**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 15 02:59:57 2011
Jun 15 03:00:26 <summatusmentis> I still don't have a good way to use it beyond dev work
Jun 15 03:00:50 <summatusmentis> infrastructure is important, and I don't have it
Jun 15 03:01:01 <dawm> http://gizmodo.com/5811877/happy-hot-dog-man-mutates-your-hot-dog-into-a-little-human
Jun 15 03:01:02 <dawm> LOL
Jun 15 03:01:09 <Tommy> dawm: i posted that 3 minutes ago.
Jun 15 03:01:22 <dawm> i dont care
Jun 15 03:01:25 <Tommy> ...k
Jun 15 03:01:26 <dawm> i dont read the buffer ;p
Jun 15 03:01:35 <summatusmentis> you... really?
Jun 15 03:02:28 <Tommy> dawm: i figured you got it from here and reposted in the wrong channel
Jun 15 03:02:35 <Tommy> thinking you were in a different tab
Jun 15 03:02:36 <dawm> nope got it from another channel
Jun 15 03:02:45 <Tommy> well they got it from here
Jun 15 03:02:45 <dawm> but i saw it earlier today just never actually looked at it
Jun 15 03:05:38 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 15 03:05:47 <dawm> od
Jun 15 03:07:47 <Tommy> http://gizmodo.com/5811986/plastic-bag-manufacturer-sues-reusable-bag-manufacturer-for-loss-of-sales
Jun 15 03:07:53 <Tommy> dawm: quick, a link for you to repost
Jun 15 03:08:16 <dawm> again, i didnt see that you posted it, and i didnt get the link from this channel..
Jun 15 03:09:27 <Tommy> dawm: i'm messing with you dude :P
Jun 15 03:15:38 <dawm> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/14/n-control-avenger-xbox-360-attachment-makes-it-look-complicated/
Jun 15 03:15:45 <dawm> has that been posted in here yet? :P
Jun 15 03:19:04 <summatusmentis> I just saw a Veer commercial, neat
Jun 15 03:19:40 <haeffb> pacquiao?
Jun 15 03:19:48 <summatusmentis> is he a boxer or something?
Jun 15 03:19:51 <dawm> ...
Jun 15 03:20:07 <summatusmentis> am I supposed to know that?
Jun 15 03:20:22 <halfhalo> mebe?
Jun 15 03:20:56 <summatusmentis> yes, pacquiao
Jun 15 03:21:02 <summatusmentis> wiki says he's a boxer
Jun 15 03:21:45 <summatusmentis> I didn't recognize him, but it was a clever commercial
Jun 15 03:23:11 <summatusmentis> I'm really looking forward to touchpad dev pricing
Jun 15 03:24:56 <dwc-> gross, afs
Jun 15 03:25:46 <summatusmentis> hey man, nothing wrong with afs
Jun 15 03:26:57 <Tommy> summatusmentis: dude, he's the most famous boxer in the world right now lol
Jun 15 03:27:12 <dawm> ugh never thought id miss my dog, but i do.. even tho she can get hyper and annoying i miss her right now
Jun 15 03:27:17 <summatusmentis> for me to know that, I would have to follow boxing, let alone sports
Jun 15 03:27:33 <Tommy> or just talk to someone else every now and again
Jun 15 03:27:52 <summatusmentis> I try not to talk to people who follow sports :)
Jun 15 03:28:19 <summatusmentis> a lot of pop culture I just have no idea about
Jun 15 03:28:26 <Tommy> lol
Jun 15 03:28:26 <dawm> i dont follow sports and i knew who he was
Jun 15 03:28:45 <Tommy> dawm: exactly, that's like knowing who mike tyson is
Jun 15 03:28:51 <dawm> the chicken guy?
Jun 15 03:28:53 <Tommy> summatusmentis: are we good with that analogy or should i explain?
Jun 15 03:29:04 <summatusmentis> I vaguely know who mike tyson is :)
Jun 15 03:29:11 <Tommy> :P
Jun 15 03:29:14 <summatusmentis> he was in some movie, The Hangover?
Jun 15 03:29:14 <dawm> he had a video game didnt he?
Jun 15 03:29:37 <dawm> is he the hawaiian punch guy?
Jun 15 03:30:04 <Tommy> he was in two movies
Jun 15 03:30:05 <summatusmentis> see, I don't know who the hawaiian punch guy is
Jun 15 03:30:07 <Tommy> the hangover and 2
Jun 15 03:30:13 <summatusmentis> oh, I haven't seen 2
Jun 15 03:30:19 <Tommy> i just ruined it
Jun 15 03:30:28 <summatusmentis> I mean, whatever
Jun 15 03:30:33 <summatusmentis> I didn't enjoy the first one that much
Jun 15 03:30:34 <Tommy> i'm kidding, that doesn't ruin it
Jun 15 03:30:53 <dawm> summatusmentis, i was making a joke, keyword was 'punch'
Jun 15 03:31:21 <summatusmentis> see? that's how much I don't know about pop culture :)
Jun 15 03:31:38 <summatusmentis> I just assumed there was a hawaiian punch guy
Jun 15 03:32:18 <Tommy> ....
Jun 15 03:32:23 <Tommy> you're silly.
Jun 15 03:32:48 <summatusmentis> I just pay attention to things many people don't
Jun 15 03:32:50 <dawm> theres a character.. but i doubt theres an actual guy
Jun 15 03:32:51 <summatusmentis> ain't no thang
Jun 15 03:33:03 <dawm> http://www.thecitrusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Hawaiian_Punch-punchy.jpg
Jun 15 03:33:06 <dawm> 'Punchy'
Jun 15 03:33:16 <Tommy> lol
Jun 15 03:33:19 <summatusmentis> oh, I've maybe seen that logo
Jun 15 03:33:50 <dawm> um you have if youve ever seen a thing of hawaiian punch.. its on every label
Jun 15 03:33:57 <haeffb> wow. the nexus S can help fill the internet with even more cats.
Jun 15 03:34:00 <summatusmentis> right
Jun 15 03:34:05 <Tommy> haeffb: i have one, and it's true.
Jun 15 03:34:09 <Tommy> my internet is filled with cats
Jun 15 03:34:25 <haeffb> that's it. I'm leaving webOS
Jun 15 03:34:31 <haeffb> not nearly enough cats.
Jun 15 03:34:56 <haeffb> I'm not sure I've seen even cat one since I started using Palm.
Jun 15 03:34:59 <summatusmentis> that's the only reason I'm on webOS
Jun 15 03:35:43 <Tommy> no cats?
Jun 15 03:36:15 <summatusmentis> yes
Jun 15 03:36:20 <summatusmentis> cats eat your soul
Jun 15 03:36:23 <summatusmentis> or, something
Jun 15 03:36:52 <Tommy> my cat is awesome
Jun 15 03:37:40 <Tommy> summatusmentis: tell me, do you honestly think this thing would eat your soul
Jun 15 03:37:41 <Tommy> http://oi56.tinypic.com/2i27if6.jpg
Jun 15 03:38:02 <summatusmentis> yeah dude, look at those eyes
Jun 15 03:38:04 <twbbas> My cat looks just like that
Jun 15 03:38:14 <Tommy> twbbas: proof or BS
Jun 15 03:38:18 <twbbas> lolol
Jun 15 03:38:32 <twbbas> Why can't you just believe me?
Jun 15 03:59:42 <dawm> Tommy, you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgV0aACAMc (NSFW, Langauge)
Jun 15 04:05:31 <LoneStar99> g.eveing webos-ers
Jun 15 04:29:34 <Tommy> dawm: i'll check it in a minute
Jun 15 05:37:58 * dohtem is having fun with a certain framework...
Jun 15 05:39:27 <dwc-> must be rails
Jun 15 05:41:06 <dohtem> I must share this every time I hear rails - http://canrailsscale.com/
Jun 15 05:41:27 <halfhalo> hey!
Jun 15 05:41:30 <halfhalo> rails scales!
Jun 15 05:41:38 <halfhalo> it just scales sideways
Jun 15 05:42:01 <dwc-> that's not as funny as http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/
Jun 15 05:42:29 <dohtem> lmao @ mySQL
Jun 15 05:43:43 <halfhalo> hah @ noSQL
Jun 15 05:44:01 <dohtem> nice find dwc-
Jun 15 05:44:08 <dwc-> another one I like: www.xtranormal.com/watch/6995033/mongo-db-is-web-scale
Jun 15 05:44:32 <Tommy> dawm: dude i have that book
Jun 15 05:44:37 <Tommy> search for it on amazon
Jun 15 05:44:43 <Tommy> it's a picture book for adults
Jun 15 05:44:57 <dawm> huh?
Jun 15 05:45:05 <Tommy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgV0aACAMc
Jun 15 05:45:20 * dwc- picked up the audible audiobook of that today
Jun 15 05:45:27 <Tommy> dawm: http://www.amazon.com/Go-F-Sleep-Adam-Mansbach/dp/1617750255/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308116645&sr=8-1
Jun 15 05:45:30 <dwc-> (free for a limited time)
Jun 15 05:45:40 <dawm> oh
Jun 15 05:45:43 <dawm> arg..
Jun 15 05:45:46 <Tommy> it's a picture book
Jun 15 05:45:47 <dawm> flash crashes too much
Jun 15 05:45:49 <Tommy> it's hilarious
Jun 15 05:46:16 <LoneStar99> anyone here a canvas guru?
Jun 15 10:43:33 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 15 10:44:39 <hotdp> Mornings
Jun 15 10:48:42 <LoneStar99> waz sup hotdp
Jun 15 15:12:28 <haeffb_pre> twbbas: get it working?
Jun 15 15:34:31 <twbbas> haeffb_pre: Yeah. I posted up on the forums last night and they helped me figure out the problem. Working great now :D
Jun 15 15:35:00 <haeffb_pre> nice.
Jun 15 15:45:04 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 15 15:46:04 <twbbas> hello
Jun 15 15:46:41 <Loudergood> almost lunch time :)
Jun 15 15:48:49 <twbbas> heh I read that as "launch" time
Jun 15 15:49:01 <twbbas> I'm drunk on webOS right now I guess
Jun 15 15:58:06 <cwayne> twbbas: that's funny, i'm drunk off whiskey right now
Jun 15 16:00:58 <summatusmentis> I wish I were
Jun 15 16:03:32 * halfhalo isn;t drunk on anything.  But he IS  curled up under his desk at work wanting it to be home time already
Jun 15 16:04:33 * sugardav1 waits patiently for the mailman to bring his first check.
Jun 15 16:05:07 <halfhalo> oh,oh,oh sugardave hows that bag of holding working for you? tempted to get one myself to replace my ces bag for general duty
Jun 15 16:05:53 <sugardave> pretty good, though I overfilled mine.  the worst thing I can say about it so far is there is no pad on the shoulder strap and there are only single zippers on the zippered pockets (I like the dual-zipper setup)
Jun 15 16:06:10 <sugardave> it can hold 2 17" laptops + a bunch of other crap
Jun 15 16:06:19 <maik_> oh man, <3 [redacted]'s [redacted] [redacted] and [redacted] [redacted]
Jun 15 16:07:08 <halfhalo> excellent... except I only have two > 14" laptops and soon two tablets to store in it.  but the bastard is backordered.  bastards.
Jun 15 16:08:04 <sugardave> well, I had 1 17" and 1 15" lappie and 1 tablet I was carrying around, a few books, power supplies, etc.
Jun 15 16:08:58 <haeffb_pre> what is this bag of holding... ?
Jun 15 16:09:19 <halfhalo> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/aaa5/
Jun 15 16:10:15 <halfhalo> hmm, I wonder if my T400 would fit in there.  forgot about the battery.
Jun 15 16:10:54 <sugardave> is the battery giant or something?
Jun 15 16:11:01 <sugardave> regardless, it will probably fit
Jun 15 16:12:36 <halfhalo> yeah, its the 9 cell
Jun 15 16:12:49 <maik> mmm, 9-cell batteries
Jun 15 16:13:06 <halfhalo> why is it that all my post apple laptops have had giant things sticking out their back.  both my c90s and the t400 have them.
Jun 15 16:13:39 <sugardave> how much does it extend?
Jun 15 16:13:48 <halfhalo> call it 3 inches
Jun 15 16:13:53 <sugardave> no problem
Jun 15 16:14:09 <sugardave> I can put the 17" in and stack the power supply on top of it, fits fine
Jun 15 16:14:49 <halfhalo> whoanow... chromebook ad on amazon?
Jun 15 16:26:16 <sugardave> erg, I flashed my wife's Nook Color and she's all into it...but after using it, the next boot always causes it to freeze at the boot logo and I have to reset/reflash it...what a PITA...why can't things be like webOS devices?!
Jun 15 16:26:41 <halfhalo> because?
Jun 15 16:27:10 <haeffb_pre> webOS devices ARE things that be like webOS devices
Jun 15 16:27:24 <haeffb_pre> so your mistake was...
Jun 15 16:27:31 <sugardave> I didn't by that :D
Jun 15 16:27:35 <sugardave> s/by/buy/
Jun 15 16:27:57 <sugardave> I couldn't very well tell my mom "Wait until xxxx" because that information was super-secret
Jun 15 16:28:18 <sugardave> meeting time, woo!
Jun 15 16:28:44 <halfhalo> wait, don't you work in the middle of like, nowhere? who is there to meet with?!?
Jun 15 16:28:53 <RagingMind> sugardave, "in the coming months" is always appropriate :)
Jun 15 16:28:54 <sugardave> phone meetings...the best kind
Jun 15 16:29:09 <halfhalo> ahhh... you don't need pants for those!
Jun 15 16:29:13 <sugardave> RagingMind: I am trying to avoid that one :D
Jun 15 16:30:48 <maik> man, my Pre- with 2.1 is not doing well lately :/
Jun 15 16:31:41 <Loudergood> ?
Jun 15 16:34:32 <RagingMind> last couple days mine has been running warm and the battery has been going down fairly fast
Jun 15 16:40:35 <Loudergood> reboot?
Jun 15 16:42:49 <RagingMind> I have
Jun 15 17:35:37 <maik> hah, autocorrect changed "Ummm" to "Umm"
Jun 15 17:35:44 <maik> Thanks, autocorrect!
Jun 15 17:35:49 <hotdp> :)
Jun 15 17:35:57 <ryanwatkins> something lost in the translation ...
Jun 15 17:36:19 <maik> that extra m really expressed my indecisiveness.  the person won't know that i was truly indecisive now
Jun 15 17:36:34 <maik> er, undecided
Jun 15 17:36:57 <maik> ooh, precentral has a touchpad in their logo, how long's that been there?
Jun 15 17:40:48 <twbbas> Maybe about a week? I just noticed it a few days ago
Jun 15 17:41:08 <maik> heh, Win Phone ads on precentral
Jun 15 17:41:25 <maik> sad that they're having to try and give away from xbox games with a new phone
Jun 15 17:41:35 * halfhalo likes his winphone
Jun 15 17:42:13 <ryanwatkins> ya, winphone7 is pretty nice.  ui is slick
Jun 15 17:42:21 <ryanwatkins> lack of multiasking is really the big killer.
Jun 15 17:48:49 <NuttyBunny> ryanwatkins: Many devices can do a slick ui, transition between static apps is easy :P
Jun 15 17:50:29 <ryanwatkins> nuttybunny: no its the UI components themselves - like when you pull a scrolled section past the edge it slightly compresses the content.
Jun 15 17:51:24 <ryanwatkins> things wiggle just slightly if you press, hold and then move your flnger a bit
Jun 15 17:51:29 <ryanwatkins> and its all buttery smooth
Jun 15 18:16:52 <NuttyBunny> ryanwatkins: meh.... I just like eye-candy if it's useful and doesn't clog the processor
Jun 15 18:18:11 <ryanwatkins> haters gonna hate
Jun 15 18:29:41 <twbbas> bakers gonna bake
Jun 15 19:06:34 <eurisko> hi everyone, i am new to the webos and i am going to download the sdk and the pdk, but one question arises, shall i start with the v 2.1 or ask for the 3.0 early access? will be any major gain/loss from starting with 3.0 ?
Jun 15 19:06:47 <ryanwatkins> 3.0
Jun 15 19:07:01 <eurisko> okay, thanks ryan
Jun 15 19:07:30 <ryanwatkins> its the future, unless you really want to write to the existing devices rather than the new ones.
Jun 15 19:07:53 <sugardave> you should definitely request early access and start getting familiar with 3.0
Jun 15 19:08:00 <eurisko> no, i plan on writing to future devices
Jun 15 19:08:14 <ryanwatkins> future being .. 15 days away.
Jun 15 19:08:38 <eurisko> will take longer arround my country :)
Jun 15 19:09:41 <summatusmentis> well, enyo-capable devices will be available in 15 days
Jun 15 19:09:52 <summatusmentis> even if not to you :)
Jun 15 19:09:53 <halfhalo> or will it
Jun 15 19:10:24 <NuttyBunny> enyo help? anyone?
Jun 15 19:11:08 <ryanwatkins> NuttyBunny: depends on the question I guess
Jun 15 19:12:03 <NuttyBunny> ok, you're chosen ;)
Jun 15 19:12:12 <eurisko> another thing will the pre 2 receive the update to the 3.0 ?
Jun 15 19:12:24 <ryanwatkins> the expectation is yes.
Jun 15 19:12:46 <NuttyBunny> They *said* that, but... well, I won't go into details on 2.1 in the Pre/Pre+ ;)
Jun 15 19:13:02 <sugardave> LOOK, A PUPPY!
Jun 15 19:13:14 <eurisko> yeah, i tried one device pre with 2.1
Jun 15 19:13:22 * NuttyBunny plays with a puppy
Jun 15 19:13:42 <eurisko> i have never seen a palm, the interface was great but some glitches from time to time
Jun 15 19:13:56 <eurisko> a friend from us showed me the cellphone.
Jun 15 19:14:08 <NuttyBunny> what kind of glitches? slowliness?
Jun 15 19:14:18 <eurisko> yeah like slow
Jun 15 19:14:38 <eurisko> it was kind strange because it's just from time to time
Jun 15 19:14:52 <eurisko> most of time the phone was pretty responsive
Jun 15 19:15:04 <eurisko> more than my iphone 3g ;)
Jun 15 19:15:39 <NuttyBunny> yep, memory management, garbage collection, and the fact that everything runs at the same time, unlike the iPhone and friends
Jun 15 19:16:26 <NuttyBunny> ok, second try: Enyo: Anyone can help me with creating components on the fly and adding them to controls?  LOOK!! ANOTHER PUPPY!!
Jun 15 19:18:14 <NuttyBunny> argh.. ok, going the official channel... *sigh*
Jun 15 19:19:51 <eurisko> is that look at a puppy a private joke or something?
Jun 15 19:20:18 <halfhalo> lets go with... yes
Jun 15 20:02:01 <twbbas> Is there a way to read a text file that is saved in the app's folder without using node.js?
Jun 15 20:02:29 <ryanwatkins> xmlhttprequest
Jun 15 20:03:19 <twbbas> I've tried an example off the web for doing that but I get the error that XMLHttpRequest has no method 'sent' from this line: xmlhttp.sent();
Jun 15 20:03:57 <twbbas> http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=196536
Jun 15 20:03:59 <ryanwatkins> huh?  issue a get request to the location for the file, then read the data in the response.
Jun 15 20:04:08 <twbbas> 4th post down
Jun 15 20:04:24 <twbbas> I know nothing about xmlhttprequest
Jun 15 20:05:12 <twbbas> oh nvm
Jun 15 20:05:16 <twbbas> I read a little bit further down
Jun 15 20:05:21 <twbbas> :D
Jun 15 20:05:30 <ryanwatkins> if this is 2.x then look at the examples of using the Prototype js if 3.x use the enyo wrapper instead.
Jun 15 20:05:50 <twbbas> 2 posts below that gave me the fix. I had to change sent to send
Jun 15 20:05:53 <twbbas> It works perfectly now
Jun 15 20:06:36 <ryanwatkins> yes, if you want to deal with the raw xmlhttprequest object.  there are other, easier ways tho if you use the framework
Jun 15 20:06:46 <twbbas> Alright, I'll look into that
Jun 15 20:06:49 <twbbas> Thanks.
Jun 15 20:06:57 <ryanwatkins> like you dont need to bother checking for the ActiveX version in webOS :)
Jun 15 20:08:05 <sugardave> twbbas: there's also PalmGetResource or something like that...search through the forum
Jun 15 20:10:05 <twbbas> ok
Jun 15 20:35:49 <NuttyBunny> STUPID OBJECTS!!!
Jun 15 20:40:34 <maik> brainfart (as my head is thinking in three different languages atm), in JS can you do val = foo || bar; ?
Jun 15 20:45:16 <sugardave> maik: yes
Jun 15 20:45:40 <maik> will behave as i expect though?  so if foo is undefined it will use bar ?
Jun 15 20:45:44 <maik> will it*
Jun 15 20:45:47 <sugardave> that's right
Jun 15 20:45:51 <maik> oh, excellent
Jun 15 20:46:12 <sugardave> you see it all the time with namespaces:  var MyNS == MyNS || {};
Jun 15 20:46:22 <sugardave> s/==/=/
Jun 15 20:46:23 <maik> well, i don't... :)
Jun 15 20:46:28 <sugardave> heh
Jun 15 20:48:26 <maik> hmm, is there any wonkiness when dealing with truthy values?
Jun 15 20:48:59 <maik> er, rather, is there any wonkiness when dealing with truthy values in cookies, should i just convert those to their numerical representations?
Jun 15 20:48:59 <Popple3> note to self: Stop doing val = (foo != undefined ? foo : bar);
Jun 15 20:51:27 <sugardave> maik: up to you, but I think I've used booleans in my cookies without issue
Jun 15 21:02:20 <dohtem> Popple3: sigh.. Im not the only one :)
Jun 15 21:11:08 <ryanwatkins> note to self #3
Jun 15 21:27:20 <dohtem_> http://csslint.net/ -- CSS Lint.
Jun 15 21:29:00 <maik> heh, nice tag line
Jun 15 21:29:22 <dohtem> JSLint claims that too :)
Jun 15 21:40:25 <haeffb> bugs in the [redacted] in [redacted] make me cry
Jun 15 21:41:28 <maik> have you tried [redacted] ?
Jun 15 21:42:04 <sugardave> haeffb: I saw your email...any traction?
Jun 15 21:43:09 <Popple3> sure [redacted] isn't that [redacted], just like the [redacted] in the [redacted]
Jun 15 21:43:24 <haeffb> nope
Jun 15 21:43:27 <haeffb> no response
Jun 15 21:46:04 <ryanwatkins> way too many posts per day in the [redacted] forum now
Jun 15 21:46:29 <dohtem> some fun ones too!
Jun 15 21:46:47 <sugardave> I can't even keep up
Jun 15 21:46:57 * ryanwatkins *hates* phpbb.
Jun 15 21:47:34 <dohtem> 16 days till the TouchPad drops...
Jun 15 21:48:13 <maik> funfunfun
Jun 15 21:48:29 <ryanwatkins> need something like stackoverflow where users are encouraged to search for an answer, not scan the subjects of a couple recent posts and then just ask all over again.
Jun 15 21:49:03 <ryanwatkins> "so, I cant get @font-face to work .. why?"
Jun 15 21:49:04 <dohtem> ryanwatkins: search bar at the bottom of the forum works.
Jun 15 21:49:12 <ryanwatkins> ya, the one people cant find either?
Jun 15 21:49:20 <chuqui> ryanwatkins:  yup. we need that.
Jun 15 21:49:39 <sugardave> I like the one on the left side
Jun 15 21:49:52 <ryanwatkins> some people like the one in the header too, but thats no good.
Jun 15 21:50:09 <dohtem> sugardave: you have to back out to the forum root to use that.  And it searches *all* subforums
Jun 15 21:51:14 <sugardave> I know, but it was the one that I used when I saw it searched the forums I was interested in
Jun 15 21:51:24 <dohtem> sometimes you just want to search [redacted]
Jun 15 21:51:46 <sugardave> yeah, usually my search string limits it there anyway
Jun 15 21:51:58 <ryanwatkins> chuqui: when you need to justify the cost for getting something better you can explain how its unwieldy with the current traffic, much less when the platform really takes off.  :)
Jun 15 21:52:28 <chuqui> ryanwatkins:  cost is not the issue.
Jun 15 21:52:46 <ryanwatkins> cost being not just a license, but someone to integrate it.
Jun 15 21:53:15 <chuqui> ryanwatkins:  it's dependent on other things that we haven't been able to make happen yet.
Jun 15 21:53:50 <dohtem> sugardave: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/webos
Jun 15 21:54:07 <ryanwatkins> certainly lower on the pole than, say getting webos 3.0 out
Jun 15 21:54:49 <chuqui> ryanwatkins:  yup. and in-app purchasing, which is one of the things that ate resources we needed on teh server side.
Jun 15 21:55:19 <ryanwatkins> hmm, maybe I should tag my question "webos" - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6274284/how-to-re-enable-inspect-element-overlay-in-chrome-when-started-with-command-line
Jun 15 21:55:41 <dohtem> not yet
Jun 15 21:55:48 <sugardave> dohtem: cool, I had no idea
Jun 15 21:56:13 <dohtem> sugardave: unwiredben used to answer questions there.
Jun 15 21:58:24 <sebastianha> When I open the account app and take a look at the "Palm Profile" I saw on an other device that there is the name of the owner underneath. On my device the name is missing, there is just standing "Palm Profile". Anyone else experienced this?
Jun 15 22:00:41 <twbbas> Did you bypass activation?
Jun 15 22:00:55 <sebastianha> no
Jun 15 22:01:01 <twbbas> I don't know then
Jun 15 22:01:05 <sebastianha> it's just a very old profile
Jun 15 22:01:13 <sebastianha> used with a number of devices
Jun 15 22:01:42 <twbbas> At the same time?
Jun 15 22:01:48 <sebastianha> no
Jun 15 22:01:51 <twbbas> k just wondering
Jun 15 22:01:52 <twbbas> lol
Jun 15 22:02:16 <sebastianha> I created it with a pre-, then used pixi, pre+ and now pre2
Jun 15 22:03:13 <chuqui> ryanwatkins: I like the overflow design; whatever comes next, I want to look a lot like it. I don't think it's perfect, it's pretty good.
Jun 15 22:03:25 <chuqui> ryanwatkins:  and what we have right now (phpbb) isn't ahem my favorite.
Jun 15 22:04:53 <ryanwatkins> stackoverflow doesnt lend itself to alot of conversation or bug reporting, but it does work very well to promote searching and getting definitive answers to questions.
Jun 15 22:05:29 <chuqui> ryanwatkins:  that's one thing I don't like about it/ and conversation builds community.
Jun 15 22:05:37 <ryanwatkins> i just really dislike revisiting the questions again and again, the wandering conversation of a thread, and the poor searching.  not to speak of how it renders ... poorly on a phone.
Jun 15 22:06:36 <ryanwatkins> i think there is a place for community discussion, but its likely not the same place for developers wanting hard answers to programming questions to get their job done.
Jun 15 22:07:22 <dohtem> ryanwatkins: I use webos101.com for quick answers
Jun 15 22:07:35 <ryanwatkins> not so much for enyo at the moment tho.
Jun 15 22:08:14 <twbbas> There are 2wks 1day 5hrs 53mins 8secs until the HP TouchPad launches
Jun 15 22:08:20 <twbbas> Heh
Jun 15 22:08:35 <ryanwatkins> got an enyo app for that? :)
Jun 15 22:08:58 * haeffb has 5 days to decide what I want to do when I grow up.
Jun 15 22:09:07 <twbbas> lol, I should totally make an app that counts down to the next device release
Jun 15 22:09:40 <ryanwatkins> haeffb: undertaker
Jun 15 22:10:35 <dohtem> haeffb: Neurobiologist
Jun 15 22:10:46 <ryanwatkins> haeffb: president!
Jun 15 22:11:07 <haeffb> beachcomber
Jun 15 22:11:15 <dohtem> haeffb: Arby's menu designer!
Jun 15 22:11:32 <ryanwatkins> good choice.
Jun 15 22:11:42 <haeffb> margarita sipper
Jun 15 22:12:50 * ryanwatkins wonders how long it takes dev relations to ship a tablet shaped box from the west coast to the east coast ...
Jun 15 22:14:29 <chuqui> when in doujbt, reboot
Jun 15 22:14:37 <ryanwatkins> amen
Jun 15 22:17:15 <dohtem> sounds like Duke Nukem Forever wasn't worth the wait.
Jun 15 22:19:44 <Popple3> dohtem: Bought it, never opened it, read about it, returned it, buying Ocarina of Time on Friday
Jun 15 22:20:22 <dohtem> haha
Jun 15 22:20:30 <chuqui> dohtem: did anyone really think it would be?
Jun 15 22:22:19 <dohtem> chuqui: me :(
Jun 15 22:22:30 <Popple3> I'm most looking forward to Timesplitters 4. I'm just hoping it doesn't end up being vapourware
Jun 15 22:22:57 <dohtem> I remember the first Timesplitters on the GC.  That was a rush
Jun 15 22:23:13 <dohtem> the ex-Rare guys did that, right?
Jun 15 22:23:19 <Popple3> yeah
Jun 15 22:23:25 <Popple3> awesome game series
Jun 15 22:24:57 <chuqui> dohtem:  heh. I sympathize, but even if it was a good game, it could neve rlive up to the hype it built up over the years. adn if it was a good game, someone would have shipped it by now.
Jun 15 22:25:13 <chuqui> dohtem:  movies that "sleep in the can" rarely surprise you for their quality, too...
Jun 15 22:26:06 <oilsworkn> should have stayed vaporware
Jun 15 22:42:31 <maik> is discussing [redacted] permissible in PM?
Jun 15 22:42:43 <ryanwatkins> how will they know?
Jun 15 22:43:08 <maik> AYCH PEEE OPERATIVES IN TEH MY PC!
Jun 15 22:43:38 <ryanwatkins> unless of course your friend .. RATS YOU OUT!
Jun 15 22:45:35 <sugardave> maik: it is
Jun 15 22:46:13 <maik> sugardave: available for PM? :)
Jun 15 22:47:10 <sugardave> maik: sure, I can try :D
Jun 15 23:07:50 <Boopop> so...my pre 2's screen rocks a little when I press on the gesture area :(
Jun 15 23:08:25 <Boopop> If I make use of my warranty, how long will it take to get the new phone?
Jun 15 23:23:07 <haeffb> so, a regexp to replace any number of trailing spaces with the same number of "&nbsp;" would be.... ?
Jun 15 23:23:19 <halfhalo> in js?
Jun 15 23:23:32 <haeffb> yep
Jun 15 23:23:59 <halfhalo> str.replace(/\s/g,"&nbsp")
Jun 15 23:24:33 <haeffb> but only if they're on the end of the string... ?
Jun 15 23:25:30 <halfhalo> oh, heh
Jun 15 23:25:31 <haeffb> "this is a string with trailing spaces    "
Jun 15 23:25:41 <dohtem> is it possible to change our palm dev username?
Jun 15 23:25:48 <halfhalo> thats a tad more complicated.
Jun 15 23:26:25 <halfhalo> theres them fancy regex end of string thingie which i cant remember
Jun 15 23:26:47 <maik> $
Jun 15 23:27:39 <maik> str.replace(/\s*$/"&nbsp;"); maybe
Jun 15 23:30:08 <maik> str.replace(/\s*$/, "&nbsp;"); rather
Jun 15 23:32:45 <haeffb> n$ Matches any string with n at the end of it
Jun 15 23:33:05 <haeffb> so that's not quite right
Jun 15 23:35:20 <haeffb> [ \t]+$
Jun 15 23:35:28 <dohtem> Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems.  :)
Jun 15 23:35:41 <haeffb> yep
Jun 15 23:36:06 <haeffb> might be easier to go to the end of the string and start counting backwards
Jun 15 23:37:46 * oil is wondering why the trailing spaces are important?
Jun 15 23:40:37 <haeffb> .replace(/[ ]+$/, "&nbsp;");
Jun 15 23:40:48 <haeffb> that replaces them all with one &nbsp;
Jun 15 23:40:57 <haeffb> oil: because the user put them there
Jun 15 23:41:06 <haeffb> presumably for a valid reason
Jun 15 23:41:12 <oil> weirds
Jun 15 23:43:27 <ryanwatkins> dohtem: one of my all time fav quotes
Jun 15 23:45:43 <ryanwatkins> emulator, why you no like alpha channel?
Jun 15 23:48:14 <dohtem> Y U NO*
Jun 15 23:48:27 <oil> heh
Jun 15 23:48:30 <dohtem> I spend too much time on reddit :(
Jun 15 23:54:08 <singmajesty> This new KVM is sweet!
Jun 15 23:54:28 <singmajesty> I just got a KVM to switch between my laptop and desktop -- I can hit a hotkey and instantly change over
Jun 15 23:54:36 <oil> yeah
Jun 15 23:54:45 <singmajesty> It was the only one in the store in Fry's that supported DVI and didn't cost $220
Jun 15 23:54:52 <oil> i use a 4 port at work
Jun 15 23:55:11 <oil> to switch between a server, my desktop and 2 spots for machines being worked on to plug in
Jun 15 23:55:28 <singmajesty> Ah, do you work in IT, or?
Jun 15 23:55:34 <oil> yeah
Jun 15 23:55:47 <oil> for a local fruit company
Jun 15 23:55:56 <singmajesty> Yeah, that makes sense. That's a lot easier than having to dedicate a space for a computer that needs help
Jun 15 23:56:07 <oil> we also write all the software for sales/product management/quality/accounting/wtc
Jun 15 23:56:09 <oil> etc*
Jun 15 23:56:19 <singmajesty> California?
Jun 15 23:56:25 <oil> washington state
Jun 15 23:56:28 <singmajesty> Ah. Cool
Jun 15 23:56:42 <singmajesty> Yeah, my sister used to work in the office at a strawberry plant
Jun 15 23:56:59 <singmajesty> I used to think that the people who lived in Washington had it best -- better than Oregon
Jun 15 23:57:05 <singmajesty> Much better taxes
Jun 15 23:57:14 <oil> heh
Jun 15 23:57:17 <singmajesty> ...but sales tax free shopping if they really wanted to go to Oregon
Jun 15 23:57:25 <singmajesty> Oh, and you can pump your own gas
Jun 15 23:57:27 <singmajesty> That rocks
Jun 15 23:57:28 <oil> which people do
Jun 15 23:57:30 <singmajesty> God bless America
Jun 15 23:57:32 <oil> yeah, we do pump our own haha
Jun 15 23:57:52 <oil> its weird that thats someones job
Jun 15 23:57:57 <oil> probably a lot safer
Jun 15 23:58:06 <singmajesty> When I moved to Oregon, I paid so much income tax, it was like California income tax, plus 11% sales tax on EVERY DIME I MADE
Jun 15 23:58:21 <singmajesty> I tried to tell Portland people that they aren't saving money by having no sales tax
Jun 15 23:58:46 <singmajesty> I would take 7.8% sales tax (which doesn't apply to bills, rent, food, etc) over Oregon taxes any day
Jun 15 23:59:09 <oil> lol
Jun 15 23:59:53 <singmajesty> I liked how easy it was to find a midwife or an organic grocery store in Oregon, but I'm happy in California
Jun 16 00:00:05 <Boopop> so...my pre 2's screen rocks a little when I press on the gesture area :(
Jun 16 00:00:08 <singmajesty> Though I still wouldn't mind less taxes
Jun 16 00:00:09 <Boopop> If I make use of my warranty, how long will it take to get the new phone?
Jun 16 00:00:14 * haeffb can count the number of times I've been killed or seriously injured pumping gas on one hand
Jun 16 00:00:25 <singmajesty> I have a new Pre 2, and it has a little bit of play in the slider
Jun 16 00:00:32 <Boopop> yes but
Jun 16 00:00:44 <singmajesty> I don't think its a problem, unless "rocks a little" is like a tiny ship in a tsunami
Jun 16 00:00:47 <oil> haeffb: i've seen people drive off with the hose still hooked to their car
Jun 16 00:00:48 <Boopop> like I say, the screen goes down a bit when I press on the gesture area
Jun 16 00:00:52 <Boopop> it didn't when I got it =/
Jun 16 00:00:52 <Tibfib> hello
Jun 16 00:00:59 <oil> aw, no more _uk
Jun 16 00:01:01 <haeffb> .match(/[ ]+$/)
Jun 16 00:01:10 <haeffb> oil: I've seen dumb people, too.
Jun 16 00:01:12 <Tibfib> nooopppe
Jun 16 00:01:15 <Tibfib> I'm sad too
Jun 16 00:01:16 <oil> haha
Jun 16 00:01:25 <oil> http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/104/569/original/lj-webos.png
Jun 16 00:01:41 <haeffb> so, using match, I can get a string that contains only the trailing whitespaces, then replace each of those with the &nbsp;
Jun 16 00:01:52 <singmajesty> Boopop: If it helps at all, I tend to open my Pre, Pre Plus or Pre 2 with a thumb below the screen, and slide it open that way. Seems to work fine
Jun 16 00:01:58 <dohtem> oil: those colors are rad
Jun 16 00:02:02 <oil> heh
Jun 16 00:02:03 <singmajesty> I'm not really sure how long warranty would take, though, if you went that route
Jun 16 00:02:14 <haeffb> perhaps not the optimum way to do it, but it works
Jun 16 00:02:50 <singmajesty> Oh, cool, you made LJ for webOS?
Jun 16 00:02:58 <Boopop> thanks singmajesty, but it's not when I've opened it, it's after I've opened it
Jun 16 00:03:13 <Boopop> I use the gesture area when it's open and it pushes down a little
Jun 16 00:03:25 <singmajesty> Ah, I see
Jun 16 00:03:35 <Boopop> I bet yours doesn't do that :p
Jun 16 00:03:41 <singmajesty> Yeah, maybe not :)
Jun 16 00:03:53 <singmajesty> If it is any consolation, the slider on the Pre 3 is hard as a rock
Jun 16 00:03:54 <oil> i didn't make that app
Jun 16 00:03:59 <oil> http://www.precentral.net/developer-spotlight-greg-stoll
Jun 16 00:04:02 <singmajesty> ...but I know we need to wait for those
Jun 16 00:04:15 <singmajesty> Ah, okay
Jun 16 00:04:21 <Boopop> I think I'm going to talk to palm support tomorrow
Jun 16 00:04:28 <Boopop> see what they say
Jun 16 00:04:30 <singmajesty> I was going to say, "Hey, thanks! You're one of the only developers who worked with me for a cross-app launch"
Jun 16 00:04:47 <singmajesty> Boopop: Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry about that
Jun 16 00:04:50 * ryanwatkins just discovered "tap and hold" on the virtual keyboard today - woot for access to the @ sign!
Jun 16 00:04:53 <ryanwatkins> leaving work.  means packing up 4 phones a tablet and a laptop.
Jun 16 00:04:57 <oil> whats your app?
Jun 16 00:05:03 <singmajesty> Bible Reader
Jun 16 00:05:10 <Boopop> Thanks for your help everyone :)
Jun 16 00:05:13 <oil> nice
Jun 16 00:05:13 <singmajesty> Well, and MineHX, Hoops and Whack-A-Mole
Jun 16 00:05:30 <singmajesty> ...but Bible Reader is the one that has some blog interaction, via LJ for webOS and Tumblbox
Jun 16 00:05:55 <oil> thats cool
Jun 16 00:06:01 <oil> perfect fit for a bible app
Jun 16 00:06:26 <singmajesty> I wanted to find a developer who made a Twitter app who would support a cross-app launch
Jun 16 00:06:39 <oil> dont a lot of them already have the params?
Jun 16 00:06:52 <singmajesty> In the end, however, I figured that the average Bible verse doesn't necessarily fit in a tweet
Jun 16 00:07:00 <singmajesty> If they do now, that's great. They didn't use to
Jun 16 00:07:06 <singmajesty> used to
Jun 16 00:07:17 <oil> oh
Jun 16 00:07:22 <singmajesty> The Facebook app does, which is great
Jun 16 00:07:37 <singmajesty> I love how webOS apps can work together, while most other developers have to support every feature themselves
Jun 16 00:07:45 <oil> yeah
Jun 16 00:07:51 <singmajesty> Makes more sense to let each app do their thing well, and work together
Jun 16 00:10:01 <haeffb> oh, and fyi, the match returns an array, not a string.
Jun 16 00:10:07 <haeffb> duh.
Jun 16 00:10:09 <oil> lol
Jun 16 00:10:22 <haeffb> spaces.length === 1
Jun 16 00:10:23 <oil> haeffb: ill make ya something :)
Jun 16 00:10:31 <haeffb> spaces[0].length = 5
Jun 16 00:11:57 <singmajesty> Was talking to someone about Android development, and was describing the toolchain and steps to C development on the platform
Jun 16 00:12:26 <singmajesty> I'm talking about Apache Ant, and how it fails to find Java and gets upset about spaces, and the person I'm talking to says "Upset about spaces? What is this, 1995?"
Jun 16 00:12:30 <singmajesty> I thought that was a fun comment :)
Jun 16 00:12:47 <singmajesty> I know you guys aren't talking about spaces in directory paths, but it came to mind
Jun 16 00:13:28 <haeffb> oil: here's the brute force method:  http://pastebin.com/y5BNMWYY
Jun 16 00:13:45 <dohtem> that was when they recommended you install java in c:\java
Jun 16 00:13:46 <oil> lol
Jun 16 00:14:10 <halfhalo> silly hava, spaces are for... i got nothing
Jun 16 00:14:16 <oil> in wirc we actually use
Jun 16 00:14:18 <oil> .replace(/[\s]{2}/g, " &nbsp;")
Jun 16 00:14:36 <oil> so 'foo       bar' is correct'
Jun 16 00:14:48 <singmajesty> I enjoyed talking to some of the developers at Palm to describe to them how good the tools are. They had no idea
Jun 16 00:14:55 <singmajesty> C++ on webOS looks like this:
Jun 16 00:14:57 <haeffb> excecpt an extra 0 got in there somehow...  				if (spaces = lines[i].match(/[ ]+$/)) {
Jun 16 00:15:12 <oil> just use .replace(/[\s]{2}/g, " &nbsp;") :)
Jun 16 00:15:12 <singmajesty> Install the SDK, install Sourcery G++, go!
Jun 16 00:15:30 <Tibfib> there are some underscore functions to trim spacing
Jun 16 00:15:31 <singmajesty> novaterm, vi and gdb for debugging. Write a Linux app and it basically transfers over
Jun 16 00:15:36 <haeffb> only the trailing spaces, though
Jun 16 00:15:37 <singmajesty> C++ on Android looks like this:
Jun 16 00:15:53 <haeffb> although, now that I think about it, why should I care if they're trailing or not.
Jun 16 00:15:56 <Tibfib> haeffb: I think there's a real one
Jun 16 00:15:57 * haeffb overcomplicates things
Jun 16 00:16:00 <oil> haeffb: so if they post 'foo            bar         ' they would see 'foo bar          ' ?
Jun 16 00:16:15 <singmajesty> Install the SDK, install the right packages (can be hard to figure out), install the NDK (which used to be broken, maybe better now?), install JDK, install ANT, set up a bunch of environment variables, cross your fingers
Jun 16 00:16:22 <singmajesty> Then it gets much, much worse
Jun 16 00:16:31 <Tibfib> haeffb https://github.com/funkatron/underscore.string
Jun 16 00:16:36 <Tibfib> _.clean
Jun 16 00:16:46 <Tibfib> I love underscore
Jun 16 00:16:52 <dohtem> singmajesty: you do Android dev?
Jun 16 00:17:28 <haeffb> Tibfib: the goal is to replace xx number of trailing spaces with xx number of "&nbsp;"
Jun 16 00:17:38 <Tibfib> oh
Jun 16 00:17:43 * Tibfib should pay attention
Jun 16 00:17:59 <oil> because spaces at the end are important, but not spaces between words :)
Jun 16 00:18:01 <singmajesty> I was doing Android development to improve haXe support on the platform
Jun 16 00:18:32 <singmajesty> So I was working through the build process, improving file I/O, sound, rendering and other elements that didn't translate over
Jun 16 00:18:47 <Tibfib> haeffb: https://github.com/funkatron/underscore.string/blob/master/lib/underscore.string.js#L49
Jun 16 00:18:59 <Tibfib> can't you make a custom function based on that one?
Jun 16 00:19:14 <Tibfib> like, specify how many spaces to replace, or what?
Jun 16 00:19:21 <singmajesty> So I have done some Java, and have a pretty good feel for what C/C++ development looks like on the platform, using JNI, their OpenGL stage, etc.
Jun 16 00:20:38 <dohtem> https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/81115804636155906 <- oh dear
Jun 16 00:21:50 <oil> haha
Jun 16 00:22:17 * halfhalo waits for cia to take revenge.
Jun 16 00:23:23 <halfhalo> look! black helicoptors!
Jun 16 00:23:54 * haeffb has gone to replacing all spaces with &nbsp;
Jun 16 00:23:59 <haeffb> so, never mind
Jun 16 00:24:28 <oil> lol
Jun 16 00:26:03 <singmajesty> I went to check a recent project I was working on, because I knew that I had to do a string replace of spaces
Jun 16 00:26:16 <singmajesty> ...then I realized that I had given up on doing it with Javascript, and used PHP instead
Jun 16 00:26:38 <singmajesty> str_replace (" ", "Hello World!");
Jun 16 00:27:28 <singmajesty> Oops. str_replace ("Hi", "Hello", "Hi World!");
Jun 16 00:28:03 <singmajesty> Wait, does this work?
Jun 16 00:28:04 <singmajesty> "H e l l o W o r l d".replace(/\s/g,'');
Jun 16 00:28:17 <singmajesty> "H e l l o W o r l d".replace(/\s/g,'&nbsp;');
Jun 16 00:28:53 <singmajesty> Oh, trailing spaces. Sorry.
Jun 16 00:29:28 <singmajesty> http://www.qodo.co.uk/blog/javascript-trim-leading-and-trailing-spaces
Jun 16 00:29:48 <Popple3> what exactly are you trying to do? O.o
Jun 16 00:29:52 <Tibfib> _.trim is also in underscore
Jun 16 00:30:11 <oil> lol
Jun 16 00:30:22 <singmajesty> Wow, you can use an underscore as a legal variable name in Javascript?
Jun 16 00:30:34 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 16 00:30:36 <oil> its awesome like that
Jun 16 00:30:37 <oil> haha
Jun 16 00:31:06 <singmajesty> Funny
Jun 16 00:31:29 <singmajesty> That is the kind of stuff that makes it tricky to write Javascript code with haXe :)
Jun 16 00:33:35 <singmajesty> code completion makes it worth it.
Jun 16 00:35:15 <singmajesty> underscore.t
Jun 16 00:35:15 <singmajesty>    -> tap
Jun 16 00:35:15 <singmajesty>    -> toArray
Jun 16 00:35:15 <singmajesty>    ->
Jun 16 00:35:38 <summatusmentis> I like code completion, but I feel like I'm a better programmer when I don't use it
Jun 16 00:35:43 <summatusmentis> I rely on it too much
Jun 16 00:36:04 <singmajesty> Good code completion is like a good terminal
Jun 16 00:36:17 <singmajesty> You know how the "real" terminal people use tab completion for everything?
Jun 16 00:36:23 <summatusmentis> I mean, yes
Jun 16 00:36:27 <summatusmentis> I like tab completion a lot
Jun 16 00:36:32 <singmajesty> It becomes a shorthand way of jamming through code
Jun 16 00:36:37 <singmajesty> Well, yes, and not having to memorize everything
Jun 16 00:36:54 <summatusmentis> I don't disagree, it's nice to have
Jun 16 00:37:04 <dohtem> I like VS code completion.
Jun 16 00:37:18 <singmajesty> I liked VS code completion until I used FlashDevelop
Jun 16 00:37:23 <summatusmentis> but at least in Eclipse, the code completion options mean I don't have to know the APIs
Jun 16 00:38:40 <singmajesty> I'm excited about the Enyo+haXe project I'm working on
Jun 16 00:38:57 <singmajesty> I can type "new enyo." and it will pop out with every kind
Jun 16 00:39:12 <dohtem> FlashDevelop, you say
Jun 16 00:39:17 <singmajesty> ...then it will walk me through the valid parameters for each one
Jun 16 00:39:48 <singmajesty> Yeah, I really like the code completion in FlashDevelop. It's very fast, and provides some more completion for things than I used to get in Visual Studio...
Jun 16 00:39:59 <singmajesty> ...but the key thing is that FlashDevelop has the best code completion for Flash or haXe
Jun 16 00:40:15 <singmajesty> So really, Visual Studio or FlashDevelop has depended on whether I'm writing a .NET application, or something else
Jun 16 00:40:31 <singmajesty> If I'm using Windows
Jun 16 00:44:44 <singmajesty> The big shift in using Enyo with code completion is that it isn't based as much on generic objects
Jun 16 00:45:14 <singmajesty> So { name: "Button", kind: enyo.Control, label: "Hello World!" } becomes something like...
Jun 16 00:45:26 <singmajesty> var button = new Button ();
Jun 16 00:45:26 <singmajesty> button.label = "Hello World";
Jun 16 00:46:04 <singmajesty> So it feels a little bit different, even though both would be valid Javascript for the same result
Jun 16 00:53:00 <dohtem> hmmm.. in the 'My Apps' dashboard, there's now a 'Add Item'
Jun 16 00:53:16 <dohtem> under 'In-App Items'
Jun 16 00:53:48 <Tibfib> hasn't that been there a while?
Jun 16 00:54:31 <dohtem> just noticed it.  I dont think I saw that the last time
Jun 16 00:54:41 <Tibfib> I think it's been there since they announced it
Jun 16 00:55:18 * dohtem must be late to the party  :(
Jun 16 00:56:06 <Tibfib> hmm. I wish my sales reports were the same as my metrix results
Jun 16 00:58:56 <dawm> Tibfib, i know right?
Jun 16 00:59:41 <dawm> In-App Item Pre-submission Apps
Jun 16 00:59:41 <dawm> If you would like to sell In-App products, you can create Test Apps to test them or click on the Add products link to an existing app. Create your products, make sure they function correctly in the test environment and submit your items for review. Once approved, you can start selling immediately.  Learn more
Jun 16 00:59:49 <Tibfib> yeah I just saw that too!
Jun 16 00:59:58 <Tibfib> dawm: it would be awesome.
Jun 16 01:00:17 <dawm> i wish they would hurry up and figure out what they are gonna do to us with legacy devices..
Jun 16 01:01:40 <dawm> um..
Jun 16 01:01:59 <dawm> why do i have promo downloads..
Jun 16 01:02:06 <Tibfib> :O
Jun 16 01:02:07 <dawm> i have no promo codes setup..
Jun 16 01:02:12 <Tibfib> oh
Jun 16 01:02:14 <Tibfib> that's okay
Jun 16 01:02:19 <Tibfib> well kinda
Jun 16 01:02:22 <dawm> im not getting paid for them.
Jun 16 01:02:31 <dawm> 13 via promo
Jun 16 01:02:32 <Tibfib> palm gives out app promo codes with veers
Jun 16 01:02:35 <Tibfib> or something like that
Jun 16 01:02:45 <dawm> ok i can understand that
Jun 16 01:02:54 <dawm> but ive got numbers in both HP promo and Your Promo*
Jun 16 01:02:57 <dawm> * = unpaid
Jun 16 01:03:02 <Tibfib> oh. that sucks
Jun 16 01:03:06 <dawm> so theyre giving my app way and not paying me?
Jun 16 01:03:15 <dawm> thats $20 im out
Jun 16 01:03:38 <Tibfib> dunno, ask palm :/
Jun 16 01:03:43 <dawm> thats a hassle..
Jun 16 01:04:06 <singmajesty> What is your app, dawm?
Jun 16 01:04:13 <dawm> is it PDN or PDC@palm.com ?
Jun 16 01:04:14 <dawm> swap&drop
Jun 16 01:04:22 <Tibfib> pdc I thought
Jun 16 01:08:01 <dawm> i hate writing angry emails
Jun 16 01:09:02 <singmajesty> I can ask about it
Jun 16 01:09:18 <singmajesty> Send me an email at joshua.granick@palm.com
Jun 16 01:09:31 <dawm> awesome
Jun 16 01:09:34 <dawm> ignore the angry tone :P
Jun 16 01:09:43 <singmajesty> hah, caution taken :)
Jun 16 01:10:18 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: you're a palm employee?
Jun 16 01:10:23 <dawm> its all your fault Tibfib, i wouldnt have looked at anything if you wouldnt have said anything
Jun 16 01:10:40 <Tibfib> dawm: I'm not mailing you your $20...
Jun 16 01:10:50 <dawm> lol
Jun 16 01:11:14 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: weren't you the one a couple days ago talking about loving webos dev on linux? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Jun 16 01:12:53 <singmajesty> Yeah, it might have been me :)
Jun 16 01:13:11 <summatusmentis> I guess I just assumed that meant you were new to webos dev :)
Jun 16 01:13:15 <summatusmentis> dang
Jun 16 01:13:21 <summatusmentis> now I feel like an ass
Jun 16 01:13:43 <Tibfib> hahahaha
Jun 16 01:15:16 <singmajesty> Well, I started using Linux full-time about three or four months ago
Jun 16 01:15:29 <dawm> its magical aint it
Jun 16 01:15:35 <singmajesty> So I'm not really new to webOS development, but I am rather new to the way things work in Linux
Jun 16 01:15:48 <summatusmentis> ah, see, that makes more sense.
Jun 16 01:15:57 <summatusmentis> still, sorry for assuming
Jun 16 01:15:59 <singmajesty> When I use Windows and work on Flash + FlashDevelop or .NET + VisualStudio I am pretty happy
Jun 16 01:16:11 <singmajesty> I am a lot happier working with C or C++ when I am in Linux
Jun 16 01:16:27 <singmajesty> I think we're going to have PDK support in the Linux SDK soon
Jun 16 01:16:33 <summatusmentis> I felt the same way, now I really like OS X
Jun 16 01:20:11 <dohtem> singmajesty: your name sounds familiar... were you at dev day in April last year?
Jun 16 01:20:26 <dawm|outoftown> cya, will be in WI for the weekend
Jun 16 01:21:43 <singmajesty> Umm, yeah, I was at developer day in Sunnyvale
Jun 16 01:21:50 <singmajesty> I wasn't an employee, but yeah
Jun 16 01:22:00 <dohtem> ha, I think i met you at the beer thing
Jun 16 01:22:04 <singmajesty> I didn't make it to New York
Jun 16 01:22:14 <singmajesty> Were we at the same table, or no?
Jun 16 01:22:30 * halfhalo was at the first devdays, and last weeks event
Jun 16 01:22:33 <dohtem> yeah, you drove down from roseville both days?
Jun 16 01:22:45 * Tibfib never been to a palm event
Jun 16 01:22:48 <dohtem> I was the guy from sacto.
Jun 16 01:23:46 <singmajesty> Yeah, that was me
Jun 16 01:23:51 <singmajesty> That was fun
Jun 16 01:24:32 <dohtem> crazy, that was like a year ago!
Jun 16 01:28:05 <singmajesty> Funny :)
Jun 16 01:30:23 <dohtem> Palm needs another dev day
Jun 16 01:30:32 * haeffb needs another dev day
Jun 16 01:30:37 <Tibfib> in texas or kc
Jun 16 01:30:42 <halfhalo> socal!
Jun 16 01:30:44 <Tibfib> texas is most likely
Jun 16 01:30:50 <Tibfib> (if not cal)
Jun 16 01:30:50 <haeffb> Tibfib: Agree!
Jun 16 01:30:56 <dohtem> Texas? is that still in the union?
Jun 16 01:31:03 <haeffb> some days
Jun 16 01:31:30 <singmajesty> We probably will visit more countries outside the United States
Jun 16 01:31:43 <singmajesty> ...but I would love to have more meetups or dev days
Jun 16 01:32:54 <Tibfib> texas texas texas texas
Jun 16 01:33:02 <Tibfib> that's basically another country
Jun 16 01:33:37 <singmajesty> I liked Texas when I lived there, but I like how California basically doesn't have bugs
Jun 16 01:33:49 <singmajesty> Not when you compare it to Texas bugs. Yikes!
Jun 16 01:33:59 <Tibfib> jealous
Jun 16 01:33:59 <singmajesty> Everything IS big in Texas
Jun 16 01:34:13 <Tibfib> kansas is pretty good with the bugs too
Jun 16 01:34:14 <singmajesty> Big cars, big freeways and big banana spiders
Jun 16 01:34:19 <Tibfib> (in a bad way)
Jun 16 01:34:54 <singmajesty> Yeah, the biggest bug we had in Northern California was a little black innocent beetle, maybe an inch, inch and a half in length
Jun 16 01:34:59 <dohtem> Tibfib: you guys win with the BBQs
Jun 16 01:35:10 <Tibfib> true
Jun 16 01:35:14 <singmajesty> Mostly, we'd get deer, squirrels, raccoons and other woodland animals
Jun 16 01:35:28 <dohtem> the occasional mountain lion
Jun 16 01:35:43 <dohtem> and black bears up in Tahoe
Jun 16 01:35:48 <singmajesty> http://barbequelovers.com/grills/bbq-smoker-pistol
Jun 16 01:35:57 <singmajesty> That grill is in Texas
Jun 16 01:36:01 <singmajesty> WIN
Jun 16 01:36:20 <Tibfib> doh
Jun 16 01:36:22 <Tibfib> dethroned
Jun 16 01:36:49 <singmajesty> We once saw a picture of a mountain lion at our post office with a warning. Turned out it was our driveway in the background, with one of our cats in the foreground, hissing.
Jun 16 01:38:27 <singmajesty> Tibfib, you're in Kansas?
Jun 16 01:38:35 <Tibfib> yep!
Jun 16 01:38:44 <singmajesty> Cool. I love how nice people are out there
Jun 16 01:39:23 <singmajesty> For example, 2 AM at a toll booth, the worker gives a big, genuine smile, waves and shouts, "Have a great day!"
Jun 16 01:39:24 <Tibfib> yeah, me too! I forget that kansas is unique like that... until I travel
Jun 16 01:39:33 <singmajesty> In California they hardly even make eye contact
Jun 16 01:41:04 <singmajesty> I like to eat food that feels light and fresh like avocado and other vegetables... not as into the kind of food you find at a potluck
Jun 16 01:41:34 <singmajesty> That's the thing I miss in the midwest sometimes, though it isn't impossible to find a grocery store with an organic food section
Jun 16 01:42:01 <singmajesty> If I had to pick, having good honest people is a lot better than most things
Jun 16 01:43:21 * Tibfib nods head in agreement
Jun 16 01:44:37 <singmajesty> (I lived in Missouri for a while, and spent several months calling churches 90-120 miles away from Kansas City)
Jun 16 01:46:13 <twbbas> I used to live in Kansas
Jun 16 01:46:15 <twbbas> I loved it there
Jun 16 01:48:08 <singmajesty> Maybe I should move
Jun 16 01:49:22 <dohtem> dude, you've lived everywhere!
Jun 16 01:49:39 <singmajesty> Yeah, maybe I should stop moving ;)
Jun 16 01:49:45 <singmajesty> Nevermind
Jun 16 01:50:07 <dohtem> nah, you have the rest of your life to settle down.. I say experience it now
Jun 16 01:51:27 <Tibfib> he's got a good point
Jun 16 01:53:20 * twbbas just found out he can undock the chrome console into a separate window. Win!
Jun 16 02:06:05 * singmajesty likes talking about himself in the third person
Jun 16 02:13:46 * haeffb is in Missouri
Jun 16 02:14:01 <twbbas> Tommy, you here?
Jun 16 02:14:14 <haeffb> but i don't call churches
Jun 16 02:14:21 <Tommy> twbbas: yeah what's up dude
Jun 16 02:14:45 <twbbas> Last night I said my cat looks like yours. Here's proof! http://twitpic.com/5c55qx
Jun 16 02:15:40 <Tommy> twbbas: wtf, he doesnt look like mine
Jun 16 02:15:44 <Tommy> he's ALL black in the face
Jun 16 02:16:01 <twbbas> where's your pic again?
Jun 16 02:16:56 <haeffb> there's less difference between those two cats than between any two random android phonez
Jun 16 02:17:16 <singmajesty> My wife used to live next to Joplin. It's weird when something catastrophic happens to a place you've visited or lived in before
Jun 16 02:17:56 <twbbas> Tommy, I scrolled up: http://oi56.tinypic.com/2i27if6.jpg
Jun 16 02:17:58 <Tommy> twbbas: http://oi52.tinypic.com/2sboj6p.jpg
Jun 16 02:18:01 <twbbas> My cat has a white patch
Jun 16 02:18:03 <twbbas> just like that
Jun 16 02:18:06 <Tommy> my boy's got a white chin
Jun 16 02:18:15 <Tommy> and a white eyebrow hair, and white whiskers
Jun 16 02:18:15 * halfhalo has a dog.  he wins
Jun 16 02:18:23 <Tommy> (sometimes he has 2 white eyebrow hairs, right now just one)
Jun 16 02:18:31 <singmajesty> They do look pretty similar
Jun 16 02:18:38 <twbbas> ah I see the chin on yours now
Jun 16 02:18:42 <singmajesty> It's like a Veer and a Pre 2
Jun 16 02:18:51 <twbbas> On mine, the white patch stops just before the chin
Jun 16 02:18:58 <Tommy> twbbas: yeah, it's not a great pic to show his chin, but from looking at your cat he's unmistakeably different
Jun 16 02:19:01 <twbbas> but other than that, they're identical
Jun 16 02:19:10 <Tommy> yeah pretty close
Jun 16 02:19:17 <Tommy> yours have white paws too?
Jun 16 02:19:21 <twbbas> yep
Jun 16 02:19:27 <twbbas> his name is Boots
Jun 16 02:19:29 <twbbas> because of that lol
Jun 16 02:19:37 <Tommy> he has a splash of white on his front paws and more white on the back
Jun 16 02:19:45 <twbbas> more white on back here too
Jun 16 02:19:55 <twbbas> He's sitting right next to me so I keep looking at him lol
Jun 16 02:20:04 <Tommy> my guy is roaming somewhere
Jun 16 02:20:10 <Tommy> always getting into shit
Jun 16 02:20:14 <twbbas> haha
Jun 16 02:21:02 * halfhalo has trutv on demand! this wont end well
Jun 16 02:40:46 <singmajesty> Whew. I think I've got all the Enyo "classes" finished now
Jun 16 02:40:51 <singmajesty> 123 files
Jun 16 02:41:14 <singmajesty> This is still going to rock when I'm done
Jun 16 02:41:21 <singmajesty> (At least for people like me ;)
Jun 16 02:45:10 <LoneStar99> 123 files, lots of code or lots images lol
Jun 16 02:48:22 <singmajesty> Code
Jun 16 02:48:40 <singmajesty> enyo.Control, enyo.CustomButton, enyo.Button, et al
Jun 16 02:48:53 <Loudergood> niiice
Jun 16 02:49:13 <singmajesty> It's completely awesome to be able to type "new enyo." and have it pop out with a huge list
Jun 16 02:49:16 <LoneStar99> right on killer, my enyo app is still one of the samples =(
Jun 16 02:49:30 <LoneStar99> singmajesty: sweet
Jun 16 02:49:43 <singmajesty> Then to create, say, a button and to have it pop out with allowDrag, caption, className and everything else
Jun 16 02:49:55 <cwayne1> lol bruins
Jun 16 02:50:13 <Tommy> fuck the bruins :(
Jun 16 02:50:20 <cwayne1> Tommy: HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
Jun 16 02:50:20 <Tommy> stupid canadians can't even beat boston
Jun 16 02:50:34 <Tommy> what're you laughin about? i'm not a canucks fan
Jun 16 02:50:40 <Tommy> i just want to see you miserable, i'll have to wait for next year
Jun 16 02:51:07 <cwayne1> Tommy: that much hate towards me already?
Jun 16 02:51:29 <Tommy> cwayne1: boston fans in general
Jun 16 02:51:43 <Tommy> boston/filthadelphia both deserve to have miserable fans
Jun 16 02:51:47 <Tommy> worst fans in the country
Jun 16 02:51:54 <Tommy> (and i'm not even a yankees fan! :o)
Jun 16 02:52:00 <cwayne1> Tommy: seriously? have you met a fucking yankees fan?
Jun 16 02:52:19 <Tommy> cwayne1: i live all around them
Jun 16 02:52:26 <Tommy> i lived around boston fans for 14 years
Jun 16 02:52:36 <Tommy> much more obnoxious, much more obsessed with hating, much less class
Jun 16 02:52:52 <cwayne1> im inclined to disagree
Jun 16 02:52:54 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 16 02:52:54 <Loudergood> you must be a yankees fan
Jun 16 02:52:56 <Tommy> i've been to sox/yanks games at both stadiums, friendly fenway is about as friendly as a dark alley with a rapist
Jun 16 02:53:10 <cwayne1> Tommy: i got fucking BATTERIES thrown at me
Jun 16 02:53:14 <cwayne1> for wearing a red hat.
Jun 16 02:53:19 <cwayne1> at yankee stadium
Jun 16 02:53:19 <Tommy> cwayne1: oh
Jun 16 02:53:25 <cwayne1> IT WASNT EVEN A RED SOX HAT IT WAS JUST RED
Jun 16 02:53:32 <Tommy> i was at a red sox/marlins game, and i said "look, the yankees are winning" to my friend
Jun 16 02:53:49 <Tommy> 35 year old guy in front of me stands up, turns around, and says "you like the yankees? so you must like it up the ass or somethin huh?"
Jun 16 02:53:54 <Tommy> ...i was like, 13 at the time
Jun 16 02:54:15 <cwayne1> Tommy: im not denying theres douchebags, but i disagree that it's all of them
Jun 16 02:54:21 <Tommy> never said it was all of them
Jun 16 02:54:28 <Tommy> i simply said boston fans are worse than yankees fans
Jun 16 02:54:34 <cwayne1> i tend to disagree
Jun 16 02:54:41 <cwayne1> sox fans dont throw batteries
Jun 16 02:54:41 <Tommy> at the fucking PATRIOTS PARADE you had yankees suck chants going
Jun 16 02:54:44 <Tommy> that's pathetic.
Jun 16 02:55:03 <Tommy> you care so much about hating new york, you make chants against them during a football parade... pathetic.
Jun 16 02:55:15 <cwayne1> you throw batteries at people
Jun 16 02:55:17 <cwayne1> and spit on them
Jun 16 02:55:18 <cwayne1> so
Jun 16 02:55:19 <Tommy> no, i don't.
Jun 16 02:55:29 <cwayne1> i dont hate new york either
Jun 16 02:55:40 <cwayne1> just the stereotypical yankee fan
Jun 16 02:55:49 <Tommy> you see 7 year olds on the T wearing shirts that say "Yankees Suck, Jeter Swallows"
Jun 16 02:55:56 <Tommy> kid's not even old enough to know what it means and he's already white trash, gg boston
Jun 16 02:56:15 <cwayne1> cant say ive ever seen that
Jun 16 02:56:18 <Tommy> how many shirts do you see talking about david ortiz sucking dick? i've never seen one
Jun 16 02:56:18 <Loudergood> welcome to america
Jun 16 02:56:28 <Tommy> LOL you've never seen a Jeter Swallows shirt? have you ever been outside fenway park after a game?
Jun 16 02:56:33 <Tommy> there are tons of vendors selling them
Jun 16 02:56:43 <cwayne1> ive never seen a 7 year old with it
Jun 16 02:56:46 <Tommy> okay
Jun 16 02:56:49 <cwayne1> and youre right
Jun 16 02:56:53 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 16 02:56:56 <cwayne1> saying mean things is worse than
Jun 16 02:57:00 <cwayne1> THROWING FUCKING BATTERIES AT PEOPLE
Jun 16 02:57:08 <Tommy> oh, so you think they don't throw anything at fenway?
Jun 16 02:57:09 <halfhalo> better than knifes
Jun 16 02:57:14 <Tommy> yankees fans don't get beer dumped on them and things thrown at them?
Jun 16 02:57:28 <Tommy> here's the biggest difference between yankees fans and red sox fans
Jun 16 02:57:37 <Tommy> yankees fans can be douchebags, at the stadium, during a game
Jun 16 02:57:48 <Tommy> red sox fans, it's ingrained in your culture, hating the yankees is part of living in massachusetts
Jun 16 02:58:26 <cwayne1> i can honestly say ive never seen shit thrown at yankees fans at fenway
Jun 16 02:58:30 <Tommy> so whether you're walking down the street, celebrating a super bowl, at a yankees game or taking a piss, you're ready to chant yankees suck without supporting your team at all... you care more about hating someone else than you do supporting your own team
Jun 16 02:58:32 <Tommy> it's sad.
Jun 16 02:58:34 <cwayne1> other than the general "hey youre a douche"
Jun 16 02:58:39 <Tommy> LOL
Jun 16 02:58:43 <Tommy> yeah, other than that
Jun 16 02:58:52 <cwayne1> still better than fucking batteries dude
Jun 16 02:58:57 <cwayne1> i had fucking welts on my back
Jun 16 02:59:07 <cwayne1> and the stupid cunt cops sat there and wathced it waiting to kick US out
Jun 16 02:59:13 <cwayne1> so yes, fuck the motherfucking yankees.
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