**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 14 02:59:57 2011 Jul 14 03:07:40 I have to jump around between enyo and canvas rendering to overcome a screencapture limitation :P Jul 14 03:22:56 bbl, have to drive 30 mins, and then finish the trashcan that haeffb wants so much (it's almost there) ;) Jul 14 03:33:09 is there a wireless way to get music sync with evo? Jul 14 03:33:27 how do i get the time of day Jul 14 03:33:31 wrong channel Jul 14 03:34:20 Deihmos: heh wrong OS Jul 14 03:34:29 lol Jul 14 03:34:56 fxspec06: new Date() Jul 14 03:34:57 ? Jul 14 03:35:30 NVM. Jul 14 03:35:34 * fxspec06 facepalm Jul 14 03:35:36 you want it formatted? Mojo.Format.formatDate(...) Jul 14 03:35:42 thanks Jul 14 03:35:46 http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_gettime.asp Jul 14 03:35:50 i've never tried it before Jul 14 03:35:53 man I can't use a Pre - any more Jul 14 03:36:04 i was looking for mojo stuff, didn't think of javascript stuff. Jul 14 03:36:33 formatDate can do date, time in local format Jul 14 03:36:46 i.e. it gets it right even for rwhitby Jul 14 03:40:17 lol Jul 14 03:40:39 i'll take a look at it =) Jul 14 03:51:22 i love gary the no-trash cougar Jul 14 04:01:28 * fxspec06 got timestamps working Jul 14 04:01:31 yippeeee Jul 14 04:35:02 g.evening folks Jul 14 04:42:19 hi LoneStar99 Jul 14 04:44:39 howdy dkirker Jul 14 04:44:47 dkirker!!! Jul 14 04:45:33 hi! Jul 14 04:46:48 hi dkirker Jul 14 04:46:58 dkirker: you ready to test some X windows stuff? Jul 14 04:47:19 hi rwhitby! Jul 14 04:47:22 Send it my way. Jul 14 04:47:34 Oh, and I completely forgot to pass your message on to Lisa. :( Jul 14 04:47:38 What was the message again? Jul 14 04:47:59 it was this stuff Jul 14 04:48:31 The X windows? Jul 14 04:50:19 dkirker: congrats! Jul 14 04:50:30 thanks PatrickC! Jul 14 04:50:39 dkirker: yes Jul 14 04:50:47 * PatrickC is happy.. talked to sprint today :) Jul 14 04:50:49 dkirker: terminal for touchpad Jul 14 04:50:58 rwhitby: thanks! I'll let her know. Jul 14 04:50:59 I'll be able to frankenpre afterall Jul 14 04:51:12 dkirker: just pass on the ipks once you've tested it Jul 14 04:51:15 * dkirker wants to put Terminal on his TouchPad and phones :) Jul 14 04:51:36 dkirker: how's the pre3? :) Jul 14 04:51:48 something must be official now or something Jul 14 04:51:59 dkirker: key mappings don't work on pre/pre2/pixi yet. veer is fine. Jul 14 04:52:23 dkirker: will be interested in whether it works on Pre 3 - can you test that? Jul 14 04:52:24 rwhitby: I can help with pre2 if needed Jul 14 04:52:28 * dkirker digs up the site Jul 14 04:52:31 well, try to help Jul 14 04:54:20 hey NuttyBunny Jul 14 04:54:46 hey, got that? Jul 14 04:55:11 I got it Jul 14 04:55:15 will install now Jul 14 04:56:17 congrats dkirker you at HP fulltime right? Jul 14 04:57:08 still contractor atm Jul 14 04:57:58 well, still cool! awesome! Jul 14 04:58:04 yeah! Jul 14 04:59:21 Alright, I'll poke at Xecutah tomorrow. I have some other stuff to take care of, including dinner. I'm going to go to my favorite coffee shop to spend some alone time with my TouchPad and unwind from the day. Jul 14 04:59:26 WHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Jul 14 04:59:30 0.7.1 Jul 14 04:59:36 packaged Jul 14 04:59:51 * dkirker dates his TouchPad... Jul 14 05:00:04 * PatrickC would if he could Jul 14 05:01:13 NuttyBunny: how much works on the pre2?!?! Jul 14 05:02:00 if you read your email, it works for testing, not much else ;) Jul 14 05:02:11 did you copy the photo? Jul 14 05:02:16 not yet Jul 14 05:02:20 just installed it Jul 14 05:02:28 wait.. installing.. Jul 14 05:02:31 11.3MB?! Jul 14 05:02:52 biggest.. app.. ive.. ever.. installed. with.. preware.. Jul 14 05:03:58 NuttyBunny: bug reports here, PM, or email? :) Jul 14 05:04:28 like? no, the trashcan doesn't work Jul 14 05:05:12 that.. and.. Jul 14 05:05:20 I can't move icons around Jul 14 05:06:18 umm.. ok? that looks... weird? Jul 14 05:07:12 yep, but I've made changes since. When I finish the trashcan I'll send you 0.9.6 Jul 14 05:07:23 pat: if u haven't installed 0.7.0 Jul 14 05:07:28 u just got 0.7.1 Jul 14 05:07:32 ok Jul 14 05:07:44 it's killer Jul 14 05:08:34 NuttyBunny: I see a monkey with my photo.jpg as its head... Jul 14 05:08:36 haha Jul 14 05:08:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I33ktFVLLhs Jul 14 05:09:57 PatrickC: press the arrows, they change the frames Jul 14 05:10:06 I saw that Jul 14 05:10:21 and that my photo.jpg becomes the head of everything :P Jul 14 05:10:33 fxspec06: niiiiiiiice Jul 14 05:11:37 PatrickC: well, zoom it around, put a mustache, use your imagination :P Jul 14 05:12:34 wooooo Jul 14 05:12:53 NuttyBunny: I can't put the mustache or anything anywhere Jul 14 05:12:57 it places Jul 14 05:13:02 but I can't move it Jul 14 05:14:45 you have 1.0 enyo or 0.9? Jul 14 05:14:52 it works in 1.0 Jul 14 05:15:10 0.10 Jul 14 05:15:13 and 0.9 Jul 14 05:15:15 both :P Jul 14 05:17:03 Odd, I found another bug, the items appear with the same zoom as the photo... not good, I ended up with a 2mm mustache ;) Jul 14 05:17:18 lol Jul 14 05:17:38 next version places items over the frame so they should move better Jul 14 05:17:52 ok Jul 14 05:18:43 make filepicker work, and make media-capture work, package enyo in the app (if that's aloud) and you have a multi-device app :D Jul 14 05:19:12 it won't make it to July 17 unfortunately, I'm beat and I won't finish it by 10am tomorrow Jul 14 05:19:49 filepicker enters a loop and I don't know why, media capture... we can't do that, and enyo.. isn't redistributable Jul 14 05:20:04 :/ Jul 14 05:20:33 you can define mojo in the index.html, and on device detect, use the media capture for mojo and the mojo filepicker ;) Jul 14 05:21:21 we can't access the camera directly, can we? Jul 14 05:22:03 i have been procasting with my new app, ok need to concentrate Jul 14 05:22:17 NuttyBunny: yes we can Jul 14 05:22:50 PatrickC: where? how? is it allowed? why nobody told me that? Jul 14 05:23:02 look at "Reality Gun" Jul 14 05:23:05 its in the app cat Jul 14 05:23:07 * NuttyBunny prepares the bat Jul 14 05:23:12 mmm.. Jul 14 05:24:41 what? Jul 14 05:25:32 ow shit Jul 14 05:25:46 I have to see how it was done! Jul 14 05:26:08 NuttyBunny: that's easy :P Jul 14 05:26:12 email the developer! Jul 14 05:30:34 heh.. not necesary... seems like I'll have too much fun this weekend :D Jul 14 05:31:14 Thanks man!! This will be huge! Jul 14 05:31:22 :) Jul 14 05:42:46 quad_damage: did you get the canvas issue sorted out? Jul 14 05:43:24 hey LoneStar Jul 14 05:47:15 howdy PatrickC Jul 14 05:59:34 night all Jul 14 06:00:25 night Jul 14 06:16:40 DontAskAdora: :o Jul 14 06:17:08 DontAskAdora: ready for some testing? Jul 14 06:22:42 * rwhitby taps foot Jul 14 06:22:49 DontAskAdora: i need 15 apps tested ASAP Jul 14 06:22:57 STAT Jul 14 06:23:10 lol Jul 14 06:23:12 LoneStar99: I need your mom ASAP Jul 14 06:23:14 :( Jul 14 06:23:26 queue up! Jul 14 06:23:40 my momma is 2000 miles away =( Jul 14 06:23:54 LoneStar99: you need to have an app that DontAskAdora *wants* to test Jul 14 06:24:58 rwhitby: oh that leaves none of mine =( Jul 14 06:24:58 lol Jul 14 06:26:22 stoked some initial tests are looking promising, but need to figure out an efficient way to implement app code, cloud code etc... Jul 14 06:30:21 another LoneStar just signed in... they are on to me... time to hide under the table Jul 14 06:32:58 lol Jul 14 06:36:18 not so lone now are you Jul 14 06:38:19 nope Jul 14 06:43:10 LoneStar_zwHfT: where u from? Jul 14 06:43:39 LoneStar99: china Jul 14 06:44:02 nice Jul 14 06:44:20 welcome to webos Jul 14 06:45:19 thank you. very newbie to javascript Jul 14 06:46:04 cool. what time is it in your part of china? Jul 14 06:46:42 14:41. what in yours? Jul 14 06:47:37 not in the US right now, but california is 11.42 Jul 14 06:53:19 mexico 13.42 Jul 14 06:53:37 sorry 1.48 in mexico Jul 14 06:55:21 1:48AM? Jul 14 06:55:32 yeah Jul 14 06:56:09 so late at night Jul 14 06:56:21 not sleepy? Jul 14 06:57:52 yeah, gonna go to sleep need to wake up early and fix alot of code Jul 14 07:07:14 ok laters folks Jul 14 08:57:33 hello guys Jul 14 08:57:41 any one of you use enyo framework? Jul 14 09:28:21 sure Jul 14 10:10:59 if any, ajax request works? beacuse I get some raport from dev that ajax looks like synch not async Jul 14 10:11:10 using this: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html#base/services/WebService.js Jul 14 10:14:38 cojack: looks pretty async to me Jul 14 10:14:59 it even says about the "sync" property: "If true, makes a synchronous (blocking) call, if supported. Synchronous requests are not supported on HP webOS." Jul 14 10:15:48 stbuehler: thanks Jul 14 10:40:40 hi folks. Before I post about it on the forums, is there an official webos bug/issue tracker (e.g. bugzilla, JIRA)? Jul 14 10:43:02 savs: not available outside of Palm, no. Jul 14 10:43:17 hey rod ;-) Jul 14 10:43:32 ok ... will go report a bunch 'o bugs in the forums then. Jul 14 10:51:37 savs: i had the feeling mailing pdc@ has more chances to get a response. post on the forum and mail them a link if nobody answers :) Jul 14 10:51:52 good idea ... thanks Jul 14 11:23:18 stbuehler: you have right Jul 14 11:32:38 Well, Google Stalker is useful for something after all. Left my Pre2 on a train (in a crew area), only noticed it because it appeared on stalker as being somewhere I wasn't. Jul 14 11:38:43 google stalker? Jul 14 11:42:39 Latitude. Jul 14 12:00:50 does somebody know where I can download the source for this tutorial? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial.html Jul 14 12:01:51 chrisknowsbest, why don't you follow it through? Jul 14 12:02:11 I did. but the last step isn't clear to me Jul 14 12:03:23 wich one? Jul 14 12:03:32 preferences.js? Jul 14 12:03:54 owowowo Jul 14 12:03:55 what?! Jul 14 12:04:02 AppMenu in the browser? Jul 14 12:04:03 how? Jul 14 12:04:28 the seperation of FeedReader.js to several smaler units. Jul 14 12:05:40 an mock data. anyway. I will get through. but it's a little strange not to supply the source to the example. in the sdk package a samples for mojo but not for enyo. Jul 14 12:06:05 chrisknowsbest, there are several examples in the SDK Jul 14 12:06:13 like... twenty or so Jul 14 12:06:49 ? Jul 14 12:07:12 the folder /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/samplecode contains only mojo exmpales Jul 14 12:08:03 see /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/refcode/framework/enyo/1.0/support/examples/ Jul 14 12:08:34 great, thanks Jul 14 12:09:11 hmmm, how do I Ctrl + ` on a german keyboard Jul 14 12:09:13 :-D Jul 14 12:10:49 switch to english layout. it's better for programming anyways Jul 14 12:11:15 and then the backtick is obove the tab key Jul 14 12:12:21 or us layout to be precise Jul 14 12:12:32 i hate setups with english layout for german keyboards, i never find anything :) Jul 14 12:13:26 true, it takes a little learning. but after a while you don't want to go back. Jul 14 12:13:59 chrisknowsbest, how would you know? Jul 14 12:14:37 because I use it this way ?! Jul 14 12:16:39 and you've tried the german layout? Jul 14 12:18:13 I'm german and have a german keyboard. but most of the time I use it with an us keyboard layout. because the brackets are directly accessible and the hole os navigation is base on us keyboards. tab switching ... Jul 14 12:18:38 how do you switch? Jul 14 12:19:52 well, I use osx. you just select keyboard layouts you would like to use and assign a keyboard shortcut. but I've done this in all major operations systems. linux/windows/ox are all able to do it Jul 14 12:20:07 best feature about Windows Jul 14 12:20:25 it switches the keyboard layout for each application you're currently running Jul 14 12:20:28 ah, ok. i just joined and thought you where talking about webos Jul 14 12:20:31 and tries to guess what language you're typing Jul 14 12:20:44 all of a sudden all keys are wrong but just in that single window Jul 14 12:20:58 the guy who came up with that should be fired Jul 14 12:20:59 :-) Jul 14 12:21:08 ^^ Jul 14 12:21:10 indeed Jul 14 12:21:49 i think if microsoft fired everyone who ever implemented something stupid they could save a LOT of money. Jul 14 12:24:55 by the way, I don't know wich keywords i should search for, but does someone know if there was somebody before who had the problem that his touchscreen just started to feel touches without getting touched and stopped realising real touches? Jul 14 12:25:48 emulator or physical device? Jul 14 12:26:16 physical Jul 14 12:26:18 my pre Jul 14 12:26:37 then I don't know Jul 14 12:27:46 mh Jul 14 12:27:54 thanks anyway Jul 14 12:43:00 it's quiet... too quiet... Jul 14 12:43:10 Be careful! It's a trap!!! Jul 14 12:45:38 :D Jul 14 12:51:17 We don't have functions to delete a single element inside an array, or insert elements at arbitrary places, or swap items inside, do we? (enyo/js) Jul 14 12:52:55 ah, neverming... splice :D http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_splice.asp Jul 14 12:58:08 Anyone alway have issues signing in to HP webos dev site? Jul 14 12:59:11 Strider5, no, I just tried Jul 14 13:02:52 HP needs to work with companies, and get things like http://vimeo.com/25833596 on their TouchPad Jul 14 13:07:28 summatusmentis: just.. WOW :) Jul 14 13:07:32 so did enyo replace Ares? or am I comparing apples to oranges? Jul 14 13:07:39 brb, gotta plug the lap Jul 14 13:07:50 Strider5: the latter ;) Jul 14 13:07:52 Strider5: apples to oranges Jul 14 13:07:58 enyo replaces mojo Jul 14 13:08:03 ah Jul 14 13:08:14 So you can still build in Ares. Jul 14 13:09:49 technically Ares is still backed by mojo Jul 14 13:10:01 there's going to be an Ares backed my enyo, but it's not available yet Jul 14 13:43:38 Goooooood Morning Jul 14 13:46:35 hey! Jul 14 13:46:41 Trashcan works! :D Jul 14 13:46:54 I'll add a small easter egg :) Jul 14 13:47:12 Haha nice! Jul 14 13:47:21 I love easter eggs. There's one in Differences if you can find it :D Jul 14 13:50:25 I can't find it in the catalog :S Jul 14 13:50:47 TouchPad-only =\ Jul 14 13:51:19 argh.. I don't have TP :'( Jul 14 13:51:52 hmmm I might pay for spotify Jul 14 13:52:15 I won't Jul 14 13:52:33 I just want my free invite to check it out Jul 14 13:52:43 I love grooveshark except for the tagging is terrible Jul 14 13:52:54 so I'd give up grooveshark. Jul 14 13:53:20 but if you want a free US account for Spotify right now (instead of waiting for an invite email) then sign up here like I did: http://j.mp/p1OKBr Jul 14 13:53:23 Yes, it's a referral link Jul 14 13:53:32 noice Jul 14 13:53:33 thanks Jul 14 13:53:33 I get 1 month free trial of spotify premium if I get 5 people to sign up for Spotify through that link Jul 14 13:53:37 :D Jul 14 13:53:38 somethings wrong here Jul 14 13:53:47 oh wrong letter Jul 14 13:53:55 http://j.mp/o1OKBr Jul 14 13:53:58 try that Jul 14 13:54:02 twbbas: I'd be happy to give you a month :) Jul 14 13:54:05 Thank you Jul 14 13:55:00 why do I have to sign up for klout Jul 14 13:55:20 I don't know Jul 14 13:55:22 but I had to Jul 14 13:55:29 =\ it's the only way to get into Spotify right now Jul 14 13:55:41 (That I know of) Jul 14 13:55:49 ah Jul 14 13:56:04 is there any way to update html elements without using $ or this.controller.get Jul 14 13:56:29 is there an age limit on spotify? Jul 14 13:56:51 nope. Jul 14 13:56:59 =( Jul 14 13:57:14 what other types of elements can i have. lol Jul 14 13:57:27 awww, there's not "palm/webOS" option on mobile phone Jul 14 13:57:59 For Spotify? Yeah there is Jul 14 13:58:10 not on the account creation page Jul 14 13:58:12 I think the app is europe-only right now though. You may be able to use Impostah to download it Jul 14 13:58:15 oh Jul 14 13:58:19 yep! I was planning on doing so Jul 14 13:58:22 I didn't set me phone Jul 14 13:58:24 my* Jul 14 13:58:31 Thanks for signing up :D 4 more to go Jul 14 13:58:46 no prob Jul 14 13:58:51 thanks for hurrying up my process Jul 14 13:59:02 haha no prob. I saw someone posted their referral link on Twitter today Jul 14 13:59:03 twbbas: I'm sure if you posted on twitter you'd get a few more Jul 14 13:59:08 I already did :D Jul 14 13:59:35 I was bummed when I woke up and saw Spotify was only for invites today Jul 14 14:01:37 Woo played my first Spotify song Jul 14 14:01:56 I heard there's only 10 hours of listening per month for free though Jul 14 14:02:49 it's much better than the 50 songs that you can play for free with GrooveShark Jul 14 14:02:59 That's only for mobile though, right? Jul 14 14:03:05 Desktop is unlimited songs Jul 14 14:03:21 You can't even use Spotify on your phone without paying for premium ($15/mo) Jul 14 14:03:59 lame Jul 14 14:04:05 grooveshark > spotify Jul 14 14:04:26 twbbas: 9.99 Jul 14 14:04:31 cwayne: I dunno about that Jul 14 14:04:34 just dl'd it Jul 14 14:04:41 Tibfib: on desktop at least Jul 14 14:04:54 once again, I dunno about that Jul 14 14:04:55 :) Jul 14 14:04:57 Oh really, only $10? Jul 14 14:05:03 yep Jul 14 14:05:12 and dangit webosroundup. Tag your podcasts consistently Jul 14 14:05:43 I am un-subscribing from your podcast because of that. Jul 14 14:06:16 Paaaaalm!!! Y U NO MAKE THINGS EASIER?!!! I just want to play a system sound and I have to make a service call??!!! Argh! Jul 14 14:07:05 No Spotify in Mexico yet, so, GrooveShark will do for me for the time being :( Jul 14 14:07:06 lol Jul 14 14:07:10 aww Jul 14 14:10:53 http://www.phonedog.com/2011/07/13/forget-android-and-ios-this-is-the-perfect-superphone/ Jul 14 14:11:10 "my perfect phone is a 4-inch, Nokia-made, webOS superphone" Jul 14 14:12:53 All these Facebook posts and Tweets saying something like "HP! HP! HP! I can't wait for tonight!!!" are confusing me with Hewlett-Packard and webOS. :S Jul 14 14:13:52 What will happen tonight? Jul 14 14:14:21 heh, my brother couldn't kill his nokia by dropping it in a deep fryer Jul 14 14:15:33 Nothing like the cookie Pixi ;) http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2011/03/25/pixi-survives-45-minutes-in-a-450-degrees-oven/ Jul 14 14:15:35 NuttyBunny: The last Harry Potter film is debuting at midnight tonight in the US Jul 14 14:15:41 Haha I remember that cookie pixi Jul 14 14:15:43 I already like it better than grooveshark. Jul 14 14:15:59 Tibfib: Same. But not if I only get 10 hrs/mo for free :( Jul 14 14:16:01 twbbas: Ah, yeah, the HP stuff, I remember the #HPV hashtag as well ;) Jul 14 14:16:06 I can't confirm that limit yet but that's what I've heard Jul 14 14:16:14 NuttyBunny: Hahaha Jul 14 14:16:53 I liked #LikeNothingElse. Even though people weren't talking about the TouchPad with it, they'll recognize that phrase when they see the ads for the TouchPad and maybe pay attention to them. Jul 14 14:17:04 twbbas, haeffb: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta_0.9.6_all.ipk <--- This one has the trashcan and the items above the frame layer :) Jul 14 14:17:04 I think that was a good choice Jul 14 14:17:16 Yep, that one was nice Jul 14 14:17:45 brb, gotta enter the customer facilities... it should take about 15 mins :S Jul 14 14:17:47 Downloading/installing :D Jul 14 14:18:00 Ok, I'll wait a few moments ;) Jul 14 14:18:09 60 secs left in download Jul 14 14:18:23 Slow DSL internet :( Jul 14 14:18:32 130K Jul 14 14:18:34 lol Jul 14 14:18:53 No problem, at home I have 128kbit upload :P takes ages to send my 10mb ipk over Jul 14 14:19:01 haha Jul 14 14:19:14 We get the cheapest internet Jul 14 14:19:26 installed Jul 14 14:19:30 :D Jul 14 14:19:50 it's the same, just with the items on top and trashcan working, no new features Jul 14 14:20:17 One thing I didn't notice before, the frames cut off when using it in portrait mode. Jul 14 14:20:25 you can only see the left 70% or so of the frame Jul 14 14:20:31 anyone know of an app to allow a bluetooth mouse to connect to the touch pad and have a curser? Jul 14 14:21:05 oo this is much better with accessories on top Jul 14 14:21:10 twbbas: shhhhh!... I'll either lock it up in landscape or try to fix that ;) Jul 14 14:21:22 heh Jul 14 14:21:31 yep, I noticed it yesterday after you guys suggested it, I made the change and it's way better :) Jul 14 14:21:49 Also, would there be a way to outline which item you currently have selected? Jul 14 14:21:54 now, if I can only make mediacapture work in enyo............. Jul 14 14:22:03 twbbas: Yep, it's on the queue ;) Jul 14 14:22:07 Great! Jul 14 14:22:24 I may make them pulse when they're selected Jul 14 14:22:38 that way I won't need to create the outlines Jul 14 14:22:39 Also, while in portrait the names on the bottom "Frames, Open, Items, Capture" are kind of confusing because they are scrunched together with the rest of the buttons Jul 14 14:22:57 In landscape they're not confusing because of the gap between the groups Jul 14 14:23:17 ah, yep, I was testing those... I don't think they'll remain... I may put that info in the help page (to be created as well) Jul 14 14:23:26 Sounds great Jul 14 14:23:42 ok, brb then, thanks!! Jul 14 14:23:47 no problem Jul 14 14:24:36 I can listen to my drm'd stuff from iTunes a looongg time ago Jul 14 14:24:38 Noice Jul 14 14:25:41 well or I'm listening to the online version Jul 14 14:25:46 regardless, it is seemless Jul 14 14:31:54 I also like the Now Playing queue. Most players don't have that Jul 14 14:34:02 Is there a way to import an HP Play playlist into Windows Media Player? Jul 14 14:34:14 I'm trying to get my HP Play playlist into Spotify and I think that's the only way to do it Jul 14 14:36:28 "Spotify your Palm Jul 14 14:36:28 Coming soon for Free and Unlimited users." Jul 14 14:36:32 ?!?! Jul 14 14:36:53 i don't know Jul 14 14:36:55 That's on Spotify's website Jul 14 14:37:11 i think it uses xml playlists Jul 14 14:37:21 liek itunes Jul 14 14:40:48 Is it possible for one app to launch another no-window app and have that second app not render a card? Jul 14 14:41:19 hrmmm Jul 14 14:41:25 spotify is not liking my .m4a;s Jul 14 14:41:45 I haven't gotten an invite yet Jul 14 14:41:49 i have alarm successfully launching my app, doing a dashboard and closing, but when called from another app Im gettin the launch animation in card. Jul 14 14:42:00 summatusmentis: pay $5 then cancel your sub. Jul 14 14:42:11 I do not want to do this Jul 14 14:42:16 although I suppose that'd get me in Jul 14 14:42:49 summatusmentis: I got ya. 1 sec. Jul 14 14:43:09 summatusmentis: If you sign up to Klout through this link: http://j.mp/o1OKBr then you can get in Jul 14 14:43:30 It's a referral link from me that will give me free 1 month premium if 4 more people sign up on it Jul 14 14:43:45 That's the only way (that I know of) to get into Spotify Free without an invite and without paying for a sub then canceling Jul 14 14:44:14 I used someone else's referral to sign up and then Tibfib used mine. It doesn't take that long. Jul 14 14:44:26 nope it's quick Jul 14 14:44:58 twbbas: how many referrals do you need total? Jul 14 14:45:08 5 Jul 14 14:46:06 so, signed in, now how does spotify show up? Jul 14 14:46:26 Did you create an account using your name + email yet? Jul 14 14:46:39 you have to click like continue or something to get to that page Jul 14 14:47:09 after you create your account then the Spotify code should be on the next page Jul 14 14:49:22 summatusmentis: I see signed up! Thanks! 3 more to go :D Jul 14 14:49:47 Dang. If I can fix my .m4a issues with spotify, I will probably move to it full time Jul 14 14:50:40 apparently I have to dl itunes Jul 14 14:50:46 which is crap. but whatever. Jul 14 14:51:03 Tibfib: I just had to create a playlist in windows media player and manually add my songs to it 1 by 1 from HP Play. Then I just imported that into Spotify. Jul 14 14:51:14 Luckily I only have like 50 songs or so that I wanted to move over. Jul 14 15:01:55 hmm, can I not just add songs at will to my library from online in spotify? Jul 14 15:03:14 Oh I have to "add to windows media player" ? Jul 14 15:03:18 is there not a better way? Jul 14 15:03:45 twbbas: Could you add this repo to preware for autoupdate? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/photofun (compressed -> yes) Jul 14 15:04:14 whoa, that's an interesting way to do a preware repo Jul 14 15:04:44 Courtesy of Jason Robitaille: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/282255-how-easily-setup-your-own-ipkg-feed-dropbox.html Jul 14 15:06:33 NuttyBunny: Added! Jul 14 15:06:44 twbbas: can I use your spotify link? Jul 14 15:07:02 Oh please do! http://j.mp/o1OKBr Jul 14 15:07:11 twbbas: Great! I'll just tell you whenever I update the files there, it's faster than giving you the link over and over ;) Jul 14 15:07:18 Yeah it is Jul 14 15:08:09 thanks Jul 14 15:08:34 akanster: No, thank you! :D Jul 14 15:08:35 twbbas: Did you test the trashcan? Does it work properly? liked the open/close bit? Jul 14 15:09:38 NuttyBunny: Yeah it worked great. I deleted it because I want to download it again via that Preware link. Still looking for it on Preware. Jul 14 15:09:39 * Tibfib lovessss spotify Jul 14 15:10:19 NuttyBunny: What's the open/close bit? Jul 14 15:10:22 does anyone live in London? Jul 14 15:10:38 twbbas: It doesn't appear in Preware?? argh... and I'm restarting my Pre 2... it will take about 8 minutes (The trashcan opens when you drag something to it) Jul 14 15:10:48 I'm in the planning stages of a London webOS meetup Jul 14 15:10:52 NuttyBunny: I could only find it by searching Jul 14 15:10:53 every month Jul 14 15:11:00 NuttyBunny: I just couldn't find what category it was under Jul 14 15:11:23 NuttyBunny: Oh! I didn't know you could drag stuff to it. I just clicked on it Jul 14 15:11:23 if any of you know any London (UK) webOS users, tell them to contact me on Twitter (@gauravity) or here on IRC Jul 14 15:11:27 NuttyBunny: That's neat! Jul 14 15:11:37 twbbas: An, it's uncategorized, I just throwed it to see how to do the ipk repo thing Jul 14 15:11:51 I'm trying to say something important here NuttyBunny/twbbas! :P Jul 14 15:11:55 gaurav_: I know @ubershinysheep is from the UK. Don't know what part Jul 14 15:12:09 ah yeah I know of him Jul 14 15:12:09 gaurav_: starting when? I'm in London now, but returning to NYC next Wed. Jul 14 15:12:25 rwatkins: when are you coming back to London? Jul 14 15:12:39 gaurav_: My app is important as well ;) Why don't you add that to http://www.facebook.com/groups/webOSFriends as well? Jul 14 15:12:40 gaurav_: unknown, not till winter likely. Jul 14 15:13:03 rwatkins: ah okay, we wont have our first one running until a few weeks yet Jul 14 15:13:33 NuttyBunny: thanks - just requested to join. I will do exactly that! Jul 14 15:14:57 twbbas: HAH!!! what do you know! It works by tapping on the trashcan as well!!! funny thing! It was designed to work by dragging, but I'll let that one slip by :D Jul 14 15:15:37 NuttyBunny: Hahaha. My first instinct was to tap it Jul 14 15:16:33 twbbas: I wonder what will haeffb do then he tries it... Jul 14 15:16:55 NuttyBunny: My guess will be to tap it Jul 14 15:18:43 twbbas: you can only sign up w/ twitter or facebook? Jul 14 15:19:52 I think so. Klout is like a social networking analysis website so I don't think you can create a klout account without having twitter or facebook. Jul 14 15:20:11 morning folks Jul 14 15:20:15 Morning Jul 14 15:20:31 mornin' Jul 14 15:20:41 brb.. rebooting time Jul 14 15:26:06 morning Jul 14 15:30:01 aww if only spotify supported syncing to webOS Jul 14 15:33:45 there's a lot of things webos doesn't support Jul 14 15:34:12 but that particular one is spotify. lol Jul 14 15:34:32 it's not webOS' fault. it's spotify's fault for not supporting it. Jul 14 15:34:42 yea Jul 14 15:34:52 ugh. I can't override whatever CSS style is setting the background of this pane >.> Jul 14 15:35:07 I haven't gotten an app sales payment in a while Jul 14 15:35:12 it should be decent this month Jul 14 15:35:14 twbbas: get rid of it!!!! Jul 14 15:35:33 twbbas: use the inspector to find it Jul 14 15:35:41 I am Jul 14 15:35:52 Tibfib: Didn't you know of the "Dont' buy Tibfib's apps month?" ;) Jul 14 15:35:58 i'm gonna have to learn enyo one of these days. Jul 14 15:36:02 I found it but I can't override it Jul 14 15:36:07 NuttyBunny: loll Jul 14 15:36:09 NuttyBunny: doh, must have missed it Jul 14 15:36:21 twbbas: element.setStyle Jul 14 15:36:31 i guess people love your apps so much they're torrenting them Jul 14 15:36:48 gaurav_, You're on the FB group, go ;) Jul 14 15:36:54 NuttyBunny: I'm setting the style of the pane but it has no effect Jul 14 15:37:03 oh that's you, NuttyBunny? ;) thanks Jul 14 15:37:14 {name: "middle", style: "background-color:green;", components: [ Jul 14 15:37:17 nothing Jul 14 15:37:25 (used green just for the heck of iT) Jul 14 15:37:25 gaurav_: No, it's not me, but I just saw that you were added ;) Jul 14 15:37:34 NuttyBunny: hehe Jul 14 15:37:47 twbbas: tried with hex? Jul 14 15:38:06 NuttyBunny: What's that? Jul 14 15:38:31 background-color:#0000FF; Jul 14 15:38:35 dunno Jul 14 15:38:58 oh Jul 14 15:39:20 nothing Jul 14 15:39:28 !important Jul 14 15:39:30 ? Jul 14 15:39:30 I think I found the culprit though Jul 14 15:39:34 oo didn't think of that Jul 14 15:39:51 How do I use !important? Jul 14 15:40:01 background-color:green;!important? Jul 14 15:40:05 but that's like last case Jul 14 15:40:13 twbbas: background-color:green !important; Jul 14 15:40:20 i think like background-color:green!important; Jul 14 15:40:28 you want a space Jul 14 15:40:32 okay yeah Jul 14 15:40:39 fxspec06: still didn't work Jul 14 15:40:47 (with space) Jul 14 15:40:52 from gaurav_ Jul 14 15:41:02 Here's what's happening Jul 14 15:41:06 then there's another problem in your CSS Jul 14 15:41:33 My pane has a div id ="...middle" with the style I'm setting Jul 14 15:41:47 then inside that div is another div id ="...middle_client" with a different style Jul 14 15:41:50 NuttyBunny: is that FB group active? Jul 14 15:41:59 NuttyBunny: or is it mainly idle Jul 14 15:42:02 That has class "enyo-bg" which I think is what I can't override Jul 14 15:42:25 gaurav_: A couple of daily posts, you can add more people as well :) Jul 14 15:42:26 All of my components of my pane are inside that second div Jul 14 15:42:36 NuttyBunny: do you run that group? Jul 14 15:42:51 twbbas: Nope, I'm just another membr Jul 14 15:43:05 anyone know the spotify app id? Jul 14 15:43:12 com.palm.app.spotify Jul 14 15:43:21 99% sure Jul 14 15:43:25 hmm I wonder why it's palm Jul 14 15:43:33 thanks man Jul 14 15:43:37 no problem Jul 14 15:43:51 they must be accessing special services Jul 14 15:44:16 yeah, I wonder what they'd need. Jul 14 15:44:45 well I just bought a premium spotify membership Jul 14 15:45:26 Anyone have experience with sliding panes? Jul 14 15:45:47 some Jul 14 15:46:25 sugardave: care to try my app? Jul 14 15:46:35 sugardave: Each of my panes has a second div inside of it with id="...NameOfPane_client" and has a class "enyo-bg." How can I override that class to set my own background? Jul 14 15:47:11 Anything I set to the main pane only gets set to the parent div for "NameOfPane" and doesn't affect all the components inside "NameOfPane_client" Jul 14 15:47:29 twbbas: className isn't working? Jul 14 15:48:04 NameOfPane_client.setStyle("background:green"); Jul 14 15:48:16 * NuttyBunny throws the stone Jul 14 15:48:17 sugardave: I have {name: "middle", slassName:"Test", style: "background-color:green;", components: [ but that doesn't affect the inside div Jul 14 15:48:23 NuttyBunny: I've tried that =\ Jul 14 15:48:43 pastebin me Jul 14 15:49:21 twbbas, className: "yourcustomclass" doesn't work? Jul 14 15:50:32 NuttyBunny: my TouchPad is undergoing surgery atm Jul 14 15:51:54 ohh spotify Jul 14 15:52:00 please open source your webOS app Jul 14 15:52:50 or hire me so I can merge spotify and koto Jul 14 15:53:06 sugardave: broken plastic? :P Jul 14 15:53:24 NuttyBunny: nah, refreshing the build on mine Jul 14 15:54:08 sugardave: Ah, nice :) Jul 14 15:54:33 sugardave: http://pastebin.com/PCfU2VrA Jul 14 15:55:28 so there's a div id="...middle" with class "test" and style "background-color:green;" and there's a second div INSIDE of that id="...middle_client" that contains all of components listed Jul 14 15:55:45 twbbas: the second div you mentioned...is that the Image kind or are you putting it in manually via code/HTML somehow? Jul 14 15:56:13 oh Jul 14 15:56:15 I see Jul 14 15:56:24 you're talking about the auto-generated one for holding the components? Jul 14 15:56:32 Yeah, it seems automated Jul 14 15:56:37 right Jul 14 15:57:09 It has class "enyo-bg" which I think is the gray background that I can't get rid of Jul 14 15:57:17 so, this is interesting and not sure if it works....BUT I would try this (wait while I type) Jul 14 15:59:35 Create a custom kind, name it whatever (MyKind). In the components block of that kind, have a component named "client". Then use that kind as the container (currently "middle") and in ITS components block, all the things you have now, add controlParentName: client to them. The part I left out is in your custom kind, make the "client" component have className: whatever.....I think this might work Jul 14 16:00:16 oh my. that's a doozy. Trying it now ;) thanks Jul 14 16:01:07 good luck, let me know if it works or not Jul 14 16:02:20 I hope to have a blog posting about the client system in a few weeks Jul 14 16:08:54 is there any documentation on how specifically to generate a patch to be distributed in Preware? Jul 14 16:09:22 rwatkins: #webos-internals Jul 14 16:11:23 sugardave: It appears to have worked looking at the html but my screen is all messed up now Jul 14 16:11:38 well, my description was minimal at best Jul 14 16:11:45 Yeah Jul 14 16:11:50 I just gotta edit it a little Jul 14 16:12:00 The components are all over the place Jul 14 16:12:17 I'll play with it Jul 14 16:12:20 Thanks though! Jul 14 16:12:23 np Jul 14 16:20:26 Anyone know why trying to generate a package using palm-package on an enyo app would cause a java.lang.NullPointerException to be thrown? Jul 14 16:21:40 what OS? Jul 14 16:22:13 tried on a windows7 machine and now on a Vista machine... Jul 14 16:22:30 x64 win7, x86 vista Jul 14 16:24:09 Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException Jul 14 16:24:09 at com.palm.webos.ipkbuilder.PackageBuilder.createPackage(PackageBuilder Jul 14 16:24:09 .java:362) Jul 14 16:24:09 at com.palm.webos.tools.packager.Packager.createPackage(Packager.java:87 Jul 14 16:24:09 ) Jul 14 16:24:10 at com.palm.webos.tools.shell.Package.packageit(Package.java:275) Jul 14 16:24:10 at com.palm.webos.tools.shell.Package.parse(Package.java:217) Jul 14 16:24:11 at com.palm.webos.shell.CommandShell.parseCommand(CommandShell.java:79) Jul 14 16:24:11 at com.palm.webos.tools.shell.Shell.parse(Shell.java:90) Jul 14 16:24:12 at com.palm.webos.tools.shell.Main.main(Main.java:6) Jul 14 16:24:12 is the output Jul 14 16:29:13 Rolla: likely yo hav a file in there somewhere thats empty Jul 14 16:29:26 * rwatkins cant seem to type at this keyboard. Jul 14 16:32:39 Rolla: did you delete an your old SDK and install the new one? Jul 14 16:33:06 how can i backup the Mojo.Depot of an app? Jul 14 16:33:44 LoneStar99: The Win7 machine is a clean install, so never had the old one on it... Jul 14 16:34:09 rwatkins: I read that elsewhere, but have looked through twice and can't see anything Jul 14 16:34:18 Also validated my JSON to make sure that was fine Jul 14 16:35:05 this is an enyo package? Jul 14 16:35:18 LoneStar99: yep Jul 14 16:36:38 you are running palm-package from the command line? or eclipse? Jul 14 16:36:47 from the command line Jul 14 16:37:45 what do you get if you run the following command --> java -version Jul 14 16:38:14 http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2011/07/05/book-covers-crafted-from-video-games/ Jul 14 16:38:22 On this machine: java version "1.6.0_26" Jul 14 16:38:22 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_26-b03) Jul 14 16:38:22 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 20.1-b02, mixed mode, sharing) Jul 14 16:39:48 you are running windows 7 64bit? Jul 14 16:40:41 Im currently on 32bit vista at the moment, but also tried on Win7 x64 machine too, yeah Jul 14 16:42:33 and you get the same exact errors on OSes? Jul 14 16:43:26 Yep, that's whats making me think it MUST be a code issue somewhere? Jul 14 16:43:50 Do I have to change the path to enyo.js in the index.html file back to a default or something? Jul 14 16:44:02 no Jul 14 16:44:03 Runs fine in Chrome on both machines Jul 14 16:44:05 nope Jul 14 16:44:24 have you tried packing a sample mojo app? Jul 14 16:45:54 no, i haven't to be honest... Jul 14 16:46:28 Can I just use palm-generate to create one then package it straight up with palm-package? Jul 14 16:46:42 i would try out, if that works, then it is a coding issue Jul 14 16:46:47 afaik palm-generate still only lays down a Mojo structure Jul 14 16:47:11 was gonna say i never use palm-generate, i guess i know why now... Jul 14 16:47:27 I just have an EnyoSkeleton dir that I copy into a new project Jul 14 16:47:47 LoneStar99: you use eclipse, it uses palm-generate for you Jul 14 16:47:53 for a Mojo app, anyway Jul 14 16:49:03 that worked fine. Jul 14 16:49:12 Did palm-generate to create a new mojo app Jul 14 16:49:24 then palm-package immediately to package it Jul 14 16:49:28 and I have a mojo IPL Jul 14 16:49:35 *IPK Jul 14 16:49:43 sugardave: kinda weird I know... I simply create a new folder, and then copy all the folders and files from an old mojo app then build a new prject in eclipse.... Jul 14 16:49:49 I just played a game named "Real Racing" on an iPhone. I want it on my Pre. Who should I talk to? ;) Jul 14 16:50:22 hmmm, I would guess the "Real Racing" developer Jul 14 16:50:24 :D Jul 14 16:53:03 hehehe.. it was nice, reminded me of Gran Turismo Jul 14 16:59:33 i was playing gran turismo last weekend =) Jul 14 17:08:09 okay time to patch the spotify app Jul 14 17:12:29 Tibfib: did you see it's in the US now? Jul 14 17:12:34 yep! Jul 14 17:16:13 I still need 3 more people to sign up for Spotify from my link to get Premium :( Jul 14 17:16:15 I want Wheeeeeee in my Pre2! Jul 14 17:16:25 NuttyBunny: What's that? Jul 14 17:16:25 twbbas: Too bad I can't help Jul 14 17:16:59 what do you get for premium Jul 14 17:17:01 twbbas: the sound the TP makes when you close an app by slingshoting it while holding it upside down in landscape Jul 14 17:17:08 oh haha Jul 14 17:17:11 that easter egg Jul 14 17:17:37 oh Jul 14 17:17:41 what's the easter egg Jul 14 17:17:42 wait what's going on? I have access to Spotify mobile but I'm not Premium! Jul 14 17:17:43 lol Jul 14 17:17:54 It's actually plying Jul 14 17:17:56 playing* Jul 14 17:19:25 omg Jul 14 17:19:43 I can't believe it Jul 14 17:20:03 omg! Jul 14 17:20:43 what does it do Jul 14 17:21:00 i've never used spotify Jul 14 17:21:16 Think of Grooveshark but better Jul 14 17:21:22 professional music so no duplicates and no mis-labeled tracks Jul 14 17:21:31 offline cache Jul 14 17:22:02 ohh Jul 14 17:22:04 "professional music so no duplicates and no mis-labeled tracks" > that is why spotify >>>> grooveshark Jul 14 17:22:05 that's pretty sweet Jul 14 17:22:42 why anyone would want to make a service with dupes & mislabeled tracks is beyond me Jul 14 17:22:46 Can anyone confirm that you can use the Spotify app with a Free account? Jul 14 17:22:52 fxspec06: Grooveshark is all user-uploaded so that's why Jul 14 17:23:07 fxspec06: Spotify made deals with record companies to get the actual songs Jul 14 17:23:15 That's why it took them like 3 years to make it to the US Jul 14 17:23:51 damn Jul 14 17:23:58 and when did they make it to the US? today Jul 14 17:25:49 fxspec06: Yep. It's invite only unless you sign up via my link :D Jul 14 17:26:18 well Jul 14 17:26:23 where hte hell is t he link Jul 14 17:26:29 http://j.mp/o1OKBr Jul 14 17:26:33 You have to sign up for Klout first Jul 14 17:26:35 =\ Jul 14 17:26:46 Tibfib and summatusmentis already did it. They agree that it's super quick Jul 14 17:26:53 yep Jul 14 17:26:55 That's how I got in before Jul 14 17:26:56 I like my own music, or I like Turntable Jul 14 17:27:02 then I got my own referral link and started sharing Jul 14 17:27:12 Klout Jul 14 17:27:17 If I get 3 more people to sign up with that link, then I get 1 month of premium for free! Jul 14 17:27:18 wth is klout Jul 14 17:27:21 lol Jul 14 17:27:23 I'm not really sure Jul 14 17:27:32 It's some social network analysis thing Jul 14 17:28:47 asdlgk Jul 14 17:28:53 oooo J Tops has an interview with DeWitt and Ruby coming up Jul 14 17:28:54 we're all out of invites for today? Jul 14 17:29:00 waaaa Jul 14 17:29:03 nooooo Jul 14 17:29:05 WTF Jul 14 17:29:08 >.< Jul 14 17:29:17 Wow -- Everyone loves Spotify! Jul 14 17:29:17 We're all out of invites for today, but will have more accounts for influencers very soon. Check back tomorrow! Jul 14 17:29:23 :( Jul 14 17:29:33 On the bright side, it still counted you on my list of 5 I needed :D Jul 14 17:29:41 well Jul 14 17:29:43 remind me tomorrow Jul 14 17:29:47 Will do Jul 14 17:29:53 because i want in Jul 14 17:29:54 lol Jul 14 17:30:52 http://twitter.com/#!/warthogkernel/status/91499078768267264 Jul 14 17:31:43 Tibfib, summatusmentis: Check https://www.spotify.com/us/account/share/ and see if you have an invitation to send out. I have 0. Jul 14 17:32:03 I have 4 Jul 14 17:32:06 What?!?! Jul 14 17:32:19 I bought a premium account Jul 14 17:32:22 ah Jul 14 17:32:25 that's probably it Jul 14 17:32:54 what's the diff b/w premium and non Jul 14 17:33:05 no ads, unlimited streaming, offline cache Jul 14 17:33:10 you can use the mobile app Jul 14 17:33:12 woooo Jul 14 17:33:16 is there webos app Jul 14 17:33:17 but... my mobile app is working when I'm on Free Jul 14 17:33:20 Yeah there is Jul 14 17:33:24 sweeet Jul 14 17:33:32 com.palm.app.spotify Jul 14 17:34:23 Man, I'm tired of all these Apple rumors every single day... Jul 14 17:34:31 oh is there a multi-stage equivelant of Mojo.Controller.errorDialog(); ? Jul 14 17:34:47 twbbas: i gave up on them. i don't follow anymore Jul 14 17:34:59 "iPhone 5!" "No! iPhone 4S!" "iPad 3!" "No! iPad 2 Pro!" Jul 14 17:35:16 "Thinner; lighter!" Jul 14 17:35:25 well duh the next gen devices will be thinner and lighter Jul 14 17:37:29 WOO Jul 14 17:37:46 pass second parameter to errorDialog >> this.controller.window Jul 14 17:38:21 twbbas: tired of google and apple news everyday Jul 14 17:38:59 lately google+, to me it sounds like a meal supplement Jul 14 17:39:05 hahahahaha Jul 14 17:39:07 lol Jul 14 17:39:11 i signed up and it's not half bad. Jul 14 17:39:13 but Jul 14 17:39:28 "give me two of them google+ pills, i got the runs..." Jul 14 17:39:57 everytime i go somewhere anywhere now that has to do w/ MS or the 'G'........ i get asked a trillion questions and feel like i'm signing my soul to the devil Jul 14 17:39:57 Google+ is awesome Jul 14 17:40:05 debating leaving FB for good Jul 14 17:40:11 once more people are on + Jul 14 17:40:36 hmmm, packaging up the normal spotify app does not seem to work Jul 14 17:40:42 wonder if there's something magical I'm missing Jul 14 17:40:46 i will sign up for google+ at one point Jul 14 17:40:55 More magic fairy dust Jul 14 17:41:05 is the saurik in here the saurik (Jay Freeman) from Cydia fame? Jul 14 17:41:20 I hope it is :) Jul 14 17:41:24 Whois him Jul 14 17:41:25 chpwn hangs out in here too Jul 14 17:41:27 It says his name Jul 14 17:41:37 saurik is ~saurik@carrier.saurik.com * Jay Freeman (saurik) Jul 14 17:41:40 oh shit, it's him! Jul 14 17:42:00 I hope he jumps on the homebrew bandwagon if he hasn't already Jul 14 17:42:01 He's also in #webos-internals Jul 14 17:42:10 has a + Jul 14 17:42:32 yeah, don't know if the voice is because he's a bit of a star or if he's up to something ;) Jul 14 17:43:25 "google + turbo beta with optimization" Jul 14 17:45:16 hi Jul 14 17:45:26 all i know i now have an aol email account! Jul 14 17:45:32 Tibfib: you mentioned me Jul 14 17:45:33 ? Jul 14 17:45:55 chpwn: someone recognized saurik, so I mentioned you were here too Jul 14 17:46:18 ah Jul 14 17:47:16 so tib did u try out the game Jul 14 17:47:17 Tibfib: My Palm Pre is even showing up in the Spotify app now. I can choose which playlists to sync to it and stuff Jul 14 17:47:36 hmmm mine isn't Jul 14 17:47:51 I don't have Premium but it's letting me use their mobile app and sync to my phone Jul 14 17:48:04 fxspec06: I have not Jul 14 17:48:15 mmk Jul 14 17:48:32 sorry Jul 14 17:48:34 j/w no rush Jul 14 17:49:19 * fxspec06 throws knives at tibfib Jul 14 17:50:18 well shoot Jul 14 17:50:24 spotify doesn't work at all on my phone Jul 14 17:50:36 and you signed up for Premium? Jul 14 17:50:45 I have been messing with the source Jul 14 17:50:48 ah Jul 14 17:50:53 but I thought for sure a delete and re-isntall would work Jul 14 17:51:36 so there's a webOS spotify app? works with the US accounts and stuff? Jul 14 17:52:06 yeah and i was gonna sign up but they won't let me today Jul 14 17:52:25 funkatron: Yup Jul 14 17:52:37 any spotify users? Jul 14 17:52:38 * twbbas shuts the door Jul 14 17:52:40 Me! Jul 14 17:52:49 free or premium? Jul 14 17:52:55 Free but the mobile app works fine for me Jul 14 17:52:55 funkatron: the webOS app is okay Jul 14 17:52:59 right Jul 14 17:53:05 twbbas: how'd you sign up?! Jul 14 17:53:06 hey the app loaded Jul 14 17:53:06 * fxspec06 wants to be Jul 14 17:53:08 like, a *functional* app is a good sign. Jul 14 17:53:11 PatrickC: let me get you the link Jul 14 17:53:15 I have to wait for an invite :/ Jul 14 17:53:16 oh wait Jul 14 17:53:18 awesome :D Jul 14 17:53:22 they ran out of invites today from my link Jul 14 17:53:22 twbbas has one patrick Jul 14 17:53:24 funkatron: I'm about to write some patches Jul 14 17:53:28 word Jul 14 17:53:28 but you can still sign up and you may get an invite faster Jul 14 17:53:29 up in it Jul 14 17:53:32 * twbbas goes to get the link Jul 14 17:53:41 thx Jul 14 17:53:56 fxspec06: how's leaderboards? Jul 14 17:53:59 http://bit.ly/n5tGag Jul 14 17:54:02 i think Jul 14 17:54:05 they may be working Jul 14 17:54:06 but Jul 14 17:54:13 PatrickC: You have to sign up to Klout first for it to work Jul 14 17:54:20 ok Jul 14 17:54:23 Tibfib, summatusmentis did it and it worked for them Jul 14 17:54:30 oh god Jul 14 17:54:31 Klout Jul 14 17:54:32 but when fxspec06 did it, it said they were out of invites Jul 14 17:54:35 fuck that shit Jul 14 17:54:36 i haven't submitted anything yet, and my app isn't registered for leaderboards right now Jul 14 17:54:37 shoot. there's definitely a backend for spotify. now how they package it I do not know Jul 14 17:54:50 If I get 2 more people to sign up via that link then I get 1 month of Spotify Premium for free Jul 14 17:55:42 PatrickC: I'm gonna go set it up for leaderboard support, then add a button to submit at the bottom.... you down to try when i get it working Jul 14 17:55:51 twbbas: it keeps launching impostah for .json file Jul 14 17:56:18 what? Jul 14 17:56:21 that link? Jul 14 17:56:40 no Jul 14 17:56:52 when I tried to sign up for Klout Jul 14 17:56:58 huh weird Jul 14 17:57:02 "Wow -- Everyone loves Spotify! Jul 14 17:57:10 same thing Jul 14 17:57:11 well it registered you signed up Jul 14 17:57:19 cool? Jul 14 17:57:20 i got same thing PatrickC Jul 14 17:57:22 try just going to klout.com now Jul 14 17:57:27 ok Jul 14 17:57:43 then perks Jul 14 17:57:50 I'm a networker Jul 14 17:57:55 I have Klout from about.me Jul 14 17:57:57 hello free account!!!!!! Jul 14 17:58:02 You got it? Jul 14 17:58:08 it says Jul 14 17:58:15 I got it Jul 14 17:58:17 Nice!!! Jul 14 17:58:18 i have available to claim Jul 14 17:58:18 and it said "Wow -- Everyone loves Spotify! Jul 14 17:58:25 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 14 17:58:47 I had a "Claim your free account" Jul 14 17:58:52 Nice Jul 14 17:58:56 I only need 1 more person Jul 14 17:58:57 :D Jul 14 17:58:58 but it said the whole "Come back tomorrow" junk Jul 14 17:59:01 yeah me too Jul 14 17:59:02 whatttt Jul 14 17:59:04 =9 Jul 14 17:59:05 that stinks Jul 14 17:59:05 =( Jul 14 17:59:16 i hate waiting til tomorrow Jul 14 17:59:19 i want shit now Jul 14 17:59:20 :( Jul 14 17:59:25 If I had an invite then I'd give to you Jul 14 17:59:43 :/ Jul 14 17:59:49 well.. link bookmarked :D Jul 14 18:00:46 I'll remind you guys tomorrow Jul 14 18:00:53 ok Jul 14 18:01:01 I set a task with the link for tomorrow too ;) Jul 14 18:01:11 nice Jul 14 18:01:45 showoff Jul 14 18:02:01 2 task apps :P Jul 14 18:02:18 oh i make mine in batch files in task-manager Jul 14 18:02:23 * fxspec06 don't need no task apps Jul 14 18:02:38 * twbbas doesn't need batch files either Jul 14 18:02:45 * twbbas remembers all things in his head Jul 14 18:03:51 Woo I got Premium! Jul 14 18:04:15 :D Jul 14 18:04:23 what's so special about premium? Jul 14 18:04:33 unlimited streaming, offline cache, no ad Jul 14 18:04:35 it's premium, duh Jul 14 18:04:38 and that Jul 14 18:04:52 do you want gold, or do you want premium gold Jul 14 18:05:25 super premium gold Jul 14 18:06:16 spotify premium+ Jul 14 18:06:21 ugg.. all the usernames I usually use are taken Jul 14 18:06:35 Wheeeeeeeeeeee!! Jul 14 18:06:40 lol NuttyBunny Jul 14 18:06:44 * fxspec06 slaps NuttyBunny Jul 14 18:06:53 NuttyBunny has gone crazy! Jul 14 18:07:09 * twbbas thinks NuttyBunny likes the Angry Birds easter egg just a little too much Jul 14 18:07:13 my Pre2 now does the "Wheeeee" sound ;) Jul 14 18:07:13 k everyone stop distracting me Jul 14 18:07:19 NuttyBunny: How?! Jul 14 18:07:44 can I cross launch the maps app? Jul 14 18:08:09 NuttyBunny: no it doesnt.. :P Jul 14 18:08:18 twbbas: copied it to /usr/share/systemsounds, and launched the sound from within PhotoFun, for testing. It will work on 0.9.7 ;) Jul 14 18:08:34 * PatrickC kicks Spotify Jul 14 18:08:44 also, with CSS, how do I center a block without specifying a width? Jul 14 18:08:44 oh haha. I thought you made a patch for the easter egg :D Jul 14 18:08:57 hmmm, it's like spotify never launches a stage Jul 14 18:09:00 twbbas: that /might/ not be too hard.. Jul 14 18:09:08 Tibfib: looking at the code? Jul 14 18:09:09 haeffb-pre: do you have your TP abound? Jul 14 18:09:14 PatrickC: yes Jul 14 18:09:14 around Jul 14 18:09:19 I saw that too Jul 14 18:09:32 I was looking at the app-assistant and didn't see a pushScene Jul 14 18:09:46 Spotify = magic Jul 14 18:09:51 lol Jul 14 18:10:02 that's the reason they use palm namespace :P Jul 14 18:10:03 it like fakes a multi stage app Jul 14 18:10:16 PatrickC: it is much more complicated than that. Jul 14 18:10:28 I looked briefly Jul 14 18:10:39 I don't use/understand multi-stage apps (yet) Jul 14 18:10:42 hmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 14 18:10:51 so, I only looked for what scene it pushed on startup Jul 14 18:10:56 noWindow is not set in spotify Jul 14 18:11:49 NuttyBunny: yes Jul 14 18:12:17 * twbbas wants a Spotify TouchPad app Jul 14 18:12:29 there has to be something I'm missing. Jul 14 18:12:45 Could you please my beta repo in preware?: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/photofun (compressed=yes) Jul 14 18:13:04 Ah, but hold on, lemme push 0.9.7, you'll like it Jul 14 18:15:35 haeffb-pre, twbbas : Go, update please, create 11 items, delete 11 items :D Jul 14 18:16:42 * haeffb-pre tryimg to figure out how to get it on the TP Jul 14 18:16:58 NuttyBunny: I think I have the latest version. It's saying update available but there's no update button in Preware... just remove Jul 14 18:17:04 nvm Jul 14 18:17:08 I'll just remove and re-install Jul 14 18:17:13 I have 0.9.6 Jul 14 18:17:18 update is 0.9.7 Jul 14 18:17:38 weird... It happens to me as well on the Pre Jul 14 18:18:13 Has anyone found the "Radio" mode in Spotify? It says that Premium users are supposed to have it but I can't find it Jul 14 18:18:25 twbbas: I have not seen it Jul 14 18:19:28 Tibfib: you are a premium? Jul 14 18:19:34 yes Jul 14 18:19:41 NuttyBunny: Installed. Adding 11 items Jul 14 18:19:46 how much is it? Jul 14 18:19:48 j/w Jul 14 18:19:56 it doesn't say on their site unless you sign up Jul 14 18:20:05 $10/mo Jul 14 18:20:10 $5 for unlimited streaming and no ads Jul 14 18:20:13 not bad Jul 14 18:21:14 hahahaahaa Jul 14 18:21:15 * NuttyBunny waits for twbbas reaction Jul 14 18:21:15 NuttyBunny! Jul 14 18:21:20 LOL Jul 14 18:21:22 WHEEE!! Jul 14 18:21:25 lol'ing irl Jul 14 18:21:50 ahhahaha Jul 14 18:21:54 what am I missing?!?!?!?! Jul 14 18:22:02 now it does it on deleting items 12, 13, 14... and so on! Jul 14 18:22:04 $15/mo? meh. Jul 14 18:22:10 $10 Jul 14 18:22:26 haeffb-pre, PatrickC : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/photofun/com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta_0.9.7_all.ipk Jul 14 18:22:31 then what's the first $5 for? Jul 14 18:22:45 Just unlimited streaming and no ads Jul 14 18:22:47 NuttyBunny: just added the feed Jul 14 18:22:51 11:15 < twbbas> $10/mo Jul 14 18:22:52 11:15 < twbbas> $5 for unlimited streaming and no ads Jul 14 18:23:00 https://www.spotify.com/us/get-spotify/overview/ Jul 14 18:23:10 dwc-: It's not added on top of the $5 Jul 14 18:23:26 You can pay either $10/mo to get EVERYTHING or just $5/mo to get the unlimited streaming and no ads part Jul 14 18:23:38 or listen for free for a limited amount Jul 14 18:23:41 oh, ok Jul 14 18:23:59 what does the unlimited provide that free doesn't? besides no ads? Jul 14 18:24:13 11.4MB?! Jul 14 18:24:52 offline mode, mobile playback, "play Spotify through music systems", enhanced sound, exclusive content Jul 14 18:24:56 PatrickC, stop complaining about the size :P Jul 14 18:25:02 hehe Jul 14 18:25:02 I'll trim it, eventually Jul 14 18:25:17 * twbbas wanted to make a joke right there but didn't Jul 14 18:25:30 still can't move items Jul 14 18:25:59 ah, it's your Pre. Did you commented the line I told you on enyo.js? Jul 14 18:26:15 you never told me to comment a like :P Jul 14 18:26:28 commenting on likes is impossible Jul 14 18:27:22 http://1876.voxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Spacebooklead.jpg Jul 14 18:27:22 madnificent!!! Jul 14 18:27:39 twbbas: that's my laptop Jul 14 18:27:47 vedygood!!!! Jul 14 18:27:48 dual 17 inch screens Jul 14 18:27:59 from: http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/14/gscreenlaptops-producing-crazy-dual-17-inch-spacebook-launches-pre-order/ Jul 14 18:28:05 twbbas: damn that is weird, but cool Jul 14 18:28:15 PatrickC, Check lumberjack, tell me the error when you try to move an item Jul 14 18:28:18 I don't remember the line Jul 14 18:28:34 lumberjack doesn't work on my phone.. srsly Jul 14 18:28:46 :/ Jul 14 18:28:50 and not near sdk pc Jul 14 18:29:14 mmm... Jul 14 18:29:27 ahhhh has anyone had experience with changing the background of sliding panes? Jul 14 18:29:28 how can Lumberjack not work on your phone? Jul 14 18:29:36 sugardave: no clue Jul 14 18:29:39 it used to Jul 14 18:29:39 twbbas: still no luck? Jul 14 18:29:41 then stopped Jul 14 18:29:52 hehe just restarted my pre2 Jul 14 18:29:53 oil doesn't know either Jul 14 18:29:58 sugardave: I just can't get the panes to look and function correctly Jul 14 18:30:02 Tibfib: why? Jul 14 18:30:08 ares debugger Jul 14 18:30:14 twbbas: want to paste me your custom kind? Jul 14 18:30:21 sure Jul 14 18:30:34 pasteBIN Jul 14 18:30:52 NuttyBunny: and now that you added those lines to say what the buttons are, I can't see all the buttons :P Jul 14 18:30:57 I've never done custom kinds before but I *think* I did it right: http://pastebin.com/6N2R5JGX Jul 14 18:31:56 twbbas: so, what are you using the client published property to do? Jul 14 18:32:24 sugardave: To be honest, I have no idea what a published property does. I just thought it was needed when using a custom kind. Jul 14 18:33:17 twbbas: okay, the purpose is to have automatic setter/getter methods for those properties Jul 14 18:33:33 * Tibfib gives up on crazy spotify for now Jul 14 18:33:41 they cheat somehow Jul 14 18:33:46 so you would be able to run setClient(arg) and it would set that property for you Jul 14 18:33:56 or getClient() to retrieve it Jul 14 18:33:59 oh Jul 14 18:34:01 in this case, unnecessary Jul 14 18:34:04 k Jul 14 18:34:07 *removed* Jul 14 18:34:31 so now you have this thing...pastebin me the part where you declare this kind Jul 14 18:34:57 PatrickC: I need the error Jul 14 18:35:15 uhhh declare? :S I have to do something else besides just using kind:"MyKind"? Jul 14 18:35:28 when you use it inside another kind Jul 14 18:35:53 like you defined the kind there, then later you declare where you want to use it Jul 14 18:36:09 by including it in some components block of another kind Jul 14 18:36:28 sugardave: is your TP ready? Jul 14 18:37:01 brb Jul 14 18:37:02 NuttyBunny: if I looked at it now, I couldn't give you an accurate representation of the shipping OS :D Jul 14 18:37:38 sugardave: I'm so confused. I use it like this: {name: "middle", kind:"MyKind", components: [ Jul 14 18:37:38 you "should", just to "give" me a number ;) Jul 14 18:38:07 twbbas: no problem, that's the part I want to see Jul 14 18:38:13 k pasting Jul 14 18:38:33 sugardave lives! Jul 14 18:38:39 RAWR Jul 14 18:38:56 sugardave: http://pastebin.com/QLC34e3U Jul 14 18:40:57 my TP is being very laggy. time to reboot (usually it does that on its own so I don't have to...) Jul 14 18:42:18 twbbas: woo, complex....so one thing you can do, in your custom kind's "client" component...you can make that component be a VFlexBox kind and eliminate one structure in the last paste Jul 14 18:42:29 also, you seem to have a LOT of inline styles going on Jul 14 18:42:57 Yeah, I did those when I first started enyo Jul 14 18:43:26 haeffb: lol Jul 14 18:43:56 sugardave: Done. Jul 14 18:44:40 Spaz HD is FULL of inline styles Jul 14 18:44:45 maybe we're going about this all wrong and you should just extend the Sliding Pane Jul 14 18:44:54 maybe that's what I should do today Jul 14 18:44:56 fix the css Jul 14 18:45:33 sugardave: To give you an idea, I'm trying to make it look similar to the Photos apps. With a list of items on the left and a pane that can slide on the right Jul 14 18:45:33 yeah, I'd like to avoid inline styles whenever possible Jul 14 18:46:11 * Tibfib migrates all .css files into inline styles Jul 14 18:46:39 twbbas: let me play around with a sample app...so your main requirement is that you want a sliding pane where you can change the interior background, right? Jul 14 18:47:18 sugardave: Yes. Similar to the Photos app. Jul 14 18:47:33 sugardave: Thanks for helping me for so long :D Jul 14 18:47:44 and putting up with my sloppy coding Jul 14 18:49:14 twbbas: it may be a little while, but I will try to get a working example today Jul 14 18:49:27 sugardave: thanks Jul 14 18:49:47 sugardave: how's the palm life? Jul 14 18:50:50 why do you do that tibfib Jul 14 18:52:42 just curious Jul 14 18:55:14 fxspec06: hmmm? Jul 14 18:55:54 oh why do you migrate to inline styles Jul 14 18:55:57 what's the advantage Jul 14 18:56:00 sugardave: do you have a minute? Jul 14 18:56:11 * fxspec06 wonders how his formula came to the value of infinity Jul 14 18:57:31 fxspec06: twas a joke Jul 14 18:57:34 it's bad practice Jul 14 18:57:43 lol okay Jul 14 18:57:59 haha Jul 14 19:00:05 aha divide by zero would do it Jul 14 19:00:28 0/0 is error Jul 14 19:00:34 40/0 is infinity Jul 14 19:00:49 0/0 = 1 Jul 14 19:01:07 it should be Jul 14 19:01:15 maybe Jul 14 19:01:18 no Jul 14 19:01:22 0/0 is never 1 Jul 14 19:01:29 it should error. Jul 14 19:01:33 you have zero parts of something that doesn't exist Jul 14 19:01:37 yeah Jul 14 19:01:40 but it makes sense in my mind for 0/0 to be 1 Jul 14 19:01:48 well your mind is fucked Jul 14 19:01:49 "anything over itself is 1" Jul 14 19:01:53 0/0 == 0 Jul 14 19:01:55 whoa. Jul 14 19:02:09 0/0 == 666 Jul 14 19:02:10 hahaha Jul 14 19:02:18 my calculator said "Math Error" Jul 14 19:02:22 when I tried 0/0 Jul 14 19:02:36 my calculator said i need to get better at math Jul 14 19:02:46 lol Jul 14 19:02:48 then it asked me to go for a walk Jul 14 19:03:08 idk ok i think i made a scoring thing Jul 14 19:03:10 SHARK WEEK IS COMING! Jul 14 19:03:17 * akanster does a dance Jul 14 19:04:07 lol Jul 14 19:04:49 twbbas: just got the invitation code, thanks Jul 14 19:05:14 * summatusmentis ponders whether or not Premium is worth the price Jul 14 19:05:17 summatusmentis: No, thank you! Jul 14 19:05:38 did you get your month of premium? Jul 14 19:05:50 yup! Jul 14 19:05:59 neat Jul 14 19:06:25 * PatrickC didn't :/ Jul 14 19:06:32 are you gonna keep paying for it? Jul 14 19:06:52 summatusmentis: Probably not Jul 14 19:06:59 the mobile app worked fine for me before I got my 1 month premium Jul 14 19:07:05 I don't know if that's a glitch or something Jul 14 19:07:07 keep getting referrals :) Jul 14 19:07:28 the mobile app should work w/o it? shouldn't it? Jul 14 19:07:40 it's not supposed to Jul 14 19:07:47 that's supposed to be the $10/mo feature Jul 14 19:07:58 twbbas: wait, rly? Jul 14 19:08:02 for mobile??? Jul 14 19:08:04 summatusmentis: Yup Jul 14 19:08:04 :'( Jul 14 19:08:22 twbbas: neat... is the mobile app in the catalog? Jul 14 19:08:23 summatusmentis: The desktop player even recognized I had was using my Pre and asked to sync it before I got my premium code Jul 14 19:08:27 summatusmentis: Yup! Jul 14 19:08:40 for all devices? Jul 14 19:08:51 Any phone Jul 14 19:08:52 webOS Jul 14 19:08:57 TouchPad - not available Jul 14 19:09:03 not TP though Jul 14 19:09:07 ah, ok Jul 14 19:10:45 bbl Jul 14 19:10:59 hrm, it doesn't seem to have some of the music I listen to Jul 14 19:12:03 weird Jul 14 19:12:12 oooo I get it Jul 14 19:12:25 you listen to Rebecca Black :p That's the only thing I haven't found in their catalog Jul 14 19:13:03 no, I listen to a lot of local MN bands, or other "hipster" bands :-P Jul 14 19:13:11 ah Jul 14 19:13:18 You can import your own music into Spotify Jul 14 19:13:28 holy shit, it's syncing wirelessly Jul 14 19:13:31 yeah! Jul 14 19:13:35 !! Jul 14 19:13:50 !!! I might have just found what I want Jul 14 19:13:57 :D Jul 14 19:13:57 summatusmentis: except the webOS app is ... poor Jul 14 19:14:02 so, can I import my music into spotfiy, and make it stream? Jul 14 19:14:07 summatusmentis: I do love spotify though Jul 14 19:14:07 Tibfib: what do you mean? Jul 14 19:14:09 summatusmentis: I don't know about that Jul 14 19:14:27 summatusmentis: it works, but it's not great Jul 14 19:14:30 summatusmentis: You can play local files from inside Spotify though Jul 14 19:14:37 twbbas: right Jul 14 19:14:38 hrm Jul 14 19:14:53 basically what I'm trying to figure out is if Spotify can replace ampache for me :) Jul 14 19:17:39 Nintendo 3DS has Netflix but webOS doesn't :( Jul 14 19:22:41 DontAskAdora: Any word on when Differences will be reviewed? You said in the email that it would be assigned for review yesterday :( Jul 14 19:23:03 oooohhhhh! busted! Jul 14 19:23:13 shhh be nice :) Jul 14 19:26:01 twbbas: how long have you been waiting for review? Jul 14 19:28:27 10 business days for my in-app item and 7 business days for my update. There was a database error that I DontAskAdora fixed Tuesday night and said that it'd be assigned for review the next day. Jul 14 19:28:52 twbbas: I think something's still wrong with that Jul 14 19:29:08 DontAskAdora: Dang! Anything I can do? Jul 14 19:29:09 I'm not able to see any of your items in the app, anyway Jul 14 19:29:44 :( Jul 14 19:30:25 DontAskAdora: Can you see that an update is pending? I could create a new in-app item and see if that shows up. Jul 14 19:31:18 You can't ask DontAskAdora ;) Jul 14 19:31:35 hey folks, if any of you are in London tomorrow, there'll be a mini-meetup at 1pm at Milk Bar in Soho (http://www.qype.co.uk/place/154398-Milk-Bar-London) to discuss and plan more regular meetups Jul 14 19:31:36 heh Jul 14 19:31:42 twbbas: from what I can tell, everything is submitted correctly Jul 14 19:31:56 I'll be there with a touchpad & laptop, so if you want to test your apps, bring them along on a usb key. Jul 14 19:32:09 you're able to get the list of items and purchase with a device flashed on SDK? Jul 14 19:33:00 DontAskAdora: My device has the 3.0 doctor downloaded from the website. I'm not seeing any items. How do I flash on the SDK? Jul 14 19:33:09 DontAskAdora: And I could see the items before I doctored Jul 14 19:33:19 that's how I tested them Jul 14 19:33:55 check the early access forums =] Jul 14 19:34:08 Will do Jul 14 19:34:56 but if they worked for you before you reflashed, and they appear to be submitted correctly, then I gotta go bug engineering again Jul 14 19:35:08 silly engineering! Jul 14 19:35:52 wait a second... Jul 14 19:36:00 DontAskAdora: Ok, thanks! Jul 14 19:38:48 hey folks! Jul 14 19:38:55 little while no show i know.. :) Jul 14 19:38:55 hi Jul 14 19:40:00 does anyone here know if the novaterm file transfer gui thing works on linux? Jul 14 19:43:47 hola adora Jul 14 19:45:27 wow.... aim spam. that brings back memories Jul 14 19:46:13 haha Jul 14 19:51:59 ajay: novacom get and put work on Linux Jul 14 19:52:06 work? Jul 14 19:52:14 twbbas: these ads part-way through my album is gonna get irritating Jul 14 19:52:54 got novacom Jul 14 19:53:33 ah, I didn't read "gui" :S Jul 14 20:07:28 NuttyBunny_Pre2: ping Jul 14 20:08:04 PatrickC: You made me lose in Supersonic :P Jul 14 20:08:12 hehe Jul 14 20:08:33 I can't move the file to /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo Jul 14 20:09:01 why? use internalz's master mode Jul 14 20:09:14 the /enyo isn't there Jul 14 20:10:03 I just moved it to /media/cryptofs/apps/enyo/0.10/build Jul 14 20:10:10 reboot needed? Jul 14 20:10:16 nope Jul 14 20:10:25 ok Jul 14 20:10:26 did it overwrite the previous file? Jul 14 20:10:36 yes Jul 14 20:10:56 cool Jul 14 20:10:57 works now Jul 14 20:11:16 nice. Toy around, create 11 objects, throw them to the trash ;) Jul 14 20:11:26 wheeeee!! Jul 14 20:11:56 lol Jul 14 20:12:07 I have to turn it to landscape to see the icons Jul 14 20:12:14 they are not in view like last time Jul 14 20:12:53 yep, I know, you already said that :) next version will get rid of the labels :) Jul 14 20:13:00 ok ;) Jul 14 20:13:43 sounds trashy.. Jul 14 20:13:46 ;^) Jul 14 20:13:54 haha Jul 14 20:14:26 NuttyBunny_Pre2: what's the pic in the "test" dir? :) Jul 14 20:14:57 "images/test/test.jpg" Jul 14 20:15:31 the test image I use when I use Chrome (filepicker won't work) Jul 14 20:15:47 lol Jul 14 20:21:15 someone ping me Jul 14 20:21:29 PatrickC, Ping Jul 14 20:21:37 YEAH!!! Jul 14 20:21:45 the vibrator on the phone works again! Jul 14 20:21:52 wooooooooo Jul 14 20:21:55 hehehe Jul 14 20:22:17 PatrickC: PINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Jul 14 20:22:33 lol Jul 14 20:23:02 i got leaderboards working Jul 14 20:23:08 but i haven't been able to work on it Jul 14 20:23:10 turning the ringer switch to off makes the phone vibrate. Jul 14 20:23:14 b/c i've been fixing a glitch Jul 14 20:23:29 that i'm about to give up on. Jul 14 20:23:38 Tibfib: the vibrator has been broken for everything but IMs Jul 14 20:23:51 emails, pings, PMs, Spaz notifications, etc. Jul 14 20:23:55 broke.. Jul 14 20:42:44 I have webOS as my wallpaper and my girlfriend said "What is webows" Jul 14 20:43:15 lol Jul 14 20:43:16 bbl Jul 14 20:49:37 http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/14/dewitt-rubinstein-interview-exclusive/ - Josh Topolsky interviews Ruby & Steve DeWitt Jul 14 20:51:48 nice! I just finished reading the endgadget DeWitt interview Jul 14 20:52:02 ruby looks creepy Jul 14 20:52:11 haha. tehe first comment said that too Jul 14 20:52:15 the* Jul 14 20:59:06 this interview has a lot of enterprise speak Jul 14 21:03:14 damn you patrick Jul 14 21:03:19 always leave for school Jul 14 21:06:33 TIMN: Will they hit parity soon though? Before the end of the year? Jul 14 21:06:33 Jon: We’re not giving any timeline on that. Jul 14 21:06:33 TIMN: But it will happen? Jul 14 21:06:33 Jon: No, I haven’t even said it’s going to happen. I chose my words very carefully. Sometime in the future we will re-converge these, but right now that’s not the plan. Jul 14 21:06:50 talking about pre3 and touchpad versions of webOS Jul 14 21:06:52 hRMmm Jul 14 21:20:19 "Starting around July 17th and beyond and all the way back to school, you will see the kind of weight that a company launching something special like this is going to put." -- I sure hope so Jul 14 21:21:16 hate to ask, but has anyone seen issues with Google calendar syncing with VZW's Pre 2 (2.0.1) Jul 14 21:39:14 hey guys, have a quick question for anyone who has ever used Depot, db8, and HTML5 SQLite: which one is faster? Jul 14 21:44:15 Depot === SQLite Jul 14 21:44:35 I believe Jul 14 21:44:56 but SQLite is slower on webOS 3.0 than earlier versions Jul 14 21:45:14 I see Jul 14 21:45:27 at least that's been my experience. Jul 14 21:45:52 I'm trying to decide whether I should just stick to depot, or use Ian Beck's database library for SQLite Jul 14 21:46:25 speed is the main thing, but if they're the same on 2.x and under, I'll just stay with depot Jul 14 21:46:40 Haven't benchmarked any of them Jul 14 21:47:42 has anyone heard any update ETA on 2.1 for Verizon? I'm about to throw my pre 2 down the hall Jul 14 21:48:33 nope, verizon is good at surprising people Jul 14 21:48:40 it'll probably be released at the same time as your Pre 2 shatters into a million tiny pieces Jul 14 21:48:57 haeffb: that could be in an hour or less the rate I'm going Jul 14 21:49:07 i'm about to throw it down the hall Jul 14 21:49:36 I could've sworn I heard they released 2.1 already Jul 14 21:49:44 yeah, in march Jul 14 21:49:51 vzn did a limited release a month ago Jul 14 21:50:13 oh so not everyone got 2.1 on verizon? Jul 14 21:50:24 but then when i talked to vzn a few days ago, they blamed palm for the delay Jul 14 21:50:35 rsanchez1, oh, no, i'm still on 2.0.1 Jul 14 21:50:58 i can't even work out if i can frankenpre it like my old Pre+ Jul 14 21:53:18 http://jalopnik.com/5821178/watch-freaked-out-mom-get-tossed-around-track-by-corvette+driving-son Jul 14 21:55:12 That url just made me lol Jul 14 21:55:21 I haven't even opened it yet Jul 14 21:58:22 be back momentarily ... removing the sdk Jul 14 22:00:55 got this email from linkedin --> "This Google+ cheat sheet includes most of the common syntax, hotkeys and tips you need to know to use Google+ like a pro." Jul 14 22:01:37 Google+ has been out like 2 days... how does one become a pro in 2 days... lol Jul 14 22:01:50 I saw that cheat sheet Jul 14 22:01:53 posted it on my G+ Jul 14 22:02:22 lol Jul 14 22:02:45 Woah Jul 14 22:02:54 10m people on G+ with 1B items shared Jul 14 22:03:22 That's A TON considering it hasn't been out the long AND it requires an invite Jul 14 22:03:51 yeah, read that Jul 14 22:04:54 then again google chrome has done in 1 year that firefox has done in like 5 or more years, the power of dominance Jul 14 22:05:09 2 days? I've had it way longer than that, and I wasn't even an early adopter! Jul 14 22:05:34 dwc-: yeah it has been like since june, just exagerated Jul 14 22:05:39 lol Jul 14 22:05:46 if i have the name of control as a string, how do I get the object of it so that i can set its properties Jul 14 22:06:07 enyo? Jul 14 22:06:09 mojo? Jul 14 22:06:12 enyo Jul 14 22:06:33 this.$[aString] ? Jul 14 22:06:41 really i can do that? Jul 14 22:06:43 :D Jul 14 22:06:53 maybe the pros are meployees Jul 14 22:06:54 i guess that would make sense Jul 14 22:07:05 if it's a component of "this" Jul 14 22:07:21 sugardave: why is my datepicker in mojo broken on the TP? Jul 14 22:07:28 haeffb, thanks Jul 14 22:07:58 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16211 Jul 14 22:08:42 one of the g+ employees gave me a little bit of a hard time for not having my full name in my g profile ... Jul 14 22:10:46 g+ is about 10 years too late Jul 14 22:11:08 you mean it should have come out before facebook? Jul 14 22:11:23 by 2-3 years? Jul 14 22:11:29 G Jul 14 22:11:41 dwc-, http://i.imgur.com/FM4tN.jpg Jul 14 22:11:46 that about sums it up Jul 14 22:12:23 there is no point to use G+ Jul 14 22:12:28 is that times square destroyed? Jul 14 22:12:49 for myspace Jul 14 22:14:09 lmao Jul 14 22:14:46 I'm not sure what that's intended to convey Jul 14 22:14:53 got my enyo app rejected, b/c the slider does not have on tap functionality... only when finger slides it... anyone know how to fix that.... Jul 14 22:15:04 http://twitter.com/#!/palm/status/91607250216566784 Jul 14 22:15:45 dwc-, everyone who is on G+ is already on FB, so what really is the point of using G+ Jul 14 22:15:48 that is the poiint Jul 14 22:15:51 LoneStar99: rly? Jul 14 22:15:53 what app? Jul 14 22:15:54 "enshrined" Jul 14 22:16:08 them's big words Jul 14 22:16:17 * DontAskAdora enshrines her foot in funkatron's mom Jul 14 22:16:33 ... Jul 14 22:16:34 are you into that? Jul 14 22:16:37 PuffTheMagic: I think there a number of people who don't use FB Jul 14 22:16:37 DontAskAdora Drop 1.0.0 XL for TP Jul 14 22:16:42 apparently SHE is Jul 14 22:16:47 I guess! Jul 14 22:16:53 750million people use facebook. 10 million use G+ Jul 14 22:16:59 It *could* gain traction Jul 14 22:17:09 10mil ? Jul 14 22:17:13 Yup Jul 14 22:17:16 people said the same thing about facebook vs myspace Jul 14 22:17:17 LoneStar99: I don't know if that even CAN be fixed Jul 14 22:17:22 orkut vs friendster, etc. Jul 14 22:17:29 I agree, dwc- Jul 14 22:17:31 DontAskAdora: yeah, that is what I thought.... Jul 14 22:17:33 twbbas, i call BS, 10 might be the number of people with gmail accounts Jul 14 22:17:44 but i doubt that many actually using g+ Jul 14 22:17:51 Apparently 1 billion items have been shared already Jul 14 22:17:54 too Jul 14 22:17:54 I, personally, have posted more content to g+ than FB Jul 14 22:17:54 i have gmail but no g+ Jul 14 22:18:08 2 > 0 Jul 14 22:18:22 DontAskAdora: can my app be pushed through until I find a fix if there is even one... Jul 14 22:18:38 I'm taking a look now Jul 14 22:18:52 tsktsktsk Jul 14 22:18:52 i sense facebook will hit 1 billion users in about 2 months Jul 14 22:18:57 Yup Jul 14 22:19:06 I wonder how many of those 1 billion are spam accounts, though Jul 14 22:19:11 1 billion "users" Jul 14 22:19:17 how many billion people are on the internet, anyways Jul 14 22:19:25 10 billion! Jul 14 22:19:27 ;) Jul 14 22:19:33 i personally have 2 FB accoungs Jul 14 22:19:37 accounts Jul 14 22:19:37 Why? Jul 14 22:19:39 the way the slider's laid out, it's easy to accidentally draw on the picture Jul 14 22:20:07 what about putting a little background behind it and/or making it modal? Jul 14 22:20:08 I have 3 FB accounts... technically... a personal one I don't use, one I had to get for some fb integration testing for work, and one that was a proof of concept of social engineering... I use none of them. Jul 14 22:20:11 DontAskAdora: maybe I should add an overlay... Jul 14 22:20:35 at least google is really good at adding good features to their programs Jul 14 22:20:48 i have never been un happy with a google update Jul 14 22:21:12 DontAskAdora between canvas and tools, when tools icon is clicked... ?? Jul 14 22:21:15 fb its always like your changing the site again so i cant find any thing Jul 14 22:21:24 LoneStar99: yeah Jul 14 22:21:27 I wasn't too fond of buzz's autofollowing thing Jul 14 22:21:54 DontAskAdora: would that be enough to push it through =) ?? Jul 14 22:22:08 is buzz still around? Jul 14 22:22:56 DontAskAdora, you when did you steal oils nick scheme? Jul 14 22:23:11 yep. still around. Jul 14 22:23:21 dwc-: k Jul 14 22:23:44 i thought wave was gonna be a replacement for adobe connect Jul 14 22:23:47 that never happened Jul 14 22:24:14 wave needed a client that wasn't slow... Jul 14 22:24:29 LoneStar99: yeah, that should be ok Jul 14 22:24:42 wave is g+'s backedn Jul 14 22:25:00 DontAskAdora: ok fixing now will thanks Jul 14 22:26:09 h_spec you can definitely metadoc to 2.1 on a vzpre+ Jul 14 22:26:37 s/pre+/pre2 Jul 14 22:27:41 hmm ... getting sorely tempted ... Jul 14 22:27:52 doing another regular webdoc on it now Jul 14 22:28:10 maybe i can tell where it breaks Jul 14 22:29:11 it's breaking? how long has that been going on? yeah watch the cmd-line output for sure.. Jul 14 22:29:33 i metadoc'd my vzPre2 to 2.1, works .. as expected. Jul 14 22:29:49 * ajay is really waiting for 2.1.x or 2.2 to come out for the Pre2!! Jul 14 22:30:07 or 3.1! Jul 14 22:30:37 i don't have command line output, but i'm having problems with google calendar sync (something i haven't seen reported since 1.3) ... last night i webos doctored to vzn's 2.0.1, calendar synched perfectly, but somewhere between that and adding preware and 3 patches it broke Jul 14 22:31:16 broke like it doesn't sync anything, or broke like it doesn't like your login/password? Jul 14 22:31:41 refused to sync pre->google ... google->pre is just fine though Jul 14 22:31:48 dwc-: haha.. Jul 14 22:32:34 i wish it was an ID-10-T error ... Jul 14 22:32:36 DontAskAdora: Are you not able to see our update for the actual app either? If you can see it, would it be able to get reviewed? We want to submit another update tomorrow. Jul 14 22:33:11 "You should expect a steady stream of interesting products coming out of here." Jul 14 22:33:20 twbbas: app itself works, I can publish that without items if you want Jul 14 22:33:22 i hope sprint is gonna get in on this stream Jul 14 22:33:41 doing initial boot now Jul 14 22:33:42 DontAskAdora: I'd prefer that. Having no items in it won't hurt it anymore than having no items in the currently released version. Jul 14 22:33:51 Thanks Jul 14 22:34:10 twbbas: k, doing that now Jul 14 22:34:39 I'm gonna go ahead and reject the item, too...maybe something in the manual push didn't work right Jul 14 22:35:01 DontAskAdora: Should we create another item? Jul 14 22:35:24 let's try having you resubmit the same item first Jul 14 22:35:29 ok Jul 14 22:38:19 okay ... getting ready to test the calendar with a fresh install Jul 14 22:40:33 it's working ... putting preware on next Jul 14 22:40:44 Anyone know if it it's possible to download a file and then store it inside the app's directory? I've only seen examples of storing it in the media/internal/ folder Jul 14 22:43:06 DontAskAdora: When I go to resubmit the in-app item there isn't a "Submit for Review" button like before. There's just "edit." Jul 14 22:45:44 twbbas: maybe you have to go through the edit workflow to be able to resubmit? Jul 14 22:45:57 (this is all new, I've never rejected an item before) Jul 14 22:46:42 my eyes glazed over when i took my first look at Eclipse ... i don't see me making anything in the near future Jul 14 22:47:15 what is the recommented way of testinf an object is a dict? Jul 14 22:47:39 DontAskAdora: That was it. Re-submitted. Jul 14 22:50:18 so, all that i have done was install preware, and google stopped working Jul 14 22:50:31 H_spectra: Weird. Could it be connected? Jul 14 22:50:38 sounds like your phone has issues :P Jul 14 22:50:57 dwc-: Don't all legacy webOS phones? ;) Jul 14 22:51:09 twbbas: heck if i know ... hence why i'm here Jul 14 22:51:15 twbbas: by 'legacy' you mean everything before the pre3, right? ;) Jul 14 22:51:21 haha Jul 14 22:51:56 I'm really excited for the Pre 3 Jul 14 22:52:07 The Pre 2 build quality is superb and the Pre 3 is supposed to be a ton better. Jul 14 22:52:25 i'm excited for the pre 2 to work ... there's no way in hades i can afford a 3 ... or a tp for that matter Jul 14 22:52:28 pre 2 is niiiiicee Jul 14 22:52:51 H_spectra: Make some killer apps! :D Jul 14 22:53:03 thats the lazy way! Jul 14 22:53:12 halfhalo: Lol? Jul 14 22:53:39 twbbas: i can't figure out how to run Eclipse ... i grew up on QBasic and Visual Basic ... i never learned Java and CSS Jul 14 22:54:26 H_spectra: You could write Enyo apps using something else besides Eclipse Jul 14 22:54:36 I use Programmers Notepad Jul 14 22:54:56 i suspect i would need a lot of help ... tutor? Jul 14 22:55:14 =^_^= Jul 14 22:55:29 I could help you set up your work environment but not really help with actually programming in enyo. I'm still beginning myself =\ Jul 14 22:55:42 ahh ... Jul 14 22:56:16 the one thing i know for sure is i have the wrong virtual box for working with Pre's ... the 3.0 SDK only emulates the touchpad from what i can see Jul 14 22:56:35 Java is not javascript, for clarity Jul 14 22:56:50 is there a quick way to determine if an object is an array or dict? Jul 14 22:56:50 java is to javascript as ham is to hamlet Jul 14 22:56:59 heh, point taken Jul 14 22:57:29 PuffTheMagic: what is a "dict"? Jul 14 22:57:38 sorry thats python Jul 14 22:57:40 hash Jul 14 22:57:41 associtive array Jul 14 22:57:44 associative array, etc Jul 14 22:57:44 ah Jul 14 22:57:48 Tibfib: i find it hard that it "looks" similar to java but its not related Jul 14 22:57:51 PuffTheMagic: yes there is Jul 14 22:58:03 lemme find link Jul 14 22:58:27 http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/#isArray Jul 14 22:58:33 underscore is awesome. Jul 14 22:58:34 Epyon22: syntactically, there's some similarity, I suppose Jul 14 22:58:57 I thought every js object was an associative array Jul 14 22:59:01 Tibfib, how does that differentiate an array from an associtive array? Jul 14 22:59:05 i also dont use it often and have been using java for ever Jul 14 22:59:10 dunno Jul 14 22:59:26 PuffTheMagic: all array's have the "length" property. Not all objects do. Jul 14 22:59:28 like, foo['bar'] is the same as foo.bar Jul 14 22:59:28 most don't Jul 14 22:59:42 dwc-: it is Jul 14 23:00:34 PuffTheMagic: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/docs/underscore.html#section-86 Jul 14 23:01:29 That's awesome: "Is the given value NaN? NaN happens to be the only value in JavaScript that does not equal itself." Jul 14 23:01:46 well it's stupid. but it's awesome. Jul 14 23:01:53 that sounds reasonable... NaN (-infty) is not the same as NaN (division by zero) ;) Jul 14 23:02:29 but you don't decide which NaN it is. Jul 14 23:02:32 PatrickC: ping Jul 14 23:02:36 well, you can't tell which one it is Jul 14 23:03:00 dwc-: the function: return obj !== obj; Jul 14 23:03:54 Epyon22: I don't know java so I can't respond to that hah. Jul 14 23:05:43 so this is lame, if i want to make a flyweight that has its rows populated with data from a {}, i need to maintain a separate [] of keys that map to the {} Jul 14 23:06:28 PuffTheMagic: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/#keys Jul 14 23:06:30 i need a hashed flyweight :D Jul 14 23:06:52 Tibfib, how is keys ordered Jul 14 23:07:03 they need to correspond to rowIndex of the flyweight Jul 14 23:07:25 http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/docs/underscore.html#section-62 Jul 14 23:07:31 for(var in obj) Jul 14 23:07:51 i know how to iterate though an array Jul 14 23:08:03 that's how you iterate through an object. Jul 14 23:08:20 setupRow gives me an integer Jul 14 23:08:20 PuffTheMagic: just trying to help bro. Jul 14 23:08:33 i need to go from that integer to a key Jul 14 23:09:19 an ordered dict essentially Jul 14 23:10:35 which is why i think i need a separate list of the keys in the order that corresponds to the flyweight row Jul 14 23:10:52 two hashes, (key -> intermediate key) (intermediate key -> data)? Jul 14 23:11:36 so in that case key would be an int? Jul 14 23:11:50 I don't know... whatever your key would normally be? Jul 14 23:12:23 i have a unique hash for each of my data elements which im using for the key in my main array Jul 14 23:12:25 you're trying to store key -> data efficiently, where data is repeated, right? Jul 14 23:12:32 but i can use this {} to populate the flyweight Jul 14 23:12:49 and a int key would only be useful for the flyweight Jul 14 23:13:06 all other times i access the data will through the hash key Jul 14 23:13:28 i wish setupRow was function(inSender, inHash) Jul 14 23:13:32 then i would be all set Jul 14 23:13:49 wouldn't a multi-dimensional array be easier? Jul 14 23:14:06 i wouldnt have direct access in an array Jul 14 23:14:29 you mean [{},{},{}]? Jul 14 23:15:11 im trying to avoid looping though a potentially large array to find an object Jul 14 23:15:30 why can't you use an object and use the keys as a property to hold the data? Jul 14 23:16:16 sugardave, that is what i want to do... this data is also rendered in a flyweight Jul 14 23:16:34 and when it wants to render a row it gives me a rowIndex as a integer Jul 14 23:16:36 so the flyweight row number needs to match the key Jul 14 23:16:50 sugardave, yes, but i have no control over that Jul 14 23:16:59 the key must be hash Jul 14 23:17:37 I think I am lost Jul 14 23:17:50 me too Jul 14 23:17:54 the data im using is coming from a server, so each data element has a unique id Jul 14 23:18:23 i want to use this unique id as the the key in an array Jul 14 23:19:06 but then the data in this data is displayed in a flyweight, which needs to access its data based on an integer index Jul 14 23:19:30 why can't you conver the hash to an array? Jul 14 23:19:32 so the only way i can think to do this is to maintain an external array of the keys in the order expected by the flyweight Jul 14 23:19:44 Tibfib, cause then its not really a hash Jul 14 23:19:54 why does it need to be a hash? Jul 14 23:19:55 and then anything i want to find something by hash i have to loop though an array Jul 14 23:20:00 ah. Jul 14 23:20:07 cause most of the time i will eb accessing it by hash Jul 14 23:20:17 only the stupid flyweight needs it to be an array Jul 14 23:20:31 PuffTheMagic: why can't you use _.keys(hash) for the flyweight Jul 14 23:20:35 and keep the hash for yourself Jul 14 23:21:21 is hash in that example the key, or the object? Jul 14 23:21:51 the hash is the same as it was before Jul 14 23:22:04 you just made an array from it for your flyweight Jul 14 23:22:30 that would assume i dont care about the order of the data in the flyweight.... Jul 14 23:22:37 but its ordered by date Jul 14 23:22:41 and then by string Jul 14 23:23:09 I don't think I have all the info. Jul 14 23:23:17 bbl Jul 14 23:23:20 later Jul 14 23:23:27 this.data[this.keys[inRow]] Jul 14 23:31:32 oh... you're talking about an enyo flyweight? Jul 14 23:36:42 ya Jul 14 23:37:10 on, nevermind then... I was thinking of it in a general datastructure sense Jul 14 23:37:21 PuffTheMagic: so you get a hash Jul 14 23:37:29 and you need a numeric indexed array Jul 14 23:38:05 that does suck a bit, but you mentioned something about sorting; you know you can sort the numeric index arrays, right? Jul 14 23:38:08 i need an ordered numeric index of the keys in an associative array Jul 14 23:38:15 right Jul 14 23:38:26 funkatron, right now all i have an array of objects Jul 14 23:38:33 sure Jul 14 23:38:35 to make the flyweight happy Jul 14 23:38:37 right Jul 14 23:38:40 but i want to move to an object Jul 14 23:38:42 that's how you'd have to do it Jul 14 23:38:48 which will piss off the flyweight Jul 14 23:38:49 I mean, for the flyweight component, right? Jul 14 23:39:05 I think the main thing you lose is speed of lookups Jul 14 23:39:16 because you can't ref by index Jul 14 23:39:43 if i have an external array of the keys, then i can direct access the key then direct access the object Jul 14 23:39:54 rrright, yes Jul 14 23:40:34 so is your concern the lookup speed, mainly? Jul 14 23:42:48 when the app starts its going to pull all of the old objects out of localstorage, its then gonna query a server the current list of ids, once it gets the list of ids, it needs to check to see if it already has the record for that id, if not it needs to fetch the id Jul 14 23:43:03 all those look ups would suck if i had an array of objects Jul 14 23:44:28 yeah Jul 14 23:44:44 now if you used underscore.js it woul at least be easier to *code* Jul 14 23:44:58 perf, I can't speak to. if the array isn't super huge it might not be bad Jul 14 23:47:26 i guess instead of storing things in a object i can keep them in an array Jul 14 23:47:39 and the makea object that holds the hash -> array index bindings Jul 14 23:49:18 then i would only have to loop though the array once after its sorted Jul 14 23:56:57 is there a function that is called when an app quits that i can use for cleanup code? Jul 14 23:57:23 http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/07/14/topolsky-hp - ha! Jul 15 00:03:50 @akanster ... yeah ... WTF HP? Jul 15 00:06:09 devs are supposed to stay w/mojo ... or not? Jul 15 00:06:18 (for phones) Jul 15 00:06:35 pre3 will use enyo, it just wont have the same widgets at the TP Jul 15 00:06:40 is what i think the message is Jul 15 00:06:47 i could be wrong Jul 15 00:06:57 so in that case a TP app would not directly work on pre3 Jul 15 00:07:05 but i think its all supposed to be enyo Jul 15 00:08:26 interesting interview Jul 15 00:08:30 PuffTheMagic: you can set up an ApplicationEvents event Jul 15 00:09:01 onUnload: "cleanup", Jul 15 00:09:03 That is a stunningly awful interview Jul 15 00:09:08 for HP. Jul 15 00:09:59 someone should tell them that enterprise speak doesn't impress nerds. Jul 15 00:09:59 @Puff - yes but we have a "date" (squishy as it is) for pre3, and Ruby just was mysterious about when enyo comes to the phones Jul 15 00:10:06 funkatron: agreed Jul 15 00:10:56 does anyone know what you magically cause all my logging from my app to not show up any more? Jul 15 00:11:11 this.warn/this.log/this.error dont show anything Jul 15 00:12:17 PuffTheMagic: On device? Jul 15 00:12:24 ya Jul 15 00:12:40 Could you have installed that logging patch at all? Maybe set the logging levels down? Jul 15 00:12:41 something happened int he last day and i've lost all logging from my app Jul 15 00:12:57 lol ha yes that was prob it Jul 15 00:13:03 i figured that would squash system logging Jul 15 00:13:29 funkatron: great interview, hey? can you decode it any better than I could? Jul 15 00:13:37 i hate using emu, gives unrealistic speeds Jul 15 00:15:10 rwhitby: I'm with you on that. So confusing. Jul 15 00:15:21 PuffTheMagic: BTW, no answer on my questions on twitter on whether Pre3 will have Enyo at release, so I wouldn't take that for granted. Jul 15 00:15:27 are any of those types of interviews and non-confusing Jul 15 00:16:14 rwhitby, ya im not really positive either, i was just always under the impression it would have enyo, just not a TP compatible enyo Jul 15 00:16:24 I asked some pretty clear questions of Chuq, Richard and Lisa on twitter. The length of time taken to get an answer should be a good indicator of how complex the solution will be for devs. Jul 15 00:17:05 rwhitby, I decoded this: they are valuing ass-covering more than clarity with users and devs. Jul 15 00:17:18 because this thing reads like one long ass-covering session Jul 15 00:18:17 with the CPU thing: you can tell HP is used to making PCs. in that market this would be a non-issue. You can also tell they don't understand the consumer electronics market. Jul 15 00:18:42 i want the one with the bigger Gee Bee's. :D Jul 15 00:18:58 gah! Forgot to package with --use-v1-format before uploading Jul 15 00:19:02 and maybe it won't matter to end users, but man, this plays out badly with the core group Jul 15 00:19:09 mine has the wifis Jul 15 00:19:40 "Kindle was one of the launch apps for the TouchPad." Uhh, not on my TouchPad. Jul 15 00:20:29 i had the wifis once. but my doctor gave me some lotion that cleared them right up. :D Jul 15 00:20:31 ya know, if this is just the media face, and behind the scenes they are getting shit actually sorted out so you don't have these kinds of embarrassments, fine. But I guess I'll believe it when I see the results. Jul 15 00:20:35 so now I get to bump the version for no particular reason Jul 15 00:21:12 funkatron: so what's the plan for spaz for Pre 3? Mojo or Enyo? Jul 15 00:21:12 haeffb: "re-added backwards compatibility" Jul 15 00:21:57 rwhitby: I would develop it in Enyo if HP has their act together. Jul 15 00:22:01 haeffb: If you haven't finalised the submit, you can cancel it and start again with the same filename. Jul 15 00:22:10 funkatron: but you don't know, right? Jul 15 00:22:15 oh, neat. thanks. Jul 15 00:22:19 apologies, but this interview is just embarrasingly bad, and really pisses me off. Jul 15 00:22:27 haeffb: I did that with PHD to make sure it stayed webOS 1.0.0 compat. Jul 15 00:22:54 rwhitby: I have heard some things but at this point I don't believe anything until it happens. Jul 15 00:23:05 funkatron: I Jul 15 00:23:17 funkatron: I have asked the question a number of times, with no answer. Jul 15 00:23:20 yep Jul 15 00:23:26 okay I need to do other stuff Jul 15 00:23:30 funkatron: which says to me that the answer is not the one that I want to hear. Jul 15 00:23:38 yeah I would agree with that. Jul 15 00:23:41 bbs! Jul 15 00:25:38 is there a localstorage limit for webos apps? Jul 15 00:59:24 why has the app update portal lost all my previous screenshots? Jul 15 01:03:52 woah Jul 15 01:03:57 i just made a call on my pixi Jul 15 01:04:05 and it showed up my TP Jul 15 01:04:09 wtf just happened Jul 15 01:09:22 who brought up pdf.js in here? Jul 15 01:24:04 zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jul 15 01:24:14 zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jul 15 01:24:28 zZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZ Jul 15 01:33:56 its lonestar hide... Jul 15 01:34:09 omg Jul 15 01:34:13 * fxspec06 hides Jul 15 01:40:17 quiet, please, I'm taking a nap! Jul 15 01:40:53 i think everyone here is Jul 15 01:40:54 lol Jul 15 01:43:17 I'm playing with fading objects :D Jul 15 01:43:26 * NuttyBunny makes magic with his app Jul 15 01:44:29 trying to fix a bug that can't be fixed Jul 15 01:44:45 anyone have a slider widget in there enyo app? Jul 15 01:45:40 I think twbbas has one Jul 15 01:45:49 twbbas: you there? Jul 15 01:46:27 i fixed a big that can't be fixed... by eliminating a huge feature at exactly the right time in the app for the lifespan of the app Jul 15 01:46:36 =D Jul 15 01:47:28 nice Jul 15 01:48:45 * fxspec06 is almost up to version 1.0.0 !!!!! Jul 15 01:49:11 fxspec06: nice Jul 15 01:49:25 always start my apps at 1.0.0 Jul 15 01:49:26 yeah. got leaderboards and chat in last two days. Jul 15 01:50:08 i've got to spend next week tidying everything up Jul 15 01:50:45 i must examine every pixel to make sure it's in the right place Jul 15 01:50:48 lol Jul 15 01:53:38 nice, need to fix some enyo stuff to resubmit my app Jul 15 02:01:32 ok, here's a weird one... when I try to show my help pane, I get the following error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'freePrinters' of undefined Jul 15 02:01:39 from printDialog.js Jul 15 02:02:01 1) what does printDialog.js have to do with my help pane? Jul 15 02:02:57 lol Jul 15 02:03:04 i hate those ones Jul 15 02:03:52 * haeffb starts my apps at 0.0.1 and releases 0.x.0 versions Jul 15 02:08:54 haeffb: sounds like you need "super-dave" Jul 15 02:09:35 why, yes, I do. Jul 15 02:22:09 let mom use computer, closes the browser instead of just that tab when shes done :/ Jul 15 02:22:26 did you learn your lesson then? Jul 15 02:22:42 chrome lets you reopen closed windows and all their tabs Jul 15 02:22:43 it was just funny Jul 15 02:23:12 in-laws don't understand tabs either Jul 15 02:25:13 * haeffb still needs somebody with printing from TP capabilities to test app.... ? Jul 15 02:25:42 * oil doesnt Jul 15 02:25:58 there is a printer here but its like 30 years old Jul 15 02:26:05 chuqui! give me a printer!!! Jul 15 02:26:11 haeffb: I can test that in 8 hours from now Jul 15 02:28:15 rwhitby: that would be great! http://smallpondapps.com/wp-content/uploads/ipk/ Jul 15 02:28:21 pondnotes 0.2.0 Jul 15 02:28:48 * haeffb can get the print dialog to show up, but no idea what happens after that... :) Jul 15 02:29:08 give me just a few minutes and I can check it out Jul 15 02:29:32 that also would be awesome Jul 15 02:30:30 haeffb: can I just get the one from the catalog? Jul 15 02:31:03 nope Jul 15 02:31:12 that ones a couple of weeks old Jul 15 02:32:21 oh crap, don't have preware, standby Jul 15 02:32:29 palm-install... ? Jul 15 02:32:44 I was trying to do it from my tablet...now I have to get a cable Jul 15 02:32:52 LoneStar99: You there? Jul 15 02:33:00 any clue why something in printDIalog.js would be called when I try to show a Help pane? Jul 15 02:34:04 magic? Jul 15 02:34:35 wierd Jul 15 02:35:02 twbbas: yes, but will be back later dinner time Jul 15 02:35:58 LoneStar99: Ok. Was just following up on when you said my name earlier. Tell me when you get back Jul 15 02:36:01 got the slider issue sorted out forgot to add a function for the "onChange: "sliderChange" Jul 15 02:36:18 only had one for the onChanging Jul 15 02:36:23 thanks though! Jul 15 02:36:58 haeffb: okay, I have hit the print button, there is a dialog asking me to select a printer or add one Jul 15 02:37:26 yes...do you have a printer? Jul 15 02:37:32 if I select my printer, it lets me choose how many copies and enables the print button Jul 15 02:37:38 yes, I have a printer :P Jul 15 02:37:38 and.... ? Jul 15 02:37:51 oh, I thought you wanted a play-by-play Jul 15 02:37:53 the suspense is killing me Jul 15 02:37:57 lol Jul 15 02:38:05 sounds like it is printing Jul 15 02:38:15 it has to warm up a second Jul 15 02:38:22 please, yes, describe which finger you used to tap the print button... :) Jul 15 02:38:23 printing has occurred Jul 15 02:38:25 * twbbas wants a webOS printer Jul 15 02:38:27 Woo! Jul 15 02:38:43 * twbbas wants a webOS 4G printer Jul 15 02:38:51 well, it's not great, though Jul 15 02:38:55 boo! Jul 15 02:39:06 I will scan it and email it to you Jul 15 02:39:10 woo! Jul 15 02:39:14 sugardave is so nice Jul 15 02:39:20 silly people with usable scanners Jul 15 02:39:24 * haeffb suspects sugardave has one of them HP all-in-one devices Jul 15 02:39:43 * rwhitby bought an ePrint capable photosmart premium the other day Jul 15 02:40:04 * haeffb bought a samsung laser printer six months ago. :( Jul 15 02:40:25 * twbbas has never bought a printer Jul 15 02:40:56 * halfhalo has a year old hp wireless and a 10 year old hp laser. Jul 15 02:41:02 but I do have like a 10-15 year old HP LaserJet Jul 15 02:41:10 unsupported for webOS Printing though :( Jul 15 02:42:20 hmm, this machine doesn't think it can scan, standby Jul 15 02:44:40 looks like i will have to disable printing anyhow. Jul 15 02:44:43 so there a localstorage size limit on webos? Jul 15 02:44:49 it's screwing up my help Pane Jul 15 02:45:15 PuffTheMagic: I believe so, but don't know what it is. Jul 15 02:45:54 hmm, somehow this machine lost its ability to scan and I cannot reboot it atm Jul 15 02:48:08 so... this.$.mainPane.selectViewByName("helpPane"); Jul 15 02:48:25 boom, printDialog.js error. Jul 15 02:51:47 * haeffb is flummoxed Jul 15 02:53:26 ok, the print dialog is a component of a component of the pane that is being hidden when I show the help pane Jul 15 02:55:39 haeffb: you've got mail Jul 15 02:55:51 twbbas: I'm about to start working on your example :D Jul 15 02:56:00 sugardave: Thanks so much! Jul 15 02:56:02 unless you figured it out already Jul 15 02:56:11 sugardave: Nope! Waiting on that example ;) Jul 15 02:56:15 haha Jul 15 02:57:22 hahaha... Yes, I will disable printing. :) Jul 15 02:57:48 good plan for now :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 15 02:59:57 2011