**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 14 02:59:57 2011
Aug 14 03:00:02 <haeffb> have you tackled switch/case yet?
Aug 14 03:00:10 <kirksutton> is this real life?
Aug 14 03:00:15 <twbbas`n> ^ haha
Aug 14 03:00:24 <oil> is this just fantasy?
Aug 14 03:00:32 <PuffTheMagic> real life ftl
Aug 14 03:00:35 <kirksutton> caught in a land slide
Aug 14 03:00:45 <oil> no escape from reality
Aug 14 03:00:47 <oil> lol
Aug 14 03:00:47 * rwatkins cant wait till PatrickC gets to closures.  head will explode.
Aug 14 03:01:04 * haeffb still doesn't "get" closures. :(
Aug 14 03:01:10 <PuffTheMagic> lambdas ftw
Aug 14 03:01:32 <oil> rwatkins: no, he is going to stop javascript and learn "a c language"
Aug 14 03:01:44 <PatrickC> haeffb: nope. No switch/case yet
Aug 14 03:01:50 <rwatkins> learn nothing but drag and drop gui ide's.
Aug 14 03:01:58 <twbbas`n> PatrickC: wear a hardhat when you learn loops
Aug 14 03:02:16 <PatrickC> rwatkins: those don't like offline use
Aug 14 03:02:20 <haeffb> 10 PRINT "HELLO"
Aug 14 03:02:22 <PatrickC> Unless there's one I don't know about
Aug 14 03:02:23 <haeffb> 20 GOTO 10
Aug 14 03:02:25 <PatrickC> Brb
Aug 14 03:02:28 <twbbas`n> haeffb: lol
Aug 14 03:02:45 <twbbas`n> the only time I used GOTOs was making a simple program for my TI
Aug 14 03:02:59 <haeffb> FORTRAN 4
Aug 14 03:03:05 <kirksutton> i used it in assembly
Aug 14 03:03:06 <oil> he's going to make a gui in vb to track his ip
Aug 14 03:03:29 <twbbas`n> my CS lab TA this semester told us that if we use GOTOs then we shouldn't be in this class
Aug 14 03:03:34 <twbbas`n> I lol'ed
Aug 14 03:03:36 <PuffTheMagic> oil, after he makes an app to track kense's failed transactions
Aug 14 03:03:38 <oil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
Aug 14 03:03:42 <kirksutton> it's true though
Aug 14 03:03:52 <rwatkins> ah, the GOTO.   1982-3.  IBM PC and some Commodore PETs.
Aug 14 03:03:53 <twbbas`n> why does everyone call kesne "kense"
Aug 14 03:04:08 <kirksutton> i would never
Aug 14 03:04:13 <haeffb> why does kense call himself kesne ?
Aug 14 03:04:13 <rwatkins> apps written in BASIC and loaded off cassette tapes.
Aug 14 03:04:26 <haeffb> rwatkins: TI 99/4A
Aug 14 03:04:28 <twbbas`n> PuffTheMagic: fxspec06 and I found that the failed transactions are actually reimbursed within a few days
Aug 14 03:04:33 <haeffb> and a casette player
Aug 14 03:05:04 <kirksutton> what's a commodore?
Aug 14 03:05:08 <twbbas`n> a toilet
Aug 14 03:05:15 <kirksutton> cool
Aug 14 03:05:18 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas`n, i have 0 catalog apps so its a non issue for me
Aug 14 03:05:21 <haeffb> guy who runs a ship
Aug 14 03:05:30 <kirksutton> not as cool
Aug 14 03:05:52 <haeffb> well, british guy, so it's sorta cool
Aug 14 03:06:46 * haeffb will now go stream some amazon video. laters.
Aug 14 03:07:05 <twbbas`n> oh crap. I need to get back to coding.
Aug 14 03:07:09 <rwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_PET picture of the first PC I programmed.  lovely keyboard there.
Aug 14 03:07:24 <PuffTheMagic> haeffb, you need to install sabnzb on your TP
Aug 14 03:07:34 <PuffTheMagic> and then just download nzb's right to your device
Aug 14 03:07:38 <Tibfib_> born in a landslide
Aug 14 03:07:43 <Tibfib_> oh dang
Aug 14 03:07:49 * Tibfib_ shoulda scrolled way down
Aug 14 03:07:53 <twbbas`n> HAHAHA
Aug 14 03:08:00 <twbbas`n> that's just hilarious
Aug 14 03:08:00 <haeffb> rwatkins: a PET 2001 - it was from the future. Which is now the past.
Aug 14 03:08:14 <oil> its got a comment // button?
Aug 14 03:08:14 <oil> awesome
Aug 14 03:08:17 <rwatkins> haeffb: ha, nice
Aug 14 03:08:47 <Tibfib_> twbbas`n: because he goes crazy when you mess it up
Aug 14 03:08:56 <kirksutton> Tibfib: thanks for calling me out like that
Aug 14 03:08:57 * haeffb always wanted to build a HeathKit computer
Aug 14 03:09:03 <rwatkins> oil: ya, didnt need the @ charater then.
Aug 14 03:09:09 <Tibfib_> kirksutton: oh?
Aug 14 03:09:09 <oil> yeah
Aug 14 03:09:26 <rwatkins> so kinda just tucked away in teh bottom corner
Aug 14 03:09:45 <Tibfib_> kirksutton: OH, who's right? me or you?
Aug 14 03:10:14 <kirksutton> oh dang. just checked
Aug 14 03:10:16 <kirksutton> i am right
Aug 14 03:10:39 <Tibfib_> poop
Aug 14 03:10:51 <Tibfib> late and wrong
Aug 14 03:10:56 <Tibfib> just not my day.
Aug 14 03:10:59 <twbbas`n> double negative so... positive?
Aug 14 03:11:09 <Tibfib> yes!
Aug 14 03:11:23 <twbbas`n> ok for reals, back to coding
Aug 14 03:11:25 <twbbas`n> closing irc
Aug 14 03:11:28 <Tibfib> twbbas`n: NOOOOOO
Aug 14 03:11:31 <Tibfib> YOU WILL NOT DENY US
Aug 14 03:12:10 * Tibfib denied
Aug 14 03:13:24 * haeffb googles sabnzb and still has no idea what PuffTheMagic is talking about
Aug 14 03:14:30 <Tibfib> well he is PuffTheMagic, not guaranteed to make sense.....
Aug 14 03:14:55 <PuffTheMagic> you don't know what a nzb is?
Aug 14 03:15:08 * haeffb doesn't know what an nzb is
Aug 14 03:15:30 <PuffTheMagic> do u know what usenet is?
Aug 14 03:16:38 * haeffb used usenet long time ago. Probably before nzb existed
Aug 14 03:21:51 <Tibfib> AH MAN
Aug 14 03:34:56 <Tibfib> haeffb: how are you liking nomnomnom?
Aug 14 03:35:20 <Tibfib> and halfhalo
Aug 14 03:35:26 <Tibfib> and oil
Aug 14 03:35:39 * halfhalo has yet to load it on a tp.
Aug 14 03:35:46 * Hendikins-TP remembers using Usenet for text based discussions!
Aug 14 03:35:53 * Tibfib kills ipk in halfhalo's inbox
Aug 14 03:35:57 <halfhalo> the sdk is taking its time to download
Aug 14 03:36:07 <PuffTheMagic> usenet >> torrents
Aug 14 03:36:12 <Tibfib> on your a+ isp?
Aug 14 03:36:17 <PatrickC> CRAP
Aug 14 03:36:22 <PatrickC> my pre2 got wet
Aug 14 03:36:25 <PatrickC> and now wont boot
Aug 14 03:36:28 <Tibfib> sounds like a personal problem.
Aug 14 03:36:36 <Tibfib> PatrickC: stick it in a jar of rice.
Aug 14 03:36:39 * oil needs to add some feeds to his google account to test it
Aug 14 03:36:47 <PatrickC> Tibfib: dont have any rice
Aug 14 03:36:49 <halfhalo> i have comcrap at this apartment.
Aug 14 03:36:49 <PatrickC> checked
Aug 14 03:36:56 <PuffTheMagic> wish i knew what google reader was
Aug 14 03:37:34 <Tibfib> umm, it is a rss feed aggregator
Aug 14 03:37:38 <Tibfib> service thing
Aug 14 03:37:55 <Tibfib> http://www.google.com/intl/en/googlereader/tour.html
Aug 14 03:38:05 <PuffTheMagic> oil_tp is using a irc client dripping of sex
Aug 14 03:38:08 <PatrickC> what happens if i try and turn it on after the water was in it and it shut off?
Aug 14 03:38:27 <halfhalo> PatrickC: you most likely killed it
Aug 14 03:38:34 <PatrickC> halfhalo: crap
Aug 14 03:38:37 <PatrickC> anyway to fix it?
Aug 14 03:38:53 <PatrickC> it turned itself off first
Aug 14 03:39:40 <halfhalo> leave it off and with the battery out in rice for a few days in a sealed container.  thats your best beet
Aug 14 03:39:44 <halfhalo> bet*
Aug 14 03:40:00 <PatrickC> well.. i have no rice atm..
Aug 14 03:40:03 <PatrickC> :/
Aug 14 03:40:09 <Tibfib> bears, beets, battlestar galactica
Aug 14 03:40:17 <PatrickC> it didnt get very wet
Aug 14 03:40:29 <PatrickC> the moisture sensor on the back isnt even colored
Aug 14 03:40:37 <PatrickC> it just got a little bit wet around the comms board
Aug 14 03:40:39 <oil_tp> Tibfib likes sideways thing eh?
Aug 14 03:41:10 <Tibfib> oil_tp: more natural than vertical scroller imo
Aug 14 03:41:39 <halfhalo> I'm willing to bet that you already killed it by attempting to turn it on after it got wet PatrickC
Aug 14 03:41:50 <PatrickC> atgh
Aug 14 03:41:53 <PatrickC> argh*
Aug 14 03:41:57 <Tibfib> nomnomnom will have a boring article vertical list in the next update
Aug 14 03:42:02 <Tibfib> as an option
Aug 14 03:42:11 <Tibfib> for "power" users
Aug 14 03:42:36 <PatrickC> halfhalo: is there any way to recover it?
Aug 14 03:42:41 <PatrickC> and what fries?
Aug 14 03:43:19 * oil_tp is power user
Aug 14 03:43:27 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, you shouldn't tried to boot it wet
Aug 14 03:43:37 <NuttyBunny> First rule: take off the battery
Aug 14 03:43:46 <halfhalo> the best bet to recover it is rice, which has been states TWICE so far.  that fact is not going to change just because you don't have any.
Aug 14 03:43:55 <halfhalo> there is such a thing as a grocery store, you know.
Aug 14 03:44:14 <Hendikins-TP> I'm rather surprised that my Pre2 shows up as (Telstra Australia) when I look at my WebOS profile online.
Aug 14 03:44:42 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: i didnt realize it was wet when it turned off
Aug 14 03:44:46 <PatrickC> figured the battery disloged
Aug 14 03:44:58 <PatrickC> i figure out it was wet when i tried to remove the battery
Aug 14 03:45:13 <NuttyBunny> I "almost" recovered my camera with rice. Too bad my gf tried to turn it on, wet, (with sea water)... it sorta worked, now the display is almost dead :(
Aug 14 03:45:29 <NuttyBunny> well, your option is... stick it into rice for a couple of days
Aug 14 03:45:34 <NuttyBunny> and hope for the best
Aug 14 03:46:38 <oil_tp> throw it away it's broken
Aug 14 03:46:41 <PatrickC> well.. rice isnt an option tonight..
Aug 14 03:46:43 <Tibfib> oil: *cough*, how many feeds do you have?
Aug 14 03:46:51 <PatrickC> oil_tp: no.. ill fix it eventually
Aug 14 03:46:52 <oil_tp> I just added 1
Aug 14 03:46:56 <Tibfib> PatrickC: apple sauce works too
Aug 14 03:47:00 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 14 03:47:04 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, Send it over here, it's dead    *grins*
Aug 14 03:47:06 <PuffTheMagic> oil_tp, try my latest commit, met know if you like it or not
Aug 14 03:47:08 <PatrickC> hmm. is it the comms board that breaks?
Aug 14 03:47:17 <PatrickC> if so, i have one i can replace it with
Aug 14 03:47:25 <Tibfib> I doubt it
Aug 14 03:47:28 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: u wish :)
Aug 14 03:47:30 <Tibfib> but maybe?
Aug 14 03:47:32 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Aug 14 03:47:57 * PatrickC is sad now.. :/
Aug 14 03:48:17 <Tibfib> PatrickC: that one gamer guy recommended baking it
Aug 14 03:48:22 <Tibfib> rahul sood
Aug 14 03:48:48 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib, PatrickC: the baked Pixi survived ;)
Aug 14 03:49:19 <NuttyBunny> I'm starving...
Aug 14 03:49:25 <PatrickC> the pixi is amazing! lol
Aug 14 03:49:29 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: me too
Aug 14 03:49:37 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: chipotle?
Aug 14 03:49:53 <PuffTheMagic> mmm chipotle
Aug 14 03:49:56 * Tibfib wonders if they have chiptole in mexico
Aug 14 03:49:57 <oil> PuffTheMagic: dont like
Aug 14 03:50:06 <PuffTheMagic> booo
Aug 14 03:50:09 <halfhalo>  chipotle!
Aug 14 03:50:20 <oil> especially because the row doesn't keep the alt
Aug 14 03:50:32 <PuffTheMagic> oil, u never like so no surprise
Aug 14 03:50:34 <oil> if it didnt change every line it might be more bearable
Aug 14 03:50:36 <PatrickC> ugh.. i really want to see if it turns on right now
Aug 14 03:50:37 <PatrickC> but dont want to break it
Aug 14 03:51:00 <Tibfib> I feel like we should ban oil from giving feedback
Aug 14 03:51:05 <PuffTheMagic> oil, what do you mean doesnt keep the alt
Aug 14 03:51:07 <Tibfib> we'd all be happier devs
Aug 14 03:51:09 <oil> ok, ask for my feedback
Aug 14 03:51:15 <oil> then get pissed when i give it
Aug 14 03:51:16 <oil> lol
Aug 14 03:51:22 <PuffTheMagic> im not pissed
Aug 14 03:51:24 <oil> please, dont ask me for feedback anymore
Aug 14 03:51:27 <PuffTheMagic> but i do see what you mean
Aug 14 03:51:33 <Tibfib> oil: I kid, I kid
Aug 14 03:51:51 <Tibfib> you never even gave mee feedback for nomnomnom
Aug 14 03:53:05 <PuffTheMagic> oil, i didnt even notice it changing till just not, that must be cause of unshift
Aug 14 03:53:09 <halfhalo> omgomgomg el torito!
Aug 14 03:53:11 <PuffTheMagic> now
Aug 14 03:55:57 <PatrickC> ive g2g
Aug 14 03:56:05 <PatrickC> ill be on later.. maybe.. :/
Aug 14 03:56:24 <Tibfib> I'm so mean to PatrickC, I should try harder not to. :/
Aug 14 03:59:29 <Tibfib> and I'm off
Aug 14 04:00:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good evening webOS people
Aug 14 04:01:11 <Tibfib_> 'night IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 14 04:01:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 14 04:01:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I think it's just about ready, Tibfib_
Aug 14 04:01:44 <Tibfib_> wait does it need?
Aug 14 04:01:48 <Tibfib_> s/wait/what/
Aug 14 04:01:49 <Tibfib_> ughhhh
Aug 14 04:01:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> just needs a notif icon
Aug 14 04:01:54 <Tibfib_> it has it!
Aug 14 04:02:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah what version did that come with?
Aug 14 04:02:09 <Tibfib_> I thought I sent you the last version
Aug 14 04:02:15 <Tibfib_> .15 perhaps?
Aug 14 04:02:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I may not have installed it on accide
Aug 14 04:02:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nt
Aug 14 04:02:22 <Tibfib_> or .16 maybe?
Aug 14 04:02:26 <Tibfib_> I dunno
Aug 14 04:02:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> RC1 or 2?
Aug 14 04:03:14 <Tibfib_> both?
Aug 14 04:03:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 14 04:03:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> one sec
Aug 14 04:03:42 <Hendikins-TP> And on my first day of touchpad use I've come to the conclusion that I multitask too much to be happy with Android or an iFad. Too used to being able to just do it.
Aug 14 04:03:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> iFad... bahhahahaha
Aug 14 04:04:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> winner
Aug 14 04:05:31 <PatrickC> I guess we'll see in the morning..
Aug 14 04:05:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ?
Aug 14 04:06:19 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: got my pre2 a little wet and it won't turn on
Aug 14 04:06:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> scary
Aug 14 04:06:33 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 14 04:06:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> by "a little wet" do you mean, "it fell in water"? lol
Aug 14 04:06:50 <PatrickC> no
Aug 14 04:07:00 <Tibfib_> *cough* wIRCing from the bathroommm
Aug 14 04:07:13 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 14 04:07:27 <PatrickC> was doing dishes, and water splashed out of the sink. it got in thru the speaker holes
Aug 14 04:08:02 <PuffTheMagic> ;-)
Aug 14 04:09:21 <PatrickC> that phone has tons of irreplaceable data on it too.. :/
Aug 14 04:09:34 <Tibfib_> that's not a smart idea
Aug 14 04:09:39 <Tibfib_> and now, I'm OFF
Aug 14 04:09:43 <oil> lies
Aug 14 04:09:54 <akanster> PatrickC: try the rice trick
Aug 14 04:10:08 <oil> its been suggested a bunch of times
Aug 14 04:10:15 <PatrickC> akanster: no rice atm
Aug 14 04:10:16 <oil> but he has no rice
Aug 14 04:10:21 <Hendikins-TP> Tibfib_: I prefer Twitter on the shitter.
Aug 14 04:10:26 <akanster> whoops
Aug 14 04:10:40 <oil> just because it rhymes?
Aug 14 04:11:09 <akanster> remind me never to touch you guys' phones at meetups
Aug 14 04:11:22 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 14 04:11:23 <CTLAdvance> Do we still use the old webos060609 to activate dev mode on touchpad
Aug 14 04:11:27 <oil> "HEY CHECK THIS OUT!"
Aug 14 04:11:31 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: yes
Aug 14 04:11:35 <oil> CTLAdvance: konami code!
Aug 14 04:11:38 <PatrickC> unless in 3.0.2 it changed
Aug 14 04:11:40 <CTLAdvance> BAH
Aug 14 04:11:46 <PuffTheMagic> who "wircs while they jerk"?
Aug 14 04:11:49 <PatrickC> konami code is too long
Aug 14 04:11:52 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 14 04:11:58 <oil> you mean too awesome!
Aug 14 04:12:03 <akanster> hahah PuffTheMagic
Aug 14 04:12:14 <CTLAdvance> wirc while you jerk... *whistles*
Aug 14 04:12:19 <PatrickC> oil: too long
Aug 14 04:12:26 <oil> you mean too awesome!
Aug 14 04:12:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have a TouchStone in the bathroom
Aug 14 04:12:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I win
Aug 14 04:12:50 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: hahahaha
Aug 14 04:12:59 * oil doesnt find himself running our of battery in the bathroom
Aug 14 04:13:01 <oil> ever
Aug 14 04:13:09 * PatrickC has
Aug 14 04:13:18 <akanster> how long are you in there?
Aug 14 04:13:22 <oil> shit or get off the pot
Aug 14 04:13:29 <PatrickC> but I'm usually almost out of battery before I go
Aug 14 04:13:33 <PuffTheMagic> oil, i dont think he is shitting when it runs out
Aug 14 04:13:34 <PatrickC> so I bring a charger
Aug 14 04:13:41 <PuffTheMagic> probably watching pornhub.com
Aug 14 04:13:45 <akanster> well, actually a relaxing poop takes some time
Aug 14 04:13:45 <PatrickC> akanster: sometimes 15-20 min :)
Aug 14 04:13:49 <oil> lol
Aug 14 04:14:01 <CTLAdvance> DAMN HP SDK INSTALLER! WHY DONT YOU ADD AN ENV VARIABLE TO THE SDK?PDK BIN DIRECTORIES
Aug 14 04:14:03 <PuffTheMagic> akanster, i like multiple smaller shits
Aug 14 04:14:05 <PatrickC> its peaceful  in there :)
Aug 14 04:14:06 <CTLAdvance> AGH!
Aug 14 04:14:11 <CTLAdvance> *RANT*
Aug 14 04:14:21 <akanster> PuffTheMagic: Inefficient!
Aug 14 04:14:39 <oil> akanster only poops once a week
Aug 14 04:14:41 <CTLAdvance> The throne is where you can get some of the best thinking done...
Aug 14 04:14:49 <CTLAdvance> though I do need to install a dry erase board
Aug 14 04:14:53 <PuffTheMagic> akanster, gets me away from my desk at work
Aug 14 04:14:58 * twbbas came in at the wrong time
Aug 14 04:15:01 <oil> next to the touchstone?
Aug 14 04:15:01 <akanster> oil: Heh, Activia yogurt fixed that
Aug 14 04:15:06 <PatrickC> twbbas: you don't want to be in here right now
Aug 14 04:15:08 <Hendikins-TP> CTLAdvance: I demo it using the Konami code. A lot of people get the reference.
Aug 14 04:15:24 <oil> i dont always take long craps
Aug 14 04:15:27 <oil> but when i do, im on the clock
Aug 14 04:15:32 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I just wanted to make sure before I felt like an idiot and checked
Aug 14 04:15:37 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas_, you must tell us how long your BMs are to stay in here
Aug 14 04:15:48 <CTLAdvance> used to use the konami code until someone told me about the shortcut
Aug 14 04:15:51 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 14 04:16:09 <PatrickC> does ##DEVMODE# work on the tp?
Aug 14 04:16:11 <oil> how many of you are in the bathroom RIGHT NOW?
Aug 14 04:16:20 <akanster> Konami Code.  The only way to beat Contra. :)
Aug 14 04:16:22 * PatrickC is about to be
Aug 14 04:17:15 <PuffTheMagic> i love talking about pooping
Aug 14 04:17:20 <PuffTheMagic> its almost as fun as pooping
Aug 14 04:17:26 <oil> almost
Aug 14 04:17:27 <oil> lol
Aug 14 04:17:32 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 14 04:17:48 <akanster> haha, wasnt there a similar discussion in here a few months back?
Aug 14 04:17:53 <oil> so the tp with bt on doesn't charge when its on usb
Aug 14 04:17:53 <CTLAdvance> I dont know why they dont just add this to the settings menu
Aug 14 04:17:55 <oil> it slowly dies
Aug 14 04:17:56 <CTLAdvance> and call it a day
Aug 14 04:17:56 <akanster> oilspushin
Aug 14 04:17:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> once the TouchPad TS comes down in price, imma get another for the bathroom
Aug 14 04:18:01 <CTLAdvance> this is pointless
Aug 14 04:18:18 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: what is?
Aug 14 04:18:23 <oil> konami code
Aug 14 04:18:24 * PatrickC loves tab-complete :)
Aug 14 04:18:36 <CTLAdvance> entering a code to get to dev mode
Aug 14 04:18:45 <oil> CTLAdvance: i think the point is to make sure its not done on accident
Aug 14 04:18:45 <PuffTheMagic> wirc-enyo needs tab complete bad
Aug 14 04:18:50 <oil> if you do this, you know what you're doing
Aug 14 04:19:00 <PatrickC> all my friends are like "What?!" when I show them how easy it is to "root" the pre
Aug 14 04:19:19 <PatrickC> I say root because they all know what root is
Aug 14 04:19:29 <PatrickC> they don't know what 'dev mode'
Aug 14 04:19:30 <PatrickC> is
Aug 14 04:19:38 * oil doesnt say root or jailbreaking
Aug 14 04:19:49 <PatrickC> what do you say then
Aug 14 04:19:55 <CTLAdvance> WOOT it doesnt require a password
Aug 14 04:19:56 <PuffTheMagic> shell
Aug 14 04:19:56 <oil> developer mode
Aug 14 04:19:57 <PuffTheMagic> linux
Aug 14 04:20:15 * halfhalo calls it liberating the software
Aug 14 04:20:19 <CTLAdvance> er... restart
Aug 14 04:20:20 <CTLAdvance> :)
Aug 14 04:20:24 <akanster> halfhalo is a hippie
Aug 14 04:20:36 <PatrickC> I always compare "opening" webos to rooting an iPhone lol
Aug 14 04:20:45 <halfhalo> lets go with that....
Aug 14 04:20:53 <halfhalo> lets go with that….
Aug 14 04:21:06 <CTLAdvance> I love how I could download a pdf and have my iphone jaiolbroken
Aug 14 04:21:11 <CTLAdvance> that was EPIC
Aug 14 04:21:25 <PatrickC> I love how I download an ipk
Aug 14 04:21:28 <PatrickC> and open my pre
Aug 14 04:21:39 <halfhalo> i can't believe its not butter!
Aug 14 04:21:42 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: iP4?
Aug 14 04:21:45 <CTLAdvance> yes
Aug 14 04:21:54 <akanster> It feels like the real thing!
Aug 14 04:21:57 <PatrickC> ah. jailbreakme wouldn't work then
Aug 14 04:21:59 <CTLAdvance> Soon to be 5 is it launches
Aug 14 04:22:09 <PatrickC> same here.. sadly
Aug 14 04:22:10 <PuffTheMagic> oil, [master 05e64a3] fix alternating alternating rows <-- let me know if thats better
Aug 14 04:22:10 <CTLAdvance> with a bigger screen
Aug 14 04:22:34 <oil> im about to leave for a while, but ill check it out when im back
Aug 14 04:22:50 <PatrickC> if the pre3 doesn't go to sprint(and it probably won't) I'll go with the iP5 if it goes to sprint
Aug 14 04:22:58 <PatrickC> Evo/Evo3D if it doesnt
Aug 14 04:23:01 <oil> lol
Aug 14 04:23:21 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, just leave now
Aug 14 04:23:29 <oil> thats like "if this snowball doesnt melt in hell I'll try this one out"
Aug 14 04:23:45 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: can't, stuck in a contract
Aug 14 04:23:56 <PuffTheMagic> i mean this chan
Aug 14 04:23:59 <PuffTheMagic> u traitor
Aug 14 04:24:17 <PatrickC> I'll frankenpre2 and keep it as long as I can
Aug 14 04:24:29 <PatrickC> but I can only use outdated hw for so long
Aug 14 04:24:42 <oil> well, assuming the pre2 isn't destroyed after being dropped in the toilet
Aug 14 04:24:49 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 14 04:24:56 <PatrickC> oil: I have another
Aug 14 04:24:59 * halfhalo busts out winphone
Aug 14 04:25:10 <PatrickC> and hey! CTLAdvance is a traitor
Aug 14 04:25:12 * CTLAdvance busts out symbian
Aug 14 04:25:15 <PatrickC> and so is halfhalo :)
Aug 14 04:25:15 <CTLAdvance> Hey
Aug 14 04:25:18 <CTLAdvance> it is what it is
Aug 14 04:25:30 <oil> he is not a traitor if he goes to a platform more dead then webos
Aug 14 04:25:34 <oil> lol
Aug 14 04:25:37 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 14 04:25:38 <halfhalo> HAH
Aug 14 04:25:40 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 14 04:25:48 <CTLAdvance> sadly I wouldnt touch symbian with a 10 foot pole
Aug 14 04:25:54 <CTLAdvance> :/
Aug 14 04:26:03 <oil> not even to smash it to bits with said pole?
Aug 14 04:26:05 * Hendikins-TP used to use WinMobile on a Treo Pro
Aug 14 04:26:14 <CTLAdvance> same
Aug 14 04:26:37 <CTLAdvance> I bought my treo pro in april 2009, I bought my pre- at full retail in june 2009
Aug 14 04:26:53 * halfhalo has a samsung focus he picked up to use as a zune hd replacement.  that never happened
Aug 14 04:27:54 <halfhalo> the zune has way better sound output.  but the focus has that purty screen.  so I carry both
Aug 14 04:27:57 <PuffTheMagic> webos on this would be awesome http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/kgreenber/first+cell+phone.jpg
Aug 14 04:28:53 <PatrickC> I want that phone!
Aug 14 04:28:58 <PatrickC> what carriers is it on?
Aug 14 04:29:46 * halfhalo has this on his desk http://0.tqn.com/d/cellphones/1/0/C/9/handspring_visorphone.jpg
Aug 14 04:30:19 <PatrickC> thats..  a phone?
Aug 14 04:30:49 <CTLAdvance> well its a visor handheld with a phone springboard module
Aug 14 04:31:03 <dkirker> halfhalo: nice!
Aug 14 04:31:08 <PuffTheMagic> i had a visor
Aug 14 04:31:14 <PuffTheMagic> worst move ever
Aug 14 04:31:24 <PuffTheMagic> i thought it would be ncie to have usb over serial
Aug 14 04:31:32 <PuffTheMagic> but then i coudlnt console into my routers and switches
Aug 14 04:31:36 <dkirker> I have a lot of phones on my desk. All of my desks
Aug 14 04:31:46 <PatrickC> I'm off to bed.. night all
Aug 14 04:31:56 <dkirker> 'night PatrickC
Aug 14 04:32:07 <CTLAdvance> gnite, dont let the slider bite
Aug 14 04:32:31 <PatrickC> I'll try not to
Aug 14 04:33:12 <PatrickC> hopefully the dry-out-a-phone farry will come tonight
Aug 14 04:34:44 <twbbas> Adora only comes on weekdays
Aug 14 04:35:25 <PatrickC> aww
Aug 14 04:35:47 * twbbas made a pro popup
Aug 14 04:35:52 <PatrickC> well, night for real
Aug 14 04:36:04 <twbbas> bye
Aug 14 04:37:42 <PatrickC> oil: wirc bug. I'm on wifi, and the "Ev" icon is in the top for signal strength
Aug 14 04:38:13 * twbbas lol'ed
Aug 14 04:38:20 * twbbas can't tell if PatrickC is serious or not
Aug 14 04:38:27 <PuffTheMagic> doesnt matter his bugs dont count
Aug 14 04:38:43 <PatrickC> twbbas: when I'm on the pre2, it has the wifi icon
Aug 14 04:38:53 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: this phone is just about stock
Aug 14 04:39:03 <PatrickC> the bugs from the pre2 don't count
Aug 14 04:41:03 <CTLAdvance> oh you dropped it in the pot
Aug 14 04:41:04 <CTLAdvance> ?
Aug 14 04:41:49 <CTLAdvance> Anyone here familiar with cygwin
Aug 14 04:50:13 <akanster> http://www.reddit.com/r/webos/comments/jhe5m/ordered_a_touchpad_reassure_me_reddit/  - reassure this guy
Aug 14 04:56:36 <dwc-> I dunno man, he's screwed
Aug 14 04:56:50 <akanster> lol
Aug 14 05:00:11 <twbbas> anyone else think it's annoying how sliding panes don't render until the pane is slid all the way?
Aug 14 05:03:04 <CTLAdvance> I think sliding panes are really wonky
Aug 14 05:03:19 <CTLAdvance> On the stock touchpad they are really painful
Aug 14 05:03:28 <CTLAdvance> I am not sure if it is overclocked
Aug 14 05:06:16 * PuffTheMagic weeeeeeee
Aug 14 05:07:55 <twbbas> Angry Birds? or just like saying weeeee?
Aug 14 05:08:18 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vOXczZA/wirc-enyo_2011-14-08_010458.png
Aug 14 05:08:30 <PuffTheMagic> i added a xchat like horizontal divider
Aug 14 05:08:38 <twbbas> cool
Aug 14 05:08:40 <PuffTheMagic> i just dont know how to make it extend all the way to the top
Aug 14 05:09:37 <twbbas> I prefer timestamps to be on the far left instead of names
Aug 14 05:09:43 <twbbas> Could that be an option or no?
Aug 14 05:09:55 <PuffTheMagic> ya timestamps can go there
Aug 14 05:10:00 <twbbas> sweet
Aug 14 05:10:00 <PuffTheMagic> havent gotten there yet
Aug 14 05:10:04 <twbbas> yeah
Aug 14 05:10:17 <twbbas> haha
Aug 14 05:10:25 <twbbas> I see you didn't want people seeing a certain channel
Aug 14 05:10:30 <twbbas> like last time
Aug 14 05:10:44 <PuffTheMagic> idk what you are talking about
Aug 14 05:10:51 <twbbas> lol sure
Aug 14 05:11:12 <twbbas> is that "cancel" and "part channel" a swipe to delete or from the dropdown?
Aug 14 05:11:38 <PuffTheMagic> its swipe actions
Aug 14 05:11:45 <PuffTheMagic> i think i want to get rid of the dropdown
Aug 14 05:11:50 <PuffTheMagic> and have a new message counter there
Aug 14 05:11:55 <twbbas> That'd be neat
Aug 14 05:12:02 <PuffTheMagic> like the email folders
Aug 14 05:12:13 <PuffTheMagic> make a menu show if you tap and hold
Aug 14 05:12:16 <PuffTheMagic> dont need an icon for it
Aug 14 05:12:18 * twbbas looks at email app and nods
Aug 14 05:15:14 <twbbas> How do I center this text? {kind: "VFlexBox", components: [ {content: "Congratulations!", align: "center"},
Aug 14 05:15:26 <twbbas> align doesn't work
Aug 14 05:15:45 <PuffTheMagic> move align out a level
Aug 14 05:16:11 <PuffTheMagic> {kind: "VFlexBox",  align: "center", components: [ {content: "Congratulations!"},
Aug 14 05:16:14 <PuffTheMagic> but it might be pack
Aug 14 05:16:20 <PuffTheMagic> i can never keep them straight
Aug 14 05:16:21 <twbbas> align worked, thanks
Aug 14 05:16:23 <twbbas> same here
Aug 14 05:16:45 <PuffTheMagic> im thinking about make a new app/game
Aug 14 05:16:54 <PuffTheMagic> its gonna be called PatC
Aug 14 05:17:03 <PuffTheMagic> you gotta fish a pre2 out a of toilet
Aug 14 05:17:09 <PuffTheMagic> havent figured out the controls yet though
Aug 14 05:17:16 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 14 05:18:19 <twbbas> have an attachable accessory like a fishing reel
Aug 14 05:19:12 <PuffTheMagic> just flick the tablet like you are casting
Aug 14 05:20:02 <CTLAdvance> that wirc looks nice
Aug 14 05:20:26 <CTLAdvance> must use accelerometer once you snag the phone
Aug 14 05:20:33 <CTLAdvance> or turd
Aug 14 05:20:36 <CTLAdvance> :)
Aug 14 05:20:46 <twbbas> :o
Aug 14 05:21:01 <PuffTheMagic> sudden death, the bowl flushes and water starts to spin and drani
Aug 14 05:21:02 <PuffTheMagic> drain
Aug 14 05:21:10 * twbbas can proudly say I've never dropped anything in the toilet
Aug 14 05:21:13 <CTLAdvance> of you snag scat or any tp, you muck up the water... game over
Aug 14 05:21:24 <CTLAdvance> yep
Aug 14 05:21:26 <CTLAdvance> flush
Aug 14 05:21:29 <twbbas> s/I've/he has
Aug 14 05:22:03 <CTLAdvance> I have dropped car keys in the toilet before, and reached in to try and get them, laser flush toilet ate them, I never had a chance
Aug 14 05:22:20 <CTLAdvance> or thermal sensor
Aug 14 05:22:23 <twbbas> darn lasers
Aug 14 05:22:27 <twbbas> those things never flush on time
Aug 14 05:22:56 <CTLAdvance> Luckily I keep keys in my wallet incase of some doomsday scenario like that
Aug 14 05:23:16 <CTLAdvance> :/
Aug 14 05:23:18 <PuffTheMagic> wirc-enyo is 98% incomplete and i like using it so much more than the enyo version
Aug 14 05:23:20 <CTLAdvance> but never a phone
Aug 14 05:23:36 <twbbas> more than the mojo?
Aug 14 05:23:46 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Aug 14 05:23:46 <PuffTheMagic> that
Aug 14 05:23:56 <CTLAdvance> anyone know how to get cygwin to recognize 64bit java
Aug 14 05:23:57 <twbbas> I think I'd be the same way. It looks very nice.
Aug 14 05:24:17 <dwc-> "recognize" ?
Aug 14 05:25:03 <CTLAdvance> I keep getting errors when using palm tools through cygwin, where they work fine through command line
Aug 14 05:25:12 <CTLAdvance> I just validated my java install
Aug 14 05:27:18 <dwc-> as long as it's in the path, it should be fine
Aug 14 05:28:14 <CTLAdvance> in my cygwin profile path
Aug 14 05:28:19 <CTLAdvance> that could be it
Aug 14 05:30:49 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Aug 14 05:31:49 <CTLAdvance> nope its in my env path for cygwin
Aug 14 05:31:55 <CTLAdvance> and win7
Aug 14 05:37:02 <dwc-> so which part doesn't work?
Aug 14 05:38:33 <dwc-> wait... when you run the "palm tools" are you running the windows version (.bat) or the unix-y ones (.sh)
Aug 14 05:39:02 * dwc- hasn't run it in cygwin
Aug 14 05:39:37 <CTLAdvance> in cygwin it should be bat
Aug 14 05:39:42 <CTLAdvance> not the unix ones
Aug 14 05:40:54 <dwc-> I don't think so
Aug 14 05:45:54 <CTLAdvance> this is interesting
Aug 14 05:46:05 <CTLAdvance> I have 64 bit java installed, I have paths setup
Aug 14 05:46:15 <CTLAdvance> yet cygwin doesnt work
Aug 14 05:50:19 <CTLAdvance> Maybe my cygwin is old
Aug 14 05:50:23 <CTLAdvance> let me try updating this
Aug 14 05:53:39 <Hendikins> Well, I've come to the conclusion that the only thing missing from the TouchPad that is truly irritating me is an NX client. Have to see if QtNX can be beaten in to submission.
Aug 14 05:58:26 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic, ping?
Aug 14 05:58:39 <PuffTheMagic> pong
Aug 14 05:59:19 <NuttyBunny> do you know if TIDE works with the arrow keys on a bluetooth keyboard? I'm looking if I buy a 49 key or a 79 key one :)
Aug 14 06:01:10 <Hendikins> I'm surprised TIDE isn't called Editah. :P
Aug 14 06:02:55 <PuffTheMagic> ya it does
Aug 14 06:03:13 <PuffTheMagic> Hendikins, editah was its orig name
Aug 14 06:04:06 <NuttyBunny> Thanks!!  I  think I'll go for the small one that has dedicated arrow keys :)
Aug 14 06:05:37 <PuffTheMagic> dont they all have arrow keys?
Aug 14 06:06:47 <dwc-> who needs arrow keys when you have hjkl
Aug 14 06:07:17 * PuffTheMagic wonders how hjkl replaces arrow keys
Aug 14 06:08:38 <twbbas> lollll
Aug 14 06:17:43 <NuttyBunny> hjkl is used in vi :P
Aug 14 06:18:00 <PuffTheMagic> well vi mode is not enable in Tide
Aug 14 06:18:07 <PuffTheMagic> because there is no escape key
Aug 14 06:18:12 <PuffTheMagic> and the : is burried
Aug 14 06:18:23 <PuffTheMagic> else i would have vim mode enable in a heartbeat
Aug 14 06:18:43 <NuttyBunny> That's the reason I will buy the 80 key keyboard, dedicated arrow keys :)
Aug 14 06:18:45 <oil_pre> add escape key
Aug 14 06:19:13 <PuffTheMagic> oil_pre, there is an escape key, its just hijacked by luna
Aug 14 06:19:48 <NuttyBunny> everywhere? even in Ubuntu?
Aug 14 06:19:58 <NuttyBunny> (sorry, I haven't read about it)
Aug 14 06:19:59 <halfhalo> everywhere.
Aug 14 06:20:21 <oil_pre> oh, I was talking about just putting a button at the bottom that says esc
Aug 14 06:20:38 <PuffTheMagic> oil_pre, on the vkb?
Aug 14 06:20:53 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: I read something about the TP "not having Esc", but I didn't know it was that way :(
Aug 14 06:21:11 <PuffTheMagic> ya the escape key is what shows notifications
Aug 14 06:21:15 <oil_pre> above vkb in-app
Aug 14 06:21:16 <halfhalo> LunaSysMgr goes omnomnom
Aug 14 06:21:17 <PuffTheMagic> cause i guess that needs is own damn key
Aug 14 06:22:31 <NuttyBunny> mm... not funny Palm ..
Aug 14 06:22:56 * halfhalo wants his esc :(
Aug 14 06:23:34 <halfhalo> WHY DO YOU KEEP PLAYING FUNKYTOWN ZUNE?!?!?
Aug 14 06:23:34 <NuttyBunny> I assume you guys have already tried combinations: shift+esc, alt+esc, and they all bring the notifications, right?
Aug 14 06:23:46 <NuttyBunny> it learns what you like ;)
Aug 14 06:24:00 <PuffTheMagic> no why would we do that
Aug 14 06:24:10 <PuffTheMagic> its not vim bindings if we have to make up our own
Aug 14 06:24:11 <halfhalo> its on _random_….. this is the third time its played in the last hour
Aug 14 06:25:20 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: ok, ok, don't get mad at me, it's Palm the culprit, I was just asking :)
Aug 14 06:25:37 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: well, it's Microsoft evil, what did you expect?
Aug 14 06:26:07 <halfhalo> not funkytown?
Aug 14 06:26:29 * halfhalo will hurt someone who trys to take his zune from him
Aug 14 06:26:44 * PuffTheMagic goes and watches "The Change-Up" downloaded via usenet @4mb/s over SSL
Aug 14 06:27:12 * NuttyBunny still cries over his 1mb download link :(
Aug 14 06:27:22 * halfhalo uses torrents for pretty much one thing: top gear
Aug 14 06:29:33 * NuttyBunny may soon get one of the new 20mbit fiber optic services here in Mexico, and then I'll get everything from usenet as well :D
Aug 14 06:30:04 * halfhalo has 25/2 at home, but some crap thing at this apt
Aug 14 06:30:27 <halfhalo> anywho, time to go read a new book
Aug 14 06:31:19 <Hendikins> I have thought of a wishlist item for touchpad... would be nice if I could tell it to only turn the display off automatically if on battery, or have a separate length of time before doing it when on AC.
Aug 14 06:32:47 <oil_pre> PuffTheMagic: I opened and zoomed in on that screenshot on my pre
Aug 14 06:32:57 <oil_pre> http://ompldr.org/vOXczeQ
Aug 14 06:33:20 <oil_pre> I bet it will work good on phone sized screen
Aug 14 06:34:03 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 14 06:34:10 <PuffTheMagic> enyo scaling ftw
Aug 14 06:34:39 <PuffTheMagic> oil_pre, like the new seperator?
Aug 14 06:35:13 <oil_pre> should keep the setting to go back and forth like mojo version
Aug 14 06:35:29 <oil_pre> but yeah, the fixed width lookd good on the tp
Aug 14 06:35:43 <oil_pre> I wasrunning mojo wirc on tp with that setting
Aug 14 06:37:23 <oil_pre> (used ompload to upload that screenshot, too :)
Aug 14 06:40:09 <PuffTheMagic> i need to enyofy that
Aug 14 06:40:17 <PuffTheMagic> and make it less suck
Aug 14 06:40:19 <PuffTheMagic> or leave it suck
Aug 14 06:40:24 <PuffTheMagic> and work towards my brown belt
Aug 14 06:40:27 <PuffTheMagic> for shit
Aug 14 06:42:04 <oil_pre> you should be able to get to brown belt without writing a single if statement...
Aug 14 06:44:14 <oil_pre> but yeah, it worked good
Aug 14 06:44:38 <oil_pre> longest part was picking a file
Aug 14 06:49:55 <Hendikins> Hrm, I just saw a poster advertising the TouchPad at Sydenham station.
Aug 14 06:50:19 <Hendikins> So I have to give them some credit for making an effort at advertising the thing in AU.
Aug 14 06:51:49 <dwc-> top gear!
Aug 14 06:52:01 <dwc-> oh wait, gotta wait for the next series
Aug 14 06:54:35 <PuffTheMagic> new season in a week
Aug 14 06:56:19 <dwc-> ? should be a couple months
Aug 14 06:59:45 <PuffTheMagic> Aug 22
Aug 14 06:59:56 <PuffTheMagic> or 21
Aug 14 07:00:41 * rtyler|TP yawns
Aug 14 07:01:32 <dwc-> that's awfully early
Aug 14 07:01:49 <dwc-> it's usually end of nov to dec or so
Aug 14 07:14:19 <PuffTheMagic> this movie is hilwrious
Aug 14 07:18:08 <rtyler|TP> which movie is that?
Aug 14 07:21:24 <rtyler|TP> hmmm, will bookmarklet work from the built-in browser? I really could use the "clip to evermore" bookmarklet here
Aug 14 07:29:15 <PuffTheMagic> the changeu
Aug 14 07:29:16 <PuffTheMagic> p
Aug 14 08:15:44 <molavy> i want create simple editor using xul and python
Aug 14 08:15:53 <molavy> but i cant run def at oncommand
Aug 14 08:16:10 <molavy> oncommand="testpy()"
Aug 14 08:16:17 <molavy> any idea?
Aug 14 08:22:31 <PuffTheMagic> wri
Aug 14 08:22:39 <PuffTheMagic> wrong chan
Aug 14 12:00:24 <siestacat> zcorder supposed to work on pixi?
Aug 14 12:32:49 <siestacat> Uh oh
Aug 14 12:32:51 <siestacat> Big problem
Aug 14 12:33:11 <siestacat> I just reset my pixi, and I have no data nor calling time left on this month's thing due to an issue earlier in the month
Aug 14 12:33:19 <siestacat> so I can't activate my palm profile
Aug 14 12:50:11 <PatrickC> its booting! or so it seems
Aug 14 12:51:50 <PatrickC> AND! its up!
Aug 14 12:56:19 <CTLAdvance> anyone around familiar with cygwin
Aug 14 13:00:33 <siestacat> CTLAdvance : partially
Aug 14 13:00:57 <CTLAdvance> Are you familiar with how to get it to recognise that you have 64 bit java installed
Aug 14 13:01:00 <siestacat> Is there a way I can bypass this palm profile login without bypassing activation?
Aug 14 13:01:07 <siestacat> CTLAdvance
Aug 14 13:01:11 <siestacat> Check your system path
Aug 14 13:01:12 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Aug 14 13:01:23 <siestacat> Make sure the proper version of Java is linked up in there.
Aug 14 13:01:24 <CTLAdvance> its in my system path on windows :)
Aug 14 13:01:32 <siestacat> hmmm...
Aug 14 13:01:32 <CTLAdvance> and windows knows its there
Aug 14 13:01:35 <siestacat> I had a similar problem.
Aug 14 13:01:46 <CTLAdvance> I wonder if I need to update my cygwin path
Aug 14 13:01:55 <CTLAdvance> in the profile
Aug 14 13:02:05 <siestacat> There's a command for that
Aug 14 13:02:09 <siestacat> I ran it once and it worked
Aug 14 13:02:14 <CTLAdvance> oh really
Aug 14 13:02:45 <siestacat> PATH or set PATH or something
Aug 14 13:03:26 <siestacat> set PATH=*path*
Aug 14 13:04:08 <siestacat> or just set it in the shell you're opening.
Aug 14 13:17:52 <Hendikins> Ah, that's better. Got one of my own photos as my TouchPad background.
Aug 14 15:55:30 <JenP> Hi all!
Aug 14 16:00:20 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> hey
Aug 14 16:03:36 <JenP> hiya!
Aug 14 16:03:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Good day.
Aug 14 16:36:29 <haeffb> well, well, JenP
Aug 14 16:36:42 <JenP> haeffb!!!!
Aug 14 16:36:51 <JenP> howdy stranger!
Aug 14 16:37:01 <haeffb> how's things?
Aug 14 16:37:43 <JenP> normal hectic life
Aug 14 16:37:47 <JenP> how about you?
Aug 14 16:37:50 <haeffb> as always
Aug 14 16:38:08 <JenP> smiles
Aug 14 16:38:17 <JenP> doing any android stuff yet?
Aug 14 16:38:36 <haeffb> nope
Aug 14 16:38:55 <haeffb> still sticking with webOS
Aug 14 16:39:00 <JenP> how are you liking the new webOS sdk?
Aug 14 16:39:16 <haeffb> it's good. Still missing a few pieces.
Aug 14 16:39:59 <JenP> hmmm I'm about to load it up and take a look at one of my apps. Got a few feature requests. and heck I could use the distraction
Aug 14 16:40:32 <JenP> well that is after I find the make up organizer of my dreams.....
Aug 14 16:42:13 <haeffb> priorities
Aug 14 16:43:24 <JenP> smiles a girls gotta have them
Aug 14 16:44:08 <twbbas> lol
Aug 14 16:46:51 <JenP> any compatabilities issues going from sdk2 to 3?
Aug 14 16:55:08 <haeffb> no, you should be fine.
Aug 14 16:55:31 <JenP> very cool. Now I just have to switch back to eclipse.
Aug 14 16:58:41 <Spanska> Is LumberJack to the TouchPad somewhere in a test or beta feed?
Aug 14 17:00:43 <twbbas> Spanska: I'm not sure there is a tablet version in the testing feeds yet.
Aug 14 17:00:51 <twbbas> The best place to ask is #webos-internals
Aug 14 17:01:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> latest version in testing is 0.5.0
Aug 14 17:01:52 <Spanska> thanks
Aug 14 17:02:02 <Spanska> the version for the phone doesn't seem to work on the TP
Aug 14 17:02:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 0.5.0 works great
Aug 14 17:02:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's just not fullscreen
Aug 14 17:06:18 <matsimoto> Is it possible to access "this" in a Synergy run method. I want to access a method in the object containing the run method, but it does not work.
Aug 14 17:13:32 <sugardave> matsimoto: no
Aug 14 17:14:15 <JenP> sugardave! hiya!
Aug 14 17:14:29 <sugardave> if you are talking about accessing an object in your app from your service or vice versa...can't do that
Aug 14 17:14:32 <sugardave> JenP: HI!
Aug 14 17:14:38 <JenP> how are you?
Aug 14 17:14:51 <sugardave> I am good, about to take my daughter for some sushi
Aug 14 17:14:55 <sugardave> mmmm
Aug 14 17:15:03 <sugardave> how have you been
Aug 14 17:15:05 <sugardave> ?
Aug 14 17:15:09 <sugardave> avoiding the channel... :P
Aug 14 17:15:18 <JenP> mmmm sushi
Aug 14 17:15:36 <JenP> lol i am good.
Aug 14 17:15:41 <JenP> except now i want sushi
Aug 14 17:15:45 <sugardave> hehe
Aug 14 17:15:52 <sugardave> I have to find a good place
Aug 14 17:16:09 <sugardave> thinking Zushi Sushi, but that looks expensive
Aug 14 17:16:11 <JenP> yelp...
Aug 14 17:16:13 * hotdp have read to much about sushi places with bad cleaning
Aug 14 17:16:26 <sugardave> yelp. great idea!
Aug 14 17:16:37 <JenP> yeah they're perfect for honest reviews
Aug 14 17:16:52 <matsimoto> sugardave: I mean a method in the same object as the service is. Isn't there a "trick" on how I can access this method or do Ihave to put alle the logic in the run method ?
Aug 14 17:17:01 <RagingMind> sushi yummy...
Aug 14 17:18:05 <sugardave> matsimoto: hmmm, my lack of service knowledge is showing...but I would guess you could hold a reference to this in the constructor for the service...some kind of var that = this; and then you SHOULD be able to access the methods like that.method()
Aug 14 17:18:28 <sugardave> but I would think that this should already be correct :/
Aug 14 17:18:35 <JenP> http://www.woot.com/
Aug 14 17:18:42 <JenP> anyone seen one of these in action?
Aug 14 17:19:13 <matsimoto> I tried this already, but I cannot access the members if my obejct either. Synergy seems to be a bit tricky.
Aug 14 17:19:16 <sugardave> JenP: get a TouchPad instead :P
Aug 14 17:19:28 <JenP> I have one.
Aug 14 17:19:34 <sugardave> yay!
Aug 14 17:19:43 <JenP> but I want something smaller for around the house too
Aug 14 17:19:55 <JenP> and need a small tablet for purse....kindles getting to heavy
Aug 14 17:20:03 <JenP> and I don't want to get a bigger purse
Aug 14 17:20:05 <sugardave> I hear rumors about a smaller TouchPad :D
Aug 14 17:20:26 <JenP> hmmm well maybe i'll wait a bit
Aug 14 17:20:29 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Wait for the TouchPad Go ;)
Aug 14 17:20:42 <JenP> what's that?
Aug 14 17:21:09 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> 7inch Touchpad little sister
Aug 14 17:21:24 <JenP> cool
Aug 14 17:21:28 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> coming (in the coming months) :D
Aug 14 17:22:00 <JenP> http://www.dinodirect.com/nextbook-premium-7-google-android-tablet-android-tablet-touchscreen-tablet.html?affid=93
Aug 14 17:22:22 <haeffb> JenP: use Titanium Studio instead of eclipse
Aug 14 17:22:32 <JenP> haeffb really?
Aug 14 17:22:35 <haeffb> really
Aug 14 17:22:46 <haeffb> It's just like eclipse but better
Aug 14 17:22:48 <JenP> because I already did komodo and need to convert everything over to the next thing
Aug 14 17:22:54 <JenP> link
Aug 14 17:23:28 <haeffb> http://preview.appcelerator.com/studio/
Aug 14 17:23:58 <JenP> cool, does it have any plugins for palm stuff
Aug 14 17:24:32 <JenP> should i go stable or beta?
Aug 14 17:27:02 <sugardave> ALWAYS beta :D
Aug 14 17:27:14 <JenP> lol so i can use the plugins?
Aug 14 17:27:31 <sugardave> heh, I don't know...I'm back to just using a regular text editor
Aug 14 17:27:35 <dwc-> no, nightly builds!
Aug 14 17:27:40 <haeffb> yes, the eclipse plugins work in titanium
Aug 14 17:28:08 <JenP> LOL you guys are worse than my trainer.....why do I suspect I'll be in pain soon....hmmm?
Aug 14 17:28:58 <haeffb> I have version 1.0.2.201107130739
Aug 14 17:29:25 <JenP> which text editor? so you're just compiling from command line?
Aug 14 17:29:51 <sugardave> I'm trying out Sublime 2...it's pretty nice and then I just use palm-run to test
Aug 14 17:30:18 <sugardave> it doesn't have any code completion or validation
Aug 14 17:30:23 <sugardave> so you have to be paying attentiong
Aug 14 17:30:29 <haeffb> like coding without a condom.
Aug 14 17:30:45 <sugardave> it feels better
Aug 14 17:30:49 <JenP> i don't mind that.....oh haeffb....so many ways to take that
Aug 14 17:30:54 <JenP> LOL you guys are awful
Aug 14 17:31:10 <JenP> so can I just keep using Komodo? Do I have to switch?
Aug 14 17:31:19 <haeffb> no you don't have to switch
Aug 14 17:31:24 <sugardave> I lke Sublim because I can just drag a folder into it and it's part of my "project"
Aug 14 17:31:56 <JenP> ah....i'm a creature of habit.
Aug 14 17:31:59 <haeffb> I like eclipse because I have to jump through arcane hoops to add a folder to my project
Aug 14 17:32:09 <sugardave> bzzzt
Aug 14 17:32:11 <JenP> but my palm did finally die on me so i had to go android
Aug 14 17:32:25 <haeffb> er...I mean because it makes it easy to launch on the TP. And does code validation.
Aug 14 17:32:34 <haeffb> android?
Aug 14 17:32:56 <JenP> yeah samsung google S
Aug 14 17:33:04 <JenP> i miss my palm
Aug 14 17:33:18 <JenP> stupid Sprint
Aug 14 17:33:57 <haeffb> stupid Sprint.
Aug 14 17:35:17 <sugardave> haeffb: not much easier than "palm-run [appdir]"  it even logs for you :D
Aug 14 17:35:40 <haeffb> but I'd have to type in all those words...
Aug 14 17:35:49 * haeffb likes pushing a button
Aug 14 17:35:56 <JenP> lol
Aug 14 17:35:59 <dwc-> you only type it once
Aug 14 17:36:06 <sugardave> you can use tab even in windows now!  it's a brave new world
Aug 14 17:36:18 <dwc-> after that you just up arrow and enter
Aug 14 17:36:32 <JenP> so vote: worth switching out of Komodo to what?
Aug 14 17:36:36 <haeffb> dwc-: true, but sometimes I close my terminal session
Aug 14 17:36:53 <dwc-> ^Rpalm-run
Aug 14 17:37:15 <sugardave> JenP: if you already have your Komodo set up might as well stick with it...but I'm not sure if anybody has updated the plugins in a while
Aug 14 17:37:19 <dwc-> or !palm-r in all likelyhood even
Aug 14 17:37:21 <haeffb> oh, that's nice
Aug 14 17:37:35 <JenP> sugardave that's my concern.
Aug 14 17:37:48 <sugardave> and I don't think the current palm tools are making enyo projects yet
Aug 14 17:38:00 <sugardave> so you'd still have to manually set up your dir
Aug 14 17:38:05 * haeffb believes strongly in the value of code validation.
Aug 14 17:38:10 <sugardave> or use plam-generate and then go delete things
Aug 14 17:38:18 <sugardave> haeffb: validation === it runs
Aug 14 17:38:27 <JenP> LOL
Aug 14 17:38:29 <haeffb> validation === it runs the first time
Aug 14 17:38:48 <dwc-> sugardave: enyo on the phone things everyone has?
Aug 14 17:38:51 <haeffb> without tracking down that missing semi-colon
Aug 14 17:38:58 <dwc-> ... and not PatrickC style either
Aug 14 17:39:02 * PatrickC has enyo on his phone :)
Aug 14 17:39:04 <sugardave> but then you miss out on all the 'WHY THE *&^%^$ DOESN'T THIS RUN' moments
Aug 14 17:39:24 <haeffb> hard to believe, but I still get plenty of those!
Aug 14 17:39:28 <sugardave> haha
Aug 14 17:39:30 <PatrickC> azakus: ping?
Aug 14 17:39:35 <JenP> LOL....oh god the flash backs...
Aug 14 17:39:44 <PatrickC> hey JenP!
Aug 14 17:39:54 <JenP> hi PatrickC! how goes?
Aug 14 17:39:59 <PatrickC> goin good
Aug 14 17:40:09 <PatrickC> sugardave needs to send me my pre3 already!
Aug 14 17:40:14 <sugardave> woo, sushi, game stop for LBP2 (maybe), and best buy for a touchstand....it shall be a good day
Aug 14 17:40:19 <halfhalo> HAH
Aug 14 17:40:25 <halfhalo> pre3!
Aug 14 17:40:40 * haeffb going to go watch some Pushing Daisies...
Aug 14 17:40:43 * halfhalo wants one
Aug 14 17:40:43 <JenP> go sugardave!
Aug 14 17:40:44 * PatrickC asks for a Sprint one please :)
Aug 14 17:40:55 <JenP> oh I miss pushing daisies
Aug 14 17:40:57 <sugardave> PatrickC: as soon as you send me the money...if the Pre - was $600 off-contract, I imagine the 3 will be around the same, maybe $700...so, send that and I will get you one as soon as they are available
Aug 14 17:41:17 <dwc-> bestbuy? hp doesn't give you a better price?
Aug 14 17:41:24 <dwc-> oh, stand.
Aug 14 17:41:24 <PatrickC> sugardave: does that mean you will ship it as soon as you receive the money?
Aug 14 17:41:30 <sugardave> dwc-: I have a unch of gift cards
Aug 14 17:41:36 <sugardave> PatrickC: reading comprehension ftw
Aug 14 17:41:41 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 14 17:41:43 <PatrickC> I was kidding
Aug 14 17:41:44 <sugardave> "as soon as they are available"
Aug 14 17:41:50 <haeffb> "and I will get you one as soon as they are available"
Aug 14 17:42:00 <dwc-> jen... (re-?)watch it all online.
Aug 14 17:42:18 <haeffb> Amazon Streaming on the TP works great
Aug 14 17:42:54 <PatrickC> haeffb: like the amazon prime movie thing?
Aug 14 17:44:36 <haeffb> PatrickC: yes, exactly like that.
Aug 14 17:44:52 <PatrickC> awesome
Aug 14 17:44:58 <PatrickC> we have amazon prime
Aug 14 17:45:08 <PatrickC> native app or website? (sorry, no tp yet)
Aug 14 17:45:41 <CTLAdvance> afternoon
Aug 14 17:46:17 <CTLAdvance> Anyone here now using cygwin with webOS sdk
Aug 14 17:46:57 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: why not use regular cmd line?
Aug 14 17:47:11 <halfhalo> because it sucks in windows
Aug 14 17:47:26 <CTLAdvance> because the phonegap package doesnt work, and in windows 7 its pretty good
Aug 14 17:48:15 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: I don't because I have issues with 32-bit vs 64-bit when trying to do some things
Aug 14 17:48:18 <haeffb> website
Aug 14 17:48:20 <CTLAdvance> I keep getting this stupid java error
Aug 14 17:48:36 <CTLAdvance> yet java is working through cygwin, I can call it confirm the version
Aug 14 17:48:49 <CTLAdvance> I am wondering now if I need to install the linux sdk into cygwin
Aug 14 17:48:57 <sugardave> ouch
Aug 14 17:49:46 <CTLAdvance> says 64 bit java is required
Aug 14 17:49:57 <CTLAdvance> yet its installed and recognised by cygwin
Aug 14 17:49:58 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Aug 14 17:52:05 <CTLAdvance> I guess I need to figure this out and document it for the community :/
Aug 14 17:52:10 <PatrickC> bbl
Aug 14 17:52:16 <CTLAdvance> since it seems there isnt any info anywhere
Aug 14 17:52:21 <JenP> byes PatrickC
Aug 14 17:54:09 <CTLAdvance> I dont want to have to use a vm
Aug 14 18:00:46 <halfhalo> remotezunesyncGO
Aug 14 18:03:52 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: I think the problem is that cygwin is 32-bit
Aug 14 18:04:08 <sugardave> and it can't use 64-bit java :/
Aug 14 18:24:17 <Spanska> Oh well, even LumberJack v0.5.0 doesn't seem to work on the TouchPad
Aug 14 18:47:14 <Robi_> anyone successfuly mount an nfs share from webos?
Aug 14 19:24:05 <PatrickC> sugardave: I want one!
Aug 14 19:25:22 * PatrickC likes sugardave's ferrari
Aug 14 19:40:29 * twbbas is now paying for Spotify Unlimited
Aug 14 19:43:57 <PatrickC> twbbas: cool
Aug 14 19:44:04 * PatrickC is too cheap to pay for it
Aug 14 19:44:05 <twbbas> I have to listen to 291 hours of Spotify a month to make Spotify not make any money off of me
Aug 14 19:44:13 <PatrickC> I actually never use Spotify anyway..
Aug 14 19:44:48 <PatrickC> the reason is.. I don't have mobile access.. :/
Aug 14 19:48:40 * halfhalo tried spotify.  then went back to  zunepass
Aug 14 19:49:56 <halfhalo> more/better choice
Aug 14 19:51:19 <twbbas> I don't think I've had a problem with Spotify not having a song I wanted
Aug 14 19:53:02 <halfhalo> most of the stuff it doesn't have seems to be dance/elecronic stuff that i picked up from zune marketplace
Aug 14 19:54:42 <halfhalo> and then theres good ol classic funk.
Aug 14 19:55:39 <dwc-> to not make any money off of you?
Aug 14 19:55:53 <dwc-> how do you know what their hourly costs are
Aug 14 19:56:23 <twbbas> dwc-: I meant to have to pay my complete monthly payment to the artists
Aug 14 19:57:15 <dwc-> oh, to make the (you -> spotify) cost = number of songs * artist commission (spotify -> artist) ?
Aug 14 19:57:30 <twbbas> Yes
Aug 14 19:57:50 <twbbas> $0.001/play is what they pay the artists according to a website
Aug 14 19:58:00 <twbbas> I doubt that's true but it could be
Aug 14 19:58:21 <dwc-> so that's.... 12.8 hours of listening a day
Aug 14 19:58:26 <dwc-> so you just need to leave it on 24/7
Aug 14 19:58:36 * halfhalo pays 14 a month for 10 songs he keeps a month, plus unlimited downloads and streaming
Aug 14 19:59:32 <twbbas> I pretty much have it playing whenever I'm at my computer
Aug 14 19:59:42 * dwc- pays 0 a month to stream unlimited stuff from grooveshark and last.fm
Aug 14 19:59:54 <twbbas> Yeah, I could use Spotify free but they have a limit and ads
Aug 14 19:59:59 <twbbas> I like having a desktop client
Aug 14 20:00:13 <twbbas> I can control it with my media keys
Aug 14 20:00:22 * halfhalo has no ads.  and has a desktop client.  and a mobileish client.  and a web client.  and a 360 client.
Aug 14 20:00:55 <twbbas> halfhalo: You also pay $9 more a month than me
Aug 14 20:00:59 <twbbas> and I don't have ads
Aug 14 20:01:05 * dwc- plays it on the web. the web is everywhere yanno
Aug 14 20:01:12 <twbbas> I do like the 10 songs a month deal though
Aug 14 20:01:53 <halfhalo> its nice.  although it can be a pain when you try to burn a cd and you realize that the zune client has downloaded like 8 tracks with the same name, but only one is drm free.
Aug 14 20:02:27 <twbbas> My brother's tuition came with type of Zune Pass but it was from a different company
Aug 14 20:02:33 <twbbas> (it's not bankrupt)
Aug 14 20:02:42 <twbbas> but he was dl'ing DRM stuff 24/7
Aug 14 20:02:51 <twbbas> He had like 500GB
Aug 14 20:02:57 <dwc-> DRM is there to be removed, right?
Aug 14 20:03:07 <twbbas> then he made a program that records the songs and saves them in a new file
Aug 14 20:03:24 <halfhalo> and you can't do the whole "i'll just use wmp to burn it since it won't deal with zune drm" since one you have the zune client, any app on that computer can play zune drm files.
Aug 14 20:03:32 <halfhalo> well, any app that uses ms stuff anywho
Aug 14 20:03:57 <dwc-> I wouldn't make a program... I'd use one of the drm strippers someone else wrote. less work
Aug 14 20:04:17 <twbbas> this was back like 5 years ago or so
Aug 14 20:04:26 <twbbas> it might have been harder to find one of those
Aug 14 20:05:04 <halfhalo> I honestly don't mind zune's drm.  I tend to listen to music on my desktop, in my car via zune, or on the go via zune.  anywhere else I can pull up the silverlight player on the zune website and just stream any song in the marketplace
Aug 14 20:07:26 <halfhalo> the winphone is pretty much relgated to video/movie's only and buying songs, not so much listening
Aug 14 20:13:13 <JJ2000> hi folks
Aug 14 20:15:02 <JJ2000> I can't find the location of App Catalog in webOS 1.4.5....
Aug 14 20:15:34 <twbbas> JJ2000: Do you mean you can't find the actual app?
Aug 14 20:15:58 <JJ2000> Wanted to change its icon....the app is there and functioning
Aug 14 20:16:17 <oil> /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/
Aug 14 20:17:51 <JJ2000> great, thanks! I've been searching for hours :D
Aug 14 20:18:27 <JJ2000> 'appcat' would make more sense then 'findapps', IMHO
Aug 14 20:18:39 <JJ2000> but anyhow
Aug 14 20:49:10 <PatrickC> hey all
Aug 14 20:49:27 <twbbas> ew it's PatC
Aug 14 20:49:31 * twbbas hides
Aug 14 20:49:59 <PatrickC> its all twbbas fault
Aug 14 20:50:04 <twbbas> always
Aug 14 20:50:22 <twbbas> I'm making a sweet popup
Aug 14 20:50:29 <PatrickC> for?
Aug 14 20:50:37 <twbbas> scoring in Differences
Aug 14 20:50:50 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 14 20:52:46 * PatrickC thinks http://learncpp.com looks good :)
Aug 14 21:06:21 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: ping
Aug 14 21:08:26 <twbbas> ugh already at over 1.5k lines in this single pane
Aug 14 21:09:37 <PatrickC> wow
Aug 14 21:09:51 <PatrickC> anyone use groveshark?
Aug 14 21:10:10 <oil> twbbas: time to bust some of that out into smaller components
Aug 14 21:10:42 <twbbas> oil: yep
Aug 14 21:10:50 <twbbas> most of it is game code though
Aug 14 21:11:39 <oil> ah
Aug 14 21:11:49 <oil> yeah, sometimes there isnt much you can do, its just a big app
Aug 14 21:11:49 <oil> lol
Aug 14 21:12:18 <twbbas> I'm sure I'll look back at this in a year and cut the size by a lot
Aug 14 21:12:28 <twbbas> I'll know much more enyo then
Aug 14 21:12:34 <oil> well, that happens with everything
Aug 14 21:12:34 <oil> heh
Aug 14 21:13:00 * PatrickC feels like he's missing out by not having a touchpad :'(
Aug 14 21:13:57 <oil> http://i56.tinypic.com/14ch8xw.png
Aug 14 21:14:04 <oil> missing out on awesome keybinding input control :)
Aug 14 21:18:52 <PatrickC> https://rdio.tenderapp.com/discussions/general/864-webos-application
Aug 14 21:19:01 <PatrickC> ^^ to see Rdio come to webOS
Aug 14 21:20:41 <twbbas> isn't there already one?
Aug 14 21:20:45 <twbbas> at least for 3.0?
Aug 14 21:20:57 <PatrickC> is there?
Aug 14 21:21:03 <PatrickC> I don't have a touchpad to check
Aug 14 21:21:14 <PatrickC> and searching 'rdio webos' doesn't turn up anything
Aug 14 21:21:56 * oil doesnt find anything on his tp
Aug 14 21:22:05 <twbbas> oh I have rad.io
Aug 14 21:22:09 * twbbas got confused
Aug 14 21:22:58 <oil> they're different?
Aug 14 21:23:04 <twbbas> are they?
Aug 14 21:23:19 <twbbas> I don't know what rad.io or rdio is
Aug 14 21:23:21 <twbbas> never used em
Aug 14 21:25:26 <PatrickC> rad.io isn't available for phones..
Aug 14 21:26:27 <PatrickC> rdio's api is open. http://developer.rdio.com/page
Aug 14 21:26:39 * PatrickC isn't smart enough to make an app with it yet
Aug 14 21:32:34 <drake2w> hello, does anyone know a way to get the box app on the emulator
Aug 14 21:43:26 <twbbas> How can I make enyo.Spacer work vertically?
Aug 14 21:43:44 <twbbas> I throw them into my VFlexBox but they don't space anything apart
Aug 14 21:44:45 <twbbas> Nevermind. They're working now.
Aug 14 21:47:14 <oil> lol
Aug 14 21:47:48 <twbbas> Hmm, I need to start using a clipboard manager windows app. Any suggestions?
Aug 14 21:48:50 <oil> clipboard manager?
Aug 14 21:49:37 <twbbas> Like something that tracks your past copied items
Aug 14 21:49:53 <twbbas> preferably something that sits in the taskbar
Aug 14 21:51:46 <Tibfib_> ooh, that'd be nice
Aug 14 21:52:28 <Tibfib_> twbbas: any nomnomnom bugs?
Aug 14 21:52:33 <twbbas> Nope!
Aug 14 21:52:41 <Tibfib_> nice
Aug 14 21:52:45 <Tibfib_> notifications enabled?
Aug 14 21:53:16 <twbbas> Yup!
Aug 14 21:53:22 <Tibfib_> awesome
Aug 14 21:53:39 <Tibfib> Anyone from webosroundup here?
Aug 14 21:56:30 <twbbas> I'm trying out Clippy for Windows 7: http://dfgbt.com/#Programs
Aug 14 21:57:10 <dwc-> clippy? didn't they kill him off around 2003
Aug 14 21:57:52 <twbbas> lol
Aug 14 21:57:56 <twbbas> not THAT clippy
Aug 14 21:58:01 <twbbas> this is a clipboard manager
Aug 14 21:58:05 <twbbas> seems pretty good so far
Aug 14 21:58:13 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 14 21:58:18 <Tibfib> twbbas: does it work automatically?
Aug 14 21:58:19 <dwc-> that needs to be an easter egg
Aug 14 21:58:23 <twbbas> Tibfib: Yes
Aug 14 21:58:26 <Tibfib> nice
Aug 14 21:58:27 <dwc-> "hi, it looks like you're trying to copy some text!"
Aug 14 21:58:34 <twbbas> no keyboard shortcuts that I can find, though
Aug 14 21:58:51 <twbbas> but I like the look and just 1 click in taskbar
Aug 14 21:59:50 <dwc-> Window Screenshot (Depreciated as of Version 3).
Aug 14 22:00:04 <dwc-> screenshots aren't worth now what they used to, eh
Aug 14 22:00:44 <twbbas> :O
Aug 14 22:00:49 <twbbas> The screenshot thing is SWEET
Aug 14 22:00:59 <twbbas> It uploads and lets you copy the link
Aug 14 22:01:03 <twbbas> with a single click
Aug 14 22:02:00 <twbbas> ahaha classic windows program
Aug 14 22:02:03 <twbbas> it just crashed :S
Aug 14 22:07:45 <Tibfib> snagit is a great sceenshot taking program
Aug 14 22:08:07 <Tibfib> It had timing delays which was essential for me
Aug 14 22:08:23 <twbbas> I used to just use the win7 snipping tool and save to dropbox
Aug 14 22:08:30 <twbbas> now I think I'll use clippy
Aug 14 22:11:32 <Tibfib> clippy does screnshots too?
Aug 14 22:11:44 <Tibfib> there were like 3 programs from that site that looked useful
Aug 14 22:12:00 <twbbas> ya
Aug 14 22:12:29 <twbbas> downloading window manager now
Aug 14 22:14:46 <Tibfib> hmm I wonder if RoAR can do ipk's
Aug 14 22:16:47 <twbbas> window manager isn't worth the DL
Aug 14 22:17:05 <Tibfib> RoAR can't do ipk's so, not gonna keep it installed
Aug 14 22:17:55 <Tibfib> folder organization is nice
Aug 14 22:18:30 <oil> RoAR?
Aug 14 22:18:40 <Tibfib> rar extractor
Aug 14 22:18:47 <Tibfib> from dfgbt.com
Aug 14 22:19:06 <oil> ah
Aug 14 22:46:05 <rtyler> any of you chaps built and/or installed SDLTerminal properly? doesn't install from PreWare for me, can't quite get the magic working to compile it on my linux host
Aug 15 00:04:15 <haeffb> roy-pre101: it's been about a year since Hackathon #1
Aug 15 00:19:09 <twbbas> nothing like the feeling of a naked touchpad
Aug 15 00:23:15 <Loudergood> naked $Partner_of_choice > Naked touchpad
Aug 15 00:23:59 <twbbas> haha
Aug 15 00:27:51 <Tibfib> twbbas: have you had issues of nomnomnom freezing your touchpad?
Aug 15 00:28:16 <twbbas> once
Aug 15 00:28:20 <twbbas> long time ago
Aug 15 00:28:23 <Tibfib> okay
Aug 15 00:28:44 <Tibfib> thanks!
Aug 15 00:42:45 <Tibfib> lol, found this in system logs: "Amir <3 sysmgr 4/1/11"
Aug 15 00:47:47 <Spanska> Is Skype quality still bad for some people here even after 3.0.2 on the TP?
Aug 15 00:48:30 <Spanska> I tested it a few times with my wife and her iPhone and the TP's webcam seems to work fine. However, I don't know what's wrong with the incoming video stream but it sucks
Aug 15 00:53:51 <Tibfib> I'm so excited to finally get my touchpad.
Aug 15 00:55:31 <Spanska> When will you get it?
Aug 15 00:58:19 <Tibfib> End of the week hopefully
Aug 15 01:05:56 <twbbas> Tibfib: Loaner?
Aug 15 01:06:02 <Tibfib> twbbas: nope
Aug 15 01:06:03 <Tibfib> mine
Aug 15 01:06:05 <twbbas> NICE
Aug 15 01:06:14 <twbbas> first thing you do better be dl my app
Aug 15 01:06:19 <twbbas> then your app, of course
Aug 15 01:06:24 <Tibfib> twbbas: heh
Aug 15 01:06:26 <Tibfib> sure thing
Aug 15 01:06:30 <Tibfib> differences, right?
Aug 15 01:06:34 <twbbas> yup free
Aug 15 01:06:45 <Tibfib> I totally will
Aug 15 01:06:47 <twbbas> hopefully my update will be out by then
Aug 15 01:06:52 <twbbas> it makes it %1532151251 better
Aug 15 01:06:58 <twbbas> why is my % sign in front
Aug 15 01:07:07 * Tibfib wasn't going to mention it
Aug 15 01:07:07 <twbbas> this ain't dollars
Aug 15 01:07:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 15 01:08:58 <Tibfib> gosh I would kill myself if I used wordpress often to write up blogposts
Aug 15 01:09:14 <Tibfib> it's pretty terrible if you are used to writing html and expecting it to format properly
Aug 15 01:09:26 <Tibfib> s/properly/as you wrote it/
Aug 15 01:09:54 <siestacat> preware service manager that's not jstop?
Aug 15 01:12:06 * Hendikins kicks QtNX and Remmina on his TouchPad
Aug 15 01:19:35 <Spanska> twbbas: what's your app?
Aug 15 01:20:05 <twbbas> Spanska: Differences by Zone303. It's a spot-the-difference game. The first 32 levels are free with more available through in-app purchase.
Aug 15 01:21:39 <twbbas> Spanska: Do you have any apps?
Aug 15 01:21:57 <Spanska> Unfortunately, not yet
Aug 15 01:22:26 <Spanska> I think I should be done for most of the GUI design so I should start coding soon
Aug 15 01:22:33 <twbbas> sweet
Aug 15 01:22:35 <Spanska> I still have to think about my database too
Aug 15 01:22:48 <twbbas> Do you mind mentioning what you're building? If not, that's cool tool
Aug 15 01:22:52 <twbbas> cool too*
Aug 15 01:23:01 <Tibfib> twbbas: that was rude.
Aug 15 01:23:05 <twbbas> -.-
Aug 15 01:23:18 <twbbas> my finger slipped on the l when I went to press enter
Aug 15 01:24:18 <Spanska> I don't mind, I'll create a lists app with the possibility to add tasks, stores, shopping items and recipes.. it might sound weird to have recipes there but the point would be to choose a few recipes for a week and get the shopping list generated automatically
Aug 15 01:25:09 <twbbas> that's neat
Aug 15 01:25:09 <Spanska> I was a big fan of HandyShopper and it misses me on the TouchPad so I'll create something new inspired from it
Aug 15 01:25:34 <Spanska> wow your app is huge!
Aug 15 01:26:28 <twbbas> Yeah, I'm trying to shrink it down with this next update
Aug 15 01:26:40 <Spanska> What's making it so big?
Aug 15 01:26:40 <twbbas> It's look at being about 80MB after I update it with about 200MB downloadable
Aug 15 01:26:44 <twbbas> Tons of hi-res photos!
Aug 15 01:26:52 <Spanska> oh wow
Aug 15 01:27:22 <twbbas> Are you a member of the webOSRoundup forums?
Aug 15 01:28:50 <Spanska> it took like 5 minutes go install it
Aug 15 01:28:55 <Spanska> no I am not
Aug 15 01:29:02 <Spanska> PreCentral only so far
Aug 15 01:29:24 <twbbas> Ah, we have a developer forum only on WOR. You can find changelogs and stuff here: http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?forums/zone303.39/
Aug 15 01:30:07 <Shadyman> Hm. The Snapdragon APQ8060 Product Brief says that it has USB OTG capabilities... Winning. Host mode, here I come.
Aug 15 01:31:12 <Shadyman> Though it may not be coded into the kernel yet
Aug 15 01:32:15 <rwhitby> previous webOS device processors had OTG too, but not the external hardware required to support it
Aug 15 01:33:19 <twbbas> Does the enyo API reference not work with scrolling in Chrome for anyone else too?
Aug 15 01:34:25 <Tibfib> twbbas: seems to work here
Aug 15 01:34:34 <twbbas> hmm
Aug 15 01:34:46 <twbbas> Tibfib: are you running the "beta" chrome at all? I think that may be my problem.
Aug 15 01:34:52 <Tibfib> I think I am actually
Aug 15 01:35:00 <Tibfib> 14
Aug 15 01:35:33 <twbbas> hmm me too
Aug 15 01:35:35 <twbbas> weird
Aug 15 01:35:38 <twbbas> maybe an extension?
Aug 15 01:35:44 <twbbas> Oh well
Aug 15 01:37:40 <Spanska> twbbas: great app and gorgeous pictures
Aug 15 01:38:25 <twbbas> Spanska: Thanks! I love to hear feedback.
Aug 15 01:38:40 <Spanska> I thought I would be able to get my wiiMote working with the TouchPad today!
Aug 15 01:38:46 <Tibfib> twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD: well, I'm about to submit nomnomnom
Aug 15 01:38:50 <Tibfib> any last issues?
Aug 15 01:38:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope!
Aug 15 01:38:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-)
Aug 15 01:38:59 <Spanska> well, wouldn't work because of the pin even if the wiiMote needs no pin.. that sucks
Aug 15 01:39:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Congrats though!
Aug 15 01:39:02 <twbbas> Tibfib: Doooooooo it!
Aug 15 01:39:45 <twbbas> One small step for Tibfib, one giant leap for webOS.
Aug 15 01:40:08 <Spanska> Tibfib: congrats, I'll look for it in the App Catalog ;)
Aug 15 01:40:18 <Tibfib> thanks!
Aug 15 01:40:23 <Tibfib> Although you've earned yourself a promo code
Aug 15 01:40:26 <Tibfib> as have twbbas and IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 15 01:40:32 <twbbas> oh gee ;)
Aug 15 01:40:38 <Spanska> :D
Aug 15 01:40:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: don't bother, I'm buying it
Aug 15 01:40:44 <Spanska> off to bed now, good night
Aug 15 01:41:00 <twbbas> Cya Spanska
Aug 15 01:41:05 <twbbas> Tibfib: What's your next app going to be?
Aug 15 01:41:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's worth my money
Aug 15 01:41:24 <conradev> Spanska: There are ways around that
Aug 15 01:41:38 <Tibfib> twbbas: good question
Aug 15 01:41:43 <Tibfib> probably the spotify app
Aug 15 01:41:48 <twbbas> I was gonna suggest that
Aug 15 01:41:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wow
Aug 15 01:41:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that will sell like nothing else
Aug 15 01:42:03 <Tibfib> has to be free
Aug 15 01:42:08 <Tibfib> unfortunately.
Aug 15 01:42:09 <twbbas> dang
Aug 15 01:42:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah really?
Aug 15 01:42:13 <Tibfib> yeah, api requires it
Aug 15 01:42:21 <twbbas> throw your own ads in there?
Aug 15 01:42:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> can you get subsidized by Spotify?
Aug 15 01:42:35 <Tibfib> twbbas: that's a good idea
Aug 15 01:42:41 <Tibfib> twbbas: in-app payments to remove them
Aug 15 01:42:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I was going to suggest exactly that
Aug 15 01:42:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 15 01:42:58 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: I don't think so
Aug 15 01:43:18 <Tibfib> don't ads count as "commercial"?
Aug 15 01:43:32 <twbbas> hmm guess so
Aug 15 01:43:56 <twbbas> just beware, IAPs are kinda sketchy
Aug 15 01:44:04 <twbbas> I've had so many problems trying to submit/test them
Aug 15 01:44:18 <Tibfib> "If you would like to make use of Spotify in a commercial way, then please contact our Partner team before you engage in any work."
Aug 15 01:44:22 * rwhitby has been waiting for others to pipe-clean IAPs
Aug 15 01:44:26 <Tibfib> I'll try that first
Aug 15 01:51:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: that doesn't sound awful... you might be able to cut a deal as "THE" webOS Spotify app
Aug 15 01:51:14 <Tibfib> yeah, that'd be awesome
Aug 15 01:51:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because let's face it, they don't think it's worth it (yet) to do it in-house
Aug 15 01:52:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> could be a seriously good opportunity
Aug 15 01:52:13 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 15 01:52:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> show them NomNomNom as your proof-of-capableness
Aug 15 01:52:51 <Tibfib> definitely
Aug 15 01:56:54 <rwhitby> they'll hate the name though
Aug 15 01:59:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
Aug 15 01:59:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> who's to blame? :-P
Aug 15 02:00:59 <rwhitby> yeah, who thought up such an unprofessional name?
Aug 15 02:04:49 <Tibfib> rwhitby: spotify can not get mad at ME for a bad name
Aug 15 02:05:13 <Tibfib> talk about being a hypocrite
Aug 15 02:06:05 <Tibfib> twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD: does tapping the links in the about popups open up a card?
Aug 15 02:06:46 <rwhitby> Tibfib: yeah, the guy who suggested that name to you is a real jerk
Aug 15 02:07:44 <Tibfib> rwhitby: yeah, oh well.
Aug 15 02:08:06 <rwhitby> Tibfib: you should call him out on it. don't let him get away with it.
Aug 15 02:08:17 <Tibfib> oh, I will.
Aug 15 02:08:19 <Tibfib> publicly
Aug 15 02:08:31 <rwhitby> sweet. I'll RT it.
Aug 15 02:08:33 <Tibfib> "Hey and if you don't like the nomnomnom name, I'm sorry. Blame XXXXX"
Aug 15 02:11:38 <Tibfib> twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD: spoiler, they don't
Aug 15 02:11:40 <Tibfib> Fixed.
Aug 15 02:12:26 <rwhitby> Tibfib: you need a random subtitle like Preware - "Blame the name on XXXX"
Aug 15 02:13:01 <rwhitby> and "Spotify won't care anway"
Aug 15 02:19:15 <Tibfib> rwhitby: YES
Aug 15 02:19:23 <Tibfib> that could work on the title bar
Aug 15 02:19:35 <Tibfib> "NomNomNom for Google Reader -- Blame the name on XXXX"
Aug 15 02:19:51 <rwhitby> Tibfib: put it in the app title in the app catalog
Aug 15 02:19:57 <rwhitby> there's room
Aug 15 02:20:00 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 15 02:20:06 <Tibfib> it might get me more downloads
Aug 15 02:20:22 <rwhitby> those looking for XXX apps?
Aug 15 02:20:23 <rrix> I really hate debugging JS :(
Aug 15 02:20:42 <Tibfib> rwhitby: big crowd
Aug 15 02:20:45 <Tibfib> rrix: use chrome
Aug 15 02:20:49 <Tibfib> makes life better
Aug 15 02:21:03 <Tibfib> hmmm, initial release sale?
Aug 15 02:21:06 <Tibfib> yay or nay?
Aug 15 02:21:33 <rrix> Tibfib: I'm using the webkit debugger, it's just ... painful
Aug 15 02:21:40 <rrix> or does chrome ship a different one
Aug 15 02:21:58 * rrix has been philosophically against having chrom{ium,e} installed on his system so far
Aug 15 02:22:27 <rrix> I refactored some code and now my VirtualList isn't rendering :|
Aug 15 02:22:29 <Tibfib> rrix: chrome debugger works well now
Aug 15 02:22:32 <Tibfib> err.
Aug 15 02:22:36 <Tibfib> s/now/for me/
Aug 15 02:22:38 <rrix> I guess I'll try chromium
Aug 15 02:23:23 <drobbins> hmmmm
Aug 15 02:24:02 <Tibfib> sugardav1: yay or nay
Aug 15 02:29:28 <easthero> hi,all . webos novacom driver is not available for Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, any suggest ?
Aug 15 02:31:41 <NuttyBunny> pingggggg?
Aug 15 02:31:53 <rrix> Yeah, this is the same debugger, sadness :<
Aug 15 02:33:20 <rrix> hmm, my app doesn't even pretend to work in chromium, but it works in rekonq. can't load the framwork
Aug 15 02:33:24 * rrix yells at it
Aug 15 02:34:31 <Tibfib> rrix: you have to set flags in chrome to launch it
Aug 15 02:38:12 <rrix> Oh, right
Aug 15 02:38:17 * rrix silly
Aug 15 02:38:29 <easthero_> hi,all . webos novacom driver is not available for Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, any suggestion?
Aug 15 02:42:38 <rrix> Sigh, I don't know why this isn't working. Silly me trying to refactor this code. :\
Aug 15 02:49:21 <twbbas> Tibfib: Who suggested the name?
Aug 15 02:52:11 <Tibfib> twbbas: you'll see
Aug 15 02:52:36 <Tibfib> twbbas: initial app release sale, yay or nay?
Aug 15 02:52:45 <Tibfib> I don't want to decrease it much to lose money
Aug 15 02:53:09 <Tibfib> but I don't want it to be too small of a sale for people to be like "well why is it even on sale?"
Aug 15 02:55:08 <twbbas> =\ idk
Aug 15 02:55:41 * twbbas looks through chat logs to see who suggested nomnomnom
Aug 15 02:55:46 <Tibfib> heh
Aug 15 02:56:05 * Hendikins ponders picking up a solar charging device.
Aug 15 02:56:15 <Tibfib> I think I'll do 3.50 for the two days. Then, 4.99
Aug 15 02:56:46 <Tibfib> or 3.00 for the first two days, 5.00 for the rest
Aug 15 02:57:54 <Tibfib> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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