**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 27 02:59:57 2011 Jun 27 05:32:07 * PatrickC walks in Jun 27 08:12:48 hello, all Jun 27 08:15:26 yer Jun 27 08:15:31 hey/ Jun 27 08:21:14 How many people here use wIRC on your devices? Jun 27 08:22:11 I think 75% are sleeping so they might not answer :) Jun 27 08:22:37 But i think that nearly every IRC users in the WebOS channel has and use wirc Jun 27 08:22:50 lol, thought that was the case. Was looking for a smaller answer anyway. ;) Jun 27 08:22:58 cool Jun 27 08:23:21 May I ask why? Jun 27 08:24:11 Just doing a review on it for PC. Thought I'd ask (a little curious) Jun 27 08:24:25 Nice Jun 27 08:24:58 I am from EU, the US people will be here in about 4+ hours Jun 27 08:25:49 Yea, I generally don't sleep at night. It's why I'm up. Jun 27 08:26:57 I enjoy a good tech chat sometimes, though, so I'll probably stop back in here more often. Jun 27 08:27:21 Good idea Jun 27 08:32:36 * oil hopes the review is good Jun 27 08:54:24 I don't like the walmart videos of the touchpad Jun 27 08:55:00 oil: send him beer/money fast gogo Jun 27 08:55:00 they've obviously been running that "get to know the device app" and it slows down the device Jun 27 08:55:31 startup times for apps were as slow as a stock Pre - =/ Jun 27 08:55:51 but at least the UI was fast, thanks to the gpu Jun 27 08:58:43 * Legacy is also concerned about the Touchpad's battery life. Jun 27 08:59:06 you don't belive the 8 hours? Jun 27 09:02:19 Did they officially annouce it would have 8 hour battery life? Jun 27 09:02:50 someone said they heard it would have 9 hour battery life =P Jun 27 09:03:24 http://thetechjournal.com/electronics/tablet/hp-touchpad-vs-ipad-vs-xoom-vs-playbook-tablet.xhtml Jun 27 09:04:23 hmm there is no official on the site Jun 27 09:04:31 i have seen 8.3 in the forum but no official Jun 27 09:04:47 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/285415-hands-touchpad-battery-lasts-approx-8-3-hours.html Jun 27 09:07:55 hmm Jun 27 09:08:13 doesn't seem like an accurate way of testing battery life Jun 27 09:08:49 nopes Jun 27 09:10:45 I want it to be able to play back 13 episodes of Firefly on one charge, a la iPad Jun 27 09:11:24 Legacy, hah, that's a legitimate usecase Jun 27 09:11:51 exactly =P Jun 27 09:12:56 I think cell phones should be benchmarked in a similar way Jun 27 09:13:16 imean, that's how you benchmark tablets and laptops Jun 27 09:14:49 Once my Pre+ is done charging I'll see hour many hours of video playback it gets. haha Jun 27 09:15:04 I'm guessing, 2 and a half hours tops Jun 27 09:17:20 alright, be back in a couple of hours Jun 27 09:24:43 wtf is up with his quitmessage Jun 27 09:25:39 LOL! Jun 27 09:25:44 I was thinking the same thing Jun 27 09:26:06 people need to get fucking INTENSE with their battery tests Jun 27 09:26:37 I think if you can collectively get all the journalists to do hardcore combined multitasking rundowns the manufacturers will have to respond with hardcore batteries Jun 27 09:26:49 though ipad wouldn't be susceptible to this... Jun 27 09:26:52 damn you apple and your brilliance! Jun 27 09:27:09 just stream netflix HD on full brightness Jun 27 09:34:22 meh, this racist quit msg is f-ed up Jun 27 09:34:26 wtf? Jun 27 09:35:08 yer Jun 27 09:35:13 its kind of strange? Jun 27 09:35:32 strange? it's outright offensive Jun 27 09:35:52 bet he couldn't say that shit irl Jun 27 09:35:54 Yer but its strange to see something like that here Jun 27 09:36:56 meh, i deal with enough of it everywhere... irc is just another venue for faceless dipshits Jun 27 09:40:50 are you from usa? Jun 27 09:41:47 yeah Jun 27 09:42:57 moring every one Jun 27 09:43:41 *morning Jun 27 09:43:50 apparentlky i cant spell in the morning Jun 27 10:16:55 wow Jun 27 10:17:04 I finally caught up with my time tracking Jun 27 10:17:12 100 hours in total for webOS 3.0 apps Jun 27 10:19:58 you got any webos 3.0 device? Jun 27 10:20:03 nope Jun 27 10:20:04 :-/ Jun 27 10:49:25 hotdp, dohtem, that quitmsg is probably a script loading a random joke from a website Jun 27 10:49:43 and that website is poorly moderated Jun 27 10:53:12 phoque_uni: "joke" ? Jun 27 10:53:47 Hi ! Jun 27 10:54:01 3.0 is still under NDA, isn't it ? Jun 27 10:54:43 sure is Jun 27 10:58:40 ok Jun 27 11:00:16 hotdp, you know what I mean Jun 27 11:01:55 i do Jun 27 11:05:46 * rwhitby turns off all join, part and quit events in all my IRC clients Jun 27 11:06:02 make for a much less noisy and offensive experience Jun 27 11:06:16 rwhitby, you'll turn them back on half an hour later Jun 27 11:06:29 phoque_uni: no, I have them permanently turned off Jun 27 11:06:34 have done so for years Jun 27 11:06:35 or at least after talking to somebody who has left the room an hour ago Jun 27 11:06:46 that is what your tab completion will tell you Jun 27 11:06:48 phoque_uni: tab completion prevents that Jun 27 11:07:09 hmm Jun 27 11:07:34 I'd love if my IRC client knew what people are important to me by me mentioning them within the last x minutes Jun 27 11:07:45 and display their leave messages Jun 27 11:29:45 help. I'm installing eclipse with webos plugin Jun 27 11:30:21 I created a new app and now try to start it Jun 27 11:30:45 but eclipse complains "unable to find default device" Jun 27 11:31:05 Are your devices connected and i dev mode? Jun 27 11:32:17 no. I want to run in emulator Jun 27 11:32:47 the emulator comes from the SDK, runs fine from Start menu Jun 27 11:33:35 have you selected the emulator? Jun 27 11:33:40 should I start it before run app from eclipse? Jun 27 11:33:43 as runing devicde? Jun 27 11:34:07 no, I don't. it doesn't appear in the run configuration Jun 27 11:35:18 strange Jun 27 11:36:10 does it matter that the SDK is in E:\ instead of C:? Jun 27 11:36:25 nah Jun 27 11:38:24 ah, cool, man, it runs Jun 27 11:38:43 the emulator should be started at first Jun 27 11:39:01 then it appears in configuration Jun 27 11:39:04 yer Jun 27 11:39:15 thought it was :S Jun 27 11:39:22 happy. thank you hotdp :) Jun 27 11:39:43 np Jun 27 11:58:19 the empty app doesn't even have a pulldown menu Jun 27 12:00:51 pulldown? Jun 27 12:00:54 helt ect? Jun 27 12:04:16 the application menu, I mean Jun 27 12:11:13 Hey everyone! Jun 27 12:11:28 hi Jun 27 12:12:02 has anyone come across a problem where the pre- running webos 1.4.5 wont go into USB mode on one computer but will on another. drivers are installed on both {C Jun 27 12:12:06 PC's* Jun 27 12:12:46 yer Jun 27 12:13:06 had to do the volume trixk Jun 27 12:13:43 I tried the volume trick no luck Jun 27 12:13:51 it charges the phone though thats the weird thing Jun 27 12:14:07 and I know its not the cable cause it works in the other computer just fine Jun 27 12:14:38 It was working fine a little while ago, but then I updated novacom and now its not playing nice. :p Jun 27 13:23:03 got to play with the tp. they could have designed a better shell Jun 27 13:23:08 feels cheap Jun 27 13:26:53 for a while there I thought you mean the console program :D Jun 27 13:32:35 Deihmos: your the first who have said any negative on the hardware Jun 27 13:32:57 really? i read a lot on precentral Jun 27 13:41:37 gimme link? Jun 27 13:43:54 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/285936-got-play-touchpad-my-local-wal-mart.html Jun 27 13:45:58 I see Jun 27 13:46:04 the plastic is not solid Jun 27 13:46:19 But its the first time i hear it, maybe it has been in a case the other times Jun 27 13:53:47 I wish they'd announce dev pricing now, so I could figure out if I should make the trip to the nearest TP retailer on friday Jun 27 13:57:30 summatusmentis: i know right? Jun 27 14:00:04 cwayne: at least for me, the nearest retailer is 45 minutes away Jun 27 14:00:18 and I don't have a reason to go otherwise Jun 27 14:01:58 summatusmentis: damn Jun 27 14:03:54 indeed Jun 27 15:02:05 hey people, what's up? Jun 27 15:10:42 PatrickC: yo Jun 27 15:11:09 what's up cwayne Jun 27 15:11:25 PatrickC: lookin for a friggen car to buy Jun 27 15:11:26 you Jun 27 15:11:39 nm. gettin ready to mow the lawn Jun 27 15:11:46 and, Ferrari's are nice ;) Jun 27 15:12:34 cwayne: what kinda car? car, van, truck, bus, semi? :) Jun 27 15:13:07 PatrickC: haaaaaaaaaaaaa, idk Jun 27 15:14:21 .. Jun 27 15:14:33 just had a phone call from 731 599 301 Jun 27 15:14:40 yes.. 6 digits.. Jun 27 15:14:48 huh? Jun 27 15:14:49 weird Jun 27 15:14:59 bbl.. time to mow the grass Jun 27 15:15:02 lets see what the voicemail is Jun 27 15:15:56 ok i guess the number was 173 159 9301 that looks even worse Jun 27 16:00:37 chuqui, when will we be able to post screenshots of our webOS 3.0 apps online? Jun 27 16:02:55 soon. Jun 27 16:08:17 on 1. July? :-) Jun 27 16:10:21 one July someday Jun 27 16:42:30 "before the cold death of the universe" and not nearly as late as we did on 2.0. honest. Jun 27 16:42:38 (that still embarasses me) Jun 27 16:42:54 cold death? Jun 27 16:43:17 heat death. /pedant Jun 27 16:43:42 dcousineau: everyone's a critic. but you are correct... (oops, me) Jun 27 16:44:03 chuqui: :) Jun 27 16:44:32 I do it out of love and a misplaced sense of smug self superiority Jun 27 17:01:45 hrm Jun 27 17:27:15 * haeffb_pre wondering if I should submit this [redacted] app. it still has a couple of flaws, but is it 'good enough' for 1.0 release...? Jun 27 17:30:51 depends on the flaws Jun 27 17:31:05 do you define flaw as a "this button should do x but it's doing y" Jun 27 17:31:16 or do you define flaw as "there should be a button to do x here, but it's not thereyet" Jun 27 17:31:19 also keep in mind, sometimes flaws could be called option Jun 27 17:31:27 if it's the former, no Jun 27 17:31:31 if it's the latter, yes Jun 27 17:31:42 like.. it wipes out my phone when i do this, now becomes 'built in phone wiper option!' Jun 27 17:32:00 :P Jun 27 17:32:07 "Fsck up your entire day button" Jun 27 17:32:19 like an easy button, just not Jun 27 17:32:24 what, the start windows button? Jun 27 17:32:31 * dcousineau slaps knee Jun 27 17:32:44 exactly Jun 27 17:38:42 lol Jun 27 17:38:43 flaws that most people won't experience Jun 27 17:38:43 and that I can fix in an update shortly Jun 27 17:38:55 I think you just answered your question Jun 27 17:39:03 just get your shit o ut the door, drop an update later Jun 27 17:39:14 just make sure what is there is polished and what isn't p olished is removed for an update Jun 27 17:40:13 "that's not a defect -- it's a feature!" Jun 27 17:40:24 Yeah, it's the web, and web applications -- Jun 27 17:40:28 One step at a time Jun 27 17:40:41 If you make a mistake, a user will tell you, and you'll drop a fix right away Jun 27 17:40:52 It isn't the same as software that's packaged and shipped Jun 27 17:41:56 like Prefs in a dialog rather than a separate scene Jun 27 17:41:57 like not auto scrolling back to your list selection on a refresh Jun 27 17:42:21 those two don't sound like hindrances Jun 27 17:42:31 you could ignore the prefs, focus on the scrolling issue, and launch that Jun 27 17:42:40 not a killer, just slightly annoying Jun 27 17:42:51 *Shrug* don't fall for perfectionism Jun 27 17:43:05 (a) your users aren't going to be as critical as you are Jun 27 17:43:18 (b) the shit your users are going to hate is shit you never thought of and never would had you not released Jun 27 17:43:48 budget time after the launch to release at least one update Jun 27 17:44:22 fire and forget, that's my motto Jun 27 17:44:36 i figure the users will bug test for me Jun 27 17:44:53 nah, they don't bug test Jun 27 17:44:55 they shouldn't bug test Jun 27 17:44:57 they do usability testing Jun 27 17:45:16 well, they use it, and find bugs and then report, thats my version of bug testing Jun 27 17:46:36 ;) Jun 27 17:46:45 thats the best kind Jun 27 17:47:38 solid plan Jun 27 17:47:51 Works for me Jun 27 17:48:00 That, and trying to tackle bugs as you discover them Jun 27 17:48:22 Since, during development, you may use the application so much, that you'll discover a bug -- don't forget about it -- squash it and resume whatever you were focusing on Jun 27 17:48:38 thats what minions are for Jun 27 17:48:43 ...or create a little list of to-dos, and decide what comes before and after the next update Jun 27 17:49:25 i think bugs and flaws help out, because it forces you to push an update.. users like to see things updated.. Jun 27 17:50:29 any ideas what could cause an app to lose track of a sqlite db? Jun 27 17:50:48 and create a new one instead of open existing? Jun 27 17:50:55 ouch Jun 27 17:51:02 that sounds bad Jun 27 17:51:20 like the master Databases.db file is getting hosed, maybe? Jun 27 17:51:46 permissions not set right? Jun 27 17:51:52 * PatrickC hates wasps Jun 27 17:52:08 I've had rare reports of it happening in Noted & Done Jun 27 17:52:44 on launch everything is blank & if the go look there's two copies of db Jun 27 17:53:15 I've never had that happen Jun 27 17:53:32 in /media/internal Jun 27 17:54:03 haeffb_pre: hmmm, never seen it personally...are the /media/internal partitions getting full? Jun 27 17:54:44 could be that they are doctoring/full reset device... Jun 27 17:55:02 and don't understand how that works Jun 27 17:55:07 but you wouldn't have 2 dbs after that Jun 27 17:55:23 oh wait, maybe you would Jun 27 17:55:33 how does reset work now, does it keep /media/internal around? Jun 27 17:56:00 depends on how you do it Jun 27 17:56:23 'erase apps & data' keeps usb drive intact Jun 27 17:56:48 but then your app loses the pointer to the original db Jun 27 17:56:49 I see Jun 27 17:56:55 yeah, I'd chalk this up to user error :D Jun 27 17:56:56 so does that also leave dbs in .app-storage ? Jun 27 18:00:27 hmmm, I don't know Jun 27 18:00:53 I'll await your testing report :D Jun 27 18:21:24 yo Jun 27 18:21:55 looking for some thoughts on app pricing model Jun 27 18:22:22 i'm debating between releasing A) full and 'lite' versions seperately -- lite being free Jun 27 18:22:42 and b) single version + in-app purchasing of features Jun 27 18:22:52 thats what i do.. free basic version and full deluxe version Jun 27 18:23:20 but i'm wondering if people are more likely to buy upgrades, or go and buy the full version Jun 27 18:23:41 seemed easier to code that way Jun 27 18:24:09 which way Jun 27 18:24:15 b? Jun 27 18:24:26 and in-app purchases on my android app didn't go over too well Jun 27 18:24:37 what were you selling? Jun 27 18:24:43 not enough features for my app Jun 27 18:24:52 i have a hurricane tracker app Jun 27 18:25:59 ah Jun 27 18:26:00 depends what you are making i guess.. but for my money.. a free version and a full paid version worked out better Jun 27 18:30:01 well i'm building version 2 of my painting app Jun 27 18:30:06 porting everything to enyo Jun 27 18:30:27 but haven't decided on my pricing model yet Jun 27 18:31:00 but, i feel like in-app purchases like brushes/backgrounds/effects could see some moderate success Jun 27 18:31:15 ah.. gotcha Jun 27 18:31:29 yeah.. for features like that, you might make out alright Jun 27 18:31:53 my features were just access to different higher res maps and such Jun 27 18:31:57 ah Jun 27 18:32:03 there just wasn't a need for it, on my end Jun 27 18:32:18 but i could see where your app could make it work Jun 27 18:32:24 i'm going to do the in-app purchases either way Jun 27 18:32:33 Anyone with some experience in getting enyo working with oAuth2 (specifically with Google)? Jun 27 18:32:34 like buying extra plugins for photoshop Jun 27 18:32:44 discombobulate: exactly Jun 27 18:33:01 not that i've ever bought any photoshop extensions Jun 27 18:33:07 hah Jun 27 18:33:08 yeah ;) Jun 27 18:34:11 i have some time to decide i guess anyway, need to finish building it Jun 27 18:39:03 "My internet is so slow it's faster just to drive to Google headquarters and ask them stuff in person." Jun 27 18:39:15 hah Jun 27 19:51:22 so what do you think for the future of webOS? Jun 27 19:51:27 i just used a veer. Jun 27 19:51:35 i must be contrary and say i really really like it Jun 27 19:51:41 I'm hopeful Jun 27 19:51:51 wary, but hopeful Jun 27 19:51:51 the screen is small but its so cute Jun 27 19:52:02 i like the Pre 2 better, but the Veer is great. Jun 27 19:52:16 i dont think the veer will sell well, but maybe it will Jun 27 19:52:19 if the veer had a built-in headphone jack, I'd seriously consider it Jun 27 19:52:27 it makes great use of a 200MB data plan Jun 27 19:52:37 you probably wont use much data with Veer's small screen. Jun 27 19:52:56 it's VERY cute and i can see it replacing a lot of featurephones with that $15 data plan Jun 27 19:53:15 (I probably would still use as much data, but you know) Jun 27 19:53:20 it would be great for messaging, since the keyboard is actually quite nice, and Jun 27 19:53:25 the camera is decent Jun 27 19:53:40 summatusmentis, im thinking more along the lines of featurephone>veer upgraders Jun 27 19:53:48 the featurephone data plan @ ATT is $10 Jun 27 19:53:48 granted Jun 27 19:54:00 $15 isnt a big step up for what you get Jun 27 19:54:09 real web real google maps, real yelp etc. Jun 27 19:54:22 and HTML email along with your MMS Jun 27 19:54:53 it's smaller and cuter than most featurephones with their bulky keyboard and feels so fluid Jun 27 19:55:18 as for the pre 2, i really wish verizon highlighted it more since i think it could compete well Jun 27 19:55:41 the webOS "experience" feels like HTC sense but with more flow, if that's possible Jun 27 19:55:43 pre3 is happening soon Jun 27 19:55:48 Pre 3, yeah. Jun 27 19:55:52 hope that does well. Jun 27 19:56:23 i love the idea of Just Type, btw. Jun 27 19:56:48 for what i do, my next phone could easily be a pre 2 if only it were on AT&T Jun 27 19:57:00 in fact, if the Pre 2 were on aT&T when i got my phone, i would've picked up Jun 27 19:57:03 I like webOS :( Jun 27 19:57:10 but dont have the money for unlocked GSM phones Jun 27 20:30:53 i stilll think they should get peter dinklage to do veer ads Jun 27 20:31:02 who do i talk to in order to make that happen? :) Jun 27 20:40:33 the pacquaio veer commercial is ok Jun 27 20:40:58 I think it's pretty clever Jun 27 20:58:01 clever enough though? Jun 27 20:58:44 cxreg might be right.. a little person might be more clever.. Jun 27 20:59:01 plus, game of thrones is The Big Thing Jun 27 20:59:06 yeah Jun 27 20:59:57 and, you can toss the veer in the little person's hand, and toss a touchpad in some basketball player's hand.. good contrast Jun 27 21:12:51 man Jun 27 21:12:54 i saw game of thrones Jun 27 21:12:57 and it looks like Jun 27 21:13:08 kind of a generic olden days fantasy thing Jun 27 21:13:15 with cheesy dialogue Jun 27 21:13:20 and lots of sex scenes Jun 27 21:13:28 which is ok. Jun 27 21:13:34 the dog was cool Jun 27 21:13:38 have you read the book? Jun 27 21:13:46 but then they killed him Jun 27 21:13:46 so I mean what's the point now Jun 27 21:13:46 there's a book? Jun 27 21:13:49 yeah Jun 27 21:13:49 * torchie ducks. Jun 27 21:14:00 the books are distinct in teh fact they're not like ye olde tolein Jun 27 21:14:10 *tolkien Jun 27 21:14:15 I like the style of writing Jun 27 21:14:28 it is sort of generic medieval fantasy, in many ways Jun 27 21:14:29 people die Jun 27 21:14:32 people you like die Jun 27 21:14:36 it's a bit of a holy shit Jun 27 21:15:00 no centered focus on a band of heroes tromping over the country side Jun 27 21:15:03 too many writers have characters that survive no matter what Jun 27 21:15:06 broader ranged political focus Jun 27 21:15:20 a centered focus on a band of heroes tromping the country side is awesome though Jun 27 21:15:22 QUESTING Jun 27 21:15:22 more like "Watch these dipshits make stupid,s elfish moves and how they affect everything else" Jun 27 21:15:25 JOURNEYING Jun 27 21:15:30 ADVENTURE Jun 27 21:15:44 Loudergood: I'm not all the way through the first book, but that's part of what I like, the people I like and can relate to never reach "drastically important to the story" levels Jun 27 21:16:06 I've been waiting for book 5 for 5 years ;) Jun 27 21:16:07 I'm really enjoying the book, haven't seen the show yet Jun 27 21:16:18 reread them a few months ago prior to watching the show Jun 27 21:16:21 Loudergood: same here. I've had my preorder since amazon opened it up in 08 :P Jun 27 21:16:23 i caught that episode with the dog Jun 27 21:16:28 that torchie mentioned Jun 27 21:16:45 i was like wtf Jun 27 21:16:58 summatusmentis: the show is good. not the same, a different retelling kinda Jun 27 21:17:00 i suppose i need to start at the begining Jun 27 21:17:08 yeah that helps Jun 27 21:17:48 summatusmentis: what ever you do, when you finish book 5 don't start following the author's blog Jun 27 21:17:59 hah Jun 27 21:18:04 very frustrating Jun 27 21:18:15 that dog is the jam! Jun 27 21:18:16 he said book five was nearly done when he shipped book four Jun 27 21:18:19 he doesn't mess around Jun 27 21:18:36 i wanna get back into the pokemon tv show Jun 27 21:18:39 now that's an epic to follow Jun 27 21:18:42 Loudergood: *grr* Jun 27 21:19:12 Loudergood: did you see how hyperdefensive he got when fans started worrrying he'd pull a Robert Jordan? Jun 27 21:19:19 yes Jun 27 21:19:59 kinda wanted to slap him. "Dude do what you want, but face it: you have rabid fans and you're old, they're going to fscking worry and no amount of whining on your part will stop anything" Jun 27 21:20:33 there are supposed to be 7 books in the series right? Jun 27 21:21:03 "supposed" to, however I thought I heard a rumor he was dropping it to 6? Jun 27 21:21:09 could be hallucinating Jun 27 21:21:10 holy cow, I didn't realize these had been out so long Jun 27 21:21:24 heh, I was late to the party when I picked them up in 05 Jun 27 21:21:40 yeah there were 3 books when I discovered it a few years before that Jun 27 21:21:54 dcousineau: wiki still suggests 7 Jun 27 21:21:57 better to be late with books.. that way there's no wait when you want to read the next one Jun 27 21:22:04 atleast for a little while Jun 27 21:22:09 yes Jun 27 21:22:32 discombobulate: you misunderestimate GRRM Jun 27 21:22:35 :P Jun 27 21:22:51 waiting on some more margarette weis and tracy hickman Jun 27 21:22:57 but they're machines Jun 27 21:23:00 so I rarely have to wait long Jun 27 21:23:29 *margaret Jun 27 21:25:10 oh dear god. I go to frownie face a song on grooveshark, accidentally click it to view details. first comment on the song: "This represents my life and soul" Jun 27 21:25:11 :| Jun 27 21:39:21 hahaha Jun 27 21:40:34 I'm trying to use Ajax.Request to detect if a file exists. It doesn't work on large files. What should I use instead? Jun 27 21:48:55 hi chuqui! Jun 27 21:49:17 hey hey Jun 27 21:50:14 chuqui: any idea on the turnaround time to get an app already in the 3.0 catalog updated ... for launch? Jun 27 21:50:40 too late? late thursday night? :) Jun 27 21:50:47 as fast as we can whip the oompa-loopas to go. Jun 27 21:50:57 haha Jun 27 21:51:28 depends, does it have 'wirc' in the name? Jun 27 21:51:44 as always .. an answer, but somewhat not an answer. :) Jun 27 21:53:21 webkit not so much wanting to repaint when I change css classnames. would like to actually fix that one ... somehow. Jun 27 21:54:09 and of course its one of those "only sometimes" bugs. Jun 27 21:54:50 rwatkins: was pretty fast for me, probably depends on queue at the time Jun 27 21:55:15 Flashpass: ya, guess so. Jun 27 21:55:52 need that hold music with "your average wait time is currrently X hours ..." Jun 27 21:56:41 ha, would be hard to tell how long - depending on their complexity Jun 27 22:08:56 oompa loompa ompidy doo Jun 27 22:15:09 I've got another puzzle for you Jun 27 22:16:51 is it "how to i trigger the app menu in chrome for a no-window app?" Jun 27 22:17:40 cuz thats a puzzle. Jun 27 22:31:04 rwatkins: ctrl + ` doesn't work for a nowindow app? Jun 27 22:32:13 no, i assume its because it embeds the visible window in an iframe Jun 27 22:36:01 lame Jun 27 22:36:23 howdy all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 00:11:46 2011 Jun 28 00:18:15 hello on webos Jun 28 00:18:23 HP Pre 3 will kick ass Jun 28 00:38:09 Nuttybunny_ Jun 28 00:38:10 !! Jun 28 00:38:41 hey! :D Jun 28 00:39:19 If I get disconnected is because of this stupid dsl line, it seems the weekends rain hit a toll at some phone centrals... some lines are quite noisy :( Jun 28 00:40:58 it's ok Jun 28 00:41:02 brb. playing some fps Jun 28 00:41:46 bnceo: PEW PEW PEW Jun 28 00:50:47 bah, Team Fortress 2 didn't run on my laptop,it seems like I have to work :( Jun 28 00:50:59 (I have to work on the work laptop) :( Jun 28 01:03:30 lol @ Tibfib Jun 28 01:51:18 whew! power restored at home after 20 hours Jun 28 01:51:32 noice! Jun 28 01:51:40 did you have a storm? or was it random? Jun 28 01:51:44 storm Jun 28 01:51:57 power out for about 4000 people in the area Jun 28 01:52:10 came through last night @ midnight Jun 28 01:58:10 haeffb: nice! Jun 28 02:05:19 SpazHD going to be ready for launch? Jun 28 02:05:25 definitely Jun 28 02:05:45 goin live with version 0.2x something or gonna bump to a full 1.0? Jun 28 02:07:35 rwatkins: keeping 0.2 Jun 28 02:07:46 it's technically still in beta Jun 28 02:08:23 always a safe route, give yourself room to fix stuff up after the deluge of feedback Jun 28 02:09:08 hahaahahaahahahaah Jun 28 02:09:14 for the app portal Jun 28 02:09:24 there's a table of content that is allowable Jun 28 02:09:44 most of the violence categories Jun 28 02:09:47 are okay in small doses Jun 28 02:10:00 but robot violence is OKAY in any dose Jun 28 02:10:17 ya Jun 28 02:11:52 but what if the robot is hyper-realistic, eh? Jun 28 02:13:07 It's a-okay Jun 28 02:14:22 so rename your bloody violent execution application "Robot Wars" Jun 28 02:15:13 robots ftw Jun 28 02:16:12 OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYGOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHH Jun 28 02:16:17 koto update automatically rejected Jun 28 02:16:29 I would think after 6+ months, palm would fix that Jun 28 02:16:30 welcome to the club! Jun 28 02:16:46 I DON'T WANT TO BE IN YOUR CLUB Jun 28 02:16:52 TOO bAD Jun 28 02:16:56 lol Jun 28 02:17:00 heh Jun 28 02:17:44 you could always publicly shame adora Jun 28 02:17:56 how did that work out for you oil.... Jun 28 02:17:57 put up image about her rejecting it accidentially, get approved! Jun 28 02:18:37 Is it possible to take a screenshot of VirtualBox? Jun 28 02:18:49 without taking one of the whole desktop and cropping? Jun 28 02:19:00 alt+prtscr Jun 28 02:19:16 but it will get the window title bar Jun 28 02:19:19 change css class. webkit no repaint. SOMETIMES. ARGH. Jun 28 02:19:41 if you have gimp, it's screenshotter will strip out the window decorations Jun 28 02:19:44 I got rejected for using: "palm://com.palm.db/putPermissions" Jun 28 02:19:57 but I thought I had to use that Jun 28 02:20:10 better then getting rejected for line endings Jun 28 02:20:17 sugardave: no worky. I think virtualbox captures the alt Jun 28 02:20:29 dohtem: you have to release the keyboard first Jun 28 02:20:34 on windows, it's right ctrl Jun 28 02:21:01 whoa, I didn't know that did that Jun 28 02:21:08 thanks!! Jun 28 02:21:10 np Jun 28 02:21:35 whhat the heck Jun 28 02:21:37 * oil crops Jun 28 02:21:41 * Tibfib shouldn't have been rejected Jun 28 02:21:46 Tibfib: :( Jun 28 02:21:46 HAHAHAHA Jun 28 02:21:52 MEMBERSHIP OF THE CLUB IS GROWING! Jun 28 02:22:08 * Tibfib usurps oil as leader Jun 28 02:22:12 blame sugardave he works for palm Jun 28 02:22:17 he should be fixing this crap :) Jun 28 02:22:22 http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/27/facebook-tablet-app-hp-touchpad/ Jun 28 02:22:41 sugardave: big news Jun 28 02:22:41 ooo Jun 28 02:22:56 * sugardave is busily gluing a bunch of small things together. Jun 28 02:23:14 dont glue your fingers Jun 28 02:23:16 LIES Jun 28 02:23:19 at article Jun 28 02:23:24 "Update: Facebook has reached out to clarify that “this app was not built by Facebook but by HP.”" - no kidding! Jun 28 02:23:29 heh Jun 28 02:23:34 awesome app though Jun 28 02:23:39 facebook: meh Jun 28 02:24:11 http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=18247 Jun 28 02:24:28 How are all these people seeing TouchPads? The BestBuys around me dont have em yet Jun 28 02:24:33 phonegap + enyo = ipad facebook app! Jun 28 02:24:54 hav you been going to the bestbuy looking for it? Jun 28 02:25:16 checked yesterday Jun 28 02:25:44 they try to sell you an ipad? Jun 28 02:26:19 heh nope Jun 28 02:27:08 did they tell you it "only runs 3.0 but this one runs 3.1 Honeycomb" ? Jun 28 02:27:21 :/ Jun 28 02:27:58 until you realize its will forever run 3.1 honeycomb and your TP will get OTA updates up the wazzo Jun 28 02:28:25 the point being they don't know that it's a different os Jun 28 02:28:30 it's sad Jun 28 02:29:12 given that webos < 3 and android >=3 has same designer, not a suprise. Jun 28 02:30:13 except they are not the same at all Jun 28 02:30:18 one is good Jun 28 02:30:20 and one sucks Jun 28 02:31:05 I dunno, I think some of those webos 3 settings apps need some serious designer love Jun 28 02:32:25 nda bro Jun 28 02:32:46 heh Jun 28 02:32:57 uh huh. Jun 28 02:34:59 you know how good stuff always happens when I'm not around? I'm going on vacation next week and there will be very little access to electricity, so I will be the epitome of "not around"...maye something good will happen after I leave for vacation :D Jun 28 02:35:19 well email sent to palm Jun 28 02:35:19 again Jun 28 02:35:33 yikes. Jun 28 02:35:43 wth? Jun 28 02:36:26 he did that last night too Jun 28 02:41:02 dragging and dropping attachments into gmail rocks! Jun 28 02:41:45 and if mattias would add swipe to the right to kill tasks from memory, 3.x would be pretty slick Jun 28 02:41:57 but alas, you cant Jun 28 02:42:51 dont worry, its android. I'm sure there is on ungodly combination of gestures to do that Jun 28 02:42:58 is some* Jun 28 02:43:06 i know it Jun 28 02:59:01 the fact that I need a task manager pains me Jun 28 02:59:03 oy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 02:59:58 2011