**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 10 02:59:57 2011
Jun 10 03:00:33 <bpadalino> the calm before the storm
Jun 10 04:19:03 <dohtem|desk> yeah, tax free TouchPad from Amazon.com :)
Jun 10 04:25:51 <oil_pre> wha?
Jun 10 04:27:16 <oil_pre> dohtem: full price? not waiting for devcoupon to happen?
Jun 10 04:28:40 <dohtem> hmm...
Jun 10 04:34:17 <oil_pre> well, assuming it does
Jun 10 04:53:34 <Darksynz> hello? anyone awake?
Jun 10 04:53:46 <rwhitby> yep, just had lunch :)
Jun 10 04:53:59 <Darksynz> lunch? where u? singapore?
Jun 10 04:54:14 <Darksynz> :)
Jun 10 04:54:38 <rwhitby> Australia
Jun 10 04:55:00 <Darksynz> nice, was there about 7 years ago in the navy. Good times on King Cross
Jun 10 04:55:12 <Darksynz> anyway.. I just acquired a palm plus from att
Jun 10 04:55:37 <Darksynz> i installed webos quick install as usual.. I tell it to download a them or preware and it does nothing
Jun 10 04:55:44 <Darksynz> this didn't happen on my sprint pre 1
Jun 10 04:55:48 <Darksynz> whats going on?
Jun 10 04:56:14 <Darksynz> theme
Jun 10 04:56:28 <Darksynz> i am on windows 7
Jun 10 04:56:49 <Darksynz> but i think i had windows 7 in the past and my sprint one still worked just fine
Jun 10 04:58:22 <jaf0> you awake, sugardave?
Jun 10 04:59:12 <Darksynz> hello?
Jun 10 04:59:22 <Darksynz> can anyone give some advice
Jun 10 05:01:31 <Darksynz> is there another channel that can help or should i just spam this one
Jun 10 05:02:00 <Darksynz> seriously, freenode sucks for help, even though it always says come here for assistance
Jun 10 05:06:34 <dwc-> did you try rebooting? (phone and/or computer)
Jun 10 05:09:35 <dwc-> unfortunately, I can't be of much help... I've only wosqi once. (but it was on win7 if that helps)
Jun 10 05:14:30 <Darksynz> yeah, ive rebooted both
Jun 10 05:14:34 <Darksynz> the phone and the computer
Jun 10 05:14:50 <Darksynz> wosqi acts like its installing b ut it does nothing
Jun 10 05:15:01 <Darksynz> i remember on my palm 1 from sprint..
Jun 10 05:15:16 <Darksynz> if i installed a theme, the pre would flicker or ask me to reboot maybe
Jun 10 05:15:23 <Darksynz> this palm pre plus does nothing
Jun 10 05:15:34 <Darksynz> even when it looks like wosqi is installing it
Jun 10 05:19:23 <Darksynz> is there another channel on freenode that I can get help with this?
Jun 10 05:20:04 <rwhitby> Darksynz: what webOS version is it running?
Jun 10 05:20:12 <rwhitby> I bet it's less than 1.4.5
Jun 10 05:21:00 <Darksynz> no, i just bought this yesterday and it is exactly 1.4.5
Jun 10 05:21:36 <Darksynz> im thinking of going to 2.1 but I dont see why someone just cant come out with a webosdoctor 2.1 instead of doing all the linux stuff
Jun 10 05:21:46 <Darksynz> and having me install another linux paritition
Jun 10 05:22:16 <rwhitby> a little thing called copyright law is why
Jun 10 05:22:37 <dwc-> why do you need another linux partition?
Jun 10 05:24:04 <maik> Darksynz: the instructions don't have Windows instructions?
Jun 10 05:24:34 <Darksynz> no, the wiki page says to install wubi to do what you need to install 2.1 on a pre plus
Jun 10 05:24:46 <Darksynz> and quite frankly, I dont need 2.1 right now.
Jun 10 05:25:00 <Darksynz> i just want to add some plugins to my phone and theme it
Jun 10 05:25:15 <Darksynz> and wosqi isn't working
Jun 10 05:25:38 <Darksynz> it sees the phone. when i install something it acts like its dointg something. When i look at my phone, its done nothing
Jun 10 05:25:41 <rwhitby> what version of wosqi are you using?
Jun 10 05:25:55 <maik> you don't happen to have the emulator running at the same time, do you?
Jun 10 05:26:04 <Darksynz> newest one i think.. holdon
Jun 10 05:26:37 <Darksynz> 4.1.1
Jun 10 05:27:38 <rwhitby> latest novacom drivers?
Jun 10 05:28:38 <Darksynz> yes, the most recent..
Jun 10 05:28:44 <Darksynz> i just told it to install preware..
Jun 10 05:29:00 <Darksynz> it had the little animation going saying, "transfering etc"
Jun 10 05:29:07 <Darksynz> i look on my phone and no preware
Jun 10 05:29:17 <Darksynz> sprint palm 1 use to flicker or reboot
Jun 10 05:29:20 <Darksynz> this does nothing
Jun 10 05:31:02 <Darksynz> 7
Jun 10 05:33:13 <Darksynz> does, anyone have any advice?
Jun 10 05:33:17 <Darksynz> yes? no
Jun 10 05:33:32 <maik> i'm not really sure
Jun 10 05:33:37 <dwc-> try an older version?
Jun 10 05:33:43 <maik> i mean, if it works for everyone else, either your phone is busted or you're doing something wrong
Jun 10 05:33:57 <dwc-> the changelog suggests some novacom stuff changed
Jun 10 05:34:25 <Darksynz> for windows 7?
Jun 10 05:34:37 <dwc-> 4.04 worked for me on win7 with the pre2
Jun 10 05:34:48 <dwc-> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/274461-webos-quick-install-v4-1-1-a.html
Jun 10 05:34:49 <Darksynz> i mean, does the latest version of wosqi suppose to work with 1.4.5?
Jun 10 05:34:51 <dwc-> ^ changelog
Jun 10 05:35:02 <Darksynz> palm pre plus
Jun 10 05:35:05 <Darksynz> not 2
Jun 10 05:35:07 <dwc-> beats me. ask the guy who mad eit
Jun 10 05:35:58 <Darksynz> do you have a palm pre plus from att?
Jun 10 05:36:04 <dwc-> no
Jun 10 05:36:08 <Darksynz> ok
Jun 10 05:36:17 <Darksynz> do you have a palm pre plus from verizon?
Jun 10 05:36:23 <dwc-> no. I have a pre2
Jun 10 05:36:35 <Darksynz> ok, im talking about a palm pre plus
Jun 10 05:36:38 <Darksynz> from att
Jun 10 05:36:39 <dwc-> I know you are.
Jun 10 05:36:57 <Darksynz> have u ever had a palm pre plus from att or verizon
Jun 10 05:36:58 <Darksynz> ?
Jun 10 05:37:23 <dwc-> if you're hoping for someone with the exact same hardware on the exact same carrier and exact same software, to be here, at your beck and call, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.
Jun 10 05:37:50 <Darksynz> well that would defeat the purpose of this irc channel because..
Jun 10 05:37:58 <Darksynz> you can only have a palm pre from sprint..
Jun 10 05:38:08 <Darksynz> plus from att or verizon or a palm pre 2
Jun 10 05:38:19 <Darksynz> like 4 options
Jun 10 05:38:23 <Darksynz> really 3
Jun 10 05:38:47 <dwc-> and if we kick all the people who aren't from the US out, it'll be awfully quiet
Jun 10 05:39:09 <Darksynz> the geography has no consequence ..
Jun 10 05:39:13 <Darksynz> its the same software
Jun 10 05:39:25 <dwc-> you're the one who brought up att/vzw/sprint ...
Jun 10 05:39:41 <Darksynz> obviously, because im here
Jun 10 05:39:42 <rwhitby> Darksynz: install the Palm SDK, then use palm-install to install Preware.  Or ask in Jason's PreCentral thread
Jun 10 05:39:46 <Darksynz> but the software is the same
Jun 10 05:39:59 <Darksynz> ok, thanks rwhitby
Jun 10 05:40:22 <dwc-> then why are you asking me what I have?
Jun 10 05:40:35 <dwc-> if it doesn't matter?
Jun 10 05:40:50 <Darksynz> because i want to know your experiences with the software and try to duplicate it to resolve my issue
Jun 10 05:41:04 <Darksynz> if you had a palm pre plus..
Jun 10 05:41:13 <Darksynz> and used a particular wosqi..
Jun 10 05:41:24 <dwc-> I already told you I couldn't give you an exact replica of your setup, like 30 minutes ago
Jun 10 05:41:30 <Darksynz> if it worked for u, it should work for me.. then i could further deal with the matter
Jun 10 05:41:44 <Darksynz> then be silent
Jun 10 05:41:55 <Darksynz> 30 minutes ago
Jun 10 05:42:04 <dwc-> well then, be not surprised if NOBODY IS HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WHEN YOU WANT IT
Jun 10 05:42:13 <dwc-> and quit yer bitching
Jun 10 05:42:20 <maik> holy crap people, keep it civil
Jun 10 05:42:29 <Darksynz> im sorry that its an irc channel and nobody talks..
Jun 10 05:42:38 <Darksynz> what are u? 18?
Jun 10 05:42:47 <Darksynz> this is what irc is for
Jun 10 05:42:49 <maik> knock it off
Jun 10 05:42:53 <Darksynz> ok ok
Jun 10 05:42:56 <Darksynz> sorry maik
Jun 10 05:43:33 <maik> either people aren't paying attention or no one knows how to fix your problem
Jun 10 05:43:45 <maik> you'll probably reach a wider breadth of people by asking on the forums
Jun 10 05:44:13 <Darksynz> good information. ill keep checking the forums, but they say check here
Jun 10 05:44:21 <maik> ah
Jun 10 05:44:27 <Darksynz> and being on irc for at least 12 years..
Jun 10 05:44:27 <maik> who is the developer?
Jun 10 05:44:36 <Darksynz> i know it to be a good source of information
Jun 10 05:44:48 <maik> generally, yes.
Jun 10 05:44:52 <rwhitby> maik: JayCanuck never frequents IRC
Jun 10 05:45:17 <rwhitby> and very few folks in WebOS Internals use WOSQI, cause we all have the SDK installed anyway and don't use Windows.
Jun 10 05:45:30 <maik> that was going to be my next question
Jun 10 05:45:35 * oil_pre uses windows :)
Jun 10 05:45:35 <Darksynz> understood
Jun 10 05:45:44 <Darksynz> i can boot into linux and do whatever..
Jun 10 05:45:54 <maik> why not install the SDK?
Jun 10 05:45:54 <Darksynz> my issue is that it has always been so easy from windows..
Jun 10 05:46:11 <Darksynz> and even though its been 6 months since i last had a pre, its very different
Jun 10 05:46:16 <rwhitby> oil_pre: do you use WOSQI though?
Jun 10 05:46:17 <Darksynz> even wosqi is much different
Jun 10 05:46:36 <Darksynz> ill install the sdk
Jun 10 05:46:39 <oil_pre> no
Jun 10 05:46:39 <Darksynz> thank ou
Jun 10 05:46:43 <Darksynz> you
Jun 10 05:51:20 <jaf0> is there a way to "cancel" an AJAX request/WebService?
Jun 10 06:32:32 <stbuehler> jaf0: req.abort(). but the server might not notice until it tries to send data, as you only can send a "FIN" packet, and if the server doesn't try to read from the connection it won't see it. (on write it will get a RST from the client)
Jun 10 06:33:20 <hotdp> good morning
Jun 10 06:33:22 <jaf0> stbuehler: actually, for enyo it's cancelCall().
Jun 10 06:36:03 <dohtem> ...
Jun 10 06:37:07 <stbuehler> oh
Jun 10 06:37:32 <stbuehler> well, i don't think you should ask enyo questions here anyway :D
Jun 10 06:41:48 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 10 06:51:22 <hotdp> Morning swisstomcat
Jun 10 06:51:29 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Jun 10 09:17:57 <loic_m> webosians, I'm looking for the information Pre3 will run webOS3 and so Enyo apps, any pointers ?
Jun 10 09:35:16 <loic_m> the fact is i'm a little bit lost... should I  use my time on Enyo or on Mojo ? On both because they will stay alive together for a long long time ?
Jun 10 09:35:53 <Adora> if you're starting a new app, go with enyo
Jun 10 09:36:48 <hotdp> :)
Jun 10 09:37:59 <loic_m> but will my app run on Pre3 ?
Jun 10 09:38:18 <loic_m> or should I develop a Mojo version for phones ?
Jun 10 09:38:32 <loic_m> this part is unclear for me
Jun 10 09:38:48 <hotdp> So you ask if Pre3 will lunch with enyo?
Jun 10 09:39:02 <loic_m> yep
Jun 10 09:39:13 <loic_m> I don't want to create apps only for Touchpad
Jun 10 09:40:02 <loic_m> and I would like to see my apps running on Pre2, too (but am I dreaming... ? :))
Jun 10 09:46:04 <Gouri> hi
Jun 10 09:46:19 <Gouri> anybody working on Enyo framework here?
Jun 10 09:46:27 <loic_m> trying to ;)
Jun 10 09:48:00 <loic_m> Adora> so can I forget Mojo and invest time on Enyo in order to have apps on phones and tablets ?
Jun 10 09:48:33 <Gouri> did anybody try browser based enyo app?
Jun 10 09:49:28 <loic_m> you mean testing an enyo app in chrome ?
Jun 10 09:49:36 <Gouri> yep
Jun 10 09:49:54 <loic_m> so, yes, I gave it a try
Jun 10 09:50:21 <Gouri> did u try navigating the appp using keyboard? up down arrow keys i mean
Jun 10 09:50:29 <Gouri> I am trying to get that
Jun 10 09:50:48 <Gouri> keynavigation can be acieved using the jquery plugin
Jun 10 09:51:04 <Gouri> however navigating the list is where I am getting stuck
Jun 10 09:51:59 <loic_m> I dit not try keyboard navigation
Jun 10 10:01:12 <hotdp> loic_m use enyo
Jun 10 10:02:21 <loic_m> hotdp> I'd rather use enyo, I get more fun developing than with mojo. but... will enyo run on phones (pre3, 2)?
Jun 10 10:05:31 <Gouri> nope
Jun 10 10:06:51 <loic_m> so it's quite stupid by HP
Jun 10 10:07:44 <Gouri> sorry yep anyo can run in mobile touchpad or even browser!
Jun 10 10:09:42 <loic_m> so : touchpad = enyo, Pre = mojo (even Pre2 and 3)
Jun 10 10:33:59 <hotdp> loic_m: it will run on pre 3 and pre 2
Jun 10 10:34:10 <hotdp> Not "now" but later
Jun 10 10:34:29 <loic_m> for sure ?
Jun 10 10:34:35 <hotdp> its official
Jun 10 10:34:53 <loic_m> I was looking for the news
Jun 10 10:35:07 <loic_m> but if you tell me it's official, that's a good news
Jun 10 10:35:07 <hotdp> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportunities/
Jun 10 10:35:18 <loic_m> miss this one, shame on me
Jun 10 10:35:35 <hotdp> There is nothing about pre 2 there but i think it was at the "show" in feb
Jun 10 10:36:06 <hotdp> "While Mojo has been the foundation for apps on current webOS devices and the upcoming Veer and Pre 3, Enyo is the future."
Jun 10 10:36:32 <loic_m> ok ;)
Jun 10 10:36:50 <loic_m> bbl, sorry (and thanks for the pointer)
Jun 10 10:36:52 <hotdp> I can't find it written about Pre 2
Jun 10 10:37:01 <hotdp> so i can't say for sure
Jun 10 10:54:22 <stbuehler> while enyo is the future, nobodoy knows whether pre2 is part of the future :D
Jun 10 11:40:25 <loic_m> stbuehler> eheh, indeed pre2 is not that part of the future, but it's not that old ;)
Jun 10 14:33:34 <phoque> YEAH
Jun 10 14:33:38 <phoque> got that node.js module working
Jun 10 14:33:49 <phoque> now... how do I share objects across multiple assitants in one service?
Jun 10 14:33:55 <phoque> stbuehler? ;-)
Jun 10 14:55:56 <phoque> or maybe I'm wrong altogether
Jun 10 14:56:18 <phoque> I want to use a node.js object
Jun 10 14:56:19 <stbuehler> phoque: hm, have a global var :)
Jun 10 14:56:27 <phoque> hmm
Jun 10 14:56:45 <phoque> so... define it in any arbitrary .js file that I load using sources.json?
Jun 10 14:56:59 <stbuehler> well, pick one that is loaded early
Jun 10 14:57:05 <stbuehler> but it probably doesn't matter
Jun 10 14:57:17 <phoque> OK
Jun 10 14:58:25 <phoque> all that Service stuff is so weird
Jun 10 14:59:50 <phoque> should I save tokens and secrets that are being returned by the API in a db8 in the Service
Jun 10 14:59:57 <phoque> or in a cookie all the way up in the app?
Jun 10 15:57:10 <stbuehler> phoque: i don't know enough about the problem to help you with design decisions :)
Jun 10 15:57:18 <phoque> :-)
Jun 10 15:57:24 <phoque> me neither ;-)
Jun 10 15:57:26 <stbuehler> hehe
Jun 10 15:58:13 <stbuehler> but be careful with storing secrets
Jun 10 15:58:54 <stbuehler> perhaps even provide a mode where you have to provide login credentials on each app start
Jun 10 15:59:53 <stbuehler> so save them only in memory if possible
Jun 10 16:02:29 <phoque> I'm using Dropbox, they don't allow me to use login credentials every time I want to access the API
Jun 10 16:04:57 <cwayne> phoque: thats cus oauth
Jun 10 16:05:14 <phoque> I know
Jun 10 16:05:29 <phoque> I'm thinking about what to do once I've requested the accesstoken and secret
Jun 10 16:05:30 <phoque> :-)
Jun 10 16:09:57 <sugardav1> ugh, oauth
Jun 10 16:10:26 <hotdp> sugardav1 your nick is reconnect brooken
Jun 10 16:10:32 <sugardav1> doh
Jun 10 16:10:43 <hotdp> ;)
Jun 10 16:10:48 <sugardave> there all better :D
Jun 10 16:11:36 <hotdp> there you are :D
Jun 10 16:18:00 <phoque> OLOLOLOLO
Jun 10 16:18:02 <phoque> its working
Jun 10 16:18:03 <phoque> so easy
Jun 10 16:18:07 <phoque> well... not easy
Jun 10 16:18:11 <phoque> but just 20 lines of code
Jun 10 16:19:27 <hotdp> chuqui: how many touchpads have you sold until now :P
Jun 10 16:20:29 <chuqui> morning!
Jun 10 16:20:38 <hotdp> Morning sir
Jun 10 16:20:42 <chuqui> hotdp:  I don't know. I haven't seen numbers.
Jun 10 16:20:52 <chuqui> or me,personally? I don't sell, I herd cats.
Jun 10 16:21:26 <hotdp> Sold via propaganda :)
Jun 10 16:29:00 <ka6sox-away> chuqui, you sure do herd cats...not an easy job :D
Jun 10 16:36:24 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: pm
Jun 10 16:37:40 <chuqui> haeffb_pre: ping
Jun 10 16:45:58 <sugardave> haha
Jun 10 16:46:27 <sugardave> chuqui: faux-ping
Jun 10 16:47:48 <chuqui> sugardave:  splenda-pong
Jun 10 16:48:06 <sugardave> I just wanted to make you look at your screen again, no reason
Jun 10 16:52:01 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: !!!
Jun 10 16:54:10 * halfhalo yawns
Jun 10 16:54:23 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: !!!
Jun 10 16:56:23 <hotdp> haeffb_pre: are you still looking for new job?
Jun 10 16:56:53 <haeffb_pre> yep
Jun 10 17:01:35 <hotdp> What kind?
Jun 10 17:01:37 <hotdp> ;)
Jun 10 17:21:15 <haeffb_pre> well...something that requires me to lie on a beach drinking rum punch would be nice...
Jun 10 17:22:28 <haeffb_pre> ...but I'm open to any options. I am first looking to stay with my current agency in another location
Jun 10 17:44:26 <Nuttybunny> chuqui: you didn't test my app and it has gone through another step in the alpha cycle :D
Jun 10 17:45:19 <chuqui> Nuttybunny:  Im' really sorry. I got slammed all of a sudden. I'll try to get to it today, (if you ahve an update, send it to me).
Jun 10 17:45:38 <Nuttybunny> Yep, I'm dropboxing it, I'll send you the link , thanks!
Jun 10 17:47:42 <haeffb_pre> Nuttybunny: I also didn't test your app...
Jun 10 17:49:39 <jaf0> hey chuqui where'd the "enyo" sub-forum go? did it get merged into the 3.0EA?
Jun 10 17:50:04 <Nuttybunny> that's fine, it's somewhat better now :)
Jun 10 17:50:24 <chuqui> jaf0:  we made it read only a while back; I hid it to see if anyone would notice, since all of that info's pretty old now that we're headed to release.
Jun 10 17:50:36 <chuqui> jaf0: so far, the number of people who noticed is -- one.
Jun 10 17:51:25 <ianbeck> chuqui: Noticed, just didn't care :-) Been a while since I found something I needed to reference in those forums
Jun 10 17:52:03 <jaf0> so chuq: you gonna be around the 16th?
Jun 10 17:52:42 <Nuttybunny> chuqui: I hadn't noticed yet because I didn't logon to the forum until now, but you did it no more than 3 days ago :)
Jun 10 17:52:53 <chuqui> ianbeck:  that was my feeling. thanks for confirming.
Jun 10 17:53:07 <chuqui> jaf0: I should be, yes.
Jun 10 17:55:36 <Nuttybunny> H have to upgrade my dev machine... the netbook can't cope with firefox, chrome, and the emulator at the same time ... I could really use a dev TP ;)
Jun 10 18:07:07 <Nuttybunny> So, it seems that I'll downscale everything to my Pre2 :D   bbl, food time
Jun 10 18:33:22 <Guest55907> hello...
Jun 10 18:33:56 <Guest55907> how can i post my queries in forum section of developer .palm  website
Jun 10 18:34:19 <Guest55907> ?
Jun 10 18:36:50 <haeffb_pre> do you have a developer account?
Jun 10 18:37:05 <Guest55907> yes i have made
Jun 10 18:37:37 <Guest55907> after going on javascript section what i have to do
Jun 10 18:39:25 <Guest55907> how to post new topic in forum
Jun 10 18:40:18 <ianbeck> Guest55907: http://becki.sm/1U0a0d2p2p2E3p1I0Q1q
Jun 10 18:42:34 <Guest55907> ianbeck: nothing is happening upon clicking new post tab
Jun 10 18:42:48 <Guest55907> new topic*
Jun 10 18:44:14 <ianbeck> No idea why that would be; maybe try it in a different browser or in Safari or Firefox check the console for errors
Jun 10 18:44:17 <Nuttybunny> what browser you use?
Jun 10 18:44:41 <Guest55907> internet explorer
Jun 10 18:44:48 * cwayne shudders
Jun 10 18:44:51 <Guest55907> may be ill try it in opera
Jun 10 18:45:38 <Nuttybunny> internet exploder ;)
Jun 10 18:46:20 <Guest55907> lol:)
Jun 10 18:47:09 <Guest55907> its workng in opera
Jun 10 18:47:17 <Guest55907> explorer sucks
Jun 10 18:48:10 <Nuttybunny> you think? hehehe
Jun 10 18:48:49 <Guest55907> its too old also;)
Jun 10 18:51:18 <cwayne> Guest55907: if you're running ie6 i might throw up
Jun 10 18:53:31 * dwc- still has ie6
Jun 10 18:53:47 * dwc- just ignores the IE updates in windowsupdate
Jun 10 18:54:05 * PatrickC wanders in
Jun 10 18:54:55 <Nuttybunny> whoa! No andaba muerto, andaba de parranda!! :D  hehehe
Jun 10 18:55:05 <PatrickC> huh? haha
Jun 10 18:55:26 <Nuttybunny> which roughly translates to "he wasn't dead, he was partying" or something like that
Jun 10 18:55:55 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 10 18:56:12 <PatrickC> so.. what's been goin on?
Jun 10 18:56:20 <PatrickC> where's my touchpad?
Jun 10 18:56:33 <dwc-> since you weren't around, I took it
Jun 10 18:56:45 <PatrickC> :/
Jun 10 18:57:37 <Nuttybunny> yeah, since you were gone chuqui came in and gave TouchPads to all of us ;)
Jun 10 18:57:48 * PatrickC cried
Jun 10 18:58:00 <PatrickC> stupid no cell service :/
Jun 10 18:58:14 <chuqui> Nuttybunny:  shh
Jun 10 18:58:29 <chuqui> hey, back later. time for lunch.
Jun 10 18:58:33 <PatrickC> hey chuqui
Jun 10 18:58:37 <Nuttybunny> chuqui: oops.. sorry ... :D
Jun 10 18:58:37 <PatrickC> buy chuq lol
Jun 10 19:00:17 <cwayne> https://github.com/SFEley/candy/blob/master/LICENSE.markdown
Jun 10 19:01:08 <Nuttybunny> anyone know how to use a "formatter object" like g11n.NumberFmt ??? I don't get it
Jun 10 19:01:48 <cwayne> PatrickC: YOURE ALIVE
Jun 10 19:01:57 <ianbeck> Nuttybunny: Initialize with `new` first
Jun 10 19:04:20 <app> hey i am just trying to make an alarm clock app in sdk...how should i start?
Jun 10 19:04:54 <hotdp> mojo or enyo?
Jun 10 19:05:03 <app> mojo
Jun 10 19:05:19 <PatrickC> cwayne: hi to you too :)
Jun 10 19:05:32 <app> any reference from where i cud get an idea of UI
Jun 10 19:05:53 <PatrickC> hey sineot
Jun 10 19:07:58 * PatrickC feels its good to be back :)
Jun 10 19:08:15 <PatrickC> app: is it just an alarm clock app
Jun 10 19:08:19 <PatrickC> or does it do more?
Jun 10 19:08:50 <app>  just an alarm clock
Jun 10 19:09:25 <PatrickC> I would think take a look at the stock app included in the sdk
Jun 10 19:09:47 <app> previously i have made textboxes  related apps
Jun 10 19:10:14 <app> in my sdk kit?
Jun 10 19:10:38 <PatrickC> it should be there
Jun 10 19:10:52 <PatrickC> anyone know the path link? I'm not at the PC right now
Jun 10 19:10:54 <app> ok wl c
Jun 10 19:11:23 <app> ny reference from your side from which i cud get a brief idea abt it
Jun 10 19:12:26 <PatrickC> huh?
Jun 10 19:17:10 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 10 19:43:21 <haeffb> whew, made it to the weekend!
Jun 10 19:44:07 <hotdp> have a good one!
Jun 10 19:48:09 <hotdp> Tibfib_ therE?
Jun 10 19:49:20 <haeffb> hotdp: did you by chance have a beach-lying drink-sipping job to offer?
Jun 10 19:50:24 <hotdp> :O
Jun 10 19:50:38 <hotdp> If i had i would give it to you right away
Jun 10 19:52:14 <haeffb> nice. maybe you'll run across one soon... :)
Jun 10 19:54:06 <hotdp> i hope so!
Jun 10 19:56:46 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 10 20:01:29 <hotdp> morning rwhitby
Jun 10 20:08:27 * Nuttybunny prepares to hop around
Jun 10 20:10:50 <hotdp> why?
Jun 10 20:11:14 <Nuttybunny> because I almost have drag+scale+rotation :D
Jun 10 20:45:25 <sugardave> :/
Jun 10 20:52:31 <Nuttybunny> hey sugardave, what's with the big face?
Jun 10 20:53:51 <Nuttybunny> "Mustache" or "Moustache"??
Jun 10 20:56:32 <rwhitby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moustache
Jun 10 20:57:23 <rwhitby> "moustache is almost universal in British English while mustache predominates in American English, except for the third edition of Webster (1961), which gives moustache as the principal headword spelling. Later editions of Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (from the 1973 eighth edition) give mustache." - typical.
Jun 10 20:58:29 <Nuttybunny> mmm... well, in the end I plan on iconize the names :D  Thanks Rod
Jun 10 20:58:44 <sugardave> New Rome and all that
Jun 10 20:58:59 <rwhitby> two vowels in a row seems to be too much for US lexicographers ;)  colour, rumour, moustache, honour, aluminium, ...
Jun 10 21:01:06 <Nuttybunny> ah, yes, we call it "hueva", from eggs (huevos), laziness ...
Jun 10 21:02:44 <Nuttybunny> And of course, my gnome spell checker ignores moustache (it's set to en-us)
Jun 10 21:15:52 <sugardave> Nuttybunny: set it to Limey Brit, it will recognize it
Jun 10 21:16:23 <Nuttybunny> sugardave: Nah, I might as well call it "bigote", in spanish :P
Jun 10 21:16:37 <sugardave> in Aussie it's probably like "Lip Blanket" or something
Jun 10 21:16:56 <Nuttybunny> hehehe.. my gf in Katy Perry's body rocks ;)
Jun 10 21:25:12 <Nuttybunny> Ideas on how to get the date/time and format it as "yyyy-MM-dd-kk-mm-ss"?
Jun 10 21:27:44 <Nuttybunny> nevermind, I got it :D
Jun 10 21:40:15 <sugardave> Nuttybunny: you have to parse it out piece by piece...Mojo had some specialized date formatting functions
Jun 10 21:40:32 <sugardave> you can use .getDate(), .getHour(), etc.
Jun 10 21:41:17 <Nuttybunny> dateformatter=new enyo.g11n.DateFmt("yyyy-MM-dd-kk-mm-ss");		dateformatted=dateformatter.format(new Date());  :D
Jun 10 21:42:10 <SineOt> wait, yyyy-MM-dd-kk-mm-ss? what's the kk? :Q
Jun 10 21:42:14 <sugardave> week
Jun 10 21:42:58 <SineOt> what an odd date format! :Q
Jun 10 21:43:23 <SineOt> you'd have it overlap 23 points in the day
Jun 10 21:44:20 <sugardave> I'm guessing...I don't know what kk is :D
Jun 10 21:44:39 <sugardave> oh wait, it's in the hour spot
Jun 10 21:44:53 * sugardave stops talking now.
Jun 10 21:45:13 <rwhitby> oooh - enyo stuff
Jun 10 21:45:30 <sugardave> I did not do anything like that
Jun 10 21:45:32 <Nuttybunny> 24 hours, padded
Jun 10 21:45:50 * Nuttybunny looks at rwhitby , goes to the #enyo channel
Jun 10 21:48:52 <dohtem_> whats new pussycats?
Jun 10 21:49:05 <rwhitby> #enyo apparentl
Jun 10 21:49:06 <rwhitby> y
Jun 10 21:49:38 <rwhitby> oh, and the domain registration for webos-internals.org - it almost expired today :)
Jun 10 21:50:18 <dohtem_> heh
Jun 10 21:55:19 * haeffb wants to discuss (redacted) in here.
Jun 10 21:55:32 <haeffb> (note: redacted === enyo)
Jun 10 21:57:15 <haeffb> so, beginning next week, I have five days to apply for any position at my current or lower level. Along with everyone else in the organization at my level or lower. All jobs are open for competition.
Jun 10 21:57:32 <haeffb> I just wish I knew what I wanted to do when I grow up.
Jun 10 22:00:18 <sugardave> "eliminate" government waste, starting with your competitors?
Jun 10 22:02:01 <haeffb> code word is "attrition"
Jun 10 22:02:12 <haeffb> some people are being attrited
Jun 10 22:02:57 <sugardave> you should go for the MODOT webOS developer job
Jun 10 22:03:07 <dohtem_> MODOT?
Jun 10 22:03:19 <sugardave> Missouri DOT
Jun 10 22:03:34 <haeffb> MoDOT to be precise :)
Jun 10 22:03:40 <sugardave> oh, well :P
Jun 10 22:03:41 <dohtem_> ah
Jun 10 22:03:47 <haeffb> 1200 of 6400 are being attrited
Jun 10 22:03:51 <dohtem_> GPS tracking on mules?
Jun 10 22:03:53 <haeffb> over the next 1.75 years
Jun 10 22:03:55 <dohtem_> heh, I keed :)
Jun 10 22:03:58 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 10 22:03:59 <haeffb> starting yesterday
Jun 10 22:04:30 <sugardave> haeffb: sucks
Jun 10 22:04:43 <haeffb> no kidding. we haven't used mules for years.
Jun 10 22:05:09 <dohtem_> next you'll be telling me there's electricity there
Jun 10 22:05:28 <haeffb> yep! we ran a cord from Chicago!
Jun 10 22:05:37 <dohtem_> :)
Jun 10 22:08:17 <haeffb> the touchpad video is pretty cool.
Jun 10 22:12:44 <sugardave> EAP devs might want to check the forums
Jun 10 22:12:49 <Popple3> is there something extra you have to do with the iconPath that gets returned in filePicker? It doesn't want to work
Jun 10 22:13:59 <Loudergood> sugardave: ooh..right before I'm gone for the weekend for a wedding
Jun 10 22:14:07 <dohtem_> sugardave: or you can just tell us...
Jun 10 22:14:07 <sugardave> doh!
Jun 10 22:14:16 <sugardave> that's not fun for me
Jun 10 22:15:02 <Nuttybunny> Excellent. 0.10 = 1..0
Jun 10 22:15:32 <Nuttybunny> o_O
Jun 10 22:16:11 <DocLee> sugardave, You up for a demo in a few?
Jun 10 22:16:35 <DocLee> A beta demo
Jun 10 22:18:00 <haeffb> chuqui: ping
Jun 10 22:18:14 <haeffb> dang, he's probably busy
Jun 10 22:18:21 <sugardave> DocLee: sure, send it on when you're ready
Jun 10 22:21:42 <chuqui> hey, early access members. It mikght be a good time to go check the private forum. there might be stuff thereyou might be interested in. just sayin'
Jun 10 22:21:45 <chuqui> haeffb: pong
Jun 10 22:23:25 <Loudergood> chuqui: cupcakes?
Jun 10 22:24:37 <chuqui> no, but I do have some it's it's for later.
Jun 10 22:25:01 <haeffb> what's an it's it's?
Jun 10 22:25:03 <haeffb> and see pm
Jun 10 22:25:10 <sugardave> I was wondering the same...
Jun 10 22:26:57 <Nuttybunny> Bunnies!!
Jun 10 22:28:04 <Popple3> how does extractfs work exactly? I'm trying to use the iconPath returned from FilePicker, but it doesn't seem to want to work :(
Jun 10 22:29:19 <dohtem_> chuqui! awesomeness!
Jun 10 22:30:14 <chuqui> it's it's -- bad for my diet.
Jun 10 22:30:28 <chuqui> http://www.itsiticecream.com/
Jun 10 22:32:33 <Loudergood> yes it looks like it would be
Jun 10 22:35:46 <sugardave> DocLee: Nice :D
Jun 10 22:38:00 <DocLee> thanks
Jun 10 22:38:21 <DocLee> came a looooong way
Jun 10 22:38:25 <sugardave> it looks really good
Jun 10 22:42:08 <rwhitby> hmm - wouldn't that be "it's its" for the plural?
Jun 10 22:42:50 <Popple3> rwhitby: I believe you're right
Jun 10 22:43:36 <rwhitby> chuqui: has the paid 2.0 apps on official O2 Pre+ 2.1.0 app catalog problem been fixed ?
Jun 10 22:43:40 <Tibfib> hmm
Jun 10 22:43:47 <Tibfib> I wonder what we're talking about
Jun 10 22:43:56 <DocLee> rwhitby, No.  No money for you.
Jun 10 22:44:09 <Popple3> Tibfib: http://www.itsiticecream.com/
Jun 10 22:44:19 <rwhitby> DocLee: my app is compatible back to 1.1.0 ;)
Jun 10 22:45:03 <Tibfib> Popple3: hah, intereswting
Jun 10 22:50:32 <dohtem_> whoo! new office printer with HP ePrint.
Jun 10 22:52:34 <Tibfib> nice
Jun 10 22:53:02 <chuqui> rwhitby: no. it's still ongoing.
Jun 10 22:56:30 * haeffb wishing I'd bought the HP printer instead of the Samsung last summer
Jun 10 22:56:53 * PatrickC is wishing he won that iPad2 so he could have sold it
Jun 10 22:57:08 <DocLee> I wish the Ipad2 had flash
Jun 10 22:57:20 <Tibfib> I wish I had a million dollars
Jun 10 22:57:21 <haeffb> I hear the TouchPad will have flash... :)
Jun 10 22:57:32 <PatrickC> hey all
Jun 10 22:57:39 <haeffb> "If I had a million dollars..."
Jun 10 22:57:43 * PatrickC wishes he had a Sprint pre2
Jun 10 22:57:53 <haeffb> "...haven't you always wanted a monkey?"
Jun 10 22:58:06 <Popple3> printing from webOS will work on any recent HP printer shared over a network right?
Jun 10 22:58:29 <PatrickC> Popple3: e-print iirc
Jun 10 22:58:32 <dohtem_> over the internet, I think
Jun 10 22:58:39 <DocLee> I wish whoever thinks they own my email address, would quit trying to sign up with stuff with my email address...
Jun 10 22:59:09 <Popple3> DocLee: Ok :( Sorry...
Jun 10 22:59:11 <Popple3> :P
Jun 10 22:59:16 <PatrickC> DocLee: what are they signing up for?
Jun 10 22:59:36 <DocLee> They ordered some stuff from addacdchanger.co.uk
Jun 10 22:59:46 <haeffb> PatrickC: things that you aren't old enough to know about
Jun 10 22:59:55 <PatrickC> haeffb: :P
Jun 10 23:00:04 <DocLee> Specifically, 1 x BMW 3 and 5 Series, Compact MP3 Changer (PACK 1 - Alpine) (BMWMP-KIT1) = £229.76
Jun 10 23:00:15 <rwhitby> haeffb: things you are too old to remember
Jun 10 23:00:26 <dohtem_> The HP printer people should get packaging tips from the Palm people.  This thing is covered in clear film and blue table!
Jun 10 23:00:34 <dohtem_> tape*
Jun 10 23:00:35 <haeffb> that's most things these days...
Jun 10 23:01:24 <PatrickC> hey rwhitby
Jun 10 23:01:32 <Tibfib> hah.
Jun 10 23:01:53 * PatrickC hides from tibfib
Jun 10 23:02:05 <Tibfib> ?
Jun 10 23:02:21 <Popple3> dohtem_: Yeah, mine was the same, it took ages to take it all off
Jun 10 23:02:48 <Popple3> it was like "Oh sh- There's more?!"
Jun 10 23:02:51 <PatrickC> tibfib: its been a while :)
Jun 10 23:02:54 <dohtem_> heh
Jun 10 23:03:23 <Tibfib> yeah, been travelling
Jun 10 23:03:32 <PatrickC> same here
Jun 10 23:03:50 <haeffb> dohtem: make sure you look inside, they stick plastic and tape *everywhere*
Jun 10 23:04:19 <haeffb> in fact, it may be one of my old girlfriends in charge of their packaging
Jun 10 23:04:27 <PatrickC> dohtem_: yeah, I just put a printer together for my old youth pastor..
Jun 10 23:04:32 <PatrickC> it had tons of tape
Jun 10 23:05:18 <dohtem_> lol haeffb
Jun 10 23:05:44 <haeffb> no, don't laugh, that was just plain wrong
Jun 10 23:06:00 <haeffb> especially with PatrickC in the house
Jun 10 23:06:03 <dohtem_> on screen setup... no webOS yet
Jun 10 23:06:15 * PatrickC is confused lol
Jun 10 23:08:39 <Nuttybunny> DocLee: Why don't you send an email to addacdchanger.co.uk and change your shipping address? ;)
Jun 10 23:09:07 <Nuttybunny> bbl.. cya
Jun 10 23:09:12 <DocLee> Because it's most likely a relative.
Jun 10 23:09:21 <Nuttybunny> hehehe..
Jun 10 23:09:43 <sugardave> I printed to my 4 year old printer, no problem.  It found it automatically and was ready to go...no fuss no muss
Jun 10 23:10:29 <PatrickC> sugardave: how's palm?
Jun 10 23:10:35 <sugardave> good
Jun 10 23:10:46 <sugardave> they gave me a TouchPad, so I can't complain :D
Jun 10 23:10:51 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 10 23:10:59 <PatrickC> how bout a pre3? ;)
Jun 10 23:11:05 <sugardave> no Pre3 yet
Jun 10 23:11:28 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 10 23:11:39 <PatrickC> so the only release date I missed was the touchpad..
Jun 10 23:11:52 * PatrickC hasn't had internet for like 2 weeks
Jun 10 23:13:21 <sugardave> Tibfib: you're the 3rd person to add me with push access (2nd today!)
Jun 10 23:13:35 <Tibfib> oh, I added you?
Jun 10 23:13:40 <Tibfib> I accidentally forked a repo
Jun 10 23:13:43 <sugardave> that's what it said
Jun 10 23:13:43 <Tibfib> the repo
Jun 10 23:13:45 <sugardave> ahhhh
Jun 10 23:13:45 <Tibfib> then deleted it
Jun 10 23:13:50 <Tibfib> because I don't need a fork atm
Jun 10 23:13:52 <sugardave> I didn't read it
Jun 10 23:13:54 <Tibfib> didn't know it automagically added peeps
Jun 10 23:22:36 <dohtem_> arrgh! that's right, printers don't come with the necessary USB cables :(
Jun 10 23:23:21 <PatrickC> :/
Jun 10 23:23:25 <PatrickC> not a wifi printer?
Jun 10 23:24:13 <dohtem_> sadly, no
Jun 10 23:24:50 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 10 23:25:04 <PatrickC> oil: ping
Jun 10 23:25:35 <PatrickC> wirc bug
Jun 10 23:34:08 <dwc-> no such things
Jun 10 23:34:11 <dwc-> =]
Jun 10 23:34:51 <PatrickC> heh
Jun 10 23:35:19 <PatrickC> wirc never has any bugs :P
Jun 10 23:38:35 <PatrickC> cwayne!!
Jun 10 23:39:11 <cwayne> !!!
Jun 10 23:40:21 <PatrickC> what's goin on??
Jun 10 23:45:30 <PatrickC> weird... the wirc bug doesn't spit out any errors.. that I can see
Jun 10 23:46:35 <sugardave> is an errorless bug a bug at all?
Jun 10 23:46:49 <cwayne> PatrickC: gettin ready for the bruins game.. you?
Jun 10 23:46:50 <sugardave> how long is a piece of string?
Jun 10 23:46:55 <PatrickC> well.. when I click on the little arrow on the main screen..
Jun 10 23:46:59 <PatrickC> nothing happens
Jun 10 23:47:06 <PatrickC> cwayne: what? lol
Jun 10 23:47:21 <cwayne> hockey
Jun 10 23:47:34 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 10 23:47:43 <PatrickC> I'm watching TV
Jun 10 23:47:56 * PatrickC isn't a big hockey fan
Jun 11 00:01:49 <Tibfib> oh goodness
Jun 11 00:02:01 <Tibfib> developer price for touchpad... but will it be available on launch
Jun 11 00:02:03 <Tibfib> that is the question
Jun 11 00:03:47 * PatrickC wants one.... bad
Jun 11 00:04:56 <PatrickC> I'll only be able to get it if its under like $250... which probably won't happen
Jun 11 00:05:03 <Tibfib> yeah I want a touchpad bad too
Jun 11 00:05:25 <rwhitby> I'll take two.  One to use, and one to tear-down.
Jun 11 00:05:43 <PatrickC> rwhitby: only 2? :)
Jun 11 00:05:54 <rwhitby> PatrickC: to start with, yes.
Jun 11 00:06:01 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 11 00:09:49 <dohtem_> rwhitby: start a webos internals touchpad fund
Jun 11 00:10:21 <dohtem_> btw, will you wait till it gets to AU or have one shipped from the US?
Jun 11 00:11:00 <rwhitby> what do you think? ;)
Jun 11 00:11:07 <dohtem_> heh
Jun 11 00:11:14 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 11 00:15:38 <oil> PatrickC: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/wirc/issues you can submit things here
Jun 11 00:15:51 <PatrickC> oil: ok thanks
Jun 11 00:16:09 <PatrickC> wirc still not in the catalog?
Jun 11 00:16:51 <oil> no
Jun 11 00:17:43 <PatrickC> oil: what's that arrow suppose to do anyway?
Jun 11 00:17:53 <oil> did you tap it?
Jun 11 00:18:06 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 11 00:18:12 <PatrickC> and nothing happened
Jun 11 00:18:17 <oil> it should pop a menu
Jun 11 00:18:25 <PatrickC> it doesn't for me
Jun 11 00:18:30 <oil> of join channel/channel list/fav channels
Jun 11 00:18:42 <PatrickC> hmm..
Jun 11 00:18:44 <oil> does it throw an error?
Jun 11 00:18:54 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 11 00:19:01 <PatrickC> I didn't see one
Jun 11 00:19:06 <PatrickC> let me check again
Jun 11 00:19:59 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 11 00:20:05 <PatrickC> lumberjack shows no error
Jun 11 00:21:13 * oil doesnt know what could be wrong then
Jun 11 00:21:52 <PatrickC> I don't use the fav channels or anything anyway.. but it took the settings button away
Jun 11 00:22:26 <PatrickC> hmm.. wait a minute.. the app menu doesn't drop down on the main scene now..
Jun 11 00:46:17 <sugardave> using my awesome powers of reasoning, I have deduced that PatrickC's Pre is f-ed up
Jun 11 00:46:25 <sugardave> that's a shame
Jun 11 00:46:48 <PatrickC> the app menu works in the channel scenes.. just not the main scene
Jun 11 00:48:24 <sugardave> and no temperature sensing, when it used to....that's bad news
Jun 11 00:48:35 <Tommy> sugardave: hey buddy
Jun 11 00:48:40 <sugardave> something ripped your temperature sensor out...you should keep better track of your phone
Jun 11 00:48:49 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 11 00:48:50 <sugardave> time to set up the sprinkler....bbl
Jun 11 00:48:56 <Tommy> PatrickC: sup fella?
Jun 11 00:48:56 <PatrickC> cya
Jun 11 00:49:00 <PatrickC> hey Tommy
Jun 11 00:49:08 <PatrickC> got a pre yet? :)
Jun 11 00:49:18 <Tommy> PatrickC: i just sent out 2 touchstones and a pre back cover, i have 3 more touchstones and 3 more pre covers here :D
Jun 11 00:49:34 <Tommy> lololol the touchstone boxes are marked $49.99, i paid $4.97
Jun 11 00:49:38 <PatrickC> do you have a pre to use 'em with? lol
Jun 11 00:49:51 <Tommy> no silly, you pry the inductive coil out and put it in another phone
Jun 11 00:49:56 <Tommy> i have a nexus S i want to put inductive charging into
Jun 11 00:50:06 <rwhitby> Tommy: oh, has someone done that?
Jun 11 00:50:08 <Tommy> i just hope it doesn't mess up the NFC
Jun 11 00:50:17 <Tommy> rwhitby: yeah, i've seen it in the galaxy S and the evo
Jun 11 00:50:49 <Tommy> it's a bit of a project, you have to solder some wires to the contact points of the NFC coil, then solder them to the motherboard at the 2 power points
Jun 11 00:51:39 <PatrickC> or just buy a pre ;)
Jun 11 00:51:53 <Tommy> PatrickC: yeah, because a pre from a nexus S wouldn't be a step backwards or anything :P
Jun 11 00:52:16 <PatrickC> a Pre2 from a Nexus S would be a step up :)
Jun 11 00:52:24 <Tommy> haha only you think that
Jun 11 00:52:38 <PatrickC> hmm.. who else agrees?
Jun 11 00:52:46 <Tommy> all the webOS lovers
Jun 11 00:52:52 <PatrickC> see :)
Jun 11 00:52:55 <Tommy> (i'd hope so anyways)
Jun 11 00:53:09 <Tommy> i just got the nexus S to hold me over until the next nexus phone though
Jun 11 00:53:21 <Tommy> that'll be december, quad-core processor, your pre 3 won't touch it :o
Jun 11 00:53:22 <PatrickC> I would honestly have a nexus s with webos then a pre- with webos
Jun 11 00:54:10 <Tommy> yeah, because the Nexus S should be called the Sexus N, it's uber sexy
Jun 11 00:54:16 <PatrickC> or just about any other hardware that had webos on it...
Jun 11 00:54:32 <PatrickC> the pre- is so outdated...... :/
Jun 11 00:54:35 <Tommy> lol
Jun 11 00:54:43 <Tommy> even the pre+, its keyboard, wow
Jun 11 00:55:02 <Tommy> i don't see why HP insists on continuing the trend of terrible keyboards
Jun 11 00:55:30 <PatrickC> the pre2 has an awesome kb
Jun 11 00:55:40 <PatrickC> and the plus is a ton better then the minus
Jun 11 00:55:50 <Tommy> lol, i dont wanna touch a minus then
Jun 11 00:56:14 <Tommy> i had to enter that unlock code for the canuck in here i bought the pre plus for, and in 10 seconds of typing i can already say that keyboard would NEVER work for my fingers
Jun 11 00:57:02 <Tommy> hmm, 3.1 inch, 320x480, slideout keyboard... sounds like my ADP1
Jun 11 00:57:17 <Tommy> which is over 2 and a half years old, they grow up so fast *sniffsniff*
Jun 11 00:59:00 <PatrickC> pre-?
Jun 11 00:59:06 <Tommy> pre 2
Jun 11 00:59:53 <PatrickC> well.. the sizes are the same :) iirc
Jun 11 01:00:09 <Tommy> yeah
Jun 11 01:00:26 <Tommy> the way i feel about webOS hardware is the way i feel about blackberry hardware
Jun 11 01:00:44 <Tommy> the Torch is a decent phone, great slideout keyboard, decent screen, it was great for 3 years ago, but came out last year
Jun 11 01:00:53 <PatrickC> webos hardware is waaaaay better then blackberry hardware
Jun 11 01:01:01 <PatrickC> well.. pre2 is better then bberry hw
Jun 11 01:01:03 <Tommy> compare the pre to the Torch
Jun 11 01:01:09 <Tommy> yeah, pre2 has a 1ghz proc, 512mb ram
Jun 11 01:01:35 <PatrickC> the pre- is about equal to the Storm 1
Jun 11 01:01:39 <Tommy> but pre+ and torch came out around the same time i believe, torch was like, august 2010
Jun 11 01:01:59 <PatrickC> the plus came out before then iirc
Jun 11 01:02:03 <Tommy> and both have 600mhz processors, similar resolutions, slideout keboards (blackberry's is actually usable of course)
Jun 11 01:02:19 <Tommy> pre plus came out may 16, torch came out august 12
Jun 11 01:02:19 <PatrickC> I love my keyboard
Jun 11 01:02:28 <Tommy> so that's a 3 month difference, basically the same time
Jun 11 01:02:32 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 11 01:02:46 <PatrickC> hey cwayne1
Jun 11 01:02:50 <Tommy> very similar phones, and both are decent phones, i'd never say they're the worst you can buy
Jun 11 01:03:18 <Tommy> but the pre 3 is going to have WVGA, while android phones have had qHD since march and iPhone 4 has had better than qHD since last year
Jun 11 01:03:21 <PatrickC> I would buy a minus over a torch though
Jun 11 01:03:35 <Tommy> eh, i like the torch's hardware much more
Jun 11 01:03:55 <PatrickC> I do to.. kinda/sorta... but webos is sooooo much better
Jun 11 01:04:00 <Tommy> but the point is, iphone/android are keeping on the cutting edge, best hardware you can find, while webOS just kinda hangs back and comes out with decently quick phones
Jun 11 01:05:21 <Tommy> the pre 3 is coming out with what, 1.2, 1.4ghz single core chip right? like the samsung infuse has right now?
Jun 11 01:05:41 <PatrickC> 1.4GHz single core I believe
Jun 11 01:05:45 <Tommy> yeah
Jun 11 01:05:54 <Tommy> i think it's the same chip as the 1.2ghz in the infuse, both made by samsung
Jun 11 01:06:01 <Tommy> but it's just clocked higher
Jun 11 01:06:10 <PatrickC> the touchpad has a 1.2 Dual-core I think
Jun 11 01:06:22 <SineOt> yeah
Jun 11 01:06:31 <Tommy> i'd like to see HP, who does have a long history with making good hardware (albeit not always phones), make a top end, jaw dropping phone
Jun 11 01:06:46 <PatrickC> the Pre4 will be
Jun 11 01:06:50 * PatrickC hopes and prays
Jun 11 01:06:51 <Tommy> ....
Jun 11 01:06:55 <Tommy> the pre 4 will be like 2 years from now :P
Jun 11 01:07:03 <SineOt> I think it'd be dumb at this point to assume that the first batch of webOS devices would be on the furthest cutting edge
Jun 11 01:07:06 <PatrickC> next year.. it better be
Jun 11 01:07:14 <Tommy> in DECEMBER the next nexus phone is coming, and it'll have the quad core kal-el (tegra 3) nvidia chipset
Jun 11 01:07:22 <Tommy> SineOt: "first batch"?
Jun 11 01:07:32 <Tommy> was the pre-, pre+, pre2 or pre3 considered the "first batch"
Jun 11 01:07:41 <SineOt> I'd say it's a safe assumption to assume that HP's total role in the design and build of the Veer and Pre3 was still building heavily on what Palm had designed prior to the merger
Jun 11 01:07:42 <PatrickC> since HP acquired palm.. I think
Jun 11 01:07:43 <Tommy> or are you considering 3 years worth of phones the "first batch"
Jun 11 01:08:09 <SineOt> No, I'm saying the first round of devices out of HP owned Palm and not Palm by itself
Jun 11 01:08:33 <Tommy> eh, they bought palm in 2009 didn't they
Jun 11 01:08:39 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 11 01:08:41 <PatrickC> last year
Jun 11 01:08:45 <SineOt> The Veer got submitted to the FCC with all of Palm's names on it
Jun 11 01:08:53 <SineOt> Yeah, Palm's been owned for like under a year
Jun 11 01:08:54 <Tommy> oh right, much later than that, my bad
Jun 11 01:09:04 <Tommy> it's been like 12-14 months
Jun 11 01:09:14 <PatrickC> not even 12 months I think
Jun 11 01:09:26 <Tommy> *shrug* , whatev, the article i saw saying they purchased was april 28
Jun 11 01:09:34 <Tommy> doesnt matter if it's 10 or 14 honestly, same shit
Jun 11 01:09:39 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 11 01:09:53 <Tommy> but the longer the OS is around and not garnering interest, the more it becomes the windows mobile of the market
Jun 11 01:10:14 * PatrickC hopes not
Jun 11 01:10:17 <Tommy> and i don't want that, i like webOS, so give me something that makes me say "holy shit, i know i like android but this phone destroys anything i can get with android on it"
Jun 11 01:10:43 <Tommy> right now it's the opposite, by the time i ever get a chance to play with a pre 3, it'll feel like the last generation of android phones did
Jun 11 01:10:55 <SineOt> Bought in April, and cleared the SEC etc in August
Jun 11 01:11:23 <SineOt> So the actual time that HP and Palm have been together was since August of last year, not including time going "wtf" and shuffling departments and management swaps
Jun 11 01:11:23 <Tommy> mmk
Jun 11 01:11:38 <Tommy> SineOt: as i said, it really doesn't matter
Jun 11 01:11:47 <SineOt> but yeah, like I said, I think the Veer is if not entirely, was mostly done by Palm
Jun 11 01:11:53 <SineOt> on Palm sized budgets lol
Jun 11 01:11:58 <Tommy> if palm wanted to be successful with webOS they had to know they should have something for the higher end market
Jun 11 01:12:31 <SineOt> yeah, but bankruptcy looming 8 months ahead you want to make stuff that's quick to get to market and doesn't cost you too much
Jun 11 01:12:48 <Tommy> SineOt: that's where motorola was when they released the Droid
Jun 11 01:12:51 <SineOt> which is probably the biggest reason the Pre2 is basically just a CPU upgrade
Jun 11 01:12:51 <Tommy> how'd that work out for them?
Jun 11 01:13:02 <Tommy> motorola did it the smart way
Jun 11 01:13:05 <bpadalino> didn't motorola split off/sell their cellular division ?
Jun 11 01:13:14 <SineOt> they were going to
Jun 11 01:13:15 <Tommy> bpadalino: they split into 2, but didn't sell anything
Jun 11 01:13:26 <SineOt> but ended up holding on to it after the Droid release
Jun 11 01:13:41 <Tommy> but here's the difference, palm vs motorola
Jun 11 01:13:59 <Tommy> palm said okay, we have a great OS, let's get a bunch of decent phones out there to make people grab onto and use in their daily lives
Jun 11 01:14:13 <Tommy> motorola said okay, we have a great OS at our disposal, let's release the best phone on the market and wow people.
Jun 11 01:14:56 <Tommy> and they did, it was the only WVGA handset i can think of that was being sold in the US, was a little short on ram but the processor was quick, easily overclocked, got it on verizon's network, it sold like ice in hell
Jun 11 01:14:58 <bpadalino> vzw had a little help with the advertising/pushing of the phone too .. :(
Jun 11 01:14:59 <SineOt> keep in mind that Palm said okay, we just finished making a great OS entirely in house, and Motorola say okay, Google just handed us this OS :p
Jun 11 01:15:10 <Tommy> bpadalino: oh big time, verizon pushed the Droid haaaard.
Jun 11 01:15:24 <Tommy> SineOt: regardless, you need to put it on some good hardware or you end up in the toilet, as palm found out.
Jun 11 01:15:34 <bpadalino> it's difficult to sell a phone the carrier isn't into
Jun 11 01:15:55 <Tommy> 1) don't sell it exclusive on sprint if you're worried about that
Jun 11 01:16:13 <Tommy> 2) it's hard to be interested in a HVGA, 3.1" phone when you know that's not what your customers want :\
Jun 11 01:16:24 <Tommy> (the majority of your customers, don't mean that with offense, just saying it's a niche market)
Jun 11 01:17:55 <bpadalino> note: smartphone market is a niche market .. majority of phones are still feature/dumb
Jun 11 01:18:06 <Tommy> bpadalino: ummm, that's becoming less true every day.
Jun 11 01:18:31 <Tommy> bpadalino: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/consumer/smartphones-to-overtake-feature-phones-in-u-s-by-2011/
Jun 11 01:19:09 <SineOt> I don't know if almost 3 year old analyst projections are really still valid today
Jun 11 01:19:11 <Tommy> so i'd argue it's an up and coming market, certainly not niche.
Jun 11 01:19:18 <Tommy> SineOt: i'm looking for something more recent
Jun 11 01:19:26 <Tommy> also, "almost 3 year old"?
Jun 11 01:19:31 <Tommy> March 26, 2010.
Jun 11 01:19:36 <Tommy> that's a year and 2 months
Jun 11 01:19:49 <bpadalino> 14 months is forever ago ..
Jun 11 01:19:52 <bpadalino> didn't you just say that ?
Jun 11 01:20:05 <bpadalino> re: hp buying out palm?
Jun 11 01:20:10 <Tommy> bpadalino: http://gigaom.com/apple/verizon-boosts-iphone-smartphones-now-54-of-all-u-s-phone-sales/
Jun 11 01:20:17 <Tommy> "Smartphones overall had a strong quarter, though, as they represented a majority of all new U.S. mobile phone sales for the first time, with 54 percent of total purchases. "
Jun 11 01:20:20 <SineOt> The projection's last hard date was Q4 2009
Jun 11 01:20:26 <SineOt> so I rounded off 2 years!
Jun 11 01:20:28 <Tommy> SineOt: look at what i just posted.
Jun 11 01:20:33 <Tommy> how's that, it's a month old
Jun 11 01:20:44 <Tommy> Q1 2011, 54% of phones sold were smartphones
Jun 11 01:20:46 <Tommy> niche that.
Jun 11 01:21:01 <SineOt> 54% of sales isn't 54% of use though
Jun 11 01:21:05 <Tommy> oh my god
Jun 11 01:21:15 <Tommy> yeah because some people like my dad have a dumbphone he's had since 2004
Jun 11 01:21:22 <Tommy> regardless, are you calling it a NICHE MARKET?
Jun 11 01:21:35 <Tommy> market = who you're selling to, doesn't matter what's being used.... 54% of phones sold are smartphones
Jun 11 01:21:43 <Tommy> so it is the majority of the MARKET you're selling to. comprendes ingles?
Jun 11 01:22:59 <SineOt> there we go
Jun 11 01:23:13 <SineOt> Nielson, Feburary, US smartphone ownership among all phones is 34%
Jun 11 01:23:22 <SineOt> er actually, that's wrong
Jun 11 01:23:24 <Tommy> SineOt: did you read what i said about markets?
Jun 11 01:23:25 <SineOt> 31% XD
Jun 11 01:23:40 <Tommy> if i'm selling a product, i don't care what people are using now, i care how many of them want to buy what i'm selling
Jun 11 01:23:48 <Tommy> and 54% of people who are buying new phones buy smartphones
Jun 11 01:24:28 <Tommy> so bpadalino couldn't have been more wrong in calling it a niche market, it's the majority of the USA customer base
Jun 11 01:24:50 <SineOt> reading this it's kind of lol
Jun 11 01:24:55 <Tommy> brb
Jun 11 01:25:18 <SineOt> White smartphone ownership is 27% of the white phone ownership total
Jun 11 01:25:24 <bpadalino> Tommy: surprisingly enough, smartphones offered by vzw make up 40/63 of their offering
Jun 11 01:25:45 <bpadalino> so maybe the increased sales are really due to lack of choice?
Jun 11 01:25:59 <bpadalino> carriers love smart phones since they can charge more monthly for their use
Jun 11 01:26:11 <PatrickC> ^^ yeah
Jun 11 01:26:20 <bpadalino> not that people care about having a smart phone, but the alternatives just aren't there
Jun 11 01:26:48 <Tommy> bpadalino: so it's back to being a niche market at 40% of all phone sales?
Jun 11 01:26:48 <PatrickC> before I had a smartphone.. my "feature" phone was crap and didn't work at all
Jun 11 01:26:55 <Tommy> or can you finally admit and agree that it's not a niche market
Jun 11 01:27:18 <Tommy> that's the only reason i brought stats into it, i don't care about exact numbers, my point is it's not a niche market whatsoever, it's an enormous amount of people that buy these things
Jun 11 01:27:21 <PatrickC> I know many people who don't have a smartphone because they don't want to pay for daya
Jun 11 01:27:27 <SineOt> large screened dual core smart phones are the niche market though
Jun 11 01:27:30 <bpadalino> in the US it's a fast growing market, but i think it's still niche
Jun 11 01:27:33 <PatrickC> or they would have gotten one a long time ago
Jun 11 01:27:36 <cwayne1> anyone else watching the hockey game?
Jun 11 01:27:37 <Tommy> PatrickC: right, and that's what makes it even MORE amazing that more than half of the phones that sell are smartphones
Jun 11 01:27:42 <Tommy> that everything requires a data plan
Jun 11 01:27:46 <Tommy> cwayne1: ooh what channel?!
Jun 11 01:27:58 <bpadalino> i know a ton of people who switched to trac phones and still have their razr's ..
Jun 11 01:27:58 <cwayne1> Tommy: nbc
Jun 11 01:27:59 <Tommy> nvm found it, didnt know if they were playing tonight
Jun 11 01:28:02 <PatrickC> SineOt: yeah
Jun 11 01:28:04 <Tommy> go canada!
Jun 11 01:28:09 <cwayne1> Tommy: we're fighting
Jun 11 01:28:29 <Tommy> bpadalino: 54% is not niche, nor is 40%
Jun 11 01:28:49 <bpadalino> Tommy: we're entitled to our opinions
Jun 11 01:28:53 <Tommy> SineOt: dual core is only niche because there aren't many available (1 on AT&T, 1 tablet on verizon, 1 phone on t-mobile?)
Jun 11 01:29:09 <Tommy> but big-screen phones? Droid X, Evo, Infuse, Inspire, Mytouch 4G?
Jun 11 01:29:11 <Tommy> certainly not niche.
Jun 11 01:29:23 <SineOt> wasn't the whole reason this started was because of the Pre3 being a 1.4ghz single core
Jun 11 01:29:27 <PatrickC> how many people want a huge screen????
Jun 11 01:29:40 <Tommy> PatrickC: apparently a lot...
Jun 11 01:29:50 <PatrickC> I know MANY people who don't want an Evo cause they don't want a big screen
Jun 11 01:29:55 <bpadalino> the pre3 specs do seem somewhat "last generation"
Jun 11 01:29:59 <Tommy> i think 4" is the perfect size for a screen, i've used 3.7 and 4.3, the last 2 phones i've had were 4
Jun 11 01:30:08 <SineOt> how many buy it because there aren't any options that aren't big screened? XD
Jun 11 01:30:20 <PatrickC> SineOt: exactly! lol
Jun 11 01:30:33 <Tommy> SineOt: unfortunately, that may be the case, if i was buying an AT&T phone now it'd be the 4.5" infuse just because the atrix bootloader is locked down
Jun 11 01:31:32 <Tommy> also, super amoled plus <333
Jun 11 01:32:15 <Tommy> bpadalino: that's how the whole conversation started, last gen specs on a new phone, that's why you won't pick up tons of users for a new webOS phone
Jun 11 01:32:39 <bpadalino> Tommy: there are a ton of last gen spec phones still being sold tho ..
Jun 11 01:32:47 <bpadalino> lots of people are still buying iphone4's
Jun 11 01:32:51 <SineOt> but yeah, anyways my (drunken) thoughts on the matter: the Veer especially and probably the Pre3 as well were more than likely designed largely by Palm who was operating under the Palm mindshare of cheap fast oh shit we're bankrupt in a few months mindset of doing a cpu upgrade and calling it the Pre2 type stuff and not a more HP lined budget eased mindset that I'm sure the next revision that's conceived,
Jun 11 01:32:51 <SineOt>  designed, and built by the new HP Palm team from start to finish will be the ones to look for being on the "cutting edge"
Jun 11 01:32:54 <Tommy> bpadalino: right, but they're not trying to kickstart an OS
Jun 11 01:33:08 <Tommy> iOS is very stable and has a gigantic userbase, same with Android, HP can't compare themselves to that
Jun 11 01:33:17 <bpadalino> Tommy: the webos experience is unmatched
Jun 11 01:33:18 <Tommy> they have to come out with something to draw users in, android/iOS only need to keep users from leaving
Jun 11 01:33:27 <bpadalino> in usability and frustration
Jun 11 01:33:32 <Tommy> bpadalino: i love the multitasking, but the lack of developer support is lame to me
Jun 11 01:33:55 <bpadalino> it's a chicken and egg problem, is it not ?
Jun 11 01:34:02 <Tommy> i have slingplayer on my phone, how's your webOS slingplayer? it isn't... netflix, watchESPN, HBO Go, i don't know which of those are avialble for webOS either
Jun 11 01:34:12 <Tommy> bpadalino: yes, but it all starts with sick hardware.
Jun 11 01:34:22 <bpadalino> or does it start with an awesome OS ?
Jun 11 01:34:23 <Tommy> the motorola droid was the giant kickstart that got android going
Jun 11 01:34:34 <Tommy> bpadalino: well, apparently it doesn't, because palm is down the toilet with an awesome OS
Jun 11 01:34:38 <bpadalino> or does it start with developer buyin ?
Jun 11 01:35:39 <Tommy> bpadalino: watch this video, and look at when the droid releases, how much that changed the size of the android userbase
Jun 11 01:35:40 <bpadalino> symbian had a huge user base
Jun 11 01:35:44 <Tommy> and more users = more developers wanting money
Jun 11 01:35:46 <Tommy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fqFpq9WXbJo
Jun 11 01:36:09 <PatrickC> symbian was big?
Jun 11 01:36:19 <bpadalino> symbian is a monster in terms of user base
Jun 11 01:36:27 <Tommy> look at the whole US light up
Jun 11 01:36:56 * PatrickC never heard of symbian till he started hacking/developing
Jun 11 01:36:57 <SineOt> Symbian is huge, it just sucks really bad so no one really cares
Jun 11 01:37:05 <Tommy> yeah symbian's done
Jun 11 01:37:48 <bpadalino> Tommy: the people who bought the original droid were people looking to get an iphone on vzw's network .. don't you agree ?
Jun 11 01:37:59 <Tommy> not at all
Jun 11 01:38:02 <bpadalino> wow
Jun 11 01:38:07 * oil does
Jun 11 01:38:14 <Tommy> some of them, sure, but if that was the case wouldn't you see iOS' market share go way up when the vzw iphone came out?
Jun 11 01:38:29 <Tommy> but it didn't, android continues to gain ground on iPhone in market share
Jun 11 01:38:58 <PatrickC> that's because android is on tonz of phones
Jun 11 01:39:01 <PatrickC> iOS is on 4
Jun 11 01:39:09 <Tommy> PatrickC: regardless, he just said the people who bought the droid wanted an iphone on verizon
Jun 11 01:39:11 <bpadalino> Tommy: will android growth stagnate as those who bought their droids and are still on contract switch to iphones when they get the chance ?
Jun 11 01:39:15 <Tommy> if they want an iphone on verizon, they can now get one.
Jun 11 01:39:32 <Tommy> bpadalino: coincidentally enough, the iphone 4 came out right about when they'd be up for an upgrade
Jun 11 01:39:38 <PatrickC> bpalidino has a point
Jun 11 01:39:40 <Tommy> verizon gives you an upgrade 6 months before your contract ends
Jun 11 01:39:50 <Tommy> Droid came out Nov 6, 2009
Jun 11 01:39:59 <Tommy> do the math, that's May 2011
Jun 11 01:40:08 <Tommy> iphone 4 came out when, february/march 2011?
Jun 11 01:40:25 <PatrickC> maybe they came to like the hw keyboard and went to the droid2
Jun 11 01:40:37 <Tommy> *shrug*, maybe they just like android more than iphone?
Jun 11 01:40:46 <Tommy> the Droid X has sold like crazy, Droid 2 not as much
Jun 11 01:41:06 <Tommy> Droid Incredible had some sales numbers that lived up to its name, Evo set all sorts of sprint release day records
Jun 11 01:41:17 <Tommy> ...people just buy android phones, no matter what network or hardware
Jun 11 01:41:40 <PatrickC> I would never buy a droid phone...
Jun 11 01:41:41 <bpadalino> Tommy: and you think it's because they want to, or like it .. or is it marketing ?
Jun 11 01:41:51 <Tommy> PatrickC: that's fine, they get 300,000 activations a day, they won't miss ya :P
Jun 11 01:42:04 <PatrickC> I would go iphone or blackberry over droid
Jun 11 01:42:15 <Tommy> bpadalino: we just talked about people who have used the phone for the last 18 months and are upgrading, i don't think marketing is going to convince them their phone is better than it is
Jun 11 01:42:35 <bpadalino> Tommy: you just said people just buy android phones no matter what ..
Jun 11 01:42:40 <Tommy> yeah
Jun 11 01:42:41 <bpadalino> and i am posing the question as to why
Jun 11 01:42:47 <Tommy> bpadalino: because it's a good OS?
Jun 11 01:42:47 <PatrickC> and the reason? their app store... I don't like the fact that it can have viruses uploaded to it
Jun 11 01:43:11 <Tommy> PatrickC: they remove any malicious apps, they just don't review them before posting
Jun 11 01:43:14 <bpadalino> Tommy: sounds like conjecture?
Jun 11 01:43:22 <bpadalino> and speculation?
Jun 11 01:43:23 <Tommy> bpadalino: isn't that what we're doing here?
Jun 11 01:43:32 <Tommy> you said "is it because of marketing", what is that if not conjecture?
Jun 11 01:43:34 <PatrickC> Tommy: my point exactly.. I can get the virus before its removed
Jun 11 01:43:47 <Tommy> PatrickC: well, i never have, i'm not too worried.
Jun 11 01:44:04 <Tommy> usually you just make sure you're not THE FIRST PERSON to install an app off of android market :P
Jun 11 01:44:05 <PatrickC> I'm not either.. but I don't want to take a chance
Jun 11 01:44:10 <Tommy> most apps i get i hear about via word of mouth
Jun 11 01:44:21 <PatrickC> I think google doesn't care about android...
Jun 11 01:44:25 <Tommy> PatrickC: if it makes you feel better, i have an application on my phone that scans every app as it installs to detect if it's malicious
Jun 11 01:44:32 <Tommy> lmfao, "google doesn't care about android"
Jun 11 01:44:37 <Tommy> do you have any idea how much money android makes google?
Jun 11 01:45:02 <PatrickC> I know that android makes google tons
Jun 11 01:45:09 <PatrickC> and that's why they bought them imo
Jun 11 01:45:09 <Tommy> yeah, so why would you say they don't care
Jun 11 01:45:11 <Tommy> they don't like money?
Jun 11 01:45:18 <PatrickC> for money.. not to help them
Jun 11 01:45:20 <Tommy> yes, of course that's why they bought android
Jun 11 01:45:23 <Tommy> to help who?
Jun 11 01:45:36 <PatrickC> android
Jun 11 01:45:38 <Tommy> you think HP bought Palm out of the goodness of their hearts? grow up, get real.
Jun 11 01:45:47 <Tommy> they bought webOS because they saw potential for money, welcome to business
Jun 11 01:45:57 <PatrickC> they don't care enough to take 1 hr and scan apps to make sure their safe
Jun 11 01:46:08 <Tommy> ...1 hour? per app?
Jun 11 01:46:17 <PatrickC> ok.. a few hrs
Jun 11 01:46:29 <Tommy> do you realize how much they'd be investing, in pure resources, to do that?
Jun 11 01:46:45 <Tommy> i guess you think windows should scan all applications too, right? scan everything on the internet
Jun 11 01:46:54 <Tommy> or are you a mac user who thinks mac viruses don't exist?
Jun 11 01:47:17 <PatrickC> there is virus protection for windows and mac
Jun 11 01:47:20 <Tommy> you treat android the same way you treat your computer, use some common sense.
Jun 11 01:47:24 <Tommy> PatrickC: and there's virus protection for android
Jun 11 01:47:32 <PatrickC> really?
Jun 11 01:47:35 <Tommy> i just told you no more than 3 minutes ago i have an application that scans every app i install for malicious intents
Jun 11 01:47:47 <Tommy> "<Tommy> PatrickC: if it makes you feel better, i have an application on my phone that scans every app as it installs to detect if it's malicious"
Jun 11 01:47:59 <PatrickC> does it fix it if something happens?
Jun 11 01:48:03 <Tommy> it's called lookout mobile security, it also tracks your phone if you lose it etcetc
Jun 11 01:48:16 <Tommy> PatrickC: it prevents the app from installing and removes the apk
Jun 11 01:48:21 <Tommy> just like any good antivirus on windows
Jun 11 01:48:43 <cwayne1> PatrickC: android made 0 money before google bought it
Jun 11 01:48:55 <Tommy> cwayne1: lolol did you see the old prototypes of android?
Jun 11 01:49:09 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Well, windows has virus because its security design sucks. You're saying the same about android
Jun 11 01:49:11 <cwayne1> Tommy: not good.
Jun 11 01:49:35 <Tommy> cwayne1: PatrickC this is where android was, even after google bought it and was working on it: http://www.techchee.com/img/google-android-prototype-181207.jpg
Jun 11 01:49:44 <Tommy> if you think it had a chance to compete with iphone at that point, raise your hand.
Jun 11 01:49:54 * cwayne1 raises 0 hands
Jun 11 01:49:56 <Tommy> NuttyBunny_Pre2: i'm not saying that at all, he's worried about viruses
Jun 11 01:50:06 <Tommy> i'm not worried about any malware on my phone, i use common sense
Jun 11 01:51:28 <Tommy> the only reason i have lookout is because it can locate your phone if it's stolen or lost, set off a siren so you can find it, etc
Jun 11 01:53:57 <cwayne1> lolololol
Jun 11 01:54:16 <SineOt> oh man yeah Find My Mac is coming with Lion, that's pretty awesome
Jun 11 01:54:26 <Tommy> o.o
Jun 11 01:55:15 <Tommy> cwayne1: 12 goals against luongo in the last 2 games and now nobody's scorin
Jun 11 01:55:26 <SineOt> Tommy: it's Find my iPhone but for desktop/laptops instead
Jun 11 01:55:32 <Tommy> SineOt: interesting.
Jun 11 01:55:50 <cwayne1> Tommy: i know right? maybe playin at home refreshed him
Jun 11 01:56:06 <Tommy> yeah, now all he needs is his team to score
Jun 11 01:56:13 <SineOt> yeah. Adds a "guest" account that runs only Safari to try to get people who aren't paying attention to connect it to the internet :Q
Jun 11 01:56:16 <cwayne1> Tommy: fuck that
Jun 11 01:56:18 <SineOt> but also adds remote locking and remote wipe
Jun 11 01:56:20 <cwayne1> b's all the way
Jun 11 01:56:26 <Tommy> ....lololol
Jun 11 01:56:34 <Tommy> you from trashachusetts or something?
Jun 11 01:56:40 <Tommy> (sorry, i had to come up with some name to show my disdain for it)
Jun 11 01:56:44 <Tommy> filthadelphia is better
Jun 11 01:56:51 <cwayne1> Tommy: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA but yes
Jun 11 01:57:04 <cwayne1> Tommy: and more accurate
Jun 11 01:57:06 <Tommy> i lived in MA for 14 years, i used to watch roberto luongo play for the lowell lock monsters :)
Jun 11 01:57:15 <Tommy> awwww yeahhhh
Jun 11 01:57:22 <cwayne1> Tommy: haha yeahhh
Jun 11 01:57:52 <Tommy> originally from and now back in NYC though, so obviously MA wasn't for me
Jun 11 01:57:59 <cwayne1> Tommy: live in lowell?
Jun 11 01:58:04 <Tommy> my mom lives near there
Jun 11 01:58:08 <cwayne1> Tommy: yeah, its not for a lot of people :)
Jun 11 01:58:15 <Tommy> like those with common sense :o
Jun 11 01:58:16 <Tommy> ohhhh SNAP
Jun 11 01:58:26 <Tommy> cwayne1: what network are you on?
Jun 11 01:59:11 <cwayne1> Tommy: sprint
Jun 11 01:59:21 <Tommy> i see
Jun 11 01:59:29 <cwayne1> Tommy: yeah, about as cool as aids
Jun 11 01:59:31 <Tommy> wait, is the pre 2 on sprint?
Jun 11 01:59:40 <Tommy> or are you on a pre-? :|
Jun 11 01:59:47 <dawm_> lol..
Jun 11 02:00:08 <Tommy> dawm_: don't you lol at me
Jun 11 02:00:11 <cwayne1> Tommy: frankenpre
Jun 11 02:00:12 <dawm_> im not
Jun 11 02:00:18 <Tommy> hahaha frankenpre
Jun 11 02:00:33 <dawm_> this site approved a picture of my car, but they wouldnt approve a photo of me in sunglasses.. said it would confuse members..
Jun 11 02:00:52 <cwayne1> dawm_: lolwut
Jun 11 02:00:59 <cwayne1> Tommy: whats wrong with a frankenpre
Jun 11 02:01:10 <dawm_> what a fail of a 'dating' site
Jun 11 02:01:15 <Tommy> cwayne1: eh, it's just, not very impressive
Jun 11 02:01:30 <cwayne1> Tommy: im not trying to impress anyone, i just wanted webos again :)
Jun 11 02:01:42 <Tommy> i see
Jun 11 02:01:50 <Tommy> i'd consider grabbing a pixi plus off of amazon
Jun 11 02:01:54 <Tommy> $50 off contract, brand new
Jun 11 02:02:14 <Tommy> it's for verizon, and i don't use verizon, but shit, it's a $50 webOS fuckaround phone... maybe i'll run it over with a skateboard and put it on youtube from my nexus S
Jun 11 02:02:15 <Tommy> :)
Jun 11 02:02:45 <Tommy> you can't find a used G1 for $50 these days, and the pixi plus sells for $50 new
Jun 11 02:03:14 <cwayne1> Tommy: heh, my pre2 was free
Jun 11 02:03:25 <Tommy> cwayne1: on contract i assume
Jun 11 02:03:39 <cwayne1> Tommy: nope, qualified for a free dev device
Jun 11 02:03:44 <Tommy> ah, i see
Jun 11 02:04:05 <Tommy> i got a free motorola droid at an android dev conference in NY a year or two back, sold it on ebay for $410
Jun 11 02:04:17 <Tommy> i dont want a friggin droid, already had a nexus one :S
Jun 11 02:04:27 <cwayne1> Tommy: hahah id do the same
Jun 11 02:07:12 <Tommy> cwayne1: what's your biggest beef with android
Jun 11 02:07:26 <oil> NOT WEBOS
Jun 11 02:07:37 <Tommy> oil: hahaha i like you
Jun 11 02:07:46 <cwayne1> Tommy: i didnt like the task switching/multitasking overall
Jun 11 02:08:43 <PatrickC> dkirker: what's up?
Jun 11 02:08:46 <oil> everytime i use android, it feels janky, unfinished, and unpolished
Jun 11 02:09:04 <Tommy> oil: what phones have you used?
Jun 11 02:09:17 <oil> all sorts
Jun 11 02:09:36 <PatrickC> dawm_: how's Ailium?
Jun 11 02:09:37 <oil> everytime someone at work gets a new phone i have to setup email on it/etc
Jun 11 02:09:42 <Tommy> cwayne1: yeah, i was just in here a while ago talking about how if someone came up with a cards interface that didn't suck it'd make tons of money on android market
Jun 11 02:09:48 <Tommy> oil: and what's "unpolished" about it?
Jun 11 02:09:58 <dawm_> havent had much time to even dink with it, been crazy with work, and next week im on vacation
Jun 11 02:10:05 <oil> )i can't point out anything specifically, thats just how i felt when using it
Jun 11 02:10:05 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 11 02:10:11 <dawm_> its not forgotten tho ;p
Jun 11 02:10:17 <PatrickC> how far did you get on it? lol
Jun 11 02:10:18 <Tommy> meh
Jun 11 02:10:18 <oil> not to mention i try to backgesture on any phone put in my hand
Jun 11 02:10:24 <Tommy> lol
Jun 11 02:10:27 <PatrickC> oil: same here lol
Jun 11 02:10:27 <dawm_> i had to fix mycokerewards and swap&drop most recently
Jun 11 02:10:40 <Tommy> see that's what bugs me about when people say they don't like android, nobody can even give a solid, tangible reason
Jun 11 02:10:43 <Tommy> it's just "i don't like the feel"
Jun 11 02:10:45 <oil> its like every ios device has a top-left back button
Jun 11 02:10:48 <oil> its like, all far away
Jun 11 02:10:55 <oil> ios app*
Jun 11 02:11:00 <dawm_> it still needs score ui, need to add the bomb/lazer, add more sound, and do the different game screens
Jun 11 02:11:19 <oil> Tommy: feel is very important
Jun 11 02:11:20 <dawm_> it also has a random ass bug where it removes a tile from the left side of the screen for unknown reasons
Jun 11 02:11:28 <Tommy> oil: right, and i like the feel of my phone
Jun 11 02:11:31 <PatrickC> Tommy: I agree with oil, it feels unfinished
Jun 11 02:11:32 <dawm_> and its crashed a few times on me as well
Jun 11 02:11:40 <Tommy> mind you, my phone is far from a piece of junk with motoblur that you'd be setting up email on, oil
Jun 11 02:11:43 <oil> yeah, everyones taste is different
Jun 11 02:11:47 <Tommy> PatrickC: you're 15 and a webOS fanboy, you don't count :P
Jun 11 02:11:50 <oil> everyone feels differently about different things
Jun 11 02:12:06 <cwayne1> Tommy: lolol
Jun 11 02:12:07 <PatrickC> I didn't like android when it came out
Jun 11 02:12:15 <PatrickC> the only other Os I likes was iOS
Jun 11 02:12:30 <Tommy> well when it came out, the ONLY appeal to it was the fact that it was open source and had google backing it
Jun 11 02:12:38 <Tommy> also, the homescreen/widget setup is very convenient for me
Jun 11 02:12:41 <oil> "opensourceish"
Jun 11 02:12:45 <Tommy> i hate hate hate just random lists of apps
Jun 11 02:12:48 <Tommy> oil: open source.
Jun 11 02:12:51 <oil> ish
Jun 11 02:12:57 <Tommy> ....what's not open about it
Jun 11 02:13:08 <cwayne1> 3.0 isnt open
Jun 11 02:13:11 <oil> some of hte google apps
Jun 11 02:13:22 <Tommy> cwayne1: yeah, because it's a hack, 3.1 is the true "honeycomb" and that will be
Jun 11 02:13:28 <Tommy> oil: that's not android, that's an app.
Jun 11 02:13:33 <oil> its part of android
Jun 11 02:13:36 <Tommy> android is an operating system, gmail is an app, see the difference?
Jun 11 02:13:42 <Tommy> AU CONTRAIRE, it is NOT part of android
Jun 11 02:13:49 <oil> whats android without gmail app?
Jun 11 02:13:51 <Tommy> manufacturers can choose to put android market on their phones, or they can forgo that option
Jun 11 02:13:51 <oil> brb
Jun 11 02:14:01 <Tommy> manufacturers choose to include it because it's convenient for them
Jun 11 02:14:36 <Tommy> if i wanted, i could, in 10 minutes, have my phone running with the only source of apps being Amazon Appstore and the only source of email being a generic email application, i could grab my own maps application, Bing Maps perhaps...
Jun 11 02:14:43 <haeffb> Tommy, your phone sucks
Jun 11 02:14:50 <Tommy> haeffb: trololololo
Jun 11 02:15:13 <haeffb> whatever it is
Jun 11 02:15:47 <Tommy> how's that 3.1" screen, haeffb? you like playing games and watching movies on it?
Jun 11 02:15:50 <Tommy> sounds pretty awesome.
Jun 11 02:16:47 <haeffb> I don't play games, and my movies are on a 42" LCD
Jun 11 02:16:53 <Tommy> lol, k
Jun 11 02:16:57 <Tommy> so you use your phone for text messages
Jun 11 02:17:02 <Tommy> with that teeny tiny keyboard
Jun 11 02:18:04 <haeffb> text, email, irc, twitter mainly
Jun 11 02:18:09 <haeffb> oh, and, like, calling people
Jun 11 02:18:24 <haeffb> calendar, task list
Jun 11 02:19:20 <Tommy> holy jesus, IRC on that keyboard
Jun 11 02:19:22 <Tommy> i might hang myself at that point
Jun 11 02:20:13 <haeffb> I try to limit myself t pithy comments
Jun 11 02:20:24 <haeffb> witty and insightful in 100 characters or less
Jun 11 02:20:29 <Tommy> lol
Jun 11 02:20:41 <Tommy> well, at least you're in 100 characters or less, kudos for trying
Jun 11 02:20:51 <oil> not to mention wIRC is the best mobile irc app :)
Jun 11 02:21:06 <Tommy> yeah, because i'm sure you've used Android IRC :P
Jun 11 02:21:23 <oil> tell me whats better about android irc?
Jun 11 02:21:36 <DocLee> Everything...
Jun 11 02:21:37 <oil> its got dcc chat/file support?
Jun 11 02:21:43 * DocLee throws gas on the fire
Jun 11 02:21:44 <Tommy> oil: i've never used wIRC
Jun 11 02:21:51 <Tommy> lol doc
Jun 11 02:22:09 <Tommy> i wouldn't make claims about Android IRC being better than wIRC, i'm just saying the reverse should also be true
Jun 11 02:22:26 * oil makes the clames, doesn't care
Jun 11 02:22:28 <Tommy> this is me on my phone
Jun 11 02:22:32 <Tommy> this is me on my computer
Jun 11 02:22:47 <Tommy> huzzah
Jun 11 02:22:56 <cwayne1> Tommy: FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Jun 11 02:23:00 <oil> yeah, wirc can connect to bouncers/proxys too
Jun 11 02:23:01 <Tommy> lol
Jun 11 02:23:05 <Tommy> of course
Jun 11 02:23:13 <Tommy> a bouncer is no different than any other IRC server
Jun 11 02:24:49 <DocLee> Needs smiley faces.  Everything needs smiley faces.  Why don't you put in smiley faces?
Jun 11 02:24:57 <oil> :(
Jun 11 02:25:00 <Tommy> =)
Jun 11 02:25:50 <Tommy> oil: i think the most important thing to me about my phone is that it's customizable, and that's where webOS fails me
Jun 11 02:26:29 <Tommy> i have 5 homescreens full of widgets, applications, etc to make things faster than opening an application from a giant list
Jun 11 02:26:37 <oil> widgets, meh
Jun 11 02:26:57 <Tommy> yeah, opening apps is better to do everything
Jun 11 02:27:25 <Tommy> who wants to be able to see fb/twitter updates without opening an app, that'd be dumb
Jun 11 02:27:39 <oil> like just type
Jun 11 02:27:41 <oil> works pretty good
Jun 11 02:27:43 <oil> not ugly
Jun 11 02:27:57 <Tommy> like just type?
Jun 11 02:28:06 <oil> its getting really pretty boring talking to you
Jun 11 02:28:25 <Tommy> lol, really pretty boring
Jun 11 02:28:33 <oil> yeah
Jun 11 02:28:34 <Tommy> yeah, universal search, wow that's a new feature
Jun 11 02:28:39 <DocLee> Then get to putting smiley faces in wIRC!
Jun 11 02:29:00 <Tommy> definitely more convenient to slide out a keyboard and type an application name, then open it, then check your facebook feed and post a new status
Jun 11 02:29:23 <oil> its just, everything you say, i know its coming
Jun 11 02:29:29 <oil> you like android, i like webos
Jun 11 02:29:37 <oil> discussion need not go further
Jun 11 02:29:52 <oil> next topic
Jun 11 02:30:00 <Tommy> lol
Jun 11 02:30:05 <Tommy> you're just butthurt, that's all.
Jun 11 02:30:27 <oil> like i said, predictable, and very boring
Jun 11 02:30:43 <Tommy> am i here to entertain? methinks not
Jun 11 02:31:03 <haeffb> then what?
Jun 11 02:31:18 <DocLee> Do I not entertain you?!
Jun 11 02:31:37 <Tommy> ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!
Jun 11 02:33:19 <oil> its like you're trying to sell us android, but you walked into the wrong hotel meeting room
Jun 11 02:33:23 <DocLee> About to break out the champagne on Monday
Jun 11 02:33:38 <oil> what happens monday?
Jun 11 02:33:53 <DocLee> About to secure a $1 million donation
Jun 11 02:33:56 <Tommy> i'm not trying to sell anyone on anything, i just think it's amusing when you use a phone with a 1.3% market share and do nothing but bash android :S
Jun 11 02:34:01 <oil> oh shit, for what?
Jun 11 02:34:01 <haeffb> a giant champagne drunk, apparently
Jun 11 02:34:05 <Tommy> DocLee: awesome, to what?
Jun 11 02:34:15 <oil> when you're not here, the discussion never goes android
Jun 11 02:34:17 <DocLee> For my research
Jun 11 02:34:21 <oil> ever
Jun 11 02:34:29 <oil> you are the one who brings it there
Jun 11 02:34:30 <Tommy> oil: as soon as i come here it goes android, because people knows i uses it
Jun 11 02:34:31 <haeffb> DocLee: fantastic
Jun 11 02:34:36 <oil> aka troll
Jun 11 02:34:40 <Tommy> DocLee: what kinda research if you don't mind me asking?
Jun 11 02:34:51 <DocLee> Cancer therapeutics
Jun 11 02:35:13 <Tommy> DocLee: ohhhh snap. specifics?
Jun 11 02:35:20 <DocLee> No sir
Jun 11 02:35:26 <Tommy> nothing more specific than that?
Jun 11 02:35:32 <oil> lol
Jun 11 02:35:41 <Tommy> are we talking pharmacology, radiation, what?
Jun 11 02:35:55 <DocLee> I can't discuss specifics.  It's all patented and we're moving forward with a company
Jun 11 02:35:58 <Tommy> oil: i'm a biochem/premed major, don't lol at me, i love this shit
Jun 11 02:36:07 <haeffb> man, my mother-in-law has hosed this Win7 machine
Jun 11 02:36:09 <Tommy> DocLee: well i didn't mean gimme all of your secrets :P
Jun 11 02:36:23 <oil> haeffb: pornado?
Jun 11 02:36:27 <DocLee> Have you ever heard of The Scripps Research Institute?
Jun 11 02:36:42 <Tommy> sure
Jun 11 02:36:51 <DocLee> Yeah.  I work there.
Jun 11 02:36:56 <Tommy> :o
Jun 11 02:37:08 <oil> thats why its not just Lee, its DocLee xD
Jun 11 02:37:13 <Tommy> DocLee: if the name's true, MD or PhD? don't be insulted haha :P
Jun 11 02:37:19 <DocLee> MD/PhD
Jun 11 02:37:25 <Tommy> awesome
Jun 11 02:37:47 <Tommy> i'd love to get into an MD/PhD program but i certainly don't have the resume for it
Jun 11 02:38:06 <Tommy> it'll be hard enough getting into med school
Jun 11 02:38:22 <DocLee> Bad for you...
Jun 11 02:38:38 <Tommy> *shrug*, c'est la vie
Jun 11 02:38:46 <Tommy> life is hard, i'll figure it out
Jun 11 02:39:03 <haeffb> oil: not on the m-i-l account.
Jun 11 02:39:11 <oil> lol
Jun 11 02:39:25 <oil> just dont look at the history or in the cache xD
Jun 11 02:39:38 <DocLee> I worked the room at an investors meeting last night
Jun 11 02:39:52 <DocLee> Came away with a bunch of cards.  Two investors emailed me this evening.
Jun 11 02:40:10 <DocLee> I asked for a mil.  One guy said, "That's nothing."
Jun 11 02:40:20 <halfhalo-traffic> fuuuuu.......
Jun 11 02:40:49 <Tommy> lol, gotta love when people try to impress with the moneys
Jun 11 02:40:52 <oil> "let me check the couch cushions.. brb"
Jun 11 02:41:06 <DocLee> Tommy, this guy had it
Jun 11 02:41:16 <Tommy> DocLee: i don't care, still not impressed
Jun 11 02:41:27 <DocLee> He's given over $10 million in the last two years to cancer charities
Jun 11 02:41:39 <Tommy> "that's nothing" = arrogant, making sure the person you're telling knows just how much money you have
Jun 11 02:41:41 <halfhalo-traffic> ffffffffff
Jun 11 02:41:54 <halfhalo-traffic> missed chance to get of i5
Jun 11 02:42:19 <DocLee> Tommy, don't care.  As long as he cuts a check at the end of the day.
Jun 11 02:42:36 <Tommy> i know
Jun 11 02:42:44 <Tommy> i'm just sayin, i'm not impressed by talk, that's all
Jun 11 02:43:17 <DocLee> Should have seen the guy's yacht
Jun 11 02:43:24 <Tommy> ...lol
Jun 11 02:43:33 <Tommy> dude, i don't know where you're from, but i live in new york city
Jun 11 02:43:46 <haeffb> protip: NEVER make your mother-in-law the administrator on her Windows box
Jun 11 02:44:02 <DocLee> Tommy, and?
Jun 11 02:44:03 <Tommy> a condo on the same block as my school, where there's tons of construction and it's not near anything worthwhile, is $2.5M+
Jun 11 02:44:15 <Tommy> so seriously, why would i be impressed by money, it's all around me
Jun 11 02:44:57 <DocLee> Tommy, the average income and wealth where I'm from exceeds NYC.
Jun 11 02:45:45 <haeffb> even if it means you have to travel 2.5 hours to install anything for her.
Jun 11 02:46:01 <Tommy> DocLee: it's not about the AVERAGE, we have 9 million people
Jun 11 02:46:03 <Tommy> madoff lived here, there are tons of people around with money like him
Jun 11 02:46:07 <Tommy> am i supposed to be impressed?
Jun 11 02:46:31 <DocLee> Tommy, the place I'm at is where everybody from NYC goes to retire.
Jun 11 02:46:33 <Tommy> that french fucker who raped whoever he raped is in house arrest, i know where his apartment is
Jun 11 02:46:40 <haeffb> Tommy, I live in the same town Roy Walton grew up.
Jun 11 02:46:40 <DocLee> It's one of the richest damn places in the US.
Jun 11 02:46:43 <Tommy> DocLee: so you're not impressed, like me?
Jun 11 02:46:47 <Tommy> you seem to be.
Jun 11 02:47:12 <DocLee> Tommy, I'm impressed with big wealth.
Jun 11 02:47:13 <Tommy> you seem to put tons of emphasis on how much money this guy had, as if it wasn't common around you
Jun 11 02:47:20 <Tommy> ah, well that's where we differ.
Jun 11 02:47:22 <DocLee> It's not like I don't have a ton of money myself.
Jun 11 02:47:30 <Tommy> lol, so you're as arrogant as you seem.
Jun 11 02:47:31 * oil doesnt have a ton of money
Jun 11 02:47:36 <halfhalo-traffic> gps... why you no work
Jun 11 02:47:42 <DocLee> I've already put in over $3 million of my own to this company
Jun 11 02:47:44 <haeffb> DocLee: I won't be impressed until you have a "shit-ton"
Jun 11 02:47:48 <bpadalino> i go to the george eastman house to watch movies .. he used to be the richest guy in the world!
Jun 11 02:47:57 <haeffb> a regular ton...bah
Jun 11 02:47:57 <Tommy> DocLee: lol, and yet, you're impressed with a guy who says $1M is nothing
Jun 11 02:48:17 <DocLee> Tommy, I call a million something.
Jun 11 02:48:28 <Tommy> yeah, so he has more money than you
Jun 11 02:48:35 <Tommy> holy shit, not a surprise
Jun 11 02:49:03 <Tommy> after all, he IS the potential investor, isn't he? if he had less money than you, your company either wouldn't need investors or would be bankrupt
Jun 11 02:49:15 <DocLee> He's not an investor.
Jun 11 02:49:19 <DocLee> It's a straight donation.
Jun 11 02:49:35 <Tommy> okay
Jun 11 02:49:56 <DocLee> If he were an investor, different story.  He'd want something out of it.
Jun 11 02:50:05 <haeffb> bpadalino: is that eastman-kodak?
Jun 11 02:50:07 <Tommy> well, i'm sure he doesn't mind the tax breaks lol
Jun 11 02:50:20 <bpadalino> haeffb: yeah, he has a pretty nice house
Jun 11 02:50:25 <DocLee> There's no tax break for a for-profit company
Jun 11 02:50:37 <DocLee> I'm not a charity
Jun 11 02:50:45 <bpadalino> haeffb: apparently all the films shot on kodak film get donated to their vault .. it's pretty nice
Jun 11 02:50:50 <Tommy> i figured it was going to where you worked, DocLee
Jun 11 02:50:59 <Tommy> which is non-profit obviously
Jun 11 02:51:24 <DocLee> There's several parts of Scripps.
Jun 11 02:51:36 <DocLee> There's the non-profit and then there's the business developemnt.
Jun 11 02:51:39 <DocLee> development...
Jun 11 02:51:50 <Tommy> not very interested tbh
Jun 11 02:51:53 <DocLee> But, no, this is going straight to the company.
Jun 11 02:52:08 <DocLee> Of course not.  You wouldn't be working in a place like this.
Jun 11 02:52:12 <haeffb> Tommy: same way we feel about Android.
Jun 11 02:52:36 <Tommy> haeffb: right
Jun 11 02:52:49 <Tommy> DocLee: lol, i wouldn't want to work with people like you, that's for sure
Jun 11 02:53:05 <Tommy> i'd hang myself after a week of putting up with an arrogant prick working alongside me... no, i'd probably just hang you instead
Jun 11 02:53:17 <DocLee> Feeling is mutual.
Jun 11 02:53:24 <Tommy> oh, you feel like i'm arrogant?
Jun 11 02:53:31 <Tommy> remind me when i talked down to you, telling you where you would or wouldn't work
Jun 11 02:53:37 <Tommy> remind me when i bragged about how much money i had
Jun 11 02:53:52 <DocLee> I'm sorry, where did I brag about that?
Jun 11 02:54:02 <haeffb> well, there was that one time where you bragged about your widgets
Jun 11 02:54:05 <Tommy> i believe you told me "it's not like i don't have a ton of money, myself"
Jun 11 02:54:13 <DocLee> That's not bragging.
Jun 11 02:54:18 <Tommy> oh no?
Jun 11 02:54:20 <Tommy> what's bragging then
Jun 11 02:54:21 <DocLee> Nope.
Jun 11 02:54:28 * haeffb tries desperately to bring the conversation back to something at least related to phones
Jun 11 02:54:28 <Tommy> do you have to say it in different words for it to be arrogant?
Jun 11 02:54:45 <DocLee> That was to demonstrate that despite having money, I still consider a $1 million donation to be something.
Jun 11 02:54:49 <Tommy> haeffb: these PhD IRC douchebags are a dime a dozen, idk why i bother... ignored like the rest
Jun 11 02:55:14 * DocLee yawns
Jun 11 02:55:20 <Tommy> haeffb: can you put custom kernels on webOS phones?
Jun 11 02:55:34 <Tommy> the kernels are obviously open source i'd assume
Jun 11 02:59:43 <bpadalino> $1M donation is very hefty
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