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Jul 18 03:03:21 <dkirker> halfhalo-hotel: The North Bay. It's only a 2 hour drive. I'm just not wanting to do it.
Jul 18 03:03:40 <halfhalo-hotel> lol
Jul 18 03:10:49 * DougReeder waves hello
Jul 18 03:10:55 <halfhalo> hola
Jul 18 03:11:37 <DougReeder> what's the tpoic of dicussion tonight?
Jul 18 03:12:25 <rwhitby> 1) the spelling of "topic"
Jul 18 03:12:28 <rwhitby> 2) any other business
Jul 18 03:12:54 <DougReeder> [grins] ouch
Jul 18 03:13:05 <rwhitby> DougReeder: ;)
Jul 18 03:13:41 <rwhitby> DougReeder: (the channel has been idle for hours)
Jul 18 03:14:04 <DougReeder> so, I can now run xtank by following your instructions?
Jul 18 03:16:14 <DougReeder> hmm, no mouse position, so I guess there's no point.
Jul 18 03:16:52 <rwhitby> mouse is where your finger is touching
Jul 18 03:17:21 <DougReeder> worth a try, I suppose
Jul 18 03:18:36 <DougReeder> are there any X apps that are actually useable on a touch screen device?
Jul 18 03:18:43 <rwhitby> can't find any xtank package in Ubuntu 11.04
Jul 18 03:20:37 <DougReeder> apparaently the old xtank is gone: http://kernigh.pbworks.com/w/page/9214137/Xtank
Jul 18 03:22:13 <DougReeder> oi! MatLab has an X version. That would be useful!
Jul 18 03:22:28 <rwhitby> Bet it's not an arm execuable.
Jul 18 03:24:44 <DougReeder> Well, run it on another machine and use a TouchPad as the X server.
Jul 18 03:27:58 <DougReeder> Does pth run on our linux kernel?
Jul 18 03:33:26 <DougReeder> oh, but using X across a network has signifigant issues, didn't it? Required a slew of open ports?
Jul 18 03:36:07 <bpadalino> you can tunnel an X session over ssh
Jul 18 03:36:19 <PatrickC> hey all
Jul 18 03:36:24 <PatrickC> hey DougReeder!
Jul 18 03:36:41 <DougReeder> hi, PatrickC
Jul 18 03:37:25 <dwc-> X itself only requires 1 tcp port. more if you want xfs, etc.
Jul 18 03:37:37 <CTLAdvance> Hi All!
Jul 18 03:38:27 <CTLAdvance> PatrickC did you get them to send you a device yet :)
Jul 18 03:38:28 <PatrickC> hey CTLAdvance
Jul 18 03:38:34 <PatrickC> nope :'(
Jul 18 03:38:34 <CTLAdvance> Hay Pat
Jul 18 03:39:02 <PatrickC> still haven't heard more then "15 days"
Jul 18 03:39:11 <CTLAdvance> oh
Jul 18 03:39:15 <CTLAdvance> dont worry
Jul 18 03:39:22 <CTLAdvance> I guess they arent sending loaners yet
Jul 18 03:39:37 <PatrickC> its been 11 days
Jul 18 03:39:56 <dwc-> something something coming months?
Jul 18 03:40:03 <CTLAdvance> the loaner program is still in testing I was told
Jul 18 03:40:03 <PatrickC> I heard the "15 days" on 7/6/11
Jul 18 03:40:08 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jul 18 03:40:17 <PatrickC> I applied for a coupon
Jul 18 03:41:22 <PatrickC> ah, 15 business days... its only been 8 business days
Jul 18 03:41:36 <PatrickC> total of 11 *actual* days
Jul 18 03:42:08 <CTLAdvance> I was offered the coupon but I decided on the loaner for now
Jul 18 03:42:28 <CTLAdvance> until I can get the 50% discount, or get one off amazon for around 300
Jul 18 03:42:44 <PatrickC> you were a brown/green?
Jul 18 03:43:01 <CTLAdvance> yeah I didnt attend any in person events/workouts
Jul 18 03:43:18 <PatrickC> so green?
Jul 18 03:43:27 <PatrickC> I'll probably be the same
Jul 18 03:43:43 <PatrickC> i've got everything but a workshop
Jul 18 03:44:00 <CTLAdvance> But for now I am doing other stuff with phonegap and android/ios so I figure if they want to wait, so can I
Jul 18 03:44:20 <PatrickC> I'll probably get a Mac before I get a touchpad
Jul 18 03:44:24 <CTLAdvance> the good thing is when I get one, I should be able to port stuff over fairly quickly
Jul 18 03:44:26 <PatrickC> if I'm not 50%
Jul 18 03:44:40 <DougReeder> Bummer, looks like X tends to be a network hog.
Jul 18 03:45:29 <CTLAdvance> I see the Acer Iconia tab is 399 now
Jul 18 03:45:35 <dwc-> it can be, depending on what you're trying to do
Jul 18 03:45:50 <DougReeder> I need to apply for my belt. Been busy tweaking my Mojo app to work better on the TP.
Jul 18 03:47:14 <PatrickC> I applied within 1 hr of the program releasing :)
Jul 18 03:47:35 <CTLAdvance> I got a response and I am on the list for the loaner
Jul 18 03:47:46 <CTLAdvance> so they are processing them
Jul 18 03:47:49 <PatrickC> id rather buy one
Jul 18 03:48:07 <CTLAdvance> oh and I also cant see paying 475 for a device without 3G in it
Jul 18 03:48:21 <DougReeder> My latest app update has not been approved after 2 1/2 business days. That seems slow, but maybe I'm spoiled.
Jul 18 03:48:30 <CTLAdvance> probably get one for $.01 on amazon with a new ATT commitment ;)
Jul 18 03:48:41 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 18 03:49:31 <DougReeder> I despise cell companies.  Vastly prefer a wi-fi tablet.
Jul 18 03:50:04 <PatrickC> I'll get a wifi tab
Jul 18 03:50:13 <PatrickC> that's what I have a pre w/ freeTether ;)
Jul 18 03:50:34 <DougReeder> [nods]
Jul 18 03:50:44 <CTLAdvance> Yeah... I say wifi is great until I am on the go
Jul 18 03:50:51 <CTLAdvance> then it a major pain to not have
Jul 18 03:50:58 <CTLAdvance> I am using the Samsung 10.1 now
Jul 18 03:51:31 <CTLAdvance> and it has wifi only but built in GPS, its a pain if you need to reroute and you dont have network to pull the maps :/
Jul 18 03:51:43 <DougReeder> I hear that's the best Android tablet yet.
Jul 18 03:51:59 <CTLAdvance> its pretty slick, except android fails to manage memory
Jul 18 03:52:07 <CTLAdvance> thus you need a good task manager
Jul 18 03:52:25 <CTLAdvance> i.e. webOS fixes that issue
Jul 18 03:53:13 <PatrickC> :)
Jul 18 03:53:26 <DougReeder> I'd heard the need for an Android task manager was overstated, but don't know enough to comment.
Jul 18 03:55:30 <CTLAdvance> android die hards claim it isnt, but when your using it, and stuff starts to slow down, it gets bad
Jul 18 03:55:48 <CTLAdvance> bring in a task manager, kill most of the crap and its usually pretty good
Jul 18 03:55:56 <CTLAdvance> until 3.1 starts to recover some of it
Jul 18 03:55:57 <CTLAdvance> ...
Jul 18 03:56:36 <Guest36229> I need help with installing the SDK
Jul 18 03:57:19 <Guest36229> I download and install (on Ubuntu), and it doesn't show up
Jul 18 03:58:29 <DougReeder> [waving goodnight] It's past my bedtime.  See y'all around!
Jul 18 03:59:05 <PatrickC> night Doug
Jul 18 03:59:11 <Guest36229> Who else is here?
Jul 18 03:59:32 <halfhalo> Guest36229: what do you mean doesnt show up
Jul 18 03:59:43 <Guest36229> It isn't in the menu
Jul 18 03:59:56 <Guest36229> It's listed in Ubuntu Software Center
Jul 18 04:00:43 <halfhalo> it doesnt have a menu item
Jul 18 04:00:53 <Guest36229> How do you run it?
Jul 18 04:01:03 <Guest36229> Excuse me for my noob-ness
Jul 18 04:01:21 <halfhalo> open terminal and run one of the palm-* commands
Jul 18 04:01:34 <Guest36229> How do I start the emulator?
Jul 18 04:01:43 <halfhalo> palm-emulator
Jul 18 04:02:13 <Guest36229> I'll try
Jul 18 04:02:39 <Guest36229> Thanx
Jul 18 04:02:47 <Guest36229> How do I add other devices?
Jul 18 04:03:26 <Guest36229> Other devices are listed in the download page, but how do I add them?
Jul 18 04:03:55 <halfhalo> what download page?
Jul 18 04:04:00 <Guest36229> For SDK
Jul 18 04:04:09 <Guest36229> Leave message, I need to go, be back
Jul 18 04:04:56 * halfhalo had no idea what other devices you are talking about
Jul 18 04:06:00 <PatrickC> halfhalo: in cali yet?
Jul 18 04:06:34 <halfhalo> I have always lived in cali
Jul 18 04:06:55 <PatrickC> really? oh..
Jul 18 04:07:03 <PatrickC> you in Palm land yet?
Jul 18 04:07:08 <halfhalo> yes
Jul 18 04:07:15 <PatrickC> hey dkirker
Jul 18 04:07:19 <dkirker> hi PatrickC
Jul 18 04:07:33 <halfhalo> 10 miles away OH GOD A WILD DKIRKER
Jul 18 04:07:51 <dkirker> halfhalo: haha. I decided that I am going to drive down in the morning.
Jul 18 04:08:06 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 18 04:08:10 <halfhalo> lazy
Jul 18 04:13:46 <Guest36229> I need bath
Jul 18 04:17:00 <CTLAdvance> So do we have any new events coming up?
Jul 18 04:17:09 <PatrickC> no lue
Jul 18 04:17:11 <PatrickC> clue*
Jul 18 04:17:25 <CTLAdvance> because I guess I need to attend one :)
Jul 18 04:17:28 <halfhalo> yes
Jul 18 04:17:31 <halfhalo> two
Jul 18 04:17:37 <halfhalo> dunno when tho
Jul 18 04:17:40 <PatrickC> in TN?
Jul 18 04:18:02 <Guest36229> I'm back
Jul 18 04:18:21 <Guest36229> When you go to the developer website, you can download the SDK
Jul 18 04:18:27 <PatrickC> anyone but CTLAdvance heard back about belts?
Jul 18 04:18:31 <halfhalo> lol TN.
Jul 18 04:18:38 <Guest36229> On the bottom of the page, it lists device things
Jul 18 04:18:46 <Guest36229> How do I add them to emulator?
Jul 18 04:19:05 <CTLAdvance> Need to host one somewhere here in NY... maybe albany :)
Jul 18 04:19:05 <PatrickC> that's the only place I could go.. possibly northern GA, southern KY, or eastern Alabama
Jul 18 04:19:23 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 18 04:19:44 <CTLAdvance> or have they said anything about a webinar
Jul 18 04:20:04 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: NuttyBunny started a topic on that
Jul 18 04:20:07 <PatrickC> lemme get the link
Jul 18 04:20:45 <CTLAdvance> yeah I saw that a while afo
Jul 18 04:20:46 <CTLAdvance> ago
Jul 18 04:21:27 <PatrickC> ah ok
Jul 18 04:21:37 <PatrickC> well, all they said is they are working on it..
Jul 18 04:21:52 <Guest36229> Hello?
Jul 18 04:21:53 <CTLAdvance> I feel they should have given out 10k demo devices prior to the launch of the touchpad... and in 30 days if you could make 1 - 3 quality apps you could keep it, otherwise return it or buy it
Jul 18 04:22:04 <Guest36229> Do I exist?
Jul 18 04:22:14 <PatrickC> Guest36229: be patient
Jul 18 04:22:15 <CTLAdvance> depends what parallel universe
Jul 18 04:22:20 <PatrickC> lemme look at what you said
Jul 18 04:22:22 <Guest36229> farts
Jul 18 04:22:42 <PatrickC> Guest36229: is the SDK installed?
Jul 18 04:22:53 <Guest36229> Yes (question from before)
Jul 18 04:23:03 <PatrickC> you installed the .deb and Virtual Box?
Jul 18 04:23:07 <PatrickC> *both*
Jul 18 04:23:10 <Guest36229> Of course
Jul 18 04:23:37 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 18 04:23:42 <PatrickC> type palm-emulator
Jul 18 04:23:46 <PatrickC> and what happens?
Jul 18 04:23:46 <Guest36229> yep
Jul 18 04:24:00 <Guest36229> I am asked what emulator to run
Jul 18 04:24:04 <Guest36229> Only TouchPad
Jul 18 04:24:09 <Guest36229> available
Jul 18 04:24:12 <PatrickC> that's all that's there
Jul 18 04:24:17 <Guest36229> Nope
Jul 18 04:24:29 <PatrickC> I hear Early Access Members can get the older VMs
Jul 18 04:24:41 <Guest36229> Check the webpage to download the SDK!
Jul 18 04:24:45 <PatrickC> the 3.0 sdk only has the touchpad emu.. iirc
Jul 18 04:24:49 <PatrickC> halfhalo: correct?
Jul 18 04:25:04 <Guest36229> Nope
Jul 18 04:25:11 <sugardave> yes
Jul 18 04:25:17 <halfhalo> 3.0 is touchpad only
Jul 18 04:25:20 <PatrickC> hey sugardave
Jul 18 04:25:22 <sugardave> 3.0 SDK only has touchpad resolution emus
Jul 18 04:25:27 <halfhalo> 2.x is phone
Jul 18 04:25:33 <sugardave> you can change the display size if you want
Jul 18 04:25:42 <PatrickC> and no longer available? re: phone
Jul 18 04:25:46 <rwhitby> 2.x SDK has no enyo, 3.0 SDK has no phone resolutions.
Jul 18 04:25:56 <Guest36229> go to developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html
Jul 18 04:25:57 <rwhitby> what is needed is something in the middle ...
Jul 18 04:26:03 <Guest36229> Go to bottom
Jul 18 04:26:17 <halfhalo> rwhitby: agreed.
Jul 18 04:26:24 <Guest36229> Hello?
Jul 18 04:26:46 <sugardave> right, you can get older vms
Jul 18 04:26:46 <PatrickC> dude... be patient..
Jul 18 04:27:00 <Guest36229> How install VMS?
Jul 18 04:27:29 <sugardave> you can do something like palm-emulator -i [path to that vmdk.zip file]
Jul 18 04:27:38 <sugardave> check the flags on palm-emulator
Jul 18 04:27:42 <Guest36229> okay
Jul 18 04:27:52 <Guest36229> How do I test a packaged app?
Jul 18 04:28:00 <Guest36229> Already .ipk
Jul 18 04:28:08 <sugardave> palm-install the.ipk
Jul 18 04:28:17 <CTLAdvance> looks like they have 2 workshops in sunnyvale so far
Jul 18 04:28:25 <Guest36229> then run emulator and find app?
Jul 18 04:28:27 <rwhitby> Guest36229: have you done the SDK tutorial?
Jul 18 04:28:33 <Guest36229> There is one?
Jul 18 04:28:39 <PatrickC> yes
Jul 18 04:28:44 <Guest36229> Where is it?
Jul 18 04:28:51 <PatrickC> on the developer site
Jul 18 04:28:52 <rwhitby> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/building_your_first_app.html
Jul 18 04:29:01 <Guest36229> thanx
Jul 18 04:29:04 <PatrickC> thx rod.. was getting that link
Jul 18 04:29:16 <Guest36229> I go to try it out
Jul 18 04:31:09 <PatrickC> anyone heard back with a coupon?
Jul 18 04:31:21 <CTLAdvance> yes patrick I already told you
Jul 18 04:31:26 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Jul 18 04:31:57 <PatrickC> I was asking other then you :)
Jul 18 04:32:02 * halfhalo has super awesome coupon
Jul 18 04:32:30 <CTLAdvance> You have probably been to a work out :)
Jul 18 04:58:04 <PatrickC> does the veer have a mirror on the back
Jul 18 04:58:09 <PatrickC> another webos sighting
Jul 18 04:58:48 <PatrickC> its either a veer or a pre2
Jul 18 04:59:32 <PatrickC> Covert Affairs: 7/12/11
Jul 18 04:59:51 <PatrickC> approx 37 min into
Jul 18 06:11:56 <Tommy> http://pocketnow.com/webos/editorial-webos-will-die-unless-they-make-this-change =(
Jul 18 06:12:00 <Tommy> it's on the internet so it must be true
Jul 18 06:14:09 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 18 06:14:24 <PatrickC> just cause its on the 'net, its 100% true
Jul 18 06:18:08 <Tommy> PatrickC: obviously
Jul 18 06:18:21 <Tommy> PatrickC: i think we can agree that it would be a good decision to license it, though
Jul 18 06:18:29 <Tommy> HP isn't fond of that idea because they're a hardware manufacturer
Jul 18 06:18:35 <PatrickC> it would be a good idea, yes
Jul 18 06:18:39 <rwhitby> yeah, cause that worked so well for PalmOS
Jul 18 06:22:40 <PatrickC> AT&T and T-Mo finalized?
Jul 18 06:25:02 <SineOt> T-mo? For what? :I
Jul 18 06:25:13 <PatrickC> buying
Jul 18 06:25:35 <PatrickC> just saw a AT&T/T-Mobile comercial
Jul 18 06:32:21 <zomg> Funny thing that webos will die unless... article
Jul 18 06:32:48 <zomg> According to their logic the iPhone should have flopped I think...
Jul 18 06:32:49 <zomg> :D
Jul 18 06:33:33 <zomg> Personally I always assumed it was just Palm's limited resources which were in the way of webOS being more widely adopted... Hopefully HP is going to fix that
Jul 18 06:34:59 <zomg> Not that I'm an expert, but I think HP is already strong on the markets where webOS devices might do well
Jul 18 06:35:36 <zomg> The more "power user" sort of one. Lots of enterprises use HP computers and equipment, so company-phones and such could be something they could start marketing in
Jul 18 06:59:22 <hotdp> Good morning
Jul 18 07:01:54 <PatrickC> hey
Jul 18 07:57:30 <Tommy> hey all
Jul 18 08:12:45 <hotdp> hi Tommy
Jul 18 08:13:00 <Tommy> sup dp
Jul 18 08:25:01 <Tommy> hotdp: sup
Jul 18 08:25:58 <zomg> Hot... DP...
Jul 18 08:26:01 <zomg> *cough*
Jul 18 08:26:13 <hotdp> zom g
Jul 18 08:26:15 <hotdp> *cough*
Jul 18 08:27:21 <zomg> You do know what DP means right? =)
Jul 18 08:27:42 <zomg> (Besides possibly being your initials)
Jul 18 08:27:43 <hotdp> Yes its letters from my real name
Jul 18 08:28:03 <zomg> Let's just say that a DP involves a woman and usually two men
Jul 18 08:28:11 <hotdp> If you like a can find nastys words for your name aswell
Jul 18 08:28:31 <hotdp> In my case its Deep Penetration
Jul 18 08:28:31 <zomg> Yeah I'm just messing with you :)
Jul 18 08:28:47 <hotdp> because i am huge betweeen the legs
Jul 18 08:28:53 <hotdp> if you really wonna know..
Jul 18 08:28:57 <zomg> Heh
Jul 18 08:29:08 <zomg> Maybe a discussion for another time
Jul 18 08:29:09 <zomg> =)
Jul 18 08:29:21 <rwhitby> and another channel
Jul 18 08:30:58 <zomg> rwhitby: you wouldn't happen to have an email address for that Lisa Brewster person?
Jul 18 08:31:39 <zomg> Unsurprisingly palm support wasn't very helpful with regards to my issue of being in a country where no webOS devices are available
Jul 18 08:31:56 <hotdp> what country?
Jul 18 08:32:00 <zomg> Finland
Jul 18 08:32:13 <Tommy> oh that sucks, you mean your country has like, 2 less phones than the rest of the world?
Jul 18 08:32:25 <zomg> Need my access country changed to UK or something, 'cause almost none of the apps are available
Jul 18 08:32:39 <hotdp> lol
Jul 18 08:32:59 <Tommy> zomg: there's gotta be a hack for that, i know there's something for android called "market enabler" to do the same thing
Jul 18 08:33:10 <Tommy> look around some forums and see if you can find an app for that
Jul 18 08:33:37 <zomg> According to what I have been told the issue is that the country is stored on Palm's servers
Jul 18 08:33:55 <zomg> and if you just can get in touch with the correct person, they may be able to fix it
Jul 18 08:34:01 <Tommy> but itd have to be able to be faked/changed, because you can move
Jul 18 08:34:16 <Tommy> so you can change something on the phone that says "oh kidding, i'm actually here now"
Jul 18 08:34:16 <rwhitby> Tommy: nope
Jul 18 08:34:21 <rwhitby> Tommy: nope
Jul 18 08:34:23 <Tommy> rwhitby: that's so dumb
Jul 18 08:34:28 <rwhitby> Tommy: yep
Jul 18 08:34:39 <Tommy> when i went to kenya, i couldn't get the Google+ app because i was there, i didnt change shit on google's servers
Jul 18 08:34:41 <Tommy> just popped in a kenyan sim
Jul 18 08:34:41 <zomg> Yeah it's pretty silly, I have no idea why they'd implement it like that
Jul 18 08:34:51 <Tommy> now in australia, i can get google+
Jul 18 08:35:02 <zomg> I can't even get some free apps
Jul 18 08:35:06 <zomg> For example Spotify
Jul 18 08:35:11 <Tommy> yeah google+ is free
Jul 18 08:35:14 <zomg> Which is available in Finland for what, every platform except webOS?
Jul 18 08:35:16 <Tommy> spotify is VERY country specific
Jul 18 08:35:25 <Tommy> it just recently came to the US in beta form
Jul 18 08:35:37 <rwhitby> spotify is actually a good example of why this stuff is like it is
Jul 18 08:35:43 <zomg> It has been available in europe for a bit more than that, Finland being one of the countries where it works :)
Jul 18 08:36:01 <rwhitby> content providers force companies to geo-restrict apps
Jul 18 08:36:24 <rwhitby> and Palm implemented a dumb way to meet that requirement
Jul 18 08:36:26 <zomg> I managed to install Spotify via Impostah though (thanks to PatrickC I think for mentioning it)
Jul 18 08:36:56 * rwhitby is the developer of Impostah
Jul 18 08:37:02 <zomg> Well thanks to you sir :D
Jul 18 08:37:14 <Tommy> bleh i cant sign up for spotify
Jul 18 08:37:19 <Tommy> not in australia
Jul 18 08:37:41 <Tommy> rwhitby: true, you should change it
Jul 18 08:37:41 <zomg> Yeah they're pretty limited
Jul 18 08:37:46 <zomg> Apparently works if you use a proxy though
Jul 18 08:37:55 <rwhitby> Tommy: I should change what?
Jul 18 08:38:07 <Tommy> the way they meet the requirement of geospecific apps
Jul 18 08:38:18 <Tommy> just hax it
Jul 18 08:38:45 <rwhitby> Tommy: how would you suggest I do that? my magic wand which controls the data on Palm's servers and is not exposed to the client seems to be broken this week
Jul 18 08:38:58 <hotdp> hahahahaha
Jul 18 08:38:59 <Tommy> i said hack it.
Jul 18 08:39:10 <Tommy> why couldn't you fake the location from the device
Jul 18 08:39:20 <rwhitby> Yes, I know what you said.  And I know you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Jul 18 08:39:22 <Tommy> it never checks back after the first time it loads your location?
Jul 18 08:39:28 <zomg> Tommy: it doesn't work like that
Jul 18 08:39:30 * hotdp saw rwhitby magic hans do a franken pre in nyc
Jul 18 08:39:30 <Tommy> if you switch devices, if you switch SIMs, it never rechecks?
Jul 18 08:39:50 <Tommy> hotdp: lol, nobody in NYC has webOS phones which is funny
Jul 18 08:40:02 <hotdp> omg
Jul 18 08:40:07 <zomg> If I had known how the country check works
Jul 18 08:40:14 <rwhitby> Tommy: you are assuming a quite naive implementation
Jul 18 08:40:15 <zomg> I would've told my friend in UK who sent me the phone to unlock it with his sim
Jul 18 08:40:22 <zomg> Then it would've worked fine :/
Jul 18 08:40:26 <Tommy> rwhitby: an implementation can be naive?
Jul 18 08:40:36 <Tommy> zomg: oh so it uses the initial sim card?
Jul 18 08:40:53 <rwhitby> Tommy: indeed an implementation can
Jul 18 08:40:53 <zomg> Tommy: yeah, apparently it reads the initial SIM, and the data is then stored on Palm's end
Jul 18 08:41:05 <Tommy> zomg: stored for the phone or the account
Jul 18 08:41:12 <zomg> I guess it's associated with the device's serial or something
Jul 18 08:41:13 <Tommy> i.e. if you switch phones, is it a fresh start
Jul 18 08:41:28 <Tommy> so if you sold that phone to me and i went to new york it'd think i was in finland?
Jul 18 08:41:42 <zomg> Yeah
Jul 18 08:41:43 <rwhitby> no, it would know that it was first activated in finland
Jul 18 08:41:50 <Tommy> okay
Jul 18 08:41:52 <rwhitby> it doesn't care where you are now
Jul 18 08:41:54 <zomg> Well, it would not let you buy anything I guess
Jul 18 08:42:01 <zomg> GPS would say you're in NYC though
Jul 18 08:42:07 <Tommy> well obviously
Jul 18 08:42:21 <Tommy> by "it" i meant the app store location information
Jul 18 08:42:29 <Tommy> i don't give a fuck what google maps can tell me, that's not the topic of discussion
Jul 18 08:42:46 <rwhitby> charming
Jul 18 08:43:35 * Tommy ?
Jul 18 08:43:58 <Tommy> so yeah it's pretty much an app store made by 6 year olds
Jul 18 08:44:23 <hotdp> Tommy: may i ask how old you are?
Jul 18 08:44:32 <Tommy> older than 6, younger than 30
Jul 18 08:45:22 <Jesse_> 30-6 = 24
Jul 18 08:45:30 <stbuehler> 7?
Jul 18 08:45:30 <Tommy> Jesse_: very close
Jul 18 08:45:39 <Tommy> 23
Jul 18 08:46:02 <Jesse_> older than 24
Jul 18 08:46:33 <Tommy> i just told you
Jul 18 08:50:46 <Jesse_> well , I see , little younger than me.
Jul 18 08:54:17 <stbuehler> wtf. is it normal to not get an email for successful app review?
Jul 18 08:55:13 <rwhitby> stbuehler: seems to be the case, yes.
Jul 18 08:58:10 <stbuehler> and didn't get a response why i shouldn't link aganst libGLESv2.so too (looks like lib name changed to libGLESv2_CM.so)
Jul 18 08:58:13 <stbuehler> well
Jul 18 09:34:14 <stbuehler> oO
Jul 18 09:37:26 <stbuehler> my app uses RSA for communication with blizzards server and sha1-hmac - i guess that counts as "uses data encryption" (wouldn't each use of https count too?..)
Jul 18 09:44:57 <Tommy> stbuehler: wow app?
Jul 18 09:50:55 <stbuehler> Tommy: authenticator. and it looks like open source isn't regulated: "The EAR do not cover technology that is already publicly available, as well as technology that is made public by the transaction in question"
Jul 18 10:16:13 <juanid> hi
Jul 18 10:18:57 <juanid> any idea how to create an adhoc network in enyo
Jul 18 14:15:15 <naughty_david> hey
Jul 18 14:27:36 * halfhalo is bored agsin
Jul 18 14:28:34 <hotdp> fix my sencha problems then?
Jul 18 14:30:23 <halfhalo> bah.  no computer atm
Jul 18 14:31:21 <PatrickC> hey all
Jul 18 14:31:26 <hotdp> hi PatrickC
Jul 18 14:31:33 <dwc-> go to the office
Jul 18 14:31:37 <dwc-> start the coffee
Jul 18 14:32:23 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 18 14:35:19 <PatrickC> does the veer have a mirrored back?
Jul 18 14:36:23 <halfhalo> boo coffee
Jul 18 14:36:34 <halfhalo> woo hotel reimbursment!
Jul 18 14:37:23 <PatrickC> halfhalo: you watch covert affairs?
Jul 18 14:37:34 <halfhalo> mebe
Jul 18 14:37:50 <PatrickC> did you see the webos sighting on it last week
Jul 18 14:37:59 <PatrickC> about 37 min into it there was a pre2/veer
Jul 18 14:38:06 <halfhalo> mebe
Jul 18 14:42:49 <halfhalo> 2 hours...
Jul 18 14:42:56 <PatrickC> till you start?
Jul 18 14:43:57 <halfhalo> yup
Jul 18 14:44:14 <PatrickC> awesome!
Jul 18 14:45:33 <halfhalo> ffffffff waiting
Jul 18 14:46:05 <PatrickC> when do you get your pre3?
Jul 18 14:46:35 <halfhalo-bored> dont think I do.  I want one though.  badly
Jul 18 14:47:29 <PatrickC> that would be cool if you did
Jul 18 14:47:38 * halfhalo-bored wants many things
Jul 18 14:47:56 <PatrickC> man... 9 business days... they have 6 more to get in touch..
Jul 18 14:48:10 <halfhalo-bored> lol
Jul 18 14:48:23 <PatrickC> I want a touchpad..... baaaaaadddddd
Jul 18 14:48:28 <halfhalo-bored> they be slammed
Jul 18 14:48:33 <PatrickC> halfhalo-bored: get me one at 90%
Jul 18 14:48:33 <hotdp> for the dev discount?=
Jul 18 14:48:34 <PatrickC> off
Jul 18 14:48:38 <PatrickC> hotdp: yep
Jul 18 14:48:46 <halfhalo-bored> lolno
Jul 18 14:48:46 <PatrickC> halfhalo-bored: poke people for me :)
Jul 18 14:48:48 <hotdp> Have any heard from them?
Jul 18 14:48:59 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance did
Jul 18 14:50:14 <PatrickC> DontAskAdora: can we ask you stuff yet???
Jul 18 14:51:04 * halfhalo-bored poked enough people already
Jul 18 14:51:16 <hotdp> :(
Jul 18 14:53:11 * halfhalo-bored cheated at the waiting game and constantly poked people
Jul 18 14:53:29 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 18 14:55:24 * halfhalo-bored blajes DontAskAdora for his boredomness 
Jul 18 14:55:36 <halfhalo-bored> blames*
Jul 18 14:57:33 <halfhalo-bored> and dkirker. and chuqui.  and every other palm person :p
Jul 18 14:59:14 <PatrickC> sugardave!
Jul 18 15:01:37 <halfhalo-bored> oh, forgot about him! that bastard!
Jul 18 15:02:06 <hotdp> :S
Jul 18 15:03:17 * halfhalo-bored doesnt get to make fun of sugardave in person sadly
Jul 18 15:03:39 <PatrickC> why not?
Jul 18 15:04:00 <halfhalo-bored> he is in texas.  that crazy person
Jul 18 15:04:41 <PatrickC> at the HP place in Texas?
Jul 18 15:04:48 <PatrickC> or work-from-home?
Jul 18 15:04:53 <halfhalo-bored> no idea where in texas
Jul 18 15:05:11 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 18 15:05:12 <halfhalo-bored> sugardave! you work from home?
Jul 18 15:05:22 <PatrickC> you enjoyin sunnyvale?
Jul 18 15:12:12 <zomg> "“Developer’s Remittance” means the amount of monies Developer is due for sales of its Application(s)"
Jul 18 15:12:16 <zomg> amount of... monies?
Jul 18 15:12:35 <zomg> Monies is actually a real word? I always thought it was just some bastardization of money.. :D
Jul 18 15:12:52 <zomg> (that was a snippet from the webOS app distribution program agreement(
Jul 18 15:13:07 <halfhalo-bored> sunnyvale is to Damn cold
Jul 18 15:16:40 <halfhalo-bored> lul monies
Jul 18 15:28:24 <halfhalo-bored> grr
Jul 18 15:37:48 <fxspec06_pre2> pat do you know wat poker is lol
Jul 18 15:38:23 <zomg> Oh how fun
Jul 18 15:38:31 <zomg> I need to snail mail some shit to IRS to apply to webos dev program?
Jul 18 15:38:40 <zomg> I don't even live in the US...
Jul 18 15:39:08 <fxspec06_pre2> lol rly? i ddnt have 2
Jul 18 15:39:26 <zomg> If you didn't your app prob isn't available in the US then
Jul 18 15:39:31 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: you live in the us? don't you?
Jul 18 15:39:40 <zomg> Or that
Jul 18 15:40:02 <zomg> Man I don't think I've ever even sent anything with snail mail..
Jul 18 15:40:23 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: yeah, i've played around with friends for fun
Jul 18 15:40:24 <zomg> Why do they even care whether I file my taxes in Finland or not, it's not like it's going to affect them somehow :D
Jul 18 15:40:31 <PatrickC> but never really read the rules
Jul 18 15:40:33 <zomg> and why can't I just use email :X
Jul 18 15:40:41 <fxspec06_pre2> yeah i do live in the us
Jul 18 15:40:47 <halfhalo-bored> texas holdem ftw
Jul 18 15:41:04 <PatrickC> Wild'n Video Poker ftw
Jul 18 15:41:55 <halfhalo-bored> nonono, see you need to play with real cards.  and real chicks.  thats the important part
Jul 18 15:42:03 <fxspec06_pre2> yaaaaaaaaa FTW!!!!!
Jul 18 15:42:31 <PatrickC> halfhalo-bored: not sure I'm allowed :P
Jul 18 15:42:37 <halfhalo-bored> ...
Jul 18 15:42:51 <halfhalo-bored> allowed... psh
Jul 18 15:44:15 <halfhalo-bored> rules were meant to be broken.  just like speed limits
Jul 18 15:45:10 <halfhalo-bored> speaking of driving... I miss socal drivers.  they cant drive for crap, but at least they go fast
Jul 18 15:45:14 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 18 15:45:22 <hotdp> haha
Jul 18 15:45:25 <zomg> I have no fucking idea what I'm supposed to do with these IRS PDF's :x
Jul 18 15:45:56 <PatrickC> print/fill out/snail mail?
Jul 18 15:46:12 <halfhalo-bored> also, hybrids suck.  alot
Jul 18 15:46:22 <PatrickC> apps or cars?
Jul 18 15:46:24 <zomg> PatrickC: it's not entirely obvious what I need to put in it though...
Jul 18 15:46:28 <halfhalo-bored> cars
Jul 18 15:46:41 <PatrickC> I thought you had a Toyota 4-Runner ?
Jul 18 15:47:09 <halfhalo-bored> highlander.  v6 gas guzzling beast
Jul 18 15:47:15 <zomg> And am I supposed to attach some sort of proof of being me with this? What exactly do I need to attach for that?
Jul 18 15:47:32 <halfhalo-bored> but this is silicon valley. every other car is a hybrid
Jul 18 15:47:36 <zomg> halfhalo-bored: at least gasoline is cheaper in the states than here =)
Jul 18 15:48:10 * halfhalo-bored spends 60 per tank
Jul 18 15:48:17 <zomg> I went from a Civic to a Merc CLK and I already see the hole in my wallet caused by the fact it consumes a lot more fuel :D
Jul 18 15:48:58 <halfhalo-bored> I want either a 335i conv or a 2011 gt500 conv.
Jul 18 15:49:17 <zomg> was looking at 335i myself as well, but it's a bit too expensive
Jul 18 15:49:34 <halfhalo-bored> yeah, I would have to go used.
Jul 18 15:49:48 <PatrickC> zomg: halfhalo-bored will tell you what you need :)
Jul 18 15:49:49 * PatrickC ducks
Jul 18 15:50:01 <halfhalo-bored> or a 2001 volvo 850 t5 awd
Jul 18 15:50:08 <dcousineau> mmm 335
Jul 18 15:50:19 <dcousineau> picked up an 06 325i 3-4 months ago for cheapish
Jul 18 15:50:33 * halfhalo-bored knows
Jul 18 15:50:53 <zomg> It sorta sucks that cars cost twice as much here as they do pretty much anywhere else
Jul 18 15:51:01 <zomg> We have such silly taxes for cars
Jul 18 15:51:22 <zomg> Go to germany and you can buy a CLK like mine for less than half what I paid
Jul 18 15:51:33 <halfhalo-bored> lol
Jul 18 15:51:41 <halfhalo-bored> not a merc fan
Jul 18 15:52:21 <zomg> It's nice. Not as gaudy as a BMW :D
Jul 18 15:53:15 * PatrickC will take a '71 Trans Am
Jul 18 15:53:20 <halfhalo-bored> bah
Jul 18 15:53:21 <PatrickC> a real car
Jul 18 15:53:36 <zomg> Yeah muscle cars are kinda nice too
Jul 18 15:53:36 <PatrickC> or a 2011 GT500
Jul 18 15:53:41 <halfhalo-bored> to much a techy to have such an old car
Jul 18 15:53:56 <zomg> But the older ones prob need you to be a bit of a mechanic
Jul 18 15:54:01 * PatrickC loves *clasic* American Muscle Cars
Jul 18 15:54:05 <zomg> And I'm none
Jul 18 15:54:09 <PatrickC> classic*
Jul 18 15:54:14 <PatrickC> I am
Jul 18 15:54:24 <PatrickC> I love working on engines
Jul 18 15:54:36 <zomg> I can check the oil levels
Jul 18 15:54:37 <zomg> :D
Jul 18 15:54:41 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 18 15:54:49 <zomg> Well actually I can do that with a button press in my CLK
Jul 18 15:54:50 <zomg> :P
Jul 18 15:54:53 <PatrickC> I like rebuilding cars, doing metal work, etc.
Jul 18 15:54:59 <halfhalo-bored> I push cars.  hard.
Jul 18 15:55:12 <PatrickC> halfhalo-bored: you go 40 in reverse... lol
Jul 18 15:55:19 <fxspec06_pre2> i can adjust the speed of the internal air flow on the fly
Jul 18 15:55:21 <halfhalo-bored> sometimes
Jul 18 15:55:31 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: what car?
Jul 18 15:55:43 <fxspec06_pre2> all of them
Jul 18 15:55:59 <halfhalo-bored> lol
Jul 18 15:56:04 <halfhalo-bored> yay ac!
Jul 18 15:56:09 <fxspec06_pre2> lol
Jul 18 15:56:20 <halfhalo-bored> also, I want heated seats
Jul 18 15:57:10 <fxspec06_pre2> i want vibrating seats
Jul 18 15:57:31 <fxspec06_pre2> ones that really mess you up
Jul 18 15:57:36 <PatrickC> I want a car.. period
Jul 18 15:58:00 <PatrickC> maybe a V8-V10
Jul 18 15:58:30 <funkatron> just something simple.
Jul 18 15:58:36 <fxspec06_pre2> so if i get an email from patrickc asking why two 4's isn't jacks or better, my car will shake me until i respond to it
Jul 18 15:58:51 <halfhalo-bored> lol
Jul 18 15:58:54 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 18 16:00:07 * haeffb-pre used to drive a '76 Trans Am
Jul 18 16:00:59 <PatrickC> haeffb-pre: nice
Jul 18 16:01:22 * halfhalo-bored drives an uninspired 03 v6 highlander.  its just meh.
Jul 18 16:02:35 * PatrickC had an '08 Focus, loaded..
Jul 18 16:02:37 <haeffb-pre> now drive an '01 Dodge Dakota quad-cab 4WD
Jul 18 16:02:51 <PatrickC> but my parents sold it before I was old enough to drive
Jul 18 16:02:59 <PatrickC> haeffb-pre: nice
Jul 18 16:03:02 <PatrickC> I love trucks
Jul 18 16:03:20 <zomg> I sorta want one of those huge SUV's or maybe a Dodge Ram 1500... Just because. =)
Jul 18 16:03:54 <zomg> I have absolutely no reason to own a large car but it might be fun
Jul 18 16:04:51 <halfhalo-bored> I stick a dog in the back of my car
Jul 18 16:04:57 <PatrickC> I want a Ford F-450 Super Duty King Cab w/ Cummins Turbo
Jul 18 16:05:24 <halfhalo-bored> well, I used to.  now he just jumps over everything and sits in the passenger seat
Jul 18 16:05:43 <halfhalo-bored> and tries to knock the car into neutral
Jul 18 16:05:43 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 18 16:06:04 <zomg> You'd prob need a truck driver's license for one of those large pickups
Jul 18 16:06:11 <PatrickC> nope
Jul 18 16:06:16 <zomg> Here you would
Jul 18 16:06:20 <funkatron> can a Ford Focus be "loaded?"
Jul 18 16:06:21 <PatrickC> if its under 24,000 lbs you don't iirc
Jul 18 16:06:22 <zomg> There's some sort of a weight limit here
Jul 18 16:06:44 <PatrickC> funkatron: yeah.. sync, spoiler, tint, etc.
Jul 18 16:06:48 * fxspec06_pre2 wants a supercharged tricycle
Jul 18 16:06:50 <PatrickC> my version of loaded
Jul 18 16:06:51 <zomg> which is way less than 24 000 lbs I'm relatively sure
Jul 18 16:06:52 <funkatron> mmmm. "loaded."
Jul 18 16:07:06 * fxspec06_pre2 or a cement truck
Jul 18 16:07:10 <zomg> Geez... why doesn't IRS have a damn email address
Jul 18 16:07:19 <PatrickC> zomg: there's also an axle limit I believe
Jul 18 16:07:27 <zomg> I don't want to pay gigantic amounts of money to phone them in the UK or the US for my stupid questions
Jul 18 16:07:46 <PatrickC> Straight!
Jul 18 16:07:47 <zomg> Oh wait, I wonder if I could call them via Google Voice
Jul 18 16:07:55 <fxspec06_pre2> lol nice job
Jul 18 16:08:06 <fxspec06_pre2> k i gotta go catch warlord.
Jul 18 16:08:12 <PatrickC> cya
Jul 18 16:08:13 <fxspec06_pre2> he's sleeping
Jul 18 16:08:20 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 18 16:08:21 <fxspec06_pre2> so i can make a comeback
Jul 18 16:08:38 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jul 18 16:08:45 <PatrickC> I'm like... near last :P
Jul 18 16:09:12 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: leaderboards are showing blank to me
Jul 18 16:09:16 <PatrickC> FIX IT! :P
Jul 18 16:09:22 <PatrickC> oop.. fixed
Jul 18 16:09:37 <PatrickC> he twbbas
Jul 18 16:09:40 <twbbas> Heya
Jul 18 16:10:02 <halfhalo-bored> lol
Jul 18 16:10:23 <PatrickC> halfhalo-bored: you would like this game
Jul 18 16:10:39 <haeffb-pre> my TP just sitting there rebooting itself.
Jul 18 16:11:15 <PatrickC> my touchpad never reboots
Jul 18 16:11:15 <haeffb-pre> doesn't like the wifi in the office
Jul 18 16:11:18 <halfhalo-bored> lies
Jul 18 16:11:35 <haeffb-pre> PatrickC: loser.
Jul 18 16:12:25 * PatrickC has no touchpad
Jul 18 16:12:59 <PatrickC> so it never reboots
Jul 18 16:13:22 <PatrickC> if halfhalo-bored could make me a blackbelt, I could get one
Jul 18 16:14:22 <PatrickC> chuqui!!
Jul 18 16:15:12 <haeffb-pre> PatrickC: only you can make you a black belt
Jul 18 16:15:30 <PatrickC> chuqui could change that for me :)
Jul 18 16:15:36 <PatrickC> I'm missing the workshop
Jul 18 16:15:40 <PatrickC> something I can't help
Jul 18 16:15:52 <haeffb-pre> just rebooted for the third time and I haven't touched it
Jul 18 16:16:23 <chuqui> morning, all
Jul 18 16:16:32 <PatrickC> hey chuqui :)
Jul 18 16:17:00 <haeffb-pre> I think I will swap it with the wife's TP tonight & see what happens
Jul 18 16:17:06 <haeffb-pre> hi chuqui
Jul 18 16:17:15 <halfhalo-bored> morning chuqui!
Jul 18 16:18:05 <haeffb-pre> chuqui: has halfhalo-bored gotten your coffee yet?
Jul 18 16:18:32 * halfhalo-bored is still in hotel :p and also is going to be in engineering, not devrel
Jul 18 16:19:04 <haeffb-pre> I heard engineering gets coffee for devrel
Jul 18 16:19:05 <summatusmentis> halfhalo-bored: where are you from that sunnyvale is cold?
Jul 18 16:19:14 <halfhalo-bored> socal.
Jul 18 16:20:05 <summatusmentis> oh
Jul 18 16:20:07 <summatusmentis> fine
Jul 18 16:20:12 <summatusmentis> I guess that's reasonable
Jul 18 16:20:18 <halfhalo-bored> ok, I think its time for mah to drive on over
Jul 18 16:22:48 <chuqui> just finished my coffee, tahnks. can't have more, or I start speaking in tongues.
Jul 18 16:23:28 <summatusmentis> and apparently being unable to type :-P
Jul 18 16:29:48 <haeffb-pre> man, I'm a month behind on my daily Dilbert calendar
Jul 18 16:30:31 <hotdp> Hmm any seen anything on the REAL 17 launch?
Jul 18 16:31:50 <haeffb-pre> no
Jul 18 16:32:15 <hotdp> oki
Jul 18 16:32:24 <haeffb-pre>  but my Sams Club had a TP display
Jul 18 16:32:43 <haeffb-pre> with a non-functioning demo
Jul 18 16:33:00 * haeffb-pre unsuccessfully tried to reboot it
Jul 18 16:35:41 <hotdp> Why is the demo units so defect?
Jul 18 16:35:53 <hotdp> Is it bad units or just people doing damage to the device?
Jul 18 16:36:16 <haeffb-pre> probably dead battery in this instance
Jul 18 16:36:38 <hotdp> like dead for good?
Jul 18 16:38:16 <bpadalino> chuqui: any info on when opensource.palm.com will be updated with 3.0 packages?
Jul 18 16:42:21 <PatrickC> haeffb'pre: mine has a working tp display
Jul 18 16:45:27 <chuqui> bpadalino:  I haven't heard yet. I"m guessing they are holding off for the first OTA, but I don't know for sure.
Jul 18 16:45:38 <bpadalino> gotcha - thanks
Jul 18 16:47:36 * PatrickC wants to know what belt he is
Jul 18 16:48:57 <PatrickC> http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0055D66V4?sp=1&qid=1311007365&sr=8-1
Jul 18 16:49:11 <PatrickC> 559 32GB touchpad
Jul 18 16:49:35 <funkatron> your mom
Jul 18 16:52:43 <fxspec06_pre2> wow i'm never gonna pass warlord
Jul 18 16:53:29 <fxspec06_pre2> he has like 4 times my score already. i don't have the attn span he does
Jul 18 16:58:15 <LoneStar99> morning everyone
Jul 18 16:59:46 <hotdp> morning LoneStar99
Jul 18 17:00:02 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: haha
Jul 18 17:00:05 <PatrickC> hey LoneStar
Jul 18 17:04:19 <tyranir> what's the best way to find something by class name in enyo?
Jul 18 17:05:56 <hotdp> The is a article about how good it is working at HP Denmark :S
Jul 18 17:05:58 <dwc-> isn't there a js get element by classname?
Jul 18 17:06:54 <LoneStar99> tyranir you mean by onclick?
Jul 18 17:07:15 <tyranir> i need to swap out some text based on a click
Jul 18 17:07:34 <tyranir> in a web app, i would just reference the class name/id of the element and change out the text value
Jul 18 17:07:43 <tyranir> i'm not sure what the best way to go about it in enyo is
Jul 18 17:10:17 <LoneStar99> can you inpect the element and get it's id ?
Jul 18 17:10:31 <quad_damage> Hi there :)
Jul 18 17:10:37 <haeffb-pre> an HtmlContent control would be one method
Jul 18 17:12:17 <LoneStar99> tyranir:  try something like -- var tgID = event.target.id;
Jul 18 17:13:08 <tyranir> the button triggering the event is not the same html element that contains the text that needs to be swapped
Jul 18 17:13:28 <tyranir> so there's no convenience function for css querying?
Jul 18 17:15:12 <LoneStar99> tyanir, with chrome you can inspect the element that needs the text swapped get that id
Jul 18 17:15:15 <haeffb-pre> I dunno. look at the docs for enyo.dom or something
Jul 18 17:18:02 <LoneStar99> tyranir:  var foo = event.target.id;  //when this ID is clicked, change text to other element...  if (foo ==  'element') {  $('foo').innerHTML = 'change text'; }
Jul 18 17:18:41 <LoneStar99> the above should work, use it in mojo apps all the time
Jul 18 17:18:56 <tyranir> LoneStar99: I'll give it a try, thanks!
Jul 18 17:20:43 <LoneStar99> np
Jul 18 17:44:35 <LoneStar99> DontAskAdora:  are you there?
Jul 18 17:46:41 <LoneStar99> DontAskAdora:  i can't upgrade an enyo app, cuss I am not given the option to upload a revised IPK...
Jul 18 17:53:00 <DontAskAdora> LoneStar99:  is the app already in review?
Jul 18 17:53:44 <LoneStar99> DontAskAdora:  it was rejected, it is drawing app you tested a few days back
Jul 18 17:54:00 <LoneStar99> added an overlay and fixed a few other bugs...
Jul 18 17:54:15 <LoneStar99> but can not upload the new package
Jul 18 17:54:30 <DontAskAdora> what options do you have?
Jul 18 17:56:22 <LoneStar99> there was just one, and i click on it, thinking I could upload an IPK, now just have "resume or cancel submission"
Jul 18 17:57:28 <LoneStar99> have never seen this before... i guess it may be a bug with enyo app rejections...
Jul 18 17:58:44 <LoneStar99> app is Drop XL handle -->WebbOS
Jul 18 18:13:47 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: you around?
Jul 18 19:12:10 <twbbas> Hi
Jul 18 19:15:16 <LoneStar99> howdy
Jul 18 19:15:52 <twbbas> Time to code
Jul 18 19:16:43 * hotdp is on he's first enyo app
Jul 18 19:16:59 <fxspec06_pre2> i have a headache fromdoing that
Jul 18 19:19:01 * hotdp would like a tp to test on..
Jul 18 19:26:10 <LoneStar99> hotdp: welcome to the club =)
Jul 18 19:26:40 <hotdp> its like it perorms good her
Jul 18 19:26:46 <hotdp> so i hope for the best :S
Jul 18 19:26:54 <LoneStar99> hotdp: how are you liking enyo?
Jul 18 19:26:59 <hotdp> I love it
Jul 18 19:27:14 <hotdp> I use Sencha Touch at work, enyo is "the same" but much better :D
Jul 18 19:27:47 <LoneStar99> i am still getting used to it, have one enyo app  still waiting approval, and working on another now
Jul 18 19:28:27 <hotdp> :)
Jul 18 19:28:46 <hotdp> I also had to learn Sencha Touch, its different then mojo
Jul 18 19:28:51 <hotdp> but you will get there :)
Jul 18 19:28:59 <hotdp> Enyo is a little but different but not much
Jul 18 19:29:00 <LoneStar99> one thing I am still trying to figure out with enyo is how to encapsulate widgets into divs etc... kinda tricky since it is all code...
Jul 18 19:29:14 <hotdp> Ahh there is a article about it
Jul 18 19:29:20 <hotdp> I think Ben C wrote it
Jul 18 19:29:25 <hotdp> have you read it?
Jul 18 19:29:38 <LoneStar99> nope, do you have a link?
Jul 18 19:29:51 <hotdp> hmm its on my work mail, let me check
Jul 18 19:30:04 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
Jul 18 19:30:13 <hotdp> gah, can it wait until tomorrow?
Jul 18 19:30:34 <twbbas> LoneStar: Use enyo.Control
Jul 18 19:30:50 <LoneStar99> yeah forsure, not working on it now anyways, working on some php stuff
Jul 18 19:30:50 <twbbas> LoneStar99: ^^
Jul 18 19:31:14 <twbbas> The enyo.Control kind just makes a div if I remember correctly
Jul 18 19:31:23 <twbbas> So put all the other kinds as components of that
Jul 18 19:31:32 <hotdp> Can any tell me how large lists performs on a real tp ?
Jul 18 19:32:07 <LoneStar99> had trouble with an example like such in enyo  --> "<div id="container"><div class="foo"><!-- enyo widget here --></div></div>
Jul 18 19:33:19 <LoneStar99> had figure out a rough workaround, cuss my widget was all over the place with different orientations
Jul 18 19:34:09 <twbbas> {name: "container", kind: enyo.Control, components: [ {kind: enyo widget here} ]}
Jul 18 19:34:29 <twbbas> well
Jul 18 19:34:33 <twbbas> let me edit that
Jul 18 19:35:00 <twbbas> {name: "container", kind: enyo.Control, components: [ {kind: enyo.Control, className: "foo", components [ enyo widget here ]} ]}
Jul 18 19:35:02 <LoneStar99> k
Jul 18 19:35:12 <twbbas> That *should* make what you're talking about
Jul 18 19:35:37 <LoneStar99> twbbas: ok thanks
Jul 18 19:35:41 <twbbas> no problem
Jul 18 19:35:47 <twbbas> Took me forever to figure that out too
Jul 18 19:36:57 <LoneStar99> so with the proper css stuff, that should prevent a widget from moving around and stay centered regardless of orientation?
Jul 18 19:38:29 <twbbas> it should
Jul 18 19:39:04 <LoneStar99> ok cool will try it out a little later
Jul 18 19:41:20 <twbbas> RIM's discontinuing the Playbook. I guess the TouchPad pretty much owned it?
Jul 18 19:41:39 <hotdp> what?
Jul 18 19:42:24 <LoneStar99> twbbas:  where u read that?
Jul 18 19:43:01 * hotdp looks at he's calender to see if its april
Jul 18 19:43:12 <twbbas> http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/18/rim-to-discontinue-blackberry-playbook/
Jul 18 19:43:28 <twbbas> And numerous other tech bogs
Jul 18 19:43:29 <twbbas> blogs
Jul 18 19:44:03 <hotdp> ahh
Jul 18 19:44:07 <hotdp> its not for sure i see..
Jul 18 19:44:17 <twbbas> sounds most likely though
Jul 18 19:44:39 <hotdp> wifi only...
Jul 18 19:45:49 <hotdp> noob q
Jul 18 19:45:58 <LoneStar99> brb lunch
Jul 18 19:45:58 <hotdp> Is it not called a "List" in enyo?
Jul 18 19:47:07 <twbbas> VirtualList
Jul 18 19:47:17 <hotdp> I see
Jul 18 19:47:22 <hotdp> Hmm
Jul 18 19:51:49 <hotdp> twbbas: do youi know how lists performse?
Jul 18 19:52:12 <twbbas> in general?
Jul 18 19:52:51 <hotdp> yer
Jul 18 19:52:54 <leiru> hi
Jul 18 19:52:55 <hotdp> "large" maybe
Jul 18 19:53:00 <twbbas> uhh pretty well I'd say
Jul 18 19:53:09 <twbbas> well I use Spaz HD and that has a huge list in it
Jul 18 19:53:22 <twbbas> there are sometimes where I bring the card into focus and it doesn't scroll for a few secs
Jul 18 19:53:28 <twbbas> but that's an issue of the TouchPad's performance
Jul 18 19:53:37 <twbbas> and I think they're going to fix that with the OTA later this month
Jul 18 19:55:59 <hotdp> i see
Jul 18 19:56:09 <hotdp> its just because lists lags on my pre 2i think :D
Jul 18 19:56:16 <matbee> meh
Jul 18 20:11:16 <summatusmentis> twbbas: we can only hope they fix it
Jul 18 20:22:13 <twbbas> Woot! DeWitt just responded to me on Twitter :D I feel special
Jul 18 20:22:31 <twbbas> I think I convinced him that it's called "webOS" not "the webOS"
Jul 18 20:23:49 <hotdp> lol
Jul 18 20:23:51 <summatusmentis> what's your twitter handle?
Jul 18 20:24:22 <twbbas> http://i.imgur.com/A7Un7.png
Jul 18 20:24:34 <haeffb-pre> oh, hadn't you heard? we all voted to change it to"the webOS" last week.
Jul 18 20:24:55 <twbbas> Watch that video and he says "the webOS" like a bajillion times
Jul 18 20:25:03 <twbbas> haeffb-pre: Last week was a sad week then
Jul 18 20:25:16 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Thanks for the follow!
Jul 18 20:25:38 <summatusmentis> I, from now on, will only be calling it "teh webOS"
Jul 18 20:25:42 <haeffb-pre> well, it only passed by one vote. you should have voted.
Jul 18 20:25:58 <twbbas> lol
Jul 18 20:26:06 <twbbas> teh weeeeboz
Jul 18 20:27:35 <summatusmentis> twbbas: of course :) I like knowing what's what in the teh webOS community
Jul 18 20:32:12 <twbbas> so dark here
Jul 18 20:32:20 <twbbas> a storm's a brewin'
Jul 18 20:33:38 <twbbas> There's no enyo kind that makes a 4 v 4 grid is there? I'm using horizontal and vertical flex boxes and just want to know if there's a better way
Jul 18 20:33:47 <twbbas> err 4 v 16 grid
Jul 18 20:33:56 <twbbas> wait no
Jul 18 20:34:00 <twbbas> 4 v 4 I was right the first time
Jul 18 20:34:29 <summatusmentis> arguably the best way is to write your own kind :)
Jul 18 20:34:48 <twbbas> ah! That's a great idea. I keep forgetting that I can do that :o
Jul 18 20:36:30 <twbbas> 46% of smartphone buyers want iPhone next, 32% Android, 4% Blackberry. Probably 0.000001% webOS
Jul 18 20:37:55 <summatusmentis> I don't code enyo, but I do know it's allegedly OOP
Jul 18 20:38:54 <LoneStar99> "The WebOS" || "The Google" || "The Obama"
Jul 18 20:39:19 <twbbas> "The iOS" || "The Android"
Jul 18 20:39:24 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 18 20:39:50 <summatusmentis> THE OBAMA IS STEELIN' OUR JORBS WIF HIS SOCIALIST LIBRUL VIEWS
Jul 18 20:39:53 <LoneStar99> in the ghetto "Da WebOS"
Jul 18 20:40:57 <twbbas> the capital W hurts more than the "Da"
Jul 18 20:46:28 <LoneStar99> da webOS .. el webOS .. la webOS .. das webOS
Jul 18 20:46:53 <twbbas> dos webOSes
Jul 18 20:47:01 <summatusmentis> ich bin ein webOS
Jul 18 20:47:04 <twbbas> :o
Jul 18 20:47:12 <twbbas> bustin' out the big words eh, summatusmentis?
Jul 18 20:47:30 <summatusmentis> none of those words have more than 3 letters except for webOS
Jul 18 20:47:38 <twbbas> lol
Jul 18 20:48:05 <twbbas> I propose we just rename webOS to "web Operating System." It sounds more... sophisticated
Jul 18 20:48:14 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 18 20:48:32 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: you around?
Jul 18 20:48:36 <HattCzech_work> or chuqui?
Jul 18 20:49:13 <summatusmentis> twbbas: right, because that'll help mitigate the "the web Operating System" issue
Jul 18 20:49:24 <twbbas> lol
Jul 18 20:50:02 <LoneStar99> what about "cyberOS" or "wwwOS"  "internetOS"
Jul 18 20:50:28 <twbbas> tubesOS
Jul 18 20:50:37 <twbbas>  I like wwwOS the best though
Jul 18 20:50:54 <twbbas> dubya dubya dubya OS
Jul 18 20:50:55 <summatusmentis> tubesOS just has potential for a lof of bad innuendo
Jul 18 20:51:04 <twbbas> lolll
Jul 18 20:51:07 <summatusmentis> TP freezes up? "my tubes are getting tied"
Jul 18 20:51:15 <twbbas> haha
Jul 18 20:51:31 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 18 20:51:41 <twbbas> netscapeOS
Jul 18 20:51:56 <LoneStar99> aolOS
Jul 18 20:52:00 <twbbas> omg no
Jul 18 20:52:01 <twbbas> please no
Jul 18 20:52:09 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 18 20:52:26 <twbbas> that'll be the worst thing to ever happen to the internet since... AOL
Jul 18 20:52:28 <summatusmentis> I was sort of surprised they didn't keep palmOS originally
Jul 18 20:53:21 <LoneStar99> how may versions was there of palmOS?
Jul 18 20:54:01 <summatusmentis> I think the newest one that was available to consumers was 4.x (4.6 maybe?)
Jul 18 20:54:10 <summatusmentis> there was always rumors of a PalmOS5
Jul 18 20:54:15 <summatusmentis> but Garnet was 4.x
Jul 18 20:54:53 <summatusmentis> oh, no
Jul 18 20:54:56 <summatusmentis> Garnet was 5.5
Jul 18 20:55:04 <summatusmentis> PalmOS6 was always the rumored one
Jul 18 20:55:51 <LoneStar99> oh ok
Jul 18 20:56:06 <summatusmentis> the iwki page claims 6.0 actually existed, but I never remember seeing it
Jul 18 20:57:35 <LoneStar99> yeah was reading that "cobalt"
Jul 18 20:58:04 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: sort of around, what's up?
Jul 18 21:01:36 <twbbas> Anyone know why this might not be working? http://pastebin.com/J6uKaSxc
Jul 18 21:02:52 <summatusmentis> stupid question, but does destroyComponents() exist?
Jul 18 21:03:17 <twbbas> Yeah, I've used it before
Jul 18 21:03:34 <summatusmentis> ok, then I have no idea
Jul 18 21:07:33 <azakus> twbbas: do the hboxs own their contents?
Jul 18 21:08:32 <twbbas> azakus: Ah. that's the problem. Thanks
Jul 18 21:10:40 <nohorse> how is everyone feeling about the touchpad?  I ended up returning mine.  didn't feel done yet
Jul 18 21:13:32 <sugardave> nohorse: I love my TouchPad, returning it would deprive me of watching how things evolve
Jul 18 21:14:15 <dwc-> you work for palm now, that's not standard equipment?
Jul 18 21:14:29 <summatusmentis> sugardave: might also get you fired "I'm sorry, this just isn't worth the experience, you have to take it back"
Jul 18 21:14:42 <sugardave> heh
Jul 18 21:14:52 <summatusmentis> nohorse: I'm definitely keeping mine, I'm willing to believe that HP is gonna fix the app needs I have
Jul 18 21:16:54 <twbbas> I want a netflix app
Jul 18 21:17:01 <twbbas> that's the only big thing I'm missing
Jul 18 21:17:43 <summatusmentis> I want a netflix app, and a functioning rss client
Jul 18 21:17:52 <summatusmentis> an an ampache app
Jul 18 21:17:55 <summatusmentis> and*
Jul 18 21:18:01 <summatusmentis> or something similar
Jul 18 21:18:08 <summatusmentis> I'm not tied to ampache, specifically
Jul 18 21:18:21 <twbbas> oh yeah, google reader incorporated RSS reader would be nice
Jul 18 21:18:31 <twbbas> I don't use ampache though
Jul 18 21:18:36 <summatusmentis> <3 ampache
Jul 18 21:18:40 <sugardave> google is trying to drive me insane
Jul 18 21:18:44 <summatusmentis> I'm tired of syncing files all over the place
Jul 18 21:19:03 <twbbas> use spotify
Jul 18 21:19:10 <twbbas> (when they make a TouchPad version)
Jul 18 21:21:05 <dwc-> http://code.google.com/p/ampache-mobile/ ampache app?
Jul 18 21:22:23 <nohorse> I'll get another touchpad again soon.  hopefully thru the developer program with some slight discount.  the real suprize was the missing GPS.  then i found out that the GPS edition is coming soon from ATT so i returned the one i had.  I want to use it for geocaching and on the boat
Jul 18 21:23:03 <summatusmentis> twbbas: yeah, the whole ads thing is irritating
Jul 18 21:23:15 <summatusmentis> dwc-: not sure it's available for TP, normally it'd be in preware
Jul 18 21:23:33 <summatusmentis> and even if it is, I don't wanna use the mojo compat-emulator
Jul 18 21:27:11 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: you going to the meetup in dallas?
Jul 18 21:40:04 <PatrickC> hey
Jul 18 21:53:36 <PatrickC> so, blackberry, iphone, and android get 4square updates..
Jul 18 21:53:45 <funkatron> so people realize I'm just fucking with DeWitt, right?
Jul 18 21:54:09 <PatrickC> on twitter?
Jul 18 21:54:17 <funkatron> yeppers
Jul 18 21:55:14 <PatrickC> probably
Jul 18 21:55:23 <PatrickC> doesn't mojo use HTML5?
Jul 18 21:56:08 <funkatron> it uses some features of APIs that were introduced as "HTML5"
Jul 18 21:56:17 <funkatron> which is an awful and confusing name, but sure
Jul 18 21:56:37 <PatrickC> how come you said it doesn't support inline audio? I thought it did..
Jul 18 21:57:28 <leiru> hrm
Jul 18 21:57:35 <PatrickC> hey leiru
Jul 18 21:57:41 <leiru> heya there
Jul 18 21:57:56 <PatrickC> ugg... c'mon palm.. email!
Jul 18 21:58:04 <leiru> i got deeply demotivated, i think i will quit soon webOS development
Jul 18 21:58:11 <PatrickC> chuqui: I'm guessing dev re is swamped..
Jul 18 21:58:20 <PatrickC> leiru: why?!
Jul 18 21:58:38 <PatrickC> dev rel*
Jul 18 22:00:28 <leiru> i have to start from zero in enyo; i am following since i have a smatphone and beeing developing, even in ruby for webOS - but i am a green belt and even not a certiefied developer; the hardware does not refinancate even, not to tell about the time. and homepages also costs money.
Jul 18 22:00:59 <leiru> it has been a time where i spend my time for spending money without getting anything back
Jul 18 22:01:34 <PatrickC> I just really enjoy dev'ing for webOS... so I keep doing it, at minimal cost
Jul 18 22:02:02 <leiru> yes, keep that forward
Jul 18 22:02:09 <leiru> for myself, the magic has gone.
Jul 18 22:02:20 <leiru> just with the new dev program.
Jul 18 22:02:56 <leiru> and two commecial apps that are around 0-4 downloads
Jul 18 22:03:38 <PatrickC> what apps?
Jul 18 22:04:52 <leiru> most time i develop open source.
Jul 18 22:05:05 <leiru> mite.touch
Jul 18 22:05:09 <PatrickC> same here
Jul 18 22:05:29 <leiru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbr_NZ3gdlE
Jul 18 22:05:47 <leiru> it's a really compley timetracking and controlling app
Jul 18 22:05:55 <leiru> i wrote 3 months on it
Jul 18 22:06:17 <leiru> the shown part in the video isjust the timetracking part in the app
Jul 18 22:06:32 <leiru> without creating projects, tasks, and so on...
Jul 18 22:06:41 <PatrickC> looks nice
Jul 18 22:06:46 <PatrickC> very nice ui
Jul 18 22:06:54 <PatrickC> I could use you on my UI team :P
Jul 18 22:07:18 <leiru> the UI did a friend of me, for 40% of the earnings
Jul 18 22:07:46 <leiru> but with 2 downloads, i have nothing to give him for his work
Jul 18 22:07:53 <PatrickC> that stinks..
Jul 18 22:08:31 <leiru> that really sucks.
Jul 18 22:09:13 <PatrickC> do a Promo campaign.. boost your market
Jul 18 22:09:18 <PatrickC> get some good reviews
Jul 18 22:09:21 <leiru> lol?
Jul 18 22:09:25 <leiru> which market?
Jul 18 22:09:27 <PatrickC> more people will buy it
Jul 18 22:09:47 <PatrickC> if you do a Promo campaign, people will use it more
Jul 18 22:09:55 <leiru> http://blog.yo.lk/2011/06/11/mite-touch-zeiterfassung-fuer-webos || http://thesmartphoneappreview.com/2011/06/09/mite-touch-webos-review/
Jul 18 22:10:02 <PatrickC> and review it, and it will get more well known then the 2 people that have it :)
Jul 18 22:10:04 <leiru> and the app is both english and german
Jul 18 22:10:38 <PatrickC> wow
Jul 18 22:10:51 <PatrickC> I would srsly do like a 50-100 promo campaign
Jul 18 22:10:59 <leiru> as i said, 3 months hard work every day after work and each weekend
Jul 18 22:11:09 <PatrickC> I did a 100 promo campaign for my app, and my sales went higher
Jul 18 22:11:13 <PatrickC> not much, but they did
Jul 18 22:11:30 <leiru> i have f***ing 2 downloads ;)
Jul 18 22:11:46 <PatrickC> they will grow :)
Jul 18 22:11:50 <PatrickC> I had about 20
Jul 18 22:11:55 <PatrickC> now I have almost 100
Jul 18 22:11:59 <PatrickC> paid downloads
Jul 18 22:12:07 <LoneStar99> leiru: i have 3 downloads =(
Jul 18 22:12:23 <PatrickC> promo campaign worked for me.. I would try it..
Jul 18 22:12:30 <leiru> to be honest, all my downloads will never grow to even finance a touchpad.
Jul 18 22:12:37 <LoneStar99> will look into promo code
Jul 18 22:13:11 <leiru> i think it's the small userbase.
Jul 18 22:13:27 <leiru> LoneStar99: i thought about a free version with ads
Jul 18 22:14:33 <dwc-> there's a lot of timetracker apps out there.
Jul 18 22:15:18 <dwc-> is mite (online) your product, or just the app?
Jul 18 22:15:34 <rwhitby> leiru: the fact that I've never heard of "Mite" before may have something to do with it.
Jul 18 22:15:44 <leiru> just the app.
Jul 18 22:15:55 <LoneStar99> PatrickC:  then you place promo code in twitter, FB etc... ??
Jul 18 22:15:57 <dwc-> how big is mite's userbase?
Jul 18 22:15:59 <leiru> rwhitby: they are quite popular in germany for freelancers
Jul 18 22:16:36 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: yeah, forums, FB, twitter, here, blogs, etc.
Jul 18 22:16:40 <rwhitby> sounds like your TAM is german webOS users
Jul 18 22:16:52 <dwc-> my guess is the $5 up front cost is too high for the casual appcat browser looking for a time tracking app
Jul 18 22:17:10 <akanster> TAM?
Jul 18 22:17:16 <rwhitby> Total Available Market
Jul 18 22:18:21 <LoneStar99> PatrickC: ok will release some promo code tomorrow
Jul 18 22:18:26 <leiru> rwhitby: sounds lik there are >=5 mite apps for iphone and they are making money, even if it's not much
Jul 18 22:18:51 <leiru> i am the only one and i have 2 depressing downloads
Jul 18 22:18:54 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: promo codes take 24 hrs to activate fyi
Jul 18 22:19:15 <leiru> *on webOS
Jul 18 22:19:46 <LoneStar99> oh ok thanks
Jul 18 22:19:59 <rwhitby> leiru: I suspect the number of iphone users in germany is orders of magnitude larger than webos users
Jul 18 22:20:14 <dwc-> any idea what the relative size of (iphone userbase) & (mite userbase) is vs (webos userbase) & (mite userbase) ?
Jul 18 22:20:27 <leiru> rwhitby: i think that will be the same in the US
Jul 18 22:20:29 <fxspec06> 100,000 : 1
Jul 18 22:20:57 <akanster> isn't there a webOS marketing blitz begining this week?
Jul 18 22:22:11 <leiru> as i said:  00:04:00  < leiru> which market?
Jul 18 22:27:26 <twbbas> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/Z1LyJ5XSqls/
Jul 18 22:36:11 <fxspec06> i guess the emulator doesn't like being run for three days str8 w/ o any activity
Jul 18 22:39:44 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: sorry, been having meetings.  Yes, I'm going to be at the Dallas meetup Friday
Jul 18 22:40:44 <azakus> twbbas: RIM's investors would flee to the hills if they discontinuted the playbook
Jul 18 22:45:26 <bmidgley> my phonegap app works almost perfectly in the tablet sim... except for confirm(). What is the most portable way to invoke a confirm dialog?
Jul 18 22:45:34 <bmidgley> maybe more of a phonegap question
Jul 18 22:46:16 <dwc-> azakus: I think RIM's investors still probably believe in the power of the blackberry for smartphones in the enterprise markets
Jul 18 22:47:42 <azakus> dwc-: that's probably true
Jul 18 22:52:56 <sugardave> fxspec06: which OS?  I'm noticing that my vms in Ubuntu are much more resilient than in Windows
Jul 18 23:04:01 <pishposh> just got a pixi plus. amazing software on terrible hardware
Jul 18 23:04:42 <maik> heyoooooooo
Jul 18 23:05:21 <maik> finally got around to revising the Emergency Lights description to Palm's liking :P
Jul 18 23:05:35 <maik> no more "hold it up out of your sun roof" or "stop some violators"
Jul 18 23:05:41 <maik> and added a disclaimer
Jul 18 23:10:24 <fxspec06> sugardave: windows 7. i came back after i left w/ a ton of windows open... everything was fine til i tried using the emulator, then the computer froze and i had to reboot
Jul 18 23:12:34 <halfhalo-work> moo.
Jul 18 23:16:52 <akanster> moo yourself!
Jul 18 23:19:01 <fxspec06> moo hoo
Jul 18 23:20:23 <twbbas> Kindle app is out
Jul 18 23:20:27 <twbbas> check your software managers
Jul 18 23:36:20 <nohorse> i'd love a nook app for the touchpad
Jul 18 23:38:16 * twbbas is downloading lots of free books to his Kindle app
Jul 18 23:56:25 <twbbas> In case you missed me saying it earlier, Kindle's available on the TouchPad now
Jul 18 23:56:30 <twbbas> Check your software manager
Jul 19 00:00:30 <haeffb> meh. Mine says I"m up to date.
Jul 19 00:03:07 <dwc-> ohhh, touchpad.
Jul 19 00:03:18 <halfhalo-work> they are pretty shiny
Jul 19 00:09:34 <haeffb> just swapped TouchPads and software manager didn't know that I'd downloaded the Kindle beta. Going to the app cat to install
Jul 19 00:10:13 <haeffb> funny that Kindle beta has 75 reviews averaging 2.5 stars
Jul 19 00:11:19 <haeffb> woo! Kindle works
Jul 19 00:43:41 <twbbas> Yeah, it's pretty buggy
Jul 19 01:02:46 <twbbas> Anyone know why my folder (.appname) in media/internal isn't showing as hidden when put in usb mode? I thought it was supposed to default to hidden.
Jul 19 01:08:18 * halfhalo yawns
Jul 19 01:17:02 <rwhitby> So, Kindle app is geo-restricted to the US TouchPad app catalog only.
Jul 19 01:17:43 <halfhalo> seriously?
Jul 19 01:18:37 <twbbas> Yup
Jul 19 01:18:41 <rwhitby> Yep. Never trust anything a HP/Palm executive says about removing geo-restrictions.
Jul 19 01:18:57 <twbbas> I wonder if it was Amazon's decision or HP's
Jul 19 01:19:14 <twbbas> But also, it is still in beta. Maybe that's why?
Jul 19 01:46:42 <PatrickC> touchpad people: I have a question
Jul 19 01:48:09 <halfhalo> lies
Jul 19 01:48:32 <PatrickC> what's Kindle's appid?
Jul 19 01:49:29 <halfhalo> no idea
Jul 19 01:49:37 <PatrickC> look?
Jul 19 01:49:40 <PatrickC> :)
Jul 19 01:49:43 <halfhalo> no?
Jul 19 01:50:18 <PatrickC> how was palm?
Jul 19 01:51:29 <halfhalo> palmy
Jul 19 01:51:51 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 01:51:57 <PatrickC> get any hardware?
Jul 19 01:59:18 <fxspec06> hola
Jul 19 02:01:20 <fxspec06> TWO RUNS IN
Jul 19 02:01:25 <fxspec06> DUSTIN PEDROIAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Jul 19 02:01:49 * fxspec06 loves dustin pedroia
Jul 19 02:03:41 <twbbas> PatrickC: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.kindle
Jul 19 02:03:48 <twbbas> PatrickC: com.palm.app.kindle
Jul 19 02:05:04 <PatrickC> twbbas: thanks
Jul 19 02:07:21 <PatrickC> installing on pre2 now
Jul 19 02:07:26 <PatrickC> thx Impostah ;)
Jul 19 02:12:06 <PatrickC> installed
Jul 19 02:12:08 <PatrickC> and ran
Jul 19 02:12:22 <PatrickC> gonna reboot to fix it, and I should have a working Kindle app on my pre2
Jul 19 02:12:25 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 19 02:15:43 <PatrickC> logging into kindle
Jul 19 02:15:49 <twbbas> PatrickC: Let me know how well it works
Jul 19 02:15:54 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 19 02:16:16 <PatrickC> still signing in
Jul 19 02:16:21 <twbbas> I don't have enyo installed on my Pre- so I can't test it on my phon
Jul 19 02:16:23 <twbbas> phone*
Jul 19 02:16:38 <Swindlehurst> enyo?
Jul 19 02:16:49 <twbbas> Yeah, you can manually install enyo
Jul 19 02:16:55 <twbbas> PatrickC did it on his Pre 2
Jul 19 02:17:04 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 19 02:17:17 <Swindlehurst> what is it? im stuck on pre 1
Jul 19 02:17:36 <twbbas> It's the app framework that will be replacing Mojo
Jul 19 02:17:48 <twbbas> It's how devs program for the TouchPad currently
Jul 19 02:18:08 <PatrickC> hmm.. tons of log info
Jul 19 02:18:16 <PatrickC> seems they didn't fix the loglevel :)
Jul 19 02:18:20 <twbbas> lol
Jul 19 02:18:47 <fxspec06> i did it too
Jul 19 02:18:50 * fxspec06 did it too
Jul 19 02:18:58 <twbbas> PatrickC: it IS still in beta
Jul 19 02:19:07 <PatrickC> ah true
Jul 19 02:19:08 <Swindlehurst> oh right. well i just bought my pre the otherday. and managed to put preware on :)
Jul 19 02:19:17 <fxspec06> wait i can download kindle
Jul 19 02:19:17 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/88wKczty
Jul 19 02:19:19 <fxspec06> onto my phone
Jul 19 02:19:19 <twbbas> Congratulations
Jul 19 02:19:27 <PatrickC> fxspec06: you have Impostah?
Jul 19 02:19:29 <twbbas> fxspec06: That's what PatrickC is doing
Jul 19 02:19:43 <PatrickC> s/doing/did/
Jul 19 02:19:50 <twbbas> lol
Jul 19 02:19:55 <twbbas> does it run well?
Jul 19 02:20:01 <PatrickC> still won't sign in
Jul 19 02:20:08 <twbbas> dang
Jul 19 02:20:12 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 19 02:20:15 <PatrickC> hrmm...
Jul 19 02:20:21 <PatrickC> scroller doesn't work either
Jul 19 02:21:23 <Swindlehurst> anyone know any preware feeds?
Jul 19 02:21:48 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 19 02:22:06 <PatrickC> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Jul 19 02:22:29 <PatrickC> twbbas: http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/Files/kindle_2011-18-07_211514.png
Jul 19 02:23:44 <PatrickC> http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/Files/kindle_2011-18-07_211707.png
Jul 19 02:24:23 <halfhalo> this hotel wifi SUCKS
Jul 19 02:24:34 <twbbas> PatrickC: I guess it's not working then
Jul 19 02:24:43 <PatrickC> nope
Jul 19 02:25:06 <PatrickC> you can install it and help fix it?
Jul 19 02:26:30 <twbbas> I don't have enyo on my phone
Jul 19 02:26:58 <PatrickC> you have the instructions? don't you?
Jul 19 02:27:04 <PatrickC> are you on my forums?
Jul 19 02:27:19 <twbbas> eh yeah but I'll do it later
Jul 19 02:27:26 <twbbas> I'm watching Netflix right now and then sleep :D
Jul 19 02:27:38 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 19 02:27:40 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 19 02:27:55 <fxspec06> patrick i thought u fixed the scroller!
Jul 19 02:28:03 <PatrickC> I did
Jul 19 02:28:14 <PatrickC> well.. NuttyBunny did
Jul 19 02:28:16 <fxspec06> but it don't work
Jul 19 02:28:16 <fxspec06> ?
Jul 19 02:28:26 <fxspec06> that damn bunny! lets eat it
Jul 19 02:28:34 <PatrickC> it did work
Jul 19 02:28:42 <PatrickC> but... but.... kindle doesn't work
Jul 19 02:29:39 <twbbas> maybe it doesn't have a scroller on the login screen
Jul 19 02:29:50 <fxspec06> but but but.. how am i gonna read books if it doesn't work
Jul 19 02:30:05 <twbbas> library I guess
Jul 19 02:30:19 <twbbas> ok back to my show
Jul 19 02:30:50 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 19 02:30:57 <PatrickC> fxspec06: fix it.. then it'll work
Jul 19 02:32:55 <fxspec06> i would but... i have things to worry about
Jul 19 02:33:00 <fxspec06> =p
Jul 19 02:34:46 <haeffb> hmmm... new TouchPad also restarts when using USB drive
Jul 19 02:37:10 <halfhalo> new?
Jul 19 02:38:24 <fxspec06> who has the old touchpad?
Jul 19 02:42:14 <PatrickC> chuqui, DontAskAdora: ping
Jul 19 02:42:17 <haeffb> Bought a second for the wife
Jul 19 02:42:33 <haeffb> s/wife/wifi
Jul 19 02:42:35 <sugardave> buy 2 touchpads get 1 wife?
Jul 19 02:42:37 <haeffb> no, not really
Jul 19 02:42:38 <sugardave> interesting
Jul 19 02:43:22 <haeffb> the first has real issues with wifi at the office
Jul 19 02:43:45 <haeffb> going to see if it's specific device problem or a TP general issue
Jul 19 02:45:10 <haeffb> oh, crap, forgot my HP laser printer arrived today. I gotta get that set up now....
Jul 19 02:45:36 <haeffb> dang you Amazon and your Prime shipping
Jul 19 02:50:40 <fxspec06> buy 2 wives get 1 touchpad?
Jul 19 02:51:56 <haeffb> 2 wives should get you a free touchpad, for sure
Jul 19 02:52:55 <matbee_> pish
Jul 19 02:53:00 <matbee_> take my gf, and ill give u a touchpad
Jul 19 02:53:03 <matbee_> :
Jul 19 02:53:05 <matbee_> :)
Jul 19 02:55:01 <fxspec06> i'll let your gf use my touchpad
Jul 19 02:56:25 <dwc-> hm, your gf is that bad?
Jul 19 02:56:55 * halfhalo drools http://www.amazon.com/Cartier-W31088U2-Stainless-Steel-Automatic-Chronograph/dp/B001BA01YS/ref=sr_1_20?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1311043772&sr=1-20
Jul 19 02:57:52 <PatrickC> halfhalo: I'll take 2
Jul 19 02:57:57 <fxspec06> lol that's nothing
Jul 19 02:58:04 <fxspec06> wait til i find what i'm thinking of
Jul 19 02:58:48 * fxspec06 drools http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/26/harry-winstons-opus-eleven-watch-mechanical-masterpiece-bank/
Jul 19 02:59:00 <matbee_> wut wat
Jul 19 02:59:17 <halfhalo> meh.  not my style watch
Jul 19 02:59:55 <fxspec06> oh so ur style is cheap. i see
Jul 19 02:59:56 <PatrickC> like halfhalo's watch better
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