**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 01 02:59:56 2011 Jun 01 03:00:32 sounds like you need more knifes Jun 01 03:00:39 who doesn't? Jun 01 03:00:53 some would say me, but their just hippies Jun 01 03:01:37 Ordered 4 from the amazons today, one to replace one mia and 3 because Jun 01 03:07:34 shit. Jun 01 03:07:39 shit shit shit. Jun 01 03:07:42 this is shit. Jun 01 03:07:54 what is it, crap? Jun 01 03:08:51 pretty crappy Jun 01 03:08:57 I'm testing in Chrome Jun 01 03:09:36 If I login to the regular website in Chrome, it saves the auth cookies in Chrome. Then the app works. Jun 01 03:11:56 because it's using the stored cookies rather than the auth info I send in the http request Jun 01 03:22:54 now I have to finally learn how to use win7 Jun 01 03:23:01 yes you do Jun 01 03:23:40 sugardave: win7 not to bad except i did get a blue screen about 3 weeks ago for no reason Jun 01 03:23:51 on an HP laptop none the less Jun 01 03:24:05 thats why hp uses dells internally! Jun 01 03:24:07 I loathe the "helpful" features so far Jun 01 03:24:19 helpful features like? Jun 01 03:24:33 this stupid control panel....I hate it Jun 01 03:24:34 halfhalo: lol how do you know that? Jun 01 03:24:47 sugardave: you can get god mode Jun 01 03:24:56 ok, my bad. Jun 01 03:24:56 I am Jun 01 03:25:00 sugardave: just search for everything. makes live easier Jun 01 03:25:05 and disable uac Jun 01 03:25:18 oh yeah uac totally sucks Jun 01 03:25:25 uac? Jun 01 03:25:40 the thingie that pops up when you try to do ANYTHING Jun 01 03:25:43 some shit pops ups Jun 01 03:25:50 lol Jun 01 03:25:53 already disabled, looks like Jun 01 03:25:58 so that's good Jun 01 03:26:32 yay, it works! Jun 01 03:26:37 woohoo! Jun 01 03:26:51 only wasted another night on stupid stuff Jun 01 03:27:33 lol Jun 01 03:28:11 it's like the old days! Jun 01 03:28:51 but not! Jun 01 03:29:03 Hmm Jun 01 03:29:11 Veer on sale again without a contract Jun 01 03:29:22 how much Jun 01 03:29:27 $50 Jun 01 03:29:32 where? Jun 01 03:29:37 amazon. precentral link Jun 01 03:29:39 wait, what? Jun 01 03:30:04 I bought one and selected one day shipping. so they have until thursday to cancel my order basically Jun 01 03:31:18 purchased with 2 day, but temp out of stock Jun 01 03:32:37 * haeffb bought 200 of 'em Jun 01 03:32:42 ebay, here I come! Jun 01 03:33:27 lol Jun 01 03:33:35 didn't they send out gift cards or something the last time? Jun 01 03:33:39 ya Jun 01 03:34:22 $10 credit Jun 01 03:34:44 if I get one, I just might have to get AT&T service for a month to try it out Jun 01 03:34:57 do prepaid Jun 01 03:35:00 so, that's $2000 in Amazon credit or $20,000 by selling them for $150 on ebay. easy money. Jun 01 03:35:37 * halfhalo has att as main acct nowadays anywho Jun 01 03:35:53 well Jun 01 03:35:59 I can do regular AT&T service for a month Jun 01 03:36:06 and I think you get money back guarantee or something Jun 01 03:37:01 meh, i find att to be better than sprint for my needs right now Jun 01 03:37:01 also, new HP Veer commercial! Jun 01 03:37:11 with Manny the boxer Jun 01 03:37:25 halfhalo: I don't like the nickel and diming on AT&T Jun 01 03:37:34 sprint is just one price, I get everything I want Jun 01 03:37:37 so simple. Jun 01 03:37:39 yeah, but its cheaper than sprint for me Jun 01 03:37:53 also, Sprint gave me a Femtocell. I can't argue. Haha Jun 01 03:38:02 * bnceo hugs his 3G Airrave Jun 01 03:38:08 esp if i don't have the gps + txt's in it Jun 01 03:38:15 * halfhalo doesn't need an airrave now! Jun 01 03:40:53 I don't "need" one either Jun 01 03:41:06 but it's awesome to have full EVDO connection instead of 3 bars Jun 01 03:41:14 and full, I mean as fast as EVDO can get Jun 01 03:41:24 I had _nothing_ before Jun 01 03:41:39 well yeah, if you don't put GPS on it or text and get the cheaper data plan, of course it's cheaper Jun 01 03:41:47 I wish AT&T would give me more choices for minutes Jun 01 03:41:55 cause it's way overprice right now Jun 01 03:42:01 if they had a 200 min/month i would totally go for it Jun 01 03:46:51 Veer again for $50? Jun 01 03:47:09 I couldn't get to $50 without an AT&T account Jun 01 03:47:11 oh noes...emulator crashes :/ Jun 01 03:47:47 rwhitby: did you go through the P|C link? I had to to get the price Jun 01 03:47:49 the white one, not the black one Jun 01 03:48:56 and seeing as i already have an AT&T sim in my pre2, I'm good. Jun 01 03:52:08 meh, I would love to have a smaller webos device to carry along with my winphone at this point. Jun 01 03:53:22 when I get my veer, I'm going to all the local stores to show it off and show them how to really use WebOS Jun 01 03:53:36 cause this BS I get from AT&T stores, resellers, and Best Buy makes me sick Jun 01 03:56:48 sugardave: this is starting to make sense Jun 01 03:59:55 i ORDERED 2, it's not my fault that the page is still up ;) Jun 01 04:00:49 lol Jun 01 04:02:23 haeffb: cool :D Jun 01 04:04:14 off to bed Jun 01 04:04:23 I expect by tomorrow night to have it canceled Jun 01 04:04:28 but if not, we shall see Jun 01 04:04:46 it ships tomorrow. If it gets in a box and in a truck, Imma jump for joy =) Jun 01 04:04:49 gnite Jun 01 04:21:36 aha! sugardave! Jun 01 04:22:17 * halfhalo sues Jun 01 04:22:50 * NuttyBunny_Home hopes and waits Jun 01 04:23:06 to be sued? Jun 01 04:23:29 no, to get one of those puppies delivered ;) Jun 01 04:24:31 progress has been made. time for sleep. Night folks and good luck on the Veer purchases. Jun 01 04:25:32 * dwc- is in for a cancellation too Jun 01 04:29:33 well I had to use cp in terminal to get past the hidden directories in /media/cryptofs/ dir Jun 01 04:31:30 Judas-C, I bet the restriction was made to avoid piracy Jun 01 04:32:26 why hid that and not the /usr/palm/applications/ Jun 01 04:33:03 and it wasn't hidden before Jun 01 04:33:40 can you check on any of ur pre's to see if it's hidden for you Jun 01 04:34:18 all of the homebrew apps go into the /media/cryptofs/apps also Jun 01 04:34:40 /usr/palm/applications are the official palm applications, viewable by peeking inside a webOS doctor. Cryptofs, on the other hand, is encrypted for a purpose, to avoid you looking and copying the apps Jun 01 04:34:53 yep, friendly fire there with the hb apps Jun 01 04:36:17 then why was it not encrypted before Jun 01 04:36:17 did they do it on .1 Jun 01 04:36:22 I personally like the approach. Most people is unable to browse cryptofs, and it's fine for me. With just one command I'd go and grab all the cryptofs unencrypted files and put them in a .tgz file in my computer Jun 01 04:36:46 I can get into it through terminal by doing cd apps inside of cryptofs Jun 01 04:36:56 Perhaps HP/Palm didn't like that Jun 01 04:37:21 of course, but, again, most people don't know how to mess with the webOS linux internals Jun 01 04:37:23 I'm not talking about looking at it through a pc Jun 01 04:37:44 ok, ok.. you've lost me here... Jun 01 04:37:53 isn't it there in 1.4.5.1?? Jun 01 04:38:00 he's looking at it through Terminal Jun 01 04:38:36 I'm talking about terminal/terminus/xterm/internalz pro. from inside of the pre Jun 01 04:39:03 isn't it unencrypted when you disconnect from usb Jun 01 04:39:11 what do you see with "ls /media/cryptofs" Jun 01 04:40:37 nothing Jun 01 04:41:09 ah, ok Jun 01 04:41:24 in usb mode you won't see squat in cryptofs Jun 01 04:41:29 you have to leave usb mode Jun 01 04:41:44 "just charge" Jun 01 04:43:17 oops Jun 01 04:43:22 "just fail" Jun 01 04:43:41 I get nothing Jun 01 04:44:17 but if I do "ls /media/cryptofs/apps I get etc and usr directories Jun 01 04:44:43 mmm... funny Jun 01 04:44:48 ls -l /media/cryptofs Jun 01 04:45:07 ls -lart /media/cryptofs :D Jun 01 04:46:34 in fact I was going for: Jun 01 04:46:36 nothing Jun 01 04:46:43 ls -ld /media/cryptofs Jun 01 04:48:58 how do i tilt the emulator scene? Jun 01 04:49:07 the commands? Jun 01 04:49:12 not my head lol Jun 01 04:49:30 f-something Jun 01 04:49:50 i wanna say f6 and around there for each direction Jun 01 04:50:51 yeah f6 switches cards Jun 01 04:50:59 I think it's f6-f9 Jun 01 04:51:12 might be f5-f8 Jun 01 04:51:32 ok I get chmod settings on the dir but doesn't show what is inside the dir Jun 01 04:51:50 sugardave oil thanks Jun 01 04:52:06 but what are the permissions? drwxrwxrwx or d-wx-wx-wx ? Jun 01 04:52:16 Judas_C: so what is it that you are trying to do? Jun 01 04:52:41 I have my 1.4.5 Pre and novaterm shows me the apps dir in /media/cryptofs Jun 01 04:52:43 first one Jun 01 04:53:16 I can't view the directory but I can go too it Jun 01 04:53:32 Judas_C: but what is your goal? Jun 01 04:54:06 Judas_C: I really bet it's for security issues Jun 01 04:55:18 sorry Jun 01 04:56:09 last thing I seen was the 1.4.5 msg Jun 01 04:57:09 can you see it with internalz Jun 01 04:57:32 I don't have Internalz installed....so my question is what are you trying to accomplish? Jun 01 04:58:02 Judas_C: I really bet it's for security reasons Jun 01 04:58:58 to copy a config file into one of the app config directories Jun 01 04:59:23 nutty then why is it showing up for otther people Jun 01 04:59:35 1.4.5.1 as well? Jun 01 04:59:59 don't know haven't met anyone else with .1 Jun 01 05:00:19 that's what I'm saying, it may be a change in .1 Jun 01 05:00:35 that's what I was thinking before Jun 01 05:00:50 Judas-C: so copy it, you know the path Jun 01 05:00:59 but it shows up in 2.1 Jun 01 05:02:00 I did the long route I just want to make it easier if I need to do something else again Jun 01 05:02:04 yep, if you know how to do it don't break your head with it Jun 01 05:02:42 I like internalz better then terminal Jun 01 05:03:21 what font do you use in terminal Jun 01 05:04:30 no idea, the default one? :) I've not used terminal since 2.1 came to the Pre Jun 01 05:05:23 wish I can install 2.1 Jun 01 05:05:55 Judas-C: to answer your question, yes I can see the apps dir in Internalz on my 1.4.5 Pre Jun 01 05:06:39 Judas-C: You *can*, there's no excuse Jun 01 05:06:42 thanks Jun 01 05:06:55 no pc Jun 01 05:07:16 is there a way to install without pc Jun 01 05:07:32 SineOt: http://cuteoverload.com/2011/05/31/limbo-rock/ Jun 01 05:07:33 what is this "no pc" Jun 01 05:07:48 Judas-C: no, you'd definitely need a PC to doctor to 2.1 Jun 01 05:07:51 I have no computer Jun 01 05:08:54 yep Jun 01 05:09:27 unless they release an ota which will be when pigs fly and a cold day in hell Jun 01 05:09:53 yeah, you can forget that Jun 01 05:10:07 there will be no OTA for 1.4.5.x to 2.x Jun 01 05:10:19 sugardave: there's a non-developed, theoretical way, if bootr can boot alternate kernels and init files, *someone* could make a way to extract the doctor files to somewhere, then create a script to insert everything to the correct places, and then reboot... Jun 01 05:10:21 which is bull Jun 01 05:10:48 meh Jun 01 05:11:09 my god, could you imagine extracting the doctor with nothing but a Pre? Jun 01 05:11:38 don't tease me, I can :D Jun 01 05:11:47 the doctor is a zip file renamed to jar Jun 01 05:11:56 zip in a jar in a zip in a jar Jun 01 05:12:00 don't want to imagine Jun 01 05:12:03 RECURSION Jun 01 05:12:08 the firmware modem file is there as well Jun 01 05:12:36 the only thing I wouldn't dare to touch is the nvram partition Jun 01 05:13:01 you're evil people, you just don't let me do my apps... hehehe Jun 01 05:13:16 new project: autodoctor :D Jun 01 05:13:43 haha Jun 01 05:13:53 Of course, if something goes horribly wrong, you'll need a PC to use the doctor and restore your device :) Jun 01 05:14:11 they have PCs at most public libraries :D Jun 01 05:14:19 just bootr into a recovery kernel and rootfs, then run trenchcoat and feed it with data from another partition. hmm - only problem is when it has to redo partitions. Jun 01 05:14:43 rwitby: no need to redo them, just resize them beforehand Jun 01 05:14:48 I wonder how rod feltwhen he bricked the Veer Jun 01 05:15:07 I do too. Jun 01 05:15:18 stiff Jun 01 05:15:24 er Jun 01 05:15:28 silly veer Jun 01 05:15:40 bet it didn't feel good rod that much of sucked Jun 01 05:15:44 he's a bit of an idiot bricking a device within a day of getting it ship Jun 01 05:15:54 I know right? Jun 01 05:15:58 "welp, that's that" *hand wipe motion* Jun 01 05:16:00 at least you proved it CAN be bricked :) Jun 01 05:16:23 DABDA Jun 01 05:16:24 "open box" "awww, its bricked" Jun 01 05:16:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model Jun 01 05:16:47 I think ur cracking rod lol. talking in the 3rd person mode Jun 01 05:18:06 "Look, in the sky!" "Its a bird!" "Its a plane!" "Its a semblance of grammar!" Jun 01 05:18:33 NuttyBunny_Home: I went from "Shit" to "Let's crack this thing open" pretty quickly. Jun 01 05:18:55 Then it was just a matter of working out how to recoup the expenditure. Jun 01 05:18:55 rwhitby: I bet it was still warm when you opened it :D Jun 01 05:19:01 yeah I know I suck at grammar Jun 01 05:20:44 so it had to do with the chip controlling the touch to share Jun 01 05:23:14 ok, gotta go... c-ya later :D Jun 01 05:25:53 how did you like the veer before you bricked it Jun 01 06:38:26 morning Jun 01 06:38:53 Good morning Jun 01 06:58:30 'morning Jun 01 07:56:46 I got my cancellation Jun 01 07:59:28 :( Jun 01 08:01:42 For? Jun 01 08:20:41 $49 Veer presumably. Jun 01 08:21:22 Second timethey've done that. Jun 01 08:28:56 i dont get it? Jun 01 08:29:01 do they chancel the order ? Jun 01 08:29:54 Yup Jun 01 08:30:02 why? Jun 01 08:30:05 Say "Sorry, it was a mistake" and never charge your card basically Jun 01 08:30:14 but why? Jun 01 08:30:20 Uh, probably because it's supposed to be like 349 off contract Jun 01 08:30:20 dont they wonna sell Jun 01 08:30:29 ahh Jun 01 08:30:30 hehe Jun 01 08:30:33 They want to sell, but they don't want to lose 300 bucks Jun 01 08:30:41 off contract 49 buks? Jun 01 08:30:42 I mean look at that Lady Gaga thing Jun 01 08:30:54 yeah they sold a lot, but... They missed out on like 3.2 million dollars Jun 01 08:30:57 Yup Jun 01 08:31:23 I can only assume that it ends up accidentally getting the on contract price for the off contract device Jun 01 08:31:53 i see Jun 01 08:32:41 I can only get the phone for 350 off contract Jun 01 09:24:48 Does anybody know where to find the reference for WebOS 3 (Enyo) services? Are the services described in "webOS Service APIs" in the documentation that came with SDK 3 for Enyo or Mojo? Jun 01 09:54:23 Does anybody know how this would be done with enyo? http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/mojo-services-api/470-palmcompalmcalendarcrud-createevent-creating-new-event Jun 01 09:56:28 dwc-: My order is still legit Jun 01 09:59:53 NDA Jun 01 10:41:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIheAjvEiBE&feature=player_embedded Jun 01 12:01:32 bnceo: my order is cancelled Jun 01 13:20:07 'Morning all Jun 01 13:21:42 IGNTNUNLMTD: yo Jun 01 13:41:26 sugardave: still in CA? Jun 01 13:46:09 hey guys Jun 01 13:53:34 hey Jun 01 13:54:41 hey Jun 01 13:55:37 tried asking this last night to no avail, but worth a shot now I guess. Anyone have any idea what I can do here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14407 ? It's driving me mad at this point Jun 01 13:56:35 hey Jun 01 14:04:14 Palm: it's time to set up a mobile version of the dev forums! Jun 01 14:04:47 somebody tell chuq when he gets in... Jun 01 14:06:28 Popple3: I can't help Jun 01 14:06:57 haeffb_pre: Thanks for having a look anyway Jun 01 14:11:36 y0 Jun 01 14:12:03 Yes, palm needs mobile friendly version (and an app as well) Jun 01 14:12:14 needs a * Jun 01 14:57:51 haeffb_pre: I am...I don't leave until Tuesday 6/7 Jun 01 14:59:03 awesome! Jun 01 14:59:50 now if it were just a little bit warmer... Jun 01 15:12:06 hey sugardave Jun 01 15:12:11 and haeffb Jun 01 15:22:14 hi swisstomcat Jun 01 15:22:25 how's life? ;) Jun 01 15:23:08 pretty good, especially if I can get my emulator running today :) Jun 01 15:24:27 checking out e editor for Windows...looks pretty god, wish it were free Jun 01 15:24:31 s/god/good/ Jun 01 15:25:10 sugardave: look at sublime text, tis much better Jun 01 15:25:59 halfhalo: cool Jun 01 15:28:02 notepad++ is usable too Jun 01 15:30:28 emacs, available everywhere, does anything and free. Jun 01 15:30:47 thats because emacs is like, emacs Jun 01 15:31:26 "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can" Jun 01 15:34:46 lulz Jun 01 15:34:51 so seeing as there is a plugin for eclipse to read gmail, that will likely survive. Jun 01 15:34:59 ew eclipse Jun 01 15:35:05 yeah, bleh Jun 01 15:35:28 frankly, I use mac mail on mac and postbox on windows. nothing else works for me Jun 01 15:35:59 i use... THE INTERNET Jun 01 15:36:06 and thunderbird for work mail Jun 01 15:36:11 lol Jun 01 15:36:23 I would use thunderbird but I likes pretty and universal inbox Jun 01 15:36:37 my other option is evolution :/ Jun 01 15:39:17 lulz Jun 01 15:50:35 I use Sparrow on Mac, it's awesome Jun 01 15:51:19 I use mac mail since it doesn't choke on the number of messages I have, which brings most clients to their knees. Including outlook, sadly. Jun 01 15:52:00 halfhalo: how many Jun 01 15:52:07 450k Jun 01 15:52:23 damn Jun 01 15:52:27 im only at 45k Jun 01 15:52:35 but only a year on the job :P Jun 01 15:52:52 almost all are from forum emails Jun 01 15:53:55 ah mines all work, no idea how much is in my gmail Jun 01 15:54:22 yeah, forum mod spam sucks Jun 01 15:54:45 and how Jun 01 16:07:24 hello #webos Jun 01 16:35:56 erg, web IRC sucks Jun 01 16:38:44 morning sugardave Jun 01 16:41:44 any news on touchpad prices ? Jun 01 16:46:52 hi LoneStar99 Jun 01 16:47:05 well, at least tab complete works in the web interface :) Jun 01 16:47:39 Simpson_2: last I saw was the rumored $599 price for the 32GB wifi TouchPad...but we'll have to wait to know for sure Jun 01 16:48:31 ah great, thats just below import tax rate ;) Jun 01 16:48:44 swisstomcat, around ? Jun 01 16:52:00 i saw the threads to late but something about $50 veers? Jun 01 16:52:05 is that right and legit? Jun 01 17:53:23 hey..how to remove error in c programme... Jun 01 17:53:43 its a linker type error initgraph not included Jun 01 17:54:19 undefined symbol initgraph...what do i do?? Jun 01 17:54:53 does any1 knows? Jun 01 17:59:34 ?? Jun 01 18:01:16 which channel i have to refer to for my c language related queries?? Jun 01 18:51:20 when did hp buy palm? Jun 01 18:51:27 a while ago Jun 01 18:51:28 i think they lost my username/pass for the palm profile Jun 01 18:51:33 call it a year Jun 01 18:51:36 i cant seem to remember my username/pass Jun 01 18:51:39 jeez, thats more than a while Jun 01 18:52:48 google says apr 28 2010 Jun 01 18:52:57 google lies! Jun 01 18:53:13 perhaps :) Jun 01 18:53:31 or halfhalo lies, both are valid possibilities Jun 01 18:54:30 is that a lie? Jun 01 18:54:45 i'm sure google lies about some things Jun 01 18:54:48 that is a distinct possibility Jun 01 18:54:56 the hp veer looks neat Jun 01 18:55:39 that's a good thing for a phone Jun 01 18:56:00 itty bitty little phone Jun 01 18:56:32 ive still got a 1st gen palm pre Jun 01 18:56:44 the screen just cracked on sunday though, kinda sucks Jun 01 18:56:55 i get a new one due to some kind of model flaw Jun 01 18:57:16 which channel i have to refer to for my c language related queries?? Jun 01 18:58:45 ?? Jun 01 18:59:17 jats_: no idea, but unless its related to webos, this is probably not the channel for that Jun 01 18:59:47 ya halfhalo...thnx nyay Jun 01 18:59:50 perhaps it's #c ? Jun 01 19:00:10 k ill try Jun 01 19:00:53 when hp bought palm did you guys have to change your username/pass for the palm profile that saves all of your contact numbers and stuff Jun 01 19:01:00 nope Jun 01 19:02:10 we just pledged our allegiance to a different company Jun 01 19:02:59 nevermind, i found what i was looking for Jun 01 19:04:18 http://thisguyhasmymacbook.tumblr.com/ <- lol, Oakland PD Jun 01 19:04:32 are there any steps you guys take when you switch out phones and hand them back to the store Jun 01 19:04:37 like deleting things Jun 01 19:04:48 dohtem: hah, i remember hearing about this Jun 01 19:05:13 the police were absolutely useless till the story got national coverage Jun 01 19:07:14 dohtem: looks like thats true Jun 01 19:09:53 icarus: you can backup and then peform a Full Erase before you send it it. Jun 01 19:30:16 Oh whoa. An HTC webOS phone would be nuts Jun 01 19:31:04 SineOt: Quite. Then we'd have to deal with two long waits for updates :P Jun 01 19:31:06 nutz Jun 01 19:31:09 * Popple3 is just being a troll Jun 01 19:33:13 * haeffb_pre is back in "can't wait to get home to code" mode Jun 01 19:33:52 haeffb_pre: I'm in that mood too, but I'm at a dead end :( Jun 01 19:34:02 Also, I'm already home :P Jun 01 19:34:21 Popple3: haha, yeah Jun 01 19:34:22 its been awhile since i've been motivated Jun 01 19:34:28 But that mostly falls on the carriers Jun 01 19:35:08 HTC had the 2.1 update for the Hero ready for like 7 months before Sprint actually certified it >:C Jun 01 19:35:59 I recall my brother waiting for ages for 2.1 on his unbranded GSM Hero Jun 01 19:36:06 that's all down to HTC Jun 01 19:56:01 tttoooouuuccchhhpppaaaddd Jun 01 19:56:47 give me a T Jun 01 19:56:51 give me an O! Jun 01 19:56:56 .. Jun 01 19:56:57 :D Jun 01 19:57:01 We are out of O's sorry Jun 01 19:57:06 haha Jun 01 19:57:25 halfhalo: to make it short: just gimme a touchpad :)= Jun 01 19:58:43 i need a knife... Jun 01 20:00:01 halfhalo: DON'T DO IT MAN! Jun 01 20:00:14 what, open mah salad? Jun 01 20:00:27 yes, it's... um... evil Jun 01 20:00:32 ? Jun 01 20:00:47 that makes it taste better! Jun 01 20:00:59 touché Jun 01 20:01:11 ha HA Jun 01 20:01:14 i have knifes on their way to me now from the amazons Jun 01 20:01:23 tasty evil lettuce? Jun 01 20:01:29 lol Jun 01 20:02:26 I love my little SOG Micro :o Jun 01 20:02:40 Especially since I got it for free for taking a survey saying that I don't use knives very often! Jun 01 20:04:36 i ordered me a replacement m16 and some throwing knifes yesterday Jun 01 20:08:12 I love my w�sthof knives Jun 01 20:23:30 positive day on the webOS news? Jun 01 20:51:06 yay, how I had missed Windows updates :/ Jun 01 20:53:36 hah Jun 01 20:56:10 whoa, sugardave is @palm on the irc's now Jun 01 20:56:23 he's all fancy and probably has forgotten us Jun 01 21:19:09