**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 02:59:56 2011 Jun 02 03:01:28 :D Jun 02 03:01:36 fire! Jun 02 03:02:28 Van Gogh, eat your heart out! Jun 02 03:02:52 lol Jun 02 03:03:13 * rwhitby adds to it Jun 02 03:03:16 sweet jesus Jun 02 03:03:21 lasers? Jun 02 03:04:05 that was a whale, not a plane Jun 02 03:04:10 :( Jun 02 03:04:30 whales can't have lazers? Jun 02 03:04:42 Anybody catch the villo announcement today? that's my illegitimate child Jun 02 03:04:46 sure they can! Jun 02 03:05:24 who's adding still, this is awesome Jun 02 03:05:39 * oil didn't draw anything Jun 02 03:05:48 * halfhalo drew fire and lazers Jun 02 03:06:07 i wish the color pallet was larger Jun 02 03:06:09 no pink? wtf? Jun 02 03:06:20 lol Jun 02 03:06:47 * dohtem wishes he had a Wacom tablet Jun 02 03:07:57 * rwhitby drew parachuting guy and sharks Jun 02 03:09:09 it got cleared? Jun 02 03:09:13 :/ Jun 02 03:09:58 http://www.tianamo.com/whiteboard/canvas.html?canvas=6124-8905 <-- new one :) Jun 02 03:10:12 new one is not as cool as the old one Jun 02 03:11:41 lol Jun 02 03:13:40 :) Jun 02 03:18:33 I'm guessing nobody used their pre to draw Jun 02 03:18:38 is Poster the only wordpress app for webOS? Jun 02 03:18:52 krushia_: not me Jun 02 03:21:15 can't click-drag :( Jun 02 03:24:34 summatusmentis: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.theblogbooster.blogbooster Jun 02 03:26:18 dohtem: oh neat. I was sorta hoping there'd be a free one, but it's good to know there's at least another option Jun 02 03:28:54 Adora! Jun 02 03:30:00 summatusmentis: yeah, i think those are the only 2 Jun 02 03:30:24 Poster is the best one though Jun 02 03:30:41 the better one* Jun 02 03:30:46 GRAMMER NAZI! Jun 02 03:32:22 Best works as well Jun 02 03:33:33 nah, best has to compare > 2 things Jun 02 03:38:59 Bah, I guess you're right **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 03:41:39 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 03:42:14 2011 Jun 02 03:42:20 Wtf time Warner. Both phone and Internet are out Jun 02 03:44:39 Blink. Blink. Blink. That's all the modem is doing. Grrr Jun 02 03:46:49 you try turning it off and on again? xD Jun 02 03:47:05 Yes. Jun 02 03:47:10 :P Jun 02 03:47:35 sounds like your line is down Jun 02 03:47:41 And I superglued my fingers together Jun 02 03:47:59 usually when that happens i call support and there is an automated message about it being down and they're working on it Jun 02 03:48:11 I've found out before that my ups lasts longer than the one that charter cable has at the head end Jun 02 03:48:24 that was a long power outage Jun 02 03:48:28 Except... Phone is down Jun 02 03:48:40 you don't have a Pre handy? Jun 02 03:49:08 The pre 2 was dead, it's charging now Jun 02 03:49:23 Wait a second... I have service! Jun 02 03:49:41 * Loudergood doesn't even have phone service other than cellular Jun 02 03:49:57 I could see if I had children in the house or something I might need it Jun 02 03:50:23 Having cell service here is a new and novel thing for me Jun 02 03:52:33 granted the last time I had a long power outage the cell tower eventually died...that wasn't reassuring Jun 02 03:55:27 Bah Jun 02 03:55:46 Message basically says "stuff be down" Jun 02 03:56:33 time warner phone? voip? Jun 02 03:57:15 Ya Jun 02 03:57:15 I think... I dunno Jun 02 03:57:38 well, if it's voip, no internet -> no phone Jun 02 03:59:15 and tw is a cable co, not a phone co Jun 02 03:59:38 Yup Jun 02 04:00:55 Blink. Blink. Blink. Jun 02 04:00:55 At least tv still works. Yay directv! Jun 02 04:01:19 damn netflix should've seen this coming Jun 02 04:01:41 Oh, that still works as well on phone. Jun 02 04:04:53 Huzzah! Jun 02 04:25:52 ugg, and now desktop is being stupid Jun 02 04:26:01 raid array is not being very raidy Jun 02 04:53:02 I have a scene that has just HTML content, and no widgets. The content in the document goes off of the screen, but the scene scroller doesn't seem to notice, and thus doesn't allow me to scroll Jun 02 04:53:20 shoulda done it in vb Jun 02 04:53:40 I've tried wrapping the scene in my own scroller and turning off the standard scroller, but that doesn't seem to work either Jun 02 04:53:51 vb? eew. Jun 02 04:54:06 hah, i dunno bout scrollers Jun 02 04:54:22 what use are you then? :-p Jun 02 04:54:46 * halfhalo hasnt coded in a year Jun 02 04:55:25 why not? Jun 02 04:55:35 no time really Jun 02 04:55:43 to many other things Jun 02 04:59:36 I can understand that Jun 02 05:08:49 I fixed my problem. It's entirely PEBKAC. Jun 02 05:08:58 lol Jun 02 05:09:20 figured as much, but I wasn't going to say anything Jun 02 05:09:27 lol Jun 02 05:19:58 yes, I just made up the word "Enyastics"...it's kind of like stupid Mojo tricks, but different Jun 02 05:20:46 lol Jun 02 05:21:02 you need help Jun 02 05:21:24 I do Jun 02 05:21:48 and more RAM Jun 02 05:22:03 go steal some Jun 02 05:23:49 dear god. I'm heating up buttered garlic bread in the toaster and eating it like toast. Jun 02 05:24:02 nice Jun 02 05:24:21 that's how you're supposed to do it, right? Jun 02 05:24:37 i doubt it. Jun 02 05:25:02 cook in oven. one piece with a pasta meal or something Jun 02 05:25:35 I figured out it cooks just as well in a toaster wide enough for bagels. Now I'm going through the box Jun 02 05:25:38 "like toast" so you're putting butter/jam/etc on it? Jun 02 05:26:18 it comes buttered Jun 02 05:26:22 and frozen Jun 02 05:26:22 dohtem: details, details Jun 02 05:26:30 http://screamingreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/New-York-Texas-Toast-garlic-bread-review.jpg <- similar to this Jun 02 05:26:32 no jam? Jun 02 05:26:47 lol, i think there is some of that in the freezer Jun 02 05:26:54 TOAST THAT BITCH! Jun 02 05:27:10 * oil considers making a pbj with it Jun 02 05:28:02 I do have peanut butter and jelly... Jun 02 05:28:18 who doesnt? Jun 02 05:28:49 not sure if garlic, peanut butter, and jelly will be delicious Jun 02 05:29:06 that's what they said about a PB&J with bacon Jun 02 05:29:13 ham or turkey maybe? Jun 02 05:29:23 pie Jun 02 05:31:10 anyways Jun 02 05:31:17 if you do make a pbj with it, take a picture xD Jun 02 05:33:44 sure Jun 02 05:57:02 sugardave: How long are you in Sunnyvale? Jun 02 06:16:46 hi. On my Pre I can't seem to get my local Wifi IP Jun 02 06:16:57 (PDK) must I start some service first? Jun 02 06:17:33 using gethostname Jun 02 06:43:01 dkirker: I leave Tuesday afternoon...sorry I haven't pinged you yet, trying to get my feet under me Jun 02 06:43:23 no worries Jun 02 06:43:27 I've been busy Jun 02 06:43:31 I imagine :) Jun 02 06:43:52 it is also only the first (now going on second) day after the weekend :) Jun 02 06:44:20 that is very true....maybe tomorrow or Friday we can do lunch or go grab some beers after work or something Jun 02 06:44:27 sure Jun 02 06:44:32 tomorrow might be the best Jun 02 06:44:37 okay, cool Jun 02 07:00:11 hmmm....if something is listed as @protected, is that the same as "don't use this or your app will be rejected"? Jun 02 07:00:40 I believe so Jun 02 07:00:44 fuck Jun 02 07:00:54 in theory Jun 02 07:01:27 now I have to back-pedal Jun 02 08:47:20 morning Jun 02 13:26:33 oh nice! The chart of your current downloads is updated live... Jun 02 13:26:51 or hourly, maybe, yet still, more than once a day Jun 02 13:27:50 hm? Jun 02 13:27:52 really? Jun 02 14:02:47 touchpad, touchpad! where?!?!? :P Jun 02 15:27:50 HP is willing to license webOS about time Jun 02 15:28:03 http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/cVtuBWdssoBZAhjSCicellCicNhpeh?format=standard Jun 02 15:32:59 woooooo sdk on 2.6.38 kernel...bout time Jun 02 15:34:19 woooo donut...'bout time Jun 02 15:34:35 donuts are tomorrow morning Jun 02 15:34:47 ooo! I am going to leave now and eat breakfast at work! Jun 02 15:34:53 Donut Fridays! Jun 02 15:34:57 yup! Jun 02 15:35:05 mmmm..... donuts..... in a car Jun 02 15:35:17 is that like... Snakes on a plane? Jun 02 15:35:33 lets go with.... yes? Jun 02 15:35:49 :o Jun 02 15:36:48 oh god security testing document Jun 02 15:36:52 OF DOOOOOM Jun 02 15:37:01 hmm Jun 02 15:37:22 when are we getting the api for in-app purchasing? Jun 02 15:37:48 in the coming months Jun 02 15:37:53 oh god Jun 02 15:38:06 lolol Jun 02 15:38:18 but it was announced itll be in the EAP Jun 02 15:38:28 so wtf is the hold up Jun 02 15:38:38 oh my god. its being flagged due to mobile redirect on the login page Jun 02 15:38:41 what the hell Jun 02 15:39:39 morning blokes Jun 02 15:40:16 Lone Star Cowboy! Jun 02 15:42:08 Right On Folks! Jun 02 15:43:43 * halfhalo stabs himself Jun 02 15:44:22 * dohtem stabs some more Jun 02 15:44:35 * haeffb_pre kicks halfhalo's lifeless body Jun 02 15:44:51 * halfhalo has coke, he can't die Jun 02 15:46:06 donut Friday? no shit? Jun 02 15:46:11 ah man, he is gone Jun 02 15:47:21 sugardave: they'll mail you a giftcard to Dunkin Donuts weekly :) Jun 02 15:47:35 woo! Jun 02 15:49:30 sugardave: get email? Jun 02 15:50:14 ok, seriously? this is flagging javascript tags again Jun 02 15:51:11 haeffb_pre: I did, haven't looked at it yet....slacking a bit this morning but I"m about to head in Jun 02 15:51:53 oh, no hurry...just wanted to make sure it was getting thru Jun 02 15:51:57 * sugardave prepares to send haeffb's credentials to everyone. Jun 02 15:52:09 ;) Jun 02 15:53:07 that will make almost everyone happy...! Jun 02 15:54:59 did someone say free money?!? Jun 02 16:06:55 good day, y'all. Jun 02 16:07:08 hola Jun 02 16:07:36 holla Jun 02 16:09:54 palm.com RIP Jun 02 16:10:03 morning chuqui Jun 02 16:10:24 good day chuqui Jun 02 16:11:47 chuqui: can we get a mobile -friendly dev forum someday? Jun 02 16:12:02 haeffb_pre: I sure hope so. Jun 02 16:12:18 dundunDUN!!!! Jun 02 16:13:20 hotdp_pre \o/ !!!!! Jun 02 16:13:48 hey haeffb :-) Jun 02 16:14:32 any news? Jun 02 16:16:50 matbee: today. Jun 02 16:19:19 hotdp_pre: touchpad app submission open today Jun 02 16:21:34 ya, that app submissions was nice till Paypal decided they wanted to force me to validate my address. Jun 02 16:22:04 they have to physically mail me a confirmation code .. till then my accnt limited. Paypal sux. Jun 02 16:47:41 nice will submit a touchpad app =) Jun 02 16:47:55 i want a touchpad! now :P Jun 02 16:48:05 get in line Jun 02 16:48:13 * halfhalo cuts in line Jun 02 16:48:19 :P Jun 02 16:49:27 lol Jun 02 17:59:36 So unless you have an active device, you can not see your app reviews? Jun 02 18:00:22 correct for 'up to the minute' Jun 02 18:00:31 ? Jun 02 18:01:51 none of that, there are kids around! Jun 02 18:03:30 can see them as part of catalog rss feeds or site that uses them Jun 02 18:03:59 it appears those haven't been updated in at least 2 months Jun 02 18:05:15 myappbox.com seems to be pretty up to date Jun 02 18:05:31 also sign up for reviewtomail Jun 02 18:06:58 ya, that works too. sends an email every day with new reviews Jun 02 18:07:37 hmm.. I signed up for that a while back but it stopped sending me emails. Jun 02 18:08:05 * dohtem registers again Jun 02 18:09:18 dohtem: how sure are you the reviews didn't just stop comin :P Jun 02 18:09:50 eyote Jun 02 18:20:05 blah, pre+ wants to install 1.4.5.1, need to figure out which patches to remove Jun 02 18:20:14 cant i just opt out Jun 02 18:20:30 nope Jun 02 18:20:44 eventually it will be forced upon you Jun 02 18:22:53 ok so what do i need to remove, the messaging plugin stuff and anything that touches 2 apps? Jun 02 18:30:37 anyone running ecslipse 3.6.2? Jun 02 18:33:08 cxreg: not sure, I don't really patch my device Jun 02 18:33:20 LoneStar99: no, I've got 3.5.something Jun 02 18:34:06 sugardave: ok thanks, i will not install update, do not want to screw things up.. Jun 02 18:53:47 so where's the touchpad now :P? Jun 02 18:53:51 still not in my hands Jun 02 18:56:19 you didn't get yours yet? everyone else has... Jun 02 18:56:30 :> Jun 02 18:57:56 not even able to order it via amazon.com :P Jun 02 19:00:07 no, you don't have to order. HP's predictive purchase technology already knows whether you want one, delivers it and auto-debt your bank account Jun 02 19:00:19 debit Jun 02 19:00:21 cool :) Jun 02 19:00:27 stood auto-correct Jun 02 19:00:31 stoopid Jun 02 19:00:37 i have 8 touchpads Jun 02 19:00:47 auto-incorrect Jun 02 19:00:50 5 of them are making me dinner Jun 02 19:01:04 the other 3 also dont exist Jun 02 19:01:17 mine are making me more touchpads Jun 02 19:01:56 they fucking exist and I'm not able to buy one :P Jun 02 19:02:18 that'd be a hell of a way into the market Jun 02 19:02:26 HP releases a tablet that MAKES TABLETS Jun 02 19:03:09 destroys all competition in volume Jun 02 19:03:12 yo dawg i herd you like tablets Jun 02 19:08:12 apps that invent apps Jun 02 19:10:46 torchie: not that far fetched Jun 02 19:10:51 also, YOU'RE A TORCH! Jun 02 19:10:56 !! Jun 02 19:11:12 if HP beats iOS to the punch on a development environment for webOS on webOS Jun 02 19:11:14 party. Jun 02 19:14:44 that could eaisly be Ares Jun 02 19:23:51 Hello everyone! Jun 02 19:24:01 Just got my Palm Pre Plus today and It's really nice :) Jun 02 19:26:32 anyone know where i can find the enyo.js fle? Jun 02 19:28:39 Question though, my PP+ is from ATT, but I want to upgrade it to 2.1 Jun 02 19:29:01 I've seen the thread on meta doctor and apparently you can't install 2.1 apps Jun 02 19:29:07 Is there a fix for that? Jun 02 19:29:17 Or can I install another carriers offical 2.1 upgrade? Jun 02 19:29:29 LoneStar99: *cough* NDA *cough* :P Jun 02 19:29:45 lol Jun 02 19:30:24 oil: Do you just hang around until someone mentions NDA? :P Jun 02 19:30:33 lol k thanks Jun 02 19:30:41 no Jun 02 19:30:51 i hang around weather people mention it or not Jun 02 19:31:10 oil: I know, I was joking :P Jun 02 19:31:29 Damn I wish we could talk about [REDACTED] on IRC, would make dev so much easier :( Jun 02 19:32:20 hopefully they'll drop it when the device is released this time Jun 02 19:32:27 unlike pre2/webos2.x Jun 02 19:32:55 yeah, they damn well better, coz I'm lost :P Jun 02 19:32:59 * oil has to go back to jury selection in a half hour :( Jun 02 19:33:31 oil: Fun... I can get out of jury duty here as long as I'm still in full time education :D Jun 02 19:33:40 YOU MEAN THE PALM PRE 3!? Jun 02 19:33:41 meh Jun 02 19:33:42 lol Jun 02 19:34:45 edude03: there is no official 2.x for pre plus on att Jun 02 19:34:49 the metadoc is the only way Jun 02 19:35:10 oil: Thanks :) I'm aware of that Jun 02 19:35:26 But it seems weird that I can't just "cross flash" Jun 02 19:35:36 Since having a 1.4.5 profile sounds like a glitch Jun 02 19:36:24 * oil still runs 145 on his main device Jun 02 19:36:59 I mean, I'm running some european carrier's Gingerbread update on my galaxy S Jun 02 19:37:05 Works perfect :) Jun 02 19:37:20 So I don't understand what this profile bug is :/ Jun 02 19:37:55 well first of all, forget everything you know about android, because nothing on webos is the same Jun 02 19:37:55 haha Jun 02 19:38:13 Yeah Jun 02 19:39:02 Also Jun 02 19:39:09 This phone is new out of the box but Jun 02 19:39:40 Its been on for 2 hours, and the battery dropped oh 40 something percent Jun 02 19:39:48 dont think it comes full Jun 02 19:39:50 Should I be worried or is that normal for first use Jun 02 19:39:54 I doubt it too Jun 02 19:40:02 But it says 88% when I turned it on Jun 02 19:40:26 idk, my battery usually lasts all day Jun 02 19:40:29 So I was like cool thanks Palm but it seems like that was a lie Jun 02 19:40:37 but only after i stoped turning it on to check it out every 5 mins Jun 02 19:41:29 LOL Jun 02 19:41:34 That might be my problem Jun 02 19:41:49 and i got gps off and my screen brightness almost all the way down Jun 02 19:42:09 doesnt look as good but makes the battery last longer Jun 02 19:42:16 Oh Jun 02 19:42:22 What in the back cover? Jun 02 19:42:31 i should check the battery of the pre2 with the sim in.... Jun 02 19:42:35 Touchstone antenna or something? Jun 02 19:43:00 I do know the focus will last fooooooooorrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvveeeeeerrrrrr Jun 02 19:43:11 Damn I've been on 'droid so long I forgot what it was like to be a noob Jun 02 19:43:18 heh Jun 02 19:43:19 I have a million question T_T' Jun 02 19:43:30 step 1: enable devmode Jun 02 19:43:33 step 2: install preware Jun 02 19:43:41 step 4: profit Jun 02 19:43:46 LOL! Jun 02 19:43:54 Not going to ask what happened to step 3 but OK Jun 02 19:44:03 So yeah whats in the back cover~ Jun 02 19:44:04 sold it for drugs Jun 02 19:44:09 step 3 is always "???" Jun 02 19:44:25 the matte back cover has the touchstone stuff in it Jun 02 19:44:32 oil: Unless there's >4 steps. Step n-1 is always ????? Jun 02 19:44:35 :P Jun 02 19:44:53 right Jun 02 19:45:10 Yeah the back is matte Jun 02 19:45:27 I though you had to buy the touchstone back was an add on Jun 02 19:45:33 yeah, only the original pre- has glossy Jun 02 19:45:40 without touchstone back Jun 02 19:45:49 ever since then they've all been the matte touchstone back Jun 02 19:46:06 you just need the puck Jun 02 19:46:42 anyways, back to jury selection i go :/ Jun 02 19:46:53 just say guilty Jun 02 19:47:10 he's innocent until the state proves hes guilty Jun 02 19:47:23 guilty gets you out faster Jun 02 19:47:28 not really Jun 02 19:47:30 /me wants a matte display on the TouchPad. Jun 02 19:47:39 you still have go to through the entire trial Jun 02 19:47:50 you only deliberate/come to a verdict at the end Jun 02 19:48:04 thats the long way Jun 02 19:48:07 you can't just pipe up in the middle and end it haha Jun 02 19:48:18 sure you can! Jun 02 19:48:26 "Is this a death penalty case?" Letterman's favorite way to get out of jury duty Jun 02 19:48:36 * oil waits for recording of halfhalos first time at jury duty where he does that Jun 02 19:48:50 ryanwatkins: sometimes I think I'll never replace my thinkpad because of the matte 4:3 screen Jun 02 19:48:58 * oil bbl Jun 02 19:49:34 using a xoom the last few days, glossy display fairly annoying when trying to read Jun 02 19:49:46 get over it :P Jun 02 19:50:13 much like Lion and Windows 8 - world is moving on from what *I* want. Jun 02 19:50:17 that's why I'm still all about e-ink Jun 02 19:50:25 and kde Jun 02 19:51:44 I need a puck right now !!! Jun 02 19:51:44 Also Jun 02 19:51:56 I'm very impressed, the Pre works in my basement Jun 02 19:52:07 None of my non-blackberry phones work in the basement Jun 02 19:52:11 * haeffb want's the Pre+ matte back on the touchpd Jun 02 19:52:24 and the blackberries only work because of wifi calling Jun 02 19:52:26 wow~ Jun 02 19:53:40 * haeffb being attacked by Roomba Jun 02 19:54:01 oops, no, saved by the ottoman - roomba couldn't get thru Jun 02 19:55:29 * halfhalo is waiting for ups guy Jun 02 21:02:56 Hmm Jun 02 21:03:02 I'm running web doctor Jun 02 21:03:15 It says cpnnect the phone via USB and I did Jun 02 21:03:21 But I can't click next :/ Jun 02 21:03:31 Is there some special USB mode? Jun 02 21:27:54 edude03: You still stuck with the doctor? Jun 02 21:28:01 I got it now Jun 02 21:28:09 I put it in recovery mode and it worked :) Jun 02 21:28:17 But yeah I was stuck with webdoc Jun 02 21:29:06 thought you'd probably have found the solution by now, but just wanted to make sure Jun 02 21:29:33 * Popple3 returns to this dead-end app Jun 02 21:30:01 Oh Jun 02 21:30:12 What lang do we use to write webos apps anyway? Jun 02 21:30:18 I might do a bit of devving Jun 02 21:30:23 and what are you making Popple3 Jun 02 21:30:24 ? Jun 02 21:30:27 html+css+magic Jun 02 21:30:39 neither of those are coding langs :) Jun 02 21:30:44 But The magic well Jun 02 21:30:50 edude03: It's a secret :P Jun 02 21:30:53 I hope magic = .js or .c or .cpp Jun 02 21:31:17 js for straight mojo apps, c for plugins/hybrids Jun 02 21:31:42 by hybrids I assume you mean high performace stuff like on android amirite Jun 02 21:31:59 edude03: Apps that use js for front end, and c for backend Jun 02 21:32:10 Yeah Jun 02 21:32:19 theres also pure c apps in the pdk Jun 02 21:32:26 I'm so excited :D Jun 02 21:32:30 I want a new phone already :| Jun 02 21:32:44 Oh Jun 02 21:32:53 ello Jun 02 21:32:56 Overclocking kernel: I find the PP+ pretty slow Jun 02 21:33:02 cwayne1: harro Jun 02 21:33:11 Compared to my fire breathing 1Ghz galaxy Jun 02 21:33:15 any ideas where on filesystem to find a SQLite database created thru javascript in Chrome? on Ubuntu? Jun 02 21:33:18 Is overclocking the way to go? Jun 02 21:33:20 Popple3: lulz Jun 02 21:33:39 pre can hit 1GHz just fine Jun 02 21:34:08 how can i automatically run a function periodically every x minutes within webos? basically make my app do a cron job Jun 02 21:34:11 haeffb: no idea, dunno where chrome stores sql stuffs Jun 02 21:36:05 cwayne1: setTimeout(function, timeinms); Jun 02 21:36:09 no Jun 02 21:36:11 not setTimeout Jun 02 21:36:14 setInterval Jun 02 21:37:19 Popple3: i love you. Jun 02 21:37:24 halfhalo: Yeah I've seen some kernels Jun 02 21:37:25 cwayne1: <3 Jun 02 21:37:45 Just wondering if its a good idea Jun 02 21:37:52 Or if there is a better way to make it smooth Jun 02 21:38:11 i ran them on both my pre- and +, and they work Jun 02 21:38:29 halfhalo: me too, and google's not helping Jun 02 21:41:29 What the hell ma Jun 02 21:41:30 n Jun 02 21:41:42 It's been setting language for like 10 minutes now :/ Jun 02 21:54:12 finally! webos3.0 SDK is coming my way :) Jun 02 21:54:38 * sugardave pretends he didn't see that. Jun 02 21:55:18 that it exists is public I'm sure :) Jun 02 21:56:14 seeing as its the big huge image on developer.palm.com ya .. but not that *you* have it. but as to who care about that .. only other developers concerned about the legal nuances of the NDA. Jun 02 21:56:52 and those who work for HP Jun 02 21:56:53 well, other developers and HP Jun 02 21:56:59 ya, you think they care? Jun 02 21:57:10 yeah, I do Jun 02 21:57:11 some of them pretend they don't see stuff Jun 02 21:57:34 HP wouldn't have an NDA if they didn't care about it Jun 02 21:58:15 Im sure they care about the NDA, but I'm also fairly sure they dont care that someone in the IRC channel made a comment they are in the dev program. Jun 02 22:00:07 like on 'the wire' -- you can sit on your stoop drinkin if its in a brown paper bag. technically illegal, but both sides accept it as ok. Jun 02 22:02:20 well, the NDA says you're not supposed to talk about it Jun 02 22:02:25 as I understand it Jun 02 22:02:27 yep it does Jun 02 22:02:38 so, you know, don't talk about it :) Jun 02 22:04:44 wth is this window not updating text?! bitches Jun 02 22:05:04 lol Jun 02 22:05:26 I think people just like talking about what the NDA technically covers rather than actually caring what is being discussed. Jun 02 22:07:01 well, I mean, that may be true. I just tend to take the stance that it's better to be more cautious than not Jun 02 22:07:47 maybe i'm just the kinda person that might actually cut the tag off my mattress, and others dont because .. "it says not to!" Jun 02 22:08:10 only if you're going to sell it :D Jun 02 22:08:14 :) Jun 02 22:10:58 see, I wouldn't, because I don't know if I'll need it later Jun 02 22:11:10 ryanwatkins: I just made my little quip because part of the NDA club is you're not supposed to tell people you're in the NDA club....I'm not endorsing that clause or anything, it just is Jun 02 22:11:49 in the same way, it doesn't make sense to me to push the boundaries of an NDA, because there might be a time in the future where it'll be beneficial for me not to have pushed those boundaries Jun 02 22:12:30 sure, its just those little quips chill attempts by developers to work together on 3.0 issues. Jun 02 22:13:34 no, they chill attempts by developers to work together on 3.0 issues in places where it's against NDA to do so Jun 02 22:13:41 if anyone wants to work with me on issues that I can't discuss in here, open a private dialog... Not that I'm in fight club or anything like that. Jun 02 22:13:45 I understand...but there is a different forum for doing that right now. I know it's inefficient, trust me....I've had to bite my tongue a million times in here Jun 02 22:13:53 from what I've gathered, there are places palm allows discussion Jun 02 22:14:36 sure, talking in public about the details of the 3.0 SDK is likely a bad idea, but a private conversation .. come on. Jun 02 22:14:42 granted Jun 02 22:14:52 private conversations seem more reasonable Jun 02 22:15:33 I don't think there's anything anyone can do to police private conversations between two people who have somehow found out they are both part of the program Jun 02 22:15:37 but hey, if you cant actually mention you might be in the program it makes it significantly harder to have those private conversations. Jun 02 22:15:45 sure Jun 02 22:15:50 it's a pickle Jun 02 22:16:06 mmmm, pickles Jun 02 22:16:26 so what exactly do you gain by saying "hey, dont talk about the NDA/SDK?" Jun 02 22:16:44 that your even in it or it exists? Jun 02 22:17:04 yes, its the agreement, but really .. what is gained by you speaking up about it? Jun 02 22:17:48 a good-faith effort so that HP doesn't at some point in the future to be significantly more stringent about it Jun 02 22:18:20 i doubt that premise, but I guess we'll agree to disagree. Jun 02 22:18:47 again, maybe I'm just being more guarded, it's similar to the mattress tag for me Jun 02 22:18:57 I'm not trying to gain anything, it's a reminder how easy it is to technically violate it. I would never try to get someone kicked out of the program for slipping up, but being lax about it leads to laziness and potential disregard...which could possibly hurt everyone in the program should HP decide to get hardcore about enforcing it Jun 02 22:19:10 "maybe, at some point in the future, this'll help outcomes I desire" Jun 02 22:19:53 ya, I think screenshots on media outlets is a bigger concern than actual developers mentioning they happen to be in the program. But ok. Jun 02 22:20:41 ryanwatkins: I agree with you Jun 02 22:21:23 I do too, generally Jun 02 22:22:06 sure. but its alot easier to jump on someone here that mentions they have the SDK, than do something about the bigger leaks. Jun 02 22:23:19 given the incredible importance of app development for the platform itd be good to refrain from clamping down on the actual developers and target the media outlets and public discussions. Jun 02 22:23:22 well, I wasn't trying to jump them :) he just happened to be the last thing in my window when I finally got back around to checking it Jun 02 22:23:26 making an off-handed comment about pretending not to see someone slipping about the NDA is not "jumping on" someone. Jun 02 22:23:37 I consider it a friendly reminder Jun 02 22:23:43 sugardave: are you still using webirc... Jun 02 22:23:57 halfhalo: no, had to use non-ssl port on freenode to access it from here Jun 02 22:24:12 suuuure Jun 02 22:24:20 for realsies Jun 02 22:27:26 The mattress tag says "DO NOT REMOVE UNTIL DELIVERED TO CUSTOMER" though Jun 02 22:27:35 heh :) Jun 02 22:27:41 * halfhalo has new knife Jun 02 22:27:44 so you can remove your own mattress tag assuming you're not going to sell it Jun 02 22:27:53 depends on how old the mattress Jun 02 22:28:18 * ryanwatkins is old. Jun 02 22:28:36 With a name like ryanwatkins you're probably over 900 :| Jun 02 22:29:01 when I buy a touchpad, I'm gonna have to completely change my habit of swiping up to access the app-chooser Jun 02 22:29:11 * edude03 is kidding Jun 02 22:30:47 Summatusmentis: I didn't think of that… that'd suck. I have problems with that on android and my iPad, so... Jun 02 22:30:58 * ryanwatkins missed that because he clicked 'clear' at the wrong time. Jun 02 22:31:40 Good good :) Jun 02 22:33:42 ctbeiser: it's gonna bug me to no end, I'm gonna have to get used to hitting the arrow :( Jun 02 22:33:53 although the "dock" looks bigger, so I can have more shortcuts Jun 02 22:34:02 theoretically Jun 02 22:35:02 Summatusmentis: The arrow sucks. Although, I do like that the pictures they release, it looks like it'll be consistant with the little grey circles that are supposed to be under the icons of every app that's not based on a diamond, like the preferences, but aren't even under all the things like google maps. Jun 02 22:35:03 it's really unfortunate all these devices are coming out this summer, I don't have the cash for them right now Jun 02 22:35:23 do a device tear-down - that brings in the cash :) Jun 02 22:35:29 haha Jun 02 22:35:38 have to have a device to tear-down first :) Jun 02 22:36:00 maybe I can justify one of them as a graduation gift to myself Jun 02 22:36:15 or maybe a getting-into-grad-school gift >.> Jun 02 22:36:17 dude, you should be able to justify ANYTHING as a gift to yourself :D Jun 02 22:36:30 I mean, yes :) Jun 02 22:37:08 thats what i do! Jun 02 22:38:08 well, that, and bribes/blaclmail Jun 02 22:38:57 still gotta have the money to do so :) Jun 02 22:40:20 wait, what? this api only supports json for some things? Jun 02 22:50:27 What something neat I can do with the PP+? Jun 02 22:53:19 I only have a pre-, but there are all sorts of neat things Jun 02 22:53:35 my favorite so far is probably ampache streaming my entire music collection to my phone Jun 02 22:54:07 Pre minus eh :P Jun 02 22:55:37 yeh, my plan with sprint is too nice to give up Jun 02 22:55:49 and I used to be able to claim that I was a poor college student Jun 02 22:55:53 now I'm just poor Jun 02 22:56:17 lol Jun 02 22:56:41 in september I can start claiming to be a poor grad student Jun 02 22:56:45 :P Jun 02 23:03:32 my god, lcd screen cleaner + the pre2 is uber sexy sexy time Jun 02 23:04:26 Sickness Jun 02 23:04:39 When I doctored my phone it was put in dev mode already Jun 02 23:11:02 Hey thanks oil got pre ware and it's pretty neat :) Jun 02 23:11:08 Now to find stuff to install Jun 02 23:11:28 :) Jun 02 23:11:41 lol Jun 02 23:11:45 "preware is pretty neat" is like saying "the taj mahal is a nice house" Jun 02 23:11:51 heh Jun 02 23:11:58 well it is! Jun 02 23:11:59 heh Jun 02 23:12:28 * haeffb finds that mojo habits are hard to break Jun 02 23:12:29 Well, it's a package manager Jun 02 23:12:46 After using debian and other forms of linux Jun 02 23:12:55 using a PM on my phone isn't exciting Jun 02 23:12:59 Also, Cydia Jun 02 23:14:41 preware is shinier Jun 02 23:14:49 and open source. and made with unicorns Jun 02 23:15:16 not like anyone ever submits patches to preware, lol Jun 02 23:15:24 one time a guy forked it, and got a bunch of shit Jun 02 23:15:37 hah, why'd he fork? Jun 02 23:15:58 he said he was going to make all sorts of improvements to it, load faster, etc, etc Jun 02 23:16:05 only thing he changed was the name, to "Installer" Jun 02 23:16:07 You know you've been using too much github when you think fork is a good thing :P Jun 02 23:16:17 made the dark theme default Jun 02 23:16:29 and removed "package(s)" from the rows in the main list Jun 02 23:16:46 lol Jun 02 23:17:43 Hmm Jun 02 23:17:51 I want a patch to make the phone lock when closed Jun 02 23:18:42 crazy cat lady! Jun 02 23:20:47 You rang? Jun 02 23:22:12 not you, Adora Jun 02 23:23:03 LOL! Jun 02 23:23:10 Crazy cat ladies have palms? Jun 02 23:23:12 That's worring Jun 02 23:24:15 better than androids Jun 02 23:24:28 crazy cat ladies with robots would be infinitely worse Jun 02 23:24:30 crazy cat lady works for palm Jun 02 23:24:43 LOL~ Jun 02 23:24:50 Now I know who to ask for a Pre3 :D Jun 02 23:25:01 like that will work Jun 02 23:25:17 yeah, already tried Jun 02 23:25:23 she threw a cat at me Jun 02 23:25:28 Adora: thank's for verifying my last update so fast! I really appriated it. Jun 02 23:25:35 though she did give me a free pre2 Jun 02 23:25:38 suckup Jun 02 23:25:40 ... at devdays Jun 02 23:25:51 halfhalo: I meant it, actually Jun 02 23:25:58 I better go to dev days :D Jun 02 23:26:03 :p Jun 02 23:26:16 If a badass WebOS phone comes out I might avtually seriously get into this platform Jun 02 23:26:26 Especially since I am a webdev already anyway Jun 02 23:26:32 Programming for this would be a breeze Jun 02 23:27:02 edude03: it's better than what you'd expect from web programming in general Jun 02 23:27:18 Good to hear :) Jun 02 23:29:00 yeah Jun 02 23:29:04 like... single browser Jun 02 23:29:10 if it works, it always works Jun 02 23:29:27 In my world the only browser is chrome Jun 02 23:29:36 then you're a lazy webdev Jun 02 23:29:37 So I never had problems :) Jun 02 23:30:11 Oh sure, Safari and IE exists, but if you use those browsers you're not good enough to use my sites Jun 02 23:30:29 No lazy just underpaid Jun 02 23:30:33 *not Jun 02 23:30:33 oh hai, its the rest of the internet! Jun 02 23:31:23 where o where is ups.... Jun 02 23:31:25 oh hai teh internet Jun 02 23:32:17 * halfhalo wants his knifes already Jun 02 23:32:35 remember, its across not down Jun 02 23:32:49 er, the other way i mean Jun 02 23:32:52 lol Jun 02 23:32:54 * oil screwed up that joke Jun 02 23:33:02 throwing knifes thankyouverymuch Jun 02 23:34:07 Is there a default orientation for the TouchPad? Landscape or portrait? Jun 02 23:37:28 * oil doesnt know Jun 02 23:37:40 i would assume you should support both equally Jun 02 23:39:17 I know it works either way, but you know how the iPad kinda assumes portrait? Jun 02 23:39:25 hard to explain Jun 02 23:39:26 i dont Jun 02 23:39:46 i never use the ipad portrait, always landscape Jun 02 23:40:02 http://www.apple.com/ipad/ <- every picture has it in portrait mode Jun 02 23:40:49 Landscape Jun 02 23:41:53 does the home screen or whatever they call it rotate? Jun 02 23:41:53 you sure? Jun 02 23:42:01 oil: it does Jun 02 23:42:17 if an app did not work both ways i would not use it Jun 02 23:42:26 save for video stuff Jun 02 23:42:29 lol Jun 02 23:45:38 Too hard to tell Jun 02 23:45:47 Could be either Jun 02 23:49:15 * haeffb will use my TouchPad in oblique mode Jun 02 23:49:38 neither portrait or landscape. Sorta rotated and angled away from me Jun 02 23:49:38 cross eyed bastard Jun 02 23:50:00 or like the dude in the demo video from yesterday Jun 02 23:50:20 holding it pointed away from me Jun 02 23:50:33 wierd that video got a lot of press... havent we seen all that before? Jun 02 23:50:38 so the world can see I'm not using an iPad Jun 02 23:50:59 I didn't see it Jun 02 23:52:17 DocLee: http://www.precentral.net/sandisk-shows-people-app-touchpad-latest-webos-3-0-build-computex-video Jun 02 23:52:38 precentral won't load completely for me. Must be because Dieter is leaving Jun 02 23:52:58 he taking his power strips back Jun 02 23:57:03 heh Jun 03 00:03:11 Hmm is there a way to force / manually install /sideload apps? Jun 03 00:03:30 I want to install grooveshark on my doctored pre but it's saying my OS isn't new enough :/ Jun 03 00:04:07 Which is wrong because GS supports1.4.5 and up Jun 03 00:06:45 Wait it requires 2.1.0 woops but I'm running that anyway Jun 03 00:46:13 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2613774 Jun 03 00:46:15 ruh roh Jun 03 00:47:57 * Loudergood checks his email archive to see if he's ever actually bought anything from sony Jun 03 00:53:23 Is it possible for someone running legit webOS 2 to download grooveshark and pull it off their phone for me? Jun 03 00:53:45 There is some cracked versions floating around but since I'm a paid subscriber I don't want to touch those :P Jun 03 01:55:45 Hello, I was hoping for some help. Is anyone using the latest PDK on a non-Ubuntu linux machine? Thanks in advance Jun 03 01:59:06 just use a Ubuntu VM. Jun 03 01:59:29 Linux OS version is just a tool. Focus on your goal, not the tools :) Jun 03 02:00:44 Hmm… Does anyone have pictures of a tear down of a touchstone dock? Jun 03 02:02:37 I do not believe in tearing it down, but "tearing it up"! Jun 03 02:02:39 lol Jun 03 02:03:02 SineOt: yes, I've got shots of a touchstone teardown Jun 03 02:03:30 LoneStar99: I realized my truck has an empty access panel on the dash that's easy to pop off Jun 03 02:03:37 and installing a touchstone in there would be awesome Jun 03 02:03:40 SineOt: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/220862-touchstone-surgery.html Jun 03 02:04:32 rwhitby, I have thought about that, but the thought of the pdk tool kit in a virtual machine on a dated version of ubunt within a virtual machine on my base OS just seems a bit much Jun 03 02:05:32 why is there two levels of virtual machines? Jun 03 02:05:38 SineOt: sweet! Jun 03 02:06:22 the linux pdk-sdk requires virtualbox Jun 03 02:06:42 yep, just run that on your base OS Jun 03 02:07:07 rwhitby: Are they posted to your flickr? Jun 03 02:07:23 SineOt: link is in the first post of that thread Jun 03 02:08:27 Ah, missed the link, derp Jun 03 02:18:30 Hmm… rwhitby: how delicate did you think the internals were? Jun 03 02:18:46 the wires to the coil are pretty fragile Jun 03 02:18:59 normal chinese soldering Jun 03 02:21:44 not to poo poo the idea but does your truck ride smooth enough to not knock your device off of a touchstone? Jun 03 02:21:59 My car does. Jun 03 02:22:25 I wish I had a spot to mount a touchstone in my car, alas there isn't one that does it cleanly Jun 03 02:22:43 bartholemew: yeah Jun 03 02:22:50 my console has a good spot but i'd be nervous about having it on the dash Jun 03 02:23:00 yeah I couldn't really find a good spot for it, but then I realized that this panel pulled off Jun 03 02:23:14 It's next to the center air vents and from looking in, it's hallow behind Jun 03 02:23:14 I put an unmodified touchstone in a cellphone holder connected to the air vent. Jun 03 02:23:22 which would be a good place to hide all the wiring for it Jun 03 02:23:33 now thats an idea... Jun 03 02:24:06 mount the touchstone vertically, with the cable coming out the bottom, and then the device is at a good angle for viewing and stability Jun 03 02:24:09 At worst… I just buy a few magnets on Ebay and mount them behind the panel and make a non charging "touch stone" Jun 03 02:24:40 ^ still pretty cool Jun 03 02:29:09 I'm also debating getting a bluetooth A2DP adapter and wiring it into the stereo Jun 03 02:29:15 Could easily hide it behind the panel as well Jun 03 02:29:26 which happens to be touchstone sized I might add Jun 03 02:29:42 meh, not a huge fan of a2dp for my car stuff Jun 03 02:29:57 ends up being distorted more than I care for Jun 03 02:32:46 Hmm. I'd love to just have something I wouldn't need to plug in **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 03 02:59:57 2011