**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 25 02:59:57 2011 Jul 25 03:00:03 dude, don't be so self-degrading Jul 25 03:00:15 Oh Jul 25 03:00:37 * kindaNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back Jul 25 03:01:38 Wow, this channel was created like right after webOS was displayed at CES Jul 25 03:02:02 Really? Jul 25 03:02:22 * kindaNewbie is fascinated with webOS Jul 25 03:02:39 * kindaNewbie uses XChat on Ubuntu Jul 25 03:02:43 Stop that! Jul 25 03:03:03 twbbas: I was here for it :) Jul 25 03:03:10 oh wait, no, wrong channel Jul 25 03:03:20 that was #webos-internals Jul 25 03:03:40 * kindaNewbie wonders what that is Jul 25 03:03:47 Ever heard of Preware? Jul 25 03:03:50 Stop! Jul 25 03:04:00 * kindaNewbie wonders what Preware is Jul 25 03:04:04 ugh. Jul 25 03:04:16 www.webos-internals.org Jul 25 03:04:17 * kindaNewbie is very childish for 12 Jul 25 03:04:26 It's an amazing app that unlocks the homebrew in your device! Jul 25 03:04:27 nevermind. Jul 25 03:05:07 Server: I hate you Jul 25 03:05:12 * kindaNewbie hates this server Jul 25 03:05:16 Once you get a webOS phone, you'll want to get Preware Jul 25 03:05:24 * kindaNewbie doesn't have one Jul 25 03:05:40 You can make slight modifications to your phone like changing the battery icon to be a % instead or adding more icons per row in the launcher Jul 25 03:05:53 Yeah, that's why I said "once you get one Jul 25 03:06:12 * kindaNewbie probably won't get one very soon Jul 25 03:06:30 Yeah, being 12 years old has its disadvantages Jul 25 03:06:44 * kindaNewbie isn't here Jul 25 03:06:54 Cya! Jul 25 03:07:06 * kindaNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back Jul 25 03:07:16 * kindaNewbie but I'm here Jul 25 03:07:44 You're confusing us Jul 25 03:08:01 * kindaNewbie is taking a bath Jul 25 03:08:13 * kindaNewbie is lying Jul 25 03:08:22 So much purple Jul 25 03:08:34 purple? Jul 25 03:08:40 Yeah, /me's are purple on my screen Jul 25 03:08:50 blue on mine Jul 25 03:08:57 you are green Jul 25 03:09:07 they're def purple Jul 25 03:09:23 On most IRC clients they are purple Jul 25 03:09:32 by default Jul 25 03:09:33 I use XChat Jul 25 03:09:38 on Ubuntu Jul 25 03:09:42 I use mIRC on Win 7 Jul 25 03:09:56 ditto Jul 25 03:10:03 Been using it since I was kindaNewbie's age Jul 25 03:10:04 I have transparency on Jul 25 03:10:16 I use irssi running on debian, ssh'd into from OS X Jul 25 03:10:17 twbbas: ditto again Jul 25 03:10:26 mIRC is how I learned my first "programming" Jul 25 03:10:34 twbbas: you've been using Win 7 since you were 12?!?! Jul 25 03:10:35 Programming? Jul 25 03:10:39 LOL Jul 25 03:10:48 summatusmentis: haha, funny. Nah, I had XP back then Jul 25 03:10:52 he got a preview beta alpha build Jul 25 03:11:04 I used Win 95 until 7 Jul 25 03:11:17 I don't think I touched a computer until I was at least 7 Jul 25 03:11:18 XP ever since Jul 25 03:11:18 twbbas: look, your words, not mine Jul 25 03:11:30 summatusmentis: Haha yeah, I got it Jul 25 03:11:31 i remember when my family bought a win85 computer, it was $3,000 new. top of the line. Jul 25 03:11:38 Ubuntu since last year on laptop Jul 25 03:11:44 Wow Jul 25 03:11:44 that was before you were born kindaNewbie Jul 25 03:11:49 Probably before me too Jul 25 03:11:58 Eh, maybe not Jul 25 03:12:06 I got laptop at 18 months Jul 25 03:12:11 Hand-me-down Jul 25 03:12:15 Wow Jul 25 03:12:18 wow Jul 25 03:12:22 Was it like a chew toy or something Jul 25 03:12:24 i got a fisher price laptop Jul 25 03:12:38 I actually used it to "type" Jul 25 03:12:41 jkbgslhgadflcvlnsbhlsnl nv Jul 25 03:12:51 * twbbas played outside instead of typing gibberish on a laptop Jul 25 03:12:59 Oh. Jul 25 03:13:11 Anyone remember Counter Strike? Jul 25 03:13:19 twbbas: :) the idea of an 18-month old typing on a chew toy is funny to me Jul 25 03:13:27 summatusmentis: hahaha Jul 25 03:13:36 I had a Compaq Jul 25 03:13:49 it was nice Jul 25 03:13:56 DId registry hacks Jul 25 03:13:56 twbbas: what's a 'outside' and when will i get to experience it? Jul 25 03:13:58 At 7 Jul 25 03:14:00 Remember when all computers used to be that off-white color? Jul 25 03:14:10 fxspec06: I'm starting to forget it myself Jul 25 03:14:11 That was my laptop Jul 25 03:14:16 And computer Jul 25 03:14:23 That followed laptop Jul 25 03:14:34 New one 2008 Jul 25 03:14:41 Computer Jul 25 03:14:43 I played Backyard Baseball at age 7 Jul 25 03:14:47 not registry hacks Jul 25 03:14:47 Laptop 5th grade Jul 25 03:15:00 (The video game) Jul 25 03:15:12 I love TrackMania Sunrise Jul 25 03:15:16 Anyone do it? Jul 25 03:15:31 I think I have a TrackMania game installed. It was a freebie from Stream Jul 25 03:15:33 Steam* Jul 25 03:15:36 i remember backyard baseball! and rollercoaster tycoon! and oregon trail Jul 25 03:15:44 Steam? Jul 25 03:15:44 omg rollercoaster tycoon!!! Jul 25 03:15:52 I never really liked Oregon Trail Jul 25 03:15:53 Originall Jul 25 03:15:59 And 3 Platinum Jul 25 03:16:03 Own them Jul 25 03:16:10 RCT Jul 25 03:16:25 Hi oc80z Jul 25 03:16:35 We like computer games Jul 25 03:16:41 like TrackMania Jul 25 03:16:47 and RollerCoaster Tycoon Jul 25 03:16:54 I have Video Game Tycoon Jul 25 03:16:57 lame. Jul 25 03:17:03 * kindaNewbie thinks it is lame Jul 25 03:17:27 hello Jul 25 03:17:34 * kindaNewbie purple/blue now Jul 25 03:17:41 woa now... rollercoastertycoon2 is the best one there is. Jul 25 03:17:50 I've only played the first one Jul 25 03:17:51 I have 2, not original Jul 25 03:17:55 sorry Jul 25 03:18:16 2 is like 1 but better in almost all ways Jul 25 03:18:19 I would always build a tower of sidewalks and stairs for the concession stand place Jul 25 03:18:24 so it was consolidated Jul 25 03:18:38 I make coasters with a drop-off Jul 25 03:18:45 * kindaNewbie wishes he did Jul 25 03:18:54 water slides with that giant hump after a drop? Those were hilarious Jul 25 03:18:55 * kindaNewbie didn;t really Jul 25 03:19:00 I made a loop of roads with mine. you could only walk one way to get in/out Jul 25 03:19:09 hahaha Jul 25 03:19:12 never thought of that Jul 25 03:19:16 I found a bug in RCT3 Jul 25 03:19:22 peep wandered Jul 25 03:19:30 made animal enclosure around them Jul 25 03:19:34 * twbbas is off for the night Jul 25 03:19:34 they screamedx Jul 25 03:19:42 * halfhalo played rct2 for HOURS at a time Jul 25 03:19:51 * halfhalo goes to buy it again if its in the appstore Jul 25 03:20:16 * kindaNewbie needs to go test app Jul 25 03:20:59 * halfhalo is waiting for mbp to finish restore, and if that fails he has firewire drive to boot from to grab his files he needs Jul 25 03:27:15 * kindaNewbie is back Jul 25 03:27:27 in black? Jul 25 03:27:35 What? Jul 25 03:28:17 What is with this generation and not knowing the good songs/artists... Jul 25 03:28:32 good? hrm Jul 25 03:29:15 I love Kraftwerk Jul 25 03:29:26 I rest my case. Jul 25 03:29:53 You don't like them? Jul 25 03:30:06 Pocket Calculator! Jul 25 03:30:30 * averageJoe has memorized over 100 digits of pi Jul 25 03:31:05 * halfhalo listens to what you youngin's call old timers music. currently listening to hootie and the blowfish. None of this new cRap. Jul 25 03:31:32 * webOSNewbie doesn't understand a bit Jul 25 03:31:51 * webOSNewbie needs a bath Jul 25 03:32:30 woah now.... veer commercial on youtube... Jul 25 03:32:39 Where? Jul 25 03:33:04 * webOSNewbie has completed his first app: a tap counter Jul 25 03:33:35 How can I make it so the whole screen is a button? Jul 25 03:33:51 Hello? Jul 25 03:34:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoW3bqnr7tw == good music Jul 25 03:37:41 well thats great.... laptop failed to fix its hd Jul 25 03:37:49 How can I make it so the whole screen is a button? Jul 25 03:38:00 On webOS Mojo Jul 25 03:38:19 WOA Jul 25 03:38:28 LION RESTORE PARTITION HAS TERMINAL Jul 25 03:38:30 * webOSNewbie wonders what that means Jul 25 03:38:44 No I don't Jul 25 03:38:56 kreepy server Jul 25 03:39:05 kreepy server? Jul 25 03:39:16 * webOSNewbie did say that Jul 25 03:39:20 See! Jul 25 03:40:03 what is the touchpad's favorite audio format Jul 25 03:40:19 mp3? Jul 25 03:40:36 lol nope. i can't even get .mp3 to work Jul 25 03:40:44 this isn't who wants to be a millionaire either Jul 25 03:41:03 * webOSNewbie wishes he was smart enough to know Jul 25 03:41:05 Ugh. Jul 25 03:41:20 I wish the server would stop Jul 25 03:41:26 * webOSNewbie doesn't Jul 25 03:41:42 wooo single user mode! Jul 25 03:42:01 woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Jul 25 03:42:06 * webOSNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back Jul 25 03:42:12 have you ever used a mac before? Jul 25 03:44:52 mebe Jul 25 03:45:17 >console Jul 25 03:45:20 best mac login ever Jul 25 03:45:32 lol Jul 25 03:45:48 completely forgot macs still had single user mode Jul 25 04:48:23 * halfhalo has to get his computer reimaged tomorrow. fun fun. Jul 25 05:09:06 making a frankenpre2 is harder then I thought..... Jul 25 05:10:17 lol Jul 25 05:12:15 possible to make two different toggle buttons the same width in 3.0.0 and 3.0.2? answer likely - no. Jul 25 05:12:21 bleh Jul 25 05:34:39 halfhalo: I just decided to put the comms board into my vzw pre+ to do provisioning Jul 25 05:34:56 I care…. why? Jul 25 05:35:32 lol Jul 25 05:41:08 PatrickC: http://www.chinabuye.com/q97-quad-band-triple-sim-triple-standby-dual-tv-wifi-qwerty-keyboard-mobile-phone-black Jul 25 05:41:12 wtf is up with the back cover, is that a CPU fan? Jul 25 05:48:30 nice site Jul 25 05:48:48 ebook reader on a watch phone - sweet! Jul 25 05:48:52 http://www.chinabuye.com/avatar-et-1-quad-band-touch-screen-watch-phone-with-numeric-keypad Jul 25 05:49:27 Tommy: that's a huge speaker Jul 25 06:06:09 LoneStar: lol, a 3D speaker! Jul 25 06:06:19 rwatkins: http://www.chinabuye.com/aircraft-shape-usb-3d-optical-mouse-for-laptop-pc-notebook Jul 25 06:06:21 zooooooooooooooooooooooom Jul 25 06:07:56 LoneStar: here's one for you buddy, http://www.chinabuye.com/cute-sexy-usb-3d-optical-mouse-for-laptop-pc-notebook Jul 25 06:08:35 i especially like how you can aim the nipples wherever you want like eyes Jul 25 06:12:05 hey Tommy Jul 25 06:13:01 PatrickC: sup fella Jul 25 06:13:06 nm Jul 25 06:14:00 just trying and failing to make a pre2 Jul 25 06:14:33 :( Jul 25 06:14:35 good luck Jul 25 06:19:16 thx Jul 25 06:19:28 I should have had Loudergood do it for me :) Jul 25 06:56:15 Good morning Jul 25 06:56:45 morning Jul 25 07:31:29 * PatrickC yawns Jul 25 07:48:14 g'nite Jul 25 07:48:32 good night PatrickC Jul 25 07:48:53 dkirker: hey! Jul 25 07:49:01 hi Jul 25 07:49:02 have a chance to try the app? Jul 25 07:49:05 not yet Jul 25 07:49:09 been really busy... Jul 25 07:49:16 that's fine Jul 25 07:49:52 been busy making those extra apps you'll let me take credit for so I can be a black belt ;) Jul 25 11:17:20 hello Jul 25 11:17:58 yo Jul 25 11:19:43 i have a question about flashing my pre minus to 2.1. the original carrier was o2 but it is now unlocked. will it still be unlocked after the flashing? Jul 25 13:21:46 I hate android Jul 25 13:25:23 lol Jul 25 13:28:01 Hrm, the way things are going I could possibly be tempted to get a 3G touchpad at some stage. Jul 25 13:28:51 I've been with my boss a lot recently, and he's got a 3g touchpad, makes me want something similar Jul 25 13:29:05 the ability to get internet anywhere, and not be tied to wifi is compelling Jul 25 13:29:12 Of course, I blame WebOS Internals for that. Jul 25 13:29:22 summatusmentis: I've got a laptop with a 3G dongle, I'm already not tied to wifi. Jul 25 13:29:45 Hendikins: I'll accept that blame Jul 25 13:30:52 rwhitby: Heh. One of my big issues with tablets is replication of functionality I use on the laptop. As much as I despise Ubuntu, the ability to run it in a chroot on a touchpad makes it rather more enticing than it may otherwise be. Jul 25 13:31:58 well, I wouldn't call ubuntu on the touchpad useable yet Jul 25 13:32:16 I wouldn't be buying a touchpad yet either. Jul 25 13:32:35 But it certainly piques interest. Jul 25 13:36:02 once I get this on-the-fly repartitioning app working it we should get some more people using it Jul 25 13:36:09 (since you won't have to doctor) Jul 25 13:37:55 rwhitby: how is the jetlag? Jul 25 13:38:45 normal Jul 25 13:39:28 morning Jul 25 13:46:21 Actually, that reminds me. I'll have to keep an eye out tomorrow, it is supposed to be the AU touchpad launch. Jul 25 14:02:44 rwhitby: what time does OSCON start? Jul 25 14:04:29 I bet it doesn't start at 7AM Jul 25 14:04:38 also, there's an app for that ;) Jul 25 14:06:59 PatrickC: www.oscon.com Jul 25 14:07:27 * hotdp would like to be at oscon.. Jul 25 14:10:12 at least it isn't oscorp... Jul 25 14:10:25 webOS isn't listed as a mobile platform Jul 25 14:12:46 rwhitby: is webos internals doing something? Jul 25 14:15:18 Morning, anyone around? Jul 25 14:15:35 maybe Jul 25 14:16:00 kinda Jul 25 14:16:03 PatrickC: no, HP flew me here from Australia just for the heck of it Jul 25 14:16:16 I didn't know HP flew you there... Jul 25 14:16:28 * PatrickC wonders if Viber is gonna come to webOS Jul 25 14:16:59 PatrickC: you might want to follow @webosinternals on twitter Jul 25 14:17:13 I am Jul 25 14:17:26 I must have missed that/those tweet(s) Jul 25 14:17:47 indeed Jul 25 14:20:12 hey there Jul 25 14:20:40 need a lil help here Jul 25 14:21:35 rwhitby, Why is HP bringing you to a conference? Jul 25 14:21:49 ello Jul 25 14:22:33 naughty_david: what's up? Jul 25 14:22:49 aah .. simple question .. Jul 25 14:23:01 can we run a http server on a device using node.js service ? Jul 25 14:23:10 no clue Jul 25 14:23:26 how about this.. socket programming using enyo Jul 25 14:23:46 no clue.. over my head. sorry Jul 25 14:41:45 'Morning gentlemen. Jul 25 14:42:20 mornings Jul 25 14:49:21 if webos 2.2/2.3 doesn't support websockets, I'm going to break something Jul 25 14:49:33 are you listening, palm? Jul 25 14:49:41 breaakkkk!! :P Jul 25 14:49:59 long polling is cool and all, but jeez Jul 25 14:50:51 where does one report bugs in webos builtin apps Jul 25 14:52:16 calendar does weekly repeating events completely backwards, which is Super Awesome Jul 25 15:00:49 Is there anything you can do to "reset" a reminder for a calendar event if you accidentally dismissed it? Jul 25 15:37:41 * halfhalo has nothing to do until IT gets in today Jul 25 15:39:40 fun times.... Jul 25 15:43:29 so, is it possible to get the palm profile email? Jul 25 15:43:52 i want to make my own in-app purchase service, but, im unaware of anything unique other than the device id Jul 25 15:44:38 matbee: device id is all Jul 25 15:44:41 afaik Jul 25 15:44:45 ah okay.. Jul 25 15:44:48 there could be something new in 3.0 Jul 25 15:45:01 there seriously needs to be a profileid property we can use Jul 25 15:45:10 yeah Jul 25 15:45:12 a hash of the email or something Jul 25 15:45:48 i need -something- Jul 25 15:45:49 I wish they'd open up an API for the palm profile Jul 25 15:46:24 cuz now if they want to use the same account on different devices, they have to have different accounts OR i have to make a way for them to link their accounts to an email Jul 25 15:46:35 I wish for many things.... although my main wish is for a working computer :/ Jul 25 15:47:39 * halfhalo shakes fist at hp Jul 25 15:48:52 hmmmmm. so I have a horizontal list of controls. I want it to overflow to the next line if there is room, otherwise I want it to scroll. Anyone have any ideas? Jul 25 15:49:07 so, I've been seriously considering buying a webos device, not having a data plan for it, and doing something like mifi instead Jul 25 15:49:20 enyo.Grid gets me the grid, but it will still oveflow even if there isn't room Jul 25 15:50:40 summatusmentis: that can work. its clunky though. half the time my devices are simless and only on WiFi and while its doable, its sometimes a pain. Jul 25 15:52:16 halfhalo: well, it'd have a sim card, I'd still want to use it as a cell phone Jul 25 15:52:48 but it'd let me share a data plan between a phone and a TP Jul 25 15:52:55 and only pay one fee Jul 25 15:54:18 hmm. that would work. but honestly, there's mhs. (and freetether). it makes life so much easier (using it now) Jul 25 15:57:43 thing is, I'm on sprint, and I want new phones :) Jul 25 15:58:05 freetether was kinda spotty last time I used it Jul 25 15:58:30 there's your problem. sprint. Jul 25 15:58:52 matbee: http://twitpic.com/5vfcci is why Jul 25 15:59:57 rwhitby: nice. Jul 25 16:00:39 halfhalo: indeed, which is why I'm considering other options :) Jul 25 16:01:51 I like ATT. better service than when I had sprint, but if you are going the mifi route than T-Mobile is a valid option. although both will require you to get a data plan with smartphones now. Jul 25 16:04:56 Someone rebooted the server I was logged in from :P Jul 25 16:05:52 So I called cricket and they told me that once a phone gets flashed to cricket, it can never go back to verizon Jul 25 16:06:06 So basically, I have a verizon palm pixi plus stuck on the cricket network Jul 25 16:07:18 that doesn't really surprise me. Jul 25 16:07:21 halfhalo: in theory they don't have to know it's a smartphone right? Jul 25 16:08:13 Is there anything you can do to "reset" a reminder for a calendar event if you accidentally dismissed it? Jul 25 16:08:36 summatusmentis: I'm sure there's a way to hide it, but at least for ATT they know if its a smartphone or not once you put your sim in. that's how they send you messages telling you to pay up or gtfo. like with the 4g phones. Jul 25 16:09:45 oic Jul 25 16:11:19 heh. with ATT my data plan plans went from "oh, I'll just get the 200MB and use WiFi everywhere" to "oh, I'll just get the 2GB and only use it on one device" to "screw it, 4GB + tethering" Jul 25 16:18:28 which means you pay something like > $100/mo ? Jul 25 16:18:47 before discount, yes. Jul 25 16:19:51 do you get a decent discount to make it worthwhile? Jul 25 16:20:23 25% Jul 25 16:20:35 ooooh, shiny Jul 25 16:20:46 that's a reasonable way to go about it Jul 25 16:38:47 halfhalo: How's the internship going? Is it pretty cool? Jul 25 16:38:57 yup Jul 25 16:39:12 managed to break the laptop they gave me though. Jul 25 16:39:17 Yeah I saw last night Jul 25 16:39:20 Hah Jul 25 16:39:25 How did you go about applying for it? Jul 25 16:39:27 How long have you been there? Jul 25 16:39:39 Atomic|wIRC: started last monday Jul 25 16:39:50 twbbas: I had someone talk to me about it Jul 25 16:40:01 Nice, they must have really wanted you then Jul 25 16:40:07 Totally forgot I had this window open. Jul 25 16:40:19 hah Jul 25 16:40:46 so now the laptop is back in the hands of IT to be reflashed Jul 25 16:41:50 What kind of laptop? Jul 25 16:42:00 MBP Jul 25 16:42:11 Ah Jul 25 16:42:20 LOL @ HP using Macs Jul 25 16:42:45 lol Jul 25 16:43:05 * halfhalo fought for it. Jul 25 16:43:55 I was lucky to get mine Jul 25 16:44:16 Although now that I have it, my company's handing them out like candy Jul 25 16:46:09 morning, all Jul 25 16:46:33 Howdy Jul 25 16:49:26 fxspec06: What's up with that tweet? Jul 25 16:50:17 Woah, yeah. How did that happen, fxspec06 :o Jul 25 16:53:33 i took her to the burger shot Jul 25 16:53:43 and as i was about to get into my banshee i pressed RT Jul 25 16:53:45 ="( Jul 25 16:53:54 i scared her away Jul 25 16:54:08 and then she texted me all "the relationship is over" Jul 25 16:55:26 * fxspec06 wonders if anyone has ever played GTA IV Jul 25 16:55:51 lol Jul 25 16:57:10 rofl Jul 25 16:57:47 when I read that tweet, I was like... "'the shit is he talking about...?" Jul 25 16:58:15 we must've dated like 20 times over the last 5 years. and she's never dumped me before Jul 25 16:58:35 and sobochick is a huge bitch Jul 25 17:03:01 hahahah Jul 25 17:03:06 Ohhhh so the whole thing was a joke Jul 25 17:03:36 rwhitby, that's not "why". that's a schedule Jul 25 17:04:17 it was a joke, yes. but she really did dump me (in GTA IV). and I really was sad (for a minute) Jul 25 17:04:37 matbee: oh, you want to know what the business driver is for the expense of a trans-pacific flight for a homebrew presentation at an open source conference? Jul 25 17:04:48 yeah Jul 25 17:05:18 Why does HP want you there Jul 25 17:05:57 same reason that Richard Kerris mentioned homebrew in an MSNBC interview Jul 25 17:06:18 (20 seconds out of a 180 second interview) Jul 25 17:06:24 rwhitby: Is your presentation going to be recorded? I'd be interested in watching it. Jul 25 17:06:54 ^ likewise Jul 25 17:07:12 I enjoyed your presentation at the developer day Jul 25 17:07:18 twbbas: have you watched the recording of the NYC Dev Day presentation? Jul 25 17:07:23 twbbas: this one is not much different. Jul 25 17:07:31 Oh, alright Jul 25 17:07:33 Thanks Jul 25 17:07:49 same introductory material, different audience Jul 25 17:08:09 * PatrickC wanders in Jul 25 17:08:15 Hi PatrickC Jul 25 17:08:20 hey twbbas Jul 25 17:08:27 Hi PatrickC Jul 25 17:08:29 * PatrickC also hopes he gets this macbook Jul 25 17:08:34 * PatrickC hides from fxspec06 Jul 25 17:08:37 I have some inspiration for your "Your Radio" icon Jul 25 17:08:42 Let me go find it Jul 25 17:08:46 * fxspec06 fires a SMG at PatrickC Jul 25 17:08:48 twbbas: cool! email it to me Jul 25 17:09:01 screw macbooks :P Jul 25 17:09:02 * PatrickC blocks with Cap'n America's shield! Jul 25 17:09:12 PatrickC: It's just a youtube video Jul 25 17:09:16 what macbook are you trying to get? Jul 25 17:09:17 matbee: when you need to dev for iOS.... you need a macbook :/ Jul 25 17:09:20 twbbas: ah Jul 25 17:09:21 ah Jul 25 17:09:22 ha Jul 25 17:09:23 PatrickC: Look at the parts where he has a boombox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDEgCkLtELQ Jul 25 17:09:26 fxspec06: 2006 macbok Jul 25 17:09:31 oh same one i had! Jul 25 17:09:38 youtube could not find the vid Jul 25 17:09:48 Huh, really? Jul 25 17:09:51 Are you on your phone? Jul 25 17:09:51 yeah Jul 25 17:09:54 yep Jul 25 17:10:02 Maybe it's not available for mobile viewing Jul 25 17:10:05 * twbbas goes to find another link Jul 25 17:10:10 thx Jul 25 17:10:14 fxspec06: I'll get a link Jul 25 17:10:26 it was posted 2.5 hrs ago.. hoping its still there :) Jul 25 17:10:48 lol Jul 25 17:10:55 anyone have any idea why my pre 2 constantly has "choppy cam" Jul 25 17:11:00 the video lags galore Jul 25 17:11:41 PatrickC: That's the only link for that video, unfortunately. Jul 25 17:11:50 that's ok.. Jul 25 17:12:03 Is the forum still down? Jul 25 17:12:29 yeah Jul 25 17:12:47 I need another admin haha Jul 25 17:13:23 I don't have near enough time to keep up the site myself... Jul 25 17:13:58 What's there to keep up? Jul 25 17:13:59 guh Jul 25 17:14:08 someone make hp/palm give us all free node.js hosting Jul 25 17:14:38 forum, site content, etc. Jul 25 17:15:14 I want an Enyo hot apps contest Jul 25 17:15:31 YES! Jul 25 17:15:43 I'm sure it'd be worth the money for HP to do Jul 25 17:15:55 yeah Jul 25 17:15:58 Imagine how many new apps would come out built in enyo Jul 25 17:16:08 screw enyo Jul 25 17:16:10 <3 Jul 25 17:16:16 Plus, it'd ease the pain of redoing all of our mojo apps in enyo Jul 25 17:17:50 mojo is like 300x worse than enyo Jul 25 17:18:01 that's something I gave up on long ago Jul 25 17:18:17 Ive released one app using mojo, and it was hell Jul 25 17:18:37 id rather vanilla javascript, tbh Jul 25 17:19:14 has anyone stripped the css, and made a mojo-free css style for phonegap-webos apps? Jul 25 17:24:55 I love the webos community! Jul 25 17:24:59 "Mind you, I think that having the community offer to pay for your travel expenses to attend developer events is evidence enough that PatrickC should be considered for a Brown or Black Belt." Jul 25 17:25:29 i thought hp paid Jul 25 17:25:46 they don't send people to events free Jul 25 17:25:49 * hotdp is a Brayn belt :) Jul 25 17:25:51 like for travel, etc Jul 25 17:25:52 really? Jul 25 17:25:54 ha Jul 25 17:25:55 * hotdp *Braun Jul 25 17:26:19 matbee: otherwise they would be paying tons of devs money to fly and hotel Jul 25 17:26:28 ... Jul 25 17:26:33 well, yeah Jul 25 17:26:34 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&start=25 Jul 25 17:30:59 some guy said he has 30+ webos apps Jul 25 17:31:01 ... Jul 25 17:31:11 how in gods name can people release so many apps Jul 25 17:31:19 are they really that bad Jul 25 17:31:21 I'm curious to see how they handle enterprise clients Jul 25 17:31:35 matbee: AppBookShop Jul 25 17:31:55 for instance, I'm building only internal-use apps for my company Jul 25 17:32:07 they won't see the Catalog, ever Jul 25 17:32:08 this: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=84230&sid=c99052c49410261e1c76d503cf9f5576#p84230 Jul 25 17:32:10 IGNTNUNLMTD: am I part of your company? :) Jul 25 17:32:13 @ matbee Jul 25 17:32:23 no, my company is WhipSig Jul 25 17:32:26 lol Jul 25 17:32:40 "I've never quite understood how someone could release 10+ professional grade apps. They can't possibly be any good/useful." Jul 25 17:32:41 matbee: hahahaah, that is what you said. I was pointing out someone who agreed with you Jul 25 17:32:54 IGNTNUNLMTD: lol Jul 25 17:32:57 buttt, that person is you. Jul 25 17:33:10 huh? Jul 25 17:33:18 oh.. yeah lol Jul 25 17:34:28 lol Jul 25 17:34:48 but it doesn't make any sense Jul 25 17:34:55 yeah Jul 25 17:34:55 for a single person to make it Jul 25 17:34:57 matbee: I agree 200% Jul 25 17:35:12 how can hp reward based on amount of apps on the catalog Jul 25 17:35:15 rather than the quality Jul 25 17:35:25 # downloads + rating + usefulness Jul 25 17:35:28 agreed 100% Jul 25 17:35:41 some sort of equation Jul 25 17:35:45 yeah Jul 25 17:35:53 based on how many people actually have kept the app installed Jul 25 17:35:57 chuqui Jul 25 17:35:58 yeah Jul 25 17:36:00 exactly Jul 25 17:36:16 so AppBookShop wouldn't get shit Jul 25 17:36:19 yeah Jul 25 17:36:20 appropriately Jul 25 17:36:22 that's my fear Jul 25 17:36:33 that they will and we won't Jul 25 17:36:34 ? Jul 25 17:36:40 yeah... Jul 25 17:36:42 these god awful app developers are getting recognized and praised for their absolute abhorrent garbage Jul 25 17:36:46 Adora: you too :) Jul 25 17:36:53 PatrickC: yo Jul 25 17:37:06 "I've never quite understood how someone could release 10+ professional grade apps. They can't possibly be any good/useful." Jul 25 17:37:11 ^ matbee Jul 25 17:37:14 matbee: there's an asterisk near the numbers that indicates "not all apps qualify" Jul 25 17:37:27 summatusmentis: We have no idea what that means Jul 25 17:37:32 which I assume means there's still a subjective process around validity of the apps that work for discounts Jul 25 17:37:33 ahh the asterisk Jul 25 17:37:40 ahhhhhh the asterisk. Jul 25 17:37:56 Tibfib: clearly, but it's presumably left ambiguous to allow some freedom around what qualifies and what doesnt' Jul 25 17:38:04 summatusmentis: It isn't concrete at all, it seems they get to pick and choose what counts Jul 25 17:38:15 which I'm sure is intentional Jul 25 17:38:21 And, honestly, I would think quality free apps would qualify for more recognition than 5 paid garbage apps Jul 25 17:38:48 yeah Jul 25 17:38:53 i agree Jul 25 17:39:21 like, if rwhitby doesn't get blackbelt status automatically, there are many things wrong Jul 25 17:39:53 +10000 Jul 25 17:39:57 he deserves free, not discounted, devices from HP Jul 25 17:40:03 also an app that's well thought out and has a purpose and only took a week would qualify more than one that only took a week and is the same as another app w/ a few lines changed here & there Jul 25 17:40:15 IGNTNUNLMTD: he got a $10,000 server Jul 25 17:40:15 right Jul 25 17:40:20 but i agree Jul 25 17:40:26 yeah I know, but still Jul 25 17:40:27 lol Jul 25 17:40:31 lol Jul 25 17:40:40 olo Jul 25 17:40:45 sadly, I've got a few unreleased webos apps made Jul 25 17:40:50 but i lose ambition Jul 25 17:41:02 ergg, enyo is making me mad Jul 25 17:41:04 my latest venture has more potential for me, though Jul 25 17:41:05 how many more times than that has his work paid for it in terms of people who have stayed on/joined webOS? Jul 25 17:41:24 yeah Jul 25 17:41:25 a lot more than $10k worth, I'll bet you that Jul 25 17:41:29 LOL Jul 25 17:41:31 matbee: you do android/bbery? Jul 25 17:41:35 yeah Jul 25 17:41:38 why BB? Jul 25 17:41:42 just, why? Jul 25 17:41:44 android is Java/XML? Jul 25 17:41:46 why? I'm canadian, and we support bb Jul 25 17:41:49 yeah Jul 25 17:42:04 my company used to build exclusively BB apps Jul 25 17:42:04 in canada, bb's are huge Jul 25 17:42:07 arg.. I don't want to do java.. Jul 25 17:42:08 now no clients want them Jul 25 17:42:14 Java is excellent Jul 25 17:42:14 matbee: what is bb? Jul 25 17:42:17 blackberry Jul 25 17:42:19 just not for bb Jul 25 17:42:22 ^ coding language I mean :) Jul 25 17:42:25 Java Jul 25 17:42:26 java Jul 25 17:42:29 its like, a hacked apart java Jul 25 17:42:35 i have a java book in my closet Jul 25 17:42:38 :'( Jul 25 17:42:40 think of all the useful libraries you could use, now remove them Jul 25 17:42:44 rofl Jul 25 17:42:45 but i never read books in my closet Jul 25 17:42:48 hahaha Jul 25 17:42:54 lol Jul 25 17:42:58 like what specifically? Jul 25 17:43:00 now.. to figure out how to make my app on bb Jul 25 17:43:03 what did they take out? Jul 25 17:43:06 String.replace Jul 25 17:43:09 ... Jul 25 17:43:12 are you shitting me? Jul 25 17:43:15 no Jul 25 17:43:19 String.format Jul 25 17:43:26 no wonder they're going down the tubes Jul 25 17:43:27 =O Jul 25 17:43:31 jeez Jul 25 17:43:42 you actually have to write the logic yourself Jul 25 17:43:44 matbee: don't forget how sockets are opened Jul 25 17:43:47 * PatrickC knows neither of those Jul 25 17:43:47 * azakus shudders Jul 25 17:43:49 oh, and, sockets Jul 25 17:43:49 omg Jul 25 17:43:55 horrid, horrid beast Jul 25 17:44:04 what a crippled platform Jul 25 17:44:06 and gps Jul 25 17:44:07 like, I knew it was bad Jul 25 17:44:09 but damn Jul 25 17:44:11 what a god wful mess Jul 25 17:44:16 chuqui: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&start=25 any updates? Jul 25 17:44:24 gps never works Jul 25 17:44:28 yeah Jul 25 17:44:33 chuqui also ping Jul 25 17:44:41 my moms bb's Sprint Nav is horrid Jul 25 17:44:43 "hey the gps works in the simulator" ... "not on this device... but it works on that device." Jul 25 17:45:15 but seriously, doing anything that a 'smartphone' should be able to do, it takes huge amounts of code Jul 25 17:45:27 sign of a bad API Jul 25 17:45:30 Adora also also ping Jul 25 17:45:31 oh god Jul 25 17:45:34 and code signing Jul 25 17:45:41 lol, it just never ends Jul 25 17:45:43 if you move computers, you need to either copy over your keys or get new ones Jul 25 17:45:55 AtomicPlayboy: pong Jul 25 17:45:58 and if you get the password wrong 3x, you need new keys Jul 25 17:46:01 and new signing keys take days Jul 25 17:46:20 and sometimes never Jul 25 17:46:30 PatrickC: nothing significant to update, no. Jul 25 17:46:36 ok Jul 25 17:46:45 stay away from blackberry development. Jul 25 17:46:48 OH AND~! Jul 25 17:47:23 if you do device testing, (sometiems) each time you want to test the app, it uninstalls it --- this means you have to reboot the device -- and then installs it when it boots up (10 minutes later) Jul 25 17:47:56 ugg Jul 25 17:48:09 and if you change -anything- in a class, you have to restart the device AND/or the simulator Jul 25 17:48:13 haha Jul 25 17:48:21 it's absolute hell Jul 25 17:48:38 matbee: I know about that testing issue; I did QA on our company's apps last summer Jul 25 17:48:39 but, I gotta admit, I've made some pretty damn sexy apps with it Jul 25 17:48:57 http://twitpic.com/5vbvf9 haha Jul 25 17:49:50 PatrickC, one problem... I'd rather pay $1000 less to only have to do 3 more steps to get wifi working Jul 25 17:50:14 * AtomicPlayboy paid $0 for his MBP Jul 25 17:50:24 Mac: For an extra $1,000, you get less steps to get on Wifi! Jul 25 17:50:29 nothxkthx Jul 25 17:51:18 but anyway Jul 25 17:51:39 Seriously, I'm SO done with Mac Jul 25 17:51:43 * PatrickC hasn't heard back about macbook Jul 25 17:51:57 * halfhalo shall be buying a 13" MBA soon enough Jul 25 17:51:59 the only thing keeping me from leaving is Coda Jul 25 17:52:20 and the fact that my top-spec MBP is only a year old Jul 25 17:52:23 textmate ftw Jul 25 17:52:26 wait, Coda? Jul 25 17:52:30 Coda what? Jul 25 17:52:31 yeah Jul 25 17:52:40 oh, the web dev thing Jul 25 17:52:50 the best web development app ever designed Jul 25 17:52:54 no contest Jul 25 17:53:07 not http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ Jul 25 17:53:19 ah Jul 25 17:53:27 I've fallen in love with Sublime Text 2 Jul 25 17:54:00 If my NodeJS on webos doesn't get updated to 0.4/0.5, I'm going to lose it Jul 25 17:54:48 no, this: http://www.panic.com/coda/ Jul 25 17:55:02 What is "10% loyalty discount" ? Jul 25 17:57:33 I wish we could release nodejs services on 0.4 and force each device to update it Jul 25 17:57:40 guh Jul 25 17:57:49 hotdp: it's for having an app in the cat for 2+ yrs Jul 25 17:57:51 or allow app sandboxing Jul 25 17:58:06 fxspec06: is the app cat 2 years old? Jul 25 17:58:12 I guess it is around now? Jul 25 17:58:50 yeah, it definitely is. because i remember having this discussion around july 1st Jul 25 17:59:04 but it gets older every day Jul 25 17:59:14 :/ Jul 25 17:59:31 I have to wait i bit, is there a way to see when you uploaded the first version ? Jul 25 17:59:34 Does anyone here use "The weather outside" app? Jul 25 17:59:35 :P Jul 25 18:00:45 i use the weather channel app just like 1,563 other people Jul 25 18:01:11 I'm trying to get some actual opinion Jul 25 18:01:19 someone reviewed it, and used my actual name Jul 25 18:01:29 is it for touchpad only? Jul 25 18:01:42 oh i see it Jul 25 18:02:10 its quite simple Jul 25 18:02:18 i got tired of having to search for the temperature outside Jul 25 18:02:25 Looks like the loaner prog went live Jul 25 18:02:26 so i made it myself Jul 25 18:02:34 Hopefully the send devices soon Jul 25 18:03:20 yeah it is simple definitely! rather intuitive Jul 25 18:03:42 i'd like a 10 day forcast and then i can remove the weather channel app Jul 25 18:03:49 10 day? Jul 25 18:03:50 hmm Jul 25 18:03:59 I found that i had nearly no need for that, so I didn't bother Jul 25 18:04:08 or Jul 25 18:04:15 i don't even need 10 day Jul 25 18:04:23 just do like, a day / night temp Jul 25 18:04:33 add like a 'tonight' box Jul 25 18:04:58 I figured the 'high/low' would take care of that Jul 25 18:05:27 but, yeah, i agree Jul 25 18:05:49 arg Jul 25 18:05:54 macbook sold Jul 25 18:06:03 You ebaying a macbook? Jul 25 18:06:28 craigslist Jul 25 18:06:28 PatrickC: Did u get a coupon yet Jul 25 18:06:34 ctladvance: no... Jul 25 18:06:49 PatrickC: nooooooo! you shoulda got it right away Jul 25 18:06:56 Looks like the loaner prog is live finally. Jul 25 18:07:01 I should have called Jul 25 18:07:05 instead of emailing Jul 25 18:07:07 yeah Jul 25 18:07:11 :'( Jul 25 18:07:13 always call when you see good deals Jul 25 18:07:20 I have an update to my weather app that supports other languages, but, i just don't have the ambition to update it atm Jul 25 18:07:39 there's an air, i5 3.6, 4gb ram, 900 hdd for $330 Jul 25 18:07:40 I have to translate the words "high/low/conditions" to the languages Jul 25 18:07:46 i'm still on my self-vacation for a couple days Jul 25 18:08:02 I want a touchpad weather app that 1) doesn't look and perform link shit and 2) has no ads. Best so far is the weather pane in Glimpse. Seriously. Jul 25 18:08:02 so, I think I'm going to release an update that just tracks to see what languages the devices are running, and support those languages Jul 25 18:08:08 Anyone?: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16709 Jul 25 18:08:38 twbbas: sorry Jul 25 18:08:40 no clue Jul 25 18:09:27 I don't do enyo Jul 25 18:09:45 but I'd start by dumping everything I could about the variable this.$["Stage1"] Jul 25 18:09:52 or this.$ Jul 25 18:10:17 I did that and nothing seems wrong Jul 25 18:10:47 well, this.$["Stage1"] is undefined Jul 25 18:11:12 and stage1 is actually an array of "pane" Jul 25 18:11:23 so this.$["pane"]["Stage1"] ? Jul 25 18:11:36 array of pane = array in pane Jul 25 18:11:59 someone tell me that there is no such thing as a i5 3.6ghz macbook air Jul 25 18:12:03 with 900gb hard drive Jul 25 18:12:08 oh there is Jul 25 18:12:14 for $330 Jul 25 18:12:15 there is no such thing? Jul 25 18:12:20 not for 330 Jul 25 18:12:21 lol Jul 25 18:12:23 matbee: still same error Jul 25 18:12:38 well, this.$["pane"] ... what does this return? Jul 25 18:12:54 does it exist? Jul 25 18:13:13 matbee: It returns "enyo.Pane" Jul 25 18:13:21 hmm Jul 25 18:13:57 this.$["Stage1"] returns enyo.Control Jul 25 18:14:07 It it supposed to return the name "Stage1" instead of the kind? Jul 25 18:14:14 same with pane Jul 25 18:14:42 ahhh Jul 25 18:14:55 so you are getting a control Jul 25 18:16:26 createComponent is inherited from Enyo.Component Jul 25 18:16:29 not enyo.Control, right? Jul 25 18:16:49 twbbas: paneviews are lazy Jul 25 18:16:55 Yeah but enyo.Control inherits stuff from enyo.Component right? Jul 25 18:17:04 azakus: Why are they lazy? Jul 25 18:17:07 hmmm Jul 25 18:17:20 performance optimization Jul 25 18:17:36 azakus: I'm optimizing performance by using my panes. The way I was doing it before was laggy. Jul 25 18:18:41 azakus: I load 16 different image components in each pane and position them/set properties according to a data file. I'm going to make it load them all at the start of the app instead of loading it each time they change to a different Stage. Jul 25 18:18:47 why not, this.createComponent({name: "Stage1"}, {owner: this.$.pane}); Jul 25 18:18:54 is that... not what you're doing? Jul 25 18:19:17 oh wait nvm Jul 25 18:19:25 panes CAN be lazy Jul 25 18:19:29 not by default Jul 25 18:19:41 matbee: I'll try that but it's much cleaner to do it in the actual components block of the main kind Jul 25 18:19:46 yeah Jul 25 18:19:55 its all fxspec06's fault I lost the macbook Jul 25 18:20:06 lol Jul 25 18:21:04 matbee: Same error. Can't call createComponent of undefined Jul 25 18:21:49 twbbas: Jul 25 18:21:53 I've been stuck on this all weekend Jul 25 18:21:56 you overwrode ready function? Jul 25 18:22:11 do you call this.inherited(arguments) first? Jul 25 18:22:43 azakus: I've tried that but that's called in the create() function which is called before ready() Jul 25 18:23:01 huh? Jul 25 18:23:10 There's a create() and a ready() Jul 25 18:23:13 yes Jul 25 18:23:22 create() is called before ready() and create has the this.inherited(arguments) Jul 25 18:23:31 I just tried adding that line into my ready() too and it didn't fix anything Jul 25 18:23:42 this.inherited(arguments) is enyo's version of Java's super() Jul 25 18:23:46 you can call it anywhere Jul 25 18:24:07 I don't know Java. But since it's already called in the create() function, it doesn't need it in the ready(), correct? Jul 25 18:24:11 yes Jul 25 18:24:28 you're calling the superclass's ready function() Jul 25 18:24:42 It's called automatically Jul 25 18:24:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQge_Yn-SLM&feature=youtu.be i don't know what to say Jul 25 18:24:48 no it isn't Jul 25 18:24:50 you're over-writing it Jul 25 18:25:00 I don't have any code anywhere that calls it though Jul 25 18:25:54 you're replacing the super-class's ready function, and it seems like it has necessary instructions within it, so you must need to call the super classes ready function first Jul 25 18:25:56 maybe..? Jul 25 18:26:08 within your ready function Jul 25 18:26:10 How would I go about doing that? Jul 25 18:27:16 hm Jul 25 18:28:09 hmm, not sure if ready needs an override actually Jul 25 18:28:21 or rather, an inherited call Jul 25 18:28:43 it is called by the constructor but it doesn't do anything itself Jul 25 18:29:09 I just use it because it is automatically called and I want my components to be created once the pane is done being created. Jul 25 18:29:28 hmm Jul 25 18:29:31 yeah Jul 25 18:29:45 it just seems like it's too early Jul 25 18:30:03 I've used it before relating to components and styling created components Jul 25 18:30:09 So I know it can't be too early Jul 25 18:30:18 that totally depends on the control Jul 25 18:30:24 popups will bite you there Jul 25 18:30:27 since they're lazy Jul 25 18:30:39 Yeah but this isn't a popup Jul 25 18:33:44 quad core i7 Jul 25 18:33:46 * PatrickC drools Jul 25 18:34:36 call this.$.pane.validateView("Stage1") first Jul 25 18:34:45 just to make sure it's created first Jul 25 18:34:51 only $1,800 Jul 25 18:35:30 azakus: I get the same error and it returns "enyo.Control" Jul 25 18:35:41 So it seems to already be created Jul 25 18:36:17 Lulz quad cores Jul 25 18:36:59 my friend just picked up his samsung galaxy s 2 Jul 25 18:37:01 dual core 1.2ghz Jul 25 18:37:12 super light Jul 25 18:37:43 dual cores of DOOOOM Jul 25 18:37:56 is, "Dave J" someone from here? Jul 25 18:39:25 no idea Jul 25 18:40:59 what's sugardave's last name? Jul 25 18:41:13 first name: sugar Jul 25 18:41:17 last name: dave Jul 25 18:41:49 haha Jul 25 18:42:48 haha Jul 25 18:42:51 PatrickC Jul 25 18:42:54 first name Pa Jul 25 18:42:59 last name TrickC Jul 25 18:43:01 Tricksy Jul 25 18:43:10 u a hoebag patrickc Jul 25 18:43:15 trixie Jul 25 18:43:19 umm.. no? lol Jul 25 18:43:34 twbbas: I tried the same thing and it's working for me Jul 25 18:43:36 fxspec06's name could be taken different ways if rearanged :) Jul 25 18:43:38 * halfhalo yawns Jul 25 18:43:50 can you do a pastebin or something? Jul 25 18:44:14 Yeah sure, One second Jul 25 18:45:06 someone tell PatrickC that is extremely easy to put a new processor in a computer Jul 25 18:46:27 unless its a laptop Jul 25 18:46:31 then your screwed Jul 25 18:46:37 most of the time Jul 25 18:47:36 (as long as it's not soldiered to the mobo), it is a 10 min process Jul 25 18:47:40 PatrickC, it's not extremely easy to put a new processor in a new computer. despite what fxspec06 says. Jul 25 18:47:45 :P Jul 25 18:48:12 The one thing I -want- to change in a laptop is the gpu Jul 25 18:48:14 but that ain't happenin Jul 25 18:48:22 omg, no way is that happenin Jul 25 18:48:27 not in mine anyways. Jul 25 18:50:04 * halfhalo can stick a new gpu in one of his laptops easily Jul 25 18:50:51 azakus: The part that wasn't working is now working. I had a new createComponent down below in the ready() function and at some point the first createComponent started working but the 2nd one still wasn't. Jul 25 18:51:05 In other words, you're right... it works fine now Jul 25 18:51:05 interesting Jul 25 18:51:10 I don't know what fixed it though Jul 25 18:51:14 is the second one on Stage2? Jul 25 18:51:38 No, it's based around the components that I added in the first createComponent Jul 25 18:51:49 I gotta look at it now since I haven't really looked at it yet Jul 25 18:51:53 ah Jul 25 18:51:56 Thanks for you help though! Jul 25 18:51:57 owner problem? Jul 25 18:52:01 Possibly Jul 25 18:52:14 might be in Stage1.$ Jul 25 18:52:15 I wish I knew what ended up fixing my problem >.> Jul 25 18:52:25 np for the help though Jul 25 18:52:50 NFL LOCKOUT IS OVER Jul 25 18:52:58 what lockout Jul 25 18:53:08 the NFL one Jul 25 18:53:12 my company might be getting a contract to do the mobile app for the colts Jul 25 18:53:36 matbee: what company? Jul 25 18:54:14 www.evolusent.biz Jul 25 18:55:45 you get any perks from LG/Samsung/TomTom/etc. ? Jul 25 18:56:04 yeah, we're getting free 3dtv's Jul 25 18:56:21 :p Jul 25 18:56:25 cool! Jul 25 18:56:31 you on this page? :) http://www.evolusent.biz/?page_id=23 Jul 25 18:56:57 nah, the page hasn't been updated in a while Jul 25 18:57:06 we're doing a photo shoot soon Jul 25 18:57:13 cool Jul 25 18:57:31 seems like a big company Jul 25 18:58:53 bbl Jul 25 19:01:33 not really Jul 25 19:02:08 Whee Jul 25 19:02:19 Just made my Pre 2 freeze by running an accelerometer + canvas thinger on it :P Jul 25 19:06:18 the part I like working in R&D is that I get to play with gadgets and new tech all the time Jul 25 19:06:30 im doing a lot of html5 stuff now Jul 25 19:09:14 That's what I loved about contracting at Nokia =) Jul 25 19:10:32 Although I do a lot of interesting new tech stuff now (working at a social web startup), I don't really get to play with gadgets :D Jul 25 19:10:55 matbee: where do you do R&D? Jul 25 19:15:05 does anyone know if it's possible to bypass an invalid security certificate for a site in webos? Jul 25 19:15:23 or to add the certificate to the accepted list? Jul 25 19:15:46 summatusmentis, look up :P Jul 25 19:15:57 Ive tried to get them to do webos, but they wont :P Jul 25 19:17:24 pretty cool though, working on r&d, getting my name on patents Jul 25 19:18:48 matbee: oooh Jul 25 19:18:52 I can't read Jul 25 19:19:02 haha Jul 25 19:46:10 Hah, did a small app to draw a graph from accelerometer data Jul 25 19:46:33 I couldn't get my cheapo speakers to give it enough oomph for it to show so had a go in my car Jul 25 19:46:36 That worked Jul 25 19:46:36 :D Jul 25 19:46:56 eh? Jul 25 19:47:07 Oh I just wanted to make it shake :P Jul 25 19:47:13 ooohhh Jul 25 19:47:18 yeah a subwoofer would do it Jul 25 19:47:37 it seems pretty noisey in general even if it's lying flat on a desk though Jul 25 19:50:45 i would love to try that w/ my SVS Jul 25 19:51:20 Did this sort of thinger to graph the accelerometer data http://admins.fi/~eagleeye/chart.html Jul 25 19:51:29 open in Chrome, move mouse left and right Jul 25 19:51:33 the little chart goes up and down nicely Jul 25 19:51:47 copypaste code, replace with data from accelerometer Jul 25 19:51:48 =) Jul 25 19:52:21 oh so Jul 25 19:52:36 f(x) + f(y) Jul 25 19:52:46 pretty much Jul 25 19:58:09 * halfhalo-work had a broken HD. tis all better now Jul 25 20:46:52 Sorry for flooding :) Jul 25 21:00:00 PatrickC: I found this while googling information/leaks on the netflix app for the TouchPad. http://developer.netflix.com/forum/read/112853 Jul 25 21:00:01 what flooding Jul 25 21:00:32 what's that? some guy who wants to mak ean app? :P Jul 25 21:00:51 It must look worse on my device Jul 25 21:01:14 twbbas: :) Jul 25 21:02:14 netflix would need to port their drm to webOS and a playback api would almost certainly not be open to third parties Jul 25 21:02:41 * halfhalo-work yells NEEEEEETTTTTTTTFFFFLLLLIIIIIXXXXX Jul 25 21:04:31 * akanster has netflix on his Android phone Jul 25 21:04:53 PatrickC: I found your app channel Jul 25 21:05:01 huh? Jul 25 21:05:06 #awesome-apps Jul 25 21:05:10 hah Jul 25 21:05:11 haha* Jul 25 21:05:16 how? Jul 25 21:05:24 From the site listed on your Netflix profile Jul 25 21:05:43 ah Jul 25 21:05:49 awesomeapps.weebly.com ? Jul 25 21:06:00 yep Jul 25 21:08:19 lol Jul 25 21:08:27 looks horrible.. doesn't it.. Jul 25 21:08:39 http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/home is my new site .. Jul 25 21:09:11 cms is much nicer :) Jul 25 21:10:12 srsly Jul 25 21:10:18 it's like wat Jul 25 21:10:26 10 bucks a year for a domain with a cheap plan? Jul 25 21:10:26 :P Jul 25 21:10:31 :) Jul 25 21:10:40 I am sticking to free stuff for now Jul 25 21:10:47 saving up for macbook/touchpad Jul 25 21:11:38 ah.. removed the need for /home Jul 25 21:11:40 uhh that site worked for a second and now it doesn't Jul 25 21:11:50 it wont Jul 25 21:11:51 free host Jul 25 21:11:55 I removed the /home Jul 25 21:12:03 its now http://awesomeapps.8tar.com Jul 25 21:12:13 Page Not Found Jul 25 21:12:14 No page could be found at this address. Jul 25 21:12:39 http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/ works for me Jul 25 21:14:57 twbbas: I see the error now Jul 25 21:18:31 ugg... its broke Jul 25 21:21:07 gotta remove/reinstall Jul 25 21:28:40 android 2.3 has been out for what, 6-8 months now - and still less than 20% of the market? Jul 25 21:31:03 the sad part isn't that, it's the number of devices that still come out with older versions Jul 25 21:31:24 crazy. again, carriers suck. Jul 25 21:33:57 yes Jul 25 21:34:10 like verizon pre2 still on 2.0...seriously? Jul 25 21:34:52 I thought it was upgraded to 2.1 a while ago Jul 25 21:35:01 with meta-doctor, yes Jul 25 21:35:08 no Jul 25 21:35:11 actual update Jul 25 21:35:12 not from the carrier Jul 25 21:35:19 I think the unlocked one was, but not Verizon Jul 25 21:35:21 no incentive for them to upgrade. want you to buy a new phone and contract for new features. Jul 25 21:35:36 rwatkins: manufacturers too are to blame. Jul 25 21:36:03 the unlocked pre2 has had it since march Jul 25 21:36:04 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/verizon-palm-pre-2-gets-its-webos-2-1-wings/ Jul 25 21:36:13 Samsung drags their feet when it comes to upgrading Jul 25 21:36:37 akanster: I'm sure the manufacturer would do it if anyone was willing to pay for the cost. Jul 25 21:37:01 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/285743-verizon-pre2-2-1-update-out-10.html Jul 25 21:37:32 still not out, that was a fake report that got faithfully parrotted across the web Jul 25 21:37:50 2.x is dead to me. Jul 25 21:38:11 my pre2 is dead... Jul 25 21:38:57 what did you do to it? Jul 25 21:39:08 tried to put a sprint comms board in it Jul 25 21:39:24 then had to master reset it, and then have had trouble ever since Jul 25 21:39:27 and? Jul 25 21:39:35 ah Jul 25 21:39:52 it activated fine the first time (w/o data) and then we master reset it, to try and fix data Jul 25 21:40:05 now no matter what phone the comms board is in, it seems to be broke Jul 25 21:40:08 bring it into tech support, would love to see thier reaction. Jul 25 21:40:15 haha Jul 25 21:40:20 I almost did Jul 25 21:40:29 * PatrickC might be a sprint tech soon... Jul 25 21:40:46 does not bode well for sprint if you zorched your own phone. Jul 25 21:41:00 I bought a broke pre off ebay for $15 Jul 25 21:41:10 I would never touch a phone I rely on Jul 25 21:41:20 more broke than you thought ;) Jul 25 21:41:33 the phone didn't ever properly provision, it had a broke touchscreen (original sprint pre) Jul 25 21:41:40 so I couldn't do anything w/ it Jul 25 21:41:41 and we're talking about you touching other people's phones ;) Jul 25 21:41:54 lol Jul 25 21:42:20 http://www.precentral.net/webos-2-1-update-finally-lands-verizon-pre-2 Jul 25 21:42:26 that link work for anyone? Jul 25 21:42:29 everything worked perfectly, till the master reset Jul 25 21:42:41 RagingMind: yes Jul 25 21:44:34 I get a weird server error when I try to load it Jul 25 21:48:10 * PatrickC is thinking of getting one of the craigslist apps Jul 25 21:48:18 any suggestions on the best one? Jul 25 21:50:06 http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/2512698719.html lol Jul 25 21:50:09 not illegal at all Jul 25 21:51:33 PatrickC you find a macbook yet Jul 25 21:51:41 look at link Jul 25 21:52:22 I don't know if illegal is the proper term for that...but questionable at best works for me Jul 25 21:52:38 uhm Jul 25 21:52:52 if it doesn't come w/ a snow leopard cd Jul 25 21:53:00 Loudergood: its illegal according to Apple's EULA Jul 25 21:53:01 then it is pirated OS Jul 25 21:53:19 they state that OS X must be installed on *apple hw* only Jul 25 21:53:22 EULA != law Jul 25 21:53:31 breach of contract, sure Jul 25 21:53:38 of course...where did I sign? Jul 25 21:53:46 all it means is apple won't support it Jul 25 21:53:56 EULA law is muddy for sure Jul 25 21:54:24 so I could install it on my desktop, and its *not* breaking the law? Jul 25 21:54:24 and we all love apple support Jul 25 21:54:51 make sure you buy the disc, and then it's still questionable Jul 25 21:55:24 owned macs 11+ yrs, used support ... once. Jul 25 21:55:42 defective nvidia card, known defect, got it replaced. done. Jul 25 21:55:47 yeah I can't say I've ever called microsoft support Jul 25 21:56:08 hardware though, I can understand Jul 25 21:58:13 microsoft supports gotta be what really sucks. 40 bazillon hardare devices and configurations to support. apples only has to manage problems they created themselves. Jul 25 21:58:14 PatrickC: that's a single core processor btw Jul 25 21:58:34 fxspec06: I wasn't serious about buying it.. Jul 25 21:58:39 well, their server support is awesome Jul 25 21:58:40 oh, noah sent me the IPK Jul 25 21:58:54 "why doesnt that work?" because your card vendor wrote a craptastic driver. Jul 25 21:58:56 oh really? because i honestly think you should be Jul 25 21:59:00 I've heard of them staying on the phone over 24 hours straight to solve a problem Jul 25 21:59:17 fxspec06: I'm gonna get an official macbook Jul 25 21:59:30 apples server support "uh, yea, we decided to stop building those. *click*" Jul 25 21:59:45 good luck getting one for $300. if you see a deal, jump on it like a hound Jul 25 21:59:47 their warranty amuses me Jul 25 21:59:51 I'm watching some friends dogs.. for a *month* I should make money from that Jul 25 21:59:58 * Loudergood paid $250 for his mini Jul 25 22:00:27 you may want to watch them for a couple months Jul 25 22:00:42 bought it from a cult member... Jul 25 22:00:44 lol Jul 25 22:00:52 ha Jul 25 22:01:31 said his name was Yeshua Jul 25 22:02:03 wanted to buy me lunch over at their deli after the sale and have a chat Jul 25 22:02:03 Yeshua Sugly Jul 25 22:02:06 I assume you ment "Cult of Jobs" aka "oooh ooh, shiney new model, need to sell previous 6 week old one" Jul 25 22:03:57 actually no, a real cult Jul 25 22:04:09 not on the extremely nuts side, just the slightly nuts side Jul 25 22:04:31 they own half the businesses in that town Jul 25 22:07:51 wow Jul 25 22:10:28 wow Jul 25 22:10:33 Cloud Memos is amazing Jul 25 22:13:48 PatrickC: also keep in mind the batteries on those macbooks are not replacable.. Jul 25 22:14:40 so you may have a great laptop then start to use it and it only runs for 45 mins before it dies Jul 25 22:29:08 anyone ever made a vertical sliding pane? Jul 25 22:37:47 Tibfib: its been mentioned in the Forums but I dont think anyones converted the actual SlidingPane/View to work vertically Jul 25 22:37:59 hmmm, thanks Jul 25 22:39:03 you could also likley cheat and do something like the FB app and animate layout changes rather than an acutal SlidingPane/View Jul 25 22:39:32 I think the beauty of the SlidingPane is it will mostly "just work" on the phone devices. Jul 25 22:59:09 My images don't work Jul 25 23:02:05 Hello? Jul 25 23:02:41 webOSNewbie: you are going to have to be a lot more specific than that Jul 25 23:02:46 bbl Jul 25 23:03:04 I put in thhe tag, and nothing appears Jul 25 23:03:24 * webOSNewbie likes ginger snaps Jul 25 23:06:16 Why doesn't work in webOS? Jul 25 23:08:16 ummm.... it does? Jul 25 23:08:22 HP, next webos phone should have bluetooth 4 Jul 25 23:08:33 How do I make it work? Jul 25 23:09:26 ... Jul 25 23:10:50 oops Jul 25 23:11:04 I just used /images/image.jpg Jul 25 23:12:20 * webOSNewbie is trying that Jul 25 23:14:32 Jul 25 23:14:36 doesn't work Jul 25 23:17:31 webOSNewbie: is it actually that exact line in the code? Jul 25 23:17:39 yes Jul 25 23:17:44 because that's a malformed url Jul 25 23:17:51 haha Jul 25 23:17:55 http://images/ Jul 25 23:17:55 what do I use? Jul 25 23:18:03 where is the image? Jul 25 23:18:12 images Jul 25 23:18:13 Mojo? Jul 25 23:18:16 yes Jul 25 23:18:30 Mojo.appPath gives you your application path Jul 25 23:18:39 so... Jul 25 23:18:43 so Mojo.appPath + "/images/..." Jul 25 23:18:49 thanks Jul 25 23:18:54 or just "images/..." Jul 25 23:19:02 or that Jul 25 23:19:10 wait Jul 25 23:19:16 * webOSNewbie tries images/ Jul 25 23:19:19 r u sure? Jul 25 23:19:21 the relative path should work Jul 25 23:19:29 i have a feeling it might not Jul 25 23:19:32 let me verify Jul 25 23:19:36 Jul 25 23:19:36 * webOSNewbie has tried Jul 25 23:19:55 twbbas: create() and ready() are already methods of enyo kinds. When you add those functions to your kind, you're overwriting the default methods, so you have to call this.inherited(arguments) any time you add create() or ready() or destroy()? to your kind. Jul 25 23:19:58 i know it won't work for certain things Jul 25 23:20:17 haeffb: ready is defined, but empty Jul 25 23:20:24 so no need for this.inherited Jul 25 23:20:30 you're telling enyo, here's a ready() function. Run this, and then run the default ready() stuff Jul 25 23:20:56 * haeffb speaking in general Jul 25 23:21:05 haeffb: I ended up not using the ready() function because the slows down the loading of the app. I want to have the app load just as fast but run all my code for creating components while viewing the splash screen. That way I can have a progress bar. Jul 25 23:21:08 * webOSNewbie thanks twbbas Jul 25 23:21:20 webOSNewbie: No problem Jul 25 23:21:32 how do you do that? Jul 25 23:21:47 just trying to explain why you need to add this.inherited(arguments) whenever you add ready() or create() or destroy() or whatever methods... Jul 25 23:22:01 nevermind Jul 25 23:22:07 something else Jul 25 23:22:09 But isn't this.inherited(arguments) not matter if it's already in the create() function? Jul 25 23:22:19 doesn't* Jul 25 23:22:34 you have to add it to each ready(), create(), etc. Jul 25 23:22:43 ok, thanks Jul 25 23:22:52 run this code, and then run the inherited "ready" code Jul 25 23:23:18 and you can place it in your ready before or after your code, depending on when you want the default stuff to run Jul 25 23:23:30 matbee_, webOSNewbie: src="images/..." should work: example - Jul 25 23:23:32 ok, gotcha Jul 25 23:23:50 I know Jul 25 23:24:42 webOSNewbie: What app are you working on? or are you just trying out various things trying to learn mojo? Jul 25 23:25:30 Hrm, so we get the TouchPad on the 15th and get slugged a $100 AU tax. Jul 25 23:25:35 boom Jul 25 23:25:39 speaking of that Jul 25 23:25:45 * webOSNewbie is just transfering HTML to an app Jul 25 23:25:51 has anyone gotten TouchPad dev discount coupons? Jul 25 23:26:04 funkatron: Not yet. Still waiting for my "15 days" to end Jul 25 23:26:04 where can you get those? Jul 25 23:26:22 twbbas: I guess there's a 15 day minimum? Jul 25 23:26:36 funkatron: Yeah, did you get the email saying that they'll contact you in 15 days? Jul 25 23:26:59 mmm no, I was working directly with my dev acct repo at HP Jul 25 23:27:09 I htink I'll ping her Jul 25 23:27:16 oh Jul 25 23:27:19 I can't help but be a bit cheesed off when 1AUD = 1.08USD, yet the 16GB TouchPad is 599AUD/499.99USD. Jul 25 23:27:23 People that emailed the dev program email address got that email Jul 25 23:27:24 How do you get a discount? Jul 25 23:27:33 webOSNewbie: it's on the dev site Jul 25 23:27:49 What do I need to qualify? Jul 25 23:28:02 webOSNewbie: it explains all that on the site 8) Jul 25 23:29:01 What does an app need to qualify? Jul 25 23:29:18 webOSNewbie: read the site Jul 25 23:29:29 I don't see where it is Jul 25 23:29:37 developer.palm.com Jul 25 23:29:39 I don't think it says anywhere on there what a "qualifying app" is Jul 25 23:29:51 https://developer.palm.com/content/community/hp_webos_developer_benefits.html Jul 25 23:29:51 * twbbas couldn't find it Jul 25 23:30:38 Well, this much is certain - if I get a TouchPad I'm importing it rather than getting it locally. Jul 25 23:31:22 Do I need to be older to get a Developer account? Jul 25 23:31:25 * webOSNewbie is 12 Jul 25 23:34:24 rwhitby: It is actually worse than a $100 crossing the Pacific tax - Amazon's price for the 32GB model is 554USD (~511AUD at the moment) vs 699AUD local RRP. Jul 25 23:35:04 Do I need to be older to get a Developer account? Jul 25 23:35:49 And people wonder why Australians parallel import. Jul 25 23:35:55 Do I need to be older to get a Developer account? Jul 25 23:37:44 webOSNewbie: i don't think so Jul 25 23:37:50 but don't quote me on that :) Jul 25 23:41:57 webOSNewbie: no, but you may need to be more mature. Or at least more patient. Jul 25 23:42:29 you will need to have a PayPal account, though Jul 25 23:42:38 and a SSN Jul 25 23:43:12 Hendikins: RRP vs RRP Jul 25 23:45:46 rwhitby: Even then, with the exchange rate it is still a >$100 tax. Jul 25 23:45:59 haha Jul 25 23:46:48 32GB at RRP with the current exchange rate is ~553AUD. Jul 25 23:47:14 And 16GB is about 461AUD Jul 25 23:47:51 Adora: Really? wait a week or more for updates to process because y'all broke the app submission portal? Jul 25 23:50:38 and I can't add phone-sized screenshots to the submittal, since it's marked as 3.0 only by the portal...? Jul 25 23:51:02 So, what shows up in the phone app catalog? Jul 25 23:52:05 * haeffb joins the growing chorus of people who wonder why changes to the portal, etc, can't be tested on...say...a test server. Jul 25 23:52:19 haeffb: it wouldn't be as much fun Jul 25 23:52:43 rather than breaking the tools that your developers are relying on to develop apps for a platform that...really...needs...apps Jul 25 23:52:56 Jul 25 23:53:05 Jul 25 23:53:10 http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/7431748.jpg Jul 25 23:53:41 ok, gotta admit, HP/Palm does have some of the most interesting people in the world Jul 25 23:54:18 lol Jul 25 23:55:03 man, i hate seeing my app rating go down at work and not know why haha Jul 25 23:56:17 well, until tomorrow... Jul 25 23:56:18 adios Jul 26 00:03:33 Flashpass_work: my best selling app has a 1 rating... Jul 26 00:10:51 did someone mention that there where changes to app portal? my app numbers have gone down... Jul 26 00:12:02 LoneStar99: oh yeah, which app is yours? Jul 26 00:14:51 Flashpass_work: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.bobchatter.vox Jul 26 00:14:57 what does failed transactions mean Jul 26 00:15:37 LoneStar99: ah nice Jul 26 00:15:39 how can someone download my app and the transaction fail ? Jul 26 00:17:13 fxspec06: I've been wondering that same thing for a while now Jul 26 00:17:21 fxspec06: A lot of my downloads are failed Jul 26 00:17:35 like do those translate to SALES?!?1 at some point? wtf are they? Jul 26 00:18:03 no idea Jul 26 00:18:10 but it sounds like they're giving our app away for free Jul 26 00:18:21 yeah, no shit Jul 26 00:18:28 I just can't imagine that many credit cards failing each day Jul 26 00:18:33 that's -exactly- what it sounds like Jul 26 00:18:35 compared to the amount of people that actually do buy it Jul 26 00:18:49 i have 16 failed transaction. SIXTEEN. in the first four days of my app being in the catalog. Jul 26 00:19:07 how. is. that. possible. Jul 26 00:19:26 on average, 50% or more of my downloads are failed transactions Jul 26 00:20:49 that's so misleading Jul 26 00:21:46 Is that enough patience? Jul 26 00:29:35 fxspec06: they are replaceable Jul 26 00:30:10 webOSNewbie: j/w how old are you? Jul 26 00:30:18 12 Jul 26 00:30:32 fxspec06: I didn't believe it at first.. :D Jul 26 00:30:44 webOSNewbie: didn't know anyone younger then me was on here Jul 26 00:30:58 I'd send a picture, but no webcam Jul 26 00:31:14 creepy Jul 26 00:32:26 I'd make an inappropriate joke, but there are children here Jul 26 00:32:31 lol Jul 26 00:32:39 Thanks Jul 26 00:32:45 webOSNewbie: most people in here are old.. like twbbas and fxspec06 Jul 26 00:32:48 * PatrickC ducks Jul 26 00:32:52 And me. Jul 26 00:33:00 lol Jul 26 00:33:05 Don't for get chuqui and Adora Jul 26 00:33:08 I got a computer at 18 months Jul 26 00:33:16 webOSNewbie: same here Jul 26 00:33:20 What are you, a science experiment? Jul 26 00:33:23 * twbbas isn't old Jul 26 00:33:28 I don't make fun of chuqui and Adora Jul 26 00:33:41 * webOSNewbie is the son of a former programmer Jul 26 00:33:58 Oh man, I'm sorry Jul 26 00:34:09 You have to grow up in their shadow Jul 26 00:34:13 Hey, you were close Jul 26 00:34:18 twbbas: I claim I'm not old too Jul 26 00:34:29 summatusmentis: I'm still a teenager! Jul 26 00:34:31 * AtomicPlayboy is 31 Jul 26 00:34:40 * PatrickC is the son of a robot designer Jul 26 00:34:43 well, barely a teenager Jul 26 00:34:43 guys, the download numbers are BROKEN and have been for a while. Don't trust them at the moment Jul 26 00:34:55 I thought that was already established Jul 26 00:34:55 * webOSNewbie thanks you Jul 26 00:34:55 haeffb: we know Jul 26 00:34:55 PatrickC: "son" Jul 26 00:34:57 * twbbas never trusts his download #s until the payment comes Jul 26 00:35:05 Adora: haha Jul 26 00:35:22 twbbas: young'n, not I Jul 26 00:35:26 Oh, didn't realize she was actually in the channel Jul 26 00:35:35 Ignore anything I said about you Adora <3 Jul 26 00:35:36 * PatrickC gives Palm till the 27th Jul 26 00:35:41 hahaha Jul 26 00:35:42 fxspec06: they are replaceable Jul 26 00:35:49 What did he say? Jul 26 00:35:57 what do you mean by that Jul 26 00:36:02 and i am old like rip van winkle Jul 26 00:36:08 lol Jul 26 00:36:09 nevermind Jul 26 00:36:20 fxspec06: macbook batteries are replaceable Jul 26 00:36:21 I said Adora and Chuq are "old" like me Jul 26 00:36:35 And then Adora showed up Jul 26 00:36:40 And I was like "oops" Jul 26 00:36:44 haha Jul 26 00:36:49 chuqui browses a lot too Jul 26 00:36:50 I saw an article about how someone found how he could hack into a MacBook battery Jul 26 00:36:53 oh i thought you meant like my app's failed transactions Jul 26 00:36:54 It's a different Adora, he swears! Jul 26 00:37:04 Yeah, there we go Jul 26 00:37:07 uh huh Jul 26 00:37:08 stupid Apple Jul 26 00:37:14 its Andora! Jul 26 00:37:17 didn't change default password on chip Jul 26 00:37:22 PatrickC: hahaha Jul 26 00:37:24 it's Androida again! Jul 26 00:37:26 learned i am a "brown belt" today... Jul 26 00:37:32 cool! Jul 26 00:37:32 Now can blow up MacBooks Jul 26 00:37:36 LoneStar99: Where did you find out? Jul 26 00:37:36 Andornota Jul 26 00:37:39 I still haven't learned anything Jul 26 00:37:45 Andromita Jul 26 00:37:50 What's the fourth gate? Jul 26 00:37:51 what? Jul 26 00:37:53 And, or, not Jul 26 00:37:56 Isn't there one more? Jul 26 00:38:01 Androitida Jul 26 00:38:01 xor Jul 26 00:38:02 no clue Jul 26 00:38:05 That's it Jul 26 00:38:05 Adora: see rant above Jul 26 00:38:11 Andornotxora Jul 26 00:38:12 There Jul 26 00:38:19 AtomicAdora Jul 26 00:38:25 OH god Jul 26 00:38:26 webOSNewbie: if you read the original article, you actually can't blow up macbooks Jul 26 00:38:32 burn Jul 26 00:38:32 haha Jul 26 00:38:36 big deal Jul 26 00:38:49 Andropermorphisorda Jul 26 00:38:54 webOSAdora Jul 26 00:39:11 got sent the info for the loaner devices. i can order up to 3 at once Jul 26 00:39:16 Andiwouldlikeasoda Jul 26 00:39:20 Meanwhile, her computer is going *ding* *ding* *ding* every three seconds Jul 26 00:39:26 lol Jul 26 00:39:32 hahaha Jul 26 00:39:37 adora is awesome Jul 26 00:39:45 what's adora Jul 26 00:39:49 or who Jul 26 00:39:53 adora is just somebody Jul 26 00:39:56 unimportant Jul 26 00:39:58 oh Jul 26 00:39:59 She's one of the developer relations folks at HP Jul 26 00:40:02 Nobody special Jul 26 00:40:07 Cool Jul 26 00:40:09 Now chuq, HE's the man Jul 26 00:40:15 I need to have dinner Jul 26 00:40:19 12 Jul 26 00:40:23 * webOSNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back Jul 26 00:40:37 Got myself a BNC. Now I'll be in this channel 24/7 Jul 26 00:40:44 A friend hooked me u Jul 26 00:40:46 up Jul 26 00:40:47 twbbas: cool Jul 26 00:40:50 what's a BNC Jul 26 00:40:56 twbbas: who's the friend? I need one Jul 26 00:40:58 an IRC bouncer Jul 26 00:41:02 IRC Bouncer Jul 26 00:41:04 ^ Jul 26 00:41:10 Basically, you connect to the BNC and it connects you to your server Jul 26 00:41:17 The BNC stays on the server Jul 26 00:41:22 bounce is a cool word Jul 26 00:41:24 even when you disconnect from the actual BNC Jul 26 00:41:33 I just use screen Jul 26 00:41:36 and it saves messages when you're away and stuff Jul 26 00:41:43 that's awesome Jul 26 00:41:46 Unfortunately I don't have a static server I can connect to 24/7 Jul 26 00:41:52 I need one Jul 26 00:42:00 I also just screen Jul 26 00:42:00 twbbas: can he hook me up? I can't get a bouncer working on my server Jul 26 00:42:01 There are free ones you can find online, just google them Jul 26 00:42:06 and I do have a static server Jul 26 00:42:10 PatrickC: I don't think so Jul 26 00:42:22 AtomicPlayboy: http://8tar.com and http://azuli.org Jul 26 00:42:24 twbbas: ok Jul 26 00:44:16 twbbas: so you have found no correlation b/t failed downloads and sales (or lost sales)? Jul 26 00:44:54 I actually have a shell account on a friend's server that's up 24/7 I should probably start using more Jul 26 00:45:00 In fact, it was created solely for that purpose Jul 26 00:45:32 fxspec06: I've never compared them with my monthly sales reports. I should do that. Jul 26 00:45:55 well if/when you decide to do, it would be cool to see what the findings are Jul 26 00:46:01 it doesn't have to be super scientific Jul 26 00:48:04 Yeah, I'll do that in a sec. Setting up my new BNC Jul 26 00:51:36 fxspec06: failed downloads are part of what's broken. Jul 26 00:52:05 Whenever I see "BNC" I think of the barrel connector Jul 26 00:52:27 the whole thing is just broken, wrong and should be ignored until it's fixed. Jul 26 00:53:21 hm okay Jul 26 00:53:38 so i guess just wait until i get paid Jul 26 00:53:49 (if i break the $100 barrier) Jul 26 00:54:38 haeffb: I've always had failed downloads making up most of my total downloads Jul 26 00:54:48 failed transactions* Jul 26 00:56:32 * haeffb assumes it's been broken since they started reporting failed transactions, et al. Jul 26 00:57:10 and the only way to check is to have an in-app way of checking sales/downloads/users. Jul 26 00:58:21 hrmmm Jul 26 00:58:30 that's not cool Jul 26 01:09:10 OTOH, twbbas, this chart is showing something interesting Jul 26 01:10:33 in 3 days i had 19 total downloads. this includes 3 updates/restores. of those 16 *new* downloads, there were 16 failed transactions. on day 4, there were 0 downloads. oddly, also, on day 4, there were 3 app sales Jul 26 01:11:18 so MAYBE, just MAYBE, these 'downloads' are failing on the day of purchase, and being processed as sales at a later date Jul 26 01:11:51 or maybe like haeffb suggested, it's all wrong Jul 26 01:16:34 fxspec06: ok. I'm gonna tally up my sales and failed transactions now Jul 26 01:16:37 From June Jul 26 01:27:03 fxspec06: I can't check it against my sales reports because I only have gotten paid for months before June and those numbers are all screwy too Jul 26 01:27:25 fxspec06: but what I can say is that I have 13 downloads unaccounted for during June Jul 26 01:27:44 according to the #s right now Jul 26 01:28:03 is it a high percentage Jul 26 01:28:28 because if my speculations are correct those may be re-accounted for in july Jul 26 01:29:44 this would make a neat excel project Jul 26 01:29:52 w/ a graph Jul 26 01:30:18 fxspec06: You're speculation is correct! Jul 26 01:30:31 I followed the trail of failed transactions and they are always made up the following day or two Jul 26 01:30:47 woooo! that sounds pretty sweet and exciting Jul 26 01:30:48 like the next day I had it made up for but had fewer downloads than purchases Jul 26 01:31:19 Yeah, it looks like within the next 3-4 days they are completely made up Jul 26 01:31:22 sometimes within 1 day Jul 26 01:31:23 i will for sure know more in the next week or so Jul 26 01:31:35 phew, not losing any money Jul 26 01:31:47 i know. my stomach feels a lil easier right now Jul 26 01:32:24 as long as i don't get any $2 paychecks i'll be happy Jul 26 01:33:13 i'm on pace to break the 100 dlds in the first 20 days =D Jul 26 01:33:28 Congrats! Jul 26 01:33:35 Is the video poker your first app? Jul 26 01:33:48 yep Jul 26 01:34:11 nice Jul 26 01:34:18 my first app was a piece of crap Jul 26 01:34:29 after some updates it actually became pretty good Jul 26 01:34:38 lol Jul 26 01:34:56 i was literally learning javascript as i wrote it Jul 26 01:35:01 Same here Jul 26 01:35:36 i had to go back one day and literally re-write the whole thing from the ground up. needless to say, performance improved tenfold Jul 26 01:35:53 and it wasn't slow to begin with Jul 26 01:37:39 oh yeah, I've had to rewrite my first apps too lol Jul 26 01:37:57 I put out a completely new version about a month after I published it originally Jul 26 01:38:03 it was MUCH better Jul 26 01:38:43 lol yeah, i decided to postpone release... after all it is a paid app... now i'm on vacation =DD lol Jul 26 01:38:56 wednesday it will have been out for a week. then i need to work on it again Jul 26 01:39:22 i wanna get villo in app purchases working! then i need CONTENT Jul 26 01:39:35 that's what i really need. is content content content Jul 26 01:40:58 Hmm, I know that HP in-app purchases are only in 3.0 but is Villo better than HP's? What % cut do they take? Jul 26 01:43:09 i want to say 0 Jul 26 01:43:53 Wow, that's nice Jul 26 01:44:18 I think I'll stay with using HP's though. It's better for the user because their credit card is most likely already saved to their account. Jul 26 01:44:26 i'll find out more down the road, as i come to it. but i do think it's 0 Jul 26 01:44:41 i'm really unsure though Jul 26 01:47:10 i don't think the in-app purchases are ready yet. which would explain why i don't know about them yet. lol Jul 26 01:47:17 lol Jul 26 01:47:28 but i want to incorporate as many villo stuff as i can Jul 26 01:47:31 HP has a lot of bugs with their in-app purchases right now Jul 26 01:47:43 there's chat, leaderboards, gifts, and messages Jul 26 01:47:48 i got 2 / 4 so far Jul 26 01:48:02 I plan on eventually using Villo for their leaderboards, chat, and messages in my current touchpad app Jul 26 01:48:42 then i think there's more to use also. like settings, appstates etc Jul 26 01:48:53 so many cool things you can do! Jul 26 01:49:17 oh yeah, settings too Jul 26 01:49:54 implementation is key. i won't do it if it's not perfect Jul 26 01:50:18 yeah Jul 26 01:50:58 perfection… bah! Jul 26 02:16:00 Can someone please take a look at this? It's an easy question: http://pastebin.com/B0aYprqu Jul 26 02:29:15 hj all Jul 26 02:29:38 hey Jul 26 02:30:17 i have problem with emulator Palm SDK 1024 768, application upside down, how can i fix it Jul 26 02:32:28 h believe its F5-F8 that does that Jul 26 02:33:14 PatrickC: Do you know what I'm doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/B0aYprqu Jul 26 02:34:00 no clue Jul 26 02:34:09 sorry Jul 26 02:34:27 try invalue instead of insender Jul 26 02:35:21 Yeah, I've tried that and it just shows the name of the child kind that it got called from Jul 26 02:35:32 inSender shows the same thing Jul 26 02:35:51 oh wait Jul 26 02:36:12 inSender shows the child kind and inValue shows the kind that it was called from... or the child of the child kind Jul 26 02:37:23 I know this is super easy but I just don't understand how to do it Jul 26 02:42:06 twbbas: is updateProgress called from elsewhere? Jul 26 02:42:38 Well, let me explain the process that I'm doing because I didn't think it was possible any other way Jul 26 02:42:41 no, wait... updateProgress is in a parent kind and you want to call it from a child kind? Jul 26 02:42:52 Well, it's called from the child of the child kind Jul 26 02:42:57 originally Jul 26 02:43:04 but directly, it's called from the child Jul 26 02:43:11 @PatrickC: not F5 - F8, not on iPad, i build app use eclipse and RUN... then APP upside down Jul 26 02:43:13 help me Jul 26 02:43:16 It's being called successfully I just don't know how to get the parameters Jul 26 02:44:10 what is this.doFunction() ? Jul 26 02:44:32 oh, you have an event in your child kind? Jul 26 02:44:37 Yes Jul 26 02:44:42 Isn't that the only way to call it? Jul 26 02:44:42 that's disgusting Jul 26 02:44:48 yes Jul 26 02:44:49 sorry, I just sorta walked in Jul 26 02:44:55 lol Jul 26 02:45:11 So I have a kind, a child, and then a child of that child Jul 26 02:45:11 an enyo dev's gotta do what an enyo dev's gotta do. Jul 26 02:45:18 my progress stuff is in the child's child Jul 26 02:45:24 you need to bubble the event back up to the main kind Jul 26 02:45:26 and I want to pass "5" to the first kind Jul 26 02:45:28 Yes Jul 26 02:45:33 Exactly. Jul 26 02:45:50 The function is being called successfully. I just don't know where to look for the "5" that I give it originally. Jul 26 02:46:10 is updateProgress also an event defined in your main kind? Jul 26 02:46:31 like {kind: "ProgressBar", someEvent: "updateProgress" Jul 26 02:46:49 No Jul 26 02:47:35 Isn't this just a case of what to put in the ()? updateProgress: function(inSender, inValue) { Jul 26 02:48:00 yes Jul 26 02:48:32 I can't find this anywhere in the documentation or sample apps. Jul 26 02:48:33 so, in your child 2 kind, you define events: { someFunction: ""} Jul 26 02:48:39 Yes Jul 26 02:48:45 oh ... is that the prob? Jul 26 02:48:48 the "" Jul 26 02:49:10 in child 1 you also have events: { someFunction: "doFunction"} Jul 26 02:49:24 or actually, doSomeFunction Jul 26 02:49:33 so that it just propagates to the main kind Jul 26 02:49:55 I didn't know I could do that. I have it "" there too and then in the kind for that child I have it setting the final "updateProgress" Jul 26 02:50:12 The function is being called fine Jul 26 02:50:42 man, I thought this was an easy question "o Jul 26 02:50:46 :o Jul 26 02:51:37 argh. I'm getting me confused Jul 26 02:51:42 I have an example... Jul 26 02:51:48 That'd be great! Jul 26 02:52:13 https://github.com/haeffb/pondNotes Jul 26 02:53:03 in models, there are two .js files, simplenote2apiHD.js and sync2apiHD.js Jul 26 02:53:12 simplenote is the 2nd child Jul 26 02:53:19 sync2 is the 1st child. Jul 26 02:53:32 and notes/pondnotes.js is the main kind Jul 26 02:54:22 in simplenote, look at the onLogin event and loginSuccess method that calls doLogin Jul 26 02:55:40 in sync, look at the events, the definition of the simplenote kind and the apiLogin method Jul 26 02:56:56 in the pondnotes kind, look at the sync kind definition, and the checkLogin method Jul 26 02:57:35 anyway, looks like the key is you have to pass that inEvent param from child2 when you call the child1 event (like apiLogin in sync) Jul 26 02:59:15 Yes! Jul 26 02:59:17 That was it! Jul 26 02:59:21 Thanks! Jul 26 02:59:32 My child 1 function was set up like this Jul 26 02:59:45 updateProgress: function(inEvent) { Jul 26 02:59:46 this.doUpdateProgress(inEvent); Jul 26 02:59:46 }, Jul 26 02:59:48 oops Jul 26 02:59:55 when it should have been inSender, inEvent **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 26 02:59:56 2011