**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 11 02:59:57 2011 Jun 11 03:00:03 Not my area of expertise Jun 11 03:04:53 haeffb: lol so why did you want to talk about fonez >>< Jun 11 03:04:55 >.< Jun 11 03:09:57 man, google music is win Jun 11 03:10:02 anyone else use it? Jun 11 03:13:25 it's not my area of expertise because I don't need to put custom kernels on my phone. That was the thing that I eventually grew to hate about Windows Mobile. Jun 11 03:13:58 "We're sorry. Music Beta is currently only available in the United States" Jun 11 03:13:58 it was cool at first, but became tiresome Jun 11 03:14:15 rwhitby: true Jun 11 03:14:32 haeffb: eh, i just do the same thing to every phone i get, takes 15 minutes of my time Jun 11 03:14:43 i'm not one of those people who flashes a different ROM every single night Jun 11 03:15:46 on webOS, a kernel is just like an app. install and remove using the normal package manager. Jun 11 03:16:08 ah, very neat. Jun 11 03:16:21 lol, "remove"? you can run kernelless? :O Jun 11 03:16:59 "remove" reinstalls the stock kernel Jun 11 03:17:09 without needing to be attached to the network even Jun 11 03:17:21 Tommy: also not my area of expertise because rwhitby handles that so capably Jun 11 03:17:28 any other behaviour would be deemed primitive Jun 11 03:17:42 20:09 < Tommy> man, google music is win Jun 11 03:17:43 and/or "unpolished" Jun 11 03:17:45 how... Jun 11 03:17:50 ? Jun 11 03:17:59 it doesn't seem all that much better Jun 11 03:18:28 rwhitby: that is awesome Jun 11 03:18:30 than all the other music locker streaming things Jun 11 03:18:39 and lol @ the shot to android Jun 11 03:18:54 what? You asked. Jun 11 03:18:54 yes, it's so hard for me, i have to flash my stock kernel back after i've flashed a modified one Jun 11 03:18:57 Tommy: of course it's awesome. I architected it. Jun 11 03:19:06 i mean, asking someone to flash a kernel when they've just flashed one? psh, what nerve. Jun 11 03:19:18 rwhitby is a really humble guy Jun 11 03:19:27 dwc-: 20,000 song storage for free? Jun 11 03:19:52 what other streaming service has that? Jun 11 03:20:13 rwhitby: do you work for HP, or is that not on stock webOS devices? Jun 11 03:20:28 Tommy: I do not work for HP. They work for me. Jun 11 03:20:31 after all, it's not open source, so it's not like you could just throw in contributions and have them approved and merged ;) Jun 11 03:21:07 rwhitby: so if i pick up a pre 3, it'll have your kernel flashing magic built in? Jun 11 03:21:23 depends whether it's running Preware or not. Jun 11 03:21:29 palm-install -d usb *preware* Jun 11 03:21:45 ah okay, so that's not a webOS feature Jun 11 03:21:46 Any Pre3 you're likely to own or handle will have Preware on it before too long. Jun 11 03:21:59 it's an application that can do these things for you Jun 11 03:22:19 for a second i thought it was webOS that wasn't "primitive", but nope, it is... applications help pull it out of that status i guess Jun 11 03:22:29 all 350 applications available for it Jun 11 03:25:05 * PatrickC wanders in Jun 11 03:25:46 Well, you could make your own applications, or you could be a little lazy shit and use other peoples' apps. Jun 11 03:25:47 what have I missed? Jun 11 03:26:09 just talking about applications that help keep webOS from being primitive Jun 11 03:26:24 (his words, not mine) :P Jun 11 03:26:33 no, you're still trying to talk about android in #webos Jun 11 03:26:34 The lack of applications makes WebOS profitable from a development perspective. Jun 11 03:26:41 Preware, Govnah, Internalz, Save/Restore!! :) Jun 11 03:26:49 oil: i asked if you could flash custom kernels in webOS Jun 11 03:26:59 PatrickC: yeah, preware was the topic of discussion Jun 11 03:26:59 you can, can't you? Jun 11 03:26:59 and brought it back to android multiple times Jun 11 03:27:06 PatrickC: yessir Jun 11 03:27:15 oil: i didn't bring it back to android at all, you're a moron Jun 11 03:27:22 yep Jun 11 03:27:34 PatrickC: i'm gettin trolled hard, as you can see :P Jun 11 03:28:01 I see noone trolling but u.. sadly Jun 11 03:28:11 If you make a good application, you can easily expect to get it on a million phones. Jun 11 03:28:13 lol, scroll up kiddo Jun 11 03:28:26 Doesn't even have to be that good. Jun 11 03:28:38 You can make a rather subpar app and get it on a million. Jun 11 03:28:54 mreeh Jun 11 03:29:04 Whereas if you make a subpar app for Android or iOS, you can expect to see it on probably 100. Jun 11 03:30:05 wish me luck everyone Jun 11 03:30:12 dr. frankestine is about to operate Jun 11 03:30:51 lol Jun 11 03:30:54 dcousineau: what're you doin? Jun 11 03:30:54 dcousineau: whatcha makin? Jun 11 03:31:21 franken pre Jun 11 03:31:28 what're you doing to it Jun 11 03:31:38 frankenpre2? Jun 11 03:31:39 flipping a bird at Sprint Jun 11 03:31:44 pulling the radio out of my pre- Jun 11 03:31:48 and puttign it in a pre2 Jun 11 03:31:55 o.o Jun 11 03:32:00 dcousineau: whattttt Jun 11 03:32:04 * PatrickC wants to do that Jun 11 03:32:08 you can do that and get a pre 2 on sprint? Jun 11 03:32:10 Tommy: its not that hard Jun 11 03:32:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2 Jun 11 03:32:12 * Tommy don't bereive it Jun 11 03:32:13 Is the Pre2 CDMA? Jun 11 03:32:20 played with one in person Jun 11 03:32:28 Pre2 has a Verizon, and an Unlocked GSM Jun 11 03:32:30 PatrickC: i've never really messed with the hardware of a phone, i mean, nothing serious Jun 11 03:32:38 I have the unlocked GSM Jun 11 03:32:50 the inductive charging mod would be the most i've messed with, and i'm not too fond of the idea of soldering my motherboard Jun 11 03:32:55 warranty void D: Jun 11 03:33:19 I would have gone for a Pre2 CDMA and then just MEID repaired it and flashed it over to Sprint. Jun 11 03:33:39 AFAIK I don't think you can do that? Jun 11 03:33:48 I bet you you can. Jun 11 03:34:08 rwhitby: can u? Jun 11 03:34:10 talk to webos internals and see but I was hanging out with those guys yesterday and it seemed like it wasn't possible Jun 11 03:34:12 buuuut I dunno Jun 11 03:34:20 dcousineau: what's not possible? inductive charging? Jun 11 03:34:21 DocLee: the FrankenPre2 is pretty easy Jun 11 03:34:22 all I know is my unlocked GSM version was cheapyfree Jun 11 03:34:35 It's illegal to change the ESN...but...whatever. Jun 11 03:34:43 dcousineau: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/14/evo-4g-receives-a-palm-pre-inductive-charging-transplant-video/ Jun 11 03:34:43 lol Jun 11 03:34:49 I got both mine free Jun 11 03:34:55 Tommy: I wasn't talking abou tinductive charging Jun 11 03:35:00 oh okay Jun 11 03:35:04 Tommy: we are talking about changing carriers :) Jun 11 03:35:28 PatrickC: either i ignored someone who said something or i missed something important haha Jun 11 03:35:34 lol Jun 11 03:35:49 I would have gone for a Pre2 CDMA and then just MEID repaired it and flashed it over to Sprint. Jun 11 03:36:02 ah, yep. Jun 11 03:36:15 PatrickC, Works for several verizon phones. Jun 11 03:36:38 huh? Jun 11 03:36:40 mark of a true gadget geek Jun 11 03:36:46 i've had this pre2 only 24 hours Jun 11 03:36:46 dcousineau: after you do all of that, spend $40 to flash it over to virgin mobile :D Jun 11 03:36:49 already voided the warranty Jun 11 03:36:56 hahaha Jun 11 03:36:59 dcousineau: nice Jun 11 03:37:02 Don't even need the $40 Jun 11 03:37:04 Tommy: BTW, the Sprint Pre 2 is another thing that's mine ;) Jun 11 03:37:07 lol, i had my nexus S for 6 minutes before the warranty was void Jun 11 03:37:11 You can do it yourself with CDMAworkshop Jun 11 03:37:15 rwhitby: congrats Jun 11 03:37:29 rwhitby: I will eithe rlove you or hate you in 30 minutes Jun 11 03:37:31 rwhitby is amazing lol Jun 11 03:37:34 rwhitby: thank you! Jun 11 03:37:37 * Tommy rolls eyes Jun 11 03:38:12 DocLee: the good thing about the Sprint Pre 2 procedure is that the ESN is not changed, so it's completely legal. Jun 11 03:38:13 rwhitby: how easy is it to break something important when doing the swap? Jun 11 03:38:27 rwhitby: I'm bad with names, were you up in sunnyvale yesterday? Jun 11 03:38:28 PatrickC: very, since you don't follow instructions well Jun 11 03:38:30 rwhitby, I have no issue with breaking that rule whatsoever. Jun 11 03:38:31 ridiculously easy Jun 11 03:38:38 that's what I'm mainly worried about Jun 11 03:38:41 dcousineau: nope, still in .au Jun 11 03:38:56 haeefb: I take it you did it? Jun 11 03:38:59 ah Jun 11 03:39:04 a couple of times Jun 11 03:39:10 I don't really know the proper names and faces yet :P Jun 11 03:39:19 3 of the internals guys were up there yesterday Jun 11 03:39:23 or maybe 2 Jun 11 03:39:26 dcousineau: you would have met Jauder and Tom Jun 11 03:39:30 I'll do it when I get a backup pre- Jun 11 03:39:39 cool dudes Jun 11 03:39:48 bummed a ride from them Jun 11 03:39:54 btw if hotels.com says the hotel has a free shuttle Jun 11 03:39:57 I want to be able to have a working pre if I break one Jun 11 03:39:57 don't trust them Jun 11 03:40:00 lol Jun 11 03:41:04 dcousineau: the two tricks: 1) watch the volume flex cable. 2) when reassembling, slide the keyboard tabs up from the bottom, not from above. Jun 11 03:41:29 with those two things, even PatrickC can do it Jun 11 03:41:35 :) Jun 11 03:41:35 hahah Jun 11 03:41:48 I'll still wait till I get a backup pre lol Jun 11 03:42:10 rwhitby: would it be as easy to do with a GSM phone? Jun 11 03:42:27 Tommy: same procedure Jun 11 03:42:56 interesting Jun 11 03:43:10 shouldn't have cut my fingernails last week Jun 11 03:43:22 lol Jun 11 03:43:58 you need a spudger Jun 11 03:44:04 dcousineau: the end of a cable tie works Jun 11 03:45:32 and boom goes the volume rocker Jun 11 03:45:36 weren't kidding were you Jun 11 03:49:20 http://nick.com/hpveer Jun 11 03:56:27 dcousineau: which guide are you following? Jun 11 03:57:19 the one with picatures on webosinternals Jun 11 03:57:43 man I don' wanna kepe my old bezel Jun 11 03:57:45 fooey Jun 11 03:57:51 need to go find a cottons swap Jun 11 04:02:19 PatrickC: old news? Jun 11 04:02:46 the merranda cosgrove commercial just came out today iirc Jun 11 04:02:55 that's where I got that link Jun 11 04:06:22 oh Jun 11 04:11:16 HOME. Jun 11 04:11:29 cool Jun 11 04:12:00 Tibfib: yay Jun 11 04:17:47 the good doctor is running Jun 11 04:18:08 those fscking keyboard tabs Jun 11 04:18:10 ugh Jun 11 04:19:54 oh probably a good idea to plug in th elaptop running the dr Jun 11 04:20:11 definitely Jun 11 04:20:31 i'm mere minutes away from an anti-shitty sprint webos phone Jun 11 04:20:48 nice Jun 11 04:20:51 2.1? Jun 11 04:20:56 pre 2? Jun 11 04:20:57 naturally Jun 11 04:20:59 yup Jun 11 04:21:02 very nice Jun 11 04:21:02 guy walked up to me Jun 11 04:21:05 YOU DANIEL? Jun 11 04:21:05 waaaaay better Jun 11 04:21:07 yes...? Jun 11 04:21:17 HERES YOUR PRE2 IT GOT RETURNED TO US SO I KEPT IT IN MY CUBICLE Jun 11 04:21:21 I wept silently Jun 11 04:21:28 thought I would never see it thanks to my shitty apt not holding on to it Jun 11 04:21:33 OR CALLING ME Jun 11 04:21:33 oh at palm? Jun 11 04:21:35 yeah Jun 11 04:21:38 that sucks Jun 11 04:21:45 but good in the end Jun 11 04:21:48 I gave him a hug Jun 11 04:21:51 wasn't ashamed Jun 11 04:21:55 wasn't even a man hug Jun 11 04:21:57 it was a real hug Jun 11 04:22:06 hahaahaha Jun 11 04:23:40 Tibfib: how's koto doing? Jun 11 04:24:23 fine I guesss Jun 11 04:24:36 selling good? Jun 11 04:25:26 not really, no webOS users Jun 11 04:25:47 yeah 2.0 is awkward Jun 11 04:26:01 waiting on the pre3 to drop to expect widespread adoption of 2.0 Jun 11 04:26:56 yeah I hope so Jun 11 04:27:02 I need to do some work on Koto Jun 11 04:28:04 I'm trying to figure out why release the touchpad before the pre3? Jun 11 04:28:23 because the Pre3 won't be on 2.x for very long Jun 11 04:28:35 ah Jun 11 04:28:40 get 3.x out the door, build up enyo apps, roll out 3.x to the Pre3 and SURPRISE magic Jun 11 04:29:12 I'm off to bed. night all Jun 11 04:29:33 later Jun 11 04:29:43 night Jun 11 04:30:42 dcousineau: good luck! Jun 11 04:30:53 cya dcousineau Jun 11 04:31:01 Tibfib: ttyl Jun 11 04:31:05 ITS UP AND ALIVE Jun 11 04:31:08 AND ON SPRINT Jun 11 04:31:14 YAY!!!! Jun 11 04:31:26 rwhitby: you're officially my best friend Jun 11 04:31:54 palm profile upgraded as well Jun 11 04:32:00 no hiccups it seems Jun 11 04:32:19 hmmm, the keyboard resize key should really be a separate one on the touchpad Jun 11 04:32:31 meh Jun 11 04:32:32 no average users are going to know that it can resize Jun 11 04:32:43 many people going to want to resize that much? Jun 11 04:32:53 hmm, maybe Jun 11 04:32:58 a lot of people may go a while before they figure out swiping up works Jun 11 04:33:03 what with being used to ipads and all Jun 11 04:33:12 yeah, you may be true Jun 11 04:33:15 I think it'll probably be something that they go over in the first launch tutorial Jun 11 04:33:29 I mean, not like they can go over back and forward gestures… e_e Jun 11 04:33:30 still, I think it should be separate Jun 11 04:33:40 you may be right* is what I meant Jun 11 04:34:58 OMFG Jun 11 04:35:02 still can't take calls on my phone Jun 11 04:35:04 damned bezel Jun 11 04:35:22 well Jun 11 04:35:24 can take calls Jun 11 04:35:29 but only in fscking speaker mode Jun 11 04:35:39 guess it was a problem with the bezel Jun 11 04:36:34 oh that sucks Jun 11 04:36:53 dcousineau: did you pull the battery plastic bit out? Jun 11 04:37:49 BTW, you can swap the headphone socket between two bezels Jun 11 04:42:51 fixed it Jun 11 04:43:06 some rubbing alcohol and stock palm earbuds Jun 11 04:43:10 in out in out Jun 11 04:43:41 ohhh Jun 11 04:43:47 I had that issue A LONG time ago Jun 11 04:43:57 forgot about that Jun 11 04:44:02 yeah Jun 11 04:58:36 dcousineau: welcome to paradise. :) Jun 11 05:02:10 so far so wonderful Jun 11 05:24:04 * rwhitby bbl Jun 11 05:27:22 Second Life: Something that can be used by businesses to hold "virtual space meetings" and yet can also be used by redneck magicians to troll a group of 45 ponies. And there's a tiger. Jun 11 05:27:26 ~INTERNET~ Jun 11 05:37:05 win Jun 11 05:47:41 sugardave: still awake? Jun 11 05:48:16 aw hell, it's way past my bedtime Jun 11 05:48:28 it's almost time to wake up. Jun 11 05:49:31 haeffb: tsk tsk Jun 11 05:50:55 debugging takes way more time than bugging. Jun 11 07:22:36 will webos 3 be available for pre+? any information about that? Jun 11 11:03:25 hi there Jun 11 11:03:50 I'm trying out the tutorial on ENYO Jun 11 11:03:59 I have a simple stupid question Jun 11 11:04:19 when I launch the page un chrome I get a cross origin issue Jun 11 11:04:51 is there something special I need to do to be able to test my pages on chrome ? Jun 11 11:18:37 clodeindustrie_: You can't discuss that here, NDA Jun 11 11:19:37 where can I discuss that? Jun 11 11:22:11 on the early access forum Jun 11 11:26:38 I was kind of looking for a quick easy answer for a problem that is not really related to the specificity of enyo but well thanks anyway Jun 11 11:27:27 clodeindustrie_: Yeah, it is annoying, I know. I've wanted to ask stuff here too. Hopefully the NDA will be gone soon Jun 11 13:10:47 * PatrickC walks in Jun 11 13:22:35 bbl Jun 11 14:01:32 sugardave: time to get back to work! Jun 11 15:27:54 http://www.precentral.net/touchpad-accessory-pricing-confirmed-30-charger-50-case-70-keyboard-80-touchstone-stand Jun 11 15:51:32 so, $499 plus $230 Jun 11 15:51:59 if you get all the accesories, yes Jun 11 15:53:20 just touchstone stand + case for me Jun 11 15:53:23 $300, because I'll have to have a Touchstone at home and at work Jun 11 15:53:41 I want to see the keyboard and how portable it is. Jun 11 15:54:53 Glad my wife doesn't like tablets. Jun 11 15:55:17 heh Jun 11 15:58:04 $80 for the touchstone :/ Jun 11 15:59:15 316MB Adobe Acrobat update... sigh Jun 11 16:02:23 Popple3: the original one was $60 Jun 11 16:02:46 haeffb: its very very similar to the apple kb Jun 11 16:04:54 keith: I was hoping around the $60 mark for this one. Don't think I'll bother with it really. Would be handy for some college subjects along with a keyboard, but useless for most (doing software development) Jun 11 16:05:40 my point was, it might not stay at that pricepoint Jun 11 16:05:46 just like touchstones were half price within 3 months. Jun 11 16:07:07 http://www.precentral.net/lengthy-touchpad-demo-reveals-reborn-gesture-keyboard-keys-and-more-video -- the vid is pretty good Jun 11 16:08:04 keith: true. I'll be holding out in the meantime anyway Jun 11 16:08:17 * haeffb wants the keyboard for taking meeting notes Jun 11 16:08:18 dohtem: Yeah, delighted to see the swipe up gesture returning Jun 11 16:08:24 I know!! Jun 11 16:08:26 Popple3: Agreed! Jun 11 16:09:39 I was using an android phone with froyo and the browser tabs are now arranged like cardview. I kept trying to swipe the cards away :( Jun 11 16:09:56 I'd imagine I would've been making that mistake a lot Jun 11 16:10:27 dohtem: I keep trying to swipe up on my desire to close an app :P I do have WaveLauncher on it though, so at least I can get that Jun 11 16:11:39 Am I right in thinking the only extra thing on Touchstone 2 is unique IDs so you can have different things happen in different locations? Jun 11 16:19:16 haeffb: i'm just going to use my apple kb until they drop Jun 11 16:19:23 since touchpad supports any bt keyboard Jun 11 16:19:31 i hope eventually someone makes a custom case w/ a kb built in Jun 11 16:19:58 * Tibfib will be buying 1+ touchstone(s) and a case Jun 11 16:20:09 with developer pricing, it may be affordable Jun 11 16:20:12 me too Jun 11 16:20:17 regardless of the price honestly Jun 11 16:20:26 then i'll wait a month or 3 for the kb Jun 11 16:20:50 heh, if I'm gonna pay 600 for the 32gb version I'm going to have to wait a bit for the accessories Jun 11 16:29:54 screw it Jun 11 16:29:58 * Popple3 buys touchstone for Pre 2 Jun 11 16:31:39 * Tibfib has like 4/5 Jun 11 16:33:26 Popple3, god Jun 11 16:33:30 Popple3, good I mean Jun 11 16:34:08 avarus: for $30, couldn't say no Jun 11 16:34:22 around 50 eur here :( Jun 11 16:34:24 My 3DS's charging cradle has convinced me I need one Jun 11 16:34:27 avarus: Ebay Jun 11 16:34:41 You can't buy them anywhere here :P Jun 11 16:34:46 ah ok :) Jun 11 16:34:51 I can buy it at amazon Jun 11 16:35:47 avarus: This is the one I bought: http://cgi.ebay.ie/Palm-Touchstone-Charging-Dock-USB-Charger-Pixi-Pre-/180674853586?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a110f7ad2#ht_2001wt_786 Jun 11 16:36:39 strange ebay.ie is displaying the prices in us$ Jun 11 16:36:54 Yeah, converts it to EUR underneath though Jun 11 16:37:09 suckers :P Jun 11 16:37:33 O.o Jun 11 16:37:49 but that's cheap :) Jun 11 16:38:06 so you live in ireland Jun 11 16:38:19 yup, one of the very few webOS users in Ireland :P Jun 11 16:38:25 :D Jun 11 16:38:38 Nobody is even gonna carry the Pre3 and Veer over here Jun 11 16:38:47 and yet, we'll be one of the first to get the TouchPad Jun 11 16:38:50 here it's similar Jun 11 16:39:07 ah, really? I think I'll never see the touchpad officially in the shops here Jun 11 16:40:06 I'd like to buy it though :P Jun 11 16:41:48 I'd like to get one for free for dev :P Jun 11 16:41:52 I'd be happy to pay for one though Jun 11 17:30:50 Terrible. Just terrible. Jun 11 17:31:20 what's up, Doc? why the long face? Jun 11 17:31:27 Dashboards. Jun 11 17:31:42 custom? Jun 11 17:31:47 Of course. Jun 11 17:31:58 heh, why do I ask these questions? :D Jun 11 17:31:59 The default ones are so absolutely pointless. Jun 11 17:32:53 * haeffb just started looking into that Jun 11 17:32:59 banners ok Jun 11 17:33:20 Banners are easy Jun 11 17:33:36 Extending beyond that is very difficult. Jun 11 17:33:51 you guys almost got me breaking the NDA...almost Jun 11 17:34:01 what NDA? Jun 11 17:37:04 The only reason there's an NDA is so that people don't know just how terrible this thing is. Jun 11 17:37:48 not terrible....different :D Jun 11 17:37:57 Retarded would be a better word Jun 11 17:38:40 so far the things I've tried worked out WAY better than trying the same shit in Mojo Jun 11 17:41:11 This entire BS about passing parameters is horrible. Jun 11 17:41:37 The documentation is horrible. Jun 11 17:50:05 Forget it. No dashboard for the app. Jun 11 17:50:53 I bet exhibition is the same way Jun 11 17:50:55 DocLee: I am, in fact, working on sending in some comments on the docs...if you want, you can send me some of the things you'd like to see or think are bad and I can send them along, as well Jun 11 17:51:24 I've already sent a list of things to tech Jun 11 17:51:45 fine, make me actually work :P Jun 11 18:39:18 Finally Jun 11 19:10:27 dcousineau: how's the Pre2 ? Jun 11 19:11:12 like a dream Jun 11 19:14:18 yeah, I love mine. Wish it would have been available a year ago on Sprint. Jun 11 19:18:55 SPRIIIIIIIIINT! :( Jun 11 19:29:02 sugardave: ex-fucking-zactly Jun 11 19:33:33 * oil continues to rock sprint pre- Jun 11 19:36:26 ^5 oil Jun 11 19:36:29 me, too Jun 11 19:36:45 right, like you're not using a pre3? Jun 11 19:37:00 I thin kmy contract ends Thursday Jun 11 19:37:27 for reals, I don't have a Pre3 yet :( Jun 11 19:37:29 * oil is unsure when he got his pre Jun 11 19:38:10 all i can say is, the pre3 better be comin to sprint Jun 11 19:38:27 or sprint gonna be losing a lot of Biz from guys like us. Jun 11 19:38:39 lol, yeah Jun 11 19:41:52 one bright spot from my job going away is that if I relocate I'll have more carrier options. Jun 11 19:41:58 like Verizon and ATT Jun 11 19:49:11 <3 living in a GSM only country Jun 11 19:49:20 unlocked devices FTW Jun 11 20:16:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5oxC-U7Rxk&NR=1 - heh Jun 11 20:27:46 BLARGH! Jun 11 20:27:53 Been a year since topic updated Jun 11 20:36:59 that guy is busy Jun 11 20:52:11 sugardave: have you been using Sublime? Jun 11 21:15:31 haeffb: I've been trying to Jun 11 21:15:45 but I haven't made it do anything spectacular yet Jun 11 21:15:54 I like it's search functionality Jun 11 21:16:07 s/it's/its Jun 11 21:19:46 I still need javascript validation in whatever editor I use... does Sublime? Jun 11 21:20:38 ummm Jun 11 21:20:44 I don't think so Jun 11 21:21:10 halfhalo: ping Jun 11 21:21:26 * halfhalo sues Jun 11 21:21:46 does Sublime do js validation? Jun 11 21:21:59 no idea Jun 11 21:22:08 that's what I think Jun 11 21:46:55 why do people who write twitter apps not realize that eventually the list gets too long and needs to be chopped off? Jun 11 21:49:13 because they don't use twitter, they don't use twitter like you, they test themself, they don't have testers :P Jun 11 21:49:50 phnx is awesome, but after a day of use it starts getting laggy Jun 11 21:49:58 close it reopen and all is well Jun 11 21:50:06 memory leaks Jun 11 21:50:46