**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 12 02:59:59 2011 Aug 12 03:00:06 twbbas: you are a smart man Aug 12 03:01:22 can't you like set up an rss feed of a twitter account? Aug 12 03:02:10 Tibfib: http://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.rss?screen_name=tibfib Aug 12 03:02:24 Now you can test perfectly :) Aug 12 03:02:37 lolz Aug 12 03:02:42 perfect Aug 12 03:03:02 Dangit. I can't copy and paste from the emulator Aug 12 03:03:08 lol Aug 12 03:03:09 haha Aug 12 03:03:11 from my desktop Aug 12 03:03:15 you're not the first person to get owned by that Aug 12 03:05:34 hmm.. why won't my orientation change? http://pastebin.com/aKF85iKv Aug 12 03:05:40 hrmmmm, google reader won't let me add the feed Aug 12 03:05:53 setWindowOrientation Aug 12 03:05:56 yep Aug 12 03:05:59 PatrickC: not proper camelcase Aug 12 03:05:59 was just about to type that Aug 12 03:06:03 * Tibfib wins Aug 12 03:06:04 Tibfib beat me Aug 12 03:06:05 :( Aug 12 03:06:12 I HAD IT 80% typed out Aug 12 03:06:18 wow.. I should have seen that :/ Aug 12 03:06:25 you're getting old Aug 12 03:06:25 thanks Aug 12 03:06:27 like I said in pm Aug 12 03:06:35 lol Aug 12 03:06:35 haha Aug 12 03:06:43 Tibfib: that. kid. is. bat. shit. crazy. Aug 12 03:07:02 * Tibfib for a second thought akanster was talking about him Aug 12 03:07:08 then I realized the gizmodo article Aug 12 03:07:10 lol Aug 12 03:07:12 yeah Aug 12 03:07:12 (hopefully? Aug 12 03:07:19 * PatrickC fixed it Aug 12 03:07:27 thanks to the great and awesome Tibfib Aug 12 03:07:51 wait, just realized I need my app full-screen now rotated.. haha Aug 12 03:08:14 "not" instead of "now", right? Aug 12 03:08:34 yes Aug 12 03:08:51 time to find the code! Aug 12 03:14:55 in my activate() method I'm trying to make the app full screen, but it doesn't work http://pastebin.com/A1g2UvJw Aug 12 03:21:03 any palm forum admins around? Aug 12 03:21:47 PatrickC: Try removing the "" surrounding true Aug 12 03:21:58 hiya Aug 12 03:22:09 twbbas: doh you beat me. scoundrel Aug 12 03:22:17 * twbbas wins this round Aug 12 03:22:26 unfair, I was actually developing Aug 12 03:22:31 me too! Aug 12 03:22:33 totally fair Aug 12 03:22:37 bah! Aug 12 03:22:41 1-1 tied Aug 12 03:26:21 OH, my twitter testing account is private Aug 12 03:27:51 PuffTheMagic: so if I wanted to develop a music player, would the UI stuff be in enyo and then any codecs would be developed using c/c++? Aug 12 03:28:03 oh, well I still can't add it Aug 12 03:28:23 seems like there are a fair number of codecs built into webOS Aug 12 03:28:31 yep Aug 12 03:28:42 is there a mechanism to add new ones? Aug 12 03:28:48 I don't think so Aug 12 03:29:20 I know that audiophile HD plays flac but it would be nice to have a music player with an interface like the email app, like foobar2000 Aug 12 03:29:47 * Tibfib hopes to make a spotify+music app in teh future Aug 12 03:30:03 right Aug 12 03:30:05 does spotify have an open api? Aug 12 03:30:14 for non-commercial use Aug 12 03:30:17 so, browser feature requests? Aug 12 03:30:18 that would be surprising Aug 12 03:30:30 DraX: not sucking Aug 12 03:30:33 DraX: browser feature requests? You develop the browser? Aug 12 03:30:46 non-commerical use APIs suck :( Aug 12 03:30:47 drobbins: no, but i'm thinking of a bunch of patches i want Aug 12 03:30:51 DraX: I have found that if you search for anything on amazon.com, the search results page is blank Aug 12 03:30:58 I think all of my wants for browsing involve fixing stuff broken in the webOS webkit Aug 12 03:30:59 akanster: true Aug 12 03:31:08 but I want a spotify app bad enough I'd make it for free Aug 12 03:31:08 DraX: other things I'd like are fixes so that mog.com's interface runs and works :) Aug 12 03:31:09 i have not seen that issue, i have seen a few broken pages though Aug 12 03:31:18 yeah not thinking about the webkit side Aug 12 03:31:20 just the UI side :) Aug 12 03:31:26 ah Aug 12 03:31:28 hmmmmm Aug 12 03:31:32 Tibfib: That's what keeping people away from the Yahoo Fantasy Sport API :( Aug 12 03:31:34 i don't have access to the webkit side after all Aug 12 03:31:42 copout Aug 12 03:32:02 DraX: save bookmarks to dropbox Aug 12 03:32:03 someone update your dang rss feed Aug 12 03:32:12 GOOGLE BOOKMARK SYNC Aug 12 03:32:15 DraX: I like saving individual hyperlinks to dropbox in folders. Aug 12 03:32:47 DraX: also, I'd like to open hyperlinks that I have saved on dropbox Aug 12 03:32:54 i've never used dropbox before.. Aug 12 03:32:55 GET TO IT PUNK Aug 12 03:33:07 DraX: it's a nice service, and not enough things on WebOS support it Aug 12 03:33:16 DraX: there should be hooks for it in the SDK Aug 12 03:33:24 google docs/dropbox Aug 12 03:33:37 i've been subjected to google docs Aug 12 03:33:41 dropbox has a REST-based API that shouldn't be too hard to use if they just handle auth for you Aug 12 03:33:42 horrible Aug 12 03:33:45 dropbox is MUCH better Aug 12 03:33:48 google docs sucks Aug 12 03:34:09 lol @ DraX Aug 12 03:34:16 bad google employee Aug 12 03:34:21 drobbins, do you want to make a music player that is official and submit it to the catalog Aug 12 03:34:22 one of the things i want to do is a general way to extend open-link-in-app Aug 12 03:34:26 if not, there are many more options Aug 12 03:34:33 Tibfib: yeah i have a dislike for almost every google product Aug 12 03:34:39 lol Aug 12 03:34:40 Tibfib: i'm a terrible in that way :) Aug 12 03:34:43 PuffTheMagic: you mean there are homebrew optionst that are not available to catalog apps? Aug 12 03:35:02 PuffTheMagic: really, I'd just like a cool foobar2000-style music player that supports flac. Aug 12 03:35:02 Preware! Aug 12 03:35:25 I'm all Bing, all the time Aug 12 03:35:25 drobbins: feel free to help out with my kotify app Aug 12 03:35:26 flac Aug 12 03:35:35 (no, that's not what it will be called) Aug 12 03:35:43 google search is one of the few products i actually respect from google :) Aug 12 03:36:01 i was surprised by the lack of ogg/vorbis support Aug 12 03:36:07 Tibfib: what is that app Aug 12 03:36:15 drobbins: just the app I'm gonna work on eventually Aug 12 03:36:20 drobbins, the ui does not have to be in enyo, for example, you could use EFL and the new Elementary widget set and make your whole ui in C Aug 12 03:36:20 maps, search and gmail i don't have major issues with (basically in that order) Aug 12 03:36:22 spotify + music Aug 12 03:36:32 will work without spotify, but will work WITH spotify Aug 12 03:36:43 ah cool Aug 12 03:36:47 Tibfib: do you like foobar2000? Aug 12 03:36:54 * Tibfib dunnos what that is Aug 12 03:37:05 Tibfib: I think a foobar2000-style interface using the new enyo controls a la email app would rock Aug 12 03:37:22 Tibfib: it's a windows-based music player, very minimalist UI. Aug 12 03:37:28 * Tibfib googles Aug 12 03:37:32 obscenely customizable Aug 12 03:37:33 * Tibfib err, bings Aug 12 03:37:35 foobar2000 is the best thing since winamp Aug 12 03:37:40 that would be neato Aug 12 03:37:56 i haven't seen windows in so long... Aug 12 03:37:59 who still uses that? Aug 12 03:37:59 interesting Aug 12 03:38:01 I'm out! Aug 12 03:38:20 drobbins, enyo would be nice for foobar2000 clone, you could use C/SDL plugins to do the visualization :D Aug 12 03:38:23 drobbins: probably not like that Aug 12 03:38:36 it would be a better version of the stock player Aug 12 03:38:44 too bad there is no good multicolumn list widget in webos Aug 12 03:38:46 combo of the stock player + grooveshark + spotify Aug 12 03:38:51 PuffTheMagic: no kidding Aug 12 03:38:59 (ui wise) Aug 12 03:39:08 spec'd it out a while ago Aug 12 03:39:13 wait, people actualy use grooveshark? Aug 12 03:39:15 Tibfib: main feature I'm interested in is a simple, multi-layered browser like the email ui Aug 12 03:39:21 Tibfib: get to music you want quickly. Aug 12 03:39:31 drobbins: not a fan of stock player? Aug 12 03:39:41 I should try it :) Aug 12 03:39:47 hah Aug 12 03:40:07 I've just been using pandora so far :) Aug 12 03:40:22 they need to get that ported to enyo Aug 12 03:40:31 emu mode is lam Aug 12 03:40:32 e Aug 12 03:40:43 * Tibfib TP IS ON THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY Aug 12 03:40:59 s/Tibfib/Tibfib's/ Aug 12 03:41:01 are there any lossless formats supported? Aug 12 03:41:08 in the stock player? Aug 12 03:41:12 drobbins: I don't believe so Aug 12 03:41:39 :/ Aug 12 03:41:49 drobbins, why not make a xmm2/mpd gui Aug 12 03:42:08 that would be dead easy Aug 12 03:42:43 how so? Aug 12 03:42:44 thats what i did for my car computer Aug 12 03:43:09 * DraX is wearing an xmms2 tshirt right now... Aug 12 03:43:16 drobbins, well they are both daemons that handle every music codec under the sun Aug 12 03:43:53 oh Aug 12 03:43:55 and it think they can be controlled over tcp sockets Aug 12 03:43:56 so you just port it Aug 12 03:44:05 no you dont port anything Aug 12 03:44:17 install the daemon and it manages your collections and plays the music on your hw Aug 12 03:44:21 twbbas: that worked, thanks Aug 12 03:44:25 PuffTheMagic: ah ok Aug 12 03:44:32 you just have to make a thin ui wrapper that controls the daemon Aug 12 03:44:38 PuffTheMagic: so you would install it on another system, and then use the touchpad as a UI Aug 12 03:45:04 you could do that, but you could also install it on your touchpad Aug 12 03:45:20 that's what I meant by port Aug 12 03:45:21 there are already a number of xmms2 webuis Aug 12 03:45:49 dawm, ya but the all suck Aug 12 03:45:54 Tibfib: loaner? Aug 12 03:45:55 a native enyo ui would be nice Aug 12 03:46:00 akanster: nope Aug 12 03:46:10 well, yay then Aug 12 03:46:13 :) Aug 12 03:46:43 now to get the UI done Aug 12 03:46:48 yeah, FINALLY Aug 12 03:47:29 does enyo.windows.getActiveWindow() return undefined if in card view? Aug 12 03:47:47 ohhhhh Aug 12 03:47:52 it's probably returning the dashboard Aug 12 03:48:46 * PatrickC has 3 cmd lines running Aug 12 03:49:50 what's it called in linux how you have 4 "desktops"? Aug 12 03:50:06 virtual desktops Aug 12 03:50:39 really? hmm.. I wonder if there's something like that for windows xp.. Aug 12 03:51:18 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9908/hackers-inch-towards-palm-webos-ogg-and-flac-support/ Aug 12 03:51:27 workspace! Aug 12 03:51:27 ^^^ anyone know anything about this? flac via gstreamer? Aug 12 03:52:34 oh ya Aug 12 03:52:34 th Aug 12 03:52:38 thats pretty easy to Aug 12 03:52:47 gstreamer that is Aug 12 03:52:50 then ogg and flac would just work Aug 12 03:52:55 everywhere Aug 12 03:52:55 pretty much Aug 12 03:52:57 that would be nice. Aug 12 03:53:03 then I could use the built-in music app. Aug 12 03:53:10 well Aug 12 03:53:13 sorta Aug 12 03:53:16 drobbins: the media indexer doesn't report flac Aug 12 03:53:27 sooo you couldn't. Aug 12 03:53:30 so with minor hacks, it could work Aug 12 03:53:58 or, like you could encode your music into a format thats widely supported. Aug 12 03:53:58 we really need to re the indexer Aug 12 03:53:58 probably. dunno how deep into the OS the indexer is Aug 12 03:54:03 its just an inotify daemon Aug 12 03:54:10 should be hard to figure out what it does Aug 12 03:54:25 rwatkins: pshhhawww Aug 12 03:54:43 i've been surprised with how successful i've been running strings on palm binaries Aug 12 03:54:46 to figure out pathes and stuff Aug 12 03:54:50 PuffTheMagic: yep, so HP has all their patches to the original source online to comply with the GPL. Aug 12 03:54:57 cuz thats what I did when I ripped my 800 cds - I put them into a neato obscure format. Aug 12 03:55:12 PuffTheMagic: so getting a working plugin should be possible. Aug 12 03:55:36 installing custom gst plugins is easy, I did it when i was playing around with video recording (before palm had video) Aug 12 03:56:26 PuffTheMagic: so you've done it before then Aug 12 03:56:46 ya, i've build all of good, and bad and some of ugly Aug 12 03:56:51 didnt test them all, but got most to build Aug 12 03:56:58 i was mostly interested in the video stuff then Aug 12 03:57:19 drobbins, i just used gentoo ebuilds for them Aug 12 03:57:27 older ones from the cvs history Aug 12 03:57:34 to match what is installed on webos Aug 12 03:57:39 ok Aug 12 03:58:03 i had them in an overlay at one point Aug 12 03:58:32 deleted it too many times tough and never pushed it to a git repo Aug 12 03:58:36 so can you avoid the indexer? Aug 12 03:58:48 not if you want the files to show up in stock apps Aug 12 03:59:28 but a custom app would have no problem finding and playing the file Aug 12 03:59:42 right Aug 12 03:59:51 but xmms2/mpd would still be easier Aug 12 04:00:01 cause they both handle media collections for you Aug 12 04:00:01 wll Aug 12 04:00:02 well Aug 12 04:00:28 would be nice if HP just flipped a switch and included flac next release. Aug 12 04:00:41 Im sure its high on the list Aug 12 04:00:57 rwatkins: you think so? Aug 12 04:01:01 no Aug 12 04:01:08 sarcasm? Aug 12 04:01:21 usually. Aug 12 04:01:29 there is no shortage of that here Aug 12 04:01:42 the devs are located in Austin? Aug 12 04:02:19 ugh.. I hate css Aug 12 04:02:25 I can never get it to work Aug 12 04:02:38 WOOHOO Aug 12 04:02:43 what? Aug 12 04:02:45 gizmodo posted a new article Aug 12 04:02:52 notification, boo yah Aug 12 04:03:00 heh Aug 12 04:03:19 gosh I really need a TP for this Aug 12 04:03:50 so you can see your notification slide out, sit there for ~5 seconds and then slide back? Aug 12 04:03:52 i need to 2 extra days per week to work on TP apps Aug 12 04:04:17 dashboards and notification on the TP are pretty slick tho Aug 12 04:04:40 alot more useful than on the phone where I always wanna just toss them away asap. Aug 12 04:04:41 rwatkins: emulator sucks Aug 12 04:05:47 using 100% in css will make it scale to the size of the screen its on, right? Aug 12 04:05:54 Tibfib: emulator more annoying that Dev in Chrome, but not to crappy as far as emulators go. Aug 12 04:06:03 hate dealing with the android emulators. Aug 12 04:06:08 rwatkins: fair enough Aug 12 04:06:11 and dont even ask me about the RIM ones. Aug 12 04:06:43 lost a half a day of my life to nothing more than local DNS setup to deal with craptastic RIM emulators. Aug 12 04:06:44 man.. I'm loving multiple workspaces on windows :D Aug 12 04:07:18 hmm.. should I go custom UI, or palm-style? Aug 12 04:07:38 PatrickC: love it until an app starts putting things in the wrong workspace by default. like say Photoshop. Aug 12 04:08:13 mmm tiling window manager Aug 12 04:08:19 rwatkins: I dont think this windows one will put it into a workspace you aren't in.. Aug 12 04:10:51 PatrickC: palm style. Aug 12 04:11:47 hmm.. I'll probably do that for now Aug 12 04:16:10 bored Aug 12 04:16:29 ugh, I'm about just ready to throw my IAP code into my app and submit without testing Aug 12 04:17:59 wait, webos doesn't support svg, does it? Aug 12 04:18:11 no Aug 12 04:18:19 nor webgl Aug 12 04:18:32 UGHHH, I'm tired of working on notifications Aug 12 04:18:35 png it is Aug 12 04:19:31 this app will be a very interesting project for me Aug 12 04:19:42 what's your % for finishing a project? Aug 12 04:19:54 css Aug 12 04:20:11 :? Aug 12 04:20:26 like 100% instead of 480px Aug 12 04:20:27 Tibfib: pretty sure he hasn't finish anything since i've started hanging out here Aug 12 04:20:59 I can't even fathom what PatrickC thought I said Aug 12 04:21:14 he's in css thought mode Aug 12 04:21:14 Tibfib: ah, I get it now Aug 12 04:21:19 rwatkins: yep Aug 12 04:21:25 rwatkins: lol Aug 12 04:21:37 if you had said "point" he'd be "what, pt?" Aug 12 04:21:38 trying to figure out how to get a small image out of a big one Aug 12 04:21:53 use less than 100% Aug 12 04:21:56 boom. Aug 12 04:21:59 lolololol Aug 12 04:22:05 Tibfib: I've kinda been bouncing around between ideas Aug 12 04:22:18 90% of the code means 50% done. Aug 12 04:22:29 yeah Aug 12 04:22:32 * DraX hates polishing Aug 12 04:22:34 I had a quick question about the increase sensitivity app. would that allow for more accurate input with a stylus? Aug 12 04:22:37 rwatkins: sooo true for nomnomnom Aug 12 04:22:39 patch Aug 12 04:22:41 twbbas: I made an object with Inkscape, but it didn't export *only* the object I made Aug 12 04:22:48 it did the entire thing Aug 12 04:22:52 that sounds like a personal problem Aug 12 04:23:02 PatrickC: That's why I have a graphics guy ;) Aug 12 04:23:03 Tibfib: it is, and I'll fix it tomorrow Aug 12 04:23:04 heh Aug 12 04:23:13 aka... my brother Aug 12 04:23:15 twbbas: me tooo! Found an awesome one Aug 12 04:23:17 twbbas: some of us can't afford/don't have one :) Aug 12 04:23:20 well, he found me Aug 12 04:23:24 A++++++ Aug 12 04:23:28 nomnomnom looks awesome Aug 12 04:23:28 "thats what she said!" Aug 12 04:23:31 My 2 brothers and I do 33, 33, 33 split Aug 12 04:23:34 ;) Aug 12 04:23:43 I don't have to touch any graphics Aug 12 04:23:43 heh, what does your 2nd bro do? Aug 12 04:24:01 I have someone who helps with graphics as needed, but I want to learn how too Aug 12 04:24:06 that way I can do it later Aug 12 04:24:06 well, 1 is currently in the middle of the pacific somewhere on a sub... so he doesn't do anything right now Aug 12 04:24:11 lol Aug 12 04:24:13 but he's a coder. Mainly the server stuff Aug 12 04:24:15 lol Aug 12 04:24:25 My other brother mainly does the image stuff but he made a simple app Aug 12 04:24:30 * Tibfib wish he had brothers that were into computer stuff Aug 12 04:24:31 (using ares) Aug 12 04:24:47 I'm quite alone in my family Aug 12 04:24:56 Tibfib: Ya, my sub brother graduated with computer and electrical engineering Aug 12 04:24:57 * PatrickC wishes he had a brother who could understand anything about computers Aug 12 04:24:58 my parents are awful at technology Aug 12 04:25:05 brother doesn't care much Aug 12 04:25:09 7 year olds.. lol Aug 12 04:25:11 sister is super busy. Aug 12 04:25:19 twbbas: nice Aug 12 04:25:38 my brothers and I are the only "techy" ones in our family Aug 12 04:26:03 I think I've told this before but I recently taught my Dad he can open more than 1 app at a time on his Pixi Aug 12 04:26:09 lololol Aug 12 04:26:14 haha Aug 12 04:26:29 people do the same with windows still Aug 12 04:26:47 my mom and dad use browser windows instead of tabs Aug 12 04:26:56 it kills me Aug 12 04:26:58 haha Aug 12 04:27:02 that woudl kill me Aug 12 04:27:09 they got tabs- there right there at the bottom dock. Aug 12 04:27:13 I go to my mom's computer and I see over 10 browser windows in the task bar Aug 12 04:27:18 i got my mom on chrome. she's tabbing it up Aug 12 04:27:22 nice Aug 12 04:27:37 my parents can use tabs Aug 12 04:27:41 WIN! Aug 12 04:27:56 got my grandma on linux Aug 12 04:28:00 lollllllll Aug 12 04:28:01 the problem is that I showed my dad tabs once and set it as the default and then he kept "losing" his webpages... so I switched him back to windows Aug 12 04:28:04 kirksutton: LOL Aug 12 04:28:14 twbbas: haha Aug 12 04:28:19 buy him another stick of ram and call it a day. Aug 12 04:28:26 same effect. Aug 12 04:28:32 twbbas: she's running 10.10 ubuntu Aug 12 04:28:45 kirksutton: That's... awesome Aug 12 04:28:53 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/new-game.490/ Aug 12 04:29:22 I did have this problem where I acted as tech support for both my mother and my father. Aug 12 04:29:27 So I bought them both macs. Aug 12 04:29:30 Haven't gotten a call since. Aug 12 04:29:30 haha Aug 12 04:29:45 <--- has to help his Dad with his computer at least twice a week Aug 12 04:29:47 lol Aug 12 04:29:54 I realize it's pricey. Aug 12 04:29:56 Today I taught my Dad privacy settings on Facebook Aug 12 04:29:57 I'm just saying, it does work. Aug 12 04:30:05 * PatrickC never helps his dad with computers Aug 12 04:30:08 So it's a tradeoff. What's your time worth? Aug 12 04:30:09 my dad builds them Aug 12 04:30:14 esser: yep Aug 12 04:30:24 PatrickC: lucky Aug 12 04:30:27 is it possible to view a youtube video in webos? Aug 12 04:30:29 :) Aug 12 04:30:37 pi31415: In the browser? Aug 12 04:30:44 pi31415: there is a youtube app... on the phones Aug 12 04:31:05 how about on the touchpad? Aug 12 04:31:08 and on tablets you can watch the browser crash every few videos and re-render the page and try again. Aug 12 04:31:17 pi31415: No app on TouchPad. The site runs just fine with Flash. Aug 12 04:31:22 i am trying the emulator and it tells me I need to update flash player Aug 12 04:31:30 for various definitions of "just fine"> Aug 12 04:31:49 no flash in emulator Aug 12 04:31:49 rwatkins: I've not had any problems with youtube on my TP. Other flash sites, yes. Aug 12 04:31:57 no license, wrong cpu architecture. Aug 12 04:31:59 twbbas: I show my parents how to use facebook all the time Aug 12 04:32:05 i have been fine with youtube videos as well Aug 12 04:32:05 "now will everyone see this?" Aug 12 04:32:12 rwatkins, thanks for the info Aug 12 04:32:14 "how do I hide this person?" Aug 12 04:32:20 Tibfib: haha yeah Aug 12 04:32:30 I told them never to get facebook Aug 12 04:32:35 Tibfib: My Dad likes to block people now that I showed him how to Aug 12 04:32:39 hahaah Aug 12 04:32:44 I LOVE blocking people Aug 12 04:32:47 Tibfib: He started randomly blocking people because they "looked funny" Aug 12 04:32:48 agreed Aug 12 04:32:57 lol Aug 12 04:33:11 lol Aug 12 04:33:21 I think I've only blocked 2 people on FB Aug 12 04:33:44 twbbas: step up your game Aug 12 04:33:51 blocked several of the people from highschool that I never hung out with or liked to begin with, much less now. Aug 12 04:34:04 I post on FB about once a month Aug 12 04:34:10 hardly use it Aug 12 04:34:17 * Tibfib has been using it a lot more lately Aug 12 04:34:19 i deleted my fb account a while back Aug 12 04:34:23 I use G+ and Twitter Aug 12 04:34:26 ooo Aug 12 04:34:34 i use internal g+ but not public g+, and don't like it Aug 12 04:34:43 i only use g+. i still can't stand twitter Aug 12 04:34:48 i like twitter Aug 12 04:34:49 DraX: you and your Googleness :) Aug 12 04:34:59 DraX: you work @ google? Aug 12 04:35:00 DraX: lol. Aug 12 04:35:06 twbbas: i know Skud ;) Aug 12 04:35:08 rwatkins: yes Aug 12 04:35:14 ah, so they just block your fb access at the firewall then. :) Aug 12 04:35:26 haha Aug 12 04:35:40 DraX: When will I see Google Games on my account? :D Aug 12 04:35:44 NOTIFICATIONS BETTER WORK PERFECTLY NOW Aug 12 04:35:51 actually skud was at the startup i came in through Aug 12 04:35:54 Tibfib: Congratulations! Here's a cookie! Aug 12 04:35:57 the first google game better be checkers Aug 12 04:35:58 * twbbas hands Tibfib a cookie Aug 12 04:36:00 so i worked 20ft from skud Aug 12 04:36:06 twbbas: key word: "better" Aug 12 04:36:13 twbbas: i have no idea, i saw some stuff about games but ignored it Aug 12 04:36:17 Tibfib: Oh, I missed that Aug 12 04:36:24 * Tibfib is running out of random rss feeds to add Aug 12 04:36:31 Tibfib: add my twitter account Aug 12 04:36:40 doesn't work well Aug 12 04:36:45 oh Aug 12 04:36:49 Tibfib: add a delicious tag feed - endless notifications Aug 12 04:37:14 DraX: people kind of miss the point og G+ groups Aug 12 04:37:24 circles? Aug 12 04:37:26 which is mostly the reason it's so terribly annoying sometimes Aug 12 04:37:27 rwhitby: nice Aug 12 04:37:29 i have one circle Aug 12 04:37:29 esser: circles Aug 12 04:37:30 coworkers Aug 12 04:37:30 yes, circles, whatever you wanna call them Aug 12 04:37:40 other rw Aug 12 04:37:51 * Tibfib finds "oil" tag Aug 12 04:37:51 for example, i really shouldn't be seeing posts about kids riding bikes in my 'php' circle Aug 12 04:37:58 esser: +1 Aug 12 04:38:00 because i am pretty sure those are just people i know from the php world Aug 12 04:38:05 http://feeds.delicious.com/v2/rss/tag/google?count=100 Aug 12 04:38:09 and they are too fucking lazy to click anything except post public Aug 12 04:38:33 i agree. but sometimes i want to post something to public and think twice because i am spamming a bunch of people Aug 12 04:38:45 might i suggest just removing post public? :) Aug 12 04:38:49 i want there to be a way to subtract a group from a post Aug 12 04:38:51 They should make an "exclude" thing Aug 12 04:38:59 maybe when they are forced to click each group, they will wonder, "will these people actually ca...no they wont" Aug 12 04:39:10 omg, lets implement set arithmatic for posts! Aug 12 04:39:23 no let's not Aug 12 04:39:26 do it Aug 12 04:39:27 let's just remove post public Aug 12 04:39:34 no i like public post Aug 12 04:39:35 circle X AND circle Y or circle Z! Aug 12 04:39:50 public - subset Aug 12 04:39:53 minus Aug 12 04:40:03 * PatrickC is off to bed Aug 12 04:40:05 night Aug 12 04:40:06 yeah, i don't even use the thing :) Aug 12 04:40:12 PatrickC: Good idea Aug 12 04:41:18 although i guess making it more idiot proof will just prove the existence of a better idiot Aug 12 04:42:11 "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." Aug 12 04:42:39 rwatkins: and that goes for APIs for syncing/caching data too ;) Aug 12 04:43:31 syncing in the generic case is a tough problem, in the specific case often not so much. Aug 12 04:43:37 esser: lol Aug 12 04:43:53 rwatkins: who is that from? Aug 12 04:43:59 hedami tweeted the need for a native pinball app for the touchpad Aug 12 04:44:07 lol Aug 12 04:44:09 Fools? Douglas Adams Aug 12 04:44:21 how about ubuntu chroot with wine to run space cadet pinball? Aug 12 04:44:28 yesssssssssssssssssss Aug 12 04:44:38 rwatkins: that delicious tag was updating super fast Aug 12 04:44:41 but now it slowed down Aug 12 04:44:42 :/ Aug 12 04:44:43 omg patrickc left Aug 12 04:44:54 i was gonna go to bed but i think i may talk in here for a bit now Aug 12 04:45:01 lolol Aug 12 04:45:07 aww, poor patrickc Aug 12 04:45:11 no i can't. i need sleep Aug 12 04:45:11 pick a bigger tag topic - say "justin bieber" Aug 12 04:45:21 l8er Aug 12 04:45:27 hmmm Aug 12 04:46:25 I have decided to voice my objections. https://plus.google.com/107538276080455296400/posts Aug 12 04:46:31 I am sure I am going to get absolute mauled for this. Aug 12 04:46:33 But it needed to be said. Aug 12 04:46:40 *absolutely Aug 12 04:47:23 rwatkins: it might be capped Aug 12 04:48:00 Tibfib: ah, perhaps. subbed to the javascript feed at one point. used to just flood my main google reader feed. Aug 12 04:48:18 looks like it is capped or something Aug 12 04:48:26 because google reader isn't updating unread counts Aug 12 04:48:51 they may only generate the feed ever x minutes, but then back date the time of the new entries. Aug 12 04:49:12 rwatkins: feed seems to be live Aug 12 04:49:22 oh, you mean google itself Aug 12 04:49:42 no, delicious. those are just entries tagged 'google' Aug 12 04:49:45 oh Aug 12 04:49:48 haha Aug 12 04:49:51 but hm, ya now that you mention yet. Aug 12 04:49:54 duh Aug 12 04:50:01 delicious' rss feed is live Aug 12 04:50:23 DANGIT, SOMEONE UPDATE YOUR DANG ARTICLE Aug 12 04:50:48 * Tibfib has genious idea Aug 12 04:50:54 "faking" notifications! Aug 12 04:50:58 amismart or amismart? Aug 12 04:52:26 * Tibfib takes the silence as the latter Aug 12 04:53:22 then try it on a TP and find the bug where notification icons are garbled. Aug 12 04:53:59 :'( Aug 12 04:54:15 only happens in some scenarios. maybe you get lucky. Aug 12 05:07:33 sooo I am about 60% positive notifications work properly Aug 12 05:08:03 the appear to, but we all know that is not always what is true Aug 12 05:17:12 twbbas_, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis: you've got mail soon Aug 12 05:32:16 Does anyone know if there is documentation on writing synergy storage apps? Aug 12 05:34:24 Lumiere: I've asked the same question, without a good answer. Aug 12 05:36:14 good to hear Aug 12 05:37:52 I really want to write an sftp storage app :) Aug 12 05:39:22 sshfs would be awesome Aug 12 05:39:44 you could use a fuse driver for it Aug 12 05:40:32 rwhitby: there is already one Aug 12 05:41:01 right, that's what I mean - use the existing sshfs fuse driver for your synergy storage app Aug 12 05:42:15 yea Aug 12 05:42:15 * rwhitby imagines bind mounting an appdir from his laptop - instant debug/run cycles Aug 12 05:42:45 and I imagine mounting the compile dir from my test server Aug 12 05:42:52 to use tide Aug 12 05:42:57 :) Aug 12 06:16:38 Good morning Aug 12 06:36:29 g'day hotdp Aug 12 06:41:45 hi hotdp, rwhitby! Aug 12 06:45:55 rwhitby: do you know if you have signed in on a TP with a eu profile, if it is still posible to create and use a usa profile on the tp ? Aug 12 06:50:14 hotdp: in my experience, it's a once-off choice per device. Aug 12 06:50:35 also tp? Aug 12 06:50:49 on touchpad you get to make the choice once. Aug 12 06:50:55 ok Aug 12 06:50:56 on other devices you don't get the choice at all. Aug 12 06:50:57 Thanks Aug 12 06:51:09 so it is an improvement, just ;) Aug 12 06:51:29 I guess my chance has passed, i don't know how i could forget Aug 12 06:51:35 guess it was to shiny Aug 12 06:52:43 :( Aug 12 06:52:54 the first hour is the riskiest Aug 12 06:53:12 it does say clearly "this can not be changed" Aug 12 06:55:05 I am not bitter Aug 12 06:55:10 its just a shame :) Aug 12 12:54:54 =\ i think I got two one star reviews for TP last night. oh well Aug 12 13:52:55 anyone around in here? Aug 12 13:56:32 HattCzech_work: whats up? Aug 12 13:57:53 does anyone know what happened to the swipe to delete e-mail on touchpad where it doesn't delete the e-mail when you try to delete another? Aug 12 13:58:08 i can clarify that if it doesn't make sense Aug 12 13:58:48 swipe to delete on palm pre -> swipe, it asks if you want to delete or cancel... swipe another one, and it deletes the previous one and asks about the current one Aug 12 14:00:34 sup dudettes Aug 12 14:24:12 i just submitted update to Pre version of wild'n Aug 12 14:24:36 wasn't able to select minimum OS of 1.4.5 for some odd reason... so i put at top of reviewers notes and crossed fingers Aug 12 14:25:39 Also......... what does Processing Submission mean? Aug 12 14:30:29 hey all Aug 12 14:32:57 PatrickC_, Did you see Tron Legacy? the place with the video games in cabinets, that's called an Arcade :) Aug 12 14:33:09 haha Aug 12 14:33:17 my dad used to run an arcade :) Aug 12 14:33:39 and yes, I did see Tron Legacy :) Aug 12 14:33:42 NuttyBunny-------- best use of surround sound ever Aug 12 14:33:56 i need to watch it again. it was. omg amazing Aug 12 14:34:09 I wonder how many TouchPad apps there actually are Aug 12 14:34:16 i couldn't turn my onkyo below 68 Aug 12 14:34:25 fxspec06_: Good soundtrack, too Aug 12 14:34:42 which reminds me, i need a new reciever. 90WPC isn't enough Aug 12 14:34:48 i need 125 Aug 12 14:34:51 >.> Aug 12 14:34:53 and another sub Aug 12 14:35:07 I need to learn how to use gameQuery Aug 12 14:35:10 and jQuery Aug 12 14:35:13 fxspec06_, IGNTNUNLMTD: Yep !! Great one!!! Too bad I have an "el cheapo" (as you guys say) Home Theather ;) Aug 12 14:35:23 IGNTNUNLMTD: yo did you get the TouchPad update? Aug 12 14:35:26 if it's 90W per channel RMS that shoul dway enough Aug 12 14:35:33 Tibfib: Installing now! Aug 12 14:35:35 s/TouchPad/nomnomnom/ Aug 12 14:35:36 should be enough Aug 12 14:35:39 NuttyBunny: if you can, dude, go visit a buddy who has a good one. and watch it on bluray. Aug 12 14:35:44 honest to god it was lifechanging Aug 12 14:35:56 lol Aug 12 14:36:13 * PatrickC used to have a good HTIB.. then it broke :/ Aug 12 14:36:21 fxspec06_, I might do that :) Aug 12 14:36:38 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1327155 Aug 12 14:37:05 k guys, i gotta go mow the lawn Aug 12 14:37:09 bbs Aug 12 14:37:37 cya Aug 12 14:37:52 i wish when i mowed the lawn i could be back soon, haha Aug 12 14:37:56 later Aug 12 14:38:07 kirksutton: how big is your lawn? Aug 12 14:38:23 Tibfib: Opened, and none of my feeds are loading... just the spinning refresh button Aug 12 14:38:41 Y U NO USE APP RITE? Aug 12 14:38:48 can you install lumberjack? Aug 12 14:38:49 :( Aug 12 14:38:50 * NuttyBunny wonders if his Xbox (1st gen) can play 720p bluray rips Aug 12 14:38:51 sure Aug 12 14:38:55 already installed Aug 12 14:39:02 can you email or pastebin the logs? Aug 12 14:40:21 PatrickC: thats a good question. I'd say average, but the type of grass makes it so I have to bag it and the bag fills up about 7 times. Aug 12 14:40:34 oh wow Aug 12 14:40:41 Uncaught Type Error, (Cannot read property 'value' of undefined, line 450 in google-reader.js) Aug 12 14:40:48 is the only error Aug 12 14:40:50 I have about 2 acres. I side discharge and it takes me about 3 hours Aug 12 14:41:06 IGNTNUNLMTD: okay Aug 12 14:41:13 yikes. I am around 1.5 hours Aug 12 14:41:16 looks like I made some assumptions taht aren't true for all accounts Aug 12 14:41:17 had this once before, reinstall fixed it Aug 12 14:42:25 IGNTNUNLMTD: kay should be fixed now Aug 12 14:42:33 kirksutton: I also have a riding mower with a 46" deck :) Aug 12 14:42:36 I'm in the middle of something else so I'll send it over once it is done Aug 12 14:42:46 (something else in the app) Aug 12 14:42:50 Tibfib: how?! Aug 12 14:43:05 hmmmm? Aug 12 14:43:06 IGNTNUNLMTD: I forgot a ',' Aug 12 14:43:11 * PatrickC ducks Aug 12 14:43:27 s/i/he/ Aug 12 14:43:40 Tibfib: tutorial/login looks excellent Aug 12 14:43:49 tutorial? cool Aug 12 14:43:51 thanks! dan did a great job Aug 12 14:44:11 PatrickC: I have a hand mower. The type of grass is Zoysia. Best grass ever. Aug 12 14:44:21 Tibfib: still no dice :-( Aug 12 14:44:29 yeah Aug 12 14:44:31 same error? Aug 12 14:44:31 logged out and logged back in Aug 12 14:44:32 we have Kentucky31 Aug 12 14:44:53 yeah, same error Aug 12 14:45:02 IGNTNUNLMTD: I'll send over a new version soon Aug 12 14:45:07 kk Aug 12 14:45:17 It's really coming together, though Aug 12 14:45:20 you should be proud Aug 12 14:45:25 thanks! Aug 12 14:45:53 Tibfib: is nomnomnom in the catalog? Aug 12 14:45:57 not yet Aug 12 14:45:59 sooon though! Aug 12 14:46:12 I'm hoping to submit early next week Aug 12 14:46:21 cool Aug 12 14:46:23 kirksutton: you live in Asia, China, Japan, or Australasia? Aug 12 14:46:57 ANTARCTICA Aug 12 14:47:04 lol Aug 12 14:47:10 I bet there are over 500 TP apps now Aug 12 14:47:12 Now that I've "asked the internetz" for Tron Legacy 720p AC3, I can continue with my duties :) Aug 12 14:47:18 hahaha Aug 12 14:47:41 NuttyBunny: yes. continue with my app Aug 12 14:47:42 is lumberjack going to be updated for touchpad? Aug 12 14:47:50 I thought it was? Aug 12 14:48:02 PatrickC: Yes, after I finish my 4 pending ones ;) Aug 12 14:48:15 yeah, it runs fine on the TouchPad HattCzech_work Aug 12 14:48:17 haha ok :) Aug 12 14:50:02 it runs fine Aug 12 14:50:15 but it's in the "phone emulator" window Aug 12 14:52:28 hmmmmm under what section of the api docs is enyo.mixin? Aug 12 14:56:11 http://www.damnlol.com/pics/752/561bc8fefcf84c1ac39138ef07560656.jpg Aug 12 14:56:28 lol Aug 12 14:57:25 HattCzech_work: enyo version of lumberjack is in progress Aug 12 14:57:32 cool Aug 12 14:57:37 that will be nice Aug 12 14:58:04 how are y'all doing packages now? multiple packages for various platforms? Aug 12 15:00:35 i've been developing seperately atm Aug 12 15:00:44 probably merge them in a fat package before release Aug 12 15:01:29 PatrickC: I live in the US Aug 12 15:05:33 kirksutton: ah, wikipedia said that it was native to the countries I stated.. Aug 12 15:05:44 pwned Aug 12 15:06:25 I stole it from the motherland and whatnot Aug 12 15:06:40 FOR ZE MOTHERLAND!!!!! Aug 12 15:07:04 http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA! Aug 12 15:11:34 My gf wants to jump from Android to iPhone (after he used my Pre but left it because of no enough medical apps and whatsapp)... we need to have AT LEAST WhatsApp!!! :D Aug 12 15:12:34 NuttyBunny: PORT IT Aug 12 15:12:35 :) Aug 12 15:13:07 as soon as I get her Xperia I might be able to reverse engineer the thing Aug 12 15:13:31 or just make your version :) Aug 12 15:13:37 So, donations for my gf's iPhone!!!!!! Aug 12 15:13:43 s/your/your own/ Aug 12 15:13:50 NuttyBunny: never! Aug 12 15:14:01 my version? it has to be compatible with whatsapp, we need to jump in!! :D Aug 12 15:14:26 mannn, I was super close to making whatsapp for webOS Aug 12 15:14:36 who's the developer? lets all bombard their twitter! Aug 12 15:14:57 we won't go anywhere with TextOne or Villo Chat (or bchatter), we (sorry) need whatsapp :( Aug 12 15:15:07 it's like Facebook and twitter, everyone has it Aug 12 15:15:16 * PatrickC doesn't Aug 12 15:15:24 was gonna intern at their company over this summer Aug 12 15:15:34 Tibfib: why didn't u? Aug 12 15:15:37 PatrickC, you have Twitter so shut up ;) Aug 12 15:15:40 just didn't work out. Aug 12 15:15:50 NuttyBunny: lol Aug 12 15:15:54 Tibfib, yeah, you betrayed us by not going there ;) Aug 12 15:16:02 NuttyBunny: I also have fb Aug 12 15:16:08 NuttyBunny: didn't work out on *their* end Aug 12 15:16:25 thanks lots Tibfib Aug 12 15:16:35 Tibfib, that sounded nasty, they may deserve it :( Aug 12 15:16:59 oh? Aug 12 15:17:03 Every single stupid Telcel ad has the whatsapp icon on it Aug 12 15:17:07 I wasn't trying to be nasty Aug 12 15:17:18 just emphasizing that I wanted to go ;) Aug 12 15:18:03 Tibfib: Sorry, it was me, it's just the way the average mexican think, two-way thinking on everything, look up "albur" Aug 12 15:18:48 hmm. do I use jQuery and gameQuery...? Aug 12 15:18:51 * PatrickC thinks Aug 12 15:19:22 NuttyBunny: interesting Aug 12 15:20:41 PatrickC, Use whichever you like, but you have to learn it :) Aug 12 15:21:02 that's my problem.. lol Aug 12 15:21:07 * PatrickC chooses both Aug 12 15:21:39 Tibfib, Yeah, we're a strange breed ;) Aug 12 15:24:41 My update has been stuck in "Ready for Review" limbo for 4 days. Is this normal? Aug 12 15:24:56 umm probably not ridiculous Aug 12 15:25:13 :( Aug 12 15:25:34 and I have have another update to push through Aug 12 15:25:42 that's the worst Aug 12 15:25:52 being done with an update before the last one got approved Aug 12 15:26:12 and Adora isn't here to help :( Aug 12 15:29:11 whatever you do, don't cancel an update Aug 12 15:30:11 it takes like twice as long to reject an app then to approve it in my experiences.. Aug 12 15:30:20 twbbas: yo Aug 12 15:30:36 PatrickC: Hi Aug 12 15:32:27 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/jquery-and-gamequery.496/ Aug 12 15:33:35 * PatrickC likes WOR forums :) Aug 12 15:34:16 PatrickC: Did you get a dev forum there yet? Aug 12 15:34:30 twbbas: had it last night Aug 12 15:34:41 cool Aug 12 15:34:41 * PatrickC knows people at WOR and got it in 10 min Aug 12 15:34:59 twbbas: http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?forums/awesome-apps.51/ Aug 12 15:38:48 PatrickC: wooooooooooow, how do you know people????? Aug 12 15:39:00 * PatrickC is just that good Aug 12 15:40:11 he just talks everywhere Aug 12 15:40:35 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD: email is on its way Aug 12 15:40:37 I know people at WOR and WOW.. but not PC :/ Aug 12 15:40:40 just uploading the attachment Aug 12 15:41:03 * twbbas quick puts TP in dev mode and installs preware Aug 12 15:41:41 twbbas: why wasn't it already? :) Aug 12 15:42:11 PatrickC: Because I've been doctoring my TP twice daily for the past few days Aug 12 15:42:17 ah Aug 12 15:42:21 meta? Aug 12 15:42:38 PatrickC: No. I have to doctor to a special build in order to test in-app purchase items Aug 12 15:42:54 ah, I know of that special build Aug 12 15:43:00 I always doctor back after I'm done working because then I have access to app catalog and such Aug 12 15:43:55 AlwaysBlameOil: how long are the coupons for loaners good for? Aug 12 15:44:31 Tibfib: I like the new first screen Aug 12 15:44:38 twbbas: :) Aug 12 15:45:00 Tibfib: A suggestion is to allow enter to submit the login details Aug 12 15:45:06 ah yeah Aug 12 15:45:11 I wrote that down Aug 12 15:45:13 haven't done it Aug 12 15:45:13 ok Aug 12 15:45:14 thanks Aug 12 15:45:32 Tibfib: Does tour not work yet? Aug 12 15:45:49 nope Aug 12 15:46:10 wow taking a while to dl my feeds Aug 12 15:46:13 I use alert() to say it doesn't work, which *ahem* doesn't work in webOS3.0 Aug 12 15:46:18 lol Aug 12 15:46:24 I think something broke Aug 12 15:46:27 my feeds aren't dl'ing Aug 12 15:46:31 twbbas: dangit Aug 12 15:46:36 can you lumberjack it up? Aug 12 15:46:49 * twbbas installs lumberjack Aug 12 15:48:00 g morning Aug 12 15:48:05 Tibfib: Cannot call method 'indexOf' of undefined. Google-reader.js line 457 Aug 12 15:48:09 YOU LIE Aug 12 15:48:11 okay thanks Aug 12 15:48:30 OH DUH Aug 12 15:48:33 * Tibfib fails at javascript Aug 12 15:48:36 lolz Aug 12 15:48:51 NomNomNom just froze my TP Aug 12 15:48:53 lol Aug 12 15:48:58 * PatrickC always fails at js Aug 12 15:49:03 I tried restarting the app and now my TP is frozen Aug 12 15:49:04 way to go Aug 12 15:49:17 twbbas, it ate your TP :D Aug 12 15:49:48 * twbbas twiddles his thumbs while his TP restarts Aug 12 15:50:05 ... and restarts... and restarts... and restarts... Aug 12 15:50:16 flash... flash.... flash.... flash.... flash.... Aug 12 15:51:28 * NuttyBunny doesn't like that flashing over and over again thingy... when (if) I get my TP, I'll try to find the difference between those 2 images and just change whatever is necesary Aug 12 15:51:31 necessary Aug 12 15:51:37 and share the knowledge, of course Aug 12 15:51:40 twbbas: email sending... Aug 12 15:52:18 Tibfib: I have to go pick my mom up from somewhere but I'll be back in like 20 mins Aug 12 15:52:39 come on....nobody? Aug 12 15:52:47 Hi when i call, createComponent, my component isn't display, should i call some render method to show it? Aug 12 15:52:48 "I already picked up your mom last night!" Aug 12 15:52:56 lol nice one Aug 12 15:53:12 sugardave: nice :) Aug 12 15:53:18 morning sugardave Aug 12 15:53:20 pepone: you can try to call .render() on the new component Aug 12 15:53:24 morning Aug 12 15:53:37 twbbas: sounds good Aug 12 15:53:37 morning again to all Aug 12 15:53:41 webos does *not* support webGL? right? Aug 12 15:53:44 hey LoneStar Aug 12 15:53:44 no Aug 12 15:53:46 pepone: yes. .createComponent() .render() Aug 12 15:54:07 sugardave: ok.. I'll go with canvas then Aug 12 15:59:37 WE HAVE LED CONTROL IN THE APP CATALOG?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Aug 12 15:59:45 sugardave: since when?! Aug 12 15:59:56 Tibfib: thanks, that is what i need Aug 12 16:00:11 I don't know what you are talking about Aug 12 16:00:26 there is an app that uses the LED as flash in the app catalog Aug 12 16:00:33 no way Aug 12 16:00:35 I thought using the LED was homebrew only? Aug 12 16:00:42 PatrickC: name? Aug 12 16:00:43 NuttyBunny: check Palomo Aug 12 16:00:57 maybe you should download/purchase it and see how they're doing it Aug 12 16:01:10 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.gtpmobility.palomo&applicationid=10144 Aug 12 16:01:15 I did dl it Aug 12 16:01:15 I want this device to finish flashing Aug 12 16:01:17 its free Aug 12 16:01:28 halfhalo-work: di it Aug 12 16:01:29 did* Aug 12 16:01:41 DAMN STRAIGHT Aug 12 16:01:48 so....ask him? Aug 12 16:01:48 (what did I do?) Aug 12 16:02:26 halfhalo-work: get LED control catalog approved Aug 12 16:02:46 Is there a way to detect the on screen keyboard is being display? i want to adjust the content scroller after the keyboard has been show Aug 12 16:03:24 omg, my kid is turning 13 next Friday :/ Aug 12 16:03:37 sugardave: you have a 13 year old kid? Aug 12 16:03:43 sugardave: welcome to the teenage universe :) Aug 12 16:03:43 no Aug 12 16:03:45 just 12 :P Aug 12 16:03:54 we welcome you Aug 12 16:04:23 ok Tibfib, I'm back Aug 12 16:04:25 downloading Aug 12 16:04:28 kk Aug 12 16:04:32 already fixed a minor bug here Aug 12 16:04:38 Oh 13.... thats when normal kids start to be bitchy at everything Aug 12 16:05:06 sugardave: embarassing him in public is the best way to keep him loving you Aug 12 16:05:23 sugardave: You should introduce your kid to PatrickC. Set up a playdate Aug 12 16:05:24 good, maybe we're already halfway through...she's been like that for a while now ;) Aug 12 16:05:28 PatrickC: that's an awesome app Aug 12 16:05:33 and I don't think it has LED control Aug 12 16:05:38 twbbas: she would tear him apart Aug 12 16:05:40 Tibfib: it does Aug 12 16:05:47 I'm guessing it's part of the camera api Aug 12 16:05:59 toggle the little button in the bottom right, and hit the 'take picture' button Aug 12 16:06:10 PatrickC: re-read what I said. Aug 12 16:06:18 I just saw that Aug 12 16:06:21 maybe.. hmm.. Aug 12 16:06:30 its like a switch, once they hit 13 its all bitchbitchbitch and moodymoodymoody and then the silent treatment for at least 2 years. Although with girls theres an added money taking phase Aug 12 16:06:41 haha Aug 12 16:06:46 brb, gotta work :) Aug 12 16:06:47 just wait until she starts driving Aug 12 16:06:51 pepone: not sure what it is, but there is some way to get the visibility status of the keyboard Aug 12 16:06:56 hola Aug 12 16:07:11 sugardave: i have a question maybe you can answer Aug 12 16:07:23 ah, driving...have to start training soon Aug 12 16:07:30 need to get a manual transmission Aug 12 16:07:32 What does this mean: Processing Submission Aug 12 16:07:37 sugardave: lol Aug 12 16:07:43 fxspec06: IT'S PROCESSING YOUR SUBMISSION Aug 12 16:07:45 fxspec06: that means your submission is being processed Aug 12 16:07:47 Tibfib: lookin' good Aug 12 16:07:50 haha Aug 12 16:07:53 lol @ answers Aug 12 16:08:02 sugardave: get a volvo 850. then you know she will be safe in a car. Aug 12 16:08:08 twbbas: sweet Aug 12 16:08:20 YES!! No more ad popup on Precentral feeds!@~!@#~ Aug 12 16:08:25 lol Tibfib Aug 12 16:08:26 twbbas: I'm guessing you don't have manual sort in google reader Aug 12 16:08:34 omg, FINISH FLASHING DAMMIT Aug 12 16:08:35 sugardave: Audi R8 is the best starter car Aug 12 16:08:45 it's been stuck since last night though! it usually takes 2 mins to change to "redy for review" Aug 12 16:08:47 twbbas: which caused the error earlier Aug 12 16:08:51 PatrickC: if anybody gets an Audi, it will be me Aug 12 16:08:57 lol. Aug 12 16:09:01 i'm sorry, i've just never seen it before Aug 12 16:09:04 and it will be a TT or an A6 Aug 12 16:09:21 * halfhalo-work wouldn't mind an audi if it was free, but would much rather get the 335i conv. Aug 12 16:09:21 fxspec06: I dunno, just wait another day, then talk to palm Aug 12 16:09:24 * fxspec06 has an innie Aug 12 16:09:32 http://instantrimshot.com Aug 12 16:09:40 and waiting for a touchpad to come back from a dead battery SUCKS Aug 12 16:09:42 fxspec06: you need to pretend like it's the old days when app submission could take weeks Aug 12 16:09:45 then it won't seem so bad Aug 12 16:09:51 lol okay Aug 12 16:10:09 sugardave: you need to make app rejection and suspension automatic Aug 12 16:10:10 seriously Aug 12 16:10:19 yeah Aug 12 16:10:21 i agree Aug 12 16:10:30 * fxspec06 has an innie <--- random, much? Aug 12 16:10:33 RIDICULOUS that you can't. only way to have that happen on time is to be chums with a palm employee you can complain to Aug 12 16:10:46 twbbas: we were talking about Audi's Aug 12 16:10:49 oh Aug 12 16:10:52 what's that you say? you like the all-manual processes? gives you that "feel-good" HP is watching out for me feeling? Aug 12 16:10:52 I thought bellybutton Aug 12 16:10:55 cool Aug 12 16:11:28 * halfhalo-work was a witness to the all manual process wanting Aug 12 16:12:01 :'( Aug 12 16:12:08 Tibfib: It still freezes for a second or so every 5 feeds as I'm scrolling fast Aug 12 16:12:13 chuqui will fix it Aug 12 16:12:17 chuqui: Tibfib wants autmomatic app rejection Aug 12 16:12:18 go! Aug 12 16:12:20 twbbas: yeah Aug 12 16:12:30 sugardave: I think EVERYONE wants it Aug 12 16:12:30 sugardave: so do I Aug 12 16:12:49 chuqui: when did we get LED access? or is it part of the camera API? Aug 12 16:13:04 twbbas: I honestly don't know a better way to render the kinds Aug 12 16:13:16 OH, I heard from unwiredbend a good way is building the html yourself Aug 12 16:13:18 so I may do that Aug 12 16:13:21 lol Aug 12 16:13:24 I'm beginning to wonder if this device is messed up now :/ Aug 12 16:13:24 "bend" Aug 12 16:13:26 PatrickC: I don't think so. I don't know why not. Aug 12 16:13:38 it's been sitting at this screen for a LOOOOONG time Aug 12 16:14:09 chuqui: so you think LED access is catalog acceptible? I remember it used to not be Aug 12 16:14:10 sugardave: one of mine failed to flash yesterday night as well. it just never finished Aug 12 16:14:24 PatrickC: he doesn't think so. Aug 12 16:14:40 he also said "I don't know why not" Aug 12 16:14:51 he doesn't know why it is not accepted. Aug 12 16:14:58 ah Aug 12 16:15:28 maybe I should not have skipped all of those checks it wants to do...dammit Aug 12 16:15:36 chuqui: I accept payments in the form of donuts, gum, or beef jerky Aug 12 16:15:47 for translating for PatrickC Aug 12 16:16:39 PatrickC: led is part of mediacapture api Aug 12 16:16:41 mmmm, beef jerky Aug 12 16:16:44 nothing has changed. Aug 12 16:16:56 PatrickC: I'm guessing not, at this time. Aug 12 16:17:01 Tibfib: I prefer sheep. Aug 12 16:17:07 aww.. I was hoping that it was standalone.. :/ Aug 12 16:17:26 chuqui: sheep jerky? or just paying in whole sheep? Aug 12 16:17:43 Tibfib: just parts of the sheep, actually. I'll send it back when I'm done. Aug 12 16:17:48 kk Aug 12 16:18:11 (as everyone thinks about it, the goes "ewwwwww" as a group) Aug 12 16:18:40 chuqui: iseewhatyoudidthere Aug 12 16:19:06 sooo folks, how can I take a screenshot when I'm in full screen mode on the emulator Aug 12 16:19:07 ? Aug 12 16:20:04 print screen Aug 12 16:20:11 a good idea, but no dice Aug 12 16:20:29 my keypresses are absorbed by the emu Aug 12 16:20:38 can't you press like ctrl or something Aug 12 16:20:46 doesn't seem to work here Aug 12 16:20:54 hmmmm Aug 12 16:21:01 take a blurry pic with your Pre's camera Aug 12 16:21:29 Mr. Blurry@ Aug 12 16:21:30 YES Aug 12 16:21:34 BlurryCam* Aug 12 16:21:56 and silly "take snapshot" is not actually a screenshot Aug 12 16:22:30 lol.. smapshot of the state of the vm :) Aug 12 16:22:37 unfocus vb, ctrl-alt-prtscr Aug 12 16:22:43 snapshot* Aug 12 16:22:51 sugardave: vb has to be full screen Aug 12 16:22:57 my resolution doesn't fit the emu otherwise Aug 12 16:23:00 weaksauce Aug 12 16:23:07 fxspec06 knows how iirc Aug 12 16:23:55 sugardave: really, you didn't expect me to think of that? Aug 12 16:23:56 haha Aug 12 16:24:25 hey, you never know when you're going to be all hung-over and not thinking clearly :P Aug 12 16:25:27 lol Aug 12 16:25:41 what about iirc Aug 12 16:25:54 hah Aug 12 16:26:17 i'll repeat what sugardave said Aug 12 16:26:27 unfocus vb, prtscn Aug 12 16:26:38 trim edges. done Aug 12 16:26:43 I can't unfocus it when it is in full screen mode..................................... Aug 12 16:26:57 or if I can, I don't know how Aug 12 16:27:02 and that is what I need Aug 12 16:27:03 Tibfib: click rt-ctrl? Aug 12 16:27:03 you can't un fullscreen it? Aug 12 16:27:04 isn't there a Mojo way to take a screenshot in js? Aug 12 16:27:15 fxspec06: IT HAS to be full screen Aug 12 16:27:50 PatrickC: I thought that would work, but it doesn't Aug 12 16:28:10 Tibfib: odd Aug 12 16:28:14 oh i see. hrmmmmm. what is your max resolution? Aug 12 16:28:20 1366 by 768 Aug 12 16:28:24 so it has to be fullscreen. Aug 12 16:28:28 if I want a full screenshot Aug 12 16:29:51 can you hide the windows taskbar? Aug 12 16:30:13 still have the top chrome Aug 12 16:30:20 bbl Aug 12 16:31:38 if you use GIMP to take the screenshot, you can tell it to not include the "window decoration" or whatever Aug 12 16:32:22 can't you use FRAPS to take screenshots of application windows? Aug 12 16:33:00 or some application Aug 12 16:33:06 hmmm Aug 12 16:33:10 * Tibfib has neither installed Aug 12 16:33:13 but I'll try Aug 12 16:33:50 fraps doesn't work for vbox. -.- Aug 12 16:33:57 nevermind Aug 12 16:35:40 * Tibfib tries snagit Aug 12 16:37:00 BOOT DAMMIT Aug 12 16:41:51 SNAGIT FTW! Aug 12 16:42:23 woo! Aug 12 16:42:27 woohooo Aug 12 16:43:24 woo Aug 12 16:43:46 it allows timer delays Aug 12 16:43:49 which is what I need Aug 12 16:45:17 awwwww dangit. I broke something Aug 12 16:46:49 neck? Aug 12 16:48:38 almost Aug 12 16:50:10 Tibfib, you need to use the luna-send command for screenshots... Aug 12 16:50:20 this is easier Aug 12 16:50:22 or did you fix that already? :) Aug 12 16:50:22 kind of Aug 12 16:51:34 hey hotdp Aug 12 16:52:05 Tibfib: easier than luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.systemmanager/takeScreenShot '{"file":"sshot.png"}' ?? Aug 12 16:52:07 hey all Aug 12 16:53:23 NuttyBunny: probably Aug 12 16:53:32 but not by much ;) Aug 12 16:54:22 AlwaysBlameOil: ping Aug 12 16:56:50 boom, 4 nice screenshot Aug 12 16:56:51 s Aug 12 16:56:53 time to tease Aug 12 16:59:11 * NuttyBunny wants to see the tease Aug 12 16:59:14 http://twitpic.com/64yhao/full Aug 12 16:59:18 that's my first one Aug 12 16:59:19 :) Aug 12 17:00:00 nice :) Aug 12 17:00:07 who's your graphics guy? Aug 12 17:00:11 * PatrickC steals him/her Aug 12 17:05:55 nice one Tibfib Aug 12 17:06:26 * Tibfib will tease some more later Aug 12 17:06:28 thanks! Aug 12 17:06:31 bbl Aug 12 17:34:41 NomNomNom is truly a gorgeous app. And functional. Even though it's a beta, I find it to be my full-time reader Aug 12 17:38:49 hmm.. what's the whole idea behind jQuery? Aug 12 17:39:00 is it just a JS framework? why not just use JS? Aug 12 17:39:34 Make DOM scripting easier by adding shortcut methods to common actions (like Ajax, onclick handling, animation, etc.) Aug 12 17:39:56 ah Aug 12 17:40:11 I'll probably only use it for the gameQuery plugin then.. Aug 12 17:40:42 More of a toolset than a framework, really; see for instance http://jqueryvsmootools.com/ Aug 12 18:05:57 it would be nice if this tut said to make the images :S Aug 12 18:06:19 it would be nice if we could get a touchpad+ already Aug 12 18:06:39 touchpad go Aug 12 18:06:40 * Aug 12 18:06:42 :) Aug 12 18:06:57 hmm.. to use Gimp or Inkscape Aug 12 18:17:47 :) Aug 12 18:18:31 hey oil, I got to bust out the wheel o' blame the other day Aug 12 18:18:40 :( Aug 12 18:18:58 I think somebody's going to make it an app Aug 12 18:19:14 whoever makes it will be forever shunned lol Aug 12 18:19:21 haha Aug 12 18:19:22 lol Aug 12 18:19:35 enyo-wirc works enough to join channels though, so that's cool :) Aug 12 18:19:45 sweet! Aug 12 18:19:55 cool! Aug 12 18:20:00 but swipe-to-part causes a dom exception 12 O.O Aug 12 18:20:51 * PatrickC should have given Gimp a bigger change Aug 12 18:22:47 hey sugardave you work for hp, answer my Uncaught Error: SYNTAX_ERR: DOM Exception 12 question Aug 12 18:22:58 says the problem is in enyo-build.js on line 8317 haha Aug 12 18:23:07 lulz Aug 12 18:24:06 heh, I hate those errors. It's my code but the console tells me it in enyo.js :( Aug 12 18:24:17 hey halfhalo you are a hp slave aswell get on it Aug 12 18:24:35 slave? pshh, he cracks the whip! Aug 12 18:24:43 he's an intern, no? Aug 12 18:24:49 lol Aug 12 18:25:27 hmm, what is 12? Aug 12 18:25:56 according to a page google found: Aug 12 18:25:57 SYNTAX_ERR code 12 Aug 12 18:25:57 In invalid or illegal string has been specified; for example setting the selectorText property of a CSSStyleRule with an invalid CSS value. Aug 12 18:26:13 it happens on swipe Aug 12 18:26:20 like, when its supposed to show the confirm Aug 12 18:26:39 but it doesnt, and that row becomes unusable Aug 12 18:26:54 neat Aug 12 18:27:00 so its setup like this, server row, div containing channel rows Aug 12 18:27:08 swiping a server works Aug 12 18:27:15 but swiping a channel doesnt Aug 12 18:28:51 they have the same parent/container or do they get created dynamically and might be getting a different manager? Aug 12 18:29:12 they're created dynamically Aug 12 18:29:22 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping? Aug 12 18:29:28 in that i loop through and this.$.blag.createComponents Aug 12 18:29:29 hola Aug 12 18:29:36 right Aug 12 18:29:47 is that how you make the server row, too? Aug 12 18:29:49 Socialate.app? Aug 12 18:29:49 but they do not have the same parent Aug 12 18:29:54 yeah Aug 12 18:30:00 Yeah, I use Socialite... best thing EVER Aug 12 18:30:01 does anyone know when touchpads are coming to Finland? Aug 12 18:30:07 the channel rows have the "server children" container as their parent Aug 12 18:30:08 IGNTNUNLMTD: never heard of it Aug 12 18:30:16 (even though i specify owner: this, but thats besides the point) Aug 12 18:30:33 oil: but those rows are still owned by the same kind? Aug 12 18:30:35 okay Aug 12 18:30:46 yeah it aggregates Twitter, RSS, GReader, Facebook, Flickr, Instapaper, and more Aug 12 18:31:00 IGNTNUNLMTD: webos app or website? Aug 12 18:31:06 neither Aug 12 18:31:08 Mac Aug 12 18:31:10 sorry, trying to fix my game and talk :) Aug 12 18:31:11 ah Aug 12 18:31:11 owner only sets up who the manager is, so you can still have stuff that has a different DOM parent but managed by one kind Aug 12 18:31:29 one of three applications that are currently keeping me on Mac Aug 12 18:31:38 oil: no ideas right now, maybe this weekend I can take a look at your code? Aug 12 18:31:44 yeah Aug 12 18:31:48 cool Aug 12 18:32:10 well, ill need to get someone with power over the repo to make it public Aug 12 18:32:13 i think its still hidden atm Aug 12 18:32:49 http://twitter.com/#!/confusedgeek/status/102081443177562113 Aug 12 18:32:50 heh Aug 12 18:33:18 lol Aug 12 18:34:01 "life as a real man"? Aug 12 18:34:18 it's an app Aug 12 18:34:34 I guess with some pictures of some regular guy Aug 12 18:36:56 heh Aug 12 18:44:27 lolwut is that app Aug 12 18:44:51 lol @ 1 star rating "weird and so wrong. deleted" Aug 12 18:48:33 goz2: I just ordered from Amazon to Sweden, no problem. Aug 12 18:50:04 I have a "ModalDialog" that i use to display error messages, how can i ensure that the text is visible, some times there ins't enough space to show all text, and words are cut in the right margin Aug 12 18:53:10 pepone: my ModalDialog's height adjust automatically to fit my content Aug 12 18:53:48 akanster: do you change the contents before create it? Aug 12 18:54:26 akanster: my dialog have a {name: "message", content: ""} , that i change before to show the dialog Aug 12 18:57:00 Hm, got a $50 code for apps from HP. Aug 12 18:57:08 sugardave! you're here Aug 12 18:57:11 Palm suddenly feeling generous? Aug 12 18:57:22 they feel they've screwed you over too much as an early adopter :) Aug 12 18:57:28 since they lowered the price right after you bought it :) Aug 12 18:57:40 (or you were here... are you still?) Aug 12 18:57:51 also if i have very log word, it don't wrap Aug 12 18:57:52 oh Aug 12 19:02:59 I found "style: "word-wrap: break-word;" do the trick for me Aug 12 19:06:00 gokr: Are you happy with it, your TP? Aug 12 19:07:00 HattCzech_work: did you get an answer on the "swipe to delete" question? Aug 12 19:07:14 fxspec06: ping Aug 12 19:08:04 yo dudes Aug 12 19:08:12 I just got my hands on a Pre- Aug 12 19:08:16 Tibfib_: the hilights on the N's in NomNomNom don't match the lowercase characters. Aug 12 19:08:23 what's the first thing to get this baby usable? :P Aug 12 19:08:40 gaurav_: welcome to 2009. Aug 12 19:08:44 meta doctor with 2.1 Aug 12 19:09:02 * twbbas has a Sprint Pre- running 2.1 and overclocked to 1Ghz Aug 12 19:09:11 twbbas: how stable is it? Aug 12 19:09:15 No crashes Aug 12 19:09:22 battery life? Aug 12 19:09:37 eh, horrible like usual Aug 12 19:09:51 * gaurav_ looks into it Aug 12 19:09:51 I didn't notice any affect when I overclocked/metadoctored to 2.1 Aug 12 19:10:04 I saw only a small batt, but yes still battery life is not great Aug 12 19:10:16 haeffb: i did not Aug 12 19:10:22 I've been rocking this Sprint Pre- since December 2009 Aug 12 19:10:35 overclocked to 1GHz and meta'ed to 2.1 last spring Aug 12 19:10:44 Battery life is all eaten by 3g anyway so overclocking and all doesn't change much Aug 12 19:10:47 2.1 might use a bit more data Aug 12 19:10:49 pepone: sorry, I was afk Aug 12 19:10:51 HattCzech_work: the answer is "it's broken in 3.0" Aug 12 19:11:00 Lazar_Dobrescu: Yep. When I need to save battery I turn off data. Aug 12 19:11:02 ahhh, okay Aug 12 19:11:06 thanks, haeffb Aug 12 19:11:07 and/or "working as designed" depending on your point of view Aug 12 19:11:25 but it's a known issue and will be "resolved"? Aug 12 19:11:34 one of the mojo features that didn't make it into enyo Aug 12 19:11:53 pepone: I openAtCenter() abd then setContent() Aug 12 19:11:53 HP does not tell us what will come in future enyo releases... Aug 12 19:11:56 will it eventually make it in there? Aug 12 19:11:57 twbbas: stupid question, but it is faster than when it was running 1.4.5? Aug 12 19:11:59 but they know about it. Aug 12 19:11:59 booo Aug 12 19:12:18 my friend was asking about deleting e-mails... and i was like "you do this..." Aug 12 19:12:23 you can try tricking sugardave or chuqui into telling you something, but they're pretty sly. Aug 12 19:12:25 and it did't work :( Aug 12 19:12:25 gaurav_: Hard to say since I haven't had 1.4.5 in a while and I wasn't overclocking when I had 1.4.5. Aug 12 19:12:31 ah Aug 12 19:12:35 gaurav_: but yes, it's pretty slow... Aug 12 19:12:37 HattCzech_work: turn off the delete confirmation... :) Aug 12 19:12:49 heh, that's one way to do it Aug 12 19:12:56 gaurav_: it's a bit slower I think but once overclocked it should be fine Aug 12 19:13:00 twbbas: yeah, I'm not expecting it to have i7 performance :P Aug 12 19:13:07 although I have a pre+ so memory could be an issue I don't know Aug 12 19:13:21 4G Wimax Playbook canceled. Getting ready for a 4G TouchPad Go instead? Aug 12 19:13:29 * twbbas hopes Aug 12 19:13:29 Pre- has what? 5MB RAM?! :P Aug 12 19:13:34 256 :) Aug 12 19:13:35 but yeah Aug 12 19:13:35 close Aug 12 19:13:38 heheh Aug 12 19:13:51 yeah i think 2.1 doesn't run as well as 1.4.5 but i think it was not having enough ram that hurt it Aug 12 19:14:03 compressed cache to the rescue? Aug 12 19:14:07 it does help Aug 12 19:14:16 but it still means annoying glitches Aug 12 19:14:27 Last time I ask this... has anyone used the IAP API? Aug 12 19:15:05 gaurav_: will your pre- be able to download webOS 2+ apps? if not it's pointless to upgrade really Aug 12 19:15:08 unless you need flash I guess Aug 12 19:15:19 I don't know what I want Aug 12 19:15:28 I just want to be using webOS Aug 12 19:15:30 flash is horrible on Pre- 2.1 Aug 12 19:15:34 unusable Aug 12 19:15:41 well then there you go :) Aug 12 19:15:49 I am a long-time iOS user but I have stopped giving a shit about iOS Aug 12 19:15:54 I want to go back to webOS Aug 12 19:16:07 I think the Pre- on 1.4.5 will do fine until the Pre3 is released Aug 12 19:16:09 so install preware and browse the patches to make it how you like it :) Aug 12 19:16:13 I have pre-ordered it Aug 12 19:16:20 also overclock it ofc Aug 12 19:16:32 it's not my Pre- so I might leave overclocking Aug 12 19:16:38 I will do patches though Aug 12 19:17:07 HattCzech_work: what's up? Aug 12 19:17:27 it is a bit of a pain when not overclocked imo Aug 12 19:17:34 it doesnt feel smooth Aug 12 19:18:31 if I read "WebOS" instead of "webOS" in these articles I will kill someone Aug 12 19:18:58 that sounds like overreaction but ok Aug 12 19:19:05 I'll make sure to hide if it happens Aug 12 19:19:18 heh Aug 12 19:19:43 gaurav_: What's wrong with The WebOS? Aug 12 19:19:55 freaking stoked Aug 12 19:19:59 * sugardave kills twbbas. Aug 12 19:20:02 who's next? Aug 12 19:20:16 DeWitt Aug 12 19:20:21 heh Aug 12 19:20:25 good way to get fired Aug 12 19:20:28 sugardave can you debugg my 10,000 line app? Aug 12 19:20:34 lol Aug 12 19:20:34 NuttyBunny: pinggg Aug 12 19:20:39 LoneStar99: sure I can Aug 12 19:20:42 now ask if I will Aug 12 19:20:45 hey Aug 12 19:20:49 lol Aug 12 19:20:54 http://allthingsd.com/20110805/map-reveals-the-u-s-divided-between-android-states-and-iphone-states/ that is funny Aug 12 19:21:01 NuttyBunny: Destroids is open source :) Aug 12 19:21:14 NOOOO Aug 12 19:21:17 I live in an iOS state Aug 12 19:21:20 this map is missing an irreductive webOS state Aug 12 19:21:25 irreductible* Aug 12 19:21:31 * twbbas believes Michigan to be a webOS state because he lives there Aug 12 19:22:15 lol Aug 12 19:22:17 hehe my state is neutral :) Aug 12 19:22:34 and Cali. is android :P Aug 12 19:22:47 that's sure surprising Aug 12 19:25:27 * haeffb now has a Cloud9 account Aug 12 19:25:57 * PatrickC googles cloud9 Aug 12 19:30:11 dunno bout cloud9 but can we find their ace editor on webOS? :) Aug 12 19:30:19 yes Aug 12 19:30:27 don't you love when a framework has no documentation.. Aug 12 19:31:48 halfhalo-work: as an app? Aug 12 19:31:55 yes Aug 12 19:32:00 don't see it :( Aug 12 19:32:07 guess it's webOS 2+ Aug 12 19:32:09 its in preware Aug 12 19:32:17 aka editah, and webos 3 only Aug 12 19:32:20 ah Aug 12 19:32:21 ok Aug 12 19:32:25 meh Aug 12 19:32:30 why :) Aug 12 19:32:55 because.... its for a tablet? Aug 12 19:33:10 well obviously Aug 12 19:33:26 but it's more why isnt there this editor for the phone.. and yeah I know coding on a phone is bad Aug 12 19:34:19 Lazar_Dobrescu: TIDE (TouchPad IDE) it written in Enyo. tab only Aug 12 19:36:26 work work Aug 12 19:36:28 i wanna go home Aug 12 19:37:10 et phone home Aug 12 19:37:12 so how does it work on your phone PatrickC ;) Aug 12 19:37:30 Loudergood: I'm special :) Aug 12 19:37:39 I run enyo on my phone Aug 12 19:37:44 I know Aug 12 19:37:50 I was asking how well it works Aug 12 19:37:51 ok, lemme rephrase my statement. Aug 12 19:37:59 oh, it works pretty good Aug 12 19:38:04 just doesn't save/open Aug 12 19:38:07 your forum tagline should be "Installs everything, yes that too" Aug 12 19:39:28 "it works pretty good" & "it works pretty good" are contradictory Aug 12 19:39:40 & "just doesn't save/open" * Aug 12 19:47:46 Has optware been ported to the HP tablet? Aug 12 19:49:09 yup Aug 12 19:49:30 link? Aug 12 19:49:46 its in preware. or on the webos-internals wiki. Aug 12 19:49:55 it's all up in preware Aug 12 19:49:55 perfect Aug 12 19:51:23 Best way to start programming for webOS? Aug 12 19:51:34 Learn Mojo, or use some sort of tookit or framework? Aug 12 19:51:41 screw mojo Aug 12 19:51:44 I'm interested in 1.4.5.1 Aug 12 19:51:55 may i ask why? Aug 12 19:51:58 Sure Aug 12 19:51:59 use some other sort of framework Aug 12 19:52:02 I have a pixi+ Aug 12 19:52:09 matbee : suggestions? Aug 12 19:52:35 Phonegap + vanilla javascript/micro js libraries Aug 12 19:52:50 definitely check out phonegap Aug 12 19:53:04 than you can develop in the browser Aug 12 19:53:05 phonegap wouldn't worok Aug 12 19:53:08 work* Aug 12 19:53:10 why? Aug 12 19:53:13 Not Sure Aug 12 19:53:18 big problems with my command prompt Aug 12 19:53:23 I'm feeling native anyway Aug 12 19:53:26 other alternatives? Aug 12 19:54:27 new phone! haha Aug 12 19:55:01 ? Aug 12 19:56:27 Can I use eclipse with phonegap? Aug 12 19:56:34 only if you ask nicely Aug 12 19:56:52 Pretty please? Aug 12 19:57:16 siestacat_comput: you gotta ask eclipse Aug 12 19:57:48 Tibfib : sarcasm implied? Aug 12 19:58:18 * Tibfib assumes you can use eclipse with phonegap, but has no guarantees Aug 12 19:58:53 * siestacat_comput Believes that phonegap isn't really focused on webOS, and therefor supports command line only Aug 12 19:59:22 http://mattgemmell.com/images/anatidaephobia.jpg Aug 12 19:59:27 phonegap developers came to the nyc dev day last year Aug 12 19:59:34 * hotdp wonders if siestacat has looked at the getting started at phonegap Aug 12 20:00:06 * siestacat wonders if hotdp has Aug 12 20:00:16 Yes, I did Aug 12 20:00:23 Cygwin wouldn't function Aug 12 20:00:34 Make wasn't working rihgt Aug 12 20:00:37 everything was wrong Aug 12 20:01:11 I need a good webOS development toolkit or something that's not mojo Aug 12 20:01:15 mojo is gay Aug 12 20:01:16 what about phonegap build? Aug 12 20:01:25 :o Aug 12 20:01:28 :O Aug 12 20:01:31 gay? Aug 12 20:01:38 I did not know that! Aug 12 20:01:45 never heard of it Aug 12 20:02:33 I need an invite to it... Aug 12 20:02:57 * siestacat doesn't suppose anyone could help me out that way Aug 12 20:03:36 i have used phonegap and webos Aug 12 20:03:42 np Aug 12 20:04:20 I mean with an invite Aug 12 20:04:26 For phonegap build Aug 12 20:05:49 Does anyone have one? Aug 12 20:06:46 i have it Aug 12 20:06:50 i dont know if i can invite people tho Aug 12 20:06:59 oh, cool. Cloud9 just pulled in my projects from github Aug 12 20:08:02 siestacat, yeah, you need an invite from them personally... i have no way of inviting Aug 12 20:08:36 me neither Aug 12 20:08:43 matbee : you do Aug 12 20:08:49 matbee : make a fake project Aug 12 20:09:08 matbee : and add me to it as a developer. I will then receive an invite. Aug 12 20:09:14 Otherwise phonegap has not worked for me. Aug 12 20:09:39 gimme your email Aug 12 20:09:49 haeffb: does cloud9 depend on java/flash? Aug 12 20:10:08 email is siestacat14@gmail.com matbee Aug 12 20:10:18 k Aug 12 20:10:37 siestacat, done Aug 12 20:11:08 if anyone needs an invite from phonegap build please let me know Aug 12 20:11:28 PatrickC: I do not know. But I think I will stick with Titanium Studio. Aug 12 20:11:44 matbee: sir.kuttin@gmail.com thank you Aug 12 20:11:47 matbee : thanks Aug 12 20:12:04 matbee: me Aug 12 20:12:16 matbee : I have beta code, works great Aug 12 20:12:18 matbee: not me Aug 12 20:12:18 thank you much Aug 12 20:12:32 best layering to use in corporation with phonegaps native api? Aug 12 20:12:34 matbee: you have my email? Aug 12 20:14:19 best thing to use with phonegap? Aug 12 20:16:33 I've fallen victim to Google Games Aug 12 20:16:47 twbbas: hah Aug 12 20:16:54 twbbas: tried out latest nomnomnom? Aug 12 20:17:01 what's the latest Aug 12 20:17:12 4 hrs ago? Aug 12 20:17:23 yeah, I guess I meant, tested it out? Aug 12 20:17:31 ya Aug 12 20:17:36 notifications working? Aug 12 20:17:41 oh I haven't tried those Aug 12 20:17:45 1 sec Aug 12 20:17:50 #*%&#(*%#& Aug 12 20:17:56 * twbbas forgot it had notifications Aug 12 20:17:57 who invited you to beta test Aug 12 20:18:06 oh, right. Aug 12 20:18:15 ok well they were turned on Aug 12 20:18:17 and I don't have any Aug 12 20:18:21 so... maybe it didn't work? Aug 12 20:18:27 you have to enable specific feeds Aug 12 20:18:40 which may make people think they don't work Aug 12 20:18:43 how Aug 12 20:18:43 hmmmmmmm Aug 12 20:18:48 hold onto a feed Aug 12 20:18:55 clever Aug 12 20:18:59 didn't know that existed Aug 12 20:19:05 and that's why the "tour" is coming Aug 12 20:19:17 although I don't think I'm going to make it optional Aug 12 20:19:23 * siestacat is not having luck with phonegap build either Aug 12 20:20:00 error log on the webOS version (works with EVERY other os...) : Aug 12 20:20:00 "make js": make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 0.0015 s in the future Aug 12 20:20:00 make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. Aug 12 20:20:14 that's weird Aug 12 20:20:36 Tibfib: I have notifications set for my feeds Aug 12 20:20:43 just gotta sit back and wait for an article to be posted Aug 12 20:20:47 Very weird Aug 12 20:20:53 WHICH IS WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ALL DAY Aug 12 20:20:56 * Tibfib kids Aug 12 20:21:01 kind of Aug 12 20:21:05 hola Aug 12 20:21:16 twbbas: well lemme know Aug 12 20:21:22 woa maybe i came in at the wrong time.. Aug 12 20:21:40 ;P Aug 12 20:22:03 Tibfib's mad at me because his app isn't intuitive Aug 12 20:22:12 :( Aug 12 20:22:24 I'm mad at twbbas because he is inept Aug 12 20:22:38 well notifications said they were enabled Aug 12 20:22:38 ka6: ok good to know.. Aug 12 20:22:42 oops wrong channel Aug 12 20:22:52 but nomnomnom lies Aug 12 20:22:53 twbbas: I'm impressed you've gone this long without asking me how to do stuff Aug 12 20:22:55 Tibfib: send me a copy... Aug 12 20:22:57 I want to add a "
" tag in content: "", but seems this is automatically scaped, is there a way to add it? Aug 12 20:23:08 * haeffb is bummed because my apps aren't piratable Aug 12 20:23:12 pepone: add allowHtml Aug 12 20:23:14 kirksutton, added Aug 12 20:23:17 haeffb: me too :( Aug 12 20:23:18 PatrickC, whats your email again? Aug 12 20:23:20 haeffb: just a sec Aug 12 20:23:34 Tibfib: I can post up NomNomNom on a site if you want it to be pirated before it's released Aug 12 20:23:39 just give the word Aug 12 20:23:40 eek! yeah Aug 12 20:23:44 oh, wait, I give mine away for free in preware... Aug 12 20:23:58 haeffb, not pirateable? Aug 12 20:24:03 everythings pirateable :P Aug 12 20:24:11 * Tibfib needs to learn a good angry emoticon Aug 12 20:24:20 matbee: patrickappcreator@gmail.com Aug 12 20:24:23 >:( Aug 12 20:24:23 Tibfib: :k Aug 12 20:24:26 that's a good one Aug 12 20:24:28 twbbas: THAT'S IT Aug 12 20:24:35 PatrickC, done Aug 12 20:24:46 matbee: somebody has to want it first Aug 12 20:25:08 xchat doesn't show me emoticons. Aug 12 20:25:15 ===[[]]====[[8]]=== cop chasing a car Aug 12 20:25:17 haha Aug 12 20:25:25 * ajay_ is nervous.. people fighting.. giving theirs away.. wanting it.. afraid Aug 12 20:25:26 to me, that looks like a cop driving off Aug 12 20:25:28 matbee: got it Aug 12 20:25:35 haeffb: SENT Aug 12 20:25:54 what's nomnomnom? Aug 12 20:25:58 it sounds garbagey Aug 12 20:26:00 matbee: me too Aug 12 20:26:03 matbee: oh it is Aug 12 20:26:05 haha Aug 12 20:26:13 matbee: me too @ cop Aug 12 20:26:18 oh it is @ garbagey Aug 12 20:26:31 * haeffb now has to learn how to use feeds. Aug 12 20:26:33 how do I make the cop look like it's going to the left Aug 12 20:26:42 twbbas, you can't Aug 12 20:26:45 put the lights on the left car Aug 12 20:26:53 matbee: http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/102060998604763139 Aug 12 20:26:57 but to me it looks like it's driving to the left Aug 12 20:27:03 * ajay_ needs a WordCamp Livestream l/p Aug 12 20:27:20 twbbas: it's def driving to the right Aug 12 20:27:48 ===[[]]===[_[8]]=== Aug 12 20:27:55 just missing the right front Aug 12 20:28:01 twbbas: it's def driving to the right Aug 12 20:28:03 Tibfib: YUNOUSEEMAILKEYBOARD!!!! Aug 12 20:28:14 these are not the cars you're looking for.. Aug 12 20:28:17 Tibfib: I THOUGHT I DID Aug 12 20:28:29 hmm Aug 12 20:28:30 Hrm. I don't think I've ever made that mistake. Aug 12 20:28:32 well, do it better Aug 12 20:28:34 nomnomnom looks like it does nothing but display a button Aug 12 20:28:44 lol Aug 12 20:28:45 matbee: that's all it does Aug 12 20:28:45 ( replying to myself) Aug 12 20:28:49 matbee: SHHHHH Aug 12 20:28:54 it'll be $5 Aug 12 20:28:56 ew Aug 12 20:29:25 * haeffb hates typing Shitft-2 and . C O M Aug 12 20:29:32 phonegap build won't build any app for webos? Aug 12 20:29:39 it keeps giving me the formentioned error Aug 12 20:29:42 ==={[]]===={[8]]==== Aug 12 20:29:46 better? Aug 12 20:29:54 twbbas: they look like boats Aug 12 20:29:59 >:( Aug 12 20:30:04 does give me the tour do anything? Aug 12 20:30:09 haeffb: nope Aug 12 20:30:21 basically, don't be stupid, and nomnomnom will make your wildest dreams come true Aug 12 20:30:27 matbee: pm? Aug 12 20:30:34 the car is still driving to the right Aug 12 20:30:35 and hold a feed for options Aug 12 20:30:38 ====[[]]===|[[8]] Aug 12 20:30:40 PatrickC, yes? Aug 12 20:30:42 the cop car has a bumper on it Aug 12 20:30:45 there Aug 12 20:30:47 twbbas: the { was the best Aug 12 20:30:52 but it still should go to the right mate Aug 12 20:31:17 in reading, we read from left to right Aug 12 20:31:22 that's the direction the cars are going Aug 12 20:31:23 I have a chinese brain. I read the opposite way Aug 12 20:31:46 well only read the opposite way for that pic Aug 12 20:32:00 hmm Aug 12 20:32:00 isn't chinese like top to bottom or somethign? Aug 12 20:32:04 it is? Aug 12 20:32:13 I thought it was right->left Aug 12 20:32:17 or is that japanese Aug 12 20:32:24 * Tibfib dunnos Aug 12 20:33:08 * haeffb remembers why he never has gotten into RSS feeds Aug 12 20:33:45 aha! I got it! Aug 12 20:33:55 ««««««[[]]«««««[[8]]«««« Aug 12 20:33:58 boo yah Aug 12 20:34:05 that looks awful here Aug 12 20:34:13 characters didn't come out right Aug 12 20:34:17 :( Aug 12 20:34:18 haeffb: and that is? Aug 12 20:34:19 they are arrows Aug 12 20:34:36 « Aug 12 20:34:44 wonders what ^ looks like to twbbas Aug 12 20:34:50 * haeffb hates reading the first two lines of a story and going... "then what?" Aug 12 20:34:54 Tibfib: That's an arrow Aug 12 20:35:04 haeffb: for who? Aug 12 20:35:10 TIMN shortens their feeds Aug 12 20:35:13 so annoying Aug 12 20:35:22 twbbas: it is an accented A and a two small < here Aug 12 20:35:29 O.o Aug 12 20:35:31 yeah TIMN is lame Aug 12 20:35:37 for rss feeds. Aug 12 20:35:42 best tech site out there though. Aug 12 20:36:35 Tibfib: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/ircopcar.JPG Aug 12 20:36:50 ah Aug 12 20:36:58 espn's feed is one line Aug 12 20:36:59 even then. left to right Aug 12 20:37:04 jerks Aug 12 20:37:05 -____- Aug 12 20:37:50 irc ops get special cars? I never got one Aug 12 20:38:06 * haeffb waiting for The Onion to post something Aug 12 20:38:32 https://twitter.com/#!/TheTylerBayne/status/102116168281767936 Aug 12 20:38:38 dwc-: lol I noticed I forgot a 2nd c Aug 12 20:38:49 didn't feel like changing file name Aug 12 20:39:54 woot Aug 12 20:40:00 $50 app coupon Aug 12 20:40:07 yep Aug 12 20:40:11 It seems all the emails went out toda Aug 12 20:40:14 y Aug 12 20:40:18 wait for nomnomnomn :) Aug 12 20:40:58 I bought some phone apps with my code Aug 12 20:41:30 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=17349 Aug 12 20:41:36 I'm tempted to use it on the phone version of Need for Speed even though I already have the tablet version Aug 12 20:41:46 haeffb: use wizardrss.com Aug 12 20:41:46 so I can play Need For Speed whenever I have the need for speed Aug 12 20:41:49 eveyeah esp for loaner devs Aug 12 20:41:55 I'm gonna check out if they have an api Aug 12 20:41:56 anyone who activated a device it appears Aug 12 20:42:08 CTLAdvance: Yep. Mine was for my loaner Aug 12 20:42:33 :'( Aug 12 20:42:35 I guess I have a device I will be using then... no sense investing in android now Aug 12 20:42:39 seals the deal Aug 12 20:42:46 stupid lack of copy/paste between vb and desktop Aug 12 20:43:13 Tibfib: get TIDE and then just do everything in the emulator Aug 12 20:43:18 10.1 is being shelved Aug 12 20:43:22 (except for dev) Aug 12 20:43:28 haeffb: hmm? Aug 12 20:43:44 STOP USING WINDOWS AND DO EVERYTHING ON webOS Aug 12 20:43:55 oh, yes Aug 12 20:44:01 waiting on wIRC for touchpad.... Aug 12 20:44:05 (see how I correctly spelled webOS even while yelling?) Aug 12 20:44:10 who uses windows to develop for a web/linux platform? it's over my head Aug 12 20:44:13 haeffb: +1 Aug 12 20:44:19 NuttyBunny: me Aug 12 20:44:22 NuttyBunny: me Aug 12 20:44:33 html/js is pretty easy with it Aug 12 20:44:34 woah Tibfib and I have same amount of characters in our names Aug 12 20:44:36 NuttyBunny: Not me anymore Aug 12 20:44:40 and haeffb Aug 12 20:44:46 woah Aug 12 20:44:50 Ubuntu Aug 12 20:44:52 haeffb: I wish he didn't use so much curse words as it invites the wrong kind of people to comment. That being said, he arguments are pretty spot on Aug 12 20:45:13 twbbas: protip, wizardrss.com thisismynext Aug 12 20:45:14 WIN Aug 12 20:45:14 his* Aug 12 20:45:36 akanster: yes. If webOS dies, it's due to HP's marketing or lack thereof. Aug 12 20:45:40 I won't use windows for webOS development ever. I don't want to have oil's problem when submitting wIRC Aug 12 20:46:53 it's not that hard to change your text editor's line endings.... Aug 12 20:46:58 really. Aug 12 20:47:00 that's not a reason Aug 12 20:47:17 enyo.Popup is so unsexy Aug 12 20:47:22 no, things should just work Aug 12 20:47:29 akanster: you can make it better Aug 12 20:47:47 look at the popups example app Aug 12 20:48:05 I'm trying. I always end up with this huge un-style-able border Aug 12 20:48:30 * CTLAdvance 10.1 puts 10.1 galaxy tab in the drawer... Aug 12 20:48:36 * CTLAdvance slams it shut Aug 12 20:48:47 * CTLAdvance gets assaulted by android robot Aug 12 20:49:03 Google will be displease, CTLAdvance. Aug 12 20:49:04 * CTLAdvance smashes the screen in, puts it back in the drawer Aug 12 20:49:12 * CTLAdvance winning Aug 12 20:51:25 http://www.marco.org/2011/08/12/tablets-vs-obscure-video-game-consoles - tablet diss! Aug 12 20:52:43 * Tibfib could pay for rss feed expanding: http://fivefilters.org/content-only/ Aug 12 20:53:03 probably not going to Aug 12 20:53:39 woohoo! I made it into the newspaper! Aug 12 20:53:57 haeffb: under the "arrests" section? Aug 12 20:54:05 might not want to brag about that... Aug 12 20:54:06 not this time! http://www.maconch.com/topstories/x1852612245/Macon-R-1-board-sets-tax-rate Aug 12 20:54:08 I really need a touchpad 4g though, lack of 3g data is killing me Aug 12 20:54:59 I'm all over the second paragraph. Aug 12 20:56:41 really? 10Million of Turbografx-16? Aug 12 20:59:14 has anybody had any trouble with the 1.7ghz kermels? Aug 12 20:59:28 kernel Aug 12 21:05:47 How to convert a unix timestamp to local time? Aug 12 21:09:41 * PatrickC thinks his app would be easier to make in C++... :/ Aug 12 21:10:33 PatrickC: what app? Aug 12 21:10:50 pepone: a game Aug 12 21:11:18 2D/3D? Aug 12 21:11:47 2D to start Aug 12 21:11:49 3D later Aug 12 21:11:57 SDL seems nice for 2D stuff Aug 12 21:12:09 sdl is C++? Aug 12 21:12:14 yes C++ Aug 12 21:12:19 thought so Aug 12 21:12:21 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/app-idea-third-party-email-app.509/ Aug 12 21:12:50 pepone: my problem is I don't know C++ (or any 'C' language) Aug 12 21:13:12 brb Aug 12 21:13:22 Writing a game will be a good way to learn C++ Aug 12 21:14:41 I think one of the first thing i program in C, was a SDL tetras clone, but that was 10 years ago, i don't know where that code goes, but i learn it with fun Aug 12 21:17:02 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/from-the-grapevine-the-future-of-webos-smart-phones/ Aug 12 21:17:11 lol, the mockup says 8/16/32/54gb ROM Aug 12 21:17:49 just what i need, 64 gigs of read-only memory Aug 12 21:20:11 me too Aug 12 21:20:11 pepone: what would you suggest as a good tutorial for SDL/C++ game writing? Aug 12 21:28:17 PatrickC: For C++ "Thinking in C++" will be a good point to start, is freely available see http://www.omerique.net/Eckel/ Aug 12 21:28:59 PatrickC: learn proper C first so that those C++ vampires don't teach you all sorts of terrible habits Aug 12 21:29:14 * esser eyes pepone out of the corner of his eye and withdraws carefully. Aug 12 21:29:30 esser: I first learn C too Aug 12 21:30:12 but use C++ mostly for my day to day work Aug 12 21:31:22 esser: where would be a good place to start with C? Aug 12 21:31:33 PatrickC: are you willing to invest in a book? Aug 12 21:31:44 atm.. not really.. :/ Aug 12 21:31:56 my money is tied up in a "touchpad fund" Aug 12 21:32:26 ok Aug 12 21:32:28 well Aug 12 21:32:29 there's this Aug 12 21:32:30 http://publications.gbdirect.co.uk/c_book/ Aug 12 21:33:23 alternatively, if you ask your parents first if it's alright, i'll mail you a copy of "C Programming Language" by K&R; which is about as close to definitive as it gets Aug 12 21:33:35 i like encouraging that sort of thing, but i absolutely must have an ok from your parents first Aug 12 21:33:57 the ansi edition or the k&r edition :p Aug 12 21:34:10 hrm Aug 12 21:34:13 it's ANSI i am pretty sure Aug 12 21:34:20 yeah it's 2nd edition Aug 12 21:34:44 pepone: language for your timestamp conversion? C? localtime()? Aug 12 21:35:09 How can remove al child components of a given component with Enyo? Aug 12 21:35:40 pepone: this.$.component.destroyComponents() Aug 12 21:35:48 maybe Aug 12 21:35:51 PatrickC: Also check out MIT's OpenCourseWare for free lecture materials in introductory programming classes. Aug 12 21:36:00 dwc: i have a long epoch , that i want to covert to a local timestamp Aug 12 21:36:05 I bet you could find a fairly cheap used copy of the K&R book at bookstores Aug 12 21:36:23 HattCzech_tp: what's up?!?!?! Aug 12 21:36:29 brb Aug 12 21:36:35 hehe Aug 12 21:36:43 a professor locally wrote a book called "Pointers on C" which i liked a lot Aug 12 21:37:06 get it? the title is great Aug 12 21:37:16 pepone: localtime() Aug 12 21:37:17 I was wondering if I could get you to move a post in the forums to get more exposure, but Ben has already responded to it Aug 12 21:37:27 bpadalino: nerd humor ftw Aug 12 21:37:35 every time i see it on my desk i giggle Aug 12 21:38:00 not that i use it much .. but i should write more c :( Aug 12 21:38:09 nerd humor is the best kind of humor Aug 12 21:38:09 HattCzech_tp: okay, glad to be of service! :D Aug 12 21:38:15 dwc-: i using now "var d = new Date(); d.setTime(timestamp); d.toLocaleTimeString();" that works, just thinking Aug 12 21:38:15 if Enyo provides a short way to do that. Aug 12 21:38:21 oh.... javascript. Aug 12 21:38:42 pepone: that's what I do to. Aug 12 21:38:58 now if you can improve Ben's answer and say it'll get fixed, that would be awesome :-) Aug 12 21:39:30 haha, what post? Aug 12 21:39:41 Hi Aug 12 21:39:56 Is there a way to programatically turn bluetooth on/off? Aug 12 21:41:36 I tried luna://com.palm.bluetooth/gap/radioon with no success Aug 12 21:48:02 is there something similar to Jquery Selectors in Enyo? i want to do "component.child(".foo").remove();" Aug 12 21:57:39 pepone: you should use the enyo.format functions so that the time string is formatted according to the user's language Aug 12 21:57:50 unless toLocaleTmeString does that... Aug 12 21:58:17 enyo.g11n.DateFmt Aug 12 21:58:50 yes toLocale do that, too, but DateFmt seems better to custom formats Aug 12 22:04:53 howdy folks! Aug 12 22:05:23 howdy Aug 12 22:09:18 any ideas on how to detect application being close? Aug 12 22:09:58 onbeforeunload or similar Aug 12 22:11:56 {kind: "ApplicationEvents", Aug 12 22:11:56 onUnload: "cleanup", Aug 12 22:12:19 don't expect async calls to return, though Aug 12 22:12:32 * oil expects it! Aug 12 22:12:36 Zinio is the premier app for digital magazines on WebOS, with thousands of top titles from around the world. With Zinio, you can browse the expansive newsstand, download digital subscriptions or single issues of your favorite magazines and access them on multiple devices. Read what you like—anytime and anywhere. Aug 12 22:12:55 great. except it doesn't exist in the catalog. Aug 12 22:13:09 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/apps-books-references.html Aug 12 22:13:18 does onUnload run before plug-ins are kill Aug 12 22:13:36 not sure how to gracefully shutdown a plug-in Aug 12 22:28:56 Tibfib_, notifications aren't working Aug 12 22:56:51 hey al Aug 12 23:02:12 hi PatrickC, from al Aug 12 23:02:41 twbbas: hey Aug 12 23:02:57 Tibfib: y u no make my notifications work Aug 12 23:03:06 twbbas: can you open lumberjack and view the old logs Aug 12 23:03:09 ya Aug 12 23:03:10 then pastebin or email em to me Aug 12 23:03:20 I found the circumstances of the problem though Aug 12 23:03:24 oh good Aug 12 23:03:25 they worked only for WOR Aug 12 23:03:34 but, those were the first ones I enabled Aug 12 23:03:36 so...? Aug 12 23:03:59 Tibfib: nothing in the lumberjack log Aug 12 23:06:02 I don't believe youuuuuu Aug 12 23:06:17 so you know for sure these feeds are enabled? Aug 12 23:06:34 if you hold onto them they say "stop notifications" Aug 12 23:06:36 ? Aug 12 23:06:43 Yes Aug 12 23:06:46 that's how I knew Aug 12 23:07:01 there should have been something in lumberjack Aug 12 23:07:14 :/ Aug 12 23:07:17 retrieve log? Aug 12 23:07:20 yeah Aug 12 23:07:22 blank Aug 12 23:07:38 earlier there was only 1 thign in there when I showed you the error msg before Aug 12 23:07:43 don't know if that matters or not Aug 12 23:08:12 Tibfib: How are you logging stuff? Aug 12 23:08:14 not really Aug 12 23:08:16 console.log Aug 12 23:08:28 I use enyo.log in my apps. Don't know if that's different than console.log Aug 12 23:08:39 console.log shows up when I use palm-log. Aug 12 23:08:55 so does enyo.log Aug 12 23:08:57 pretty sure enyo.log is just a wrapper to console.log Aug 12 23:09:03 probably Aug 12 23:09:06 I'll palm-log it Aug 12 23:09:10 thanks Aug 12 23:09:17 what's app id? Aug 12 23:09:22 com.tibfib.app.nomnomnom Aug 12 23:09:49 ok following logs and nothing so far Aug 12 23:09:56 I have it set to look for new notifs every 15 secs Aug 12 23:10:06 still blank Aug 12 23:10:08 =\ Aug 12 23:10:20 do you have any patches enabled to remove logging? Aug 12 23:10:29 Nope. No patches at all Aug 12 23:10:33 freshly doctored Aug 12 23:10:42 I just installed preware right before I installed this latest build Aug 12 23:10:47 in order to install from email Aug 12 23:11:09 hrmmmmmmmm, I don't know why you aren't getting notifications. Aug 12 23:11:15 err, at the very least, logs. Aug 12 23:11:20 =\ Aug 12 23:11:33 see if anyone else is having the same problem Aug 12 23:12:06 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping Aug 12 23:13:20 I'm gonna test it on the emulator Aug 12 23:13:30 Tibfib: pong Aug 12 23:13:41 the new version is impeccable Aug 12 23:13:57 have you tested out notifications? Aug 12 23:14:17 I haven't seen any Aug 12 23:14:23 you have to enable them Aug 12 23:14:25 it's supposed to work while the app is closed, yeah? Aug 12 23:14:26 I did Aug 12 23:14:28 virtual box broke Aug 12 23:15:02 IGNTNUNLMTD: supposed to Aug 12 23:15:06 help anyone, phonegap's default API does not include ANYTHING webOS.... Aug 12 23:15:09 crap. I need a touchpad Aug 12 23:15:13 recommendations? Aug 12 23:15:21 I might have to disable notifications until I get one Aug 12 23:15:38 IGNTNUNLMTD: Did you enable notifications per feed? Aug 12 23:15:45 no Aug 12 23:15:47 ^ Aug 12 23:15:52 tap and hold on each feed Aug 12 23:15:56 select notifications Aug 12 23:16:06 ah Aug 12 23:16:10 is that final? Aug 12 23:16:13 I hope not Aug 12 23:16:18 likewise Aug 12 23:16:29 ah, yeah Aug 12 23:16:29 how do you want it to work? Aug 12 23:16:29 all enabled by default? Aug 12 23:16:31 I can't find a single default API that incorporates webOS in phonegap... Aug 12 23:16:33 Tibfib got mad at me earlier because I didn't do that either Aug 12 23:16:35 all enabled Aug 12 23:16:38 like feeder Aug 12 23:16:50 okeydokey Aug 12 23:17:02 Tibfib: What about having a popup menu when you select notifications on with all the feeds and checkmarks by each one that's enabled? Aug 12 23:17:04 I'll default all enabled, 1 hour Aug 12 23:17:29 twbbas: it's an option, but I'd rather not Aug 12 23:19:39 Tibfib: my emulator is messed up. NomNomNom isn't even loading in it Aug 12 23:19:45 "enyo is not defined" "mojo is not defined" Aug 12 23:19:54 hmmmmmmmmm Aug 12 23:19:57 that's really weird Aug 12 23:20:02 I never ever ever reference mojo Aug 12 23:20:04 ya probably my emulator Aug 12 23:20:08 it wouldn't load 3.0.2 Aug 12 23:20:11 so I tried 3.0.0 Aug 12 23:20:27 <--- doesn't test in emulators Aug 12 23:20:35 chrome ftw Aug 12 23:21:52 ouch... just got my tuition invoice for the coming semester :( Aug 12 23:22:04 hey has anyone got a loaner device here? Aug 12 23:22:17 ajay_: This guy. Aug 12 23:22:27 how long'd it take to ship to ya? Aug 12 23:22:43 They shipped it on a friday I believe and it came Monday Aug 12 23:22:52 I think overnight Aug 12 23:23:02 I don't know if they deliver on saturdays here Aug 12 23:23:03 wow.. i wish i did this in the morning.. ;^) Aug 12 23:24:14 http://twitpic.com/5edf53/full Aug 12 23:24:26 LOL Aug 12 23:24:32 * twbbas is gonna retweet that Aug 12 23:25:10 * ajay_ no offense, but kinda hates links (esp w/o context) bein pasted into channel.. Aug 12 23:25:30 ajay_: how many are you ordering? Aug 12 23:25:40 1 Aug 12 23:25:43 Tibfib : best webOS oriented addition to phonegap? Aug 12 23:25:53 Tibfib: lol Aug 12 23:25:54 ajay_: no offense taken, however I don't think I'll change.... Aug 12 23:25:56 bbl Aug 12 23:26:00 * ajay_ thinks the rule that 2/quarter, ordered at same time for loaner devs.. also stupid.. Aug 12 23:26:05 siestacat: No clue mate, sorry. :/ Aug 12 23:26:37 Tibfib : who does? Aug 12 23:27:03 hmmm Aug 12 23:27:12 matbee I believe Aug 12 23:27:51 another good one: http://twitpic.com/62oh90 Aug 12 23:28:11 time to follow _Snape_ Aug 12 23:28:36 yeah no kidding Aug 12 23:28:36 bbl all Aug 12 23:30:16 http://twitpic.com/5wy7la Aug 12 23:31:19 matbee : Any idea what's a good add-on for webOS? Aug 12 23:31:30 matbee : phonegap, sorry Aug 12 23:33:37 http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/56721/radioshack-16gb-hp-touchpad-wifi-9.7-tablet - TouchPad for $325 Aug 12 23:33:49 It was $300 earlier Aug 12 23:33:57 at Staples Aug 12 23:34:02 last week Aug 12 23:34:06 let's move on Aug 12 23:35:25 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, notifications working well on my emu here Aug 12 23:35:26 :/ Aug 12 23:35:34 I set it to lower Aug 12 23:35:40 mine was set too high Aug 12 23:37:19 lmk when the 32gb comes to $300, i'll be _so_ over that :) Aug 12 23:37:26 ok hungry.. need to mail things.. ta! Aug 12 23:37:45 and I made the app auto-add all notifications Aug 12 23:38:11 GOT IT, Tibfib! Aug 12 23:38:14 they work! Aug 12 23:38:14 yay! Aug 12 23:38:28 I will eventually have tapping on them open up the feed Aug 12 23:38:34 but for now, it's good enough Aug 12 23:40:49 agreed Aug 12 23:41:18 it get's pretty complicated Aug 12 23:41:22 with mutliple windows Aug 12 23:41:28 yeah, I'm sure Aug 12 23:41:33 no need to overcomplicate things Aug 12 23:41:36 it's a good balance now Aug 12 23:42:10 and I should be getting a notification icon itself soon Aug 12 23:44:39 Tibfib, when is spaz gonna suports lists? Aug 12 23:44:56 it already does Aug 12 23:44:57 lol Aug 12 23:45:10 well, it supports reading list Aug 12 23:45:19 anything more will require other contributions Aug 12 23:45:35 its opensource PuffTheMagic :) Aug 12 23:45:44 Tibfib, i dont see an option for adding a list Aug 12 23:45:58 interacting with twitter isn't what I do and funkatron won't add any more twitter-specific features himself Aug 12 23:45:58 or seeing the lists i have on my account Aug 12 23:46:04 PuffTheMagic: you can add a column for lists Aug 12 23:46:13 * oil has no lists Aug 12 23:46:14 to be honest, I don't know if that is in the catalog version Aug 12 23:46:22 I don't think so Aug 12 23:46:32 no, it isn't Aug 12 23:47:57 I can't wait for Oxide Aug 12 23:48:01 :/ Aug 12 23:48:18 PuffTheMagic: there are links to the latest betas on twitter.com/spaz Aug 12 23:50:34 anyone know if I disable notifications for Feeder on the TouchPad, will it do so for the Pre 2 as well? Aug 12 23:50:44 doubt it Aug 12 23:50:48 but maybe hah Aug 12 23:51:40 it best not Aug 12 23:51:49 that would be ridiculously annoying Aug 12 23:54:30 "it better not sync my settings across devices" ? Aug 12 23:54:41 imo that sounds awesome Aug 12 23:55:01 not if you don't want to have two RSS readers throwing notifs at you Aug 12 23:55:09 and I can just delete Feeder Aug 12 23:55:21 because then, it'll hose my settings altogether Aug 12 23:56:34 hey, its funkatron Aug 12 23:57:03 isn't that right, oil? it'll delete my settings if I remove the app from my TouchPad? Aug 12 23:57:12 idk Aug 12 23:57:18 depends on how they're saved? Aug 12 23:59:02 hey, it is Aug 13 00:12:56 Tibfib: Could there be an option to show the notif as all unread? Aug 13 00:17:53 Tibfib: Strike that, I see how it works... Brilliant Aug 13 00:19:26 tibfib where is my beta Aug 13 00:19:27 ? Aug 13 00:23:49 99 failed transactions! Aug 13 00:23:54 How does that happen? Aug 13 00:24:31 1 user with a bad card *really* wants to buy your app. :) Aug 13 00:24:54 haha Aug 13 00:26:39 is there a way to unzip a file on your phone? Aug 13 00:27:08 would it be a terminal command? Aug 13 00:33:55 anyone here use jquery mobile? Aug 13 00:33:57 I need help Aug 13 00:34:01 with phonegap Aug 13 00:34:10 ziplock503 : believe there is a terminal command to unzip Aug 13 00:34:40 I just downloaded terminus .. would you happen to know it? Aug 13 00:34:52 'unzip' Aug 13 00:35:10 I forget the parameters Aug 13 00:35:11 it's busybox's unzip, so it's far from featureful, but it should work ok for basic use Aug 13 00:35:12 lol ty Aug 13 00:35:18 http://pastebin.com/VDVvJLJR Aug 13 00:35:21 just type unzip on its own and it'll show you some usage Aug 13 00:35:33 I'm trying to test my environment Aug 13 00:35:37 and I can't get that to run on my phone Aug 13 00:35:40 endless glowing Aug 13 00:35:47 So no idea what's going on Aug 13 00:35:52 use Xecutah Aug 13 00:35:54 unzip /media/internal/blah.zip /media/internal/blah ? Aug 13 00:36:10 -d /media/internal/blah Aug 13 00:36:18 k I'll give it a shot thanks Aug 13 00:36:44 Xecutah Aug 13 00:36:49 ? Aug 13 00:36:59 I typically cd to where I want to unzip something, and then unzip /path/to/foo.zip Aug 13 00:37:07 then I don't have to remember parameters :) Aug 13 00:37:17 its in preware I'm guessing Aug 13 00:37:25 Xecutah is the only terminal solution which works on all webOS devices and webOS versions Aug 13 00:37:36 it's in the testing feed Aug 13 00:37:41 kk terminus seems broke or buggy Aug 13 00:38:39 whats test feed link .. seems I only have test feed for kernals Aug 13 00:39:21 ~testing-feeds Aug 13 00:39:24 ~testing-feed Aug 13 00:39:30 oh. that don't work here. Aug 13 00:40:01 if you have the test feed for kernels, then you must have read the wiki page which also has the app testing feeds Aug 13 00:40:26 k got it Aug 13 00:45:49 hey all Aug 13 00:46:51 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/app-idea-third-party-email-app.509/ Aug 13 00:51:53 unzip blah.zip worked great in Xecutah ty! Aug 13 00:54:48 esser: thanks for that site! Aug 13 00:54:54 it looks like it has what I need Aug 13 00:57:44 PatrickC: I started a gmail client a while ago Aug 13 00:57:55 Tibfib: how far did you get? Aug 13 00:57:59 not very Aug 13 00:58:05 that's what I need/use :) Aug 13 00:58:11 webos email app hates me Aug 13 01:00:42 how can you have 600 people.. and a dead channel.. :/ Aug 13 01:01:23 depends on the topic of discussion ;) Aug 13 01:01:51 rwhitby: ##c++ :) Aug 13 01:02:16 I'm trying to find out what compiler is better from users who have experience Aug 13 01:02:26 Can you use C++ for webOS development? Aug 13 01:02:31 yes Aug 13 01:02:40 where Aug 13 01:02:48 * PatrickC loves how we have ~100 almost always. and we are usually a active channel :) Aug 13 01:02:59 siestacat: most the games on webos are c++ iirc Aug 13 01:03:29 and oil: isn't wirc hybrid? (c++/mojo)? Aug 13 01:03:47 yes its a hybrid Aug 13 01:03:54 PatrickC: webOS can get pretty dead Aug 13 01:04:03 Tibfib: it can Aug 13 01:04:13 but with approx. 100 people, that can be expected Aug 13 01:04:19 idk if its c or c++ though, PuffTheMagic would be able to answer that Aug 13 01:04:36 heh, #webos-internals has more users xD Aug 13 01:04:37 i wasnt not connected so idk what was asked Aug 13 01:04:51 its been almost 10 min since I asked my question in ##c++ and no one has responded Aug 13 01:04:52 the wirc plugin Aug 13 01:05:00 and they have 600 people Aug 13 01:05:06 PatrickC: what was the question? Aug 13 01:05:06 * Tibfib wonders how PatrickC asked his question Aug 13 01:05:20 rwhitby: Borland or Code::Blocks for a compiler Aug 13 01:05:39 * rwhitby chuckles Aug 13 01:05:53 rwhitby: looking for a free, windows compiler :) Aug 13 01:06:00 PatrickC, wirc plugin is java Aug 13 01:06:19 PuffTheMagic: and it works in 2.x? I thought Java was done away with? Aug 13 01:06:37 i use gcj to compile it to C Aug 13 01:06:41 but its all java to start with Aug 13 01:06:42 ah Aug 13 01:06:58 it was kense's idea Aug 13 01:07:08 he's a wise one, that kense Aug 13 01:07:09 now you're just really screwing him up Aug 13 01:07:23 kesne* :) Aug 13 01:07:45 kense is the wise one Aug 13 01:08:05 there are 2? lol Aug 13 01:08:17 kense is the smartest <18 year old in the world Aug 13 01:08:33 kense is awesome Aug 13 01:09:05 OIL: Y U NO ASK FOR NOMNOMNOM? Aug 13 01:09:23 * oil has asked a few times Aug 13 01:09:35 at this point I don't remember Aug 13 01:09:43 I just remember you saying you didn't get it, never actually asking fo rit Aug 13 01:09:55 IGNTNUNLMTD, twbbas, notifications working properly? Aug 13 01:10:32 tibfib where is my beta Aug 13 01:10:47 that's not asking for it... Aug 13 01:10:55 Tibfib, dont call out oil on anything, he logs everything Aug 13 01:11:00 hahaha Aug 13 01:11:05 never know when he will bust out a log on your ass Aug 13 01:11:23 oil: want a stable version or a semi-stable one? Aug 13 01:11:28 with fancy shmancy notifications? Aug 13 01:11:33 * oil wants coolest one Aug 13 01:11:40 so v0.0.1? Aug 13 01:11:46 * halfhalo wants one on fire Aug 13 01:11:58 * Tibfib releases nomnomnom in 5 versions Aug 13 01:12:08 on fire, frozen... Aug 13 01:12:15 * Tibfib wants black belt Aug 13 01:13:21 * siestacat wonders what Tibfib uses to write nomnomnom Aug 13 01:13:33 siestacat: a text editor Aug 13 01:13:55 a sublime text editor. Aug 13 01:14:06 ooo! I love sublime! Aug 13 01:14:18 Yeah, funkatron and I told you about it. Aug 13 01:14:26 yep Aug 13 01:14:27 its amazing Aug 13 01:14:34 heh Aug 13 01:15:12 PatrickC : Native tools? Aug 13 01:15:30 siestacat: like? Aug 13 01:15:32 Tibfib: not written in vb 6 then converted? Aug 13 01:15:33 Not the actual writing utility Aug 13 01:15:50 oil: perhaps Aug 13 01:15:56 siestacat: yep, sdk Aug 13 01:16:06 siestacat: cmd like Aug 13 01:16:30 PatrickC: Y U NO UNDERSTAND siestacat? Aug 13 01:16:36 line7 Aug 13 01:16:39 line** Aug 13 01:16:43 Tibfib: WHAT DID I DO? Aug 13 01:16:52 rofl Aug 13 01:17:03 anybody playing G+G (google+ game) called edgeworld? Aug 13 01:17:04 * halfhalo writes his code with a magnetic chisel and hamer. Aug 13 01:17:05 I'm new, webOS kinda sucks from a developer standpoint Aug 13 01:17:41 siestacat: why? Aug 13 01:18:45 crap. Aug 13 01:19:04 PatrickC: I don't like the web Aug 13 01:19:11 PatrickC : No money Aug 13 01:19:27 google and facebook beg to differ Aug 13 01:19:41 facebook sucks Aug 13 01:19:48 I don't even have an account Aug 13 01:19:49 because you say they do? Aug 13 01:19:52 Google I love Aug 13 01:19:56 doesn't get around the fact that they make money... Aug 13 01:20:08 Tibfib : my words are law Aug 13 01:20:39 sure Aug 13 01:20:41 mine toooo Aug 13 01:20:56 no Aug 13 01:21:01 rwhitby's words are law Aug 13 01:21:09 Tibfib: Yes, working great Aug 13 01:21:13 awesome Aug 13 01:21:17 at first I didn't understand them Aug 13 01:21:26 and I was like, "Wtf is he thinking" Aug 13 01:21:29 haha Aug 13 01:21:36 and then I saw how they were grouped as one notif Aug 13 01:21:39 like the mail accounts Aug 13 01:21:41 brilliant Aug 13 01:21:44 love it. Aug 13 01:21:55 It would be pretty hard to have individual notifications for each article Aug 13 01:22:09 well, maybe not Aug 13 01:22:17 it would just require more ajax requests Aug 13 01:22:30 IGNTNUNLMTD: thanks! Aug 13 01:22:35 any improvements you can think of? Aug 13 01:22:42 I Aug 13 01:22:50 I am more than satisfied with this app Aug 13 01:23:18 :) Aug 13 01:23:30 hey Tibfib my gmail is brandonvb@ Aug 13 01:23:37 hahaha Aug 13 01:23:42 * oil awaits package :) Aug 13 01:23:46 oil: am typing out the email RIGHT now Aug 13 01:23:59 like I just typed in "brandon" to find your email in gmail Aug 13 01:24:19 lol Aug 13 01:24:30 LIES Aug 13 01:24:35 no really Aug 13 01:24:48 I found out I have an email address bishhbrandon in my contacts Aug 13 01:24:50 dunno who it is Aug 13 01:25:47 not me Aug 13 01:25:50 oil: sending once the attachment is uploaded Aug 13 01:26:02 * oil installs on-device <3 preware :) Aug 13 01:26:56 oil: did you see govnah issue re: exhibition? Aug 13 01:27:02 yeah Aug 13 01:27:07 haven't had a change to take a look yet Aug 13 01:27:14 oil: notifications should be on by default Aug 13 01:27:17 checking every hour Aug 13 01:27:31 if you could, leave them on until it notifies you once Aug 13 01:27:34 then do what you want Aug 13 01:28:35 ok Aug 13 01:28:51 thanks, just wanna make sure they work Aug 13 01:29:46 nice icon Aug 13 01:29:47 heh Aug 13 01:30:14 the app is gorgeous if you don't mind me saying so Aug 13 01:30:26 the designer I have working on it is top-notch Aug 13 01:30:32 hoping to work with him on future projects Aug 13 01:35:02 I hope you damn well do Aug 13 01:35:02 you guys clearly make an epic team Aug 13 01:35:39 he kind of treats me like I don't know what I'm doing, but that's okay. Aug 13 01:35:52 lol Aug 13 01:36:06 lol Aug 13 01:36:29 it happens Aug 13 01:36:41 I'm assuming as time goes on, he won't. ;) Aug 13 01:36:53 or more likely, he'll do it more Aug 13 01:37:21 after he sees how well this sells... Aug 13 01:39:01 aw man, is there really no full screen browser mode patch for 2.1.0? Aug 13 01:39:53 oh i found one actually i think Aug 13 02:03:09 Tibfib: how much does he charge? Aug 13 02:03:20 ask him Aug 13 02:03:27 who is he? Aug 13 02:04:10 dan lipson Aug 13 02:06:30 Tibfib: "dan lipson" returns a ton of results on Google. link to his site? Aug 13 02:10:10 * PatrickC is recognised as staff on the WOR forums :) Aug 13 02:10:24 want a cookie? Aug 13 02:10:53 yes please Aug 13 02:10:58 sigh Aug 13 02:11:19 how's it goin akanster Aug 13 02:11:56 pretty good. Aug 13 02:13:05 ughh, I don't like it when my real friends start following me on twitter Aug 13 02:13:15 lol Aug 13 02:13:18 like I really only care about webOS and mobile stuff Aug 13 02:13:21 you have real friends? Aug 13 02:13:28 I don't want to follow you back and hear what you had for dinner Aug 13 02:13:31 kirksutton: just a couple Aug 13 02:13:47 or however many my parents pay this month Aug 13 02:13:54 just don't follow them back Aug 13 02:13:57 I don't. Aug 13 02:14:06 hm, any good rdp client yet? Aug 13 02:14:20 I see no problem. Aug 13 02:14:34 not sure how thatd look on a pre2 screen but it would be neat to see Aug 13 02:16:19 kirksutton: and then they complain they have no idea what I'm tweeting about Aug 13 02:16:31 #firstworldproblems Aug 13 02:18:32 haeffb, oil: enjoying nomnomnom? Aug 13 02:19:24 * PatrickC doesn't really have any rss feeds.. or he would ask for his nomnomnom update :) Aug 13 02:19:54 tib, can i has noms? Aug 13 02:20:39 palm broke my email app http://pastebin.com/Rxb9rc99 Aug 13 02:21:44 Tibfib: i need to add some feeds xD Aug 13 02:22:05 kevets: are you a big google reader user? Aug 13 02:22:32 yeah i have everything in there Aug 13 02:22:35 okay Aug 13 02:22:43 you will officially be my last tester Aug 13 02:22:49 pm me your email Aug 13 02:22:51 and havent found a newsreader better than the mobile site Aug 13 02:22:58 ..yet :) Aug 13 02:23:02 Tibfib: was I in that list? Aug 13 02:23:08 I don't remember to be honest Aug 13 02:23:09 I forget. if not, that's fine :) Aug 13 02:23:18 that's fine Aug 13 02:23:20 you don't have a TP so there's no reason Aug 13 02:23:27 lol Aug 13 02:23:28 I'll have one soon Aug 13 02:23:30 lol Aug 13 02:23:35 hes gonna run it on his phone! Aug 13 02:23:45 and then complain it doesn't work to me. Aug 13 02:23:51 heh Aug 13 02:23:52 is this TP only? i only have a pre2... Aug 13 02:23:56 oh. Aug 13 02:23:56 * PatrickC doesn't complain about that anymore Aug 13 02:24:01 I try and fix now :) Aug 13 02:24:03 its enyo Aug 13 02:24:03 kevets: sorry mate Aug 13 02:24:09 good evening Aug 13 02:24:10 aww Aug 13 02:24:13 look at the "Slide Reader" app Aug 13 02:24:18 and the screenshots Aug 13 02:24:24 what do they look like? Aug 13 02:24:49 well thanks anyway maybe pre2 will get enyo one day Aug 13 02:25:06 * PatrickC 's pre2 already has enyo Aug 13 02:25:12 lol dont hold your breath Aug 13 02:25:40 yeah i know better than that, im a webos user Aug 13 02:25:52 nomnomnom will probably never be intended for phones Aug 13 02:26:03 howd you manage that patc? Aug 13 02:26:12 Tibfib: dont you need to run that by your designer first? Aug 13 02:26:16 lolols Aug 13 02:26:21 oil: boom, roasted Aug 13 02:26:40 kevets: manually put the enyo into the needed folder Aug 13 02:26:41 I wear the pants, but he wears a trenchcoat Aug 13 02:26:54 get a duster! Aug 13 02:26:58 ill just have to get a tab then :) if it gets some good terminal and rdp apps that would be something Aug 13 02:28:25 http://www.hotteeez.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/a1398_bm2.gif - lol! Aug 13 02:28:38 oh gosh Aug 13 02:28:53 and I just had a pb&j :( Aug 13 02:29:21 http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2011/4/29/c7111f47-8826-4176-87ef-ff7d4d8da5af_thumb.jpeg Aug 13 02:30:56 ugh.. no good google reader clients on the phone that are free and have notifications Aug 13 02:31:12 PatrickC: sometimes you have to pony up and pay for stuff Aug 13 02:31:34 Tibfib: I don't want to pay for it, and then end up not using it Aug 13 02:31:48 I don't know if I'll like greader.. I want to try before I buy Aug 13 02:31:59 yeah i dunno Aug 13 02:32:00 so that's why you have bought 2 apps total? Aug 13 02:32:09 HRM Aug 13 02:32:15 I wonder if I should do a lite nomnomnom Aug 13 02:32:18 Tibfib: 1 app :) Aug 13 02:32:22 * kevets hasnt bought an app yet Aug 13 02:32:23 that's worse Aug 13 02:32:27 and it was angry birds, wasn't it? Aug 13 02:32:35 kevets: come on man!! Aug 13 02:32:38 support your platform Aug 13 02:32:40 you shouldn't even admit that in a channel full of devs :( Aug 13 02:32:49 * CTLAdvance hasnt bought an app, all of my phone apps loaded up Aug 13 02:32:56 i knowww that was a mistake lol Aug 13 02:33:03 * Tibfib has purchased 50+ apps Aug 13 02:33:07 angry birds original plays in full screen, though not hd Aug 13 02:33:07 * PatrickC hides in corner Aug 13 02:33:15 about 10-20 of which I regret. Aug 13 02:33:32 * CTLAdvance gets ready to prime his 50 dollar coupon :) Aug 13 02:33:36 Support the devs Aug 13 02:33:42 CTLAdvance: OM NOMNOMNOM Aug 13 02:33:44 does it do carrier billing? Aug 13 02:33:52 I believe so Aug 13 02:34:01 or do i need to tie a cc to my profile? Aug 13 02:34:10 halfhalo: ping Aug 13 02:34:15 kevets: either Aug 13 02:34:24 interesting Aug 13 02:34:28 I think. Aug 13 02:34:28 What is this NOMNOMNOM Aug 13 02:34:40 * CTLAdvance what I did at lunch today Aug 13 02:34:56 http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/102060998604763139 Aug 13 02:35:03 but srslt Aug 13 02:35:05 y Aug 13 02:35:16 * oil is eatin right nao Aug 13 02:35:23 well i just got my new job offer today so i may start supporting some devs soon lol Aug 13 02:36:11 * Tibfib is thinking about how best to market nomnomnom Aug 13 02:36:17 how to kick it off well Aug 13 02:36:35 get some reviews on prominent sites Aug 13 02:36:50 and some twitter power users to tweet about it Aug 13 02:37:09 * oil tweets about hos much it sucks Aug 13 02:37:13 but, im no power user lol Aug 13 02:37:14 haha Aug 13 02:37:22 "hey I'll send you a free version of NomNomNom if you tweet about it" Aug 13 02:37:31 moo Aug 13 02:37:34 a promo code Aug 13 02:37:38 akanster: sure Aug 13 02:37:42 but a free version first Aug 13 02:37:47 before the app is submitted Aug 13 02:37:54 looks pretty sharp Aug 13 02:38:09 do you have a pic of it with feeds loaded? Aug 13 02:38:11 Tibfib: heh, with a different app id so they can't get free updates! Aug 13 02:38:13 Tibfib: ? Aug 13 02:38:22 akanster: well a free version, and then a promo code Aug 13 02:38:23 a precentral blog feature :) Aug 13 02:38:32 thought they fixed that appid bug? Aug 13 02:38:34 * PatrickC cries thinking about leaving webos :"( Aug 13 02:38:36 they did Aug 13 02:38:46 they did? Aug 13 02:39:08 what would you go to? Aug 13 02:39:23 * oil gets the champaign ready for the party? Aug 13 02:39:23 kevets: iPhone 5 Aug 13 02:39:50 oh well yeah theres that Aug 13 02:40:07 I don't want to go to Android/winmo7 Aug 13 02:40:09 or BB Aug 13 02:40:18 cant go back to bb Aug 13 02:40:21 PatrickC: javascript too difficult, gonna give obj c a go? Aug 13 02:40:26 Winmo7 is looking like a good mix of everything Aug 13 02:40:32 after mangoi that is Aug 13 02:40:33 oil: once I get my mac :) Aug 13 02:40:36 oil: now, don't count our chickens before they hatch. Aug 13 02:40:41 lol Aug 13 02:40:49 comedies! Aug 13 02:40:55 I'm gonna take an actual class Aug 13 02:40:56 i chose pre2 cause it was the best deal / bang for the buck Aug 13 02:41:11 I will frankenpre2 eventualy Aug 13 02:41:14 i have a mango phone around here somewhere.... Aug 13 02:41:47 * akanster was eyeing ebay earlier for a Samsung Focus Aug 13 02:41:52 i have a mango phone around here somewhere…. Aug 13 02:41:55 i am really interested to see the ms/nokia phones when they start showing up Aug 13 02:42:07 should see the n9 with wp7 Aug 13 02:42:08 hopefully on vzw Aug 13 02:42:16 cdma? Aug 13 02:42:20 the n9 is a sexy looking phone Aug 13 02:42:27 I am glad they killed meego Aug 13 02:42:44 maemo had promise Aug 13 02:42:44 they will prob launch ATT first Aug 13 02:42:47 then vzw Aug 13 02:43:02 GSM will always usually launch first as its used in more locations Aug 13 02:43:14 though they could use a gobi type chip like the i5 is said to use Aug 13 02:43:18 vzw lte nokia wp7 sounds dreamy Aug 13 02:43:22 and hit both at the same time Aug 13 02:43:38 * oil is webos forever Aug 13 02:43:38 at least its not vapor ware like the pre3 Aug 13 02:43:40 I want a sprint 4g iP5 Aug 13 02:43:41 ;) Aug 13 02:44:00 oil: I wish I could be. but can't leave sprint for another 4 years Aug 13 02:44:00 PatrickC you want a Sprint 4G-LTE IP5 Aug 13 02:44:06 haha Aug 13 02:44:08 think nationwide Sat LTE Aug 13 02:44:12 CTLAdvance: ah yes.. Aug 13 02:44:21 sprint iphone? will they ever get an iphone? Aug 13 02:44:22 * oil doesnt have to leave sprint to continue using his pre- Aug 13 02:44:26 I hope lightsquared can launch globally Aug 13 02:44:31 global lte coverage Aug 13 02:44:47 kevets: they will likely get the iP5 Aug 13 02:44:54 lol Aug 13 02:44:56 they have no excuse why it won't be on sprint Aug 13 02:45:05 apple doesnt need excuses Aug 13 02:45:11 yes they do Aug 13 02:45:12 * halfhalo would rather have IPS Aug 13 02:45:15 * CTLAdvance points at oil and laughs Aug 13 02:45:24 * CTLAdvance puts fist up saying rock on brother Aug 13 02:46:25 PatrickC: there is no reason for apple to launch on sprint Aug 13 02:46:31 there is no benefit. Aug 13 02:46:48 what's next, US Cellular? Aug 13 02:46:54 lol Aug 13 02:46:59 yes! Aug 13 02:46:59 metropcs! Aug 13 02:47:12 tracphone! Aug 13 02:47:13 thats for the cheap version Aug 13 02:47:14 Hello hello hello! Aug 13 02:47:31 for wal mart Aug 13 02:47:48 * halfhalo has a 10 pound bag of popcorn kernels on his desk Aug 13 02:48:01 thisiswhyyouarefat.com Aug 13 02:48:11 halfhalo: just them on top of an overclocked pre and watch them go! Aug 13 02:48:16 * oil doubts he is eating the kernels Aug 13 02:48:17 s/them/put them/ Aug 13 02:48:29 if they want android uptake they need to launch on all carriers Aug 13 02:48:40 make the iphone 4 its cheap phone, ios 5 flagship Aug 13 02:48:41 boom Aug 13 02:48:55 maybe not as fast of growth but they will continue to march Aug 13 02:49:15 android is too fragmented for me Aug 13 02:49:18 there is a slight flaw in my bulk ordering plan though, i have no way to seal the bag after i open it Aug 13 02:49:32 halfhalo: office party! Aug 13 02:49:37 ziplock bags Aug 13 02:49:39 13sdk's and counting Aug 13 02:49:54 my point exactly Aug 13 02:50:02 its not that bad really Aug 13 02:50:03 * halfhalo also has zirephone on his desk Aug 13 02:50:19 focus on the middle of the road ~5sdks needed Aug 13 02:50:34 add tabs, then you have ~7sdks Aug 13 02:50:51 Zire I see Aug 13 02:50:53 yes Aug 13 02:51:12 s/zire/visor Aug 13 02:51:18 anyone got a veer? Aug 13 02:51:25 handspring visor Aug 13 02:51:26 ? Aug 13 02:51:29 * oil has one Aug 13 02:51:34 or pixi. that they wanna test a ipk of wildn on Aug 13 02:51:34 yup. to both veer and visor Aug 13 02:51:46 Visors were nice back in the day Aug 13 02:51:53 thats what led me to my treo 600 Aug 13 02:51:55 I like hats better Aug 13 02:52:00 Handspring Visor Prism Aug 13 02:52:16 My brain was cooked as soon as I started using it Aug 13 02:52:23 (the treo 600) Aug 13 02:53:04 CTLAdvance: I still have my Visor too! Aug 13 02:53:04 ATT needs a VOIP protocol on all of their phones Aug 13 02:53:11 VISORS FTW! Aug 13 02:53:12 gel blue! Aug 13 02:53:19 lemme fish it out and take a pic Aug 13 02:53:20 nice Aug 13 02:53:21 * PatrickC bbl Aug 13 02:53:59 If ATT added a VOIP for wifi calling, they could reduce strain on their network which they wont improve as the hoard as much spectrum as possible for dumb lte Aug 13 02:54:02 ARRRGGGHHH! Aug 13 02:54:58 easier said than done... Aug 13 02:56:00 yep Aug 13 02:56:08 but still doable Aug 13 02:56:16 TMO did it for a long while Aug 13 02:56:23 even if it uses my minutes Aug 13 02:57:11 do splash icons and background work in webos3.0? Aug 13 02:57:59 CTLAdvance: Booyah! http://imgur.com/UIJtX Aug 13 02:58:01 "splashBackground": "main/source/images/feedView_background.png", Aug 13 02:58:01 "splashIcon": "icon256.png" Aug 13 02:58:15 palm-run: JSON error: org.json.JSONException: JSONObject["ticket"] not found. Aug 13 02:58:18 woo! Aug 13 02:58:34 BOOMSHAKALAKA Aug 13 02:58:35 oh noes Aug 13 02:58:39 IS IT THE SHOES? Aug 13 02:58:46 NO ITS THE VISOR Aug 13 02:59:14 heh Aug 13 02:59:29 I just found a NIB factory sealed spring board 56k modem for the handspring visor series Aug 13 02:59:35 OH DANG Aug 13 02:59:41 my emu won't boot Aug 13 02:59:51 some "fatal" error Aug 13 02:59:51 CTLAdvance: the one that went into the expansion slot in the back?! Aug 13 02:59:53 its pretty cool.... Adding it to my vault of original windows copies Aug 13 02:59:56 yep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 13 02:59:57 2011