**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 03 02:59:57 2011
Jun 03 03:07:13 <ajay> damn, did a comm board swap and now my "old" phone isn't active on a palm profile anymore.. why?! silly palm.  I don't want to have to logout!
Jun 03 03:07:50 <ajay> Oh, and hi!  (PS: says the why was semi-rhetorical :)
Jun 03 03:08:58 <rwhitby> delete the account using Impostah before you use the profile on a new device
Jun 03 03:10:57 <ajay> rwhitby: I want to keep using it on the same device
Jun 03 03:11:20 <ajay> err, i guess the "old" phone is technically a "new" device tho.. (because of the new comm board)
Jun 03 03:12:31 <rwhitby> correct
Jun 03 03:14:42 <ajay> i only realized this issue because i went to update one of the free apps in the "old" device and it notified me, you said to delete before using, does that mean it's too late?
Jun 03 03:15:18 <ajay> Oh!  Or maybe i can use impostah on one of the devices, and login to my profile with it?
Jun 03 03:15:38 <ajay> (you said to use impostah before, is why i ask if its too late..)
Jun 03 03:15:39 <edude03> oh man Preware has said "complete !" with a spinning wheel for like 15-20 minutes :/
Jun 03 03:15:47 <ajay> happens
Jun 03 03:16:21 <edude03> really needs a progress bar
Jun 03 03:16:28 <ajay> i've had preware stop while it was doing things a number of times.  I think in the beginning closing it would cause problems, but lately i don't think it has..
Jun 03 03:16:39 <edude03> I assume it's doing something but the spinning wheel doesn't tell the user much
Jun 03 03:16:50 <ajay> i used to assume that.  now i assume it's not.
Jun 03 03:17:26 <edude03> So you think I should close it :/
Jun 03 03:18:13 <ajay> if you're paranoid, backup first*, but basically: yes. i can't really imagine that it's doing anything.
Jun 03 03:18:48 <ajay> * granted your backup may not include your saved packages list since you're supposed to update that from preware first, but..!
Jun 03 03:19:18 <edude03> It basically happens whenever I open it
Jun 03 03:19:24 <summatusmentis> edude03: when I try to install sdl terminal from preware, it says it's fully downloaded, but never completes installing
Jun 03 03:19:31 <ajay> edude03: everytime?
Jun 03 03:19:45 <edude03> Well I'm on the fourth attempt now
Jun 03 03:19:55 <ajay> oh
Jun 03 03:20:00 <edude03> But it says downloading packages loading package information
Jun 03 03:20:04 <edude03> complete!
Jun 03 03:20:11 <edude03> And just sits there once it hits complete
Jun 03 03:21:10 <ajay> i wonder if you asked in #webos-internals if you'd get better debugging, but being not-so-familiar with preware internals i'd give you the default answer: un/reinstall..
Jun 03 03:21:47 <edude03> Noob question: How do I uninstall it :s
Jun 03 03:22:13 <summatusmentis> given that rwhitby is both here and #webos-internals, I think your chances are about the same :)
Jun 03 03:22:21 <edude03> hey isn't rwhitby the founder of preware :P
Jun 03 03:22:25 <edude03> Yeah :P
Jun 03 03:23:02 <edude03> nevermind
Jun 03 03:23:15 <edude03> Didn't think it would show up in software manager :P
Jun 03 03:23:24 <ajay> summatusmentis: well sure, but.. :)  i was trying to ask him some more q's and he hasn't responded yet, so i figure he might have gotten busy doing something else, and maybe someone else in #w-i can answer.. :)
Jun 03 03:23:38 <ajay> edude03: For future reference you can orange key-tap on an icon in the launcher
Jun 03 03:23:42 <summatusmentis> ajay: that may be true
Jun 03 03:24:10 <edude03> Well I'm on a PP+
Jun 03 03:24:17 <edude03> So I assume you mean alt key?
Jun 03 03:24:31 * halfhalo hearts orange button
Jun 03 03:24:41 <ajay> white key, same diff :)  yeah, i'm on a PP+ (err, Pre2 now) but i just like the idea of the orange button.. :)
Jun 03 03:24:59 <ajay> i'll blame HP for the loss of the orange key even though it's before they were in the picture. :)
Jun 03 03:25:12 <edude03> If anyone wants to get rid of their PP2 for a reasonable price I'm interested :p
Jun 03 03:25:28 <ajay> edude03: what's reasonable? :)
Jun 03 03:25:31 <halfhalo> i will sell mine for one bajillion dollars
Jun 03 03:25:55 <ajay> oh, if halfhalo is the unreasonable price, then i can def come up with a reasonable price (by comparison :)
Jun 03 03:26:05 <summatusmentis> if the rumors are true, I'm waiting for the Pre3 on sprint
Jun 03 03:26:08 <ajay> I have an extra PP2 on Vz..
Jun 03 03:26:18 <edude03> I need a GSM one :P
Jun 03 03:26:39 <edude03> yay
Jun 03 03:26:42 <ajay> Damn I just sold my GSM one, my friend thinks i should have given him the vz one because he didn't care
Jun 03 03:26:44 <summatusmentis> edude03: comms boards are compatible
Jun 03 03:26:45 <edude03> Un/reinstall worked
Jun 03 03:26:53 <edude03> :|
Jun 03 03:27:02 <edude03> THE PRE HAS SWAPABLE MODEMS!?!
Jun 03 03:27:05 <ajay> edude03: It often does, i just hate recommending that as a strategy..
Jun 03 03:27:14 * edude03 just came
Jun 03 03:27:15 <summatusmentis> edude03: among pre-, pre+, and pre2, yes
Jun 03 03:27:31 <ajay> my friend did a comm board swap from his Sprint Palm Pre to a GSM Pre2, so now he has a Sprint Pre2 :)
Jun 03 03:27:36 <summatusmentis> assuming you're ok doing meta-doctoring, and voiding your warranty
Jun 03 03:27:40 <edude03> Actually I knew that
Jun 03 03:27:45 <edude03> no big deal
Jun 03 03:27:53 <summatusmentis> right
Jun 03 03:28:01 <edude03> They call Michael-voids-warrenties-for-breakfast-francis
Jun 03 03:28:03 <summatusmentis> so, you know, just get any pre2, and swap your comms board
Jun 03 03:28:08 <edude03> edude03 for short
Jun 03 03:28:59 <halfhalo> I usually end up opening the box and voiding the warranty within 30 minutes
Jun 03 03:29:07 <halfhalo> on mobile devices, at least
Jun 03 03:29:17 <ajay> hm, i have FireFox spoofing as Opera, and Verizon's careers website says "This site does not support the Safari browser".. double fail big red
Jun 03 03:29:24 <edude03> ajay: How much you want for the Pre2?
Jun 03 03:29:27 <ajay> halfhalo: wow! :)
Jun 03 03:29:40 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: really? by doing what?
Jun 03 03:29:52 <ajay> edude03: I'm broke right now (and got robbed on fri) so i don't think i'm your best bet for a 'reasonable' price, u'
Jun 03 03:29:58 <halfhalo> just poking around, seeing what its doing
Jun 03 03:29:58 <ajay> i'm hoping to sell it for eBay prices, whatever those are
Jun 03 03:30:06 <edude03> Holy crap
Jun 03 03:30:08 <summatusmentis> for a pre2? ~$200
Jun 03 03:30:11 <summatusmentis> from what I can see
Jun 03 03:30:12 <edude03> How'd you get robbed :/
Jun 03 03:30:18 <halfhalo> but unlike SOME people, I don't brick my devices right after i get them
Jun 03 03:30:28 <summatusmentis> :-D
Jun 03 03:30:31 <ajay> edude03: backpack stolen out of car.. i think that counts as robbery
Jun 03 03:30:38 <edude03> oh
Jun 03 03:30:41 <ajay> I see ATT Pre+'s selling for ~$200 on Ebay
Jun 03 03:30:54 <edude03> I got a BNIB pre+ for 120 unlocked
Jun 03 03:30:57 <ajay> But I've seen pre2's on craigslist for around $200
Jun 03 03:31:28 * halfhalo has to many sharp objects to be robbed/mugged most of the time
Jun 03 03:32:00 <edude03> wow
Jun 03 03:32:03 <edude03> Took only 6 hours
Jun 03 03:32:09 <edude03> but I got grooveshark installed
Jun 03 03:32:19 <edude03> Thanks for helping me assholes >_<'
Jun 03 03:32:24 <edude03> Kidding, I love you guys :P
Jun 03 03:32:28 <halfhalo> your welcome!
Jun 03 03:32:41 <summatusmentis> grooveshark just became a hybrid right?
Jun 03 03:32:44 <edude03> Yeah
Jun 03 03:33:05 <summatusmentis> I guess that's sorta neat
Jun 03 03:33:13 <edude03> The performance of the PP+ is really inconsistent
Jun 03 03:33:26 <edude03> Sometimes it flies but sometimes it starts lagging for no apparent reason
Jun 03 03:33:35 <summatusmentis> should try uberkernel/govnah/compcache
Jun 03 03:33:46 * halfhalo is one of those webos people who doesn't actually use a webos device as a main device
Jun 03 03:34:01 <summatusmentis> wait, why?
Jun 03 03:34:01 <edude03> Better have a droid as your main halfhalo :P
Jun 03 03:34:15 <edude03> I think I'm going to install uberkernel
Jun 03 03:34:19 <edude03> But what are those other things :/
Jun 03 03:34:43 <halfhalo> before? was using epic until i ditched sprint.  When i went to att i picked up a winphone7 to mess with, and the superamoled + zune means its my main device
Jun 03 03:34:54 <summatusmentis> govnah lets you actually set the overclocking
Jun 03 03:35:05 <summatusmentis> compcache is basically a swap file
Jun 03 03:35:06 <halfhalo> but right now I carry the focus + pre2, wheras before I had the epic and zune and pre2
Jun 03 03:35:08 <ajay> edude03: sorry to say, i have the same experience with the Pre2
Jun 03 03:35:08 <summatusmentis> as I understand it
Jun 03 03:35:34 <summatusmentis> good lord, I switched to webos so I could stop carrying so many devices
Jun 03 03:35:41 <ajay> rwhitby: you disappear?
Jun 03 03:35:49 <edude03> halfhalo: Eh praise be to SAMOLED but the WP7 makes me iffy
Jun 03 03:36:03 <edude03> Hmm
Jun 03 03:36:08 <halfhalo> I like winphone7, its nice, but i do miss my webos
Jun 03 03:36:15 <edude03> bu the PP+ has 512mb ram that should be enough for anything :
Jun 03 03:36:16 <edude03> :/
Jun 03 03:36:30 <summatusmentis> winphone7 seems nice, from a gui perspective
Jun 03 03:36:32 <ajay> edude03: is your name bill gates?
Jun 03 03:36:34 <SineOt> I'm kind of iffy on Windows 8 cloning so much from WP7
Jun 03 03:37:00 <SineOt> Since something that works on a small screen under one thumb just seems awkward if you blow it up to a 24" screen
Jun 03 03:37:09 <halfhalo> oh, yeah, windows 8 is iffy for me as well right now... i just dont know
Jun 03 03:37:11 <edude03> ajay: Well My Galaxy has 512mb, 300 avaible to the os
Jun 03 03:37:20 <edude03> And it consistently shits lightning and thunder
Jun 03 03:37:26 <summatusmentis> SineOt: an initial review seems to look on it favorably
Jun 03 03:37:27 <ajay> huh..
Jun 03 03:37:28 <halfhalo> but then again, i didn't know how well it would work as a mobile interface as well, and it does work
Jun 03 03:37:36 <edude03> true the CPU is faster
Jun 03 03:37:49 <edude03> But still I have no problems with 300mb of usable ram over there
Jun 03 03:38:08 <ajay> i wonder if RAM usage would explain the times when my pre2 is laggin..
Jun 03 03:38:09 <summatusmentis> my pre- works pretty well OCd at 1ghz w/ the screen on
Jun 03 03:38:15 <summatusmentis> I should really fix the compcache settings
Jun 03 03:38:28 <edude03> What's the battery life like?
Jun 03 03:38:37 <ajay> any pre2 folks in here?  are you running stock kernel or..?
Jun 03 03:38:39 <summatusmentis> works pretty well, if I don't do too much on it
Jun 03 03:38:48 <halfhalo> i run all my devices stock
Jun 03 03:38:52 <ajay> the cpu scaling feature of the pre's default kernel seems cool, maybe the uberkernel does all that and more?
Jun 03 03:38:59 <ajay> s/pre/pre2/
Jun 03 03:38:59 <summatusmentis> edude03: when I'm using it heavily (streaming on ampache, as an example), I carry a second battery
Jun 03 03:39:21 <edude03> You know what?
Jun 03 03:39:22 <ajay> halfhalo: wow..
Jun 03 03:39:22 <halfhalo> i do love the fact the focus lasts FOREVER
Jun 03 03:39:29 <edude03> I have a second battery for my galaxy
Jun 03 03:39:29 <ajay> halfhalo: chicken but!
Jun 03 03:39:33 <ajay> s/half/edude
Jun 03 03:39:43 <edude03> But its still in its package because I don't have a way to keep it charged
Jun 03 03:39:55 <ajay> yeah I want a palm battery charger..
Jun 03 03:40:00 <halfhalo> i have one!
Jun 03 03:40:01 <summatusmentis> I charge my pre battery in my old centro :)
Jun 03 03:40:02 <edude03> Otherwise
Jun 03 03:40:08 <ajay> oh yeah maybe i should have bought the one i saw online that looks like a penguin.. :)
Jun 03 03:40:12 <edude03> I'd have to get up in the middel of the night and swap batteries
Jun 03 03:40:17 <halfhalo> and like 4 other devices to charge it in as well
Jun 03 03:40:29 <summatusmentis> I also charge both my batteries nightly when I'm using them heavily
Jun 03 03:41:35 <edude03> So far the battery life on my PP+ is terribad
Jun 03 03:41:43 <edude03> It dropped 40% in one hour
Jun 03 03:41:56 <summatusmentis> turning off gps helps
Jun 03 03:42:02 <summatusmentis> keeping it on wifi also does
Jun 03 03:42:02 <edude03> though it hit 50 and stayed there for 6 hours
Jun 03 03:42:09 <ajay> apparently the more email accounts you have, the worse your battery life.  i have 3, and mine's shitty.
Jun 03 03:42:09 <summatusmentis> I also keep my screen brightness pretty low
Jun 03 03:42:11 <edude03> so It might just be because it's new
Jun 03 03:42:38 <edude03> I have location services on but I don't know about GPS
Jun 03 03:42:42 <ajay> I always turn off BT/the-other-data/GPS.. i die quick, can't imagine what'd happen if i kept everything on all the time..
Jun 03 03:42:50 <summatusmentis> edude03: same thing, iirc
Jun 03 03:42:55 <ajay> location svcs == gps afaik
Jun 03 03:43:23 <summatusmentis> ajay: yeah, basically, the more your phone is syncing with things, the worse the battery life is gonna be
Jun 03 03:43:36 <edude03> Considering how thick the PP is I expect blackberry level battery life
Jun 03 03:43:56 * edude03 charges his berry once ever 2-6 days
Jun 03 03:43:57 <summatusmentis> don't
Jun 03 03:44:07 <summatusmentis> they're not really comparable, iirc
Jun 03 03:44:13 <summatusmentis> or, as I understand it
Jun 03 03:44:23 <edude03> They aren't apparently
Jun 03 03:44:26 <edude03> I'm just saying
Jun 03 03:44:37 <edude03> HEY is there a AWS commboard anywhere?
Jun 03 03:44:42 <ajay> edude03: ah!  This conversation intersects perfectly!  Blackberries get such great battery life BECAUSE of the way they handle email!
Jun 03 03:45:01 <ajay> conversely the pre gets poor because of this.. ;|
Jun 03 03:45:09 <edude03> derp :P
Jun 03 03:45:29 <edude03> Well here in canada we have datashare plans
Jun 03 03:45:34 <ajay> hPalm doesn't even talk about push messaging anymore.. bastards..
Jun 03 03:45:37 <edude03> So I can get a second simcard on the same account
Jun 03 03:45:48 <edude03> So if I get into webos
Jun 03 03:45:55 <edude03> I'll probably use a Pre as a phone ONLY
Jun 03 03:46:07 <edude03> and something else for email web browsing etc
Jun 03 03:46:19 <edude03> Like a touchpad or ipad or something
Jun 03 03:46:20 <ajay> rwhitby: you back
Jun 03 03:46:23 <edude03> maybe a smart book
Jun 03 03:46:26 <ajay> ?
Jun 03 03:46:48 <ajay> edude03: a phone only? that's crazy talk! ;|
Jun 03 03:46:56 <edude03> I KNOW
Jun 03 03:47:01 <edude03> I'm CRAZY!!!111one
Jun 03 03:47:17 * ajay is having a lot of fun sending free postcards.. thanks HP! :)
Jun 03 03:47:29 <edude03> Well by phone only I mean
Jun 03 03:47:41 <edude03> Music/phone/text messaging/light twitter use maybe
Jun 03 03:48:20 <edude03> I currently use my galaxy for Twitter gaming web browsing youtube, 720p video navigation email heavy twitter use
Jun 03 03:48:39 <edude03> calendar camera fm radio :P
Jun 03 03:49:08 <edude03> a phone call whenever my battery permits it (never, due to the above)
Jun 03 03:50:25 <ajay> edude03: have you dr. battery'd?
Jun 03 03:50:37 <edude03> wut?
Jun 03 03:51:34 <edude03> I can ... doctor my battery :|
Jun 03 03:51:37 <ajay> edude03: have you heard of the app dr. battery?  it'll update your battery so that it reports the real battery life (rather than based on stock) to the phone..
Jun 03 03:51:52 <edude03> For WebOS?
Jun 03 03:51:57 <ajay> it's in preware
Jun 03 03:52:02 <edude03> Oh no
Jun 03 03:52:07 <ajay> oh yes
Jun 03 03:52:12 <edude03> I've only had my phone for 12 hours :)
Jun 03 03:52:23 <edude03> It arrived at 11:04 am
Jun 03 03:52:23 <ajay> oh!
Jun 03 03:52:26 <ajay> haha
Jun 03 03:52:31 <ajay> is it new?
Jun 03 03:52:34 <edude03> But I didn't power it up till one something
Jun 03 03:52:35 <edude03> Yeah
Jun 03 03:52:50 <ajay> and you already want a pre2?  wow, that was fast.. :)
Jun 03 03:53:02 <edude03> I like high end phones :P
Jun 03 03:53:09 <edude03> I only got this because it was cheap
Jun 03 03:53:20 <edude03> and I heard you can run webos 2.1 (the newest) on it
Jun 03 03:53:23 <edude03> So I was like f yeah
Jun 03 03:53:27 <ajay> my friends consider cheap to be $0-$50 :)
Jun 03 03:53:40 <edude03> This was $100 BNIB
Jun 03 03:53:43 <edude03> and unlocked
Jun 03 03:54:02 <ajay> alright i'm going to take the plunge and login to my palm profile, hope it doesn't screw up everything in the world.. ;|
Jun 03 03:54:09 <edude03> Probably will :P
Jun 03 03:54:37 <ajay> oh my we might have success!
Jun 03 03:56:10 <edude03> Yay!
Jun 03 03:56:14 <edude03> Congrats :P
Jun 03 03:56:45 <ajay> damn, i can't believe i was using my PP+ for so long with such a screwed up screen!
Jun 03 03:57:04 <ajay> (I think it thinks there's someone touching the screen when there's not.. leading to QUITE annoying results!)
Jun 03 03:57:59 <ajay> oh how weird!  My palm profile reports Palm Pre+ for BOTH my devices!  (My PP+ and Pre2).. hrmm..
Jun 03 03:58:06 <edude03> LOL!
Jun 03 03:58:07 <edude03> hacked
Jun 03 03:58:16 <ajay> i wonder if that's a consequence of the comm board swap
Jun 03 03:58:20 <edude03> according to rod it's linked to your IMEI
Jun 03 03:58:21 <edude03> so yeah
Jun 03 03:58:45 <ajay> edude03: well one of them has a pre2 MEID, the other a pre+, so.. one should report pre2
Jun 03 03:59:08 <ajay> maybe the one with the pre2 comm board would have reported correctly if i didn't use impostah
Jun 03 04:00:15 <ajay> i wonder if that will ever cause me probs.. hrmm..
Jun 03 04:02:14 <edude03> hmm
Jun 03 04:02:22 <edude03> What was that other app I needed for Uber?
Jun 03 04:02:47 <ajay> ok, second test, try to update a free app.. success!  ok i guess it was easier than i expected.. thanks Impostah!
Jun 03 04:02:56 <ajay> now i can go eat.. :)  nite!
Jun 03 04:13:49 <sugardave> Adora: HI
Jun 03 04:13:57 <Adora> sugardave:  HI
Jun 03 04:13:59 <sugardave> flashing my present
Jun 03 04:14:01 <halfhalo> crazy cat lady!
Jun 03 04:14:11 <sugardave> 30%...taking a while
Jun 03 04:14:26 * Adora hisses at halfhalo, pukes on his shoes, then starts purring
Jun 03 04:14:57 <edude03> Night everyone~
Jun 03 04:15:00 <halfhalo> :D
Jun 03 04:15:05 <edude03> Thanks for the help today
Jun 03 04:15:23 <sugardave> you're welcome!
Jun 03 04:15:26 <sugardave> er
Jun 03 04:15:29 <sugardave> what?
Jun 03 04:15:45 <edude03> been asking my 500 noob questions today :P
Jun 03 04:15:57 <edude03> Tomorrow will be my first day with a webOS device
Jun 03 04:16:07 <sugardave> ah, what are you getting?  Pre +?
Jun 03 04:16:12 <edude03> I might go balls out and leave the droid at home
Jun 03 04:16:24 <edude03> sugardave: Got the Pre+ it just arrived this morning
Jun 03 04:16:33 <sugardave> cool
Jun 03 04:17:02 <edude03> Haven't used it much yet since I've been doctoring and installing stuff :P
Jun 03 04:17:09 <edude03> Anyway~ nightynight
Jun 03 04:17:13 <sugardave> night
Jun 03 04:18:45 <sugardave> 1% per minute...that's horrible :D
Jun 03 04:18:50 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 03 04:19:00 <halfhalo> if you kick it it goes faster
Jun 03 04:19:20 <sugardave> no, no kicking this
Jun 03 04:19:28 <halfhalo> shiny touchpad?
Jun 03 04:19:34 <sugardave> woo
Jun 03 04:48:28 <dohtem> http://www.cultofmac.com/walt-mossberg-tells-adobe-ceo-to-his-face-that-flash-sucks-on-android/98231 -- this makes me lol
Jun 03 05:02:59 <sugardave> ARRRRGGGG, stupid captive portal
Jun 03 05:03:04 <halfhalo> Hahaha
Jun 03 05:03:20 <sugardave> can't do profile setup
Jun 03 05:03:23 <sugardave> dumb
Jun 03 05:03:29 <halfhalo> Haha
Jun 03 05:03:49 <summatusmentis> sugardave: what're you setting a profile up on?
Jun 03 05:03:55 <cwayne1> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha
Jun 03 05:03:59 <halfhalo> Tp
Jun 03 05:04:07 <sugardave> my shiny precious
Jun 03 05:04:14 <summatusmentis> wait rly?
Jun 03 05:04:16 <summatusmentis> can I ask how?
Jun 03 05:04:37 <sugardave> well, I tapped the button....
Jun 03 05:04:38 <sugardave> ;)
Jun 03 05:04:52 <summatusmentis> this is unhelpful
Jun 03 05:04:55 <summatusmentis> how do I get one?
Jun 03 05:04:57 <sugardave> summatusmentis: I work for Palm now
Jun 03 05:05:04 <summatusmentis> ooooh, nice
Jun 03 05:05:09 <summatusmentis> I can't do that
Jun 03 05:05:13 <sugardave> heh
Jun 03 05:05:39 <summatusmentis> I was considering trying for the "show us your app, get a touchpad" thing
Jun 03 05:05:47 <sugardave> do it!
Jun 03 05:05:51 <summatusmentis> but I haven't done any webos dev since the last time I bugged you about oauth
Jun 03 05:06:07 <sugardave> well, screw oauth, do something else :D
Jun 03 05:06:32 <summatusmentis> but... I want a $blankity_blank app for webos :)
Jun 03 05:06:32 <halfhalo> I have an app for that.... Wheeloblame
Jun 03 05:07:07 <summatusmentis> although, webos does need a decent wordpress app that's free
Jun 03 05:07:11 <summatusmentis> hrm...
Jun 03 05:11:57 <summatusmentis> sugardave: what position did you take at hp?
Jun 03 05:12:07 <cwayne1> WHERES MY FUCKING TOUCHPAD
Jun 03 05:12:18 <oil> in china?
Jun 03 05:12:37 <oil> (or wherever they're hopefully being assembled)
Jun 03 05:12:44 <cwayne1> oil: thats racist.
Jun 03 05:12:45 <halfhalo> France
Jun 03 05:13:19 <sugardave> summatusmentis: official title is Developer Relations SWAT Engineer
Jun 03 05:13:36 <summatusmentis> sounds pretty rockin'
Jun 03 05:13:41 <sugardave> yeah!
Jun 03 05:13:42 <summatusmentis> based only on the official title
Jun 03 05:13:59 <sugardave> I'm proud of it
Jun 03 05:14:06 <halfhalo> His real job is to just get everyone else coffee
Jun 03 05:14:09 <oil> lol
Jun 03 05:14:12 <oil> with a quickness
Jun 03 05:14:13 <summatusmentis> I wonder how I get a job with HP resarch working on webos next summer
Jun 03 05:14:15 <sugardave> that's Arthur Thornton :P
Jun 03 05:14:16 <cwayne1> sugardave: so what would you say you do around here.
Jun 03 05:14:38 <sugardave> cwayne1: here?  I'm a smart-ass
Jun 03 05:15:32 <cwayne1> sugardave: lulz i was goin for office space quote
Jun 03 05:15:32 <cwayne1> but equally good answer
Jun 03 05:15:50 <sugardave> oh, sorry...not on my game :D
Jun 03 05:15:56 <summatusmentis> it's been a long time since I've seen office space
Jun 03 05:16:11 <oil> "looks like you've been missing a lot of work recently"
Jun 03 05:16:19 <sugardave> can't say I've been missing it, Bob
Jun 03 05:16:20 <cwayne1> summatusmentis: we warch it every once in awhile at work :P
Jun 03 05:16:21 <oil> "I wouldn't say I've been missing it, bob"
Jun 03 05:16:23 <sugardave> I remember that one ;)
Jun 03 05:16:30 <cwayne1> oil: hahaha
Jun 03 05:16:40 <cwayne1> its not that im lazy.. it's that i don't care.
Jun 03 05:16:50 <halfhalo> I have the bluray in my pc right now
Jun 03 05:16:55 <summatusmentis> cwayne1: hah, maybe it's because I'm gonna be a student forever and haven't really ever experience shitty jobs
Jun 03 05:17:02 <summatusmentis> or really office jobs
Jun 03 05:17:04 <oil> speaking of which, we got a fax machine at work we're about to replace that the secretary wants to "go office space on" when we get the new one
Jun 03 05:17:11 <cwayne1> summatusmentis: hey now, my jobs great :)
Jun 03 05:17:12 <sugardave> nice
Jun 03 05:17:27 <sugardave> I've worked in many of the buildings they used in that movie
Jun 03 05:17:50 * oil has an initech shirt around here somewhere
Jun 03 05:17:59 <sugardave> haha
Jun 03 05:18:04 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 03 05:18:18 <cwayne1> whenever we brick a system, we ask if we can go office space on it
Jun 03 05:19:23 <summatusmentis> cwayne1: can I ask where you work?
Jun 03 05:19:54 <cwayne1> summatusmentis: canonical
Jun 03 05:20:00 <halfhalo> Nice
Jun 03 05:20:01 <summatusmentis> oh nice
Jun 03 05:20:18 <summatusmentis> you people have cool jobs
Jun 03 05:20:33 <summatusmentis> I want a cool job, sort of
Jun 03 05:21:09 <sugardave> it's better than an un-cool job...those are the worst
Jun 03 05:21:10 <dwc-> a cool job, minus the actual working part?
Jun 03 05:21:18 <summatusmentis> dwc-: that'd be ideal, yes :)
Jun 03 05:21:42 <sugardave> this is the time of year when I'm glad I'm not an outside laborer
Jun 03 05:21:51 <sugardave> roofing, ditch digging, etc.
Jun 03 05:21:52 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping dissertation research will be cool enough for 6 years
Jun 03 05:22:00 <dwc-> sugardave: have you seen the weather around here?
Jun 03 05:22:07 <sugardave> where's here?
Jun 03 05:22:09 <dwc-> did it drizzle on you today?
Jun 03 05:22:14 <sugardave> in Austin, it was 100 degrees again today
Jun 03 05:22:18 <dwc-> how many hours of sun did you see
Jun 03 05:22:21 <sugardave> dwc-: you in Sunnyvale?
Jun 03 05:22:28 <dwc-> in/around, yes
Jun 03 05:22:29 <sugardave> I saw a bit of sun today
Jun 03 05:22:32 <sugardave> not much
Jun 03 05:22:35 <sugardave> it's cold here for me :D
Jun 03 05:22:48 <dwc-> it is unusually cool, here, this year
Jun 03 05:23:05 <sugardave> that's what everyone is saying...I only brought short-sleeved shirts mostly :/
Jun 03 05:23:21 <dkirker> man up sugardave :P
Jun 03 05:23:23 <sugardave> I go outside to smoke and I do it REALLY fast
Jun 03 05:23:39 <dkirker> this ain't cold :P
Jun 03 05:23:42 <sugardave> dkirker: heh, yeah you wearing shorts and short-sleeved shirt :P
Jun 03 05:23:51 <dkirker> hehe, well.. I am crazy
Jun 03 05:24:09 <dkirker> I went up to Washington where my grandparents live, wearing a short sleeve shirt and shorts
Jun 03 05:24:13 <dkirker> in the middle of winter!
Jun 03 05:24:16 <sugardave> it's okay...come to Austin in August and see how you do ;)
Jun 03 05:24:25 <summatusmentis> sugardave: ~70s? that sounds perfect
Jun 03 05:24:30 <oil> lol @ people in a place called "sunnyvale" talking about how cold it is
Jun 03 05:24:34 <oil> gtfo
Jun 03 05:24:44 <halfhalo> It was 75 here today
Jun 03 05:24:46 <halfhalo> And sunny
Jun 03 05:24:54 <dwc-> nobody here says it's cold... it's "cooler" this year though
Jun 03 05:25:00 <sugardave> dude, seriously...some people are walking around in those puffy nylon vests like Marty McFly wears in Back to the Future
Jun 03 05:25:02 <oil> lol
Jun 03 05:25:23 <dwc-> it's been in the 50s-60s in the mornings, but not actually cold
Jun 03 05:25:25 <summatusmentis> you should all come to MN in the winter, then tell me it's cold
Jun 03 05:25:33 <sugardave> hmmm, fuck that
Jun 03 05:25:37 <sugardave> :D
Jun 03 05:25:46 <summatusmentis> heh
Jun 03 05:26:18 <sugardave> I lived in Denver for 18 months...the good part is it's mostly desert, so even 12 F was bearable as long as I had a coat on....Connecticut on the other hand...no way in hell
Jun 03 05:27:37 <dwc-> 22:26 <@wq> Observed at: Strawberry Gardens, Sunnyvale, California (PWS) 10:20 PM PDT on June 02, 2011 (KCASUNNY4)
Jun 03 05:27:42 <dwc-> 22:26 <@wq>  Current: Clear Temp: 55.0°F/13°C Wind: 0.0mph/0kmh(West) Humidity: 67%
Jun 03 05:28:27 <dwc-> nice and comfy out
Jun 03 05:29:00 <summatusmentis> my code might actually compile properly!
Jun 03 05:30:18 <dwc-> that's a start
Jun 03 05:30:32 <summatusmentis> I've been fighting with this build system for days
Jun 03 05:30:43 <sugardave> hmm, I wonder if it's worth it to try and turn this machine into an AP....probably should just wait until I'm at work tomorrow
Jun 03 05:30:47 <sugardave> but it is tempting
Jun 03 05:31:36 <sugardave> tuesday night I saw Google-wifi, but it is not there now
Jun 03 05:31:52 <cwayne1> FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Jun 03 05:32:07 <sugardave> that's what I"m sayin'
Jun 03 05:41:30 <cwayne1> sugardave: so hows the new HP job?
Jun 03 05:41:43 <cwayne1> like in general
Jun 03 05:44:29 <sugardave> good so far!  I just started last week, so I'm still a newbie.  Right now, Palm business unit is very much operating like small Palm and not large HP (it reminds me of when I went to work at Tivoli)  The people I've met so far are great and everyone is stoked about webOS and the future of devices
Jun 03 05:44:54 <sugardave> so, I'm enjoying the hell out of it
Jun 03 05:45:12 <cwayne1> sugardave: right on!  whats the concensus of the licensing stuff recently announced?
Jun 03 05:45:26 <summatusmentis> sugardave: did you work on AFS at all while at Tivoli?
Jun 03 05:45:33 <sugardave> joy, rapture, happiness
Jun 03 05:46:09 <summatusmentis> cwayne1: refresh my memory, which licensing stuff? the worldwide catalog thing?
Jun 03 05:46:13 <sugardave> summatusmentis: nah, I used to do level 2 support for distributed monitoring (old framework product) and then most recently enablement of the new stuff in identity/access management
Jun 03 05:46:42 <sugardave> summatusmentis: he's talking about Leo not denying the possibility of licensing webOS to other manufacturers
Jun 03 05:46:44 <summatusmentis> ooh, I know Tivoli had an AFS/DFS backup solution, which is why I ask
Jun 03 05:46:53 <summatusmentis> oh right, that licensing
Jun 03 05:47:52 <summatusmentis> what does a non-denial mean in the short-term though?
Jun 03 05:48:00 <summatusmentis> it's all just conjecture at this point
Jun 03 05:48:16 <summatusmentis> so, you know, cool if HTC licenses it in 3 years
Jun 03 05:48:24 <summatusmentis> but at some level, so what?
Jun 03 05:48:46 <sugardave> right, nothing tangible, but at least it's not a "we'll never let others use it" response
Jun 03 05:48:53 <summatusmentis> granted
Jun 03 05:49:12 <sugardave> it's the new "in the coming months" ;)
Jun 03 05:50:42 <summatusmentis> heh
Jun 03 05:53:24 <oil> now sugardave isn't going to visit #webos as much
Jun 03 05:53:37 <cwayne1> sugardave: summatusmentis: id buy the SHIT out of a HTC webos phone.
Jun 03 05:53:58 <summatusmentis> cwayne1: I probably would too, although I'm not sure how I'd feel about giving up the palm keyboard
Jun 03 05:53:59 <sugardave> riiight...I'm constantly logged in here...I'm like a wart on the ass off the channel
Jun 03 05:54:20 <summatusmentis> you might just be the ass of the channel
Jun 03 05:54:40 <sugardave> hey, the ass is a very important part of the whole system
Jun 03 05:54:43 <dwc-> google wifi is an unreliable piece of junk, just fyi
Jun 03 05:54:45 <dwc-> but, it is free
Jun 03 05:55:05 <sugardave> dwc-: if it ever appears, is it totally open or do you have to do some bullshit login to it?
Jun 03 05:55:18 <dwc-> you login to your google account
Jun 03 05:55:26 <sugardave> erg, no good
Jun 03 05:55:34 <dwc-> if... you can get a dhcp lease ... and ... get to the captive portal
Jun 03 05:55:41 <sugardave> haha
Jun 03 05:56:46 <dwc-> if you drive over to google MV, there's a google guest right outside their main campus that doesn't need a login
Jun 03 05:57:01 <dwc-> but, you could probably hit up most internet cafes or just cruise for open wifi for that, closer
Jun 03 05:57:47 <sugardave> yeah, plus I'm only about 10 minutes from Palm...I will wait until tomorrow.  I have a book to read :D
Jun 03 05:58:19 <dwc-> s/internet cafe/coffee houses/
Jun 03 06:00:06 <cwayne1> lol books? wheres patrick?
Jun 03 06:01:56 <sugardave> another cool thing Leo said was about webOS running on top of Windows "at first"....I was like, "THEN WHAT?!?!  TELL ME!"
Jun 03 06:05:30 <summatusmentis> I would love to be able to receive/deal with webos notifications on my laptop (non-windows)
Jun 03 06:06:08 <cwayne1> summatusmentis: non windows? whatdya use?
Jun 03 06:06:21 <summatusmentis> currently, I'm running a macbook
Jun 03 06:06:30 <SineOt> I've thought about looking at doing like… Growl support
Jun 03 06:06:39 <SineOt> Since Growl supports network notices
Jun 03 06:06:43 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping to move to a linux desktop + touchpad in the future :)
Jun 03 06:06:47 <summatusmentis> SineOt: that'd be super neat
Jun 03 06:07:05 <cwayne1> summatusmentis: dawww i was hoping ubuntu
Jun 03 06:07:09 <dwc-> growl annoys me... I wish I could make the notifications non-interactable
Jun 03 06:07:09 <summatusmentis> except that'd be just notification right? no way to respond to text messages and so forth?
Jun 03 06:07:21 <summatusmentis> cwayne1: when I use linux, that's my default (or debian if I just need cli)
Jun 03 06:07:29 <LoneStar99> All Your WebOS Are Belong To Us!
Jun 03 06:07:33 <dwc-> I set it to 0% and it still manages to be clickable
Jun 03 06:07:40 <cwayne1> summatusmentis: cool! im just biased :)
Jun 03 06:07:41 <SineOt> Well, yeah. Just notifications, no responses
Jun 03 06:07:43 <summatusmentis> cwayne1: I find myself tinkering too much on linux though, and never getting enough work done :)
Jun 03 06:07:58 <cwayne1> summatusmentis: hah :) i hear ya
Jun 03 06:08:07 <dwc-> run debian, get it working, and then stop touching it :P
Jun 03 06:08:11 <summatusmentis> OS X forces me to leave the OS alone
Jun 03 06:08:21 <summatusmentis> while staying out of my way
Jun 03 06:08:31 <cwayne1> haaaaaaaaaaa
Jun 03 06:08:36 <halfhalo> Yup
Jun 03 06:08:37 <summatusmentis> so I just browse the internet, instead :)
Jun 03 06:08:45 <dwc-> OS X gets in my way :(
Jun 03 06:09:09 <summatusmentis> dwc-: if you expect the level of control linuxes offer, yes, it will
Jun 03 06:09:39 <dwc-> well, no, I'd be satisfied with the level of control windows offers....
Jun 03 06:09:44 <summatusmentis> but if you accept that it's made decisions, and you just let it do it's thing, it works really nicely
Jun 03 06:09:47 <SineOt> Man, I poke OSX with a stick all the time
Jun 03 06:09:48 <cwayne1> dwc-: HHHHHHHRRRRRNGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Jun 03 06:09:53 * SineOt poke poke pokes
Jun 03 06:10:33 <summatusmentis> SineOt: I was doing OpenAFS work the other day, and kernel panic'd my machine
Jun 03 06:10:35 <dwc-> like... can I make cmd-tab not suck? no. can I make it treat X11 apps as first-class? no. can I make it stop auto-raising app windows when I switch virtual desktops? no. can I get follow mouse focus? only in x11 and os x terminal (worst terminal ever)
Jun 03 06:11:22 <summatusmentis> there are usually good replacement X11 apps
Jun 03 06:11:32 <summatusmentis> macvim vs. gvim, as an example
Jun 03 06:11:52 <cwayne1> lol vim
Jun 03 06:11:54 <dwc-> there's multiple macvims
Jun 03 06:11:58 <dwc-> the one on google code sucks less
Jun 03 06:12:01 <summatusmentis> yes, that one
Jun 03 06:12:06 <SineOt> Command tab for app switching forward, command shift tab for back, command tilde for window switching within app, command shift tilde etc
Jun 03 06:12:06 <summatusmentis> not the shitty one
Jun 03 06:12:20 <LoneStar99> been messing with e-no and wondering why mojo/prototype simply was not extended with more functionality other than relearning some totally new
Jun 03 06:12:43 <dwc-> sineot: do you like it when you have 5 windows browsers open, and cmd tab raises all 5 of them? I don't
Jun 03 06:13:10 <LoneStar99> it is like reinventing the wheel...
Jun 03 06:13:35 <SineOt> dwc-: no, I map command shift m to merge all windows and only have 1 browser window open! XD
Jun 03 06:14:30 <dwc-> gross.
Jun 03 06:14:42 <dwc-> tabs have purposes, but being able to see two urls at once is not one of them
Jun 03 06:17:41 <dwc-> (or to organize some 40+ tabs ;)
Jun 03 06:17:46 <SineOt> I dunno, forces me to focus
Jun 03 06:17:52 <SineOt> and well, not have 40 tabs open at once :]
Jun 03 12:56:23 <NuttyBunny> heyo
Jun 03 12:59:36 <Haegin> hi, how active is webos development these days? I'm tempted to buy a pre 2 but I'm slightly worried about the lack of apps available
Jun 03 13:26:15 <Popple3> Haegin: I'd say you'd be best waiting for the Pre3. I don't think dev is dead on webOS by any means anyway. I'm a new dev to the platform and loving it, and I think with the ripe market on the TouchPad, other devs may too get started and love it, and work on phone apps too
Jun 03 13:26:36 <Popple3> my 2¢. I could be totally wrong in what I'm saying, but that's how it seems to me
Jun 03 13:34:35 <Haegin> Popple3: ok, thanks :)
Jun 03 13:35:40 <Popple3> Haegin: Also, it's an awesome OS, especially the multitasking
Jun 03 13:37:16 <Haegin> yeah, unfortunately getting hold of a webos device to test in the uk seems next to impossible. None of the stores carry any of the current ones so I can't even evaluate it to see if I like it.
Jun 03 13:44:24 <pancro> Haegin: have you downloaded the 2.1 SDK from developer.palm.com? there is an emulator (it requires VirtualBox) which gives you a pretty good idea of the basic functionality
Jun 03 14:14:24 <Haegin> pancro: yeah, I haven't tried it in ages but I'm waiting until I'm back on my ubuntu machine as it doesn't seem to be available for fedora annoyingly
Jun 03 14:16:03 <pancro> Haegin: just unpack the .deb package with ar, and untar the payload to /opt, it just works
Jun 03 14:21:30 <Loudergood> yeah, at the very least they could've distributed it as a tarball too
Jun 03 14:22:47 <pancro> Loudergood: "ar x filename.deb" and you have your tarball :)
Jun 03 14:24:35 <Loudergood> yes I know, but leaving it deb only confuses things for some people
Jun 03 14:25:22 <pancro> Loudergood: I agree with you in principle. however it's meant for developers (mostly) and I'd be surprised if developers struggle with that. Yet, having tarballs would be good.
Jun 03 14:33:03 <Boopop> Hiii all
Jun 03 14:33:09 <Boopop> got my Pre 2!
Jun 03 14:33:11 <Boopop> dirt cheap :D
Jun 03 14:33:23 <Boopop> What's the deal with going back on my pre -?
Jun 03 14:33:27 <Haegin> pancro: ah ok, thanks
Jun 03 14:33:29 <Boopop> will it mess up my profile or anything?
Jun 03 14:34:00 <Haegin> Boopop: how cheap is dirt cheap?
Jun 03 14:34:05 <Boopop> £155
Jun 03 14:34:07 <Boopop> =)
Jun 03 14:34:54 <pancro> Boopop: once you upgrade to a 2.1 profile, you can't go back. Create a new profile to test it out if you like
Jun 03 14:35:17 <Boopop> pancro: How can I force it to create a new profile when I switch the pre - on without logging into my current one?>
Jun 03 14:35:43 <Boopop> or will it just say "Hey you no use this profile anymore!" and force me to create a new one? xD
Jun 03 14:36:43 <pancro> Boopop: to be honest, I forgot! I think I simply backed up my pre-, switched my pre2 on, activated it and then doctored my pre- so I never saw what happened
Jun 03 14:37:04 <Boopop> Yeah, I was thinking of doctoring my pre -
Jun 03 14:37:21 <NuttyBunny> Boopop: If you're Pre- runs 2.1, you can login to your profile there :P
Jun 03 14:37:25 <Boopop> would be more straight forward
Jun 03 14:37:27 <Boopop> yeah it does
Jun 03 14:37:44 <Boopop> So...switch my pre - on
Jun 03 14:37:49 <Boopop> both phones on the same profile
Jun 03 14:37:59 <Boopop> will that work as is or should I get the old phone on a new profile?
Jun 03 14:38:38 <NuttyBunny> If both have the same profile, the newer takes precedence
Jun 03 14:38:54 <Boopop> new phone?
Jun 03 14:39:05 <NuttyBunny> Pre 2/Pre -
Jun 03 14:39:05 <Loudergood> you can manage them at palm.com/profile
Jun 03 14:39:10 <Boopop> so what would happen on the pre - on my current profile?
Jun 03 14:39:24 <NuttyBunny> That's what I'm trying to answer :P
Jun 03 14:39:25 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Jun 03 14:39:35 <Boopop> Didn't realised you were still going :P
Jun 03 14:39:38 <Boopop> realise*
Jun 03 14:39:45 <Boopop> Please continue :D
Jun 03 14:40:13 <NuttyBunny> If you logon to your Pre 2 with THAT profile, you'll have your data on your Pre 2, but your Pre- will wipe itself once it realizes you logged on on another device
Jun 03 14:40:22 <Boopop> Ah ok!
Jun 03 14:40:27 <NuttyBunny> you *can* move the Pre- into airplane mode to avoid this
Jun 03 14:40:28 <Boopop> yeah, pre 2's already done it's thing
Jun 03 14:40:58 <NuttyBunny> Ah, .... if you connect the Pre to internet, it will tell you that the profile is no longer active and wipe itself :D
Jun 03 14:41:07 <NuttyBunny> only apps and data tho, USB remins
Jun 03 14:41:11 <NuttyBunny> remains
Jun 03 14:41:20 <Boopop> that's fine then :)
Jun 03 14:42:11 <NuttyBunny> cool!  Then you can create a new profile on your Pre-
Jun 03 14:43:53 <Boopop> danke NuttyBunny :)
Jun 03 14:44:01 <Boopop> Note : I don't know German xD
Jun 03 14:45:20 <NuttyBunny> No prob, me neither, but that's one of the few words I understand
Jun 03 14:45:36 <matbee> doot
Jun 03 14:48:43 <Boopop> Pre 2's a lovely bit of hardware :)
Jun 03 14:48:50 <Boopop> I think £155 was rather good xD
Jun 03 14:48:55 <Boopop> couldn't resist!
Jun 03 14:54:38 <edude03> omg :|
Jun 03 14:54:48 <edude03> Please tell me my phone is broken
Jun 03 14:54:52 <edude03> I'm doing something wronh
Jun 03 14:55:00 <Boopop> you want your phone to be broken?
Jun 03 14:55:00 <edude03> or I'm crazy
Jun 03 14:55:18 <summatusmentis> more info would be better
Jun 03 14:55:28 <edude03> Because otherwise I can't fathom how my pre+ is at %52 after 2:45 minutes of light usage
Jun 03 14:55:49 <summatusmentis> did you buy this used?
Jun 03 14:55:52 <edude03> No
Jun 03 14:55:53 <edude03> BNIB
Jun 03 14:56:02 <summatusmentis> what's the first B for?
Jun 03 14:56:11 <edude03> Brand-new in box
Jun 03 14:56:12 <Boopop> (brand)
Jun 03 14:56:16 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 03 14:56:16 <Loudergood> how's your signal strength?
Jun 03 14:56:23 <edude03> When I was out it was great
Jun 03 14:56:30 <edude03> Right now I'm in the basement getting one bar
Jun 03 14:56:43 <edude03> Oh and I have wifi bluetooth and GPS off
Jun 03 14:56:47 <Loudergood> that'll kill 99% of phone batteries
Jun 03 14:56:54 <edude03> screen brightness around 25%
Jun 03 14:57:00 <Loudergood> my parents house destroys my battery life
Jun 03 14:57:11 <NuttyBunny> edude03: as Loudergood says, low signall kills batteries
Jun 03 14:57:11 <Loudergood> because it's 1-0 bars
Jun 03 14:57:18 <edude03> Yeah I know :)
Jun 03 14:57:31 <edude03> I was getting good signal while out though
Jun 03 14:57:43 <edude03> And I was out the whole time the phone was on up until now
Jun 03 14:58:02 <edude03> I unplugged it on the way out the door which was 8:31 this morning
Jun 03 14:58:26 <edude03> The only app I've used was the interal gtalk client
Jun 03 14:58:41 <NuttyBunny> edude03: that kills battery as well :)
Jun 03 14:58:52 <edude03> That's not cool
Jun 03 14:59:29 <Loudergood> and now I'm trying to figure out how my battery is still at 100%
Jun 03 14:59:44 <Loudergood> it's been off the TS for at least an hour
Jun 03 15:01:49 <edude03> OK well if the PP+ can't last a whole day running only chat then I might  have to pitch it in a lake
Jun 03 15:02:05 <edude03> Its completely useless since the only form of communication I use is IM :|
Jun 03 15:03:37 <edude03> brb
Jun 03 15:06:29 <Boopop> £500 spare from my final student loan ever
Jun 03 15:06:30 <Boopop> win!
Jun 03 15:07:39 <NuttyBunny> He will pitch it in a lake. I'll have to ask him which lake... and I hope he takes the battery out first to avoid electronics damage ;)
Jun 03 15:12:08 <Boopop> Two functional webOS phones =)
Jun 03 15:12:13 <Boopop> I'm such a horder xD
Jun 03 15:14:40 <sugardave> :/ I have 4
Jun 03 15:14:46 <sugardave> super hoarder
Jun 03 15:14:47 <Boopop> xD
Jun 03 15:17:18 * Boopop bows down to sugardave and his amazing hoarding skills
Jun 03 15:17:20 <Boopop> :P
Jun 03 15:18:20 <NuttyBunny> I have 5
Jun 03 15:18:34 <NuttyBunny> Well, the donor is still in pieces ;)
Jun 03 15:18:50 <sugardave> heh
Jun 03 15:19:18 <sugardave> Boopop: I have 5 webOS _devices_ ;)
Jun 03 15:19:24 <NuttyBunny> I see 11 different pieces + the screws :)
Jun 03 15:19:35 <NuttyBunny> hey!! that's not fair
Jun 03 15:19:45 <Boopop> lol
Jun 03 15:19:47 <NuttyBunny> Y want to have 6 webOS _devices_
Jun 03 15:19:52 <NuttyBunny> I
Jun 03 15:19:54 <Boopop> been doing some frankenpre stuff or something?
Jun 03 15:20:08 <Boopop> Glad things are less complicated here in the UK when it comes to phone networks xD
Jun 03 15:20:34 <sugardave> no, I'm not a hardware hacker...not since consumer electronics switched to ICs :D
Jun 03 15:21:20 <NuttyBunny> sort of, I got pieces from a sprint Pre to fix my Telcel Pre: keyboard, camera/volume rocker, usb door, I don't do frankenstuff ;)
Jun 03 15:22:32 <Boopop> NuttyBunny: Does the webOS 2.x messaging plugin work on pre 2?
Jun 03 15:22:38 <Boopop> just to make sure =)
Jun 03 15:22:58 <NuttyBunny> yep, and it should work (sloooooooow) in the Pixi as well
Jun 03 15:23:08 <Boopop> great, thanks
Jun 03 15:23:43 <haeffb_pre> 4 pre's and a pixi. and one that went to NuttyBunny
Jun 03 15:23:46 <Boopop> there's just the emulator and pre version NuttyBunny...so pre version?
Jun 03 15:24:06 <NuttyBunny> Boopop: Yep, Pre version
Jun 03 15:24:11 <Boopop> Thanks
Jun 03 15:24:15 <Boopop> I'll stop buzzing you now :P
Jun 03 15:24:45 <NuttyBunny> haeffb_pre: Your Pre was my donor, thanks, my mom is grateful... :D
Jun 03 15:29:01 <LoneStar99> been working on something in the NDA and it is quite different than mojo...
Jun 03 15:30:21 <Boopop> Any reason in particular the reccomended install method for Messaging plugins went from WOQI to preware? :)
Jun 03 15:31:45 <LoneStar99> is is fine to talk about something in the NDA if you do not mention what in the NDA you are talking about?
Jun 03 15:32:01 <LoneStar99> and just say NDA?
Jun 03 15:32:18 <Boopop> sounds risky to me :P
Jun 03 15:32:29 <sugardave> well, I think it will be difficult not to disclose things
Jun 03 15:32:34 <sugardave> best to use the forums
Jun 03 15:33:43 <LoneStar99> right on, will use the forums
Jun 03 15:35:26 <LoneStar99> anyone work with dragging elements?  how would I limit the dragging to not pass the dimensions of device?
Jun 03 15:38:30 <LoneStar99> using the following code --> http://pastebin.com/1UTj42d7
Jun 03 15:40:13 <NuttyBunny> I need a "Developer Relations webOS SWAT Engineer" to help me ;)
Jun 03 15:40:59 <NuttyBunny> Boopop: They don't work if you nstall them with woqi, they do if you install them with preware, that's the reason
Jun 03 15:43:26 <sugardave> NuttyBunny: well, I'm about to head into the office and I'll be killing this window...when you see me on later, pm me your problem and when I get some time I'll try to help :D
Jun 03 15:44:16 <sugardave> ciao
Jun 03 15:46:10 <NuttyBunny> mmm.. sh*t
Jun 03 15:46:11 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
Jun 03 15:52:07 <NuttyBunny> Hey chuqui!
Jun 03 15:52:17 <chuqui> hey howdee
Jun 03 15:53:09 <NuttyBunny> I always see the MW notifications and I expect to read "Chuq V R has sent you a TouchPad", but they always read "Chuq has sent you a MW request" :D
Jun 03 15:53:17 <LoneStar99> morning
Jun 03 15:54:13 <chuqui> NuttyBunny:  well, you don't always get what you want. you get what you need....
Jun 03 15:54:52 <NuttyBunny> True, True :)   I'm working as hard as I can to be in the "need" to test my app in one of those :D
Jun 03 15:55:42 <ryanwatkins> so is there anyway to upgrade to a weOS Developer Account w/o Paypal access?  as the program is $0 and you are releasing a free app?
Jun 03 15:56:41 <ryanwatkins> I swear every one out of three times I try and use paypal for something they decide to lock down my account again.
Jun 03 15:57:05 <ryanwatkins> this time because I moved from one part of brooklyn to another and I guess they think I'm laundering $3.00
Jun 03 16:59:59 <Haegin> how much would people expect to pay for a palm pre 2 in the uk?
Jun 03 17:08:33 <LoneStar99> 200 Pounds?
Jun 03 17:08:33 <BigWookie> Hi, is This ( out of /var/log/messages )  palm-webos user.err alm.service.contacts.linker.js: [com.palm.service.contacts.linker] *****contacts.plugin.messaging BIG HACK! Old and New person are same, maybe this is an AddPerson A known issue, and the HUGE load from the contacts.linker on the cpu a known problem?
Jun 03 17:20:47 <Haegin> LoneStar99: ok, thanks
Jun 03 17:50:53 * ryanwatkins dislikes it when the emulator ... crashes.
Jun 03 17:51:42 <halfhalo> its the emulator, what do you expect?
Jun 03 17:51:57 <ryanwatkins> more accurately hangs I guess.
Jun 03 17:52:31 <ryanwatkins> hopefully not too perfect an emulator so as to know this same stuff will hang the device.
Jun 03 17:58:18 <Loudergood> I've never seen that before
Jun 03 17:58:39 <ryanwatkins> device hang, or emulator hang?
Jun 03 17:59:32 <Loudergood> emulator hang
Jun 03 17:59:46 <ryanwatkins> lucky person
Jun 03 18:03:13 <halfhalo> i has knifes
Jun 03 18:03:17 <halfhalo> the throwing kind
Jun 03 18:03:21 <halfhalo> this will not end well
Jun 03 18:08:16 <Codhisattva> halfhalo: don't forget to duck
Jun 03 18:08:31 <halfhalo> their not sharp, save for the tip
Jun 03 18:25:11 <NuttyBunny> BigWookie: The high cpu usage, yes, and the other "known issue"... well, it's known since it's documented as a "BIG HACK", so, yes :)
Jun 03 18:25:43 <BigWookie> impressive...
Jun 03 18:27:05 <mikedg1> hi dudes
Jun 03 18:27:21 <mikedg1> i have an iframe that i want to inject javascript into, any thoughts?
Jun 03 18:29:12 <halfhalo> BURN THE IFRAMES!!!
Jun 03 18:31:12 <eventualbuddha> mikedg1: myiframe.defaultView.eval, perhaps?
Jun 03 18:36:15 <ryanwatkins> code = base64encode(code); iframe.location = iframe.location + "#" + code; then decode and eval on the other side.
Jun 03 18:39:03 <mikedg1> thanks for the suggestions
Jun 03 19:13:33 <Boopop> Hellp! I have a random app on my phone that doesn't make any sense and I didn't install it =S
Jun 03 19:13:51 <Boopop> It's called simply "Add Account", has a picture of a moon, doesn't load when I try to run it, and I can't uninstall it =/
Jun 03 19:15:19 <NuttyBunny> "Hi, this is John Doe from Telcel, I don't you know that your contract has already finished and you may renew it"  ..... "Every time you guys call me I tell you exactly the same: The moment you get another webOS phone I'll renew my contract"
Jun 03 19:15:29 <NuttyBunny> and they keep calling..
Jun 03 19:15:44 <NuttyBunny> Boopop: You used meta doctor?
Jun 03 19:15:45 <oil> lol
Jun 03 19:15:54 <Boopop> No NuttyBunny =/
Jun 03 19:16:02 <mikedg1> does anyone have a ouchpad
Jun 03 19:16:02 <Boopop> It's just appeared since I looked at my phone
Jun 03 19:16:12 <Boopop> has an icon of a greenish white moon
Jun 03 19:16:15 <Boopop> very bizzare
Jun 03 19:16:21 <mikedg1> thats the default icon
Jun 03 19:16:25 <mikedg1> i think
Jun 03 19:16:30 <NuttyBunny> Weird... it's an ipk for sfr in france
Jun 03 19:16:38 <NuttyBunny> ah, no
Jun 03 19:16:48 <Boopop> last thing I did was install the messaging plugin I think
Jun 03 19:16:52 <NuttyBunny> exactly
Jun 03 19:17:03 <NuttyBunny> just move it out of the way
Jun 03 19:17:10 <Boopop> any idea why it's appeared?
Jun 03 19:17:15 <NuttyBunny> I'll hide in the next version
Jun 03 19:17:31 <NuttyBunny> well, Greg may forgot to hide the icon :)
Jun 03 19:17:39 <NuttyBunny> may have forgotten
Jun 03 19:17:44 <NuttyBunny> or however it's said
Jun 03 19:17:47 <Boopop> I might just get rid of it because the msn plugin doesn't seem to work for me =/
Jun 03 19:18:04 <Boopop> maybe I have my settings setup wrong
Jun 03 19:18:14 <Boopop> says available but no contacts appear
Jun 03 19:18:49 <NuttyBunny> Check the thread, do a debug, lemme take a peek to it
Jun 03 19:18:49 <Boopop> Any tips on what settings to use NuttyBunny ?
Jun 03 19:20:04 <NuttyBunny> I just select encryption and accept bad cert, disable aliases and avatart
Jun 03 19:20:26 <matbee> So, is In-App purchasing coming to Mojo for WebOS 2.x?
Jun 03 19:21:12 <ryanwatkins> My guess is much of nothing is coming to 2.x
Jun 03 19:21:19 <matbee> ...so what about the Pre 2?
Jun 03 19:21:32 <matbee> is 3.x comign to the Pre2?
Jun 03 19:21:38 <ryanwatkins> TBD
Jun 03 19:21:55 <matbee> I find it difficult to even think of releasing my app when I'm not even sure if in-app purchasing is coming to my device
Jun 03 19:22:35 <matbee> else im going to have to find a way to make sure its a unique profile registering for an account
Jun 03 19:22:41 <matbee> bleh
Jun 03 19:23:13 <NuttyBunny> Adora said that 3.0 would come to Pre2
Jun 03 19:23:28 <NuttyBunny> (well, no, not Adora, but she may say something) :)
Jun 03 19:23:28 <Adora> NuttyBunny:  you better hush your mouth  =]
Jun 03 19:23:32 <mikedg1> adora the explora?
Jun 03 19:23:33 <NuttyBunny> Hey Adora!!
Jun 03 19:23:36 <ryanwatkins> nice timing. :)
Jun 03 19:23:38 <matbee> They also said that 2.x would come to legacy devices some how
Jun 03 19:23:39 <matbee> haha
Jun 03 19:23:42 <matbee> I wouldnt count on it
Jun 03 19:23:59 <NuttyBunny> Well, matbee: Every device I own has 2.1, so.. it came :D
Jun 03 19:24:12 <matbee> I dare say they gave away the dev. pre 2's to get rid of stale non-HP branded stock
Jun 03 19:24:32 <matbee> kind of like giving away leftovers
Jun 03 19:24:56 <NuttyBunny> maybe, but the Pre2 is more powerful than the Veer, so, my take is that if the Veer can run 3.0, so can the Pre2
Jun 03 19:25:05 <matbee> the Pre 2 isn't HP branded
Jun 03 19:25:15 <matbee> so I wouldn't bet on it
Jun 03 19:26:05 <matbee> They probably don't want people confused with this HP/Palm difference
Jun 03 19:26:21 <NuttyBunny> I won't bet on it as well, but I do believe the Pre2 will  have 3.0 at least
Jun 03 19:26:23 <matbee> either way, I'm happy to have this free phone ;D
Jun 03 19:27:26 <matbee> but I'm stuck atm
Jun 03 19:27:39 <matbee> in-app payments are coming, so I don't want to release my app if it's coming to Mojo
Jun 03 19:28:32 <matbee> But if I want to make one version for Mojo and one for Touchpad and Enyo, they won't be able to share the app purchases
Jun 03 19:28:41 <matbee> so it's frustrating
Jun 03 19:29:17 <Boopop> Stuck on settings page for messaging plugin :(
Jun 03 19:29:21 <matbee> and there's no reason to limit my app to webos 2.x+
Jun 03 19:29:28 <matbee> in fact, it could work on webos 0.1 :P
Jun 03 19:30:53 <matbee> supporting that many code branches for very little return... *gag*
Jun 03 19:30:55 <Boopop> ah got past that bit this time
Jun 03 19:32:45 <Boopop> Hmm, still no contacts appearing however
Jun 03 19:33:22 <Boopop> how do I get the log file NuttyBunny ?
Jun 03 19:33:37 <Boopop> Sorry I keep nagging you today :P
Jun 03 19:49:39 <leiru> phew.
Jun 03 19:50:33 <leiru> just send my updated ipk to the touchpad contest- they have now 3 mails from me, but i never got an answer.
Jun 03 19:53:45 <leiru> hm, have to hack my rails backend for my next app together. mmh...
Jun 03 20:04:26 <NuttyBunny> Boopop: Sorry, the log file is created in the DebugMP folder in your usb drive
Jun 03 20:04:38 <Boopop> No problem =)
Jun 03 20:07:28 <Boopop> Hmm there's some DebugMP .sh files NuttyBunny , but no folder...
Jun 03 20:08:00 <NuttyBunny> you didn't look into the thread :)   you have to run the .sh files and try to connect
Jun 03 20:08:24 <Boopop> well I did, I looked at the first post as I assumed that was where it'd be :P
Jun 03 20:08:30 <NuttyBunny> http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/278796-synergy-messaging-plugins-webos-2-x.html   First post, "Issues" section
Jun 03 20:08:33 <Boopop> But nevermind, will have another look :)
Jun 03 20:08:35 <Boopop> Hmm
Jun 03 20:08:43 <NuttyBunny> You didn't look well enough.. heheh
Jun 03 20:08:43 <Boopop> I did a CTRL-G for "log"
Jun 03 20:08:45 <Boopop> xD
Jun 03 20:09:02 <Boopop> Thanks for pointing it out :P
Jun 03 20:15:00 <Boopop> What does it mean by "Root to your device and run" NuttyBunny ?
Jun 03 20:15:10 <Boopop> terminal app or something else?
Jun 03 20:15:24 <NuttyBunny> terminal app, novaterm, etc
Jun 03 20:15:39 <Boopop> Hmm
Jun 03 20:15:45 <Boopop> terminal doesn't appear to be working
Jun 03 20:16:00 <Boopop> nothing appearing on the screen except black
Jun 03 20:17:53 <matbee> btw
Jun 03 20:17:59 <matbee> can anyone else see <3's on their Pre 2?
Jun 03 20:18:08 <Boopop> how do you mean?
Jun 03 20:18:09 <matbee> it comes in blank for me, and anything else following it
Jun 03 20:18:36 <matbee> like if someone sends me <3 in an sms/gtalk message, it comes in blank
Jun 03 20:18:43 <Boopop> oh
Jun 03 20:18:44 <Boopop> dunno
Jun 03 20:18:47 <Boopop> haven't got that yet xD
Jun 03 20:18:54 <matbee> you should try texting yourself
Jun 03 20:19:42 <NuttyBunny> Boopop: use xterm or better yet, novaterm
Jun 03 20:19:58 <Boopop> which, if any, can I use on windows? :P
Jun 03 20:20:08 <Boopop> I fear you'll say none xD
Jun 03 20:20:16 <Boopop> I have ubuntu
Jun 03 20:20:24 <Boopop> but grub needs fixing
Jun 03 20:20:25 <NuttyBunny> Windows: Novaterm, but you have to install the SDK
Jun 03 20:20:34 <NuttyBunny> Ubuntu: novaterm (comes with novacomd)
Jun 03 20:20:45 <Boopop> Ah I want the sdk anyway
Jun 03 20:20:53 <Boopop> don't think I can be bothered doing it today however
Jun 03 20:21:34 <Boopop> tomorrow! xD
Jun 03 20:24:28 <NuttyBunny> ok :)
Jun 03 20:24:52 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: I see "flex" mentioned here and there, what the **** is its function??!
Jun 03 20:24:55 <NuttyBunny> :)
Jun 03 20:25:19 <ozetadev> auto changing space between to objects, like if you want a header at the top and a toolbar at the bottom
Jun 03 20:25:26 <ozetadev> two*
Jun 03 20:26:03 <NuttyBunny> ah, nice, thanks
Jun 03 20:27:26 <SineOt> Oh, yeah. Flexboxes
Jun 03 20:27:29 <SineOt> Cool stuff
Jun 03 20:27:47 <ryanwatkins> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-flexbox/
Jun 03 20:29:26 <sugardave> flexboxes are the bomb...I wish I had know about them earlier in my Mojo days :/
Jun 03 20:34:08 <NuttyBunny> cool :D   unfortunately I think I need something else... heheeh
Jun 03 20:41:23 <NuttyBunny> whoa.. webkit-transform: rotate(xx)  I wonder....
Jun 03 20:41:49 <maik> whose up for an html hacking question? :)
Jun 03 20:42:03 <maik> well js/html whatsahoosits
Jun 03 20:43:35 <ryanwatkins> transform w/ rotate for an animation from 0 -> 360 - animated syncing icon from a static one.
Jun 03 20:44:47 <maik> i'm processing some posts and gets in javascript, and the last one i need to do is a bit tricky.  the response data from the last POST is an html page with a form.  when the page loads it has a <body onload="document.formname.submit()">.  is there any way i can call that from javascript with that page inside of the response object?
Jun 03 20:45:41 <ryanwatkins> or rotate your page every time you get a rotation event from the OS - crazy rotation lock w/o size lock.
Jun 03 20:46:06 <maik> or rotate your entire page 0 - 360 as an animated syncing icon
Jun 03 20:46:17 <maik> wwhhhooaaaaaaa
Jun 03 20:46:26 <ryanwatkins> nice.  put up a spinner and it will look to stay put too.
Jun 03 20:46:32 <maik> lol
Jun 03 20:46:35 <ryanwatkins> while the page spins around it
Jun 03 20:46:43 <maik> what fun
Jun 03 20:47:26 <NuttyBunny> yeap! ... my wondering is that if the devices will support that
Jun 03 20:47:50 * NuttyBunny files "the" emu
Jun 03 20:48:27 <ryanwatkins> maik: you just inlining that html in your app, or this is in an iframe or webview?
Jun 03 20:48:44 <maik> it's strictly processing pages behind the scenes
Jun 03 20:49:01 <leiru> maik: document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", init, false);
Jun 03 20:49:08 <leiru> do you mean this?
Jun 03 20:49:45 <maik> unless that can somehow fit into an Ajax.Request onSuccess()
Jun 03 20:50:44 <ryanwatkins> so .. process the response, for the inputs, and just submit them to the form action?  IE figure out what you need to do programatically by parsing the data of the response.
Jun 03 20:50:44 <leiru> a i did not understand your question :)
Jun 03 20:50:45 <leiru> sorry
Jun 03 20:50:49 <maik> my best idea so far is to take all of the form data and construct the POST request, which is probably the best way
Jun 03 20:51:26 <maik> i was just thinking, i've got this html page in response, i should be able to do something with the dom to pull the form out and submit it
Jun 03 20:51:29 <maik> i just don't know how
Jun 03 20:51:59 <ryanwatkins> innerHTML it into something and then walk thru it
Jun 03 20:52:18 <NuttyBunny> Nice, works exactly the same way :D
Jun 03 20:52:23 * NuttyBunny returns to his app.. hehehe
Jun 03 20:52:52 <ryanwatkins> just make a new node not in the dom, innerHTML the response into that node and hten walk the node looking for inputs and the form action.
Jun 03 20:53:07 <maik> ok
Jun 03 20:53:41 <ryanwatkins> or ask for a better API.  :)
Jun 03 20:53:52 <maik> i don't suppose there's a form node i could somehow do form.innerHTML = response_data; and the form.submit()? :)
Jun 03 20:55:24 <ryanwatkins> you'd want to intercept the form submit anyway and bundle it up - you dont want to let the app page navigate away - thats likely going to open a browser card to that destination.
Jun 03 20:56:01 <maik> good point
Jun 03 20:56:09 <maik> to the IDE!
Jun 03 20:56:11 <ryanwatkins> could use jquery or whatever to do the whole ajax form submit stuff for you rather than write it tho.
Jun 03 20:56:50 <ryanwatkins> wow, actual code discussion in this forum.  such a rarity
Jun 03 20:56:55 <maik> heh
Jun 03 20:57:12 <maik> usually only when i'm around, and i'm not normally around :P
Jun 03 20:58:37 <ryanwatkins> and with alot of people interested in 3.0 development, they're too worried about being beaten by the NDA police I guess.
Jun 03 21:05:04 <maik> kind of a stupid question, but what's the best element to create in this instance?
Jun 03 21:05:10 <maik> something that doesn't take a lot of memory and such :)
Jun 03 21:05:43 <ryanwatkins> doubt it matters, I'd normally make div or span.
Jun 03 21:06:01 <maik> k
Jun 03 21:09:40 <leiru> anyone got in contact with touchpadsk email address?
Jun 03 21:11:45 <ozetadev> why?
Jun 03 21:15:35 <leiru> showed my touchpad app to kevin hague in berlin, and he said, as the app was in a real early state, that i should write to them.
Jun 03 21:15:41 <leiru> but got no answer yet
Jun 03 21:16:25 <ryanwatkins> my guess - everybody at HP/Palm is literally scrambling on a bazillion issues.
Jun 03 21:17:39 <ryanwatkins> so when they look at the email of things to deal with and its "ny times", "netflix", "mlb" and ... someone.  its a matter of priority.
Jun 03 21:17:53 <sugardave> you're probably right
Jun 03 21:18:04 <sugardave> or you could be really wrong...who knows? :D
Jun 03 21:21:05 <oil> the real answer is sugardave deletes your email
Jun 03 21:21:25 <oil> "this one is from oil... OOPS"
Jun 03 21:21:39 <leiru> haha
Jun 03 21:21:39 <ryanwatkins> two email folders - "before launch" and "after launch".
Jun 03 21:21:56 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 03 21:22:47 <oil> and the trash
Jun 03 21:24:16 <leiru> i think sugardave did it more elegant and just added our email adresses to the blacklist of the spam assasin
Jun 03 21:24:36 <oil> why sugardave WHY
Jun 03 21:24:42 <sugardave> stupidn Windows...when I want to pin something to the task bar, I want you to pin it from the shortcut where I have made special parameters...not the original .exe with no paramters that you can manage
Jun 03 21:25:15 <sugardave> you all were always so mean to me, now it's payback time! MUAHahahaha
Jun 03 21:25:38 * halfhalo will still be mean
Jun 03 21:25:47 <ryanwatkins> except for when mom say "i pinned that shortcut, lets go delete the other one"
Jun 03 21:26:06 * sugardave buries halfhalo alive.
Jun 03 21:26:27 * halfhalo brought shovel.  and knifes.
Jun 03 21:26:36 <sugardave> ryanwatkins: I guess so...but then I need the "yes, I want to have the potential to shoot myself inthe foot" option
Jun 03 21:27:04 <ryanwatkins> os's these days are not made for us anymore.  witness lion and windows8
Jun 03 21:27:32 <sugardave> *sigh*
Jun 03 21:27:42 <oil> :/
Jun 03 21:27:59 <sugardave> oil: still in jury duty?
Jun 03 21:28:05 <oil> yeah
Jun 03 21:28:16 <sugardave> jeez, are they ever going to finish?
Jun 03 21:28:18 <oil> the case im on goes till next wednesday
Jun 03 21:28:30 <sugardave> ah, well at least there's an end in sight
Jun 03 21:28:42 <oil> if i didn't get picked yesterday i would be done already
Jun 03 21:28:51 <oil> im an alt, too
Jun 03 21:28:56 <oil> so all this and i dont get to decide
Jun 03 21:29:12 <oil> unless one of the other jurors needs to leave or whatever
Jun 03 21:29:27 <sugardave> ah, the bench warmer
Jun 03 21:30:39 <sugardave> okay, I think I have overcome Windows stupidity on that front
Jun 03 21:30:40 <oil> lol, my juror badge thing i have to wear is the only one in comic sans too
Jun 03 21:30:50 <sugardave> time to smoke and celebrate
Jun 03 21:30:58 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 03 21:31:26 <sugardave> you should have put the Wheel O' Blame on the back
Jun 03 21:33:57 <oil> http://i51.tinypic.com/bef04g.png
Jun 03 21:34:20 <leiru> today i harvested the first habanero of 9
Jun 03 21:34:48 <Popple3> submit on left, cancel on right, or cancel on left, submit on right?
Jun 03 21:35:42 <ryanwatkins> nice.  day balanced out.  Had to fix a DOM rendering issue that exists in the emulator but not Chrome 11, and then had another one that only breaks in Chrome 11, but not the emulator.  nice.
Jun 03 21:36:05 <ryanwatkins> intended action always on right
Jun 03 21:38:01 <ryanwatkins> hopefully with text more descriptive than "submit"
Jun 03 21:38:16 <oil> "THIS BUTTON!"
Jun 03 21:38:19 <Popple3> ryanwatkins: Yeah, it's not just submit :P
Jun 03 21:39:22 <ryanwatkins> atleast the "reset" button for web forms is usually gone now, but "submit" lives on.
Jun 03 21:39:23 <leiru> Popple3: "submit this!" :D
Jun 03 21:39:39 <Popple3> leiru: Exactly :P
Jun 03 21:39:53 <Popple3> so, stick the submit button on the right, you say?
Jun 03 21:40:01 <ryanwatkins> "Send" "Buy" "Delete" "Add"
Jun 03 21:40:05 <ryanwatkins> ya
Jun 03 21:41:11 <ryanwatkins> unless your in some bi-di language I guess.  that always gets fun.
Jun 03 21:41:32 <Popple3> "Delete" "Add"? how can you delete what's not added? :P
Jun 03 21:42:11 <ryanwatkins> just examples of words that clarify the action about to be taken.
Jun 03 21:42:19 <Popple3> "Discard", "Create Post" <- all good?
Jun 03 21:42:59 <ryanwatkins> Just "Post" unless youre actually constructing a draft or something.
Jun 03 21:43:08 <oil> back swipe == cancel
Jun 03 21:43:08 <Popple3> touché
Jun 03 21:43:17 <ryanwatkins> or building a wooden post.
Jun 03 21:43:22 <Popple3> oil: [REDACTED]
Jun 03 21:43:29 <oil> meh
Jun 03 21:43:31 <haeffb> poop
Jun 03 21:44:21 <oil> hey, its adora
Jun 03 21:44:33 * Popple3 waves at Adora
Jun 03 21:44:38 <oil> hopefully we'll get another wirc build submitted this evening
Jun 03 21:44:50 <halfhalo>    Lol
Jun 03 21:45:33 <haeffb> ok, better
Jun 03 21:45:35 <ryanwatkins> new code works *except* when its in the middle of animating a scroll.  bleh.
Jun 03 21:46:00 <leiru> oil: did they not liked the current build?
Jun 03 21:46:07 <haeffb> ryanwatkins: better rephrased as "new code doesn't work" ?
Jun 03 21:46:17 <oil> they didn't like the first 4 or so submissions haha
Jun 03 21:46:43 <haeffb> sugardave: did you see that I finally realized the solution?
Jun 03 21:46:47 <ryanwatkins> mostly works.  kinda works.  has bugs.  or more likely "browser as no idea how big something is as its animating".
Jun 03 21:46:52 <halfhalo> Palm:4 wIRC:0
Jun 03 21:47:21 <haeffb> Palm is dead. HPwebOS
Jun 03 21:47:38 <oil> actually, only 3 times
Jun 03 21:47:41 <oil> this will be the 4th
Jun 03 21:48:06 <halfhalo> Shiite
Jun 03 21:48:09 <halfhalo> Shinnied
Jun 03 21:48:19 * haeffb cleaning up drunk coding errors
Jun 03 21:48:20 * halfhalo gives up
Jun 03 21:48:31 <halfhalo> Stupid iPad autocorrect
Jun 03 21:48:48 <ka6sox-never> stupid walled gardens :P
Jun 03 21:49:49 <halfhalo> At least I have a garden!
Jun 03 21:50:38 <sugardave> haeffb: maybe....which solution?
Jun 03 21:50:47 <sugardave> the wrong order solution?
Jun 03 21:50:53 <sugardave> or something else I missed entirely
Jun 03 21:52:08 <haeffb> the menu event issue
Jun 03 21:53:34 <leiru> ryanwatkins: lol - i got an idea
Jun 03 21:54:01 <leiru> ryanwatkins: i send another mail with my ipk and name the topic "huffington post" or something like this :D
Jun 03 21:54:17 <halfhalo> Doitdoitdoit
Jun 03 21:54:31 <ryanwatkins> spoof your email address and rename your app.
Jun 03 21:56:36 * halfhalo goes to setup NetBook with that linux thing
Jun 03 21:58:38 <ryanwatkins> oo emulator crashed and rebooted itself - thats a first.
Jun 03 22:01:36 <LoneStar99> ryanwatkins:  i think that has happened to me a few times before especially 2.x
Jun 03 22:04:24 * NuttyBunny looks at halfhalo while he tries to put the linux thing on his netbook :D
Jun 03 22:04:47 <Loudergood> lol
Jun 03 22:04:57 <Loudergood> going to use noobuntu?
Jun 03 22:06:23 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Jun 03 22:06:39 * NuttyBunny points halfhalo at gentoo
Jun 03 22:08:12 <leiru> i had this issue of rebooting with exhibition mode in 2.x
Jun 03 22:09:07 * Loudergood challenges NuttyBunny to install gentoo on the baby pre or a pixi
Jun 03 22:10:29 * halfhalo notes he has win 7 install USB drive next to him and is feeling lazy
Jun 03 22:11:06 <LoneStar99> anyone here messed with draggable divs?
Jun 03 22:15:07 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: mmm... it would be a good idea... to see the Pixi insides melt ;)
Jun 03 22:15:54 <NuttyBunny> Argh, is there an image property that makes the image clickthrough??? :S
Jun 03 22:23:55 <Popple3> is there a way to make links not open when I finish a scroll on it?
Jun 03 22:28:30 <sugardave> hey, I use noobuntu and not afraid to admit it...I lack the time required to maintain uber-l337ness in all things all the time
Jun 03 23:08:43 <Loudergood> sugardave: yeah I know, it was more of a backhanded compliment, I'm a huge fan of ubuntu and debian
Jun 04 00:17:52 <leiru> ööh
Jun 04 00:18:09 <leiru> getting tired :|
Jun 04 00:44:05 <edude03> rage rage rage
Jun 04 00:44:14 <edude03> My WobOS device didn't last half a day
Jun 04 00:45:58 <leiru> edude03: why? did you throw it in water or against some walls?
Jun 04 01:55:57 <edude03> leiru: I want to
Jun 04 01:56:06 <edude03> However it's still in one piece
Jun 04 01:56:18 <edude03> That said I'm in love with webos the OS is so well put together
Jun 04 01:56:43 <edude03> If I can eek a solid 18 hours out of the Pre 3 I'll probably buy one
Jun 04 01:58:07 <Tommy> edude03: i heard you're jewish
Jun 04 02:00:18 <edude03> You're completely wrong
Jun 04 02:00:25 <edude03> Who the f said that :/
Jun 04 02:00:37 <edude03> And hey tommy good to see you on IRC again :)
Jun 04 02:00:44 <Tommy> :D
Jun 04 02:00:56 <Tommy> oh right this is webos, i can't go around calling people jewish... didn't realize what channel we were in
Jun 04 02:01:28 <edude03> :P
Jun 04 02:02:28 <Popple3> damn happy with this app :D
Jun 04 02:02:37 <Popple3> need to get some sleep though
Jun 04 02:03:05 <Popple3> tomorrow I shall conquer the world
Jun 04 02:03:17 <Tommy> good luck, Popple3, i also have a stuffed toy called Popple
Jun 04 02:03:21 <Tommy> he's a soccer ball/bear thing
Jun 04 02:03:36 * Popple3 is not named after Popples
Jun 04 02:03:37 <Popple3> lol
Jun 04 02:03:46 <Tommy> :D
Jun 04 02:04:23 <Popple3> I never even heard of them until one day someone on some IRC channel sent me a link
Jun 04 02:04:38 <Popple3> but screw that, not changing my username now, it's been in use way too long :P
Jun 04 02:04:43 <edude03> The pre+ has a terribad camera
Jun 04 02:04:50 <Tommy> Popple3: i think that was me who did it
Jun 04 02:06:13 <Popple3> Tommy: O_o I think it was someone on #iphonelinux on irc.osx86.hu
Jun 04 02:06:32 <Tommy> oh, well i know i've linked you to a picture of mine in here
Jun 04 02:06:54 <Popple3> ah, I must've been offline at the time
Jun 04 02:07:01 <Tommy> http://www.aliviastoys.com/popples/soccerpopple2.jpg
Jun 04 02:07:02 <Tommy> there's my guy
Jun 04 02:07:08 <Popple3> must figure out how to make my bouncer log all mentions
Jun 04 02:07:11 <Tommy> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/1013551_63ef059b92.jpg
Jun 04 02:07:19 <Tommy> yeah i should do that too
Jun 04 02:07:38 <edude03> Someone should make one what sends you an email like twitter
Jun 04 02:08:38 <edude03> OK my webosians I need two (three?) things to complete my WebOS life: 1)
Jun 04 02:08:43 <Popple3> edude03: I tried setting up a plugin to send me a push notification to my Desire, but I don't use that anymore, and I couldn't get it working
Jun 04 02:08:43 <edude03> A lagfix I need that bad
Jun 04 02:09:19 <edude03> A way to boost my battey life other than have Tommy follow me with a diesel generator
Jun 04 02:09:42 <edude03> and I need to figure out how to write a plugin, but I can look at some code samples and I'll be OK
Jun 04 02:09:42 * Popple3 wishes people like Tommy didn't associate him with that stuffed toy
Jun 04 02:10:02 <Popple3> edude03: Well, for #2, spare battery :P
Jun 04 02:10:09 <Popple3> I carry one in my wallet
Jun 04 02:10:30 <edude03> Spare batt is not an option
Jun 04 02:10:34 <edude03> For two reasons
Jun 04 02:10:41 <edude03> 1) How will I charge a second battery?
Jun 04 02:10:42 <dawm> Poople, would you rather people assoc. you with poop?
Jun 04 02:10:51 <Popple3> dawm: -___-
Jun 04 02:11:03 <edude03> 2) (more of a pride reason) My beastly galaxy s does more and goes longer on a charge
Jun 04 02:11:06 <Popple3> edude03: With an external battery charger that's impossible to find :P
Jun 04 02:11:07 <edude03> there is something wrong there
Jun 04 02:11:08 <dawm> Change it to Papple3
Jun 04 02:11:27 <dawm> Poople3, you can get a broke device on ebay cheap and use it solely as a charger :P
Jun 04 02:11:30 * Popple3 charges his spare battery with his Pixi Plus
Jun 04 02:11:49 <edude03> If I had a nother webos device then yeah :)
Jun 04 02:12:22 <edude03> Seriously though, can someone explain the random lag to me? My phone is stock so I doubt I'm doing something wrong
Jun 04 02:12:22 <Popple3> I always used a spare battery with my Desire too
Jun 04 02:12:39 <edude03> Which means everyone else has the same problem or a fix for said problem :P
Jun 04 02:12:43 <Popple3> edude03: What device/OS version is it?
Jun 04 02:12:52 <edude03> Pre+ / WebOS 2.1
Jun 04 02:12:59 <edude03> Though I had the same issue in 1.4.5
Jun 04 02:13:28 <edude03> Where for a few seconds it pauses, then excutes everything I tried while it was frozen
Jun 04 02:13:54 <edude03> I notice it the most when swiping up because sometimes I think I didn't do it right so I try again
Jun 04 02:14:13 <edude03> then it will unfreeze and take me to the app drawer (since I swiped up twice)
Jun 04 02:14:28 <edude03> I notice it a lot while browsing the web too
Jun 04 02:14:34 <Popple3> yeah, I get the same on my Pre 2 / webOS 2.1, but for at most a second, usually a fraction of
Jun 04 02:14:37 <edude03> where I'll flick the page a few times and nothing will happen
Jun 04 02:14:52 <edude03> then suddenly it will be like ZOOOM
Jun 04 02:15:33 <halfhalo> VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO
Jun 04 02:16:02 <Popple3> and of course there's when it will stop scrolling until you change scene or hold down for a second and let go
Jun 04 02:16:09 <edude03> Also: why can't I use the phone while it's in USB mode?
Jun 04 02:16:17 <edude03> That's a pretty dumb design decision
Jun 04 02:16:35 <edude03> Because with my droids, I usually leave them in storage mode until I move from my computer
Jun 04 02:16:43 <edude03> *move away from*
Jun 04 02:17:29 * edude03 is excited as you can tell 
Jun 04 02:17:41 <Popple3> It doesn't bother me too much now, but when I was initially putting my music on it, that was just annoying
Jun 04 02:18:54 * halfhalo goes to find bandages for his fingers
Jun 04 02:19:22 <edude03> you got the throwing knives halfhalo :P
Jun 04 02:19:29 <Popple3> edude03: It's annoying though when you consider you can get and put files through novaterm without losing phone functionality
Jun 04 02:19:39 <halfhalo> yes, but those are not sharp.  other knife is holycrapsharp
Jun 04 02:19:52 <oil> you're doing it wrong
Jun 04 02:20:01 <edude03> LOL~!
Jun 04 02:20:09 <edude03> Yeah palm why would you do this?
Jun 04 02:20:21 <edude03> It's annoying when you consider the iPhone is the only other phone that does that
Jun 04 02:20:23 <oil> my comment was to halfhalo xD
Jun 04 02:20:33 <halfhalo> was cutting something and 30 seconds later i look at my hands and theirs blood everywhere
Jun 04 02:20:40 <halfhalo> I mean, i didn't even notice
Jun 04 02:20:58 <Popple3> edude03: And Symbian
Jun 04 02:21:09 <Popple3> no wait
Jun 04 02:21:15 <Popple3> *old Symbian
Jun 04 02:21:22 <edude03> Not symbian hmm maybe
Jun 04 02:21:29 <halfhalo> pretty sure i could take off a finger with this knife with no effort
Jun 04 02:21:29 <Popple3> and old Sony Ericsson
Jun 04 02:21:30 <edude03> The oldest Symbian device I have is the E71
Jun 04 02:21:41 <Popple3> keywords here being "old"
Jun 04 02:21:54 <edude03> halfhalo: is that a knife or a katana :P
Jun 04 02:22:02 <halfhalo> its a knife
Jun 04 02:22:19 <Popple3> halfhalo: Meat cleaver? :P
Jun 04 02:22:21 <edude03> Wjat
Jun 04 02:22:22 <edude03> s
Jun 04 02:22:27 <halfhalo> no, crkt m21
Jun 04 02:22:38 <edude03> *What's novaterm anyway? Just a terminal emulator?
Jun 04 02:22:58 <halfhalo> its sharper than the holycarpscaryknife thats one day going to end up killing someone
Jun 04 02:23:27 <Popple3> edude03: ever use adb on android
Jun 04 02:23:33 <edude03> :|
Jun 04 02:23:33 <Popple3> adb shell in particular
Jun 04 02:23:44 <edude03> I'm almost offended :P
Jun 04 02:23:47 <edude03> But yes I have
Jun 04 02:24:14 <Popple3> edude03: :P well then novaterm ~= adb shell
Jun 04 02:24:33 <edude03> OK
Jun 04 02:24:40 <edude03> Then I'll be right at home
Jun 04 02:24:41 <Popple3> well, it has a few other functions as well, so not quite just the shell part
Jun 04 02:25:01 <edude03> But for reference I've been hacking droids since y'all were knee high to a whipper snapper :P
Jun 04 02:25:13 <halfhalo> novacom does more fancy stuff
Jun 04 02:25:21 <edude03> Got the G1 on launch day and been at it since :)
Jun 04 02:25:27 <halfhalo> yes... because droids are REALLY that old
Jun 04 02:25:33 <edude03> I need to look into this novaterm thing :P
Jun 04 02:25:55 <halfhalo> And I got my pre launch day as well, so what? doesn't mean a thing
Jun 04 02:26:12 <edude03> Not bragging or anything
Jun 04 02:26:21 <edude03> Just saying I've been using android that long
Jun 04 02:27:44 <cwayne1> edude03: lol android hipster
Jun 04 02:28:06 <edude03> Except I've never been to I/O
Jun 04 02:28:13 <edude03> I'm so ashamed of myself :<
Jun 04 02:29:49 <oil> gosh
Jun 04 02:30:20 <edude03> I saved up money to go this year but tickets sold out instantly :'(
Jun 04 02:30:25 <halfhalo> throws oil onto edude03 and flicks his lighter on them
Jun 04 02:30:32 * halfhalo fails at /me
Jun 04 02:30:48 <haeffb> and other things
Jun 04 02:30:54 <oil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
Jun 04 02:30:58 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 04 02:31:21 <haeffb> sugardave is out playing with a shiny new touchpad
Jun 04 02:31:31 <haeffb> and we're stuck with...what...?
Jun 04 02:31:33 <halfhalo> road trip!
Jun 04 02:31:50 <edude03> What but the touchpad isn't out yet :|
Jun 04 02:31:50 <haeffb> good idea. I'll meet you there in two days!
Jun 04 02:32:09 * edude03 is jelly
Jun 04 02:32:22 <oil> its cause he took a job at hp
Jun 04 02:32:28 <halfhalo> sellout
Jun 04 02:32:33 <haeffb> edude03: that is a good point, but quite irelevant in this casse.
Jun 04 02:32:36 * edude03 is unjelly
Jun 04 02:32:57 * haeffb would take a job at hp.
Jun 04 02:33:01 <Tommy> Popple3: i love that stuffed toy
Jun 04 02:33:03 <edude03> I'd only be jelly if it fell off a truck into his car or something
Jun 04 02:33:16 * halfhalo tried to intern at hp
Jun 04 02:33:24 <edude03> Working at HP is cheating :/
Jun 04 02:33:26 <Tommy> edude03: you can get a spare battery charger most times
Jun 04 02:33:41 <haeffb> cheating at life
Jun 04 02:33:42 <edude03> Tommy: you are like an hour back in the convo :P
Jun 04 02:33:50 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: I sent my resume to some guy who was in here
Jun 04 02:33:56 <Tommy> i'm aware, i'm also baked so i'm about to fall farther back in the convo
Jun 04 02:33:59 <summatusmentis> the enyo guy
Jun 04 02:34:02 <halfhalo> summatusmentis: matt?
Jun 04 02:34:04 <Tommy> lol @ canadians who don't smoke
Jun 04 02:34:08 <edude03> Tommy: drugs r bad mkay
Jun 04 02:34:20 <Tommy> a black canadian, that's like, someone who should be twice as stoned
Jun 04 02:34:21 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: probably? whoever gave the big enyo talk
Jun 04 02:34:37 <edude03> LOL hey stfu racist :P
Jun 04 02:34:38 <halfhalo> summatusmentis: i talked to the same guy, but nothing ever really happened later on
Jun 04 02:34:47 <summatusmentis> pretty much
Jun 04 02:34:50 <Tommy> lol dude, all of my friends are black and hispanic
Jun 04 02:34:59 <edude03> Are you white though :|
Jun 04 02:35:02 <summatusmentis> I sent him an email, attached my resume, he said "thanks", never heard from him again
Jun 04 02:35:06 <Tommy> ...not saying that means i'm not racist, it means i have reason to be
Jun 04 02:35:06 <cwayne1> ITS OKAY I HAVE A BLACK FRIEND
Jun 04 02:35:08 <Tommy> MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jun 04 02:35:12 <Tommy> cwayne1: no, see how i spun off on that?
Jun 04 02:35:23 <halfhalo> summatusmentis: exchanged a few emails, but not much else
Jun 04 02:35:38 <cwayne1> Tommy: hard to say... little drunk
Jun 04 02:35:42 <Tommy> lol
Jun 04 02:35:46 * cwayne1 does his best webos dev while drunk
Jun 04 02:35:55 <Tommy> edude03: yeah amigo, i'm white as snow
Jun 04 02:35:56 <Tommy> 100% irish
Jun 04 02:36:04 <oil> thats gonna be buggy
Jun 04 02:36:10 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: ah, that's further than I got. I wouldn't have been good on his team anyway, I'm bad at web dev
Jun 04 02:36:16 <Tommy> the school i'm just graduating from is 10% white >.<
Jun 04 02:36:23 <halfhalo> summatusmentis: i wanted to work on the node part badly
Jun 04 02:36:23 <edude03> With a name like 'Tommy' not suprised 1%
Jun 04 02:36:32 <Tommy> i know right
Jun 04 02:36:36 <Tommy> and you've seen my last name, irish as can be
Jun 04 02:36:40 <summatusmentis> yeh, node is cool, at least from what I know about it
Jun 04 02:36:43 <edude03> mc' something
Jun 04 02:36:47 <edude03> o' something
Jun 04 02:36:56 <summatusmentis> McO'Henry
Jun 04 02:37:01 <edude03> Wait
Jun 04 02:37:01 <Tommy> lol
Jun 04 02:37:05 <edude03> I know your last name
Jun 04 02:37:11 <edude03> It doesn't sound irish to me
Jun 04 02:37:12 <Tommy> no shit, that's why i said you've seen it
Jun 04 02:37:16 <Tommy> you're dumb.
Jun 04 02:37:23 <Tommy> look at the last half of it
Jun 04 02:37:30 <Tommy> shannahan, callahan, ___ahan
Jun 04 02:37:32 <edude03> I'm not very cultured I guess
Jun 04 02:37:34 <halfhalo> pot, meet kettle
Jun 04 02:37:37 <edude03> TRUE!
Jun 04 02:37:48 <Tommy> i won't say my full name on IRC, don't trust you fuckers >.<
Jun 04 02:37:56 <cwayne1> IM GONNA GOOGLE YOU
Jun 04 02:38:00 <Tommy> NUUUU
Jun 04 02:38:22 * halfhalo pokes reverse ip + his trusty dusty dmv stuff
Jun 04 02:38:23 <edude03> Not going to lie Tommy I was worried that you sent me a brick in a box :P
Jun 04 02:38:31 <Tommy> lololol i have the nick "GoatTimeLumber" registered on freenode
Jun 04 02:38:39 <Tommy> halfhalo: reverse IP on my cloaked hostmask?
Jun 04 02:38:41 <cwayne1> Tommy: wait you just graduated?  please not from high school?
Jun 04 02:38:48 <Tommy> cwayne1: no sir, i'm 23.
Jun 04 02:38:58 <cwayne1> Tommy: lulz me too
Jun 04 02:39:03 <Tommy> fun
Jun 04 02:39:07 <cwayne1> im sick of everyone being fucking younger than me
Jun 04 02:39:10 <cwayne1> like fuckin patrick
Jun 04 02:39:12 <cwayne1> where the fuck is he
Jun 04 02:39:16 <halfhalo> Tommy: meh, i can find some logs somewhere where your hostname is shown easily
Jun 04 02:39:17 <ozetadev> hey....
Jun 04 02:39:20 * oil is not younger then you
Jun 04 02:39:23 <edude03> I'm 12 and what is this?
Jun 04 02:39:27 <Tommy> edude03: i've sold phones to other people on IRC, not a craigslist deal but just sold my own phone... i've also met about half of #android in person
Jun 04 02:39:30 <halfhalo> cwayne1: hopefully in fires of doom
Jun 04 02:39:31 <cwayne1> edude03: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Jun 04 02:39:37 <cwayne1> halfhalo: hahahahaaaaaaaa
Jun 04 02:39:41 <Tommy> so my reputation on IRC, besides those who think i'm a troll, is solid
Jun 04 02:39:54 <edude03> Tommy: Yeah I trust you I guess :P
Jun 04 02:40:02 <edude03> OH thats right
Jun 04 02:40:04 <summatusmentis> trust is for the weak
Jun 04 02:40:05 * halfhalo doesn't trust anyone here
Jun 04 02:40:07 <summatusmentis> or, you know, something
Jun 04 02:40:16 <edude03> I need to ask kyak if he's met kmobs
Jun 04 02:40:17 * oil trusts everyone BUT halfhalo
Jun 04 02:40:20 <halfhalo> trust is for those lacking sharp objects
Jun 04 02:40:20 <Tommy> halfhalo: i connect through a bouncer, so even without the cloak i don't think you'd see my hostmask, but i'm sure you could figure it out looking far back enough
Jun 04 02:40:36 <cwayne1> whoah man
Jun 04 02:40:51 <cwayne1> when im at work its cloaked, other than that i dont give a fuck
Jun 04 02:40:52 <Tommy> i'm not all that worried about it, just don't wanna throw that info around
Jun 04 02:41:02 <Tommy> there's no reason for you all to know who i am
Jun 04 02:41:20 * halfhalo can be found on the interwebs by his username
Jun 04 02:41:24 <summatusmentis> stalking isn't a reason? I disagree
Jun 04 02:41:26 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: me too
Jun 04 02:41:27 <edude03> All my data is in my google profile
Jun 04 02:41:32 <edude03> Google me if you dare :|
Jun 04 02:41:46 * oil can't, you can't google oil without getting a boat load of irrelevant results
Jun 04 02:41:48 <summatusmentis> my email signature is on publically eaccessibly list-servs
Jun 04 02:41:48 <Tommy> yeah, see, that's why i switched my name to "Tommy" from what it used to be, it had part of my last name in it too
Jun 04 02:41:49 <halfhalo> actually, you can find a crapton about me via my username
Jun 04 02:42:06 <cwayne1> HAHA I BET YOU GUYS CANT GUESS MY LAST NAME
Jun 04 02:42:10 <Tommy> the thing is, i like giving verbal beatdowns on IRC, and every now and again you get a megabuddy
Jun 04 02:42:20 <summatusmentis> most of what you can find about me I don't actually care if you know
Jun 04 02:42:20 * oil guesses wayne1
Jun 04 02:42:26 <edude03> omg is it lil' cwayne1 ?
Jun 04 02:42:30 <Tommy> "megabuddy" = person who googles all of your info, addresses, phone numbers, etc and and puts it on irc
Jun 04 02:42:39 <cwayne1> goddamnit why is there still a 1
Jun 04 02:42:44 <cwayne1> oh fuck i stayed logged in at work
Jun 04 02:42:46 <halfhalo> most of my results are for a forum, which leads to other forums with my name on articles
Jun 04 02:42:47 <oil> lol
Jun 04 02:42:50 <Tommy> lolllll
Jun 04 02:42:55 <Tommy> ghost it, cwayne1
Jun 04 02:43:01 <cwayne1> Tommy: YOURE NOT MY BOSS
Jun 04 02:43:09 <halfhalo> he is now!
Jun 04 02:43:11 <summatusmentis> torchie-nook: why do I feel like I've seen your nick someplace other than here and #webos-internals?
Jun 04 02:43:13 <Tommy> i might be, you don't know my name
Jun 04 02:43:23 * halfhalo is named bob
Jun 04 02:43:52 <halfhalo> bob sanchez.
Jun 04 02:43:53 <torchie-nook> Because you have
Jun 04 02:44:01 <torchie-nook> Wait have you
Jun 04 02:44:02 <Tommy> dirty sanchez
Jun 04 02:44:17 <summatusmentis> torchie-nook: are you affiliated w/ gsoc at all?
Jun 04 02:44:18 <torchie-nook> Im in #mac at times
Jun 04 02:44:36 <torchie-nook> Summer of code? Not at all
Jun 04 02:44:38 <Tommy> ew, #mac
Jun 04 02:44:46 <edude03> gives torchie-nook props
Jun 04 02:44:51 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 04 02:44:52 <edude03> mac is teh best
Jun 04 02:44:57 <Tommy> you are a noob
Jun 04 02:45:03 <summatusmentis> oh, hrm... now it's just gonna bug me
Jun 04 02:45:05 <Tommy> the next phone you want me to buy, i'm keeping it and sending you a brick
Jun 04 02:45:14 <Tommy> just because you like macs.
Jun 04 02:45:25 * halfhalo uses mac for dev, zune hd for media, and webos as phonish things
Jun 04 02:45:27 <torchie-nook> Shoot
Jun 04 02:45:29 <cwayne1> and therfore, dudes
Jun 04 02:45:36 <torchie-nook> Moons have good taste
Jun 04 02:45:46 <torchie-nook> Moons.
Jun 04 02:45:56 <Tommy> moons? are they made of cheese?
Jun 04 02:46:07 <Tommy> holy shit, best idea ever, Cheese Moons to make kids eat cheese
Jun 04 02:46:08 <summatusmentis> torchie-nook: d'you do any other mobile linux stuff? maemo? OpenEmbedded?
Jun 04 02:46:17 <Tommy> like the laughing cow things, but in moon shape, with the man on the moon and everything
Jun 04 02:46:43 <torchie-nook> Summatusmentis: some android, nookcolor, ubuntu
Jun 04 02:46:56 <ozetadev> Tommy: where the hell did that idea come from...
Jun 04 02:46:58 <summatusmentis> grah, no idea
Jun 04 02:47:05 <Tommy> ozetadev: i'm high, and he said moons have good taste
Jun 04 02:47:06 <cwayne1> woooo ubuntu
Jun 04 02:47:13 <Tommy> so i thought of cheese moons. it's a win idea, isn't it?
Jun 04 02:47:15 <ozetadev> Tommy: didn't see that one coming, lmfao.
Jun 04 02:47:22 <Tommy> i could call my cheese company Man On The Moon
Jun 04 02:47:34 <torchie-nook> The legend
Jun 04 02:47:40 <torchie-nook> Of mr. Eager
Jun 04 02:47:43 <edude03> Tommy: Good thing I'm getting my Venue Pro in person then eh :P
Jun 04 02:47:43 <torchie-nook> Eager.
Jun 04 02:47:53 <torchie-nook> That's it im turning off autocorrect
Jun 04 02:48:02 <Tommy> edude03: haha well, you know i'm jus joshin, if you need anything from the states lemme know
Jun 04 02:48:04 <edude03> Oh I saw a guy using a Droid X in canada on the bus the other day
Jun 04 02:48:11 <edude03> I was like ...... the... fuuuuu?
Jun 04 02:48:23 <Tommy> lol, priciest PMP ever
Jun 04 02:48:31 <edude03> Ohno
Jun 04 02:48:37 <edude03> It was activated and everything
Jun 04 02:48:38 <Tommy> cdma, duder
Jun 04 02:48:46 <edude03> He was probably a tourist
Jun 04 02:48:49 <Tommy> even telus doesnt use CDMA anymore
Jun 04 02:48:53 <Tommy> oh right, paying for roaming
Jun 04 02:48:55 <edude03> So we teh cdmas in canada you know
Jun 04 02:49:00 <halfhalo> canadia has cdma
Jun 04 02:49:05 <Tommy> halfhalo: what company
Jun 04 02:49:12 <Tommy> telus used to be cdma, they converted
Jun 04 02:49:14 <cwayne1> shit, Tommy are you canadianese?
Jun 04 02:49:14 <edude03> Bell and telus
Jun 04 02:49:15 <edude03> No
Jun 04 02:49:24 <Tommy> cwayne1: no, edude03 is
Jun 04 02:49:30 <torchie-nook> man the dell venue pro is hott
Jun 04 02:49:35 <cwayne1> lol america's hat
Jun 04 02:49:40 <edude03> Bell and telus share a GSM 3G network
Jun 04 02:49:45 <halfhalo> hell if i know, i'm in a non crappy country
Jun 04 02:49:52 <edude03> But still have legacy CDMA
Jun 04 02:49:53 <Tommy> cwayne1: he trusted me enough to send me $125 to buy a phone off of craigslist and send it to him, when i hadn't met him before this happened
Jun 04 02:49:59 <Tommy> cwayne1: typical, dumb canadian.
Jun 04 02:50:01 <edude03> I know, I have a LG decoy on telus
Jun 04 02:50:06 <cwayne1> Tommy: HEY WHATS THIS ALL ABOOT
Jun 04 02:50:31 <Tommy> edude03: that's super lame, when are they gonna go all GSM
Jun 04 02:50:44 <Tommy> oh wow, droid X2 commercial on TV
Jun 04 02:51:21 <edude03> Next 10 years I guess
Jun 04 02:51:26 <mynamesconnor> PIHLUP.
Jun 04 02:51:33 <Tommy> the whole world needs to be on GSM/LTE
Jun 04 02:51:45 <mynamesconnor> i disagree, i prefer iDEN.
Jun 04 02:51:49 <mynamesconnor> :P
Jun 04 02:51:51 <Tommy> you would
Jun 04 02:51:58 <mynamesconnor> kidding.
Jun 04 02:52:00 <Tommy> all because your name is connor
Jun 04 02:52:07 <mynamesconnor> much better than tommy.
Jun 04 02:52:13 <Tommy> bullshit in a handbasket
Jun 04 02:52:34 <mynamesconnor> whenever i think of tommy i think of a ginger with aids.
Jun 04 02:52:50 <cwayne1> hiv or full blown aids?
Jun 04 02:52:50 <Tommy> pretty accurate, i have black hair and i'm HIV negative
Jun 04 02:52:53 <edude03> iDen is an awesome idea
Jun 04 02:53:03 <edude03> I've never used it so I don't know how well it performs though
Jun 04 02:53:04 <ozetadev> CONNUh
Jun 04 02:53:24 <edude03> But the fact that it can communicate short range or do cell handoff makes me wanna fap
Jun 04 02:53:29 <mynamesconnor> ._.
Jun 04 02:53:46 <Tommy> i fap all day
Jun 04 02:53:49 <Tommy> erry day.
Jun 04 02:53:53 <ozetadev>  shocker
Jun 04 02:53:59 <Tommy> i fapped on your pre's keyboard, that's why the keys are so clicky and sticky
Jun 04 02:54:05 <ozetadev> i cant wait till someone is lookin over the logs to learn something, and sees your IMS :P
Jun 04 02:54:09 <mynamesconnor> jokes on you, i have an iphone.
Jun 04 02:54:17 <ozetadev> SAME?!
Jun 04 02:54:19 <Tommy> mynamesconnor: i was talking about edude03
Jun 04 02:54:25 <mynamesconnor> oh, nvm then.
Jun 04 02:54:38 <edude03> Ew iPhone
Jun 04 02:54:38 <mynamesconnor> OHHEYLISA.
Jun 04 02:54:39 <Tommy> and yeah, ozetadev, i keep forgetting what channel i'm in
Jun 04 02:54:43 <mynamesconnor> iPhone<3
Jun 04 02:54:44 <ozetadev> mynamesconnor: hey you got to brag about your phone, so mission accomplished
Jun 04 02:54:46 <Tommy> back to #android-offtopic for fap discussions
Jun 04 02:54:58 <edude03> Between OS2 and OS4 I see no difference
Jun 04 02:55:06 <edude03> Other than "multitasking" and game center
Jun 04 02:55:10 <ozetadev> what?!
Jun 04 02:55:11 <Tommy> between iphone and iphone 4 i see no difference
Jun 04 02:55:12 <ozetadev> its so different
Jun 04 02:55:16 <mynamesconnor> I love my iPhone 4.
Jun 04 02:55:20 <ozetadev> you have to own both to really see it...
Jun 04 02:55:21 <edude03> And you don't know multitasking unless you rock WebOS
Jun 04 02:55:29 <edude03> It's multitasking is the TITS
Jun 04 02:55:30 <edude03> Or HENCH
Jun 04 02:55:32 <Tommy> lol
Jun 04 02:55:34 <mynamesconnor> <-- launch day pre minus owner.
Jun 04 02:55:36 <edude03> Or whatever you brits say
Jun 04 02:55:39 <ozetadev> Multitasking in webOS is like having multiple tabs in a browser, for the most part
Jun 04 02:55:41 <Tommy> mynamesconnor: i'm sorry to hear that
Jun 04 02:55:43 <mynamesconnor> <-- developer of 3 apps for webOS.
Jun 04 02:56:00 <edude03> Hey mynamesconnor then I should be bugging you about this plugin I want to write
Jun 04 02:56:06 <Tommy> fart app, helicopter sounds and hot sex girls photo?
Jun 04 02:56:13 <mynamesconnor> plugin?
Jun 04 02:56:14 <Tommy> oh wait, that's android market
Jun 04 02:56:15 <ozetadev> Damn, stealing all my ideas
Jun 04 02:56:26 <mynamesconnor> no, voogle tumbly and opregle.
Jun 04 02:56:30 <mynamesconnor> chances are you've heard of voogle.
Jun 04 02:56:30 <mynamesconnor> :P
Jun 04 02:56:42 <summatusmentis> any chance you're doing promo codes for voogle?
Jun 04 02:56:43 <Tommy> nope
Jun 04 02:56:51 * Tommy is an android user, no webOS device
Jun 04 02:56:57 <edude03> mynamesconnor: Yeah, I want to make a small app to lock the pre wen it closes
Jun 04 02:56:58 <mynamesconnor> oh ok, it was only in the think beyond presentation.
Jun 04 02:57:03 <edude03> I just heard of voogle today
Jun 04 02:57:04 <Tommy> i owned a webOS device for around 28 hours, bought it and resold it for somebody
Jun 04 02:57:07 <mynamesconnor> and i'm not sure yet. i might.
Jun 04 02:57:16 <edude03> But today was the first day, I used WobOS so
Jun 04 02:57:18 <summatusmentis> well, if you do, I'd be very interested :)
Jun 04 02:57:38 <mynamesconnor> edude03, you need to make a patch to do that. and to be honest, i'm not sure how to make patches. P
Jun 04 02:57:40 <mynamesconnor> :P*
Jun 04 02:57:49 <edude03> mynamesconnor: I know
Jun 04 02:57:56 <ozetadev> connor actually hired an indian to make his apps
Jun 04 02:57:58 <ozetadev> dont listen to him.
Jun 04 02:58:00 <edude03> There are patches to end calls when you close the phone
Jun 04 02:58:01 <Tommy> lolllll
Jun 04 02:58:05 <edude03> So I'm going to start with that
Jun 04 02:58:11 <DocLee> Jesus Christ.
Jun 04 02:58:12 <mynamesconnor> LMAO yeah right philip
Jun 04 02:58:13 <Tommy> anyone wanna make a ton of money? i have a win idea.
Jun 04 02:58:17 <Tommy> but you need to be good at coding :S
Jun 04 02:58:19 <mynamesconnor> thats what your friend john does.
Jun 04 02:58:21 <Tommy> really good. in java.
Jun 04 02:58:26 <ozetadev> If you already fall under that category, do you still qualify?
Jun 04 02:58:29 <mynamesconnor> Java is for hoes.
Jun 04 02:58:35 * edude03 is listening still
Jun 04 02:58:41 <Tommy> mynamesconnor: it's an android app concept, so if you don't know java you can't halp
Jun 04 02:58:42 <halfhalo> javascript, however, is awesome
Jun 04 02:58:53 <DocLee> Enyo, however, is horrible.
Jun 04 02:58:54 <edude03> Javascript is for hoe
Jun 04 02:58:55 * halfhalo can make android apps in php
Jun 04 02:58:55 <ozetadev> WHAT
Jun 04 02:58:55 <edude03> s
Jun 04 02:58:55 <mynamesconnor> oh I know Java, I just dont like it.
Jun 04 02:58:56 <ozetadev> I LOVE
Jun 04 02:58:59 <mynamesconnor> Enyo is great.
Jun 04 02:59:00 <ozetadev> NO.
Jun 04 02:59:01 <ozetadev> STOP.
Jun 04 02:59:01 <ozetadev> ENYO.
Jun 04 02:59:03 <DocLee> Terrible.
Jun 04 02:59:03 <ozetadev> ITS GREAT.
Jun 04 02:59:06 <edude03> Unless you're running node.js
Jun 04 02:59:13 <DocLee> Absolutely, 100%, garbage.
Jun 04 02:59:15 <mynamesconnor> I went from hating Enyo to loving it in like 2 days.
Jun 04 02:59:18 <edude03> What is this Enyo.js that I kepep hearying about
Jun 04 02:59:19 <mynamesconnor> you're garbage.
Jun 04 02:59:20 <Tommy> very basic concept, difficult implementation i'd guess... making a multitasking interface for android like webOS, hold the home button and instead of recent apps you get currently running apps in tab format
Jun 04 02:59:46 <edude03> Tommy: oh soft
Jun 04 02:59:47 <Tommy> that would sell like hotcakes, $5 apiece, even $10 apiece, you'd make a few hundred grand minimum if it looked really pro
Jun 04 02:59:54 <DocLee> Tommy, there's a homescreen replacement like that already.
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