**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 07 02:59:57 2011 Jun 07 04:13:23 18:36 < NuttyBunny> the bastards... I just got a $5 coupon :@ Jun 07 04:13:26 I didn't even get that :( Jun 07 04:13:38 I want my coupon Jun 07 04:38:53 sugardave: there's /window move in rissi if you just want to move things around Jun 07 04:39:27 dont lie Jun 07 04:40:07 dwc-: ah, okay...I should spend some time with the irrsi docs one day :D Jun 07 04:45:37 there's also x-chat for windows Jun 07 04:46:11 getamac Jun 07 04:47:14 that way you can have irssi for mac, and xchat for mac? :P Jun 07 04:47:21 hahaha Jun 07 04:52:46 http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevincollins/5806184119/ Jun 07 04:52:47 fancy car Jun 07 04:53:10 tup Jun 07 04:53:14 yup Jun 07 04:57:39 lol, that is sweet Jun 07 04:59:56 found an imitation benz yesterday Jun 07 05:14:51 HP is shutting down the app RSS feeds in less than 24 hours Jun 07 05:21:36 Where did you hear that, LoneStar99? Jun 07 05:27:01 was told by HP via phone call earlier this afternoon Jun 07 05:27:27 eventually they will release a better system or API rather Jun 07 05:27:58 They are shutting down for good? Jun 07 05:28:00 And why? Jun 07 05:29:11 yeap, cuss it will break eventually they way it is structured Jun 07 05:29:53 Weird Jun 07 05:30:02 Hopefully they replace it soon Jun 07 05:30:09 This affects a lot of stuff O.O Jun 07 05:30:47 yeah it affects one of my apps, precentral, webosroundup, myappbox and others Jun 07 05:31:19 and preware Jun 07 05:31:42 yeah preware forsure Jun 07 05:32:00 beta apps won't be accessible through Preware anymore... Jun 07 05:32:05 The dev will have to actually link to it Jun 07 05:33:25 there is a simple fix for the feed, which HP could develop in less than 24 hours, I will email them... Jun 07 05:34:28 it simply deals with "pagination, pre-indexed search content, and simple api structure for the rss feed" Jun 07 05:40:06 why not wait until it IS broken Jun 07 05:40:39 I mean, it probably won't actually break until the coming months, right? Jun 07 05:42:54 well, i think it is on the verge of breaking, and with the incoming ipad launch it would be very likely with all the new app submissions Jun 07 05:45:52 I actually don't care if they break the main catalog feed Jun 07 05:45:56 but that's probably the one they do care about Jun 07 05:46:13 yeah Jun 07 05:46:49 I'm more interested in the beta feed Jun 07 05:49:12 i am interested in all the feeds =( was gonna begin migrating my app catalog app to enyo today, but quickly dropped that idea after the phone call Jun 07 05:50:37 I did nto know there were other app catalog apps Jun 07 05:52:06 yeah --> this is the one I developed http://urloid.com/palm17 Jun 07 05:54:14 bummer Jun 07 05:55:31 yeaper Jun 07 05:57:28 could be worse ... you could have been making some iphone app for geolocation reminders or something Jun 07 05:57:54 or whatever it was they're putting in Jun 07 06:01:08 lol yeah Jun 07 06:29:20 LoneStar99: ORLY?!!! Jun 07 07:22:08 ? Jun 07 07:24:32 howdy hotdp\ Jun 07 07:29:53 hey LoneStar99, whats up` Jun 07 07:31:02 here working on some app, that is eating up memory like no other app alive Jun 07 07:34:30 lokl Jun 07 07:35:47 it is even killing my browsers during testing... Jun 07 07:49:24 alright chat laters time for some ZZZs Jun 07 07:49:31 night LoneStar99 Jun 07 07:49:41 laters hotdp Jun 07 08:33:17 anyone here that can anser a question about the palm pre plus? Jun 07 08:33:25 answer Jun 07 09:46:08 I'm up waaaay too late Jun 07 09:47:02 but, I have been having a great time in Sunnyvale hanging with my team and meeting DevRel people (hi chuq!) Jun 07 09:48:25 I only saw Adora in one meeting, though, and I don't think she recognized me. That's okay, I probably wouldn't remember who SUGARDAVE was, anyway :P Jun 07 09:56:52 hehe Jun 07 09:57:00 sugardave: nice you had a good trip! Jun 07 15:16:38 meh Jun 07 15:16:56 the app icon disappeared once I've added a service to it Jun 07 15:26:46 * haeffb_pre working on ideas for new company name Jun 07 15:27:54 oh Jun 07 15:28:00 it appears to be a problem with the emulator Jun 07 15:28:02 time for a reboot Jun 07 15:28:16 Company name - "404 Not Found" Jun 07 15:28:35 LLC Jun 07 15:31:08 nice. saves on domain name registration Jun 07 15:33:48 sugardav1: turns out I was test holding the wrong button Jun 07 15:34:09 doh! Jun 07 15:34:49 how does "retirement fund apps" sound? too self-serving? Jun 07 15:35:00 morning folks Jun 07 15:35:21 haeffb_pre: a bit Jun 07 15:35:32 LoneStar99, morning Jun 07 15:35:42 "make me rich apps"? Jun 07 15:35:54 Apps That Suck Less Jun 07 15:36:17 false advertising, wouldn't work Jun 07 15:36:22 heh Jun 07 15:36:33 I Spent Three Hours On This App, Please Buy It LLC Jun 07 15:36:49 "show me the money apps!" Jun 07 15:36:54 ooh, like that! Jun 07 15:37:14 * halfhalo is once again stuck at Toyota dealership waiting for shuttle Jun 07 15:37:40 "what do you mean, broken? apps" Jun 07 15:39:17 "thats a feature" apps Jun 07 15:45:35 http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0tyxt8tF1qctkcl.jpg Jun 07 15:47:30 dawm: damn Jun 07 15:54:56 Heh... Someone with a pre here Jun 07 15:55:01 yeah Jun 07 15:55:04 pre here Jun 07 15:55:32 i have 3 pre's Jun 07 15:55:34 want to buy one? Jun 07 15:55:45 att pre plus is open but unused Jun 07 15:55:49 Bah, pre Jun 07 15:55:57 anyone have a post? Jun 07 15:55:59 :p Jun 07 15:56:05 Mebe.... Jun 07 15:58:15 Og pre as well, with shiny back Jun 07 16:09:35 anyone ever use prototype on a "web site" Jun 07 16:11:16 it seems to me making frequent ajax requests using Ajax.PeriodicalUpdater() kills browser memory... Jun 07 16:12:15 and kills the browser all together only after a few minutes... Jun 07 16:18:27 i haven ever used that one Jun 07 16:19:51 yeah, asking the prototype folks why it is killing my browser Jun 07 16:30:58 chuqui: Ping? Jun 07 16:31:22 AtomicPlayboy: point Jun 07 16:31:25 point. Jun 07 16:31:33 god. I can't ype this morning. Poing. Jun 07 16:31:50 I usually go with "splort" or something odd. Jun 07 17:03:30 Pong. Jun 07 17:07:26 have the following code and want to convert it http://pastebin.com/mLNbQpRx Jun 07 17:07:58 instead of dragging a div i want to leave a point where the drag occurs... Jun 07 17:13:43 haeffb_pre: yeah, holding the wrong button won't work :P Jun 07 17:14:39 not in most cases Jun 07 17:16:50 haeffb_pre: how about "Jalopy Apps" or "No Refunds, LLC" Jun 07 17:17:30 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/07/the-wiiu-nintendos-next-console/ Jun 07 17:17:33 stupid name.. Jun 07 17:18:21 sugardave how could I convert the following from dragging a div to adding a point to where drag occurs? http://pastebin.com/mLNbQpRx Jun 07 17:19:07 dawm: it's like Wii School or something Jun 07 17:19:10 I like the sound of "No Refunds, LLC." Jun 07 17:19:14 no Jun 07 17:19:17 WiiU is the new wii Jun 07 17:19:22 like i said stupid name Jun 07 17:19:29 We, You Jun 07 17:19:30 I know, it is a dumb name Jun 07 17:19:35 OHHHH Jun 07 17:19:38 punny Jun 07 17:19:46 yeah Jun 07 17:20:07 the you part is cause of the screen being on the controller so you dont even have to use the tv Jun 07 17:20:15 LoneStar99: not sure I understand what you mean? Jun 07 17:20:48 that's kind of cool...I remember when my friend had a DreamCast and those little LCDs on the controllers...was awesome for Madden Jun 07 17:22:25 ok pastebin code works great for dragging a div around the screen, what i want to do is instead of dragging div id="canvas" I want it to listen when a drag occurs on id="canvas" and plot a point where the drag occurs, kinda like a drawing program Jun 07 17:24:17 then you'll need a canvas Jun 07 17:24:31 BBL. Jun 07 17:24:32 get the screen coordinates from the drag event Jun 07 17:24:39 then draw on the canvas Jun 07 17:25:28 you can probably take a look at one of the many painting/drawing apps to get an idea for how to do it Jun 07 17:26:04 OMG Ico for PS3? Jun 07 17:26:06 sugardave: can't use canvas, cuss it causes a memory leak in what I am trying to do, need a homegrown solution Jun 07 17:26:21 and I never played Shadow of the Colossus, but I saw a video once....very cool game Jun 07 17:26:31 LoneStar99: good luck, then Jun 07 17:26:36 lol Jun 07 17:27:01 you can't just draw an arbitrary thing without...unless somebody else knows something Jun 07 17:27:07 sugardave: if you're in the office, go kick someone for me Jun 07 17:27:15 haeffb_pre: I'm not Jun 07 17:27:29 unfortunate, too...I like kicking people Jun 07 17:27:36 wtf, there is a Teen Wolf TV show now? Jun 07 17:27:56 who cares? Ico is coming to PS3 Jun 07 17:28:34 sugardave: so with the code I posted it would not be possible to convert to something like a canvas "painter"? Jun 07 17:29:28 LoneStar99: well, "convert" isn't the word I'd use...more like re-architect. And without a canvas, I say impossible Jun 07 17:30:39 sugardave: ok let me do some research, gonna try some hybrid codeage Jun 07 17:30:56 drat. sitting here with no response. Jun 07 17:31:11 of course, its early there Jun 07 17:32:21 haeffb_pre: oh, I may have told them something like "Don't help that haeffb guy. He's my mortal enemy." Jun 07 17:32:27 but I can't remember for sure Jun 07 17:32:46 foe! Jun 07 17:32:55 foe foe foe Jun 07 17:34:44 of course....leaving today and the sun is shining, temperature is beautiful....it freaking rained and was cold the entire time I was here Jun 07 17:35:48 sugardave: welcome to california Jun 07 17:36:04 see, my allies are more powerful than yours. Jun 07 17:36:17 all week is it sunny and in the weekend it rains and is overcast, that is even true for san diego Jun 07 17:37:07 hahaha: http://twitter.com/#!/brianleroux/status/78123380930396160 Jun 07 17:37:42 position:fixed ... wtf Jun 07 17:38:13 we need fancier tags, like position:rotating Jun 07 17:38:29 position: immutable Jun 07 17:38:38 position: random Jun 07 17:38:50 position:awesome Jun 07 17:38:52 entropy: 50% Jun 07 17:39:23 position:confused Jun 07 17:40:52 novacom error: err -99 "Command: put file:///media/internal/.developer/in.bobc.cc_1.0.0_all.ipk Reply:file open failed" first time with error... anyone what how to fix that? Jun 07 17:41:20 restarted eclipse and emulator and still get "err -99" Jun 07 17:41:51 so which app is going to have a readable example of using Google Analyics? its not gonna be the Facebook one ... Jun 07 17:42:15 my bad had the device connected to computer Jun 07 17:51:35 adora, you review wirc yet? Jun 07 17:51:48 :) Jun 07 17:52:22 kill -SIGFIRE --lots Jun 07 17:52:55 And the winner is "App Catalog" Jun 07 17:53:08 ryanwatkins: wat Jun 07 17:53:27 an application with code for google analytics thats readable. Jun 07 17:53:42 lol Jun 07 17:53:46 For various definitions of "readable" I guess. Jun 07 17:53:46 yeah Jun 07 17:53:47 Is that an "oops?" Jun 07 17:53:56 ryanwatkins: oh shit i want that for me Jun 07 17:54:35 novaterm, tar, copy. Jun 07 17:55:15 Learn somethin' new every day Jun 07 17:55:26 wait whaat Jun 07 17:55:29 I'ma get me sum ejamacation Jun 07 17:55:55 * sugardave writes "HAHA N00B!" on a piece of paper and puts it in the TouchPad box that will be in his checked bag. Jun 07 17:56:10 the EMPTY TouchPad box, that is Jun 07 17:56:15 How did you get a TouchPad box? Jun 07 17:56:31 AtomicPlayboy: it's what my TouchPad came in Jun 07 17:56:37 Oh Jun 07 17:56:42 So you actually have a TouchPad Jun 07 17:56:55 Where do I sign up? Jun 07 17:56:55 indeed I do...it's necessary for my job :D Jun 07 17:57:02 sugardave: i hate your face. Jun 07 17:57:02 get hired ;) Jun 07 17:57:07 Hah. Jun 07 17:57:09 or wait a week. Jun 07 17:57:13 see my above "kill" statement Jun 07 17:57:22 oil_pre: no, I rejectz0red it Jun 07 17:57:30 dundunDUN Jun 07 17:57:37 lololol Jun 07 17:57:39 :( Jun 07 17:57:48 pwn3d Jun 07 17:57:49 oil_pre: I blame Adora Jun 07 17:58:08 didn't get rejection email Jun 07 17:58:15 I told you! Jun 07 17:58:19 DOS line endings! Jun 07 17:58:24 cannot haz Jun 07 17:58:26 ooo Jun 07 17:58:31 we haven't even gotten to the reviewing of the actual app yet Jun 07 17:58:44 Oh Jun 07 17:58:46 dos2unix Jun 07 17:58:52 DOS line endings make the app all sticky, hard to push through the system Jun 07 17:59:11 make the system better! Jun 07 17:59:21 make your line endings better =] Jun 07 17:59:22 vi/vim will handle line end conversion nicely. Jun 07 17:59:30 * halfhalo thinks buying oil a mac would make this whole thing alot faster/easier Jun 07 17:59:31 Or you can make your life really hard and use emacs. Jun 07 17:59:44 find . -name "*" | xargs dos2unix Jun 07 17:59:46 emacs rox! Jun 07 17:59:47 awesome Jun 07 18:00:02 feel free to buy me a mac lol Jun 07 18:00:10 emacs. free. Jun 07 18:00:14 Alt-M-Ctrl-Space-Butterfly Jun 07 18:00:48 Oh, sorry Jun 07 18:00:55 C-x M-c M-butterfly Jun 07 18:01:01 then itl be 0.4.2 with no changes Jun 07 18:01:16 palm making my version umbers mean nothing Jun 07 18:02:00 * Adora wobbles oil_pre Jun 07 18:02:12 Version 2.0: now with more comments! Jun 07 18:02:12 Adora, so whe will it actually be rejected? I'll be able to resubmit this evening Jun 07 18:02:27 or whenever jury duty is over today :/ Jun 07 18:02:36 * oil_pre is in jury room right now Jun 07 18:02:45 already rejected, submit at any time Jun 07 18:03:19 oh Jun 07 18:03:32 * oil_pre checks portal Jun 07 18:03:35 I am ON THIS, man! Jun 07 18:03:46 ...that's what she said. Jun 07 18:03:51 hahahahaha Jun 07 18:03:55 * AtomicPlayboy prepares to be kicked. Jun 07 18:04:14 next question, why can't the devportal remember me? Jun 07 18:04:49 lol Jun 07 18:05:17 thats so annoying Jun 07 18:06:08 I prefer entering passwords by hand for some things. Jun 07 18:06:19 Not that I have any IP in devportal yet. Jun 07 18:06:32 websites aren't one of them heh Jun 07 18:07:56 I'm going to have to bitch at ThinkGeek...this bag of holding is FULL! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Jun 07 18:08:08 To many unicorns? Jun 07 18:08:36 * oil_pre notices how adora got silent when he asked about devportal cookies haha Jun 07 18:08:45 not my problem Jun 07 18:08:47 =] Jun 07 18:09:01 but you're our contact for palm Jun 07 18:09:02 What's this about Unicron? Jun 07 18:09:06 it remembers me....for a few hours Jun 07 18:09:21 it has Alzheimer's Jun 07 18:09:23 don't you know who to smack on the back of the head to get this worked out? Jun 07 18:09:29 only if you do something every 30 min. Jun 07 18:09:29 lol Jun 07 18:09:31 Unicron has Alzheimers? Jun 07 18:09:36 only because you're so memorable Jun 07 18:10:02 OK NO MORE QUESTIONS Jun 07 18:10:08 awwww Jun 07 18:10:08 lol Jun 07 18:10:22 Adora, why not? :P Jun 07 18:10:23 I am going to take a shower and shave for the first time in two months, because as of tonight I will no longer live alone Jun 07 18:10:35 LATER BITCHES Jun 07 18:10:36 yes/ Jun 07 18:10:38 woohoo, congratulations Jun 07 18:10:39 forever alone Jun 07 18:10:40 tmi Jun 07 18:10:41 lol Jun 07 18:10:43 bow chicka bow bowwwwwwwwwwww Jun 07 18:10:49 haha Jun 07 18:10:57 AdoraTMI, you are moving back home to your parents? Jun 07 18:11:03 I'm sorry to hear that AdoraTMI Jun 07 18:11:05 * haeffb_pre wants one of them thar TouchPad thingies like sugardave got Jun 07 18:11:06 Best of luck to you. Jun 07 18:11:22 but now precentral is gonna suck, all because of AdoraTMI Jun 07 18:11:24 haeffb_pre: I'm pretty sure everyone in this room and the next want a TouchPad like sugardave. Jun 07 18:11:34 oil_pre: it sucked before Jun 07 18:11:46 FORUM IDIOTS ABOUND! Jun 07 18:11:50 Why is precentral gonna suck? Jun 07 18:11:52 yeah, but I want HARDER than you guys Jun 07 18:11:59 every forum is like that Jun 07 18:12:01 hahaha Jun 07 18:12:03 haha Jun 07 18:12:04 Whoa wait what? Jun 07 18:12:10 "that's what she said" Jun 07 18:12:20 * AtomicPlayboy headdesks Jun 07 18:12:29 Alright, I'm going back to...work... Jun 07 18:12:47 * oil_pre resubmits wirc all on one line Jun 07 18:12:54 NO LINE ENDINGS! Jun 07 18:12:57 lol Jun 07 18:13:13 then itl probably puke because of no line endings Jun 07 18:13:17 haeffb_pre: was told there are some touchpad in lock and key at HP to give away to some devs... Jun 07 18:13:22 thing is so tempermental Jun 07 18:13:24 except at the...uh...end Jun 07 18:13:32 no! Jun 07 18:13:36 none! Jun 07 18:13:54 who's kev? Jun 07 18:14:16 and why's he sitting on my TouchPad? Jun 07 18:14:24 damn kev Jun 07 18:14:42 oil_pre: all on one line = catchphrase! Jun 07 18:14:48 OK REALLY AFK NOW Jun 07 18:14:59 lol Jun 07 18:15:27 I'm gonna add that as a tagline in 0.4.2 Jun 07 18:16:21 gotta change something or your versioning means *nothing* Jun 07 18:16:34 srsly Jun 07 18:17:04 gonna add some easter eggs that make fun of devportal/submission process Jun 07 18:17:23 and AdoraTMI-YokoOno specifically Jun 07 18:17:42 * haeffb_pre gonna start using random number generator for versions Jun 07 18:17:56 oil_pre: good man. Jun 07 18:18:03 165.1.42694348 Jun 07 18:18:56 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.3 Jun 07 18:19:35 0>x>9999999.0>x>9999999.0>x>99999999 Jun 07 18:19:37 just use version numbers based on the unix time that you finished that version and then times it by 5 Jun 07 18:20:07 just use 13.3.7 Jun 07 18:20:19 I get to be extra douche-y at airport security today: 2 laptops and my precious Jun 07 18:21:08 sugardave: been there, done that (but with an ipad) Jun 07 18:22:02 lol i had 3 laptops and a tablet once Jun 07 18:22:03 mine's better Jun 07 18:22:04 they were confused Jun 07 18:22:14 gonna suck when they take your precious Jun 07 18:22:23 I came here with one laptop, so I'm ahead in this game Jun 07 18:22:30 dawm: you'll see me on the news Jun 07 18:22:53 i had 3 phones, 2 tablets, a laptop, and an adk once Jun 07 18:22:54 "crazy hp employee stabs TSA agent after TSA tried to examine tablet" Jun 07 18:23:06 halfhalo, they would change that Jun 07 18:23:31 it would be disgruntal hp employee steals early prototype and trys to escape TSA agents at airport Jun 07 18:23:44 we almost made it 0.3.14 Jun 07 18:24:04 but decided to bump it up to 0.4.x Jun 07 18:24:04 just use PI for a version Jun 07 18:24:29 get rejected for not having it in x.x.x format Jun 07 18:24:31 and add a digit each revision Jun 07 18:25:20 they only let x.x.x in the catalog Jun 07 18:25:46 preware supports like x.x.x.x-x.x/x or whatever Jun 07 18:27:53 spoilsports Jun 07 18:28:30 looking at you, chuqui and AdoraTMI-YokoOno Jun 07 18:29:04 just rwhitby demanding it support all those Jun 07 18:29:49 "You can be my Yoko Ono!" Jun 07 18:29:52 next it will be alpha numeric versions "alpha.alhpa.beta-gamma" Jun 07 18:30:02 and sugardave. he's involved somehow in this nefarious plot Jun 07 18:30:46 * halfhalo shakes fist Jun 07 18:31:15 "You can call me Betty, and Betty, when you call me..." Jun 07 18:31:43 AL!!!!!! Jun 07 18:32:11 Betty? Jun 07 18:32:14 adora and chuq got seniority though, so it's all sugardaves fault Jun 07 18:32:37 * haeffb_pre blames...wait for it... Jun 07 18:32:42 * sugardave whistles innocently. Jun 07 18:33:14 blame game is no fun Jun 07 18:33:19 yes it is Jun 07 18:33:22 don't lie Jun 07 18:33:26 oil_pre: not for you :D Jun 07 18:33:29 probably because I'm always on the wrong side Jun 07 18:33:37 * halfhalo whistles Jun 07 18:33:45 and it's never my fault Jun 07 18:33:53 and whose fault is that...? Jun 07 18:33:57 look at the whoiswho page Jun 07 18:34:04 doh! preempted! Jun 07 18:34:42 curse you, tiny FrankenPre2 keyboard Jun 07 18:35:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WhoIsWho Jun 07 18:35:41 see! Jun 07 18:36:06 lol Jun 07 18:36:09 and don't you dare edit that wiki page. you jerks! Jun 07 18:36:20 sugardave: what times the flight? Jun 07 18:36:21 I would NEVER do something like that Jun 07 18:36:25 * halfhalo would Jun 07 18:36:34 * haeffb_pre just did Jun 07 18:36:35 haeffb_pre: 3:00 Cali time Jun 07 18:37:08 cool. safe travels. Jun 07 18:37:13 thanks Jun 07 18:37:24 * haeffb_pre goes back to day job Jun 07 18:37:27 2:59 : random snowstorm appears! Jun 07 18:38:35 sugardave: why would line 3-8 cause the other functions not to work http://pastebin.com/7jn00miF Jun 07 18:39:18 3 through 8? Jun 07 18:39:26 because the other lines once kicked sand in lines 3-8's face Jun 07 18:39:41 LoneStar99: you are asking the WRONG guy about canvas...I know how to spell it, that's about it Jun 07 18:39:50 * haeffb_pre 's day job is struggling comedian Jun 07 18:40:25 sugardave: ok, i am sure it is something stupid I am overlooking Jun 07 18:41:13 haeffb_pre: Boo! Get off the stage! Jun 07 18:41:44 * halfhalo throws tomatos Jun 07 18:43:09 hilarious: http://twitter.com/#!/TROndrey/status/78091529553575936 Jun 07 18:45:28 see you guys later Jun 07 18:53:31 LOL @ twitter link Jun 07 18:57:59 yeah Jun 07 18:58:25 it'd be nice if it was completely open...but it's not bad on that front Jun 07 19:02:10 that twitter link is like blind leading the blind.... Jun 07 19:03:51 it's important to remember that the xda people are used to having AOSP Jun 07 19:08:58 their all asshats, nothing more than that Jun 07 19:09:45 well, I mean, but who isn't these days? Jun 07 19:09:59 I'm not. Jun 07 19:10:41 lies Jun 07 19:10:48 i sure am Jun 07 19:11:15 Phone fanboys make no sense to me. Jun 07 19:11:19 Scratch that. Jun 07 19:11:24 Fanboys make no sense to me. Jun 07 19:11:41 i tried developing an android app and could not figure out some stupid directory error, so that was that Jun 07 19:12:03 LoneStar99: its so much more annoying than a webos app Jun 07 19:12:15 I use both Android and webOS. The only thing I refuse to touch is iOS. Jun 07 19:12:27 a prof I'm seriously considering work with wants me to learn android dev Jun 07 19:12:40 If/when I ever actually publish my app to the public, it'll be available on webOS and Android, but not iOS. Jun 07 19:12:42 cwayne: yeah, plus the emulator seemed it was powered by some 286 processor, so freaking slow Jun 07 19:12:43 AtomicPlayboy: I sorta feel the same way, although iOS 5 looks compelling Jun 07 19:12:47 sad slow Jun 07 19:12:55 ok lunch time Jun 07 19:12:58 * halfhalo votes winphone7 as next best thing besides webos Jun 07 19:13:00 summatusmentis: iOS 5 has finally caught up to webOS 1.4 and Android 1.6 Jun 07 19:13:04 AtomicPlayboy: what's your app? Jun 07 19:13:28 It's nothing special, it's a catalog cycler I use for a program at work. Jun 07 19:13:44 AtomicPlayboy: I don't disagree, but it's shiny :) Jun 07 19:13:45 If I can figure out an application for it outside of our own environment, I'll make it public. Jun 07 19:13:53 which android 1.6 most definitely was not Jun 07 19:13:54 webOS is shinier. :P Jun 07 19:14:22 I don't give two shits about shininess, I want usability. Jun 07 19:14:34 Nothing about iOS is compelling to me over what I can do with either Android or webOS. Jun 07 19:15:07 And my app won't run on iPhone because an API that's open on webOS and Android can't be accessed without privileges on iOS. Jun 07 19:15:28 So, **** 'em. Jun 07 19:17:21 don't get me wrong, I'll stick with webos Jun 07 19:17:37 I'd just like to see HP build out some of the nice small features iOS has tht webos doesn't Jun 07 19:19:11 Right now my only beef with webOS is that WiFi authentication and association aren't configurable through the normal WiFi preferences pane. Jun 07 19:19:57 My work uses two-layer authentication, and the auth methods can't be configured by the app, only by restarting wpasupplicant in a terminal--which the GUI doesn't register as being connected. Jun 07 19:26:13 I don't know, threaded email would be nice Jun 07 20:07:06 woot! google analytics integrated in less than 2 hrs. Jun 07 20:07:14 shiny Jun 07 20:07:26 ryanwatkins, why you spying on me Jun 07 20:07:43 you bet Jun 07 20:08:36 * ryanwatkins now needs a Terms and Conditions file apparently. Jun 07 20:09:07 i disagree to your terms Jun 07 20:09:47 I DISAGREE WITH YOUR DECISION TO DISAGREE Jun 07 20:11:05 nah Jun 07 20:16:15 anyone see a problem with the following --> var img = new Image(); img.onload = function(){ ctx.drawImage(img,x,y); } Jun 07 20:16:27 can't figure why I get an error... Jun 07 20:20:44 LoneStar99: What's the error? Jun 07 20:21:40 just get a red line, like syntax.... Jun 07 20:22:07 Have you tried running it? Jun 07 20:22:40 I'm assuming ctx, x and y are already initialised earlier on? Jun 07 20:22:50 yeah forsure Jun 07 20:23:08 and at some point you're actually giving the img an src Jun 07 20:23:53 yeah it is derived from https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Using_images Jun 07 20:24:41 freaking weird Jun 07 20:25:00 what happens when you try run it? Jun 07 20:25:45 "error: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier" Jun 07 20:26:13 error --> img.onload = function(){ Jun 07 20:27:13 hmmm... That would suggest you missed a semi-colon/bracket/brace just before img.onload Jun 07 20:27:45 well, actually, not a brace, that wouldn't cause that, but the others would Jun 07 20:29:30 yeah adding the code to another script, to see what hapens Jun 07 20:30:24 silly semi-colons Jun 07 20:31:09 * Popple3 cracks open photoshop Jun 07 20:31:14 It's icon designing time :D Jun 07 20:31:50 shit I am an idiot --> 04 img.onload = function(){ had the stupid line number in the code thinking it was part of eclipse error-reporting Jun 07 20:32:07 lol Jun 07 20:32:09 lol Jun 07 20:32:13 could happen to anyone Jun 07 20:32:27 lol Jun 07 20:33:02 lol Jun 07 20:34:19 lol Jun 07 20:34:25 * oil didn't want to feel left out Jun 07 20:35:04 lol Jun 07 20:36:23 * halfhalo lols at oil Jun 07 20:36:29 :( Jun 07 20:36:44 it was a friendly lol, not an evil lol Jun 07 20:37:07 lol Jun 07 20:37:46 there is 2 kinds? Jun 07 20:38:41 tibfib is still _uk> Jun 07 20:38:46 long ass trip Jun 07 20:39:01 leaving thursday Jun 07 20:39:06 ah Jun 07 20:39:15 there is now! Jun 07 20:39:15 it's been fun Jun 07 20:39:29 that reminds me, I need to tweet something Jun 07 20:39:30 * halfhalo is still waiting to hear about his car... gah Jun 07 20:39:40 uh oh Jun 07 20:39:54 halfhalo: what happened? I saw your tweet earlier Jun 07 20:40:54 brake's being retarded. Jun 07 20:41:04 ugh, my image making skills cease to fail me Jun 07 20:41:13 * avarus doesn't brake Jun 07 20:41:14 halfhalo: well slap some sense into them! Jun 07 20:41:21 cease to fail you? Jun 07 20:41:34 hmm, I think so Jun 07 20:41:43 not never? Jun 07 20:41:55 so, it stopped failing you? Jun 07 20:42:02 abs is activating when it really has no reason to, and the brakes feel.... wrong Jun 07 20:42:04 oh, there you go Jun 07 20:42:14 brit's leave out the never Jun 07 20:42:16 that's my issue Jun 07 20:42:20 * Tibfib_uk hides Jun 07 20:48:23 stupid code was working before lunch =( Jun 07 20:50:40 LoneStar99: use windows approach, reboot ;) Jun 07 20:52:44 lol Jun 07 20:53:13 another idiotic mistake, had some stupid div commented out... Jun 07 20:53:29 Popple3: make a couple for me while you're in there Jun 07 20:53:57 hehehe.. Jun 07 20:53:58 haeffb_: I'm already finished :P Jun 07 20:54:23 drat. Jun 07 20:55:07 guuuuuuuuhhhh stupid toyota dealership Jun 07 20:55:08 1) Crop texture I made earlier to app icon size. 2) Add black border at 50% opacity 3) Add slight white to transparent gradient overlay 4) Add text 5) ????? 6) PROFIT Jun 07 20:55:59 It actually came out quite nice, which they very rarely do Jun 07 20:56:00 lol Jun 07 20:57:09 lulz... this is funny Jun 07 20:57:20 doing interviews for rails lead dev in my department Jun 07 20:57:31 the three people being interviewed have to rails exp Jun 07 20:58:20 hey guys, I have a quick palm-install question Jun 07 20:58:41 rsanchez1: what is it? Jun 07 20:58:59 you put the package filename after the palm-install part Jun 07 20:59:06 if you have, say, version 1.1 of an app on your phone, and you tried to install version 1.0.1 using palm-install, would it not install the lower version number? Jun 07 20:59:13 correct Jun 07 20:59:21 ok, thanks Jun 07 20:59:24 it just pretends you didn't try to install it Jun 07 20:59:26 you put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up! Jun 07 20:59:47 I noticed it didn't change, but wanted to make sure that was what happened Jun 07 20:59:48 rsanchez1: use "palm-install -r com.domain.whatever" to remove the newer version if you have tp Jun 07 21:00:01 *to Jun 07 21:00:18 I know, just wanted to make sure that's how palm-install works Jun 07 21:00:21 thanks guys Jun 07 21:00:47 now I'm off to get some fish and chips! Jun 07 21:00:51 om nom nom Jun 07 21:03:12 * oil enjoys that Adora's nick is still AdoraTMI-YokoOno Jun 07 21:03:16 hahah Jun 07 21:03:19 * halfhalo lulz Jun 07 21:03:40 so I bet you guys have already talked about iOS 5, eh? Jun 07 21:04:10 * oil doesnt know anything Jun 07 21:04:28 thats because your weird Jun 07 21:04:51 correction: thats because i couldn't care less about ios Jun 07 21:05:00 * halfhalo notes that came from someone with a winphone7 device Jun 07 21:05:41 if I could get an iPhone (5?) with a changeable sim, I probably would Jun 07 21:05:47 but since that's never going to happen.... Jun 07 21:06:15 Dont they sell them without contract? Jun 07 21:06:31 sell what? Jun 07 21:06:33 iPhones? Jun 07 21:06:57 zzzzzzzzzzzzz Jun 07 21:07:09 lol Jun 07 21:08:54 * haeffb has registered domain name for new company website Jun 07 21:09:02 ooh nice Jun 07 21:09:04 what's the name? Jun 07 21:09:09 Balls Deep Jun 07 21:09:22 that one was already registered... Jun 07 21:09:30 probably by dawm Jun 07 21:09:42 wait until it's propagated and then I'll show it. Jun 07 21:10:13 if Tibfib_uk's not in bed by then Jun 07 21:10:24 I mean, I wanna see too Jun 07 21:10:26 hah, it is 10:11 Jun 07 21:10:32 I'll be up for another hour or so Jun 07 21:10:40 I should get myself a website, just-cause Jun 07 21:11:29 everybody should have at least two Jun 07 21:11:44 where else can you post pics of your Weiner Jun 07 21:11:45 RagingMind: everyone is doing it Jun 07 21:11:50 s/Weiner/congressman Jun 07 21:12:46 lol, I bet he had a webcam set up at home too Jun 07 21:13:45 the twitter thing was horrible judgment on his part, but in general I like the guy Jun 07 21:15:36 APIs for "private non-commercial use only" suck Jun 07 21:15:42 GIMP pisses me off. Jun 07 21:32:07 GIMP pleases me Jun 07 21:33:33 haha Jun 07 21:33:38 tools are like that sometimes Jun 07 21:42:18 Can someone tell me if they see the new version of Preware I just released? Jun 07 21:44:59 in Preware? Jun 07 21:45:07 shows 1.6.3 available Jun 07 21:45:15 I have 1.6.2 Jun 07 21:45:59 same Jun 07 21:46:03 haeffb: can you check that it updates ok please? Jun 07 21:46:32 i dont have a balldeep domain Jun 07 21:46:38 er balls deep Jun 07 21:46:50 well...that's one hell of a changelog Jun 07 21:46:59 downloading Jun 07 21:47:12 Loudergood: thank you for testing Jun 07 21:47:24 no problem Jun 07 21:47:42 same Jun 07 21:48:02 * haeffb assumes no one will read it and still complain to rwhitby Jun 07 21:48:10 * halfhalo does as well Jun 07 21:48:34 haeffb: indeed. Check the List of Everything Jun 07 21:50:12 and will also ignore an app named "app catalog announcement" Jun 07 21:50:28 what happens if I install? Jun 07 21:50:41 you lose Jun 07 21:50:47 again? Jun 07 21:50:53 yup Jun 07 21:51:06 dawm: :) Jun 07 21:51:22 i just like how the name rolls off the tongue Jun 07 21:51:28 balllllls deeeeeeeep Jun 07 21:53:26 hmm..I can't seem to install this App catalog announcement app ;) Jun 07 21:54:10 fedex needs gps tracking for their trucks.. im sick of waiting for this damn package Jun 07 21:54:23 yup Jun 07 21:55:09 rwhitby, is updating to preware 1.6.3 supposed to remove the palm-* feeds? or just not show up on new installs? Jun 07 21:55:21 better than waiting for a package to be shipped Jun 07 21:55:27 :( Jun 07 21:56:20 whaaa Jun 07 21:56:24 why did palm close access to the feeds? Jun 07 21:59:03 Tibfib_uk: Everybody On! Jun 08 01:15:45 So, the catalog feeds thing will mean that appscoop will stop working as well? :S Jun 08 01:16:10 yes Jun 08 01:16:14 anything that uses the feeds Jun 08 01:21:36 * halfhalo shakes fist at AdoraTMI-YokoOno Jun 08 01:23:41 looks like Richard Kerris is trying to calm everyone down on twitter Jun 08 01:24:42 lol Jun 08 01:24:59 good luck... Jun 08 01:25:06 torches and pitchforks :( Jun 08 01:26:51 always a pain to make changes to your system when you have non-internal dependencies Jun 08 01:27:22 * halfhalo ran out of pitchforks Jun 08 01:29:27 ryanwatkins: I agree, but working with them to ensure a smooth transition would be nicer Jun 08 01:30:42 i expect there is "nicer" and "oh my god rush to the deadline for 3.0!" Jun 08 01:36:57 * NuttyBunny gives halfhalo the keys to the pitchfork truck Jun 08 01:37:33 Confucius says you can never have to many micro-usb cables. I agree. Jun 08 01:38:46 I miss my nokia micro micro usb cable (about 4 inches long), perfect for usb tether+charging (no dev mode of course) // cc PuffTheMagic ;) Jun 08 01:39:58 nice..I have a couple nook charging cables around that I use Jun 08 01:40:07 they're about 18" Jun 08 01:40:19 the palm one is crazy long Jun 08 01:40:32 I bought a 3ft retractable one for $2 from dealextreme ;) Jun 08 01:40:55 I use the palm car cables for my computers, and the ones that come with the ac adapters with the ac adapters Jun 08 01:42:19 also have solar chargers if needed Jun 08 01:42:38 Loudergood, the Nook cables are very nice. Jun 08 01:42:42 2 layers Jun 08 01:45:10 * halfhalo stares impatiently at his AAA battery charger, he wants to get his batteries and stick them in the kindle light and pack that up already Jun 08 01:46:11 2 layers? Jun 08 01:46:19 12 pins Jun 08 01:46:31 look @ it sometime. Jun 08 01:46:35 ah I see Jun 08 01:46:42 I didn't know there was a difference there Jun 08 01:46:48 and I mean e-ink nook Jun 08 01:46:56 * Loudergood doesn't know much about usb cables Jun 08 01:47:03 * halfhalo debates the lockpicks Jun 08 01:47:05 oh, sorry...I thought you meant the NookColor Jun 08 01:47:10 bringem' Jun 08 01:47:17 you never know Jun 08 01:47:34 I really think it would be awesome Jun 08 01:47:44 they can go in camera bag i guess Jun 08 01:48:41 whoa... It felt like a Luna restart, only that it was a X-windows restart... first one in ages Jun 08 01:48:56 * halfhalo hates having three bags, but the camera is just to freaking unwieldy Jun 08 01:52:59 I mean I think it would be awesome if I could get a solar panel back for my nook Jun 08 01:56:04 halfhalo: E3? Jun 08 02:00:49 dohtem: not this year. tp dev event. Jun 08 02:01:06 def bring the picks then Jun 08 02:08:35 ooh, lets see the pics halfhalo Jun 08 02:09:45 pics? http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/multimedia/e27depart.html Jun 08 02:13:23 Loudergood, Nasa pics not webOS compatible !( Jun 08 02:13:41 that's disheartening Jun 08 02:15:41 wow that is an ugly failure Jun 08 02:37:02 halfhalo: get one of those camera backpacks that has a slot for a laptop (or TouchPad) Jun 08 02:37:52 like this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000YIYQ30/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3 Jun 08 02:39:30 http://smallpondapps.com/2011/06/07/hello-world/ Jun 08 02:43:54 need an app named BigFish Jun 08 02:45:09 I'm the bigFish at smallPond Jun 08 02:45:26 crap, I gotta register that username... :) Jun 08 02:46:11 haha Jun 08 02:46:19 it'd make a great email address Jun 08 02:46:51 bigFish@smallpondapps.com Jun 08 02:48:45 bigpondapps.com is available... interesting :P Jun 08 02:49:16 lol Jun 08 02:49:23 now it's not lol Jun 08 02:49:27 jk Jun 08 02:50:50 * haeffb not very good at graphics - spent all evening making that logo Jun 08 02:51:06 halfhalo: any apps in the pipeline? Jun 08 02:51:22 is that why you were yelling at gimp? Jun 08 02:52:26 haha...f'in gimp Jun 08 02:53:03 I'm learning, though Jun 08 02:53:25 gimp is uselesss. anyone that claims otherwise is suffering from mental retardation Jun 08 02:54:39 I find inkscape a little more useful for drawing things Jun 08 02:54:51 not that I have the slightest bit of artistic talent Jun 08 02:57:31 Paint.NET on windows is good Jun 08 02:58:56 * Nuttybunny suffers from mental retardation Jun 08 02:59:05 that may explain why my app is taking so long ;) Jun 08 02:59:56 Paint.NET on ubuntu is worse than useless **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 08 02:59:56 2011