**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 29 02:59:56 2011
Jun 29 03:00:05 <torchie> it has a faster snapdragon than in the original evo
Jun 29 03:00:10 <CTLAdvance> ill have to say 3.1 doesnt lag so long as you manage your tasks
Jun 29 03:00:12 <torchie> just lower clocked
Jun 29 03:00:22 <torchie> manually managing tasks eh
Jun 29 03:00:26 <CTLAdvance> but who wants to download a task manager to manage tasks
Jun 29 03:00:46 <CTLAdvance> damn this 10.1 if only I could get windows7 on it even
Jun 29 03:00:50 <torchie> nobody, that's why I never did it on my nook color
Jun 29 03:00:58 <torchie> loltaskillers
Jun 29 03:01:35 <CTLAdvance> hmm though teh specs will be similar to touchpad
Jun 29 03:01:43 <CTLAdvance> I wonder if I could repackage the rom to flash on this
Jun 29 03:01:46 <CTLAdvance> interesting
Jun 29 03:01:48 <CTLAdvance> dual boot it maybe
Jun 29 03:01:55 <CTLAdvance> very interesting
Jun 29 03:09:22 <torchie> andy hertzfeld is on google+
Jun 29 03:09:36 <torchie> "...Circles looks more like a classic Apple program than the typically bland Google app. That’s no surprise since the key interface designer was legendary software artist Andy Herzfeld."
Jun 29 03:12:36 <LoneStar99> anyone know about screen resolutions...
Jun 29 03:13:05 <CTLAdvance> what about them
Jun 29 03:13:18 <LoneStar99> why does this canvas look like this --> http://bobc.in/im/drop/cc/tp/bqlk-1
Jun 29 03:13:24 <sugardave> generally measured in 2 dimensions....
Jun 29 03:13:40 <torchie> some resolutions are big
Jun 29 03:13:42 <torchie> others are quite small
Jun 29 03:15:14 <LoneStar99> for example I draw an image on mobile device 320x480 and then view the image in TP emulator and i would expect the image to only display  320x480 instead of taking up the entire 1024x768...
Jun 29 03:16:28 <LoneStar99> i thought I would be able to fit more drawing on TP emulator than mobile phone, but it seems that the space to draw in is exactly the same, only difference TP drawing looks gigantic...
Jun 29 03:17:19 <LoneStar99> do you all think it is a bug with mojo compatibility or results would be the same using enyo?
Jun 29 03:17:39 <MOSF> Some one have found SplashId in App Catalog (USA)?
Jun 29 03:19:01 <torchie> "Becaues I don't want Google+ to fail, I decided to make a facebook page about the google+ project. Don't forget to tweet about it."
Jun 29 03:21:17 <sugardave> LoneStar99: if that's a Mojo app, compatibility mode auto-stretches everything for you
Jun 29 03:22:13 <LoneStar99> sugardave: oh ok, that makes alot of sense.
Jun 29 03:24:30 <CTLAdvance> how are you redrawing it
Jun 29 03:24:38 <CTLAdvance> your probably not mapping pixels right
Jun 29 03:24:42 <CTLAdvance> or saving them right
Jun 29 03:24:45 <LoneStar99> sugardave: it might just be easier for me to port to enyo even though it may take about 3 days?
Jun 29 03:25:04 <CTLAdvance> ah thats right auto stretch
Jun 29 03:25:28 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance:  i am sure sugardave is right 3.0 is auto stretching canvas etc...
Jun 29 03:25:35 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jun 29 03:25:40 <CTLAdvance> I had forgotten about that
Jun 29 03:26:08 <LoneStar99> is there a command to prevent a stage to strech?
Jun 29 03:27:39 <sugardave> I don't think so, it's pretty all-or-nothing
Jun 29 03:29:38 <LoneStar99> sugardave: well enyo it is then, good thing my app is not very complex feature-wise
Jun 29 04:02:57 * PatrickC wanders in
Jun 29 04:21:19 <sugardave> hi mattsmcnulty
Jun 29 04:21:24 <mattsmcnulty> heya
Jun 29 04:21:30 <torchie> one thing's for sure about google+
Jun 29 04:21:34 <torchie> fast company is screwed
Jun 29 04:21:35 <torchie> ERM
Jun 29 04:21:38 <torchie> fast society*
Jun 29 04:22:02 <summatusmentis> fast society?
Jun 29 04:22:23 <summatusmentis> oh, I'd never heard of that
Jun 29 04:22:56 <torchie> it's this one startup that was pretty much all about features that were pretty similar to google+
Jun 29 04:23:09 <torchie> though I haven't heard much about them lately
Jun 29 04:23:15 <summatusmentis> yeah, I found their website
Jun 29 04:23:23 <summatusmentis> I hadn't heard of them
Jun 29 04:23:45 <summatusmentis> Google+ looks pretty android centric (which isn't surprising)
Jun 29 04:23:54 <summatusmentis> so that's lame
Jun 29 04:23:56 <mattsmcnulty> what's android
Jun 29 04:24:10 <summatusmentis> he's just this guy, you know?
Jun 29 04:24:22 <CTLAdvance> the one enyo mom
Jun 29 04:24:26 <torchie> google+ is on iOS too
Jun 29 04:24:32 <sugardave> rimshot.wav
Jun 29 04:24:56 <torchie> and the mobile integration doesn't seem absolutely crucial to the experience
Jun 29 04:25:04 <summatusmentis> no, perhaps not
Jun 29 04:25:05 <torchie> just a nice addition
Jun 29 04:25:42 <summatusmentis> I'm a big fan of using my phone as my access to social networking though
Jun 29 04:25:43 <sugardave> mattsmcnulty: excited about the public finally getting to see Enyo in all its glory?
Jun 29 04:26:01 <torchie> I'd like to use something besides skype for im lol
Jun 29 04:26:17 <summatusmentis> torchie: gtalk doen't cut it for you?
Jun 29 04:26:35 <torchie> the people I talk to don't use it
Jun 29 04:26:45 <torchie> hell I don't even use it
Jun 29 04:26:52 <torchie> can't remember the last time I opened gtalk
Jun 29 04:26:55 <torchie> is there still a native app
Jun 29 04:27:07 <summatusmentis> I have no idea
Jun 29 04:27:20 <summatusmentis> I do all of my IM using bitlbee->irssi
Jun 29 04:27:24 <mattsmcnulty> sugardave: lifting of the NDA will be nice. rather nervous about the launch, naturally
Jun 29 04:27:26 <CTLAdvance> lol who uses gtalk
Jun 29 04:27:41 <CTLAdvance> who said anything about the NDA being lifted
Jun 29 04:27:44 <summatusmentis> most people, who don't use FB chat
Jun 29 04:27:56 <CTLAdvance> did they lift it when 2.1 was launched? uh no
Jun 29 04:27:56 <summatusmentis> you know, the guy launching enyo :)
Jun 29 04:28:06 <rwatkins> code is going to be out there in the public, NDA or not.
Jun 29 04:28:10 <sugardave> mattsmcnulty: yeah, I bet...I am ready for the NDA to be gone, too
Jun 29 04:28:15 <CTLAdvance> They will lift thy NDA in teh coming months
Jun 29 04:28:21 <Tibfib> oh mattsmcnulty is here
Jun 29 04:28:25 <LoneStar99> kinda see a second dot-com bubble bursting soon, to many internet startups are going public...
Jun 29 04:28:33 <sugardave> mattsmcnulty is RIGHT OVER THERE!
Jun 29 04:29:02 <torchie> i don't use FB chat :d
Jun 29 04:29:10 <torchie> but skype instead
Jun 29 04:29:13 <summatusmentis> most people I know do
Jun 29 04:29:18 <torchie> yeah most people do
Jun 29 04:29:22 <torchie> fb chat's a pain, you gotta like
Jun 29 04:29:24 <torchie> pay attention to some random tab
Jun 29 04:29:25 <Tibfib> sugardave: have you met most of the palm peeps in real life?
Jun 29 04:29:25 <mattsmcnulty> 2.1 was an anomaly in terms of SDK release and public release timing
Jun 29 04:29:27 <LoneStar99> never heard of "Zynga" but is is apparently worth "$1B" ....
Jun 29 04:29:39 <mattsmcnulty> generally we release SDKs the day the public gets their hands on a release
Jun 29 04:29:54 <summatusmentis> torchie: fb chat is just a jabber backend
Jun 29 04:29:55 * Tibfib remembers 2.0 sdk
Jun 29 04:30:04 <CTLAdvance> I figure, I was more or less joking :)
Jun 29 04:30:07 <sugardave> Tibfib: no, not even close.  I met most of the devrel team and my team and Balmer and Kerris
Jun 29 04:30:12 <torchie> yeah but I never opened adium to do it either
Jun 29 04:30:17 <sugardave> and other people
Jun 29 04:30:22 * twbbas is submitting first TouchPad app
Jun 29 04:30:23 <Tibfib> sugardave: that's cool
Jun 29 04:30:28 <Tibfib> sugardave: meet Adora?
Jun 29 04:30:32 <Tibfib> and dkirker?
Jun 29 04:30:39 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: zynga is apparently the company behind FarmVille
Jun 29 04:30:47 <dkirker> huh? wha?
Jun 29 04:30:48 <sugardave> well, I didn't meet swisstomcat because he's across the water
Jun 29 04:30:51 <halfhalo> Adora is crazy.
Jun 29 04:30:56 <sugardave> and dkirker !
Jun 29 04:30:58 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: Thanks for the spare, my mom fell when coming out from her car and the Pre flew.... screen cracked :)
Jun 29 04:30:59 <sugardave> duh
Jun 29 04:31:04 <sugardave> but I had already met him
Jun 29 04:31:09 <NuttyBunny> Hey everyone :)
Jun 29 04:31:18 <dkirker> Adora is crazy! :P Blast, she isn't even in here... :(
Jun 29 04:31:20 <Tibfib> cool cool
Jun 29 04:31:24 <sugardave> I met Adora in NY, but I didn't really get a chance to talk to her while I was in Sunnyvale
Jun 29 04:32:43 * Tibfib has not meet anyone from webOS irl
Jun 29 04:32:49 <Tibfib> ever
Jun 29 04:32:52 <Tibfib> EVERRRR
Jun 29 04:33:08 <torchie> one time i met a girl with a pixi
Jun 29 04:33:17 <Tibfib> oh, that's not what I meant
Jun 29 04:33:21 <Tibfib> I see peeps with webOS phones
Jun 29 04:33:21 <torchie> oh like the team
Jun 29 04:33:22 <sugardave> you need to organize a webOS connect event in the midwest!
Jun 29 04:33:22 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  oh ok facebooks games
Jun 29 04:33:27 <Tibfib> but like devs and devrel peeps, no
Jun 29 04:33:30 <torchie> i think im the last peep
Jun 29 04:33:54 <Tibfib> sugardave: heh, nah
Jun 29 04:33:58 <summatusmentis> I don't have any peeps
Jun 29 04:34:08 <Tibfib> palm needs to organize a midwest dev day!
Jun 29 04:34:10 <sugardave> er not connect, webos meetup
Jun 29 04:34:12 <Tibfib> texas or KC!
Jun 29 04:34:19 * halfhalo still has adora blackmail pick with her holding a thinkpad
Jun 29 04:34:25 <summatusmentis> dude... texas is not the midwest
Jun 29 04:34:29 <summatusmentis> pls
Jun 29 04:34:33 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 29 04:34:39 <halfhalo> and with snowhat.
Jun 29 04:34:45 <Tibfib> :p
Jun 29 04:34:47 <summatusmentis> those of us in MN take offense to that
Jun 29 04:35:09 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 29 04:36:55 <Neotelos> Is anyone doing the HP launchLine competition?
Jun 29 04:37:13 <LoneStar99> google plus --> Vaya... necesitas un perfil de Google para poder usar esta función
Jun 29 04:38:24 <summatusmentis> you don't have a google account?
Jun 29 04:38:54 <LoneStar99> i do, but not compatible with google apps accounts apparently
Jun 29 04:39:03 <summatusmentis> oooh, I'd believe that
Jun 29 04:39:24 <LoneStar99> and since i am in MX right now getting errors in spanish
Jun 29 04:40:06 <CTLAdvance> Mattsmcnulty - any word on develoepr devices yet
Jun 29 04:40:15 <twbbas> Neotelos: I did it for about 15 mins earlier. Only got to like rank 600 or something
Jun 29 04:40:36 <mattsmcnulty> developer devices go on sale starting at 499 at various retailers friday ;-)
Jun 29 04:40:43 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jun 29 04:40:46 <mattsmcnulty> (no, I have no idea. devrel is handling that)
Jun 29 04:41:35 <summatusmentis> I might end up having to wait a bit on purchasing a TP
Jun 29 04:41:50 <mattsmcnulty> yes, you will have to wait until friday
Jun 29 04:42:04 <rwatkins> so .. whoever fought to keep enyo dev possible in the browser ... hats off.  number one feature.
Jun 29 04:42:22 <torchie> you can enyo dev in the browser eh?
Jun 29 04:42:23 <dohtem> alt
Jun 29 04:42:26 <torchie> ares?
Jun 29 04:42:35 <summatusmentis> mattsmcnulty: hah, I meant after friday, but touche
Jun 29 04:42:36 <rwatkins> no, meaning a text editor and chrome.
Jun 29 04:42:50 <CTLAdvance> eeeek who uses chrom
Jun 29 04:42:51 <CTLAdvance> e
Jun 29 04:42:55 <dohtem> alt-tab to notepad++, change, save, alt-tab to Chrome, hit f5.  Fantastic!
Jun 29 04:42:59 <rwatkins> no build, no random other simulator, etc.  just .. browser.
Jun 29 04:43:02 <mattsmcnulty> you can enyo dev in your living room too
Jun 29 04:43:05 <summatusmentis> people who need a webkit browser that isn't safari?
Jun 29 04:43:08 <LoneStar99> i will have to wait like a month plus for TP purchase =(
Jun 29 04:43:09 <CTLAdvance> yeah do the same with Safari
Jun 29 04:43:20 <CTLAdvance> Notepad++ is pretty nice
Jun 29 04:43:45 <CTLAdvance> LoneStar99 by that time they will be reduced price :)
Jun 29 04:43:49 <torchie> WOO NOTEPAD++
Jun 29 04:43:52 <rwatkins> worked on a few platforms over the years where UI was in html/css/cs and they always devolved into a build process or some special tool to run the code.  F5 rox.
Jun 29 04:43:56 <torchie> woo notepad++*
Jun 29 04:44:18 <rwatkins> s/cs /js /
Jun 29 04:44:42 <CTLAdvance> wait until the notepad++ team builds notepad+++ and Notepad#
Jun 29 04:44:51 <CTLAdvance> boom shakalaka
Jun 29 04:44:51 <torchie> notepad+++, notepad++ with social networking features
Jun 29 04:44:57 <summatusmentis> what does notepad++ have?
Jun 29 04:44:58 <torchie> and my nook
Jun 29 04:44:59 <CTLAdvance> ah interesting
Jun 29 04:45:00 <torchie> suddenly works again
Jun 29 04:45:01 <torchie> hype
Jun 29 04:45:09 <summatusmentis> like, why? would I use it?
Jun 29 04:45:17 <LoneStar99> komodo edit & eclipse here
Jun 29 04:45:28 <halfhalo> textmate
Jun 29 04:45:32 <torchie> you would use it because you're not on a mac
Jun 29 04:45:34 <mattsmcnulty> ares 2.0 kicks the ass of all others
Jun 29 04:45:36 <torchie> and that's pretty much it
Jun 29 04:45:43 <CTLAdvance> I use eclipse and notepad+ + at teh same time to edit the same files
Jun 29 04:45:47 <halfhalo> showoff with your fancy web based tools.
Jun 29 04:45:50 <halfhalo> :p
Jun 29 04:45:51 <torchie> can't wait to get a mbp and BBEdit
Jun 29 04:45:56 <summatusmentis> meh, I just use gvim
Jun 29 04:46:00 <plem> notepad++ is quality
Jun 29 04:46:00 <CTLAdvance> lol ares, thats so 2009
Jun 29 04:46:01 <torchie> ooh mr hardcore
Jun 29 04:46:04 <summatusmentis> or, I guess technically macvim
Jun 29 04:46:07 <CTLAdvance> 2009/10
Jun 29 04:46:09 <NuttyBunny> oops... isn't there a way to change the lcd+digitizer??! :S
Jun 29 04:46:15 <summatusmentis> but, you know, vim is on every platform I want :)
Jun 29 04:46:19 <torchie> lol
Jun 29 04:46:32 <CTLAdvance> would BBEdit be the equiv of Notepad++?
Jun 29 04:46:38 <torchie> i keep trying to sit down and learn vim so i can turn into some kind of flying wizard
Jun 29 04:46:43 * halfhalo goes to catch his dog.  brb.
Jun 29 04:46:46 <torchie> i just never get around to it
Jun 29 04:46:52 <torchie> yeah CTL pretty similar featureset
Jun 29 04:46:55 <summatusmentis> spend the time doing it
Jun 29 04:46:58 <summatusmentis> it's worth it
Jun 29 04:46:59 <torchie> I hear textmate is badass too
Jun 29 04:47:04 <CTLAdvance> SAWEET - freeware/OSS?
Jun 29 04:47:07 <summatusmentis> I've heard that, but I'm not paying for it
Jun 29 04:47:11 <torchie> nope and nope
Jun 29 04:47:12 <rwatkins> emacs FTW
Jun 29 04:47:22 <CTLAdvance> I have been dying for an notepad++ equiv for my macs...
Jun 29 04:47:27 <torchie> textwrangler is the free version
Jun 29 04:47:33 <CTLAdvance> barg
Jun 29 04:47:39 <CTLAdvance> damn
Jun 29 04:47:39 <torchie> it has the majority of things bbedit has
Jun 29 04:47:43 <torchie> so you could just rock the wrangler
Jun 29 04:47:57 <rwatkins> emacs.  free. crossplatform.  programmable to do anything, even make coffee.
Jun 29 04:47:58 <torchie> is textmate on the mac app store
Jun 29 04:48:03 <CTLAdvance> rock the wrangler? sounds like something I should do on google+
Jun 29 04:48:06 <torchie> emacs is an operating system ok
Jun 29 04:48:12 <torchie> we're talking about text editors here
Jun 29 04:48:14 <summatusmentis> this :)
Jun 29 04:48:18 <CTLAdvance> lets turn google+ into the next chat rou...
Jun 29 04:48:23 <torchie> emacs+
Jun 29 04:48:31 <torchie> an operating system with social networking features
Jun 29 04:48:54 <CTLAdvance> emacs plus, lets you hang out with your ...
Jun 29 04:48:54 <rwatkins> "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.
Jun 29 04:49:09 <LoneStar99> frontpage 99
Jun 29 04:49:14 <CTLAdvance> BOOM
Jun 29 04:49:16 <LoneStar99> LOL
Jun 29 04:49:32 <CTLAdvance> Microsofts Java Virtual Machine
Jun 29 04:49:34 <torchie> good thing I'm playing megaman battle network
Jun 29 04:49:40 <torchie> that game lets you read mail
Jun 29 04:49:48 <torchie> you even get attachments
Jun 29 04:50:21 <CTLAdvance> You know whats awesome.... awesome+, its being totally awesome + social networking
Jun 29 04:51:05 <CTLAdvance> wait until apple unviels I+ its everything you expect from I + social networking, and not ping
Jun 29 04:51:42 <CTLAdvance> the reason ping will be excluded is because they will launch ping+, its ping + social networking
Jun 29 04:52:11 * halfhalo is shamed.  he was outsmarted by his dog
Jun 29 04:52:17 <torchie> argh
Jun 29 04:52:22 <torchie> nook is getting all kinds of silly
Jun 29 04:52:37 <torchie> battery says it's not charging, alarmdroid crashing every 10 seconds, gameboid claiming I didn't pick a bios when i did
Jun 29 04:52:52 <CTLAdvance> argh
Jun 29 04:52:57 <summatusmentis> I seriously considered the nook color a while ago
Jun 29 04:53:05 <summatusmentis> I'm glad I waited, TouchPad sounds cooler
Jun 29 04:53:07 <torchie> it's nice
Jun 29 04:53:10 <torchie> it's also not ten inches
Jun 29 04:53:12 <summatusmentis> but, you know, more expensive
Jun 29 04:53:13 <torchie> and it's also android
Jun 29 04:53:15 <torchie> so yeah
Jun 29 04:53:23 <torchie> go touchpad
Jun 29 04:53:26 <summatusmentis> yeah, 7" seems too small
Jun 29 04:53:30 <mattsmcnulty> go touchpad!
Jun 29 04:53:32 <torchie> I'm wishing I got an ipad 1 or something
Jun 29 04:53:37 <CTLAdvance> Yeah... I have to say though, aside from android sucking, the 10.1 is really nice
Jun 29 04:53:40 <torchie> well I probably wouldn't have been able to
Jun 29 04:53:41 <NuttyBunny> argh... I just killed another Pre display.. :@
Jun 29 04:54:02 <summatusmentis> I'm disappointed in all of you
Jun 29 04:54:16 <CTLAdvance> your mom is disappointed in you....
Jun 29 04:54:36 <summatusmentis> there was a perfect, slow lob of sexual innuendo, and you all missed it
Jun 29 04:54:37 <torchie> BOOM
Jun 29 04:54:38 <CTLAdvance> I feel the forum collapses after 12:00AM EST
Jun 29 04:54:40 <torchie> wait what
Jun 29 04:54:41 <torchie> oh
Jun 29 04:54:42 <torchie> OH
Jun 29 04:54:43 <torchie> oh?
Jun 29 04:54:44 <torchie> oh.
Jun 29 04:54:53 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jun 29 04:55:12 <torchie> but yeah if someone says they think a 7" is a good idea
Jun 29 04:55:15 <torchie> they're lying.
Jun 29 04:55:32 <CTLAdvance> 7" is a bad idea unless its your phones screen size
Jun 29 04:55:32 <torchie> or maybe they're not lying and actually believe what they're saying
Jun 29 04:55:37 <torchie> but hey, people believed the world was flat
Jun 29 04:55:55 <mattsmcnulty> it's how you use it
Jun 29 04:56:32 <torchie> and when you use a device with a 7" screen you're always using it wrong
Jun 29 04:56:44 <CTLAdvance> unless its your phone
Jun 29 04:56:54 <torchie> heh
Jun 29 04:56:59 <torchie> 2 year contract with a galaxy tab
Jun 29 04:57:04 <torchie> stuff it in your skinny jeans
Jun 29 04:57:10 <torchie> whip it out on a call
Jun 29 04:57:14 <torchie> like a g6
Jun 29 04:57:14 <CTLAdvance> I said I wanted 5... and now were close to 7... soon the phone will just be included in tablet
Jun 29 04:57:22 <CTLAdvance> sorry
Jun 29 04:57:22 <torchie> lol 5
Jun 29 04:57:26 <CTLAdvance> were close to 5 now
Jun 29 04:57:33 <torchie> android is close to 5
Jun 29 04:57:33 <CTLAdvance> 4.5 - 4.75
Jun 29 04:57:39 <rwatkins> first thing everyone i saw did when they played with a galaxy tab - held it up to their ear and made that funny - "i'm answering the phone" face.
Jun 29 04:57:43 <torchie> human beings are hovering between 3.5 and 4.3
Jun 29 04:57:59 <torchie> yeah I pretty much did the same thing
Jun 29 04:58:07 <torchie> and I still do it with my nook color every once in a while
Jun 29 04:58:08 <summatusmentis> we're still talking about phones right?
Jun 29 04:58:09 <CTLAdvance> and gods use bigger screens, what are you saying, I am not a human being?
Jun 29 05:00:19 <torchie> you're more like that line between a wizard and a cyborg
Jun 29 05:00:20 <torchie> namean?
Jun 29 05:00:53 <mattsmcnulty> I always thought a good veer ad would involve everyone walking around using galaxy tabs as phones
Jun 29 05:01:08 <torchie> lol
Jun 29 05:01:22 <CTLAdvance> eek... the veer should not exist imo...
Jun 29 05:01:28 <torchie> yeah...
Jun 29 05:01:30 <torchie> BUT
Jun 29 05:01:35 <CTLAdvance> it does I know it
Jun 29 05:01:37 <torchie> why isn't there an actual commercial about everyone elses phones being like
Jun 29 05:01:40 <torchie> too big.
Jun 29 05:01:46 <rwatkins> playing that "your phones too big" game when your about to come out with a Pre3 seems a bit ... odd tho.
Jun 29 05:01:48 <mattsmcnulty> exactly
Jun 29 05:01:50 <torchie> there's just pacquiao and cosgrove
Jun 29 05:01:58 <CTLAdvance> because you cant define it, it would just make the veer look to small
Jun 29 05:02:00 <mattsmcnulty> I personally like the veer
Jun 29 05:02:01 <torchie> what I really don't get is
Jun 29 05:02:08 <torchie> the original pre is already damn tiny
Jun 29 05:02:10 <oil_pre> veer is nice phone
Jun 29 05:02:10 <CTLAdvance> like hey my oversized phone can comfortably view web pages
Jun 29 05:02:13 <mattsmcnulty> but it is aimed at specific demographics, imo
Jun 29 05:02:13 <halfhalo> white veer=pandaphone
Jun 29 05:02:14 <torchie> like
Jun 29 05:02:17 <torchie> it's tinier than the centro
Jun 29 05:02:21 <CTLAdvance> oh sorry you have a veer, but at least it fits in your pocket
Jun 29 05:02:22 <mattsmcnulty> I am not fond of the white
Jun 29 05:02:23 <CTLAdvance> lolz?
Jun 29 05:02:31 <torchie> and then the pixi is tinier than the pre
Jun 29 05:02:35 <torchie> and the veer, smaller than the pixi?
Jun 29 05:02:36 <halfhalo> i love my white little veer.
Jun 29 05:02:50 <halfhalo> esp since it pulls down 8Mb/s
Jun 29 05:02:51 <torchie> except now with a slider and no 3.5mm?
Jun 29 05:02:52 <mattsmcnulty> I like the black as it is soft-touch
Jun 29 05:02:55 <summatusmentis> do any of you veer owners use it as a music device?
Jun 29 05:03:16 <summatusmentis> torchie: yeah, that's what I'm worried about, I have headphones attached to my phone way too frequently
Jun 29 05:03:20 <mattsmcnulty> if you do I apologize
Jun 29 05:03:34 <CTLAdvance> mattsmcnulty - yeah and I hope its selling to them as well, just not the phone to me, and I have used them now on a few occasions... eek
Jun 29 05:03:45 <summatusmentis> mattsmcnulty: nah dude, OG pre here :)
Jun 29 05:03:47 <torchie> apologize for me rocking koto player with the pre-'s pretty good DAC
Jun 29 05:04:13 * halfhalo rocks zune hd for music stuff, and a samsung focus for a video player.
Jun 29 05:04:14 <torchie> and apologize for me using music through the nexus S with its wolfson wm8994 and equalizer
Jun 29 05:04:17 <rwatkins> ya, the soft black is a nice finish. like it much better than the original pre
Jun 29 05:04:29 <mattsmcnulty> oh right, halfhalo and his zune
Jun 29 05:04:31 <mattsmcnulty> forgot about that
Jun 29 05:04:36 <rwatkins> ha
Jun 29 05:04:39 <sugardave> mattsmcnulty: Ares 2.0?  How do I get in on that? :D
Jun 29 05:04:59 <mattsmcnulty> sugardave: we'll do an alpha or something pre-release just as soon as we can
Jun 29 05:04:59 <sugardave> I can send you a Palmmail
Jun 29 05:05:12 <mattsmcnulty> it's a fairly dramatic redo
Jun 29 05:05:13 <sugardave> but I'm internal now :D
Jun 29 05:05:27 <torchie> what's the new ares all about
Jun 29 05:05:33 <mattsmcnulty> building apps
Jun 29 05:05:40 <summatusmentis> I assume enyo compat
Jun 29 05:05:42 <rwhitby> one assumes it's Ares for Enyo
Jun 29 05:05:43 <sugardave> torchie: I would guess Enyo support :P
Jun 29 05:05:44 <mattsmcnulty> yeah
Jun 29 05:05:51 * halfhalo hearts his zune.  and superamoled.  'nuff said.
Jun 29 05:05:55 <rwhitby> hey mattsmcnulty
Jun 29 05:05:56 <mattsmcnulty> written in enyo, builds enyo
Jun 29 05:06:05 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: you going to OSCON at all?
Jun 29 05:06:52 <mattsmcnulty> don't think so.
Jun 29 05:07:00 <rwhitby> bummer, HP is flying me over and I was thinking I might get a chance to finally have a beer with you.
Jun 29 05:07:08 <mattsmcnulty> where is it and when?
Jun 29 05:07:21 <torchie> superamoled is strange
Jun 29 05:07:26 <rwhitby> Portland, July 25-28
Jun 29 05:07:27 <torchie> like
Jun 29 05:07:33 <torchie> you can spot a galaxy S from so far away
Jun 29 05:08:05 <mattsmcnulty> I'll be in NYC those dates
Jun 29 05:08:08 <CTLAdvance> wait till the s2 drops, you will be able to spot it from 100 yards...
Jun 29 05:08:37 <torchie> if only google could put out a nexus based on the s2 in the next couple of weeks
Jun 29 05:08:55 <torchie> that phone is
Jun 29 05:08:56 <torchie> hot
Jun 29 05:08:57 <torchie> in topeka
Jun 29 05:09:53 <NuttyBunny> Anyone selling a(nother) front Pre minus assembly? (need working digitizer/LCD) :(
Jun 29 05:10:13 <mattsmcnulty> wait, there is a market for those? hmmmm
Jun 29 05:10:24 <mattsmcnulty> you should friggin' see one of my desk drawers
Jun 29 05:10:45 <halfhalo> pics or it never happened.
Jun 29 05:11:05 <mattsmcnulty> I am at home or I would. It's hilarious
Jun 29 05:11:13 <mattsmcnulty> palm graveyard
Jun 29 05:11:32 <mattsmcnulty> lemke has like one or more of everything palm has ever made in his cube
Jun 29 05:11:46 <bpadalino> do you pour out some malt liquor whenever you accidentally open that drawer ?
Jun 29 05:12:16 <CTLAdvance> that would be a waste
Jun 29 05:12:48 <summatusmentis> a waste of malt liquor? it's not like it's expensive
Jun 29 05:13:01 <summatusmentis> I just finished my undergrad, I should know :)
Jun 29 05:13:05 <CTLAdvance> I think he drinks some when he realizes the failed potential... if only there had been more funding...
Jun 29 05:13:15 <CTLAdvance> if only we had worked longer hours...
Jun 29 05:13:18 <CTLAdvance> ;-)
Jun 29 05:13:33 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jun 29 05:13:35 <sugardave> grim
Jun 29 05:15:21 <rwatkins> ready to submit to teh app catalog again.  just *one* more bug ...
Jun 29 05:15:53 <mattsmcnulty> I think I should take a dremel to a folio and make a touchpad case
Jun 29 05:16:04 <halfhalo> yes
Jun 29 05:16:10 <NuttyBunny> mattsmcnulty: you should help my mom and send me one of those screens you have lying around ;)
Jun 29 05:16:15 <rwatkins> swing by lemke's - sounds like he'd have one.
Jun 29 05:17:06 <mattsmcnulty> oh there are folio stashes around
Jun 29 05:17:18 <mattsmcnulty> they came really close to release so there are a ton around the office
Jun 29 05:18:06 <CTLAdvance> matt - do you have developer folios
Jun 29 05:18:10 <dkirker> there are almost way too many...
Jun 29 05:18:10 <mattsmcnulty> lol
Jun 29 05:18:13 * halfhalo pictures an old shed out back just full of foleo box's
Jun 29 05:19:16 <mattsmcnulty> so everyone buying a touchpad friday?
Jun 29 05:19:21 <rwatkins> yep.
Jun 29 05:19:41 <mattsmcnulty> and blogging/writing/etc about enyo when the NDA is lifted friday?
Jun 29 05:19:44 <mattsmcnulty> :-)
Jun 29 05:20:02 <mattsmcnulty> and especially praising the mail, browser, and maps apps of course
Jun 29 05:20:02 <bpadalino> i might need a little more help than $50 :(
Jun 29 05:20:05 <summatusmentis> if I can figure out a way to afford it, I will
Jun 29 05:20:16 <mattsmcnulty> you have two whole kidneys
Jun 29 05:20:20 <summatusmentis> bpadalino: I'm in the same boat
Jun 29 05:20:22 <rwatkins> will be a bit tweaked when i find the dev ones are cheaper, but flying out of the country on the 3rd, so need it in my hot lil hands on teh 1st.
Jun 29 05:20:22 <mattsmcnulty> that just seems excessive
Jun 29 05:20:28 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: true
Jun 29 05:20:30 <CTLAdvance> Hey I paid cash for my pre1 in 2009, and got burned with no 2.0update.... think I am doing the launch day thing again?
Jun 29 05:20:34 <halfhalo> silly money.  always in the way.
Jun 29 05:20:45 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: can you stack the $50 rebates? :P
Jun 29 05:20:49 <bpadalino> that could be helpful
Jun 29 05:20:55 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: it's not the money that's in the way, more like the lack of money :)
Jun 29 05:21:18 <halfhalo> semantics
Jun 29 05:21:23 <mattsmcnulty> everyone saves receipts for cellphones for two years, right?
Jun 29 05:21:32 <rwatkins> browser needs to remember I was already half way down the page and set scroll when I click "back".
Jun 29 05:21:37 <CTLAdvance> oh god yeah.. oh wait.. no
Jun 29 05:21:38 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: just serial numbers
Jun 29 05:21:42 <summatusmentis> the email I got doesn't mention a receipt, just a device serial #
Jun 29 05:21:42 <mattsmcnulty> rwatkins: yes, it does
Jun 29 05:21:45 <CTLAdvance> dont even have sprint any more
Jun 29 05:21:48 <mattsmcnulty> cool
Jun 29 05:21:52 <CTLAdvance> dropped them in march
Jun 29 05:22:02 <mattsmcnulty> all I saw was the blurb and was worried the bar was too high
Jun 29 05:22:09 <mattsmcnulty> serial num is perfect
Jun 29 05:22:13 <sugardave> Friday?  If that's true I will be sad because I will miss all the glory of telling people how to do stuff because I'm leaving for vacation that day
Jun 29 05:22:21 <rwatkins> ya
Jun 29 05:22:35 <oil_pre> awwww
Jun 29 05:22:36 <summatusmentis> sugardave: just make them available early
Jun 29 05:22:37 <dkirker> sugardave: NO VACATION!
Jun 29 05:22:41 <halfhalo> sugardave: vacation? already? jeese.
Jun 29 05:22:56 <mattsmcnulty> apparently sugardave was not told our vacation policy
Jun 29 05:23:12 <summatusmentis> "spend vacation on IRC"
Jun 29 05:23:13 <sugardave> hey, non-refundable...what can I say?  I cleared it with Gray, so it's all good :D
Jun 29 05:23:23 <mattsmcnulty> no, you are allowed to take a few saturdays or sundays off per year
Jun 29 05:23:30 <sugardave> haha
Jun 29 05:23:32 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  where you goin?
Jun 29 05:23:33 <mattsmcnulty> but no fridays. I mean what is this, france?
Jun 29 05:23:49 <rwatkins> you can sleep plenty when your dead.
Jun 29 05:23:54 <sugardave> LoneStar99: Pitkin, CO
Jun 29 05:23:58 <summatusmentis> I should get a real job
Jun 29 05:23:58 <frankos72> hello all.
Jun 29 05:24:03 <RagingMind> receipts?  I probably actually do have my receipt from when I bought my pre+
Jun 29 05:24:11 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  right on
Jun 29 05:24:13 <sugardave> my uncle has a cabin in Gunnison National Forest
Jun 29 05:24:15 <mattsmcnulty> ragingmind: no, apparently just serial number
Jun 29 05:24:16 * halfhalo has the box for every webos device he owns
Jun 29 05:24:19 <sugardave> it's awesome up there
Jun 29 05:24:21 <RagingMind> but I'm not sure I could find it by july 31
Jun 29 05:24:28 <LoneStar99> should be killer out there
Jun 29 05:24:32 <halfhalo> although i have only paid for two.  my launch pre and a pixi plus recently.
Jun 29 05:24:36 <mattsmcnulty> my brother has the box for like every palm and handspring thing he owned and it is ilke a huge pile
Jun 29 05:24:40 <CTLAdvance> I was like 8 pre's in from my original
Jun 29 05:24:45 <mattsmcnulty> now includes a folio, as his xmas present
Jun 29 05:24:46 <CTLAdvance> does that count
Jun 29 05:24:46 <RagingMind> mattsmcnulty, yeah I've been following it, just pointing out that some people are anal enough to actually keep such things :)
Jun 29 05:24:53 <frankos72> LOL, I have my box, but the receipt......  I'll be looking
Jun 29 05:25:12 <frankos72> anyone got time for a little troubleshooting?  https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15680
Jun 29 05:25:19 * rwatkins lives in NYC and has no room for such things.
Jun 29 05:25:26 <dkirker> I have a lot of the boxes for my Palm devices
Jun 29 05:26:03 <mattsmcnulty> frankos72: the problem is you are using mojo
Jun 29 05:26:09 <rwatkins> ha
Jun 29 05:26:11 <frankos72> LOL
Jun 29 05:26:23 <frankos72> I"M SOOOO close to finishing this app.
Jun 29 05:26:33 <frankos72> then it's getting upgraded to enyo.
Jun 29 05:28:16 <rwatkins> who was the architect of mojo?
Jun 29 05:28:22 <RagingMind> I still don't have an email coupon notice. are they still coming out?
Jun 29 05:28:24 <mattsmcnulty> satan
Jun 29 05:28:30 <bpadalino> ha!
Jun 29 05:28:33 <dkirker> rwatkins: a team of guys
Jun 29 05:28:40 <mattsmcnulty> I am obviously kidding
Jun 29 05:28:43 <mattsmcnulty> satan just contributed
Jun 29 05:29:06 <dkirker> at some point, I think
Jun 29 05:29:18 <rwatkins> i'm sure it was a grand idea at the time.
Jun 29 05:29:31 <rwatkins> be interesting to see how we look back at enyo 1.0 in 2-3 yrs.
Jun 29 05:30:10 <mattsmcnulty> you mean after we release yoyo 1.0?
Jun 29 05:30:19 <mattsmcnulty> oh shit, I let the cat out of the bag
Jun 29 05:30:23 <rwatkins> the greek god of toys?
Jun 29 05:30:23 <bpadalino> i can't wait to see what webos 3.0 stuff shows up on opensource.palm.com after friday
Jun 29 05:30:25 * halfhalo bets it will be written in vb.
Jun 29 05:30:30 <sugardave> I'm pretty sure the yoyos are already loose
Jun 29 05:31:26 <mattsmcnulty> all the good shit is written in delphi
Jun 29 05:31:40 <bpadalino> ada or bust
Jun 29 05:31:42 <chpwn> "We cannot save your app submission at this time. HP has been notified. Please try submitting your app later."
Jun 29 05:31:43 <chpwn> hmm
Jun 29 05:31:52 <bpadalino> such strong typing
Jun 29 05:32:44 <halfhalo> lisp!
Jun 29 05:32:50 <summatusmentis> nytol
Jun 29 05:32:56 <mattsmcnulty> enyo contains some homages to borland
Jun 29 05:33:00 <chpwn> hm, so I got that error, but the form seems to work. heh.
Jun 29 05:33:07 <mattsmcnulty> dev portal ftw
Jun 29 05:33:35 <chpwn> hey, it's so much simpler than Apple's or Google's!
Jun 29 05:33:51 <mattsmcnulty> haven't tried google's
Jun 29 05:34:02 <chpwn> Apple's is painful, Google's is just confusing.
Jun 29 05:34:13 <sugardave> halfhalo: are you channeling madnificent or something?
Jun 29 05:34:20 <mattsmcnulty> but at least with google you can call them and get someone on the line to help. oh wait
Jun 29 05:34:22 <chpwn> Also, webOS 3.0 seems to *hate* the right shift key.
Jun 29 05:34:28 <chpwn> er, oops.
Jun 29 05:34:42 <halfhalo> sugardave: psh. no.
Jun 29 05:34:43 <sugardave> way to go, chpwn
Jun 29 05:34:46 <chpwn> :(
Jun 29 05:34:57 <summatusmentis> NOW WE'LL NEVER GET OUR TOUCHPADS
Jun 29 05:35:07 <mattsmcnulty> yeah dude, way to leak that emulator feature
Jun 29 05:35:07 <chpwn> I SAW IT IN A YOUTUBE VIDEO I SWEAR
Jun 29 05:35:08 <halfhalo> aww
Jun 29 05:35:13 <RagingMind> I'm really not a fan of the $50 discount...
Jun 29 05:35:26 <mattsmcnulty> next thing you know there will be a big precentral article about the right shift key
Jun 29 05:35:29 <sugardave> RagingMind: donate it ;)
Jun 29 05:35:45 <halfhalo> for science!
Jun 29 05:36:57 <RagingMind> I can't afford a touchpad... so me being too poor for a touchpad somehow now excludes me from this "make it right" initiative
Jun 29 05:37:55 <RagingMind> and it's just the 32GB, like wtf?  if I could afford a TP, I'd only get a 16GB anyway.  so I'd still save myself $50 by ignoring the coupon
Jun 29 05:40:03 <rwatkins> save yourself $500 and not get one at all?
Jun 29 05:40:26 <mattsmcnulty> sacrilege!
Jun 29 05:40:47 <torchie> is this the real make it right initiative?
Jun 29 05:40:52 <torchie> what if it's only a taste
Jun 29 05:41:03 <rwhitby> you know what's funny about this rebate thing?
Jun 29 05:41:11 <mattsmcnulty> yeah there is a make it really really right coming later
Jun 29 05:41:18 <rwhitby> If you turned off "tell me about special offers" in your palm profile, you won't see it :)
Jun 29 05:41:19 <RagingMind> I'm actually thinking of selling my netbook, using my birthday money (late july), and using best buy's 0% financing option...  *sigh*
Jun 29 05:41:25 <mattsmcnulty> folios for all
Jun 29 05:41:34 <chpwn> hah
Jun 29 05:41:34 <torchie> all pre- owners get
Jun 29 05:41:35 <torchie> TEN
Jun 29 05:41:36 <RagingMind> I'd play with a folio :)
Jun 29 05:41:36 <torchie> MILLION
Jun 29 05:41:39 <torchie> jillion
Jun 29 05:41:41 <torchie> fifillion
Jun 29 05:41:45 <mattsmcnulty> and a zire
Jun 29 05:41:48 <rwhitby> cause I've got about 15 palm profiles, and the only emails I got were on the two which have that turned on.
Jun 29 05:41:51 <chpwn> mattsmcnulty: Tapwave Zodiac!
Jun 29 05:42:03 <torchie> gizmondo
Jun 29 05:42:04 <RagingMind> rwhitby, really? that would explain why I don't see it I suppose...
Jun 29 05:42:15 <torchie> yeah I don't think I got that email either
Jun 29 05:44:12 <rwhitby> I wish I could get my head around Futures
Jun 29 05:44:25 <mattsmcnulty> dont bother
Jun 29 05:44:33 <mattsmcnulty> imo
Jun 29 05:45:03 <torchie> i had a zire
Jun 29 05:45:04 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: I'm patching existing code, so I need to understand how it works and how to put an intercept in it.
Jun 29 05:45:05 <torchie> the original
Jun 29 05:45:07 <torchie> man that thing was baller
Jun 29 05:45:27 <torchie> you could overclock it to be fast enough to emulate pokemon in phoinix
Jun 29 05:45:35 <torchie> and then enjoy not having enough buttons to play it
Jun 29 05:45:37 <halfhalo> futures are... interesting
Jun 29 05:46:00 <torchie> futures?
Jun 29 05:46:34 <torchie> oh man, the other aewsome thing about zire
Jun 29 05:46:47 <torchie> didn't have enough memory to hold many things besides like 2 gameboy roms lol
Jun 29 05:47:05 <torchie> but man, it was a hell of a calendar/alarm
Jun 29 05:50:01 <chpwn> nice, my screenshot's filename contains invalid characters
Jun 29 05:50:08 <chpwn> (why is that an issue, lol)
Jun 29 05:50:40 <rwatkins> because they upload the filename as is to the CDN server for the link frmo the app catalog
Jun 29 05:50:50 <rwatkins> so .. filename restrictions.
Jun 29 05:51:11 <chpwn> heh, weird
Jun 29 05:51:22 <chpwn> renamed it "tpfour.png" and that worked
Jun 29 05:51:49 <rwatkins> "it hurts when i do this."  "dont do that."
Jun 29 05:54:24 <mattsmcnulty> ok, bedtime. catch ya later all
Jun 29 05:54:35 <LoneStar99> laters mattsmcnulty
Jun 29 05:54:54 <rwatkins> later, rest up before the big party
Jun 29 05:56:15 <dkirker> mattsmcnulty: NO SLEEPING! Not until Friday. :)
Jun 29 05:56:26 <chpwn> Wow, this is impressive: I've crashed/broken Chrome, Lion, the dev portal, and more just trying to submit this app.
Jun 29 05:56:38 <torchie> what ever happened to sleeping until friday
Jun 29 05:56:44 <torchie> and then not sleeping until the dust has settled
Jun 29 05:56:59 <dkirker> I am beginning to hate computers...
Jun 29 05:57:03 <mattsmcnulty> oh, we're done with the software that is flashed on the devices - been done for weeks. still have one or two i's to dot for the sdk but that's it
Jun 29 05:57:24 <torchie> chpwn: maybe it's because you're running a beta operating system
Jun 29 05:57:32 <dkirker> haha
Jun 29 05:57:41 <chpwn> torchie: most likely
Jun 29 05:57:46 <chpwn> although I don't think that broke the dev portal.
Jun 29 05:57:55 <chpwn> oh, great, now my wifi's dead
Jun 29 05:58:10 <dkirker> Why do I keep reading "wifi" as "wife"?...
Jun 29 05:58:19 <dkirker> That was HORRIBLE...
Jun 29 05:59:05 <torchie> huh i guess when apple says beta they actually mean that
Jun 29 05:59:20 <torchie> and when google says beta they mean almost-a-release-candidate!
Jun 29 05:59:24 <chpwn> LOL
Jun 29 06:00:18 <torchie> pre+ - like a smartphone, but with social networking features
Jun 29 06:00:26 <dohtem> torchie: more like, lets see what users complain about.  Then we know what to fix
Jun 29 06:00:48 <torchie> let's see what users depending on the software complain about. Then we know to cancel the project while they're using it
Jun 29 06:07:24 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 29 06:08:38 <RagingMind> dkirker, because your webos device reads wifi as wife?
Jun 29 06:08:47 <dkirker> haha
Jun 29 06:11:25 <torchie> i've gotten some strange autocorrects outta 2.1
Jun 29 06:11:36 <torchie> like instead of "bros," "Bross"
Jun 29 06:11:44 <torchie> because clearly bross is more common
Jun 29 06:13:27 <discombobulate> i use it daily
Jun 29 06:42:03 <LoneStar99> ok laters folks c u all in a some ahours
Jun 29 06:42:44 <hotdp> night LoneStar99
Jun 29 06:44:21 <LoneStar99> laters hotdp
Jun 29 07:32:33 <Legacy> $50 off my touchpad yay
Jun 29 07:34:35 <Legacy> plus free $50 case
Jun 29 07:38:43 <Legacy> Today my Pre Plus's power button broke ):
Jun 29 07:39:14 <Legacy> only way to start up the phone is by charging it lawl
Jun 29 07:40:04 <Legacy> So the Pre 3 better be available soon, my current phone's hanging by a thread
Jun 29 07:40:50 <Legacy> the volume buttons are broken, gesture area's light acts funky, and now my power button's fucked
Jun 29 07:47:26 <Technikfreak> hi is there a file explorer for palm?
Jun 29 07:48:30 <Technikfreak> and something like whatsapp
Jun 29 07:48:52 <Legacy> ?
Jun 29 07:48:56 <Legacy> yes
Jun 29 07:49:01 <Legacy> Internalz
Jun 29 07:49:30 <Technikfreak> the channel=?
Jun 29 07:49:37 <Legacy> ?
Jun 29 07:50:45 <Technikfreak> ir waht is internalz?
Jun 29 07:51:09 <Legacy> internalz is a file explorer
Jun 29 07:51:13 <Technikfreak> ah
Jun 29 07:51:27 <Legacy> isn't whatsapp a free texting app?
Jun 29 07:51:39 <Legacy> Not sure if webOS has one of those
Jun 29 07:52:20 <Technikfreak> ah ok
Jun 29 07:52:58 <Technikfreak> and i have a palm pre 2 with webos and there isn't a virtual keyboard, is htere also a "hidden" app?
Jun 29 08:01:53 <Legacy> there's a patch to enable the virtual keyboard
Jun 29 08:27:59 <Legacy> lol, went to two different walmart supercenters in my state looking for the Touchpad
Jun 29 08:29:51 <Legacy> one store had a nice display of it, one of the tech workers knew what the touchpad was and told me they were still waiting for their demo unit to get there
Jun 29 08:30:40 <Legacy> (this was a large walmart, but the only demo unit they had out was Acer's tablet)
Jun 29 08:32:08 <Legacy> The othe Walmart Supercenter had 5 tablets on display, but never heard of the touchpad, and nothing related to the touchpad in sight
Jun 29 08:32:13 <Legacy> *other
Jun 29 08:32:21 <Technikfreak> on first july they will come
Jun 29 08:33:39 <hotdp> Did you bay the Acer ? ;)
Jun 29 08:34:15 <Legacy> nawww
Jun 29 08:34:38 <Legacy> but the Blackberry Playbook looked really nice
Jun 29 08:34:51 <hotdp> its to small..
Jun 29 08:34:53 <Legacy> great formfactor for a 7" IMO
Jun 29 08:36:16 <Legacy> I like 10" tablets better but the portibality of the 7" may be a reason to get it
Jun 29 08:37:11 <Legacy> But when I found the playbook the damn Tetris game had glitched up the tablet - something to do with device orientation
Jun 29 08:38:50 <Legacy> I saw a similar issue in a video with HP's ePrint app on the touchpad, switching the orientation because it isn't friendly in portrait mode. =/
Jun 29 09:21:16 <LoneStar_oLYKa> hello. I don't have the "Debug As webOS Application" option in eclipse
Jun 29 09:21:53 <LoneStar_oLYKa> it's not in the Debug Configuration list
Jun 29 09:22:03 <LoneStar_oLYKa> sth went wrong?
Jun 29 10:19:50 <LoneStar_oLYKa> so, the onmousedown/onmouseup event won't trigger in webOS, ?
Jun 29 10:46:55 <LoneStar_oLYKa> can a scene associate with multiple assistants?
Jun 29 11:33:13 <hotdp> rwhitby-tp: No need to show of!
Jun 29 11:50:02 <Hendikins> Heh
Jun 29 11:51:12 <Hendikins> Is the Linux version of Novacom available to the public new enough to doctor the Veer with, or will I once again have the problem of a released phone requiring a version of Novacom that is under NDA?
Jun 29 11:54:25 <Hendikins> (Or will I just have to poke at it when my Veer lands tomorrow?)
Jun 29 12:20:48 <LoneStar_oLYKa> how can I change the title of my app?
Jun 29 12:21:12 <hotdp> inf the config
Jun 29 12:21:22 <hotdp> in*
Jun 29 12:22:28 <LoneStar_oLYKa> inside eclipse?
Jun 29 12:23:12 <hotdp> no
Jun 29 12:23:22 <hotdp> Have you seen the "hello world" app?
Jun 29 12:24:54 <LoneStar_oLYKa> well, I created my first app and named it "Title Hello" by eclipse
Jun 29 12:25:39 <LoneStar_oLYKa> http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20110629-mn09-34kb.jpg
Jun 29 12:26:20 <LoneStar_oLYKa> is this a "hello world"?
Jun 29 12:26:51 <hotdp> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/building_your_first_app.html
Jun 29 12:27:06 <hotdp> Its a good start
Jun 29 12:27:12 <hotdp> there it is where you can change title
Jun 29 12:28:35 <LoneStar_oLYKa> thx. I read it
Jun 29 12:32:29 <LoneStar_oLYKa> I thought it was appinfo.json but thing doesn't change
Jun 29 12:35:05 <LoneStar_oLYKa> should I uninstall the old one first?
Jun 29 12:36:19 <LoneStar_oLYKa> ah, √ it is
Jun 29 14:02:00 <PatrickC> morning all
Jun 29 14:04:12 <hotdp> mornings
Jun 29 14:17:06 <PatrickC> hotdp: were you part of my beta team?
Jun 29 14:17:22 <hotdp> hmm don't think so :D
Jun 29 14:17:32 <hotdp> But i would like to be a Part og A-Team
Jun 29 14:17:37 <hotdp> *of
Jun 29 14:19:35 <PatrickC> anyone else who wants to be a beta tester
Jun 29 14:19:37 <PatrickC> PM me
Jun 29 14:22:48 <matbee> heh
Jun 29 14:22:54 <matbee> ever run the acid3 test on the touchpad?
Jun 29 14:22:58 <matbee> its hilariously embarassing
Jun 29 14:23:14 <matbee> "webos" doesn't even have moderate standards compliance
Jun 29 14:23:22 <matbee> 69% is what I got
Jun 29 14:24:04 <PatrickC> you got a tp?
Jun 29 14:24:08 <PatrickC> or walmarts? :)
Jun 29 14:24:14 <matbee> played with it at the toronto webos connect
Jun 29 14:24:48 <matbee> ---which---btw is definitely not geared towards developers
Jun 29 14:24:50 <matbee> lol
Jun 29 14:25:07 <matbee> they had lame speakers with lame products
Jun 29 14:25:15 <PatrickC> ok.. lol
Jun 29 14:25:31 <matbee> one guy came up, like, talking about how beautiful webos is to develop for --- blah blah
Jun 29 14:25:38 <matbee> and he didn't even show shots of his TP app
Jun 29 14:25:44 <PatrickC> :/
Jun 29 14:25:56 <matbee> pathetic, at best
Jun 29 14:26:10 <matbee> but i blame crappy canadian companies
Jun 29 14:26:32 <PatrickC> my 3 touchpad apps are coming along quite nicely :)
Jun 29 14:26:38 <matbee> sweet
Jun 29 14:26:47 <matbee> I'd love to make touchpad apps, but, i -refuse- to use enyo
Jun 29 14:27:03 <PatrickC> why?!?!
Jun 29 14:27:15 <matbee> so im working on my own framework to run on multiple os's using phonegap
Jun 29 14:27:16 <PatrickC> Enyo is so much easier to use! (or so I hear)
Jun 29 14:27:57 <PatrickC> sounds like fun
Jun 29 14:28:18 <matbee> yeah, they refuse to give out any type of licensing information for enyo
Jun 29 14:30:24 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 29 14:42:47 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 29 14:44:05 <hotdp> yo LoneStar99
Jun 29 14:44:39 <LoneStar99> howdy hotdp brb - gonna make  some pancakes
Jun 29 14:44:47 <hotdp> nice
Jun 29 15:15:06 <codeslaw> yo
Jun 29 15:17:25 <dcousineau> word
Jun 29 15:18:43 <PatrickC> back
Jun 29 15:18:58 <PatrickC> anyone want to be a beta tester?
Jun 29 15:19:18 <codeslaw> for what
Jun 29 15:19:32 <PatrickC> my new app(s)
Jun 29 15:20:05 <PatrickC> if anyone is interested, PM for more info
Jun 29 15:21:57 <codeslaw> emulator testing?
Jun 29 15:22:05 <PatrickC> emu and on-device
Jun 29 15:22:11 <codeslaw> i'll emu test it
Jun 29 15:22:13 <PatrickC> any pre series device is supported
Jun 29 15:22:25 <codeslaw> my pre is gone
Jun 29 15:22:52 <PatrickC> that's fine.
Jun 29 15:25:30 <PatrickC> codeslaw: see PM
Jun 29 15:29:57 <PatrickC> hey torchie
Jun 29 15:30:16 <halfhalo> weeeeee!
Jun 29 15:31:07 <PatrickC> ohno
Jun 29 15:32:59 <dawm_> soo.. its tomorrow.. why cant i answer more questions..
Jun 29 15:33:37 <halfhalo> because of the hippies?
Jun 29 15:34:05 <dawm_> went from #87 to #356 cause of this.. boo
Jun 29 15:34:51 <PatrickC> huh?
Jun 29 15:35:04 <dawm_> touchpad giveaway thing
Jun 29 15:35:14 * halfhalo has a crowbar for that
Jun 29 15:35:18 <g4lt> where?
Jun 29 15:35:31 <dawm_> https://apps.facebook.com/hplaunchline/
Jun 29 15:36:36 <PatrickC> grrrrrr.. stupid 18 or older junk
Jun 29 15:36:50 <halfhalo> heh, like people actually listen to that
Jun 29 15:37:27 * PatrickC does.. sadly
Jun 29 15:37:45 * halfhalo is not surprised at all.
Jun 29 15:37:52 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 15:37:57 <dawm_> heh
Jun 29 15:38:02 <dawm_> youtube people are funny
Jun 29 15:38:05 <PatrickC> I follow the rules.. unlike halfhalo
Jun 29 15:38:09 <dawm_> username: tbsloverfan
Jun 29 15:38:11 <PatrickC> dawm_: yeah lol
Jun 29 15:38:12 <dawm_> has 1 video
Jun 29 15:38:18 <PatrickC> about?
Jun 29 15:38:19 <dawm_> so much for being a lover/fan
Jun 29 15:38:27 <dawm_> a taking back sunday (tbs) song
Jun 29 15:38:36 <halfhalo> I have a saying: if you haven't run from the cops as a minor, then hold this bag and let me make a quick phone call.
Jun 29 15:40:37 <PatrickC> hahahahaha
Jun 29 15:42:28 <halfhalo> and thats why I no longer can go to arizona.
Jun 29 15:42:44 <PatrickC> ok... lol
Jun 29 15:44:56 <halfhalo> well, i can't go without being arrested.  silly laws.
Jun 29 15:45:33 * PatrickC goes to Arizona so halfhalo can't get him
Jun 29 15:47:24 <LoneStar99> Yuma 3.10
Jun 29 15:47:40 <g4lt> dawm_: looks like someone else is getting your "you've already answered your questions today"
Jun 29 15:47:50 <dawm_> ?
Jun 29 15:48:14 <dawm_> whoa.. they deleted my comment..
Jun 29 15:50:04 <PatrickC> weird
Jun 29 15:50:06 <PatrickC> I g2g
Jun 29 15:50:46 <PatrickC> email me @ patrickappcreator at gmail dot com  if interested in beta'ing
Jun 29 15:50:58 * halfhalo fires up bulk spammer
Jun 29 15:51:32 <LoneStar99> morning chuqui
Jun 29 15:52:27 * dkirker throws a puppy at chuqui
Jun 29 15:52:30 <dkirker> CATCH!
Jun 29 15:52:38 <chuqui> ow! (missed)
Jun 29 15:53:15 <halfhalo> :(
Jun 29 15:56:02 <dawm_> hrm
Jun 29 15:56:17 <dawm_> engadget has a list of their apps on the different platforms
Jun 29 15:56:26 <dawm_> its not in a-z order
Jun 29 15:56:44 <dawm_> webOS is above BB and Droid ;D
Jun 29 15:57:31 <torchie> topolsky <3 webos
Jun 29 15:57:47 <torchie> though he's out now
Jun 29 16:06:10 <hotdp> bbl
Jun 29 16:54:00 <NuttyBunny> queeeeeeeeestion!!... (3 in fact): 1. Is there any SNES emulator for the Pixi in the app cat? In Preware? Which is the best?  Thanks ;)
Jun 29 16:55:13 <dawm_> not that i know of
Jun 29 16:55:14 <dawm_> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1743880/
Jun 29 16:55:23 <dawm_> but there is a Napoleon Dynamite TV series appaerntly
Jun 29 16:57:55 <LoneStar99> anyone know if the the private forum is searchable?
Jun 29 16:58:37 * RagingMind hopes SDK 3 becomes public very soon
Jun 29 16:58:41 <summatusmentis> the non-private ones are searchable
Jun 29 16:58:49 <summatusmentis> so, I don't see why it wouldn't be
Jun 29 17:00:00 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scWAETwLojk
Jun 29 17:00:09 <codeslaw> i have a service package question
Jun 29 17:00:33 <codeslaw> are the folder names, i.e. myapp.package, myapp.service, strictly named?
Jun 29 17:00:51 <codeslaw> as in, are they required to be .package and .service and .appilcation?
Jun 29 17:01:41 <dohtem> LoneStar99: check your PM
Jun 29 17:03:34 <phoque> codeslaw, no
Jun 29 17:03:46 <phoque> you can use anything you like
Jun 29 17:03:59 <phoque> as you as you run "palm-package folder1 folder2 folder3 folder4 etc"
Jun 29 17:04:07 <codeslaw> cool, just double checkin
Jun 29 17:04:18 <phoque> not so with your app IDs
Jun 29 17:04:21 <codeslaw> wasn't sure if the packager was looking for specific extensions
Jun 29 17:04:22 <phoque> the service has to be a subdomain
Jun 29 17:04:24 <phoque> nope
Jun 29 17:04:35 <codeslaw> app id's, yes, got that
Jun 29 17:04:56 <phoque> make sure your appid only contains periods, and alpha (maybe alphanumeric) characters
Jun 29 17:05:02 <phoque> otherwise your app won't find the service
Jun 29 17:05:47 <codeslaw> cool
Jun 29 17:14:30 * PatrickC walks in thru open back door
Jun 29 17:14:41 <halfhalo> thats what he said
Jun 29 17:14:49 <summatusmentis> hey-yooooo
Jun 29 17:15:00 <summatusmentis> so, webos licensing rumors
Jun 29 17:15:09 <summatusmentis> and by rumors, I mean analyst claims
Jun 29 17:15:31 <torchie> analyst claims are like rumors but worse
Jun 29 17:15:55 <torchie> if hp licenses webos
Jun 29 17:15:56 <torchie> directly
Jun 29 17:15:57 <summatusmentis> well, arguably informed
Jun 29 17:15:58 <torchie> in the trash
Jun 29 17:16:09 <torchie> there is that one article
Jun 29 17:16:12 <torchie> licensing webos to HTC :(
Jun 29 17:16:21 <torchie> apotheker whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Jun 29 17:16:24 <summatusmentis> this is suggesting webos licensing to samsung
Jun 29 17:16:35 <torchie> oh well samsung is awesome
Jun 29 17:16:36 <PatrickC> I would like webos licensed
Jun 29 17:16:39 <summatusmentis> why are you opposed to licensing?
Jun 29 17:16:42 <torchie> but apotheker WHYYYYYYY
Jun 29 17:16:45 <PatrickC> I would finally get good hardware
Jun 29 17:16:51 <rwatkins> update for app submitted - so will it make launch Friday?
Jun 29 17:16:53 <torchie> because when you license it out you end up with garbage
Jun 29 17:17:05 <summatusmentis> garbage how?
Jun 29 17:17:09 <PatrickC> not necessarily..
Jun 29 17:17:09 <torchie> you end up with OEMs that have no understanding of your design language, your software constraints, your culture
Jun 29 17:17:13 <torchie> mucking up your operating system
Jun 29 17:17:17 <torchie> promoting incompatibility
Jun 29 17:17:24 <summatusmentis> depends on how much control you maintain in your licensure
Jun 29 17:17:30 <PatrickC> windows is licensed :)
Jun 29 17:17:38 <torchie> see what I mean?
Jun 29 17:17:41 * PatrickC hides
Jun 29 17:17:55 <PatrickC> android is licensed
Jun 29 17:17:57 * PatrickC runs
Jun 29 17:18:02 <torchie> exactly
Jun 29 17:18:13 <torchie> you can exert as much hard-assed control as microsoft does over WP7 and still have issues getting all the devices up to speed
Jun 29 17:18:32 <torchie> and have people like dell making devices with friggin 256MB ram when everyone else is doing 512
Jun 29 17:18:48 <LoneStar99> is there something similar to enyo that is open source?
Jun 29 17:18:50 <g4lt> well, the last time a palm OS got licensed, the licensees came up with some utter crap, like the samsung smartphones
Jun 29 17:18:50 <torchie> and HTC making silly designs like the HTC surround
Jun 29 17:18:55 <torchie> yeah
Jun 29 17:19:07 <torchie> when palm licensed palm OS, they got their crap wrecked
Jun 29 17:19:18 <PatrickC> well people would like webos on samsung hw
Jun 29 17:19:18 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: there are all sorts of web dev frameworks, if that's what you're asking
Jun 29 17:19:19 <torchie> even when there was crazy stuff like the clie peg
Jun 29 17:19:26 <PatrickC> according to the poll on pc
Jun 29 17:19:30 <torchie> when apple licensed for macintosh clones, they got their crap wrecked
Jun 29 17:19:39 <PatrickC> mac clones?
Jun 29 17:19:54 <summatusmentis> way before OS X
Jun 29 17:20:00 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 29 17:20:00 <summatusmentis> maybe... OS *?
Jun 29 17:20:02 <dawm_> you werent born yet PatrickC  ;p
Jun 29 17:20:03 <summatusmentis> OS 8?
Jun 29 17:20:06 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 29 17:20:08 <g4lt> PatrickC: not I.  last time palm+samsung met, it was horrid, the OS couldn't talk to the cel radio at all
Jun 29 17:20:09 <torchie> making trashy commodity os stacks has to be a part of your culture for you to succeed at it
Jun 29 17:20:38 <PatrickC> g4lt: I like samsung hw now, and I really like HTC hw..
Jun 29 17:20:52 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  for example Mojo = Prototype || Enyo = ??
Jun 29 17:21:00 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: that I don't know
Jun 29 17:21:01 <torchie> as much as a galaxy and nexus lover as I am
Jun 29 17:21:08 <PatrickC> Evo!!!
Jun 29 17:21:11 <dawm_> LoneStar99, its its own framework
Jun 29 17:21:13 <torchie> as amazing as samsung phones are in the android world
Jun 29 17:21:14 <PatrickC> and all its children :)
Jun 29 17:21:26 <torchie> they couldn't even get the filesystem right
Jun 29 17:21:34 <PatrickC> Evo 3D/Evo with webOS...
Jun 29 17:21:36 * PatrickC drools
Jun 29 17:21:43 <g4lt> how long will "now" last for samsung?  HTC will be there, samsung?  don't count on it
Jun 29 17:22:09 <dawm_> samsung now is way better than samsung then
Jun 29 17:22:13 <PatrickC> I like most android hw, but I hate android,
Jun 29 17:22:16 <PatrickC> yes
Jun 29 17:22:34 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
Jun 29 17:22:45 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: quite frankly, the hardware doesn't matter if you hate the OS
Jun 29 17:22:46 <torchie> well then petition for HP to get their hands on those components and integrate it
Jun 29 17:22:46 <dawm_> LoneStar99, its talked about in one of the web vids
Jun 29 17:22:54 <dawm_> i think from the feb9th dev event
Jun 29 17:22:55 <torchie> so they can actually SING harder than an android phone
Jun 29 17:23:12 <g4lt> if they can get some sort of graffiti, they's have total win
Jun 29 17:23:14 <torchie> not license it out so you get a bunch of crap everywhere
Jun 29 17:23:16 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: put webos on the Evo hw, and i'd be sooooo happy
Jun 29 17:23:23 <LoneStar99> dawm_: ok will post my question in the p.forum
Jun 29 17:23:40 <dawm_> but yes, mojo is on top of prototype
Jun 29 17:23:53 <dawm_> enyo is a whole different beast of its own
Jun 29 17:24:03 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: guh, Evo is giant
Jun 29 17:24:14 <PatrickC> fine... Evo 3D
Jun 29 17:25:02 <PatrickC> Screenshots Galore of HP TouchPad's Facebook App! @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/screenshots-galore-of-hp-touchpads-facebook-app/
Jun 29 17:25:15 <torchie> facebook? on MY tablet?
Jun 29 17:25:20 <torchie> isn't evo 3D gianter?
Jun 29 17:25:25 <torchie> and even skankier looking
Jun 29 17:25:29 <torchie> and...
Jun 29 17:25:30 <torchie> ..3D
Jun 29 17:25:34 <dawm_> yeah
Jun 29 17:25:34 <torchie> D:
Jun 29 17:25:48 <torchie> whoa check the pinnwand
Jun 29 17:25:52 <PatrickC> the Evo 3D is the same screen size, but the bezle is smaller..
Jun 29 17:25:59 <dawm_> first 3d phone.. wonder what all the glitches/problems are gonna be
Jun 29 17:26:00 <PatrickC> so the actual phone is smaller
Jun 29 17:26:00 <summatusmentis> 3D movies freak me out too much, I don't need angry birds flying at my face
Jun 29 17:26:07 <PatrickC> hahahahaha
Jun 29 17:26:10 <torchie> the question is is this app gonna beat project spartan
Jun 29 17:26:14 <PatrickC> 3D Angry Birds :P
Jun 29 17:26:20 <torchie> not the first 3D phone!
Jun 29 17:26:20 <cwayne> fuck 3d anything
Jun 29 17:26:34 <summatusmentis> especially not those bomb ones *shudder*
Jun 29 17:26:35 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 17:26:43 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 29 17:27:27 * cwayne hates 3d
Jun 29 17:27:31 <PatrickC> halfhalo: samoled pre-
Jun 29 17:27:34 <PatrickC> pre4*
Jun 29 17:27:46 <torchiere> samoled+
Jun 29 17:27:59 <torchiere> original samoled doesn't even seem to be better than a retina
Jun 29 17:28:00 <PatrickC> yes!
Jun 29 17:28:00 <dawm_> Patrick Schneider Maybe this is a webOS issue. PreCentral members report that SMS Forwarding (at Best Buy device) does not work with a Pre(-) and webOS 2.1. Tests with a Veer would be great.. this should really work.
Jun 29 17:28:08 <PatrickC> halfhalo would be so all over it
Jun 29 17:28:15 <torchiere> kind of wish webos just went straight to retina
Jun 29 17:28:24 <PatrickC> yeah :/
Jun 29 17:28:25 <torchiere> WVGA's like a weird stopgap resolution that's not the same aspect ratio
Jun 29 17:28:40 <torchiere> and already getting replaced by qHD...
Jun 29 17:29:04 <summatusmentis> cwayne: I don't hate it, I just see no use for it
Jun 29 17:29:15 <cwayne> summatusmentis: i can't use it :(
Jun 29 17:29:22 <summatusmentis> how come?
Jun 29 17:29:24 <torchiere> I'd hate it if uselessness was the worst of its problems
Jun 29 17:29:33 <torchiere> wasn't the worst of its problems*
Jun 29 17:29:36 <torchiere> wait
Jun 29 17:29:38 <cwayne> summatusmentis: i can only see out of one eye at a time === no 3d for this guy
Jun 29 17:29:42 <PatrickC> I used a evo 3d, and its amazing
Jun 29 17:29:44 <torchiere> ok can I just like
Jun 29 17:29:44 <torchiere> do this sentence again
Jun 29 17:29:44 <torchiere> screw it
Jun 29 17:29:46 <summatusmentis> oh, yeah, that'll do it
Jun 29 17:29:56 <PatrickC> cwayne: what happened? lol
Jun 29 17:30:07 <cwayne> PatrickC: nothin, born that way
Jun 29 17:30:10 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 29 17:30:14 <cwayne> i can see out of both eyes, just not at the same time
Jun 29 17:30:18 <cwayne> s'called strabismus
Jun 29 17:30:23 <PatrickC> odd..
Jun 29 17:30:27 <PatrickC> never heard of that
Jun 29 17:30:38 <PatrickC> and my moms been a nurse for 22+ years.. lol
Jun 29 17:30:56 <summatusmentis> nurses don't generally deal with relativly uncommon eye diseases
Jun 29 17:31:08 <torchiere> unless theyre EYE NURSES
Jun 29 17:31:09 <dawm_> ff crashed.. odd
Jun 29 17:31:11 <torchiere> crap
Jun 29 17:31:11 <summatusmentis> hell, even most doctors don't generally
Jun 29 17:31:12 <PatrickC> she's a nurse for the Newborn ICU
Jun 29 17:31:14 <torchiere> almost time for class :(
Jun 29 17:31:26 <summatusmentis> torchiere: class?
Jun 29 17:31:32 <summatusmentis> it's summer bro
Jun 29 17:31:34 <torchiere> crap forgot to recharge pre
Jun 29 17:31:35 <PatrickC> she deals with the newborn Intensive Care kids
Jun 29 17:31:38 <torchiere> summer classes!
Jun 29 17:31:51 <summatusmentis> did you fail your normal classes?
Jun 29 17:31:57 <torchiere> yeah.
Jun 29 17:32:06 <torchiere> but I'd be doing summer either way
Jun 29 17:32:12 <summatusmentis> :-/
Jun 29 17:34:11 <NuttyBunny> snes9x for Pixi, runs, obviously, as crap :(
Jun 29 17:35:28 <torchiere> time to get a pre :D
Jun 29 17:36:14 <torchiere> or just laugh about the fact that i've gone through 3 and enjoy your nicely-built monolithic candybar with ultra-clicky portrait qwerty
Jun 29 17:36:16 <torchiere> either way you win
Jun 29 17:37:32 <torchiere> I'll get yuo next time.
Jun 29 17:38:16 * summatusmentis ponders frankenpre2
Jun 29 17:42:28 <cwayne> summatusmentis: i got one
Jun 29 17:42:30 <cwayne> its glorious
Jun 29 17:43:14 <summatusmentis> I might wait and see if anything new comes to sprint
Jun 29 17:43:20 <summatusmentis> but otherwise, that's what i'm gonna do
Jun 29 17:43:26 <summatusmentis> I think
Jun 29 17:43:46 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 29 17:43:55 <PatrickC> summatumentis: same here
Jun 29 17:46:18 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: did you know most irc clients have nick tab-completion?
Jun 29 17:46:26 <PatrickC> huh??
Jun 29 17:46:29 <PatrickC> how? wirc?
Jun 29 17:46:35 <summatusmentis> oh, on wirc I don't know
Jun 29 17:46:41 <oil> gesture + orange
Jun 29 17:46:59 <PatrickC> oil: amazing!
Jun 29 17:47:18 <PatrickC> is that in the documentation?
Jun 29 17:47:21 <oil> somewhere
Jun 29 17:47:28 <PatrickC> I should read more haha
Jun 29 17:47:35 <summatusmentis> I don't use wirc that frequently
Jun 29 17:47:47 <PatrickC> I use wirc all the time
Jun 29 17:47:56 <PatrickC> in fact, its all I use..
Jun 29 17:48:00 <oil> and on tp just tab works :)
Jun 29 17:48:08 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 29 17:48:14 <summatusmentis> I just usually have a computer with me, and prefer IRC from there
Jun 29 17:48:29 <PatrickC> I usually don't have a computer with me lol
Jun 29 17:48:34 <PatrickC> I need a new laptop..
Jun 29 17:49:12 * summatusmentis is hoping to switch from laptop to touchpad soon
Jun 29 17:49:19 <uncola> wirc really impresses me, coming from a never owned a webos product viewpoint
Jun 29 17:49:34 * PatrickC is hoping to switch from 11 yr old laptop to new mb soon
Jun 29 17:50:09 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: same here.. well, not switch from.. unless you can do sdk coding/compiling/uploading from it :D
Jun 29 17:50:36 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: no reason you can't remotely login elsewhere and do it
Jun 29 17:51:00 <PatrickC> really.. hrmm.. I'll have to try that :)
Jun 29 17:51:06 <PatrickC> but first.. get a new laptop
Jun 29 17:51:16 <PatrickC> I'll get a touchpad first, laptop for Christmas
Jun 29 17:51:18 <summatusmentis> I mean, ssh is ssh
Jun 29 17:51:31 <halfhalo> unless its sssh
Jun 29 17:51:34 <PatrickC> would SSH give me the full screen?
Jun 29 17:51:51 <PatrickC> like remote desktop?
Jun 29 17:52:02 <summatusmentis> oh, no, you'd need remote desktop for that
Jun 29 17:52:08 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 17:52:09 <summatusmentis> but there's ssh X forwarding
Jun 29 17:52:17 <PatrickC> ssh is cmd line only, isn't it?
Jun 29 17:52:48 <summatusmentis> yes, but using X forwarding, you can use X windows accross an ssh connection, provided you launch them from cli
Jun 29 17:53:07 <summatusmentis> now, you need an x server on the client
Jun 29 17:53:35 <PatrickC> so.. ubuntu?
Jun 29 17:53:41 <PatrickC> with X installed?
Jun 29 17:53:50 <PatrickC> or is X available for windows?
Jun 29 17:53:53 * halfhalo uses Z
Jun 29 17:54:04 <cwayne> halfhalo: hah
Jun 29 17:54:29 <dtzWill> hi all ^.^
Jun 29 17:54:38 <summatusmentis> I think you can get X through cygwin
Jun 29 17:54:40 <summatusmentis> hi dtzWill
Jun 29 17:54:59 <summatusmentis> oh, wait, that's not what you're asking
Jun 29 17:55:16 <summatusmentis> if you want GUI stuff from windows remotely, you need remote desktop, or vnc
Jun 29 17:55:26 <dtzWill> mmm, what's all this about X? :)
Jun 29 17:55:27 <summatusmentis> or something like citrix, but that requires infrastructure
Jun 29 17:55:48 <summatusmentis> we were talking abou ssh X forwarding
Jun 29 17:56:46 <dtzWill> x forwarding is good stuff
Jun 29 17:57:02 <dtzWill> although doesn't work especially well over non-awesome links, and even then
Jun 29 17:57:22 <dtzWill> wrapping it up in, say, nx, generally has been rather useful for me
Jun 29 17:57:33 <dtzWill> although last time i checked nx was a pita in many ways
Jun 29 17:57:37 <summatusmentis> I've been thinking about something like nx
Jun 29 17:57:57 <summatusmentis> came accross http://www.x2go.org/index.php?id=1&L=5 and https://code.google.com/p/partiwm/
Jun 29 17:58:23 <summatusmentis> specifically, xpra in the second link
Jun 29 17:59:17 <dtzWill> never tried x2go
Jun 29 17:59:31 <dtzWill> xpra was good in principle but as of... 2 yeras ago? it was buggy such that i couldn't reliably use it.
Jun 29 17:59:34 <dtzWill> but great idea for sure.
Jun 29 17:59:41 <dtzWill> screen for x apps :D
Jun 29 18:01:07 <summatusmentis> I've been sorta looking into these things, because I'd like to use a TouchPad as my primary mobile computer
Jun 29 18:02:10 <dtzWill> oh, cool
Jun 29 18:02:55 <summatusmentis> but there are things I need it can't do natively, potentially
Jun 29 18:03:01 <summatusmentis> well, no, not potentially
Jun 29 18:03:11 <summatusmentis> there'll never be a virtualbox for the TouchPad
Jun 29 18:03:54 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: you mean running x86 os/apps? yeah i wouldn't count on it.
Jun 29 18:04:15 <dtzWill> it works just fine, but it's just so slow (and with no way to make it work efficiently) that it's unusable
Jun 29 18:04:49 <dtzWill> benchmarked various virtualization technologies on my pre a year ago or so and kernel boot times were ~30min or so iirc
Jun 29 18:04:58 <dtzWill> and this is super tiny minimal kernel
Jun 29 18:05:15 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: well, a lot of what I do requires testing on various OSs and things
Jun 29 18:05:27 <dtzWill> hmm 30 min might've been booting a debian image--think the super tiny thing was around 2 minutes, but still
Jun 29 18:05:33 <summatusmentis> so, a remote login->virtualized things would work
Jun 29 18:05:37 <dtzWill> was entirely unusable, and that's just to get a dman console
Jun 29 18:05:45 <dtzWill> and yeah remote is definitely what you want :)
Jun 29 18:07:47 <summatusmentis> I'd like to see virtualization come to mobile platforms though
Jun 29 18:13:22 <Popple3> Is it bad that I'm excited that my App Catalog isn't working?
Jun 29 18:13:23 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 18:37:05 <LoneStar99> anyone familiar with canvas here? have a simple drawing app, but the onmousedown does not seem to do anything --> http://pastebin.com/4P9L3W1h
Jun 29 18:45:29 <Popple3> Oh balls, my TouchPad launch app has just broken with a change to the Posterous API :(
Jun 29 18:46:47 <dohtem> ouch
Jun 29 18:47:23 <Popple3> thankfully it doesn't seem to be much change, and I'm working on [redacted] to submit by 10am tomorrow so it should be live in time anyway
Jun 29 18:48:22 <Popple3> makes things a little easier in fact
Jun 29 18:48:32 <Loudergood> wow..way to give you notice though
Jun 29 18:49:02 <Popple3> Loudergood: Well, they weren't to know I was working on an app
Jun 29 18:49:52 <Loudergood> still..if they offer an api shouldn't they at least have an announce list? hopefully?
Jun 29 18:52:54 <Popple3> and my api token isn't working :/
Jun 29 18:56:46 <kgutteridge> Hi can anyone tell me of enyo based devices will support the html5 fileread apis
Jun 29 18:58:26 <singmajesty> To my knowledge, it currently is possible to read files using C/C++, but not from an SDK application
Jun 29 18:58:54 <singmajesty> However, you can mix and match the two as a hybrid application, so if no one has done it already, it should be possible to create and use a simple C file service
Jun 29 18:59:05 <singmajesty> Ping it to browse directories, read and write files, etc.
Jun 29 18:59:24 <summatusmentis> I think that's what FileMgr is, although, I'm not sure it's app store ready
Jun 29 18:59:39 <halfhalo> node can do file stuff without being hybrid
Jun 29 18:59:47 <singmajesty> Ah, that's a good point as well
Jun 29 19:00:05 <singmajesty> I'd love to be able to whip up some template applications
Jun 29 19:00:13 <singmajesty> Not a full-blown example with stuff you don't need --
Jun 29 19:00:23 <singmajesty> A lightweight template with just the functionality you are looking for
Jun 29 19:00:24 <summatusmentis> I should figure node out at some point
Jun 29 19:00:39 <singmajesty> Not a snippet, though, that wouldn't work by itself. A template that you can compile and run
Jun 29 19:00:58 <singmajesty> Yeah, we did some fun stuff with Node at the hackathon
Jun 29 19:01:21 <singmajesty> You can manage C processes with node very easily, so we wrote a C application that followed instructions for rendering
Jun 29 19:01:35 <singmajesty> So, in a sense, we got our own "canvas" API, but it performed a lot faster than browser rendering
Jun 29 19:02:09 <singmajesty> Of course, you could do that all from C, anyway, but depending on who you are and what you are into, its fun to be able to control all that from Javascript
Jun 29 19:02:23 <singmajesty> I'm probably going to stick with stuff that's fully compiled, like haXe
Jun 29 19:02:49 <singmajesty> For example, I thought this was cool -- update today
Jun 29 19:03:01 <singmajesty> You can add Lib.current.stage.addEventListener (Event.ACTIVATE, myListener)
Jun 29 19:03:08 <singmajesty> and you can do the same for Event.DEACTIVATE
Jun 29 19:03:20 <singmajesty> If you are using Actuate for animations, you can use Actuate.pauseAll() and Actuate.resumeAll()
Jun 29 19:03:29 <singmajesty> When your app is carded, your entire game flow freezes
Jun 29 19:03:38 <singmajesty> When it comes back, it resumes as if nothing happened
Jun 29 19:04:17 <singmajesty> Going to add JS<->PDK communication, compass, notifications and other stuff in there soon
Jun 29 19:04:33 <kgutteridge> cheers will take a look, these files are bundled with the app
Jun 29 19:05:05 <kgutteridge> just trying to think of a nice way of pre populating a html5 sqllite database
Jun 29 19:05:39 <Popple3> :'( I can't get the damn new API to work
Jun 29 19:06:34 <Popple3> oh wait, I'm an idiot.....
Jun 29 19:07:05 <Popple3> my ajaxRequest method already puts it on... -__-
Jun 29 19:07:23 <kgutteridge> unless theres any other easy way of prepopulating a database!
Jun 29 19:07:33 <kgutteridge> or shipping with a pre defined database
Jun 29 19:07:46 <kgutteridge> seems a bit silly to have to request to a network server if the apps never going to need it again!
Jun 29 19:10:12 <codeslaw> hey everyone, here's a free app i built at my job for mobile design proofing
Jun 29 19:10:17 <codeslaw> http://www.springbox.com/mobilizer/
Jun 29 19:10:21 <Popple3> kgutteridge: I bundle JSON files with the data I need, and populate the db on first run
Jun 29 19:10:27 <codeslaw> it's an adobe air app
Jun 29 19:10:34 <codeslaw> win/osx
Jun 29 19:10:48 <codeslaw> feature suggestions welcome
Jun 29 19:11:24 <kgutteridge> Popple3: think we might very well do that next rather than working from sql files
Jun 29 19:11:29 <kgutteridge> probably easier
Jun 29 19:11:53 <matbee> badoop
Jun 29 19:12:35 <Popple3> kgutteridge: Word of warning: Insert as much as you in one statement
Jun 29 19:12:45 <Popple3> *as you can
Jun 29 19:13:31 <kgutteridge> Popple3: corrupt database I take it, if you are not careful?
Jun 29 19:13:42 <Popple3> kgutteridge: Nope, just takes aaaaagggggeeeeessss
Jun 29 19:13:42 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 19:13:46 <kgutteridge> lol
Jun 29 19:14:00 <Popple3> At one point I had a first run time of about 5-6 mins
Jun 29 19:14:07 <Popple3> got it down to 20-30 secs
Jun 29 19:14:30 <kgutteridge> we can probably dummy as its event data for a tour guide, so can leave the inserts until you visit a city
Jun 29 19:14:37 <kgutteridge> so thank you very much for the tip!
Jun 29 19:14:41 <leiru> hi
Jun 29 19:14:43 <Popple3> no worries, glad to help :)
Jun 29 19:14:49 * Popple3 waves at leiru
Jun 29 19:15:16 <leiru> friday is touchpad day :)
Jun 29 19:15:22 <Popple3> not for me :(
Jun 29 19:15:50 <leiru> why?
Jun 29 19:16:17 <Popple3> 1) Nowhere seems to be actually selling it in Ireland despite it being one of the launch countries, and 2) Waiting for dev pricing
Jun 29 19:17:03 <leiru> i still hope i get one from that dev-blog entry "show us your app and get a free tocuhpad"
Jun 29 19:17:20 <Popple3> yeah, I submitted to that, never heard back
Jun 29 19:19:59 <rwatkins> so .. should I call around to confirm a store will have TP's Friday, or just assume its a BestBuy or whatever in NYC, they must have em ready?
Jun 29 19:20:19 <leiru> yesterday there were 2 strange mails send to some mojo devs (including me)
Jun 29 19:21:19 <Popple3> leiru: ...?
Jun 29 19:24:15 <leiru> https://twitter.com/#!/AclassApps/status/85816263972102144
Jun 29 19:25:03 <Popple3> leiru: What about, or is it top sekrit? :P
Jun 29 19:26:01 <singmajesty> http://twitter.com/#!/singmajesty/status/86151304950448128
Jun 29 19:26:08 <singmajesty> http://twitter.com/#!/singmajesty/status/86152012898643968
Jun 29 19:26:45 <summatusmentis> gah, there needs to be a "webos twitter" list
Jun 29 19:26:50 <summatusmentis> so I can keep up with all of you
Jun 29 19:26:56 <Popple3> singmajesty: sweeeeeeeet
Jun 29 19:27:08 <sugardave> singmajesty: there are lots of them, I think
Jun 29 19:27:15 <Popple3> summatusmentis: I have one made of just random webOS devs and enthusiasts
Jun 29 19:27:20 <sugardave> I"m on 15 different "webos developer" lists :D
Jun 29 19:27:32 <sugardave> er summatusmentis
Jun 29 19:27:34 <dtzWill> well while we're posting twitter goodness: https://twitter.com/#!/wdtz/status/86136317095849984 https://twitter.com/#!/halfhalo/status/86146674409480193 https://twitter.com/#!/halfhalo/status/86146971005489152
Jun 29 19:28:04 <Popple3> "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ), undefined:1" how very helpful... -__--
Jun 29 19:28:33 <sugardave> Popple3: I think that means you have an extra ), maybe not enough )s
Jun 29 19:28:37 <sugardave> you're welcome
Jun 29 19:28:42 <Popple3> sugardave: Yes, but where? :P
Jun 29 19:28:46 <Popple3> undefined:1
Jun 29 19:28:47 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 19:29:04 <summatusmentis> may not always mean that
Jun 29 19:29:11 <Popple3> what was that lenient version of jslint again?
Jun 29 19:29:12 <summatusmentis> may mean it needs some other syntax before the )
Jun 29 19:29:52 <summatusmentis> Popple3: undefined:1 probably means somewhere outside of the file?
Jun 29 19:31:36 <Popple3> I doubt it... I guess it could be the incoming JSON, but I doubt it...
Jun 29 19:33:07 <summatusmentis> I guess I meant whatever is reporting the SyntaxError isn't able to trace where the error is, which may mean it has something to do with how the files are interacting
Jun 29 19:35:04 <Popple3> generally syntax errors cause scenes not to be pushed in Mojo, right?
Jun 29 19:35:14 <Popple3> so it must be my posterous library file
Jun 29 19:35:17 <Popple3> *checks that*
Jun 29 19:35:28 <jaf0> palm-log
Jun 29 19:35:41 <jaf0> popple3: palm-log
Jun 29 19:35:47 <Popple3> jaf0: Yes, I'm looking at the log :P
Jun 29 19:35:53 <Popple3> see above
Jun 29 19:35:59 <jaf0> it gives a line #, no?
Jun 29 19:36:04 <Popple3> undefined:1
Jun 29 19:36:50 <jaf0> forgot a ; or a ,
Jun 29 19:36:55 <jaf0> or a closing "
Jun 29 19:37:01 <jaf0> ?
Jun 29 19:37:39 <Popple3> can't see anything :/
Jun 29 19:37:52 <sugardave> add moar debug
Jun 29 19:38:03 <jaf0> u using a good editor?
Jun 29 19:38:10 <jaf0> that context highlights?
Jun 29 19:39:29 <phoque> yay, 30 downloads already :-D
Jun 29 19:39:51 <rwatkins> for a 3.0 app?
Jun 29 19:39:54 <phoque> yup
Jun 29 19:39:59 <rwatkins> heh. 17 here
Jun 29 19:43:21 <hotdp_> rating?
Jun 29 19:43:28 <leiru> singmajesty: why do you like haXe so much?
Jun 29 19:43:35 <phoque> hotdp_, none yet
Jun 29 19:45:09 <rwatkins> given they're realistically all palm people downloading, not much of a suprise
Jun 29 19:46:20 <hotdp_> hehe
Jun 29 19:47:21 <rwatkins> I was entertained to see though that I was offered to "update" my TP only app on my Pre2
Jun 29 19:47:37 <rwatkins> I'd side loaded it, now its in the catalog.
Jun 29 20:07:24 <singmajesty> Yo. Sorry, I was out
Jun 29 20:08:13 <singmajesty> leiru: I was a Flash developer for 12+ years
Jun 29 20:08:36 <singmajesty> leiru: I ported haXe to webOS when I realized that waiting for Flash wasn't going to work out
Jun 29 20:09:08 <singmajesty> leiru: haXe is practically identical to Flash (compiles to Flash) but it compiles to C++ as well -- performs 2 to 3 times faster than Flash or AIR on mobile platforms
Jun 29 20:09:42 <singmajesty> leiru: Writing haXe is fast, and is fun/easy thanks to excellent code completion and compile time error checking, provided through IDEs like FlashDevelop
Jun 29 20:10:46 <singmajesty> leiru: You can render as fast (OpenGL ES) as most C++ apps, but you can build awesome apps in hours instead of days, weeks or months. It is much faster (and in my opinion, easier) than using Javascript with Canvas
Jun 29 20:16:38 <Popple3> jaf0: Sorry, went afk there, phone rang. Yeah, all syntax highlighted, nothing looks wrong at all, JSLint reports no errors :/
Jun 29 20:35:50 <Popple3> WAHEY! Got it! :D
Jun 29 20:36:16 <Popple3> a missing parameter... I forgot I added paging support to the back end library
Jun 29 20:38:08 <Loudergood> nice
Jun 29 20:38:26 * Popple3 is quite relieved
Jun 29 20:49:59 * PatrickC wants to know what the dev pricing is!!!!
Jun 29 20:50:10 <PatrickC> chuqui: :)
Jun 29 20:50:24 <Popple3> PatrickC: Friday dammit! Patience :P
Jun 29 20:50:31 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 29 20:50:35 <PatrickC> I have no patience
Jun 29 20:50:40 <Popple3> yeah, me either :P
Jun 29 20:50:47 <sugardave> no patience and no touchpad
Jun 29 20:50:47 <PatrickC> and didn't Parris say we would hear *before* launch?
Jun 29 20:50:54 <summatusmentis> it would be nice to know if we should start looking for a way to get it friday, or if the dev pricing makes it reasonable to wait
Jun 29 20:50:56 <sugardave> who is Parris?
Jun 29 20:51:00 <PatrickC> Kerris*
Jun 29 20:51:20 <summatusmentis> I, for instance, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest retailer
Jun 29 20:51:33 * PatrickC has to drive 10 min
Jun 29 20:51:47 <Popple3> summatusmentis: I'd image it'll be worth the wait, but who knows
Jun 29 20:51:51 <PatrickC> halfhalo-tp: I kill you :P
Jun 29 20:51:53 <sugardave> correction, PatrickC has to be driven 10 minutes
Jun 29 20:52:00 <Popple3> Nobody around here is stocking it anyway, so meh, have to wait anyway
Jun 29 20:52:10 <PatrickC> sugardave: I drive lol
Jun 29 20:52:36 <summatusmentis> Popple3: I don't have any apps in the catalog, so unless the pricing is "X amount off, + Y amount more for # of apps", it may not be
Jun 29 20:52:44 <Popple3> ah, ok
Jun 29 20:53:03 * PatrickC has 6 apps in the catalog
Jun 29 20:53:19 * Popple3 has 2
Jun 29 20:53:30 * PatrickC has 6 junky apps
Jun 29 20:53:40 <PatrickC> Popple3: quality apps?
Jun 29 20:54:17 <summatusmentis> Popple3: I'd been working on one in mojo, then they enyo went ot EA, so I sorta kinda started working on that, then school got in the way
Jun 29 20:54:21 <summatusmentis> and now we're here :)
Jun 29 20:54:46 <summatusmentis> and it made more sense to switch to enyo, given that I hadn't released anything in mojo
Jun 29 20:55:10 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 29 20:55:14 <Popple3> PatrickC: You tell me :P https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=76607#p76607
Jun 29 20:55:35 <Popple3> summatusmentis: I was like "Screw it, no matter what they say, I'm learning Mojo too"
Jun 29 20:55:38 <Popple3> and I did :P
Jun 29 20:55:53 <summatusmentis> heh, well, the app I'm writing makes more sense on the TP anyway
Jun 29 20:56:14 <Popple3> mine has different uses for each form factor
Jun 29 20:56:20 <PatrickC> Popple3: umm.. amazing? lol
Jun 29 20:56:20 <Popple3> which is why it shall be a fat app
Jun 29 20:56:47 <Popple3> PatrickC: I wouldn't quite go that far :P
Jun 29 20:56:56 <hotdp_> OMg
Jun 29 20:56:59 <PatrickC> it looks wayy better then mine hehehe
Jun 29 20:57:09 <PatrickC> hotdp_: what?
Jun 29 20:57:09 <hotdp_> Sencha Touch < Enyo
Jun 29 20:57:10 <Popple3> hotdp_: O.o
Jun 29 20:57:23 * oil has 3 apps in the catalog, and too many apps in homebrew to count
Jun 29 20:57:28 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 20:57:38 <Popple3> oil: You're special :P
Jun 29 20:57:39 <PatrickC> wirc is under who? you oil?
Jun 29 20:57:46 <oil> yeah
Jun 29 20:57:56 <PatrickC> rwhitby: how many apps do you have in the catalog?
Jun 29 20:58:02 <oil> 1?
Jun 29 20:58:04 <oil> phd
Jun 29 20:58:06 <PatrickC> oil: profits go to wosi?
Jun 29 20:58:07 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 29 20:58:16 <oil> eh, its a split thing
Jun 29 20:58:21 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 29 20:58:29 <oil> part of it goes to wi for our catalog apps
Jun 29 20:58:34 <oil> the rest goes to palm/dev
Jun 29 20:59:08 <PatrickC> does anyone know how much commission apple takes?
Jun 29 20:59:16 <summatusmentis> 30%?
Jun 29 20:59:18 <summatusmentis> I think?
Jun 29 20:59:22 <hotdp_> and your lif
Jun 29 20:59:22 <hotdp_> e
Jun 29 20:59:27 <oil> heh
Jun 29 20:59:36 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 20:59:45 <PatrickC> I guess 30% is universal?
Jun 29 21:00:05 <summatusmentis> does google take a cut?
Jun 29 21:00:17 <Popple3> I think so
Jun 29 21:00:24 <Popple3> but I'm not sure
Jun 29 21:01:02 <dohtem> 30%
Jun 29 21:04:10 <torchie> is it feasible to do any other split
Jun 29 21:04:24 <torchie> like that's even the amount in from dusk till dawn
Jun 29 21:04:43 <rwatkins> depends on the volume
Jun 29 21:04:54 <summatusmentis> well, I wonder how much of that goes to covering overhead
Jun 29 21:04:57 <rwatkins> at this point I'm sure its all a massive loss for HP.
Jun 29 21:05:20 <rwatkins> but for apple, likely not so much.
Jun 29 21:05:27 <Popple3> hmmmm... quick solution to disappearing list when refreshing the model down the list anyone?
Jun 29 21:05:33 <torchie> so I guess it's hard to maintain breakeven or profit with this split when you're small?
Jun 29 21:05:59 <singmajesty> I heard that much of the 30% goes to carriers
Jun 29 21:06:13 <rwatkins> no idea what the figures are on app catalog sales, but doubt the even cover the development costs - salary etc. rather than hardware.
Jun 29 21:06:17 <singmajesty> Like, 28% to taxes and wireless carriers
Jun 29 21:06:29 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: interesting, why do the carriers get a claim on the cut?
Jun 29 21:06:42 <PatrickC> whoa, google+ is real?
Jun 29 21:06:52 <singmajesty> summatusmentis: Because they can. Don't carriers always do whatever they can get away with charging?
Jun 29 21:06:53 <summatusmentis> ... seriously?
Jun 29 21:07:00 <rwatkins> because with the carrers they *always* get a cut.
Jun 29 21:07:04 <oil> carriers :/
Jun 29 21:07:09 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: I mean, yes, but... they're not doing *anything*
Jun 29 21:07:18 <rwatkins> try and tell them that.
Jun 29 21:07:21 * oil just wants a dumb pipe
Jun 29 21:07:25 <summatusmentis> oil: me too
Jun 29 21:07:29 <singmajesty> It's like a mini-government
Jun 29 21:07:35 <singmajesty> taxes
Jun 29 21:07:48 <oil> if there was an ad for "dumb pipe telco" i would switch
Jun 29 21:07:59 <summatusmentis> except taxes get used for maintenance of stuff, arguably that cost comes out of your data plan
Jun 29 21:08:00 <rwatkins> worked at a company that sold a $10/mo subscription product w/ carrier billing. Carries got *HALF*.
Jun 29 21:08:44 <summatusmentis> oil: I wonder how viable of a business model that'd be
Jun 29 21:08:48 <singmajesty> It would be sweet if someone implemented an in-app purchase API that allowed developers to hook it to their PayPal account
Jun 29 21:09:00 <oil> they should figure it out
Jun 29 21:09:04 <singmajesty> So it's still plug-and-play, but bypasses carriers
Jun 29 21:09:10 <oil> and stop trying to bleed us dry
Jun 29 21:09:23 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: yeah, how well do you think that'd go over?
Jun 29 21:09:27 <oil> i can't believe 10 cents a text message is still how it goes
Jun 29 21:09:42 <oil> its crazy they've gotten away with it for this long
Jun 29 21:09:51 <singmajesty> summatusmentis: What do you mean? I think an open, low-overhead, open source in-app purchase API would be awesome
Jun 29 21:10:11 <rwatkins> hard to be a dumb pipe with price the wireless spectrum licenses go for.
Jun 29 21:10:21 <rwatkins> verizon et, al just price you outta the market.
Jun 29 21:10:39 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: I don't disagree, but I bet you anything once it hits critical mass (or even starts being used), the carriers come down hard on the app store providers
Jun 29 21:11:10 <summatusmentis> the whole industry just needs a major overhaul
Jun 29 21:11:17 <summatusmentis> and it's not gonna happen :(
Jun 29 21:11:28 <singmajesty> summatusmentis: Maybe so, but if its on github their hands will be more tied than if it is connected directly to webOS
Jun 29 21:11:40 <summatusmentis> that's true
Jun 29 21:11:41 <PatrickC> singmajesty: when do I get my dev discount? :)
Jun 29 21:11:43 <singmajesty> Like the government, right?
Jun 29 21:11:59 <singmajesty> I once heard a thing where there was a relay, and everyone had someone on their back
Jun 29 21:12:00 <rwatkins> google wants to buy spectrum and they just want more internet usage from everyone for more ads, so maybe they're actually our hope.
Jun 29 21:12:14 <singmajesty> Some little people with big people on their back, some big people with little people on their back, some evenly matched, etc.
Jun 29 21:12:19 <singmajesty> People complained, and said it was unfair
Jun 29 21:12:36 <singmajesty> The organizers said, "Regardless of your size, you want the person on your back to be as light as possible
Jun 29 21:12:43 <singmajesty> Just like government"
Jun 29 21:13:09 <summatusmentis> rwatkins: you saw the stuff about the 700mhz spectrum though... they forced the openness issue, to a point, and then got priced out
Jun 29 21:13:13 <singmajesty> Whether you have $1 or $1,000,000,000, you benefit from a light government, or in this case, a light wireless carrier
Jun 29 21:13:20 <PatrickC> You are not signed up for Google+ yet.
Jun 29 21:13:40 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: request an invite, it's in limited beta
Jun 29 21:13:41 <PatrickC> :/
Jun 29 21:13:50 <rwatkins> ya, but google has pretty deep pockets.  they may be willing to take a big loss on this to open it up .. we'll see
Jun 29 21:13:54 <PatrickC> ill have to do it from a desktop
Jun 29 21:14:00 <rwatkins> they went up against the carriers with the Nexus One too .. and lost.
Jun 29 21:14:05 <summatusmentis> right
Jun 29 21:14:11 <summatusmentis> they're not willing to go far enough
Jun 29 21:14:13 <summatusmentis> it seems
Jun 29 21:14:15 <Popple3> so quick fix to reloading a list's model in mojo and having it disappearing? Frantically trying to get this done (not a good idea)
Jun 29 21:14:21 <singmajesty> What we gain in thrift we lose in privacy
Jun 29 21:14:35 <sugardave> Popple3: what?
Jun 29 21:15:00 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: I think it's unlikely if google bought specturm that they'd be sniffing packets...
Jun 29 21:15:01 <singmajesty> Not sure if I would prefer a wireless carrier that's angling to make a larger profit, or a company that's angling to take away your privacy
Jun 29 21:15:29 <rwatkins> gonna pay, one way or another.
Jun 29 21:15:30 <summatusmentis> they're also not "taking away" your privacy
Jun 29 21:15:31 <Popple3> sugardave: when down a list, and you refresh the model, the list disappears (it's only rendering the first few). Best way to fix it just give the max render value thing a big number?
Jun 29 21:15:35 <summatusmentis> you just give it away
Jun 29 21:15:46 <singmajesty> summatusmentis: No way to know. By offering Google Analytics for free, and Google Voice for free, and Google GMail for free, and Google Location Services, and...
Jun 29 21:15:53 <sugardave> Popple3: ah, yeah I always set the renderLimit abnormally high
Jun 29 21:16:05 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: no way to know what?
Jun 29 21:16:07 <Popple3> sugardave: If you do it, it must be ok :P
Jun 29 21:16:09 <singmajesty> They have all kinds of data passing through their fingers. It's free to you because they have your data to aggregate, sell, and improve their marketing
Jun 29 21:16:18 <summatusmentis> oh, clearly
Jun 29 21:16:30 <sugardave> Popple3: that assumption might get you killed one day :s
Jun 29 21:16:42 <summatusmentis> that's what I mean, but choose to use their service, and in doing so give away your privacy
Jun 29 21:16:47 <singmajesty> The more they can keep you logged in to their services and tracked, the more they can connect your activity across all areas, all sites, all services, rather than having isolated information
Jun 29 21:16:50 <Popple3> oh, sugardave's jumping off a cliff, that must mean it's ok :D
Jun 29 21:16:52 <summatusmentis> but it's also, just that, aggregated
Jun 29 21:16:54 <sugardave> haha
Jun 29 21:17:11 <Popple3> blah, get out of the way commandMenu!
Jun 29 21:17:16 <rwatkins> way too many posts per day now in the forum, cannot keep up.
Jun 29 21:17:19 <singmajesty> At some point, I think all of this is going to become very dangerous, I just don't know how yet, but it gives me a bad feeling
Jun 29 21:18:01 <summatusmentis> I would argue it already has the potential to be
Jun 29 21:18:08 <singmajesty> The Spanish-American war, I hear, was started by Randolph Hearst, who had a majority of newspapers
Jun 29 21:18:28 <singmajesty> An accidental explosion on one of our ships made us go and destroy the entire Spanish Armada out of rage
Jun 29 21:18:49 <Tibfib> CONSPIRACY
Jun 29 21:18:50 <singmajesty> Having too much influence or power, whether press or privacy, can have dangerous results
Jun 29 21:19:18 <summatusmentis> there's already evidence of google modifying what you see, search-wise, because it's "annoying" or in opposition to what google thinks you're looking for
Jun 29 21:20:35 <rwatkins> I'm happy to see google filter out the stackoverflow clone sites.
Jun 29 21:21:22 <singmajesty> I heard that Google took credit for the student riots in Egypt
Jun 29 21:21:30 <Codhisattva> heh
Jun 29 21:21:44 <singmajesty> ...which led to an overthrow of the government, and it sounds like worse guys are coming into their place
Jun 29 21:21:49 <Codhisattva> well a Google manager was also involved (and it wasn't just students)
Jun 29 21:22:00 <Codhisattva> Google the organization wasn't involved. just the manager.
Jun 29 21:22:15 <singmajesty> Yeah, I didn't mention Egypt to sound super conspiratorial
Jun 29 21:22:30 <singmajesty> But, you know, we watch "big brother" "eagle eye" types of movies
Jun 29 21:22:34 <singmajesty> Matrix
Jun 29 21:22:42 <Codhisattva> I was going to ask who's in line for a TouchPad?
Jun 29 21:22:45 <singmajesty> Whether Google cares about this stuff, or just making money with marketing...
Jun 29 21:23:14 <singmajesty> What if someone else, a government, for example, uses Google or gets access to their data and uses it for something else?
Jun 29 21:23:16 <singmajesty> You never know
Jun 29 21:23:34 <Codhisattva> "Google" doesn't care
Jun 29 21:23:41 <Codhisattva> it's a business, not a human
Jun 29 21:24:32 <singmajesty> Like I said, maybe "Google" doesn't care, but maybe something else gets access to their data
Jun 29 21:24:37 <singmajesty> Or maybe they do start caring one day
Jun 29 21:24:48 <Tibfib> ARGGGG my auto-rejected koto updates are going to take a month to get cleared through
Jun 29 21:25:03 <singmajesty> Why did it get rejected?
Jun 29 21:25:09 <Tibfib> for stupid reasons
Jun 29 21:25:15 <singmajesty> line endings?
Jun 29 21:25:23 <Tibfib> using the putPermissions service call
Jun 29 21:25:28 <Tibfib> which you are required to use for Just Type
Jun 29 21:25:43 <singmajesty> I thought you just put some stuff in your appinfo.json to use Just Type
Jun 29 21:25:52 <summatusmentis> just because Google is a business doesn't mean it deson't have vested interest in some things
Jun 29 21:25:58 <Tibfib> for db8 searches you have to give the launcher permission to access your db
Jun 29 21:26:04 <singmajesty> Ah
Jun 29 21:26:14 <summatusmentis> Codhisattva: I'm probably waiting to see what dev pricing is, and then deciding
Jun 29 21:26:26 <singmajesty> Yeah, lots of evil badguys in future sci-fi movies are corporations :)
Jun 29 21:26:26 <Sgnos> thank you webos internals for wIRC. my free time is now reduced to zero. :)
Jun 29 21:26:32 <Codhisattva> summatusmentis: ditto :)
Jun 29 21:27:01 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: arguably, lots of evil badguys in current-day are corporations
Jun 29 21:27:06 <Popple3> anyway to make a text field be exactly 3 lines high minimum without guessing how big that is in pixels and using CSS?
Jun 29 21:28:06 <codeslaw> anyone now what's up with this: ERROR: "com.palm.telluriumservice" permissions does not allow inbound connections from "com.codeslaw.paintrbeta"
Jun 29 21:28:15 <codeslaw> from the emu log
Jun 29 21:28:28 <NuttyBunny> codeslaw: I get that all the time, no idea
Jun 29 21:28:38 <codeslaw> do your services then work though?
Jun 29 21:28:51 <NuttyBunny> I don't have any services on my app ;)
Jun 29 21:28:58 <codeslaw> well then
Jun 29 21:29:55 <halfhalo> codeslaw: ignore it
Jun 29 21:30:06 <codeslaw> ok
Jun 29 21:30:13 <codeslaw> then there must be another reason why my service isn't being called
Jun 29 21:30:28 <singmajesty> It sounds like you are calling the same service from a different application?
Jun 29 21:30:33 <singmajesty> So it is a permissions issue?
Jun 29 21:30:47 <singmajesty> oh, com.palm
Jun 29 21:31:14 <codeslaw> i'm trying to call my own custom service, which is included in the package
Jun 29 21:31:25 <Tibfib> MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC
Jun 29 21:31:30 <Tibfib> complain, and the app got through
Jun 29 21:31:40 <singmajesty> Can you rename the service?
Jun 29 21:31:45 <Tibfib> did someone help here?
Jun 29 21:31:50 <singmajesty> Maybe you automatically are not allowed to access com.palm services
Jun 29 21:32:33 <Tibfib> Thank you to anyone who helped!
Jun 29 21:33:19 <Popple3> Tibfib: I called in a few favours, you're welcome. You owe me one :P
Jun 29 21:33:24 * Popple3 looks around suspiciously
Jun 29 21:33:34 <Tibfib> haha
Jun 29 21:33:49 <Popple3> man, Mojo's so weird and confusing
Jun 29 21:33:50 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 21:33:59 <Tibfib> yeah it is
Jun 29 21:34:07 <Tibfib> after moving onto other stuff, going back sucsk
Jun 29 21:34:09 <summatusmentis> [redacted] is also weird and confusing
Jun 29 21:34:09 <Tibfib> sucks
Jun 29 21:34:12 <summatusmentis> less so, but yes
Jun 29 21:34:23 <Tibfib> 1. nda. 2. disagree
Jun 29 21:34:50 <oil> on the 1st Tibfib will teach you all about redacted
Jun 29 21:34:55 <halfhalo> lies
Jun 29 21:35:11 <Tibfib> I expect payment
Jun 29 21:35:11 <oil> cause sugardave will be mia
Jun 29 21:35:14 <Tibfib> in the form of buttons
Jun 29 21:35:30 <dohtem> this NDA business has to end soo
Jun 29 21:35:30 <oil> buttons?
Jun 29 21:35:33 <dohtem> soon*
Jun 29 21:35:34 <Tibfib> buttons
Jun 29 21:35:38 <Tibfib> .
Jun 29 21:35:50 <oil> http://www.antssoft.com/ultrabutton/image/sample.gif
Jun 29 21:35:51 <summatusmentis> dohtem: one hopes on friday
Jun 29 21:35:52 <Popple3> ugh, why?! Why does Mojo need me to basically specify widgets twice? It just doesn't make sense
Jun 29 21:35:55 * Popple3 breaks down
Jun 29 21:36:15 <Tibfib> oil: REAL BUTTONS
Jun 29 21:36:17 <summatusmentis> oil: those are some good buttons
Jun 29 21:36:18 <Tibfib> not that fake stuff
Jun 29 21:36:55 <oil> this kind of button? http://www.lazymoms.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/button4.gif
Jun 29 21:37:19 <dohtem> lazy moms?
Jun 29 21:37:37 <summatusmentis> he's got that site bookmarked
Jun 29 21:37:37 <oil> or like this one? http://rlv.zcache.com/st_patricks_day_irish_humerous_buttons_pins-p145844878446056057t5sj_400.jpg
Jun 29 21:37:40 <oil> wtf bold
Jun 29 21:37:50 <oil> google image search
Jun 29 21:37:56 <oil> images come from random sites
Jun 29 21:38:08 <dohtem> sure...
Jun 29 21:38:17 <Popple3> sure all us Irish poop leprechauns O.o
Jun 29 21:38:22 * halfhalo yawns
Jun 29 21:38:28 <oil> heh
Jun 29 21:38:36 <summatusmentis> "The Lazy Mom's Guide to Life"
Jun 29 21:39:18 <LoneStar99> "I am so Irish I piss Guinness.."
Jun 29 21:41:10 <oil> id go to the doctor and get that checked out...
Jun 29 21:41:34 <Tibfib> oil: SECOND BUTTON
Jun 29 21:41:44 <oil> lol
Jun 29 21:41:55 * oil finds one with goatse on it and orders it to tibfibs house
Jun 29 21:42:09 <singmajesty> *in an Irish accent* So three guys walk into a bar. One is English, one is German, one is Irish
Jun 29 21:42:35 * oil stops writing code and goes to get lunch
Jun 29 21:42:36 <singmajesty> Three flies land in their drinks. The englishman says, "Gross," and pushes the drink away. The german man shrugs his shoulders, and drinks
Jun 29 21:42:42 <Sgnos> wouldn't goatse be a button hole?
Jun 29 21:42:58 <singmajesty> but the irishman grabs the fly be the wing, and says, "Spit it out! Spit it out ya little bugger!"
Jun 29 21:43:10 <singmajesty> Jokes my old Irish roommate would tell me
Jun 29 21:43:15 <oil> lol
Jun 29 21:43:28 <LoneStar99> singmajesty:  lol good one
Jun 29 21:43:40 <singmajesty> He'd call me fun things like "spo-monger" and "you goat!"
Jun 29 21:43:48 <singmajesty> I still don't know what a spomonger is
Jun 29 21:43:54 <Popple3> An irish man, a Greek man and a German man walk into a bar. The German pays.
Jun 29 21:44:20 <oil> third guy ducks?
Jun 29 21:44:36 * oil brb
Jun 29 21:44:59 <singmajesty> I used to have a friend that would tell jokes that took one too many turns, so you'd sort of scratch your head, and wonder what the punch line was
Jun 29 21:45:04 <singmajesty> It was confusing, but kind of fun :)
Jun 29 21:45:16 <singmajesty> Like, "So a duck walks into a bar, gets a drink, and says put it on my tab"
Jun 29 21:45:18 <Popple3> singmajesty: A short story with a funny ending basically? :P
Jun 29 21:45:35 <singmajesty> Or, "What was the Pirates movie rated? PG-13!"
Jun 29 21:45:45 <singmajesty> We'd sit there, scratch our heads, "huh?"
Jun 29 21:45:47 <dawm_> hey i got a question.. if i buy a touchpad.. am i gonna be forced to make a seperate profile and rebuy all my apps because im stuck with 1.4.5?
Jun 29 21:45:59 <singmajesty> Then realize the punchline was supposed to be, "put it on my tab", or "RRRR!"
Jun 29 21:46:16 <singmajesty> But the joke was that it wasn't the punchline it wasn't supposed to be, which was sort of funny, but confusing
Jun 29 21:46:44 <Popple3> singmajesty: My flatmate constantly does that... It can get quite annoying :P
Jun 29 21:47:01 <singmajesty> Yeah, I think that it is important, when being witty, to take a turn on things, but not too far
Jun 29 21:47:15 <singmajesty> Just far enough that you don't lose people
Jun 29 21:47:48 <singmajesty> "Erwin, what is the plural of Ox?" "Oxen. There was a herd of oxen"
Jun 29 21:48:07 <singmajesty> "Brian, what is the plural of box?" "Boxen. There was a herd of boxen"
Jun 29 21:48:24 <singmajesty> "Erwin, what is the plural for goose?" "Geese. I saw a flock of geese"
Jun 29 21:48:29 <singmajesty> "Brian?" "What??"
Jun 29 21:48:34 <singmajesty> "What is the plural for moose?"
Jun 29 21:48:41 <singmajesty> "MOOSEN!"
Jun 29 21:48:50 <singmajesty> "There was a flock of moosen. Many much moosen!"
Jun 29 21:49:03 <dohtem> lmao Brian Reagan
Jun 29 21:49:23 <singmajesty> Yeah, Brian Regan is fun :)
Jun 29 21:49:39 <dohtem> I love the peanut butter and jelly in the same jar bit
Jun 29 21:50:04 <singmajesty> You can't be opening, who knows how many jars, dirtying who knows how many jars
Jun 29 21:50:07 <singmajesty> knives, rather
Jun 29 21:50:13 <Sgnos> a man walks into a bar...damn! still in jail.
Jun 29 21:50:34 <singmajesty> ...a guy walks into a bar... and becomes a lawyer?
Jun 29 21:51:15 <Popple3> Why did the orange stop at the top of the hill?
Jun 29 21:51:20 <Popple3> Ran out of juice!
Jun 29 21:51:23 <singmajesty> ...a guy walks into a bar, asks for a cup of water. The bartender pulls a gun instead, and the guy says thanks, you cured my hiccups, and walks out
Jun 29 21:51:27 <codeslaw> any NDA people able to help me with some node.js + NDA goodness in a private message? basic question
Jun 29 21:51:42 <singmajesty> Oh, Laffy Taffy are the best worst jokes
Jun 29 21:51:57 <singmajesty> "What do you get when you mix a grape with a lion?"
Jun 29 21:52:00 <singmajesty> ...
Jun 29 21:52:08 <singmajesty> I don't know, what?
Jun 29 21:52:13 <singmajesty> "A grape that nobody picks on"
Jun 29 21:52:17 <singmajesty> Huh?
Jun 29 21:52:22 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 21:52:23 <Sgnos> how do you know when you hit rock bottom?        your lawyer calls you morally bankrupt.
Jun 29 21:52:27 <codeslaw> =/
Jun 29 21:52:39 <Popple3> "Magic tractor goes down the road and turns into a field."
Jun 29 21:52:53 <singmajesty> "What did the thing that doesn't normally talk say to the other thing that also doesn't normally talk?"
Jun 29 21:52:59 <singmajesty> I don't know. Why are they talking?
Jun 29 21:53:16 <singmajesty> What did the rug say to the shoe?
Jun 29 21:53:18 <singmajesty> Don't tread on me
Jun 29 21:53:27 <singmajesty> I don't know. Come up with a real joke! ;)
Jun 29 21:54:15 <Popple3> dammit I'm supposed to be coding!
Jun 29 21:54:20 <Popple3> I have a deadline to meet dammit
Jun 29 21:54:21 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 21:57:01 <NuttyBunny> deadline: meet Popple3 , Popple3: meet Deadline
Jun 29 21:57:08 <NuttyBunny> there, know you've met
Jun 29 21:57:16 * Popple3 relaxes
Jun 29 21:57:19 <Popple3> thanks NuttyBunny
Jun 29 21:57:30 <NuttyBunny> ;)
Jun 29 21:57:55 <NuttyBunny> I've already missed mine, that's the reason I'm working on the messaging plugins right now :)
Jun 29 21:58:24 <Popple3> awesome (that you're working on the plugins, not that you missed the deadline)
Jun 29 21:59:20 * PatrickC cracks the whip
Jun 29 21:59:34 <PatrickC> work NuttyBunny
Jun 29 21:59:44 <PatrickC> fix my plugins that broke my phone! :P
Jun 29 21:59:48 <dawm_> screw hp's stupid contest
Jun 29 21:59:58 <dawm_> from spot #87 to spot #481
Jun 29 22:00:02 <PatrickC> hahahaha
Jun 29 22:00:05 <dawm_> still cannot answer questions for today
Jun 29 22:00:37 <Popple3> I may be going stupid, but how do I get the value of a ToggleButton? I remember doing something stupid with listening for a change and changing a variable, but that seems a bit too much?
Jun 29 22:00:58 <PatrickC> enyo or mojo?
Jun 29 22:01:04 <Popple3> mojo
Jun 29 22:01:08 <Popple3> wouldn't be asking about enyo :P
Jun 29 22:01:12 <PatrickC> idk lol
Jun 29 22:01:42 <PatrickC> this.[redacted].[redacted].bind.this
Jun 29 22:01:51 <PatrickC> ;)
Jun 29 22:01:53 * Popple3 slaps PatrickC
Jun 29 22:01:56 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 29 22:02:21 <dawm_> http://twitter.com/#!/dawm/status/86188798995742720
Jun 29 22:02:44 <PatrickC> good question
Jun 29 22:03:03 <PatrickC> I'm a pre- 2.1 user...
Jun 29 22:03:10 <PatrickC> I wonder the same about me...
Jun 29 22:03:18 <Popple3> PatrickC: You'll be fine, you're on 2.1
Jun 29 22:03:22 <dawm_> i would say its either rebuy apps w/ new profile or break phone profile.. really wish HP would have some go between
Jun 29 22:03:40 <PatrickC> you don't break the phone profile dawm_
Jun 29 22:03:41 <dawm_> like a meta profile
Jun 29 22:03:59 <PatrickC> you can make a 2.1 profile a 1.4.5 profile
Jun 29 22:04:02 <PatrickC> I've done it
Jun 29 22:04:09 <dawm_> i was told you cant
Jun 29 22:04:12 <sugardave> the other way
Jun 29 22:04:12 <PatrickC> you can
Jun 29 22:04:13 <dawm_> and that it wsa one way
Jun 29 22:04:14 <PatrickC> I did it
Jun 29 22:04:27 <dawm_> 1.4.5 to 2.x but not back again
Jun 29 22:04:51 <PatrickC> I took a 1.4.5 profile, made it a 9.9.9 profile, then made it a 2.1 profile, now its a 1.4.5.1 again
Jun 29 22:04:54 <singmajesty> I had a (sort of) similar problem moving to a Veer
Jun 29 22:05:02 <PatrickC> just erase backup data and its fine
Jun 29 22:05:09 <singmajesty> Most of the game developers who support both the Pixi and Pre made them separate app ID's
Jun 29 22:05:17 <PatrickC> yeah...
Jun 29 22:05:23 <singmajesty> So I need to purchase again to use it on the Veer
Jun 29 22:05:28 <dawm_> singmajesty, yah compiles different
Jun 29 22:05:29 <singmajesty> I had 30-40 games, now I have 6
Jun 29 22:05:33 <PatrickC> I had that issue going from a pixi (with purchased games) to a pre
Jun 29 22:05:33 <singmajesty> 4 of which are mine :)
Jun 29 22:05:41 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 29 22:05:43 <PatrickC> what games?
Jun 29 22:05:47 <singmajesty> I compiled my games for ARMv6
Jun 29 22:05:53 * PatrickC mooches promo codes :)
Jun 29 22:05:58 <singmajesty> haXe Demo, MineHX, Hoops, Whack-A-Mole
Jun 29 22:06:04 <singmajesty> They're all free, actually
Jun 29 22:06:11 <PatrickC> I think I have hoops
Jun 29 22:06:13 <singmajesty> I never made paid versions
Jun 29 22:06:20 <Popple3> ok, do I seriously have to listen to Mojo.Event.propertyChange to get the current ToggleButton value in Mojo?
Jun 29 22:06:29 <PatrickC> singmajesty: Being a #webOS legacy user (#Pre, 1.4.5), if I buy a #TouchPad will I have to make a new profile and rebuy my apps? @HP @webosinternals
Jun 29 22:06:38 <singmajesty> Can't you use a model when creating the ToggleButton?
Jun 29 22:06:43 <singmajesty> Then check the value of the model?
Jun 29 22:06:53 * Popple3 facepalm
Jun 29 22:06:55 <Popple3> that makes sense
Jun 29 22:06:58 <singmajesty> Then update the value, and say that the model has been updated in order to propogate a change back?
Jun 29 22:08:58 <PatrickC> dawm_: you like 4square? haha
Jun 29 22:09:15 <dawm_> sure
Jun 29 22:09:28 <PatrickC> I saw you checked in tons on twitter
Jun 29 22:09:37 <PatrickC> and got some new chips on your hood lol
Jun 29 22:10:43 <halfhalo> ugg twitter
Jun 29 22:11:10 <singmajesty> Twitter's the tweet to beat
Jun 29 22:11:29 <halfhalo> tweetdeck went crazy earlier today with all the mentions.  was totally unprepared for that.
Jun 29 22:11:37 <singmajesty> I hear its real neat
Jun 29 22:13:23 <Popple3> singmajesty: doesn't seem to work :(
Jun 29 22:13:44 <Popple3> singmajesty: No wait
Jun 29 22:13:48 <Popple3> palm-log stopped updating
Jun 29 22:13:52 <Popple3> there it is :D
Jun 29 22:14:01 <Popple3> perfect
Jun 29 22:14:05 <Popple3> danke schon
Jun 29 22:17:25 <singmajesty> Sure thing, Popple
Jun 29 22:17:37 <singmajesty> Mojo is something I *am* familiar with
Jun 29 22:17:59 <Popple3> quick question about promo codes, if I submit an update, do I need to recreate promo codes?
Jun 29 22:18:11 <Popple3> or does it just top up my available codes to 1000
Jun 29 22:18:17 <Popple3> (for major ones anyway)
Jun 29 22:18:22 <singmajesty> I think that's probably how it works
Jun 29 22:18:27 <singmajesty> I guess you can always try?
Jun 29 22:18:34 <singmajesty> (Or maybe someone here has done it before?)
Jun 29 22:18:43 <singmajesty> I haven't tried to offer any promo codes yet
Jun 29 22:22:30 <Popple3> singmajesty: Mind if I PM you with a quick NDA question? (Not Enyo related)
Jun 29 22:23:26 <dohtem> I just became the mayor of #webos on foursquare!
Jun 29 22:23:34 <dawm_> !
Jun 29 22:25:19 <dohtem> anyone else getting "Service Unavailable" when trying to access the forums?
Jun 29 22:25:32 <Popple3> dohtem: was just about to say that
Jun 29 22:25:45 <singmajesty> Sure
Jun 29 22:25:53 <dohtem> of course, that's the only place we can discuss [redacted]
Jun 29 22:25:59 * dohtem was just about to search
Jun 29 22:26:39 <maik> man, if HP can managed to webOS on Samsung hardware and get some actual nice friggen hardware, it may just be worth it to stick it out :/
Jun 29 22:26:46 <maik> manage*
Jun 29 22:27:30 <dohtem> HTC wants in too - http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/hp-confirms-its-in-talks-about-licensing-webos-samsung-tipped/
Jun 29 22:27:43 <maik> man that would be nice
Jun 29 22:27:53 <maik> but i imagine that's at least a year away :/
Jun 29 22:28:07 <dohtem> meh, no htc.  read that incorrectly.
Jun 29 22:29:32 <maik> gah, went to submit an app and getting Service Unavailable as well
Jun 29 22:29:42 <maik> now all of developer.palm.com
Jun 29 22:32:15 <PatrickC> I wish HTC did...
Jun 29 22:36:38 <maik> what what whaaaaaaaat
Jun 29 22:36:47 <maik> developer.palm.com now says "The requested host is not configured."
Jun 29 22:38:04 <Popple3> switching over to developer.hpwebos.com perhaps?
Jun 29 22:38:50 <LoneStar99> probably so
Jun 29 22:38:59 <LoneStar99> get the error also
Jun 29 22:41:28 <dohtem> I'm assuming PreCentral already has their TouchPad review ready to go and are waiting till Friday, no?
Jun 29 22:43:25 <maik> that's what i was thinking, but yes
Jun 29 22:43:31 <LoneStar99> so far i must say enyo is way different than mojo, really sucks it is so different
Jun 29 22:43:52 <LoneStar99> like none of my mojo code works....
Jun 29 22:44:36 <dohtem> your application logic shouldn't need drastic change
Jun 29 22:45:53 <LoneStar99> well so far, can't get even the simplest stuff to work...
Jun 29 22:50:59 <dawm_> you need to stop thinking mojo
Jun 29 22:51:10 <dohtem> dev portal is back online
Jun 29 22:51:20 <singmajesty> You can use Mojo on TouchPad if you really want to
Jun 29 22:51:26 <dawm_> if i can manage to port (pretty much) my mojo game to c++ without knowing c++, enyo has to be easier :P
Jun 29 22:51:30 <singmajesty> Or you can even write straight HTML/JS/CSS, no framework at all
Jun 29 22:51:41 <singmajesty> dawm: Which game?
Jun 29 22:51:48 <dawm_> not released
Jun 29 22:52:00 <singmajesty> dawm: Has the port been a success, or not so much?
Jun 29 22:52:02 <dawm_> going PDK really sucks tho
Jun 29 22:52:11 <dawm_> oh it works just havent had time to tinker with it
Jun 29 22:52:21 <singmajesty> Maybe haXe would work for you?
Jun 29 22:52:22 <dawm_> going PDK means way way way way less features but the core game works
Jun 29 22:52:34 <LoneStar99> dawm_:  does C++ handle json shite?
Jun 29 22:52:39 <singmajesty> Less features, like APIs?
Jun 29 22:52:39 <dawm_> no idea
Jun 29 22:52:40 <demetry14> curious if anyone would be interesting in taking my build of PreFox after the initial build and making something out of it?
Jun 29 22:52:57 <dawm_> singmajesty, the SDK version was practically done :P
Jun 29 22:53:13 <singmajesty> http://www.joshuagranick.com/blog/2011/05/12/having-fun-with-flash-webos-haxe-and-actuate/
Jun 29 22:53:19 <dawm_> dont know flash
Jun 29 22:53:30 <singmajesty> What stopped you from releasing with the SDK?
Jun 29 22:53:35 <dawm_> i dont know how to get web stuff in c++
Jun 29 22:53:38 <singmajesty> (Actionscript is very similar to Javascript)
Jun 29 22:53:47 <dawm_> framerate was poor on device, audio (html5) serverly lagged if it worked at all
Jun 29 22:54:04 <singmajesty> Yeah
Jun 29 22:54:18 <singmajesty> That's what made me go to the PDK, but I wasn't sure about C++, because of the work
Jun 29 22:54:48 <LoneStar99> dawm_:  i may have to port some code into C++ but only it has libraries to parse JSON
Jun 29 22:54:48 <singmajesty> I ported haXe so I could load graphics, push them around, alpha, drop shadows, etc. without having to write GL, handle garbage collection, etc.
Jun 29 22:55:10 <dawm_> my game was canvas based, so going to C++ wasnt too bad, just figuring out the storage mechanisms and syntax was the challenge
Jun 29 22:55:14 <singmajesty> If its for the TouchPad, you can do hybrids, though, so C++ and Javascript together
Jun 29 22:55:32 <dawm_> but i still dont know how to get web stuff in c++ or file manipulation
Jun 29 22:55:47 <dawm_> plus im pretty sure im doing my drawing wrong but it works ;p
Jun 29 22:55:48 <singmajesty> You can use curl or other libraries to pull down files
Jun 29 22:55:55 <dawm_> no idea how to add that
Jun 29 22:55:57 <LoneStar99> dawm_:  it is not canvas based anymore?
Jun 29 22:55:58 <singmajesty> You can't render web content on screen, though
Jun 29 22:56:04 <dawm_> never done c before
Jun 29 22:56:10 <dawm_> lone its SDL now
Jun 29 22:56:17 <dawm_> which is pretty much the same as canvas in how you draw
Jun 29 22:56:54 <LoneStar99> dawm_ interesting, something i will look into soon
Jun 29 22:57:03 <ramitos> first touchpad review http://allthingsd.com/20110629/touchpad-needs-more-apps-reboot-to-rival-ipad/?p=92988?mod=tweet
Jun 29 22:57:04 <maik> developer.palm.com is back
Jun 29 22:57:18 <LoneStar99> i have tons of X and Y coords, will that work with SDL?
Jun 29 22:57:21 <singmajesty> I know someone who wrote bindings for SDL
Jun 29 22:57:23 <dawm_> singmajesty, i was mainly wanting to store scores and achivements
Jun 29 22:57:29 <singmajesty> from node.js
Jun 29 22:57:29 <dawm_> online
Jun 29 22:57:34 <singmajesty> Ah
Jun 29 22:57:42 <dawm_> post to twitter.. etc
Jun 29 22:57:43 <singmajesty> Yeah, curl might be what you need
Jun 29 22:57:45 <Popple3> A mate of mine is working on an SDL game engine at the moment. Been telling him to dev webOS, but he won't :(
Jun 29 22:58:11 <singmajesty> That's what we're using in haXe NME
Jun 29 22:58:19 <singmajesty> to enable the URLLoader class
Jun 29 22:58:38 <dawm_> hrm
Jun 29 22:58:41 <singmajesty> var hello = new URLLoader (new URLRequest ("http://www.palm.com"));
Jun 29 22:58:46 <dawm_> was at 737 tweets today
Jun 29 22:58:50 <singmajesty> hello.addEventListener (Event.COMPLETE, myListener)
Jun 29 22:58:56 <dawm_> 11 in the last 5 minutes (replies)
Jun 29 22:59:09 <dawm_> seems people dont get the whole idea of profile conversion to 2+
Jun 29 23:04:09 <Popple3> I'm gone stupid... I need to show a scrim in Mojo, and I can't for the life of me remember how
Jun 29 23:04:10 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 23:04:31 <Popple3> I have a feeling I just change the display style?
Jun 29 23:06:37 <dohtem> Popple3: $("scrimId").show();
Jun 29 23:07:09 <Popple3> dohtem: and hide() to get rid of it?
Jun 29 23:07:12 <dohtem> yup
Jun 29 23:07:20 <Popple3> changing the display style actually worked but that's neater
Jun 29 23:07:22 <dohtem> It should be visible by default though
Jun 29 23:07:51 <Popple3> Ah, I have it hidden in my stylesheet
Jun 29 23:07:59 <dohtem> yeah, I set "display: none" when it's defined and show it when I need it
Jun 29 23:08:46 <demetry14> What is the physical boot time of the HP Touchpad?
Jun 29 23:09:12 <demetry14> is it compareable to the Pre - Pre2 - Pre3 or the iPad?
Jun 29 23:10:04 <demetry14> When I was at Wally World, I forgot to reboot the damn device and i have no plans to return untill Friday @ BB for my tablet.
Jun 29 23:10:45 <Popple3> dohtem: Hmmmm... show() isn't working...
Jun 29 23:11:02 * Popple3 goes back to styles
Jun 29 23:13:40 <Popple3> is there any way to pass something to the previous scene when we pop a scene?
Jun 29 23:15:02 <Popple3> (I would look these things up myself, but I'm in a bit of a rush, sorry if I seem to be flooding stuff I shouldn't need to)
Jun 29 23:16:03 <NuttyBunny> Popple3: They won't approve your app for tomorrow :)
Jun 29 23:16:23 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15669
Jun 29 23:17:07 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: I beg to differ :P
Jun 29 23:17:45 <Popple3> (second last point before FAQs)
Jun 29 23:18:00 <maik> was there something special we needed to do when uploading if we are releasing an Enyo app but still want the Mojo version to be available?
Jun 29 23:18:18 <Popple3> maik: It's all in that post I just linked to
Jun 29 23:18:24 <maik> haha, thanks
Jun 29 23:18:39 <NuttyBunny> ah, shit.. sorry, I was thinking that today was the 30th... :D
Jun 29 23:19:00 <Popple3> best thing is, it'll mean I'll be able to get my TouchPad app fixed before launch too (Posterous API broke it)
Jun 29 23:19:07 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: pwned :P
Jun 29 23:19:15 * PatrickC runs in thru open door
Jun 29 23:19:24 * Popple3 slams door in PatrickC's face
Jun 29 23:19:30 <PatrickC> ow
Jun 29 23:19:41 <Popple3> you should be more careful :P
Jun 29 23:19:48 * PatrickC slaps Popple3 
Jun 29 23:20:20 <PatrickC> (and steals Popple3's ipk to submit it first!)
Jun 29 23:20:23 <PatrickC> ;)
Jun 29 23:20:33 <Popple3> good luck with that :P
Jun 29 23:21:07 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 29 23:24:06 <PatrickC> Popple3: need some beta testers?
Jun 29 23:24:15 <Popple3> PatrickC: Not enough time
Jun 29 23:24:16 <Popple3> lol
Jun 29 23:24:26 <PatrickC> I have a day :)
Jun 29 23:24:32 <Popple3> I don't :P
Jun 29 23:24:35 <Popple3> I have a few hours
Jun 29 23:24:44 <PatrickC> you'll need them for later releases
Jun 29 23:24:47 <Popple3> then sleep, then work, then I'll have missed the deadline
Jun 29 23:25:04 <PatrickC> nDrive has a beta team and they're released :P
Jun 29 23:28:33 <halfhalo> http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/29/hp-touchpad-review/
Jun 29 23:30:59 <PatrickC> engadget did one too
Jun 29 23:31:49 <Popple3> I think I'm finished :D
Jun 29 23:32:04 <Popple3> oh wait, log out option
Jun 29 23:32:06 <Popple3> and send feedback
Jun 29 23:32:08 <Popple3> then I'm done
Jun 29 23:34:55 <Popple3> can I use Mojo.Controller.StageController.topScene() then straight away push a different scene?
Jun 29 23:35:08 <Popple3> in the same function where I'm using topScene
Jun 29 23:38:07 <PatrickC> why Mojo?
Jun 29 23:38:15 <PatrickC> why not Enyo? :)
Jun 29 23:38:29 <Popple3> PatrickC: It's a fat app, will run Mojo and Enyo ;)
Jun 29 23:38:42 <PatrickC> oh!
Jun 29 23:38:43 <PatrickC> awesome!
Jun 29 23:38:56 <PatrickC> I'll have to get with you on how to make that..
Jun 29 23:39:25 <Popple3> PatrickC: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15669
Jun 29 23:39:58 <haeffb> popScene ?
Jun 29 23:40:27 <Popple3> haeffb: I want to get rid of the whole stack and start from scratch (log out action)
Jun 29 23:40:28 <haeffb> and, yes, you can pass params in popScene
Jun 29 23:40:36 <Popple3> haeffb: Yeah, got that sorted, thanks :)
Jun 29 23:41:07 <haeffb> glad to help! :)
Jun 29 23:42:37 <haeffb> to submit or not to submit. That is the question.
Jun 29 23:45:33 <Popple3> ok, topScene doesn't work :/
Jun 29 23:45:41 <Popple3> How do I completely get rid of the stack?
Jun 29 23:46:16 <Popple3> oh wait, I see
Jun 29 23:46:19 <Popple3> popScenesTo
Jun 29 23:46:20 <Popple3> awesome
Jun 29 23:47:49 <Popple3> or not :/
Jun 29 23:48:16 <Popple3> no wait, that'll work
Jun 29 23:48:48 <Popple3> login is always popped after login, so it'll always go right down to the end, at which point I can push login
Jun 29 23:48:50 <Popple3> perfect
Jun 29 23:49:44 <Popple3> awesome, worked perfectly
Jun 29 23:50:51 <Popple3> now it just needs to actually log out >.>
Jun 29 23:50:56 <Hendikins> Just got my Veer... and even though I know the dimensions of it before buying, I still can't help but think "damn this thing is small"
Jun 29 23:51:41 <Hendikins> Er, knew. Only just woke up, still half asleep.
Jun 30 00:14:52 * halfhalo yawns
Jun 30 00:18:33 <rwhitby> Hendikins: how are you going to go about activating it?
Jun 30 00:21:45 <Hendikins> Impostah.
Jun 30 00:23:40 <rwhitby> Good Plan.  /msg me here if you want to double check stuff as you go.
Jun 30 00:24:49 <Popple3> anyone have any idea why download manager would be calling onSuccess straight away? It's not waiting for my file to upload first :/
Jun 30 00:25:36 <Popple3> ah, never mind, I see now
Jun 30 00:26:16 <Hendikins> rwhitby: I'm taking the RTFM option, but I'll be sure to bug you if anything strange happens.
Jun 30 00:28:00 <rwhitby> Hendikins: make sure you have a tail -f /var/log/messages and ls-monitor running in the background so you can see exactly what is happening.
Jun 30 00:29:54 * Hendikins has nothing strange to report, runs the unlocker.
Jun 30 00:33:21 <Tibfib> SPAZ HD: Reasonably good
Jun 30 00:34:25 <rwhitby> Spaz HD rocks
Jun 30 00:34:42 <oil> heh
Jun 30 00:34:47 <Tibfib> I'll take reasonably good from a crufty old reviewer
Jun 30 00:34:57 <Tibfib> rocks is even better :)
Jun 30 00:35:20 <Tibfib> Once I get a touchpad, I'll be able to tweak the UX and make it gooooooood
Jun 30 00:37:57 <rwhitby> Tibfib: need to add list support as another pane type.
Jun 30 00:38:04 <Tibfib> maybe
Jun 30 00:38:11 <Tibfib> rwhitby: it's open source
Jun 30 00:38:14 <Tibfib> feel free to help :)
Jun 30 00:38:27 <rwhitby> right, it was a "royal we" need to
Jun 30 00:39:00 <rwhitby> speaking of which, I need to get access to the repo from funkatron
Jun 30 00:39:55 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 30 00:40:02 <Tibfib> funkatron is not going to do anymore actual twitter stuff
Jun 30 00:40:17 <Tibfib> so if list support is already there, I'll see about hooking it in
Jun 30 00:40:24 <Tibfib> (there in SpazCore)
Jun 30 00:42:21 <Hendikins> Well that was all really painless. Now I just need to tell the Veer to bugger off and not use 3TELSTRA.
Jun 30 00:43:32 <rwhitby> Hendikins: app cat access?
Jun 30 00:43:39 <haeffb> "Your app has been submitted"
Jun 30 00:43:56 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Paid.
Jun 30 00:44:00 <Hendikins> US.
Jun 30 00:44:21 * rwhitby loves it when a plan comes together
Jun 30 00:44:52 <rwhitby> I reckon the developers of all the apps you purchase should send me a 10% cut.
Jun 30 00:45:12 <Hendikins> Now I just have to wait for the bloke I got the Veer off to give me the Simon Malls gift card.
Jun 30 00:45:32 <Popple3> rwhitby: Or we could just your awesome tools and buy Preware Homebrew Docs ;)
Jun 30 00:45:41 <Popple3> and other apps that supports webOS Internals
Jun 30 00:45:52 <rwhitby> Hendikins: make sure he gets the Visa version - they're pushing Amex hard now and that won't work.
Jun 30 00:46:05 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Yes, he knows to get the Visa.
Jun 30 00:46:31 <Hendikins> Which, contrary to that tweet recently, is still available.
Jun 30 00:46:36 <rwhitby> I need to get another one soon too.  Only $20 left on my current one.
Jun 30 00:47:05 <Hendikins> I'll be able to get mine topped up if required.
Jun 30 00:48:24 <haeffb> http://smallpondapps.com/pondnotes/
Jun 30 00:49:15 <Flashpass_> haeffb: oh awesome you did a tp simplenote app, just what I need :)
Jun 30 00:49:47 * haeffb loves simplenote
Jun 30 00:50:17 <haeffb> if you want a free copy, send me an email: haeffb at gmail
Jun 30 00:50:35 <Flashpass_> yeah love it too, and will be sending an email :)
Jun 30 00:52:56 <Popple3> I know I asked this before, but I thought I'd ask again. There's some sort of bug with <a> tags in webOS, if you start a scroll on one, and end on it too, it opens. Does anyone know an easy way to solve that?
Jun 30 00:54:58 <Tibfib> hmm so HP Play just syncs stuff for you
Jun 30 00:55:01 <Tibfib> it isn't in the cloud or anything
Jun 30 00:55:10 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/review-hp-touchpad
Jun 30 00:55:14 <Tibfib> Looks like I'm making Koto Enyo!
Jun 30 01:19:36 <JenP> hi all!!!!
Jun 30 01:20:07 <dkirker> hi JenP!
Jun 30 01:20:18 <JenP> hi dkirker how are you?
Jun 30 01:20:28 <dkirker> busy as hell...
Jun 30 01:20:33 <dkirker> and then busier...
Jun 30 01:20:36 <dkirker> how about you?
Jun 30 01:21:05 <JenP> LOL things have finally slowed down enough for me to get back into development.
Jun 30 01:21:55 * halfhalo keeps refreshing amazon order page for touchstone shipment update
Jun 30 01:22:21 <JenP> hi halfhalo!
Jun 30 01:22:31 <halfhalo> hola!
Jun 30 01:22:37 <Popple3> harro JenP
Jun 30 01:22:49 <JenP> hello Popple3
Jun 30 01:24:31 <rwhitby> hey JenP - I'm doing another talk at OSCON. Any ideas for a Portland, OR penguin?
Jun 30 01:24:46 <sugardave> hi JenP
Jun 30 01:25:19 <JenP> Oh I'll tell Joshua he's been doing a LOT  with 3d modeling in Maya. Got a deadline for me?
Jun 30 01:25:26 <JenP> sugardave!!! hello
Jun 30 01:25:35 <JenP> oh...i have missed you all so.
Jun 30 01:26:20 <sugardave> it's because you're never around :(
Jun 30 01:26:40 <JenP> but i'm here now. and should be back in the fold.
Jun 30 01:26:45 <sugardave> woo!
Jun 30 01:27:04 <JenP> hey anyone know if komodo's been updated for 3.0 stuff?
Jun 30 01:27:11 <rwhitby> JenP: two weeks would be good
Jun 30 01:27:37 <JenP> rwhitby: I'll tell him tonight when he get's home.
Jun 30 01:27:42 <Popple3> hmmmmm... Does XMLHttpRequest not support DELETE in 1.4.5...? :/
Jun 30 01:31:52 <Popple3> seems not... :/
Jun 30 01:33:26 <summatusmentis> for those of you w/ a touchpad, are the reviews being overly harsh?
Jun 30 01:33:32 <torchie> reviews are out?
Jun 30 01:33:37 <torchie> WHERE
Jun 30 01:33:46 <torchie> do they have app catalog pix
Jun 30 01:33:48 <summatusmentis> are you serious?
Jun 30 01:33:54 <Popple3> thisismynext, engadget, precentral
Jun 30 01:33:57 <Popple3> haven't read any yet
Jun 30 01:34:11 <summatusmentis> Wired has one that I haven't read yet, Wal Mossberg
Jun 30 01:34:31 <summatusmentis> BGR
Jun 30 01:35:13 <torchie> THISISMYNEXT HAS ONE?
Jun 30 01:35:14 * torchie allupons.
Jun 30 01:35:57 <summatusmentis> ude, do you live under a rock?
Jun 30 01:36:28 <summatusmentis> or are you just completely not on twitter?
Jun 30 01:37:14 <torchie> I haven't been on twitter for the last 3 hours ok
Jun 30 01:37:55 <summatusmentis> :-P
Jun 30 01:38:04 <torchie> why didn't hp go with a soft touch at least
Jun 30 01:39:10 <haeffb> JenP!!!
Jun 30 01:39:24 <JenP> haeffb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 30 01:40:03 <haeffb> coming back to the fold, are you?
Jun 30 01:40:22 <Popple3> that's it. I'm finished :D
Jun 30 01:40:25 <JenP> smiles...yes. Life has started to slow down.
Jun 30 01:44:36 <Popple3> Ack! TouchPad emulator stops working just when I need to do a final test :'(
Jun 30 01:45:26 <torchie> huh
Jun 30 01:45:35 <torchie> touchpad keyboard/touchstone dock is mad baller
Jun 30 01:46:44 <summatusmentis> the BGR review is is nicer than most of the others
Jun 30 01:47:01 <torchie> this is my next's says it's quite buggy
Jun 30 01:47:10 <Tibfib> nice
Jun 30 01:47:21 <torchie> stuttery/buggy
Jun 30 01:47:25 <torchie> doesn't have enough info on app catalog
Jun 30 01:47:59 <torchie> apparently if you pull a card down it makes a stretching noise?
Jun 30 01:48:03 <torchie> which sounds natural as heeeeell
Jun 30 01:48:04 <torchie> tite
Jun 30 01:48:47 <rwhitby> only if you have the device rotated 180 degrees from normal landscape
Jun 30 01:49:14 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: can you comment on your experiences vs. what the reviews are saying?
Jun 30 01:49:34 <rwhitby> nope, I'm under NDA until the 1st
Jun 30 01:49:54 <summatusmentis> ok, fair enough
Jun 30 01:49:56 <torchie> gonna take a look at BGR's
Jun 30 01:50:08 <summatusmentis> precentral's is the most in depth
Jun 30 01:50:12 <torchie> are reviewers under any sort of agreement where they can't specify thigns about the app catalog
Jun 30 01:50:20 <torchie> precentral it is
Jun 30 01:50:55 <rwhitby> torchie: since NDA terms are usually confidential, there would be no way of knowing who has what NDA
Jun 30 01:51:11 <torchie> two part review huh
Jun 30 01:51:20 <torchie> wow, even NDas are NDa
Jun 30 01:51:28 <rwhitby> in general, yes.
Jun 30 01:51:35 <torchie> dastardly.
Jun 30 01:51:51 <rwhitby> some even prevent you from making it known that you even have an NDA, or who it is with.
Jun 30 01:51:52 <torchie> ooh so pivot is the fist thing that comes up when you open the catalog?
Jun 30 01:51:56 <torchie> done riiiiight!
Jun 30 01:52:07 <torchie> so even NDA NDAs can be NDA
Jun 30 01:52:28 <destinal> ~whe
Jun 30 01:54:07 <Tibfib> but only if they are NDA
Jun 30 01:55:09 <torchie> wait crap
Jun 30 01:55:17 <torchie> youd have to exercise your nda tou tell people that your nda ndas are nda
Jun 30 01:56:20 <summatusmentis> you're not obligated to answer any questions
Jun 30 01:56:52 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 30 01:57:01 <Epyon22> plead the fith
Jun 30 01:57:07 <Popple3> My DNA is under NDA
Jun 30 01:57:08 <Popple3> >.>
Jun 30 01:57:11 <Popple3> <.<
Jun 30 01:57:20 <Epyon22> rna
Jun 30 01:57:24 <Tibfib> NDNA
Jun 30 01:57:27 <torchie> not
Jun 30 01:57:38 <torchie> fully gpu accelerated
Jun 30 01:57:42 <Epyon22> lol is that like the drug version of mdma
Jun 30 01:57:53 <Epyon22> *disclosure
Jun 30 01:58:10 <torchie> mdma is like the club version of dvna
Jun 30 01:58:13 <torchie> dvno*
Jun 30 01:58:15 <torchie> FOUR CAPITAL LETTERS
Jun 30 01:58:17 <torchie> WRITTEN IN GOLD
Jun 30 01:58:33 <Popple3> Hurry up and be the first already! :P
Jun 30 01:58:54 <torchie> trying to finish this review before south park comes on
Jun 30 02:01:26 <torchie> man one thing is for sure
Jun 30 02:01:29 <torchie> it is looking beautiful
Jun 30 02:02:43 <torchie> and the angry birds noise is choice
Jun 30 02:05:45 <summatusmentis> these reviews make me sad
Jun 30 02:06:08 <summatusmentis> I think BGRs point about the whole industry being young is interesting
Jun 30 02:09:20 <Popple3> :D Just packaged up my first fat app
Jun 30 02:09:27 <Popple3> now to submit
Jun 30 02:09:37 <Epyon22> your a fat app
Jun 30 02:10:05 <Popple3> Epyon22: yes, it is my fat app :P
Jun 30 02:10:14 <rwhitby> I recommended that Palm call that "universal package" but it didn't stick
Jun 30 02:11:01 <Epyon22> that would make alot of sense
Jun 30 02:11:09 <Popple3> I'd imagine they'll work on something better then call it something like that instead
Jun 30 02:11:23 <Popple3> It's quite a hacky implementation at the moment really
Jun 30 02:11:54 <Epyon22> how is it hacky?
Jun 30 02:12:47 <Popple3> Epyon22: It basically just checks the OS version and redirects to a different HTML page. It was literally something thrown together at first, that just kinda stuck
Jun 30 02:13:11 <dcousineau> usually how things work though
Jun 30 02:13:18 <dcousineau> "hey hceckout this prototype!"
Jun 30 02:13:24 <dcousineau> "cool, it's in production now"
Jun 30 02:13:25 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 30 02:13:26 <dcousineau> "..."
Jun 30 02:13:28 <Popple3> lol
Jun 30 02:13:32 <summatusmentis> universal package is pretty close to universal binary that OS X uses
Jun 30 02:13:38 <dcousineau> story of the email system at my old uni for 10 years
Jun 30 02:13:39 <LoneStar99> what is the equivent to event.stop() in javascript?
Jun 30 02:13:46 <dcousineau> admins go "hey look the prootype mail server is up"
Jun 30 02:13:55 <Popple3> LoneStar99: event.stopPropogation() ?
Jun 30 02:14:06 <Tibfib> event.DIEDIEDIE()
Jun 30 02:14:12 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 30 02:14:17 <dcousineau> Tibfib is more correct
Jun 30 02:14:24 <LoneStar99> nice
Jun 30 02:14:35 <Epyon22> man worst thing about not being in school is there isnt a plethora of heavy books to flatten things
Jun 30 02:15:14 <Tibfib> hmmmm, I feel like starting with the stock music app for koto enyo
Jun 30 02:15:20 <summatusmentis> Epyon22: read heavier books
Jun 30 02:15:44 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: what would it take to convince you to make koto implement ampache's xml api?
Jun 30 02:15:59 <Tibfib> $1000
Jun 30 02:16:07 <summatusmentis> guh
Jun 30 02:16:11 <Tibfib> no, I guess I just don't feel the need
Jun 30 02:16:19 <Tibfib> there's already the ampache app
Jun 30 02:16:19 <dohtem> $1000 is not cool... you know what's cool?
Jun 30 02:16:26 <dohtem> $10000!
Jun 30 02:16:27 <Epyon22> -$10
Jun 30 02:16:43 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: It's open source!
Jun 30 02:16:46 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 30 02:16:46 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: there is, I'd just like one app to do both local playing, and streamig
Jun 30 02:17:06 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: yeah, I've considered it, I don't have time to work on my own app, let alone someone else's :)
Jun 30 02:17:33 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: well you're the one that wants ampache :)
Jun 30 02:17:40 <summatusmentis> I mean, I know
Jun 30 02:17:48 <summatusmentis> I was just curious :)
Jun 30 02:19:29 <torchiere> <torchie> what is going on
Jun 30 02:19:30 <torchiere> <torchie> i thought they were spending months at a time not releasing a product for the sake of refining it
Jun 30 02:19:42 <torchiere> apparently memos eats itself alive after 1500 words
Jun 30 02:19:42 <torchiere> how many characters is that
Jun 30 02:19:45 <torchiere> how many utf8 characters is that
Jun 30 02:21:57 <summatusmentis> how many memos do you write that are 1500 words long?
Jun 30 02:22:03 <Popple3> sugardave: ping
Jun 30 02:22:25 <sugardave> pong
Jun 30 02:22:56 <Popple3> sugardave: I'm submitting a fat app, but it's not accepting my Pre screenshots. Any idea what I'm supposed to do? :/
Jun 30 02:23:17 <Popple3> it doesn't say on the thread, just says that I should make it clear :/
Jun 30 02:23:26 <sugardave> no clue :/
Jun 30 02:23:31 <haeffb> make it more clear?
Jun 30 02:23:37 <haeffb> and then even clearer?
Jun 30 02:23:47 * rwhitby decided not to be the guinea pig for fat apps, and just did a uiRevision:2
Jun 30 02:24:03 <Popple3> haeffb: As in, make it clear which is touchpad, which is phone
Jun 30 02:24:31 <Tibfib> rwhitby: your nda is showing
Jun 30 02:24:44 <haeffb> oooh. yuck
Jun 30 02:24:48 <oil_pre> lols
Jun 30 02:24:58 <Popple3> rwhitby: I already practically had the Mojo version finished bar a few UI things, so I decided I might as well
Jun 30 02:24:58 <haeffb> put it away
Jun 30 02:25:17 <rwhitby> meh - that information is available in the clear in public tutorials
Jun 30 02:25:24 <haeffb> Popple3: I have no idea what you should do, other than make it clear
Jun 30 02:25:29 <Tibfib> oh is it?
Jun 30 02:25:30 <haeffb> opacity: 0;
Jun 30 02:25:30 <Tibfib> where?
Jun 30 02:25:41 * Popple3 slaps haeffb 
Jun 30 02:26:08 <haeffb> "but the ability to easily aggregate multiple calendars from disparate sources makes it a useful addition here. At least, for people who have things to do at set times."
Jun 30 02:26:32 <haeffb> i.e. the calendar is useful for people who use calendars....
Jun 30 02:26:44 <Popple3> screw it, I'll just put it in the description that it's the tablet screenshots
Jun 30 02:26:54 <Popple3> It's now or never
Jun 30 02:26:56 <haeffb> if you don't need a calender, then engadget suggests you don't need it.
Jun 30 02:26:58 <Popple3> or well, later
Jun 30 02:28:27 <sugardave> arg, I have to wash the dog
Jun 30 02:28:33 <Hendikins> Yep, this looks like success to me: http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/veer-paidapps-telstra.png
Jun 30 02:28:49 <torchiere> summatusmentis: TEN
Jun 30 02:28:53 <torchiere> BILLION
Jun 30 02:29:52 <rwhitby> Hendikins: sweet.  now buy that first one.
Jun 30 02:30:14 * haeffb wonders why touchpad reviewers are reviewing third-party apps...
Jun 30 02:30:18 <rwhitby> oil_pre and I want to go boating
Jun 30 02:30:19 <Hendikins> rwhitby: I will once I have received method of payment.
Jun 30 02:30:25 <oil_pre> wirc!
Jun 30 02:30:32 <oil_pre> not phd xD
Jun 30 02:30:36 <Hendikins> Or I can just buy you a beer for the boating trip. :P
Jun 30 02:30:44 <rwhitby> get your PhD, then you can work.
Jun 30 02:30:51 <Hendikins> oil_pre: I don't use IRC on my phone. I do use Preware.
Jun 30 02:31:05 <oil_pre> aw
Jun 30 02:31:32 <rwhitby> Hendikins: if you buy it now, you get it at the cheap phone price, before oil_pre doubles the price for the touchpad release
Jun 30 02:32:16 <Hendikins> I still don't use IRC on my phone, and I still haven't received the card details with which to purchase it.
Jun 30 02:32:25 * haeffb will let you use my boat
Jun 30 02:32:30 * Hendikins uses an NX session for IRC.
Jun 30 02:32:45 <oil_pre> doubles?
Jun 30 02:32:46 <oil_pre> psh
Jun 30 02:33:10 <rwhitby> haeffb: awesome. when can you send it over?
Jun 30 02:35:27 <torchiere> does kindle have ballin page turn animations
Jun 30 02:35:49 <torchiere> review third party apps because I want to know what they are D:
Jun 30 02:36:06 <Epyon22> i think it just goes to the next page
Jun 30 02:36:37 <rwhitby> oil_pre: shall we push preware 1.6.8 to public feed?
Jun 30 02:37:00 <Epyon22> torchiere: my gf's isnt here so i cant check it out
Jun 30 02:37:10 <oil_pre> there was one thing I noticed in wirc but forgot to test
Jun 30 02:37:14 <Epyon22> rwhitby: oil_pre: yes
Jun 30 02:37:28 <oil_pre> the searchBack needs lower zindex
Jun 30 02:37:45 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 30 02:37:46 <oil_pre> search in pkglist the drop appmenu, you'll see it
Jun 30 02:37:51 <torchiere> no youtube app
Jun 30 02:37:52 <torchiere> D:
Jun 30 02:38:05 <Popple3> And that's Postie fat app submitted. 3:34am, I'm in work at 8:30, and have to have a shower in the meantime
Jun 30 02:38:37 <oil_pre> rwitby look at shearchBack in wircs device.css
Jun 30 02:39:24 <haeffb> rwhitby: you'ill just have to pay for shipping
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