**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 15 02:59:57 2011 Aug 15 03:00:46 do a penny day in there somewhere Aug 15 03:02:08 nononono Aug 15 03:02:32 So, I have a virtualrepeater that works perfectly fine until I put it in to a scroller, at which point it no longer renders Aug 15 03:02:45 rrix: paste Aug 15 03:02:48 Doesn't call any of the rendering functions, but shows up in the DOM Aug 15 03:02:50 I'm guessing somethign is wrong with flex. Aug 15 03:03:02 http://privatepaste.com/47a37f092c Aug 15 03:03:15 can I not flex it? Aug 15 03:03:18 paste outside of the scroller Aug 15 03:03:25 Oh, ok Aug 15 03:03:41 http://privatepaste.com/4ebe98c73d Aug 15 03:04:14 afaik, that should work Aug 15 03:04:23 depends on what your virtual box is in haahah Aug 15 03:04:40 hmmmm Aug 15 03:04:48 * rrix gets a hammer Aug 15 03:04:58 you said it works without the scroller? Aug 15 03:05:11 Yup Aug 15 03:05:17 odd. Aug 15 03:05:20 It just draws the Button below it on top of it Aug 15 03:05:56 use chrome to edit the flex stuff and see if you can get it working Aug 15 03:05:57 http://i.imgur.com/HhacZ.png <== like so Aug 15 03:06:18 hmmmmm Aug 15 03:06:34 rwhitby: Do we have any idea what the mifi device is yet? (I didn't get one, I'm using a Sierra AirCard 753S) Aug 15 03:06:38 have any funny styles on your virtual repeater? Aug 15 03:07:42 well, it's there in the DOM when I use a scroller, it just gets nommed on by the other elements Aug 15 03:07:47 No styles at all Aug 15 03:07:58 * rrix needs to go wake someone up, brb Aug 15 03:09:10 ahaaha my guess was correct in who suggested NomNomNom Aug 15 03:09:26 I have evidence now! Aug 15 03:09:54 * twbbas thinks Tibfib should pay that person royalties Aug 15 03:10:08 Hendikins: no idea Aug 15 03:10:09 twbbas: bah Aug 15 03:10:32 Somehow the height of the scroller flex is being set to 0 Aug 15 03:10:36 twbbas: what are other google reader apps priced? Aug 15 03:10:41 rrix: that happens with flex Aug 15 03:10:42 twbbas: half the revenue should be an appropriate amount I think Aug 15 03:11:05 since the name is the most important part of any app ... Aug 15 03:11:22 right-o govnah Aug 15 03:11:37 Tibfib: $1.99, $1.99, $1.79 Aug 15 03:11:40 Hrm, novacom source. I wonder if that will actually build with a recent libusb. Aug 15 03:11:46 not source Aug 15 03:11:51 twbbas: oh. Aug 15 03:12:00 Only 3 Google Readers come up in search that are "For TouchPad" Aug 15 03:12:11 I may just go 3.99 permanently then Aug 15 03:12:12 Not source? Bah. Aug 15 03:12:20 There's a $2.99 one that's mojo but just fullscreen Aug 15 03:12:33 DANGIT I DUNNO Aug 15 03:12:36 oh and Mosaic is free Aug 15 03:12:42 forgot that one Aug 15 03:13:04 Tibfib: Best way to determine a price is to add all competitor's prices and divide by pi Aug 15 03:13:12 Tibfib: Start at 3.49 Aug 15 03:13:24 yours is that much better Aug 15 03:13:25 twbbas: solid advice Aug 15 03:13:52 that comes out to $1.84 Aug 15 03:14:19 Yup Aug 15 03:14:24 actually, $2.79 Aug 15 03:14:31 (didn't add in teh 2.99) Aug 15 03:14:38 IGNTNUNLMTD: permanently, or for a week? Aug 15 03:14:49 Price it at $2.79 and something magical will happen Aug 15 03:14:53 lol Aug 15 03:15:06 I'd say $4 is a decent price for the app but not when compared to competitor Aug 15 03:15:06 actually, $2.99 for the first week Aug 15 03:15:16 and then go to $4 Aug 15 03:15:21 I'd say do that Aug 15 03:16:06 hmmm, I like that Aug 15 03:17:19 hmmm should I use a copyright symbol? "NomNomNom for Google Reader" Aug 15 03:19:19 err, the TM symbol Aug 15 03:19:21 and looks like it Aug 15 03:19:36 http://www.google.com/permissions/#tab3 Aug 15 03:19:42 Tibfib: TM by the person who suggested the name? Aug 15 03:19:54 heh, for Google Reader itself Aug 15 03:20:03 psh, google. Aug 15 03:20:15 * Tibfib wonders if the tm symbol works in the catalog Aug 15 03:20:27 hmmmmmmmmmm Aug 15 03:20:51 I'd think it would Aug 15 03:21:01 I mean it is... webOS Aug 15 03:21:02 I guess we'll find out! Aug 15 03:21:15 * twbbas waits for the symbol to come out all messed up in the app title Aug 15 03:21:28 seriously Aug 15 03:21:34 pretty sad I have to worry about that. Aug 15 03:23:13 Tibfib: No apps have a TM symbol next to their name Aug 15 03:23:17 if that's any indication Aug 15 03:23:31 I'll put a note to the reviewer Aug 15 03:23:42 they don't actually read the notes Aug 15 03:23:50 twbbas: there you go - *that* explains all the missing apps from webOS - unable to include the TM symbol in the name! Aug 15 03:23:56 Yup! Aug 15 03:24:06 Netflix is just waiting on that Aug 15 03:24:12 Netflix probably has been trying to submit their app all this time! Aug 15 03:24:13 their app has been complete for months Aug 15 03:24:17 snap Aug 15 03:24:38 * Tibfib starts tweet campaign to allow TM Aug 15 03:26:06 I think HP has bigger problems than allowing TM in the catalog Aug 15 03:26:14 *cough* Pre 3 *cough* Aug 15 03:26:15 now, it explains everything. Aug 15 03:26:26 Pre 3 was probably delayed because they were working on TM Aug 15 03:26:32 That has to be it Aug 15 03:26:39 s/now/no/ Aug 15 03:26:45 GOSH I TYPO SOOO MUCH Aug 15 03:26:52 Tibfibbin Aug 15 03:27:00 it's not called typo anymore Aug 15 03:27:14 I bet typo originated from people misspelling type Aug 15 03:27:19 prob Aug 15 03:27:41 "Typo" is related to, but does not come from, the verb "to type". Aug 15 03:27:41 It is short for "typographical error" Aug 15 03:27:42 just kidding Aug 15 03:27:46 or someone was like "I just gotta type... OH!" I mistyped that Aug 15 03:28:09 those quotes should be at the end Aug 15 03:28:14 * twbbas just typoed Aug 15 03:28:22 typOHed Aug 15 03:28:22 type-oh'd Aug 15 03:28:25 haha Aug 15 03:28:57 Why do I always find myself in here at this time of night talking about random stuff when I should be sleeping? Aug 15 03:29:29 * Tibfib is typing fanciful descriptions of an app with an awful name Aug 15 03:29:51 Make an Ascii drawing of the Cookie Monster in your description Aug 15 03:30:32 ohmygosh Aug 15 03:30:46 what if I did it Aug 15 03:30:49 * oil_pre hates typing descriptions Aug 15 03:30:50 dooooooo it Aug 15 03:30:54 have that be the only thing Aug 15 03:31:02 troll the app cat users Aug 15 03:31:13 it always ends up 'an app that does stuff and it's awesome' Aug 15 03:31:20 http://pastebin.com/H7Yk5Cyf Aug 15 03:31:36 app cat does not use fixed width - hard to do ascii art Aug 15 03:32:08 new link: http://pastebin.com/0kYPQXsv Aug 15 03:32:11 rwhitby: darn it Aug 15 03:32:28 what if it was soo awesome it worked in both landscape and portrait Aug 15 03:32:35 whole cookie, half-eaten cookie Aug 15 03:32:37 that would be amazing Aug 15 03:32:45 like the pivot mag Aug 15 03:32:50 it changes pics when you rotate Aug 15 03:33:00 nice Aug 15 03:33:11 anyone have any complaints with my description? Aug 15 03:33:19 ya Aug 15 03:33:20 any more magical adjectives needed? Aug 15 03:33:22 "premium" == highest cost? Aug 15 03:33:22 no ascii art Aug 15 03:33:34 rwhitby: I was on the fence about that Aug 15 03:33:39 premier? Aug 15 03:33:40 It makes it sound fancy Aug 15 03:33:42 ooo prmeier Aug 15 03:33:44 Tibfib: you forgot one bullet point: Aug 15 03:33:50 * Named by XXXX Aug 15 03:33:52 hahaha Aug 15 03:33:55 that should be first Aug 15 03:34:15 you should mention that at least 5 times in the description Aug 15 03:34:15 they won't believe you Aug 15 03:34:29 'but it doesn't end in -ah' they'll say Aug 15 03:34:36 hahaaha Aug 15 03:34:43 Well he wanted "feedah" Aug 15 03:34:44 NomNomNah Aug 15 03:34:55 or "readah" Aug 15 03:35:08 * Tibfib might just end the with random bullet points Aug 15 03:35:14 "seriously, you are still reading this? Aug 15 03:35:18 "download now!" Aug 15 03:35:19 lol Aug 15 03:35:24 give me your monies Aug 15 03:35:32 "Best way to spend your $50 app cat credit" Aug 15 03:35:58 "NomNomNom makes all of your wildest dreams come true" Aug 15 03:36:04 "Vote for NomNomNom" Aug 15 03:36:14 haha Aug 15 03:36:20 "Lisa pushed the right button this time" Aug 15 03:36:58 hahah Aug 15 03:38:26 Enjoy your feeds! Aug 15 03:38:55 Would you like some feeds with that? Aug 15 03:38:57 lol: http://pastebin.com/KzAev8B0 Aug 15 03:38:59 mmm nom nom make the catalog\ Aug 15 03:39:11 woops, silly javascript syntax Aug 15 03:39:14 the secret's out! Aug 15 03:39:35 Tibfib: You shoulda added in "Would you like some feeds with that?" when the user doesn't have any feeds added :) Aug 15 03:39:43 hahaha Aug 15 03:39:57 Tibfib: you miscapitalised WebOS Internals Aug 15 03:40:14 you capitalize your w? Aug 15 03:40:19 of course Aug 15 03:40:24 * Tibfib refuses Aug 15 03:40:31 "webOS Internals" Aug 15 03:40:33 no one will believe Aug 15 03:40:38 you must capitalize Aug 15 03:40:39 we have to - we can't put a TM in the app catalog Aug 15 03:40:52 aha Aug 15 03:40:52 if we leave it lower case, it's a trademark Aug 15 03:40:53 hahaha Aug 15 03:41:31 (WebOS Internals is very careful about IP infringement) Aug 15 03:41:44 rwhitby: you know, I actually believe you Aug 15 03:41:55 "Welcome to the WebOS Internals wiki" Aug 15 03:42:04 check the public IRC logs of the first day if you dont Aug 15 03:42:18 so it wasn't just a type-OH? Aug 15 03:42:48 man those first day irc logs are gonna be in a museum someday Aug 15 03:42:53 sooo, I think listing: • Making all your wildest dreams come true Aug 15 03:42:53 • A feeling of no regret for purchasing as features goes too far Aug 15 03:43:53 best way to spend your $50 is to buy your apps on as many devices as possible Aug 15 03:44:25 best way to spend your $50 is to buy *my* app on as many devices as possible Aug 15 03:44:31 ^ Aug 15 03:44:39 "Rod whitby approves of this message" Aug 15 03:44:39 lol Aug 15 03:44:46 capitalize the W !!! Aug 15 03:44:54 oh gimmeabreak Aug 15 03:45:00 * rrix snorts Aug 15 03:45:51 good night weebos Aug 15 03:45:56 Tibfib: got some notifications on nom today Aug 15 03:46:11 rwhitby: nice Aug 15 03:46:15 Tibfib: does the notification disappear if you read the messages without hitting the notification ? Aug 15 03:46:31 umm, it disappears when you focus the app I believe Aug 15 03:46:57 can you add that to Spaz too? Aug 15 03:47:10 rwhitby: sure, wanna add it to the issues? :D Aug 15 03:47:23 github.com/funkatron/Spaz-Enyo/ Aug 15 03:47:57 psh, bug trackers are for people who don't know a committer Aug 15 03:48:09 good evening Aug 15 03:48:20 25 word description for NomNomNom: "OM NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM" Aug 15 03:49:02 50 word description for NomNomNom: "OM NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM" Aug 15 03:49:17 * rwhitby finds it ironic that only a few weeks ago he had to enquire as to the origin of 'Nom Nom' ... Aug 15 03:49:27 lol Aug 15 03:49:35 haha Aug 15 03:50:08 hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't have a screenshot of the grid view Aug 15 03:50:22 lolcatlol Aug 15 03:50:44 Tibfib: don't forget the '&' to make newlines work in the catalog Aug 15 03:50:56 wasnt it that odd character Aug 15 03:51:15 ebaumsworld? i think i may need to check up on that. i dont' thin ki know the origin Aug 15 03:51:33 rwhitby: I believe I have one Aug 15 03:51:40 yep Aug 15 03:51:41 "Download it now & start devouring your feeds!" Aug 15 03:51:51 ah, now I see it. sweet. Aug 15 03:52:06 it should be "to".. makes more sense than and Aug 15 03:52:32 * Tibfib changes a different and Aug 15 03:52:47 EHHHHHHH Aug 15 03:52:48 either works Aug 15 03:52:54 omg it origin is wayyyy before that nvm............................. Aug 15 03:55:41 OH COME ONE Aug 15 03:55:46 OH COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Aug 15 03:56:36 http://youtu.be/dJBKcJQVDK0 Aug 15 03:58:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl5Pfc5TyO0 Aug 15 03:58:50 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnagRjxp7v4 Aug 15 04:00:59 * Tibfib starts over on his app submission Aug 15 04:01:52 new name? Aug 15 04:02:07 no, forgot I was going to up the version to v0.8.0 Aug 15 04:02:14 * fxspec06 goes to bed on a actual mattress tonight... Aug 15 04:02:32 I'd wait for the 1.0.2 version before buying. Aug 15 04:02:36 have fun tib, congrats on submitting Aug 15 04:02:42 fxspec06: thanks man! Aug 15 04:02:55 0.8.0 is bound to have too many bugs Aug 15 04:03:08 no prob! i'm sure it'll do great Aug 15 04:03:26 night all Aug 15 04:04:20 Tibfib: new bullet line: Aug 15 04:04:27 * chocolate icon for Adora Aug 15 04:04:36 heheh Aug 15 04:04:53 0.8.0 is bound to have fewer bugs than v0.0.16 Aug 15 04:08:07 bah Aug 15 04:08:14 stupid "no spaces in screenshot names" Aug 15 04:11:15 * rwhitby needs to think of something interesting to present for 15 minutes in Sydney Aug 15 04:11:28 rwhitby: Talk about nomnomnom!! Aug 15 04:11:35 that would take like 14.5 minutes Aug 15 04:11:40 then you could talk about wosi! Aug 15 04:11:59 "Apps named by me" Aug 15 04:12:04 heheheh Aug 15 04:14:03 * Tibfib hovers over the "submit" button Aug 15 04:14:41 hey all Aug 15 04:16:53 SUBMITTED! Aug 15 04:17:13 Tibfib: awesome! Aug 15 04:17:17 pre3 dual core? Aug 15 04:18:08 PatrickC: no. Aug 15 04:18:19 check WOR Aug 15 04:18:24 rumor Aug 15 04:18:47 no. Aug 15 04:19:27 if the listed processor wasn't the touchpad's, there'd be just a little bit more credibility Aug 15 04:20:31 PatrickC: it's a carrier site Aug 15 04:20:41 no what? Aug 15 04:21:03 no, the pre 3 is not dual core Aug 15 04:21:17 rwhitby: ah Aug 15 04:23:07 Tibfib: so you got Nomnomnom finished? Aug 15 04:23:12 I did Aug 15 04:23:19 cool! Aug 15 04:23:25 it's only 80% finished Aug 15 04:23:26 yeah, I'm really excited Aug 15 04:23:28 I can't wait to get my touchpad and get it Aug 15 04:23:32 rwhitby: GRGHGHGHGHHHH Aug 15 04:23:45 kotoplayer hasn't made 0.5 I think Aug 15 04:23:54 if it was finished, you'd have called it 1.0 ;) Aug 15 04:24:07 oh just kidding Aug 15 04:24:09 Tibfib: what version is submitted? :) Aug 15 04:24:12 it is 0.8.2 Aug 15 04:24:16 wow Aug 15 04:24:22 PatrickC: nomnomnom is v0.8 Aug 15 04:24:25 lots of betas :) Aug 15 04:24:26 koto is 0.8.2 Aug 15 04:24:30 no Aug 15 04:24:33 awesome, 0.8.2 is much better than 0.8.0 Aug 15 04:24:41 too many bugs in a .0 release Aug 15 04:24:56 rwhitby: with nomnomnom I have two updates lined up that I plan on before the 1.0 Aug 15 04:25:03 so I went to 0.8 Aug 15 04:25:05 .2 means you've already fixed those bugs Aug 15 04:25:36 I shoulda worked the system. Aug 15 04:26:31 * PatrickC increments on a 0.0.1 basis.. Aug 15 04:26:33 I wanna see some do a first release as 42.1337.9 Aug 15 04:26:37 I start at 0.0.1 Aug 15 04:26:43 rwhitby: lol Aug 15 04:27:05 actually, it should be .99 Aug 15 04:27:10 rwhitby: there were some pdk apps that did that Aug 15 04:27:22 not quite meme numbers, but ridiculous ones Aug 15 04:27:22 brb Aug 15 04:29:48 "Well folks, the time has come! NomNomNom has been submitted! Now if I was a jerk I'd tell you to bother @Adora to approve it, but I won't." Aug 15 04:29:49 wirc-mojo: year and a half of dwvelopment, still at 0.4.6 Aug 15 04:37:38 https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/102961516629868544 Aug 15 04:38:36 Tibfib: you need to add NomNomNom to your twitter bio Aug 15 04:38:48 I do! Aug 15 04:38:49 thanks Aug 15 04:48:37 Anyone on here familiar with cygwin Aug 15 04:49:17 Well I'm going to bed Aug 15 04:49:19 Thanks everyone! Aug 15 04:49:43 and thanks rwhitby for sharing the word :) Aug 15 04:51:48 CTLAdvance: does it need linux? Aug 15 04:51:54 if so. why not WUBI? Aug 15 04:52:06 WUBI Aug 15 04:52:22 Windows Ubuntu based Installer Aug 15 04:52:27 very nice Aug 15 04:52:53 it gives you a way to dual-boot, but you can install/uninstall it with an .exe Aug 15 04:52:57 s/an/a Aug 15 04:54:11 well this is kind of where I was going, or using a virtual machine Aug 15 04:54:20 or make the make file into a bat file Aug 15 04:54:23 :/ Aug 15 04:54:34 more likely using a vm Aug 15 04:54:48 WUBI is as easy as a vm Aug 15 04:54:58 but is much better in the long run imho Aug 15 04:55:09 CTLAdvance: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer Aug 15 04:55:58 you just have to dl the iso (just like for a vm) and run the program Aug 15 04:56:00 welp patrick, I have run Ubuntu many times on several different systems, all the way back to 4.x infact I still have cases of cd;s for a 4 series release Aug 15 04:56:03 I believe Aug 15 04:56:13 wow Aug 15 04:56:20 Had them shipped over Aug 15 04:56:48 but imo, the wubi seems better for me. and you can easily get usb access unlike with a vm Aug 15 04:57:06 But experience says that the vm is much better to retaining the integrity of the machine then a side install Aug 15 04:57:21 yep Aug 15 04:57:29 I just read this over Aug 15 04:57:29 I've not experienced any issues with my wubi install Aug 15 04:57:45 the only setback is you can only have a 32GB vhd iirc Aug 15 04:57:51 max* Aug 15 04:59:47 * Hendikins has just come to the conclusion that the touchpad would be fine for IRC via NX, and that X11 forwarding has issues related to the touchpad virtual keyboard. Aug 15 05:02:01 irc via wirc ftw Aug 15 05:02:45 the touchpad wirc looks slick Aug 15 05:03:24 it's still mostly incomplete, but it's off to a good start Aug 15 05:03:49 oil_pre: tab-complete done? or close? Aug 15 05:05:14 wirc is not device independent. The reason I use NX is to leave my IRC session on one machine and access it from wherever required (essentially it is screen for X11) Aug 15 05:05:54 well, you can do that with a proxy or bouncer Aug 15 05:05:55 hey dkirker! Aug 15 05:06:58 I can't run other X11 apps with a proxy or bouncer. Aug 15 05:07:38 hi Aug 15 05:07:49 And NX can run on a Vodafone AU connection, so clearly it requires next to no bandwidth (compared to say, RDP or VNC) Aug 15 05:08:51 Hendikins: touchpad keyboard issues being the lack of certain keys? Aug 15 05:09:59 rwhitby: Seems to be a mapping issue of some sort. Tap a key, get something else or nothing at all. Aug 15 05:10:27 Not that I plan to use X11 forwarding, just figured I'd try it. Aug 15 05:10:45 run xev locally to see what keycode you're getting, and then run it remotely to see if you get the same Aug 15 05:11:55 I'm on a train, will have to wait until tonight. Aug 15 05:12:02 ok Aug 15 05:12:32 * Hendikins doesn't do anything that actually requires paying attention when he's on a train, because the train is what he's there to pay attention to. Aug 15 05:14:45 choo choo! Aug 15 05:15:07 congrats Tibfib Aug 15 05:18:55 any eclipse users? Aug 15 05:19:00 quick question Aug 15 05:22:16 Hendikins: good prioritisation ;) Aug 15 05:23:00 Guhhhhh, this binary I need requires boost. :( Aug 15 05:23:10 * rrix sighs Aug 15 05:23:22 Wait, there buildroot has boost Aug 15 05:24:15 the buildroot Aug 15 05:25:24 Whats up PatrickC Aug 15 05:25:37 eclipse has debugging, right? Aug 15 05:25:58 well depending upon what you are doing it does Aug 15 05:26:12 building webos apps Aug 15 05:27:51 I'm trying to figure out where the offline-webos-plugin is located.. Aug 15 05:27:57 ohwell, I'll look tomorrow Aug 15 05:27:59 night all Aug 15 05:36:53 man, vpnc is fickle for some reason :-( Aug 15 07:25:47 Hello!. Aug 15 07:25:58 yo Aug 15 07:26:04 :) Aug 15 07:26:24 My name is Travis. I'm new dev of WebOS. Aug 15 07:27:57 g'day trakynggames Aug 15 07:28:20 ;) Aug 15 07:30:59 Well do some one know about filling the form W-7 and W-8 Aug 15 07:41:49 Ahm... Aug 15 07:42:33 *? Aug 15 07:42:51 Well do some one know about filling the form W-7 and W-8?. Aug 15 07:43:18 What you wonna know? Aug 15 07:43:40 Well I'm stuck at form W-7 Aug 15 07:44:23 Then I have to put a treaty with the country I have to. Aug 15 07:45:04 But my country (Dominican Republic) doesn't have a Treaty with USA in pub 901. Aug 15 07:45:38 What should I do in this case?. Aug 15 07:46:02 hmm Aug 15 07:46:10 i donnu Aug 15 07:46:19 Haha. :P Aug 15 07:46:37 I have to sent it this Tuesday... Aug 15 07:46:47 And I don't find an answer yet. Aug 15 07:46:51 Since this friday. Aug 15 10:06:00 Well, it looks like the TouchPad will survive one of my workdays on a battery if I give it a jolt on my meal break. Aug 15 10:06:28 (8.5 hours of shift + nearly 2 hours commuting time) Aug 15 11:04:55 rwhitby: Have run xev now. Aug 15 11:10:28 It looks to be an issue with the NX client itself Aug 15 11:37:23 Yep, definitely an NX problem. Running xev using X11 forwarding is fine. Running xev in an NX session gives me a heap of strange keycodes. Aug 15 12:17:02 Google just bought Motorola Aug 15 12:17:15 yer saw your tweet Aug 15 12:17:20 that is breaking news! Aug 15 12:17:43 yup Aug 15 12:20:02 Why am I still awake? :( I can't hack, I can't work, I can't ... function, yet here I am, hopped up on club mate and industrial Aug 15 12:20:06 * Hendikins ponders how to deal with the key mapping issue with NX. Aug 15 12:54:38 Hrm. Remmina is broken. QtNX can work. Aug 15 12:54:59 Also, a HOME environment variable needs to be set for NX clients to function. Aug 15 13:05:54 hrm, still need a way to enter caps. shift works for non-alpha characters. Aug 15 13:09:22 are you running latest XServer ? Aug 15 13:15:08 Running 0.7.3. Since I can use shift to enter caps in applications running on the TouchPad itself (like LibreOffice), I blame the NX configuration, client or server. Aug 15 13:15:28 ok Aug 15 13:45:19 dawm: where do you modify the wifi profiles in the metadoctor? Aug 15 13:45:58 its in /config Aug 15 13:46:09 er well i dunn where it is in the final doctor Aug 15 13:46:31 but when you build it you opy some file from /var/preferences and throw it in the metadoctor dir under /config Aug 15 13:47:10 hmmm Aug 15 13:47:26 i was hoping to modify the one you put on dropbox Aug 15 13:47:37 trying to see if i can find that file somewhere Aug 15 13:47:39 lemme see if i can find it in there Aug 15 13:48:58 its in Aug 15 13:49:37 jar file -> webOS.tar -> nova-cust-image-roadrunner.rootfs.tar.gz-> /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi Aug 15 13:49:50 awesome, thanks Aug 15 13:50:08 and the file is prefsDB.sl Aug 15 13:50:12 its a sqlite db Aug 15 13:51:00 here's to hoping i can modify a file 3 layers deep in a jar file :) Aug 15 13:54:04 wow Aug 15 13:54:40 txt msg : Need some quick cash for bills and expenses? You can get up to $1,500 tomorrow! It's easy, just visit WWW.FundsRelief.COM Aug 15 13:54:43 hmmm, is that database on my current device in the same path? Aug 15 13:55:00 yeah Aug 15 13:55:10 /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi/prefsDB.sl Aug 15 13:55:18 sweet Aug 15 13:55:20 Block This Person Aug 15 13:55:30 i wonder how you unblock someone Aug 15 13:55:50 heheh, i've never tried :) Aug 15 13:56:13 you have to have a good reason to block them, so it'd be a while before i'd check Aug 15 13:58:30 is there a terminal app for tp? Aug 15 14:01:47 HattCzech_work: Xecutah Aug 15 14:01:49 (testing feeds) Aug 15 14:01:56 cool, thanks Aug 15 14:06:03 dawm: did you have to manually do the apConfig part of that sqlite db? Aug 15 14:09:12 dkirker: ping! Aug 15 14:24:27 I dont know why they want people to use cygwin for phonegap with windows.... this was a waste Aug 15 14:24:56 just to irritate you :) Aug 15 14:25:30 dawm: still around? Aug 15 14:28:42 I am making a new bat, now that I have it running Aug 15 14:29:47 morning all Aug 15 14:35:49 Tibfib: yo! Aug 15 14:36:06 you should approve nomnomnom! Aug 15 14:36:11 and hi! Aug 15 14:36:12 :) Aug 15 14:36:19 lol Aug 15 14:36:31 can I haz nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom promo code nom nom Aug 15 14:36:33 are you enjoying dev rel? Aug 15 14:36:40 Yeah, it is pretty fun Aug 15 14:37:28 CTLAdvance: go nom your own nomnomnom Aug 15 14:37:29 Alright, time to get ready for work. I need to take the vehicle in for an oil change before work... Aug 15 14:37:43 nom your nomnomnom? Aug 15 14:38:08 I'm not sure what that means, I was hoping you'd figure that one out Aug 15 14:38:45 I feel that you just told me to nom my nom Aug 15 14:39:26 no, I said to nom your own nomnomnom Aug 15 14:39:38 you are disgusting... Aug 15 14:40:01 CTLAdvance: hey, like I said, I left the interpretation up to you Aug 15 14:40:15 why dont you just nomnomalomanom Aug 15 14:40:43 ouch Aug 15 14:41:01 we should make as many nomnom words as possible Aug 15 14:41:56 nompossible Aug 15 14:44:15 Tibfib: I found a bug Aug 15 14:44:25 nomtastic Aug 15 14:44:27 what can i use on the touchpad for watching videos? Aug 15 14:44:28 nomular Aug 15 14:44:33 twbbas-tp: nompossible Aug 15 14:44:38 Tibfib: l Aug 15 14:44:39 nomuricious Aug 15 14:44:41 Lol Aug 15 14:44:42 twbbas-tp: wha tis it? Aug 15 14:44:44 and what format do the movies need to be in Aug 15 14:44:45 ? Aug 15 14:44:47 nomdatious Aug 15 14:44:56 twbbas-tp: and it is important enough to suspend submission? Aug 15 14:45:17 one nation, under nom Aug 15 14:45:36 Well, it has to do with notifications nit disappearing. Only happens when there are multiples ones from different feeds. When I tap on the top one, only that one disappears when I bring the app up. Aug 15 14:45:53 nomdivisible, with nomberty and nomstice Aug 15 14:45:56 Nom... James Nom Aug 15 14:46:04 twbbas-tp:not really a bug Aug 15 14:46:07 just how I designed it Aug 15 14:46:12 Really? Aug 15 14:46:12 which isn't the best Aug 15 14:46:34 I'll have to improve it later Aug 15 14:46:39 I started reading all my feeds and no nitifs went away :-( Aug 15 14:46:50 Grrr autocorrect Aug 15 14:46:51 just swipe em away Aug 15 14:46:57 Ya Aug 15 14:48:49 how did we miss this one: pheNOMenal Aug 15 14:48:52 I put my comp in hibernate last night and now it wouldn't boot up. So I restarted it and am waiting a bajillion hours for it to load. Aug 15 14:49:35 HP/Nom Aug 15 14:50:02 "nomstoppable" Aug 15 14:50:43 Tibfib: when you update NNN, say in the description... "NomNomNom 1.0.0 - with extra Nom" Aug 15 14:50:50 yes! Aug 15 14:51:25 any other good ones? Aug 15 14:51:31 nombelievable Aug 15 14:52:16 nomsome Aug 15 14:52:34 nomcredible Aug 15 14:52:54 nomazing Aug 15 14:53:15 Nomtuitve Aug 15 14:53:22 nice Aug 15 14:53:30 Forgot an I there Aug 15 14:53:53 Windows y u no load faster Aug 15 14:54:06 * twbbas-tp needs to reformat sometime Aug 15 14:55:17 Magnomicent Aug 15 14:56:44 http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/103117279163723776 Aug 15 14:57:21 Haha nice Aug 15 14:59:17 Nooooooo Aug 15 14:59:25 hmm? Aug 15 14:59:32 Just got blue screen when windows was about loaded Aug 15 14:59:40 morning Aug 15 14:59:52 fxspec06_: ping Aug 15 14:59:53 Now I gotta load it all over again Aug 15 15:00:05 nice Aug 15 15:01:22 hey LoneStar99 Aug 15 15:02:13 howdy PatrickC Aug 15 15:02:24 DDG almost ready to start? Aug 15 15:02:49 dear dog guards? Aug 15 15:03:03 difficult deranged gardeners Aug 15 15:03:06 Deadly dog guards Aug 15 15:03:10 DuckDuckGo Aug 15 15:03:34 shmeh, liked gardeners better Aug 15 15:05:01 I think I'm definitely gonna break a site view record today Aug 15 15:05:41 almost there at it is 10am Aug 15 15:05:45 s/at/and/ Aug 15 15:06:04 nice Aug 15 15:06:18 I like the 3.0 interface Aug 15 15:06:26 * PatrickC wishes he had it Aug 15 15:06:37 a few more days and I /should/ be able to order it Aug 15 15:06:40 PATC... its 11:04AM on the east coast, do you know where your tp is Aug 15 15:07:16 brb Aug 15 15:07:59 it just left Mesquite, texas Aug 15 15:08:43 mmm I wonder when we will see the touchpad+ launch Aug 15 15:09:01 geeze, if it is 11:04a on the East Coast, that means it is too damn early on the west coast... Aug 15 15:09:03 this seems really laggy, I am hoping that the new processor fires it up a bit Aug 15 15:09:10 time for an oil change, and off to work! Aug 15 15:09:14 later everyone! Aug 15 15:09:19 later Aug 15 15:09:21 dkirker: I WANT A PRE3 DATE! Aug 15 15:09:22 dkirker: nomnomnom awaits you :) Aug 15 15:09:25 please? :) Aug 15 15:09:30 dkirker: cya Aug 15 15:09:33 PatrickC: Talk to PR. Aug 15 15:09:39 lol Aug 15 15:09:42 cya dkirker Aug 15 15:09:48 Tibfib: submitted? Aug 15 15:09:50 hey IGNTNUNLMTD Aug 15 15:09:51 brb Aug 15 15:09:51 yessir! Aug 15 15:09:58 excellent! :-) Aug 15 15:10:03 Hey PatrickC Aug 15 15:10:04 http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/103117279163723776 Aug 15 15:10:45 your website is gorgeous too! damn! Aug 15 15:10:54 http://fakeprecentral.blogspot.com/2011/08/google-announces-plans-to-purchase.html Aug 15 15:10:57 Lololol Aug 15 15:11:33 fakeprecentral haha Aug 15 15:11:37 rofl I love the RIM one Aug 15 15:12:13 lol Aug 15 15:12:18 what is this site Aug 15 15:13:16 wow, goog will have its own cell phone arm Aug 15 15:13:19 IGNTNUNLMTD: just ignore the logo :) Aug 15 15:14:13 yeah, they own motorola mobility Aug 15 15:14:52 well looks like MS will be able to sue goog directly Aug 15 15:14:53 awesome Aug 15 15:15:37 CTLAdvance: why? Aug 15 15:16:09 anyone who is studying to be a politician... plzfix the patent system, kthnx Aug 15 15:16:32 IGNTNUNLMTD: i think very few politicians actually have a political science degree. Aug 15 15:16:35 Yes! Aug 15 15:16:37 which is probably part of the problem Aug 15 15:16:46 anyone who thinks the patent system is broken, cant request it to be fixed Aug 15 15:16:48 back on computer Aug 15 15:16:49 ie your broken Aug 15 15:16:52 esser: very few politicians have an IQ above 75 Aug 15 15:16:56 nomnom$$$nomnom Aug 15 15:16:59 "I'm a jerkoff populist lawyer from the backwoods! I CAN BE PRESIDENT, TOO!" Aug 15 15:17:10 The rent is too damn high party Aug 15 15:17:14 esser: exactly Aug 15 15:17:19 he got evicted Aug 15 15:17:31 I love his music video Aug 15 15:17:35 he evicts himself Aug 15 15:17:39 lol Aug 15 15:18:01 The patent thing is really only a side-effect of a desperate move to an intellectual property-based economy, though. Aug 15 15:18:20 which, in and of itself, is sort of a problem Aug 15 15:18:22 Manufacturing is failing, and valuable natural resources are undergoing price depression due to greater exploitation of resources in Africa. Aug 15 15:18:30 Hence, flailing patents. Aug 15 15:18:35 yep Aug 15 15:19:10 currently my #1 choice for the 2012 elections is to GTFO of the country for good Aug 15 15:19:12 Can't really blame the decision-makers. It is the only viable move. Aug 15 15:19:24 Otherwise, income equilibirum will draw closer and closer. Aug 15 15:19:34 I LIKE TURTLES Aug 15 15:19:35 minus my awful spelling Aug 15 15:19:55 Tibfib: words of wisdom. Aug 15 15:20:08 esser: I thought the channel could benefit Aug 15 15:20:39 Tibfib: we all appreciate your sagely analysis of the Turtled One Aug 15 15:21:03 2012 elections will be a freaking joke, worse than 2008 Aug 15 15:22:12 gang bangers that don't even how to spell voting for "obama" cuss it was the cool thing to do back in 2008, Aug 15 15:22:33 I really hope the Tea Party will grow. Not because I think they have anything remotely intelligent to say, but so that the US has a third large party. That way, the sane people from both parties have something to oppose that is not each other. Aug 15 15:22:51 That way, we might actually be able to pass some bills. Aug 15 15:22:54 You know; do things. Aug 15 15:23:13 esser: agreed Aug 15 15:23:32 i wish they would become their own party and not just take control of the gop Aug 15 15:23:36 I wasn't sure that was needed until that brinksmanship over the debt ceiling. Aug 15 15:23:49 "I SWEAR I'LL PUT A BULLET IN MY OWN HEAD! I SWEAR! I WILL!" idiocy. Aug 15 15:24:00 i am voting for paris hilton! Aug 15 15:24:51 And you know what? If it all goes to hell Aug 15 15:24:53 I'm going home. Aug 15 15:24:54 The end. Aug 15 15:25:34 I have land there where I can grow vegetables that will sustain me while the world economy collapses. Aug 15 15:26:18 bbl Aug 15 15:28:13 The thing is, we shouldnt be required to keep increasing our debt ceiling, we really need to take major cuts across the board, I figure when they downgrade our credit rating again, then maybe they will think about cuts Aug 15 15:28:17 or real cuts Aug 15 15:29:07 same looks to be happening across much of Europe now, and the UK, but people dont like to loose entitlements so its hard to decide what to cut Aug 15 15:30:25 Nooooooooo. 3rd blue screen this morning Aug 15 15:30:45 My laptop is acting all funky Aug 15 15:30:56 CTLAdvance: Cuts are absolutely necessary. However, if you actually run through the math, you quickly realize cuts alone won't do it. Aug 15 15:31:08 The US needs major, major tax increases to pay off that debt. For at least a generation. Aug 15 15:31:19 And that is something that is politically absolutely undoable by either party. Aug 15 15:31:45 no, but major cuts need to happen to many social programs, I am shocked they even thought about launching a socialized healthcare program when we cant control spending Aug 15 15:32:19 IRC: the soapbox for the rest of us Aug 15 15:32:52 CTLAdvance: socialized healthcare is a drop in the bucket compared to the real problems. Aug 15 15:32:54 Yes, I would agree if the tax increase went to paying off the debt Aug 15 15:32:56 and it provides real benefits. Aug 15 15:33:02 but it wont, it will get folded into more spending Aug 15 15:33:03 in contrast to most other things Aug 15 15:33:14 thus the issue with govt Aug 15 15:33:24 twbbas-tp: windows 7? Aug 15 15:34:00 Tibfib: yeah Aug 15 15:34:08 that's not good Aug 15 15:34:14 :'( Aug 15 15:34:30 I just wanna code! Aug 15 15:35:03 ™ Aug 15 15:35:10 Well when you need to tax a program for 6 years to pay off the remaining 4, there is something wrong with it, I am not saying that something is bad along these lines, but what they did was a hot mess Aug 15 15:35:16 TP keyboard has TM symbol ™ Aug 15 15:35:21 nice Aug 15 15:35:25 and now it will most likely be invalidated due to the mandatory clause Aug 15 15:35:27 so it SHOULD work in teh catalog Aug 15 15:35:36 ® Aug 15 15:35:49 CTLAdvance: Not defending the current implementation at all. Aug 15 15:36:02 They need to take a real business approach to government, and alot of it will get cut Aug 15 15:36:09 make it a six sigma project or something Aug 15 15:36:16 Nope I know Aug 15 15:36:40 CTLAdvance: A big problem with anything of that nature in the US is that government is automatically assumed incompetent. So it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. Aug 15 15:36:47 It also means that smart people don't want to work there, often. Aug 15 15:36:49 everyone, it's okay....Rick Perry will save us Aug 15 15:36:51 :/ Aug 15 15:36:56 yep Aug 15 15:37:17 CTLAdvance: I also think rampant individualism is a big problem. Aug 15 15:37:19 Let alone how corrupt it is. Aug 15 15:37:55 Take socialized healthcare for example. The leading counterargument is that you can't throw money at it to get the absolute best care humanly possible. That may or may not be correct. However, it also means that everyone gets at least a base level of care. Aug 15 15:38:05 \-('.')-[] Aug 15 15:38:10 And if you think you're more important than that just becuase you're rich, there is something seriously wrong with the thought process. Aug 15 15:38:15 I dont believe anything will change until there is a major impact on the people here, I figure once they lower our credit rating a few more times and it gets even harder to barrow money, then people might start to wake up Aug 15 15:38:43 wow, heavy discussion for a monday morning :/ Aug 15 15:39:00 []-('.')-/ \-('.')-[] Aug 15 15:39:12 :) Aug 15 15:39:25 We need to take this to #webos-politics Aug 15 15:39:29 haha Aug 15 15:39:33 \-('.')-[] {-('.')-[] Aug 15 15:39:39 if that's anything like php internals, then no thanks Aug 15 15:39:41 Webos devs discussing politics, honor thy NDA etc etc Aug 15 15:39:47 lol Aug 15 15:42:27 did somneone in here ping me last night about using Tide to edit some file? Aug 15 15:43:10 fxspec06_: was it you? Aug 15 15:44:48 My computer is messed up. I can't load chrome without it crashing. Aug 15 15:44:55 sugardave: how long has rick perry been governor of TX for like 25 years? LOL Aug 15 15:45:17 at least 10 i know that. Aug 15 15:46:20 the answer is "too long" Aug 15 15:46:26 lol Aug 15 15:46:46 since the last "yeehaw 'cowboy' Aug 15 15:46:52 " got elected to President Aug 15 15:47:33 lol Aug 15 15:47:41 yeah Aug 15 15:48:00 sugardave: i got good news! Aug 15 15:48:12 ups. pm Aug 15 15:48:37 i got bad news! Aug 15 15:48:42 11 years... Aug 15 15:48:52 I can't believe its not butter! Aug 15 15:48:53 there is no way to find out if a bt keyboard is active in webos Aug 15 15:49:04 Wow Aug 15 15:49:15 unless you have access to the private bus Aug 15 15:51:56 * PatrickC_ found the iso legally for VS C++ 2008 Aug 15 15:51:59 :) Aug 15 15:52:10 its impossible to do many things in webos Aug 15 15:52:11 lol Aug 15 15:52:35 they have to reinvent things that java has had years to do Aug 15 15:52:37 its never nompossible! Aug 15 15:52:43 anyone that wants to watch "into the wild" via stream --> http://www.videobb.com/watch_video.php?v=SEaoHHeTX0Dw Aug 15 15:52:51 into the wild? Aug 15 15:53:02 good film Aug 15 15:53:16 the kid who goes to nunavut or w/e Aug 15 15:54:16 some dude that does all sort of crazy shit and ends up in alaska Aug 15 15:54:50 yeah Aug 15 15:54:51 cool Aug 15 15:55:49 PatrikC whats VS for Aug 15 15:56:30 I think you will find it is really nice, much better than eclipse, for things that overlap Aug 15 15:56:43 hmm, agenda exhibition keeps putting the same single entry over and over in the view :/ Aug 15 15:57:15 CTLAdvance: as a replacement for Code::Blocks Aug 15 15:57:20 I hear VS is better Aug 15 15:57:23 we really need a webOS plugin for visual studio Aug 15 15:57:24 yep Aug 15 15:57:33 and VS 2010 won't run on my laptop Aug 15 15:57:40 AH Aug 15 15:57:41 so 2008 is the newest that will Aug 15 15:57:56 Yeah, you know, for 299 you can get a pretty sweet upgrate for your system Aug 15 15:58:04 bestbuy has lappys dirt cheap Aug 15 15:58:12 not a power monger but it would get the job done Aug 15 15:58:12 I'm saving for a mac Aug 15 15:58:14 :) Aug 15 15:58:19 I see Aug 15 15:58:22 just a little more the 299 ;) Aug 15 15:58:41 CTLAdvance: you use VS? Aug 15 15:58:52 yep, I use 2010 alot Aug 15 15:58:58 depends on what I am doing Aug 15 15:59:15 cool Aug 15 15:59:17 C++? Aug 15 15:59:28 usually C# Aug 15 15:59:31 C++++ Aug 15 15:59:35 :) Aug 15 15:59:48 sometimes silverlight and C# Aug 15 16:00:02 what do you use C# for? Aug 15 16:00:06 Horrible bug in Photos app in OS2.1, on my pre 2. Can not see more than 99 pics! Aug 15 16:00:45 Alot of .net stuff usually, sometimes I also make console applications to do things Aug 15 16:01:01 CTLAdvance: pm? quick question Aug 15 16:01:02 QA should have a kick in the butt. Aug 15 16:01:07 sure Aug 15 16:03:08 brb Aug 15 16:04:48 I'm quite new to webOS, trying to get enyo to cooperate with eclipse Aug 15 16:04:59 So, after 4 days mi broadband card was left without service, they say I spent 10Gb (and they are supposed to limit me to 128kbps after 512Mb) Aug 15 16:05:13 the templates are all Mojo from what I see, but using palm-generate, and adding those files doesn't seem to work either Aug 15 16:05:18 I get 'no projects to copy' Aug 15 16:05:35 any insight? Aug 15 16:05:53 enyo has no set format for the folder Aug 15 16:05:59 so you generate it yourself Aug 15 16:06:02 jweinberg: if you let the palm/eclipse plugins make a new Mojo app, you can jsut go into that project dir and remove the extra stuff you don't need Aug 15 16:06:30 I 'thought' that is what I just did, let me go try again :) Aug 15 16:06:31 all you NEED is appinfo.json, depends.js, and an .html file you want to start with (referenced in appinfo.json) Aug 15 16:06:47 depends.js you will have to create by hand, obviously Aug 15 16:07:02 Easy to just check one of the samples. Aug 15 16:08:11 Got a sample app written in Smalltalk to work the other day, quite nice. Jtalk (compiles to js). Aug 15 16:09:13 jweinberg: you need to keep the .project file in the project dir... Aug 15 16:09:22 .project file? Aug 15 16:09:48 LoneStar99: I never use .project files Aug 15 16:10:07 yeah ".project" file that eclipse automatically builds Aug 15 16:10:21 oh, that's eclipse :) Aug 15 16:10:22 jweinberg: I think he's talking about the eclipse .project file so eclipse can keep track of things if you start moving project dirs around Aug 15 16:10:25 * PatrickC hand builds Aug 15 16:11:02 LoneStar99: huh, let me try starting from scratch and creating a new workspace Aug 15 16:11:13 I'm missing something... :? Aug 15 16:11:17 C# >> Java Aug 15 16:11:19 sugardave: maybe you can help me Aug 15 16:11:28 I'm an iOS dev by trade, so eclipse is a bit...different for me Aug 15 16:11:36 but thats not saying much Aug 15 16:11:36 yeah, have noticed that if you remove the .project file before building a new "mojo/ enyo" app eclipse will not threat project as true "mojo" app Aug 15 16:11:42 jweinberg: I'm starting to find eclipse too large for nimble Enyo development Aug 15 16:11:53 sugardave: pm? Aug 15 16:11:55 anything my microsoft sucks ass in general Aug 15 16:11:59 what do you use instead? Aug 15 16:12:06 PatrickC: no need for secrets Aug 15 16:12:08 just CLI + an editor? Aug 15 16:12:16 PuffTheMagic: email related Aug 15 16:12:21 jweinberg: that's what I do Aug 15 16:12:21 I just keep a "skeleton" empty dir around that has a couple of kinds in it that I use a lot, and copy that dir whenever I need to make a new app...then I just use Sublime 2 Aug 15 16:12:24 for enyo Aug 15 16:12:24 jweinberg: yep Aug 15 16:12:41 PatrickC: what is the question? Aug 15 16:12:46 about eclipse Aug 15 16:12:50 hrm Aug 15 16:12:51 MS Frontpage 2000 LOL Aug 15 16:12:55 the dev page doesn't have all the info Aug 15 16:12:57 matbee: what cant webos do? Aug 15 16:13:02 Sublime 2 good JS editor? Aug 15 16:13:07 jweinberg: yes Aug 15 16:13:15 sublime 2 is awesome Aug 15 16:13:20 +` Aug 15 16:13:20 jweinberg: it depends on what you want, it doesn't have code completion or validation Aug 15 16:13:25 ooh. +1 Aug 15 16:13:32 just gorgeous Aug 15 16:13:34 * PuffTheMagic not a fan of sublime* Aug 15 16:13:39 what I really want is code complete Aug 15 16:13:48 sugardave: it does minor code completion Aug 15 16:13:49 but it is nice looking and easy to make new project dirs, just drag them to the editor Aug 15 16:13:51 especially as I'm trying to learn the libs and JS in general Aug 15 16:13:55 Tibfib: orly? Aug 15 16:14:10 if --> tab Aug 15 16:14:15 sugardave: I can't find the offline installer for the eclipse webos plugin mentioned here "(If you are unable to connect to this site, see the Local download instructions below.)" Aug 15 16:14:16 makes the end bracket Aug 15 16:14:40 there are no instructions below Aug 15 16:14:42 Tibfib: I just type if { and it makes the last one for me :D Aug 15 16:14:49 * jweinberg wonders if dashcode will work Aug 15 16:14:52 sugardave: yeah Aug 15 16:15:01 I love that part :) Aug 15 16:15:01 webstorms has good autocompletion Aug 15 16:15:03 I meant nothing like: start typing doc and it starts completing on document Aug 15 16:15:04 but if you press tab right after "if" no space Aug 15 16:15:09 mine doesn't do that Aug 15 16:15:25 sugardave: yeah, doesn't do that Aug 15 16:15:36 PatrickC: a link? Aug 15 16:15:44 the eclipse plugin is still mojo-based :/ Aug 15 16:15:46 PatrickC: you do not need that plugin, from what i have noticed Aug 15 16:15:47 sugardave: although I think there is variable completion Aug 15 16:15:51 dunno how to use it Aug 15 16:15:56 but it pops up every once in a while here Aug 15 16:16:01 sugardave: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_with_the_eclipse_ide.html Aug 15 16:16:11 LoneStar99: what does the plugin give you? Aug 15 16:16:20 Tibfib: I see this weird thing I haven't investigated when you do ctrl+r Aug 15 16:16:24 crimsonredmk: that's what I need. I'm doing Mojo dev Aug 15 16:16:33 i thought the eclipse plugin was for pdk only Aug 15 16:16:38 sugardave: ah yeah, that's one of them Aug 15 16:16:38 nope Aug 15 16:16:44 it is mojo as well Aug 15 16:16:45 iirc Aug 15 16:16:53 yep, mojo Aug 15 16:16:54 sugardave: looks to be a quick finder Aug 15 16:17:01 pat Aug 15 16:17:05 finds functions Aug 15 16:17:10 LoneStar99: yep Aug 15 16:17:12 PatrickC: it gives you hope Aug 15 16:17:14 lol Aug 15 16:17:15 lol Aug 15 16:17:36 JK, not sure never installed it, b/c of the same reason, did not know what the instructions meant Aug 15 16:17:53 ah, I like ctrl-shift-f on the project dir Aug 15 16:17:57 i do not know how to read Aug 15 16:17:59 sugardave should be able to fix it :) Aug 15 16:18:45 sugardave: I'm not a huge fan of the search results themselves Aug 15 16:18:48 pretty barebones Aug 15 16:18:53 could do a lot more Aug 15 16:18:58 i only look at pictures and listen to loud music Aug 15 16:18:58 sugardave: when doing the deletion stuff from eclipse to change it to an enyo project Aug 15 16:19:05 I get [20110815-11:16:21.943002] error: Not allowed to load local resource: file:///opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/refcode/framework/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js in the console now Aug 15 16:19:18 jweinberg: in chomre? Aug 15 16:19:24 in the emulator Aug 15 16:19:28 oh, that'd odd Aug 15 16:19:39 jweinberg: delete everything and keep ".project" Aug 15 16:19:40 it should rewrite that path Aug 15 16:19:54 LoneStar99: I didn't see a .project Aug 15 16:20:00 thus I didn't delete it Aug 15 16:20:03 :) Aug 15 16:20:56 u using windows or macos? Aug 15 16:21:28 cuss in macos u cant see .* files by default Aug 15 16:23:35 brb Aug 15 16:23:42 sugardave: lemme know what you find Aug 15 16:24:04 osx Aug 15 16:24:38 PatrickC: wait Aug 15 16:24:45 why do you need this if you don't use eclipse? Aug 15 16:25:11 jweinberg: http://pastebin.com/GeJc19xP Aug 15 16:28:01 hola chuqui Aug 15 16:30:04 hola Aug 15 16:30:18 hello chuqui Aug 15 16:30:49 hey it's chuqui! Aug 15 16:32:46 * oil_pre is happy 3.x supports getimagedata Aug 15 16:33:05 oil_pre: what are you using canvas in? Aug 15 16:33:12 hey chuqui ! Aug 15 16:33:22 wirc-enya Aug 15 16:33:31 oil_pre: interesting Aug 15 16:33:37 Sail away! Aug 15 16:33:46 happy monday Aug 15 16:34:02 color picker > huge-ass listselector Aug 15 16:34:36 nice Aug 15 16:35:05 okay, gotta go do something instead of smashing the f5 button Aug 15 16:35:09 bbl Aug 15 16:35:15 I'm thinking like a tap+hold advanced 'enter any valid css color string' option Aug 15 16:35:20 sugardave: you listen to country? Aug 15 16:35:33 he's from texas Aug 15 16:35:36 it's the law Aug 15 16:35:40 lol Aug 15 16:35:41 oil_pre: that'd be nice Aug 15 16:35:45 I hate color pickers Aug 15 16:35:48 can NEVER get what I want Aug 15 16:35:54 yeah Aug 15 16:36:08 I'm probably just super uncordinated. Aug 15 16:36:22 Tibfib_: yeah using a color picker in my app, that contains some sort of bug in my enyo app Aug 15 16:36:35 let you enter like #xxx or rgba() or just a color name Aug 15 16:36:42 LoneStar99: not too much, really...I don't listen to much music at all Aug 15 16:36:52 Sometimes it is easier if you handle color with two horizontal sliders Aug 15 16:37:00 One for the hue, and the other for the brightness Aug 15 16:37:02 oil: heh, gonna let users define opacity? Aug 15 16:37:07 rgbA() Aug 15 16:37:15 Tibfib_: it's valid :) Aug 15 16:37:23 Or sometimes you can get a way with 20 buttons, with preset colors :) Aug 15 16:37:24 secret advanced option Aug 15 16:37:34 regex to validate? Aug 15 16:37:39 shouldn't be too hard Aug 15 16:37:47 probabl already some out there Aug 15 16:37:52 no, just don't screw up Aug 15 16:37:55 hahaha Aug 15 16:37:56 lol Aug 15 16:37:58 Good plan Aug 15 16:38:09 probably regex Aug 15 16:38:43 I'm at a crossroads with Enyo code completion Aug 15 16:38:55 I was wondering if anyone might chime in with what they would prefer? Aug 15 16:38:56 but 99% of users will just tap/drag to color they want Aug 15 16:39:12 oil_pre: no need to regex really Aug 15 16:39:24 just be like, don't be stupid, stupid is ugly Aug 15 16:39:31 now I'm offffffffffff Aug 15 16:39:33 bye Aug 15 16:39:33 lol Aug 15 16:39:41 actually, stupid is black Aug 15 16:39:48 case and point! Aug 15 16:39:54 lol Aug 15 16:40:02 Right now, you can write { kind: "Button", caption: "Hello" } Aug 15 16:40:13 ...or new Button ( { caption: "Hello" } ); Aug 15 16:40:28 ...or var button = new Button (); button.caption = "Hello"; Aug 15 16:40:40 Is that a better system than doing function chaining instead? Aug 15 16:40:43 Tibfib_: i have code for a color picker like --> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=in.bobc.dr Aug 15 16:40:47 new Button ().caption ("Hello"); Aug 15 16:40:56 nevermind stupid doesn't work Aug 15 16:41:57 LoneStar99: mine is much simpler Aug 15 16:42:24 oil_pre: but is better, JK LOL Aug 15 16:42:27 sugardave: I want to use Eclipse Aug 15 16:42:32 I GET MY DESKTOP BACK! Aug 15 16:42:47 but "mine" --> Aug 15 16:43:13 it's basically a rainbowish image in a canvas Aug 15 16:44:16 So which is better? var pane = new SlidingPane (); pane.flex = 1; ... or ... new SlidingPane ().flex (1); Aug 15 16:44:17 nice, Aug 15 16:44:32 bbl Aug 15 16:44:43 singmajesty: I've already gotten used to the enya way of typing crap out Aug 15 16:44:46 :/ Aug 15 16:45:01 This is with code completion Aug 15 16:45:17 So if you do "var button = new eny" it will pop out with all the Enyo kinds that are available Aug 15 16:45:17 yeah Aug 15 16:45:34 Then after button equals something, you can type "button." and it will pop out with all the properties Aug 15 16:46:10 But generic objects { kind: "Button" } and half-way generic objects new Button ( { caption: "Hello" } ); are supported Aug 15 16:46:12 I mean, I get it, I'm just never typing var button = new eny Aug 15 16:46:38 Oh, and it also works like this: Aug 15 16:46:48 var button:Button = this.$.myButton; Aug 15 16:47:00 Then you'd get code completion for button at that point Aug 15 16:47:06 ah Aug 15 16:47:19 what editor? Aug 15 16:47:24 So you could skip it during the initialization phase, but maybe use it after everything is initialized Aug 15 16:47:40 FlashDevelop, FDT, plugins for TextMate, gedit, etc. Aug 15 16:48:00 * oil_pre is dirty eclipse user Aug 15 16:48:07 http://haxe.org/com/ide Aug 15 16:48:11 * oil_pre is firmly in rut Aug 15 16:48:20 They don't all support code completion, but many do Aug 15 16:48:25 FDT is Eclipse-based Aug 15 16:48:40 Oh, look at that Aug 15 16:48:40 http://haxe.org/com/ide/eclipse Aug 15 16:48:49 hey Adora, portal uirevision2 get fixed? Aug 15 16:49:09 no Aug 15 16:49:36 :( Aug 15 16:50:20 One more question... Aug 15 16:50:26 singmajesty: if I cam get it to work in eclipse I'll give it a go Aug 15 16:50:36 Do I provide typing for one, "almost fits all" definition ... Aug 15 16:50:40 I'm always hittin the api docs lookin for what I want Aug 15 16:50:53 with "caption", "flex", "className", "show", "hide", etc... Aug 15 16:51:04 or at the control itself if I think the docs are hiding stuff from me Aug 15 16:51:07 At initialization, you have to know that methods like "show" and "hide" are not available Aug 15 16:51:29 After instantiation, you have to know that you use "setCaption" instead of "caption"... Aug 15 16:51:38 ...or do I provide two different kinds of completion? Aug 15 16:51:47 Like "enyo.Button" has all the properties, but no methods Aug 15 16:51:53 depends on the audience Aug 15 16:52:01 and "enyo.ButtonInstance" has all the getters, setters and methods, but no properties? Aug 15 16:52:26 The second case could have perfect completion, but then you have two different definitions per kind Aug 15 16:52:48 The first is a "one size fits most" approach, but you still need to know about "magic" functions like "setCaption" or "doSelect" Aug 15 16:53:28 I can't really decide what is better Aug 15 16:53:38 Ugh, typing finnish is sometimes a major pain on webOS... Nearly every word causes a spell correction :P Aug 15 16:53:46 haha Aug 15 16:53:49 lol Aug 15 16:54:02 Yeah, on my phone, I turned off auto correct Aug 15 16:54:14 And added shortcuts for cant -> can't, youre -> you're, etc. Aug 15 16:54:39 I wish there was a setting for how aggressive the autocorrect would be Aug 15 16:54:45 It's convenient when you have words with ä and ö, it's occasionally smart enough to figure out that if you type leipa you actually meant leipä Aug 15 16:54:57 (assuming you first add leipä to the dictionary) Aug 15 16:54:59 * oil_pre is on 145 where the autocorrect sucked haha Aug 15 16:55:08 just how I like it Aug 15 16:55:48 After a kind has been instantiated, is *everything* a getter and setter? Aug 15 16:55:54 setCaption, getCaption Aug 15 16:56:01 Or does anything still work as a normal property? Aug 15 16:56:42 I guess it all changes? Aug 15 16:57:07 * oil_pre doesn't know Aug 15 16:57:18 So this is my last question Aug 15 16:57:24 Then no more bugging people :) Aug 15 16:57:43 So "enyo.Button" ... would you rather it be a single definition... Aug 15 16:57:43 lol Aug 15 16:58:05 But you have to memorize that "caption" -> "setCaption" after it is created ... Aug 15 16:58:12 Or do I create two definitions Aug 15 16:58:23 So "enyo.Button" is perfect for initialization Aug 15 16:58:34 and "enyo.ButtonInstance" is perfect after created Aug 15 16:58:40 so "enyo.Button" has "caption" Aug 15 16:58:50 and "enyo.ButtonInstance" has "setCaption" and "getCaption" Aug 15 16:59:01 lol Aug 15 16:59:54 Once I finish today I'm going to remake "Style Matters" Aug 15 17:00:07 Share that as a sample Aug 15 17:00:31 nice Aug 15 17:00:49 I guess I should go with two objects Aug 15 17:01:02 What you put in and what you get out really are two different things Aug 15 17:01:24 What would be a good convention? Aug 15 17:01:41 "enyo.ButtonKind" and "enyo.Button", or "enyo.Button" and "enyo.ButtonInstance", or...? Aug 15 17:02:07 Oh, maybe the other way around Aug 15 17:02:15 So Button is when you define it... Aug 15 17:02:23 and ButtonKind is after it is instantiated? Aug 15 17:04:53 I guess I have some work to do :) Aug 15 17:05:06 This is going to be sweet once I'm done Aug 15 17:11:05 singmajesty: only published properties get the getter/setter methods automatically Aug 15 17:11:22 so they have to be defined in the "published" block/object to get them Aug 15 17:11:55 and anything else works as a normal property Aug 15 17:12:02 Yeah, so I'm thinking I'll split each kind into two definitions... Aug 15 17:12:16 One would have the published property, like caption, the other would have the getter/setter Aug 15 17:12:26 What do you think would be a good naming convention to distinguish between these two? Aug 15 17:12:35 this is for....code completion? Aug 15 17:12:36 Which one do I call "enyo.Button", and what do I call the other one? Aug 15 17:12:38 Yep Aug 15 17:12:50 For example: Aug 15 17:12:55 var button = new Button (); Aug 15 17:13:03 hmm, I would go with Enyo.Button for the main kind and its normal properties Aug 15 17:13:06 button.ca ---> button.caption Aug 15 17:13:12 So for the definition? Aug 15 17:13:17 What would you call the instance? Aug 15 17:13:27 ButtonKind? ButtonInstance? IButton? Aug 15 17:13:38 ButtonEnyoification....hmmm Aug 15 17:13:44 need to think about that one Aug 15 17:14:55 singmajesty: but why break it into two in the first place? I'm not sure where you're going with it Aug 15 17:15:33 is it just easier to process published properties externally instead of doing some kind of recursive object checking in the completion stuff? Aug 15 17:16:04 Okay Aug 15 17:16:17 First, I'm not writing my own parser for Javascript Aug 15 17:16:34 I'm using Haxe, which does an excellent job of providing completion and generating Javascript code Aug 15 17:16:42 ah Aug 15 17:16:50 okay, I begin to see Aug 15 17:16:50 So earlier I was trying to decide between... Aug 15 17:17:13 A.) A one-size-fits most object, which includes published properties (caption, className, etc) as well as methods (show, hide, etc) Aug 15 17:17:24 So when you initialize, you use the properties, but ignore the methods Aug 15 17:17:44 After it is created, you translated "caption" -> "setCaption" yourself (untyped) and use the methods Aug 15 17:17:46 or.. Aug 15 17:18:06 B.) Two definitions per object, each perfect for definition-time, or after it is created Aug 15 17:18:11 jeez why is knockoutjs not making any sense to me? Aug 15 17:18:38 Right now I have "one-size-fits-most" objects Aug 15 17:19:01 ...but I'm thinking that the two definition approach may be more comfortable, if I can find a naming convention that makes sense Aug 15 17:19:21 ButtonGuts Aug 15 17:19:37 the whole observable thing is weird Aug 15 17:19:42 I could do ButtonDef and Button, or ButtonKind and Button, or Button and ButtonInstance Aug 15 17:19:46 I don't know :) Aug 15 17:21:33 I probably should use "Button" for the definition Aug 15 17:21:46 Because "class MyCustomButton extends Button" feels very comfortable Aug 15 17:23:32 sugardave: ping Aug 15 17:25:15 CTLAdvance: ping Aug 15 17:25:36 pong: ping Aug 15 17:26:25 singmajesty! Aug 15 17:26:53 Yo, yo Aug 15 17:27:12 Just needed some input on my Enyo code completion :) Aug 15 17:27:18 cool :) Aug 15 17:27:29 I wish I could help.. but gotta brb /again/ Aug 15 17:33:12 how often does the flash player on webos get updated? Aug 15 17:33:23 I'm a bit curious about the security of running flash on the device Aug 15 17:33:52 Flash Player only runs in the browser Aug 15 17:33:58 It doesn't run in the application runtime Aug 15 17:37:22 Woot! Chrome doesn't crash my computer anymore Aug 15 17:37:31 Now I can start coding for today Aug 15 17:37:45 singmajesty: I don't understand how that protects anything? Aug 15 17:43:32 Flash Player lives inside of a web-only sandbox Aug 15 17:43:39 It can't touch your applications, or your file system Aug 15 17:44:02 It is only in web pages that load it, but even then, I believe you need to tap it before it appears? (or maybe that is only the phone, I forget) Aug 15 17:44:47 fair enough Aug 15 17:44:54 I've not yet started to break into webos :) Aug 15 17:44:55 singmajesty: on webOS 2, you can configure this Aug 15 17:49:08 that flash player sandbox is dumb. Aug 15 17:49:11 i hate palm for it. Aug 15 17:49:55 I think Adobe doesn't want HP to have Flash working in apps (if you mean this) Aug 15 17:50:06 singmajesty: On the TP you can choose to have it autoload or not. Aug 15 17:50:09 no Aug 15 17:50:14 twbass: same on Pre23 Aug 15 17:50:14 hp doesnt want people just making flash games Aug 15 17:50:33 that's dumb Aug 15 17:52:48 Second Monitor: Chrome open to app for 50% of screen, Spotify 25%, Chrome console 25% Aug 15 17:52:59 Main Monitor: IRC/Code Aug 15 17:53:04 hmm Aug 15 17:53:07 i have irc on the floor Aug 15 17:53:09 second monitor: code Aug 15 17:53:24 main monitor, irc, chat, chrome Aug 15 17:53:28 Dumb question of the day: Does the Touchpad *need* to be wired by USB to do palm-install, or can it be wifi/bluetooth-linked? Aug 15 17:53:36 Shadyman1: wired Aug 15 17:53:40 k Aug 15 17:53:52 just trying to figure out if I should get the touchstone dock or not Aug 15 17:54:18 You can have it plugged in to computer and charging on touchstone at same time Aug 15 17:54:34 (since it doesn't charge well through usb) Aug 15 17:54:58 Nope, it's Adobe Aug 15 17:55:05 good point. Aug 15 17:55:06 HP would love for you to make Flash games :) Aug 15 17:55:19 Though, for now, you can use NME and it's basically the same Aug 15 17:55:24 Except that it performs much faster Aug 15 17:55:43 rwhitby? Aug 15 17:56:06 hey all Aug 15 17:56:28 any reason why someone would need 2 loaners? Aug 15 17:57:06 1 Dev, 1 Personal Aug 15 17:57:18 You have to use a special developer doctor to test in-app items Aug 15 17:57:32 Hmm. At what price would you buy two? One for dev, one for personal? Aug 15 17:57:50 $200 ea Aug 15 17:57:57 * akanster is placing his order. Aug 15 17:58:07 I'm trying to justify 2 but I dunno Aug 15 17:58:07 That's why I may get a 7" TP as a dev if it's under $300 Aug 15 17:58:34 fark it, i'm ordering 2. Aug 15 17:58:38 See what you guys made me do? Aug 15 17:58:39 :p Aug 15 17:58:42 lol Aug 15 17:58:55 That way if/when I break one, I either a) have a spare, or b) have spare parts? Aug 15 17:59:31 HPs don't break. Aug 15 17:59:34 ^ Aug 15 17:59:37 haha Aug 15 17:59:42 Except for all the demo units in the stores :x Aug 15 17:59:56 s/all/some Aug 15 18:00:35 Protip: If your charger isn't charging, make sure the bottom end is screwed in. it has a changeable wall plug Aug 15 18:00:47 it turns 1/4 turn and pops off Aug 15 18:00:52 yup Aug 15 18:01:01 Adora: PUSH NOMNOMNOM THROUGH :) Aug 15 18:01:03 please :) Aug 15 18:01:45 Shadyman1: Yeah, I saw that when I first got mine. The bottom was off in the box. Aug 15 18:01:53 Afternoon Aug 15 18:02:03 CTLAdvance: get the PM's? Aug 15 18:02:34 How useful is the bluetooth keyboard? I mean, you've got synergy-server for keyboard/mouse, no? Aug 15 18:05:23 Yes Aug 15 18:05:27 I will respond shortly Aug 15 18:05:36 ok thanks Aug 15 18:05:45 I have just gotten phone gap working again on touchpad Aug 15 18:05:54 cool :) Aug 15 18:05:56 then I had a meeting Aug 15 18:06:10 ah Aug 15 18:06:25 I am clueless as to why they used a make file for the webos piece, as a bat file would have worked better for windows. Aug 15 18:06:34 PatrickC: report a documentation bug in the forums Aug 15 18:06:36 Must be that they dont see much interest in phonegap for webos yet Aug 15 18:06:55 I agree -- the makefile is a huge bummer Aug 15 18:06:59 sugardave: ok. I'll do that later Aug 15 18:06:59 and the make file just worked for eveything else Aug 15 18:07:06 singmajesty: what's goin on man? Aug 15 18:07:13 meh Aug 15 18:07:23 sugardave: don't need it anymore anyway Aug 15 18:07:23 but basically you just need to compile the master phonegap js file then you dont need the make file Aug 15 18:07:27 CTLAdvance, anyone can helpw ith phonegap Aug 15 18:07:40 so they could have precompiled the master js file, or they could have written a bat file to do it Aug 15 18:07:50 PatrickC: Just been working with NME for Flash-like games and applications... Aug 15 18:07:57 ... and code completion for Enyo Aug 15 18:07:59 awesome! Aug 15 18:08:07 I'm starting pdk development soon Aug 15 18:08:10 matbee what do you mean Aug 15 18:08:25 CTLAdvance, make the batch file for them. Aug 15 18:08:25 making a much-needed game on webOS ;) Aug 15 18:08:49 AH I know it, I thought about it but once I looked at their make file and saw what it did it didnt make much sense Aug 15 18:08:51 ;) Aug 15 18:08:53 Heh. Aug 15 18:09:10 HPShopping.ca: "We are currently experiencing higher-than-normal call volumes" Aug 15 18:09:18 Just need to run the make file once, then just use cmd and the palm tools Aug 15 18:09:32 CTLAdvance: is it really that easy? Aug 15 18:09:33 wow Aug 15 18:09:33 did they discount the devices again Aug 15 18:09:37 yes Aug 15 18:09:40 I'll have to look into it Aug 15 18:09:43 you just need the master js file Aug 15 18:09:43 is the webOS Inspector gone in webOS 3? Aug 15 18:09:52 hey pc-world Aug 15 18:09:55 and the remaining stuff in the framework dir and just palm-package it Aug 15 18:10:04 hi PatrickC Aug 15 18:10:08 awesome Aug 15 18:10:27 pc-world: how's the app comin? Aug 15 18:10:33 I've been using it a lot :) Aug 15 18:10:49 I've been in holiday (in France) for the past two weeks Aug 15 18:10:52 seems almost, /almost/ bug free enough for a catalog laun.ch Aug 15 18:10:55 launch* Aug 15 18:10:55 came to Germany yesterday Aug 15 18:10:55 ah Aug 15 18:11:00 They entire cygwin piece could have been avoided :-( and I think it needs to be told to more people that its not Aug 15 18:11:11 will start continuing with programming tomorrow Aug 15 18:11:25 cool Aug 15 18:11:28 PatrickC: any bugs I should know about that I don't know yet? Aug 15 18:12:13 pc-world: I haven't tried a whole-folder upload in a while Aug 15 18:12:17 that used to not work Aug 15 18:12:35 not sure if it works.. I'll check and report back Aug 15 18:12:43 yeah that would be nice Aug 15 18:13:45 folder upload was invented in the last beta release Aug 15 18:14:07 cool Aug 15 18:17:05 * PatrickC <3 pc-world's app :) Aug 15 18:19:02 * Shadyman hums along to hold music Aug 15 18:20:39 patrickc what app? Aug 15 18:20:57 jaf0: you'll have to ask him Aug 15 18:21:06 I've been instructed not to say :/ Aug 15 18:21:34 (its awesome though) :) Aug 15 18:21:39 pc-world: what app? :) Aug 15 18:22:25 ohno Aug 15 18:22:27 netsplit Aug 15 18:22:31 lol Aug 15 18:22:35 minisplit! Aug 15 18:22:49 miniminisplit Aug 15 18:26:07 FYI Aug 15 18:26:08 Free movie! Today only, check in on foursquare at any redbox kiosk at a Walgreens for a free one-day DVD rental! http://bit.ly/qdRsgr Aug 15 18:27:17 dawm: spammmer Aug 15 18:27:30 tib!!! Aug 15 18:27:30 just passing it along, tool Aug 15 18:27:59 dawm: I was just kidding, utensil Aug 15 18:28:04 jaf0: hmm? Aug 15 18:28:09 sup sup sup. Aug 15 18:28:13 howdy! Aug 15 18:28:13 apple Aug 15 18:28:31 steve. Aug 15 18:32:59 hey guys, I have a quick question: what are the launch parameters for posting to the Enyo facebook app? Aug 15 18:35:26 rsanchez1: just lookat the code, that would give you the answer real quick Aug 15 18:48:16 after digging around, I couldn't find any reasonable examples of building apps in python/ruby/etc :( Aug 15 18:48:24 just a boatload of javascript and html :( Aug 15 18:49:09 I don't it's easy to build GUI-apps with your mentioned scripting languages Aug 15 18:49:14 webOS is a web(kit)-based OS Aug 15 18:53:27 heh this is interesting Aug 15 18:53:28 http://improve.dk/archive/2007/09/29/compiling-java-in-visual-studio.aspx Aug 15 18:54:05 it didn't give me the answer real quick, but it was buried in there Aug 15 18:56:40 pc-world: I failed to parse your first sentence Aug 15 18:57:42 oh sry I forgot it seems I have accidentally removed a few words :D Aug 15 18:58:12 err no - what do you mean? Aug 15 18:58:27 sorry I am confused :D Aug 15 18:58:30 there's a verb missing :P Aug 15 18:58:36 I meant I don't *think* it's easy Aug 15 18:58:41 there we go Aug 15 18:58:50 lol sorry :D Aug 15 18:59:12 in the webos-internals git repo, there's a few built Qt executables (but no source) Aug 15 18:59:34 yeah I think someone ported Qt to webOS Aug 15 18:59:40 you find it in Preware Aug 15 18:59:45 with some example apps Aug 15 19:01:39 I suppose I could just write all SDL apps... with C...and some crappy SDL widget sets :/ Aug 15 19:01:50 yes you could Aug 15 19:02:00 but why not Mojo or Enyo? Aug 15 19:02:48 I'm not a fan of JavaScript to be honest, I love Python and Ruby though ;) Aug 15 19:03:25 Nooooo! Blue screen #5 of today... I thought I fixed it :-( Aug 15 19:03:26 ooof, http://sdl-im.csie.net/paragui.html Aug 15 19:03:28 if you're bored, you could make a bridge between Java/JS :D Aug 15 19:03:41 pc-world: alright, Java might be the one thing I hate more than JS ;) Aug 15 19:03:51 I'd love programming in Java, at least for some parts of my apps Aug 15 19:03:52 I didn't think there was a JRE on the device though Aug 15 19:04:01 why? Aug 15 19:04:05 I think Java is great Aug 15 19:04:17 1.4.5 had a JRE, you could grab that one Aug 15 19:05:29 I could tolerate Qt, ideally though, Python or Ruby would make my heart swell xD Aug 15 19:06:13 then be the first to write a bridge between JS and Ruby/Python :) Aug 15 19:06:21 should be possible with a plugin Aug 15 19:06:50 plugin is the C underpinning yes? Aug 15 19:07:06 yeah Aug 15 19:07:36 and a C(++) plugin can communicate with the JS side of an app Aug 15 19:10:44 who here would be interested in a 'clear card' app for touchpad Aug 15 19:11:20 fxspec06_: like 'pane free'? Aug 15 19:11:54 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps/228660-clear-card-keep-your-wallpaper-visible-your-apps-open.html Aug 15 19:12:02 the JRE was removed for performance reasons I believe Aug 15 19:12:06 you don't have a touchpad PatrickC Aug 15 19:12:09 c would be the way to go anyway Aug 15 19:12:16 or c++ Aug 15 19:12:24 fxspec06_: I will soon Aug 15 19:13:31 Let's hope chrome doesn't crash my computer when I open it this time. *crosses fingerS* Aug 15 19:15:34 UGH! stupid program Aug 15 19:18:45 Hey Chuqui Aug 15 19:19:23 CTLAdvance: yo Aug 15 19:20:32 Hows it going Aug 15 19:50:31 Google's paying $2.5b if the aquisition falls through Aug 15 19:50:35 interesting Aug 15 19:52:31 ugh.. this iso takes forever to dl Aug 15 19:53:06 VS is a beast Aug 15 19:53:14 yeah... Aug 15 19:53:21 http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/B/5/8B5804AD-4990-40D0-A6AA-CE894CBBB3DC/VS2008ExpressENUX1397868.iso Aug 15 19:53:49 I have 2010 (or 2011?) Ultimate on my comp Aug 15 19:54:00 nope, it's 2010 Aug 15 19:54:01 * PatrickC could have 2010 pro Aug 15 19:54:10 buuut Aug 15 19:54:15 My university gives us free MS software since we use it for class Aug 15 19:54:16 it won't run on my desktop Aug 15 19:54:29 so did my dads Aug 15 19:54:32 MSDNA? Aug 15 19:54:36 * twbbas got Win7 for free Aug 15 19:54:38 Yes Aug 15 19:54:45 same here Aug 15 19:54:47 its amazing Aug 15 19:54:50 Yep Aug 15 19:54:55 is it VS 2010 ult? Aug 15 19:54:59 Ya Aug 15 19:55:01 I thought it was pro Aug 15 19:55:05 awesome Aug 15 19:55:08 I don't think I got it from MSDNA though Aug 15 19:55:14 ah Aug 15 19:55:27 I think I *could* have gotten 2010 Pro but I already had 2010 Ultimate Aug 15 19:55:41 yeah, I thought it was pro Aug 15 19:55:45 I miss debugging in VS Aug 15 19:56:01 but, I'm happy with 2008 express :) Aug 15 19:56:27 * PatrickC kicks computer Aug 15 19:56:31 stupid installer Aug 15 19:59:52 CTLAdvance: I could tolerate C with a good widget set :) Aug 15 20:05:10 phone decided it needed a restart Aug 15 20:05:14 full.. not luna Aug 15 20:05:25 lol Aug 15 20:05:49 and! I was in the middle of dl'ing the iso! Aug 15 20:06:02 308 mb downloaded at least Aug 15 20:06:09 onto a phone.... Aug 15 20:06:13 yep Aug 15 20:06:14 ohmigosh hiccups Aug 15 20:07:19 halfhalo-work: my phone is my computer Aug 15 20:09:26 you should write a blog post on how you live on your phone Aug 15 20:09:35 lol Aug 15 20:10:02 yeah Aug 15 20:10:03 My father locks me in my basement with a phone and my computer, and blocks the pc from the web. I live my life from a pre2 Aug 15 20:10:15 and I make apps Aug 15 20:10:18 lol Aug 15 20:10:24 little does he know I can still watch pron from my pre2 Aug 15 20:10:24 and I don't even know if/else Aug 15 20:10:28 ;) Aug 15 20:10:40 CTLAdvance: ... Aug 15 20:10:41 lol Aug 15 20:10:46 :D Aug 15 20:10:51 pron lol Aug 15 20:11:13 where's that darn dkirker Aug 15 20:14:51 hey there's that darn sugardave Aug 15 20:15:25 hmmmmmm, that's lame. instapaper requires you to save the user's password and send it up for every request Aug 15 20:15:26 hrm. Aug 15 20:18:01 lame Aug 15 20:18:56 and same with read-it-laster Aug 15 20:21:05 bizspark looks cool Aug 15 20:22:50 oh well, guess I have to store user's passwords Aug 15 20:22:54 lamesauce Aug 15 20:29:04 I hate microsoft Aug 15 20:34:50 lol Aug 15 20:36:46 they fail.. big Aug 15 20:40:51 only 696 mb to go :'( Aug 15 20:40:52 bbl Aug 15 20:57:06 you hate ms for your inability to have a pc on a wifi network? Aug 15 20:57:10 really? Aug 15 20:58:30 lol Aug 15 21:01:25 CTLAdvance: I hate them because I was signing up for BizSpark and it kicked me out of the signup Aug 15 21:01:28 I was almost done Aug 15 21:04:30 agh Aug 15 21:05:19 what? Aug 15 21:05:28 VS 2010 almost done dl'ing! :D Aug 15 21:08:31 I'm tailgating in the WOR live podcast chat Aug 15 21:08:34 come join me Aug 15 21:09:23 sheesh Aug 15 21:09:36 lol Aug 15 21:09:51 that's me Aug 15 21:10:03 twbbas: link Aug 15 21:10:12 PatrickC: you know how to google Aug 15 21:10:20 or where webosroundup.com is Aug 15 21:10:42 http://www.webosroundup.com/webosradio-live/ Aug 15 21:10:45 back in my day, we had to google everything for ourselves. uphill. both ways. in the snow. Aug 15 21:11:00 back in my day we had ask jeeves Aug 15 21:11:12 pssh. AltaVista all the way Aug 15 21:11:16 only for pics Aug 15 21:11:21 lol Aug 15 21:11:33 at my elementary school we had to use "Yahooligans" Aug 15 21:11:44 It was a kid-friendly search engine lol Aug 15 21:11:54 lol Aug 15 21:12:32 lol: http://www.tootsie.com/comp_faq.php Aug 15 21:12:47 "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?" "It depends on a variety of factors such as the size of your mouth, the amount of saliva, etc. Basically, the world may never know." Aug 15 21:13:31 "We produce 64 million Tootsie Rolls a day." Aug 15 21:13:35 O.O Aug 15 21:15:19 ok the grill is going Aug 15 21:23:49 Anyone know where/how one reports a bug for Webos 2.1? Aug 15 21:24:07 dev forums iirc Aug 15 21:24:34 But... sure, for devs. But what about users? Aug 15 21:24:43 no clue Aug 15 21:24:49 That is odd. Aug 15 21:24:57 Adora_ or sugardave would probably know Aug 15 21:25:43 Today I discovered this really silly bug in photo handling. Basically it stops working when you hit the 100th pic. Aug 15 21:25:54 File naming issue probably, quite silly. Aug 15 21:26:04 gokr: there is a webpage for issues Aug 15 21:26:12 dunno what it is, but there is one for Aug 15 21:26:13 Ah, url? Aug 15 21:26:16 Aha. Aug 15 21:26:16 everyone Aug 15 21:26:19 just a webpage form Aug 15 21:26:56 How do I reference the media/internal/ folder for file path? ../media/internal/? Aug 15 21:27:09 "media/internal" Aug 15 21:27:20 I think Aug 15 21:27:26 But won't the try to go to the media/internal folder in my app directory? Aug 15 21:27:36 could be "/media/internal" Aug 15 21:27:41 lemme see Aug 15 21:28:04 yeah "/media/internal/ Aug 15 21:28:21 ok thanks Aug 15 21:28:57 wow Aug 15 21:29:03 the iso just finished dl'ing Aug 15 21:29:06 and errored... Aug 15 21:29:09 LOL Aug 15 21:29:12 hah Aug 15 21:29:21 that's pretty funny Aug 15 21:29:40 :/ Aug 15 21:29:49 only 700 mb to go till its done /again/ Aug 15 21:29:57 you dl'ing on cell data? Aug 15 21:29:59 or wifi Aug 15 21:30:15 wifi Aug 15 21:30:18 haha Aug 15 21:30:29 1.5GB cell data for 1 file :P Aug 15 21:30:32 If you had halfhalo's net then it'd be done in less than 3 seconds Aug 15 21:30:42 :'( Aug 15 21:30:48 I have 3mbp/s dl Aug 15 21:30:49 If you had my net, it'd be done tomorrow Aug 15 21:30:58 whats your speed? Aug 15 21:31:12 * halfhalo-work has 30 at home. 100ish at regular work Aug 15 21:31:18 Let me pull up my speedtest from last week Aug 15 21:31:44 * NuttyBunny downloaded 10Gb of data over cell, Telcel now killed my service ;) turns out there's a limit of 10Gb per month.. bah Aug 15 21:32:05 lol Aug 15 21:32:08 PatrickC: http://speedtest.net/result/1427067060.png Aug 15 21:32:23 does mojo.app path still work in 3.0 apps?? Aug 15 21:32:58 there's no mojo, so I doubt it Aug 15 21:33:13 oh. you mean in "emulation" mode Aug 15 21:33:15 Hellou. Aug 15 21:33:17 umm, I dunno Aug 15 21:33:30 nope Aug 15 21:33:34 I dont think it does Aug 15 21:33:44 and not in emulation mode Aug 15 21:33:53 then when? Aug 15 21:33:56 full screen? Aug 15 21:36:02 twbbas: ouch Aug 15 21:36:05 NuttyBunny: haha Aug 15 21:36:25 ya it takes about an hr to upload my app Aug 15 21:36:43 when I first submitted it, I uploaded it and then it had an error Aug 15 21:36:48 it was like 3am too Aug 15 21:37:33 sugardave: did the ga trick end up working out? Aug 15 21:38:15 ok so phonegap 1.0 is a giant hodge podge of mojo and not mojo Aug 15 21:38:24 but its very easy to make work on enyo Aug 15 21:39:08 PatrickC: you know what the funniest part is? that our company is working right now for Telcel (in fact, I'm in charge of the wifi network on their new building) :( Aug 15 21:39:09 :) Aug 15 21:39:10 the veer doesnt support enyo out of the box does it Aug 15 21:39:48 ? Aug 15 21:39:52 no Aug 15 21:40:47 ok thanks Aug 15 21:43:02 CTLAdvance: you can put the enyo libraries on your veer if you don't have a TP and test there with several degrees of success... Aug 15 21:43:49 yeah you can include enyo like any other javascript file Aug 15 21:44:00 so to understand this Aug 15 21:44:22 all we are doing now is building an encapsulated web page with an available device api Aug 15 21:44:28 there isnt a clear sdk anymore? Aug 15 21:44:36 as apposed to mojo Aug 15 21:44:42 which really is the same thing I guess Aug 15 21:44:51 disregard Aug 15 21:47:22 now you understand why they named it what they did. Aug 15 21:50:21 this stupid site uses drag-and-drop for some aspects of its interface Aug 15 21:50:30 how in the bloody hell does one drag and drop in the webos browser o_O Aug 15 21:51:09 they use it to go to amazon to buy a laptop Aug 15 21:51:28 yeah that doesn't work very well on touch screens at all Aug 15 21:51:30 because drag and drop does not work well on touchscreens Aug 15 21:51:32 ever. Aug 15 21:51:34 heh Aug 15 21:52:20 I feel like multitouch could make it at least mildly functional Aug 15 21:53:20 heh. jslint doesn't like this code Aug 15 21:54:02 well jslint.... suck it. Aug 15 21:54:06 I understood before, for some rea Aug 15 21:54:18 some reason I was thinking of something else Aug 15 21:54:34 yeah, re-ordering apps by draggin and dropping is totally unintuitive Aug 15 21:54:56 you almost need to have a mouse hooked up for it Aug 15 21:54:59 s/ Aug 15 21:57:58 hmmm, does the TP have USB host capabilities? Aug 15 21:58:11 rtyler, nah Aug 15 21:58:16 oh bummer Aug 15 21:58:23 or goes it..... Aug 15 22:26:40 TP app cat update Aug 15 22:26:44 can view fullscreen screenshots now Aug 15 22:27:24 sweet! Aug 15 22:33:20 twbbas: yay Aug 15 22:40:49 btw... twbbas: http://www.speedtests.net/result/327502.png Aug 15 22:46:00 twbbas: i see no update... i want fullscreen screenshots :( Aug 15 22:46:57 NuttyBunny: nice speeds Aug 15 22:47:02 * PatrickC ducks Aug 15 22:48:25 NuttyBunny: just read about the Telcel thing. hahaha Aug 15 22:49:16 PatrickC: hehehe.. Aug 15 22:50:31 hey #webos, question Aug 15 22:50:53 cwayne: answer Aug 15 22:50:53 yes #cwayne Aug 15 22:51:12 anyone had a problem connecting a touchpad to a hotel network? Aug 15 22:51:19 with the error: ip configuration failed? Aug 15 22:51:43 I had that error on my pre2 on a hotel wifi network once Aug 15 22:51:49 it was a network issue Aug 15 22:52:13 CTLAdvance: vs is almost done.. forreal this time! :D Aug 15 22:52:17 and they brought in a guy who fixed it Aug 15 22:52:25 FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Aug 15 22:54:05 yeah it was a pain. couldn't do any coding in the uk Aug 15 22:54:38 goddamn fucking uk Aug 15 22:54:41 my laptop works... Aug 15 22:54:53 oh really? Aug 15 22:55:01 I think my laptop didn't work either Aug 15 22:55:16 or for anyone else at the hotel Aug 15 22:57:16 /win27 Aug 15 22:57:19 whoopsies Aug 15 22:59:42 PatrickC: what is the telcel thing? Aug 15 23:00:12 LoneStar99: PatrickC: you know what the funniest part is? that our company is working right now for Telcel (in fact, I'm in charge of the wifi network on their new building) :( Aug 15 23:00:16 Popple3: ping! Aug 15 23:00:43 oh ok Aug 15 23:01:50 LoneStar99: it was about how they (Telcel) canceled NuttyBunny's contract for his data usage Aug 15 23:04:40 really sucks that my ipad can connect and my touchpad can't Aug 15 23:04:56 :/ Aug 15 23:05:48 in fact it's fucking horseshit Aug 15 23:06:23 tell the hotel that their wifi is screwed up Aug 15 23:06:37 not the wifi that's scewed up pal Aug 15 23:06:54 if my linux laptop and ios tablet can connect, no reason the touchpad can't Aug 15 23:07:00 weird Aug 15 23:07:05 no valid reason at least Aug 15 23:08:09 too many leases? Aug 15 23:08:22 nope Aug 15 23:08:27 tried the touchpad first Aug 15 23:08:29 do they have a limit on the access key? simultaneous devices? Aug 15 23:08:30 ah. Aug 15 23:08:35 reboot? Aug 15 23:09:14 tried Aug 15 23:09:36 no access key, open wifi Aug 15 23:16:18 Tibfib Aug 15 23:16:41 akanster: hey Aug 15 23:16:47 pm? Aug 15 23:17:23 go for it Aug 15 23:17:51 * cwayne considers taking the touchpad back Aug 15 23:18:04 aww Aug 15 23:18:42 Tibfib: would you know if the toolbar icons in Spaz are part of Enyo? Aug 15 23:19:52 i think tib made them, actually. Aug 15 23:20:26 PatrickC: well if its not gonna work when I travel, what's the point of having it? Aug 15 23:20:29 cwayne: wifi the pre, freetether, then wifi to the pre. Aug 15 23:20:38 had no problems with mine. Aug 15 23:21:45 jaf0: I appreciate the help, but for $500 I shouldn't have to do that. Aug 15 23:22:04 * jaf0 was attempting to be a smartass. Aug 15 23:22:08 err, a$$ Aug 15 23:23:01 hah Aug 15 23:23:06 this is fucking bullshit. Aug 15 23:23:12 HEY BUY THIS TABLET Aug 15 23:23:23 o sorry It doesn't connect to internets. Aug 15 23:24:52 rtyler: source for the Qt executables is in build/cross-compile.git Aug 15 23:25:51 cwayne: take it back, please. Aug 15 23:26:13 rwhitby: oh? Aug 15 23:27:38 Spanska: most are taken from Enyo, yes Aug 15 23:27:44 see the source code Aug 15 23:28:03 cwayne: yeah, if you're not happy with it, take it back. Aug 15 23:28:42 we can do without the language in the channel, so it's best you take it back Aug 15 23:28:45 funkatron: that's where I was looking but couldn't find the home icon, settings icon, or the same refresh but they look so the same as the ones with Enyo I was wondering ;) Aug 15 23:29:44 hah, thanks rwhitby Aug 15 23:30:21 Spanska: if it's not in the repo, we are linking to it from Enyo Aug 15 23:30:24 cwayne: buy an iPad instead. those connect to the internets without any problems. Aug 15 23:30:56 fwiw, I've had slightly weird wifi issues a bit with the touchpad, but haven't yet found a place where I just couldn't connect Aug 15 23:31:04 but stuff happens Aug 15 23:31:04 rwhitby: unfortunately you're right about that. in fact, so did the xoom. Aug 15 23:31:23 funkatron: you should buy an iPad too. port Spaz to it and make a fortue. Aug 15 23:31:27 fortune Aug 15 23:31:44 haha Aug 15 23:31:55 Spaz is totally awesome Aug 15 23:32:12 imagine how much awesomer it would be on a tablet with working wifi? Aug 15 23:32:14 rwhitby: The Big Bucks Aug 15 23:32:29 100 times more revenue Aug 15 23:32:31 hah Aug 15 23:32:45 funkatron: I'll take a 50% cut for giving you the idea. Aug 15 23:33:55 that's the GPL cut Aug 15 23:34:33 I had weird issues with my TP too Aug 15 23:34:40 funkatron: I'd be more understanding if my laptop, one colleagues ipad, and anothers xoom didn't all connect with no issues in the same room :(, when I was trying to say webos was better than android :( Aug 15 23:34:53 I had to doctor it almost a few hours after I bought it, Skype wouldn't connect, weird thing Aug 15 23:35:09 cwayne: no, it's the touchpad. don't buy it. Aug 15 23:35:17 rwhitby: shut up. Aug 15 23:35:20 cwayne: I understand the frustration. nevertheless, next to impossible to tell what the issue is without getting super in-depth Aug 15 23:35:32 likely a fluke. Aug 15 23:35:46 funkatron: understood. still suuuper-frustrating. made me look like an ass for sure Aug 15 23:36:36 well, this is the reason I don't ever advocate a technology as "better." Rather, "may meet your needs more closely" Aug 15 23:36:48 stuff breaks. it happens Aug 15 23:37:16 funkatron, re: pm Aug 15 23:37:23 funkatron: I never even say that. "make your own decision" is my mantra. Aug 15 23:37:47 rwhitby: sure. Aug 15 23:38:31 if a product isn't compelling enough for someone to see the benefits for themselves, then they shouldn't buy it. Aug 15 23:38:47 funkatron: aye, im inclined to agree, but when its something as simple as connecting to wifi, there's somethin off Aug 15 23:39:17 rwhitby: it's plenty compelling for me to buy it, until I travel with it and intend to use it and it can't connect to the same wifi that everyone else can Aug 15 23:39:18 cwayne: agreed. but I mean, I've had solid products that hit roadblocks here and there. Personally, TP seems pretty solid to me in that regard Aug 15 23:39:42 cwayne: sounds like a dealbreaker to me Aug 15 23:39:45 rwhitby: eh, sometimes. often folks might want to hear highlights that may be of interest to them Aug 15 23:40:12 cwayne: if it consistently did that, I'd take the thing back Aug 15 23:40:35 personally I've only taken it to Portland OR for OSBridge, and had no issues with my hotel's wifi or elsewhere Aug 15 23:41:04 I've had way more problems with bad webkit/browser issues on complex sites than with the wifi 8D Aug 15 23:41:33 funkatron: I'd truly love to give it another chance, but I only have a *very* limited time to bring it back, and for $500, I simply can't justify spending it if it doesn't work abroad :( Aug 15 23:41:48 I'd take it back dude Aug 15 23:42:15 and I'm not even trying to be a jerk about it. if you need something that's for sure widely compatible, the best tablet choice is an ipad Aug 15 23:42:31 I think I have to :( but I reallly like webos and hate apple :( Aug 15 23:42:59 * cwayne thought maybe it was some weird linux thing, but my ubuntu lappy and friends xoom worked Aug 15 23:43:04 eh. loyalty to a company or technology usually leads to disappointment Aug 15 23:43:20 cwayne: there are way, way, way more variables at work there than "it's linux" 8D Aug 15 23:43:41 funkatron: haha oh im sure, but it was an initial thought for sure Aug 15 23:43:47 cwayne: it could also be a hardware issue on that specific touchpad Aug 15 23:44:03 yeah, could just be a bum unit! Aug 15 23:44:11 works on other wifis though Aug 15 23:44:16 still… Aug 15 23:44:18 it happens Aug 15 23:44:35 seems less likely, but yeah Aug 15 23:44:51 I had issues with the TP on my local 802.11N network. great on G tho Aug 15 23:45:24 I just switched my main router tho, so I should try it again Aug 15 23:45:37 I had a lot of trouble with wifi on 3.0.0. Much better with 3.0.2 Aug 15 23:46:49 yeah, I haven't tried much since 3.0.2, so that might fix up the N stuff Aug 15 23:46:52 so far working well Aug 15 23:47:12 3.0.2 here, still issues Aug 15 23:53:41 cwayne: what sorts of issues do you have? Aug 15 23:54:32 Spanska: 'IP Configuration failed' on wifi Aug 15 23:55:18 cwayne: did you reboot? Aug 15 23:55:35 haeffb: couple times, yea Aug 15 23:56:10 and forget the network? Aug 15 23:58:16 haeffb: yep Aug 16 00:04:44 * cwayne is really confused as to how the tp wifi fails, but pre2 works Aug 16 00:04:55 really odd Aug 16 00:05:22 verifying the dvd.. and my visual studio should be ready Aug 16 00:05:25 :D Aug 16 00:06:39 * cwayne has never been this mad Aug 16 00:07:18 PatrickC: Got it to DL then? Aug 16 00:07:23 cwayne: call palm and have them send you another unit Aug 16 00:07:25 twbbas: yeah Aug 16 00:07:49 twbbas: figured I would just make a dvd of it lol Aug 16 00:11:44 anyone use Visual Web Developer? Aug 16 00:12:01 PatrickC: just learn javascript. it's not that hard Aug 16 00:12:12 Tibfib: I am Aug 16 00:12:28 tools that help are good too Aug 16 00:19:28 ALRIGHT FUNKATRON Aug 16 00:19:41 lol Aug 16 00:20:45 wow Aug 16 00:20:51 peer pressure Aug 16 00:21:05 STOP FUNKATRON Aug 16 00:23:22 woo someone else is tailgaiting with me in WOR live podcast chat Aug 16 00:24:00 funkatron: Don't give into peer pressure Aug 16 00:24:10 it spams our timelines Aug 16 00:25:02 must be having some network troubles Aug 16 00:31:15 having issues, ed? Aug 16 00:31:34 funkatron: stop Aug 16 00:31:36 "comcast". =P Aug 16 00:31:37 don't connect Aug 16 00:31:38 apparently his internet is worse than mine Aug 16 00:31:39 again Aug 16 00:31:43 lol Aug 16 00:31:43 PatrickC: obviously he is afk Aug 16 00:31:52 or running winblows. Aug 16 00:31:53 Tibfib: I found that out Aug 16 00:31:57 lol Aug 16 00:32:10 on an SSD. fast reboot ;) Aug 16 00:33:13 * PatrickC wonders why visual web developer uses VB/VC# Aug 16 00:33:27 * Tibfib wonders why PatrickC is using visual web developer Aug 16 00:34:05 Tibfib: just looking Aug 16 00:34:37 it won't teach you if/else statements... Aug 16 00:36:33 Tibfib: C++ will Aug 16 00:36:45 and I have VS C++ on the dvd as well Aug 16 00:38:49 you do not understand programming well enough to actually attempt c++. Aug 16 00:42:52 rwhitby: thanks! Aug 16 00:43:53 * Shadyman reels funkatron in with a fishing pole. Aug 16 00:45:52 so I was driving home today Aug 16 00:46:02 and a bee flew into the door frame Aug 16 00:46:17 and knocked itself out, and it landed on my leg Aug 16 00:46:29 at first i was all "omgwtfbeeisonme!" Aug 16 00:46:49 flicked it from my leg out the passenger window Aug 16 00:46:53 continued driving home Aug 16 00:46:59 shoulda kept it as a pet Aug 16 00:47:04 f that Aug 16 00:47:13 tie floss to it Aug 16 00:47:16 like a leash Aug 16 00:47:21 that only works in cartoons Aug 16 00:47:24 no! Aug 16 00:47:28 oil: coulda talked to you Aug 16 00:47:30 I saw video Aug 16 00:47:32 been your best friend Aug 16 00:47:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuYfVsT32kM Aug 16 00:47:53 Bee on string! Aug 16 00:48:09 erggg I want nomnomnom to be approved Aug 16 00:48:28 Tibfib: If it makes you feel any better, no new apps were in the cat today Aug 16 00:48:36 that it does Aug 16 00:48:59 ugh, shenanigans everywhere Aug 16 00:49:05 perhaps they were waiting because of the app catalog update today Aug 16 00:50:33 or they're waiting to approve nomnomnom Aug 16 00:50:52 "no apps must be approved until nomnomnom gets through" Aug 16 00:51:13 funkatron: I think your connection is brokened Aug 16 00:51:16 heh Aug 16 00:51:18 yeah that is more likely Aug 16 00:51:19 oh comcast Aug 16 00:51:23 nah his connection is fine Aug 16 00:51:25 he's just trolling us Aug 16 00:51:32 * Tibfib might tweet funkatron Aug 16 00:51:42 let's all mass tweet him at the same time Aug 16 00:56:25 oh, now im doing it Aug 16 00:56:38 lol Aug 16 00:56:55 oil: you went out on a netsplit Aug 16 00:57:01 must be contagious Aug 16 00:57:01 not reset connection Aug 16 00:57:04 I guess I did too Aug 16 00:57:10 they shut off the server Aug 16 00:57:12 I don't think I did Aug 16 00:57:42 * PatrickC added his first webos dev friend on facebook today :) Aug 16 00:57:44 "@funkatron The community in #webos would like to kindly invite you to fix your connection, or leave. Yours truly, #webos" Aug 16 00:57:55 haha Aug 16 00:58:20 see Aug 16 00:58:24 irc and twitter dontmix Aug 16 00:58:54 people will think you want funkatron to leave webos Aug 16 00:59:05 because they dont know that # + webos = this channel Aug 16 00:59:44 oh poop Aug 16 01:00:20 * PatrickC replied to it Aug 16 01:00:35 or maybe the "fix your connection" bit will make it make sense? Aug 16 01:01:30 PatrickC: GET OFF MY TWEETS Aug 16 01:01:52 Tibfib: THEY ARE IN MY TIMELINE Aug 16 01:02:02 your fault, not mine Aug 16 01:02:24 Enyo isn't really easy Aug 16 01:02:40 Spanska: easier then mojo Aug 16 01:03:14 I find it harder than mojo actually Aug 16 01:03:49 * rwhitby suggests folks just turn off join and leave events in IRC Aug 16 01:04:45 rwhitby: I like to know though Aug 16 01:04:54 same here Aug 16 01:05:07 will /ignore fix this? Aug 16 01:05:13 do you really need to know when they join, or do you just need to know if they are there when you want to speak with them? Aug 16 01:05:26 tab completion does the latter fine .... Aug 16 01:05:34 rwhitby: these are wants, not needs :) Aug 16 01:05:49 oftentimes someone joining reminds me of something Aug 16 01:05:58 I need to tell them Aug 16 01:06:30 well, you need to accept the reality of unstable internet connections that are beyond the control of the user then Aug 16 01:06:32 well, I'll try /ignore Aug 16 01:07:06 rwhitby: haha, I have accepted it and no hard feelings against funkatron or anyone else for them Aug 16 01:07:22 DANGIT I TYPO SOOO MUCH Aug 16 01:07:30 s/and no/and have no/ Aug 16 01:07:41 * Hendikins fiddles with xev and xmodmap Aug 16 01:08:39 Hendikins: x-server stuff? Aug 16 01:10:01 PatrickC: nx client stuff Aug 16 01:16:20 rwhitby: is it feasible to ship a Qt app through the app catalog? Aug 16 01:17:42 twbbas: you still in the wor podcast thing? Aug 16 01:17:47 I'm gonna join in a bit Aug 16 01:17:57 has it started? Aug 16 01:18:14 yes Aug 16 01:18:15 I believe Aug 16 01:19:25 AD ATTACK Aug 16 01:19:37 PatrickC: Yeah. I've been in there since 5PM Aug 16 01:22:15 PatrickC: The issue I have using an NX client is that no keycode is sent to the NX server when I use the shift key on the virtual keyboard. Aug 16 01:22:44 But it looks like I've got a workaround for that. Aug 16 01:24:06 eh, I'm pretty picky on my podcasts Aug 16 01:24:09 I get bored easy Aug 16 01:24:37 having the audio coming from separate streams isn't good Aug 16 01:24:39 rtyler: should be feasible, if statically linked Aug 16 01:24:43 I've had trouble getting through webosroundup and precentral.net, even if they're talking about my apps >.< Aug 16 01:24:54 exciting Aug 16 01:24:59 My internet is so slow that the video streams are bumping into each other Aug 16 01:25:03 =\ Aug 16 01:25:03 I could totally get into building Qt apps :) Aug 16 01:25:18 I'd double check with Ben Combee first though. Aug 16 01:25:33 twbbas: yeah, am seeing that a little Aug 16 01:26:40 * Hendikins finds it interesting that the key for hiding the virtual keyboard (which doesn't get hidden when running the X server) does send a keycode to the NX server, and attempts to bind that to right shift. Aug 16 01:27:13 I have an VFlexBox with two tool buttons. How can I align them to the top? They are aligned in the middle of the toolbar right now Aug 16 01:27:38 {button}, {button}, {kind: enyo.Spacer} Aug 16 01:27:48 I'll try it again Aug 16 01:27:53 paste if it doesn't work Aug 16 01:28:21 yeah it does nothing Aug 16 01:29:50 {kind: enyo.Spacer, flex: 1} ? Aug 16 01:30:17 http://pastebin.com/H3cTPjsH Aug 16 01:31:09 I tried to create an enyo.VFlexLayout inside the VFlexBox and wrapping the buttons but that makes the toolbar even thinner and I cannot see the buttons anymore Aug 16 01:31:54 FUNKATRON REPLIED! Aug 16 01:31:55 yay Aug 16 01:32:31 Spanska: get rid of the "pack" and "align" properties Aug 16 01:33:13 but they're commented out Aug 16 01:33:22 oh they are Aug 16 01:33:30 lack of syntax highlighting got me Aug 16 01:33:32 ;P Aug 16 01:33:35 haha Aug 16 01:33:44 that should work Aug 16 01:33:50 G' nite people. Aug 16 01:33:56 TravisAntonio: cya Aug 16 01:33:57 How're ya doing?. Aug 16 01:34:09 it doesn't in Chrome at least Aug 16 01:34:12 hmmm Aug 16 01:34:34 that should workkkkkkk Aug 16 01:34:50 ok, let me send it to the TouchPad then Aug 16 01:35:09 although toolbar's aren't built to work vertically Aug 16 01:35:41 soo that could be your issue Aug 16 01:35:49 try replacing enyo.Toolbar with enyo.HFlexBox Aug 16 01:37:10 same thing on the TouchPad ;) Aug 16 01:37:14 ok, I'll try that right now Aug 16 01:38:02 it aligns the icons, but the toolbar dissapears Aug 16 01:38:07 disappears Aug 16 01:38:13 SAMSUNG webOS Aug 16 01:39:03 Spanska: well yeah :) Aug 16 01:39:13 Spanska: soo what are you trying to accomplish? Aug 16 01:39:51 Have my toolbar on the side with icons at the top Aug 16 01:39:58 like spaz hd? Aug 16 01:40:13 yeah Aug 16 01:40:18 check out the spaz-hd source Aug 16 01:40:21 the css file Aug 16 01:40:21 I see how it's done in the code Aug 16 01:40:24 we do somethign special Aug 16 01:40:24 I'll do that.. Aug 16 01:40:40 or perhaps I should just let it at the bottom.. Aug 16 01:44:59 oil: you're my hero Aug 16 01:45:16 http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/101096593196986368 Aug 16 01:45:36 oh even when the bar is at the top the icons align in the middle.. weird Aug 16 01:47:02 rwhitby: not that I want to be a nuisance or require hand holding, but are there any docs or blog posts about actually using this cross-compile package/ Aug 16 01:48:56 is filenotify.db3 in /var/luna/data the file to delete when new music isnt being indexed? Aug 16 01:49:46 hi all! Aug 16 01:49:48 * rtyler just runs 'make' and sees what happens Aug 16 01:51:26 hey JenP Aug 16 01:51:33 long time no see Aug 16 01:51:34 kevets: reboot the phone (makes sure the service is running), then put your phone into usb mode and exit back out Aug 16 01:51:35 hi Tibfib Aug 16 01:51:48 I know. I've missed you all Aug 16 01:51:57 if that doesn't do it, add a random mp3 before exiting back out Aug 16 01:52:04 :). Whatcha been up to? Aug 16 01:52:27 gotcha.. will give that a try Aug 16 01:52:45 crazy work schedule. Aug 16 01:52:46 always seems to be something when i transfer music over Aug 16 01:52:56 but not much else. How are things? Aug 16 01:53:32 good! Just submitted a google reader client for the touchpad Aug 16 01:53:57 oh awesome! good job! Aug 16 01:54:11 s/a google reader client/the best google reader client Aug 16 01:54:11 saw those screenshots. looks pretty good man Aug 16 01:54:19 wish i had a touchpad Aug 16 01:54:54 thanks! Aug 16 01:55:02 Tibfib: :-D congrats, did you get my email earlier? Aug 16 01:55:10 yeah I did Aug 16 01:55:29 ok, just making sure Aug 16 01:55:43 sorry I kind of answer all my email in groups Aug 16 01:55:45 given the spam filter getting in the way last time Aug 16 01:55:50 no, it's not a big deal Aug 16 01:56:09 I've been without good internet for a while, so no worries Aug 16 01:56:23 wait, this is pulling down a .dmg, I'm on linux OH NOES! Aug 16 01:59:59 man I'm having trouble getting motivation to code Aug 16 02:00:52 rtyler: there is a PDK and cross-compiler included in the 3.0 sdk Aug 16 02:01:03 depending on what exactly you want out of it Aug 16 02:01:15 story. of. my. life. Tibfib Aug 16 02:01:26 I usually don't Aug 16 02:01:42 just kind of am in a "waiting" stage and don't want to code Aug 16 02:01:57 waiting for my tp, nomnomnom to be submitted, school to start Aug 16 02:02:38 waiting for my tp too Aug 16 02:02:40 yay waiting game Aug 16 02:03:22 I don't have the money for one, but I'm annoyed that I haven't been able to find one on display yet Aug 16 02:04:17 you haven't been able to find one on display? Aug 16 02:04:32 the Best Buy in rural ME had them on display Aug 16 02:04:55 * Tibfib has played with one in best buy Aug 16 02:05:11 some sales guy started talking to me Aug 16 02:05:19 * Shadyman is some sales guy Aug 16 02:05:26 IT WAS YOU! Aug 16 02:05:30 Muhaha. Aug 16 02:05:41 * Tibfib was about to insult--nevermind Aug 16 02:05:48 nah. I wear an HP webOS shirt and an HP nametag. Not a Bestbuy shirt. Aug 16 02:05:48 dwc-: I was looking to compile a Qt app for the device Aug 16 02:05:59 Tibfib: shouting "I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING" usually gets them to leave you alone Aug 16 02:06:00 >_> Aug 16 02:06:18 Shadyman: oh you work at HP? Aug 16 02:06:37 or are you one of those webOS advocates at best buys or whatever? Aug 16 02:06:50 I seriously considered being one of those Aug 16 02:06:51 Tibfib: Close. Work for a marketing company that does in-store demos and sales of HP products at various retail stores Aug 16 02:06:58 nice Aug 16 02:07:08 This week is double shifts all the wayyy Aug 16 02:07:15 not arguing. Aug 16 02:07:20 summatusmentis: I thought about it Aug 16 02:07:22 can't though Aug 16 02:07:24 bad hours Aug 16 02:07:28 yeah, same Aug 16 02:07:31 Tibfib: weekends are bad hours? ;) Aug 16 02:07:35 those were my drinking hours! Aug 16 02:07:37 :-P Aug 16 02:07:43 12-4 on weekends are drinking hours? Aug 16 02:07:44 they're all my drinking hours Aug 16 02:07:44 Dude. Aug 16 02:07:52 ;) Aug 16 02:07:54 Shadyman: lolol Aug 16 02:08:04 Shadyman: yesss Aug 16 02:08:08 Hax. Aug 16 02:08:21 Just bring a beer to work. It'll be fine as long as you bring some for everyone else. Aug 16 02:08:29 omg, give up robot, hard mode is soooooooooooo DIFFICULT Aug 16 02:09:03 Protip: those chargers that are attached to those security devices don't charge worth crap. Aug 16 02:09:16 I've noticed that Aug 16 02:09:26 ie the ones that stick on the back of the touchpad, and the little wire that goes to the charging port. Aug 16 02:09:37 All of the power comes off of one central hub Aug 16 02:09:40 I set off the security devic, twice in one trip, on the nook color once Aug 16 02:09:48 I don't think it was best buy Aug 16 02:09:50 summatusmentis: That could be from a loose sticker. Aug 16 02:09:58 but after that I stopped touching them Aug 16 02:10:01 heh Aug 16 02:10:13 I've been hitting walmarts and staples Aug 16 02:10:29 Loudergood: You shouldn't hit stores. They hurt you more than you hurt them. Concrete walls? Ouch. Aug 16 02:10:38 the slide factor on the pre2 and veer seem to be tough on the ppl setting up the demos Aug 16 02:10:55 haven't stopped in a best buy yet...nearest one is over an hour away Aug 16 02:11:10 kevets: sliding is hard Aug 16 02:11:28 ive seen so many with sticky pads under the screen and they dont close properly Aug 16 02:12:21 and a working, charged pre2 is a rare find in a verizon store. veers seem to be charged better Aug 16 02:12:26 Usually cell-phones are just retracto-stickied, no? Aug 16 02:12:49 that's what I've seen Aug 16 02:13:05 but the cord was so tight it just demoed how easily the veer mag plug pops off, lol Aug 16 02:13:26 I need to figure out if there's a way to test AT&T coverage in my area Aug 16 02:13:39 without buying/cancelling Aug 16 02:13:51 prepaid Aug 16 02:14:34 hrm, but reception is sort of phone dependent, right? Aug 16 02:14:39 rtyler: I don't think there are qt libs or headers included in the widk or the pdk, you might need to compile your own Aug 16 02:15:44 sort of Aug 16 02:16:11 structure too Aug 16 02:16:23 any way to disable adding search engines? still havent figured that one out Aug 16 02:16:27 my parents have aluminum siding, it murders signals Aug 16 02:17:13 aluminum siding? wtf. Aug 16 02:17:24 dwc-: I'm guessing that's what this cross-compile package that rwhitby linked me to does, at least for OS X Aug 16 02:17:34 house was built in the 50's Aug 16 02:17:56 better than installing a 2.4ghz cordless and wondering what the hell happened to your wifi. Aug 16 02:18:00 * jaf0 gazes innocently. Aug 16 02:18:21 lol Aug 16 02:18:26 I work for a WISP...we see that a lot Aug 16 02:18:28 haha Aug 16 02:18:41 time to learncpp.com! Aug 16 02:18:46 yeah, AT&T has a reasonable discount for students at my school, and way more affordable than VZW, which is why I care at all Aug 16 02:19:12 what are you doing with the C preprocessor? Aug 16 02:19:29 Tibfib: thanks for your help! Aug 16 02:19:39 dwc-: huh? Aug 16 02:19:41 Spanska: what I do? Aug 16 02:19:50 for the toolbar Aug 16 02:19:51 Tibfib: I don't think Nom is sorting by my GReader settings Aug 16 02:20:10 Tibfib: I'll test it again next time I get new feeds to be sure but I'm 80% sure it isn't Aug 16 02:20:18 s/feeds/articles Aug 16 02:20:19 twbbas: I think you're lying Aug 16 02:20:24 No! Aug 16 02:20:30 hah Aug 16 02:20:37 I think your app is lying Aug 16 02:20:41 "true sort" BAH Aug 16 02:20:43 twbbas: It sorts by what the api gives me Aug 16 02:20:44 PatrickC: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?cpp Aug 16 02:20:47 ok Aug 16 02:20:52 it COULD be my GReader settings Aug 16 02:21:00 but like I said, I'll test to be 100% sure next time Aug 16 02:21:08 probably morning when I have a bunch of new articles Aug 16 02:21:17 twbbas: if it is sorted manually then it should work Aug 16 02:21:19 dwc-: see learncpp.com Aug 16 02:21:32 if they are sorted alphabetically or something, there may be issues Aug 16 02:21:54 my settings should be old first Aug 16 02:22:18 PatrickC: don't have to. I can already guess what it is Aug 16 02:22:40 twbbas: that could be what's up Aug 16 02:22:52 I'll investigate it Aug 16 02:23:19 all problems are obviously yours Tibfib Aug 16 02:23:38 YOU ALL LIE Aug 16 02:23:42 I PROGRAM PERFECTLY Aug 16 02:23:48 I found myself on my pre- looking for NomNomNom Aug 16 02:23:54 heheh Aug 16 02:24:01 so, what I'm saying is, when's the mojo version coming out? Aug 16 02:24:11 me thinks never Aug 16 02:24:18 :-P Aug 16 02:24:19 i was ready for the pre2 version yesterday heh Aug 16 02:24:20 yeah, absolutely never Aug 16 02:24:32 enyo optimized for mobile, possibly Aug 16 02:24:37 do this Aug 16 02:24:38 pls Aug 16 02:24:56 yeah eventually Aug 16 02:25:02 for when enyo-optimized-for-mobile phones come out and I buy one, I can use it immediately Aug 16 02:26:12 till now my reader launcher shortcut to the mobile web version will have to cut it Aug 16 02:26:21 haha, enyo for phones. right ;) Aug 16 02:26:43 ... Aug 16 02:26:44 loving this browser tap and hold for context menu patch Aug 16 02:31:36 kevets: +1 Aug 16 02:34:24 * haeffb patch-free since 2009 Aug 16 02:34:36 haeffb: really... Aug 16 02:35:26 damn i dont think i could go patch free. Aug 16 02:35:52 same here Aug 16 02:36:12 haeffb: jeeze Aug 16 02:37:03 some of them i wish i could just include when i build a doctor image Aug 16 02:37:11 that would be something Aug 16 02:37:13 I'm sure you could Aug 16 02:37:21 I think my pre was patch free maybe 8 hours Aug 16 02:37:35 lol Aug 16 02:37:38 just like you can edit the makefile options Aug 16 02:38:00 that I don't think will be as easy Aug 16 02:38:07 I think the fan on my laptop is going out. Aug 16 02:38:08 :( Aug 16 02:38:11 itd be neat to have a set of standard patches right there tho Aug 16 02:38:22 to flip on or off Aug 16 02:45:18 haeffb!!! Aug 16 02:45:24 Stupid question, but then I am just a user. Where are the config files for the XServer package stored? I've got another thought with my NX issue. Aug 16 02:46:15 http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/4405/hp-pre-3--sim-free-unlocked--black- Aug 16 02:46:22 You can buy a Pre 3 right now and get it delivered next day Aug 16 02:46:26 (UK) Aug 16 02:47:42 that cant be right, right? Aug 16 02:48:43 idk the site looks kinda outdated Aug 16 02:48:49 "Available Late July" Aug 16 02:48:52 but it says in stock Aug 16 02:49:15 i call shenanigans Aug 16 02:49:21 Buy one and see! Aug 16 02:49:23 ;) Aug 16 02:49:51 yeah srsly Aug 16 02:56:28 wow did you guys see this Aug 16 02:56:29 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/the-intel-upgrade-service-once-again-charging-you-50-to-do-stu/ Aug 16 02:59:15 fffffffuuuuuuu **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 16 02:59:57 2011