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Jul 09 03:00:53 <dwc-> RagingMind says gnome comes on the cd-1
Jul 09 03:01:04 <dwc-> the other desktops would be on those others
Jul 09 03:01:41 <PatrickC> id download the i386 or the amd64 to use in a vm?
Jul 09 03:01:44 <PatrickC> thanks btw
Jul 09 03:02:05 <dwc-> depends on the arch of your vm ;) .... but probably yes
Jul 09 03:02:23 <PatrickC> ok :)
Jul 09 03:02:40 <PatrickC> I'll do the multi i386_amd64 version
Jul 09 03:04:22 <PatrickC> thx dwc- and RagingMind
Jul 09 03:05:29 <akanster> #ubuntu is that way -->
Jul 09 03:05:33 <akanster> :)
Jul 09 03:07:33 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 09 03:07:41 <PatrickC> I went to #debian
Jul 09 03:08:05 <PatrickC> and with <1000 people in there
Jul 09 03:08:10 <PatrickC> the channel was dead
Jul 09 03:09:52 <bnceo> is it safe to come out?'
Jul 09 03:10:00 <bnceo> everyone is done talking about sprint?
Jul 09 03:11:01 <dwc-> never
Jul 09 03:11:19 <dwc-> but maybe PatrickC is done asking about debian for now ;)
Jul 09 03:11:38 * PatrickC kicks sprint!!!!!!
Jul 09 03:12:00 <PatrickC> bnceo: I've been looking for sprint pres on ebay/craigslist
Jul 09 03:12:04 <PatrickC> some good deals
Jul 09 03:12:14 <bnceo> try craigslist
Jul 09 03:12:43 <PatrickC> they don't have the same deals as ebay
Jul 09 03:15:20 <bnceo> depends on local
Jul 09 03:15:29 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 09 03:15:29 <bnceo> oh oh. one thing I want to ask everyone here
Jul 09 03:15:36 <PatrickC> nashville doesn't have many
Jul 09 03:15:40 <PatrickC> yes?
Jul 09 03:15:46 <bnceo> what zagg or screen protector works best with the PRe2?
Jul 09 03:15:59 <fxspec06> rawr
Jul 09 03:16:00 <bnceo> cause the glass is way to glassy. I want something with a coat like the Touchpad
Jul 09 03:16:18 <summatusmentis> anyone have a NIB pre2 they're looking to get rid of?
Jul 09 03:16:36 <fxspec06> my touchpad came with an overcoat and shoeshine
Jul 09 03:17:27 <fxspec06> PatrickC: aren't you supposed to be working on your beta?
Jul 09 03:17:30 <fxspec06> =p
Jul 09 03:17:44 <PatrickC> fxspec06: :P
Jul 09 03:17:54 <bnceo> summatusmentis: HP store has one. But obviously it's full price. Lol
Jul 09 03:18:07 <summatusmentis> clearly :)
Jul 09 03:19:11 <bnceo> Wonder if they got more Pre2s in for the dev program
Jul 09 03:19:16 <Clark008> did they ever started the dev discount thing?
Jul 09 03:19:26 <bnceo> I know the TouchPad dev program is based on apps and belt color
Jul 09 03:19:35 <bnceo> but the Pre2 one wasn't. But last I check, they ran out
Jul 09 03:19:41 <summatusmentis> sume the whole dev program is now based on belt color
Jul 09 03:19:43 <summatusmentis> I assume*
Jul 09 03:20:31 <fxspec06> i think they ran out
Jul 09 03:20:33 <fxspec06> of pre 2's
Jul 09 03:20:39 <fxspec06> pretty sure they stopped that dev program
Jul 09 03:20:46 <fxspec06> right after i got mine in late may
Jul 09 03:20:46 <bnceo> really?
Jul 09 03:20:54 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 09 03:21:08 <bnceo> Wonder why they stopped it. NO more deving for mojo is encouraged I presume
Jul 09 03:21:36 <Clark008> belt color?
Jul 09 03:22:05 <halfhalo> Mojo is still on all the phones
Jul 09 03:22:37 <rwhitby> Mojo is the only dev language possible for all webOS phones in existence.
Jul 09 03:22:48 <rwhitby> (unless you hack enyo on there)
Jul 09 03:23:09 <dwc-> just include enyo in your app
Jul 09 03:23:22 <dwc-> that way it works on all the devices that don't have it yet
Jul 09 03:23:40 <bnceo> ok. went through emails
Jul 09 03:23:59 <bnceo> and I got an email from my dev guy askign for my info. I replied same day and never got an email back
Jul 09 03:24:51 <summatusmentis> bnceo: yep, same here
Jul 09 03:26:31 <rwhitby> dwc-: I don't think the enyo license allows for you to include it in your app
Jul 09 03:27:15 <bnceo> yup. Let's play by the rules here
Jul 09 03:27:25 <summatusmentis> dwc- may have meant enjo/fat-packaging
Jul 09 03:27:29 <bnceo> even if we don't like them, gotta maintain that ethical approach
Jul 09 03:27:39 <bnceo> in that case, summatusmentis is correct. That works
Jul 09 03:30:52 <dwc-> I was only kidding anyways... I have no idea whether it's allowed, since I haven't seen the enyo license yet
Jul 09 03:30:57 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: universal packaging is including both mojo and enyo versions, not including enyo.
Jul 09 03:31:29 <dwc-> including it in every app is certainly not a very scalable method
Jul 09 03:31:32 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: right, I know, just pointing out that it's possible there was a word left out, or whatever
Jul 09 03:32:36 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: sure, if you change the whole sentence :)
Jul 09 03:33:22 <summatusmentis> :-P look, people make typing errors
Jul 09 03:36:08 <akanster> whee! just saw a TouchPad commercial on TV
Jul 09 03:38:25 <bnceo> of course it's on a friday
Jul 09 03:38:32 <bnceo> prolly a cable network too
Jul 09 03:38:38 <bnceo> meaning SUPER CHEAP
Jul 09 03:46:30 <summatusmentis> I've seen them throughout the week, on satellite channels
Jul 09 03:46:55 <summatusmentis> this commercial just said "AT&T and T-Mobile", and it's an AT&T commercial
Jul 09 03:46:57 <summatusmentis> :(
Jul 09 03:47:28 <akanster> bnceo: Primetime on FOX
Jul 09 03:48:01 <bnceo> but it's a friday. so the ratings are low and it's a cheap buy. still more expensive than a cable buy tho
Jul 09 03:54:54 <zylogz80> I'm trying to implement preferences for my application that persist when closing and opening the app. I've  been trying to follow https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial6.html but I am not having a good time at it. Is there a better way to do this? maybe with a SQL database or something? I'm not sure that what this article is explaining is what I need.
Jul 09 03:55:14 <fxspec06> zylogz
Jul 09 03:55:15 <fxspec06> mojo
Jul 09 03:55:17 <fxspec06> or enyo
Jul 09 03:55:25 <zylogz80> fxspec06,enyo
Jul 09 03:55:37 <fxspec06> i duno then.
Jul 09 03:55:44 <fxspec06> haven't tried
Jul 09 03:56:13 <fxspec06> but what are you trying to store
Jul 09 03:56:38 <PatrickC> zylogz80: use enyo.cookie
Jul 09 03:56:44 <fxspec06> SQL is awful to work with
Jul 09 03:56:49 <PatrickC> I'm working on preferences in my app to
Jul 09 03:56:53 <fxspec06> cookies are miles better
Jul 09 03:56:55 <PatrickC> localStorage seems easy
Jul 09 03:56:55 <zylogz80> fxspec06, user informaiton. the user has the option to save the username and password.
Jul 09 03:57:00 <zylogz80> cookies?
Jul 09 03:57:03 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 09 03:57:05 <zylogz80> ok cool, and they persist
Jul 09 03:57:12 <PatrickC> idk? lol
Jul 09 03:57:23 <fxspec06> yes use cookies
Jul 09 03:57:35 <PatrickC> the extended feedreader tutorial uses cookies and localStorage
Jul 09 03:57:36 <fxspec06> for username and password you should use some type of encryption
Jul 09 03:58:53 <fxspec06> someone should make an enyo DVD
Jul 09 03:59:00 <fxspec06> who here would buy it?
Jul 09 03:59:57 <zylogz80> fxspec06, like an instructional video? "how to program in enyo?"
Jul 09 04:00:10 <fxspec06> lol ya
Jul 09 04:00:22 <dwc-> for kicks, you could slip in an enya video too
Jul 09 04:00:27 <zylogz80> meta
Jul 09 04:00:39 <PatrickC> fxspec06: id get it
Jul 09 04:00:40 <dwc-> maybe use that for background music
Jul 09 04:01:05 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 09 04:01:34 <PatrickC> fxspec06: expect an update laaaaate tonight if at all :)
Jul 09 04:02:03 <fxspec06> SLACKER
Jul 09 04:02:32 <fxspec06> i'll be in bed soon
Jul 09 04:02:39 <fxspec06> so i'll miss this update that won't happen
Jul 09 04:03:54 <zylogz80> cookie definitely looks *MUCH* easier than the psychosis I've got going with system service
Jul 09 04:03:55 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 09 04:04:01 <fxspec06> hahahaaha
Jul 09 04:04:11 <PatrickC> zylogz80: let me know if you get them working :)
Jul 09 04:04:24 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I'll give it a shot. I mean, who needs sleep, right?
Jul 09 04:04:25 <fxspec06> i want brownies
Jul 09 04:04:30 <fxspec06> brownies are better than cookies
Jul 09 04:05:20 <fxspec06> zylogz: i need sleep
Jul 09 04:05:50 <zylogz80> HAHAHAHA
Jul 09 04:05:57 <PatrickC> zylogz80: yeah
Jul 09 04:05:57 <zylogz80> I googled enyo.setCookie
Jul 09 04:06:01 <zylogz80> know what I found?
Jul 09 04:06:02 <PatrickC> sleep is for losers!
Jul 09 04:06:08 <zylogz80> PatrickC's pastebins
Jul 09 04:06:19 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jul 09 04:06:31 * PatrickC actually laughed!!!!
Jul 09 04:07:15 <PatrickC> at least you know how *not* to do them xD
Jul 09 04:07:57 <zylogz80> this page seems to explain how to use enyo.setCookie and enyo.getCookie
Jul 09 04:07:57 <zylogz80> http://beckism.com/2011/07/webos-mojo-to-enyo/
Jul 09 04:08:18 <fxspec06> did either one of you guys
Jul 09 04:08:22 <fxspec06> use mojo cookies
Jul 09 04:08:41 <zylogz80> fxspec06, I hadn't tried webos development until enyo
Jul 09 04:08:54 <zylogz80> I have a whopping 1 week of webos experience
Jul 09 04:09:00 <fxspec06> ok
Jul 09 04:09:01 <fxspec06> then
Jul 09 04:09:03 <zylogz80> it's been a good week
Jul 09 04:09:07 <fxspec06> leme give you an example
Jul 09 04:09:10 <fxspec06> of a mojo cookie
Jul 09 04:09:44 <zylogz80> it looks like you just pass it a name for your cookie and a stringified json of a struct/array/whateveryouwantocallit
Jul 09 04:09:56 <fxspec06> http://pastebin.com/Mbu4nrfX
Jul 09 04:10:00 * zylogz80 looks
Jul 09 04:10:09 <fxspec06> that's a mojo cookie
Jul 09 04:10:27 <fxspec06> Preferences.get(Cookie1, true);
Jul 09 04:10:41 <fxspec06> grabs the cookie, or if it dont exist makes a new one and sets to true
Jul 09 04:10:56 <fxspec06> Preferences.set(Cookie1, myBoolean);
Jul 09 04:11:05 <fxspec06> well yeah. it sets it.
Jul 09 04:11:14 <zylogz80> yeah looks pretty similar to what he's saying here http://beckism.com/2011/07/webos-mojo-to-enyo/
Jul 09 04:11:21 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 09 04:11:57 <fxspec06> you can set defaults in an array
Jul 09 04:11:59 <fxspec06> like
Jul 09 04:12:06 <zylogz80> like this http://fpaste.org/6Xhc/
Jul 09 04:12:08 <fxspec06> myArrayOfSettings = {};
Jul 09 04:12:21 <fxspec06> myArray.1 = xx;
Jul 09 04:12:35 <fxspec06> Preferences.get(Cookie1, myArray);
Jul 09 04:13:11 <fxspec06> that looks extremely nice and easy
Jul 09 04:13:12 <fxspec06> for enyo
Jul 09 04:13:14 <zylogz80> alright, lemme give this a shot. seems pretty easy.
Jul 09 04:13:23 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 09 04:13:28 <fxspec06> that looks like it'd work
Jul 09 04:13:37 <fxspec06> it's diff in mojo but that looks good
Jul 09 04:13:38 <jaf0> what function gets called when a pane is activated?
Jul 09 04:14:17 <zylogz80> jaf0, what do you mean activated? like when it is created?
Jul 09 04:14:32 <jaf0> no, when you switch to it...
Jul 09 04:14:40 <jaf0> i'm thinking rendered(), but it's not doing anything.
Jul 09 04:14:50 <zylogz80> jaf0, oh, not sure
Jul 09 04:14:56 <fxspec06> hmm
Jul 09 04:15:11 <fxspec06> gotFocus() ?
Jul 09 04:16:12 <jaf0> well, like create: function() {} is called when it's created;
Jul 09 04:16:35 <jaf0> ben posted that rendered is called on create and when it's selected, but I'm not getting anthing.
Jul 09 04:18:24 <fxspec06> The onSelectView event fires whenever the selected view changes. For example:
Jul 09 04:18:24 <fxspec06> {kind: "Pane", onSelectView: "viewSelected", components: [
Jul 09 04:18:24 <fxspec06>     {kind: "mainView"},
Jul 09 04:18:24 <fxspec06>     {kind: "searchView"}
Jul 09 04:18:24 <fxspec06> ]}
Jul 09 04:19:18 <fxspec06> where
Jul 09 04:19:22 <fxspec06> kind is the name of your pane
Jul 09 04:19:30 <fxspec06> and viewSelected is the function called
Jul 09 04:19:45 <fxspec06> viewSelected: function(inSender, inView, inPreviousView) {
Jul 09 04:19:45 <fxspec06>     if (inPreviousView.name == "searchView") {
Jul 09 04:19:45 <fxspec06>         this.cancelSearch();
Jul 09 04:19:45 <fxspec06>     }
Jul 09 04:19:45 <fxspec06> }
Jul 09 04:24:04 <jaf0> yeah, that's in the owner...
Jul 09 04:24:20 <jaf0> not the function called in the child like in mojo . :/
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Jul 09 04:25:00 <jaf0> There's a rendered() method that's called on the control immediately after it's been added to the DOM. This would also be called when it's re-rendered.
Jul 09 04:25:15 <fxspec06> hm.
Jul 09 04:26:19 <fxspec06> do this
Jul 09 04:26:20 <fxspec06> new MyApp().renderInto(document.body);
Jul 09 04:26:25 <fxspec06> then use rendered
Jul 09 04:26:28 <fxspec06> and see if that works
Jul 09 04:27:00 <fxspec06> from enyo.DomNodeBuilder in SDK
Jul 09 04:27:21 <fxspec06> rendered: function()
Jul 09 04:27:21 <fxspec06> Called whenever this object has been rendered. Override this method to perform tasks that require access to an actual DOM node.
Jul 09 04:27:21 <fxspec06> rendered: function() {
Jul 09 04:27:21 <fxspec06>     this.inherited(arguments);
Jul 09 04:27:21 <fxspec06>     if (this.hasNode()) {
Jul 09 04:27:22 <fxspec06>         this.nodeHeight = this.node.offsetHeight;
Jul 09 04:27:22 <fxspec06>     }
Jul 09 04:27:23 <fxspec06> }
Jul 09 04:27:28 <jaf0> just gotta hard code a .render() after you set the published properties and before pane.next().
Jul 09 04:27:58 <fxspec06> idk good luck
Jul 09 04:28:00 <fxspec06> i'm beat
Jul 09 04:28:03 <fxspec06> goodnight folks.
Jul 09 04:34:33 <PatrickC> haeffb: inkscape is nice
Jul 09 04:35:56 <haeffb> yep
Jul 09 04:36:10 <PatrickC> zylogz80: get the cookie working?
Jul 09 04:36:26 <PatrickC> haeffb: takes a little getting used to
Jul 09 04:36:30 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, how is it you break every god damn app
Jul 09 04:36:32 <zylogz80> PatrickC, still working on it - I had to rip a lot of code out to make room.
Jul 09 04:36:43 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: what??
Jul 09 04:36:45 <haeffb> did you watch the tux tutorial?
Jul 09 04:36:53 <PatrickC> haeffb: not yet
Jul 09 04:36:58 <PuffTheMagic> <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, oil: http://goaruna.com/s/yWGrqE7N
Jul 09 04:37:02 <PatrickC> you just did the tutorial-advanced
Jul 09 04:37:09 <jaf0> can you have a scroller inside the virtuallist?
Jul 09 04:37:13 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: yeah, my entire phone broke today
Jul 09 04:37:15 <Epyon22_out> lol
Jul 09 04:37:22 <PatrickC> all the cookies were erased
Jul 09 04:37:23 <PuffTheMagic> jaf0, yes u can
Jul 09 04:37:26 <PatrickC> and then that broke
Jul 09 04:37:27 <PuffTheMagic> err
Jul 09 04:37:32 <PuffTheMagic> no
Jul 09 04:37:42 <PuffTheMagic> why would u have a scroller in a list?
Jul 09 04:38:04 <jaf0> the reason I asked the question jsut disappeared into the recesses of my mind.
Jul 09 04:38:07 * jaf0 slaps hisself.
Jul 09 04:38:09 <jaf0> ok.
Jul 09 04:38:21 <jaf0> how to determine orientation?
Jul 09 04:38:34 <jaf0> and what gets called on orientation change?
Jul 09 04:38:44 <PatrickC> zylogz80: what tutorial are you following?
Jul 09 04:38:53 <zylogz80> PatrickC, for cookies?
Jul 09 04:38:57 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 09 04:39:21 <zylogz80> PatrickC, this example http://fpaste.org/6Xhc/ and the discussion in here a little earlier
Jul 09 04:39:40 <PatrickC> ok I'll look at the backlog
Jul 09 04:39:53 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I'm close but I'm doing something it doesn't like.
Jul 09 04:40:01 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 09 04:40:39 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I'm getting areally horrible error in the log "Uncuaght SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL" - it seems to be me trying to get from the cookie that causes it
Jul 09 04:43:57 <PatrickC> zylogz80: what are you using for dev? browser, device or emu?
Jul 09 04:44:11 <zylogz80> PatrickC, touch pad
Jul 09 04:44:19 <PatrickC> awesome
Jul 09 04:44:46 <PatrickC> I don't have one (yet)
Jul 09 04:44:57 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: you have any idea why that would happen?
Jul 09 04:45:04 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I think the problem is the object I'm trying to serialize. I'm not quite sure where the line blurs between objects, structs, and arrays in javascript
Jul 09 04:45:25 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I think I can't call enyo.json.stringify() on the object/struct/array/dunno that I'm using
Jul 09 04:47:07 <PatrickC> time to work on my simple toggle
Jul 09 04:47:10 <cxreg> i have the worst time signing into things like yahoo and aim from webos
Jul 09 04:47:13 <cxreg> both from the pre and the pad
Jul 09 04:47:20 <cxreg> it just spins and then says "i donno"
Jul 09 04:47:33 <cxreg> so lame
Jul 09 04:48:11 <zylogz80> PatrickC, does this look bad to you? http://fpaste.org/HtKx/
Jul 09 04:48:28 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I think the problem is my atte mpt to serialize prefsStruct
Jul 09 04:48:30 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, i dont have a clue where to begin guessing
Jul 09 04:49:05 <zylogz80> I thought in javascript "everything is an object" so I figured I could serialize anything
Jul 09 04:49:18 <PatrickC> zylogz80: no clue
Jul 09 04:49:24 <zylogz80> but it seems like enyo.setCookie('appPrefs', enyo.json.stringify(this.prefsStruct)); blows up my app
Jul 09 04:54:09 <PatrickC> zylogz80: if I send you an IPK, could you test it?
Jul 09 04:54:21 <zylogz80> PatrickC, sure
Jul 09 04:54:39 <PatrickC> ok.. now I need to get this working in the browser first :)
Jul 09 04:56:13 <PatrickC> ok. now to work on it. my toggle is registering, but the cookie isn't saving
Jul 09 04:58:22 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/CzDrXTiu «- what looks wrong with my cookie?
Jul 09 04:59:28 <PatrickC> cause it seems like it *should* work..
Jul 09 05:07:17 <PatrickC> zylogz80: you are using json.stringify in the setCookie?
Jul 09 05:08:43 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I'm still playing with different combintions
Jul 09 05:08:53 <PatrickC> see my paste
Jul 09 05:09:01 <PatrickC> I use it in the setContent
Jul 09 05:09:13 <PatrickC> like they do in the Data app included with the SDK
Jul 09 05:11:13 <zylogz80> I should check out the data app too then - because I've never looked at a working example
Jul 09 05:11:43 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I am pretty sure I have the cookie working but not the glue in my app to set the cookie correctly
Jul 09 05:12:09 <zylogz80> PatrickC, but it is 1am my time and I'm getting tired and sloopy. Time to sign off. I'll be back on tomorrow.
Jul 09 05:12:13 <PatrickC> zylogz80: my app doesn't seem to be setting the cookie
Jul 09 05:12:22 <PatrickC> ok. ya
Jul 09 05:12:40 <zylogz80> PatrickC, here's what I got http://fpaste.org/twpH/
Jul 09 05:12:46 <PatrickC> I'm not sure if the cookie isn't setting, get'ing, or seting the content
Jul 09 05:13:34 <zylogz80> PatrickC, I think I see why you are having trouble setting the cookie though
Jul 09 05:13:39 <zylogz80> PatrickC, lemme update real quick
Jul 09 05:13:43 <PatrickC> why?
Jul 09 05:13:44 <PatrickC> ok.
Jul 09 05:14:15 <zylogz80> PatrickC, what does getState return?
Jul 09 05:14:23 <zylogz80> PatrickC, an array? an object?
Jul 09 05:14:48 <PatrickC> it should return an object?
Jul 09 05:14:53 <PatrickC> let me double check
Jul 09 05:15:13 <PatrickC> hmm.. the docs don't say
Jul 09 05:15:41 <PatrickC> it return statetrue or statefalse
Jul 09 05:16:56 <zylogz80> PatrickC, if it returns an objkect I *think* you'd want to do it something like this http://pastebin.com/mBhL93BW
Jul 09 05:17:35 <zylogz80> alright /me out
Jul 09 05:17:38 <zylogz80> g'night webos
Jul 09 05:18:02 <PatrickC> night
Jul 09 05:19:16 <PatrickC> I'm off to bed too..
Jul 09 05:19:21 <PatrickC> night #webos peeps
Jul 09 05:39:45 <jaf0> wtf. why won't the virtuallist work inside a pane?
Jul 09 05:54:16 <cxreg> heh, i just did skype video with myself
Jul 09 05:54:21 <cxreg> between the laptop and the pad
Jul 09 05:54:36 <cxreg> fun experiment, pointing the cameras at each other
Jul 09 05:58:12 <chpwn> cxreg: I've had awful audio feedback issues doing stuff like that.
Jul 09 05:58:23 <cxreg> yeah i had to basically mute it
Jul 09 05:58:53 <cxreg> just wanted to see what the skype experience was like on the pad
Jul 09 05:58:56 <cxreg> it was not awesome
Jul 09 05:58:58 <cxreg> but it worked
Jul 09 06:31:44 <Mike9863> I am trying to start an AIM conversation with the messaging app, but when It type in the username of the person I want to talk to and send them a message, it goes to SMS instead. How can I make it use AIM?
Jul 09 06:39:17 <dwc-> webos version?
Jul 09 06:39:41 <dwc-> I've got a dropdown selector on the right hand side that lets me pick the protocol to talk to a contact
Jul 09 06:39:44 <Mike9863> 4.4.0
Jul 09 06:39:48 <Mike9863> 1.4.0*
Jul 09 06:40:21 <dwc-> oh, I've only used 2.0+
Jul 09 06:40:29 <Mike9863> Ah okay
Jul 09 06:40:33 <dwc-> hopefully someone else knows
Jul 09 06:40:48 <Mike9863> Do you know how to update on an unactivated device?
Jul 09 06:42:08 <dwc-> webos doctors or the meta doctor
Jul 09 06:43:11 <Mike9863> Turns out I have to go now. I will be back later today. Thanks for your time, though
Jul 09 09:39:49 <stbuehler> args. i get "PDL_CallJS error: You can not send a message to javascript while responding to a message from javascript" in the main thread of my plugin, as the plugin call in the other thread wasn't finished -.-
Jul 09 09:39:59 <stbuehler> any good ideas how to synchronize that?
Jul 09 10:46:47 <stbuehler> hrmpf. what did the guy smoke who designed the plugin<->javascript api? they should throw it away and start again -.-
Jul 09 11:10:10 <djen1> Hi there! I'm new to the veer and love the device, except the hickups. At the moment the contacts app is driving me mad. It just wont sync to google contacts although it displays the number of contacts correctly. Anyone experienced that?
Jul 09 11:22:15 <djen1> well, nothing here...
Jul 09 12:22:06 <rwhitby> stbuehler: you need to wait for the ready callback
Jul 09 12:22:44 <rwhitby> oh, unless this is well after initialisation
Jul 09 12:32:50 <stbuehler> rwhitby: this is an api design fail, my app does everything right (i think)
Jul 09 12:33:33 <stbuehler> the problem is that your code cannot check whether you are currently working on a "response to javascript" (you can try, but there will always be race conditions)
Jul 09 12:34:01 <stbuehler> so i decided to just try 10 times to call PDL_CallJS, and to kill the plugin if it didn't work
Jul 09 12:34:12 <stbuehler> javascript checks each second whether the plugin is still alive
Jul 09 12:34:25 <stbuehler> so at least i get a error message on the javscript side
Jul 09 13:13:36 <haeffb> June app sales were UP
Jul 09 13:16:43 <Caius> Anyone know of an open source webos app with a node *server* in it? Struggling to find examples
Jul 09 13:17:10 <stbuehler> what do you mean with "node server"?
Jul 09 13:17:41 <haeffb> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/screenshothe.png/
Jul 09 13:17:48 <rwhitby> Caius: Hello! has a simple node service. Not sure whether you mean that or a real long-running server.
Jul 09 13:17:53 <Caius> stbuehler: starting a node.js webserver when the app is opened and serving content from it
Jul 09 13:18:34 <stbuehler> hm, didn't try that yet. what is your problem with it? struggling with node itself, or can't reach the webserver?
Jul 09 13:19:44 * haeffb has doubled the number of enyo toolbar icons at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Design_Icons#Enyo_Toolbar_Icons
Jul 09 13:21:09 <djen1> Hi, I just added "end call on slider close" with webos 2.1 / hp veer. Is there a place where I should send my code to so someone would benefit? the old patch did not work with webos 2.1
Jul 09 13:21:52 <rwhitby> haeffb: sales up in june here too
Jul 09 13:22:18 <rwhitby> Caius: you'll need to adopt the activity otherwise your service will be terminated after the timeout
Jul 09 13:27:13 * fxspec06 deletes 72GB and his computer lets out sigh of releif
Jul 09 13:40:24 <Caius> rwhitby: cheers, will take a look
Jul 09 13:53:44 <Caius> rwhitby: err, where is Hello! ? Can't find it on the dev site or in local examples
Jul 09 13:53:59 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org
Jul 09 13:54:05 <Caius> ta
Jul 09 13:54:25 <rwhitby> but it does not have a server, just a service.
Jul 09 13:55:27 <Caius> yeah. Think I'm missing the service bit, know how to create a node server outside webos. Wanted an example to look at to see if it helped
Jul 09 13:56:13 <rwhitby> your key problem will be how to keep it running and not have the activity manager kill it automatically after the timeout
Jul 09 13:57:11 <stbuehler> how about calling the service each second from your app? :D
Jul 09 13:57:56 <stbuehler> i can't get the webview to connect to my node webserver, but the browser app works
Jul 09 13:58:13 <Caius> I'll be polling it from remote devices, so keeping it alive shouldn't be an issue I think
Jul 09 13:58:36 <Caius> can save the state outside the service I presume, so can't see it being an issue
Jul 09 14:10:53 <phoque> can't you simply disable the timeout?
Jul 09 14:11:38 <phoque> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/config/services.json.html
Jul 09 14:11:45 <rwhitby> only if you want to be a battery-sucking hog.  the activity manager is there to help you save power for long-running services that are triggered by things like network connections.
Jul 09 14:12:18 <phoque> i see
Jul 09 14:13:15 <rwhitby> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/js-services/activity-manager.html
Jul 09 14:19:28 <jaf0> what were reasons for onSetupRow not being called in a virtuallist?
Jul 09 14:19:34 <jaf0> scroller in scroller, right?
Jul 09 14:31:45 <jaf0> rwhitby?
Jul 09 14:36:55 <haeffb> This is a test to see if the design works...  Without looking at the filename, what does the third icon do?  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Design_Icons#Enyo_Toolbar_Icons
Jul 09 14:40:24 <jaf0> haeffb: what were the reasons for onSetupRow not being called?
Jul 09 14:41:41 <haeffb> no idea
Jul 09 14:41:58 <jaf0> i had the problem before; and I fixed it but I can't remember why now. :(
Jul 09 14:44:24 <phoque> jaf0, maybe a stamp and a clock
Jul 09 14:44:34 <phoque> no idea what it means though
Jul 09 14:44:40 <phoque> what's it supposed to mean?
Jul 09 14:44:44 <haeffb> timestamp
Jul 09 14:44:52 <haeffb> add a timestamp to a document
Jul 09 14:45:03 <jaf0> ?
Jul 09 14:45:16 <phoque> sorry jaf0, I meant haeffb
Jul 09 14:45:26 <rwhitby> haeffb: rear-view mirror with a clock attached
Jul 09 14:45:41 <haeffb> rwhitby: exactly what I was going for!
Jul 09 14:45:52 <phoque> my first intuition was a chessclock
Jul 09 15:22:20 * fxspec06 got text box to show on first try and never done one before wooooo
Jul 09 15:22:26 <fxspec06> in mojo
Jul 09 15:46:05 <PuffTheMagic> is there a more efficient way to access the middle of an array than substr and substring
Jul 09 15:46:07 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jul 09 15:46:10 <PuffTheMagic> and if not is either of those faster?
Jul 09 16:14:11 <PatrickC> can someone visit http://awesomeapps.tk and tell me what they see?
Jul 09 16:15:48 <haeffb> Index of /
Jul 09 16:16:59 <PatrickC> ok. so it already redirects
Jul 09 16:17:00 <PatrickC> good
Jul 09 16:17:04 <PatrickC> thanks haeffb
Jul 09 16:19:34 <PatrickC> now I need to figure out how to make all my pages redirect..
Jul 09 16:26:21 <Loudergood> none of your pages should have the domain name in them ;)
Jul 09 16:27:22 <PatrickC> I'm talking about making awesomeapps.8tar.com/forums redirect to awesomeapps.tk/forums :)
Jul 09 16:32:55 <PatrickC> Loudergood: how would I do that? do you know..
Jul 09 16:33:05 <PatrickC> I've tried everything I can think of.. lol
Jul 09 16:35:50 <LoneStar99> PatrickC: you using apache>
Jul 09 16:35:51 <LoneStar99> ?
Jul 09 16:35:58 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 09 16:36:07 <PatrickC> Apache/2.2.12
Jul 09 16:36:11 <LoneStar99> you have root  access?
Jul 09 16:36:18 <PatrickC> like ssh?
Jul 09 16:36:19 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 09 16:36:38 <LoneStar99> can u use "su" command?
Jul 09 16:36:46 <LoneStar99> to become superuser?
Jul 09 16:37:02 <PatrickC> I'll try
Jul 09 16:37:24 <PatrickC> bash: su: command not found
Jul 09 16:38:00 <LoneStar99> are the DNS server "http://awesomeapps.tk/" already pointing to your hosting server?
Jul 09 16:38:13 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 09 16:38:21 <PatrickC> it already points to my nameserver
Jul 09 16:38:49 <PatrickC> and I parked the domain awesomeapps.tk on my host
Jul 09 16:39:36 <LoneStar99> give me a second need to ssh to my server to get some configs
Jul 09 16:39:44 <PatrickC> ok thanks
Jul 09 16:51:24 <LoneStar99> PatrickC:  http://pastebin.com/taq3Fepp
Jul 09 16:54:36 <fxspec06> what's up guys
Jul 09 16:55:39 <PatrickC> fxspec06: trying to set up a domain
Jul 09 16:56:03 <fxspec06> hmm
Jul 09 16:56:07 <fxspec06> i don't know anything about that
Jul 09 16:57:01 <PatrickC> now it looks like I can't ftp into my site anymore
Jul 09 16:59:22 <PatrickC> arg
Jul 09 16:59:32 <Epyon22> idk if .tk can do anything but forward to an http address
Jul 09 16:59:53 <PatrickC> I thought it would be a full domain
Jul 09 17:00:02 <PatrickC> it has dns setup, nameservers, etc.
Jul 09 17:00:30 <Epyon22> oh ok maybe idk last time i used .tk was when geocities existed
Jul 09 17:01:05 <PatrickC> what's that lol
Jul 09 17:01:53 <PatrickC> Epyon22: you were right lol
Jul 09 17:01:54 <Epyon22> lol geocities and angelfire...they were like free webhosting and lots of bad websites
Jul 09 17:01:57 <PatrickC> it just points
Jul 09 17:02:38 <Epyon22> if your paying for a webserver a domain name is like 10bucks a year
Jul 09 17:03:06 <Epyon22> godaddy.com or any other site like that would be the place to look
Jul 09 17:03:19 <PatrickC> I'm not paying for a server :)
Jul 09 17:03:30 <Epyon22> oh well arnt you special
Jul 09 17:03:38 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 09 17:04:01 <Loudergood> he's going free everything
Jul 09 17:04:22 <Loudergood> certainly an interesting experiment
Jul 09 17:04:54 <PatrickC> Epyon22: if my friend gets his hosting back up (he runs a hosting company) I'll get real hosting free
Jul 09 17:04:55 <Epyon22> where did you get a free webserver with ssh access?
Jul 09 17:04:58 <PatrickC> I work with him
Jul 09 17:05:08 <PatrickC> Epyon22: 8tar and Azuli
Jul 09 17:05:42 <PatrickC> azuli is "unlimited" 8tar isnt
Jul 09 17:06:50 <Epyon22> wow 8tar pretty good package. you get a mysql server 10 gb of hosting and you can load any common cms sys on it
Jul 09 17:06:58 * Loudergood doesn't trust unlimited hosts
Jul 09 17:07:28 <PatrickC> Loudergood: its a $50 a month hosting package
Jul 09 17:07:37 <Loudergood> of course given my experience with dreamhost I don't trust paid hosts either
Jul 09 17:07:43 <Epyon22> lol
Jul 09 17:08:25 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 09 17:08:32 <Loudergood> apparently they think that the setting for shutting off a site when it hits a bandwidth limit should just redirect the /index.html
Jul 09 17:08:37 <Epyon22> ive used http://www.asmallorange.com/ and other than a 2-3 down times in like 5 years its been awesome
Jul 09 17:08:55 <Loudergood> that's not too helpful when fileplanet direct links something on the site
Jul 09 17:09:08 <Epyon22> ouch
Jul 09 17:09:09 <Loudergood> nothing like waking up to a bill for $7k
Jul 09 17:09:14 <Epyon22> your mirroring for fileplanet
Jul 09 17:09:25 <Loudergood> they didn't exactly ask
Jul 09 17:09:44 <PatrickC> that stinks
Jul 09 17:09:46 <Loudergood> and it was supposed to shut off it it went over
Jul 09 17:09:50 <PatrickC> Epyon22: that's pay-for :)
Jul 09 17:10:35 <Epyon22> yeah but its like a total of 150 with domain name for a whole year...chump change
Jul 09 17:10:41 <Loudergood> they never got a dime from me though
Jul 09 17:11:01 <Loudergood> hell I canceled because it was still in the first month and they gave me a refund
Jul 09 17:11:14 <Loudergood> I asked them to see the logs and they couldn't provide them
Jul 09 17:11:51 <Loudergood> now I use nearlyfreespeech.net
Jul 09 17:12:11 <Loudergood> prepaid usage based hosting
Jul 09 17:13:34 <PatrickC> Loudergood: http://tigerserve.com/ :)
Jul 09 17:43:19 <Tibfib_> Anyone know if apple has a patent on their app folders?
Jul 09 18:00:20 <jaf0> tibfib_
Jul 09 18:00:26 <jaf0> you good with virtuallist?
Jul 09 18:00:36 <Tibfib_> I guess
Jul 09 18:00:52 <Tibfib_> I actually gotta go do something for 15 mins. I can help when I get back, is that okay?
Jul 09 18:14:39 <LoneStar99> how do i exit out of a scene with tp emulator?
Jul 09 18:15:35 <PuffTheMagic> are you asking how to close an app?
Jul 09 18:15:41 <PuffTheMagic> or minimize it?
Jul 09 18:18:31 <LoneStar99> PuffTheMagic:  i guess both
Jul 09 18:18:40 <LoneStar99> nit sure if i am doing it right
Jul 09 18:19:46 <PuffTheMagic> home
Jul 09 18:20:46 <LoneStar99> not sure what the heck i was using...
Jul 09 18:22:34 <Loudergood> I'm pretty sure you can do stuff with esc and mouse wheel
Jul 09 18:29:23 <LoneStar99> yeah somethung with esc but had to press 2 buttons, very ghetto
Jul 09 19:09:45 * fxspec06 stretches
Jul 09 19:31:06 <fxspec06> anyone know how to make text boxes not go transparent on deselect
Jul 09 19:34:01 <fxspec06> nvm.
Jul 09 19:41:44 <Tibfib> oil: You rock
Jul 09 19:41:53 <Tibfib> lumberjack is sooooo useful for having users debug.
Jul 09 19:42:06 <Tibfib> and I believe rwhitby did the service? Awesome job guys
Jul 09 19:52:03 <twbbas> phoque: ping
Jul 09 20:01:05 <oil> Tibfib: :)
Jul 09 20:08:32 <Caius> is there a better way to basically have the touchpad act as a webserver for another device on the same wifi? Want to talk to the other device over HTTP and have been trying to run a node.js server as a service but keep running into errors doing so. Feels like I'm doing something wrong and it should be easier…
Jul 09 20:09:06 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  lumberjack is that an app?
Jul 09 20:09:18 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: yep
Jul 09 20:09:55 <LoneStar99> ok cool will check it out
Jul 09 20:10:50 <LoneStar99> Caius: what errors are you getting?
Jul 09 20:12:22 <Caius> currently my service is raising 'Failure writing to tasks file "/dev/cpuacct/REST/BG/tasks"' when it's started
Jul 09 20:12:56 <Caius> https://gist.github.com/02320363772bccfa87dd is the full error / adjacent log
Jul 09 20:16:46 <LoneStar99> Caius:  what type of communication are you trying?
Jul 09 20:16:58 <Caius> HTTP
Jul 09 20:17:44 <Caius> https://gist.github.com/78e843687ef41b40d0a7 is my assistant for the service
Jul 09 20:23:30 <LoneStar99> listen(1337, "0.0.0.0");  --> listen(1337, "localhost");   --> have not used Node.js but IP address 0.0.0.0 does not seem correct...
Jul 09 20:23:57 <Caius> 0.0.0.0 is all interfaces, rather than just the local loopback interface
Jul 09 20:24:22 <Caius> I've had it working briefly, but webos was terminating the service after a few seconds of inactivity
Jul 09 20:24:52 <Caius> tried to make it a subscription service and that tasks error started showing up
Jul 09 20:25:54 <Caius> reverted it back to what was working and the tasks error still shows up :/
Jul 09 20:27:56 <LoneStar99> what about 192.169.1.1
Jul 09 20:30:40 <Caius> Eurgh, something screwy about the network here. Seems to be firewalling the touchpad
Jul 09 20:31:42 <LoneStar99> was gonna ask that abit about about a firewall, u at home?
Jul 09 20:31:51 <Caius> nah, UK Guardian HQ
Jul 09 20:35:13 <LoneStar99> Caius try to access the following site --> https://urloid.com:10911/
Jul 09 20:36:28 <fxspec06> can anyone tell my why my text field goes transparent after it's not in focus anymore?
Jul 09 20:37:21 <Caius> LoneStar99: no dice
Jul 09 20:37:33 <LoneStar99> Caius:  it is a firewall
Jul 09 20:37:49 <Caius> LoneStar99: yeah, it's a stupid firewalled wifi system here
Jul 09 20:38:06 <Caius> sharing wifi from the laptop to the touchpad now, see if that solves anything
Jul 09 20:40:21 <fxspec06> anyone know about textfields.
Jul 09 20:40:23 <fxspec06> and focus
Jul 09 20:41:02 <LoneStar99> fxspec06:  that is the default behaviour: you need to add a background-color if you do not want it transparent
Jul 09 20:42:16 <fxspec06> ok but
Jul 09 20:42:34 <fxspec06> alright we'll see
Jul 09 20:42:35 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 09 20:42:36 <fxspec06> h.o
Jul 09 20:43:44 <fxspec06> it just looks crappy bc w/ the wrappers it makes a shadow around the edges. and w/ background there is no shadow.
Jul 09 20:44:22 <fxspec06> i can see if i can fix, but that's acceptable for now
Jul 09 20:46:48 <PatrickC> hey all
Jul 09 20:47:41 <fxspec06> go away!
Jul 09 20:47:57 * PatrickC runs away
Jul 09 20:48:05 <fxspec06> goodbye
Jul 09 20:48:42 <fxspec06> hey pat
Jul 09 20:48:43 * PatrickC removes fxspec06's name from beta group
Jul 09 20:48:46 <fxspec06> you know anything about
Jul 09 20:48:51 <fxspec06> text feilds
Jul 09 20:48:52 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 09 20:48:53 <fxspec06> fields
Jul 09 20:48:56 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 09 20:49:02 <PatrickC> enyo or mojo?
Jul 09 20:49:03 <fxspec06> how do you make them
Jul 09 20:49:05 <fxspec06> not suck
Jul 09 20:49:07 <fxspec06> mojo
Jul 09 20:49:25 <PatrickC> rich text field?
Jul 09 20:49:31 <fxspec06> just
Jul 09 20:49:33 <fxspec06> all i want
Jul 09 20:49:33 <PatrickC> what are you looking to do?
Jul 09 20:49:35 <fxspec06> is a simple
Jul 09 20:49:36 <fxspec06> box
Jul 09 20:49:42 <fxspec06> where you type text
Jul 09 20:49:45 <fxspec06> and i can make small
Jul 09 20:49:59 <PatrickC> small what?
Jul 09 20:50:01 <fxspec06> and have the background one colour or image
Jul 09 20:50:01 <Tibfib> It's not a crime to have more than 6 words per line.
Jul 09 20:50:02 <fxspec06> like
Jul 09 20:50:51 <fxspec06> i can't do to the text box what i want it to.
Jul 09 20:51:12 <oil> more then 6 words! call the cops!
Jul 09 20:51:21 <fxspec06> i shrink it and the cursor blinks in odd places then i defocus and the words move
Jul 09 20:51:24 <PatrickC> fxspec06: what are you wanting to do to it?
Jul 09 20:51:25 <fxspec06> and it's all fouled up
Jul 09 20:51:51 <PatrickC> oil is the master at mojo
Jul 09 20:52:01 <oil> psh
Jul 09 20:52:02 <oil> bbl
Jul 09 20:52:07 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 09 20:52:19 <PatrickC> Tibfib is the second best
Jul 09 20:52:20 <fxspec06> i saw his post on P|C
Jul 09 20:52:35 <Tibfib> oil can't do nutin
Jul 09 20:52:52 <fxspec06> right now is fine for when it's highlighted. but once i deselect inner shadow goes away
Jul 09 20:52:55 <PatrickC> all oil does and cost people money
Jul 09 20:52:56 <Tibfib> and I can't do nutin eter
Jul 09 20:52:59 <fxspec06> i want to get rid of inner shadow
Jul 09 20:53:02 <fxspec06> how do i do that
Jul 09 20:53:05 <fxspec06> i will be happy then
Jul 09 20:53:10 <Tibfib> fxspec06: that is a pain in the but
Jul 09 20:53:16 <Tibfib> s/but/butt/
Jul 09 20:53:26 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 09 20:53:27 <Tibfib> fxspec06: see if webos101 has it in snippets
Jul 09 20:53:43 <fxspec06> either get rid of shadow, or make it STAY
Jul 09 20:53:52 <fxspec06> >.> stupid behavior
Jul 09 20:53:59 <fxspec06> i should put a text box behind the text box
Jul 09 20:54:00 <PatrickC> fxspec06: send me the ipk, I'll see what its doing
Jul 09 20:54:07 <PatrickC> and see what you are talking about
Jul 09 20:54:11 <fxspec06> okay
Jul 09 20:54:21 <PatrickC> I have *no clue* what you are talking about haha
Jul 09 20:55:15 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 09 20:55:16 <fxspec06> sent
Jul 09 20:55:26 <fxspec06> it has the whole game but you won't get to play =p
Jul 09 20:55:42 <PatrickC> why? haha
Jul 09 20:57:38 <fxspec06> b/c
Jul 09 20:57:45 <fxspec06> it pops the text field scene
Jul 09 20:57:51 <fxspec06> pushes
Jul 09 20:58:49 <fxspec06> i mean i guess it's fine the way it is. but i really would like to make smaller
Jul 09 20:59:02 <PatrickC> looks good to me
Jul 09 20:59:04 <fxspec06> and / or get rid of the shadow
Jul 09 20:59:17 <PatrickC> new forums http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/forums/
Jul 09 20:59:24 <PatrickC> now mojo/enyo coding help
Jul 09 21:00:58 <PatrickC> fxspec06: look find to me
Jul 09 21:01:00 <PatrickC> I've g2g
Jul 09 21:01:01 <PatrickC> bbl
Jul 09 21:01:11 <fxspec06> okay
Jul 09 21:01:12 <fxspec06> bye
Jul 09 21:18:40 <cxreg> it appears that VT-d was what was crashing my laptop
Jul 09 21:18:47 <cxreg> turn it off, the emulator works
Jul 09 21:20:55 <Loudergood> that's bad
Jul 09 21:21:33 <Loudergood> actually, not that important though
Jul 09 21:32:03 <fxspec06> OMG
Jul 09 21:32:09 <fxspec06> i did it
Jul 09 21:32:12 <fxspec06> w/ a workaround
Jul 09 21:32:16 <fxspec06> w0000t
Jul 09 21:33:23 <fxspec06> a very very strange workaround
Jul 09 21:33:33 <fxspec06> but a workaround nonetheless
Jul 09 21:39:16 <Caius> how can I run some code at app launch? Like applicationDidLaunch: in ObjC I guess
Jul 09 21:39:40 <Caius> Just shove it in the index.html's <script> ?
Jul 09 21:41:03 <cxreg> Loudergood: yeah i thought so
Jul 09 21:41:09 <cxreg> VT is on but VT-d is off
Jul 09 21:41:36 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/aO0JK.png wooooooooooo
Jul 09 21:47:58 <PatrickC> fxspec06: pm
Jul 09 21:49:40 <LoneStar99> fxspec06: sweet
Jul 09 21:50:41 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 09 22:01:07 <fxspec06> heyyyyyy youuuuuuu guysssssssss
Jul 09 22:03:30 <PatrickC> yeaaaaaahhhhhh???
Jul 09 22:08:25 <Loudergood> slick shoes!
Jul 09 22:08:40 <tcpsyn> evening
Jul 09 22:08:52 <tcpsyn> webos newbie
Jul 09 22:09:29 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 09 22:09:34 <PatrickC> you'll like it
Jul 09 22:09:38 <PatrickC> well.. I g2g
Jul 09 22:09:39 <PatrickC> bbl
Jul 09 22:11:14 <PatrickC> tcpsyn: some links to start off with. http://developer.palm.com http://precentral.net and if you need/want http://install.preware.org and http://webos-internals.org :)
Jul 09 22:12:39 <summatusmentis> guuuh, downloading HP Play, because apparently there's no fullscreen ampache client for the TP
Jul 09 22:17:09 <tcpsyn> PatrickC: yep, thank you.
Jul 09 22:22:45 <fxspec06> sooo
Jul 09 22:23:56 <Tibfib> anyone used icons with the enyo list selectors?
Jul 09 22:56:52 <tcpsyn> you guys dont primarily use xda?
Jul 09 22:59:20 <Loudergood> no
Jul 09 22:59:40 <Loudergood> far too much history over at precentral
Jul 09 23:00:00 <halfhalo> theres  better reason than that
Jul 09 23:00:11 <Loudergood> oh I'm sure
Jul 09 23:00:37 <halfhalo> xda is full of idiots and assholes.  and thats me being polite.
Jul 09 23:02:23 <funkatron> is that a thing?
Jul 09 23:16:31 <Caius> is there a way to run commands on the device from a script using `novaterm`? From the help output it looks like I should be able to just do (eg) `novaterm uptime` and have it work, but I just get "unknown command" returned
Jul 09 23:17:43 <bpadalino> novaterm is a full interactive terminal .. novacom i believe has a run argument you can pass a command to which will just execute that command
Jul 09 23:17:53 <Caius> yeah, just found that. ta
Jul 10 00:14:24 <rwhitby> Caius: just use lighttpd from Preware to make the TP a webserver
Jul 10 00:14:45 <Caius> want it to run on any touchpad
Jul 10 00:14:50 <rwhitby> correct
Jul 10 00:14:58 <Caius> …and go in the app store
Jul 10 00:16:01 <rwhitby> ah, different story then.
Jul 10 00:16:22 <Caius> indeed
Jul 10 00:16:37 <rwhitby> also, for running commands, try novacom run file://bin/echo -- "Hello, World!"
Jul 10 00:17:21 <rwhitby> for app catalog, you'd do a node.js server which use a palm service to open a port in the firewall, and uses the activity manager to stay running.
Jul 10 00:18:04 <Caius> yep, that's what I've just about gotten running
Jul 10 00:18:16 <rwhitby> where's the code?
Jul 10 00:18:20 <Caius> kinda hacked it for now, just set really high timeouts on it
Jul 10 00:18:43 <Caius> waiting for the palm guys to come back and tell me why my ping method wasn't working :)
Jul 10 00:18:54 <Caius> (At a 24h HP hackday in the UK)
Jul 10 00:18:57 <rwhitby> post the git repo url and I can take a look at it
Jul 10 00:19:32 <Caius> ah, it's not public atm
Jul 10 00:19:36 <Caius> cheers for the offer though
Jul 10 00:19:44 <rwhitby> gonna be hard to help you then
Jul 10 00:20:56 <rwhitby> Tibfib: thx ;)
Jul 10 00:45:37 <haeffb> cxreg: want to look at a beta?
Jul 10 00:46:37 <rwhitby> is ingloriousapps here?
Jul 10 01:28:38 <Tibfib> gosh I hate security questions
Jul 10 01:36:00 * Tibfib really liking this beta version of spaz hd
Jul 10 01:49:25 <tcpsyn> I buy a lot of devices
Jul 10 01:49:28 <tcpsyn> I mean a lot of them
Jul 10 01:49:36 <tcpsyn> and the one commonality between them all
Jul 10 01:49:49 <tcpsyn> is they fucking randomly reboot themselves for no reason all the time.
Jul 10 01:50:03 <tcpsyn> it's infuriating
Jul 10 01:55:06 <tcpsyn> stop releasing products that aren't stable. Period.
Jul 10 01:58:18 <rwhitby> tcpsyn: people are too impatient to wait for the product cycles needed to achieve that
Jul 10 02:01:31 <bartholemew> and businesses need to turn a profit in a competitive and ADHD marketplace
Jul 10 02:02:18 <bartholemew> how many folks will pay $1500 for a smartphone that has the reliability of a fault tolerant server farm?
Jul 10 02:02:52 <bartholemew> nevertheless, agreed on the infuriating part.
Jul 10 02:03:04 <PatrickC> tcpsyn: what devices?
Jul 10 02:03:49 <bartholemew> it's similar to the feeling experienced when you realize every service you pay for these days has mind numbing fine print attached to it that probably says the company can fail to deliver the advertised service and you just have to suck it up
Jul 10 02:07:18 <tcpsyn> PatrickC: iphone, handfull of android phones, handfull of android tablets, hp touchpad
Jul 10 02:07:26 <tcpsyn> all random reboots.
Jul 10 02:07:32 <PatrickC> even the tp?
Jul 10 02:07:41 <PatrickC> you should start buying webos phones :)
Jul 10 02:07:42 <tcpsyn> especially the tp
Jul 10 02:07:57 <rwhitby> PatrickC: webOS phones are just as bad, and yes, especially the TP
Jul 10 02:08:12 <tcpsyn> I would if they would produce some not goofy hardware in slate form ;)
Jul 10 02:08:12 <PatrickC> I didn't know the tp did the random rebots
Jul 10 02:08:13 <rwhitby> you can reboot a TP just by going to a website
Jul 10 02:08:26 <tcpsyn> tp rebooted on me 3 times already
Jul 10 02:08:29 <tcpsyn> I've had it for 4 hours
Jul 10 02:08:36 <PatrickC> rwhitby: none of my 5 webos devices randomly reboot
Jul 10 02:08:41 <bartholemew> you can lock up a blackberry playbook by setting the alarm clock
Jul 10 02:08:54 <rwhitby> PatrickC: so you believe your experience is representative of everyone elses?
Jul 10 02:08:58 <tcpsyn> its really unacceptable.
Jul 10 02:09:40 <PatrickC> rwhitby: I figured something that *didn't* happen on 5 devices (and I've had many more before that didn't do it) would be a save assumption that it didn't happen to tons of decices
Jul 10 02:09:42 <PatrickC> devices*
Jul 10 02:09:58 <bartholemew> how much would you pay for a device that never did that though
Jul 10 02:09:59 <tcpsyn> I dont need the reliability of a fault tolerant server farm
Jul 10 02:10:02 <chpwn> tcpsyn: I've had random reboots on TP definitely, never Pre 2 or iPad, occasionally on iPhone and Galaxy Tab 10.1" and Nexus S
Jul 10 02:10:10 <tcpsyn> but howabout the reliability of a $200 laptop please.
Jul 10 02:10:10 <rwhitby> PatrickC: you fail to take into account that your usage patterns are the common factor
Jul 10 02:10:41 <tcpsyn> chpwn: about $500.
Jul 10 02:10:54 <chpwn> tcpsyn: you mean bartholemew?
Jul 10 02:10:55 <Loudergood> tcpsyn: you haven't owned a lot of $200 laptops have you?
Jul 10 02:11:05 <PatrickC> rwhitby: my usage is far from common with the junk I run, tweaking I do to test stuff for me
Jul 10 02:11:08 <PatrickC> etc.
Jul 10 02:11:23 <PatrickC> trying to do things that weren't ment to be don't on a phone
Jul 10 02:11:27 <tcpsyn> Loudergood: sure. laptops, netbooks, whatever. Actual computers.
Jul 10 02:11:38 <Loudergood> plastic framed anything sucks after about 6 months
Jul 10 02:11:56 <tcpsyn> phones and tablets suck after about 6 minutes.
Jul 10 02:12:01 <tcpsyn> is all i'm saying
Jul 10 02:12:09 <tcpsyn> and it needs to stop
Jul 10 02:13:00 <tcpsyn> when I pay 600 bucks for a device, I dont want it to reboot when I open a web browser, or close an email.
Jul 10 02:13:00 <bartholemew> well there's a market place for those devices and all participants are free to express their opinion by buying or not buying
Jul 10 02:13:21 * halfhalo is weird in that he mostly uses his devices like they are intended
Jul 10 02:14:31 * haeffb uses my HTC Touch Diamond as a paperweight. Not sure if that's as designed or not.
Jul 10 02:14:46 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 10 02:14:47 <haeffb> certainly wasn't designed to be a useful phone.
Jul 10 02:14:50 <rwhitby> haeffb: is it heavy enough?
Jul 10 02:14:56 <tcpsyn> I remember thinking that was cool looking when it came out
Jul 10 02:15:13 <tcpsyn> but that was compared to a trio and motorola q.
Jul 10 02:15:21 <haeffb> and razr
Jul 10 02:15:38 <haeffb> never even took the razr out of the box
Jul 10 02:15:46 * Tibfib had a razr
Jul 10 02:15:50 <Tibfib> first phone I had
Jul 10 02:16:09 <halfhalo> never had a razer... my first phone was a nokia brick
Jul 10 02:16:16 <tcpsyn> mine too
Jul 10 02:16:21 <tcpsyn> with snake
Jul 10 02:16:43 <tcpsyn> you know what it never did?
Jul 10 02:16:47 <tcpsyn> randomly fucking reboot itself
Jul 10 02:16:48 <Epyon22_> i had some pos sanyo then the moto q when razors were popular
Jul 10 02:17:22 <PatrickC> I had a sanyo incognito
Jul 10 02:17:23 <haeffb> PatrickC: what have you created in inkscape today?
Jul 10 02:17:29 <PatrickC> worst. phone. ever.
Jul 10 02:17:34 <PatrickC> haeffb: nothing :/
Jul 10 02:17:51 <PatrickC> no time today. I'll do something tomorrow probably.. I need to create an icon
Jul 10 02:18:13 <tcpsyn> html5 has an embedded database?
Jul 10 02:18:15 <tcpsyn> what the hell?
Jul 10 02:18:40 <haeffb> here's mine... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/screenshot1pl.png/
Jul 10 02:19:09 <PatrickC> you did that..... with inkscape?!
Jul 10 02:19:47 <tcpsyn> nice
Jul 10 02:19:53 <haeffb> easy. tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Kw10dDKkY
Jul 10 02:20:07 <PatrickC> I need to make an icon
Jul 10 02:20:22 <PatrickC> a guy (top half only) holding a boom box up to his head.
Jul 10 02:20:58 <tcpsyn> whys it gotta be the top half of a guy?
Jul 10 02:21:09 <tcpsyn> I mean, wouldn't the fairer sex be a more pleasant way to go?
Jul 10 02:21:22 <bartholemew> nice 8 ball but the 8 needs to be transformed to look like it's really on a curved surface
Jul 10 02:21:30 <haeffb> bartholemew: agreed.
Jul 10 02:21:39 <PatrickC> tcpsyn: its for my app :) its called Your Radio
Jul 10 02:21:48 <tcpsyn> whats it do?
Jul 10 02:21:54 <haeffb> females aren't allowed to use your app?
Jul 10 02:21:55 <PatrickC> sign up for the beta here http://forums.awesomeapps.8tar.com
Jul 10 02:22:12 <PatrickC> haeffb: I think it would look better with a guy
Jul 10 02:22:16 <rwhitby> haeffb: apparently females don't use boom-boxes
Jul 10 02:22:26 <PatrickC> that's the only opinion that I've gotten so far
Jul 10 02:22:44 <tcpsyn> nice
Jul 10 02:22:44 <PatrickC> rwhitby: how many females have you seen walking around with a boom box next to their head
Jul 10 02:22:50 * haeffb still has a boom-box
Jul 10 02:22:55 <tcpsyn> PatrickC: if I saw one, I'd buy her.
Jul 10 02:23:06 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 10 02:23:07 <rwhitby> PatrickC: about the same number as that of males doing that
Jul 10 02:23:09 <haeffb> bartholemew: how would you do that in inkscape?
Jul 10 02:23:39 <tcpsyn> I'll likely return the tp tomorrow
Jul 10 02:24:01 <PatrickC> tcpsyn: no.. dont..
Jul 10 02:24:07 <PatrickC> send it to me :)
Jul 10 02:24:18 * Tibfib has seen more girls hold a boom box to their head than guys
Jul 10 02:24:18 <tcpsyn> PatrickC: send me the cash, I'd be happy to
Jul 10 02:24:21 <Tibfib> that's 1 to 0
Jul 10 02:24:22 <tcpsyn> PatrickC: or bitcoin
Jul 10 02:24:23 <tcpsyn> ;)
Jul 10 02:24:23 <haeffb> PatrickC: also made these enyo toolbar icons in inkscape:  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Design_Icons#Enyo_Toolbar_Icons
Jul 10 02:25:00 <PatrickC> nice
Jul 10 02:25:35 <tcpsyn> I'm impressed with webos, though it offers even less actual functionality than my transformer, with the same random reboot feature.
Jul 10 02:45:23 <dawm> best question for an 'online dating service'
Jul 10 02:45:26 <dawm> Do you have a car?
Jul 10 02:52:42 <bartholemew> better question: do you have an STD?
Jul 10 02:53:45 <tcpsyn> many
Jul 10 02:56:13 <fxspec06> PatrickC: how do you like my game
Jul 10 02:57:34 <PatrickC> fxspec06: sorry
Jul 10 02:57:40 <PatrickC> haven't had time to fix it yet
Jul 10 02:57:42 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 10 02:57:42 <fxspec06> ok
Jul 10 02:57:46 <fxspec06> i'll send if you want
Jul 10 02:57:49 <PatrickC> been really busy :)
Jul 10 02:57:53 <PatrickC> I'll fix it in a few
Jul 10 02:57:56 <PatrickC> you can if you want
Jul 10 02:58:16 <fxspec06> yeah me too
Jul 10 02:58:23 <fxspec06> i've got a login screen for villo
Jul 10 02:58:25 <fxspec06> now
Jul 10 02:58:30 <fxspec06> gonna try and make chat tonight
Jul 10 02:59:05 <PatrickC> cool!
Jul 10 02:59:22 <PatrickC> that would be something to get a decent size beta started up on ;)
Jul 10 02:59:39 <PatrickC> get a large userbase built before the app is even released ;)
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