**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 01 02:59:57 2011
Aug 01 03:07:14 <PatrickC> QUESTION TIME! if I got paid in Euros from Palm.. what do I do to get them to USD?
Aug 01 03:08:22 <rwhitby> you can convert them in paypal
Aug 01 03:08:41 <PatrickC> ah cool. thx  rwhitby
Aug 01 03:08:59 <PatrickC> rwhitby: do any webos internals apps use showAlertDialog?
Aug 01 03:09:07 <PatrickC> I don't remember seeing any
Aug 01 03:09:52 <rwhitby> PatrickC: git.webos-internals.org - I don't have a reverse-index of all our code in my head.  Google is better at that than my brain is.
Aug 01 03:11:01 <PatrickC> ok thanks
Aug 01 03:11:22 <PatrickC> I'm just having trouble with mine...
Aug 01 03:12:24 <rwhitby> how many times have you read the documentation and source code of that function?
Aug 01 03:12:39 <rwhitby> and looked where it is used in sample code
Aug 01 03:14:02 <fxspec06> anyone with a touchpad want to test a beta of wildn video poker v 0.8.1 with touchpad support
Aug 01 03:14:27 <fxspec06> *villo is disabled in this version
Aug 01 03:14:32 <PatrickC> rwhitby: I get it to work fine. but I can't get it to work *and* push a scene when the button is pushed.
Aug 01 03:14:41 <fxspec06> day #2 of 14 hours of work and it looks killer
Aug 01 03:16:41 <PatrickC> hey fxspec06
Aug 01 03:17:04 <fxspec06> --------------------------------------------------------------
Aug 01 03:17:06 <fxspec06> hi
Aug 01 03:17:08 <fxspec06> sry that was my cat
Aug 01 03:17:16 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 03:17:22 <fxspec06> i'm surprised she didn't ctrl+alt+delete
Aug 01 03:17:36 <PatrickC> or alt+f4
Aug 01 03:18:21 <PatrickC> fxspec06: what do you think of the main scene in my app?
Aug 01 03:19:02 <fxspec06> no idea wat it looks like
Aug 01 03:19:15 <fxspec06> i haven't relaly thought about anything in last few days tbh
Aug 01 03:19:25 <fxspec06> just like, in another dimension
Aug 01 03:19:43 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 03:19:56 <PatrickC> the "wild'n poker" dimension
Aug 01 03:23:40 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 01 03:23:42 <fxspec06> the
Aug 01 03:23:44 <fxspec06> coding
Aug 01 03:23:45 <fxspec06> dimension
Aug 01 03:23:55 <fxspec06> who here has a #touchpad?
Aug 01 03:24:29 <appsotutely> ummm ... I'll be receiving my loaner on Tuesday ...
Aug 01 03:25:04 <fxspec06> hmm
Aug 01 03:25:13 <fxspec06> i want someone to test this, like right now lol
Aug 01 03:31:09 <akanster> appsotutely: pm?
Aug 01 03:31:20 <natemcintyre> hoping to see the OTA come out here soon
Aug 01 03:35:40 <fxspec06> natemcintyre: you wanna try a game out
Aug 01 03:38:51 <natemcintyre> if I had more free time on my hands I would be more than willing to beta test
Aug 01 03:38:59 <natemcintyre> but alas, my time is pretty much all spent till this fall
Aug 01 03:46:31 <fxspec06> how many people are buying touchpad apps
Aug 01 03:47:53 <natemcintyre> good question
Aug 01 03:48:00 <natemcintyre> the real issue righ tnow is a lack of apps worth buying
Aug 01 03:48:03 <natemcintyre> in my opinion
Aug 01 03:50:37 <natemcintyre> worth noting that I have a GalaxyTab, TouchPad and iPad in my house between my wife and and we don't really buy many apps in general
Aug 01 03:51:45 <rwatkins> well in your case then it makes sense to buy a subscription to a product that has free apps cross platform.
Aug 01 03:51:54 <rwatkins> netfix.  spotify.  rdio.  etc.
Aug 01 04:00:22 <PatrickC> rwatkins: when did netflix get a webos app?
Aug 01 04:00:31 <summatusmentis> they didn't
Aug 01 04:00:46 <PatrickC> didn't think so
Aug 01 04:03:26 <rwatkins> point being if you have alot of devices you likely wnat to buy a cross platform service, not 5 different versions of the same app.
Aug 01 04:03:37 <PatrickC> true
Aug 01 04:03:56 <rwatkins> there is also no webOS rdio app.
Aug 01 04:03:57 <PatrickC> my app will be cross platform eventually
Aug 01 04:04:14 <PatrickC> never heard of rdio
Aug 01 04:04:22 <summatusmentis> music streaming
Aug 01 04:04:22 <PatrickC> I thought you misspelled Radio ;!
Aug 01 04:04:25 <PatrickC> ;) *
Aug 01 04:04:44 <rwatkins> much like people misspell 'flicker' all the time.
Aug 01 04:05:26 <rwatkins> bug ... not squashed, but worked around. app submit now!
Aug 01 04:06:03 <summatusmentis> what's your app?
Aug 01 04:06:11 <PatrickC> Your Radio
Aug 01 04:06:17 <PatrickC> currently in alpha
Aug 01 04:06:34 <rwatkins> well more accurately app update.  Paper Mache
Aug 01 04:06:43 <summatusmentis> ah, right
Aug 01 04:07:05 <summatusmentis> I'm intrigued by instapaper, I'm not sure I'd use it enough to justify the subscription
Aug 01 04:07:24 <rwatkins> I think its the kinda service you use all the time or you .. dont.
Aug 01 04:07:53 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: the only webOS radio that lets *you* decide what you play!
Aug 01 04:08:11 <PatrickC> rwatkins: instapaper is like a read-it-later?
Aug 01 04:08:21 <rwatkins> PatrickC: yes, pretty much.
Aug 01 04:08:35 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: a radio streaming app?
Aug 01 04:08:59 <PatrickC> that's just 1 part of it, but yes
Aug 01 04:09:07 <summatusmentis> ah
Aug 01 04:09:09 <PatrickC> I can email you the entire features list..
Aug 01 04:09:21 <summatusmentis> meh, I don't listen to radio that frequently
Aug 01 04:09:26 <PatrickC> or PM you a private paste.. don't want it getting to out ;)
Aug 01 04:09:38 <PatrickC> this is a lot more then radio.. a lot more
Aug 01 04:09:57 <oil> oh noes, leaked feature list...
Aug 01 04:10:36 <summatusmentis> i'mma use my leet enyo skills and whip a competitor app up over night
Aug 01 04:11:33 <oil> ideas are cheap, implementation is whats hard
Aug 01 04:11:44 <PatrickC> oil: I've had tons of compliments on the idea, there is *no* webos app that has the features I'm doing, and I don't think any other platforms have many apps that come close..
Aug 01 04:12:12 <PatrickC> oil: true.. and I'm gonna take a few months to make sure everything is done right :)
Aug 01 04:12:56 <fxspec06> my computer loves that
Aug 01 04:13:14 <PatrickC> what?
Aug 01 04:13:22 <fxspec06> reboot
Aug 01 04:13:27 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 04:13:43 <fxspec06> it's like taking vitamins
Aug 01 04:13:47 <fxspec06> or taking a shower
Aug 01 04:15:51 <PatrickC> follow @YourRadio_webOS for updates.
Aug 01 04:16:08 <oil> lol
Aug 01 04:18:01 <PatrickC> what?
Aug 01 04:31:00 <fxspec06> good night peeple
Aug 01 04:31:19 * fxspec06 fx_nuhnite
Aug 01 04:31:42 <fx_nuhnite> can't even type
Aug 01 04:32:33 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 01 04:33:57 <rwatkins> Just Type -> Can't Type
Aug 01 04:35:42 <PatrickC> new patch
Aug 01 04:39:19 <PatrickC> ugh.. stupid errors...
Aug 01 04:40:17 * PatrickC found out it was an EBUAK
Aug 01 05:00:00 <PuffTheMagic> does anyone know how i can get the height of the inner/client area of a group in enyo?
Aug 01 05:03:46 <PatrickC> summatusmentis, twbbas_, fx_nuhnite: check inbox
Aug 01 05:04:49 <PatrickC> how do I tell a textfield to only be alphanumeric?
Aug 01 05:05:43 <rwatkins> type="number"
Aug 01 05:05:55 <rwatkins> but not supported by webOS I think
Aug 01 05:05:59 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 01 05:06:07 <PatrickC> I can't have things like underscores
Aug 01 05:06:24 <rwatkins> hook into onkeypress and filter out the characters you dont want
Aug 01 05:06:25 <PatrickC> it returns an error.. which took me like 30 min to find :/
Aug 01 05:07:52 <PatrickC> anyone good with HTML5 audio?
Aug 01 05:08:38 <PatrickC> Mojo*
Aug 01 05:08:57 <rwatkins> PuffTheMagic:  you can get the properties of the node, but not the control I think
Aug 01 05:09:32 <PuffTheMagic> i want to put a list inside a group so I need to know the height of the inner area :/
Aug 01 05:09:36 <PatrickC> I just need to set the value for the src of my audio object via a textbox+button press
Aug 01 05:09:38 <rwatkins> ex enyo.dom.getComputedStyleValue(this.$.mycontrol.getNode(), "height") I think.
Aug 01 05:10:19 <PuffTheMagic> hmm thanks
Aug 01 05:11:17 <rwatkins> or just go for the elements clientHeight or offsetHeight depending on what you want
Aug 01 05:12:06 <PatrickC> I think I have enough tonight.. I'm off to bed
Aug 01 05:12:09 <PatrickC> night all
Aug 01 05:57:42 * DougReeder waves hello
Aug 01 08:20:21 <nmcintyre> exit
Aug 01 09:11:05 <cxreg> so they've already changed the story on enyo in 2.2?
Aug 01 09:11:26 <hotdp> changed..
Aug 01 09:11:33 <hotdp> i don't know about that
Aug 01 09:11:51 <cxreg> 2 weeks ago they said "use mojo on the pre3"
Aug 01 09:19:16 <hotdp> Did they say that Enyo was not comming?
Aug 01 09:26:01 <cxreg> that's how i read it
Aug 01 09:26:04 <cxreg> well
Aug 01 09:26:13 <cxreg> chuq said in the forums that they were working on it
Aug 01 09:26:20 <cxreg> but publically they said to plan on mojo
Aug 01 09:28:42 <hotdp> Yer
Aug 01 09:30:42 <rwhitby> cxreg: actually, HP has said nothing.  You're reading a story from a third-party site, right?
Aug 01 09:34:28 <hotdp> rwhitby: thats alo my point
Aug 01 09:34:31 <hotdp> *also
Aug 01 09:54:41 <cxreg> rwhitby: precentral, are they wrong?
Aug 01 10:02:30 <rwhitby> cxreg: how would you know if they are right or wrong without violating an NDA ?
Aug 01 10:03:20 <rwhitby> and how would you know if the thing they are using is actually what is going to be released?
Aug 01 10:03:46 <rwhitby> and how would you know whether the plans are not going to change before release, since such plans have not been announced?
Aug 01 10:04:05 <rwhitby> so you can't really say "they" (assuming you meant HP) have changed their story, can you?
Aug 01 11:00:42 <Sorcim> Hi, I have a question regarding enyo DbInstaller kind. Does installing works on tablet emulator? For example I can't install db from CrudList sample code...
Aug 01 11:51:46 <hotdp> rwhitby: can you fell that oc?
Aug 01 12:11:20 <rwhitby> hotdp: fell
Aug 01 12:11:22 <rwhitby> ?
Aug 01 12:12:37 <hotdp> Can you notice the higher speed
Aug 01 12:13:51 <rwhitby> I never noticed the lower speed
Aug 01 12:22:51 <hotdp> So you don't fell the device is faster?
Aug 01 12:22:57 <hotdp> after the oc
Aug 01 12:23:07 <hotdp> What i am thinking about is if its "worth" it
Aug 01 12:23:20 <hotdp> I have never OC'ed my Pre 2 because i don't fell like i have the need
Aug 01 12:24:01 <rwhitby> the custom kernels are not just about overclocking
Aug 01 12:24:42 <hotdp> I know
Aug 01 12:25:44 <summatusmentis> cxreg: there's also a difference between "plan on using mojo in the near future" or "use mojo now when coding for the pre3" and "enyo is never coming to the pre3"
Aug 01 12:26:07 <summatusmentis> the latter is not something HP has ever said, so far as I've seen
Aug 01 12:29:09 <gaurav_> is there anyway to obtain information about a webOS device CPU without too much hassle?
Aug 01 12:29:18 <gaurav_> by hassle I mean Preware
Aug 01 12:39:20 <rwhitby> Preware is a hassle?
Aug 01 12:41:22 <gaurav_> no but for this situation I am in it is
Aug 01 12:44:48 <rwhitby> an app catalog app does not have access to that information
Aug 01 12:46:57 <gaurav_> if I can access developer mode, what's the easiest way of figuring out what CPU is inside?
Aug 01 12:48:02 <rwhitby> cat /proc/cpuinfo
Aug 01 12:48:40 <rwhitby> which webOS device is it?
Aug 01 12:59:33 <fx_nuhnite> rwhitby: good work on the TP OC =]
Aug 01 13:00:00 <rwhitby> fx_nuhnite: original kernel code is by unixPsycho
Aug 01 13:00:21 <fxspec06> i'll send him a tweet
Aug 01 13:00:36 <fxspec06> i bet many ppl will be pleased
Aug 01 13:05:42 <fxspec06> i'm also reading from richard kerris that the t=ouchpad update is starting to roll out
Aug 01 13:06:00 <fxspec06> from 2 mins ago
Aug 01 13:06:15 <fxspec06> @myDrpC @swdathp @mpt45 @webosdev @hp @palm @joshuatopolsky It's in the pipeline… starting to roll out this morning.
Aug 01 13:07:51 <hotdp> anyone here who have recived the hp dev rebate cupons? (from dev belts)
Aug 01 13:09:36 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: I guess August 1 is close enough to "end of the month" that I won't get all up in arms about HP not backing up their word :-P
Aug 01 13:10:30 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 01 13:10:59 <summatusmentis> I hope I can get it by the end of the day
Aug 01 13:11:01 <fxspec06> it's about as close as you can get
Aug 01 13:11:13 <fxspec06> HP has big servers
Aug 01 13:11:38 <fxspec06> summatusmentis - wanna try a preview touchpad IPK of wild'n
Aug 01 13:12:22 <hotdp> no devs with belts here?
Aug 01 13:14:14 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: I don't really have a lot of time to be doing beta testing, sorry
Aug 01 13:16:41 <fxspec06> k
Aug 01 13:17:02 <fxspec06> lol i kno how that works
Aug 01 13:18:14 <jjhhff> hi
Aug 01 13:18:16 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 01 13:18:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06
Aug 01 13:18:27 <fxspec06> what's up
Aug 01 13:18:45 <jjhhff> anybody know how to handle touch in enyo
Aug 01 13:18:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> runnin' @ 1.5 GHz; the good life... you?
Aug 01 13:18:58 <jjhhff> what are the touch api's
Aug 01 13:19:59 <fxspec06> lol nice
Aug 01 13:20:05 <fxspec06> hey would u wanna test an ipk on touchpad for me
Aug 01 13:21:20 <jjhhff> sure snt it
Aug 01 13:21:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> whatcha got?
Aug 01 13:22:19 <fxspec06> wildn video poker
Aug 01 13:22:37 <fxspec06> the game works 100% full scaling, same ipk
Aug 01 13:22:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wow
Aug 01 13:22:46 <fxspec06> villo is disabled in this version. still have to do that
Aug 01 13:22:50 <fxspec06> 28 hours, 2 days
Aug 01 13:22:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I don't play poker, but I'll see if it runs for sure
Aug 01 13:23:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HOW* it runs
Aug 01 13:23:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good success with the emu so far?
Aug 01 13:24:39 <jjhhff> i need some help on touch api's can someone please let know
Aug 01 13:25:12 <jjhhff> i want to hide and show header and footer on touch of screen
Aug 01 13:25:15 <fxspec06> for the most part
Aug 01 13:25:24 <fxspec06> yeah
Aug 01 13:30:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> looks like 3.0.2 is pushing today
Aug 01 13:47:38 <HattCzech_work> morning, all
Aug 01 13:48:26 <DougReeder> Is there a methodical procedure to test how fast a given device can be overclocked without problems?
Aug 01 13:51:22 <PuffTheMagic> DougReeder, baby steps
Aug 01 13:52:34 <DougReeder> Well, yes.
Aug 01 13:53:44 <DougReeder> The processors in the cell radio TouchPad will be the same as the Wi-Fi, but factory tested to work properly at higher clock speeds.
Aug 01 13:54:47 <DougReeder> So, the processors in Wi-Fi TPs won't all run properly at 1.5GHz, but some will.
Aug 01 13:56:02 <PuffTheMagic> i think the speed bump comes from a voltage change, not a bus speed change
Aug 01 13:56:11 <PuffTheMagic> so other chips shouldnt be affected
Aug 01 13:56:16 <PuffTheMagic> is my guess
Aug 01 13:57:16 <DougReeder> So, I'm wondering how to tell the processor in a given TP can be clocked faster than 1.2GHz without errors, other than clocking it faster and seeing if the OS crashes.
Aug 01 13:57:51 <PuffTheMagic> well, you try it and you see if you have issues
Aug 01 13:57:54 <PuffTheMagic> thats how OCing works
Aug 01 13:57:58 <PuffTheMagic> no guarantees
Aug 01 13:58:14 <PuffTheMagic> unless u were at the plant and saw which bin a chip came out of
Aug 01 13:59:50 <hotdp> :)
Aug 01 14:15:27 <PatrickC> anyone generate their own help scenes?
Aug 01 14:15:39 <PatrickC> or do you use the pre-generated ones?
Aug 01 14:23:16 <PatrickC> fxspec06: ping
Aug 01 14:37:09 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 01 14:37:12 <fxspec06> should be ready
Aug 01 14:37:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yo
Aug 01 14:37:16 <fxspec06> leme dbl chek
Aug 01 14:37:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> excellent
Aug 01 14:37:27 <fxspec06> also
Aug 01 14:37:36 <fxspec06> should work on any device
Aug 01 14:43:59 <PatrickC> fxspec06: get the update?
Aug 01 14:45:19 <Jake_M> Has anyone actually gotten the update?
Aug 01 14:45:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope, tapping the refresh button vigorously
Aug 01 14:46:08 <Jake_M> well don't burn it out...
Aug 01 14:46:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 01 14:47:26 <PatrickC> hey Jake_M!
Aug 01 14:47:38 <Jake_M> sup
Aug 01 14:47:51 <PatrickC> who monitors the contact@webosworld ?
Aug 01 14:48:01 <Jake_M> noah
Aug 01 14:48:17 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 01 14:48:32 <PatrickC> was just wondering if my emails were getting thru (sending them my beta)
Aug 01 14:49:36 <PatrickC> the mojo is really coming along.. all I need is more docs..
Aug 01 14:50:33 <Jake_M> oh I wouldn't know unless I asked him and he only checks it during lunch
Aug 01 14:51:05 <PatrickC> that's fine
Aug 01 14:51:22 <PatrickC> and any eta on the new docs? (primarily for app states/settings)
Aug 01 14:52:01 <Jake_M> uh...
Aug 01 14:52:22 <Jake_M> Well I've seen them if that makes you feel better. I helped write some of it
Aug 01 14:52:42 <PatrickC> ok cool
Aug 01 14:52:51 <PatrickC> that means they are moving along :)
Aug 01 14:53:03 <PatrickC> just shoot me an email when they are up. thanks
Aug 01 14:53:12 <PatrickC> g2g mow the lawn. cya all
Aug 01 14:53:14 <Jake_M> worddd
Aug 01 14:56:40 <Jake_M> aaaannyway I was just checking to see if anyone had the update. if you see any new unannounced features, tell webosworld on twitter we'll add it to the post...
Aug 01 15:14:46 <sugardave> 1 month and 20 days until Fall....woohoo!
Aug 01 15:14:55 <sugardave> it should only get to 107 here today
Aug 01 15:18:41 <akanster> only
Aug 01 15:36:09 <DougReeder> PatrickC I use a custom Help scene, based off some sample code that was available 2 years ago.
Aug 01 15:41:46 <fxspec06> anyonekno how to make touchpad mojo w/ uirevision: 2 portrait mode
Aug 01 15:55:17 <HattCzech_work> morning, chuqui
Aug 01 15:55:32 <chuqui> good morning, all!
Aug 01 15:55:39 <chuqui> HattCzech_work: hey! happy monday.
Aug 01 15:56:02 <HattCzech_work> it's been good so far :)
Aug 01 15:56:07 <HattCzech_work> hopefully it stays that way
Aug 01 15:57:47 <halfhalo-work> muuug.  mondays.
Aug 01 15:59:07 <sugardave> whee, I found my Treo wall charger!
Aug 01 15:59:27 <sugardave> now I only have "the heat is too dman high" excuse for not geocaching
Aug 01 16:03:44 <DougReeder> I dislike resizing bitmaps for a different pixel size. Bring back less-than-pleasant memories of programming for Palm OS.
Aug 01 16:05:14 <DougReeder> chuqui was there ever a Palm OS device that used 1.5 scaling? Or was that only in some Windows Mobile emulator?
Aug 01 16:06:08 <chuqui> I don't remember one.
Aug 01 16:07:10 <PatrickC> DougReeder: ping
Aug 01 16:08:57 <DougReeder> PatrickC the sample Help scene code I used is not worth imitating - just write a scene of your own, or use the standard.
Aug 01 16:09:09 <PatrickC> ok..
Aug 01 16:09:24 <PatrickC> I was wanting to make my own.. just for the experience..
Aug 01 16:12:17 <PatrickC> hey Jack87
Aug 01 16:16:12 <PatrickC> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/wanna-get-paid-to-tell-the-world-how-awesome-webos-is/
Aug 01 16:23:30 <fxspec06> do anyone know anything about touchpad mojo orientation
Aug 01 16:24:32 <PatrickC> like the view window?
Aug 01 16:24:42 <PatrickC> or using uirevision: 2
Aug 01 16:24:48 <fxspec06> latter
Aug 01 16:24:56 <PatrickC> no clue
Aug 01 16:25:00 <PatrickC> try it on emu?
Aug 01 16:25:06 <fxspec06> not the same as the device
Aug 01 16:25:07 <fxspec06> tested
Aug 01 16:25:09 <fxspec06> and not the same
Aug 01 16:25:15 <PatrickC> hmm.. sugardave could help :)
Aug 01 16:25:27 <fxspec06> he can feel free to pitch in any time
Aug 01 16:25:54 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.StageController.setWindowOrientation(orientation)
Aug 01 16:25:59 <sugardave> right, up, down, left, or free
Aug 01 16:26:01 <PatrickC> chuqui: thanks for poking the dev rel team. got a response on saturday. should be getting my device sometime this week
Aug 01 16:26:16 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: I'M A BROWN BELT!
Aug 01 16:26:26 <chuqui> PatrickC:  np. they're working on this stuff.
Aug 01 16:26:32 <chuqui> I'm a plaid belt, myself.
Aug 01 16:26:39 <fxspec06> k i mayb screwed somethn up =) i'll try
Aug 01 16:26:49 * halfhalo-work is a no belt.
Aug 01 16:26:53 <PatrickC> she (Julie) said I should be getting an email early this week
Aug 01 16:26:59 <PatrickC> halfhalo: you work for them...
Aug 01 16:27:03 <sugardave> my belt is tearing, I need a new one
Aug 01 16:27:04 <PatrickC> you don't need a belt :P
Aug 01 16:27:17 <sugardave> I have one that's brown on one side, and black on the other
Aug 01 16:27:22 <fxspec06> actually sugardave, this may be an issue w/ the TP emulator.
Aug 01 16:27:24 <PatrickC> ooo
Aug 01 16:27:30 <PatrickC> can I have the black side?
Aug 01 16:27:30 <fxspec06> because i already use that code to set to left
Aug 01 16:27:39 <fxspec06> and it shows portrait in emulator
Aug 01 16:27:42 <fxspec06> but left on device
Aug 01 16:27:58 <sugardave> if you hit f8 (I think) does it look orientated properly?
Aug 01 16:28:06 <PatrickC> fxspec06: don't all app swing free on the TP?
Aug 01 16:28:38 <fxspec06> nope it doesn't
Aug 01 16:28:53 <sugardave> or f7/f9 I think are the landscape ones
Aug 01 16:29:08 <PatrickC> brb gotta find my dog
Aug 01 16:29:21 <fxspec06> leme see if free makes any difference
Aug 01 16:29:43 <sugardave> free should flip it to whichever way you turn it
Aug 01 16:31:51 <fxspec06> interesting. when it's set to free it shows in landscape, but i can't rotate it at all
Aug 01 16:32:16 <fxspec06> my tester, IGNTNUNLMTD, has a version where it's set to 'right', and his shows in landscape
Aug 01 16:32:35 <sugardave> that's correct
Aug 01 16:32:42 <fxspec06> right
Aug 01 16:32:54 <fxspec06> but on the emulator, when it's set to 'right', it's in portrait
Aug 01 16:33:04 <fxspec06> o.O
Aug 01 16:33:17 <sugardave> maybe you should post it in the dev forum
Aug 01 16:33:20 <fxspec06> k
Aug 01 16:35:18 <RagingMind> *rant*  F**K you, HP.  Apparently you only have to "make it right" to people that happen to have ~$500 in disposable income in one arbitrary month out of the year.  And this makes "special" sense during an especially hard recession...  *sigh*
Aug 01 16:35:59 <ianbeck> chuqui or Adora_: Kerris says 3.0.2 is coming today. Are fat apps with 3.0.2 bugfixes going to be approved today, as well?
Aug 01 16:36:18 <CTLAdvance> Hey Patrick C, nice
Aug 01 16:36:27 <CTLAdvance> I just got my device today
Aug 01 16:36:38 <chuqui> ianbeck:  I don't think adora is here, and I hvaen't heard
Aug 01 16:37:14 <ianbeck> chuqui: :-(
Aug 01 16:39:57 <cxreg> pad says: "your device is up to date".  lies! :-)
Aug 01 16:40:46 <cxreg> i get a lot of "Web login required" from google.  bluh.
Aug 01 16:42:43 <CTLAdvance> Whats the website to check your palm profile
Aug 01 16:42:49 <CTLAdvance> palm.com/profile?
Aug 01 16:46:49 <CTLAdvance> SAWEET... looks like phonegap 1.0 was released today... now if only I could get to their site
Aug 01 16:49:48 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: awesome. loaner/discount?
Aug 01 16:50:22 <CTLAdvance> Loaner for now, I have the blackbelt discount but I will buy the Touchpad+ when it comes to ATT
Aug 01 16:50:28 <CTLAdvance> if they offer that
Aug 01 16:50:33 <PatrickC> you are a blackbelt?!
Aug 01 16:50:40 <PatrickC> I'll buy my tp thru you ;)
Aug 01 16:50:44 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 01 16:50:52 <CTLAdvance> I give you brown belt discount
Aug 01 16:50:53 <PatrickC> you got loyalty discount too?
Aug 01 16:51:02 <CTLAdvance> I dont think so
Aug 01 16:51:07 * PatrickC does :)
Aug 01 16:51:20 <PatrickC> you should ask
Aug 01 16:51:36 <CTLAdvance> I hope that this phonegap 1.0 supports enyo apps
Aug 01 16:52:05 <PatrickC> with the loyalty discount, it makes it $239.60 :D
Aug 01 16:52:13 <ianbeck> CTLAdvance: don't think it does; was looking at the website over the weekend and it only mentioned Mojo
Aug 01 16:52:29 <CTLAdvance> Yeah Mojo is all they supported before
Aug 01 16:52:38 * PatrickC needs to learn phonegap
Aug 01 16:52:44 <fxspec06> phone gap supports moj;o?!!?!?!??!
Aug 01 16:52:46 <fxspec06> oh yeah
Aug 01 16:52:56 <fxspec06> woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo that's awesome
Aug 01 16:52:58 <CTLAdvance> I may have to modify their javascript as needed.... I guess
Aug 01 16:52:58 <fxspec06> for me
Aug 01 16:53:15 <PatrickC> fxspec06: make Wild'n cross platform :)
Aug 01 16:53:20 <PatrickC> and use Villo too :P
Aug 01 16:53:40 <CTLAdvance> I didnt want to have to do that...
Aug 01 16:53:59 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: can I take current mojo code, plug it into phonegap, and have it spit out an android app?
Aug 01 16:54:06 <CTLAdvance> no
Aug 01 16:54:12 <PatrickC> :/
Aug 01 16:54:19 <CTLAdvance> you need to take phonegap and build your app using that
Aug 01 16:54:24 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 01 16:54:31 <PatrickC> phonegap is its own language?
Aug 01 16:54:32 <CTLAdvance> then you can take your app and get 7 platform versions of it
Aug 01 16:54:44 <PatrickC> I'll have to look into that
Aug 01 16:54:48 <CTLAdvance> IOS, Android, WebOS, Blackberry, WP7... etc
Aug 01 16:54:54 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 01 16:55:10 <PatrickC> does it look... native on iOS/Android/webOS/etc. ?
Aug 01 16:55:19 <CTLAdvance> phonegap is a layer or toolkit that standardizes everything so you can deploy across multiple environments
Aug 01 16:55:40 <CTLAdvance> it also has a container for things like IOS and android which is basically a webView
Aug 01 16:55:46 <PatrickC> yet maintain the platforms look and feel? that's what I need..
Aug 01 16:55:52 <CTLAdvance> well no
Aug 01 16:55:54 <fxspec06> no
Aug 01 16:55:57 <CTLAdvance> maintain the apps look and feel
Aug 01 16:55:58 <fxspec06> that's impossible patrick
Aug 01 16:56:00 <CTLAdvance> less fragmentation
Aug 01 16:56:09 <CTLAdvance> One app, multiple platforms
Aug 01 16:56:15 <CTLAdvance> there is less fragmentation of your apps
Aug 01 16:56:18 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: I'll have to look into it
Aug 01 16:56:18 <fxspec06> what u ask for is impossible
Aug 01 16:56:21 <CTLAdvance> and its unique to your design
Aug 01 16:56:26 <fxspec06> yeah exactly
Aug 01 16:56:37 <PatrickC> the people I'm making this app for want it to look native on all platforms
Aug 01 16:56:44 <fxspec06> PatrickC: if you want to be good, stop being dependent on enyo and learn JS
Aug 01 16:56:49 <CTLAdvance> And unlike titanium, phonegap doesnt charge to use its services
Aug 01 16:57:07 <PatrickC> so I guess the only way to achieve that is to learn the OS's code?
Aug 01 16:57:22 <PatrickC> fxspec06: I've tried that.. not very easy for me..
Aug 01 16:57:23 <CTLAdvance> well thats up to your customer, I would prefer to have one app be exactly the same on all platforms
Aug 01 16:57:27 <CTLAdvance> so no matter what your using
Aug 01 16:57:31 <CTLAdvance> its consistent
Aug 01 16:57:35 <PatrickC> I'll do it and show them
Aug 01 16:57:39 <PatrickC> see what they say
Aug 01 16:57:44 <CTLAdvance> and also, this makes maintenance costs go down as there is one code base
Aug 01 16:58:06 <PatrickC> I am doing it for free for them
Aug 01 16:58:16 <CTLAdvance> phonegap also allows you to submit the app and they will package it for you so you done need to install 13 android sdks into your system etc
Aug 01 16:58:18 <PatrickC> is phonegap.com down for anyone else?
Aug 01 16:58:31 <CTLAdvance> your first mistake is doing an app for free
Aug 01 16:58:33 <PatrickC> is that service free?
Aug 01 16:58:40 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: its my old church..
Aug 01 16:58:55 <CTLAdvance> I see, you accept donations right? ;-)
Aug 01 16:59:03 <CTLAdvance> phonegap is free
Aug 01 16:59:05 <PatrickC> for me or the church? :)
Aug 01 16:59:18 <PatrickC> is the packaging service free?
Aug 01 16:59:21 <ianbeck> PatrickC: doesn't matter who it's for; you're in for a world of hurt if you're working for free and you let the client set unreasonable expectations like that
Aug 01 16:59:23 <CTLAdvance> but the containers and js is open source
Aug 01 16:59:30 <CTLAdvance> so if you modify you must redistribute
Aug 01 17:02:25 <PatrickC> ugh.. I can't access phongap.com :/
Aug 01 17:03:42 <CTLAdvance> nope its down
Aug 01 17:03:56 <CTLAdvance> I think with 1.0 release that their site has gone down
Aug 01 17:04:14 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 01 17:09:07 <CTLAdvance> they are probably being sued by titanium
Aug 01 17:09:11 <CTLAdvance> :)
Aug 01 17:09:14 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 17:09:16 <CTLAdvance> They charge fior everything
Aug 01 17:09:25 <PatrickC> I used to use titanium (or tried to anyway)
Aug 01 17:09:48 <PatrickC> titanium was free for me
Aug 01 17:11:19 <CTLAdvance> titanium basic is free
Aug 01 17:11:29 <PatrickC> that's what I had
Aug 01 17:11:42 <CTLAdvance> to get the advanced stuff you need to pay
Aug 01 17:12:01 <PatrickC> but not with phonegap?
Aug 01 17:12:42 <CTLAdvance> What happens when you restore your touchpad from a profile used on a phone
Aug 01 17:12:45 <CTLAdvance> pre/pre2
Aug 01 17:13:30 <rwatkins_> you get a bunch of non-TP optimized apps on your TP.
Aug 01 17:14:04 <ianbeck> Though that happened to me even though I chose not restore the profile info; downloaded all the apps anyway
Aug 01 17:14:28 <CTLAdvance> lol ok
Aug 01 17:15:48 <CTLAdvance> yeah they are all installing now :(
Aug 01 17:26:19 <PatrickC> how would I change this -   this.bang.src = Mojo.appPath + "/audio/bang.wav";
Aug 01 17:38:58 <PatrickC> what am I doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/0KqJMfEK //cc fxspec06
Aug 01 17:45:52 * NuttyBunny wanders in
Aug 01 17:46:01 <fxspec06> PatrickC: everything
Aug 01 17:46:11 <PatrickC> ...
Aug 01 17:46:12 <fxspec06> i'm going to lay down
Aug 01 17:46:15 <fxspec06> i'll look at before
Aug 01 17:46:24 <fxspec06> my head is splitting
Aug 01 17:46:32 <fxspec06> oh that's my code
Aug 01 17:46:38 <fxspec06> is it?
Aug 01 17:46:51 <NuttyBunny> so, it's fxspec06 fault?
Aug 01 17:47:07 <fxspec06> no it's def not. coz the code i sent him works perfect if he copied it
Aug 01 17:47:14 <fxspec06> but he changed things, so idk wut he did
Aug 01 17:47:16 <fxspec06> =)
Aug 01 17:47:41 <fxspec06> NuttyBunny: u got a TP?
Aug 01 17:48:14 <PatrickC> fxspec06: I used the code from the dev site
Aug 01 17:48:20 * NuttyBunny has NO TouchPad, and gets angry every hour he doesn't receive response from Palm
Aug 01 17:48:21 <PatrickC> and used your sound to test
Aug 01 17:48:35 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: bug chuqui
Aug 01 17:48:39 <PatrickC> ;)
Aug 01 17:48:47 <fxspec06> you should use my code
Aug 01 17:48:49 <fxspec06> it's a lot easier
Aug 01 17:48:54 <fxspec06> k gonna go nap, head is splitting
Aug 01 17:49:51 <chuqui> PatrickC:  gee, thanks.
Aug 01 17:49:59 <NuttyBunny> chuqui: Oh, Great Master of all the Palm Dev Relations, can I get a TouchPad?
Aug 01 17:50:01 <PatrickC> chuqui: no problem
Aug 01 17:50:03 <PatrickC> anytime
Aug 01 17:50:15 <PatrickC> hahaha
Aug 01 17:50:21 <chuqui> NuttyBunny:  just wander down to bestbuy, tkae a credit card.
Aug 01 17:50:38 <NuttyBunny> They don't sell it here :P   Mexico, remember? ;)
Aug 01 17:50:56 <PatrickC> fxspec06: your code is confusing!
Aug 01 17:51:41 <NuttyBunny> chuqui: http://zeemaps.com/webOS_Developers   <-- Zoom into Mexico :D
Aug 01 17:52:19 <chuqui> NuttyBunny:  well, get a a plane...
Aug 01 17:52:19 * PatrickC goes to corner...
Aug 01 17:52:32 <PatrickC> I didn't set up my handlecommand properly :/
Aug 01 17:52:33 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 17:53:18 <NuttyBunny> mmm... dead end... let's do this differently...
Aug 01 17:53:57 <PatrickC> ah. Adora just left...
Aug 01 17:54:04 <PatrickC> you could have bugged her :)
Aug 01 17:54:56 <NuttyBunny> chuqui: Oh, Great Master of all the Palm Dev Relations Team and Friend of all Developers, how can I get AT LEAST my belt assigned and a discount coupon? (the pun is getting old, but my pants keep falling)
Aug 01 17:55:17 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Yeah, she must have read my plea for help
Aug 01 17:55:25 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 17:55:47 <leiru> hi
Aug 01 17:56:03 <NuttyBunny> hi leiru
Aug 01 17:56:54 <PatrickC> ok.. how do I take this http://pastebin.com/MvJGC9yE and set the src of that to my textbox?
Aug 01 17:57:09 * NuttyBunny mumbles about the number of apps... I should've worked in the messaging plugins instead and organized a donation instead of creating the best photo fun app for the TP ;)
Aug 01 17:57:28 <PatrickC> yes
Aug 01 17:57:37 <PatrickC> you should make a msg'ing plugins app,
Aug 01 17:57:41 <PatrickC> right. now.
Aug 01 17:57:54 <leiru> NuttyBunny: why?
Aug 01 17:58:25 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: I need a touchpad for testing
Aug 01 17:58:28 <NuttyBunny> get me one
Aug 01 17:58:30 <NuttyBunny> now
Aug 01 17:58:30 <hotdp> Evning
Aug 01 17:58:31 <NuttyBunny> ;)
Aug 01 17:58:43 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: when I get mine
Aug 01 17:58:57 <PatrickC> then you can work for Awesome Apps
Aug 01 17:59:00 <linuxjacques> has anyone successfully disabled vsync in a SDL/GLES2 app on the touchpad? I can't get fps > 60
Aug 01 17:59:27 <NuttyBunny> linuxjacques: use the spare cpu cycles instead :)
Aug 01 17:59:38 <leiru> NuttyBunny: did you get a response today, or why you are mumbling about the # of apps?
Aug 01 17:59:54 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny is always mumbling
Aug 01 18:00:16 <linuxjacques> NuttyBunny: this is a GL benchmark
Aug 01 18:00:49 <linuxjacques> I want to use it to find the most efficient ways of doing things on the Adreno220
Aug 01 18:00:59 <NuttyBunny> leiru: I'm mumbling because I started to try to roll out several apps (1 in the cat, 1 almost finished, 3 in the quere).  I should've gone the homebrew path and help everyone else instead of doing the apps :)
Aug 01 18:01:11 <NuttyBunny> linuxjacques: valid reason :)
Aug 01 18:01:30 <linuxjacques> probably the only valid reason, but still :-)
Aug 01 18:01:31 <PatrickC>  ok.. how do I take this http://pastebin.com/MvJGC9yE and set the src of that to my textbox?
Aug 01 18:02:15 <cxreg> i keep reloading the system update app with bated breath
Aug 01 18:02:18 <cxreg> but alas
Aug 01 18:05:01 <PatrickC> I can't figure out how to set the src of my audio object...
Aug 01 18:10:23 <PatrickC> now my button/textbox aren't set up properly.. http://pastebin.com/ppciJfXr
Aug 01 18:14:23 <PatrickC> Adora_!!
Aug 01 18:14:30 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: she's baaaaack
Aug 01 18:14:50 <NuttyBunny> Hey Adora_!!!
Aug 01 18:14:59 <PatrickC> Adora_: run!
Aug 01 18:16:54 <NuttyBunny> Are those crickets I'm hearing??
Aug 01 18:18:26 * NuttyBunny goes back to his app. No help = No TouchPad = No Messaging Plugins Testing
Aug 01 18:18:28 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 18:18:50 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: NOOOO!! you can still fix the plugins for the phone! :)
Aug 01 18:20:05 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: I need 5 apps in the catalog for Brown Belt, I only have 1+photofun=2, I still need 3. I can't afford a TP, but most of my apps use the webkit version that comes with 3.x
Aug 01 18:20:37 * PatrickC thinks NuttyBunny should work for Awesome Apps as a coder.. :)
Aug 01 18:20:55 <PatrickC> or even support staff ;)
Aug 01 18:22:27 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, I thought I was, but then you started switching providers and I got lost in the loop :)
Aug 01 18:22:36 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 01 18:22:44 <PatrickC> still with Suplify
Aug 01 18:23:27 <PatrickC> if you work for Awesome Apps, then you can get one at brown belt + loyalty discount price.. right chuqui?
Aug 01 18:24:32 <PatrickC> or Adora_
Aug 01 18:26:05 * NuttyBunny feels like he's playing Ancient Frog (soundwise)
Aug 01 18:26:13 <chuqui> PatrickC:  sssh. it's a secret.
Aug 01 18:26:14 <CTLAdvance> Hey Chuqui
Aug 01 18:26:31 <PatrickC> chuqui: but allowed? :)
Aug 01 18:26:50 <chuqui> CTLAdvance:  hey, howdee.
Aug 01 18:26:51 <CTLAdvance> Awesome apps should be able to buy 3 or 6 devices per quarter
Aug 01 18:26:54 <CTLAdvance> Howdy
Aug 01 18:26:59 <CTLAdvance> Hows it going for you today
Aug 01 18:27:04 <chuqui> someone tell PatrickC  I'm going to shun him for  a while for telling secrets.
Aug 01 18:27:09 <CTLAdvance> Destroying ye old inbox?
Aug 01 18:27:40 <CTLAdvance> PatrickC - Chuqui said to STFU and he is now ignoring you
Aug 01 18:27:48 * twbbas is gonna break the screen on his TP where the refresh icon is for system updates
Aug 01 18:27:51 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 18:28:27 <CTLAdvance> Chuqui - Do you have any plans to use drop box for anything that we shouldnt talk about?
Aug 01 18:29:00 * NuttyBunny remembers the Dropbox issues last year ;)
Aug 01 18:29:26 <CTLAdvance> actually I probably shouldnt even mention dropbox here....
Aug 01 18:30:12 * PatrickC holds off the lawyers
Aug 01 18:30:22 <twbbas> PatrickC: Get on Your Radio Villo chat :D
Aug 01 18:30:29 <PatrickC> ok.. :)
Aug 01 18:30:42 <leiru> wtf is awesome apps?
Aug 01 18:30:53 <PatrickC> my company
Aug 01 18:32:15 * twbbas wants Villo chat in his app even more now
Aug 01 18:32:40 <chuqui> CTLAdvance:  we killed the dropbox months ago. not in any plans. no reason to be connected to it.
Aug 01 18:32:43 <PatrickC> twbbas: easy.. I can send you a test app for you to look at
Aug 01 18:32:53 <PatrickC> now its box.net!
Aug 01 18:33:01 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: Radio Villo chat is working since yesterday
Aug 01 18:33:04 <leiru> chuqui: app cat is down. germany. device: pre 2
Aug 01 18:33:21 <leiru> i am getting &nbsp; as apptitles
Aug 01 18:33:22 <PatrickC> twbbas: you notice the 2 buttons below the chat? :)
Aug 01 18:33:24 <leiru> empty images
Aug 01 18:33:26 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: Yup. I saw right when he sent the email but he signed off right before I could ask him to test it with me, yesterday :D
Aug 01 18:33:37 <NuttyBunny> leiru: close it, open it again
Aug 01 18:33:38 <leiru> and a price  of 0.2 € at the start/front page
Aug 01 18:33:40 <twbbas> PatrickC: I didn't see any buttons? I might have an older version of the app though
Aug 01 18:33:56 <NuttyBunny> leiru: I get that from time to time
Aug 01 18:34:00 <leiru> NuttyBunny: wheew!
Aug 01 18:34:04 <twbbas> PatrickC: I did notice there was a blank space between the chat lines and the textbox
Aug 01 18:34:07 <leiru> NuttyBunny: you just repaired it! ;)
Aug 01 18:34:08 <chuqui> leiru:  I'll look into it.
Aug 01 18:34:17 <PatrickC> twbbas: yeah.. on the list to be fixed
Aug 01 18:34:24 <PatrickC> twbbas: what version are you running?
Aug 01 18:35:01 <twbbas> 0.0.1?
Aug 01 18:35:12 <PatrickC> should be 0.0.2
Aug 01 18:35:22 <PatrickC> check your email, or I can resend it again
Aug 01 18:35:25 <twbbas> PatrickC: Yeah. I'll look through my email for the new one
Aug 01 18:35:30 <leiru> NuttyBunny: it now appears after searching for "awesome apps"
Aug 01 18:35:43 <leiru> grml
Aug 01 18:36:12 <PatrickC> leiru: what appears?
Aug 01 18:36:39 <twbbas> PatrickC: Installed but I still don't see any buttons below chat.
Aug 01 18:36:42 <PatrickC> twbbas: 2 new features in 0.0.2 and UI improvments
Aug 01 18:36:46 <PatrickC> hmm.. really?
Aug 01 18:36:55 <twbbas> I see chat lines and then textbox
Aug 01 18:36:56 <leiru> chuqui: restarting the cat fixed the front page, searching for words (upper textbox) gives same result and is reproducable
Aug 01 18:37:02 <PatrickC> ooo
Aug 01 18:37:09 <twbbas> PatrickC: There's still the blank space
Aug 01 18:37:15 <PatrickC> on the page with the chat button (that pushes the chat scene)
Aug 01 18:37:21 <PatrickC> there is 2 new buttons
Aug 01 18:37:26 <PatrickC> not *in* the hat scene
Aug 01 18:37:36 <twbbas> PatrickC: Oh profile/friends? I added you as a friend and the profile thing is sweet
Aug 01 18:37:42 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 01 18:37:44 <NuttyBunny> leiru, chuqui : Mexico cat is working fine :)
Aug 01 18:37:50 <twbbas> PatrickC: I also loved the add-friend scene. Well designed.
Aug 01 18:38:07 * PatrickC might have used others code to make it look that good :)
Aug 01 18:38:13 <NuttyBunny> The good thing about the Mexico catalog is that no one messes with it ;)  LOL
Aug 01 18:38:20 <PatrickC> hahahahaha
Aug 01 18:39:04 <leiru> PatrickC: http://www.abload.de/img/findapps_2011-01-08_20vp6h.png
Aug 01 18:39:07 <PatrickC> twbbas: should have 0.0.3 tonight
Aug 01 18:39:22 <PatrickC> leiru: ah
Aug 01 18:39:32 <PatrickC> I don't have any apps out under Awesome Apps yet
Aug 01 18:39:47 <PatrickC> they are all under Patrick's App Creation (I was 14.. lol)
Aug 01 18:41:09 <PatrickC> I need someone with a Pre-/Pre+
Aug 01 18:42:10 <NuttyBunny> OMG.. someone is rotting here.. I can't even concentrate :@
Aug 01 18:42:13 <PatrickC> don't have mine close
Aug 01 18:42:25 <NuttyBunny> Pre+, 2.1 here
Aug 01 18:43:04 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: try villo chat on it
Aug 01 18:43:16 <PatrickC> tell me if there's a blank spot under the scroller
Aug 01 18:43:46 <NuttyBunny> ok, hold on
Aug 01 18:43:54 <PatrickC> thx
Aug 01 18:46:10 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: never mind
Aug 01 18:46:12 <PatrickC> fixed it
Aug 01 18:46:16 <NuttyBunny> boo :P
Aug 01 18:46:26 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 18:46:32 <PatrickC> sending new ipk out.. now..
Aug 01 18:47:45 <NuttyBunny> you should put them somewhere for downloading, I don't sync email on the Plus
Aug 01 18:49:25 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: I will, once it gets to a beta state
Aug 01 18:49:44 <PatrickC> right now this is alpha. and only the select few can play ;)
Aug 01 18:49:44 <twbbas> Tibfib's NomNomNom really lets me get through my feeds faster than GReader's site.
Aug 01 18:49:53 <Tibfib> :)
Aug 01 18:50:07 <halfhalo-work> ls
Aug 01 18:50:09 <halfhalo-work> :/
Aug 01 18:50:11 <PatrickC> twbbas, NuttyBunny, fxspec06, summatusmentis: check email
Aug 01 18:52:13 <twbbas> PatrickC: Does Villo support a "buffer" for the chat? (Showing the past few lines when you log into chat)
Aug 01 18:52:40 <PatrickC> not sure
Aug 01 18:52:42 <twbbas> PatrickC: Does it also support showing the list of users currently connected to the chat?
Aug 01 18:52:53 <PatrickC> don't think so
Aug 01 18:52:56 <twbbas> Those 2 things would be really great to add, if it supports it
Aug 01 18:53:22 <twbbas> I may just add that on my own when I add chat to my app
Aug 01 18:53:37 <PatrickC> fxspec06 added timestamps on his own
Aug 01 18:53:43 <PatrickC> so I don't see why it couldnt
Aug 01 18:55:44 <twbbas> Tibfib: One suggestion for NomNomNom. Color coding of the headers for each "card" based on which feed they come from. Maybe have user configurable colors. I like to be able to see what feed it comes from at the same time I read the title.
Aug 01 18:55:52 <PatrickC> twbbas: do you have to log in every time you enter the app?
Aug 01 18:55:58 <Tibfib> twbbas: interesting idea
Aug 01 18:56:08 <twbbas> PatrickC: Let me test :D
Aug 01 18:56:13 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 01 18:56:36 <twbbas> PatrickC: Does the chat "display" the lines you type even if you're not logged in?
Aug 01 18:56:46 <PatrickC> 1 second
Aug 01 18:57:00 <twbbas> PatrickC: It looks like I didn't have to sign in. The profile/friends scenes loaded the correct info
Aug 01 18:57:00 <PatrickC> did you see me say hey?
Aug 01 18:57:03 <twbbas> yup
Aug 01 18:57:42 <PatrickC> awesome!
Aug 01 18:58:11 <PatrickC> twbbas: should I add timestamps?
Aug 01 18:58:54 <twbbas> PatrickC: I'd like it
Aug 01 18:59:04 <PatrickC> ok. I'll add it to my list :)
Aug 01 18:59:16 <twbbas> email address?
Aug 01 18:59:45 <twbbas> PatrickC ^
Aug 01 19:00:04 <PatrickC> see PM
Aug 01 19:01:07 <Tibfib> twbbas: I think the design itself of NomNomNom is going to change a bit
Aug 01 19:01:13 <PatrickC> haha that's awesome
Aug 01 19:01:18 <twbbas> Tibfib: I like the cards
Aug 01 19:01:28 <Tibfib> twbbas: only visually I think
Aug 01 19:01:30 <twbbas> viewing 3 cards at a time on is nice
Aug 01 19:01:33 <Tibfib> not much on experience
Aug 01 19:01:37 <twbbas> sounds good
Aug 01 19:01:54 <twbbas> Tibfib: I just noticed the date in the card header! Nice!
Aug 01 19:02:04 <PatrickC> twbbas: should I send to that email? or the business one?
Aug 01 19:02:16 <twbbas> business
Aug 01 19:02:58 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 01 19:03:12 <PatrickC> http://www.funny.com/_fc/wm640/0/3/fn.CJ47O.jpg hahahahahaha
Aug 01 19:03:22 <NuttyBunny> Help popup: Done, Prefs popup and working: Done. Just need to trim it and I'll be set ;)
Aug 01 19:03:45 <PatrickC> cool :)
Aug 01 19:03:52 <PatrickC> just in time for my review ;)
Aug 01 19:04:51 <twbbas> PatrickC: I'll have the Differences 1.2.0 (I think that's the right version #) ready soon. You should review it once you get your TP :D
Aug 01 19:05:17 <PatrickC> twbbas: will do, send me an email
Aug 01 19:05:23 <PatrickC> I'll add it to my list :)
Aug 01 19:05:31 <twbbas> PatrickC: I'll do it once the update is out and about
Aug 01 19:05:36 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 01 19:06:06 <NuttyBunny> Yep, I'll release mine with 3.0.2 as well, it just works the way it's intended :)
Aug 01 19:06:19 * NuttyBunny wonders about opacity and 3.0.2......
Aug 01 19:06:36 <twbbas> :o
Aug 01 19:07:17 <NuttyBunny> there's only one way to find out :D
Aug 01 19:07:58 <twbbas> Sweet! Get paid to promote webOS and also get a free TP & Veer!
Aug 01 19:08:18 <twbbas> too bad I'm not energetic enough in public for it to work for me ;)
Aug 01 19:08:28 <NuttyBunny> opacity+rotation is still broken. bah
Aug 01 19:08:39 <PatrickC> http://twitpic.com/5zgses umm... :D:D:D:D:D
Aug 01 19:09:12 <twbbas> wtf 2GHz
Aug 01 19:09:18 <PatrickC> I KNOW!! :D
Aug 01 19:09:28 <twbbas> that's almost faster than my laptop
Aug 01 19:09:30 <twbbas> :o
Aug 01 19:09:48 <RagingMind> what does govnah report if you run it in the emulator?
Aug 01 19:09:53 <NuttyBunny> LOL... that's faster than all my laptops!!
Aug 01 19:09:55 <PatrickC> that is faster then my laptop! :P
Aug 01 19:10:20 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Even my Pixi is faster than your Laptop ;)
Aug 01 19:10:24 <twbbas> Tibfib: FYI, links don't work in the feeds when I click on them.
Aug 01 19:10:32 <Tibfib> hrmm?
Aug 01 19:10:33 <twbbas> haha
Aug 01 19:10:41 <Tibfib> oh, I may know why
Aug 01 19:10:44 <twbbas> Tibfib: It's blue but when I click on it nothing happens
Aug 01 19:10:57 <NuttyBunny> brb
Aug 01 19:11:10 <twbbas> Tibfib: Just ran into the no-toolbar bug again with the browser button. Did you get my email a few days ago about it?
Aug 01 19:11:20 <Tibfib> yeah I got it
Aug 01 19:11:28 <Tibfib> I haven't been able to replicate
Aug 01 19:11:35 <twbbas> I've noticed it's only happened to me with webOS Roundup posts
Aug 01 19:11:43 <twbbas> but, that's also the only posts I really use the browser button for
Aug 01 19:11:47 <Tibfib> that shouldn't matter
Aug 01 19:11:48 <twbbas> so...
Aug 01 19:11:53 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 01 19:12:00 <Tibfib> I just need a touchpad to test stuff out
Aug 01 19:12:05 <Tibfib> I can't do much
Aug 01 19:12:09 <Tibfib> for those type of bugs
Aug 01 19:12:13 <twbbas> Yep
Aug 01 19:13:03 <PatrickC> twbbas: what do you think of the UI change in Your Radio?
Aug 01 19:13:26 <twbbas> I like it
Aug 01 19:13:37 <Tibfib> I HATE IT
Aug 01 19:13:52 <twbbas> O.o
Aug 01 19:14:06 * Tibfib wonders how Your Radio works
Aug 01 19:14:12 <twbbas> Tibfib: I'm also having a hard time getting the page to load when I hit the browser icon
Aug 01 19:14:33 <Tibfib> tell your touchpad to stop being stupid
Aug 01 19:14:40 <twbbas> Tibfib: done
Aug 01 19:14:52 <Tibfib> or rather, the programmer
Aug 01 19:15:32 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I can send you Your Radio. it has Full Villo Integration (as far as can be done without further docs)
Aug 01 19:15:47 <Tibfib> is it enyo>
Aug 01 19:15:48 <Tibfib> ?
Aug 01 19:16:02 <PatrickC> umm.. not the one with Villo
Aug 01 19:16:09 <PatrickC> but yes, I have an Enyo version
Aug 01 19:17:02 <PatrickC> villo should be in the enyo version this week. when I get my touchpad
Aug 01 19:17:18 <Tibfib> did you get the coupon?
Aug 01 19:18:00 <PatrickC> should get it today or tomorrow
Aug 01 19:18:21 <Tibfib> key word "should"
Aug 01 19:18:22 <Tibfib> :/
Aug 01 19:18:35 <PatrickC> I was told I would get it early this week
Aug 01 19:18:53 <Tibfib> people say lots of things
Aug 01 19:19:13 <PatrickC> I'm going to get a loaner
Aug 01 19:19:16 <PatrickC> then buy it
Aug 01 19:19:18 <Tibfib> I hope that comes true, but you shouldn't always take what people say as 100% for sure.
Aug 01 19:19:49 <PatrickC> "Hi Patrick,
Aug 01 19:19:53 <twbbas> PatrickC: You're awesome.
Aug 01 19:19:59 <PatrickC> twbbas: why? lol
Aug 01 19:20:10 <twbbas> don't take it for reals :D
Aug 01 19:20:16 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 01 19:30:16 <PatrickC> ugh.. I need someone who knows how to use HTML5 audio...
Aug 01 19:30:43 <twbbas> PatrickC: I know how to play/stop a file.
Aug 01 19:30:55 <twbbas> (in enyo...)
Aug 01 19:31:05 <PatrickC> I need mojo :/
Aug 01 19:31:29 <PatrickC> lets work in timestamps
Aug 01 19:34:50 <Tibfib> html5 audio is the same in enyo and mojo
Aug 01 19:34:51 <Tibfib> ....
Aug 01 19:34:59 <rrix> Is it normal for me to have to reset my password EVERY time I redoctor?
Aug 01 19:35:07 <Tibfib> enyo has an abstracted kind, but it is still the same
Aug 01 19:36:09 <twbbas> rrix: Reset your palm profile password?
Aug 01 19:36:09 <Tibfib> audioObj = new Audio(); audioObj.src = "file.mp3"; audioObj.load(); audioObj.play();
Aug 01 19:36:24 <rrix> Yeah, I just can't log in, either on the phone or on palm.com/profile
Aug 01 19:36:32 <rrix> also, my security question doesn't work :)
Aug 01 19:36:33 <Tibfib> PatrickC: see koto's source. or just google something.
Aug 01 19:36:34 <twbbas> rrix: No, that's not normal.
Aug 01 19:36:51 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I need to the audioObj.src to the source of a textboc
Aug 01 19:37:03 <Tibfib> you can do it
Aug 01 19:37:09 <rrix> twbbas: I figured. It's slightly annoying :\
Aug 01 19:37:19 <Tibfib> get the value of the textbox. set it as the src
Aug 01 19:37:46 <PatrickC> Tibfib:  like this?
Aug 01 19:37:47 <PatrickC> this.url = new Audio();
Aug 01 19:37:54 <Tibfib> no.
Aug 01 19:38:03 <Tibfib> look at what I posted
Aug 01 19:38:35 <PatrickC> the this.urlmodel.value() gets the textbox's value
Aug 01 19:40:08 <rrix> and I'm not getting a recovery password
Aug 01 19:40:10 <rrix> lulz
Aug 01 19:43:08 <leiru> PatrickC: http://www.abload.de/img/findapps_2011-01-08_20vp6h.png
Aug 01 19:43:12 <leiru> oops
Aug 01 19:45:22 <PatrickC> timestamps working
Aug 01 19:45:47 <twbbas> nice one
Aug 01 19:46:05 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 01 19:46:10 <PatrickC> getting ready to send it out
Aug 01 19:46:52 <PatrickC> twbbas: confirm your installed version please
Aug 01 19:47:06 <DougReeder> I return!  It would be nice if webOS was better about switching connections on the fly.
Aug 01 19:47:09 <PatrickC> 0.0.2 or 0.0.3?
Aug 01 19:47:21 <DougReeder> Or does IRC depend on a continuous TCP connection?
Aug 01 19:47:29 <twbbas> 0.0.3 on Pre 2 and same on TP
Aug 01 19:47:48 <PatrickC> ok good
Aug 01 19:47:50 <PatrickC> sending now
Aug 01 19:49:16 <PatrickC> twbbas, summatusmentis, NuttyBunny_Pre2, fxspec06: check inbox
Aug 01 19:49:58 <CTLAdvance> so looks like I still cant make bing the default search engine for just type
Aug 01 19:50:12 <rrix> Best thing: web interface lets you enter a password with spaces, the Pre2 activator doesn't
Aug 01 19:50:54 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: like when you click search, it searches using bing?
Aug 01 19:51:06 <CTLAdvance> Thats what I want
Aug 01 19:51:23 <CTLAdvance> but cant get it to change, and bing isnt in the list
Aug 01 19:51:40 <CTLAdvance> since they use bing maps now, I think this is now considered an epic fail
Aug 01 19:51:46 <CTLAdvance> double face palm
Aug 01 19:52:14 <DougReeder> Clayton Miller, the 10/GUI guy, has some cogent things to say about webOS and OS X 10.7: iuface.net/7y6
Aug 01 19:52:21 <PatrickC> I can fix that CTLAdvance :)
Aug 01 19:53:20 <dcousineau> hey is the bluetooth phone pairing
Aug 01 19:53:22 <dcousineau> with touchpad
Aug 01 19:53:25 <dcousineau> webos phone only
Aug 01 19:53:40 <dcousineau> or like could I pair my insert_blank_company_phone and do phonecalls with touchpad?
Aug 01 19:54:50 <CTLAdvance> is there some way to add them I am unaware of
Aug 01 19:56:05 <PatrickC> via patch
Aug 01 19:57:17 <CTLAdvance> in otherwords you cant
Aug 01 19:57:26 <twbbas> dcousineau: phone pairing works with any phone that uses bluetooth.
Aug 01 19:57:37 <dcousineau> thanks, thought so was confirming
Aug 01 19:57:39 <twbbas> dcousineau: You can only take calls but not receive sms
Aug 01 19:57:46 <twbbas> It acts like a giant bluetooth headset
Aug 01 19:57:54 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: visit bing.com
Aug 01 19:57:56 <CTLAdvance> Can you place calls
Aug 01 19:57:58 <CTLAdvance> I did
Aug 01 19:58:13 <twbbas> CTLAdvance: Yes. It's exactly like a giant bluetooth headset
Aug 01 19:58:21 <CTLAdvance> thats nice
Aug 01 19:58:38 <twbbas> sms only works for webOS 2.2 and above, I believe
Aug 01 19:58:49 <Tibfib> pre2 better get 2.2 asap
Aug 01 19:58:54 <Tibfib> and not a while after pre3 gets it
Aug 01 19:58:57 <twbbas> The veer doesn't even have it
Aug 01 19:59:00 <Tibfib> s/gets it/comes out/
Aug 01 19:59:08 <Tibfib> hah no one cares about the veer
Aug 01 20:00:35 <twbbas> being able to just go down the middle pane in the TP email client and tap each email you want to mark as read is win
Aug 01 20:01:38 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: lets talk over PM
Aug 01 20:02:14 <twbbas> http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/first-ota.72/page-3#post-2051
Aug 01 20:02:26 <twbbas> "Pivot downloads faster" YES
Aug 01 20:02:39 <twbbas> took like a week for my July Pivot to download
Aug 01 20:02:49 <twbbas> and even then only a few pages were downloaded
Aug 01 20:03:52 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 sits on the couch to see how PatrickC breaks CTLAdvance's TouchPad search :D
Aug 01 20:03:59 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 01 20:04:15 <twbbas> don't forget the popcorn
Aug 01 20:04:47 <twbbas> which reminds me, I have yet to eat lunch today
Aug 01 20:04:57 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 shares the popcorn
Aug 01 20:05:04 * PatrickC puts UnifiedDiffCreator away
Aug 01 20:05:30 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny_Pre2: get the email???
Aug 01 20:05:44 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> yep, I'm in
Aug 01 20:07:39 <Tibfib> http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/rebate.html?jumpid=ex_r11694_go_offer&aoid=45400
Aug 01 20:08:19 <twbbas> Tibfib: Ya. You could get the 32GB for $427 up until last night
Aug 01 20:08:34 <twbbas> HP Academy discount, coupon code, and webOS legacy rebate
Aug 01 20:08:35 <Tibfib> yeah saw that
Aug 01 20:08:50 <twbbas> my grandma saw the TP had costco today
Aug 01 20:08:56 <twbbas> she saw the $100 price cut
Aug 01 20:09:10 <twbbas> s/had/at
Aug 01 20:09:26 <twbbas> She's definetly gonna get the 7" version when it comes out to replace her Palm PDA
Aug 01 20:10:37 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: you see the timestamps?
Aug 01 20:11:08 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, yep
Aug 01 20:11:14 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 01 20:11:38 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: ping
Aug 01 20:12:20 <CTLAdvance> PONG
Aug 01 20:12:23 <CTLAdvance> whats up
Aug 01 20:12:54 <PatrickC> I have the phonegap zip downloaded
Aug 01 20:13:06 <PatrickC> what next? their webpage doesn't like my pre2
Aug 01 20:13:23 <Tibfib> you're killing me smalls
Aug 01 20:13:38 <PatrickC> there is no .exe ..
Aug 01 20:13:50 <Tibfib> smh
Aug 01 20:13:59 <PatrickC> so I'm lost, and their site only displays like 1/3 of the content on my phone
Aug 01 20:14:01 <CTLAdvance> no, its a collection of resources
Aug 01 20:14:09 <CTLAdvance> Why no PC?
Aug 01 20:14:19 <PatrickC> PC is 11 years old
Aug 01 20:14:20 <CTLAdvance> (Or mac)
Aug 01 20:14:28 <CTLAdvance> um...
Aug 01 20:14:28 <PatrickC> and has no connection to the internet
Aug 01 20:14:30 <Tibfib> your poitnt?
Aug 01 20:14:35 <Tibfib> why don't you tether
Aug 01 20:14:39 <Tibfib> s/poitnt/point/
Aug 01 20:14:48 <PatrickC> it won't tether
Aug 01 20:15:01 <PatrickC> and I have been told not to update it to allow it to tether
Aug 01 20:15:11 <CTLAdvance> Whys that
Aug 01 20:15:25 <PatrickC> my dads rule.. idk why
Aug 01 20:15:55 <CTLAdvance> probably so he doesnt have to pay for it
Aug 01 20:16:05 <CTLAdvance> Are you on ATT with it
Aug 01 20:16:10 <PatrickC> Sprint
Aug 01 20:16:14 <CTLAdvance> oooohhh
Aug 01 20:16:22 <CTLAdvance> heh your daya is an ass ;-)
Aug 01 20:16:28 <CTLAdvance> dad
Aug 01 20:16:46 <CTLAdvance> joking, though sprint doesnt charge extra
Aug 01 20:16:49 <CTLAdvance> so interesting
Aug 01 20:16:51 <PatrickC> he doesn't want to try and keep it safe from viruses..
Aug 01 20:16:59 <PatrickC> etc.
Aug 01 20:17:02 <CTLAdvance> your phone?
Aug 01 20:17:03 <Tibfib> so he wants as many viruses as possible?
Aug 01 20:17:07 <PatrickC> laptop
Aug 01 20:17:09 <CTLAdvance> ah
Aug 01 20:17:19 <CTLAdvance> so he is to cheap to pay for antivirus correct
Aug 01 20:17:33 <CTLAdvance> ProTip: Microsoft Essentials is very good
Aug 01 20:17:38 <Tibfib> even though if you're not an idiot, you can get along fine with free anti-virus
Aug 01 20:17:43 <PatrickC> its an 11yr old laptop, with 128MB RAM, 688MHz P3 processor, and 15GB HDD
Aug 01 20:17:51 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: we use MSE
Aug 01 20:18:07 <PatrickC> he also doesn't think it would do good on the internet with above specs
Aug 01 20:18:33 <PatrickC> specs are lower then my pixi
Aug 01 20:19:44 <PatrickC> so if I need to dl something, I dl it on the Pre, and transfer it via USB
Aug 01 20:25:30 <CTLAdvance> brb need to restart
Aug 01 20:25:40 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 01 20:26:16 <PatrickC> twbbas: ping
Aug 01 20:26:25 <twbbas> Wudup
Aug 01 20:26:55 <PatrickC> spinner being full screen or just activity button? //cc NuttyBunny_Pre2
Aug 01 20:27:45 <NuttyBunny> just a small spinner in the button
Aug 01 20:28:10 <PatrickC> activity button gotcha
Aug 01 20:28:15 <NuttyBunny> yep, that one
Aug 01 20:28:16 <twbbas> Sounds good
Aug 01 20:28:32 <NuttyBunny> yep, to know that something's going on when you press Login
Aug 01 20:30:42 <sugardave> who is to blame for re-starting the "My Ludicrous Excuses: Latpop" episode?
Aug 01 20:34:17 <akanster> does the map app have cross-launch parameters?
Aug 01 20:34:26 <akanster> TouchPad
Aug 01 20:36:43 <NuttyBunny> bbl,gotta work (on other wifi w/o inet access) :(
Aug 01 20:39:09 <leiru> sugardave: oil! :D
Aug 01 20:39:34 <sugardave> damn him, I'm tired of that story
Aug 01 20:39:38 <rwatkins-4g> akanster: yes.  read the header for MapsApp.js
Aug 01 20:40:00 <leiru> hrhrhr
Aug 01 20:40:07 <akanster> thanks rwatkins-4g
Aug 01 20:40:38 * twbbas wants 4G
Aug 01 20:40:53 <rwatkins-4G> not in the case i'm using it.
Aug 01 20:41:18 <twbbas> AT&T?
Aug 01 20:41:23 <rwatkins-4G> we moved offices at work.  TimeWarner called the day before the move to say "nope, we're not keeping our install date"
Aug 01 20:41:30 <twbbas> :o
Aug 01 20:41:44 <rwatkins-4G> after already delaying us a week.
Aug 01 20:41:45 <sugardave> I get surprisingly good 4G coverage at my house
Aug 01 20:42:03 <rwatkins-4G> whole office is on VZW 4G hotspots.
Aug 01 20:42:13 <sugardave> lame-o
Aug 01 20:42:23 <rwatkins-4G> you dont want 25 people trying to use a single one.
Aug 01 20:42:30 <sugardave> definitely not
Aug 01 20:42:43 <twbbas> wow
Aug 01 20:42:53 <twbbas> 4G is still faster than my home internet though
Aug 01 20:43:00 <twbbas> Heck, my 3G is sometimes faster
Aug 01 20:44:30 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/AshleyEsqueda/status/98130824934862848
Aug 01 20:44:46 <twbbas> She said that all FB apps are big buckets of failure on the mobile nations monday brief
Aug 01 20:45:10 <twbbas> all FB tablet apps*
Aug 01 20:48:57 <akanster> what's the easiest way to indicate something is tappable without making it a button?
Aug 01 20:49:08 <sugardave> charging all my webOS devices....I should probably donate some of these things
Aug 01 20:49:26 <Tibfib> akanster: make it a link
Aug 01 20:49:47 <akanster> blue text with underline?
Aug 01 20:49:51 <Tibfib> yah
Aug 01 20:49:54 <twbbas> akanster: If it's text, yeah
Aug 01 20:49:54 <akanster> feels too much like a webpage
Aug 01 20:50:01 <twbbas> webOS is a webpage!
Aug 01 20:50:05 <Tibfib> sugardave: feel free to send me a TP
Aug 01 20:50:13 <twbbas> sugardave: I'll take a Pre 3
Aug 01 20:50:14 <akanster> yeah but the end user doesnt know that
Aug 01 20:50:22 <Tibfib> they will know what a link is
Aug 01 20:50:28 <twbbas> ^
Aug 01 20:50:30 <akanster> true
Aug 01 20:50:48 <Tibfib> you asked a question, I gave an answer :)
Aug 01 20:50:58 <twbbas> akanster: Or you could always make a short help tutorial showing the user how to use the app
Aug 01 20:51:07 <DougReeder> For something to look "tappable" it's got to connect with something in the user's brain.  A button _looks_ tappable, blue underlined text is _customary_.  I doubt you'll have much luck with anything else.
Aug 01 20:51:21 <akanster> whoa whoa... twbbas.  Stop making more work for me to do
Aug 01 20:51:38 <twbbas> akanster: You could even set up a whole tech support phone line too
Aug 01 20:52:14 <akanster> DougReeder: duly noted.
Aug 01 20:54:22 <Tibfib> doh silly 0 == false
Aug 01 20:57:58 <Tibfib> sugardave: You should work your magic and see if you can get someone to work on the enyo snapscroller
Aug 01 20:58:11 <Tibfib> snapTo() is a bit stupid
Aug 01 20:58:16 <Tibfib> it animates when it doesn't need to
Aug 01 20:58:22 <Tibfib> for an example: see spaz hd.
Aug 01 20:59:10 * akanster imagines sugardave pistol whipping a poor dev in the face, "FIX THE DAMN SNAP SCOLLER"
Aug 01 20:59:58 <twbbas> lol lol
Aug 01 21:01:02 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> sugardave: I need you to test my app on your TP :)
Aug 01 21:01:11 <twbbas> There's nothing special needed to set up a scroller is there? Like {kind: "Scroller", components: [ {kind: "Button", content: "This is a test"} ]}, should display a button, right?
Aug 01 21:01:52 <PatrickC> twbbas, NuttyBunny_Pre2, summatusmentis: check inbox
Aug 01 21:01:54 <PatrickC> brb
Aug 01 21:01:59 <akanster> twbbas: you probably want to add flex to the scroller but yeah
Aug 01 21:02:08 <twbbas> hmmmmm
Aug 01 21:02:18 <akanster> and a layoutKind
Aug 01 21:02:42 <twbbas> this.render()... check! Any other common mistakes with scrollers?
Aug 01 21:02:43 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> myRadio
Aug 01 21:02:58 <twbbas> akanster: Yeah, I had it doing that but now I stripped it to a basic scroller to get it working.
Aug 01 21:07:09 <Tibfib> akanster: that's EXACTLY what I expect sugardave to do
Aug 01 21:07:11 <twbbas> that 4G must have gone out
Aug 01 21:07:30 <PatrickC> back
Aug 01 21:07:46 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny_Pre2: lol
Aug 01 21:08:02 <azakus> twbbas: scroller must have a size
Aug 01 21:08:48 <twbbas> azakus: Like what? I tried flex: 2 and it still isn't showing
Aug 01 21:09:24 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny_Pre2: buttons better?
Aug 01 21:09:33 <azakus> twbbas: is the parent of the scoller flexed?
Aug 01 21:09:35 <PatrickC> you actually don't have to log in every time you launch the app
Aug 01 21:09:42 <azakus> or allows for flexing?
Aug 01 21:11:47 <twbbas> azakus: Ok, flex fixed showing the scroller in a "test" spot that I made but still doesn't show it where I want it. The parent looks like this: {name: "Stage1", kind: "Control", layoutKind: "VFlexLayout"},
Aug 01 21:15:29 <sugardave> haha, you guys
Aug 01 21:16:28 <sugardave> twbbas: is that container also flexed or given a size somehow?
Aug 01 21:17:10 <sugardave> the scroller wants to know what size it is before it is rendered, either explicitly or with flex: 1 inside a corresponding flex container
Aug 01 21:17:11 <twbbas> The container of the whole pane is given a set pixel height but my other widgets use flex fine.
Aug 01 21:17:22 <sugardave> hmm
Aug 01 21:17:34 <twbbas> I feel like I'm doing something stupid here
Aug 01 21:17:38 <twbbas> (like always)
Aug 01 21:17:46 <Tibfib> perhaps
Aug 01 21:18:02 <twbbas> my "test" scroller works fine outside of the parent
Aug 01 21:18:11 <sugardave> I never use VFlexLayout, I always use VFlexBox...but it shouldn't matter here, I think
Aug 01 21:18:21 <twbbas> I'll try it, just in case
Aug 01 21:18:28 <Tibfib> flex is very picky
Aug 01 21:18:49 <twbbas> nope, didn't fix it
Aug 01 21:19:27 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> sugardave: will you test my app this time? it's the last beta :)
Aug 01 21:19:31 <azakus> Stage1 should be flex:1
Aug 01 21:19:44 <azakus> a Scroller has no size by itself
Aug 01 21:19:55 <azakus> (save the 100px min-height to make sure you know ti's there)
Aug 01 21:20:09 <sugardave> NuttyBunny_Pre2: sure
Aug 01 21:20:22 <twbbas> oh wait, "Stage1" isn't the direct parent
Aug 01 21:20:38 <twbbas> {kind: "VFlexBox", align: "center", style:"height:908px;", components: [
Aug 01 21:20:39 <twbbas> tjat os
Aug 01 21:20:42 <twbbas> that is*
Aug 01 21:20:54 <sugardave> is that the top container?
Aug 01 21:21:20 <twbbas> The top, top container is {name: "pane", kind: "Pane", flex: 1, transitionKind: "enyo.transitions.Simple", onSelectView: "viewSelected", create: "hasBeenCreated", components: [
Aug 01 21:21:31 <sugardave> that vflexbox needs to be flex: 1
Aug 01 21:21:44 <sugardave> oh wait
Aug 01 21:21:47 <sugardave> it has set height
Aug 01 21:21:49 <sugardave> hmm
Aug 01 21:21:59 <sugardave> ah
Aug 01 21:22:00 <sugardave> try
Aug 01 21:22:00 <twbbas> I'll try it without set height and using flex: 1
Aug 01 21:22:09 <sugardave> height: "908px"
Aug 01 21:22:12 <sugardave> instead of style
Aug 01 21:22:18 <twbbas> oh? I didn't know that was an option
Aug 01 21:22:22 <twbbas> 1 sec
Aug 01 21:22:46 <twbbas> nope
Aug 01 21:22:49 <sugardave> lame
Aug 01 21:23:05 <sugardave> so remove height and try flexing it
Aug 01 21:23:07 <twbbas> I know why I didn't know that, it's because I tried using height: 908
Aug 01 21:23:25 <sugardave> ah, yeah you can do "auto" "100%" etc.
Aug 01 21:23:51 <twbbas> removing height and flexing didn't work either.
Aug 01 21:23:52 <twbbas> hmm
Aug 01 21:24:16 <sugardave> so, we'll have to see the layout
Aug 01 21:24:57 <twbbas> 1 sec. I'll clean up my code a bit and then pastebin all the containers
Aug 01 21:26:09 <sugardave> bbiab
Aug 01 21:28:05 <Tibfib> twbbas: paste it
Aug 01 21:29:59 <twbbas> sugardave, Tibfib: http://pastebin.com/HNxDfNJu
Aug 01 21:30:16 * twbbas waits for the stupid mistake part
Aug 01 21:30:59 <Tibfib> twbbas: try adding className: "enyo-hflexbox" to your pane
Aug 01 21:31:59 <twbbas> Tibfib: Nope :\
Aug 01 21:32:20 <akanster> twbbas: what's this -> name: "thumbScroller" + a
Aug 01 21:32:48 <twbbas> Just a dynamic name for the scroller. I have a regular scroller in there too that's not being shown either
Aug 01 21:32:53 <twbbas> a represents the # of Stage
Aug 01 21:33:05 * twbbas has 13 stage panes
Aug 01 21:36:10 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> flex:2, flex:3, what does that do? (besides flex:1)
Aug 01 21:36:50 <twbbas> NuttyBunny_Pre2: It just flexes it more than 1 does. Kind of like percents.
Aug 01 21:38:05 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> ah, I'll try that later :)
Aug 01 21:38:09 <azakus> flex:n is "give me n/(all flexed siblings)"
Aug 01 21:39:03 <azakus> so in {name:"foo", flex:1}, {name:"bar", flex:2}, "foo" gets 1/3 of the space, and "bar" gets 2/3 of the space
Aug 01 21:39:15 <twbbas> good example
Aug 01 21:39:15 <PatrickC> ugh...
Aug 01 21:40:26 <azakus> and in cases of odd pixel splitting, webkit magically figures out which flexed bit gets the extra pixel
Aug 01 21:41:51 <sugardave> twbbas: so if you change Stage3 to be kind: enyo.VFlexBox instead of Control, it still doesn't work?
Aug 01 21:42:09 <twbbas> sugardave: correct
Aug 01 21:47:52 <twbbas> sugardave: Even adding the scroller directly as a component doesn't fix it. See: http://pastebin.com/ujJawn98
Aug 01 21:47:57 <twbbas> Still doesn't show the button/scroller
Aug 01 21:49:04 <twbbas> sugardave: That exact same code works fine in another "scene." It has to be a problem with either the pane or the main VFlexBox kind
Aug 01 21:49:12 <sugardave> twbbas: that doesn't sound right
Aug 01 21:49:14 <sugardave> yeah
Aug 01 21:51:21 <twbbas> sugardave: http://pastebin.com/S2ULKrzy
Aug 01 21:51:35 <twbbas> The button displays fine in the top code but not the bottom
Aug 01 21:53:00 <twbbas> I just don't see what's different >.>
Aug 01 21:53:06 <azakus> twbbas: i assume line 22 is a flub in copy/paste?
Aug 01 21:53:31 <azakus> there's a '}' that could only matching with enyo.kind({
Aug 01 21:53:32 <twbbas> azakus: Oh yeah, I deleted all my events and such
Aug 01 21:53:43 <twbbas> (to clean the code up)
Aug 01 21:53:58 <twbbas> it matches "events: { }," in the actual code
Aug 01 21:54:28 <azakus> I would assume :p
Aug 01 21:54:43 <twbbas> I kinda wanted to paste it fast so I rushed a little copying/pasting
Aug 01 21:55:06 <akanster> twbbas: have you tried looking at the HTML elements in Chrome?
Aug 01 21:56:27 <twbbas> I did originally but not since making all these changes. One sec.
Aug 01 21:57:53 <akanster> I'm guessing Stage1 & Stage2 need flex as well
Aug 01 21:57:56 <azakus> twbbas: the "create"
Aug 01 21:57:58 <azakus> in stage3
Aug 01 21:58:13 <azakus> no, its' in the pane
Aug 01 21:58:17 <azakus> you overwrote teh create method
Aug 01 21:58:23 <twbbas> huh wa?
Aug 01 21:58:35 <twbbas> Which create method
Aug 01 21:58:43 <azakus> you have create:"hasBeenCreated"
Aug 01 21:58:48 <twbbas> o.m.g.
Aug 01 21:58:53 <twbbas> if that's the problem I'm gonna be so mad
Aug 01 21:58:55 <twbbas> let me try that
Aug 01 21:58:59 <azakus> yeah, that's it
Aug 01 21:59:05 <sugardave> heh
Aug 01 21:59:07 <sugardave> oops
Aug 01 21:59:16 <twbbas> azakus: Nope :(
Aug 01 21:59:29 <twbbas> azakus: and to answer your html question, the scroller's display fine in the html
Aug 01 21:59:40 <twbbas> azakus: All the right components and such
Aug 01 21:59:52 <twbbas> s/scroller's/scrollers
Aug 01 22:00:45 <azakus> hmm
Aug 01 22:01:01 <twbbas> this is a brainteaser isn't it, heh
Aug 01 22:01:18 <sugardave> I'm eating a Schlotzky's so I can join back in soon
Aug 01 22:01:52 <twbbas> ok, I've narrowed it down to a problem with the main VFlexBox kind
Aug 01 22:02:03 <twbbas> I added the scroller as the first component BEFORE the "pane"
Aug 01 22:02:06 <twbbas> and it still doesn't show
Aug 01 22:02:20 <azakus> wait...
Aug 01 22:02:23 <Tibfib> can you paste it again
Aug 01 22:02:48 <twbbas> http://pastebin.com/8CRJZ7Bd
Aug 01 22:02:51 <twbbas> exact code and it's not showing
Aug 01 22:02:57 <twbbas> nothing deleted/changed
Aug 01 22:03:48 <sugardave> you don't get any errors?
Aug 01 22:04:00 <twbbas> no errors and it shows in the HTML
Aug 01 22:04:03 <sugardave> also, fyi, your event loadPane needs to be onLoadPane
Aug 01 22:04:17 <twbbas> yeah, I haven't gotten around to fixing that
Aug 01 22:04:24 <twbbas> I saw the error messages telling me to change it before
Aug 01 22:04:33 <twbbas> (but since it changes it automatically it's not high priority for me)
Aug 01 22:05:24 <akanster> twbbas: add  layoutkind: "VFlexLayout" to the scroller.
Aug 01 22:05:53 <twbbas> akanster: Nothing.
Aug 01 22:06:13 <akanster> and you are sure you are editing and testing the same file/ipk
Aug 01 22:06:23 <twbbas> Yes. 100% sure
Aug 01 22:06:29 <twbbas> already checked that :)
Aug 01 22:06:29 <Tibfib> twbbas: the issue has to be with where MyApps.PicSelect is defined
Aug 01 22:06:43 <twbbas> let me pastebin that
Aug 01 22:06:43 <Tibfib> err, is created ?
Aug 01 22:07:42 <twbbas> Tibfib: http://pastebin.com/gY2xs7xN
Aug 01 22:08:17 <Tibfib> twbbas: /*
Aug 01 22:08:17 <Tibfib> 	This library requires the underscore library found at http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/
Aug 01 22:08:18 <Tibfib> 	This library requires the underscore string library found at http://edtsech.github.com/underscore.string/
Aug 01 22:08:18 <Tibfib> */
Aug 01 22:08:18 <Tibfib> reader = {
Aug 01 22:08:31 <twbbas> lol?
Aug 01 22:08:53 <Tibfib> holy crap, sorry
Aug 01 22:08:54 <twbbas> lol tibfib
Aug 01 22:08:57 <akanster> haha
Aug 01 22:09:00 <Tibfib> http://pastebin.com/NM3d2vJF
Aug 01 22:09:00 <twbbas> only showed 4 lines
Aug 01 22:09:03 <Tibfib> that is what I meant to paste
Aug 01 22:09:06 <Tibfib> twbbas: oh good
Aug 01 22:09:14 <Tibfib> I thought it pasted 100 like it did here
Aug 01 22:09:36 <twbbas> oh
Aug 01 22:09:37 <twbbas> my
Aug 01 22:09:38 <twbbas> god
Aug 01 22:09:41 <twbbas> that fixed it
Aug 01 22:09:49 <Tibfib> flex is annoying, you gotta be thorough
Aug 01 22:10:03 <twbbas> well kind of fixed it, the first scroller is showing but the rest aren't.
Aug 01 22:10:06 <twbbas> I'm gonna play around with them
Aug 01 22:10:11 <twbbas> but you fixed the problem
Aug 01 22:10:13 <twbbas> THANKS
Aug 01 22:10:15 <Tibfib> np
Aug 01 22:10:24 <twbbas> Another day, another enyo problem learned
Aug 01 22:10:42 <twbbas> Thanks sugardave, azakus for working with me
Aug 01 22:10:54 <twbbas> I should have checked all the way to the top
Aug 01 22:11:04 <twbbas> for flex... didn't think of looking where picSelect was created
Aug 01 22:12:41 <azakus> yeah, it's really picky
Aug 01 22:17:31 <sugardave> update to 3.0.2
Aug 01 22:17:35 <sugardave> go go go
Aug 01 22:17:41 <halfhalo-work> weeeee!
Aug 01 22:17:42 <akanster> yay!
Aug 01 22:18:25 <sugardave> seeing it on Twitter, anyway :D
Aug 01 22:18:55 <summatusmentis> in the process of downloading
Aug 01 22:18:58 <twbbas> mine's spending an awfully long time "checking for system updates"
Aug 01 22:19:02 <summatusmentis> I suppose I should remove the glass theme though
Aug 01 22:19:09 <twbbas> woot available!
Aug 01 22:19:23 <twbbas> summatusmentis: I should too
Aug 01 22:19:30 <twbbas> thanks for the reminder
Aug 01 22:20:17 <summatusmentis> are themes the only thing that need to be removed?
Aug 01 22:21:12 <LoneStar99> g. afternoon peeps
Aug 01 22:21:13 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Not sure but I'm removing all patches too
Aug 01 22:21:28 <summatusmentis> I don't _wanna_
Aug 01 22:22:16 <twbbas> I'm running EPR because I'm lazy
Aug 01 22:22:49 <summatusmentis> will that get me what I want?
Aug 01 22:22:59 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/richardkerris/status/98156278395834368
Aug 01 22:23:05 <twbbas> summatusmentis: EPR removes all patches at once
Aug 01 22:23:32 <summatusmentis> yep, looks like it
Aug 01 22:23:39 <summatusmentis> and adds them back afterwards right?
Aug 01 22:23:54 <twbbas> summatusmentis: No.
Aug 01 22:24:20 <summatusmentis> huh, the description is ambiguous then
Aug 01 22:24:54 <twbbas> does it say it installs them again later?
Aug 01 22:24:56 <twbbas> O
Aug 01 22:25:02 <twbbas> i'm pretty sure that it just removes all patches at once
Aug 01 22:25:05 <twbbas> and that's all it does
Aug 01 22:25:54 <chuqui> so, rumor has it 3.0.2 is live.
Aug 01 22:26:19 <twbbas> Yup
Aug 01 22:26:22 <twbbas> downloading as we speak
Aug 01 22:26:31 <twbbas> Still hit morning time in Guam
Aug 01 22:26:46 <ianbeck> chuqui: Downloading now; wish my TapNote bugfix to prevent graphical glitches in 3.0.2 had been approved prior to now, though
Aug 01 22:26:52 <ianbeck> Glad that people won't be losing data, at least
Aug 01 22:27:08 <twbbas> oops! It's Tuesday morning in guam :)
Aug 01 22:27:44 <summatusmentis> chuqui: indeed, attempting to download it as we speak :)
Aug 01 22:28:06 <twbbas> almost hit morning in Hawaii (where my brother is) but alas, it's 12:27PM there.
Aug 01 22:29:14 <summatusmentis> whoa, the bar just jumped forward, then went backwards
Aug 01 22:29:49 <chuqui> it's not just a download, it's a video game.
Aug 01 22:29:52 <twbbas> hahaha
Aug 01 22:30:16 <twbbas> False alarm everybody. HP's playing tricks on us. The update never finishes downloading ;)
Aug 01 22:30:22 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping it'll fix the random luna restarts when I try to load particular websites
Aug 01 22:30:28 <akanster> sugardave: got a few minutes to spare?
Aug 01 22:30:34 <twbbas> summatusmentis: I've had that problem too
Aug 01 22:31:06 <twbbas> The 2 things I want most out of this update is loading browser cards in background and fixing the keyboard so that it doesn't type the key on lift of finger but on press
Aug 01 22:31:19 <twbbas> A lot of my spaces turn into "n"
Aug 01 22:34:42 <Flashpass_work> twbbas: haha, same here
Aug 01 22:36:47 <Flashpass_work> i get the unresponsiveness within apps quite a bit, would like to see that cleaned up
Aug 01 22:36:54 <chuqui> ha. mine is unpacking.
Aug 01 22:37:16 <twbbas> taking so long to unpack
Aug 01 22:37:42 * twbbas shouldn't be complaining. At least there's an update to unpack
Aug 01 22:39:01 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> mine is... hidden in a crate somewhere waiting for me to get it :'(
Aug 01 22:39:03 <summatusmentis> twbbas: mine too, and things
Aug 01 22:39:17 <twbbas> eep! almost there!
Aug 01 22:39:23 <summatusmentis> twbbas: and at least you've got a TP to update :)
Aug 01 22:39:23 <twbbas> a smidgen left on the bar
Aug 01 22:39:34 <twbbas> summatusmentis: at least there is a TP :)
Aug 01 22:39:48 <summatusmentis> at least webOS exists! :-P
Aug 01 22:39:54 <twbbas> summatusmentis: at least Palm didn't go bankrupt!
Aug 01 22:40:01 <summatusmentis> haha
Aug 01 22:40:14 <twbbas> woot! validating
Aug 01 22:40:22 <summatusmentis> I'm still unpacking
Aug 01 22:40:34 <summatusmentis> I had to cancel the download to run EPR
Aug 01 22:40:39 <twbbas> don't worry, there's another progress bar after the unpacking one
Aug 01 22:40:45 <twbbas> summatusmentis: same
Aug 01 22:41:07 <cxreg> i'm still on unpacking too
Aug 01 22:41:24 <summatusmentis> twbbas: wait, moar progress bars? ALL THE PROGRESS BARS
Aug 01 22:41:47 <twbbas> I'm on validating progress bar that's right after unpacking
Aug 01 22:41:50 <Flashpass_work> is running EPR recommended?
Aug 01 22:41:51 <twbbas> who knows, there may be more after validating
Aug 01 22:42:06 <cxreg> its too late for me to be asking this and all, but does AUPT work on 3.0?
Aug 01 22:42:09 <twbbas> Flashpass_work: Only if you're too lazy to uninstall all patches one-by-one. But, I doubt you even have to uninstall the patches in the first place.
Aug 01 22:42:16 <twbbas> cxreg: Most likely, I'd say
Aug 01 22:42:26 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> I'm jumping each time I get an email... but no, no Palm email :(
Aug 01 22:42:31 <summatusmentis> Flashpass_work: for safest outcome, I'd remove all patches and themes
Aug 01 22:42:31 <twbbas> I just like to uninstall all patches/themes before updating
Aug 01 22:42:33 <ianbeck> Good grief, needy tablet. "Battery must be at 50% to finish update." 47% isn't enough? How long could this update possibly take to apply?
Aug 01 22:42:44 <Flashpass_work> haha
Aug 01 22:42:49 <PatrickC> hey
Aug 01 22:42:50 <twbbas> lol that stinks
Aug 01 22:42:53 <summatusmentis> mines at 37% and didn't yell at me
Aug 01 22:42:54 <cxreg> well, i'll know soon
Aug 01 22:42:57 <summatusmentis> I guess I'll plug it in
Aug 01 22:43:06 * twbbas has his on a touchstone at 100% charge
Aug 01 22:43:11 <twbbas> I think I'm good
Aug 01 22:43:17 <summatusmentis> I could afford the touchstone up front
Aug 01 22:43:24 <summatusmentis> hopefully for my birthday
Aug 01 22:43:27 <twbbas> woo installing now
Aug 01 22:43:38 <Flashpass_work> report back when you guys get it up and running
Aug 01 22:43:48 <Flashpass_work> really curious and my TP is at home
Aug 01 22:43:59 <PatrickC> anyone know how to make a scene look like the webOS Internals changelog scenes?
Aug 01 22:44:00 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yeah, I bought it for my birthday too. Both sets of my grandparents gave me money.
Aug 01 22:44:14 <PatrickC> what things do they use?
Aug 01 22:44:15 <cxreg> someone asked me a few minutes ago "so what do you use your pad for?" and i flippantly replied "porn"
Aug 01 22:44:20 <twbbas> PatrickC: Aren't their apps opensource?
Aug 01 22:44:25 <PatrickC> yes
Aug 01 22:44:31 <PatrickC> I tried to use their source
Aug 01 22:44:36 <PatrickC> and can't get it to work
Aug 01 22:44:45 <twbbas> haha another progress bar on installing
Aug 01 22:44:48 <twbbas> well, more a progress circle
Aug 01 22:44:51 <PatrickC> cxreg: haha
Aug 01 22:45:34 <cxreg> one thing i'm anxious to see is this new skype quality improvement
Aug 01 22:45:40 <cxreg> the video was truly awful
Aug 01 22:45:44 <PatrickC> twbbas: for some reason, their app works fine with only var vers = new veesionCookie();
Aug 01 22:45:59 <PatrickC> and not saying another word about the cookie in the appassistant
Aug 01 22:46:00 <twbbas> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/webos-3-0-2-update-released-for-hp-touchpad/
Aug 01 22:46:09 <PatrickC> my app doesn't work with just that
Aug 01 22:46:13 <summatusmentis> twbbas: err.. sorry, couldn't afford*
Aug 01 22:46:23 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yeah, I understood it
Aug 01 22:46:28 <akanster> is there a 3.0.2 changelog?
Aug 01 22:46:36 <twbbas> akanster: Look at the link above that I posted
Aug 01 22:46:36 <summatusmentis> cxreg: I really want vkb support for xecutah
Aug 01 22:46:43 <cxreg> oh yeah!
Aug 01 22:46:45 <cxreg> i forgot about that
Aug 01 22:46:54 <twbbas> 25% installed
Aug 01 22:46:55 <akanster> thanks twbbas
Aug 01 22:47:17 <twbbas> unfortunately, the loading web page in background is missing from that change log. Hopefully, they fixed it and just forgot to mention it.
Aug 01 22:47:23 <cxreg> summatusmentis: any idea how to get Synergy (the X thing) up and going?
Aug 01 22:47:28 <cxreg> i saw some tweets about that
Aug 01 22:47:29 <summatusmentis> not at all
Aug 01 22:47:44 <cxreg> that's a bit of an unfortunate name collision
Aug 01 22:47:46 <twbbas> cxreg: I know you have to metadoctor
Aug 01 22:47:53 <cxreg> twbbas: even with 3.0.2?
Aug 01 22:47:56 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> 3.0.2 is more like 3.1 btw :)  (I saw several important changes.... for me)
Aug 01 22:48:11 <twbbas> cxreg: hmm, probably. It had to do with the usb partition being a weird format.
Aug 01 22:48:15 <cxreg> oh
Aug 01 22:48:15 <summatusmentis> wait, rly? still an error about 50% full battery, despite being plugged in
Aug 01 22:48:29 <twbbas> Maybe it doesn't charge when it's installing
Aug 01 22:48:37 <twbbas> like how it doesn't charge when it's off
Aug 01 22:48:38 <summatusmentis> it says it's charging though
Aug 01 22:48:50 <summatusmentis> wait, it doesn't charge when it's off?
Aug 01 22:48:53 <twbbas> summatusmentis: I know but the device goes into a "installing" phase where it turns off kinda
Aug 01 22:48:59 <twbbas> summatusmentis: That's what I think
Aug 01 22:49:13 <twbbas> there's not indication it's charging so I'd assume it doesn't when it's off
Aug 01 22:49:18 <summatusmentis> seriously? that seems odd
Aug 01 22:49:18 <twbbas> s/not/no
Aug 01 22:49:32 <twbbas> All my webOS phones don't charge when they're off (80%  sure)
Aug 01 22:49:42 <cxreg> my pre+ is smoking, as im tethering and charging at the same time
Aug 01 22:49:58 <twbbas> cxreg: Literally smoking? :p
Aug 01 22:49:58 <summatusmentis> twbbas: my pre totally charges when it's off
Aug 01 22:50:08 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Ok, maybe the TP does too and I just missed it.
Aug 01 22:50:10 <cxreg> twbbas: might be, heh
Aug 01 22:50:20 <summatusmentis> don't let the magic smoke out
Aug 01 22:50:21 <cxreg> woot, past the unpacking bar
Aug 01 22:50:21 <twbbas> cxreg: Overclocking too?
Aug 01 22:50:32 <twbbas> cxreg: validating and then installing bars to go!
Aug 01 22:50:33 <cxreg> twbbas: i dont think so, but i should check govnah
Aug 01 22:50:33 <summatusmentis> yeah, it's totally just sitting here at 100% validating waiting for the battery to charge
Aug 01 22:50:36 <summatusmentis> weird
Aug 01 22:50:42 <cxreg> validating now
Aug 01 22:50:52 <twbbas> 60% installed
Aug 01 22:51:34 <cxreg> do i still need the network?
Aug 01 22:51:41 <cxreg> i'd like to turn off freetether
Aug 01 22:51:44 <twbbas> my guess is no
Aug 01 22:51:59 <cxreg> ok off
Aug 01 22:52:07 <cxreg> lets see if it chokes
Aug 01 22:52:41 <twbbas> 80%
Aug 01 22:53:37 <summatusmentis> twbbas: webosinternals> [99] In general, neither will be a problem if you just OTA over the top of them, you may just have some inconvenience after to adjust  things.
Aug 01 22:53:45 <summatusmentis> we probably didn't need to EPR
Aug 01 22:53:51 <cxreg> go go gadget installing
Aug 01 22:53:56 <twbbas> Yeah, I figured
Aug 01 22:53:59 <summatusmentis> ("neither" being patches and custom kernels)
Aug 01 22:54:00 <twbbas> I just like to play it safe
Aug 01 22:54:12 <cxreg> i didnt EPR
Aug 01 22:54:13 <twbbas> woo! stuck at 100% installed
Aug 01 22:55:17 <twbbas> and still stuck
Aug 01 22:55:25 <twbbas> this is painful to look at
Aug 01 22:55:43 <summatusmentis> I'm waiting for 7% more batter before it'll install
Aug 01 22:55:50 <twbbas> summatusmentis: :(
Aug 01 22:56:01 <PuffTheMagic> 302 is booting!
Aug 01 22:56:18 <twbbas> PuffTheMagic: Nice! Now it'll take the same amount of time to boot as it did to dl/install, right? Hehe
Aug 01 22:56:28 <summatusmentis> @jkendrick claims the browser is much faster
Aug 01 22:56:29 <PuffTheMagic> prob
Aug 01 22:56:42 <twbbas> first thing I'll test it loading browser cards in the background
Aug 01 22:56:52 <twbbas> WTF the installing bar just dropped back 25%
Aug 01 22:57:04 <twbbas> it was at 100% and now it's at more like 80%
Aug 01 22:57:25 <twbbas> oh my mistake >.>
Aug 01 22:57:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TouchPad updating! :-D
Aug 01 22:57:29 <twbbas> it's at "restoring data" now
Aug 01 22:57:37 <twbbas> booting!
Aug 01 22:57:53 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: What are you looking forward to the most from this update?
Aug 01 22:58:12 <summatusmentis> oh, screen rotation being less touchy is a good thing
Aug 01 22:58:26 <twbbas> Yes, indeed.
Aug 01 22:58:31 <summatusmentis> oh good, now I only need 6% more battery
Aug 01 22:58:38 <PuffTheMagic> why does the clock app take forever to start
Aug 01 22:58:42 <PuffTheMagic> its just a damn clock
Aug 01 22:58:48 <twbbas> lol
Aug 01 22:58:55 <ianbeck> It has a whole lot of seconds to count, though
Aug 01 22:58:56 * twbbas wants a camera app
Aug 01 22:59:03 <twbbas> ianbeck: hahaha
Aug 01 22:59:21 <PatrickC> wow...
Aug 01 22:59:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> accelerometer fix and the clock, lol
Aug 01 22:59:31 <PatrickC> everyone uses the same way to do a changelog....
Aug 01 22:59:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I wish they did goddamn launcher tabs, though
Aug 01 22:59:46 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> twbbas: I'll give you one with photofun 1.1 :)
Aug 01 22:59:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sick of not being able to customize those
Aug 01 23:00:00 <twbbas> NuttyBunny_Pre2: Yes!
Aug 01 23:00:04 <twbbas> woot booted
Aug 01 23:00:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 1/4 way for me
Aug 01 23:00:37 <cxreg> some of the more interesting stuff is not in the changelog that i read
Aug 01 23:00:39 <cxreg> like, the sqlite fix
Aug 01 23:00:42 <twbbas> Just Type feels different.... a better different
Aug 01 23:00:48 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: help?
Aug 01 23:00:54 <twbbas> :( browser still doesn't load in card view
Aug 01 23:01:11 <cxreg> at least i assume the sqlite fix is in this release?
Aug 01 23:01:27 <summatusmentis> twbbas:
Aug 01 23:01:31 <twbbas> cxreg: I'd assume so too. Do you know if the cookies bug is?
Aug 01 23:01:36 <cxreg> not sure
Aug 01 23:01:37 <summatusmentis> err... twbbas JT is supposed to be faster
Aug 01 23:01:54 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> chuqui: My app works perfectly on the emu and Chrome. It fails on 3.0.2 TouchPad :'(
Aug 01 23:02:21 <cxreg> heh, emu
Aug 01 23:02:24 <twbbas> Was the google "suggest" button there before in just type?
Aug 01 23:02:39 <ianbeck> twbbas: Yes, I believe so
Aug 01 23:02:40 <summatusmentis> 4%!
Aug 01 23:02:48 <twbbas> hmm, never saw it in 3.0 before.
Aug 01 23:02:57 <summatusmentis> I don't remember seeing it either
Aug 01 23:02:59 <summatusmentis> it's in 2.1
Aug 01 23:03:00 <cxreg> where are you guys getting the percentage?  all i see is the white circle
Aug 01 23:03:09 <twbbas> cxreg: Just estimated
Aug 01 23:03:10 <chuqui> ouch
Aug 01 23:03:17 <summatusmentis> cxreg: I'm waiting for my battery to finish charging :)
Aug 01 23:03:22 <cxreg> oh, ok
Aug 01 23:03:36 <cxreg> so does the X kbd work?
Aug 01 23:03:36 <summatusmentis> I'm still sitting at a full Validating bar
Aug 01 23:03:47 <cxreg> i'm almost done the install now
Aug 01 23:04:02 <summatusmentis> twbbas: go use xecutah and tell me if you get a vkb in xterm
Aug 01 23:04:10 <twbbas> :O I can use tabs now in advanced browser!
Aug 01 23:04:10 <Flashpass_work> anyone know if this might enable forwards text msgs to the pre2? I'm guessing that requires a pre2 update too...
Aug 01 23:04:20 <twbbas> summatusmentis: is xecutah in Preware?
Aug 01 23:04:20 <cxreg> is advanced browser really worth it?
Aug 01 23:04:26 <summatusmentis> twbbas: in the testing feeds
Aug 01 23:04:30 <twbbas> cxreg: I haven't used it so much yet.
Aug 01 23:04:34 <cxreg> summatusmentis: i have it installed, ill try in a minute
Aug 01 23:04:49 <twbbas> I'll let cxreg do it =\. I don't have the testing feeds set up
Aug 01 23:05:00 <summatusmentis> advanced browser is essentially the patched regular browser, but pay-for right?
Aug 01 23:05:05 <twbbas> oo tabs are nice
Aug 01 23:05:09 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yep
Aug 01 23:05:22 <summatusmentis> meh, I see no reason to buy it then
Aug 01 23:05:25 <cxreg> 100%,, rebooting
Aug 01 23:05:54 <twbbas> summatusmentis: The only reason I got it is because it was on sale and I'm interested in it.
Aug 01 23:06:27 * PatrickC wishes he could be updating :'(
Aug 01 23:06:43 <cxreg> sad to say, i'm actually excited about the clock app
Aug 01 23:06:46 <cxreg> i need an alarm
Aug 01 23:06:51 <linuxjacques_> heh
Aug 01 23:06:54 <summatusmentis> I use my pre that way
Aug 01 23:07:09 <cxreg> i also need a touchstone, anyone wanna buy me one? :)
Aug 01 23:07:13 <summatusmentis> I'd rather not throw my touchpad against the wall when I don't want to get up :-P
Aug 01 23:07:18 <cxreg> hahaha
Aug 01 23:07:22 <twbbas> haha
Aug 01 23:07:34 <twbbas> I use my Pre for my alarm too but I use my touchpad as a night stand clock
Aug 01 23:07:40 <twbbas> exhibition
Aug 01 23:07:48 <linuxjacques> the tp alarm would at least sound a lot better
Aug 01 23:07:49 <cxreg> exhibitionist mode
Aug 01 23:07:57 <summatusmentis> twbbas: I do that on my pre :)
Aug 01 23:08:18 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: you throw your pre at a wall???
Aug 01 23:08:22 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yeah but my night stand is slightly higher than my bed so when my Pre's on the touchstone, it's hard to see
Aug 01 23:08:27 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: that was a joke
Aug 01 23:08:35 <PatrickC> lol.. figured
Aug 01 23:08:45 <twbbas> those dents in the wall aren't joking around
Aug 01 23:08:46 <PatrickC> otherwise, you wouldn't have a pre left :P
Aug 01 23:08:47 <summatusmentis> but, at some level, I'd rather stumble out of bed and break my pre than stumble out of bed and break my touchpad
Aug 01 23:09:08 <summatusmentis> because when I wake up, I'm not coherent in any way
Aug 01 23:09:26 <Flashpass_work> another problem was the poor quality video over skype, wonder if that got fixed
Aug 01 23:09:43 <cxreg> ok, firing up X...
Aug 01 23:09:46 <cxreg> Flashpass_work: changelog says it did
Aug 01 23:09:57 <Flashpass_work> which changelog?
Aug 01 23:10:11 <Flashpass_work> the on-device one?
Aug 01 23:10:35 <cxreg> i havent read that one yet
Aug 01 23:10:39 <summatusmentis> 1% left
Aug 01 23:11:18 <cxreg> the rotation sensitivity change is subtle
Aug 01 23:11:19 <cxreg> but good
Aug 01 23:11:24 <Flashpass_work> cxreg: which one were you referring to?
Aug 01 23:11:37 <cxreg> i donno, one i read online somewhere :-)
Aug 01 23:11:51 <cxreg> summatusmentis: keyboard comes right up
Aug 01 23:12:04 <twbbas> facebook update too
Aug 01 23:12:10 <summatusmentis> cxreg: neat, very exciting
Aug 01 23:12:22 <summatusmentis> twbbas: does FB now do group posts properly?
Aug 01 23:12:29 <summatusmentis> I'm tired of it opening new browser windows
Aug 01 23:12:34 <twbbas> same. I'll have to test.
Aug 01 23:12:48 <summatusmentis> oh crap, it's not going to download again is it?
Aug 01 23:12:58 <summatusmentis> oh, no that's a different message
Aug 01 23:12:58 <twbbas> 3.0.2?
Aug 01 23:13:00 <twbbas> heh
Aug 01 23:13:22 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Nope. Still browser window.
Aug 01 23:13:35 <summatusmentis> guh
Aug 01 23:13:37 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny_Pre2: piiing!
Aug 01 23:13:44 <summatusmentis> twbbas: that's the most irritating thing ever
Aug 01 23:13:56 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> PatrickC: pong
Aug 01 23:14:01 <PatrickC> help
Aug 01 23:14:14 <twbbas> the FB app is showing lots of my read messages as unread
Aug 01 23:14:44 <twbbas> messages from last year are suddenly unread
Aug 01 23:14:52 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/XxjL68kb http://pastebin.com/L23hpq5j if I put the versionCookie in my setup it throws an error, or if its where it is currently it throws an error
Aug 01 23:14:58 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 23:16:16 <twbbas> I will be testing the cookie bug in a few mins. Have to wait for my app to install.
Aug 01 23:16:47 <PatrickC> its not a cookie bug.. and this is mojo on a pre2 :)
Aug 01 23:17:06 <twbbas> PatrickC: I wasn't talking about your code :p
Aug 01 23:17:15 <PatrickC> lol ok
Aug 01 23:17:16 <twbbas> I'm talking about the cookie bug in 3.0 to see if it's fixed in 3.0.2
Aug 01 23:17:22 <PatrickC> though it does need help :)
Aug 01 23:17:30 <haeffb> installing...
Aug 01 23:17:46 <twbbas> I wouldn't be of much help =\. I'm not worse at mojo than I am at enyo
Aug 01 23:18:14 <haeffb> TP2 is still unpacking
Aug 01 23:18:16 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 01 23:19:35 <twbbas> TP2? :o
Aug 01 23:19:49 <haeffb> Wife had to have one, too.
Aug 01 23:20:00 <twbbas> oh. So not generation two :p
Aug 01 23:20:17 <haeffb> I can neither confirm nor deny...
Aug 01 23:20:37 <twbbas> haha
Aug 01 23:20:38 <haeffb> ...oh, ok, I can confirm that it's just a TouchPad
Aug 01 23:20:54 <twbbas> rebooting to test cookie bug.
Aug 01 23:20:57 <haeffb> ha. She has 199 unread Facebook messages and 200 unread emails
Aug 01 23:21:00 <twbbas> *fingers crossed*
Aug 01 23:21:08 <twbbas> haeffb: I had the same thing!
Aug 01 23:21:15 <twbbas> except 8 unread fb messages
Aug 01 23:21:18 <haeffb> no, this is before 3.02
Aug 01 23:21:22 <twbbas> oh haha
Aug 01 23:21:23 <haeffb> she really has that many
Aug 01 23:21:27 <twbbas> wow lol
Aug 01 23:21:30 <twbbas> she's popular
Aug 01 23:21:41 <haeffb> she plays a lot of facebook games
Aug 01 23:21:48 <twbbas> oh. I see.
Aug 01 23:22:10 <haeffb> TP2 installing. TP1 at 25%
Aug 01 23:23:03 <haeffb> uh oh. TP2 just rebooted.
Aug 01 23:23:15 <haeffb> oh, ok, it's installing
Aug 01 23:23:29 <haeffb> the HP logo surprised me
Aug 01 23:23:31 * twbbas sighs. Cookie bug still there.
Aug 01 23:23:44 <ianbeck> twbbas: What is the cookie bug?
Aug 01 23:24:00 <twbbas> Cookies (from apps) get deleted upon shutdown/restart of device.
Aug 01 23:24:09 <ianbeck> Really?
Aug 01 23:24:10 <ianbeck> Lovely
Aug 01 23:24:17 <ianbeck> Guess I should test for that in TapNote
Aug 01 23:24:20 <twbbas> Most apps use SQL or something so it doesn't affect most of them
Aug 01 23:24:35 <twbbas> ianbeck: Yeah, I ran across it from a user saying his data was being lost.
Aug 01 23:24:53 <ianbeck> WebOS 3.0.0: data loss edition
Aug 01 23:24:56 <twbbas> I've only found it affects my app (Differences) and Dr. Podder
Aug 01 23:25:09 <twbbas> but Dr. Podder isn't optimized for the TouchPad so I hope it's just that I'm not storing the cookie funny.
Aug 01 23:25:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> this update ROCKS
Aug 01 23:25:12 <Flashpass_work> twbbas: wow i dind't know about that bug, so on a reboot any stored user preferences are gone...
Aug 01 23:25:25 <twbbas> Flashpass_work: I've only seen it on the 2 apps listed above.
Aug 01 23:25:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what data loss have people experienced?
Aug 01 23:25:43 <Flashpass_work> twbbas: ah ok, phew
Aug 01 23:25:45 <ianbeck> twbbas: Is either app an Enyo app, or are they both Mojo?
Aug 01 23:25:56 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: Nothing major in my app. Just lost record of what levels they've completed.
Aug 01 23:26:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 01 23:26:04 <azakus> IGNTNUNLMTD: dr podder was loosing all saved podcasts
Aug 01 23:26:07 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: But since they can play any level at any time, it's not that big of a deal
Aug 01 23:26:12 <ianbeck> IGNTNUNLMTD: Lost WebSQL databases has hit a bunch of TapNote users
Aug 01 23:26:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Dr. Podder isn't even official
Aug 01 23:26:18 <twbbas> ianbeck: Dr. Podder is mojo and mine is enyo
Aug 01 23:26:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
Aug 01 23:26:22 <haeffb> twbbas: I've seen something similar
Aug 01 23:26:26 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: I got it from app cat
Aug 01 23:26:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not fair to blame Podder
Aug 01 23:26:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's not optimized
Aug 01 23:26:35 <twbbas> I know, that's what I said.
Aug 01 23:26:39 <azakus> IGNTNUNLMTD: dr podder had an official catalog version
Aug 01 23:26:39 <haeffb> but, I think it's because I save the cookie on app exit, and if the device is rebooted before...
Aug 01 23:26:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> azakus: not for the Touchpad
Aug 01 23:26:53 <twbbas> haeffb: That's not the problem I'm having.
Aug 01 23:27:01 <twbbas> haeffb: I save the cookies during the app's use.
Aug 01 23:27:10 <haeffb> usually, my cookies are saved just fine
Aug 01 23:27:38 <twbbas> I told unwiredben on the developer forums about it like 3-4 weeks ago and he said it *may* be fixed in this update. I guess it wasn't.
Aug 01 23:27:54 <twbbas> I encourage you guys to test it out and see if you have similar results.
Aug 01 23:28:07 <ianbeck> Yeah, will do
Aug 01 23:28:10 <twbbas> It *could* just be I'm saving the cookie weird but then why is dr. podder losing all my feeds?
Aug 01 23:28:13 <ianbeck> Not that it matters, since I can't get updates approved
Aug 01 23:28:17 <ianbeck> Freaking fat apps
Aug 01 23:28:33 <haeffb> ianbeck: just uiRevision: 2 is enough to fubar things
Aug 01 23:28:43 <twbbas> Well, I have to leave for a few hours. Leave me a message or something if you have any comments.
Aug 01 23:28:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> overall, this upgrade = good shit
Aug 01 23:28:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm liking it a lot
Aug 01 23:28:50 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: Yes.
Aug 01 23:28:51 <haeffb> oooohhh... the circle is complete!
Aug 01 23:29:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> plus the 1.5 OC and it's gold
Aug 01 23:29:01 <haeffb> TP2 is half-circle
Aug 01 23:29:02 <sugardave> by and by
Aug 01 23:29:02 <ianbeck> haeffb: Yeah, the whole submission process is awful for anyone who isn't new to the platform
Aug 01 23:29:06 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: when did crap become good? lol
Aug 01 23:29:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol you know what I mean
Aug 01 23:29:55 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 01 23:30:19 <haeffb> hey, check this out.  var a = undefined; enyo.json.parse (a);
Aug 01 23:30:32 <haeffb> BOOM! goes the dynamite.
Aug 01 23:31:01 <haeffb> restoring data.
Aug 01 23:31:21 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> back for a few... until Telcel disconnects me and wIRC refuses to tell me it lost the connection or refuses to connect again until I close it and kill it with jstop :P
Aug 01 23:31:32 <fxspec06> We identified an issue that caused incorrect download and revenue share figures to be displayed in June’s Monthly Sales Report on the developer portal. As a result, some developers received payments that were different from what was reported. Please be assured that the monthly payments you receive are based on the correct download figures. However, we appreciate your patience and have decided
Aug 01 23:31:32 <fxspec06> to send developers an additional payment to match the reported amount for June.
Aug 01 23:31:37 <fxspec06> DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Aug 01 23:31:38 <haeffb> Ok, Palm. I love you again!
Aug 01 23:31:42 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny_Pre2: haha
Aug 01 23:31:46 <ianbeck> Yeah, was just "holy shitting" over that
Aug 01 23:31:49 <fxspec06> I wish I had my game out in june
Aug 01 23:31:56 <fxspec06> JESUS=(
Aug 01 23:32:41 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> fxspec06: +1  .. damn :)
Aug 01 23:32:45 <haeffb> now I wish they'd screwed up a lot more... :)
Aug 01 23:33:55 <haeffb> ooooh...here it comes
Aug 01 23:34:51 <PatrickC> CHUQUI: YOU FIXED IT
Aug 01 23:34:58 <PatrickC> bbl
Aug 01 23:35:28 <chuqui> PatrickC:  I'll take full credit. for whatever it is.
Aug 01 23:35:40 <chuqui> oh, the email is out.
Aug 01 23:35:48 <chuqui> good.
Aug 01 23:35:51 <LoneStar99> back, waz up folks
Aug 01 23:35:56 <chuqui> I can talk about that now.
Aug 01 23:35:59 <haeffb> chuqui: very nice.
Aug 01 23:36:08 <haeffb> and...TP2 is rebooting
Aug 01 23:36:19 <ianbeck> chuqui: Yeah, that's really impressive. Kudos to you and anyone else who decided on that course of action
Aug 01 23:36:27 <ianbeck> Was just expecting fixed numbers in My Apps myself :-)
Aug 01 23:36:38 <PatrickC> bbl
Aug 01 23:36:49 <chuqui> I'll give full credit to Richard. He really felt that was the right thing to do. I did, but he had the budget to make it happen.
Aug 01 23:37:10 <haeffb> chuqui doesnt' get paid for June... ?
Aug 01 23:37:35 <LoneStar99> did anyone already get that "bonus" payment?
Aug 01 23:37:51 <ianbeck> Given that it was just announced in an email that said it would happen in a couple weeks, my guess is "no"
Aug 01 23:37:54 <summatusmentis> what about people who want to be develoeprs, do we get payments? :P
Aug 01 23:38:27 <LoneStar99> ianbeck:  right on
Aug 01 23:38:46 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> summatusmentis: do we get touchpads? ;)
Aug 01 23:38:54 <LoneStar99> everyone gets payments... even the trolls
Aug 01 23:39:02 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny_Pre2: I don't know, I have one already
Aug 01 23:39:10 <haeffb> crap. Pre2 sound not working anymore
Aug 01 23:39:18 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: and the people in EA who leak things
Aug 01 23:39:36 <LoneStar99> EA, what did they leak?
Aug 01 23:39:56 <summatusmentis> nothing recently
Aug 01 23:40:04 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> haeffb: reboot it
Aug 01 23:40:04 <summatusmentis> a while ago they leaked screenshots to 3.0 SDK
Aug 01 23:40:15 <haeffb> I did
Aug 01 23:40:22 <haeffb> still no workie
Aug 01 23:40:35 <haeffb> amazon streaming seems more robust now
Aug 01 23:40:39 <haeffb> on the TP.
Aug 01 23:40:51 <LoneStar99> EA folks get double bonuses =) then
Aug 01 23:41:00 <haeffb> NuttyBunny_Pre2: on a phone call, the mic & speakers only work if I use speakerphone
Aug 01 23:41:02 <summatusmentis> hh
Aug 01 23:41:19 <LoneStar99> drinking coffee for the first time in years
Aug 01 23:41:42 <summatusmentis> I was just thinking I wanted tea
Aug 01 23:42:02 <haeffb> headphone jack issue?
Aug 01 23:42:49 <haeffb> browser is significantly faster
Aug 01 23:43:08 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> haeffb: yep, use the graphite powder trick :)
Aug 01 23:43:18 * haeffb will google
Aug 01 23:44:16 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> if the TP 3.0.2 is the same as the emu, palm-install is way faster as well
Aug 01 23:44:45 <Flashpass_work> so there are problems with Pre2 over BT on 302?
Aug 01 23:45:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not that I'm seeing, Flashpass_work
Aug 01 23:45:29 <Flashpass_work> okay cool
Aug 01 23:45:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> where did you see that?
Aug 01 23:45:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm currently connected to my Pre 2
Aug 01 23:46:12 <Flashpass_work> haeffb mentioned pre2 sound not working anymore, but it may not have been related to the update
Aug 01 23:46:13 <haeffb> well, well... Another email from Palm.
Aug 01 23:46:47 <haeffb> Flashpass_work: no, not related to the update. just hardware issue
Aug 01 23:47:01 <Flashpass_work> IGNTNUNLMTD: i previously had really bad quality trying to call over bt using the pre2 - did you experience then same?
Aug 01 23:47:10 <Flashpass_work> IGNTNUNLMTD: worked great on any other bt device
Aug 01 23:47:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> strange
Aug 01 23:47:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have not tried this yet
Aug 01 23:47:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wanna call me?
Aug 01 23:47:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 01 23:47:46 <Flashpass_work> at work atm haha
Aug 01 23:47:51 <LoneStar99> ok i think I am wired...
Aug 01 23:47:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 01 23:47:56 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 loves his velcro-sustained car Touchstone installation ;)
Aug 01 23:48:02 <Flashpass_work> but for me it was unusuably bad...
Aug 01 23:48:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh man... you gotta see mine NuttyBunny_Pre2
Aug 01 23:48:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'll take a pic tomorrow
Aug 01 23:48:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's insane
Aug 01 23:48:27 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> cool :)
Aug 01 23:49:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have a touchstone mounted to a vent next to the steering wheel
Aug 01 23:49:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's so perfect for Trapster
Aug 01 23:50:07 <keith> yea mines velcro too
Aug 01 23:50:09 <keith> holds up awesome
Aug 01 23:51:11 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> http://twitpic.com/5gx2oe
Aug 01 23:53:18 <summatusmentis> twbbas: was it you I was whining with about the size of the wallpaper chooser modal dialogue?
Aug 01 23:54:42 <summatusmentis> because if so 3.0.2 makes it larger
Aug 01 23:54:59 <haeffb> playing music and removing the headphone jack while playing fixed it.
Aug 01 23:55:25 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Devs rejoice, Filepicker in 3.0.2 now grabs synergy photos as well!! :)
Aug 01 23:57:42 <summatusmentis> baww, still no flickr account synergy
Aug 01 23:57:48 <summatusmentis> I want flickr synergy
Aug 01 23:58:05 <Flashpass_work> any new synergy expansions?
Aug 02 00:02:42 <summatusmentis> not that I can see
Aug 02 00:02:56 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Telcel...
Aug 02 00:03:17 <Flashpass_work> darn
Aug 02 00:04:26 <Flashpass_work> are touches any more responsive? it dinifitely hangs from time to time on 3.0.0
Aug 02 00:12:38 <haeffb> so, the OTA update seems anti-climactic Nobody gushing over it?
Aug 02 00:13:52 <summatusmentis> I don't have time to play right now
Aug 02 00:27:50 <IGNTN|Dinner> this really is a solid-as-hell update
Aug 02 00:29:08 <summatusmentis> the accel-rotate thing is subtle, but much nicer
Aug 02 00:32:01 <fxspec06> IGNTN|Dinner - u wanna test a version w/ villo
Aug 02 00:32:04 <fxspec06> half arsd
Aug 02 00:32:06 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 02 00:32:08 <fxspec06> but working
Aug 02 00:32:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sure
Aug 02 00:32:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> send that along!
Aug 02 00:32:30 <fxspec06> k sent
Aug 02 00:32:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> are the backgrounds fixed yet?
Aug 02 00:32:38 <fxspec06> which ones
Aug 02 00:32:49 <fxspec06> oh
Aug 02 00:32:51 <fxspec06> not really
Aug 02 00:32:52 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 02 00:32:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 02 00:33:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the email app
Aug 02 00:33:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> is SO fast now
Aug 02 00:33:25 <fxspec06> what else is better?
Aug 02 00:33:30 <fxspec06> i haven't seen anything on it
Aug 02 00:33:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the whole OS feels smoother
Aug 02 00:33:49 <fxspec06> oh shit ignt if u don't have a villo account
Aug 02 00:33:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the FB app got a GREAT update
Aug 02 00:33:55 <fxspec06> u needa install that on ur phone
Aug 02 00:33:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ...I don't
Aug 02 00:33:58 <fxspec06> in order to register
Aug 02 00:33:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 02 00:34:00 <fxspec06> lmao
Aug 02 00:34:13 <fxspec06> sorry like i said half arsed for now
Aug 02 00:34:39 <fxspec06> o damn u can't even register on the phone. uhm
Aug 02 00:34:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahahaha
Aug 02 00:34:46 <fxspec06> k then leme fix that real quick and resend
Aug 02 00:34:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do your other testers have Villo?
Aug 02 00:35:31 <fxspec06> none have a touchpad
Aug 02 00:35:37 <fxspec06> i just need someone w/ a touchpad
Aug 02 00:35:38 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 02 00:36:09 <fxspec06> there two guys that my testers from early and they both have villo and use it
Aug 02 00:36:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 02 00:38:06 <rwhitby> fxspec06: got a link to that announcement from Palm about dev payments?
Aug 02 00:38:25 <fxspec06> rwitby: it was an email
Aug 02 00:38:35 <fxspec06> i recieved at 7:31
Aug 02 00:38:52 <fxspec06> 7:30*
Aug 02 00:39:56 <qillerneu> there is also a post on forums
Aug 02 00:40:39 <qillerneu> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=16084&start=175
Aug 02 00:42:11 <fxspec06> ok ignt
Aug 02 00:42:50 <fxspec06> this one should let you register just fine. but don't hit it unless you want to register, or you'll have to throw the card away to login, becaus it has no back button right now
Aug 02 00:43:19 <fxspec06> because TP don't support gestures
Aug 02 00:45:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06: received
Aug 02 00:47:01 <fxspec06> cool, i'm done w/ that for the night
Aug 02 00:49:53 <fxspec06> hows it look
Aug 02 00:51:05 * PatrickC wanders in
Aug 02 00:54:41 <PatrickC> fxspec06: like the updates?
Aug 02 01:37:04 <PatrickC> hmm.. my textfield doesn't seem to be passing its contents..
Aug 02 01:38:20 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/Yw2twZSD
Aug 02 01:39:19 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, from where to where?
Aug 02 01:39:34 <PatrickC> from the textbox to the audio object to the button
Aug 02 01:39:45 <PatrickC> but even the mojo.log doesn't show the contents
Aug 02 01:48:25 <PatrickC> got my loaner approval
Aug 02 01:49:00 * NuttyBunny ...
Aug 02 01:52:29 * NuttyBunny wonders if the speed of HP responses are proportional to the number of developers in the country multiplied by the number of apps each developer have :P
Aug 02 01:54:44 <haeffb> rwhitby: you need a copy of the email?
Aug 02 01:55:50 <rwhitby> haeffb: please
Aug 02 02:01:54 <DraX> can i return a future from CommandAssistant.run() in a service?
Aug 02 02:16:37 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: What exactly changed?
Aug 02 02:16:46 <twbbas> oh my bad...
Aug 02 02:17:02 * twbbas just realized IRC was scrolled up and replied to a comment 3 hrs ago :D
Aug 02 02:17:28 <twbbas> Re: to your FB update comment.
Aug 02 02:17:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
Aug 02 02:24:19 <twbbas> did anyone see that webOS roundup article about HP paying devs what the sales reports showed for June?
Aug 02 02:24:31 <twbbas> That's amazing that they did that
Aug 02 02:24:44 <SineOt> yeah
Aug 02 02:25:29 <rwhitby> it's the only way to handle things when you've made an error like that.
Aug 02 02:25:38 <rwhitby> any other way, and you lose the trust of the developers.
Aug 02 02:25:39 <twbbas> yeah, true
Aug 02 02:26:03 <rwhitby> trust by developers that you are going to pay them correctly is something you cannot mess with.
Aug 02 02:26:14 <twbbas> If there was like 1 dude that caused that problem, then I feel bad for him :(
Aug 02 02:26:32 <rwhitby> even a sniff of something wrong will kill you. hence you need to make sure the sentiment is positive.
Aug 02 02:26:41 <twbbas> Yep, for sure.
Aug 02 02:27:01 <twbbas> does anyone know if the sales reports for June are correct now, though?
Aug 02 02:27:27 <twbbas> If they are, then they actually paid me $2 more than I was entitled to :o
Aug 02 02:27:30 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: I got my loaner acceptance!!!!
Aug 02 02:27:49 <PatrickC> I'll be ordering tonight when I get home
Aug 02 02:28:14 <nmcintyre> very happy to see HP do what is right and pay devs what the app catalog claimed
Aug 02 02:29:01 <twbbas> hey nmcintyre
Aug 02 02:29:06 <twbbas> Glad to see you here
Aug 02 02:29:10 <nmcintyre> hey there
Aug 02 02:29:13 <nmcintyre> we know each other?
Aug 02 02:29:15 <PatrickC> twbbas: enyo development should pick up this week kD
Aug 02 02:29:15 <twbbas> I'm @TheTylerBayne on Twitter
Aug 02 02:29:18 <nmcintyre> I presume from twitter perhaps?
Aug 02 02:29:25 <nmcintyre> aha! good to see ya man
Aug 02 02:29:27 <twbbas> PatrickC: Sweet
Aug 02 02:29:37 <twbbas> nmcintyre: Same to you.
Aug 02 02:29:46 <nmcintyre> yah, decided to return to my irc roots
Aug 02 02:29:55 <nmcintyre> been literally a decade since I have used irc heavily though
Aug 02 02:30:01 <PatrickC> wow
Aug 02 02:30:03 <twbbas> haha
Aug 02 02:30:09 <PatrickC> twbbas: got my acceptance email today
Aug 02 02:30:09 <twbbas> that's longer than PatrickC has been alive
Aug 02 02:30:11 <PatrickC> with code
Aug 02 02:30:12 <twbbas> I kid, I kid
Aug 02 02:30:16 <nmcintyre> heh
Aug 02 02:30:16 <PatrickC> hey! lol
Aug 02 02:30:19 <nmcintyre> i am not that old though
Aug 02 02:30:21 <nmcintyre> only 28
Aug 02 02:30:23 <PatrickC> I was 5 then :)
Aug 02 02:30:27 <twbbas> PatrickC: congratulations, Patrick
Aug 02 02:30:33 <PatrickC> thanks
Aug 02 02:30:38 <nmcintyre> grats on the acceptanc
Aug 02 02:30:39 <PatrickC> will order tonight
Aug 02 02:30:50 <nmcintyre> for the record guys, webOS has the best dev community hands down
Aug 02 02:30:59 <twbbas> I gotta check to see if today was my 15th day or tomorrow is and then send a status update depending on which day it was
Aug 02 02:31:01 <PatrickC> (they don't accept Discover.. so I need to find out what card I'm allowed to use.. lol)
Aug 02 02:31:02 <nmcintyre> having done a bit of Android dev and dabbled very briefly with iOS
Aug 02 02:31:08 <nmcintyre> definitely enjoy this crowd
Aug 02 02:31:15 <PatrickC> thanks
Aug 02 02:31:15 <twbbas> nmcintyre: I agree but I don't have that much experience with the other communities
Aug 02 02:31:30 <nmcintyre> also great to see all the younger developers
Aug 02 02:31:37 * twbbas points to PatrickC
Aug 02 02:31:37 <nmcintyre> getting their start in mobile development with webOS
Aug 02 02:32:14 * PatrickC might be 15
Aug 02 02:32:22 <haeffb> rwhitby: Sydney webOS event coming up
Aug 02 02:32:28 <PatrickC> webOSNewbie is the youngest I think
Aug 02 02:32:28 <nmcintyre> hell, when I was 15 all I spent my time doing was playing Diablo and Ultima Online/Everquest :p
Aug 02 02:32:30 <oil> come on hp
Aug 02 02:32:31 <twbbas> Cool! Just got an email from HP about webOS Connect events in Sydney, Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Madrid, Milan and Mexico City.
Aug 02 02:32:35 <oil> wtf is <!developer>
Aug 02 02:32:35 <rwhitby> haeffb: link?
Aug 02 02:32:40 <haeffb> another email...
Aug 02 02:32:44 <PatrickC> twbbas: got the same email
Aug 02 02:32:44 <twbbas> oil: I was thinking the same thing. haha
Aug 02 02:32:49 <nmcintyre> oil: what?
Aug 02 02:32:56 <rwhitby> haeffb: nvm - got that one
Aug 02 02:33:01 <oil> must be marketing guys
Aug 02 02:33:01 <twbbas> nmcintyre: It's in the email that HP just sent out.
Aug 02 02:33:04 <PatrickC> lol thought the same thing
Aug 02 02:33:16 <oil> <!developers> looks cool lets go with that
Aug 02 02:33:23 <Tibfib> nmcintyre: dude diable was so awesome
Aug 02 02:33:36 <oil> because thats gotta be valid for some sort of programming magic the nerds do
Aug 02 02:33:37 <PatrickC> Tibfib: koto is GPL?
Aug 02 02:33:37 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: Mexico City!
Aug 02 02:33:46 <PatrickC> I saw that too :D
Aug 02 02:33:49 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: ^
Aug 02 02:33:50 <twbbas> But ! means not in programming so they are telling us we're not developers. :(
Aug 02 02:33:54 <NuttyBunny> yeah!
Aug 02 02:33:58 <oil> lol
Aug 02 02:33:59 <akanster> whoo NuttyBunny
Aug 02 02:34:02 <NuttyBunny> where? how?
Aug 02 02:34:03 <akanster> they heard you!
Aug 02 02:34:03 <nmcintyre> this suit is black!
Aug 02 02:34:08 <nmcintyre> this suit is !black
Aug 02 02:34:12 <NuttyBunny> email?
Aug 02 02:34:17 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: http://www.hpwebosdeveloper.com/connect/Index.aspx
Aug 02 02:34:19 <nmcintyre> little borat reference for ya
Aug 02 02:34:28 <nmcintyre> I would have preferred <!-- developer -->
Aug 02 02:34:28 * haeffb coming to visit NuttyBunny ....
Aug 02 02:34:30 <Tibfib> PatrickC: if you modified the koto source, you better know the license
Aug 02 02:34:38 <Tibfib> like rwhitby said
Aug 02 02:34:45 <oil> right, at least thats valid markup
Aug 02 02:34:49 <oil> a html comment
Aug 02 02:34:51 <nmcintyre> PatrickC: especially if it is GNU, Stallman might hunt you down and kill you
Aug 02 02:34:59 <NuttyBunny> Oh, yes! I'm there! :D
Aug 02 02:35:31 <nmcintyre> perhaps they are inventing a new tagging lang
Aug 02 02:35:31 <nmcintyre> :p
Aug 02 02:36:34 <twbbas> Ah, I just remembered my professor last semester. He learned somewhere that ! is called "Bang!" by "hackers" and would mention that at least once a week for the majority of the semester.
Aug 02 02:37:05 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I have not modified the source at all just asking
Aug 02 02:37:07 <twbbas> He thought he was so hip
Aug 02 02:37:24 <Tibfib> PatrickC: haven't you? You've asked me lots of questions
Aug 02 02:37:29 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 02 02:37:44 <PatrickC> I tried before. but that was before I learned about licenses
Aug 02 02:37:46 <SineOt> probably because ! is an known as a bang in like, everything, forever @_@
Aug 02 02:38:00 <nmcintyre> any devs here from Idaho?
Aug 02 02:38:04 <nmcintyre> perhaps the Boise area?
Aug 02 02:38:09 <oil> its because #! is a "shebang"?
Aug 02 02:38:26 <nmcintyre> #!/usr/bin/perl
Aug 02 02:38:37 <nmcintyre> =)
Aug 02 02:38:37 <SineOt> if you really want to be hip you've got to reference the interrobang
Aug 02 02:38:47 <oil> meh
Aug 02 02:39:05 <Tibfib> PatrickC: that is not an excuse
Aug 02 02:39:14 <summatusmentis> lolol
Aug 02 02:39:20 <Tibfib> because you didn't "know" about licenses, they don't apply, right?
Aug 02 02:39:23 <summatusmentis> oh, that's way delayed, nvm
Aug 02 02:39:27 <PatrickC> I didn't know anything about licenses before today
Aug 02 02:39:32 <oil> lol
Aug 02 02:39:36 <PatrickC> I never really got far either
Aug 02 02:39:37 <Tibfib> smh
Aug 02 02:39:43 <PatrickC> don't think I got anywhere
Aug 02 02:39:44 <nmcintyre> PatrickC: welcome to the world of open source development
Aug 02 02:39:52 <PatrickC> yeah.. lol
Aug 02 02:39:56 <twbbas> PatrickC already released a paid version of Koto 2
Aug 02 02:39:59 <nmcintyre> you will be forced to live and die by open source licenses
Aug 02 02:40:06 <nmcintyre> personally, I stick to a modified MIT
Aug 02 02:40:06 <PatrickC> twbbas: shhhh
Aug 02 02:40:09 <nmcintyre> when I release stuff
Aug 02 02:40:17 <Tibfib> PatrickC: that's why you always look at teh "README" in the stuff
Aug 02 02:40:23 <twbbas> :p
Aug 02 02:40:24 <PatrickC> I use code from GPL apps.. so I'm stuck to GPL
Aug 02 02:40:30 <nmcintyre> yah
Aug 02 02:40:36 <nmcintyre> GPL is a pain imho
Aug 02 02:40:41 <nmcintyre> not permissive enough
Aug 02 02:40:50 <Tibfib> I picked GPL because originally I was going to use another GPL component in koto
Aug 02 02:40:52 <Tibfib> but I never did
Aug 02 02:40:55 <PatrickC> I might not use said code from apps though...
Aug 02 02:41:05 <twbbas> Woah! rwhitby is quoted in Pivot
Aug 02 02:41:05 <nmcintyre> never heard of Koto
Aug 02 02:41:07 <nmcintyre> what is it?
Aug 02 02:41:13 <Tibfib> music player for 2.x
Aug 02 02:41:14 <oil> something to be touched
Aug 02 02:41:15 <PatrickC> music player
Aug 02 02:41:18 <nmcintyre> congrats rwhitby
Aug 02 02:41:23 <nmcintyre> ah, gotcha
Aug 02 02:41:24 <Tibfib> what oil said ^
Aug 02 02:41:25 <NuttyBunny> yeeeeah! :D  Thanks guys!
Aug 02 02:41:29 <rwhitby> heh, that was a 2am phone call at my end :)
Aug 02 02:41:37 * NuttyBunny hops around again
Aug 02 02:41:45 <twbbas> stop hopping, more coding.
Aug 02 02:41:46 <nmcintyre> rwhitby: with great fame, comes great sacrifice =p
Aug 02 02:41:52 * rwhitby bbl
Aug 02 02:42:15 <oil> rwhitby? he wrote webos quick install, right?
Aug 02 02:42:18 <nmcintyre> btw, if any devs would want to help flesh out www.weboswiki.com please do so
Aug 02 02:42:21 <nmcintyre> could use some more tutorials
Aug 02 02:42:32 <Tibfib> oil: no I think he wrote filecoaster
Aug 02 02:42:35 <twbbas> oh man... huge typo of webOS in the Homebrew article...
Aug 02 02:42:43 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: yes, coding, photofun awaits :)
Aug 02 02:42:52 <nmcintyre> twbbas: you mean "the webos" right?
Aug 02 02:42:55 <twbbas> "But the WebOs homebrewer's profile..."
Aug 02 02:43:17 <nmcintyre> updating my TP now
Aug 02 02:43:23 <nmcintyre> how is life in 3.0.2
Aug 02 02:43:32 <nmcintyre> on hardware with final release
Aug 02 02:43:39 <Tibfib> twbbas: that's not 'huge'
Aug 02 02:43:45 <PatrickC> nmcintyre: why not use webos101? j/w
Aug 02 02:44:09 <nmcintyre> i didnt know webos101 was around
Aug 02 02:44:18 <nmcintyre> and being excited that i actually got weboswiki.com
Aug 02 02:44:26 <nmcintyre> i had already installed mediawiki and set it up
Aug 02 02:44:32 <oil> lol
Aug 02 02:44:35 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 02 02:44:37 <nmcintyre> figured I would focus it for 3.0 or greater
Aug 02 02:44:39 <nmcintyre> =)
Aug 02 02:44:41 <akanster> whoa! t-shirt size?
Aug 02 02:44:52 <PatrickC> nmcintyre: I'm game to help out,
Aug 02 02:44:55 <oil> registering for webos event there akanster ?
Aug 02 02:45:11 <nmcintyre> PatrickC: the site is open for registration and page creation
Aug 02 02:45:11 <akanster> oil: just looking at the form
Aug 02 02:45:25 <oil> they asked that for nyc event, handed out "webos developer" bowling-style shirts
Aug 02 02:45:26 * akanster will be attending the one this Friday tho :)
Aug 02 02:46:39 <twbbas> lol bowling-style?
Aug 02 02:46:49 <twbbas> is that what I think it is? :D
Aug 02 02:46:52 <oil> i wasnt sure how to phrase it
Aug 02 02:46:54 <oil> its like a bowling shirt
Aug 02 02:47:03 <twbbas> yup lol
Aug 02 02:47:04 <oil> but says webos nyc dev conference on the sleve
Aug 02 02:47:14 <twbbas> http://www.2t2t.com/store/catimg/Mod-70s-style-Bowling-Shirt.jpg
Aug 02 02:47:21 <oil> yeah
Aug 02 02:47:25 <twbbas> lol
Aug 02 02:47:26 <oil> but, only colored on the corners
Aug 02 02:47:28 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 02 02:47:31 <oil> not all the way down
Aug 02 02:47:34 <oil> its blue
Aug 02 02:47:36 <twbbas> wear it proud!
Aug 02 02:47:41 <oil> with white over the shoulder
Aug 02 02:48:01 <twbbas> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/5199840477_37564d84ff.jpg
Aug 02 02:48:05 <twbbas> oh that doesn't look that bad at all
Aug 02 02:48:08 <rwatkins> dev connect workshops - nothing in the US?
Aug 02 02:48:09 <twbbas> looks kinda good :D
Aug 02 02:48:10 <oil> yeah
Aug 02 02:48:13 <oil> like thats
Aug 02 02:48:16 <oil> exactly
Aug 02 02:48:17 <oil> lol
Aug 02 02:48:21 <twbbas> (that's an image from nyc dev day)
Aug 02 02:48:23 <oil> i know
Aug 02 02:48:25 <twbbas> k
Aug 02 02:48:27 <oil> thats acarback on the left
Aug 02 02:48:31 <twbbas> rwatkins: I was bummed too
Aug 02 02:48:39 <oil> dunno who is on the right
Aug 02 02:49:00 <rwatkins> like WTF?
Aug 02 02:49:32 * Tibfib weeps at his lake of iOS device: http://toucharcade.com/2011/08/01/final-fantasy-tactics-hits-this-thursday-according-to-squares-euro-blog/
Aug 02 02:49:51 <twbbas> lake -> lack?
Aug 02 02:50:02 * oil goes foraging for food
Aug 02 02:50:05 <Tibfib> my lake and lack
Aug 02 02:50:18 <haeffb> oil: because they took you to a bowling alley
Aug 02 02:50:25 <oil> haeffb: you too
Aug 02 02:50:27 <oil> or did you not go
Aug 02 02:50:34 <oil> i almost didnt
Aug 02 02:50:38 <haeffb> no, I had to take a cab. Missed the bus. :)
Aug 02 02:50:42 <oil> heh
Aug 02 02:50:50 * oil is really going to get food now
Aug 02 02:51:42 <twbbas> I really want to hit up a webOS workshop or CONNECT event some time
Aug 02 02:51:49 * haeffb had a lake of iOS devices once. Do NOT jump off the high dive.
Aug 02 02:51:51 <twbbas> but, I can't afford to travel to CA
Aug 02 02:52:01 <haeffb> go to Madrid instead
Aug 02 02:52:11 <Tibfib> oil: COME BACK TO US
Aug 02 02:52:40 * haeffb ordered two cheap ($10.99) touchpad cases on amazon today
Aug 02 02:52:50 <twbbas> Let's all start talking about the oil spill now :p
Aug 02 02:53:02 <PatrickC> that oil spill was bad
Aug 02 02:53:05 <twbbas> haeffb: What?!?! Official HP or no?
Aug 02 02:53:08 <haeffb> she needs a case so she can take her TP out of the house
Aug 02 02:53:19 <haeffb> no, third-party aftermarket
Aug 02 02:53:25 <twbbas> Ah, makes sense.
Aug 02 02:53:29 <PatrickC> Touchstones are $80?
Aug 02 02:53:33 <twbbas> Yep
Aug 02 02:53:34 <PatrickC> ^ touchpad
Aug 02 02:53:36 <haeffb> two different brands. I'll report on their suitability
Aug 02 02:53:37 <PatrickC> :/
Aug 02 02:53:50 <PatrickC> twbbas: I'll give you $20 :)
Aug 02 02:53:53 <haeffb> and/or lack thereof
Aug 02 02:54:14 <Tibfib> why is webOS not here: http://en.support.wordpress.com/apps/
Aug 02 02:54:37 <PatrickC> that's 1 app I def. will have
Aug 02 02:54:56 <twbbas> Tibfib: Because they took the cue of Spotify.
Aug 02 02:55:03 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: question
Aug 02 02:55:13 <haeffb> Tibfib: It's a wiki...edit it.
Aug 02 02:55:27 <haeffb> (Ok, it's not a wiki, but I bet if you tried hard enough....)
Aug 02 02:57:33 <akanster> Tibfib: Time for a strongly worded email!
Aug 02 02:57:36 <akanster> :)
Aug 02 02:57:53 <twbbas> I'm gonna ask for an update on the 3.0.x cookie bug on the dev forums
Aug 02 02:59:19 <Tibfib> akanster: I don't think I have ever sent a strongly worded email in my life
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