**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 31 02:59:57 2011 Jul 31 03:01:30 PatrickC: rwhitby would say: Don't skip steps, follow the instructions precisely Jul 31 03:02:50 le sigh Jul 31 03:03:27 NuttyBunny: what steps am I skipping? Jul 31 03:03:48 PatrickC: Installing Sun Java for starters ;) Jul 31 03:03:54 lol Jul 31 03:04:02 openjdk I thought would work Jul 31 03:04:14 it worked fine for the regular doctor, just not the meta Jul 31 03:05:55 PatrickC: I bet openjdk would also run the meta doctor created jar file ;) It just can't create the doctor, it can run it Jul 31 03:06:26 ah true Jul 31 03:10:32 the style matters app is so helpful.. :) Jul 31 03:48:43 Hey PatrickC Jul 31 03:49:02 hey hey Jul 31 03:49:15 I fixed the problem I've been stuck on for a few days Jul 31 03:49:30 same here! :D Jul 31 03:49:41 Get this: I wasn't called this.render() in the "else" statement. I thought I had it AFTER the if/else but apparently it was only in the if part. Jul 31 03:49:50 I can't believe I missed that Jul 31 03:49:57 and congratulations on fixing yours Jul 31 03:50:54 Well, I'm off to bed. Jul 31 03:50:58 Talk to you later Jul 31 04:01:42 ok.. anyone good with showAlertDialog ? Jul 31 04:05:36 I found a touchstone charging kit for $7 at The Shack today Jul 31 04:07:17 cool Jul 31 04:07:39 it is, now I have two pucks, and two backs Jul 31 04:07:43 one of which isn't cracked Jul 31 04:07:55 i got my ui working like I have been trying to do for like 3 days Jul 31 04:08:01 noice Jul 31 04:08:30 yep.. Jul 31 04:08:49 now.. just can't get showAlertDialog to work while calling other things.. Jul 31 04:09:14 it works fine by itself.. but it I all the showAlertDialog with villo.user.logout(); Jul 31 04:09:27 it just logs out... and doesn't show the popup Jul 31 04:12:20 fxspec06: ping Jul 31 04:13:55 PatrickC: what are you trying to show? Jul 31 04:14:04 just a popup saying Jul 31 04:14:14 You have successfully logged out Jul 31 04:14:43 Popup.openAtCenter() Jul 31 04:14:51 in mojo? Jul 31 04:14:55 oh Jul 31 04:15:02 ignore then Jul 31 04:15:11 that was enyo Jul 31 04:15:12 lol Jul 31 04:15:19 yeah.. I have enyo working.. Jul 31 04:15:56 and slowly the app's size grows Jul 31 04:16:34 how are you calling showAlertDialog? Jul 31 04:16:55 yes Jul 31 04:16:57 let me paste Jul 31 04:17:58 akanster: http://pastie.org/private/gmiohbaen3ou66va2l9ca logout is the last function() called Jul 31 04:19:36 anything wrong? Jul 31 04:19:53 im digging through my old mojo code Jul 31 04:20:54 lol ok Jul 31 04:23:35 meh, no idea :( Jul 31 04:23:52 ohwell.. I'll try and fix it tomorrow Jul 31 04:23:58 when I'm not tired :) Jul 31 04:27:12 * PatrickC needs a good background... Jul 31 04:29:16 if you have any suggestions, please tweer @YourRadio_webOS Jul 31 05:48:03 has anyone tried running minecraft via the preJVM on pre 2? Jul 31 05:51:38 it has binary modules Jul 31 05:52:56 a WebOS Internals dev is looking at cross-compiling those to arm Jul 31 05:54:37 groovy. thanks for the minecraft info. i'll check back from time to time. good luck. Jul 31 07:14:21 Hey everyone! Jul 31 07:14:29 (or the 2 that are awake at this hour) Jul 31 07:15:06 Whats sleep? Jul 31 07:15:10 enyo: how the **** do I expose a method in a kind? so I can call a showScrim method of a kind from anywhere? Jul 31 07:15:29 rrix: sleep is the thing that most people do when they're not coding Jul 31 07:15:36 weird. Jul 31 07:15:46 * rrix hasn't slept since about 48 hours ago :< Jul 31 07:17:50 awake but haven't worked with enyo Jul 31 07:48:33 hi rrix Jul 31 07:48:35 :) Jul 31 07:50:55 hi dkirker :) Jul 31 08:35:44 howdy folks Jul 31 09:12:39 howdy lozzd Jul 31 09:12:40 LoneStar99: Jul 31 09:12:58 * lozzd shakes fist at thomaschaaf Jul 31 09:13:06 :D Jul 31 11:21:26 Hi, does anyone know why I get an "Error: httpClient error ENOTFOUND, Domain name not found" when I try to use an URL like: http://192.168.178.157:8080/remsy-server/ ? Jul 31 11:21:51 Do I have to use a domain name ? Jul 31 13:12:13 aw, how sweet. Titanium Studio has git built-in. Jul 31 13:23:25 * PatrickC yawns Jul 31 13:25:11 what's up all? Jul 31 13:41:15 * NuttyBunny shakes fist at Palm!! Argh!! Y U NO MAKE VIRTUAL LIST WORK?!! Jul 31 13:48:25 http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-google-search-experience-for.html - Google's new tablet search experience doesnt work on the TouchPad? Jul 31 13:51:54 * PatrickC wanders by Jul 31 14:08:41 * NuttyBunny pushes PatrickC Jul 31 14:08:54 * PatrickC pushes back Jul 31 14:09:14 NuttyBunny: get the app ready? Jul 31 14:09:43 I'm gonna need fxspec06's help later today.. lol Jul 31 14:10:21 PatrickC, almooooost... it has a bug, but I think it's Palm-side.. the code is correct, yet the results are not... I think I'll have to work around it (yet again) Jul 31 14:10:35 haha Jul 31 14:10:46 at least you can work around it ;) Jul 31 14:18:30 fxspec06: have you played with array splice/slice? Those are great as well ;) Jul 31 14:25:27 PatrickC: But the most important thing works now!! Canvas+file save :D I'm just making it pretty and fixing things here and there Jul 31 14:26:20 in fact... I think it's time for the first full working pre-release :D Jul 31 14:26:54 YEAH! cool Jul 31 14:28:45 it does NOT work on Pre2, I don't know if it will work in REDACTED either, but at least works in the 3.0 emu and should work on TP (the saving part, it's a webOS limitation) Jul 31 14:28:55 the saving, doesn't work Jul 31 14:28:59 brb Jul 31 14:45:24 NuttyBunny, virtual lists work fine Jul 31 15:32:02 PuffTheMagic: file:///opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/refcode/framework/enyo/1.0/support/examples/List/SelectableVirtualGrid/index.html <-- When I click "Load Data", the first row is wrong. If I click it again, it gets fixed. On my app, the first time it shows correctly, but the next ones it shows wrong :S I'll just load all the data at once and present it in a scroller (it shouldn't change) ;) Jul 31 15:32:25 Ah, it's "Virtual Grid" Jul 31 15:33:39 lol Jul 31 15:34:45 NuttyBunny: yeah that example is borked Jul 31 15:35:02 I left it there because it kinda worked, but now I need to fix that.. :) squashing all the remaining bugs Jul 31 15:35:07 also if you resize the window, that first row changes Jul 31 15:35:48 people, throw me app name ideas for my editor app, so far the contenders are "TIDE -> Touchpad IDE" and "Enyo Edit" Jul 31 15:35:52 akanster: The problem is that the logic is fine, I set the image.src correctly, but the element just changes.. too weird. Jul 31 15:35:53 but i want more ideas Jul 31 15:35:58 s/want/need/ Jul 31 15:36:27 I like Tide Jul 31 15:36:38 but that's not too discoverable on Google Jul 31 15:36:51 everyone would get the detergent instead :) Jul 31 15:37:06 the tide logo is my icon right now actually ;) Jul 31 15:37:11 haha Jul 31 15:37:16 hehehe Jul 31 15:38:16 Puff Puff Edit Jul 31 15:38:29 Endorsed by Snoop Dogg Jul 31 15:38:31 lol Jul 31 15:43:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEJA2eyBfo - Awesome juggling skills Jul 31 16:23:09 hmm Jul 31 16:23:23 why dont modal dialogs handle orientations changes Jul 31 17:56:04 any db8 people want to test something for me? Try to merge a record with this key: announcements_20110726 and tell me if you get a permission denied error Jul 31 17:56:43 announcements_a_record_20110726. I merged it right on in there. Jul 31 17:57:04 that's a different key :/ Jul 31 17:57:11 without the a_record part Jul 31 17:57:50 it's weird, announcement_blah works, anouncements1_blah works, but announcements_blah gives permission denied everytime Jul 31 17:58:02 I even deleted the whole dbkind (supposedly) Jul 31 17:58:07 and it still persists Jul 31 18:10:16 sugardave, http://ompldr.org/vOXBkNw/tide_2011-31-07_140801.png Jul 31 18:10:48 PuffTheMagic: wow, that is nice! Jul 31 18:10:57 looking really great Jul 31 18:11:14 i fixed the autocaps bug i was having so now its pretty usable Jul 31 18:11:34 just need to get a node service working to do file io and i can drop a testing feed release Jul 31 18:11:57 sweet, I will be watching Jul 31 18:18:17 yer that looks usefull Jul 31 18:22:58 PuffTheMagic: I thought Editah was a good name :D Jul 31 18:23:09 hotdp: hey hey Jul 31 18:23:28 ehh, some people are not fans of the -ah names Jul 31 18:23:38 screw them! Jul 31 18:43:24 hey sugardave Jul 31 18:43:34 PuffTheMagic: will there be svn integration? Jul 31 18:45:14 PuffTheMagic: you just made my day Jul 31 18:45:44 * Lumiere notes webos it means git integration first Jul 31 18:47:07 hotdp, well for there to be scm integration in any form one would need to first package up git/svn/hg etc Jul 31 18:47:54 droppbox,box.net support is coming before i do any scm integration Jul 31 18:48:13 fullscreen mode is nice though Jul 31 18:48:21 more apps should use it Jul 31 18:48:26 wIRC will ;) Jul 31 18:49:27 I love the new enyo slide-out frames Jul 31 19:01:45 * PatrickC is now a WebOS World contributor :) Jul 31 19:05:06 congrats Jul 31 19:05:15 thanks Jul 31 19:05:36 now.. to get Villo chat working :) Jul 31 19:05:46 Good night Jul 31 19:05:54 night Jul 31 19:06:30 anyone got a loaner yet? Jul 31 19:24:21 hi Jul 31 19:24:59 how long can i expect the time until i get answer from webosdev@palm.com --> belt status / certified dev Jul 31 19:29:26 I want my TouchPad!!!!! PAAALM!!! Gimme my belt!!! ..... my pants keep falling :( Jul 31 19:31:33 leiru: soon Jul 31 19:33:16 hey PatrickC, hi NuttyBunny Jul 31 19:33:28 NuttyBunny: how long you've been waiting so far? Jul 31 19:33:50 leiru: some of the first to submit have received answers Jul 31 19:33:55 * haeffb is still waiting Jul 31 19:34:07 leiru: Since the 7th. officially more than the 15 business days Jul 31 19:34:14 PatrickC: look this: http://robert.zenappstudios.com/canvas.html Jul 31 19:34:17 and we were among the first Jul 31 19:34:22 experimented with html5 canvas Jul 31 19:34:30 cursor up/down for directions Jul 31 19:34:44 uh Jul 31 19:34:58 I was one of the first Jul 31 19:35:04 got my reply yesterday Jul 31 19:35:07 i asked about further informations with my two accounts this friday :| Jul 31 19:35:36 leiru: I emailed under 1 hour after the program started Jul 31 19:35:41 got a response yesterday Jul 31 19:35:58 hmm Jul 31 19:36:01 from adela? Jul 31 19:36:08 Julie Jul 31 19:36:15 maybe they are all in vacations Jul 31 19:36:33 she was working from home yesterday Jul 31 19:36:45 I'm a brown belt + get the 10% loyalty Jul 31 19:36:58 are there excel sheets again to fill out? Jul 31 19:37:13 not sure yet Jul 31 19:37:17 I get that next week Jul 31 19:37:19 this* Jul 31 19:37:48 all we did was deduct I'm gonna get a loaner first Jul 31 19:37:55 and now I'm probably gonna just buy :) Jul 31 19:38:24 heh.. turns out that my Virtual Grid issue is fixed in REDACTED... how about that?.. another reason to delay my app a few more days :D Jul 31 19:41:01 first thing I'm gonna do when I get my touchpad -» meta doctor it Jul 31 19:45:14 anyone with a touchpad in here??? Jul 31 19:45:43 why??? Jul 31 19:46:09 I have a question for them Jul 31 19:46:14 regarding profiles Jul 31 19:46:32 no, why the meta doctoring Jul 31 19:46:57 ext3fs :) Jul 31 19:47:07 ubuntu chrot FTW! Jul 31 19:48:05 hmm.. can you doctor the emu... Jul 31 19:48:19 you don't need meta doctor Jul 31 19:48:23 * NuttyBunny slaps PatrickC Jul 31 19:48:32 NuttyBunny: huh? Jul 31 19:48:32 you can resize the partitions Jul 31 19:48:39 oh.. umm.. yeah.. Jul 31 19:48:43 I've done that before Jul 31 19:48:48 lost the commands :P Jul 31 19:51:55 AAAARGHHH!! Emu doesn't create the directory when downloading a file!!! that's it, I'm done with the download service for creating a directory (which I shouldn't had used for that). node.js, here I go again :P Jul 31 19:52:16 brb Jul 31 19:56:41 bbl Jul 31 20:07:37 hey, what did I miss? Jul 31 20:08:32 Everything! IT ALL HAPPENED JUST NOW!!! Jul 31 20:08:40 I can't believe it!!!! Jul 31 20:09:18 how could NuttyBunny have missed it?! Jul 31 20:09:30 lol Jul 31 20:09:34 sh*t!! nooooo!!! Jul 31 20:09:39 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 dies Jul 31 20:09:45 lol Jul 31 20:09:46 hehehe Jul 31 20:11:24 i'm talking with a Sprint rep who is trying to troubleshoot some local tower issues and he's asking me to go to the Phone Preferences menu and do "Update Network Settings", problem is i have a Pre- with webOS 2.1. will i able to do what he wants? I don't see that option anywhere and don't really want to let slip that i'm running 2.1 Jul 31 20:11:45 nope, you're hosed Jul 31 20:11:55 bollocks Jul 31 20:12:12 i guess i can doctor back to 1.4.5 Jul 31 20:12:52 of course, I could be wrong, but I think that going to 2.x removes the ability to to PRL updates and such Jul 31 20:18:32 aaaaaaaaargh again!!! So much for the famous "Gorilla Glass". A week near the beach, 3 small scratches near the gesture area. Bah :@ Jul 31 20:18:48 d'awwww Jul 31 20:19:29 I won't turn the screen off again Jul 31 20:49:53 well, sprint has no idea what the problem is, that's reassuring Jul 31 20:55:16 * PatrickC wanders in Jul 31 21:00:43 huzzaa Jul 31 21:00:55 the power button on my dev Pre2 is now broken too Jul 31 21:01:41 hey phoque_uni Jul 31 21:01:52 phoque_uni: how long since you got it? Jul 31 21:02:14 PatrickC, two months maybe Jul 31 21:02:30 email your dev rep and ask about a warranty replacement Jul 31 21:02:38 yeah, I will Jul 31 21:05:14 ok Jul 31 21:05:29 * PatrickC <3 's CloudMemos Jul 31 21:05:37 its a really good app... :) Jul 31 21:06:34 anyone with a touchpad in here? Jul 31 21:28:57 cloudmemos ? Jul 31 21:29:07 Could Memos* Jul 31 21:30:16 I got it via a promo code Jul 31 21:36:03 PatrickC, with Tide you can write memos and save them to box.net :D Jul 31 21:36:13 Tide? Jul 31 21:36:35 PatrickC, the editor im making Jul 31 21:36:36 I don't have a tp yet.. but do have a question for someone who has one :) //cc twbbas Jul 31 21:36:43 ah cool! Jul 31 21:36:47 PatrickC: What's up? Jul 31 21:36:50 you didn't like my name ideas :) Jul 31 21:37:04 twbbas: if I pair my pre- w/ my touchpad, do my apps share? Jul 31 21:37:12 well sugardave pointed out that Tide backwards is Edit Jul 31 21:37:13 if you use the same profile, yes Jul 31 21:37:17 so i think that name takes the cake Jul 31 21:37:34 PuffTheMagic: Haha I didn't even notice that. Sweet name! Jul 31 21:37:51 awesome! didn't notice that either lol Jul 31 21:37:55 twbbas: ok, I thought so Jul 31 21:38:21 fxspec06: ping Jul 31 21:39:46 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Tide Jul 31 21:40:27 TouchPad IDE ;) Jul 31 21:42:10 Haha, that's even more awesome Jul 31 21:42:22 TIDE = TouchPad IDE or EDIT backwards Jul 31 21:42:27 perfect name Jul 31 21:42:32 tide looks really cool. Jul 31 21:43:16 its getting there Jul 31 21:43:40 if I don't have a touchpad, is there a way to look at the ratings and comments on my app in the catalog? Jul 31 21:43:45 can't wait to get my tp this week Jul 31 21:44:25 * NuttyBunny will receive PatrickC's TP while he's not at home Jul 31 21:45:16 yeah.. right.. lol Jul 31 21:45:36 lemme dream Jul 31 21:45:45 ok :) Jul 31 21:48:39 nohorse: I know there's a website out there that shows reviews of the catalog's apps Jul 31 21:48:51 nohorse: It was really hard for my to find last year but I'll look real quick Jul 31 21:48:55 my -> me Jul 31 21:49:49 nohorse: I actually remembered it! Look at http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.zone303.pricecloud/ Jul 31 21:52:36 http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.nuttybunny.subnetcalculator/ Jul 31 21:52:38 :) Jul 31 21:55:26 lol nice Jul 31 21:56:09 NuttyBunny: Lol @ feb 22nd review :D Jul 31 21:56:59 hehehe... a little help over there ;) Jul 31 21:59:53 Anyone using F15C? This is SO fast. Jul 31 22:00:49 it doesn't run on the emu :P Jul 31 22:01:00 (There he goes again, complaining) Jul 31 22:01:01 ;) Jul 31 22:03:36 IGNTNUNLMTD: What's that? Jul 31 22:04:30 twbbas: new kernel for TP Jul 31 22:04:34 1.5GHz iirc Jul 31 22:04:58 :O! Jul 31 22:05:52 yep Jul 31 22:06:05 I don't have a tp yet to test it on.. this week.. hopefully :D Jul 31 22:07:07 * PuffTheMagic passes PatrickC some cheese Jul 31 22:07:35 * NuttyBunny waits for PatrickC's TP to burn ;) Jul 31 22:07:58 PuffTheMagic: thanks, that'll hold me over till it arrives :) Jul 31 22:08:22 UGH! Jul 31 22:08:41 * twbbas doesn't think he should install any kernels on his TP Jul 31 22:09:06 It's not *my* device :) Jul 31 22:09:41 lol Jul 31 22:09:50 * PatrickC will def. install it ;) Jul 31 22:10:26 I *almost* have Villo chat working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 31 22:10:55 And I'm going backwards!!!: There was an error saving: Error: EACCES, Permission denied '/media/internal/photofun/photofun-2011-07-31-03-08-53.png' Jul 31 22:12:49 twbbas, NuttyBunny, fxspec06: check yo inboxes Jul 31 22:14:18 PatrickC: Yeah, I saw last night Jul 31 22:14:24 new one Jul 31 22:14:25 The text boxes are looking good! Jul 31 22:14:30 oh ok Jul 31 22:14:34 new one.. more features Jul 31 22:20:31 any node experts? Jul 31 22:20:40 is there any reason I need to make a service to use node? Jul 31 22:21:14 as far as I know if you want to use node it has to be in the form of a service Jul 31 22:23:58 if you want to get it in the app catalog, yes Jul 31 22:24:36 I guess you could do a PDK app (not hybrid) which just runs a shell script which runs node. Jul 31 22:25:06 rwhitby, 90% of Tide is node not as a service :/ Jul 31 22:26:10 hmm Jul 31 22:26:49 there is no way I could make it all a service Jul 31 22:28:41 i could understand making a service to be standalone, but requiring one for use in a app is lame-o Jul 31 22:31:08 does this look right? http://pastebin.com/YwXi3jd6 Jul 31 22:31:54 * NuttyBunny takes a look... no time to learn mojo... *goes back to photofun node.js service* Jul 31 22:33:25 hey all, I'm trying to get the MojoSDK running on fedora 15 (as docuemnted on webos-internals), and all goes well until I try and run the navacom post install script (start and stop aren't found, lines 33/36), any suggestions? Jul 31 22:34:18 debian utils Jul 31 22:36:36 on fedora? Jul 31 22:37:19 *sigh* ... https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/js-services/creating-hello-world-service.html says that I can start my service by going to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services and running run-js-service com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta.service but I only get "Invalid service path com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta.service. Exiting."... ideas? :( Jul 31 22:40:52 twbbas: new kernel Jul 31 22:46:34 NuttyBunny: use a full path as the argument Jul 31 22:47:02 mmm.. I tried with ./blabla.service .. trying full path Jul 31 22:47:32 genius! Thanks! :D I assumed the dot would work Jul 31 22:47:36 VILLO CHAT IS WORKING!! Jul 31 22:47:41 thanks fxspec06 for the help Jul 31 22:48:38 now my app has some functionality :) Jul 31 22:49:34 ok.. quick question.. if I call a showAlertDialog with a swapScene .. all my app does is swapScene Jul 31 22:49:42 it doesn't show the alertDialog Jul 31 22:51:58 I would like to have both.. Jul 31 22:54:14 you probably did something wrong.. Jul 31 22:54:17 paste it Jul 31 22:54:19 http://pastebin.com/XtqEVP8j Jul 31 22:54:34 ... Jul 31 22:54:39 what? Jul 31 22:54:45 you need to call the swap scene once the user has picked a choice Jul 31 22:55:14 there you show the dialog, and swap the scene not caring if a choice has been made in the milliseconds Jul 31 22:55:22 so I need a case with my label, and then tell my case what to do? Jul 31 22:55:56 sooo look up the docs for alertDialog. find out the onPick or whatever method is and in that handler swap the scene Jul 31 22:56:31 and sorry, that was rude of me to assume you did something wrong ;) Jul 31 22:57:54 lol Jul 31 23:00:52 I think I found it Jul 31 23:01:40 nope.. lemme paste again Jul 31 23:02:06 http://pastebin.com/q6Jsbq0i Jul 31 23:06:09 PatrickC: Got your email Jul 31 23:06:37 twbbas: cool Jul 31 23:06:38 bbl Jul 31 23:07:13 aww he doesn't want to test it Jul 31 23:13:56 I should have permissions to write inside my directory if I got it created with the download manager.. Jul 31 23:13:58 * NuttyBunny rants Jul 31 23:23:25 * NuttyBunny hops around :D Jul 31 23:27:27 NuttyBunny: I was wondering the same thing of how to save a downloaded file into my app's directory. Jul 31 23:27:49 If you figure it out, let me know :D Otherwise I'm gonna have to download the files to a "hidden" folder in the media/internal/ directory Jul 31 23:29:19 twbbas: It won't work on the newer emu. You can download the files and create the directory, but the node.js service isn't being able to write there :@ Jul 31 23:30:06 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!! Jul 31 23:30:15 * NuttyBunny hops around once more Jul 31 23:30:21 * NuttyBunny crashes into the ceiling Jul 31 23:31:02 now I'm gonna see if I can download something in THAT directory that I just created, or if there's something wrong over there ;) Jul 31 23:36:00 NuttyBunny: Wait, so I can download files into my app's directory using just the downloadservice? Jul 31 23:36:16 NuttyBunny: Or can I only create the folder? Jul 31 23:36:54 twbbas: I don't know if you *can* exactly to your app directory, but you can create a directory in /media/internal, and download whatever you like there Jul 31 23:37:14 NuttyBunny: Yeah, that's what I have it doing right now. I was just curious if you could do it to your app directory. Jul 31 23:38:00 twbbas: dunno, if we asked rwhitby he would tell us to check the jailer (which I checked, but I don't remember the info) ;) Jul 31 23:40:27 I see it mounted Jul 31 23:40:42 * NuttyBunny fiddles with the directories.. Jul 31 23:40:47 NuttyBunny: btw, do you know off the top of your head how to create a hidden folder in the media/internal/? I know by naming it with a . makes it hidden from webOS but I want it to be hidden from Windows, for example. Jul 31 23:41:42 twbbas: somehow you have to set the "hidden" FAT attribute to the file, which, I don't know how to :) Jul 31 23:42:17 Yeah, was just curious. I've done some quick searching on how to do it but nothing too deep. Now I know to look for "hidden FAT attribute" :D Jul 31 23:44:49 it didn't create the directory under the app directory, I assume it's read only :( Jul 31 23:45:16 Yeah, makes sense but I'd still like the ability to mess with *my own* app directory. Jul 31 23:46:02 now I need to... ah, yes, find the camera shutter sound Jul 31 23:46:04 It might also be there to prevent your app from downloading new .js files to avoid the app review process. Jul 31 23:46:08 haha nice Jul 31 23:46:30 you already saw that it plays the whee sound, didn't you? Jul 31 23:46:42 Yup! Jul 31 23:47:51 Excellent, there it is, it's a system sound... "shutter.pcm" Jul 31 23:50:25 twbbas: you could still use a js file in the media internal directory Jul 31 23:52:12 true :) Jul 31 23:52:45 (new Function(// some giant responseText))() Jul 31 23:55:50 or use eval ;) Jul 31 23:56:00 eval is evil :P Jul 31 23:59:17 There, it works!!! :D http://twitpic.com/5z2dxq Aug 01 00:02:09 nice Aug 01 00:02:24 And it saves the pictures in their own album: http://twitpic.com/5z2fgd Aug 01 00:02:56 Now I just need to add the menu and help screen and publish it :D Aug 01 00:13:21 NuttyBunny: Nice! Aug 01 00:15:45 phew.. it feels great, from an idea to a full app in just more than a month, on my free time.. And with everything I learned, the photo editing/drawing app will be a breeze (of course, I know there are at least 3 guys working on something similar, I don't care)... and I also will compete in the text editors arena ;) Aug 01 00:19:46 :/ Aug 01 00:25:34 It will be a standard text editor, I think there's one already. Perhaps it won't even sync remotely. It's just for fun :) It will use the rich text fields Aug 01 00:32:46 PuffTheMagic: Tide can only be a homebrew app, right? (With the whole app packaging/running stuff) Or will you also release an app cat version without that feature? Aug 01 00:33:47 those features are way down the road Aug 01 00:34:04 but yes i plan on app cat and homebrew releases with different features Aug 01 00:41:54 NuttyBunny, why! Aug 01 00:42:27 PuffTheMagic: Remember, I need 10 apps ;) blame HP/Palm Aug 01 00:42:32 the RichText control is currently kinda messed up Aug 01 00:42:49 I might as well release 20 ebooks apps and make them count... bah Aug 01 00:42:55 NuttyBunny, ++ Aug 01 00:42:57 do that Aug 01 00:43:17 haeffb: really?? there you go PuffTheMagic, my app will fail miserably ;) Aug 01 00:43:20 i spent 2 years on wIRC and that doesnt even go towards my count :( Aug 01 00:43:36 why? it's ON the catalog! Aug 01 00:43:43 it won't fail...it'll just not be as simple as it should be Aug 01 00:43:49 under oil's account not mine Aug 01 00:44:04 i dont think hp will allow us to share credit Aug 01 00:44:06 Didn't they cover their butt and say that the app number limits were kind of… Up to their discretion? Aug 01 00:44:09 but i dont really know how they do it Aug 01 00:44:39 PuffTheMagic: I assume they should share the credit... but I assume many things and I'm often wrong :'( Aug 01 00:44:46 PuffTheMagic: I blame oil Aug 01 00:45:03 PuffTheMagic didn't want taxes Aug 01 00:45:31 oil, dont need to add anything to this, im not blaming you Aug 01 00:46:05 PuffTheMagic: I blame oil Aug 01 00:46:21 well, yeah, but not for that... :) Aug 01 00:46:22 LOL ... I DO remember that discussion!! :D Aug 01 00:46:23 ^^ haeffb said that not me Aug 01 00:46:29 i know Aug 01 00:46:41 and i was pointing out why it is like it is Aug 01 00:47:01 PuffTheMagic: well I don't get credit for Spaz HD and I did lots of the work too Aug 01 00:47:11 soooo, everyone gets screwed in the end, eh. Aug 01 00:47:24 Tibfib, thats lame Aug 01 00:47:26 Palm: "Don't work on open source apps together" Aug 01 00:47:45 I take my screwing up front. Less worry about when it'll happen. Aug 01 00:48:04 haeffb: you are a wise wise man Aug 01 00:48:08 maybe wIRC TP will be a new app id, we will just have to give promo codes to the 5 people that bought the app cat version Aug 01 00:48:25 haha, I bought it, and I don't even use wIRC Aug 01 00:48:34 * haeffb will pay for it again Aug 01 00:48:34 (not a fan of mobile IRC) Aug 01 00:48:46 yeah, I think you will be fine with a new id Aug 01 00:48:47 it's a new app Aug 01 00:48:55 Tibfib, the TP version will be a whole new experience Aug 01 00:49:05 if you were just making old wIRC resize properly, I may have a small issue with buying it again Aug 01 00:49:09