**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 02:59:57 2011 Jul 05 03:00:28 LoneStar99: Groups of buttons :) Jul 05 03:04:13 * Tibfib NOW has a working google log in app Jul 05 03:04:14 I think Jul 05 03:06:10 moment of truth Jul 05 03:06:17 the emu test Jul 05 03:06:39 it failed Jul 05 03:07:06 ye of little feath Jul 05 03:07:09 faith.* Jul 05 03:07:55 YEAH Jul 05 03:07:56 it worked Jul 05 03:07:58 finally Jul 05 03:09:52 anyone know anything about synergy? Jul 05 03:10:33 not the one you're looking for Jul 05 03:10:40 yeaaah Jul 05 03:10:46 more specifically, what are developers allowed to do with it? Are developers only allowed to mess with contacts and thins? Jul 05 03:11:02 summatusmentis: contacts, calendars, and there's one more Jul 05 03:11:05 oh, messaging Jul 05 03:11:09 * Loudergood uses the mouse and keyboard sharing apps all the time Jul 05 03:11:22 Tibfib: so, a flickr synergy plugin is out Jul 05 03:11:27 yes Jul 05 03:11:32 unfortunately. Jul 05 03:11:43 how does the FB app get access to syncing photos? Jul 05 03:11:55 FB app is special Jul 05 03:12:03 ah Jul 05 03:12:04 that Jul 05 03:12:09 bummer Jul 05 03:12:42 flickr synergy would be sweet Jul 05 03:13:28 well, so, it seems that after 3 weeks of work, my app won't get to the app catalog.. Jul 05 03:13:30 depressing Jul 05 03:13:37 gotta go Jul 05 03:13:38 bbl Jul 05 03:15:18 so, now I just need to weigh the options about which TP version to order Jul 05 03:15:51 64GB white 1.5GHz Jul 05 03:16:07 but then I have to waaaaiiiit... Jul 05 03:16:39 * oil waits for the white one :) Jul 05 03:16:55 or really, opal+pre3 would be great Jul 05 03:17:54 meh, 7" is just way too small Jul 05 03:18:03 * oil just wants to check it out Jul 05 03:18:12 9" seems too large to be portable Jul 05 03:18:39 I played w/ the original Galaxy Tab Jul 05 03:18:59 the 7" is a weird size, too big to hold in one hand, but feels too small to justify both hands Jul 05 03:19:06 hm Jul 05 03:19:17 just my personal preference Jul 05 03:19:22 ever handled a nook color? Jul 05 03:19:27 nope Jul 05 03:19:30 yep Jul 05 03:19:57 i have the 10.1 now Jul 05 03:19:58 ah, that's a simliarish size Jul 05 03:20:05 no problems carrying it Jul 05 03:20:22 but you need a case or you feel like you will break it Jul 05 03:20:41 thats what i feel about the touchpad, don't want to smash it :/ Jul 05 03:20:49 :) Jul 05 03:21:01 yeah and thats slightly smaller Jul 05 03:21:06 I'm definitely getting the folio case Jul 05 03:21:58 this galaxy 10.1 had me so worried I actually bought the case from bestbuy... at full price... ugh Jul 05 03:22:04 prob gonna bring it back Jul 05 03:24:52 if you use a enyo.webService to do a HTTP POST and the server returns a cookie how can you read that cookie? I see enyo.getCookie but I don't know what you pass it? the name of the webService? Jul 05 03:24:58 I'm leaning towards 32GB Jul 05 03:25:58 zylogz80: different kind of cookie Jul 05 03:26:05 haeffb, ah Jul 05 03:26:46 not sure how you read the cookie from the webservice, but try looking at the response object to see if it's in there somewhere Jul 05 03:26:58 haeffb, ok - good thinking Jul 05 03:27:16 i won't chups Jul 05 03:34:27 Woot! Jul 05 03:34:32 * twbbas can buy paid apps now Jul 05 03:34:48 twbbas: what changed? Jul 05 03:35:25 Well, I didn't use Impostah if that's what you're asking ;). My bank had the wrong phone number set for me so my debit card wasn't allowed to be added. Jul 05 03:35:52 I'd definitely used Impostah if I wasn't in America Jul 05 03:36:49 fb app is special? why fb and photobucket? Jul 05 03:37:08 stuff written by Palm is special Jul 05 03:37:24 third-parties cannot replicate everything in the stock functionality Jul 05 03:37:30 does anyone know where the TP case is available? Jul 05 03:37:40 everything I've checked says out of stock right now Jul 05 03:37:53 summatusmentis: Same here Jul 05 03:38:18 but why did they do photobucket... tons more people use flickr... and there's already integration for yahoo services... Jul 05 03:38:22 * dwc- grumbles Jul 05 03:38:34 dwc-: right there with you Jul 05 03:39:05 anyone got a reply for the dev touchpad yet? Jul 05 03:39:36 twbbas: even the HP web store Jul 05 03:39:38 oh wow. Jul 05 03:39:44 Yep Jul 05 03:39:52 PatrickC: which of the Palm staff do you expect to be working on 4th July to process those? Jul 05 03:39:55 there's actually a non-zero number of things in the "find more" part of add accounts now Jul 05 03:39:56 * PatrickC is lost... Jul 05 03:39:57 My Best Buy said they may have a shipment in this thursday Jul 05 03:40:16 ... "outline tracker" Jul 05 03:40:18 rwhitby: I was referring to the whole weekend? like friday/saturday replies.. Jul 05 03:40:34 Friday was TouchPad launch day Jul 05 03:40:46 cmon pat... chuq said they start tuesday Jul 05 03:40:48 and rwhitby: adora was doing app reviews today.. Jul 05 03:40:56 let the poor palm people have their long weekend after launchday Jul 05 03:40:58 Saturday and Sunday were not only the weekend, but the days after launch. Jul 05 03:41:05 adora is an exception Jul 05 03:41:08 ;0 Jul 05 03:41:14 lol Jul 05 03:45:03 whaaaadup Jul 05 03:45:44 every one =) Jul 05 03:48:16 not much i take it Jul 05 03:54:45 lol Jul 05 03:57:31 http://i51.tinypic.com/2nbh7ko.png Jul 05 04:00:27 oil: wonder if we can patch it? Jul 05 04:00:36 if they send the actual fullscreen image down Jul 05 04:00:48 they used seperate thumbnails in the feed, no? Jul 05 04:01:20 oil: look into app detail screen in impostah to see what is available Jul 05 04:01:47 yaaaay Jul 05 04:01:50 assuming its there, the next problem is its patch wouldn't be tied to app version Jul 05 04:01:50 google reader enyo is born Jul 05 04:01:52 (need name) Jul 05 04:01:56 i mean, webos version Jul 05 04:02:03 the app is updated seperately now Jul 05 04:02:08 I'm sure oil would love "Google Readuh" Jul 05 04:02:11 (just downloaded an update for it) Jul 05 04:02:36 Tibfib: you mean Readah Jul 05 04:02:46 ah, yes Jul 05 04:03:09 worst name ever Jul 05 04:03:25 you mean Best Name ever! Jul 05 04:03:48 hmmm. I need a name. Jul 05 04:03:51 i can't believe -ah is actually in the name of another repo on git Jul 05 04:04:02 hahahah Jul 05 04:05:19 http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/xecutah/ Jul 05 04:05:26 haahahahaahah Jul 05 04:05:45 two was already too many Jul 05 04:06:12 "GReadah" Jul 05 04:08:15 Tibfib: Greedah Jul 05 04:08:28 haha Jul 05 04:08:42 oil: you don't like Xecutah ? Jul 05 04:09:11 * oil thinks its too much -ah Jul 05 04:09:23 unless someone else does one before me, it's going to be the way you launch an xterm on a TouchPad Jul 05 04:09:31 or any other X app Jul 05 04:09:49 who would do it before you? Jul 05 04:09:49 heh Jul 05 04:09:50 oil: eventually it can be a hidden service name only Jul 05 04:10:17 i mean, the name fits Jul 05 04:10:28 its just like we've gotten lazy in picking names Jul 05 04:10:36 just call it what it is with an ah at the end Jul 05 04:10:45 oh, my timer app, timah Jul 05 04:10:52 meh, it's a schtick Jul 05 04:11:18 well, it was either that or Xecutor Jul 05 04:11:22 I like it, but you know, not my project Jul 05 04:11:30 lol Jul 05 04:11:48 I need a superhero hulk type logo for Xecutor Jul 05 04:12:24 oil: here's a deal - you make me an awesome Xecutor logo, and I'll change the ah to or. Jul 05 04:12:26 Prewahre Jul 05 04:12:38 Xuzz: no, it would be Installah Jul 05 04:12:44 haahahah Jul 05 04:13:08 rwhitby: http://tux.crystalxp.net/png/madgad-tux-hulk-1966.png Jul 05 04:13:25 was gonna release my first enyo app today, will have to wait till tomara Jul 05 04:13:32 heh Jul 05 04:13:40 summatusmentis: sweet Jul 05 04:14:01 or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/SmileyMags/Tux/Hulk2.png Jul 05 04:14:02 he just needs a X Windows logo on his front and it's done Jul 05 04:14:43 little muscles on his flippers haha Jul 05 04:15:23 I s'pose I should figure out if it's CC Jul 05 04:15:47 wow nice green pingeon Jul 05 04:18:01 oil: this is why it needs to be -ah: http://lifehacker.com/228198/download-of-the-day--xecutor-windows Jul 05 04:18:14 wIRC froze on me Jul 05 04:18:15 :/ Jul 05 04:18:16 only the room Jul 05 04:18:40 couldn't scroll up / down Jul 05 04:18:54 oil: also https://twitter.com/#!/search/xecutor Jul 05 04:18:57 vs https://twitter.com/#!/search/xecutah Jul 05 04:19:18 wirc gets that too haha Jul 05 04:21:29 how about Jul 05 04:21:43 make a name that isn't Thingtheappdoesah Jul 05 04:21:48 or just Thingtheappdoes Jul 05 04:24:13 Xuzz: usually fails the twitter uniqueness test Jul 05 04:28:33 fxspec06_pre2: does that to me too Jul 05 04:31:02 * PatrickC can't wait for the next 2 days Jul 05 04:42:26 hey NuttyBunny Jul 05 04:45:18 hey patrick Jul 05 04:45:39 hey fxspec06_pre2 Jul 05 04:46:00 how do you quote people lol Jul 05 04:46:14 "quote" people? lol Jul 05 04:46:18 tab complete Jul 05 04:46:34 like can you tap their name Jul 05 04:46:38 wirc is meta-orange/silver Jul 05 04:47:03 make it so i refer to someone e z Jul 05 04:47:07 not on the tp. its an actual tab on it. Jul 05 04:47:10 i duno how lol Jul 05 04:47:41 halfhalo: ah true Jul 05 04:47:52 I don't have one (yet) I hope to order one tomorrow Jul 05 04:49:51 * PatrickC has to be a black belt.. or he can't get a touchpad yet... Jul 05 04:50:21 well do you qualify? Jul 05 04:50:41 idk yet.. I have everything but the workshops (imo) Jul 05 04:50:48 I'll find out tomorrow probably Jul 05 04:50:54 same here Jul 05 04:51:04 PatrickC: you have 10 apps? Jul 05 04:51:07 0 webos workshops Jul 05 04:51:09 in the catalog? Jul 05 04:51:17 well.. will... Jul 05 04:51:25 I told them they'll be coming out soon Jul 05 04:51:30 then I don't think you are a black belt now :/ Jul 05 04:51:34 so I'm (hoping) they might count it... Jul 05 04:51:46 they wont i dont think Jul 05 04:51:52 does brown get more % off then green? or are they the same? Jul 05 04:52:15 green and brown are the mostly the same Jul 05 04:52:19 same % off Jul 05 04:52:32 that stinks.. Jul 05 04:52:52 I've had an app in since the pre- era though.. so I will probably get the extra 10% off.. Jul 05 04:52:59 For 2 years? Jul 05 04:53:01 I still don't have $389 though :/ Jul 05 04:53:09 the pre came out 2 years and almost one month ago Jul 05 04:53:20 chuq said just since the pre- era (or around that time) Jul 05 04:53:26 Oh Jul 05 04:53:29 I had an app out before the pre+ came out Jul 05 04:53:32 Then I better get it to Jul 05 04:53:35 :) Jul 05 04:53:42 I believe that's what he said.. don't hold me to that :) Jul 05 04:53:48 Dunno when, but I had countdown puzzles in teh catalog a long time ago Jul 05 04:54:02 wait.. when did the plus come out? Jul 05 04:54:05 I think december after the pre- came out Jul 05 04:54:32 the plus came out in december following the minus? same year? Jul 05 04:54:34 I have almost 19 apps out, a bunch are getting removed if they havent already so will be around 12 when thats done. Jul 05 04:54:35 announced feb 2010 Jul 05 04:54:44 so it doesn't mater how good just like quantity? Jul 05 04:54:45 but need to have a workshop which I dont have Jul 05 04:54:45 ah Jul 05 04:54:49 * halfhalo has 0 apps Jul 05 04:54:55 fxspec06_pre2: hopefully it matters how good Jul 05 04:55:00 but palm my skimp out on that Jul 05 04:55:02 then I probably won't qualify for the extra 10% :/ Jul 05 04:55:24 :/ Jul 05 04:55:28 this is all speculation at this point Jul 05 04:55:32 CTLAdvance: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&p=79755#p79755 Jul 05 04:55:34 hopefully we will find out tomorrow Jul 05 04:55:36 * halfhalo has super secret plan though Jul 05 04:56:19 fxspec who you talking to Jul 05 04:56:43 * PatrickC thinks halfhalo's plan is to *not* but a touchpad.. :) Jul 05 04:56:47 disragard Jul 05 04:57:03 spelling is hard. Jul 05 04:57:07 * halfhalo HAS a touchpad Jul 05 04:57:07 lol Jul 05 04:57:12 I know.. :/ Jul 05 04:57:27 not rly anyone lol Jul 05 04:57:33 * CTLAdvance could buy a touch pad but isnt beside it yet so best to get a discount. currently on a 10.1 for the moment. Jul 05 04:57:34 I *want* one.. but don't have the $$$ Jul 05 04:57:42 Hey PatrickC , hey eberyone Jul 05 04:57:45 everyone Jul 05 04:58:00 i won't qualify now anyways just thinking for future Jul 05 04:58:52 NuttyBunny: we have 23 posts asking for the online workshops :) Jul 05 04:59:10 like i want to have one extremely killer app and then I want to have more apps so hp/palm knows i'm active Jul 05 04:59:22 what will be nice is that once I get one it can be included in my plan to deploy cross platform, IOS, Android and now WebOS. Jul 05 04:59:25 finally Jul 05 05:00:06 ]I am hoping it doesnt need to be patched to have all of the now expected options/bells.. etc Jul 05 05:00:27 I wish palm/hp would license enyo Jul 05 05:00:38 then *1* app for all platforms :) Jul 05 05:00:41 *open source* Jul 05 05:00:54 not really Jul 05 05:00:54 well, I guess license works too Jul 05 05:00:58 just gotta be the right license. Jul 05 05:01:05 yeah Jul 05 05:01:11 and that, ladies and gents, means it's time for me to go to bed Jul 05 05:01:14 bbbbbyyyyyyyye Jul 05 05:01:19 byby Jul 05 05:01:25 cya Jul 05 05:01:27 the app would require a backend, so best use phonegap, then you need to hope everything works well with phonegap Jul 05 05:02:19 l8er Jul 05 05:02:28 why do that if enyo is pre-installed on android/iOS? then you just change the script link and you are ready to go? Jul 05 05:02:35 I think phonegap needs to make a PDK package so it can be as similar to android and IOS as possible Jul 05 05:02:44 enyo looks nice on all different size screens Jul 05 05:02:55 I see what your saying, providing they do that Jul 05 05:03:13 I don't see why they wouldn't. as it would build the app count a lot Jul 05 05:03:14 that would mean that all platforms would have to support webapps as well Jul 05 05:03:21 with some sort of system Jul 05 05:03:27 make 1 app for *all major platforms* Jul 05 05:03:50 cuts the work time in half.. and makes it much easier to distribute, and cheaper.. Jul 05 05:03:59 it will never happen Jul 05 05:04:07 one can dream Jul 05 05:04:11 yep Jul 05 05:04:21 mebe Jul 05 05:04:42 the thing is though, I think it really negates/detracts from potential webdevs who dont fully understand enyo Jul 05 05:04:58 esp if they dont reallize they can just not use it.. Jul 05 05:05:00 its not that hard to learn Jul 05 05:05:19 I know little js, but enyo seems easy to me Jul 05 05:05:38 * halfhalo walks away before he snaps again Jul 05 05:05:49 snaps Jul 05 05:05:49 ? Jul 05 05:05:58 * fxspec06_pre2 loves web anything Jul 05 05:06:11 bye halfhalo Jul 05 05:07:26 halfhalo: you can come back now.. I'm off to bed lol Jul 05 05:07:31 how was everyone's 4th Jul 05 05:07:32 cya later. night all Jul 05 05:07:48 mine was good. went to see T3 and went to a concert Jul 05 05:07:50 bye patrick Jul 05 05:07:52 lol Jul 05 05:07:57 woooo t 3 Jul 05 05:08:04 how was it? Jul 05 05:08:10 it. was. a.m.a.z.i.n.g. Jul 05 05:08:11 not a bad 4th, got a deal on some bud, 11 for 30 cans :) Jul 05 05:08:14 omg Jul 05 05:08:28 i can't wait til i hear it in my HT Jul 05 05:08:36 * PatrickC doesn't drink Jul 05 05:08:38 =D Jul 05 05:08:39 HT? Jul 05 05:08:45 on.. nvm lol Jul 05 05:08:46 home theater Jul 05 05:08:51 lol Jul 05 05:09:05 * CTLAdvance was down to TP or Stella, then he saw the Bud, now ctladvance is short for touchpad Jul 05 05:09:09 woooooo nice CTL Jul 05 05:09:12 * PatrickC wants a HT.. but also wants a touchpad.. decisions decisions Jul 05 05:09:26 HT is soooooo much more expensive. Jul 05 05:09:30 i promise Jul 05 05:09:43 lol Jul 05 05:09:43 fxspec06_pre2: for the type I want, I know :D Jul 05 05:10:02 i have polks bookshelves all around Jul 05 05:10:11 * PatrickC <3 4K video :D Jul 05 05:10:26 tsi200s fromt, 100s surround Jul 05 05:10:28 7.1 Jul 05 05:10:36 svs pb10nsd Jul 05 05:10:37 I believe the only projector that does 4K is like $50,000 :/ Jul 05 05:10:52 onkyo ht rc160 Jul 05 05:11:01 All above entry lvl Jul 05 05:11:06 i'd go bose all the way Jul 05 05:11:08 but not mid tier yet Jul 05 05:11:27 or pro-grade speakers Jul 05 05:11:28 about 2500 ++ invested Jul 05 05:11:41 I grew up running sound :) I know good equipment ;) Jul 05 05:11:43 no way. bose blows Jul 05 05:11:53 well.. they are cheap and good Jul 05 05:11:58 you can get better for money Jul 05 05:12:09 okay i will agree for some its very good Jul 05 05:12:14 I would like to get professional hi-grade concert speakers Jul 05 05:12:26 way better than most HTIB Jul 05 05:12:32 buuuuutttt. those are expensive.. Jul 05 05:12:32 depends on which bose system you get they seem to have two tiers, cheap cheap bose name scotch taped on Jul 05 05:12:35 but yeah me too Jul 05 05:12:38 and awesome but overly expensive Jul 05 05:13:12 I've been member avs for ages Jul 05 05:13:50 got to play NHL 11 tourney w/ cousin Jul 05 05:17:56 the projector I want is http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-ultrahires/product-SRXT420/ Jul 05 05:18:04 ;) Jul 05 05:21:52 4k is nice Jul 05 06:18:13 Well, I can vouch for the Veer being a faster than 7.2mbps device. Jul 05 06:19:00 Even if my speedtest results were as erratic as hell with it, I still got some faster than a 7.2 device would do in real world conditions. Jul 05 06:33:28 Hendikins: you need to post a screenshot, showing that 4G is faster in Australia than in the US Jul 05 06:34:24 Unfortunately I was testing the thing tethered, so a screenshot isn't relevant. Jul 05 06:40:00 I'll see what I can get out of the flash version though. Jul 05 06:41:13 I think 4g anywhere is faster than the "4g" they give us here Jul 05 06:41:55 I'm not in a particularly great testing spot, I'm only getting 14 megabits with the AirCard 312U. Jul 05 06:42:02 I've seen it do 22. Jul 05 06:43:44 5.81/2.45 with 71ms ping on the Veer? Yeah, I'll screenshot that. Jul 05 06:46:42 http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/browser_2011-05-07_164012.png - Telstra 3G. Jul 05 06:50:42 rwhitby: Just for a laugh I'll have to test it at say, Sydney Airport (or somewhere else where I routinely hit 20+mbps on the 312U) Jul 05 06:51:00 yeah Jul 05 06:51:40 5.81 isn't bad given the time of day, but it also isn't device limited. Jul 05 07:12:23 huh... Math.round((jew Date()).getTime()) doesn't seem to work...go figure Jul 05 07:23:14 lolwut Jul 05 07:24:13 TypoOrRacistRemark.com Jul 05 07:29:22 lol Jul 05 07:29:28 jew Date? Jul 05 07:32:36 heh, ya. not sure how that happened Jul 05 08:36:26 any way to force the keyboard to come up on the tp? Jul 05 08:36:35 trying to use the crossword game Jul 05 08:38:24 morning Jul 05 08:50:24 morning swisstomca! Jul 05 08:56:09 I am unable to access the methods of a kind inside another kind. HOw can I do this? Jul 05 08:56:09 This is what I have done: Jul 05 08:56:09 1. Defined a kind. Jul 05 08:56:09 2. Created copies of the kind using the createComponent method and stored them in an array. Jul 05 08:56:09 When I try to access the methods of the component using array[i].method() it says that it is undefined. What am I doing wrong? Please help!!! Jul 05 09:48:22 quad_damage2: how do you store them in an array? tried to set the right owner? Jul 05 10:15:11 @simfa I am doing this through a loop: for(var i = 0; i < number; i++) { Jul 05 10:15:11 var currentComponent = this.createComponent({kind: "someKind"}); Jul 05 10:22:24 I later add the currentComponent object to the array using the push method. When I do this, I get the copy of the kind but I am not able to access the methods by using currentComponent.someMethod() Jul 05 10:24:17 @simfa who would be the owner if I do it this way? How do I check who is the current owner? Jul 05 10:34:44 just tested it and i will post the code, which i hope is what you wanted to do Jul 05 10:36:33 http://pastebin.com/ymj8R709 Jul 05 10:47:03 @simfa Thank you.... will check it out :) Jul 05 10:50:59 u are welcome ;) Jul 05 10:54:49 @simfa I am just a newbie so please forgive me if this is a stupid question... From your example code, the way to access method of the kind in the array is to declare a new method and then access the method of the array element through the new method... Am I correct on this? Jul 05 10:56:09 I am referring to the show method which is present inside the kind and also in the definition of the Main.RemoteControlTouchpad Jul 05 10:56:22 sry no time yet... Jul 05 11:45:28 quad_damage2 you are here? Jul 05 11:48:33 i must admit that my example wasn't good and the two show() functions in RemoteControlTouchpad and inside the kind are NOT related to each other...the names are just accidentally the same ;) Jul 05 12:46:06 @simfa :) Thanks... I will try this out... Jul 05 14:03:53 morning Jul 05 14:13:35 mornin Jul 05 14:13:52 good evening! Jul 05 14:14:35 lol Jul 05 14:15:09 good day Jul 05 14:15:26 good day to you as well. Jul 05 14:15:47 So, what's the best fix for the media indexer bug on 2.1? anyone know? Jul 05 14:16:02 I've searched P|C but it seems no one has a good answer Jul 05 14:36:57 IGNTNUNLMTD: I've heard doctors fix it.. and I believe that's the only way :/ Jul 05 14:37:18 man.. I hope I hear back today :) Jul 05 14:37:37 bbl mowing time Jul 05 14:38:11 nevermind, the novaterm command fixed it Jul 05 14:47:02 delete the media index and restart the phone Jul 05 14:47:04 and presto Jul 05 14:47:09 everything's there! Jul 05 14:47:19 IGNTNUNLMTD: Don't use USB mode, that's the REAL fix :) Jul 05 14:47:33 where's terminal for 2.1? Jul 05 14:47:45 in the outerworld Jul 05 14:47:50 so there isn't one Jul 05 14:47:53 nope :( Jul 05 14:47:56 Terminus works for me Jul 05 14:48:02 WHAT? Really? Jul 05 14:48:03 or you can use xterm as well Jul 05 14:48:07 you have to change the jail file Jul 05 14:48:33 or xterm, true Jul 05 14:48:44 NuttyBunny: what do you use? xterm? Jul 05 14:50:49 Yep, I don't like to mess around with files, I often forget what I change and end up with a borked device :D Jul 05 14:51:40 bad thing: you can't scroll back, so it works only for quick commands, it's not a full terminal replacement Jul 05 14:51:48 no copy/paste either Jul 05 14:52:28 http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/04/mark-zuckerberg-is-the-most-followed-user-on-google/ LOL Jul 05 14:52:50 Zuck's probably losing sleep lately Jul 05 14:52:55 Google+ Jul 05 14:55:31 somehow i don't think he's too worried about it. Jul 05 14:56:26 is there a mechanism for requesting features to palm? Jul 05 14:56:50 yep Jul 05 14:57:23 will you tell me what it is? :-P Jul 05 14:57:51 http://www.hpwebos.com/us/company/feedback.html Jul 05 14:57:51 whine on twitter Jul 05 14:58:05 Tibfib: I tried that, they ignored me Jul 05 14:58:15 summatusmentis: darn. that usually works Jul 05 14:58:25 No, they actually read this one, or at least they used to, when they were Palm Jul 05 15:02:58 well, if Flickr synergy would have to be special, the submission form is the idea for Flickr synergy to be special Jul 05 15:24:11 So, my app is complete, it works as intended, BUT I'm screwed because I cannot take a screenshot, so now I must draw everything with canvas to be able to export it... *sigh* Anyone with a good, quick tutorial for canvas under enyo? :D Jul 05 15:25:02 you... can't take a screenshot? Jul 05 15:26:16 no I can't. Unless I use palm namespace. A standard app catalog app can't take screenshots (period) :'( Jul 05 15:26:46 wut... weird Jul 05 15:27:10 and of course, my original idea used that. The worst thing is that canvas.toDataURL is only supported in 3.0, so, if I ever wanted to port it to 2.1, I'm screwed :) Jul 05 15:33:13 NuttyBunny: just tell the user to take a screenshot Jul 05 15:34:44 haeffb-pre: Nah, not good enough. As a user I would find it "chafa" (not good, like a duct-taped app) Jul 05 15:35:21 true Jul 05 15:35:36 cna i make wirc use ssl Jul 05 15:35:49 * haeffb-pre considers making a duct-taped app Jul 05 15:35:49 see, they should let you take a screenshot if it is user-initiated Jul 05 15:35:51 alas. Jul 05 15:35:56 Why would I put the camera button then? to tell the user: "Now go ahead and take the screenshot", besides the user made screenshots go in the screencaptures directory, mine are going into a defined directory :) Jul 05 15:36:29 funkatron: I proposed to be able to take a screenshot of the app while it's focused, but it's a no-go :( Jul 05 15:36:34 right Jul 05 15:36:53 well, I can understand that an app probably shouldn't be able to take arbitrary screenshots without user intervention Jul 05 15:37:31 yup, granted, but there could be a check to see if it was user (input) generated, and inside the same app Jul 05 15:37:59 but hey, this canvas thingy seems rather interesting for my purposes, and it will work better for my next evil app ;) Jul 05 15:38:33 that's an odd situation =| Jul 05 15:38:54 what kind of app is it? if you don't mind my asking Jul 05 15:39:22 photo fun style, frames, funny overlays, etc Jul 05 15:39:39 ohhh i see Jul 05 15:39:51 webkit does everything for me, and I was expecting webOS to do the screencapture part, but nooo!... now I have to do real work :D Jul 05 15:39:52 hehehe Jul 05 15:40:43 so you gotta get rgb values for each pixel? Jul 05 15:41:32 nah, I'll just create a canvas and move my work there, changing the commands for moving around stuff. I hope it won't be that hard, and in the end there's a canvas method to export the image :D Jul 05 15:41:34 hello all Jul 05 15:41:57 and that DOES work (although right now I just get a transparent image) ;) Jul 05 15:41:59 brb Jul 05 15:42:04 i have a quick question, what handles incoming calls? (hardware wise) Jul 05 15:42:16 NuttyBunny: You could make your app hybrid and use something like this: http://hem.bredband.net/gmogmo/fbgrab/ -- If I remember correctly there were some colorspace issues in 1.4.5 that may or may not need fixing in 2.1 or 3.0. Jul 05 15:42:25 fudge_: what do you mean? on what device? Jul 05 15:42:29 palm pre Jul 05 15:42:35 i've been missing calls like crazy Jul 05 15:43:12 oh. What OS? Jul 05 15:43:21 even after doctoring, the issue is still there. im starting to suspect its a hardware problem probably Jul 05 15:43:26 1.4.5.1 Jul 05 15:43:33 same issue on 2.1 also Jul 05 15:43:48 did you update Pre Jul 05 15:43:54 are you underclocking at all? Jul 05 15:43:55 prl list** Jul 05 15:44:05 I had that issue when I underclocked to 250mhz Jul 05 15:44:06 nope, stock everything Jul 05 15:44:12 no custom kernels or anything Jul 05 15:44:14 hrm Jul 05 15:45:08 lol why would you underclock that low Jul 05 15:45:21 I was doing it for battery puroses Jul 05 15:45:23 oh Jul 05 15:45:24 purposes* Jul 05 15:45:40 i have a box of pre parts, so i dont mind swapping out parts Jul 05 15:45:44 ultimately, I just bought a new battery instead :) Jul 05 15:45:59 morning all, time for some corn flakes Jul 05 15:46:11 lol batteries go for cheap on ebay. i use to own like 5 batteries back when i had 2 pixi's and a pre Jul 05 15:46:28 i wish lonestar, no milk where i am =( Jul 05 15:46:36 anyway, is the comms board responsible for catching phone calls? Jul 05 15:46:47 I'm not 100% sure Jul 05 15:46:55 probably, but I don't know Jul 05 15:47:01 oh Jul 05 15:47:23 eh, i'll swap and match. hopefully i'll get lucky... Jul 05 15:47:44 anyone else experiencing issues with the facebook app? Jul 05 15:47:54 pictures wont download for me Jul 05 15:48:07 I have that problem too Jul 05 15:48:11 not sure what's going on Jul 05 15:48:14 Hi all, any updates with Kindle app for Touchpad? Still not available in Catalog? Jul 05 15:48:23 neither do i. its really frustrating. Jul 05 15:48:32 ddluk: afaik, no news Jul 05 15:50:19 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/280282-facebook-problems.html Jul 05 15:50:28 i think facebook changed a lot of things up with their site. they even broke the chat patch :'( Jul 05 15:50:54 its a facebook settings issue Jul 05 15:51:16 for chat patch enable pidgin (on fb) Jul 05 15:51:29 ah Jul 05 15:51:30 woah Jul 05 15:51:41 really? enable pidgin and it works again? Jul 05 15:51:42 for pictures i forget but that thread has the answer Jul 05 15:52:36 i'm not 100% sure but i know i read somewhere. also i needed to do that to get working on pre 2 Jul 05 15:52:58 w/ gregs synergy messaging plugins Jul 05 15:53:02 to get the patch working or images? Jul 05 15:53:03 oh Jul 05 15:53:10 i envy you 2.0 users Jul 05 15:53:14 >:O Jul 05 15:53:16 same dev who made fb chat for 1.4.5 Jul 05 15:53:27 i hope it works Jul 05 15:53:30 im about to give it a try Jul 05 15:53:30 its buggy tho Jul 05 15:53:36 how so Jul 05 15:53:42 it should Jul 05 15:54:25 well synergy plug in dosnt merge existing contacts. and it doesn't remember names or avatars after reboot Jul 05 15:54:39 goes for all 2.x accounts in msging Jul 05 15:54:57 oh yeah, i use to have that issue too with my pre before i sold it for a bb Jul 05 15:55:06 horrible descision Jul 05 15:55:19 1. Go to Login | Facebook either on your phone our computer. Dont just do www.facebook.com on your pre for you will get the mobile site which you cannot do jack there. Tap on Account at the top-right and select account settings. Next screen, look for Acco Jul 05 15:55:19 unt Security and tap on change to the right. Take the check out of Secure Browsing (https). Hit the save button. Close your facebook app out and reopen. Well?? If that worked then cocktails! If not go to next thing: Jul 05 15:55:39 that will enable pics Jul 05 15:55:44 guaranteed Jul 05 15:55:47 yup, im doing that right nwo Jul 05 15:55:51 =) Jul 05 15:55:56 i just hope enabling pidgin will fix the chat patch Jul 05 15:56:17 i do too for your sake Jul 05 15:56:21 lol Jul 05 15:56:26 * halfhalo has actual pidgin on his device thanks to the wonderfullness of chroots Jul 05 15:56:30 llol Jul 05 15:56:35 lol Jul 05 15:56:36 pictures work again Jul 05 15:56:41 nice Jul 05 15:56:46 :) Jul 05 15:58:07 also for pidgin on fb i think you may need to dl and log in once on pc.. not sure Jul 05 15:59:58 grr, argh Jul 05 16:06:20 Robdor: Thanks for the suggestion, but I wanna stay hybrid-free this time ;) Canvas seems pretty powerful and enough for my needs (I hope so) Jul 05 16:07:16 gotta go. bbl Jul 05 16:07:25 wifi on the TP is problematic at work Jul 05 16:07:44 * Tibfib now has a working google reader feed loader Jul 05 16:07:52 YES Jul 05 16:07:55 THANK YOU Jul 05 16:08:12 if you can enable it to add, delete and modify Folders, you are GOD. Jul 05 16:08:25 Hmm, I'll have to see if there is an api for that Jul 05 16:08:27 I know you can add feeds Jul 05 16:08:53 and you can label a feed Jul 05 16:08:56 or categorize Jul 05 16:09:04 but I don't think you can modify labels Jul 05 16:09:41 maybe. I'll investigate more later Jul 05 16:09:45 Why is it asking me for a password for the TouchPad novaterm? Jul 05 16:10:27 sooo much to do Jul 05 16:10:31 oh well, that's the fun, eh? Jul 05 16:20:28 i'll bbl gna let my phone charge. Jul 05 16:27:42 howdee yall Jul 05 16:27:53 hola! Jul 05 16:28:28 hi chuqui Jul 05 16:28:48 howdy Jul 05 16:34:43 is there a command like setTimeout in enyo that works ? Jul 05 16:35:26 setTimeout works Jul 05 16:35:45 there's also enyo.job I think... Jul 05 16:36:00 hi chuqui Jul 05 16:36:08 i can just call setTimeout("Wait", 4000); ? Jul 05 16:37:00 that's amazing, thanks! Jul 05 16:38:43 anyone hear back from palm about the dev tp yet? Jul 05 16:40:47 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping Jul 05 16:44:23 PatrickC: pong Jul 05 16:44:32 sorry, I was eating so my latency was high Jul 05 16:44:33 lol Jul 05 16:47:46 No pat Jul 05 17:19:14 morning all! Jul 05 17:19:46 Is palm-generate supposed to generate Mojo or Enyo? Jul 05 17:22:17 JenP: hello! Jul 05 17:22:20 mojo Jul 05 17:22:28 hi haeffb! Jul 05 17:22:42 Is there something else for generating Enyo structure? Jul 05 17:23:27 really, there is no enyo structure Jul 05 17:23:38 oh, just throw the js-files in there? Jul 05 17:23:49 index.html Jul 05 17:23:52 depends.js Jul 05 17:24:01 you can create whatever other structure you want Jul 05 17:24:07 Cool Jul 05 17:24:34 I suppose you could put the whole enyo app in index.html if you wanted Jul 05 17:25:10 Haha, is that the 'official' way of creating webos apps? Or are there things you lose Jul 05 17:25:23 I read something about c/c++, and js-services Jul 05 17:27:05 joppe_: c/c++ can be used to create PDK aps, javascript is used for SDK apps Jul 05 17:27:09 enyo is SDK Jul 05 17:27:13 as is mojo Jul 05 17:27:27 and you can create services using node.js Jul 05 17:28:03 What does PDK entail? Jul 05 17:28:39 I'm sorry for my ignorance :x Jul 05 17:29:08 crap, how do you force the TouchPad to shut down? Jul 05 17:29:47 Touch it? Jul 05 17:33:42 joppe_: PDK is plugin developer kit and can be used to create, for instance, full-screen games for webOS. It doesn't have the built-in controls and such that you get with mojo or enyo, both of which are javascript frameworks included in the SDK Jul 05 17:33:54 enyo is the new framework that came with webOS 3.0 Jul 05 17:33:58 I see Jul 05 17:34:08 Yeah, and Mojo is getting deprecated? Jul 05 17:34:14 eventually, maybe Jul 05 17:34:23 Oh Jul 05 17:34:25 enyo apps only run on the TouchPad at the moment Jul 05 17:34:44 mojo apps can run on the TouchPad and on all currently available phones Jul 05 17:34:56 I see.. Which is it better to develop with then? If starting today Jul 05 17:35:26 Personally, I'd go with enyo - it likely has a longer shelf life going forward Jul 05 17:35:47 The current phones wont be upgraded to support enyo, will they? Jul 05 17:35:51 but if you want your apps available on phones immediately, then mojo is a better choice Jul 05 17:36:33 we don't know for sure. Palm has said that the Veer (currently available) and Pre3 (unreleased) will eventually run enyo apps. Jul 05 17:37:17 Alright Jul 05 17:37:26 thank you for the information Jul 05 17:48:29 a well designed app for the TP would be horrid on any phone and vice versa Jul 05 17:50:30 depends on the app Jul 05 17:56:37 A well designed app will scale well to any device screen size Jul 05 17:57:35 This takes more planning on behalf of the dev to include thi level of layout dynamics Jul 05 17:57:57 look decent, but it would be rather difficult to do a two-pane (left/right) layout on 400px of a pixi Jul 05 17:58:11 or however much it is Jul 05 17:58:41 dwc-: think of panes as scenes in mojo Jul 05 17:59:14 that's a lot of going back and forth Jul 05 17:59:32 imo Jul 05 18:00:13 yeah? How did we do it in mojo? Jul 05 18:00:40 have a list scene, tap on a list item, open a details scene, close the details to go back to the list Jul 05 18:00:53 same thing in enyo, just with panes Jul 05 18:02:53 yea, I don't think that's a very ideal UI Jul 05 18:03:09 but I'm no UI guy Jul 05 18:04:37 ctladvance: a well designed app would have different UIs for a phone and Tablet Jul 05 18:04:59 people interact with the devices differently Jul 05 18:05:08 you need to take advantage of that Jul 05 18:05:18 Ok and why couldn't that be the same app? Jul 05 18:05:44 same app as in same app name? Jul 05 18:06:30 Same I'll Jul 05 18:06:35 I'll Jul 05 18:06:37 Ugh Jul 05 18:06:41 Ipk Jul 05 18:06:55 sure it can be int he same ipk Jul 05 18:07:01 never said it couldnt be Jul 05 18:07:25 but i dont think the best idea is to make the UI "scale" to different sizes Jul 05 18:07:25 There is no reason why you can't detect screensize and adjust on that Jul 05 18:07:46 if thats all you did then your app is going to suck on one of the platforms Jul 05 18:07:51 Ok maybe scale was bad :) Jul 05 18:07:52 Adjust? Jul 05 18:07:58 scale ~ adjust Jul 05 18:08:02 i know what your saying Jul 05 18:08:08 if you have a 1 scene app fine Jul 05 18:08:15 you can get away with that Jul 05 18:08:23 its not going to fly with more complex apps Jul 05 18:08:39 so, how is SpazHD any different than Spaz-mojo? Jul 05 18:08:54 except that you can see three "scenes" at once? Jul 05 18:09:00 its much different Jul 05 18:09:03 it's not in mojo Jul 05 18:09:11 so, you know, wildly different :) Jul 05 18:09:12 Again I disagree... But we can agree to disagree Jul 05 18:09:49 spazHD is not simply scaled to a larger device Jul 05 18:09:58 its an entirely new UI Jul 05 18:10:07 Right Jul 05 18:10:21 complete rewite iirc Jul 05 18:10:28 rewrite* Jul 05 18:10:31 and spazHD woudl suck on a veer or pre3 Jul 05 18:10:44 And he could write it so on a pre 3 you get 1 column vs tp with 3 Jul 05 18:10:59 ctladvance: exactly Jul 05 18:11:02 ctladvance: that is not "adjusting" or scaling Jul 05 18:11:13 SpazHD is absolutely nothing like spaz-mojo Jul 05 18:11:19 codewise or conceptwise Jul 05 18:11:21 scaling is what Preware on touchpad does Jul 05 18:11:23 well they share spazcore Jul 05 18:11:27 same ui but is just larger Jul 05 18:11:53 Scaling was incorrect, but adjusting I would say either way it could be the same app with a simple js switch Jul 05 18:11:58 So Jul 05 18:12:03 Oops Jul 05 18:12:34 there would be no point in even having panes on a pre3/veer Jul 05 18:12:40 ctladvance: we would maintain separate verisons of spaz between tablet and mobile devices Jul 05 18:12:43 the toolbar at the bottom would waste space Jul 05 18:13:02 Panes automagically change behavior on small form factor devices Jul 05 18:13:07 many mojo apps have a "toolbar" at the bottom Jul 05 18:13:18 they ignore widths and take up the whole screen with no shared visibliity Jul 05 18:13:40 dcousineau: panes === scenes on small form factor devices Jul 05 18:13:46 I guess I am saying one can or has the option to make the app dynamic based on the device using the same ipk providing you do not need a separate package for each device Jul 05 18:14:04 haeffb: infact that's the whole point of enyo.Pane :P I hsould have clairifed "SlidingPanes" Jul 05 18:14:15 enyo.Pane literally is the mojo scene concept Jul 05 18:14:23 derp Jul 05 18:14:32 funkatron: herp Jul 05 18:14:57 what is a good size for a toolbar icon on the TP? 48x48 or 32x32 or recommendations Jul 05 18:15:11 funkatron: you stay out of this Spaz talk! Jul 05 18:15:18 what the hell do I know??? Jul 05 18:15:18 LoneStar99: depends on how muc space you want to waste and how big your fingers are Jul 05 18:15:25 heh Jul 05 18:15:42 IIRC they say 48x48 Jul 05 18:15:47 they == hp designers Jul 05 18:16:01 though we kinda say "cool" and proceeded not to use that size Jul 05 18:16:10 I thought we did use 48x48 Jul 05 18:16:15 oops. Jul 05 18:16:19 it's not your fingers that matter Jul 05 18:16:28 oh scuse me Jul 05 18:16:30 54px Jul 05 18:16:37 was their recommended width Jul 05 18:16:40 mf Jul 05 18:16:43 yeah Jul 05 18:16:47 haeffb: its how you use them ;) Jul 05 18:16:50 had to pull up my notes Jul 05 18:16:50 notice how shitty the icons look in the app cat? Jul 05 18:16:53 nerds. Jul 05 18:17:16 ok, why don't my mojo apps run on the TP anymore? Jul 05 18:17:25 haeffb: mmmmm Jul 05 18:17:27 I dunno Jul 05 18:17:28 uiRevision: 2 in your config? Jul 05 18:17:44 well tahts' for scaling... Jul 05 18:17:53 ...or adjusting... Jul 05 18:18:01 no, just plain mojo apps Jul 05 18:18:07 trying to launch from eclipse Jul 05 18:19:05 PuffTheMagic: do not want to waste to much space but do not want the icons to big or small Jul 05 18:20:30 a screw it 48 it is Jul 05 18:24:14 goldilocks icons Jul 05 18:25:21 * funkatron sits in the app cat and breaks it Jul 05 18:25:24 well. shit. Jul 05 18:25:51 lol how'd you break the cat Jul 05 18:27:10 dont underestimate funkatrons breaking ability? Jul 05 18:27:49 lol Jul 05 18:33:23 oilsworkn: what did you implement for "back" in your mojo apps? Jul 05 18:33:50 buttons Jul 05 18:34:37 heh Jul 05 18:34:41 in the headers we added buttons Jul 05 18:34:55 which I must say looks well Jul 05 18:34:57 so in the flat/multi-line headers, instead of the little gear icon, its a back arrow Jul 05 18:35:13 and in the "bubble" fixed headers we just added a back button Jul 05 18:35:26 Haven't seen it in page headers actually, only fixed ones Jul 05 18:35:28 and we change the body class on weather or not its a touchpad or not Jul 05 18:36:36 ah, so I don't see the buttons on the phone? Jul 05 18:37:29 clever solution is clever Jul 05 18:37:42 haeffb: yep Jul 05 18:38:48 haeffb: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/log/ Jul 05 18:39:05 starting at like 6-21 and on Jul 05 18:39:11 is changes we made for preware to work at tp res Jul 05 18:42:36 in your WebService onFailure handler, how do you guys deal with no internet access? Is a "hey you have no internet" msg sufficent? Jul 05 18:43:05 what about icons that are 150x150 ?? Jul 05 18:43:09 I should really handle the whole no internet thing... >.> Jul 05 18:43:11 lol Jul 05 18:44:38 akanster: I use the connectionmanager to see if a connection is available before any webservice stuff Jul 05 18:44:53 but then if the connection is lost, I just silently fail Jul 05 18:45:20 well, not silent. "Couldn't XXX from the web service" banner message or something Jul 05 18:48:19 I'll try the connection manager. thanks haeffb Jul 05 18:49:41 * oilsworkn also tests for connection before requesting data Jul 05 18:51:45 hm, interesting Jul 05 18:51:51 oops wrong channel Jul 05 18:52:27 * Popple3 is intrigued as to what interested dwc- :P Jul 05 18:52:48 akanster: I handle ti with a popup dialog with an option to retry or exit since the internet is required Jul 05 18:53:07 * dwc- points Popple3 over to the other channel Jul 05 18:53:50 * Popple3 fortunately knows what this "other channel" is :P Jul 05 18:54:09 #EnyoRebels ? Jul 05 18:54:24 #webos-internals Jul 05 18:54:42 #popples-goat-porn-channel of course Jul 05 18:54:58 some connection manager enyo code: http://pastebin.com/J8U44Kf0 Jul 05 18:55:28 dwc-: But nobody's in there.... Nobody's ever in there... :( Jul 05 18:56:20 haeffb: thanks man! Jul 05 18:56:47 wait, what kind of goat? Jul 05 18:57:04 drunken three-legged goat Jul 05 18:57:05 mountain goats Jul 05 18:57:12 ok Jul 05 18:57:14 know for their dexterity and stamina Jul 05 18:57:17 known* Jul 05 18:57:37 * haeffb working on stealing the icon stuff from preware Jul 05 18:57:41 * oilsworkn likes to use that explanation of the internet Jul 05 18:59:00 The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.' Jul 05 19:01:08 You're never alone on the internet :D Jul 05 19:01:28 also, I probably should've went into Incognito mode when I searched 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' Jul 05 19:06:33 Is it possible to turn the 3.0 emulator into a phone? Or do I need to install an older version Jul 05 19:08:27 download older emulator images Jul 05 19:08:45 Hi folks! Jul 05 19:09:39 On the HP shopping site there is a picture of the touchpad that indicates it has a rear camera and a flash... Jul 05 19:09:45 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html Jul 05 19:10:11 :-( Jul 05 19:10:48 that site also has the wrong kind of touchstone dock Jul 05 19:11:22 wow that page is full of fail Jul 05 19:11:42 I agree! Jul 05 19:11:44 it's just a big ass older touchstone Jul 05 19:16:33 http://code.google.com/p/jslibs/wiki/JavascriptTips#language_advanced_Tips_&_Tricks - some might find this useful Jul 05 19:24:12 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping again lol Jul 05 19:24:15 was mowing lawn Jul 05 19:24:17 pong Jul 05 19:25:25 did you fix the media indexer prob? Jul 05 19:26:06 can someone try and download the "TextOne" app from the catalog? Jul 05 19:27:25 PatrickC: I downloaded the beta the other day Jul 05 19:27:36 its in the catalog feed.. Jul 05 19:27:42 it wont let me download it Jul 05 19:27:46 it wasn't when I downloaded :P Jul 05 19:27:50 also, I used Impostah Jul 05 19:27:51 "This action can't be completed" error Jul 05 19:27:55 ah Jul 05 19:27:59 I don't know the appid.. Jul 05 19:28:11 com.textone.app I think Jul 05 19:28:21 I'll try that Jul 05 19:28:53 not found Jul 05 19:29:19 Catalog must be broken or something, or app was puilled for some reason Jul 05 19:29:21 *pulled Jul 05 19:29:57 yeah Jul 05 19:30:05 maybe it was suppose to be a beta app.. Jul 05 19:30:12 bbl again.. still have more to mow lol Jul 05 19:30:35 PatrickC: write an app for that ;) Jul 05 19:30:41 heh Jul 05 19:30:47 I would if I could haha Jul 05 19:31:22 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&p=80422#p80422 Jul 05 19:39:11 getting this crap messge from chrome --> XMLHttpRequest cannot load file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/HP%20webOS/SDK/share/refcode/webos-framework/enyo/1.0/framework/build/resources/es.json. Cross origin requests are only supported for HTTP. Jul 05 19:39:27 you need to add a flag to chrome's shortcut Jul 05 19:39:32 um.... What is it..... Jul 05 19:40:04 --allow-file-access-from-files Jul 05 19:41:18 yeah done that.. Jul 05 19:41:37 well only certain elements show up Jul 05 19:41:39 Are you running the app from a server? Jul 05 19:41:52 ive been getting the "too many cards open" error when i have no cards open.... what did i do wrong? Jul 05 19:42:04 well ajax sends stuff to server via enyo code Jul 05 19:42:44 LoneStar99: that's suggesting you have the app running on http://localhost or something like that, and you're trying to access file:/// Jul 05 19:45:14 hmm.. weird what about this stupid error --> Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [Slider] Jul 05 19:46:45 dang. Somehow my Pre2 has turned into a Veer. Jul 05 19:46:52 O.o Jul 05 19:47:02 anyone else have the wireless keyboard and find it frustrating that you can't swap through apps? Jul 05 19:47:22 oh screw chrome for now, it shows up fine in safari Jul 05 19:47:38 going back & forth from TP to Pre2 makes the Pre2 seem tiny Jul 05 19:47:59 LoneStar99: safari seemed to actually be the most consistent for me Jul 05 19:53:02 Flashpass: yeah chrome was working fine as of yesterday made some changes or not and do not load jack, but gives a long list of ridiculous errors. Jul 05 19:54:08 is this the place to ask user level questions for the touchpad? Jul 05 19:54:30 umm it is a place, but I don't think it is "the" place Jul 05 19:54:34 this is more for devs Jul 05 19:54:40 I loaded some pictures onto my tp using usb drive mode, but I can't figure out how to view them' Jul 05 19:54:44 but you are welcome to ask your question, and someone will answer if they know Jul 05 19:54:56 they dont show up in the photo's application? Jul 05 19:55:04 Flashpass, nope Jul 05 19:55:38 I put them in the "downloads" dir on the usb drive Jul 05 19:55:58 well, in a dir in the downloads dir Jul 05 19:56:37 it should see them there, but maybe try moving 1 photo around to different directories to see where it shows up Jul 05 19:57:29 seems like something this simple should be documented somewhere but I haven't found it Jul 05 19:57:42 doesn't help that the builtin help keeps saying "page not found" Jul 05 19:58:54 you're right, i'm not sure what the deal is there - I've thinks in subfolders on my pre's and it always sees them, I haven't tried on my touchpad yet though Jul 05 19:59:09 when I downloaded an image from the web it noticed it too Jul 05 20:00:08 I wonder if there is a way to make it "re-scan" though I don't understand why I can't just browse to the location Jul 05 20:00:32 *cough* USB Mode Bug *cough* Jul 05 20:01:23 linuxjacques: Just for a test, reboot your TouchPad and open the photo app again Jul 05 20:01:39 NuttyBunny, OK Jul 05 20:02:59 CSS question: how do I position something 5px from the bottom of the screen but centered horiz ? Jul 05 20:02:59 hey dkirker Jul 05 20:03:34 (still rebooting) Jul 05 20:04:08 * PatrickC thinks there should be a "palm-generate-enyo" cmd Jul 05 20:04:23 NuttyBunny, I still don't see them Jul 05 20:05:10 linuxjacques: Where did you store them? If you save them in a hidden folder (starting with a dot), you won't see them either Jul 05 20:05:34 PatrickC: There's no need. All you need is icon.png, app_info.json, depends.js and index.html, after that, there's no restriction on layout Jul 05 20:05:37 NuttyBunny, in downloads/test00/ on the usb drive Jul 05 20:05:59 PatrickC: You could always create a quick bash script to do it for you if you wanted Jul 05 20:06:10 Popple3: but it would be nice to have it pre-populate the appinfo, depends, and index Jul 05 20:06:21 Popple3: that saying I know how to ;) Jul 05 20:06:36 NuttyBunny: get my IM? Jul 05 20:06:41 PatrickC: it's simple Jul 05 20:06:43 :P Jul 05 20:06:46 hehe Jul 05 20:06:57 echo "file content" > file.ext Jul 05 20:06:59 buuttt.. I have to finish my current app(s) first Jul 05 20:07:09 linuxjacques: mmm... what happens if you put them in /test00 in the usb drive? (perhaps it won't show subdirs) Jul 05 20:07:55 PatrickC: Can we do polls there? Jul 05 20:08:03 yeah Jul 05 20:08:04 yeah i'd try just grabbing 1 photo and putting it in the root dir to see if it works Jul 05 20:08:38 I just unmounted the USB drive from my laptop, unplugged the cable, and got an error message on the tp saying I had not unmounted it from the desktop Jul 05 20:08:57 and now it says "some data was damaged but has been recovered" Jul 05 20:09:02 haha Jul 05 20:09:10 maybe got inb some wierd state Jul 05 20:09:32 is it there now? lol Jul 05 20:09:49 linuxjacques: How did you eject it? (and from which OS) Jul 05 20:09:51 and now the image I copied into /downloads is seen *as well as* the test00 subdir Jul 05 20:09:53 linuxjacques: Had that with my Pre 2 before, it just takes a moment for the device to realise it's unmounted Jul 05 20:10:07 NuttyBunny, linux, I did "sudo umount /mnt/sdb1" Jul 05 20:10:26 I *did* unplug the cable pretty soon after the umount Jul 05 20:10:55 so it just seems flaky - now it sees the subdir Jul 05 20:10:57 linuxjacques: I may have to restart my phone after this test :P hold on Jul 05 20:11:02 (and the images in it) Jul 05 20:11:10 Yep, it's flaky to say the least Jul 05 20:11:34 I'm anxiously awaiting the tp update Jul 05 20:11:58 * PatrickC is anxiously awaiting the touchpad period Jul 05 20:12:11 I'm buying my TP tonight Jul 05 20:12:13 I think Jul 05 20:12:20 I'm waiting for an email back Jul 05 20:12:23 linuxjacques: bah, it's been like that since 2.0 :P Do you have the "eject" command on your linux? Jul 05 20:12:34 I'll probably request a 16GB if I'm not a blackbelt.. Jul 05 20:12:41 PatrickC: Is that what happens when a TouchPad reaches puberty? :P Jul 05 20:12:47 I don't think I'm a blackbelt.. haha Jul 05 20:12:47 Jul 05 20:12:56 * halfhalo is a nobelt Jul 05 20:12:57 Popple3: .... Jul 05 20:12:58 lol Jul 05 20:13:06 halfhalo should fix that Jul 05 20:13:07 halfhalo: me too bro Jul 05 20:13:08 * NuttyBunny is at least greenbelt Jul 05 20:13:22 same here NuttyBunny Jul 05 20:13:40 ditto Jul 05 20:13:52 I wonder what they do for Senior Forum members though.. the only time that being active in the forum is mentioned is for the Black Belt.. Jul 05 20:14:03 one day though, I shall rise up through the rankings, only for HP to change to program and make me feel little again :P Jul 05 20:14:03 lol Jul 05 20:14:08 * halfhalo waits for super secret backup plan to go into action Jul 05 20:14:30 seekrit? do tell Jul 05 20:14:32 Popple3: lol Jul 05 20:14:40 its secret, duh. Jul 05 20:15:02 * Popple3 wishes he had a never ending can of coke Jul 05 20:15:04 I want to know the seekrit Jul 05 20:15:11 who will help me to port my enyo app to use canvas? :'( Jul 05 20:15:25 NuttyBunny: I would Jul 05 20:15:28 its secret until at least tomorrow Jul 05 20:15:28 if I could :) Jul 05 20:15:40 Popple3: Dr. Pepper all the way Jul 05 20:15:41 PatrickC: Don't go getting NuttyBunny's hopes up :P Jul 05 20:15:47 halfhalo: I expect an email first thing tomorrow then Jul 05 20:15:49 PatrickC: Oh GOD no! D: Jul 05 20:15:49 * PatrickC hides Jul 05 20:16:02 Popple3: why?!?! Jul 05 20:16:07 * NuttyBunny slaps PatrickC :P Jul 05 20:16:07 Dr. Pepper is AMAZING! Jul 05 20:16:09 NuttyBunny: I've messed about with canvas before, so I might be able to help a _little_ Jul 05 20:16:28 but I scrapped canvas and went with SVG at the time, so yeah :P Jul 05 20:16:36 webOS needs SVG support dammit! Jul 05 20:16:46 * PatrickC wishes SVG was supported by webos too Jul 05 20:16:52 then I'd just use Raphael.js and get it over and done with :P Jul 05 20:16:56 nobody on the CSS question? Jul 05 20:17:12 haeffb: I believe I missed it, what was it? Jul 05 20:17:17 ^^ same Jul 05 20:17:20 Popple3: Is there a way to copy Image kinds inside the canvas? to somehow duplicate the same scene I have in the webkit browser inside the canvas element? Jul 05 20:17:20 CSS question: how do I position something 5px from the bottom of the screen but centered horiz ? Jul 05 20:17:37 position: fixed lets me to the 5px, but not centered Jul 05 20:17:39 haeffb: Is the something of a fixed width? Jul 05 20:17:39 haeffb: use CSS.. duh Jul 05 20:17:42 * PatrickC hides Jul 05 20:18:00 /kick PatrickC Jul 05 20:18:00 :P Jul 05 20:18:03 text-align: center; doesn't work for fixed Jul 05 20:18:05 hehe Jul 05 20:18:08 it's a catch 22 Jul 05 20:18:18 then catch 23? :) Jul 05 20:18:23 haeffb: is your something of a fixed width dammit? Jul 05 20:18:24 lol Jul 05 20:18:25 Jul 05 20:18:59 no, not fixed width Jul 05 20:19:04 m'kay Jul 05 20:19:06 it's an arbitrary text string Jul 05 20:19:08 haeffb: Use setStyle with "left: <(maxwidth-width)/2>", then render it Jul 05 20:19:09 haeffb: what about margin-left auto; margin-right: auto; ? Jul 05 20:19:13 ah, text? Jul 05 20:19:17 "Mind you, I think that having the community offer to pay for your travel expenses to attend developer events is evidence enough that PatrickC should be considered for a Brown or Black Belt." Jul 05 20:19:30 ^^ from the forums on dev.palm.com :) Jul 05 20:19:41 ah, lemme -1 that Jul 05 20:19:51 PatrickC: I think he meant _if_ enough people would, then it'd prove it Jul 05 20:19:57 PatrickC: Not that people would :P Jul 05 20:20:44 I don't think that his is a problem. Just ask for us to donate for a flight here and on precentral, I think this could be done pretty fast. Jul 05 20:20:50 ^^ another post directed to me :) Jul 05 20:20:53 * haeffb once paid to send oil far far away Jul 05 20:21:05 haeffb: In a barrel? :P Jul 05 20:21:41 haeffb: you did the world a favor :P Jul 05 20:21:50 but he came back? Jul 05 20:22:25 Popple3: look at this thread: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&p=80422#p80422 page 2 :) Jul 05 20:22:27 summatusmentis: that puts it all the way left Jul 05 20:22:28 NuttyBunny, is eject different from unmount? I thought they were the same - I mounted it manually and umounted manually Jul 05 20:23:01 haeffb: using both of them? Jul 05 20:23:03 weird Jul 05 20:23:08 yep Jul 05 20:23:12 CSS and I aren't friends, so I don't really know Jul 05 20:23:21 * haeffb hates having to work with CSS Jul 05 20:23:32 linuxjacques: In windows world they ask you to eject, and eject works ("safe disconnect" don't). I always use eject in linux Jul 05 20:23:38 NuttyBunny: I don't see a poll :) Jul 05 20:24:01 I use Eject.. safe disconnect breaks devices imho Jul 05 20:24:01 especially with mojo - tedious having to change some small thing, run on emu or device, see that it didn't work, start over Jul 05 20:24:03 haeffb: Wait, I'm confused... Do you want the text to fill the width, but be centred? Jul 05 20:24:19 no, just be centered 5px from the bottom of the window Jul 05 20:24:38 seems like it should be easy, but I can't get there Jul 05 20:24:40 but the text would fill the width if need be, right? Jul 05 20:24:45 if need be Jul 05 20:24:51 but it'll never get that big Jul 05 20:25:17 are you using position:absolute; for it? Jul 05 20:26:14 crap Jul 05 20:26:25 I thought events that were propogated multiple levels Jul 05 20:26:30 onEvent: doEvent Jul 05 20:26:43 would return the starting point for the inSender Jul 05 20:26:44 here's what I have that doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/Z8Z5XiX1 Jul 05 20:27:01 Tibfib: nope, you have to send it along each level Jul 05 20:27:11 haeffb: that's not what I meant :( Jul 05 20:27:28 position: fixed and position: absolute both seem to break text-align: center; Jul 05 20:27:41 but I can't go 5px from bottom without one of those two... ? Jul 05 20:27:53 I know I have to send it every level, but I thought in the handle at the top of the stack, inSender would be where the event started, but it is not Jul 05 20:27:55 can't you set a bottom padding? Jul 05 20:28:03 * NuttyBunny thinks in tables Jul 05 20:28:08 haeffb: I had an issue with that before Jul 05 20:28:16 try setting margin: auto Jul 05 20:28:34 haeffb: left:0;right:0; Jul 05 20:28:37 but you will have to hard code the width if you do that I believe Jul 05 20:28:47 bbl study time Jul 05 20:29:41 Popple3 wins!!!!! Jul 05 20:29:46 w00t! Jul 05 20:29:57 * Tibfib poop. Jul 05 20:30:05 don't know why I /me'd that Jul 05 20:30:07 that's just beautiful Jul 05 20:30:44 haeffb: It wasn't filling the whole width, so it basically floated over to the left Jul 05 20:31:04 so the text was actually centered, but the element itself wasn't Jul 05 20:31:10 ah... Jul 05 20:31:15 guess that makes sense Jul 05 20:38:16 you know what? Done! really does look like a yellow legal pad on the TP Jul 05 20:40:04 haeffb: That was your final issue? Jul 05 20:42:05 What are you making? Jul 05 20:43:47 no, got plenty more. Jul 05 20:44:02 working on converting Done! to be used on TouchPad Jul 05 20:44:08 adding back buttons, etc. Jul 05 20:44:43 oh right Jul 05 20:44:44 lol Jul 05 20:44:53 I thought you were saying it was don Jul 05 20:44:54 Lol Jul 05 20:44:54 *done Jul 05 20:44:55 lol Jul 05 20:45:13 haeffb: Looking back, I'm sure you can see how I interpreted it as that :P Jul 05 20:46:16 just making the observation...the size of the TP is much closer to an actual legal pad Jul 05 20:46:45 yeah, but I saw "you know what? Done!" Jul 05 20:46:46 lol Jul 05 20:47:05 * Popple3 never heard of Done! before :P Jul 05 20:48:56 yo Jul 05 20:49:00 mama Jul 05 20:49:18 so Jul 05 20:50:40 anyone get a response for dev price tpad ordering? Jul 05 20:51:13 * Popple3 is disappointed nobody said "fat" Jul 05 20:51:15 anywho Jul 05 20:51:23 codeslaw: Nope, nothing yet here anyway Jul 05 20:51:32 damn Jul 05 20:51:35 I emailed just asking where I'd fall in the Belt System Jul 05 20:51:38 no response so far. Jul 05 20:51:58 the what system? Jul 05 20:52:07 hey, ya know, without us they wouldn't have had a Twitter app at laucnh Jul 05 20:52:09 but ya know Jul 05 20:52:12 no sweat 8D Jul 05 20:52:21 they are probably still drunk from the release party celebrations :) Jul 05 20:52:24 funkatron: psh. Jul 05 20:52:38 maik: https://developer.palm.com/content/community/hp_webos_developer_benefits.html Jul 05 20:52:40 Emergency Lights update still hasn't pushed through :/ Jul 05 20:52:58 funkatron: I could've done an awesome Twitter app, I just decided to give your 15mins of fame... >.> :P Jul 05 20:53:06 * Popple3 runs away Jul 05 20:53:21 hi PatrickC Jul 05 20:53:22 anyone can make *a* Twitter app Jul 05 20:53:33 funkatron: I did say an awesome one :P Jul 05 20:53:40 funkatron: not any more Jul 05 20:53:41 well there ya go Jul 05 20:53:47 funkatron: interesting Jul 05 20:53:58 * Popple3 probably would've failed miserably at building "an awesome" twitter client Jul 05 20:54:07 is Twitter still giving out api keys? Jul 05 20:54:42 Yeah, they're just saying you shouldn't develop traditional clients Jul 05 20:54:52 (I think) Jul 05 20:54:53 I see Jul 05 20:55:13 yes. Jul 05 20:55:18 for now. Jul 05 20:59:30 dkirker: how's it goin? Jul 05 20:59:46 busy, as usual Jul 05 20:59:53 oh my goodnesss Jul 05 20:59:57 I'm failing at enyo right now Jul 05 21:00:18 having a kind create a drawer with a list of that same kind is a bad idea Jul 05 21:00:26 Patc any email yet? Jul 05 21:00:43 ctladvance: nope Jul 05 21:00:54 * akanster just realized how many braces, curly brackets and square brackets Enyo uses. Jul 05 21:01:07 akanster: It's mesmerising Jul 05 21:01:26 I guess they got several hundred requests from over the weekend Jul 05 21:01:27 akanster: a good text editor is key to success Jul 05 21:01:39 * Tibfib hopes to at least buy a touchpad this weeek Jul 05 21:01:40 Tibfib: Notepad++ is my friend Jul 05 21:01:47 yeah Jul 05 21:01:55 akanster: same here Jul 05 21:01:57 ctladvance: I'd imagine so. Still, I would think they'd process it first come first serverd Jul 05 21:02:00 *served Jul 05 21:02:08 Popple3: yeah Jul 05 21:02:22 I hope so, I've been asking since last year Jul 05 21:02:29 I emailed around 11am on friday. I'm sure tons of people emailed before me Jul 05 21:02:38 ctladvance: About touchpad dev pricing? O.o Jul 05 21:02:49 Well to get one Jul 05 21:02:53 ctladvance: lol Jul 05 21:03:03 Dev device prototype etc Jul 05 21:03:27 "Can I have a product that isn't even announced, let alone near done, and the OS is still not started yet?" Jul 05 21:03:29 * PatrickC ducks Jul 05 21:03:39 lol Jul 05 21:03:51 wait, what about my [REDACTED FOR YOUR SAFTEY] Jul 05 21:04:07 PatrickC: Protip: don't duck to early, give the attacker a chance to redirect their swing :P Jul 05 21:04:24 Popple3: ah, good tip :P Jul 05 21:04:31 halfhalo: un redact please Jul 05 21:04:41 oops, that was quite the grammar fail Jul 05 21:04:52 s//to/too Jul 05 21:04:52 psh Jul 05 21:04:54 blah Jul 05 21:05:03 s/give/don't give Jul 05 21:05:09 Is there a channel for touchpad users? Jul 05 21:05:19 That's what I was asking for, they had them, but few were denied Jul 05 21:05:19 Arturas: right here :) Jul 05 21:05:34 this is for devs actually Jul 05 21:05:37 but fire away Jul 05 21:05:48 most devs also use the touchpad Jul 05 21:05:51 ctladvance: "few were denied" so they were giving out prototypes to anyone who asked? Jul 05 21:05:52 or emulator Jul 05 21:06:10 there is no channel for general consumer stuff, so really this is the only place to go :P Jul 05 21:06:16 No few wAs an auto correct error Jul 05 21:06:24 ah Jul 05 21:07:09 ctladvance: iphone or itouch? :) Jul 05 21:07:21 U2 Jul 05 21:07:24 Ugh Jul 05 21:07:26 :) Jul 05 21:07:30 lol Jul 05 21:07:31 Ok. I skyped earlier with my bro but I couldn't manage to get my video to broadcast. The forums haven't touched on this problem. Bandwidth is 20mb down/ 60 up Jul 05 21:07:36 iPhone 4 Jul 05 21:07:55 ctladvance: nice. why isn't that a pre2? :) Jul 05 21:08:02 I'm on my pre since my lunch was a fast on Jul 05 21:08:04 wow, this is not good: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15925&start=25 Jul 05 21:08:04 PatrickC: There is no such thing as the iTouch.... It's the iPod Touch -___- :P Jul 05 21:08:13 Popple3: hahaha Jul 05 21:08:16 Lol had a pre2 until march Jul 05 21:08:36 This destroys it... Hoping pre3 fixes that Jul 05 21:08:50 I also get disgusting battery life Jul 05 21:09:04 do you have the pre2 paired with the tp now? Jul 05 21:09:50 Who? Me Jul 05 21:09:55 * PatrickC will pair his Pre- to his tp Jul 05 21:09:56 yeah Jul 05 21:10:04 No. I'm running a pre- and was using home wifi Jul 05 21:10:28 I think that more people will go back to webos for that feature Jul 05 21:10:42 meh Jul 05 21:10:42 While I will pair my pre-,it wasn't at the time Jul 05 21:10:45 No, don't have a tp yet, using a 10.1 now for phonegap purposes Jul 05 21:10:50 http://diveintohtml5.org/canvas.html *NICE* ;) Jul 05 21:11:09 anyone have a pre- with 2.1 *and* a touchpad? Jul 05 21:11:41 No just 1.4.5 Jul 05 21:11:43 oh, and is there an m4a audio player for webos?, Jul 05 21:11:59 Tibfib: does koto support m4a? Jul 05 21:12:06 . Jul 05 21:12:12 you mean, does palm support m4a? Jul 05 21:12:31 I play m4a through the streaming app fine Jul 05 21:12:47 if I go into Internalz, find the file, and click open it works fine Jul 05 21:13:09 does the file show up in the stock music player? Jul 05 21:13:31 idk.. the stock music player always has a big spinner over the screen when I launch it Jul 05 21:13:32 * Loudergood knows where he's putting his money Jul 05 21:13:44 PatrickC: you ran into the palm media permissions bug Jul 05 21:13:47 lemme find you an ipk Jul 05 21:13:52 ok. Jul 05 21:13:56 http://forums.precentral.net/hedami/277378-cant-play-anything-today.html#post2903551 Jul 05 21:14:16 and read the directions Jul 05 21:14:29 thanks Jul 05 21:14:35 I'll install w/ preware Jul 05 21:16:45 right, I'm off to go socialise IRL :P Jul 05 21:16:54 Tibfib: didn't install.. Jul 05 21:16:54 my flatmate is in the sitting room all alone Jul 05 21:16:59 I'll try with internals Jul 05 21:17:03 PatrickC: You didn't read it, did you? Jul 05 21:17:08 I did lol Jul 05 21:17:12 PatrickC: It runs a script and uninstalls it Jul 05 21:17:14 It should install. Jul 05 21:17:15 *itself Jul 05 21:17:16 remember, when chrome says, "failed to find a constructor for kind [blah]" Check your depends.js Jul 05 21:17:25 30 mins well spent :( Jul 05 21:17:27 it stayed at the "downloading/installing" screen Jul 05 21:17:31 oh right Jul 05 21:17:32 akanster: ah, yeah, sorry! Jul 05 21:17:34 I'll shut up now Jul 05 21:17:43 and in the IPKG log it didn't pass the identify Jul 05 21:17:45 PatrickC: how did you get the ipk? Jul 05 21:17:45 * NuttyBunny has earned the power of CANVAS :D Jul 05 21:17:50 to preware Jul 05 21:18:00 earned, or learned? Jul 05 21:18:00 copy/paste link Jul 05 21:18:04 or burned? Jul 05 21:18:04 anyone know why i get the following error in eclipse when trying to view app in emulator --> Not allowed to load local resource: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86 .... Jul 05 21:18:09 NuttyBunny: YEAH!! Jul 05 21:19:02 PatrickC: the link of the precentral post? Jul 05 21:19:07 yeah Jul 05 21:19:08 adi?s guys Jul 05 21:19:09 from Jay Jul 05 21:19:13 adi?s Jul 05 21:19:17 cya Popple3 lol Jul 05 21:19:18 PatrickC: not the link of the attachment? Jul 05 21:19:19 hmmmm... is that a ? for others? Jul 05 21:19:24 lol Jul 05 21:19:33 anyway, later Jul 05 21:19:35 Tibfib: nope.. the dropbox link -» http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2774158/ca.canucksoftware.mediapermission.bugfix_1.0.0_all.ipk Jul 05 21:20:17 ah, carry on Jul 05 21:20:24 it didn't work Jul 05 21:20:28 LoneStar: What is the full path? Jul 05 21:20:33 I think you're doing something wrong PatrickC Jul 05 21:20:34 it hung at the "Identify" part Jul 05 21:20:37 it has worked for lots of peeps Jul 05 21:20:53 LoneStar: Are you trying to load a resource outside of your project directory? Jul 05 21:20:56 tibfib: I clicked "Install Package" then pasted the IPK, then clicked Install Jul 05 21:21:43 PatrickC: you're doing it wrong Jul 05 21:21:44 do it right. Jul 05 21:21:53 how else do you do it? Jul 05 21:21:56 internalz? Jul 05 21:22:02 I don't have qi near Jul 05 21:22:13 Internalz is supposed to work Jul 05 21:22:36 preware is also supposed to work Jul 05 21:24:05 Tibfib: M4A is suppose to open up in the "Music" app according to the "Default Apps" Jul 05 21:24:25 PatrickC: Your issue is with the media indexer Jul 05 21:24:32 Koto shows the files providied by the media indexer Jul 05 21:24:37 I know.. but m4a is supported Jul 05 21:25:00 get thee to the forums and report the bug Jul 05 21:25:09 trying to install with internalz Jul 05 21:25:14 dkirker: [20110705-13:23:21.986288] error: Not allowed to load local resource: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/HP%20webOS/SDK/share/refcode/webos-framework/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js [20110705-13:23:21.986381] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: enyo is not defined, index.html:9 Jul 05 21:25:23 Loudergood: I'm on the forums using something provided by JayCannuk :) Jul 05 21:26:11 LoneStar99: hmmmm... that is unusual. Jul 05 21:26:22 * Tibfib "git stash's todays work and starts over" Jul 05 21:26:36 Tibfib: I'm just gonna run the cmd's and be done with it.. Jul 05 21:26:57 LoneStar99: using chrome? Jul 05 21:27:06 Make sure you have the proper flags enabled. Jul 05 21:27:26 Tibfib: yeah but chrome gives me tons of errors Jul 05 21:27:35 ? Jul 05 21:27:43 so unusable for enyo testing my app Jul 05 21:28:01 So what are you using? Jul 05 21:28:16 safari works, except for ajax calls Jul 05 21:28:17 lol Jul 05 21:28:37 a cluster of problems, each tool with it's own set of issues... Jul 05 21:28:50 LoneStar99: that error you posted is something you can fix by passing the right startup flags to chrome. Jul 05 21:28:53 * Tibfib has had 0 issues with chrome Jul 05 21:29:59 * haeffb has 0 issues with chrome Jul 05 21:30:02 aaaand I'm back Jul 05 21:30:21 that's my weekly socialising done Jul 05 21:30:22 lol Jul 05 21:30:33 (flatmate was in the middle of watching Fast and Furious, so I didn't bother joining in) Jul 05 21:30:51 grr... Jul 05 21:31:15 xterm/terminus don't support the sym key.. :/ Jul 05 21:32:23 funkatron: chrome was working, then not sure what code i added or removed, now it gives error, "Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [Slider]" + "XMLHttpRequest cannot load file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/HP%20webOS/SDK/share/refcode/webos-framework/enyo/1.0/framework/framework_config.json. Cross origin requests are only supported for HTTP. enyo-build.js:1784Uncaught Error: NETWORK_ERR: XMLHttpRequest Exception 101" Jul 05 21:32:46 craziness Jul 05 21:33:00 without seeing how you are starting chrome, I can't help Jul 05 21:33:03 LoneStar: see your depends.js Jul 05 21:33:16 for the first one Jul 05 21:33:20 but you have to start it from the terminal, with certain flags set to allow local file access Jul 05 21:33:22 or see syntax errors Jul 05 21:33:38 and you can't have google open before you launch from terminal with the flags Jul 05 21:33:48 you mean chrome, yeah Jul 05 21:33:55 it can't run multiple instances Jul 05 21:34:00 "the google" Jul 05 21:34:14 lol Jul 05 21:34:25 ok, i will try something else command line package my app then send to emulator Jul 05 21:34:35 if you wanna run multiple instances, you could run canary alongside your normal chrome Jul 05 21:34:59 "the google chrome" don't like my enyo code =( Jul 05 21:35:08 funkatron: yeah, that thing Jul 05 21:35:19 LoneStar99: this is the bash script I use to run chrome for testing: http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/8055ab10884ec1f9c74d99f238644ae6.txt Jul 05 21:39:19 funkatron: thanks, but running stupid Win7... Jul 05 21:39:30 wah wah wah Jul 05 21:39:37 LoneStar99: same args. you can adapt 8) Jul 05 21:43:14 funkatron: ok, will check it out more in abit Jul 05 21:44:41 these are emulator errors -->http://pastebin.com/LDNsqyaW Jul 05 21:48:07 LoneStar99, Are you using tellurium? Jul 05 21:50:35 NuttyBunny: i have read api stuff on tellurium, is it simply not enyo? Jul 05 21:51:51 LoneStar99: I have no idea at all ;) Jul 05 21:55:17 weird Jul 05 22:03:52 NuttyBunny: chuq replied to the forum Jul 05 22:06:08 PatrickC: Awesome. Now to wait for the official "yes" Jul 05 22:06:15 yeah Jul 05 22:08:11 "no, he didn't. first emails will be going out later today, as soon as I finish asnwering forum questions wondering why they haven't gotten emails on this yet... (grin)." Jul 05 22:08:19 from the famous Chuq! Jul 05 22:08:35 gotta love chuq Jul 05 22:09:00 PatrickC: whast that about? Jul 05 22:09:07 (and all the other dev rel guys of course) Jul 05 22:09:13 cwayne: webinars Jul 05 22:09:14 cwayne: tp promo Jul 05 22:09:19 Popple3: promo Jul 05 22:09:35 PatrickC: What? I thought you were referring to the webinar thing Jul 05 22:09:50 oh right sorry, the quote Jul 05 22:09:50 Popple3: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15808&start=0 Jul 05 22:09:51 derp Jul 05 22:09:54 lol Jul 05 22:11:03 didnt they already announce the dsicounts? Jul 05 22:11:10 yeah Jul 05 22:11:23 cwayne: Yeah, but he's saying the emails are starting to go out today about it Jul 05 22:11:25 emails will start going out to people who applied son Jul 05 22:12:04 cwayne: The other thing is that HP may possibly hold webinars for those who can't make it to webOS workshops which will count towards your belt status Jul 05 22:12:46 so, it appears that there's no way to use a FilterField or FilterList on the TouchPad Jul 05 22:12:56 Popple3: i sure hope so, cus thats whats holding me back :) Jul 05 22:14:17 * Popple3 sits and stares at Sparrow (mail client) Jul 05 22:14:38 cwayne: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833 Jul 05 22:14:59 also, think its a problem i sent the email directly to adam, instead of pdc? lol Jul 05 22:15:03 Popple3: I'm staring at my school listening for my phone to vibrate saying I have an email Jul 05 22:15:13 lol Jul 05 22:15:22 cwayne: I sent mine to pdc, and cc'd adora Jul 05 22:15:28 cwayne: Adam ignores me as well ;) Jul 05 22:15:34 PatrickC: why cc Adora? O.o Jul 05 22:15:48 Popple3: when I wa s typing that, my phone vib'd I got a email from iTunes haha Jul 05 22:15:53 adela* Jul 05 22:15:59 PatrickC: ah, ok Jul 05 22:16:01 my dev rep :) Jul 05 22:16:04 lol :P Jul 05 22:16:20 http://m.precentral.net/tweak-your-touchpad-launcher-pages-coming-soon :/ Jul 05 22:16:56 what are you guys emailing PDC for? Jul 05 22:17:01 the loaner prog? Jul 05 22:17:07 akanster: discount program Jul 05 22:17:10 ah Jul 05 22:17:31 yep Jul 05 22:17:55 "Made for HP webOS" Icon Emerges @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/made-for-hp-webos-icon-emerges/ Jul 05 22:17:58 YEAH!!! Jul 05 22:18:15 Yeah, I saw that somewhere Jul 05 22:19:50 time to study for my English test... Jul 05 22:20:48 PatrickC: Heh, boy am I glad I don't have to study English anymore Jul 05 22:20:53 lol Jul 05 22:21:05 I speak American. what is this "English" you speak of? Jul 05 22:21:13 Ye Olde English Jul 05 22:22:33 wow.. I can use the Enyo Feedreader app with minor adjustments and make my app :D Jul 05 22:22:57 I'm writing an app that auths to a web service by doing an HTTP POST via an enyo.WebService. The service I am authing to will respond with a cookie. The auth token and the auth status is in the cookie. How can I query or view that cookie? inResponse in the onSuccess function? If so what methods / properties? Thanks Jul 05 22:23:27 I've been tearing through the docs but I haven't found anything Jul 05 22:27:14 zylogz80: getResponseHeader("Cookie") ? Jul 05 22:27:50 I'm looking at the XMLHttpRequest docs, but that should be in the response object Jul 05 22:28:07 WebService just wraps around it anyway Jul 05 22:28:40 Popple3, cool - I'll give that a shot. I'll read up on XMLHttpRequest too - I probably could have figured that out if I knew more about the dirty internals of HTTP - this is my first time doing this sort of development Jul 05 22:29:39 zylogz80: XMLHttpRequest is pretty easy to implement yourself anyway. I actually don't use WebService, I just use XMLHttpRequest. Keeps the same function compatible with both Mojo and Enyo Jul 05 22:29:56 * NuttyBunny exits Jul 05 22:30:14 Any ideas how to perform getglue oAuth authentication on Enyo ? I know how to get oauth_token and oauth_token_secret using oAuth kind from forum but I don't have idea how to do more. Jul 05 22:31:13 ddluk: I'm not 100% on the workings of OAuth, but I think you just pass oauth_token and oauth_token_secret with your request, and that'll authorise the user Jul 05 22:31:25 ddluk: I'm not entirely sure though, there's probably more to it than that Jul 05 22:31:38 * Popple3 reads up on OAuth Jul 05 22:31:59 yes, but after sending it I need to get values from headers Jul 05 22:32:21 Wait, GetGlue doesn't have a webOS app? Their iOS and Android apps are web apps O.o Jul 05 22:32:56 * PatrickC should have the first beta out in the next few days Jul 05 22:34:43 does anyone now what classes the mail app uses to display counts Jul 05 22:34:56 like the number of unread messages Jul 05 22:35:12 ddluk: it really depends on their oAuth implementation (v1 or v2) and even then, it varies a fair bit Jul 05 22:35:26 they are using v1 Jul 05 22:35:37 I would suggest the jsOAuth lib Jul 05 22:35:39 ya Jul 05 22:35:42 its not too bad Jul 05 22:35:47 that does a pretty good job of doing v1 stuff Jul 05 22:35:47 i got my oauth working :D Jul 05 22:36:16 I asked them for PIN based oAuth and they said that they are not going to support it right know Jul 05 22:36:24 right Jul 05 22:36:37 so they only to URL redirects? Jul 05 22:37:26 yah, so v1 oAuth is possible in Enyo ? Jul 05 22:37:31 yup Jul 05 22:37:41 yes Jul 05 22:37:43 look at funkatron's repo or mine for example Jul 05 22:37:50 really you're asking the wrong q tho Jul 05 22:37:53 but we both do pin Jul 05 22:38:10 Enyo doesn't have oAuth built in; JavaScript libs exist for oAuth, tho Jul 05 22:38:24 so, I'm recommending you use one of them Jul 05 22:38:33 yes, that. Jul 05 22:38:38 funkatron, i was thinking of making a generic jsOAuth/enyo component for people to use Jul 05 22:38:54 wouldn't be a bad idea, although some stuff I don't think really needs to be an Enyo kind Jul 05 22:39:18 yes, I know, but as I understand when user click authorize button I need to get oauth_token and oauth_token_secret from headers, how :) Jul 05 22:39:23 funkatron, any of the sites that use pins could us it Jul 05 22:39:29 but ya most of it does not need a kind Jul 05 22:39:59 ddluk: you want to use a library for it. trust me. the signing process you need to do for oAuth v1 is extremely complex. Jul 05 22:40:08 so. download the library and read the docs. Jul 05 22:40:11 * cwayne shudders at seeing oauth Jul 05 22:40:39 i found most the docs pretty lacking Jul 05 22:40:41 Popple3, cwayne: let me know if you just got an email Jul 05 22:40:43 had to actually look at the code Jul 05 22:40:47 PatrickC: I did Jul 05 22:40:53 yeah. they've gotten a bit better I htink Jul 05 22:41:00 funkatron: I've got the library and I stuck with getting values from header os WebView :) Jul 05 22:41:01 or just talk to bytespider on twitter about it Jul 05 22:41:02 Popple3: good Jul 05 22:41:11 * Popple3 click unsibscribe Jul 05 22:41:18 blah Jul 05 22:41:20 *headers Jul 05 22:41:25 my grammar is failing miserably today Jul 05 22:41:46 ddluk: without seeing all your code and such, I can't offer any specific advice. Jul 05 22:41:54 silly question, but there are no issues with two (or more) different onclick handlers calling the same function, right? Jul 05 22:41:54 * PatrickC kicks popple3 Jul 05 22:41:56 lol Jul 05 22:43:55 anyone? Jul 05 22:47:14 akanster: No, that's perfectly fine. No reason why not Jul 05 22:47:57 Popple3: you still in? Jul 05 22:48:03 PatrickC: Aye Jul 05 22:48:13 PatrickC: just cba replying on Posterous Jul 05 22:48:14 lol Jul 05 22:48:34 ok.. was wondering after the "Popple3 click unsibscribe" haha Jul 05 22:48:53 lol, I was kidding, though am changing it to daily digest instead Jul 05 22:48:56 thanks Popple3 Jul 05 22:49:04 just flooeded my emails :P Jul 05 22:49:08 *flooded Jul 05 22:49:37 lol ok Jul 05 22:49:59 don't be offended, I do the same for other groups :P Jul 05 22:50:16 Popple3: the title Postie is misleading.. fyi :) Jul 05 22:50:24 how so? O.o Jul 05 22:50:28 Postie is an addon for wordpress. Jul 05 22:50:53 I thought that's what the app was for at first.. unless the addon is for Posterous.. Jul 05 22:51:16 nope Jul 05 22:51:24 just lets you email posts to your wordpress blog Jul 05 22:51:57 that's what I thought your "Postie" was :) Jul 05 22:52:14 maybe changing the name to "Postie for Posterous" or something? Jul 05 22:52:40 just a thought ;) Jul 05 22:53:31 I like it nice and short, but yeah, it might help people be like "Oh, nice *buys*" Jul 05 22:54:50 yeah. maybe Jul 05 22:55:29 once this file finishes compressing, I'll uncompress another file, and start dev :) Jul 05 22:55:44 PuffTheMagic: Here's how I implemented a count badge: http://pastebin.com/5ZAUsz9p Jul 05 22:59:09 what books would people recommend for helping someone learn to program on webos? Jul 05 22:59:30 RagingMind: What are these books you speak of...? :P Jul 05 22:59:35 RagingMind: developer.palm.com Jul 05 22:59:40 I get all I need from the internetz Jul 05 22:59:42 haeffb, i actually just got it working Jul 05 22:59:52 found the example in the email app Jul 05 23:00:07 RagingMind: I use docs Jul 05 23:00:27 Javascript: The Good Parts Jul 05 23:00:35 thanks though Jul 05 23:00:35 how many years til the Pre3 is available to developers? Jul 05 23:01:05 I'd rather have a book to help me with javascript at least Jul 05 23:01:06 jgw: they have to announce a launch date first Jul 05 23:01:21 RagingMind: Eloquent Javascript Jul 05 23:01:27 haeffb, is that book good for someone that only has a semester of C++? Jul 05 23:01:55 RagingMind: that's for JS. not C++ Jul 05 23:02:09 PatrickC, YES Jul 05 23:02:10 I'd recommend it to anyone Jul 05 23:02:19 haeffb, http://ompldr.org/vOWRmdQ/mendeley5.png :D Jul 05 23:02:22 PatrickC, you missed the point entirely Jul 05 23:02:24 I loved Eloquent Jul 05 23:02:36 Eloquent is amazing for the beginer. Jul 05 23:02:46 ah, I see now RagingMind Jul 05 23:03:10 sorry... just got up from a nap. slightly cranky Jul 05 23:03:25 jgw: october, november i guess Jul 05 23:03:27 its ok :) Jul 05 23:03:37 robotz: :( Jul 05 23:04:15 for development... I just *never* close Chrome :) Jul 05 23:04:28 keeps from having to always to the stupid trigger lol Jul 05 23:07:42 gn8 Jul 05 23:08:42 wow.. Arthur Thornton is awesome Jul 05 23:08:48 what Jul 05 23:08:59 PatrickC: ...? Jul 05 23:09:07 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/extended_enyo_tutorial.html Jul 05 23:09:21 ah right, taht Jul 05 23:09:24 *that Jul 05 23:09:58 makes me life so much easier :) Jul 05 23:10:03 and much nicer Jul 05 23:12:02 Popple3, so the HTTP request header stores the cookie from the server in the Set-Cookie field (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_header_fields) but the XMLRequestHeader javascript object specifically filters out Set-Cookie fields from the header and wont return them (according to http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/) so I need to do some research and figure out how the heck people do this in other clients on other pla Jul 05 23:12:02 tforms :) thanks for pointing me in the right dierction though Jul 05 23:14:45 but maybe I can just use a document.cookie... Jul 05 23:15:18 my pre2 has so many issues... Jul 05 23:16:13 Hello Jul 05 23:16:38 brb.. gotta reboot.. stupid pre2 Jul 05 23:19:29 should I look into a book on html(5)? Jul 05 23:19:51 RagingMind: how familiar are you with developer.palm.com? Jul 05 23:20:25 I've poked at it, but it's really not a way that's good for me to learn with Jul 05 23:21:06 oh? are you not wanting to develop webos apps? and just web apps instead? Jul 05 23:21:45 eventual aim is webos, but when I was on the developer website the examples don't really explain the low basics Jul 05 23:22:17 might try http://diveintohtml5.org at first, then. Jul 05 23:22:19 the example doesn't do anything for me if I"m just copying and pasting and it's left to me to figure out why the syntax provided is working Jul 05 23:22:23 and then a gentle intro to javascript Jul 05 23:23:10 kk, thanks :) Jul 05 23:30:23 oil, PuffTheMagic: ping Jul 05 23:30:34 the wIRC header says "Wire" Jul 05 23:31:06 like, the top bar thing? Jul 05 23:31:13 where it changes phrases? Jul 05 23:31:50 yeah Jul 05 23:31:58 where it normally says "wIRC" Jul 05 23:32:18 oh, so it's not one of the randomly chosen phrases Jul 05 23:32:25 nope Jul 05 23:32:31 oh Jul 05 23:32:35 the main part of the top bar Jul 05 23:32:47 LOL Jul 05 23:32:52 did u read the tagline Jul 05 23:33:01 obviously not Jul 05 23:33:26 *** you autocorrect ? Jul 05 23:33:34 ya Jul 05 23:33:41 oh.. Jul 05 23:33:45 now I get it hahaha Jul 05 23:34:05 I remember that before, so just thought it was a random tagline lol Jul 05 23:34:15 * PuffTheMagic shakes head Jul 05 23:34:40 I assumed it was an auto-correct reference, I didn't realize that also changed the actual header sometimes Jul 05 23:35:38 enyo.. why??? Jul 05 23:39:28 * Loudergood could really use tts with his pc right now Jul 05 23:39:42 lol Jul 05 23:39:52 * PatrickC could really use a decent pc right now Jul 05 23:40:04 and some understanding on why this enyo isn't working.. Jul 05 23:40:50 figured it out... stupid cache Jul 05 23:41:30 and it works on my Pre2.. but not my desktop............ Jul 05 23:45:29 ah back to the PC Jul 05 23:46:15 ok - so I can't figure out how to read the cookie in the header via javascript - can I call a linux command from an enyo app? curl can get the cookie no problem. Jul 05 23:46:36 halfhalo: is rwhitby tweeting your secrets? Jul 05 23:47:28 I cannot figure out why this is being so complicated.. Jul 05 23:49:14 arrg.. Jul 05 23:51:19 so anyone any device emails yet? Jul 05 23:51:24 nope Jul 05 23:51:25 not yet Jul 05 23:51:39 I'm getting frustrated at enyo though :/ Jul 05 23:53:01 eh u should forget enyo and go straight html5/js Jul 05 23:53:02 :) Jul 05 23:53:09 hehe Jul 05 23:53:16 that won't work for me right now :) Jul 05 23:53:29 well.. it would. but I already have the UI done Jul 05 23:54:08 I need to find out how to fix this.. :/ Jul 05 23:56:41 are you checking your logs Jul 05 23:58:08 its not a problem that its not working.. its just not working how I want it Jul 06 00:00:45 I need help with views. I can't seem to navigate to my previously selected view using this.$.pane.selectView(this.$.pane.back()) Enyo is spitting out errors. Jul 06 00:01:12 arg.. Jul 06 00:05:53 haha wire title/tagline got ya Jul 06 00:05:54 awesome Jul 06 00:06:34 yeah lol Jul 06 00:06:47 now.. if I could only get this working... Jul 06 00:06:49 well done Jul 06 00:16:58 nevermind! brain fart! Jul 06 00:41:42 PuffTheMagic: very nice Jul 06 00:44:19 another touchpad giveaway Jul 06 00:44:20 http://www.facebook.com/TigerDirect?sk=app_172479526148725 Jul 06 00:44:29 oil: your search field in preware is just an input box? Jul 06 00:44:44 hm? Jul 06 00:45:21 haeffb: yeah, none of them are filterlists Jul 06 00:47:00 lucky you Jul 06 00:47:15 it's not a FilterFIeld, either...? Jul 06 00:49:30 is it creativity to hack HTML into an enyo app, or plain stupid. Jul 06 00:49:44 haeffb: no Jul 06 00:49:58 I solved all mah indexing issues today... I <3 P|C Jul 06 01:00:56 Its 6pm on the west coast, do you know where your device emails are? Jul 06 01:09:40 IGNTNUNLMTD, How?? Jul 06 01:09:51 IGNTNUNLMTD: I have the same issue now! help! :) Jul 06 01:09:59 I couldn't install the ipk Jul 06 01:10:22 One moment comrades, I will find the thread Jul 06 01:10:54 http://forums.precentral.net/3014873-post45.html Jul 06 01:10:59 Thar she blows! Jul 06 01:11:04 run that novaterm command Jul 06 01:11:10 and then restart the device Jul 06 01:11:13 and then profit Jul 06 01:11:21 worked on both the Pre2 and the TP Jul 06 01:12:07 awesome Jul 06 01:12:38 ◕ ‿ ◕ Jul 06 01:15:15 cmd's run Jul 06 01:15:23 but I'm in the middle of something Jul 06 01:15:27 so I can't restart Jul 06 01:17:03 hi guys Jul 06 01:17:15 (and gals) Jul 06 01:17:37 ((and transvestites)) Jul 06 01:19:11 got back from a grand ole 4th of july. tons of fun here Jul 06 01:22:13 uhh Jul 06 01:22:21 its been the 5th for like 21hours Jul 06 01:22:37 i know, i was at my cousins yesterday and stayed the night Jul 06 01:37:37 IGNTNUNLMTD: That doesn't work for me :P we have to find the reason it happens, not patch it that way. I cannot wait 6 minutes for a reboot each time I connect my Pre 2 to some computer :@ Jul 06 01:37:55 well I didn't say it was permanent Jul 06 01:38:29 Popple3: BTW, it's working!! :D I just have to adjust my coordinates system between enyo and canvas and IT WILL WORK! :D Jul 06 01:38:38 IGNTNUNLMTD: true :) Jul 06 01:38:40 brb Jul 06 01:38:44 kk Jul 06 01:45:06 anyone get a dev discount email? Jul 06 01:45:42 no Jul 06 01:46:03 i didn't apply for one Jul 06 01:46:27 ..yet Jul 06 01:46:56 how's spaz comin tib? Jul 06 01:47:51 not here Jul 06 01:47:57 been waiting since nov last year Jul 06 01:51:08 fxspec06: Not workingon it atm Jul 06 01:51:16 working on my google reader app Jul 06 01:51:22 tsktsktsk Jul 06 01:52:54 tsk tsk Jul 06 01:53:04 why can't you be more than one person Jul 06 01:53:16 you would have infinite workload capability Jul 06 01:53:18 that dude needs to quit fuckin around with his reader app Jul 06 01:53:42 you remind me of bender. Jul 06 01:54:03 bite his shiny metal ass? Jul 06 01:54:34 http://blogs.eveningsun.com/troublebrewing/bender.jpg Jul 06 01:54:55 * oil is glad its back Jul 06 01:55:30 so is there a TP wIRC? is it in preware? Jul 06 01:55:42 there is mojo-wirc formatted to work on touchpad Jul 06 01:55:51 the version in the testing feed Jul 06 01:55:57 yeah I don't care what framework it uses Jul 06 01:56:01 heh Jul 06 01:56:16 its 045 in the testing feed Jul 06 01:56:24 I suppose I should add that Jul 06 01:56:29 still needs a few more tweaks before its ready for prime time Jul 06 01:56:51 like when the keyboard shows up Jul 06 01:57:03 it covers the last few lines of messages and you ahve to scroll it back up Jul 06 01:57:32 ah yeah Jul 06 01:57:36 but other then that it works Jul 06 01:57:46 tab for nick autocomplete and everything :) Jul 06 01:58:18 nice! Jul 06 01:58:28 I need to look at your algo for that, then steal it Jul 06 01:58:38 who was it that made that paste app Jul 06 01:58:38 egaudet wrote it Jul 06 01:58:46 i downloaded on pre 2 and it doesn't work Jul 06 01:58:51 i just hacked it to work with tab instead of meta+orange Jul 06 02:08:58 Hi, I compiled my pdk app and when I start from cmdline with jailer everything is fine. But when I tap the icon nothing happens. Log says: [App] already running. Not launching Jul 06 02:09:03 anyone an idea? Jul 06 02:10:47 is it already running? Jul 06 02:10:50 no Jul 06 02:11:19 are you sure? Jul 06 02:11:24 yes Jul 06 02:15:07 what are the stupid command i need to enter in windows cmd to allow files to be viewed in chrome? Jul 06 02:15:14 lol Jul 06 02:15:18 i knew you would ask again Jul 06 02:15:31 --allow-file-access-from-files --enable-file-cookies -disable-web-security Jul 06 02:15:37 save in txt on desktop now plz Jul 06 02:15:38 lol Jul 06 02:15:40 yeah i had to restart computer, and i guess that stuff does not stay in memory... Jul 06 02:15:47 yeah Jul 06 02:15:50 lol yeah, i usually do... Jul 06 02:15:51 only for current session Jul 06 02:15:55 thanks Jul 06 02:16:05 notepad in taskbar == best thing i have ever done Jul 06 02:16:07 lol Jul 06 02:18:59 ok almost saved Jul 06 02:19:17 no wonder funkatron has a script, i know now! Jul 06 02:19:22 yep 8 Jul 06 02:19:23 8) Jul 06 02:19:59 * Tibfib has the command built into his chrome shortcut Jul 06 02:20:25 just add them after chrome itself in the shortcut target Jul 06 02:21:28 Tibfib: good idea, just did that Jul 06 02:22:14 huuzah Jul 06 02:22:26 i've done that on a million shortcuts Jul 06 02:22:36 but i can't think for myself when it counts. *sigh* Jul 06 02:23:02 good thing we have tibfib around to help us all Jul 06 02:23:28 :) Jul 06 02:24:24 lol Jul 06 02:24:39 ok need to add a few more things then 1.0.0 is ready Jul 06 02:25:59 brb need to eat dinner before i faint Jul 06 02:26:05 why would a published property lose its value Jul 06 02:26:24 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 06 02:27:09 because it was reset somewhere you didn't want it to Jul 06 02:29:55 pastebin: http://pastebin.com/jxRdWt3a Jul 06 02:30:12 I don't understand Jul 06 02:30:19 the key code is innerFeedItem Jul 06 02:30:28 feedChanged() sets the title properly Jul 06 02:30:45 but in feedClick() this.getFeed() returns ": Jul 06 02:30:49 "" Jul 06 02:31:21 anyone have any ideas? Jul 06 02:31:31 hrm Jul 06 02:36:44 hard to tell if I can't see where it's being set Jul 06 02:36:54 WHAT THE HECK Jul 06 02:36:58 !!! Jul 06 02:37:00 this doesn't make sense Jul 06 02:37:35 setupFolderRow sets the feed Jul 06 02:38:06 so should it be a string? Jul 06 02:38:20 the fact that you initialize it to a string makes me think so Jul 06 02:38:25 it should be an object Jul 06 02:38:33 * Tibfib tries initializing as object Jul 06 02:38:50 now it returns a blank object Jul 06 02:38:52 that won't affect this, but… Jul 06 02:39:00 it must not actually be getting set Jul 06 02:39:12 the magic getters/setters make me nervious Jul 06 02:39:14 but why would this.getFeed().title work on feedChanged ? Jul 06 02:39:33 what does "this" refer to in that context? Jul 06 02:39:36 in the live view, it shows the title Jul 06 02:39:46 I think they refer to the same thing Jul 06 02:39:48 lets check Jul 06 02:40:29 same thing Jul 06 02:41:45 this refers to the enyo.instance of innerFeedItem Jul 06 02:42:03 yeah, I might be able to help if I fired this up in the debugger here Jul 06 02:42:08 otherwise I'm having trouble Jul 06 02:42:16 I'll commit it Jul 06 02:43:01 lol the magic getters/setters are not magic at all. Jul 06 02:43:21 thanks for educating me, fxspec06 Jul 06 02:43:25 hahaah Jul 06 02:43:28 lol Jul 06 02:44:53 i forgot you guys working together. Jul 06 02:45:00 * fxspec06 runs away Jul 06 02:47:25 what do I do to recreate your problem? Jul 06 02:47:39 when tapping on an inner feed, does it load JUST that feed? Jul 06 02:47:48 like in a folder Jul 06 02:47:54 open the folder by tapping the folder icon Jul 06 02:51:05 its 7:46PM west coast, do you know where your developer device email is Jul 06 02:51:17 * PatrickC wanders in Jul 06 02:51:18 * Tibfib didn't get one Jul 06 02:51:21 anyone get one? Jul 06 02:51:25 * PatrickC didn't get one either Jul 06 02:51:32 * CTLAdvance didnt get one Jul 06 02:51:49 * oil either Jul 06 02:51:57 sigh Jul 06 02:52:01 oil: you already have one lol Jul 06 02:52:11 yeah, well i didn't get another one or anything Jul 06 02:52:35 I talked my mom into getting a touchpad over an ipad Jul 06 02:52:45 nice Jul 06 02:52:50 so you can play with it 24x7? Jul 06 02:52:55 * NuttyBunny slaps his monitor, grabs the keyboard, hits the monitor, throws it over the desk, stands up and kicks it Jul 06 02:53:41 NuttyBunny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvYpOSWeuLE Jul 06 02:53:45 she will be very disappointed in you for that Jul 06 02:53:54 when she reallizes there are like 0 apps Jul 06 02:53:58 :) Jul 06 02:54:00 lol Jul 06 02:54:04 CTLAdvance: lol Jul 06 02:54:04 didn't realize that wasn't the original Jul 06 02:54:12 maybe its more funny Jul 06 02:54:15 all she cares about is angry birds and Flash Player Jul 06 02:54:28 with flash she can play facebook games Jul 06 02:54:36 heh Jul 06 02:54:44 ah thats good Jul 06 02:54:46 * fxspec06 got one, but didn't really get one either Jul 06 02:54:47 'evening everyone Jul 06 02:54:59 hey dkirker Jul 06 02:55:06 dkirker: I'll take that email response about my dev touchpad now ;) Jul 06 02:55:28 oil: Get bak to work on wIRC! Jul 06 02:55:33 :P Jul 06 02:55:46 dkirker: how's the Palm life? Jul 06 02:55:54 * oil hasn't worked on wirc since making it more tp friendly then it already was Jul 06 02:55:55 busy as always Jul 06 02:55:55 oil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtTUsOKjWyQ Jul 06 02:56:07 lol Jul 06 02:56:25 just like that eh? Jul 06 02:56:49 * oil forgot how gigantic crts are Jul 06 02:56:51 dkirker: YEAH EMAIL ME FOOL Jul 06 02:57:05 hey Tibfib Jul 06 02:57:08 NuttyBunny: You need to lose weight Jul 06 02:57:08 * CTLAdvance wonders if dkirker can put us intouch with the team handling touchpad requests Jul 06 02:57:29 * PatrickC emailed his dev rep directly.. so.. Jul 06 02:57:31 fxspec06: don't worry, I've lost plenty already ;) Jul 06 02:57:31 * dkirker hides Jul 06 02:57:41 man.. my app is so close to being at its first beta Jul 06 02:57:44 and this is why palm people don't frequent #webos that much haha Jul 06 02:57:48 * halfhalo unhides dkirker Jul 06 02:57:48 * PatrickC finds dkirker in the corner Jul 06 02:57:50 man.. my app is so close to being at its first beta Jul 06 02:57:56 * CTLAdvance thinks dkirker should send out touchpads to the first twenty people that say bingobongobango Jul 06 02:58:00 * PatrickC kicks NuttyBunny Jul 06 02:58:01 bingobongobango Jul 06 02:58:03 PatrickC: Actually, I'm not in the corner :P Jul 06 02:58:06 NuttyBunny: the best part, read the top comment Jul 06 02:58:08 man.. my app is so close to being REVIEWED FOR APP CAT SUBMISSION Jul 06 02:58:15 * fxspec06 hides in a corner Jul 06 02:58:22 bingobongobango Jul 06 02:58:25 Tibfib: LOL :D Jul 06 02:58:44 lolollllll Jul 06 02:58:58 NuttyBunny: isn't your app submitted? haha Jul 06 02:58:59 PatrickC: I just need to fix 2 small issues: coordinates and... SAVING THE STUPID FILE! Jul 06 02:59:07 hahaha Jul 06 02:59:08 * CTLAdvance shakes fist and cracks his computer mouse on his desk Jul 06 02:59:17 I just need to fix my var.. Jul 06 02:59:31 and then the first beta can roll out.. in html5 :) Jul 06 02:59:47 mine does enyo+canvas :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 06 02:59:57 2011