**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 05 02:59:56 2011 Aug 05 02:59:59 I'll copy/paste one of youse guys' rants. I don't have time to do something original. Aug 05 03:00:11 no, but srsly, public responses work pretty well if there's enough of them Aug 05 03:00:12 okay folks, now would be a good time to package up the latest Spaz HD and try it out Aug 05 03:00:22 Tibfib: Where is it at? Aug 05 03:00:31 github.com/funkatron/Spaz-HD/ Aug 05 03:00:41 oh >.> Aug 05 03:00:45 Tibfib is an agent of jperlow and just trying to distract us! Aug 05 03:00:47 I don't have control to the online packages funkatron sets up so I can't upload packages Aug 05 03:00:54 haeffb: shhhhhhh Aug 05 03:01:02 Tibfib = jperlow backwards Aug 05 03:01:04 O.o Aug 05 03:01:13 haeffb: lolllll Aug 05 03:01:18 twbbas: lollllll Aug 05 03:01:32 * fxspec06 needs sleep and is laughing at everything Aug 05 03:01:39 wait, this guy is Senior Technology Editor Aug 05 03:01:45 summatusmentis: Yeah, I saw that lol Aug 05 03:01:48 yeah.. Aug 05 03:01:56 that's really sad Aug 05 03:01:57 wolrepj: how's it goin? Aug 05 03:02:00 the amount of funny is inversely proportional to the time of day Aug 05 03:02:08 summatusmentis: nobody reads ZNET Aug 05 03:02:13 except for rwhitby Aug 05 03:02:17 clearly we all do Aug 05 03:02:20 lol Aug 05 03:02:21 and his community Aug 05 03:02:31 summatusmentis: we do what rwhitby tells his community to do Aug 05 03:02:35 oh right Aug 05 03:02:52 are you ready to start a fight IGNTNUNLMTD Aug 05 03:02:57 yep Aug 05 03:03:00 gloves off Aug 05 03:03:07 http://mycountdown.org/Other/Autumn/widget/ Aug 05 03:03:08 you? Aug 05 03:03:11 end of summer countdown Aug 05 03:03:19 Pre 3 better be out by then ;) Aug 05 03:03:24 rwhitby's community has spoken Aug 05 03:03:41 lay down the law on that pathetic excuse for a journalist Aug 05 03:03:59 get 'em!!! Aug 05 03:04:21 Oh look, he's taken it back... how cute Aug 05 03:04:27 I'll likely be writing a response either tonight or tomorrow Aug 05 03:04:28 he feels threatened Aug 05 03:04:33 excellent Aug 05 03:04:45 he blocked me! Aug 05 03:04:49 i can't follow him Aug 05 03:04:51 HAH Aug 05 03:04:54 me too Aug 05 03:04:57 WOW Aug 05 03:05:03 WHAT A LOSER Aug 05 03:05:04 * IGNTNUNLMTD highfives fxspec06 Aug 05 03:05:07 BROFIST Aug 05 03:05:15 rofl he blocked you Aug 05 03:05:16 * fxspec06 recieves highfive Aug 05 03:05:21 seriously? Aug 05 03:05:25 YES Aug 05 03:05:27 SERIOUSLY. Aug 05 03:05:31 he's pathetic, seriously Aug 05 03:05:33 Does anyone know if a Live Messenger exist so that we can add such an account in the Messaging app? Aug 05 03:05:38 he's WORSE than pathetic Aug 05 03:05:40 Live Messenger service, sorry Aug 05 03:05:42 Spanska: I don't think so without a patch Aug 05 03:06:01 How complicated would it be to create an official one instead of a patch? Aug 05 03:06:17 Must be because of libpurple or something.. Aug 05 03:06:29 Spanska: You mean like have HP add it? Aug 05 03:06:51 well, I wonder why they didn't add it already Aug 05 03:06:58 they're using Bing for maps now.. Aug 05 03:07:10 what a loser? Aug 05 03:07:18 what kind of senior technology editor Aug 05 03:07:22 blocks someone on twitter Aug 05 03:07:52 the same kind that Engadget hires Aug 05 03:08:13 like who the f does this guy think he is Aug 05 03:08:23 If Rod is unable to interact in a civil fashion I'd rather extend my Op-Ed offer to someone like yourself. Interested? Aug 05 03:08:51 why would he pick a fight Aug 05 03:08:55 that's fighting words Aug 05 03:08:59 how stupid can someone be Aug 05 03:09:09 am i just ignorant about the situation? Aug 05 03:09:34 nope, the guy is a legit asshole Aug 05 03:09:59 thinks his time to shine is slandering the TouchPad and then webOS Internals to raise controversy and therefore popularity Aug 05 03:10:10 picked the wrong community to mess with Aug 05 03:10:22 ... I don't see it as all that bad, tbh Aug 05 03:10:27 but, I'm apparently in the minority Aug 05 03:10:45 can you follow him dwc- Aug 05 03:10:49 he makes it sound like HP is "using" homebrewers Aug 05 03:10:55 probably, but why would I want to? Aug 05 03:11:03 can you just try? Aug 05 03:11:07 and then unfollow him Aug 05 03:11:10 because none of us can Aug 05 03:11:13 * dwc- does not do the whole twittering thing much Aug 05 03:11:17 he also makes it sound like you HAVE to hack the TouchPad to make it worth using Aug 05 03:11:27 which you don't Aug 05 03:11:31 which you don't Aug 05 03:11:33 hahah Aug 05 03:11:34 fxspec06, IGNTNUNLMTD: where are your tweets where you insult him? Aug 05 03:11:42 that's just his opinion Aug 05 03:11:43 fxspec06: I followed and then unfollowed Aug 05 03:11:44 Tibfib: they don't exist Aug 05 03:11:52 oh, how'd you get blocked? Aug 05 03:11:55 He blocked me. I can't follow him Aug 05 03:11:59 why? Aug 05 03:12:12 re: "using" homebrew, can you say with assurity that HP *isn't* playing both sides of the fence? Aug 05 03:12:18 @jperlow Damn, and I thought @engadget got paid to write articles for @Apple Aug 05 03:12:24 @jperlow #fail Aug 05 03:12:29 certainly a lot of the stuff that's out there would be really easy for them to integrate Aug 05 03:12:34 @webosinternals @jperlow Worst article I have read in a long time. Aug 05 03:12:36 that's all i said Aug 05 03:12:41 oh, but they are gone now? Aug 05 03:12:42 dwc-: What do you mean? webOSInternals is happy to have HP incorporate their work. Aug 05 03:12:55 I said his writing sounds like an upset 12 year old... Aug 05 03:13:00 ...WHICH it DOES. Aug 05 03:13:00 hahahahaahah Aug 05 03:13:04 I'm following @jperlow ;) Aug 05 03:13:06 dwc-: A smart company *will* take the open source improvements. Aug 05 03:13:11 .........which it does Aug 05 03:13:13 twbbas: I mean that as long as webosinternals IS willing to do a lot of the work Aug 05 03:13:20 and DOES do it Aug 05 03:13:30 they have an interest in supporting it Aug 05 03:13:35 which, they do Aug 05 03:13:51 he just got some facts and turned everything upside down Aug 05 03:13:54 backwards Aug 05 03:13:55 one, it leaves things for the community to do Aug 05 03:13:57 and in return HP helps them out with a server or devices Aug 05 03:13:58 like the ass he is Aug 05 03:14:05 ;) Aug 05 03:14:12 Oh well, Microsoft has a web API, maybe I should give it a try Aug 05 03:14:12 NuttyBunny: "buttocks" my friend Aug 05 03:14:21 two, it means that HP doesn't necessarily have to put as much employee resources into it Aug 05 03:14:30 Tibfib: ah, yes, sorry Aug 05 03:14:47 he should just delete the article Aug 05 03:14:49 rwhitby: I do not disagree that they should take a bunch of these things and use them Aug 05 03:14:57 in fact, I wish they would too Aug 05 03:14:58 and write a new one immediately saying he's sorry and he screwed up Aug 05 03:15:07 or tweet it Aug 05 03:15:16 ........but he won't Aug 05 03:15:16 OH MY Aug 05 03:15:16 https://twitter.com/#!/jperlow/status/99317125180686336 Aug 05 03:15:21 He called rwhitby an idiot Aug 05 03:15:23 O.o Aug 05 03:15:47 Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status. Aug 05 03:15:48 Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status. Aug 05 03:15:48 Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status. Aug 05 03:15:50 but I mean, certainly a couple of cheap interns and the typical QA process couldn't be integrating a good portion of the stuff they want really quickly Aug 05 03:15:57 fxspec06: try logging out of twitter :P Aug 05 03:16:06 fxspec06: @jperlow @webosinternals great job Rob not taking the bait and continue to feed the fire Aug 05 03:16:13 fxspec06: @whiteasianrose @webosinternals Only an idiot refuses an Op-Ed offer. Aug 05 03:16:17 "Only an idiot refuses an op-ed offer" Aug 05 03:16:24 omg Aug 05 03:16:25 you have GOT to be shitting me Aug 05 03:16:28 wow Aug 05 03:16:35 O.o Aug 05 03:16:42 wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Aug 05 03:16:47 an op ed offer from his is worth less than one from my dog Aug 05 03:16:51 he did not just go there Aug 05 03:16:54 and he thought rwhitby wasn't being civil Aug 05 03:16:56 ...my dog is really smart though Aug 05 03:16:56 Whats this hubub about Aug 05 03:17:03 https://twitter.com/#!/jperlow/status/99317125180686336 Aug 05 03:17:20 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/hp-if-you-want-folks-to-hack-the-touchpad-then-open-source-it/18013 Aug 05 03:17:57 https://twitter.com/#!/TheTylerBayne/status/99317860211503104 Aug 05 03:17:58 win Aug 05 03:18:15 dangit I had a typo there Aug 05 03:19:10 oh my gosh Aug 05 03:19:12 this guy is a joke Aug 05 03:19:20 I hade some respect for him until he called rod an idiot Aug 05 03:19:22 Tech journalist writes an article you disagree with. In spite of hostile response, he gives you a public rebuttal platform--*in his own column*. You refuse, then you and your little buddies gang up on him on twitter with a deluge of ad hominem attacks. Do you think you are behaving in an even remotely professional manner? Do you think the major international Forbes 50 corporation that backs you Aug 05 03:19:22 is amused by your behavior? Aug 05 03:19:24 yep Aug 05 03:19:26 time for bed now Aug 05 03:19:33 see ya everyone, have a good night Aug 05 03:19:42 cya Aug 05 03:19:43 HIS OWN BUDDIES?! Aug 05 03:19:56 fxspec06: where is that posted Aug 05 03:19:57 Spanska: cya Aug 05 03:20:01 http://www.twitlonger.com/show/c669aa Aug 05 03:20:06 * dwc- is bored with this and tunes out Aug 05 03:20:58 anyone still have the original language about "under the table agreement"? Aug 05 03:21:08 i'm about to go to bed Aug 05 03:21:08 summatusmentis: I read the article too late to see it :( Aug 05 03:21:29 lol and why did they turn this down and try to flame the writter on twitter? Aug 05 03:21:30 these guys are huge dicks with small dicks Aug 05 03:22:12 fxspec06: don't stoop to their level and insult them on twitter Aug 05 03:22:14 anyone have a link to the artivle? Aug 05 03:22:20 article? Aug 05 03:22:22 i won't Aug 05 03:22:24 i'm leaving it alone Aug 05 03:22:28 fxspec06: you kinda have ;) Aug 05 03:22:38 "I’ve learned on the down-low that the WebOSInternals folks are apparently acting as a form of supplementary engineering team for Hewlett-Packard and the company has an under the table agreement to take and exchange code and software engineering expertise with these folks as needed to integrate it into their products." Aug 05 03:22:42 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/hp-if-you-want-folks-to-hack-the-touchpad-then-open-source-it/18013 Aug 05 03:22:42 ^^ orig Aug 05 03:23:18 he just supposed that Aug 05 03:23:30 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/hp-if-you-want-folks-to-hack-the-touchpad-then-open-source-it/18013?tag=mantle_skin;content Aug 05 03:23:33 ah ok Aug 05 03:23:36 same one Aug 05 03:23:44 thanks Aug 05 03:23:54 PuffTheMagic: that's not the original version Aug 05 03:23:57 he may have read it in a droid/fruit/microcrap forum ;) Aug 05 03:24:00 oh yes it is Aug 05 03:24:01 sorry Aug 05 03:24:04 * haeffb is going to join webosinternals to get a piece of the action. Aug 05 03:24:05 he retweeted me Aug 05 03:24:05 thanks PuffTheMagic Aug 05 03:24:08 and mocked me Aug 05 03:24:09 https://twitter.com/#!/jperlow/status/99319282671955972 Aug 05 03:24:38 twbbas: pure class Aug 05 03:24:49 ............ Aug 05 03:25:21 https://twitter.com/#!/TheTylerBayne/status/99319763230138368 Aug 05 03:25:33 I think a lot of people have the same opinion, WebOS is great in theory, but when you use it stock it really is missing alot. Enter WebOS internals and patches and it becomes a usable platform. However instead of HP implementing changes, they rely on external teams to do the work Aug 05 03:25:42 so it is very easy to see where this comes from Aug 05 03:26:06 lmfao Aug 05 03:26:09 omg Aug 05 03:26:09 i should stop looking at twitter before i start saying some shit Aug 05 03:26:12 he doesn't get it Aug 05 03:26:14 just stup Aug 05 03:26:18 everybody just stop Aug 05 03:26:20 ignore hi Aug 05 03:26:22 i'm out Aug 05 03:26:26 can't deal w/ this Aug 05 03:26:46 not my problem etc...... k gnite peeps keep it real Aug 05 03:27:57 let me know how things played out in the morning Aug 05 03:28:15 Alright. stupid question of the day.. how do I access the .jpg file from enyo? Aug 05 03:28:16 {"name":"Shadyman","realname":"","image":[{"#text":"http://foo.com/34/52381801.jpg","size":"small"} ... Aug 05 03:28:41 the # in #text doesn't work Aug 05 03:28:56 obj.image["#text"] Aug 05 03:28:57 ? Aug 05 03:29:02 or what do you mean Aug 05 03:29:09 http://www.webosdaily.com/post/8499301291/zdnet-writer-jason-perlow-gets-it-wrong-on-webos-and Aug 05 03:29:09 obj.image[0]["#text"] Aug 05 03:29:32 Ah. Aug 05 03:29:42 thanks :) Aug 05 03:30:41 Winning! Tibfib gets +1 internets. Aug 05 03:31:02 * Tibfib puts internets with his other internets Aug 05 03:31:07 lol Aug 05 03:31:09 night people Aug 05 03:31:16 nite IGNTNUNLMTD Aug 05 03:31:23 can't wait to see how this guy gets stuffed for his idiocy Aug 05 03:31:28 night IGNTNUNLMTD Aug 05 03:31:49 "RT @ozetadev: @webosinternals @jperlow @whiteasianrose you just lost a LOT of readers man…. good job" Aug 05 03:31:52 * haeffb steals three of Tibfib's internets Aug 05 03:32:08 * halfhalo-work sells internets on the black market Aug 05 03:32:09 I think the only team that loses out on this is WebOS, no matter how you fanboys try to flame himn Aug 05 03:32:23 https://twitter.com/#!/TheTylerBayne/status/99321534681849856 Aug 05 03:32:30 okay, I'm off Aug 05 03:32:31 nigth everyone Aug 05 03:32:46 nite Tibfib Aug 05 03:32:55 night Tibfib Aug 05 03:32:56 thanks again Aug 05 03:33:13 twbbas: I'm done with this guy.. I've only sent 2 tweets, but I've seen many more.. Aug 05 03:34:22 I'm off for a while.. Aug 05 03:38:43 https://twitter.com/#!/TheTylerBayne/status/99322710815027200 Aug 05 03:38:44 I'm done. Aug 05 03:42:54 Why even waste the characters Aug 05 03:43:04 heh.. I'm done as well. It was fun, but we have work to do :) Aug 05 03:44:39 Damn Aug 05 03:44:54 hey kesne! Aug 05 03:44:56 no, no, no. its daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn Aug 05 03:45:06 Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn (girl) Aug 05 03:45:08 no its WTF Aug 05 03:45:35 Think Mark Marin introduction Aug 05 03:45:45 don't forget the z-shape snapping Aug 05 03:45:49 yep, my keyboard is already quite old and aging, most keys are really smooth, some are even losing its letters (it's a 1st gen Microsoft Natural Keyboard) ... I'll better spent its lasts keystrokes programming ;) brb Aug 05 03:46:15 How the f do you listen for accelerometer events? Aug 05 03:46:17 rwhitby: ping Aug 05 03:46:23 kesne: enyo? Aug 05 03:46:27 yeah Aug 05 03:46:37 I haven't done it in enyo yet Aug 05 03:46:41 enyooooooface Aug 05 03:47:13 job's done Aug 05 03:47:34 *in warcraft 3 peon accent* Aug 05 03:47:58 Hello Halfhalo Aug 05 03:48:11 summatusmentis: yes? Aug 05 03:48:28 will you read over a blog post, and just verify that I'm not mis-stating anything? Aug 05 03:49:29 sure Aug 05 03:49:35 I feel bad for posting after I said I was going to bed but this is worth it Aug 05 03:49:35 http://summatusmentis.com/?p=49&preview=true Aug 05 03:49:45 richardkerris is now following that zdnet guy Aug 05 03:49:46 haahaha Aug 05 03:49:51 lol! Aug 05 03:51:07 And he probably has more followers and readers now because of this Aug 05 03:51:20 yeah, I refuse to follow him Aug 05 03:51:22 summatusmentis: can't see it. Aug 05 03:51:34 rwhitby: crap, ok, hold on, I guess I'll publish it Aug 05 03:51:41 summatusmentis: email if you like Aug 05 03:52:39 * haeffb learned today: Aug 05 03:52:45 1) akanster is dohtem Aug 05 03:52:51 2) summatus mentis is two words Aug 05 03:53:03 dohtem = method backwards Aug 05 03:53:17 haeffb: :) indeed, latin Aug 05 03:53:22 Hey Kesne Aug 05 03:53:26 Hey! Aug 05 03:53:29 for those who care, http://summatusmentis.com/2011/08/05/differences-between-a-community-and-unpaid-under-the-table-labor/ is what rwhitby is reading Aug 05 03:53:33 hey, I just learned another thing Aug 05 03:53:36 lol haeffb twbbas Aug 05 03:53:39 summatusmentis: what does it mean Aug 05 03:53:45 I'll modify afterwards if it's incorrect Aug 05 03:53:48 is too lazy to use the googlez Aug 05 03:53:57 Tibfib_: summatus == supremacy, mentis == of the mind Aug 05 03:53:59 isn't it something to do with brain Aug 05 03:54:03 woot Aug 05 03:54:07 anyone else want in on this nomnomnom beta? Aug 05 03:54:08 it sounds arrogant, but it's something I think everyone should strive for Aug 05 03:54:17 summatusmentis: nice Aug 05 03:54:19 that's cool Aug 05 03:54:22 CTLAdvance: Haven't seen you around for a while Aug 05 03:54:40 Tibfib_: I'll try it Aug 05 03:54:49 you have to have a TouchPad Aug 05 03:54:57 no, enyo on pre2 Aug 05 03:54:58 I don't want to hear you complain about how it doesn't work on your pre2. Aug 05 03:55:02 yeah, I left the platform in march to begin working on phonegap projects for other platforms, and now that the touchpad finally launched I am back Aug 05 03:55:02 3) summatus mentis' blog uses fonts too small for an old guy to read Aug 05 03:55:02 will have a tp this week probably Aug 05 03:55:07 I won't complain :) Aug 05 03:55:12 PatrickC_: okay, I'll add you :) Aug 05 03:55:13 brb Aug 05 03:55:17 thanks :) Aug 05 03:55:27 you have my email? Aug 05 03:55:31 summatusmentis: Aug 05 03:55:33 oops Aug 05 03:55:36 CTLAdvance: Well welcome back, sir! Aug 05 03:55:37 summatusmentis: Great article. Aug 05 03:55:45 err blog post Aug 05 03:55:45 thanks :) Aug 05 03:55:49 brb Aug 05 03:55:51 lol... Aug 05 03:55:54 twbbas has it if you dont Aug 05 03:55:58 so does summatusmentis :) Aug 05 03:56:05 summatusmentis: It says more in there than we did in our tweets Aug 05 03:56:08 "That’s not a disputable fact. " -- > "That's an indisputable fact." Aug 05 03:56:20 twbbas: I find 140 characters limiting sometimes :) Aug 05 03:56:33 Tibfib_: i started to look into integrating into an exisiting account (like a google account) for synergy syncing, it's not clear you actually can :( Aug 05 03:56:36 summatusmentis: So limiting that he had to censor part of my post so he could mock it. Aug 05 03:56:42 DraX: aww dangit Aug 05 03:56:52 all I need is the "Auth" response when you log in Aug 05 03:57:02 which you may or may not have known already haha Aug 05 03:58:29 i also got a maps server running on my desktop at work and played with it in the emulator, the browser and webview just sends off mouse events (no touch events at all) :( Aug 05 03:58:40 and it doesn't convert double-tap into a dblclick event Aug 05 03:59:02 :( Aug 05 03:59:08 okay, now I think I'm actually going to bed Aug 05 03:59:26 looking into if i can push all index.html out with fully qualified urls Aug 05 03:59:30 and actually run it as a native app Aug 05 04:00:03 not really holding my breath though :( Aug 05 04:01:11 Tacos!! Alambre!! (literally translated as "wire") Aug 05 04:02:41 rwhitby: aparently the blog->twitter connector didn't work, just tweeted it Aug 05 04:02:45 yeah Aug 05 04:03:17 haeffb: good call, sorry for the delay Aug 05 04:03:18 NuttyBunny_Pre2: made some alambres Aug 05 04:04:17 lastnight Aug 05 04:04:25 with alot of mexican beers Aug 05 04:12:50 you guys should know that my blog now has 4x the peak traffic I've had for the past month Aug 05 04:13:14 summatusmentis: sweet Aug 05 04:13:26 just sayin' :) Aug 05 04:14:44 heh Aug 05 04:14:46 * oil read it Aug 05 04:14:54 Rod should have responded to the editor directly Aug 05 04:15:19 why? Aug 05 04:15:21 not sure why he didnt post unless there is some secret NDA he cant talk about ... Aug 05 04:15:40 Wow, another ZDNet blogger is accusing rwhitby of having no reading comprehension skills and a short attention span. Aug 05 04:15:47 oh good Aug 05 04:15:50 Now you have a bunch of WebOS fanboys trying to cover up a point that many people outside of the webOS community already think and feel Aug 05 04:15:56 vs just cutting the crap off at the head Aug 05 04:16:07 ... Aug 05 04:16:11 it's not a matter of cover up Aug 05 04:16:14 ...I feel like I missed something important. Aug 05 04:16:55 I think the state of the TP software at launch is hard to defend Aug 05 04:17:01 AtomicPlayboy: Read summatusmentis's blog post. It pretty much sums it up. http://summatusmentis.com/2011/08/05/differences-between-a-community-and-unpaid-under-the-table-labor/ Aug 05 04:17:15 * twbbas_ is off to bed Aug 05 04:17:19 its a matter of the community constantly covering up the fact that WebOS lacks and it needs its community to survive. I think everyone here missed the whole point of the article. Aug 05 04:17:50 or they chose to respond to the parts that they disagreed with Aug 05 04:18:05 though I agree about the under the table deal part being removed... Aug 05 04:18:17 the community isn't covering up the fact that webOS lacks Aug 05 04:18:30 that's the point of building on top of what webOS is Aug 05 04:18:32 If anything it would be a legitimate back room deal Aug 05 04:18:35 ;) Aug 05 04:18:58 the android ecosystem does the exact same thing, but in a much less cohesive, easy to access way Aug 05 04:19:02 it would actually be nice if we could fix more of the bugs/issues with webos than just what's in the JS Aug 05 04:19:02 hey Aug 05 04:19:23 android is only legitamtely open source if you're a phone-maker and even then Aug 05 04:19:33 all the google apps are non open source Aug 05 04:19:40 the android platform doesnt really need to be hacked if you hve a decent build of android on a decent spec'd phone Aug 05 04:19:50 DraX: I agree, and were the article making a compelling argument for open sourcing webOS, I would have no issues Aug 05 04:20:12 i actually get kind of upset when people call android open source Aug 05 04:20:15 it's really, really not Aug 05 04:20:20 The thing is the article is really trying to draw attention to how HP uses webOS Internals as a crutch Aug 05 04:20:21 CTLAdvance: I never got past the baseless personal accusations of impropriety to actually absorb the content of the article Aug 05 04:20:29 j random hacker can't really do any modifications to his device Aug 05 04:20:31 ah I see Aug 05 04:20:46 * oil wonders where he was when this "under the table" deal was made, and where his cut is Aug 05 04:21:06 oil: that's tweet worthy Aug 05 04:21:18 dangit. did it again Aug 05 04:21:24 CTLAdvance: the article would have stood just as well without the accusations, and would then have been taken seriously by me. Aug 05 04:21:28 did what? Aug 05 04:21:36 If you dont want to refute him from the top down then it is best to stop giving him any tweets etc Aug 05 04:21:38 said I was going to bed and came back Aug 05 04:21:42 just getting people to read the article Aug 05 04:21:45 ah Aug 05 04:21:45 well. never left Aug 05 04:21:47 CTLAdvance: I agree that the article starts that way. I even agree that this may have been his best-effort attempt at making that point Aug 05 04:22:15 however, i will take your sleepy advice Tibfib_ :) Aug 05 04:22:15 CTLAdvance: people should read the article. just not the bit where he accuses me of fraudulent behaviour Aug 05 04:22:21 I do agree that any personal attacks or misinformed under the table discussions should have been left out Aug 05 04:22:27 yep Aug 05 04:22:44 CTLAdvance: however, he a) fails to make a compelling argument for that, and b) manages make insinuations that tarnish not only HP, but also the WOSI community Aug 05 04:23:09 and B, at the very least, is enough to be called out on it Aug 05 04:23:43 s/it// Aug 05 04:23:49 Thats fine but the way the community is responding is like a bunch of flaming fanboys, who look pathetic, regarless of insult, the response should have come from the top, now people think you are more of a joke then anything Aug 05 04:24:00 even if the response came from a separate blog of rods Aug 05 04:24:13 or webosroundup or something Aug 05 04:25:30 making arguments through a medium that the author of the article is responding makes people look like pathetic flaming fanboys? Aug 05 04:26:01 i hope the ":D Aug 05 04:26:04 pew pew pew pew pew Aug 05 04:26:19 in my tweet properly conveyed the sarcasm Aug 05 04:26:21 * Tibfib_ IS FINALLY GOING TO BED Aug 05 04:26:25 maybe Aug 05 04:26:27 lies Aug 05 04:26:40 3. Aug 05 04:26:42 2. 1. Aug 05 04:26:53 thats not nearly enough sheep Aug 05 04:28:45 CTLAdvance: I had no confidence that any "Op-Ed" piece would not be edited before publication. Aug 05 04:31:38 Tibfib_: Nomnomnom is amazing! and works perfectly on the pre2! Aug 05 04:33:08 warthogkernel retweet in webosinternals feed is indistinguishable from a normal post xD Aug 05 04:33:25 hm. 900 lines in one kind. probably a bad sign ... Aug 05 04:33:58 survey says: refactor! Aug 05 04:34:04 lol Aug 05 04:35:13 PuffTheMagic: ping Aug 05 04:35:46 ? Aug 05 04:35:59 did the compiler ever finish? Aug 05 04:36:14 not the compiler we are waiting on Aug 05 04:36:19 its someone to install nodejs Aug 05 04:36:21 and no Aug 05 04:36:25 ah Aug 05 04:36:26 ok Aug 05 04:37:02 hmm.. I wonder if I could use node.js to write a script... Aug 05 04:37:13 ugh, love how when you put a kind into its own file, all the div ids change. Aug 05 04:37:19 I'll have to look into that Aug 05 04:37:28 thus .. breaking all the CSS rules. Aug 05 04:40:25 Adora: hey Aug 05 04:41:02 PatrickC: ``write a script''? Aug 05 04:41:09 like something to generate a few files/folders Aug 05 04:41:27 i think services run in a jail Aug 05 04:41:36 but the fs module would support that generally Aug 05 04:41:44 biggest number of app downloads ever today. woot. Aug 05 04:42:35 i wonder if i death-glare at iframe long enough if it will do what i want Aug 05 04:42:48 that's usually how it works, yeah Aug 05 04:43:37 iframe and select control - always that lurking evil. dont mess w/ em. Aug 05 04:43:38 no response on my forum post either *sigh* Aug 05 04:44:04 NuttyBunny_Pre2: you there?? Aug 05 04:44:07 as best i can tell unless you want to write content into an iframe it's totally broken Aug 05 04:44:10 * PatrickC has a question Aug 05 04:44:52 5x increase in PHD sales due to Pivot magazine :) Aug 05 04:45:29 nice. Aug 05 04:46:07 rwhitby: awesome! Aug 05 04:46:41 rwhitby: amazing! Aug 05 04:47:58 time to buy a yacht and retire? Aug 05 04:48:56 time to buy lunch Aug 05 04:51:15 lol Aug 05 04:53:16 who dares to speak my name? Aug 05 04:54:03 NuttyBunny_Pre2_: doesn't photofun use node.js to make files/folders? Aug 05 04:55:35 yep Aug 05 04:56:26 see PM Aug 05 04:59:27 hah https://twitter.com/#!/jperlow/status/99343041462157312 Aug 05 05:00:01 picking a fight with the press is often not a good idea Aug 05 05:00:14 thats what blackmail is for Aug 05 05:01:24 this is awesome Aug 05 05:01:24 http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2011/08/03/so-youre-mad-about-something-on-the-internet/ Aug 05 05:01:36 I need to save this for fanboys Aug 05 05:02:00 dick infinity Aug 05 05:02:01 lol Aug 05 05:02:21 @jperlow == dick infinity Aug 05 05:02:42 lol Aug 05 05:02:58 * PatrickC is actually learning JS! and I know more now then I did before! :D Aug 05 05:03:03 anyone who continually responded is also the highest dick rating Aug 05 05:03:15 aside from rod himself Aug 05 05:03:39 ur a dick Aug 05 05:04:32 you sir are a dick for calling me a dick Aug 05 05:04:39 u called me a dick first Aug 05 05:04:44 though I see now this has NSFW humor in it Aug 05 05:04:50 cant save this one Aug 05 05:05:04 I made a general statement Aug 05 05:05:16 if you fall into the category then I am sorry to hear that Aug 05 05:05:17 it was very specific Aug 05 05:05:55 Huh. Uncaught Error: INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11, /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js:5,660 Aug 05 05:08:08 uh... 16GB Tp on woot, $380, brand new Aug 05 05:08:17 holy crap Aug 05 05:08:51 ! Aug 05 05:09:30 I spent $550 on my 32GB less than a month ago :-/ Aug 05 05:09:38 cost of being an early adopter I guess Aug 05 05:09:51 32GB is still ~$100 more expensive than the 16. Aug 05 05:10:09 well yeah, but that's a significant price drop is all Aug 05 05:10:15 16GB is going for $450 in canada Aug 05 05:10:23 not sure what it's going for stateside Aug 05 05:10:41 $00 this weekend, apparently $380 today on woot Aug 05 05:10:48 $400* Aug 05 05:10:51 16gb will go for about $700 in Mexico Aug 05 05:11:01 yeah i got a 16gb one pre-order and it was $500 Aug 05 05:11:03 (if it ever comes) Aug 05 05:11:31 summatusmentis, it really is lame that those of us who try and help the HP/webos ecosystems by getting dev devices right off the bat get screwed so bad Aug 05 05:11:33 meeeh, remind me not to fall for the early adopter tax again Aug 05 05:11:48 PuffTheMagic: srsly Aug 05 05:12:04 I wonder what Best Buy's price-matching policy is Aug 05 05:12:22 summatusmentis: 14 or 30 days Aug 05 05:12:28 14 for computery things, IIRC Aug 05 05:12:37 I'm past 14 Aug 05 05:12:46 unless tablet doesn't count as computery thing Aug 05 05:12:51 unlikely. Aug 05 05:12:58 this ain't their first rodeo Aug 05 05:13:10 yeah, I assumed as much Aug 05 05:13:24 buh-mer Aug 05 05:13:47 oh, it's late, I guess Aug 05 05:13:53 the TP launched in Canada with the $70-off instant rebate Aug 05 05:14:07 * PatrickC will bbl Aug 05 05:14:08 bestbuy's flyer was wrong, since they had printed them up weeks earlier Aug 05 05:14:17 learning JS.. can't be distracted :) Aug 05 05:14:58 PatrickC_ is learning JS.... FINALLY... WOOT! Aug 05 05:15:01 'night all Aug 05 05:15:03 Welcome to the darkside Aug 05 05:15:16 CTLAdvance: its nice over here.. Aug 05 05:15:23 lots of cool people :) Aug 05 05:16:18 Javascript leads to customization, customization leads to anger, and anger leads to the darkside.... and customization leads to bigger paychecks, bigger paychecks leads to greed and more customization, more customization leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside Aug 05 05:16:38 yes there are Aug 05 05:16:40 psst... summatusmentis , it's "webOS", not "WebOS" :) Aug 05 05:16:41 :) Aug 05 05:16:54 Excellent article btw :D Aug 05 05:17:16 CTLAdvance: so it all ends in the darkside? Aug 05 05:17:32 well when you make enough to stop coding then the anger goes away Aug 05 05:17:33 so no Aug 05 05:17:34 CTLAdvance: bigger pay checks didn't come till they forced c++ on me :P Aug 05 05:17:41 lol Aug 05 05:18:01 NuttyBunny_Pre2_: My webOS polo shirt agrees with you Aug 05 05:19:33 http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/comics/2011-05-25-infinibox.gif Aug 05 05:19:44 these cartoons are pretty nice Aug 05 05:21:12 http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/comics/2009-02-27.gif Aug 05 05:21:55 hah Aug 05 05:23:50 then again I do like dilbert Aug 05 05:23:51 http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/20000/9000/800/129849/129849.strip.gif Aug 05 05:24:30 or http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/20000/9000/800/129848/129848.strip.gif Aug 05 05:25:45 * NuttyBunny leaves IRC for today. Aug 05 05:27:08 I just bought a touchpad, and now I'm trying to get it to be more useful. I want to store tv episodes on it, for on the go viewing... but i can't figure out what format to make them. what's webos capable of playing? is there a build of mplayer for webos? what have other people done to solve this? Aug 05 05:31:04 halfhalo: are you around? Aug 05 05:40:34 AHH!! I'm learning! :D Aug 05 05:40:58 the little usb door on my pre+ finally broke off Aug 05 05:41:03 took a while Aug 05 05:42:47 haha I killed my browser :P Aug 05 05:57:14 Hm. Does enyo's Sound.play() stream, or does it try to download it all and then play? Aug 05 05:58:17 should stream imo Aug 05 05:58:20 not sure though Aug 05 05:58:42 akanster: sort of Aug 05 05:59:43 quick pm? Aug 05 05:59:51 sure Aug 05 07:05:23 ah. I'm off to bed. fixed the facebook app with Abyssul, learned about boolians, vars, while, for, etc. tonight, al in all, it was a good night :) Aug 05 07:09:51 HaDAk: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-tips-information-resources/287212-handbrake-preset-dvds.html Aug 05 07:10:11 jhojho: i was hoping not to have to convert everything. no luck with that, eh? Aug 05 07:10:16 welp.. wirc broke again.. cya Aug 05 07:10:41 theres kalemsoft something player but I haven't tried it Aug 05 07:16:39 HEy Aug 05 07:16:40 Er Aug 05 07:16:41 hey Aug 05 07:16:44 Bah Aug 05 07:16:49 Hello. Aug 05 07:16:51 That's better Aug 05 07:43:06 hi kesne Aug 05 07:43:30 dkirker: Can you try to help me? Aug 05 07:43:45 I can certainly try. Aug 05 07:44:29 Well Aug 05 07:44:44 I have an app, and it opens up a separate window with enyo.windows.activate Aug 05 07:44:51 Then I want to reactivate the main window. Aug 05 07:45:02 But when I try to activate it, it opens a new card. Aug 05 07:45:41 hmmm Aug 05 07:46:36 I don't know a ton about Enyo, yet... :/ Aug 05 07:46:51 So, I should probably ask someone else? heh Aug 05 07:47:20 yeah. Ben Combee might be more useful than me. At some point I will need to learn all of this... Aug 05 07:48:01 Don't you work for HP now? Aug 05 07:48:17 Yeah. I've been so busy I haven't had time to learn Enyo. Aug 05 07:48:28 Well, I have been a little bit here and there. Aug 05 07:49:32 I need to stop working until midnight... Aug 05 07:51:05 Join the club, haha Aug 05 07:52:02 Ha! Aug 05 07:52:04 I think I got it! Aug 05 07:52:33 Hell yeah Aug 05 07:52:42 nice?! Aug 05 07:52:45 "Back to Photos" is finally functional, thank god Aug 05 07:52:49 Just adding things to my camera app Aug 05 07:53:01 I saw that when it came in for review. :) Aug 05 07:53:11 I believe that I purchased a copy this evening, too. Aug 05 07:53:17 Oh, sweet! Thanks! :) Aug 05 07:53:30 That was quite a challenge to program Aug 05 07:54:08 Writing on the enyo mediacapture api's which were converted to enyo a week ago, and released to devs about 1 hour prior to when I wrote it. Aug 05 07:54:15 No docs on it, or anything Aug 05 07:54:24 And none of the HP people had any idea, haha Aug 05 07:54:49 Yeah. Except the one guy that wrote it. :P Aug 05 07:54:57 Well Aug 05 07:55:07 Ben wasn't there :P Aug 05 07:55:15 I was at the workshop Aug 05 07:55:28 It was such a pain to get working Aug 05 07:56:07 Fun-fact: the parent window is called "window" Aug 05 07:56:22 right Aug 05 07:57:12 Unless you define it otherwise Aug 05 07:57:34 A camera app should not have to be this complicated Aug 05 07:57:38 I wrote a node service for it Aug 05 07:58:34 you should add a photo booth type feature to it :) Aug 05 07:59:01 If webOS could support it, I would :O Aug 05 07:59:24 Oh, that's right. To make it look "good" you'd have to do live photo manip... Aug 05 07:59:29 you could always "fake" it Aug 05 07:59:36 take the photo, then apply the filters afterwards. Aug 05 07:59:59 that just sounds a bit nasty though Aug 05 08:00:13 hmmmm... I *should* be sleeping right now... But I really want to work on this app. Aug 05 08:01:20 Work! Aug 05 08:01:37 I'm working on doing some image filters via canvas and saving the raw canvas data Aug 05 08:01:41 But that's not fun. Aug 05 08:02:03 I could rewrite the app using the PDK. Aug 05 08:02:11 But then I'd have to pay my PDK guy. Aug 05 08:50:23 helloo all.. Aug 05 08:51:00 i have created a node.js chat server in webos but how can approach to make the client side using enyo Aug 05 08:51:11 ne1??? Aug 05 09:28:11 hey.. Aug 05 09:28:39 ne1 know how to procced for chat client in webos Aug 05 09:32:31 Does not look like it Aug 05 09:56:43 sunnyuff: can't you integrate the node.js stuff you need into your enyo app? Aug 05 12:11:26 So what else I miss last night? Hmmm? Aug 05 12:21:44 The rebate starts today? Aug 05 12:24:23 Yep. Aug 05 12:25:08 thats all i can say sorry ;D Aug 05 12:25:40 Aw, I meant about the J.Perlow idiocy Aug 05 12:28:33 yeah, that does appear to be dramatic Aug 05 12:43:33 IGNTNUNLMTD: ? Aug 05 12:44:07 Read @webOSInternals on Twitter from the last 12 hours Aug 05 12:44:54 hotdp: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/hp-if-you-want-folks-to-hack-the-touchpad-then-open-source-it/18013 Aug 05 12:45:05 Jason Perlow, who calls himself a journalist, wrote a libelous and overly harsh article about the TouchPad and webOS Internals Aug 05 12:49:05 ohh i saw the tweets but did never get it Aug 05 12:49:07 thanks Aug 05 12:49:25 is the wrtier a man we should respect? Aug 05 12:52:07 looking at the list of articles on that blog, he seems more like a tabloid journalist Aug 05 12:52:44 oki Aug 05 13:07:48 also read summantus response Aug 05 13:09:20 summatusmentis's Aug 05 13:09:25 the grasshopper's response Aug 05 13:10:12 fxspec06, where is it? Aug 05 13:11:12 http://summatusmentis.com/2011/08/05/differences-between-a-community-and-unpaid-under-the-table-labor/ Aug 05 13:12:12 nice Aug 05 13:12:46 good reading Aug 05 13:13:50 thanks hotdp Aug 05 13:14:44 what I find most telling about the whole thing is his complete unwillingness to engage in actual conversation, and his pretty obvious preference to turn to personal attack over twitter Aug 05 13:15:25 now, the skeptic in me wonders if he didn't know precisely what he was doing, and did it as an attempt to get readership Aug 05 13:16:19 that would be strange Aug 05 13:16:22 nice article. i posted on there a lil bit ago Aug 05 13:16:24 maybe some inner hating? Aug 05 13:17:15 hotdp: strange, maybe. Thing is, he's a writer, I assume ZDNet has expectations about what kind of readership you bring in, and bases your pay on it Aug 05 13:17:53 he's NOT the editor in chief Aug 05 13:18:02 i wonder what his relationship to the editor in chief is Aug 05 13:18:12 right, exactly, which is why he'd be on the hook for bringing in readership Aug 05 13:18:54 has someone tweeted him about it? Aug 05 13:19:33 hotdp, don't Aug 05 13:19:46 the discussion will only quickly descend into a flamewar Aug 05 13:19:56 hotdp: a number of people have, a few of them got blocked last night Aug 05 13:20:20 rwhitby got called an idiot Aug 05 13:20:32 twbbas' post got modified, retweeted, then mocked Aug 05 13:21:36 does anyone just end up -not- getting text messages until you reboot your pre2? Aug 05 13:21:41 i was one who got blocked. and i barely said anything Aug 05 13:21:47 they dont show up until i restart my phone Aug 05 13:22:37 kinda useless Aug 05 13:22:49 matbee: I've never seen that Aug 05 13:23:00 its happened multiple times Aug 05 13:23:47 have you been doing heavy CPU stuff? Aug 05 13:23:52 nope Aug 05 13:24:03 phoque_uni: it was not because i wanted to Aug 05 13:24:03 unless idle counts Aug 05 13:24:04 are you underclocking? Aug 05 13:24:08 just wanted to know Aug 05 13:24:10 nope Aug 05 13:24:13 I see Aug 05 13:24:40 matbee: the only time I saw stuff like what was when I underclocked to 125mhz when my screen was off, as an attempt to save battery Aug 05 13:24:48 summatusmentis: blocked from where? Aug 05 13:24:52 turns out, 125mhz isn't fast enough to keep up with anything the OS is doing Aug 05 13:25:01 hotdp: just on twitter, he'd block the accounts that replied Aug 05 13:25:09 and i only have 3 patches... flashlight, just charge by default and advanced camera Aug 05 13:26:14 yeah, I'm out of ideas. Are you in low-reception areas? Aug 05 13:26:22 LOL! Aug 05 13:27:29 summatusmentis, not really, it's just plain weird Aug 05 13:27:36 i -get- the messages, but they dont show up until reboot Aug 05 13:27:41 its sad and fun at the same time Aug 05 13:28:43 is there an overclock for the pre2 at all? Aug 05 13:28:48 1ghz isnt nearly fast enough :P Aug 05 13:30:18 there is but my phone can't go more than 1.1 Aug 05 13:32:01 ahh Aug 05 13:33:19 what version are you running? Aug 05 13:40:19 version of which? Aug 05 13:40:57 webos? Aug 05 13:41:05 uberkernel is not available for 2.0.1 Aug 05 13:44:24 2.1.0 Aug 05 13:45:07 bbl Aug 05 13:47:24 uberkernel is in preware for 2.1, and the otehrs in test feeds Aug 05 13:53:40 hmm Aug 05 13:54:22 I have testing-all and testing armv7, but no sign of uberkernel Aug 05 13:59:29 summatusmentis: have you checked out the latest nomnomnom Aug 05 13:59:31 ? Aug 05 13:59:52 last night a bit, yeah Aug 05 14:00:53 it seems like a lot of the weird rendering issues I was running into have been fixed Aug 05 14:01:03 based only on very brief testing Aug 05 14:01:22 oic, i have to add the kernel testing feeds Aug 05 14:01:23 :p Aug 05 14:01:40 performance should be pretty good now Aug 05 14:01:59 yeah, it seems snappier Aug 05 14:03:04 I think I'm still hitting that FeedBurner issue Aug 05 14:03:24 do you have an example? Aug 05 14:03:35 i.e. url Aug 05 14:04:30 lemme make sure I get the right one, but both precentral and webosroundup's entries in my reader do it Aug 05 14:04:47 I have both precentral and webosroundup and they seem to work Aug 05 14:04:59 http://feeds.feedburner.com/Precentralnet?format=xml Aug 05 14:05:24 it's like it loads the whole RSS feed, not just new ones, and the new entries don't get marked as new until I go to "All" Aug 05 14:05:34 then the expected behavior occurs Aug 05 14:06:02 summatusmentis: oh, I can replicate Aug 05 14:06:04 thanks for the feed Aug 05 14:06:07 sure thing Aug 05 14:06:07 I should be able to fix it Aug 05 14:06:17 what feed do you use for precentral? Aug 05 14:08:02 http://www.precentral.net/rss.xml Aug 05 14:08:57 fxspec06, I added the kernel testing feed to no avail... is it uberkernel? Aug 05 14:09:10 summatusmentis: I might have to escape the ? Aug 05 14:09:22 Tibfib: ah, that makes sense Aug 05 14:09:31 yeah Aug 05 14:10:13 what do you guys think of this? http://www.zumodrive.com/share/dVhzZTA5YT Aug 05 14:10:14 nm Aug 05 14:10:18 had to manually update feeds Aug 05 14:10:26 honest opinions Aug 05 14:11:07 what? Aug 05 14:11:15 PatrickC: what are you asking, the BB announcment? Aug 05 14:11:19 or that screenshot? Aug 05 14:11:20 the new facebook ? Aug 05 14:11:31 screenshot Aug 05 14:11:36 nice screenshot? Aug 05 14:11:42 I'm working on a patch for "night mode" Aug 05 14:11:45 oh Aug 05 14:11:47 ohhhhh Aug 05 14:11:53 link text is hard to read Aug 05 14:12:02 yeah Aug 05 14:12:04 body text could be a bit bigger Aug 05 14:12:20 ok, I'll add that to the to-do Aug 05 14:12:32 buttons don't stand out Aug 05 14:12:56 the title "Blackberry bold 9900 ..." should be ligther Aug 05 14:13:10 which I think summatusmentis said Aug 05 14:13:42 but... it's the bold Aug 05 14:13:43 ;-) Aug 05 14:14:08 otherwise, generally ok Aug 05 14:15:19 ok, thanks for the feedback. 1 more question. Aug 05 14:15:49 would you rather have this patch force change it (make it always look like that) in-app preference, or tweek? Aug 05 14:16:02 either in-app preference or tweak Aug 05 14:16:13 or possibly depending on the devices time change it (like from 9PM-7AM) Aug 05 14:17:48 summatusmentis: okay should be fixed Aug 05 14:18:04 PatrickC: preference I think Aug 05 14:18:16 ok, preferences it is Aug 05 14:18:45 oh yeah an easy way to do the pref would be via tweaks Aug 05 14:18:47 now.. I need to figure out how to include images inside a patch.. Aug 05 14:19:00 summatusmentis: thanks for helping me narrow that down Aug 05 14:19:09 can someone explain to me why webos is so slow Aug 05 14:19:56 hahah Aug 05 14:21:11 hellman1, because its awesome Aug 05 14:22:43 it's awesome so it has to be slow? Aug 05 14:23:01 hellman1, yea, what else? Aug 05 14:23:11 android was able to say that for so long... why not webos Aug 05 14:23:21 ;) Aug 05 14:24:40 Tibfib_: of course, glad I can help Aug 05 14:25:02 they need to fix the speed. it has been over 2 years Aug 05 14:25:53 hellman1: what device do you have? Aug 05 14:25:55 i was using an android device over a year ago and it wasn't slow at all Aug 05 14:26:19 i use to have a Pre. i was messing with the touchpad in the store and i realize the speed hasn't improved much Aug 05 14:26:24 bbl Aug 05 15:00:56 Tibfib_, summatusmentis, matbee: company this http://www.zumodrive.com/share/dVhzZTA5YT to this http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/photos-temp-1jpg-1.jpg Aug 05 15:09:25 * haeffb looking forward to PatrickC 2.0 Aug 05 15:10:53 * haeffb also resists urge to get involved in TwitterWar2011 Aug 05 15:19:06 twitterwar :D Aug 05 15:23:00 haeffb: PatrickC 2.0? lol Aug 05 15:23:26 the new version after studying Eloquent Javascript Aug 05 15:23:38 ah Aug 05 15:23:54 last night we learned about boolian, vary, for, while Aug 05 15:24:04 var* Aug 05 15:24:09 var Aug 05 15:24:15 if, elseif, else Aug 05 15:24:16 ? Aug 05 15:24:23 not yet Aug 05 15:24:33 only on chapter 2.. which is super long lol Aug 05 15:24:37 ok, I'll wait for PatrickC_ 3.0 Aug 05 15:24:44 lol Aug 05 15:24:50 no point in an intermediate upgrade Aug 05 15:24:53 there's like 16 chapters I think Aug 05 15:25:39 so, does just type search memo's for you guys? Aug 05 15:25:40 i like billians Aug 05 15:25:44 i dont get a single memo showing up Aug 05 15:25:48 dey my fav Aug 05 15:26:56 which one of these looks better?http://www.zumodrive.com/share/dVhzZTA5YT to this http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/photos-temp-1jpg-1.jpg Aug 05 15:27:32 * haeffb doesn't use memos Aug 05 15:33:34 * halfhalo-work may or may not have ordered another TP Aug 05 15:34:42 another? why? lol Aug 05 15:35:12 I do CRAZY stuff with mine Aug 05 15:35:59 really haha Aug 05 15:36:02 im too poor Aug 05 15:36:05 morning, all Aug 05 15:36:34 16GB touchpad on woot for $380, that's pretty sweet Aug 05 15:36:44 I'm waiting for it to hit the $200 mark Aug 05 15:36:48 that's when I'll strike :P Aug 05 15:37:16 matbee: good luck with that Aug 05 15:37:30 it'll happen when the touchpad 2 comes out Aug 05 15:37:51 being a generation behind is awesome because you get all of the updates and less of the bugs Aug 05 15:40:30 that's one way to look at it Aug 05 15:41:09 early adopting is too much for me Aug 05 15:41:53 * hotdp wonders if the 100$ is a better deal then the dev discount or if they can be combined? Aug 05 15:46:00 * PatrickC_ wonders if people prefer quote or no quotes in the facebook patch... Aug 05 15:48:52 NuttyBunny: which: http://www.zumodrive.com/share/dVhzZTA5YT or http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/photos-temp-1jpg-1.jpg Aug 05 15:49:07 yes, hello :P Aug 05 15:49:15 hey :) Aug 05 15:49:27 yep, looks nice :) Aug 05 15:49:33 quite nice for a dark room Aug 05 15:49:38 which one looks better? Aug 05 15:49:40 where's the patch? Aug 05 15:49:43 they are different ;) Aug 05 15:49:46 in the making Aug 05 15:51:37 my pre2's been randomly shutting off lately. Aug 05 15:51:39 =( Aug 05 15:51:43 :( Aug 05 15:51:51 jus looked again, and it's off Aug 05 15:52:00 battery issue? Aug 05 15:52:02 and it's not like it makes a super noise when it shuts off Aug 05 15:52:06 fxspec06: weird :( Aug 05 15:52:20 PatrickC_, I'd go with the gray one Aug 05 15:52:21 could be. i have the selios 2600 and others reported that issue too Aug 05 15:52:33 mayb it's not stuffed in there enough. i'll clean the terminals later Aug 05 15:52:41 NuttyBunny: with or without quotes, thats what I'm looking for ;) Aug 05 15:52:53 fxspec06: you have a Seidio? Aug 05 15:53:03 PatrickC_: no quotes Aug 05 15:53:19 that's what I thought. Aug 05 15:53:21 ok, thanks Aug 05 15:53:41 I'll refine it a bit more, figure out how to include pix in a patch, and submit Aug 05 15:53:59 I want my pockets to be a touchstone Aug 05 15:54:02 yeah sedio, selios i think it's selios Aug 05 15:54:06 so it charges my phone in my pocket Aug 05 15:54:07 lol Aug 05 15:54:07 it's AMAZING Aug 05 15:54:08 fxspec06: whenever the batteries get overcharged, they lose the ability to supply enough current in a spike, and the phone just dies. It happened to me with a high capacity battery, whenever I tried to take a picture with flash, the Pre just shut down Aug 05 15:54:39 matbee: that's where my balls of steel come in handy Aug 05 15:54:41 ; ) Aug 05 15:54:47 damn Aug 05 15:54:49 im jealous Aug 05 15:55:12 note to self: when installing an ipk, make sure you check to make sure palm-install is pointed to the right device Aug 05 15:55:26 How much till the 1.4.x people start crying about no longer being able to access Facebook? :D Aug 05 15:55:34 lol Aug 05 15:55:35 place your bets! Aug 05 15:55:41 that's sad Aug 05 15:55:50 atleast apple updates their devices mildly Aug 05 15:56:26 halfhalo-work: you can point palm-install to multiple devices? Aug 05 15:56:44 halfhalo-work: note to self: always check the command you're using (using the up key), you don't want to replace a big backup with the new empty filesystem you just created :( Aug 05 15:57:02 PatrickC_: Use "-d tcp" for emu, "-d usb" for device Aug 05 15:57:06 hah Aug 05 15:57:16 NuttyBunny: or do a rm -rm * Aug 05 15:57:32 rm -rf* Aug 05 15:57:34 or if you use novacom -l, you get a list of devices, you can use that list as well if you have several devices Aug 05 15:57:41 see, i have many usb devices plugged in. i keep forgetting to make sure i'm on the right one Aug 05 15:57:55 rm -rf / _does_ work. I have done it. for kicks. Aug 05 15:58:08 haha Aug 05 15:58:12 no warning? Aug 05 15:58:14 chuqui!! Aug 05 15:58:16 halfhalo-work: you should make scripts :) Aug 05 15:58:26 yo yo Aug 05 15:58:37 bah, scripts. Aug 05 15:58:38 * PatrickC makes a script named "doesntRemoveAnything" Aug 05 15:58:43 chuqui!!! still no answer from the team!! I might have to arrange to buy one of those 299 16Gb TouchPads ;) Aug 05 15:59:06 NuttyBunny: I wouldn't blame you. that's a good deal. and the other discounts would still be there later. Aug 05 15:59:07 btw, Hi chuqui ! :) Aug 05 15:59:17 hola chuqui. Aug 05 16:00:08 chuqui: What's the "official" position with the 1.4.x people and the latest facebook update? :( Aug 05 16:00:15 hola senior chuqi Aug 05 16:00:20 Hey Adora ! Aug 05 16:00:22 seńor Aug 05 16:00:23 Adora!!! Aug 05 16:00:34 now its a party! Aug 05 16:00:46 ruh oh Aug 05 16:00:55 * NuttyBunny uses his party hat from photofun ;) Aug 05 16:01:14 * fxspec06 digs out his high school freshman dance wig Aug 05 16:01:50 booodora Aug 05 16:01:56 NuttyBunny: I dunno. haven't been ivolved Aug 05 16:02:07 she thinks she's so cool Aug 05 16:02:20 matbee: she is. Aug 05 16:02:23 * PatrickC goes to patching the facebook app to make it something it should have.. Aug 05 16:02:29 chuqui: Ah, because with the latest additions (exhibition + just type), they've officially phased out 1.4.x :( Aug 05 16:02:36 go back to your forum lands chuqui! Aug 05 16:02:50 matbee: yessir. rightawaysir. Aug 05 16:02:58 haha Aug 05 16:03:10 but first, coffee. Aug 05 16:03:11 and a nap. Aug 05 16:03:14 any new secret private sections for me Aug 05 16:03:21 naps are good Aug 05 16:04:35 cube boobytrap complete! Aug 05 16:04:47 nap first, then coffee Aug 05 16:05:07 pillage, rape, THEN burn. Aug 05 16:15:17 halfhalo-work: what? lol Aug 05 16:28:34 Will be able to just put a gsm radio to a 16gb touchpad and make it a 3g one? Aug 05 16:31:43 hey kesne Aug 05 16:31:48 Hey! Aug 05 16:33:55 hola Aug 05 16:34:08 hows your orientation change coming Aug 05 16:34:43 It's done! Aug 05 16:34:59 Got the raw events, and wrote a threshold script to work with it. Aug 05 16:35:29 nice! glad it worked out Aug 05 16:38:35 I am too, heh Aug 05 16:38:51 The only problem now is that CSS transitions mess with the video kind Aug 05 16:42:51 NuttyBunny: ping Aug 05 16:46:09 fxspec06: you near a computer? Aug 05 16:59:15 twbbas_: ping!! Aug 05 17:00:48 http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/1116269/ Aug 05 17:07:15 seems like Tide finally made it though the builder Aug 05 17:08:43 so its in the feeds? Aug 05 17:09:03 ya, im doing a test install right now to make sure it works Aug 05 17:09:08 ok Aug 05 17:09:10 lemme know Aug 05 17:09:18 does it use node.js already? Aug 05 17:09:47 wtf does that mean? Aug 05 17:10:04 does Tide use a node.js service already? Aug 05 17:10:31 yes Aug 05 17:10:33 for fileio Aug 05 17:10:41 but something is not right with it right now for some reason Aug 05 17:10:41 :( Aug 05 17:10:55 so it already make dir/files? Aug 05 17:11:41 i didnt add a method to make dirs yet Aug 05 17:11:47 but it read/writes files Aug 05 17:11:48 then it would be very easy to use a palm-generate-like command, have it generate in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications and when they click the "package" button, it just does a luna-rescan Aug 05 17:11:49 and reads dirs Aug 05 17:12:10 if you can make it create dirs, then the ODD is done Aug 05 17:12:26 ODD? Aug 05 17:12:33 i plan on making it mkdirs Aug 05 17:12:37 On-Device-Development Aug 05 17:12:44 So, does anyone know of a ready-built android to webOS porting tool? I was led to believe that if you would bundle a JVM into the Android code, that it would just work. Any truth to this? Aug 05 17:14:15 if you just have a generate button, have the user define the app name and company name (to make the appID) then have the folder name itself com.company.appName and have the appinfo change accordingly Aug 05 17:14:32 and have a button that does a luna rescan, your done Aug 05 17:16:09 this isnt going to be webos centric Aug 05 17:16:42 meaning? Aug 05 17:16:47 if you need to use palm-generate you probably are not going to be developing with Tide Aug 05 17:17:03 it was just a clean/easy way Aug 05 17:17:22 rather then having to mkdir com.company.appName Aug 05 17:17:44 cd com...; mkdir source; touch ... Aug 05 17:17:46 etc. Aug 05 17:17:48 nickwcccp: I have not heard of any ready-built solutions for porting Android apps. But theoretically you could bundle a JVM as a PDK app (not sure how tricky this would be to setup; YMMV) Aug 05 17:18:22 NuttyBunny: where was this so-called 299 touchpad? Aug 05 17:19:04 HattCzech_work: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/1116269/ Aug 05 17:19:35 ahh, staples Aug 05 17:19:43 but then i don't get my developer discount Aug 05 17:20:12 you still could/would Aug 05 17:20:17 you could have both Aug 05 17:20:41 im not turning Tide into ares Aug 05 17:21:04 how would it be ares? Aug 05 17:21:29 it would be a drag-and-drop, or require java in any way Aug 05 17:22:30 look, there are just many more things that are more important that integrating palm-* tools right now Aug 05 17:22:36 like scm integration Aug 05 17:22:53 that's fine, I'll still be working on it Aug 05 17:23:01 I need node.js for my app anyway Aug 05 17:29:15 ianbeck: Thanks... I have a friend with about 25 android apps and I'd like to see him port them all, but I gotta make it cheap and easy for him Aug 05 17:33:35 Is there any disadvantage to getting a 16gb touchpad for development? Aug 05 17:33:50 not really imho Aug 05 17:33:53 donc: No; only difference so far as I know is the amount of disk space Aug 05 17:33:54 not at all... and Today's woot is a great deal Aug 05 17:34:05 the hardware is the same other than disc Aug 05 17:34:27 if you want to put a carepack on it though, you need to watch out where you buy it Aug 05 17:34:49 PuffTheMagic: what feed is Tide in? Aug 05 17:34:50 can anyone confirm the staples 299 deal? Aug 05 17:34:52 yeah, amazon has them for $400 and I have a gift cert so it's almost too good to pass up Aug 05 17:34:53 there are two versions, the big-box stores apparently can't add carepacks to the model they sell Aug 05 17:35:04 staples around here doesn't have any 16gb Aug 05 17:35:21 HattCzech_work: The WebOSRoundup article was updated to say that their local Staples store verified the $200 off thing would work Aug 05 17:35:29 I'm going to see if they'll honor the coupon on the 32gb Aug 05 17:35:30 cool Aug 05 17:36:14 WautierEnt:What's a carepack? Extended warranty like applecare? Aug 05 17:36:34 yes Aug 05 17:36:38 er... Aug 05 17:36:47 sry... new to irc Aug 05 17:37:24 PatrickC: its in testing but dont waste your time right now cause there is an issue Aug 05 17:37:34 ok. Aug 05 17:37:42 my question was which testing :) Aug 05 17:37:52 cause I didn't see it in armv7 and all Aug 05 17:38:25 why would u look in that feed Aug 05 17:38:29 there is no binary code Aug 05 17:39:57 oh? I thought it was available in the preware feeds? Aug 05 17:40:22 it is Aug 05 17:40:25 :( Aug 05 17:40:38 oh, so its there but broke.. Aug 05 17:40:39 :/ Aug 05 17:40:50 bbl Aug 05 17:40:58 its in the all testing feed Aug 05 17:40:58 but yes its broke Aug 05 17:47:16 im playing with RotateX in css3 Aug 05 17:47:23 but it rotates from the middle of the element Aug 05 17:47:30 is there a way for it to tilt from the bottom of the element Aug 05 18:10:28 interesting. I have a user who claims that using two tablets on the same profile works... Aug 05 18:14:29 haeffb: it does work... and you can buy apps once per profile and download on all tablets Aug 05 18:16:22 nomnomnom Aug 05 18:17:11 That seems like something HP should end. Aug 05 18:17:17 chuqui ^^^ Aug 05 18:17:32 hmmmmmmmmmmm Aug 05 18:17:39 why don't we all get on the same profile and share apps Aug 05 18:17:59 bbl Aug 05 18:18:02 Tibfib_: because you'll also share your other info, like contacts, email accounts, etc. doesn't scale. Aug 05 18:18:21 that's true Aug 05 18:18:27 is there a limit to the amount of tablets? Aug 05 18:18:32 I'd say 2, maybe 3 ? Aug 05 18:19:00 Tibfib_: not that I know of. it's a non-issue, really. IMHO. Aug 05 18:19:10 chuqui: yeah, fair enough Aug 05 18:19:27 I guess devs should just be able to specify if apps can be shared Aug 05 18:20:09 Tibfib_: doesn't work that way on other platforms. look at apple's app store. Aug 05 18:20:38 DOHHHH, I hate it when chuqui uses logic Aug 05 18:20:46 that's like cheating or something Aug 05 18:21:05 sorry. Aug 05 18:22:34 I don't think it's a huge issue... It's nice for me... I have 2 tablets, downloaded xplane once, and can multiplay with myself (because I have no friends) Aug 05 18:23:19 I've activated as many as 4 tablets on my 1 profile with no issues Aug 05 18:23:49 I think the long term plan for business deployment is to have a "master account" that all tablets log into from the company, and then have a "sub account" that the users log in to Aug 05 18:24:10 there are lots of nice use cases for multiple tablets in a shared family environment. It doesn't work as soon as you start hitting people with data that needs to be kept separate, like his and hers emails. Aug 05 18:24:10 but this is purely speculation and I am nothing more than a hardware reseller & programming enthusiast Aug 05 18:24:33 chuqui:exactly... I don't want my wife seeing the kinds of email I get Aug 05 18:24:39 P Aug 05 18:28:44 what are the use cases for sharing a profile on a tablet? Aug 05 18:30:13 or are you saying that allowing multiple devices on a profile is irrelevant since people won't do it? Aug 05 18:30:33 if that's the case, then why are phones treated differently? Aug 05 18:38:36 hooray for Time Inc Aug 05 18:39:55 too bad their magazines arent actually ... good :) Aug 05 18:40:56 hey, the legacy discount is $50 right? Aug 05 18:41:09 chuqui: ^? Aug 05 18:41:24 lol, yeah and now everyone else gets a $100 discount Aug 05 18:41:31 "make it right" indeed. Aug 05 18:41:37 i swear to god Aug 05 18:44:22 chuqui: can we PLEASE get a "view new messages" filter on email? Aug 05 18:44:28 er, unread Aug 05 18:45:06 For the record, Staples let me use the $100 coupon so the 32gb touchpad was $399 Aug 05 18:48:35 cxreg: not sure if that's on the roadmap Aug 05 18:48:56 well, i imagine it would not be hard since it's just a view function Aug 05 18:49:02 the info to do so is already there Aug 05 18:49:35 if there's a better place to submit it as a formal request, point me there Aug 05 18:50:34 oh, i had another idea, i may be able to do this with a patch Aug 05 18:50:55 in 3.0, when you highlight and the copy tab comes up, add a "just type" button Aug 05 18:51:00 would be *awesome* Aug 05 18:51:32 incidentally, i dont think you can paste into the just type bar, it loses focus Aug 05 18:51:49 Hey, it's chuqui! Aug 05 18:53:00 Hey i was wondering if anyone could help with this - I have an I frame that changes URLs depending on the radio button selected and i want to prevent the iframe from allowing users to go back (in enyo) Aug 05 18:55:42 kesne: hey, kesne! Aug 05 18:56:29 chuqui: Are there any plans to make hardware accelerated elements not interfere with the video kind? Aug 05 18:56:35 kesne, chuqui: hey Aug 05 19:28:26 wish webos' webkit didn't differ so much from desktop/ios Aug 05 19:32:22 matbee: did you manage to rotate from the bottom? Aug 05 19:40:41 WebOS' webkit is really good Aug 05 19:43:16 NuttyBunny! hey! Aug 05 19:45:44 hey Aug 05 19:46:07 kesne: webOS webkit hates me, it won't do rotation+opacity :P Aug 05 19:46:23 NuttyBunny: In what respect? Aug 05 19:47:23 kesne: create an element, modify its opacity, something between 0 and 1, then try to rotate it, it gets clipped at certain angles Aug 05 19:47:29 clipped bad Aug 05 19:47:42 NuttyBunny: Yeah, I've notices Aug 05 19:52:18 going to buy a TouchPad for my mom for her birthday! Aug 05 19:52:34 cool! Aug 05 19:53:01 she will never use a laptop again... I've seen how she ogles mine with its keyboard Aug 05 19:53:02 Nice present! That's a lucky Mom Aug 05 19:53:15 johnfromnix: Hey! Never seen you on here before! Aug 05 19:53:30 Assuming you're the same one from Twitter :-P Aug 05 19:53:35 Anyone noticed that the Staples coupon says it's not valid for TouchPad?? Aug 05 19:53:36 finally got around to joining, I'm on irc all the time, just not freenode Aug 05 19:53:43 ah cool! Aug 05 19:53:45 how you been? Aug 05 19:53:54 yes Same one.. except someone has my full nick registered on freenode Aug 05 19:54:14 been good.. just saw your name pop up and thought I'd join in Aug 05 19:54:50 I was just telling some folks at work about the touchpad today Aug 05 19:55:01 IGNTNUNLMTD: sweet, throw in a veer as well =) Aug 05 19:55:17 she already has a Pixi Plus, LoneStar99 Aug 05 19:55:18 they saw today's woot was a 16GB TouchPad for $380 Aug 05 19:55:28 noce Aug 05 19:55:30 nice Aug 05 19:55:35 yeah, I've scored this one at Staples for $299 Aug 05 19:55:44 with the stacking instant rebates Aug 05 19:55:53 awesome Aug 05 19:55:55 wow, that's awesome Aug 05 19:56:16 still landlocked with a loaner, can get it sent to mexico =( Aug 05 19:56:54 cant Aug 05 19:57:07 on the one hand, I wish I waited to get a deal like this myself Aug 05 19:57:22 but on the other, having a launch day device is fun too! Aug 05 19:57:23 shipping + will have to pay customs for something that is not mine... Aug 05 19:57:28 IGNTNUNLMTD: the $299 is for 16GB? Aug 05 19:57:32 yeah Aug 05 19:57:42 and its $399 for 32? Aug 05 19:57:45 sweet deal Aug 05 19:57:55 LoneStar... maybe we could figure something out Aug 05 19:58:11 meh.. I still get a better deal thru palm. :) Aug 05 19:58:28 I did a little job for a guy in Indonesia and got him a Pre 2 with no customs charge Aug 05 19:58:33 made it look like it was a repair Aug 05 19:58:35 PatrickC: did u already get your loaner? Aug 05 19:58:51 LoneStar: waiting for parents to let me :/ Aug 05 19:59:30 boo, but i am in a boo situation also boo Aug 05 19:59:39 lol Aug 05 19:59:44 I need one.. bad.. Aug 05 19:59:53 can't get this app to work w/o one.. Aug 05 20:00:09 been slacking off with coding but monday is new day Aug 05 20:00:26 * PatrickC has been learning coding Aug 05 20:00:39 * halfhalo-work has enough touchpads on his desk to juggle them Aug 05 20:00:55 * PatrickC steals one Aug 05 20:00:55 my office has a few too Aug 05 20:00:56 halfhalo-work: very nice Aug 05 20:01:01 for HTML5 dev Aug 05 20:01:18 i have 16,000 touchpads Aug 05 20:01:21 I've got a warehouse of 14 that I use for customer demos Aug 05 20:01:41 well fxspec06, aren't you just the little distributor? Aug 05 20:01:43 WautierEnt: I'll give you $100 for 1! Aug 05 20:01:50 you all must try out a new search engine --> http://duckduckgo.com Aug 05 20:01:50 haha fxspec06 Aug 05 20:01:51 And yet almost no one offers their help to test apps... :P Aug 05 20:01:57 fxspec06 isn't anything :P Aug 05 20:01:58 * PatrickC ducks Aug 05 20:02:15 alright comrades, TGIF Aug 05 20:02:18 leaving the office Aug 05 20:02:20 adios. Aug 05 20:02:20 HP has about 499,943 if you want to get technical Aug 05 20:02:22 * fxspec06 throws 300 touchpads at PatrickC, and they all shatter into a million pieces Aug 05 20:02:35 LoneStar: AWESOME!! Aug 05 20:02:49 heh. 2 out of the three are generally being doctored Aug 05 20:02:55 fxspec06: you heathen! Aug 05 20:02:59 PatrickC: If they weren't all out on contract, I'd consider your offer Aug 05 20:03:11 srsly? Aug 05 20:03:11 16 or 32 gb? Aug 05 20:03:27 32 Aug 05 20:03:31 wow! Aug 05 20:03:40 how much do you want for it WautierEnt Aug 05 20:03:40 those are shiny Aug 05 20:03:54 what i don't even know what's going on Aug 05 20:04:10 fxspec06: I told him id give him $100 Aug 05 20:04:20 he said that he would consider it :) Aug 05 20:04:22 what's he want for it Aug 05 20:04:49 WautierEnt i'll give you $100 && goodies Aug 05 20:04:50 PatrickC:  If they weren't all out on contract, I'd consider your offer Aug 05 20:05:25 LoneStar99! Aug 05 20:06:05 There's no money in selling the hardware right now. THe staples deal would put my company out of business in a day... but I'm not upset because I'm just happy to have them getting into the hands of consumers Aug 05 20:06:26 once people play with it and see how great webOS is, I'll start being able to make some serious sales at full price Aug 05 20:10:36 Stacking instant rebates at Staples? Huh? Aug 05 20:10:50 Greatness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V13dXZPzyx0 Aug 05 20:10:57 angry birds easter egg ftw. Aug 05 20:13:24 guys: visit http://DuckDuckGo.com !! Aug 05 20:15:23 no Aug 05 20:15:54 that easter egg has been known for like ever and ever Aug 05 20:17:12 TOUCH2SHARE IS OFFICIAL AVAILABLE TO DEVS! Aug 05 20:17:15 :) Aug 05 20:19:00 waitwut Aug 05 20:19:04 dawm: I know. Aug 05 20:19:05 yeah Aug 05 20:19:22 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/touch2share.html Aug 05 20:20:01 PatrickC: Winning Aug 05 20:20:03 PatrickC, so technically you can share apps since its URL based Aug 05 20:20:12 via sharing the app catalog url for the app Aug 05 20:20:16 NuttyBunny: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/touch2share.html share pics :) Aug 05 20:20:21 dawm: yeah Aug 05 20:20:39 PatrickC: argh... time is eating me! Aug 05 20:20:42 should have my donor pre on the 8th Aug 05 20:20:47 lol Aug 05 20:20:49 I NEED A TOUCHPAD! Aug 05 20:20:51 sprint pre2 that night :P Aug 05 20:20:57 dawm: gl Aug 05 20:20:58 Palm! Make it happen!! Aug 05 20:20:59 ;) Aug 05 20:21:10 NuttyBunny: GO TO STAPLES! Aug 05 20:21:11 :) Aug 05 20:21:32 GET TO TEH CHOPPAH Aug 05 20:21:36 PatrickC: I'll spend more than $300 just to go to the nearest staples :P Aug 05 20:21:47 sounds like I'm going to be making a trip to the US Aug 05 20:22:05 NuttyBunny: why? how far is it? Aug 05 20:22:08 Problem: That $100 off instant coupon is "only valid if sent from Staples". the link is from some deals site Aug 05 20:22:11 order it online ;) Aug 05 20:22:30 Anyone have a real staples.com or whatever coupon for this? http://www.fatwallet.com/static/attachments/105620__100_staples_98980.jpg Aug 05 20:22:59 Shadyman: a friend of mine is going to try with that one tomorrow Aug 05 20:25:31 NuttyBunny: depends how technical they want to be, since it does say in the fine print "Coupon not valid unless sent directly from staples", and when you print it, it'd show fatwallet.com/... as the URL Aug 05 20:25:35 Unless... Aug 05 20:25:39 Shadyman: I printed and used a coupon just like that at Staples Aug 05 20:26:07 Shadyman: that's what scissors are for ;) Aug 05 20:26:09 Shadyman: you cut it Aug 05 20:26:15 Tineye reverse image search, GO! Aug 05 20:27:03 Boo. 0 results. Scissors it is. Aug 05 20:30:34 hey sugardave, you around? Aug 05 20:30:37 alright, dudes chat later, need to pack Aug 05 20:31:00 anyone know how the developer discount works with these crazy discounts this weekend? Aug 05 20:31:11 nope Aug 05 20:31:16 I don't believe it does Aug 05 20:31:22 Adora? Aug 05 20:31:26 PatrickC: that's what i think as well, but i' Aug 05 20:31:31 m trying to get confirmation Aug 05 20:31:42 I'd love a $200+25% discount :D Aug 05 20:31:50 as would i :) Aug 05 20:32:06 I believe chuq said that you couldn't put the dev discount with the legacy discount Aug 05 20:32:11 and i'd love it if i got a discount for being an original webos user (pre owner) Aug 05 20:32:14 so id think the same thing applies here Aug 05 20:32:14 of course, if I would EVER get response from the dev rel team :P Aug 05 20:32:43 damn. Like I'm going all the way to watertown Aug 05 20:33:11 2h22m drive. Hm. Aug 05 20:33:26 begone traitor! Aug 05 20:33:34 Ok seriously? My usb door just broke off Aug 05 20:33:44 $30 in gas, then taxed again at the border Aug 05 20:34:10 dawm-ipod: what NuttyBunny said Aug 05 20:34:18 Looks like its a sign from the gods that i frankenpre the pre2 Aug 05 20:34:38 Shut it, im in the living room and dont want to use the laptop Aug 05 20:34:48 lol Aug 05 20:34:50 bbl Aug 05 20:35:09 bbl as well.. gotta move Aug 05 20:35:23 let's hope this $299 TP deal goes fine :D Aug 05 20:35:32 Lol Aug 05 20:37:02 does anyone know if the touchpad have a bluetooth dun client? Aug 05 20:37:20 But yeah the part of the phone that keeps the usb door attached broke... The door is intact tho Aug 05 20:39:52 2 years of use and this is what i get :/ Aug 05 20:40:41 Yeah. To drive to the nearest US Staples, buy a 32GB touchpad, bring it back, and pay duties, it'd be up to ~$520 canadian Aug 05 20:40:55 pay duties...? Aug 05 20:40:58 Tax. Aug 05 20:41:07 "no, officer, I didn't buy anything" Aug 05 20:41:18 uh huh Aug 05 20:41:29 until they decide you're faking it and search your car? Aug 05 20:41:40 risk vs reward Aug 05 20:41:47 With boxcutters. Aug 05 20:42:09 * haeffb thinks Shadyman is not very shady after all Aug 05 20:42:14 or I could just pay $549 like everyone else? Aug 05 20:42:28 or wait to see if I can get it for $495 on employee discount? Aug 05 20:42:49 or wait another month when it'll be $429 Aug 05 20:44:06 yeah Aug 05 20:47:31 Wow, 16gb are out of stock Everywhere. Aug 05 20:47:42 Overstatement of the year, but whatever Aug 05 20:53:45 Shadyman: yeah, everywhere Aug 05 20:54:51 Here, have some ones from Canada, eh? Aug 05 20:55:38 I harw canadians Aug 05 20:55:45 Hate Aug 05 20:56:16 Stay on your side of the river Aug 05 21:04:37 dawm-ipod! Aug 05 21:05:16 dawm-ipod: You first :) Aug 05 21:06:36 I never go there, no passport Aug 05 21:07:00 Well i have one somewhere from when i was 11 Aug 05 21:10:08 Haha Aug 05 21:10:14 I love you people Aug 05 21:11:25 shut your face, wannabe youtube cover artist Aug 05 21:11:31 :p Aug 05 21:11:37 LOL Aug 05 21:11:49 dawm-ipod: My american passport. Let me show you it. Aug 05 21:13:42 Hahaha Aug 05 21:13:48 Hey man, I'm a programmer at heart. Aug 05 21:13:59 I used a node.js service in my camera app! Aug 05 21:46:52 Shadyman: 16gb still in stock at woot Aug 05 21:47:03 yeah Aug 05 21:47:20 PatrickC, Tide is in preware and working now! Aug 05 21:47:37 not sure if I should get the 16 or wait for a 32 Aug 05 21:47:39 PuffTheMagic: just saw the tweet!!! Aug 05 21:47:56 That and Woot doesn't ship to Canuckia. Aug 05 21:48:04 ugh.. got to change it again :P Aug 05 21:54:15 Adora, chuqui Tide is available in the WOSI testing feed if you want to play with it Aug 05 21:54:42 PuffTheMagic: does it work well in a webkit browser? Aug 05 21:54:55 PuffTheMagic: danke,sir Aug 05 21:54:56 I have it on the phone, but it doesn't work. will debug later Aug 05 21:55:37 PatrickC, i've only used it on the device Aug 05 21:55:50 ok Aug 05 21:56:04 I'll debug it and see why its not working on the phone tonight later Aug 05 21:56:21 is it not the framework 0.10/1.0 issue? Aug 05 21:56:50 fixed that Aug 05 21:56:53 made a 1.0dir Aug 05 21:57:20 it wont let me type Aug 05 22:00:08 PatrickC, get a touchpad Aug 05 22:00:53 I am :) Aug 05 22:01:03 just waiting on my parents to "ok" the order Aug 05 22:03:48 PatrickC: How old are you? Aug 05 22:04:18 you age Aug 05 22:04:53 kesne: I think you are older than PatrickC Aug 05 22:05:05 Patrick is 15 I think Aug 05 22:05:16 That's how old I was when I started Aug 05 22:05:36 I am, after all Aug 05 22:05:39 hmmm, how old are you know? Aug 05 22:05:41 The Original Kid Developer™ Aug 05 22:05:48 I'm 17 Aug 05 22:05:50 I honestly can't remember how old I was when I started Aug 05 22:05:51 haha Aug 05 22:05:54 * PuffTheMagic pukes in his mouth Aug 05 22:06:00 so I think I was 15 too when I started Aug 05 22:06:23 I'm closer to 18 than 17 though Aug 05 22:06:40 hmm, I might be younger than you Aug 05 22:06:56 I was born Feb 5 94 Aug 05 22:07:07 yeah you got me by two months Aug 05 22:07:08 what sort of competition is this? Aug 05 22:07:16 Side note: How the hell do 73 transactions fail. Aug 05 22:07:25 PuffTheMagic: The kind you lose in. Aug 05 22:07:26 PuffTheMagic: figure of speech Aug 05 22:08:21 hey! I'm officially a green belt Aug 05 22:08:30 Pretty sad. Aug 05 22:09:21 I'm a brown belt! :D Aug 05 22:09:46 ughh, I get sooooo annoyed whenever I think of teh belts Aug 05 22:09:53 soo let'st stop Aug 05 22:10:00 Hehe Aug 05 22:10:01 s/let'st/let's/ Aug 05 22:10:21 kesne, here just to brag? Aug 05 22:10:25 * PatrickC is a brown belt :) Aug 05 22:10:26 * Shadyman eyes the young'ens Aug 05 22:10:31 PuffTheMagic: Haha, no Aug 05 22:10:31 why else would he be here? Aug 05 22:10:37 Haha Aug 05 22:10:41 To get help and to help! Aug 05 22:10:49 lol Aug 05 22:10:50 Mostly the former Aug 05 22:11:01 In fact, almost exclusively. Aug 05 22:11:09 PatrickC: ............. point proven Aug 05 22:12:15 kesne: did you figure out hte accelerometer question? Aug 05 22:12:40 Yeah, I ended up writing my own script to read the raw data and check it against a sort of threshold script Aug 05 22:12:55 nice Aug 05 22:13:37 Tibfib: huh? Aug 05 22:13:45 If the video kind wasn't so damn buggy, I wouldn't have to do that Aug 05 22:14:05 kesne: oh? Aug 05 22:14:17 It really sucks Aug 05 22:14:41 Accelerated elements (see: anything that moves) interferes with it. Aug 05 22:14:59 nice Aug 05 22:15:11 PuffTheMagic: tide looks different.. did you change the UI? Aug 05 22:15:22 no Aug 05 22:15:28 did u change your theme? Aug 05 22:15:50 no Aug 05 22:15:55 I can't see that setting Aug 05 22:16:06 I like how it says TIDE though in chars :) Aug 05 22:16:44 press the gear in the top left Aug 05 22:16:52 then change theme Aug 05 22:16:54 found it Aug 05 22:17:02 this on your phone? Aug 05 22:17:06 or in browser? Aug 05 22:17:08 yep Aug 05 22:17:10 phone Aug 05 22:17:22 still cant type? Aug 05 22:17:23 browser test next Aug 05 22:17:30 I'll look at the logs Aug 05 22:18:22 weird.. no log error. Aug 05 22:18:33 only thing the log says is " Aug 05 22:18:35 [2011-08-05 22:16:19] (TouchPad IDE) Tellurium : Subscribe Service..., file:///usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js:12005 Aug 05 22:18:36 " Aug 05 22:30:09 Tellurium service... just wtf is that? ;) Aug 05 22:30:41 haha Aug 05 22:33:52 anyone from HPalm have info on the developer discount on top of the current rebate going on? Aug 05 22:34:40 chuqui ^ Aug 05 22:35:08 PatrickC: who awakens me, foolish mortal? Aug 05 22:35:37 it was HattCzech_work, I swear! Aug 05 22:35:43 yeah, right. Aug 05 22:35:48 hehehe Aug 05 22:36:00 five lashes with the rancid salmon of contrition. Across the face. Aug 05 22:36:35 no!! not the face! Aug 05 22:38:22 huh.. Tide works on desktop but hates my phone Aug 05 22:38:35 ........ Aug 05 22:38:38 chuqui: I'll take Enyo 2.0 now. the one optimized for phones Aug 05 22:38:39 thanks Aug 05 22:38:48 Tibfib: I'm trying to debug it Aug 05 22:38:56 but there is no log Aug 05 22:40:03 no logs :( Aug 05 22:40:17 yep :( Aug 05 22:40:29 so its broke till chuqui sends me Enyo 2.0 Aug 05 22:40:39 so it's chuqui's fault Aug 05 22:40:43 all my fault. Aug 05 22:40:44 yep Aug 05 22:41:13 he needs to crack the whip on those enyo monkies to fix it for phones Aug 05 22:43:17 how about fixing iframe :( Aug 05 22:46:00 Psh, who uses iframe? Aug 05 22:46:21 i'd like to Aug 05 22:47:38 wtf is an iframe Aug 05 22:47:41 :D Aug 05 23:09:46 PuffTheMagic: It's where you hang your iPhotos Aug 05 23:09:47 amirite? Aug 05 23:11:55 DraX: I have to combat that problem you are seeing with the launching of an external card when using a remote iframe source Aug 05 23:12:04 I have an idea and I'll let you know if it works out Aug 05 23:12:38 sugardave: cool! I tried various things, what are you trying? Aug 05 23:13:01 tried iframe.document,location, tried iframe.src, tried enyo.Iframe Aug 05 23:13:17 inception frame (I guess is appropriate, I've never seen the movie) Aug 05 23:13:24 heh Aug 05 23:13:27 interestnig idea Aug 05 23:13:30 so you load a local html in the iframe, that has an iframe to the remote Aug 05 23:13:34 yes Aug 05 23:13:37 gotta run Aug 05 23:13:44 I just haven't sat down to muck with it yet Aug 05 23:13:51 OK!!! My PHONE lets me the Lollapalooza webcast on youtube.... Beat That iOS fanboys!!! :D Aug 05 23:14:00 (watch) Aug 05 23:17:09 * cwayne just got his touchpad for $200 off :) Aug 05 23:17:54 NuttyBunny_Pre2 is a brown belt Aug 05 23:18:09 he gets that price (probably) Aug 05 23:18:57 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 puts his belt on. My pants no longer fall down ;) Aug 05 23:19:18 chuqui ^ :) Aug 05 23:19:36 cwayne: where? Aug 05 23:19:46 i should ask: 16gb or 32gb? Aug 05 23:19:55 HattCzech_work: 32gb, staples Aug 05 23:19:59 okay Aug 05 23:20:12 my store "doesn't offer" them... but they did this morning Aug 05 23:20:13 that's a nice price :D Aug 05 23:20:29 i think my staples store is full of liars Aug 05 23:20:52 or morons or both Aug 05 23:21:01 true... Aug 05 23:21:17 it's your staples too, sugardave... we should go tell them how much they suck Aug 05 23:21:20 HattCzech_work: i had to go to a few, and really wanted a 16 :/ Aug 05 23:21:44 i checked availability for the 16gb in like 5 different cities with a 100mi radius... none had them Aug 05 23:22:38 HattCzech_work: yeah, i guess they only sell 32 in store Aug 05 23:22:49 interesting Aug 05 23:29:51 HattCzech_work: yeah, I can't even remember the last time I went to a Staples Aug 05 23:30:08 office depot seems to be our emergency "we need ink" place Aug 05 23:30:18 i went there to get a chair Aug 05 23:30:37 did they say they didn't have any chairs Aug 05 23:30:38 ? Aug 05 23:30:42 staples has good coupons, and i'm a cheap ass :) Aug 05 23:30:53 no, that was the last time i went to staples Aug 05 23:31:02 when my chair at home broke and i needed a new one Aug 05 23:31:07 sugardave: you get ink from a 3rd party when you make the ink? :) Aug 05 23:32:21 yeah, I'm still trying to find the free ink pickup, but they keep looking at me funny when I ask where it is Aug 05 23:32:41 lol Aug 05 23:33:04 Battery died. What did I miss? Aug 05 23:33:27 I can just see Ruby and chuqui walking into Office Depot buying HP ink haha Aug 05 23:34:28 NuttyBunny_Pre2: you missed it. Adora said she was giving everyone a free 64GB 4G touchpad with a free 2yr conteact Aug 05 23:35:06 ah, doesn't work for me, I don't have AT&T Aug 05 23:35:21 she said any carrier Aug 05 23:35:26 wake me up when the TP comes to Mexico and I can get one for free on Telcel Aug 05 23:35:29 she's providing Unlocked ones Aug 05 23:35:43 Adora is so nice :) Aug 05 23:39:05 look at the Facebook app's screenshots Aug 05 23:39:14 someone have a Preware'd phone :D Aug 05 23:40:50 http://www.zumodrive.com/share/dVTQYTA1ZG Aug 05 23:40:51 PatrickC: how so? Aug 05 23:41:01 see the "3G" icon Aug 05 23:41:04 isn't that a patch? Aug 05 23:41:25 not if you have a 3G phone :) Aug 05 23:41:32 like on AT&T Aug 05 23:41:36 my sprint pre doesn't say 3G :) Aug 05 23:41:47 Sprint/Verizon are EVDO Aug 05 23:41:53 so we get Ev icons Aug 05 23:41:59 ah. thought they were one in the same Aug 05 23:42:17 speeds are about the same, technologies are different Aug 05 23:42:23 they're both "3G" Aug 05 23:42:33 my phone says H+ :D Aug 05 23:42:38 but 3G is GSM only Aug 05 23:42:39 lol Aug 05 23:42:42 oh snap! :) Aug 05 23:42:49 sugardave: pre3 or veer? Aug 05 23:43:03 If I had a Veer I'd be afraid I'd eat it Aug 05 23:43:12 hahaha Aug 05 23:43:17 they are soooooo small Aug 05 23:44:47 http://images.4chan.org/r/src/1312582062720.jpg Aug 05 23:45:10 KITTY! Aug 05 23:45:27 I have a 3G phone Aug 05 23:45:30 I've never seen that 3G Aug 05 23:46:29 a 3G gsm phone even Aug 05 23:47:53 dwc-: that story makes me sad Aug 05 23:48:39 http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/km/pics/kirk/boobies.jpg Aug 05 23:48:49 just for you, Puffy_tp. Aug 05 23:48:52 Blue footed, even. Aug 05 23:52:57 finally! a group email app that works in 2.x! Aug 05 23:55:41 sugardave: get HP to make something with TMO freqs :) Aug 05 23:57:22 gosh I want a touchpad Aug 05 23:58:07 I do too Aug 06 00:06:45 * cwayne just got his finally Aug 06 00:48:22 New Spaz HD TEST BUILD v0.3.4: http://twitter.com/#!/spaz/status/99500590987608064 Aug 06 00:54:28 big update Aug 06 01:07:34 * PatrickC wanders in Aug 06 01:15:59 morning Aug 06 01:16:22 hey rwhitby! Aug 06 01:22:28 ugh.. I hate using my pre- Aug 06 01:24:06 why? Aug 06 01:24:16 so slow Aug 06 01:24:31 its over 2 years old. needs a replacement almost every month Aug 06 01:24:57 been in Luna boot since before I said I hate using it Aug 06 01:26:16 yea its been a while since i had a pre Aug 06 01:26:22 i just grabbed a touchpad because of the deal Aug 06 01:26:33 shame they didnt have 16gb :( Aug 06 01:33:46 * PatrickC <3's Box.net Aug 06 01:36:31 * NuttyBunny hates using The Pixi ;) Aug 06 01:36:40 lol Aug 06 01:36:49 so much hate :p Aug 06 01:37:17 * NuttyBunny loves using his Pre 2 and Pre Plus :D Aug 06 01:37:44 ok lol Aug 06 01:37:57 The memory, that was the point, HP shouldn't had released devices with less than 512Mb of memory ;) Aug 06 01:38:20 true Aug 06 01:38:24 yep Aug 06 01:38:27 http://twitpic.com/61iuvf Aug 06 01:38:28 NuttyBunny: get the email? Aug 06 01:38:36 The Pixi playing tricks on me Aug 06 01:38:49 haha Aug 06 01:38:56 i loved wedbos when it came out, tried pre , pre plus a few times but left it. giving it another whirl with the price point today Aug 06 01:39:41 * PatrickC should have waited a second before he sent that email Aug 06 01:42:46 fat app.. hehehe Aug 06 01:43:41 no touchpad sized irc heh Aug 06 01:47:47 audiofx: huh? Aug 06 01:47:56 NuttyBunny: yep :) check the folder. its in there Aug 06 01:53:30 I see no fat app Aug 06 01:53:35 is that the one? Aug 06 01:56:11 its the only app in there Aug 06 01:56:25 it should have no -enyo or -mojo tag at the end of the appid Aug 06 01:59:00 NuttyBunny: you see it? Aug 06 01:59:14 anyone can get in on the beta. just let me know if you want to Aug 06 02:03:10 Adora: hey! Aug 06 02:08:46 hey Tibfib Aug 06 02:08:53 NuttyBunny: get it? Aug 06 02:09:47 PatrickC: Can you supply YourRadio with custom radio streams? Aug 06 02:10:49 yes Aug 06 02:11:05 I'll PM you the feature/readme Aug 06 02:11:16 thanks Aug 06 02:11:21 np Aug 06 02:11:30 in that case, I'm very interested, as tomorrow will be an epic field test for it Aug 06 02:12:21 well, that feature I don't have working 100% yet in the mojo version Aug 06 02:12:29 should be working fine in Enyo Aug 06 02:16:25 IGNTNUNLMTD: still interested? Aug 06 02:16:35 definitely Aug 06 02:16:41 let me at it! :) Aug 06 02:16:47 ok :) Aug 06 02:16:53 I'm going to try it with Radio Le Mans tomorrow Aug 06 02:16:58 there's a big race Aug 06 02:17:06 I'll give you the folder for the fat-app in PM Aug 06 02:17:06 and I'll be on the road all day Aug 06 02:17:10 perfect Aug 06 02:17:39 PM'd Aug 06 02:17:57 lemme know if you have any questions, and if it doesn't launch on your tp Aug 06 02:21:47 has anyone else had trouble installing the SDK on Lion? Aug 06 02:23:55 summatusmentis: this is why I did not upgrade Aug 06 02:24:24 for whatever reason, it fails, but does not say why Aug 06 02:25:17 thats iOS - you dont bother the user with the details. Aug 06 02:25:36 it's not the OS deciding, it's the installer Aug 06 02:26:07 my point was its Apple and Lion - doing all kinds of crazy shit under the hood and hiding it. Aug 06 02:26:32 well, that's certainly a possibility Aug 06 02:27:21 close an app - is the process living? is it killed? who knows! Aug 06 02:27:53 dont close the app - is the process living? is it killed? who knows! Aug 06 02:28:03 voodoo i tell you Aug 06 02:31:47 I need a racing game for Ubuntu Aug 06 02:32:33 "rm -rf .*" then race to rebuild your filesystem Aug 06 02:33:03 http://instantrimshot.com/ Aug 06 02:34:12 haha Aug 06 02:35:42 Tux Racer - the classic example of "but linux has games too!" Aug 06 02:35:49 "name has invited you to share files" Aug 06 02:36:03 NuttyBunny: guess who.. Aug 06 02:36:05 lol Aug 06 02:36:08 rwatkins: Car racing game. Downloading TORCS :) Aug 06 02:36:15 I can't change that for some reason.. :/ Aug 06 02:36:18 woody woodpecker? Aug 06 02:36:46 lol Aug 06 02:40:23 rwatkins: but that one only deletes my current folder, I prefer rm -rf / or the classic :(){ :|:& };: Aug 06 02:41:12 NuttyBunny: hah, does that delete everything? Aug 06 02:41:24 (the second one) Aug 06 02:41:45 Tibfib: No, it doesn't delete anything, it just crashes most linuxes ;) fork bomb Aug 06 02:42:25 ergggh, I hate apps that have startup windows you can't close Aug 06 02:42:32 NuttyBunny: that's awesome Aug 06 02:42:51 or can't move Aug 06 02:43:54 NuttyBunny: are you sure? ".*" also matches ".." Aug 06 02:44:18 rwatkins: Ah, I missed the dot :) Aug 06 02:44:23 which is the beauty of the thing Aug 06 02:44:36 try it and see. ;) Aug 06 02:44:38 yup, nice! Aug 06 02:45:24 no thanks, I've already spent an afternoon and a night rebuilding a reiserfs filesystem, I tend to be more careful nowadays Aug 06 02:50:49 104 of 174mb.. *sigh*... I'll continue fixing nuttycam/photofun Aug 06 02:51:06 what's that big?! Aug 06 02:51:09 kesne: slick, touchpad-like interface :D Aug 06 02:51:22 PatrickC: a webOS Doctor is bigger :P Aug 06 02:51:32 haha Aug 06 02:51:41 I'm talking about what is that file(s)? Aug 06 02:52:24 NuttyBunny: Where? Aug 06 02:52:33 TORCS Aug 06 02:52:43 kesne: your tweet :P Aug 06 02:53:09 NuttyBunny: Oh! Haha, well of course it's touchpad-like Aug 06 02:53:36 3.36 of 4.29 GB - 52 minutes remaining. xcode/ios SDK. :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 06 02:59:57 2011