**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 16 02:59:57 2011
Jun 16 03:00:59 <Tommy> lol
Jun 16 03:01:19 <Tommy> yeah, at fenway the security guards are usually BC football players
Jun 16 03:01:26 <Tommy> i'm sure they do a lot to protect yankees fans
Jun 16 03:02:33 <cwayne1> they do
Jun 16 03:02:44 <cwayne1> ive seen them yell at sox fans for yelling at yankee fans
Jun 16 03:02:44 <Tommy> ....lol
Jun 16 03:02:46 <cwayne1> just yelling
Jun 16 03:02:48 <Tommy> mhm
Jun 16 03:03:08 <cwayne1> yep
Jun 16 03:03:19 <Tommy> you're jewish
Jun 16 03:03:20 <cwayne1> whens the last time you were in fenway?
Jun 16 03:03:24 <cwayne1> nope
Jun 16 03:03:29 <Tommy> hmm, that's a good question
Jun 16 03:03:38 <Tommy> haven't gone this season
Jun 16 03:04:14 <Tommy> '09
Jun 16 03:04:29 <Tommy> saw the mets play there
Jun 16 03:05:30 <cwayne1> was that when pedro was there?
Jun 16 03:05:46 <Tommy> was he on the mets at that time? hmm probably
Jun 16 03:05:48 <Tommy> he didnt pitch though
Jun 16 03:06:07 <cwayne1> well to be fair, most of the yankees suck chants probably included both fans
Jun 16 03:06:10 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 16 03:06:12 <summatusmentis> well, you know, some people have to catch >__>
Jun 16 03:06:40 <Tommy> cwayne1: i've heard yankees suck chants at red sox/braves games, red sox/marlins games, you name it
Jun 16 03:06:43 <cwayne1> but seriously, i went there for a mets/sox game, and as far as i saw, everyone was treated fine (with the exception of one superwasted guy being a douche)
Jun 16 03:06:43 <Tommy> random friggin teams
Jun 16 03:06:56 <Tommy> well sure, because you have no reason to hate the mets
Jun 16 03:06:59 <Tommy> at most you see us 3 times in a year
Jun 16 03:07:09 <Tommy> mets/sox have played 6 games since '05
Jun 16 03:07:19 <cwayne1> yeah
Jun 16 03:07:33 <cwayne1> so your gripe is specifcally with sox fans in respect to yankees fans?
Jun 16 03:07:52 <cwayne1> the people chanting yankees sucks everywhere arent the real fans
Jun 16 03:07:58 <cwayne1> theyre just douches
Jun 16 03:08:00 <cwayne1> ill agree with that
Jun 16 03:09:08 <Tommy> that's half of boston lol
Jun 16 03:09:15 <cwayne1> you said 'boston fans'
Jun 16 03:09:17 <cwayne1> they're not fans
Jun 16 03:09:30 <cwayne1> theyre the same as pink hats
Jun 16 03:09:33 <cwayne1> where after 04
Jun 16 03:09:40 <cwayne1> HAHAHA OH WOW I LOVE BASEBALLS
Jun 16 03:09:49 <Tommy> yeah, half of boston.
Jun 16 03:10:02 <cwayne1> im talking about fans.
Jun 16 03:10:05 <Tommy> yankees are up 3-0 in the ALCS, girl from my school says "i don't even like baseball"
Jun 16 03:10:09 <cwayne1> youre talking aout people.
Jun 16 03:10:10 * Loudergood blames lowell
Jun 16 03:10:13 <Tommy> 6 days later, when they win, her facebook status is "DAVID ORTIZ IS MY HERO"
Jun 16 03:10:23 <Tommy> ...thought you didn't care about baseballz? :o
Jun 16 03:10:42 <cwayne1> Tommy: yeah. not a fan.
Jun 16 03:10:52 <cwayne1> i gurantee you we hate those people more than you do
Jun 16 03:11:00 <cwayne1> im talking about ACTUAL boston fans
Jun 16 03:11:01 <cwayne1> like
Jun 16 03:11:05 * Tommy rolls eyes
Jun 16 03:11:12 <Tommy> dude i lived in MA for 14 years.
Jun 16 03:11:15 <cwayne1> people who watch the fucking games
Jun 16 03:11:22 <Tommy> i lived around those people, i live around these people
Jun 16 03:11:26 <Tommy> these people are not as bad. period.
Jun 16 03:11:41 <Tommy> and again, i'm not a yankees or a red sox fan, so i don't have any direct involvement in that
Jun 16 03:12:06 * cwayne1 has a riot outside from BU kids
Jun 16 03:12:06 <Tommy> one thing i will also say though, filthadelphia is 5x as bad as boston
Jun 16 03:12:21 <Tommy> haven't lived there, but they do build quite a reputation for themselves
Jun 16 03:12:51 <Tommy> you hear about the phils fan who was cussing behind a young girl and her dad? he turned around and said something about the guy's language, so he stuck a finger down his throat and threw up on them
Jun 16 03:12:52 <cwayne1> meh, hate boston if you want
Jun 16 03:13:01 <Tommy> oh i do, i don't need your permission lol
Jun 16 03:13:02 <cwayne1> Tommy: YES
Jun 16 03:13:08 <cwayne1> that guys a fucking dick
Jun 16 03:13:12 <Tommy> indeed.
Jun 16 03:13:18 <Tommy> typical filthadelphia fan
Jun 16 03:13:25 <cwayne1> Tommy: at least we can agree on that.
Jun 16 03:13:35 <cwayne1> which is a shame, cus the phillies were pretty legit
Jun 16 03:13:37 <Tommy> laser pointers aimed at albert pujols, snowballs at santa claus
Jun 16 03:14:04 <Tommy> lol the phillies sucked cock from 1993-2007, and in '07 the mets wouldve been in the playoffs instead of the phils if they'd gone 6-11 in their last 17 games instead of 5-12
Jun 16 03:14:19 <Tommy> and even then, the phils got swept by the rockies, who'd never won a postseason series, in 3 games.
Jun 16 03:14:42 <Tommy> and jimmy rollins got MVP with 1/3 of matt holliday's stats and 1/2 of david wright's stats
Jun 16 03:14:51 <Tommy> .294 > .325 > .344
Jun 16 03:15:09 <cwayne1> Tommy: lol
Jun 16 03:15:15 <cwayne1> im saying more recently for the phils
Jun 16 03:15:27 <Tommy> yeah, in '08, the worst calls in any world series in history
Jun 16 03:15:47 <Tommy> because when you're bud selig you gotta think, how much less money are you going to make if the Rays (fan base? lulz) win the world series instead of the phils
Jun 16 03:16:06 <cwayne1> ugh
Jun 16 03:16:11 <cwayne1> i fucking HATE selig so much
Jun 16 03:16:15 <cwayne1> and yes, 08 was disgusting
Jun 16 03:16:18 <Tommy> so then they make it to the WS again in '09
Jun 16 03:16:21 <cwayne1> absolutely fucking awful
Jun 16 03:16:24 <Tommy> and you're like, OMG LEGIT, 2nd world series in a row, dynasty?!
Jun 16 03:16:37 <Tommy> and then jimmy loudmouth rollins calls out, phillies in 5 games... didn't happen.
Jun 16 03:16:44 <cwayne1> me?
Jun 16 03:16:45 <Tommy> they got DOMINATED... not just beaten, they got beaten BADLY in that series
Jun 16 03:16:46 * PatrickC finally got another bd player today
Jun 16 03:16:55 <cwayne1> i never said theyre a dynasty, i just said they were legit
Jun 16 03:17:00 <cwayne1> in the regular season, they were
Jun 16 03:17:03 <Tommy> eh
Jun 16 03:17:05 <cwayne1> then they picked up roy halladay
Jun 16 03:17:14 <Tommy> '07 they never shouldve won the division, we can agree on that
Jun 16 03:17:20 <cwayne1> yea
Jun 16 03:17:23 <Tommy> '08 mets had a lead late too, choked again
Jun 16 03:17:28 <PatrickC> baseball?
Jun 16 03:17:39 <Tommy> not quite as hard, still, if they finished decent the mets wouldve been in instead of the phils in '07-'08
Jun 16 03:18:58 <Tommy> the only time the phillies really became something to worry about was when they traded for halladay and resigned lee, so now they're just another yankees
Jun 16 03:19:09 <Tommy> cwayne1: boston claims the yankees buy their world series, what about the phils now? :P
Jun 16 03:19:24 <cwayne1> Tommy: oh they do too
Jun 16 03:19:25 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 16 03:19:33 <Tommy> eggzachary
Jun 16 03:19:48 <Tommy> now watch, after this year the phils are going to sign reyes
Jun 16 03:19:50 <cwayne1> Tommy: i do have to say though, the yankees did get MUCH better at developing talen recently
Jun 16 03:19:52 <Tommy> and i'm going to flip the fuck out
Jun 16 03:20:03 <cwayne1> lolol
Jun 16 03:20:09 <PatrickC> webOSroundup Developer Spotlight: Patrick Campanale @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/webosroundup-developer-spotlight-patrick-campanale/
Jun 16 03:20:10 <Tommy> cwayne1: they were always good at growing talent, just never got credit for it
Jun 16 03:20:14 <Tommy> think of the best yankees teams of the past
Jun 16 03:20:21 <cwayne1> Tommy: no, they got much better
Jun 16 03:20:26 <Tommy> posada, jeter, cano (and before him soriano), bernie
Jun 16 03:20:28 <cwayne1> not best, just 97,98
Jun 16 03:20:43 <Tommy> paul o'neill wasn't originally a yankee but he was with us for a looong time
Jun 16 03:20:53 <Tommy> lol "us", the yankees.
Jun 16 03:20:57 <Tommy> with new york.
Jun 16 03:21:04 <cwayne1> Tommy: HAH SECRET YANKEE FAN
Jun 16 03:21:09 <Tommy> LOLZ NOOOOO
Jun 16 03:21:16 <Tommy> they're the home team, gotta gimme a break on that
Jun 16 03:21:19 * PatrickC doesn't keep up with enough baseball to know anything :P
Jun 16 03:21:27 <cwayne1> Tommy: as much as you hate the sox, you can't deny they're good at home-growing
Jun 16 03:21:39 <Tommy> cwayne1: hmmm
Jun 16 03:21:56 <Tommy> cwayne1: who was your world series MVP, manny
Jun 16 03:22:00 <Tommy> bought off free agency, on steroids
Jun 16 03:22:01 <cwayne1> Tommy: lester, buccholz, youk, pedroia, ellsbury
Jun 16 03:22:12 <Tommy> cwayne1: who was your ALCS MVP, ortiz
Jun 16 03:22:16 <cwayne1> Tommy: 07 it was lowell
Jun 16 03:22:21 <Tommy> bought off free agency, on steroids
Jun 16 03:22:38 <Tommy> cwayne1: yeah and who was the ALCS mvp that year
Jun 16 03:22:47 <cwayne1> Tommy: beckett
Jun 16 03:22:51 <Tommy> let's face it, 75% of your offense was two guys in both of those playoff runs, both were on steroids
Jun 16 03:22:58 <Tommy> cwayne1: okay, beckett... bought off of free agency
Jun 16 03:23:04 <cwayne1> Tommy: traded
Jun 16 03:23:09 <cwayne1> for hanley ramirez
Jun 16 03:23:09 <Tommy> oh right
Jun 16 03:23:12 <Tommy> lowell/beckett traded together
Jun 16 03:23:13 <cwayne1> now a star in flordia
Jun 16 03:23:15 <Tommy> LOL HANLEY RAMIREZ
Jun 16 03:23:19 <Tommy> no wonder i hate that faggot so much
Jun 16 03:23:20 <cwayne1> Tommy: HUGE cunt
Jun 16 03:23:22 <Tommy> he's from boston
Jun 16 03:23:26 <cwayne1> Tommy: but hes good
Jun 16 03:23:28 <Tommy> cwayne1: star? try, failure.
Jun 16 03:23:30 <Tommy> no, he's not
Jun 16 03:23:36 <Tommy> check his stats noob
Jun 16 03:23:52 <Tommy> .205
Jun 16 03:23:53 <cwayne1> Tommy: was*
Jun 16 03:23:58 <Tommy> yeah
Jun 16 03:24:03 <Tommy> this year he turned into jason bay
Jun 16 03:24:06 <cwayne1> Tommy: and was supposed to be*
Jun 16 03:24:09 <Tommy> yeah
Jun 16 03:24:11 <cwayne1> Tommy: jason bay was legit for us
Jun 16 03:24:17 <Tommy> i love jason bay
Jun 16 03:24:31 <Tommy> i don't care how poorly he's done since being signed, great player, great guy, i'm glad we signed him and i hope he finds himself again
Jun 16 03:24:45 <cwayne1> Tommy: WHATD YOU EXPECT
Jun 16 03:24:53 <Tommy> ummm
Jun 16 03:24:55 <cwayne1> HE WAS BUILT TO HIT IN FENWAY
Jun 16 03:24:58 <Tommy> .280, 25, 90
Jun 16 03:25:01 <cwayne1> not anywhere else
Jun 16 03:25:01 <Tommy> that's what i expected.
Jun 16 03:25:03 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 16 03:25:11 <Tommy> i wasn't being unreasonable, i knew he wasn't gonna hit 35HR and 130RBI
Jun 16 03:25:24 <Tommy> but i was expecting what he did in pittsburgh, where he was already a great player
Jun 16 03:25:26 <PatrickC> man... I played with my friends iTouch4 the past few days... iOS 4 is nice, webos has a lot to do to impress me now :/ both hw and sw
Jun 16 03:25:51 <Tommy> PatrickC: heh, you should branch out and mess with different devices more often
Jun 16 03:25:55 <Tommy> might be surprised what you find
Jun 16 03:26:08 <PatrickC> but I like palm :/
Jun 16 03:26:20 <Tommy> so keep a webOS phone as your main handset, can't hurt to mess around with other things occasionally
Jun 16 03:26:38 <Tommy> the pixi plus is $50 on amazon, but only the verizon version... if the GSM version was $50, i'd snatch one up just to have
Jun 16 03:26:57 <Tommy> not gonna replace my nexus S any time soon, but it'd be fun to mess with and see something new
Jun 16 03:27:29 <PatrickC> I have 4 palm phones, I dont need another one (unless its a pre3/touchpad ;) )
Jun 16 03:27:43 <summatusmentis> I considered getting the vzw one, and swapping out a sprint comms board, but I'd have to get my hands on a comms board
Jun 16 03:28:28 * halfhalo has 5 webos phones at the moment, plus two androids and a winphone
Jun 16 03:28:44 <PatrickC> halfhalo: send me an android? ;)
Jun 16 03:29:12 <halfhalo> yeahno
Jun 16 03:29:34 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 16 03:29:45 <summatusmentis> I need a new phone soon
Jun 16 03:29:49 <PatrickC> I need an android/winpgone/ios device for development
Jun 16 03:29:51 <Tommy> halfhalo: what android phones do you have
Jun 16 03:29:52 <summatusmentis> my pre- is getting old
Jun 16 03:30:11 <halfhalo> nib nexus s and epic 4g
Jun 16 03:30:18 <PatrickC> I have a pre+/2 pre2's sitting in front of me :)
Jun 16 03:30:33 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: why do you have 2 pre2s?
Jun 16 03:30:47 <PatrickC> the wifi acted up on one, warranty claim
Jun 16 03:30:53 * halfhalo has a pre -,+ pixi +, pre 2, and veer.
Jun 16 03:31:01 <PatrickC> got another one, palm told me to keep the old one
Jun 16 03:31:11 <Tommy> halfhalo: lol why do you have it in the box still
Jun 16 03:31:17 <PatrickC> halfhalo: bricked veer?
Jun 16 03:31:46 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: was the wifi completely non-functional? or just twitchy?
Jun 16 03:31:50 <halfhalo> no, veer is my main phone right now.  and i have no desire to keep the nexus, so going to give it to a friend
Jun 16 03:31:59 <PatrickC> just twitchy
Jun 16 03:32:00 * NuttyBunny raises hand
Jun 16 03:32:12 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: hrm... dibs?
Jun 16 03:32:14 <PatrickC> and I told palm the problem
Jun 16 03:32:17 <Tommy> halfhalo: wanna sell it to me? :)
Jun 16 03:32:22 <halfhalo> yeahno
Jun 16 03:32:31 <NuttyBunny> I need an android phone to reverse engineer whatsapp :D
Jun 16 03:32:31 <PatrickC> I still use it as an offline dev phone :) sorry
Jun 16 03:32:32 <Tommy> lol you act like that's an unreasonable thing to ask
Jun 16 03:32:44 <Tommy> NuttyBunny: whatsapp is garbage, kik is where it's at
Jun 16 03:33:04 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: nbd :)
Jun 16 03:33:10 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: its a gsm anyway :/
Jun 16 03:33:11 <halfhalo> giving a brand new phone to a random person on irc? yeah, have fun with that.
Jun 16 03:33:18 <PatrickC> comms board swap needed
Jun 16 03:33:33 <PatrickC> halfhalo: I'm not a random person ;)
Jun 16 03:33:40 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: yar, I've got a sprint pre- w/ a functional comms board
Jun 16 03:33:48 <PatrickC> ah same here
Jun 16 03:33:56 <PatrickC> I still use it daily :'(
Jun 16 03:34:01 <halfhalo> true, but i'm not going to give it to you
Jun 16 03:34:06 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 16 03:34:16 <PatrickC> $20 + you pay shipping
Jun 16 03:34:31 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I'm using one of mine, the other pre- is mostly a parts phone at this point, cracked screen
Jun 16 03:34:49 <PatrickC> then you have 2 working comms board..
Jun 16 03:34:55 <NuttyBunny> Tommy: Whatever, whatsapp, kik, it's the same, we don't have either :@
Jun 16 03:34:59 <NuttyBunny> neither?
Jun 16 03:35:04 <PatrickC> I need an extra lol.. I'll buy one soon
Jun 16 03:35:12 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I guess I do have 2
Jun 16 03:35:16 <Tommy> NuttyBunny: kik is a better app but blackberry banned it because RIM is going down the toilet lulz
Jun 16 03:35:33 <Tommy> halfhalo: "giving"?
Jun 16 03:35:42 <Tommy> did i say "do you want to GIVE it to me"? no, i said sell.
Jun 16 03:35:50 <PatrickC> I want a spare phone in case I break one hehe
Jun 16 03:36:02 <PatrickC> I want a *webOS* phone to fall back on...
Jun 16 03:36:22 <PatrickC> not a ... blackberry curve 8530 (ewwwww)
Jun 16 03:37:10 <summatusmentis> heh, my fallback phone is an HTC Touch running AOSP 2.1
Jun 16 03:37:15 <Tommy> lol yeah PatrickC, always a good thing to have
Jun 16 03:37:17 <NuttyBunny> Tommy: Whatsapp is garbage, kik is cool, but Kik is banned in BB world, so, which one do you think I intend to crack? :P
Jun 16 03:37:19 <Tommy> i have an android phone to fall back on
Jun 16 03:37:28 <Tommy> NuttyBunny: do you care about BB?
Jun 16 03:37:42 <Tommy> they'll be gone in a year or 2 anyways
Jun 16 03:37:51 <PatrickC> Tommy: I have a fallback phone, but its a bb
Jun 16 03:38:01 <NuttyBunny> I don't care about Android, BB, iOS, or WinPhone, I do care with communicating with the most people possible
Jun 16 03:38:02 <Tommy> PatrickC: yeah, that's fail though
Jun 16 03:38:13 <Tommy> your contacts are synced with your palm account i'd assume
Jun 16 03:38:31 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 16 03:38:40 <Tommy> that's the only reason i have an android backup phone
Jun 16 03:38:40 <PatrickC> was that to me?
Jun 16 03:38:43 <Tommy> yeh
Jun 16 03:38:58 <NuttyBunny> gotta go.. c-ya
Jun 16 03:38:59 <Tommy> i need something to get my contacts from and such if i break my ns
Jun 16 03:39:02 <Tommy> later NuttyBunny
Jun 16 03:39:15 <PatrickC> I have my contacts on 4 phones, and in google
Jun 16 03:39:22 <summatusmentis> what is ns?
Jun 16 03:39:33 <summatusmentis> mine are in google, just syncd to my palm account
Jun 16 03:39:46 <Tommy> PatrickC: i only keep my account on one phone at a time, don't want my info being all over the place :S
Jun 16 03:39:53 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 16 03:39:54 <Tommy> summatusmentis: nexus S
Jun 16 03:39:59 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 16 03:40:19 <PatrickC> they are all on google, so I put that gmail account on a phone, or fb account on a phone, contacts follow :)
Jun 16 03:40:40 <Tommy> yeah, same with me
Jun 16 03:40:52 <Tommy> i didnt know google contacts synced with webOS though, havent had a webOS phone as my main handset
Jun 16 03:40:52 <PatrickC> and that gmail account is on 4 phones
Jun 16 03:40:56 <Tommy> only played with a few
Jun 16 03:41:16 <PatrickC> I believe anything that can have contacts syncs with webos
Jun 16 03:41:34 <Tommy> cool beans
Jun 16 03:41:48 <PatrickC> all my facebook friends are on here (more then I can say for my friends iTouch4 lol)
Jun 16 03:42:15 <PatrickC> you have to pay for that on iOS iirc
Jun 16 03:43:01 <Tommy> o_O
Jun 16 03:43:02 <Tommy> what
Jun 16 03:43:08 <PatrickC> yeah :/
Jun 16 03:43:20 <Tommy> i thought it was creepy at first when i saw my friends' numbers in my contacts
Jun 16 03:43:39 <PatrickC> on his iTouch you have to buy an app ( $1.99 I believe) to do it
Jun 16 03:43:47 <Tommy> lol so stupid
Jun 16 03:43:51 <PatrickC> I love that webOS does it stock, and for free :D
Jun 16 03:44:27 <summatusmentis> iOS5 is supposed to integrate w/ FB right?
Jun 16 03:44:46 <PatrickC> I believe
Jun 16 03:45:00 <PatrickC> I didn't have iOS5 yet to put on his iTouch, or I would have
Jun 16 03:45:24 <PatrickC> iOS 5 is available to all registered apple devs iirc
Jun 16 03:45:30 <summatusmentis> well, right, it's not out of beta
Jun 16 03:45:45 <Tommy> i thought all 21st century mobile operating systems would sync with facebook
Jun 16 03:45:49 <PatrickC> but, unlike palm, their beta's aren't under lock-and-key
Jun 16 03:45:50 <CarlosGong> Apple officially integrate iOS 5 with Twitter
Jun 16 03:46:18 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: well, they're just under a $99 dev fee
Jun 16 03:46:20 <PatrickC> CarlosGong: we are talking about facebook
Jun 16 03:46:24 <summatusmentis> as well as a pretty strict NDA
Jun 16 03:46:31 <PatrickC> not really
Jun 16 03:46:47 <PatrickC> there are always screenshots out of the beta'sa
Jun 16 03:47:01 <summatusmentis> well, I guess that's true
Jun 16 03:47:14 <PatrickC> and if you go in an apple dev channel, they all tell you how to get it and that they have it
Jun 16 03:47:32 <Tommy> summatusmentis: $99 per year
Jun 16 03:47:46 <PatrickC> we are under a strict nda (those of us in the eap)
Jun 16 03:47:52 <Tommy> PatrickC: you can get it without being a dev, there was some workaround
Jun 16 03:48:07 <summatusmentis> Tommy: yeah, I know
Jun 16 03:48:11 <PatrickC> Tommy: I know, I looked it up
Jun 16 03:48:15 <Tommy> so do it
Jun 16 03:48:29 <PatrickC> I almost did it.. but it was too big of file and we didn't have enough tine
Jun 16 03:48:31 <PatrickC> time*
Jun 16 03:48:46 <PatrickC> he left for GA now, so I can't help him anymore :/
Jun 16 03:49:35 <PatrickC> well.. I'm off to bed
Jun 16 03:49:41 <PatrickC> goodnight folks
Jun 16 03:49:48 <CarlosGong> goodnight~
Jun 16 03:50:00 <CarlosGong> I'm off to lunch
Jun 16 03:51:34 <Tommy> later PatrickC_Sleepin
Jun 16 07:25:55 <jatin> hey i am using webos 3.0 version..
Jun 16 07:26:19 <jatin> is there ny widget for background n graphics display
Jun 16 07:27:19 <SineOt> where'd you get it?
Jun 16 07:27:56 <jatin> am making an app....n i want a picture in backround
Jun 16 07:28:17 <jatin> how can i do da same
Jun 16 07:28:36 <SineOt> P:
Jun 16 07:28:39 <SineOt> CSS
Jun 16 07:29:37 <jatin> is the code available in widgets.\
Jun 16 07:29:52 <SineOt> it's css
Jun 16 07:30:02 <jatin> ok
Jun 16 07:30:03 <SineOt> it's all css
Jun 16 07:30:21 <hotdp> hehe
Jun 16 07:30:25 <SineOt> in fact there should be a lot of info on that in the EAP forums..! :I
Jun 16 07:30:30 <hotdp> widgets = android
Jun 16 07:30:32 <SineOt> but I have a feeling you have no idea what those are
Jun 16 07:30:39 <oil> body { background: url(../images/background.png) center center no-repeat; }
Jun 16 07:30:48 <SineOt> hotdp: mojo widgets style widgets, not android style P:
Jun 16 07:31:04 <jatin> ok
Jun 16 07:31:48 <jatin> i need to display time in a digital which shd cover most of the screen
Jun 16 07:32:04 <jatin> large font
Jun 16 07:32:16 <hotdp> SineOt: ;)
Jun 16 07:33:00 <jatin> normall time i have displayed but want that bigger
Jun 16 07:33:38 <SineOt> IT'S ALL CSS :3
Jun 16 07:34:05 <hotdp> You can use inline style
Jun 16 07:34:09 <jatin> lol nw that sound funny..
Jun 16 07:34:12 <hotdp> But CSS is your friend
Jun 16 07:36:10 * oil gives css a hug
Jun 16 07:40:34 <maik> woo, Emergency Lights rewrite done
Jun 16 07:40:45 <maik> not sure if i like the looks of these buttons though
Jun 16 07:41:10 <hotdp> jatin never gave css a hug oil :(
Jun 16 07:41:35 <oil> there there css
Jun 16 07:44:15 <css> :(((((
Jun 16 10:03:26 <eurisko> hello :)
Jun 16 10:14:33 <LoneStar99> howdy
Jun 16 10:15:42 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 16 10:16:15 <LoneStar99> morning rwhitby
Jun 16 10:50:43 <Boopop> Palm support want me to doctor my phone to fix a hardware fault
Jun 16 10:50:49 <Boopop> but apparently it isn't a hardware fault
Jun 16 10:50:52 <Boopop> it's a software fault
Jun 16 10:50:54 <Boopop> confused!
Jun 16 10:55:44 <hotdp> ok
Jun 16 10:55:50 <hotdp> what is the fault?
Jun 16 11:04:16 <Boopop> hotdp: When the slider is open, if I press on the gesture area it moves down a little
Jun 16 11:04:20 <Boopop> then comes up a bit when I let go
Jun 16 11:07:52 <rwhitby> how much is a little?
Jun 16 11:07:57 <rwhitby> 1mm ? 1cm ?
Jun 16 11:08:28 <Boopop> 3 or 4mm I guess
Jun 16 11:08:44 <Boopop> Not a lot but it's noticiable
Jun 16 11:08:47 <Boopop> noticable*
Jun 16 11:10:03 <rwhitby> what type of phone is it?
Jun 16 11:10:15 <rwhitby> Pre-, Pre+, Pre2 or Veer?
Jun 16 11:11:05 <Boopop> Pre 2
Jun 16 11:11:15 <hotdp> :S
Jun 16 11:11:36 <Boopop> ^
Jun 16 11:11:38 <Boopop> quite
Jun 16 11:12:06 <rwhitby> take some photos, start a PreCentral thread, then go on a twitter rampage.  You might get someone from Palm contact you and offer you a replacement to shut you up ;)
Jun 16 11:12:38 <rwhitby> did you show a photo to the Palm support person?
Jun 16 11:12:39 * hotdp have not heard about Pre 2 problems before
Jun 16 11:13:40 <Boopop> Interesting idea rwhitby XD You think this doctoring of it will fix it? I'm doubtful =/
Jun 16 11:14:49 <Boopop> The doctor's being odd atm anyway - it's saying "battery charging" and the progress bar is darting around the whole bar and it's stuck at 0%
Jun 16 11:15:47 <hotdp> I have not heard about the doctor doing any none software releated problems
Jun 16 11:16:13 <rwhitby> you should realise you're talking to a person on minimum wage in a foreign country who is simply following a pre-written script and fault tree which always starts with a webOS doctor, and unless you
Jun 16 11:16:55 <rwhitby> prove to them that you're already past that point
Jun 16 11:17:29 <rwhitby> they will always first tell you to do a doctor.  I'd do the same, cause 95% of problems are fixed with a doctor.
Jun 16 11:17:34 <rwhitby> but yours won't be.
Jun 16 11:24:34 <Boopop> I don't think so either
Jun 16 11:24:49 <Boopop> you think I should stop the doctor rwhitby? It's still at the charging stage
Jun 16 11:24:58 <LoneStar99> any json folks here?
Jun 16 11:25:09 <hotdp> i am here :D
Jun 16 11:27:25 <LoneStar99> hotdp: ok can't get my json to do what i want it to do...
Jun 16 11:27:33 <LoneStar99> let me paste all the code.
Jun 16 11:28:28 <hotdp> Maybe
Jun 16 11:30:23 <Boopop> OK I've cancelled that rwhitby...what do you think I should do next? Talk to Palm again and say I did doctor it or...?
Jun 16 11:32:39 <LoneStar99> hotdp:  http://pastebin.com/V3kw1X64 how would you parse it using mojo/ prototype
Jun 16 11:33:03 <LoneStar99> hotdp:  i have it working, but not the way i need it to work
Jun 16 11:33:18 <Boopop> Hm well I'm going to go on my PS3 for a bit if you could pm me or something rwhitby that'd be much appreciated
Jun 16 11:33:51 <hotdp> hehe
Jun 16 11:34:02 <hotdp> LoneStar99: what are you doing and what do you want it to do?
Jun 16 11:35:57 <LoneStar99> hotdp:  trying to think, of how not to make it confusing...
Jun 16 11:36:59 <hotdp> hehe ok
Jun 16 11:37:05 <hotdp> just tell me when you are ready
Jun 16 11:38:51 <LoneStar99> i have the json parsing but it unites all the values of x for example --> "34, 40,36,31,28, 49,35,32,30,113,112,109,109,113,13,22,26"   instead of just parsing one "container of x" at a time
Jun 16 11:40:10 <LoneStar99> i want it to parse "34" --> "40,36,31,28" --> ""49,35,32,30"  NOT  "34, 40,36,31,28, 49,35,32,30,113,112,109,109,113,13,22,26"
Jun 16 11:43:17 <LoneStar99> i know it is confusing...
Jun 16 11:46:30 * haeffb is confused
Jun 16 11:48:01 <LoneStar99> haeffb:  yeah so am i been dealing with the issue for over 24hrs
Jun 16 11:50:41 <stbuehler> LoneStar99: you wrote your own json parser?
Jun 16 11:54:06 <haeffb> yeah, good question stbuehler
Jun 16 11:54:42 <haeffb> wth are you trying to do LoneStar99 ?
Jun 16 11:55:06 <LoneStar99> stbuehler:  nope using prototype
Jun 16 11:55:21 <hotdp> LoneStar99: sorry, but i have people comming over to me at work :S
Jun 16 11:55:39 <LoneStar99> hotdp: do not worry about it
Jun 16 11:56:16 <LoneStar99> it is very silly when i write some confusing stuff
Jun 16 11:58:03 <stbuehler> LoneStar99: so you are using .evalJSON()
Jun 16 11:58:38 <stbuehler> LoneStar99: i doubt that this is merging the .x values
Jun 16 11:59:34 <LoneStar99> stbuehler: yeah it is for some odd reason, will display it in about 5 minutes
Jun 16 12:00:18 <haeffb> LoneStar99: use evalJSON() to turn that JSON into a javascript object then access the key:value pairs directly
Jun 16 12:00:38 <haeffb> pts[0].xd pts[0].y
Jun 16 12:01:39 <haeffb> or if you're getting it through AJAX, you can probably change your request to get it to return it already in a javascript object
Jun 16 12:02:39 <haeffb> rwhitby: when does your precious get out of jail?
Jun 16 12:03:17 <LoneStar99> haeffb: yeah it an ajax call
Jun 16 12:03:46 <haeffb> which version of the SDK are you using?
Jun 16 12:05:31 <LoneStar99> 2.1
Jun 16 12:10:25 <LoneStar99> http://pastebin.com/7jNA8t8P
Jun 16 12:17:12 <haeffb> you're wanting to take all the values of x and put them together into a single string?
Jun 16 12:17:28 <haeffb> and all the values of y, xd, yd ?
Jun 16 12:19:00 <haeffb> still not sure what you're wanting to accomplish
Jun 16 12:19:23 <haeffb> above it looks like  you want the individual values of x to use somewhere?
Jun 16 12:19:38 <haeffb> which is just tt[i].x
Jun 16 12:19:49 <haeffb> where i ranges from zero to tt.length
Jun 16 12:22:31 <LoneStar99> haeffb: funny u mention tt[i].x messing with it right now
Jun 16 12:37:24 <NuttyBunny> hey
Jun 16 12:39:41 <LoneStar99> sup NuttyBunny
Jun 16 12:43:44 <rwhitby> haeffb: hopefully it gets to Adelaide tomorrow, but it could be Monday
Jun 16 12:44:05 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: another #Veer? :)
Jun 16 12:44:06 <rwhitby> it's out of customs now
Jun 16 12:44:10 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: TouchPad
Jun 16 12:44:35 <NuttyBunny> Cool!! But please don't brick that one
Jun 16 12:46:02 <rwhitby> Not allowed to do stuff like that on one that I haven't purchased publicly.
Jun 16 12:46:02 <NuttyBunny> I wanna play with TTS, it'd be nice for my little app to support that
Jun 16 12:46:42 <rwhitby> So I will have to purchase another one on July 1st so I can do that stuff ;)
Jun 16 12:46:43 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: So this is for development only?
Jun 16 12:46:53 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. cool!
Jun 16 12:47:18 <rwhitby> I suspect iFixit will do a tear-down before I need to ;)
Jun 16 12:47:35 * rwhitby bbt - night all
Jun 16 12:48:04 <NuttyBunny> nite rwhitby
Jun 16 12:53:34 <phoque_uni> One question for the node.js/futures experts
Jun 16 12:53:44 <phoque_uni> I have two concurrent operations
Jun 16 12:53:49 <phoque_uni> both adding stuff to an array
Jun 16 12:53:56 <phoque_uni> how do I make the service return once both have added their stuff?
Jun 16 12:56:04 <phoque_uni> stbuehler? ;-)
Jun 16 12:59:01 <Boopop> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2993703#post2993703
Jun 16 12:59:03 <Boopop> There we go
Jun 16 12:59:06 <Boopop> my Pre 2 fault#
Jun 16 12:59:07 <Boopop> =/
Jun 16 13:06:30 <NuttyBunny> Pre 2? damn :S
Jun 16 13:32:08 <stbuehler> phoque_uni: you could keep a counter how many futures are completed, and set the "outer" future.result if all are done
Jun 16 13:34:43 <LoneStar99> haeffb: you still around?
Jun 16 13:35:13 <stbuehler> phoque_uni: see the 2nd code block in https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13697&start=0
Jun 16 13:36:22 <stbuehler> LoneStar99: var makes variables *function*-local
Jun 16 13:36:29 <stbuehler> there is no "for-loop" scope
Jun 16 13:36:42 <stbuehler> so you should move all var statements to the top of a function
Jun 16 13:37:35 <LoneStar99> stbuehler: you mean the " if (typeof(tt[i].x) == "undefined") {" code?
Jun 16 13:38:01 <stbuehler> yeah
Jun 16 13:38:11 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: gone mobile
Jun 16 13:38:39 <LoneStar99> haeffb:  oh ok will ask you later thanks
Jun 16 13:38:49 <stbuehler> LoneStar99: so what still is missing: what the hell do you want to do? :)
Jun 16 13:39:24 <stbuehler> and let me make it clear: this has nothing to do with json parsing anymore - the json parsing works :)
Jun 16 13:40:31 <LoneStar99> stbuehler:  did you test the code?
Jun 16 13:43:16 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: the code is doing what you're telling it to do
Jun 16 13:43:44 <haeffb_pre> what we don't understand is what tout *want* it to do
Jun 16 13:43:57 <haeffb_pre> s/tout/you/
Jun 16 13:44:35 <LoneStar99> i will show you all an example, but i need to fix something first
Jun 16 13:46:39 <LoneStar99> something very straight forward has become like an obsticle course, the json shite is just part of the issues
Jun 16 13:48:17 <LoneStar99> gotta love stackoverflow
Jun 16 15:24:42 <LoneStar99> stbuehler & haeffb_pre: thanks for the help got kept parse the same, but did some loop over loops and worked
Jun 16 15:43:46 <chuqui> good day, y'all.
Jun 16 15:44:10 <LoneStar99> g'day chuqui
Jun 16 15:44:26 <sugardave> hello
Jun 16 15:46:29 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: I have coded around the issue we discussed yesterday
Jun 16 15:46:42 <haeffb_pre> and, Hi!
Jun 16 15:47:21 <sugardave> haeffb_pre is the man!
Jun 16 15:49:23 <LoneStar99> hallo sugardave
Jun 16 15:49:36 <haeffb_pre> its very hacky
Jun 16 15:50:54 <LoneStar99> releasing my last all new mojo app this weekend =( then on to the NDA stuff
Jun 16 15:51:10 <chuqui> haeffb_pre: cool. glad you found a workaround until we can get that bug fix in place.
Jun 16 15:51:15 <chuqui> LoneStar99:  cool!
Jun 16 15:52:14 * haeffb_pre should post that on the fora
Jun 16 15:53:57 <sugardave> Do it
Jun 16 15:54:37 <LoneStar99> forsure do it, don't look back
Jun 16 15:54:41 <haeffb_pre> tonight
Jun 16 15:54:56 <summatusmentis> RIGHT NOW
Jun 16 15:55:22 <sugardave> no, do it from your phone right now
Jun 16 15:55:31 <sugardave> you'll be done by the time the day ends
Jun 16 15:55:48 <LoneStar99> are you yellow?
Jun 16 15:55:54 <maik> i wonder if Emergency Lights could net me a TouchPad? :P
Jun 16 15:56:29 <sugardave> heh, worth a shot (especially if it has large download numbers)
Jun 16 15:56:43 <sugardave> the worst they can say is "GTFO!"
Jun 16 15:57:27 <maik> heh
Jun 16 15:57:51 <LoneStar99> yeah worse case you get a < 1 rating like one of my apps
Jun 16 15:58:50 <maik> awe
Jun 16 16:06:46 <NuttyBunny> Hey chuqui! What do you think about my TP app? :P
Jun 16 16:07:16 <phoque_uni> will the TP App Catalog be available on July first as well?
Jun 16 16:07:31 <chuqui> it's awesome!
Jun 16 16:08:04 <chuqui> (I've been going absolutely crazy the last few days... sigh)
Jun 16 16:08:38 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. I thought so :D
Jun 16 16:11:24 <singmajesty> What app did you make, NuttyBunny?
Jun 16 16:13:04 <NuttyBunny> it's still a work in progress, something like the photofunia one, but a LOT lighter and faster
Jun 16 16:14:34 <phoque_uni> I am so close to submitting my first TP app
Jun 16 16:14:49 <phoque_uni> I'm just not talented enough to create a proper icon for it
Jun 16 16:15:29 <maik> oh an icon!  i almost forgot
Jun 16 16:16:16 <ryanwatkins> ha, so I thought I was being clever by unchecking 'cable connected' in VirtualBox to test network timeouts.
Jun 16 16:16:28 <summatusmentis> I want to start one
Jun 16 16:16:28 <ryanwatkins> but that makes it slightly difficutl to use AresLog or Debug.
Jun 16 16:17:15 <sugardave> doh
Jun 16 16:17:20 <summatusmentis> Ares is not enyo compatible, right?
Jun 16 16:17:43 <singmajesty> I've been working on externs for haXe, because I want to make my Enyo app with code completion, etc.
Jun 16 16:17:44 <ryanwatkins> log is, debugger sorta is.
Jun 16 16:18:20 <summatusmentis> I guess I meant, "could I use areas to buid out a TP app?"
Jun 16 16:18:22 <singmajesty> I know I could start one know, but I can't help but want to develop in the way I feel most comfortable :)
Jun 16 16:18:26 <ryanwatkins> no
Jun 16 16:18:32 <ryanwatkins> or .. "not today"
Jun 16 16:18:36 <summatusmentis> right
Jun 16 16:18:37 <summatusmentis> ok
Jun 16 16:18:38 <singmajesty> The Enyo team includes a lot of the Ares team
Jun 16 16:18:50 <singmajesty> So they've basically been busy building the framework, not the editor :)
Jun 16 16:18:52 <summatusmentis> yeah, I remember the original enyo preview
Jun 16 16:19:08 <NuttyBunny> Some ares principles are used in Enyo
Jun 16 16:19:26 <summatusmentis> I mostly wanted drag and drop interface stuff :)
Jun 16 16:19:50 <summatusmentis> I'm awful at interface design
Jun 16 16:20:44 <NuttyBunny> ah, no, forget it...
Jun 16 16:20:52 <singmajesty> I think the ideal is visual development for visual elements, and a good code editor (not drag-and-drop) for code elements
Jun 16 16:20:57 <NuttyBunny> unless.. lemme see something
Jun 16 16:21:15 <phoque_uni> summatusmentis, I'm better at envisioning interfaces than in implementing them
Jun 16 16:21:25 <singmajesty> That's what I used to enjoy about Flash development, using the Flash IDE for interfaces and FlashDevelop for code
Jun 16 16:22:13 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: yeah, I don't want code drag and drop
Jun 16 16:23:25 <sugardave> noooooo
Jun 16 16:25:22 <summatusmentis> my computer is crying :(
Jun 16 16:25:51 <phoque_uni> uhm, that is weird...
Jun 16 16:25:56 <phoque_uni> some of my cookes are not being deleted
Jun 16 16:28:07 <phoque_uni> oh and did somebody answer my question before?
Jun 16 16:28:18 <phoque_uni> Will the TP App Catalog be available on July 1st as well?
Jun 16 16:29:15 <Tibfib> I assume so..
Jun 16 16:29:33 <NuttyBunny> summatusmentis: Maybe you could do some kind of script to convert the ares chrome files to enyo, they look similar
Jun 16 16:29:41 <sugardave> phoque_uni: I certainly hope so
Jun 16 16:30:11 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: hrm... I don't know that I care that much :)
Jun 16 16:31:21 <NuttyBunny> but you shouldn't need it, it's quite easy in enyo
Jun 16 16:31:34 <NuttyBunny> of course, unless you want to do weird things like me :@
Jun 16 16:33:14 <summatusmentis> I might want to do weird things, I haven't figured out what I want my UI to look like yet
Jun 16 16:33:34 <summatusmentis> I kind of like the 3-pane layout
Jun 16 16:33:37 <summatusmentis> but I'm not sure it works for me
Jun 16 16:35:45 <NuttyBunny> Ah, no, weird things like dragging and rotating an object 3 layers down from the top
Jun 16 16:37:13 <summatusmentis> oh god no
Jun 16 16:39:31 <singmajesty> The TouchPad will have the App Catalog on day 1
Jun 16 16:43:03 <Tibfib> heh. I have sdk's from 1.4
Jun 16 16:44:17 <summatusmentis> I just removed my old ones
Jun 16 16:44:24 <summatusmentis> because I'm not getting anywhere on my mojo apps
Jun 16 16:44:29 <summatusmentis> s/apps/app/
Jun 16 16:44:40 <sugardave> erg, my palm-package is broken :/
Jun 16 16:45:34 <sugardave> oh no, I'm just a dumbass...no uppercase letters in app id :P
Jun 16 16:45:35 <singmajesty> Use palm-fixit
Jun 16 16:45:38 <Tibfib> loolll
Jun 16 16:51:22 <LoneStar99> what are the proper names of the "buttons" under the device screen?
Jun 16 16:51:46 <LoneStar99> "sensors" left and right of little white ball "orginal" pre
Jun 16 16:52:08 <summatusmentis> the gesture area?
Jun 16 16:52:14 <summatusmentis> is that waht you're talking about?
Jun 16 16:52:52 <oilsworkn> hey sugardave, why haven't you lifted the NDA yet?
Jun 16 16:52:57 <LoneStar99> yeah gesture area
Jun 16 16:53:02 <LoneStar99> thanks
Jun 16 16:53:09 <sugardave> oilsworkn: that shit is heavy, and I'm a little guy
Jun 16 16:53:17 <maik> heh
Jun 16 16:53:28 <oilsworkn> just pretend its a tree branch that fell on your child
Jun 16 16:53:33 <oilsworkn> summon the strength
Jun 16 16:53:38 <sugardave> POWERRRRR
Jun 16 16:53:49 * Tibfib starts slow clap
Jun 16 16:53:53 * maik joins
Jun 16 16:54:17 <LoneStar99> how do i mimic that in emulator?
Jun 16 16:54:24 <Tibfib> esc
Jun 16 16:54:24 <LoneStar99> gesture area that is
Jun 16 16:54:29 <LoneStar99> k
Jun 16 16:54:30 <LoneStar99> thanks
Jun 16 16:55:00 * oilsworkn lols at @webosinternals tweets last night >:)
Jun 16 16:55:20 <sugardave> heh
Jun 16 16:55:49 <oilsworkn> hey sugardave, i had this idea yesterday, and since you work for palm im telling you to implement it
Jun 16 16:56:01 <maik> lol
Jun 16 16:56:04 <oilsworkn> allow apps to get the list of quickactions and send a string to it
Jun 16 16:56:07 <sugardave> is it "lifting the NDA"?  because I've heard that one before
Jun 16 16:56:20 <oilsworkn> so if twitter/facebook/etc apps all have a quickaction for post this string
Jun 16 16:56:31 <oilsworkn> apps which want to send data to twitter/facebook/etc can go through that already established method
Jun 16 16:56:45 <oilsworkn> make it happen
Jun 16 16:56:51 <Tibfib> oil: I assume you mean this one: http://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/81329964846292992 ?
Jun 16 16:56:53 * sugardave snaps his fingers.
Jun 16 16:56:54 <Tibfib> hilarious
Jun 16 16:57:53 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 16 16:57:59 <Tibfib> whaaaa how did I miss this: http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/13/say-hello-to-dieter-bohn/
Jun 16 16:58:09 <Tibfib> doh camping
Jun 16 16:58:21 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 16:58:36 <sugardave> http://www.joeydevilla.com/2011/06/16/unlike-the-canucks-these-two-probably-pulled-the-goalie/
Jun 16 16:58:44 <Tibfib> holy cow
Jun 16 16:58:48 <Tibfib> awesome for dieter
Jun 16 16:58:52 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jun 16 16:58:54 <Tibfib> I love this is my next even more now
Jun 16 16:58:56 <singmajesty> SDK releases tend to go hand-in-hand with OS releases
Jun 16 16:59:01 <singmajesty> Not always, but that is the goal
Jun 16 16:59:18 <oilsworkn> palm isn't very good at that goal
Jun 16 16:59:24 <oilsworkn> it took like 6 months for 2.x sdk?
Jun 16 16:59:27 <singmajesty> So we will likely see a public release of a webOS 3.0 SDK near the launch of the TouchPad
Jun 16 16:59:36 <singmajesty> ...but don't quote me on that ;)
Jun 16 16:59:45 <sugardave> too late, dude
Jun 16 17:00:15 * Tibfib TWEETS
Jun 16 17:00:18 <singmajesty> Yeah, not historically, but the early access releases are in release candidate
Jun 16 17:00:30 <sugardave> "signmajesty guarantees 3.0 SDK out of NDA by June 20"
Jun 16 17:00:37 <singmajesty> haha :)
Jun 16 17:04:03 <maik> ok, someone's messing around in dropbox again.  is there any reason to still have that anymore?
Jun 16 17:04:59 * Tibfib quit that a while ago
Jun 16 17:06:03 <NuttyBunny> There you go, join me. http://bit.ly/5wPEvY
Jun 16 17:06:32 <sugardave> maik: no
Jun 16 17:06:36 <sugardave> we don't use that anymore
Jun 16 17:09:54 <phoque_uni> a few more days till launch and I'm still in the feature-implementation-phase
Jun 16 17:10:51 * oilsworkn never had trouble with the dropbox setup they had
Jun 16 17:10:56 <oilsworkn> i just downloaded what iwanted from the web interface
Jun 16 17:12:55 <maik> i'm trying to figure out how to remove a subscribed folder.  do i just delete the folder?
Jun 16 17:13:21 <oilsworkn> oh god gonna delete everyones files!
Jun 16 17:13:32 <maik> i don't think so... am i?
Jun 16 17:13:34 <Tibfib> go on dropbox.com and leave the shared folder
Jun 16 17:13:38 <phoque_uni> maik, you can do so on the Website
Jun 16 17:13:43 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 17:13:47 <maik> i just deleted them...
Jun 16 17:13:51 <Tibfib> AHAHAHAHH
Jun 16 17:13:53 <maik> we'll see what happens, or if anyone notices
Jun 16 17:14:07 <oilsworkn> and there is the problem with everyone using the software
Jun 16 17:14:08 <Tibfib> s/AHAHAHAHH/AHHHHHH/
Jun 16 17:14:13 <maik> heh
Jun 16 17:14:14 <oilsworkn> "i want this, let me move it to my desktop"
Jun 16 17:14:19 <oilsworkn> oooops
Jun 16 17:14:39 <maik> nah, i think that removed them just from my dropbox
Jun 16 17:14:50 <maik> if i go to sharing i can list "past shared folders" and there's a link to "rejoin"
Jun 16 17:16:19 <sbc_> Hi
Jun 16 17:16:31 <sugardave> dropbox was a good idea until non-technical people started developing :D
Jun 16 17:16:46 <sbc_> have a problem with popup menu
Jun 16 17:17:11 <sbc_> if i tap outside the popup submenu, nothing works in my application.. any idea what could be wrong ?
Jun 16 17:17:36 <oilsworkn> usually popupsubmenus have a scrim over your app below the popup
Jun 16 17:17:51 <LoneStar99> is it the esc key for the following?? --> "FirstAssistant.prototype.backForward = function(back, forward){ }"
Jun 16 17:18:01 <Tibfib> nope
Jun 16 17:18:02 <oilsworkn> so when you tap outside it, you're tapping on the scim, not your app
Jun 16 17:18:23 <Tibfib> sbc_: if this is Enyo, you'll have to ask on forums.
Jun 16 17:18:33 <Tibfib> we could help easy, but sugardave hasn't lifted the Enyo NDA
Jun 16 17:18:35 <sbc_> @oilsworkn: so how do i control that ?.. i want to close the submenu if i tap outside
Jun 16 17:18:47 * oilsworkn thought popupsubmenu was mojo?
Jun 16 17:19:01 <oilsworkn> or is it called the same in the new hotness?
Jun 16 17:19:06 <Tibfib> hmm not sure
Jun 16 17:19:11 <Tibfib> I just know there are popups :D
Jun 16 17:19:17 <oilsworkn> sbc_: mojo or new hotness?
Jun 16 17:19:21 <sugardave> death penalty!
Jun 16 17:19:25 <sbc_> mojo
Jun 16 17:19:31 <singmajesty> enyo.Popup?
Jun 16 17:19:40 <Tibfib> The popup should close when you tap outside it in mojo
Jun 16 17:19:47 <oilsworkn> yeah, i thought that was automatic :/
Jun 16 17:19:47 <sbc_> not closing :(
Jun 16 17:19:49 <Tibfib> sbc_: do the logs tell anything?
Jun 16 17:19:56 <oilsworkn> pastebin code/logs
Jun 16 17:21:09 <sbc_> I get uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'match' of undefined
Jun 16 17:21:16 <sugardave> see?  singmajesty said the wrong thing, and now he's been erased
Jun 16 17:21:18 <oilsworkn> http://twitter.com/#!/dalmaer/status/81409994683195392
Jun 16 17:21:20 <oilsworkn> epic
Jun 16 17:21:47 <oilsworkn> singmajesty == hp/palm employee?
Jun 16 17:22:48 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: hahah I was just reading that
Jun 16 17:24:29 <oilsworkn> freakin webchat
Jun 16 17:25:06 <sugardave> oilsworkn: yeah, he is orange in the forum...he does the haxe thing
Jun 16 17:25:15 <oilsworkn> ah
Jun 16 17:25:23 * oilsworkn rarely looks at hp forums
Jun 16 17:26:00 <oilsworkn> just subscribed to choice threads :)
Jun 16 17:27:51 <sbc_> my popupmenu problem is solved ..
Jun 16 17:28:16 <Tibfib> ah, what was it?
Jun 16 17:29:39 <sbc_> i was getting undefined when i tap outside the submenu.. just used if(command) {   } to check if I get a defined command from the submenu..
Jun 16 17:29:50 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 16 17:29:58 <Tibfib> ohhh that would do it
Jun 16 17:30:09 <sbc_> simple mistake, left unnoticed for days :(
Jun 16 17:38:36 <oilsworkn> adora not reviewing wirc :(
Jun 16 17:39:06 <maik> awe, porque?
Jun 16 17:39:41 <oilsworkn> its been sitting there as "submitted" since the 7th
Jun 16 17:40:03 <Tibfib> is it going to work this time?
Jun 16 17:40:41 <LoneStar99> buyers beware, bought an OEM "HP" battery from ebay f-ckin thing has lasted me about 6 months and dies at 50% of power
Jun 16 17:41:00 <oilsworkn> oh
Jun 16 17:41:04 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: no clue
Jun 16 17:41:10 <LoneStar99> ebay is like little china these days
Jun 16 17:41:11 <Tibfib> neevvvverrr buy batteries or memory cards on ebay
Jun 16 17:41:26 <LoneStar99> i realize that now =(
Jun 16 17:41:33 * oilsworkn has bought batteries not for a phone on ebay
Jun 16 17:41:56 <oilsworkn> not everything on ebay is used
Jun 16 17:42:06 <oilsworkn> gotta look for new/nib listings
Jun 16 17:42:31 <LoneStar99> i remember a few years back 90%+ of all computer parts where orginal OEM now about 50% are
Jun 16 17:43:03 <LoneStar99> oh well, back to coding
Jun 16 17:45:49 <maik> mojo has mic access right?
Jun 16 17:46:11 <oilsworkn> in 2.x i believe?
Jun 16 17:46:13 <ryanwatkins> wow, best commit evar : https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#diff-1
Jun 16 17:46:29 <oilsworkn> yeah ryanwatkins :)
Jun 16 17:46:29 <Tibfib> hahaha
Jun 16 17:46:39 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: yes
Jun 16 17:47:28 <maik> has there been any official word on if enyo has mic access?  i can't find anything one way or the other
Jun 16 17:47:43 * oilsworkn doesnt know
Jun 16 17:48:29 <maik> ryanwatkins: that commit is A+++
Jun 16 17:48:39 <ryanwatkins> i mean ... just ... wow.
Jun 16 17:48:44 <oilsworkn> typos happen
Jun 16 17:48:56 <oilsworkn> obviously didn't test
Jun 16 17:49:04 <maik> heh, really should have
Jun 16 17:49:21 <ryanwatkins> i dont test alot either, but ... geez.
Jun 16 17:49:33 <sugardave> ooops
Jun 16 17:49:59 * oilsworkn rarely commits untested code
Jun 16 17:50:43 <Loudergood> lets just say I've learned about testing in production the hard way
Jun 16 17:50:44 <ryanwatkins> test run on my work project takes 10-15 min and grinds my machine .. drives me nuts.
Jun 16 17:51:00 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 17:51:24 <Loudergood> nobody noticed but I was sweating for about a half hour
Jun 16 17:52:18 <ryanwatkins> ive made mistakes too, but ya know, never nuked the OS with them.
Jun 16 17:52:44 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 17:53:42 <Loudergood> yeah that is a whole other level there
Jun 16 17:54:31 <sugardave> I once worked as a Tivoli admin for the BLM...they had no dev or test environment, it was all live all the time.  I hated it.
Jun 16 17:55:17 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 16 17:55:28 <sugardave> "We want to switch from Distributed Monitoring (old and busted) to IBM Tivoli Monitoring (new hotness)"  "Why?"  "Because the salesman said it's better"  "FUUUUUUU"
Jun 16 17:55:38 <oilsworkn> thats just asking for trouble
Jun 16 17:55:41 <ryanwatkins> worked at MLB.com.  deploy process was "tag -f PROD" in cvs
Jun 16 17:55:49 <ryanwatkins> that made my file go live to the production site
Jun 16 17:55:52 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 16 17:56:03 <ryanwatkins> want a new yankees home page?  you got it.
Jun 16 17:56:09 <sugardave> heh
Jun 16 17:56:10 <oilsworkn> its about that much for pushing things through webosinternals build system
Jun 16 17:56:31 <oilsworkn> but only for the testing feed
Jun 16 17:56:39 <ryanwatkins> there were dev and test servers, but no gatekeeper.
Jun 16 17:56:40 <NuttyBunny> oilsworkn: I haven't been able to push the messaging plugins there :P
Jun 16 17:56:41 <oilsworkn> for the main feed you have to update a makefile
Jun 16 17:57:14 <oilsworkn> NuttyBunny: i suggest talking to rwhitby, he's the build system master
Jun 16 17:57:48 <NuttyBunny> oilsworkn: his answers to my bizarre questions are mostly: "dunno" :D
Jun 16 17:57:53 <LoneStar99> do i need a listener for the following "SceneAssistant.prototype.backForward = function(back, forward){ }" ?
Jun 16 17:58:35 <oilsworkn> wtf is backForward for?
Jun 16 17:59:02 <LoneStar99> gestures on the hardware
Jun 16 17:59:12 <LoneStar99> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/gestures_and_gesture_events.html
Jun 16 17:59:16 <oilsworkn> thought that went to the handleCommand function?
Jun 16 17:59:18 <NuttyBunny> does even a back/forward gesture exist??
Jun 16 17:59:33 <NuttyBunny> I knew of the down-up one for the launcher
Jun 16 17:59:41 <oilsworkn> no
Jun 16 17:59:48 <oilsworkn> thats gestures in-app
Jun 16 17:59:51 <oilsworkn> not the "gesture area"
Jun 16 18:00:47 <oilsworkn> well, the top part that is
Jun 16 18:00:59 <oilsworkn> is for things like pinch to zoom/etc
Jun 16 18:01:05 <NuttyBunny> no, read further, it mentions the gesture area and has a sample code with a CUSTOM FUNCTION :P
Jun 16 18:01:15 <oilsworkn> SceneAssistant.prototype.handleCommand = function(event){     //catch the back gesture     if (event.type == Mojo.Event.back) {
Jun 16 18:02:26 <oilsworkn> thats not what you think it is
Jun 16 18:02:37 <NuttyBunny> the question for LoneStar99 would be: what the ... are you trying to accomplish with that?
Jun 16 18:03:37 <oilsworkn> "Known Issues: Gesture area finger detection is not supported (or rather, does not work the way it's documented here) in webOS 2.0." heh
Jun 16 18:03:42 <LoneStar99> NuttyBunny: want an div to popup or hide
Jun 16 18:03:43 <oilsworkn> thanks palm
Jun 16 18:03:53 <oilsworkn> on back gesture
Jun 16 18:03:57 <oilsworkn> instead of going back?
Jun 16 18:04:26 <LoneStar99> got the code inplace but does not function, so assuming i am missing a listener
Jun 16 18:04:50 <oilsworkn> you have it in handleCommand?
Jun 16 18:05:18 <oilsworkn> SceneAssistant.prototype.handleCommand = function(event){ if (event.type == Mojo.Event.back) { /* DO SOMETHING, THEY'VE BACKGESTURED! */  } }
Jun 16 18:05:57 <oilsworkn> and if you dont want it to actually go back a scene, put event.stop() in there
Jun 16 18:06:32 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: ok cool thanks
Jun 16 18:07:13 <oilsworkn> np
Jun 16 18:09:31 <pik> i need background image for a scene in my app ...what code should i do in css...can ny1 tell me with an example?
Jun 16 18:14:04 <LoneStar99> pik: a background image that take up all the scene?
Jun 16 18:14:41 <pik> yes it should be in backkground
Jun 16 18:16:19 <pik> all the widgets should be visible
Jun 16 18:16:22 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: was missing the code you pointed out thanks
Jun 16 18:17:59 <LoneStar99> pik like http://uoid.me/oc1
Jun 16 18:18:01 <LoneStar99> ??
Jun 16 18:18:29 <pik> ny pic say stored in my pc
Jun 16 18:18:50 <pik> srry..
Jun 16 18:19:24 <pik> yes exactly like this
Jun 16 18:19:30 <pik> how can i do that
Jun 16 18:19:31 <pik> ?
Jun 16 18:19:34 <LoneStar99> ok let me get you the code
Jun 16 18:19:43 <pik> ok thnx
Jun 16 18:20:27 <LoneStar99> i am using sugardave's cookie system
Jun 16 18:20:57 <oilsworkn> uh oh
Jun 16 18:21:12 <oilsworkn> localStorage > cookies
Jun 16 18:27:05 <pik> lonestar99: if i wish to have  a background theme as a pic stored in my pc...is that possible to do?
Jun 16 18:28:17 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: is localStorage in mojo?
Jun 16 18:29:09 <LoneStar99> pik: http://pastebin.com/Mfr2zEZa
Jun 16 18:29:55 <LoneStar99> pik: have not tried the pc bit
Jun 16 18:30:15 <pik> okz thnx
Jun 16 18:31:23 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: its a browser thing
Jun 16 18:31:28 <oilsworkn> so, anything on 2.x+
Jun 16 18:31:48 <Tibfib> oh yeah
Jun 16 18:32:31 <oilsworkn> and its just so simple
Jun 16 18:32:39 <oilsworkn> localStorage['foo'] = bar;
Jun 16 18:32:42 <ryanwatkins> localStorage is nice - whats the limit? 5MB?
Jun 16 18:32:47 <oilsworkn> not sure
Jun 16 18:33:03 <Tibfib> probably similar to cookies, if there is a limit
Jun 16 18:33:07 * oilsworkn should write app to test the limits
Jun 16 18:33:16 <ryanwatkins> its either 1MB or 5MB I think
Jun 16 18:33:16 <Tibfib> DO DO DO DO IT
Jun 16 18:33:17 <ryanwatkins> likely 5
Jun 16 18:33:26 <oilsworkn> hopefully larger cause its webos
Jun 16 18:33:28 <Tibfib> cookies are 4mb I think.. right?
Jun 16 18:33:37 <oilsworkn> but, you're probably right :(
Jun 16 18:33:52 <Tibfib> it's a per-app basis though, right?
Jun 16 18:33:53 <oilsworkn> not that 5mb isn't more then enough for settings/simple stuff
Jun 16 18:34:00 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 16 18:34:01 <oilsworkn> hopefully lol
Jun 16 18:34:41 <ryanwatkins> would be nice if websites got the current limit and apps got ... more.
Jun 16 18:34:53 <oilsworkn> it would be
Jun 16 18:35:19 <ryanwatkins> I dont think the browser even prompts you for access to more, as  ... other browsers do.
Jun 16 18:35:44 <Tibfib> agreed
Jun 16 18:35:45 <oilsworkn> but if we're getting into a storage discussion, i wish there was something for persistent storage between node and apps
Jun 16 18:35:56 <ryanwatkins> http://arty.name/localstorage.html
Jun 16 18:36:03 <oilsworkn> while db8 had a lot of promise, its not for this
Jun 16 18:36:17 <Tibfib> db8 is awesome.
Jun 16 18:36:23 <Tibfib> but not for settings.
Jun 16 18:36:32 <halfhalo> db8==best of couch and mongo in one
Jun 16 18:37:37 <ryanwatkins> 2.5MB is the limit apparently
Jun 16 18:37:52 <Tibfib> oh, interesting
Jun 16 18:38:07 <oilsworkn> for browser or app?
Jun 16 18:38:15 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: but the limits palm put on it make it useless
Jun 16 18:38:28 <halfhalo> mebe...
Jun 16 18:38:32 <oilsworkn> it does
Jun 16 18:38:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 18:38:39 <oilsworkn> 20mb for ALL apps
Jun 16 18:38:44 <Tibfib> yeah. poor decision
Jun 16 18:38:52 <Tibfib> but honestly, that's a crap load of space for json.
Jun 16 18:38:54 <oilsworkn> its all one "database"
Jun 16 18:38:58 <ryanwatkins> possibly ... bigger in new devices.  *cough* *cough*
Jun 16 18:39:02 <oilsworkn> let me make my own and do more with it
Jun 16 18:39:08 <Tibfib> ryanwatkins: are you a palm employee?
Jun 16 18:39:13 <ryanwatkins> no
Jun 16 18:39:25 <Tibfib> just wondering :)
Jun 16 18:39:26 <oilsworkn> but it still seems to be meant for palm apps/triggers and just-type
Jun 16 18:39:35 <oilsworkn> not for me to store whatever i want in my app
Jun 16 18:42:13 <sugardave> Tibfib: cookies are 4 _K_
Jun 16 18:42:33 <Tibfib> Oh yeah.
Jun 16 18:42:49 <Tibfib> 2.5MB is plenty
Jun 16 18:43:16 <sugardave> I haven't looked at localStorage, but it sounds nice and easy
Jun 16 18:43:35 <ryanwatkins> depends on what you want to put in that 2.5MB
Jun 16 18:43:51 <Tibfib> settings, typically
Jun 16 18:43:52 <halfhalo> really?  mine are about 3"
Jun 16 18:43:53 <halfhalo> and chocolate chip.
Jun 16 18:44:07 <Tibfib> and hopefully localStorage is much more stable than cookies
Jun 16 18:44:19 <ryanwatkins> I found it easier to keep a decent amount of my data structures in localstorage
Jun 16 18:44:33 <ryanwatkins> and only offloaded one large text chunk to websql
Jun 16 18:45:54 <ryanwatkins> how much does spaz typically store?  imagine if you had 20MB of localstorage it might be easier to use than websql.
Jun 16 18:46:34 <Tibfib> I didn't do a lot of work on the mojo version of Spaz, so I'm not sure how much is cached
Jun 16 18:46:43 <Tibfib> Nothing is yet in the enyo version
Jun 16 18:46:46 <ryanwatkins> heh
Jun 16 18:47:15 <nyceane> ello
Jun 16 18:47:39 <nyceane> Adam keeps emailing me during google io and WWDC lol =-|
Jun 16 18:48:45 <oilsworkn> freakin webchat
Jun 16 18:48:57 <halfhalo> get a bouncer!
Jun 16 18:49:06 <Tibfib> or a desktop client
Jun 16 18:49:19 <Tibfib> I got fed up when using a webchat in england
Jun 16 18:49:25 <Tibfib> ended up dl'ing mIRC again
Jun 16 18:49:36 <halfhalo> im so sorry.
Jun 16 18:49:39 <oilsworkn> meh, work pc
Jun 16 18:49:42 <ryanwatkins> cygwin irssi
Jun 16 18:50:45 <oilsworkn> i just wanted to complain about webchat, not actually replace it
Jun 16 18:50:48 <oilsworkn> jeez
Jun 16 18:50:58 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 18:51:17 * halfhalo slaps oil with a large trout
Jun 16 18:54:04 <ryanwatkins> ah, not a day goes by in the forums now without "@font-face will be supported?"
Jun 16 18:54:37 <ryanwatkins> search people, search!
Jun 16 18:55:00 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 18:55:20 <halfhalo> search is for people with space bars
Jun 16 18:55:37 <oilsworkn> sugardave: give me text-shadow before @font-face, thanks
Jun 16 18:57:15 <oilsworkn> whats funny, is when you look at the default styles for mojo, some have text-shadow, but it doesn't work
Jun 16 18:57:59 <ryanwatkins> ha
Jun 16 19:29:48 <Tibfib> dangit people. tweet
Jun 16 19:29:48 <Tibfib> !
Jun 16 19:30:06 <Tibfib> need to test stuff :/
Jun 16 19:30:17 <Loudergood> lol
Jun 16 19:31:14 <LoneStar99> now this is a little much --> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/16/new-apple-technology-stops-iphones-from-filming-live-events/?test=latestnews
Jun 16 19:39:49 <ryanwatkins> create yourself a auto-tweeting program ;)
Jun 16 19:39:57 <hotdp> Tibfib just bought your music app
Jun 16 19:40:01 <oil> lol
Jun 16 19:40:08 <hotdp> it played at my sisters wedding ;)
Jun 16 19:40:08 <oil> just follow more people
Jun 16 19:40:13 <Tibfib> hotdp: whoa, nice!
Jun 16 19:40:19 <Tibfib> oil: no no no
Jun 16 19:44:27 * oil would, but has nothing to tweet
Jun 16 19:44:53 <hotdp> oil: give #css a hug?
Jun 16 19:45:05 <oil> the veer is ALMOST too small
Jun 16 19:45:09 <oil> it feels weirds in my hand
Jun 16 19:45:52 * halfhalo has irresistible urge to make thats what she said joke
Jun 16 19:46:30 <Tibfib> I think making a joke about making a joke counts as making a joke
Jun 16 19:46:55 <hotdp> lol
Jun 16 19:46:57 <hotdp> yer
Jun 16 19:47:31 <oil> too bad to work with it i need that special cable
Jun 16 19:47:39 * oil needs a usb hub
Jun 16 19:47:53 <halfhalo> oil: I know right? stupid cable is a pain.
Jun 16 19:48:00 <Tibfib> yeah it is
Jun 16 19:48:29 <Tibfib> that adapter thing is the only reason I will never seriously use a veer
Jun 16 19:48:42 <oil> its like im all setup for dev, and now i need this extra cable
Jun 16 19:48:42 * Tibfib uses headphone jack all the time
Jun 16 19:48:52 <halfhalo> white veer=chick picking up phone
Jun 16 19:48:58 <Tibfib> DANGIT> TWEET
Jun 16 19:49:40 <Tibfib> and for some reason tweets from my testing account take 5 mins to show up in my real account
Jun 16 19:49:44 <oil> lol
Jun 16 19:49:54 * oil wants to follow tibfibs test account
Jun 16 19:50:37 <Tibfib> "tweet" "test" "@tibfib yo" "test" "this is a post" "post" "yo"
Jun 16 19:50:47 <Tibfib> "hello. world."
Jun 16 19:50:53 <Tibfib> "ddddddddddddddddddddddd" is another good one
Jun 16 19:51:04 <Tibfib> quality tweets from that account
Jun 16 19:51:16 * oil is even more interested now
Jun 16 19:53:20 <oil> look, funkatron tweeted
Jun 16 19:54:11 <Tibfib> need MOAR tweets
Jun 16 19:54:57 <halfhalo> lulz
Jun 16 19:55:11 <sugardave> I tweeted just now
Jun 16 19:55:34 <oil> lol
Jun 16 19:55:52 <Tibfib> haha
Jun 16 19:56:05 <Tibfib> it takes like 4 mins for it to show up :/
Jun 16 19:56:25 <sugardave> that's no good
Jun 16 19:56:37 <oil> fix ur codes!
Jun 16 19:56:47 <Tibfib> yell at funkatron
Jun 16 19:56:58 <oil> FUNKATRON!!
Jun 16 19:57:44 * halfhalo tweeted
Jun 16 19:57:48 <Tibfib> yaay!
Jun 16 19:57:50 <Tibfib> it may work now
Jun 16 19:58:00 <Tibfib> just need to test a few more times :)
Jun 16 19:58:02 <Tibfib> thanks!
Jun 16 19:58:05 <halfhalo> and the tweet is why you dont ask me to tweet.
Jun 16 19:58:26 <Tibfib> sugardave: way to spell tweet wrong :)
Jun 16 19:59:05 <Tibfib> it probably takes a while because I send out a refresh request every 10 seconds
Jun 16 20:03:03 * PatrickC walks in.. looks around
Jun 16 20:04:20 * oil points out that PatrickC is here
Jun 16 20:04:28 * PatrickC waves
Jun 16 20:04:54 * halfhalo wanders out for foos
Jun 16 20:04:56 <halfhalo> food
Jun 16 20:05:02 <Tibfib> foos are good too
Jun 16 20:05:14 * PatrickC wonders how to make a tweak...
Jun 16 20:05:48 <Tibfib> hehehehe. I ran out of requests for the hour
Jun 16 20:05:50 <halfhalo> start doing drugs? oh, wait, thats a tweaker.
Jun 16 20:05:59 <Tibfib> okay. time to do something else.
Jun 16 20:06:06 <PatrickC> tibfib: requests for what lol
Jun 16 20:06:12 <Tibfib> twitter api
Jun 16 20:06:20 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 16 20:06:27 <ryanwatkins> testing api timeouts?  ipfw FTW!
Jun 16 20:06:36 <oil> the veer is fast
Jun 16 20:06:39 <PatrickC> I'm wanting to fix up my patch
Jun 16 20:06:52 <PatrickC> oil: I want one bad..
Jun 16 20:07:15 <oil> this was just sittin on my porch when i got home for lunch
Jun 16 20:07:18 <dohtem> Tibfib: Any plans for Koto on the touchpad?
Jun 16 20:07:18 <halfhalo> oil: yup.  and i hit 6Mb down yesterday :p
Jun 16 20:07:34 <Tibfib> dohtem: nope
Jun 16 20:07:41 <PatrickC> oil: how much? discount?
Jun 16 20:07:47 <oil> $0
Jun 16 20:07:59 <PatrickC> how? webos internals?
Jun 16 20:08:01 <Tibfib> + 500 hours of webOS development
Jun 16 20:08:10 <oil> lol
Jun 16 20:08:20 <oil> not sure how tom got it, but he sent it to me
Jun 16 20:08:32 <Tibfib> oh nice
Jun 16 20:09:01 <oil> ka6sox that is
Jun 16 20:09:05 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 16 20:09:24 * PatrickC will wait till the pre3 comes out... then get a touchpad :)
Jun 16 20:09:42 * oil really wants a pre3
Jun 16 20:10:20 * PatrickC really wants any webos device newer then his pre-
Jun 16 20:10:50 <sugardave> I may have finally some immediate justification for a Pre3 :D
Jun 16 20:11:03 <sugardave> waiting to hear back from my boss
Jun 16 20:11:15 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 16 20:11:22 <Popple3> oil: Don't we all...
Jun 16 20:11:24 <oil> sugardave, always a jerk
Jun 16 20:11:36 <Tibfib> and he won't even un-NDA enyo...
Jun 16 20:11:51 <sugardave> you guys and your one-track minds
Jun 16 20:12:41 <sugardave> I hope we don't end up with the situation we had with 2.x...people are aware that it is imperative to get Enyo out of NDA ASAP
Jun 16 20:13:08 <PatrickC> http://www.tvkim.com/watch/1055/kims-picks-is-this-the-ipad-killer
Jun 16 20:13:11 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 16 20:16:29 <PatrickC> sugardave: how goes palm life? hows the touchpad?
Jun 16 20:18:26 <sugardave> the touchpad is awesome, you should get one
Jun 16 20:18:51 <oil> such a jerk
Jun 16 20:19:15 <PatrickC> sugardave: send me one
Jun 16 20:19:38 <Tibfib> and still under NDA
Jun 16 20:19:59 <PatrickC> the touchpad itself is under NDA?
Jun 16 20:20:22 <sugardave> PatrickC: no, I mean on July 1st :D  all that laptop money you were saving, use it to get the TouchPad instead
Jun 16 20:20:43 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 16 20:20:45 <PatrickC> I'm saving up for a touchpad first, macbook second
Jun 16 20:21:29 <Tibfib> dangit.
Jun 16 20:21:35 <PatrickC> what;
Jun 16 20:21:37 <PatrickC> ?*
Jun 16 20:21:40 <Tibfib> Now I ran out of requests for sending posts form my testing account
Jun 16 20:21:48 <sugardave> bummer
Jun 16 20:22:25 <PatrickC> Tibfib: twitter again?
Jun 16 20:22:31 <Tibfib> yes
Jun 16 20:22:42 <Tibfib> well. what to do.
Jun 16 20:23:04 <PatrickC> making a twitter app?
Jun 16 20:23:15 <Tibfib> I've been working on Spaz HD with funkatron
Jun 16 20:23:24 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 16 20:23:24 <Tibfib> and others
Jun 16 20:23:37 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 16 20:23:47 <PatrickC> spaz hd open source yet?
Jun 16 20:23:56 <Tibfib> Enyo is under nda. so no
Jun 16 20:23:59 <PatrickC> ooo... anyone heard of a Red1 Camera?
Jun 16 20:24:08 <PatrickC> oh.. HD == Enyo, ah ok
Jun 16 20:28:42 <sugardave> haha, my wife just made a stylus for her Nook Color from a static bag
Jun 16 20:28:55 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 16 20:30:06 * PatrickC needed a stylus for his friends itouch..
Jun 16 20:30:20 <PatrickC> they aren't nearly as sensitive as my pre2
Jun 16 20:36:01 <sugardave> haha, http://bit.ly/j2ZQ7J  (don't go there PatrickC)
Jun 16 20:36:18 <PatrickC> uhh.. why lol
Jun 16 20:36:46 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 16 20:37:26 <sugardave> halfhalo: click the "family ________ friendly" link
Jun 16 20:37:50 <halfhalo> hahaha
Jun 16 20:40:47 <sugardave> stupid Google Analytics....why yo no see that my "site" is tracking?
Jun 16 20:41:05 <halfhalo> they want more money!
Jun 16 20:42:37 <PatrickC> http://simpletutorials.org :)
Jun 16 20:53:28 * PatrickC needs to get a new sound board :/
Jun 16 20:55:14 <dohtem> Samuel L. Jackson Soundboard HD.
Jun 16 20:55:21 <halfhalo> YES
Jun 16 20:55:29 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 16 20:55:39 <dohtem> "I want these motherf*cking snakes off this motherf*cking plane!"
Jun 16 20:55:44 <PatrickC> I was talking a physical soundboard lol
Jun 16 20:58:58 <PatrickC> well, I g2g ...
Jun 16 20:59:11 <PatrickC> time to work on the sound at my church, cya all
Jun 16 21:06:05 <optimistic> My friend gave me his Palm Pre (P100UEU) upgraded to webOS 2.1.0 but I cannot create a Palm Profile on it. Any ideas?
Jun 16 21:06:36 <PatrickC> did you activate it with your carrier?
Jun 16 21:07:04 <optimistic> I think so---I can make calls using the emergency call function.
Jun 16 21:07:20 <PatrickC> and you can call whom? 911?
Jun 16 21:07:28 <optimistic> I can call my house.
Jun 16 21:07:28 <PatrickC> or a real person like your house?
Jun 16 21:07:36 <PatrickC> hmm...
Jun 16 21:07:40 <PatrickC> do you have a data plan?
Jun 16 21:07:48 <optimistic> Yes.
Jun 16 21:07:56 <optimistic> The 3G icon shows up.
Jun 16 21:08:23 <PatrickC> hmm.. what happens when you try and create a palm profile?
Jun 16 21:09:11 <optimistic> It says Profile Creation Failed. We were unable to create ... go to palm.com/support for more information... Or, something liek that.
Jun 16 21:10:07 <PatrickC> argg... I have to go, sorry
Jun 16 21:10:13 <PatrickC> #webos-internals can help more
Jun 16 21:10:16 <optimistic> No problem.
Jun 16 21:10:16 <PatrickC> sorry
Jun 16 21:11:13 <PatrickC> thanks bye
Jun 16 21:40:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Hey webOS people.
Jun 16 21:50:39 <sugardave> hello
Jun 16 21:50:51 <Flashpass_> Is anybody aware if HP is still offering the promotion of giving a touchpad to developer's with launch applications meeting certain criteria?
Jun 16 21:56:48 <Loudergood> they were? I'm sure lots of us would love to know what that criteria is.
Jun 16 21:57:56 <ryanwatkins> giving or loaning?
Jun 16 21:58:25 <ryanwatkins> there was also "Show us your app" - https://developer.palm.com/content/community/show_us_your_app.html
Jun 16 21:59:43 <Flashpass_> I think that was what I was referring to - so I guess you had to show it at a workshop to be eligible for that
Jun 16 22:00:00 <ryanwatkins> ya, thats whats kinda confusing
Jun 16 22:00:06 <Flashpass_> I got an email a while back saying to contact TouchpadSDK@palm.com to get more information about it
Jun 16 22:00:30 <ryanwatkins> "How to qualify: Send us an email at TouchPadSDK@palm.com with the subject "HP TouchPad developer promo", and one of our app specialists will work with you to see how you can qualify for this program.  The offer is valid while supplies last. "
Jun 16 22:00:45 <ryanwatkins> and "If you have registered and will be attending an upcoming webOS workshop, you can also show us your app for consideration there."
Jun 16 22:00:53 <Flashpass_> Yeah, which made me think you maybe could qualify without attending a workshop
Jun 16 22:00:53 <ryanwatkins> implying email only ok.
Jun 16 22:03:47 <sugardave> email only is ok, I know at least one dev who got one that way
Jun 16 22:04:08 <Flashpass_> good to know, thanks
Jun 16 22:05:02 <ryanwatkins> so for an app - help menu item required?  And can it be a link to a web page, or has to be an actual UI component?
Jun 16 22:05:27 <LoneStar99> ryanwatkins: just point to a website
Jun 16 22:05:36 <LoneStar99> website support page
Jun 16 22:05:41 <ryanwatkins> cool
Jun 16 22:06:14 <Flashpass_> does that mean launching the browser or directing a web view to the help site?
Jun 16 22:06:19 <Flashpass_> or does it not matter
Jun 16 22:07:23 <ryanwatkins> I read that as "Help Menu click -> Launch Browser to http://www.yoursite.com/help" rather than render a new scene first
Jun 16 22:07:36 <LoneStar99> this is what i did i just point to --> http://bobc.in/im/help/
Jun 16 22:07:48 <Flashpass_> got it, cool
Jun 16 22:15:22 <oilsworkn> fancy
Jun 16 22:28:01 <haeffb> good afternoon, #webos
Jun 16 22:28:19 <oilsworkn> afternoon good sir
Jun 16 22:29:03 <haeffb> sugardave: lol at the family friendly version
Jun 16 22:29:05 <haeffb> really, ol
Jun 16 22:29:27 <haeffb> oilsworkn: I pledge not to blame you for the remainder of the evening.
Jun 16 22:29:42 <oilsworkn> a whole evening off?
Jun 16 22:29:46 <oilsworkn> what will i do!?
Jun 16 22:30:58 <haeffb> hope that no one else blames you for something?
Jun 16 22:31:28 * oilsworkn crosses fingers
Jun 16 22:34:19 <Loudergood> it's no motorcycle, but I finally got my hands on an intel mac mini
Jun 16 22:34:34 <Loudergood> (not oil's fault)
Jun 16 22:47:33 <sugardave> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/06/submissions-for-in-app-purchase-items-now-open/
Jun 16 22:50:32 <twbbas> Hah nice. Youtube added a Nyan Cat progress bar to the Nyan Cat video: http://youtu.be/QH2-TGUlwu4
Jun 16 22:51:23 <oilsworkn> hha awesome
Jun 16 22:52:10 <PuffTheMagic> lol awesome
Jun 16 22:53:00 <PuffTheMagic> webos needs a nyan cat app
Jun 16 22:53:28 <PuffTheMagic> exhibition mode nyan cat
Jun 16 22:53:29 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Jun 16 22:54:07 * oilsworkn would buy it
Jun 16 22:54:22 <ryanwatkins> great, fixed a few things then broke something working.  bleh
Jun 16 22:54:36 <haeffb> ryanwatkins: story of my life
Jun 16 22:54:50 <ryanwatkins> lesson: commit frequently!
Jun 16 22:54:58 <ryanwatkins> *sigh*
Jun 16 22:55:06 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jun 16 22:55:35 <dohtem> how do users feel about scrims?
Jun 16 22:55:44 <oilsworkn> depends on the usage
Jun 16 22:55:50 <ryanwatkins> dont block my UI unless you *really* have to.
Jun 16 22:57:01 <haeffb> var len = this.length >>> 0;
Jun 16 22:57:05 <haeffb> what's >>> ?
Jun 16 22:57:43 <dohtem> bitwise shift
Jun 16 22:57:44 <sugardave> some crazy bit-shifting thing
Jun 16 22:57:49 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 16 22:57:53 <dohtem> havent seen that since C++
Jun 16 22:58:00 <ryanwatkins> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Bitwise_Operators
Jun 16 22:58:09 <sugardave> it's in the md5 shit for oauth libraries
Jun 16 22:58:27 <sugardave> er sha1/hmac shit
Jun 16 23:05:09 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 16 23:23:52 <haeffb> hi rwhitby
Jun 16 23:44:45 <oil_dev> gotta lower the font size on the veer :)
Jun 16 23:44:56 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 16 23:46:05 <oil_dev> I really like it
Jun 16 23:46:37 <oil_dev> my pre feels big now
Jun 16 23:47:26 <rwhitby> oil_dev: wait till you get the TP, then it will feel small again
Jun 16 23:47:40 <oil_dev> lol
Jun 16 23:48:04 <bpadalino> size queens
Jun 16 23:51:50 <oil_dev> so uberkernel? aww
Jun 16 23:52:05 <oil_dev> still, its fast
Jun 16 23:52:57 * haeffb wonders if rwhitby has bricked a TP yet
Jun 16 23:54:27 <sugardave> been wondering why GA stuff isn't working, I was under the impression the stats/events would be live....but apparently not
Jun 16 23:54:46 <twbbas> So did HP send webOS Internals TouchPads because they're webOS Internals or because they participated in the "Show us your app" deal?
Jun 16 23:55:00 <twbbas> Or both?
Jun 16 23:55:37 <twbbas> Just curious because I haven't heard anything about HP shipping TouchPads to developers in that program yet
Jun 16 23:55:44 <oil_dev> it also really snaps to the touchstone
Jun 16 23:55:55 <bpadalino> oh they sent you a touchstone too ?
Jun 16 23:56:56 <oil_dev> no I have one for my pre
Jun 16 23:57:20 <oil_dev> the veers small size fits into its concave shape better
Jun 16 23:57:27 <Popple3> twbbas: have you sent something into the "Show us your app" program?
Jun 16 23:57:44 <sugardave> twbbas: I know at least one dev who has gotten one from the loaner program
Jun 16 23:58:23 <bpadalino> oh, i see
Jun 16 23:59:50 <twbbas> Popple3: I have not but I hope to next week
Jun 17 00:00:02 <Tommy> twbbas: sup cat ownah
Jun 17 00:00:12 <Popple3> twbbas: M'kay. Was just wondering if anyone's actually heard back from it at all
Jun 17 00:00:14 <rwhitby> twbbas: both reasons.
Jun 17 00:00:16 <twbbas> sugardave: The "show us your app" program is only for loaners? or is that a different program
Jun 17 00:00:32 <twbbas> Hey, Tommy
Jun 17 00:00:36 <Tommy> what's good
Jun 17 00:00:39 <twbbas> Popple3: Same.
Jun 17 00:02:03 <sugardave> twbbas: not sure about the details, actually
Jun 17 00:02:58 <haeffb> sugardave: loaner is different than "show us your app and we'll send you a touchpad" program
Jun 17 00:03:06 <twbbas> sugardave: I hope it's not a loaner program =\. Kinda just turned off my motivation for working so much on this app to get it out quickly
Jun 17 00:03:20 <sugardave> twbbas: what haeffb said
Jun 17 00:03:28 <twbbas> haeffb: I like :)
Jun 17 00:05:13 <twbbas> For the current developer device programs, is there a limit to the amount of devices you can get at a discount or not?
Jun 17 00:05:27 <Popple3> twbbas: one of each afaik
Jun 17 00:05:52 <rwhitby> twbbas: http://bit.ly/show-us-your-enyo-app is the program we took part in to get some TouchPads
Jun 17 00:07:19 <twbbas> rwhitby: Yeah, that's the one I'm trying to get into. I can't make any of the workshops or webOS Connect events so I'm doing it through email.
Jun 17 00:12:14 <twbbas> I was also pleasantly suprised that they were sending TouchPads ahead of launch. I just assumed that they would send them after the launch.
Jun 17 00:13:52 <rwhitby> they're still under NDA, but I got permission to state that we're getting them.
Jun 17 00:14:16 <rwhitby> so don't expect screenshots or reviews before launch
Jun 17 00:14:24 <twbbas> That makes sense and explains why we haven't heard of anyone getting any
Jun 17 00:15:04 <rwhitby> I figured a bit of good news wouldn't go astray ...
Jun 17 00:15:57 <Popple3> rwhitby: Good news is always welcome
Jun 17 00:17:19 <twbbas> I feel like it really lightened the mood of the webOS community
Jun 17 00:19:34 <Popple3> twbbas: Now let's hope they don't forget about the little devs ;)
Jun 17 00:23:03 <rwhitby> Popple3: have you sent in an Enyo app?
Jun 17 00:24:16 <Popple3> rwhitby: Yup, haven't heard back yet though for the show us your app program. It was rejected on first submission to App Catalog though thanks to me completely forgetting about a small little thing. Fixed and resubmitted now
Jun 17 00:24:46 <rwhitby> Popple3: I suspect having folks there is person helped ;)
Jun 17 00:25:56 <Popple3> rwhitby: Or that they know homebrew essential to the experience for some people
Jun 17 00:27:08 <twbbas> Popple3: I can't wait to run Preware on a TouchPad
Jun 17 00:27:18 <sugardave> it's pretty sweet :D
Jun 17 00:27:26 <sugardave> even though mine is tiny
Jun 17 00:27:37 <twbbas> emulation window? haha
Jun 17 00:28:38 <Popple3> note to self: Make special effort to get over to the UK for next webOS dev event
Jun 17 00:29:03 <Popple3> just need a load of people to buy my app and I'll be sorted :P
Jun 17 00:29:16 <sugardave> go go go!
Jun 17 00:29:39 <twbbas> Popple3: Heh, I wish I could go to the Toronto one. It's the closest one to me so far but still too far for me. :( We need a midwest one!
Jun 17 00:30:07 <twbbas> Wow that was a tongue twister
Jun 17 00:30:28 <twbbas> kinda
Jun 17 00:31:23 <haeffb> twbbas: where u at?
Jun 17 00:31:55 <twbbas> haeffb: Michigan
Jun 17 00:32:05 * haeffb down and to your left
Jun 17 00:32:18 <twbbas> haha, nice
Jun 17 00:32:41 <twbbas> Chicago would be a good place
Jun 17 00:32:44 <Popple3> twbbas: College means I don't exactly have the funds to travel outside of the country. Even paying for accommodation in Ireland for a night or two would be a stretch at the moment :(
Jun 17 00:32:45 <sugardave> oh hell, Sunday is Father's Day?
Jun 17 00:32:55 <rwhitby> in the US, yes.
Jun 17 00:33:11 <Popple3> rwhitby, sugardave: And Ireland and the UK
Jun 17 00:33:41 <sugardave> well, looks like Dad's getting the combo birthday-Father's Day present again
Jun 17 00:33:57 <twbbas> Popple3: Same here. I would prefer something close to home and Chicago would be even closer to me when I am back at college in the fall
Jun 17 00:34:10 <rwhitby> touchpad pre-order for father's day ...
Jun 17 00:34:29 <twbbas> I got my Dad a Touchstone dock, charging cable, and Pixi Touchstone back for Father's day :D
Jun 17 00:34:40 <twbbas> All for under $20 from good deals
Jun 17 00:34:54 <Popple3> my dad's getting some money in a card... lol He's impossible to buy for -__-
Jun 17 00:35:00 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 17 00:35:01 <twbbas> haha
Jun 17 00:35:25 <twbbas> I taught my dad today that he can open up more than 1 app at at time on his Pixi
Jun 17 00:36:26 <Popple3> heh, I couldn't get my dad to use a smartphone no matter how hard I try
Jun 17 00:36:34 <Popple3> my mum's and Android user though
Jun 17 00:36:38 <Popple3> *an Android
Jun 17 00:37:55 <twbbas> My Dad is barely at the level needed to use a smartphone. He has had his Pixi for 9 months or so and still types by poking 1 finger around.
Jun 17 00:38:08 * twbbas gets annoyed watching him type
Jun 17 00:43:09 <Loudergood> I upgraded my dad to a razr last year
Jun 17 00:43:10 * halfhalo is going itunes gift card
Jun 17 00:46:02 <twbbas> Loudergood: haha that's awesome
Jun 17 00:47:04 <Loudergood> it was a huge improvement
Jun 17 00:49:12 <halfhalo> I tried an expensive gift last year... it didn't work out
Jun 17 00:53:35 <Flashpass_> rwhitby: thanks for the info on the touchpad promotion, do you know if it is still open?  I am about to submit an app myself and am trying to get in a little late to the party
Jun 17 01:00:14 <oil> you know, the veer is the first webos device ive touched without even a little oreo action
Jun 17 01:00:17 <oil> its rock solid
Jun 17 01:00:58 <bpadalino> that bodes well for the pre3
Jun 17 01:01:10 <bpadalino> my pre and pre2 have a bit of wobble :(
Jun 17 01:01:34 <rwatkins> pre2 alot better than the pre-
Jun 17 01:02:04 <rwatkins> just wondering if the pre3 will feel too thick given its larger size
Jun 17 01:02:30 <sugardave> it's barely indistinguishable from the Pre 2, imo
Jun 17 01:02:42 <sugardave> maybe a LITTLE thicker, but not really noticeable
Jun 17 01:02:45 <sugardave> to me
Jun 17 01:02:49 <oil> but i mean, even my only-used-for-dev pre2 has a LITTLE wobble
Jun 17 01:02:53 <oil> veer has none
Jun 17 01:03:07 <twbbas> oil: You obviously haven't touched a pixi then :p
Jun 17 01:03:13 <oil> ok got me there
Jun 17 01:03:17 <oil> its got no wobble either
Jun 17 01:03:25 <oil> i always forget about it
Jun 17 01:03:42 <oil> but all its got going for it is its keyboard haha
Jun 17 01:03:49 <rwatkins> sugardave: ya, just wondering if I'm more forgiving of the thickness in the shorter formfactors.  will see I guess
Jun 17 01:04:13 <rwatkins> really *love* the form factor of the nexus s.  feels right.
Jun 17 01:05:25 <Popple3> rwatkins: I've actually gone off phones like that since I got my Pre 2
Jun 17 01:06:19 <Popple3> came from a HTC Desire, can't can't imagine myself going back to something like that again
Jun 17 01:06:55 <rwatkins> i use a pre2, nexus s and iphone 3gs fairly often now, nexus s my fav of the bunch at the moment.
Jun 17 01:07:40 <Popple3> the wobble on the pre 2 does annoy me a bit though, and it's tendency to unlock and ring people against my leg. Had to buy a pouch for it to stop that happening
Jun 17 01:07:53 <rwatkins> used a galaxy s epic for a while was just to .. thick.
Jun 17 01:09:21 <rwatkins> i hope that with the pre3 you'll be able to use both the soft or hard keyboard if you want.
Jun 17 01:09:27 <twbbas> Popple3: How does it pocket dial? I've NEVER had that problem with my Pre-
Jun 17 01:09:47 <twbbas> rwatkins: me too
Jun 17 01:10:04 <twbbas> rwatkins: Landscape soft keyboard would rock on the Pre 3
Jun 17 01:10:15 <Popple3> twbbas: screen against my leg somehow manages to ring people
Jun 17 01:10:27 <Popple3> haven't had a problem since I got my pouch for it
Jun 17 01:10:42 <twbbas> Popple3: Weird. That's the thing that I loved about my Pre- that other people hate with their phones
Jun 17 01:10:47 <rwatkins> going commando?
Jun 17 01:11:02 <twbbas> haha
Jun 17 01:11:03 <Popple3> The day I got a text from my girlfriend saying "So... you say fuck a lot" made me go and get a pouch
Jun 17 01:11:04 <Flashpass_> lol
Jun 17 01:11:04 <Popple3> lol
Jun 17 01:11:29 <twbbas> I've only ever used the pouch/sleeping bag to clean the screen
Jun 17 01:12:16 <twbbas> I wish they came with the new phones being released
Jun 17 01:13:15 <Popple3> twbbas: Yeah, I think they just though "Hey, the casing isn't glossy anymore, we don't need something to get rid of the fingerprints"
Jun 17 01:13:33 <twbbas> But the screen!
Jun 17 01:14:57 <Popple3> for some reason my Pre 2 screen tends to get worse than any other touchscreen phone I've owned, and yet I use it less since, you know, hw keyboard :P
Jun 17 01:15:25 <rwhitby> oil: veer doesn't oreo because the slider is vertical with some width to it, whereas the Pre was just circles in groove.
Jun 17 01:43:42 * PatrickC walks in
Jun 17 01:46:21 <Loudergood> 'ello
Jun 17 01:46:57 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/hp-reaffirms-homebrew-support-sending-touchpads-webos-internals
Jun 17 01:47:04 <PatrickC> umm.. awesome!!
Jun 17 02:48:24 <PatrickC> hey cwayne1
Jun 17 02:48:53 <cwayne1> PatrickC: yoo
Jun 17 02:49:25 <PatrickC> whats up man?
Jun 17 02:49:56 <cwayne1> nathin
Jun 17 02:49:56 <cwayne1> you
Jun 17 02:50:41 <PatrickC> nm.. just thinking about an app..
Jun 17 02:51:37 <PatrickC> I want to do the app, but it would take some time to do, and I don't feel like working :P
Jun 17 02:51:58 <PatrickC> dkirker!!
Jun 17 02:52:09 <dkirker> hi PatrickC
Jun 17 02:52:59 <halfhalo> rabblerabblerabble!
Jun 17 02:53:00 <PatrickC> how's the touchpad?
Jun 17 02:53:20 <dkirker> touchpad? what is that
Jun 17 02:53:22 <dkirker> ?
Jun 17 02:53:38 <halfhalo> its an ipad with an hp sticker on the back.
Jun 17 02:53:51 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 17 02:55:05 <PatrickC> how's universe?
Jun 17 02:55:13 <rwatkins> and only in black
Jun 17 02:56:48 <rwatkins> two hours search for a bug.  fix?  two line "optimization" i made when way to sleepy
Jun 17 02:57:02 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 17 02:57:35 <bpadalino> premature optimization is the source of all evil
Jun 17 02:58:55 <twbbas> rwatkins: But don't you feel so accomplished when you find those pesky bugs?
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