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Jun 18 03:33:22 <destinal> bizarre, there's apparently a wifi mouse made by HP
Jun 18 03:33:36 <PatrickC> huh?
Jun 18 03:33:57 <destinal> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/17/hp-ships-50-wifi-mobile-mouse-gives-your-bluetooth-radio-a-bre/
Jun 18 03:34:17 <destinal> wonder if anyone would want to use it on a webos device, but I suppose there's already bluetooth..
Jun 18 03:56:47 * PatrickC mumbles "stupid troubleshooting"
Jun 18 03:57:18 <sugardave> troubleshooting is a great skill to have and should be practiced often
Jun 18 03:57:30 <PatrickC> I practice it all the time lol
Jun 18 03:57:51 <PatrickC> I'm always trying to look through thousands of chars of code to find the one , I missed lol
Jun 18 03:58:28 <sugardave> try some code validation
Jun 18 03:58:31 <sugardave> like jslint
Jun 18 04:00:34 <PatrickC> eh, its easier for me to look at the code right now
Jun 18 04:06:16 <PatrickC> grr.. put something where it didn't belong..
Jun 18 04:08:59 <PatrickC> ok, visual port is done.. now.. tomorrow, I'll work on getting the visual to work..
Jun 18 05:01:51 <LoneStar99> --> $('can').innerHTML; gets content of id="can" is that right?
Jun 18 05:10:02 <oil_pre> prototype, yes
Jun 18 05:10:45 <LoneStar99> ok, that is what i thought, must be some other issue
Jun 18 05:10:48 <LoneStar99> thanks
Jun 18 05:25:03 <oil_pre> that's not multistage safe LoneStar99
Jun 18 05:25:25 <oil_pre> gotta use this.controller.get('id')
Jun 18 05:29:10 <LoneStar99> oil_pre: yeah i know, using it for a website, always use "this.controller.get" in mojo
Jun 18 05:29:29 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 18 05:29:32 <oil_pre> ok
Jun 18 08:08:39 <zee> i need to display time like in this example..
Jun 18 08:08:42 <zee> http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/03/quick-review-myclock/
Jun 18 08:08:55 <zee> how can i do?
Jun 18 08:16:29 <zee> can sumbody tell me?
Jun 18 10:40:52 <rwhitby> you should probably buy the app that is being reviewed in that article if you want to display time like that article ...
Jun 18 12:48:14 <phoque_uni> is it possible to crossapp-launch com.palm.app.email, open the composing view and attach a file to the email?
Jun 18 12:57:14 <phoque_uni> ough...
Jun 18 12:57:17 <phoque_uni> solved that
Jun 18 12:57:31 <phoque_uni> but oh my... my app is hitting the emulator performance quite a bit
Jun 18 12:57:37 <phoque_uni> much worse than the email-client itself
Jun 18 13:36:13 * PatrickC yawns goodmorning
Jun 18 13:54:28 <TYLER3_o>  twbbas
Jun 18 14:29:47 <zamo> Something I don't get. On android there are at least 10 office suites but on webos there isn't any. Just the same docs to go that came with the phone 2 years ago. Why aren't there any office suites
Jun 18 14:30:20 <Toaster> there are a lot of things for android that don't exist for webos...
Jun 18 14:31:06 <zamo> I know but a smrt phone without office suite isn't a smartphone
Jun 18 14:31:17 <zamo> Even palm os had one
Jun 18 14:31:36 <rwatkins> ya, they must have just forgot
Jun 18 14:31:49 <zamo> Lol
Jun 18 14:32:13 <zamo> Now I read the touch pad doesn't have one at launch either
Jun 18 14:32:26 <Popple3> zamo: At least is (supposedly) getting one
Jun 18 14:32:58 <zamo> Wasn't the original pre suppose to get one also
Jun 18 14:34:14 <rwatkins> sounds like a ripe opportunity if you want to write an office suite for the TP.
Jun 18 14:34:53 <rwatkins> be sure to build in very good support for MS Office file formats too while your at it.
Jun 18 14:37:33 <Hendikins> Heh, had my Pre2 out at the snow today. 1.4 overclocked was running at 7 degrees. :P
Jun 18 14:39:00 <zamo> Don't have the resources to do such a thing.
Jun 18 14:39:38 <rwatkins> sounds pretty trivial though, I cant see why its not done.
Jun 18 14:40:15 <rwhitby> if android has 10 then it must be dead simple
Jun 18 14:40:41 <rwatkins> and 8 of the 10 are likely pirated versions of the other 2
Jun 18 14:40:57 <zamo> No interest I suppose. Almost like webos doesn't exist or was written off
Jun 18 14:41:15 <rwhitby> in terms of market share, that is exactly correct.
Jun 18 14:57:09 * twbbas wishes he could see where webOS will be a year from now
Jun 18 14:58:20 <Loudergood> yes, either it's going to die and I'm going to know how BeOS users felt, or it's going to take off like a rocket
Jun 18 14:58:44 <twbbas> I feel it will be the latter
Jun 18 15:18:05 * PatrickC runs through door before oil locks it
Jun 18 15:18:52 <Loudergood> he's slick like that
Jun 18 15:19:51 <PatrickC> whew. made it :)
Jun 18 15:21:44 <PatrickC> grr...
Jun 18 15:21:50 * PatrickC needs a new laptop...
Jun 18 15:21:58 * twbbas needs a TouchPad
Jun 18 15:22:22 * PatrickC needs a Pre3 and a TouchPad
Jun 18 15:22:31 <twbbas> same
Jun 18 15:22:52 <PatrickC> twabbs: 128MB RAM, 15GB HDD, 686MHz P2 processor...
Jun 18 15:22:53 * twbbas wants HP to "make it right" by giving him a free Pre 3
Jun 18 15:23:11 <twbbas> lol
Jun 18 15:23:14 <twbbas> yeah you need a new one
Jun 18 15:23:18 <PatrickC> yeah lol
Jun 18 15:23:23 <PatrickC> 11 yrs old
Jun 18 15:23:27 <PatrickC> I think.. lol
Jun 18 15:23:29 <twbbas> I bought this one last year before college
Jun 18 15:23:53 <twbbas> 4gb RAM, 320GB HD, 2.2MHz processor
Jun 18 15:23:58 <twbbas> 14" screen
Jun 18 15:23:58 * PatrickC is a 10th grader lol  
Jun 18 15:24:04 <twbbas> :p
Jun 18 15:24:15 <twbbas> 14" is the perfect size for me really
Jun 18 15:24:24 <twbbas> Portable and tiny yet still useable
Jun 18 15:24:40 <PatrickC> anything more then 13.3" is good for me, just give me something haha
Jun 18 15:24:43 * sash_ also has a 14" laptop
Jun 18 15:24:54 <twbbas> Once you get into the 15" and above, the keyboards start having the the num pad on the right = huge laptop
Jun 18 15:25:09 <PatrickC> that's a 17" iirc
Jun 18 15:25:31 <twbbas> I went to Best Buy to try out their display of laptops and every 15" and above had a num pad
Jun 18 15:25:42 <twbbas> Yeah, it's useful but it's not worth compromising the portability
Jun 18 15:26:53 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 18 15:27:09 <PatrickC> I've never seen a 15" with a num pad before though
Jun 18 15:27:29 <twbbas> maybe it's a new thing
Jun 18 15:27:59 <PatrickC> probably
Jun 18 15:28:00 <twbbas> when I was buying this Dell one, I was deciding between similar HP and Dell laptops
Jun 18 15:28:12 <twbbas> Now that I find webOS is coming to HP PCs... I wish I could have gone with the HP one
Jun 18 15:38:08 <PatrickC> time to get coding
Jun 18 15:38:23 <PatrickC> if I don't respond for a while.. ^^ is why :)
Jun 18 15:47:27 <PatrickC> grr.. why won't this work.. :/
Jun 18 15:52:53 <twbbas> lol that's me everytime I code
Jun 18 15:54:07 <PatrickC> heh
Jun 18 15:55:14 <Loudergood> most of my comments start out as print statements for that reason
Jun 18 15:56:02 <twbbas> Me too
Jun 18 15:57:11 <Loudergood> for a while I made them all if statements that depended on a debug flag...but I never looked at how much that affected performance as well as I would've liked to
Jun 18 15:58:05 * PatrickC crosses fingers
Jun 18 16:00:45 <PatrickC> nope :/
Jun 18 16:41:46 <phoque_uni> whoa
Jun 18 16:41:50 <PatrickC> what?
Jun 18 16:41:54 <phoque_uni> the Spaz HD UI is such a mess
Jun 18 16:42:01 <phoque_uni> it's aweful
Jun 18 16:42:03 * PatrickC wants to see
Jun 18 16:42:14 <phoque_uni> there was a download somewhere
Jun 18 16:42:24 <PatrickC> there shouldn't be
Jun 18 16:42:27 <PatrickC> I don't think
Jun 18 16:42:32 <PatrickC> TibFib?
Jun 18 16:42:49 <Tibfib> hmmm?
Jun 18 16:42:54 <Tibfib> phoque_uni: please email your thoughts
Jun 18 16:43:04 <phoque_uni> Tibfib, where to?
Jun 18 16:43:05 <Tibfib> it is an Enyo app so under NDA
Jun 18 16:43:21 <Tibfib> coj @ funkatron.com or tibfib1 @ gmail.com
Jun 18 16:43:26 <PatrickC> ^ that's why I didn't think there was a dl anywhere
Jun 18 16:43:33 <phoque_uni> ok
Jun 18 16:44:06 <PatrickC> TibFib: is there a  beta people can join?
Jun 18 16:44:12 <Tibfib> PatrickC: no
Jun 18 16:44:23 <Tibfib> If you are in early access, check early access.
Jun 18 16:44:34 <PatrickC> its in there?
Jun 18 16:44:42 <PatrickC> if I can, I might check :)
Jun 18 16:44:49 <Tibfib> If you are in early access, check early access.
Jun 18 16:45:15 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 18 16:46:19 <Tibfib> phoque_uni: actually, go ahead and email it BOTH of those
Jun 18 16:46:54 <phoque_uni> Tibfib, that's what I wanted to do
Jun 18 16:50:59 <Tibfib> phoque_uni: be sure to include the version you have
Jun 18 16:57:22 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 18 17:38:17 <phoque_uni> Tibfib, sent
Jun 18 17:38:27 <Tibfib> cool, thanks
Jun 18 17:38:29 <phoque_uni> I'm looking forward to your answer :-)
Jun 18 17:39:23 <PatrickC> hey all
Jun 18 18:43:17 * sugardave is looking at an app with Mojo, Enyo, and jQuery in it.
Jun 18 18:43:19 <sugardave> blarg
Jun 18 18:43:27 <sugardave> WHY?!?!?!
Jun 18 18:43:43 <sugardave> HI ADORA I WAS JUST THINKING ABUT YOU
Jun 18 18:43:49 <sugardave> about, too
Jun 18 18:44:20 <rwatkins> and Mojo brings in Prototype too
Jun 18 18:44:24 <singmajesty> sugardave: My next app is probably going to have Mojo, Enyo and jQuery
Jun 18 18:44:35 <sugardave> singmajesty: WHY?!?!?!
Jun 18 18:44:44 <sugardave> if you have a reason, that's fine
Jun 18 18:44:47 <singmajesty> [ Mojo + Prototype] and [ Enyo + jQuery ]
Jun 18 18:44:52 <singmajesty> fat packaging
Jun 18 18:44:54 <sugardave> this app does 3 things in mojo
Jun 18 18:45:06 <singmajesty> The first combo is an application that runs on webOS 1.x and 2.x phones
Jun 18 18:45:17 <singmajesty> The second combo is an application that runs on webOS 3.x for the TouchPad
Jun 18 18:45:28 <Popple3> sugardave: Wait, are they using Mojo in a TouchPad app? O_o
Jun 18 18:45:31 <rwatkins> much like multi architecture binary bundles :)
Jun 18 18:45:39 <sugardave> sets this.controller.body to document.body, calls an external function (but pass an enyo method to it), and runs another external function
Jun 18 18:45:44 <sugardave> all of this should not be here
Jun 18 18:45:50 <singmajesty> I wouldn't actually use both, simultaneously
Jun 18 18:45:57 <sugardave> singmajesty: oh, they are :D
Jun 18 18:46:06 <Popple3> no, definitely not :/
Jun 18 18:46:07 <sugardave> Popple3: yes
Jun 18 18:46:13 <Popple3> D:
Jun 18 18:46:14 <singmajesty> Maybe they have a Mojo application that they're trying to "spice up" with Enyo?
Jun 18 18:46:20 <singmajesty> I guess that's fine, if it works
Jun 18 18:46:25 <sugardave> no, I just got the response, they don't know what they're doing
Jun 18 18:46:27 <singmajesty> "if it works" being a key pivot point :)
Jun 18 18:46:37 <singmajesty> Ah, so they're probably confused by mixed messaging
Jun 18 18:46:42 <sugardave> yes
Jun 18 18:46:48 <singmajesty> "How do I ... on webOS"
Jun 18 18:46:55 <sugardave> so, jquery
Jun 18 18:46:58 <sugardave> sucks?
Jun 18 18:47:06 <singmajesty> No, I like jQuery a lot better than Prototype
Jun 18 18:47:07 <sugardave> or is it just being used in a bad way
Jun 18 18:47:13 <sugardave> because this app is HORRENDOUSLY slow
Jun 18 18:47:19 <singmajesty>  That's probably because of Mojo
Jun 18 18:47:25 <sugardave> even when I take it out
Jun 18 18:47:28 * rwatkins , not a big jquery fan.
Jun 18 18:47:37 <singmajesty> You also need to run jQuery in a noConflict mode if you want to use it next to Prototype
Jun 18 18:47:42 <sugardave> it still takes forever to get actions done, switch to views, etc.
Jun 18 18:47:56 <sugardave> singmajesty: no need, I just got them to agree to rip out out Mojo
Jun 18 18:48:00 <sugardave> woo!
Jun 18 18:48:22 <PatrickC> yeah! lol
Jun 18 18:48:30 <sugardave> singmajesty: is htat noConflict thing applicable to running it with OTHER frameworks?
Jun 18 18:48:42 <sugardave> like, say [redacted]? :D
Jun 18 18:48:56 <singmajesty> Well, Prototype and jQuery both assign themselves to the dollar sign
Jun 18 18:49:04 <PatrickC> sugardave: hehe
Jun 18 18:49:05 <singmajesty> $("my-div").css ...
Jun 18 18:49:29 <sugardave> right
Jun 18 18:49:36 <singmajesty> So if you load Mojo, then load jQuery, it will replace $ calls with jQuery instead of Prototype, and the world might explode on you
Jun 18 18:49:44 <sugardave> that won't tromp on something like this.$, though?
Jun 18 18:49:51 <singmajesty> Umm
Jun 18 18:49:53 <singmajesty> Maybe not
Jun 18 18:50:08 <singmajesty> It's a global object, not a child property
Jun 18 18:50:10 <sugardave> probably moot anyway, all they're using it for is rotation and app menu
Jun 18 18:50:42 <sugardave> it's like they copied their whole site into this app and banged on it with code snippet hammers until it displayed
Jun 18 18:50:58 <singmajesty> Maybe they should be using PhoneGap instead of Mojo or Enyo?
Jun 18 18:51:07 <singmajesty> Yeah, that might be right :)
Jun 18 18:51:24 <sugardave> well, the problem now is time
Jun 18 18:51:37 <sugardave> if I was smart, I would have started re-writing it last night :P
Jun 18 18:51:48 <sugardave> but nooooo, I decided to see if I could fix it instead
Jun 18 18:51:49 <singmajesty> Is this for ODD or something?
Jun 18 18:51:58 <sugardave> I don't know what that is
Jun 18 18:52:27 <singmajesty> on-device demo
Jun 18 18:53:41 <sugardave> see pm
Jun 18 18:54:24 <PatrickC> sugardave: is this an app you are working on?
Jun 18 18:54:35 <sugardave> I am working on someone else's app, yes
Jun 18 18:54:43 <PatrickC> ah. cool
Jun 18 19:10:57 <PatrickC> anyone wanting to help me test an app, PM me
Jun 18 19:12:04 <sugardave> arg windows
Jun 18 19:12:10 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 18 19:12:32 <Popple3> PatrickC: Got a TouchPad? :P
Jun 18 19:12:40 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 18 19:12:44 <Popple3> then no :P
Jun 18 19:12:47 <PatrickC> but it would be useful :
Jun 18 19:13:03 <PatrickC> I need help testing my app lol
Jun 18 19:20:58 <PatrickC> sugardave: want to be a alpha tester for one of my apps?
Jun 18 19:27:21 <sugardave> nope
Jun 18 19:27:28 <sugardave> got plenty to do thanks
Jun 18 19:27:40 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 18 19:42:20 <PatrickC> anyone?
Jun 18 19:42:33 <rotten777> when i get my touchpad i will ;)
Jun 18 19:43:38 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 18 19:43:57 <PatrickC> the touchpad would be nice, but this can be tested on all devices ;)
Jun 18 19:44:12 <rotten777> probably not an android though eh?
Jun 18 19:44:20 <rotten777> i'm webos deprived unfortunately
Jun 18 19:45:29 <PatrickC> its webos
Jun 18 19:45:38 <PatrickC> but it will be on android soon :)
Jun 18 19:45:43 <rotten777> cool
Jun 18 19:45:53 <rotten777> i'm trying to teach myself how to dev on webos
Jun 18 19:47:24 <Popple3> PatrickC: Oh, a Pre 2 is enough to test your app? Fire the ipk in an email if you want so
Jun 18 19:47:50 <Popple3> rotten777: It's really fun and easy :)
Jun 18 19:47:56 <PatrickC> step 1: sign up for early access /re rotten777
Jun 18 19:48:02 <PatrickC> Popple3: see PM
Jun 18 19:48:39 <rotten777> Popple3: I hope so I'm trying to find docs now to learn... I have 9 days of vacation to suck up some knowledge before I have to run my company again
Jun 18 19:49:09 <rotten777> PatrickC: I've done that... still just trying to find resources and tutorials to get my feet wet... i'm running ubuntu 11.04 and virtualbox won't run the emulator... so
Jun 18 19:49:16 <Popple3> rotten777: You can learn Mojo, but you're probably best off getting into early access
Jun 18 19:49:51 <PatrickC> rotten777: if you are in early access, then don't learn mojo
Jun 18 19:50:24 <rotten777> PatrickC: i'm not familiar with the differences... I don't come from a heavy dev background although I've done C and PHP
Jun 18 19:50:54 <PatrickC> rotten: Enyo (new framework) is much easier then Mojo (old framework)
Jun 18 19:51:50 <rotten777> PatrickC: any helpful url's for enyo or related information? I'm dying to learn
Jun 18 19:52:01 <rotten777> watching the enyo dev day video right now... :)
Jun 18 19:52:02 <sugardave> rotten777: request access to the Early Access Program through pdc@palm.com
Jun 18 19:52:16 <sugardave> there is no public info for Enyo yet
Jun 18 19:52:31 <PatrickC> Enyo is NDA (Non-Disclosure)
Jun 18 19:52:37 <rotten777> rgr
Jun 18 19:52:57 <Popple3> PatrickC: *Non-Disclosure Agreement :P
Jun 18 19:53:05 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 18 19:54:24 <rotten777> ok well i e-mailed the pdc@palm.com .... here's hoping
Jun 18 19:54:35 <rotten777> any other good sources to learn WebOS dev
Jun 18 19:54:36 <rotten777> ?
Jun 18 19:54:47 <PatrickC> developer.palm.com
Jun 18 19:54:51 <PatrickC> precentral.net
Jun 18 19:54:53 <sugardave> webos101.com has a bunch of Mojo stuff
Jun 18 19:55:01 <PatrickC> webos-internals.org
Jun 18 19:55:50 <rotten777> bookmarked.. awesome! now i just need some hardware to dev on!
Jun 18 19:56:34 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 18 20:02:55 <PatrickC> anyone else?
Jun 18 20:03:31 <singmajesty> rotten777: Not sure if people mentioned there are two paths for development on webOS
Jun 18 20:03:41 <singmajesty> 1.) web stack, 2.) native Linux stack
Jun 18 20:03:58 <PatrickC> I've never heard that
Jun 18 20:04:00 <rotten777> ok didn't know that...
Jun 18 20:04:02 <singmajesty> The widget set is on the web side, if you use Enyo, but otherwise you can write a standard web application
Jun 18 20:04:19 <singmajesty> Otherwise you can write a standard C/C++ Linux application, on top of SDL
Jun 18 20:04:29 <rotten777> oh ok
Jun 18 20:04:32 <Popple3> PatrickC: web stack = Mojo/Enyo, native Linux stack = PDK
Jun 18 20:04:37 <singmajesty> So on the web side, there's PhoneGap, Mojo, Enyo, Sencha, jQuery Mobile, frameworkless HTML, etc.
Jun 18 20:04:53 <singmajesty> On the native Linux side there's C/C++, haXe, Airplay SDK, ShiVa 3D, etc
Jun 18 20:05:04 <singmajesty> I hear there's even someone who has Python working
Jun 18 20:05:23 <singmajesty> So those are the two main entry points, but as you can tell, there are still several options for each approach
Jun 18 20:05:45 <PatrickC> rotten777: I run a tutorial site ( http://simpletutorials.org ) that you can visit from time-to-time
Jun 18 20:05:57 <PatrickC> we'll have enyo and mojo tutorials up soon
Jun 18 20:06:04 <rotten777> ok cool
Jun 18 20:06:05 <singmajesty> If you want a straightforward example of a C++ project for webOS, you can download one from here:
Jun 18 20:06:06 <singmajesty> http://www.joshuagranick.com/code/pdk/
Jun 18 20:06:19 <singmajesty> The example compiles to the desktop for Mac, Windows or Linux, and also to the device
Jun 18 20:06:28 <PatrickC> if anyone wants to write a tutorial in *any* programming language, PM me
Jun 18 20:07:19 <rotten777> so sdl experience is going to be real key?
Jun 18 20:07:29 <PatrickC> my site takes *all* programming languages that are still used today. no punch cards :)
Jun 18 20:07:31 <singmajesty> Everyone is different, and every application is different, so the approach or technology you use will vary
Jun 18 20:07:50 <singmajesty> SDL is simple to understand if you haven't used it before in C
Jun 18 20:08:16 <rotten777> i haven't... is there a good reference book?
Jun 18 20:08:33 <singmajesty> It helps make applications portable, so the same code can run graphics and sounds on Windows, Mac, Linux, webOS ... without any platform specific code
Jun 18 20:08:44 <PatrickC> cool!
Jun 18 20:08:45 <rotten777> ahh gotcha
Jun 18 20:08:51 <singmajesty> Here's the API:
Jun 18 20:08:51 <singmajesty> http://www.libsdl.org/docs/html/reference.html
Jun 18 20:08:56 <singmajesty> There might be better references
Jun 18 20:09:13 <singmajesty> ...but if you download the 01-Getting-Started.zip sample, that draws a red square using SDL
Jun 18 20:09:20 <rotten777> the table of contents starts at 5 on that page lol
Jun 18 20:09:23 <singmajesty> It also includes a C++ class I wrote for a SDL event/render loop
Jun 18 20:09:24 <rotten777> yeah i'm reading the source on that now
Jun 18 20:09:42 <singmajesty> 02-Loading-Images.zip goes the next step to load an image and render using SDL
Jun 18 20:09:57 <singmajesty> You can use OpenGL ES on top of SDL if you want, as well
Jun 18 20:10:04 <PatrickC> singmajesty: you know C++ pretty good I imagine?
Jun 18 20:10:14 <singmajesty> I was going to do a tutorial series, but there didn't seem to be interest
Jun 18 20:10:25 <singmajesty> Most C developers I've met want a simple build example
Jun 18 20:10:28 <PatrickC> you can do it for my site if you want
Jun 18 20:10:40 <PatrickC> s/it/a tutorial/
Jun 18 20:10:53 <singmajesty> PatrickC: Are you using a CMS for that site, or is it straight HTML?
Jun 18 20:11:05 <PatrickC> HTML/CSS
Jun 18 20:11:22 <PatrickC> and CMS would be? lol
Jun 18 20:11:25 <PatrickC> never heard of that
Jun 18 20:11:28 <singmajesty> Oh, content management system
Jun 18 20:11:37 <singmajesty> Like http://www.concrete5.org
Jun 18 20:11:37 <PatrickC> nope. its all hand written
Jun 18 20:12:24 <PatrickC> if you would like to do any of the C languages in a tutorial, please PM me :)
Jun 18 20:13:03 <singmajesty> I primarily used haXe for my games on webOS (supports Flash-like programming, translated to C++ internally)
Jun 18 20:13:12 * PatrickC needs a good C/C++/C#/Obj. C tutorial anyway :)
Jun 18 20:13:26 <PatrickC> is haXe a good language?
Jun 18 20:13:27 <singmajesty> I used Mojo for my previous web applications, but I'm probably going to use haXe with Enyo for my next web app
Jun 18 20:13:42 <singmajesty> It's like Actionscript, or similar to Javascript or Java
Jun 18 20:14:11 <singmajesty> One of the cool things about it is that the compiler can turn your code into another language
Jun 18 20:14:26 <singmajesty> haXe -> PHP, JS, C++, Actionscript
Jun 18 20:14:45 <singmajesty> So I wrote my games, compiled for Flash, compiled for C++ for webOS
Jun 18 20:14:56 <PatrickC> could you write a tutorial for it? :)
Jun 18 20:15:14 <singmajesty> I'm working on "externs" for Enyo, so I can write an Enyo application with code completion, inline documentation, compile-time error checking, etc.
Jun 18 20:15:41 <PatrickC> I want my site to be the *1 stop* place for *all* your coding tutorial needs :)
Jun 18 20:16:12 <PatrickC> so, I'll take *any*, and I mean any, language someone is willing to write a tutorial for :)
Jun 18 20:16:47 <singmajesty> You might consider using a content management system, because that makes it really easy to add additional users, give them editing rights for parts of the site, generate new pages using the same site style, etc.
Jun 18 20:17:10 <singmajesty> I have an add-on for Concrete5 that lets me add WordPress blog entries as a block of content I can stick anywhere I want
Jun 18 20:17:27 <singmajesty> (Drag-and-drop WYSIWYG editing in the browser, etc)
Jun 18 20:17:54 <singmajesty> Would be easy to drop in a tutorial pulled straight off my blog or some other source
Jun 18 20:18:10 <PatrickC> hmm.. sounds nice
Jun 18 20:18:15 <singmajesty> ...or to let people contribute without headaches
Jun 18 20:18:16 <PatrickC> I'll look into it thanks!
Jun 18 20:18:24 <singmajesty> You can also set it up so that edits require administrator approval
Jun 18 20:18:39 <PatrickC> its free?
Jun 18 20:18:40 <singmajesty> So people could submit content, while still giving you the ability to filter it if you wanted to
Jun 18 20:18:41 <singmajesty> Yeah
Jun 18 20:18:45 <singmajesty> Oh, and making a theme is easy
Jun 18 20:18:54 <singmajesty> Basically straight HTML, then a couple PHP snippets
Jun 18 20:19:02 <PatrickC> I don't know PHP yet
Jun 18 20:19:13 <PatrickC> and thanks!!
Jun 18 20:19:27 <PatrickC> we'll be in touch :)
Jun 18 20:20:18 <rotten777> enyo concept mail client in dev day video is slick
Jun 18 20:20:45 <singmajesty> PatrickC: Yeah, if you already have an HTML theme ready, and are interested in using it with something like Concrete, let me know and I can probably help
Jun 18 20:20:53 <singmajesty> PatrickC: Just email me at joshua.granick@palm.com
Jun 18 20:20:57 <PatrickC> thanks!
Jun 18 20:21:08 <singmajesty> rotten777: Yeah, it's one of my favorite apps on the TouchPad!
Jun 18 20:21:27 <singmajesty> It's given me a lot of good ideas when thinking about my own applications, designed for a tablet
Jun 18 20:21:34 <singmajesty> Oh, one last thing...
Jun 18 20:21:47 <singmajesty> You can mix the web stuff with the native stuff...
Jun 18 20:21:55 <rotten777> yeeah
Jun 18 20:22:05 <rotten777> you have a touchpad already?
Jun 18 20:22:27 <singmajesty> It doesn't render as quickly, but you can drop C++ into an Enyo application just like an <object>, like Flash
Jun 18 20:22:41 <rotten777> that's real slick
Jun 18 20:22:52 <singmajesty> I am a Palm employee. I'm in developer relations for the PDK -- the C++ stuff.
Jun 18 20:23:05 <rotten777> oh ha that makes sense then
Jun 18 20:23:05 <PatrickC> singmajesty: I take it you work for palm?
Jun 18 20:23:14 <rotten777> very cool
Jun 18 20:23:21 <singmajesty> ...but I've done a lot of work with HTML/JS/CSS/PHP in the past, so I'm familiar with both
Jun 18 20:23:37 <singmajesty> Yeah, I can test Enyo and web stuff in a browser or the emulator
Jun 18 20:23:39 <PatrickC> singmajesty: want to be a beta tester for my app?
Jun 18 20:23:51 <singmajesty> ...but it is harder to troubleshoot and test C++ applications without a device sometimes. That's why I have one
Jun 18 20:24:00 <singmajesty> PatrickC: What's your app?
Jun 18 20:24:10 <rotten777> yeah well i can't wait to get a touchpad to get writing apps... my head is full of ideas! now i just need to get my dev juju going
Jun 18 20:24:14 <singmajesty> My wife loves it :)
Jun 18 20:24:19 <PatrickC> 1 second, I'll PM you what it does
Jun 18 20:24:28 <singmajesty> Well if you have any questions, feel free to email me too!
Jun 18 20:24:30 <rotten777> one of my companies needs some pretty strange stuff
Jun 18 20:27:11 <PatrickC> whew.. I just got my hosting account suspended
Jun 18 20:27:19 <PatrickC> but fixed
Jun 18 20:29:31 <singmajesty> That reminds me...
Jun 18 20:29:43 <singmajesty> I think my domain names are about to expire... (have to take care of that)
Jun 18 20:30:13 <rotten777> i'm stoked. if i can get a grip on the dev for this, this is going to be huge. here's hoping july 1 brings me a touchpad tab
Jun 18 20:30:31 <singmajesty> If you want to go with C++, it's easier than iOS and much easier than Android
Jun 18 20:30:43 <rotten777> yeah i've done C and derivatives before
Jun 18 20:30:52 <singmajesty> If you want to go with web, I still feel, personally, that it's a good experience
Jun 18 20:31:10 <rotten777> never this high level but always functional and i've had great results
Jun 18 20:31:26 <rotten777> but now with the two companies i run i have a situation in which this could change the game
Jun 18 20:31:29 <rotten777> in a great way
Jun 18 20:32:29 <PatrickC> singmajesty: Concrete5 is a one-click-install for my from my hosting provider :)
Jun 18 20:33:51 <rotten777> sing any idea on the market costs for devs?
Jun 18 20:34:25 <rotten777> ahh nevermind i just found the page...
Jun 18 20:35:26 <newToWebOs> hy there.I want to develop a plugin for the "presentation mode" of WebOS 2.x. Does anyone know if it is possible with the Mojo Framework (JS/CSS/HTML) or do I need to use the PDK?
Jun 18 20:35:29 <singmajesty> It's currently a 70/30 split on revenue, and there's a lot of interest in the TouchPad, so it is easy to rise to the top if you have a great app
Jun 18 20:35:54 <singmajesty> No costs for becoming a developer or submitting an app. Submitting a new app usually takes around a week, and submitting updates usually take around 2 days
Jun 18 20:36:21 <rotten777> nice
Jun 18 20:36:30 <singmajesty> newToWebOs: You can definitely use Exhibition Mode from Mojo or Enyo
Jun 18 20:37:09 <singmajesty> newToWebOs: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/exhibition.html
Jun 18 20:37:35 <singmajesty> Okay guys, I've got to go
Jun 18 20:37:42 <singmajesty> PatrickC, rotten777, nice meeting you
Jun 18 20:37:49 <PatrickC> cya
Jun 18 20:37:57 <singmajesty> Feel free to email me if you have more questions or just want to share something cool you're testing out ;)
Jun 18 20:38:17 <rotten777> thanks for the help!
Jun 18 20:38:59 <singmajesty> Have a great day!
Jun 18 20:39:07 <newToWebOs> singmajesty: Thank you for the hint!
Jun 18 21:11:11 <PatrickC> grr...
Jun 18 21:11:21 * PatrickC wishes he had access to a PC right now :/
Jun 18 21:12:19 <summatusmentis> whyfore?
Jun 18 21:12:32 * rotten777 wishes he had access to a touchpad right now :\
Jun 18 21:13:32 <PatrickC> summatumentis: I want to fix up my site.. but I'm on the pre2 right now..
Jun 18 21:13:55 <summatusmentis> vim and terminus dude
Jun 18 21:13:56 <summatusmentis> :)
Jun 18 21:14:00 <PatrickC> heh
Jun 18 21:14:14 <PatrickC> x10 doesn't offer vim free :)
Jun 18 21:14:40 <PatrickC> and I would have to use XTerm, pre2 :)
Jun 18 21:14:46 <PatrickC> or did they fix terminus?
Jun 18 21:15:32 <summatusmentis> you can fix terminus, just remove one of the lines in the jail file
Jun 18 21:16:40 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 18 21:16:50 <PatrickC> can you copy/paste in terminus?
Jun 18 21:16:59 <summatusmentis> no idea
Jun 18 21:17:03 <summatusmentis> I don't do that
Jun 18 21:18:15 <cxreg> wht protocol does citrix receiver use?  its own?
Jun 18 21:18:34 <rotten777> network protocol?
Jun 18 21:18:53 <cxreg> well, let's say, is it RDP compatible?
Jun 18 21:20:00 <rotten777> per this : http://support.citrix.com/servlet/KbServlet/download/2389-102-654859/CitrixPorts_by_Port_1103.pdf ... it does use 3389 so i think so
Jun 18 21:20:45 <cxreg> hm, that'd be handy
Jun 18 21:20:46 <summatusmentis> I'm sure it's partially proprietary
Jun 18 21:21:01 <rotten777> oh definitely yes
Jun 18 21:21:11 <cxreg> it would be nice to just be able to use it straight up with a windows remote desktop
Jun 18 21:21:23 <summatusmentis> I'm 99% sure that's not possible
Jun 18 21:21:27 <cxreg> figures
Jun 18 21:21:37 <rotten777> you want a terminal services client is that what you want?
Jun 18 21:21:42 <summatusmentis> that's how copmanies do things
Jun 18 21:21:51 <cxreg> i dont know what "terminal services client" is exactly
Jun 18 21:21:57 <cxreg> i just want RDP to work on the touchpad :-)
Jun 18 21:22:14 <rotten777> into a microsoft os?
Jun 18 21:22:17 <summatusmentis> RDP is probably do-able
Jun 18 21:22:19 <rotten777> from your touchpad
Jun 18 21:22:21 <summatusmentis> or, possible
Jun 18 21:22:30 <cxreg> rotten777: yeah that's the idea
Jun 18 21:22:31 <rotten777> oh i'm sure it is, if it hasn't been made yet
Jun 18 21:22:34 <cxreg> rotten777: i do from my linux desktop
Jun 18 21:22:46 <rotten777> cxreg: yes that's a terminal services client or a remote desktop client
Jun 18 21:22:52 <cxreg> ok right, then that
Jun 18 21:22:57 <summatusmentis> touchpad is linux, you could probably figure out how to do it
Jun 18 21:23:03 <rotten777> i don't have a touchpad yet so i can't say 100% but if it isn't made yet, i'm sure it will be
Jun 18 21:23:09 <cxreg> summatusmentis: well right, i know that
Jun 18 21:23:44 <cxreg> if nothing works at launch, ill poke around with it
Jun 18 21:24:20 <rotten777> http://tsclient.sourceforge.net/
Jun 18 21:25:11 <cxreg> i've used that with it before, stopped in favor of just using a static forward
Jun 18 21:25:15 <cxreg> oh wait
Jun 18 21:25:26 <cxreg> got the name mixed up
Jun 18 21:26:03 <rotten777> i'm sure with the open source push with webos, it'll be there for the touchpad pretty quick ;)
Jun 18 21:26:24 <cxreg> oh yeah right, tsclient is just a front-end to rdesktop which is what im using
Jun 18 21:27:32 <cxreg> you know, the pad is beefy enough that running a rootless X is probably a reasonable thing to do
Jun 18 21:27:40 <cxreg> that makes it trivial
Jun 18 21:27:51 <rotten777> yessir
Jun 18 21:28:41 <PatrickC> rotten777: dualboot 10.10 to run vbox?
Jun 18 21:29:08 <rotten777> PatrickC: running on an 80gb ssd so no thanks ;)
Jun 18 21:29:15 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 18 21:29:22 <cxreg> i was thinking about not getting one right at launch, but then what kind of fanboy would i be
Jun 18 21:29:35 <summatusmentis> I'm not getting one at launch< I don't have the cash now
Jun 18 21:29:41 <summatusmentis> but I'll get one as soon as I do
Jun 18 21:29:51 <cxreg> i've got an empty credit card staring me in the face
Jun 18 21:29:52 <cxreg> lol
Jun 18 21:30:03 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: same here
Jun 18 21:30:19 <PatrickC> cxreg: wanna share that card? :)
Jun 18 21:30:22 <rotten777> i'm getting one at launch. it's a company expense and will be NET free after taxes :)
Jun 18 21:30:22 <summatusmentis> no credit cards for me
Jun 18 21:30:24 <cxreg> heh :)
Jun 18 21:30:45 <PatrickC> rotten777: nice
Jun 18 21:31:09 <PatrickC> Adora! when do we get dev pricing on the touchpad????
Jun 18 21:31:16 <summatusmentis> I don't have a company to have a company expenses :)
Jun 18 21:31:27 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: actually, yeah, I'm planning on that too
Jun 18 21:31:27 <rotten777> sammatusmentis: sucker! ;)
Jun 18 21:31:30 * PatrickC is his company :P
Jun 18 21:31:48 <summatusmentis> rotten777: yeh, grad students don't get to have companies :-D
Jun 18 21:31:57 <PatrickC> chuqui can answer too :)
Jun 18 21:32:07 <PatrickC> students don't have companies haha
Jun 18 21:32:14 * PatrickC is 10th grade
Jun 18 21:32:27 <chuqui> PatrickC:  stay tuned
Jun 18 21:32:34 <PatrickC> thanks..... lol
Jun 18 21:32:45 <PatrickC> lemme guess.. "in the coming months" ? :)
Jun 18 21:32:59 <rotten777> there's dev pricing? i don't have to wait to get the touchpad if i want dev pricing do i? :X
Jun 18 21:33:00 <cxreg> how do you qualify for dev pricing?
Jun 18 21:33:24 <summatusmentis> cxreg: generally you're signed up for the dev program
Jun 18 21:33:24 <PatrickC> well, first they have to start the dev pricing program :)
Jun 18 21:33:30 <summatusmentis> or, that's how it's been in the past
Jun 18 21:33:33 <PatrickC> then details flow out
Jun 18 21:33:38 <cxreg> summatusmentis: well, I'm that.  i'm just not good at actually, you know, publishing :(
Jun 18 21:33:52 <summatusmentis> same here dude
Jun 18 21:34:01 <PatrickC> cxreg: get a developer account, and use Ares
Jun 18 21:34:37 <summatusmentis> but, at least that from what I've seen, there's nothing that's contingent on having an app published... you just have to ask for a coupon (as I understand it)
Jun 18 21:34:53 <PatrickC> ^^ iirc that's it
Jun 18 21:35:24 <PatrickC> cxreg: what language(s) do you know?
Jun 18 21:35:27 <PatrickC> programming wise
Jun 18 21:35:42 <summatusmentis> but I've never done it, so, you know
Jun 18 21:36:00 <PatrickC> I've only gotten them through the free device program
Jun 18 21:37:34 <cxreg> PatrickC: Perl, C, javascript, *mumble mumble*
Jun 18 21:37:52 <cxreg> i "know" about a dozen others
Jun 18 21:37:55 <PatrickC> then you should be able to code relatively easily :)
Jun 18 21:37:57 <cxreg> yeah
Jun 18 21:37:59 <cxreg> i know
Jun 18 21:38:01 <cxreg> i'm lazy
Jun 18 21:38:04 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 18 21:38:23 <PatrickC> you need to get early access
Jun 18 21:38:27 <cxreg> i have that too
Jun 18 21:38:29 <PatrickC> you would have fun with Enyo :)
Jun 18 21:38:54 <cxreg> i played a bit, and couldnt figure out how to make certain bits of the ui work
Jun 18 21:39:02 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: what language(s) do you know?
Jun 18 21:39:21 <cxreg> lately, the things i *do* publish have a bit of a "huh?  why?" factor
Jun 18 21:39:37 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 18 21:39:38 <cxreg> like, for example, a bash library that sets your environment variables when you cd
Jun 18 21:39:42 <PatrickC> what have you published?
Jun 18 21:40:03 <cxreg> not for webos, just a thing on github
Jun 18 21:40:16 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 18 21:40:50 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: C/Java primarily
Jun 18 21:41:04 <PatrickC> you can dev for webos in C
Jun 18 21:41:10 <summatusmentis> basic HTML/CSS, basic python
Jun 18 21:41:22 <summatusmentis> I know all that, I've been trying to teach myself JS
Jun 18 21:41:28 <cxreg> that thing is https://github.com/cxreg/smartcd if you're curious
Jun 18 21:41:48 <cxreg> i've spent way too many 'tuits on it in the last few weeks
Jun 18 21:42:36 <cxreg> making real apps could produce incoming, you'd think that would motivate me
Jun 18 21:42:40 <cxreg> er, income
Jun 18 21:43:10 <summatusmentis> I just haven't had time to finish the app I want to write
Jun 18 21:44:57 <PatrickC> cxreg: haha
Jun 18 21:45:04 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: what's the app?
Jun 18 21:46:16 <PatrickC> PM if you don't want it public
Jun 18 23:03:21 <PatrickC> hey IGNTNUNLMTD!
Jun 18 23:03:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Güd evening!
Jun 18 23:03:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> er
Jun 18 23:03:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wait
Jun 18 23:03:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm in Germany so the time zone is way off
Jun 18 23:03:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 1:00 AM here :-P
Jun 18 23:03:55 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 18 23:04:01 <Popple3> Guten abend IGNTNUNLMTD
Jun 18 23:04:02 <PatrickC> its 6PM here
Jun 18 23:04:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Popple3: I'm American but I'm on vacation :-P
Jun 18 23:04:30 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 18 23:04:34 <Popple3> IGNTNUNLMTD: Oh right :P That's good, my German sucks
Jun 18 23:04:35 <Popple3> lol
Jun 18 23:04:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> today was one of the best days of my life
Jun 18 23:04:48 <PatrickC> why?
Jun 18 23:05:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my Gearhead Pilgrimage is complete.
Jun 18 23:05:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have rounded the Nurburgring.
Jun 18 23:05:14 <PatrickC> huh? lol
Jun 18 23:07:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> only the coolest place on the face of the planet.
Jun 18 23:07:53 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 18 23:09:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://nurburgring.org.uk/stickers/nurburgringoldsticker.jpg
Jun 18 23:09:10 <rwatkins> rounded it in what?
Jun 18 23:09:22 <ddluk> Yupi, my Package Tracking HD application for Touchpad is now accepted :)
Jun 18 23:10:15 <PatrickC> ddluk: what's different?
Jun 18 23:10:40 <ddluk> PatrickC: ?
Jun 18 23:11:03 <PatrickC> what's different about the HD version (besides probably being Enyo)
Jun 18 23:11:45 <ddluk> PatrickC: added possibility to track 44 carriers, print mode
Jun 18 23:11:58 <PatrickC> cool!
Jun 18 23:12:03 <halfhalo> "I want the hd's and the bg's and the wifi's"
Jun 18 23:12:11 <rwatkins> gee 'print' is suddently a feature of the new HP webOS devices everywhere. :)
Jun 18 23:12:15 <PatrickC> I have the original (Mojo) version
Jun 18 23:12:21 <rwatkins> developer kickback for adding htat?
Jun 18 23:12:43 <ddluk> I'm working on adding all options from HD to normal version for phones
Jun 18 23:20:00 <Popple3> Yay! Postie has been accepted now :D Third time lucky :P
Jun 18 23:31:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rwatkins: 2011 911 GT3 RS as a passenger
Jun 18 23:54:59 <Tibfib> what's the sdk tool to ssh into a device?
Jun 18 23:55:06 <Popple3> is there any useful exhibition apps out there, or is the built in Agenda view pretty much all?
Jun 18 23:55:24 <Popple3> Tibfib: novaterm
Jun 18 23:55:34 <Tibfib> boom!
Jun 18 23:55:36 <Tibfib> thank you
Jun 18 23:55:37 <Popple3> Tibfib: Or do you want to install sshd on it?
Jun 18 23:55:46 <Popple3> nevermind, you don't :P
Jun 19 00:03:12 * PatrickC walks in
Jun 19 00:03:23 * Popple3 pushes PatrickC out
Jun 19 00:03:44 * PatrickC enters through back door
Jun 19 00:04:06 <PatrickC> huh.. it was unlocked
Jun 19 00:04:14 <Popple3> Must. Not. Make. Inappropriate. Joke
Jun 19 00:04:22 <PatrickC> wow.... lol
Jun 19 00:04:30 <Popple3> lol
Jun 19 00:04:59 <PatrickC> oil: ping?
Jun 19 00:06:08 <Tibfib> doh. I can't seem to use luna-send with novaterm
Jun 19 00:06:27 <PatrickC> uhoh
Jun 19 00:06:45 <Popple3> Tibfib: What are you trying to do?
Jun 19 00:06:50 <Tibfib> luna-send with novaterm
Jun 19 00:06:55 <Tibfib> hah. I want to simulate an sms
Jun 19 00:07:59 <Popple3> Tibfib: You don't run luna-send on the device do you? O_o I would've thought you'd do it on your computer to target your device
Jun 19 00:08:34 <Popple3> oh wait, emulator, not device
Jun 19 00:08:37 <Tibfib> "You can send radio events to the emulator by using the luna-send command from within a novaterm or ssh session."
Jun 19 00:08:56 <Tibfib> I wonder if 2.1 is not supported
Jun 19 00:09:08 <Popple3> I stand corrected
Jun 19 00:09:37 <Popple3> Why would you need to simulate them anyway? O.o
Jun 19 00:09:56 <Tibfib> I'm thinking about making a patch for sms dashboards
Jun 19 00:09:56 * Popple3 is probably just being stupid
Jun 19 00:10:01 <Popple3> ah, ok
Jun 19 00:10:12 <Popple3> Tibfib: What's the idea?
Jun 19 00:10:27 <Tibfib> I had a few
Jun 19 00:10:39 <Tibfib> I was thinking about removing the height restriction for one
Jun 19 00:10:48 <Tibfib> so sms dashboards can show the whole message
Jun 19 00:11:08 <Tibfib> and then having a reply button and letting you reply in the dashboard
Jun 19 00:11:14 <Popple3> that'd be awesome
Jun 19 00:11:30 <Loudergood> that would be
Jun 19 00:11:32 <Tibfib> thisismynext was talking about that on their podcast
Jun 19 00:11:46 <Tibfib> I just need to simulate texts to get started hah
Jun 19 00:11:53 <Loudergood> all synergy notifications
Jun 19 00:12:03 <Loudergood> we could just mass text you ;)
Jun 19 00:12:10 <Tibfib> hah
Jun 19 00:12:22 <Tibfib> I'm going to use the emulator mostly
Jun 19 00:12:30 <Tibfib> I can text myself through gvoice
Jun 19 00:12:40 <Loudergood> yeah or email
Jun 19 00:13:22 <Loudergood> my mom sends texts via email all the time because she doesn't have a cell phone and that's the only thing my little brother replies to 90% of the time
Jun 19 00:13:24 <Tibfib> that too
Jun 19 00:13:35 <Tibfib> oh does it reply properly?
Jun 19 00:13:38 <Tibfib> I have never tried
Jun 19 00:14:05 <Loudergood> it does
Jun 19 00:14:18 <Loudergood> that actually just gave me an idea..
Jun 19 00:14:20 <Tibfib> interesting
Jun 19 00:15:53 <Loudergood> time to start up my dev phone with no accounts on it and check something out
Jun 19 00:16:49 <PatrickC> Loudergood: Voogle?
Jun 19 00:18:11 <Loudergood> no, I was just wondering if you could set it up to use the sms->email system if you had no email account set up
Jun 19 00:18:25 <Loudergood> corner case I know..
Jun 19 00:18:31 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 19 00:18:44 <PatrickC> I want to use Voogle, but don't feel like buying it haha
Jun 19 00:18:52 <Loudergood> get to work ;)
Jun 19 00:19:36 <PatrickC> hmm.. gives me an idea.. :)
Jun 19 00:19:40 <PatrickC> wanna help?
Jun 19 00:20:50 <Loudergood> I'm barely organized enough to work on my own projects, I'd hate to promise something and fail to deliver
Jun 19 00:29:15 <PatrickC> Adora: when can we expect an Ares Beta?
Jun 19 00:40:22 <PatrickC> hey funkatron
Jun 19 00:40:28 <funkatron> yello
Jun 19 00:40:51 <PatrickC> Spaz HD almost ready?
Jun 19 00:41:16 <Loudergood> ixnay on the enyoay
Jun 19 00:41:20 <funkatron> eh. never happy with it, but it's coming
Jun 19 00:43:35 <Tibfib> ;)
Jun 19 00:47:25 <PatrickC> funkatron, tibfib: quick PM?
Jun 19 00:47:34 <funkatron> sure
Jun 19 00:47:40 <funkatron> wait, you want to PM us both?
Jun 19 00:47:46 <PatrickC> either one
Jun 19 00:47:46 <Tibfib> at THE SAME TIME
Jun 19 00:47:47 <funkatron> just talk to us in #spaz
Jun 19 00:47:59 <Tibfib> yeah, that
Jun 19 00:48:19 <PatrickC> lol ok
Jun 19 00:48:32 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: dude, if you made a free Google Voice app, I'd be all about it
Jun 19 00:49:16 <PatrickC> hehe.. its on the list
Jun 19 01:03:35 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: I'm actually talking with someone on working on making on
Jun 19 01:04:12 <summatusmentis> I mean, I've tried the current free one, but it doesn't allow directly making calls from within the app, it's just an interface for the phone interface
Jun 19 01:04:12 <PatrickC> (maybe not free, but not at the most, $0.99)
Jun 19 01:04:26 <PatrickC> there's a free one?
Jun 19 01:04:27 <PatrickC> name?
Jun 19 01:04:51 <summatusmentis> P2Voice or something like that
Jun 19 01:04:53 <summatusmentis> I don't remember
Jun 19 01:06:30 <PatrickC> hmm. don't see it in preware or catalog
Jun 19 01:08:32 <PatrickC> can I use python on webos?
Jun 19 01:09:32 <Loudergood> theoretically
Jun 19 01:09:41 <Loudergood> python is available in optware
Jun 19 01:09:56 <Loudergood> the hardcore nslu2-linux.org optware
Jun 19 01:09:56 <summatusmentis> P2GoogleVoice
Jun 19 01:10:03 <summatusmentis> that's what it's called
Jun 19 01:10:15 <PatrickC> thanks!
Jun 19 01:10:23 <PatrickC> Loudergood: catalog approved?
Jun 19 01:10:57 <Loudergood> I don't think so
Jun 19 01:11:05 <PatrickC> does the voogle dev hang around?
Jun 19 01:11:07 <Loudergood> you've have to build the libraries into your package
Jun 19 01:18:20 <PatrickC> grrr
Jun 19 01:19:01 * PatrickC kicks Google
Jun 19 01:23:26 <PatrickC> hmm... webos supports node.js ?
Jun 19 01:25:57 <Loudergood> ...
Jun 19 01:26:03 <Loudergood> yes
Jun 19 01:26:50 <PatrickC> ok.. nvm
Jun 19 01:26:52 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: he's been around, maybe cedward<somthingorother>
Jun 19 01:27:15 <Tibfib> voogle guy?
Jun 19 01:27:20 <Tibfib> his name is connorlacombe
Jun 19 01:27:25 <Tibfib> never seen him on irc
Jun 19 01:27:28 <PatrickC> I thought I found a google voice api in node.js, but nvm
Jun 19 01:27:42 <PatrickC> not on atm...
Jun 19 01:27:47 <PatrickC> thanks TibFib
Jun 19 01:28:32 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I've seen him, he said he was the Voogle dev,but I don't remember his nick
Jun 19 01:28:45 <Tibfib> interesting, never seen him
Jun 19 01:28:51 <Tibfib> seen/talked
Jun 19 01:29:09 <PatrickC> I've seen him too
Jun 19 01:29:15 <PatrickC> don't remember his nick
Jun 19 01:30:14 <summatusmentis> mynameisconnor is his nick
Jun 19 01:30:20 <summatusmentis> (irc logs ftw)
Jun 19 01:30:55 <Tibfib> weird, never seen him.. and I've been online for a while
Jun 19 01:31:39 <PatrickC> thx
Jun 19 01:32:29 <summatusmentis> !seen mynameisconnor
Jun 19 01:32:34 <summatusmentis> oh, that won't work
Jun 19 01:32:35 <summatusmentis> hrm
Jun 19 01:32:51 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 19 01:33:16 <Tibfib> never been in webos-internals
Jun 19 01:33:30 <PatrickC> we need infobot in here
Jun 19 01:33:38 <Tibfib> no. we don't
Jun 19 01:33:53 <PatrickC> why not? lol
Jun 19 01:35:31 <rwhitby> cause of what happened last time
Jun 19 01:35:56 * PatrickC wasn't here last time
Jun 19 01:36:01 <PatrickC> and hey rwhitby
Jun 19 01:37:16 <summatusmentis> oh, I was wrong, his nick is mynamesconnnor, and he was last here June 3
Jun 19 01:37:22 <PatrickC> I'm guessing it was bad?
Jun 19 01:50:11 <PatrickC> VERIZON 4 DAY SALE: Palm Pre 2 for $49 (with new activation) @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/verizon-4-day-sale-palm-pre-2-for-49-with-new-activation/
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