**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 02:59:58 2011 Aug 08 03:01:37 rofl Aug 08 03:01:54 I was tiny back then Aug 08 03:02:03 idiot al gore Aug 08 03:02:25 uberkernel won't wipe phone? Aug 08 03:02:32 need confirmation Aug 08 03:02:47 or log me out of palm profile? Aug 08 03:03:06 It never has for me Aug 08 03:03:26 I've never heard of it doing that either Aug 08 03:03:41 good Aug 08 03:03:49 will be installing now Aug 08 03:04:22 wtf are with my download speeds? Aug 08 03:04:32 they'r terrible... Aug 08 03:04:35 on wifi Aug 08 03:05:38 28kb a second... Aug 08 03:05:47 on 3mbit internet Aug 08 03:05:54 only on pixi... Aug 08 03:06:44 ... Aug 08 03:11:00 unicode.. :/ Aug 08 03:12:11 just installed uberkenel Aug 08 03:12:22 good speed by looks of it Aug 08 03:13:29 how much is unlocked pre at the moment? Aug 08 03:13:43 where's kesne: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17117 Aug 08 03:13:53 "2) We now have the window.PalmSystem.videoOrientation constant that tells your the correct orientation to use to display video in full screen. We'll likely be wrapping this in enyo in the future, but that change didn't make the 3.0.2 update." Aug 08 03:14:55 anyone know best music app altenative? Aug 08 03:15:02 palm one sucks Aug 08 03:16:44 siestacat: koto payer Aug 08 03:16:46 installed uberkernel but pixi+ still running at stock speeds? Aug 08 03:16:48 2.x only Aug 08 03:17:06 ah, I'm on 1.4.5.1 Aug 08 03:17:12 ah toooooo bad Aug 08 03:17:24 that's the best app EVERRRR and I'm not saying that because I made it or anything Aug 08 03:17:33 or maybe I am. Aug 08 03:18:04 lol Aug 08 03:18:32 is 40c hot for cpu? Aug 08 03:19:04 kinda Aug 08 03:19:26 that's my regular... Aug 08 03:19:34 even on palm default Aug 08 03:19:53 39 now Aug 08 03:19:58 at 806mhz Aug 08 03:20:04 :) Aug 08 03:20:39 so should I be concerned? Aug 08 03:20:48 it's very responsive Aug 08 03:22:01 and any fixes for pixi+ gps? Aug 08 03:22:12 it's sooooo slow to establish position Aug 08 03:23:46 no Aug 08 03:23:52 best app ever is Wild'n Video Poker Aug 08 03:24:02 gps fix? Aug 08 03:24:04 pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't listen to tib, he's a geek Aug 08 03:25:33 hmm Aug 08 03:25:46 anything else to improve pixi+ Aug 08 03:27:36 ? Aug 08 03:30:10 ? Aug 08 03:32:19 and does the aGPS patch ise any data? Aug 08 03:32:32 or does vz navigator? Aug 08 03:42:28 * rwhitby thinks siestacat should invest in a good backup strategy and then stop worrying so much Aug 08 04:17:28 new project is coming along nicely Aug 08 04:17:35 any beta testers in the house? Aug 08 04:24:41 new app done as far as can be. need a little help with the CSS though, anyone? Aug 08 04:33:56 anyone want to test a virtual keyboard (only partial atm) that *doesn't crash your phone*? Aug 08 04:35:00 http://ompldr.org/vOXQwYQ // Loudergood summatusmentis twbbas_ Aug 08 04:35:10 I feel that we have lost alog of good coders since 2009 Aug 08 04:35:28 you are still here :) Aug 08 04:35:39 * PatrickC needs to get the CSS fixed for 10 chars Aug 08 04:35:49 I am always somewhere Aug 08 04:35:59 Maybe here, or there, or over there Aug 08 04:36:01 * CTLAdvance poiunts Aug 08 04:36:04 lol Aug 08 04:36:11 CTLAdvance: you like the vkb? Aug 08 04:36:32 looks pretty slick Aug 08 04:36:39 now if only we had a 4" slab to use it on Aug 08 04:36:44 works perfect Aug 08 04:37:04 it just doesn't have the "shift, backspace, enter, or "P"" keys Aug 08 04:37:13 working on those, then ready for release Aug 08 04:37:32 nice Aug 08 04:37:38 yep Aug 08 04:37:56 I need a CSS guru who can help though, as I stink at CSS haha Aug 08 04:38:52 and it doesn't work in landscape yet, working on that too Aug 08 04:39:45 whats the issue Aug 08 04:40:48 I don't know how to fit 10 keys on the kb, I can only get 10 (using someone else's code, with permission) Aug 08 04:41:04 I tried modifying the CSS, but to no avail Aug 08 04:41:29 well what is the keyboard Aug 08 04:41:32 a table? Aug 08 04:41:37 yeah Aug 08 04:41:40 ah Aug 08 04:41:43 I have put 10 keys on it Aug 08 04:41:46 cant you add another column Aug 08 04:41:49 but it goes off the screen Aug 08 04:41:58 like, make it taller? probably Aug 08 04:41:59 so make everything smaller Aug 08 04:42:14 tried that, looked horrid.. Aug 08 04:42:14 yeah or taller add an extra row Aug 08 04:43:12 what did Aug 08 04:43:16 adding an extra row? Aug 08 04:43:19 or making it smaller Aug 08 04:43:44 /trying/ to make it smaller Aug 08 04:43:49 other thing you can do is merger buttons Aug 08 04:43:52 NappyBunny: http://ompldr.org/vOXQwYQ Aug 08 04:43:53 . and m , and " Aug 08 04:44:28 that doesn't help me get the 10th key (P) on the top row.. Aug 08 04:44:40 I want it to look and feel like a regular QWERTY KB Aug 08 04:45:51 oh Aug 08 04:46:05 yeah you will need to shrink everything and add 1 column Aug 08 04:46:09 hey Jake_M Aug 08 04:46:16 hellloo Aug 08 04:46:17 I suggest also making the table width 100% Aug 08 04:46:30 and then building each column to be 10% Aug 08 04:47:33 I'll try that Aug 08 04:48:03 you may need to adjust to accomodate the borders Aug 08 04:48:54 each key looks like they're 32PX wide Aug 08 04:49:00 and 32PX tall Aug 08 04:50:06 So I suggest using % so it scales to different screens Aug 08 04:50:15 but thats up to you if you cant get it working Aug 08 04:50:15 true Aug 08 04:50:24 I need to figure out what % to use.. Aug 08 04:50:45 if you're going to use exact pixels Aug 08 04:51:11 you need to set it to position relative Aug 08 04:51:20 i think Aug 08 04:51:31 lemme paste the CSS sheet Aug 08 04:51:55 use pastebin.. Aug 08 04:52:09 well pixels are fine when defining table height and width Aug 08 04:53:56 I changed all the keys to 30px, seems to look better. here's the css file http://pastebin.com/hdSV1fuF Aug 08 05:00:22 * CTLAdvance disappears into the night, silently backing away from the system... silently creeping down the hall... Aug 08 05:00:33 * CTLAdvance silently Aug 08 05:00:43 lol cya Aug 08 05:00:47 * CTLAdvance FUCK my TOE! Aug 08 05:00:56 * CTLAdvance fail Aug 08 05:01:04 what Aug 08 05:01:39 its getting late here and I am getting unproductive, time to leave Aug 08 05:01:39 o_O Aug 08 05:02:02 I did stub my toe though, damn bookshel Aug 08 05:02:03 f Aug 08 05:02:09 use your Pre's flashlight Aug 08 05:02:28 what pre flashlight Aug 08 05:02:31 dkirker: I have a working vkb that doesn't crash the pre!! Aug 08 05:02:31 you mean a torch? Aug 08 05:02:35 yeah Aug 08 05:02:52 well i use sconix's advanced device menu and it has LED Torch or whatever Aug 08 05:02:55 like built in Aug 08 05:02:58 but yeah there's apps for it too Aug 08 05:03:32 suddenly i feel like finishing my enyo app Aug 08 05:03:40 I am not sure what failed worse, my joke, or the fact that you didnt get it Aug 08 05:03:42 oh well Aug 08 05:03:46 :| Aug 08 05:03:55 :) Aug 08 05:03:57 lol Aug 08 05:05:01 how different are the API calls building for enyo vs mojo Aug 08 05:05:09 and I mean like calling the accelerometer Aug 08 05:05:27 idk last time I checked the docs like..weren't that good Aug 08 05:05:38 but that was before the touchpad was even out so there might be new stuff Aug 08 05:09:13 I am still wondering how much of phonegap for webOS I will be able to use Aug 08 05:09:15 oh well Aug 08 05:09:17 later Aug 08 05:09:28 fare thee well denizen Aug 08 05:09:43 cya Aug 08 05:09:52 the vkb is done aesthetically :) Aug 08 05:10:17 the only thing i didn't like about the virtual keyboard in 1.4.5 is that it wasn't in the dashboard Aug 08 05:10:25 which is what the new 3.0 keyboard does i'm pretty sure Aug 08 05:10:42 http://ompldr.org/vOXQwaw Aug 08 05:10:52 right Aug 08 05:10:55 Jake_M: want mine? Aug 08 05:11:09 c'est tres tres petite :S Aug 08 05:11:12 but yeah i'll try it Aug 08 05:11:20 it works on 2.1? Aug 08 05:11:35 yep Aug 08 05:11:39 I'm on 2.1 now Aug 08 05:11:44 I'll shoot you the ipk Aug 08 05:11:57 how violent Aug 08 05:12:05 lol Aug 08 05:12:49 no backspace, shift, enter, or option yet Aug 08 05:14:24 uhmmm Aug 08 05:14:47 sent Aug 08 05:14:48 just judging from the screenshot, theres a lot of blackspace around the keyboard..is there any way you could maximize that Aug 08 05:15:05 I'm trying to, not sure how to.. Aug 08 05:15:17 you can play with the source if you want. its open source Aug 08 05:16:15 NappyBunny: don't leave! Aug 08 05:16:16 :) Aug 08 05:16:21 yo whatever happened to the 2.0.1 virtual keyboard Aug 08 05:16:24 opt sym k Aug 08 05:17:18 it crashed the phone a lot Aug 08 05:17:19 iirc Aug 08 05:17:21 ... Aug 08 05:17:26 when i type its in all caps lol Aug 08 05:17:36 yeah, working on that :) Aug 08 05:17:44 its just proof of concept atm Aug 08 05:17:57 the keyboard seems to be over to the right a bit..like its not centered in the dashboard area. Aug 08 05:18:14 yeah, need to fix that too Aug 08 05:18:22 like I said, proof of concept :) Aug 08 05:18:33 its definitely a work in progress. Aug 08 05:18:45 i know just sayin' Aug 08 05:19:59 thx for the feedback though Aug 08 05:21:59 whats all this hebrew stuff Aug 08 05:22:15 what hebrew stuff? Aug 08 05:22:24 oh, the app used to be a hebrew vkb Aug 08 05:22:56 I'll clean it up later, right now was just trying to get everything halfway working Aug 08 05:45:49 kesne: I have a working (partially) virtual kb :) Aug 08 05:45:54 pre2 compatible Aug 08 05:46:10 PatrickC: what's the mechanism? Aug 08 05:46:50 rwhitby: mechanism? its all JS and HTML if that's what you are wondering. I can send you the source (still a jumbled mess) it will be open source Aug 08 05:47:18 PatrickC: Nice! Aug 08 05:47:24 it doesn't crash the phone, so that's a plus Aug 08 05:48:23 now.. I just need to find a good return symbol... Aug 08 05:49:36 jordan i love you Aug 08 05:49:54 return is like Aug 08 05:49:54 lol? Aug 08 05:49:56 an arrow Aug 08 05:50:13 yeah, I can't find any in unicode that would work Aug 08 05:51:59 pppp Aug 08 05:51:59 oooo Aug 08 05:52:00 ⌥ Aug 08 05:52:02 for the option key Aug 08 05:52:07 http://www.natural-innovations.com/gifs/char-option.gif Aug 08 05:52:38 unless apple copyrighted that...in which case they'll sue you Aug 08 05:53:43 8997 doesn't work Aug 08 05:54:03 well thats a shame Aug 08 05:54:08 you can't just use I don't think so.. Aug 08 05:54:44 or I would Aug 08 05:55:47 oh sure you could Aug 08 05:56:08 I don't know how.. that's thx problem Aug 08 05:56:13 the* Aug 08 05:56:21 as soon as i get SFTP running again i'll try Aug 08 05:56:38 thanks Aug 08 05:57:05 I need funding Aug 08 05:57:06 Also Aug 08 05:57:09 Jake_M: I love you too Aug 08 05:57:14 lol Aug 08 05:58:25 young love, so sweet. Aug 08 05:58:48 * PatrickC shudders.. Aug 08 05:58:54 Haha. Aug 08 05:59:00 Oh geez... Aug 08 05:59:32 good thing kesne is a girl Aug 08 05:59:39 Hahaha Aug 08 05:59:40 Right. Aug 08 05:59:55 well, he wears girl's jeans, but i don't think that seals the argument Aug 08 06:00:16 i feel violated Aug 08 06:00:35 kesne: how's the villo stuff holding up - got lots of users now? Aug 08 06:00:45 well...we have 3 Villo apps in the catalog Aug 08 06:00:51 rwhitby: Haven't checked in a while users-wise Aug 08 06:01:05 Working on getting devs to actually use it Aug 08 06:01:48 * PatrickC uses it :) Aug 08 06:01:56 People who use it generally love it Aug 08 06:02:04 i f'ing love villo Aug 08 06:02:12 i think more people should use Cloud settings Aug 08 06:02:23 it would remove the need for save/restore local files :P Aug 08 06:02:53 why can't unicode be simple.. why??? :/ Aug 08 06:02:58 not when you don't have a network connection Aug 08 06:03:04 true... Aug 08 06:03:11 i'm waiting for the world thats always connected Aug 08 06:03:16 my friend is still on dialup Aug 08 06:03:45 devs who assume always connected should be forced to take a 14 hour trans-pacific flight every now and again Aug 08 06:03:51 I'm adding Villo into Checkers 3/HD. Aug 08 06:04:15 rwhitby: Villo is clever Aug 08 06:04:26 they'll have wifi on planes soon enough Aug 08 06:04:30 all planes Aug 08 06:04:47 rwhitby: Timestamp everything, and ping the server when a connection is available. Cross-reference the timestamps, and then update the server with the latest version. Aug 08 06:05:12 look at him talking up his own work Aug 08 06:05:44 I just got an email about the dev certification program... Aug 08 06:06:00 what's it say? Aug 08 06:06:35 http://pastebin.com/8jxLFT9P Aug 08 06:06:42 its too long to paste here Aug 08 06:07:40 https://developer.palm.com/content/community/hp_webos_certified_developers.html Aug 08 06:07:59 damn rod's not even certified Aug 08 06:08:45 * PatrickC wonders how he is Aug 08 06:10:02 question: on my DHCP client list on my router, my Pre comes up as blank Aug 08 06:10:07 is there any way to get it to recognize Aug 08 06:10:14 That's been there for a long time Aug 08 06:11:07 Jake_M: I'm not even a brown belt Aug 08 06:11:26 guess we can't really trust you with app making huh? Aug 08 06:11:36 I suck at apps Aug 08 06:11:42 you know who's really certified? those people who have books Aug 08 06:11:49 Appible and lighthouse or whatever Aug 08 06:11:52 they've got hundreds of apps Aug 08 06:11:54 hahaha Aug 08 06:11:58 i'd probably trust them Aug 08 06:12:04 "qualified" apps Aug 08 06:12:32 hey all it says here is that to be certified you don't even need to go to a workshop Aug 08 06:12:34 rwhitby: I have 6 apps total, 2 are beta, and only 1 should qualify (2 if I was lucky) yet I'm a brown bely Aug 08 06:12:36 just have 5+ apps Aug 08 06:13:06 sweet SFTP again Aug 08 06:13:06 rwhitby: "Regarding the Black Belt tier.  Typically we like to see 10+ apps but that is not a strict criteria.  It is primarily, activity with the webOS community, current apps and quality of apps." Aug 08 06:13:23 from a dev rel person Aug 08 06:13:38 * rwhitby will ask Richard Kerris next month in Sydney in person. Aug 08 06:13:46 lol Aug 08 06:13:48 I love Richard Kerris Aug 08 06:14:20 they all have great motivation Aug 08 06:14:32 its a shame palm's super slow sometimes in annoucing things Aug 08 06:14:34 Richard is my favorite. Really nice guy Aug 08 06:15:06 like him and stephen make me feel great about webos..but then nothing happens for months(i know its only a year and i should be patient) Aug 08 06:15:18 but i'd prefer to hear "oh the pre 3 is behind schedule instead of hearing " " Aug 08 06:17:35 villo.doNothing("easterEgg"); Aug 08 06:18:19 >:) Aug 08 06:29:26 howdy folks! Aug 08 06:29:51 you. Aug 08 06:31:02 hey ajay, long time no see Aug 08 06:31:38 Nobody here is from the old days Aug 08 06:32:33 lies Aug 08 06:32:38 Well Aug 08 06:32:40 The WOI guys Aug 08 06:32:47 But nobody cares about them. Aug 08 06:32:47 PatrickC: heh i know.. i think about jumping in sometimes, and then don't.. Aug 08 06:32:58 lol Aug 08 06:33:06 * PatrickC jumps in with both feet Aug 08 06:33:12 had a quick q, how does one track bug reports and comment on one's app? (I think this should be obvious, but seems far from it!) Aug 08 06:33:31 email? Aug 08 06:33:39 ? Aug 08 06:33:41 console? Aug 08 06:33:42 wait Aug 08 06:34:07 you want a place where you can have bug reports? Aug 08 06:34:09 i mean, when people hit the 'send bug report' button in the app cat, or leave comments, how do I see them? Aug 08 06:34:18 s/comments/reviews Aug 08 06:34:30 ajay: you need a device to see reviews Aug 08 06:34:47 akanster! Aug 08 06:34:49 akanster: well that's a no go, but i'm sure there's a way to receive email updates Aug 08 06:35:05 reviewtomail.com Aug 08 06:35:24 a 3rd party service i believe. either way, this seems a pretty crappy system altogether.. how can there be a button to send bug reports, but i never get them?! Paaaaallm!! Aug 08 06:35:30 PatrickC: niec! Aug 08 06:35:39 ajay add a button in app :P Aug 08 06:35:39 * PatrickC worked on that site :) Aug 08 06:36:07 Jake_M: you're misreading me. Aug 08 06:36:30 review to mail then Aug 08 06:36:32 unless you mean to prevent them from using palm's button? eh, that doesn't quite solve the prob Aug 08 06:37:01 http://reviewtomail.com/ Aug 08 06:37:03 bug reports don't go to reviewtomail Aug 08 06:37:17 ooh Aug 08 06:37:18 rwhitby: I was looking for both Aug 08 06:37:21 where DO they go? Aug 08 06:37:22 reviews do Aug 08 06:37:32 Don't bug reports go to HP Aug 08 06:37:59 well i'd say your best bet is just add something in your description about "hey submit bug reports in app" and then have something auto generate an email Aug 08 06:38:13 cuz i'm pretty sure Palm never sends those bug reports to the devs Aug 08 06:38:18 it used to juts give 0 star reviews and thats it Aug 08 06:38:27 99% of bug reports aren't bugs anyway, so you're not missing anything Aug 08 06:38:41 Bug reports on CFT are all stupid Aug 08 06:38:51 Jake_M: you're probably right. and it's stupid that there's no way to see reviews+bug reports on their system. gah. Aug 08 06:38:57 yeah i know Aug 08 06:39:00 PatrickC: it doesn't support beta apps? Aug 08 06:39:01 this app should be catalog ready in the next few days Aug 08 06:39:10 ever noticed that preware doesn't have a bug reporting system? Aug 08 06:39:14 ajay: not sure, haven't used it in a while.. Aug 08 06:39:36 ajay: I helped get it running (work out some bugs) haven't used it since Aug 08 06:39:38 PatrickC: oh sorry, i just asked since you mentioned you worked on it.. :) Aug 08 06:39:39 if something is a problem, enough people will complain in enough different ways that I'll hear about it eventually Aug 08 06:40:04 ajay: I did in the early stages :) Aug 08 06:40:14 "Camera quality is crap" Aug 08 06:40:16 * ajay needs to masquerade as more people to complain about his issues, writes self a note.. Aug 08 06:40:23 Okay man, look, my app can't fix that. Aug 08 06:40:39 sure it can, they want you to make an IPK that installs a new camera Aug 08 06:41:18 rwhitby: speaking of which.. The sym-link strategy for /media/ext3fs to /somewhere else works for the most part Aug 08 06:42:15 for optware bootstrap. The only issue w/ the new optware script i have is that5C it doesn't update the /opt->/var/opt symlink, nor place a /var/opt->/media/ext3fs/opt symlink in place, so i go along installing/updating apps, but i don't even know if they go anywhere. Aug 08 06:42:24 kesne: heh Aug 08 06:42:56 It's seriously annoying, heh Aug 08 06:43:12 ajay: ipkg installs should be going through /opt anyway, and not care where it is mounted from Aug 08 06:43:39 and /opt is then mounted from /media/ext3fs/opt Aug 08 06:44:45 rwhitby: hrmm.. i had a ton of trouble the first time (I kept installing/removing apps, but could not find them _at all_.. i still am clueless where/if they installed anywhere, since i couldn't find anything) Aug 08 06:45:11 it didn't seem to mount /opt for me, i guess is my issue thne Aug 08 06:45:35 err, is this #woi talk? Aug 08 06:46:02 rwhitby: want the virtual keyboard? missing a few components, but works. will be GPL Aug 08 06:47:01 * rwhitby is busy on Tailor Aug 08 06:47:11 i forgot all about that app Aug 08 06:47:13 Tailor? sounds cool Aug 08 06:47:24 you announced that a long time ago didn't you?? Aug 08 06:47:27 whatsit? Aug 08 06:47:56 http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/tailor/ Aug 08 06:48:42 ooo Aug 08 06:48:51 sounds like something I will use :) Aug 08 06:49:19 nice! i had a feeling there'd be an app like that at some point :) Aug 08 06:49:50 hey can some touchpad user test an app for me quick-like? Aug 08 06:50:01 * ajay is starting to think it's ridiculous to develop for a platform one doesn't own Aug 08 06:50:16 buy it then Aug 08 06:50:32 Jake_M: i'll be looking for the money from you shortly then, THANKS! Aug 08 06:50:53 make a quality app Aug 08 06:50:56 pays for itself Aug 08 06:50:59 I <3 node Aug 08 06:51:00 rwhitby: did you see beta feeds were back up Aug 08 06:51:15 PatrickC: I saw someone mistakenly think that they are Aug 08 06:51:25 I confirmed they are Aug 08 06:51:34 I searched for my app (beta) and it came up Aug 08 06:52:07 i heard they were like old as June Aug 08 06:52:20 so maybe they somehow just put up a placeholder Aug 08 06:52:29 my app hasn't been updated in a while, but still Aug 08 06:53:49 i had 83% battery life like Aug 08 06:53:51 10 minutes ago Aug 08 06:53:53 i'm at 40% Aug 08 06:53:55 wat Aug 08 06:54:46 PatrickC: do you see tuxpaint in there? Aug 08 06:54:57 * ajay gags.. forgot how much slower his pre+ is to his Pre2.. aiee!! Aug 08 06:55:07 lol Aug 08 06:55:29 ajay: the UberAppCat works :) Aug 08 06:55:33 I'll look though Aug 08 06:55:58 hey you wanna know whats slow? Pre- running 2.1 at 500mhz right after your doctor Aug 08 06:56:05 i opened up the launcher Aug 08 06:56:17 Too Many Cards: You have too many cards open. try swiping some away Aug 08 06:56:22 it was in the pre catalog only, and i updated it to be tp-only on friday Aug 08 06:56:25 its there Aug 08 06:56:34 but not available for my model Aug 08 06:58:19 hotdp: hey Aug 08 06:58:50 hmm, i think my test was as good as yours then, oops :) need a beta app w/ newer metadata :) Aug 08 06:59:03 guys Linux News Weekly email just came in. Turns out /usr/ is just a big waste of space. Go ahead and delete it. Aug 08 07:01:17 Goodmorgning and hi PatrickC Aug 08 07:01:47 who is this guygm! Aug 08 07:02:58 "Want a phone where the police can't track you, get a Pre2 on Verizon. it couldn't track you if it tried!" Aug 08 07:03:00 bahaha Aug 08 07:03:19 is the gps really that bad? Aug 08 07:03:57 s/gps/Verizon Aug 08 07:04:08 lol Aug 08 07:05:05 PatrickC: i thought about that.. except for the triangulation part :) Aug 08 07:05:19 lol Aug 08 07:05:45 mine's kinda horrible.. i feel like it's a webOS 2 issue tho Aug 08 07:14:02 I'm using a Pre2 on Telstra, and amusingly GPS is the only reliable method of determining my location I've got on it. Aug 08 07:14:07 * PatrickC typed this on the virtual keyboard :) Aug 08 07:14:26 Can't use Google Services because of the southern hemisphere bug, and it doesn't seem to like using triangulation. Aug 08 07:15:38 rwhitby: Speaking of that... is the southern hemisphere bug still present on the touchpad? Aug 08 07:16:00 don't think the tp has a gps? does it? Aug 08 07:16:03 man ndrive is getting really expectant on the beta reviewers.. not really practical for me w/ the broken vz Nav.. Aug 08 07:16:21 PatrickC: The southern hemisphere bug is to do with Google Services, not the GPS. Aug 08 07:16:25 it does not Aug 08 07:16:27 Hendikins: yes, it is Aug 08 07:16:27 PatrickC: google services uses WiFi afaik Aug 08 07:16:34 * PatrickC hasn't visited ndrive in a while Aug 08 07:16:47 rwhitby: Oh for... *mutter* Aug 08 07:17:02 Hendikins: word is next OTA after 3.0.2 Aug 08 07:17:20 rwhitby: I expect to be in a casket before it is fixed. Aug 08 07:17:39 PatrickC: I was guessing, else you would have seen "NDrive for Touchpad" :) Aug 08 07:17:52 haha Aug 08 07:17:58 don't have a tp yet :) Aug 08 07:18:04 Hendikins: I expect it will be fixed soon after September, when Richard Kerris ventures down-under. Aug 08 07:18:13 Heh Aug 08 07:18:16 but yet you would hvae it on your pre2 Aug 08 07:18:30 it won't run on it Aug 08 07:18:31 PatrickC: I was trying to put that together w/ your q of whether the TP has a GPS or not actually :) Aug 08 07:18:33 september 2015 Aug 08 07:19:02 If nothing else, having it fixed would be useful when I travel on the underground parts of my rail network. That way Latitude would have reliable data. Aug 08 07:21:38 hey guys this is relating to i guess mojo on 2.1, but i'm trying to change the height of this dashboard notification..well not so much the notification but the area Aug 08 07:22:03 like on music player remix, the dashboard has those 3 widgets and its like a certain height, how do i modify that height? Aug 08 07:22:16 Jake_M: Is it a dashboard or an alert? Aug 08 07:22:20 right now my content is like 200px high and the dashboard area is like 150px Aug 08 07:22:22 dashboard Aug 08 07:22:45 * akanster told himself, "just one more bug fix then I watch Entourage." An hour later, I'm still coding, adding features :( Aug 08 07:23:09 PatrickC: Go to bed! :) Aug 08 07:23:19 akanster: I am :) Aug 08 07:23:27 I've been working on a virtual keyboard Aug 08 07:23:31 its amazing! Aug 08 07:23:52 * PatrickC whispers "and doesn't crash webOS" Aug 08 07:24:45 akanster: it will be awesome! I'm off to bed now.. night all :) Aug 08 07:24:54 heh Aug 08 07:25:22 Jake_M will give screenshots later if he wants, he's allowed :P Aug 08 07:25:33 he's doing all the css Aug 08 07:25:57 night! Aug 08 07:26:07 cya Aug 08 07:30:06 heres the vkb. it has some ui improvements I don't have, as they are still being worked on http://ompldr.org/vOXQxaA http://ompldr.org/vOXQxag Aug 08 07:31:03 by the way Aug 08 07:31:08 the keyboard is NOT gonna be that small Aug 08 07:31:15 its f'in impossible to touch those keys idc what he says Aug 08 07:31:27 night guys Aug 08 07:32:06 good morning :D Aug 08 07:32:10 WELCOME Aug 08 07:37:15 bye Aug 08 07:37:19 lol Aug 08 07:38:54 Heh, try using that on a Veer. Aug 08 07:39:07 actually Aug 08 07:39:13 no Aug 08 07:39:14 lol Aug 08 07:39:24 i was gonna say we could make the keys auto resize Aug 08 07:39:32 but even half of the veer would be painful Aug 08 07:39:32 * Hendikins plays the Mission Impossible theme. Aug 08 07:39:49 actually we could make it the full size of the screen and make you guess Aug 08 07:40:12 ACTUALLY what we definitely could do is make it so all you can see if what you're typing...so basically whatever the size of the text field is - screen size Aug 08 07:40:21 so you can't see what anyone else wrote but it might fit Aug 08 07:40:27 *might* Aug 08 07:52:07 * ajay trying to search on craigslist gives me one conclusion: touchpad was a stupid name choice (too common of a word) Aug 08 07:52:18 i agree Aug 08 07:54:26 hm, looks like GNOME3 has Just Type or something.. :) Aug 08 07:55:56 this virtual keyboard thing is actually going pretty well Aug 08 08:20:39 OKAY Aug 08 08:20:59 http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/viperbattlefield/9fe8afe8.png Aug 08 08:21:03 http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/viperbattlefield/05520cc7.png Aug 08 08:21:08 http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/viperbattlefield/b3012fab.png Aug 08 08:29:24 I'd still like to see somebody try and use it on a Veer. :P Aug 08 08:32:53 you're a veer Aug 08 08:35:00 see ya folks.. still need a touchpadder to test TuxPaint for me btw! Aug 08 08:45:21 viperbattlefield? Aug 08 08:45:47 made that photobucket in 4th grade Aug 08 08:45:55 that explains it haha Aug 08 08:45:55 go away Aug 08 08:46:02 >:( Aug 08 08:46:17 does this sound right Aug 08 08:46:22 i need an Unicode? Aug 08 08:46:26 a unicode Aug 08 08:47:18 whatever i need a unicode or ascii character for 4 symbols, being "Back", "Carriage Return(Enter)", "Shift", and "Option" Aug 08 08:48:15 has to work with webos...cuz sometimes webos doesn't recognize them Aug 08 13:42:14 is there couchdb on the new webos? Aug 08 13:45:09 morning all Aug 08 13:48:10 I LOVE ME MY VKB :) (all caps because that's all the vkb types atm) Aug 08 13:54:20 wat Aug 08 13:59:00 cwayne: I have a virtual keyboard on my Pre that works Aug 08 13:59:11 still in the early development stages Aug 08 14:02:39 any unicode/ascii masters here? Aug 08 14:03:13 there's no such thing Aug 08 14:04:15 well, I need help with them :) Aug 08 14:04:32 I need a unicode or ascii character for 4 symbols, being "Back", "Carriage Return(Enter)", "Shift", and "Option" Aug 08 14:04:44 must work on webos Aug 08 14:05:54 its for THIS (ONLY TYPES IN CAPS ATM) http://ompldr.org/vOXQ2aw Aug 08 14:06:53 hahahahaha Aug 08 14:06:59 looking good PatrickC Aug 08 14:07:08 cwayne: what? Aug 08 14:07:12 johnfromnix: thanks Aug 08 14:07:19 i just find it funny it only types in caps Aug 08 14:07:23 PatrickC: google. Aug 08 14:07:30 Tibfib: tried Aug 08 14:07:38 the unicode chars I found didn't work Aug 08 14:07:40 look what I found: http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm Aug 08 14:07:56 cwayne: it'll do both (caps/lowercase) soon Aug 08 14:08:39 Tibfib: I'll look there.. funny, that never came up last night Aug 08 14:08:50 shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Aug 08 14:09:04 that means you weren't looking properly if you never found it Aug 08 14:09:09 also: http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/ASCII-HTML-Characters/index.php, http://www.web-source.net/symbols.htm, http://www.lookuptables.com/ Aug 08 14:09:33 ← would work for backspace Aug 08 14:10:14 → could work for carriage return Aug 08 14:10:25 thanks Aug 08 14:10:31 ↑ would work for shift Aug 08 14:10:45 anyone who helps gets a free promo code :) Aug 08 14:21:02 le sigh Aug 08 14:22:48 whats wrong? Aug 08 14:40:45 how does that keyboard work? Aug 08 14:40:54 something seems fishy Aug 08 14:46:37 I want that VKB Aug 08 14:47:06 PuffTheMagic: ping Aug 08 14:49:59 IGNTNUNLMTD: patrick's code Aug 08 14:50:12 he took the images from palm one. smells like bad news Aug 08 14:50:32 and I just saw on Twitter that it uses the notif area? Aug 08 14:50:39 huh Aug 08 14:50:43 that's illegal! Aug 08 14:50:43 yeah, I'll wait for the OEM one Aug 08 14:51:03 the one I had in 2.0.1 was SO good Aug 08 14:51:15 yeah Aug 08 14:51:15 * Tibfib thought is was mediocre Aug 08 14:51:25 i never used the one in 2.0.1 Aug 08 14:51:27 the official palm one was fast as hell and accurate Aug 08 14:52:18 summatusmentis: pong Aug 08 14:53:55 IGNTNUNLMTD: It also crashed my phone when I typed too fast or went to landscape :) Aug 08 14:54:03 on 2.1, yeah Aug 08 14:54:08 but on 2.0.1 it was fine Aug 08 14:54:13 I have a Pre- Aug 08 14:54:18 ah Aug 08 14:54:25 I can't wait for a homebrew VKB Aug 08 14:54:30 I loved the 1.4.5 one Aug 08 14:54:32 well it doesn't work on 2.1 on the Pre 2 :-( Aug 08 14:54:44 PuffTheMagic: re: twitter, what's the context? Aug 08 14:55:00 gestures in tide Aug 08 14:55:47 oh, things like power-scroll seem useful, and other types of tings for "advanced" features, beyond "typing" Aug 08 14:55:50 you know? Aug 08 14:56:52 like 2 finger swipe left/right to change between files Aug 08 14:56:55 power scroll? Aug 08 14:56:57 that would be neat Aug 08 14:57:13 damn these bluetooth headphones Aug 08 14:57:18 they wont stay paired while charging Aug 08 14:57:42 PuffTheMagic: do you use Carbon? Aug 08 14:58:11 two-finger scroll jumps to the top or bottom of the thing scrolling Aug 08 14:58:21 twbbas: that'd be neat Aug 08 15:00:07 i wish you could select multiple photos to attach. Aug 08 15:00:18 or select, period. that's a huge gripe Aug 08 15:01:26 the email app allows multi-select Aug 08 15:01:32 you probably can Aug 08 15:01:39 not on pre Aug 08 15:01:41 oh Aug 08 15:01:45 summatusmentis: no carbon for me Aug 08 15:02:06 oh, well, like I said, 2-finger jump to top or bottom Aug 08 15:02:20 thats not much of a scroll then ;) Aug 08 15:02:51 well, it's a "power scroll", it scrolls all the way to the top Aug 08 15:04:34 everyone retweet Zhephree's "Words With Friends" tweet if you haven't already http://twitter.com/zhephree/statuses/100581916109058048 Aug 08 15:05:06 it would be a major score to get these guys on board with webOS Aug 08 15:06:50 yes Aug 08 15:08:32 Tibfib: ping Aug 08 15:14:26 pong Aug 08 15:14:34 PatrickC Aug 08 15:14:36 that's a classic Aug 08 15:14:42 Tibfib: I lost the backlog (wirc crashed) and the livelogs don't show the links/chars.. can you please give me them again? Aug 08 15:14:43 thanks Aug 08 15:14:47 oh wow, these wireless bluetooth headphones are awesome on webos Aug 08 15:14:48 even just the links Aug 08 15:14:55 PatrickC: just google Aug 08 15:14:59 also: http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/ASCII-HTML-Characters/index.php, http://www.web-source.net/symbols.htm, http://www.lookuptables.com/ Aug 08 15:15:06 Or I can take pity on you Aug 08 15:15:13 I think we've well established that he can't google Aug 08 15:15:17 it's a tragedy, really Aug 08 15:15:44 sugardave: a comedy more like it Aug 08 15:15:54 a tragicomedy! Aug 08 15:16:03 sugardave: I tried google last night for the return key in unicode and couldn't find a working one Aug 08 15:16:20 time to get him a temporary tattoo for the back of his hands that says lmgtfy Aug 08 15:16:26 PatrickC: make it work Aug 08 15:16:34 fxspec06: have you seen it? Aug 08 15:16:41 if something doesn't work, change search terms and TRY AGAIN Aug 08 15:17:08 I will admit that searching for certain symbols on google is a royal pain Aug 08 15:17:21 Loudergood: dangit Loudergood, don't undermine this Aug 08 15:17:28 lol Aug 08 15:17:31 meh, I could even find stuff about $ Aug 08 15:17:45 sugardave: have you seen the vkb? Aug 08 15:17:57 yeah, I use it everyday Aug 08 15:17:59 and about " Aug 08 15:18:10 sugardave: on the pre2 Aug 08 15:18:34 I haven't seen a vkb on a phone since the first one Aug 08 15:18:43 I like my hardware kb Aug 08 15:18:57 ok.. and that's what all this is for Aug 08 15:18:59 http://ompldr.org/vOXQ2aw Aug 08 15:19:08 irrelevant Aug 08 15:20:22 Tibfib: what was → for? Aug 08 15:20:31 USE YOUR BRAIN Aug 08 15:20:40 I'm going to take a wild guess Aug 08 15:20:41 PatrickC, try it out Aug 08 15:20:44 or if that's too hard, google. Aug 08 15:20:45 and say right arrow Aug 08 15:20:47 its a right arrow Aug 08 15:20:51 magic! Aug 08 15:20:59 damn, I'm good Aug 08 15:21:00 what would a right arrow be for? Aug 08 15:21:08 not backspace/enter/shift.. Aug 08 15:21:12 don't answer that Aug 08 15:21:26 Tibfib, shame on you. You gave the wrong answer! Aug 08 15:21:29 :-) Aug 08 15:21:45 and that is? Aug 08 15:22:30 s/is/was/ Aug 08 15:22:34 you suggested → as the return symbol when it clearly isnt Aug 08 15:22:37 tztz Aug 08 15:22:49 thanks pal. Aug 08 15:23:02 I said it *could*. not that it should Aug 08 15:23:12 isn't ctrl+-> an enter/return on some ancient systems? Aug 08 15:23:39 PatrickC, I think you'll have to draw your arrows yourself. Aug 08 15:24:17 i can draw arrows Aug 08 15:24:22 lies Aug 08 15:24:24 i draw incredible huge red arrows Aug 08 15:24:29 that's about it Aug 08 15:24:34 * halfhalo-work yawns Aug 08 15:24:35 that's the ebst thing I can draw Aug 08 15:24:42 well Aug 08 15:24:44 lines I guess Aug 08 15:25:00 so, my pre keeps rebooting Aug 08 15:25:08 halfhalo: it's a typical day in here. Patrick asking ... questions Aug 08 15:25:15 summatusmentis: that no good Aug 08 15:25:17 any ideas how to figure out the cause? Aug 08 15:25:20 that bad Aug 08 15:25:28 summatusmentis: using custom kernels? Aug 08 15:25:31 Tibfib: it'll turn on for a bit, then randomly shut down Aug 08 15:25:39 yeah, but it's the same custom kernel I've been using for a long time Aug 08 15:25:51 I dunno, I'd get rid of the kernel Aug 08 15:25:55 bad battery? Aug 08 15:25:55 summatusmentis, maybe the power button is a broken Aug 08 15:25:56 and maybe install it again later Aug 08 15:26:03 ooh, both good suggestions Aug 08 15:26:30 phoque: well, the power button is "broken", but even then shouldn't it pop up the "shut down" menu? Aug 08 15:26:38 oh, right Aug 08 15:26:41 sugardave: it's newish, so I doubt it Aug 08 15:26:51 I really think we need an anti-FUD campaign on Twitter Aug 08 15:26:52 I'll try the kernel thing and see if that does anything Aug 08 15:26:57 ah, I thought it was just powering off, not prompting you Aug 08 15:26:59 summatusmentis: yeah, I'd try that first Aug 08 15:27:00 my Pre2 will reboot if I mute/unmute the ringer too quickly Aug 08 15:27:02 try that Aug 08 15:27:04 :-) Aug 08 15:27:09 sugardave: that's correct Aug 08 15:27:17 phoque: Challenge accepted. Aug 08 15:27:17 sugardave: but the battery is newish Aug 08 15:27:31 phoque: 6 times Aug 08 15:27:44 phoque: the ringer switch stays where it is, in vibrate Aug 08 15:27:55 phoque: Tried, and it responded ridiculously fast Aug 08 15:27:57 lol Aug 08 15:27:58 reading comprehension! right...hopefully it's the kernel and something else...time for a refresh :D Aug 08 15:28:10 it's important to note that I cobbled this together from two old, non-functioning pres Aug 08 15:28:11 no reset here Aug 08 15:28:37 dang, now my phone's rebooting Aug 08 15:28:38 :-) Aug 08 15:28:44 toggling the ringer switch and holding the power button is a hard reset Aug 08 15:28:45 summatusmentis: well, damn...can you have some MORE variables? :P Aug 08 15:28:57 sugardave: running meta-doctored 2.1? Aug 08 15:28:59 :) Aug 08 15:29:00 oh, yeah? Aug 08 15:29:01 haha Aug 08 15:29:09 Tibfib, my power button is stuck on "on" so that might be the reason Aug 08 15:29:10 :-D Aug 08 15:29:15 heh, that'd make sense Aug 08 15:30:43 square+sym+REISUB works as a softer reset Aug 08 15:31:05 WOW Aug 08 15:31:13 * hotdp is waiting on a loaner device Aug 08 15:31:15 installing palm kernel now, will uninstall uberkernel after Aug 08 15:31:25 the dev rel team is working hard i must say! Aug 08 15:31:39 NOT HARD ENOUGH Aug 08 15:31:51 Aug 08 15:31:56 I just want my touchpad Aug 08 15:32:43 me too Aug 08 15:32:54 bleh Aug 08 15:33:08 my touchpad messed with my head today, lied to me about what time it was Aug 08 15:33:12 me2 but i asked for a loaner and the same night it was send from CA to Denmark Aug 08 15:33:18 (as in, didn't update timezones on its own) Aug 08 15:33:22 woot triggered the fraud thingie on my cc. bleh. Aug 08 15:33:28 hotdp: nice Aug 08 15:33:50 halfhalo: buying large quantities of scuba gear? Aug 08 15:34:37 no, was going to get the 16GB TP they had, then realized I didn't have enough monies left to get it on the card, so had them cancel the order. and now its locked out. Aug 08 15:38:02 Is there anything i should be carefull with when i receive the TP? Can i use my main profile? Aug 08 15:38:16 yeah, you can Aug 08 15:38:22 yup Aug 08 15:38:57 for enyo, is the activate method "render", or "rendered"? Aug 08 15:39:36 * Tibfib tests then Aug 08 15:39:48 Tibfib: rendered Aug 08 15:39:49 rendered Aug 08 15:39:53 thanks! Aug 08 15:40:00 * halfhalo-work is to tired to be at work today Aug 08 15:40:38 Tibfib: and it really isn't the same as activate....but close enough. You can also use ready Aug 08 15:40:52 sugardave: ah, Aug 08 15:40:54 would you guys be angry about an app taking your location, name, address, phonenumber and submitting it to a webservice unencrypted without your permission? Aug 08 15:40:58 what is the difference? Aug 08 15:41:01 matbee: yes. Aug 08 15:41:03 but ready may happen before it's rendered Aug 08 15:41:14 hmmm, I need to change the dom Aug 08 15:41:19 ready just means the component and all it's components have been created Aug 08 15:41:28 ohh Aug 08 15:41:30 oh and your device's unique id Aug 08 15:41:30 ready might let you do that Aug 08 15:41:32 i should be using ready then too Aug 08 15:41:35 but ready is after create ? sugardave Aug 08 15:41:41 yews Aug 08 15:41:44 yes Aug 08 15:41:46 I think that should work Aug 08 15:42:50 should it be possible to do a multistage app without using nowindow: true Aug 08 15:42:58 actually it doesn't seem to work Aug 08 15:43:07 fxspec06: I don't think so Aug 08 15:43:10 fxspec06: what do you mean? Aug 08 15:43:25 because my app runs mutlistage without that code Aug 08 15:43:56 with nowindow set to true it doesn't automatically launch when i run from eclipse, but without that code it does automatically launch. Aug 08 15:44:05 and it makes no difference in the behavior Aug 08 15:44:19 you can have a "multi-stage" app with a top controlling window, if that's what you want Aug 08 15:44:26 rather than an invisible controlling window Aug 08 15:44:33 hmm. i really didn't know that Aug 08 15:44:38 My TP wasn't installing my app from computer and DOH! it wasn't in dev mode ;) Aug 08 15:44:51 twbbas: n0000b Aug 08 15:44:51 i learned something new today! hooray! now it's time to party Aug 08 15:45:04 twbbas: n0000000b Aug 08 15:45:13 thanks guys Aug 08 15:45:20 hi Aug 08 15:45:28 hello Aug 08 15:45:50 so, people who use iframes a lot Aug 08 15:46:07 DraX ? Aug 08 15:46:15 I am running into a problem where I can get the source of a page, inject into the iframe, but the damn css won't apply Aug 08 15:46:24 even if I rewrite all the sources via regexp first Aug 08 15:46:32 still waiting for my app to be approved for three weeks now... Aug 08 15:46:42 sheeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhh sugardave Aug 08 15:46:48 ArtworkAD: send pdc @ palm an email Aug 08 15:46:52 ArtworkAD: send email to pdc@palm.com and ask for a status Aug 08 15:47:08 * Tibfib wins Aug 08 15:47:19 heh Aug 08 15:48:31 weeee i love not using nowindow, becuase i love using $ Aug 08 15:48:34 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Aug 08 15:48:39 * fxspec06 loves $ Aug 08 15:49:08 fxspec06: n0000000000b Aug 08 15:49:14 ArtworkAD: I am looking into the reason and will get back to you today. Aug 08 15:49:20 dkirker!! Aug 08 15:49:21 sugardave: iFrames is a pain, i have had a lot of problems but its mainly because of security Aug 08 15:49:21 oh yeah dkirker Aug 08 15:49:28 so, switching back to palm kernel gives me a TMC error for a while Aug 08 15:49:30 hehe ok Aug 08 15:49:32 thanks Aug 08 15:49:33 hi sugardave, Tibfib Aug 08 15:49:33 s/for/after/ Aug 08 15:49:40 dkirker!! Aug 08 15:49:42 dkirker: most awesome web dude....use iframes much? Aug 08 15:49:45 and PatrickC Aug 08 15:49:55 dkirker! now that you're in dev rels, you can help me out even more with an internship Aug 08 15:50:01 and sugardave Aug 08 15:50:06 hotdp: yeah, I will cross that bridge if/when I get there :D Aug 08 15:50:14 sugardave: I despise the little b*stards :P Aug 08 15:50:15 * PatrickC has everything but a carriage return/opt key :) Aug 08 15:50:27 j/k, I don't really like iframes, though :/ Aug 08 15:50:29 dkirker: I'm getting to that point as well Aug 08 15:50:38 I can ALMOST get it to do what I need Aug 08 15:50:58 but it won't apply the css from the source even after rewriting the locations...any tips? Aug 08 15:50:59 sugardave: append base href="" to the page Aug 08 15:51:11 sugardave: i don't think that will work for XHR, but it'll work for any srcs Aug 08 15:51:17 is there any advantage to using $ over this.controller.get? or vice versa? Aug 08 15:51:23 as a tag Aug 08 15:51:31 DraX: ah, neat-o Aug 08 15:51:36 ok, I am running a bit late... :| Aug 08 15:51:39 sugardave: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_base.asp Aug 08 15:51:42 Talk to you later everyone! Aug 08 15:51:46 DraX: have you had any luck yet? Aug 08 15:51:47 byyyyyy dkirker Aug 08 15:51:48 dkirker: bye Aug 08 15:51:55 sugardave: no i didn't really fiddle with it Aug 08 15:52:02 i take it the embeded iframe trick didn't work? Aug 08 15:52:06 no Aug 08 15:52:19 so it's grab the source and use .setHTML() on the iframe Aug 08 15:52:37 yeah i was actually going to try that with maps Aug 08 15:52:48 though because of all the xhrs i was going to modify the maps source to send fully qualified urls Aug 08 15:53:07 but i need to be in the office to be able to do that :) Aug 08 15:53:53 which i need to head to now Aug 08 15:53:55 bbl Aug 08 15:54:35 DraX: good luck, thanks for the tip I will see if it works Aug 08 15:57:58 okay, I think I'm going to send out a new NomNomNom beta Aug 08 16:01:35 meh. i have to use nowindow. oh well it was fun to learn Aug 08 16:03:03 erg, so it looks like we just ignore declarations completely... Aug 08 16:03:04 :/ Aug 08 16:06:14 why are in app purchase items so buggy for my account Aug 08 16:07:13 heads aren't important Aug 08 16:07:40 sure they are Aug 08 16:08:37 Has anyone here implemented in-app purchase items? Aug 08 16:26:04 hi chuqui! Bye chuqui! :D Aug 08 16:28:37 morning! Aug 08 16:34:25 hey chuqui Aug 08 16:39:16 I'm probably ordering my iMac today! :D Aug 08 16:39:27 nice Aug 08 16:39:30 shiny new iMac? Aug 08 16:39:31 did you order your TP? Aug 08 16:39:49 not yet Aug 08 16:40:01 halfhalo-work: '06 model.. Aug 08 16:40:07 bah Aug 08 16:40:15 $400 though Aug 08 16:40:24 hey, I'm still running an 07 macbook Aug 08 16:40:30 nuthin' wrong with that Aug 08 16:40:39 * ctladvance wants a new MacBook air with i7 Aug 08 16:40:52 http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MA590LLA-PB-R&cat=SYS Aug 08 16:40:56 * halfhalo-work does as well, but will most likely settle fo the i5 air Aug 08 16:40:56 ctladvance: me too, and 11" Aug 08 16:41:08 * ctladvance may just order one Aug 08 16:41:11 isnt a i7 just wasting your battery without a noticeable speedup in most cases? Aug 08 16:41:17 Yeah they are pretty slick now Aug 08 16:41:27 Were really a joke before Aug 08 16:41:29 I'm bummed that the 11" doesn't get the increased battery life Aug 08 16:41:32 i thought u weregettn a toshiba Aug 08 16:41:37 la Aug 08 16:41:37 ö Aug 08 16:41:44 PatrickC, its... white Aug 08 16:41:44 the main reason I would go with the i5 is that I can get it from amazon which has no tax Aug 08 16:42:09 fxspec06: the toshiba was gonna be free and temporary Aug 08 16:42:11 I have a toshiba nice machine, but can't do iOS dev on windows really Aug 08 16:42:12 phoque: tests I've seen said the i7 speeds up things nicely for some tasks, and doesn't drain battery much; but less worthwhile on one of the models (forget which) Aug 08 16:42:14 phoque: yes? Aug 08 16:42:18 i7 has multithreading Aug 08 16:42:23 so does i5 Aug 08 16:42:26 ctladvance: my point exactly Aug 08 16:42:38 first gen ddnt Aug 08 16:42:51 these are not first gen Aug 08 16:42:54 I <3 my 2010 MBP Aug 08 16:42:55 Though I was also looking at some g5's someone was hocking Aug 08 16:42:55 lol Aug 08 16:43:04 PatrickC, and 17" only... I am not sure about that thing Aug 08 16:43:07 IGNTNUNLMTD: I needed you last night.. Aug 08 16:43:08 is it really worth 400 USD? Aug 08 16:43:08 I think they were to slow Aug 08 16:43:11 lol Aug 08 16:43:21 phoque: they are $1100 elsewhere... Aug 08 16:43:23 THESE BE NEW AND BETTER THAN THE SAME PROCESSOR IN A WINDOWS COMPUTER BECAUSE IT IS AN APPLE Aug 08 16:43:32 I was drinking margaritas, I wouldn't have been much help PatrickC Aug 08 16:43:35 lol Aug 08 16:43:35 PatrickC, they're definitely not worth 1100 Aug 08 16:43:40 I know that Aug 08 16:44:01 same hardware like in any other pc, you pay for the brand actually^^^but I like the apple keyboard Aug 08 16:44:04 i wanna know who would pay 1100 today for an 06 imac Aug 08 16:44:10 I pay for osx Aug 08 16:44:12 PatrickC: why not got a pc for 500? Aug 08 16:44:14 i want to talk to this person Aug 08 16:44:17 quadcore +++ Aug 08 16:44:20 Tibfib: need a bac Aug 08 16:44:21 pretty easy to find Aug 08 16:44:23 halfhalo: i know, i've owned a mac. but Aug 08 16:44:26 mac* Aug 08 16:44:30 I paid 600 EUR for a '10 Envy Aug 08 16:44:31 woo, that is one ugly baby, but it is kicking Aug 08 16:44:32 I can no longer justify buying Apple hardware to get OS X now that Lion is out. Aug 08 16:44:34 sounds like a much better deal to me Aug 08 16:44:35 I have a hard time paying over 600 for any intel based pc Aug 08 16:44:37 <][DragoNero][> Un saluto a tutto il chan Aug 08 16:44:44 LOL Aug 08 16:44:44 so you can append base tags to the head after inserting into an iframe Aug 08 16:44:48 lol Aug 08 16:44:48 Just why... Oh because it's apple Aug 08 16:44:49 but you can append links Aug 08 16:44:55 so, you have to put them in the body Aug 08 16:44:56 PatrickC: why? Aug 08 16:44:59 won't validate, but it works Aug 08 16:45:02 iOS dev Aug 08 16:45:14 I'm taking Objective-C as a course this year Aug 08 16:45:19 * halfhalo-work has way more pc's than mac's. but hearts mac's as his dev env Aug 08 16:45:19 same Aug 08 16:45:24 Obj-C is scary Aug 08 16:45:29 Don't they provide the Mac at school Aug 08 16:45:33 but I have to conquer it at some point to be useful Aug 08 16:45:36 which is why I take a 28 class course Aug 08 16:45:45 ctladvance: online course Aug 08 16:46:03 * ctladvance has over 20 pcs now Aug 08 16:46:07 wow Aug 08 16:46:12 that's a great deal at $419 Aug 08 16:46:13 DraX: see above, except where I said "can append links" should say "can't append links" Aug 08 16:46:14 * halfhalo-work has... 6ish right now. Aug 08 16:46:19 wait, can you seriously not do iOS dev on windows? Aug 08 16:46:22 9 of which are sitting in the rain waiting to be kicked Aug 08 16:46:28 No Aug 08 16:46:32 Unless flash Aug 08 16:46:33 summatusmentis, yes. Mac OSX only Aug 08 16:46:34 summatusmentis: you need XCode Aug 08 16:46:36 summatusmentis: You need Objective-C and Xcode Aug 08 16:46:36 But even then Aug 08 16:46:41 which is osx only Aug 08 16:46:46 You need Xcode for everything Aug 08 16:46:48 I remember that being an issue originally, I figured they would have fixed that Aug 08 16:46:53 I love the webOS dev tools Aug 08 16:46:53 You can use build.phonegap Aug 08 16:46:53 :-) Aug 08 16:46:56 nope Aug 08 16:46:56 or appmobi Aug 08 16:47:04 PatrickC: you can put my old processor in your imac! Aug 08 16:47:07 hotdp: phonegap still requires OSX Aug 08 16:47:10 same chipset Aug 08 16:47:15 Can't put it in the app store unless u have a valid Mac Aug 08 16:47:17 summatusmentis: No incentive for them to "fix" it Aug 08 16:47:18 fxspec06: I could! how fast is yours? Aug 08 16:47:27 p8400 2.26ghz Aug 08 16:47:30 ianbeck: I suppose not, I just assumed Aug 08 16:47:35 * halfhalo-work dunnos if apple solders their cpu's to the mobo for imacs Aug 08 16:47:35 not much faster.. Aug 08 16:47:38 it'd be a noticable speed boost =D Aug 08 16:47:44 for cheap too Aug 08 16:47:45 Build.phonegap works great Aug 08 16:47:49 really? from 2GHz? Aug 08 16:47:51 guh, my pre is being weird Aug 08 16:47:52 summatusmentis: Never assume Apple will act in anyone's interest other than their own ;-) Aug 08 16:47:52 halfhalo-work, they're basically notebooks in a weird shell Aug 08 16:48:02 ianbeck: clearly :) Aug 08 16:48:12 PatrickC: how much faster is your pre+ from 600 -> 800mhz Aug 08 16:48:12 so I'd say you cant change the CPU Aug 08 16:48:13 PatrickC: appMobi it is then Aug 08 16:48:27 hotdp: a mac is needed for any apple dev period Aug 08 16:48:39 it can't be submitted unless compiled on a mac Aug 08 16:48:44 phoque: I know. But I can't remember if they are soldered, since some are and some are not. Aug 08 16:48:54 ah ok Aug 08 16:48:59 no way you can change the CPU in an iMac Aug 08 16:49:02 I need the iOS emulator. I don't have any iOS devices to use to test as well Aug 08 16:49:07 you may be able to. Aug 08 16:49:08 PatrickC, and you'll have to pay 100 USD per year to enable dev mode on your phone Aug 08 16:49:09 Mac Pro? Probably. iMac? Hell no. Aug 08 16:49:25 phoque: don't have a iOS device Aug 08 16:49:32 and the fee is already covered for me Aug 08 16:49:33 yeah, that's the biggest detractor from iOS dev is the fees Aug 08 16:49:39 PatrickC: Will have an iPhone by EOY and forget about us at this pace Aug 08 16:49:44 I don't pay a cent Aug 08 16:49:54 ctladvance: that would never happen Aug 08 16:50:05 That's what they all set Aug 08 16:50:06 ctladvance: he'll still come here to ask questions Aug 08 16:50:08 to put it in the app store? will still cost you 99 bucks. Aug 08 16:50:09 I would get an Evo 3D and forget about this place Aug 08 16:50:20 Per year Aug 08 16:50:21 glad you like us so much Aug 08 16:50:22 halfhalo-work: someone is gonna pay for it for me Aug 08 16:50:32 I've already got that covered Aug 08 16:50:36 That's worse Aug 08 16:50:44 halfhalo-work, not even that. It's 99 USD even if you dont release it Aug 08 16:50:53 that's how my old church (who I'm making the app for) is supporting me Aug 08 16:50:55 Yeah per year Aug 08 16:50:57 yeah. 99 bucks I will not give apple. Aug 08 16:50:58 they pay the $99 a year Aug 08 16:51:02 Then as many as you want Aug 08 16:51:56 PatrickC: Good luck extracting yourself from that deal down the road; they are going to end up extracting way more than $100/year of work out of you, guaranteed Aug 08 16:52:11 I know they will Aug 08 16:52:13 and I don't mind Aug 08 16:52:22 I'm doing it as a favor to the church Aug 08 16:52:41 I think we discussed the whole donation of work with pat Aug 08 16:52:45 and in the process, I gain valuable resources and knowledge that will help me further down the road Aug 08 16:52:53 I bet his father is making him do it Aug 08 16:52:57 :) Aug 08 16:53:00 umm.. no lol Aug 08 16:53:03 I chose to :) Aug 08 16:53:09 Ah, well, we all need to make mistakes when we're young. Live and learn. ;-) Aug 08 16:53:11 Won't even let him connect his laptop to the web Aug 08 16:53:17 they pay the $100, and I get to use apple dev tools Aug 08 16:53:30 ctladvance: my iMac will be on the internet Aug 08 16:53:44 yeah, no way would I learn obj-c and do iOS dev for free Aug 08 16:53:48 let alone a net loss Aug 08 16:54:06 Lol Aug 08 16:54:17 Just do phonegap and deploy te same app on iOS Aug 08 16:54:26 since the opportunity to learn all of it in a risk-free environment this semester has arisen, I'm doing that Aug 08 16:54:27 ctladvance: still need a mac Aug 08 16:54:35 Yep Aug 08 16:54:36 my school has a ton of iOS Dev licenses Aug 08 16:54:41 But not objc Aug 08 16:54:45 IGNTNUNLMTD: I'll take one Aug 08 16:54:49 haha Aug 08 16:54:51 ctladvance: I still want objc Aug 08 16:54:57 PatrickC: http://www.maclife.com/article/create_upgrade_your_imac_to_a_core_2_duo_processor?page=0%2C0 Aug 08 16:54:57 I'll use it later Aug 08 16:55:05 Was talking to ign Aug 08 16:55:18 haha that's where fxspec06 disappeared too :P Aug 08 16:55:24 http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/mac_mini_core_2_duo_swaps.html#storytop Aug 08 16:55:36 why did someone call me? Aug 08 16:56:01 Obj-C is ugly but useful, just like most of Toyota's lineup Aug 08 16:56:10 lol Aug 08 16:56:14 bookmark those two articles, it can be done. and those guys have instructions / walkthroughs on how to do it Aug 08 16:56:26 in case you ever want to upgrade Aug 08 16:56:29 hah, my friend did the Mac Mini swap Aug 08 16:56:36 stole the proc from his work Aug 08 16:57:06 wow some friend u got there. Aug 08 16:57:14 lol Aug 08 16:57:18 haha Aug 08 16:57:24 they never knew the difference Aug 08 16:57:28 :-P Aug 08 16:57:32 it doesn't matter! Aug 08 16:57:39 he's a thief! Aug 08 16:57:55 IGNTNUNLMTD: make sure you check your processors... Aug 08 16:58:16 I don't condone or refute what he did Aug 08 16:58:17 slash conartist slash manipulator slash liar Aug 08 16:58:19 lol Tibfib Aug 08 16:58:31 juuuuuuuuust sayin' Aug 08 16:58:35 IGNTNUNLMTD make sure you check your pants Aug 08 16:58:58 i hate it when my friends steal my pants w/o me knowing Aug 08 16:59:07 Is there any reason why I can't see my testing IAPs on a device with the SDK/Cloud Testing doctor? Aug 08 16:59:07 CORDUROY? I WAS WEARING JEANS THIS MORNING WTFAKJHSAJSGHAJS Aug 08 16:59:37 mmmm.... stolen cpu's///// Aug 08 17:00:13 PatrickC: that mac needs more ram for lion Aug 08 17:00:36 mmm.... ram.... Aug 08 17:00:51 my mac mini needs more ram for lion Aug 08 17:00:54 twbbas: do IAPs go through the app store? Aug 08 17:01:02 Loudergood: if it takes regular DDR2 SDRAM I have some Aug 08 17:01:10 my mini is rocking 6 gigabits Aug 08 17:01:11 ram ram ram. eat more ram Aug 08 17:01:28 halfhalo, that's not much Aug 08 17:01:29 i eat ram for breakfast, lunch, and dinner Aug 08 17:01:40 summatusmentis: You implement them in your app but the user purchases them through a popup dialog that has their app catalog credit card info Aug 08 17:01:47 halfhalo, damn dude your mini is minimini Aug 08 17:01:52 summatusmentis: IAP leverages the profile info, but it doesn't go the the catalog...it's "in app" Aug 08 17:01:55 yeah Aug 08 17:01:56 you rockin a mac micro Aug 08 17:02:05 I don't need more RAM Aug 08 17:02:07 phoque: its handydown ram from other laptop ram upgrades. works well enough Aug 08 17:02:20 I need more HD space :-/ Aug 08 17:02:30 thinking of doing the OptiBay Aug 08 17:02:35 I understand that, but if it's affected by the catalog infrastructure, I would wonder about the SDK/testing doctor being functional Aug 08 17:02:47 so when's apple coming out with this mac nano? i hear it's the size of a chapstick and it floats on water Aug 08 17:02:55 halfhalo-work, I was just mocking you because you said "bit" and not "byte" Aug 08 17:02:58 summatusmentis: The only way to test IAPs that are "in testing" is with the SDK/testing doctor Aug 08 17:03:03 bah Aug 08 17:03:09 * halfhalo-work will bbl Aug 08 17:03:36 it's occured to me to steal ram from my thinkpad... Aug 08 17:03:45 twbbas: I'm just conjecturing, I don't actually know Aug 08 17:05:09 whats the best way to back up every app and patch? Aug 08 17:05:25 saved package list + save/restore Aug 08 17:05:41 PatrickC: would it work even for Internals patches? Aug 08 17:05:54 bah.. I have PC2-4200 not PC2-5300 Aug 08 17:05:58 Ziomatrix: should Aug 08 17:06:53 and PC2-7200 but no 5300 haha Aug 08 17:06:58 PatrickC: how does it back it up, remotely or as a compressed file on the handset? Aug 08 17:07:11 a folder on the handset Aug 08 17:07:59 PatrickC: and if I plan to exchange handsets I can simply copy and paste this folder into the new unit after doctoring it of course. Aug 08 17:09:14 yep Aug 08 17:10:21 summatusmentis, IGNTNUNLMTD, twbbas: you've got mail Aug 08 17:10:24 is there anyone here using lion? Aug 08 17:10:45 PatrickC: I also saw there was also an Emergency script on Preware that supposedly creates a .var file of everything, is that worth doing as well? Aug 08 17:11:21 Ziomatrix: never used it Aug 08 17:11:42 Tibfib: will NomNomNom also support bookmarks? Aug 08 17:11:58 bookmarks? Aug 08 17:12:17 nvm.. forgot it was greader, and not geverything :) Aug 08 17:12:21 google bookmarks Aug 08 17:12:27 PatrickC: also does v2.1 doctor for VZW Pre Plus support Skype and Mobile Hotspot? Aug 08 17:12:38 ? okay Aug 08 17:13:21 Ziomatrix: MHS, yes, Skype no clue Aug 08 17:13:34 Ziomatrix: #webos-internals would be more helpful Aug 08 17:14:15 Ziomatrix: there's not a 2.1 pre _plus_ doctor? Aug 08 17:14:40 Tibfib: SHINY! Aug 08 17:14:45 haha Aug 08 17:15:00 summatusmentis: like it? Aug 08 17:15:19 very much so Aug 08 17:15:58 nice Aug 08 17:16:01 1 thing. When a category drop-down list is open, and then you scroll sideways through the categories, the list hangs until you pick a new category Aug 08 17:16:12 hmmmm Aug 08 17:16:38 by hangs, I mean, stays open, and on top of the scrolling categories Aug 08 17:16:43 it doesn't cause the app to hang Aug 08 17:16:46 summatusmentis: oh, gotcha Aug 08 17:16:49 yeah I see that Aug 08 17:16:52 I'll close it Aug 08 17:17:11 I'd noticed it previously and forgot to mention it Aug 08 17:17:21 Tibfib: whens the next koto update coming out Aug 08 17:17:24 but this is a much smoother experience than previous versions Aug 08 17:17:27 and what you got planned =p Aug 08 17:17:28 fxspec06: dunno Aug 08 17:17:47 I kind of hate mojo, soooooo Aug 08 17:17:51 lol Aug 08 17:18:04 * phil_bw wanders by Aug 08 17:20:18 * fxspec06 hits phil_bw with a 2x4 Aug 08 17:20:32 sorry that was uncalled for Aug 08 17:20:47 Ouch... Aug 08 17:20:55 i was really waiting for PatrickC, but i didn't see it was you Aug 08 17:21:05 Tibfib: That's is friggin' gorgeous Aug 08 17:21:14 IGNTNUNLMTD: :) Aug 08 17:21:16 this WILL be the bestseller in the catalog Aug 08 17:21:21 dan is reallly good Aug 08 17:21:27 I'm pretty happy with him Aug 08 17:21:30 I also like the icon change Aug 08 17:21:30 I am literally blown away by how good this looks and performs Aug 08 17:21:46 it's come so far Aug 08 17:21:48 huh where's the screencap Aug 08 17:21:50 you should be proud Aug 08 17:21:54 thanks man! Aug 08 17:22:08 fxspec06: it should be out soon-ish Aug 08 17:22:17 okayyy =) Aug 08 17:22:20 just waiting for my stinking TouchPad so I can test stuff Aug 08 17:22:28 Tibfib: any chance of re-arrangeable categories in the "home" view? Aug 08 17:22:40 summatusmentis: ummm, maybe Aug 08 17:22:43 this will frontpage on both PreCentral and WOR Aug 08 17:22:46 I guarantee it Aug 08 17:22:46 drag and drop is a pain in the butt Aug 08 17:22:56 Tibfib: I can understand that Aug 08 17:22:58 summatusmentis: but perhaps eventually Aug 08 17:23:07 or at least keep the same order as Google has? Aug 08 17:23:13 summatusmentis: that will come Aug 08 17:23:18 right now it's alphabetical Aug 08 17:23:28 but I'll do that soon Aug 08 17:23:51 by "Most Recent Article" would be a good option to include too Aug 08 17:24:03 hmmm, I think I can do taht Aug 08 17:24:05 that* Aug 08 17:24:17 dunno how useful it would be.. but nevertheless Aug 08 17:24:29 Oh, I read things in reverse order generally Aug 08 17:24:33 what is it? reader Aug 08 17:24:35 but maybe that's just me :-P Aug 08 17:24:37 but Tibfib neat Aug 08 17:24:39 tibfib reader Aug 08 17:24:46 fxspec06: yep Aug 08 17:24:51 NomNomNom for Google Reader Aug 08 17:24:56 tibbyfibby Aug 08 17:24:56 I need to do the app menu Aug 08 17:24:58 hrmmm Aug 08 17:25:07 fxspec06: ? Aug 08 17:25:15 question: can you make the on-device name just "NomNomNom"? Aug 08 17:25:24 idk Aug 08 17:25:35 IGNTNUNLMTD: I believe so Aug 08 17:25:37 good point Aug 08 17:25:52 the new icon, again, is phenomenal Aug 08 17:26:27 I'll let Dan know you guys love it :) Aug 08 17:35:58 so, it seems that my pre shutting down issue is something to do with either CPU usage, or swapping Aug 08 17:36:51 yeah I can pretty reliably make mine reboot by doing certain things in the chroot Aug 08 17:37:10 bbl Aug 08 17:37:10 only when I'm using the unsupported image file method though Aug 08 17:37:19 and it seems to be related to plugging it in? Aug 08 17:37:29 installing jstop next Aug 08 17:38:21 is there an open source advanced browser type project? Aug 08 17:55:40 ugh.. I don't want to pay $60 to update this mac... Aug 08 17:56:00 lol Aug 08 17:56:02 DraX: Universe Aug 08 17:56:07 make a ~$90 app and sell it once Aug 08 17:56:10 eww universe Aug 08 17:56:17 Loudergood: its running 10.4.7 Aug 08 17:56:20 what's wrong with universe? Aug 08 17:56:32 I helped make Universe.. lol Aug 08 17:56:55 how old is 10.4.7? and by youall's experience, is 10.4.7 worth running? Aug 08 17:57:02 is it mojo? Aug 08 17:57:10 yes Aug 08 17:57:15 double eww Aug 08 17:57:18 are there plans to move it to enyo? Aug 08 17:57:23 yes Aug 08 17:57:29 and its not free Aug 08 17:57:31 tripple eww Aug 08 17:57:49 its open source Aug 08 17:59:41 10.4.7 is unusable by modern standards Aug 08 17:59:48 nothing will run on it, PatrickC Aug 08 18:00:02 or at least nothing you'll find useful for what you're doing with it Aug 08 18:00:05 hmm.. Aug 08 18:00:10 Yeah, you're not going to be happy on 10.4 Aug 08 18:00:14 turns out this mac did have 2GB in it.. Aug 08 18:00:20 IGNTNUNLMTD: really? :/ Aug 08 18:00:25 looks like a bad stick of crucial Aug 08 18:00:27 PatrickC: its not in preware Aug 08 18:00:33 I don't think XCode will run on 10.4 Aug 08 18:00:40 10.4.7 is OLD Aug 08 18:00:42 PuffTheMagic: no its not Aug 08 18:00:45 and the new iTunes CERTAINLY will not Aug 08 18:00:46 quad eww Aug 08 18:00:47 I lost my phone, and need to recover my contacts. When I realized that I can't access my backed up data without another webos device, I download the SDK with the hopes the emulator would allow me to sync my data. I'm running the emulator now, and I see it says my default account is "hp webos accout (dr. skipped firstuse)" Is there any way to change this? Aug 08 18:00:48 10.6 is minimum requirement for most software these days, and 10.7 is necessary for latest Xcode Aug 08 18:01:00 10.7 is Lion? Aug 08 18:01:03 yes Aug 08 18:01:06 PatrickC: get it there Aug 08 18:01:06 or maybe I will ;) Aug 08 18:01:20 PuffTheMagic: github Aug 08 18:01:27 but i still woudlnt use it with it not being enyo and all :/ Aug 08 18:01:31 just need to make some patches to the default browser Aug 08 18:01:35 nothing major Aug 08 18:01:48 yeah i think i'll end up going that route too Aug 08 18:01:48 i need to finish my filter patch for the app catalog Aug 08 18:01:49 PatrickC: I have no idea what sort of financs/savings you've got, but honestly if I were you I'd consider getting a Mac Mini or saving up for the new $999 educational iMac instead of a really old iMac Aug 08 18:02:07 what are the specs on that iMac, PatrickC? Aug 08 18:02:21 you ARE probably better off waiting and getting a Mini Aug 08 18:02:35 Details on new educational iMac: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/08/apple-adds-999-215-inch-imac-to-its-educational-offerings.ars Aug 08 18:02:46 ianbeck: I have about $450 and need it before september Aug 08 18:02:50 Or the new air Aug 08 18:02:50 don't you have to be an edu institution to get the edu iMac? Aug 08 18:02:59 IGNTNUNLMTD: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MA590LLA-PB-R&cat=SYS Aug 08 18:03:05 summatusmentis: Not unless they've changed their policies recently Aug 08 18:03:06 summatusmentis: nope Aug 08 18:03:07 Just need to be a student Aug 08 18:03:15 I took advantage of edu discounts when in high school Aug 08 18:03:16 oh, interesting Aug 08 18:03:18 * PatrickC is a home schooler Aug 08 18:03:28 hmmmmmmmm Aug 08 18:03:31 well, yeah, there are edu discounts, and there are educationally targeted products Aug 08 18:03:35 Core 2 Duo is a plus, at least Aug 08 18:03:40 yeah Aug 08 18:03:52 in other words, is there any way to run the first use wizard inside the emulator? Aug 08 18:03:58 and the educational iMac seems to be the latter? Aug 08 18:04:39 summatusmentis: No idea; no longer a student, so I haven't looked into it. :-) Just noticed that in Ars today Aug 08 18:05:32 hrm Aug 08 18:05:56 so, irritating thing in the new "triage" notifications function in 3.0, you can't dismiss a full group Aug 08 18:06:35 I am pretty sure the iMac was for institutions only Aug 08 18:06:46 that's what I thought Aug 08 18:17:55 * PatrickC doesn't know if he wants to get this iMac now.. Aug 08 18:19:09 fxspec06: ping Aug 08 18:19:34 PatrickC: dont get an imac Aug 08 18:19:59 cwayne: why? Aug 08 18:20:07 apple == evil Aug 08 18:20:17 I need a mac.. Aug 08 18:20:22 iOS dev Aug 08 18:21:52 PatrickC: i dev iOs 40 hours a week Aug 08 18:21:57 i dont own a mac Aug 08 18:22:06 hotdp: you use hackintosh? Aug 08 18:22:12 nopes Aug 08 18:22:18 I develop in the browser Aug 08 18:22:26 how do you package? Aug 08 18:22:33 and the last 1% (deployement) i go to a mac Aug 08 18:22:34 and don't say enyo Aug 08 18:22:43 Help again with CMD Aug 08 18:22:52 I use js framework, its not natice xcode Aug 08 18:23:06 how do you package? Aug 08 18:23:10 I make my package and I get Make Error 127, Can't find Palm-Package Aug 08 18:23:19 What's happening? Aug 08 18:24:57 PatrickC: cáre you coing native? Aug 08 18:24:59 palm-package isn't found Aug 08 18:25:06 In windows cmd Aug 08 18:25:19 hotdp: I'm taking an Objc course in september Aug 08 18:25:58 hello? Aug 08 18:26:13 i see Aug 08 18:26:15 i am sorry Aug 08 18:26:18 on your behalf Aug 08 18:26:22 Gl and HF **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 18:30:38 2011 Aug 08 18:30:49 hello? Aug 08 18:31:30 siestacat_comput: in IRC, accepted practice is to not respond if you don't know the answer Aug 08 18:32:03 yeah, id help but i dont know shit about windows Aug 08 18:32:04 lol Aug 08 18:32:43 lol Aug 08 18:33:41 objc, bleh Aug 08 18:33:56 though i've only ever done gnustep stuff Aug 08 18:34:13 and before objc 2.0 existed Aug 08 18:34:57 siestacat_comput: You need to make sure that the palm die is in system path Aug 08 18:35:06 Die to dir Aug 08 18:35:09 die palm die Aug 08 18:35:16 summatusmentis : I know that, I just need an answer fairly soon Aug 08 18:35:17 Drip Aug 08 18:35:31 ctladvance : I tried what you said last night Aug 08 18:35:35 I just answered it Aug 08 18:35:37 The Palm dir is in the system path Aug 08 18:36:00 Did u update recently, confirm the die an restart Aug 08 18:36:05 Die to dir Aug 08 18:36:11 die to dir? Aug 08 18:36:13 huh? Aug 08 18:36:15 Damn auto correct Aug 08 18:36:32 I just fixed the directory Aug 08 18:36:35 I guess I'll restart Aug 08 18:36:36 I said die instead of dir Aug 08 18:36:42 Yep Aug 08 18:36:52 System path changes usually few a restart Aug 08 18:36:59 Woop woop Aug 08 18:36:59 Require Aug 08 18:37:42 ok Aug 08 18:37:47 I'll be right back then... Aug 08 18:38:34 mac mini for $569.99 with an i5, 2GB ram, and 500gb hdd Aug 08 18:38:37 good deal? Aug 08 18:39:10 Yes. Aug 08 18:39:13 Very. Aug 08 18:39:14 You'll likely want to boost the RAM down the road, but never buy RAM from Apple; do you have a monitor that will work with it? Aug 08 18:39:29 IGNTNUNLMTD: really? Aug 08 18:39:33 The monitor + possible conversion cables for it are the biggest extra cost for Minis usually Aug 08 18:39:43 IGNTNUNLMTD: very is strong, thats a $30 savings from the brand ndew ones Aug 08 18:39:48 new* Aug 08 18:40:08 I use an hdmi to tv for my mini at home Aug 08 18:40:10 Works well Aug 08 18:40:10 IGNTNUNLMTD: http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=2658068&pid=1218343212620&catId=&ev=prodView Aug 08 18:40:38 PatrickC, I'd suggest a more recent mac mini over that refurbished iMac any day Aug 08 18:40:47 ianbeck: yeah... I bought thru Apple's supplier for like 16% Aug 08 18:41:07 Good price on that mini Aug 08 18:41:08 does the mini come with a standard rgb out? Aug 08 18:41:16 Hdmi out Aug 08 18:41:22 mini displayport, right? Aug 08 18:41:26 heh.... rgb.... Aug 08 18:41:27 You need adapter for anything else Aug 08 18:41:55 yeah, but adapters for HDMI, DisplayPort and DVI are all passive Aug 08 18:42:00 read: very cheap Aug 08 18:42:03 PatrickC: RE: Mac mini: No Aug 08 18:42:05 Is the in-app item server down right now? Aug 08 18:42:06 Oh maybe mini display but def has hdmi out Aug 08 18:42:10 kesne: why? Aug 08 18:42:10 96 cents on amazon Aug 08 18:42:24 PatrickC: Mac mini's are really lame Aug 08 18:42:30 * halfhalo-work hearts his mini Aug 08 18:42:35 but cheaper then iMac Aug 08 18:42:45 He needs cost effective not lame or cool Aug 08 18:42:53 yes Aug 08 18:42:55 Get a macbook air Aug 08 18:43:02 too expensive Aug 08 18:43:05 MacBook air is lame Aug 08 18:43:12 The new generation isn't Aug 08 18:43:13 ;-) Aug 08 18:43:14 agreed Aug 08 18:43:16 PatrickC, do you have a proper monitor laying around? Aug 08 18:43:24 kesne: under $600 please Aug 08 18:43:25 Why not just get a cheap windows box? Aug 08 18:43:34 kesne, because he wants to do iOS development Aug 08 18:43:35 For $600, get a windows machine. Aug 08 18:43:37 phoque: define proper Aug 08 18:43:41 or a hackintosh Aug 08 18:43:51 kesne: iOS dev Aug 08 18:43:53 If PatrickC does iOS development, god help us all. Aug 08 18:43:56 PatrickC, not a CRT, more than 19" in size Aug 08 18:43:57 ips or gtfo Aug 08 18:44:01 Hackintosh doesn't work Aug 08 18:44:04 phoque: yes Aug 08 18:44:04 halfhalo-work, heh, yeah Aug 08 18:44:12 PatrickC, then please get a mac mini Aug 08 18:44:25 17" iMac will make you go crazy within a few days Aug 08 18:44:27 Machine at this price is great Aug 08 18:44:29 +1 Aug 08 18:44:37 phoque: why would it? Aug 08 18:44:45 I have a 27" iMac. Aug 08 18:44:48 That's what you want Aug 08 18:44:49 * PatrickC kinda likes the "all in one" Aug 08 18:44:54 because there isnt enough room for the code editor and your emulator etc Aug 08 18:44:54 kesne: I do Aug 08 18:44:56 Infact I may order another Aug 08 18:45:02 but don't have enough money Aug 08 18:45:09 PatrickC: Then get enough money Aug 08 18:45:12 Don't rush things. Aug 08 18:45:15 * halfhalo-work has two monitors. boom. Aug 08 18:45:20 boom roasted Aug 08 18:45:34 kesne: need it before the end of september Aug 08 18:45:38 halfhalo-work, I'd love that. I cant afford the extra monitor though Aug 08 18:45:39 that's when my class starts Aug 08 18:45:40 kesne: "get enough money" is not an easy thing to do for a high school aged person Aug 08 18:45:48 ctladvance: Just restarted, still can't find palm-package in cmd Aug 08 18:45:50 and that ^ :) Aug 08 18:45:52 summatusmentis: I'm high-school aged. Aug 08 18:45:53 :P Aug 08 18:46:01 phoque: get a cheapo second one. Aug 08 18:46:02 PatrickC: Why before the end of september? Aug 08 18:46:06 halfhalo-work, naaahhhh Aug 08 18:46:07 never Aug 08 18:46:08 :-) Aug 08 18:46:10 that's when my class starts Aug 08 18:46:14 kesne: heh, ok, fair enough Aug 08 18:46:32 halfhalo-work, what monitor do you have? Aug 08 18:46:35 PatrickC: Release some cheap app that everybody wants, make money Aug 08 18:46:40 That's what I do Aug 08 18:46:46 kesne: I'm making them Aug 08 18:46:56 but working on a 11 year old laptop isn't fun Aug 08 18:46:57 He's diving for free Aug 08 18:47:00 at work some ips hp, at home some ips dell and my single non ips samsung. which is worth it. Aug 08 18:47:02 Dev Aug 08 18:47:05 128MB of ram Aug 08 18:47:10 hurts Aug 08 18:47:23 ctladvance: only that app Aug 08 18:47:32 the rest of *mine* I'll charge for :) Aug 08 18:47:38 :) Aug 08 18:47:43 that VKB should bring some monies :) Aug 08 18:47:44 1/64th what I've got... could not imagine PatrickC Aug 08 18:47:52 PatrickC: Ask your parents for a loan. Aug 08 18:47:55 * halfhalo-work hearts his 2048x1152 monitor Aug 08 18:48:03 that's a lot of pixels Aug 08 18:48:05 nice :-) Aug 08 18:48:05 they are already gonna help me get this one Aug 08 18:48:10 1600x900 Aug 08 18:48:11 * IGNTNUNLMTD asked parents for loans a lot Aug 08 18:48:12 * Tibfib_ has one 15" monitor Aug 08 18:48:19 big whoop Aug 08 18:48:22 halfhalo-work, I have a HP IPS too and I absolutely love it Aug 08 18:48:35 Tibfib: I have on 13" monitor, attached to my macbook :) Aug 08 18:49:08 I have an Acer 24"... so many issues. :-( Aug 08 18:49:21 * kesne got his 15" macbook pro on a loan from his parents Aug 08 18:49:39 kesne: they don't have $1000 to loan me Aug 08 18:49:39 * Tibfib doesn't get anything from his parents Aug 08 18:49:43 ctladvance : So palm's directory is in my system path now, restart and still nothing. I fixed it in cygwin, but it's not working in cmd Aug 08 18:49:50 * cwayne got his 14" t420s like an adult Aug 08 18:49:54 I got my car on loan and am thisclose to paying it off Aug 08 18:49:56 Tibfib: I'm sorry that they don't love you. Aug 08 18:50:08 kesne: or they don't want me to be a spoiiled brat Aug 08 18:50:10 * halfhalo-work has T400 with the fancy screen Aug 08 18:50:14 Aug 08 18:50:16 Haha Aug 08 18:50:19 lol Aug 08 18:50:25 Tibfib: I've paid off all of my loans Aug 08 18:50:33 With interest, I'll add. Aug 08 18:50:45 kesne: well what kind of loan would it be without interest Aug 08 18:50:48 ah, my folks were nice about no interest Aug 08 18:50:52 lol Aug 08 18:50:53 I'm seriously considering going ThinkPad for my next computer Aug 08 18:51:03 kesne: nice Aug 08 18:51:05 summatusmentis: i did, and im pretty happy about it Aug 08 18:51:09 That machine will be a good system for the money pat Aug 08 18:51:11 summatusmentis: ThinkPads are really nice Aug 08 18:51:16 honestly, my parents don't have the money to loan me, even if they wanted to Aug 08 18:51:17 cwayne: where were you coming from? Aug 08 18:51:20 dell Aug 08 18:51:24 they can be used as a weapon! Aug 08 18:51:30 ctladvance: that is good Aug 08 18:51:31 Haha, Dell.... Aug 08 18:51:31 ah, see, I'd be coming from macbook Aug 08 18:51:33 and considering the less than enormous money I'm making from webOS dev... Aug 08 18:51:36 I'll show it to my mom today Aug 08 18:51:46 and I'm trying to weigh options between another mac, or a thinkpad Aug 08 18:51:51 webOS dev's don't make money :0 Aug 08 18:51:52 or a tower of some sort Aug 08 18:52:00 siestacat_comput: You beat me to it Aug 08 18:52:01 if money was no option, I'd go macbook air 15inch Aug 08 18:52:03 yks Aug 08 18:52:08 kesne : :) rofl Aug 08 18:52:10 I am wondering if webos will replace the default windows 8 html5 front end Aug 08 18:52:12 I have a thinkpad, a mac, and tower. now its time for mac laptop. Aug 08 18:52:15 TibFib... Nom will sell. Well. Aug 08 18:52:15 Tibfib: MBA doesn't have a 15" Aug 08 18:52:16 siestacat_comput, mobile app devs in general dont make any money Aug 08 18:52:27 summatusmentis: aww Aug 08 18:52:32 phoque : yeah, sarcasm Aug 08 18:52:34 then perhaps I'd go mbp Aug 08 18:52:36 implied Aug 08 18:52:37 For HP laptops and tablets Aug 08 18:52:39 * halfhalo-work is getting a 13" air soon enough Aug 08 18:52:44 IGNTNUNLMTD: it'll seel well to the 200 touchpad owners Aug 08 18:52:47 ctladvance, nope Aug 08 18:52:49 halfhalo-work: I approve. Aug 08 18:52:53 s/seel/sell/ Aug 08 18:53:00 if money was no option, i'd go mac pro 16 core 5.0ghz 32gb ram 1pb Aug 08 18:53:02 That would be a no briainer Aug 08 18:53:02 Tibfib: a bunch of people just bought TPs Aug 08 18:53:04 custom build a tower Aug 08 18:53:06 ssd* Aug 08 18:53:06 I hate apples Aug 08 18:53:11 Tibfib: There are a lot of TP users Aug 08 18:53:11 ESP if they want it on pc Aug 08 18:53:12 too proprietary Aug 08 18:53:13 or i'd just buy watson Aug 08 18:53:19 kesne: true true Aug 08 18:53:19 Tibfib: Well, a lot buying Aug 08 18:53:20 rofl watson Aug 08 18:53:23 I'm being a pessimist Aug 08 18:53:33 Tibfib: I figured :P Aug 08 18:53:35 but honestly, I don't expect a lot of money from webOS for a while. Aug 08 18:53:37 oh by the way Aug 08 18:53:39 Touchpad @ staples was only $300 Aug 08 18:53:39 the real question becomes if I can use my TP as a mobile compute well enough so that I could remotely login to my tower Aug 08 18:53:44 are there any sales numbers out? Aug 08 18:53:44 If you release an app this week, you can make serious bank Aug 08 18:53:47 of the TP Aug 08 18:53:48 Develop with phonegap Aug 08 18:53:51 Thanks to the $50 credit Aug 08 18:53:55 oh true Aug 08 18:53:56 wait.. ctladvance does the mac mini have a cd/dvd drive?! Aug 08 18:53:59 yeah Aug 08 18:54:01 Phoque 200 units Aug 08 18:54:05 PatrickC: Nope Aug 08 18:54:07 No it does not Aug 08 18:54:10 I wonder if I should submit NomNomNom now Aug 08 18:54:10 but I still can't compile :( Aug 08 18:54:11 crap Aug 08 18:54:11 hah. Aug 08 18:54:13 that's out Aug 08 18:54:17 Is it any easier on linux? Aug 08 18:54:19 Why Aug 08 18:54:22 first impression is the most important Aug 08 18:54:26 PatrickC, the older ones do Aug 08 18:54:27 What do u née it for Aug 08 18:54:27 I'll need a cd/dvd drive Aug 08 18:54:29 I haven't used a cd drive in probably 2 years Aug 08 18:54:35 kesne: I'm planning to use part of my $50 credit on FlashCards HD Aug 08 18:54:39 Is compiling any easier on linux? Aug 08 18:54:39 and seriously, what for? Aug 08 18:54:39 ctladvance: I have 10 gb of cds Aug 08 18:54:43 TibFib: wait until it's done Aug 08 18:54:46 Of what Aug 08 18:54:50 music Aug 08 18:54:53 or videos Aug 08 18:54:54 summatusmentis: Use part of it for Camera for Touchpad! Aug 08 18:54:55 IGNTNUNLMTD: yeah Aug 08 18:54:58 PatrickC: If you're measuring in GB, they aren't CDs anymore :-P Aug 08 18:55:02 haha Aug 08 18:55:03 IGNTNUNLMTD: what do you think is most important? Aug 08 18:55:04 PatrickC, so you mean... 20 of them instead of an external harddrive? Aug 08 18:55:06 kesne: :) Aug 08 18:55:10 PatrickC: Throw em in the cloud. Aug 08 18:55:20 Now? optimization. Aug 08 18:55:24 ianbeck: oh, fyi, nomnomnom got a major update if you want to try it out Aug 08 18:55:25 All of my music is in the cloud. Aug 08 18:55:32 kesne: I don't have a cloud with that much storage Aug 08 18:55:33 Well, actually, now I use spotify for errything Aug 08 18:55:38 the CLOOOOUUUDDDDDD Aug 08 18:55:42 PatrickC: Box w/ 50gb Aug 08 18:55:52 kesne: I need a tp first Aug 08 18:55:52 spotify ftw Aug 08 18:55:52 maybe add some sharing features Tibfib Aug 08 18:55:56 * halfhalo-work has a cloud with all the music's Aug 08 18:55:58 IGNTNUNLMTD: they're there Aug 08 18:56:11 sms, spaz, email Aug 08 18:56:12 Tibfib: Will do Aug 08 18:56:15 I have a server you can use until you get one. Tada. Aug 08 18:56:31 Even then box sucks unless u buy the business plan Aug 08 18:56:34 ah woah, I missed those! Aug 08 18:56:36 kesne: I might take you up on that depending on when I get the mac Aug 08 18:56:46 IGNTNUNLMTD: I need to improve the icons a bit Aug 08 18:56:50 Tibfib: Incidentally, what license are you releasing it under? Thinking of forking it and doing a massive change on the article detail interface logic to fit my personal workflow better Aug 08 18:56:55 PatrickC, just get an external harddrive for a few bucks Aug 08 18:56:56 PatrickC: I have 2TB, so you'll be fine if you go that route Aug 08 18:56:56 eh, I like em Aug 08 18:57:03 ianbeck: GPL probably Aug 08 18:57:27 phoque: ah, I do have a 1tb external hdd... forgot about that Aug 08 18:57:28 * halfhalo-work has unlimited gigabits for music. its called zunepass Aug 08 18:57:40 * PatrickC doesn't have a sune Aug 08 18:57:40 ianbeck: what were you wanting for the article detail thing? Aug 08 18:57:43 zune* Aug 08 18:57:50 PatrickC, copy all your CD stuff and get rid of them Aug 08 18:57:56 ianbeck: I mean if it's a good thing, I can do it myself Aug 08 18:57:57 Tibfib, have you thought about pricing? Aug 08 18:58:03 or of course, you can do it and submit a pull request Aug 08 18:58:09 and just remembered all the music is on my desktop's hdd.. Aug 08 18:58:11 IGNTNUNLMTD: $2.99 - $4.99 Aug 08 18:58:15 no cds anymore.. heh.. Aug 08 18:58:18 Tibfib: view all feeds in a folder in one list, and I hate the big, unscrollable view you get for articles before you tap it a second time Aug 08 18:58:19 probably 3.99 for the first week Aug 08 18:58:27 Tibfib: I'd be changing more stuff than you'd probably want to pull in :-) Aug 08 18:58:39 Best setup for easy programming on webos? Aug 08 18:58:40 I think you could easily get away with 4.99 Aug 08 18:58:43 Aptna? Aug 08 18:58:47 Or PhoneGap? Aug 08 18:58:48 ianbeck: the mini-view has a horizontal scroller Aug 08 18:58:49 Or What? Aug 08 18:58:52 for something that polished Aug 08 18:59:00 ianbeck: oh wait, I'm confused Aug 08 18:59:06 Tibfib: It's seeing what looks like the article text and being unable to scroll it that I don't like Aug 08 18:59:09 IGNTNUNLMTD: I think that's what I'm planning on Aug 08 18:59:16 Tibfib: That UI approach just doesn't work well for how I consume feeds Aug 08 18:59:17 good. Aug 08 18:59:21 ianbeck: oh on the cards? Aug 08 18:59:25 Tibfib: Yeah Aug 08 18:59:28 ianbeck: gotcha Aug 08 18:59:31 I could make that scroll Aug 08 18:59:34 hmmm Aug 08 18:59:48 ianbeck: I love seeing the beginning of stuff and deciding whether I want to read it all.. Aug 08 18:59:52 to each their own I guess Aug 08 19:00:04 Tibfib: I'd still probably want something different; I prefer to skim headlines, and then get the full info when I decide to read it. Personal preference Aug 08 19:00:13 ah, yeah Aug 08 19:00:20 well in that case man, go TouchFeeds or something like that Aug 08 19:00:21 ;0 Aug 08 19:00:28 s/;0/;)/ Aug 08 19:00:34 Heh, yeah tried that, too Aug 08 19:00:39 Tibfib: I kinda want vertical scrolling on cards too Aug 08 19:00:46 I'll look into that Aug 08 19:00:53 Tibfib: It's handy if it's a short article but just long enough to go over the card length Aug 08 19:00:54 I kind of remove the formatting when I make the preview Aug 08 19:00:56 Tibfib: Much prefer NomNomNom's minimal interface, hence thinking about forking it Aug 08 19:01:07 ianbeck: go for it man Aug 08 19:01:37 Tibfib: Have you looked into configurable colors for feeds? Aug 08 19:01:46 colors? Aug 08 19:01:55 for the folder icon thing? Aug 08 19:01:59 The new brown headers make the feed name pop more than before but I'd like them to be different for each feed Aug 08 19:02:01 not folder, more like a drawer Aug 08 19:02:04 ah Aug 08 19:02:06 maybe. Aug 08 19:02:06 on the cards Aug 08 19:02:12 good idea Aug 08 19:02:14 Tibfib: Not if it's likely to be GPL; happy to fork and send back improvements that aren't revolutionary, but I dislike GPL's viralness Aug 08 19:02:18 A lot of the Engadget/BGR stuff I don't want to read the whole article Aug 08 19:02:20 I don't know how I feel about scrollable cards Aug 08 19:02:24 but Precentral/WOR I do want to read Aug 08 19:02:31 ianbeck: what license would you like the best? Aug 08 19:02:36 summatusmentis: I consume my feeds a lot faster with them Aug 08 19:02:47 summatusmentis: options ftw?> Aug 08 19:02:54 Tibfib: I mean, sure Aug 08 19:02:55 Tibfib: My favorites are the more flexible ones; MIT, LGPL, etc. Aug 08 19:03:29 I guess I read through headlines, if it interests me, maybe I'll start reading the blurb on the cards, but if I wanna read the whole thing, I like the slide-in pane Aug 08 19:03:42 ianbeck: hrmmmm Aug 08 19:04:11 Tibfib: Up to you, though; lots of people like GPL for whatever reason :-) Aug 08 19:04:20 it Aug 08 19:04:24 it's "easy" Aug 08 19:04:27 I like that people can't take my code and modify it and keep it to theirselves Aug 08 19:04:34 for GPL Aug 08 19:04:40 Tibfib: I may end up writing my own darn RSS reader eventually anyway simply because none of the options out there are quite focused on the things that I value Aug 08 19:04:47 ianbeck: sure Aug 08 19:04:54 the google-reader library is there Aug 08 19:04:57 pretty easy to use Aug 08 19:05:06 not greeaaat. it would look better if I started now Aug 08 19:05:14 after understanding the api Aug 08 19:05:43 http://www.beatweek.com/news/8910-doa-hp-touchpad-dies-webos-death-before-apples-lawyers-can-kill-it/ - This should get you guys riled up :) Aug 08 19:06:01 Guys : Regular Mojo Through Eclipse or Aptna? Aug 08 19:06:30 siestacat_comput: enyo Aug 08 19:06:43 I'm compiling for 1.4.5.1 Aug 08 19:06:49 what's enyo? Aug 08 19:07:02 Tibfib : enyo is new, isn't it? Aug 08 19:07:05 yes Aug 08 19:07:11 enyo is mostly for the TouchPad Aug 08 19:07:12 So not on 1.4.5.1? Aug 08 19:07:18 but will in the future be fore phones Aug 08 19:07:22 siestacat_comput: not on 1.4.5 Aug 08 19:07:23 That's all I'm interested in Aug 08 19:07:26 1.4.5.1 Aug 08 19:07:40 siestacat_comput, you'll need Mojo for 1.4.5 Aug 08 19:07:49 Enyo is 3.0 only Aug 08 19:07:57 I can't use aptna? Aug 08 19:08:00 and 2.2 Aug 08 19:08:01 or 2.3 Aug 08 19:08:12 dunno Aug 08 19:08:12 twbbas, that's still under NDA though :-D Aug 08 19:08:20 my source is Precentrla Aug 08 19:08:24 y Aug 08 19:08:27 I see Aug 08 19:08:33 hmmm scrolling in cards could be awesome Aug 08 19:08:35 (damn keyboard, I keep on mistyping) Aug 08 19:08:44 no aptna? Aug 08 19:08:47 Guys? Aug 08 19:08:54 siestacat_comput, patience Aug 08 19:08:54 Mojo it is Aug 08 19:09:40 siestacat_comput, Google brought up http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Tools Aug 08 19:10:17 phoque : rofl Aug 08 19:10:22 I've spent days setting this all up Aug 08 19:10:32 haven't written even 1 line of code Aug 08 19:12:07 and one quick question Aug 08 19:12:19 Will the latest SDK support 1.4.5.1? Aug 08 19:12:25 I'm using 1.4.5.1 SDk Aug 08 19:12:32 And It's Crapp Aug 08 19:14:54 Any good aptna and mojo tutorials out there? Aug 08 19:15:43 siestacat_comput, you can use the 3.0.0 SDK with a 1.4.5 image for the virtual machine Aug 08 19:16:06 phoque : and where can I get a 1.4.5 image? Aug 08 19:16:09 dont know what you mean by it being crap Aug 08 19:16:21 somewhere on the forum I think Aug 08 19:16:25 I can't get it to functin Aug 08 19:16:35 hm Aug 08 19:16:51 youre on windows, right? Aug 08 19:16:52 So I'll use a new sdk with the old image Aug 08 19:16:54 Yeah, windows Aug 08 19:16:55 Is cygwin really necessary? Aug 08 19:16:56 7 Aug 08 19:16:58 No Aug 08 19:17:00 I'm not using it now Aug 08 19:17:03 ok Aug 08 19:17:05 but CMD wasn't being smart Aug 08 19:17:15 Couldn't detect Java Aug 08 19:17:18 oh Aug 08 19:17:41 Eclipse doesn't even deal with CMD, does it? Aug 08 19:17:45 I was attempting phonegap Aug 08 19:18:04 no idea about Windows, CMD, Eclipse or phonegap Aug 08 19:18:05 :-D Aug 08 19:18:20 I used to use it for a few days under Windows and I remember it as running fine Aug 08 19:21:31 any regex masters? why doesn't this work? \s?{2,} Aug 08 19:21:42 I'm trying to get two or more breaks Aug 08 19:22:12 why the extra \s? Aug 08 19:22:26 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#c39896 Aug 08 19:22:34 sugardave: just in case there is a space Aug 08 19:22:42 or more Aug 08 19:22:53 is anyone currently on Lion? Aug 08 19:22:56 Tibfib: I'd use (?:\s*){2,} Aug 08 19:22:57 Tibfib, try \(\s{2,})? Aug 08 19:22:59 so you want to match


Aug 08 19:23:01 ? Aug 08 19:23:04 yep Aug 08 19:23:27 not sure about \< and \> though Aug 08 19:23:30 look at all that fancy shit I don't understand Aug 08 19:23:31 is an event raised when you app is put in card view? Aug 08 19:23:41 akanster, yes Aug 08 19:23:43 akanster: deactivate Aug 08 19:23:57 was the issue with {2,} trying to check for multiple white space? Aug 08 19:24:04 s/white// Aug 08 19:24:07 for enyo, an applicationevents object needs to listen for onWindowDeactivated Aug 08 19:24:08 {2,} wasn't doing anything Aug 08 19:24:12 why? Aug 08 19:24:17 oh Aug 08 19:24:18 yeah Aug 08 19:24:18 If you wanted it only for the space you'd do \s{2,} Aug 08 19:24:19 Tibfib: Aug 08 19:24:22 ianbeck: I believe, you. I don't know why though :) Aug 08 19:24:37 The ? was marking the space as optional already Aug 08 19:24:47 [\s?]{2,} Aug 08 19:25:00 ? has to follow a parenthesis, right? Aug 08 19:25:04 Character class won't work; you need a grouping Aug 08 19:25:07 phoque: No Aug 08 19:25:10 ianbeck: ahhh Aug 08 19:25:12 It can follow any character Aug 08 19:25:12 gotcha Aug 08 19:25:13 er () Aug 08 19:25:14 and {...} has immediately to follow a character clas Aug 08 19:25:28 oh, hmm Aug 08 19:25:29 ianbeck, ok Aug 08 19:25:32 phoque: Not necessarily; it should work for repeating groups, too Aug 08 19:25:33 I thought it was any match Aug 08 19:25:48 regexs are irritating Aug 08 19:25:51 ianbeck, classes and groups then Aug 08 19:25:56 but not a ? Aug 08 19:26:13 Repeating a ? is non-sensical from the regex parser's standpoint Aug 08 19:26:23 Because it is modifying the previous character Aug 08 19:26:36 thanks sugardave, phoque Aug 08 19:26:44 If someone has in-app items in their app, can they test it? I'm curious as to if the in-app payment servers are down. Aug 08 19:26:50 okay got it Aug 08 19:26:55 thanks ianbeck, phoque, sugardave Aug 08 19:27:36 Tibfib: Assuming you're working in Javascript, make sure to use a non-captured group if you are repeating the whole group: (?:) Aug 08 19:27:44 Otherwise, it will probably just fail silently Aug 08 19:27:57 Run into that all the time when I forget and try to repeat or mark a group as optional Aug 08 19:28:05 ianbeck: ah, thanks Aug 08 19:28:58 sweet, so if feed cards can scroll, would you want the other pictures to appear in it? Aug 08 19:29:11 because right now I remove all images but the first to save on rendering Aug 08 19:29:31 I like images Aug 08 19:29:37 I follow a lot of photo blogs Aug 08 19:29:50 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Aug 08 19:30:03 maybe a preferences option? Aug 08 19:31:41 I'm going to allow the card to scroll by default, but I am not going to load any additional images Aug 08 19:31:53 in the future I may make an option for the images Aug 08 19:31:59 b'aww Aug 08 19:32:00 but the feedcard's intentions are for previews Aug 08 19:32:18 I'll see how peeps feel Aug 08 19:32:50 I agree the intention is previews, that makes sense to me Aug 08 19:33:12 ianbeck: I think you started that scrolling idea Aug 08 19:33:12 nice Aug 08 19:33:35 I was dumb and was basing that lack of a feature on newsroom Aug 08 19:33:47 but in nomnomnom, scrolling down doesn't open the article view Aug 08 19:33:52 IGNTNUNLMTD: what's that thing called to allow a mac to use a regular monitor? Aug 08 19:34:23 a port? Aug 08 19:34:25 an adapter Aug 08 19:34:35 what kind... Aug 08 19:34:47 well, if there were some kind of "search engine" Aug 08 19:34:58 I would imagine I would search for: mac to pc monitor adatper Aug 08 19:35:00 adapter Aug 08 19:35:03 or something like that Aug 08 19:35:20 I did Aug 08 19:35:27 le tme guess Aug 08 19:35:28 sugardave: are you talking about AOL? Aug 08 19:35:31 you didn't find anything Aug 08 19:35:32 he said something about there being one for like under $1 Aug 08 19:35:44 I couldn't find one for under $1 Aug 08 19:37:24 PatrickC: I got a Mini Display to DVI for under a buck on Amazon like a year ago Aug 08 19:37:31 it even came in an Apple branded bag Aug 08 19:37:33 <3 China Aug 08 19:37:36 :-D Aug 08 19:37:40 haha Aug 08 19:38:10 just as good as the Apple fo' real one, cost less than 1/30th the cost Aug 08 19:38:26 is this a good deal? http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Mac-Mini-MC270LL-Desktop/dp/B0013FK9U2/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1312832180&sr=1-4 Aug 08 19:39:49 it's exactly MSRP, lol Aug 08 19:40:02 might as well buy straight from Apple's site Aug 08 19:40:08 they have a nicer design :-P Aug 08 19:40:17 it's even being sold by Apple Aug 08 19:40:19 not really, that one has a 2.4GHz proc. and a dvd drive built in. Aug 08 19:40:27 PatrickC: reading is fun and educational Aug 08 19:41:09 PatrickC: Why a mac? You could get a nice PC laptop for the price of a mac mini. Aug 08 19:41:10 oh the irony, I misread Aug 08 19:41:12 nevermind Aug 08 19:41:21 twbbas: iOS dev Aug 08 19:41:28 ah. Aug 08 19:41:42 he's taking a class to learn Obj-C, needs a mac by the end of sept, can't afford a full-on imac Aug 08 19:41:49 can we just put that in the topic? Aug 08 19:42:05 haha Aug 08 19:42:18 * PatrickC likes this one http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Mac-Mini-MC270LL-Desktop/dp/B0013FK9U2/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1312832180&sr=1-4 better then the regular mac mini Aug 08 19:42:21 that's like the 5000000000th time someone has asked that Aug 08 19:42:42 PatrickC: for what reason? dvd drive? Aug 08 19:42:51 and faster proc. Aug 08 19:42:56 2.4GHz dual core Aug 08 19:43:01 wait, faster proc? Aug 08 19:43:06 yeah Aug 08 19:43:12 the other is a 2.2GHz iirc Aug 08 19:43:18 s/other/new one/ Aug 08 19:43:19 doesn't mean it is faster Aug 08 19:43:25 2.2 vs 2.4 = you won't see the difference Aug 08 19:43:30 guaranteed Aug 08 19:43:33 somehow I doubt that the the new ones are 2.3ghz Aug 08 19:43:37 but mainly the dvd drive lol Aug 08 19:43:40 wait Aug 08 19:43:42 no Aug 08 19:43:45 I'm getting rid of my MBP's dvd drive Aug 08 19:43:47 the new ones are 2.3ghz Aug 08 19:44:02 I should stop typing something and leaving it sit before I check the facts Aug 08 19:44:09 lol Aug 08 19:44:10 replacing it with, you know, a useful storage medium Aug 08 19:44:23 moving parts are so 2008 Aug 08 19:44:35 the last time I used my dvd drive was to rip CDs Aug 08 19:44:39 heh Aug 08 19:44:45 haven't used this one in YEARS Aug 08 19:44:48 er, EVER Aug 08 19:44:51 on this MBP Aug 08 19:44:53 wow Aug 08 19:44:53 it's easily been a year though Aug 08 19:44:53 I rip cds all the time Aug 08 19:45:42 music thief, for shame Aug 08 19:45:51 lol.. yeah.. Aug 08 19:45:57 I make cds for my church sometimes Aug 08 19:46:21 wow, and bringing down the church to your illegal activities...double for shame Aug 08 19:46:54 haha, 3 webOS devices just went nuts telling me about my next meeting Aug 08 19:47:11 that's one thing I wish webOS would figure out a way to implement Aug 08 19:47:14 unified notificatins Aug 08 19:47:19 notifications* Aug 08 19:47:33 I'm tired of being notified of email on my TP, and then 5 minutes later on my pre Aug 08 19:47:48 so, get on it sugardave Aug 08 19:48:12 as soon as I'm done ironing this elephant... Aug 08 19:48:24 ANIMAL ABUSE Aug 08 19:48:33 heh Aug 08 19:48:35 I'm calling PETA Aug 08 19:48:47 that'll end that quickly :) Aug 08 19:49:29 B&H has that mac for $539 with parallels included Aug 08 19:49:36 lol sugardave re: church + illegal music Aug 08 19:50:32 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/706450-REG/Apple_MC270LL_A_Mac_mini_Desktop_Computer.html Aug 08 19:51:03 I still wouldn't dare get one with a disk drive Aug 08 19:51:30 IGNTNUNLMTD: the one from B&H is cheaper.. that's what I need.. cheap Aug 08 19:51:41 summatusmentis: I get notified of a mention on twitter through Google Voice extension on computer, text to my phone, a PM on IRC, and Spaz HD's notifications. It's pretty funny. Aug 08 19:52:26 twbbas: PM on IRC is pretty cool Aug 08 19:52:29 how do you set that up? Aug 08 19:52:38 twbbas: christ, that's ridiculous. Aug 08 19:52:39 I use a ZNC bouncer that has a twitter module Aug 08 19:52:44 I can tweet from it too Aug 08 19:52:50 * Tibfib has ZNC Aug 08 19:52:56 Load up the twitter module Aug 08 19:52:59 now, do me fair, bitlbee shows a mention on twitter as a nick hilight in irssi :) Aug 08 19:53:02 and B&H has no tax + free shipping Aug 08 19:53:09 its settled.. I'm going B&H Aug 08 19:53:27 summatusmentis: Well google voice extension on chrome shows me my texts so that part is really a side-effect of text to my phone ;) Aug 08 19:54:03 twbbas: :) Aug 08 19:54:17 Tibfib: http://wiki.znc.in/Twitter Aug 08 19:54:53 oshit Aug 08 19:54:59 a bouncer is maybe exactly what I want Aug 08 19:55:08 Ya, they are nice Aug 08 19:55:13 I've just been leaving irssi open in a screen Aug 08 19:55:15 I like the buffer part the best Aug 08 19:55:18 on mah VPS Aug 08 19:55:41 does it track connections/disconnections and keep a log in between? Aug 08 19:55:49 twbbas: thanks Aug 08 19:55:52 * PatrickC is going B&H Aug 08 19:56:02 summatusmentis: yeah, it's awesome Aug 08 19:56:09 summatusmentis: that's how I'm on all the time Aug 08 19:56:15 even though I shut my laptop off every night Aug 08 19:56:19 Same here Aug 08 19:56:21 I should seriously look into that Aug 08 19:56:28 and I get messages of when people PM me Aug 08 19:56:33 continuous IRC client! Aug 08 19:56:45 and the best part is that I can connect to wIRC at the same time Aug 08 19:56:58 like if I need to go poop or something Aug 08 19:56:59 I've been faking it with irssi, but for things like wIRC that'd be really neat Aug 08 19:57:19 twbbas: in case you need to go poop and absolutely cannot miss anything on irc Aug 08 19:57:33 you can't imagine how many times that has happened to me Aug 08 19:57:55 yup Aug 08 19:57:59 sugardave: and in the past you just had to bring your laptop with you Aug 08 19:58:13 haha Aug 08 19:58:14 yeah, and it's hard to balance that thing sometimes Aug 08 19:58:44 you guys convinced me Aug 08 19:58:56 Hey, issue. Aug 08 19:58:57 * summatusmentis adds ZNC to list of technologies to setup in his spare time Aug 08 19:59:01 I just wrote something in Eclipse. Aug 08 19:59:06 And Just a simple button. Aug 08 19:59:14 Aug 08 19:59:21 just trying to see if it will compile Aug 08 19:59:23 and Aug 08 19:59:27 It runs in my emulator Aug 08 19:59:31 but no button? Aug 08 19:59:42