**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 25 02:59:57 2011 May 25 02:59:58 OH NO, I'M NOT ORANGE! I'm some charcoal color that makes me look like I'm a bot :P May 25 03:00:17 sugardave: you're BLACK. May 25 03:00:57 ...i thought that was like, accusing someone of being a witch, where immediately something terrible would happen to you or me May 25 03:01:00 i guess not. May 25 03:11:23 * PatrickC is finally home!!!! :D May 25 03:20:56 night all May 25 03:21:16 tomorrow.. I'll probably start Eloquint :) May 25 03:21:25 Eloquint? May 25 03:21:48 Eloquent JS* May 25 03:22:51 before I can start on my next app, I need to actually know JS May 25 03:22:59 and not just use snippits.. :) May 25 03:23:10 heh May 25 03:23:25 In other news: Holy moley the Aerobie Aeropress is amazing May 25 03:23:59 so, before I start on my app (which already has the alpha UI) I need to actually learn JS May 25 03:24:12 I'll go to you, SineOt, with questions ;) May 25 03:24:26 MUAHAHAHAHA May 25 03:24:58 and sugardave will be second in line, for all my Mojo/UI related questions :) May 25 03:25:13 heh May 25 03:25:20 sugardave: you drink coffee much? May 25 03:25:22 * halfhalo has suddenly forgotten everything May 25 03:25:49 SineOt: interestingly, my wife and I just started drinking a cup of coffee about every night after dinner about 6 weeks ago May 25 03:25:51 and I'll go to halfhalo to find out what car gets the worst gas mileage :P May 25 03:25:56 before that not so much May 25 03:26:03 I like it, though May 25 03:26:07 sugardave: oh man, let me rant at you about this coffee press :O May 25 03:26:14 we got a press! May 25 03:26:21 this is better than what you have! May 25 03:26:25 just a regular simple one that does about 3 large cups May 25 03:26:47 french press style, no? May 25 03:26:50 yeah May 25 03:27:26 man... then you should upgrade to the Aeropress XD May 25 03:27:36 makes stuff way smoother than our old french press did May 25 03:27:55 I'm seriously blown away right now at how good the espresso shots turned otu May 25 03:28:23 this random perv is IM'ing me... May 25 03:28:26 * halfhalo is weird... he doesn't like coffee. Or chocolate May 25 03:29:29 I normally water my coffee down with a lot of milk, but... I might change that now May 25 03:29:30 SineOt: interesting, we have to let ours steep for 5 minutes or so before pressing it May 25 03:29:49 yeah this made some of the best espresso I've managed to do at home in the span of like, 20 seconds May 25 03:30:57 they are wanting me to watch them on their webcam... :/ May 25 03:31:03 * PatrickC hides in the corner May 25 03:31:49 that's uh, probably a bot... you realize that right May 25 03:31:51 watch them do what? lip-sync badly to Lady GaGa songs or something? May 25 03:32:06 and ifs its not a bot, well, then welcome to the internet May 25 03:32:07 its on AIM.. so probably.. May 25 03:32:31 9/10 out of ten it's just a bot that feeds you a link to a webcam paysite to try to get you to pay and sign up May 25 03:32:32 bag of holding should be here on thursday May 25 03:32:34 I get it all the time on MSN May 25 03:32:49 I'm gonna sign out of AIM May 25 03:33:09 and of course, when I click "Block" in webOS.. it doesn't :/ May 25 03:33:43 its gotta be a bot.. I threatened with the police, said I'm "under 18" and said no May 25 03:33:58 why'd you even bother responding May 25 03:34:24 I didn't think of it being a bot May 25 03:35:07 m-fin' bots, HOW DO THEY WORK?!?! May 25 03:35:32 they are make by sugardave's all over the world :P May 25 03:35:43 interesting... my dark knight rip is showing up to be 7 hours long on my computer... dangnabbit I wanted to watch it right now as well May 25 03:37:11 well, I'm really off to bed now :) May 25 03:37:12 night May 25 03:37:25 gotta get sleep to learn my JS tomorrow May 25 03:37:36 sleep on the books May 25 03:37:43 lol May 25 03:37:56 * PatrickC has the zip with HTML :) May 25 03:42:25 hai jordan May 25 03:43:08 oh, hi mark May 25 03:43:58 Y U NO CALL HIM DAVE May 25 03:44:14 It's just a room reference. May 25 03:45:01 omnomnom May 25 03:45:03 sup dave. May 25 03:45:13 fixin' Mojo apps May 25 03:45:26 Haha, mojo.... May 25 03:46:26 this one was easy May 25 03:46:26 this, JS is all about the this. May 25 03:46:43 * halfhalo busts out the vb May 25 03:46:49 boo May 25 03:48:04 My new manager introduced me to the team as a "troubleshooting ninja"...no pressure or anything :D May 25 03:48:12 grock 'this' and functions as first class objects and your good. May 25 03:49:18 Adora! May 25 03:49:24 OH SHIT May 25 03:49:27 OH GOD May 25 03:49:31 haha May 25 03:49:34 :( May 25 03:50:18 I'm still here, Adora... May 25 03:50:29 Oh, Adora. I may or may not have a physical version of that app. May 25 03:50:34 hahaha May 25 03:51:01 Goddamnit! May 25 03:51:09 ack! May 25 03:51:13 you are everywhere! May 25 03:51:17 Oh, Adora. I may or may not have a physical version of that app. May 25 03:51:37 * Adora raises an eyebrow at halfhalo May 25 03:51:41 physical? May 25 03:52:01 the app has gained consciousness and form May 25 03:52:03 maybe May 25 03:52:19 Well, I will have one. For the touchpad event. Because it will make me lol inside May 25 03:53:00 * halfhalo needs to cut a round piece of wood tomorrow May 25 03:53:02 I will pay you in American Dollars if you make one for me May 25 03:53:19 physical as in you can .. Touch it! ha May 25 03:53:27 hear now, let's keep this place PG-13, ok? May 25 03:53:52 fine May 25 03:54:46 OK SO May 25 03:54:51 who's making my Instapaper app? May 25 03:54:55 this is important. May 25 03:54:58 me May 25 03:55:19 ryanwatkins: for srs? May 25 03:55:46 yes, srs May 25 03:56:22 and it will be big and beautiful with great tumblr integration? May 25 04:01:06 it will be big - 1024x768 big :) May 25 04:01:26 currently scales down to 320x480 too. May 25 04:01:37 poor Pixis May 25 04:01:44 and Veers May 25 04:01:46 :P May 25 04:02:03 i'll get right on that when they run 3.0. :) May 25 04:02:08 heh May 25 04:02:21 Haha May 25 04:02:23 Veer... May 25 04:02:48 oh Adora: Aerobie Aeropress = best coffee ever May 25 04:07:37 SineOt: I've never had aeropress May 25 04:08:24 I have a big fancy drip maker, a bialetti which I do love, but I love crema more so Dieter kindly bought me an espresso machine (forget the brand) May 25 04:08:35 or perhaps it was a curse, not sure May 25 04:08:41 I have been drinking much more coffee now =] May 25 04:11:50 * halfhalo grumbles at the fact that none of his movies work natively on his phone May 25 04:14:54 okay, Textual is awesome. May 25 04:15:28 IGNTNUNLMTD: ikr?? May 25 04:15:46 I wish it did channels at the top, mIRC style May 25 04:16:13 I'm used to Colloquy so this works for me May 25 04:16:22 man, I miss mIRC May 25 04:16:26 can't believe I put off buying it though May 25 04:16:59 Adora: we got one earlier, and man..! I've been making coffee with it all night May 25 04:17:09 I'm in looooovvvveeeee May 25 04:17:47 my Textual theme is even more awesome IGNTNUNLMTD! May 25 04:19:39 oh? May 25 04:19:46 whatchu got? May 25 04:27:25 SineOt: tell me about this theme of yours May 25 04:27:32 and why I should want to use it May 25 04:27:33 :P May 25 04:31:06 You ever use Reeder, IGNTNUNLMTD? May 25 04:31:18 no, enlighten me! May 25 04:32:04 its a second wednesday again, where's our new drop? :) May 25 04:32:15 Ah! Sample: http://www.cl.ly/0x0Y1K3I3U0Q2M3D1z0c Download: http://www.cl.ly/3d082W0m201j0t1Z3A1X May 25 04:32:36 ah, that's very colloquy May 25 04:32:47 are themes for this just CSS/HTML? May 25 04:32:53 And Reeder: http://reederapp.com/ May 25 04:32:55 Yup May 25 04:33:06 ah then I'll just build my own! :) May 25 04:33:27 that site for Reeder May 25 04:33:31 is SO well designed May 25 04:33:36 what a work of art May 25 04:33:41 Yup, Reeder itself is way well designed May 25 04:33:50 If you go to their Blog they have a beta of the Mac version May 25 04:33:53 pity it's not on webOS May 25 04:34:08 I want a cross-platform RSS solution May 25 04:34:24 what do you use on webOS? May 25 04:34:28 It's called Google Reader! May 25 04:35:24 I got that much :) but what webOS app? May 25 04:35:34 I just user FeedReader right now May 25 04:35:35 simple May 25 04:35:37 I was looking at Feeder, I think? May 25 04:35:38 gets the job done May 25 04:35:40 Can't remember. May 25 04:35:48 that does Google Reader? May 25 04:35:54 I think so. May 25 04:35:59 ah nice May 25 04:36:15 I don't really do RSS mobile right now. I follow a ton of art blogs so you lose something viewing them on a tiny tiny screen May 25 04:37:24 feeder is well designed May 25 04:37:32 IIRC all of Semicolon Apps stuff is May 25 04:37:45 'Course, with a Touchpad that would probably change May 25 04:39:10 my god I can't wait May 25 04:39:37 you hear that, Adora? TAKE MY MONEY... I WANT A TOUCHPAD and ALL of the accessories on launch day! May 25 04:39:46 Yeah. We've been looking at a bunch of tablets lately. May 25 04:39:55 Nothing really comes close to touching the iPad (yet) May 25 04:40:10 so hopefully with the TouchPad there can be some real, honest competition May 25 04:40:48 The only thing that really comes close in my mind is the EEE Pad Transformer and that's really only in price May 25 04:41:08 like all of webOS it just seems to have a certain degree of quality that the Android pads lack May 25 04:41:35 Yeah. And even if they have that quality, they can't match anywhere near on price May 25 04:42:10 It's like in terms of build quality, the Xoom is pretty awesome. Too bad that it starts off at 100$ more than the iPad 2, so... Just get an iPad 2! May 25 04:43:15 my view on the Xoom was... "$800 to be a beta tester? yeah, BS." May 25 04:43:42 same goes for the Playbook, but unfinished-ness is the first of many of its problems May 25 04:43:44 The 599 WiFi is better, but even then, it's still more than the iPad 2 for really nothing "extra" but running Android May 25 04:44:05 I hope the TouchPad doesn't come with "unfinished" features May 25 04:44:12 Like what? May 25 04:44:32 like... Not having an email client? lol May 25 04:44:35 well like how the PB didn't come with native email, messaging, or video chat May 25 04:44:38 yeah ahahahah May 25 04:44:53 I don't think that's really something to worry about May 25 04:44:54 my point EXACTLY May 25 04:44:57 I know May 25 04:45:26 I saw/was blown away by the Enyo email proof-of-concept first hand back in NYC in November May 25 04:45:38 I trust HP/Palm to do it right May 25 04:45:48 I just wish all the haters would May 25 04:46:02 RIM is basically a burning boat at this point May 25 04:46:15 well they deserve it May 25 04:46:27 I got to use the Torch at work 2 months before launch May 25 04:46:31 i think the core framework with a UI that adapts to resolutions is key, but given how much they need to rewrite I'm sure there will be a bunch of missing features initially. May 25 04:46:37 complete with its big red "NDA" label May 25 04:47:06 and I was like, this seems pretty solid and will be good once they speed it up for the launch... May 25 04:47:15 ...they never sped it up. May 25 04:47:25 People complain of Android fragmenting, but then here you go with RIM, the only company in charge of Blackberry, throwing out 3 different OS targets with completely different targets for development and a hugely dev unfriendly process to sign up for it May 25 04:47:44 sounds alot like Nokia. May 25 04:48:30 the dev process for the PlayBook is HORRIFYING May 25 04:48:48 I know multiple people who have attempted to cross through the red tape jungle to start developing May 25 04:49:32 and all failed. May 25 04:49:51 ouch May 25 04:50:45 and now RIM is rumored to be bringing BBM to other platforms May 25 04:50:58 and that would basically shoot themselves in the foot so hard May 25 04:51:42 because really, why buy a BB any more? May 25 05:28:22 sup webOS lovers May 25 05:41:08 dkirker: dammit, my veer battery is dead! May 25 05:41:12 so I can't test that wallpaper May 25 05:41:27 get more veers May 25 05:41:28 you should be working on Universe, anyway =] May 25 05:41:30 or bugs May 25 05:41:31 Adora: :( May 25 05:41:42 you have like... 50 touchstones! :P May 25 05:42:05 or maybe it was more like 50 billion... :o May 25 05:42:35 Good morning May 25 05:42:40 Actually! Actually! After some other work, I am going to do some Universe work. I have some great ideas, and some suggestions from another developer. May 25 05:42:44 Good morning hotdp May 25 05:43:17 oh, dkirker! Downloads scene: unlock rotation so that it can twist with the device! May 25 05:43:45 when you have rotation lock enabled in browsing mode? May 25 05:44:33 oh, hm. What ever version I pulled from Github locks the download scene to proper top only rotation May 25 05:44:49 ah May 25 05:45:02 I'm not sure that I ever enabled rotation in it May 25 05:45:17 it might be something to look into I guess! May 25 05:45:35 FYI, that GitHub version is a tad newer than what is in the app cat, and probably not completely feature complete. So somethings are still a work in progress. May 25 05:45:44 I'm full of beer and anpans so if I'm not making sense, sorry P: May 25 05:45:58 I need to start tagging releases... May 25 05:46:19 probably a good idea, yeah May 25 05:53:41 yeah, definitely listen to the "full of beer" guy May 25 05:53:46 that's always a good plan May 25 05:54:14 yup May 25 05:55:01 * dkirker is drinking a beer as well May 25 05:55:02 I'm watching Hamlet! At least I'm being intellectual! May 25 05:55:27 intel^&#$*@.... zzzzzzzzzzzzz.......... *drool* May 25 05:55:34 ? May 25 05:55:51 alcohol puts me to sleep May 25 05:56:03 * ryanwatkins dislikes APIs that return 403: "Not Logged In" when you are logged in but forget an API param. May 25 05:56:42 dkirker: yeah I'm crashing pretty hard, want to sleep super bad May 25 06:10:27 sleep, meh May 25 06:10:51 nighty May 25 06:27:55 I really should patch those jeans... But I'm so tipsy ;_; May 25 06:29:26 haha May 25 06:29:35 drunk sewing... what could possibly go wrong? May 25 06:30:13 awesomeness, that's what May 25 06:30:29 you could film it like the drunk cooking show May 25 06:31:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLYxeJjxc8s May 25 06:31:13 I'm actually using a heat set adhesive, but I need to cut up a pair of jeans to get some donor denim to patch with May 25 06:31:51 ahahaha May 25 06:41:31 * oil is pretty bored May 25 06:41:42 do some drugs May 25 06:42:01 you know, this is the latest I have been up in a long time... gah May 25 06:42:15 11:41? May 25 06:42:18 wow May 25 06:42:32 I am a complete morning person May 25 06:42:42 Up by like 7 every day May 25 06:42:49 ew May 25 06:42:59 * oil hates the morning May 25 06:44:59 i would completely skip it if i could May 25 06:45:15 i usually do on the weekends May 25 06:45:32 but honestly, im just glad i dont have to go in for jury duty tomorrow May 25 06:47:00 i went in there on monday, spent half the day waiting and getting picked May 25 06:47:13 How does one respond to somebody asking for help in another language? May 25 06:47:30 come back after lunch to do it, and wait around for another 4 hours May 25 06:47:36 and dude settles May 25 06:47:38 no case, go home May 25 06:47:39 bastards May 25 06:47:45 google translated "I don't speak Language" May 25 06:47:59 dkirker: thats only happened to me once, and i google translated his messages and my messages back May 25 06:48:07 apologizing for the machine translation problems May 25 06:48:14 yeah, I might have to do that May 25 06:48:34 there is only so much you can do, and im sure they will understand the machine translation even if its crappy May 25 06:48:45 I could ask my German friend May 25 06:48:57 where is swisstomcat when you need him? May 25 06:49:14 just learn german :D May 25 06:49:19 I'd like to May 25 06:49:24 but I don't have the time... May 25 06:49:25 "let me get back to you in a year: May 25 06:50:04 and even then, it probably wont be as good as google xD May 25 06:50:21 dkirker: I usually ask a friend, unless it's in some obscure language, then I translate "Sorry, I only speak English" using Google translate. May 25 06:50:54 or send back "learn english" May 25 06:50:56 heh May 25 06:51:03 >.< May 25 06:53:04 well, most german people should at least understand simple written english May 25 06:53:57 * dkirker will bug his German friends May 25 06:57:45 heh May 25 06:58:12 beers beers beers May 25 06:58:17 haha May 25 07:01:10 oil: was I the guy for whom you used Google for translation? May 25 07:01:23 lol, no May 25 07:01:57 heh, one thing I just remembered - we have to get halfhalo to stop google spidering webaws.com May 25 07:02:04 australian doesn't seem to be an option May 25 07:02:20 wait, its being spidered? May 25 07:02:35 robots.txt! May 25 07:02:53 google "webos_2_upgrade" and it's the second hit May 25 07:04:07 not going to lie, thats pretty funny. And I'll fake the robots.txt tomorrow morning May 25 07:04:46 oil: i can german? May 25 07:04:59 dkirker is looking for someone to translate May 25 07:05:06 messages to someone asking for help May 25 07:05:22 universe? May 25 07:05:47 rwhitby: HAHA! That is pretty damn funny. :P May 25 07:06:11 who puts underscores in their google search though May 25 07:06:12 nobody May 25 07:06:26 dkirker: just reply "Schuld Öl" May 25 07:09:39 * rwhitby bbl May 25 07:13:36 damn whys P|C gotta give me a Xperia Play ad, my craving for a toy is being.. intrigued.. May 25 07:53:13 bah.. there's always got to be a way to fix problems short of doctoring.. :( May 25 11:41:45 woot has a samsung galaxy tab for $259 or so May 25 14:52:55 morning May 25 14:56:20 HEY PatrickC May 25 14:57:51 hey cwayne! May 25 14:58:11 sappenin May 25 15:00:33 huh? lol May 25 15:01:35 sappenin == what's happenin May 25 15:01:59 ah lol May 25 15:02:05 nm.. just tired :P May 25 15:02:15 and gonna start learning JS today :) May 25 15:09:23 Tibfib_uk: enjoying the UK? May 25 15:12:42 PatrickC: yeah it's nice! May 25 15:13:49 awesome! May 25 15:13:54 morning May 25 15:14:04 hey sugardave May 25 15:31:34 oh, learnin js eh? May 25 15:32:56 yep May 25 15:33:02 Eloquent JS May 25 15:33:12 ^ is gonna be my teacher :) May 25 15:37:55 good luck May 25 15:39:41 isn't that one of the books to read to once you know js? May 25 15:39:43 thanks May 25 15:39:56 no, its a book to use to learn js May 25 15:40:35 ah yeah, looks like it May 25 15:43:24 keith: finally joined ampache :) May 25 16:02:27 sugardave: ping May 25 16:04:33 hotdp: pong May 25 16:04:41 pm May 25 16:04:42 erg, is Twitter's web app being SLOW for anyone else? May 25 16:07:03 sugardave: it always is May 25 16:08:05 dohtem: well, a month or so ago, it wouldn't scroll at all, and they changed something and it cleared up...it's doing it again May 25 16:09:11 lately I get a blank screen, sometimes only the header will load. I have to reload the page to see anything May 25 16:09:55 its all those damn client apps screwing it up May 25 16:10:17 twitter apps = DOS attack May 25 16:10:31 lol May 25 16:10:36 :P May 25 16:12:04 http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/ -- anyone make one? May 25 16:12:49 haha May 25 16:13:12 been on my todo list for a while now :) May 25 16:13:24 the finished product looks like a bear turd May 25 16:13:40 SCREW YOU HIPPIE! May 25 16:13:45 lol May 25 16:13:48 :) May 25 16:13:50 lol May 25 16:13:53 im sure its delicious May 25 16:13:59 it just doesnt look appealing May 25 16:14:25 oil's just a hater May 25 16:14:41 psh May 25 16:15:47 dohtem: I don't mind how it looks, it must be delicious, of course, with each bite you'll feel your arteries clogging, but wth ;) May 25 16:18:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_Explosion May 25 16:18:43 "The bacon explosion served by candlelight" lol May 25 16:19:06 im tempted to edit the wikipedia article with s/Bacon Explosion/Bear Turd/g May 25 16:19:23 lol May 25 16:19:46 my school's IP address is blocked from editing wikipedia because of people doing stuff like that May 25 16:20:13 heh May 25 16:20:16 haha, kids May 25 16:20:26 kids? it was the teachers! May 25 16:20:34 hah May 25 16:20:44 heh May 25 16:20:51 the best part is wikipedia records all the edits made by an IP addresss so I saw read through them May 25 16:21:43 "And then George Washington said 'Mrs garrison is a bitch'" May 25 16:21:51 exactly May 25 16:21:54 heh May 25 16:21:54 hahaha May 25 16:22:01 "I'm soooo bored.. this class sucksksksksksk" May 25 16:22:45 "I wish my girlfriend sucked as much as this class" May 25 16:22:52 haha May 25 16:23:57 lol May 25 16:30:32 everytime I pay comcast, I fire up bittorrent to "make it count" :( May 25 16:35:03 heh May 25 16:39:52 every time i pay charter I'm glad they're not comcast May 25 16:56:47 grr.. precentral is reporting on something that I found out a month or so ago, and giving someone else credit!! May 25 16:56:57 * PatrickC is mad >:( May 25 16:58:05 you should had reported it there :( May 25 16:58:10 or on your blog May 25 16:59:11 I reported it in the forums and my blog May 25 16:59:14 here's the blog post: http://awesomeappreviews.x10.bz/?p=160 May 25 17:02:08 here's the thread: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/281287-running-2-x-apps-1-4-5-a.html May 25 17:04:15 grrrr... and I also found out that other apps from 2.x can be installed on 1.4.5!! did Alex?? May 25 17:04:35 Then, slap "Adam Marks" May 25 17:04:58 I just left a comment.. I'll probably email them too.. this is stupid.. May 25 17:05:12 I have more then "Alex" has.. May 25 17:07:51 * PatrickC just "tipped" P|C May 25 17:10:35 * NuttyBunny gives PatrickC a ruler May 25 17:12:07 dohtem: I'm going to make a bacon explosion later this summer May 25 17:12:16 huh? lol May 25 17:12:34 http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/ May 25 17:13:18 me 2.. hehehe May 25 17:13:21 NuttyBunny: lolololol May 25 17:13:40 :D May 25 17:13:58 high cholesterol for everyone! May 25 17:14:20 haha May 25 17:14:38 they used to have a cholesterol warning on that page May 25 17:14:43 lol May 25 17:14:53 "Do not eat if you're a fatass" or something to that effect. May 25 17:15:07 #500FootBinLaden U.S. calls for monster-management pros: English-dubbed Japanese forces agree to deploy. May 25 17:15:10 IGNTNUNLMTD: Or an American. May 25 17:15:12 P|C just lost all my respect... :/ May 25 17:15:30 or that, Hendikins May 25 17:15:36 what do you mean PatrickC? May 25 17:15:38 Hendikins: haha May 25 17:15:55 I mean, they lost mine ages ago, but still May 25 17:15:56 IGNTNUNLMTD: I reported this: http://www.precentral.net/install-webos-2-1-app-catalog-webos-1-4-5-and-2-0-1-phones-not-you-too-can-use-promo-codes May 25 17:16:07 a month ago in my blog and on the forumsa May 25 17:16:26 and I got the SW manager working on 1.4.5 as well... and "Alex" gets the credit?! May 25 17:18:01 UPDATE: Giant Bin Laden Destroys New York, Washington http://onion.com/jRhtqy #500FootBinLaden May 25 17:18:03 here's the topic I started in *april* http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/281287-running-2-x-apps-1-4-5-a.html May 25 17:18:10 NuttyBunny: haha May 25 17:18:48 lol, credit: important business May 25 17:19:29 oil: it just makes me mad... lol.. I believe I even sent them a tip back in April too.. :/ May 25 17:19:37 oil: its just like the internet, shits serious business May 25 17:19:55 shouldn't have posted your thread in the palm pre forum, I would have put that in the development forum May 25 17:19:59 but hey, thats just me May 25 17:20:26 I also got farther the "alex" did.. I got the SW manager working too May 25 17:20:40 * oil sees "palm pre" device forum as the "end-users" forum May 25 17:20:42 and I'm working on getting things like "Accounts" and "Agenda View" May 25 17:21:32 though, i rarely browse precentrals forums May 25 17:21:47 yeah. but I tipped them too... (iirc) May 25 17:22:19 oh, i dont know how that goes May 25 17:22:19 oil: Oddly enough, I do consider credit to be important business (then again, one of the things I do with my free time is photography...) May 25 17:22:53 Hendikins: it was meant as a joke :) May 25 17:23:01 lol May 25 17:23:09 oil: I'm too used to it not being one. May 25 17:23:15 do P|C writers visit here? May 25 17:23:18 in that, i doubt anyone noticed "alex" submitted it besides patric May 25 17:23:28 only because he thinks he should have had credit for it May 25 17:23:31 :) May 25 17:23:36 NuttyBunny saw it too :) May 25 17:23:43 yep May 25 17:23:53 I saw that and asked PatrickC if that was his work May 25 17:23:55 and most people think that "Alex" is the first to find this May 25 17:24:08 lol May 25 17:24:24 so, if you thought "Alex" was the first to do it, why would you question it? May 25 17:24:33 brb restarting f-ed up mac May 25 17:24:47 here's a funny comment: May 25 17:24:47 yes!! I can finally download wifi media sync for free on my pre running 1.4.5 May 25 17:24:52 and people from pc dont frequent #webos May 25 17:24:57 PatrickC: but what does it matter who found it May 25 17:25:04 ^^ "Backup erase" :) May 25 17:25:10 i think i've seen deiter a few times when he was looking for help, and keith a few times, but thats it May 25 17:25:27 cwayne: because, I want people to see that I'm not just a 15 yr old who thinks webOS is "cool" May 25 17:25:46 I want them to see I mean business like oil, NuttyBunny, rwhitby, etc. May 25 17:26:05 * oil doesnt mean business May 25 17:26:15 lol May 25 17:26:29 * NuttyBunny wants his own business May 25 17:26:43 rwhitby handles all that stuff May 25 17:26:44 oil: you did wIRC.. let me take the credit for that :) and we'll see what happens :;) May 25 17:27:09 * oil starts forwarding wirc support emails to patrick May 25 17:27:18 * halfhalo fires up the bulk mailer May 25 17:27:29 lol May 25 17:27:35 are they stupid ones? :P May 25 17:27:51 those I can handle, the ones I can't are the real support ones :) May 25 17:28:13 * halfhalo should point out they are one and the same May 25 17:29:08 I'm a firm believer that there is no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid people. Then again, I've had a customer facing job for the last few years. May 25 17:29:37 * NuttyBunny points PatrickC at the 2.1 Pixi thread... expect something similar... 2 useful mails, buried into a haystack of 300 useless and stupid ones May 25 17:31:05 Ok, I hate this stupid thing right now May 25 17:31:19 stupid what thing? May 25 17:32:09 trying to get a lightbox thing to work properly. Theres a form in it that can be expanded using jquery and hidden, except when toggled close its triggering scroll bars in the lightbox. but only in chrome May 25 17:35:25 argh.. brb... gotta dual-boot to windows... for the first time this month :@ May 25 17:35:27 * PatrickC doesn't understand that yet :) May 25 17:35:36 ohno.. cya nuttybunny May 25 17:35:45 bbl... gotta go mow :) May 25 17:35:54 ok, go moo May 25 17:35:54 ;) May 25 17:36:39 hehe May 25 17:36:58 * PatrickC will check P|C when he gets back :) May 25 17:37:12 not NuttyBunny_Pixi2? :) May 25 17:37:54 Nah, I haven't put Preware in the Pixi yet May 25 17:38:17 hehe May 25 17:38:18 bbl May 25 17:52:44 grrr... and in the end, I didn't even had the need to boot windows... the server was blocking my ip... Freetether saves the day!! Thanks PuffTheMagic :) May 25 17:56:04 FreeTether saves me from the tyrannical clutches of VZW May 25 18:07:12 So wait, Palm retweets the app crate thing... But I thought you couldn't sell apps outside of the catalog per the terms of the dev agreement? P: May 25 18:17:18 SineOt: that is weird May 25 18:17:25 but i do think the app crate thing is a good idea May 25 18:18:30 it's good idea, yeah, but it's just kind of dumb to see people saying PHNX can't sell outside of the catalog to get the app to those in unsupported countries, then have the official Palm twitter retweeting... A project that's selling apps outside of the catalog May 25 18:24:17 the apps are being promoed May 25 18:26:21 so they're limited to what... 1000 sales? May 25 18:26:31 twitter apps not working... May 25 18:28:28 1k is the promo code limit? May 25 18:28:39 oil: per year May 25 18:28:42 I think May 25 18:28:46 I think it's 1000 codes per major version May 25 18:28:54 per version May 25 18:28:57 hm May 25 18:29:11 release a major version every week, what's the problem? ;) May 25 18:29:23 what's the major version number limit? May 25 18:29:31 I don't know, really! May 25 18:29:36 it's over 9000 May 25 18:29:55 (I don't really know) May 25 18:30:04 heh May 25 18:30:06 I know you can go out to the hundreds May 25 18:30:13 so maybe 999.999.999 is the max? May 25 18:32:11 cool :D May 25 18:33:35 I'm curious what the max is now May 25 18:33:39 heh May 25 18:34:11 one million billion May 25 18:34:50 and one May 25 18:42:57 It'd be cool to see something like The Heist iPhone app on webOS May 25 18:47:02 make it May 25 18:48:31 Provide me with some promo codes to give away when it's completed! May 25 18:58:20 Aaaand... here we go... May 25 18:58:44 ah May 25 18:59:08 :D May 25 18:59:39 Hey NuttyBunny_Pixi May 25 18:59:49 yeah!! May 25 19:01:01 I don't know if this will work for my mom... the battery lasts more than on te Pre... but nota lona enough... May 25 19:01:25 Extended Battery!! :) May 25 19:01:40 argh.. stupid Telcel May 25 19:01:45 lost connection May 25 19:02:55 and... of course, wIRC won't connect again :S May 25 19:03:05 that means its wircing May 25 19:03:07 second time :) May 25 19:07:14 Man, UFF UFF. Job interview tonight. Stressin' kind of. May 25 19:08:17 night? May 25 19:08:21 Apple Store Retail. P: May 25 19:08:40 http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/tweetdeck-and-twitter-together-at-at-last/ May 25 19:08:44 Yeah. They run things kind of weird. Do seminar type things with group projects then review that to do call back 1 on 1 stuff May 25 19:08:51 You are going to be a genius? May 25 19:09:09 I think it's for standard specialist stuff right now May 25 19:10:03 SineOt: And of course you'll point the users the right way... to a webOS device? May 25 19:10:15 show them the light! May 25 19:10:21 Ahaha. Maybe. Maybe. May 25 19:10:22 (apps not available in the light) May 25 19:11:52 SineOt: and give me a discount? right? :) May 25 19:12:06 Pfft, no. May 25 19:12:14 haha May 25 19:12:15 You get 3 family and friends discounts a year. May 25 19:12:29 ... And one killer 25% off once a year discount too, apparently. May 25 19:12:31 hmm. we are family here ;) May 25 19:12:51 As crappy as it sounds, I've got better friends and family! XD May 25 19:12:58 SineOt: you mean, only 5 discounted purchases/year? May 25 19:13:06 err, 4 May 25 19:13:17 There's a year round discount too, apparently, but it's smaller. May 25 19:15:36 let's see if nDrive works here :D May 25 19:16:57 my phone doesn't have enough GPS oomph to bother even thinking about nDrive *sigh* May 25 19:17:35 good luck SineOt May 25 19:17:43 RagingMind: activated phone? May 25 19:17:52 dohtem: thanks May 25 19:18:00 PatrickC, I only have one, and it's my main phone, so yes May 25 19:18:25 The pay is pretty awesome... My girlfriend's sister works as a store lead for Disney and makes 11.50 an hour, and I think this starts off at like... 12.50 :I May 25 19:18:31 then you have plenty I would think, I get a fix almost instantly on my Pre- sprint May 25 19:18:52 radingmind: http://beta.ndrive.com May 25 19:18:59 If I had to guess, it's a Verizon device May 25 19:19:02 I'm sure you heard of verizon Pre+? :-P May 25 19:19:10 In which case... GOOD LUCK May 25 19:19:10 SineOt ftw May 25 19:19:17 haha May 25 19:20:41 it workes :D May 25 19:20:44 Verizon might as well not have GPS at all May 25 19:21:20 SineOt, it's not quite that bad... I've worked it to where I know I can eventually get a fix May 25 19:21:34 it's either 5-10 minutes, or a reboot THEN another 5-10 minutes May 25 19:21:49 I don't know, my gf's is pretty bad. We've left it going for about 30 minutes before and it won't fix May 25 19:22:03 Or it'll think it has a fix, but in reality, it's a fix that it picked up a few weeks ago May 25 19:22:25 it's great... if you need to figure out where you were two weeks ago May 25 19:25:28 Adora!! May 25 19:25:36 not again May 25 19:25:41 DUNDUNDUN May 25 19:25:43 lol May 25 19:26:38 Why is it that the touchpad dev event (first one) is at the same time as e3... this makes me a sad panda May 25 19:32:08 * PatrickC just emailed Apple.. May 25 19:32:50 are you leaving us? like SineOt? May 25 19:32:59 nope :) May 25 19:33:00 couple of traitors May 25 19:33:06 Leaving? Pfft May 25 19:33:11 He just wants discounts on hardware May 25 19:33:23 contacted them asking if they do anything special for non-profits May 25 19:33:37 ha! May 25 19:33:58 hey, they might. May 25 19:34:05 lulz May 25 19:34:11 apple might have a warm spot in that big, cold heart May 25 19:34:34 the warm spot got bitten from the logo May 25 19:34:39 winphone next May 25 19:34:53 lulz x2 May 25 19:35:32 I'm a happy webOS camper May 25 19:35:50 yeah I'm not going anywhere May 25 19:35:52 they're the perfect definition of "Microcomputer" May 25 19:36:14 I am too.. but... the people I'm doing this app for is non-profit, and wants it everywhere :) May 25 19:36:40 a completely open system does appeal to me, but other than the stuff that nokia is abandoning.. May 25 19:37:01 brb May 25 19:37:45 ok May 25 19:39:25 SineOt: still on 1.4.5? May 25 19:39:51 my main phone is rockin 145 May 25 19:39:56 I need someone on a 1.4.5 pixi May 25 19:39:59 hm? May 25 19:40:05 what else would I be on :I May 25 19:40:09 my pixi is on 2.x though LOL May 25 19:40:20 NuttyBunny has 2.1 on his Pixi :) May 25 19:40:24 oil: hehehe May 25 19:40:26 haha May 25 19:40:31 * oil was joking May 25 19:40:38 I do :D May 25 19:40:52 SineOt: can you visit here: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2972876&posted=1#post2972876 May 25 19:40:57 and it works... ... ... let's just say, it works :) May 25 19:41:00 and verify that it works on the Pixi? May 25 19:41:04 Pixi+ May 25 19:43:36 link it to me later May 25 19:44:47 ok May 25 19:45:41 nuttybunny.wordpress.com , it's easier ;) May 25 19:47:10 * oil visits May 25 19:48:20 * NuttyBunny checks the stats May 25 19:48:30 f5 f5 f5 May 25 19:50:32 806 views, nice :D May 25 19:51:24 heh May 25 19:52:33 has anyone tried stripping debugging info from the webOS binaries? do they that info? May 25 19:52:42 **have** May 25 19:53:36 * PatrickC is making a patch May 25 19:54:17 PatrickC: i have a palm pre plus in my hand May 25 19:54:26 1.4.5? May 25 19:54:28 first of all, this keyboard is an abomination May 25 19:54:43 whoever thought it was a good idea to put a keyboard this small on anything is dumb May 25 19:55:18 is twitter broken? May 25 19:55:21 and i don't know if it's 1.4.5 May 25 19:55:36 Palm Pixi:/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.rovio.angrybirds# ./angrybirds May 25 19:55:36 Illegal instruction May 25 19:55:37 i haven't gotten past the sign in screen, i just SIM unlocked it and i'm gonna send it to my friend :D May 25 19:55:40 bah May 25 19:55:41 go into "device info" May 25 19:55:48 read above :P May 25 19:55:53 i'm not signing in, it's not my phone May 25 19:55:57 haha May 25 19:56:09 click the little phone and hit call customer service May 25 19:56:16 then click "add a call" May 25 19:56:46 mmk May 25 19:56:53 lol, it had 611 saved in the contacts as ATT May 25 19:57:04 so it dialed ATT and i got t-mo customer service :D May 25 19:57:08 haeffb_pre: twitter web was really slow for me earlier, but I think I just had too long a scroll bar or something, closed the tab and now it's working again May 25 19:57:11 silly pre May 25 19:57:13 haeffb_pre: you're the second person I see saying that today May 25 19:57:31 PatrickC: dammit, without a SIM in it i can't do anything May 25 19:57:36 maybe it's because of #500FootBinLaden May 25 19:57:39 god this phone is useless >.< May 25 19:57:42 Tommy: the keybord predates android, iphone and all other smartphones May 25 19:58:00 haeffb_pre: no, it doesn't. the G1 was out before the Pre was May 25 19:58:01 NuttyBunny: I was the other person too May 25 19:58:14 treo 600 May 25 19:58:18 Tommy: it won't let you hit "add a call"? May 25 19:58:18 haeffb_pre: I don't think you're "@yannago" ;) May 25 19:58:30 PatrickC: not with no SIM, it just tells me how to insert the SIM with a diagram May 25 19:58:37 grr May 25 19:58:44 oh well. my mission is accomplished May 25 19:58:46 and possibly some handspring products prior to that May 25 19:58:47 i got him the phone and got it unlocked May 25 19:58:50 does a dialpad come up when you try to call customer service? May 25 19:58:52 Mines not May 25 19:58:53 the keyboard does, in fact, pre-date all mobile phones May 25 19:58:55 ever May 25 19:58:55 * halfhalo gets the shovel May 25 19:58:58 halfhalo: it's not the same keyboard as the treo 600 May 25 19:59:11 argh.. 3pm.. beb May 25 19:59:13 brb May 25 19:59:19 haeffb_pre gets his one right answer for the year, nice going! May 25 19:59:23 halfhalo: it's also not the same keyboard as the treo pro, or the centro May 25 19:59:30 Tommy: does a dialpad come up when you try to call customer service? May 25 19:59:41 PatrickC: it did with my SIM in it, now my SIM isn't in it, so i can't get a dial pad May 25 19:59:42 and its only June! May 25 19:59:54 sweet May 25 20:00:01 err sorry halfhalo i meant haeffb_pre on those messages May 25 20:00:48 Tommy: put your sim in again, and when the dialpad comes up, type #*3386633# in the dialpad May 25 20:02:03 PatrickC: nah i'm not worried about it, i'm more focused on calculating postage right now May 25 20:02:09 if you remove your app from the app catalog does the name become available again? May 25 20:02:20 nope May 25 20:02:24 bleh May 25 20:02:28 yeah May 25 20:02:31 we ran into that with wIRC May 25 20:03:24 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.bubbles.storageinfo May 25 20:03:31 interesting screenshots attached to that app... May 25 20:03:54 Very interesting.... May 25 20:03:59 time to use a unicode character that looks just like another from the Latin alphabet May 25 20:04:45 look like someone could get in trouble interesting... May 25 20:04:49 hmmm, is there a way to pull any kind of identifier about the phone, other than udid? May 25 20:05:00 ya, HP going to sue themselves! May 25 20:05:01 It took a while and a lot of "squeaky wheel" reminding, but Adora got them to remove its record May 25 20:05:43 heh May 25 20:06:00 lawyers on both sides would enjoy that May 25 20:06:49 lol May 25 20:08:17 with the limitation preventing you to move between free and paid, and not releasing names after removal .. that kinda puts a kink into the plans. May 25 20:09:33 dont wanna charge but want the option down the road and give those free users the paid one .. for free. May 25 20:11:15 change app id and offer a promo code? May 25 20:11:43 ya, assuming i have enough codes, but would also need to rename the app apparently May 25 20:12:16 or make it paid from day one and put all the promo codes in the app description. May 25 20:12:26 bleh May 25 20:13:38 or make a "lite" version May 25 20:14:01 ya, all just fairly awkward May 25 20:25:48 can i make a call to systemproperties to get the kind of phone? i.e. pre1 vs pre2? May 25 20:33:07 I think you only get "pre" May 25 20:34:34 * halfhalo is outta here May 25 20:35:51 cwayne: you can get deviceHeight and deviceWidth or something like that, Pre2 is different resolution than Pre and Pre + May 25 20:36:01 it is? May 25 20:36:13 I thought they were all 320x480 May 25 20:36:26 They're the same :) May 25 20:37:01 Prepare to laugh your assess off :) May 25 20:37:09 zacky59: hi, so after the update everything was running fine, than i clicked quick tests, and it said, PROBLEM: "1000: Modem" What does that mean? Also my device shut off after that and now it won't turn on... ahaha? May 25 20:37:22 ahaha? May 25 20:37:23 run some JS code, estimate execution time, then do it on the device to guess which. May 25 20:37:34 hah May 25 20:37:46 so the answer is no, there's nothing other than udid? May 25 20:38:57 http://twitter.com/#!/Zacky59 May 25 20:39:03 he looks like a 6 year old May 25 20:42:16 LOL May 25 20:42:21 hahahahahahahahaha May 25 20:42:55 I'd been wanting to bring this up in the forums but couldnt figure out a way without sounding like an ass May 25 20:45:30 And my answer: I thought it was clear, the first big paragraph in my blog post clearly states: "This is Unsupported, I won’t help you if this bricks your Pixi". May 25 20:50:08 NuttyBunny: he is stupid... don't answer him.. let him have his borked pixi May 25 20:50:43 PatrickC: I've answered him... to the forum, to let everyone know what he just did ;) May 25 20:50:51 hahahahaha May 25 20:51:18 lol May 25 20:57:24 PatrickC: supppp? May 25 20:57:36 nm May 25 20:57:47 just trying to find a Pixi 1.4.5 user May 25 20:57:47 also, lol @ the pixi in general May 25 20:57:51 wasn't that phone made for women? May 25 20:58:03 (not like the pre is very masculine, but seriously...) May 25 20:58:42 even the name... pixi... May 25 20:59:02 why don't you just go buy a princessfairydust 3000 with pink stars on the back May 25 21:00:01 thats the main feature i look for in a smartphone. does it project masculinity? May 25 21:00:03 Tommy: I had a Pixi for over a year May 25 21:00:09 SineOt has a Pixi May 25 21:00:20 its an amazing little phone May 25 21:00:26 ryanwatkins: not saying it's the #1 feature, just saying, why get the pixi over a pre May 25 21:00:29 Tommy: The little dots in the touchstone for a pixi aren't very masculine as well :) May 25 21:00:31 for the smaller screen? May 25 21:00:48 Tommy: The form factor, some people prefer the keyboard always accesible May 25 21:00:54 dont want a slider perhaps? May 25 21:00:56 because it was $50 at launch, and the pre was $150? May 25 21:01:06 lol May 25 21:01:18 if you're buying a smartphone, and price is your #1 priority, you're going to buy the wrong smartphone May 25 21:01:28 like say the bazillion people that like that form factor having come from blackberries. May 25 21:01:44 Tommy: not all of us are pre-med students who can do anything we want May 25 21:05:14 PatrickC: lol, i'm broke as hell, i just save up for my phones May 25 21:05:35 when have you ever heard of college students having tons of money to spend? i need to find me some of those May 25 21:06:26 i can honestly say, if HP came out with a phone with a qHD screen, 1+ghz dual core processor, and surrounding specs to match... i'd consider it, even with webOS May 25 21:06:35 simple, deal drugs tommy. May 25 21:06:41 i'd like a phone that could dual boot android and webOS, because i have so much invested in android (apps, etc) May 25 21:06:48 Tommy: I know many people who prefer the pixi May 25 21:07:00 i don't wanna spend another $30 on slingplayer mobile when it finally comes out for webOS May 25 21:07:01 now thats a device the public is clammoring for .. dual boot. May 25 21:07:06 aurash91: that was high school May 25 21:07:07 Tommy: my pre can dual-boot android May 25 21:07:15 PatrickC: but it doesn't work. May 25 21:07:20 you can't make a phone call from within android May 25 21:07:24 its getting better May 25 21:07:41 show me *1* android device that can dualboot webos or SHR May 25 21:07:45 the HD2 can CAPABLY boot Meego, Windows Mobile 6.5, Windows Phone 7, and Android May 25 21:07:56 all of them run nearly flawlessly, it's quite amazing for a phone you can buy for $150 May 25 21:08:15 PatrickC: webOS/SHR aren't open source, clown May 25 21:08:25 the whole reason you can dual boot android is because android allows you to May 25 21:08:38 shr is oss May 25 21:08:57 webos is built upon openembedded, which, as you can guess, is open source May 25 21:08:57 ah, well, nix that part of my statement May 25 21:09:01 webOS isn't open source May 25 21:09:18 halfhalo: right, that's like saying android is built on a linux kernel... the kernel's open source, the rest of the OS doesn't need to be May 25 21:09:24 luna is not, no, but the underpinnings are May 25 21:09:38 good luck porting a closed source OS to another piece of hardware because you have the kernel source, that works out great >.< May 25 21:09:45 Tommy: why are you even here? May 25 21:09:52 I bet if HP released a dual boot phone they'd sell like .... 7 more. May 25 21:09:52 bemjb: i <3 webOS May 25 21:10:03 bemjb: as i said.... here's a quote a few lines up... May 25 21:10:15 i can honestly say, if HP came out with a phone with a qHD screen, 1+ghz dual core processor, and surrounding specs to match... i'd consider it, even with webOS May 25 21:10:27 i'd like a phone that could dual boot android and webOS, because i have so much invested in android (apps, etc) May 25 21:10:47 bemjb: this isn't the pre-lovers club, this is about the operating system, and the operating system (especially the UI) is quite enviable May 25 21:10:53 saying "even with webOS" makes it sound like you'd get it despite the fact that it has webOS May 25 21:11:03 someone should make an android emulator for webos May 25 21:11:12 just like Playbook. not. May 25 21:11:15 bemjb: you're right, i should've said "even though it doesn't have android" May 25 21:11:15 Tommy: But Android have a couple of "stack-alike" app managers May 25 21:11:28 cards-alike I meant May 25 21:11:42 NuttyBunny: i haven't seen any that worked well :| May 25 21:11:55 trust me, the first time i saw something that mimicked the webOS UI, i snagged it May 25 21:11:59 it was average at best May 25 21:12:31 in my dream world, google purchased palm, not HP, and they made it open source and they now sell webos/android dual boot phones May 25 21:12:38 and then it becomes a wet dream, and i wake up May 25 21:12:42 lol May 25 21:12:49 why dual boot in that case? May 25 21:12:51 Tommy: Well, every OS has its flaws, and everyone embraces their OSes with equal warmth, and we all love our devices May 25 21:13:01 bemjb: or integrate the two, but my mind is too simple to imagine that May 25 21:13:09 If you want webOS, get a webOS device. If you want Android, get Android May 25 21:13:15 NuttyBunny: I WANT BOF May 25 21:13:16 there's no middle spot at the moment May 25 21:13:19 dual booting does not appeal to me May 25 21:13:24 not gonna happen May 25 21:13:28 you'll have to decide May 25 21:13:36 this is not playbook world May 25 21:13:47 Tibfib_uk: well, the win/win would be integrating the two, having a card-like UI for multitasking while maintaining the homescreens/widgets android has May 25 21:14:05 if i could just like, swipe down on my homescreen and be in a cards interface, to show all running apps May 25 21:14:11 that would be heaven May 25 21:14:13 Tommy: I don't want google ruining webOS' beauty with android's ugly May 25 21:14:32 Tibfib_uk: yeah, they'd also ruin webos' lack of development by actually getting some apps on the platform May 25 21:14:35 we wouldn't want that. May 25 21:14:43 nope May 25 21:14:56 not when there is money to be made in that lack of development May 25 21:14:57 some ugly apps nonetheless May 25 21:15:08 Tibfib_uk: not some, there are MANY ugly apps May 25 21:15:13 Tommy: Answer this: What operating system do you like the most of Android and webOS? (OS ONLY, NOT APPS) May 25 21:15:16 because i could pay $25, make hello world and put it on android market May 25 21:15:18 only one choice May 25 21:15:33 NuttyBunny: Android. that's why I chose an Android device May 25 21:15:35 Tommy: its free to do that for webos May 25 21:15:40 Tommy: I said some apps because you said some apps a few lines before :P May 25 21:15:56 Tommy: Then, why are you bashing webOS? on #webOS? I don't get it May 25 21:15:57 halfhalo: don't they need to be approved? May 25 21:16:07 kind of May 25 21:16:10 they are pretty lax May 25 21:16:14 I wish they would be more strict May 25 21:16:17 lots of trash coming on May 25 21:16:18 NuttyBunny: just because i like Android doesn't mean i don't like webOS May 25 21:16:28 it's like... i'm a mets fan, but i like the yankees May 25 21:16:36 are they rivals, sure... i hate the yankees 6 days a year, when we play them May 25 21:16:50 the rest of the time, i'm fine wearing a yankees hat or going to a game in the bronx, i like them both May 25 21:16:51 Yep, but you don't go to a Yankees game and talk trash about them! May 25 21:16:56 yes, i do. May 25 21:17:02 :P May 25 21:17:32 baseball discussion/debate = EPIC at stadiums in new york May 25 21:17:35 this is definitely a baseball town May 25 21:17:50 * Tommy sits in his bleachers seat in #webos May 25 21:18:37 And, what do you win trashtalking about the Yankees? or webOS in this case? May 25 21:18:47 do you really think HP reads this? May 25 21:19:11 sigh May 25 21:19:13 do you really think the Palm developer relations people come here on IRC and talk with us? May 25 21:19:18 boooooomsauce May 25 21:19:19 i'm not trashtalking about webOS, i've said plenty of nice things about it May 25 21:19:31 * Tibfib_uk hasn't noticed the nice things May 25 21:19:59 I think you're jealous... because HP/Palm people DO come and talk with us devs May 25 21:20:01 Tibfib_uk: i said 1) i wished google bought palm and integrated webOS' UI into android, and 2) i'd consider buying a webOS phone, even with all i've invested in android, if the device was right May 25 21:20:02 they help us May 25 21:20:16 they hear our opinions May 25 21:20:19 NuttyBunny: dude, i have a close friend on the android dev team at google, i can go into #android and pick brains all day May 25 21:20:23 we're a happy family May 25 21:20:25 Tommy: 2 was not a positive thing May 25 21:20:38 not how you said it originally May 25 21:20:54 Tibfib_uk: what i said was "even with webOS", and what i meant by that was, even without android, where all of my money is May 25 21:21:13 i buy apps... lots of em... probably have $150-200 in purchased apps linked with my google account May 25 21:21:38 sure, up to interpretation I guess. May 25 21:21:41 slingplayer mobile alone was $30, and i paid $110 for my slingbox itself, and if i got webOS, i'd have to wait for slingplayer mobile to come out, and pay another $30 May 25 21:22:04 so for me to even consider a webOS device, ever, speaks VERY highly of the operating system May 25 21:22:26 * Tibfib_uk naps May 25 21:22:44 lol it's like 9:30, just go to sleep already May 25 21:22:49 kthx May 25 22:05:03 Anyone have any advice for starting out writing apps? May 25 22:07:27 learn javascript well May 25 22:08:00 http://eloquentjavascript.net/ May 25 22:08:23 read the source for the framework, read the source for the palm apps May 25 22:10:54 use ares ;) May 25 22:11:09 Learn javascript...it's a shame it's nothing like Java, I know Java! :P May 25 22:11:40 ha, shame its called something like java, not that its nothing like java :) May 25 22:11:50 Also true :p May 25 22:12:46 * ryanwatkins remembers Java when it was called OAK May 25 22:13:41 remember when Java 1.2 was renamed Java 2. Java2 1.2, Java 2 1., ... May 25 22:15:50 WebRunner, the Oak enabled browser! May 25 23:40:35 lol wut May 26 00:08:45 FWIW, fuck the yankees May 26 00:09:04 LOL May 26 00:47:33 how hard is it to play audio from a streaming server? like mp3 from shoutcast? May 26 00:51:40 beuller? May 26 00:52:33 Codhisattva: i can let you know in a couple weeks :) about to start something like that now... May 26 00:52:52 cwayne: oh nice :) May 26 00:53:55 cwayne: if it's hard, I might have clients for you May 26 00:54:13 cwayne: if it's easy, maybe you share code mkay? :) May 26 01:00:58 Codhisattva: sure thing :) May 26 01:07:18 funny story: just recabled my desk moving some usb hd's to a nas thingie, and it reduced the mac minis power usage enough to make the ups trigger the monitor mode and shut off almost everything else on the ups May 26 01:09:59 Moral of story: Don't use Apple products :D May 26 01:12:27 heh... pre plugged in equals mini on to ups, but pre 2 unplugged equals off May 26 01:19:34 Codhisattva, Play audio as in code up an audio player? May 26 01:19:45 Or as in make a shoutcast server? May 26 02:15:18 evening May 26 02:15:47 new release wednesday - woot! May 26 02:16:03 for? May 26 02:16:40 Boopop: sorry if this is a little late, I'm taking Eloquent Javascript right now, so we can help another if needed May 26 02:16:45 twtomcat - You know the drill: If you're an Early Access Developer, now would be a good time to check the Private Forum #webos May 26 02:17:23 lol May 26 02:17:47 * PatrickC wishes it was "New *NON NDA* Release Wednesday" :) May 26 02:17:55 but.. you take whatcha get :) May 26 02:19:46 i imagine thats some time atleast after the touchpad release May 26 02:20:15 probably May 26 02:20:22 which could be June 6 :) May 26 02:21:31 any other nDrive beta testers in here? May 26 02:21:51 14 days? ya gotta be kidding. May 26 02:21:59 for? oh May 26 02:22:04 june 6th release? May 26 02:22:11 ya May 26 02:22:41 Is there any custom ROM scene for WebOS devices? May 26 02:22:50 I've seen weirder things May 26 02:23:00 HQRaja: why would you want one? May 26 02:23:05 Just curious May 26 02:23:07 though I guess w/o a carrier they can release as often as they want so I guess they can release w/ a build from a month ago an immediately update May 26 02:23:26 yeah May 26 02:23:32 I've only tried out a WebOS device once...it was someone else's and I was simply trying out the interface so I don't know much more. May 26 02:23:58 LOVED the interface though...especially how refined, good-looking and functional it was right out of the box May 26 02:24:00 are you wanting to root it? May 26 02:24:05 webos doesn't use the ROM concept May 26 02:24:10 we all love it :) May 26 02:24:12 Well I don't have a WebOS device PatrickC. May 26 02:24:20 download the SDK, play with the emulator. May 26 02:24:23 webos doesn't need to be rooted either :) May 26 02:24:29 I see May 26 02:24:30 it's more of a customize how you like it concept May 26 02:24:34 what ryanwatkins said May 26 02:24:39 Makes it even more awesome. May 26 02:24:51 Preware is the best app evah May 26 02:25:07 The only thing that's keeping me from buying a WebOS device is the shortage of apps compared to Android May 26 02:25:25 what apps do you use that aren't on webOS? May 26 02:25:28 And not to mention the fact that I'm saving up for Eee Pad Transformer that's on higher priority May 26 02:25:31 ya, they should get some more of the bigger players w/ the 3.0 release. May 26 02:25:36 but its still a smaller pond. May 26 02:25:50 a smaller, more friendly, pond May 26 02:26:06 PatrickC Well I have around 250 Android apps installed...not sure if I'll find alternatives for all on WebOS May 26 02:26:08 a no-netflix no-hulu pond. May 26 02:26:22 sadly yeah ryan May 26 02:26:24 Don't care for Netflix or Hulu...we don't get those here in Pakistan anyway May 26 02:26:51 HQRaja: I had almost 300 apps installed, all obtained legally, for free May 26 02:26:53 from the catalog May 26 02:26:54 BTW speaking of Pakistan...I recently tried out PlayBook here and found out its market isn't accessible in Pakistan May 26 02:27:10 Is there a chance of that on WebOS too? May 26 02:27:23 not if you use Impostah iirc May 26 02:27:27 likely as they dont have one for austrailia either. May 26 02:27:28 yes unfortunately, there are workarounds though May 26 02:27:51 Oh OK May 26 02:28:07 Like we have Market Enabler for Android that enables access to paid apps for us May 26 02:28:18 By faking a US-based carrier May 26 02:28:28 same with us (I think?) May 26 02:28:42 That'll do I suppose. May 26 02:28:43 I'm in the US, so I don't use it May 26 02:28:50 touchpad - no carrier. should open lots more goodness. carriers suck. May 26 02:28:57 hey question May 26 02:29:04 hey brb May 26 02:29:11 hey shit May 26 02:29:13 I love the card interface...multitasking done just right May 26 02:29:35 The only multitasking interface I found aesthetically more pleasing was PlayBook's...it was the only thing about PlayBook that I liked May 26 02:29:52 HQRaja: pretty much copied from webos btw May 26 02:29:55 multitasking that was copied by Blackberry May 26 02:29:59 Yeah functionally identical May 26 02:30:16 * PatrickC sighs May 26 02:30:20 Though not sure if WebOS also displays videos as playing even in the app switching preview May 26 02:30:27 I got no Eloquent read today :/ May 26 02:30:29 Haven't checked. May 26 02:30:29 HQRaja: i believe it does May 26 02:30:34 PatrickC: GET ON IT GODDAMNIT May 26 02:30:37 cwayne Oh OK. May 26 02:30:44 it does via patch May 26 02:30:51 * PatrickC hides in the corner May 26 02:30:59 brb May 26 02:31:14 Palm got app switching just right and now everyone but Android is copying them May 26 02:31:57 Everyone but Android and iOS actually but then iOS doesn't count when sane people are having a conversation about mobile operating systems May 26 02:32:12 HQRaja: lol May 26 02:32:27 =) May 26 02:32:40 steve jobs "you do not want more than one thing!" May 26 02:32:59 ryanwatkins: That reminds me of this > http://twitpic.com/2d1zqb May 26 02:33:21 two mouse buttons? no! May 26 02:33:30 Nope but close May 26 02:34:24 heh May 26 02:34:29 I hope the app market of WebOS grows considerably May 26 02:34:46 The platform is really promising and probably the best available out there out of the box May 26 02:35:18 I love Android but to face the facts, I have to customize it a lot to make it look even remotely as aesthetically pleasing as WebOS May 26 02:36:05 Though functionally, the only thing from WebOS I'd want on Android is app switching done the right way May 26 02:36:05 its not even about aesthetics, its about how the UI works. May 26 02:36:11 Yeah! May 26 02:36:20 The way it works so seamlessly and so fluidly May 26 02:36:22 but to be fair, android also looks like shit May 26 02:36:49 Well I'd give Android credit for letting you make it look as good as you want...or as bad as you let it May 26 02:36:55 its a company run by engineers. apple is a company run by designers. May 26 02:37:11 and douches May 26 02:37:15 which doesnt bode well for HP but we'll see. May 26 02:37:25 Lead by the biggest douche, cwayne May 26 02:37:35 DocLee: play audio from a shoutcast server May 26 02:37:46 enyo is nice and all but it is lacking some of the UI polish that mojo has. May 26 02:37:53 Enyo is horrible. May 26 02:38:01 What are Enyo and Mojo BTW? May 26 02:38:05 Codhisattva, it's relatively easy May 26 02:38:26 mojo is the current current UI framework, enyo is the replacement with 3.0. May 26 02:38:38 DocLee: do have some example code? May 26 02:38:45 So the future one looks horrible? May 26 02:39:10 Codhisattva, I'd need to know what exactly your intentions are. May 26 02:39:31 the multitasking card model and stuff is mostly the same. its the UI widgets that are not nearly as polished. May 26 02:39:37 Heh as long as they aren';t cruel intentions May 26 02:39:40 aren't* May 26 02:39:50 DocLee: sure. On the iOS platform I've written a framework for making apps quickly. I sell the apps cheaply to LPFM and non-profit radio stations. May 26 02:39:52 ryanwatkins Oh OK...currently under development? May 26 02:40:00 DocLee: I'd like to offer the same thing on webOS May 26 02:40:05 yes May 26 02:40:15 Then it's OK I suppose May 26 02:40:16 look online there are some presentations of it. May 26 02:40:16 it's all html/css, you could make it lok however you want it to May 26 02:40:24 Codhisattva, sorry. I can't help with that. We do the same thing. May 26 02:40:37 sure and you can write your own android or iOS ui from scratch too. May 26 02:40:44 DocLee: do you support LPFM? May 26 02:40:45 but the framework sets the standard. May 26 02:41:13 Codhisattva, We support anything and everything that streams May 26 02:41:20 DocLee: I'm now asking as a potential customer :) May 26 02:41:26 Ah I see May 26 02:41:30 Codhisattva, http://www.tunein.com May 26 02:42:26 DocLee: nice. you are bigger than me :) May 26 02:42:43 You run tunein radio DocLee? May 26 02:42:45 Yeah, we're pretty big on the Iphone as well. May 26 02:42:50 Yeah May 26 02:42:55 Nice! =) May 26 02:42:57 I work for them May 26 02:43:28 Cool May 26 02:43:42 * oil_pre is big in china May 26 02:43:59 im big in japan May 26 02:44:21 I think we're the number 18 app in the Itunes catalog May 26 02:44:34 HAY i have a question May 26 02:44:44 why would this.controller.stageController.pushScene('dashboard'); not work, but with no errors May 26 02:44:57 * rwhitby is big in his shed May 26 02:45:03 maybe number 18 in the music category May 26 02:45:20 * HQRaja isn't even big at his own place =( May 26 02:45:20 Nope May 26 02:45:25 18 overall May 26 02:45:31 guys May 26 02:45:33 Paid category May 26 02:45:36 nobody cares whos dick's bigger May 26 02:45:40 I HAVE A REAL QUESTION May 26 02:45:48 nice May 26 02:45:52 actually #15 in US May 26 02:45:57 charming May 26 02:45:58 LOL May 26 02:46:13 DocLee: do you use ffmpeg on webOS also? May 26 02:46:18 cwayne, Because a dashboard isn't a complete scene May 26 02:46:41 ffmpeg isn't supported under WebOS for webapps May 26 02:46:43 DocLee: i made a scene called dashboard, probably not my best move. think thats the problem? May 26 02:46:50 Could be. May 26 02:47:33 if I click the "2" key when in an email input, what character do you think i really want, eh webOS? May 26 02:48:07 TuneIn is nice stuff. but I'm not a competitor. I've made a few apps for very small stations. Each station gets one app, instead of getting lost in a forest of stations. May 26 02:48:31 We do the same thing though. May 26 02:48:35 Individual stations. May 26 02:48:45 ah I didn't see any in the store May 26 02:48:46 We handle the stream, schedule, listings, and advertising. May 26 02:48:56 Yeah, they're not listed as our apps. May 26 02:49:41 DocLee: nope, that wasnt it :( May 26 02:49:51 pastebin code May 26 02:51:43 DocLee: can you point me at one (on iOS preferably) so I can check it out? May 26 02:52:48 Hah...I don't have Itunes installed on this computer. Give me a few minutes. May 26 02:53:21 BTW is there any WebOS device with an AMOLED screen? May 26 02:54:29 HQRaja, no May 26 02:54:29 every one I'm checking from the /mobile/ site has their own app from Jacobs Media :/ May 26 02:54:45 Codhisattva, we've done plenty of work for Jacobs May 26 02:54:54 ahhh May 26 02:55:03 DocLee Thanks May 26 02:55:13 Jacobs has used several devs over the years May 26 02:55:30 A lot of them use our backend services May 26 02:55:32 DocLee: well the function in question is just May 26 02:55:32 FirstAssistant.prototype.oAuthSuccess = function(transport) { May 26 02:55:33 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('acctdash'); May 26 02:55:33 } May 26 02:55:34 So to develop for WebOS, all I need to know is HTML, CSS and JavaScript? May 26 02:55:42 Hold up...I got some emails to answer May 26 02:57:25 pretty much May 26 02:57:40 some graphic/ui design doesn't hurt May 26 02:58:00 Nifty! May 26 02:58:11 huh so just use an