**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 09 02:59:57 2011 Jun 09 03:42:39 * NuttyBunny hops around Jun 09 03:43:02 IT FREAKING WORKS!! AT LAST!!! :D After hours of trying to pinpoint what the heck was :D Jun 09 03:43:08 and won't say :D Jun 09 03:51:50 "NuttyBunny hops around" YES Jun 09 04:02:31 yaaay, sleeeeep Jun 09 04:02:55 Tibfib_uk: no Jun 09 04:03:07 it was glorious Jun 09 04:03:17 oh Jun 09 04:03:17 :( Jun 09 04:03:21 was going to stop you! Jun 09 04:03:37 no I need to sleep Jun 09 04:03:44 I shouldn't really sleep on my flight Jun 09 04:04:10 :P Jun 09 04:37:34 Netflix is crack! Jun 09 04:57:40 you're crack Jun 09 07:20:00 nice. i installed uberkernel again, set it to screenstate 500/1000 and it runs very smooth and stable Jun 09 07:20:27 pre `? Jun 09 07:42:12 hola Jun 09 07:51:27 random question: I can't seem to get an html form/input type="file" to function, it displays a choose file button, but tapping it doesn't seem to do anything, is there some special folder which must be populated to choose files from? Jun 09 08:51:47 Hi all :) Jun 09 08:52:17 hi Jun 09 13:08:43 Yeah! July 1st! :D Jun 09 13:08:52 what? Jun 09 13:09:25 TouchPad Jun 09 13:09:39 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-Announces-HP-TouchPad-bw-3702098318.html?x=0&.v=1 Jun 09 13:12:50 wow Jun 09 13:12:52 cool Jun 09 13:13:55 hey my app is not running in palm sdk Jun 09 13:14:11 its just displaying the icon.. Jun 09 13:14:31 previously all the app were running... Jun 09 13:14:57 now i am trying new app...so its jst displaying icon Jun 09 13:15:04 what do i do? Jun 09 13:16:24 n idont think i have ny problem with my code Jun 09 13:16:39 ?? Jun 09 13:17:28 look into /var/log/messages in the emulator, see if you can find the source of the problem there Jun 09 13:19:45 where is this directory? Jun 09 13:20:37 use novaterm to connect Jun 09 13:21:06 what is it? Jun 09 13:21:24 novaterm? Jun 09 13:22:12 halp! please :) Jun 09 13:22:23 My notifications aren't showing up on exhibition mode on my touchstone on my pre 2 Jun 09 13:22:34 the light flashes but I have to come out of exhibition mode to see what they are Jun 09 13:22:36 =/ Jun 09 13:23:44 too bad I can't use today's google toy on my phone. Jun 09 13:24:31 too bad I also don't have an answer to your problem :( Jun 09 13:24:43 No problem xD Jun 09 13:25:05 how can i successfully run my app? Jun 09 13:44:05 hello all Jun 09 13:44:38 zee: How can you be so sure that your app works? Jun 09 13:45:26 random question: I can't seem to get an html form/input type="file" to function, it displays a choose file button, but tapping it doesn't seem to do anything, is there some special folder which must be populated to choose files from? Jun 09 13:46:08 Argh... Palm's name keeps dissapearing... now the email's subject says: "HP Receipts - Your HP Receipt", and just yesterday it was "Your Palm Receipt" :( Jun 09 13:46:33 NuttyBunny: let it go... let it go.. Jun 09 13:46:43 TDL: No, those won't work in webOS Jun 09 13:46:51 * NuttyBunny sobs Jun 09 13:47:02 at least I can still look at the back cover of my Pre2 :) Jun 09 13:47:05 they seriously didn't implement a common dialog? Jun 09 13:47:19 No, they didn't implement a way of uploading files Jun 09 13:47:37 File sharing in webOS is pretty limited Jun 09 13:47:46 the amount of fury with which I want to smash more forehead is unbelievable Jun 09 13:47:52 *my not more Jun 09 13:47:54 sorry I'm tired Jun 09 13:48:17 NP, at least now you know that it won't work no matter how how hard you try Jun 09 13:48:42 yeah, I figured I was doing something wrong, and unfortunately, it wasn't something that was easy to lookup Jun 09 13:48:53 the terms are too generic Jun 09 13:49:21 would probably have been easier if the browser wasn't named "browser" Jun 09 13:49:31 is it? Jun 09 13:49:40 I dunno, seems to be Jun 09 13:49:47 Mine says "Web" Jun 09 13:49:54 new model? Jun 09 13:50:44 guess mine says web too Jun 09 13:50:48 maybe I had it backwards Jun 09 13:50:54 I think it's changing to browser Jun 09 13:51:26 I don't suppose there's a preware patch to enable file upload Jun 09 14:07:04 TDL: No, no patch, simple there isn't a file picker for the browser and there's no upload function in it as well Jun 09 14:07:54 yeah, wasn't sure how the patches were implemented, or to what depth they could go (binary/script) Jun 09 14:16:28 good morning Jun 09 14:17:03 mornin sugardave Jun 09 14:17:32 morning Jun 09 14:22:32 I'm off! Thanks for the help NuttyBunny! Jun 09 14:28:27 Uhm, those WebOS Services are cool Jun 09 14:28:31 but also very hard to grasp Jun 09 14:38:04 phoque: example? Jun 09 14:38:42 cwayne, I've written a simple FileIO Service Jun 09 14:38:54 easy peasy: https://gist.github.com/1014188 Jun 09 14:39:05 but I want to write a service that uses a custom node.js module Jun 09 14:39:14 and connects to DropBox Jun 09 14:39:17 that's a bit harder Jun 09 14:39:17 :-D Jun 09 14:41:04 I need to initialize some classes from the node.js modules Jun 09 14:41:07 and keep them around Jun 09 14:41:14 even if the method returns Jun 09 14:41:28 also, most of the methods I want to use use callbacks Jun 09 14:42:00 I don't know how to tell my service that it should wait for the other method before it's returning Jun 09 14:53:55 gah Jun 09 14:54:09 I can't even launch another method from run() without failing Jun 09 14:54:58 they should've shown that at the webOS workshops Jun 09 14:55:10 instead of a node.js HTTP server Jun 09 14:55:11 :-D Jun 09 14:57:13 phoque: well, you shouldn't call blocking methods in run() Jun 09 14:57:21 readdirSync sounds blocking Jun 09 14:59:22 fs.readdir(path, function(err,files) { future.result = { files: files }; }); Jun 09 15:03:38 So did you guys see this? Jun 09 15:03:40 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/06/hp-touchpad-its-a-date.html Jun 09 15:04:03 July 1st is the date Jun 09 15:13:52 yup Jun 09 15:13:57 so much for June Jun 09 15:16:08 Extra week for us developers :D Jun 09 15:17:35 let's see... that gives me almost 3 weeks to figure out a way to earn $500 extra :) Jun 09 15:17:36 no way the touchpad can compete at those prices Jun 09 15:17:53 stbuehler, oh, OK... I thought since the service is launched asynchroneously it wouldn't matter Jun 09 15:17:57 but that's not the issue Jun 09 15:18:39 Precentral had a great writeup about why the TouchPad shouldn't be cheaper than the iPad Jun 09 15:18:51 It changed my perspective about the pricing issue Jun 09 15:18:57 hemna: "at those prices"? that's exactly what the iPad sells at, and everyone buys an iPad Jun 09 15:19:06 heh, reality will dictate otherwise Jun 09 15:19:15 yah everyone buys an iPad because they are apple fanboys Jun 09 15:19:21 but also executing another method synchroneously didn't work Jun 09 15:19:30 you aren't going to get any of those people switching to touchpad at the same price as an iPad Jun 09 15:19:35 how would my callback know about future.result Jun 09 15:19:39 yep, my girlfriends mother who doesn't understand basic computing, she's an apple fanboy Jun 09 15:19:42 and how would the service know when to return a value? Jun 09 15:20:26 hemna, iPad and TouchPad, side by side... one plastic, one aluminum... one of them cheaper Jun 09 15:20:35 your buysers will think its a cheap knockoff Jun 09 15:21:15 they already think it's a knockoff Jun 09 15:21:33 regardless, so why would they buy one at the same price? Jun 09 15:21:41 you're not going to get the apple fan club to switch with a lower price Jun 09 15:21:59 that's arguable Jun 09 15:22:05 I can't wait to get one myself Jun 09 15:22:15 Apple does have first-mover advantage here, but because of that, HP needs to set themselves apart from all the shitty $200-$300 pricepoint android tablets Jun 09 15:22:16 time will tell Jun 09 15:22:20 how realistic is it to think you're going to sell TouchPads to people who already have iPads? There is a distinct difference between those people and people who have nothing at all as a tablet Jun 09 15:22:37 true Jun 09 15:23:07 personally, if Apple were going to try to undercut the iPad, I feel they'd have to at least stay above $400 Jun 09 15:23:08 sugardave, absolutely. even at 100 USD, you won't get iPad owners to buy another tablet Jun 09 15:23:27 phoque: hm, looks like you have not much experience in async coding Jun 09 15:23:35 maybe could've gone $450 and maintained their "we're just as good, if not better, as the iPad" Jun 09 15:23:41 stbuehler, yes, I don't :-) Jun 09 15:23:42 people that already own a pad aren't going to buy another one true. but if there is no price difference between them, there is no incentive for someone to not buy an ipad. Jun 09 15:23:55 apple haters Jun 09 15:23:59 of which I know many Jun 09 15:24:06 * hemna raises hand Jun 09 15:24:06 but, yeah, I hear you Jun 09 15:24:12 :) Jun 09 15:24:25 HP has traditionally not done well in consumer Jun 09 15:24:26 stbuehler, I was having a hard time wrapping my head around basic callbacks but I think I've gotten the hang of it (most of the time they simply write to a object property) Jun 09 15:24:37 they are too enterprise focused Jun 09 15:24:42 phoque: did you understand my example above with fs.readdir? Jun 09 15:24:46 hemna: yeah their laptop sales numbers are horrible Jun 09 15:25:13 hemna: my mom has a button that says "`but things have always been that way` is not a valid excuse" :) Jun 09 15:25:32 hemna: that is a challenge, for sure...but a "prosumer" device in the enterprise space may start leaking into the regular consumer market enough to make it a viable 3rd player Jun 09 15:25:38 of course they're enterprise focused, that's where their business is Jun 09 15:25:58 stbuehler, I understood the difference between the synchronized and the async fs.readdir but I didn't understand how the callback would know about future.result (it's not a property of the object, nor passed as an argument). Also, I don't understand how the service determines when to return a result... Jun 09 15:26:15 I hope so Jun 09 15:26:21 I want to see the touchpad do well Jun 09 15:26:21 phoque: ah ok Jun 09 15:26:29 me, too...I took a big gamble :D Jun 09 15:26:32 enterprise being primarily a windows platform is a large reason for the intertia that people keep for running windows at home, I would argue Jun 09 15:26:33 if it doesn't then webos is in trouble (more so than it is already) Jun 09 15:26:37 phoque: the "future" variable is locally scoped, as it is a "formal" argument to the run function Jun 09 15:26:46 so the inner function can access it too Jun 09 15:26:51 it's what they know Jun 09 15:27:06 if webOS can become that, then that's a big win Jun 09 15:27:11 stbuehler, ah, I see! Jun 09 15:27:52 phoque: so variables are either "global" or belong to a function; that is why you should always mark local variables with "var x,y;" Jun 09 15:28:03 parameters are always local ofc Jun 09 15:28:17 stbuehler, yup, I understand that Jun 09 15:28:38 good :) that should help you with the basics Jun 09 15:28:41 personally, it feels weird coming from other languages. I'd prefer that variables default to local, and be delcared global Jun 09 15:29:06 so any function that's "inline defined" has access to all local variables of the method that's happening in Jun 09 15:29:16 since they appear global to it Jun 09 15:29:25 what if I can't define a callback in the caller's arguments? Jun 09 15:29:32 yes, i guess you could say it like that Jun 09 15:29:35 hm Jun 09 15:29:40 something like asyncstuff(this.callback); Jun 09 15:29:44 you always can define local functions Jun 09 15:29:44 Damn, worky time... :( bbl Jun 09 15:29:54 ah, right Jun 09 15:29:56 this.callback sounds dangerous Jun 09 15:30:05 asyncstuff(function() {this.callback(future);}); Jun 09 15:30:05 this.callback.bind(this) Jun 09 15:30:15 gotta go now to catch my train Jun 09 15:30:17 asyncstuff(function() {this.callback(future);}.bind(this)); Jun 09 15:30:27 thanks! Jun 09 15:30:30 that helped a lot Jun 09 15:30:31 be back later :) Jun 09 15:30:47 cool, cya :-) Jun 09 15:31:30 I'd like to see HP implement something like BBM/iMessages, even if it was complete support of Google Talk Jun 09 15:36:43 man the facebook app is really starting to die off Jun 09 15:38:35 Loudergood, the facebook mobile website is a lot worse Jun 09 15:39:13 I like the FB app, I wish it wouldn't have weird reload-feed replication though Jun 09 15:39:22 and I wish it'd keep up with features FB implements Jun 09 15:39:24 oh I know Jun 09 15:39:32 the app keeps forwarding me to it though Jun 09 15:39:37 holaholahola Jun 09 15:39:44 holla Jun 09 15:49:59 phoque: asyncstuff(this.callback.bind(this, future)); might work too btw Jun 09 15:50:26 ok :-) Jun 09 15:50:42 I've rewritten my FileIO service to be asynchroneously now Jun 09 15:50:56 nice Jun 09 15:52:06 the ultimate goal is to write a wrapper for https://github.com/evnm/dropbox-node Jun 09 15:54:35 but I don't know how I can use the same instance of an object in two different calls Jun 09 15:56:26 This is typical Jun 09 15:56:34 Talking to someone at palm/hp Jun 09 15:56:40 they haven't heard of my problem before either! Jun 09 15:57:04 Boopop, doctor it :-) Jun 09 15:57:14 I've only had it for 2 weeks! Jun 09 15:57:22 I don't want to have to doctor it twice a month =/ Jun 09 15:58:16 phoque: what is the problem with using it in different calls? the api is async, so it should be handle to handle multiple jobs at a time Jun 09 15:59:42 so I should create the object every time I do a single operation? Jun 09 15:59:44 hmmm Jun 09 16:00:43 no Jun 09 16:00:57 you can init one dropbox instance Jun 09 16:01:06 and do all operations on it Jun 09 16:01:28 save it in the controller statemachine? Jun 09 16:01:58 each request will have itts onw future object foc Jun 09 16:02:58 damn 3g lags :D Jun 09 16:03:00 yeah Jun 09 16:07:01 argh Jun 09 16:07:09 I can't find that page Jun 09 16:07:28 the Mojo docs are bad but the Service docs consist of only two or three pages Jun 09 16:07:39 yeah, docs are bad Jun 09 16:07:42 yet I still can't find what I'm looking for Jun 09 16:07:43 :-) Jun 09 16:07:53 and some future methods are bad too Jun 09 16:08:04 .async, .now - don't use them Jun 09 16:08:28 ok Jun 09 16:08:29 :-) Jun 09 16:09:42 is there an open source app that has a more complicated service so I can take a look at that? Jun 09 16:09:48 * halfhalo yawns Jun 09 16:09:52 the helloworld service isn't of much help :-) Jun 09 16:09:57 hm Jun 09 16:11:37 i didn't publish my "battle.net authenticator" source, but you could have a look at it ofc: http://palm.stbuehler.de/de.stbuehler.bnetauth_1.0.3_all.ipk (if you know how to extract packages) Jun 09 16:12:07 it does a simple http request Jun 09 16:12:18 wow, there's a battle.net authenticator for webOS? Jun 09 16:12:19 :-D Jun 09 16:13:01 well, not n the app store yet, not official, ... :) Jun 09 16:13:04 but works for me Jun 09 16:13:43 I'll install it right away Jun 09 16:13:45 :-P Jun 09 16:13:52 i had to use nodejs, as the request for getting a token uses binary data Jun 09 16:13:58 ah, I see Jun 09 16:14:05 safeFuture... Jun 09 16:14:24 but i have to check whether webos supports typed arrays, perhaps i could workarond the problem with that Jun 09 16:14:36 oh, and node crypto services don't support binary keys -.- Jun 09 16:15:25 i made a patch, but it didn't even get upstream, so it will probably never hit webos :) Jun 09 16:15:25 I see, I see Jun 09 16:15:51 interesting stuff Jun 09 16:16:22 see I didn't event know how to use code that doesn't come in the *Assistant.prototype.run()-fashion Jun 09 16:16:25 :-D Jun 09 16:20:24 and undocumented foundations, for crypto stuff :D Jun 09 16:20:38 :-) Jun 09 16:20:46 your app doesn't work Jun 09 16:20:51 they are implemented in pure js if node is not available, which it luckily isn't Jun 09 16:20:54 the Serial is too long Jun 09 16:20:57 uhm Jun 09 16:20:58 :-D Jun 09 16:21:02 ignore the "-"es Jun 09 16:21:05 ah Jun 09 16:21:08 as the hint says on the page Jun 09 16:21:10 and the auth code is way way too long Jun 09 16:21:21 that is the token Jun 09 16:21:26 that is secret :) Jun 09 16:21:35 auth code is on the main panel Jun 09 16:21:38 so go back to it :) Jun 09 16:21:43 ah, stupid Blizzard, their form could have done that Jun 09 16:22:25 awesome Jun 09 16:22:30 it's working Jun 09 16:22:45 great app! Jun 09 16:26:45 have you submitted it to the App Catalog or Preware? Jun 09 16:31:44 morning! Jun 09 16:32:11 morning Jun 09 16:32:20 phoque: no, neither yet. i wanted to check with blizzard first whether they ok with me using their logo :) Jun 09 16:32:51 phoque: and i'm still thinking about whether i want to sell the app :) Jun 09 16:33:45 so, anything happen the last couple of days? I've been a bit busy... Jun 09 16:34:06 nope Jun 09 16:34:09 :p Jun 09 16:34:51 can I say something politically incorrect? Jun 09 16:34:57 yes Jun 09 16:35:25 chuqui: you could tell me who i should hit for not responding to https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13697 :D (Control.Future api) Jun 09 16:35:58 I am really damn happy to be able to say the TouchPad is going to ship soon. I am really damn proud of the product, too. Jun 09 16:36:07 stbuehler: email pdc@ and we'll poke a stick at someone. Jun 09 16:36:08 good man Jun 09 16:36:18 free touchpads for all? Jun 09 16:36:30 chuqui: that's politically incorrect/ how so? Jun 09 16:36:31 it is a good product, and the start of a really great series of products. IMHO. Jun 09 16:36:36 chuqui: So dev TouchPads soon ? Jun 09 16:37:09 halfhalo: I d'nt have free ones to give away, or I would. Jun 09 16:37:13 summatusmentis: I cussed. Jun 09 16:37:16 I do that. Jun 09 16:37:23 awww Jun 09 16:37:27 bahaha Jun 09 16:37:33 but I try not to except around good friends. Like all of oyu. Jun 09 16:37:56 hotdp: dev program for touchpads being worked on. can't promise timing yet. but it's being worked on. Jun 09 16:38:11 chuqui: any details? price, etc? Jun 09 16:38:13 chuqui: thanks good to know, because then i wont buy it Jun 09 16:38:25 (until the dev one come) Jun 09 16:38:28 cwayne: no, not untli it's announced. In case things change. Jun 09 16:38:39 chuqui: fair enough :) Jun 09 16:38:53 buy one retail, too. you'll want one to use, one to geek. one for the spouse, one for the dog.... buy lots! Jun 09 16:39:06 oh man Jun 09 16:39:12 you shouldn't have said that Jun 09 16:40:18 heh Jun 09 16:40:18 chuqui: do you get % of sale? Or just keep your job :P Jun 09 16:40:44 I'll start with "keep my job" Jun 09 16:41:52 I have no spouse, nor a dog, and I like my devices to use and geek on at the same time Jun 09 16:42:20 can't afford one retail yet anyway, guess I'll have to see what pans out >.> Jun 09 16:47:14 crap releas of touchpad only after my visit to US :( Jun 09 16:53:21 summatusmentis: MOAR APPS Jun 09 16:53:38 sugardave: yeah, in all my spare time Jun 09 16:53:42 heh Jun 09 16:54:23 I'm supposed to be learning android dev in my spare time this summer Jun 09 16:54:25 guh Jun 09 16:55:04 oh man, this coffee shop wifi is worse than tethering at 1 bar of EVDO :-/ Jun 09 16:55:34 how'm I supposed to download 345MB this way? Jun 09 16:55:44 SimpsonUS: bad luck Jun 09 16:55:54 SimpsonUS: I guess the worldwide release will be ok :) Jun 09 16:56:11 freaking tequila Jun 09 16:56:13 yeah, I love webos but I'm getting extremly frustrated with hardware access Jun 09 16:56:21 summatusmentis: you're supposed to use it reasonably and not pull 300MB on a coffee shop wifi Jun 09 16:56:27 can't buy the things in .nl so I need to import Jun 09 16:56:33 SimpsonUS: .nl \o/ Jun 09 16:56:50 madnificent: when I'm without internet where I'm staying, coffee shop or tether are my two options Jun 09 16:56:52 ? Jun 09 16:57:02 SimpsonUS: I'm from belgium, not that far off Jun 09 16:57:28 SimpsonUS: there is iOS and android Jun 09 16:58:08 madnificent, and where do you get your devices from then ? Jun 09 16:58:36 SimpsonUS: I don't ;_; Jun 09 16:58:50 SimpsonUS: however, I assume it'll get much better in the short run Jun 09 16:59:00 that what I hope for a while already Jun 09 16:59:04 okay coffee break Jun 09 16:59:25 SimpsonUS: my pre- came refurbished from germany, my pre2 was given to me by palm. luckily, I can't afford a touchpad, so I needn't be angry that I can't buy it locally. Jun 09 17:27:20 sooo... its quiet now. what fun is that Jun 09 17:30:04 i got an e-mail from HP asking if i wanted to place a TouchPad pre-order starting June 19th Jun 09 17:44:41 I DO Jun 09 17:44:49 wanna pre-order Jun 09 17:44:50 lol Jun 09 17:45:28 you will maik? Jun 09 17:45:45 i want to, not sure i can swing it though Jun 09 17:46:10 and actually i'm not to sure on the want at the moment, either Jun 09 17:46:10 right there with you Jun 09 17:46:18 who wants to buy me one? Jun 09 17:47:36 maik: order it for me then :) Jun 09 17:48:10 money is the biggest factor Jun 09 17:49:55 * hotdp wonder if HP will create buzz like Apple style or role out quitly Jun 09 17:50:33 I'm hoping for buzz Jun 09 18:17:23 if you submit an app, and its approved, can you go into the website and temporarily take it down again? essentially is there a way to toggle "available" or not yourself? Jun 09 18:22:55 no Jun 09 18:22:56 You can request a suspension Jun 09 18:23:04 you can take it back Jun 09 18:23:05 yer Jun 09 18:23:36 so you can ask for it but you cant just remove it and put it back yourself? Jun 09 18:24:13 would just go and figure this out myself, but cant create a full dev accnt until Paypal unlocks my account .... again. Jun 09 18:25:22 tempted to put an app in that catalog that I *think* is ok for a TouchPad, but want to be able to pull it down and put it back if I discover issues. Jun 09 18:26:38 ryanwatkins: you can not do it Jun 09 18:26:43 you can take the app down Jun 09 18:26:47 and then submit it again Jun 09 18:26:56 there is not a "on/off" switch Jun 09 18:27:18 ok, so I can take it down, but would need to rev the version and get it back thru approval to get it back up again. Jun 09 18:27:42 thx! Jun 09 18:28:42 heh... if your app has violence involving robots, its ok. Jun 09 18:28:52 ryanwatkins: Paypal locked your account? Did they "limit" it? Jun 09 18:28:53 * dohtem is reading the submission guidelines Jun 09 18:29:25 yes, the decided to "limit" it. Jun 09 18:29:49 either when I signed up for a full dev accnt or paid for $3.00 subscription to instapaper. Jun 09 18:30:06 Does your account show instructions to "unlimit" it? Mine got limited recently and it says to go to a page and follow directions but there aren't any there. Jun 09 18:30:15 because apparently a $3 transaction and having moved from one part of brooklyn to another part of brooklyn 3 years ago is a big red flag for international money laundering. Jun 09 18:30:20 They limited me after my brother paid $60 to me... Jun 09 18:30:48 the instructions require pin verification of my address. which they refuse to do for a cell phone, only a land line i dont have. Jun 09 18:31:03 so they have to *physically mail* me a pin code to validate. Jun 09 18:31:27 There aren't any instructions on the page they tell me to go to. It's soooo frustrating Jun 09 18:31:45 all so i can signup for a dev account that ... has no cost .. to release a free app. $0. Jun 09 18:32:35 Heh Jun 09 18:32:47 They locked up my $100 in that account too Jun 09 18:33:27 paypal is supposed to make online payment easy. but that hasnt ever been my experience. Jun 09 18:34:01 makes it paranoid Jun 09 18:34:07 ^ Jun 09 18:34:56 Once I get mine back to normal, I'm going to withdraw all my money everytime I get a payment. I don't want them holding my money hostage until I follow non-existent instructions. Jun 09 18:35:09 yeah Jun 09 18:35:12 it's a bit rough Jun 09 18:35:36 i never store money there, but always getting locked out just when I need to use it to send some. Jun 09 18:35:48 this has happened several times. Jun 09 18:36:18 if there is ever an alternative to paypal, i use it. Jun 09 18:36:29 I hate it when my internet goes out Jun 09 18:36:54 It's been doing that about 4-5 times a day for the past few days. Jun 09 18:39:02 bad router? Jun 09 18:39:34 that's usually the case, that or a borderline signal Jun 09 18:39:35 yea, new reliable touchstone for work works.. $5. woot. Jun 09 18:40:00 http://mlkshk.com/r/38N3 <- iMessage is pretty slick Jun 09 18:40:46 nice Jun 09 18:40:55 so it switches to use your capped data instead of your unlimited texting plan? Jun 09 18:41:00 haha Jun 09 18:41:23 not every one has unlimited SMS Jun 09 18:41:51 and many sms from home or work where they have a wifi connection. Jun 09 18:42:32 yes I know Jun 09 18:42:41 it's just hmm.. Jun 09 18:42:47 plus its only a few KB Jun 09 18:42:52 the device should be smart enough Jun 09 18:43:22 to know whether i have the grandfathered at&t unlimited plan or the new capped one? Jun 09 18:43:24 I only get 100MB with my current plan Jun 09 18:43:49 sure, there should be a standard way to pull that up on your phone Jun 09 18:44:13 including your usage Jun 09 18:44:20 there isn't, but we can dream Jun 09 18:44:30 carriers dont want to do that Jun 09 18:44:36 of course not Jun 09 18:44:44 there, issue resolved. Jun 09 18:44:49 carriers love to handicap the system Jun 09 18:45:03