**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 10 02:59:57 2011 Aug 10 03:01:04 I asked quickoffice that when 2.x first came out and they said the same thing and look at where we've gotten Aug 10 03:02:18 alright...guess I'm going to give up looking for tonight Aug 10 03:02:35 larry good luck on that Aug 10 03:02:43 i'm sure my computer's going to decide to fall asleep on us, but I'm gonna try to stick around Aug 10 03:02:46 oh Aug 10 03:02:55 PatrickC, you still around? Aug 10 03:02:58 google docs works on the touchpad... Aug 10 03:03:59 LarrySteeze: yes Aug 10 03:04:10 moved to PM :P Aug 10 03:10:05 does webos use C# or C++? Aug 10 03:13:04 LarrySteeze: newport, RI maybe? Aug 10 03:13:15 see all the rich people and their ocean-front property Aug 10 03:13:31 hah Aug 10 03:13:40 we went sailing down there last weekend Aug 10 03:13:45 it was fun... Aug 10 03:13:58 there was a music festival of some sort going on Aug 10 03:17:12 anybody have battlefield bc2 on xbl and wanna play? =S Aug 10 03:20:22 so how come clicking and dragging a slider does not steal focus Aug 10 03:20:29 but just clicking on the slider handle does Aug 10 03:20:54 anyone here know C? Aug 10 03:21:05 yes Aug 10 03:21:06 anyone done custom fonts in webos before? Aug 10 03:21:13 yes Aug 10 03:21:27 PuffTheMagic: what 'c' does webos use/like? Aug 10 03:21:31 anyone say yes? Aug 10 03:21:31 C# or C++? Aug 10 03:21:39 def not C# Aug 10 03:21:40 Shadyman1: PuffTheMagic did Aug 10 03:21:41 C or C++ Aug 10 03:21:46 ok Aug 10 03:21:49 PatrickC: I know ;) Aug 10 03:21:58 ok lol Aug 10 03:22:11 shadyman how are you doing it? Aug 10 03:22:18 font-family? Aug 10 03:22:23 Trying to. Aug 10 03:22:23 PuffTheMagic: one of the fonts triggered a luna-restart-flag on install. the other 2 didn't Aug 10 03:22:38 heyo, someone gave me a link a few weeks back to a page on the palm site documenting how to push apps to the emulator / device Aug 10 03:22:39 anyone have it? Aug 10 03:23:09 wesbos: check the making my first application page Aug 10 03:23:19 I don't have the link near me Aug 10 03:23:22 sorry Aug 10 03:23:31 PatrickC, they all should Aug 10 03:23:32 push? Aug 10 03:23:47 Shadyman1, whats your issue? Aug 10 03:23:58 PatrickC: thats it, thanks :) Aug 10 03:24:00 PuffTheMagic: It's not changing font :x Aug 10 03:24:03 PuffTheMagic: Bitstream Very and DejaVu dont Aug 10 03:24:15 Vera* Aug 10 03:24:35 Shadyman1, is the font u are choose installed? Aug 10 03:24:56 installed? Aug 10 03:25:00 Hm. Aug 10 03:25:18 http://pastebin.com/GE8jq5hL I put that in the .css Aug 10 03:25:21 I think he's trying to import it Aug 10 03:25:32 like putting a .ttf in a folder and importing it with css Aug 10 03:25:36 Yeah. Aug 10 03:25:49 @font-face does not work in webos Aug 10 03:25:56 ffffffuuuuu-- Aug 10 03:26:04 equivalent function? Aug 10 03:26:15 you can't use font face in css I thought. Aug 10 03:26:31 the webkit in webos does not support @font-face Aug 10 03:26:41 aw Aug 10 03:26:47 does it support any other kind of font-type thing? Aug 10 03:26:52 u need to install the font to /usr/share/fonts Aug 10 03:26:54 or use Cufon Aug 10 03:26:56 oh I see Aug 10 03:27:01 ttf->js Aug 10 03:27:49 cool Aug 10 03:27:52 i'll try cufon, thanks Aug 10 03:31:19 Is there a special method for installing fonts to /usr/share/fonts? Aug 10 03:37:35 why is my 3.0 sdk generating mojo templates? I want ento Aug 10 03:37:38 enyo Aug 10 03:38:04 uiRevision: 2 in appinfo.json Aug 10 03:38:38 wesbos: enyo is not generated by cmd line Aug 10 03:39:05 PatrickC ah, should I just download the example and work from that? Aug 10 03:39:13 probably Aug 10 03:39:34 PatrickC okay thanks, sorry for the noob questions Aug 10 03:39:42 new the the palm scene Aug 10 03:39:50 Shadyman1: you should symlink them, lest you fill your root partition Aug 10 03:40:07 wesbos: its ok :) we're here to help Aug 10 03:41:16 * rwatkins needs to setup a forum/irc filter for @font-face questions. Aug 10 03:41:23 rwhitby: Okie dokie. How would I make it install the font on app install? Aug 10 03:41:47 homebrew or app catalog? Aug 10 03:41:52 app Aug 10 03:41:57 you can't Aug 10 03:42:01 boo Aug 10 03:42:09 and homebrew? Aug 10 03:42:15 easy Aug 10 03:43:44 all the fun stuff is in homebrew :) Aug 10 03:44:11 hack away at the os all you want there, because you cant go crying to anybody about it. :) Aug 10 03:44:58 hehe Aug 10 03:54:12 PuffTheMagic: what did you use to learn C? Aug 10 03:54:36 * DougReeder waves hello. Aug 10 03:54:42 hi Aug 10 03:54:47 hey DougReeder Aug 10 03:55:13 dawm: pm? Aug 10 03:55:41 winner of the EA bug reports award Aug 10 03:57:50 Is there any way to view the July issue of Pivot now? Aug 10 03:58:17 nope Aug 10 03:58:43 hmm - I wonder if Impostah could cause it to download a previous issue Aug 10 03:58:56 the production doctors had a version of findapps w/o Pivot i imagine? Aug 10 03:59:48 yes, the doctors have an ipkg file which is installed on first startup from /usr/palm/ipkgs Aug 10 04:00:00 same for quickoffice on the touchpad Aug 10 04:00:05 would be nice to see which of those N/A apps in July actually have an app come 6 months from now. Aug 10 04:00:49 judging from the August issue, I didn't miss much. Aug 10 04:01:18 its a nice little extra, but not exactly .. deep. Aug 10 04:02:08 it is nice to see a totally different take on exposing users to the app catalog tho Aug 10 04:03:30 They might do better to start from what's available in the App Catalog and come up with a theme from that, rather than the other way around. Aug 10 04:04:08 the agency that builds pivot for HP was looking for devs at the last NYC webOS meetup. Aug 10 04:04:47 Ah? Didn't see them there. Aug 10 04:05:21 PatrickC, the linux kernel Aug 10 04:05:34 PuffTheMagic: really? wow Aug 10 04:05:36 I wonder if they were the outfit looking for webOS devs on NYC on LinkedIn. Aug 10 04:06:29 they appeared to be looking for mostly temps to work a week a month to hack a bunch of stuff into a template format as it comes together, not too much serious dev. Aug 10 04:07:06 * DougReeder nods. Aug 10 04:07:07 DougReeder: tspxyz.com is who contacted me Aug 10 04:07:25 * DougReeder nods. Aug 10 04:07:28 (for the august homebrew article) Aug 10 04:07:46 what a weird domain Aug 10 04:08:44 If you don't know what it is, you're not invited. :-) Aug 10 04:13:28 Anybody use Gaelyk for Google App Engine? I went to a talk on it tonight. Aug 10 04:14:25 * PatrickC decides C++ isn't worth it yet Aug 10 04:14:41 * rwhitby chuckles Aug 10 04:15:10 rwhitby: too many files to download to get gcc working. I'll wait for my mac Aug 10 04:15:18 or touchpad for that matter Aug 10 04:16:40 C++ was a landmark language for introducing OOP to programmers, but it's not very high level. Aug 10 04:17:05 C++ would get me closer to Obj. C Aug 10 04:18:55 C++ is shit Aug 10 04:18:58 and so is Obj.C Aug 10 04:19:20 god damn Aug 10 04:19:27 i mentioned Droid in a tweet Aug 10 04:19:34 Obj.C is what I need for iOS.. so... Aug 10 04:19:39 now i am getting droid tweet spam Aug 10 04:19:47 PatrickC, thats where you are wrong Aug 10 04:19:48 PuffTheMagic: what do you suggest for a C language? Aug 10 04:19:50 u dont need iOS Aug 10 04:19:59 So learn Objective C. Aug 10 04:19:59 "a C language" ? Aug 10 04:20:01 I need an app on iOS Aug 10 04:20:09 why Aug 10 04:20:15 akanster: C, C#, C++, Obj.C, etc. Aug 10 04:20:19 lol Aug 10 04:20:36 dude, there's all sorts of confusion on you statement. Aug 10 04:20:42 in your* Aug 10 04:21:03 PuffTheMagic: I have the app ready on webOS, gonna be ready for Android soon, so only iOS is left and I'll have the 3 major platforms Aug 10 04:21:22 akanster: I know nothing about C/etc yet Aug 10 04:21:47 I think PatrickC is a secret language war troll. Aug 10 04:22:01 rwatkins, no he is a mobile OS troll Aug 10 04:22:02 * DougReeder smiles. Aug 10 04:22:05 C is a subset of C++. C# is something else entirely (MS Java clone). Aug 10 04:22:07 rwatkins: shhhhh.. no one is suppose to know that Aug 10 04:22:20 it's all just 1's and 0's Aug 10 04:22:45 * rwhitby -> lunch Aug 10 04:22:51 pssh rwhitby Aug 10 04:23:03 it's all high voltage and low voltage Aug 10 04:23:40 Brain Fuck has a c in it Aug 10 04:23:42 learn that Aug 10 04:23:56 Programming languages control your actions, but also obey your commands. Did I just paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi? Aug 10 04:24:41 C++ gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot Aug 10 04:24:44 :) Aug 10 04:24:55 lol Aug 10 04:24:57 rope and guns.. sounds like fun! Aug 10 04:25:18 my old data structures prof used to say that Aug 10 04:26:43 But all these languages are more sinilar than the diversity of databases today. Aug 10 04:26:51 lol Aug 10 04:27:43 i've never seen good C++ code Aug 10 04:28:18 it doesn't exist. Aug 10 04:28:22 Liars! Aug 10 04:28:41 You use the same set of algorithms to program in all these languages, but CouchDB and an RDBMS need to be approached entirely differently. Aug 10 04:29:56 ok fine, I've never seen stroustrup's c++ Aug 10 04:30:04 maybe it's good Aug 10 04:30:40 heh Aug 10 04:30:41 language by committee is by definition a bad language. Aug 10 04:31:41 It's hard to write. You have to declare methods virtual in the base class - and you usually don't know that when you write the base class. Aug 10 04:32:22 PatrickC: go read Coders At Work - some loving portrails of C++ in there. Aug 10 04:33:00 rwatkins: it doesn't matter right now :) don't have a compiler atm Aug 10 04:33:08 so I'm sticking with Java for now Aug 10 04:33:51 I've already got a basic Java app written Aug 10 04:34:10 how can it be possible you have a JDK installed but cant manage to get a c++ chain. crazy. Aug 10 04:34:34 gcc requires tons of stuff for offline install Aug 10 04:34:50 what's an offline install? Aug 10 04:34:52 uh, install cygwin and click the little box for "gcc"? Aug 10 04:35:00 PatrickC: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/visual-cpp-express Aug 10 04:35:03 again, needs internet Aug 10 04:35:39 akanster: ill look at that Aug 10 04:35:49 the best langs allow you to write programs fast so u can spend the your time doing better things Aug 10 04:35:57 how does cygwin "need internet" any mor ethan the rest of Aug 10 04:36:01 you're online now, aren't you? Aug 10 04:36:17 dwc-: computer doesn't have internet Aug 10 04:36:23 tethering doesn't work Aug 10 04:36:35 and not spending money on the 11 year old poc Aug 10 04:36:53 so the complaint is... that it's not one big file? Aug 10 04:37:03 btw, you can tell cygwin's setup to just download the files it needs and not install them Aug 10 04:37:10 and then you can just move them to the other computer however you moved the jdk Aug 10 04:37:21 and install it there Aug 10 04:37:33 I moved the jdk via my pre2 Aug 10 04:37:43 11 year old PC .. with Java and no internet. nice. Aug 10 04:37:51 yep Aug 10 04:38:01 I use my pre2 to dl files, transfer via usb Aug 10 04:38:02 this Veer + TouchPad deal will be seriously enticing I predic Aug 10 04:38:02 t Aug 10 04:38:19 veer is too small to be usefull Aug 10 04:38:26 the need to bring back pixi form factor Aug 10 04:38:33 with better specs Aug 10 04:38:39 veer makes a great hotspot for the TP Aug 10 04:38:46 agreed, but the Veer is cool in its own right Aug 10 04:38:49 IMHO, the problem is two webOS devices don't sync. Aug 10 04:38:55 rwatkins, so does every other webos phone Aug 10 04:39:17 PuffTheMagic: so does a netgear AP, but the Veer is ... smaller. Aug 10 04:39:38 netgeap AP dont have GSM or CDMA contracts Aug 10 04:39:44 good comparison though Aug 10 04:41:04 Currently, what benefit is there to having a webOS phone to go with a webOS tablet? Aug 10 04:41:39 you have a phone thats not as crappy as a non-webos phone to go with your tablet? Aug 10 04:42:21 DougReeder: your palm profile? Aug 10 04:42:31 That's not an argument for the pair, though. Aug 10 04:42:52 What good does a comon Palm Profile do? Aug 10 04:43:02 Microsoft Visual Studio Express Edition <-- is 500MB?! Aug 10 04:43:21 You still need you passwords recorded somewhere else. Aug 10 04:43:22 but it'll do C#! Aug 10 04:43:28 it wont Aug 10 04:43:37 really? Aug 10 04:43:37 oh it will Aug 10 04:43:43 the suite will. Aug 10 04:43:44 DougReeder, there besides sharing some apps on 2 devices with 1 profile not much Aug 10 04:44:00 there are individual IDEs for each language Aug 10 04:44:25 DougReeder: it lets you use the apps you already bought on your phone on your tablet. thats about it. Aug 10 04:45:09 IMNWHO, most phone apps are not useful on a tablet. Aug 10 04:45:24 in your what? Aug 10 04:45:39 clearly the dividing line for integration was "new devices after TP" not some continuum with existing devices. Aug 10 04:45:45 DougReeder, yes its a weak argument Aug 10 04:45:45 ugh.. its an iso... :/ Aug 10 04:45:55 s/IMNWHO/IMNSHO/ Aug 10 04:45:55 but at least some devs are gonna make fat ipks Aug 10 04:46:02 agreed, i never use an app that requires the phone emulator. Aug 10 04:46:16 but you are right there is no real reason to pair a tab witha phone yet Aug 10 04:47:07 doesn't the veer do sms fwd'ing? Aug 10 04:47:44 Mind you, I'm doing my part to make the pair more than the sum of the parts. I just say it isn't really, yet. Aug 10 04:48:31 can't you make calls that way Aug 10 04:49:25 If your phone is within BT range, you could walk over and pick it up. Aug 10 04:49:29 ya u can make calls Aug 10 04:49:30 its lame Aug 10 04:49:36 mic quality sucks Aug 10 04:49:53 sms forwarding would be cool though Aug 10 04:51:00 yea, well, who wants to get up and walk across the room Aug 10 04:51:05 that's what we have tv remotes for Aug 10 04:51:24 * DougReeder makes a moue. Aug 10 04:51:31 and bluetooth keyboards and mice for HTPCs Aug 10 04:53:31 I think Ars Technica pegged it when they said Touch-to-share is currently just a technology demo (abeit a cool one). Aug 10 04:54:20 while we wait, Google is coming with NFC Aug 10 04:56:09 Let's hope the APIs don't change when HP shifts to NFC. Aug 10 05:07:16 i wonder if i could embed the adobe reader plugin into the browser app Aug 10 05:08:54 gross :p Aug 10 05:09:14 grosser that i have to download it and click open and wait Aug 10 05:22:53 umm.. halfhalo: I just realized we have the same first name Aug 10 05:24:29 that's scary... Aug 10 05:26:03 DraX: "stoned server" lol Aug 10 05:32:30 Adora: will Sprint Pre2's be affected by this? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17265 Aug 10 05:37:47 Oy, that's bad news. Aug 10 05:38:03 * DougReeder waves goodnight. Aug 10 05:38:07 oh... I wonder if I met halfhalo then Aug 10 05:38:44 dwc-: both are first names are Patrick lol Aug 10 05:39:01 * PatrickC hopes the new profile stuff doesn't break sprint pre2's Aug 10 05:39:02 your? yes. I see that. Aug 10 05:39:22 halfhalo's first name is that too Aug 10 05:39:28 or did you mean something else? Aug 10 05:39:32 yes... Aug 10 05:40:12 If you have used a Homebrew tool (such as meta-doctor) to update your device to webOS 2.x and above in a way that also allows the device to identify itself as having webOS 1.x, Aug 10 05:40:17 * PatrickC is tired and sleeping Aug 10 05:40:23 * dwc- is puzzled... wouldn't it report having 2.x? Aug 10 05:40:30 s/sleeping/should be sleeping/ Aug 10 05:40:32 yeah Aug 10 05:58:01 anyone use TextOne? Aug 10 05:58:45 dwc-: I am also puzzled by the wording. Aug 10 05:59:18 whowhatnow? Aug 10 05:59:35 halfhalo: we have the same first name Aug 10 05:59:38 * PatrickC hides Aug 10 05:59:39 and? Aug 10 05:59:50 I thought it was kind of funny? lol Aug 10 05:59:54 I never knew it Aug 10 06:00:10 wait… where is my name on the internet... Aug 10 06:00:15 twitter Aug 10 06:00:36 halfhalo: were you at scale in feb? Aug 10 06:00:40 si Aug 10 06:01:45 did you eat at denny's with chris and 2 random people Aug 10 06:01:55 yup Aug 10 06:02:23 oh, ok, I know who you are then Aug 10 06:04:01 anywho, sleep time for me. have to get up early to move the car since the parking lots and streets around here are being refinished in the morning Aug 10 06:06:19 dwc-: Metadoctored WebOS 2.x on devices that were not meant to get it has to masquerade as 1.4.5 to avoid certain issues (such as profile version 9.9.9) Aug 10 06:07:16 Hendikins: how does one with a 2.x Pre- download a 2.x only app then? Aug 10 06:08:08 Because after you've signed in to the profile, it no longer has to masquerade as such (IIRC, not a dev, etc.) Aug 10 06:08:22 report one version to the app store, another one to the other services, I imagine Aug 10 06:08:48 dwc-: is this a better place to ask? :) Aug 10 06:09:38 dwc-: I show 2.1 as my profile on palm.com/palmprofile though. which is why I asked Aug 10 06:10:25 My AT&T Pre+ with 2.1 isn't logged in to a profile at the moment, otherwise I'd look at it. Hell, I can't even remember what profile it -was- logged in to. Aug 10 07:42:17 Thank god Aug 10 07:43:39 Good morning Aug 10 07:44:34 hotdp: is your nick what I think it is? Aug 10 07:44:42 lol Aug 10 07:44:55 Omg. its like once a week Aug 10 07:45:01 i get that Q Aug 10 07:45:11 Haha, sorry Aug 10 07:45:13 And before i came to #webos i never got it.. Aug 10 07:45:25 Well, that's because #webos is full of perverts. Aug 10 07:45:35 there must be something about the minds of people on #webos Aug 10 07:57:55 So Aug 10 07:58:00 I have a few options Aug 10 07:58:18 Make Checkers 3/HD Open Source and make a team to work on it Aug 10 07:58:28 Or keep it closed source and take twice as long to release it Aug 10 08:45:53 Was wondering if anyone has heard of a palm pre running on the cdma portion of boosts network? Aug 10 08:46:51 xbonesx: Shouldn't that work automatically Aug 10 08:46:57 Sprint owns Boost Aug 10 08:52:57 kesne: i would think so but i wouldnt know how to do it Aug 10 08:53:18 xbonesx: If I'm correct, it'll just work like magic. Aug 10 08:53:44 kesne: then i just need a potion and away i go Aug 10 08:54:02 Boost phones just sit on top of Sprints existing network. Aug 10 08:54:21 So wherever you get a boost signal, you should get a Spring signal Aug 10 08:54:51 well it technically runs on sprints cdma towers Aug 10 08:54:57 says.... Aug 10 08:55:25 qualcomm 3g cdma on the back of the blackberry i have Aug 10 08:55:38 branded boost mobile Aug 10 08:55:49 So it should work Aug 10 08:55:56 Sprint only uses CDMA for 3G Aug 10 08:55:59 So you're fine Aug 10 08:56:13 question is how would i activate it on the account Aug 10 08:56:34 Wait, you want to put your pre on your boost account? Aug 10 08:57:08 yes Aug 10 08:57:19 because it is a sprint original palm pre Aug 10 08:57:27 Oh Aug 10 08:57:33 That I don't think you can do Aug 10 08:58:19 would be nice Aug 10 08:58:25 i miss my palm pre Aug 10 09:24:51 uh oh Aug 10 09:24:55 a change in the cloud service Aug 10 09:25:22 does anybody know what exactly that means for metadoctored Pre-? Aug 10 09:31:24 is the meid dec number the esn number? Aug 10 11:24:41 rwhitby: Confirming that AT&T Pre+ with 2.1.0 is now effectively toast. Can not log in to existing profile. Aug 10 11:26:24 But it seems I can create a new one (?) Aug 10 11:28:46 ...which gives me OS version 9.9.9. Aug 10 11:41:36 * Hendikins goes probing at this. The device is spare. Aug 10 12:15:27 Hendikins: can you capture some stuff for me? Aug 10 12:15:56 rwhitby: You provide the instructions, I'll provide the data. Aug 10 12:16:10 * Hendikins notes that the nova-barleywine build that he doesn't have floating around can't sign in either. Aug 10 12:17:29 Hendikins: basically, I need the info from Show Properties, plus the contents of /etc/palm-build-info Aug 10 12:18:13 rwhitby: Well, give me a moment to do a bit of doctoring. Aug 10 12:23:28 ok Aug 10 12:25:03 And this is really going to frustrate the guy in Brisbane who was going to relieve me of the Pre+. Aug 10 12:27:32 On the upside, I can break this device all day long without a care. Aug 10 12:30:57 Hendikins: once we know the extent of the change, I'm pretty sure we can just masquerade the device around it. Aug 10 12:33:21 That will be interesting. Wasn't that masquerading as 1.4.5 in the first place because 2.x isn't valid on an ATT Pre+? Aug 10 12:35:30 yep, but there are other devices for which 2.x is valid Aug 10 12:35:58 I'm sure your mate doesn't care whether it's an AT&T Pre+ or an O2 Pre+, right? Aug 10 12:36:15 cause an O2 Pre+ is a valid combination. Aug 10 12:36:20 He doesn't particularly care what it thinks it is, so long as it can do 850MHz. Aug 10 12:36:21 (for webOS 2.1.0) Aug 10 12:36:29 exactly Aug 10 12:36:37 more than one way to skin a cat Aug 10 12:37:11 And that was what I was figuring, masquerade as ROW (or other) instead of ATT Aug 10 12:37:19 yep Aug 10 12:38:45 So when I'm finished stuffing around, presumably just attempt to sign in to a profile that should work, fail, throw it in to dev mode and pull the information? Aug 10 12:39:04 yep Aug 10 12:39:25 or just meta-doctor memboot it and grab the files using novaterm Aug 10 12:41:34 Given what novacom on Linux is like, I think I'll go for the former. Aug 10 12:42:26 (This is taking so long because I doctored back to 1.4.5 prior to re-metadoctoring to 2.1.0) Aug 10 12:42:56 did you confirm a valid 1.40.50 profile version at 1.4.5 ? Aug 10 12:43:44 Didn't even bother booting 1.4.5. I'd doctored to something that had been leaked, so it was just a method of restoring the device to a "clean" state. Aug 10 12:52:51 before we start an experiment we will want to verify that the palm profile does actually say 1.40.50 on the web interface Aug 10 12:54:00 In that case I'm probably best off throwing 1.4.5 back on it, creating a clean profile and then going back to 2.x Aug 10 12:54:18 * Hendikins has all night Aug 10 12:55:52 yep, that would be a good test Aug 10 12:56:21 if I'm not around, please email results (see /msg) Aug 10 13:03:06 rwhitby: Do you think its possible to make a custom keyboard on the TP ? (thinking on making a danish friendly one) ? Aug 10 13:06:10 hotdp: Some folks in Russia have already done so. Aug 10 13:06:17 omg.. Aug 10 13:06:19 It requires binary patching of LunaSysMgr. Aug 10 13:06:29 :o thats more then i have skills too Aug 10 13:06:42 Do you have forum or anything where i can contact? Aug 10 13:20:35 check it out guys Aug 10 13:20:35 https://github.com/mikeal/pouchdb Aug 10 13:20:52 it's a ... 'couchdb' implementation in javascript/WebStorage Aug 10 13:25:08 * hotdp would like to talk to russian keyboard guys.. Aug 10 13:25:42 hotdp: there's a thread on it on PreCentral Aug 10 13:26:16 Oki, do you remember the title or thread place? Aug 10 13:26:22 nope Aug 10 13:26:43 oki hope it is on english :d Aug 10 13:27:00 my russian is a little rusten Aug 10 13:27:27 Compvir on PreCentral is the guy who did it Aug 10 13:27:35 thanks rwhitby Aug 10 13:27:57 I replied in the thread too Aug 10 13:41:40 rwhitby: where it for TP ? Aug 10 13:42:53 PatrickC, ? Aug 10 13:43:28 dawm, ? Aug 10 13:43:40 matbee, ? Aug 10 13:43:45 PatrickC, ? Aug 10 13:47:01 dawm, matbee: yes? Aug 10 13:47:26 is this a ping party? lol Aug 10 13:48:38 you ping'd me last night Aug 10 13:48:45 when i was afk Aug 10 13:48:51 oh. it was about 'C' Aug 10 13:49:08 I was gonna ask you what C you were using for Ailium, and how you learned it Aug 10 13:49:14 c++ Aug 10 13:49:30 just winging it from looking at tuts and a 'learn c++' book Aug 10 13:49:33 c++ seems to be the recommended one.. Aug 10 13:49:42 ok, thanks Aug 10 13:49:49 I'll have a look for some tuts Aug 10 13:49:56 pretty much was just lookign at the SDL tuts Aug 10 13:49:57 btw. how's Ailium coming? :) Aug 10 13:50:12 havent touched it man, been too busy with other things in life Aug 10 13:50:22 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flazyfoo.net%2FSDL_tutorials%2Findex.php&ei=NYxCTqfaKorL0QHjv-TUCQ&usg=AFQjCNEqSX1baXhZxomKwgnvfdDQ0jofeg Aug 10 13:50:23 ah Aug 10 13:50:25 erg Aug 10 13:50:30 http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/index.php Aug 10 13:50:45 cool, thanks Aug 10 13:51:26 and you used Visual Studio? Aug 10 13:51:53 no xcode on my macbook Aug 10 13:52:05 ah Aug 10 13:52:26 doesn't the PDK also compile? Aug 10 13:53:31 yah it has its own compiler Aug 10 13:53:39 xcode uses it Aug 10 13:53:45 ok cool Aug 10 13:53:57 i mean you could use notepad and then compile from command line if you wanted to Aug 10 13:55:09 that's probably what I'll do Aug 10 13:55:28 so I don't take up any other resources on my already limited hdd space Aug 10 13:56:07 hmm.. now to set up SDL in the PDK.. Aug 10 13:56:52 lots of tuts on the webos site for that Aug 10 13:58:42 actually, I found an ide that does offline install Aug 10 13:58:50 I'll try that one first Aug 10 13:59:34 thanks for the help dawm Aug 10 13:59:42 np Aug 10 13:59:43 maybe I can help with Ailium later :) Aug 10 14:13:55 bbl Aug 10 14:15:14 hi, how do you include images in a pdk app when testing on phone? my app can't load the image and I'm using the default "runit" script of the "simple"-example Aug 10 14:15:42 you put them in the folder when you package it up Aug 10 14:15:52 and then reference that folder from inside the app Aug 10 14:16:10 or you can just put them in next to the executable but thats messy looking Aug 10 14:19:03 does anybody have experience with Ubuntu 11.04 and the 3.0 SDK? Aug 10 14:22:12 i thought august was the end of summer Aug 10 14:22:20 sure feels like fall to me.. its cold outside Aug 10 14:22:25 and just the other day it wsa like 95 Aug 10 14:23:48 i mean i think im gonna wear pants today Aug 10 14:24:00 august is super hot here Aug 10 14:25:03 95? it Aug 10 14:25:08 's been unseasonably cool here Aug 10 14:25:39 forecast high of .... 83 today Aug 10 14:26:43 it was nice yesterday Aug 10 14:26:46 but that's unusual Aug 10 14:34:43 how can an application show notifications when it is in background? Aug 10 14:46:33 @dawm: so I have to modify the packageit.cmd to copy my images folder to the package folder and then palm-package it Aug 10 15:13:59 Have anyone heard about TP + airplay? Aug 10 15:16:36 what's there to hear about? Aug 10 15:17:01 airplay is the apple thing right? I'd be very skeptical that the TP works with it Aug 10 15:17:06 Yer Aug 10 15:17:28 So its possible to fx stream audio from the tp to amp Aug 10 15:17:38 what else is there if i wonna do that? Aug 10 15:17:59 I have no idea what you're asking Aug 10 15:19:43 Ok, lets say i have a iPad Aug 10 15:19:53 With a radio streaming app, it plays music Aug 10 15:20:19 but it transmit the audio signal to airplay that is connected to a music aplifier Aug 10 15:20:49 så i can here music from ipad without connecting it via jack Aug 10 15:22:32 yes Aug 10 15:23:58 So know i have a TP Aug 10 15:24:21 And want to here music without jack connection :D Aug 10 15:24:39 I'm pretty sure it's not possible Aug 10 15:26:34 and there have been nothing about something else like airplay that will work`? Aug 10 15:26:56 Apparently Anonymous is going to tank Facebook on November 5th. We need a G+ webOS app before then. Aug 10 15:27:21 hotdp: you're looking for something like sling player, or orb, or other stuff Aug 10 15:27:24 * PatrickC_ wanders in Aug 10 15:27:24 IGNTNUNLMTD: ? Aug 10 15:27:30 but I don't know of anything like that for webos Aug 10 15:27:38 IGNTNUNLMTD: I'd be surprised if they actually pull it off Aug 10 15:27:44 summatusmentis: does thoose wotk with tp? Aug 10 15:27:47 also, the G+ api isn't open yet Aug 10 15:27:53 I wouldn't put it past them to do some damage Aug 10 15:27:55 hotdp: I have no idea, have you tried searching Aug 10 15:28:52 IGNTNUNLMTD: what's up? Aug 10 15:29:04 not too much, how are you? Aug 10 15:29:22 sorry but what does "tank Facebook" mean? Aug 10 15:29:37 just gonna start game development later today :) Aug 10 15:29:44 I need a good game ider Aug 10 15:30:11 any suggesstions? Aug 10 15:30:17 suggestions* Aug 10 15:31:48 Preview of Gemini's newest feature. No more USB cable :-) pic.twitter.com/rmFA2vB Aug 10 15:32:54 if that is Mac compatible Aug 10 15:32:59 I would pay $15 for it Aug 10 15:33:11 I'm buying Gemini with my $50 cred Aug 10 15:33:44 IGNTNUNLMTD: what's a good game idea you have had, but never made? Aug 10 15:34:06 I intend to build it someday, so I can't share :-P Aug 10 15:34:13 lol Aug 10 15:35:04 oh dang, I forgot I signed up for the incredible! beta Aug 10 15:35:17 * PatrickC did Aug 10 15:35:25 looks like it'll work good on small screens Aug 10 15:35:47 smh Aug 10 15:36:24 why? Aug 10 15:37:02 PatrickC: in what language do you plan on coding that game? Aug 10 15:37:08 c++ Aug 10 15:37:14 heh. Aug 10 15:37:29 i remember going down that path before... Aug 10 15:37:33 getting ready to start a game tutorial Aug 10 15:37:41 halfhalo-work: you know c++? Aug 10 15:37:49 I know enough Aug 10 15:37:53 PatrickC: you'll need to know way more than if/else if you're gonna do game dev, I expect Aug 10 15:38:03 summatusmentis: I know Aug 10 15:38:03 yeah Aug 10 15:38:13 which is why I have a good tutorial and sample apps Aug 10 15:38:13 like... loops. and case. and memory management. Aug 10 15:38:20 and you won't be able to write something adequately from scratch, most likely Aug 10 15:38:33 I'd use an iPhone-oriented C++ game engine Aug 10 15:38:39 and then port it Aug 10 15:39:10 I don't have a mac to use for iOS yet Aug 10 15:39:28 well when it arrives Aug 10 15:39:39 parents won't let me order it for a while Aug 10 15:39:44 they changed their mind Aug 10 15:39:57 ... Aug 10 15:40:13 yeah.. : Aug 10 15:40:14 ah Aug 10 15:40:15 :/ * Aug 10 15:40:18 cocos2d do you know it? Aug 10 15:40:28 http://www.cocos2d-iphone.org/archives/1572 Aug 10 15:40:33 hotdp: was that do me? Aug 10 15:40:34 webos demo Aug 10 15:40:43 its for game dev Aug 10 15:41:02 that's cool hotdp Aug 10 15:41:32 * PatrickC adds to Relego Aug 10 15:41:38 i don't know it myself but it looks cool :9 Aug 10 15:41:57 * PatrickC thinks there is more money in games. so.. Aug 10 15:42:09 hehe that is correct Aug 10 15:42:15 special with flying birds Aug 10 15:42:40 * PatrickC will make "Angry Pigs: The Porkers Strike Back" Aug 10 15:43:19 I think I might should update my sdk to 3.0.2... Aug 10 15:43:31 * halfhalo-work will watch as PatrickC gets sued into oblivion Aug 10 15:43:46 hehe Aug 10 15:43:59 halfhalo: I was kidding... Aug 10 15:44:24 halfhalo: I don't think angry frogs for android has been sued Aug 10 15:44:36 could be a different name, but it is basically a clone Aug 10 15:44:45 except it kind of sucks Aug 10 15:44:50 angry frogs? Aug 10 15:44:52 * PatrickC googles Aug 10 15:46:03 lies Aug 10 15:46:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUD3XbgPpqo&feature=player_embedded#! Aug 10 15:47:30 omg Aug 10 15:47:34 my eyes Aug 10 15:48:07 * hotdp hopes its free or give money to download Aug 10 15:48:13 lol Aug 10 15:48:17 looks.. ok.. Aug 10 15:48:24 no. it doesn't Aug 10 15:48:46 doh, emulator reports wifi as not available Aug 10 15:48:52 well hopefully taht works... Aug 10 15:49:13 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis: I may send you guys an alpha build that checks for connectivity Aug 10 15:49:28 hokay Aug 10 15:49:29 * PatrickC has his game idea Aug 10 15:49:34 I'll be offline most of the day Aug 10 15:49:42 no worries Aug 10 15:50:11 it'll be like "Smartphone Destroyer" but with tech sites! :) Aug 10 15:50:24 *who hate/show hate toward webOS Aug 10 15:53:38 Tibfib: cool Aug 10 16:00:17 Tibfib: I've noticed that it's kinda laggy when scrolling the cards Aug 10 16:00:32 not so much for the first 5 or so cards but after those it gets laggy Aug 10 16:00:44 twbbas: permanently laggy, or just for like a second? Aug 10 16:01:00 twbbas: I try and follow a flyweight strategy for rendering the cards, but I haven't found the best balance Aug 10 16:01:01 pretty much laggy on ever scroll after I get past 5-10 cards Aug 10 16:01:06 every* Aug 10 16:01:10 sometimes it freezes Aug 10 16:01:16 okay Aug 10 16:01:18 I'll experiment some more Aug 10 16:01:25 I'll increase the intial render Aug 10 16:01:44 DANG PRECENTRAL Aug 10 16:01:47 those ads >.> Aug 10 16:01:52 twbbas: I fixed that Aug 10 16:01:57 actually this tiem Aug 10 16:02:05 before I just hide them and I thought it worked Aug 10 16:02:10 now I use a regexp to kill the iframes Aug 10 16:02:12 ok Aug 10 16:02:16 cool Aug 10 16:03:20 ya every 5 or so it freezes Aug 10 16:03:24 if I scroll fast Aug 10 16:03:40 maybe 10 Aug 10 16:04:12 Tibfib: Also, could there be an option to show the feeds in reverse order? Like oldest first? Aug 10 16:04:27 twbbas: oh the cards? Aug 10 16:04:28 In my GReader I like to see only my unread articles but oldest first Aug 10 16:04:30 Yes Aug 10 16:04:35 hmmm, probably Aug 10 16:04:39 sweet Aug 10 16:04:51 the issue is when requesting from google reader it comes newest first Aug 10 16:04:56 oh dang Aug 10 16:05:00 hmm Aug 10 16:05:02 so if there are more than the amount I request, there may be issues Aug 10 16:05:05 ya Aug 10 16:05:14 it's not that big of a deal Aug 10 16:05:21 wait, lemme think Aug 10 16:05:24 that might not be an issue Aug 10 16:05:40 actually that should work just fine Aug 10 16:05:46 you can't specify order to the greader api? Aug 10 16:05:53 I don't think so Aug 10 16:06:00 but that's not the issue Aug 10 16:06:13 the issue is I thought I only request XX number of feeds at a time Aug 10 16:06:20 when I can request ALL unread items at once Aug 10 16:06:30 so I can just resort them myself Aug 10 16:06:38 cool Aug 10 16:06:45 :O Gemini File Manager getting remote access!!!! Aug 10 16:06:57 s/resort/re-sort/ Aug 10 16:07:06 I don't understand why people are so excited about this Aug 10 16:07:12 sshfs gets you the same thing Aug 10 16:07:18 ya but I couldn't get that to work on my TP Aug 10 16:07:25 on my phone it works fine Aug 10 16:07:29 twbbas: yeah Aug 10 16:07:29 you obviously didn't try hard enough Aug 10 16:07:31 >_> Aug 10 16:07:33 :( Aug 10 16:07:41 I WILL TRY AGAIN Aug 10 16:07:47 * Hendikins finishes playing around with his ATT Pre+ Aug 10 16:07:54 (I should note, I don't use sshfs, I don't have a use-case for remote editing of files) Aug 10 16:08:09 chuqui!!! Aug 10 16:08:23 hey howdy Aug 10 16:08:25 I could use it sometimes Aug 10 16:08:36 mainly for easily digging around in the root directory Aug 10 16:08:48 I used to have sshfs setup on my pre, but then I'd walk away from the wifi, and macFuse would break Aug 10 16:08:55 I've come to the conclusion that you can create profiles until the cows come home, but any attempt to log in to one using a meta-doctored device running 2.1.0 will fail with a "Data not restored" message. Aug 10 16:09:00 you could enter in your phones IP address Aug 10 16:09:02 didn't need wifi Aug 10 16:09:19 I suppose I could have Aug 10 16:09:34 summatusmentis: That's what I do. I have 2 different profiles... one for wifi and one for data connection. Aug 10 16:09:47 that makes sense I suppose Aug 10 16:09:52 The problem is that it was useless in my dorm because every time I stepped into the elevator, my data connection ip would change >.> Aug 10 16:09:58 And my dorm doesn't have wifi in the rooms Aug 10 16:10:10 your... really? Aug 10 16:10:14 Yep Aug 10 16:10:19 So, I'd have to manually set my ip every time Aug 10 16:10:23 I should just get a dns or something Aug 10 16:10:26 that's the opposite of everything ever Aug 10 16:10:52 ha, in my day our dorms had phone jacks and I was king awesome with my 14.4Kbps modem Aug 10 16:11:03 lol Aug 10 16:11:07 * PatrickC never noticed the 'download' button on github Aug 10 16:11:10 we have phone jacks but no one uses them Aug 10 16:11:15 lol Aug 10 16:11:21 we have to pay for phone service if we use them lol Aug 10 16:11:26 so pointless Aug 10 16:12:15 twbbas: nice game suggestion.. lol Aug 10 16:12:21 Yeah, it's a killer idea Aug 10 16:12:44 which? Aug 10 16:12:57 I've been told that learning an Object Oriented Language would be better before I finish JS Aug 10 16:13:05 to a degree Aug 10 16:13:08 IGNTNUNLMTD: a game that lets you play your own radio stations Aug 10 16:13:16 ? Aug 10 16:13:24 Your Radio.. lol Aug 10 16:13:41 my sarcastic remark that suggested he finish his radio app before making a game Aug 10 16:13:45 ah I know, there's no transfer protocol for sarcasm though Aug 10 16:13:51 haha Aug 10 16:13:54 haha Aug 10 16:14:00 and learn loops Aug 10 16:14:05 this Aug 10 16:14:17 sarc://nevergonnahappen Aug 10 16:14:22 Which president was least guilty? Lincoln. He was in a cent. Aug 10 16:14:49 lol sugardave Aug 10 16:14:54 technically, on a cent Aug 10 16:15:03 that doesn't make the joke though Aug 10 16:15:04 when she was about 4 years old, my daughter proclaimed that Lincoln was a "greedy, greedy man". When we asked her why she said "He's on all the money!" Aug 10 16:15:11 haha Aug 10 16:15:22 lol Aug 10 16:15:26 haha Aug 10 16:15:38 kids say the darndest things Aug 10 16:15:43 indeed Aug 10 16:16:11 yep Aug 10 16:16:24 do I count as a kid? Aug 10 16:16:32 ye Aug 10 16:16:35 that would make up for most the things I say Aug 10 16:16:36 :P Aug 10 16:17:05 question: is it faster to do createComponents([obj, obj, obj]); render(); OR createComponent(obj); render(); createComponent(); render(); ... ? Aug 10 16:17:06 I need to get this update done today. Aug 10 16:17:09 * twbbas minimizes irc Aug 10 16:17:34 seriously, the only thing keeping me on Mac now is Coda Aug 10 16:18:06 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=85844#p85844 this post says creating components individually and rendering each time is faster than creating components individually and rendering once Aug 10 16:18:10 IGNTNUNLMTD: I'll take your mac Aug 10 16:18:13 sugardave: you work for palm, answer me! Aug 10 16:18:23 (please) Aug 10 16:18:41 PatrickC: I run every one of them into the ground... usually only takes 3-4 years Aug 10 16:18:42 lol Aug 10 16:19:03 lol Aug 10 16:19:23 my rule of thumb is I sell on first issue after warranty that costs 30% of what I paid Aug 10 16:19:31 and by sell I mean for scrap Aug 10 16:19:33 lol Aug 10 16:19:50 Tibfib: interesting, in another post I was just reading he claims that rendering once on the parent is faster... Aug 10 16:19:56 for my last MBP, that was the motherboard Aug 10 16:20:01 ouch Aug 10 16:20:01 sugardave: hmmmmmmm Aug 10 16:20:14 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17267&start=0 Aug 10 16:20:26 and Apple quoted me $700 Aug 10 16:20:36 sugardave: dangit. Aug 10 16:20:41 so I was like, "Nope!" and sold that one and bought this Aug 10 16:20:47 Tibfib: theoretically, rendering once on the parent should be faster Aug 10 16:21:02 when you tell something to render, it tells all of its components to render as well Aug 10 16:21:09 sugardave: what about creating components? Aug 10 16:21:14 individually or together? Aug 10 16:21:22 bbl. gotta finish this algebra book today Aug 10 16:21:28 I would imagine if there is a diff, array would be faster Aug 10 16:21:28 not sure, I haven't done any perf testing that way Aug 10 16:21:44 Vaslin claims no difference, but I would go with your theory Aug 10 16:23:32 I could seriously use some performance tips for flyweight rendering Aug 10 16:23:39 sugardave: that'd be very helpful for devs Aug 10 16:24:19 TOO BAD Aug 10 16:24:22 er Aug 10 16:24:27 I got nothing right now Aug 10 16:26:31 well then. Aug 10 16:28:23 g.morning folks Aug 10 16:28:31 sugardave: you know the rules. don't be helpful! Aug 10 16:30:09 morning, all. Aug 10 16:30:49 chuqui: it's the default stance we've all taken since 06/09....it's too easy to develop for webOS as it is :D Aug 10 16:31:54 I figured for webOS 4.0, we sohuld just convert all of the phones so you have to program them in COBOL Aug 10 16:32:19 sugardave can i pm you right quick? Aug 10 16:32:34 LoneStar99: shoot Aug 10 16:32:45 "Breaking: Chuq confirms existence of webOS 4.0" Aug 10 16:32:53 ;) Aug 10 16:32:54 chuqui: too many COBOL programmers...make it Pascal instead Aug 10 16:32:59 Tibfib: whats your issue with flyweights? Aug 10 16:33:09 RPG II! Algol! Aug 10 16:33:13 ADA! let's do ADA! Aug 10 16:33:17 oooo Aug 10 16:33:34 PuffTheMagic: well, I am not actually using the flyweight kind... but I'm using a flyweight strategy for creating components, and I doubt I'm doing it as optimized as I could Aug 10 16:33:52 why not just use a flyweight Aug 10 16:34:06 like reinventing the wheel? Aug 10 16:34:12 PuffTheMagic: what do you mean? Aug 10 16:34:34 why are you trying to recreate a flyweight effect when you could just use a flyweight Aug 10 16:34:44 how do you use a flyweight then? Aug 10 16:35:18 I couldn't find any useful info to using the kind itself, so I haven't Aug 10 16:36:07 depend on "$enyo/palm/list2/", Aug 10 16:36:08 to start Aug 10 16:36:36 create a kind that extends enyo.FlyweightList Aug 10 16:37:31 oh, yeah. I started using a virtual repeater which I believe has a flyweight built in Aug 10 16:37:35 * PatrickC_ loves novacom get :) Aug 10 16:37:54 PuffTheMagic: and the issue was it wouldn't work with my horizontal snap scroller Aug 10 16:46:57 cobol? oh cool, all those y2k guys can be relevant again Aug 10 16:49:52 so this morning i work up and my phone wasnt doing the ripple so i rebooted it Aug 10 16:50:12 but while on the touchstone and in exhibition, it changed from just being black w/ the time to a grassy image w/ the time Aug 10 16:50:16 how do i get that back? heh Aug 10 16:52:18 tap it again Aug 10 16:54:19 oh dur Aug 10 16:54:20 nice Aug 10 17:07:45 gotta have my bowl gotta have cereal Aug 10 17:12:25 I SEE MAHH FRIEEEENNNDSS Aug 10 17:15:49 PARTYING PARTYIN YEAH Aug 10 17:16:04 FUN FUN FUN Aug 10 17:16:32 lolol Aug 10 17:16:45 til your daddy takes your t-bird away Aug 10 17:16:58 Anyone know of any apps in the catalog right now that use in-app purchasing? Aug 10 17:17:20 Robotek Aug 10 17:17:34 PuffTheMagic: does it use the palm in-app stuff? or their own? Aug 10 17:17:49 do you have to do anything to get the touchpad in dev mode? Aug 10 17:17:49 i think in app Aug 10 17:18:00 download it and see Aug 10 17:18:00 its free Aug 10 17:18:00 PuffTheMagic: I'll check it out, thanks Aug 10 17:21:13 Since when do in-app items have promo codes? Aug 10 17:21:31 Robotek does use the IAP API Aug 10 17:21:47 and some Solitaire game I downloaded the other day Aug 10 17:22:11 Yes, that's the one I've been working with the developer Aug 10 17:22:21 The in-app items weren't working the past few days in both his app and my testing app Aug 10 17:22:27 But, now they seem to be working Aug 10 17:22:51 twbbas: the solitaire game? Aug 10 17:22:57 Solitaire universe Aug 10 17:23:04 Yes, they weren't working there Aug 10 17:23:29 Err maybe it's jut called "Solitaire" now Aug 10 17:24:05 what's the app ID? I tried to purcahse the packs last night, but it failed the first tiem after hanging up at the "purchase" screen Aug 10 17:24:23 but then about 30 minutes later it was working and I purchased the big pack of all Aug 10 17:24:25 sugardave: Yeah, that's what wasn't working Aug 10 17:24:40 hmm Aug 10 17:24:43 where's the app id located Aug 10 17:24:52 well, now that I've purchased them all, I can't test it out :D Aug 10 17:25:06 twbbas: in the appinfo.json file or the ipk name Aug 10 17:25:07 Does it have a pane on the right with all the types of items? Aug 10 17:25:17 Yeah I know but where can I see the app id on my device :) Aug 10 17:25:36 heh, in software manager, maybe? let me see Aug 10 17:26:01 It's by minego Aug 10 17:26:05 2.12.32 version Aug 10 17:26:45 yeah, can't find the id so far...but minego is the one Aug 10 17:26:49 man, it stinks having to doctor my device to a different doctor just to test in-app items Aug 10 17:29:11 twbbas: get another one :D Aug 10 17:29:18 I did! and I do! Aug 10 17:29:20 BUT Aug 10 17:29:28 1 is sealed in a box next to me for one of my brothers Aug 10 17:29:39 and I had my other brother's TP here this past weekend on the SDK doctor Aug 10 17:29:40 get another other one :P Aug 10 17:29:45 but he came home to get it Aug 10 17:29:47 :( Aug 10 17:30:03 Maybe once the 7 incher comes out Aug 10 17:30:05 I think everyone should have a TouchPad for each hand Aug 10 17:30:20 The 7" can be my dev one if it costs like $200 Aug 10 17:30:56 As soon as HP releases the 7" TP, they'll sell 1 to my Grandma Aug 10 17:31:02 She wants to replace her old palm pilot Aug 10 17:31:04 lol Aug 10 17:31:23 hahaha, nice Aug 10 17:31:52 I almost sold my Aunt/Uncle a TouchPad when the Staples deal was going on Aug 10 17:31:59 BUT they want the full version of Word Aug 10 17:32:07 so I'm like... stick with a netbook -.- Aug 10 17:32:21 and they told me that AFTER I demoed it for like 2 hrs Aug 10 17:32:31 niiiice Aug 10 17:32:50 Yeah, they want to be able to use the "track changes" feature of word Aug 10 17:33:00 so even if Quickoffice gets editing, I don't think it'll have that feature Aug 10 17:33:29 google docs Aug 10 17:33:37 that has "track changes?" Aug 10 17:33:41 looks like it Aug 10 17:33:49 does it work with Word? Aug 10 17:34:47 that I don't know Aug 10 17:34:58 Eh, I doubt it. Plus, they'd want to use it without internet. Aug 10 17:35:16 blasphemy! Aug 10 17:35:31 I told them just to use their netbook until the Win8 tablets come out Aug 10 17:35:45 Those are the only ones that will have actual Word on them Aug 10 17:36:55 Hey kesne, just curious... can you use the Villo push chat to transfer data to the devices? Or is it only allowed to be used for chatting purposes? Aug 10 17:38:02 twbbas: What kind of data Aug 10 17:38:20 Do you want it client -> client, or server -> client Aug 10 17:38:55 kesne: I'm just thinking of how I'm going to do this game I have planned. It'll be client -> my server -> client. Aug 10 17:39:17 Uhm Aug 10 17:39:18 I can already do the client -> server part on my end Aug 10 17:39:30 but the server -> client is where I'd take advantage of the push part of it Aug 10 17:39:56 A future feature of villo is designed to do stuff like that, but it won't be out for a bit. In the mean time, I can help you build one Aug 10 17:40:22 Alright, thanks. But, I'm not close to starting this app yet so it'll be a while. Maybe the feature will be out by then. Aug 10 17:40:41 Ah, alright Aug 10 17:40:58 Well whenever you're ready to get that type of system integrated, just ping me Aug 10 17:40:58 I'm just kind of brainstorming how I plan to do it Aug 10 17:41:03 ok sweet Aug 10 17:41:35 yo kense Aug 10 17:41:41 .... lol Aug 10 17:41:48 I feel like you spell his name wrong on purpose Aug 10 17:41:54 can i connect the leaderboards to diff ipk's Aug 10 17:41:59 kesne* i said kesne Aug 10 17:42:12 i'm terrible with names Aug 10 17:42:25 protip: Type ke then press tab Aug 10 17:42:41 fxspec06: Yeah, I just forget how, let me look Aug 10 17:43:13 okay cool i haven't looked yet i jus got back. i had that question and one more Aug 10 17:43:36 is there any way to attempt to retrieve cloud storage from different ipk's Aug 10 17:44:47 like. i would like to backup data and not have it tied to the ipk Aug 10 17:44:58 if you know what i mean Aug 10 17:48:42 oh i know. i can just, edit my villo.js Aug 10 17:48:51 =D Aug 10 17:49:15 thanks kesne! Aug 10 17:49:20 * fxspec06 highfives! Aug 10 17:49:38 http://youtu.be/nGugj1ym594 Aug 10 17:49:54 fxspec06: Yes Aug 10 17:50:00 There are official ways to do it Aug 10 17:51:30 Where's the PALMM!!!! guy when we need him? Aug 10 17:53:16 WINNING Aug 10 17:53:23 twbbas: He lost his job when the palm name dissolved. Aug 10 17:53:24 Costco Canada has the 32GB Touchpad for $499 Aug 10 17:53:50 Or at least that's what it said in the store? Aug 10 17:57:02 * PatrickC wanders in and slaps fxspec06 Aug 10 17:58:45 Tibfib_ PING Aug 10 18:00:37 sdl/c++ doesn't seem so bad yet Aug 10 18:00:43 it seems very logical Aug 10 18:01:16 coming from javascript I can almost see how you would think that Aug 10 18:01:45 whatup guys Aug 10 18:01:59 PatrickC, you can hardly figure out javascript let alone C++ :P Aug 10 18:02:41 look into pointers and templates ;) Aug 10 18:03:08 matbee: right now, I'm only displaying an image with SDL, and so far, it seems easy :) Aug 10 18:03:11 brb Aug 10 18:04:08 ha yeah Aug 10 18:06:08 display lots of pictures with tiny intervals to make a movie! Aug 10 18:08:53 TouchPad's a failure!!! http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/hp-permanently-lowers-price-of-touchpad-by-100/ Aug 10 18:08:57 Aug 10 18:09:09 toretto wrench ;D Aug 10 18:09:23 "SDFatHP – Twitter" Aug 10 18:09:29 I read that as "SD FAT HP" Aug 10 18:13:09 Who here has used the IAP API? Aug 10 18:25:41 twbbas: IAP? Aug 10 18:25:58 In-app purchase Aug 10 18:28:44 Oh Aug 10 18:28:46 Nope Aug 10 18:30:56 Hi, everyone. I'm working on a webOS app packaged inside PhoneGap. The app needs to be able to download and decompress various archives at run-time. Is a custom node.js-based service a bad idea in this instance? What else should I consider? Aug 10 18:31:28 if it's all javascript, that's pretty much your only option Aug 10 18:31:42 otherwise you can write a plugin/hybrid Aug 10 18:31:46 for filesystem stuff Aug 10 18:32:19 JMHNilbog: what sort of archives? xml, json ?? Aug 10 18:32:39 twbbas: they are just pricing it where it should have been all along to attract those people who havent taken the plunge into the tablet world Aug 10 18:32:51 i think it was bad HP targeted IPad owners Aug 10 18:32:55 they should have targeted people with no tablet Aug 10 18:33:16 Big chunks of web content, LoneStar99. Mostly json and images. Aug 10 18:33:34 I am so cool Aug 10 18:33:37 JMHNilbog: in that case, why not just use ajax? Aug 10 18:33:51 I thought you meant zip/tar files Aug 10 18:34:25 JMHNilbog: you could do all the processing in the backend (cloud) ajax then send the processed data via json (ajax) like sugardave mentioned Aug 10 18:34:25 We're talking up to ~50MB of visual assets, CSS, layout information, that need to be available on subsequent launches of the app. Aug 10 18:34:47 store in sqlite once you have them Aug 10 18:34:47 ouch Aug 10 18:35:03 I need a service to grab the data, unzip it/put it in the right place, and throw it away once it's no longer relevant. Aug 10 18:35:06 remember, some future users will be on cellular connections Aug 10 18:35:07 so much data for a little device =) Aug 10 18:35:16 or you CAN use the download manager to put them in a spot on /media/internal Aug 10 18:35:28 JMHNilbog: it's the unzip part Aug 10 18:35:36 you need node.js or plugin to do that Aug 10 18:35:47 I'm not sure how well the download manager copes with the 1.0 version of PhoneGap. Aug 10 18:36:03 They seem to have only implemented parts of Mojo and thrown the rest away. Aug 10 18:36:06 help! My phone won't boot! Aug 10 18:36:26 or find a js unzipper Aug 10 18:36:42 ajay_: what does your phone do? Aug 10 18:36:56 Loudergood_: is there one? I tried one a LOOOONG time ago, but it wouldn't work Aug 10 18:37:20 I see a few different ones on google...nothing I've used though Aug 10 18:37:24 it could read the container but failed to read the contents Aug 10 18:37:26 Loudergood: It boots straight to text Linux.. does a bunch of file system checks ("File system was modified" it likes to say) and gives up Aug 10 18:37:35 I need to be able to access the unzipped things easily to display them -- I don't think using the db will work. Aug 10 18:37:55 I installed the chroot last night fwiw.. Aug 10 18:38:25 sounds like you need a visit to the doctor... Aug 10 18:38:39 My idea is to download the zip file, unzip it into a subdirectory of my app, access it as needed, and toss that subdirectory away after a few days, when the content is no longer available to the user. Aug 10 18:39:23 Loudergood: I think I just need some help. I am really opposed to the doctor-fixes-all mentality. (in this case emotionally so since i need to backup my files first) Aug 10 18:40:11 what kernel are you running? Aug 10 18:40:26 oh yeah i just installed the uberkernel last night Aug 10 18:40:43 sugardave: JMHNilbog: http://cheeso.members.winisp.net/srcview.aspx?dir=js-unzip Aug 10 18:40:52 Or i should say, I started to, but i don't think it finished.. i thought nothing of it at the time.. oops! Aug 10 18:40:56 ajay_: in that case look into membooting Aug 10 18:41:17 Loudergood_: cool, thanks! Aug 10 18:41:17 Loudergood: yes this sounds good..! Aug 10 18:42:07 Which one of the reset options logs you out of your palm profile? I want to have access to the first-use screen without having to doctor (if possible). Aug 10 18:44:40 hm, i've membooted before w/o copying the uImage to the novacom folder, this doesn't seem necessary? Aug 10 18:44:47 twbbas: apps and data Aug 10 18:44:57 thanks Aug 10 18:46:00 how do I reboot other than battery pull? (novacom no answer, power butt & opt-sym-r do nothing.. I can rarely get that silent switch thing to work) hm, think i just answered my own q.. Aug 10 18:46:01 Thanks, Loudergood. Can't use that, though -- I need to save the unzipped files to disk, not just in memory. Aug 10 18:49:35 woohoo flashing Palm logo!! Aug 10 18:49:58 uh, but someone just left me a vmail.. of course nobody calls me when my phone actually works! ;^| Aug 10 18:51:09 ajay_: Of course not. Aug 10 18:58:33 fonts huh? interestin Aug 10 18:58:44 the new prices are up - http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html Aug 10 18:59:52 akanster: now I just need a $100 off coupon that includes the TP :) (I know, I shoulda bit? maybe!) Aug 10 19:00:22 60% off of a $500 32GB touchpad = bueno Aug 10 19:00:37 BUENO MAN!!!! BUENO!!!! Aug 10 19:02:34 kesne: 60% off?? oh are you a black belt or something?? Aug 10 19:02:47 O.o Aug 10 19:02:49 he's a klepto! Aug 10 19:03:26 London's new logo http://i.imgur.com/YER86.png Aug 10 19:03:27 ajay_: I'm technically a brown belt for now, but that's only because I have like one qualifying app. Aug 10 19:03:41 lol twbbas Aug 10 19:04:13 I'm still waiting on my belt color Aug 10 19:04:29 ajay_: I've got about 5 apps nearing completion. Once those go live, I'll request re-evaluation, and sell my 60% discount. Aug 10 19:06:12 kesne: 1 app? wouldn't that make you green belt? Aug 10 19:06:40 ajay_: Okay, not literally one :P I have four apps that I think qualify. Plus, the app number isn't a hard number. Aug 10 19:06:42 twbbas: sweet Aug 10 19:06:44 It was quick, @mannyman got upgraded to brown belt on the day of attending his workshop. They work quick! Aug 10 19:07:02 I haven't heard anything about my belt color, but maybe that's because i only have 1 beta app in the cat.. Aug 10 19:07:44 Appible has 8 black belts! Aug 10 19:08:03 what about brighthouse labs Aug 10 19:08:16 34 Aug 10 19:08:52 twbbas: brighthouse labs has 100+ blackbelts LOL Aug 10 19:09:21 better yet 1000 green belts Aug 10 19:10:26 I am still waiting for the ban hammer to come down on shitty mass apps Aug 10 19:10:37 akanster: an app's an app! Aug 10 19:15:41 What could cause a PalmService to not call neither the onSuccess or onFailure callbacks? Aug 10 19:15:54 err take out the not in there Aug 10 19:16:40 My other PalmService call works fine (as in it calls the failure function) but the one right before it doesn't call a callback. Aug 10 19:16:51 incorrect binding of the handlers...losing the service request to gc because you didn't keep a reference....bad luck.... Aug 10 19:17:27 ok think my phone is ok now, I can go on w/ my day.. ;^) see ya! Aug 10 19:17:33 Bye bye Aug 10 19:17:52 Loudergood: THANKS again btw! Aug 10 19:18:47 and just remember "there are differences between boot sector and its backup. Not automatically fixing this" Aug 10 19:21:15 uuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 10 19:21:19 i hate our javascript librar Aug 10 19:21:21 y Aug 10 19:21:36 trying to use knockoutjs with jquery-templates Aug 10 19:21:40 not working out so well Aug 10 19:21:57 hm, it's raining cats & dogs the whole day Aug 10 19:42:13 I'm just starting out with development and on working through the sample app on the developer site, whenever I try to load it in chrome I get this: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'height' of null Aug 10 19:48:54 you guys that've been to hp's developer events: have they mentioned' any plans to let 3rd party apps get @ stuff like call logs / calendar events / etc? Aug 10 19:51:03 plxotl: Nope Aug 10 19:51:17 Can't you already get calendar events? Aug 10 19:52:20 not sure, i think you can only (a) add a new event or (b) request the calendar app open @ a specific date Aug 10 19:52:25 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/application-apis/calendar.html Aug 10 19:53:40 but there don't seem to be apis for like "read me off all events between $start_date and $end_date" Aug 10 19:54:25 Okay, so the problem only occurs when I user .renderInto. That seems like a pretty important function Aug 10 19:55:44 plxotl: thats where homebrew shines Aug 10 19:55:47 no restrictions Aug 10 19:57:53 Ebonwumon: when do you call .renderInto()? Aug 10 19:58:35 or link to the sample you are following Aug 10 19:59:40 brup Aug 10 20:00:14 enyo.create({ Aug 10 20:00:14 content: "Hello World" Aug 10 20:00:14 }).renderInto(document.body); Aug 10 20:00:14 That's it - I'm trying to do hello world. Aug 10 20:00:14 That's on index.html between script tags. Aug 10 20:00:16 Okay well I was doing this one: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial1.html Aug 10 20:00:54 I just restored everything, so I'm doing exactly what it says to be doing on part 2 Aug 10 20:01:03 WHere it says "this is what our application should look like" Aug 10 20:01:16 Except mine looks like a white screen that throws console errors =\ Aug 10 20:01:43 k, give me a few minutes to attend this meeting, or someone else can jump in, too :D Aug 10 20:03:22 What would you do if I said no to giving you a few minutes? =P Aug 10 20:03:45 cry :( Aug 10 20:03:56 :( Aug 10 20:04:06 please don't make him cry Aug 10 20:04:09 he will never stop Aug 10 20:05:06 This error makes me want to cry. Aug 10 20:06:58 Ebonwumon: Create a kind and render it that way Aug 10 20:09:06 anyone know why my yahoo mail synergy account wont authticate on my pre2 anymore? Aug 10 20:09:11 just started recently Aug 10 20:09:13 hm Aug 10 20:09:25 will the pricedrop also come to the E.U.? Aug 10 20:09:39 mobile web version i can log in no problem Aug 10 20:09:56 kevets: its yahoo. after a month of not logging in via a desktop/etc it will lock you out Aug 10 20:10:04 poop Aug 10 20:10:41 is it temporary? ive been trying it after logging in to webmail on my laptop and no luck. some bs cookie error Aug 10 20:11:21 holy hell it's working now. Aug 10 20:11:27 aaaaand I have no idea why. Aug 10 20:11:44 Eclipse crashed just before it started working so I'm not sure what I changed. Aug 10 20:11:44 good, because this works: http://pastebin.com/5yxf233P Aug 10 20:12:29 so i and some other people are having trouble with google chat on touchpad. anybody else having this issue? Aug 10 20:13:29 it's been solid for me; is it not sending messages, not signing in, not printing money? Aug 10 20:13:52 not signing in. may i ask what router you have? Aug 10 20:14:06 i am able to get it working on some networks and not others Aug 10 20:14:21 that's... very strange; the TP has connectivity at all of them, though? Aug 10 20:15:23 yeah. i can;t get it to work on my home network but was able to get it at my friends. the problem seems independent of network security as i tried them open and wpa2 Aug 10 20:16:20 i have doctored and that didn;t change a thing. Aug 10 20:16:46 So I'm looking on the developer site at the APIs and I don't see one for camera. Do we not have access to that? Aug 10 20:17:17 I think for now only in PDK apps Aug 10 20:17:20 well, a crappy solution I know for chat connection problems is tapping your status light, setting it to "Sign off" then back to "availabel" Aug 10 20:17:41 yeah that hasn't worked either. what brand router do you have? Aug 10 20:18:01 at home I have a D-Link, at work... I have no idea, Linkage Aug 10 20:18:12 GDAC, Linksys would be my guess Aug 10 20:18:29 okay. because we are trying to debunk the current thought. it seems so far to only not work on netgear routers Aug 10 20:18:49 which i don't see how that could matter Aug 10 20:19:09 me either; I know my TP failed to connect to my home network using Shared WEP Aug 10 20:21:01 anybody with a netgear router. can you confrim google chat working? Aug 10 20:22:56 hey chuqui Aug 10 20:23:17 Why is chuqui here? Aug 10 20:23:34 making sure we behave Aug 10 20:24:06 lol Aug 10 20:25:09 yo. I'm here because I like you all. Aug 10 20:25:35 well, everyone has occasional faults of judgement.... Aug 10 20:26:03 haha Aug 10 20:27:11 chuqui are there any confirmed issues with google chat on touchpad? My and a few others haven't been able to connect to certain networks. the issue seems independent of security. Aug 10 20:28:32 kirk: not something I have heard offhand, but not something I've tracked Aug 10 20:28:49 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/10/hp-touchpad-4g-hits-fcc-on-the-way-to-atandt/ Aug 10 20:32:05 got a linksys router and google chat IS working I show availible Aug 10 20:34:36 What the.... Aug 10 20:34:43 116 failed transactions... Aug 10 20:35:16 aww, I'm touched that you tried to pay me 116 times! Seriously, though, where's my money. Aug 10 20:35:46 http://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/hp-touchpad-vs-ipad-2-in-pdf-smackdown-test/ Aug 10 20:35:48 TouchPad won Aug 10 20:36:03 ooo Aug 10 20:39:08 honestly that's a horrible stat to share with the developer Aug 10 20:40:03 Well, if they broke it down as "deadbeats who couldn't pay" and "Number of times we screwed up and cost you money" that'd be useful Aug 10 20:41:47 9 times out of 10 when we see that issue at work it's because of expiration date problems Aug 10 20:43:16 hmmm, do you know if HP validates the card when they associate it with the profile? 'cause that means you're looking at folks who've had their card in there for a while. Aug 10 20:43:19 hi, how can i create a button that is by default hidden? Aug 10 20:43:36 style="display:none" ? Aug 10 20:43:57 or, if you want it to still take up space, "visibility:hidden;" Aug 10 20:44:12 not sure if those are the webOS accepted practices, but that's the CSS :) Aug 10 20:45:35 flare576_work: yeah, seems ther right thing, From enyo doc "show(), and hide() methods are only conveniences for quickly setting or removing display: none styl" Aug 10 20:46:34 pepone: {kind:"Button" showing:false} Aug 10 20:46:46 there's also a comma in there :P Aug 10 20:47:06 I really need to learn that stuff azakus :) Aug 10 20:47:14 azakus: nice, less to type Aug 10 20:48:43 i mean typing, still learning english Aug 10 20:48:54 always helps to have the API reference open, as you can look at the inherited properties Aug 10 20:49:09 pepone, you had the right form of "type" Aug 10 20:50:43 I trying to create a Chat view, thinking what will be easier/best components to handle the list of users and list of messages Aug 10 20:51:27 specially want to be both on screen when there is enought space, but just one when there isn't enought screen space Aug 10 20:55:21 crap, i think my pre2 is stuck in a boot loop after reverting from sr71 back to the stock kernel Aug 10 20:55:31 i have been having terrible luck lately with this Aug 10 20:59:41 * PatrickC wanders in Aug 10 21:04:37 * PatrickC likes C++, but school comes first Aug 10 21:04:57 pepone: what program are you using for chat? Aug 10 21:05:39 PatrickC: I creating a chat demo with C++ and enyo Aug 10 21:05:53 chat demo? Aug 10 21:06:12 will it be open source? Aug 10 21:06:12 is a chat application, that is a demo for a C++ Network library Aug 10 21:06:20 ah Aug 10 21:06:35 I'm learning C++ now. Aug 10 21:06:39 I willl be GPL when finished Aug 10 21:06:51 cool Aug 10 21:07:15 damn Aug 10 21:07:19 wow Aug 10 21:07:26 what was b0bben's problem? Aug 10 21:07:37 pepone: can't wait to see/use it Aug 10 21:07:39 if my pre2 is boot looping is the only option to just re-doctor? Aug 10 21:07:50 oh wait it just came up... this may be good Aug 10 21:08:06 kevets: memboot Aug 10 21:08:27 just did that... after doing the memboot will it be able to be rebooted on its own OK? Aug 10 21:08:37 not sure what i should do after. but membooting got it to load Aug 10 21:08:44 you use boot to install a reliable kernel Aug 10 21:08:49 kk Aug 10 21:08:51 like the recovery kernel Aug 10 21:09:10 yeah its weird, thats what i was installing when it started. Aug 10 21:11:14 were you running another kernel that was having issues? Aug 10 21:11:55 fyi: b0bben was quoting South Park :) "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home" Aug 10 21:12:24 I went home, and yet I'm still here Aug 10 21:12:49 "Lets all go home" "We're already home" "That was fast." -- Simpsons. Aug 10 21:23:50 F104A kernel seems to be the most reliable of the test kernels for my pre2 Aug 10 21:26:16 "There are 3 types of people in this world... those that can count and those that can't count" - Homer Simpson Aug 10 21:39:59 arg Aug 10 21:40:26 memboot works to get teh thing on, but can't reinstall default kernel cause it seems stuck in boot loop Aug 10 21:40:49 can't install f104a that i had good success with because default kernel isn't installed Aug 10 21:41:01 chicken. egg. Aug 10 21:44:53 http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/say-hello-to-the-touchpad-go-opal.454/ Aug 10 21:45:04 The 4G TouchPad that just entered the FCC could be the 7" Opal! Aug 10 21:45:27 The FCC filing is labeling it as the "TouchPad GO" with the model being named Opal Aug 10 21:45:32 :O! Aug 10 21:45:34 is there an API to store application preferences? Aug 10 21:46:58 i want to store the last values used in a form Aug 10 21:48:04 an application cookie Aug 10 21:59:18 I just bought a sweet domain name webOyeS Aug 10 21:59:22 .com Aug 10 22:01:39 kirk: that's punny Aug 10 22:02:55 we boyes (someone can't speel) Aug 10 22:02:56 :) Aug 10 22:03:29 it's webO-YES Aug 10 22:03:31 hahaha, get it Aug 10 22:03:32 ? Aug 10 22:03:41 lol Aug 10 22:03:49 that is pretty clever Aug 10 22:03:58 is there a loading control, that show a loading indicator without progress? can i use a gif for that? Aug 10 22:03:59 i'm amused Aug 10 22:04:29 pepone, yes, but i've never used it, so i don't know how to access it Aug 10 22:04:33 pepone: scrim spinner? Aug 10 22:09:11 PatrickC: thanks, "scrim" is what i want Aug 10 22:12:51 pepone: enyo.ProgressBar or enyo.ProgressSlider Aug 10 22:13:42 gah! misread that, Yeah you need a spinner Aug 10 22:14:09 Actually i think i will show a "Spinner" in a popup with a message "Conneting .." Aug 10 22:22:32 Hm. Can you reach the information in appinfo.json from enyo? Aug 10 22:23:13 this.appinfo.title or somesuch? Aug 10 22:24:29 Ah, derp. fetchAppInfo Aug 10 22:25:10 yep Aug 10 22:25:19 var info = enyo.fetchAppInfo(); Aug 10 22:25:49 Win. Aug 10 22:25:50 thanks for the props. what is funny is that webos.com takes you to an iphone app Aug 10 22:25:57 Irony Aug 10 22:26:30 I can bet that's from the pre-App Store days Aug 10 22:33:10 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/say-hello-to-the-touchpad-go-opal.454/#post-4381 Aug 10 22:33:16 TouchPad Go 7" revealed in FCC filings Aug 10 22:33:39 1.5GHz, 16GB & 32GB Wifi Aug 10 22:33:51 1.5GHz, 32G HSPA+ for US and 3G for EU Aug 10 22:39:34 Too small Aug 10 22:39:51 I'm really surprised all the tech news sites didn't actually look at the FCC docs Aug 10 22:40:21 It says OPAL all over the place, the diagram is smaller than the 10" TP, and it shows those different wifi models. Aug 10 22:40:46 are you really *that* surprised? Aug 10 22:40:56 I'm not surprised Aug 10 22:41:02 beware of using fetchAppInfo if your launch html isn't in the same directory as appinfo.json Aug 10 22:41:05 all they want is traffic Aug 10 22:41:16 i.e it doesn't work Aug 10 22:41:20 Eh, I figured Precentral or WOR would at least see the Opal model name Aug 10 22:42:58 sugardave: really? Aug 10 22:43:04 indeed Aug 10 22:43:11 ran into that last night Aug 10 22:43:40 besides being labeled opal how do we know from the document it is smaller? Aug 10 22:44:23 kirk, the label in the diagram has size measurements. Aug 10 22:45:08 I measured the device in the diagram vs the label on it and determined it is 8.8inches diagonally for the device and about 7.3 inches for the screen-size. Aug 10 22:46:17 got ya. i am unfamiliar with fcc documents and did not know diagrams had to be to scale. Aug 10 22:46:29 i guess they sure do Aug 10 22:47:34 I don't know they have to be to scale either but if they give measurements of a label on the actual device, I'm pretty sure the device's diagram would be to scale as well. Aug 10 22:48:04 And for what it's worth, the box doesn't look like my TouchPad's box, lol. Aug 10 22:49:46 haha http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/reading-into-the-fcc-is-this-really-the-touchpad-4g/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+webosroundup+%28webOSroundup%29 Aug 10 22:50:10 lol they got it finally Aug 10 22:50:51 * PatrickC likes C++ so far Aug 10 22:51:02 looks like they are not much for investigative journalism. Aug 10 22:51:45 akanster: a workaround (not sure if it will pass scanners) is to use enyo.fetchConfigFile(relativePathToAppinfoFileAsString) Aug 10 22:51:59 where the relative path starts from your launch html as specified in appinfo.json Aug 10 22:52:43 sugardave: webOS doesnt load the appinfo into memory and make it accessible to the app? Aug 10 22:52:50 apparently not Aug 10 22:53:12 looking at the source, fetchAppInfo uses fetchConfigFile("appinfo.json") Aug 10 22:53:12 :D Aug 10 22:53:16 Yo PatrickC, did you see the TouchPad Go (7") was revealed in the FCC filing today? Aug 10 22:53:32 twbbas: was just reading your comments on it in the backlog :) Aug 10 22:53:37 haha Aug 10 22:53:40 I'll still go with the TP original Aug 10 22:53:42 WOR just wrote the article on it now Aug 10 22:53:44 7" is too small Aug 10 22:53:54 My Grandma wants the 7" to replace her palm pilot Aug 10 22:53:59 it was revealed when all the palm folks started clamming up when we talked about it ;) Aug 10 22:54:01 lol Aug 10 22:54:12 haha Aug 10 22:54:19 bbl. dinnner Aug 10 22:54:20 yeah I could go for a 7" one Aug 10 22:54:29 c++ isn't very hard though ;) so far Aug 10 22:54:37 ha! Aug 10 22:54:41 If the 7" one is offered at a dev discount, I'll probably end up getting it. Aug 10 22:54:55 I just want my Pre3 :'( Aug 10 22:55:36 they should just make the 7" one a full blown phone Aug 10 22:55:42 * flare576_work draws and FCC filing in crayon and scans it, posts it to the forums "Sorry about the smudges... those are my tears" Aug 10 22:55:44 all the android sites would go nuts Aug 10 22:55:56 i shattered my sprintified pre2 glass. about to recase it into a pre plus. 3 phones becoming one Aug 10 22:56:06 sugardave: where'e the source located? Aug 10 22:58:57 akanster: should be in framework\build\enyo-build.js Aug 10 22:59:06 thanks Aug 10 22:59:09 np Aug 10 22:59:16 protip: Leaving a web browser open to Amazon Streaming will eat your TouchPad battery. Aug 10 22:59:23 even when not streaming Aug 10 22:59:35 i.e. after you press "pause" Aug 10 22:59:39 streaming those free Prime movies? Aug 10 22:59:53 yep, for a few more days Aug 10 23:00:03 Pushing Daisies, now Torchwood Aug 10 23:00:31 the TP is such a nice entertainment device that I've had no time for app coding. Aug 10 23:00:31 I loved Pushing Daisies. Chi McBride was awesome in that Aug 10 23:00:55 sorry HP/Palm Aug 10 23:01:01 I'm sad...I fired up Netflix the other day to continue catching up on Babylon 5....and it's not streaming anymore :( Aug 10 23:01:27 * akanster has been watching Mad Men Aug 10 23:01:57 in other news, I now have "The Style Channel" in my Dish package Aug 10 23:02:00 woo! Aug 10 23:02:12 sweet, do they support CSS3? Aug 10 23:02:13 classy Aug 10 23:02:50 sugardave: http://instantrimshot.com Aug 10 23:03:13 sugardave: 5 seasons of Babylon 5 on Amazon Streaming Aug 10 23:03:30 at $1.99 per episode :( Aug 10 23:03:43 haeffb: woo...but no HDMI out on the TouchPad :( Aug 10 23:03:45 Rent, not buy! Aug 10 23:04:08 oh Aug 10 23:04:09 hell no Aug 10 23:04:19 not free for Prime? Aug 10 23:04:25 * halfhalo-work owns all 5 seasons on the devedes Aug 10 23:04:39 lolz dvds. old school Aug 10 23:04:39 doesn't appear so, unless my Prime ran out Aug 10 23:05:06 * haeffb owns all five seasons on 5.25" floppy disks Aug 10 23:05:08 speaking of streaming.. Hulu Plus is shit Aug 10 23:05:20 unless you are watching in a browser Aug 10 23:05:22 akanster: on TP, or overall? Aug 10 23:05:29 * haeffb has a warehouse to store all the floppies Aug 10 23:05:30 Tibfib: overall Aug 10 23:05:43 I would pay for hulu plus if it worked on TP Aug 10 23:05:55 I found my red box copy of OS/2 3.0 the other day. 40-something 3.5" diskettes. And that's for if you already have your own DOS/Windows installed Aug 10 23:05:59 they restrict a lot of the good stuff to "web only" Aug 10 23:06:21 plus worked fine for my on my TP last i tried it Aug 10 23:06:28 halfhalo-work: interesting Aug 10 23:06:31 I'll have to try it here Aug 10 23:06:35 ONCE I GET MY TOUCHPAD Aug 10 23:06:56 * halfhalo-work has enough touchpads on his desk to juggle Aug 10 23:06:57 * haeffb still can't get HBO Go to work reliably on TP Aug 10 23:07:15 Amazon is great after 3.02 Aug 10 23:07:28 * twbbas wishes Netflix worked on TP Aug 10 23:07:53 vudu works nicely on TP Aug 10 23:08:17 hmmm, if I buy shows on amazon can I stream them too? Aug 10 23:08:22 or is it strictly downloading? Aug 10 23:09:36 sugardave: who's cage do we need to rattle about the uiRevision: 2 problem? Aug 10 23:09:42 whose Aug 10 23:10:11 the current situation is completly unacceptable. Aug 10 23:10:26 * LarrySteeze stumbles in Aug 10 23:11:17 http://i.imgur.com/TzjQf.png Aug 10 23:11:55 Tibfib, akanster: I *think* it's $1.99 to buy the episode and then it lives in your "digital purchases" area and you can watch when you want. Not sure if it even downloads. Aug 10 23:11:56 lololololol Aug 10 23:12:33 that reminded me of this little guy, http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-05-10/1273520839004.png Aug 10 23:12:46 haeffb: which problem? Aug 10 23:13:11 when I update a mojo app with "uiRevision": 2 Aug 10 23:13:36 the portal only allows 3.0 as minimum version Aug 10 23:13:43 bummer Aug 10 23:13:55 not bummer. Completely unacceptable. Aug 10 23:14:01 that's a Chuq/Lisa funnel point Aug 10 23:14:08 ata kid sugardave. "No helping people" Aug 10 23:14:11 because Palm told us to add uiRevision: 2 to our apps to fullscreen Aug 10 23:14:36 and it worked fine for a few weeks. and then the portal was changed and it no longer works Aug 10 23:14:58 I have asked Chuq/Lisa for a resolution, posted in numerous threads on the forums. Need to elevate. Aug 10 23:15:03 haeffb: getting fixed soon Aug 10 23:15:09 tada! Aug 10 23:15:10 sugardave: never mind. Aug 10 23:15:17 Adora: we love you! Aug 10 23:15:18 already being addressed, just needs to be deployed Aug 10 23:15:19 sugardave: still your fualt. Aug 10 23:15:21 =] Aug 10 23:15:23 s/fualt/fault/ Aug 10 23:15:45 hey Adora Aug 10 23:15:49 Tibfib: you've obviously forgotten my "no blame" clause Aug 10 23:15:50 oh, right. Per rwhitby's directive, we no longer blame oil for anything. Aug 10 23:15:54 PatrickC: hi Aug 10 23:16:07 haeffb: what?? Aug 10 23:16:11 chuqui: we love you too. Aug 10 23:16:25 sugardave: stupid fine print Aug 10 23:16:30 I haven't heard anything about not blaming oil anymore Aug 10 23:16:33 you people are cwazy Aug 10 23:16:38 rwhitby's smoking the crack rock Aug 10 23:16:46 :o Aug 10 23:16:53 haeffb: I couldn't live if I didn't believe that. Aug 10 23:16:55 the crack rock, eh? Aug 10 23:17:22 http://twitpic.com/3whmja/full Aug 10 23:17:23 haeffb: I know for sure you can dl videos you buy Aug 10 23:17:38 sugardave: hahaha Aug 10 23:17:48 haeffb: sooo, that's how I'm buying all 7 seasons of lost Aug 10 23:17:52 streaming + local ftw Aug 10 23:18:11 Tibfib: true, and if you can also download them again later, double FTW Aug 10 23:18:20 I hope so Aug 10 23:18:32 anyone in here from the New England area? (I need help to stay out of the dog house) Aug 10 23:18:45 yes Aug 10 23:18:46 haha Aug 10 23:18:48 the question is, to HD or not to HD Aug 10 23:18:49 twbbas: that graphic represents the height of my ability with gimp Aug 10 23:18:52 sadness Aug 10 23:19:04 Tibfib: SD is for losers, but you do what feels right. Aug 10 23:19:16 sugardave: Inkscape! Aug 10 23:19:21 haeffb: welllll I don't need SD for my touchpad Aug 10 23:19:30 oh, but you do. Aug 10 23:19:31 and streaming HD might have worse performance Aug 10 23:19:41 meh. Get more internets. Aug 10 23:19:45 haeffb: will Inkscape turn me into an artiste? Aug 10 23:19:47 s/I don't need SD/I don't need HD/ Aug 10 23:19:52 Yes. Yes, it will. Aug 10 23:19:56 haeffb: not worried about that, worried about the touchpad itself Aug 10 23:20:03 sugardave: paint.net ftw Aug 10 23:20:07 I do HD from amazon all the time. Aug 10 23:20:08 Some of the people here from last night already know...but this weekend is my 1 year anniversary...and my wife wants to go on a weekend retreat to an inn or something of the sort on the coast (drive time doesn't really matter that much as long as it is in new england). Unfortunately, everything decent seems booked :-( Aug 10 23:20:12 on my TP Aug 10 23:20:27 mmmkay, I'll probably two episodes to test it out Aug 10 23:20:34 Mystic, CT is a nice little town with lots to do. Aug 10 23:20:39 I used to live there back in the day Aug 10 23:21:13 I like enyo. it's nice. Aug 10 23:21:22 Tibfib: do you have Prime? or have you used the free month trial? Aug 10 23:21:36 haeffb: umm, I have the student prime Aug 10 23:21:39 which expires soon Aug 10 23:21:49 so, it includes free streaming? Aug 10 23:21:55 try something in SD and HD Aug 10 23:21:55 This is why it takes an hour to upload my app >.> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1427067060.png Aug 10 23:21:56 I'm not on the coast, I'm from VT ;) Aug 10 23:21:59 has there been any sales figures released for the TP yet? Aug 10 23:22:06 haeffb: the student one doesn't stream Aug 10 23:22:08 it's pretty lame Aug 10 23:22:16 haeffb: plus no tengo un touchpad Aug 10 23:22:37 oh. yeah. nevermind. Aug 10 23:22:55 There's a difference between SD and HD streaming on the TP. Aug 10 23:23:04 in looks or performance? Aug 10 23:23:09 looks. Aug 10 23:23:09 I'm actually fine with VT...just don't know if my wife is Aug 10 23:23:12 Vyker: I think we've sold > 1 Aug 10 23:23:16 haeffb: kk Aug 10 23:23:19 it took us too long to pull the trigger, obviously. Aug 10 23:23:32 :) Aug 10 23:23:32 as long as you have the bandwidth, performance isn't an issue. Aug 10 23:23:46 and if you own this content forever, you'll want HD someday Aug 10 23:23:49 haeffb: what's your speednet down? Aug 10 23:23:55 10MB Aug 10 23:24:00 I'll probably go HD, it's not significantly cheaper Aug 10 23:24:01 dangit Aug 10 23:24:06 dawm: pint Aug 10 23:24:21 ping* Aug 10 23:24:24 Shelburne Farms is really nice, and it's on lake champlain...not that I'm biased because my little brother is the breakfast chef or anything Aug 10 23:24:33 dawm: quart Aug 10 23:24:46 or anyone who does pdk Aug 10 23:24:47 dawm: pint 'o guiness Aug 10 23:25:01 o' ? Aug 10 23:25:04 I'll check it out Aug 10 23:25:16 LarrySteeze! Aug 10 23:25:25 haeffb: latter Aug 10 23:25:32 PatrickC! Aug 10 23:25:42 LarrySteeze: still sticking with the first wife, eh? Aug 10 23:25:50 * Tibfib thinks it keeps saying LarrySneeze Aug 10 23:26:00 * Tibfib wishes his last name was Sneeze Aug 10 23:26:01 * haeffb keeps thinking of Leisure Suit Larry Aug 10 23:26:02 hah...yeah...thats if she'll stick with me after the stress of not finding a place Aug 10 23:26:16 * haeffb is not sure why. Aug 10 23:26:20 Well, if it makes you feel any better, I do have the temptation of purchasing a yellow leisure suit Aug 10 23:26:32 that would be...awesome! Aug 10 23:26:36 * Tibfib thinks of larry from spongebob Aug 10 23:27:00 lol Aug 10 23:27:08 haeffb: I'm sitting on a 2.7~ mb down Aug 10 23:27:09 there's a larry in spongebob Aug 10 23:27:10 ? Aug 10 23:27:13 * haeffb is much older than Tibfib Aug 10 23:27:13 larry the lobster Aug 10 23:27:26 I think. Aug 10 23:27:27 Checked out Shelburne Farms...wife negged it due to the cows on the front page >.< Aug 10 23:27:36 Tibfib: you can DL and then later stream from a faster connection. HD is the future, man! Aug 10 23:27:43 sure Aug 10 23:27:52 but cows are where delicious meat products are derived :( Aug 10 23:28:15 Anyone heard of a palm pre successfully being transfered to a boost account? Aug 10 23:28:16 "Do you know what they do to those cows?" Aug 10 23:28:16 "Soccer Coaches Clipboard HD" Aug 10 23:28:18 "No, but it's delicious" Aug 10 23:28:24 hehe Aug 10 23:28:58 "Bowel Movement Tracker HD" Aug 10 23:29:14 "Wheel O' Blame HD" Aug 10 23:29:25 that would be a great app! Aug 10 23:29:29 sugardave: hop to it Aug 10 23:29:34 that would BE AWESOME Aug 10 23:29:37 I might just make it Aug 10 23:29:40 I can't write apps anymore Aug 10 23:29:49 sugardave: did they cut off your hand? Aug 10 23:29:51 Tibfib: Jim Gaffigan ftw! Aug 10 23:29:55 akanster: YES Aug 10 23:30:00 Death Pocket! Aug 10 23:30:02 akanster: street cred++ Aug 10 23:30:28 "have you tried the hot pocket hot pocket?" Aug 10 23:30:40 Now they have a vegetarian hot pocket.... for those that don't eat meat but would still like diarrhea. Aug 10 23:30:42 "tastes just like a hot pocket" Aug 10 23:31:14 "recently they came out with a breakfast hot pocket. So now you can have a hot pocket for breakfast, a hot pocket for lunch and be dead by dinner" Aug 10 23:31:48 heh, that whole vid is on NetFlix. Saw it again a couple of weeks back Aug 10 23:32:11 it's on spotify too Aug 10 23:32:21 I only bought the hot pocket section a while back Aug 10 23:32:26 but now I have all of it Aug 10 23:32:49 breakfast hot pockets are NOT new Aug 10 23:33:04 And I'm sorry, but they're awesome. Aug 10 23:33:09 I miss hot pockets Aug 10 23:33:26 LarrySteeze: you should listen to jim gaffigan on hot pockets Aug 10 23:33:27 that's pretty much all I ate in high school Aug 10 23:33:55 AlwaysBlameOil: ohhhhhh yeah, how do you like NomNomNom? Aug 10 23:34:01 I think i've seen the show actually Aug 10 23:34:08 Tibfib: I need to install the latest version, actually Aug 10 23:34:14 * haeffb going to grill some shrimp with a ginger-honey glaze. And then wrap them in dough and stick them in the microwave. Aug 10 23:34:26 I do not haz the hax, so I have to do install the old fashioned way Aug 10 23:34:37 AlwaysBlameOil: it is a little prettier and fixes some bugs. Aug 10 23:34:40 AlwaysBlameOil: ah, gotcha Aug 10 23:34:44 haeffb: Why not stop after grilling them? Aug 10 23:34:52 the rest is more work Aug 10 23:34:55 AlwaysBlameOil: but any thoughts on the current version you have? Aug 10 23:35:17 * Tibfib makes "ClassyButton" kind Aug 10 23:35:45 Tibfib: I may be back as far as .8, I'm taking a look at .12 now Aug 10 23:36:17 heh, I don't know if .8 had the updated visuals Aug 10 23:36:18 does Textual have an amp script? Aug 10 23:36:28 because you guys really need to be listening to this song right now Aug 10 23:36:47 http://grooveshark.com/s/A+Familiar+Taste/3LGBCs?src=5 Aug 10 23:37:04 grooveshark is sooo last month Aug 10 23:37:08 spotify is the nowwwww Aug 10 23:37:25 but my playlists are in grooveshark Aug 10 23:37:32 I'm in the process of switching them all over Aug 10 23:37:51 I think there are some ways to do that automagically Aug 10 23:38:02 there are not Aug 10 23:38:06 * akanster uses RealPlayer Aug 10 23:38:13 I did considerable research Aug 10 23:38:13 oh Aug 10 23:38:17 lame Aug 10 23:38:32 whatup Aug 10 23:38:32 probably more research time than it would have taken to just recreate them all manually Aug 10 23:39:05 "Convert playlists into Spotify format. What if you already made playlists in YouTube, SoundCloud, Grooveshark, and other music services? Go to Playlistify.org and click "Bake your own playlist." Then seelect which service you want to get your playlist from and follow the instructions." Aug 10 23:39:14 didn't work Aug 10 23:39:19 hahah Aug 10 23:39:26 (I know, I thought that was the perfect answer) Aug 10 23:39:26 that's lame Aug 10 23:39:30 it didn't "find" any of my songs Aug 10 23:39:38 that's too bad Aug 10 23:40:03 how do the belt discounts work? Do I order then send them HP receipt? Aug 10 23:40:47 akanster: I THINK they give out vouchers/coupons that you use when you order, but I could be completely wrong (so ask somebody else :P) Aug 10 23:41:00 btw AlwaysBlameOil, awesome track. Aug 10 23:41:07 akanster: duh. grilled ginger-honey shrimp hot pockets. Aug 10 23:41:17 does anyone else notice that grooveshark f's up sometimes and doesn't play a song Aug 10 23:41:20 some decoding error's Aug 10 23:41:22 haeffb: you should be shot! Aug 10 23:41:34 it makes me rage Aug 10 23:41:40 akanster: you go through a portal to order, I assumed it would apply the discount right then and there Aug 10 23:41:47 ah Aug 10 23:41:54 thanks sugardave, haeffb Aug 10 23:41:56 but I haven't actually tried it. Aug 10 23:42:38 HP Developer Device Purchase Program Aug 10 23:44:13 anybody want a TouchPad...I'll go test out the ordering process... Aug 10 23:44:20 haeffb: how big is your discount? Aug 10 23:44:39 it's big. really big. Aug 10 23:44:45 I'll take 7. Aug 10 23:44:58 not that big. Aug 10 23:45:39 bah Aug 10 23:46:46 akanster: You register for the HP DDPP portal, then login, then enter your voucher code. Then something, but I don't know what, because I don't want to go past that point yet. Aug 10 23:47:19 * haeffb waiting for the 7" Opal to try this stuff for realz Aug 10 23:47:25 or the Pre 3 Aug 10 23:47:27 voucher code? don't think I got that Aug 10 23:47:51 access code ? Aug 10 23:48:37 hey, where do I go get my "Graphic Badge to Use in Marketing Materials" ? Aug 10 23:48:54 and what's a "Developer Access Kit" ? Aug 10 23:49:11 and an "Event in a Box Kit" ? Aug 10 23:50:15 o i c ... "For more information on this program, please contact us at webosdevprogram@hp.com." Aug 10 23:50:44 * rwhitby is waiting until I attend the Sydney workshop before requesting a belt colour Aug 10 23:51:28 rwhitby: I think the NYC dev days counts. Aug 10 23:51:40 Wel, I think it's finalized. Aug 10 23:51:48 I'm guaranteed to be in the dog house >. Aug 10 23:51:49 >.< Aug 10 23:53:25 rwhitby: because that's the only workshop I've attended and my belt color requires a workshop. And I attended that under a similar situation to yours... Aug 10 23:54:29 rwhitby: and, really? there's got to be a whole separate category beyond belts for guyz like you. Aug 10 23:55:09 beyond ninja, even Aug 10 23:57:52 rwhitby has a cloak of invisibility Aug 11 00:00:03 So do you. Don't act like we can't see it. Aug 11 00:00:28 wait. wut? Aug 11 00:00:44 42 Aug 11 00:00:45 * rwhitby prefers not to make folks make special exceptions to the rules Aug 11 00:01:11 oh. How many apps do you have in the catalog? Aug 11 00:01:36 there are "exceptions" and then there are "exceptions" Aug 11 00:01:40 rwhitby gave us access to like 3.8k ubuntu apps. Those should count ;) Aug 11 00:02:00 haha...don't forget the optware Aug 11 00:02:05 "Number of Qualifying Aug 11 00:02:05 Apps in Catalog" Aug 11 00:02:20 "Catalog" could mean anything ;) Aug 11 00:02:22 * rwhitby has 1 app in catalog. it is the top-rated app however. Aug 11 00:02:25 Preware Catalog? Aug 11 00:02:42 PHD Aug 11 00:03:20 * haeffb goes to purchase and give it a zero-star rating. "This app doesn't let me download homebrew apps." Aug 11 00:04:40 :o Aug 11 00:04:44 I'm on The Verge! Aug 11 00:04:45 http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/10/touchpad-go-hps-7-inch-webos-tablet-hits-fcc/ Aug 11 00:06:17 twbbas: nice Aug 11 00:06:20 BOSS! Aug 11 00:06:55 too bad I'm not even confident in my math Aug 11 00:07:00 "smartly extrapolated" Aug 11 00:08:34 If someone could double check my math then that'd be great Aug 11 00:08:35 lol Aug 11 00:09:03 twbbas goes down in flames, foiled by geometry. Aug 11 00:09:10 aha! Aug 11 00:09:16 I was using my Pre's calculator though Aug 11 00:10:47 * haeffb decides the grilled shrimp hot pockets are too much work and goes for a frozen pizza instead. Aug 11 00:11:00 shrimp hot pockets? grilled? Aug 11 00:12:12 "haeffb going to grill some shrimp with a ginger-honey glaze. And then wrap them in dough and stick them in the microwave." Aug 11 00:12:37 twbbas: must have missed the hot pockets craze in here earlier. Aug 11 00:12:42 wow Aug 11 00:12:51 you're making me hungry and I don't even like shrimp Aug 11 00:13:39 don't worry, I decided not to do it afterall Aug 11 00:13:59 * LarrySteeze is ready to pay someone to find something -_- Aug 11 00:15:02 so, why would people expect a 7" TouchPad with 3G to be less expensive than the 10" TP without ? Aug 11 00:15:59 why would anyone want a 7" TouchPad over a 10" touchpad? Aug 11 00:16:18 even more portable but still bigger then a phone? Aug 11 00:16:31 LarrySteeze: My Grandma wants one to replace her Palm Pilot. Aug 11 00:16:41 The 10" is too big for her purse Aug 11 00:17:07 getabiggerpurse? Aug 11 00:17:28 lol Aug 11 00:17:41 I don't know...7" is too small for a tablet IMHO Aug 11 00:17:46 ^ Aug 11 00:17:54 keyboard takes up too much room and is still too small :( Aug 11 00:18:00 I'm looking at you, Playbook Aug 11 00:18:18 well she doesn't want it as a tablet... more like a digital calendar and address book etc Aug 11 00:18:25 that's pretty much all she'd use it for Aug 11 00:18:44 she wouldn't be watching netflix, playing games, browsing the web Aug 11 00:19:24 hook grandma up with some Angry Birds! Aug 11 00:19:34 lol Aug 11 00:27:56 Palm Pilot Tip Calculator Aug 11 00:28:13 nice exit Aug 11 00:30:57 hey all Aug 11 00:32:21 NuttyBunny, did you see the TouchPad Go? Aug 11 00:32:35 * NuttyBunny droooooools :D Aug 11 00:32:48 That WILL be my tablet :D Aug 11 00:33:09 there are no specs leaked yet, are they Aug 11 00:33:19 Yeah Aug 11 00:33:21 http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/10/touchpad-go-hps-7-inch-webos-tablet-hits-fcc/ Aug 11 00:33:21 twbbas has extrapolated it! Aug 11 00:33:26 Look at the labels Aug 11 00:33:32 1.5GHz for all 4 models Aug 11 00:34:47 twbbas: interpolate the resolution ;) Aug 11 00:34:57 lolol Aug 11 00:36:32 if it has just exactly the same stuff as the TP, plus 3G, count me in!!! Aug 11 00:37:15 I bet it'll be $250-$300 for 16GB Wifi Aug 11 00:37:31 * halfhalo grumbles at the stupid apt complex redoing the entire parking lot and not leaving any spaces left for people to, you know, park. Aug 11 00:37:36 $350-$400 for 32GB Wifi Aug 11 00:37:48 and then add $100 to each for 3G/4G Aug 11 00:38:19 halfhalo: How's HP going for you? Aug 11 00:38:29 I hear Arthur left Aug 11 00:38:42 he did Aug 11 00:38:45 and its cool Aug 11 00:39:01 How much longer for you? Aug 11 00:39:08 till the 25th Aug 11 00:39:42 Sweet Aug 11 00:39:54 You pretty much have my dream internship there Aug 11 00:40:16 :p Aug 11 00:48:13 My brother did the exact pixel calculation in photoshop and concluded it was a 7.03" screen Aug 11 01:01:38 * NuttyBunny dreams... .oO(loaner device... ) Aug 11 01:04:24 :o I can restore to different backups on my TP Aug 11 01:04:28 not just the last one Aug 11 01:05:49 whats' up everybody Aug 11 01:06:12 i've been super super busy tese days and i want another break Aug 11 01:07:22 trying to get a tp update ready... Aug 11 01:07:59 i had nearly 4 times as many downloads on tp release day than i did on pre release day Aug 11 01:09:18 fxspec06: I may download your game soon... on a TP ;) Aug 11 01:10:30 sweeeeeet! Aug 11 01:11:27 you'll like it. =) working on making all higher res images. hoping to send update tomorrow.. and hit by thursday.. Aug 11 01:12:22 And where are the other card games? won't you make BlackJack and other ones? Aug 11 01:13:16 nothing's out of the realm of possibility Aug 11 01:13:49 nice :D Aug 11 01:15:19 i still need to finish this project then i can start thinking about next project Aug 11 01:19:11 mmm... I'm doing 3 at the same time... well, 2 are almost done, I just need an actual device to test and put the final touches, the other one is going from the drawing board to the keyboard at this very moment :D Aug 11 01:19:20 twbbas Aug 11 01:19:23 You are a genius Aug 11 01:24:05 Is there a way to show notifications when the application is not visible? Aug 11 01:24:57 ideally i want to show a dilaog, that allow the user go to the application or dimiss the notification Aug 11 01:25:53 twbbas: Impostah can do backup restores Aug 11 01:28:46 rwhitby: Good point. I didn't know that. Aug 11 01:28:59 kesne: Thanks... lol Aug 11 01:29:18 twbbas: You're mentioned on TIMN Aug 11 01:29:21 twbbas: YMMV - it doesn't delete anything first, but just overwrites with what the server sends back Aug 11 01:29:24 kesne: Yeah, I saw lol Aug 11 01:29:30 BY NAME! Aug 11 01:37:38 twbbas: nice job on smartly extrapolating Aug 11 01:38:45 wait, what? http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/10/htc-beats-audio-phones/ Aug 11 01:38:53 come on hp. really? Aug 11 01:39:22 twbbas: what for? Aug 11 01:39:48 Tibfib: WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Aug 11 01:40:40 * Hendikins yawns, stretches. Aug 11 01:41:04 rwhitby: Any other stuff I should poke at on the ATT Pre+? Aug 11 01:41:26 pepone: no. use dashboards. Aug 11 01:44:17 Tibfib: Thanks :) Aug 11 01:44:28 fxspec06: I figured out the screen-size of the FCC TouchPad Aug 11 01:44:55 http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/10/touchpad-go-hps-7-inch-webos-tablet-hits-fcc/ Aug 11 01:44:57 that sums it up Aug 11 01:47:30 Tibfib: that is lame Aug 11 01:47:45 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice job Aug 11 01:48:19 * haeffb realizes HP has owned Palm for over a year, and has released...the Veer. Aug 11 01:48:43 remember the guy who said HP didn't buy Palm for phones... ? Aug 11 01:49:10 haeffb: SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Aug 11 01:49:12 i do believe i have just made my first disqus comment in over a month. i expect anyone here who sees it to digg it up ; ) lol Aug 11 01:49:27 * Tibfib DOWN VOTES Aug 11 01:49:43 * Shadyman1 downvotes Aug 11 01:50:12 lol Aug 11 01:50:18 too bad u can't downvote! Aug 11 01:50:21 trolololo Aug 11 01:50:47 also too bad that my posts have "downvote insurance" Aug 11 01:51:04 fxspec06: I liked it Aug 11 01:51:23 does webOS support text-shadow?? Aug 11 01:51:24 twbbas: thank you kind sir Aug 11 01:51:30 s/??/?/ Aug 11 01:51:55 Tibfib: I know it doesn't support webkit shadow Aug 11 01:52:02 hmmm Aug 11 01:52:27 oh well, it'll look attractive in chrome Aug 11 01:52:28 >.< Aug 11 01:53:13 pretty irritating. webkit shadow is amazing... you would think if it supports other webkit properties that it would support shadow as well Aug 11 01:53:26 another it doesn't support is is perspective Aug 11 01:53:31 =| Aug 11 01:54:35 and of course, rotation+opacity :P Aug 11 01:55:52 CLASSY BUTTON COMPLETE Aug 11 02:03:40 wait, classy button? Aug 11 02:04:16 cllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssyyyyyyy button Aug 11 02:04:59 * oil is expecting: http://i53.tinypic.com/atoo41.png Aug 11 02:05:14 jerk Aug 11 02:05:16 way to spoil it Aug 11 02:05:21 lol Aug 11 02:05:38 however, a gis for classy comes up with some interesting results: http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/blogs/popwrap/200905/Images/200905_Classy-rebecca-budig.jpg Aug 11 02:05:58 * phil_bw wanders by Aug 11 02:10:44 on screen keyboards take some getting used to... Aug 11 02:12:24 phil_bw: You referring to the TouchPad's? Aug 11 02:13:12 no, pre gave up on life, on android now Aug 11 02:13:54 phil_bw: i'm a swypes fan for android Aug 11 02:14:12 still developing for webos, just can't use out on my phone anymore Aug 11 02:14:30 using swype right now actually Aug 11 02:16:44 phil_bw: what device? Aug 11 02:17:01 nexus s Aug 11 02:17:42 wow wtf is wrong w/ my pre 2 Aug 11 02:17:47 the keyboard is not working now Aug 11 02:17:49 yeah i have a nexus s as well Aug 11 02:17:57 i have to reboot Aug 11 02:18:01 love this thing Aug 11 02:18:20 i don't Aug 11 02:18:45 that makes me angry. my keyboard shouldn't just stop working Aug 11 02:19:07 also music playback shouldn't stop working every time u plug in a 3.5mm jack, but that's another story Aug 11 02:19:16 also the Pre 3 should be out by now Aug 11 02:19:31 also WHERE IS A 2.2 UPDATE Aug 11 02:19:38 2.1 SUCKS Aug 11 02:19:48 where is 3.0 update Aug 11 02:19:54 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aug 11 02:20:24 twbbas: coming months Aug 11 02:20:32 better than coming years Aug 11 02:20:33 fxspec06: +++++ Aug 11 02:20:42 http://www.pictorymag.com/showcases/eat-your-own-risk/ - crazy food Aug 11 02:20:47 scrollers in apps die all the time here Aug 11 02:20:54 device menu dies all the time Aug 11 02:21:40 akanster: I threw up in my mouth a little Aug 11 02:22:22 meh... if someone else calls it food, I am open to trying it. Aug 11 02:23:09 akanster: yeah ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Aug 11 02:23:43 HMMM, nomnomnom isn't going to like the TouchPad 4g Aug 11 02:23:56 there seems to only be "wifiAvailable" for device info Aug 11 02:24:11 you can't check "internetAvailable" Aug 11 02:24:15 * haeffb considers an Android phone on Sprint once again Aug 11 02:24:23 haeffb: go wp7 Aug 11 02:25:02 https://twitter.com/#!/JoeyAnthonyA/status/101472190511325184 Aug 11 02:25:07 Read his tweets after that too Aug 11 02:25:40 Tibfib: HTC Arrive is the only one I see Aug 11 02:25:49 twbbas: stupid staples Aug 11 02:26:03 android really isn't that bad... Aug 11 02:26:11 and considering Sprint's direction, I'm assuming that I'd grow to love WP7 and then not have an upgrade path. Aug 11 02:26:12 Tibfib: Did you see how they handled it with him? Aug 11 02:26:20 twbbas: yeah that's terrible Aug 11 02:26:34 HE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING Aug 11 02:26:44 cmon Staples!! Aug 11 02:27:09 man, that sucks Aug 11 02:27:18 wow Aug 11 02:27:27 that's just horrible on their part Aug 11 02:27:29 I like webos and android, you can do that Aug 11 02:27:36 he should call Staples back and go, "haha, I was just kidding!" Aug 11 02:27:44 akanster: LOL Aug 11 02:28:00 just like I like my volkswagen and my kia Aug 11 02:28:06 ebay the 2nd. profit. Aug 11 02:28:20 akanster: seriously, they're being losers Aug 11 02:28:26 or multi-task more efficiently Aug 11 02:28:33 one for each hand Aug 11 02:28:48 haeffb would agree with me Aug 11 02:28:59 I would, for $$$ Aug 11 02:29:26 lol weren't you the one that was joking earlier that every person should have a touchpad for each hand? Aug 11 02:29:36 no, that was sugardave. But I can be bought. Aug 11 02:29:39 oh Aug 11 02:29:49 my bad, sugardave would agree with me Aug 11 02:29:55 and he wasn't joking, he really believes that. Aug 11 02:30:02 haha Aug 11 02:30:04 lmao Aug 11 02:30:15 hahahaah Aug 11 02:30:26 has anyone used Glimpse? Aug 11 02:30:55 * haeffb is getting a BlackBerry at work. Maybe I should go BB on sprint... Aug 11 02:31:14 lolololol Aug 11 02:31:32 my sister's blackberry died a few days ago Aug 11 02:31:34 or, hey look. Sprint is still selling Palm Pixi's. Aug 11 02:31:41 she was holding out for the Pre 3 but had to end up getting the photon Aug 11 02:31:44 I seriously considered going back to my centro Aug 11 02:32:20 at least I can write apps quickly for palmos Aug 11 02:32:48 hah, like the only platform with less customers than webOS. Aug 11 02:33:03 lol Aug 11 02:33:16 hey its phil_bw Aug 11 02:33:19 apps for personal use Aug 11 02:33:26 phil_bw: fair enough :) Aug 11 02:34:31 oil, hows yakima? Aug 11 02:34:41 pretty good Aug 11 02:34:57 Yakima sounds like a Sumo wrestler's name Aug 11 02:35:14 or some tires Aug 11 02:35:25 Yakima versus E. Honda. Round One. Fight! Aug 11 02:35:36 granny is still kicking so we may make it up there again sometime Aug 11 02:35:41 Yakima Tires Aug 11 02:36:10 or yakima luggage racks maybe? Aug 11 02:36:15 its the palm springs of washington! Aug 11 02:36:31 * twbbas has a yakima bike rack Aug 11 02:36:37 yeah, and Branson is the Cancun of Missouri. Aug 11 02:36:48 wife kinda wanted to get a house there Aug 11 02:36:50 or Yakima stereo Aug 11 02:36:52 but that's not saying much. Aug 11 02:36:54 detroit is the... detroit of michigan Aug 11 02:37:02 seriously, there is this big ass sign next to the freeway Aug 11 02:37:02 I talked her out of that Aug 11 02:37:04 l,ol Aug 11 02:37:07 that people always try to get taken down Aug 11 02:37:12 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aATNQu8hcCI/TP6VMhVfZ9I/AAAAAAAACRk/pGpRrZdr6YU/s1600/yakima.jpg Aug 11 02:37:13 oil: lol Aug 11 02:37:16 its funny when it has snow on it Aug 11 02:37:19 Even Robocop couldn't fix Detroit Aug 11 02:37:26 oil: hahaa Aug 11 02:37:26 that place is done. Aug 11 02:37:28 Jeapers Aug 11 02:37:39 akanster: There were people trying to get a robocop statue in detroit Aug 11 02:37:43 didn't see that sign when I was there Aug 11 02:37:45 I heard Aug 11 02:37:45 its on private property though, so they can never get it taken down Aug 11 02:37:48 Palm Springs. But with apples. Aug 11 02:38:09 not for a lack of trying Aug 11 02:38:27 oil: I like the old skool western font! Aug 11 02:38:30 omg it's been 6 months since the Pre 3 was announced!!! Aug 11 02:38:36 lol Aug 11 02:38:38 Yakima Washington, sounds like Rice Rockets everywhere! Aug 11 02:38:55 Danger to the Manifold! Aug 11 02:39:05 yakima Aug 11 02:39:06 * haeffb is giving up on webOS phones. Aug 11 02:39:14 Just not gonna happen. Aug 11 02:39:18 where the traffic lights are sideways Aug 11 02:39:24 haeffb: Wait 15 years!!! Aug 11 02:39:28 lol Aug 11 02:39:44 I could have bought an EVO and been out of contract by now. Aug 11 02:40:12 right, funkatron? Aug 11 02:40:14 phil_bw: only some are sideways Aug 11 02:40:23 wrong. Aug 11 02:40:32 Tibfib got told. Aug 11 02:40:41 don't feel bad though oil, yakima its in good company. whitehorse yukon canada also has sideways traffic lights Aug 11 02:40:47 that I did. Aug 11 02:41:48 EVO 3D vs. Nexus S. Go. Aug 11 02:42:07 haeffb: Sprint Pre- Aug 11 02:42:29 I keed I keed Aug 11 02:43:04 I pretty much gave up on webos when I convinced the company I work for to go to pre 3s and they were on board... Then time came and went and came and went Aug 11 02:43:29 They finally got droid 3s instead Aug 11 02:44:13 ugh, why am I deving on a dying platform Aug 11 02:44:57 Being I pretty much support all things tech art my company I figured I better learn android Aug 11 02:45:20 Tib: I asked myself the same thing Aug 11 02:45:34 Tibfib: because it's not dead yet, and there's always that chance that it will take off. and if it does...... then you're set for life? Aug 11 02:45:35 small fish, small pond! Aug 11 02:45:48 http://smallpondapps.com Aug 11 02:45:49 twbbas: I'm a big fish dangit Aug 11 02:46:01 lol Aug 11 02:46:07 haeffb: I just got your company name Aug 11 02:46:09 fxspec06: sure. unfortunately it's been like that for 2+ years. Aug 11 02:46:10 clever Aug 11 02:46:12 inorite? Aug 11 02:46:23 "I'm not dead yet" "I'm getting better ..." Aug 11 02:46:57 rwhitby: Adora refuses to follow your "don't blame oil" edict. Aug 11 02:47:15 I think if I can't go cross-platform with enyo, and nothing has changed by the end of the year, webOS won't be my focus anymore. Aug 11 02:47:19 just in case you didn't notice. Aug 11 02:47:20 haeffb: Adora is a rebel Aug 11 02:47:26 rwhitby: but you're a dictator Aug 11 02:47:32 crush the resistance Aug 11 02:47:32 lol Aug 11 02:47:37 we shall duel when next we meet Aug 11 02:47:45 how much are tickets? Aug 11 02:48:22 three stone coins, and a small fish Aug 11 02:48:26 the weapon shall be the sliders on webOS phones Aug 11 02:48:34 choose your weapon Aug 11 02:48:54 tickets are sold in australian dollars - you guys won't be able to afford them with your AAA-- economy Aug 11 02:49:04 you funny guy! Aug 11 02:49:23 * Loudergood loads up on loonie dollars Aug 11 02:49:37 maybe if we all put together our spare pre parts we can sell them and one of us can go Aug 11 02:49:54 Loudergood: disney currency is probably worth more these days, right? Aug 11 02:50:30 * haeffb has a Pre2 sitting in a drawer doing nothing....Maybe I can ebay that for a ticket. Aug 11 02:50:49 actually I was talking canadian, they have the same natural resources export scheme going that you guys do Aug 11 02:54:46 rwhitby: I know the Browning method, "split down the middle", Elizabethan, and injecting air from a basketball pump. Aug 11 02:55:23 What are some other ways of skinning a cat? Aug 11 02:55:40 it Aug 11 02:56:47 DraX: what do you not like about the Nexus S ? Aug 11 02:58:28 haeffb: my power/lock button sometimes decides to not work (some other coworkers report the same issue) in a way that feels like software Aug 11 02:58:30 haeffb: change it's tokens so it thinks it's a snake and then skins itself. Aug 11 02:58:51 the signal strength is alright but not great **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 11 02:59:56 2011