**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 04 02:59:57 2011
Aug 04 03:02:24 <Tibfib> bbl or tomorrow
Aug 04 03:31:06 <PuffTheMagic> funkatron, ping
Aug 04 03:32:21 <funkatron> hello sir
Aug 04 03:34:13 <PuffTheMagic> see pm
Aug 04 03:38:29 <NuttyBunny> bbl
Aug 04 04:41:53 <DraX> pretty basic: http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/gmaps.png
Aug 04 04:43:05 <akanster> you finally got google maps to show up in an iframe?
Aug 04 04:43:12 <akanster> enyo.IFrame?
Aug 04 04:43:15 <DraX> not an iframe, a webview, so event propogation is meh
Aug 04 04:43:19 <DraX> at least scrolling works
Aug 04 04:43:20 <rwhitby> DraX: I would love a gmaps with transit support that would work on a Pre 3 and TouchPad
Aug 04 04:43:42 <DraX> rwhitby: http://maps.google.com/?ui=maps_mini
Aug 04 04:43:55 <DraX> that should give you everything you need
Aug 04 04:44:07 <DraX> the layers menu has transit
Aug 04 04:45:40 <DraX> rwhitby: i've also sent out a code review so that maps.google.com defaults to that
Aug 04 04:45:56 <rwhitby> sweet
Aug 04 04:46:45 <DraX> and no promises but i'm going to try and get the interaction working better (double-tap to zoom, back/forward gestures, etc)
Aug 04 04:47:34 <DraX> i don't buy this whole bing maps thing :)
Aug 04 04:48:11 <rwhitby> DraX: neither do I, especially cause Bing does not have transit for my city
Aug 04 04:48:34 <akanster> how long is the app submission process these days?
Aug 04 04:48:39 <DraX> so maps_mini is defintly something i recommend
Aug 04 04:48:51 <DraX> it pretty much works, it's just to the point of needing some polishing
Aug 04 04:48:56 <DraX> instead of being basically useless
Aug 04 04:49:27 <DraX> i just tried the transit stuff myself. :)
Aug 04 04:49:33 <DraX> it works for SF at least
Aug 04 04:50:25 <PuffTheMagic> so there are some thing about bing maps that are missing
Aug 04 04:50:46 <PuffTheMagic> but bings maps are more up to date
Aug 04 04:50:55 <PuffTheMagic> and google never updated their buggy app
Aug 04 04:51:05 <PuffTheMagic> so i hope there are better things to come with bing
Aug 04 04:52:42 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: Microsoft will have the same business drivers as Google had to prefer their own mobile platform, so don't hold your breath.
Aug 04 04:54:03 <DraX> yeah, and maps_mini is trying to unifiy the UI/development for non-android
Aug 04 04:54:09 <DraX> so that it stays up to date, etc
Aug 04 04:54:37 <dwc-> 21:48 < DraX> it works for SF at least
Aug 04 04:54:43 <dwc-> it works for muni at least
Aug 04 04:54:56 <dwc-> not caltrain, not bart, not samtrans
Aug 04 04:55:05 <DraX> i don't ride any of those :P
Aug 04 04:55:34 <dwc-> yea, but that makes it fairly useless for people around here
Aug 04 04:55:42 <PuffTheMagic> cant we make our own gmaps app
Aug 04 04:55:46 <PuffTheMagic> their api is open isnt it?
Aug 04 04:55:50 <DraX> dwc-: around where?
Aug 04 04:55:50 <dwc-> sure
Aug 04 04:55:56 <dwc-> san francisco....
Aug 04 04:56:15 <DraX> dwc-: i live in sf and only ride muni
Aug 04 04:56:31 <dwc-> oh, so you're one of those people that never leaves? (or drives when you do)
Aug 04 04:56:34 <oil> PuffTheMagic: make a patch for the tp maps app xD
Aug 04 04:56:52 <DraX> dwc-: unless you count google shuttle, yup
Aug 04 04:56:55 <DraX> i don't know how to drive
Aug 04 04:56:56 <PuffTheMagic> oil, a patch for what?
Aug 04 04:57:00 <PuffTheMagic> turn bing in to gmaps?
Aug 04 04:57:04 <oil> yeah
Aug 04 04:57:07 <PuffTheMagic> rather make it from scratch
Aug 04 04:57:11 <rwhitby> call it gnib
Aug 04 04:57:18 <PuffTheMagic> now that im an enyoexpert ;)
Aug 04 04:57:54 * oil is shocked that rwhitby didn't suggest mappah or something
Aug 04 04:57:58 <rwhitby> "GNIB Never Instances Bing"
Aug 04 04:58:00 <DraX> maps_mini is better for touchpad than the normal maps API would be. it's actually designed to work on tablets...
Aug 04 04:58:31 <rwhitby> oil: acronym recursion > -ah
Aug 04 04:58:37 <oil> haha, true
Aug 04 04:58:43 <oil> anthing > -ah
Aug 04 04:59:12 <DraX> dwc-: occasionally i'll go to berkeley or something, but not in a situation where i need to know when bart is coming
Aug 04 04:59:45 <oil> he'll be there on his skateboard to give you a ride?
Aug 04 05:00:45 <rwhitby> eat my shorts berkeley
Aug 04 05:01:17 <dwc-> be careful
Aug 04 05:01:25 <dwc-> they'll let anyone walk around without pants
Aug 04 05:03:09 <akanster> +100 if you are homeless
Aug 04 05:03:17 <PuffTheMagic> oil, Navigatah
Aug 04 05:03:47 <oil> nice
Aug 04 05:22:33 <NuttyBunny> crap, too sleepy to continue... so close... gotta continue tomorrow.. c-ya
Aug 04 06:01:22 <PatrickC> hey all
Aug 04 06:02:28 <PatrickC> anyone here who can kick an account that's mine that shouldn't be logged on still?
Aug 04 06:07:52 <PatrickC> nvm
Aug 04 06:08:05 <dwc-> you can
Aug 04 06:08:25 <dwc-> talk to nickserv
Aug 04 06:08:35 <PatrickC> dwc-: tried to, it might have worked, or the nick might have logged out
Aug 04 06:08:49 <PatrickC> gry was here to fix it, and it was already fixed
Aug 04 06:10:38 <PatrickC> its dead tonight.. I'm off to bed.. night all
Aug 04 09:45:05 <jjhhff> hi
Aug 04 09:45:45 <jjhhff> how to limit inputtext to one in enyo what's the property
Aug 04 09:45:54 <jjhhff> for it
Aug 04 10:02:46 <phoque> I am not sure if there is a way to do that
Aug 04 10:03:04 <phoque> let me check the docs for a second
Aug 04 10:03:42 <phoque> nope
Aug 04 10:03:50 <phoque> but you could create a keydown listener
Aug 04 10:03:57 <phoque> that checks the entered string lenth
Aug 04 10:03:58 <phoque> length
Aug 04 10:04:08 <phoque> and prevents the user from typing in any more characters
Aug 04 12:45:13 <loonyshuttle> hi i have an question about my palm pixi can you help me?
Aug 04 12:45:26 <hotdp> what is it?
Aug 04 12:46:28 <loonyshuttle> so, i try to connect me with the phone via SSH an WLan and putty shows me the login but after this nothing happend :/
Aug 04 12:47:18 <hotdp> i ca't help you with that
Aug 04 12:47:23 <loonyshuttle> :(
Aug 04 12:47:24 <hotdp> *can't
Aug 04 12:47:30 <loonyshuttle> why not? :D
Aug 04 12:47:39 <hotdp> because i have never used it
Aug 04 12:47:48 <loonyshuttle> oh ok
Aug 04 12:48:14 <loonyshuttle> someone did?
Aug 04 12:50:53 <loonyshuttle> @ hotdp, anyway did you use the terminal on you phone?
Aug 04 12:51:03 <loonyshuttle> your*
Aug 04 12:52:07 <hotdp> nope
Aug 04 12:52:13 <loonyshuttle> -.-"
Aug 04 12:52:45 <loonyshuttle> but it is soooo funny :D
Aug 04 13:34:25 <matbee> guten morgen folks
Aug 04 13:34:56 <hotdp> godmorgen
Aug 04 13:35:00 <esser> gruess gott, wie gehts
Aug 04 14:31:22 <matbee> has anyone made an .ipk of the latest beta jquerymobile test?
Aug 04 14:31:54 <matbee> w/ phonegap
Aug 04 14:32:10 <matbee> well, i suppose phonegap isn't 'needed'
Aug 04 14:32:30 <hotdp> I use PhoneGap often
Aug 04 14:32:35 <hotdp> but with Sencha Touch
Aug 04 14:37:32 <hotdp> don't know if that is any help?
Aug 04 14:38:45 <matbee> I just want to see the demo of jquerymobile beta 2 on my pre 2
Aug 04 14:39:21 <hotdp> I see
Aug 04 14:39:32 <hotdp> Just visit the page in your browser
Aug 04 14:39:34 <hotdp> its the same
Aug 04 14:39:43 <matbee> no, as an app.
Aug 04 14:39:51 <hotdp> Why?
Aug 04 14:40:00 <hotdp> Its "the same"
Aug 04 14:40:05 <matbee> no "it isnt"
Aug 04 14:40:12 <matbee> what about scrolling?
Aug 04 14:40:22 <matbee> that doesn't behave the same
Aug 04 14:40:25 <hotdp> ahh, maybe there are som jquery problem
Aug 04 14:40:29 <hotdp> sencha touch is the same
Aug 04 14:40:31 <hotdp> sorry
Aug 04 14:40:35 <matbee> that's what I mean
Aug 04 14:40:39 <matbee> I want to see it as an app
Aug 04 14:40:43 <hotdp> ok
Aug 04 14:40:51 <hotdp> did not know jquery was different
Aug 04 14:40:56 <hotdp> they are both js frameworks
Aug 04 14:41:08 <matbee> yeah, webos's browser != app
Aug 04 14:41:15 <hotdp> lol
Aug 04 14:41:16 <hotdp> ok
Aug 04 14:41:17 <matbee> yeah its webkit, but they're not equal
Aug 04 14:41:28 <Tibfib> you can make an app be the same apparently
Aug 04 14:41:37 <Tibfib> there's a forum post somewhere
Aug 04 14:41:42 <matbee> lol
Aug 04 14:41:46 <matbee> i hate that
Aug 04 14:41:47 <Tibfib> </very helpful suggestion>
Aug 04 14:41:57 <matbee> theres something out there somewhere to help you do what you want --- i think
Aug 04 14:41:57 <matbee> :P
Aug 04 14:42:02 <Tibfib> :)
Aug 04 14:51:57 <matbee> oo la la, jqm is using the same popup animation that i was using
Aug 04 15:27:08 <PatrickC> morning all
Aug 04 15:27:15 <AtomicPlayboy> Mornin'
Aug 04 15:28:03 <PatrickC> how's it goin?
Aug 04 15:36:28 <apeshimam> Hi I have a quick question. I want to develop something using media capture and I found out that this is available in the latest OTA update. How can I go about getting my development environment set up to have the latest OTA. I hunted around for some documentation but didnt find any
Aug 04 15:51:07 <PatrickC> apeshimam: what device(s) do you have?
Aug 04 15:51:59 <apeshimam> right now none :) but Im going to be getting the HP touchpad
Aug 04 15:52:08 <apeshimam> im looking to build specifically for tablets
Aug 04 15:53:15 <PatrickC> then you should download the SDK (not sure if the 3.0.2 sdk has been released yet)
Aug 04 15:53:25 <PatrickC> for media capture, I believe you need a live device
Aug 04 15:53:34 <PatrickC> but I could be wrong
Aug 04 15:54:14 <apeshimam> yeah i just got dl-ed the sdk
Aug 04 15:54:18 <apeshimam> but it's still rev 3.0
Aug 04 15:54:32 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 04 15:54:48 <PatrickC> sugardave: any eta on the 3.0.2 sdk?
Aug 04 15:54:51 <apeshimam> i realize i'll need a device shortly but i was hoping to be able to at least get started without one
Aug 04 15:54:52 <PatrickC> or halfhalo-work
Aug 04 15:55:13 <PatrickC> you should be able to get the main UI done without a device
Aug 04 15:55:19 <sugardave> there probably is an ETA
Aug 04 15:55:37 * halfhalo-work dunnos anything about anything
Aug 04 15:55:59 <sugardave> halfhalo-work: how's the job?
Aug 04 15:56:02 <PatrickC> sugardave: when do you think it'll come out of NDA?
Aug 04 15:56:06 <halfhalo-work> shiny
Aug 04 15:56:15 <Tibfib> 3.0.2 nda should be lifted soon
Aug 04 15:56:24 <halfhalo-work> only 20 more days though :(
Aug 04 15:56:26 <PatrickC> that's what I'm thinking
Aug 04 15:56:37 <Tibfib> Palm did well with 3.0, they need to continue
Aug 04 15:56:49 <sugardave> halfhalo-work: better get to impressin'!
Aug 04 15:56:51 <Tibfib> PatrickC: should as in they should, not that they are
Aug 04 15:57:08 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 04 15:57:20 <halfhalo-work> sugardave: i'm a trying.  but stuff I can impress with is few and far between
Aug 04 15:57:45 <sugardave> get Ares 2 to RC status...that's impressive :D
Aug 04 15:57:50 <apeshimam> so sounds like a little more time before API will be published and a beta will be released
Aug 04 15:57:50 <apeshimam> ?
Aug 04 15:58:00 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 04 15:58:05 <apeshimam> k
Aug 04 15:58:07 <apeshimam> thanks PatrickC
Aug 04 15:58:11 <Tibfib> sugardave: aren't you supposed to get Ares 2 to RC?
Aug 04 15:58:13 <PatrickC> no problem
Aug 04 15:58:16 <Tibfib> like un-nda-ing enyo
Aug 04 15:58:36 <sugardave> apeshimam: might as well sign up for the full dev account and request to be in the early access program
Aug 04 15:58:45 <sugardave> Tibfib: that's above my pay-grade ;)
Aug 04 15:58:54 <Tibfib> oooh, better idea: sugardave: OPEN SOURCE/CROSS-PLATFORM license ENYO
Aug 04 15:59:04 <sugardave> I'm a fan
Aug 04 15:59:15 <rwatkins> please no
Aug 04 15:59:34 <apeshimam> thanks sugardave  I'll do just that :)
Aug 04 15:59:47 <sugardave> oh come on....Enyo delivered via web server?  awesome
Aug 04 15:59:54 <rwatkins> or do so with the disclaimer that enyo is only built to support webOS webkit.
Aug 04 16:00:09 <Tibfib> sugardave: DO IT sugardave; DON'T LISTEN TO THE NAYSAYERS
Aug 04 16:00:23 <sugardave> hehe
Aug 04 16:00:36 <sugardave> hi Adora
Aug 04 16:00:36 <rwatkins> I'd rather devs spend a few hours building a reorderable virtual list, than debugging why something broke in IE8.
Aug 04 16:01:11 <sugardave> rwatkins: I would hope that if we release Enyo wider we disclaim for webkit only...ie *shudder*
Aug 04 16:01:22 <rwatkins> webkit only also not good enough
Aug 04 16:01:32 <sugardave> for now
Aug 04 16:01:34 <rwatkins> I dont want "well it works in webOS but not Sarfari".
Aug 04 16:01:41 <sugardave> sure
Aug 04 16:02:01 <rwatkins> no, meaning I would prefer HP dev not work on fixing Safari or Chrome issues either.
Aug 04 16:02:57 <rwatkins> work on making it kick ass for webOS, and to hell with the other platforms.  unless you've got like too many developers to keep them busy.
Aug 04 16:02:59 <rwatkins> which .. i doubt.
Aug 04 16:03:14 * sugardave pleads the fif.
Aug 04 16:03:16 <rwatkins> brb
Aug 04 16:03:20 <Tibfib> rwatkins: they have already done stuff for cross-platform
Aug 04 16:03:32 <Tibfib> they'd have to shift focus
Aug 04 16:03:39 <Tibfib> to do what you want them to do
Aug 04 16:05:16 <apeshimam> sugardave:  the "full dev account" is the certified developer account?
Aug 04 16:05:34 <sugardave> apeshimam: that should be....it's been a while since I signed up :D
Aug 04 16:05:44 <apeshimam> thanks :)
Aug 04 16:08:08 <PatrickC> anyone use Evernote?
Aug 04 16:11:22 <rwatkins> Tibfib: I'm just saying there are limited developer hours.  I'd rather those hours focus on working on webOS, not other platforms.
Aug 04 16:11:34 <Tibfib> rwatkins: yeah, I agree there
Aug 04 16:11:44 <Tibfib> from what I've heard, it works pretty well already on other platforms
Aug 04 16:12:11 <rwatkins> hours already spent are .. gone.  But if there are two bugs "scroller is slow in Safari" and "new scroller feature" - I want the latter.
Aug 04 16:12:19 <Tibfib> me too I think
Aug 04 16:13:22 <PatrickC> what note app(s) do you guys use on webos?
Aug 04 16:14:01 <ianbeck> TapNote, but I'm probably not the person to ask (given that I developed TapNote) :-)
Aug 04 16:14:05 <Tibfib> memos
Aug 04 16:14:25 <Tibfib> I hate typing on my phone, so I rarely do
Aug 04 16:14:30 <Tibfib> when I do, memos is fine enough for me
Aug 04 16:14:43 <PatrickC> ianbeck: really? cool
Aug 04 16:14:50 <Tibfib> I've heard TapNotes and Notes and Noted are good
Aug 04 16:15:15 <ianbeck> TapNote: Dropbox sync. Notes: rich text, reminder, images inline. Noted: SimpleText sync
Aug 04 16:15:22 <ianbeck> Depends on what your needs/priorities are
Aug 04 16:15:35 <PatrickC> I have TapNote lite.. but don't really want to pay $5.00.. sorry :/
Aug 04 16:15:50 <PatrickC> I just need a note app that supports categories and syncs between devices
Aug 04 16:16:15 <ianbeck> Noted (PondNotes on TouchPad) might be worth looking into, then
Aug 04 16:16:26 <PatrickC> I have Noted! Beta..
Aug 04 16:16:31 <ianbeck> The SimpleText service offers categories/synching
Aug 04 16:18:22 <PatrickC> right now I'm using CloudMemos
Aug 04 16:21:25 <Tibfib> wooot. spaz hd is shaping up nicely
Aug 04 16:23:44 <PatrickC> destinal: you around?
Aug 04 16:24:34 <akanster> PatrickC: wanna test an enyo exhibition app on your phone :)
Aug 04 16:24:49 <PatrickC> sure! :)
Aug 04 16:25:13 <akanster> one min
Aug 04 16:25:19 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 04 16:27:39 <stri8ed> Question: When upgrading my dev.palm account to be able to submit apps, What should I put for company name if I have none?
Aug 04 16:28:00 <Tibfib> your name
Aug 04 16:28:29 <stri8ed> Cool. Thanks
Aug 04 16:53:44 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> hi!
Aug 04 16:55:55 <PatrickC> I found my new favorite game..
Aug 04 16:57:21 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Spirit?
Aug 04 16:57:34 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny_: probably not, PatrickC doesn't pay for anything
Aug 04 16:58:02 <PatrickC> Vector Conflict
Aug 04 16:58:15 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Tibfib: But he is beta tester for everything
Aug 04 16:58:16 <dwc-> hmm, reports are of another price drop on 16gb touchpads for the weekend
Aug 04 16:58:17 <PatrickC> the developer is running a promo for it
Aug 04 16:58:46 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny_Pre2: true
Aug 04 16:58:49 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> dwc-: Yes, 100 bucks... still pricier that a 25% discount for green belts
Aug 04 16:59:02 <Tibfib> with 16 less gb's
Aug 04 16:59:50 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> But the Staples promo applies for 16 and 32Gb models
Aug 04 16:59:54 <dwc-> NuttyBunny_Pre2: yea, but there's some of us who don't even get that
Aug 04 17:01:21 <dwc-> it's been suggested officemax will also have it for 399, and some people in the past have had luck applying pricematches at staples (to $399) with staples coupons ($-100)
Aug 04 17:01:47 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> dwc-: Like me... chuqui hasn't whipped the geeks enough to contact me on my belt. I started using suspenders
Aug 04 17:02:33 <chuqui> NuttyBunny_Pre2: doing what I can. obviously not enough.
Aug 04 17:04:08 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> chuqui: as I told you before, I know it's not your fault but theirs :)   But since nuttycam crashes the mediaserver on my phone, I'm using beta testers to help me on that ;)
Aug 04 17:04:37 <PatrickC> nuttycam :D
Aug 04 17:05:11 <PatrickC> NuttyCam®©™
Aug 04 17:05:14 <dwc-> why does that sound ... not family friendly
Aug 04 17:06:28 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> LOL
Aug 04 17:07:29 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> nutty as in"nuts", going nuts... of course my nick is about nutty as in naughty, but people can think whatever they can... but I "may" change the name
Aug 04 17:09:01 <PatrickC> ugh.. I have too many pages of apps :/
Aug 04 17:09:32 <PatrickC> 13 app pages.. full of apps :/
Aug 04 17:09:42 <PatrickC> time to go thru and clean house :)
Aug 04 17:11:09 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> I'm not that organized... I have 4: Apps, games, homebrew and system
Aug 04 17:12:12 <PatrickC> I have too many lol
Aug 04 17:12:13 <Tibfib> and you don't even pay for stuff
Aug 04 17:12:18 <PatrickC> Tibfib: nope
Aug 04 17:12:26 <PatrickC> and I get all my stuff legally too
Aug 04 17:12:43 <Tibfib> right
Aug 04 17:19:26 <PatrickC> went thru and cleaned out the apps I never use
Aug 04 17:19:37 <PatrickC> still 13 pages.. about to be 14.. but ohwell
Aug 04 17:21:48 <Tibfib_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gGG9JGTtZQ
Aug 04 17:21:54 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> 14 pages with 12 apps each? or 9 apps each? how are they organized?
Aug 04 17:22:20 <PatrickC> 14 pages with some pages scrolling down
Aug 04 17:22:42 * Tibfib_ has like 6 pages
Aug 04 17:23:44 <Tibfib_> ah 7
Aug 04 17:23:53 <Tibfib_> my last one is for ones I only want to show up when I type it in
Aug 04 17:23:59 <Tibfib_> bbl
Aug 04 17:24:48 <PatrickC> General Apps, Clocks, Games, Enyo, Notes/Memos, Stock Apps, Camera/Photos/Wallpaper, Bibles, webOS Internals, Weather, Music, Maps, Extra Stuff, System
Aug 04 17:27:25 <Loudergood_> one just for clocks? lol
Aug 04 17:27:37 <PatrickC> 207 apps total
Aug 04 17:27:57 <PatrickC> Loudergood_: there is 6 apps on that page :)
Aug 04 17:28:11 <PatrickC> I got tired of scrolling thru 1 page to find my apps
Aug 04 17:53:39 <PuffTheMagic> so Tide should be hitting the testing feed soon
Aug 04 17:54:06 <PuffTheMagic> next build cycle
Aug 04 17:54:13 <PuffTheMagic> or the one after that
Aug 04 17:54:18 <PuffTheMagic> when ever it decides
Aug 04 18:30:30 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: which feed? armv7? and will it be tagged tp only?
Aug 04 18:30:56 <PuffTheMagic> there is no C code
Aug 04 18:31:04 <PuffTheMagic> so i till be in the all feed
Aug 04 18:31:14 <PuffTheMagic> but its marked as webos 3.0.0 min
Aug 04 18:31:25 <PuffTheMagic> and it cant build till node gets installed on the autobuilder
Aug 04 18:31:29 <PuffTheMagic> so might be a little bit
Aug 04 18:31:34 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 04 18:31:42 <PatrickC> lemme know, I want to try it out :)
Aug 04 18:35:42 <DraX> Tide?
Aug 04 18:42:32 <loonyshuttle> wie kann ich mein pixi plus komplett zurrücksetzen? also nicht nur wipe
Aug 04 18:44:21 <loonyshuttle> how can i reset my pixi plus completly? not only the Internal space wipe option?
Aug 04 18:45:38 <PatrickC> DraX: TIDE (TouchPad IDE)
Aug 04 18:45:56 <DraX> ah, neat
Aug 04 18:47:14 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 04 18:50:06 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic is making it, and it looks awesome
Aug 04 18:50:43 <PuffTheMagic> just added syntax highlighting support for OCaml, Scala, SCAD and Groovy
Aug 04 18:54:55 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> loonyshuttle: Full Erase? webOS Doctor? :)
Aug 04 18:56:35 <funkatron> bawesome!
Aug 04 18:59:18 <PatrickC> Adora!!
Aug 04 18:59:32 <rwatkins> ugh, must be able to turn off emoticons in SpazHD.
Aug 04 19:00:05 <NuttyBunny> Adora!!!
Aug 04 19:00:11 <NuttyBunny> Rah! Rah! Rah!
Aug 04 19:00:21 <Jack87> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/288959-ide-touchpad.html
Aug 04 19:01:20 <Tibfib_> rwatkins: YOU CAN NOT HAVE NO EMOTICONS
Aug 04 19:01:26 <PatrickC> Jack87: is it your app? I thought it was PuffTheMagic's?
Aug 04 19:01:41 <rwatkins> *sigh*
Aug 04 19:02:00 <Tibfib_> rwatkins: nah, I'll add in tonight
Aug 04 19:02:02 <Tibfib_> if I remember ;)
Aug 04 19:02:11 <Jack87> it is PuffTheMagic's
Aug 04 19:02:12 <Tibfib_> s/in/in an option/
Aug 04 19:02:17 <rwatkins> patch to totally remove emoticons.  have them get converted then display: none any img in a tweet.
Aug 04 19:02:21 * Jack87 spreading the word
Aug 04 19:02:32 <rwatkins> so no stupid smilies
Aug 04 19:02:33 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 04 19:02:34 <Jack87> as there is already requests for it
Aug 04 19:02:34 <Tibfib_> rwatkins: probably not
Aug 04 19:02:43 <Tibfib_> rwatkins: just whether to use fancy emoticon
Aug 04 19:02:43 <Tibfib_> s
Aug 04 19:02:51 <rwatkins> Tibfib_: ya, agree
Aug 04 19:03:18 <Jack87> PatrickC, there cleared it up :)
Aug 04 19:03:19 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: ya
Aug 04 19:03:53 <PatrickC> Jack87: lol
Aug 04 19:04:19 * PatrickC can't wait for it to be in the feeds, and not having to run 'make prepare'
Aug 04 19:04:46 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: has it been tested on a phone yet?
Aug 04 19:05:29 <NuttyBunny_Pixi> PatrickC: you tested TIDE on your phone, didn't you?
Aug 04 19:05:37 <PatrickC> tried to
Aug 04 19:05:41 <Tibfib_> hahaahah
Aug 04 19:05:44 <PatrickC> but could get 'make prepare' to run
Aug 04 19:11:02 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC: no i havent tested it on the phone, is a TouchPad IDE
Aug 04 19:11:16 <PuffTheMagic> i dont even have a 2.x phone let alone one that runs enyo
Aug 04 19:19:22 <NuttyBunny_Pixi> PuffTheMagic: Every webOS phone can run enyo to some extent ;)  hehehe
Aug 04 19:19:52 * NuttyBunny_Pixi will install enyo to his 2.1 Pixi and play with photofun :D
Aug 04 19:20:25 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 04 19:22:10 <NuttyBunny_Pixi> photofun will take at least 10 seconds to run ;)
Aug 04 19:24:45 <PuffTheMagic> you still rocking 2.1 on your pixi?
Aug 04 19:24:51 <PuffTheMagic> thought u said it was too slow and shitty
Aug 04 19:26:25 <NuttyBunny_Pixi> I only use it as modem :)  it's too slow to use it as phone
Aug 04 19:35:45 <NuttyBunny> booo... it doesn't run on the pixi :(
Aug 04 19:39:47 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: will you be including a cmd line with TIDE?
Aug 04 19:40:06 <PatrickC> or a way to package/install/generate an app to make a full ODD environment?
Aug 04 19:47:21 <loonyshuttle> so ok, now it is dead and i really need your help beacuse im a huge webosnoob.
Aug 04 19:47:37 <PatrickC> webOS Doctor
Aug 04 19:47:50 <loonyshuttle> When I start my Pixi Plus its only show the Palm logo and no more is commin
Aug 04 19:47:52 <PatrickC> what happened exactly?
Aug 04 19:48:06 <PatrickC> ok.. http://palm.com/rom
Aug 04 19:48:13 <loonyshuttle> wehn i try to connect via usb and start web os doctror nothing comes up
Aug 04 19:48:41 <PatrickC> follow the instructions to boot into recovery mode using the link I showed you
Aug 04 19:49:15 <loonyshuttle> can this be a win day today? :D
Aug 04 19:50:01 <loonyshuttle> ok lets do it im tell you later what is does
Aug 04 19:50:04 <PatrickC> "win day"
Aug 04 19:50:48 <loonyshuttle> oh, i dont have a mobile service provider it is not sim locked Ö.ö
Aug 04 19:51:09 <PatrickC> so its an unlocked phone?
Aug 04 19:51:14 <loonyshuttle> yes
Aug 04 19:51:17 <PatrickC> you'll need a meta-doctor (I think?)
Aug 04 19:51:25 <PatrickC> #webos-internals might be able to help
Aug 04 19:51:29 <loonyshuttle> no its not
Aug 04 19:51:37 <loonyshuttle> it has no lock
Aug 04 19:52:33 <loonyshuttle> i bought this without any sim lock its not hacked or anything like that
Aug 04 19:53:48 <loonyshuttle> should i try to find help on internals?
Aug 04 19:54:28 <NuttyBunny> loonyshuttle: is it a AT&T GSM Pixi, unlocked?
Aug 04 19:55:13 <loonyshuttle> nope its an Europe (German fag is here) version without hack or any other special kind of thigys
Aug 04 19:56:21 <loonyshuttle> btw i dont even really know anything about the phone and webos so sorry :/
Aug 04 19:58:04 <NuttyBunny> no problem... you say it won't boot, right? you can just go to www.palm.com/rom and follow the instructions there, it will make you download a file, run it on your computer and fix your phone
Aug 04 19:59:30 <loonyshuttle> ok, thank you but @ the link it appears a dropmenu that gives me 2 choices O2/Vod. but i dont have any of them
Aug 04 19:59:36 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: ping
Aug 04 20:00:45 <NuttyBunny> if it's german, use O2
Aug 04 20:01:56 <loonyshuttle> aww ok so for the logs Thank you NuttyBunny_ and of course PatrickC maybe i can fix this freakyawesomephone
Aug 04 20:02:29 <PatrickC> if you need any help, we're here
Aug 04 20:02:30 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 04 20:04:52 <haeffb> PatrickC: pondNotes on the TouchPad and Noted both sync with Simplenote
Aug 04 20:05:41 <haeffb> and you can get both for free if you're enterprising enough.
Aug 04 20:17:20 <PatrickC> "enterprising enough"? :)
Aug 04 20:17:31 <PatrickC> does Noted have categories? I forger?
Aug 04 20:17:34 <PatrickC> forget*
Aug 04 20:18:03 <haeffb> tags
Aug 04 20:18:22 <haeffb> enterprising enough that if you look you'll find free versions of both
Aug 04 20:18:27 <PatrickC> I might try it again.. I need more of a category/sub-category system
Aug 04 20:18:28 <haeffb> legal free versions
Aug 04 20:18:51 <haeffb> why, might I ask, do you need a sub-category system?
Aug 04 20:19:28 <PatrickC> like "Category - Apps -> Sub-Category "Your Radio""
Aug 04 20:19:43 <loonyshuttle> omg! there is an SMD-Chip on my Scree ö.ö
Aug 04 20:20:05 <haeffb> I know what sub-categories are. But why do you need them?
Aug 04 20:20:23 <haeffb> http://smallpondapps.com/pondnotes/ has a link to the .ipk for pondNotes
Aug 04 20:20:29 <PatrickC> helps keep me more organised
Aug 04 20:20:43 <haeffb> and you already have Noted from preware, so, you don't even have to be enterprising now.
Aug 04 20:21:38 <haeffb> organization is overrated when you can just do a search to filter your notes
Aug 04 20:21:43 <haeffb> imo
Aug 04 20:29:04 <PatrickC> I might give Noted! a try again, my problem is I can only run it on a phone w/ preware. sometimes it takes me a few days before I can get preware back onto the phone
Aug 04 20:30:20 <haeffb> you don't have palm-install?
Aug 04 20:34:16 * halfhalo-work rm -rf'ed /
Aug 04 20:35:11 <halfhalo-work> because I could
Aug 04 20:36:36 <haeffb> no you couldn't
Aug 04 20:37:14 <halfhalo-work> i could, and i did.  my app didn't crash though
Aug 04 20:46:46 <PatrickC> haeffb: the point was, sometimes I don't have the time to actually sit down, wait for dev mode to turn on, and throw preware on it
Aug 04 20:47:21 <halfhalo-work> sounds like a personal problem
Aug 04 20:47:34 <PatrickC> it is
Aug 04 20:47:59 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: ping
Aug 04 20:48:40 <nickwcccp> So, I'm constantly getting the same two errors in eclipse, but the Touchpad VM seems to work fine...  Do I need to worry? ( "com.palm.feedreader" was not found) and (myapps is not defined)
Aug 04 20:49:54 <nickwcccp> Also, is there a way to supress these errors since they come up every time I execute
Aug 04 20:53:21 <LoneStar99> ping pong!
Aug 04 21:48:00 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, pong
Aug 04 21:48:21 <PatrickC> are you going to include a generate, package, install script with Tide?
Aug 04 21:51:29 <rwatkins> i imagine its not possible to distribute your app both via the App catalog and Web distribution without different app ids?
Aug 04 21:51:31 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, not immediately but most likely
Aug 04 21:51:47 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: I'm in the middle of writing one now.. :)
Aug 04 21:51:55 <PuffTheMagic> one what?
Aug 04 21:52:31 <PatrickC> a script
Aug 04 21:52:38 <PatrickC> for palm-generate currently
Aug 04 21:52:44 <DraX> do console.log()s in browser go anywhere?
Aug 04 21:52:49 <DraX> like /var/log/messages ?
Aug 04 21:53:10 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, i wouldnt spend a lot of time on that
Aug 04 21:53:27 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: I wanted to learn how to write bash anyway
Aug 04 21:53:35 <PatrickC> why not do something productive with it?
Aug 04 21:54:08 <PuffTheMagic> palm- apps are already bash
Aug 04 21:54:54 <PatrickC> I'm making ones you can distribute
Aug 04 21:55:02 <PatrickC> cause the palm- ones can't be iirc
Aug 04 21:55:09 <halfhalo-work> PuffTheMagic: except they need java to run
Aug 04 21:55:20 <PatrickC> mine wont
Aug 04 22:02:47 <Meetoman> havn't been here for a while
Aug 04 22:02:51 <Meetoman> anything new?
Aug 04 22:04:42 <PatrickC> enyo is open source!
Aug 04 22:08:18 <dcousineau> do what now?
Aug 04 22:08:40 <dcousineau> since when did they announce this?
Aug 04 22:09:22 <halfhalo-work> i dont think it actually has
Aug 04 22:09:28 <dcousineau> I doubt it
Aug 04 22:09:30 <dcousineau> not on the blog
Aug 04 22:09:39 <dcousineau> funkatron would have been excited
Aug 04 22:09:44 <dcousineau> my emails would have beenr esponded to
Aug 04 22:10:01 <funkatron> >8(
Aug 04 22:10:07 <halfhalo-work> lol
Aug 04 22:10:11 <dcousineau> notice
Aug 04 22:10:16 <dcousineau> that is not an excited face
Aug 04 22:10:16 * PatrickC was kidding
Aug 04 22:10:18 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 04 22:10:22 <dcousineau> :(
Aug 04 22:10:24 * PatrickC hides
Aug 04 22:10:26 <dcousineau> you make me sad PatrickC
Aug 04 22:10:44 * PatrickC makes PatrickC sad too
Aug 04 22:11:11 <halfhalo-work> they make pills for that now
Aug 04 22:11:30 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 04 22:12:06 <akanster> uppers, downers, pills to make you poop, pills to stop you from pooping... its a brave new world
Aug 04 22:20:49 <dawm> teehee
Aug 04 22:20:54 <dawm> i feel like im 18
Aug 04 22:21:10 <dawm> txting and at the same time sending fake obscene/retarded emails back and forth
Aug 04 22:21:35 <dawm> stupid palm pre.. bastards got me up to $20 bux on ebay.. i better win
Aug 04 22:21:46 <dawm> 4 minutes.. i dunno
Aug 04 22:25:01 <dawm> 1 minute
Aug 04 22:25:03 <dawm> PLEASE!
Aug 04 22:25:33 <dawm> my max bid is only 0.50 more than the current.. im not paying more
Aug 04 22:26:13 <dawm> I WON
Aug 04 22:26:15 <dawm> yay
Aug 04 22:26:18 <dawm> PRE2 here i come
Aug 04 22:27:26 <NuttyBunny> dawm, congrats! how much?
Aug 04 22:27:30 <dawm> 19.50
Aug 04 22:27:44 <NuttyBunny> no way!!!
Aug 04 22:27:47 <NuttyBunny> cool!
Aug 04 22:27:52 <NuttyBunny> gsm or vzw?
Aug 04 22:27:56 <dawm> sprint
Aug 04 22:27:58 <dawm> pre1
Aug 04 22:28:06 <dawm> need the radio board from it so i dont wreck my phone
Aug 04 22:28:18 <dawm> i cannot be without a phone
Aug 04 22:36:50 <NuttyBunny> ah, you got a sprint pre1 :)
Aug 04 22:44:07 <NuttyBunny> Ah, Facebook update! (this time is Mojo)
Aug 04 22:50:46 <PatrickC> really?!?!
Aug 04 22:50:50 * PatrickC goes to check
Aug 04 22:51:50 <NuttyBunny> Exhibition support!!!
Aug 04 22:52:04 <dawm> meh 2.0..
Aug 04 22:52:06 <NuttyBunny> (which isn't working on my Pre2 btw)... I also hope it supports SSL now
Aug 04 22:53:10 <dawm> i find it strange but rather nice that my boss would rather text me than call
Aug 04 22:53:20 <dawm> gives LOTS of time for a proper response :P
Aug 04 22:54:00 <NuttyBunny> ah... mine didn't work because I was using the enyo version :P  PatrickC's fault
Aug 04 22:54:15 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 04 22:56:15 <PatrickC> wow.. facebook exhibition is AMAZING!!!
Aug 04 23:11:07 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: ping
Aug 04 23:13:41 * fxspec06 cant move
Aug 04 23:13:47 <PatrickC> why not?
Aug 04 23:13:51 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, pong
Aug 04 23:13:57 * PatrickC almost has his bash script finished
Aug 04 23:14:08 <fxspec06> too sore
Aug 04 23:14:16 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: it seems that the dev of Camera does TouchPad is a friend of mine.. O.o
Aug 04 23:14:25 <PatrickC> s/does/for/
Aug 04 23:14:34 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: You're friend of everyone ;)
Aug 04 23:14:39 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 04 23:14:47 <PatrickC> we both write for webOS World
Aug 04 23:14:54 <PatrickC> and he's helped me some
Aug 04 23:14:57 <PatrickC> its kense
Aug 04 23:15:20 <halfhalo-work> why am i not suprised
Aug 04 23:15:29 <fxspec06> have you written an article already?
Aug 04 23:15:37 <PatrickC> surprised at?
Aug 04 23:15:46 <PatrickC> fxspec06: haven't gotten one to write yet
Aug 04 23:15:51 <fxspec06> oh
Aug 04 23:15:55 <NuttyBunny> he will have the exclusive review for photofun ;)
Aug 04 23:16:06 <PatrickC> I would review Photofun.. when I get my TP :)
Aug 04 23:16:15 <PatrickC> s/when/but I don't have/
Aug 04 23:16:27 <NuttyBunny> It's "almost" finished ©®PatrickC
Aug 04 23:16:35 <PatrickC> cool! :)
Aug 04 23:16:43 <PatrickC> my script is "almost" finished
Aug 04 23:17:02 * fxspec06 's legs are almost finished
Aug 04 23:17:05 <Tibfib> almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades
Aug 04 23:17:35 <PatrickC> it is ready, but doesn't let the usr define the folder name, and it doesn't auto-fill the index/appinfo
Aug 04 23:17:39 <NuttyBunny> ok, now my phone is being stupid... it's stuck in a "phone offline" mode............
Aug 04 23:17:46 <PatrickC> so it is a bare-bone palm-generate
Aug 04 23:17:48 <PatrickC> but it works
Aug 04 23:18:45 <fxspec06> NuttyBunny: your phone is an inanimate object
Aug 04 23:18:52 <fxspec06> ; )
Aug 04 23:19:05 <PatrickC> fxspec06: you are an inanimate object
Aug 04 23:19:11 <NuttyBunny> yep, IT's being stupid :D
Aug 04 23:19:11 <PatrickC> ; )
Aug 04 23:19:36 * NuttyBunny blames sconix as well (the power menu doesn't appear)
Aug 04 23:19:39 <fxspec06> it's always stupid tho
Aug 04 23:19:45 <fxspec06> reminds me of myself
Aug 04 23:19:57 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 04 23:20:09 * PatrickC wishes that bash was as easy as html
Aug 04 23:20:16 <Tibfib> hah
Aug 04 23:20:23 <halfhalo-work> html=!programming language
Aug 04 23:20:30 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 04 23:20:37 <halfhalo-work> or shell script.
Aug 04 23:20:56 <PatrickC> I can write a web page, I can make it look kinda good.. but I can't get bash to fill the contents of a file :/
Aug 04 23:21:07 <PatrickC> well, it is a shell script
Aug 04 23:21:14 <halfhalo-work> html==markup language.
Aug 04 23:21:23 <NuttyBunny> ok... this is not good... novacom can't connect to it.. help! ... xterm doesn't run, I'm running out of options
Aug 04 23:21:34 <fxspec06> restart novacom
Aug 04 23:21:34 <PatrickC> doctor!!
Aug 04 23:21:45 <PatrickC> or that..
Aug 04 23:21:55 <PatrickC> you take the fun out of it fxspec06  lol
Aug 04 23:22:24 <NuttyBunny> nvm, internalz has a Device Restart option :D
Aug 04 23:22:37 <NuttyBunny> which... isn't doing a thing...
Aug 04 23:22:45 <fxspec06> so wait, you can restart your computer from internalz?
Aug 04 23:22:46 <PatrickC> so does device info
Aug 04 23:22:52 <PatrickC> phone :P
Aug 04 23:23:04 <fxspec06> i didn't know you could restart your computer from internalz
Aug 04 23:23:35 <Tibfib> fxspec06: no, your phone.
Aug 04 23:23:40 <NuttyBunny> Internalz is powerful!  It can control your webOS toaster as well ;)
Aug 04 23:23:42 <fxspec06> i wonder what else you can restarrt
Aug 04 23:23:56 <PatrickC> you can restart Java on the pre2
Aug 04 23:26:21 * PatrickC hates algebra
Aug 04 23:26:43 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: No you can't, there's no java in Pre2
Aug 04 23:26:45 <PatrickC> bbl
Aug 04 23:26:54 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: it was a joke...
Aug 04 23:26:58 <NuttyBunny> :)
Aug 04 23:27:01 <Tibfib> that was a terrible joke.
Aug 04 23:27:09 <PatrickC> just like it can't restart a computer...
Aug 04 23:27:10 <NuttyBunny> I hate to pull the battery on my phone, really hate it
Aug 04 23:27:19 <NuttyBunny> I have to endure a 8-10 min boot :@
Aug 04 23:27:24 <PatrickC> I pull the battery on mine all the time :)
Aug 04 23:27:27 <halfhalo-work> reboot from cmd line!
Aug 04 23:27:33 <PatrickC> tellbootie!
Aug 04 23:27:39 <PatrickC> anyway.. bbl
Aug 04 23:28:01 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo-work: I can't connect to it, no novaterm, no wifi, no xterm
Aug 04 23:28:21 <DraX> iframe issues make me sad :(
Aug 04 23:28:37 <NuttyBunny> iframes make me sad
Aug 04 23:28:41 <NuttyBunny> make
Aug 04 23:29:23 <DraX> find me another way to embed a webpage in an app such that it actually gets useful touch events and i'll agree :)
Aug 04 23:30:45 <NuttyBunny> ah, no, no idea :(
Aug 04 23:31:04 <dwc-> iframes don't appear to scroll in webpages on webos
Aug 04 23:31:30 <DraX> when i do <iframe src=<some url> /> on webos 3 it invokes the browser
Aug 04 23:32:58 <DraX> also tried an enyoo.Iframe
Aug 04 23:33:00 <DraX> same effect
Aug 04 23:33:10 <dawm> THE AXE EFFECT
Aug 04 23:38:39 <NuttyBunny> Ah, it's alive again :D
Aug 04 23:43:02 <dawm> Can anyone tell me what 'Milk Bubbles' are?
Aug 04 23:43:10 <dawm> This is a test.
Aug 04 23:43:33 <Tibfib> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 04 23:45:37 <PuffTheMagic> Happy IPA day!
Aug 04 23:58:47 <dawm> 6,668 texts so far, 4 days left
Aug 04 23:59:12 <dawm> thank god for unlimited texts.. this girl would have totally destroyed my bill
Aug 04 23:59:53 <Spanska> I can't believe I finally have a TouchPad!
Aug 05 00:00:13 <Tibfib> :/
Aug 05 00:00:27 <Spanska> it's great and I hope the Pre3 will be too
Aug 05 00:00:40 <Spanska> too bad there are still a bunch of bugs
Aug 05 00:02:25 <twbbas> <-- most of his texts are from twitter
Aug 05 00:06:27 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: why is it dead?
Aug 05 00:07:54 <Tibfib> halfhalo: ping
Aug 05 00:08:21 <halfhalo-work> ?
Aug 05 00:08:23 <Tibfib> twbbas: same. I used to text a lot
Aug 05 00:08:52 <twbbas> I've never really texted a lot
Aug 05 00:09:10 <Tibfib> well, I used to text one person a lot. hah.
Aug 05 00:09:12 <Tibfib> I hate texting
Aug 05 00:09:24 <twbbas> Most of my texts are "dinner" "lunch" "food" to my friends in my dorm when we all go eat
Aug 05 00:09:29 <Tibfib> yeah haha
Aug 05 00:09:41 <Tibfib> I hate typing in general on my phone
Aug 05 00:10:09 <PuffTheMagic> thats cause you dont have a pixi
Aug 05 00:10:18 <Tibfib> perhaps
Aug 05 00:10:31 <Tibfib> we'll see on the pre3
Aug 05 00:11:03 <twbbas> I'm worried that NO leaked carrier roadmaps have the Pre 3 listed
Aug 05 00:11:25 <twbbas> Perhaps it's coming before the end of August on Verizon
Aug 05 00:11:27 <Tibfib> has AT&T been leaked?
Aug 05 00:11:31 <twbbas> Not sure
Aug 05 00:12:05 <twbbas> But, even then for the Verizon leaked roadmap.... where are the other 2 unannounced phones?
Aug 05 00:12:11 <Tibfib> well that's the "confirmed" carrier
Aug 05 00:12:23 <Tibfib> yeah, I wonder where the slab device is
Aug 05 00:12:40 <twbbas> They promised us 6 webOS devices this year. Veer, TouchPad, Pre 3.... 7" TP? Slab? Mystery device?
Aug 05 00:13:34 <Tibfib> oh they did?
Aug 05 00:13:36 <Tibfib> I don't remember that
Aug 05 00:13:47 <Tibfib> I'm going to guess 7", perhaps slab, and toaster
Aug 05 00:13:54 <twbbas> Yeah, back last fall or something the CEO? or something said that we can expect 6 devices in 2011
Aug 05 00:14:08 <twbbas> I'd buy the toaster
Aug 05 00:14:30 <twbbas> I'm waiting for a webOS printer to pop up so I can buy *my* first printer
Aug 05 00:15:41 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 05 00:15:44 <Tibfib> same
Aug 05 00:16:01 * Tibfib imagines running spaz-hd from his printer
Aug 05 00:16:08 <NuttyBunny> I wonder what will the new device that'll come to Mexico :)
Aug 05 00:16:27 <NuttyBunny> (place "be" whenever you like in my previous sentence)
Aug 05 00:16:35 <NuttyBunny> wherever
Aug 05 00:16:45 <NuttyBunny> crap... I'm sleeping ;)
Aug 05 00:18:38 <Spanska> Does anyone still use Eclipse for coding Enyo apps?
Aug 05 00:18:54 * NuttyBunny slowly rises hand
Aug 05 00:19:16 <Spanska> Do you code any TouchPad app?
Aug 05 00:22:21 <Spanska> I'm trying to figure out what tools I would need to code my first TouchPad app
Aug 05 00:22:28 <Spanska> the emulator is amazingly slow...
Aug 05 00:22:41 <fxspec06> guys, pre3 is so dead http://i.imgur.com/kWnLY.png
Aug 05 00:24:31 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas, printers
Aug 05 00:24:39 <NuttyBunny> Spanska: I code two touchpad apps at the moment, eclipse/chrome + emu/phone for testing
Aug 05 00:25:01 <Tibfib> Spanska: heck yes it is
Aug 05 00:25:08 <Spanska> NuttyBunny: I suppose Chrome is for debugging?
Aug 05 00:25:21 <Spanska> Tibfib: it's frozen right now :(
Aug 05 00:25:28 <Tibfib> I always use chrome
Aug 05 00:25:39 <NuttyBunny> Spanska: testing/debugging, etc, works nicely for enyo
Aug 05 00:25:57 <NuttyBunny> only when I need more weird stuff like gesturing or services I go to the emu
Aug 05 00:26:02 <Spanska> the phone one was amazingly fast.. way faster than the phone which lead me into thinking my app would work on a phone. What I surprise I had when I used a real device!
Aug 05 00:26:15 <NuttyBunny> and if I need to have a more realistic feel of the speed I go to my phone :)
Aug 05 00:26:42 <Spanska> Are you guys using these devices for development only are do you use them daily for your own needs?
Aug 05 00:26:44 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: still, why do you think the Pre3 is dead?
Aug 05 00:27:31 <fxspec06> it's mild sarcasm. i don't, not at all
Aug 05 00:27:34 <NuttyBunny> mine is my personal phone + dev device
Aug 05 00:27:50 <fxspec06> i'm merely mocking the ever growing pre 3 is DOA thread on p|c
Aug 05 00:28:15 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: aaaaaaaaah, that... I don't even read it :)
Aug 05 00:28:27 <Spanska> what version of Eclipse do you use?
Aug 05 00:28:31 <NuttyBunny> I tend to skip negativity
Aug 05 00:28:45 <Spanska> at first I used the Java one.. then changed to a web one or something because this is what they were showing on Palm's site
Aug 05 00:28:49 <fxspec06> i tend to skip that thread. but it's so easy to mock
Aug 05 00:28:59 <fxspec06> i may change my sig to
Aug 05 00:29:13 <fxspec06> pre3isdead!
Aug 05 00:29:34 <fxspec06> if it's released on vzw in september, i may get one on launch day
Aug 05 00:30:10 <PuffTheMagic> anyone want to play with a pre release of Tide?
Aug 05 00:30:17 <Spanska> it's gonna be complicated to get it activated on the carrier I would like to use here..
Aug 05 00:30:27 <PuffTheMagic> it will be in testing feed later tonight but i got an ipk for those who want o play
Aug 05 00:30:27 <Spanska> PuffTheMagic: what is it?
Aug 05 00:30:38 <PuffTheMagic> Code editor... so to be more of an IDE
Aug 05 00:31:01 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: I'm super excited for it
Aug 05 00:31:03 <PuffTheMagic> can edit/save docs, has syntax highlighting, auto indenting, bracket/paren matching
Aug 05 00:31:04 <PuffTheMagic> https://www.box.net/shared/0yo2tjtxe5fh26o9u5vm
Aug 05 00:31:11 <Tibfib> can't wait to test it out and give feedback :)
Aug 05 00:31:21 <PuffTheMagic> well click that link
Aug 05 00:31:40 * Tibfib has no touchpad
Aug 05 00:33:33 <NuttyBunny> Spanska, I use the one that's used for the sdk, but you might wait and use TIDE ;)
Aug 05 00:34:51 <Spanska> Tibfib: do you live in a country where it isn't available?
Aug 05 00:35:03 <Tibfib> nooooo
Aug 05 00:35:11 <Tibfib> I'm waiting on my dev discount
Aug 05 00:35:17 <fxspec06> he lives in the country of kansas
Aug 05 00:35:29 <Spanska> oh.. yeah it's a bit expensive.. maybe I should have done that..
Aug 05 00:35:48 <Spanska> considering I still haven't released anything and was given a phone.. I felt a bit guilty..
Aug 05 00:35:49 * Tibfib fist pumps
Aug 05 00:38:53 <Spanska> Do we have to put enyo.js somewhere in the app folder?
Aug 05 00:40:37 <Tibfib> BOOM: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html
Aug 05 00:42:50 <akanster> Spanska: nope
Aug 05 00:43:22 <Tibfib> am I the only one that doesn't care about exhibition mode?
Aug 05 00:43:29 <akanster> YES!
Aug 05 00:43:35 <Tibfib> okay then
Aug 05 00:43:48 * akanster just submitted his exhibition mode app to the catalog
Aug 05 00:44:00 <Tibfib> for me, if my phone is on the touchstone, I'm not using it and don't care to look at it
Aug 05 00:44:06 <Tibfib> unless I have notifications
Aug 05 00:44:12 <kesne> Hey-oh
Aug 05 00:44:16 <Tibfib> whoa it's kesne
Aug 05 00:44:20 <Tibfib> I thought he was too cool for us
Aug 05 00:44:27 <kesne> I was
Aug 05 00:44:32 <akanster> he got white jeans and all
Aug 05 00:44:33 <kesne> Then I got stuck
Aug 05 00:44:46 <Tibfib> oh, I see how it is
Aug 05 00:44:52 <kesne> Whoa, who is akanster and how does he know about my jeans?
Aug 05 00:45:04 <akanster> you were always talking about them
Aug 05 00:45:10 <akanster> oh, I am dohtem
Aug 05 00:45:16 <Tibfib> ohhhhhhhhhh
Aug 05 00:45:19 <Tibfib> I didn't know that
Aug 05 00:45:38 <kesne> haha, oh
Aug 05 00:45:56 <kesne> well, that makes sense
Aug 05 00:46:07 <dohtem> happy?!
Aug 05 00:46:37 <Tibfib> yeah, it was weird interacting with akanster
Aug 05 00:46:39 <kesne> Very :D
Aug 05 00:46:40 <Tibfib> he was a loser
Aug 05 00:46:48 <dohtem> lmao
Aug 05 00:46:48 <Tibfib> but I remember liking dohtem
Aug 05 00:46:50 <kesne> Heh
Aug 05 00:46:58 <kesne> Is there a way to stop events in Enyo?
Aug 05 00:47:07 <Tibfib> inEvent.stopPropagation()
Aug 05 00:47:12 <kesne> For reals?
Aug 05 00:47:17 <dohtem> there's a few other dohtems on the internet :(
Aug 05 00:47:25 <Tibfib> yeaah
Aug 05 00:47:32 <fxspec06> whoah its kense
Aug 05 00:47:56 <kesne> IT'S KESNE GODDAMNIT, NOT KENSE.
Aug 05 00:47:57 <kesne> :)
Aug 05 00:47:58 <kesne> Love you
Aug 05 00:48:02 <Tibfib> hahaahahahaha
Aug 05 00:48:06 <fxspec06> hahahahaahaha
Aug 05 00:48:15 <Tibfib> kesne: you really should have picked a better nickname
Aug 05 00:48:16 <fxspec06> kes knee
Aug 05 00:48:19 <twbbas> kesne: Nice job on the camera app
Aug 05 00:48:20 <dohtem> like Kenny Chesney
Aug 05 00:48:30 <dohtem> (that's how I remember kesne)
Aug 05 00:48:31 <kesne> twbbas: Thanks!
Aug 05 00:48:41 <twbbas> you really hit it at the right time
Aug 05 00:48:49 <fxspec06> what camera app?
Aug 05 00:48:49 <Tibfib> s/better/harder to mess up/
Aug 05 00:48:52 <twbbas> I be it's selling really well
Aug 05 00:48:56 <kesne> I made a camera app
Aug 05 00:49:00 <kesne> Called Camera for TouchPad
Aug 05 00:49:03 <Tibfib> that's almost cheating
Aug 05 00:49:04 <twbbas> s/be/bet
Aug 05 00:49:06 <kesne> It's a camera app for the touchpad
Aug 05 00:49:06 <fxspec06> oh i see
Aug 05 00:49:16 <fxspec06> so it's a camera app, for the touchpad
Aug 05 00:49:20 <Tibfib> wait so it takes pictures?
Aug 05 00:49:23 <fxspec06> called camera
Aug 05 00:49:24 <kesne> Hey man, I wrote that using undocumented API's for mediacapture 20 minutes after they were released
Aug 05 00:49:28 <fxspec06> and it's on the touchpad?
Aug 05 00:49:31 <twbbas> kesne: I can't believe the WOR review marked you down for not having a rear-facing cam on the TP
Aug 05 00:49:35 <Tibfib> and does it save the pictures?
Aug 05 00:49:42 <kesne> Tibfib: Yessir
Aug 05 00:49:43 <Tibfib> twbbas: yeah, I lol'd at that
Aug 05 00:49:51 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 05 00:49:53 <kesne> twbbas: That pissed me off a little...
Aug 05 00:49:59 <twbbas> "Doesn't add rear facing cam. 1 STAR REVIEW!!!!"
Aug 05 00:50:03 <Spanska> interesting app ;)
Aug 05 00:50:06 <fxspec06> if i had a TP i'm sure i'd love it
Aug 05 00:50:20 <Tibfib> tbh, I've never liked the WOR pros/cons
Aug 05 00:50:30 <kesne> Somebody wants to make a competing camera app
Aug 05 00:50:35 <kesne> and asked for my help programming it
Aug 05 00:50:37 <Tibfib> ME!
Aug 05 00:50:41 <fxspec06> you should just guess what's on the rear side of the touchpad
Aug 05 00:50:42 <twbbas> kesne: LOL
Aug 05 00:50:42 <Tibfib> camera+ for TouchPad
Aug 05 00:50:52 <Tibfib> and he's gone
Aug 05 00:50:54 <Tibfib> well that was fun.
Aug 05 00:51:00 <fxspec06> gone
Aug 05 00:51:01 <twbbas> Yep.
Aug 05 00:51:02 <fxspec06> like the wind
Aug 05 00:51:17 <fxspec06> he's there, and then he's not there. and he doesn't come back
Aug 05 00:51:23 <Tibfib> ergggg not that akanster loser again
Aug 05 00:51:36 <twbbas> fxspec06: and he's on a horse
Aug 05 00:51:45 <akanster> Tibfib: :(
Aug 05 00:51:59 * twbbas doesn't think anyone got his reference :)
Aug 05 00:52:02 * Tibfib uses edit button to not say funny joke
Aug 05 00:52:18 <Tibfib> s/edit button/filter/
Aug 05 00:52:23 <fxspec06> twbbas errrrrrrrrr
Aug 05 00:52:33 <fxspec06> was i supposed to get it?
Aug 05 00:52:41 <twbbas> fxspec06: I read your line fast like it was the old spice guy
Aug 05 00:52:42 <Tibfib> akanster: I just have to keep reminding myself you are dohtem and I'll be okay
Aug 05 00:52:55 <Tibfib> twbbas: I got the oldspice reference
Aug 05 00:52:59 <akanster> train your little brain!
Aug 05 00:53:00 <twbbas> woot!
Aug 05 00:53:07 <fxspec06> Tibfib: i had no idea akanster was dohtem!
Aug 05 00:53:12 <Tibfib> me either
Aug 05 00:53:20 <akanster> also, dohtem is method backwards
Aug 05 00:53:21 <Tibfib> s/e/ne/
Aug 05 00:53:25 <twbbas> O.o
Aug 05 00:53:27 <Tibfib> WHOAAA
Aug 05 00:53:27 <akanster> MIND BLOWN!
Aug 05 00:53:37 <twbbas> what's akanster backwards
Aug 05 00:53:38 <fxspec06> twbbas: oldspice sucks. gave me a rash this one time
Aug 05 00:53:42 <fxspec06> retsnaka
Aug 05 00:53:44 <akanster> twbbas: nothing
Aug 05 00:53:51 * Tibfib likes retsnaka
Aug 05 00:54:03 <Tibfib> "rhett" + "snack"  + "uhhh"
Aug 05 00:54:07 <fxspec06> kebert xela
Aug 05 00:54:14 <kesne> Damn mac batteries...
Aug 05 00:54:17 <bifbiT> tsk tsk
Aug 05 00:54:19 <sabbwt> kesne is back!
Aug 05 00:54:19 <kesne> What'd I miss
Aug 05 00:54:25 <sabbwt> we all have our names backwards
Aug 05 00:54:27 <fxspec06> we were all trashing you
Aug 05 00:54:31 <difdiT> yep
Aug 05 00:54:42 <oil> backwards b? wha
Aug 05 00:54:43 <sabbwt> bashing camera for not adding rear facing camera
Aug 05 00:54:47 <oil> xD
Aug 05 00:54:53 <akanster> haha
Aug 05 00:54:57 <difdiT> oil: I'm a hacker
Aug 05 00:55:22 <saddwt> my name reminds me of saddam
Aug 05 00:55:26 <saddwt> that's kinda bad
Aug 05 00:55:37 <difdiT> saddwt: but s doesn't work backwards
Aug 05 00:55:43 <difdiT> NEITHER DOES F
Aug 05 00:55:43 <saddwt> =\
Aug 05 00:55:44 <difdiT> dangit
Aug 05 00:55:47 <saddwt> haha
Aug 05 00:56:01 <twbbas> :o
Aug 05 00:56:04 <method> heh
Aug 05 00:56:16 <Tibfib> hmmm, what was I working on
Aug 05 00:56:18 <kesne> for the camera issue, blame oil
Aug 05 00:56:21 <Tibfib> oh yeah
Aug 05 00:56:23 <oil> psh
Aug 05 00:56:47 <fxspec06> i can't even change my nick backwards
Aug 05 00:56:53 <oil> haha
Aug 05 00:56:57 <fxspec06> because nick can't start w/ a number
Aug 05 00:56:58 <Tibfib> If I was an app reviewer: "Cons: Runs slowly, probably is oil's fault"
Aug 05 00:57:08 <Tibfib> fxspec06: you looooooooooooose
Aug 05 00:57:08 <twbbas> yeah, oil sludge buildup
Aug 05 00:57:12 <oil> :/
Aug 05 00:57:29 <Tibfib> If I was an app reviewer: "Cons: Can't use multiple accounts, probably is oil's fault"
Aug 05 00:57:36 <Tibfib> If I was an app reviewer: "Cons: Is ugly, probably is oil's fault"
Aug 05 00:57:40 <kesne> If there's any issue with camera, it's either oil's fault, or webos's
Aug 05 00:57:56 <twbbas> or the lack of rear facing cam
Aug 05 00:58:11 <fxspec06> i'm having back problems while using my pre, it's all oil's fault
Aug 05 00:58:20 <Tibfib> can we blame obama for something? that seems like a rational thing to do
Aug 05 00:58:52 <Tibfib> or congress. It's congress' fault camera is awkward
Aug 05 00:59:01 <fxspec06> my road has this pothole. i mean, it was filled in the spring. but it's still there. i blame obama
Aug 05 00:59:26 <Tibfib> fxspec06: you tell em!
Aug 05 00:59:38 <twbbas> fxspec06: go march on washington
Aug 05 00:59:59 <fxspec06> fill my pothole! fill my pothole!
Aug 05 01:00:07 <oil> dirty
Aug 05 01:00:12 <twbbas> lollll
Aug 05 01:00:16 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 05 01:00:17 <twbbas> only you....
Aug 05 01:00:22 <kesne> I have a programming challenge for you folks
Aug 05 01:00:34 <oil> "fix this code"
Aug 05 01:00:35 * twbbas loses by default
Aug 05 01:00:36 <oil> hah
Aug 05 01:00:38 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 05 01:00:45 <kesne> Haha
Aug 05 01:00:49 <fxspec06> PatrickC is disqualified
Aug 05 01:00:51 <Tibfib> oil would be the dirty one
Aug 05 01:00:53 <oil> "i bet you can't fix my bug!"
Aug 05 01:01:00 <Tibfib> hahaha
Aug 05 01:01:17 <Tibfib> I use that method to get my nephew to do stuff
Aug 05 01:01:19 <kesne> I need to have an event fire for an orientation change, but not have the actual window rotate when the device is rotated.
Aug 05 01:01:30 <Tibfib> "I bet you can't beat me to picking up that napkin"
Aug 05 01:01:46 <fxspec06> hmm.
Aug 05 01:01:52 <twbbas> "I bet you can't fix my pothole, Obama"
Aug 05 01:02:06 <oil> "nu-uh, ill clean my room first!"
Aug 05 01:03:06 <fxspec06> "I don't have to fix your motherfucking pothole, I'm the motherfucking President" - Obama
Aug 05 01:03:20 <oil> "isn't killing osama enough?"
Aug 05 01:03:40 <fxspec06> kense
Aug 05 01:03:44 <fxspec06> use the accelrometer
Aug 05 01:03:57 <Tibfib> yeah that might work
Aug 05 01:04:06 <fxspec06> WHAT DO I WIN!??!?!
Aug 05 01:04:09 <twbbas> rwatkins: ping
Aug 05 01:04:23 <kesne> fxspec06: Okay, so wat do?
Aug 05 01:04:33 <kesne> Read raw events?
Aug 05 01:04:34 <rwatkins> pong
Aug 05 01:04:43 <fxspec06> lol, idk never used it. but i hear it's just a number
Aug 05 01:04:44 <twbbas> rwatkins: You made Paper Mache right?
Aug 05 01:04:47 <akanster> kesne: that's pretty easy
Aug 05 01:04:47 <rwatkins> yes
Aug 05 01:04:48 <oil> fxspec06: by challenge, he means, where is the code that solves this?!
Aug 05 01:05:01 <kesne> oil: Heh
Aug 05 01:05:02 <twbbas> rwatkins: Any idea why it's randomly starting itself up after the update?
Aug 05 01:05:02 <fxspec06> lol, nah i give up
Aug 05 01:05:02 <kesne> Well
Aug 05 01:05:07 <fxspec06> you guys can all figure it out for me
Aug 05 01:05:13 <kesne> Come up with a threshold for the pitch and roll.
Aug 05 01:05:19 <rwatkins> ya, thats a ... bug
Aug 05 01:05:20 <twbbas> rwatkins: Note that I don't have an instapaper account yet
Aug 05 01:05:23 <twbbas> k
Aug 05 01:05:23 <kesne> Assign up down left and right values
Aug 05 01:05:24 <oil> YOU LOSE
Aug 05 01:05:26 <fxspec06> maybe if it was tomorrow already. but i'm too sore to code right now
Aug 05 01:05:43 <Tibfib> AHahah, fxspec06 loses!
Aug 05 01:05:43 <rwatkins> http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/faq.html#a8
Aug 05 01:05:56 <fxspec06> my brain is mushy
Aug 05 01:06:06 <fxspec06> i'm gellin
Aug 05 01:06:10 <rwatkins> it happens if you have launch it but dont login.
Aug 05 01:06:11 <twbbas> rwatkins: Thanks!
Aug 05 01:06:19 <oil> yeah, it was happening to me
Aug 05 01:06:23 <kesne> And then check that all in a function, if it's changed, call the display change function
Aug 05 01:06:31 * oil was too lazy to register for an account :(
Aug 05 01:06:38 <rwatkins> already ready for review
Aug 05 01:06:58 <rwatkins> I'll shove up the 1.0.4 ipk to the website for those that actually have the SDK.
Aug 05 01:07:32 <rwatkins> ya, its kinda bad because you cant just register for an accnt you need to purchase a subscription.
Aug 05 01:08:18 <rwatkins> of course you only notice 4 hrs later when the autosync runs if you dont have an accont - not exactly in my normal QA process.
Aug 05 01:08:37 <oil> heh, yeah
Aug 05 01:08:49 <kesne> So basically, I'm rewriting the device's orientation event handler
Aug 05 01:09:23 <fxspec06> basically
Aug 05 01:09:28 <fxspec06> easy as pie
Aug 05 01:10:44 <kesne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQU22Ttpwc
Aug 05 01:10:48 <rwatkins> guess I could distribute via Preware too.  But dont need even more nonsense to go thru with each new version.
Aug 05 01:11:28 <fxspec06> lolllllllllllllll
Aug 05 01:11:34 <fxspec06> nice afro
Aug 05 01:12:44 <rwatkins> ipk here: http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/ if you want to download and manually install
Aug 05 01:13:04 <twbbas> rwatkins: Thanks but I think I'll just wait for the update :)
Aug 05 01:13:07 <rwatkins> otherwise it wakes up and is annoying every 4 hrs.
Aug 05 01:13:14 <twbbas> it's not that big of a deal if I just leave it running
Aug 05 01:13:22 <rwatkins> true
Aug 05 01:13:26 <fxspec06> rwatkins how much does it cost and what does it do
Aug 05 01:13:40 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 05 01:13:44 <Tibfib> the two most important questions
Aug 05 01:13:58 <rwatkins> free.  save web pages to read later in text optimized format.  automatic sync and offline cache.
Aug 05 01:14:02 <rwatkins> its Instapaper for webOS.
Aug 05 01:14:11 <fxspec06> instapaper
Aug 05 01:14:14 <twbbas> Don't forget the $1 subscription needed to instapaper :)
Aug 05 01:14:14 <Tibfib> precentral has a review
Aug 05 01:14:24 <fxspec06> oh yeah, the $1 subscribtion
Aug 05 01:14:25 <Tibfib> rwatkins: are you allowed to charge?
Aug 05 01:14:38 <fxspec06> HUGE CON!
Aug 05 01:14:39 <rwatkins> and yes, paid $1/month subscription to IP.
Aug 05 01:14:51 <Tibfib> $1/month is not a lot of money.
Aug 05 01:14:54 <rwatkins> Tibfib: yea, I could charge. there is a WP7 one called "Stacks" that does.
Aug 05 01:14:54 <NuttyBunny> "some who wants to build a competing camera app" is here, he has a name :P
Aug 05 01:14:55 <fxspec06> 0 stars from me. unusable
Aug 05 01:15:01 <Tibfib> rwatkins: oh, then why don't you?
Aug 05 01:15:02 <twbbas> I have been too lazy to go to the site and pay my subscription yet lol
Aug 05 01:15:11 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: is it Patrick?
Aug 05 01:15:19 <Tibfib> oh, or is it you?
Aug 05 01:15:20 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 05 01:15:35 <twbbas> LOL it's NuttyBunny? :)
Aug 05 01:15:39 <rwatkins> Tibfib: I could, but users are going to purchase the app and then bitch that there is then a $1/mo subscription too.  dont need the hassle.
Aug 05 01:15:40 <NuttyBunny> I don't see Patrick :)
Aug 05 01:15:55 <Tibfib> rwatkins: true, but it seems to be a nice app
Aug 05 01:16:03 <fxspec06> he left and came back as a different nick and is spying on us all
Aug 05 01:16:04 <rwatkins> Tibfib: why thank you.  :)
Aug 05 01:16:10 <NuttyBunny> anyway, it's not a competing app, it's different
Aug 05 01:16:16 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: true
Aug 05 01:16:19 <Tibfib> rwatkins: is it open source?
Aug 05 01:16:31 <rwatkins> no.  maybe down the road. perhaps.
Aug 05 01:16:34 <Tibfib> ah, that's too bad.
Aug 05 01:17:46 <rwatkins> may go open source down the road, or may wrap up the read-it-later market on webOS and then remove it and release a paid one.  :)
Aug 05 01:17:59 * NuttyBunny gets pissed when people ONLY answers the LAST sentence in a message with several questions
Aug 05 01:18:00 <twbbas> haha
Aug 05 01:18:05 <Tibfib> rwatkins: haha nice
Aug 05 01:18:10 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: me tooo
Aug 05 01:18:21 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 05 01:22:02 <rwatkins> there are two new Read-It-Later TP apps in the catalog now though.
Aug 05 01:22:05 <rwatkins> But they .. suck.
Aug 05 01:23:30 <fxspec06> so i take it my only option to release an app for the touchpad and pre-/+/2 right now is to do separate ipk's?
Aug 05 01:23:55 <twbbas> fxspec06: fat app
Aug 05 01:24:08 <rwatkins> indeed.  if you can stomach the 3 week dev review times.
Aug 05 01:24:43 <Tibfib> yeaah
Aug 05 01:24:44 <fxspec06> what's a fat app?
Aug 05 01:25:01 <fxspec06> my app is phat
Aug 05 01:25:18 <fxspec06> i can add some extra weight. feed it some cheeseburgers
Aug 05 01:25:18 <rwatkins> ipk w/ both an enyo and mojo app
Aug 05 01:25:21 <twbbas> fxspec06: Not that type of tat ;). It's a process (on the forums) that basically has 2 ipks in 1
Aug 05 01:25:44 <fxspec06> oh. well my works on both in same ipk
Aug 05 01:25:52 <fxspec06> but like i don't want things to break
Aug 05 01:26:05 <fxspec06> coz i know there been problems w/ compatibility
Aug 05 01:26:15 <fxspec06> device versions in catalog etc.
Aug 05 01:27:00 <rwatkins> ok, enough of this. time for some 'coding mutherfucker!'
Aug 05 01:27:07 <rwatkins> got me a pre3 version to pull together.
Aug 05 01:28:09 <kesne> How do you listen for accelerometer data in Enyo?
Aug 05 01:28:40 <fxspec06> with a stethescope?
Aug 05 01:32:49 <Tibfib> wooooooooo, label editing in nomnomnom is a go
Aug 05 01:33:10 <funkatron> you should be fixing spaz
Aug 05 01:33:14 <Tibfib> shhhhh
Aug 05 01:33:24 <Tibfib> I also have it not be super janky when you view a feed
Aug 05 01:34:06 <funkatron> *zzzZZZZzzzz*
Aug 05 01:34:12 <Tibfib> :P
Aug 05 01:34:15 <Tibfib> time for spaz
Aug 05 01:34:20 <funkatron> that's right!
Aug 05 01:34:27 <kesne> So nobody knows?
Aug 05 01:34:44 <Tibfib> so demanding
Aug 05 01:34:53 <kesne> heh
Aug 05 01:34:54 <Tibfib> I should get paid more for this
Aug 05 01:34:57 <Tibfib> @ funkatron
Aug 05 01:35:06 <Tibfib> although that fit pretty well for kesne too
Aug 05 01:35:20 <kesne> Haha
Aug 05 01:35:25 <funkatron> I pay you twice what I make
Aug 05 01:35:58 <Tibfib> which is technically just AS much as you make
Aug 05 01:36:24 <funkatron> mathematically true
Aug 05 01:36:51 <kesne> Haha, I get it!
Aug 05 01:37:37 <fxspec06> it's mathemagical
Aug 05 01:42:48 <PatrickC> hey all
Aug 05 01:42:50 <PatrickC> what's up?
Aug 05 01:45:32 <fxspec06> space
Aug 05 01:46:01 <fxspec06> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html
Aug 05 01:46:04 <fxspec06> 3.0.2
Aug 05 01:46:11 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 05 01:47:05 <PatrickC> "Pre3 is DEAD!!" hahaha
Aug 05 01:47:19 <summatusmentis> wait what?
Aug 05 01:47:32 <PatrickC> that's what fxspec06 said on twitter
Aug 05 01:47:36 <akanster> 3.0.2 woot!
Aug 05 01:48:02 <PatrickC> and then he linked to some photoshoped picture :P
Aug 05 01:48:20 <Tibfib> I posted that earlier dangit
Aug 05 01:48:35 <Tibfib> 1 hour and 8 minutes ago
Aug 05 01:49:25 <PatrickC> what, pre3 is dead, or the 3.0.2?
Aug 05 01:51:10 <fxspec06> there's no way anyone posted this http://t.co/LsqdLMA because fxspec06 made this
Aug 05 01:51:11 <NuttyBunny> both
Aug 05 01:52:09 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny! how's the NuttyCam®©™ coming?
Aug 05 01:52:50 <fxspec06> i should do one with pre3 in a coffin w/ a contractor using a hammer to put massive nails in, with the pre-, pre+, pre2, and touchpad all crying. with beards. and iphones and droids are laughing outside
Aug 05 01:54:01 <fxspec06> but that sounds like too much work for double reverse satire
Aug 05 01:54:03 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Pretty good actually :D
Aug 05 01:56:10 * NuttyBunny will send NuttyCam©®™ to "all" his beta testers tonight
Aug 05 02:00:43 <PatrickC> the 2? :)
Aug 05 02:01:00 <PatrickC> NuttyCam���?
Aug 05 02:02:13 <haeffb> Spanska: Titanium Studio
Aug 05 02:02:29 <Spanska> Is that free? ;)
Aug 05 02:02:46 <haeffb> yes. It's basically just a fork of eclipse
Aug 05 02:02:52 <haeffb> as is aptana
Aug 05 02:02:55 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Actually they are about 4 ;)
Aug 05 02:03:09 <haeffb> but it has some nice things that eclipse doesn't. Like themes.
Aug 05 02:03:28 <PatrickC> awesome!
Aug 05 02:03:29 <haeffb> and you can still install the webOS plugin
Aug 05 02:03:43 * PatrickC wonders is bash scripts will run in windows...
Aug 05 02:04:14 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: cygwin
Aug 05 02:04:23 <PatrickC> :/
Aug 05 02:04:33 <Spanska> alright, almost done with my first tutorial app, just gotta figure out how to send it to the TouchPad now
Aug 05 02:04:47 <haeffb> palm-install
Aug 05 02:05:17 <PatrickC> Spanska: what's the app do?
Aug 05 02:05:18 <Spanska> so it's all the same as with SDK 2.1?
Aug 05 02:05:33 <PatrickC> are you the dev of Spanska apps?
Aug 05 02:05:57 <Spanska> PatrickC: just the regular tutorial.. but I'm sick of still using my iPod Touch to read news on the TouchPad so I'll create myself a Google Reader app
Aug 05 02:06:17 <Spanska> PatrickC: yeah.. well I gave up with Holiday Dates.. too many issues with the webOS calendar API
Aug 05 02:06:22 <PatrickC> Spanska: join Tibfib Nomnomnom beta :)
Aug 05 02:06:24 <PatrickC> if you can
Aug 05 02:06:29 <Spanska> what's that?
Aug 05 02:06:59 <Spanska> I'm all in for beta testing, I just got the TP a few days ago and I haven't done much with it yet
Aug 05 02:07:05 <Tibfib> a google reader app
Aug 05 02:07:14 <Spanska> oh cool;)
Aug 05 02:07:19 <Spanska> is it free?:P
Aug 05 02:07:20 <PatrickC> I've heard its an amazing greader app
Aug 05 02:07:22 <Tibfib> Spanska: send tibfib1 at gmail an email and I'll fw you the next version
Aug 05 02:07:31 <Tibfib> Spanska: free for beta testers
Aug 05 02:07:37 <Spanska> alright, I'll try it out
Aug 05 02:07:38 <Tibfib> but no, it will be a paid app.
Aug 05 02:08:14 <haeffb> ok. who got tibfib at gmail?
Aug 05 02:08:21 <Tibfib> some jerk
Aug 05 02:08:26 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 05 02:08:27 <Tibfib> I should email them asking for it
Aug 05 02:08:39 <haeffb> if only you knew their email address
Aug 05 02:08:45 <Tibfib> I know, right
Aug 05 02:09:03 <Spanska> Is the app really called Nomnomnom?
Aug 05 02:09:08 <haeffb> I would test it if I used RSS
Aug 05 02:09:20 <haeffb> it was. now it's monmonmoN
Aug 05 02:10:11 <Tibfib> HRMM
Aug 05 02:10:19 <NuttyBunny> I hate the Phone's temperature battery charging limiter.... Pre2 spent 2 hours "charging" on the Touchstone, went from 56% to 64%... I let it cool and in 20 mins it's on 85%
Aug 05 02:10:23 <Tibfib> why is this control reporting itself when IT HAS BEEN DESTROYED
Aug 05 02:10:25 <Tibfib> BEGONE FOOL
Aug 05 02:10:47 <Tibfib> oh, but great. it lets us know it is destroyed
Aug 05 02:10:51 <Tibfib> "destroyed": true
Aug 05 02:11:25 <Spanska> just sent the email!
Aug 05 02:11:31 <Tibfib> got it
Aug 05 02:11:33 <Spanska> Tibfib: will it be open source?
Aug 05 02:11:38 <Tibfib> yep
Aug 05 02:11:39 <Tibfib> already is
Aug 05 02:11:49 <Spanska> Oh, then I won't look at it...
Aug 05 02:11:49 <Tibfib> Spanska: and don't let rwhitby hear you don't like the name
Aug 05 02:11:58 <Tibfib> hmmm?
Aug 05 02:12:18 <rwhitby> Spanska: it's a horrible name. I agree with you.
Aug 05 02:12:25 <Tibfib> haahahahahah
Aug 05 02:12:28 <fxspec06> Tibfib: nuke it
Aug 05 02:12:34 <Shadyman> nomnomnom
Aug 05 02:12:35 <Spanska> well, if I make mine a paid app someday, I wanna make sure it won't contain code you used in yours
Aug 05 02:12:51 <Tibfib> oh
Aug 05 02:12:58 <Tibfib> why not contribute?
Aug 05 02:13:02 <Spanska> I might just buy your app too ;)
Aug 05 02:13:06 <Tibfib> I mean if you want to make your own, go for it.
Aug 05 02:13:10 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby reminds me of BeetleJuice, but you just have to call him twice at most :)
Aug 05 02:13:13 * PatrickC is going to contribute to Tide :)
Aug 05 02:13:19 <Spanska> well, I would rather buy one if it has all the features I want
Aug 05 02:13:36 <Spanska> I have other projects on my mind that do not exist yet
Aug 05 02:13:38 * Tibfib makes FAQ page in NomNomNom for who to blame for the crappy name: rwhitby
Aug 05 02:13:57 <Tibfib> Spanska: oh well that works
Aug 05 02:14:02 <Tibfib> but contributions rock
Aug 05 02:14:18 <Tibfib> I honestly love the name NomNomNom
Aug 05 02:14:18 <Spanska> well, that would help me get a slow start on Enyo
Aug 05 02:14:25 <rwhitby> "Application name brought to you by the same genius who named Govnah and Impostah."
Aug 05 02:14:26 <Tibfib> yeah, it's terrible. but it's great.
Aug 05 02:14:38 <Spanska> makes me think about someone that "eats" news ;)
Aug 05 02:14:43 <Tibfib> EXACTLY!
Aug 05 02:14:46 <Spanska> I like it!
Aug 05 02:14:50 <Tibfib> ;P
Aug 05 02:15:06 <Spanska> So, when will the beta be out?
Aug 05 02:15:15 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I propose a name change: nommah
Aug 05 02:15:18 <Spanska> I can't wait to try it
Aug 05 02:15:24 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: or "Readah"
Aug 05 02:15:29 <Tibfib> Spanska: umm, probably later tonight
Aug 05 02:15:31 <haeffb> "nommah" lol
Aug 05 02:15:32 <summatusmentis> or that, that's almost better
Aug 05 02:16:13 <Spanska> do contributors still have to buy the app?
Aug 05 02:16:18 <Tibfib> of course not
Aug 05 02:16:28 <Tibfib> for one, you do have a copy yourself
Aug 05 02:16:31 <Tibfib> to intsall
Aug 05 02:16:36 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: does @jperlow just not understand what's going on?
Aug 05 02:16:45 <Tibfib> but I can also get you a promo code if you like
Aug 05 02:16:57 <NuttyBunny> summatusmentis: he came late to the party
Aug 05 02:17:39 <PatrickC> what article did he write?
Aug 05 02:17:48 <PatrickC> all I saw was rwhitby's tweet
Aug 05 02:18:06 <summatusmentis> some zdnet article about opensourcing webOS, if you go to his twitter feed he links it
Aug 05 02:18:20 <NuttyBunny> he already edited it
Aug 05 02:18:25 <Tibfib> nice
Aug 05 02:18:28 <summatusmentis> oh did he?
Aug 05 02:19:27 <summatusmentis> hrm
Aug 05 02:19:39 <NuttyBunny> I couldn't find any references to the "under the table agreement"
Aug 05 02:19:40 <Tibfib> still says: "I’ve learned on the down-low that the WebOSInternals folks are apparently acting as a form of supplementary engineering team for Hewlett-Packard who is using them to exchange code and software engineering expertise as needed to integrate it into their products."
Aug 05 02:19:45 <Tibfib> that's where it used to be
Aug 05 02:19:52 <summatusmentis> yeah, you're right
Aug 05 02:20:15 <summatusmentis> could be a less inflammatory, more accurate article, overall
Aug 05 02:20:15 <halfhalo-work> those silly supplemental engineering team people
Aug 05 02:20:17 <NuttyBunny> Yep, it's less insulting sentence
Aug 05 02:20:21 <summatusmentis> but this is better
Aug 05 02:20:52 <Tibfib> a good journalist would have asked for a comment from webosinternals or hp
Aug 05 02:21:18 <Tibfib> and found out he/she was pretty wrong
Aug 05 02:21:28 <haeffb> "good journalist" is oxymoron these days
Aug 05 02:21:42 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 05 02:21:45 <Tibfib> haeffb: you win
Aug 05 02:21:57 <haeffb> \o/ !!!!@
Aug 05 02:22:04 <Spanska> Tibfib: is telling about bugs and suggesting new features or changes considered contribution? Or would I have to submit code too?
Aug 05 02:22:17 <Tibfib> Spanska: umm, that's a good question
Aug 05 02:22:25 <Tibfib> I need to have an established pattern for that
Aug 05 02:22:31 <rwhitby> https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/99303886241808384
Aug 05 02:22:33 <Tibfib> lemme think
Aug 05 02:22:36 <Tibfib> it probably does
Aug 05 02:23:24 <summatusmentis> +1 rwhitby
Aug 05 02:23:28 <NuttyBunny> he is an ass. The TouchPad is great even with no patches. It's no Xoom tablet with a crippled SD port
Aug 05 02:23:43 <Spanska> I was asking because I didn't work at all with Enyo unless an hour with the tutorial counts ;)
Aug 05 02:24:11 <Tibfib> Spanska: yeah, makes sense
Aug 05 02:24:53 <Spanska> so maybe I should start thinking about my real next app now
Aug 05 02:25:21 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: ass is a little strong, but certainly comes off as uninformed
Aug 05 02:26:57 * NuttyBunny turns it down two notches
Aug 05 02:27:04 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: rearend
Aug 05 02:27:10 <Tibfib> "buttocks"
Aug 05 02:27:11 <haeffb> Tibfib: if it's open source, why would a beta tester need a free copy or promo code...?
Aug 05 02:27:30 <oil> they wouldnt
Aug 05 02:27:33 <Tibfib> haeffb: well by free copy I meant, you'd have the code yourself to compile and run
Aug 05 02:27:42 <Spanska> not all beta testers have dev tools installed..
Aug 05 02:27:44 <Tibfib> you'd only want a promo code to get official updates
Aug 05 02:27:53 <haeffb> git clone
Aug 05 02:28:03 <oil> preware custom feed :)
Aug 05 02:28:14 <Tibfib> Spanska: well this was just referring to code contributions
Aug 05 02:28:23 <Tibfib> but I will probably share promo codes
Aug 05 02:28:32 <Tibfib> and will set up a private preware feed soon ish
Aug 05 02:28:39 <Tibfib> I already have it setup for koto player
Aug 05 02:28:58 * oil wonders why he is never given the location of such things
Aug 05 02:29:07 <funkatron> rwhitby: I hate to poo-poo on someone's suggestion to open source stuff, but that was really sloppy writing. I love how the dude says "he learned" – which implies it is a fact – and then in the next paragraph calls it a rumor
Aug 05 02:29:10 <Tibfib> oil: never asked
Aug 05 02:29:20 * Tibfib shrugs
Aug 05 02:29:35 <Tibfib> funkatron: LIAR, HYPOCRITE
Aug 05 02:29:56 <funkatron> word
Aug 05 02:29:57 <Tibfib> you are a closet anti-open source person!
Aug 05 02:30:00 <funkatron> I am
Aug 05 02:30:07 <oil> lol
Aug 05 02:30:19 <halfhalo-work> mooo
Aug 05 02:30:40 <summatusmentis> funkatron: I'm right there with you, the article wasn't that compelling I didn't think
Aug 05 02:31:15 <funkatron> ZDNet doesn't exactly court top-notch talent, IME
Aug 05 02:31:37 <Spanska> Does anyone here knows a good stocks app for the TouchPad?
Aug 05 02:31:38 <funkatron> and they definitely don't mind letting their writers stretch logic to get views
Aug 05 02:32:39 * Tibfib keeps getting distracted
Aug 05 02:33:18 <Spanska> I don't understand why I still cannot see the August issue of Pilot
Aug 05 02:33:35 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: LOOK! A PONY!
Aug 05 02:33:44 <Tibfib> PONIES!
Aug 05 02:34:57 <halfhalo-work> monkies
Aug 05 02:35:14 <NuttyBunny> I left the IRC window in the same workspace as eclipse... I get "less" distracted
Aug 05 02:35:48 <haeffb> Spanska: I have a stock app on my TP...Market Pulse HD
Aug 05 02:36:01 <summatusmentis> I don't have stocks
Aug 05 02:36:11 <haeffb> neither do i
Aug 05 02:37:01 <Spanska> we get them from the job
Aug 05 02:37:07 * Tibfib doesn't understand people that find stocks interesting
Aug 05 02:37:19 <halfhalo-work> they make me monies
Aug 05 02:37:23 <Tibfib> I guess I know that's not what I'm going to do when I grow up
Aug 05 02:38:57 <haeffb> whoever said "ass" was right on target
Aug 05 02:39:22 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny
Aug 05 02:39:30 * NuttyBunny raises hand
Aug 05 02:39:54 <NuttyBunny> but I tend to be a bit visceral sometimes
Aug 05 02:42:08 <Tibfib> hmm, how do you use palm-run?
Aug 05 02:42:27 <Tibfib> I thought it would be palm-run folderContainerAppInfo.json
Aug 05 02:44:48 <Tibfib> which is what it looks like it is supposed to be
Aug 05 02:44:50 <Tibfib> doesn't work here
Aug 05 02:44:51 <haeffb> that works for me
Aug 05 02:44:53 <Tibfib> just loops
Aug 05 02:45:32 <halfhalo-work> loop of doom?
Aug 05 02:45:41 <Tibfib> yep
Aug 05 02:46:01 <haeffb> I loved that game!
Aug 05 02:46:01 <halfhalo-work> DOOOOOOM
Aug 05 02:46:15 <PatrickC> brb reboot
Aug 05 02:46:43 <NuttyBunny> doom was the reason for me to get a ProAudio Spectrum 16 :D
Aug 05 02:48:18 <fxspec06> omg
Aug 05 02:48:19 <fxspec06> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/hp-if-you-want-folks-to-hack-the-touchpad-then-open-source-it/18013
Aug 05 02:48:22 <fxspec06> =O
Aug 05 02:48:26 <fxspec06> holy crap people are pissed
Aug 05 02:48:29 <twbbas> ya
Aug 05 02:48:45 <fxspec06> why would he write that
Aug 05 02:48:52 <fxspec06> why would anyone write that
Aug 05 02:48:57 <fxspec06> does he want to be fired?
Aug 05 02:49:10 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/TheTylerBayne/status/99310414617264129
Aug 05 02:49:21 <fxspec06> since when did ZDNET become fox news for apple
Aug 05 02:49:31 <twbbas> haha
Aug 05 02:49:33 <summatusmentis> I'm sure so long as he gets views, he won't get fired
Aug 05 02:50:13 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/jperlow/status/99310554883166208
Aug 05 02:50:17 <fxspec06> damn, and i thought Engadget got paid
Aug 05 02:50:46 <haeffb> correction. NuttyBunny didn't go far enough.
Aug 05 02:51:11 <twbbas> ^
Aug 05 02:51:22 <fxspec06> what an ass
Aug 05 02:51:26 <fxspec06> he looks like an ass
Aug 05 02:51:31 <summatusmentis> I missed the twitter fight
Aug 05 02:51:33 <summatusmentis> jeepers
Aug 05 02:51:37 <fxspec06> nope
Aug 05 02:51:41 <fxspec06> it's happening, right now
Aug 05 02:51:47 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/jperlow
Aug 05 02:52:04 <Tibfib> OH NO rwhitby: You blew it for your entire community.
Aug 05 02:52:10 <twbbas> oh noes
Aug 05 02:52:10 <Tibfib> OH NO OH NO OH NO
Aug 05 02:52:11 <haeffb> dammit.
Aug 05 02:52:17 <twbbas> there goes preware
Aug 05 02:52:28 <haeffb> no wonder the Pre3 is dead
Aug 05 02:52:32 <twbbas> ya
Aug 05 02:52:38 <twbbas> not enough patches to make it not dead
Aug 05 02:52:50 <haeffb> but we really know it's not rwhitby's fault.
Aug 05 02:52:58 <haeffb> because...
Aug 05 02:53:00 <fxspec06> and we really know the pre3 is not dead
Aug 05 02:53:02 <haeffb> we blame...
Aug 05 02:53:06 <fxspec06> OIL
Aug 05 02:53:07 <twbbas> oil spills?
Aug 05 02:53:10 <fxspec06> IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT
Aug 05 02:55:43 <summatusmentis> wait, we're rwhitby's community?
Aug 05 02:55:55 <rwhitby> apparently so
Aug 05 02:55:57 <PatrickC> I guess so..
Aug 05 02:56:00 <haeffb> his whole community
Aug 05 02:56:02 <twbbas> yep
Aug 05 02:56:03 <rwhitby> bow down to your new overlord
Aug 05 02:56:05 <haeffb> the seven of us
Aug 05 02:56:10 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 05 02:56:17 <Tibfib> haeffb: his whole military
Aug 05 02:56:21 <twbbas> ^
Aug 05 02:56:30 <summatusmentis> forget that, who wants to go start a new community? we could split all the profits, and it would all be equitable
Aug 05 02:56:36 <summatusmentis> oh wait
Aug 05 02:56:40 <fxspec06> rwhitby: can i kiss your feet?
Aug 05 02:56:45 <fxspec06> may*
Aug 05 02:56:50 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: can we have a red flag?
Aug 05 02:56:56 <haeffb> blue flag!
Aug 05 02:57:01 * NuttyBunny bows before rwhitby 
Aug 05 02:57:02 <Tibfib> and a hammer?
Aug 05 02:57:07 <summatusmentis> the only option is purple flag
Aug 05 02:57:09 <PatrickC> green flag!
Aug 05 02:57:15 <fxspec06> I, for one, welcome our new rwhitby overlords.
Aug 05 02:57:16 * haeffb starts the blue flag splinter group
Aug 05 02:57:25 * PatrickC joins
Aug 05 02:57:36 <haeffb> yes, overlords take on all the responsibility
Aug 05 02:57:50 <summatusmentis> wait, he retracted the Op-Ed offer, then extended it to anyone else in the community
Aug 05 02:57:50 <Tibfib> overlord rwhitby, what color?
Aug 05 02:58:09 <haeffb> does rwhitby have a separate twitter account?
Aug 05 02:58:11 <Tibfib> it's a bad idea to upset the webOS community
Aug 05 02:58:23 <PatrickC> ^
Aug 05 02:58:26 <Tibfib> http://twitter.com/#!/rwhitby
Aug 05 02:58:30 <Tibfib> kind of.
Aug 05 02:58:39 <haeffb> there's only seven of us, but we're passionate!
Aug 05 02:59:11 <haeffb> would be hilarious if rwhitby took him up on the op-ed challenge
Aug 05 02:59:19 <twbbas> fo' sho'
Aug 05 02:59:25 <summatusmentis> is there a reason we shouldn't all take him up on it?
Aug 05 02:59:30 <summatusmentis> TAKE TO THE BLOGS
Aug 05 02:59:35 <twbbas> YAAAAA
Aug 05 02:59:36 * PatrickC googles op-ed
Aug 05 02:59:40 <twbbas> lol patrick
Aug 05 02:59:45 <PatrickC> :)
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