**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 16 02:59:57 2011 Aug 16 03:00:03 well guys i'll c u tomorrow I have a 4 am with the trainer tomorrow...bleh Aug 16 03:00:09 see ya Aug 16 03:00:55 4am with a trainer? sounds a little masochistic Aug 16 03:06:54 crap.. logged into the wrong twitter when I signed up for geekli.st Aug 16 03:14:06 dwc-: My work hours can be worse than that. Try starting at 1:31AM Aug 16 03:15:06 wow Aug 16 03:15:16 Hendikins: better than 1:29AM Aug 16 03:15:18 my cpu usage is almost always 100% Aug 16 03:15:18 hey, that's prime time! Aug 16 03:16:01 Shadyman: Not really. Aug 16 03:16:14 * Hendikins has had start times ranging from 0131 to 2221. Aug 16 03:17:57 O.o my app folder is 84MB on my computer yet 44MB when in .ipk form Aug 16 03:18:04 I didn't know it shrunk it THAT much Aug 16 03:18:12 twbbas: TWSS? Aug 16 03:18:18 hahahahahaaha Aug 16 03:18:22 omgggg Aug 16 03:18:37 Winning Aug 16 03:18:41 fo sho Aug 16 03:21:10 hmm my app isn't loading yet in the logs it seems like it should be loading Aug 16 03:22:44 time to debug this monster Aug 16 03:23:23 twbbas: differences? Aug 16 03:23:29 ya man Aug 16 03:23:37 I'm testing on the device for the first time in a while Aug 16 03:23:58 this is why a dev can't rely on emulators/chrome for all testing Aug 16 03:24:04 it runs fine in chrome Aug 16 03:24:10 yeah Aug 16 03:24:14 weirc Aug 16 03:24:16 weird Aug 16 03:24:34 hmm.. I wonder if vbox will run on my desktop.. hmm :) Aug 16 03:31:44 twbbas: and is it 84mb again after being installed? Aug 16 03:32:00 dwc-: Probably when unpacked ,yeah Aug 16 03:32:20 I'll look Aug 16 03:33:07 dwc-: O.O 198MB Aug 16 03:33:19 WHAT?! Aug 16 03:33:20 wow Aug 16 03:33:22 that can't be right Aug 16 03:34:07 how could it be bigger on-device then on the computer O.o Aug 16 03:34:07 hmm Aug 16 03:34:17 twbbas: qq.. is it ja/pdk? Aug 16 03:34:18 http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/103307284804927488 :) Aug 16 03:34:18 let me try deleting then reinstalling Aug 16 03:34:48 jaf0: windows me finished installing? Aug 16 03:35:07 oil: :) Aug 16 03:35:12 O.O maybe this is why it isn't loading the app Aug 16 03:35:15 coming to mojo-wirc? Aug 16 03:36:11 twbbas: rm -rf that folder Aug 16 03:36:19 nope Aug 16 03:36:23 I wouldn't trust palm-install -are to uninstall it Aug 16 03:36:29 I deleted on device Aug 16 03:36:29 1.x doesn't support the canvas stuff that uses Aug 16 03:36:30 oil: :-( Aug 16 03:36:33 ah Aug 16 03:36:37 2.x! Aug 16 03:37:41 ah, much better Aug 16 03:37:44 93.1MB when installed Aug 16 03:37:48 84MB on computer Aug 16 03:37:48 lol Aug 16 03:37:50 44MB ipk Aug 16 03:38:10 still not loading... hmm.. Aug 16 03:38:35 "on computer" what filesystem? Aug 16 03:38:59 win7 Aug 16 03:39:06 and do you have lots of small files in this app? Aug 16 03:39:14 99% of the app is images Aug 16 03:39:22 small images Aug 16 03:39:48 lots of stuff not in 4kB increments? Aug 16 03:40:12 and is that size in win7, or size on disk in win7 Aug 16 03:40:16 Lots of 5-20KB stuff Aug 16 03:40:42 oh size on disk is 87.5MB Aug 16 03:40:53 the phone/pad's filesystem uses 4kB blocks Aug 16 03:41:06 ooo Aug 16 03:41:08 I see Aug 16 03:41:17 why does visual c++ take soooo long to install :S Aug 16 03:41:28 because it's a beast program Aug 16 03:41:29 actually ... Aug 16 03:41:38 the cryptofs stuff might be 32kB blocks? Aug 16 03:41:45 dang Aug 16 03:42:10 twbbas: differences js/pdk? Aug 16 03:42:25 yea. that'll do it. 32kB yikes. Aug 16 03:43:21 PatrickC: just enyo Aug 16 03:43:25 wow Aug 16 03:43:30 Like I said, it's 99% images Aug 16 03:43:40 * PatrickC wonders if there are any pdk open source games? Aug 16 03:43:45 its a wild dkirker!! Aug 16 03:43:51 dun dun dun Aug 16 03:43:55 uh oh Aug 16 03:43:56 *screen fades in* Aug 16 03:44:02 dkirker: run! Aug 16 03:44:07 dkirker: stay! Aug 16 03:44:20 Fast! Hurry! Aug 16 03:44:24 "The wild Dkirker has got away!" Aug 16 03:44:24 NO! Aug 16 03:44:37 * PatrickC grabs dkirker on he sleeve Aug 16 03:44:45 you aren't going anywhere! Aug 16 03:44:54 until I get enyo Universe! Aug 16 03:44:55 use your masterball Aug 16 03:45:00 actually, I will be going to get dinner shortly. :) Aug 16 03:45:15 dinner.. bah! its 10:32 here lol Aug 16 03:45:24 8:43 here Aug 16 03:45:27 dinner at midnight? oh yeah you live on the "other side" Aug 16 03:45:32 lol Aug 16 03:45:37 twbbas: east coast? Aug 16 03:45:46 Eastern time zone, not really the coast Aug 16 03:45:50 Michigan :D Aug 16 03:45:57 lol Aug 16 03:45:58 cold Aug 16 03:46:08 not really Aug 16 03:46:18 I used to live in MN and it was cold there Aug 16 03:46:42 I used to live in FL and it was hot there Aug 16 03:47:04 I went to FL once and it was 17 degrees Aug 16 03:47:11 lol Aug 16 03:47:13 '88? Aug 16 03:47:20 '02? Aug 16 03:47:22 FL doesn't exist Aug 16 03:47:23 around then Aug 16 03:47:25 wow Aug 16 03:47:33 New Years Eve Aug 16 03:47:40 It was a record Aug 16 03:47:45 yeah Aug 16 03:47:49 in '88 it snowed Aug 16 03:47:50 we were at disney world watching fireworks Aug 16 03:47:55 so the city shut down haha Aug 16 03:47:58 haha Aug 16 03:48:10 my sister lives in houston and the city shuts down when they get a cm of snow Aug 16 03:48:17 like, the airport was shut down for days Aug 16 03:48:18 no snow plows :S Aug 16 03:48:23 yeahs Aug 16 03:48:24 Being tired and having a ton to do -- not fun. Aug 16 03:48:28 same w/ fl Aug 16 03:48:45 Hmmm, Engadget likes to post articles in 2s Aug 16 03:49:04 I'm sure they just have a release system Aug 16 03:49:08 Every Engadget notification in NomNomNom is "2 unread articles - Engadget" Aug 16 03:50:07 Did everyone see that you can buy a Pre 3 right now? Aug 16 03:50:16 And have it tomorrow Aug 16 03:50:32 http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/4405/hp-pre-3--sim-free-unlocked--black- Aug 16 03:51:05 "In Stock" "NEXTDAY DEL AVAILABLE" Aug 16 03:51:24 order one? Aug 16 03:51:46 it'll cost me $502 Aug 16 03:51:53 and I can't even use it as a phone Aug 16 03:51:56 since it's UK only Aug 16 03:52:04 unlock it :) Aug 16 03:52:24 did you even read the url? it's unlocked Aug 16 03:52:27 doesn't it have different bands in europe? Aug 16 03:52:34 probably just the wrong frequencies Aug 16 03:52:40 ya Aug 16 03:52:55 if only that site sold Sprint Pre 3s Aug 16 03:53:00 then I *may* buy one Aug 16 03:53:04 * PatrickC *sigh* Aug 16 03:53:12 but I need to buy books tomorrow so I can't afford this Aug 16 03:53:13 GSM FTW. That is all. Aug 16 03:53:51 http://fxspec06.imgur.com/9L5T9#8MrwC Aug 16 03:53:53 let's all donate like $10 and get one Aug 16 03:53:58 cute little app =) Aug 16 03:53:59 we can send it around to each other Aug 16 03:54:54 next day delivery? pre 3 Aug 16 03:54:54 twbbas: eff, I haven't even registered yet Aug 16 03:54:57 dkirker: you still at palm? Aug 16 03:55:01 jaf0: yes Aug 16 03:55:02 ............................ i doubt it Aug 16 03:55:06 woohoo! Aug 16 03:55:15 WTF http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/4566/cnm-touchpad-ii-tablet Aug 16 03:55:16 is universe going to continue? Aug 16 03:55:22 CnM TOUCHPAD II Aug 16 03:55:29 jaf0: to my understanding Aug 16 03:55:34 How dare they ruin the HP TouchPad name Aug 16 03:56:09 what in the world is that picture?! Aug 16 03:57:04 and only $140? Aug 16 03:58:52 fxspec06: you got a tp? Aug 16 03:58:57 and nice screenshot Aug 16 03:59:19 nope Aug 16 03:59:22 don't have a tp Aug 16 03:59:38 emu? Aug 16 04:00:38 a coupel of them Aug 16 04:00:44 ah Aug 16 04:00:55 like, two of them. rest are from other ppl Aug 16 04:04:49 I'll fix this bug tomorrow Aug 16 04:04:53 night #webos Aug 16 04:06:03 :D got my touchpad :D Aug 16 04:06:06 later tw Aug 16 04:06:23 best preware other than patches, or app catalog applications? :D Aug 16 04:12:57 best app catalog app is def wildn video poker ; ) Aug 16 04:35:12 hmm, I wonder if I could even cross-compile something simple like a hello-world FLTK app Aug 16 04:36:29 silly question, but how do I go to the cards view in palm-emulator Touchpad? Aug 16 04:41:21 Hey, does anyone know how createComponent() works? Aug 16 04:41:48 UTSL Aug 16 04:46:30 rrix press the home button on your keyboard Aug 16 04:47:58 singmajesty: createComponent is basically something to make objects at runtime in code as opposed to pre-setup in the headers Aug 16 04:48:03 There we go, cool Aug 16 04:48:07 thanks crimsonredmk Aug 16 04:48:29 rrix: F6/F7 switch landscape and portrait mode Aug 16 04:49:45 I figured it out :) Aug 16 04:49:55 If you listen to onCreateView on a Pane object... Aug 16 04:50:02 You have to *return* whatever you want to display Aug 16 04:50:15 So instead of calling "createComponent ({kind:'Button'});" Aug 16 04:50:21 you return createComponent, etc. Aug 16 05:02:02 what's up? Aug 16 05:02:52 neat, touchpad gets useable maps.google.com now Aug 16 05:02:54 ust checked Aug 16 05:03:01 cool :) Aug 16 05:03:07 phones next? Aug 16 05:03:10 I hope Aug 16 05:03:29 i don't have a phone so can't really test it Aug 16 05:03:38 just tried it Aug 16 05:03:46 it send a flag to open the maps app Aug 16 05:05:33 i was thinking it'd get tablet search too, but doesn't look like it Aug 16 05:06:03 the search on the tp seems fine to me Aug 16 05:06:17 I like having the *actual* google site :) Aug 16 05:06:17 it's just standard search Aug 16 05:06:31 but there is a tablet version which gets rid of some of the side bar stuff Aug 16 05:06:39 ah Aug 16 05:06:48 WOO! 26 min left! Aug 16 05:07:01 on what? Aug 16 05:07:14 office 2010 offline installer Aug 16 05:07:34 why? Aug 16 05:07:52 the pc I'm gonna install it on has been ban from the internet Aug 16 05:07:55 from my parents Aug 16 05:08:03 software gets to it via usb Aug 16 05:08:57 why? Aug 16 05:09:22 that's what they said Aug 16 05:09:36 they think if I have internet on the pc, I won't get any homework done Aug 16 05:09:44 Because it's true? :D Aug 16 05:09:53 maybe :) Aug 16 05:09:59 sure, but who did homework? Aug 16 05:10:05 haha Aug 16 05:10:06 heh Aug 16 05:10:10 Oh wireless router, your WLAN rules pwnz0r Aug 16 05:10:10 I'm homeschooled Aug 16 05:10:21 so my homework is my school Aug 16 05:10:22 well, i'd do it during other classes sometimes in high school Aug 16 05:10:30 PatrickC: http://192.168.0.1 <-- Hax that Aug 16 05:10:36 or .1.1 Aug 16 05:10:41 and do the crappiest job of it ever Aug 16 05:11:20 what did you want me to do to the router? Aug 16 05:11:24 lol Aug 16 05:11:33 the pc has no wireless card Aug 16 05:11:48 get it one Aug 16 05:11:55 it had one Aug 16 05:11:59 put it back in Aug 16 05:12:00 I was told to remove it Aug 16 05:12:06 aww Aug 16 05:12:09 don't let them know Aug 16 05:12:13 get 2, remove 1? Aug 16 05:12:19 my dad would know Aug 16 05:12:46 he's an electrical engineer... and knows more about computers then the average IT person Aug 16 05:12:54 he built a robot Aug 16 05:13:15 built the circuit boards, did *all* the programming, etc. Aug 16 05:13:26 does he check the back of every computer in the hosue constantly? :P Aug 16 05:13:37 lol Aug 16 05:13:45 he would see the extra device on the router Aug 16 05:14:08 don't use dhcp Aug 16 05:14:31 usually device lists are based on dhcp leases the router knows about Aug 16 05:14:40 so if you statically assign it an IP it shouldn't show up in the device list Aug 16 05:14:54 He'd still show up on Network Neighborhood / MSHOME / WORKGROUP / whatever Aug 16 05:14:59 silly NetBIOS Aug 16 05:15:16 Shadyman: i don't know my windows crap but i'm sure that can be disabled Aug 16 05:15:44 DraX: Eh, too much work. At that point I'd give up and do my homework just so I could get internets back Aug 16 05:15:45 if nothing else you can probably just firewall off the broadcast Aug 16 05:15:50 not that I ever had my internets taken away.. Aug 16 05:16:08 I think I'll just do good in skool Aug 16 05:16:11 Seeing as how I controlled the internets for everyone *else* in the house... *hum* Aug 16 05:16:14 and wait for my mac :) Aug 16 05:16:14 one needs to draw a line in the sand with these parent types Aug 16 05:16:34 internet is non-negotiable :P Aug 16 05:16:42 hehe Aug 16 05:16:50 Kids these days! Aug 16 05:16:54 Whargarbl. Aug 16 05:17:03 PatrickC: What grade? Aug 16 05:17:08 10th Aug 16 05:17:20 * Shadyman fires up the "well when I was in ___th grade.." Aug 16 05:17:26 indeed Aug 16 05:17:29 Oh. 10th grade, we had cable internets. Darn. Aug 16 05:17:36 lol Aug 16 05:17:43 yeah i think we had dsl or cable at that point as well Aug 16 05:17:44 PatrickC: You're no fun. You were supposed to say, like, 9th, so I could bemoan my 56k dialup. Aug 16 05:17:54 dialup in middle school Aug 16 05:17:58 yeah Aug 16 05:18:10 Shadyman: probably means we're probably around the same age :P Aug 16 05:18:15 we're out in the boonies a bit though so I think it was 8th or 9th grade before cable Aug 16 05:18:28 wtf 7th grade, rockin' the pentium 200mhz Aug 16 05:18:32 with MMX, bishes Aug 16 05:18:39 lol Aug 16 05:18:42 i had a thinkpad 760xd Aug 16 05:18:48 166mhz pentium Aug 16 05:18:52 * Shadyman evilglares Aug 16 05:19:00 Fine. Aug 16 05:19:07 running OpenBSD Aug 16 05:19:16 * PatrickC *has* a P3 with a 668?MHz Aug 16 05:19:22 Yeah well, I installed Office 2000 on an 486. Aug 16 05:19:24 So there. Aug 16 05:19:27 and i had an amd k6 233 with 128mb ram Aug 16 05:19:41 running Slackware linux Aug 16 05:19:46 i think i started with 3.2 ... Aug 16 05:19:48 I installed virtualbox on a laptop with 128mb ram Aug 16 05:19:56 actually, 10th grade I built my AMD Duron 600 box Aug 16 05:20:03 the SPEEEED Aug 16 05:20:12 by high school i had a dual pentium pro 200 Aug 16 05:20:19 oo Aug 16 05:20:26 dualness of coolness. Aug 16 05:20:36 someone gave the board and procs to me Aug 16 05:20:43 and i ran Atheos on it Aug 16 05:20:44 haha nice Aug 16 05:20:52 and later freebsd 4 Aug 16 05:20:54 no 5 Aug 16 05:21:09 I didn't go all linuxnerd until college Aug 16 05:21:19 once syllable forked from atheos i got off the atheos bandwagon Aug 16 05:21:55 * PatrickC will dual-boot his desktop Aug 16 05:21:55 my sister's boyfriend was a nerd and gave me my first slackware floppy disks Aug 16 05:22:01 once I get WUBI working Aug 16 05:22:20 think my first real linux-ifying was redhat 9 or fedora 1. Neither of which worked worth a crap on my hardware :x Aug 16 05:22:36 but my video card didn't work with X at the time so i actually learned how to do everything from shell Aug 16 05:22:37 lol Aug 16 05:22:46 my first linux was Ubuntu in a VM Aug 16 05:22:58 until i finally replaced it with a worse video card that worked with X Aug 16 05:23:07 Heh. Aug 16 05:23:44 ohdamn. Aug 16 05:23:48 10th grade was like.. 10 years ago. Aug 16 05:23:53 * Shadyman squints. Aug 16 05:24:01 yeah, i think about the same Aug 16 05:24:02 * PatrickC was hoping for an ISO for office.. not an exe.. Aug 16 05:24:08 lol Aug 16 05:24:10 OLD PEOPLE! Aug 16 05:24:13 :) Aug 16 05:24:16 :D Aug 16 05:24:19 college was 2 years ago, which is weird enough Aug 16 05:24:37 That's okay. I got proper coding lessons drilled into my head. None of this .net garbage Aug 16 05:25:04 anyone want to be in microsoft's beta program? Aug 16 05:25:29 * Shadyman parses that sentence as "...want...microsoft...?" Aug 16 05:25:30 PatrickC: i haven't used windows in like 10 years Aug 16 05:25:35 PatrickC: Depends for what? Aug 16 05:25:46 Shadyman: just about everything Aug 16 05:25:55 http://connect.microsoft.com iirc Aug 16 05:26:12 yep Aug 16 05:26:18 I turned down a 1-year subscription to MSDN at a con once Aug 16 05:26:25 because someone else could use it more than I could. Aug 16 05:26:36 ah Aug 16 05:26:37 s/could use/likely needed/ Aug 16 05:26:42 I have MSDNA Aug 16 05:27:03 free.. like.. everything Aug 16 05:27:08 yeah Aug 16 05:27:41 dreamspark/bizspark are nice too Aug 16 05:27:53 well, I have win7 on my laptop, and office 2003 pro academic Aug 16 05:27:57 * Shadyman shrugs Aug 16 05:27:59 and WoW Aug 16 05:28:06 PatrickC: i wrote my papers in highschool (and college) with LaTeX :P Aug 16 05:28:13 WTF. Aug 16 05:28:19 DraX: You're such a nerd. :P Aug 16 05:28:36 Shadyman: is it better or worse if i say i use ERC for an irc client? Aug 16 05:29:03 I'm going to have to say worse, as I'd actually have to break out my google-fu for that. Aug 16 05:29:12 http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ERC Aug 16 05:29:19 Oh. Aug 16 05:30:18 meow =^.^= Aug 16 05:30:32 * Shadyman winces. I see a lot of words on that page that relate to emacs and IRC. Aug 16 05:30:42 It's late enough at night that all I have to respond with is vi > emacs Aug 16 05:31:06 no no, I refuse to accept that there is discussion of emacs in here :( Aug 16 05:31:16 it's so easy to refute that that i won't bother Aug 16 05:31:21 :D Aug 16 05:31:22 Yay Aug 16 05:31:51 * dkirker loves the smell of new networking equipment :) Aug 16 05:31:58 just to change the topic ;) Aug 16 05:32:00 yay carcinogens! Aug 16 05:32:04 ozone! Aug 16 05:33:09 dkirker: emacs running on Ubuntu chroot on a TouchPad Aug 16 05:33:35 i actually like webos because it has similarites to the emacs way Aug 16 05:33:48 rwhitby: please, no! Aug 16 05:33:58 dkirker: They really meant vim, it's okay Aug 16 05:34:01 webOS doesn't talk to itself... Aug 16 05:34:13 I do. Aug 16 05:34:14 rrix: Oh, good Aug 16 05:34:17 dkirker: http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ Aug 16 05:34:19 It's all okay Aug 16 05:34:33 Shadyman: hahahaha! Aug 16 05:35:32 * rrix gives up on anyterm, too hacktastic to be useful :( Aug 16 05:54:18 YEAH! Aug 16 05:54:29 I can get VS 2010 ult free! Aug 16 06:02:20 Lucky Aug 16 06:02:34 How? Aug 16 06:03:35 MSDNAA Aug 16 06:04:49 dkirker: seriously, emacs has been available for installation on webOS devices using optware for almost two years Aug 16 06:05:05 and there are about four other emacs-clone apps in optware too Aug 16 06:05:16 I think I've seen them. Aug 16 06:07:13 and secretly use them? Aug 16 06:07:27 nope :P I use vim built in the device :) Aug 16 06:08:08 welp.. I'm off to bed Aug 16 06:08:23 gonna leave the CS5.5 suite downloading overnight :) Aug 16 06:28:12 hi Adora! Aug 16 06:34:32 * rwhitby notes that the southern hemisphere bug that he reported almost two years ago still has not been fixed. I wonder if they HP folks going to Sydney next month will make a difference to whether it gets fixed or not. Aug 16 06:35:01 Since none of them will be able to use location services on any of their webOS devices anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Aug 16 06:35:23 rwhitby: Were you given a ticket number? Aug 16 06:35:33 If so, please DM it to me. Aug 16 06:35:43 I've been given different ticket numbers over the years. Aug 16 06:36:00 loll Aug 16 06:36:20 dkirker: /msg'd Aug 16 06:36:22 rwhitby: thats like "look, i added it, stop asking me" Aug 16 06:36:25 lols Aug 16 06:37:14 I expect when Richard Kerris' maps don't work when he lands in Sydney it might finally get fixed some months after that. Aug 16 06:38:23 cause it seems getting it fixed before actually selling webOS devices in Australia was not a priority, even when given 1.5+ years notice Aug 16 06:48:21 dkirker: It's in JIRA Aug 16 06:48:28 It was on the list for the next OTA Aug 16 06:51:31 * rwhitby notes "was" Aug 16 06:52:40 I will look this up in the morning. Until then NO assumptions are to be made. Aug 16 06:53:08 * rwhitby continues to wait patiently for a fix to arrive on his devices Aug 16 06:53:47 it's been almost two years, another day is not going to make a difference :) Aug 16 06:53:59 And I am going to ask that HP personnel refrain from discussion roadmaps or internal tickets in a public chat room. Aug 16 06:56:05 The TouchPad is for sale in Australia, now, and there will be an event soon in Sydney Aug 16 06:56:35 I hope that more geolocation and localization type issues will be resolved as soon as possible Aug 16 06:57:28 I would hope so too. But #webOS is NOT the place to discuss product roadmaps (or possible roadmaps) or HP internal tickets. The reasoning should be obvious. I don't want to be the police. Aug 16 07:28:54 * dwc- looks at all the devices that haven't seen an OTA in awhile Aug 16 07:49:17 dwc-: I doubt anything before the Veer will ever get another OTA Aug 16 07:52:40 same Aug 16 07:53:16 Is Pre 3 a Palm phone or a HP phone? Aug 16 07:53:22 "Palm" Aug 16 07:54:24 still runs webos 2.1? Aug 16 09:20:34 rwhitby: I'm wondering if explicitly setting a keymap when the X11 server is started will help with my NX issues. Aug 16 09:22:07 Hendikins: I thought we did set a keymap Aug 16 09:23:22 It seems I can't mess with whatever is set using xmodmap Aug 16 09:24:04 Although in this case, I'd be setting a modified keymap, so the question is still valid. Aug 16 09:24:43 best to talk with dtzWill about that, and #webos is not the appropriate channel for any of this Aug 16 09:24:58 Fair call. Aug 16 12:42:55 What the heck is this: http://twitpic.com/66y352 Aug 16 12:44:10 http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5010/upload816201174130am.png Aug 16 12:49:14 Can someone else check the app catalog for nomnomnom? Aug 16 13:07:47 hi... i'm new to webos development. Aug 16 13:08:22 hi Aug 16 13:08:26 is it possible to install sdk 2.1 & sdk 3.0 in parallel on one computer? Aug 16 13:08:36 Adora: it appears that NomNomNom is available in the catalog while the dev portal says it is "Ready for Review". Any ideas what is going on? Aug 16 13:08:46 3.0 includes 2.x emulators Aug 16 13:09:12 Tibfib: isnt adora sleeping? Aug 16 13:09:15 also the libs and the other sdk 2 stuff included in sdk 3? Aug 16 13:09:21 hotdp: ah Aug 16 13:09:23 probably Aug 16 13:10:58 http://www.somobile.co.uk/news/2011/08/16/hp-pre-3-gets-august-17-release-date/ Aug 16 13:13:54 Getting tired waiting for Amazon to ship my tp. Anyone here knows what stores in UK sell it? Since I am flying to Edinburgh on sunday. Aug 16 13:19:54 a Aug 16 13:23:35 WHAT THE: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.app.nomnomnom Aug 16 13:26:51 Bah Aug 16 13:27:12 Why did I bother adding nicknames to some of my contacts because it doesn't apparently even use nickname in Just Type contact search :P Aug 16 13:27:44 zomg: yeah it does Aug 16 13:27:59 I can search by nickname and have contacts come up Aug 16 13:28:39 Huh, it does? 2.1? Aug 16 13:28:42 yep Aug 16 13:29:07 Yeah Aug 16 13:29:15 Possibly because it didn't *save* the nickname edits I did :P Aug 16 13:29:32 haha Aug 16 13:29:36 that would do it Aug 16 13:29:57 Heh, yeah... Now it works when I confirmed it saved it this time :D Aug 16 14:05:04 http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/new-android-malware-hides-as-google-app-answers-calls-for-you/ Aug 16 14:05:06 hahaha Aug 16 14:23:24 wait.. theres a gamefly app? Aug 16 14:23:33 someone actually thought of us? Aug 16 14:32:53 morning all Aug 16 14:56:48 I forgot... how do I enable DEV mode on my TouchPad again? Aug 16 14:57:05 PALM Aug 16 14:57:24 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Aug 16 14:58:06 ^ Aug 16 14:58:13 gogo konami code! Aug 16 14:58:26 I thought that was only on phones... Doesn't TP have a different code? Aug 16 14:59:11 nope Aug 16 14:59:18 i only really see "bastart" Aug 16 14:59:27 it sticks out Aug 16 14:59:28 :P Aug 16 14:59:59 there's also like 06072007 or w/e too Aug 16 15:01:35 webos20090606 Aug 16 15:02:08 Tibfib: nomnomnom in? Aug 16 15:02:15 no......... Aug 16 15:02:19 :/ Aug 16 15:05:00 thx Aug 16 15:05:30 PatrickC: well kind of Aug 16 15:05:34 Palm totally botched the submission Aug 16 15:05:55 totally and utterly screwed up Aug 16 15:06:02 and now I'm going to get emails and tweets asking how to fix it Aug 16 15:06:48 Tibfib: I bought it, but having issues D/L-ing Aug 16 15:07:03 IGNTNUNLMTD: ugghh Aug 16 15:07:04 sorry mate Aug 16 15:07:27 not a problem, it sure isn't your fault Aug 16 15:07:51 Adora: ping Aug 16 15:19:16 twbbas_: MSDNAA has VS Ultimate as software for free download Aug 16 15:20:12 another post removed at precentral Aug 16 15:20:22 fxspec06_: where/what? Aug 16 15:20:27 idk! Aug 16 15:20:32 if i had a link, i'd give it Aug 16 15:20:35 whos? Aug 16 15:20:37 but it's gone, it doesn't exist Aug 16 15:20:41 ...mine.............. Aug 16 15:20:45 wow... Aug 16 15:20:51 like seriously Aug 16 15:20:54 * PatrickC likes WOR muuuuch better Aug 16 15:21:05 I don't even use PC anymore Aug 16 15:21:05 9/15 of my last posts on precentral have been removed Aug 16 15:21:11 Tibfib!!! Aug 16 15:21:12 WOW Aug 16 15:21:21 twbbas!! Aug 16 15:21:22 Tibfib: NomNomNom is listed #5 under new apps! Aug 16 15:21:27 twbbas: what? Aug 16 15:21:31 It's right at the top Aug 16 15:21:40 yeah but it's borked Aug 16 15:21:45 Yeah I saw your tweets Aug 16 15:21:47 the icon isn't there either Aug 16 15:21:57 same with "Best Shopping List Aug 16 15:22:05 another new app Aug 16 15:22:12 It looks like only new apps are affected Aug 16 15:22:18 the dev portal also reports the app as "Ready for Review" Aug 16 15:22:23 weird O.o Aug 16 15:22:30 dude.. office takes forever to install :/ Aug 16 15:23:00 stupid microsoft, right Aug 16 15:23:05 twbbas: yeah. Aug 16 15:23:05 yep Aug 16 15:23:22 they make such good programs that take forever to install the goodness Aug 16 15:23:45 and Photoshop is like 2599MB Aug 16 15:24:20 microsoft doesn't make photoshop Aug 16 15:24:26 I know Aug 16 15:24:27 and i hate office Aug 16 15:24:34 what do you use? Aug 16 15:24:41 LibreOffice? Aug 16 15:24:47 (or however you spell it) Aug 16 15:25:00 2003 was the best, 2007 sucks. bloated, confusing, ribbon sucks, less customizable... Aug 16 15:25:09 i use office because i know it Aug 16 15:25:22 Tibfib: If it means anything, you don't have any bad reviews saying it won't download Aug 16 15:25:26 but that doesn't mean i like it Aug 16 15:25:30 I normally use OpenOfficeOrg Aug 16 15:25:38 twbbas: I don't think anyone is able to download it Aug 16 15:25:44 so they can't review it either Aug 16 15:25:44 but I want official office on this machine Aug 16 15:25:56 Tibfib: same happened to wildn touchpad on first submission Aug 16 15:26:03 Tibfib it goes away after a few hours Aug 16 15:26:06 You mean can't purchase it or can't download it? Aug 16 15:26:11 it fixes itself Aug 16 15:26:13 peeps can purchase, but not download Aug 16 15:26:15 there's nothing to worry about Aug 16 15:26:18 then they can review right? Aug 16 15:26:23 fxspec06: did the app portal report the wrong thing? Aug 16 15:26:28 twbbas: not sure Aug 16 15:26:30 oh hmm... Aug 16 15:26:37 Yeah, that's why I'm concerned Aug 16 15:26:59 i see. has anybody woken up over there on the west coast yet? Aug 16 15:27:01 fxspec06: His icon is also not there Aug 16 15:27:09 Same with the other new app Aug 16 15:27:12 yeah, the entire submission is borked Aug 16 15:27:23 I knew I shouldn't have used "TM" Aug 16 15:27:25 * oilsworkn has woken up on the west coast Aug 16 15:27:47 Tibfib: I don't think that borked it.. Aug 16 15:27:49 tm? Aug 16 15:27:50 haha Aug 16 15:27:52 twbbas if you don't have msdnaa but have a .edu email, dreamspark has VS 2010 ultimate too, free Aug 16 15:27:53 you did use TM? Aug 16 15:27:53 or could it have? haha Aug 16 15:27:59 PatrickC: thank you. Aug 16 15:28:02 craziness. i do believe they gave your app priority though, i'm still waiting for wildn update and i subb'd before you did Aug 16 15:28:12 crimsonredmk: Ok thanks. I have msdna though Aug 16 15:28:24 twbbas: sqeaky wheel and all Aug 16 15:28:25 (not that it makes it feel any better) Aug 16 15:28:38 s/twbbas/fxspec06/ Aug 16 15:29:01 TIBFIB Aug 16 15:29:02 TM WORKS! Aug 16 15:29:07 I didn't notice it until now Aug 16 15:29:24 twbbas: nice Aug 16 15:29:38 sorry to be offtopic, but isn't 3.0.2 out already? my touchpad isn't seeing it :/ Aug 16 15:29:57 crimsonredmk: I believe it is Aug 16 15:30:19 it's been out for over a week alredy Aug 16 15:30:25 lol Aug 16 15:31:12 * PatrickC will have to wait patiently for Photoshop to extract :/ Aug 16 15:31:17 * oilsworkn thinks he is going to buy todays shirt.woot Aug 16 15:32:33 any way to get it to really check for updates and see 3.0.2? Aug 16 15:32:44 the update app Aug 16 15:32:44 go to the 'Updates' app? Aug 16 15:32:50 or you could doctor to 302 Aug 16 15:34:43 Tibfib: https://www.box.net/shared/static/8axyv9hdqyd1gnuyvmx0.png Aug 16 15:35:11 twbbas: yeah, I've seen like 5 screenshots :( Aug 16 15:35:23 * halfhalo-work yawns Aug 16 15:35:25 Will Honey (TibFib) Aug 16 15:35:33 heh Aug 16 15:35:41 oilsworkn: the F isn't capitalized Aug 16 15:35:44 silllly Aug 16 15:35:55 sorry Aug 16 15:36:02 I mean if you're going to read it straight from a screenshot, at least do it properly Aug 16 15:36:12 OOO! you can bookmark apps :) Aug 16 15:36:31 * oilsworkn hasnt bookmarked an app yet Aug 16 15:36:40 * PatrickC has had apps he wanted to Aug 16 15:37:04 * halfhalo-work just buys the apps. credit card ftw Aug 16 15:37:09 mostly paid apps that I want to see reviews on before I buy Aug 16 15:37:11 verizon pre 2 update confirmed: http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/palm-pre-2/59305d1313498697-vzw-pushing-pre2-updates-out-now-2.1updateconf.png Aug 16 15:37:38 PatrickC: i thought you never buy apps? Aug 16 15:37:51 oilsworkn: I but select apps Aug 16 15:37:55 buy* Aug 16 15:38:26 ie angry birds Aug 16 15:38:37 i.e. NOT YOURS Aug 16 15:38:58 right now.. I have no money for apps Aug 16 15:39:08 a touchpad is more important to me then an app :) Aug 16 15:39:19 once I get my app out, then I'll have more money Aug 16 15:39:39 or get a job Aug 16 15:39:40 lololol Aug 16 15:39:49 that too Aug 16 15:39:50 cwayne: jobs are for suxors Aug 16 15:40:01 cwayne: developing is my job Aug 16 15:40:02 * oilsworkn looks around at all the suxors in office Aug 16 15:40:06 Tibfib: idk, im in london for free for my job right now Aug 16 15:40:17 humor lost. Aug 16 15:40:37 lol Aug 16 15:40:43 there was never any humor Aug 16 15:40:44 lol Aug 16 15:42:00 lol Aug 16 15:42:38 lots of lols for no humor Aug 16 15:43:11 lol Aug 16 15:43:42 yeah I've definitely spent more money than I've made developing Aug 16 15:44:20 this sums up jobs: http://i.imgur.com/QUloy.png Aug 16 15:44:54 hah Aug 16 15:46:30 Tibfib: I can confirm that NomNomNom isn't sorting the same way as the Reader site Aug 16 15:46:53 oh the bugs that show up AFTER you submit Aug 16 15:46:53 Adora is gonna be pissed! Aug 16 15:47:04 it does sort if you have feeds sorted manually Aug 16 15:47:12 but if you have it some other way, nomnomnom rejects you Aug 16 15:47:17 what do you mean sorted manually? Aug 16 15:50:26 Tibfib: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/Google%20Reader.png and https://www.box.net/shared/static/1cjl7iv3p7njygu2lgrl.png Aug 16 15:51:00 PJ Aug 16 15:51:03 ........... Aug 16 15:51:04 OH Aug 16 15:51:09 that's not what I was reffering to Aug 16 15:51:12 referring* Aug 16 15:51:23 lol @ PJ Aug 16 15:51:30 I don't sort any articles Aug 16 15:51:34 I show em how I get em Aug 16 15:51:37 =\ Aug 16 15:51:41 looks like they're in order Aug 16 15:51:53 on my Greader it's by oldest on NomNomNom it's newest Aug 16 15:52:07 lol Aug 16 15:52:07 twbbas: right Aug 16 15:52:11 I don't care about that Aug 16 15:52:17 at least nomnomnom doesn't Aug 16 15:52:25 s/push/unshift/ Aug 16 15:52:26 I'm talking about feed itself Aug 16 15:52:43 oh Aug 16 15:52:46 the icons, they are sorted by your settings Aug 16 15:52:49 ya Aug 16 15:52:52 I mean articles Aug 16 15:53:03 yeah, I'll add in a oldest/newest setting Aug 16 15:53:05 Future update? :D Aug 16 15:53:07 sweet Aug 16 15:53:12 I'd like that Aug 16 15:53:21 Any way you can get the reader settings though? Aug 16 15:53:25 perhaps Aug 16 15:54:17 yep found the setting Aug 16 15:54:19 I can do that Aug 16 15:54:22 WOOT Aug 16 15:54:28 although Aug 16 15:54:30 What about if I select "by magic" ;) Aug 16 15:54:33 I think I'll keep it a local setting Aug 16 15:54:35 ya Aug 16 15:54:39 either way works for me Aug 16 15:54:40 people will want to change it Aug 16 15:55:53 well I did have motivation to code Aug 16 15:56:01 until my submission got screwed Aug 16 15:56:06 bbl Aug 16 15:57:38 aww Aug 16 15:57:47 why have I got the "too many cards" error like 5 times this morning? Aug 16 15:57:59 Yesterday it was the BSOD on my laptop and today it's TMC on my touchpad Aug 16 15:58:02 cause your ram is full? Aug 16 15:58:18 * twbbas only has Spaz HD running Aug 16 15:58:23 fffffff. http://twitter.com/#!/rudy_pirquet/status/103494881414086656 Aug 16 15:58:25 well it's frozen Aug 16 15:58:27 well is it full? Aug 16 15:58:32 your ram? Aug 16 15:58:38 probably Aug 16 15:58:43 it shouldn't be though Aug 16 15:59:13 how much is there on that? 1g? Aug 16 15:59:25 ya Aug 16 15:59:37 any swap enabled too? Aug 16 15:59:57 no patches enabled and I'm running default 1.5GHz with uberkernel Aug 16 16:00:24 I think that should enable some swap... maybe Aug 16 16:00:30 what does govnah say about mem usage right now? Aug 16 16:00:39 can't open it lol Aug 16 16:00:44 ironic Aug 16 16:00:44 really Aug 16 16:00:48 that bad :) Aug 16 16:00:58 can you open a console on it then? Aug 16 16:01:06 or is that frozen too Aug 16 16:01:11 console? Aug 16 16:01:17 like terminal? Aug 16 16:01:24 yeah Aug 16 16:01:26 well Aug 16 16:01:29 I'd have to install it from preware Aug 16 16:01:34 and I can't open preware Aug 16 16:01:35 well Aug 16 16:01:35 lol Aug 16 16:01:36 yeah Aug 16 16:01:40 I meant from your computer maybe Aug 16 16:01:41 novaterm Aug 16 16:01:44 or ssh Aug 16 16:01:45 k 1 sec Aug 16 16:02:22 ok open what do I type? Aug 16 16:02:26 free Aug 16 16:02:50 Mem: 941452 total, 826184 used, 115268 free Aug 16 16:03:19 sounds not quite full.. your terminal session is not slow either? Aug 16 16:03:25 no Aug 16 16:03:33 ooo govnah opens up now Aug 16 16:03:43 oh I'm running palm default Aug 16 16:03:47 I thought I was overclocking Aug 16 16:03:52 I guess it switched back Aug 16 16:04:04 it switches back when you reboot from a crash I think Aug 16 16:04:11 or anyway, when you forcibly reboot :) Aug 16 16:04:11 hmm I don't think I crashed at all Aug 16 16:04:17 I might have Aug 16 16:04:28 like when you remove battery or use the power button + switch thingy Aug 16 16:04:44 maybe other situations do the same Aug 16 16:05:14 out of curiosity, does it say you have any swap enabled when you did that free command? Aug 16 16:06:05 swap: 524284 total, 46004 used, 478280 free Aug 16 16:07:47 time to patch up my device Aug 16 16:08:08 I was doctoring it twice daily last week Aug 16 16:08:22 so I didn't install any patches in case I would doctor again Aug 16 16:12:18 * PatrickC wishes that there was a Microsoft Office Express Aug 16 16:12:35 its called the ms office for students. Aug 16 16:12:42 its close enough to free to be free Aug 16 16:12:57 like how close? Aug 16 16:13:06 like 40 bucks for 3 pc's close Aug 16 16:13:17 wow Aug 16 16:13:26 * PatrickC will have to look into that Aug 16 16:14:22 forget how you get that price though. was a weird ms link. Aug 16 16:14:27 does photoshop have something like that that I don't know about? Aug 16 16:14:55 adobe stuff is %80 off if you are part of an approved educational institution Aug 16 16:15:21 * PatrickC doesn't think homeschooling is an approved educational institution... Aug 16 16:15:29 UNF might be though.. Aug 16 16:15:33 my dads college* Aug 16 16:15:49 have to be an active student/faculty member Aug 16 16:16:13 he's a lifetime member at FCC.. Aug 16 16:16:18 maybe that'll work.. Aug 16 16:16:27 Florida Community College* Aug 16 16:19:14 bbl, small claims court Aug 16 16:19:36 have fun Aug 16 16:19:46 i look nice, so it should be =) Aug 16 16:19:57 what's the claim on? Aug 16 16:19:57 plus i'm the small guy Aug 16 16:20:09 chuqui: fix the app cat! please :) Aug 16 16:20:26 capital one wants to take my money, even though i have none, nor a job, and haven't since the date of the claim Aug 16 16:20:29 PatrickC: yessir. right now sir. Aug 16 16:20:36 what's broken? Aug 16 16:20:57 k bbl Aug 16 16:21:17 Nomnomnom you can purchase, but not download Aug 16 16:21:19 and another app Aug 16 16:21:36 chuqui: Is there anywhere that has an explanation of the changes in build 124 for VZE? Aug 16 16:21:39 er, VZW Aug 16 16:22:42 IGNTNUNLMTD: not sure. I'll have to look. Aug 16 16:23:14 chuqui: https://www.box.net/shared/static/8axyv9hdqyd1gnuyvmx0.png Aug 16 16:24:05 * PatrickC is gonna let Adobe Creative Suite 5.5 install for the next.. err.. 3 hours Aug 16 16:24:14 OH CHUQUI Aug 16 16:24:21 hahaha Aug 16 16:24:21 Get my emails and tweets? Aug 16 16:24:27 lol Aug 16 16:24:28 yeah they're working on it Aug 16 16:24:36 that would be great to know Aug 16 16:24:43 which I haven't been informed. Aug 16 16:24:48 I reported it w/ a screenshot already Tibfib :) Aug 16 16:26:19 patrick has a touchpad? Aug 16 16:26:35 no Aug 16 16:26:42 twbbas does Aug 16 16:26:46 that was his screenshot Aug 16 16:26:50 I just linked to it Aug 16 16:27:07 chuqui: I'm already getting multiple tweets and emails from users who can't download it. Aug 16 16:27:14 this needs to get fixed or pulled ASAP. Aug 16 16:27:25 which I'm sure you know, just venting. Aug 16 16:28:06 YAY. an actual response Aug 16 16:28:12 from Palm. thanks adora Aug 16 16:28:37 PatrickC: package that up with whatever info you have and get it to pdc? I'll escalate. Aug 16 16:28:54 chuqui: I have no info Aug 16 16:28:58 * Tibfib wonders if chuqui /ignored me Aug 16 16:29:00 not even a touchpad yet Aug 16 16:29:03 okay Aug 16 16:29:11 that's from twbbas Aug 16 16:29:23 and the app is Tibfib's Aug 16 16:29:55 k Aug 16 16:29:57 passing the word. Aug 16 16:30:03 ok cool Aug 16 16:30:05 Tibfib_: Aug 16 16:30:10 will be happy* Aug 16 16:30:19 helllllllllooooooooo Aug 16 16:30:38 chuqui: Tibfib wants to know if you /ignore 'd him lol Aug 16 16:30:59 silence means yes ;-P Aug 16 16:31:34 apparently Aug 16 16:31:38 lol Aug 16 16:31:38 PatrickC: if you see tibfib, tell him no, I don't. Aug 16 16:32:00 he has said multiple things to you in the past few minutes.. Aug 16 16:32:13 Tibfib: (no, seriously. I don't. I LIKE you. REALLY) Aug 16 16:33:43 you know he's serious because of the caps Aug 16 16:34:45 ^ Aug 16 16:34:58 watching a Lifetime Movie... did i just say that.... Aug 16 16:35:00 LOL Aug 16 16:36:58 lol Aug 16 16:41:07 alright bbl time to go for a jog in 90 degree weather Aug 16 16:44:23 that doesnt sound fun Aug 16 16:47:12 okay, heard back. they're working to get NOMNOMNOM fixed. Aug 16 16:49:28 I've noticed this a couple times since 3.0.2 came out and I want to try and figure out what's causing it. I have 5 cards open and many have been open for hours. 2 of the cards have a scrim and spinner over them though neither app was doing anything - webOS appears to have put the scrim and spinner up itself. attempting to open cards results in "too many cards." Aug 16 16:50:08 tmc on touchpad? Aug 16 16:50:18 at least one of the apps is leaking memory Aug 16 16:50:40 Loudergood, that sounds plausible Aug 16 16:58:38 is there any way to see how much memory each app is using? they don't appear as separate pids in top or ps Aug 16 16:59:27 jstop? Aug 16 16:59:37 (its in preware) Aug 16 16:59:45 dunno if it works on 3.x or not Aug 16 17:00:18 chuqui: thanks Aug 16 17:00:27 there's another app that seems to have the issue as well Aug 16 17:02:48 Tibfib_: np Aug 16 17:05:37 Well considering the amount of tweets and emails I've been getting for an app with blank screenshots and app icons, nomnomnom might do decently Aug 16 17:05:49 oh wootoff, how you tempt me with your awesome deals and flashy lights Aug 16 17:06:00 or more likely, once the screenshots come, they'll stop caring Aug 16 17:06:18 Tibfib_: 0 stars! app has no icon or screenshots Aug 16 17:07:09 http://shirt.woot.com/ Aug 16 17:07:10 hehe nice Aug 16 17:07:22 * oilsworkn ordered one a few mins ago Aug 16 17:07:39 no joke Aug 16 17:09:16 http://shirt.woot.com/shirts/the-perfect-moment Aug 16 17:09:27 sooo many of those are worth buying Aug 16 17:09:52 http://shirt.woot.com/Shirts/it-came-out-of-nowhere is one of my favs Aug 16 17:09:53 the rock paper scissors one is good Aug 16 17:10:11 heeh, yeah that's a good one too Aug 16 17:10:32 when i wear it people dont get it :( Aug 16 17:10:35 http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=17741 Aug 16 17:10:48 http://shirt.woot.com/shirts/the-binge Aug 16 17:11:04 lol Aug 16 17:11:07 * oilsworkn has a lot of woot shirts Aug 16 17:11:16 * oilsworkn has the binge too Aug 16 17:11:23 not the zombie one Aug 16 17:11:40 zombie one is great Aug 16 17:11:50 yeah Aug 16 17:14:55 wikipedia one purchased Aug 16 17:15:19 heh Aug 16 17:15:44 lmao - http://android-press-release.com/ Aug 16 17:15:55 there was another zombie one that was better then that one though Aug 16 17:16:09 it had zombies breaking into a house with the same brain wordbubble things Aug 16 17:16:23 but then it had the scarecrow from the wizard of oz busting through the front door lookin for brains too Aug 16 17:16:36 hahaahahahah Aug 16 17:17:18 that I would buy for sure Aug 16 17:17:39 i think it was by the same guy Aug 16 17:18:05 * Tibfib_ must find Aug 16 17:18:41 lol http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=17373 Aug 16 17:19:04 lol http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=16285 Aug 16 17:19:35 yeah, the hotdog one was awesome Aug 16 17:19:54 hey al Aug 16 17:19:56 all* Aug 16 17:21:32 Tibfib_: http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=18864 Aug 16 17:22:01 oil: MUST HAVE SHIRT Aug 16 17:22:26 lol, its gone Aug 16 17:22:31 sometimes they bring back old designs though Aug 16 17:22:37 Hi, i have added a "shared folder" in to the emulator, but don't see it anywhere, I have check auto mount , but still not found it, any ideas? Aug 16 17:22:45 or sometimes the designers sell them elsewhere Aug 16 17:22:47 MUST HAVE SHIRT Aug 16 17:22:48 chuqui: ping Aug 16 17:22:52 * Tibfib_ googles like crazy Aug 16 17:22:55 yeah Aug 16 17:22:58 probably your best bet Aug 16 17:23:00 PatrickC: pong Aug 16 17:23:04 chuqui: pm? Aug 16 17:23:11 always Aug 16 17:23:23 pepone: i've never setup a shared folder with the webos emulator Aug 16 17:23:50 i dont think it will work without the "emulator tools" that you normally install into the guest os Aug 16 17:24:27 oilsworkn: aren't the tools alredy in the emulator image? Aug 16 17:24:33 it seems they are Aug 16 17:24:39 but for webos? Aug 16 17:24:55 idk, i've never tried Aug 16 17:24:56 i think so Aug 16 17:25:13 you should ssh into the emulator and try to mount it Aug 16 17:25:36 yes i try that, but i don't see a new device to mount Aug 16 17:25:39 (thats how you get the shared folder to work in a normal linux guest os) Aug 16 17:26:23 oilsworkn: "mount -t vboxxf myfolder /mnt/myfolder" don't work Aug 16 17:27:09 * Tibfib_ cant' decide whether he wants to buy the sandwich zombie shirt Aug 16 17:27:14 well, its vboxsf isn't it? Aug 16 17:28:09 i mean Aug 16 17:28:10 oilsworkn: i miss typed it here, but not working for me Aug 16 17:28:12 vboxfs Aug 16 17:29:19 then its probably not setup for shared folders Aug 16 17:30:55 careful Tibfib_, you may end up buying all the shirts Aug 16 17:30:55 haha Aug 16 17:31:14 heh Aug 16 17:31:19 I bought the wikipedia one Aug 16 17:31:22 oilsworkn: thanks, seems not supported https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=12226 Aug 16 17:31:38 the zombie one is the only one I'm considering Aug 16 17:31:42 we'll be twinzies Aug 16 17:31:45 lol Aug 16 17:31:57 * Tibfib_ buys it Aug 16 17:32:03 * halfhalo-work burns it Aug 16 17:32:16 i mean, the wikipedia one, i dont own the zombie one Aug 16 17:32:45 ah, well I'm buying it anyway Aug 16 17:32:47 :P Aug 16 17:32:54 lol Aug 16 17:32:59 BURN THE NONBELIEVERS Aug 16 17:33:02 my physics teach would appreciate this one: http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=20289 Aug 16 17:33:17 I can't buy a shirt that's toooo nerdy Aug 16 17:33:33 lol Aug 16 17:36:24 helo all Aug 16 17:36:58 hello Aug 16 17:37:30 hey Aug 16 17:37:33 Jag Wood, what a name Aug 16 17:38:01 newbie of Webos Aug 16 17:38:10 tibfib: so the old there are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those that don't wouldn't qualify? Aug 16 17:38:30 jaf0: yeah, that wouldn't qualify Aug 16 17:38:50 hey jaf0 Aug 16 17:38:59 sup sup. Aug 16 17:39:16 * jaf0 has to remember to leave quassel open now that he has a 24/7 internet connection ;) Aug 16 17:39:28 * jaf0 also needs to remember to update nick. Aug 16 17:41:26 bbl Aug 16 17:43:31 farewell wircer Aug 16 17:45:08 who has netflix streaming? Aug 16 17:45:12 ACTION  Aug 16 17:45:45 isn't a better question, who doesn't? :P Aug 16 17:45:49 !oil Aug 16 17:45:52 well for those that do Aug 16 17:45:53 http://vimeo.com/15590547 Aug 16 17:45:56 watch RUBBER Aug 16 17:45:56 lol Aug 16 17:45:59 its freaking AWESOME! Aug 16 17:46:04 a killer tire Aug 16 17:46:12 lol Aug 16 17:46:18 birds, a bunny, people.. epic! Aug 16 17:46:42 dawm: I started to watch that but it was pretty slow Aug 16 17:46:49 got 15 mins in and gave up Aug 16 17:46:49 oh it picks up Aug 16 17:47:25 HAHA Aug 16 17:47:25 it seriously makes no sense at all, but its good Aug 16 17:47:45 * PatrickC watched the trailer Aug 16 17:48:01 dawm: what was the order you used when switching from your pre- to pre2? Aug 16 17:48:08 ? Aug 16 17:48:16 (in regards to sprint, metadoctor, etc) Aug 16 17:48:25 i took the radio board out of my working pre-, put it in the pre2 then doctored Aug 16 17:48:59 HattCzech_work: looking to frankenpre? Aug 16 17:49:07 here i thought the original "who has netflix streaming" question was going to lead to a link to an ipk Aug 16 17:49:08 i have frankenpre'd Aug 16 17:49:14 ah Aug 16 17:49:18 oil, hah Aug 16 17:49:21 * oilsworkn is very disappointed in dawm Aug 16 17:49:28 oilsworkn: I was hoping so too :/ Aug 16 17:49:33 i wish Aug 16 17:49:44 i mean its possible if you could port over the iphone one Aug 16 17:50:22 hp should just drop a big bag of money on netflix Aug 16 17:50:31 to get them on the touchpad Aug 16 17:50:45 * HattCzech_work agrees with oilsworkn Aug 16 17:50:49 I'm shocked that they haven't Aug 16 17:51:00 yeah Aug 16 17:51:49 it took them forever to get on android Aug 16 17:51:56 my guess is it takes more than a big bag of money Aug 16 17:52:13 * PatrickC likes photoshop Aug 16 17:53:10 the barrier of entry is probably lesser now, for netflix Aug 16 17:53:25 the problem was that all their client-facing stuff was all C#, i.e. Silverlight Aug 16 17:53:29 so Android was a big deal Aug 16 17:53:29 theres a reason everyone steals buys photoshop Aug 16 17:53:32 it's probably less so Aug 16 17:53:32 aren't they already on windows phone 7 phone or whatever its called? Aug 16 17:53:47 they also have to work with their licensing too i think Aug 16 17:53:51 well, if its c# that makes sense Aug 16 17:53:54 dawm: do i need to turn off my backup profile before updating the pre2? Aug 16 17:53:55 windows phone series 7 phone 7 series alpha. Aug 16 17:54:00 HattCzech_work, yes Aug 16 17:54:12 sadly it will delete your backed up contacts and whatnot Aug 16 17:54:18 but apps will reappear Aug 16 17:54:23 the browser plugin runs in silverlight so I'm not surprised about that Aug 16 17:54:25 (and i ended up using ALL of the pre2, including the gps wires... tucked them back near the camera... but now it doesn't work, so i need to check the wires) Aug 16 17:54:26 i have all my calendar and contacts on google so im goo Aug 16 17:54:44 i think you may have mixed em up? Aug 16 17:54:46 yeah, i don't use the "palm profile" stuff Aug 16 17:54:49 white goes nearest the battery Aug 16 17:54:55 black goes to the bottom Aug 16 17:54:57 iirc Aug 16 17:55:04 borrect Aug 16 17:55:08 correct* Aug 16 17:55:13 and that's how i have them Aug 16 17:55:27 you didnt kink the wire did you? Aug 16 17:55:30 when i was bending the black one, it felt kinda brittle, so i need to check it Aug 16 17:55:36 its like a tiny coaxial wire Aug 16 17:55:43 hmmm Aug 16 17:55:53 might be fubared then... Aug 16 17:56:05 i cut mine thinking i could solder em shorter (cut em on the ebay pre- that i practiced with) Aug 16 17:56:25 i was thinking the same thing (if i ended up f'ing it up) Aug 16 17:56:31 sounds like not so much? Aug 16 17:56:33 yeah not gonna happen ;p Aug 16 17:56:37 damn Aug 16 17:56:44 the internal wire is like a fiber Aug 16 17:56:58 most of the wire is actually insulation and sheilding Aug 16 17:57:04 i CAN de-solder the old wires and slap them on the new one, but that'll be just as difficult Aug 16 17:58:18 desoldering braid or soldersucker? go! Aug 16 17:58:19 i was hoping i wouldn't have to do that Aug 16 17:59:00 probably braid (or old wire) Aug 16 17:59:08 i don't have a soldersucker Aug 16 17:59:13 so that's a no-go Aug 16 17:59:55 dawm: when did you call sprint to switch imei's? Aug 16 18:00:01 after the doctor and disabling of backup? Aug 16 18:00:34 i didnt Aug 16 18:00:38 i used my active pre Aug 16 18:00:45 ohhh ok Aug 16 18:00:46 didnt have to tell sprint anything Aug 16 18:00:53 the broken pre- was for playing? Aug 16 18:00:54 activate the sprint pre before dismantling it Aug 16 18:01:55 oilsworkn: i have two... my current pre- and my frankenpre2 Aug 16 18:02:14 i need to activate the new one... but i need to know which order to do it in Aug 16 18:03:50 w000t, nomnomnom published Aug 16 18:04:17 :D Aug 16 18:04:20 thought it already was Aug 16 18:04:28 it was half-published Aug 16 18:06:47 oilsworkn: it was "ready for review" Aug 16 18:07:01 nomnomnom? Aug 16 18:07:13 NOMNOMNOM Aug 16 18:07:17 HattCzech_work, you dont have to activate anything Aug 16 18:07:18 go nom your noms folks! Aug 16 18:07:19 ready for review but visible in-catalog? Aug 16 18:07:24 oilsworkn: yeah Aug 16 18:07:24 take the radio out of youre pre- andput it in the pre2 Aug 16 18:07:27 it was totally borked Aug 16 18:07:28 weirds Aug 16 18:07:28 doctor and your done Aug 16 18:07:36 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.app.nomnomnom Aug 16 18:07:45 but i have a pre- board already in the pre2 :) Aug 16 18:07:51 from the pre- i got off ebay Aug 16 18:07:57 oh Aug 16 18:08:02 you have to put that back in the pre0 Aug 16 18:08:04 er pre- Aug 16 18:08:06 now you see the dilemma? Aug 16 18:08:09 then activate it w/ sprint Aug 16 18:08:17 then take it back and put it in the pre2 Aug 16 18:08:22 ohhhhh snap Aug 16 18:08:24 the pre2 cant do the provisioning to activate it Aug 16 18:08:34 i was gonna do that too, but i said eff it Aug 16 18:08:39 and tossed in my working pre- board Aug 16 18:08:45 used the ebay pre- as practice Aug 16 18:08:53 gotcha Aug 16 18:09:13 european Pre 3 available from Palm Europe Aug 16 18:09:36 hmmm, well that makes things more interesting Aug 16 18:10:02 GYMKHANA 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 16 18:10:43 * esser karate chops a touchpad. Aug 16 18:10:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btViXvIDsi0 Aug 16 18:11:57 * oilsworkn starts rumor: palm hasn't announce anything about pre3 because its only going to eu Aug 16 18:12:24 Just to show off, my TouchPad should arrive TODAY, so, dev continues :D Aug 16 18:12:54 yay touchpad Aug 16 18:13:23 NuttyBunny: Nice Aug 16 18:14:04 yep, this is going to be loads of fun. PuffTheMagic, will you sell TIDE? Or I'm going to donate for it? :) Aug 16 18:14:04 OMG Aug 16 18:14:09 EMT is in GYM4 Aug 16 18:15:06 catalog tide won't be unjailed, limited to editing media/internal Aug 16 18:15:36 "Graphics by @dnlpsn. A++ designer!" Aug 16 18:15:39 haha Tibfib Aug 16 18:15:43 "Would design again!" Aug 16 18:15:49 hahaah Aug 16 18:18:17 * oilsworkn needs to get himself a pre3 Aug 16 18:18:31 * Tibfib too Aug 16 18:19:11 lol, Tibfib bought shirt too early Aug 16 18:19:12 http://www.woot.com/ Aug 16 18:19:29 dangit Aug 16 18:19:53 oh, that reminds me, i got a coupon for a discounted t somewhere Aug 16 18:19:55 oilsworkn: mmm... well, I'll buy TIDE and use TIDE homebrew edition :D Aug 16 18:19:57 shmeh $3 Aug 16 18:20:31 because one of the shirts i received had a "error" in that the guy had no hair, so they sent me a coupon Aug 16 18:20:48 * oilsworkn should have used it :( Aug 16 18:21:23 LOL Aug 16 18:21:32 what shirt was it? Aug 16 18:21:36 how did he not have hair? Aug 16 18:21:42 screenprinting error Aug 16 18:21:51 dawm: what did you end up doing with your pre2 body ring with gps cables? Aug 16 18:21:58 oilsworkn: was it blank or was he bald? Aug 16 18:22:06 searching gmail for woot may be interesting Aug 16 18:22:41 put it in the pre2 box along with the rest of the spare parts ;p Aug 16 18:22:45 lol, the emails subject was "T-Shirt Pattern Baldness" Aug 16 18:22:53 * Tibfib wants forward Aug 16 18:23:08 and a link to a pdk to show you how to fix it yourself, lol Aug 16 18:23:11 http://files.woot.com/ToupeeApplicationGuide.pdf Aug 16 18:23:11 if i can't get mine working with my cables, would you mind shipping it to me (i'll pay you)? Aug 16 18:23:49 oilsworkn: oh so it happened to lots of peeps? Aug 16 18:23:57 on the one design Aug 16 18:24:04 nice Aug 16 18:24:33 Adora: Thanks! NomNomNom looks to be in teh clear Aug 16 18:24:54 Tibfib: http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=19375 Aug 16 18:25:18 hahaahaha nice Aug 16 18:25:36 what a great movie Aug 16 18:25:49 yeah Aug 16 18:26:11 lol, they have good writers, the email is just as funny as their descriptions usually are Aug 16 18:26:20 "As you may or may not have noticed, the "Poison" Shirt.Woot tee you bought is suffering from premature - or at least unintentional - baldness. On some number of the shirts, a printing error omitted a square of hair from one of the characters. As embarrassing as it is for that guy, it's even more embarrassing for us. " Aug 16 18:26:35 haaha Aug 16 18:26:40 woot is a great company Aug 16 18:28:36 Tibfib: I demand a coupon for NomNomNom ;) (in exchange for one of my apps) hehehe Aug 16 18:28:46 oh? Aug 16 18:28:50 hahahah Aug 16 18:28:52 j/k Aug 16 18:28:55 y u no want purchase? Aug 16 18:28:55 oh, PatrickC is just in time to learn C++0x Aug 16 18:29:08 nah, I'm gonna buy it :) Aug 16 18:29:11 I am? Aug 16 18:29:23 its the new standard now Aug 16 18:29:30 http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/08/16/178227/C0x-Finally-Becomes-a-Standard?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Feedfetcher&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher Aug 16 18:29:31 Tibfib: in fact, I'll get Koto right now Aug 16 18:29:37 ugh.. wirc broke again.. brb Aug 16 18:29:44 lolololol Aug 16 18:29:49 broke again? Aug 16 18:29:54 I saw nothing after I said "I am?" Aug 16 18:29:55 yeah Aug 16 18:29:59 it wouldn't scroll Aug 16 18:30:03 hm Aug 16 18:30:15 and flicking the screen up == nothing? Aug 16 18:30:20 and I couldn't click on users nicks to copy/pm/etc. Aug 16 18:30:20 oilsworkn: webOS bug\ Aug 16 18:30:21 yep Aug 16 18:30:21 PatrickC: scroll back then forward, you should see everything Aug 16 18:30:25 happens all the time Aug 16 18:30:29 NuttyBunny: nope Aug 16 18:30:32 doesn't fix it Aug 16 18:30:45 happens to me in spaz mojo all the time Aug 16 18:30:48 pain in butt Aug 16 18:30:53 Tibfib: There, downloading Koto App Cat edition :) Aug 16 18:31:01 nice! Aug 16 18:31:03 thanks! Aug 16 18:31:13 Tibfib: in spaz you can just click on a message and it fixes it usually Aug 16 18:31:19 wirc isn't that way Aug 16 18:31:58 lol Aug 16 18:32:04 * halfhalo-work wants pre3 naokthxbi Aug 16 18:32:19 bbl Aug 16 18:32:25 that coming from a hp slave makes me concerned Aug 16 18:32:30 you don't get one just for being there? Aug 16 18:32:31 * NuttyBunny will buy Koto TP edition Aug 16 18:32:57 not for being an intern. and not when I'm out of here next thurs. Aug 16 18:33:07 aww Aug 16 18:33:27 so you're there, everyone is walking around talking about how awesome their free pre3 is? Aug 16 18:33:45 wirc, sometimes scrolling up and down works Aug 16 18:33:51 next thursday you're finished? Aug 16 18:33:57 efff you auto-correct Aug 16 18:34:03 sometimes clicking gives you a brief popup as if it was going to do a copy menu, then it goes away Aug 16 18:34:05 * Tibfib_ makes spaz columns "@tiffin" Aug 16 18:34:06 and scroll does nothing Aug 16 18:34:22 hm Aug 16 18:34:43 Tibfib_: LOL it corrects your name to @tiffin when I try to mention you Aug 16 18:35:05 why is tibfib not in your dictionary? Aug 16 18:35:14 WHY ISN"T IT BUILT IN???? Aug 16 18:35:24 why isn't veer in the dictionary Aug 16 18:35:34 dwc- or PatrickC and repeatable steps to make it happen? Aug 16 18:35:42 no Aug 16 18:35:44 oilsworkn: nope Aug 16 18:35:49 makes it hard to fix :( Aug 16 18:35:55 it's a webOS2.1 bug Aug 16 18:35:57 you probably have a tiffin in your contacts list Aug 16 18:36:01 happens everywhere Aug 16 18:36:07 oilsworkn: nope Aug 16 18:36:10 I get an odd autocorrect to a name in my contacts occasionally Aug 16 18:36:17 same here Aug 16 18:36:45 every time i email this chick Cristy, outlook spellchecker wants to change her name to Crusty Aug 16 18:36:55 oilsworkn: dont fight it Aug 16 18:36:56 just go with it Aug 16 18:36:57 haahahahahahahahaha Aug 16 18:37:01 and I laugh every time Aug 16 18:37:20 loll Aug 16 18:37:58 okay, for reals bbl Aug 16 18:38:58 no Aug 16 18:39:01 you cannot leave Aug 16 18:39:16 Ah!! unlocked Pre 3 available from Palm Europe! cool :) Aug 16 18:40:40 your hate for unlocked, contract-free lives is why you can't have nice things, america Aug 16 18:40:44 * esser scolds. Aug 16 18:41:31 no contract here Aug 16 18:41:37 @sprint Aug 16 18:41:56 whats the point of not having a contract if you're on a CDMA carrier? Aug 16 18:42:26 my contract ended last month, im free of ETF Aug 16 18:42:37 you still need to get a new phone to switch Aug 16 18:42:53 no not really Aug 16 18:43:03 i could switch to ATT and swap radio's back Aug 16 18:43:12 or VZW and doctor Aug 16 18:43:17 ah yes, because swapping radios is obviously preferable to switching out a sim card. Aug 16 18:43:29 its pretty simple Aug 16 18:43:29 and definitely puts a lot of pressure on teh carriers to not be douchenuggets Aug 16 18:43:31 because everyone can do it Aug 16 18:44:22 dawm: you can't switch radios from a Pre 3 :P Aug 16 18:44:32 you can Aug 16 18:44:35 but its not gonna work ;p Aug 16 18:44:36 esser: we -the people- don't hate unlocked contract-free lives Aug 16 18:44:49 its the corporations that wont let us be free Aug 16 18:45:46 even the talk of "oh, lte will bring all the companies together, we can be like the eu" is over Aug 16 18:46:07 att and vzw won't use the same frequency and block the phones from one another just so we can't have choice Aug 16 18:47:41 http://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark/webpro/ <- this is AMAZING Aug 16 18:47:45 tons of free tools Aug 16 18:47:52 and free to sign up Aug 16 18:48:05 lol Aug 16 18:49:13 Visual Studio 2010 Professional Web Installer (x86) - (English) <- one of the many free tools Aug 16 18:49:25 and the DVD Aug 16 18:49:29 ohh a DVD Aug 16 18:49:45 hey, a wircer Aug 16 18:49:58 hey lol Aug 16 18:49:59 hey! ponies! :P Aug 16 18:50:12 ISO download.. lol Aug 16 18:50:47 wirc works surprisingly good :D Aug 16 18:52:19 is there a way to export the installed package list from a webos device? Aug 16 18:52:32 save/restore Aug 16 18:52:44 well Aug 16 18:52:53 that does homebrew Aug 16 18:52:59 list of installed catalog apps are in your profile Aug 16 18:53:11 save/restore just does the data Aug 16 18:53:17 it doesnt reinstall the apps Aug 16 18:53:26 (and the list of installed preware apps) Aug 16 18:53:29 i think preware does something tho Aug 16 18:53:33 dawm: it backs up the saved package list of preware Aug 16 18:53:40 oh mine didnt Aug 16 18:53:45 but it could be 1.4.5 -> 2.x Aug 16 18:53:52 so might not have worked Aug 16 18:53:57 it works Aug 16 18:53:59 I did it Aug 16 18:54:19 save/restore backs up the installed preware apps list right? Aug 16 18:54:40 yes Aug 16 18:54:43 yeah Aug 16 18:54:43 cuz that's all I ask, I know catalog apps are backed up thru palm profile Aug 16 18:54:50 ok thx Aug 16 18:55:14 gotta chk it out Aug 16 18:55:34 another wircer! Aug 16 18:55:45 lol Aug 16 18:56:14 anyone used WebStorm for doing WebOS dev? Seems to be the nicest editor for this kind of stuff I've come across Aug 16 18:56:32 notepad Aug 16 18:56:35 ftw Aug 16 18:56:35 haha Aug 16 18:56:40 just kidding Aug 16 18:56:42 i use komodo Aug 16 18:56:46 vim Aug 16 18:56:46 * oilsworkn_ uses eclipse Aug 16 18:56:53 cross platform Aug 16 18:57:09 eclipse with viPlugin! Aug 16 18:57:13 vim is also cross platform.. Aug 16 18:57:22 so is eclipse Aug 16 18:57:23 lol Aug 16 18:57:29 * NuttyBunny uses ed Aug 16 18:57:41 so I just backup Preware's data using save/restore right? Aug 16 18:57:44 .... Aug 16 18:57:48 ed man, man ed! Aug 16 18:58:01 NuttyBunny: ed...? Aug 16 18:58:03 you go into preware Aug 16 18:58:08 and save the package list Aug 16 18:58:08 * Rainarrow don't know how to use ed Aug 16 18:58:09 then go into save/restore Aug 16 18:58:13 and save the list to media/internal Aug 16 18:58:22 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 joins the wircer fun Aug 16 18:58:39 ah, but you changed your username so i can't tell your a wircer except for the _pre2 Aug 16 18:58:46 PatrickC: the most basic editor, line per line Aug 16 18:58:51 its nuttybunny@ not wircer@ Aug 16 18:58:53 lol Aug 16 18:59:05 ok I see, thx Aug 16 18:59:45 pixi has better keybd than Pres Aug 16 19:00:05 * oilsworkn_ goes to lunch Aug 16 19:00:49 * Rainarrow goes to backup his device Aug 16 19:01:16 * PatrickC is gonna upgrade to VS Pro Aug 16 19:03:09 oil, Y U NO SEE THAT I FIXED IT? :P Aug 16 19:07:03 brb Aug 16 19:08:45 bbl Aug 16 19:21:06 Exhibition mode is under the settings tab, right? Aug 16 19:21:11 * akanster is going from memory Aug 16 19:26:55 NuttyBunny: i have a donation link up for Tide, it will always be free in Preware regardless if I try and sell it... just like wIRC Aug 16 19:27:14 oh yeah Aug 16 19:27:26 PuffTheMagic: is it in Preware public feeds now? Aug 16 19:27:32 err, non-testing? Aug 16 19:28:15 funkatron: naa it still in testing right now, still have some basic features I want to implement before I push it out to main feeds Aug 16 19:28:21 and now wIRC devel has kicked back up Aug 16 19:28:34 so im distracted with that Aug 16 19:30:05 right Aug 16 19:30:33 people should just pay me to screw around with codebases instead of actually working Aug 16 19:30:42 howdy Aug 16 19:30:46 lol Aug 16 19:30:50 PuffTheMagic: one project down, 1.5 more to go Aug 16 19:31:08 last night I tuned the frequency scaling in govnah, the defaults seem much too conservative. Aug 16 19:31:28 I figure it should scale back when idle, but interactivity should generally at least get one core running fast. Aug 16 19:32:04 I figure keeping CPU low for interactivity is sort of a false gain, as things take longer, so you are spending more time doing them, and thus the screen is on more. Aug 16 19:32:40 rwhitby: linuxjacques, jhojho^^ Aug 16 19:33:12 drobbins: if you have some patches or tell us what the settings are we can probably integrate them into future releases of govnah Aug 16 19:33:28 PuffTheMagic: no patches, just tweaking the settings via the UI. Aug 16 19:33:33 I set the threshold lower than normal. Aug 16 19:34:06 I don't know how to use ondemand-tcl so I am just using ondemand with defaults that work better for me. Aug 16 19:34:25 sampling rate 0.01 sec, up threshold 50%, powersave bias 5. Aug 16 19:34:38 min freq 192Mhz, max 1.512GHz Aug 16 19:35:08 drobbins: I should add a drobbins profile in govnah Aug 16 19:35:23 heh, well I could change it again in a few days ;) Aug 16 19:36:43 but it seems pretty decent Aug 16 19:36:57 basically I am trying to get it low when idle, but making it pop up when there is anything going on. Aug 16 19:37:25 I want the CPU to hit the max frequency often so I actually benefit from that frequency. Aug 16 19:38:02 I do think the defaults in govnah aren't great for uberkernel. It doesn't really show off the 1.5GHz speed. Aug 16 19:57:08 Can we trust dl numbers yet? Aug 16 19:58:07 lol Aug 16 19:58:16 my tp just tried to update it and it failed Aug 16 19:58:33 Tibfib_: WELP Aug 16 19:58:57 oil: nomnomnom? Aug 16 19:59:01 funkatron: DERP Aug 16 19:59:05 yeah Aug 16 19:59:09 is it over 9000? Aug 16 19:59:20 oil: can't get it for freee Aug 16 19:59:27 lol Aug 16 19:59:51 kevets: nomnomnom is over 900 Aug 16 19:59:55 and 9000 Aug 16 20:00:20 NomNomNom created double rainbows, intrudes beds, and is over 9000. Aug 16 20:00:53 that's pretty great Aug 16 20:01:52 what's nomnomnom? Aug 16 20:01:57 and feel free to add something about nyan cat in there Aug 16 20:02:09 linuxjacques: http://tibfib.com/index.php/2011/08/nomnomnom-for-google-reader/ Aug 16 20:02:23 Tibfib_: thanks Aug 16 20:03:13 Tibfib_: add NomNomNom to "webOS Applications" in the right column. Aug 16 20:03:26 ah yeah Aug 16 20:03:27 need to do that Aug 16 20:05:04 I may have gotten more downloads for nomnomnom today than I have total for koto Aug 16 20:05:09 cool, another app to buy with my promo credit Aug 16 20:05:29 linuxjacques: thanks! Aug 16 20:05:41 bbl Aug 16 20:05:45 Tibfib_: I'm buying it as soon as I get home (where my tp is) Aug 16 20:06:06 :) Aug 16 20:07:07 raking in the big bucks man! Aug 16 20:07:48 how does it work out for developers anyway, do you get most of each app purchase or does some go to HP? Aug 16 20:07:55 * oil doesnt use google reader, but has $50 credit and may spend some on nomnomnom because tibfib is a nice guy Aug 16 20:07:57 70/30 split Aug 16 20:08:52 so kinda like what the apple store does Aug 16 20:09:03 yup Aug 16 20:09:15 we even get real money... not HP bucks Aug 16 20:09:33 I think the 30% cut is fair Aug 16 20:09:46 They don't charge us for being a developer or charge us per app submitted Aug 16 20:10:00 some dont like it though Aug 16 20:10:07 yeah and there's no paid apps in preware Aug 16 20:11:38 dealing with selling crap in preware sounds like a nightmare id rather not have Aug 16 20:11:38 haha Aug 16 20:13:55 i've spent 2 dollars of my 50 credit Aug 16 20:14:07 i got Radiant HD Aug 16 20:14:33 i think its gonna take me a year to spend the remaining 48 Aug 16 20:14:39 * NuttyBunny is back Aug 16 20:14:49 PuffTheMagic: get NDrive :P Aug 16 20:14:55 well, you dont get that long Aug 16 20:14:55 NDrive? Aug 16 20:15:00 it expires in january no? Aug 16 20:15:06 oh maybe Aug 16 20:15:10 that is so lame Aug 16 20:15:11 wasn't NDrive abour 40-50? Aug 16 20:15:13 lol Aug 16 20:15:17 oh Aug 16 20:15:18 ya Aug 16 20:15:21 lot of use that will do me Aug 16 20:15:24 (plus maps) Aug 16 20:15:25 on my TP with no GPS Aug 16 20:15:35 get a bt gps ;) Aug 16 20:15:37 * NuttyBunny has one Aug 16 20:15:44 no Aug 16 20:15:54 * oil goes back to work Aug 16 20:16:03 i keep a sim city birds eye perspective map in my mind Aug 16 20:16:04 i dont need GPS Aug 16 20:16:25 PuffTheMagic: I bought radiant hd too Aug 16 20:22:07 I have about $30 left of mine Aug 16 20:24:47 anyone has exhibition mode experience with enyo? Aug 16 20:24:54 * akanster kinda Aug 16 20:25:25 having weird issues with my app - once it's started in exhibition, it won't start again from launcher Aug 16 20:25:40 probably since there's that backgrounded app still running Aug 16 20:25:56 yeah, the example that comes with the SDK doesn't work Aug 16 20:26:14 you need a headless app Aug 16 20:26:27 it's easiest to just make a headless app and check for windo parameters, then launch the right one. if dockMode: true, that's exhibition Aug 16 20:26:29 there's a better example in the forums Aug 16 20:26:59 Can you donate palm app store credit money? Aug 16 20:27:00 lol Aug 16 20:27:09 ah, thought i was missing something Aug 16 20:27:20 thanks, will look for that example Aug 16 20:27:34 qillerneu: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17192 Aug 16 20:27:50 even better, thanks a lot! Aug 16 20:29:59 blah blah blah Aug 16 20:37:57 HP has the patent to the smartphone and tablet lol Aug 16 20:38:22 Soft Tacos FTW!!!: http://ragecomics.memebase.com/2011/06/08/rage-comics-soft-tacos-are-superior-just-sayin/ Aug 16 20:44:16 http://www.conceivablytech.com/8876/business/hp-filed-touchpad-patent-already-in-2009 Aug 16 20:53:08 oh I guess it's still being approved Aug 16 20:58:01 what's up twbbas? Aug 16 20:58:12 hi Aug 16 20:58:18 You know how HP has the patent to the smartphone? Aug 16 20:58:27 They filed a patent for the modern tablet back in 2009 Aug 16 20:58:39 really? Aug 16 20:58:41 wow Aug 16 20:58:51 http://www.conceivablytech.com/8876/business/hp-filed-touchpad-patent-already-in-2009 Aug 16 21:00:37 why does vs pro have to be almost 3gb? Aug 16 21:00:44 * PatrickC got a vs pro license :) Aug 16 21:01:08 twbbas: is vs pro worth it? Aug 16 21:01:15 idk Aug 16 21:01:33 well.. you have ult? Aug 16 21:04:57 Yeah Aug 16 21:05:04 I don't know what's different Aug 16 21:05:21 depends what you want to do with it… i have ultimate, and use mostly express in my little win vm on os x :) Aug 16 21:05:50 http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?posts/5627/ Aug 16 21:06:05 vs pro is quite enough for most of developing Aug 16 21:06:24 that's good to know Aug 16 21:06:33 I got a license for it free from microsoft Aug 16 21:06:48 %s/vs pro/gcc/ Aug 16 21:07:15 * PatrickC is on windows Aug 16 21:07:23 I don't want to set up cygwin for gcc Aug 16 21:07:25 %s/windows/debian/ Aug 16 21:07:53 I don't want to install debian on my desktop Aug 16 21:07:56 %s/PatrickC/(null)/ Aug 16 21:08:00 <_< Aug 16 21:08:09 if I do anything, it'll be ubuntu dualboot Aug 16 21:08:54 debian > ubuntu ;) Aug 16 21:09:01 only for philosophy though Aug 16 21:09:06 but debian doesn't have WUBI :) Aug 16 21:09:14 I don't want to re-partition Aug 16 21:09:21 so resize your partition ;) Aug 16 21:09:33 I don't want to do that either ;) Aug 16 21:09:41 I'm happy with windows/ubuntu Aug 16 21:09:50 actually I just installed fedora on what was my debian partition Aug 16 21:09:57 more learning experience Aug 16 21:10:04 Loudergood: so you like pain, huh? Aug 16 21:10:35 well...I feel like it's something I should know if I want to pad my resume with linux Aug 16 21:10:46 but I don't mind pain so much Aug 16 21:11:02 I usually run debian sid, with various packages pulled from experimental Aug 16 21:11:05 until it breaks Aug 16 21:12:24 please, someone block ragecomics in all my machines............ Aug 16 21:15:51 NuttyBunny: permission to break into your switch? Aug 16 21:16:17 wait... just 3 more pages till page 100 :D Aug 16 21:16:50 * esser routes all of NuttyBunny's traffic to Internet2. Aug 16 21:17:26 mmm... that's still empty, isn't it? ;) Aug 16 21:17:41 * NuttyBunny closes 27 tabs of ragebuilder stuff Aug 16 21:18:49 exactly Aug 16 21:21:20 damn, that thing is evil Aug 16 21:28:01 NuttyBunny: link? Aug 16 21:29:05 http://i.imgur.com/QS4Oh.jpg - bwahaha Aug 16 21:30:08 HAHAHAHA Aug 16 21:31:10 how does that even happen lol Aug 16 21:31:13 typical lexus driver Aug 16 21:32:28 and he/she went all the way in. All 4 wheels deep into it Aug 16 21:33:33 yeah Aug 16 21:33:40 and it doesnt look like there was much momentum there Aug 16 21:33:47 so instead of slamming the brake and putting it in reverse Aug 16 21:33:51 douche tried to power through it Aug 16 21:33:57 ..through wet concrete. Aug 16 21:34:02 as i said; typical lexus driver Aug 16 21:34:55 hmm no splatter on wheel fenders if the wheels were spinning Aug 16 21:35:04 rear wheel drive Aug 16 21:35:10 it was on pavement most of the way Aug 16 21:35:13 and then plop Aug 16 21:35:20 hmm yeah guess so lol Aug 16 21:35:22 idiot Aug 16 21:35:29 *the driver not you Aug 16 21:35:32 i figured. Aug 16 21:35:38 my car never landed in wet concrete Aug 16 21:35:40 hence, deduction Aug 16 21:36:25 there was a great pic of some asian woman who landed her car on a ram pthat was being built that was just redic Aug 16 21:36:36 people have no limit to stupidity Aug 16 21:36:48 yeah. you build a better car, someone will build a better idiot Aug 16 21:37:35 ha! Aug 16 21:38:22 twbbas, link to... what? :) Aug 16 21:38:55 reminds me of the guy that bought the NOS energy drink and put it in his bike's gas tank because he thought it was really Nitrous Oxide Aug 16 21:39:20 NuttyBunny: I just added ragecomics to my NomNomNom Aug 16 21:39:25 thx for the tip Aug 16 21:39:56 :D Aug 16 21:54:23 http://cheezburger.com/View/5074902016 Aug 16 21:54:24 lol Aug 16 21:57:19 so whats the deal with the Euro pre3s? Are they just "on preorder" or are they actually shipping now? Aug 16 21:57:42 shipping Aug 16 21:57:47 they say ship in 1-2 days Aug 16 21:57:59 so like you pick overnight and you get it tomorrow? Aug 16 21:58:01 and another UK seller can have it delivered next day Aug 16 21:58:04 probably Aug 16 21:58:08 with 2.2 and enyo? Aug 16 21:58:12 probably Aug 16 21:58:19 if that's what it comes with Aug 16 21:58:28 thanks for the heads up HP. jesus. Aug 16 21:58:34 lol Aug 16 21:59:47 rwatkins: agreed Aug 16 22:03:04 thought I'd be all cool and have my enyo app ported and in the store for release, highlightling the cross device UI flexibility of enyo and the great syncing features ... Aug 16 22:03:10 but ... no. Aug 16 22:07:00 rwatkins: yeah, there's no way in hell this would be enough time to do all that 8) Aug 16 22:10:09 what did I miss? Aug 16 22:11:17 NuttyBunny_Pre2: ping Aug 16 22:13:49 pong Aug 16 22:14:38 see PM ;) Aug 16 22:22:38 * PatrickC has already downloaded 4gb data over wifi this month :) Aug 16 22:22:56 i hit 10 last month Aug 16 22:23:07 and that is with out downloading movies or music Aug 16 22:23:14 Hey Aug 16 22:23:18 wow Aug 16 22:23:26 hey tomhut Aug 16 22:23:38 First time here *waves* Aug 16 22:23:50 Hey PatrickC Aug 16 22:23:58 how's it goin? Aug 16 22:24:21 Very good thanks, trying to persuade myself to buy a touchpad now the price has dropped (UK here) Aug 16 22:24:23 yourself? Aug 16 22:24:47 so do they have a developer pre3 yet Aug 16 22:24:53 goin good Aug 16 22:24:55 CTLAdvance: NO Aug 16 22:24:59 stop teasing :P Aug 16 22:25:09 I should be ordering my tp today... forrealz Aug 16 22:25:59 lol Aug 16 22:26:11 I need to see if the loaner device supports the discount Aug 16 22:26:15 otherwise its going back Aug 16 22:26:18 it does Aug 16 22:26:21 and I will buy one Aug 16 22:26:34 Even though I received it before the price drop Aug 16 22:26:36 ? Aug 16 22:26:36 if after 60 days you don't return it, they charge you at your discount Aug 16 22:26:41 Yes Aug 16 22:26:50 But the price at the time was 599 Aug 16 22:26:58 I need to see if that adjusts Aug 16 22:27:01 what is it now? Aug 16 22:27:04 499 Aug 16 22:27:09 for 32GB?! Aug 16 22:27:12 yes Aug 16 22:27:16 didnt you know this Aug 16 22:27:16 wow Aug 16 22:27:18 >? Aug 16 22:27:23 WTHHYBD Aug 16 22:27:32 man... Aug 16 22:27:45 I'm happy :D Aug 16 22:27:55 I get it for $324 now :D Aug 16 22:28:16 I should be getting mine for about 250 Aug 16 22:28:27 come 12/3 I will qualify for the extra 10% Aug 16 22:28:32 2 years in the catalog Aug 16 22:28:44 tomhut: do it do it Aug 16 22:30:03 Haha Aug 16 22:30:18 Saving for a wedding, can only justify one tablet Aug 16 22:31:16 Have they released a developer touchpad 4g yet? Aug 16 22:31:24 And trying to persuade myself I don't want Cupertinos unicorn-rainbow-magical-worldpeace bearing device Aug 16 22:32:09 you can not nom your nomnomnom on the iPad. Aug 16 22:32:15 jaf0: ping Aug 16 22:32:26 Tibfib haha indeed Aug 16 22:32:29 well do you like pain, or do you like to not have to worry about your device, just working Aug 16 22:32:30 CTLAdvance: I've only been with webos for a year and I get the loyalty Aug 16 22:32:31 ask Aug 16 22:32:46 I will Aug 16 22:32:50 ping Aug 16 22:33:00 what did you mean on that fb wall post? Aug 16 22:33:41 Am I the only one who thinks cards should be scaled much smaller so you can get more cards on the screen? Aug 16 22:33:53 CTLAdvance: umm, kind of Aug 16 22:34:02 mojo cards would be cool Aug 16 22:34:16 I liked the ability to zoom out Aug 16 22:34:29 Yes, miss that in 2.0+ Aug 16 22:34:31 now I can get access to less apps when multitasking then IOS Aug 16 22:35:09 I wonder if PatrickC could patch that Aug 16 22:35:19 tap outside of cards view to zoom out Aug 16 22:35:23 can't be serious Aug 16 22:35:42 and also have the ability to see 5 cards on the screen, 3 full cards, and 2 cards where you see half Aug 16 22:35:54 it could scale based on how many cards open Aug 16 22:35:58 1 card normal size Aug 16 22:36:02 CTLAdvance: it was in 1.4.5 Aug 16 22:36:03 2 cards both fit Aug 16 22:36:05 submit it as a feature request Aug 16 22:36:07 look at the source Aug 16 22:36:25 twbbas you talking to me? Aug 16 22:36:39 twbbas: any reviews for nomnomnom in the catalog? Aug 16 22:36:55 I am serious Aug 16 22:36:58 dead serious Aug 16 22:37:18 serious about PatrickC doing it? Aug 16 22:37:23 oh lol Aug 16 22:37:29 I dont care who does it Aug 16 22:37:41 :) Aug 16 22:37:49 it would be super complicated Aug 16 22:37:51 if possible Aug 16 22:37:58 it is probably deep into the OS and not patchable. Aug 16 22:38:30 Tibfib: yes, there are reviews already. Aug 16 22:38:41 rwatkins: what are peeps saying? Aug 16 22:38:56 3 5 stars Aug 16 22:39:01 beautiful Aug 16 22:39:10 I'll just screenshot Aug 16 22:39:13 thanks Aug 16 22:39:17 2 long reviews Aug 16 22:39:24 heh Aug 16 22:39:32 Tibfib: http://reviewtomail.com Aug 16 22:39:33 :) Aug 16 22:39:37 doesn't work for TP Aug 16 22:39:44 :/ Aug 16 22:39:49 I'll talk to thomas Aug 16 22:39:58 https://www.box.net/shared/static/g96glep71hcnx2a2q31o.png Aug 16 22:40:01 Tibfib ^ Aug 16 22:40:02 love how the index says "6 reviews" but the actual page says "3 reviews". Aug 16 22:40:08 rwatkins: Yeah, I saw that too Aug 16 22:40:18 happens all the time. Aug 16 22:40:30 nice Aug 16 22:40:31 thanks twbbas Aug 16 22:40:54 so I have 2.99 * .7 * 3 dollars! Aug 16 22:41:03 Where do we submit feature requests Aug 16 22:41:04 and the "app not valid too" - it really shouldnt be that hard to keep the app catalog meta data all in sync. Aug 16 22:41:23 Tibfib: possibly less. i cloned and installed. :) Aug 16 22:41:35 hah did you review it though? Aug 16 22:41:49 I was just referring to # of reviews Aug 16 22:41:59 ha. no, not yet, i usually play with my apps a good bit before doing son. Aug 16 22:42:06 s/son/so/ Aug 16 22:42:15 hah Aug 16 22:42:16 2.99 for a nomnom? Aug 16 22:42:26 looks good tho, nice notifications. Aug 16 22:42:27 aw shit! $306.19 plus 21.66 euros. Aug 16 22:42:30 2.99 to a make all your wildest nomnomnom dreams come true Aug 16 22:42:33 uh, like, thanks, Palm. Aug 16 22:42:35 haeffb: for? Aug 16 22:42:36 haeffb: NICE Aug 16 22:42:41 almost a dollar per nom. Aug 16 22:42:43 I give you .99 nom nom Aug 16 22:42:53 hmm Aug 16 22:43:00 I wait for sale then buy nomnom Aug 16 22:43:07 and use free app money on nom nom Aug 16 22:43:08 CTLAdvance: it is on sale now Aug 16 22:43:11 should put out a nomnom for 1.99 and nomnomnomnom for 3.99 Aug 16 22:43:14 * haeffb got a blackberry Curve at work today. Aug 16 22:43:18 lol Aug 16 22:43:22 * CTLAdvance has the torch Aug 16 22:43:23 I can now officially state that blackberrys suck Aug 16 22:43:29 yep Aug 16 22:43:31 "almost a dollar per nom" that's a good one. Tibfib, tweet that. Aug 16 22:43:40 previously, I just suspected they sucked. Aug 16 22:43:47 "Less than a dollar per nom" Aug 16 22:44:03 * CTLAdvance cant figure out how the catalog works Aug 16 22:44:10 s/ Aug 16 22:44:25 "NomNomNom, less than a dollar per Nom, this week only! http://j.mp/oDv2wB" Aug 16 22:44:34 dooo t Aug 16 22:44:34 I HAZ A TOUCHPAD! :D Aug 16 22:44:35 doooo it Aug 16 22:45:00 NuttyBunny: NICE! Aug 16 22:45:12 NuttyBunny: I WANT ONE Aug 16 22:45:21 likewise Aug 16 22:45:24 maybe :P Aug 16 22:45:26 http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/103597529639301121 Aug 16 22:45:32 * Tibfib expects > 20 retweets Aug 16 22:45:45 Tibfib: that is some seriously good marketing Aug 16 22:46:06 aww dang. palmcast tonight and I won't be there Aug 16 22:46:22 Tibfib: Credit to rwatkins Aug 16 22:46:24 oh well, if they talk about nomnomnoming I'll listen tomorrow Aug 16 22:46:24 Tibfib, you get this one for free Aug 16 22:46:39 rwatkins is da man Aug 16 22:46:46 rwatkins: you can have a promo code Aug 16 22:46:53 lol Aug 16 22:46:58 Didn't he already buy it? Aug 16 22:47:08 I think he git cloned Aug 16 22:47:17 oh Aug 16 22:47:17 now he doesn't have to feel bad Aug 16 22:47:18 Ok, ok, how's the drill now, do I just need to login with my pre 2 profile on the TP and if my profile is on a supported country, I get paid app access? Aug 16 22:47:25 fancy way to say "pirated" ;) Aug 16 22:47:43 heh Aug 16 22:47:47 twbbas: how have you not retweeted that yet??? Aug 16 22:48:13 Tibfib: no, I have Aug 16 22:48:17 RETWEET! Aug 16 22:48:31 NuttyBunny: Ya I think so Aug 16 22:48:33 * haeffb needs to delete nombeta Aug 16 22:48:46 yay, akanster and twbbas are in on the re-nom action Aug 16 22:48:57 (I retweeted it after you pestered me to) Aug 16 22:49:01 6 RT's Aug 16 22:49:08 * Tibfib considers abusing his @spaz account privileges Aug 16 22:49:17 doooooo it Aug 16 22:49:20 also, NomNomNom is a pain to type. From here on out, I shall refer to it as Nom^3 Aug 16 22:49:28 that seems worse Aug 16 22:49:31 I just type NNN Aug 16 22:49:34 rather than a promo code I'll take a "Save to Paper Mache Aug 16 22:49:38 entry in Share Aug 16 22:49:40 YES Aug 16 22:49:42 akanster: text-assist nom3 --> nomnomnom Aug 16 22:49:49 That alone will make me pay $1/mo for instapaper Aug 16 22:49:54 rwatkins: hmmmmmmm Aug 16 22:50:05 I was going to do native instapaper support Aug 16 22:50:15 ooh rwatkins... app developer shakedown :) Aug 16 22:50:17 Tibfib: I agree, IP is the better choice. Aug 16 22:50:46 Tibfib: Does NNN save articles in the background already? Aug 16 22:50:49 but then you need to ask the user for credentials. Aug 16 22:50:57 I can have a little blurb when users add in credentials for IP, "need a good instapaper client?" Aug 16 22:51:01 twbbas: nope Aug 16 22:51:49 rwatkins: Have you gotten any complaints that the app is free yet you have to pay $1/mo to use it? Aug 16 22:51:53 Tibfib: sure. I think the key really is just getting IP integration where I can, just makes Paper Mache that more useful. Aug 16 22:52:05 twbbas: indeed i have. Aug 16 22:52:07 rwatkins: yeah Aug 16 22:52:11 rwatkins: That's a shame.... Aug 16 22:52:27 Oh, does anyone know if its possible to get caldav syncing on webOS 3? Aug 16 22:52:32 I think I'll go native IP support, since I will be doing the same with read-it-later Aug 16 22:53:21 twbbas: like its a free app .. dont wanna sub .. then dont. its my one negative review and gets mentioned occassionally. Aug 16 22:53:42 Yeah Aug 16 22:53:54 I'm waiting to pay until I havea use for it Aug 16 22:54:06 Probably once I head back to school is when I won't be around internet 24/7 Aug 16 22:54:33 I have about 45 mins of bus rides each day going between campuses Aug 16 22:54:42 its one of those things you dont realize how handy it is until you use it a bit, then you just use it all the time. Aug 16 22:54:46 Yeah Aug 16 22:54:50 DANGIT Aug 16 22:54:58 Tibfib is Tibfibbin Aug 16 22:55:01 I should have @palm @precentral @webosroundup my tweet Aug 16 22:55:03 whatcha do now? Aug 16 22:55:07 :\ Aug 16 22:55:20 Classic Tibfail Aug 16 22:55:30 just remember next time Aug 16 22:56:03 I keep forgetting Aug 16 22:56:07 ugh Aug 16 22:57:20 Alright, need sleep. Meeting in the morning. Chat soon. Aug 16 22:57:48 up to 8 retweets Aug 16 22:57:51 woot woot Aug 16 22:57:56 tomhut: cya! Aug 16 22:58:02 sweet touchstone bluetooth audio dock just went through FCC Aug 16 22:58:02 hmmm.... I can "undo" a retweet? Aug 16 22:58:10 haha Aug 16 22:58:11 how the hell does that work? Aug 16 22:58:15 Magic Aug 16 22:58:16 :'( Aug 16 22:58:20 http://www.precentral.net/what-touchstone-audio-dock-hp-just-sent-through-fcc-and-why-do-we-want-one Aug 16 22:58:25 It has speakers Aug 16 22:58:34 set the phone on dock, plays through speakers Aug 16 23:00:15 awesome Aug 16 23:00:37 bbl Aug 16 23:00:40 thanks for retweets guys Aug 16 23:01:37 http://t.co/7BHh2oo Aug 16 23:01:40 sign up Aug 16 23:01:41 :) Aug 16 23:02:06 eh? what's the WLAN AP and dipole antenna in the diagram? Aug 16 23:04:09 haeffb: test enviornment for fcc complliance Aug 16 23:04:18 ie, make sure it doesn't have horrible device interference issues Aug 16 23:10:19 Woooot got my bonus! Aug 16 23:13:14 bbl Aug 16 23:26:21 Though the Pre 3 can be pre-ordered from HP's German site now, UK retailer Clove has announced that it'll be shipping the Qwerty-toting webOS smartphone from tomorrow as well. The asking price for the Pre 3 on Clove is £360 or £300 ex VAT. Aug 16 23:26:30 * dwc- wonders why it wouldn't be qwertz Aug 16 23:27:04 UK retailer Clove Aug 16 23:27:09 UK is qwerty Aug 16 23:27:24 oh. missed that. Aug 16 23:27:33 words mean things, good sir. Aug 16 23:27:39 reading is hard, yo! Aug 16 23:27:57 real men don't read! they just stare intently! Aug 16 23:28:25 "want." Aug 16 23:28:26 ? Aug 16 23:33:37 http://forums.precentral.net/cdma-north-america/290596-sprint-getting-ready-hp-pre3.html#post3066325 Aug 16 23:33:59 Sprint is the one holding up the Pre 3 launch? Aug 16 23:34:13 HP wants to launch all at once on 3 carriers Aug 16 23:34:15 kill them? Aug 16 23:34:22 (according to that post) Aug 16 23:34:59 "...headed in a different direction than my wife... One was a very cute, chatty girl from Texas." Aug 16 23:35:03 10 points Aug 16 23:36:42 Lol Aug 16 23:36:53 lmao Aug 16 23:37:10 hm, is there a way to get the build # from a running phone? Aug 16 23:37:34 I see this "2.1 (build 124)" on the vzw pre2 2.1 post Aug 16 23:37:53 wondering what I have on my developer pre2 Aug 16 23:38:57 Lolololol precentral autocorrevts to premenstrual on TP Aug 16 23:39:04 * haeffb will kill for a Sprint Pre3. Aug 16 23:39:08 Who needs to die? Aug 16 23:39:26 A guy with a time machine Aug 16 23:39:52 I have something better. Aug 16 23:39:56 A time cannon. Aug 16 23:40:51 wut? Shooting time at people? Aug 16 23:41:01 Yes Aug 16 23:41:14 nice. I could use more time and would take it any way I can get it. Aug 16 23:41:18 Makes more sense if you don't think about it. Aug 16 23:41:53 * haeffb likes "cute, chatty girl(s) from Texas." Aug 16 23:41:54 Lol Aug 16 23:42:19 the man has his priorities straight Aug 16 23:42:25 Yep Aug 16 23:43:03 haeffb do you have 200 barrels of oil I could borrow for my computer. Aug 16 23:43:18 want. sprint. pre3. Aug 16 23:43:40 * halfhalo-work wants them to go on sale nowkthxbi Aug 16 23:44:08 Wants to see the Pre 3 AND Stingray come to Sprint Aug 16 23:45:44 sprint is not gonna happen, I'm 95% sure about it Aug 16 23:45:59 esser: "your hate for unlocked, contract-free lives is why you can't have nice things, america" <- awesome quote Aug 16 23:47:46 I *want* unlocked contract-free. Aug 16 23:47:52 unsubsidised Aug 16 23:48:19 the issue is, there's no good options for unlocked contract-free Aug 16 23:48:42 ppl are locking themselves into $2500 two-year contracts and worrying about a $50 variance in phone price Aug 16 23:48:52 that ^ Aug 16 23:49:17 yeah, because we allow the four (soon to be three) major carriers to collude) Aug 16 23:49:35 arguably T-Mobiles $50mo prepaid w/ unlimited EDGE data is the best option Aug 16 23:49:48 but even that sucks, because T-Mobile is mediocre Aug 16 23:50:26 also, t-mobile has awkward frequencies Aug 16 23:52:35 screw that Aug 16 23:52:43 * akanster <3 T-Mo Aug 16 23:53:12 akanster: their coverage is really city centric, and even then, doesn't compare to VZW/Sprint Aug 16 23:55:34 nothing really compares to VZW Aug 16 23:55:40 but... but.. I'm always in the cities Aug 16 23:56:02 If only they were not cdma Aug 16 23:57:02 I agree, it feels like I'm either stuck with a mediocre technology, and great service, or the superior technology, but mediocre service Aug 16 23:57:30 yeah, that's it Aug 16 23:58:08 and, given the purpose of a cell phone, I tend towards better service Aug 16 23:58:32 in some ways, I want to see AT&T-Mobile, but I'm skeptical of the claims that it'll actually better their service Aug 16 23:59:06 t-mo has standard frequencies... they just lose because they're smaller :( Aug 16 23:59:27 admittedly coverage is worse, just as a matter of physics alone Aug 17 00:00:30 we /can/ buy unlocked contract-free... the carriers just go "heh heh heh, we can still charge as if we were subsidizing" Aug 17 00:00:56 T-Mobile charges less if you buy your phone outright Aug 17 00:01:21 t-mo uses weird frequencies for anything that isn't EDGE don't they? Aug 17 00:01:34 but then it's still locked to T-Mobile with AWS that doesnt work any where else in the world Aug 17 00:02:09 I'm seriously considering their $50 pre-paid plan, and just using EDGE/wifi Aug 17 00:02:28 but I feel stupid buying unlimited EDGE data for $50 Aug 17 00:02:57 the whole mobile business is fucked Aug 17 00:04:53 yeh, there's no good answer Aug 17 00:05:03 rwhitby: ping Aug 17 00:05:27 akanster: yes, tmo has unsubsidized plans ... but they did make them hard to get for awhile (not orderable online, in-store only) Aug 17 00:06:01 and yes, they use AWS bands for 3g Aug 17 00:06:09 it's not "weird" Aug 17 00:06:32 back when it was just EDGE (and GPRS), I used to switch phones like crazy Aug 17 00:06:51 blame at&t Aug 17 00:10:19 dwc-: does the rest of the world use AWS? how come quad-band phones don't work properly? Aug 17 00:13:05 parts of the rest of the world use AWS bands Aug 17 00:13:25 rtyler: hi Aug 17 00:13:38 it is actually the assigned band for north america Aug 17 00:13:53 rwhitby: cross-compile unfortunately seems rather Mac-centric :/ Aug 17 00:13:54 rest of the world uses mainly .eu freqs, not AWS Aug 17 00:14:08 rtyler: actually it's Ubuntu Linux centric Aug 17 00:14:09 dwc-: barely http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Wireless_Services Aug 17 00:14:35 rwhitby: I ran 'make' and it tried pulling down and extracting .dmg's; are there docs I could read instead of bugging you on using it? Aug 17 00:14:47 one problem with early adoption is lack of standards Aug 17 00:14:48 only US and canada Aug 17 00:14:55 only doco is the WIDK page on the wiki and the repo itself Aug 17 00:15:14 1700 bands were formerly in use by other wireless services Aug 17 00:15:28 but not AWS style (with the split-bands) Aug 17 00:15:42 they're all split Aug 17 00:15:46 they're just not adjacent Aug 17 00:15:55 rwhitby: ah thanks, I was already there Aug 17 00:16:03 the reason it's fragmented around the world is because different countries and regions had different services in the same frequency bands Aug 17 00:16:09 might bring up a clean 11.04 VM to dump a lot of this stuff on Aug 17 00:16:11 * rtyler heads home Aug 17 00:16:24 per a link from your own link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands Aug 17 00:16:41 note the "2100" is 1900/2100 Aug 17 00:16:51 that doesn't really change the point Aug 17 00:16:55 similar bands != AWS Aug 17 00:17:07 2100 for sending doesn't get you 2100 for receiving... it matters little what you call them Aug 17 00:18:06 the point is there is a very small set of carriers in the world that support AWS as compared to many of the other frequency bands (see 850 and 2100 from your link) Aug 17 00:18:11 rtyler: note you probably only want to make stage-armv7 Aug 17 00:18:39 rtyler: I think the .dmg stuff is only needed if you want to stage for i686, which is not really supported yet Aug 17 00:18:42 drax: I'm not sure what your point is. that doesn't make it weird. Aug 17 00:20:06 it's not like tmobile could just go and say "sorry at&t, we're gonna go use the bands you used to use for your TDMA (non-gms) cellular service, just so we're the same as you" Aug 17 00:20:58 they went with what was assigned. and at&t said "we're not going to wait for all this spectrum stuff to get settled, we're going to reuse the spectrum we already have" Aug 17 00:22:03 and to summatusmentis, "quad-band" in common US usage, at least, refers to the 2G stuff, which does work pretty universally worldwide... voice, edge/gsm, etc Aug 17 00:22:20 but this sounds like a discussion we may have had before Aug 17 00:22:21 hrm, interesting Aug 17 00:24:13 (in contrast to the dual- and tri- band phones that were commonly sold here 10 years ago) Aug 17 00:25:38 * dwc- notes that 2G GSM systems also use paired bands for tx/rx Aug 17 00:26:10 (interference reasons) Aug 17 00:26:48 Tibfib_, we're talking about NomNomNom in the Palm Cast chat Aug 17 00:46:45 And so, it came.... http://t.co/XRHiKks Aug 17 00:47:06 looking good :) Aug 17 00:47:18 The photo you were looking for no longer exists Aug 17 00:47:28 reload Aug 17 00:47:32 stupid twitpic Aug 17 00:47:33 :) Aug 17 00:47:47 second time's a charm Aug 17 00:53:50 anyone get an email about making a webos app for some company that wishes to remain anonymous? Aug 17 00:54:22 rather, a company requesting assistance completing one Aug 17 00:54:57 figures id get an email like that and have absolutely no idea how to respond Aug 17 00:55:06 lol Aug 17 00:55:16 * oil wonders who it is Aug 17 00:56:07 whatsapp????? Aug 17 00:56:15 ill check linked in for this ladies name Aug 17 00:56:38 finally held a Veer in hand... WOW I am really impressed Aug 17 00:57:08 it's adorable, quite snappy, and mindbogglingly small Aug 17 00:57:28 * oil almost dropped his twice within like 3 mins of having it out the box Aug 17 00:58:32 it takes forever to boot... it's webOS :P Aug 17 01:00:52 ok so now i know why they contacted me.. i think Aug 17 01:01:08 she works for a company called Media 1 which is based in Michigan Aug 17 01:01:27 dawm: yeah. Aug 17 01:01:31 I'm not very very sad that there's not a Veer for Verizon... or I'd be switching (after the Pre3 came out so I could hold it and compare) Aug 17 01:01:35 *I'm now Aug 17 01:01:35 good job letting their company remain anonymous Aug 17 01:01:47 dawm: i used facebook ;) Aug 17 01:02:23 haha theres not much i cannot find google, linkedin, facebook .. all excellent resources for finding people Aug 17 01:02:35 jaf0: person who emailed dawn? Aug 17 01:02:46 nod Aug 17 01:02:48 I shall call it.. NuttyPad Aug 17 01:02:56 no longer anonymous heh Aug 17 01:03:02 yep. Aug 17 01:03:16 jaf0 you got the email as well? Aug 17 01:03:27 s/got/sent/ Aug 17 01:03:38 yep Aug 17 01:04:02 good, i was wondering if she was nigerian Aug 17 01:04:09 white. Aug 17 01:04:11 "Media 1 is a certified Women-owned Business Enterprise." Aug 17 01:04:21 from their website Aug 17 01:04:39 she's a photographer. Aug 17 01:04:49 * oil is still interested in what this app is Aug 17 01:05:14 i wonder if telling her who she is, would seal the deal Aug 17 01:05:23 sorry but youre not anonymous Aug 17 01:05:38 hell im sure i could find her address Aug 17 01:05:52 creepy Aug 17 01:06:03 google.. holds all Aug 17 01:06:21 * jaf0 throws back his head and laughs menacingly. Aug 17 01:06:33 how about work address Aug 17 01:06:34 just tell us! Aug 17 01:06:41 christ Aug 17 01:06:48 send her her pic as an attachment. Aug 17 01:06:51 that's who this company is Aug 17 01:06:52 :P Aug 17 01:07:28 reply to her work email :) Aug 17 01:07:31 haha Aug 17 01:07:36 friend her on gtalk Aug 17 01:07:41 rather fb Aug 17 01:07:52 dude, just go knock on her door Aug 17 01:08:07 change your employment on FB to reflect her company. Aug 17 01:08:20 hah Aug 17 01:08:20 "Hi, ma'am. I'm here to reply to the email you sent me about that app you wanted me to write" Aug 17 01:08:23 anyone in the nashville, tn area? Aug 17 01:08:28 and show you the beta. Aug 17 01:08:36 google streetview of her house. Aug 17 01:08:58 send google updated photos Aug 17 01:09:03 else you're just playin' Aug 17 01:09:04 not creepy at all Aug 17 01:09:06 get GPS frmo her phone and casually meet her asomewhere Aug 17 01:09:53 "oh! You get coffee here too? No, I mean, we've never met, but you emailed me about a webOS app" Aug 17 01:10:53 i have a problem today with my pre2.. my phone conversations only work with speakerphone Aug 17 01:11:48 i cant explain why. i was on a normal call this morning that went fine. rebooted phone and still no luck Aug 17 01:11:53 only if you look like rockhound (steve buscemi) http://s.jaf0.com/resPmo Aug 17 01:12:00 take a headphone connector Aug 17 01:12:05 and plug/unplug a few times Aug 17 01:12:35 i can try that... Aug 17 01:12:45 palms still have that issue? Aug 17 01:12:50 i dont get why this would get out of sync like that Aug 17 01:13:03 first time ive gotten it on this pre2 Aug 17 01:13:11 happens every so often on my pre- Aug 17 01:13:31 bad connection inside the headphone jack Aug 17 01:13:36 ill try the headphone thing, thx Aug 17 01:13:43 weak Aug 17 01:13:53 i got a whole extra $8.36 from HP Aug 17 01:14:07 sigh, and i was on the phone with an iphone user of course Aug 17 01:14:28 'i knew it wasnt anything on MY phone' blah Aug 17 01:14:49 rwhitby got a whole extra boat! Aug 17 01:15:13 ahoy! Aug 17 01:15:35 and sometimes people cant hear me well at all on the wired headset Aug 17 01:15:44 guess this could be related Aug 17 01:16:37 may be time to break out the BT headset Aug 17 01:18:16 well i emailed her Aug 17 01:18:25 i was gonna msg on fb but thats a tad creepy Aug 17 01:18:27 Tibfib_: MIT vs GPL Aug 17 01:18:43 I like GPL Aug 17 01:19:38 I don't like knowing that someone can take my code that I made open source for everyone's benefit, improve it, and then keep it to themselves Aug 17 01:19:55 Tibfib: Did you see my tweets? Aug 17 01:19:59 yeah! Aug 17 01:20:06 I'm excited to listen to it tomorrow Aug 17 01:20:07 they like it? Aug 17 01:20:08 I don't give a shit what someone does with it... :) Aug 17 01:20:23 haeffb: maybe I won't in the future, but I do now Aug 17 01:20:29 * haeffb should just go creative commons Aug 17 01:20:40 "here take it, do whatever you want" Aug 17 01:21:23 Tibfib: They loved it Aug 17 01:21:30 awesome! Aug 17 01:22:02 haahaha Aug 17 01:22:42 Tibfib: welcome to the BigTime(tm) Aug 17 01:22:57 heh :) Aug 17 01:23:08 After this weeks update I'm gonna send joshua topolsky an email Aug 17 01:23:20 he complained about a lack of a good google reader app on the touchpad Aug 17 01:27:37 ohhh jeez. Just found a major bug Aug 17 01:27:53 pathetic snap scrollers Aug 17 01:28:35 what bug? Aug 17 01:28:46 you can't scroll to the last article card when in portrait mode Aug 17 01:28:51 I have no idea how I'm gonna fix that Aug 17 01:28:57 well, I could hack it Aug 17 01:29:05 but a REAL solution, I dunno Aug 17 01:29:06 Tibfib: You have been on a Snap Scroller rant for about two weeks now :) Aug 17 01:29:11 akanster: longer Aug 17 01:29:17 haha Aug 17 01:29:18 I hated them when working with Spaz HD Aug 17 01:29:27 they're awful Aug 17 01:29:50 oh, I vaguely remember hitting that bug Aug 17 01:30:17 bad beta tester bad Aug 17 01:30:33 yes Aug 17 01:30:38 oil, PuffTheMagic: wIRC-TP, git/make? or is it built somewhere? Aug 17 01:30:53 I haven't seen it in RC2, which is probably why I didn't mention it Aug 17 01:31:02 the tp plugin is in there Aug 17 01:31:04 I am seeing it here Aug 17 01:31:05 oh dang Aug 17 01:31:07 just pull then palm-package/install Aug 17 01:31:08 I think I broke sharing Aug 17 01:31:20 oil: thanks! Aug 17 01:31:34 brb.. setting the tp Aug 17 01:32:01 new color selector is so sexy :) Aug 17 01:32:22 NuttyBunny, git Aug 17 01:32:32 but dont be like oil and rely on a stale plugin Aug 17 01:32:44 lol Aug 17 01:32:53 that is for windows users who cant be bothered to use a real OS like Linux or Macos Aug 17 01:32:55 http://i54.tinypic.com/15x7ax1.png :) Aug 17 01:33:13 smeh Aug 17 01:33:21 jk, nice job Aug 17 01:33:26 lol Aug 17 01:34:14 does it allow rgba? Aug 17 01:34:18 you can even type hsla(320, 72%, 26%, 0.8) in there if you wanted Aug 17 01:34:32 nice, I don't think I have ever used hsla Aug 17 01:34:34 ever Aug 17 01:34:36 lol Aug 17 01:34:41 rgba is awesome Aug 17 01:34:42 nobody does, but its valid css color Aug 17 01:34:46 yeah, rgba is supported Aug 17 01:34:48 hsv ftw! Aug 17 01:35:04 hue saturation lightness? Aug 17 01:35:13 it even validates and updates the preview as you're typing Aug 17 01:35:14 value Aug 17 01:35:18 v = value Aug 17 01:35:32 is oil wrong? is it hsva or hsla? Aug 17 01:35:40 its both Aug 17 01:35:43 oh Aug 17 01:35:49 i just dont like the sound of lightness Aug 17 01:35:52 I blame oil for my confusion Aug 17 01:35:59 +1` Aug 17 01:36:04 hsl is what css3 supports Aug 17 01:36:07 hsv is some other crap Aug 17 01:36:09 not supported Aug 17 01:36:19 http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/ Aug 17 01:36:20 rgba is probably my favorite thing in all of css Aug 17 01:36:22 blaming oil is now passe' Aug 17 01:36:23 and I hate css Aug 17 01:36:26 they are the same, its just a letter Aug 17 01:36:33 the only place hsv is located in that doc is "There are several other color schemes possible. Some advantages of HSL are that it is symmetrical to lightness and darkness (which is not the case with HSV for example), and it is trivial to convert HSL to RGB." Aug 17 01:36:39 it's all haeffb's fault Aug 17 01:36:41 * haeffb can't make an accented e' Aug 17 01:36:58 guess im wrong Aug 17 01:37:02 i blame oil now Aug 17 01:37:09 atta boy Aug 17 01:37:17 :/ Aug 17 01:37:20 but it is his fault, he had to prove me wrong Aug 17 01:37:23 well, i mean, oil did cause the wars in the middle east. Aug 17 01:37:43 it also caused a reduction in net profit margin for all US transport operations Aug 17 01:37:52 oh, hell, who am I to argue with conventional wisdom? Aug 17 01:37:52 i don't see why oil can't be responsible for a few more things Aug 17 01:38:00 damned oil. Aug 17 01:38:02 http://www.css3.info/even-more-konqueror-css3-goodness/ Aug 17 01:38:23 hsv supported by konqueror but not listed in the spec lol Aug 17 01:38:34 idk if webkit supports Aug 17 01:38:46 keep rubbing it in Aug 17 01:39:03 I'm enjoying this :) Aug 17 01:39:05 what the heck Aug 17 01:39:09 share via email/sms doesn't work Aug 17 01:39:20 and I have no idea why Aug 17 01:39:23 where? Aug 17 01:39:31 nomnomnom Aug 17 01:39:34 does it work for you? Aug 17 01:39:55 yeah. Aug 17 01:39:59 if webkit supports it, ill definately include regex validator for it in the color selector Aug 17 01:40:04 the SMS format changed from enyo to mojo... Aug 17 01:40:08 but ill leave that to someone else to test Aug 17 01:40:10 what the heck Aug 17 01:40:16 haeffb: I know, I used the proper format Aug 17 01:40:41 oh. then I guess you did it wrong. :) Aug 17 01:40:53 hmmm Aug 17 01:41:35 * haeffb actually didn't implement the SMS. but email works fine. Aug 17 01:42:04 just tested again Aug 17 01:42:08 IT IS SPAZCORE'S FAULT Aug 17 01:42:34 I'm really confused right now Aug 17 01:42:37 hmmm... who used spazcore in their google reader app ? Aug 17 01:42:46 a VERY small piece of it Aug 17 01:42:50 the url shortener Aug 17 01:42:58 it's actually REALLY nice Aug 17 01:43:06 cleaned it up Aug 17 01:43:08 works great Aug 17 01:43:26 except for breaking the email/SMS ? Aug 17 01:43:37 except for that Aug 17 01:43:43 but it works for you? Aug 17 01:43:59 I feel like bit.ly is limiting me or something Aug 17 01:44:12 eh? Aug 17 01:45:10 you're using the url shortener in your email/sms text? Aug 17 01:46:03 yep Aug 17 01:46:42 I'm so confused right now Aug 17 01:47:39 OH POOP ME Aug 17 01:47:54 FREAKING JQUERY Aug 17 01:47:56 * dawm|laptop poops on tibfib Aug 17 01:48:32 <--- stupid Aug 17 01:48:41 I took out jquery to use a lighter jquery replacement Aug 17 01:49:28 dangit Aug 17 01:53:15 * Tibfib blames funkatron for using jQuery. syntax and not $. Aug 17 01:53:50 oil probably told him to do it. Aug 17 01:54:09 rwhitby: thanks for the pointers, let me give that a whirl Aug 17 01:54:09 * oil doesnt have that much pull Aug 17 01:54:13 Tibfib: you're the one who did NomNomNom? Aug 17 01:54:21 does anyone tell funkatron what to do? lol Aug 17 01:54:22 bnceo: yep! Aug 17 01:54:27 love the app Aug 17 01:54:32 oil: I casually hint at stuff Aug 17 01:54:38 I don't want him to murder me Aug 17 01:54:52 bnceo: thanks! Aug 17 01:54:53 if anything, just don't like how the name takes so much space in the launcher. NomNomNom would be fine Aug 17 01:55:09 It doesn't say NomNomNom? Aug 17 01:55:16 The appinfo.json says NomNomNom for the title Aug 17 01:55:21 the catalog says "for Google Reader" Aug 17 01:55:41 bnceo: try restarting your touchpad ? Aug 17 01:55:58 perhaps the catalog title supercedes the appinfo Aug 17 01:56:18 rebooting sir Aug 17 01:56:40 I have conformation from Palm that the dev discount applies to the $499 price! Aug 17 01:56:49 oh, I could have told you that. Aug 17 01:56:54 also, anyone have the instructions on how to make your box.net account a mapped drive? Aug 17 01:56:56 or network drive? Aug 17 01:57:04 bnceo: sacherjj does Aug 17 01:57:09 @sacherjj I believe Aug 17 01:57:13 in forums? Aug 17 01:57:19 on his website Aug 17 01:57:19 oh oh. twitter Aug 17 01:57:25 link to it from twitter Aug 17 01:58:19 Tibfib: got a tp yet? Aug 17 01:58:25 noooo Aug 17 01:58:26 hmm. don't see it Aug 17 01:58:31 lemme look Aug 17 01:59:03 nm. found it Aug 17 01:59:17 bnceo: http://joesacher.com/webos/webdav-on-box-net-for-the-hp-touchpad/ Aug 17 01:59:22 doh Aug 17 01:59:28 PatrickC: end of weeek...... Aug 17 01:59:41 cool Aug 17 01:59:46 I'm ordering tonight Aug 17 02:02:03 * Tibfib will be paying for it tomorrow Aug 17 02:02:22 oil: I can't believe you use eclipse Aug 17 02:02:24 awfullll Aug 17 02:02:28 :) Aug 17 02:02:34 oh and Tibfib: miss Mojo Messenger. world wasn't ready for it Aug 17 02:02:42 hah Aug 17 02:03:02 I think if I had pushed it, it may have gotten popuplar Aug 17 02:03:13 I really loved it Aug 17 02:03:23 yeah I liked it too Aug 17 02:03:25 still got the ipkg somewhere in an email Aug 17 02:03:39 I never used it, was it ever public? Aug 17 02:03:52 Tibfib: now showing NomNomNom Aug 17 02:03:55 me likey Aug 17 02:03:56 Tibfib: what did mojo messenger do? Aug 17 02:03:56 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Aug 17 02:03:59 funny how it needs a reboot Aug 17 02:04:03 jaf0: Aug 17 02:04:04 dawm|laptop: what? Aug 17 02:04:09 jaf0: ping Aug 17 02:04:12 shanna just liked my company on facebook Aug 17 02:04:19 mojo messenger was like BBM. push chat Aug 17 02:04:30 for what services? Aug 17 02:04:33 gchat? Aug 17 02:04:34 yo. Aug 17 02:04:38 oil: re http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/87073439344640000 --- I didn't even realize it was from differnet people Aug 17 02:04:56 DANGIT, now I dont' remember why I was looking at oil's tweets Aug 17 02:05:02 * Tibfib thinks Aug 17 02:05:08 jaf0 see what i said last Aug 17 02:05:12 that's it Aug 17 02:05:15 PatrickC: it was it's own service Aug 17 02:05:23 like TextOne? Aug 17 02:05:30 eh? Aug 17 02:05:33 no idea what that was\ Aug 17 02:05:38 but it had chat rooms and all this Aug 17 02:05:39 PatrickC: yes Aug 17 02:05:40 yup. Aug 17 02:05:42 my tweets are all gold Aug 17 02:05:42 its an ap out currently Aug 17 02:05:45 oil: http://i56.tinypic.com/29wmo0l.png Aug 17 02:05:47 did you go all freaky on her? Aug 17 02:05:48 that is what I was looking for Aug 17 02:05:53 ah Aug 17 02:05:53 no Aug 17 02:05:54 sure it could have been nicer looking, but function was there! Aug 17 02:05:54 need one myself Aug 17 02:05:55 * jaf0 points to dawm Aug 17 02:05:56 its a bit different now Aug 17 02:06:02 i just told her we did find out she works for Media1 Aug 17 02:06:02 i distressed the text Aug 17 02:06:13 general idea is all I need Aug 17 02:07:15 bbl Aug 17 02:07:25 gonna go order my touchpad :D Aug 17 02:07:51 I thought you weren't getting a TouchPad Aug 17 02:08:17 he did some chores and his parents changed their mind Aug 17 02:08:23 * Tibfib theorizes Aug 17 02:08:27 Whenever you read an iPhone 5 rumor, just watch this video. http://youtu.be/i7am_FlODE0 Aug 17 02:08:38 so question for ya: what do you toss onto box.net? just documents? Aug 17 02:08:45 do you do pics, some mp3s, vids? Aug 17 02:08:52 I will do my music Aug 17 02:08:59 I only use it for uploading screenshots. Aug 17 02:10:04 oil: titanium studio Aug 17 02:10:13 ? Aug 17 02:10:26 it's eclipse, but better Aug 17 02:10:38 eclipse with themes Aug 17 02:10:44 themes, meh Aug 17 02:11:10 and a project browser Aug 17 02:11:32 it really IS eclipse Aug 17 02:11:40 yeah, eclipse has a project browser Aug 17 02:11:50 but without themes slowing it down more then being java itself already does Aug 17 02:11:51 haha - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/edsgerdijk204329.html Aug 17 02:13:11 did the glass theme for TouchPad get updated? Aug 17 02:13:19 oil: nothing can slow eclipse down more than that :) Aug 17 02:13:26 i know Aug 17 02:13:38 what i do is get eclipse setup, then dont screw with it Aug 17 02:13:40 dont update Aug 17 02:13:41 dont anything Aug 17 02:13:44 or you'll be sorry Aug 17 02:14:47 oil: just try sublime Aug 17 02:14:53 or notepad++ Aug 17 02:15:27 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/screenshot1bt.png/ Aug 17 02:15:30 oil: srsly Aug 17 02:15:47 updating eclipse has broken things way too commonly Aug 17 02:15:59 OR ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE COMMAND LINE??? Aug 17 02:16:12 oh, and it has git support built-in Aug 17 02:16:23 komodo has git support Aug 17 02:16:34 and runs the webos plugin Aug 17 02:16:37 the git CLI has git support Aug 17 02:17:15 summatusmentis: yes, when I'm not using titanium studio, I code in pencil and paper Aug 17 02:17:36 because I hate using tools that help me to get things done easily Aug 17 02:18:01 I'll agree with you there, git CLI has a miserable interface Aug 17 02:18:10 but I deal with it because I like vim so much Aug 17 02:19:32 Is there an enyo plugin for Eclipse? Aug 17 02:19:44 my only complaint with titanium studio is that the Outline viewer doesn't understand enyo kinds Aug 17 02:20:12 twbbas: no, but the mojo plugin palm-run stuff works Aug 17 02:20:26 you just can't create a "new enyo app" automatically Aug 17 02:20:26 haeffb: Alrighty. Thanks. Aug 17 02:20:30 Yeah Aug 17 02:20:40 komodo and eclipse are bloated Aug 17 02:20:53 but I believe lemketron said they're working on a new plugin Aug 17 02:21:02 haeffb: http://i53.tinypic.com/nl342h.png Aug 17 02:21:04 Tibfib: get a faster PC Aug 17 02:21:10 sublime 2 and notepad++ are super fast and sublime2 is gorgeous Aug 17 02:22:12 * haeffb is slower than eclipse Aug 17 02:22:27 lol Aug 17 02:22:38 * haeffb doesn't understand the concept of a "super-fast" text editor Aug 17 02:22:58 haven't met one that can't handle my 50 wpm yet Aug 17 02:23:01 taking a while to open is slow Aug 17 02:23:08 wait Aug 17 02:23:11 you close your editor? Aug 17 02:23:16 occassionally Aug 17 02:23:22 well there is your problem Aug 17 02:23:33 oil: Tibfib runs windows. he has to reboot every couple of days Aug 17 02:23:37 THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM Aug 17 02:23:41 THAT'S MY PROBLEM Aug 17 02:23:45 * oil reboots once a month or so Aug 17 02:24:00 * Tibfib fist pumps at dropbox referral Aug 17 02:24:59 ugh Aug 17 02:25:00 Tibfib: When I get new, unread articles in NomNomNom, I shall now refer to them as "Noms." Aug 17 02:25:02 dude, you have box.net Aug 17 02:25:07 so i got a reply from shanna Aug 17 02:25:09 who cares about dropbox Aug 17 02:25:29 the email ended with 'youre in michigan right? would you mind giving me your phone number?' Aug 17 02:25:38 uh oh Aug 17 02:26:22 she wants your boooody Aug 17 02:26:25 dawm|laptop: first rule of communicating over the internet - she's not really female. Aug 17 02:26:38 oh you tards its for an app Aug 17 02:26:47 yeah, an "app" Aug 17 02:26:49 oil: your monitor is much bigger than mine. Aug 17 02:26:58 Jaf0 got the same email Aug 17 02:26:59 twbbas: +1 Aug 17 02:27:15 so that's what they call it these days, "apps" Aug 17 02:27:15 Here's another sales graph with no Y axis figures on it: http://twitpic.com/679voj Aug 17 02:27:23 maybe jaf0 is similarly attractive to you dawm|laptop Aug 17 02:27:25 haeffb: 27inch sitting between two 19s Aug 17 02:27:40 * haeffb going to do HDMI out to the 42" lcd Aug 17 02:27:47 and code from across the room. Aug 17 02:27:56 lol Aug 17 02:28:03 that's... AWESOME Aug 17 02:28:06 lol Aug 17 02:28:08 little wireless kb in your lap Aug 17 02:28:13 * PatrickC could do that too Aug 17 02:28:38 hey, can I hook up my HP bluetooth KB? Aug 17 02:28:47 get a dongle for your pc Aug 17 02:28:50 My brother has a bluetooth kb that's about that size of the Pre's kb Aug 17 02:28:57 wow Aug 17 02:28:58 (though, i havent tried connecting my bt kb) Aug 17 02:29:06 rwhitby: August is only half over Aug 17 02:29:09 but without the insert/home/delete/etc block programming would take longer Aug 17 02:29:18 He just uses it to watch netflix while in bed on his desktop across the room Aug 17 02:29:24 haeffb: yep Aug 17 02:29:24 along with a wireless mouse Aug 17 02:29:45 haeffb: gotta love a pivot mention :) Aug 17 02:30:08 true dat. Would be nice. Aug 17 02:30:11 http://www.meetup.com/HPwebOS/Nashville-TN/326261/?a=bn6_l1 Aug 17 02:30:11 * twbbas should make a graph of his app since it's consistently double each day since the $100 discount Aug 17 02:30:37 why is techjunky79 constantly anti-webOS ? Aug 17 02:30:55 haeffb: he has to justify his decision to move to another platform Aug 17 02:30:55 because he has more problems than the rest of the world combined with webOS Aug 17 02:31:18 I've never heard of that email issue he's having nor the profile issue Aug 17 02:31:36 * haeffb waiting for webOS Meetup Emer Aug 17 02:31:38 Elmer Aug 17 02:31:43 Fudd Aug 17 02:31:56 * PatrickC points people to the webOS meetup in the middle of the country :) Aug 17 02:32:00 webOS Connect Chicago would be pretty sweet Aug 17 02:32:09 My university is like 2 hrs from there Aug 17 02:32:11 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Elmer,+MO&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.999041,79.013672&vpsrc=0&t=h&z=14 Aug 17 02:32:15 * rwhitby is looking forward to webOS Connect Sydney Aug 17 02:32:23 twbbas: where are you? Aug 17 02:32:28 pfft Aug 17 02:32:39 PatrickC: Right now, eastern MI. I go to school in western MI though Aug 17 02:32:44 ah Aug 17 02:32:51 how far from Nashville? :) Aug 17 02:32:52 haeffb: the land around Taylor Hole even looks like Foghorn Leghorn! Aug 17 02:32:58 PatrickC: like 8 hrs? Aug 17 02:33:02 aww Aug 17 02:33:18 PatrickC: What's your address and I'll map it Aug 17 02:33:20 so you won't come and visit me at the meetup here? Aug 17 02:33:20 * twbbas grins Aug 17 02:33:30 its 123 Noneya Ave Aug 17 02:33:32 :) Aug 17 02:33:35 haha Aug 17 02:33:44 notice that Elmer and Ethel are only a few miles apart Aug 17 02:33:46 I live just outside of Murfreesboro TN Aug 17 02:33:58 that is not my city though ;) Aug 17 02:34:02 haeffb: see the mouth at taylor hole, the comb on the head at fish lake, the eye half-way between them Aug 17 02:34:07 PatrickC: 9 hrs 13 mins to Nash Aug 17 02:34:29 so.. I take it you won't come and visit me? lol Aug 17 02:34:31 :P Aug 17 02:34:58 haeffb: http://all-free-download.com/free-icon/icons/foghorn_leghorn_94237.html Aug 17 02:35:00 PatrickC: Either pay for gas or plane ticket and I'll come. Oh, and food and a hotel. Aug 17 02:35:07 NuttyBunny: will come visit me Aug 17 02:35:09 ggrrr, this stupid makefile is still downloading dmgs Aug 17 02:35:13 twbbas: I'll pass lol Aug 17 02:35:15 good thing my ISP doesn't throttle Aug 17 02:35:33 PatrickC: Would you rather have a TouchPad or see me for a couple days? Aug 17 02:36:08 if that foghorn leghorn icon is free...I'll use it for my next app. Aug 17 02:36:10 think for a while Aug 17 02:36:24 twbbas: uhh.. not su.. Touchpad Aug 17 02:36:25 :P Aug 17 02:36:42 haeffb: free it may be, unencumbered by trademark, I doubt it. Aug 17 02:37:01 rwhitby: in the land of soundboards, trademark doesn't mean much. Aug 17 02:37:19 ah, it's one of *those* apps Aug 17 02:37:23 heh Aug 17 02:37:28 lol Aug 17 02:37:39 argh... brb Aug 17 02:37:41 haeffb is just trying to get that black belt Aug 17 02:38:50 nah, I don't even know what app it would be. But using foghorn as an icon would be cool. Aug 17 02:39:10 maybe an alarm clock app that crows Aug 17 02:39:23 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HPs-TouchPad-Is-Officially-A-siliconalley-54818795.html?x=0&.v=3 Aug 17 02:39:26 "Ah say, Ah say, it's time to get up, son!" Aug 17 02:39:29 Surely that can't be true? Aug 17 02:39:52 i have an idea! let's all go see patrickc Aug 17 02:39:55 all at once Aug 17 02:40:07 twbbas: ouch Aug 17 02:40:09 he can pay for everything, and throw a party for all of us! Aug 17 02:40:14 "HP's quick price cuts may have had the exact wrong effect, convincing consumers to wait to see if the price drops more." Aug 17 02:41:29 PatrickC, you missed it Aug 17 02:41:33 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HPs-TouchPad-Is-Officially-A-siliconalley-54818795.html?x=0&.v=3 Aug 17 02:41:43 HP TouchPad is a DISASTER Aug 17 02:41:51 lol Aug 17 02:41:56 Their earnings call is this Thursday isn't it? Aug 17 02:42:00 might as well give up on that C++ stuff Aug 17 02:42:05 * twbbas hopes they sold more than 1mil Aug 17 02:42:11 why on earth did HP think they were going to sell 250,000 of them? Aug 17 02:42:18 err bestbuy Aug 17 02:42:37 HP was only planning like 400k-500k month right? Aug 17 02:42:44 that's unrealistic to the nth degree Aug 17 02:43:04 that's 1 for every 1200 americans, in a market that is already pretty closely packed with the competitor Aug 17 02:43:07 no one went to best buy for them Aug 17 02:43:12 best buy had no price cuts Aug 17 02:43:13 hrm Aug 17 02:43:13 when maybe, maybe, 1 in 200 americans has the disposable income to buy one Aug 17 02:43:16 that's just silly Aug 17 02:43:18 so maybe uber pricecuts? Aug 17 02:43:25 BOGO Sale? Aug 17 02:43:27 * haeffb went to best buy, but they didn't have any Aug 17 02:43:27 i don't listen to yahoo news Aug 17 02:43:32 Tibfib: I bought mine from Best Buy Aug 17 02:43:36 but that was before price cuts Aug 17 02:43:38 nor have i ever. i would never trust them as a credible news source Aug 17 02:43:40 exactly Aug 17 02:43:49 lots of people bought them post price cuts Aug 17 02:44:04 i dont mean to be pedantic, but the source is actually businessinsider.com Aug 17 02:44:05 not yahoo Aug 17 02:44:15 it's a co-branded article Aug 17 02:44:23 I'm not honestly convinced that HP has a strategy, beyond something broad Aug 17 02:44:31 even worse Aug 17 02:44:41 GOP website -.- Aug 17 02:45:12 that may be Aug 17 02:45:20 oh hmm Aug 17 02:45:24 but i still dont think anything other than modest sales is reasonble for HP Aug 17 02:45:24 * Tibfib has interesting nomnomnom idea Aug 17 02:45:39 Tibfib: NomPoints? You get 1 Nom per article read? Aug 17 02:45:41 eh Aug 17 02:45:48 have a leaderboard Aug 17 02:45:52 * Tibfib doesn't think it is as good as he originally thought Aug 17 02:46:03 "twbbas - Top Nommer" Aug 17 02:46:04 the only market that can really be slapped away from apple right now is .eu Aug 17 02:46:08 "#1 Nom" Aug 17 02:46:15 the source is actually "All Things D" Aug 17 02:47:38 nice Aug 17 02:47:44 HP OuchPad Aug 17 02:47:55 nice one Aug 17 02:48:11 i like the touchpad, but the pricing on my ipad was kind of unbeatable at $0.00 Aug 17 02:48:13 thats the title of the allthingsd article Aug 17 02:48:18 mmm noms Aug 17 02:49:00 esser: if I got a free ipad, I'd use it too Aug 17 02:49:41 summatusmentis: amen. Aug 17 02:49:52 Tibfib, i went to best buy Aug 17 02:50:00 post sales? Aug 17 02:50:08 launch day Aug 17 02:50:21 bought the first TP in Dayton Aug 17 02:50:28 exactly Aug 17 02:50:35 and the only TP in Dayton Aug 17 02:50:39 lol Aug 17 02:51:02 hah Aug 17 02:51:16 summatusmentis: My net cut out. What did you say that everyone liked? :) Aug 17 02:51:21 * esser tries to think of an IT product which was doing well, which had it's price cut by 20% 6 weeks after launch. Aug 17 02:52:38 twbbas: everyone? the only thing I said was "if I got a free ipad, I'd use it too", directed at esser Aug 17 02:52:44 * Tibfib has had 4 tweets on his @tiffin column in spaz hd Aug 17 02:52:56 alright, toolchain built, yay Aug 17 02:52:59 hahaha Aug 17 02:53:21 summatusmentis: oh I thought you said something epic. My bad. :( Aug 17 02:53:25 not at all Aug 17 02:53:25 lol Aug 17 02:53:37 esser: how quickly was the kindle price cut? Aug 17 02:53:46 hrm Aug 17 02:53:47 let me check Aug 17 02:53:53 i got mine from amazon, came out cheaper than with the $20 student discount and free shipping Aug 17 02:53:58 from hp.com direct Aug 17 02:53:59 heh Aug 17 02:54:00 I feel like that happened relatively quickly Aug 17 02:54:08 and/or the nook Aug 17 02:54:15 5 months Aug 17 02:54:38 and that, supposedly, was due to increased production efficiency on revision B Aug 17 02:54:43 they probably snuck a bit of a drop in there Aug 17 02:54:55 it's not really a fair comparison, though Aug 17 02:54:59 UGH my net cut out again Aug 17 02:55:00 becuase at the time, the kindle was opening the market Aug 17 02:55:06 and it's pickup increased steadily Aug 17 02:55:12 neither of those two statements are true for the touchpad Aug 17 02:56:03 dont get me wrong, i desperately hope that there will be a bunch of competition to the iPad. i just very seriously doubt the touchpad will displace the ipad in teh US marker anytime soon Aug 17 02:56:03 HP is not doing a good job at articulating why we should care about the TouchPad, nor justifying the app issue Aug 17 02:56:11 and i think HP's sales expectations are fantasy Aug 17 02:56:42 I'm hoping HP successfully sells the TouchPad to enterprise Aug 17 02:56:58 which gives them enough of a boost to continue Aug 17 02:57:08 yeah that is very important Aug 17 02:57:12 especially the service contracts Aug 17 02:57:19 the margins there are much much higher Aug 17 02:57:23 not without doc editing Aug 17 02:57:41 true Aug 17 02:58:11 Yep. Just about sold one today.. teh two things he was lacking were document creation, and a way to copy pictures off his digital camera Aug 17 02:58:21 unless i'm derping and can't think of a way he could copy them over Aug 17 02:58:40 * Shadyman ponders again the Touchpad's USB Host capability, or lack thereof Aug 17 02:58:51 camere -> computer -> box.net -> TouchPad! Aug 17 02:58:58 camera* Aug 17 02:58:58 not even an SD card slot Aug 17 02:59:10 Shadyman: srsly, that's something I'd really like Aug 17 02:59:31 as an amateur photographer, that's a really compelling thing about the iPad Aug 17 02:59:47 i got an idea for a patch but dont know if its possible Aug 17 02:59:49 I've pondered eye-fi + ad-hoc wifi network hosted by the TP **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 17 02:59:57 2011