**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 26 02:59:57 2011 Jun 26 03:00:09 I dual-majored in undergrad Jun 26 03:01:21 I want to get a Spanish minor but it just won't work out Jun 26 03:01:21 Ok, so, Mexico is CONCACAF champion. We can move on now ;) Jun 26 03:01:30 Congratulations Jun 26 03:01:31 :D Jun 26 03:02:06 twbbas: just work harder, it'll work out Jun 26 03:02:12 >_> Jun 26 03:02:48 Yeah but I have to take like 18+ credit semesters starting this fall Jun 26 03:03:03 I could do summer courses Jun 26 03:03:04 heh, good luck with that Jun 26 03:03:55 find it much harder to root against Mexico like I used to w/ Chicharito. Jun 26 03:31:54 i want Jun 26 03:31:55 a new Jun 26 03:31:57 PHONE Jun 26 03:32:04 * twbbas does too Jun 26 03:34:11 * Epyon22 is worried he wont end up with a pre3 Jun 26 03:34:21 i'm so conflicted Jun 26 03:34:29 my pre- can't come with me to college Jun 26 03:34:35 so either i do a frankenpre2 Jun 26 03:34:38 or nexus s Jun 26 03:34:50 why not? Jun 26 03:35:17 its dying Jun 26 03:35:19 lol Jun 26 03:35:25 plus with 2.1, its slow Jun 26 03:35:28 i don't have patience Jun 26 03:35:56 but i feel like i couldn't deal with Android Jun 26 03:36:02 i've used it frequently and its.. Jun 26 03:36:06 yeah Jun 26 03:36:27 this community is where i like to be, and i want to be apart of the OSI and i want to be apart of making Palm and HP go places Jun 26 03:36:30 I want an Evo 3D but im holding out for the Pre 3 Jun 26 03:36:38 Pre 2 is nice, but I want touch to share Jun 26 04:14:47 i hate events Jun 26 04:21:57 * PatrickC wanders in Jun 26 04:25:02 hmm.. did someone in here tip WOR about Sam's club? Jun 26 04:25:25 I'm just wondering as I was talking about it earlier today, and now its on there :) Jun 26 04:26:33 probably Jun 26 04:26:37 i think there was a P|C thread too Jun 26 04:28:07 this was a front page story on WOR :D Jun 26 04:28:28 Sam's Club Undercutting Retailers on HP TouchPad Price at Launch @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/sams-club-undercutting-retailers-on-hp-touchpad-price-at-launch/ Jun 26 04:28:44 I saw that, I'm compelled Jun 26 04:28:45 and people are complaining about sprint in the comments too :P Jun 26 04:29:29 id buy one (if I had $478) Jun 26 04:30:30 +tax Jun 26 04:30:38 NEWSFLASH: You CAN Pre-Order HP TouchPad at Best Buy Retail Stores! (Plus Incentives?) @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/newsflash-you-can-pre-order-a-hp-touchpad-best-buy-retail-stores-plus-incentives/ Jun 26 04:30:43 people are always complaining about sprint Jun 26 04:30:51 yeah, the 9.75% sales tax here :S Jun 26 04:30:55 hell, I'm always complaining about sprint Jun 26 04:31:04 haha Jun 26 04:31:06 same here Jun 26 04:31:08 good man Jun 26 04:32:12 just not publically Jun 26 04:32:18 I mutter to myself about it a lot though Jun 26 04:32:33 lol Jun 26 04:32:52 you complain publicly here :) Jun 26 04:36:12 yes, that's true Jun 26 04:38:39 lol Jun 26 04:38:42 oh my god i love peanut m&ms Jun 26 04:38:55 ^^ YES!!! Jun 26 04:39:08 + pepsi Jun 26 04:39:10 = Jun 26 04:39:14 developer incentive Jun 26 04:39:19 resices peicies ftw Jun 26 04:39:26 the pretzels ones are good too Jun 26 04:41:08 Epyon22: Reese's Jun 26 04:41:15 :) Jun 26 04:41:20 lol Jun 26 04:41:31 hehe Jun 26 04:41:49 dohtem: spelling has never been my strong point Jun 26 04:41:50 now I'm craving some Jun 26 04:41:53 lol Jun 26 04:44:00 grr... Jun 26 04:44:10 * PatrickC mumbles "Stupid Preware" Jun 26 04:44:46 what? preware doesnt have reeses peices? Jun 26 04:45:57 it installed an app and the app doesn't show up in the launcher... Jun 26 04:46:19 not cool Jun 26 04:46:35 yeah :/ Jun 26 04:46:46 I found the apps dir and deleted it manually ;) Jun 26 04:50:27 heres a protip Jun 26 04:50:31 don't delete your webos projoect Jun 26 04:50:56 lol Jun 26 04:50:56 lol Jun 26 04:50:59 lol Jun 26 04:51:07 because it will make you work your ass off Jun 26 04:51:09 for like an hour Jun 26 04:51:10 like i did Jun 26 04:51:14 because i had to redo everything Jun 26 04:54:17 I wish Shoutcast was more clear with their licensing :/ Jun 26 04:54:40 call them Jun 26 04:55:35 I posted on their forums Jun 26 04:58:17 "You may not charge users a separate fee for the specific use of an Application." Jun 26 04:58:37 does that mean if Shoutcast is just *one* of *many* features, I can't charge? Jun 26 04:59:33 * rwhitby mumbles stupid PatrickC, since luna restart is controlled by the app providing the right flags to Preware Jun 26 04:59:59 rwhitby: huh? Jun 26 05:00:36 he said you're stupid Jun 26 05:00:41 :P Jun 26 05:00:52 I saw that.. but what about a luna restart? Jun 26 05:00:58 it needed a rescan.. Jun 26 05:01:18 get that patch by jason robitaille Jun 26 05:01:25 it has rescan, garbage collect, and toggle devmode Jun 26 05:01:33 rescan applications* Jun 26 05:01:37 PatrickC: so how many people do you think use Preware to install apps? Jun 26 05:01:39 preware usually rescans all by itself Jun 26 05:01:50 rwhitby: thousands Jun 26 05:01:53 billions Jun 26 05:02:07 PatrickC: and if Preware was not telling webOS to rescan, how many of those people do you think would be reporting that problem every day? Jun 26 05:02:09 lol Jun 26 05:02:11 I wish Jun 26 05:02:18 rod, they just endure the hardships Jun 26 05:02:25 rwhitby: thousands Jun 26 05:02:33 PatrickC: so in the balance of things, how likely do you think that this is a bug in Preware? Jun 26 05:02:36 trillions Jun 26 05:02:53 it was just weird for it to do it 2 times in a row.. I thought Jun 26 05:02:58 everyone was too intimidated to report the bugs Jun 26 05:03:01 ive never had it happen Jun 26 05:03:13 PatrickC: and you haven't considered the possibility that it might be your specific device at fault? Jun 26 05:03:33 Epyon22: ice never had it happen on this device, or any other device before either Jun 26 05:03:53 I never even knew the rescan button was there (till Loudeegood pointed it out) Jun 26 05:05:17 unless there is a way for the dev's to go through it, it would almost be impossible to debug it Jun 26 05:05:29 palm-log Jun 26 05:05:36 and set the flags to high? Jun 26 05:05:47 well.. I'm tired, fixed my issue, and I'm off to bed Jun 26 05:05:53 thanks Loudergood and rwhitby Jun 26 05:06:07 is there actually a rescan button? Jun 26 05:06:11 oh Jun 26 05:06:13 yeah Jun 26 05:06:14 in preware Jun 26 05:06:17 i thought you meant in webos Jun 26 05:06:19 in luna manager Jun 26 05:06:24 yeah Jun 26 05:06:25 lol Jun 26 05:06:55 I'm off for the night, cya and goodnight Jun 26 05:08:09 rod i have a specific question regarding enyo that i know can be answered by looking at the source code for Tweaks or another app with sliding panes, is there any way i can look at them? Jun 26 05:09:40 Jake_M: have you asked the question in the appropriate early access place? Jun 26 05:10:51 i posted a thread about the question about an hour or 2 ago with one response that sends me in the correct place, but since i know of an app that has what i needed complete, i figured i'd ask Jun 26 05:10:58 posted in the EAP Jun 26 06:13:56 reload, refresh, redraw, repaint, ARRGH! Jun 26 06:14:18 * dohtem is mixing up languages & frameworks :( Jun 26 06:14:41 well Jun 26 06:39:02 i need someone who knows enyo :( Jun 26 06:59:41 does webos use css2 or 3 Jun 26 08:20:33 * sugardave makes Google Analytics his bitch. Jun 26 08:20:35 finally Jun 26 08:21:11 lol Jun 26 08:21:41 guys Jun 26 08:54:41 guys Jun 26 08:54:45 no more geo restrictions Jun 26 08:54:49 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-veer/285894-has-appcat-been-changed.html Jun 26 10:08:01 sweet well Jun 26 10:08:07 geo restrictions are gone Jun 26 10:08:09 or are almost gone Jun 26 10:08:11 hooray Jun 26 11:05:52 i like webos. Jun 26 11:05:53 its cool Jun 26 11:05:55 very slick Jun 26 11:55:45 hello.. Jun 26 15:37:57 Can anyone confirm this? https://twitter.com/#!/uNiXpSyChO/status/85005760844677120 Jun 26 15:41:05 lol Jun 26 15:50:59 hello. Jun 26 15:51:37 i am makin an app in sdk 3.0 ...i want to make alarm active how can i do that?? Jun 26 15:51:41 twbbas, would it be a problem? Jun 26 15:53:18 glen_: did you sign an NDA that doesn't allow you to discuss 3.0 stuff in public? (just wondering) Jun 26 15:53:39 phoque: Not for me but I was just wondering if it was a legal problem. But, I think that HP wouldn't do it if it unless it was legal Jun 26 15:53:47 no ..actually Jun 26 15:54:04 glen_: Then someone else broke their NDA to give you the sdk Jun 26 15:54:34 Either way, no one will be able to help you since everyone else signed the NDA Jun 26 15:54:45 i dont know.. Jun 26 15:54:55 Are you on the developer forums? Jun 26 15:54:58 glen_: 3.0 stuff goes in the Palm private forum, to which you have access if you signed the NDA) Jun 26 15:55:32 presently am making in 2.5 version.. Jun 26 15:55:55 i guess if u can help me with that Jun 26 15:56:02 2.5? Jun 26 15:56:07 I don't think there's a 2.5 SDK Jun 26 15:56:11 2. sumthng Jun 26 15:56:12 me neither :-) Jun 26 15:56:28 but its a prevous version Jun 26 15:56:52 glen_: Have you seen this? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/alarms.html Jun 26 15:57:05 exactly... Jun 26 15:57:16 for what perpose it is? Jun 26 15:57:29 It's the documentation on alarms Jun 26 15:57:36 There are examples in there Jun 26 15:57:50 alarms as in "scheduled events" Jun 26 15:57:55 not the ones that wake you up in the morning Jun 26 15:58:04 don't know wich kind you're after Jun 26 15:58:06 k i have seen in service ..can u tel me what is this code 4? Jun 26 15:58:07 http://www.pastie.org/2124346 Jun 26 15:58:38 glen_, it's an assistant that lets you set alarms Jun 26 15:59:27 k phoque...but what to put in the uri? Jun 26 15:59:40 what URI? Jun 26 16:00:03 in var prams Jun 26 16:00:04 the one to the service? Jun 26 16:00:04 palm://com.palm.power/timeout Jun 26 16:00:31 "Windows Security 2011 has found critical process activity on your PC and will perform fast scan of system files!!" (Nice one, I use Linux) ;) Jun 26 16:00:45 hah Jun 26 16:00:51 heh Jun 26 16:01:11 i switch to Windows every now and then for PHotoshop and some games Jun 26 16:01:21 it took 10 minutes for scareware to take over my system Jun 26 16:01:39 yay for Linux Jun 26 16:01:42 I guess :-) Jun 26 16:02:18 scareware? Jun 26 16:02:26 pseudo-virusscanner Jun 26 16:02:35 if you got crap on your system, that's still your fault ... Jun 26 16:02:40 that says "wtfbbq, your system is completely infected, buy full version!" Jun 26 16:02:50 if it only took 10 min, then perhaps you shouldn't use IE or warez ;) Jun 26 16:02:52 no, I searched on Google Pictures Jun 26 16:02:58 clicked on a picture Jun 26 16:03:00 Firefox crashed Jun 26 16:03:10 and my computer was infected Jun 26 16:03:44 phoque: yes, my gf's sister called: "my son dropped some virus on the machine, can you help?" it was one of those :@ Jun 26 16:04:44 phoque: in required parameters...what is uri n params? Jun 26 16:05:24 glen_, the URI to your app/method Jun 26 16:05:37 there's an Example you know? Jun 26 16:05:49 no.. Jun 26 16:05:52 yes Jun 26 16:06:11 whatt example? Jun 26 16:06:15 on the docs page Jun 26 16:07:15 k i wl c to that...n before making active do i need to sore nythn in database.. Jun 26 16:07:31 i mean alarm name n time set by user... Jun 26 16:07:39 as I said Jun 26 16:07:43 what ol i have to do 4 that Jun 26 16:07:50 they're not the kind that wake you up in the morning Jun 26 16:08:00 "name and time set by user" sounds like that kind Jun 26 16:08:07 yes Jun 26 16:09:19 i am ready wi the UI now can u tellwhat i have to do...? Jun 26 16:09:38 i man to store alarm name n then makin it active? Jun 26 16:10:15 as I said, "alerts" are something different Jun 26 16:11:12 then what to do for this thing.. Jun 26 16:13:07 i mean can this assistant help me in ny way?"http://www.pastie.org/2124346 Jun 26 16:14:23 I don't know and I don't have enough time to help that much, sorry Jun 26 16:15:05 okay.. Jun 26 16:15:16 thnx nyways:) Jun 26 16:21:24 i thought i wud get help here:( Jun 26 16:22:16 sunday, morning, really? but as I said, go to the Palm forums, you may get better help over there Jun 26 16:23:19 does anybody know of a synergy messaging service to take as a code-example? Jun 26 16:23:40 Ok, I have mustaches, hats, glasses, wigs. I think of ties, beards... anything else? Jun 26 16:24:02 NuttyBunny, what?! :-) Jun 26 16:24:05 phoque: Take Greg's plugins and the integration with Pidgin, that might help Jun 26 16:24:19 phoque: Photofun type app :D Jun 26 16:24:29 ah Jun 26 16:24:35 glasses? Jun 26 16:24:52 ah, dang Jun 26 16:24:55 you had them alredy Jun 26 16:25:31 backgrounds if you do image segmentation Jun 26 16:26:03 Instead of backgrounds I'm doing frames/photos with face holes Jun 26 16:34:23 http://blog.mongolab.com/?p=23 <- XML should die in a fire Jun 26 16:37:49 JSON FTW! Jun 26 16:38:16 you've obviously never used XSLT Jun 26 16:38:19 it makes XML > JSON Jun 26 16:40:04 I didn't even used XML that much... at that time I stopped being a webmaster and entered a networking job.... I returned to web programing a little while ago, and I'm into JSON because of webOS :) Jun 26 16:58:47 ... wait... what? the guy can come up with 3 ways to represent a name, but only one { "first-name" : "John", "last-name" : "Smith" }? Jun 26 17:00:24 "all you need to do is call eval on a JSON string to obtain a first-class Javascript object. This is huge." ... sure, this is also bad if the "json" object you expect to get back is js code... Jun 26 17:01:19 eval is evil! Jun 26 17:02:39 anyways, it's not like dealing with json parsers in languages outside of javascript is not unlike dealing with xml ... parse trees, etc Jun 26 17:03:36 that being said, I prefer debugging with json to debugging with xml Jun 26 17:11:12 9 downloads in 3 days for an app for a product and app catalog thats not even live yet. Jun 26 17:11:20 woo Jun 26 17:11:27 rwatkins: btw, I solved that shit Jun 26 17:11:32 sugardave: ya, saw! what was it? Jun 26 17:11:47 search your ga.js for "Mojo" Jun 26 17:11:51 and that's it Jun 26 17:11:53 uh oh Jun 26 17:12:24 so, my solution means you can't include it in depends.js, BUT you can still do it without having to include a local copy Jun 26 17:12:54 rwatkins, same here, 10 downloads :-) Jun 26 17:13:06 heh, this is good news Jun 26 17:13:09 function p() { Jun 26 17:13:09 return true; /* Mojo apps are loaded via the file protocol, so return true here to enable tracking */ Jun 26 17:13:13 } Jun 26 17:13:15 ? Jun 26 17:13:22 that's the one Jun 26 17:13:39 have to load the script, regexp that change, then execute it Jun 26 17:13:41 works great Jun 26 17:14:37 maybe your copy also removed the original line, they do a check to make sure they're NOT loading from file://, but we need it Jun 26 17:14:55 right - I grabbed my copy from findapps, not Google. :) Jun 26 17:15:02 yep yep Jun 26 17:15:24 so the function name is different in the new version, otherwise I could have found wherever p is buried and overrode it Jun 26 17:16:09 so you were working with googles version of ga.js? needed to find that and fix it like findapps? or is there some other elusive bug I'm missing? Jun 26 17:16:33 that's it, I can send you my tester if you want to see how it all works now Jun 26 17:16:44 ya, that'd be great Jun 26 17:17:08 right now I cant seem to get setCustomVar working - have you tried that yet? Jun 26 17:18:21 no, I've only done trackPageview and trackEvent Jun 26 17:18:26 want to try and use that to segment activity bu app version, os version and devicde. Jun 26 17:18:29 you guys using analytics in your apps? Jun 26 17:18:36 s/devicde/device/ Jun 26 17:18:47 ya Jun 26 17:19:01 dohtem: I'm just trying to make it easy for everybody else :D Jun 26 17:19:05 may take a look at metrix, but at that point there was no enyo version. Jun 26 17:19:24 sugardave: good - let me know when you get customVars working :) Jun 26 17:19:29 heh Jun 26 17:20:20 nice. I'd like to use it too Jun 26 17:21:08 enyo could easily have and very much benefit from an ecosystem of opensource kinds. Jun 26 17:21:45 much easier to accomplish w/ enyo model than the mojo model. Jun 26 17:22:05 oh hell yeah Jun 26 17:22:08 to both Jun 26 17:22:23 dohtem: email? I can send it to you so you can play around with it Jun 26 17:23:11 pm'd Jun 26 17:24:03 Why didnt HP just make it so you could turn any standard HTML5 page into an app instead of trying to get people to use such an abstract framework that is similar but not quite the same even though it still uses html5 etc Jun 26 17:24:49 for instance, then a dev could take one page, and deploy for many browsers, IE9, Chrome, Safari, WebOS, Android, IOS, etc Jun 26 17:25:03 CTLAdvance: You can, you're not tied down to Mojo/Enyo Jun 26 17:25:06 CTLAdvance: they have, you just need to know the magic stageReady() command Jun 26 17:25:15 CTLAdvance: go right ahead Jun 26 17:25:44 anyone know if there's any basis to this claim that app catalog geo restrictions are being lifted? http://forums.precentral.net/hp-veer/285894-has-appcat-been-changed.html Jun 26 17:25:52 if (window.PalmSystem) {PalmSystem.stageReady();} Jun 26 17:26:01 No such change for me unfortunately :( Jun 26 17:28:26 ah when did we have this added? Jun 26 17:28:44 uh, when it came out? Jun 26 17:28:51 2 yrs ago? Jun 26 17:28:52 Enyo or Mojo? Jun 26 17:28:55 really Jun 26 17:28:56 CTLAdvance: it's been in since Mojo Jun 26 17:28:58 really Jun 26 17:29:03 truly Jun 26 17:29:05 lol Jun 26 17:29:06 ok Jun 26 17:29:15 never needed to do anything like that in mojo Jun 26 17:29:33 not that its a big deal Jun 26 17:29:50 you wanna write it with jquery mobile, go right ahead. or from scratch on your own. Jun 26 17:30:02 developer choice ftw Jun 26 17:30:07 yes I agree Jun 26 17:30:39 excellent I guess, hopefully in 1-2 weeks ill have a touchpad then to test with Jun 26 17:30:50 sugardave: Although at the same time, consistent UX FTW Jun 26 17:31:03 Popple3: yeah, that's a good point Jun 26 17:31:49 depends. gmail is not so much consistent UX with twitter. but seems to still work well. Jun 26 17:32:13 but imo, users expect apps to be consistent to a point Jun 26 17:32:25 web pages to the average user != apps Jun 26 17:32:33 thats not my point Jun 26 17:32:34 maybe less so when people dont really care whether an app is a program on their PC or a website. Jun 26 17:32:52 what I meant was that you could deploy a consistent html5 app/game across many platforms Jun 26 17:33:09 so its consistent, and consistent branding ftw! Jun 26 17:33:11 mom and pop dont use an email client anymore, they now use gmail. Jun 26 17:33:27 webOS Eudora Jun 26 17:33:31 and get along fine going between gmail, twitter, google docs and excel. Jun 26 17:33:50 rwatkins: I guess if it's just done right, consistency with others doesn't matter as much Jun 26 17:34:10 So now I can take an almost identical app and deploy on ios/android in phonegap and also a very similar app on webOS Jun 26 17:34:42 anyone know if they updated webkit in 3.0 Jun 26 17:34:50 Popple3: I do *like* UI/UX consistency - it just looks nice to me, but most people really dont care, and I think are fine with it. websites ahve trained people to learn its not all the same. Jun 26 17:34:53 or are we still rocking like its 2009 Jun 26 17:35:01 CTLAdvance: I'm referring to consistency between apps on the same platform. An Enyo app will look and feel different to jQuery Mobile app. Of course, it can be done right, and I'm not saying you shouldn't Jun 26 17:35:03 CTLAdvance: "updated" is a reltive term Jun 26 17:35:07 relative, too Jun 26 17:35:22 I think it's "updated" but how far? Jun 26 17:35:29 rwatkins: Good point. like vs. need Jun 26 17:35:37 moooooooo Jun 26 17:35:53 halfhalo: sudo apt-get moo Jun 26 17:36:08 no, its sudo apt-get cow Jun 26 17:36:29 O.o No, it's moo... Unless there's another one I'm unaware of Jun 26 17:36:48 "updated" it to not crash when you toggle class names on the body tag? Jun 26 17:37:13 no like supporting more features in html5/css3 Jun 26 17:37:17 Also, I just realised I put a stupid easter egg in a web app in work, probably should've probably removed it before handing in my code :/ Jun 26 17:37:24 lol Jun 26 17:37:31 oops Jun 26 17:37:56 I think more fixing performance issues with shoving around alot more pixels than html5 features. Jun 26 17:38:00 I left webOS in March for these delays, hoping to get some new devices soon that arent named Veer Jun 26 17:38:02 when you type in sudo apt-get moo into the search box, it displays the ascii cow. lol Jun 26 17:38:17 and have updated support Jun 26 18:23:30 don't forget aptitude moo Jun 26 18:38:32 debian stable is so anal that they disabled moo Jun 26 18:39:40 Loudergood: uhm, no? Jun 26 18:39:51 really? Jun 26 18:39:57 yeah you idiot Jun 26 18:40:20 nice Jun 26 18:42:42 which debian stable Jun 26 18:43:10 I have it in squeeze Jun 26 19:47:06 rwatkins: I think I have a setCustomVar method now...waiting for results Jun 26 19:47:25 make sure you do another trackEvent after setting a custom variable for it to go on Jun 26 19:48:29 yea, I was doing that, but somehow not getting events Jun 26 19:49:04 my app is no-window, so thought it might be due to setting them there Jun 26 19:49:20 something special about the non-window, but that doesnt appear to be the case. Jun 26 19:49:29 ah, maybe so....wireshark told me it's working, but google is slow Jun 26 20:09:18 * PatrickC wanders in Jun 26 20:50:37 grrrrrr Jun 26 20:50:53 WHAT Jun 26 20:51:00 I can't access my site... can someone try going to http://simpletutorials.org ? Jun 26 20:51:47 I was in the middle of setting up a .htaccess and it shut down :/ Jun 26 20:52:28 works-ish Jun 26 20:52:30 I can access the FTP fine to upload/download though... Jun 26 20:52:31 Unable to connect to database. Jun 26 20:52:32 error Jun 26 20:52:42 same error I'm getting.. Jun 26 20:52:48 I'll let my admin know.. Jun 26 20:53:02 heh Jun 26 20:53:20 * PatrickC mumbles at x10 Jun 26 20:53:29 they're free though . . . Jun 26 20:54:47 can't really complain.. I'm not paying for it.... Jun 26 20:55:20 and it shows! ;D Jun 26 20:55:29 heh Jun 26 20:55:36 it worked fine.. (till now) Jun 26 20:55:52 maybe that metered site I was gonna use is better... Jun 26 20:56:32 I guess "UNMETERED Disk Space Jun 26 22:31:02 the buzz is interesting now that apotheker has opened up the licensing speculation Jun 26 22:31:23 the stuff like "HP's webOS could find footing among OEM partners such as Samsung, Motorola and Sony, which have grown frustrated with competing against low-cost Android smartphone and tablet entries" Jun 26 22:31:47 the only people i trust are like Jun 26 22:31:49 HTC and Samsung Jun 26 22:32:30 well, it's a good point. if they can license in order to get a wider set of devices but be very choosy on what is put to market, that would set them apart Jun 26 22:32:44 heh, the source of that story was some analyst who was talking about a hypothetical scenario he dreamed up. then the story headline reports it as if it's something that those companies have actually considered. Jun 26 22:32:59 of course, it's all speculation Jun 26 22:33:04 but it's a neat idea Jun 26 22:33:20 i think it would be interesting...but i don't want them putting their crap on webOS or changing it or locking it down Jun 26 22:34:19 well, the terms can be whatever HP says, as long as theres a buyer Jun 26 22:34:25 and if they're disgruntled with google, why not Jun 26 22:34:58 i mean thats definitely a good "rebound" type thing Jun 26 22:35:14 like they're pissed off with google, but don't have another option, here comes HP Jun 26 22:35:30 exactly Jun 26 22:36:33 why are HP pissed at Google? Jun 26 22:36:44 no Jun 26 22:36:46 OEMs are Jun 26 22:36:59 why? Jun 26 22:37:12 OEM partners such as Samsung, Motorola and Sony, which have grown frustrated with competing against low-cost Android smartphone and tablet entries Jun 26 22:37:27 um, some analyst hypothesises that OEMs are pissed at Google. Don't mistake that for fact. Jun 26 22:37:44 and like rod said, its all in theory Jun 26 22:37:54 i thought there was at least one quote to back it up Jun 26 22:37:59 maybe not Jun 26 22:37:59 why not? the news media, and likely some shareholders are I'm sure ;) Jun 26 22:38:14 cxreg: I'm sure that quote was taken fully in context too ... Jun 26 22:38:17 :) Jun 26 22:39:32 h there Jun 26 22:39:58 see all they need to do is make a game of thrones branded pre3 Jun 26 22:40:02 instant millions Jun 26 22:40:29 anyone here with knowledge about synergy and the messaging app? Jun 26 22:41:12 cxreg: and a Tyrion themed veer Jun 26 22:41:22 lol Jun 26 22:41:36 oh god Jun 26 22:41:56 getting dinklage to do ads for the veer is brilliant Jun 26 22:42:08 they should jump on that Jun 26 22:51:11 * dohtem is hoping the NDA will be lifted in the next 5 days Jun 26 22:52:10 * Popple3 echos dohtem's hope Jun 26 22:52:45 highly doubtful Jun 26 22:53:32 it'd be nice if the SDK for a version became public on the release day for once Jun 26 22:53:48 2 took way too long Jun 26 22:54:15 2 wasn't public until PreCentral posted that rant Jun 26 22:54:41 https://twitter.com/richardkerris/status/78813070788534272 based on this, it should be lifted in the next 5 days Jun 26 22:59:03 oooooh Jun 26 23:00:21 however it was worded in such a way that it wouldn't be a lie if NDA was lifted after Jun 26 23:00:28 I wonder how they could possibly have a broader beta then they do Jun 26 23:00:48 he's a VP, I'd expect him to be an expert at CYA techniques Jun 26 23:02:29 also, has anyone been able to confirm this? http://www.precentral.net/app-catalog-geo-restrictions-thing-past Jun 26 23:04:12 I was noticing earlier that I can now buy 2.1 only apps on my meta doctored pre2 Jun 26 23:04:22 this wasn't quite possible before Jun 26 23:04:33 Loudergood: That was a bug though, no? Jun 26 23:04:42 right.. Jun 26 23:04:47 not a clue... I can buy 2.1-only apps on my pre2 Jun 26 23:04:52 but they may have rolled them into the same server update Jun 26 23:05:01 but, I didn't have to metadoctor mien Jun 26 23:05:04 I couldn't buy them before Jun 26 23:05:21 because I put a verizon back on a GSM one way back when Jun 26 23:05:41 the profile still thinks it's a pre plus Jun 26 23:06:35 That'd be it so, coz there was an issue with installing 2.x only apps on Pre-/+ Jun 26 23:07:21 right Jun 26 23:07:30 pretty sure that's fixed since I can now buy wirc Jun 26 23:07:45 Loudergood: I think it was actually a submission problem Jun 26 23:07:58 that's true Jun 26 23:08:28 but still, yeah, seems to fixed, unless it was because Adora pushed it through herself or something Jun 26 23:08:52 I had that issue. To buy apps I have to sign into my Palm Profile on my 2.1 metadoctored Pre-, then use Impostah to get the apps on my Pre 2. Awkward as hell :( Jun 26 23:09:57 * rwatkins is wondering if there is an enyo-ized version of Lumberjack anywhere Jun 26 23:14:25 rwatkins: It's being worked on. Screenshots have been shared by webOS Internals Jun 26 23:14:25 (with consent of dev relations, of coursE) Jun 26 23:14:25 *course Jun 26 23:15:20 ya, saw. just wondering if I could procure a working one, or if the old one worked on the TP. Jun 26 23:15:41 on device log review would be .... handy at the moment. Jun 26 23:19:23 rwatkins http://www.precentral.net/screenshots-touchpad-s-wirc-client-approved Jun 26 23:19:37 oh you've seen sorry nevermind Jun 26 23:19:55 at the moment looking to "use", not "see". Jun 26 23:19:57 i havent looks cool Jun 26 23:22:03 there's always /var/log/messages Jun 26 23:23:09 palm-run gives you a log Jun 26 23:26:25 hi Jun 26 23:26:47 success! Jun 26 23:27:10 hi jake! Jun 26 23:27:55 can you guys help me get a webos emulator i have ubuntu 1104 and maybe also get my nuron 5230 nokia to dualboot it Jun 26 23:29:23 well the sdk should has an emulator built in Jun 26 23:30:01 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html Jun 26 23:30:26 i havent heard anything about putting it on another phone not a palm or hp product Jun 26 23:37:46 Success: Highly doubtful you'd ever manage to get it booting on another phone. Some people from the iDroid Project (Android on iPhone) tried it, and failed miserably Jun 26 23:38:34 thanks Jun 26 23:38:54 os is probably to hw specific at this point Jun 26 23:40:11 has to be > 1GHz Jun 26 23:40:15 especially Jun 26 23:40:40 nah, I have 2.1 on my Pre- with no OC Jun 26 23:40:53 thats your main phone? Jun 26 23:40:57 no Jun 26 23:40:57 lol Jun 26 23:40:58 or just to use on the side? Jun 26 23:41:12 yeah when the pre- 2.1 doesn't use cell data, it works fantastic Jun 26 23:41:14 my gf has 2.1 on her Pre- as her main phone though Jun 26 23:42:23 My Pre- has become a way to buy apps and charge spare batteries really :P (and the odd bit of testing) Jun 26 23:54:52 there is always var log messages, or areslog. but both a little less useful on the device w/o a usb connection to another pc. Jun 26 23:55:14 sshd! Jun 26 23:55:38 goal: check logs on device, w/o other device. Jun 26 23:56:27 You could always try Mojo Lumberjack and see if it works Jun 26 23:56:31 rwatkins_away: write an app for that... :) Jun 26 23:57:03 Popple3: thats what I'm about to do .. just seeing if any here could speak up to the enyo version Jun 26 23:57:18 so .. preware or build from git ... Jun 26 23:57:46 rwatkins: you might also check in #webos-internals if you haven't yet Jun 26 23:58:00 or, say "oil" Jun 26 23:58:03 oil: Jun 26 23:58:15 oil: lumberjack, enyo? Jun 26 23:58:26 oil: *poke* Jun 27 00:01:57 it exists Jun 27 00:02:16 we're aware :P Jun 27 00:04:14 im confused Jun 27 00:04:18 i installed everything Jun 27 00:04:25 i ran cmd line stuff Jun 27 00:04:31 where is the emlator Jun 27 00:04:36 and how do i develop Jun 27 00:04:39 Success: Have you got VirtualBox installed? Jun 27 00:04:40 the cmd line stuff workd Jun 27 00:04:45 4.0 Jun 27 00:04:49 iminstall 3.2 now Jun 27 00:04:52 downloading* Jun 27 00:05:04 yeah, 4.0 isn't compatible with the 2.x SDK Jun 27 00:05:36 also, it might be somewhat pointless learning Mojo now, with the TouchPad coming out on Friday with a likely NDA removal on Enyo Jun 27 00:06:06 theres still no enyo on phones Jun 27 00:06:08 so mojo is still useful Jun 27 00:06:26 for now Jun 27 00:06:47 but if you're only learning now... I guess it depends on how quickly you can pick it up Jun 27 00:06:48 https://twitter.com/#!/jaaksi/status/84655102719299584 Jun 27 00:14:10 hey, you never know! maybe there'll be a 1.4.5.2 and a 2.1.3 and it'll support enyo and all the carriers will push that update Soon (tm) Jun 27 00:14:31 oil: does it work enough to use? Jun 27 00:14:38 get log works Jun 27 00:14:56 tail log locks up webos if you scroll while its adding rows heh Jun 27 00:15:16 ah, heh Jun 27 00:15:29 mojo version work ok, just less pretty? Jun 27 00:15:38 i never tried it on 3.x Jun 27 00:16:00 hm Jun 27 00:16:00 I don't know why people think Enyo is inherently more pretty than Mojo. Jun 27 00:16:13 you can create exactly the same apps on both. Jun 27 00:16:21 lol Jun 27 00:16:28 sure, and the mojo widgets are actually more polished Jun 27 00:16:39 but the UI doesnt scale as well to larger resolutions. Jun 27 00:16:50 that's a fallacy too Jun 27 00:17:00 mojo widgets were clearly designed for a smaller display in portrait mode Jun 27 00:17:11 i dont mean actually scale, I mean look and work well. Jun 27 00:17:30 mojo apps at full-screen work nicely, and look great. Jun 27 00:17:38 example: confirm dialog that pops up from the bottom. works. looks like crap. Jun 27 00:17:49 you just need back buttons Jun 27 00:18:57 mojo wirc and preware work excelent at tp res Jun 27 00:19:18 I'm sure there are examples of mojo apps that scale well Jun 27 00:19:43 but the mojo widget set was not designed by a Designer with TP resolutions in mind. Jun 27 00:20:06 the reverse may be true too ;) Jun 27 00:20:08 mojo wirc looks great Jun 27 00:21:21 i for one like enyo Jun 27 00:22:22 i cant install 3.2 Jun 27 00:22:29 i honestly think the mojo widgets are generally more "polished" - the attention to detail in mojo was better than in enyo. But clearly some widgets fall down when scaled up to TP sizes. Jun 27 00:22:30 i says it conflicts with vbox ose Jun 27 00:26:04 i need a few testers. palm pre/pixi 1.4.5 & 2.1 are fine Jun 27 00:26:06 PM me Jun 27 00:53:46 so, ok.... Jun 27 00:54:32 smells like mojo to me Jun 27 00:54:50 haeffb-redacted: yesh? :P Jun 27 00:55:13 mojo it is Jun 27 01:00:42 still need testers :| Jun 27 01:01:05 Jake_M: What's it for? Jun 27 01:01:16 (as in, what's the app) Jun 27 01:01:17 maybe if you tempted people by telling them what it is... Jun 27 01:01:21 I saw that it's for phones Jun 27 01:02:35 oh sorry Jun 27 01:02:38 its webos world villo chat Jun 27 01:02:45 just wanted to see how it is with a few people Jun 27 01:02:52 Jake_M: Sure, I'll test it Jun 27 01:02:58 * Popple3 grabs USB cable Jun 27 01:03:41 Jake_M: illl test it too Jun 27 02:42:15 hrm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 27 02:59:57 2011