**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:57 2011 Jul 04 03:06:06 would like to personally apolize to enyo, you are friend, safari is the bad guy! Jul 04 03:07:53 enyo doesn't care. Jul 04 03:08:23 lol Jul 04 03:10:47 cxreg: looks like Markdown is going to be possible Jul 04 03:11:21 but will have to be a view/edit toggle like the web site Jul 04 03:23:12 * fxspec06 wonders when he's going to start inserting major features into his app Jul 04 03:24:35 how do i convert [object Object] to actual text? Jul 04 03:25:41 you mean on console.log() Jul 04 03:25:47 you can inspect objects in chrome Jul 04 03:25:56 right click on anything Jul 04 03:26:01 bottom of context menu Jul 04 03:27:37 fxspec06: [object Object] is the actual repsonse i get back from ajax, so need to convert to string Jul 04 03:30:34 JSON.stringify? Jul 04 03:30:43 i know it is something like JSON something or other.... Jul 04 03:31:42 convert object to string hmm Jul 04 03:32:48 can you do it like obj + "" Jul 04 03:33:03 I doubt it Jul 04 03:33:19 I don't actually know any javascript, but that's not usually how objects work Jul 04 03:33:59 http://www.davidpirek.com/blog/object-to-string-how-to-deserialize-json Jul 04 03:34:03 Object.toHTML does not work Jul 04 03:35:15 JSON.stringify(value, replacer, space) Jul 04 03:36:57 fxspec06: ok let me try that Jul 04 03:37:56 last two are optional so like JSON.stringify(object); Jul 04 03:39:48 ok thanks works Jul 04 03:42:28 yippee Jul 04 03:42:48 * fxspec06 starts playing Queen:Another One Bites the Dust Jul 04 03:45:49 Weird Jul 04 03:47:38 whats up Jul 04 03:48:08 haeffb: i did try the ipk, not sure what was different Jul 04 03:48:15 woot for markdown! Jul 04 03:48:23 i think you'd be the first client to support it fyi Jul 04 03:48:27 that's worthy of some press Jul 04 03:50:34 haeffb: finally got ajax stuff working, it was the stupid browser cancelling ajax requests... Jul 04 03:51:22 guh, ajax, and parsing xml is not something I understand that well, let alone the enyo way of doing it Jul 04 03:51:31 lol Jul 04 03:51:49 well when you've tried everything there is to try Jul 04 03:51:58 the problem is clearly not where you're looking Jul 04 03:52:01 summatusmentis: have been on that issue since friday... finally got it sorted out for now.... Jul 04 03:52:05 cxreg: the sync was simplified a bit to try to make it faster...but it's still dependent on what the TP gives me for WebService and SQLite access Jul 04 03:52:18 and it will auto-sync every 60 minutes Jul 04 03:52:24 or it's supposed to, anyhow Jul 04 03:52:54 ah cool Jul 04 03:53:10 although it's rudimentary so far....just every 60 minutes after you open the app. and it resets every time you open it. Jul 04 03:53:25 but it will sync after the app is closed as well Jul 04 03:53:54 hmm Jul 04 03:53:58 LoneStar99: I hate when it does that Jul 04 03:53:59 something is screwy Jul 04 03:54:05 all my data is missing Jul 04 03:54:10 but its on the website Jul 04 03:54:13 it does that sometimes, too. Jul 04 03:54:16 close and reopen Jul 04 03:54:20 sigh. Jul 04 03:54:33 :) Jul 04 03:54:34 it's not reading the database on open...sometimes Jul 04 03:54:38 ah, the bugs of a new app Jul 04 03:54:43 lol Jul 04 03:54:59 * haeffb thinks the TP's SQLite is screwey Jul 04 03:55:07 haeffb: not to pile on but there's one more quirk ive noticed Jul 04 03:55:09 i'm past that and my app is near final but i don't want to add more features, even though i nead too Jul 04 03:55:16 sqlite is stupid anyways. Jul 04 03:55:19 no, please, let me have 'em Jul 04 03:55:23 there HAS to be an easier way. Jul 04 03:55:31 my TI-83 plus had MATRIX's Jul 04 03:55:35 if i have a note open when the sync happens sometimes i end up with that note duplicated in the list Jul 04 03:55:36 built-in Jul 04 03:55:48 not sure if it replaces another note or just shows up twice Jul 04 03:55:59 but close/open fixes it Jul 04 03:56:39 I need to implement better handling of the list... for instance, try sorting by alpha descending, then add a new note... :) Jul 04 03:57:12 i will.. but they're not loading no matter how many times i restart Jul 04 03:57:19 not sure but this may have happened when i upgraded Jul 04 03:57:45 can you check /media/internal to see how many DB's you have ? Jul 04 03:57:51 sure one sec Jul 04 03:59:26 does ./.app-storage/file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.smallpondapps.app.pondnotes_0 sound right? Jul 04 03:59:41 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8192 Jul 3 20:49 0000000000000005.db Jul 04 03:59:41 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28672 Jul 3 16:49 000000000000000e.db Jul 04 04:00:07 hrm Jul 04 04:00:38 yeah it's all there in 000000000000000e.db Jul 04 04:00:46 i can open it and read them Jul 04 04:00:51 with sqlite3 Jul 04 04:01:03 but for some reason, it wants to use 0000000000000005.db Jul 04 04:01:05 yep Jul 04 04:01:10 dumb Jul 04 04:01:24 should i drop and re-add my account? Jul 04 04:01:27 I have no idea why it does that Jul 04 04:01:33 or move he file? Jul 04 04:01:52 you can just close pondnotes, use novaterm to mv Jul 04 04:02:11 but the average user can't :( Jul 04 04:02:14 yah Jul 04 04:02:37 have you done any USB mode stuff lately? Jul 04 04:02:43 yep renaming it to 0000000000000005.db worked Jul 04 04:02:54 once earlier today Jul 04 04:03:07 to install the synergy plugins Jul 04 04:03:09 sometime after 16:49 ? Jul 04 04:03:13 could be Jul 04 04:03:48 is there an ipkg log which would tell me? Jul 04 04:04:00 dunno Jul 04 04:04:06 anyway sounds right Jul 04 04:04:17 I'm just guessing based on the file times Jul 04 04:04:21 yah Jul 04 04:05:56 * haeffb might try to get devrel to look at this stuff. I don't *think* I'm doing anything too messed up. Stuff that worked nicely on pre 3.0 webOS just seems...plagued by gremlins Jul 04 04:07:26 is lumberjack in australian time Jul 04 04:07:27 haeffb: i'd love to be working on some apps too but currently virtualbox crashes my laptop Jul 04 04:07:30 gah Jul 04 04:07:39 holy crap. lol Jul 04 04:07:48 enyo works in Chrome... :) Jul 04 04:07:50 i just figured that out Jul 04 04:07:55 .....now Jul 04 04:07:58 -.- Jul 04 04:08:35 haeffb: what's that online app builder they put up? Jul 04 04:08:39 i forget the name Jul 04 04:08:40 Ares Jul 04 04:08:43 right that Jul 04 04:08:46 it doesn't do enyo yet Jul 04 04:08:47 does that do 3.0 yet? Jul 04 04:08:49 ah ok Jul 04 04:09:20 in the meantime, feel free to study the pondNotes code and offer suggestions for improvement. :) Jul 04 04:09:33 tibfib_: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/top-5-free-apps-for-the-hp-touchpad-easter-eggs-bonus/3146 Jul 04 04:11:28 i didnt realize spaz was currently free Jul 04 04:11:40 me either Jul 04 04:12:12 spaz has always been free Jul 04 04:13:29 free as in beer Jul 04 04:15:38 both types of free in fact Jul 04 04:16:09 hm i thought it was a paid app Jul 04 04:16:48 the little arrows are funky, why doesnt it use the panes that the mail app uses? Jul 04 04:20:02 does anyone know how to bring back a dismissed view? Jul 04 04:25:08 * fxspec06 hits the sack with a thud Jul 04 04:25:13 night all Jul 04 04:30:46 how do i add the following to the "kind" --> http://pastie.org/2161184 Jul 04 04:36:07 * PatrickC walks in Jul 04 04:36:47 howdy PatrickC Jul 04 04:36:56 hey LoneStar99 Jul 04 04:38:38 LoneStar99: add it to the components array of the kind... components: [ {name: "getCans", kind: "WebService", onSuccess: "gotResultsSuccess", onFailure: "gotResultsFailure"}], Jul 04 04:39:15 ok.. how do I make a button tap launch a webpage or an email that has the to address and subject predefined? Jul 04 04:39:16 and then gotResulsSuccess needs to be a fnction of the kind as well Jul 04 04:39:57 Popple3: Postie looks amazing! Jul 04 04:41:24 PatrickC: http://pastebin.com/rsi1Kngq Jul 04 04:42:41 there's some other param for the address as well, I just don't use it Jul 04 04:42:49 haeffb: is the email address that its going to defined in there? Jul 04 04:42:58 oh.. stupid wirc Jul 04 04:43:08 didn't autoscroll when you said that.. srry :P Jul 04 04:43:32 bleh wtf now Jul 04 04:43:48 preware is throwing "unable to open packages database: SECURITY_ERR: DOM Exception 18" Jul 04 04:43:49 cxreg: what? Jul 04 04:44:07 PatrickC: forgot the kind: { Jul 04 04:44:07 kind: "PalmService", Jul 04 04:44:07 service: "palm://com.palm.applicationManager/", Jul 04 04:44:07 method: "open" Jul 04 04:44:07 }, Jul 04 04:44:10 sorry for the spam Jul 04 04:44:18 lol Jul 04 04:44:33 is pondNotes open source Jul 04 04:44:34 ? Jul 04 04:44:35 look up the applicationManager service in the docs for example on email address Jul 04 04:44:58 I suppose so. Jul 04 04:45:08 is it on github? Jul 04 04:45:12 I suppose so Jul 04 04:45:17 lol Jul 04 04:45:30 http://github.com/haeffb Jul 04 04:45:33 lol Jul 04 04:46:00 yep, there it is Jul 04 04:46:22 Tibfib_: ping Jul 04 04:47:08 error wont go away, restarting pad Jul 04 04:47:22 I haven't explicitly assigned a license to it...suppose I should do that sometime soon Jul 04 04:47:52 lol Jul 04 04:49:01 Graphite? Jul 04 04:49:12 whoops, wrong window Jul 04 04:49:46 haeffb: yeah got it thanks Jul 04 04:49:54 so does anyone know how to bring back a dismissed view? Jul 04 04:50:12 selectViewByName("myView") ? Jul 04 04:50:21 oh thats it Jul 04 04:50:22 just guessing Jul 04 04:50:39 didnt know i could use that for this Jul 04 04:51:00 * haeffb didn't either, thus the "just guessing" Jul 04 04:51:27 haeffb: correct! Jul 04 04:51:32 there's also selectViewByIndex Jul 04 04:51:37 PatrickC: the webOS Services reference in the docs has a very complete example of how to send an email Jul 04 04:51:43 or selectView(view) if you have a handle to the view Jul 04 04:52:02 haeffb: thanks I'll check it out Jul 04 04:52:28 past my bedtime. c u all later. Jul 04 04:53:36 why does this canvas drawing look gigantic in a browser? http://bobc.in/im/drop/cc/tp/bcqo-0 Jul 04 04:53:45 lats haeffb Jul 04 04:56:21 cya haeffb Jul 04 05:00:13 Popple3: Just used Postie for the first time. amazing! Jul 04 05:18:16 laters folks bb in some hours, the hay is calling my name Jul 04 05:31:33 I really want to get Universe onto the TouchPad... I just realized that I want to push a URL from my Mac over to the TouchPad, but I have no way too... :( Jul 04 05:32:27 teaser -> http://ompldr.org/vOWNqbw/mendeley3.png Jul 04 05:37:30 dkirker: I've tended to use a weird combination of Instapaper's Read Later bookmarklet and the open in browser command of an Instapaper client, but it's not fun Jul 04 05:37:41 yeah Jul 04 05:37:50 that is kind of a mess, sadly :( Jul 04 05:42:49 azakus, the answer was to use setShowing() Jul 04 06:05:35 I think some use neato! for that Jul 04 08:52:18 is it possible to program in a mix of Enyo and jquery? Jul 04 12:46:21 good morning webos Jul 04 13:10:10 I am writing a node.js service and use the ajaxcall to get information from the web. Does anyone know how I can pass arguments to the callback function? Jul 04 13:57:54 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/282217-windows-95-palm-pre-7.html#post3016130 Jul 04 13:57:56 lol Jul 04 14:09:18 have they seriously got win95 running a pre? Jul 04 14:09:26 I'm trying it now Jul 04 14:09:39 but the zip is a 7z file.. and I can't unzip it Jul 04 14:09:51 I need it to be a .zip or a .tar file.. Jul 04 14:19:47 i have it running Jul 04 14:19:50 on my pre+ Jul 04 14:20:02 * PatrickC doesnt Jul 04 14:20:12 I think I corrupted the file.. haha Jul 04 14:20:34 how the heck'd you do that Jul 04 14:20:59 if someone could have made it into a .zip or .tar naively it wouldn't have broken :) Jul 04 14:21:22 .7z is the best container Jul 04 14:21:36 just because it screws up ppl like you =) j/k Jul 04 14:21:38 webos doesn't know how to handel it Jul 04 14:21:42 haha Jul 04 14:21:44 ask WOSI Jul 04 14:21:52 to include it Jul 04 14:21:56 or mayb it's licensed Jul 04 14:21:58 to 7 zip Jul 04 14:22:09 I asked on #webos-internals about it an noone responded Jul 04 14:23:44 hmm Jul 04 14:23:45 I remember having a similar discussion on 7zip at work.. hehehe... a Project Manager couldn't open my files, because they were in an "non-standard format"... Jul 04 14:24:21 what format? lol... .7z? :P Jul 04 14:24:26 what geek can't open a 7zip Jul 04 14:24:40 that's the second thing i download Jul 04 14:24:45 with firefox downloader Jul 04 14:24:48 I *can* if I have the proper tools lol Jul 04 14:24:51 while firefox is downloading Jul 04 14:24:55 haha Jul 04 14:25:08 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt list | grep 7z Jul 04 14:25:13 p7zip - 9.20.1-1 - Command line version of 7-zip for POSIX systems. Jul 04 14:25:22 there you go, /opt/bin/ipg-opt install p7zip Jul 04 14:27:23 won't work Jul 04 14:27:55 "Failed to download p7zip, perhaps you should run ipkg-update" Jul 04 14:28:07 and I ran ipkg-opt update then it still said that Jul 04 14:28:43 you not near a PC Jul 04 14:28:52 happy 4th peeps! Jul 04 14:29:13 fxspec06: nope Jul 04 14:29:14 buenas cuatros lonestar Jul 04 14:29:20 I'm on the pre2 only atm Jul 04 14:29:35 you're doing something wrong Jul 04 14:29:46 PatrickC: you're holding it wrong Jul 04 14:29:49 mine is installing right now Jul 04 14:30:06 NuttyBunny: exact cmd is? this? Jul 04 14:30:11 ipkg-opt install p7zip Jul 04 14:30:12 ? Jul 04 14:30:30 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install p7zip Jul 04 14:30:40 that doesn't work either Jul 04 14:30:43 let me try again Jul 04 14:32:12 wget passive ftp failed Jul 04 14:33:24 ah, you're behind a nasty firewall Jul 04 14:33:40 them pesky firewalls. Jul 04 14:33:43 hrmm.. all the other ipkg-opt install cmd's work Jul 04 14:33:49 I installed git with it Jul 04 14:33:51 and git-svn Jul 04 14:34:12 if you're on wifi switch to 3g or viceversa Jul 04 14:34:40 this is wiki only :/ Jul 04 14:35:08 And here we go, spanish lessons... fxspec06: Perhaps you meant "Buenos Cuatros", or "Buen Cuatro" since it's "one" day Jul 04 14:35:20 wiki? nice ;) Jul 04 14:35:30 I want to edit PatrickC's Pre2 since it's a wiki Jul 04 14:35:31 wifi haha Jul 04 14:36:02 buenos.. i had a feeling it was that Jul 04 14:36:05 buen cuatro Jul 04 14:36:43 yep, you say "buenos dias" (I don't know why in plural), other people also say "buen dia", singular... it's odd Jul 04 14:37:08 lol Jul 04 14:37:11 happy days! Jul 04 14:37:27 NuttyBunny: any suggestions?? Jul 04 14:37:49 PatrickC: try this: Jul 04 14:38:16 wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/libstdc++_6.0.9-6_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:38:20 wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/p7zip_9.20.1-1_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:38:27 both? Jul 04 14:38:34 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt libstdc++_6.0.9-6_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:38:39 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt p7zip_9.20.1-1_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:38:41 man that'll be a long cmd to type.. lol Jul 04 14:38:47 yep, it installed both on mine Jul 04 14:38:53 ok.. Jul 04 14:39:02 * PatrickC wishes Terminal worked on 2.1 Jul 04 14:39:13 you can try and install them with preware as well, I don't know if they'll work that way :) Jul 04 14:39:28 true.. :) Jul 04 14:39:38 but will it install them to /opt/bin ? Jul 04 14:40:07 no idea Jul 04 14:41:04 what's the worst that can happen? if it doesn't work you can just uninstall the ipk's Jul 04 14:41:44 true Jul 04 14:41:46 I'll try that Jul 04 14:42:53 argh, I need to provide screenshots for subnet calculator... again, for the touchpad??!! I only added the stupid line to make it stop appearing in the little emu window :@ Jul 04 14:43:45 preware doesn't know what to do with them it looks like Jul 04 14:45:14 mmm... Jul 04 14:45:30 internalz? Jul 04 14:46:22 wget done Jul 04 14:51:46 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt libstdc++_6.0.9-6_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:51:46 no space left on device :/ Jul 04 14:51:50 won't install it Jul 04 14:51:51 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt p7zip_9.20.1-1_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:51:58 ah Jul 04 14:52:03 where did you download them? :P Jul 04 14:52:16 /opt/bin Jul 04 14:52:17 type "pwd" Jul 04 14:52:29 ok Jul 04 14:52:36 it said /opt/bin Jul 04 14:52:54 no, no, delete them from there, download them in /media/internal Jul 04 14:53:00 or just move them Jul 04 14:53:04 I'll just move them :) Jul 04 14:53:16 mv /opt/bin/*.ipk /media/internal Jul 04 14:53:22 cd /media/internal Jul 04 14:53:47 already done Jul 04 14:53:52 and... it's /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install libstdc++_6.0.9-6_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:54:05 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install p7zip_9.20.1-1_arm.ipk Jul 04 14:54:09 and hope for the best Jul 04 14:57:01 arg... Jul 04 14:57:16 anyone here who can help me with futures? Jul 04 14:57:40 my crystal ball broke, sorry Jul 04 14:57:44 hehe Jul 04 14:57:48 lol Jul 04 14:58:05 lollll Jul 04 14:58:07 ;) no idea what are you talking about Jul 04 14:58:19 I want to make X Ajaxcalls and when all are returned I want to do the next step. I just don't get it how to do this Jul 04 14:59:37 ah, no, I don't know ;( Jul 04 15:01:00 NuttyBunny: http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/Files/Unknown_2011-04-07_094428.png Jul 04 15:01:22 brb.. ping me if you find something Jul 04 15:02:18 mmm.. I thought ipkg-opt could install offline packages Jul 04 15:06:45 How to take screenshots in the emu? Jul 04 15:07:41 remove focus and hit prtscn Jul 04 15:07:50 PatrickC: Check the file sizes: p7zip_9.20.1-1_arm.ipk=1867711, libstdc++_6.0.9-6_arm.ipk=257364 Jul 04 15:08:01 fxspec06, nah, I have to crop and resize it later :P Jul 04 15:08:15 lazy mofo Jul 04 15:08:33 * fxspec06 is watching XXX: state of the union Jul 04 15:09:27 http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8434 grrr Jul 04 15:13:33 fxspec06: The netbook is slow, I have to open the emu (1-2 mins), take screenshots, power off the emu, open gimp, edit the images... argh, ass... I just could had novaterm'd to the emu and luna-send the screenshot command... bah Jul 04 15:18:06 Well, this amuses me. People look at the Veer and don't think it is a phone because of the size. Jul 04 15:18:42 LOL Jul 04 15:19:10 people look at the Pre 2 and they just don't know what it is :D Jul 04 15:19:25 is there a good way to do a getElementyById to get a child element of a div? Jul 04 15:19:35 I've been asked a couple of times if the Veer is an MP3 player. Jul 04 15:19:43 Or simply what the hell it is. Jul 04 15:19:48 Hendikins: nice Jul 04 15:19:55 "it's so cute!" :P Jul 04 15:20:23 A few others have looked at it and figured it was essentially a miniaturised Pre 2. Jul 04 15:21:42 This was the first day I've been sitting around TCAC all day with it on the table. Jul 04 15:23:10 wait, they knew what a pre2 was? Jul 04 15:23:36 I've had a Pre 2 for months now. I got a round of "What's that thing?" when I brought that in too... Jul 04 15:24:50 It is more that they worked out that it was a miniature version of the other phone they already knew I had, rather than a Pre 2 per se. Jul 04 15:25:12 ahh Jul 04 15:25:59 I'm in Australia. The number of WebOS users here is probably in the double digits. Jul 04 15:26:18 Maybe low three digits. Jul 04 15:26:57 I live and work near palm hq ... most people still don't know what a pre is :) Jul 04 15:26:59 Of course, the numbers would be higher if WebOS devices were actually sold here. Jul 04 15:27:07 (pre2) Jul 04 15:28:14 I really get the impression that WebOS devices could sell here if given the opportunity. Most people who I show my phones to seem to like the OS. Jul 04 15:33:20 We're doing some work for Telcel right now (not cellphone related, mostly LAN and Wifi). I've heard several Pre's ringining from time to time :) Jul 04 15:34:40 And everyone I have the chance to ask about it, they won't update to 1.4.5 because some "homologation" issues, and no webOS devices in the horizon for them :'( Jul 04 15:39:41 ouwwww Jul 04 15:39:51 MathJax is too large to fit into a WebOS app Jul 04 15:41:01 the WebKit version built into WebOS doesn't support mathml, right? Jul 04 15:42:34 NuttyBunny: back Jul 04 15:42:49 how do I check the file sizes? Jul 04 15:43:01 holy cow Jul 04 15:43:04 MathML does work Jul 04 15:43:25 no wait Jul 04 15:43:29 that testpage is just dumb Jul 04 15:44:01 irc channel "html5" sucks have asked about 10 question on different days, and no one every answers anything , like some sort of "HTM5" mob only answer to other mobsters Jul 04 15:44:17 :/ Jul 04 15:44:50 PatrickC: ls -l *.ipk Jul 04 15:44:59 its 1.04 MB Jul 04 15:45:04 sez internals Jul 04 15:45:15 LoneStar: reminds me of #webos or #webos-internals ;) Jul 04 15:45:17 my enyo app is almost ready! Jul 04 15:45:29 NuttyBunny: LOL Jul 04 15:45:42 PatrickC: see the sizes, is's incomplete Jul 04 15:46:02 1088512 Jul 04 15:46:16 what do you all recommend for the replacement of the followin need something for the TP --> http://www.bobchatter.com/im/help/img/dr100_paint_menu.jpg Jul 04 15:46:17 p7zip_9.20.1-1_arm.ipk=1867711, libstdc++_6.0.9-6_arm.ipk=257364 Jul 04 15:46:32 instead of hardware gestures... Jul 04 15:46:33 wow.. really low Jul 04 15:46:45 maybe a stupid question, but does enyo have the prototype library? Jul 04 15:46:57 LoneStar99: A toolbar either at the top or bottom Jul 04 15:47:19 hmmm.. but this is a drawing app? Jul 04 15:47:33 pat did you get that thing installed yet? Jul 04 15:47:39 NuttyBunny: should I try re-downloading it? Jul 04 15:47:49 you think a 30px height toolbar will not be to much? Jul 04 15:47:53 fxspec06: the p7zip didn't download the whole file... Jul 04 15:48:07 PatrickC: Of course, you won't get anywhere if you don't redownload it ;) Jul 04 15:48:24 hehe Jul 04 15:48:37 LoneStar99: Nope, it's nice, and you can put everything you need there :D Jul 04 15:48:47 anyone know how many variables a cookie can store before it fills up Jul 04 15:49:00 nutty bunny true that! Jul 04 15:49:07 i have two booleans 1 string and 6 integers Jul 04 15:49:12 if i add two more will it be 4k Jul 04 15:49:37 LoneStar99: My toolbar has about 9 icons, and it fits nicely ;) Jul 04 15:50:03 fxspec06: truly? 4k? I don't recall correctly but I think that's the limit for a cookie Jul 04 15:50:15 NuttyBunny: 1867711? Jul 04 15:50:37 i thought that's what it was Jul 04 15:50:50 PatrickC: right Jul 04 15:50:56 check the other file as well Jul 04 15:51:31 no space left on device Jul 04 15:51:39 There, update submitted, now I can finish my enyo app, and begin on the new one Jul 04 15:51:39 the other one installed cleanly Jul 04 15:51:48 aaaahhh... oops Jul 04 15:51:58 what? Jul 04 15:52:01 where are you downloading your git stuff?? Jul 04 15:52:11 in /opt/bin iirc Jul 04 15:52:26 wait.. like the core "git" components? Jul 04 15:52:35 or the stuff I "git clone" ? Jul 04 15:52:40 git clone Jul 04 15:52:54 in /media/internal/git Jul 04 15:53:32 why? Jul 04 15:54:04 wondering if you had enough space.. but it seems you hit the limit of the partition where /opt is installed Jul 04 15:54:12 grr.. Jul 04 15:54:13 NuttyBunny: you have a screenshot of your toolbar? Jul 04 15:54:32 LoneStar99: I had one, but it's on the other machine, hold on Jul 04 15:55:03 NuttyBunny: how do I fix that? Jul 04 15:55:19 and will 7zip unzip all files? Jul 04 15:55:27 hey guys, I need some assistance with Enyo Jul 04 15:55:29 PatrickC: You either delete some optware app(s), or ... grow your partition ;) Jul 04 15:55:33 if so, I can uninstall the standard "zip/unzip"? Jul 04 15:55:52 heh.. I've grown partitions before hehe Jul 04 15:56:02 sure, you may, I assume ipkg-opt remove zip Jul 04 15:56:21 I'm trying to make a modal dialog box, but it fills the left side of the screen instead of popping up in the middle like in the StyleMatters sample app Jul 04 15:56:39 I can't figure out why it won't show as a modal dialog box Jul 04 15:56:54 removed Jul 04 15:57:16 NuttyBunny: thnaks Jul 04 15:57:38 just trying to get an idea of how to design mine Jul 04 15:57:51 NuttyBunny: still no space :/ Jul 04 15:57:58 lets grow the partition lol Jul 04 15:58:00 rsanchez1: pastie of your popup kind? Jul 04 15:58:30 PatrickC: you need a pc, and there's no time (for me) right now ;) Jul 04 15:58:44 NuttyBunny: now it won't let ipkg-opt update anymore :/ Jul 04 15:58:52 I'm guessing a memboot is in order? Jul 04 16:01:30 512 chars in a cookie i believe for anyone interested Jul 04 16:01:33 NuttyBunny: gist.github.com/1063527 Jul 04 16:01:46 you guys hackin win95 w/o me? Jul 04 16:01:49 ; ) lol Jul 04 16:02:02 no time for me either Jul 04 16:02:52 http://m.precentral.net/white-processor-bumped-64gb-and-black-4g-touchpad-due-august-opal-and-pre3-fall Jul 04 16:03:05 fxspec06: hehe Jul 04 16:03:33 LoneStar99: uploading screenshot... hold on :) Jul 04 16:03:47 PatrickC: I want one of each please ;) Jul 04 16:04:01 hehe same here Jul 04 16:05:56 fxspec06: fix the pre2 issue! :D Jul 04 16:06:48 LoneStar99: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/Screenshot-4.png <-- screenshot ;) Jul 04 16:06:59 dr. battery time Jul 04 16:07:10 Just to give you an idea... btw, those are my gf and me ;) Jul 04 16:08:18 your gf has a 'stash?! lol Jul 04 16:08:20 * PatrickC ducks Jul 04 16:08:48 NuttyBunny: ok thanks will work on my toolbar in abit, need to paint with an aunt right now Jul 04 16:09:01 LoneStar: have fun Jul 04 16:09:31 PatrickC: we both have, aren't those nice? ;) hehehe Jul 04 16:09:36 haha Jul 04 16:10:12 * PatrickC wants to see T3 today!! :D Jul 04 16:11:00 NuttyBunny: what do you use for storage in your app? like preferences.. Jul 04 16:11:51 PatrickC: Preferences? Everything is random and asked at runtime. This one doesn't have any preferences. The next one will :D Jul 04 16:12:02 lol Jul 04 16:14:10 anyone have a completed enyo app with preferences? Jul 04 16:15:04 ok, gotta go.. bbl Jul 04 16:15:17 bye nutty Jul 04 16:15:30 cya NuttyBunny Jul 04 16:16:14 with preferences you mean what exactly? Jul 04 16:16:23 like a toggle Jul 04 16:16:41 I'm trying to find the easiest way to do simple toggle preferences in enyo Jul 04 16:16:46 like mojo.cookie Jul 04 16:16:48 ok chat with you all in a while Jul 04 16:16:53 cya Jul 04 16:17:47 ok, with cookie I cant help...trying to use db8 at the moment for my preferences Jul 04 16:18:00 is it fairly easy? Jul 04 16:18:20 later lonestar Jul 04 16:18:35 it's not that difficult ;) Jul 04 16:18:48 well documented? Jul 04 16:18:53 I don't have the docs nearby Jul 04 16:20:28 yes, it's quite the same as in mojo Jul 04 16:20:58 I didn't use db8 in mojo.. so.. Jul 04 16:21:09 anyone in here use Villo? Jul 04 16:28:22 ME ME ME Jul 04 16:28:26 =D Jul 04 16:28:31 i'm making into my app Jul 04 16:28:36 64gig TP next month Jul 04 16:28:36 wtf Jul 04 16:28:59 we knew that though puff Jul 04 16:30:32 i saw pics of the white one a while ago Jul 04 16:30:41 didnt hear anything about it being 64gig and faster proc Jul 04 16:31:12 patrickc: what about the preferences in the enyo tutorial? Jul 04 16:34:17 PatrickC: pong Jul 04 16:34:44 i wonder if they are gonna drop the price of the 64gig Jul 04 16:34:50 i mean 32 Jul 04 16:34:58 or is the 64 gonna be 800 Jul 04 16:35:22 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pixi-Plus-Webos-Smartphone-for-Verizon/280628390997 - $40 VZW Pixi Jul 04 16:36:42 ergg: http://www.precentral.net/first-hp-touchpad-homebrew-patches-show-preware Jul 04 16:36:51 someone needs to have their background image stretch. Jul 04 16:37:27 Tibfib: how does spaz work with posterous? Jul 04 16:37:36 I don't know what posterous is. Jul 04 16:37:40 ok.. Jul 04 16:37:53 on their site they say that it works with Spaz for webOS Jul 04 16:37:53 lol @ catalog theme Jul 04 16:38:01 bbl Jul 04 16:38:07 oil: yeah Jul 04 16:38:48 "oh, this will make a good screenshot" haha Jul 04 16:39:26 tiles are sexy Jul 04 16:40:02 oh yes\ Jul 04 16:49:55 Tibfib: what happens if I cross launch Spaz but it's not installed? Jul 04 16:50:40 DISASTER Jul 04 16:50:48 nothing.. Jul 04 16:50:53 ah Jul 04 16:50:56 but you may want to put something in it to tell the user Jul 04 16:51:13 will do Jul 04 16:51:26 the same thing we do every night pinky Jul 04 16:51:30 TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! Jul 04 16:52:01 akanster: for touchpad, the id is com.funkatron.app.spaz-hd Jul 04 16:52:02 fyi. Jul 04 16:52:08 also, Prototype's form.request method is fantastically wonderful Jul 04 16:52:17 this is a nice function: http://webos101.com/Cross-App_Launching#For_Multiple_Version_of_Apps Jul 04 16:52:27 maik: oh? what is it? Jul 04 16:52:44 thanks Tibfib Jul 04 16:53:15 takes some form html and makes a new ajax.request object out of it Jul 04 16:53:23 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/287029-lag-whats-big-deal.html#post3017103 Jul 04 16:53:27 and you can pass in parameters and callbacks Jul 04 16:54:09 so i'm pulling a form out of some returned HTML that has a bunch of pre-filled data, then just doing form.request({ onSuccess: ... }) Jul 04 16:54:14 hotness Jul 04 16:55:20 nice Jul 04 16:56:11 whats up guys Jul 04 16:56:22 is it a common problem that enyo scrollers are not working with pre 2 ? Jul 04 16:56:24 i'm taking a break Jul 04 17:01:19 Happy Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum Day everybody! Jul 04 17:01:24 http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/hey-jude-flow-chart-20091029-133742.jpg Jul 04 17:01:56 oh man Jul 04 17:02:08 are they having a will smith marathon on TBS later? Jul 04 17:02:14 that will fulfill my life Jul 04 17:02:52 irobot, hancock, 7 pounds, men in black I && II, all movies i've never seen before Jul 04 17:03:12 pursuit of happyness? Jul 04 17:03:22 isn't that denzel washington Jul 04 17:03:25 no. Jul 04 17:03:37 oh yeah yup another one Jul 04 17:03:49 haha Jul 04 17:03:50 they could go on for 24 hours and never play the same movie Jul 04 17:03:58 confession: I haven't bought wIRC Jul 04 17:04:03 until 2 mins ago. Jul 04 17:04:09 MIB 3 should be coming out soon, right? Jul 04 17:04:15 no idea Jul 04 17:04:19 it's been like 10 years Jul 04 17:04:30 meh, wikipedia says next year Jul 04 17:04:40 wikipedia says a lot of things Jul 04 17:04:45 MIB II >> copyright 2002 Jul 04 17:05:22 fxspec06: is Wild Wild West part of that marathon? Jul 04 17:05:46 heh, that was so bad but I love it Jul 04 17:06:29 wiki wiki wild wiki wild wild wiki wild west Jul 04 17:09:16 underscore is awesome: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/ Jul 04 17:09:38 Whoo! Ha-ha! I respect women when I'm on a date, I take 'em to the park or maybe a museum, And I only try to kiss 'em if they're ready, Whoo-hoo! What, what, what, a-what? I say what, what? Help out your mom and dad by getting a job, So you can help pay for school supplies, Whoo-hoo! Say-ho! Wipe your shoes on the mat when you come in the house, Someone just cleaned that floor, Whoo-hoo! Say Jul 04 17:09:38 what, what? Ha-ha! Jul 04 17:11:32 lol Jul 04 17:11:39 is that from Family guy? Jul 04 17:15:18 lol yeah Jul 04 17:27:03 wow. Jul 04 17:27:14 omg did anyone see the national anthem at fenway park Jul 04 17:27:22 What happened? Jul 04 17:27:57 i've never heard it sang that way before Jul 04 17:28:02 by who? Jul 04 17:28:03 the army sang Jul 04 17:28:14 in four part harmony Jul 04 17:28:22 then fly by.. Jul 04 17:28:40 it was different harmonies than i've ever heard before though Jul 04 17:28:44 http://redsox.fansonly.info/red-sox-opening-day-2011-national-anthem-and-f-16-fly-over/ Jul 04 17:29:20 it's already up?! Jul 04 17:29:20 twbbas: you said you worked on the Differences game? Jul 04 17:29:30 Flashpass: Yep Jul 04 17:29:45 Flashpass: Got some feedback? Jul 04 17:30:23 twbbas: yes actually :) Jul 04 17:30:34 Flashpass: Hit me ;) Jul 04 17:31:30 twbbas: firstly, the game works really well, most of the time those games don't stump me but this had some tough ones haha - my gf's niece just sat and played it for hours so it's really awesome Jul 04 17:32:02 Flashpass: ooo I like :D. My brother actually does all the photoshopping. I just do the code Jul 04 17:32:10 twbbas: wondering, have you played or referenced in any way the photo hunt game? Jul 04 17:32:20 Flashpass: Nope. Is that another app? Jul 04 17:32:52 twbbas: no no, it's a super popular version of the same thing for arcade machines, often in those counter top ones Jul 04 17:33:15 twbbas: and people LOVE that game, there are like 100 games and thats all I see people playing Jul 04 17:33:27 Wow Jul 04 17:33:42 We're hoping ours will be super popular. Jul 04 17:33:56 twbbas: the reason I bring it up is I think you could borrow a few ideas from it that make it more fun and challenging for adults Jul 04 17:34:16 Ok. I'll check it out online. What types of features would you like? Jul 04 17:34:28 like right now it's really casual, and kind of misses the really addictive quality Jul 04 17:34:30 FYI: We're working on a timed/scored mode right now. Jul 04 17:34:46 yes Jul 04 17:34:58 Yeah, we wanted to make it a real casual game but my brother thinks that people would really like a scoring mode with a timer Jul 04 17:35:01 the timer is one big thing so its like a challenge Jul 04 17:35:06 So, we'll offer both modes Jul 04 17:35:17 We are also working on a leaderboard with that gamemode Jul 04 17:35:57 Thanks for the tips. The update should be out later this week with that mode. An update will be submitted today for some bug fixes. Jul 04 17:36:17 there are also just some times where its incredibly hard for someone to find one particular difference, instead of a hint they have a 3 strikes thing that just find a difference for them Jul 04 17:36:41 that will probably be helpful in a timed mode Jul 04 17:36:41 So after 3 strikes, it just finds all the differences? Jul 04 17:36:57 not quite, its like you have 3 freebies Jul 04 17:37:10 ohhh Jul 04 17:37:14 ooo that's a good ide Jul 04 17:37:15 so the timer gets a little faster in each level Jul 04 17:37:17 idea* Jul 04 17:37:41 and you want to get the high score, so you choose to save your freebies for the fast rounds haha Jul 04 17:37:47 haha Jul 04 17:38:22 One thing we might do is limit the scoring to the first time you play the level. This will prevent people from replaying a level and finding all 4 differences real quick because they know where they are. What are your thoughts on that? Jul 04 17:38:58 so if you had a header, and you wanted it to contain two controls - one on the extreme left, and one on the right, how would you do that? with two HFlexBoxes one packed left and one packed right? or could you just have one HFlexBox and tell each control to pack in a different direction? Jul 04 17:39:23 zylogz80: Have you tried using spacers? Jul 04 17:39:34 twbbas, is there an enyo.Spacer? Jul 04 17:39:35 * zylogz80 looks Jul 04 17:39:40 * twbbas looks up his code Jul 04 17:39:56 {kind: "Spacer", flex: 2} Jul 04 17:40:10 there sure is Jul 04 17:40:11 It can be any number flex. Bigger number = bigger space Jul 04 17:40:14 twbbas, thaks Jul 04 17:40:19 yeah the one thing the arcade has that is usually a problem for others is a pretty huge repo of photoshopped images, and even if you see the same image again it likely has different photoshopped parts Jul 04 17:40:19 No problem Jul 04 17:41:04 and they randomize it so its never the same order Jul 04 17:41:05 Flashpass: Yeah. Unfortunately we only have 1 man doing the photoshopping and he said it's pretty hard to find more than 4 things to change per image. We're just going to keep adding more stage packs into the game. Jul 04 17:41:20 He's working on both a Kids pack and an Expert pack. Jul 04 17:41:34 yeah would be cool Jul 04 17:41:52 I just wish HP would have reviewed our in app purchase item that same time as the app :( Jul 04 17:41:54 but if you have the stages idea, people would find 3 in the first level, fail, repeat and select all 3 again Jul 04 17:41:58 Right now, stages 3-7 are unavilable Jul 04 17:42:05 so maybe a randomize thing would be better so they sort of forget Jul 04 17:42:43 Yeah. We've thought about that a lot. We'll look into it some more. Jul 04 17:42:49 yeah that was too bad, her niece finished them all and wanted to play more haha Jul 04 17:42:57 The strikes are there only to prevent people from tapping a million times on the screen Jul 04 17:43:06 haha that's awesome Jul 04 17:43:08 oh yeah, those should stay for sure Jul 04 17:43:26 Stages 3-7 will be sold for $2.49 when they get approved Jul 04 17:43:32 each or total? Jul 04 17:43:33 It's like 80+ levels or something Jul 04 17:43:36 oh no, total Jul 04 17:43:49 sweet, i'll probably buy Jul 04 17:43:53 Awesome Jul 04 17:44:02 We plan on keeping it about $0.50 per stage (16 levels) Jul 04 17:44:09 * Tibfib is thinking about making an rss reader. Jul 04 17:44:11 for future stage packs Jul 04 17:44:43 Tibfib: You really should. There's only Mosaic in the catalog right now. Jul 04 17:44:50 and I'm not really a fan of that design Jul 04 17:45:02 I wasn't super psyched about it in the browser version Jul 04 17:45:26 I want something to read my Google Reader. The website for it doesn't scroll well on the TouchPad. Jul 04 17:45:27 If I can focus on UI design and nothing else, I may do it. Jul 04 17:45:53 I'd like to support google reader Jul 04 17:45:59 I'm really surprised there was only Mosaic at launch. Jul 04 17:46:02 but I don't think I would make it support both. Jul 04 17:46:05 I mean, the enyo tutorial is an RSS reader.... Jul 04 17:46:17 twbbas: another thing that would be nice, is some audio :) much more gratifying when you find things and hear a chime, or win and here a quick little sound clip, etc Jul 04 17:46:28 twbbas: where is that tutorial? Jul 04 17:46:32 Flashpass: Oh yeah. That's coming in our update that adds the game modes ;) Jul 04 17:47:03 Tibfib: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial.html Jul 04 17:47:14 twbbas: sweet! Jul 04 17:47:25 twbbas: is there a zip of it anywhere? Jul 04 17:47:52 twbbas: if you need any beta testers let me know ;) I've played a heck of a lot of that game hah Jul 04 17:47:57 Tibfib: Not that I know of Jul 04 17:48:03 mmkay, thank you! Jul 04 17:48:13 Flashpass: Haha, ok. Will do. Jul 04 17:48:35 * twbbas wishes there were promo codes for in-app-purchases Jul 04 17:48:48 that would be col Jul 04 17:49:09 btw, do you or anyone else happen to know where in the docs to look if I want to run a bit of code once daily? Jul 04 17:49:18 hmmm, I need a touchpad to figure out the best possible ux Jul 04 17:49:23 Flashpass: mojo or enyo? Jul 04 17:49:27 enyo Jul 04 17:49:32 :/ Jul 04 17:49:33 don't know Jul 04 17:49:34 haha Jul 04 17:49:38 Mojo has alarms Jul 04 17:49:41 found the mojo alarm stuff Jul 04 17:49:47 but I don't know if the alarms are in enyo. Jul 04 17:49:52 are they just service requests? Jul 04 17:49:58 surely alarms are a service? Jul 04 17:49:58 they might still be there Jul 04 17:49:59 That's where I'm looking Jul 04 17:50:04 well there are plenty of apps that check feeds and what not periodically Jul 04 17:50:11 also, hai guys :P Jul 04 17:50:15 haha, hey Jul 04 17:53:05 anyone know of a simple javascript google reader api library? Jul 04 17:54:36 As far as I know, there actually isn't any Google Reader API, unless that's changed since I last heard Jul 04 17:54:49 Xuzz: Hey, I dl'd paste the other day and it didn't work on my pre2 Jul 04 17:54:57 Popple3: yeah Jul 04 17:55:12 But people have reverese-engineered one Jul 04 17:55:15 fxspec06: Hey, do you have another link for the win95 ipk by any chance? ;) Jul 04 17:55:40 I'm not going to spend the time to get it working hacking at the urls. Jul 04 17:55:47 If there was a library, I would totally do that. Jul 04 17:57:44 hey nutty Jul 04 17:57:45 uhm Jul 04 17:57:51 the IPK is Jul 04 17:57:56 in the P|C post Jul 04 17:58:02 Tibfib: This seems to be a pretty comprehensive breakdown of the API: http://blog.martindoms.com/2009/08/15/using-the-google-reader-api-part-1/ Jul 04 17:58:22 haah I just found that link Jul 04 17:58:29 I was really hoping to find a library. Jul 04 17:58:40 hrm. Jul 04 17:58:42 yeah Jul 04 17:58:46 start an open source one? Jul 04 17:58:57 maybe Jul 04 17:58:58 NuttyBunny: the one in the megaupload .7z doesn't work Jul 04 17:59:26 Or closed source and reap the benefits :P Jul 04 17:59:41 no Jul 04 17:59:45 it would be open source Jul 04 18:00:01 I knew you'd say that :P Jul 04 18:00:17 I'd be happy to contribute whenever I can anyway Jul 04 18:00:24 I'd want others to help Jul 04 18:00:43 Popple3: that'd be sweet Jul 04 18:00:51 I'm just trying to figure out if I want to do it Jul 04 18:00:55 and if I want to support google reader. Jul 04 18:01:11 I'd like to support both Jul 04 18:01:11 http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2007/04/google-feed-api-json.html Jul 04 18:01:25 Tibfib: Well, if you don't, I may very well take up the torch Jul 04 18:01:27 Make it very abstracted and not dependent on google reader Jul 04 18:02:19 hmmm, random thought Jul 04 18:02:36 what do people think of having a google reader client similar to Spaz HD columns? Jul 04 18:02:47 I think it'd be weird. but perhaps it would work well. Jul 04 18:03:18 * Popple3 needs a TouchPad, like, yesterday :P Jul 04 18:03:36 me too :( Jul 04 18:04:04 No, I don't want a spaz hd style ui Jul 04 18:04:06 damn 4th of july postponing dev discount responses by a whole day :( Jul 04 18:04:07 hrmmmmm Jul 04 18:04:12 NO KIDDING Jul 04 18:04:16 SELFISH AMERICAN JERKS Jul 04 18:04:19 Tibfib, I think with the extra space afforded by the TP it'd be good to essentially just replicate google reader's layout but in enyo - labels and sources on the left, nice big content area on the right, and application house keeping on the top. I don't think a multi column layout would translate well to feed reading Jul 04 18:04:39 Tibfib: what zylogz80 said Jul 04 18:04:44 zylogz80: yeah multi-column is bad :) Jul 04 18:05:02 thing is, I've never really liked the google reader website Jul 04 18:05:04 so I don't use it. Jul 04 18:05:05 Tibfib, well it's cool in limited scenarios - it has to be short content though Jul 04 18:05:20 Tibfib, that's the thing the layout but with enyo style and controls would be badass Jul 04 18:05:39 zylogz80: oh yess, I (with Ed) chose that UI for spaz Jul 04 18:05:59 Tibfib, google reader is cluttered and ugly but the core layout is good - take that and bring a sane design do it and it's be a great app Jul 04 18:06:25 hmmmm Jul 04 18:06:33 Can't wait for Google Reader to get it's new design in line with everything else Jul 04 18:07:25 I've actually been using google reader via the browser on my TP as opposed to a fead reader app :) but I'd switch to something enyo style in a heartbeat Jul 04 18:07:52 * Tibfib gets out a piece of paper and pencil Jul 04 18:07:57 i'd considered doing a google reader app but I decided to tackle a reddit client instead Jul 04 18:08:52 zylogz80: still want to? Jul 04 18:09:02 I would love to do it with others Jul 04 18:09:11 I really just want to focus on the UI Jul 04 18:09:15 Tibfib, I'm still working on my reddit client - but maybe after I have that in decent shape I could contribute Jul 04 18:09:27 sure Jul 04 18:09:39 Tibfib, with how rapid enyo development is I'd say that's around next weeked :P Jul 04 18:09:46 heh no kidding Jul 04 18:10:18 whatever happened to the digg client, anyone knows? Jul 04 18:10:33 everyone who writes code left for reddit? Jul 04 18:10:42 :P Jul 04 18:11:13 hehehe Jul 04 18:12:36 I wanna do a Google+ client when the API comes out, but I have a feeling I won't be the only one with that idea :P Jul 04 18:12:45 heh probably not Jul 04 18:14:57 * fxspec06 DIGG > reddit Jul 04 18:15:54 Popple3: do it anyway, just make it awesome :) Jul 04 18:16:22 the effort of it all :P Jul 04 18:19:54 argg I need a touchpad to design this Jul 04 18:21:10 Tibfib: I need a touchpad to test this :@ Jul 04 18:21:23 heh Jul 04 18:21:25 gestures on a sloooow emulator doesn't cut it Jul 04 18:21:41 and I'll never be able to test 3 finger gestures :@ Jul 04 18:22:08 i need a touchpad to port this o.O Jul 04 18:22:11 and my app doesn't work on my phone, keeps complaining something about a keyboard in the logs Jul 04 18:22:19 I need a TouchPad in general :P Jul 04 18:22:47 * fxspec06 needs a touchpad to throw at john lackey Jul 04 18:22:59 how many feeds do you all have in rss? Jul 04 18:23:17 do you categorize them? and read them seperately? Jul 04 18:23:18 71 Jul 04 18:23:27 a lot of those are probably dead though Jul 04 18:23:32 sheesh Jul 04 18:23:34 or I just skim though Jul 04 18:23:50 I see you are a "google" reader Jul 04 18:23:54 in fact, looking at the list, a lot of them are either dead, or very rarely posted to Jul 04 18:23:57 I honestly am not a fan Jul 04 18:24:01 I like newsroom's ui Jul 04 18:24:07 I want to read a specific, then the next feed Jul 04 18:24:30 Really, of ones I properly read, probably about 10 Jul 04 18:24:45 hmm anyone else? Jul 04 18:25:03 thanks Popple3 Jul 04 18:26:29 I bundle random stuff like xkcd, cyanide & happiness, the onion, etc. into a Random folder, then I have a development folder, personal folder, news folder (which is stuff I skim through) and then a few feeds separate to that Jul 04 18:26:56 speaking of google+, I like how it sends these emails telling me all these things I could do, but oops, sorry, you can't use your invitation yet Jul 04 18:27:11 lol Jul 04 18:27:20 everyone I've invited has gotten in O.o Jul 04 18:27:53 also, I noticed on an iphone it tells my friend he needs an invite Jul 04 18:28:09 on my pre2, it tells me I need to be using a desktop browser to sign up Jul 04 18:28:33 so I guess the user-agent detection there needs a little work Jul 04 18:28:48 Popple3: do you read your feeds all at the same time or read them by category? Jul 04 18:29:11 Tibfib: By category (or the individual uncatagorised feeds Jul 04 18:29:13 ) Jul 04 18:29:23 well, it's either that, or it'd let me sign up if only the invitation was sent to my @gmail address instead of my other email address.... Jul 04 18:29:36 Popple3: gotcha Jul 04 18:29:45 I think I'm going to make an RSS Survey in gdocs and ask peeps Jul 04 18:30:05 dwc-: Yeah, there's no Google Apps account support at the moment, but it's being worked on Jul 04 18:30:52 oh, neither of them are a google Apps accounts Jul 04 18:31:17 but, my work uses apps, so I know already how apps accounts don't work on a lot of things (groups, etc) Jul 04 18:31:42 dwc-: Yeah. Profiles, Google+ and +1 are supposed to be coming soon though Jul 04 18:32:12 I'm hoping they'll let me move over my profile and Google+ to my GApps account when they launch, otherwise I'll go mad Jul 04 18:32:46 There's a good enyo API reference but is there a reference for the available CSS clases? a list of default classes like enyo-button-dark etc. Jul 04 18:34:44 derp, I got a Magic Trackpad today, I keep going to grab it and move it Jul 04 18:34:44 lol Jul 04 18:35:53 Hmmmm... App Catalog seems to be broken (at least the web front end) Jul 04 18:41:45 how do I display a ModalDialog? Jul 04 18:42:10 Popple3, I take that as a good sign (a new one may be coming= Jul 04 18:42:12 setShowing? Jul 04 18:42:30 this.$.modalDialogName.showAtCenter() Jul 04 18:42:32 or something like that Jul 04 18:42:50 phoque_uni: I can only hope so, one that removes carrier restrictions across all devices Jul 04 18:43:09 Popple3, I hope for a more appealing web frontend :-D Jul 04 18:43:18 phoque_uni: LET ME HAVE MY DREAM Jul 04 18:43:19 lol Jul 04 18:43:24 * Popple3 calms down Jul 04 18:43:33 ah, got it. openAtCenter Jul 04 18:43:48 phoque_uni: but yes, more appealing web front end would be awesome Jul 04 18:48:50 Found this by accident.... select some text in Notepad++, hit Ctrl+D and you get a duplicate :) Jul 04 18:49:26 Hey folks! I have a quick survey for you. If you could complete it, that would be awesome! Jul 04 18:49:26 https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dG41ZlVKVTlfYUMyT1BxbUU4ZU93bEE6MQ Jul 04 18:49:34 when you're launched with an alarm, how do you get the argument to know it was the alarm that launched you? Jul 04 18:50:34 Tibfib: done :) Jul 04 18:51:17 thank you! Jul 04 18:55:50 hiya Jul 04 18:56:53 total n00b question from someone who just started this WebOS thing: does OSX Lion (and thus XCode 4) break the install? - saw some forum posts that confirm this. Just want to be sure. Jul 04 18:58:57 sheesh, everyone has 25+ feeds Jul 04 18:58:59 :O Jul 04 19:04:22 how do I set the header of a ModalDialog? Jul 04 19:04:35 setContent and setCaption don't work Jul 04 19:05:06 akanster: it's supposed to be caption Jul 04 19:05:19 according to the docs Jul 04 19:06:33 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'setContent' of undefined <- I get this Jul 04 19:06:48 then it's not your function that is having issues Jul 04 19:06:56 it's your reference to the kind Jul 04 19:10:16 hello peeps Jul 04 19:11:14 can someone please say i'm stupid Jul 04 19:11:34 it would really make me feel better right now. Jul 04 19:12:46 Tibfib: looks like I had to open the dialog first before trying to change it's contents Jul 04 19:12:53 works not Jul 04 19:13:01 now* Jul 04 19:13:05 can't you do {kind: "ModalDialog", caption: "HELLO"} Jul 04 19:13:07 ? Jul 04 19:14:40 in my app, the caption wil change depending on what launches it :) Jul 04 19:15:27 akanster, try "lazy: false" Jul 04 19:16:44 oh, modalDialogs are lazily created? Jul 04 19:16:47 makes sense now Jul 04 19:16:56 I think they are Jul 04 19:17:06 heh, that works too! Jul 04 19:17:11 I am not sure if it's recommended to make them "not-lazy" though Jul 04 19:20:30 anyone know how you read the arguments passed to your application when launched? Jul 04 19:20:34 hey uhm so anyone have any ideas as to why this one div is appearing underneath all other divs Jul 04 19:20:48 so... my local walmart does have touchpads, but because they don't have a cabinet to put the display in, it's not out yet Jul 04 19:20:50 even though it's last in my list Jul 04 19:20:57 in .html Jul 04 19:21:23 RagingMind: booo Jul 04 19:22:32 she did let met hold the display unit. she had to cut the tape on the box and take it out Jul 04 19:23:03 hey Jul 04 19:23:13 anyone here having experiences adsense? Jul 04 19:23:19 *ed Jul 04 19:25:50 edsense? Jul 04 19:26:01 * Tibfib_ jokes Jul 04 19:26:03 bbl Jul 04 19:26:07 ? Jul 04 19:26:32 Sinead: I think the AdSense Ts&Cs prohibit their use in mobile apps Jul 04 19:26:36 You have to use AdMob instead Jul 04 19:27:34 owwkk Jul 04 19:27:38 thanks for tellling Jul 04 19:31:00 is the id "clearGame" or "welcome" part of DOM anyone -.- Jul 04 19:38:10 ugh i can't figure out why this div won't show on top. Jul 04 19:38:22 i have a zillion divs in my app and this one is on the bottom. w t f Jul 04 19:38:25 fxspec06: z-index ? Jul 04 19:38:31 what's that Jul 04 19:39:09 It's a CSS thing, for any absolute, relative or fixed position div, z-index lets you set the level it appears when rendered Jul 04 19:39:18 hmm Jul 04 19:39:26 so z-index = 0 would be on top Jul 04 19:39:27 so z-index: 10; will appear above z-index: 9; and below z-index: 11; Jul 04 19:39:34 ohh okay Jul 04 19:39:37 leme try that Jul 04 19:40:42 nope Jul 04 19:40:50 there's gotta be a problem somewhere else Jul 04 19:40:51 >.> Jul 04 19:41:16 fxspec06: This in Mojo, yeah? Jul 04 19:41:25 yeah Jul 04 19:41:26 How did you try setting the z-index? Jul 04 19:41:57 i have like 30 things that start hidden. i put in newest one today. if i move the new one up to before the old ones, anything after it is messed up in subsequent scenes Jul 04 19:42:15 z-index: 1; Jul 04 19:42:18 i tried 11 also Jul 04 19:42:55 default is zero right Jul 04 19:43:12 like,
Jul 04 19:43:17 default is 1 I think Jul 04 19:43:23 i did in my CSS Jul 04 19:43:30 oh right, fair enough Jul 04 19:44:55 i'll do pastebin in a min h.o Jul 04 19:45:00 m'kay Jul 04 19:45:23 you have to specify the position as well w/z-index Jul 04 19:45:31 hmm. i did workaround wrapper and it's now on top Jul 04 19:46:01 weird Jul 04 19:46:06 z-index: 11; position: relative; top:0px; left:0px; Jul 04 19:46:24 No need for the top and left though Jul 04 19:46:32 just position: relative; should be enough Jul 04 19:46:33 Popple3: true Jul 04 19:46:40 all the others work fine though! i did them all the same way Jul 04 19:46:46 that's what boggles me Jul 04 19:46:49 NuttyBunny: Also, 0 values shouldn't have a measure, just be 0 :P Jul 04 19:46:52 relative worked Jul 04 19:46:55 *a unit Jul 04 19:46:55 relative fixed it Jul 04 19:47:00 w/o the wrapper Jul 04 19:47:46 Popple3: when it's 0 maybe, but with any other number I had to specify px :( Jul 04 19:48:12 NuttyBunny: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, 0 is supposed to specified without px/em/%/pt Jul 04 19:48:16 damn. i wonder why absolute was weird that one time Jul 04 19:48:20 it works anyway, but :P Jul 04 19:48:28 i always try to give CSS as much info as possible in webos Jul 04 19:49:35 thanks guys. no need for z-index or anything else =) happy camper Jul 04 19:52:12 http://www.hipsterorhomeless.com/ -- haha! Jul 04 19:59:35 WASSUP webOS Comrades? Happy 4th! Jul 04 20:01:24 you got a pre 2 now? Jul 04 20:02:04 or maybe a 2nd pre. Jul 04 20:02:23 that would be 2pre Jul 04 20:03:08 I've had this Pre2 since March Jul 04 20:03:12 on VZW Jul 04 20:03:25 well, IGNTNUNLMTD|Pre and IGNTNUNLMTD|Pre2 Jul 04 20:03:40 ? Jul 04 20:03:44 ohh those are your phone profiles Jul 04 20:03:49 phone IRC Jul 04 20:03:50 names Jul 04 20:04:32 yeah. On Mac on Textual IRC I'm IGNTNUNLMTD Jul 04 20:04:51 on wIRC on my Pre 2 I'm this Jul 04 20:05:07 lol Jul 04 20:05:30 I just use a bouncer so I'm always Popple3 :P Jul 04 20:05:59 fxspec06: I'm 5 miles due east of Boston right now Jul 04 20:06:22 that would be ... in the water? Jul 04 20:06:26 sweet Jul 04 20:06:40 my dad drives for knights limo.. he goes there every day Jul 04 20:06:52 dwc-: Yes. Jul 04 20:07:52 it's a good thing you didn't go to the sox game 2day Jul 04 20:09:25 Are there mousewheelup and mousewheeldown events in the webOS webkit? Jul 04 20:10:11 NuttyBunny: One way to find out ;) Jul 04 20:10:53 Popple3: Yep, that's what I'm looking into :D Jul 04 20:11:08 I'm sick of needing to boot the emu just to scale things :@ Jul 04 20:11:33 why, though? Jul 04 20:11:46 are you looking for mousewheelup and down specifically, or would mose a general scroll event be ok for you? (you could calculate the direction) Jul 04 20:13:07 no, no, just for use in the browser, to simulate pinch+zoom Jul 04 20:13:35 I can simulate pinch+zoom on the emu, and I need to test in the browser as well, and I think the best way would be using the mouse wheek Jul 04 20:13:37 l Jul 04 20:14:18 ah, ok, so you could probably use onscroll and use a variable in the event (can't remember the name), if it's negative, you're going up, otherwise, you're going down Jul 04 20:14:33 oh wait Jul 04 20:14:43 you need to be able to scroll Jul 04 20:14:44 lol Jul 04 20:15:03 If there are additional DOM events (e.g., onmousewheel) that you want Enyo to handle, do the following: document.onmousewheel = enyo.dispatch; Jul 04 20:15:03 NuttyBunny: OH! you mean clicking the mousewheel? Jul 04 20:15:16 yep!! Use the mousewheel to simulate zoom in-out Jul 04 20:15:24 ah, ok, was getting a bit confused Jul 04 20:15:24 lol Jul 04 20:15:36 * NuttyBunny goes into code mode, hoping it works :) Jul 04 20:15:58 I think you can use onmousedown and there's a variable in the event with a button number Jul 04 20:16:25 I recall using that for something recently.... Jul 04 20:16:51 Either that or I'm going crazy O.o Jul 04 20:22:17 Yeah, it could be like that Jul 04 20:32:46 irc hijack! Jul 04 20:35:24 Repost! Jul 04 20:35:32 https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dG41ZlVKVTlfYUMyT1BxbUU4ZU93bEE6MQ Jul 04 20:35:43 Hey folks! I have a quick survey for you. If you could complete it, that would be awesome! Jul 04 20:35:51 * Popple3 fills out form coz he's a drone Jul 04 20:35:51 tib, i'll do it later Jul 04 20:35:52 remind me Jul 04 20:36:00 *fills out form again Jul 04 20:36:01 derp Jul 04 20:36:10 fxspec06: it takes 3 mins Jul 04 20:36:14 maximum. Jul 04 20:36:28 Tibfib: Don't worry, I'm not actually skewing your results :P Jul 04 20:36:32 :) Jul 04 20:36:41 lol Jul 04 20:36:42 i bet Jul 04 20:36:58 i'm trying to impliment this new thing before 5:30 Jul 04 20:37:13 fxspec06: seriously. there are 4 multiple choice questions. Jul 04 20:37:18 lol Jul 04 20:37:21 i'll do it later Jul 04 20:37:24 If it takes longer than 3 mins, there's something wrong with you :) Jul 04 20:37:30 Tibfib: One of which _might_ take a quick lookup Jul 04 20:37:40 hah Jul 04 20:38:15 Popple3: Yeeeah! :D - on InitComponents: document.onmousewheel = enyo.dispatch; , on the kind definition, onmousewheel, and in the inEvent object you get a wheelDelta which is positive or negative depending on the movement :D Jul 04 20:38:30 looks like it would HAVE to support google reader to get traction Jul 04 20:38:36 Also, most peeps have > 25 feeds Jul 04 20:38:38 surprising to me Jul 04 20:39:02 Tibfib: Keep in mind, I only have maybe 10 active feeds, while others are like a post every week or two Jul 04 20:39:08 others are probably the same Jul 04 20:39:16 true Jul 04 20:39:20 but they will still be there Jul 04 20:39:22 but still Jul 04 20:39:23 yeah Jul 04 20:39:25 gah screw it Jul 04 20:39:30 i won't finish today Jul 04 20:39:36 i'm a born procrastinator Jul 04 20:39:40 Popple3: You're right. that's good to keep in mind Jul 04 20:39:44 fxspec06: Don't give up! You can do eeeeet! Jul 04 20:39:52 fxspec06 fxspec06 fxspec06! Jul 04 20:39:53 NuttyBunny: awesomesauce Jul 04 20:39:53 go go go! Jul 04 20:39:59 lol Jul 04 20:40:06 NuttyBunny: hmm? Jul 04 20:40:10 spaz hd has mousewheel support Jul 04 20:40:12 see the source Jul 04 20:40:12 i'm goin to fill out your form Jul 04 20:40:19 Thanks! Jul 04 20:41:15 It seems most peeps have 1-5 feeds, or >25 Jul 04 20:41:16 Tibfib: Too late ;) hehehe... I'm almost set, I just need to create a directory for downloads (I'm assuming using download manager), and check why the screencapture is not working anymore and I'll be set :D Jul 04 20:41:29 NuttyBunny: whatcha working on? Jul 04 20:43:35 can't decide if I want a standard enyo UI or something special for an rss reader Jul 04 20:44:04 ooh Jul 04 20:44:10 I've got a good idea Jul 04 20:44:15 BOTH Jul 04 20:44:16 Tibfib: photo fun app, fast unlike photofunia, all rendered by the browser Jul 04 20:44:16 :) Jul 04 20:44:25 nice! Jul 04 20:45:03 time to make another mockup\ Jul 04 20:45:20 omg i feel like i just failed a test =( Jul 04 20:45:35 j/k Jul 04 20:45:54 heh :) Jul 04 21:01:35 [01:56 PM] [17:51:09] Xuzz: Hey, I dl'd paste the other day and it didn't work on my pre2 Jul 04 21:01:36 weird Jul 04 21:01:42 I'll try on mine today, see what's up. Jul 04 21:01:57 Xuzz: another reviewer had the issue Jul 04 21:02:09 says it failed to push the template for the main-scene Jul 04 21:02:31 weird, I'll look, maybe i didn't fully convert it Jul 04 21:02:50 probably a javascript path error Jul 04 21:02:55 yeah probably Jul 04 21:05:42 hmmm, for people that use google reader, do you follow people and so forth? Jul 04 21:09:23 Tibfib: I used to, but not anymore Jul 04 21:09:45 just get shared stuff through Facebook/Twitter/G+ these days Jul 04 21:10:38 mmkay Jul 04 21:18:29 Anyone knows what happens if I set a nonexistant directory as a target for a download manager-downloaded file? Does it create the directory? Jul 04 21:19:33 NuttyBunny: I'm pretty sure it created the directory Jul 04 21:19:47 creates* Jul 04 21:21:22 Ok, 'cause it's the last thing I need to do here. :D Jul 04 22:20:22 how's everyone's 4th? Jul 04 22:20:29 hmmm, any recommendations for a simple js library that includes ajax requests? Jul 04 22:20:34 don't want to use jquery or prototyep Jul 04 22:21:25 Tibfib: why not just use XMLHttpRequest? Jul 04 22:21:39 I could, but it's just easier not to :) Jul 04 22:21:57 make your own quick wrapper so Jul 04 22:22:05 simples :P Jul 04 22:22:23 tada http://www.ajaxtoolbox.com/ Jul 04 22:22:26 maybe I'll use that Jul 04 22:22:38 lazy bastard :P Jul 04 22:22:55 <-- smart Jul 04 22:23:04 and I don't want to waste time doing that Jul 04 22:23:07 why reinvent the wheel Jul 04 22:23:17 * Popple3 uses XMLHttpRequest coz he's hardcore :P Jul 04 22:24:35 i reinvent the wheel all the time Jul 04 22:24:59 screw the wheel. i use ellipses Jul 04 22:25:07 * fxspec06 uses ellipses Jul 04 22:25:46 * Popple3 uses Icosagons Jul 04 22:27:12 * Tibfib was thinking ... and was confused. Jul 04 22:30:02 Heh, Palm just accidentally retweeted about Postie for the second time. Think they thought it was a different Posterous app, but someone was just mentioning it to someone else (who does a posterous app for Android) Jul 04 22:30:02 (well, I assume it was an accident Jul 04 22:30:02 ) Jul 04 22:31:21 subliminal message.. they want you to make a better app Jul 04 22:31:40 lol Jul 04 22:31:52 Average rating of 3 stars is already telling me that :( Jul 04 22:32:34 that's preposterous! Jul 04 22:32:55 ............. Jul 04 22:32:58 * Popple3 facepalm Jul 04 22:32:59 idk Jul 04 22:33:00 lol Jul 04 22:33:01 lol Jul 04 22:33:54 web interface really needs the actual reviews there too.... Jul 04 22:37:32 Tibfib: looks like you can't put a mojo app inside mojo/, only in app/ Jul 04 22:37:37 fixed and am submitting a new version Jul 04 22:37:47 oh weird Jul 04 22:37:54 Xuzz: good to hear! Jul 04 22:37:55 thanks! Jul 04 22:37:56 Xuzz: That'd be it. Mojo is picky about file layouts Jul 04 22:38:14 Enyo got rid of that coz people didn't like it Jul 04 22:38:24 only wish I could change the identifier from com.xuzzproductions.paste-webos to com.xuzzproductions.webos.paste, but meh Jul 04 22:39:00 Popple3: yeah; I moved enyo into enyo/ so I just assumed I could move mojo Jul 04 22:39:59 Ohhh that makes complete sense Jul 04 22:40:11 all templates are taken from the "app" folder in the root Jul 04 22:40:25 forgot about that Jul 04 22:48:17 * fxspec06 finally did something right for once Jul 04 22:49:28 fxspec06: Wooooo! I'm sure it's not the _first_ time Jul 04 22:50:00 lol Jul 04 22:50:50 well it's just when you're trying to put a whole new system into something that works. and you spend like all day doing it. and like, one tiny thing is wrong. it's hard finding out what it is. Jul 04 22:51:48 fxspec06: I've been there many many times Jul 04 22:51:56 lol like every day. Jul 04 22:52:14 whoa! Jul 04 22:52:20 logging into google read worked on the first time Jul 04 22:52:22 HOLY CRAP Jul 04 22:52:25 :O Jul 04 22:52:26 nothing ever works on the first time. Jul 04 22:52:31 not nothing Jul 04 22:52:34 most nothing Jul 04 22:52:48 NO NOTHING Jul 04 22:52:54 a lot of the times though if it works the first time, it really doesn't and you're just lying Jul 04 22:52:55 lol Jul 04 22:53:09 no, I'm 99% sure it works Jul 04 22:53:18 I'm very pleased with myself :D Jul 04 22:53:30 or rather, with google Jul 04 22:53:34 for making it simple Jul 04 22:53:41 * fxspec06 is happy for tibfib Jul 04 22:58:40 Are cookies backed up with the user's Palm Profile? Jul 04 22:59:50 oh how i wish they were in mojo Jul 04 22:59:51 nope Jul 04 22:59:58 that's LUDACRIS Jul 04 23:00:11 Move B*tch, get out the way! Jul 04 23:00:19 lol Jul 04 23:00:31 LUDACRIS SPEEEEEEED Jul 04 23:04:25 what other choices do I have Tibfib? Jul 04 23:04:32 just db8? Jul 04 23:04:35 akanster: for what? Jul 04 23:04:40 for synced storage? Jul 04 23:04:44 yeah Jul 04 23:04:50 db8 I think Jul 04 23:05:07 s/db8/db8 is it,/ Jul 04 23:07:51 thanks Jul 04 23:08:06 ^ this guy's connection sucks Jul 04 23:08:36 lolllll Jul 04 23:14:23 ^ that guy's L key is sticky Jul 04 23:14:32 :P Jul 04 23:14:47 kinda pointing at the wrong person, but you get the idea Jul 04 23:24:31 ah finally.. got freshInstall and upgrade support. Jul 04 23:24:34 woooooooo Jul 04 23:25:10 and mr lama is still crappy connection Jul 04 23:57:43 bye guys Jul 04 23:57:50 * fxspec06 leaving for fourht of july partyyyyyyyy Jul 05 00:00:44 5 de mayo Jul 05 00:00:45 ;) Jul 05 00:12:18 * haeffb isn't the only one with SQLite database loss problems on touchpad... Jul 05 00:12:27 oh? Jul 05 00:13:13 ooooooohhhh? Jul 05 00:13:48 haeffb: what's the symptoms? Jul 05 00:14:53 app creates a new database on launch, abandoning existing Jul 05 00:15:05 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15925&p=80261#p80261 Jul 05 00:15:27 I'd seen it happen rarely in mojo apps. Jul 05 00:15:35 but it seems to be more common on the TP Jul 05 00:18:52 the data is still there, the app just for whatever reason can't see it and creates a new empty database Jul 05 00:31:29 how's wirc on battery life gentlemen Jul 05 00:33:32 nice Jul 05 00:34:11 are variables, arrays, etc defined in the kind constructor global in scope to all functions within the kind? Jul 05 00:34:57 zylogz80: yep Jul 05 00:35:08 well, not global.. Jul 05 00:35:16 you access them with this.$.variable Jul 05 00:35:25 NuttyBunny, ah ok - cool Jul 05 00:39:32 this.$ is the components Jul 05 01:12:01 * Tibfib has a working google reader logger in app Jul 05 01:23:30 Tibfib: Nice :D Jul 05 01:23:43 yeah! Jul 05 01:30:22 * haeffb was just saying the other day, "I need a google reader logger in app" Jul 05 01:30:35 lol Jul 05 01:31:15 haeffb: Yeah, I've always wanted to browse through GReader using nothing but a terminal through my phone Jul 05 01:31:59 haeffb: totally Jul 05 01:32:04 gonna be l33t Jul 05 01:33:14 Tibfib: does Spaz use SQLite? Jul 05 01:33:22 hm Jul 05 01:33:24 I don't think so :) Jul 05 01:33:37 good choice :) Jul 05 01:33:57 Hey, who will help me test my TP app? :D Jul 05 01:34:18 NuttyBunny: As soon as I get my hands one :P Jul 05 01:34:46 what is the alternative Jul 05 01:34:53 for sql Jul 05 01:34:59 for database Jul 05 01:35:08 db8 Jul 05 01:35:14 db8 Jul 05 01:35:21 db8! Jul 05 01:35:28 hmm i'll have to ask about later. Jul 05 01:36:04 sql not bad but slow and limited Jul 05 01:36:09 I'd gladly go with db8 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mitmivec/2135312614/ :P Jul 05 01:36:26 come on, don't swarm over me :P Jul 05 01:39:22 whoa Jul 05 01:39:29 I made an infinite array Jul 05 01:39:39 O.o Jul 05 01:39:54 gotta fix that Jul 05 01:40:19 while (true) { myArray.push("blah"); } Jul 05 01:40:21 Tibfib: just let it keep on running for infinity Jul 05 01:40:22 well, it's technically infinite references of itself Jul 05 01:40:57 I can see how that might cause a problem :P Jul 05 01:41:08 categories = [{name: "feed", categories: [{name: "feed", categories: [{ ..... Jul 05 01:41:10 etc Jul 05 01:41:56 Ok, if someone wants to: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta9_0.9.1_all.ipk Jul 05 01:46:44 Anyone? I just need to know if it creates the /media/internal/photofun directory on load, and if it records the screenshots there :) Jul 05 01:49:46 * NuttyBunny sits and waits Jul 05 01:50:09 NuttyBunny, I'll give it a shot Jul 05 01:50:34 NuttyBunny: what if I have the TP emulator? Jul 05 01:51:11 LoneStar99: This version doesn't work properly in the emu, but I need to see if it works on the TP Jul 05 01:51:17 zylogz80: Thanks!! :D Jul 05 01:51:32 NuttyBunny: is the emulator fine? Jul 05 01:51:52 LoneStar99: Nope, you won't be able to select frames :( Jul 05 01:53:03 hahaah Jul 05 01:53:15 * Tibfib does not have a working google reader logger in app Jul 05 01:53:33 I was logged in the browser, so naturally it worked Jul 05 01:53:39 let's try that again. Jul 05 01:54:04 NuttyBunny, ok it loaded Jul 05 01:54:57 NuttyBunny, it created /media/internal/photofun with a 0 byte empty.txt file in it Jul 05 01:54:57 tap the folder icon, select a picture from your TP Jul 05 01:55:05 yep, nice :) Jul 05 01:55:17 now, tap the camera icon and see if it creates a screenshot there Jul 05 01:55:52 NuttyBunny, "Capture failed" - "Error was: Not permitted to sent to com.palm.systemmanager" Jul 05 01:56:01 noooo Jul 05 01:56:02 argh Jul 05 01:56:09 NuttyBunny, :( Jul 05 01:56:18 ok, thanks... :@ Jul 05 01:56:24 *sigh* Jul 05 01:56:28 the hats work at least :) Jul 05 01:56:48 pinch + zoom Jul 05 01:57:11 everything in the app seems to be working - just not the camera button Jul 05 01:58:08 that's the most important :( Jul 05 02:00:24 ooh just found a bug in webOS. if an app has enyo.setAllowedOrientation set to something other than free it's card will look all messed up in other orientations when you return to card view Jul 05 02:00:34 is there a public bugzilla for webos? Jul 05 02:00:49 nope, report it in the dev forums Jul 05 02:00:54 cool Jul 05 02:02:33 I don't know which is more of a bummer - hitting that bug or figuring out that my app looks terrible in portrait after only testing in landscape :P Jul 05 02:04:29 bugs. Looks can be fixed Jul 05 02:05:04 bugs you have to wait/hope for HP to fix Jul 05 02:07:18 a bunch of this stuff is going to get fixed in th eimmediate future Jul 05 02:07:29 but you should still report it incase they arent aware of it Jul 05 02:11:32 well - I wonder if the problem is where I am calling it. let me try calling it way earlier. Jul 05 02:12:35 zylogz80: Can you test with this?: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/com.palm.nuttybunny.photofunbeta9_0.9.1_all.ipk Jul 05 02:12:44 NuttyBunny, sure, 1 sec Jul 05 02:12:48 It should make the screencapture just fine :) Jul 05 02:17:08 FINE Jul 05 02:17:18 I'll roll my own ajax Jul 05 02:20:15 NuttyBunny: you only need TP hardware or emulator will work for you? Jul 05 02:22:13 LoneStar99, Jul 05 02:22:43 In the emu it works, I need device, but now I need to investigate why I can't take screenshots from the app :( Jul 05 02:23:01 * twbbas feels so accompished after squashing a bug after over an hour. Jul 05 02:23:06 oh ok Jul 05 02:25:16 ok if anyone else sees this bug then ack here https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15950 Jul 05 02:25:24 NuttyBunny, ok, testing your ipk now Jul 05 02:27:52 NuttyBunny, worked! showed right up under photofun in my photos app Jul 05 02:28:33 grrr.. so, it seems that only in palm namespace I can request a screencapture :( Jul 05 02:29:01 aww lame Jul 05 02:30:49 so far it seems my only TP app in the catalog has been a great failure, 0 purchases Jul 05 02:30:52 oh well Jul 05 02:31:06 Tibfib: The worst part is that my app depends on that :@ Jul 05 02:31:13 what app is that lonestar Jul 05 02:31:52 TP's only been out for 3 days in the US and it's a holiday weekend - a little early to call an app for it a failure :P Jul 05 02:32:19 also purhases dont count until billing is complete Jul 05 02:32:32 so you wont see anything until tomorrow at the soonest... 1 purchase :) Jul 05 02:32:46 jk of course, but you should start to see them tomorrow or wed Jul 05 02:37:36 CTLAdvance: lol Jul 05 02:39:17 anyways, it was a ported mojo app, Jul 05 02:39:58 Yeah, it takes like 3-5 days to start to see purchases Jul 05 02:40:04 Don't worry. You'll see them Jul 05 02:40:52 right on Jul 05 02:42:51 Have you looked into using Metrix? I don't use it personally but I've heard it logs how many people use it so you don't have to wait 3-5 days for purchase completion. Jul 05 02:43:43 twbbas: nope have not heard of it until right now =) Jul 05 02:44:02 I think www.webosroundup.com has a page explaining it Jul 05 02:44:07 I know a lot of devs use it Jul 05 02:46:05 ok will look into a little later need to add a footer menu to my enyo app Jul 05 02:47:46 what's the difference between dismissWithClick and modal for a popup? seems like you need to set them both to true if you want your popup to not be dismissed by errant taps Jul 05 02:49:28 NuttyBunny: your toolbar uses what buttons or groups? Jul 05 02:51:09 brb going for some chips **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 02:59:57 2011