**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 23 02:59:56 2011
Jun 23 02:59:57 <Epyon22> whats the deal with ndrive?
Jun 23 03:00:00 <PatrickC> its $39.99
Jun 23 03:00:09 <Epyon22> how do i get it?
Jun 23 03:00:12 <twbbas> Like Android/iOS all have multiple turn-by-turn nav apps
Jun 23 03:00:18 <twbbas> and we only have the carrier ones + nDrive
Jun 23 03:00:33 <twbbas> I guess there are a lot of apps we're missing
Jun 23 03:00:34 <Epyon22> nexus s has the google beta turn by turn one
Jun 23 03:00:43 <Epyon22> its pretty cool
Jun 23 03:00:53 <twbbas> Epyon22: I've never used it but I've heard it's great
Jun 23 03:01:00 <PatrickC> Check out NDrive USA: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ndrive.webosusa&applicationid=8709
Jun 23 03:01:18 <PatrickC> ^^ is the official stable app
Jun 23 03:01:19 <Epyon22> twbbas: yeah worked perfectly my gf just picked up a nexus s.
Jun 23 03:01:31 <PatrickC> http://beta.ndrive.com is the beta, free of charge..
Jun 23 03:02:00 <NuttyBunny> we're missing LOTS of apps: Skype, Webex, TeamViewer, lots of messengers (Kik, Ping, Whatsapp)... and I won't get into the mic ones :P
Jun 23 03:02:04 <Epyon22> so what do you do sign up for the forums and dl?
Jun 23 03:02:08 <PatrickC> Skype is coming
Jun 23 03:02:18 <PatrickC> Epyon22: yeah
Jun 23 03:02:38 <twbbas> Skype's on VZW Pre 2 already, right?
Jun 23 03:02:41 <NuttyBunny> skype my ***  .. I'll believe it when I see a Wifi Call
Jun 23 03:02:47 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: No
Jun 23 03:02:55 <NuttyBunny> just the messaging part
Jun 23 03:02:57 <twbbas> I thought I read it was
Jun 23 03:03:00 <twbbas> ah. That's it
Jun 23 03:03:09 <PatrickC> its coming to the Pre³
Jun 23 03:03:12 <twbbas> Yep
Jun 23 03:03:14 <twbbas> and TP
Jun 23 03:03:16 <Epyon22> android doesnt have the video calls yet
Jun 23 03:03:23 <PatrickC> Evo doea
Jun 23 03:03:24 <twbbas> Really?!?!
Jun 23 03:03:24 <Epyon22> *for skype
Jun 23 03:03:26 <PatrickC> does* iirc
Jun 23 03:03:39 <twbbas> Wow
Jun 23 03:03:40 <Epyon22> well...my gf couldnt find it for her nexus
Jun 23 03:03:47 <twbbas> That's huge
Jun 23 03:03:48 <PatrickC> iPad does.. man I used an iPad tonight at church... amazing....
Jun 23 03:03:51 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: the "phone" part goes through their cell infrastructure and gets processed by their servers, it's NO VoIP
Jun 23 03:04:10 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: we need a FREE google voice app
Jun 23 03:04:12 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Heretic! Don't touch apple stuff! you'll get infected!!
Jun 23 03:04:20 <twbbas> PatrickC: The only time I've used an iPad was at the Apple store and it was for about 60 secs. One thing though... so smooth at scrolling.
Jun 23 03:04:27 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: At least we have a SIP phone :)
Jun 23 03:04:28 <twbbas> webOS needs that kind of scrolling smoothness
Jun 23 03:04:41 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: had to.. needed to use it to play a vid.. :/
Jun 23 03:04:51 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: Sure, make it stop doing things in background and it will become smooth :P
Jun 23 03:04:58 <twbbas> Haha
Jun 23 03:04:59 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 23 03:05:00 <NuttyBunny> brb, gotta make dinner for gf :)
Jun 23 03:05:17 <twbbas> Predictions for 3.0 on Pre 3/Veer/Pre 2?
Jun 23 03:05:22 <twbbas> I'm guessing september/october
Jun 23 03:05:53 <PatrickC> Pre³ will have enyo at launch (or should)
Jun 23 03:06:01 <twbbas> I thought it was shipping with 2.3?
Jun 23 03:06:03 <Epyon22> no they cant do it yet
Jun 23 03:06:15 <PatrickC> Epyon22: why not?
Jun 23 03:06:19 <PatrickC> it ships with 2.2
Jun 23 03:06:28 <Epyon22> someone that worked for palm was on here earlier and enyo is only licened for webos tabliet
Jun 23 03:06:29 <twbbas> I don't think any 2.x has enyo in it though
Jun 23 03:06:54 <PatrickC> singmajesty?
Jun 23 03:07:43 <Epyon22> yeah
Jun 23 03:11:41 <Epyon22> for right now at least
Jun 23 03:12:18 <bnceo> Yup, ENYO is only going on the Tablet for now
Jun 23 03:12:26 <bnceo> Pre3 and Veer will get it later
Jun 23 03:12:44 <bnceo> hopfully, the pace will pick up and bridge the gaps to make the fragmentation short
Jun 23 03:14:04 <Epyon22> if the tablet and pre3 sell well im sure the pace will increase substantally
Jun 23 03:15:31 <bnceo> The key is how app worthy will the Pre3 be at launch. Cause it seems the push for developing is on ENYO and Mojo is forgetten
Jun 23 03:17:26 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 03:22:52 <NuttyBunny> I assume enyo will be in whatever 2.x version come with the Pre3
Jun 23 03:22:58 <NuttyBunny> oops
Jun 23 03:23:10 <NuttyBunny> I didn't say [REDACTED]
Jun 23 03:25:50 <summatusmentis> I... you don't need to say [redacted] if you're just talking about it
Jun 23 03:26:08 <summatusmentis> everyone knows it's there, [redacted] is only for your own apps :)
Jun 23 03:27:48 <Epyon22> does the iphone do dnla video watching?
Jun 23 03:29:40 <summatusmentis> I have no idea, but if so, I'm sure it's apple specific in some way or another
Jun 23 03:30:40 <Epyon22> yeah probably. i know android doesnt do it unless you root the phone.
Jun 23 03:31:07 <Epyon22> maybe ill look into that for webos. might be over my head though
Jun 23 03:43:36 <LoneStar99> http://bobc.in/im/drop/cc/mb/f3co-1
Jun 23 03:53:48 <bnceo> LoneStar99: explain your link
Jun 23 03:55:33 <LoneStar99> bnceo: it was created using my pre
Jun 23 03:56:08 <LoneStar99> it is not a an image but a dynamic representation of a link
Jun 23 03:56:14 <LoneStar99> sorry of an image
Jun 23 03:58:38 <LoneStar99> best viewed with safari, webos device, or opera
Jun 23 04:00:17 <LoneStar99> http://bobc.in/im/drop/cc/mb/7qts-0
Jun 23 04:19:14 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: looks good
Jun 23 04:20:46 <LoneStar99> thanks, gonna release the app tomara, but removed some features until next release
Jun 23 04:23:01 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 23 04:23:04 <PatrickC> how much
Jun 23 04:24:05 <LoneStar99> not sure... but less than 2 bucks...
Jun 23 04:24:29 <PatrickC> open source?
Jun 23 04:24:50 <LoneStar99> what you see in the browser is not an image, but raw data....
Jun 23 04:25:46 <LoneStar99> closed for now, it took me long hours to get all working, the most important feature will come out in 1.0.1, needs further testing...
Jun 23 04:27:04 <LoneStar99> what is drawn on a mobile device  appears in any browser
Jun 23 04:29:49 <PatrickC> awesome!
Jun 23 04:31:49 <LoneStar99> thanks
Jun 23 04:42:59 <PatrickC> http://goaruna.com/r/OOfMFue2oxZ2eA
Jun 23 04:43:48 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: nice app
Jun 23 04:44:32 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: thanks, still working on the UI,
Jun 23 04:47:48 <singmajesty> Hey guys, I know it was an hour and a half ago, but just wanted to clarify for anyone who is still wondering
Jun 23 04:47:56 <singmajesty> Enyo is available now in webOS 3.0, for the tablet
Jun 23 04:48:02 <singmajesty> It will be coming to phones, but not yet
Jun 23 04:48:17 <singmajesty> I'm not sure on the licensing, exactly, but I think packaging it with your application right now is a no-no
Jun 23 04:48:19 <LoneStar99> k thanks singmajesty
Jun 23 04:48:24 <singmajesty> There are plans to bring Enyo to phones
Jun 23 04:48:41 <singmajesty> We need to investigate how far back we can do it, but we'd love to support webOS 1.x and 2.x
Jun 23 04:48:50 <singmajesty> Some of the key factors are how it interacts with, say, core apps
Jun 23 04:49:00 <singmajesty> ...as the core apps in webOS 1.x are obviously different than those in 3.x
Jun 23 04:49:29 <PatrickC> thanks singmajesty
Jun 23 04:49:32 <singmajesty> Nevertheless, we recognize that supporting Enyo across as many devices as possible is a good way to unify the platform
Jun 23 04:49:58 <singmajesty> Which version of webOS you have is slightly irrelevant if we all can use the same apps, and write them the same way
Jun 23 04:50:12 <PatrickC> but, fatpacking is officially supported now?
Jun 23 04:50:15 <singmajesty> Yes
Jun 23 04:50:22 <singmajesty> That doesn't include the framework in the IPK
Jun 23 04:50:52 <singmajesty> We should have our scanner worked out, now, so that it can effectively scan applications with Mojo and Enyo, and allow the minimum required version to be lower than 3.0, even though Enyo code is present
Jun 23 04:51:19 <singmajesty> I'm sure there might be ways to do fat packaging a little more elegantly than the example I posted. For example, a folder for Enyo and a folder for Mojo
Jun 23 04:51:34 <singmajesty> Mojo is a bit picky on its paths, but with experimentation I think a lot of its content could be moved
Jun 23 04:51:35 <PatrickC> that's what I was thinking
Jun 23 04:51:53 <singmajesty> In my testing, using a redirect to a new index HTML seemed the most effective approach, at least for Mojo
Jun 23 04:52:28 <singmajesty> Theoretically, you could link enyo.js, check if Enyo is present, and if so, load your Enyo app, or if it isn't present, redirect to the mojo HTML
Jun 23 04:52:28 <PatrickC> singmajesty: is the touchpad as smooth as the iPad? in your non-bias opinion? :)
Jun 23 04:52:52 <singmajesty> I've had limited experience with the iPad, but in my experience, I have been impressed with the TouchPad
Jun 23 04:53:12 <singmajesty> Occasionally it doesn't run quite as smooth as butter, occasionally, but every update makes that better
Jun 23 04:53:20 <singmajesty> usually those are scenarios where many things are going on
Jun 23 04:53:34 <singmajesty> Its hard to imagine using a tablet without multitasking
Jun 23 04:53:40 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 04:53:51 <singmajesty> I'm also proud of the amount of memory and performance it can push into apps
Jun 23 04:54:01 <PatrickC> and with OC'ing on the horizon... :)
Jun 23 04:54:02 <LoneStar99> nice
Jun 23 04:54:08 <singmajesty> The graphics drivers are pretty new, but each release from Qualcomm seems to make them better
Jun 23 04:54:30 <singmajesty> For example, I heard today that the latest updates to the core OS mean that hybrid apps can render at 60FPS+
Jun 23 04:54:33 <PatrickC> I'm happy about the "no carrier approval for updates" :D
Jun 23 04:55:07 <singmajesty> Which means that doing a PDK game in a hybrid might be a reality in the future, where before (anyone with hybrid experience can attest) there was too large of an overhead
Jun 23 04:55:11 <singmajesty> Me too!
Jun 23 04:55:18 <Tibfib_> well for  a wifi only tablet, I'd hope so
Jun 23 04:55:19 <Tibfib_> :)
Jun 23 04:55:22 <singmajesty> It's also fun to see it on sale at Walmart, Costco, Best Buy...
Jun 23 04:56:00 <singmajesty> I heard that a lot of the 30% developers don't take home from their app sales go to carriers
Jun 23 04:56:06 <PatrickC> Sam's Club
Jun 23 04:56:08 <singmajesty> Wireless carriers are a hard reality
Jun 23 04:56:23 <singmajesty> ...but I'm excited about what the future can hold without them, at least for the time being
Jun 23 04:56:29 <singmajesty> ;)
Jun 23 04:56:36 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 05:04:49 <PatrickC> dkirker: ping
Jun 23 05:04:56 <dkirker> hi
Jun 23 05:16:11 <LoneStar99> more than likely will have to use some C++  code in the future for Webos
Jun 23 05:17:20 <NuttyBunny> And the music begins... my mom playing Dr. Mario
Jun 23 05:18:12 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 23 05:19:51 <LoneStar99> nice
Jun 23 05:21:06 <NuttyBunny> yeah, I showed it to her last week and she's now hooked... she even stopped playing Tetris, Columns and Puzzle Bobble ;)
Jun 23 05:21:31 <Tibfib_> haha
Jun 23 05:29:20 <LoneStar99> wow awesome
Jun 23 05:29:37 <PatrickC> what?
Jun 23 05:32:14 <PatrickC> night everybody
Jun 23 05:33:09 <LoneStar99> laters PatrickC
Jun 23 05:39:08 <rwhitby> singmajesty: what's your wIRC issue?
Jun 23 06:08:21 <rwatkins> just rev'ed appinfo version to 1.0.0 - here we go
Jun 23 06:10:03 <Jake_M> better use that Mojo.appInfo.version
Jun 23 06:10:52 <nohorse> my version is like 0.43 is there some magic to the version numbers.  talking enyo.
Jun 23 06:11:11 <rwatkins> enyo.fetchAppInfo().version
Jun 23 06:11:30 <rwatkins> just a mental commitment that I guess this is the 1.0.0 version.
Jun 23 06:11:35 <Jake_M> oh we're talking enyo
Jun 23 06:11:39 <rwatkins> likely a bad idea to do that at 2am but hey, here goes
Jun 23 06:15:15 <Jake_M> apparently the webos email app does not support <blockquote>
Jun 23 06:15:18 <Jake_M> anyone have a work around?
Jun 23 06:31:26 <Jake_M> scratch that it does
Jun 23 06:31:36 <Jake_M> what the heck it didn't like 10 minutes ago. it just suddenly started working
Jun 23 06:49:49 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 23 06:49:56 <hotdp> Good morning swisstomcat
Jun 23 06:50:01 <swisstomcat> hey hotdp
Jun 23 06:51:52 <Jake_M> best thing to eat at 2:49 AM: hot pockets
Jun 23 06:52:58 <hotdp> hot pockets?
Jun 23 06:53:12 <dwc-> hot d pockets?
Jun 23 06:53:20 <rwatkins> submitted!
Jun 23 06:53:30 <swisstomcat> rwatkins: yay
Jun 23 06:53:49 <rwatkins> woot woot, please let it make it thru and make it into the catalog before the 1st
Jun 23 06:54:00 <Jake_M> adora said submit a week before the touchpad so you should be fine
Jun 23 06:54:14 <hotdp> rwatkins: what kind of app is it?
Jun 23 06:54:31 <rwatkins> Paper Mache - Instapaper for TouchPad
Jun 23 06:54:56 <rwatkins> save article and read them later, offline in a text optimized view
Jun 23 06:55:12 <rwatkins> somewhat like Read It Later or Evernote kinda thing.
Jun 23 06:55:28 <hotdp> i see
Jun 23 06:55:29 <hotdp> paid app?
Jun 23 06:55:32 <rwatkins> free
Jun 23 06:55:44 <swisstomcat> nice, can't wait to test it :)
Jun 23 06:55:49 <rwatkins> Instapaper API is paid - $1/month, but that goes to Marco, not me.
Jun 23 06:57:07 <rwatkins> swisstomcat: cool :)  you do app review @ hp?
Jun 23 06:57:18 <swisstomcat> not officially
Jun 23 06:57:26 <swisstomcat> but i like to see what cool apps are coming out
Jun 23 06:57:33 <Jake_M> webos world will review it for you if you want
Jun 23 06:57:36 <rwatkins> cool, any feedback more than welcome
Jun 23 06:57:40 <swisstomcat> sure
Jun 23 06:57:52 <uncola> swisstomcat, is it true you are jon rubinstein?
Jun 23 06:57:52 <rwatkins> Lisa and Ben have already poked at it a lil.
Jun 23 06:58:10 <swisstomcat> uncola: yes, but don't tell anyone :D
Jun 23 06:59:01 <rwatkins> Jake_M: you mean a review once its up in the catalog and the TP is out?
Jun 23 06:59:29 <rwatkins> So now time to .. I guess go find and fix those bugs, but atleast got a first rev in the review queue.
Jun 23 06:59:33 <dohtem> swisstomcat!!
Jun 23 06:59:46 <Jake_M> i don't know why the NDA is still up like 1 week from touchpad release but i mean i can do it now if you know what i mean
Jun 23 07:00:14 <rwatkins> Jake_M: your in the 3.0 program?
Jun 23 07:00:22 <Jake_M> if i'm allowed to say it, sure
Jun 23 07:00:26 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 23 07:00:52 <Jake_M> i mean obviously i won't post screenshots before the release date but i could obviously have the review out on touchpad shipping day
Jun 23 07:00:58 <rwatkins> shoot me an email - ryan@ryanwatkins.net, luv to have any feedback - might be able to fix things in the next few days for a quick release right after launch.
Jun 23 07:01:01 <Jake_M> obviously
Jun 23 07:01:02 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 23 07:04:08 <Jake_M> hey devs, make sure you check out www.villo.net and see if villo is right for you. especially with this touchpad release coming soon i really want people to extend their reach(especially with the chat function)
Jun 23 07:07:12 <dwc-> "see if villo is right for you?" does it have a long list of unpleasant side effects?
Jun 23 07:07:23 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 23 07:07:32 <Jake_M> no :)
Jun 23 07:07:52 <Jake_M> works with enyo and mojo
Jun 23 07:08:00 <Jake_M> http://villo.net/features.html
Jun 23 07:08:06 <Jake_M> if you don't need those, its not right for you ;D
Jun 23 07:08:32 <Jake_M> i feel like a LOT of people could use at least User Profiles though
Jun 23 07:08:58 <Jake_M> for example, rwatkins could use user profiles and people could share instapapers and share articles they've saved onto their villo profile
Jun 23 07:16:59 <uncola> is it easier to develop for webos than for the blackberry playbook?
Jun 23 07:17:19 <uncola> the playbook has adobe air and uh..  I think that's it.. until the native sdk comes out
Jun 23 07:17:58 <Jake_M> well webOS has Ares, and webOS is basically like making a webOS with custom javascript code
Jun 23 07:18:03 <Jake_M> shit
Jun 23 07:18:06 <Jake_M> making a website
Jun 23 07:18:07 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 23 07:18:17 <uncola> so it's like.. html5 and javascript?
Jun 23 07:19:49 <Jake_M> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/new_to_programming.html
Jun 23 07:20:08 <Jake_M> "At its most basic, programming for the HP webOS platform requires an understanding of HTML and JavaScript, two primary web components. HTML is used to set up the "scenes" that you will see on the screen (which you can think of as being analogous to a web page), and JavaScript is used to control the behavior of those scenes. "
Jun 23 07:20:48 <swisstomcat> yes, it's very easy
Jun 23 07:21:20 <uncola> does webos developing support the <BLINK> tag?
Jun 23 07:21:37 <uncola> because it's not html without <BLINK>
Jun 23 07:21:43 <Jake_M> :|
Jun 23 07:21:45 <Jake_M> um
Jun 23 07:22:26 <Jake_M> just do h4 {text-decoration:blink}
Jun 23 07:22:31 <Jake_M> unless you're sarcastic
Jun 23 07:23:32 <uncola> sarcastic?  ME?  noooooo
Jun 23 07:42:22 <LoneStar99> uploaded my newest app!
Jun 23 07:42:32 <LoneStar99> last mojo app =(
Jun 23 07:45:34 <Jake_M> what is it
Jun 23 07:50:01 <LoneStar99> a preview -->http://bobc.in/im/drop/cc/mb/4vmw-0
Jun 23 07:50:18 <uncola> sweet preview
Jun 23 07:52:42 <LoneStar99> thanks, pretty much what you draw on the mobile device will be viewable on any browser, left some key features out until next release
Jun 23 07:53:18 <Jake_M> wait so
Jun 23 07:53:24 <hotdp> it did not work in ff
Jun 23 07:53:33 <Jake_M> it works in opera and IE
Jun 23 07:53:44 <Jake_M> you draw and it exports as a <canvas>
Jun 23 07:54:19 <LoneStar99> sometimes images do not appear right on FF
Jun 23 07:54:31 <Jake_M> firefox suckssss
Jun 23 07:54:36 <LoneStar99> works well on app browser, opera, safari
Jun 23 07:57:15 <LoneStar99> Jake_M: yeah all canvas
Jun 23 07:57:37 <Jake_M> sweet. my college roommate hates HTML but he's been getting into canvas recently and he has a Pre so i'm gonna tell him about it
Jun 23 07:57:46 <Jake_M> whats it gonna be called? drop?
Jun 23 07:58:26 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 23 07:58:38 <Jake_M> word
Jun 23 08:19:31 <LoneStar99> alright folks GN, see yall in a few hours
Jun 23 11:12:42 <phoque_uni> how do I send notifications from models to assistants when the card is not focussed/maximised?
Jun 23 11:13:28 <phoque_uni> i.e. after a DB has been loaded into a model
Jun 23 11:26:40 <phoque_uni> hrmmm
Jun 23 11:26:50 <phoque_uni> I'm initializing the Model in my AppAssistant
Jun 23 11:26:56 <phoque_uni> is that even the right way?
Jun 23 11:26:57 <phoque_uni> :-D
Jun 23 12:57:49 <scoinvPre> Will WebOS 3.0 ever be available for Pre2?
Jun 23 13:08:24 <Loudergood> it seems likely
Jun 23 13:08:38 <Loudergood> just because it's more powerful than the veer and the veer should get it
Jun 23 13:08:41 <hotdp> i think it says so under productinfo
Jun 23 13:09:41 <aGaTHoS> scoinvPre, webos 3.0 is for tablets
Jun 23 13:10:07 <aGaTHoS> branch 3.x tablets branch 2.x smartphones
Jun 23 13:10:51 <scoinvPre> aGaTHos, that makes sense. Sort of like what Android is doing.
Jun 23 13:11:00 <aGaTHoS> HP has done nothing but copying apples versionning convention
Jun 23 13:11:02 <Loudergood> nah, that's not the case at all
Jun 23 13:11:06 <aGaTHoS> yes android does the same
Jun 23 13:11:28 <scoinvPre> aGatHos, so 2.2 or 2.3 would be the next version.
Jun 23 13:11:57 <Loudergood> the veer has 2.2
Jun 23 13:12:02 <aGaTHoS> I supose
Jun 23 13:12:13 <Loudergood> which adds touch to share
Jun 23 13:12:52 <Loudergood> sorry, 2.1.2
Jun 23 13:12:53 <scoinvPre> I'm frustrated with Verizon & Pre2.
Jun 23 13:13:03 <scoinvPre> It still has 2.0.
Jun 23 13:13:10 <Loudergood> Verizon is a bitch about upgrades I know
Jun 23 13:17:35 <Loudergood> took something like 6 months to offer 1.4.5 on the pre plus
Jun 23 13:19:45 <aGaTHoS> free smartphones! free SO for smartphones! (please dont mention me android ¬¬)
Jun 23 13:46:54 <summatusmentis> uh oh, new dev pricing model means I'm not gonna be able to get something much better than retail, probably
Jun 23 13:46:57 <summatusmentis> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110623005373/en/HP-Announces-webOS-Pivot-HP-TouchPad
Jun 23 13:53:50 <phoque_uni> incredible, how low HP value their name
Jun 23 13:54:13 <phoque_uni> "HP webOS on HP Touchpad, with a HP Case and the HP TouchStone now comes with HP webOS Pivot"
Jun 23 13:54:33 <summatusmentis> what do you mean? it's just branding
Jun 23 13:54:44 <phoque_uni> it's over-branding
Jun 23 13:54:48 <summatusmentis> Apple sells an "Apple remote"
Jun 23 13:55:26 <phoque_uni> but not an Apple iPad with Apple Facetime and Appli iOS and an Apple Retinadisplay
Jun 23 13:55:54 <phoque_uni> oh and soon with Apple iCloud
Jun 23 13:56:08 <phoque_uni> no, it's just an iPad with Facetime, iOS and iCloud
Jun 23 13:56:19 <summatusmentis> true, but Facetime, iOS, and iCloud are all Apple brands too, and they're equivalent to "Apple"
Jun 23 13:56:19 <phoque_uni> granted they're going over the top with the iPrefix
Jun 23 13:56:36 <phoque_uni> so is TouchPad, TouchStone and webOS
Jun 23 13:56:39 <summatusmentis> Apple just makes their product names their brand, whereas HP's brand is HP <some product>
Jun 23 13:56:41 <phoque_uni> why not call it like that
Jun 23 13:57:08 <phoque_uni> yes, and that sounds stupid most of the time
Jun 23 13:58:48 <phoque_uni> similarily, Apple went from the "Apple key" to the "Command key" because it was cluttering their UI with Apples
Jun 23 13:58:51 <summatusmentis> quite frankly, don't really care about what the company that makes the product calls it, I'll call it whatever I want
Jun 23 13:58:59 <summatusmentis> I don't*
Jun 23 13:59:00 <phoque_uni> giving the Apple logo a cheap connotation
Jun 23 14:00:08 <phoque_uni> that's not really a good argument
Jun 23 14:01:28 <summatusmentis> I don't see how a company brands their device as overly important, but I may be an outlier
Jun 23 14:02:09 <phoque_uni> same with the rubberbands they were handing out at the webOS Connect events
Jun 23 14:02:17 <phoque_uni> there was the HP logo and it said "HP webOS"
Jun 23 14:02:26 <phoque_uni> so basically it said "HP HP webOS"
Jun 23 14:03:42 <phoque_uni> maybe a harsh metaphor but it's like a dog peeing all over the place to mark its territorry
Jun 23 14:03:45 <phoque_uni> :-D
Jun 23 14:03:46 <summatusmentis> I have noticed they call it "HP webOS", and not webOS
Jun 23 14:04:43 <summatusmentis> well, but what it means is their brand can go places, if for example, they start licensing webOS, it becomes "Samsung whatever with HP webOS"
Jun 23 14:04:59 <summatusmentis> whereas something like iOS will only ever be apple
Jun 23 14:05:30 <phoque_uni> I didn't say "just call it webOS" but "don't call it HP HP webOS"
Jun 23 14:05:45 <phoque_uni> it's just so... random
Jun 23 14:12:28 <dwc-> Apple also had a small problem in that it had *two* "apple keys"
Jun 23 14:13:29 <Loudergood> that's ok as long as they do the same thing...
Jun 23 14:13:42 <dwc-> they didn't
Jun 23 14:13:56 <summatusmentis> they do now, originally they didn't
Jun 23 14:13:57 <Loudergood> wow
Jun 23 14:14:11 * Loudergood just got his first mac, and already disassembled it
Jun 23 14:15:55 <Loudergood> the way they put those minis together is interesting
Jun 23 14:27:06 <phoque_uni> gnah, this drives me crazy
Jun 23 14:27:28 <phoque_uni> how do I reliably tell my stages/scenes that a model (wich has been defined in the appassistant) has been updated?
Jun 23 14:27:41 <phoque_uni> the notification chain seems to only work when the app is in focus
Jun 23 14:29:40 <PatrickC> morning everybody
Jun 23 14:33:01 <Epyon22> morning
Jun 23 14:33:14 <PatrickC> Epyon22: how's dev going?
Jun 23 14:34:33 <Epyon22> i just woke up but ive been doing this tutorial seems to be pretty good http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-sdk/
Jun 23 14:34:47 <PatrickC> yep
Jun 23 14:34:51 <PatrickC> that's a good tutorial
Jun 23 14:35:27 <Epyon22> i said yes to the early enyo sdk so im just waitin for that to go through also
Jun 23 14:36:29 <rwatkins> 'early' is pretty soon going to be not early.  1 wk away.
Jun 23 14:36:29 <PatrickC> good
Jun 23 14:37:16 <PatrickC> we hope
Jun 23 14:37:20 <Epyon22> lol yeah i know they might be delaying it on purpose
Jun 23 14:39:04 <PatrickC> http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/appblaster-iphone-accessory-lets-you-kick-ar-alien-butt-bubbleg/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
Jun 23 14:39:06 <PatrickC> awesome
Jun 23 14:39:14 <NuttyBunny> 1 week! fsck! I still have to finish my app ;)
Jun 23 14:39:26 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: mee too
Jun 23 14:39:35 <PatrickC> meeeee three
Jun 23 14:39:40 <summatusmentis> and there's no way I'm going to be able to, I don't think
Jun 23 14:40:09 <PatrickC> same here
Jun 23 14:42:33 * rwatkins "finished" last night.
Jun 23 14:42:39 <singmajesty_veer> Nice to see this working!
Jun 23 14:42:59 <rwatkins> meaning create and submitted the 1.0.0 version, but that is always just the signal for the bugs to come out.
Jun 23 14:43:02 <singmajesty_veer> I couldn't use wIRC at all last night :(
Jun 23 14:43:54 <rwatkins> wow, irc on a veer.  wonder if you can even see Patricks url on the screen all at once.
Jun 23 14:44:20 <singmajesty_veer> Hold on... I'm still scrolling to read your message...
Jun 23 14:44:30 <Epyon22> haha
Jun 23 14:44:40 <singmajesty_veer> Got it
Jun 23 14:44:51 <NuttyBunny> wIRC should have zoom in-out for Pixi&Veer ;)
Jun 23 14:44:55 <singmajesty_veer> Don't see the URL. Maybe I need to scroll up
Jun 23 14:45:24 <singmajesty_veer> No, actually it works really nice, it seems
Jun 23 14:45:46 <singmajesty_veer> The font size is a little bit small, but its good. I like it
Jun 23 14:45:47 <oil> singmajesty_veer: what worked, username and pass?
Jun 23 14:45:49 <NuttyBunny> rwatkins: yeah, I might as well call mine 1.0.0 and throw it in the wild, I just have to fix a couple of bugs and it'll be set :)
Jun 23 14:45:56 <singmajesty_veer> WiFi
Jun 23 14:46:01 <oil> aw :/
Jun 23 14:46:03 <NuttyBunny> singmajesty_veer: you can change the font
Jun 23 14:46:19 <singmajesty_veer> I still can't connect over HSPA
Jun 23 14:46:35 <singmajesty_veer> WiFi it can find my hostname, which makes it happy
Jun 23 14:46:52 <Tibfib> that sounds like a personal problem
Jun 23 14:46:53 <singmajesty_veer> Wireless it can't, and I couldn't get it to be happy about ident
Jun 23 14:46:54 <oil> probably at&t mucking it up then :/
Jun 23 14:46:59 <Tibfib> </kids>
Jun 23 14:47:06 <NuttyBunny> we need CAMERA ACCESS!!!  Those AR apps are killing us!!
Jun 23 14:47:43 <singmajesty_veer> I believe camera access is top of the list for new APIs
Jun 23 14:48:05 <singmajesty_veer> Understandably, people want to do their own video chat services and such on the TouchPad
Jun 23 14:48:18 <singmajesty_veer> It does have Skype, though, which is cool
Jun 23 14:48:22 <NuttyBunny>  *yawn* ... camera access has been on the list since ages, as well as mic access
Jun 23 14:49:14 <singmajesty_veer> You can take pictures now, if the user hits the green button, but I think the real problem is that only the Pre 3 has auto focus
Jun 23 14:49:23 <Epyon22> alot of the apps that need mic and cam access are ones that people would go to android and ios for
Jun 23 14:49:46 <singmajesty_veer> I looked into bar codes before, and the pictures seemed like they might have been too blurry
Jun 23 14:50:02 <singmajesty_veer> I thought we had mic access?
Jun 23 14:50:13 <NuttyBunny> singmajesty_veer: Yep, only a handful of qrcodes can be read with the camera
Jun 23 14:50:20 <NuttyBunny> no, no official mic access yet
Jun 23 14:50:41 <singmajesty_veer> I'm talking about streaming video capture, not a single picture
Jun 23 14:51:02 <NuttyBunny> yep, me 2, we need real video processing
Jun 23 14:51:09 <singmajesty_veer> Yeah, aren't there apps like Voices in the official App Catalog, for recording yourself?
Jun 23 14:51:35 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: we have official voice recording
Jun 23 14:51:42 <NuttyBunny> mmm... true, true
Jun 23 14:51:49 <PatrickC> 2+ apps
Jun 23 14:51:49 <singmajesty_veer> I just think it might only be on the web side, not the PDK
Jun 23 14:52:09 <singmajesty_veer> But it does exist :)
Jun 23 14:52:21 <NuttyBunny> singmajesty_veer: yep, that's what my mind might be telling me ;)
Jun 23 14:52:32 <NuttyBunny> brb
Jun 23 14:54:24 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 23 14:54:43 <LoneStar99> NuttyBunny: have you messed with the camera api?
Jun 23 15:00:38 <singmajesty_veer> Morning
Jun 23 15:01:46 <singmajesty_veer> Its fun to use wIRC again on my phone. Pity it doesn't work wirelessly for me yet
Jun 23 15:01:56 <oil> :(
Jun 23 15:02:23 <singmajesty_veer> I don't see it in the catalog for TouchPad, but I'll guess I'll wait until I can test the Enyo version
Jun 23 15:02:56 <singmajesty_veer> I wonder if SSL would make it work?
Jun 23 15:04:04 <oil> the homebrew ipk i sent you supports ssl
Jun 23 15:04:32 <singmajesty_veer> Yeah, I'll give that a test and see
Jun 23 15:05:03 <singmajesty_veer> If it does, we can double check if curl (with openssl) are on the whitelist 95% sure it is now
Jun 23 15:05:06 <Tibfib> hmmmmm I wonder what the enyo catalog looks like
Jun 23 15:05:20 <singmajesty_veer> Its nice
Jun 23 15:05:27 <singmajesty_veer> Pivot is pretty cool
Jun 23 15:05:33 <Tibfib> good to hear
Jun 23 15:05:42 <Tibfib> the 2.0 update to the catalog wasn't a good one
Jun 23 15:05:56 <Tibfib> it made it prettier, but less useful
Jun 23 15:06:23 <Tibfib> hopefully the 3.0 update will fix taht
Jun 23 15:06:27 <singmajesty_veer> If you optimize for TouchPad, it does show "for TouchPad" next to the application, and it gets priority when sorting
Jun 23 15:06:42 <Tibfib> nice
Jun 23 15:06:58 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping the dev pricing has a "at least X amount off if you're part of the dev program" and not completely based on apps in the cataog
Jun 23 15:06:59 <Tibfib> oh, has spaz hd been approved?
Jun 23 15:07:01 <summatusmentis> catalog*
Jun 23 15:07:04 <singmajesty_veer> Pivot is a magazine. That's what you get when you open the catalog
Jun 23 15:07:18 <singmajesty_veer> I see it in the catalog
Jun 23 15:07:22 <Tibfib> sweet
Jun 23 15:07:25 <Tibfib> so it must have been
Jun 23 15:07:39 <Tibfib> funkatron has been travelling, haven't asked
Jun 23 15:07:50 <oil> hopefully not 2.0
Jun 23 15:08:01 * oil can't add a search panel with it
Jun 23 15:08:07 <oil> the keyboard doesnt pop when i hit the textbox
Jun 23 15:08:17 <Tibfib> hmmm?
Jun 23 15:08:32 <oil> 0.2.0*
Jun 23 15:08:47 <Tibfib> oh, this is spaz hd?
Jun 23 15:08:55 <oil> yeah
Jun 23 15:09:00 <Tibfib> search ?
Jun 23 15:09:15 <Tibfib> let's see
Jun 23 15:09:16 <oil> like i try to add another slider thing for a search
Jun 23 15:09:24 <oil> the text box didn't pop the keyboard i couldnt type in it
Jun 23 15:09:25 <Tibfib> we call em columns
Jun 23 15:09:34 <oil> whatever :)
Jun 23 15:09:39 <Tibfib> oil: lemme check it out
Jun 23 15:09:51 * oil goes to work
Jun 23 15:09:56 <Tibfib> we did some stuff to force the keyboard open and closed in teh compose popup, it may have adversely affected the search one
Jun 23 15:10:54 <singmajesty_veer> I think it would be nice if the columns in Spaz looked like the details panel
Jun 23 15:11:38 <singmajesty_veer> The first couple options, for settings, add account, add column, could go to the app menu drop down
Jun 23 15:11:52 <rwhitby> singmajesty_veer: I use wIRC wirelessly all the time with Freenode.
Jun 23 15:12:16 <singmajesty_veer> SSL?
Jun 23 15:12:47 <singmajesty_veer> Freenode is happy when I'm on wifi (like now) because it finds the host name
Jun 23 15:13:02 <rwhitby> singmajesty_veer: wIRC in the app catalog doesn't support SSL
Jun 23 15:13:04 <singmajesty_veer> I'm curious if SSL helps keep it happy
Jun 23 15:13:45 <rwhitby> oh, you mean "cellular" when you say "wirelessly"
Jun 23 15:13:56 <rwhitby> yeah, I connect to freenode over GSM too
Jun 23 15:14:39 <singmajesty_veer> Does it give the "cannot find hostname" message, do you think?
Jun 23 15:14:58 <Tibfib> works here too
Jun 23 15:15:01 <Tibfib> gsm, at&t
Jun 23 15:15:05 <Vyker> just got a pre2 :)
Jun 23 15:15:21 <singmajesty_veer> Seems like that may be based on the setup of the wireless provider, not a function of a cell connection, necessarily
Jun 23 15:15:27 <Vyker> is this the best chan for support on migrating from android to webos?
Jun 23 15:15:34 <singmajesty_veer> Vyker: Do you like it?
Jun 23 15:15:41 <singmajesty_veer> Yeah, absolutely
Jun 23 15:15:43 <summatusmentis> Vyker: what kind of migration?
Jun 23 15:15:45 <Vyker> singmajesty_veer, so far so good :)
Jun 23 15:15:59 <Vyker> summatusmentis, well im pretty webbed into the google ecosystem
Jun 23 15:16:10 <Vyker> so its going to be a challenge to shift over to webos.
Jun 23 15:16:22 <rwhitby> Vyker: just add your google account to the Pre2 and you're done
Jun 23 15:16:31 <summatusmentis> Vyker: Syngergy lets you sync your whole google everything
Jun 23 15:16:34 <singmajesty_veer> You already have your google mail, contacts, calendar, IM plugged in?
Jun 23 15:16:38 <summatusmentis> Synergy*
Jun 23 15:16:38 <rwhitby> don't store anything other than apps in your palm profile
Jun 23 15:17:08 <Vyker> rwhitby, is that set by default?
Jun 23 15:17:34 <Vyker> Google account created :)
Jun 23 15:17:36 <summatusmentis> you might have to set a default to point to Google instead of Palm, but that's one setting
Jun 23 15:17:38 <singmajesty_veer> You can choose, in preferences, the default for say, adding a new calendar item or contact
Jun 23 15:17:42 <Vyker> i hope the google profile contact pics come too.
Jun 23 15:17:48 <summatusmentis> they should
Jun 23 15:18:18 <rwhitby> they do
Jun 23 15:18:20 <summatusmentis> actually, here's a question, do people leave themselves logged in on the google IM on their phone, and on a computer?
Jun 23 15:18:29 <rwhitby> sure
Jun 23 15:18:37 <summatusmentis> do you get messages both places?
Jun 23 15:18:41 <summatusmentis> mine seems to route to one or the other
Jun 23 15:19:34 <Tibfib> oil: works here
Jun 23 15:20:11 <Vyker> wow, it worked, contact pics arrived :)
Jun 23 15:20:21 <rwhitby> I get first message on both, then conversation on one only.  then after it's been idle for a while, new messages go to both
Jun 23 15:20:46 <rwhitby> it seems to work quite intuitively for me
Jun 23 15:20:46 <summatusmentis> hrm, interesting
Jun 23 15:20:56 <summatusmentis> maybe I'm missing something
Jun 23 15:21:26 <Vyker> so where was this setting to store details on my google account and not on my palm profile?
Jun 23 15:21:50 <rwhitby> in the contact app
Jun 23 15:22:05 <rwhitby> it has likely done it automatically
Jun 23 15:22:15 <summatusmentis> will that change it system-wide? or that app specific?
Jun 23 15:23:19 <rwhitby> that's the only place where contacts can go to the palm profile
Jun 23 15:23:26 <summatusmentis> oh, contacts, yes
Jun 23 15:23:34 <singmajesty> You can set the default in calendar as well
Jun 23 15:23:35 <summatusmentis> but for calendar, that's in calendar app, and so forth
Jun 23 15:23:40 <singmajesty> Right
Jun 23 15:24:01 <singmajesty> Okay, SSL didn't do it, so perhaps I uniquely have trouble on AT&T
Jun 23 15:24:03 <summatusmentis> it's been so long since I've setup a new device
Jun 23 15:24:16 <summatusmentis> TP will likely be my next one
Jun 23 15:24:22 <singmajesty> ...or maybe its just an issue of ident
Jun 23 15:24:47 <singmajesty> summatusmentis: Use a doctor, and then you can have that "fresh device feeling" regularly ;)
Jun 23 15:24:59 <summatusmentis> there were discussions here about using OG devices w/ the TP messaging/calling sync stuff, did we ever decide on if they work or not?
Jun 23 15:25:12 <singmajesty> OG?
Jun 23 15:25:19 <summatusmentis> original gangsta
Jun 23 15:25:26 <singmajesty> Ah ;)
Jun 23 15:25:28 <summatusmentis> (term I picked up from sugardave)
Jun 23 15:25:39 <singmajesty> sugardave said it worked on his phone, 1.4.5
Jun 23 15:25:43 <summatusmentis> neat
Jun 23 15:25:54 <singmajesty> Not touch-to-share, but the other stuff
Jun 23 15:26:02 <rwhitby> if it's just a bluetooth headset profile, it should work with any phone
Jun 23 15:26:14 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: I try not to doctor, 2.1 on my OG pre gets really sad when I try to re-sync Synergy profiles
Jun 23 15:26:26 <summatusmentis> right, I wasn't expecting touch-to-share
Jun 23 15:26:29 <sugardave> whoa, what did I say?
Jun 23 15:26:37 <Tibfib> :( these screenshots look awful: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.funkatron.app.spaz-hd
Jun 23 15:26:38 <sugardave> oh yeah
Jun 23 15:26:42 <singmajesty> That the TouchPad sync stuff worked
Jun 23 15:26:45 <summatusmentis> but the messaging sharing is something I'm really excited about
Jun 23 15:26:53 <sugardave> I can pair the Pre - with the TouchPad and make calls
Jun 23 15:26:54 <summatusmentis> (I text way too frequently)
Jun 23 15:27:08 <Tibfib> me too!
Jun 23 15:27:17 <Tibfib> text sync is gonna be sweeeeet
Jun 23 15:27:55 <singmajesty> Tibfib: Have you guys considered making the "Home", "Mentions", "Messages", etc. windows look like the details panel?
Jun 23 15:28:09 <Tibfib> yes
Jun 23 15:28:10 <rwhitby> sugardave: try it with some other non-webOS phone that supports bluetooth headsets
Jun 23 15:28:12 <singmajesty> I think it would be great if they all looked that way
Jun 23 15:28:14 <Tibfib> we won't do that
Jun 23 15:28:29 <sugardave> rwhitby: that doesn't work...tried my wife's Katana
Jun 23 15:28:31 <singmajesty> Not really the plan? :)
Jun 23 15:28:41 <Tibfib> singmajesty: they server different purposes
Jun 23 15:28:47 <Tibfib> columns are there and are supposed to stay there
Jun 23 15:28:54 <Tibfib> the detail views are temporary
Jun 23 15:29:03 <sugardave> rwhitby: let me rephrase...I was unable to make it work
Jun 23 15:29:08 <singmajesty> It just... looks... pretty...
Jun 23 15:29:45 <sugardave> rwhitby: but I think I was trying to pair it from th TouchPad rather than using the Katana to discover the TouchPad
Jun 23 15:34:26 <summatusmentis> guh, I really need to move the govnah icon away from the clock icon, I see "circle" and just tap it
Jun 23 15:37:04 <sugardave> MUAHahahahaha....got a new toy :D
Jun 23 15:37:11 <sugardave> it's charging now
Jun 23 15:37:54 <Tibfib> :O
Jun 23 15:38:01 <Vyker> im not sure i like this.... :/
Jun 23 15:38:15 <Vyker> so many features and tools im going to miss out on from my android phone.
Jun 23 15:38:34 <Vyker> all my SMS currently is auto backed up to my Gmail account under the label SMS.
Jun 23 15:38:57 <Vyker> this was useful, as it stored my SMS in the cloud. so if i was to ever lose my phone, all is well.
Jun 23 15:39:07 <Vyker> with the pre2, im back to device storage :/
Jun 23 15:39:29 <Vyker> also, all my chrome to phone tools, i cant imagine webos have alternatives for them
Jun 23 15:39:38 <sugardave> I think there are homebrew patches that deal with that very situation
Jun 23 15:39:43 <Vyker> I was sending SMS from my chrome browser and sending links from my browser to my phone.
Jun 23 15:39:57 <sugardave> SMS backup, I mean
Jun 23 15:40:08 <Vyker> sugardave, interesting.... whats it called?
Jun 23 15:40:41 <rwhitby> Vyker: you want the Neato! app
Jun 23 15:40:46 <sugardave> Vyker: no clue, I don't really do a lot of patching
Jun 23 15:40:54 <sugardave> oh, there you go
Jun 23 15:40:57 <sugardave> rwhitby is the man
Jun 23 15:41:03 <rwhitby> and in 2.1 I believe SMS messages are stored in the backup in the palm profile
Jun 23 15:41:52 * rwhitby bbt - night all
Jun 23 15:42:09 <sugardave> night rwhitby, I'll try my wife's phone again when I get a hold of it
Jun 23 15:42:24 <Vyker> thanks rwhitby,
Jun 23 15:44:37 <HattCzech_work> anyone know the proper way to play a sound on an html5 webkit browser?
Jun 23 15:44:55 <HattCzech_work> i was under the impression that mp3 would work, but it does not play the sound
Jun 23 15:45:14 <Vyker> sweet, neato is cool
Jun 23 15:45:32 <sugardave> <audio src="blah.mp3"></audio>    audioElement.play();  (I've left out some steps)
Jun 23 15:45:40 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: ^^
Jun 23 15:45:53 <HattCzech_work> hmmm
Jun 23 15:46:01 <NuttyBunny> Vyker: neato is neat
Jun 23 15:46:14 * PatrickC hasn't bought neato yet
Jun 23 15:46:47 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: that's what i've tried... it doesn't play
Jun 23 15:46:55 <sugardave> :/
Jun 23 15:47:02 <HattCzech_work> i've even checked canPlayType('audio/mpeg') and it says 'maybe'
Jun 23 15:47:10 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 23 15:47:11 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 23 15:47:12 <HattCzech_work> but the play just doesn't do it
Jun 23 15:47:16 <sugardave> that's committment, right there
Jun 23 15:47:17 <HattCzech_work> works in chrome fine
Jun 23 15:47:22 <HattCzech_work> hahaha
Jun 23 15:47:58 <sugardave> if you're using [redacted] have you looked at the wrapper?
Jun 23 15:48:03 <Vyker> preware = free apps?
Jun 23 15:48:12 <sugardave> Vyker: yep
Jun 23 15:48:27 <Vyker> neato on preware?
Jun 23 15:48:31 <HattCzech_work> i'm not using [redacted], i'm just trying a dead simple html page
Jun 23 15:48:32 <PatrickC> Vyker: free *awesome, not catalog approved* apps
Jun 23 15:48:44 <sugardave> Vyker: it's for stuff that's not in the catalog
Jun 23 15:48:53 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: #html5 iirc
Jun 23 15:49:05 <HattCzech_work> i'll shout it out there, thanks
Jun 23 15:49:15 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: wait, it works in chrome?  what browser is it not working in?
Jun 23 15:49:29 <sugardave> our webkit?
Jun 23 15:49:50 <Vyker> i see, thanks PatrickC, sugardave
Jun 23 15:49:55 <sugardave> np
Jun 23 15:50:20 <sugardave> Vyker: also, #webos-internals is the place to discuss Preware and patches and kernel hacking, etc.
Jun 23 15:50:26 <sugardave> fyi
Jun 23 15:50:32 <Vyker> thanks. noted.
Jun 23 15:50:43 <Vyker> so i should try there to get tips on how to install preware?
Jun 23 15:51:10 <sugardave> go to webos-internals.org wiki...and then follow the Preware links
Jun 23 15:51:25 <Vyker> good man, thanks again mate.
Jun 23 15:51:30 <sugardave> past that, if you have problems, then yeah ask in #webos-internals
Jun 23 15:51:32 <PatrickC> http://install.preware.org
Jun 23 15:51:39 <HattCzech_work> yeah, webkit
Jun 23 15:51:55 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: that's unfortunate...a Pre 2?
Jun 23 15:52:07 <HattCzech_work> currently, on a nexus
Jun 23 15:52:14 <sugardave> OHHHH
Jun 23 15:52:24 <sugardave> yay, it's not our problem ;)
Jun 23 15:52:29 <HattCzech_work> can't test on my pre2 because i can't get to invalid https sites
Jun 23 15:52:33 <PatrickC> BOOOO ANDROID :)
Jun 23 15:52:44 <HattCzech_work> (where the certificates don't match or whatever)
Jun 23 15:52:47 <Vyker> wow, 4 different ways to install it :/
Jun 23 15:52:50 <HattCzech_work> does anyone know a way around that?
Jun 23 15:52:56 <Epyon22> lol androids arnt allowed here :-P
Jun 23 15:53:04 <PatrickC> Vyker: palm-install is the easiest was imho
Jun 23 15:53:19 <PatrickC> Epyon22: YES!! :)
Jun 23 15:53:22 <Vyker> PatrickC, this one? Installing Preware using the Official HP/Palm SDK
Jun 23 15:53:22 <HattCzech_work> hahaah, i don't use it, just using my co-worker's phone because i can't access the page
Jun 23 15:53:26 <sugardave> Vyker: I think rwhitby recommends the .ipk way.  But I usually ssh into the phone and run the commands
Jun 23 15:53:32 <PatrickC> Vyker: yes
Jun 23 15:53:46 <Epyon22> Vyker: webos quick install is pretty simple now
Jun 23 15:54:05 <Epyon22> were just going to confuse him
Jun 23 15:54:12 <PatrickC> Vyker: that is the simplest way that I know of.. SSH'ing into it is a little harder
Jun 23 15:54:20 <Vyker> lol, not confused just yet...
Jun 23 15:54:21 <sugardave> he gets the same treatment as everyone else!
Jun 23 15:54:31 <Vyker> i think i like the webos quick install.
Jun 23 15:54:34 <PatrickC> *yet* we aren't working hard enough :P
Jun 23 15:54:40 <PatrickC> Vyker: what device?
Jun 23 15:54:42 <Vyker> pre2
Jun 23 15:55:00 <sugardave> I wonder how long I need to charge the mini-precious before I can flash it
Jun 23 15:55:13 <PatrickC> hmm... I don't think webosqi worked for either of my pre2's
Jun 23 15:55:23 <PatrickC> mini-precious? lol
Jun 23 15:55:36 <Vyker> oh, its device specific :/
Jun 23 15:55:48 <Epyon22> PatrickC: how long ago? they have fixed alot of the driver issues
Jun 23 15:56:05 <PatrickC> Epyon22: a while ago
Jun 23 15:56:16 <PatrickC> but I believe that palm-install is the safest way..
Jun 23 15:56:28 <PatrickC> Vyker: are you gonna do web dev?
Jun 23 15:57:00 <Vyker> web developer mode?
Jun 23 15:57:12 <Vyker> or you mean general web dev?
Jun 23 15:57:17 <PatrickC> like develop apps?
Jun 23 15:57:32 <Vyker> might do... started on one before i got the pre, but got lost a bit, and stalled.
Jun 23 15:57:37 <Vyker> but the ambition is there, sorta
Jun 23 15:58:14 <Epyon22> lol i know how you feel
Jun 23 15:58:25 <Vyker> developer mode on :) that was pretty easy
Jun 23 15:58:31 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 23 15:58:36 <sugardave> yeah, our OS kicks ass
Jun 23 15:59:20 <Epyon22> way ez'er than rooting a droid
Jun 23 16:00:06 * Vyker clicked on just charge for step3 of the webosqi
Jun 23 16:00:14 <sugardave> yep
Jun 23 16:01:08 <Vyker> humm .jar files arent opening :/
Jun 23 16:01:28 <Epyon22> got java installed?
Jun 23 16:01:46 <Vyker> yeah, think my fta is a little confused
Jun 23 16:02:24 <Epyon22> fta? you on windows or linux
Jun 23 16:02:32 <PatrickC> java -version
Jun 23 16:02:34 <Vyker> file type association, windows.
Jun 23 16:04:00 <Vyker> cant think how to open it :/
Jun 23 16:04:38 <PatrickC> right click -» open with » java?
Jun 23 16:04:44 <cwayne> step 1: uninstall windows.
Jun 23 16:04:52 <cwayne> lols
Jun 23 16:05:01 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 23 16:05:11 <PatrickC> step 1: use WUBI
Jun 23 16:05:13 <Vyker> says "could not find main class, will exit"
Jun 23 16:05:32 <PatrickC> re-install java.. I think?
Jun 23 16:06:01 <sugardave> grab the sdk, plam-package prewareblahblah.ipk
Jun 23 16:06:05 <sugardave> er, palm-install
Jun 23 16:06:07 <Epyon22> get the most updaged version of java
Jun 23 16:06:10 <PatrickC> yay!! another wircer :)
Jun 23 16:06:39 <PatrickC> Vyker: sugardave's right.. sdk is easiest..
Jun 23 16:06:47 <Vyker> sdk is the 200mb download?
Jun 23 16:07:05 <sugardave> yeah, but you will still need a working Java for it
Jun 23 16:07:50 <PatrickC> Vyker: yeah, its worth it though
Jun 23 16:08:01 <Vyker> java version "1.6.0_14"
Jun 23 16:08:01 <Vyker> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_14-b08)
Jun 23 16:08:01 <Vyker> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode)
Jun 23 16:08:17 <sugardave> word
Jun 23 16:09:07 <Vyker> managed to get qi running
Jun 23 16:09:16 <Vyker> though also downloading the 200mb, no harm in using both?
Jun 23 16:09:27 <sugardave> nope
Jun 23 16:09:32 <singmajesty> If you are interested in doing any development or probing on your device, the SDK is very useful
Jun 23 16:09:41 <singmajesty> palm-package, palm-install, palm-launch
Jun 23 16:09:44 <singmajesty> novaterm
Jun 23 16:09:47 <sugardave> palm-log
Jun 23 16:09:50 <Loudergood> that is an oooold java install
Jun 23 16:10:15 <Epyon22> oh yeah they are on 1.6.0_23 now arnt they
Jun 23 16:10:22 <singmajesty> Preware opens the phone up for patches, overclocking, tethering, etc.
Jun 23 16:10:26 <Loudergood> 26
Jun 23 16:10:46 <singmajesty> The App Catalog has a lot of applications that work fine without extending past the traditional app sandbox
Jun 23 16:10:50 <Epyon22> hmm i need to update
Jun 23 16:11:02 <singmajesty> That's the big difference between the official catalog and homebrew
Jun 23 16:11:52 <Vyker> interesting singmajesty
Jun 23 16:12:07 <Vyker> being techie at heart, i think i like the idea of more than the basics :P
Jun 23 16:12:32 <Vyker> sweet
Jun 23 16:12:34 <Vyker> preware installed :)
Jun 23 16:12:42 <Epyon22> you'll enjoy what preware offers then very satisfying for a techie
Jun 23 16:15:21 <Vyker> just downloaded an ipk.... how do you go about installing it? or rather, what methods do you use to get the ipk to the phone from the pc?
Jun 23 16:15:58 <Bradmeister1> with wosqi? or with the sdk?
Jun 23 16:16:13 <Vyker> wosqi
Jun 23 16:17:33 <Bradmeister1> I think there is a + button which will let you select which ipk you would like to install.
Jun 23 16:17:49 <chuqui> el morning-o
Jun 23 16:18:03 <phoque_uni> morning chuqui
Jun 23 16:18:36 <phoque_uni> Doesnt WOSQI just let you customize what settings you want and then wipes your device to doctor webOS with all the customizations?
Jun 23 16:18:37 <Vyker> Bradmeister1, yes, correct, found it, installed
Jun 23 16:19:21 <Epyon22> phoque_uni: no it lets you install ipk's and also install any thing from the feeds from the pc
Jun 23 16:19:30 <phoque_uni> ah I see
Jun 23 16:21:15 <PatrickC> hey chuqui
Jun 23 16:22:14 <PatrickC> phoque_uni: you are thinking of a meta-doctor?
Jun 23 16:22:19 <chuqui> PatrickC:  hey
Jun 23 16:22:20 <phoque_uni> no
Jun 23 16:22:35 <phoque_uni> I thought Quickinstall was sort of like meta-doctor
Jun 23 16:22:38 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 23 16:22:45 <PatrickC> how's it goin chuqui?
Jun 23 16:22:55 <phoque_uni> maybe because in the first few lines it says "don't start webOSDoctor or it'll wipe your device"
Jun 23 16:23:05 <phoque_uni> that sounded like "we're gonna doctor the device along the road"
Jun 23 16:23:17 <PatrickC> kinda.. yeah
Jun 23 16:23:23 <PatrickC> halfhalo has power again?
Jun 23 16:23:39 <chuqui> not bad. just going through email (as usual)
Jun 23 16:23:47 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 23 16:25:01 <sugardave> Vyker: you can let preware be the default handler for .ipk mime types, and then just email them to yourself
Jun 23 16:25:08 <sugardave> tap link, done
Jun 23 16:25:34 <Vyker> i think i set it so on install, not sure where id go if i wanted to change it later though
Jun 23 16:25:57 <sugardave> somewhere in Preware preferences (swipe down about the upper-left corner app menu)
Jun 23 16:26:16 <sugardave> or tap the app name whichever
Jun 23 16:31:19 <PatrickC> how hard would it be to make a third party email client?
Jun 23 16:32:30 <PatrickC> id make it but I have too many apps on my plate already haha
Jun 23 16:39:20 <sugardave> free TouchPad case with pre-order from Costco: http://www.costco.com/Common/Search.aspx?whse=BC&topnav=&search=Touchpad0622&N=0&Ntt=Touchpad0622&ec=1&cm_mmc=FlashQuad-_-Homepage-_-2-_-MarketingItem
Jun 23 16:39:30 <sugardave> ooops
Jun 23 16:39:49 <sugardave> should have bit.ly'd that
Jun 23 16:39:53 <sugardave> oh well, I'm lazy
Jun 23 16:40:33 <dohtem> Damn, everybody is selling TouchPads.
Jun 23 16:40:35 <dohtem> win!
Jun 23 16:40:41 <sugardave> yay!
Jun 23 16:41:36 <LoneStar99> nice
Jun 23 16:42:26 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: any feedback from the e-mail i sent you?
Jun 23 16:52:02 <Draecos> hello.... is the TP supposed to launch with 15,000 Apps?
Jun 23 16:52:13 <PatrickC> huh? who said that?
Jun 23 16:52:22 <Draecos> carphone warehouse
Jun 23 16:52:27 <Draecos> sec will screen shot
Jun 23 16:52:27 <PatrickC> that's like 3 times the amount of apps we have over 5 phones..
Jun 23 16:52:42 <Draecos> yep
Jun 23 16:52:45 <Draecos> 2 secs
Jun 23 16:57:23 <Draecos> http://i.imgur.com/kKuEV.png
Jun 23 16:57:25 <Draecos> PatrickC,
Jun 23 16:57:51 <Draecos> chuqui, how true is that screenshot?
Jun 23 16:58:36 <LoneStar99> all i know ff5 has a faster canvas rendering engine, but it is so freaking slow compared with safari (win7)
Jun 23 16:58:54 <twbbas> I use chrome because it starts up instantly
Jun 23 16:58:58 <PatrickC> huh..
Jun 23 16:59:15 <dohtem> whoa..
Jun 23 16:59:22 <dohtem> Safari for PC?
Jun 23 16:59:31 <dohtem> how long has this been going on?
Jun 23 16:59:39 <PatrickC> a while
Jun 23 16:59:44 <Bradmeister1> ages
Jun 23 16:59:49 <summatusmentis> since iTunes 9, at least?
Jun 23 17:00:13 <Draecos> lol thats the first time ive used imgur
Jun 23 17:00:13 <phoque_uni> Draecos, couldn't you have just sent the URL?
Jun 23 17:00:19 <Draecos> i can too
Jun 23 17:00:21 <Draecos> sec
Jun 23 17:00:25 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 23 17:00:28 <dohtem> whoosh!
Jun 23 17:00:30 <Draecos> http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/ipad-and-tablets/hp-touchpad#
Jun 23 17:00:39 <Draecos> i was showing you what i meant!
Jun 23 17:00:54 <Draecos> cos the next question would be "where does it say 15,000 apps..."
Jun 23 17:01:37 <LoneStar99> dohtem: yeah safari and opera rock on canvas where FF5 lags bad
Jun 23 17:01:40 <Bradmeister1> maybe the intention was 5000?
Jun 23 17:01:49 <Draecos> maybe
Jun 23 17:01:51 <PatrickC> grr.. I need an email list app for 2.1 ...
Jun 23 17:01:57 <Draecos> screwup if it was Bradmeister1
Jun 23 17:02:15 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 23 17:02:35 <Draecos> got all excited
Jun 23 17:02:50 <Bradmeister1> 15000 almost sounds like overkill for launch.
Jun 23 17:03:05 <LoneStar99> yeah i am assuming 5,000 or less
Jun 23 17:03:28 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 17:03:31 <LoneStar99> i would say probably realistically 1,000+ TP apps at launch
Jun 23 17:03:34 <Draecos> tweeted it to adora, chuq and kerris
Jun 23 17:03:59 <Draecos> see what they say
Jun 23 17:04:07 <LoneStar99> there are only 6,700+ apps in the total DB as of a few weeks ago
Jun 23 17:04:31 <PatrickC> lets hope thos app works..
Jun 23 17:05:38 <Draecos> oo
Jun 23 17:05:47 <Draecos> Dixons have the 32gb tp
Jun 23 17:05:51 <Draecos> delivery for 15/07
Jun 23 17:07:56 <Bradmeister1> did anyone pre order from amazon?
Jun 23 17:08:24 <PatrickC> nope.. app not 2.1 compatible..
Jun 23 17:08:58 <Bradmeister1> my estimated delivery date is the 5th of july...
Jun 23 17:09:44 <Bradmeister1> what isn't 2.1 compatible?
Jun 23 17:09:59 <PatrickC> cannot send to com.palm.contacts
Jun 23 17:10:09 <PatrickC> [2011-06-23 17:02:00] (Mail Lists Lite) Error: Not permitted to send to com.palm.accounts.
Jun 23 17:12:05 <PatrickC> and this next app works.. for 5 address' only.. :/
Jun 23 17:17:38 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 23 17:25:05 <rwatkins> so app status in the portal of "Published" means .. live?
Jun 23 17:27:04 <sugardave> I think so
Jun 23 17:27:53 <PatrickC> anyone know of a good way to make a email list?
Jun 23 17:28:32 <sugardave> rwatkins: I have it on good authority that published === live
Jun 23 17:29:16 <rwatkins> wow.  Palm Dev Relations and App Review team  -- You ROCK!
Jun 23 17:29:34 <rwatkins> submitted -> live less than 12 hrs, and likely alot less since this was the first time I checked.
Jun 23 17:29:39 <sugardave> nice
Jun 23 17:29:40 <chuqui> PatrickC:  what kind of email list are you trying to build?
Jun 23 17:30:05 <PatrickC> I have a beta team, and don't want to have to type each contact from my phone to email them all
Jun 23 17:30:13 <PatrickC> there's ~10 of them
Jun 23 17:30:58 <singmajesty> What's the app?
Jun 23 17:30:58 <rwatkins> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache
Jun 23 17:31:09 <rwatkins> now to go read up on how to get newlines in my description ...
Jun 23 17:31:30 <sugardave> singmajesty: it's an Instapaper client
Jun 23 17:31:36 <PatrickC> hrmm.. this might work: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-tips-information-resources/194061-tip-how-create-group-email-list-i-e-1-click-email-multiple-people.html
Jun 23 17:31:51 <PatrickC> singmajesty: get the email? my phone has been acting up..
Jun 23 17:32:37 <rwatkins> fairly well impressed with that quick review proceess.  I guess i feared because you usually just hear when it fails.
Jun 23 17:32:48 <sugardave> haha
Jun 23 17:33:08 <phoque_uni> 12 hours?
Jun 23 17:33:10 <phoque_uni> wow
Jun 23 17:33:28 <rwatkins> less than.  submitted after 2am-ish.
Jun 23 17:33:42 <rwatkins> and this was the first time I checked, so who knows .. coulda been 2 hrs.
Jun 23 17:33:48 <phoque_uni> hmm mine's still "ready for review"
Jun 23 17:34:18 <rwatkins> i do nothing particularly tricky - no service, or pdk or funky packaging or anything.
Jun 23 17:35:01 <singmajesty> PatrickC: I got the one earlier, about support
Jun 23 17:35:15 <PatrickC> singmajesty: good. that's the one
Jun 23 17:35:29 <singmajesty> funky packaging. We should use that as the term instead of fat packaging
Jun 23 17:35:36 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 23 17:35:41 <singmajesty> Use a funky package to get Enyo and Mojo in the same IPK
Jun 23 17:35:42 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 23 17:35:58 <singmajesty> OG packaging?
Jun 23 17:36:12 <singmajesty> Packaging for TouchPads and for gangsters
Jun 23 17:36:19 <sugardave> I always thought "fat packaging" was a bit of a misnomer...it's really "fat architecting"
Jun 23 17:36:21 <singmajesty> (Enyo + Mojo)
Jun 23 17:36:36 <PatrickC> Enjo Packaging
Jun 23 17:36:42 <singmajesty> "statistically large" packaging
Jun 23 17:37:03 <PatrickC> I still like Enjo Packaging
Jun 23 17:37:06 <sugardave> I've got an Enjo directory
Jun 23 17:37:17 <summatusmentis> this PatrickC MoEnjoyo Packaging
Jun 23 17:37:22 <dohtem> rwatkins: paper mache looks good
Jun 23 17:37:25 <summatusmentis> err....
Jun 23 17:37:26 <sugardave> EnjoMoyo
Jun 23 17:37:27 <singmajesty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYEUFwJXVvw
Jun 23 17:37:37 <singmajesty> (Packaging)
Jun 23 17:37:43 <summatusmentis> sugardave: Mo' Enjoy-o
Jun 23 17:37:51 <sugardave> hehehe
Jun 23 17:37:53 <rwatkins> dohtem: thx, there are some UX issues I need to work on but its a decent first cut
Jun 23 17:37:53 <PatrickC> jaha
Jun 23 17:38:28 <PatrickC> Moyo Packaging
Jun 23 17:38:30 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping to get my app to place where I can publish it this weekend, but I doubt that
Jun 23 17:38:31 <singmajesty> "That's pretty good packing"
Jun 23 17:38:38 <PatrickC> Enjo Face Packaging
Jun 23 17:38:40 <rwatkins> Moyo > Enjo
Jun 23 17:38:44 <singmajesty> "My grandfather once packed himself into a bucket. That's pretty good packing too"
Jun 23 17:38:54 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 23 17:38:54 <sugardave> lol
Jun 23 17:39:27 <rwatkins> with that kinda turn around time I guess I have room for 7 more releases before launch  :)
Jun 23 17:39:39 <summatusmentis> so, they're reporting that HP employees get 20% of TP. Any HP employees wanna buy me one and I'll reimburse them?
Jun 23 17:40:17 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 23 17:40:54 <Epyon22> hp should do a groupbuy
Jun 23 17:41:19 <summatusmentis> or they should hire me
Jun 23 17:41:20 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 23 17:43:03 <sugardave> I haven't even looked into employee discounts yet, but I think we are limited in the numbers we can purchase
Jun 23 17:43:14 <summatusmentis> oh, that's probably true
Jun 23 17:43:35 <rwatkins> MSFT did it by a dollar limit for stuff from the company store.
Jun 23 17:44:01 <rwatkins> Get a job and then buy all your friends copies of Visual Studio for ~$40
Jun 23 17:44:23 <rwatkins> till you hit the limit of like $500 or something.
Jun 23 17:46:15 <Loudergood> otherwise you'd start a side business "HPEmployee" on Ebay
Jun 23 17:46:40 <rwatkins> policy usually also says you can only gift purchases, not sell them.
Jun 23 17:47:05 <Tibfib> then you can gift them back $$
Jun 23 17:47:10 * Tibfib kids
Jun 23 17:47:23 <rwatkins> i'm sure a judge would have an interesting view on that.
Jun 23 17:47:33 <PatrickC> is there anyway you can request a read receipt on webos?
Jun 23 17:47:49 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 23 17:48:29 <Tibfib> PatrickC: what do you mean?
Jun 23 17:49:39 <PatrickC> The recipient has to click a button in order to read the email, and by clicking the button it sends the original sender an email saying that the email was read.. that make sense?
Jun 23 17:50:11 <Tibfib> umm, I don't think that's supported
Jun 23 17:51:41 <PatrickC> man.. I wish I could find a good free *working* group email app... :/,
Jun 23 17:51:52 * rwatkins *always* ignores read recipts.
Jun 23 17:52:02 <sugardave> keep 'em guessing
Jun 23 17:52:06 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 23 17:52:24 <rwatkins> the kinda people that flag em that way are the kinda people that I dont need knowing what I read.
Jun 23 17:52:50 <Tibfib> I have never used read receipts for email, ever
Jun 23 17:54:28 <Tibfib> "Complete details about the updated developer programs will be available on the HP webOS Developer Portal beginning July 1."
Jun 23 17:54:29 <Tibfib> ugh.
Jun 23 17:54:34 <Loudergood> yeah I always hit ignore
Jun 23 17:54:45 <Tibfib> oh wait. That might not be for dev discounts
Jun 23 17:54:53 <sugardave> updated developer programs?  sounds exciting
Jun 23 17:55:16 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 17:55:26 <PatrickC> singmajesty: what should we expect? :)
Jun 23 17:55:27 <Loudergood> $5 says NDA lifted on 3.0SDK
Jun 23 17:55:27 <summatusmentis> quite frankly, it's not your business if I've read your email or not
Jun 23 17:55:39 <summatusmentis> sugardave: exciting, except for those of us who haven't published any apps
Jun 23 17:55:48 <summatusmentis> then it just sounds like we won't get discounts
Jun 23 17:56:02 <Tibfib> oh, no that does include dev discounts
Jun 23 17:56:05 <Loudergood> summatusmentis: get to work on that fart app then ;)
Jun 23 17:56:11 <Tibfib> I've been a dev a long time.. but have two apps in the catalog
Jun 23 17:56:23 <Tibfib> It's not my fault I don't like making a billion soundboards
Jun 23 17:56:26 <ha1fha1o> summatusmentis: whose fault is that?
Jun 23 17:56:29 <summatusmentis> earlier in the article it talks about how the dev discount will be based on how long you've been in the dev program, and how many active apps you've got in the cat
Jun 23 17:56:31 <PatrickC> why.. why... do people let their support sites go away???? I need support, and can't get it?
Jun 23 17:56:43 <rwatkins> "apps in catalog" is kinda not great, as 10 crappy apps < one Netflix.
Jun 23 17:56:50 <Tibfib> seriously
Jun 23 17:57:06 <PatrickC> I have 6 apps in the catalog
Jun 23 17:57:08 <summatusmentis> sugardave: I would argue the fact that I was a student is at fault
Jun 23 17:57:13 <PatrickC> 4 more in active development
Jun 23 17:57:16 <sugardave> priorities, man!
Jun 23 17:57:22 <rwatkins> so I wonder if "years in developer program" is "signed up on portal" or "full developer accnt"
Jun 23 17:57:46 <rwatkins> as I signed up EA pre 1.0, but just a month ago as full to publish my app
Jun 23 17:57:53 <PatrickC> either way, I have over a year, and over 430 posts
Jun 23 17:58:03 <summatusmentis> I signed up EA for 2.-
Jun 23 17:58:05 <PatrickC> and I'm a senior forum member
Jun 23 17:58:05 <summatusmentis> 2.0
Jun 23 17:58:24 <sugardave> I've been around a while
Jun 23 17:58:27 <rwatkins> good to see something is in place tho
Jun 23 17:58:45 <summatusmentis> I lurk in the forums
Jun 23 17:58:46 <PatrickC> bbl lunch time
Jun 23 17:59:20 <summatusmentis> oh, I guess I've only been in the dev program for < a year
Jun 23 18:01:24 <Tibfib> I've been a forum member for 2 years mid july
Jun 23 18:01:51 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I'm hoping their metric is "all dev program people get X discount, and you can get Y more off if you've got apps published or are active in the forums"
Jun 23 18:01:57 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 23 18:02:14 <Tibfib> Although "active" in the forums is lame
Jun 23 18:02:18 <Tibfib> what about active in irc?
Jun 23 18:02:30 <summatusmentis> that's an interesting point
Jun 23 18:02:35 <Tibfib> this type of thing is hard to make everyone happy
Jun 23 18:02:41 <summatusmentis> I've been here since OG pre was announced :)
Jun 23 18:02:47 <Tibfib> irc?
Jun 23 18:02:51 <summatusmentis> yeah
Jun 23 18:02:52 <Tibfib> nice
Jun 23 18:02:58 <dohtem> Hey you can easily change your company name, right?
Jun 23 18:02:58 <Tibfib> I don't remember when I first came here
Jun 23 18:05:16 <sugardave> around June 23, 2009 for me...I could go check the logs but I'm not going to
Jun 23 18:05:48 <Tibfib> how do you know that date?
Jun 23 18:05:50 <Tibfib> just a guess?
Jun 23 18:06:07 <dohtem> the anniversary of his reign of terror
Jun 23 18:06:15 <Tibfib> my irc online timer is at 1627 hours
Jun 23 18:06:38 <Tibfib> and that got reset a bit ago
Jun 23 18:10:25 <sugardave> Tibfib: I based it on my Sprint contract being up
Jun 23 18:10:32 <Tibfib> ahh
Jun 23 18:10:45 <sugardave> I think the Pre - released on June 16?  And I got mine about a week later
Jun 23 18:10:47 <Tibfib> yeah I joined irc after getting a pre
Jun 23 18:10:54 <Tibfib> june 6th!
Jun 23 18:11:00 <Tibfib> webos20090606
Jun 23 18:11:03 <sugardave> oh, so maybe 13, then :D
Jun 23 18:11:25 <sugardave> it's been 2 years and many obliterated brain cells since then ;)
Jun 23 18:11:33 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 23 18:13:59 <nohorse> is there a reason why i should make my version number 1.0.0.0?  i'm currently running 0.9.47.0 and am wondering if that messes things up in the app catalog
Jun 23 18:14:28 <Tibfib> YOU CRAZY
Jun 23 18:14:32 <Tibfib> no, I think that's fine
Jun 23 18:14:52 <sugardave> you can't have that many numbers, though :/
Jun 23 18:14:54 <Tibfib> although I've never seen a third decimal
Jun 23 18:15:35 <rwatkins> 1.0.0 - make a statement, take a stand.  say your app is "done".
Jun 23 18:15:59 <nohorse> right, only three numbers  0.47.0 we have 4 version digits in my other project (day job) so i got confused
Jun 23 18:16:34 <Tibfib> ah yeah
Jun 23 18:16:34 <nohorse> ok, well i'd like to test it on a real tablet before i call it done :)
Jun 23 18:16:50 <halfhalo> yaycarwash! although its full of women at 11am on a thursday
Jun 23 18:17:20 <sugardave> 0.99.99 "The 'we are pretty sure this works' version"
Jun 23 18:17:37 <halfhalo> I like those versions
Jun 23 18:18:44 <Tibfib> 0.99.9999999949
Jun 23 18:19:18 <Tibfib> 0.99.3141592654
Jun 23 18:19:28 <Tibfib> I should use my last number for pi every time
Jun 23 18:22:59 <Loudergood> mmm.. pi
Jun 23 18:23:21 <Flashpass> delicious
Jun 23 18:23:22 * halfhalo wants a convertible.... someone make me an app for that
Jun 23 18:24:52 <Epyon22> wohoo im in the early access program
Jun 23 18:25:13 <sugardave> woo!
Jun 23 18:25:23 * Epyon22 has a saw that he could use
Jun 23 18:25:29 <summatusmentis> (I think technically yo're not supposed to say that :D )
Jun 23 18:25:36 <sugardave> halfhalo: this app builds you an island and then transforms into a jet and flies you there
Jun 23 18:25:48 <Epyon22> i thnk im not suposed to tell you about it
Jun 23 18:26:30 <summatusmentis> that may be true, I haven't read the NDA
Jun 23 18:26:43 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 23 18:27:13 <Tibfib> no one ping chuqui
Jun 23 18:27:15 <Tibfib> oh, wait
Jun 23 18:27:19 <PatrickC> oops
Jun 23 18:27:22 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 23 18:27:24 <chuqui> Tibfib:  phht.
Jun 23 18:27:57 <Tibfib> so I'm guessing the touchpad case doesn't work with the touchstone?
Jun 23 18:28:06 <summatusmentis> it's supposed to
Jun 23 18:28:11 <PatrickC> chuqui saw nothing.. :)
Jun 23 18:28:17 <PatrickC> brb
Jun 23 18:28:23 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: oh really?
Jun 23 18:28:25 <summatusmentis> I feel like that was one of the talking points when they demod it
Jun 23 18:28:39 <Tibfib> hey it looks like you can
Jun 23 18:28:51 <Tibfib> "Plus, you can charge your HP TouchPad without removing it from the case. Simply connect to the power charger included with your HP TouchPad or place your tablet in the optional HP Touchstone Charging Dock."
Jun 23 18:29:03 <PatrickC> awesome
Jun 23 18:29:08 <Epyon22> sweet
Jun 23 18:29:17 <Tibfib> although, that could be a twisted way to get around saying it doesn't work
Jun 23 18:29:31 <Epyon22> pre3 touchstone is the same as the regular pre one right?
Jun 23 18:29:38 <PatrickC> iirc yeah
Jun 23 18:29:43 <Tibfib> you CAN charge it without removing it, but we won't specify whether that is all methods, or just one
Jun 23 18:30:05 <chuqui> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q
Jun 23 18:30:29 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: "Protect your TouchPad with a lightweight case that doubles as a stand for watching videos or typing. Charge the device right
Jun 23 18:30:32 <summatusmentis> in the case.11"
Jun 23 18:30:49 <Tibfib> where's that?
Jun 23 18:30:57 <summatusmentis> hp.com/touchpad near the bottom
Jun 23 18:31:33 <summatusmentis> I wish there were more images of the case
Jun 23 18:31:46 <Tibfib> it still doesn't specifically mention using the touchstone with the case
Jun 23 18:31:54 <Tibfib> I really hope it works
Jun 23 18:32:01 <summatusmentis> I'm pretty sure it was demo'd that way
Jun 23 18:32:03 <Tibfib> but I have no proof either way
Jun 23 18:32:15 <nohorse> i have a few touchstones i picked up for $5  i'm going to try and DIY some docks for the tablet
Jun 23 18:32:15 <Tibfib> I haven't seen all the videos so maybe
Jun 23 18:33:03 <summatusmentis> "Charge the device right in the case with an AC charger or our Touchstone Charging Dock."
Jun 23 18:33:07 <summatusmentis> from http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/FB343AA%2523AC3/1?jumpid=in_r329_personalization/browse1/PDP_PDP
Jun 23 18:33:21 <Tibfib> YAY!
Jun 23 18:33:22 <Tibfib> proof
Jun 23 18:33:49 <Tibfib> good job summatusmentis
Jun 23 18:33:58 <sugardave> you win an Internet!
Jun 23 18:33:59 <Tibfib_> I think I'll probably get a case now
Jun 23 18:34:14 <Tibfib_> bbl
Jun 23 18:34:29 <summatusmentis> I all the accessories
Jun 23 18:34:46 <summatusmentis> and I can't decide which one to cut out if I can't afford all of them
Jun 23 18:34:53 <Epyon22> did anyone see this http://amzn.to/joeuid? :-D
Jun 23 18:35:18 <summatusmentis> I wish there were more images of the case
Jun 23 18:35:23 <Epyon22> 17th of  july
Jun 23 18:35:46 <summatusmentis> well, they did announce the TP 2 weeks before it went on sale
Jun 23 18:38:56 <PatrickC> that would be amazing
Jun 23 18:39:13 <PatrickC> as long as its on sprint // chuqui singmajesty
Jun 23 18:39:15 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 23 18:40:54 <halfhalo> woooo armoralled inside of cars
Jun 23 18:41:24 <halfhalo> make you blind and makes the seat a slide!
Jun 23 18:41:32 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I'm right there with you, I wish we'd see some leaks at least :)
Jun 23 18:42:03 <summatusmentis> why do companies keep thinking dual-screen smartphones are a good idea?
Jun 23 18:42:15 <PatrickC> idk
Jun 23 18:42:21 <PatrickC> bigger is better?
Jun 23 18:42:30 <PatrickC> the more the merrier?
Jun 23 18:42:31 <thehodge> afternoon all
Jun 23 18:42:38 <PatrickC> hey thehodge
Jun 23 18:42:41 <summatusmentis> I mean, I guess... I just feel like the hinge in the middle would be irritating
Jun 23 18:42:49 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 18:43:02 <PatrickC> how hard would it be to make a third party email client?
Jun 23 18:43:05 <Epyon22> who else made one?
Jun 23 18:43:28 <Epyon22> ^dual screen phone
Jun 23 18:43:32 <summatusmentis> Epyon22: well, there's a kyocera one out (I think it was kyo), and now http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/prototype-dual-screened-2-in-1-android-smartpad-from-imerj-previ/
Jun 23 18:43:48 <PatrickC> Kyocera Echo
Jun 23 18:44:01 <summatusmentis> yeah
Jun 23 18:44:09 <summatusmentis> the hinge on that one is awful
Jun 23 18:44:11 <summatusmentis> I played with it
Jun 23 18:44:43 <Epyon22> oh so its like that flip android phone
Jun 23 18:45:03 <PatrickC> if the Pre³ doesn't come to sprint.. I'm seriously thinking of getting an Evo 3D :'(
Jun 23 18:45:15 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I'll probably FrankenPre2, personally
Jun 23 18:45:16 * Epyon22 would get a nexus s
Jun 23 18:45:43 <PatrickC> summatumentis: I could do that, but I would still be running old hw :/
Jun 23 18:46:18 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I mean, yes, but better'n nothing
Jun 23 18:46:33 <summatusmentis> I really, really want to stay on webos/sprint
Jun 23 18:46:34 <PatrickC> true
Jun 23 18:46:40 <summatusmentis> I'm still on SERO :)
Jun 23 18:46:57 <PatrickC> but...... the evo 3D is soooo attractive.. and honeycomb is nice
Jun 23 18:46:59 <summatusmentis> although, I've considered prepaid t-mob service
Jun 23 18:46:59 <PatrickC> SERO?
Jun 23 18:47:18 <dohtem> what does "Add foe" on the forums do?
Jun 23 18:47:24 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: sprint had an old plan that got you $30/mo for 500 minutes, ulimited data, unlimited texting
Jun 23 18:47:40 <summatusmentis> then after a while, there was a $10 add-on for "new" smartphones, which is when I got my pre
Jun 23 18:48:16 <Epyon22> ill have to take the 10$ addon when i updgrade :(
Jun 23 18:48:28 <PatrickC> same here
Jun 23 18:48:31 <summatusmentis> Epyon22: me too
Jun 23 18:48:42 <summatusmentis> so I'll be paying $50, but that's still better than anything else
Jun 23 18:48:49 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 18:49:08 <PatrickC> I like my pre2.. but the evo 3D is just... wow..
Jun 23 18:49:20 <halfhalo> bah
Jun 23 18:49:27 <halfhalo> 3d is for tools
Jun 23 18:49:37 <halfhalo> real men use 1d
Jun 23 18:50:16 <PatrickC> 1.2GHz dual core...
Jun 23 18:50:23 <PatrickC> http://www.htc.com/us/products/evo3d-sprint
Jun 23 18:50:25 <Epyon22> halfhalo: must have a string for a phone
Jun 23 18:50:39 <Flashpass> Epyon22: lol
Jun 23 18:50:52 <summatusmentis> I don't really care about the 3D, the specs are nice, but... android
Jun 23 18:50:59 <PatrickC> yeah..
Jun 23 18:51:04 <PatrickC> I like it for the specs
Jun 23 18:51:41 <summatusmentis> and 2.3 isn't honeycomb is it?
Jun 23 18:51:52 <Epyon22> someone really needs to figure out how to hijack andorid devices for webos :-)
Jun 23 18:52:28 <Flashpass> man is really anything people go for nowadays just specs
Jun 23 18:52:30 <Popple3> summatusmentis: 2.3 is Gingerbread, Honeycomb isn't for phones
Jun 23 18:52:45 <Popple3> Flashpass: Unfortunately...
Jun 23 18:52:57 <summatusmentis> right, that's what I thought
Jun 23 18:53:03 <Popple3> CPU clock speed is the new penis size
Jun 23 18:53:07 <Popple3> lol
Jun 23 18:53:14 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 23 18:53:19 <Flashpass> yeah, what ever happened to a solid experience
Jun 23 18:53:25 <summatusmentis> Flashpass: meh, specs only matter if the experience needs them
Jun 23 18:53:28 <summatusmentis> right, that
Jun 23 18:53:31 <Popple3> Flashpass: That's what she said ;)
Jun 23 18:53:31 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 23 18:53:39 <Flashpass> lol
Jun 23 18:53:57 <summatusmentis> my 4yo macbook still feels faster than some of the brand new win7 machines
Jun 23 18:54:32 <Flashpass> i think there is a reason why apple usually doesn't shine much light on specs, seems like the way to go to me
Jun 23 18:54:45 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 23 18:54:46 <Epyon22> its all about how optimized the os is
Jun 23 18:54:49 <PatrickC> the expensive way to go
Jun 23 18:55:13 <Flashpass> the androids can battle it out in the spec department
Jun 23 18:55:51 <summatusmentis> quite frankly, if webos no longer became an option, I'd go iOS over android
Jun 23 18:55:56 <Epyon22> it comes down to specs if your going to compare two things. the speed difference between ios android and webos is intangable
Jun 23 18:56:10 <Popple3> summatusmentis: I'd go MeeGo if it had a future
Jun 23 18:56:11 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: same here
Jun 23 18:56:12 <Epyon22> *not just the speed difference but the expereice
Jun 23 18:56:16 <PatrickC> if sprint offered iOS
Jun 23 18:56:20 <summatusmentis> Popple3: which is doesn't :)
Jun 23 18:56:28 <Popple3> I know, just saying :P
Jun 23 18:56:47 <Popple3> I'd probably try something new, get a Nokia Windows Phone
Jun 23 18:57:12 <Bradmeister1> does anyone think that most people will end up under clocking the pre³?
Jun 23 18:57:21 <PatrickC> no!!
Jun 23 18:57:24 <PatrickC> they better not
Jun 23 18:57:40 <Popple3> Bradmeister1: I used to underclock my Desire when it got under 40% battery
Jun 23 18:57:41 <Bradmeister1> for battery life purposes?
Jun 23 18:57:49 <Epyon22> ahhhh windows phones!
Jun 23 18:57:55 <PatrickC> once it hits 25% yeah
Jun 23 18:58:01 <PatrickC> but for normal use? no!
Jun 23 18:58:10 <Flashpass> i admit i like the windows phones, and they're fun to dev for too
Jun 23 18:58:18 <summatusmentis> I used to underclock my OGpre for battery purposes
Jun 23 18:58:31 <summatusmentis> but then it started not recieving text messages while I was playing music
Jun 23 18:58:36 <Popple3> Flashpass: And with the way Windows 8 is going with HTML5 apps, WinPho will likely follow ;)
Jun 23 18:58:41 <Epyon22> i have it underclocked when the screen is off
Jun 23 18:59:04 <Bradmeister1> my veer flies compared to a 1ghz pre with 2.1
Jun 23 18:59:13 <PatrickC> Epyon: same here
Jun 23 18:59:34 <summatusmentis> if sprint doesn't get webos, I'll seriously consider a gsm pre3 on prepaid, or something
Jun 23 18:59:34 <PatrickC> 4.3" inch Super LCD 540x960 QHD resolution 3D display «- sounds nice
Jun 23 18:59:50 <Popple3> PatrickC: 3D doesn't sound nice
Jun 23 18:59:56 <Popple3> :P
Jun 23 19:00:04 <PatrickC> the 3D is optional :)
Jun 23 19:00:09 <summatusmentis> or perhaps VZW without txt
Jun 23 19:00:19 <Popple3> also, Super AMOLED > Super LCD ;)
Jun 23 19:00:28 <Flashpass> yeah 3d display doesn't interest me, but 3d cam is kinda neat
Jun 23 19:00:44 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 23 19:00:45 * Popple3 plays his 3DS in 2D mode
Jun 23 19:01:03 <Bradmeister1> vzw and their new data plans...
Jun 23 19:01:12 <Bradmeister1> no bueno
Jun 23 19:01:17 <summatusmentis> oh yeah, good point
Jun 23 19:01:20 <summatusmentis> :(
Jun 23 19:01:32 <summatusmentis> Bradmeister1: unfortunately, the whole industry in the US is going that way
Jun 23 19:01:40 <Popple3> I pay €15/month for 10GB of data with full tethering priveledges :D
Jun 23 19:01:51 <Popple3> *privileges
Jun 23 19:02:00 <summatusmentis> well la dee da
Jun 23 19:02:03 <Flashpass> hahah
Jun 23 19:02:06 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 23 19:02:37 <Popple3> And nothing for my calls and texts to the same network, which is pretty much all my friends and family
Jun 23 19:03:02 <Popple3> Irish mobile networks FTW
Jun 23 19:03:03 <Epyon22> whats an avg cell plan price in euros?
Jun 23 19:03:06 <thehodge> is there anywhere I can ask an SDK 3 question... I know a lot of its secret
Jun 23 19:04:12 <Epyon22> forums ;-)
Jun 23 19:04:23 <Popple3> Epyon22: It varies too much to tell really. I know you can get pretty much any phone for free on a €40/month 2 year contract
Jun 23 19:04:24 <Epyon22> palmones
Jun 23 19:04:34 <Epyon22> ah ok
Jun 23 19:04:53 <Popple3> I'm on €35/month (including my 10GB data and free calls & texts to same network)
Jun 23 19:05:07 <Popple3> although that's a SIM only plan, no free/cheap phone
Jun 23 19:05:15 <Tibfib_> :O http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026L7H20?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20
Jun 23 19:05:15 <thehodge> I'm on £30 a month and get 500meg... :(
Jun 23 19:05:42 <summatusmentis> niiice, although dang, that's pricy
Jun 23 19:05:49 <thehodge> is that a crafty way of getting us to click your affilaite link Tibfib_ ;)
Jun 23 19:05:59 <sugardave> I already have the whole thing on DVD special edition :/
Jun 23 19:06:11 <Tibfib_> thehodge: drat
Jun 23 19:06:24 <Tibfib> sugardave: I don't even have a blu ray player and I want that
Jun 23 19:06:37 <thehodge> I bought a blue ray the other day
Jun 23 19:06:51 <Tibfib> random question: anyone own all 7 seasons of lost in digital format?
Jun 23 19:06:59 <sugardave> I have a PS3, so no worries :D
Jun 23 19:07:01 <Tibfib> I want to know how much space they take up
Jun 23 19:07:09 <sugardave> Tibfib: probably halfhalo
Jun 23 19:07:15 <thehodge> but when it asked me to upgrade my graphics driver and download some software then pay for it to enable blue ray
Jun 23 19:07:22 <thehodge> I just downloaded the torrent
Jun 23 19:07:34 * Tibfib reaaaaaallly wants to watch lost on his touchpad
Jun 23 19:07:45 <thehodge> Tibfib high def?
Jun 23 19:07:54 <Popple3> Tibfib: I should really finish lost....
Jun 23 19:07:59 <Tibfib> preferably, but not necessarily
Jun 23 19:08:08 <Tibfib> Popple3: some people hate the ending, I didn't mind it
Jun 23 19:08:21 <thehodge> I have 1 - 7 excluding 4 in standard
Jun 23 19:08:21 <Popple3> I don't know it, so sssssshhhhhh
Jun 23 19:08:22 <Popple3> lol
Jun 23 19:08:25 <thehodge> and thats 45gig
Jun 23 19:08:34 <Epyon22> how many episodes?
Jun 23 19:08:37 <Tibfib> hahaahahah
Jun 23 19:08:50 <Epyon22> idk say ~400 megs per episode
Jun 23 19:08:50 <Tibfib> soooo much space
Jun 23 19:09:06 <Tibfib> thehodge: so all in hd, but 5 is in sd?
Jun 23 19:09:11 <thehodge> no
Jun 23 19:09:15 <thehodge> they are all in SD i believe
Jun 23 19:09:17 <thehodge> 1 min
Jun 23 19:09:24 <Tibfib> oh, 1-7 in sd, except 4
Jun 23 19:09:30 <nohorse> 7 seasons * 7 discs * 4 GB = 200GB for the ISOs
Jun 23 19:09:45 <Tibfib> haha
Jun 23 19:09:52 <Tibfib> I may have to watch a season at a time on the tp
Jun 23 19:09:52 <thehodge> 6 is in HD
Jun 23 19:09:56 <Tibfib> :)
Jun 23 19:10:02 <Popple3> nohorse: Are the DVDs dual layer though? :P
Jun 23 19:10:07 <Epyon22> this is why we need a dnla app
Jun 23 19:10:30 <Tibfib> or netflix
Jun 23 19:10:40 <nohorse> poople3: who knows, just doing some math there
Jun 23 19:10:47 <Popple3> Tibfib: Screw netflix, we don't all live in the US :P
Jun 23 19:10:56 <halfhalo> what do I own now?
Jun 23 19:11:01 <Tibfib> Popple3: sorrrry
Jun 23 19:11:09 <Tibfib> halfhalo: all seasons of lost in digital format?
Jun 23 19:11:21 <Popple3> Tibfib: you damn well better be :P
Jun 23 19:11:24 * Popple3 shakes fist
Jun 23 19:11:47 <halfhalo> Tibfib: nope.  I figured out the whole thing after the first few episodes.  they were all high.
Jun 23 19:11:48 <Tibfib> I'd pay for netflix if it was on teh touchpad... but otherwise, no
Jun 23 19:11:56 <Tibfib> SPOILER ALERT
Jun 23 19:12:09 <Tibfib> hm.
Jun 23 19:12:19 <Tibfib> I wish iTunes would say how big a file was
Jun 23 19:12:26 <Tibfib> before you purchase
Jun 23 19:13:00 <thehodge> if anyone has a minute, I've posted a question in the *cough* forum... and its a stupid one but could do with a point in the right direction :)
Jun 23 19:13:23 <Popple3> Tibfib: It does... At least for movies anyway
Jun 23 19:13:42 <Popple3> (no TV shows in Irish iTunes)
Jun 23 19:13:42 <Tibfib> I dont' think it does for tv shows
Jun 23 19:14:03 * halfhalo has pink pixi back now
Jun 23 19:15:58 <Tibfib> hmm, it looks like amazon's "portable device" version is about 200mbs an episode
Jun 23 19:16:06 <Tibfib> how crappy that looks at touchpad resolution, I don't know
Jun 23 19:16:28 <Popple3> portable device = phones, surely?
Jun 23 19:16:38 <Tibfib> it's 2gb an episode as a pc version
Jun 23 19:16:40 <Tibfib> Popple3: yeah
Jun 23 19:17:07 <Popple3> Tibfib: Solution: Buy on DVD/BD, rip at desire quality :P
Jun 23 19:17:16 <Tibfib> see, that would take forever
Jun 23 19:17:37 <Tibfib> Popple3: what program do you recommend for ripping?
Jun 23 19:17:40 <Popple3> fine, buy on DVD/BD and torrent rips :P
Jun 23 19:17:57 <Popple3> I use Handbrake myself, works perfectly
Jun 23 19:18:09 <Tibfib> yeah, I use handbrake
Jun 23 19:18:12 <Tibfib> just takes a while
Jun 23 19:18:22 <halfhalo> i use... zuuuuuune!
Jun 23 19:18:24 <Popple3> I really hope the TouchPad supports mkv files... Does anyone know?
Jun 23 19:18:35 <Tibfib> Popple3: see the official site
Jun 23 19:18:41 <Tibfib> it probably has the supported formats
Jun 23 19:18:49 <dohtem> Popple3: I really doubt it
Jun 23 19:18:56 <Tibfib> ALTHOUGH, touchpad has flash
Jun 23 19:19:03 <dohtem> but god, mkv is an awesome container
Jun 23 19:19:06 <Tibfib> I could watch through amazon instant if it isn't blocked
Jun 23 19:19:09 <Popple3> dohtem: :(
Jun 23 19:19:29 <Popple3> website just lists codecs "MPEG-4, H.263, H.264"
Jun 23 19:19:31 <thehodge> I managed to get VLC on my ipad before it was pulled, too bad it wasn't any good
Jun 23 19:19:32 <Popple3> not containers
Jun 23 19:20:16 <Popple3> I suppose I could remux my mkvs to mp4s... Kinda need to for my Apple TV anyway...
Jun 23 19:20:57 <Popple3> I've done some, but dammit it's too long of a process, and they won't all work thanks to different codecs being used in them
Jun 23 19:21:36 <dohtem> Popple3: ever use the WD TV HD?
Jun 23 19:21:54 <Popple3> No, but I used to have an ASUS O!Play
Jun 23 19:22:05 <Popple3> well, me and my bro, then he moved out and took it with him
Jun 23 19:22:25 <Popple3> I have XBMC on my Apple TV anyway, but still, would be much nicer if it'd just work easily
Jun 23 19:26:02 <Popple3> and if the TouchPad will only playback MP4, then I guess I have little other choice
Jun 23 19:29:16 <Popple3> The way I see it is, MP4 will "just work" (unfortunately)
Jun 23 19:30:52 <leiru> hi
Jun 23 19:34:22 <leiru> hrm
Jun 23 19:34:43 <leiru> thinking about to start some node.js or/and backbone.js foo
Jun 23 19:41:24 <Loudergood> I have an O!Play...never was too happy with it..
Jun 23 19:42:31 <dohtem> never tried the oplay but Im still on my first gen wd tv.  I love it
Jun 23 19:46:43 <Popple3> Loudergood: It's uPnP support was majorly borked
Jun 23 19:47:08 <Loudergood> well..I have the air
Jun 23 19:47:24 <Popple3> Did they fix uPnP for that?
Jun 23 19:47:35 <Loudergood> and lets just say streaming HD content and using the remote at the same time just doesn't work
Jun 23 19:47:47 <Loudergood> you hit play and then you have no more control
Jun 23 19:48:05 <Popple3> wow, the original wasn't that bad
Jun 23 19:48:05 <Popple3> lol
Jun 23 19:49:15 <Loudergood> if I plugged in ethernet it worked fine
Jun 23 19:49:34 <Loudergood> of course if I wanted to place it in a spot I could wire easily I wouldn't have bought an Air
Jun 23 19:52:01 <Popple3> heh, that is quite fail
Jun 23 19:52:42 <Popple3> I just couldn't connect the damn thing to my uPnP server, had to use Samba shares instead, and manually edit a text file on the firmware to point to it
Jun 23 19:53:09 <Popple3> not what I'd call user friendly :P
Jun 23 20:07:21 <RagingMind> F*** my Pre! it should not take a phone 8+ tries and 5 seconds to register that I hit the button to hang up
Jun 23 20:08:40 <RagingMind> ... sorry.  been on the phone a lot today and it got to me
Jun 23 20:10:36 <Loudergood> yeah, I don't miss that
Jun 23 20:11:09 <HattCzech_work> RagingMind: i agree
Jun 23 20:11:14 <HattCzech_work> want to upgrade :(
Jun 23 20:12:20 <oil> Tibfib: NOW it works here :/
Jun 23 20:12:29 <Tibfib> oil: huh?
Jun 23 20:12:38 <oil> re adding new search thing
Jun 23 20:12:42 <Tibfib> oh
Jun 23 20:12:56 <Tibfib> I just wrote it off as a user error
Jun 23 20:12:59 <Tibfib> ;)
Jun 23 20:13:22 <oil> not like i dont know what to do
Jun 23 20:13:22 <oil> haha
Jun 23 20:13:33 <oil> tap text box, receive keyboard
Jun 23 20:13:44 <oil> just like the mouse, press button, receive cheese
Jun 23 20:14:32 <RagingMind> I'm still wondering what special thing HP has to "make it right" for not giving us the upgrade
Jun 23 20:14:53 <Tibfib> such a great video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHTSxw6zN1E
Jun 23 20:17:25 <oil> hey tibfib, all the rows in your settings groups seem to be "single" styled?
Jun 23 20:17:30 <oil> on purpose?
Jun 23 20:17:47 <Tibfib> oil: we haven't done anything
Jun 23 20:17:52 <oil> oh
Jun 23 20:19:17 * oil just notices the weird little rounded bits between the rows
Jun 23 20:36:35 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: agreed good video just watched it
Jun 23 20:36:52 <Tibfib> one of my favorite music videos of all time
Jun 23 20:37:02 <Tibfib> I can't get into ones that are serious
Jun 23 20:45:37 <dohtem> Fact: you can go insane tweaking your app's colors
Jun 23 20:47:56 <Vyker> wifi tethering on webos already? or you need an app?
Jun 23 20:49:51 <Nuttybunny_> I think I left my account connected at home :)
Jun 23 20:50:07 <NuttyBunny> There, better
Jun 23 20:51:30 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
Jun 23 20:51:38 <NuttyBunny> stupid xchat ;)
Jun 23 20:51:47 <Popple3> Vyker: You need to install freeTether from Preware
Jun 23 20:52:08 <Popple3> (or quick install)
Jun 23 20:59:33 <DMeister> Hi
Jun 23 21:00:07 <DMeister> Hi
Jun 23 21:00:28 <Vyker> Popple3, thanks.
Jun 23 21:05:15 <Vyker> so how does the touchstone work then?
Jun 23 21:05:28 <Vyker> ive got it plugged into my computer and ive rested the phone onto it... but then what?
Jun 23 21:05:33 <Vyker> doesnt show its charging or anything
Jun 23 21:05:38 <Vyker> what am i doing wrong?
Jun 23 21:05:44 <destinal> Vyker: it needs to be plugged into the AC adapter
Jun 23 21:06:02 <sugardave> MORE POWER
Jun 23 21:06:03 <destinal> the USB port on a PC will not provide enough current to drive it
Jun 23 21:06:04 <Popple3> yeah, I noticed the same thing, I was like O.o but then I realised and was :D
Jun 23 21:06:44 <sugardave> My TouchPad complained at me when I plugged it into the Pre- charger
Jun 23 21:07:12 <Vyker> i see, i see.. thats a shame
Jun 23 21:07:22 <Vyker> would have been awesome if it could connect to the pc as well as charge
Jun 23 21:07:23 <Vyker> hey ho!
Jun 23 21:08:19 <sugardave> you can do straight to phone on usb and it will charge
Jun 23 21:08:26 <sugardave> slowly
Jun 23 21:09:06 <sugardave> I wonder if you can charge it extra fast with a usb and touchstone going?
Jun 23 21:10:00 <haeffb> I wonder if you can charge a Pre2 extra fast with a TP charger
Jun 23 21:10:15 <haeffb> but I'm not willing to test to find out :)
Jun 23 21:11:18 <Bradmeister1> haeffb: you can
Jun 23 21:11:33 <Popple3> sugardave: Hmmmmm... interesting :P
Jun 23 21:11:42 <Popple3> haeffb: Yeah, it was said that you could I think
Jun 23 21:11:54 <Bradmeister1> and without danger...the hardware regulates the current.
Jun 23 21:11:59 <Popple3> indeed
Jun 23 21:13:53 <destinal> Bradmeister1: I don't think a pre2 would try to draw more than 1A
Jun 23 21:15:18 <Bradmeister1> I've also heard people hypothesize that you can use the touchstone with certain computers if you short out the data component of a usb cable.
Jun 23 21:15:43 <haeffb> hmmm...no vehicle charger listed as accesory
Jun 23 21:15:49 <haeffb> not enough power output?
Jun 23 21:15:55 <destinal> Bradmeister1: ah, well, you'd have to cut it on the PC side and short it on the device side to not damage the port
Jun 23 21:16:08 <destinal> and you'd need a port that can supply 1A otherwise you'll fry something
Jun 23 21:16:15 <destinal> PC's are rated for 500ma
Jun 23 21:16:24 <Bradmeister1> But I haven't heard of anyone  actually trying this.
Jun 23 21:17:59 <destinal> Bradmeister1: I've seen people wire up the 5V connector of a PC's power supply to an extra USB port with data lines shorted, (the port is only ever used for charging USB charger spec devices) that would do the job..
Jun 23 21:19:29 <Bradmeister1> destinal: I am not sure if it would accept more than 1 amp but it may accept exactly one amp.  I've never seen the pre charger provide exactly 1 am, generally ~ 25% less.
Jun 23 21:20:44 <DMeister> does anyone know if the version 1.1.9 of Palm/HP Mobile Hotspot of the Veer makes some improvements than the Pre 2 version (1.1.4) ?
Jun 23 21:21:39 <Bradmeister1> DMeister: I think it lets you do hdmi out...
Jun 23 21:21:48 <Vyker> anyone worked out a way to export/import SMS into webos?
Jun 23 21:22:05 <DMeister> ok
Jun 23 21:22:05 <Vyker> I have thousands of texts on my android, any way to move it over to webos?
Jun 23 21:22:19 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 23 21:22:39 <Bradmeister1> I'm not sure, it seems to function the same.
Jun 23 21:23:15 <Bradmeister1> It may enable the use of the veer's 802.11n card.
Jun 23 21:24:10 <Popple3> Vyker: I doubt it
Jun 23 21:25:12 <DMeister> ah ok... because some of my users told me to not be able to connect as well as usual in 1.1.4 (espacially with iTouch)
Jun 23 21:27:57 <Bradmeister1> what generation is the touch? does it have 802.11n?
Jun 23 21:28:09 <dwc-> Vyker: someone has... I recall they did some hackery to get their treo/centro messages in
Jun 23 21:28:13 <Bradmeister1> *itouch
Jun 23 21:28:17 <dwc-> let me see if I can dig up the link
Jun 23 21:28:24 <Vyker> dwc-, thanks kindly
Jun 23 21:28:57 <Bradmeister1> impostah can access the sms db I believe...
Jun 23 21:29:52 <dwc-> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2964317
Jun 23 21:30:16 <dwc-> I have not tested it, nor know anyone personally who has
Jun 23 21:30:22 <dwc-> </disclaimer>
Jun 23 21:31:10 <Vyker> thanks, i'll get reading
Jun 23 21:31:19 <Vyker> though im importing from android, so might be easier i hope
Jun 23 21:32:43 <dwc-> hopefully
Jun 23 21:32:52 <DMeister> the 3rd generation with the last firmware...
Jun 23 22:10:50 <PatrickC> hey all
Jun 23 22:12:26 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/angry-birds-pixi-pre-and-pre-plus-not-likely-get-updates-anytime-soon :'(
Jun 23 22:13:17 <Flashpass_> angry birds on pixi, seems tough
Jun 23 22:14:46 <PatrickC> hmm.. do I get my current app to beta/public state or start working on *another* app... decisions, decisions.. :)
Jun 23 22:15:33 <Flashpass_> you should stick to the current app and make it awesome
Jun 23 22:15:37 <Loudergood> big fan of multitasking?
Jun 23 22:15:54 <PatrickC> I use webOS don't I? :)
Jun 23 22:16:03 <PatrickC> Flashpass_: hmm.. :)
Jun 23 22:17:06 <PatrickC> grr.. I want a group email system that works with webOS 2.1...
Jun 23 22:17:24 <Loudergood> group email system?
Jun 23 22:17:35 <Vyker> anyone know where i can get activcards from?
Jun 23 22:17:38 <PatrickC> so I can send an email to a group
Jun 23 22:17:47 <PatrickC> without having to type each contact
Jun 23 22:17:56 <PatrickC> like TXT Group
Jun 23 22:18:19 <Loudergood> not a mailing list?
Jun 23 22:18:38 <PatrickC> that would work too
Jun 23 22:18:48 <PatrickC> it has to be 2.1 compatible
Jun 23 22:19:36 <Loudergood> the benefits of a mailing list are that it would be device independent and allow other people to use it
Jun 23 22:20:15 <PatrickC> how would I make one...
Jun 23 22:20:21 <PatrickC> besides google groups?
Jun 23 22:20:44 <Bradmeister1> I think there is a free service
Jun 23 22:21:05 <Bradmeister1> it may have listserve in the name
Jun 23 22:22:32 <PatrickC> and all the good email list apps aren't 2.1 compatible..
Jun 23 22:24:29 <Flashpass_> off topic - when do tp accessories officially go on sale in stores?
Jun 23 22:24:35 <Bradmeister1> maybe not
Jun 23 22:25:12 <Bradmeister1> I heard that bestbuy will have tp accessories on july 1st
Jun 23 22:25:54 <Flashpass_> oh really, nice
Jun 23 22:26:05 <Flashpass_> currently amazon lists them for cheapest right
Jun 23 22:26:07 <Bradmeister1> but amazon has given me a mid july shipping estimate.
Jun 23 22:26:41 <Bradmeister1> amazon is the cheapest
Jun 23 22:26:51 <PatrickC> listserv is payfor
Jun 23 22:27:12 <Bradmeister1> yeah it may have been free at some point
Jun 23 22:27:54 <Bradmeister1> I saw that you can set up your own listserv free edition, but it caps at 10 users.
Jun 23 22:29:15 <PatrickC> I have ~10 beta users now
Jun 23 22:29:20 <PatrickC> growing almost daily
Jun 23 22:32:59 <PatrickC> I'm using http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/
Jun 23 22:37:03 <Bradmeister1> that looks promising, did you just stumble upon it? Or have you already been using it?
Jun 23 22:38:00 <PatrickC> found it with another site.. 1 second
Jun 23 22:38:24 <PatrickC> http://www.freecenter.com/maillist.html
Jun 23 22:41:18 <NuttyBunny> bbl
Jun 23 22:42:37 <dwc-> you could make a google group or yahoo group out of it
Jun 23 22:42:47 <PatrickC> too much work :P
Jun 23 22:42:54 <dwc-> or find someone with their own domain, realy
Jun 23 22:43:10 <PatrickC> I'll do a google group if I have to
Jun 23 22:43:17 <PatrickC> oh, I have my own domain, why?
Jun 23 22:43:17 <Flashpass_> another good use for the now dead Google Wave lol
Jun 23 22:43:26 <PatrickC> Google Wave? lol
Jun 23 22:43:40 <Flashpass_> yeah, organizing stuff like this would have been good with it
Jun 23 22:43:58 <PatrickC> dwc-: what would having my own domain do?
Jun 23 22:44:18 <dwc-> point it at google or microsoft apps for domains
Jun 23 22:45:12 <PatrickC> grr.. I have to use their site to do an email list..
Jun 23 22:45:34 <singmajesty> Sweet! My packages arrived
Jun 23 22:45:41 <PatrickC> what were they?
Jun 23 22:45:44 <PatrickC> my touchpad?
Jun 23 22:45:54 <singmajesty> Oh, I forgot to sign for that one
Jun 23 22:46:02 <singmajesty> $30 of Palm history
Jun 23 22:46:08 <PatrickC> Palm history?
Jun 23 22:46:09 <dwc-> pilot?
Jun 23 22:46:16 <Flashpass_> its like a riddle lol
Jun 23 22:46:17 <singmajesty> 3 TouchStones, 1 travel charger, 2 car chargers
Jun 23 22:46:23 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 23 22:46:24 <singmajesty> OG
Jun 23 22:46:37 <singmajesty> Yeah, not as historical as one might expect, I suppose
Jun 23 22:46:40 <Flashpass_> how much do touchstones go for nowadays
Jun 23 22:46:48 <singmajesty> $30 because they have the Palm logo, I suppose :(
Jun 23 22:46:58 <singmajesty> I got each item for $5
Jun 23 22:47:11 <singmajesty> Ordered them all on Tuesday, arrived today
Jun 23 22:47:29 <singmajesty> TouchStone and charger from Verizon, car charger from AT*T
Jun 23 22:47:31 <singmajesty> AT&T
Jun 23 22:48:46 <singmajesty> They all have price tags on them
Jun 23 22:48:57 <singmajesty> $240 of product for $30
Jun 23 22:49:01 <singmajesty> including shipping
Jun 23 22:49:03 <singmajesty> Not bad :)
Jun 23 22:49:11 <PatrickC> now I wish I would have gotten the other domain first lol
Jun 23 22:49:43 <dwc-> "other" ?
Jun 23 22:49:58 <Bradmeister1> yeah, but there is such a thing as too many touchstones... (gasp)
Jun 23 22:50:08 <Popple3> Bradmeister1: Blasphemy!
Jun 23 22:50:10 <dwc-> you tell my friend that -- I think he has 5
Jun 23 22:50:18 <PatrickC> I had to choose which domain I wanted, between 2, and I chose 1 and now want the other lol
Jun 23 22:50:18 <singmajesty> We have five now
Jun 23 22:50:21 <Bradmeister1> I have 11
Jun 23 22:50:37 <Popple3> I have 1 with another on the way, and I'll probably get a third...
Jun 23 22:50:37 <Popple3> lol
Jun 23 22:50:38 <Bradmeister1> I have 4 next to the bed...
Jun 23 22:50:42 <singmajesty> My wife has one for her phone, I have one in my room for mine
Jun 23 22:50:52 <singmajesty> Now I have one for my work desk, and one for each car
Jun 23 22:51:15 <Bradmeister1> I carry two in my laptop case...for some reason.
Jun 23 22:51:17 <singmajesty> It will be helpful with the Veer, since I only have one data cable
Jun 23 22:51:30 <singmajesty> I had gotten used to having lots of extra micro-USB cables
Jun 23 22:51:42 <Popple3> one for work, one for bedside, and I'll get another one when I get a car (hopefully) in september
Jun 23 22:51:57 <singmajesty> Having a TouchStone in the car is really nice
Jun 23 22:51:58 <Popple3> dunno how I ever lived without it :P
Jun 23 22:52:08 <Bradmeister1> I don't know anyone who has multiple ever cables...
Jun 23 22:52:08 <singmajesty> If you put a phone on a TouchStone, and plug in the audio ...
Jun 23 22:52:20 <singmajesty> Your music plays in the car, your music quiets when the GPS needs to speak...
Jun 23 22:52:23 <Bradmeister1> *veer
Jun 23 22:52:30 <singmajesty> ...and if you get an incoming call, it uses the speakerphone mic
Jun 23 22:52:31 <Popple3> singmajesty: or if you have an A2DP stereo... ;)
Jun 23 22:52:39 <singmajesty> ...or that ;)
Jun 23 22:52:48 <singmajesty> How is the sound quality on Bluetooth audio to a stereo?
Jun 23 22:52:56 <singmajesty> I keep hearing people say that it doesn't work very well
Jun 23 22:53:10 <singmajesty> I've only tried it with inexpensive headphones
Jun 23 22:53:11 <Popple3> dunno, I've only tried it with a crappy little receiver, and that was meh
Jun 23 22:53:17 <Bradmeister1> it's like a warm apple pie
Jun 23 22:53:54 <Bradmeister1> my last rental car had it (a ford taurus) and it blew my mind
Jun 23 22:54:41 <singmajesty> Hmm
Jun 23 22:54:56 <singmajesty> Yeah, especially with a Veer, Bluetooth would be nice if I wanted to listen to audio all the time
Jun 23 22:55:04 <PatrickC> grr.. I'll just have to figure out what to do..
Jun 23 22:55:17 <singmajesty> Wouldn't be as bad if I could buy extra audio adapters, to leave on the ends of my headphones or car adapter, but alas.
Jun 23 22:55:45 <singmajesty> Actually, my commuter car has an aftermarket CD player with no tape and no input
Jun 23 22:56:10 <singmajesty> So I actually just buy CDs, rip them onto my computer, then end up using the real CDs when I drive
Jun 23 22:56:24 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 23 22:57:03 <Popple3> heh, I'll be investing in a Bluetooth stereo with aux input if I can afford it :P
Jun 23 22:57:16 <Bradmeister1> so I actually buy the cds, rip them onto my computer, and listen to the radio when I drive.
Jun 23 22:57:35 <singmajesty> Hah
Jun 23 22:57:51 <singmajesty> I don't know any radio stations I like listening to, is my problem
Jun 23 22:57:55 <singmajesty> (if it is a problem?)
Jun 23 22:58:06 <Bradmeister1> popple3: touchpad over bluetooth and Pre via aux?
Jun 23 22:59:10 <PatrickC> touchpad over all
Jun 23 23:00:44 <Tibfib> nice deal: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=40545023&postcount=3
Jun 23 23:03:08 <Bradmeister1> tibfib: no backlit keyboard!
Jun 23 23:03:22 <Tibfib> free xbox 360 with it = good deal
Jun 23 23:05:10 <Bradmeister1> if you give a Tibfib an xbox, he is going to want a kinect...
Jun 23 23:05:24 <Tibfib> hah
Jun 23 23:05:25 <twbbas> PatrickC: I registered on that website you sent
Jun 23 23:05:26 <Popple3> Bradmeister1: You mean you can't touchtype? you sicken me :P
Jun 23 23:05:41 <Tibfib> I have an xbox and never play it
Jun 23 23:05:41 <PatrickC> twbbas: you will be getting another one.. :)
Jun 23 23:06:20 <Bradmeister1> touchtype? I am on a pre?
Jun 23 23:06:45 <Popple3> Bradmeister1: You were saying that about a laptop though O.o
Jun 23 23:07:04 <Flashpass_> PatrickC: you keep spamming me lol
Jun 23 23:07:07 <Bradmeister1> the backlit keyboard...oo
Jun 23 23:07:12 <twbbas> PatrickC: It says the page is not found when I click the link in the 2nd email
Jun 23 23:07:15 <PatrickC> Flashpass_: hehehe
Jun 23 23:07:24 <PatrickC> try again, its finished being made now
Jun 23 23:07:28 <twbbas> ok
Jun 23 23:08:27 <Flashpass_> PatrickC: you should focus all this group email energy on wrapping up a beta ;)
Jun 23 23:08:27 <twbbas> PatrickC: I did a search for it and I joined it
Jun 23 23:08:58 <PatrickC> Flashpass_: I have to wait till next week to get the licences :)
Jun 23 23:10:04 <PatrickC> twbbas: accepted
Jun 23 23:10:42 <twbbas> woo!
Jun 23 23:17:47 <PatrickC> twbbas: check the lounge on the site
Jun 23 23:20:10 <PatrickC> *anyone* interested in beta'ing a up-and-coming amazing radio app, please PM me
Jun 23 23:20:45 <Tibfib> whoa! an update: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/webos-2-1-update-available-for-verizon-pre2-users/
Jun 23 23:21:00 <PatrickC> #webos-internals is talking about that now
Jun 23 23:23:54 <PatrickC> eh, I'll stick with blastgroups
Jun 23 23:23:59 <PatrickC> seems good enough
Jun 23 23:29:54 <PatrickC> singmajesty: ping
Jun 23 23:30:42 <PatrickC> or chuqui
Jun 23 23:31:35 <PatrickC> or Adora :)
Jun 23 23:32:29 <singmajesty> Yo
Jun 23 23:33:10 <PatrickC> see PM
Jun 23 23:38:14 <singmajesty> Opera Swordfish RC looks pretty cool
Jun 23 23:38:22 <singmajesty> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam
Jun 23 23:40:11 <PatrickC> is it for webOS? :)
Jun 23 23:41:10 <PatrickC> and is it webkit?
Jun 23 23:47:01 <singmajesty> Okay
Jun 23 23:47:03 <singmajesty> It's cool
Jun 23 23:47:12 <singmajesty> (but not compatible with all of Enyo right now)
Jun 23 23:47:49 <singmajesty> I prefer the developer tools in Opera for my other development
Jun 23 23:48:00 <PatrickC> I like Chromium for development
Jun 23 23:48:12 <halfhalo>  /me uses IE9
Jun 23 23:48:13 <halfhalo> BOOM
Jun 23 23:48:36 <Popple3> halfhalo: You sicken me.... :P
Jun 23 23:48:41 * halfhalo failed at me... he goes back to his corner
Jun 23 23:48:43 * PatrickC says "/me FAIL!"
Jun 23 23:49:08 <PatrickC> Popple3: get the invite?
Jun 23 23:49:49 <Popple3> Yeah, what exactly is the point of it? O.o
Jun 23 23:50:24 <PatrickC> its a better way to keep in touch
Jun 23 23:50:36 <PatrickC> share files, forum, group mailing, etc.
Jun 23 23:50:59 <PatrickC> makes it easier for me (I don't have to keep fwd'ing emails to people :P )
Jun 24 00:28:06 <wircer_enyo_6449> Oil- works here ;/
Jun 24 00:51:31 <dawm_> i wish the sms app would compress images.. or rather the camera optimixe before saving.. i hate sending sms pics.. takes forever if it even goes thru
Jun 24 01:10:52 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFlSG9_Ue4A EPIC.. and in 1080p!!
Jun 24 01:28:03 <LoneStar99> dawm_: pretty impressive vid
Jun 24 01:34:26 <dawm_> hrm
Jun 24 01:34:32 <dawm_> http://www.purevolume.com/new/loveautomatic
Jun 24 01:34:43 <dawm_> sounds exactly like deadmau5 but with kinda crappy vocals
Jun 24 01:35:35 <dawm_> http://blog.instapaper.com/post/6830514157
Jun 24 01:35:41 <dawm_> The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid
Jun 24 01:45:16 <NuttyBunny> I just spent 2:30 hours stuck in traffic, so I'll ask it here: Is there a way to change the grass picture in the exhibition clock background?
Jun 24 01:45:30 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 24 01:45:46 <PatrickC> you can make the actual clock app viewable in exhibition
Jun 24 01:47:06 <NuttyBunny> *sigh*  I'm just to angry right now, so, sorry to anyone if I'll answer you today in a rude manner
Jun 24 01:47:38 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 01:47:45 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: You can change the grass picture to whatever you want by diving into the correct folder and changing the file. http://www.precentral.net/exhibition-change-background-time-homebrew-webos-2-1
Jun 24 01:48:57 <PatrickC> really? awesome
Jun 24 01:49:28 <twbbas> You can change any image in webOS like that lol
Jun 24 01:49:57 <PatrickC> I could never, never find where exhibition lived
Jun 24 01:50:33 <twbbas> That's the hard part. Finding where the directory is
Jun 24 01:51:48 <NuttyBunny> I'm like a "jarrito de tlaquepaque" right now
Jun 24 01:52:08 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: mmm... well, I was hoping to skip that part.
Jun 24 01:52:19 <PatrickC> ooo
Jun 24 01:52:22 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: Yep. I wish they offered the option to change that wallpaper
Jun 24 01:52:26 <LoneStar99> ahas anyone messed with the camera api?
Jun 24 01:52:33 <twbbas> LoneStar: I have not... yet
Jun 24 01:52:38 <PatrickC> I found how to change the default quickview positions :P
Jun 24 01:52:45 <twbbas> quickview?
Jun 24 01:52:48 <NuttyBunny> I guess I'll sleep today under a soothing green light coming from 4 different webOS phones, each over a touchstone :)
Jun 24 01:52:55 <dawm_> god myspace sucks worse than it did 6 years ago
Jun 24 01:53:01 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: Tap on it to change to black!
Jun 24 01:53:14 <PatrickC> twbbas: the 4 icons in the bottom
Jun 24 01:53:22 <LoneStar99> myspace.. have not heard that word since 2006
Jun 24 01:53:23 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 24 01:53:26 <twbbas> PatrickC: heh. I'm surprised you didn't know that
Jun 24 01:53:38 <PatrickC> oh, I knew how to swap apps out
Jun 24 01:53:55 <PatrickC> but I know how to change the real *defaults* it places there on first run
Jun 24 01:54:01 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: don't wanna, I kinda like it :D
Jun 24 01:54:10 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: You crazy!
Jun 24 01:54:17 <PatrickC> we know that: :P
Jun 24 01:54:18 <twbbas> I like my dim black time
Jun 24 01:54:40 <dawm_> fuck.. cannot remember last name.. fail
Jun 24 01:54:43 <twbbas> There is 1wk 9hrs 7mins 44secs until the HP TouchPad launches
Jun 24 01:54:47 <twbbas> :D
Jun 24 01:55:03 <halfhalo> lies
Jun 24 01:55:08 <twbbas> Eastern time ^^
Jun 24 01:55:48 <twbbas> omg I just had the best idea if I lived in Chicago (or anywhere near the timezone change)
Jun 24 01:55:57 <twbbas> Go to eastern time zone to buy TouchPad an hr before where you live
Jun 24 01:56:02 <oil> lol
Jun 24 01:56:11 <LoneStar99> twbbas:  what day does the TP launch? July 9th?
Jun 24 01:56:15 <twbbas> 1st
Jun 24 01:56:22 <LoneStar99> oh yeah
Jun 24 01:56:27 <LoneStar99> keep forgetting
Jun 24 01:56:32 <twbbas> How can you forget!
Jun 24 01:56:46 <twbbas> This is like... the revolution of webOS!
Jun 24 01:56:48 <PatrickC> twbbas: who Is gonna sell it at 12AM? lol
Jun 24 01:57:01 <twbbas> It's based on 7am eastern time
Jun 24 01:57:10 <twbbas> I assume best buys open at 7
Jun 24 01:58:13 <PatrickC> I think best buy opens at 9AM
Jun 24 01:58:21 <twbbas> really? that seems late :o
Jun 24 01:58:28 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 01:58:32 * twbbas goes to check his local best buy's hours
Jun 24 01:58:37 <LoneStar99> lol, for some reason i had the 9th or 19th embedded in my brain
Jun 24 01:58:42 <PatrickC> walmart opens really early :P
Jun 24 01:58:53 <LoneStar99> go to a super walmart
Jun 24 01:59:15 <twbbas> WOW my local best buy opens at 10!
Jun 24 01:59:37 <twbbas> Wait, I just had an idea.... if Walmart is open 24hrs... does that mean I can buy a TouchPad at midnight?
Jun 24 02:00:06 <rwhitby> probably.  guess that's why they chose walmart
Jun 24 02:00:19 <LoneStar99> why not
Jun 24 02:00:26 <twbbas> Oh man. I have to adjust my countdown then
Jun 24 02:00:32 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 24 02:00:43 <twbbas> There is 1wk 2hrs 1min 43secs until the HP TouchPad launches
Jun 24 02:01:06 <twbbas> There is 1wk 2hrs 1min 21secs until the HP TouchPad launches in Walmart
Jun 24 02:01:08 <twbbas> :D
Jun 24 02:01:47 <twbbas> Precentral said today that Walmarts already have live demo units. Has anyone tried their local store?
Jun 24 02:02:11 <twbbas> I may run down to mine with Freetether locked and loaded
Jun 24 02:02:11 <Loudergood> nope, know where I'm going tomorrow though
Jun 24 02:02:24 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 24 02:02:26 <twbbas> (because they said the demo unit wasn't connected)
Jun 24 02:02:35 <PatrickC> they are wifi only units
Jun 24 02:02:44 <rwhitby> yeah, freetether should work well for demo touchpads
Jun 24 02:03:18 <oil> konamicode!
Jun 24 02:03:22 <oil> +netbook
Jun 24 02:03:23 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 24 02:03:25 <twbbas> haha start patching it
Jun 24 02:03:34 <rwhitby> install preware
Jun 24 02:03:37 <PatrickC> put preware+internalz
Jun 24 02:03:46 <PatrickC> change the boot logo
Jun 24 02:03:53 <PatrickC> copy the entire filesystem
Jun 24 02:03:55 <twbbas> install wIRC while you're at it and then come on here and tell us
Jun 24 02:04:02 <PatrickC> :P
Jun 24 02:04:17 <rwhitby> yeah, screenshot of wIRC on demo touchpad would get precentral front page easy
Jun 24 02:04:18 <oil>  /nick patricC_walmart
Jun 24 02:04:29 <PatrickC> I about did that :P
Jun 24 02:04:35 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 02:04:35 <twbbas> haha
Jun 24 02:04:39 <oil> wait for tp ready wirc :)
Jun 24 02:04:45 <PatrickC> how do you screenshot on a touchpad? lol
Jun 24 02:04:52 <twbbas> good question
Jun 24 02:04:53 <PatrickC> find, lumberjack HD
Jun 24 02:05:02 <twbbas> I guess blurry cam it up
Jun 24 02:05:12 <PatrickC> no blurry cam
Jun 24 02:05:19 <PatrickC> 1080P cam it up :)
Jun 24 02:05:25 <twbbas> uninstalled the blurry cam app?
Jun 24 02:05:37 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 02:05:55 <twbbas> there HAS to be a way to screenshot on touchpad
Jun 24 02:06:04 <twbbas> iPad is power and home button right?
Jun 24 02:06:11 <twbbas> Maybe same for TouchPad?
Jun 24 02:06:19 <PatrickC> the tp has no physical home buttom
Jun 24 02:06:21 <PatrickC> button*
Jun 24 02:06:27 <twbbas> it stil can register a press there though
Jun 24 02:06:55 <PatrickC> Voice Command "Take ScreenShot"
Jun 24 02:07:01 <twbbas> Haha, nice
Jun 24 02:07:22 <PatrickC> "Blame oil"
Jun 24 02:07:38 <twbbas> "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart"
Jun 24 02:07:57 <PatrickC> "webos20090606"
Jun 24 02:08:01 <twbbas> heh
Jun 24 02:08:05 <twbbas> voice command rooting!
Jun 24 02:08:07 <oil> #*DEVMODE#
Jun 24 02:08:11 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 02:08:16 <PatrickC> wIRC!
Jun 24 02:08:36 <PatrickC> "Where would I be, without wIRC"
Jun 24 02:08:38 <PatrickC> :P
Jun 24 02:09:03 <rwhitby> oil: new tagline
Jun 24 02:09:03 <twbbas> "On Android you have to go through an entire process to root. On webOS, you just say 'root.'"
Jun 24 02:09:16 <sugardave> there is fact is a clicky button on the touchpad face
Jun 24 02:09:17 <PatrickC> YES! :P
Jun 24 02:09:28 <sugardave> s/is fact/in fact/
Jun 24 02:09:36 <twbbas> Interesting
Jun 24 02:09:38 <Loudergood> konami code is easier for me to remember...I think I was 8 or 9 when I memorized it
Jun 24 02:09:38 <PatrickC> huh? really?
Jun 24 02:09:43 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 02:09:57 * twbbas didn't know what the konami code was until I bought my Pre
Jun 24 02:10:00 <oil> just a little older then PatrickC
Jun 24 02:10:03 * twbbas is embarassed
Jun 24 02:10:11 <dawm_> ugh
Jun 24 02:10:12 <Loudergood> and sugardave, do you know how to take a screenshit?
Jun 24 02:10:13 <oil> lol
Jun 24 02:10:17 <twbbas> :O!
Jun 24 02:10:18 <PatrickC> twbbas: same here
Jun 24 02:10:20 <twbbas> typo!
Jun 24 02:10:25 <sugardave> I don't think I want to know...
Jun 24 02:10:29 <dawm_> This application cannot run on your current operating system. Use the Updates app to install the system update and try again..
Jun 24 02:10:30 <oil> no, that was on purpose
Jun 24 02:10:31 <dawm_> really?
Jun 24 02:10:35 <Loudergood> tired, my fat ass just ran/walked a 15 minute mile
Jun 24 02:10:40 <dawm_> You're gonna mislead us like that?
Jun 24 02:10:59 * dawm_ runs the Updates app..
Jun 24 02:11:12 <PatrickC> dawm_: vzw pre2?
Jun 24 02:11:21 <dawm_> sprint pre-
Jun 24 02:11:31 <twbbas> Which app?
Jun 24 02:11:40 <dawm_> was trying to install a beta app
Jun 24 02:11:43 <dawm_> which apparently is 2.0
Jun 24 02:11:45 <twbbas> ah
Jun 24 02:11:51 <PatrickC> which beta?
Jun 24 02:11:53 <dawm_> what a weak ass 'error' message
Jun 24 02:11:53 <PatrickC> nDrive?
Jun 24 02:11:58 <dawm_> textone
Jun 24 02:12:03 <twbbas> metadoctor it
Jun 24 02:12:12 <PatrickC> wait, how'd you get the link? from dev?
Jun 24 02:12:19 <PatrickC> or did the feeds go back up?
Jun 24 02:12:25 <dawm_> facebook
Jun 24 02:12:27 <dawm_> but yes the dev
Jun 24 02:12:36 <twbbas> PatrickC: lol... how many times have you mentioned nDrive in the past week?
Jun 24 02:12:40 <dawm_> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_136142783103927&view=permalink&id=198966240154914
Jun 24 02:13:07 <PatrickC> twbbas: tons :P
Jun 24 02:13:15 <dawm_> hrm found one of my ex's on facebook.. bitch still has my wacom, if i atleast get that back i'll be happy
Jun 24 02:16:51 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: they called it the "whatsapp killer" :P
Jun 24 02:17:45 <PatrickC> dawm_: downloading ;)
Jun 24 02:18:27 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: meh... it will take a while until it reaches whatsapp status :P
Jun 24 02:19:05 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 02:19:12 <PatrickC> download it, and lets try it :)
Jun 24 02:19:15 <PatrickC> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.textone.app
Jun 24 02:19:37 <NuttyBunny> neato'ing the url ;)
Jun 24 02:19:47 <twbbas> text'ing the url
Jun 24 02:20:37 <twbbas> I really like on Android has the over-the-air installations when viewing the market on your computer
Jun 24 02:20:43 <PatrickC> you can probably guess my nick :P
Jun 24 02:20:50 <twbbas> PatrickC?
Jun 24 02:21:02 <PatrickC> yep lol
Jun 24 02:22:00 <twbbas> ok I closed app
Jun 24 02:22:03 <twbbas> trying the notifications
Jun 24 02:22:07 <twbbas> send me something :D
Jun 24 02:22:26 <PatrickC> sent
Jun 24 02:22:31 <twbbas> oh that's so cool!
Jun 24 02:22:44 <LoneStar> can this app run on emulator?
Jun 24 02:22:58 <twbbas> I'd assume so
Jun 24 02:23:04 <twbbas> If you can install it somehow
Jun 24 02:23:42 * twbbas wonders where the mojo messaging service went
Jun 24 02:23:59 <NuttyBunny> it died a horrible death
Jun 24 02:24:05 <NuttyBunny> forgotten :(
Jun 24 02:24:09 <twbbas> you're assuming it ever lived
Jun 24 02:24:13 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 02:24:22 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: dl'd?
Jun 24 02:24:40 <NuttyBunny> they said 2.x for Pixi didn't exist
Jun 24 02:25:25 <PatrickC> hehehe
Jun 24 02:25:29 <NuttyBunny> you still have to create contacts. it won't be a whatsapp killer.. move along
Jun 24 02:25:46 <PatrickC> its the first beta :P
Jun 24 02:26:08 <NuttyBunny> you have to create an account, you have to know your friends id
Jun 24 02:27:22 <NuttyBunny> Microsoft Word!  Y U NOT WORK! :@
Jun 24 02:28:23 <twbbas> because it has the ribbon
Jun 24 02:29:09 <NuttyBunny> Word is stuck, LibreOffice won't open it as well.. damn.. it's a HTML file!!
Jun 24 02:29:31 <PatrickC> Notepad++ FTW!!!!
Jun 24 02:30:18 <twbbas> notepad (normal) ftw
Jun 24 02:30:36 <PatrickC> eh
Jun 24 02:30:42 <PatrickC> not near as nice as np++
Jun 24 02:30:50 <summatusmentis> ooh, textone is cross platform, that's neat
Jun 24 02:30:56 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 02:31:01 <LoneStar99> komodo edit 6.x is awesome!
Jun 24 02:31:12 <PatrickC> I am awesome!
Jun 24 02:31:13 <LoneStar99> and is cross-platform
Jun 24 02:31:19 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 24 02:31:24 <dawm_> i only use komodo
Jun 24 02:31:29 <PatrickC> I (will be) cross-platform
Jun 24 02:31:40 <LoneStar99> i use eclipse and komodo
Jun 24 02:31:47 <LoneStar99> eclipse only for webos dev
Jun 24 02:32:03 <PatrickC> I use np++ only
Jun 24 02:32:58 <NuttyBunny> jedit is cross platform as well
Jun 24 02:33:02 <twbbas> programmer's notepad here
Jun 24 02:33:04 <NuttyBunny> and both have loaded the file now
Jun 24 02:33:11 <twbbas> eclipse back when I did mojo
Jun 24 02:34:13 <NuttyBunny> I still use eclipse, even for ****
Jun 24 02:35:59 <bpadalino> eclipse always feels so heavy and clunky to me ..
Jun 24 02:36:57 <summatusmentis> bah, vim is all you need
Jun 24 02:37:04 <oil> like a train smashin through!
Jun 24 02:37:14 <NuttyBunny> real men use "ed"
Jun 24 02:37:19 * oil uses eclipse
Jun 24 02:37:21 <Loudergood> summatusmentis: so you use the bloated version?
Jun 24 02:37:45 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: I do, I like that it indicates what mode I'm in
Jun 24 02:37:56 <summatusmentis> er... Loudergood
Jun 24 02:37:57 <LoneStar99> ok laters, time for dinner
Jun 24 02:38:04 <summatusmentis> that's not even a tabfail, I just can't read
Jun 24 02:38:07 <bpadalino> i thought real men used cat
Jun 24 02:38:10 * Loudergood waits for someone to come out an admit that they run the emulator in emacs
Jun 24 02:38:25 <oil> that would be rwhitby
Jun 24 02:38:50 <bpadalino> fact
Jun 24 02:38:58 <NuttyBunny> and oil just summoned rwhitby who will appear in 3... 2...
Jun 24 02:39:06 <Loudergood> my work is done here.
Jun 24 02:39:14 <oil> lol
Jun 24 02:40:06 <summatusmentis> so, when the pre3 doesn't come out on sprint, who wants to sell me their pre2?
Jun 24 02:43:21 <Tibfib> sublime text 2 wins
Jun 24 02:55:59 <Tibfib> YA YA YA YA eb
Jun 24 02:56:04 <Tibfib> oops.
Jun 24 02:56:07 <Tibfib> lemme paste that right
Jun 24 02:56:11 <Tibfib> http://twitter.com/#!/jaaksi/status/84090215198769152
Jun 24 02:57:40 <Tibfib> hey and richard is using it too http://twitpic.com/5fpn5i
Jun 24 02:58:40 * summatusmentis goes to work on app UI
Jun 24 02:59:53 * Tibfib is happy
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