**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 29 02:59:56 2011 Jul 29 03:03:31 the hell Jul 29 03:10:02 twbbas: there is a different between selling apps outside the catalog and in-app items Jul 29 03:10:08 s/different/difference/ Jul 29 03:10:36 True Jul 29 03:10:52 so villo is legal, paid preware is not Jul 29 03:11:11 ah Jul 29 03:11:16 Gotcha Jul 29 03:11:19 * webOSNewbie is back (gone 00:12:15) Jul 29 03:11:31 Welcome back Jul 29 03:11:35 thanks Jul 29 03:11:43 I'm only doing Mojo Jul 29 03:11:50 can't imagine Enyo Jul 29 03:12:03 Enyo is easier Jul 29 03:12:09 Enyo is 1000000000x easier! Jul 29 03:12:14 I find that hard to believe Jul 29 03:12:21 well, that may be an exaggeration ;) Jul 29 03:12:25 It's more simplified Jul 29 03:12:30 it is? Jul 29 03:12:40 in enyo, the JS is the everything Jul 29 03:12:44 no HTML/JS Jul 29 03:12:47 its all JS Jul 29 03:12:52 exactly Jul 29 03:12:54 confusing Jul 29 03:12:57 no Jul 29 03:12:59 not at all Jul 29 03:13:06 oh Jul 29 03:13:07 a button is Jul 29 03:13:07 really Jul 29 03:13:09 Opposite of more confusing Jul 29 03:13:18 {kind: "Button"} Jul 29 03:13:31 I don't know much JavaScript Jul 29 03:13:35 that's so cool: http://wimp.com/differentstacking/ Jul 29 03:13:51 the blind leading the blind... Jul 29 03:13:52 well, {kind: "Button", caption: "ButtonTitle"}, Jul 29 03:13:56 Tibfib: ya Jul 29 03:14:19 Doesn't caption -> content? Jul 29 03:14:27 Or does caption work too Jul 29 03:14:52 I believe caption works for the caption of the button Jul 29 03:14:59 twbbas: palm is inconsistent Jul 29 03:15:06 some kinds take caption Jul 29 03:15:07 you use content: [extra content] Jul 29 03:15:08 some kinds take content Jul 29 03:15:14 some kinds can take both Jul 29 03:15:25 sometimes I'm confused Jul 29 03:15:32 I'm always confused Jul 29 03:15:47 thats what Tibfib and twbbas are for ;) Jul 29 03:15:58 I'm sticking with Mojo until I get comfortable Jul 29 03:16:04 Not me :S Jul 29 03:16:07 You learn more and get better if you figure things out yourself Jul 29 03:16:19 True Jul 29 03:16:38 I'm going to sleepaway camp next week Jul 29 03:16:40 I only ask questions if I'm stuck, or can't remember something and know someone will Jul 29 03:16:43 High Adventure Jul 29 03:16:56 webOSNewbie: didn't your parents tell you not to share personal info on the internet? Jul 29 03:17:02 we could all be crazy old guys Jul 29 03:17:09 Doesn't mean much Jul 29 03:17:10 bald and tubby Jul 29 03:17:20 you don't know what day or time Jul 29 03:17:26 Tibfib: stop describing PatrickC Jul 29 03:17:38 * Tibfib high fives twbbas Jul 29 03:17:53 * webOSNewbie slaps forehead Jul 29 03:18:00 Why? Jul 29 03:18:06 for fun Jul 29 03:18:20 twbbas: hey, I'm only 3 years older then webOSNewbie haha Jul 29 03:18:32 age means nothing Jul 29 03:18:45 except in legal realms Jul 29 03:18:53 Baldness means all Jul 29 03:18:54 how can a 15 yr old be a crazy old guy? Jul 29 03:18:56 voldemort overlooked that and we all know how he ended up Jul 29 03:18:58 lol Jul 29 03:19:04 voldemort? Jul 29 03:19:10 harry potter Jul 29 03:19:13 ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Jul 29 03:19:15 GET SOME CULTURE Jul 29 03:19:18 Lol Jul 29 03:19:28 lol Jul 29 03:19:28 I've only read the second Jul 29 03:19:32 it was odd Jul 29 03:19:37 hi Jul 29 03:19:59 HP is the best Jul 29 03:20:03 I'm now a WOW contributor. just waiting for my creds ;) Jul 29 03:20:05 twbbas: yep Jul 29 03:20:08 Both the tech company and the character Jul 29 03:20:31 I can't wait until my Dad gets his SIM card Jul 29 03:20:43 then his company Pre2 will work Jul 29 03:20:50 and I can test on it Jul 29 03:21:57 http://business.financialpost.com/2011/07/28/u-s-balance-now-less-than-apple-cash/ Jul 29 03:22:14 I'm not surprised at all Tibfib Jul 29 03:22:24 except they use "largest" loosely, "the world’s largest technology company" Jul 29 03:22:40 WordPress site, I'm sure Jul 29 03:22:54 what? Jul 29 03:22:58 webOSNewbie: directed toward me? Jul 29 03:24:23 argh. Robitaille's video camera flashlight isn't available for 1.4.5 Jul 29 03:24:36 it used to be Jul 29 03:24:40 can I get 1.4.5.1 with only att pay-as-you-go? Jul 29 03:25:04 nope.. I don't think so Jul 29 03:26:25 tonight.. I hope to get Villo registration and better UI Jul 29 03:27:21 tonight... WE GET VILLO REGISTRATION! HAH-RUM! HAH-RUM! HAH-RUM! Jul 29 03:27:30 webOSNewbie: You can bypass the Pre 2's activation screen Jul 29 03:27:34 summatusmentis: lol Jul 29 03:27:40 yeah Jul 29 03:27:41 how can bypass? Jul 29 03:27:42 very easy Jul 29 03:27:51 how? Jul 29 03:27:53 #*3386633# Jul 29 03:28:00 type in? Jul 29 03:28:05 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Jul 29 03:28:10 ^ that Jul 29 03:28:14 lesse, where do you type numbers, #s and *s? Jul 29 03:28:19 cool! Jul 29 03:28:31 summatusmentis: you hit them on the actual kb Jul 29 03:28:45 pedantry Jul 29 03:28:46 >_> Jul 29 03:28:51 On a GSM phone, press "#*DEVMODE#", followed by the call button Jul 29 03:29:01 Type the first #* on the physical keyboard and then the phone app will load up Jul 29 03:29:08 then type rest on the phone app Jul 29 03:29:22 oh, I suppose you can't launch the phone app Jul 29 03:29:27 I guess that makes sense Jul 29 03:29:30 twbbas: #3386633# Jul 29 03:29:45 i've done it many times ;) Jul 29 03:29:52 GSM or CDMA, PatrickC? Jul 29 03:29:59 and then for CDMA, its ##3386633# Jul 29 03:30:07 webOSNewbie has a GSM Jul 29 03:30:11 i've only down GSM pre2's Jul 29 03:30:20 but i've done CDMA pre+ on 2.1 Jul 29 03:30:25 I should get my hands on a pre2 Jul 29 03:30:35 summatusmentis: They are infinitely better than original Pre Jul 29 03:30:36 GSM is #*3386633# Jul 29 03:30:41 or just switch carriers Jul 29 03:30:45 PatrickC: That's what I said before ;) Jul 29 03:30:53 yep :) Jul 29 03:31:02 you said DEVMODE (I said the actual numbers) Jul 29 03:31:20 I assumed webOSNewbie could read Jul 29 03:31:39 just makes it easier Jul 29 03:31:42 I think Jul 29 03:31:51 twbbas: want an updated IPK? Jul 29 03:32:01 the letters are definitely easier to remember Jul 29 03:32:14 need go Jul 29 03:32:15 PatrickC: It was so much work last time >.> Jul 29 03:32:28 twbbas: I have an IPK this time Jul 29 03:32:30 :) Jul 29 03:32:34 send it my way then Jul 29 03:32:37 ok Jul 29 03:33:23 sent Jul 29 03:33:38 it is the newest (if not, only missing an error dialog popup) Jul 29 03:40:46 Apple could bail out the US Gov Jul 29 03:42:26 yep lol Jul 29 03:44:21 wooo webOSRoundup got forums Jul 29 03:45:12 yep Jul 29 03:45:21 i've known for the past few days ;) Jul 29 03:46:41 twbbas: they have had them for months Jul 29 03:46:43 maybe a year Jul 29 03:46:47 Wow, really? Jul 29 03:46:50 yeah Jul 29 03:46:54 Never noticed Jul 29 03:47:07 you didn't miss much Jul 29 03:47:11 they just changed them I guess Jul 29 03:47:24 oooh Jul 29 03:47:36 the new ones have nice categories Jul 29 03:47:37 very smart Jul 29 03:48:02 we'll see if they ever get more users Jul 29 03:49:41 although there is no area for users to discuss homebrew Jul 29 03:49:44 * twbbas just registered Jul 29 03:49:51 I guess you can in the webOS X.X forums Jul 29 03:52:01 twbbas: get the app? Jul 29 03:52:23 ya looks kewl Jul 29 03:52:29 thx Jul 29 03:52:35 working on register now Jul 29 04:00:05 hey dkirker Jul 29 04:00:13 hi PatrickC Jul 29 04:00:35 ugh.. why won't my scene push?? Jul 29 04:00:58 log shows *nothing* Jul 29 04:02:38 ugh.. I'll paste my code.. Jul 29 04:04:22 http://pastie.org/private/lni2psuadxqcd2bo8ibdg very bottom function, trying to push the scene Jul 29 04:08:07 <--- hasn't looked at mojo in months Jul 29 04:08:17 lol Jul 29 04:09:13 twbbas: was it group or list people usually put a textbox in? Jul 29 04:11:20 Row inside a List inside a Group Jul 29 04:12:20 wow.. ok lol Jul 29 04:12:27 webos101 a good place to look? Jul 29 04:12:33 yes Jul 29 04:13:45 http://www.webos101.com/List ? I didn't see one for group Jul 29 04:22:04 A group isn't necessary but it looks nice Jul 29 04:22:32 ok Jul 29 04:35:19 so like here - {data: "Item 4"}, Jul 29 04:35:20 ? Jul 29 04:44:46 mmmm I'm liking the webOSRoundup forums Jul 29 04:44:56 PatrickC: I have no idea. I haven't done mojo in a while. Jul 29 04:47:21 twbbas: thx for the help Jul 29 04:47:32 lol what help? ;) Jul 29 04:47:33 I'm just looking at a wosi app that uses it Jul 29 04:47:45 telling me what it was called :) Jul 29 04:47:47 Btw, check out using a group too Jul 29 04:47:51 I think it looks real nice Jul 29 04:47:58 I believe the class is "palm-group Jul 29 04:48:04 with a " at the end Jul 29 04:48:20 Just put the whole list inside of the group div Jul 29 04:48:48 you can also add a title to the group using class "palm-group-title" I thin Jul 29 04:50:04 g'night peeps Jul 29 04:50:13 * fxspec06_ hasn't been in here but 2 mins today Jul 29 04:50:55 g/l gettn that villo workn pat Jul 29 04:51:08 thanks fxspec06_ Jul 29 04:51:31 as the terminator always says, I'LL BE BACK Jul 29 04:53:25 twbbas: I think, /think/ I might have it.. Jul 29 04:53:27 lemme see Jul 29 04:54:31 how do I remove entries from the Palm Emulator? Jul 29 04:54:55 you know the list of different versions/resolutions Jul 29 04:54:59 entries? Jul 29 04:55:01 ah Jul 29 04:55:04 umm.. idk Jul 29 04:55:22 twbbas: I GOT IT! its a little big, but better Jul 29 04:55:24 :D Jul 29 04:55:28 :D :D :D Jul 29 04:56:12 YEAH! Jul 29 04:56:13 And at that, I'm gonna go to sleep. Jul 29 04:56:16 Nice Jul 29 04:56:22 night Jul 29 04:56:28 btw, watch this video Jul 29 04:56:29 http://youtu.be/-X-MRXzmkco Jul 29 04:56:31 once I get it working, I'll shoot you the IPK Jul 29 04:56:41 It's a Pre 3 unboxing and 20 min review. But, it's in French. Jul 29 04:56:48 Still worth it to watch without any sound Jul 29 04:57:52 twbbas: can you wait like 1 second? almost done and want you to see :) Jul 29 04:58:05 ya Jul 29 04:58:08 cool Jul 29 04:58:14 ok, done (with the UI) Jul 29 04:58:16 I'll send Jul 29 04:59:00 @all: Has mojo support " multi panel" ? Jul 29 04:59:29 or just javascript code for " multi panel" Jul 29 04:59:49 twbbas: sent Jul 29 05:00:25 anything that can be done in enyo can be done in mojo, and vice versa. they are both just javascript frameworks. the only difference is the abstractions used. Jul 29 05:00:50 PatrickC: Very nice Jul 29 05:01:03 PatrickC: Told ya a group with title looks nice Jul 29 05:01:04 and anything that can be done in either of them can be done in plain javascript too Jul 29 05:01:13 twbbas: as you can see, they are a little big :) Jul 29 05:01:26 PatrickC: Yeah but you can fix that with a little css Jul 29 05:01:28 I just copied from wIRC.. thanks PuffTheMagic and oil :) Jul 29 05:01:30 yep Jul 29 05:02:05 rwhitby: tks Jul 29 05:02:08 Sleepy time now Jul 29 05:02:15 night Jul 29 05:02:32 copied from us? Jul 29 05:02:47 oil: row, list, textfield Jul 29 05:02:55 made my app look better Jul 29 05:02:56 oh Jul 29 05:03:02 yeah, that parts nice Jul 29 05:03:19 yeah.. just need to fix a little bug.. its huge in my app lol Jul 29 05:03:22 (the textfield) Jul 29 05:06:06 hmm.. oil: can you tell me what css file the stuff is in for the "Identity" scene? Jul 29 05:06:15 main Jul 29 05:06:43 ok.. now to look through 35xxx chars.. lol Jul 29 05:07:01 ctrl+f identity? Jul 29 05:07:24 you don't have anything with identity in main.css Jul 29 05:07:33 look at the main div in the scene, i use classes there to do stuff specific for that scene Jul 29 05:07:52 yeah.. class="palm-group" Jul 29 05:08:01 no Jul 29 05:08:08 the whole scene Jul 29 05:08:13 has a div around it Jul 29 05:08:18 with a class Jul 29 05:08:32 I see it now Jul 29 05:08:42 it can't find it Jul 29 05:08:49 class="form identify" Jul 29 05:08:56 those should be used in main Jul 29 05:08:56 shows no results Jul 29 05:09:20 ctrl+f and c/p shows nothing in main Jul 29 05:09:27 im sure you'll find em Jul 29 05:09:31 * oil is not going to tell you where Jul 29 05:11:08 wait.. wirc has a filepicker? Jul 29 05:18:35 yes Jul 29 05:18:53 dcc file send/recieve Jul 29 05:18:59 ah Jul 29 05:21:32 I think I got it.. Jul 29 05:21:50 looks better Jul 29 05:23:04 thx oil Jul 29 05:25:21 I'm off to bed. I got the UI better Jul 29 05:25:27 night Jul 29 06:00:21 good morning Jul 29 06:04:09 morning Jul 29 06:05:50 chilling, the code is almost ready, but need to do some testing in the next days Jul 29 06:08:56 it deals with images... the analysis of images Jul 29 06:23:11 but not like what google has abit different Jul 29 06:29:27 is it a money maker? Jul 29 06:30:24 not sure Jul 29 06:32:32 from the limited testing not sure if i will work Jul 29 06:33:01 when all the pieces are built, can tell it if will work Jul 29 06:35:37 :) Jul 29 06:42:51 the pre3 is coming, but was reading that will not support enyo apps in the beginning Jul 29 06:50:08 correct Jul 29 06:50:16 i have not heard anything about the pre 3 and enyo Jul 29 06:53:02 was reading on precentral ealier today Jul 29 06:59:00 alright chat in some hours, gonna hit the hay Jul 29 08:19:13 hj All, how to connect emulator by FTP? Jul 29 08:31:38 coffeecafe: did you try using sftp? Jul 29 08:31:46 I think that should work if you are able to ssh to it Jul 29 08:32:45 WinSCP is a decent sftp/scp client for Windows if you need something for it Jul 29 08:34:36 zomg: i use OS ubuntu Jul 29 08:35:17 zomg: i connect emulator use SSH on command link => OK Jul 29 08:36:11 zomg: i try connect use an UI for copy/paste Jul 29 08:36:12 :) Jul 29 08:39:44 coffeecafe: try scp then Jul 29 08:40:06 or I'm sure ubuntu has something. if you're running kubuntu, the filemanager natively supports scp/sftp Jul 29 08:47:08 rrix: i try gftp but not response Jul 29 08:47:32 rrix: now, i try winSCP on wine/ubuntu , may be window is best Jul 29 08:47:33 :( Jul 29 08:48:00 http://postneo.com/2005/02/26/when-things-just-work-nautilus-and-sftp Jul 29 08:48:13 SCP is a linux thing, claiming that doing it on windows is better is … silly :) Jul 29 08:48:17 try that Jul 29 08:54:59 rrix: i try this with nautilus, but not work for me Jul 29 08:55:21 How did you enable ssh on the device? Jul 29 08:55:58 rrix: i use command line connect by SSH to device ==> OK Jul 29 08:56:26 That's... not what I asked. :) How did you configure the ssh server? The device doesn't come with one, you had to install it. Did you use preware or ipkg? Jul 29 08:57:24 Hi. I just now learned about webOS. Is it opensource? If I got an HP touchpad can you really use it how you like? Jul 29 08:57:54 No Jul 29 08:58:03 yes and no Jul 29 08:58:24 hm. Jul 29 08:58:38 So maybe an HP touchpad isn't the thing to get. Jul 29 08:58:42 parts of it are indeed open source. the rest is very open to personal tinkering and hacking. There's a fairly large homebrew community in #webos-internals Jul 29 08:58:48 emma: What do you want to do with the device? Jul 29 08:58:56 who knows Jul 29 08:59:18 heh Jul 29 08:59:23 I guess im just waiting for an ipad-like device that is like a real computer in terms of what you can do with it. Jul 29 08:59:34 like install your own applications, compile them maybe, use it like linux. Jul 29 08:59:38 Well, honestly the touchpad is probably the most open tablet in terms of what you can do on it Jul 29 08:59:50 you can run linux on it Jul 29 08:59:55 does the touchpad lock the bootloader? Jul 29 08:59:58 the device runs linux :) Jul 29 09:00:34 emma: There is a group of folks (#webos-internals) that have ported ubuntu to the touchpad, and you can run basically any linux application on it, right now, and they're steadily making tha tmore user friendly Jul 29 09:00:57 afaict, there is even big things like LibreOffice runningon it Jul 29 09:01:16 hm, pretty interesting then. Jul 29 09:01:36 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot < Jul 29 09:01:38 once you have some version of Ubuntu on there then it seems like it really is a total open platform isn't it? Jul 29 09:01:43 o Jul 29 09:01:47 Oh it's a chroot. Jul 29 09:01:50 Right Jul 29 09:01:57 It's still the webos kernel Jul 29 09:02:35 but webos itself is a pretty open platform under the face of it. most applications are written in javascript, so can be easily tweaked, you can do standard unix-y things, etc Jul 29 09:02:58 I enjoy the fact that I can open a terminal app on my phone and have root access, and run things like irssi on it :P Jul 29 09:03:10 yeah that's the sort of thing i would li Jul 29 09:03:13 like Jul 29 09:03:23 it does seem like it's probably pretty good. Probably Jul 29 09:03:32 probably really more than open for anything i would do. Jul 29 09:03:43 Yeah; not much of that is available OOTB, but the homebrew community really beefs it up, and it's openly supported by HP/Palm Jul 29 09:03:47 rrix: ^^ i just check emulator , exists SSH Jul 29 09:04:54 Do you trust that the closed parts of webOS aren't doing anything malicious? Jul 29 09:05:15 coffeecafe: Try installing the openssh server and sftp plugin for it from preware then. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Jul 29 09:06:52 emma: More than I'd trust, say, the iPad or even most android things. There are things that do weird things like uploading various logs to Palm's servers, but that can be patched out of the system Jul 29 09:07:37 it seems like ultimately it's a hardware problem Jul 29 09:07:57 as in, what we are really lacking is a device that just lets us put what we want on it from the start. Jul 29 09:08:40 Unfortunately consumers who don't care outnumber us, and we aren't a profitable user target, yet :( Jul 29 09:08:53 Most people just want their little black boxes to check their facebook and watch cat videos Jul 29 09:09:43 most worrisome to me is with things like "the cloud" these tablets and dumb clients could just replace real computers and then people like us will have nothing Jul 29 09:10:59 People need to get work done at the end of the day. tablets are vanity devices, they don't allow people to be nearly as productive as on real hardware. and this cloudiness seems like a fad to me, the bubble will pop when people realize how wrong it is Jul 29 09:11:42 Like people realised how wrong facebook is? Jul 29 09:11:59 I don't think they have Jul 29 09:12:17 Yeah that's the point I was making :P Jul 29 09:12:23 Well, all in good time Jul 29 09:13:37 i wonder how well sendmail would work on this thing Jul 29 09:13:53 * rrix tries Jul 29 09:19:59 does Android have a fragmentation problem? Jul 29 09:28:16 rrix: on linux in Emulator, which statement i can install OpenSSH, ( i use webOS 3.0, tablet) Jul 29 10:19:43 rrix: hj, i install Open SSH by Preware, tks u Jul 29 10:48:45 where FOLDER contain package installed on Device/Emulator Jul 29 12:11:10 Hi Jul 29 12:38:07 emma: you should read this: http://www.preware.org/presentation-oscon11.odp Jul 29 12:38:30 (regarding openness of touchpad) Jul 29 13:15:45 whatup webosworld Jul 29 13:30:21 rwhitby: nice slides Jul 29 13:30:47 I found it hilarious that jason is complaining about a lack of WOSQI mention Jul 29 13:31:32 i agree with him Jul 29 13:31:50 jason or rod? Jul 29 13:31:53 jay Jul 29 13:31:57 hah. I don't Jul 29 13:32:10 it is an open source convention. WOSQI is closed source Jul 29 13:32:18 ...webos isn't open source either Jul 29 13:32:22 I mean maaaaybe an aside Jul 29 13:32:46 but they/HP flew webosinternals in Jul 29 13:32:57 so, why the hell can he represent webos Jul 29 13:33:13 WOSQI uses open source technology Jul 29 13:33:27 open source ISNT about keeping thing open, it's about making developers happy. Jul 29 13:33:32 not by jason's choice Jul 29 13:33:33 thing/s Jul 29 13:33:40 jason could care less if WOSQI used open source Jul 29 13:33:56 matbee: they flew webos-internals out to talk about webos-internals, not to talk about webOS Jul 29 13:34:06 homebrew Jul 29 13:34:06 I can see why, the OS community shits on you Jul 29 13:34:29 jay helped MAKE webos internals Jul 29 13:34:35 without wosqi, where would we be? Jul 29 13:34:36 matbee: um, no. Jul 29 13:34:38 Did he? Jul 29 13:34:47 matbee: using one of the other 5 installation methods Jul 29 13:34:51 hah Jul 29 13:34:56 yay commandline Jul 29 13:34:59 matbee: WOSQI is a crutch for windows users. Jul 29 13:35:07 crutch for windows users? Jul 29 13:35:09 really? Jul 29 13:35:19 yep. and a very important one. Jul 29 13:35:29 not a crutch Jul 29 13:35:40 its a necessary application Jul 29 13:35:42 since windows users are in the majority, and I'm very glad that Jason chooses to support them with a close source tool Jul 29 13:35:54 So, why not talk about this tool? Jul 29 13:36:11 (I'm not glad about the closed source bit, I'm glad about him supporting windows users) Jul 29 13:36:17 I'm not here to defend Jay, I really don't care Jul 29 13:36:23 cause he has chosen for it to be closed source Jul 29 13:36:23 hah Jul 29 13:36:29 but like, he made it possible for windows users Jul 29 13:36:31 and it's an open source conference Jul 29 13:36:42 matbee: it was possible before Jul 29 13:36:47 he made it "easier" Jul 29 13:36:55 Tibfib_, screw anything commandline in windows Jul 29 13:36:56 Tibfib_: correct Jul 29 13:37:19 matbee: WOSQI is not the only windows gui installer either Jul 29 13:37:29 it happens to be the best supported one Jul 29 13:37:39 and that is awesome Jul 29 13:37:50 It deserved a mention Jul 29 13:37:51 but it's closed source, so not appropriate for discussion at an open source conference Jul 29 13:38:25 when you make a decision to license something as closed source, you take the consequences of that decision Jul 29 13:38:39 this is what I mean about open source shitting on you Jul 29 13:38:39 it's not an arbitrary thin Jul 29 13:38:40 g Jul 29 13:38:44 meh Jul 29 13:39:01 matbee: it simply depends on what you personally feel is important Jul 29 13:39:13 you and I obviously have different viewpoints on taht Jul 29 13:39:18 I want ot be part of the chat too :( but I don't know what you guys are talking about :( Jul 29 13:39:21 and that's fine Jul 29 13:39:23 lol Jul 29 13:39:34 yeah, i know Jul 29 13:39:55 uh oh it's funkatron Jul 29 13:40:01 of course I prefer everything to be open source, but, that doesn't mean we should shunt out everything that isn't Jul 29 13:40:38 who's shutting out anything? Jul 29 13:40:41 So he should have talked about WOSQI at a convention about open source? Jul 29 13:40:48 Tibfib, most definitely Jul 29 13:40:58 wohsucky Jul 29 13:41:09 matbee: we will have to agree to disagree on that point Jul 29 13:41:12 yeah Jul 29 13:41:14 hey funkatron Jul 29 13:41:18 yo yo Jul 29 13:41:40 why do I always read fuckatron :/ seems NSFW Jul 29 13:41:53 lol Jul 29 13:42:10 but you just saidi t Jul 29 13:42:12 and im at work Jul 29 13:42:14 !!! Jul 29 13:42:30 so am I Jul 29 13:42:51 reading fuckatron after watching terminator.. Jul 29 13:43:14 aah, you just said it again Jul 29 13:43:22 haha Jul 29 13:43:24 well just don't read it Jul 29 13:43:53 :P Jul 29 13:44:13 actually the imagination is the bad thing Jul 29 13:45:27 Hey guys, question on enyo here Jul 29 13:46:14 I have a list of items, I want that when you click one item within the list, it will highlight that item, and unhighlight any previous clicked items, so there is only one active item Jul 29 13:46:16 Tibfib: is Koto marked as incompatible with TouchPad? Jul 29 13:46:32 rwhitby: it should be Jul 29 13:46:39 So how can I set background to null to all list items within a list Jul 29 13:46:55 Tibfib: is it really incompatible, or would just use mojo emulation mode? Jul 29 13:47:04 I don't know Jul 29 13:47:12 I am very NSFW Jul 29 13:47:14 I got an email from palm saying it was incompatible Jul 29 13:47:21 and I don't have a Touchpad to test it out. Jul 29 13:48:34 oh rwhitby, what are your thoughts on NomNomNom? Jul 29 13:48:59 Tibfib: I couldn't work out how to see the full article in browser. Jul 29 13:49:22 the browser icon should toggle between webview mode Jul 29 13:49:36 webviews don't work in chrome well and my emu is super slow, so I don't think it works great :) Jul 29 13:49:49 I should just have it launch a browser card until I get a touchpad and can fix it Jul 29 13:56:18 I watched a review of the touchpad Jul 29 13:56:26 and a person called the browser "internet explorer" Jul 29 13:56:32 I seriously rofl'd Jul 29 13:57:06 actually internet explorer is a pretty good word for a browser because it is a tool to explore the internet Jul 29 13:57:08 It was an iPad vs Touchpad, "So I'm launching Safari on iOS, and on webOS I'm launching internet explorer." Jul 29 13:57:22 my mom does not know the difference.. so I always rename chrome to "internet" Jul 29 13:57:27 Does aybody know if its possible to view full size thumbs of an app in the app catalog? Jul 29 13:57:43 thomaschaaf, just rename the shortcut and change the icon to IE Jul 29 13:57:57 probably would sell quite well Jul 29 13:58:03 ie6 for touchpad :D Jul 29 13:58:07 haha Jul 29 13:58:07 would be pretty funny actally Jul 29 13:58:17 also I could emulate random misrenderings Jul 29 13:58:29 jsut make text fat that isn't and stuff Jul 29 13:58:37 would probably get killer reviews Jul 29 13:59:02 stri8ed: are you talking about in the TP app catalog? Jul 29 13:59:06 I want an NDA channel :/ Jul 29 13:59:13 Yes Jul 29 13:59:32 moring all Jul 29 13:59:39 stri8ed: afaik, there's no way to see larger versions of those files Jul 29 13:59:48 s/files/images/ Jul 29 14:00:04 That does not really make sense, cosidering the images are uploaded in full size Jul 29 14:00:41 it's really irritating, because we've got a full 10" screen, there's no reason not to use it Jul 29 14:00:53 PatrickC: *wave* Jul 29 14:01:04 yup, I supposed is was something that fell through the cracks Jul 29 14:01:09 thomaschaaf: hey! Jul 29 14:01:15 2.2 ... Jul 29 14:01:21 yep Jul 29 14:01:27 WHY no 3.1?! Jul 29 14:01:35 cause.. Jul 29 14:02:27 well well http://bit.ly/qYCNFS Jul 29 14:02:38 Yeah, an NDA channel would be the beezneez Jul 29 14:03:03 we have been trying to get one Jul 29 14:03:21 I started one, someone made a totally private one, we have been shot down everytime Jul 29 14:03:22 just make the +k a password we're given on the forum Jul 29 14:03:23 easy peezy Jul 29 14:03:38 we did that Jul 29 14:03:50 So lets stick to it Jul 29 14:03:50 fxspec06_: hey! Jul 29 14:04:03 chuq told us to shut it down Jul 29 14:04:06 well if everyone is in there what can they do? Jul 29 14:04:07 really? Jul 29 14:04:13 yep Jul 29 14:04:18 tell chuq he should send you a touchpad then you will Jul 29 14:04:24 and then open a new one Jul 29 14:04:28 thomaschaaf: haha Jul 29 14:04:30 well the forums are good and all Jul 29 14:04:37 but not live Jul 29 14:04:45 I wasn't the main runner of the irc channel, I was just helping the person Jul 29 14:05:35 I think chuq isn't opposed the idea, I think there's just some questions about making sure it's actually NDA-safe and so forth Jul 29 14:05:38 man.… I'm so happy that wirc is open source Jul 29 14:05:48 summatusmentis: exactly Jul 29 14:06:13 and its more for chuq to keep up with Jul 29 14:06:22 as if chuq doesn't have enough Jul 29 14:06:34 indeed Jul 29 14:06:55 once they get better staffing, they will probably do it Jul 29 14:08:24 thats assuming they get better staffing... Jul 29 14:08:39 my new favorit gif: http://i.imgur.com/7T8Jq.gif Jul 29 14:08:40 true... Jul 29 14:08:40 :D Jul 29 14:09:21 running the EPR :'( Jul 29 14:13:15 damnit I need to get better at CSS Jul 29 14:13:33 Why can't jquery mobile not be so ugly Jul 29 14:14:27 matbee: what aspect of CSS? Jul 29 14:14:48 grah, I want the OTA update Jul 29 14:14:52 like, just everything--- as in, I don't really know "when" to use certain properties Jul 29 14:14:53 so I can use this thing for real Jul 29 14:14:57 line display: inline; or w/e Jul 29 14:15:06 line/like Jul 29 14:15:27 I watch video tutorials on tutsplus and I get 'aha!' moments Jul 29 14:17:44 look at w3schools Jul 29 14:17:59 they have some decent css tuts. Jul 29 14:18:06 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping Jul 29 14:18:12 pong Jul 29 14:18:27 pm? Jul 29 14:23:31 bbl.. gotta go feed my neighbors beta Jul 29 14:23:36 pets* Jul 29 14:23:50 lol Jul 29 14:26:07 yeah, im a premium subscriber to tutsplus Jul 29 14:26:10 the place is a goldmine Jul 29 14:34:23 matbee: learning css takes time Jul 29 14:34:29 lots of trial and error Jul 29 14:34:32 yeah Jul 29 14:34:46 it's different from 'programming', so it's an odd one Jul 29 14:34:58 programming makes ...sense... css takes memory and experience Jul 29 14:35:03 * rwhitby sighs Jul 29 14:36:46 matbee: and programming doesn't? =) Jul 29 14:36:58 zomg, it's... different Jul 29 14:37:11 Sure, CSS is declarative Jul 29 14:37:30 css with less is great Jul 29 14:37:34 Once you understand the box model, margin collapse, how floats work, stuff like that Jul 29 14:37:39 Then it becomes pretty obvious Jul 29 14:37:44 yeah, my biggest problem is dealing with alignment Jul 29 14:37:46 it makes me rage Jul 29 14:37:55 But yeah there's a lot of stuff to memorize if you're just starting out Jul 29 14:37:56 matbee: read a book Jul 29 14:38:09 Since laying out a webpage is a pretty complex thing to do Jul 29 14:38:14 read book then try getting the same effect Jul 29 14:38:42 Easiest way to align stuff = use a table Jul 29 14:38:43 Yeah, my problem is that I'm able to jump head-first into java/.net/javascript, etc, and do just fine Jul 29 14:38:48 Although purists will always cry about it :D Jul 29 14:38:59 but css makes my head boil Jul 29 14:39:50 Try learning something like Prolog... A declarative programming language :D Jul 29 14:40:07 Well, dunno if Prolog is really comparable to CSS :P Jul 29 14:40:22 zomg: umm.. Jul 29 14:40:26 tables?! Jul 29 14:40:27 WTF Jul 29 14:40:36 tables are for data not for designing stuff Jul 29 14:40:43 Like I said Jul 29 14:40:45 haha Jul 29 14:40:48 They are the easiest way to align stuff Jul 29 14:40:50 even I know to stay away Jul 29 14:40:52 But purists will cry about them :P Jul 29 14:40:56 you can create a word document in excel but.. Jul 29 14:41:30 Try aligning text into the middle of an element that doesn't have a pre-defined height... also the text might span multiple rows... Fun times Jul 29 14:42:28 I don't use tables either Jul 29 14:42:29 oh no twitter is going to get ruined :( just like digg did: http://winfuture.de/screenshot,1311935255.html Jul 29 14:42:37 but I have to admit certain things are easy with them Jul 29 14:42:50 I don't want random tweets in the middle of my timeline Jul 29 14:43:00 o_o Jul 29 14:43:04 what? Jul 29 14:43:09 random tweets in the timeline? Jul 29 14:43:15 "Promoted by JetBlue Airways" Jul 29 14:43:20 I'm assuming that's the culprit Jul 29 14:43:20 Ohhhhhhhhhhh Jul 29 14:43:21 you can no buy tweets Jul 29 14:43:24 what the shit Jul 29 14:43:29 :( Jul 29 14:43:30 I wonder if I could buy a tweet too Jul 29 14:43:36 "I rule. You drool" Jul 29 14:43:43 Send it to everyone with my twitter username on it Jul 29 14:43:46 Might be a fun experiment Jul 29 14:44:16 Promoted tweets oughta be pretty easy to filter out by 3rd party clients though Jul 29 14:44:28 But I suspect filtering them out would be a violation of the TOS and get your client banned Jul 29 14:45:29 adblock will get it out pretty soon Jul 29 14:45:41 Assuming you use the twitter website Jul 29 14:45:51 since 70% of their traffic comes from their own clients or web I don't think other clients will get them Jul 29 14:46:18 I haven't noticed any yet in TweetDeck Jul 29 14:46:37 its probably "aimed ads" Jul 29 14:46:42 youve probably talked about flights or something Jul 29 14:46:50 Yeah that would make sense Jul 29 14:46:55 so they advertise to a certain group of people Jul 29 14:46:59 They would need some kind of targeting, it doesn't make any sense to send it to random people Jul 29 14:47:03 yeah Jul 29 14:47:54 http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/view Jul 29 14:47:59 this is pretty cool Jul 29 14:48:01 phonegap 1.0 is released today! Jul 29 14:48:03 knows I am male Jul 29 14:48:08 wounder how Jul 29 14:48:08 i have to drink a beer Jul 29 14:48:23 thomaschaaf_: are you on Google+? Jul 29 14:48:30 That would give it away assuming you chose a gender there Jul 29 14:48:37 I guess Jul 29 14:48:43 haha Jul 29 14:48:44 but it knows I like programming Jul 29 14:48:47 and computers.. Jul 29 14:48:52 which is not on google ü Jul 29 14:48:53 ä Jul 29 14:48:54 ü Jul 29 14:48:55 + Jul 29 14:48:57 :D Jul 29 14:49:07 thomaschaaf_: I opted out, apparently Jul 29 14:49:09 If you ever filled stuff on your google profile it uses that too Jul 29 14:49:24 I get things on google search results someone tweeted about for example Jul 29 14:49:32 Not sure what I did to do that but it's still kinda neat Jul 29 14:50:03 twitter does not have the right to search twitter anymore Jul 29 14:50:10 so that will no be coming up again :) Jul 29 14:50:32 anyone have a good share menu-icon? Jul 29 14:50:36 that's not the email one Jul 29 14:50:56 the send paper airplane could work Jul 29 14:51:08 Tibfib: try thenounproject.com Jul 29 14:51:14 all icons free Jul 29 14:51:38 I was hoping there'd be a good one already in the menu-icon style Jul 29 14:51:40 http://www.iconpot.com/ Jul 29 14:51:41 but I'll check it out Jul 29 14:52:31 I think i'll go to sleep for a while Jul 29 14:52:36 I think I'm going to use the paper airplane one Jul 29 14:52:53 Tibfib: oh the send one Jul 29 14:53:08 yeah, it should work decently Jul 29 14:53:37 actully in the photos app there is one Jul 29 14:53:53 but that's a photo underneath Jul 29 14:53:56 it could work Jul 29 14:54:05 just looks like a square to me Jul 29 14:54:08 true Jul 29 14:57:04 everyone vote::: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16897&start=0 Jul 29 14:57:08 please :) Jul 29 14:58:15 too many options in that poll to get a useful result Jul 29 14:59:48 I don't get the "paying for a JavaScript framework" option. Is anyone paying anything? Jul 29 14:59:51 rwhitby: true Jul 29 15:00:00 [yes, no] Jul 29 15:00:14 akanster: no, that seems to be a scare tactic by the poster Jul 29 15:00:23 yeah… Jul 29 15:00:24 and I don't think paying to use enyo has been thrown around at all Jul 29 15:00:28 and there's no history of paying Jul 29 15:00:40 I think I might say "are you more likely or less likely to develop a webOS app if Enyo is open-source" Jul 29 15:00:45 funkatron: this guy seems to be bastardising your sensible campaign Jul 29 15:01:04 that is an absolutely terrible poll Jul 29 15:01:14 let's not be too negative, RagingMind Jul 29 15:01:27 just because it's JS, the open source folks expect it to be licensed like all the other javascript frameworks? Jul 29 15:01:39 not really Jul 29 15:01:40 everyone who want to do a poll go to http://bit.ly/reviewtomail Jul 29 15:01:48 I'm lost then Jul 29 15:01:59 the JS dev community is driven by open source Jul 29 15:02:04 funkatron, it's wording is misleading. potential to start dev scaring rumors Jul 29 15:02:26 RagingMind: see, that sounds like constructive criticism. stick with that Jul 29 15:03:05 akanster: I wrote a piece on this if you're interested: http://funkatron.com/posts/why-hp-needs-to-make-enyo-open-source-and-cross-platform.html Jul 29 15:03:09 I still think it's terrible, that's just part of an explanation of why Jul 29 15:03:14 ExtJS is non-free too Jul 29 15:03:22 No, ExtJS is dual-licensed Jul 29 15:03:36 and actually its license is a point of contention for many Jul 29 15:04:16 ExtJS is GPL licensed. If you make a commercial product and don't want to be bound by the GPL viral requirements, you can purchase a commercial license Jul 29 15:04:37 k Jul 29 15:04:59 However, if your product uses a common open source license like MIT or BSD or whatnot, you can get an exemption from the GPL viral requirements Jul 29 15:05:35 In the JS dev community, non-viral licenses are by far the most common. Jul 29 15:05:43 (non viral open-source licenses) Jul 29 15:10:53 hmmm, I need to come up with something clever when sharing articles via NomNomNom Jul 29 15:11:08 Title [link] #NomNomNom Jul 29 15:11:49 voted Jul 29 15:12:21 NERRRM Jul 29 15:13:21 Tibfib: #sharingNoms Jul 29 15:13:32 ooh not bad Jul 29 15:13:37 Tibfib: Touch to Nom Jul 29 15:13:42 remember that Twitter isn't the only place people share, feller Jul 29 15:13:43 9D Jul 29 15:13:54 NO, ONLY TWITTER, EVER Jul 29 15:13:55 :D Jul 29 15:13:59 ahhah Jul 29 15:14:04 well I need stuff for sms and email too Jul 29 15:14:06 but hashtags would work Jul 29 15:14:23 rwhitby: that is sooo coming with the official touch to share api Jul 29 15:14:39 and introducing "Touch to Nom" technology Jul 29 15:14:47 nice Jul 29 15:14:47 assuming that api ever comes Jul 29 15:14:55 oh I'm sure it will Jul 29 15:15:00 official, osmishal. I can do it today with Hello! Jul 29 15:15:22 doing it your way doesn't get it in the app catalog :) Jul 29 15:15:27 that^ Jul 29 15:15:45 you say that as if it's a bad thing Jul 29 15:15:57 it is if you want to make money Jul 29 15:16:06 a small amount, nevertheless Jul 29 15:16:09 funkatron: That's a pretty good piece. Jul 29 15:16:54 s/pretty/reasonably/ Jul 29 15:16:54 thx akanster. I really think making Enyo open-source would be a major win for webOS. I hope folks in HP think so too. Jul 29 15:17:16 funkatron: I told the head of the HP Open Source office such ... Jul 29 15:17:28 did he laugh at you? Jul 29 15:17:32 no Jul 29 15:17:35 "I LOLd so hard I ROFLd" Jul 29 15:18:17 ha Jul 29 15:18:21 halfhalo-work agrees with me Jul 29 15:18:29 he obviously could not reveal any position, since such would be under NDA, but I had a serious conversation about it with him. Jul 29 15:18:41 nice Jul 29 15:18:58 over dinner. Jul 29 15:19:02 which he paid for :) Jul 29 15:19:02 rwhitby: otcha Jul 29 15:19:05 even better Jul 29 15:19:13 free dinner > free as in freedom Jul 29 15:19:31 hrm. https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=84987#p84987 Jul 29 15:19:59 so… "everything" is on the table Jul 29 15:20:14 could be that Enyo is switching to Objective C Jul 29 15:20:23 it's all out there Jul 29 15:20:39 haha Jul 29 15:21:22 "so in that case you should also throw up the options to consider palm ditching enyo completely and going back to mojo" Jul 29 15:23:04 :/ Jul 29 15:24:36 well. Jul 29 15:24:38 yea Jul 29 15:25:28 hey, can we believe our download numbers now? Jul 29 15:25:38 I don't think so Jul 29 15:25:42 ffuck Jul 29 15:25:53 although, I don't think we've ever been able to Jul 29 15:25:57 welp Jul 29 15:26:17 * rwhitby adds his two cents Jul 29 15:26:24 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=84988#p84988 Jul 29 15:26:46 wait, so our download numbers are wrong? Jul 29 15:26:47 and rwhitby brings the hammer Jul 29 15:26:48 2c AUS is like 4c USD Jul 29 15:26:52 funkatron: we haven't heard from Chuq yet, and we haven't reached the cold death of the Universe, so we are still waiting. Jul 29 15:27:04 rwhitby: right 8) Jul 29 15:27:18 even free apps have false download #'s? Jul 29 15:27:24 am I going to ahve to track it myself? lol Jul 29 15:27:32 free apps are right Jul 29 15:27:35 I think Jul 29 15:27:40 "more" right Jul 29 15:29:44 aww: http://nomnomnom.com/ Jul 29 15:30:12 uh oh Jul 29 15:30:36 Tibfib: I don't get it Jul 29 15:30:44 I already check into foursqurare Jul 29 15:30:53 I don't think there's a nomnomnom trademark so I'm okay Jul 29 15:30:57 I will not checkinto foursquare and nomnomnom and bla Jul 29 15:31:41 there are trademarks for "Nom" though Jul 29 15:33:33 doh, I'm gonna have to shorten the urls on this crap! Jul 29 15:34:03 feel free to use spazcore, Tibfib Jul 29 15:34:18 heh, good point Jul 29 15:36:32 gosh spazcore is huge Jul 29 15:37:13 ok to install the new version of VirtualBox over the old one? or should I uninstall first? Jul 29 15:37:37 nice site Jul 29 15:38:04 http://nomnomnom.com/ that is Jul 29 15:39:22 Tibfib: you built nomnom? Jul 29 15:39:38 I am making NomNomNom a google reader client Jul 29 15:39:41 Tibfib: they even use the hashtag #nomnomnom Jul 29 15:39:45 Tibfib: yeah, it is. I think it matters less when you're loading locally tho Jul 29 15:39:47 I did not build that site Jul 29 15:40:05 akanster: #NOMNOMNOMgr is what I think I'll use Jul 29 15:40:14 or #NomNomNomGR Jul 29 15:40:17 something like that Jul 29 15:40:30 what about the actaul service? Jul 29 15:40:34 nomnomnomRSS Jul 29 15:40:36 what about it? Jul 29 15:40:45 there'll be less characters left for actual tweet Jul 29 15:40:50 did you built that? Jul 29 15:40:55 nope Jul 29 15:40:59 oh ok Jul 29 15:41:03 akanster: yeah Jul 29 15:41:10 it looks nice and cool looking app Jul 29 15:43:07 Tibfib: whats gr? Jul 29 15:43:22 Googel reader Jul 29 15:43:31 s/googel/google Jul 29 15:46:14 oh Jul 29 15:46:25 duh Jul 29 15:46:27 * PatrickC wanders back in Jul 29 15:49:29 ok.. vkb is working on the 2.2 emu.. according to PC Jul 29 15:49:55 oh.. nvm.. misread the article Jul 29 15:50:32 http://m.precentral.net/webos-3-0-virtual-keyboard-performs-shrink-a-dink-smartphone-screens-1 Jul 29 15:51:19 that looks miserable to use Jul 29 15:51:41 looks nice to me Jul 29 15:51:53 I have difficulty using the TP keyboard sometimes Jul 29 15:52:01 just because of it's touch nature, my fingers drift too much Jul 29 15:52:04 that looks way worse Jul 29 15:52:16 I would like to try it Jul 29 15:52:17 although I guess I'd be thumb-typing on that Jul 29 15:52:17 it's hard to go to virtual keybaords from a physical one. I have similar issues on iPhones Jul 29 15:52:49 I wish they'd announce carriers for pre3 already Jul 29 15:52:56 so I can start scheming about which ones best for me Jul 29 15:54:20 I think you can guess it's going to be AT&T and Verizon, since they have US GSM and US World-phone versions announced on Feb 9, and we all know Sprint ain't gonna carry a webOS phone. Jul 29 15:54:36 by the process of elimination, that makes it pretty clear. Jul 29 15:54:44 yeah, that's what I've been assuming, but I wish they'd just finalize already Jul 29 15:55:02 "they" being the carriers, not HP, right? Jul 29 15:55:15 whoever is holding up the announcement process Jul 29 15:55:19 so yes, probably the carriers Jul 29 15:55:24 since the carriers control the timing of any announcement Jul 29 15:55:35 indeed Jul 29 15:55:47 I really don't want to have to go to AT&T, but gsm is compelling Jul 29 15:56:05 despite having really mediocre service in areas where I need it Jul 29 15:56:18 GSM rules. US GSM, however, sucks. Jul 29 15:56:23 this. Jul 29 15:56:55 in some ways, I'd like to see AT&T & T-Mobile merge in the US, because it might make gsm viable Jul 29 15:57:02 but knowing AT&T, I'm skeptical Jul 29 15:57:15 i want AT&T and T-Mobile to merge so that T-Mobile can use the EU 3G frequencies Jul 29 15:57:15 also, there's the whole "monopoly" thing Jul 29 15:57:30 by virtue of tower sharing Jul 29 15:58:19 I can get a 15% discount on AT&T, apparently, by virtue of being a grad student Jul 29 15:58:21 or something Jul 29 15:58:44 the price is still hard to swallow, compared to my unreasonably good sero plan Jul 29 15:58:56 meh Jul 29 15:58:58 cost of doing business Jul 29 15:59:10 * PatrickC might end up working for sprint.. Jul 29 15:59:11 yes, I understand that Jul 29 15:59:17 so I know who I'm staying with.. Jul 29 16:00:02 PatrickC: somehow, I don't think they'll be terribly happy with you carrying a sprintified version of a phone they don't offer if you're one of their employees :) Jul 29 16:00:17 hehe Jul 29 16:00:18 I'm assuming salesperson? Jul 29 16:00:27 probably a tech actually.. Jul 29 16:00:35 oh Jul 29 16:00:47 yeah.. lol Jul 29 16:00:52 i need help Jul 29 16:01:02 the tech at sprint said I know more then her about most phones Jul 29 16:01:04 i upgraded eclipse today. and installed android sdk last night Jul 29 16:01:16 now when i try to launch my app that worked fine last night i'm getting errors Jul 29 16:01:22 android uses the Java Eclipse Jul 29 16:01:22 and when i change something it's not sticking Jul 29 16:01:40 fxspec06: why ask android questions here? Jul 29 16:01:53 PatrickC it's not a fn android question Jul 29 16:02:00 my touchpad emulator won't run correctly Jul 29 16:02:05 oh.. wow. Jul 29 16:02:17 fxspec06: what error specifically? Jul 29 16:02:24 umm.. I have no clue Jul 29 16:02:34 i try to run it too fast after i just ran it and it gives me an error Jul 29 16:02:40 cannot delete ipk Jul 29 16:02:47 run it from the command line? Jul 29 16:02:51 eclipse java.io.IOException: file could not be deleted Jul 29 16:03:12 android ask uses the java eclipse, not the javascript/web Jul 29 16:03:15 then find the file and delete it? sounds like permissions got messed up Jul 29 16:03:19 funkatron: got the shorturl part of spazcore working on its own. nice! Jul 29 16:03:22 saved me a bit of time Jul 29 16:03:24 wooooot Jul 29 16:03:24 PatrickC: ITS THE SAME GODDAMN EDITOR Jul 29 16:03:32 thank you halfhalo Jul 29 16:03:36 halfhalo-work: huh? Jul 29 16:03:56 eclipse is eclipse Jul 29 16:04:13 oh.. I thought there were different versions.. Jul 29 16:04:28 like now i can't even run any app.... ah i don't even know what's wrong Jul 29 16:04:47 i did help -> check for updates today and updated to 3.6.2 and updated the palm SDK to 2.0.0 Jul 29 16:04:50 PatrickC: nope, it's all the same, presumably just plugins for the webos stuff Jul 29 16:04:51 mayb that did something Jul 29 16:04:54 can you palm-install and palm-install -r Jul 29 16:05:01 summatusmentis: ah Jul 29 16:05:14 PatrickC: you run the applications from eclipse Jul 29 16:05:21 eclipse send to the emulator automatically Jul 29 16:05:48 maybe eclipse is not working Jul 29 16:05:52 or maybe the sdk is broke Jul 29 16:05:54 i jus tried to launch my wild'n poker game.... Jul 29 16:05:55 [20110729-12:05:55.678987] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework506, /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js:142 Jul 29 16:05:55 [20110729-12:05:55.767933] warning: No activity id available for service request! Jul 29 16:06:09 eclipse just has wrappers to palm stuff. Jul 29 16:06:15 nothing happens in the emulator Jul 29 16:06:24 i have NO idea Jul 29 16:06:31 i'll try reinstalling the SDK. myb that will fix Jul 29 16:13:53 could it be eclipse 3.6.2 Jul 29 16:13:58 does it have to be something else Jul 29 16:19:18 anyone tried using two touch pads with one palm profile? should it work? Jul 29 16:20:27 also, anyone noticed variations in the displays? (some warm colours / more yellow, some colder colours / more blue-white) Jul 29 16:23:36 savs: i have 3 identical dell monitors on my desk, and i noticed a variation between them Jul 29 16:24:26 every LCD is a tad bit different, hence color correction mechanisms Jul 29 16:24:27 An internal error occurred during: "Launching BeatPad". Jul 29 16:24:27 java.lang.NullPointerException Jul 29 16:24:53 crap where's the info on the cross app params for the stock apps Jul 29 16:24:54 ? Jul 29 16:25:07 esser: understood, but quite surprised at the wide difference here Jul 29 16:25:28 esser: http://www.flickr.com/photos/savs/5988131650/lightbox/ Jul 29 16:25:52 also only one of them sees the 3.02 update: http://www.flickr.com/photos/savs/5988132082/lightbox/ Jul 29 16:26:22 there found messaging Jul 29 16:27:13 savs: differences in LCDs don't mean anything. as for the update, it may be rolled out in staggered patterns to avoid overloading the origin Jul 29 16:27:23 although that might be a bit optimistic on behalf of the vendor ;) Jul 29 16:27:39 heh. what no HP Scale? ;-) Jul 29 16:27:48 (but fair comment, yes) Jul 29 16:28:05 it could also just be buggy as hell Jul 29 16:28:07 so maybe a reboot? Jul 29 16:28:45 well, the one that doesn't see the update crashed and restarted about 10 minutes ago so probably rebooting won't help ;) Jul 29 16:29:30 savs: is the 3.0.2 update out yet? Jul 29 16:29:41 my TP isn't showing it Jul 29 16:29:54 this supports my staggered rollout idea Jul 29 16:30:00 no, it isn't Jul 29 16:30:08 summatusmentis: my 32gb touchpad is pulling it down right now Jul 29 16:30:12 but I want it now Jul 29 16:30:22 orly? hrm Jul 29 16:30:22 interestingly, the 32gb touchpad is louder than the 16gb as well Jul 29 16:30:45 hardware version != hardware revision Jul 29 16:30:54 but couldn't get the 32 to use my existing profile, which is annoying :( Jul 29 16:31:15 HP is mailing me a replacement one anyway, I had cracking occur near the speakers Jul 29 16:31:47 that doesn't really sound stellar Jul 29 16:31:57 in retrospect, I should've gone to best buy and gotten a new one instead of the refurb one that HP is sending me, but whatever Jul 29 16:32:30 esser: it's just http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/exclusive-hp-quickly-replacing-select-touchpads-for-cosmetic-defect/ Jul 29 16:33:27 just noting that for $500, i would have expected that sort of thing not to happen Jul 29 16:33:28 you know? Jul 29 16:34:45 esser: it happens … apple macbook pros at $2000 had discoloured screens … the mac cube cracked … Jul 29 16:34:53 and I say that as an apple fanboy ;) Jul 29 16:35:07 anyone use metrix? Jul 29 16:35:39 morning, all. Jul 29 16:35:53 chuqui: hey! Jul 29 16:35:53 Hola chuqui Jul 29 16:36:03 any update on dev discounts? been 17 days.. Jul 29 16:36:07 it's FRIDAY!!!!!!!! Jul 29 16:36:13 woo! Jul 29 16:36:15 PatrickC: we're sending out coupons as fast as we can. Jul 29 16:36:19 chuqui: Any word on when the next "fat app" rollout will be? Jul 29 16:36:20 ok Jul 29 16:36:25 ianbeck: no. Jul 29 16:36:46 PatrickC: you're not waiting for an emea coupon, are you? Those are running behind the US. who know. HP has bureaucracy. Jul 29 16:36:59 emea? Jul 29 16:37:15 I'm waiting to find out what belt I am, and about loaners/dev discount Jul 29 16:37:18 europe Jul 29 16:37:23 nope Jul 29 16:37:25 I'm US Jul 29 16:37:28 k Jul 29 16:37:36 those are going. they're getting through the requests as fast as I can whip them. Jul 29 16:37:42 um, encourage them. Jul 29 16:37:46 haha Jul 29 16:37:54 * PatrickC mumbles at Metrix Jul 29 16:38:11 chuq is there any possibility eclipse would screw up running my webos app after update Jul 29 16:38:20 * PatrickC and chuqui for not whipping, err, encouraging them fast enough ;) Jul 29 16:38:21 and we've been talking with management about staffing up that team more so that it doesn't bog down like it tends to. Just too many requests, not enough bodies at times. Jul 29 16:38:31 and also i replied to your early access email yesterday as well. =p Jul 29 16:38:33 fxspec06: not that I've heard of. Jul 29 16:38:48 fxspec06: I turn around early access once or twice a day, depending on how much time I waste in IRC. Jul 29 16:38:57 um, how much time it takes to response to developer needs. Jul 29 16:39:07 alright, no prob no rush =) Jul 29 16:39:33 fxspec06: its not like there's tons of updates you are missing out on or anything.. Jul 29 16:39:35 chuqui: Hi. How's it going with the loaner program? Jul 29 16:39:38 I'm off doing my morning rounds in the dev forums now. as soon as I'm done getting yelled at in there, I'll do early acces. Jul 29 16:39:46 akanster: making progress on the backlog. Jul 29 16:39:49 nothing like 2.4 on phones.. :) Jul 29 16:39:57 i can't figure out what's wrong w/ eclipse -.- Jul 29 16:40:01 PatrickC: shhhh. he's not in it for the updates. He's in it for the dancing elephants. Jul 29 16:40:16 :cmon: Jul 29 16:40:29 chuqui: why did you have to mention the elephants?? that's the initiation! Jul 29 16:42:13 PatrickC: oops. sorry. Jul 29 16:42:31 funkatron: hey, ed! happy friday. Jul 29 16:42:41 hola amigo Jul 29 16:42:48 its ok.. we'll just have to find something new for fxspec06 Jul 29 16:44:50 it's like Jul 29 16:44:55 eclipse is stuck in android mode Jul 29 16:44:58 WTF WTF WTF Jul 29 16:45:34 change perspectives? Jul 29 16:45:46 change editor? Jul 29 16:46:02 use notepad++? Jul 29 16:46:05 i don't even know what's wrong. it's not perspectives. like, when i try to run an app it never works now Jul 29 16:46:12 chuqui: Who should I be pestering about fat app submissions? Right now my bug fixes for 3.0.2 have been stuck in limbo 2+ weeks and a previous reviewer didn't mark my first round of bugfixes as compatible with anything but TouchPad :-\ Jul 29 16:46:55 fxspec06: sounds like your palm plugins might be borked...remove them, (possibly re-install java), re-install palm plugins Jul 29 16:47:29 ok i will try that Jul 29 16:48:15 ianbeck: drop an email to pdc@ and I'll get it forwarded to th review team and ask them what's going on. Jul 29 16:49:57 quick poll for gReader users: do you have a feed in more than one folder/label ? Jul 29 16:50:05 like the same feed in two folders Jul 29 16:50:15 Tibfib: yes Jul 29 16:50:20 often Jul 29 16:50:23 bah Jul 29 16:50:34 I was going to ignore that, but I guess I'll support it :) Jul 29 16:50:37 I also have hundreds of feeds, please ... scale well. :) Jul 29 16:50:43 I think Jul 29 16:50:57 I think Mosaic ... brought my TP to its knees when I got it running. Jul 29 16:51:06 well I'll see what I can do Jul 29 16:51:10 I can't promise anything :) Jul 29 16:51:27 something other than "lets load up all their feeds ... Jul 29 16:51:29 :) Jul 29 16:51:37 that's precisely what nomnomnom does Jul 29 16:51:38 that's the rub Jul 29 16:51:39 ;) Jul 29 16:51:58 once I get all the features in, I'll start working on caching and so forth Jul 29 16:55:01 folders for greader are more like tags. I have things like "text" and "photos" but then also "osx" or "webos" and they go in the one of all the text feeds. or "favorite" or "way too many posts per day" Jul 29 16:55:47 i also almost never read a particular feed, but the "river of news" for a particular tag. Jul 29 16:56:14 what do you mean the "river of news" for a tag? Jul 29 16:56:46 all feeds under a tag, combined into one stream Jul 29 16:56:51 exactly Jul 29 16:57:06 that's what I would do as well, personally Jul 29 16:57:37 (although I had to declare feed bankruptcy and deleted most of my feeds) Jul 29 16:57:43 oh, yeah nomnomnom does that Jul 29 16:58:31 i gave up on that view for "all" feeds as some high frequency feeds just make that useless, but now just do that for particular tags. Jul 29 16:58:45 currently when you tap on a folder/tag, it shows a popup where you can select all feeds in a tag, or a specific feed Jul 29 16:59:02 I will probably make that popup an option Jul 29 16:59:22 that would be good, just give an option to "always do this" in the popup the first time around. Jul 29 16:59:39 I'm going do that with opening links from articles in Paper Mache. Jul 29 17:00:25 also find the "recommended items" and "recommended sources" particularly useful too. Jul 29 17:00:54 oh yeah, that's the instapaper app, right? Jul 29 17:01:00 ya Jul 29 17:01:01 do you have cross launch app params? Jul 29 17:01:10 or is the instapaper api pretty easy? Jul 29 17:01:15 I want to add saving to instapaper Jul 29 17:01:24 the API is easy, but also have cross launch params. Jul 29 17:01:27 * fxspec06 is ready to shoot his computer Jul 29 17:01:38 reboot before shoot Jul 29 17:01:51 hmmmmm Jul 29 17:02:14 "action: 'add', url: ''" and other optional params for title, description, and content. Jul 29 17:02:15 I think perhaps I'll use the cross launch params and then eventually add true support Jul 29 17:03:00 ya, cross launch is easier - otherwise you need to again prompt for user/pass or decode how he does it in the bookmarklet. Jul 29 17:03:20 oh dangit. that's true Jul 29 17:03:25 hmmmmmm Jul 29 17:03:36 really unfortunate that you must render a window on cross launch. silent add would be nice. Jul 29 17:03:53 you may be able to do it with a dashboard Jul 29 17:03:53 next version will just open the window and immediately close it. Jul 29 17:03:57 ah Jul 29 17:03:58 no, tried that. Jul 29 17:04:14 the card appears, but no page rendered. :/ asked Ben about that. Jul 29 17:04:14 hmm. I think you *used* to be able to use a dashboard Jul 29 17:04:23 ya, pre 1.4.5 I think Jul 29 17:04:34 :/ Jul 29 17:04:52 you can do it from alarm, just not cross launch. Jul 29 17:05:08 oh that's what I'm thinking of Jul 29 17:05:18 what if you set an alarm to do cross launch? Jul 29 17:05:36 hm. Jul 29 17:05:44 you could then provide people that want to cross launch to your app with that code Jul 29 17:06:24 "your url will be added within the next 5 minutes" Jul 29 17:06:31 heh Jul 29 17:06:38 hahaa Jul 29 17:06:44 funkatron: if you do "at" you can be instant Jul 29 17:06:51 8D Jul 29 17:06:52 haeffb had some code on that Jul 29 17:08:01 pretty hackish, but sounds like it would work. Jul 29 17:08:11 yeah, that's icky 8D Jul 29 17:08:14 alas Jul 29 17:08:43 rwatkins: a central Synergy service for Instapaper might be another option Jul 29 17:08:54 hmmm Jul 29 17:09:06 Handle your authentication details there, expose the service to third parties Jul 29 17:09:16 Not sure how it would tie into Paper Mache's existing sync code, though Jul 29 17:09:28 can an app install a synergy service? Jul 29 17:09:30 wouldn't that be a lot harder to integrate for devs? Jul 29 17:09:32 ya, that was the other option Ben gave - create a service side for my app Jul 29 17:09:48 chuqui: 32gb touchpad just updated to 3.0.2 shows NO apps in the app store other than Facebook. I like the Facebook app, but that's a bit extreme ;-) Jul 29 17:09:49 that'd be a lot cooler though Jul 29 17:09:50 but means then i likely need to move to both db8 and move all the api/cache stuff to a service. Jul 29 17:09:59 Tibfib: should be pretty much the same from a developer's standpoint; just using a different service instead of the application manager or whatever Jul 29 17:10:03 savs: nda Jul 29 17:10:09 chuqui: it also shows no categories, and in the "Top" list only has "AllSocial Networking" (sic) Jul 29 17:10:10 ianbeck: oh yeah, that's true Jul 29 17:10:13 savs: if it's running the developer image, that's why Jul 29 17:10:20 it's not the developer release. Jul 29 17:10:26 welp Jul 29 17:10:39 Tibfib: public update, not developer release Jul 29 17:10:44 rwatkins: Yeah, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to just do the "add article" code in the synergy service Jul 29 17:10:48 savs: from where? Jul 29 17:10:50 Not sure if architecturally it would work, though Jul 29 17:10:53 over the air Jul 29 17:10:56 oh Jul 29 17:10:57 DANG Jul 29 17:11:00 3.0.2 is out Jul 29 17:11:02 hahaa Jul 29 17:11:06 I did not know that Jul 29 17:11:11 but only on this one device, the other didn't get it :-( Jul 29 17:11:14 ianbeck: ya, i could .. and then subscribe to listen for "adds" in the app an process them. Jul 29 17:11:17 maybe it is java Jul 29 17:11:21 * fxspec06 crosses fingers Jul 29 17:11:23 3.0.2 really out? Jul 29 17:11:29 chuqui: ping Jul 29 17:11:33 rwatkins: only showed up on this one device Jul 29 17:11:42 ugh. have glaring UI issue in Paper Mache for 3.0.2 I have not yet submitted a fix for. :/ Jul 29 17:11:42 savs: anything special about your device? Jul 29 17:11:44 No, 3.0.2 is not out; savs is probably on a development device Jul 29 17:11:54 savs, where are you? Jul 29 17:11:57 UK Jul 29 17:12:00 Tibfib: poing. Jul 29 17:12:23 savs: and you got the OTA for 3.0.2? Jul 29 17:12:23 chuqui: we are just discussing savs' 3.0.2 update Jul 29 17:12:28 it picked it up, yes Jul 29 17:12:30 thought you'd like to know Jul 29 17:13:22 savs: in device info, what's the version? and if you touch on version, it'll switch to build. what's it say? Jul 29 17:13:28 Tibfib: yes, thanks! Jul 29 17:13:45 somebody changed the underlying implementation of a ToggleButton in enyo post-1.0 :/ Jul 29 17:13:53 jerks Jul 29 17:14:15 makes it kinda hard to customize via css if they change the underlying html structure. Jul 29 17:14:17 rwatkins: Yeah, ran into the same problem; fortunately just a CSS fix to get it running, though Jul 29 17:15:21 ya, got it fixed already but started rewriting the scrolling/paging stuff since .. which I kinda need to finish now. Jul 29 17:15:33 but hey, pages will animate forward back now in paged mode. Jul 29 17:16:07 I love the pagination; anecdotally, it's better than the official iOS Instapaper app's Jul 29 17:16:42 ianbeck: why better? Jul 29 17:16:43 you have to pay instapaper monthly to use paper mache right? Jul 29 17:16:56 ya - $1 / month. Jul 29 17:17:02 oh, that's not bad Jul 29 17:17:09 rwatkins: Because it doesn't screw up as often and fail utterly to work :-) Jul 29 17:17:25 ya, its trivial if you use it, just hard to get over the hump if you dont really realize you want it. Jul 29 17:18:15 ianbeck: ha! ok. I see how IP is sometimes better - like I send you to the right "page" when you swtich from scroll, but I dont leave the current lines in place. and I think the decenders sometimes get clipped by webkit. Jul 29 17:18:31 i should have ping timout set smaller.. Jul 29 17:18:34 :/ Jul 29 17:22:34 ianbeck: you have any bright ideas about how I could do text selection in Paper Mache? its not a RichEdit or WebView. Jul 29 17:24:08 rwatkins: You should theoretically be able to enable text selection via CSS Jul 29 17:24:24 setting contenteditable? or .. ? Jul 29 17:24:26 Looking up specific properties Jul 29 17:24:35 I can never remember them off the top of my head Jul 29 17:25:09 -webkit-user-select: text; Jul 29 17:25:19 Not sure if that will do it on its own, or if you will need to enable contentEditable Jul 29 17:25:42 Which might be problematic with the keyboard Jul 29 17:25:48 hm thx. wonder if they just set that in enyo for the components, or its just generally off for webkit apps. Jul 29 17:26:02 ya, contenteditable would trigger the keyboard. Jul 29 17:26:17 I'll check out user-select and see if I can enable it. thx! Jul 29 17:26:17 -webkit-user-modify: read-only; might also help Jul 29 17:26:42 I think you can put the keyboard in manual mode? might be able to suppress it that way Jul 29 17:27:05 Yeah, it'd be a hack but you could listen to the tap event and toggle off the keyboard for a bit Jul 29 17:28:35 ya, there is very little in the UI that needs the keyboard. Jul 29 17:35:53 i still can't get my game to run from eclipse. Jul 29 17:35:56 or any other app Jul 29 17:35:57 http://uoid.me/gmail2 Jul 29 17:35:59 in any emulator Jul 29 17:36:13 gmail man video above pretty whitty Jul 29 17:36:21 i've reinstalled plugins. i've reinstalled SDK. i've reinstalled java Jul 29 17:38:20 it says launching Jul 29 17:38:29 the bar finishes Jul 29 17:38:34 weird Jul 29 17:38:34 but nothing shows up in the emulator Jul 29 17:38:44 umm.. do u know where the actual ipk is/ Jul 29 17:38:46 it's not weird Jul 29 17:38:46 ?Z Jul 29 17:38:49 ?* Jul 29 17:38:52 i can't do anything Jul 29 17:38:54 oh neat, my TP is unresponsive Jul 29 17:39:06 it maked the IPK on the fly Jul 29 17:39:14 where does it store it? Jul 29 17:39:15 so i don't have to make it every single time Jul 29 17:39:18 try and palm-install it Jul 29 17:39:19 it doesn't store it Jul 29 17:39:25 it makes it and sends it to the emulator Jul 29 17:39:30 patrick, this si eclipse Jul 29 17:39:33 can u make it into an IPK and try to palm-install it? Jul 29 17:39:41 patrick you're not getting it Jul 29 17:39:45 i can make an ipk and send it Jul 29 17:39:47 just fine Jul 29 17:39:52 -eclipse- is not working Jul 29 17:39:58 so its *only* eclipse? Jul 29 17:40:00 ok Jul 29 17:40:03 YES Jul 29 17:40:14 it's -only- eclipse Jul 29 17:40:31 and it -only- happened when i updated the palm sdk plugin and the eclipse version number Jul 29 17:40:53 i also updated java and installed the JDK Jul 29 17:41:30 trust me, ctrl + f11 is a lot faster than making an IPK myself Jul 29 17:41:33 and sending it over Jul 29 17:41:59 i'm about to reinstall eclipse Jul 29 17:42:04 which i DONT' wnat to do Jul 29 17:42:10 i've wasted 6 hrs today already Jul 29 17:42:17 that sucks Jul 29 17:42:41 although making an IPK is fast if you just write a simple script to do it Jul 29 17:43:00 obviously you would like Eclipse to not break. Jul 29 17:43:00 its also fast if u just use cmd line tools.. Jul 29 17:43:17 PatrickC: yes, see writing a script Jul 29 17:43:30 palm-package is writing a script? Jul 29 17:43:51 a script is a double click Jul 29 17:44:06 or a single click in the taskbar Jul 29 17:44:10 I want one command package+install+follow log Jul 29 17:44:28 i want to write a computer.explode() script Jul 29 17:44:32 erm, no Jul 29 17:44:38 I mean writing a CLI script Jul 29 17:44:38 what the heck Jul 29 17:44:44 why won't my scroller flex Jul 29 17:44:55 a virtual repeater will flex Jul 29 17:44:55 so you can run that script from the CLI and it would do these commands for you Jul 29 17:45:38 okay, eclipse has a revert tool Jul 29 17:45:45 * fxspec06 crosses fingers again Jul 29 17:46:22 palm-run [app source dir] Jul 29 17:46:34 pacakages, installs, logs, deletes all in one Jul 29 17:46:39 that too Jul 29 17:46:40 damn command-line tools Jul 29 17:46:43 nice! Jul 29 17:46:52 anyone user chrome on ubuntu? Jul 29 17:48:43 I don't always use ubuntu, but when I do, I use chrome Jul 29 17:49:06 do u have to use the switch everytime? like the --allow-file-access-from-files Jul 29 17:49:13 or can u have a link that has it built in? Jul 29 17:49:21 no clue. Jul 29 17:49:25 ok Jul 29 17:49:26 thanks Jul 29 17:49:27 I assume you can make a shortcut though Jul 29 17:49:38 i just dont know how.. so thats why i was asking Jul 29 17:49:43 im sure u can too Jul 29 17:49:46 i do Jul 29 17:49:56 i dont know how either Jul 29 17:50:07 holy crap Jul 29 17:50:09 the new ubuntu interface makes it impossible to modify the shortcut Jul 29 17:50:23 I called about a replacement touchpad yesterday Jul 29 17:50:24 yeah.. Jul 29 17:50:26 and I got it today Jul 29 17:50:27 you need a second profile for Chrome unless you want to leave yourself vulnerable to nasty web security issues when you are looking at sites that aren't your enyo app Jul 29 17:50:31 wow Jul 29 17:50:38 can i have your old one Jul 29 17:50:39 google how to make a second profile for web dev Jul 29 17:50:45 sugardave, ok Jul 29 17:50:47 and then on that shortcut, set the flags Jul 29 17:50:55 matbee: if you wanna cover the $365 hold they put on my account, sure! Jul 29 17:51:02 k Jul 29 17:51:04 thats still cheaper Jul 29 17:51:08 money is on its way Jul 29 17:51:12 heh Jul 29 17:51:13 wait, whats the problem Jul 29 17:51:24 haha Jul 29 17:51:36 sugardave: will the different profiles remember their respective window sizes? Jul 29 17:52:03 akanster: hmmm, I THINK so, but I use a window resizer extension anyway Jul 29 17:52:13 matbee: cracking around the speakers Jul 29 17:52:32 nothing major, I didn't notice it until I saw the webosroundup article Jul 29 17:52:33 ahhh Jul 29 17:53:05 that's it i'm reinstalling eclipse Jul 29 17:53:07 sugardave, i dont see any documentation on how to do that in ubuntu Jul 29 17:53:14 fxspec.. Jul 29 17:53:18 haha Jul 29 17:53:32 uhoh Jul 29 17:53:33 lol Jul 29 17:53:46 we making fun of someone? if so, i am so in. Jul 29 17:54:08 yep Jul 29 17:54:17 * matbee starts logging Jul 29 17:54:38 he logged off of gchat too lol Jul 29 17:54:59 PatrickC: http://tinyurl.com/3t26lkk Jul 29 17:55:37 heh Jul 29 17:55:43 sugardave, i googled how to make a second profile for chrome ubuntu Jul 29 17:56:15 the page I just sent you to, first result, linux instructions :/ Jul 29 17:57:21 saw it Jul 29 17:57:33 so....do that Jul 29 17:58:06 PatrickC, lets team up on this one Jul 29 17:58:10 matbee, ok Jul 29 17:58:23 bah, linux Jul 29 17:58:26 ~/.config/google-chrome/Default Jul 29 17:58:30 i saw that Jul 29 17:58:32 hm Jul 29 17:58:36 now i need to find out how to get there Jul 29 17:58:44 go into your terminal Jul 29 17:58:46 ~ == your home directory Jul 29 17:58:47 and paste "cd ~/.config/google-chrome/Default" Jul 29 17:58:55 matbee, tried that Jul 29 17:58:56 when you open a terminal, it defaults to...wait for it Jul 29 17:58:56 brilliant! Jul 29 17:58:59 your home directory Jul 29 17:59:02 oh.. im running chromium Jul 29 17:59:16 then change it to the chromium dir Jul 29 17:59:17 so it wont be the exact same cmd Jul 29 17:59:24 but you said ubuntu? Jul 29 17:59:26 hm Jul 29 17:59:30 * Tibfib is failing miserably at groups and virtual repeaters" Jul 29 17:59:37 Tibfib: STOP IT Jul 29 17:59:44 lol Jul 29 17:59:48 yes sir Jul 29 18:00:06 matbee, im in my default dir Jul 29 18:00:28 ok Jul 29 18:00:29 exit chrome Jul 29 18:00:42 ok Jul 29 18:00:55 now "cd .." Jul 29 18:01:01 ok Jul 29 18:01:04 "mv Default BackupDefault" Jul 29 18:01:20 done Jul 29 18:01:25 and start up chrome again? Jul 29 18:01:33 ill try it Jul 29 18:01:46 knowledge application....learn it, love it Jul 29 18:01:55 i now have BackupDefault and Default Jul 29 18:02:05 now, i dont know how to load a profile Jul 29 18:02:18 the BackupDefault and Default r the profiles Jul 29 18:02:57 I keep finding random awesome keyboard shortcuts for sublime 2 Jul 29 18:03:10 i <3 sublime2 Jul 29 18:03:18 * PatrickC uses NP++ Jul 29 18:03:28 ctrl + { or } moves the line a tab to the left or right Jul 29 18:03:41 ooo Jul 29 18:03:43 thats awesome Jul 29 18:03:44 yeah Jul 29 18:03:46 some forum threads are getting hostile :) Jul 29 18:04:05 * akanster microwaves popcorn Jul 29 18:04:20 akanster: linkkk? Jul 29 18:04:28 matbee, where is the ./config folder? Jul 29 18:04:36 if im trying to access it with a file browser? Jul 29 18:04:40 /home/yourusername/.config/ Jul 29 18:04:44 Tibfib: here's one - https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16897 Jul 29 18:04:44 its like explaining things to a brick wall Jul 29 18:04:46 Tibfib: in normal editors, tab and backspace do the same thing :-P Jul 29 18:04:56 summatusmentis: that is from ANYWHERE in the line Jul 29 18:05:07 tab you have to be on the left of the text Jul 29 18:05:14 oh fine, semantics Jul 29 18:05:16 :) Jul 29 18:05:18 lol Jul 29 18:05:43 .config will be hidden in most file browsers Jul 29 18:05:51 it was Jul 29 18:06:02 hmm.. now. idk where to put the switch Jul 29 18:06:13 this doctor needs to finish downloading Jul 29 18:06:52 i dont either Jul 29 18:07:13 hrmm.. Jul 29 18:07:19 sugardave knows i bet.. Jul 29 18:07:22 :) Jul 29 18:08:15 akanster: that anaya guy is super opinionated Jul 29 18:08:20 and I'm not saying that in a good way Jul 29 18:08:29 haha Jul 29 18:08:33 and his avatar scares me Jul 29 18:08:34 Tibfib, I'm super opinionated too Jul 29 18:08:42 yeah me too Jul 29 18:09:02 matbee: but you don't seem to _always_ have poor opinions though Jul 29 18:09:03 ;) Jul 29 18:09:07 hahaha Jul 29 18:09:45 I want Enyo to be licensed enough so i can use it for any platform Jul 29 18:10:07 I think everyone wnats that Jul 29 18:10:32 and Apple will mofify their EULA to explicitly ban Enyo Jul 29 18:10:56 i dont. i'd rather they focus on other things than cross browser issues in Enyo. Jul 29 18:11:20 pfft Jul 29 18:11:33 i'm sorry but jquery mobile will take over than Jul 29 18:11:37 My Pre 2's GPS is a tad wonky I think... Jul 29 18:11:45 Just now it thought I was in South Korea... Jul 29 18:11:49 o_O Jul 29 18:11:54 zomg, I was in europe a few weeks ago Jul 29 18:11:58 ....i'm in canada. Jul 29 18:12:05 Yeah.. I'm in Finland.. :D Jul 29 18:12:18 ugh.. my button wont work.. Jul 29 18:12:19 lemme paste Jul 29 18:12:35 enyo is great, but unlikely to be so open as to win those framework wars. Jul 29 18:12:43 rwatkins, heck, as long as they make it work on webkit -- that's perfect Jul 29 18:12:50 i dont care about gecko or ie Jul 29 18:12:59 http://pastebin.com/5iRzjDBR Jul 29 18:13:22 matbee: webOS 3 webkit? webOS 2 webkit? iOS 4 webkit? Android webkit? Chrome webkit? Jul 29 18:13:23 the button is suppose to launch the streaming player Jul 29 18:13:28 Blackberry webkit? Jul 29 18:13:31 .... Jul 29 18:13:33 rwatkins, all of the above :) Jul 29 18:13:48 rwatkins, honestly -- ios webkit, because they're the only ones doing it right Jul 29 18:13:52 ios webkit and chrome webkit Jul 29 18:14:01 ya, exactly. I'd rather have drag and drop virtual list than works on android thank you. Jul 29 18:14:04 and then they can make webos webkit work better Jul 29 18:14:10 anyone see why my app wouldnt be launching the streaming player? Jul 29 18:14:19 which ios webkit? which chrome webkit? Jul 29 18:14:24 ... Jul 29 18:14:34 iOS3? iOS4? iOS4? android chrome or desktop chrome? Jul 29 18:14:42 latest ios, obviously Jul 29 18:14:52 not iOS5? Jul 29 18:14:52 because apple updates their platforms webkit Jul 29 18:15:05 my point is .. "works in webkit" is not the same as "works in webOS webkit" Jul 29 18:15:16 rwatkins, and that's a problem. Jul 29 18:15:28 right, and there are limited dev resources. Jul 29 18:15:32 webos's webkit is lacking in -so- many features Jul 29 18:15:47 no text shadows, seriously. Jul 29 18:15:51 so .. where should they spend the time? adding font-face support to webOS, or making enyo work on android? Jul 29 18:16:03 rwatkins, they're doing -neither- haha Jul 29 18:16:05 the answer cannot always be 'both'. Jul 29 18:16:55 of course i'd love them to do both, but webos is a different part of palm than their enyo developers Jul 29 18:17:08 enyo doesnt even work in webkit from webOS 2.1, so .. clearly cross platform work is non-trivial. Jul 29 18:17:21 FORGET YOU GROUP AND VIRTUALREPEATER. YOU"RE GETTING REPLACED Jul 29 18:18:12 Has anyone gotten socket.io working on webos 2.1? Jul 29 18:18:19 wow.. ok.. this is dumb.. Jul 29 18:19:11 I feel like we are all having similar days Jul 29 18:19:34 i'm just getting ready for the cottage Jul 29 18:19:35 :D Jul 29 18:20:26 Tibfib, im just having issues with my stupid button.. Jul 29 18:20:38 ................ Jul 29 18:20:59 yeah.. it should work.. but it doesnt Jul 29 18:21:23 ... Jul 29 18:21:37 lol Jul 29 18:21:46 that's why mojo makes me angry Jul 29 18:21:51 yes Jul 29 18:21:58 things will only look good if you magically find a way to load the right widgets Jul 29 18:22:07 and undocumented ways too Jul 29 18:22:17 every mojo.text i ever used has been hideous Jul 29 18:22:22 so i end up making my own Jul 29 18:22:34 but it looks fine in ares... Jul 29 18:22:48 I copy code -exactly- from examples and it looks dumb as ass Jul 29 18:23:09 yeah.. Jul 29 18:23:29 that's an odd expression Jul 29 18:23:33 like i have http://pastebin.com/c7j3rrAV and nothing happens when u hit the button Jul 29 18:24:39 WHEN YOU POST CODE, SELECT SYNTAX HIGHLIGHTING! Jul 29 18:24:44 hahaha Jul 29 18:24:52 lol ok Jul 29 18:24:55 sorry, small pet peeve Jul 29 18:25:59 lol Jul 29 18:26:58 http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/07/26/uk-hp-pre-3-now-up-for-pre-order-with-orange-and-t-mobile-contracts-free-from-20-42-per-month/ - Pre 3 up for pre-order in the UK Jul 29 18:27:29 ok.. UI looks a little better Jul 29 18:27:45 button still doesnt work.. and my textfields flow outside the group/list.. Jul 29 18:28:41 pre3 Jul 29 18:28:42 urgggh Jul 29 18:28:52 i wish my pre 2 would work with their touch to share Jul 29 18:30:10 i hate the garbage zhephree put out for sending websites and whatnot Jul 29 18:30:15 the interface pisses me off Jul 29 18:30:21 neato! ? Jul 29 18:30:25 yeah that one Jul 29 18:31:00 total garbage Jul 29 18:31:17 if webos supported websockets it'd be so easy to make that pubnub crap Jul 29 18:31:28 Villo uses pubnub Jul 29 18:31:33 asdgodfz Jul 29 18:32:07 i get it, its easy to use Jul 29 18:32:09 but like holy hell Jul 29 18:35:15 i have an error dialog.. but i want it to be just a regular popup.. whats it called? Jul 29 18:35:19 webos101 doesnt show dialog Jul 29 18:35:22 or popup Jul 29 18:35:27 ModalDialog Jul 29 18:35:51 thanks Jul 29 18:36:08 wow.. i do a google for it.. and the dev center pops up.. with enyo... Jul 29 18:44:56 ugh.. whats the best text editor for ubuntu? Jul 29 18:45:10 i dont like the stock one, or Kate, or GVIM, or GNU Emacs Jul 29 18:45:22 lulz Jul 29 18:45:41 i like NP++ but its not available for ubuntu Jul 29 18:46:48 kate is damned close to np++ Jul 29 18:46:57 really? Jul 29 18:47:02 PatrickC, Sublime Text 2 Jul 29 18:47:15 Loudergood: you have that backwards Jul 29 18:47:25 dude, text editors are the one thing Linux has a lot of. Jul 29 18:47:29 PatrickC: leran vim, it's weird at first, but you'll love it later Jul 29 18:47:40 bleh Jul 29 18:47:44 PuffTheMagic: not from his perspective Jul 29 18:47:44 sublime is the beezneez Jul 29 18:48:26 PatrickC: if you are on a gtk system checkout Geany Jul 29 18:48:53 PuffTheMagic, GTK? im using Ubuntu Jul 29 18:48:56 or bluefish Jul 29 18:49:11 sugardave: do you have a min? Jul 29 18:49:17 using ubuntu does not mean you are 100% using gtk Jul 29 18:49:18 only like 99% Jul 29 18:49:32 99.99999999 more like it Jul 29 18:49:58 PatrickC: http://www.geany.org/ Jul 29 18:50:03 PatrickC: GTK is the gui toolkit that gnome uses, and most of your ubuntu apps are using, most llikely Jul 29 18:50:05 lllllikely Jul 29 18:50:09 apt-get install geany ;P Jul 29 18:50:49 funkatron: i know, but i wouldnt put it past someone to install qt apps or even kde Jul 29 18:50:51 matbee, apt-get install sublimetext2 doesnt work Jul 29 18:51:01 oh fo sho Jul 29 18:51:07 you dont want that PatrickC Jul 29 18:51:22 PatrickC, yeah, you download it Jul 29 18:51:23 anything that has a windows build you dont want ;) Jul 29 18:51:31 haha Jul 29 18:51:32 general rule of thumb Jul 29 18:51:49 Sublime Text 2 gets a thumbs-up from me too Jul 29 18:51:59 lo Jul 29 18:52:02 lol* Jul 29 18:52:02 but you should always try several things and use what you dig Jul 29 18:53:45 matbee, yeah, and have to compile it lol Jul 29 18:53:50 nope Jul 29 18:53:55 you just execute it Jul 29 18:53:59 really? cool Jul 29 19:00:12 i might start using sublime text on my windows machine :) Jul 29 19:05:57 PatrickC, yeah, it's pretty Jul 29 19:06:02 yeah Jul 29 19:06:05 definately Jul 29 19:06:23 something linux needs :p Jul 29 19:08:38 matbee, whats the benefits of registering? Jul 29 19:08:59 ooh I just had a good idea for nomnomnom Jul 29 19:09:02 no occasional popup Jul 29 19:09:13 but its a simple 'esc' away Jul 29 19:09:20 yeah Jul 29 19:09:23 seems that way Jul 29 19:09:23 and it supports this awesome piece of software Jul 29 19:09:46 ok.. now i have my groups for my textbox's set up.. time to get my button done Jul 29 19:10:10 i use monokai bright as my theme Jul 29 19:10:11 lol Jul 29 19:10:15 theres some ugly ones in tharrr Jul 29 19:11:05 I use fluidvision Jul 29 19:11:59 which might be a custom one I found Jul 29 19:11:59 haha Jul 29 19:12:49 iPlastic is for me Jul 29 19:13:08 yikes Jul 29 19:13:11 that hurt my face Jul 29 19:13:48 junk.. i just entered distraction free mode.. Jul 29 19:13:53 how do i exit? lol Jul 29 19:14:09 I think I'm going to go for sunburst for now Jul 29 19:14:24 shift + f11 Jul 29 19:15:22 Hrm, apparently people at work think the touchstone is "cool" Jul 29 19:16:12 Hendikins, why wouldnt they? Jul 29 19:19:26 hmmm what would be a good menu icon to represent "edit mode" Jul 29 19:19:26 PatrickC: I'm more surprised that it is noteworthy enough to actually say as much. Jul 29 19:19:55 it def. is Jul 29 19:19:59 what other phone has it? Jul 29 19:20:05 that is made *for it* Jul 29 19:23:01 fxspec06, help! Jul 29 19:24:16 why Jul 29 19:24:18 is this doing this Jul 29 19:24:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGkentO9smU Jul 29 19:24:54 i need help with villo registration Jul 29 19:25:01 i can't help right now Jul 29 19:25:05 ok.. Jul 29 19:25:08 lemme know when u can Jul 29 19:26:35 i have everything working but my callback Jul 29 19:26:46 download the latest villo Jul 29 19:26:57 i should already have it.. Jul 29 19:27:00 PatrickC: I'm not in a tech industry. Hence the surprise that it is commented on. Jul 29 19:27:02 ill download it again Jul 29 19:27:34 * Tibfib lols at his attempt to make an edit menu-icon Jul 29 19:28:43 Hendikins: I have one in my car Jul 29 19:29:11 my brother's eyes just about popped out of his head when I dropped the phone on there Jul 29 19:29:13 Loudergood: I don't drive. I do keep one in my work bag though. Jul 29 19:29:40 yeah I've got one on my desk at work too Jul 29 19:29:52 The main reason is that having both a Pre2 and Veer, I can charge either. Jul 29 19:29:56 * Hendikins doesn't have a desk at work. Jul 29 19:33:25 Loudergood: I guess in my case it has something to do with novelty value - to date WebOS devices haven't been sold in this country. Jul 29 19:33:30 Hendikins: put one in each train Jul 29 19:33:44 they're not that common around here either Jul 29 19:33:55 but I guess that would do it Jul 29 19:34:02 Loudergood: I dare say they're more common there than in Australia. Jul 29 19:34:10 I don't disagree Jul 29 19:34:37 rwhitby: That is my usual source of power for the touchstone, the 240 volt supply on trains (where available). Jul 29 19:34:39 ok.. i get the error http://pastebin.com/nVwa2nAH on this scene http://pastebin.com/qSpkFrUc Jul 29 19:35:02 I'm using it with the old Palm "international charger" that came with my Treo Pro. Jul 29 19:35:14 Should pick myself up a couple more of those. they're handy. Jul 29 19:36:44 the scene pushes, but my buttons arent there Jul 29 19:37:16 eh, second attempt at an edit icon is possibly usable Jul 29 19:38:01 staples offering 100 off tablets so i said i just might get one but touchpad excluded. Couple of things I don't like about it though that is making me not want to buy it. Anyone got one Jul 29 19:38:35 I'm considering picking up the AT&T TouchPad when it becomes available. Jul 29 19:38:53 to pay a monthly fee? nah Jul 29 19:38:59 Not to use with AT&T. Jul 29 19:39:37 not sure hwo that works Jul 29 19:39:49 Thing is, I don't have any burning desire to kill my phone battery to give it connectivity on the move (where I am most of the time), and without connectivity I might as well use my laptop. Jul 29 19:40:02 I'm sure by the time that comes out HP will have announced a faster one Jul 29 19:40:02 sure it will cost more Jul 29 19:40:07 Telstra prepaid SIM, which I happen to have spare with 8 gig of data and April expiry. :P Jul 29 19:40:47 don't you have to buy it on contract or pay a ton more Jul 29 19:41:23 couple things i don't like about the touchpad though. I can't believe Webos cannot play more video codecs and there isn't a solution Jul 29 19:41:33 Presumably it will be able to be purchased standalone (off contract) and can't be worse than the Australian markup on the wifi models Jul 29 19:41:36 no doc editor still Jul 29 19:41:44 anyone? Jul 29 19:59:50 Anyone? Jul 29 20:00:28 only thing I can see is missing semicolon at villo.init Jul 29 20:00:37 lemme look at that Jul 29 20:02:07 that didnt fix the error.. :/ Jul 29 20:02:35 yeah didn't think so Jul 29 20:03:38 man.. i have everything working but the register button, then it does this.. Jul 29 20:03:55 s/have/had/ Jul 29 20:05:52 hmm Jul 29 20:06:24 yeah.. Jul 29 20:07:44 hey Adora Jul 29 20:09:35 Adora has to quit the yo mama jokes ;) Jul 29 20:09:44 lol Jul 29 20:09:55 matbee: your mom has to... Jul 29 20:10:03 ...waitaminute Jul 29 20:10:08 :-/ Jul 29 20:10:09 that won't work Jul 29 20:10:11 lol Jul 29 20:10:14 I have no comeback! Jul 29 20:10:20 yusss Jul 29 20:10:21 she's gone Jul 29 20:10:25 matbee, look at what u did! Jul 29 20:10:27 lol Jul 29 20:10:45 damnit Jul 29 20:10:50 Adora, dont mind matbee Jul 29 20:10:56 hes just grumpy Jul 29 20:11:06 lol Jul 29 20:11:08 PatrickC, you sound like my girlfriend Jul 29 20:11:09 haha Jul 29 20:11:12 lol Jul 29 20:11:20 umm.. yeah, im not her lol Jul 29 20:12:16 a few more hours and im off to the cottage all weekend Jul 29 20:16:50 hi Jul 29 20:17:18 I'm trying to install Preware on my TouchPad, but novacomd keeps telling me that no device is connected Jul 29 20:17:25 i'm trying this under Gentoo Linux Jul 29 20:17:45 any idea? Jul 29 20:18:01 is the device in developer mode? Jul 29 20:18:14 also try lsusb Jul 29 20:18:47 what instructions are you following? Jul 29 20:19:07 In my experience novacom on Linux won't detect devices that aren't in dev mode. Jul 29 20:19:44 Loudergood: yes, it is Jul 29 20:19:53 You might also want to check the novacom version - I've had issues before where a new device is out, but the required version of novacom is under NDA Jul 29 20:20:01 Like the Pre2. Jul 29 20:20:22 Loudergood: lsusb: Bus 001 Device 019: ID 0830:8072 Palm, Inc. Jul 29 20:20:36 Hendikins: so I need a novacom version I don't have access to? Jul 29 20:20:49 ronino: I don't know, I don't own a touchpad and don't know what version it requires. Jul 29 20:20:51 that was only the case in the past Jul 29 20:20:57 and with the pre2 specifically Jul 29 20:21:05 I see Jul 29 20:21:08 the webos 3.0 sdk is public now Jul 29 20:21:30 Then presumably ronino has the version from that. Jul 29 20:21:41 i was following these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install Jul 29 20:21:52 Hrm, fire alarm test. Jul 29 20:21:56 dev-embedded/palm-novacom-1.0.55 to be precise Jul 29 20:22:08 that's an old version for sure Jul 29 20:22:49 1.0.76 is the latest public Jul 29 20:22:52 I see Jul 29 20:23:02 It's not available via a simple download anywhere? Jul 29 20:27:46 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#linux Jul 29 20:28:36 How can you get into recovery mode without volume buttons? Jul 29 20:28:42 ha Jul 29 20:28:48 Loudergood: yeah, thx, I downloaded novacom 64-bit from there and with the extracted version from the deb file, I could connect! Jul 29 20:29:22 Woohoo, Preware is running ;-) Jul 29 20:30:32 Loudergood, Hendikins: thx for pointing me in the right direction Jul 29 20:32:20 Anyone? Jul 29 20:35:38 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Jul 29 20:35:44 there might be something useful in there Jul 29 20:37:49 Not from what I can see :( Jul 29 20:37:56 Already checked there Jul 29 20:44:44 * Hendikins mutters unpleasant things about NX shitting itself. Jul 29 20:45:51 internet's out again :( Jul 29 20:45:55 have to use freetether Jul 29 20:46:16 can't guarantee it'll be fixed until 7pm tomorrow Jul 29 20:47:01 nice.. :q Jul 29 20:47:04 :/ * Jul 29 20:47:10 lol Jul 29 20:47:54 not nice Jul 29 20:48:46 twbbas: I almost have the register scene working Jul 29 20:48:52 sweet Jul 29 20:49:01 I'm setting up my dev forum on WOR Jul 29 20:49:12 Your dev forum???? Jul 29 20:49:14 link to how Jul 29 20:49:51 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/getting-your-own-webos-developer-forum.43/#post-256 Jul 29 20:50:34 * rwatkins hates web forums. They just .. suck. Jul 29 20:51:32 twbbas: ah.. I already have one of those at PC Jul 29 20:51:35 email. knowledge base. stackoverflow. pick a tool for the problem, not just "a web forum". Jul 29 20:51:36 and my own site Jul 29 20:52:05 rwatkins: forums are free, knowledge bases usually are payfor to get a decent one Jul 29 20:52:27 so take email and put up a faq page. Jul 29 20:52:40 Forums hosted by other people are useless, IMO Jul 29 20:52:49 forums are public.. its better imo Jul 29 20:52:51 dont make me hunt thru 17 pages to find the right thread for half of a possible answer. Jul 29 20:52:53 If you want a support forum, host your own Jul 29 20:53:07 ianbeck: thats what I do Jul 29 20:53:31 PatrickC: My bad, thought you were considering a WebOSRoundup forum Jul 29 20:53:39 no.. Jul 29 20:53:54 I have a forum on PC from a while ago.. but never use it Jul 29 20:54:08 I now host my own forums on my site Jul 29 20:54:12 Yeah, that kind of thing is too hard to follow (plus impossible for most users to discover) Jul 29 20:54:21 yep Jul 29 20:54:46 I just need to find out how to integrate phpBB into my site, and make it look like it belongs Jul 29 20:55:05 not have like 3 different sites Jul 29 20:55:05 That's always the trick; theming forums can be such a pain Jul 29 20:55:16 yeah Jul 29 20:55:58 like, my site is http://awesomeapps.8tar.com my blog is http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/blog my forum is http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/forum Jul 29 20:57:19 (all are under construction) Jul 29 20:59:17 they look like 3 totally different sites :/ Jul 29 20:59:56 The problem of disparate software Jul 29 21:00:09 I've never found a solution that offered forum+block+CMS that I really liked Jul 29 21:00:15 *blog Jul 29 21:00:22 I wish there was one Jul 29 21:01:22 * rwatkins had almost forgotten to send in his $50 rebate for the TouchPad. Jul 29 21:02:40 * PatrickC almost has forgotten he even sent in the dev discount request Jul 29 21:03:15 rwatkins: oh crap, I should do that like, tomorrow Jul 29 21:03:33 ya, must be postmarked tomorrow. Jul 29 21:08:33 how do I force a newline when displaying text? "\n" or "\r\n" doesn't seem to work Jul 29 21:10:45 akanster: Depends on the context; if you're using a rich text widget or similar, though, then you need a
tag Jul 29 21:11:11 sigh... sometimes I forget it's just a browser Jul 29 21:11:32 when setting a dom attribute that is a boolean Jul 29 21:11:36 do i do "true" or true Jul 29 21:12:29 ianbeck: weird, now I am seeing way more html tags Jul 29 21:13:57 rwatkins: it has to be sent by tomorrow? Jul 29 21:14:06 the $50 rebate? Jul 29 21:14:08 Tibfib: actually it does not Jul 29 21:14:11 oh Jul 29 21:14:15 saw a post saying it was, but its 45 days Jul 29 21:14:25 from purchase, or launch? Jul 29 21:14:25 purchased by tomorrow per the rebate coupon Jul 29 21:14:48 purchased by tomorrow, postmarked 45 days from purchase. Jul 29 21:15:01 oh Jul 29 21:15:02 dangit Jul 29 21:15:14 looks like I won't get my $50 rebate Jul 29 21:15:17 does setting up a box.net synergy account require some sort of premium something or other? Jul 29 21:15:17 nicely done palm Jul 29 21:15:31 Tibfib, they havent even been out for 30 days Jul 29 21:15:39 how is it u arent getting your rebate? Jul 29 21:15:49 he's waiting on the dev discount Jul 29 21:15:51 Waiting on my dev discount coupon Jul 29 21:16:04 which means it won't be purchased by tomorrow Jul 29 21:16:15 yeah, that's dumb Jul 29 21:16:34 summatusmentis: No. All you do is login to your box.net account on a TouchPad and bam! 50GB added Jul 29 21:16:45 summatusmentis: I bet it even works if you just borrow a friend's TP too Jul 29 21:16:49 go buy one, get your $50 and then return it. Jul 29 21:17:19 you do need a receipt tho and cut out the UPC, so ya, no returning i guess but can 'borrow' someones. Jul 29 21:17:20 Tibfib: The $50 isn't able to be added to the dev discount too Jul 29 21:17:29 yes it is Jul 29 21:17:36 isn't it? it's just a rebate Jul 29 21:17:50 Tibfib: Where did you hear that from? Chuq said it wasn't stackable. Jul 29 21:18:14 twbbas: well, I've logged in through the software just fine, for whatever reason, setting up a synergy account fails Jul 29 21:18:19 it's just a $50 rebate, so can't I just send it? Jul 29 21:18:24 how do they know I got a discount? Jul 29 21:18:33 You need a receipt Jul 29 21:18:35 buy a second one anyway - you'll want one running the production catalog, and another on a development release w/o catalog access. Jul 29 21:18:49 rwatkins: Yeah, I wish I had two like that Jul 29 21:18:59 yeah, I'd love to have the money to buy two Jul 29 21:19:03 but that's not realistic Jul 29 21:19:04 or u could use impostah to get catalog access on your dev device Jul 29 21:19:14 I gotta doctor to dev release to test my in-app items -.- Jul 29 21:19:22 PuffTheMagic: you can? Jul 29 21:19:29 PuffTheMagic: I haven't thought of that. That's awesome Jul 29 21:20:04 you should pay attention to rods tweets Jul 29 21:20:07 Tibfib: Here's @webOSdev on the discounts https://twitter.com/#!/webOSdev/status/96627517061996544 Jul 29 21:22:11 PuffTheMagic: I normally do, I must've missed that Jul 29 21:22:55 same here Jul 29 21:23:01 twbbas: weird. Jul 29 21:23:03 maybe it wasnt swetted Jul 29 21:23:10 tweeted Jul 29 21:23:10 PatrickC should hold an auction to decide what his twitter avatar is, that'll fun his touchpad Jul 29 21:23:23 fund* Jul 29 21:23:43 well i am pretty sure saying it can be done doesnt violate and NDA stuff Jul 29 21:24:29 the 3.0 SDK doctor isn't under NDA Jul 29 21:24:33 is it? Jul 29 21:24:54 I guess if I have to ask then I shouldn't be asking Jul 29 21:25:10 no the 3.0 doctor isnt Jul 29 21:25:20 but then that isnt what has a catalog issue is it ;) Jul 29 21:25:31 Yes it does Jul 29 21:25:57 or u talking about 3.0.2? Jul 29 21:26:25 when is this damn OTA gonna drop? Jul 29 21:26:48 I'm hopoing soon Jul 29 21:26:50 I don't think I should be talking about it in here. I'm not sure if it's under NDA or not. But, no. I was talking about 3.0.0 Jul 29 21:27:09 or whatever the TP launched with Jul 29 21:27:16 the 3.0.0 doctors that is linked on the WI wiki should not have any catalog issues Jul 29 21:27:21 yeh, 3.0.0 Jul 29 21:27:30 PuffTheMagic: Yeah, the official ones shouldn't. Jul 29 21:27:50 I'm waiting on 3.0.2 bcause I want vkb support in xterm Jul 29 21:28:21 because then I can work from my TP :) Jul 29 21:29:09 wait till I release my new new app ;) Jul 29 21:29:35 PuffTheMagic: Enyo dev environment? :D Jul 29 21:29:41 so how woudl impostah get the prod rather than dev catalog? Jul 29 21:29:49 its just getting the "us" catalog. Jul 29 21:29:57 twbbas, general code editor, not enyo specific Jul 29 21:30:06 but it might have palm-package/install hooks ;) Jul 29 21:30:14 if i can figure out a way to do that Jul 29 21:30:17 PuffTheMagic: That's all I need! Jul 29 21:31:20 rwatkins: I was just wondering the same thing Jul 29 21:32:06 there are a bunch of steps you need to go though Jul 29 21:32:43 i prob shouldnt say to much more till the man in charge steps in Jul 29 21:32:45 aww there's not just a magic button? ;) Jul 29 21:32:52 nope Jul 29 21:32:56 not that easy Jul 29 21:37:33 Wow! Jul 29 21:37:47 HP cut $50 off from both 16GB and 32FB Jul 29 21:37:49 GB* Jul 29 21:37:54 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/rebate.html?jumpid=ex_r11694_go_offer&aoid=45400 Jul 29 21:38:03 Get a 32GB for $500 with legacy rebate ! Jul 29 21:38:15 oh wait... it expires Jul 29 21:38:24 maybe expires. Jul 29 21:38:39 Well, at least the 16GB is now only $450 Jul 29 21:38:44 That's nice Jul 29 21:39:04 sure, _after_ I bought one Jul 29 21:39:17 the early adopter tax Jul 29 21:39:25 yeah, I know, I know Jul 29 21:39:31 much like my original sprint pre Jul 29 21:40:28 I didn't get my sprint pre early Jul 29 21:40:36 it was way late, and cobbled together from two Jul 29 21:41:03 i switched from 10 yrs of tmobile to sprint, just for the pre Jul 29 21:41:17 dang Jul 29 21:41:25 mad street cred Jul 29 21:43:41 We've been on Sprint ever since we first got cell phones Jul 29 21:43:55 We used to live in Overland Park right next to Sprint's headquarters Jul 29 21:44:43 so coverage was good then Jul 29 21:44:54 I tell you what, seeing the whole "will they, won't they" with Sprint and WebOS... I'm so glad I use GSM. Jul 29 21:45:00 around here it's att or verizon or no coverage Jul 29 21:47:06 indeed. GSM. unlocked phones FTW. Jul 29 21:47:06 our family plan would go up ~1200 a year if we moved from sprint to any other carrier Jul 29 21:47:06 sprint for me .. long gone. ported my number to google voice so I can tell any carrier to shove it and move on. Jul 29 21:47:06 i dont think that is worth a pre3 Jul 29 21:47:06 PuffTheMagic: We got one of those unlimited everything family plans. $35/mo for my line ftw! Jul 29 21:47:12 same here Jul 29 21:47:46 don think i will think about leaving sprint till they also get rid of their unlimited Jul 29 21:48:13 rwatkins: I'm a Telstra user... and even though Telstra hasn't supplied a Palm handset since the Treo Pro, their network is great for them (850/2100) Jul 29 21:48:39 international travel means i really want a GSM device. Jul 29 21:49:18 Aren't they doing some CDMA devices with a SIM slot for when you're overseas? Jul 29 21:49:30 pre3 might be a worldphone Jul 29 21:52:26 Woo! internet's back! Jul 29 21:52:31 brb switching off of freetether Jul 29 21:52:58 rwatkins: The whole concept of being restricted to a carrier is just... foreign to me. Jul 29 21:53:37 If I want to change carrier, I'll grab a different SIM. If my carrier doesn't stock the handset I want, I'll import it. Jul 29 21:53:56 Or have it supplied by a different carrier and unlocked. Jul 29 22:02:57 Hendikins: Kangaroos are just... foreign to me. :) Jul 29 22:03:27 anyone know where I put sublimetext2 on my laptop? Jul 29 22:04:09 haeffb: To me they're... lunch. Jul 29 22:06:00 Hendikins, congrats Jul 29 22:09:02 ah, there it is... /home/haeffb/Sublime Text 2 Jul 29 22:09:12 right where I left it Jul 29 22:09:31 bleh Jul 29 22:09:40 I can't get advanced menu system prefs to work Jul 29 22:09:44 device menu won't show up Jul 29 22:09:46 :( Jul 29 22:11:01 Loudergood: lol Jul 29 22:11:41 hey webOSNewbie Jul 29 22:11:44 hi Jul 29 22:11:57 little brother tossing pencils at me Jul 29 22:12:04 lol Jul 29 22:12:09 Set up dad's Pre Jul 29 22:12:12 unlocked it Jul 29 22:12:18 well, bypass SIM Jul 29 22:12:19 cool Jul 29 22:12:28 you guys helped a ton Jul 29 22:13:29 np.. glad to help Jul 29 22:13:37 now.. if I could just fix villo! Jul 29 22:13:41 ugh. Jul 29 22:13:51 what? Jul 29 22:13:56 villo Jul 29 22:14:02 hi Jul 29 22:14:11 PuffTheMagic: yeah.. it hates me Jul 29 22:14:21 everything hates me Jul 29 22:14:31 not that I care Jul 29 22:15:53 hi hijlnx Jul 29 22:16:03 why does everything hate you? haha Jul 29 22:16:16 Murphy's Son? Jul 29 22:16:21 i don't know Jul 29 22:16:33 Murphy's Son? Jul 29 22:16:36 DUNDUNDUN!!!!! Jul 29 22:16:40 * webOSNewbie wonders what would happen when he gets good at webOS Jul 29 22:16:45 name change? Jul 29 22:16:57 perhaps formerNewbie Jul 29 22:17:03 lol Jul 29 22:17:16 haha Jul 29 22:17:23 nonNewbie Jul 29 22:17:25 well PatrickC, you're no longer the youngest one here, so I don't think the egg is appropriate anymore Jul 29 22:17:35 egg? Jul 29 22:17:44 egg? Jul 29 22:17:48 egg? Jul 29 22:17:51 lol Jul 29 22:17:52 egg? Jul 29 22:18:10 egg. Jul 29 22:18:21 what is the egg? Jul 29 22:18:45 idk.. Loudergood is crazy.. lol Jul 29 22:18:57 umm, parents peeking Jul 29 22:19:06 twitter icon Jul 29 22:19:13 THIS CODE. YOU MAKE NO SENSE. Jul 29 22:19:22 ah. Jul 29 22:19:25 Loudergood: ah Jul 29 22:20:03 Loudergood: idk what to use tho Jul 29 22:20:20 Y U SO SLOW WEBSOCKET Jul 29 22:20:53 Y U NO WORK VILLO Jul 29 22:21:33 Y U SO COOL BUT NO WORK VILLO Jul 29 22:21:46 I'll change my icon when I can use Spaz to do it.. Jul 29 22:21:55 Spaz? Jul 29 22:21:59 webOSNewbie: do you even know what villo is/does? Jul 29 22:22:03 twitter client Jul 29 22:22:09 I looked at Villo Jul 29 22:22:51 villo != anything Jul 29 22:22:58 I think that's how it goe Jul 29 22:23:00 goes* Jul 29 22:23:04 lol Jul 29 22:23:48 if I want something to be called before the app is initialized, where do I call it? Jul 29 22:24:03 in what? Jul 29 22:24:08 Mojo or enyo? Jul 29 22:24:18 mojo Jul 29 22:24:29 enyo comes later Jul 29 22:24:55 I'm thinking stage-assistant or have it the *first* item in the main scenes setup Jul 29 22:25:06 it's stage-assistant Jul 29 22:25:18 figured Jul 29 22:25:40 I'm surprised I know so much about Mojo already Jul 29 22:25:52 Not that it's impressive Jul 29 22:26:00 anyone using villo in there app? Jul 29 22:26:02 you would know more enyo now.. Jul 29 22:26:09 LoneStar99: me!! me!! me!! Jul 29 22:26:17 and fxspec06 Jul 29 22:26:19 is it pretty cool? Jul 29 22:26:26 YES! Jul 29 22:26:29 :) Jul 29 22:26:46 might integrate it into my chat apps, and drop my propietary code Jul 29 22:26:47 I'm not saying that because I'm gonna be working at webOS World soon or anything.. Jul 29 22:26:56 lol Jul 29 22:26:56 it would be much easier Jul 29 22:27:26 webOS World is there a link? Jul 29 22:28:37 http://webosworld.com Jul 29 22:28:46 and http://villo.me Jul 29 22:28:57 or villo.net Jul 29 22:29:13 eh, villo.me is the official link Jul 29 22:29:22 oh. Jul 29 22:29:24 ok Jul 29 22:29:29 yep Jul 29 22:29:30 I thought it was villo.net Jul 29 22:29:36 I read somewhere Jul 29 22:29:42 LoneStar99: @VilloServices on twitter Jul 29 22:29:43 * halfhalo-work debates poking villo and making it fall Jul 29 22:29:56 webOSNewbie: its both.. but villo.me is the official Jul 29 22:30:21 PatrickC: ok thanks will begin looking into it next week Jul 29 22:30:34 need to finish up another app first Jul 29 22:30:41 ok kool Jul 29 22:31:35 Jordan8: are you the jordan from WOW? Jul 29 22:32:07 OH THE HUMANITY Jul 29 22:32:23 well fine then Jul 29 22:32:42 no PatrickC Jul 29 22:32:52 Jordan8_: ok Jul 29 22:32:58 Jordan8: ok Jul 29 22:33:23 I've only played wow once, & was for like 15mins lol Jul 29 22:33:34 webOS World* Jul 29 22:33:43 not World of Warcraft.. lol Jul 29 22:34:06 oh lol, never been on there either ;P Jul 29 22:43:25 Never tried WoW Jul 29 22:46:42 I think I may just use gedit Jul 29 22:46:46 games are EviL Jul 29 22:46:55 sublime text 2, geany, meh. Jul 29 22:46:58 i only play board games Jul 29 22:47:52 I love gedit!!! Jul 29 22:47:55 use on Ubuntu Jul 29 22:48:12 I love Hedgewars for Ubuntu Jul 29 22:48:18 worms clone Jul 29 22:48:28 everything is EviL Jul 29 22:48:37 * halfhalo-work hearts his textmate Jul 29 22:48:51 textmate? Jul 29 22:49:08 textmate on OSx Jul 29 22:49:09 komodo edit Jul 29 22:49:09 * PatrickC likes Sublime Text2 Jul 29 22:49:15 Never tried Jul 29 22:49:28 free =) Jul 29 22:49:33 and stable Jul 29 22:49:34 webOSNewbie: here's a tip - keep a google window open when interacting on IRC Jul 29 22:49:43 what's google? Jul 29 22:49:46 * webOSNewbie has open firefox Jul 29 22:49:51 "the google" Jul 29 22:49:54 google? Jul 29 22:49:58 googol Jul 29 22:50:07 have you all seen the "gmail man" video? Jul 29 22:50:09 isn't that no-name thing that started in a garage? Jul 29 22:50:15 LoneStar99: Yeah. Hilarious, lol! Jul 29 22:50:36 http://urloid.com/gmail2 Jul 29 22:50:42 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Jul 29 22:50:45 googol Jul 29 22:50:57 yeah Jul 29 22:50:58 * rwhitby sighs Jul 29 22:51:13 "The Google Gmail Man" Jul 29 22:51:15 I memorized over 100 digits of pi Jul 29 22:51:34 impressive Jul 29 22:52:25 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844 Jul 29 22:52:30 all from memory Jul 29 22:53:34 that's wrong Jul 29 22:53:41 oops Jul 29 22:53:43 the 6 in there should be a 7 Jul 29 22:53:51 which 6? Jul 29 22:53:57 haha Jul 29 22:54:16 the 8th 6 Jul 29 22:54:25 hmm why was I pinged Jul 29 22:54:33 pinged? Jul 29 22:54:47 twbbas: you spotted it too, hey? Jul 29 22:55:05 rwhitby: I think it is actually the 5th 6 Jul 29 22:55:17 rwhitby: Sure did. I once was in a pi memory bee. Got first place Jul 29 22:55:40 sweet. Jul 29 22:55:52 you boys are so intelligent. Jul 29 22:55:54 8th six really is 6 Jul 29 22:55:59 My friend got 3.14th place though Jul 29 22:56:15 Tibfib_: no, definitely the 8th. just ask twbbas, the pibee. Jul 29 22:56:30 I check against google Jul 29 22:56:31 oh, you guys are serious? Jul 29 22:56:46 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 29 22:56:47 webOSNewbie: oh, now you know how to use Google? Jul 29 22:56:53 booooom roasted Jul 29 22:56:54 I got "e=mc2" out of the contest for cheating Jul 29 22:57:36 LoneStar99: no, e=mc² Jul 29 22:57:40 real pi Jul 29 22:57:41 3. Jul 29 22:57:41 14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510 Jul 29 22:57:42 58209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679 Jul 29 22:57:42 821480865132823066470938446 Jul 29 22:57:46 oh my Jul 29 22:57:59 Yup, definitely a 7 Jul 29 22:58:00 still getting that 8th 6 wrong. Jul 29 22:58:04 webOSNewbie: noPaste :P Jul 29 22:58:33 rwhitby: ohhhhhhhhhh, I see it now Jul 29 22:58:39 me too Jul 29 22:58:42 wish i knew how to count. Jul 29 22:58:55 too... many... numbers... Jul 29 22:59:08 * Tibfib_ writes javascript function to find the 8th 6 Jul 29 22:59:57 http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/1000000 Jul 29 23:00:27 http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/pitrainer/ Jul 29 23:00:27 webOSNewbie: yeah, your 8th 6 is wrong Jul 29 23:00:31 yep, should be a 7 Jul 29 23:00:37 I'll try the pi trainer Jul 29 23:00:58 webOSNewbie: you must have some sort of corruption in your network connection that's changing that figure. Jul 29 23:01:09 probably a CRC hash collision Jul 29 23:01:51 getting it right! Jul 29 23:02:22 define "right" Jul 29 23:02:32 not left Jul 29 23:02:43 but it is 3 lefts Jul 29 23:02:55 getting pi correct Jul 29 23:03:04 "two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do" Jul 29 23:03:10 awesome!!!! Jul 29 23:03:23 all i know is southern pecan pi is the best Jul 29 23:03:33 the touchpad is on the bestbuy Geek Sqad commercial!! Jul 29 23:03:33 ooh, I love peach pie Jul 29 23:03:40 LoneStar99: yes Jul 29 23:03:44 * rwhitby prefers tau to pi anyway Jul 29 23:03:49 really? Jul 29 23:03:56 eeeeeeeeeeee Jul 29 23:03:58 touchpad on geek squad? Jul 29 23:04:02 2.719 ... I think Jul 29 23:04:03 yep Jul 29 23:04:22 no, he said e^12 Jul 29 23:04:23 pi really is overrated Jul 29 23:04:28 pi is only half as useful as tau Jul 29 23:04:34 alpha Jul 29 23:04:36 beta Jul 29 23:04:37 gamma Jul 29 23:04:38 delta Jul 29 23:04:40 who cares about circles Jul 29 23:04:41 epsilon Jul 29 23:04:42 * PatrickC is lost Jul 29 23:04:43 please stop now Jul 29 23:04:44 zeta Jul 29 23:04:45 eta Jul 29 23:04:47 thete Jul 29 23:04:49 * halfhalo-work is using the fo gees Jul 29 23:04:53 theta I mean Jul 29 23:04:57 either use one line or stop Jul 29 23:04:58 iota Jul 29 23:04:59 ... Jul 29 23:05:08 what twbbas said Jul 29 23:05:22 I third that Jul 29 23:05:29 PatrickC: But do you pi that? Jul 29 23:05:46 lolololol Jul 29 23:05:48 I tau that Jul 29 23:06:03 alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon, zeta, eta, theta, iota, kappa, lambda, mu, nu, xi, omicron, pi, rho, sigma, tau, upsilon, phi, chi, psi, omega Jul 29 23:06:07 ok I will start also: nApp11 released! Jul 29 23:06:19 hahaha Jul 29 23:07:57 I can't tell if its a good or bad thing that tethering to my phone is faster than the wifi here. Jul 29 23:08:06 wow.. Jul 29 23:08:27 Sometimes my phone 3G internet is faster than my dorm's internet Jul 29 23:08:38 mainly between 7 and 10PM Jul 29 23:08:44 but probably more expensive Jul 29 23:09:02 <-- unlimited data plan Jul 29 23:09:11 oh. Jul 29 23:09:13 cool! Jul 29 23:09:38 * webOSNewbie has slow wifi Jul 29 23:09:41 twbbas: all the kids are home watching their hulus Jul 29 23:10:01 * webOSNewbie 's internet is so slow Quest doesn't offer it anymore Jul 29 23:10:11 we just renew it Jul 29 23:10:29 I mean... it sucks the wifi is slow, this is a freaking tech company. But on the other hand, its sweet the phone is that fast. Jul 29 23:11:05 yah! Jul 29 23:11:14 * twbbas wants Google's internet Jul 29 23:11:20 badly Jul 29 23:13:58 Tibfib: can spaz upload/set your avatar? icon? whatever its called? Jul 29 23:14:12 I don't thinks o Jul 29 23:14:23 ok.. Jul 29 23:15:17 awwwwwwwwweeeesome Jul 29 23:15:30 in NomNomNom, you will be able to drag and drop feeds between tags Jul 29 23:15:37 awesomesauce Jul 29 23:21:20 funkatron: any plans to make spaz set your icon/avatar? Jul 29 23:22:07 PatrickC: Spaz is open source. Fork it and send in a patch. Jul 29 23:22:21 I don't know how to do it yet Jul 29 23:22:47 and I'm busy working on my own app.. I'll work on it once I get my app working Jul 29 23:23:25 PatrickC: neither funkatron or myself will be working on spaz mojo anymore Jul 29 23:23:32 ah Jul 29 23:23:34 ok Jul 29 23:23:38 I could try Jul 29 23:23:41 unless twitter decides to change the api again Jul 29 23:23:45 well even then Jul 29 23:25:11 webOSNewbie: its open source, so you can find it on github Jul 29 23:25:13 yeah, not interested in putting time into new Twitter-specific features Jul 29 23:25:31 okay Jul 29 23:25:37 and hard to justify putting time into the mojo version Jul 29 23:26:00 if someone wants to implement it, it probably wouldn't be too hard. Jul 29 23:26:06 okay Jul 29 23:30:43 has anyone used a decent code editor-type thing on the touchpad? Jul 29 23:31:21 Why are you guys dropping the mojo version? Jul 29 23:32:13 rrix: "dropping" is not accurrate. Jul 29 23:32:29 that might imply it's being made unavailable Jul 29 23:32:29 "not working on" Jul 29 23:32:54 "currently not supporting" Jul 29 23:32:59 because we volunteer our time and energy to do it, and Mojo is a dead end Jul 29 23:33:07 it is? Jul 29 23:33:24 Mojo is on almost all devices Jul 29 23:33:28 pre3 will probably be the last new device to support it Jul 29 23:33:34 really? Jul 29 23:33:37 yes. Mojo will not run on anything other than webOS, and it has been deprecated by HP Jul 29 23:33:44 it has? Jul 29 23:33:45 effectively Jul 29 23:33:47 yes Jul 29 23:33:54 * webOSNewbie sighs Jul 29 23:34:01 * rrix did not know that Jul 29 23:34:08 And i find it … troubling :) Jul 29 23:34:08 * webOSNewbie punches self Jul 29 23:34:19 * webOSNewbie slaps self Jul 29 23:34:25 * webOSNewbie has quit Jul 29 23:34:25 The last thing HPalm should be doing is depreciating things Jul 29 23:34:34 sugardave: you around Jul 29 23:34:37 ? Jul 29 23:34:51 welcome to a year ago 8) Jul 29 23:35:13 * rrix hasn't been a part of the community besides observing until only a few months ago Jul 29 23:35:24 * rrix sighs Jul 29 23:35:33 Silly silly. Jul 29 23:35:42 yeah, HP has been very upfront about where htings are going. Enyo is a much better approach Jul 29 23:35:59 * webOSNewbie has joined #webos Jul 29 23:36:05 * webOSNewbie prefers Mojo Jul 29 23:36:18 * webOSNewbie thinks it should be phased out better Jul 29 23:36:23 * webOSNewbie has quit Jul 29 23:36:31 welp! Jul 29 23:37:11 I guess i shouldn't be surprised, coming from the PalmOS world :) Jul 29 23:37:33 * webOSNewbie discovered webOS through finding the Palm OS SDK Jul 29 23:37:41 this is what happens with closed source tech. a company can shut it down and nothing you can do about it, I'm afraid. Jul 29 23:38:25 but, don't mistake familiarity with superiority. learning a new system is painful, but it doesn't mean it's not valuable Jul 29 23:38:37 they use the touchpad on another best buy comercial Jul 29 23:38:54 It's the letting go of a system that's really painjful for me Jul 29 23:38:59 yep Jul 29 23:39:00 I already miss Mojo Jul 29 23:39:09 it's all i know Jul 29 23:39:19 and i don't know much Jul 29 23:39:30 I miss PalmOS C, but I still learn new stuff Jul 29 23:39:34 It's how the world works Jul 29 23:39:49 I need to find Garnet Jul 29 23:39:54 it's around, I know Jul 29 23:39:58 somewhere Jul 29 23:40:01 lol Jul 29 23:40:05 and I will do Palm OS there Jul 29 23:40:08 Garnet was a disaster Jul 29 23:40:15 it's around Jul 29 23:40:33 If you want to talk about hacked together shit, just mention PalmOS 5 :) Jul 29 23:40:43 parents peeking Jul 29 23:40:52 lol Jul 29 23:40:54 Sorry Jul 29 23:41:39 Palm OS is around Jul 29 23:41:40 http://www.access-company.com/products/platforms/garnet/index.html Jul 29 23:42:14 High-density: 320x320 Jul 29 23:42:15 welo Jul 29 23:42:17 err p Jul 29 23:42:30 HiRes+: 320x480 Jul 29 23:53:09 I still play Club Penguin Jul 29 23:53:13 when bored Jul 29 23:55:24 lol Jul 29 23:59:40 does anyone know if enyo.fetchDeviceInfo().screenWidth changes with orientation Jul 29 23:59:55 i bet it does Jul 30 00:00:48 PuffTheMagic: That's a good question Jul 30 00:06:14 are there any scroll bars in enyo? Jul 30 00:06:20 I believe so Jul 30 00:07:18 I['m out! Jul 30 00:18:02 sigh Jul 30 00:22:32 http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/public/5269/en/images/1/L/bd2w_normal_redsurrounded.png Jul 30 00:22:36 interesting... what sort of game is this! Jul 30 01:53:34 what's the .project file in our project workspace for? Is that something unique to Eclipse? Jul 30 02:33:09 would be great if someone would extend ctags for enyo kinds... http://ctags.sourceforge.net/EXTENDING.html Jul 30 02:38:01 haeffb, i need a scrollbar in my app Jul 30 02:38:06 any idea how i could add one Jul 30 02:38:08 some nice stuff here... https://github.com/gmate/gmate Jul 30 02:38:13 enyo? Jul 30 02:38:21 haeffb: let us know when you're done with the ctags Jul 30 02:38:28 haeffb, ya Jul 30 02:38:30 * haeffb doesn't do C Jul 30 02:38:43 C? Jul 30 02:38:47 PuffTheMagic: I think I remember seeing something on the dev forums Jul 30 02:38:57 k i check Jul 30 02:39:36 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15214&hilit=scrollbar Jul 30 02:40:00 I think gedit is going to do the job for me... Jul 30 02:40:07 k i check Jul 30 02:40:10 grr Jul 30 02:40:37 oh, you have to implement the parser? ugh Jul 30 02:40:48 otherwise it doesn't look that hard to extend ctags Jul 30 02:42:05 probably not too difficult if you can get bison/yacc to spit you most of it Jul 30 02:42:45 * dwc- is not a big compilers person Jul 30 02:43:31 me neither Jul 30 02:43:34 not at all Jul 30 02:44:09 http://ompldr.org/vOW9wMw/editah_2011-29-07_224106.png Jul 30 02:44:11 thanks haeffb Jul 30 02:44:12 ^^ in fullscreen mode :D Jul 30 02:44:33 oh, hell ya! Jul 30 02:44:54 added an external tool in gedit to palm-run and output the log in the bottom pane Jul 30 02:45:02 PuffTheMagic: how's it work? Jul 30 02:45:22 are you implementing from scratch in enyo? Jul 30 02:45:43 input is a little glitchy but, syntax highlighting for evyerhting u could want works Jul 30 02:45:50 indenting Jul 30 02:46:01 themes Jul 30 02:46:21 PuffTheMagic: that looks like the theme I'm using in gedit Jul 30 02:46:30 had me confused for a second... :) Jul 30 02:49:27 wassup? Jul 30 02:51:27 who all has a touchpad dev coupon? Jul 30 02:51:35 or at least knows what belt they are? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 30 02:59:56 2011