**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 30 02:59:56 2011 Jul 30 03:22:23 this works for JSLint in gedit: http://open-juve.blogspot.com/2011/04/make-jslint-working-nicely-with-gedit.html Jul 30 03:23:23 time to get registration working Jul 30 03:24:20 * PatrickC hits laptop Jul 30 03:24:24 stop being so slow! Jul 30 03:26:06 "App States Jul 30 03:26:07 within an app. Think of it like an automatic electronic bookmark." Jul 30 03:31:12 hm... Jul 30 03:31:14 cool Jul 30 03:32:24 yep Jul 30 03:32:30 all thanks to Villo Jul 30 03:43:33 haeffb: ping Jul 30 03:44:22 pong Jul 30 03:44:53 atari pong Jul 30 03:45:11 yay Jul 30 03:45:42 haeffb: you use sublime text 2? Jul 30 03:45:56 does it cost money? Jul 30 03:46:04 noppers Jul 30 03:46:08 no, tried it, didn't like it Jul 30 03:46:21 ah Jul 30 03:46:22 what's so cool about it? Jul 30 03:46:26 Tibfib_: you do, don't you? Jul 30 03:46:28 currently playing with gedit Jul 30 03:46:36 sugardave does Jul 30 03:46:37 it is a very nice looking, and feeling text editor Jul 30 03:46:41 I like gedit Jul 30 03:46:43 miles above the stock Jul 30 03:46:47 sugardave: ping Jul 30 03:47:03 syntax highlighting for JS, HTML, CSS, and a billion more Jul 30 03:47:13 and themes and plugins Jul 30 03:47:17 same with sublime Jul 30 03:47:20 all of those Jul 30 03:47:53 what's the real difference? Jul 30 03:48:14 never used gedit Jul 30 03:48:18 so I couldn't say Jul 30 03:48:26 I used to use NP++ Jul 30 03:48:34 easy to try in ubuntu Jul 30 03:48:48 is sublime available? Jul 30 03:48:51 on ubuntu Jul 30 03:48:56 my host is windows Jul 30 03:48:57 yes Jul 30 03:49:01 yay. Jul 30 03:49:15 http://www.sublimetext.com/2 Jul 30 03:49:27 * webOSNewbie is away: I'm carrying jelly bean bags to the store Jul 30 03:50:05 UGH Jul 30 03:50:10 ? Jul 30 03:50:19 stupid app.. lol Jul 30 03:50:24 keeps giving me errors Jul 30 03:52:07 [2011-07-30 03:50:41] (Your Radio) Error: Error: requireFunction Failed: Mojo.Event.listen: 'handlerFunction' parameter must be a function., line undefined, file undefined Jul 30 03:52:19 that's nice.. don't tell me where the error is.. Jul 30 03:58:45 ok.. fixed my villo.init problem Jul 30 04:06:04 lets see if this works now Jul 30 04:09:11 alright Jul 30 04:09:39 almost.. there.. just.. a.. few.. more.. lines.. Jul 30 04:09:43 and error Jul 30 04:10:51 error: http://pastebin.com/W73F8rr4 scene: http://pastebin.com/bmaEwEDQ Jul 30 04:15:01 found what i think the error is Jul 30 04:15:03 lets see Jul 30 04:19:39 can an if/elseif/else statement has 2 elseif 's? Jul 30 04:23:46 ugh.. I'm tired.. but don't want to go to bed till this is FIXED! Jul 30 04:23:56 I know that feeling Jul 30 04:24:04 go Patrick! Jul 30 04:27:05 lol Jul 30 04:27:11 PatrickC: yes Jul 30 04:27:19 dwc-: huh? Jul 30 04:27:26 21:19 < PatrickC> can an if/elseif/else statement has 2 elseif 's? Jul 30 04:27:33 oh.. yeah Jul 30 04:27:57 javascript's else if is nothing special Jul 30 04:28:17 well.. now my Mojo.Log.info broke the app.. Jul 30 04:28:30 if { } else { } Jul 30 04:28:40 the second { } is just another if Jul 30 04:30:40 cool Jul 30 04:35:38 ok, I'm off to bed Jul 30 04:35:45 registration is 100% working Jul 30 04:39:13 * DougReeder waves hello Jul 30 04:39:20 hello Jul 30 04:39:28 hey DougReeder Jul 30 04:40:02 what mind-bending topic is being discussed tonight? Jul 30 04:40:52 umm... Jul 30 04:41:42 villo registration Jul 30 04:41:47 but that's fixed now :) Jul 30 04:42:26 * DougReeder smiles "It didn't seem THAT hard. Jul 30 04:42:27 I need to work on my css.. but.. Jul 30 04:42:42 DougReeder: it was all because of an underscore :S Jul 30 04:43:16 I hate errors like that. Jul 30 04:43:30 yeah Jul 30 04:43:36 the code was 100% working Jul 30 04:43:59 but the username I was trying to register had an underscore in it ( Patrick_Test ) Jul 30 04:44:12 it accepted it when I did PatrickTest .... Jul 30 04:44:29 So hard to spot. Jul 30 04:45:26 yeah.. especially when it returns "1" Jul 30 04:45:35 meaning "General error" Jul 30 04:46:15 Can you write unit tests for that kind of thing? Jul 30 04:46:33 not sure Jul 30 04:46:51 I'm using Villo's framework, not modifying it in any way.. just trying to make it work Jul 30 04:47:13 I'll be a contributor to Villo/webOS World soon.. I'll try and get little things like that included ;) Jul 30 04:47:54 Yeah, examples often are the difference between usable and unusable docs. Jul 30 04:48:07 yeah Jul 30 04:48:33 Look ar the Activity Manager docs: nearly worthless. Jul 30 04:48:59 and errors.. like the errors are, 0 = registered, 1 = general error, 99 and 33 Jul 30 04:49:20 hut, hut, hike! Jul 30 04:49:26 I really just need to fix my CSS for my textboxes Jul 30 04:49:27 haha Jul 30 04:51:22 * PatrickC <3 enyo on his pre2 Jul 30 04:53:27 I should think a lot of things needed work to work on the small screen. Jul 30 04:54:11 most apps run fine for me Jul 30 04:54:31 I'm currently using the WordPress app as my main way to post to my blog(s) Jul 30 04:54:56 I have a fix for the scroller that isn't public (yet) Jul 30 04:55:06 * PatrickC fixed it.. not NDA Jul 30 04:55:32 scroller doesn't work right on its own? Jul 30 04:55:49 on the pre2? no Jul 30 04:56:01 nor does swipe to delete, etc. Jul 30 04:56:30 and the filepicker doesn't work at all Jul 30 04:56:49 its not ready for the primetime yet.. but it will be soon :) Jul 30 04:56:55 well, I'm off to bed, night all Jul 30 04:57:23 * DougReeder hands PatrickC his blankie and pillow Jul 30 06:39:05 can anyone like to help me on this https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16887 Jul 30 09:10:09 whoo! my exhibition app is coming along nicely Jul 30 09:12:08 how to get passed valu in create function ? Jul 30 09:15:57 hay all Jul 30 11:32:23 grr webos applicaton update process is SO RETARDED! Jul 30 11:33:25 I have a 1 line fix in my program but have to go through 10 minutes of super slow webapp bullshit Jul 30 11:47:12 okay other apps are not getting updates.. Jul 30 12:28:50 morning Jul 30 12:34:11 hi Jul 30 12:34:20 app submission is pissing me off Jul 30 12:34:49 why can't they make it useful? and not REALLY slow Jul 30 12:35:49 lol Jul 30 12:35:51 what app? Jul 30 12:36:54 I just made a fix for one app (free and non free) took 12 minutes to submit each.. Jul 30 12:37:06 the fix was one line.. Jul 30 12:37:27 so it took me ~10 seconds to fix the code and 24 to submit it Jul 30 12:38:41 just pisses me off that they have a medium good emulator and a super sucky my apps section Jul 30 12:39:33 PatrickC: what are you uptoß Jul 30 12:39:39 have you gotten any new apps out? Jul 30 12:39:58 working on a new app Jul 30 12:40:07 should be out in a few months Jul 30 12:40:46 months?! Jul 30 12:40:47 wtf Jul 30 12:40:52 what is it? Jul 30 12:41:00 are you rebuilding webOS? Jul 30 12:42:15 lol Jul 30 12:42:27 I'm going at about 1 feature every 2 nights Jul 30 12:42:37 I have about 30 features (or more) Jul 30 12:42:49 I can shoot you a .tar of the app Jul 30 12:57:12 my app has everything required for Villo! now time to add extras :) Jul 30 12:57:31 Don't forget easter eggs Jul 30 12:57:42 ah true Jul 30 12:57:49 those will come in later Jul 30 12:59:28 brb gotta luna boot Jul 30 13:01:31 Hum Jul 30 13:01:42 Every time I reboot my Pre 2, the Voice Dial app jumps on the first page of the launcher... Jul 30 13:01:46 Is there some solution to this? :P Jul 30 13:02:32 zomg: wait for update Jul 30 13:02:41 it's been there since the first 2.0 Jul 30 13:02:46 beta builds Jul 30 13:02:56 pretty retarded wrote them a bunch of times Jul 30 13:03:10 thomaschaaf: ping Jul 30 13:03:13 and? Jul 30 13:03:17 thomaschaaf: yeah it's a bit weird :D Jul 30 13:03:22 it kinda worked Jul 30 13:03:30 the top one should be pretty :) Jul 30 13:03:40 its better (kinda) Jul 30 13:03:45 screen Jul 30 13:03:49 ok Jul 30 13:03:51 1 second Jul 30 13:05:32 http://goaruna.com/s/YYxJJ7Dz Jul 30 13:05:44 'tis bigger then it should be Jul 30 13:06:45 if you notice... MY TOP BAR IS GONE!! Jul 30 13:15:35 brb again Jul 30 13:24:04 thomaschaaf: nope Jul 30 13:46:05 hmm Jul 30 13:46:16 just look at stylematters Jul 30 13:50:24 I'll look Jul 30 13:52:16 thomaschaaf: in the big scheme of things, you use the emulator a lot more than the app portal...so they should focus resources on the emulator and webos Jul 30 14:03:10 do only mojo elements scale on TP Jul 30 14:03:20 coz my divs aren't Jul 30 14:03:44 * PatrickC cries Jul 30 14:04:10 stupid pre2... :S Jul 30 14:06:36 fxspec06: what looks wrong here? http://goaruna.com/s/W2NH6KbD Jul 30 14:07:07 haeffb: I am serious I am not submitting updates Jul 30 14:07:10 because it takes to long Jul 30 14:07:20 most days I just want to add a line Jul 30 14:07:32 and then not have to fill out screenshots in every format Jul 30 14:07:58 and then every other year they add a new country where my apps are being distributed.. Jul 30 14:08:00 Updates require screenshots? Jul 30 14:08:07 it did for me Jul 30 14:08:14 Yikes Jul 30 14:08:27 and 3 images Jul 30 14:08:34 I only have one Jul 30 14:08:42 so I uploaded the same 3 times Jul 30 14:08:53 in english, german, french and spansh.. Jul 30 14:09:04 aaaand Jul 30 14:09:11 now my email is broke!! Jul 30 14:09:19 what does that mean? Jul 30 14:09:22 thomaschaaf: I hear you. Jul 30 14:09:42 I think they've been making big changes to the portal and keep breaking things. Jul 30 14:09:50 webos email program won't show inboxes Jul 30 14:09:51 maybe I'll write a wrapper.. Jul 30 14:09:58 updates shouldn't require new screenshots, etc Jul 30 14:10:21 finally raining here after about 4 weeks of nothing but hot. Jul 30 14:10:34 haeffb: I hate you Jul 30 14:10:46 its been raining here the last 4 months Jul 30 14:10:53 weird germany Jul 30 14:11:06 usually we have REALLY warm summers Jul 30 14:11:06 at least you get schnitzel and beer. Jul 30 14:11:09 but not this year Jul 30 14:11:16 and currywurst :) Jul 30 14:14:40 Titanium studio requires me to login... :( Jul 30 14:23:32 * haeffb rebooting to fix ubuntu's scrollbars Jul 30 14:23:54 * PatrickC getting ready to doctor.. to fix pre2 :'( Jul 30 14:24:28 Hi, does anyone has a hint for me on how to log when programming a synergy connector ? Jul 30 14:24:51 PatrickC, now you can do the partition the right way ;) Jul 30 14:25:01 true.. :) Jul 30 14:25:22 Matsimoto, I think you want to talk to nuttybunny about that Jul 30 14:26:20 matsimoto: gimme 1 second, I'll see if he's busy Jul 30 14:26:21 dammit, that didn't work Jul 30 14:26:39 he's here :) Jul 30 14:26:48 matsimoto: re ask the question, please Jul 30 14:26:52 who dares to require me? :P Jul 30 14:27:01 lol Jul 30 14:27:34 its about synergy plugins Jul 30 14:27:41 hehehe Jul 30 14:27:47 ah.. bbl Jul 30 14:27:50 ;) Jul 30 14:27:53 hahaha Jul 30 14:27:54 Hi, does anyone has a hint for me on how to log when programming a synergy connector ? Jul 30 14:28:14 NuttyBunny: Could you tell me how i can log from inside a synergy connector ? Jul 30 14:28:27 Sorry, my english is rusty and my connection is slow. Jul 30 14:28:49 Who should I summon next? Jul 30 14:28:57 * haeffb rebooting again Jul 30 14:30:26 matsimoto: The messaging plugins are a straight port from Pidgin, the logging there is done to the console. I haven't seen how the new connectors work. But I assume that if you use a C or node.js service, just throwing info to stdout should log it Jul 30 14:30:56 Yay! Jul 30 14:30:57 * rwatkins wonders how many "3.0" apps are going to have to go back to the drawing board to support the Pre3. Jul 30 14:31:25 rwatkins: It won't come with enyo, will it? Jul 30 14:31:26 * haeffb wonders whose bright idea it was to change to overlay scrollbars in ubuntu 11.x and NOT MAKE IT AN OPTION Jul 30 14:31:37 * rwatkins says nothing. Jul 30 14:31:43 time to rebuild the doctor Jul 30 14:32:10 NuttyBunny: I tried console.log from inside the connector, none of the messages reached me. Jul 30 14:32:11 haeffb: /me slaps the Ubuntu devs who made that decision as well. It doesn't even work sometimes, it's frustrating Jul 30 14:32:13 * PatrickC won't say either Jul 30 14:32:28 haeffb: what ubuntu update? Jul 30 14:32:52 11.04 Jul 30 14:33:11 btw, hi everyone Jul 30 14:33:19 It would be well advised for TP devs to go read the early access forums tho. Jul 30 14:33:24 1.04 has been out for a while Jul 30 14:33:36 yes. if you are EA, go to the forums! Jul 30 14:34:02 rwatkins: I can't read it properly from the Pre... which reminds me to nag Chuq about Tapatalk support :) Jul 30 14:35:15 matsimoto: You don't get ANY messages at all? Jul 30 14:36:01 screenshot of my gedit setup with palm-log output in the bottom pane... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/screenshotztt.png/ Jul 30 14:36:26 NuttyBunny: Only errors from the runtime, when things went wrong. Now after theese thing are fixed I see nothing :( Jul 30 14:36:38 what benefit does swap_partition_size give me? Jul 30 14:36:42 screw you, eclipse and your CPU-hogging fatness Jul 30 14:37:24 haeffb: gedit has cmd line built in? Jul 30 14:37:57 gedit has all sorts of things built in, but slightly hidden Jul 30 14:38:08 "External Tools" Jul 30 14:38:17 cool Jul 30 14:38:18 NuttyBunny: I am not very experienced I looked at plam-log and /var/log/messages are theese the wrong places ? Jul 30 14:38:20 I'll try it Jul 30 14:38:32 matsimoto: Does the framework_config.json file still applies? set "logLevel":0 , or in enyo use enyo.setLogLevel(99); Jul 30 14:38:45 matsimoto: you could also try using "ls-monitor" Jul 30 14:39:35 haeffb: nice ads ;) Jul 30 14:40:07 PatrickC: could you see where my "spam" tweet was sent from yesterday? Jul 30 14:40:09 thanks! Jul 30 14:41:03 NuttyBunny: I'll check Jul 30 14:41:06 I tailor them just to your interests Jul 30 14:41:16 Oh, 21 inch CRT monitor, I missed you this last week... NOT!! I was in Acapulco (if anyone cares) ;) Jul 30 14:41:18 NuttyBunny: ls-monitor looks cool, I doesn't knew it. I will check the framework_config. Jul 30 14:41:23 PatrickC: I deleted it already Jul 30 14:41:41 the ads I see are all big-booty ho's. Jul 30 14:41:46 oh Jul 30 14:41:54 not sure why Jul 30 14:42:07 haeffb: oops.. yep, I see those as well ;) Jul 30 14:43:03 haeffb: ubuntu sw center? or apt-get install gedit Jul 30 14:43:04 ? Jul 30 14:45:04 ubuntu comes with gedit Jul 30 14:45:13 Applications/Accessories/Text Editor Jul 30 14:45:17 really? Jul 30 14:45:29 how do I find it in 11.04? Jul 30 14:45:32 yeah, you get a whole operating system when you install gedit Jul 30 14:45:49 2.2=enyo.. nice... Jul 30 14:46:01 2.2 = enyo ? Jul 30 14:46:29 It would be well advised for TP devs to go read the early access forums tho. Jul 30 14:46:39 PatrickC: Applications/Accessories/Text Editor Jul 30 14:47:23 haeffb: I think he uses unity Jul 30 14:47:28 yes Jul 30 14:47:28 I do Jul 30 14:47:29 brb Jul 30 14:47:45 PatrickC: just click the ubuntu icon and "just type" gedit Jul 30 14:47:53 haha ok Jul 30 14:47:55 brb Jul 30 14:51:24 why would anyone use unity ? Jul 30 14:53:06 off to get some coffee. bbl Jul 30 14:54:34 you can disable unity??? Jul 30 14:54:42 NuttyBunny: Where should console.log come up ? In palm-log or do I need a tool to see my messages ? Jul 30 14:55:07 NuttyBunny: when I "just type" gedit, only Text Editor shows up Jul 30 14:58:27 bbl Jul 30 14:58:33 found out how to disable unity Jul 30 14:59:32 matsimoto: I assume /var/log/messages Jul 30 15:00:55 NuttyBunny: I thought that too, but none of my messages arrived there. Jul 30 15:01:54 matsimoto: you're using node.js for your app? Jul 30 15:01:58 connector Jul 30 15:06:35 NuttyBunny: I don't know. I use the palm-install utility. I think that should register my connector to node.js. Jul 30 15:08:55 matsimoto: I'm stuck then... Why don't you go and ask in the Palm Dev forums? :) Jul 30 15:12:18 NuttyBunny: I thought it was a newbie bug, thanks for your help. I will check this plaxxo connector from palm if it does not have this bug something went wrong with my install. Jul 30 15:23:27 mmmm....coffee! Jul 30 16:06:02 anyone know how I listen for a resize event triggered by the keyboard? Jul 30 16:16:10 * fxspec06 has half his game scaled for TP Jul 30 16:16:59 * fxspec06 and it's (explitive) awesome Jul 30 16:34:51 Good afternoon webos people Jul 30 16:35:25 hola Jul 30 16:35:41 WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Jul 30 16:36:06 Loving enyo lol? Jul 30 16:36:12 i'm not doing enyo Jul 30 16:36:13 at all. Jul 30 16:36:17 :o Jul 30 16:36:18 it's a mojo port / scale Jul 30 16:36:22 Gotcha Jul 30 16:36:23 i forgot to mention that Jul 30 16:36:32 enyo is fun Jul 30 16:36:36 I second that Jul 30 16:36:37 i'm making a system for it Jul 30 16:36:38 death to mojo Jul 30 16:36:47 I'm having some pain with panes though Jul 30 16:36:48 :( Jul 30 16:36:51 * haeffb not loving gedit as much at the moment Jul 30 16:36:52 long live mojo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 30 16:36:54 poor Mojo Jul 30 16:36:55 kinda glitchy Jul 30 16:36:59 <3 MOJO Jul 30 16:36:59 fxspec06: lol Jul 30 16:37:08 * fxspec06 MOJO! MOJO! MOJO! Jul 30 16:37:13 im done with mojo Jul 30 16:37:14 fxspec06: You obviously haven't tried enyo yet :p Jul 30 16:37:21 i've tried it just fine Jul 30 16:37:36 i love not making scenes in html Jul 30 16:37:38 mojo is better for what i want use it for Jul 30 16:37:45 twbbas: they're both tools Jul 30 16:37:47 PuffTheMagic: amen to that Jul 30 16:37:50 Mojo is like that crazy ex that just wont leave Jul 30 16:37:53 PuffTheMagic: that's exactly what i love about it Jul 30 16:38:06 about mojo? Jul 30 16:38:21 yes Jul 30 16:38:23 you like doing things 3 times that only need being done 1 time with enyo Jul 30 16:38:26 fxspec06 is stuck in the 90s using html :p Jul 30 16:38:37 HTML is widely used across the internet Jul 30 16:38:54 you don't believe me? go to any webpage and you'll see that HTML is used Jul 30 16:39:00 lol I know that Jul 30 16:39:06 SO THERE Jul 30 16:39:14 Doesn't mean it's good Jul 30 16:39:14 k food time Jul 30 16:39:22 f'in Toodledo blocks me for making excessive requests while I"m testing my app. Jul 30 16:39:27 it has its uses Jul 30 16:39:39 there's special things u can do in HTML Jul 30 16:39:50 they're all tools Jul 30 16:39:53 everything is a tool Jul 30 16:39:58 enyo is a tool. mojo is a too. Jul 30 16:39:59 you're a tool Jul 30 16:40:04 haeffb is a tool Jul 30 16:40:07 Let's agree to disagree Jul 30 16:40:16 if you have something that's available to you Jul 30 16:40:36 why would you not use it Jul 30 16:40:41 because there's something better. :p Jul 30 16:40:43 i use enyo and mojo Jul 30 16:40:43 * twbbas is done Jul 30 16:41:25 sugardave, I need to catch the resize event signal that is triggered by the keyboard when it shows up but I can seem to do it, do you know how? Jul 30 16:41:25 that's like saying a hammer is better than a wrench Jul 30 16:42:13 PuffTheMagic: window.resize will get fired when the keyboard maximizes/minimizes, so you could check its state Jul 30 16:42:40 how would I set up a listener for that? Jul 30 16:43:06 window.addEventListener("resize", handler, false); ? Jul 30 16:43:16 in the HTML or wherever else Jul 30 16:43:18 thanks Jul 30 16:43:21 np Jul 30 16:43:44 PuffTheMagic: if window doesn't work, try document Jul 30 16:43:50 but I'm pretty sure window will work Jul 30 16:44:19 sugardave: when's my netflix app going to be done? Jul 30 16:44:33 I don't know, how's your NetFlix app coming along? Jul 30 16:44:55 sugardave: can you test something out for me? Jul 30 16:45:42 I'm currently trying to figure out why an object made with enyo.create can have function callbacks passed to methods, while a regular kind created with new Kind() seems to take all attempts at passing a function argument and turn them into nothings Jul 30 16:45:42 Tibfib_: ping Jul 30 16:46:03 akanster: sorry, I am kind of busy at the moment Jul 30 16:46:09 :( Jul 30 16:47:24 sugardave: because they wrote it that way...? Jul 30 16:47:46 * haeffb always goes for the obvious solution Jul 30 16:47:47 well, it is dumb Jul 30 16:47:56 because I can pass a string and eval it Jul 30 16:48:01 and that's just wrong Jul 30 16:49:11 sugardave, hp needs to make all the native css classes available in doc form somehow Jul 30 16:49:34 its a pain in the ass having to grep for stuff in the sdk folder when you dont even know what you are looking for Jul 30 16:49:50 yeah, that would be nice Jul 30 16:51:18 thats the hardest thing for me as a noob web programmer Jul 30 16:52:40 +1 Jul 30 16:53:08 PuffTheMagic: yes, I know what you mean, I had the same problems in Mojo...I usually spend a lot of time poking through webkit dev console Jul 30 17:01:44 app catalog download issues fixed Jul 30 17:01:59 The issue where you couldn't download an app this morning Jul 30 17:02:05 (don't know if the # count is fixed yet) Jul 30 17:06:44 http://ompldr.org/vOW93cw/editah_2011-30-07_130512.png Jul 30 17:08:22 PuffTheMagic: I want. Jul 30 17:09:21 soon Jul 30 17:09:43 PuffTheMagic: Would there be a way to just open up the browser to the app's html file? This would save the time to test it by installing it. Jul 30 17:10:03 My app takes 3-5 mins to install Jul 30 17:10:24 thats crazy (install time) Jul 30 17:10:32 I have about 30MB of images Jul 30 17:10:38 what you want would require the app be installed as root Jul 30 17:10:47 I used to have 120MB but I cut it down by having the user download the rest of them Jul 30 17:11:03 twbbas: if it's not doing anything that requires actual webOS hardware (no db8, no connectionmanager, etc.) you can test it in a webkit browser....or am I missing the point? Jul 30 17:11:24 PuffTheMagic: I see. oh well, coding on the device is good enough for me. Jul 30 17:11:29 even if you need those things, you can set up mock services for them Jul 30 17:11:36 twbbas, im not saying that is out of the question Jul 30 17:11:39 oh, on the device Jul 30 17:11:41 I see Jul 30 17:11:46 ^ Jul 30 17:13:35 i wish you could set an excludes file for the webos eclipse plugin Jul 30 17:13:38 great. now my second account is blocked by Toodledo. Jul 30 17:13:42 i really wish it didnt install some dirs Jul 30 17:14:08 I stopped using Eclipse now that I'm doing enyo Jul 30 17:14:42 i use eclipse for all my programming, not just webos Jul 30 17:14:56 do Python, C, R, Lisp regularlly Jul 30 17:15:03 in addition to my enyo/css stuff Jul 30 17:15:17 eclipse handles them all nicely Jul 30 17:15:26 I've reverted back to a text editor Jul 30 17:16:04 PuffTheMagic: I see. I prefer Programmer's Notepad since I just do webOS programming right now. Jul 30 17:18:02 * haeffb still searching for an eclipse replacement Jul 30 17:18:32 haeffb, stop wasting time and just use eclipse ;) Jul 30 17:19:03 sugardave, when you said to add window.addEventListener("resize", handler, false); to my html, were you talking about the main index.html or can I add this listener in my main enyo control? Jul 30 17:19:22 PuffTheMagic: eclipse burns up my CPU Jul 30 17:19:34 thats webos's fail Jul 30 17:19:39 err Jul 30 17:19:40 the plugin Jul 30 17:19:46 that tails your apps logs Jul 30 17:19:52 i've notice something similar too Jul 30 17:20:01 hmmmm.... Jul 30 17:20:11 same feature like to lock up my eclipse Jul 30 17:20:15 they need to fix that Jul 30 17:20:18 I thought it was the aptana javascript validator Jul 30 17:20:23 ehhh Jul 30 17:20:29 i dont think thats it Jul 30 17:20:39 unless you installed a buggy version of aptana Jul 30 17:21:31 * haeffb will experiment some more Jul 30 17:25:21 ugh.. meta doctor broke my phone.. Jul 30 17:26:22 PatrickC, when has your phone not been broken? Jul 30 17:26:39 PuffTheMagic: which version of eclipse are you using? Jul 30 17:26:50 3.6.2 Jul 30 17:27:20 PuffTheMagic, well, its not totally broken.. but the meta doctor turned my phone into a stock phone Jul 30 17:27:34 i told it to bypass activation and firstuse, but it didnt Jul 30 17:27:44 it also never set the bootlogo to Tux Jul 30 17:29:03 dev mode was not enabled, and nothing was the way i told the makefile to do Jul 30 17:29:25 you failed Jul 30 17:29:30 how? Jul 30 17:29:35 the makefile ran fine Jul 30 17:29:46 i ran the cmd: Jul 30 17:29:49 your messed up the config Jul 30 17:29:56 and or you used the wrong doctor when u doctored Jul 30 17:29:57 make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr all Jul 30 17:30:29 i used the doctor from meta-doctor/build/pre2-p103ueuna-wr-2.1.0 Jul 30 17:30:52 should i just try building it again? Jul 30 17:31:49 I've been stuck on this problem for a few days. It's doozy but can anyone look at it please? :) http://pastebin.com/Wyxx8kC6 Jul 30 17:32:05 hey twbbas Jul 30 17:32:11 hey there Jul 30 17:32:25 * PatrickC goes to make the metadoctor *again* Jul 30 17:35:53 PuffTheMagic, why would i get this error? Jul 30 17:35:54 /bin/sh: ./scripts/replace-md5sums.py: Permission denied Jul 30 17:35:54 /bin/sh: ./scripts/replace-md5sums.py: Permission denied Jul 30 17:35:54 /bin/sh: ./scripts/replace-md5sums.py: Permission denied Jul 30 17:35:59 hey guys, punny joke here Jul 30 17:36:11 i guess this is a typo Jul 30 17:36:12 typoeof Jul 30 17:36:17 PatrickC, you know this is the wrong chan for this Jul 30 17:36:18 * fxspec06 awaits applause Jul 30 17:36:33 PuffTheMagic, i asked in #webos-internals and no one answered Jul 30 17:36:42 that does not change anything Jul 30 17:36:53 then can we talk in #webos-internals please? Jul 30 17:40:25 * haeffb running Titanium Studio...we'll see how the CPU goes. Jul 30 17:40:35 that does not change anything Jul 30 17:40:38 srry Jul 30 17:46:09 Ok, Titanium Studio is the eclipse that I wanted eclipse to be... Jul 30 17:46:17 Themes and everything Jul 30 17:48:24 * sugardave kicks db8 HARD. Jul 30 17:51:51 * NuttyBunny leaves Jul 30 17:51:53 c-ya Jul 30 17:52:27 bye, you nutty nutty bunny Jul 30 17:52:59 * haeffb LOVING Titanium Studio Jul 30 17:53:21 but if I add the webOS plugin....will it break? Jul 30 18:05:15 haeffb, when i search for gedit, it only shows the regular text editor Jul 30 18:05:25 that is gedit Jul 30 18:05:40 really? Jul 30 18:05:46 how do u make it look like yours did? Jul 30 18:05:50 but I've moved on to Titanium Studio Jul 30 18:06:15 Edit/Preferences Jul 30 18:06:44 under View, check everything but text wrapping Jul 30 18:07:08 google "gmate" and install that Jul 30 18:07:27 but, really, just go get Titanium Studio. Jul 30 18:08:16 free? Jul 30 18:08:22 yes Jul 30 18:08:30 awesome Jul 30 18:08:33 ill google it Jul 30 18:08:36 it's based on aptana, which is based on eclipse Jul 30 18:08:53 it's sort of just a nicer version of eclipse Jul 30 18:09:37 PuffTheMagic: a code editor? SWEET! Jul 30 18:10:56 haeffb, the linux x86 link isnt clickable Jul 30 18:11:14 where? Jul 30 18:11:23 ah fixed it Jul 30 18:11:26 titanium Jul 30 18:16:17 im a brown belt! Jul 30 18:16:23 and i get the loyalty discount! Jul 30 18:16:26 :D Jul 30 18:17:13 Nice!!! When was your first app published again? Jul 30 18:18:24 back sometime around this time last year Jul 30 18:18:52 i just showed my dev rep my user profile, the fact that im a senior forum member, and that im in the top (20 i believe) for forum post counts Jul 30 18:19:03 and she said, you are very loyal to webos! Jul 30 18:19:12 Nice Jul 30 18:19:28 I've been in the AC for a year too but not very active on the forums Jul 30 18:19:43 I have 6 apps but don't know which qualify Jul 30 18:20:03 same here Jul 30 18:20:06 i have 6 out Jul 30 18:22:08 twbbas, have you heard anything yet? Jul 30 18:22:28 Nope Jul 30 18:22:43 im sure youll hear soon.. i hope Jul 30 18:22:43 Been 14 business days, I believe Jul 30 18:22:59 i get 35% off... im going with the loaner for now, then will buy later Jul 30 18:23:10 Good idea Jul 30 18:23:32 Use loaner to make apps that will make you money to buy one Jul 30 18:24:01 well, ill have the money after i watch my friends dogs Jul 30 18:24:01 Notepad++ comes with themes! Jul 30 18:24:08 they get back sometime next month Jul 30 18:24:13 amazing, I have used this for years and just now noticed Jul 30 18:24:21 akanster, i use Sublime Text 2 now.. i used to use NP++ Jul 30 18:25:11 I have that installed but I havent given it a chance yet. it's weird switching editors in the middle of a project Jul 30 18:26:01 i switched editors in the middle of a project yesterday.. i like Sublime text 2 better then NP++ (though i still have NP++ installed, just in case ;) Jul 30 18:26:36 akanster, yup Jul 30 18:28:01 PuffTheMagic: Other than python, what other languages will you support? Jul 30 18:29:02 wait.. what code editor? Jul 30 18:29:32 right now it supports, C/C++/C#, Clojure, Coffee,CSS,HTML,Java,Javascript,Json,Perl,PHP,Python,Ruby,SCSS,SVG,XML Jul 30 18:29:46 for syntax highlighting Jul 30 18:30:03 PuffTheMagic, u making a text editor or something? Jul 30 18:30:18 see above screenshot ;) Jul 30 18:30:59 dont see a link.. Jul 30 18:31:06 i think i came it right after it Jul 30 18:31:22 http://ompldr.org/vOW93cw/editah_2011-30-07_130512.png Jul 30 18:31:45 AWESOME! Jul 30 18:31:58 ill have a touchpad probably next week too! so just in time :) Jul 30 18:32:05 is that an actual app, or inside the chroot? Jul 30 18:32:08 PuffTheMagic: is that a shell? Jul 30 18:32:15 its a real enyo app Jul 30 18:32:16 PuffTheMagic: so, it depends I guess...you probably want to put it in your Enyo control so you can use a handler that you've defined in the control Jul 30 18:32:20 * haeffb is still upset that I can't update my mojo app. Jul 30 18:32:28 sugardave, i got it working actually ;) Jul 30 18:32:45 haeffb, why cant u? Jul 30 18:32:51 uiRevision: 2 Jul 30 18:32:58 sugardave, in my main control's rendered() i put window.addEventListener('resize', enyo.bind(this, 'resizeHandler'), false) Jul 30 18:33:09 the portal decides it's a 3.0 app only and requires TouchPad screenshots Jul 30 18:33:17 which is just dumb Jul 30 18:33:53 haeffb: what is there something wrong with the app update? Jul 30 18:34:01 PuffTheMagic: cool, tha twill do it Jul 30 18:34:03 maybe I'll just email the .ipk to Adora Jul 30 18:34:17 that would probably work Jul 30 18:35:23 and to chuq and sugardave and lemketron and richardkerris and mattsmcnulty and.... Jul 30 18:35:33 everyone else I can think of Jul 30 18:36:09 dkirker, halfhalo, roy-pre101 Jul 30 18:36:23 sugardave: hi Jul 30 18:36:28 hi :) Jul 30 18:36:28 rar Jul 30 18:36:42 hey dkirker Jul 30 18:36:50 oh, im a brown belt. i heard back :) Jul 30 18:37:06 was just adding you guys to haeffb's list of vic...helpers Jul 30 18:37:09 ;) Jul 30 18:37:27 lol Jul 30 18:37:41 sugardave, when do i get my pre3 dev device?? Jul 30 18:38:17 not before I get mine, that's for sure Jul 30 18:38:52 u dont have one yet? Jul 30 18:38:58 i figured u would Jul 30 18:39:16 I do, that's why I can say that with 100% guarantee Jul 30 18:39:28 so u have one Jul 30 18:39:32 when do i get mine? :) Jul 30 18:39:52 probably sometime after they become available Jul 30 18:40:07 hopefully it wont take as long as the tp program.. Jul 30 18:41:14 YEAHHHHHHHH Jul 30 18:41:24 fxspec06, hey!! Jul 30 18:41:28 * fxspec06 GOT DYNAMIC CONTENT TO SCALE PROPERLY ON TP Jul 30 18:41:33 stupid underscore.... Jul 30 18:41:36 * fxspec06 CAN FINISH HIS PORT TODAY Jul 30 18:41:41 lol Jul 30 18:41:53 I'LL HAVE WORKING TP MOJO SCALE IN 2 HRS / LESS Jul 30 18:42:01 then it's APP CATALOG UPDATE TIME Jul 30 18:42:12 in the same ipk!!!!!! Jul 30 18:42:13 you figured out width: 100%, height: 100%? :P Jul 30 18:42:19 * PatrickC thinks that you like the capslock button.. lol Jul 30 18:42:22 i made my own functions Jul 30 18:42:27 that scale all the elements Jul 30 18:42:35 ugh! Jul 30 18:42:38 i had to change my divs to img tags Jul 30 18:42:45 um Jul 30 18:42:49 that sounds wrong Jul 30 18:42:53 and for the dynamic ones i had to insert innerHTML Jul 30 18:43:04 then i check for TP and use Jul 30 18:43:21 that.controller.document.getElementsByTagName("img")[elementArray[x]].offsetWidth Jul 30 18:43:30 that to get the width of the Jul 30 18:43:45 and change that along w/ the left, top, and height Jul 30 18:43:58 dividing by 0.625 Jul 30 18:44:12 it sounds to me like class changing based on device orientation might have been simpler... Jul 30 18:44:42 i have a complicated game Jul 30 18:44:54 sounds like it Jul 30 18:44:57 lol yeah Jul 30 18:45:36 so i made a function. and to scale elements, all i do is this: Jul 30 18:45:57 fxspec06, next.. ENYO PORT!! ;) Jul 30 18:46:12 if (this.controller.window.innerWidth > 480) { Jul 30 18:46:12 var that = this; Jul 30 18:46:12 resizeTouchPad(objectArray, that); Jul 30 18:46:12 } Jul 30 18:46:46 where objectArray contains a list of element ID's Jul 30 18:47:18 i can add distance and dimension arguments Jul 30 18:47:36 and i can add aspect ratio arguments Jul 30 18:47:41 optional =D Jul 30 18:47:51 * PatrickC mumbles at the meta doctor Jul 30 18:49:37 fxspec06: be forewarned - you're going to have submission issues Jul 30 18:50:37 lol Jul 30 18:51:31 what it the deal with the TP discounts? are they mailing them or emailing them? not that it matters right now, in mexico for the time being Jul 30 18:52:09 email iirc Jul 30 18:52:30 haeffb: thanks for reminding me, i didn't think i'd have a working ipk this quickly. i'll read up on later Jul 30 18:52:32 back to work Jul 30 18:52:48 i can just order a loaner and keep it and pay the discounted price anyways, but can't ship it to MX =( Jul 30 18:53:40 yeah Jul 30 18:53:45 thats what im doing Jul 30 18:53:50 loaner for now, till i get the money Jul 30 18:54:11 is the touchpad box about the size of a macbook 13 box? anyone know? Jul 30 18:54:21 no clue Jul 30 18:54:44 same here... Jul 30 18:54:46 all i know is i hope i get more then $90 for watching these dogs! Jul 30 18:54:59 i need about $90 more to be able to get my touchpad Jul 30 18:55:31 how long are you watching the dogs? Jul 30 18:55:36 a month Jul 30 18:55:36 *wave* Jul 30 18:55:50 and they are a ton of work.. i should make a couple houndred at least Jul 30 18:55:54 hundred* Jul 30 18:55:57 hey thomaschaaf Jul 30 18:56:39 PatrickC: pro tip: arrange payment details BEFORE committing to the job Jul 30 18:57:19 PatrickC: $1000 for watching dogs for a month =) does are california prics +) Jul 30 18:57:29 does --> those Jul 30 18:57:35 sugardave, they said theyd pay me.. so i just hope its a good price.. Jul 30 18:57:43 and im mainly doing it to be nice.. :) Jul 30 18:58:01 le sigh Jul 30 18:58:08 stepping on tons of poop is not nice... Jul 30 18:58:30 LoneStar99, haha.. they said it would be ~$3000 for boarding them.. and their dad used to own a major web company.. so i dont think they r hurting too much. Jul 30 18:58:40 it should be ~$500 (i HOPE) Jul 30 18:59:53 should I try installing the webOS eclipse plugin in Titanium Studio? Jul 30 19:00:05 yes Jul 30 19:00:26 or maybe let PatrickC try it first Jul 30 19:00:41 PatrickC: maybe they will pay $150 lol, tons of wealthy people are cheap! Jul 30 19:00:50 WTF?! 1 Month dog watching 500 USD?! Jul 30 19:00:58 I should start watching dogs Jul 30 19:01:03 these people arent cheap.. lol Jul 30 19:01:12 thomaschaaf, it would be ~$3000 to board them Jul 30 19:01:20 ok, cool, you better hope not =) Jul 30 19:01:39 watch dogs and program.. Jul 30 19:01:41 seems fine Jul 30 19:02:15 how many dogs are we talking about? Jul 30 19:03:04 we used to take care of 2 dogs, my ex-girlfriends parents would pay us $150 for 3 days.... Jul 30 19:03:16 ruh roh. My emulator no longer runs... Jul 30 19:03:30 the dad used to own/run http://www.pngusa.net/support/aolvspng.htm Jul 30 19:03:44 haeffb: you encountering a host of problems today... Jul 30 19:03:46 LoneStar99, 2 dogs Jul 30 19:03:55 1 is 3, one is 1 yr old.. Jul 30 19:04:07 are they nice looking lol Jul 30 19:04:28 so anyone placing bets on a 3.0.2 release date? Jul 30 19:04:32 I"ve been meaning to update to VB 4.1 anyhow... Jul 30 19:04:40 rwatkins, sometime next month Jul 30 19:04:44 you should just ask 12 year olds in your neighbor hood they'll probably go out with the dogs for free :D Jul 30 19:04:48 PatrickC: good bet. Jul 30 19:04:54 yeo Jul 30 19:05:06 yep* Jul 30 19:05:19 not yet moved to VB4 yet myself either Jul 30 19:05:34 * PatrickC kicks the meta doctor Jul 30 19:05:42 keep tying to fix a few more bugs in my app, but feel like I'm also playing chicken with the OTA release date. Jul 30 19:05:59 anyone install VB 4.x? yet ?? Jul 30 19:06:07 me Jul 30 19:06:10 aint broke, dont fix it. Jul 30 19:06:14 thomaschaaf: any issues? Jul 30 19:06:39 rwatkins: been slacking with my new app like 5 days of no coding Jul 30 19:07:20 LoneStar99, i have Jul 30 19:07:32 well I installed 3.0 and now I don't have palm-* anymore but emulator seems to be working Jul 30 19:07:38 but it hsa to be 4.0! Jul 30 19:07:44 not 4.1 Jul 30 19:07:45 hopeing this next release is clean enough to last a while and then focus on support for pre3. Jul 30 19:07:48 is VB 4.0.12 OK? Jul 30 19:07:49 by 3.0 I mean sdk Jul 30 19:07:56 haeffb, yeah Jul 30 19:08:04 what is not working? I can check Jul 30 19:08:15 PatrickC: so no issues with 4.0? Jul 30 19:08:20 not for me Jul 30 19:08:28 ok does it support screenshots? Jul 30 19:08:45 i run Xubuntu, Ububtu, Kubuntu, Puppy Linux, and like 6 emus in it Jul 30 19:08:50 that i dont know Jul 30 19:08:58 oh ok Jul 30 19:09:06 haeffb: what is not working? Jul 30 19:09:12 will do a "the google" on it Jul 30 19:09:29 The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Jul 30 19:09:48 ah Jul 30 19:09:54 i run vbox in windows Jul 30 19:10:02 me too Jul 30 19:10:10 that is VB 3.x Jul 30 19:12:00 * haeffb has to uninstall VB 3.x before installing 4.0. Do my images hang around ? Jul 30 19:16:58 the .iso ? Jul 30 19:18:25 haeffb: they should, but you should back them up from the .VirtualBox directory in your home dir Jul 30 19:18:57 too late for taking fancy steps like "backups" Jul 30 19:18:58 there's an obvious directory of hard disk images there Jul 30 19:19:01 oh Jul 30 19:19:02 oops Jul 30 19:19:23 it's OK, I may quit webOS development soon anyhow... :) Jul 30 19:19:32 NO! lol Jul 30 19:25:34 me too Jul 30 19:26:11 not enough devices Jul 30 19:26:21 not enough boom Jul 30 19:27:00 emu back up and running - webOS 1.4, 2.1 and 3.0 Jul 30 19:27:19 cool Jul 30 19:27:26 pre2 still not running.. Jul 30 19:42:31 crud. my screen resolution isn't high/tall enough for this emulator I'm trying to run. Jul 30 19:51:04 haha that's funny Jul 30 19:54:21 Hey. Can someone look at this enyo problem I'm having? http://pastebin.com/diff.php?i=Wyxx8kC6 Jul 30 20:00:54 twbbas: I looked and can't help Jul 30 20:01:02 :\ Jul 30 20:01:14 Thanks for looking Jul 30 20:10:09 I guess I'll just post it up on the dev forums Jul 30 20:22:49 nice. Titanium Studio has a terminal window that I can use to palm-run and see logs Jul 30 20:25:04 haeffb: Is it worth using over programmer's notepad? Jul 30 20:30:11 I've not used Programmer's Notepad. Jul 30 20:30:17 But. Jul 30 20:30:29 It does a lot of things that I like Jul 30 20:31:04 have you tried eclipse? Jul 30 20:38:46 maybe Adora_ can handle my app submission problems... Jul 30 20:39:18 but it's the weeeeeeeeeeeeeekend ;_; Jul 30 20:39:25 hey Adora_ !! Jul 30 20:39:28 berb Jul 30 20:39:29 brb* Jul 30 20:40:07 haeffb: I saw your email, let's discuss later Jul 30 20:40:44 * haeffb only works on the weeeeeeeekend Jul 30 20:40:53 but I'm in no hurry Jul 30 20:42:30 * PatrickC was supprised to get a email from dev rel today.. Jul 30 20:55:18 haeffb: Is it like Eclipse? Jul 30 21:07:40 haeffb: Is it called "Aptana Studio?" Jul 30 21:10:52 haeffb: Nevermind. I found it "Titanium Studio." Jul 30 21:32:21 AppleCare just told me I was allowed to install an OptiBay without voiding my warranty Jul 30 21:34:28 so i really need a vertical slider Jul 30 21:34:31 anyone got any ideas? Jul 30 21:36:23 PuffTheMagic: what about a VirtualList? Jul 30 21:36:42 or just an enyo.Scroller with whatever you want in it Jul 30 21:36:49 i cant use a scroller Jul 30 21:36:51 extend the slider kind Jul 30 21:37:10 oh, I wasn't thinking of the actual Slider, carry on Jul 30 21:37:11 or turn on rotation lock and turn the TP on it's side. Jul 30 21:37:37 sugardave, this is for my editor, the editor canvas already handles what what a virtuallist would do, only renders portions of the document Jul 30 21:37:48 i need something to scroll the document up and down Jul 30 21:37:52 and show position in the document Jul 30 22:45:36 PuffTheMagic: gotcha...no clue on that, though Jul 30 22:46:02 extending the slider might be the way to go Jul 30 23:03:03 yeah, the rotation lock thing would really be sucky Jul 31 01:05:40 http://ompldr.org/vOXA0Mg/editah_2011-30-07_210344.png Jul 31 01:05:46 ^^ how bout them apples Jul 31 01:14:49 another color scheme? or the only available one? Jul 31 01:14:58 btw, it looks hot to death" Jul 31 01:15:07 (as my friend would say) Jul 31 01:17:18 there are about ~16 color scheme enabled atm Jul 31 01:17:26 and think there are some more i can enable Jul 31 01:17:46 heh, you even have the 80 character marker Jul 31 01:18:00 that configurable ;) Jul 31 01:18:18 so is soft word wrap, hard word wrap and no word wrap Jul 31 01:18:52 what's the difference between soft & hard word wrap? Jul 31 01:19:06 hard inserts new lines Jul 31 01:19:13 soft does it dynamically Jul 31 01:19:18 with out modifying document Jul 31 01:19:29 ah! Jul 31 01:20:12 so with the soft word wrap, the line numbers on wrapped lines skip? Jul 31 01:22:20 akanster, u mean like this http://ompldr.org/vOXA0Ng/editah_2011-30-07_212031.png Jul 31 01:22:34 nailed it! Jul 31 01:22:57 looks great Jul 31 01:26:09 PuffTheMagic: where are you creating and saving user's files? Jul 31 01:26:34 akanster, i havent gotten to that yet Jul 31 01:26:46 but i node service will probably handle that Jul 31 01:27:00 the Jul 31 01:27:02 the Jul 31 01:27:05 grr Jul 31 01:27:10 heh Jul 31 01:27:15 the "homebrew" version could have a rooted service Jul 31 01:27:20 so you could edit anything Jul 31 01:27:29 will the files pe preserved if the user deletes the app? Jul 31 01:27:34 but an app cat version would prob be restricted to /media/internal Jul 31 01:27:46 yes, it wouldnt delete files Jul 31 01:28:26 *hint* Dropbox integration would be awesome Jul 31 01:30:39 thats easy :D Jul 31 01:31:07 or Box.net and enter your app into their Dev Challenge :) Jul 31 01:35:24 Booyah! http://twitpic.com/5yj94i http://twitpic.com/5yjbrx Jul 31 01:36:14 nice Jul 31 01:36:17 classy Jul 31 01:36:37 Hey haeffb. Wanna know what my problem was earlier in my code? Jul 31 01:36:41 * twbbas feels so stupid Jul 31 01:36:47 I saw Jul 31 01:36:53 on the forums? lol Jul 31 01:37:16 I can't believe I did that :\ Jul 31 01:37:54 It was originally not an if/else statement. I must have forgot to move the render from the if to after the if/else. Jul 31 01:38:05 that happens Jul 31 01:38:28 Welp. I guess I learn something new every day Jul 31 01:41:14 twbbas: http://twitpic.com/5wqrl3 <- that's a lot of Pres :) Jul 31 01:42:40 haha only 3 are Pres Jul 31 01:42:52 1 is one of those $40 Pixi's at the 1 sale a day website a few months back Jul 31 01:43:04 2 of the Pres I got for free from HP :D Jul 31 01:43:51 and a Staples Easy button!!! Jul 31 01:44:46 I'll have to take an updated pic at some holiday when my brothers and sister are in town. There would be 3 Pre-'s, 4 Pre 3s, 1 Pre 2, 1 Pre Plus, 2 Pixi Plus, 1 Pixi, and a TouchPad. Jul 31 01:45:13 4 Pre 3's hey? Jul 31 01:45:16 oh and maybe 2 more TouchPads if my brothers end up getting one Jul 31 01:45:28 rwhitby: Yup! My 2 brothers, me, and my sister are all due for upgrades Jul 31 01:45:42 oh, in the future. ok. Jul 31 01:45:51 Yup. That's why I said at a "holiday" sometime :D Jul 31 01:46:10 akanster: I actually have tow easy buttons. 1 in english and 1 in spanish. Jul 31 01:46:19 tow -> two Jul 31 01:46:30 Oh dear God, I want the Spanish one! Jul 31 01:46:42 haha my Aunt got it for me a few years ago Jul 31 01:46:48 (when I was taking Spanish still) Jul 31 01:46:51 Titanium studio seems to have put an end to the CPU cycle hogging issue. Or maybe it's the different webOS plugin. Jul 31 01:47:52 I'll have to try Titanium Studio. I downloaded it earlier today. Jul 31 01:48:01 haeffb: Where did you get the webOS plugin from? Jul 31 01:48:18 the standard from HP Dev website Jul 31 01:48:26 works just fine Jul 31 01:48:31 oh ok Jul 31 01:48:37 So Titanium is similar to Eclipse? Jul 31 01:49:07 this one https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_with_the_eclipse_ide.html Jul 31 01:49:14 Titanium is eclipse, but better Jul 31 01:49:22 haeffb: Gotcha. Sounds promising. Jul 31 01:49:33 I think the main reason I'll use it is for the terminal window in it Jul 31 01:50:02 The App Explorer is nice, too. Jul 31 01:50:44 and Themes, and Validators, and... Jul 31 01:52:21 hmm themes sound nice Jul 31 01:57:02 the find bar is cool Jul 31 01:57:34 my shitty mojo app is nearing 3000 downloads! Jul 31 01:57:47 akanster: Haha nice! Which app? Jul 31 01:58:06 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.almadencode.hackernews - Hacker News Reader Jul 31 01:59:52 akanster: Make the 3001 Jul 31 01:59:56 the -> that Jul 31 02:00:23 3002 xD Jul 31 02:00:26 huh? Jul 31 02:01:20 2916 according to the dev portal ;) Jul 31 02:01:45 I just grabbed it for ya Jul 31 02:04:39 and we all know those dev portal numbers are rock solid. ;) Jul 31 02:15:20 rwatkins: I think free apps are still counted correctly Jul 31 02:17:41 ya, they are. just sorta topical at the moment .. Jul 31 02:18:47 twbbas: quick pm? Jul 31 02:18:54 hit me Jul 31 02:42:15 This is a test for TouchPad_USA_WiFi_Lifecycle_5. Jul 31 02:42:19 heh Jul 31 02:53:37 hey all Jul 31 02:53:53 * PatrickC is happy to have his phone back after about 6 hours of work... Jul 31 02:54:20 what did you do to it? Jul 31 02:54:31 he PatrickC'd all over it Jul 31 02:54:48 NuttyBunny: the whole meta-doctor situation Jul 31 02:54:59 turns out the meta doctor doesn't like openjdk... Jul 31 02:55:20 ah, yes :) Jul 31 02:55:48 heh.. that should be a flag... Jul 31 02:56:04 if (openjdk is installed) DON'T RUN THE SCRIPT! Jul 31 02:56:18 else (play nice) Jul 31 02:56:43 else (sun java is installed) have fun, and enjoy your flight* Jul 31 02:56:51 sure, it's git, do it ;) Jul 31 02:57:05 like I know how lol Jul 31 02:58:20 once I get better at if else statements, I will :) Jul 31 02:58:21 From the Meta Doctor page: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre (it implies "use sun java") Jul 31 02:58:51 oh Jul 31 02:58:54 that I could do Jul 31 02:59:36 Xuzz: ping! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 31 02:59:57 2011