**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 17 02:59:56 2011 Jun 17 03:00:55 twbbas: no, i feel like thats two hours of my life .. gone. Jun 17 03:01:39 Universe? boy... I haven't had much time... Jun 17 03:01:40 two hours better spent writing a feature Jun 17 03:02:19 Universe - enyo-ize that baby Jun 17 03:12:14 iMac $325 http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/2441106503.html Jun 17 03:15:56 who needs an old non-intel mac? Jun 17 03:16:04 that wont' run any current os x Jun 17 03:16:36 I'll stick with my non-intel NeXT cube. Jun 17 03:17:54 if you want to run something 'current' on it, you're sorta stuck running a less-supported version of linux on it Jun 17 03:17:56 I need a mac.. and intel sadly Jun 17 03:18:06 at which point, you might as well drop $325 on a newer intel pc Jun 17 03:18:13 didn't notice the non-intel part Jun 17 03:18:23 http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/2436154755.html Jun 17 03:18:46 and then watch Apple ditch Intel for their own processor. Jun 17 03:18:54 lol Jun 17 03:19:04 I need a mac for iOS development Jun 17 03:19:08 would then be .. 4? architectures over the years. Jun 17 03:19:38 I want an i7 Jun 17 03:19:44 3.33GHz Jun 17 03:19:59 the one I want is $999.99 :/ processor only... Jun 17 03:20:22 more if you count NeXTstep as essentially OSX. Jun 17 03:20:58 can you do iOS dev'ing on NeXTstep? Jun 17 03:21:06 ha, no. Jun 17 03:21:26 then I'm not interested lol Jun 17 03:21:49 last release of it was 16 yrs ago. :) Jun 17 03:22:00 Before I was born hahaha Jun 17 03:22:30 wow. Jun 17 03:22:45 * PatrickC was born in '96 Jun 17 03:23:38 OLD Jun 17 03:23:52 lol Jun 17 03:23:58 lol Jun 17 03:24:03 the web is older than you. crazy. Jun 17 03:24:06 definition of old: oil Jun 17 03:24:12 :) Jun 17 03:24:26 no, rwhitby is older then i am Jun 17 03:24:32 $625? only really worth it for 2k11 Jun 17 03:24:40 you can get a new one for ~1k Jun 17 03:24:53 lol, I was gonna say him, but didn't feel like getting in trouble with him (again) lol Jun 17 03:25:09 dwc-: I don't have 1k lol Jun 17 03:25:10 i think chuq has us all beat Jun 17 03:25:16 lol Jun 17 03:25:21 no, no, make old be something younger than rwhitby, so he can feel even older Jun 17 03:26:05 hmm.. how many under 30 here? Jun 17 03:26:24 * oil is 26 Jun 17 03:26:34 just squeaking in at 29 Jun 17 03:26:43 a year after you were born I sold my first startup to MSFT. Jun 17 03:27:14 * rwatkins is not under 30. Jun 17 03:27:16 what did your first startup do ? Jun 17 03:27:25 java Jun 17 03:27:28 * rwhitby is not under 40 Jun 17 03:27:30 interesting Jun 17 03:27:40 java implementation of VRML, and other stuff. Jun 17 03:27:55 did you stick around at MSFT long after the acquisition ? Jun 17 03:27:57 cuz you know, 3d navigation was the wave of the future Jun 17 03:28:06 lol Jun 17 03:28:14 * dwc- is not under 30 Jun 17 03:28:15 3 yrs. was a good experience. Jun 17 03:28:27 cool Jun 17 03:28:36 were you happy you sold to MSFT ? Jun 17 03:28:40 very Jun 17 03:28:58 it was MSFT or SUN. clearly made the better choice in hindsight Jun 17 03:29:16 had to move to Redmond, but learned alot. Jun 17 03:29:22 cool Jun 17 03:29:59 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/16/deep-shot-transfers-open-websites-from-desktop-to-mobile-sans-w/ Jun 17 03:30:14 touch-to-share? but in picture form lol Jun 17 03:30:20 * twbbas is under 20 :o Jun 17 03:30:35 PatrickC: read the fine print - it requires a proprietary PC app to work Jun 17 03:30:40 * PatrickC is under 16 :) Jun 17 03:30:49 I saw that rwhitby Jun 17 03:30:51 * rwatkins is not under 40. Jun 17 03:30:56 I'm no longer under 30...not since last week Jun 17 03:31:06 Happy Bday Jun 17 03:31:14 Loudergood: happy birthday Jun 17 03:31:22 cant be trusted anymore. over 30. Jun 17 03:31:29 lol Jun 17 03:31:42 I'm also not over 30 Jun 17 03:31:52 heh Jun 17 03:32:03 * halfhalo turns 21 right before his next vegas trip Jun 17 03:32:07 hmm... I'm guessing you are 30? lol Jun 17 03:32:13 halfhalo: Perfect timing! Jun 17 03:32:23 halfhalo: don't loose all your money yet :P Jun 17 03:32:25 yup! esp since its ces trip! Jun 17 03:32:42 cool Jun 17 03:32:56 twbbas: how old are you? Jun 17 03:33:07 * twbbas is not under 19 Jun 17 03:33:34 lol Jun 17 03:33:38 ;) Jun 17 03:33:41 well, I'm off to bed... night all Jun 17 03:33:48 so, ur 18? :) Jun 17 03:33:51 G'night. I should sleep now Jun 17 03:33:55 Your math is wrong Jun 17 03:34:02 lol.. Jun 17 03:34:06 I was kidding Jun 17 03:34:08 and night Jun 17 03:34:09 :D Jun 17 03:34:10 Cya Jun 17 03:35:42 hey we're playing the age game again Jun 17 03:35:52 yep Jun 17 03:39:16 so who usually wins? Jun 17 03:39:37 rwhitby Jun 17 03:39:41 well, define win Jun 17 03:39:48 true Jun 17 03:45:31 hmm. I can't remember who wins out of haeffb and rwhitby and rboatright Jun 17 03:47:17 dimension x, huh Jun 17 03:47:41 PatrickC: so are you a sophmore this next year? Jun 17 03:48:01 ya Jun 17 03:48:19 cool cool Jun 17 03:48:26 odd name, but the X stood out well in the press Jun 17 04:13:36 G.EVENing peeps Jun 17 04:36:37 http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/48698/i-dont-program-in-my-spare-time-does-that-make-me-a-bad-developer Jun 17 04:59:10 dohtem: good little blog Jun 17 05:02:43 hey sugardave? Jun 17 05:03:39 no bueno, app is crashing emu =( Jun 17 05:46:23 what does it mean when your app makes the emu and device restart... not good (memory failue?) Jun 17 06:00:32 Gutten morgen Jun 17 06:00:56 bueno dias Jun 17 06:01:04 :D Jun 17 06:01:28 LoneStar99: did you get your json prop fixed? Jun 17 06:02:07 give me 2 minuts Jun 17 06:04:44 sorry - damn safari was killing memory Jun 17 06:04:50 :) Jun 17 06:05:00 got that issue resolved, but more issues to fix Jun 17 06:05:13 :) its always like that Jun 17 06:06:44 yeah this app is killing everything --> browsers, 1.4.5 emulator, 2.1, and once and a while da pre Jun 17 06:33:44 Mmm… Gotta say. The Magic Trackpad is pretty magic. Jun 17 06:33:59 eh? Jun 17 06:34:07 Especially paired with Better Touch Tool. Jun 17 06:34:21 It's basically a bluetooth stand alone version of a Macbook Pro trackpad. Jun 17 07:28:04 SineOt: love BTT :D Jun 17 07:28:17 tmandry: yeah, it's awesome Jun 17 07:28:26 still trying to figure out how to turn off some of the built in OSX gestures Jun 17 07:28:50 what all do you have set up in it? all I really use it for is switching spaces and moving a window to another screen right now Jun 17 07:29:04 and have you tried System Settings -> Trackpad? :p Jun 17 07:49:17 Yeah, I have :p Jun 17 07:49:31 But there's nothing about four finger side swipes going back and forth in Safari Jun 17 07:49:36 at least not that I could tell Jun 17 12:28:03 morning peeps Jun 17 12:32:44 wow pre3 available in germany now Jun 17 12:33:30 http://uoid.me/pre2 Jun 17 12:46:22 no it's not Jun 17 12:46:38 a shop-front in Amazon.de (not amazon itself) is taking pre-orders Jun 17 12:50:28 oh ok, did not read my deutsch correctly .. lol Jun 17 13:35:59 morning Jun 17 13:40:58 * PatrickC waves to NuttyBunny Jun 17 13:41:02 hey! Jun 17 13:42:05 * PatrickC needs to start development on *secret app* but also needs to do other things... Jun 17 13:42:12 decisions, decisions... Jun 17 13:42:51 howdy boys Jun 17 13:43:05 and gals if any in at the moment Jun 17 13:45:15 hey lonestar99 Jun 17 13:50:43 There is 1wk 6days 21hrs 10mins 51secs until the HP TouchPad launches Jun 17 13:51:10 At least in the Eastern time zone :D Jun 17 14:02:05 * halfhalo yawns goodmorning Jun 17 14:05:54 it's morning anyway Jun 17 14:11:17 morning halfhalo Jun 17 14:46:26 grhsgwyef its to early for me to be on campus during summer... Jun 17 14:47:45 where's that damn zune, its margaritaville time up in here Jun 17 14:52:49 halfhalo: why are you on campus? Jun 17 14:54:45 job. finally got access to stupid testing webshare (yes, webshare. our php apps are served off a damn nfs webdrive) so I get to stick in a one line fix and then sleep while it goes through pentesting again Jun 17 14:55:28 then stick it on our production share. Jun 17 14:55:28 * PatrickC needs to finish that touchpad app... Jun 17 14:56:21 stupid php Jun 17 14:58:05 at least I get to annoy people with jimmey buffet. I can take some solace in that. Jun 17 15:00:13 where woudl you rather they be served off of? Jun 17 15:01:04 a real freaking php app server. Jun 17 15:01:39 oh, I misunderstood, I thought you meant NFS was the backing storage for your app server Jun 17 15:01:58 one with an http server which doesn't flipflop on the need for shebangs every month Jun 17 15:03:01 no, the app itself is stored on nfs, and the storage server has php installed and httpd. its a pos Jun 17 15:04:16 the best part is my dept HAS a vm infra that we could use. except central it who manage that fails at life. Jun 17 15:05:00 * halfhalo is very bitter today Jun 17 15:05:05 lolol Jun 17 15:06:16 just today, eh? Jun 17 15:06:31 well, it IS friday Jun 17 15:17:44 morning, all. Jun 17 15:18:02 morning chuq Jun 17 15:18:07 howdy chuqui Jun 17 15:19:41 hola! Jun 17 15:20:43 hello benevolent master! Jun 17 15:21:10 * dohtem is just trying to weasel a touchpad Jun 17 15:21:31 aren't we all Jun 17 15:22:33 happy freday Jun 17 15:24:31 I am excited that the TouchPad launches in less than two weeks Jun 17 15:25:02 I wonder what it will be like to see a product that isn't hidden behind the counter at a wireless store Jun 17 15:25:43 It feels like Sprint, Verizon and AT&T "bury" their webOS products in different ways Jun 17 15:26:34 * Tibfib wants a touchpad Jun 17 15:26:42 * summatusmentis wants a pre3 on sprint >_> Jun 17 15:26:51 don't we all... Jun 17 15:26:52 I hope developer pricing is available at launch Jun 17 15:26:56 * rwatkins wants an unlocked pre3. Jun 17 15:27:03 * halfhalo wants a coke Jun 17 15:27:10 * singmajesty loves his Veer Jun 17 15:29:27 It does feel fun to send email with "Sent by my HP TouchPad" in the signature line Jun 17 15:30:35 how about you get me a TP and then you can receive email that way too :) Jun 17 15:32:03 lol Jun 17 15:33:00 I trust that you are creative enough to find a way to send that message without a TouchPad ;) Jun 17 15:34:01 It would be funny if someone just decided to use a signature line like that, just for kicks Jun 17 15:34:20 * halfhalo whistles Jun 17 15:34:52 actually, I have set my signature to be "sent from Microsoft Outlook on Windows 2000" before Jun 17 15:35:23 Awesome. I used to love Windows 2000 Jun 17 15:35:34 I really dislike the signatures that say "sent from my XYZ", personally Jun 17 15:35:38 I was glad when I realized Windows XP came from 2000, not 98 Jun 17 15:35:58 "Sent from my email client" Jun 17 15:36:20 I just don't see the point of telling people how you sent your email Jun 17 15:36:31 status symbol Jun 17 15:36:34 "sent from the crapper" Jun 17 15:36:50 hahaha Jun 17 15:36:51 "Sent from my i-device. Don't you wish you had one too?" Jun 17 15:37:09 but "sent from my Verizon Blackberry" isn't a status symbol at all Jun 17 15:37:19 No, that's just grasping for straws Jun 17 15:37:55 one article I read suggested it was a way of letting people know you're writing emails from a mobile device and to please excuse any typos/short emails Jun 17 15:37:59 but that's stupid Jun 17 15:38:47 I find it weird how people habitually misspell when texting Jun 17 15:39:05 to type "luv you 2" you need to hit 10 keys Jun 17 15:39:17 "love you too" costs you 12 keys Jun 17 15:39:32 and makes you sound like you graduated elementary school. I think its worth it :) Jun 17 15:39:51 I agree 100% Jun 17 15:39:52 wonder from whom microsoft got this idea from... --> http://uoid.me/cnet16 Jun 17 15:42:02 Charging without wires, syncing services and data all over the internet, multi-tasking... Jun 17 15:42:13 Oh, and web apps are native Jun 17 15:42:32 Time only shows me how, I think, they really were onto something with the design of webOS from the start Jun 17 15:42:52 Even though it was a shocker to some who were used to hot-syncing, etc. Jun 17 15:43:02 gross, hot-syncing Jun 17 15:43:10 I used a centro, and hated that it was tied to a computer for sync Jun 17 15:43:16 Yeah, ick, now it seems like a foul word Jun 17 15:43:48 don't get me wrong, I like that I owned all my own data that way Jun 17 15:44:08 I wish palm would provide specs for people to host their own profile sync stuff Jun 17 15:44:14 I wish it was easier to use something like db8 in an application and sync it to your own servers Jun 17 15:51:00 singmajesty: have you tried to sync db8 to cloud servers? Jun 17 15:52:08 As far as I know, db8 storage space on the device is shared between all applications, and is synced with Palm servers for backup, but cannot be backed up to your own server Jun 17 15:52:19 I may be wrong. I would like being wrong in this case :) Jun 17 15:52:49 I would love to do some cross-user sync in applications, and having an automated sync protocol is much easier than doing it by hand Jun 17 15:52:50 you're right, afaik the db8 stuff goes with your Palm Profile Jun 17 15:53:14 but I agree, I'd love to be able to back my stuff on my own server Jun 17 15:54:21 I wanted to be able to do user sharing, using a system like Wii friend codes Jun 17 15:54:34 So instead of sharing comments and insights with everyone in the world, you share it with people you know Jun 17 15:54:49 Then it becomes a little more interactive in the spirit of community Jun 17 15:55:19 This was for notes and comments on material you are both reading Jun 17 15:58:21 I thought there WAS going to be some way to throw around your db8 stuff to other nosql stuff Jun 17 15:58:40 but, I'm ashamed to admit I haven't touched db8 at all....I'm still holding onto sqlite Jun 17 15:58:45 Before the feature was released, I remember that being discussed, syncing to CouchDB Jun 17 15:58:50 yeah Jun 17 15:58:57 ...but I think that maybe it is only synced to CouchDB on our servers? Jun 17 15:59:02 weak Jun 17 15:59:19 oh hey Jun 17 15:59:23 Maybe it is another area where it could just grow some more, but limited resources Jun 17 15:59:27 singmajesty: you wrote the featured apps app? Jun 17 15:59:44 Oh, no. I wrote Bible Reader, MineHX, Hoops and Whack-A-Mole Jun 17 15:59:45 nnggggg..... webos still fails to connect to campus wifi Jun 17 16:00:01 I've only been with Palm for two or three months Jun 17 16:00:21 singmajesty: grrr....I thought Arthur said it was you. I need someone to bounce Google Analytics stuff off of Jun 17 16:01:01 and it somewhat works based on code in featured apps, but not all the way Jun 17 16:01:15 I think Balmer knows more about that... right? Jun 17 16:01:50 heh, he let Art and I take it from him...he is doing a lot Jun 17 16:03:37 sugardave: fix my webos wifi issues. Jun 17 16:04:30 reboot the router Jun 17 16:04:40 with extreme prejudice Jun 17 16:04:55 not the issue. make webos support mschapv2 peap. Jun 17 16:05:28 well, I could do that....but then that would make your life easier, so no Jun 17 16:06:16 bastid Jun 17 16:09:48 * PatrickC thinks enyo should be public Jun 17 16:10:08 what? you're kidding Jun 17 16:10:18 you must be the only person who thinks that Jun 17 16:10:36 :) Jun 17 16:11:04 inorit Jun 17 16:11:40 lol Jun 17 16:13:03 sugardave: put a rush on that :) Jun 17 16:13:21 I blame chuqui Jun 17 16:13:30 sugardave: guilty. Jun 17 16:13:43 put the rush on sending out the loaner devices instead Jun 17 16:13:50 chuqui is never the issue, adora is :) Jun 17 16:14:05 anyone wanna poke Adam Danielski for me? Jun 17 16:14:34 rwatkins: Poor adam. guess how many bruises he has? Jun 17 16:15:11 heh, i bet. when you get email from dev relations at 2:30am you realize youre kinda busy these days .. Jun 17 16:15:32 lol Jun 17 16:15:40 that one not Adam tho. Jun 17 16:15:48 * PatrickC is waiting for his email back about the touchpad program Jun 17 16:16:05 okay, so I have a bit of a problem.... Jun 17 16:16:24 let me guess, you need @font-face support? Jun 17 16:16:27 I emailed months ago about a free pre2 device, and never heard anything. I assumed that meant I wasn't getting one :) Jun 17 16:16:36 rwatkins: lol Jun 17 16:16:53 well, yes, I need @font-face support, but I can yell at those folks directly. Jun 17 16:16:57 heh Jun 17 16:17:08 summatusmentis: send an email to pdc asking for a status update. Jun 17 16:17:15 chuqui: I did that too Jun 17 16:17:19 Maybe we could create a PDK service that renders a static image using the desired font Jun 17 16:17:23 summatusmentis: it may, but sometimes poking a stick at them shakes at least a resolution loose. Jun 17 16:17:26 or, no, I emailed adam directly Jun 17 16:17:29 ...not as good as true font-face support, but it could work. Jun 17 16:17:33 summatusmentis: poor adam. Jun 17 16:17:39 chuqui: is the problem that you don't have my address to send the touchpad to? :) Jun 17 16:17:51 okay, here's the thing. I sort of have a bar bet going on here on the inside. Jun 17 16:17:51 I'll add that to my "diabolical list of hacky things to develop and share" Jun 17 16:17:57 chuqui: the other thing to bear in mind, I've not written an app copmletely Jun 17 16:18:02 completely* Jun 17 16:18:14 I win, if we can get one of the webOS blog sites to report on a rumor I want to start. Jun 17 16:18:25 that can be done Jun 17 16:18:27 hah Jun 17 16:18:29 hmm.. I have a webos blog :) Jun 17 16:18:32 "I want to believe" Jun 17 16:18:47 the rumor is -- the name of the next webOS phone to be announced is going to be the "Quel" Jun 17 16:18:54 hahaha Jun 17 16:19:05 lol Jun 17 16:19:15 I thought it was code named "Sardine" Jun 17 16:19:19 maybe I'm wrong Jun 17 16:19:23 yeah, I figured you'd get a laugh. Jun 17 16:19:41 what does the blog get in return lol Jun 17 16:19:47 I guess that doesn't feel legitimate enough Jun 17 16:19:51 Anglerfish Jun 17 16:20:14 Whaleshark Jun 17 16:20:25 THISphoneROCKS Jun 17 16:20:46 SekretFone Jun 17 16:21:00 I thought the phone was called the R0XR Jun 17 16:21:18 code name: "hushhush" Jun 17 16:21:24 Quel - 4 chars, does sorta fit with Veer and Pixi Jun 17 16:21:29 "w3Rl33t" Jun 17 16:22:26 chuqui: is the "quel" a slate? and will it be on sprint? Jun 17 16:22:38 I heard it was a flip phone Jun 17 16:22:46 dual touch screens Jun 17 16:23:04 PatrickC: since it's a completely made up rumor, sure, why not? Jun 17 16:23:09 hehe Jun 17 16:23:09 guh, don't joke about that. Have you seen the kyocera android one Loudergood? Jun 17 16:23:17 * PatrickC has Jun 17 16:23:20 not in person Jun 17 16:23:22 it's awful Jun 17 16:23:35 PatrickC: seriously, this new made up rumor is a new form factor completely. We call it the "foleo" Jun 17 16:23:46 oooh Jun 17 16:23:49 hahaha Jun 17 16:23:54 * halfhalo pulls out credit card Jun 17 16:23:58 chuqui: how big does the site have to be? lol Jun 17 16:24:02 "waddaya mean its fake?" Jun 17 16:24:28 mine is a rather small site :/ Jun 17 16:24:52 I was hoping for Precentral... Jun 17 16:24:59 * NuttyBunny steals halfhalo's fake card Jun 17 16:25:00 I think P|C has a "tip line" Jun 17 16:25:20 sugardave: yeah. change the email from line and boom. Jun 17 16:25:21 We shouldn't toy with Sprint users too much Jun 17 16:25:23 Ya know, when I worked for Mama Fruit, I used to argue that we should "seed" fake rumors out there, just to watch the rumor blogs wet themselves and have to explain how they got it wrong later. Jun 17 16:25:25 They've been through enough as it is Jun 17 16:25:36 but then, we would never, ever do that. Nope. that would be wrong. Jun 17 16:25:48 only morally Jun 17 16:25:50 lol.. I'm not anywhere near P|C . . . http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com (in the process of moving to a self-hosted blog) Jun 17 16:26:10 (although I did once sneak some stuff into a web page as a set of commented out fake code that got picked up by a rumor blog with too much time and too little sense. I got yelled at for that, too... grin) Jun 17 16:26:15 When I think of that graph Precentral posted, illustrating webOS users loving their OS to death, it just says "launch day Pre" to me Jun 17 16:26:43 oh snap, my contract ended yesterday Jun 17 16:26:51 singmajesty: I agree, please no more rumors about sprint unless they're true :) Jun 17 16:27:00 sugardave: time for that pre3? :) Jun 17 16:27:05 hehe Jun 17 16:27:12 here's a Sprint rumor for you: they suck for not carrying more webOS devices Jun 17 16:27:24 chuqui: ha nice Jun 17 16:27:28 wait, that's a fact Jun 17 16:27:33 lol Jun 17 16:27:57 The experience of webOS is really different on a Pre Plus, Pre 2, Veer ... Jun 17 16:28:02 * rwatkins ported his number to Google Voice, so actual device number matters much less. Jun 17 16:28:25 btw.. have you guys voted on SFR's poll yet? Jun 17 16:28:28 It's frustrating that Sprint hasn't given users that choice Jun 17 16:28:52 NuttyBunny: link???? Jun 17 16:29:14 anyone email for the "show us what you've got"? Jun 17 16:29:42 singmajesty: frustrating is an understatement. Who wants to help me get a corp discount? :) Jun 17 16:29:49 rwatkins: does texting and calling go through googlevoice? Jun 17 16:30:16 hrm, I wonder if can get a discount as a student Jun 17 16:30:49 summarusmentis: discount for what?? Jun 17 16:30:54 I get att student discount of 8% (stupid att messed up, should be able to get 13% in a month or two) Jun 17 16:30:57 I don't want Google to have my phone conversations Jun 17 16:31:01 I don't trust them Jun 17 16:31:12 * singmajesty peers around suspiciously Jun 17 16:31:16 PatrickC: something that isn't sprint Jun 17 16:32:17 ah.. like cingular? :) Jun 17 16:32:32 cingular doesn't exist anymore Jun 17 16:32:53 lol.. I know Jun 17 16:33:16 Didn't AT&T go out of business, bought by Cingular, then AT&T comes back from nowhere, buys them out and reestablishes their brand? Jun 17 16:33:23 Or was Cingular AT&T all along? Jun 17 16:33:52 PatrickC: You should really look at twitter more often (follow me as well, @cesarneg) http://j.mp/jAZ0N9 Jun 17 16:34:09 * PatrickC doesn't have a twitter :'( Jun 17 16:34:35 singmajesty: more of the first, but cingular and att were basically the same the entire time Jun 17 16:34:37 PatrickC: you can text and call thru google voice, which i try and do so that people see my number as the google voice number. Jun 17 16:34:44 I think my sim still says cingular. Jun 17 16:34:51 haha Jun 17 16:34:53 Quel est votre OS mobile préféré ? Jun 17 16:34:58 Why, Quel, of course! Jun 17 16:35:01 whoa! webos is winning a lo! :) Jun 17 16:35:05 lot* Jun 17 16:35:11 well, webOS on a Quel Jun 17 16:35:16 rwatkins: cool Jun 17 16:36:03 hrm... looks like I can get an 8% AT&T discount, or a 10% T-Mobile discount Jun 17 16:36:27 tmobile.. lol Jun 17 16:36:42 AT&T is evil, but they do carry the Veer Jun 17 16:36:54 * halfhalo would totally be up in tmo if they had the proper 3g bands for webos devices Jun 17 16:37:42 sprint rules for plans.. not devices (unless you want android) Jun 17 16:37:56 I still find it ironic ... the mailer I got from Sprint Jun 17 16:37:58 singmajesty: well, I'm tired of CDMA, and I want the new webos devices Jun 17 16:38:03 "We offer more selection than other carriers!" Jun 17 16:38:07 Literally, six Android phones Jun 17 16:38:27 It's like saying you offer a greater selection of soda, and offering only Pepsi and Coca-Cola Jun 17 16:38:33 vzw will buy sprint soon Jun 17 16:38:34 att is cheaper with the discount than sprint for me Jun 17 16:38:48 halfhalo: the 8% or the 13%? Jun 17 16:38:52 8% Jun 17 16:39:02 wow Jun 17 16:39:11 family plan, or regular? Jun 17 16:39:30 regular, 450 minutes, gps, 1000 sms/mms, 2GB data. Jun 17 16:39:58 only 2GB data? lol Jun 17 16:40:11 does att offer a *true* unlimited plan? Jun 17 16:40:16 halfhalo: I'm on $30 SERO + $10 for the pre Jun 17 16:40:27 2GB of data which I can actually use, unlike sprint. Jun 17 16:40:31 summatusmentis: bastid Jun 17 16:40:37 * PatrickC is locked in a stupid contract Jun 17 16:40:44 why couldn't you use the sprint data? Jun 17 16:40:48 * halfhalo paid his way out of his sprint contract Jun 17 16:40:52 halfhalo: so, you know, nothing is cheaper than my sprint plan currently Jun 17 16:41:04 because I didn't get sprint service anywhere I would have used data? Jun 17 16:41:08 which is part of the reason I really hope they get a webos device Jun 17 16:41:38 halfhalo: ah Jun 17 16:41:54 ya, paid my way out the last couple months of my sprint contract and ported the number to Google Voice, and then pointed that at my work #, which is expensed. Jun 17 16:42:47 I'm happy with att. Decent data speeds (average 5Mb/s around town) and I can actually use my phone to make calls now! Jun 17 16:42:54 well, even if I wanted to, I couldn't pay my way out Jun 17 16:43:21 of my contract* Jun 17 16:43:32 halfhalo: can I ask what you pay w/ them? Jun 17 16:43:32 was on tmobile for like 8 yrs before moving to sprint for the Pre Jun 17 16:43:51 * PatrickC still has T-Mobile @ Home Jun 17 16:44:38 att? I was paying 75 with the features I said before. I upped the data to 4GB with tethering over the weekend, and am going to dump the nav addon in 2 weeks so I should be right at 95 a month from now on Jun 17 16:44:59 holy crap Jun 17 16:45:04 halfhalo: get nDrive? Jun 17 16:45:45 Yeah, we had $120 a month for two Palm phones ... Jun 17 16:45:45 yeah, that's wildly unaffordable Jun 17 16:46:03 unlimited messaging, unlimited minutes (basically), unlimited internet, free gps Jun 17 16:46:11 PatrickC: don't like it. Jun 17 16:46:12 hrm... I wonder if "grad student" qualifies me for as "staff" Jun 17 16:46:25 and I was paying 88 for sprint, so its not a huge jump for me Jun 17 16:46:38 halfhalo: why don't you like it? Jun 17 16:46:43 I gave Pre Plus to my mother-in-law on my old line (with a new number) and switched to AT&T with my other SIM phones Jun 17 16:46:58 I just don't like nDrive. Jun 17 16:47:00 singmajesty: that's actually not a bad pric Jun 17 16:47:02 price* Jun 17 16:47:10 * PatrickC has 2 sim phones, and no sim's Jun 17 16:47:12 Well, that was Sprint Jun 17 16:47:14 :) Jun 17 16:47:16 singmajesty: yeah, that's not too bad Jun 17 16:47:32 I used to pay 45 a month on a family plan for unlimited everything but minutes Jun 17 16:47:39 and I rarely use minutes Jun 17 16:47:40 That's why it took me so long to decide to switch. Finally I just decided I loved my phone more than my carrier Jun 17 16:47:42 on sprint Jun 17 16:47:45 right, Sprint's plans are awesome. All you palm employees, make that stuff happen Jun 17 16:47:59 on at&t I pay 65ish a month for a lot less. Jun 17 16:48:14 I think the ball is in Sprint's court. I think Palm would gladly sell a phone on Sprint if Sprint wanted one Jun 17 16:48:17 sprint plans rock.. their phones, not so much Jun 17 16:48:22 I'm not saying they don't, I don't know. Jun 17 16:48:22 singmajesty: true Jun 17 16:48:38 but sometimes it feels like they are planning on going 100% into Android Jun 17 16:48:44 yeah Jun 17 16:48:50 when "More selection than other carriers!" is only Android phones, you have to wonder Jun 17 16:48:53 well that's the only success you have Jun 17 16:48:56 they* Jun 17 16:49:11 sprint's sights look as so: Android, BlackBerry, Feature Phones, Palm Jun 17 16:49:22 but how many people are going to leave sprint over not having a palm phone? Jun 17 16:49:31 That's the question Jun 17 16:49:37 * PatrickC would/will if he can Jun 17 16:49:50 I am guessing that they presume everyone will switch to the newest biggest Android phone, whatever it is Jun 17 16:50:04 yeah Jun 17 16:50:04 at this point, given the pricing of other carriers, I'm not sure I can switch to a different carrier Jun 17 16:50:19 their webos users are likley the more hard core people that wanted them at launch and got a 2 yr contract then Jun 17 16:50:24 When I switched I left my wife on Sprint, and only switched myself Jun 17 16:50:28 so they are more likley people that really want webOS Jun 17 16:50:50 She loves her Pixi and is happy where she is Jun 17 16:51:37 I like the pixi, but the pre is better for me Jun 17 16:51:42 I may end up franken-pre'ing a Pre2 for sprint, if there's not something else Jun 17 16:51:43 just wait until they hear about the Quel....then they'll be sorry Jun 17 16:52:02 PatrickC: That's how I felt, but I guess the Veer changed things for me Jun 17 16:52:20 It's almost like a mini Pre 2 Jun 17 16:52:32 I think the video card is faster, though Jun 17 16:53:08 is thre pre2 supposed to get webos 3.x? Jun 17 16:53:18 do we know? Jun 17 16:53:29 We don't know yet Jun 17 16:53:45 mm Jun 17 16:53:47 Most of the changes in webOS 3.x are for a tablet Jun 17 16:53:52 The big exception is Enyo Jun 17 16:54:04 face Jun 17 16:54:33 ...but I think we may see a solution for bringing Enyo to older OS releases, since it is a web framework, after, not really OS specific Jun 17 16:54:33 singmajesty: and enyo is a big deal Jun 17 16:54:40 granted Jun 17 16:54:42 after = after all Jun 17 16:54:52 Maybe through the App Catalog Jun 17 16:56:44 if that's feasible, i can get behind that Jun 17 16:58:37 http://www.marco.org/2011/06/17/the-android-tablet-problem Jun 17 16:58:43 Interesting article Jun 17 16:59:40 Same argument could have been made about Android phones, but .. they are successful. Jun 17 17:00:42 I thought that his 1,2,3 list for developers was interesting Jun 17 17:01:12 1. Developers themselves use and love the platform’s products Jun 17 17:01:12 2. The platform has a large installed base. Jun 17 17:01:12 3. Developers can make decent money on the platform. Jun 17 17:01:35 Android has had success because of #1 and #2 Jun 17 17:02:14 His point is that Android tablets don't have the same install base of users or developers yet, which makes it difficult to get new applications Jun 17 17:02:16 right, but the chicken and egg problem he presents says with these issues you would never get #2 Jun 17 17:02:40 The iPhone got #2 without apps Jun 17 17:02:47 Same with Android, sort of Jun 17 17:03:15 right, which defeats the contention that tablets cant just get #2 as well. Jun 17 17:03:33 Well, with webOS we know it can certainly make things harder :) Jun 17 17:04:00 I'm not saying I completely agree. Someone posted the link in a different conversation, and I thought it was interesting since I read the same review this morning Jun 17 17:05:45 Certainly. Good apps sell the devices. But given that Android came from behind w/o poor apps and opportunity to make money from them it points to there being other ways to get there. Jun 17 17:06:05 uh .. "w/ poor apps" Jun 17 17:06:28 "free" being fairly helpful I imagine. Jun 17 17:09:26 It may be a little bit different with tablets than phones, since people need phones but don't necessarily rely on tablets the same way Jun 17 17:09:30 I don't know. We'll see :) Jun 17 17:09:47 I'm hoping the TouchPad is very successful, but we'll see, of course Jun 17 17:10:18 i hope as well, but supect it will take time - hopefully HP appears to be in for the long haul. Jun 17 17:11:21 I think their distribution channels may help. I heard it is going to be sold in many places you can find HP printers or laptops Jun 17 17:11:34 Being in Walmart, Staples, Best Buy, etc. can help Jun 17 17:11:48 I heard that a lot of people use the browser most often on their iPad... Jun 17 17:11:55 multi-tasking is also a huge plus Jun 17 17:12:03 agree, huge Jun 17 17:12:31 So I think the tablet market has a definite "bubble" right now, which could be very hard to break Jun 17 17:12:59 ...but I've seen enough signs that tell me the TouchPad might actually be able to do it, with the help of webOS, HP and developers, of course Jun 17 17:13:44 ...not exactly to break in and become a #1 raging success overnight, but to establish a foothold in the market Jun 17 17:14:00 and I think HP can convince the Netflix, Kindle, etc ports one way or another. Its just going to be tough keeping up wuith getting the cool app of the month from smaller developers not being on webOS. Jun 17 17:14:39 That's where the cross-platform story is probably key Jun 17 17:14:59 Fortunately, webOS is easy to develop for, either as a straight HTML+Javascript app (no Mojo or Enyo required) or as a straight C++ app Jun 17 17:15:33 The less developers are hooked into Objective-C or Java, the easier cross-platform development will be Jun 17 17:15:39 I want Enyo to be the go-to framework for all javascript apps Jun 17 17:15:44 that would be awesome Jun 17 17:16:59 we'll see - to the extent that HP could actually promote PhoneGap development by default, rather than native on the other platforms - not event talking webOS - would be a big win. Jun 17 17:25:25 Been working on perspectives internally, that web apps on webOS != Enyo Jun 17 17:25:58 Personally, I would love to communicate many choices, and have developers choose Enyo because it's cool, not because its been forced Jun 17 17:26:45 I personally think it is one of the best (or the best) choice for a new web app for the TouchPad, but there's no reason why Sencha, jQuery Mobile, frameworkless HTML shouldn't be known options Jun 17 17:27:37 probably because its easier for palm to support devs using their framework Jun 17 17:28:22 I mean, the widget set is there in Mojo or Enyo, so there are good reasons to go that route Jun 17 17:28:37 It was fun for me, though, when I made a Hello World app without either Jun 17 17:28:43 and "fitting in" with the other apps Jun 17 17:28:56 singmajesty: You can use whatever you want Jun 17 17:28:59 apple store people looked at my phone weirdly... heh Jun 17 17:29:08 http://www.joshuagranick.com/blog/2011/05/26/helloworld-html-as-a-webos-application/ Jun 17 17:29:08 you can use frameworkless HTML if you want Jun 17 17:29:20 "thats not an iProduct. Security! Escort this man out!" Jun 17 17:29:25 there is some advantage to having the UI look like "native" widgets. Jun 17 17:29:51 I hope Enyo can be licensed for cross-platform Jun 17 17:29:52 you can just paste an html file and it will work fine Jun 17 17:30:08 Well, an HTML file that calls "PalmSystem.stageReady ()" Jun 17 17:30:16 That's the only trick Jun 17 17:30:32 * oilsworkn can always tell an app built with mojo/enyo from others Jun 17 17:31:01 If you already use Sencha on another platform, or are building a game, or ... Jun 17 17:31:23 there are good reasons to work outside Enyo or Mojo, but certainly, my next SDK app is still going to be Enyo Jun 17 17:31:28 * oilsworkn can't speak to cross platform anything Jun 17 17:31:33 (well, Mojo + Enyo, written in haXe) Jun 17 17:32:55 oilsworkn: +1, easy to tell Jun 17 17:51:58 . Jun 17 17:52:54 .. Jun 17 17:58:56 yay, the mailman brought me money! Jun 17 18:04:41 usually bitter sweet because now there is an errand to run haha Jun 17 18:11:06 Flashpass: yeah, just this time....direct deposit should be ready to go for next time :D Jun 17 18:11:54 the lame part is that now I have to go ahead and really DO my expense report so I can mail the giant packet of receipts while I'm out to go to the bank Jun 17 18:12:02 not impressed with firefox 4 nor windows 7... Jun 17 18:12:38 sugardave: haha, i hate dealing with all that stuff, have to do it for some contracted work Jun 17 18:12:55 firefox taking up 200mb of ram is crashing, win7 begins to slow to a halt b/c a program taking 200mb of ram is crashing, WTF Jun 17 18:12:55 hey you guys are still here! Jun 17 18:13:23 LoneStar99: firefox is taking more than a gig for me Jun 17 18:13:26 *sigh* Jun 17 18:13:32 wow Jun 17 18:13:32 Iron Jun 17 18:13:37 it's awesome Jun 17 18:14:13 pandora--: crazy Jun 17 18:14:14 http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php Jun 17 18:14:36 LoneStar99: yeah, but it's really stable still Jun 17 18:14:39 no crashing Jun 17 18:15:47 i think what is going on with mine, is some number crunching in "canvas, prototype, 5 second ajax requests" etc... Jun 17 18:15:49 sugardave: orrrr you could just run chrome in incognito mode? Jun 17 18:16:31 sugardave: but the big question is, does Iron also have crippled bookmarks like chrome? Jun 17 18:16:43 or are they usable like firefox bookmarks with tags, etc? Jun 17 18:19:39 * PatrickC walks in Jun 17 18:19:57 * oilsworkn remembers to lock the door next time Jun 17 18:20:20 ok some crazy tests i have conducted in the past 24 hrs: emulators 1.4.5 & 2.1 and firefox crash rather quickly, while both safari and physical pre carried on with the app Jun 17 18:20:27 sugardave: is Iron webkit? Jun 17 18:20:39 iron is stripped chromium no? Jun 17 18:20:58 * PatrickC hasn't heard of Iron till now Jun 17 18:21:11 same here Jun 17 18:21:33 * oilsworkn thought it was like chrome without any google phone-home stuff Jun 17 18:21:55 or maybe that was something else Jun 17 18:22:44 oilsworkn: you gettin a touchpad? like rwhitby did? Jun 17 18:23:28 i think we're allowed to say yes to that question Jun 17 18:23:41 ok lol Jun 17 18:23:50 if not then too late haha Jun 17 18:24:04 but he has to port wirc to REDACTED ;) Jun 17 18:24:04 oh, and btw, congrats rwhitby Jun 17 18:24:15 yeah Jun 17 18:24:21 i have too many apps and not enough time Jun 17 18:24:29 preware/govnah/wirc/lumberjack/etc Jun 17 18:24:45 tweaks Jun 17 18:24:54 no, thats sconix Jun 17 18:24:57 impostah, internalz pro Jun 17 18:25:07 impostah is rwhitby Jun 17 18:25:10 internalz is jason Jun 17 18:25:11 ah forgot that was sconix Jun 17 18:25:25 and palm is adora Jun 17 18:25:28 oh, hey adoa! Jun 17 18:25:31 adora* Jun 17 18:25:43 well, by "is rwhitby" i mean "is rwhitby copy/pasting" :) Jun 17 18:25:49 lol Jun 17 18:25:59 haha Jun 17 18:25:59 lol Jun 17 18:26:01 well, the js side anyways Jun 17 18:26:18 he does all the c services for almost all the wi apps Jun 17 18:26:21 oilsworkn: don't take this as an android discussion, asking about mobile data Jun 17 18:26:25 there's fair warning Jun 17 18:26:27 http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/06/17/nielsen-android-data-usage-only-averages-0-6gb-a-month-do-tiered-data-plans-make-sense/ Jun 17 18:26:46 do you guys like the idea of tiered data plans or do you actually use it enough to make unlimited worthwhile Jun 17 18:27:06 I use tons of data, and so does my dad Jun 17 18:27:18 I use over 1000MB roaming Jun 17 18:27:52 thats just crazy Jun 17 18:27:56 what would be the reason to people liking tiered plans? the lowest tier wouldn't be much cheaper than what unlimited costs would it? Jun 17 18:28:06 well, I use the hotspot a lot too :) Jun 17 18:28:49 Flashpass: they make it cheaper Jun 17 18:28:51 when I'm on a trip of over 1hr, the hotspot is up, roaming or not lol Jun 17 18:29:28 hm Jun 17 18:31:05 * PatrickC wants a touchpad yesterday Jun 17 18:31:10 PatrickC: i just wish they had a la carte data plans Jun 17 18:31:17 like, charge me $10 per GB Jun 17 18:31:30 my thing is, some months i use tons of data... other months i use 750MB Jun 17 18:31:36 $10.24 per gb Jun 17 18:31:38 i just wish i didn't have to get a data plan for each device Jun 17 18:31:40 * halfhalo wants a cookie Jun 17 18:31:48 let me pay for the connection once, and use it wherever/however the f i want Jun 17 18:31:49 so in those months when i use 750MB, charge me $7.50 Jun 17 18:31:50 oilsworkn: bingo Jun 17 18:31:50 $0.01 per MB Jun 17 18:32:03 PatrickC: they call 1GB 1000MB Jun 17 18:32:13 oilsworkn: yeah a lot of people are saying they want that Jun 17 18:32:22 it will never happen though Jun 17 18:32:29 unless its someone trying to get customers like tmo or sprint Jun 17 18:32:33 a lot of things will never happen Jun 17 18:32:47 sprint pre3? lol Jun 17 18:32:47 like, sprint will never get good phones Jun 17 18:32:49 oilsworkn: you don't need a data plan per device, you can swap the sim card Jun 17 18:32:59 not on sprint Jun 17 18:33:02 becaues sprint and vzw have sim cards Jun 17 18:33:02 lol Jun 17 18:33:10 but im paying for the connection Jun 17 18:33:10 your fault for going CDMA, *shrug* Jun 17 18:33:13 why is it tied to one device Jun 17 18:33:15 i don't use CDMA for a reason Jun 17 18:33:21 why can't i use this connection im paying for for everything Jun 17 18:33:37 oilsworkn: ummm, that's like asking "why does a family plan for 5 lines cost more than 1 line" Jun 17 18:33:47 because you can have multiple people using it Jun 17 18:33:55 never mind, you dont get my point Jun 17 18:34:00 oh no, i do. Jun 17 18:34:06 * oilsworkn gets back to work Jun 17 18:34:09 but let's say i don't want a tablet, my brother does Jun 17 18:34:16 so he gets a tablet on my account, i use my smartphone Jun 17 18:34:25 why the fuck would that be a smart business decision for a carrier? Jun 17 18:34:39 oilsworkn: i'm with you, i want a plan for all my carrier specific devices Jun 17 18:34:53 Flashpass: oh sure, and i want a unicorn, too Jun 17 18:35:01 * PatrickC wants a pay-as-u-go that's decent Jun 17 18:35:06 i'm just saying you have to use common sense and realize it would have no benefit whatsoever to the company Jun 17 18:35:15 PatrickC: thats called month to month Tmo Jun 17 18:35:16 Tommy: no one said it would happen, calm yourself Jun 17 18:35:29 halfhalo: expensive? Jun 17 18:35:37 I haven't checked on that Jun 17 18:35:38 just because its never going to happen doesn't mean i can't say thats what i want Jun 17 18:35:47 if you bring your own device its 10 less a month and no contract' Jun 17 18:35:47 PatrickC: $60/mo unlimited everything for me on t-mo Jun 17 18:35:58 like I want a pre2 that's native to sprint, that will never happen Jun 17 18:36:02 but I want it to Jun 17 18:36:02 halfhalo: 20 less a month Jun 17 18:36:12 even better! Jun 17 18:36:15 PatrickC: t-mo doesn't care about webOS :( Jun 17 18:36:17 oilsworkn: because mobile carriers are greedy, and they haven't put up the infrastructure to support it Jun 17 18:36:21 hmm.. I have 2 gsm devices :D Jun 17 18:36:23 so if i were you i wouldn't get them Jun 17 18:36:24 http://fury.com/2011/05/is-microsoft-trying-to-end-the-reign-of-mobile-carriers-msftskypenokia/ Jun 17 18:36:27 PatrickC: no 3G on t-mo :( Jun 17 18:36:32 grr.. Jun 17 18:36:38 then its not a decent one :) Jun 17 18:36:44 lol Jun 17 18:36:49 well, it's perfect for me Jun 17 18:36:56 but yeah, if you want webOS, t-mo is not a good option for you Jun 17 18:37:00 a decent one is 3G/4G ;) Jun 17 18:37:10 it is if you have an unlocked GSM phone Jun 17 18:37:15 and I happen to have 2 Jun 17 18:37:23 PatrickC: you will not get 3G on an unlocked GSM phone on t-mobile Jun 17 18:37:29 unless it was made to work on t-mobile or WIND in canada Jun 17 18:37:43 anyone have a pre2 on tmo? Jun 17 18:37:46 t-mobile requires the ever elusive 1700mhz UMTS band Jun 17 18:37:54 for 3G Jun 17 18:38:33 anyone know if the pre2 has that? Jun 17 18:38:40 it does not Jun 17 18:38:44 PatrickC: it doesn't lol. Jun 17 18:38:52 why would i tell you it doesn't if it did? Jun 17 18:39:22 the only phones with 1700mhz 3G are ones made for t-mobile, made for WIND, a tiny canadian carrier that covers like 5 cities, or the Nokia N8 because it has pentaband 3G Jun 17 18:39:37 (it's the only phone in the world that does, afaik) Jun 17 18:40:45 i think the unlocked pre2 only gets edge on tmo Jun 17 18:40:48 there's not one webOS phone on the planet that gets anything but EDGE on t-mobile Jun 17 18:40:58 oilsworkn: ya, that too. Jun 17 18:41:30 finally after 2 ½ months of waiting to hear back from Rovio, I was finally assigned a staff to work on my problem haha Jun 17 18:41:49 what's the problem? Jun 17 18:41:58 "my bird dont kill the piggies" Jun 17 18:42:12 lmao Jun 17 18:42:25 oilsworkn: is angry birds out for webOS? Jun 17 18:42:31 it was about the stupid "it didn't download on my pre when I bought it on my pixi" Jun 17 18:42:38 I had forgotten I sent that in lol Jun 17 18:42:44 hehehe Jun 17 18:42:45 o.O you bought angry birds? Jun 17 18:42:57 yeah Jun 17 18:43:00 $1.99 Jun 17 18:43:50 hmm no ad supported version? Jun 17 18:43:55 yeah, we ALL bought AngryBirds Jun 17 18:43:55 unlike you Droid People Jun 17 18:43:55 :P Jun 17 18:44:21 Tommy: its $1.99 for full, free for ligjt Jun 17 18:44:23 light* Jun 17 18:44:26 we prefer clean screens rather than adware ;) Jun 17 18:44:26 (I do) Jun 17 18:44:28 oh Jun 17 18:44:40 NuttyBunny: well, i have plenty of screen real estate, the ad doesn't get in the way :) Jun 17 18:44:42 same here Jun 17 18:44:50 wasn't I clear? :) Jun 17 18:44:50 but with a 3.2" HVGA screen, yeah, i can see why you'd need the space Jun 17 18:45:00 * oilsworkn hates ads Jun 17 18:45:13 * PatrickC agrees with oilsworkn Jun 17 18:45:13 plus there are like, 3-4 different angry birds versions Jun 17 18:45:20 i have the original, seasons, and rio Jun 17 18:45:27 those are the three Jun 17 18:45:36 no, but Droids have a full version... filled with ads Jun 17 18:45:52 the only program on my phone with ads is solitaire Jun 17 18:46:00 NuttyBunny: there's a $1.99 ad free version too Jun 17 18:46:10 but if you build your stacks in the right spot the ad vanishes Jun 17 18:46:14 * oilsworkn always builds his stack there Jun 17 18:46:19 lol Jun 17 18:46:19 an ad is still an ad, no matter how big or small Jun 17 18:46:22 i love ads Jun 17 18:46:30 it's a way of paying the developer without paying out of your pocket Jun 17 18:46:43 intrusive ads that are obnoxious, i can't stand Jun 17 18:46:54 but this is up in the corner, out of the way, doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever and i'm $2 richer Jun 17 18:47:20 we don't have NinJump or Fruit Ninja though :/ Jun 17 18:47:28 shame :( Jun 17 18:48:01 Tommy: I didn't find that version in my gf's X10 mini, so, that's the extent of my knowledge Jun 17 18:48:43 NuttyBunny: lol, QVGA, 2.6" Jun 17 18:48:57 super low res devices like that, most developers don't bother making games compatible Jun 17 18:49:03 i'd bet 95% of games are HVGA+ only Jun 17 18:50:14 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/17/hp-ships-free-touchpads-to-homebrew-devs-may-want-something-in/ Jun 17 18:50:17 oh, it hit engadget Jun 17 18:50:21 don't tell me, I wasn't the one that wanted: *Sony Ericsson*, *physical keyboard*, *Android* .. it's her fault, the X10 mini pro was the only onw Jun 17 18:50:44 NuttyBunny: oh, it'x an x10 mini pro then, keyboard. Jun 17 18:51:03 yeah, SE really fucked up their first few phones, the newer ones it looks like they've really changed for the better Jun 17 18:51:24 unlockable bootloaders, easier upgrades, they're promising big things... hope they can live up to it, i love their hardware quality Jun 17 18:52:32 the veer build quality is rock solid Jun 17 18:52:51 it was either that or paying $300 more for an iphone (the X10 was for free with the plan) Jun 17 18:53:02 * PatrickC hasn't seen one in person yet Jun 17 18:54:18 oilsworkn: ha @ may want something in return Jun 17 18:54:22 NuttyBunny: i bought my sister the full size xperia x10, got it brand new in box, off contract on craigslist for $250 Jun 17 18:54:53 * oilsworkn already gives away hundreds of hours of programing, what else could they want, heh Jun 17 18:55:21 Tommy: No physical keyboard :P Jun 17 18:55:26 true. Jun 17 18:55:39 my sister isn't a big smartphone users, she said she wanted two things... 1) satnav, 2) email Jun 17 18:55:43 hah Jun 17 18:55:45 s/users/user Jun 17 18:55:46 "Someone get Android on this and it will be awesome." Jun 17 18:55:53 "Really need a - button for this comment." Jun 17 18:55:55 she still doesn't want the iphone because of that... I infected her with the Pre keyboard :D Jun 17 18:56:08 so the X10 is great for that, especially with its awesome GPS Jun 17 18:56:25 in fact she wants: Medical apps, whatsapp/Ping, and the keyboard Jun 17 18:56:31 NuttyBunny: lol, i was infected by the pre keyboard as well, i need to get a decent keyboard and make my thumbs feel better after that experience Jun 17 18:56:31 that reminds me, will the touchpad for sure not be coming with a standalone gps chip? Jun 17 18:56:46 Flashpass: No GPS :( Jun 17 18:57:15 I think it uses Google location services over WiFi Jun 17 18:57:16 singmajesty: i'm curious, based on that guy's comment... what's special about the hardware? Jun 17 18:57:26 So if you're connected it will find your location pretty fast and pretty well Jun 17 18:57:32 he says "put android on it and it's awesome", why is it better than a transformer or iconia or xoom? Jun 17 18:57:48 Tommy: Not sure. I thought that webOS was the best thing about the TouchPad Jun 17 18:57:56 singmajesty: me too Jun 17 18:58:13 so normally, is the standalone gps chip part of the same chip as the cell radio which uses agps? Jun 17 18:58:14 i mean, don't get me wrong, i do like android more than webOS at this point, but why the hell would you want an HP Touchpad running it Jun 17 18:58:23 that's like saying "oh man get android on iPhone"... no, just get an android phone with similar specs Jun 17 18:58:33 It's like having a PS3, wishing you could put an XBox OS on it Jun 17 18:58:38 Doesn't quite make sense Jun 17 18:59:37 in addition to my above ques, if you're tethering from phone to TP will it likely pass along the phones GPS information? Jun 17 18:59:39 right Jun 17 18:59:48 Flashpass: i think that's VERY doubtful. Jun 17 19:00:13 why's that? I believe the ipad/iphone works in this way, does it not? Jun 17 19:00:15 Flashpass: though it is a great idea, i've never seen it implemented or heard it mentioned so i wouldn't count on it :( Jun 17 19:00:31 ah ok, here's to hoping then haha Jun 17 19:00:50 Flashpass: Nah, the hopes lie with the TP's Bluetooth SPP profile, and the fact that it may be able to be connected to a bluetooth GPS Jun 17 19:00:52 oh shit, you're right! Jun 17 19:00:54 Flashpass: http://www.cultofmac.com/wifi-only-ipad-2-gets-gps-when-tethered-to-iphone/86642 Jun 17 19:01:19 yeah, that :) Jun 17 19:01:39 Flashpass: here's to hoping then, and the odds look better than they did before i realized this :P Jun 17 19:01:46 hahah Jun 17 19:04:03 bbl Jun 17 19:20:06 Will all current webOS devices running webOS 2.0+ get Enyo at some point? Jun 17 19:21:54 I thought that was their plan, I think in the AT&T dev training he mentioned devs should all be working on Enyo Jun 17 19:22:23 I don't know about existing phones to be honest Jun 17 19:22:58 sorry, I gave you no information lol Jun 17 19:23:04 Whats been said is that the Pre2 and Veer will Jun 17 19:23:20 oh yeah? that's good to hear Jun 17 19:23:45 there is some question about whether the Pre2 *actually* will, as thye'd also said 2.0 to the earlier hardware and that ... didnt happen. Jun 17 19:24:03 mainly I want my pre2 to pair with the TP to forward msgs and calls Jun 17 19:24:31 being as that the whole pre3 date/carrier thing is so up in the air Jun 17 19:24:32 some on the forum here mentioned pairing their Pre- w/ the TP, so I think your good regdless. Jun 17 19:24:46 s/forum/channel/ Jun 17 19:24:57 yes, it works Jun 17 19:25:03 ta da! Jun 17 19:25:18 awesome! Jun 17 19:25:19 and my Pre - is still 1.4.5 Jun 17 19:25:25 I was pretty impressed :D Jun 17 19:26:45 that's interesting it didn't need special software, so the tp must be constantly polling the device over BT to see if calls or msgs have arrived Jun 17 19:28:03 * oil is still 145 on main pre Jun 17 19:28:22 kickin' it old school Jun 17 19:28:30 og is the way to be Jun 17 19:28:37 LAUNCHERPATCHESFTW Jun 17 19:28:51 haha Jun 17 19:29:54 ya, gonna make it harder to hack the launch bar on the TP in landscape mode to include more icons Jun 17 19:31:17 Hey, has anyone seen a video of the TP in portrait using a 3-pane app? What does it look like? Jun 17 19:31:46 they've shown mail app. Jun 17 19:32:10 narrower cols. Jun 17 19:32:27 so just the same but narrow Jun 17 19:32:40 they've also shown that on a narrow enough display you can trigger it to act like switching between views automatically Jun 17 19:33:06 you tap the slider on the middle column and it shifts left to cover the left column and makes the right column wider, then tap that slider and that column covers all of them...it's pretty col Jun 17 19:33:10 cool, too Jun 17 19:33:29 ah interesting Jun 17 19:34:08 Yeah, panes can equal scenes, basically Jun 17 19:34:18 So the email app's panes translate into screens on a phone Jun 17 19:34:42 ah i got it, and then you flip through the screens/panes like pages Jun 17 19:34:53 you can Jun 17 19:35:11 is the Pre2 labed as Palm or HP? Jun 17 19:35:21 Mine say Palm Jun 17 19:35:22 mine says palm Jun 17 19:35:59 The Pre 3 says Palm inside, under the battery Jun 17 19:36:03 I hope it stays Jun 17 19:36:15 cool Jun 17 19:36:16 ...but I guess we'll have to see... Jun 17 19:38:58 just put a cool apple sticker over the back duh Jun 17 19:38:59 lol Jun 17 19:39:51 now THIS is an unfortunate product name: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/16/indias-oft-delayed-35-tablet-ready-to-ship-unicorns-shed-tear/ Jun 17 19:44:38 * oil wants a sakshat Jun 17 19:46:19 same herre Jun 17 19:47:46 That name is worse than say, Chevy Nova Jun 17 19:47:55 It's one thing to advertise that your product doesn't work Jun 17 19:48:26 It's another to say that your $35 product, shocker, a piece of trash, is another :) Jun 17 19:48:34 "Here, buy this bag of turds!" Jun 17 19:48:51 $35, dreams come true after all! Jun 17 19:48:56 Unicorns shed unicorn tears Jun 17 19:50:47 bwuh? http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/mysterious-sprint-exclusive-hp-phone-has-3d-capabilities-rumor/ Jun 17 19:50:57 singmajesty: Nobody in spanish speaking countries would confuse "Nova" with "no va" Jun 17 19:51:21 destinal: that's the claim that's made about it Jun 17 19:51:28 summatusmentis: urban legend Jun 17 19:51:35 fair enough Jun 17 19:51:52 I've never really thought about it, but now that you say that, I agree with you Jun 17 19:52:18 Yeah :) Jun 17 19:52:50 Just like no one in an English speaking country would hear "sakshat" and think anything other than, "Hey, that's an Indian word" Jun 17 19:52:59 heh, it's like Notable != no table Jun 17 19:54:33 Yeah Jun 17 19:58:24 singmajesty: heh, it's kind of a stretch -- you can make fun of any name you want, but it is a real word. A running joke around the office was that compaq presario was "pretty sorry-o" but I don't think HP should change the name either ;) Jun 17 20:04:09 Now what if they called it a Chevy Gringo? Jun 17 20:04:29 * oil needs a picture of Adora so he can create a "I don't always reject wIRC" "But when I do, It's because of line endings" poster Jun 17 20:04:55 WIN Jun 17 20:05:12 Doesn't palm-package fix the line endings? Jun 17 20:05:24 maybe Jun 17 20:05:29 I think the problem is that you guys are too smart for the system :) Jun 17 20:05:30 singmajesty: I would totally buy a car called the Gringo Jun 17 20:05:40 we're building it with our autobuilder though Jun 17 20:05:45 Yeah Jun 17 20:06:20 Well I was talking to Tom and Jauder about it ... I think you guys would be okay with installing the SDK on your server and calling palm-package from your build script Jun 17 20:06:27 oil: http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1157343198/green.jpg Jun 17 20:06:45 singmajesty: that was you? Jun 17 20:06:48 good enough Jun 17 20:08:03 put your poster in wirc when you login with the nick 'adora' Jun 17 20:08:56 singmajesty: well, it used to be that palm-package was far more limited than our stuff Jun 17 20:09:16 singmajesty: for example, it wouldn't even validate type: game apps once upon a time. Jun 17 20:10:11 Yeah :) Jun 17 20:10:12 http://i53.tinypic.com/1pxemx.png Jun 17 20:10:26 oil: awesome Jun 17 20:10:34 I know it is also more limited in terms of post-install scripts, etc Jun 17 20:10:36 * oil tweets :) Jun 17 20:11:21 halfhalo: You were there? Jun 17 20:11:43 yeah, was at the table for that discussion Jun 17 20:12:12 heh Jun 17 20:12:34 * oil goes back to work now Jun 17 20:13:09 Which end of the table were you sitting on? Right next to Tom, or over on the other end? Jun 17 20:13:16 next Jun 17 20:13:43 Ah, okay. Cool Jun 17 20:21:50 lies Jun 17 20:22:10 you can't prove it Jun 17 20:22:15 truth Jun 17 20:22:25 Can't argue with that Jun 17 20:22:41 oil: she looks much older in that picture than in NYC Jun 17 20:23:08 wheres the pic with the snow hat?! Jun 17 20:23:52 * haeffb will be pissed if Sprint comes out with a keyboardless webOS phone. Jun 17 20:25:41 halfhalo: I'd prefer a hardware keyboard, but I'll deal if it's a sprint webos phone Jun 17 20:25:57 that's enough for me, in some ways Jun 17 20:26:11 * haeffb hates virtual keyboards Jun 17 20:26:15 my plan on sprint is too good to go elsewhere Jun 17 20:26:27 oh, I meant haeffb, sorry halfhalo Jun 17 20:29:57 sugardave: does a paycheck that says "HP" taste sweeter than one that says "IBM"? Jun 17 20:30:10 I don't know...mine says Palm on it :D Jun 17 20:30:23 and it is definitely sweeter :D Jun 17 20:32:24 A paycheck that says "Palm" is definitely sweeter than "Intel" Jun 17 20:32:33 ...but that's just me and my past experiences :) Jun 17 20:32:43 I haven't gotten a real paycheck in a log time Jun 17 20:32:57 I had my own business three years before working here, so I know what you mean Jun 17 20:33:17 (unless you mean sleeping in your parent's basement at age 43, at which case I might not know what you mean) ;) Jun 17 20:37:54 well, I guess that's not true, I guess last summer CMU was giving me paychecks Jun 17 20:38:04 but I've been in undergrad, so only working in the summer Jun 17 20:38:10 and for the first two summers, it was GSoC Jun 17 20:41:08 Ah Jun 17 20:41:42 and they pay you with cards they deposit money into Jun 17 20:42:14 that's better than paying you with fish or beans or something Jun 17 20:42:25 indeed Jun 17 20:42:34 but it's not a paycheck with a name on it :) Jun 17 20:42:44 In the future they always pay you in credits Jun 17 20:43:05 Sounds like the future has arrived for you Jun 17 20:57:50 singmajesty: it's possible. You guys all have cool jobs Jun 17 20:58:32 "TA" isn't nearly as cool Jun 17 21:08:43 http://www.precentral.net/dove-white-touchpad-waiting-wings-1 - Looks like its coming in White too Jun 17 21:14:23 * oilsworkn feels gypped Jun 17 21:14:48 * Popple3 is annoyed Jun 17 21:15:35 Just got an app rejected even though I fixed the issue it was rejected for :( Jun 17 21:15:40 * PatrickC_Away just got a call from HP Jun 17 21:15:48 PatrickC_Away: About what? Jun 17 21:15:58 O.o Jun 17 21:16:04 preordering a TouchPad Jun 17 21:16:15 ah, I see Jun 17 21:20:52 * PatrickC wanted to say yes, but couldn't :/ Jun 17 21:23:40 Mysterious Sprint Exclusive HP Phone has 3D Capabilities? [Rumor] @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/mysterious-sprint-exclusive-hp-phone-has-3d-capabilities-rumor/ Jun 17 21:24:42 With those specs it could quite possibly be quite a coo for HP Jun 17 21:25:11 * PatrickC wants Jun 17 21:25:37 I like my hardware keyboard xD Jun 17 21:25:42 And 3D screens can get stuffed Jun 17 21:25:54 ^This Jun 17 21:25:57 I do too, but I want *something* newer then 2 yr old hw Jun 17 21:26:23 3d is a gimmick Jun 17 21:26:33 Been playing Ocarina of Time 3D with 3D turned off for the last hour and a half Jun 17 21:26:41 lol Jun 17 21:26:45 even if it is, I still want it haha Jun 17 21:27:31 I still want to see how it works on the EVO 3D Jun 17 21:28:15 I want to see how webos3.0 works on the touchpad Jun 17 21:28:27 well they're already doing the "4G" marketing crap Jun 17 21:28:41 it's all buzz words now Jun 17 21:28:47 Just waiting for a phone to be Something HD 3D 4G Jun 17 21:28:49 :P Jun 17 21:28:54 haha Jun 17 21:29:01 I agree about buzz words Jun 17 21:29:13 That's why I find it funny when someone says, "it isn't REALLY 4G" Jun 17 21:29:14 I'm happy with 3G taaa Jun 17 21:29:16 Is it now? Jun 17 21:29:39 thankfully networks here aren't going on about 4G, we have HSPA+, but we don't call it 4G Jun 17 21:29:39 If it is newer than the "third generation" tech they are using in 3G, you can call it "fourth generation" all you want Jun 17 21:29:53 Heck, it could be older technology, it just needs to be the fourth-generation of something :) Jun 17 21:29:55 We need spectrum for LTE Jun 17 21:30:44 AT&T's 4g is the worst. Jun 17 21:30:59 att 4g works for me Jun 17 21:31:05 since i can actually _use_ it Jun 17 21:31:09 they called it so before they had any HSPA+ devices Jun 17 21:31:11 you mean HSPA+? lol Jun 17 21:31:17 dohtem: They're testing LTE at the moment fwiw Jun 17 21:31:36 * PatrickC wants anything faster then Sprint 3G Jun 17 21:31:46 I heard that a problem with LTE is that you basically need to have a huge phone in order to fit the attennae Jun 17 21:31:54 lol Jun 17 21:31:58 Maybe it will get better in the future Jun 17 21:32:09 singmajesty: Everything is smaller in the future Jun 17 21:32:11 probably Jun 17 21:32:30 Popple3: everything? lol Jun 17 21:32:41 The Pre 3 is a bit big for me. I don't think I'd be happy with a surfboard of a phone Jun 17 21:32:49 I love my Veer, but to each their own :) Jun 17 21:32:50 PatrickC: Actually no, TVs will keep getting bigger :P Jun 17 21:33:01 and phone screen sizes lol Jun 17 21:33:03 Popple3: Not if they are Android phones Jun 17 21:33:09 haha Jun 17 21:33:11 singmajesty: To me, the Pre 2 is the sweet spot for for size Jun 17 21:33:35 I like the pre2's screen size, but I want a little bit bigger to be perfect Jun 17 21:33:42 Popple3: Yeah, having a Pre made me used to being able to wrap my hand around my phone, like I own it Jun 17 21:33:44 but 4.3" is way too big for a phone Jun 17 21:33:46 PatrickC: Pre3 so :P Jun 17 21:33:46 superamoled Jun 17 21:33:51 I can't do that the same way with a Pre 3 Jun 17 21:34:04 Or flip out the keyboard and type one-handed ... Jun 17 21:34:08 halfhalo wants a 6" screen :P Jun 17 21:34:08 Easier on a smaller device Jun 17 21:34:10 haeffb: samoled is pretty damn awesome Jun 17 21:34:14 oops Jun 17 21:34:17 wrong person Jun 17 21:34:19 what? lol Jun 17 21:34:23 oh.. Jun 17 21:34:24 * halfhalo wants superamoled. not 6" screen Jun 17 21:34:32 halfhalo, not haeffb^ Jun 17 21:34:33 halfhalo: +1 on Super AMOLED. Jun 17 21:34:44 halfhalo: how about samoled 6"? Jun 17 21:34:44 The screen on my Samsung Wave is just... Jun 17 21:34:46 * Popple3 drools Jun 17 21:34:58 the screen on my pre- is just... Jun 17 21:35:00 * PatrickC runs Jun 17 21:40:37 the screen on my pre- is goldilocks Jun 17 21:40:41 juuuust right Jun 17 21:40:46 Enyo better come out on July 1st Jun 17 21:40:55 mines all scratched up.. Jun 17 21:41:10 and the pre2's looks soo much better Jun 17 21:41:32 * oilsworkn takes care of his electronics Jun 17 21:41:44 my friends att pre+ is mostly taped together Jun 17 21:41:49 from all the times hes dropped it Jun 17 21:41:50 lol Jun 17 21:42:02 My Pre- is in bits, but that's what it was like when I got it :P Jun 17 21:42:02 I don't drop mine, I put it in my pocket Jun 17 21:42:09 heh Jun 17 21:42:14 but i showed him the veer and he really liked it Jun 17 21:44:16 haha! really horrible typo (from HN) - https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#diff-1 Jun 17 21:44:33 been there lol'd that Jun 17 21:44:34 too many TVs sold in Ireland don't support our digital terrestrial... Makes finding a TV really hard :/ :( Jun 17 21:44:36 I have a Palm with a 2.9" screen Jun 17 21:44:47 but it's 5" tall and 2.3" wide Jun 17 21:45:13 It comes with an extendable attenna Jun 17 21:45:19 Pretty sweet Jun 17 21:45:32 singmajesty: a Pilot? Jun 17 21:45:35 http://img.phonescoop.com/img/p/470/h6.jpg Jun 17 21:45:40 "been there lol'd that" nice Jun 17 21:46:09 oilsworkn: wIRC tagline? Jun 17 21:46:12 j/k Jun 17 21:46:18 lol Jun 17 21:47:06 wirc has so many taglines haha Jun 17 21:47:20 It is available on Sprint... Jun 17 21:47:21 and most of them are just in-jokes that only a handfull of people will get Jun 17 21:48:00 well i know what im getting if the pre3 skips sprint... Jun 17 21:48:32 How many people are going to do this once they get a TouchPad? Jun 17 21:48:33 http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2010/04/ipad-bling-chain.jpg Jun 17 21:49:05 singmajesty: I'm hoping 0 Jun 17 21:49:11 lol Jun 17 21:49:33 "Now you can IRC from the bar" Jun 17 21:49:54 which was added because someone was using it from the bar and it was funny Jun 17 21:50:05 singmajesty: or this - http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-110614-ascot-tabbed/ss-110614-ascot/ss-110615-ascot-03.ss_full.jpg Jun 17 21:50:11 it got added at the same time as "Now you can IRC from the crapper" Jun 17 21:50:28 I liked that line Jun 17 21:50:39 I resemble that line many times lol Jun 17 21:50:39 haha. Jun 17 21:51:00 * oilsworkn has irc'd from the crapper before Jun 17 21:51:05 * Tibfib has not Jun 17 21:51:12 dohtem: My goodness. You one-upped me Jun 17 21:51:24 re: picture -- hahahaha Jun 17 21:51:28 That iPad hat was on engadget yesterday Jun 17 21:51:32 yeah Jun 17 21:51:42 lol, more like oilspushin Jun 17 21:51:42 caption contest or something Jun 17 21:51:59 dohtem: LOL Jun 17 21:52:16 I really don't know what to say about that picture Jun 17 21:52:18 Goodnight. Jun 17 21:52:28 It's only 5:50! Jun 17 21:52:39 the internet will do that to you. Jun 17 21:52:51 Maybe we could put a TouchStone in that hat Jun 17 21:52:59 touchpad touchstone Jun 17 21:53:01 :D Jun 17 21:53:01 there we go Jun 17 21:53:05 Stick it on your head, charge it, it's right there when you need it Jun 17 21:53:06 *splash* Jun 17 21:53:08 http://whereisdrew.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/the-ipad-as-giant-iphone.jpg Jun 17 21:53:10 lol Jun 17 21:53:17 oilspushn: Go go go! Jun 17 21:53:46 dohtem: haha Jun 17 21:53:46 Or the famous: http://www.devdaily.com/sites/default/files/users/user3/ipad-ipod-duct-tape.png Jun 17 21:53:59 * oilspushn has never had such an audience to his poopin Jun 17 21:54:25 oilspushn: so Adora rejected wIRC? Jun 17 21:54:26 http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwyvyhRAI31qz5nxjo1_400.jpg Jun 17 21:54:37 I've lost cound at how many times wircs been rejected Jun 17 21:54:38 singmajesty: aww you beat me Jun 17 21:54:39 count* Jun 17 21:55:06 oilspushn: for real reasons? Jun 17 21:55:20 for automated reasons Jun 17 21:55:22 how many people will do this to their iPad once they use a TouchPad? Jun 17 21:55:22 http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ipad-bat.jpg Jun 17 21:55:33 ah Jun 17 21:55:38 I hope 0 Jun 17 21:55:54 I hope.. all Jun 17 21:55:59 noooooo Jun 17 21:55:59 PatrickC: Arent those the guys that buy a new gadget and smash it in front of people waiting in line for one? Jun 17 21:55:59 like plugin not being stripped a few times Jun 17 21:56:14 extraneous postinsts from homebrew that didnt get deleted Jun 17 21:56:16 dohtem: I think they have a youtube channel Jun 17 21:56:19 etc etc Jun 17 21:56:22 they are jerks Jun 17 21:56:23 newest is the line endings Jun 17 21:56:25 but its fixed now Jun 17 21:56:30 and has been sitting there for 12 days or so Jun 17 21:56:36 apparently they're 'workin on it' Jun 17 21:57:06 same could be said about you at this moment Jun 17 21:57:13 Tibfib: quick pm? Jun 17 21:57:15 lol Jun 17 21:57:23 go for it Jun 17 21:59:17 Does wIRC work for the TouchPad? Jun 17 21:59:24 omg I hope so Jun 17 21:59:34 I'll use it today if it does Jun 17 21:59:43 I wish I had a touchpad today Jun 17 21:59:59 14 days Jun 17 22:00:05 ;) Jun 17 22:00:12 There is 1wk 6days 13hrs 1min 26secs until the HP TouchPad launches Jun 17 22:00:14 Sure is nice "summer" didn't mean "early fall" Jun 17 22:00:20 Yep Jun 17 22:00:22 twbbas: squeeeeeee :D Jun 17 22:00:55 singmajesty: I just hope "summer" doesn't mean "early fall" for the Pre 3 Jun 17 22:01:13 From the rumors, it seems to be mid-late July for the Pre 3 though... and not on Sprint Jun 17 22:01:21 does it launch exactly at midnight somewhere? Jun 17 22:01:26 not sure Jun 17 22:01:29 i haven't tried it yet Jun 17 22:01:30 I set my countdown at 7am my time Jun 17 22:01:34 but im told it doesnt work on the tp at all Jun 17 22:01:47 enyo rewrite will be a ways away still Jun 17 22:01:56 oilspushn: awww, why? Jun 17 22:01:59 why wouldn't it work? Jun 17 22:02:03 idk Jun 17 22:02:04 line endings Jun 17 22:02:06 thats just what i was told Jun 17 22:02:12 i haven't personally tested it yet Jun 17 22:02:16 maybe tonight Jun 17 22:03:18 I assume it's cool to reply to review feedback emails to ask questions? Jun 17 22:03:29 and insult them, yes Jun 17 22:03:33 lol Jun 17 22:03:37 or make a pie chart like i did Jun 17 22:03:37 :) Jun 17 22:04:12 My email: "IT WORKED IN THE DAMN EMULATOR!!! :'(" Jun 17 22:04:42 haha Jun 17 22:04:43 oilspushn: pie chart? Jun 17 22:04:44 "Y U NO ACCEPT" Jun 17 22:04:57 http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/29987065919709184 Jun 17 22:05:26 nice! Jun 17 22:05:36 heh Jun 17 22:05:47 I've had random gibberish before too! Jun 17 22:06:02 i chalk that up to children with mommy/daddys phone Jun 17 22:06:10 I've had the " -Sent from my" Jun 17 22:06:19 ^ As have I Jun 17 22:06:19 heh Jun 17 22:06:23 everyone has Jun 17 22:06:25 PatrickC: That may be because people are too lazy to swipe card away so they just send it Jun 17 22:06:26 and they keep getting longer Jun 17 22:07:10 I've had the "how do you delete" too Jun 17 22:07:16 lol same Jun 17 22:07:27 and some that ask a question answered in the reviews AND the description Jun 17 22:07:29 "- Sent from my Palm Pixi on the Now Network from Sprint" Jun 17 22:07:33 is how long they are now Jun 17 22:07:34 ^ Jun 17 22:07:43 lol Jun 17 22:07:55 that Now Network stuff is unnecessary. That's why I change mine back to "Sent from my Palm Pre" Jun 17 22:08:03 i changed mine to "" Jun 17 22:08:09 idk what mine is lol Jun 17 22:08:16 not that i email from my phone ever Jun 17 22:08:24 usually just read, then respond when at pc Jun 17 22:08:24 I got a support email that had "Sent from my HP TouchPad" once. It was like 5 months ago too. like right after feb 9th Jun 17 22:08:32 haha Jun 17 22:08:37 twbbas: awesome Jun 17 22:08:42 The guy just changed his sig to that Jun 17 22:08:44 lol Jun 17 22:08:48 lol Jun 17 22:08:49 awwwww :( Jun 17 22:08:54 * oilspushn changes his to "Sent from my HP Pre3 on the Now Network from Sprint" Jun 17 22:08:57 * PatrickC changes sig Jun 17 22:08:58 ^ Jun 17 22:09:06 oilspushn: Now that be trolling Jun 17 22:09:09 haha Jun 17 22:09:12 lol Jun 17 22:09:14 hehe Jun 17 22:09:18 post a screenshot of an email like that up to Precentral Jun 17 22:09:32 sent from my hp touchpad3 Jun 17 22:09:36 :o Jun 17 22:09:49 or, "Sent from my HP Pre4 on the Now Network from Sprint" Jun 17 22:09:51 and spoof an @palm.com from address Jun 17 22:09:53 "Sent from my HP Stingray - available on all carriers worldwide" Jun 17 22:10:15 and the subject has to be super cow powers Jun 17 22:10:20 hahaha Jun 17 22:10:21 get chuqui to let you use his :) Jun 17 22:10:28 Does supercowpowers work on 3.0? Jun 17 22:10:43 oh Jun 17 22:10:49 now i wanna look in the email app code in 3.x Jun 17 22:10:54 dooo it Jun 17 22:11:01 * oilspushn is still at work for another 40 mins or so Jun 17 22:11:08 in the crapper? Jun 17 22:11:39 "i don't always take long craps" Jun 17 22:11:45 "but when i do, its at work so i get paid" Jun 17 22:11:49 Nice Jun 17 22:11:57 There's an app for that Jun 17 22:12:01 sent from my "quel" via telepathic carrier pigeon Jun 17 22:12:07 lol Jun 17 22:12:11 I used to, but don't get cell coverage in the bathroom so I can read during my longcrap Jun 17 22:12:23 chuqui: Is it coming to Sprint?!?! Jun 17 22:12:37 is sprint a telepathic carrier pigeon? Jun 17 22:12:42 who knows Jun 17 22:13:04 well, if they were telepathic they would be announcing the sprint pre3 right now Jun 17 22:13:13 true Jun 17 22:13:19 along with like 8 other webOS phoes Jun 17 22:13:21 phones* Jun 17 22:13:21 brb Jun 17 22:13:31 they are tele"pathetic" Jun 17 22:13:39 * twbbas lol'd Jun 17 22:13:49 dcousineau: sounds like you should make an instapaper app! Jun 17 22:14:03 clearly Jun 17 22:14:52 or a location reminder one that reminds you to quick load up a few websites as you approach the bathroom Jun 17 22:15:00 ;) Jun 17 22:15:12 or auto loads them Jun 17 22:15:16 That'd be better Jun 17 22:15:19 Neccesity: The Mother of Invention! Jun 17 22:15:48 I'll be famous Jun 17 22:15:54 interviewing with a big magazine Jun 17 22:16:02 WHAT WAS THE SPARK OF INSPIRATION FOR THIS APP THAT CHANGED THE WORLD Jun 17 22:16:11 Well, you see, I had to take this crap once Jun 17 22:16:27 Just say Mexican food... they'll nod knowingly Jun 17 22:16:32 lol Jun 17 22:16:51 just setup an ap in the bathroom Jun 17 22:17:09 what... the... helll... Jun 17 22:19:15 you know Jun 17 22:19:19 that's an idea Jun 17 22:19:22 touchpads in every stall Jun 17 22:19:28 maybe some disinfectant wipes too Jun 17 22:19:33 "maybe" Jun 17 22:19:35 lmao Jun 17 22:19:41 :P Jun 17 22:20:06 cover the FFC before you undress tho Jun 17 22:20:15 * halfhalo missed something here... and he doesn't want to know what anymore Jun 17 22:20:33 "Fling those cards while you fling _____" Jun 17 22:21:01 but dont touch the pad after #2 Jun 17 22:21:11 lol Jun 17 22:21:12 poo stained hands? Speak your commands! Jun 17 22:21:18 lol Jun 17 22:21:23 "call stall 2" Jun 17 22:21:35 it is a fingerprint magnet after all Jun 17 22:21:36 omg skype! Jun 17 22:21:36 "you alright in there jim?" Jun 17 22:21:48 "Hey doc, I passed this really bad looking thing" Jun 17 22:21:52 "Let me see" Jun 17 22:21:52 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO VIDEO CHAT ON THE CRAPPER Jun 17 22:21:56 lol Jun 17 22:22:07 only voice chat ^^ Jun 17 22:22:13 oh god Jun 17 22:22:41 im glad that discussion of wirc taglines got this far Jun 17 22:22:46 round of applause for everyone Jun 17 22:22:57 haha Jun 17 22:23:19 Tangents FTW Jun 17 22:23:42 glad to have assisted Jun 17 22:24:34 I hope HP opens up webOS on PCs to non-HP computers. I own a dell =\ Jun 17 22:24:54 twbbas: I want it on Mac :( That's gonna be a long shot... Jun 17 22:25:01 Yep, that will be Jun 17 22:25:02 * oilspushn owns parts he put together to make a pc Jun 17 22:25:12 * halfhalo owns many computers Jun 17 22:25:25 * twbbas uses his old desktop computer as a footrest at the desk Jun 17 22:25:48 * dcousineau threw his old desktop out a window Jun 17 22:26:02 pics or it didn't happen Jun 17 22:26:12 * halfhalo wants macbookair with thunderbolts and backlight keyboards Jun 17 22:26:34 *shrug* for the money tehy cost, a 13"mbp is sufficient Jun 17 22:26:46 I threw my old computer into a field Jun 17 22:26:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O3qjJQkj14 Jun 17 22:26:50 yeah, but I want something small. 11" Jun 17 22:26:52 But you get $100 for the Mac App Store if you're a student! Jun 17 22:27:12 Popple3: lolwut? Jun 17 22:28:12 Popple3: That video reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIWBpFQM7EE Jun 17 22:28:29 twbbas: computer throwing contest FTW Jun 17 22:28:40 disappointed: was hoping the video was a link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzGWvZAd228 Jun 17 22:29:41 haha Office Space ftw Jun 17 22:30:08 here's the computer after the contest was over: http://www.flickr.com/photos/popple3/3710249816/in/set-72157621280485760 Jun 17 22:30:18 lol Jun 17 22:30:43 dang Jun 17 22:30:48 lol Jun 17 22:30:54 the winner got to take it home Jun 17 22:31:27 I think they declined :P Jun 17 22:31:45 That computer looks like my Pre- Jun 17 22:32:15 * twbbas had to throw in a pre- reference Jun 17 22:32:27 hah Jun 17 22:33:48 we don't play games at LAN parties in Ireland :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXuwyZyRKW0 Jun 17 22:45:02 i can't remember the last time i lugged by box to a proper lan party Jun 17 22:45:12 s/by/my/ Jun 17 22:50:48 twbbas: what kind of student gets that discount??? Jun 17 23:00:53 hmm.. $899 for a *new* macbook direct from apple a good price? Jun 17 23:01:11 free shipping Jun 17 23:04:08 * Popple3 fails at searching Jun 17 23:05:48 just read the thread :) Jun 17 23:09:36 dohtem: Heh, yeah. The forum's full of people doing that, and I contributed to it Jun 17 23:09:41 * Popple3 slaps self :P Jun 17 23:10:21 amazingly, my search results turn up threads with post from that day. Somehow I miss them when I scan the titles Jun 17 23:12:05 holy crap, it was 104 today Jun 17 23:12:18 where? Jun 17 23:12:22 Austin, TX Jun 17 23:12:48 ooh i bet, just came from a little vaca there Jun 17 23:13:59 hot here too Jun 17 23:17:34 someone needs to tell me how to make dumbass win7 show me file extensions in explorer Jun 17 23:19:01 found it Jun 17 23:22:00 lol Jun 17 23:29:14 LOL veer doesnt have a microusb slot? Jun 17 23:29:38 what the helll Jun 17 23:29:46 major step backwards, HP. standardize Jun 17 23:29:49 Tommy: Yeah, nor a 3.5mm jack Jun 17 23:29:57 Popple3: *puke* Jun 17 23:30:13 * Tommy crosses veer off the list Jun 17 23:30:16 you have to use a magnetic connector instead Jun 17 23:30:22 yeah, one reason I wouldn't use a Veer Jun 17 23:30:40 right, attempt number 3 at submission, better work this time >:( Jun 17 23:30:51 the magnetic connector is nifty, but come on, microUSB is becoming the international standard Jun 17 23:31:12 Tommy: fwiw, you do connect microUSB to the magnetic connector Jun 17 23:31:13 Popple3: i just can't wait till they come out with something totally different, like a landscape slider :D Jun 17 23:31:28 Popple3: still, it's an extra thing for me to carry Jun 17 23:31:30 nyeh, I like the Pre form factor Jun 17 23:31:41 Yeah, exactly why I wouldn't use the Veer Jun 17 23:32:02 blah, why doesn't HP mark an app as rejected when it's been rejected Jun 17 23:32:19 second time I've had to request a rejection so I can submit a fixed version Jun 17 23:32:46 lol Jun 17 23:32:52 awesome Jun 17 23:32:57 what got rejected, Popple3 Jun 17 23:33:06 Popple3: y u no test good? Jun 17 23:33:27 sugardave: Why does [redacted] emulator run code differently to [redacted]? :P Jun 17 23:33:45 lol Jun 17 23:33:57 Tommy: Postie (a Posterous client) Jun 17 23:33:58 LOOK, A PUPPY!!! Jun 17 23:34:09 * Popple3 chases after puppy Jun 17 23:34:23 Popple3: why was it rejected Jun 17 23:34:37 register button did nothing Jun 17 23:34:46 once was my own fail.... Jun 17 23:34:49 oh Jun 17 23:34:51 Second time it was an emulator fail Jun 17 23:34:57 cool Jun 17 23:35:07 this time, IT SHALL BE ACCEPTED DAMMIT Jun 17 23:35:08 lol Jun 17 23:35:14 doubtful Jun 17 23:35:18 send it to me, i'll test it for you Jun 17 23:35:20 * Popple3 slaps Tommy Jun 17 23:35:32 lets take bets on when Popple3's app gets through Jun 17 23:35:35 i'll test it on my windows phone 7 phone Jun 17 23:35:50 dohtem: 2 years from now... oh nvm, this isn't apple, next week Jun 17 23:36:21 dohtem: I'm gonna say Monday 10pm :P Jun 17 23:36:31 (GMT) Jun 17 23:36:49 well, IST/BST to be exact Jun 17 23:37:41 hm Jun 17 23:37:42 * haeffb wonders what's the last date to submit and still make it in the launch catalog Jun 17 23:37:54 launch catalog? Jun 17 23:38:03 app catalog at launch Jun 17 23:38:33 and my email sig reads: "- sent from my [redacted]" Jun 17 23:39:08 lol Jun 17 23:39:27 haeffb: I seem to be getting my review feedback within 2-3 days, which would suggest as late as 27th/28th Jun 17 23:39:35 hm Jun 17 23:39:52 yeah, except the submission rate will increase exponentially as we near launch date Jun 17 23:39:59 Popple3: care to share what the app does? :) Jun 17 23:40:01 you beat me too it Jun 17 23:40:04 how about the last day to qualify for a free device? Jun 17 23:40:04 was just about to say that Jun 17 23:40:16 free device?? Jun 17 23:40:19 what device? Jun 17 23:40:26 PatrickC: It's a Posterous client Jun 17 23:40:35 ah Jun 17 23:40:44 PatrickC: Also, free TouchPad for devs who can show off a good enough TouchPad app Jun 17 23:40:56 I applied.. Jun 17 23:41:01 I'm still working on my 2 Jun 17 23:41:52 dohtem: It's "while stock lasts", so potentially they have a certain amount allocated, and when they've run out, the program ends Jun 17 23:41:54 I applied and within hours got a call from an HP rep asking if I wanted to pre-order lol Jun 17 23:42:22 is $899 good for a *new* macbook direct from apple? Jun 17 23:42:30 PatrickC: sounds like a gentle letdown Jun 17 23:42:45 PatrickC: Did you have an app to show them? Jun 17 23:42:47 dohtem: I'm guessing it was lol Jun 17 23:42:50 not yet Jun 17 23:42:56 there's your issue so :P Jun 17 23:42:58 :s Jun 17 23:43:06 You have to send them an ipk to be even considered Jun 17 23:43:11 all I did as email "I would like to be eligible" Jun 17 23:43:13 Popple3: posterous: nice Jun 17 23:43:18 and asked what info they needed Jun 17 23:43:18 hadn't seen that yet Jun 17 23:43:48 s/as/was/ Jun 17 23:44:03 i already wrote the winning touchpad app Jun 17 23:44:14 Pre-posterous would have been a great name, but no device names in titles Jun 17 23:44:18 Tommy: sure, and I'm Steve Job's son Jun 17 23:44:43 haeffb: Hence I made it. I was just like "Hmmm... Spaz won't upload to Posterous, I'll just go get a Posterous client..." and lo and behold, there was none Jun 17 23:44:50 PatrickC: kick your dad in his aids infested penis for me? Jun 17 23:45:20 * PatrickC facepalm Jun 17 23:45:20 sugardave: Heh, nice. :P I like Postie though, nice and simple :P Jun 17 23:45:45 cool Jun 17 23:46:03 also, the text fits on the icon and remains readable :P Jun 17 23:46:33 Popple3: make an android version and i'll tell you how awesome it is Jun 17 23:46:48 Tommy: Why bother? There's an official client already there... Jun 17 23:47:04 yeah but i don't use posterous anyways Jun 17 23:47:41 core2duo or i5... hmm... Jun 17 23:47:42 Popple3: will it be free? Jun 17 23:47:59 i10 Jun 17 23:48:27 dohtem: No, I'm a corporate whore :P lol Jun 17 23:48:43 dohtem: I kinda need money for college, so I was like, "yeah, let's try charging for this" Jun 17 23:48:51 nothing wrong with that... Jun 17 23:50:26 dohtem: I know, but I like free :P Jun 17 23:50:34 $899 or $1099 ... hmm.. decisions.. decisions.. Jun 17 23:51:26 PatrickC: I'll take $1099 off your hands thanks :P Jun 17 23:51:38 heh Jun 17 23:51:44 I don't have $199 atm lol Jun 17 23:52:27 I'm saving up for a mac Jun 17 23:52:58 Why? Jun 17 23:53:10 as a student, I can get a simple mb for $899... 2.4GHz core 2 duo, 250GB hdd, and 2GB ram Jun 17 23:53:12 if you didn't get a Mac you wouldn't have to save up as much Jun 17 23:53:17 DocLee: iOS development Jun 17 23:53:46 PatrickC: That's why I got my MacBook 2 years ago. Still haven't done anything for iOS :P Jun 17 23:53:48 PatrickC: depends. what configuration? microcenter often has 100 or 150- lower than apple direct Jun 17 23:54:16 but microcenter doesn't have all the [limited] customizability ordering from apple does Jun 17 23:54:40 dwc-: an intel mac is a necessity, I want at least 250GB hdd, 2GB ram, and 2GHz processor Jun 17 23:54:46 and under $1000 Jun 17 23:54:56 well, start saving Jun 17 23:55:07 Hackintosh it and call it a day Jun 17 23:55:18 ^ Jun 17 23:55:39 eh, its for my old church, I'm not gonna hackintosh.. Jun 17 23:55:40 ^ (If you can get a laptop with a proper multitouch touchpad) Jun 17 23:55:59 ah, forgot about that Jun 17 23:56:05 my asus does 3-fingers at least Jun 17 23:56:12 I hate my Asus Jun 17 23:56:14 and DocLee: not sure my current laptop can run linux, let alone osx lol Jun 17 23:56:22 I hate the resolution on mine Jun 17 23:56:28 I specifically hate the mouse Jun 17 23:56:33 Mine always goes on the fritz Jun 17 23:56:40 it's designed for watching movies, so vertical space is WAAAAAY too small Jun 17 23:56:56 my Dell laptop is going on 4 years. Looking to udgrade as well Jun 17 23:57:05 I wish my dell didn't die Jun 17 23:57:17 Had the M1330 Jun 17 23:57:23 nice Jun 17 23:57:26 I'm happy with my 2 year old MacBook (after I upgraded the hard drive and RAM) Jun 17 23:57:34 * dohtem got one of the earliest Dell Vostros. Heavy like 2 bricks Jun 17 23:58:04 that said, I always want to upgrade :P Jun 17 23:58:30 i want the next gen mba Jun 17 23:58:32 nownownow Jun 17 23:58:47 I'd take the Samsung over that. Jun 17 23:58:53 mba???? I want the current mbp Jun 17 23:59:08 nobody makes what I want Jun 18 00:00:02 i just want an 11" mac with thunderbolt for multiple monitors and a backlight kb, gimme the base cpu and a 128GB ssd and i'm really really happy Jun 18 00:00:05 < 3.5lb, 12" matte 4:3, discrete gpu, reasonably decent cpu and battery life, trackpoint Jun 18 00:00:23 ideally even switchable graphics Jun 18 00:00:25 I want Windows 8 with webOS integration on a MacBook (or MacBook-like device) :P Jun 18 00:00:41 dwc-: I'd buy one Jun 18 00:00:59 I think I'd want it with the new hotness that AMD is about to start selling Jun 18 00:01:01 Loudergood: it wouldn't even be *that* different from products on the market today... just nobody has just that combination Jun 18 00:01:12 4:3 matte screen? Jun 18 00:01:20 good luck on that part Jun 18 00:01:40 yea, I know Jun 18 00:02:09 a thinkpad x220 is close, just needs to sac some battery for the discrete gpu Jun 18 00:02:18 don't even need it to be higher res than 1280x960 Jun 18 00:02:48 I have a T60 with radeon graphics right now Jun 18 00:02:59 SSD has made it almost fast enough for everything Jun 18 00:03:02 yep, the older thinkpads are close Jun 18 00:03:15 so wait! the touchstone is the only way to get the Touchpad into Exhibition? Jun 18 00:03:15 my T400 is nice, but i want something smaller Jun 18 00:03:31 dohtem: there's probably another app-ish way to do it? Jun 18 00:03:47 Loudergood: right now, I'm on an x100e Jun 18 00:03:52 you can launch exhibition Jun 18 00:03:56 I almost bought an x120e Jun 18 00:04:09 I would have ... but I'd already bought an x100e Jun 18 00:04:28 ah, thanks sugardave, dwc- Jun 18 00:04:31 i want a dell inspiron duo Jun 18 00:05:40 dm1z/x120e are close too Jun 18 00:05:49 * halfhalo wants many things Jun 18 00:08:06 haeffb: I have it on good authority that you'll probably want to have apps submitted by June 24/25....just to be sure Jun 18 00:09:20 1 week! Jun 18 00:11:00 he didn't say which year... Jun 18 00:12:41 :) Jun 18 00:13:14 (x * years) + 1 week Jun 18 00:22:55 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/17/nokia-windows-phones-will-launch-in-six-european-nations-first/ Jun 18 00:23:03 why the hell... not launching in its country of origin Jun 18 00:23:48 * rwhitby wonders what any of that has to do with webOS ... Jun 18 00:24:40 rwhitby: i wonder that too Jun 18 00:24:49 yikes: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/267402-voogle-google-voice-webos-coming-soon-24.html Jun 18 00:25:08 rwhitby: don't worry, i posted it in #android for good measure Jun 18 00:25:32 ohh destinal Jun 18 00:25:55 Tibfib: you have google voice? Jun 18 00:26:14 Tibfib: hey Jun 18 00:26:15 yeah.. and I'd use it more if I had a good webOS client Jun 18 00:26:27 destinal: howdy! Jun 18 00:26:40 Tibfib: yeah, putting your voice service at the whim of a teenager is an interesting choice - he's a smart guy, but attention span to mission critical services is not a priority when you're young ;) Jun 18 00:27:38 rwhitby: well I guess he has time to learn that Jun 18 00:29:01 Tibfib: I hope it's not that certain characters don't work because it's not properly validating input and it's sql injection or xml injection or command injection on the server etc Jun 18 00:29:48 destinal: yeah I dunno Jun 18 00:29:48 I would be most averse to giving my passwords to an intermediate party because what if they don't secure it and lulzsec comes along.. Jun 18 00:30:39 destinal, nyan cat Jun 18 00:31:06 I'm not all that keen on giving money to someone who promotes ddos Jun 18 00:32:03 dwc-: who's asking for money for ddos ? Jun 18 00:32:31 rwhitby: at one point, his blog was suggesting ddos on some forum that posts pirated mobile apps Jun 18 00:33:01 ah, hormones :) Jun 18 00:33:02 Tibfib: idk how people even used it before there was a client Jun 18 00:33:10 lol Jun 18 00:33:10 even on android, there wasn't an official client for a long damn time Jun 18 00:33:28 that's actually how my friend got his job on the android dev team, the head of the google voice team liked his GV app and recommended him for an internship :D Jun 18 00:33:38 that's awesome Jun 18 00:33:53 ...his app was junk, and he'll even tell you that, the interface was less than glorious Jun 18 00:33:58 lol Jun 18 00:34:03 but the idea of having an app, a front end to google voice, was his Jun 18 00:34:08 also, it annoyed me that he was paying $50 for people to design his stuff for him Jun 18 00:34:32 http://blog.kandutech.com/?p=37 http://blog.kandutech.com/?p=13 Jun 18 00:35:02 yea, free market, etc, but that just seemed kinda cheap to me Jun 18 00:35:25 dwc-: wow Jun 18 00:35:34 just noticed that as well Jun 18 00:36:16 so I decided I'd just use the shitty gv web client, and maybe write an app for it sometime Jun 18 00:36:18 I'll pay you for a few pizzas and you get the privilege of being in the leading premier blah blah blah Jun 18 00:36:21 (which I haven't) Jun 18 00:37:16 isn't it the only one? Jun 18 00:37:32 the full site: we split up your > 160char texts for you, no problem: the mobile site: "sorry, you're limited to 160 chars" user: "you don't even give me a character count!" Jun 18 00:37:45 there's one other one? pgooglevoice or something... that I've heard is broken (and I never bothered trying either) Jun 18 00:37:46 whattt the ... why won't the stupid dev portal search load Jun 18 00:38:33 *yaawn* ... nice nap! :D Jun 18 00:38:40 hey NuttyBunny Jun 18 00:39:58 NuttyBunny, destinal: patches to make Impostah activation work on 1.4.5 are welcome. As you said, the web service stuff should work - it's just a matter of getting the device profile and palm profile info (I've split them out into separate model js files to make that easier to polymorphise for different OS versions) Jun 18 00:41:27 dwc-: mobile sites generally suck. changing content by user-agent is pretty much an abomination IMO Jun 18 00:41:49 lol Jun 18 00:42:18 rwhitby: ah, that sounds tempting, I don't think anyone would use the activation part, but it would be certainly interesting to make the profile login work over Wifi :) we still have to fix the Dr. SkippedFirstuse name tho Jun 18 00:42:47 it is raining over here.... ok, rain season begins, goodbye to the 32°C days Jun 18 00:42:48 like, hi, you're a mobile device? great! let me provide you with an ugly barely functional version of the site so you can't do what you came here for and could do on a desktop pc or if I didn't know you were a mobile device! Jun 18 00:43:02 NuttyBunny: have you confirmed that DrSkippedFirstuse works fine as a primary profile? Jun 18 00:43:27 +1 Jun 18 00:44:16 rwhitby: No. mmm... I'll use the Pixi for a couple of days with a new profile and see if it works fine Jun 18 00:47:26 weird, the Pixi won't turn on with the power button, but it does when connecting the usb cable :S Jun 18 01:12:49 Tibfib_: you declined the Amazon Cloud Player request for koto? Jun 18 01:15:28 Adora: ping Jun 18 01:16:01 ooh amazon cloud player Jun 18 01:16:55 javascript mp3 player --> http://jsmad.org/ Jun 18 01:18:00 LoneStar99: ugh Jun 18 01:18:12 just because you can do something doesn't mean you should :) Jun 18 01:18:24 it works well Jun 18 01:18:57 I wonder though about comparable cpu and battery use. Jun 18 01:22:04 not sure Jun 18 01:36:33 Warning: Something's Not Right Here! www.precentral.net contains content from assets1.smartphoneexperts.com, a site known to Jun 18 01:36:34 oops Jun 18 01:37:03 what? lol Jun 18 01:37:29 I don't see that Jun 18 01:37:41 thats what chrome tells me Jun 18 01:39:01 I looked on the mobile app Jun 18 02:03:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT7_CtjEVFU - Lion wants baby! Jun 18 02:05:03 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 18 02:59:56 2011