**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 21 02:59:56 2011 Jul 21 03:05:32 CTLAdvance: The keyboard can even go as low as 26 if we manage to get 20 people to buy it :D Jul 21 03:05:39 link? Jul 21 03:05:45 http://forums.precentral.net/marketplace/288980-hey-i-got-great-deal-nice-bluetooth-keyboard-2-1-ifruit-robot-devi.html#post3038842 Jul 21 03:05:47 lol Jul 21 03:06:23 sign there so we can get 20 people or more and get some cheap keyboards ;) they look quite nice actually Jul 21 03:07:31 off-brand apple knock-off? Jul 21 03:07:50 yep, does it matter? :) Jul 21 03:09:19 no, as long as it has the keys I need Jul 21 03:09:41 oh, they have one with pc key caps on it Jul 21 03:10:07 and one without an escape key Jul 21 03:14:30 Heh Jul 21 03:14:54 http://forums.precentral.net/marketplace/288980-group-buy-lets-get-bluetooth-keyboard-earn-discount.html#post3038842 new link ;) And dwc-: it has all the keys ;) Jul 21 03:15:12 I have one of those apple bt keyboards Jul 21 03:15:30 It's actually a pretty nice keyboard Jul 21 03:15:47 Not as nice as my mechanical keyboard though :D Jul 21 03:16:05 hehehe... but for $26 you can't beat it ;) Jul 21 03:16:17 I don't think I paid even that much for it :D Jul 21 03:16:34 Although I cheated and bought it off my friend who didn't need it =) Jul 21 03:28:03 pffft... I NEED a physical touchpad. My phone won't render my canvas to a file. I REALLY need 3.0, the emu sucks as well :@ Jul 21 03:28:41 there, my service is stuck... great Jul 21 03:28:51 You're doing it wrong! Jul 21 03:28:52 ;) Jul 21 03:29:29 Apparently the Pre 2 not doing the swishh sound when closing an app is a sign that you will need to reboot it soon Jul 21 03:29:29 Am I holding it wrong? ;) Jul 21 03:29:37 Probably that too! Jul 21 03:30:05 Funny that Jul 21 03:30:09 I have an iPhone 4 Jul 21 03:30:31 And despite the whole antenna thing with that, I think I usually get better signal with it than the Pre 2... :P Jul 21 03:31:11 really? my Pixi has better signal than the Pre- or even the PRe2 :) Jul 21 03:31:32 mechanically the pixi appears to be a wonderful phone Jul 21 03:31:43 I cant compare my iphone4 to my pre2 as my pre2 is on sprint Jul 21 03:32:02 :) Jul 21 03:32:50 Loudergood: just mecanically ;) Jul 21 03:33:31 I have both on same network Jul 21 03:33:41 Actually it even gets better GPS signal Jul 21 03:33:43 And when indoors Jul 21 03:33:48 I had pre2 on sprint then left for ATT and an iphone Jul 21 03:33:57 never switched the modem back in Jul 21 03:34:11 if nothing else we can comment HP for veering away from cutephone names that self respecting heterosexual men might have a hard time with ... ;) Jul 21 03:34:20 *comment = commend Jul 21 03:35:17 my gf asks me for my ticketmaster password.. poor thing, she doesn't know that the card tied to the account is a debit one and it's empty most of the time :D Jul 21 03:35:18 (some) americans and their homophobia .... Jul 21 03:35:29 dwc: LOL Jul 21 03:35:41 of course it's empty... ticketmaster fees are insane Jul 21 03:36:18 yep, here the fees are about 10-15% for each ticket Jul 21 03:36:21 $30 ticket? $10 "processing fee"? $40 ticket? $14 "processing fee"? ... because issuing that ticket costs more somehow? Jul 21 03:36:42 * dwc- dislikes ticketmaster/livenation Jul 21 03:36:53 the fees are lower here if we print our own tickets... at least Jul 21 03:46:50 * matbee_ is making an official ticketmaster/livenation app at work Jul 21 03:46:53 o_O Jul 21 03:46:59 i should try to get one on web0s Jul 21 03:47:20 or open up our webservice and do it on my own Jul 21 04:04:56 * fxspec06 kicks patrickc in the balls Jul 21 04:05:02 lol Jul 21 04:05:27 ow! Jul 21 04:05:33 lolllll Jul 21 04:05:33 what did I do this time? Jul 21 04:05:53 that was for not having your site back up Jul 21 04:05:54 ok, time to work out this launcher tabs thing on the TouchPad Jul 21 04:06:05 fxspec06: lol Jul 21 04:06:07 you fix it Jul 21 04:06:38 do it rod! i don't have one but when i get one i will appreciate it for sure! Jul 21 04:08:39 patrickc: i can't! i have no idea Jul 21 04:08:46 haa Jul 21 04:09:15 and you expect me, a 15 yr old, to have an idea on how to fix a server w/o a backup :P Jul 21 04:09:53 annnnddddd that proves oh so many points Jul 21 04:10:00 lol Jul 21 04:10:21 halfhalo: somehow my public_html folder got wiped... Jul 21 04:11:52 hah Jul 21 04:11:56 yeah.. :/ Jul 21 04:12:03 lost all my forum and posts Jul 21 04:15:55 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/288982-sprint-says-rooting-voids-warranty.html Jul 21 04:15:56 :O Jul 21 04:16:17 well who broke it Jul 21 04:16:27 PatrickC, is your Pre2 ready? Jul 21 04:16:36 NuttyBunny: nope Jul 21 04:16:49 parents said I have to wait a while before I do it.. :/ Jul 21 04:16:57 dwc-: broke what? Jul 21 04:17:05 * NuttyBunny fixed Baby Pre yesterday in less than 30 minutes Jul 21 04:17:36 I told 'em it would take 30 min... they still said wait :/ Jul 21 04:17:38 what!? why do you have to wait a while Jul 21 04:17:53 grow up so you don't have to listen to them! Jul 21 04:17:55 till he finishes school Jul 21 04:17:58 your website Jul 21 04:18:12 dwc-: me.. I installed something to root Jul 21 04:18:17 then uninstalled it... Jul 21 04:18:23 it wiped it after uninstall Jul 21 04:22:57 PatrickC get a touchpad? Jul 21 04:23:25 k im gonna go lie down.. have good night guys Jul 21 04:23:27 CTLAdvance: still haven't heard from 'em Jul 21 04:23:51 oy dont worry, unless your buying they arent shipping loaners yet Jul 21 04:23:53 tomorrow will be 12 business days... Jul 21 04:23:58 I'm buying Jul 21 04:25:20 nice, if I buy one, it will need to be 4G Jul 21 04:25:26 well 3.5gs Jul 21 04:25:48 I don't need a 4G one Jul 21 04:25:58 I always have FreeTether when needed Jul 21 04:26:20 and I can just piggyback off blue tooth freeTether while its connected for text/calls Jul 21 04:26:34 * halfhalo wants 4G Jul 21 04:26:39 I can tether my iphone... but just easier to have it built in... Jul 21 04:27:02 I'll already have it connected via bluetooth Jul 21 04:27:11 so why not pass internet if needed Jul 21 04:27:54 makes sense... Jul 21 04:28:32 Gotta go.. c-ya!! Jul 21 04:28:42 cya NuttyBunny Jul 21 04:30:27 Sprint: HP IS NOT PALM, THEY ARE LARGE AND WELL CAPITALIZED - THIS IS ONE BRUNETTE YOU WANT TO GET INTO BED WITH IF YOU CAN, STUPID!!! Jul 21 04:30:28 haha Jul 21 04:30:52 /via PreCentral comments Jul 21 04:33:15 I dont think they will pick webOS back up until they can easily move alot of devices Jul 21 04:33:22 or they get something that isnt a pre Jul 21 04:34:15 less cdma, more unlocked gsm! Jul 21 04:34:42 except GSM is horrible with call quality on anything but a perfect signal.... Jul 21 04:34:49 shhhh Jul 21 04:34:55 lets have more 4g networks and more voip solutions Jul 21 04:35:15 less legacy networks Jul 21 04:35:47 CTLAdvance: are you basing your judgement of GSM on a world-wide experience, or just local US GSM carriers? Jul 21 04:35:55 global Jul 21 04:36:03 US, UK, Germany Jul 21 04:36:09 not global Jul 21 04:36:12 several places Jul 21 04:36:15 but not only us Jul 21 04:36:25 though cdma doesnt really exist outside of the us Jul 21 04:36:38 plenty of cdma in Japan Jul 21 04:37:03 japan's cdma is different though Jul 21 04:37:19 or maybe us's cdma is different ;) Jul 21 04:37:20 though I switched from cdma to gsm... Jul 21 04:37:41 they both are Jul 21 04:38:06 although since cdma was invented in the US you can probably say that others are the ones that are different :) Jul 21 04:39:03 I'm so sick of watching 'df' being run on each of my apps every time I restart LunaSysMgr on the TouchPad. Minutes of wasted effort and poor customer experience every time. Jul 21 04:39:15 s/'df'/'du'/ Jul 21 04:41:00 oh and canada Jul 21 04:41:05 :) not that it matters Jul 21 04:41:28 df on every app on every startup? - what the fsck? Jul 21 04:41:56 rwhitby: any idea why they choose to run du every time on every app ? Jul 21 04:42:15 manifest files Jul 21 04:42:24 they aren't cached ? Jul 21 04:42:28 so they can show you the app size in the software manager Jul 21 04:43:25 ummm ... don't you need to only do that if you, like, update the app? Jul 21 04:44:10 ugg.. how do you force webos to download a file, instead of open it Jul 21 04:44:17 is wget the only way? Jul 21 04:45:00 bartholemew: yep, but they choose to do it on each boot Jul 21 04:45:02 oh, wait ... i guess it depends on how much new data the app stores in its sandbox with time and usage ... Jul 21 04:45:03 can't they just use the size from the .control files? Jul 21 04:45:07 maybe? Jul 21 04:46:31 so that software manager tells you how much space you could free up if you blew away the app plus its databases? Jul 21 04:49:20 time to do Villo in my app Jul 21 04:53:46 a bicycle rental program from brussels Jul 21 04:53:46 ? Jul 21 04:54:41 huh? Jul 21 04:56:08 the bike rental program comes up in a google search for villo Jul 21 04:56:14 but that's not it. ;) Jul 21 04:56:28 haha Jul 21 04:56:31 :) Jul 21 04:56:33 http://villo.me Jul 21 04:56:49 yep I know of this Jul 21 04:56:53 Kesne's project Jul 21 04:56:59 or at least I think it was Jul 21 04:57:11 its powered by Webos world Jul 21 04:57:13 iirc Jul 21 04:59:15 can we look forward to villo supporting some touch to share voodoo someday? Jul 21 04:59:55 possibly Jul 21 05:00:18 like grabbing your app state off your touchpad and taking in on your pre3? Jul 21 05:01:58 good idea Jul 21 05:02:01 tweet 'em Jul 21 05:09:25 g.evening folks Jul 21 05:10:24 hey Jul 21 05:13:23 sup PatrickC Jul 21 05:13:30 you want a free paid app? Jul 21 05:13:32 trying to integrate Villo Jul 21 05:13:35 yeah Jul 21 05:13:36 sure Jul 21 05:16:05 PatrickC: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?promocode=06599d4e-3852-4212-a198-e710e097251b it might work now Jul 21 05:16:58 thx Jul 21 05:21:55 did it work? Jul 21 05:22:21 yep Jul 21 05:22:30 ugg.. anyone use Villo in here? Jul 21 05:23:04 not yet Jul 21 05:24:03 integrate villo with what? Jul 21 05:24:22 * dwc- points at fxspec06 Jul 21 05:25:01 he's not here Jul 21 05:25:05 LoneStar: with an app Jul 21 05:25:25 dunno, he was Jul 21 05:25:30 I saw him kick you Jul 21 05:25:39 he left Jul 21 05:25:48 went to bed.. like normal people :) Jul 21 05:26:44 yeap Jul 21 05:26:49 oh, he's another one of those right coast people Jul 21 05:27:02 lol Jul 21 05:27:06 I'm in the middle Jul 21 05:27:28 CST Jul 21 05:27:31 CDT* Jul 21 05:28:34 ugg.. what's the switch for chrome? Jul 21 05:28:42 --allow-file-access-from-files? Jul 21 05:32:05 yep Jul 21 05:34:45 now to just get Villo working Jul 21 05:52:39 hey dkirker Jul 21 05:52:52 * halfhalo hides the goods Jul 21 05:52:56 hi PatrickC! Jul 21 05:53:06 halfhalo: Too late, I already know where they are. :P Jul 21 05:53:14 ugg... I cannot get villo to work :/ Jul 21 05:53:17 lies! Jul 21 05:55:05 * PatrickC thinks villo hates me Jul 21 05:57:20 I've always found that computers, languages and APIs are usually quite objective and unemotional about how they interact with users. Jul 21 05:58:15 I don't know. I have seen some APIs that have been very vocal against the way that I use them... Jul 21 05:58:23 rwhitby: I can't even get the villo.init to work Jul 21 05:58:35 keeps erroring and saying 'villo is not defined' Jul 21 05:58:39 dkirker: perhaps it's not the API ;) Jul 21 05:59:04 PatrickC: ? Jul 21 05:59:08 is this in JS? Jul 21 05:59:14 yep Jul 21 05:59:21 http://dev.villo.me Jul 21 06:00:21 I am assuming that "init" is a function, and what you mean to do is: var myVillo = new Villo(): Jul 21 06:00:26 I am waiting for an api to come out with an error message that returns "aww hell no" when you try to access restricted files. Jul 21 06:00:37 or, rather: new villo() Jul 21 06:00:57 with a semi-colon at the end and not a colon... Jul 21 06:01:10 geeze... I am way too tired... Jul 21 06:01:26 lol Jul 21 06:01:38 I contacted villo (2 ways) waiting for a response Jul 21 06:01:43 they say to use villo.init Jul 21 06:01:45 actually, it has just been a long week Jul 21 06:01:50 villo.init({ "api": "apikey", "type": "mobile", "pubnub": true }); Jul 21 06:24:19 to log something in enyo you use: Jul 21 06:24:34 this.log("contents to" + "log"), Jul 21 06:24:36 correct? Jul 21 06:36:15 well.. got the errors to go away Jul 21 06:36:46 will fix the rest later Jul 21 06:52:15 morning folks Jul 21 06:52:35 hey Jul 21 06:53:36 u still awake? Jul 21 06:54:03 yeppers Jul 21 06:54:30 oh boy! I should go to bed, like NOW Jul 21 06:54:35 there's a workshop at 9a... Jul 21 06:55:02 dkirker: at HP? Jul 21 06:55:06 yes Jul 21 06:56:33 dkirker: its been 12 days since I got the first email about dev discount.. should I be worried? Jul 21 06:56:41 no Jul 21 06:56:44 or are they taking it to the full 15 days? :) Jul 21 06:57:09 We're likely very busy trying to process all of the requests. Jul 21 06:57:29 My advice in situations like these is to check in every two weeks. Jul 21 06:57:34 dkirker: what type of webos workshop? enyo? Jul 21 06:58:16 LoneStar99: I believe that is what they are. Jul 21 06:58:26 dkirker: I emailed within 1 hr of the discounts being announced, just figured I would have been among the first to get a response :) Jul 21 06:59:29 PatrickC: Sorry Patrick, I am not entirely sure how the coupon program works. That is handled by a different team, so I can't really tell you what is up. All I can suggest is checking in and being patient. Jul 21 06:59:43 ok Jul 21 06:59:44 thx Jul 21 07:01:48 madnificent!!! Jul 21 07:02:27 rock the house Jul 21 07:07:54 Adora!! hey! Jul 21 07:07:54 Adora!!!!!!! =>.<= Jul 21 07:08:07 beat'cha dkirker :P Jul 21 07:08:35 ah, the smiley I was looking for: =^.^= Jul 21 07:08:46 PatrickC: Yours doesn't have a kitten smiley. :) Jul 21 07:08:55 lol Jul 21 07:10:12 * PatrickC is off to bed Jul 21 07:10:17 good night Jul 21 07:10:19 night dkirker, and Adora Jul 21 07:10:25 PatrickC: I want to see more apps!!! Jul 21 07:10:36 Pronto! <3 :) Jul 21 07:10:38 working on it! :) Jul 21 07:10:44 :D Jul 21 07:10:52 ones in active development as we speak :) Jul 21 07:10:57 worked on it some tonight Jul 21 07:11:27 night Jul 21 07:11:33 night Jul 21 07:11:39 hi hotdp! Jul 21 07:11:44 * dkirker is app hungry tonight Jul 21 07:11:52 Hey dkirker Jul 21 07:12:11 dkirker: want my app? Jul 21 07:12:16 * hotdp need coffee before he can start code Jul 21 07:12:24 I can send it your way :) (in a .tgz) Jul 21 07:12:34 PatrickC: I'd be interested to see what it does. first.last _at_ palm Jul 21 07:12:37 hotdp: coffee... at 2AM?! lol Jul 21 07:12:41 ok Jul 21 07:12:52 Its morning Jul 21 07:12:59 a .tgz is ok? you'll have to compile it Jul 21 07:12:59 Has just arrived at work ;) Jul 21 07:13:03 don't have the ipk handy Jul 21 07:13:14 PatrickC: Do you have an IPK for me? Please. :) Jul 21 07:13:15 ah Jul 21 07:13:22 how easy is it to complie? Jul 21 07:13:29 PDK? Enyo? Jul 21 07:13:30 palm-package :) Jul 21 07:13:33 Enyo Jul 21 07:13:38 ah, well ok Jul 21 07:13:48 I can send you a previous IPK Jul 21 07:13:55 0.0.4 I'm up to 0.0.5 now Jul 21 07:14:05 I have 0.0.4 in an IPK.. Jul 21 07:14:09 dkirker: u can get all apps free is that right? Jul 21 07:14:16 but 0.0.5 is only .tgz atm Jul 21 07:15:31 LoneStar99: Free? In what way? I test them, ya. Though I pay for the ones that I use on my personal TouchPad. So, no. I can't. Jul 21 07:15:44 Plus, I LOVE supporting developers. :D Jul 21 07:16:54 dkirker: mobile app though http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?promocode=25168bb7-70ca-470a-9acb-6c1aa6bfd3db Jul 21 07:17:35 Ooo, I recognize this icon! Jul 21 07:19:03 man.. now to remember the tar cmd :P Jul 21 07:19:03 which icon? Jul 21 07:19:15 The Drop icon. Jul 21 07:21:15 dkri Jul 21 07:22:17 dkirker: there is a touchpad version, just do not have promo codes yet perhaps in a few days, barely made it into the app cat today Jul 21 07:22:34 Ah! I think that is the one that I have seen. Jul 21 07:24:55 Is there any in here with the name "Travis" ? Jul 21 07:25:10 dkirker: just sent Jul 21 07:25:18 lemme know if it launches.. Jul 21 07:25:25 then I'll go to bed :) Jul 21 07:25:35 travis is at the bar Jul 21 07:25:36 lol Jul 21 07:26:47 PatrickC: I can't look at it tonight. Not sure when I'll be able to poke at it (maybe Friday?). But I'll take some look at it. IPK makes it easier. :) Jul 21 07:27:11 ok :) Jul 21 07:27:23 I can shoot you a previous version as an ipk if needed Jul 21 07:27:27 well got a 2 rating for TouchPad version, =) atleast someone has bought it Jul 21 07:27:45 you can take it straight from a .tar to a working app all on-device though Jul 21 07:27:56 just takes a few extra steps :) Jul 21 07:30:08 dkirker: just sent you 0.0.4 as an ipk Jul 21 07:30:14 yay! Jul 21 07:30:18 Thanks! Jul 21 07:30:23 there is not much change between 0.0.4 and 0.0.5 Jul 21 07:30:50 just a scene, and some Villo (that doesn't work properly) Jul 21 07:30:56 and np :) Jul 21 07:31:12 you can play, tweak, do anything you want to it Jul 21 07:31:26 it is open source.. (just don't know what license I'll use yet) Jul 21 07:32:00 ok, I'll play tomorrow evening. Jul 21 07:32:05 and with that, I'm off to bed Jul 21 07:32:23 dkirker: email me what ya think whenever you get a chance :) Jul 21 07:32:34 thanks again! Jul 21 07:32:34 Sure! Jul 21 07:35:53 PatrickC: !!! Jul 21 08:39:36 morning Jul 21 08:39:46 'morning swisstomcat! Jul 21 08:39:52 morning dkirker Jul 21 08:40:24 Welcome swisstomcat Jul 21 08:40:45 hi hotdp Jul 21 08:49:03 Good night #webOS ! Jul 21 08:50:49 night Jul 21 08:52:42 byebye dkirker Jul 21 08:59:38 swisstomcat: how is the little one? Jul 21 09:17:11 hotdp: which one? :) Jul 21 09:27:19 the newest Jul 21 09:31:47 growing fast Jul 21 09:31:59 Good Jul 21 09:32:00 :) Jul 21 09:54:57 any one know how to display sqlite db in virtuallist? Jul 21 10:06:18 hi all Jul 21 12:09:39 Is there any way that an app can install fonts into devices fonts folder? Jul 21 12:15:54 Hey guys Jul 21 12:16:04 I want some hrlp Jul 21 12:16:07 help Jul 21 12:17:34 Hi Jul 21 12:22:31 Hey there Jul 21 12:33:51 romos: sorry, I don't know Jul 21 12:34:06 romos: looks like it's a slow news day. have a little patience Jul 21 12:34:18 yes.. things are kind of silent here :( Jul 21 12:48:35 oh wow app updates get approved wayyyy faster than the originals Jul 21 12:54:59 just don't ever cancel one Jul 21 12:55:23 it's faster to push a newer update Jul 21 12:57:18 fxspec06: so the bug is gone? Jul 21 13:27:02 yep the bug is gone Jul 21 13:27:19 Loudergood: thanks! good advice Jul 21 13:58:58 morning all Jul 21 13:59:04 good morning PatrickC Jul 21 13:59:05 fxspec06: what's up? Jul 21 13:59:13 hey hotdp Jul 21 14:01:40 fxspec06: Good sales so far? Jul 21 14:02:43 i dunno! i can't see any! Jul 21 14:02:55 it says zero. which i know for a fact is incorrect Jul 21 14:04:20 oh that's because it doesn't update until the payment is approved from the credit card company Jul 21 14:05:52 sorry Jul 21 14:06:02 hate when it does that.. wirc crashed Jul 21 14:06:07 you better be sorry Jul 21 14:06:12 lol Jul 21 14:06:28 fxspec06: I'm integrating villo into my app Jul 21 14:06:34 :O no way! Jul 21 14:06:48 yeppers Jul 21 14:06:57 you better not use my skylounge and oceanlounge Jul 21 14:07:21 or wayne brady might have to choke-a-bitch Jul 21 14:07:29 haha Jul 21 14:07:40 I need to get it to login first :P Jul 21 14:08:02 just use the villo demo app Jul 21 14:08:44 huh? Jul 21 14:08:46 where?! Jul 21 14:09:57 noah sent me a demo app =) Jul 21 14:10:21 ask him to send it to me! :) Jul 21 14:10:30 no you ask him! Jul 21 14:10:41 I don't have his email :/ Jul 21 14:10:51 tweet him Jul 21 14:10:55 @villoservices Jul 21 14:11:10 be like Jul 21 14:11:19 hey i need an example of how to use this in a program Jul 21 14:11:47 I just sent him a DM Jul 21 14:11:51 he said to Jul 21 14:11:56 or you can always take apart the webos world app Jul 21 14:12:03 I asked for extra examples/documentation Jul 21 14:12:06 that works the same way Jul 21 14:12:10 webos world isn't in enyo Jul 21 14:12:18 oh enyo Jul 21 14:12:28 yep Jul 21 14:12:33 in YourRadio :) Jul 21 14:12:35 well then, you can talk to jake. but he may be busy doing something else Jul 21 14:12:43 and he's not online Jul 21 14:12:50 hmm... ok Jul 21 14:13:07 I still sent the DM Jul 21 14:14:56 morning, what you all need in enyo? Jul 21 14:15:02 what parts you having problems with? Jul 21 14:15:23 hey lonestar, i got your promo code and gave it 5*'s! Jul 21 14:16:55 fxspec06: login mainly Jul 21 14:17:03 LoneStar99: Villo Jul 21 14:17:56 oh right on, will check out villo later, saw the website not to long ago Jul 21 14:20:27 Villo is nice Jul 21 14:21:02 fxspec06: they have an official enyo app Jul 21 14:21:07 they'll send it tonight Jul 21 14:24:29 I gotta add Villo into my app too Jul 21 14:25:33 twbbas: http://dev.villo.me Jul 21 14:26:10 Yeah I have an account Jul 21 14:28:06 lol i know they have an official enyo app. Jul 21 14:29:02 woopwoop Jul 21 14:29:32 LoneStar99: Happen to have a code for Drop XL? My credit card isn't working on my phone. Jul 21 14:29:39 (and I need a credit card to use the promo) Jul 21 14:32:34 what is villo, exactly? Jul 21 14:33:09 Cloud storage for apps, chat, gifts... When you make a Villo account you just have to have 1 account for each app that uses Villo Jul 21 14:33:23 twbbas: for touchpad or mojo devices? Jul 21 14:33:33 TouchPad Jul 21 14:33:46 summatusmentis: http://webosworld.com/villo-services/ Jul 21 14:34:14 oh, interesting Jul 21 14:34:44 twbbas: no promo code for TP version yet, will provide you one as soon as i set them up. Jul 21 14:35:03 LoneStar99: Sounds good. Thanks Jul 21 14:35:28 screwed up with mojo version produced 100 different codes for same app... Jul 21 14:35:57 sorry 100 different promo codes Jul 21 14:36:00 PatrickC, fxspec06: Villo.js has been updated on the server Jul 21 14:36:09 need to get rid of them... Jul 21 14:36:09 @VilloServices just sent out a tweet Jul 21 14:36:23 Promoroundup! Jul 21 14:39:43 twbbas: yeah them up with an email yesterday, but it seems there promo code section is not updated to often, last entries 07072011 Jul 21 14:40:00 oh Jul 21 14:40:43 i already fixed that myself lol Jul 21 14:41:19 lazy jerks. should have been fixed last week Jul 21 15:02:41 * halfhalo yawns Jul 21 15:02:46 hola roy-pre101 Jul 21 15:02:56 fxspec06: what should have been fixed? Jul 21 15:03:00 hello roy-pre101 Jul 21 15:03:36 Hallo Jul 21 15:04:06 roy-pre101: want to come on an awesome hunt-people-down-and-say-hi adventure with me today? Jul 21 15:05:45 sounds like an adventure Jul 21 15:06:41 android tablets with 30% of market... do not even know of one android tablet... Jul 21 15:07:20 halfhalo: Um, sure. Jul 21 15:11:23 hehe, cool Jul 21 15:11:29 * halfhalo is off to work right now Jul 21 15:17:12 heyho Jul 21 15:17:18 can i run the emulator in vbox headless mode? Jul 21 15:17:34 running the sdk on an ec2 instance and i really don't want to bother with that Jul 21 15:29:07 fxspec06: what was the issue? Jul 21 15:33:21 hm what? Jul 21 15:33:31 oh the registration Jul 21 15:33:32 in villo Jul 21 15:33:37 ah Jul 21 15:33:39 it wasn't working for me Jul 21 15:34:01 for like since i put it in until jake told me on sunday. lol Jul 21 15:34:09 lol Jul 21 15:34:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9Q4mLh2v4 Jul 21 15:35:20 I still want to add my OWN launcher pages Jul 21 15:35:26 :-/ Jul 21 15:35:52 IGNTNUNLMTD: check twitter Jul 21 15:35:54 fxspec06: haha Jul 21 15:36:04 that's so epic Jul 21 15:36:14 you can't do much on that screen Jul 21 15:36:41 ...I know about the Preware utility; that adds two that are not configureable. Jul 21 15:54:31 IGNT: rod sayd he was working on that last night Jul 21 15:54:37 at like, 12:30a Jul 21 15:54:40 EST Jul 21 15:57:39 what have I done... Jul 21 15:57:40 lol Jul 21 15:58:13 PatrickC what have you done Jul 21 15:58:25 ^ that.. :P Jul 21 16:00:20 PatrickC no idea what you talking about Jul 21 16:00:29 haha Jul 21 16:00:56 i wish windows search worked more like spotlight. Jul 21 16:01:06 that's the one thing i REALLLLLLY miss from mac days. Jul 21 16:01:23 * PatrickC wishes he had mac days Jul 21 16:01:35 * halfhalo-work laughs Jul 21 16:01:47 fxspec06: I use "Everything Search" Jul 21 16:01:49 fxspec06: it does for most what matters Jul 21 16:01:53 eg. launching apps :P Jul 21 16:02:20 true, it does launch apps. but like if i want to search the whole OS quick it fails Jul 21 16:02:28 Get "Everything" Jul 21 16:02:38 twbbas: i'll look at it thanks Jul 21 16:02:39 It's instant search. Filters as you type Jul 21 16:02:50 It works decently if you have indexing enabled Jul 21 16:02:57 Although I suppose it could be better Jul 21 16:02:57 (which I do) Jul 21 16:03:13 Then again, I have like 1,5 TB of stuff which might affect the speed vs. maybe a 100 gb or something on my macbook... Jul 21 16:03:16 :D Jul 21 16:03:26 I have about 300GB and it works fine Jul 21 16:03:29 instant Jul 21 16:03:42 This everything thing or windows search? Jul 21 16:03:46 everything Jul 21 16:03:51 I see Jul 21 16:03:55 Maybe I'll try it too Jul 21 16:03:59 It should only really affect how long it takes to get indexed Jul 21 16:04:13 Though it would be nice to just use the search box in the start menu for that, doubt it can plug into it Jul 21 16:04:24 Doubt it but I just put it in my taskbar Jul 21 16:04:27 next to the time Jul 21 16:04:37 yeah start menu should be exactly like spotlight Jul 21 16:04:44 Double click -> start typing -> BOOM Jul 21 16:05:15 Althought, it doesn't search INSIDE files so I use google desktop search for that Jul 21 16:05:21 although* Jul 21 16:05:28 The windows search works almost like that for me Jul 21 16:05:46 It just a bit slow at first because I have many disks and some of them go into "sleep" when not used so they take a moment to spin up Jul 21 16:05:46 yeah i'm liking this everything search Jul 21 16:06:05 Google desktop search + everything is a good combo for searching files Jul 21 16:06:15 double press ctrl and google desktop pops up Jul 21 16:06:21 fxspec06: That's good re: the Launchah :-P Jul 21 16:07:17 Hmh, I wonder how long Palm generally takes to respond to emails.. Jul 21 16:07:40 Some emails they respond within 30 mins to me, others they don't respond to Jul 21 16:07:52 Mine must be in the latter category then :x Jul 21 16:07:54 Been a few days Jul 21 16:08:03 I still have yet to figure out my belt color. Emailed twice about it (no response), tweeted Richard Kerris a week ago (no response) Jul 21 16:08:16 Your... belt color? Jul 21 16:08:21 The new dev program? Jul 21 16:08:25 twbbas: they are being slammed by those Jul 21 16:08:28 twbbas: I have no idea about that :D Jul 21 16:08:36 They need to just put it in the portal Jul 21 16:08:38 oh right, was it that thing where you'd get different "perks" Jul 21 16:08:43 zomg: Yup Jul 21 16:09:05 I don't know which of my apps are "qualifying apps Jul 21 16:09:15 I mailed them if I really need to fill those silly IRS papers to be approved as a dev... Jul 21 16:09:20 If most of mine are, then I'm the middle belt (except for webOS workshop) Jul 21 16:09:37 scribblemp Jul 21 16:09:43 zomg: What IRS papers? We just put down 1 of our social security numbers Jul 21 16:10:03 ohohohohohoh… theres a dev event today! Jul 21 16:10:12 I'm willing to be that "qualifying apps" was put in to deal with companies like appible Jul 21 16:10:15 twbbas: The sign up process told me I need some tax number ID thingy and then some other thingy as proof of that or something.. don't live in the states. Jul 21 16:10:26 has anyone tried scribblemp between webos and ios devices? Jul 21 16:10:33 Ah, we're in the States so I don't know about other countries Jul 21 16:10:37 Which seems odd since I signed up for Apple's dev program just fine, and I've worked with american clients just fine, without ever sending anything there Jul 21 16:10:40 twbbas: he's a foreigner, he doesn't have a SS# Jul 21 16:10:53 * halfhalo-work goes to wander over to see what people are doing Jul 21 16:11:20 It's prob going to take like a month for them to even approve the tax ID paper, assuming I can figure out what I'm supposed to put on it... Jul 21 16:11:27 ugh. Whenever I turn my head to the right (to look at my second monitor) my neck has a sharp pain... slept on it funny last night :( Jul 21 16:11:36 which is why I wanted to be sure I really do need it since it seems a pain in the ass for just publishing one app I wrote for fun :P Jul 21 16:11:54 zomg: Yeah. If you want to give it out for free, you could submit it to Preware Jul 21 16:12:02 while your dev account gets approved Jul 21 16:12:12 I might if the account process seems like too much of a PITA Jul 21 16:12:24 I was thinking of charging maybe a dollar or two but we'll see Jul 21 16:12:33 What's the app do? Jul 21 16:12:56 Japanese kanji study assistant, flashcard and spaced repetition tests and stuff like that Jul 21 16:13:16 Is that a language? Jul 21 16:13:24 Japanese is a language =) Jul 21 16:13:32 no I meant "kanji" Jul 21 16:13:32 or is it.... Jul 21 16:13:33 lol Jul 21 16:13:33 Kanji are chinese characters used in their writing system Jul 21 16:13:37 oh ok Jul 21 16:13:44 Sounds interesting Jul 21 16:13:52 Sounds difficult ;) Jul 21 16:13:59 yeah that too Jul 21 16:24:00 it works Jul 21 16:24:13 scribblemp is awesome Jul 21 16:30:21 chuqui! good morning to ya! Jul 21 16:30:32 good morning! Jul 21 16:33:34 anyone needing promo code for my mojo app --> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-app-promo-codes/289035-drop-1-0-0-75-more-promo-codes.html Jul 21 16:33:48 chuqui: you having to deal with the tp dev event today? Jul 21 16:34:07 will release TP enyo version promo codes soon... Jul 21 16:36:33 halfhalo-work: not directly, but I try to get over to those and say hi at some point. Jul 21 16:36:34 ok i am over it, installing 37 win7 updates... no shit resarting to now about 1 hour... Jul 21 16:37:43 chuqui: ah. yeah, i'm thinking about wandering over there and seeing whats going on later. Jul 21 16:42:37 installing updates 35 of 37... Jul 21 16:49:36 Http://j.mp/nnBN2F Jul 21 16:49:51 Touchpad commercial spoof on Leno Jul 21 16:52:33 twbbas-touchpad: 404 Jul 21 16:52:53 Yeah, http://www.hulu.com/watch/260191/the-tonight-show-with-jay-leno-hp-touchpad-commercial Jul 21 16:54:28 loll Jul 21 16:54:33 i love jay leno Jul 21 16:55:04 Lol Jul 21 16:57:40 * PatrickC wanders by Jul 21 16:58:11 * ctladvance waves at PatrickC Jul 21 16:59:51 * fxspec06 waves at PatrickC Jul 21 16:59:57 hey Jul 21 17:00:07 what's up Jul 21 17:00:20 Hey Jul 21 17:00:34 playing fb games Jul 21 17:00:52 that sounds productive Jul 21 17:01:21 yep Jul 21 17:01:51 i'm being lazy Jul 21 17:01:53 all week long. Jul 21 17:02:06 lol Jul 21 17:02:23 as a matter of fact i'm done being lazy over here. i'm gonna go be lazy over there Jul 21 17:02:27 fxspec06: you on fb? Jul 21 17:02:32 lol ya Jul 21 17:02:42 you in the fb group? Jul 21 17:02:47 what fb group Jul 21 17:02:56 webos devs and friends Jul 21 17:03:10 there's a group for that? Jul 21 17:03:23 yeppers Jul 21 17:03:41 i thought groups were only for girls who wanted to let people know how they feel without actually saying it themselves Jul 21 17:03:57 haha Jul 21 17:05:31 there's only 364 ppl in the group! Jul 21 17:05:38 i just requested to join Jul 21 17:07:32 i see a bunch of ppl i seen elsewhere Jul 21 17:11:31 * PatrickC is in there Jul 21 17:14:48 some people with experience in video streaming with webos here? Jul 21 17:14:59 Adora!! Jul 21 17:15:58 Hey Adora! Jul 21 17:16:09 ctladvance: any more news? Jul 21 17:16:47 I emailed them again today, I don't know how hard it is to send a tp to the devs ;) Jul 21 17:18:51 lol Jul 21 17:19:03 or how hard it is to send 'em a simple coupon ;) Jul 21 17:20:38 Adora! did you try out my game yet =p Jul 21 17:22:16 p.s. it's called Wild'n Video Poker for WebOS, feel free to tweet it Jul 21 17:23:31 and here is the link in case you are lazy today http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.fxspec.wildnpoker Jul 21 17:36:11 aww darn Jul 21 17:36:13 i hate paid apps Jul 21 17:39:13 woo! Jul 21 17:39:21 TouchPad on Jimmy Fallon AND Leno in the same night?!?! Jul 21 17:39:52 http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/blogs/2011/07/jimmy-talks-up-the-hp-touch/ Jul 21 17:39:59 http://www.hulu.com/watch/260191/the-tonight-show-with-jay-leno-hp-touchpad-commercial Jul 21 17:40:44 woooooooooooo! Jul 21 17:41:09 more publicity = more famous Jul 21 17:41:16 = more people buying our apps Jul 21 17:41:23 yayy Jul 21 17:41:24 lol Jul 21 17:41:49 nice =) Jul 21 17:42:16 can't watch hulu, Jul 21 17:42:37 :D Jul 21 17:42:42 that was a good one from jimmy fallon Jul 21 17:42:51 yeah Jul 21 17:43:22 Jay Leno was just mocking the Murdoch scandal using the Manny TouchPad commercial as the basis lol Jul 21 17:43:44 lol Jul 21 17:44:02 ok cool Jul 21 17:45:02 "They said I wouldn't leave China, but I did. They said I wouldn't graduate from Yale, but I did. They said I couldn't fight above my weight class... but I did. I'm Rupert Murdoch's wife... and I could kick your ass" Jul 21 17:45:15 lol Jul 21 17:48:52 i don't want the touchpad anymore if jay leno likes it Jul 21 17:58:11 still wonder why i did not get an HP payment yesterday if my June sales where $100+ Jul 21 17:58:20 ... Jul 21 17:58:38 chuqui: are you there? Jul 21 18:01:44 nope. I'm on vacation in haiti Jul 21 18:03:13 right on, say hello to Wyclef Jean for me =) Jul 21 18:03:48 chuqui: june payments are paid in July or August? Jul 21 18:04:36 june sales come out in, um... august. I think. Jul 21 18:05:31 oh ok that seems right... then i don't deserve no cash until next month =( Jul 21 18:06:35 do you only get paid after you reach $100? like is it the first $100 or every $100? Jul 21 18:07:59 i thought it was every $100 or accumulation of months to equal $100 Jul 21 18:08:22 but got a 25Euro payment last month Jul 21 18:08:55 i was pretty sure when i read that you would get paid for every single sale AFTER your total app sales had accumulated at least $100 Jul 21 18:09:02 no matter what Jul 21 18:11:27 here is a question Jul 21 18:11:40 anyone tested an instore demo touchpad? Jul 21 18:12:16 fxspec06: not sure, i guess it is time to wait till next month Jul 21 18:15:49 Draecos: I haven't, but I'd love to Jul 21 18:16:20 I would probably buy my game and put it on there for a demo Jul 21 18:16:29 june payment is in july Jul 21 18:16:57 and its every $100 Jul 21 18:17:10 i'm pretty sure on both Jul 21 18:18:56 hey chuqui Jul 21 18:19:33 PatrickC: yo? Jul 21 18:20:03 just sayin hi :) Jul 21 18:22:05 cool! Jul 21 18:22:48 * PatrickC can't wait to get his coupon :) Jul 21 18:23:00 its been 12 days.. Jul 21 18:24:20 pshhh Jul 21 18:24:25 I released a free webos weather app Jul 21 18:24:31 i should get something, since its free Jul 21 18:24:53 haha Jul 21 18:25:05 and it doesnt absolutely suck like the rest Jul 21 18:25:18 I have 2 (or is it 4) palm people in my beta :) Jul 21 18:25:23 matbee: what app? Jul 21 18:25:30 the weather outside Jul 21 18:25:32 haha Jul 21 18:25:35 lol Jul 21 18:25:36 leet name Jul 21 18:25:48 rather than the weather inside Jul 21 18:25:52 you shoulda named it like Jul 21 18:25:54 i could've just called it the weather Jul 21 18:25:57 the crazy weather Jul 21 18:26:20 or "WEATHER++++" Jul 21 18:26:23 like ebay ratings Jul 21 18:26:28 i'm gonna make a weather app Jul 21 18:26:31 and call it Jul 21 18:26:34 Weather App Jul 21 18:26:36 lol Jul 21 18:26:52 or call it something strange Jul 21 18:26:55 "pink" Jul 21 18:27:02 haha Jul 21 18:27:11 gonna call my app "webos app" Jul 21 18:27:17 :( Jul 21 18:27:20 how unoriginal lonestar Jul 21 18:27:24 lol Jul 21 18:27:25 LoneStar you should call it Jul 21 18:27:29 i am disappoint Jul 21 18:27:40 "webOS App #432052" Jul 21 18:27:47 lol Jul 21 18:28:34 or "The app" Jul 21 18:28:42 "a app" Jul 21 18:28:51 "The App that Nobody Likes" Jul 21 18:29:08 "that one app right thar" Jul 21 18:29:53 omg i should totally make an app that allows you to make records of every time you think your partner is cheating on you. Jul 21 18:30:56 "Napp" Jul 21 18:33:16 hahahaha Jul 21 18:33:23 fxspec06, have it hit a webservice Jul 21 18:33:34 and average out on a line graph how often people think their spouse is cheating Jul 21 18:33:57 nothing like preying on paranoia! Jul 21 18:33:59 working on "App #458987" will be 80% faster than "App #434090" but slower than "App #467901" Jul 21 18:34:09 hey when are new phones coming to webos Jul 21 18:34:17 Success, havent you heard? Jul 21 18:34:19 and why does blackberry rim seem so simular Jul 21 18:34:21 webos has been EOL'd Jul 21 18:34:24 matbee no Jul 21 18:34:25 eol? Jul 21 18:34:28 end of line Jul 21 18:34:29 yep the nail is in the coffin Jul 21 18:34:30 its over Jul 21 18:34:37 end of life, sorry Jul 21 18:34:39 webos is over? for real? Jul 21 18:34:41 yeah Jul 21 18:34:42 done Jul 21 18:34:44 its hell in here Jul 21 18:34:45 no more webos Jul 21 18:34:47 not funny Jul 21 18:34:51 no seriously Jul 21 18:34:57 but i liked it Jul 21 18:34:58 it was announced just now at an HP conference Jul 21 18:35:01 you guys should make webos free Jul 21 18:35:12 not propietary then ppl would use it Jul 21 18:35:13 message @webosdev on twitter Jul 21 18:35:16 fix up the sdk Jul 21 18:35:21 i dont have twitter Jul 21 18:35:22 ask them to rls webos from the grave Jul 21 18:35:41 https://twitter.com/#!/webosdev/status/94108772745740288 Jul 21 18:35:59 im sad now Jul 21 18:36:03 yeah Jul 21 18:36:06 us too Jul 21 18:36:10 the touchpad didnt sell, so they gave up Jul 21 18:36:19 ... Jul 21 18:36:20 palm employees are cleaning out their desks Jul 21 18:36:51 sorry bro Jul 21 18:37:23 all I know "Napp Version 19.6.7 running on webOS 15" will be killer Jul 21 18:37:30 lol Jul 21 18:37:43 lmao Jul 21 18:39:11 will webOS 2.0 be compatible with the pre1 Jul 21 18:40:25 it is now Jul 21 18:40:28 you can install webOS 2.1 on the Pre using MetaDoctor Jul 21 18:40:45 how do i do that? Jul 21 18:41:02 www.webosinternals.org Jul 21 18:41:13 you know you have to many test files when they are named --> "index.php | index_.php | index__.php | index.php | 1.php" true story Jul 21 18:41:20 webos had a short life Jul 21 18:41:38 do i need to type any coding to isntall 2.1? Jul 21 18:41:49 yes, but very little Jul 21 18:42:02 it's all in the wiki Jul 21 18:42:05 i have test.php | text.php | index.php | index1.php | index_.php | anothertest.php | test2.php | ++ Jul 21 18:42:09 LoneStar99: odd. mine are always foo, foo2, foo3, foo4..... Jul 21 18:42:10 webOS is now renamed nApp 4 Jul 21 18:42:15 is it hard to instal? Jul 21 18:42:18 ./scripts/meta-verizon-pre2-2.1.0 is about as complex as it gets Jul 21 18:42:37 ok Jul 21 18:42:56 can i install webos on my nuron Jul 21 18:43:12 i didn't think so. but then again i'm also a developer. but the general consensus from the forums at precentral is that it isn't very hard at all Jul 21 18:43:15 neuron? Jul 21 18:43:16 wait webos just changed the name? Jul 21 18:43:20 nokia nuron Jul 21 18:43:21 i dont think your neuron's are big enough Jul 21 18:44:33 Success: don't believe any of 'em :P Jul 21 18:44:52 i don't think i can use meta doctor cz im in the UK Jul 21 18:45:04 doesn't matter afaik Jul 21 18:45:05 is webos dead or renaming to napp4 Jul 21 18:45:10 CLU: i'm pretty sure it doesn't matter Jul 21 18:45:13 neither Jul 21 18:45:22 webos is alive and well Jul 21 18:45:23 webos is still alive? Jul 21 18:45:26 yes Jul 21 18:45:31 you guys told me its dead Jul 21 18:45:31 webos is dead Jul 21 18:45:43 now getting code from "index_.php" and pasting to "index2.php" b/c code in "index.php" was just plain wrong... Jul 21 18:45:44 haha Jul 21 18:45:44 ??? Jul 21 18:45:47 no Jul 21 18:45:50 it isn't dead Jul 21 18:45:56 chuqui will clear this up Jul 21 18:46:00 i made a twitter just to sayy not to kill it Jul 21 18:46:01 o well Jul 21 18:46:14 its AnnounceSuccess Jul 21 18:46:19 lol Jul 21 18:46:45 Announcement and Success were taken and i now think v9xx i stupid so i made it announcesuccess Jul 21 18:46:57 halfhalo-work: is webos dead? Jul 21 18:47:04 webOS --> renamed nApp 4 --> is now webOS 3 again. Jul 21 18:47:16 so it skipped a couple numbers Jul 21 18:47:26 lol.. umm.. no? Jul 21 18:47:52 we had webos 1.x.x, 2.x.x, and now 3.x.x Jul 21 18:47:53 iOS wheres the 4 come from Jul 21 18:48:14 4# Jul 21 18:48:16 4?* Jul 21 18:48:17 ?? Jul 21 18:48:28 nApp 4? where does that eeven come from Jul 21 18:48:29 what 4? Jul 21 18:48:35 * fxspec06 WEBOS IS DEAD Jul 21 18:48:35 its fake lol Jul 21 18:48:40 Enyo Q: Is it not possible to add a collection of images to imageView later? Jul 21 18:48:46 * fxspec06 WEBOS IS NOW nApp4 Jul 21 18:49:00 im confused Jul 21 18:49:07 guys forreal what is going on Jul 21 18:49:08 webos is alive Jul 21 18:49:16 that's all there is to it Jul 21 18:49:30 so where starting rumor for every1 else? ok i got it now Jul 21 18:49:51 Success don't listen to PatrickC he's not in the early access program Jul 21 18:49:58 webos is dead. d.e.a.d. Jul 21 18:50:01 * PatrickC might be Jul 21 18:50:06 but can't say ;) Jul 21 18:50:27 * Lumiere notes to stop feeding the trolls Jul 21 18:50:27 nApp 5 just released Jul 21 18:50:39 Lumiere: lol Jul 21 18:50:39 now you guys r screwing with me Jul 21 18:50:45 Life on webOS and webOS only - robbed of everything but my TouchPad Jul 21 18:50:57 and here I was thinking the robbers found the touchpad so revolting they didn't want it.... Jul 21 18:51:04 only thing that stiopped me from getting touchpad is no sd slot Jul 21 18:51:14 you get 50gb of box for free Jul 21 18:51:18 instead i got a archos7htv1 and it sucks Jul 21 18:51:29 lumier no u dont Jul 21 18:51:38 guys i just got an email telling me that my pre plus will soon recieve the nApp 5 update Jul 21 18:51:41 my touchpad says different Jul 21 18:52:00 so does every store that sels them in 50m radius Jul 21 18:52:06 and i live in houston so.. Jul 21 18:52:23 fxspec06: sweet, but that is so lame cuss nApp 6 was just released to carriers Jul 21 18:52:33 whats napp6 Jul 21 18:52:54 Success: umm.. yeah you do.. re: 50gb free Jul 21 18:53:02 nApp doesnt exist Jul 21 18:54:00 * PatrickC stops feeding the trolls Jul 21 18:54:05 Success: nApp6 derived from "new App # 646783" --> nApp6 for short Jul 21 18:54:05 LoneStar99: psh my buddy from verizon just called and said he's about to tweet nApp 7 preview Jul 21 18:54:34 fxspec06: sweet I am all about nApp7 Jul 21 18:54:35 whats the new App # 646783 Jul 21 18:54:52 are youu guys spamming app store Jul 21 18:55:01 im on 2u Jul 21 18:55:28 Success: it all came from "webOS App #432052" Jul 21 18:55:32 chuqui, Adora: please clear this up lol Jul 21 18:55:36 whats that Jul 21 18:55:45 that fxspec06 created Jul 21 18:55:47 98 Jul 21 18:55:51 PatrickC: Jul 21 18:55:51 Ouch buts Jul 21 18:55:56 bots* lol Jul 21 18:56:16 thx chuqui :) Jul 21 18:56:19 so there were mojo updates to the nda Jul 21 18:56:21 nay time... Jul 21 18:56:31 (gotta run... bac later) Jul 21 18:56:35 cya Jul 21 19:01:41 * fxspec06 's head hurts =( Jul 21 19:02:41 No on in here who have worked with images and enyo? Jul 21 19:02:56 hotdp: example? Jul 21 19:03:50 meh i say screw that and just make your own GUI Jul 21 19:03:59 IN the example there is allready added [] to the BasicImageView so you can go to the sides Jul 21 19:04:23 But i would like to add the images via a webservice call later Jul 21 19:04:36 but is like i can only setSrc and thats only for 1 picture? Jul 21 19:05:03 hotdp: i am sure you can dynamically change images... Jul 21 19:05:10 swipe left -> right to go back? Sounds oddly similar to something else.... http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/21/early-build-of-rims-android-app-player-for-the-playbook-now-available-thanks-to-leak/ Jul 21 19:06:12 err right -> left Jul 21 19:08:09 so there were mojo updates to the nda... but no doctors to use this new mojo update? Jul 21 19:08:17 that seems so damn silly Jul 21 19:09:46 i really dont want to download the VM image just do strip out mojo Jul 21 19:13:12 mojo updates? Jul 21 19:13:58 hey Jul 21 19:14:03 did everyone see this Jul 21 19:14:12 on top of the motorola droid 3 review........ Jul 21 19:14:13 http://ubuntuexperiment.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/sharing-folders-between-host-and-guest-os-in-virtualbox/ Jul 21 19:14:16 yep, I saw this Jul 21 19:14:25 there's clear ad for the HP TouchPad Jul 21 19:14:40 whoops http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/motorola-droid-3-review/ Jul 21 19:16:33 so there's the droid, the droid x, the droid 2, the droid 2x, the droid xl, the droid 2xl, the droid superhero htc sensation, and now the droid 3 Jul 21 19:16:49 fxspec06: Is it the banner ad at the top + the square ad to the right? Jul 21 19:16:59 what happened to R2-D2 Jul 21 19:17:04 I liked that droid Jul 21 19:17:31 i don't see the square ad to the right, but yes it's the banner ad at the top Jul 21 19:17:44 All I'm getting is the Sprint Android ad when I refresh Jul 21 19:17:46 tried like 5 times Jul 21 19:17:58 no it's on the phone itself Jul 21 19:18:06 oh, haha! Jul 21 19:18:07 Sweet! Jul 21 19:18:12 lol Jul 21 19:18:28 It's on like a bunch of photos Jul 21 19:18:30 of the Droid 3 Jul 21 19:18:50 yeah it is. and it's the only thing i can read Jul 21 19:25:52 PatrickC, yeah -- there were updates to mojo in the latest emulator image- - but no doctors for devices Jul 21 19:29:23 LoneStar99: i dont see a method :S Jul 21 19:32:38 I wonder why the Veer is flat refusing to display the H+ icon. I just speed tested at 8.90 megabits down, so clearly it is using it... Jul 21 19:52:14 hotdp: sorry was designing some logos... you want like foto gallery type thing? Jul 21 19:53:22 http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/browser_2011-22-07_052918.png <- Veer is a snappy little thing if you can get it on a good network. Just wondering why the H+ icon only seems to appear on AT&T from what I can see on the P|C forums. Jul 21 19:53:43 wow, my game uses up 78MB space in JSTop Jul 21 19:53:53 is that bad Jul 21 19:54:04 =O that's with all four stages open Jul 21 19:58:33 nvm, i guess that's the whole phone itself Jul 21 19:59:00 * oil was wondering where you were getting your per-app memory usage xD Jul 21 19:59:35 lol i wish i could find that Jul 21 19:59:54 alls i see is 'nodes' Jul 21 20:00:31 for which i have about 2600 Jul 21 20:00:32 and handles Jul 21 20:00:42 nodes are dom nodes Jul 21 20:00:51 basically, every
Jul 21 20:01:03 ohh i see. Jul 21 20:16:23 record memory before opening app Jul 21 20:16:27 record memory after opening app Jul 21 20:16:29 there you go :p Jul 21 20:19:06 hey Jul 21 20:27:34 ahh... all I have to do is wait for my email from villo.. Jul 21 20:28:24 i honestly dont even know what that does Jul 21 20:28:55 http://villo.me Jul 21 20:31:30 What a nice page they have Jul 21 20:31:46 Leaves room for imagination! Jul 21 20:32:57 yep Jul 21 20:33:04 big update is coming soon Jul 21 20:34:53 yeah i have an invite for there Jul 21 20:34:55 but im still lost Jul 21 20:35:17 Welcome to Villo, acidhax. Jul 21 20:35:17 As soon as the first Villo applications launch, you'll be able to manage your account here. Jul 21 20:35:24 lol? Jul 21 20:36:26 matbee_: you signed up? Jul 21 20:36:33 yeah Jul 21 20:36:43 because i was curious Jul 21 20:37:51 matbee: take a look at the webos world app Jul 21 20:37:58 wwa Jul 21 20:38:09 huh? Jul 21 20:38:14 webos world app Jul 21 20:38:16 wwa Jul 21 20:38:33 yeah Jul 21 20:38:35 lol Jul 21 20:38:40 webos world services? Jul 21 20:38:41 Hmm, I wonder if the webOS browser supports the HTML5 offline manifest thingy Jul 21 20:39:09 matbee_: yes Jul 21 20:39:48 \join jquery Jul 21 20:39:50 interesting Jul 21 20:40:24 nohorse: wrong way.. its / not \ Jul 21 20:40:34 lol right Jul 21 20:40:42 using new client Jul 21 20:40:58 lol Jul 21 20:41:05 matbee: its very nice Jul 21 20:41:26 hmmm Jul 21 20:41:31 i should integrate that into my new app Jul 21 20:41:34 could be interesting Jul 21 20:41:46 i wish that villo controlled in-app purchases :P Jul 21 20:41:52 then i wouldnt have to make it myself Jul 21 20:42:13 haha Jul 21 20:42:25 tweet 'em and ask them to add it to a future update Jul 21 20:45:22 wtf, what 20 something female doesnt like texting.. this girl is crazy Jul 21 20:45:58 haha Jul 21 20:46:43 I had the crazy idea of just putting my app up as a web app instead of a webOS app. Could just stick a paypal payment thinger at it and it would still work pretty much the same from the user's perspective Jul 21 20:47:03 Seeing that palm hasn't yet shown itself to be exactly very helpful in getting me going with the dev program Jul 21 20:47:25 unlike certain competitors with fruits in their logos, just for the sake of comparison =) Jul 21 20:47:35 zomg how are people gonna find it? Jul 21 20:47:40 there are no public feeds anymore Jul 21 20:48:18 Well since it's a tool for learning the language I could just market it on relevant websites Jul 21 20:48:34 *learning a language Jul 21 20:48:54 zomg: why not official app cat? Jul 21 20:49:07 Because so far it seems a huge pain in the ass =) Jul 21 20:49:13 We'll see if palm ever bothers replying to my email Jul 21 20:49:36 web app -> phone gap -> app catalog Jul 21 20:50:15 web app -> offline storage -> phone app Jul 21 20:50:39 Assuming I could fit all the relevant data into offline storage... but offline web apps work on iOS at least Jul 21 20:51:01 offline web app, meaning offline html pages? Jul 21 20:51:04 horse penis Jul 21 20:51:21 dawm: be nice.. lol Jul 21 20:51:35 just because Ailium isn't done, is no need to be mean Jul 21 20:51:37 * PatrickC ducks Jul 21 20:51:37 PatrickC: yeah, using a manifest file you can define the resources a page needs to work, and devices can use it to store the entire thing Jul 21 20:51:44 PatrickC, its 105 outside Jul 21 20:51:48 94 inside Jul 21 20:51:50 bit me Jul 21 20:51:52 bite Jul 21 20:51:52 ouch Jul 21 20:51:57 air broke? Jul 21 20:52:15 For example www.everytimezone.com is a plain web site with a manifest... Put it on an iDevice and it works fine even when completely offline. Jul 21 20:52:17 yeah and its not gonna do much good if it was working Jul 21 20:52:21 its pouring rain here... about 75 degrees Jul 21 20:52:23 crazy to think im in michigan Jul 21 20:52:26 omg i want rain so bad Jul 21 20:52:37 come to nashville :) Jul 21 20:53:14 you got a hot sister or something? Jul 21 20:53:43 no... Jul 21 20:53:50 just rain Jul 21 20:53:50 http://theoatmeal.com/blog/playdoh Jul 21 20:54:23 haha Jul 21 20:54:29 i've ate playdoh :P Jul 21 20:58:09 anyone gotten a response about belts yet? Jul 21 20:58:47 hello Jul 21 20:58:51 hey Jul 21 20:59:30 can you help me with putting webOS 2.1 on my pre 1 Jul 21 21:00:26 yes Jul 21 21:00:35 but #webos-internals is better for this Jul 21 21:00:53 yep Jul 21 21:01:30 once you join #webos-internals we can begin Jul 21 21:01:36 ok Jul 21 21:09:56 dawm: no texting? what girl is this Jul 21 21:11:39 apparently array properties in enyo kinds are shared between all instances Jul 21 21:11:41 grrr Jul 21 21:13:38 wait, winphone7 is getting a Google+ client? I WANT Jul 21 21:14:22 * PatrickC doesn't use g+ Jul 21 21:20:07 PatrickC: Because you're not old enough ;D Jul 21 21:20:40 COPPA laws. heh Jul 21 21:26:02 twbbas: yep haha Jul 21 21:26:52 * fxspec06 isn't here Jul 21 21:27:06 PatrickC: its no joke, you're not old enough Jul 21 21:27:29 yeah Jul 21 21:27:32 need to be 15 Jul 21 21:27:33 18 Jul 21 21:27:34 * Jul 21 21:28:09 At least while it's in beta Jul 21 21:28:17 yep Jul 21 21:28:36 what if i like facebook beta Jul 21 21:28:53 facebook was like that too Jul 21 21:28:55 now its 13 Jul 21 21:29:00 oh thats' probably my stupid boston accent. Jul 21 21:29:24 * fxspec06 has horrible jokes Jul 21 21:29:31 Lol Jul 21 21:29:57 fxspec06: and a horrible accent apparently Jul 21 21:30:17 is wIRC TouchPad-optimized? Jul 21 21:30:23 summatusmentis: that's how we all talk around here Jul 21 21:30:34 Blown up for touchpad, yes Jul 21 21:30:35 doesn't mean it's any more ok :) Jul 21 21:30:40 lol Jul 21 21:30:41 optimized is strong Jul 21 21:30:56 you can use the mojo version fullscreen on the TP Jul 21 21:31:01 it's not an enyo re-write Jul 21 21:31:16 It just doesn't go into the mojo phone window Jul 21 21:31:20 and the interface is not optimized for tablet in any way Jul 21 21:31:22 right Jul 21 21:31:32 It's still nice Jul 21 21:32:15 no, I mean, it works well, that's not what I'm saying Jul 21 21:32:24 Yeah I know Jul 21 21:32:45 just that it's not "tablet-optimized" in the same way that say, the new email app is Jul 21 21:32:51 Yeah Jul 21 21:33:04 but it's full screen? that works well enough for me. Jul 21 21:33:10 it is full screen Jul 21 21:33:17 Have you seen enyo wirc screenshots? It looks amazing Jul 21 21:33:26 it's actually really nice to use on the TP, I like it better than on a phone Jul 21 21:33:32 Same Jul 21 21:33:33 twbbas-touchpad: I haven't, link? Jul 21 21:34:44 http://www.precentral.net/screenshots-touchpad-s-wirc-client-approved Jul 21 21:35:21 ...that is SO not full screen :-X Jul 21 21:35:44 there are several apps I wanna just ... fix for full screen. Jul 21 21:36:01 take dr. podder for example and just fix it to scale up. repackage the code. Jul 21 21:36:02 rwatkins: fix mine please Jul 21 21:36:17 lol j/p. bbs. Jul 21 21:36:18 where did you get this full screen version? Jul 21 21:36:41 fxspec06_: which app? only willing to go back into Mojo for an app I really need. :) Jul 21 21:36:46 IGNTNUNLMTD: what version are you using? Jul 21 21:36:57 0.4.4 Jul 21 21:37:03 Maybe the fullscreen one is in the testing feeds Jul 21 21:37:07 gah Jul 21 21:37:08 yes Jul 21 21:37:11 must be Jul 21 21:37:19 I have .4.5 Jul 21 21:37:21 yes, or the one in the app catalog, I believe Jul 21 21:37:24 0.4.5 Jul 21 21:37:24 which I conveniently don't have configured Jul 21 21:37:35 wish it was easier to add feeds :-/ Jul 21 21:37:50 lack of easy copy/paste on TP makes it a pain in the ss Jul 21 21:37:52 I'll purchase the app catalog version when they submit the enyo one Jul 21 21:38:26 I probably will too Jul 21 21:43:08 Round 1 goes to the playbook: http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/07/21/rims-blackberry-playbook-becomes-first-tablet-certified-for-deployment-within-u-s-federal-government/ Jul 21 21:44:48 well, but let's be honest, BB is pretty much the only vendor that has ever done that Jul 21 21:44:59 right? I mean, they have an in Jul 21 21:46:22 Yeah Jul 21 21:46:53 I saw a headline today that more win7 tablets have been sold than the PlayBook Jul 21 21:47:53 Saw that too. I lol'ed Jul 21 21:51:57 I'm thisclose to abandoning Apple. Jul 21 21:52:08 MBP keeps crashing Jul 21 21:52:16 I use Windows :-) Jul 21 21:52:23 applecare it Jul 21 21:52:33 twbbas-touchpad: that's not better Jul 21 21:52:55 I'm not a mac guy Jul 21 21:53:21 I use linux and windows Jul 21 21:53:28 I use all three Jul 21 21:53:29 I'm just being arrogant for no reason :) Jul 21 21:53:33 I like OS X a lot Jul 21 21:53:33 and ALL of them suck royally Jul 21 21:53:42 I see virtually no reason to use windows, ever Jul 21 21:53:47 gaming Jul 21 21:53:59 ok, let me rephrase Jul 21 21:54:06 I understand why people use windows Jul 21 21:54:08 There's a lot of software only written for windows Jul 21 21:54:13 I personally, have no reason to use windows, ever Jul 21 21:54:31 I admit, lots of companies are switching to supporting both Jul 21 21:54:45 indeed, and if they're not, I don't need their product :) Jul 21 21:55:09 I like win 7 a lot Jul 21 21:55:32 I've heard good things about it Jul 21 21:55:59 at this point, I'm gonna keep using OS X until Apple makes me angry enough, then switch to linux, probably Jul 21 21:56:05 Lol Jul 21 21:56:18 Apple's already gotten me there with software Jul 21 21:56:24 and hardware, for that matter Jul 21 21:56:30 just waiting for this thing to die Jul 21 21:56:35 so I can choose something new Jul 21 21:59:05 IGNTNUNLMTD: I like the hw, and the Sw is so-so Jul 21 21:59:40 software = iPad now that Lion's out, and I'm not 65 years old and not used a computer before, so that's out for me Jul 21 21:59:50 oh, osx Jul 21 21:59:53 I love osx Jul 21 22:00:32 hardware = 6 hours in the "genius" bar to tell me "nothings wrong, come back in a week" (warranty ended in 3 days) Jul 21 22:00:38 I fail to understand the "I don't need ease-of-use because I learned to use computers the hard way" concept Jul 21 22:01:05 Apple's warranty upholding policies are downright fraudulent Jul 21 22:01:30 IGNTNUNLMTD Jul 21 22:01:49 it's not that I don't want easy of use, it's that I don't want them to slowly take away features and freedom Jul 21 22:01:54 i once took a macbook to a store w/ a broken dvd drive the day after my warranty expired, after they told me they'd fix it Jul 21 22:02:00 and they wouldn't fix it Jul 21 22:02:06 no shit, it's Apple. :-P Jul 21 22:02:44 they straight-to-my-face lied about running tests to see if my motherboard was fried, and told me everything was fine Jul 21 22:02:45 and then i tried saying that on engadget Jul 21 22:02:55 IGNTNUNLMTD: that I can agree with, and it certainly seems that this is the direction they're moving, I'm not sure that Lion actually does any of that though Jul 21 22:02:57 and wasted my entire day arguing with people who accused me of lying Jul 21 22:03:07 I had to call fucking APPLE CORPORATE to get any help at all Jul 21 22:03:35 they fixed things, but not after I'd wasted hours arguing with their "Geniuses" Jul 21 22:03:44 I how they're called that Jul 21 22:03:46 their geniuses are retarded Jul 21 22:03:47 love* Jul 21 22:04:11 when I go into Apple stores for a genius visit, I answer customers' questions before the geniuses do Jul 21 22:04:21 lol Jul 21 22:04:22 I got kicked out once for doing that Jul 21 22:04:24 I was thinking of getting a touchpad, but wondering how it could possibly be usable without a gesture area? Jul 21 22:04:31 it is Jul 21 22:04:40 the "swipe up" is enough Jul 21 22:04:54 and I was skeptical about that before I bought mine Jul 21 22:05:32 i'm about to go smack some bchz in some whiffleball Jul 21 22:05:47 is there a fast application switch feature? how about apps with gesture-hold as a modifier key? Jul 21 22:05:48 ya, swipe up works suprisingly well -- other than the events sometimes filter down to the app that just got minimized.\ Jul 21 22:06:16 Rwatkins: doesn't happen to me Jul 21 22:06:19 the bit I want now is the ability to throw away a card thats not in the center - I routinely try and toss cards that are off to the right or left still. Jul 21 22:06:39 Hi guys Jul 21 22:06:46 twbbas-touchpad: try it on a 3 pane app - often the center pane will get the event and resize. happens in Paper Mache for me all the time. Jul 21 22:07:00 Does it happen in email? Jul 21 22:07:16 I have an IE compability problem. can somebody help me here? Jul 21 22:07:43 riffina: what do you think this channel is about? Jul 21 22:08:13 krushia_: what do you mean fast app switch feature? what device? Jul 21 22:08:14 twbbas-touchpad: i dont think so - likely because the buttons in the toolbar are getting the events - you cant drag from the button like you can in an empty toolbar. Jul 21 22:08:37 Rwatkins: I see what you mean. It only happened when I up swiped near the grab button and did it at an angle Jul 21 22:08:48 summatusmentis: full gesture swipe left or right to switch to the next open app Jul 21 22:09:27 I think you have to enable it in phone settings Jul 21 22:09:33 alright guys i'll bbl Jul 21 22:09:36 krushia_: yeah, that exists on phones, turn on advanced gestures Jul 21 22:09:55 but it seems like you already know that, so what's your question? Jul 21 22:09:58 but what about touchpad? Jul 21 22:10:10 oh, there's no gesture area on the touchpad Jul 21 22:10:38 so yeah, up-swipe then card view is your best bet Jul 21 22:11:37 create a 'tilt for fast app switch' Jul 21 22:11:43 rwatkins, twbbas-touchpad: I've accidentally deleted email before by up-swiping over the delete icon. Best to be careful where you swipe Jul 21 22:11:59 haeffb: me too Jul 21 22:12:00 K Jul 21 22:12:03 especially when there's some lag Jul 21 22:12:05 haeffb: oof. not good Jul 21 22:12:21 rwatkins: that'd be neat actually, I wondw how hard of a patch that'd be Jul 21 22:12:24 I think they're fixing that in the coming OTA update Jul 21 22:12:26 bummer. I use it all the time on my pre, especially useful to switch from a game to email when boss walks up to me at work Jul 21 22:12:50 krushia_: become the boss...then you don't have to worry about that sort of thing. Jul 21 22:12:59 Lol Jul 21 22:13:02 or quit playing games at work :) Jul 21 22:13:12 (says the person who should be coding right now) Jul 21 22:13:21 been there, I don't like to deal with underlings Jul 21 22:16:41 fire them all for playing games at work. two problems solved at once. Jul 21 22:17:30 * haeffb doesn't miss the gesture area on the TP... Jul 21 22:17:59 they've alleviated the need for the backswipe, which is the biggest reason I cared Jul 21 22:18:37 * rwatkins misses the gesture area but getting used to it. Jul 21 22:23:24 are there any "* with friends" apps for webos? Jul 21 22:23:54 * haeffb wishes I would have put more comments in my code Jul 21 22:23:56 Words With Friends, etc. Jul 21 22:26:57 * rwatkins usually comments mostly to "TODO: fix this later" Jul 22 00:04:54 copy-paste on the touchpad is the long-press i think Jul 22 00:05:51 i thin kthe back button should always be in the upper left, not the lower left. Jul 22 00:06:11 i think the back Jul 22 00:38:31 markd_: why? Jul 22 00:40:56 ... i think it should always be in the lower left, since i usually grip the touchpad from the lower left edge Jul 22 00:41:23 control/nav buttons should all be there. Actually i was thinking today that i'd love a patch that put the browser control bar at the bottom Jul 22 00:42:01 pigsflew: BTW, regarding the audio settings change script - it should probably be a linux script like the Add Launcher Tabs script, rather than a patch, since installation of patches doesn't work too well for upstart scripts. Jul 22 00:42:02 not that it'd ever be standard, i just like the idea of being able to use the hand that's holding the touchpad for some things Jul 22 00:42:15 thank you Jul 22 00:42:27 i'll take a look at the launcher tabs script and see how that works Jul 22 00:42:38 that's... not in the modifications repo, where could i find that? Jul 22 00:42:56 the postinst for the package would install the upstart script, and the prerm for the package would remove it Jul 22 00:43:29 git.webos-internals.org preware/build.git linux/add-launcher-tabs/Makefile Jul 22 00:43:34 ::nods:: That was actually how i thought that patches worked before :) Jul 22 00:43:56 look in applications/impostah to see how to install an upstart script Jul 22 00:44:37 yeah, I think the lower left makes sense. I initially didn't expect it to be there either, but it makes sense hand-placement-wise Jul 22 00:45:15 --use-v1-format not working for me Jul 22 00:45:31 portal still shows min OS version 3.0 Jul 22 00:49:55 rwhitby, will this allow me to make it into a Tweak? Jul 22 00:50:18 or is that unlikely, given its nature? Jul 22 00:50:29 unlikely Jul 22 00:53:05 oh wow Jul 22 00:53:07 this is simple Jul 22 01:11:28 Anyone know why gtalk on the TP doesn't do video chat? Jul 22 01:14:20 rwhitby, should I use org.webosinternals? or something else? Jul 22 01:16:11 I'm thinking mine should be com.pigsflew and with my own name/email as maintainer, but if there's a standard, i'll of course defer Jul 22 01:16:44 it's your package, so you should use your domain (assuming you own pigsflew.com) Jul 22 01:16:51 i do :) Jul 22 01:35:44 rwhitby: just happened to browse your add launcher tabs commit mentioned above, wanted to point out the commit for the openssh dependencies, in case it was unintentional Jul 22 01:41:03 dwc-: ah, thanks. yeah, it was unintentional, but not a problem. Jul 22 01:41:11 it is --use-v1-format, right? Jul 22 01:41:57 * haeffb has tried this four different times and it always shows up on portal as "This app requires a minimum OS of 3.0.0 " Jul 22 01:43:31 man, if only we had an HP employee hanging out here to help with these kinds of issues. Like sugardave or somebody. Jul 22 01:43:39 haeffb: I did PHD as a 1.0.0 app last week or so Jul 22 01:43:54 I did it with this same app last week. Jul 22 01:44:11 fixed a couple of bugs, try to resubmit. Not happening. Jul 22 01:46:52 see haeffb, if you were working on an app and couldn't make THAT work, then I'm your guy....portal submissions, not so much Jul 22 01:47:17 oh, well in that case, I have this app that's not working... :) Jul 22 01:47:28 oh yeah? what's wrong with it? Jul 22 01:47:35 It doesn't auto-sync Jul 22 01:47:55 well, fix that Jul 22 01:48:14 "see haeffb, if you were working on an app and couldn't make THAT work, then I'm your guy.." Jul 22 01:48:24 isn't there some repo of publicly available webOS device images somewhere? Jul 22 01:48:47 haeffb: let me add "and IF I didn't need to finish these presentations for tomorrow's meetup" Jul 22 01:49:07 too late. I'm already waiting for you to fix it. Jul 22 01:49:24 okay, when I get back from Vancouver next week, I'll take a look :P Jul 22 01:49:36 what's in Vancouver? Jul 22 01:49:56 sugardave: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Jul 22 01:50:00 lots of stuff, mostly way better temperatures...going there for a real SWAT thingie Jul 22 01:50:04 sugardave: make sure you give attribution ;) Jul 22 01:50:42 rwhitby: cool, thanks Jul 22 01:51:35 sugardave: perhaps you can shed some light on a design issue for me... Jul 22 01:51:41 people with more important broken apps? Jul 22 01:52:00 can't say, secrets....shh Jul 22 01:52:09 in order to do background processing (sync), I must have a service... ? Jul 22 01:52:22 and a service can't access SQLite databases... ? Jul 22 01:52:51 haeffb: yes, that's an interesting one...unless you can find a node.js sqlite library Jul 22 01:53:23 sugardave: it won't have permissions to get to the same database as mojo or enyo from inside the node.js jail Jul 22 01:53:57 basically, the whole sqlite to db8 transition has not been thought out by Palm Jul 22 01:54:00 * haeffb notes that I can do some processing in a headless enyo app with no windows open Jul 22 01:54:26 yeah, that is interesting....my next thought would be what haeffb just said, go headless and then use an alarm to wake it up? Jul 22 01:54:26 can't access sqlite from node.js, and db8 database limits mean you can't do anything serious in db8 Jul 22 01:54:42 but I don't know what a time limit might be or how to work out the case where the processing takes longer than whatever limit is imposed Jul 22 01:54:56 so you have to do a slow, complex, error-prone, round-about trip by launch parameters to do anything Jul 22 01:55:36 wait a second...you can't access ext: databases from node, even with a (not sure if it exists) sqlite module? Jul 22 01:56:22 thats a question for creationx Jul 22 01:57:04 who needs sqlite when you have text files Jul 22 01:57:06 * dwc- hides Jul 22 01:57:08 there are many sqlite modules for node. buuuuttttt… you can't use any in a service Jul 22 01:57:21 it's a complete mess Jul 22 01:57:30 * halfhalo agrees Jul 22 01:58:14 it sucks :/ Jul 22 01:58:59 * haeffb needs SQLite for querying purposes. Jul 22 01:59:21 s/needs/prefers/ Jul 22 02:00:27 sugardave: is there a time limit imposed on a headless app to create a window (ala mojo) before webOS shuts it down? Jul 22 02:00:32 why no can use sqlite module in a seevice? Jul 22 02:00:56 haeffb: unknown, I would guess yes Jul 22 02:01:07 sugardave: no binary addons are allowed Jul 22 02:01:07 but, isn't a notification a window? Jul 22 02:01:22 a dashboard, yes. Jul 22 02:01:22 halfhalo: ah Jul 22 02:01:56 haeffb: so, you could just make a dashboard to circumvent that "DON'T CLOSE THIS WHILE I'M SYNCING" or something Jul 22 02:01:59 so, yeah, I could open a dashboard every time my app syncs. but that's....inelegant Jul 22 02:02:14 oh, now you want functional AND elegant? wth, man? Jul 22 02:02:33 have you seen my new company logo? I'm big time now. Jul 22 02:02:40 * oil wants to see Jul 22 02:02:54 http://smallpondapps.com Jul 22 02:03:15 big time in a small pond Jul 22 02:03:19 makes you all tingly, doesn't it Jul 22 02:03:37 haeffb: i like it Jul 22 02:03:37 rwhitby: what else is webOS development but a small pond... :) Jul 22 02:03:42 logos are so hard to get right Jul 22 02:04:48 yup Jul 22 02:04:51 thanks Jul 22 02:05:22 I like it, though I did see another app the other day with the whole dragonfly logo.... Jul 22 02:05:56 really? what was it called? Jul 22 02:06:07 hmmm, that's a tough one Jul 22 02:06:49 haven't heard of it. Jul 22 02:11:07 hmm. deciding about what mac i'm going to get Jul 22 02:13:37 * haeffb has decided that Kindle and HP Movie Store are dangerous apps Jul 22 02:15:02 32GB now $555 on Amazon Jul 22 02:20:36 does that include the $50 legacy discount Jul 22 02:22:56 $505 with the legacy rebate... Jul 22 02:23:51 * PatrickC wanders in Jul 22 02:24:45 so, anyone want to try uploading a --use-v1-format app to the portal? Jul 22 02:24:51 haeffb: why are the kindle/mobiestore dangerous? :) Jul 22 02:25:08 too tempting to spend $$$ Jul 22 02:25:29 lol Jul 22 02:26:29 you can always cancel the submission after determining whether it works or not... Jul 22 02:29:46 haeffb: you gots a tp already? don't u? Jul 22 02:30:53 * fxspec06 kicks PatrickC in the balls Jul 22 02:31:07 sorry, it's becoming a bit of a habit now Jul 22 02:31:22 ow! Jul 22 02:31:33 lol Jul 22 02:31:34 wait, how does noah have no internet... but is on villo chat? Jul 22 02:31:36 whats up Jul 22 02:31:59 he sends his chat message via USPS? Jul 22 02:32:04 yes, I do Jul 22 02:32:11 I'm just askin when I should expect the ipk. :) Jul 22 02:33:56 is it possible for popcorn to be moldy Jul 22 02:40:21 Popple3: ping! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 22 02:59:57 2011