**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 17 02:59:57 2011 Aug 17 03:00:01 summatusmentis: I suggested that too Aug 17 03:00:23 I'm not sure how it'd work though Aug 17 03:00:37 what if for cards you could have them be bunched together like they were all from the same app Aug 17 03:00:56 instead of being separate stacks Aug 17 03:01:20 just a random thought Aug 17 03:01:38 kevets: I don't quite understand. have which cards stack together? Everything? Aug 17 03:01:39 I don't understand your random thought Aug 17 03:01:53 elaborate your random thought or be shot for treason Aug 17 03:02:05 all cards stacked together by default Aug 17 03:02:29 would make for a more compact view if you have lots of apps open Aug 17 03:02:43 and make up for the lack of zoom out Aug 17 03:03:22 yeh... Aug 17 03:03:31 That could lead to a giant stack of awfulness. Aug 17 03:03:32 imo Aug 17 03:03:33 i actually think the iOS got it right with the task management approach Aug 17 03:03:38 *that iOS Aug 17 03:03:38 i dont know if it works that way tho Aug 17 03:03:58 esser: care to elaborate? Aug 17 03:04:22 what task management approach? Not managing them? Aug 17 03:04:33 summatusmentis: i've never once needed to run more than one thing at a time in my iPad, and the passive notification-based approach for long-cycle things works totally great Aug 17 03:04:46 i mean, it's a little pad. it's an accessory, not a laptop Aug 17 03:04:47 id like to be able to see everything on one screen Aug 17 03:04:49 and i dont need it to be one Aug 17 03:05:10 so, lacking multitasking is a feature. Aug 17 03:05:21 oh man why cant webos cards zoom out to show all open cards like an expose view Aug 17 03:05:36 haeffb: it kind of is. Aug 17 03:05:36 exposé Aug 17 03:05:47 haeffb: i mean, one thing i've never had on my iPad, was a delay Aug 17 03:06:21 esser: I routinely find iOSs "one task at a time" approach limiting Aug 17 03:06:27 i had this same argument with myself in android vs iphone Aug 17 03:06:37 summatusmentis: as do I Aug 17 03:06:51 but i realized that the iphone approach actually works really well, and my battery life puts every android phone i've owned to absolutel shame Aug 17 03:06:59 their apps have the benefit of knowing they will have full cpu available to it while its running Aug 17 03:07:01 which, in the end, is really the important part. if i'm out of battery, i can't really do anything Aug 17 03:07:19 the other thing that I think iOS misses is that a task doesn't necessarily mean a single app Aug 17 03:07:39 no, that's all a question of usage role. Aug 17 03:07:47 for what i use my ipad for, a task does mean a single app Aug 17 03:08:10 I've wanted to run two things at a time on my friend's ipad. Aug 17 03:08:18 use case: searching craigslist for housing Aug 17 03:08:22 esser: how much delay is involved in closing my kindle app to open my email app to read the new email that just arrived then close the email app to reopen kindle? Aug 17 03:08:32 clicking on links to get to the maps Aug 17 03:08:44 haeffb: i dunno, i dont have a kindle Aug 17 03:08:50 ergg, having trouble deciding how I want something to function Aug 17 03:08:52 probably takes a second and a half on my ipad? Aug 17 03:08:58 I think newer versions of iOS manage app-switching better Aug 17 03:09:12 but I don't think I like single-app focus Aug 17 03:09:22 Tibfib: anything you want my opinion on? Aug 17 03:09:23 summatusmentis: but, it's a really tiny screen Aug 17 03:09:31 possibly Aug 17 03:09:43 esser: not much smaller than my 13" macbook Aug 17 03:09:59 and for a mobile device, I think it's a nice size Aug 17 03:10:13 summatusmentis: yeah, exactly my point. Aug 17 03:10:15 it's just a mobile device Aug 17 03:10:18 it's not your macbook Aug 17 03:10:24 so I'm playing with an article "list" as an option for power users Aug 17 03:10:28 arg now my gmail account is not sending out.... blah Aug 17 03:10:29 and I can't decide how I want to do it Aug 17 03:10:32 but my macbook is just a mobile device Aug 17 03:10:42 summatusmentis: mine is my life! *paniced stare* Aug 17 03:10:46 very early stages: http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4256/upload816201192405pm.png Aug 17 03:10:57 so then tapping on a title will load it up Aug 17 03:11:23 I can't decide whether I want this list be accessible when in "card view" or whether it should ONLY be available when you choose it Aug 17 03:11:30 i think the touchpad could have hit a nice market niche if it could have brought a "retina display" to tablets before apple will Aug 17 03:11:40 multimedia fans would have gone gaga over it Aug 17 03:11:47 esser: at some level, a device is a device, and in theory any device ought to be able to do anything Aug 17 03:11:59 Tibfib: I vot not accessible in "card view" Aug 17 03:11:59 retina display is just marketing Aug 17 03:12:09 okay Aug 17 03:12:20 summatusmentis: if it was accessible it would be styled differently Aug 17 03:12:22 summatusmentis: yeah but that's just not how it works out. i used my ipad for email, reading documents, taking notes, organizing my calendar, and some facetime Aug 17 03:12:23 Tibfib, I'd like to browse the cards when the sliding pane isn't there but when I tap on a card, have that list pop up on the left and scroll to the one I just tapped on so I can easily go to the next articles with the pane still open. Aug 17 03:12:28 that's about it Aug 17 03:12:29 just like most iphone 4 users think they have 4g Aug 17 03:12:37 twbbas: thought about that Aug 17 03:12:42 could be awesome Aug 17 03:12:47 WOULD be awesome Aug 17 03:12:52 that's what the 4 means, right?!? Aug 17 03:12:52 SAME CHARACTERS ftw Aug 17 03:13:02 esser: so you're talking about use-cases Aug 17 03:13:02 you changed a "c" to "w" Aug 17 03:13:07 that's not the fault of the device Aug 17 03:13:07 and our name is same Aug 17 03:13:11 I"VE GOT IT Aug 17 03:13:17 so go with twbbas idea Aug 17 03:13:20 :D Aug 17 03:13:27 dawm|laptop: sorry, i didn't realize that 960x640px on 89mm screens was common before apple did it Aug 17 03:13:28 but for the preference choose whether that list shows up or not Aug 17 03:13:37 don't choose between list mode and card view Aug 17 03:13:41 Whenever that list pops up, have a stamp in the background saying "suggested by twbbas. buy his apps" Aug 17 03:13:47 bah Aug 17 03:13:49 Tibfib: I like this. Nicely done twbbas Aug 17 03:13:58 summatusmentis: ty, ty. Aug 17 03:14:29 Tibfib: Need a beta tester to test that feature? Aug 17 03:14:38 summatusmentis: yeah but what i mean is, realistically, what other use cases will the majority of the device's consumers really work with? Aug 17 03:14:40 hit me up if you do Aug 17 03:14:45 not many, is my guess. Aug 17 03:15:09 wait, i forgot a big one; watching movies Aug 17 03:15:25 that is definitely a 90%-percentile-or-better use case for tablets Aug 17 03:15:27 esser: I use mine for music Aug 17 03:15:36 This has to be the first day my TP has dropped below 50% battery since that first day I got it. Aug 17 03:15:38 I used mine to read without eye strain :p Aug 17 03:15:40 streaming video, pause to respond to a text/email/phone call, resume Aug 17 03:15:47 my e-reader tablet that is Aug 17 03:15:48 but how many people use computers for things beyond that Aug 17 03:15:56 The only reason it's at 18% right now is because I had wIRC running on it most of the day and it wasn't on the touchstone Aug 17 03:16:00 haeffb: you can do that just with iOS's approach Aug 17 03:16:05 *jsut fine Aug 17 03:16:11 ...i can't spell anymore, or type Aug 17 03:16:13 but you guys get the idea Aug 17 03:16:36 twbbas: eventually Aug 17 03:16:36 I like multitasking Aug 17 03:17:08 but I'm not the common use case for anything Aug 17 03:17:12 see, that's such a misnomer, though. do you multi-task, or do you multi-process? Aug 17 03:17:18 both Aug 17 03:17:28 I multi-process, often times Aug 17 03:17:32 you're right. you're not the common use case. Aug 17 03:17:39 * esser shrugs. Aug 17 03:17:39 I do multiple things at the same time, and swap between them Aug 17 03:17:49 task hibernation just plainly works fine for most things that most people do. 80/20 rule Aug 17 03:17:53 now the problem is, what about the people that want the article list to show up when you start up the feed? Aug 17 03:17:54 and it does definitely use less power Aug 17 03:18:06 and wish webos would restore my open apps when it or luna crashes Aug 17 03:18:06 Alright, I'm off to go plank on my bed. Cya #webos Aug 17 03:18:17 is there anywhere i can go for questions with the enyo feedreader tutorial? only the vety first BBC RSS feed works, if i type in anything else i get an Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'item' of null… Aug 17 03:18:30 i wonder if modeswitcher could have like a script to see if there was a crash Aug 17 03:18:33 and save what you had open Aug 17 03:18:35 i doubt it Aug 17 03:18:54 see, the thing is though esser, I agree with you in principle Aug 17 03:19:04 reduce the bg stuff to save power Aug 17 03:19:08 I don't like the implementation Aug 17 03:19:14 yeah i agree with dwc Aug 17 03:19:24 like honestly ou're not USING the app in the background necessarily Aug 17 03:19:29 yeah and that's totally fine. it can be done better. Aug 17 03:19:32 besides like a browser loading Aug 17 03:19:33 I'd prefer an older style system of cooperative multitasking Aug 17 03:19:34 and it sucks that webos didn't Aug 17 03:19:57 fine, you don't need to run most of the UI and etc whatever in the background? fine. don't. Aug 17 03:20:08 want to have a thread that can if you want it to? go for it Aug 17 03:20:08 it sucks that webos didn't do a lot of things Aug 17 03:20:28 let the process decide Aug 17 03:20:32 not the os Aug 17 03:20:36 eh, threads are dangerous on a platform where there's very little developer oversight Aug 17 03:20:37 summatusmentis: any ideas? Aug 17 03:20:47 invariably, every half-rate moron programmer will start using them as his own personal fetish Aug 17 03:20:58 and then your platform gets a reputation of dead-slow Aug 17 03:21:00 and sales tank Aug 17 03:21:04 it has profound impacts Aug 17 03:21:15 the tp will be here monday Aug 17 03:21:21 Jake_M: yo! Aug 17 03:21:48 hello Aug 17 03:22:09 ios is hardly lack of developer oversight Aug 17 03:22:26 shmeh, "start in list mode" preference Aug 17 03:22:35 there we go Aug 17 03:22:43 dwc-: i was speaking about an alternative implementation Aug 17 03:22:48 it's no worse than leaving the app open as it is now anyways Aug 17 03:22:49 because i am sure you'd keep it open, right? :) Aug 17 03:22:51 any of us would Aug 17 03:23:11 well for instance Aug 17 03:23:16 one time i left a game on Aug 17 03:23:20 and it like murdered my battery Aug 17 03:23:22 it's certainly not app threads making webos 1.x devices slow ;) Aug 17 03:23:24 because it doesn't go into "background" Aug 17 03:23:31 or 2.x on old hardware Aug 17 03:23:42 esser: It's nice that you're able to convince yourself that you don't need what the iPad doesn't do. I, on the other hand, found myself frustrated by the iPad after being used to webOS. Aug 17 03:24:11 anyone with a tp want tp test something for me? Aug 17 03:24:19 don't you have a tp yet patrick Aug 17 03:24:20 I am the great codeholio! Aug 17 03:24:28 NuttyBunny: you have just blown my mind. Aug 17 03:24:29 why is my gmail account being a pain? emails are getting stuck in the outbox Aug 17 03:24:44 a tweet pic of the tweet you're tweet pic'ing in. Aug 17 03:24:52 haeffb: Yo dawg.. Aug 17 03:26:00 dwc-: ordered it tonight Aug 17 03:26:04 it'll be here monday Aug 17 03:26:46 PatrickC: longest week of your life coming up. Aug 17 03:26:52 yeah.. I know Aug 17 03:27:03 does anyone know if Crosstalk works on the tp? Aug 17 03:28:19 Tibfib: sorry, what? Aug 17 03:28:25 * PuffTheMagic wonder if PatrickC's elevator goes all the way to the top floor Aug 17 03:29:23 summatusmentis: read up^ Aug 17 03:29:26 bbiab Aug 17 03:30:10 aaaaaanyway just came in to check on you guys. peaceee Aug 17 03:30:30 PuffTheMagic: why? Aug 17 03:31:13 everything works on the TP, its linux Aug 17 03:31:26 that shoudl answer every question you have Aug 17 03:32:33 lo Aug 17 03:32:52 lol* Aug 17 03:33:21 haeffb: it's not really a question of convincing anything Aug 17 03:33:25 i stated what i use my ipad for. Aug 17 03:33:58 what does nom**3 do? Aug 17 03:34:02 * jaf0 hides shamefully. Aug 17 03:34:12 jaf0: eats children. Aug 17 03:34:14 little ones Aug 17 03:35:45 Tibfib: so, re: start up when opening feed, I think you're trying to address two problems with one solution Aug 17 03:36:09 jaf0: Google Reader Aug 17 03:36:21 Tibfib: one is "I prefer to read my feed headlines in list format first, then pick and choose which ones I read" Aug 17 03:36:40 Tibfib: and the other is "I want a quick way to move between full views of feeds" Aug 17 03:38:08 Tibfib: for the first, I think twbbas_' idea is good Aug 17 03:38:17 Tibfib: no, sorry, for the second Aug 17 03:38:53 Tibfib: for the first, I think you need to reconsider the UI card paradigm, and figure out if there's a way to make it match this goal Aug 17 03:42:23 i've got an idea for a new webos app Aug 17 03:42:35 not sure if HP will let it through Aug 17 03:42:58 its an app that shows a countdown to the day webos dies Aug 17 03:43:35 you open it and it says "NEVER!"? Aug 17 03:43:40 no Aug 17 03:43:42 in coming months Aug 17 03:44:34 maybe also make a choose your own adventure / RPG game Aug 17 03:44:40 where you are the CEO of HP Aug 17 03:44:51 and you have to make decisions about webos products Aug 17 03:45:01 except all the correct buttons dont shit Aug 17 03:45:19 so u can only do things like launch with broken os Aug 17 03:45:34 top seller? Aug 17 03:51:05 PuffTheMagic: does enyo-wirc work at all yet? Aug 17 03:53:40 summatusmentis: I haven't heard anyone complain about issue 2 Aug 17 03:54:04 people don't really care about getting around Aug 17 03:54:24 what some people care about, is being able to view articles very fast and just by titles Aug 17 03:54:48 patc yes it does Aug 17 03:55:05 Tibfib: well, then what's the use-case for what you were asking about? Aug 17 03:55:34 PuffTheMagic: enough to connect to channels? Aug 17 03:55:35 so via twbbas_ solution, when you open the item view, another toaster comes in from the list with the vertical list of articles Aug 17 03:55:43 PatrickC: no, those screenshots are all fake. Aug 17 03:55:59 Tibfib: I have only seen screenshots of the preferences Aug 17 03:56:16 the issue with twbbas_ solution, is the people that ONLY care about the list, and not about the cards Aug 17 03:56:26 connect with channels, multiple servers, SSL, bouncers auto john chan Aug 17 03:56:36 cool! Aug 17 03:56:43 works nicer than Enyo ver Aug 17 03:56:48 so I can use it when I get my tp on monday Aug 17 03:56:50 s/enyo/mojo/ Aug 17 03:57:03 Tibfib: ping me tomorrow, I'm off to bed Aug 17 03:57:14 mmmkkaay Aug 17 03:57:15 cya Aug 17 03:57:20 first thing I'll do.. meta-doctor it so I can have ext3fs :) Aug 17 03:57:55 haeffb, how did I blow your mind?? Aug 17 04:04:23 ah.. installing Visual Studio 2010 Pro :) Aug 17 04:07:18 dang... tons of stuff to install Aug 17 04:17:30 Tibfib: you get your tp thru loaner? Aug 17 04:23:58 hey SineOt long time no see Aug 17 04:24:21 looks like everyone's getting their VZW updates NOW Aug 17 04:24:28 hey hey Aug 17 04:24:29 even meta dr'd phones Aug 17 04:25:00 SineOt: got a tp yet? Aug 17 04:25:11 my phone is stuck on "checking for updates"..... Aug 17 04:27:11 nah Aug 17 04:27:27 The idea of a 7" TouchPad Go is pretty nice :p Aug 17 04:27:28 gonna grab one? Aug 17 04:28:04 7" is too small for me Aug 17 04:29:40 Eh. Way more portable without being too big Aug 17 04:30:29 I'm happy with my TouchPad that'll be arriving on monday :) Aug 17 04:31:55 4" is nice for being entirely pocketable and portable, and 7" would be the perfect blend between needed size and that portability, y'know? Aug 17 04:32:12 I still like the bigger Aug 17 04:32:16 well, I'm off to bed Aug 17 04:32:18 night all Aug 17 04:36:00 Tibfib: just tried nom, nice Aug 17 04:37:07 though, would be nice if it would start at All Aug 17 04:38:46 Tibfib: ping Aug 17 04:41:40 Tibfib: nvm Aug 17 04:41:42 night all Aug 17 04:53:21 weee Aug 17 05:17:07 recreating all graphics at 1x5x for Pre3? Mind numbing. Aug 17 06:54:01 I hate photoshop Aug 17 06:55:35 kesne: oh? Aug 17 06:55:44 oil: It's the worst thing ever Aug 17 06:55:53 * hotdp is not a painter Aug 17 07:01:19 All that I want is to create a mask from an existing layer Aug 17 07:01:21 Is that so hard? Aug 17 07:04:50 ctrl+click layer, click another layer, click add layer mask button, bam Aug 17 07:09:00 oil: Does not work Aug 17 07:09:59 works here :/ Aug 17 07:12:01 oil: For reals? I'm on CS5 mang Aug 17 07:12:02 No work Aug 17 07:12:03 :P Aug 17 07:12:26 guess i dont know what you wanted to do Aug 17 07:13:57 oil: I have a black object in one layer. I want to use that as a mask for a different layer. Aug 17 07:43:00 * gokr sent a request for a public bug tracker (or at least a submission form) to a friend at Palm, he was going to forward it to the "right people". Aug 17 08:30:24 gokr: that request has been sent numerous times before over the last two years. Don't hold your breath. Aug 17 08:30:44 Right, but anyway :) Aug 17 08:31:52 He gave me some interesting insight into scrolling performance issues, evidently one source was "immature GPU-compositing support in WebKit". Aug 17 08:33:14 I cancelled my TP order from Amazon, they seem to be slow in shipping and I need it on sunday at the latest. Aug 17 08:33:38 Flying to Edinburgh for a dev conference there - hopefully I can pick one up there. Aug 17 08:34:50 rwhitby: Up very late or very early? Aug 17 08:36:32 gokr: 6pm in my timezone, so neither. Aug 17 08:37:07 Oh, my bad. I am a 24h guy, misread the local time in Newark. Aug 17 08:37:57 This whole discussion on Best Buy sales numbers looks a bit worrying. Aug 17 08:38:29 gokr: newark happens to be the freenode server I am connected to. I'm in Australia. Aug 17 08:38:37 Oh :) Aug 17 08:38:57 Btw, am I the only one who has taken 100+ pics with a Pre 2? Aug 17 08:39:05 Or rather, with OS2.1. Aug 17 08:39:43 gokr: Probably not, why? Aug 17 08:40:01 Well, suddenly my camera "stopped working". Aug 17 08:40:12 I could snap, and I got a thumbnail - but couldn't tap it. Aug 17 08:40:12 can you get logs? Aug 17 08:40:22 Photos app didn't show any more pics. Aug 17 08:40:35 I've had that happen every now and then. Sometimes a reboot worked. Aug 17 08:40:42 And after a few days I got suspicious and looked on disk - and tada, there they are! Aug 17 08:40:46 Or most of the time. Been a while sicne the last time. Aug 17 08:40:56 And then I discovered that the last pick that Photos app shows is called CIMG0099.jpg. Aug 17 08:41:04 That can't be a coincidence. Aug 17 08:41:16 Ah. I wonder if that is a media indexer bug. Aug 17 08:41:23 Haven't checked logs though. Aug 17 08:41:48 The next pic is called CIMG0100.jpg. Aug 17 08:42:04 It kinda felt like a silly filename bug. Aug 17 08:42:11 Restart doesn Aug 17 08:42:12 If you notice something unusual, please email them to me. Aug 17 08:42:14 't help. Aug 17 08:42:15 possibly Aug 17 08:42:37 I will play with nuking some pics and see what happens. Aug 17 08:43:14 Anyway, I posted it in a forum (gotta check if I got a reply) and also sent it to my friend at Palm - he was going to forward it. Along with a request for at least a bug submission form :) Aug 17 08:43:36 Ah. Who do you know there? Aug 17 08:43:44 Joshua Gargus. Aug 17 08:44:04 Which department. The name doesn't ring bell. Aug 17 08:44:23 you guys may want to take this to /msg Aug 17 08:44:33 Sure. Aug 17 08:44:40 I don't know department though :) Aug 17 08:44:46 Ah. Aug 17 08:44:51 But he is a dev. Aug 17 08:45:05 Sweet :) Aug 17 08:45:06 Fellow Smalltalker :) Aug 17 08:45:45 Which is my pet project on webOS - making apps using Jtalk. Aug 17 08:45:50 It looks promising. Aug 17 08:45:57 oh cool! Aug 17 08:46:29 First silly experiment: https://github.com/gokr/jtalk/tree/master/webos/hellojtalk Aug 17 08:47:02 If you clone down jtalk and have the SDK installed (Linux) then a simple "make run" should hopefully get it up in emulator. Aug 17 08:47:05 singmajesty is pretty big on writing apps that are in other languages. He might think this is cool, if you haven't already talked with him. Aug 17 08:47:25 Nope, I am new to the community - no idea who he is. Aug 17 08:47:59 It is one of our Dev Rel guys. Pretty cool. He knows a decent bit about JS and PDK stuff. Aug 17 08:48:04 One thing I would like to do is rewire the Jtalk IDE to use Enyo instead of JQuery, you can see it in your browser here: www.jtalk-project.org Aug 17 08:48:10 Just push the button there. Aug 17 08:48:10 s/It/He/ Aug 17 08:48:54 Being a Smalltalker I would like to develop "live" apps having the IDE right on the TP. Aug 17 08:49:31 And since Jtalk even has a debugger now (although extremely thin so far) it could get fun. Aug 17 08:49:44 dkirker: You're a dev at Palm or? Aug 17 08:50:00 gokr: I'm on App Review in Developer Relations. Aug 17 08:50:19 Ah, cool. Aug 17 08:51:14 * gokr hopes to find a TP before monday... Aug 17 08:51:36 I am in Sweden. Aug 17 08:51:40 Ah Aug 17 08:51:43 hmmm Aug 17 08:51:55 Which also means the app catalog is ... not that impressive :) Aug 17 08:52:28 hmmm.... Where to get a TouchPad in Sweden? Aug 17 08:52:35 Exactly. No can do. Aug 17 08:53:01 I got my Pre 2 because I visited a dev meetup here a few weeks ago. Aug 17 08:53:38 But of course, ordering from Amazon etc would work - but I cancelled it, they seem to take forever to ship. Aug 17 08:53:56 I'd imagine that customs would slow things down a bit. Aug 17 08:54:01 Probably. Aug 17 08:54:09 But I got the accessories damn fast! :) Aug 17 08:54:18 So I do have a Touchstone and a wireless keyboard, yay! Aug 17 08:54:18 hehe Aug 17 08:54:46 Hope to find one in Edinburgh. Perhaps even at the airport when I arrive on sunday. Aug 17 08:55:00 That might be very possible. Aug 17 08:55:16 I am attending ESUG - yearly one week Smalltalk conference. Would like to flaunt the TP and demo some Jtalk stuff then. Aug 17 08:55:24 airports... hmmm. Please let me know what you find. Aug 17 08:55:58 I am hoping these guys have it (there is one shop there): http://www.dixonstravel.co.uk/HP-Touchpad-Black-16GB-Wifi-P214.aspx Aug 17 08:55:59 gokr: are you in contact with swisstomcat ? Aug 17 08:56:04 nope. Aug 17 08:56:31 Swiss? Sounds more like Switzerland. Aug 17 08:56:31 european dev relations. unfortunately I think he is in the US at the moment. Aug 17 08:56:36 Aha. Aug 17 08:56:40 Yes, he is. Aug 17 08:56:47 Let me check - the guy who was here... Aug 17 08:57:24 Right, Markus Leutwyler. Aug 17 08:57:40 that's him Aug 17 08:58:06 Ah. Aug 17 08:58:37 I sent him an email, but he was probably a bit busy to answer my feeble questions. He gave me the Pre 2 though, so kudos to him! :) Aug 17 08:59:21 Alright, I need to get to bed. It is 2a and I promised myself to be in bed by 10... Aug 17 08:59:41 Oops. Know the feeling. Aug 17 08:59:47 gokr: Please let me know what your experience hunting down a TouchPad is. I'd like to know. :) Aug 17 09:00:16 I have a friend who has written a nice TV stream app for Sweden, he hasn't released it because he didn't have a device to test it on. Aug 17 09:00:44 We tested it on my Pre 2 and it works great - except for launching the urls for the actual stream. Silly bug, wanted to fix it so that he can release it. Aug 17 09:00:55 dkirker: sure. Aug 17 09:01:01 That would definitely be cool! Aug 17 09:01:38 I started digging, it's something to do with redirects on URLs etc. Launching player instead of browser etc. Aug 17 09:01:45 dkirker: Got it. Aug 17 09:02:42 Alright, night everyone! See y'all in the morning. Aug 17 09:02:46 gnite Aug 17 11:31:18 hi, in my app I use the people picker. I want the user to select a phone number, but when a contact is selected the people picker is popped and the contact information is returned as json. From iOS I know there is a predefined class and view that handles phone number selection where after a contact is selected another view is pushed and the user can select a phone number (each contact can... Aug 17 11:31:19 ...have mutiple phone numbers) Aug 17 11:31:49 Is there something similar in webos? Aug 17 11:31:58 the native contact app has this feature Aug 17 12:45:23 Hi. Does anyone know, when (if at all) I can upgrade the veer with webOs 3.0.2? Aug 17 12:48:13 mcahornsirup: Most likely, if it ever gets updated, it will be called 2.2 and probably include Enyo. I think 2.2 is soon ready (goes out with Pre 3, like... today I think) but might need adjustments for older phones. Hope, hope. Aug 17 12:55:53 I read "Upgradable to webOS 3.0" here https://developer.palm.com/content/showcase/device_showcase.html :) I ordered mine on sunday and it should be in my hands tomorrow ... Aug 17 12:56:54 I really hope enyo will be supported - I'am not going to invest into mojo… Aug 17 12:57:06 mcahornsirup: I think, for all practical purposes, that would be the same. Enyo is the key. Aug 17 13:59:01 morning all Aug 17 13:59:16 howdy Aug 17 13:59:56 I dont know if this is right place to ask, but is there way to try out hp app catalog on webos emulator? Aug 17 13:59:58 hey Aug 17 14:00:14 this is the right plave Aug 17 14:00:16 place* Aug 17 14:00:21 Im just intrested, my touchpad is still in the mail :) Aug 17 14:00:22 but the answer is no Aug 17 14:00:33 mine is too :) Aug 17 14:00:52 PatrickC: okay, too bad Aug 17 14:14:29 sorry.. wirc disconnected me and I didn't know it Aug 17 14:17:41 whoa Aug 17 14:17:47 what? Aug 17 14:17:52 palm.com/rom has 2.1.0 for vz pre2 Aug 17 14:17:59 yeah? Aug 17 14:17:59 when i pump my serial number in Aug 17 14:18:05 it came out last night iirc Aug 17 14:18:19 i was just thinking how lame am i going to palm.com/rom and precentral forums multiple times a day looking for anything new Aug 17 14:18:26 and there it goes finally Aug 17 14:18:31 sweet Aug 17 14:18:46 fxspec06_: last night? or today did it come out? Aug 17 14:19:25 say thank you Aug 17 14:19:30 i tweeted that shaaaaaat Aug 17 14:19:35 nice Aug 17 14:19:39 I don't have a vzw pre2 :) Aug 17 14:19:54 thanks verizon! now release 2.2.0! Aug 17 14:19:55 lol Aug 17 14:20:00 really Aug 17 14:20:01 k work Aug 17 14:20:02 I have an unlocked, and didn't have to wait cor a carrier to release :) Aug 17 14:20:37 i had mine metadoctored to 2.1.0 but im always interested in seeing what the official release will bring Aug 17 14:21:02 * PatrickC finally got VS Pro installed :D Aug 17 14:21:08 I'm soo happy lol Aug 17 14:21:36 this is a pretty good day... pre2 2.1.0 vz release is out, people in europe are getting their Pre3's... Aug 17 14:22:04 nope Aug 17 14:22:07 not shipping Aug 17 14:22:25 Just received an email from HP - they have no stock to send out to people who made preorders. They advise wait til next week. Megalol. /via @errade Aug 17 14:22:37 you can still buy it in a store ;) Aug 17 14:23:09 well there is at least one person who got theirs Aug 17 14:23:14 in the pre3 forum Aug 17 14:24:07 really? Aug 17 14:24:23 * PatrickC had a dream he was at Palm playing with Pre³'s :D Aug 17 14:24:28 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/ Aug 17 14:24:36 absolutely abysmal launch - seems like they just have no organization Aug 17 14:24:38 RedMist is the user Aug 17 14:25:07 did they ever make a cdma veer or did they just pass on that completely? Aug 17 14:25:37 hopefully verizon gets the pre3 soon after it comes to att Aug 17 14:25:44 did sprint or verizon want one? Aug 17 14:26:17 veer? Aug 17 14:26:20 yes Aug 17 14:26:32 lol probably not Aug 17 14:26:39 clearly sprint doesnt want any webOS devices, and its debatable whether Verizon is in for much longer. Aug 17 14:26:56 yeah :/ Aug 17 14:27:00 blah Aug 17 14:27:04 I don't want to go to ATT :/ Aug 17 14:30:19 hmm where does the actual doctor file end up that gets downloaded by the .jnlp file? i want to save it for later Aug 17 14:30:22 NuttyBunny: TOUCHPAD? Aug 17 14:30:41 what desktop os? Aug 17 14:30:45 win7 Aug 17 14:30:50 I've never had to dl a .jnlp file... Aug 17 14:30:58 what browser? Aug 17 14:31:02 yeah thats what the palm.com/rom gives you. firefo Aug 17 14:31:03 x Aug 17 14:31:12 checking tem pfolders Aug 17 14:36:16 there... Aug 17 14:36:44 oil, PuffTheMagic , how do I insert the server address in enyo-wirc if the VK doesn't appear? :( Aug 17 14:37:28 it should bring one up when you tap on the text entry field Aug 17 14:37:32 looks like this is the link http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p210r0d08162011/ver1z0np210rod/webosdoctorp102verizonwireless.jar Aug 17 14:37:34 nice Aug 17 14:37:59 NuttyBunny: hold on I will fix that Aug 17 14:39:37 hmm that used to work fine Aug 17 14:40:06 PatrickC, TP is here, whatsup Aug 17 14:40:06 NuttyBunny: why do you ask us questions about wirc in here and not in #wirc? Aug 17 14:40:43 PuffTheMagic, ... you're right :) Aug 17 14:51:31 kevets: add it to the wiki :) Aug 17 14:53:39 and Palm still names Rod in their doctors ;) Aug 17 14:53:49 where? Aug 17 14:53:53 * PatrickC wants to see! Aug 17 14:54:47 in what circumstance would I use something like this, var f = (function(){var g="";})(); Aug 17 14:55:06 I can't find any examples on what this does, exactly Aug 17 14:56:25 what happens if I download an app on my phone *after* the profile has been shared with my touchpad? Aug 17 14:56:29 is this considered a self executing anonymous function? Aug 17 14:56:33 does the app dl on the touchpad? Aug 17 14:56:36 matbee: a callback Aug 17 14:57:24 any time you need to pass a function as an argument Aug 17 14:57:28 to another function Aug 17 14:57:51 well there's also.. Aug 17 14:57:56 there are lots of places Aug 17 14:58:11 (function(parameter){var g="";})(usethisparameter); Aug 17 14:58:31 it's not a callback? Aug 17 14:58:45 its a parameter, which could technically be a callback Aug 17 14:59:56 now you are just typing random shit Aug 17 15:06:02 wow! I've does 26gb transfer over wifi haha Aug 17 15:06:08 27.6* Aug 17 15:08:09 how many millions would you owe if that was $1/MB on AT&T Aug 17 15:08:26 that's why I'm on sprint Aug 17 15:09:40 what do you use to keep track of your traffic PatrickC Aug 17 15:09:57 Netstat in Preware Aug 17 15:10:14 instapaper > read it later Aug 17 15:10:25 for instapaper, I don't have to save users passwords in plain text Aug 17 15:10:31 for readitlater, I do. Aug 17 15:10:33 lame. Aug 17 15:10:39 I like instapaper Aug 17 15:12:52 nice Aug 17 15:13:38 running the official 2.1.0 doctor on my phone onw Aug 17 15:13:58 * PatrickC has been :) Aug 17 15:14:02 unlocked FTW! Aug 17 15:14:21 i'm just a verizon user don't mind me lol Aug 17 15:14:37 lol Aug 17 15:14:47 * PatrickC doesn't have his pre2 activated though Aug 17 15:14:52 will be interesting to see if anything is different from my previous build Aug 17 15:15:03 i angered the gods and built a 2.1.0 metadoctor in cygwin Aug 17 15:15:08 I'm just a sprint user, don't mind me Aug 17 15:15:12 Hey Everyone Aug 17 15:15:18 hey tomhut Aug 17 15:15:18 reset complete wewt Aug 17 15:15:37 kevets1: cygwin has been known to make phones unbootable Aug 17 15:15:45 Everyone doing well? Aug 17 15:15:51 yep Aug 17 15:15:56 ordered my touchpad :D Aug 17 15:16:01 arr dont tempt me! Aug 17 15:16:09 can monday be tomorrow? please! Aug 17 15:16:13 they have them in stock in the carphone warehouse next door Aug 17 15:16:14 what do ya mean? lol Aug 17 15:16:19 oh lol Aug 17 15:16:23 yeah i was trying to prove it wrong cause i couldn't really see a difference since it was just a simple build script - mine was successful Aug 17 15:16:36 kevets1: it was random Aug 17 15:16:48 I used cygwin for like 4 meta-doctors and never saw it Aug 17 15:16:54 i figured judging from the responses i got to my post Aug 17 15:16:56 tomhut: are you a developer? Aug 17 15:17:03 Yes Aug 17 15:17:07 iOS dev by day Aug 17 15:17:23 webos dev? Aug 17 15:17:28 done some Aug 17 15:17:33 toyed with my pre 2 Aug 17 15:18:03 webos devs get discounted touchpads :) Aug 17 15:18:10 I get mine for $324 for a 32GB Aug 17 15:19:03 i'm going to start telling my family what a great christmas gift a touchpad will be Aug 17 15:19:07 scheming Aug 17 15:19:25 lol Aug 17 15:19:32 well Aug 17 15:19:36 my parents ordered one with me Aug 17 15:19:38 I'm waiting for the touchpad prices to plummet Aug 17 15:19:39 Where can we grab a discounted one? Aug 17 15:19:40 they like it too :P Aug 17 15:19:55 bestbuy is trying to make hp buy back their touchpads ;P Aug 17 15:19:57 tomhut: become a developer :) Aug 17 15:19:58 i'm just a big cheapskate and don't want to buy oen for myself just yet Aug 17 15:20:00 matbee: they have? Aug 17 15:20:12 Haha i am one, have been registered for a while Aug 17 15:20:15 kevets1: I couldn't pass up a 32GB at $324 Aug 17 15:20:28 tomhut: have any apps out in the catalog? Aug 17 15:20:34 * kevets1 waited until he could get the Pre2 at verizon for $49 to bite the bullet Aug 17 15:20:38 if you have at least 1 you get 25% off Aug 17 15:20:44 kevets1: wow Aug 17 15:20:48 i wish i had jumped on it when it was free Aug 17 15:20:51 I got my pre2 free Aug 17 15:20:53 which was awesome Aug 17 15:20:53 I got mine thru dev device :) Aug 17 15:20:53 Arr won't be able to, had to pull mine due to a new job Aug 17 15:21:00 well, pull before release. Aug 17 15:21:07 still think the pre2 is the best deal in smartphones Aug 17 15:21:07 tomhut: why? Aug 17 15:21:14 clause in contract Aug 17 15:21:21 ah Aug 17 15:21:26 left that place now Aug 17 15:21:29 make one under your own name? Aug 17 15:21:36 I'm 15 and make apps lol Aug 17 15:21:38 yes, but wasn't finished Aug 17 15:21:48 Might finish it now I have left and launch Aug 17 15:22:00 I have 6 out, and 7 webos devices in the house, 5 of which are mine. will have another on monday Aug 17 15:22:10 6 apps* Aug 17 15:22:28 Nice Aug 17 15:22:33 yeah Aug 17 15:22:44 made about $100 from my junky apps so far :) Aug 17 15:22:57 my next one(s) will make that in the first day/week I hope Aug 17 15:23:04 Haha nice Aug 17 15:23:12 I do commercial iOS stuff during the day Aug 17 15:23:19 awesome Aug 17 15:23:22 mostly bespoke apps for larger companies Aug 17 15:23:24 I'm gonna do iOS soon Aug 17 15:23:26 for in house/events Aug 17 15:23:34 lots of iPad stuff at the moment Aug 17 15:23:36 I need a mac first lol Aug 17 15:24:19 Im all mac Aug 17 15:24:45 I've only got winblows Aug 17 15:24:49 and ubuntu Aug 17 15:26:01 Arr i see Aug 17 15:26:16 I'll be gettin a mac soon though Aug 17 15:26:28 * NuttyBunny has to work... *closes twitter and fb on the browser* Aug 17 15:26:35 PatrickC: booo Aug 17 15:27:39 mac software is lame Aug 17 15:28:07 epyon22-jszejner: mac is needed for iOS DEV Aug 17 15:28:15 NuttyBunny: COME BACK! Aug 17 15:28:47 hmm, self executing anonymous functions are clever, clever beasts Aug 17 15:28:48 PatrickC: really? why? they just dont support any other os's for dev? Aug 17 15:29:01 yeep Aug 17 15:29:05 and the module pattern is beautiful Aug 17 15:29:06 matbee: haha sounds like a handful Aug 17 15:29:08 they are a mac only company :/ Aug 17 15:29:37 epyon22-jszejner, yeah, I got sick of how crazy javascript is when using palm's js frameworks Aug 17 15:29:45 because Apple Aug 17 15:29:46 I need to find the best way for me Aug 17 15:30:28 I'm thinking jquery templates, phonegap and knockoutjs will be the reigning champ Aug 17 15:38:37 Hi. My Veer just arrived. Sadly, I need to start the registration process again… but I can not turn it off - is there a button combination for a "reset" I need restart it. All I see is a cloudy blue screen and a message according to my missing simcard… Aug 17 15:39:39 there's like, alt+shift+r or something Aug 17 15:39:46 :) Aug 17 15:39:58 alt+sym+r ? Aug 17 15:40:15 hold power + toggle silent mode 3 times Aug 17 15:40:52 NICE! Aug 17 15:43:01 3 is the magic number : ) Do you know, if the developer account can be used as a user account? Or do I need another "user" account... Aug 17 15:43:20 any email address can be used Aug 17 15:44:48 Y U NO SAVE URLS INSTAPAPER? Aug 17 15:50:09 damn Aug 17 15:50:23 my yahoo synergy account still is having problems authenticating Aug 17 15:50:36 login via web interface, try, try again Aug 17 15:50:43 hp, y u no make tmobile usa phones >.< Aug 17 15:50:49 unspecificied error: 1299 - cookies got from server are empty. invalid credentials Aug 17 15:50:51 blah Aug 17 15:50:53 or at&t, y u no just eat tmobile faster Aug 17 15:51:01 beeecccaaauuusee nobody in their right mind uses tmobile? Aug 17 15:51:03 i have logged into the web interface though, its weird. Aug 17 15:51:07 maybe ill change my pwd Aug 17 15:51:49 webos has some crazy setup where we get free imap access to normally pop only yahoo accounts which may be a cause of it. Aug 17 15:51:50 crimsonredmk: cause then sprint's gonna be the 1st grader against 2 senior high schoolers Aug 17 15:55:25 okay instapaper support is a go Aug 17 15:55:30 :D Aug 17 15:55:34 awesome! Aug 17 15:55:36 * twbbas goes and gets an instapaper account Aug 17 15:55:47 twbbas: not yet Aug 17 15:55:59 why not Aug 17 15:56:02 Tibfib: does your instapaper account cost? or are you using the free one? Aug 17 15:56:17 PatrickC: I'm using free Aug 17 15:56:23 because.. I have an instapaper acct for Spare Time Aug 17 15:56:30 and I believe the api I'm using is for free accounts Aug 17 15:56:38 and it won't work for the app on TouchPad Aug 17 15:56:44 Tibfib: ah ok Aug 17 15:57:04 now to do read it later Aug 17 15:57:05 Spare Time doesn't use the API or something so they don't have to charge Aug 17 15:57:05 twbbas: precede then :) Aug 17 15:57:22 twbbas: Spare Time charges for the app Aug 17 15:57:31 so they don't need to charge for the acct Aug 17 15:57:47 the touchpad Instapaper is a free app, and therefore charges for accts Aug 17 15:57:54 No, the user would still need to pay Instapaper for an API account Aug 17 15:57:55 no, you've got it wrong Aug 17 15:58:07 who? me? or twbbas? Aug 17 15:58:09 The developer of Paper Mache (rwatkins) doesn't get the $1 Aug 17 15:58:19 I know Aug 17 15:58:20 PatrickC: papermache uses the official instapaper API, which requires USERS to pay $1 a month to use Aug 17 15:58:21 who do you think... Aug 17 15:58:23 Instapaper does because you must have that account to use it with the API Aug 17 15:58:39 then why is spare time free? Aug 17 15:58:45 we covered this Aug 17 15:58:47 Sparetime uses an UNOFFICIAL api which doesn't require users to be charged for Aug 17 15:58:50 It uses the website, not the API Aug 17 15:58:50 just the other day Aug 17 15:58:52 we have, MULTIPLE times Aug 17 15:58:55 it's a SCRAPER Aug 17 15:59:00 which is really lame Aug 17 15:59:00 PatrickC: can you say scraper? Aug 17 15:59:03 mmm....... scraper...... Aug 17 15:59:08 because you said it the other day Aug 17 15:59:12 sugardave: never used scraper/heard of it Aug 17 15:59:14 I didn't say it Aug 17 15:59:21 it was told to you, then Aug 17 15:59:21 someone else must have Aug 17 15:59:22 scraping is a terrible and mostly dishonest practice Aug 17 15:59:25 I was right here Aug 17 15:59:28 okay not terrible Aug 17 15:59:32 but typically dishonest Aug 17 16:00:00 If you are scraping when there is an API available, you are specifically breaching the terms of use for the API Aug 17 16:00:11 typically. Aug 17 16:00:15 sometimes scraping is the only option :( Aug 17 16:00:20 if you're not using the API, how can you breach it's terms of use? Aug 17 16:00:34 Loudergood: because APIs typically say you can't access the content by another method Aug 17 16:00:39 you can't :) you're probably breaching the web site's term of use though :) Aug 17 16:00:42 sugardave: sure Aug 17 16:00:51 yeah, what Lazar_Dobrescu said Aug 17 16:00:55 that makes more sense Lazar_Dobrescu Aug 17 16:01:48 yeah, I misspoke. I meant the sites TOU Aug 17 16:03:10 I finally figured out how to (mostly) keep a carousel/scroller from going past its boundaries Aug 17 16:03:28 sugardave: fix snap scrollers yet??? Aug 17 16:03:37 really ugly, you have to access the component scroller a la this.$.scroller.$.scroll Aug 17 16:03:45 Tibfib: what's wrong with them, again? Aug 17 16:03:54 they are awful. Aug 17 16:03:59 I'm using a virtual carousel that has a snap scroller in it Aug 17 16:04:02 it is working :D Aug 17 16:04:09 snapTo doesn't work well Aug 17 16:04:18 it often starts animating and then realizes it never needed to and snaps back Aug 17 16:04:19 well, it's derived from snapscroller Aug 17 16:04:37 it doesn't let you specify a class or kind to use to snap to Aug 17 16:04:38 I saw something about a bug with snapTo in the forums last night Aug 17 16:04:45 snapscrollers are the devil! Aug 17 16:04:54 AND, I found a bug in nomnomnom with them Aug 17 16:04:59 woo! Aug 17 16:05:03 you're on a roll Aug 17 16:05:10 so, no, I haven't fixed that Aug 17 16:05:15 hop to it! Aug 17 16:05:32 meh Aug 17 16:05:37 shmeh Aug 17 16:05:40 I wouldn't want to, either Aug 17 16:05:44 I'd rather see your creative workaround ;) Aug 17 16:05:44 but still, someone should fix them Aug 17 16:05:58 ie making an entirely new snap scroller Aug 17 16:06:36 I'm off to the HP building to find out about using the "education center" for Austin webOS meetups Aug 17 16:06:39 bbl Aug 17 16:06:49 cya Aug 17 16:07:11 Right, i need some convincing to buy an hp touchpad, somebody please push me off the fence. Aug 17 16:08:06 1: its amazing Aug 17 16:08:10 2: its awesome Aug 17 16:08:11 OM NOMNOMNOM Aug 17 16:08:13 3: you want to Aug 17 16:08:28 haha shameless tibfib! Aug 17 16:08:35 4: why am I still giving you reasons, when #1 was enough? Aug 17 16:08:43 tomhut: NomNomNom is an app :) Aug 17 16:08:47 I KNOW Aug 17 16:08:50 haha Aug 17 16:08:56 lies Aug 17 16:08:57 PatrickC: sometimes people know things and you don't need to tell them. Aug 17 16:08:59 woopse, sorry about the caps Aug 17 16:09:21 Tibfib: I didn't know how long he had been in here Aug 17 16:09:33 I feel like halfhalo just hangs out so he can say "lies" at least once a day Aug 17 16:09:45 that is a definite possibility Aug 17 16:09:45 he does Aug 17 16:09:46 must be theraputic Aug 17 16:12:34 :P Aug 17 16:14:16 is the official HP touchpad case really better then the third-party ones? Aug 17 16:14:24 There are third party ones? Aug 17 16:14:29 yeah Aug 17 16:15:00 ianbeck: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005C856F4/ref=mp_s_a_2?qid=1313597538&sr=8-2 Aug 17 16:15:20 Interesting, will have to look into this Aug 17 16:15:26 I'm not a huge fan of the HP case Aug 17 16:15:47 I'm not a huge fan of the price Aug 17 16:16:04 I don't want to spend $36 on a case when I can spend $18 Aug 17 16:17:48 Adora: hey! Aug 17 16:18:19 oh yay the 214 vzw build fixes headphone port now Aug 17 16:18:32 can I use any bt kb with it? or does the official bt kb have special things?, Aug 17 16:23:41 hey chuqui Aug 17 16:23:57 PatrickC: hola Aug 17 16:24:10 yay Aug 17 16:24:11 nice work on vzw build Aug 17 16:24:14 whoever done that. Aug 17 16:24:15 readitlater support is a go Aug 17 16:25:14 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis: version coming your way Aug 17 16:25:32 * halfhalo-work wants pre3 in the us kthxby Aug 17 16:25:35 f*** yes! Aug 17 16:25:50 Tibfib: I'm writing your review right now, too! Aug 17 16:25:57 hah on the catalog? Aug 17 16:26:04 yep! Aug 17 16:26:11 thanks! Aug 17 16:26:45 twbbas: neat, I'll get back to real internet tonight, so it'll be much easier for me to test Aug 17 16:26:52 err... Tibfib Aug 17 16:27:00 also, I should write a review Aug 17 16:27:03 Tibfib: can I get in on the beta? Aug 17 16:27:03 sweet Aug 17 16:27:04 thanks! Aug 17 16:27:08 I'll have a touchpad monday Aug 17 16:27:20 PatrickC: once you get a touchpad Aug 17 16:27:25 message me then Aug 17 16:27:26 tomhut: can you articulate why you're on the fence about it? Aug 17 16:27:31 ok, I'll let you know monday Aug 17 16:28:14 summatusmentis, twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, have you guys purchased nomnomnom or are you running the beta? Aug 17 16:28:20 bought Aug 17 16:28:24 if you haven't purchased, lemme send you promo codes Aug 17 16:28:25 I'm still running the beta Aug 17 16:28:31 summatusmentis: k, coming your way Aug 17 16:28:35 twbbas: ? Aug 17 16:29:04 Tibfib: will the betas you send out install separately than the app store version? Aug 17 16:29:15 umm, I should do that Aug 17 16:29:17 but not this one Aug 17 16:29:22 I will set up a private preware feed Aug 17 16:29:33 you should do this Aug 17 16:29:35 I like this idea Aug 17 16:29:37 summatusmentis: you have the hp bluetooth kb? Aug 17 16:29:42 no Aug 17 16:29:50 the only accessory I bought was the case Aug 17 16:29:51 IGNTNUNLMTD: ? Aug 17 16:30:07 I can't decide if the keyboard or the TS is my next purchase Aug 17 16:30:10 Tibfib: Beta Aug 17 16:30:18 k, promo codes coming your way Aug 17 16:30:19 it sorta feels like if I get one I need the other Aug 17 16:30:19 I'm wanting to get a bt keyboard, but don't know if the HP one has anything special over a regular one Aug 17 16:30:23 Tibfib: thanks Aug 17 16:30:34 summatusmentis: the touchstone is cheapest on HP's site Aug 17 16:30:36 hey can we trust dl numbers yet? Aug 17 16:30:39 cc chuqui Aug 17 16:30:43 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=FB339AA%23ABA&aoid=20715&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=FB339AA#ABA Aug 17 16:30:47 PatrickC: I don't think so. All the "special" buttons on the bt keyboard are actually like the esc key and such Aug 17 16:31:05 You'd probably be better off buying a regular one Aug 17 16:31:18 really? that's good Aug 17 16:31:23 I don't own one so you may want to ask someone that has one Aug 17 16:31:24 * Tibfib is happy at "fake" download numbers from yesterday Aug 17 16:31:27 regular ones are cheaper :) Aug 17 16:31:39 IGNTNUNLMTD: you have the hp bt kb? lol Aug 17 16:31:48 I do know for a fact that the esc key on a regular bt kb acts like the card view key on the hp one Aug 17 16:31:56 so I'd assume all the other special buttons are masked regular keys Aug 17 16:31:59 PatrickC: yep, I have all three OEM accessories Aug 17 16:32:21 does it have any special keys on it? Aug 17 16:32:25 card key Aug 17 16:32:28 or would a regular bt kb work fine? Aug 17 16:32:30 Tibfib: the download numbers seem a lot more accurate, but they are not very close to real time; seem to settle towards real numbers a few days back Aug 17 16:32:30 message notification key Aug 17 16:32:38 media keys Aug 17 16:32:45 IGNTNUNLMTD: But aren't those actually the esc key? Aug 17 16:32:46 ianbeck: are the inflated? Aug 17 16:32:47 and etc Aug 17 16:32:54 twbbas: no Aug 17 16:33:03 ianbeck: or, just off? Aug 17 16:33:06 IGNTNUNLMTD: argh.. now I have to get the official lol Aug 17 16:33:09 IGNTNUNLMTD: But can't an esc key be used on a regular bt kb to go into card view? Aug 17 16:33:12 message notification key? Aug 17 16:33:21 twbbas: good question; no idea Aug 17 16:33:36 Tibfib: they seem pretty consistent with my personal tracking numbers currently Aug 17 16:33:39 IGNTNUNLMTD: That's what I remember hearing so I bet the other special keys are regular keys, just masked. Aug 17 16:33:42 ianbeck: awesome Aug 17 16:33:43 I'll use the media keys Aug 17 16:33:50 Good day of nomnomnom yesterday Aug 17 16:33:50 summatusmentis: if you have Messages open and you get a message while in another app, it quickly opens the notifcation and lets you go to the app Aug 17 16:33:52 ianbeck: thanks Aug 17 16:33:53 PatrickC: regular bt keyboards have media key Aug 17 16:34:07 twbbas: hmm.. I'll have to look into i Aug 17 16:34:09 it* Aug 17 16:34:09 twbbas: but will they work with the TouchPad? Aug 17 16:34:12 IGNTNUNLMTD: oh neat Aug 17 16:34:22 IGNTNUNLMTD: The media keys on my bt headset work with webOS, so I'd assume so Aug 17 16:34:29 ugh.. now I want the hp one again lol Aug 17 16:34:33 summatusmentis: yeah, I was reinstalling OSX last night and using the TouchPad as my primary computer Aug 17 16:34:38 that key was SO useful Aug 17 16:34:41 IGNTNUNLMTD: They don't change volume but they skip songs and pause/play Aug 17 16:34:48 I had 4 skype/AIM/Goog chats going on at once Aug 17 16:34:54 twbbas: ah Aug 17 16:34:56 But it also doesn't have a volume key for the OS Aug 17 16:35:04 so if there were media keys for volume, I bet it'd work Aug 17 16:35:25 IGNTNUNLMTD: I'm gonna get the HP one, if only for that Aug 17 16:35:46 twbbas: the apple BT keyboard has volume keys, iirc Aug 17 16:35:53 I've considered getting the volume one Aug 17 16:35:59 err... apple one Aug 17 16:35:59 PatrickC: http://www.precentral.net/review-hp-touchpad-bluetooth-keyboard Aug 17 16:36:07 HP one has brightness keys too Aug 17 16:36:11 Mojo.View.render({object: contact, template: 'detail/header'}); - In this statement, where should the template be declared ? Aug 17 16:36:15 wow Aug 17 16:36:22 bbl Aug 17 16:36:33 gonna read that and gotta do school :) Aug 17 16:36:35 PatrickC: throw up a post on the WOR forums Aug 17 16:36:41 oh man, the TS is < $60 on HP? Aug 17 16:37:07 oh that's right, the 20% off thing Aug 17 16:39:20 yep Aug 17 16:39:24 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=FB339AA%23ABA&aoid=20715&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=FB339AA#ABA Aug 17 16:40:22 oh hey, the Apple keyboard is a whole $0.99 cheaper from the normal price of the HP one Aug 17 16:40:36 lol Aug 17 16:42:22 bbl Aug 17 16:43:01 see you later Aug 17 16:44:57 tomhut: why aren't you sure if you want a TP? Aug 17 16:45:42 Saving for a wedding, can only justify one tablet. We have a couple of iPads at the office and I had an original iPad. Aug 17 16:46:04 sell it :) Aug 17 16:46:08 Loved it to bits, looking for another tablet to play with/use on the commute. Aug 17 16:46:17 I don't currently own one. Aug 17 16:46:28 Not sure to go with an iPad 2 or TouchPad Aug 17 16:46:30 ah.. I see.. "had" Aug 17 16:46:34 TouchPad! Aug 17 16:46:34 :) Aug 17 16:46:51 Want to do some more webs development outside swell. Aug 17 16:47:07 well, the real question then becomes, is the price difference between TP and iPad worth the loss of apps? Aug 17 16:47:23 because honestly, that's what I see as most lacking currently Aug 17 16:47:24 Real question is what kind of apps you used and loved on the iPad, IMO Aug 17 16:47:24 Price over here is only £50 difference Aug 17 16:47:32 TP better suited for some tasks than others, at the moment Aug 17 16:47:34 well, that's a fair point Aug 17 16:47:53 I know nomnomnom will cover my google reader addiction. Aug 17 16:48:07 what other apps do you need to function? Aug 17 16:48:38 a good twitter app Aug 17 16:48:44 spaz hd any good? Aug 17 16:48:48 Spaz HD is good Aug 17 16:48:51 Spaz HD or Glimpse are your only real options right now Aug 17 16:48:57 you can actually try it out in the browser if you want Aug 17 16:49:05 (because you can get it from github) Aug 17 16:49:14 Will have to clone it later Aug 17 16:49:42 meh, Glimpse is a pretty basic twitter app, I find myself prefering Spaz Aug 17 16:49:46 There's at least one other Twitter client (Graphite) that's been announced; not sure if any beyond that are in development or not Aug 17 16:49:51 but then, I haven't found a good use-case for Glimpse yet Aug 17 16:49:54 Whats the name of the twitter app for webos handsets with the stunning ui called? Aug 17 16:50:07 tomhut: which? phnx? Aug 17 16:50:09 Carbon or Phnx, probably Aug 17 16:50:11 yes Aug 17 16:50:16 tomhut: Graphite is going to be a GREAT Twitter app Aug 17 16:50:31 TouchPad version of Carbon Aug 17 16:50:38 summatusementis Yes phnx Aug 17 16:51:04 I want Graphite, but I've found that I really like spaz HD Aug 17 16:51:14 igntnunlmtd will have to check out graphite, any screenshots/previews floating around? Aug 17 16:51:23 yep! one sec Aug 17 16:51:32 orly? I hadn't seen any Aug 17 16:52:00 There were some through their Twitter account, I think: https://twitter.com/#!/graphitewebos Aug 17 16:52:11 tomhut: only teasers though: http://yfrog.com/h484946846j Aug 17 16:52:21 Hi, is there a standard webOS icon theme? Aug 17 16:52:25 What else do i need, kindle, instapaper, nice selection of games for when on the tube, Skype (hows the built in support), dropbox, caldav support, Aug 17 16:52:39 igntnunlmtd looking sharp. Aug 17 16:52:45 yeah seriously Aug 17 16:52:49 I can't wait to buy that Aug 17 16:53:11 instapaper: bunch of available clients Aug 17 16:53:17 kindle: built it Aug 17 16:53:26 dropbox: available Aug 17 16:53:46 a bunch of excellent games, yes Aug 17 16:53:52 evernote would be nice Aug 17 16:53:55 angfree angry bird HD Aug 17 16:54:04 coming soon re: Evernote Aug 17 16:54:09 just announced Aug 17 16:54:17 caldav meaning exchange? Aug 17 16:54:18 grah Aug 17 16:54:46 Skype chat support is great, audio calls are okay on mic, good with headset, video calling is meh Aug 17 16:55:07 AH Gemini file manager does Dropbox REALLY well Aug 17 16:55:11 forgot about that Aug 17 16:55:13 AND box Aug 17 16:55:15 does both Aug 17 16:55:24 Gemini connects to Dropbox? Neat, I didn't know that Aug 17 16:55:31 tomhut: oooh, 50GB on box.net for free Aug 17 16:55:33 Might have to download that one, since Dropboxify is MIA Aug 17 16:55:54 summatusmentis need dropbox specifically for work Aug 17 16:55:59 ah Aug 17 16:56:57 does the text message forwarding work with pre 2? Aug 17 16:57:00 nope Aug 17 16:57:02 because that would convince me Aug 17 16:57:05 awwww Aug 17 16:57:13 iirc, veer and pre3 only Aug 17 16:57:23 iirc? Aug 17 16:57:24 and I think the veer functionality is coming in an update Aug 17 16:57:30 If I Remember Correctly Aug 17 16:57:34 Thanks Aug 17 16:57:44 webos 2.2+ i guess Aug 17 16:57:52 probably Aug 17 16:58:22 gottta run, hope I've been helpful Aug 17 16:58:36 Thanks! You have been. Aug 17 16:58:37 speak soon Aug 17 16:58:39 tomhut: the call forwarding does work with older devices Aug 17 16:58:49 it's just the txt messaging forwarding that does not Aug 17 16:58:58 Arr i see Aug 17 16:59:53 PatrickC: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/bodhi-linux-beautiful-works-computers-linux/ Aug 17 17:00:03 ok, seriously, gotta run Aug 17 17:00:14 Take Care Aug 17 17:02:38 strange Aug 17 17:03:36 this is so awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btViXvIDsi0&feature=player_embedded Aug 17 17:04:11 ain't it? Aug 17 17:04:13 according to my fb backup (Archive) i didnt join until 2009? Aug 17 17:04:48 http://i.imgur.com/ztUIv.png - silly java Aug 17 17:05:03 twbbas, you are so slow Aug 17 17:05:27 i was waiting all morning for that video to go live Aug 17 17:07:45 Hi kense Aug 17 17:08:53 kesne* Aug 17 17:09:10 Hahaha Aug 17 17:09:31 better? Aug 17 17:09:39 lol Aug 17 17:09:46 when we gettn ranks kesne Aug 17 17:10:05 Uhm Aug 17 17:10:23 Few weeks Aug 17 17:10:29 I can accelerate it if you want Aug 17 17:10:48 Are ranks the same thing as showing only 1 score on the scoreboard per user? Aug 17 17:10:51 that would be cool. Aug 17 17:11:19 twbbas: yes, which is pretty much what wild'n should be ; ) Aug 17 17:11:34 I may add it in but with a workaround for now Aug 17 17:11:39 twbbas, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms the original video.. and its also the same model/year as my everyday car :P Aug 17 17:11:40 on my end, just not display the extra ranks Aug 17 17:11:48 leaderboards should be used for games like pacman, critical mass, angry birds Aug 17 17:11:49 KEN BLOCK!! Aug 17 17:11:59 ranks are for neverending progressions Aug 17 17:12:27 ^ that's what my app will have Aug 17 17:12:54 dawm: oh! I remember seeing that video a long time ago Aug 17 17:14:35 heh Aug 17 17:14:38 yeah that wsa 11/11/08 Aug 17 17:16:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ48NQjouoE Aug 17 17:16:33 is great too Aug 17 17:16:36 gymkhana 2.1 Aug 17 17:23:56 dawm: lol that was pretty funny. They almost crashed hard though at that one spot. Aug 17 17:24:08 its all good no one was hurt ;p Aug 17 17:24:54 mmm... it was good that I didn't release photofun before... it doesn't work the same way as in the emu :S Aug 17 17:25:34 NuttyBunny: ouch Aug 17 17:26:22 NuttyBunny: Yeah, you can't always trust the emulator. My app runs fine on my computer but doesn't load on the device. :S I'm debugging it atm Aug 17 17:29:22 twbbas: I give my app, as it was right now, 4 stars on the emu, but 2.5 on the TP... images jump around, .... didn't I fix that? argh Aug 17 17:29:31 :\ Aug 17 17:39:20 touchpads shipped a day early! :D Aug 17 17:39:30 ! Aug 17 17:39:43 PatrickC: When do you get it? Aug 17 17:39:56 twbbas: on or before monday Aug 17 17:40:10 sweet Aug 17 17:40:15 yeah! Aug 17 17:40:56 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping Aug 17 17:42:09 oil, PuffTheMagic: wirc bug Aug 17 17:42:25 PatrickC: Ever hear anything back about the Sprint job you were looking to get? Aug 17 17:42:34 not yet Aug 17 17:42:42 Has the store opened yet? Aug 17 17:42:56 PatrickC: if its wirc-tp i dont want to hear it Aug 17 17:42:57 nope Aug 17 17:43:04 PuffTheMagic: it isnt Aug 17 17:43:10 you know we have our own chan for wirc shit right? Aug 17 17:43:24 ohyeah Aug 17 17:43:27 I'll go there Aug 17 17:46:55 kesne: yo Aug 17 17:47:03 Hi, is there a component in Enyo to represent an On/Off switch? Aug 17 17:47:11 pepone: radio button Aug 17 17:47:21 yo dawg! Aug 17 17:47:23 toggle button? Aug 17 17:47:30 oh toggle I meant Aug 17 17:47:42 It was called radio in mojo right? Aug 17 17:48:03 yo dawg, im gonna enyo your pre so you can mojo your enyo Aug 17 17:48:23 ^^^ worst xzibit meme Aug 17 17:48:24 thnaks ToggleButton is what i want Aug 17 17:49:30 woo community service hours form submitted Aug 17 17:50:21 hmm whatever happened to webOSNewbie? Aug 17 17:51:50 he got grounded :P Aug 17 17:51:52 idk really Aug 17 17:53:15 TOUCHPAD, Y U NO SCROLL Aug 17 17:54:42 * PatrickC chuckles Aug 17 17:54:53 my data usage will be up above 30gb soon :P Aug 17 17:55:41 O.o, on Sprint? Aug 17 17:55:50 over wifi Aug 17 17:55:56 sprint would hate me haha Aug 17 17:56:24 urgent question: activating Palm Pre-, no internet connection yet, and it's asking for a profile Aug 17 17:56:33 what do I do? Aug 17 17:56:35 IGNTNUNLMTD: 2.1? Aug 17 17:56:39 1.4.5 Aug 17 17:56:44 not easy Aug 17 17:56:47 got a pc near? Aug 17 17:56:50 ah damn Aug 17 17:56:56 well, I say 'not easy' Aug 17 17:56:57 I was hoping that's not the case Aug 17 17:57:03 you need a PC then its very easy Aug 17 17:57:05 1 file Aug 17 17:57:07 yeah I know what's you're gonna say Aug 17 17:57:17 device-tool.jar Aug 17 17:57:20 *not* meta-doctor Aug 17 17:57:26 is that official? Aug 17 17:57:30 yes Aug 17 17:57:36 its provided from palm Aug 17 17:57:51 I'll grab the link Aug 17 17:58:14 thanks Aug 17 17:58:19 http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/ActivationBypass/2010-04-16/devicetool.jar Aug 17 17:58:22 direct download Aug 17 17:58:30 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Aug 17 17:58:34 instructions Aug 17 17:58:43 wait, does that activate it? Aug 17 17:58:52 umm.. no? Aug 17 17:59:09 ah, maybe I didn't state it right Aug 17 17:59:09 but when I bypass'd activation on an activated phone it worked Aug 17 17:59:14 it needs to be activated on Sprint Aug 17 17:59:33 are u to the profile login screen? Aug 17 17:59:52 yeah Aug 17 17:59:56 but not 3G Aug 17 18:00:00 its probably activated Aug 17 18:00:00 no connection at all Aug 17 18:00:12 there is *no* connection? Aug 17 18:00:18 even w/o data? Aug 17 18:01:01 IGNTNUNLMTD, Aug 17 18:01:04 PatrickC: she neglected to tell me it hadn't been hard-reset Aug 17 18:01:04 just make a fake profile Aug 17 18:01:09 nevermind guys Aug 17 18:01:12 sorry for the bother Aug 17 18:01:13 lol Aug 17 18:01:17 actually Aug 17 18:01:19 put anythig in Aug 17 18:01:25 it wont go thru but it will let you into the phone Aug 17 18:02:01 cause when it checks to see if its a valid email, it cant (no connection) Aug 17 18:02:03 IGNTNUNLMTD: hit ## on the physical kb Aug 17 18:02:09 and i think it just defaults the information for later Aug 17 18:02:23 atleast thats what it did when i had an unactivated pre- board in my pre2 Aug 17 18:02:30 and doctoroed Aug 17 18:02:31 I think she got it, but thanks a lot for the rapid support Aug 17 18:02:50 np anytime Aug 17 18:02:52 and PatrickC: I take it you saw that link? Aug 17 18:02:58 yeah Aug 17 18:03:06 you should try that on the laptop of yours Aug 17 18:03:11 should give you a boos Aug 17 18:03:11 IGNTNUNLMTD: my question is can I install it with WUBI? Aug 17 18:03:12 t Aug 17 18:03:23 I'm not gonna re-partition or resize.. :/ Aug 17 18:03:30 ah, I dunno Aug 17 18:03:39 IGNTNUNLMTD: I'm gonna look at making a chroot for it too Aug 17 18:03:53 as it has an ARM build and a desktop made for touchscreen devices Aug 17 18:04:01 ah, no, no WUBI support Aug 17 18:04:21 argh.. vbox it is Aug 17 18:04:24 on my desktop Aug 17 18:04:34 my desktop has better specs (and I got it back :) Aug 17 18:05:14 ah nice Aug 17 18:05:22 yep Aug 17 18:05:25 Nifty, HP's $10 off $60+ order coupon works when ordering the bluetooth keyboard, even though the instant rebate takes it under $60 Aug 17 18:05:35 2.00GHz P4 with 512MB RAM Aug 17 18:05:50 ianbeck: where did you get this said coupon? Aug 17 18:06:04 PatrickC: retailmenot.com Aug 17 18:06:12 * PatrickC goes there Aug 17 18:06:37 yeah my total price for all three accessories the second time was only $97 Aug 17 18:06:58 HP Academy plus a bunch of stacked coupons Aug 17 18:07:21 IGNTNUNLMTD: hp academy? Aug 17 18:07:23 If only I were still a student; I loved me the student discounts Aug 17 18:07:32 yeah, it's student discounts Aug 17 18:07:41 I love being a pampered student Aug 17 18:07:50 Amazon Prime, HP Academy, Apple Education Aug 17 18:07:52 :-D Aug 17 18:07:54 * PatrickC is a student Aug 17 18:08:21 Best move I ever made was buying the Adobe creative suite a couple months before I graduated from college Aug 17 18:08:45 Owning that software basically got me my first job out of college (much as I've grown to dislike Adobe since then) Aug 17 18:08:46 * PatrickC dl'd the trial Aug 17 18:08:59 those pesky accreditation requirements can put a real damper on student discounts Aug 17 18:10:21 I figure I'll do the same, ianbeck Aug 17 18:10:44 * PatrickC will probably use http://www.retailmenot.com/out/2570369 Aug 17 18:11:23 err.. the 10 off of 60 Aug 17 18:14:15 HP educatin center in Austin....don't go there. It doesn't exist :/ Aug 17 18:14:22 Haha Aug 17 18:14:26 oh dear Aug 17 18:14:35 hi, where do you set the apn/username/password for the 3G connection? Aug 17 18:14:52 even though it clearly states on the hp site there is one. AND they even give helpful nearby hotel recommendations Aug 17 18:15:05 it's basically failing to connect and not even asking me about these strings Aug 17 18:15:13 The most annoying thing in the world is when you want a device to scroll and it doesn't. Aug 17 18:15:29 #firstworldpains Aug 17 18:15:45 balrog-k1n: if you go into the preferences from the dialer app...I think that's what you're looking for Aug 17 18:15:59 sugardave: ah.. let me try that Aug 17 18:16:03 somewhere there's a manual settings spot Aug 17 18:24:28 My TouchPad is messed up or something. The past few days I've started getting TMC error and it's been SUPER laggy Aug 17 18:25:07 twbbas: Have you restarted recently? There seem to be memory leaks when you run it for too long without a restart Aug 17 18:26:16 ianbeck: Yes. I've been restarting it each day. Aug 17 18:26:51 doctor it Aug 17 18:27:26 Or maybe contact HP support and report the problem Aug 17 18:28:43 It's weird because it just started happening a few days ago Aug 17 18:29:24 any recent app updates? maybe from a developer who is careless with memory? Aug 17 18:29:32 * sugardave eyes everyone suspiciously. Aug 17 18:29:53 wirc-enyo! Aug 17 18:30:06 lol Aug 17 18:34:01 sugardave: Well the HP app catalog was recently updated... Aug 17 18:34:03 * twbbas grins Aug 17 18:35:09 gmail certification error only on my phone? Aug 17 18:36:29 "SSL Certification error Gmail" :( Aug 17 18:38:50 twbbas: hehe Aug 17 18:39:17 i can't find the place to set the APN name :/ Aug 17 18:39:46 which is strange because afaik there is no standard name to use by default Aug 17 18:39:48 woah, 6 app updates available today Aug 17 18:41:50 fuck you grooveshark Aug 17 18:41:54 they have a survey Aug 17 18:42:00 Which type of Cell Phone do you have? Aug 17 18:42:13 no webOS option? Aug 17 18:42:14 Android, Blackberry, iPhone, Windows Mobile, Standard Phone .. Aug 17 18:42:17 worse Aug 17 18:42:22 Standard Phone?! Aug 17 18:43:00 isnt there a grooveshark app? Aug 17 18:45:40 from googling it looks like the "edit network settings" entry is only available on sprint palm pres Aug 17 18:45:52 oh Aug 17 18:45:55 sorry :/ Aug 17 18:47:05 wonder if i can enable that by editing some javasript file Aug 17 18:48:12 i think it would be a system service call Aug 17 18:48:42 i know i was told to copy files from my pre- to put on my pre2(sprint) Aug 17 18:48:47 for PRL and whatnot Aug 17 18:48:50 altho i havent done it yet Aug 17 18:49:13 Sigh, I need to build a nice todo list program, it looks like... None of the ones I found fit me well enough. Aug 17 18:49:27 rrix thats always the case Aug 17 18:49:33 if your a designer/developer Aug 17 18:49:33 Yup Aug 17 18:49:41 A curse and a blessing ;) Aug 17 18:50:47 I have a steadily growing laundry list of stuff to work on, which does not pan out well with classes starting friday :) Aug 17 18:58:04 balrog-k1n: what phone? Aug 17 18:59:25 webos2.1 on an unlocked pre2 .... dialer... prefs & accounts ... under "network" manual settings and edit manual settings Aug 17 18:59:34 dwc-: early palm pre from germany (i think) Aug 17 18:59:51 * balrog-k1n tries again Aug 17 19:00:30 First person to tell me how to create a layer mask from one layer gets a free copy of Camera for Touchpad Aug 17 19:00:34 i should probably upgrade the whole distro Aug 17 19:04:22 ugh, yea, in the older webos it might not have a UI configuration Aug 17 19:06:31 kesne: that's one thing i never learned, was masks. =| Aug 17 19:06:56 i bet there's a trillion times i coulda used em too Aug 17 19:06:57 fxspec06: Bah! Aug 17 19:09:31 http://www.precentral.net/ipad-might-be-1-hp-touchpad-already-2-market Aug 17 19:09:49 kesne: Not 100% sure what you are trying to do, but maybe you need a clipping mask: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Photoshop/11.0/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7853a.html Aug 17 19:10:49 Hmm.... Aug 17 19:14:32 Has anyone used Phonegap before? Aug 17 19:15:18 balrog-k1n: my friend on a german pre- flashed with o2 1.4.5 firmware says he has that setting Aug 17 19:15:35 Do I need to have a Mac in order to develop an iOS app using Phonegap? Aug 17 19:16:48 dwc-: thanks a lot for checking.. i should do that too, yes Aug 17 19:17:12 twbbas: not if you use phonegap build Aug 17 19:17:15 twbbas: But basically, yes Aug 17 19:17:40 kesne: Yes, I'm looking into using Phonegap Build. Aug 17 19:17:42 Hmm Aug 17 19:18:41 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/pre3-unboxing-in-uk.583/ Aug 17 19:18:44 First Pre3 unboxing! Aug 17 19:19:05 meh Aug 17 19:19:09 central forum has english one Aug 17 19:20:00 there's a zeeba neighbor missing Aug 17 19:21:55 lol... it stinks to just sit here watching it boot Aug 17 19:22:08 Tea bad I use phonegap Aug 17 19:22:36 It's really good on iOS and android, webos 3.0 takes some finess Aug 17 19:22:44 Lol. Aug 17 19:23:02 twbbas: Not tea bad Aug 17 19:23:32 i toought you said tea bag at first Aug 17 19:23:41 So did I Aug 17 19:24:00 Text replace fail Aug 17 19:24:15 I thought "tea bad" might be his rapper name Aug 17 19:24:18 omgggg he just waited 2 mins for it to boot up, now he has to take the battery out to pop the sim in and boot it back up -___- Aug 17 19:24:31 half this video is him booting it up Aug 17 19:24:48 2 mins on an empty device, nice to see HP hasn't improved the boot time yet Aug 17 19:25:01 :( Aug 17 19:25:10 And you need a Mac to submit iOS apps or sideload them Aug 17 19:25:10 whatever happened to the instanton company they bought Aug 17 19:25:31 ctladvance_: You need a Mac to submit them? ugh Aug 17 19:25:36 the Pre3 HD video recording looks seriously good Aug 17 19:25:39 So build is pointless Aug 17 19:25:44 >.> Aug 17 19:25:52 Yes iOS they have you over a barrel Aug 17 19:26:06 one upside of the larger pre3 screen. the volume rocker isn't where my left hand is with the slider open Aug 17 19:26:14 Biotch was the correct wording Aug 17 19:26:15 woot Pre 3 charger cable is 2m long Aug 17 19:28:55 2 meters? Aug 17 19:29:14 isn't that a bit much lol Aug 17 19:29:27 I would use the extra length Aug 17 19:29:48 it's a bit much for a usb cable, not so much for an older phone charger cable Aug 17 19:30:04 Well, when you don't need it just use the rubber strap thing to fold it Aug 17 19:34:29 You can't take pictures with the front facing camera? Aug 17 19:34:38 According to his unboxing #2 video Aug 17 19:34:46 The camera app only recognizes the rear Aug 17 19:38:16 yeah Aug 17 19:38:17 haha Aug 17 19:39:30 HP y u make this difficult Aug 17 19:39:40 Wow, StyleMatters has a lot more content than I thought Aug 17 19:40:22 Woot! SMS messaging sharing works out of the box on Pre 3 Aug 17 19:40:40 unlike another phone... *cough* Veer *cough* Aug 17 19:46:16 gvhgfgc Aug 17 19:46:24 yeah Aug 17 19:48:03 twbbas: veer needs MAP enabled Aug 17 19:59:38 twbbas: ping Aug 17 20:06:25 PatrickC: wudup Aug 17 20:06:38 WTB starbucks card app (like the jonathans card for webos app) but with my card not his Aug 17 20:06:41 twbbas: how much is GV Text? Aug 17 20:06:52 PatrickC: $2.99 I think Aug 17 20:06:58 :/ Aug 17 20:07:05 * PatrickC doesn't want to buy it Aug 17 20:07:05 haha Aug 17 20:07:11 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.forwebos.gvtext Aug 17 20:07:15 $2.79 Aug 17 20:09:44 I'll talk to philip Aug 17 20:11:35 twbbas: you use Google voice? Aug 17 20:18:15 PatrickC: yep Aug 17 20:18:28 does the site work good on the touchpad? Aug 17 20:25:26 ya I guess so Aug 17 20:32:53 Hey Aug 17 20:35:44 bbl Aug 17 20:35:51 cya Aug 17 20:41:41 Is there an HTML editor on the touchpad? Aug 17 20:41:59 ziplock503: just use that app, and just replace the jpg with yours Aug 17 20:42:16 ctladvance_, use TIDE Aug 17 20:42:26 Tide Aug 17 20:42:31 TIDE Aug 17 20:42:36 Can it open in the browser Aug 17 20:42:42 Tide Aug 17 20:43:04 Isn't that a tm violation? Aug 17 20:43:06 :) Aug 17 20:43:08 you want a WYSIWYG editor? or a html code edirot? Aug 17 20:43:17 Code Aug 17 20:43:17 grr, why is gv text webos3 only Aug 17 20:43:21 github.com -> click 'edit' tried it yet? Aug 17 20:43:41 ok, let's call it editah then, and it runs on webOS, it doesn't run on chrome... was that the cuestion? Aug 17 20:44:00 * dwc- wants a google voice synergy service Aug 17 20:44:06 Lol Aug 17 20:44:35 Can it open a local file in the browser if it creates the file on the device Aug 17 20:45:59 I guess I need to add tethering to my AT&T account since they don't want to give me a pad4g Aug 17 20:46:16 I'll look at tide in a bit Aug 17 20:46:38 Where is Tide located on the interwebs? I'm curious about it Aug 17 20:47:45 http://git.webos-internals.org/enyo/editah/ Aug 17 20:49:06 Oh nifty, didn't know it was open source Aug 17 20:49:24 ya, though he's a lil touchy about that aspect i think Aug 17 20:50:01 Touchy? As in didn't want to be open source? Or doesn't want people to hack on the project? Aug 17 20:50:55 ya, dunno. was asking about how he did text selection and he was all ... cagey about it. Aug 17 20:51:06 worried someone's gonna just take his code and write something better. Aug 17 20:51:17 Huh Aug 17 20:51:27 ya Aug 17 20:51:28 Possibly should have kept it closed, then :-) Aug 17 20:51:56 It's always a danger writing open source code and then trying to sell an app with it Aug 17 20:54:04 ya, indeed. but then its also written on top of ACE/Bespin, so he also in turn owes alot to that project. Aug 17 20:54:22 it's so hot the poor UPS guy couldn't be bothered to ring the doorbell to let us know he dumped these packages at our door Aug 17 20:54:26 moron Aug 17 20:54:35 They never ring our doorbell Aug 17 20:54:43 Which I am intimately aware of, since I work from home :-) Aug 17 20:54:49 exactly Aug 17 20:54:53 they never ring mine either Aug 17 20:54:58 especially when it's signature reuqired Aug 17 20:55:04 I just saw the truck driving away so I went to look Aug 17 20:55:06 dwc-: suck Aug 17 20:55:40 they just dump it on the porch and drive off Aug 17 20:56:02 ... or behind the plant... or in the bushes... or throw it over the fence... Aug 17 20:56:08 Heh, yeah Aug 17 20:56:55 in this case he was right at the door, he literally had to pass by the doorbell twice Aug 17 21:05:30 Anybody fancy an invite to the irccloud.com beta? Aug 17 21:05:33 I have a spare Aug 17 21:08:06 nah, I'm good... I have screen Aug 17 21:08:14 and I don't irc in my browser whenever I can help it anyways :) Aug 17 21:09:55 Fair enough, been using it for a few days, working a treat. Aug 17 21:10:54 Who wants a free copy of Camera for Touchpad? Aug 17 21:11:19 tomhut: i'll give it a look Aug 17 21:12:09 sure, message me your email address if you want it. Aug 17 21:12:22 dontblameoil@hotmail.com Aug 17 21:12:27 lol, no Aug 17 21:12:34 brandonvb@gmail Aug 17 21:12:36 haha Aug 17 21:12:37 pleasedontblameoil@hotmail.com Aug 17 21:12:43 oil: spam attack Aug 17 21:12:49 meh Aug 17 21:12:51 iblameoli@hotmail.com Aug 17 21:12:58 google blocks like all spam Aug 17 21:13:12 oli: sent Aug 17 21:13:14 oil: yeah they're pretty good Aug 17 21:16:30 You know what would be sweet Aug 17 21:16:34 A dropbox app for the TouchPad Aug 17 21:17:00 dwc-: you know the best way to do that? Aug 17 21:19:11 I need to get me that webOS book to learn to make apps Aug 17 21:20:24 ziplock503: don't bother Aug 17 21:20:31 it was outdated when it was released Aug 17 21:20:39 lol Aug 17 21:21:27 Yep Aug 17 21:21:36 we need an enyo book Aug 17 21:21:46 yep. Aug 17 21:21:52 lol damn Aug 17 21:21:59 Tibfib, write that. You can make it an ebook and sell it as an app too Aug 17 21:22:09 EACH CHAPTER CAN BE AN EBOOK! Aug 17 21:22:14 blackbelt here I come! Aug 17 21:22:22 YES Aug 17 21:22:23 EACH PAGE Aug 17 21:22:36 then we can share the blackbelt love! Aug 17 21:22:52 I just need to view source for jonathans card app and change to my info and jpeg .. so I can get starbucks xD Aug 17 21:23:11 soo twbbas, I don't think the list while viewing an article will work Aug 17 21:23:16 ziplock503, starbucks shut it down Aug 17 21:23:26 Tibfib: Why?!?! Aug 17 21:23:37 I'll use my card info not his Aug 17 21:23:42 You have GOT to be Tibfibbin me Aug 17 21:23:43 won't that work? Aug 17 21:23:46 get it? hehe Aug 17 21:23:50 ziplock503: yeah I guess so Aug 17 21:24:06 twbbas: the biggest issue is that not all of the cards are rendered at one time Aug 17 21:24:08 I hope the devs who sell a book as an app get actually demoted :P each book = -1 app :P Aug 17 21:24:17 NuttyBunny: yes! Aug 17 21:24:20 Tibfib: ah Aug 17 21:24:25 Demoted to white belt status Aug 17 21:24:34 brightlabs lol Aug 17 21:24:39 twbbas: now that's not an issue if you can ONLY use the list Aug 17 21:24:48 Yeah, you aren't even cool enough to punch, chop or kick Aug 17 21:25:01 sooo I may just have to do "Preview Mode" : "cards" || "list" Aug 17 21:25:33 so do I just open up the ink and poke around? Aug 17 21:25:37 ink=ipk Aug 17 21:26:44 twbbas: what do you think? Aug 17 21:26:52 is your idea good enough to find a solution for that issue? Aug 17 21:27:14 I like that idea, because then you can use the list whenever you want Aug 17 21:27:27 but I don't like that idea because you have to view an article to get the list Aug 17 21:27:50 hmm Aug 17 21:28:24 something I've been thinking about: top left bar has a "list" button that shows the toaster from the left of the feeds Aug 17 21:28:28 s/feeds/articles/ Aug 17 21:29:25 this toaster being the list of articles Aug 17 21:30:20 I like it Aug 17 21:31:22 I dunno if I do. Aug 17 21:31:56 anyone got a good ole fashion tweed ipk laying around ... I unstalled it thinking I could reinstall .. nope :( Aug 17 21:32:20 hey all Aug 17 21:32:38 ziplock503: time to move on Aug 17 21:32:51 * ziplock503 Cry Aug 17 21:32:58 move on from? Aug 17 21:33:01 hey Tibfib Aug 17 21:33:12 Damn you vapor ware! Aug 17 21:33:13 anyone sharing the ipk would be promoting piracy Aug 17 21:33:22 no kidding Aug 17 21:33:22 who's ipk? Aug 17 21:33:24 tweed Aug 17 21:33:25 from tweed to carbon Aug 17 21:33:43 ah Aug 17 21:33:46 use Spaz Aug 17 21:33:47 if I have a backup of my pre I might be able to fish it out Aug 17 21:33:50 its the best :) Aug 17 21:34:04 technically, you could if you backed up deep enough Aug 17 21:34:06 PatrickC: you only care because it's free. Aug 17 21:34:20 Tibfib: and I have the money to buy apps now Aug 17 21:34:28 but I stick with spaz Aug 17 21:34:33 I'll give it a shot Aug 17 21:34:46 tweetMe is nice but no support Aug 17 21:34:54 tweetme is even more vapor ware Aug 17 21:35:00 lol true Aug 17 21:35:03 sadly it is still in the catalog Aug 17 21:35:11 The 12th was the weekend of $100 discount for TP, right? Aug 17 21:35:13 carbon or phnx I guess Aug 17 21:35:45 what is vapor ware, and why is it wrong? Aug 17 21:35:50 nope the 5th Aug 17 21:35:57 * PatrickC googles and asks Aug 17 21:35:58 PatrickC: google. Aug 17 21:36:20 TweetMe is more abandonware, actually Aug 17 21:36:28 fair point Aug 17 21:36:29 its old outdated software abandon from the devs or a project that never sees light (diabo 3 ) lol Aug 17 21:36:45 diablo 3 is coming though? Aug 17 21:36:48 but diablo3 looks like it will be here 2012 Aug 17 21:36:55 yeah Aug 17 21:37:09 I heard the auctonhouse will use real money? Aug 17 21:37:24 actually, I'd argue tweed is more abandonware too Aug 17 21:37:36 At least it was officially canceled Aug 17 21:37:43 true ian Aug 17 21:37:45 vaporware is teased, but never lives (up to its potential) Aug 17 21:38:12 Do you guys want another graph with no y-axis? Aug 17 21:38:19 those are the best! Aug 17 21:38:23 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/DifferencesDownloads.png Aug 17 21:38:24 They're my favorite ;-) Aug 17 21:38:25 * Tibfib makes one of NomNomNom Aug 17 21:38:39 This shows that the downloads were up starting at the first day of the $100 discount Aug 17 21:38:47 and they are staying up Aug 17 21:39:08 and how much weekends affect downloads Aug 17 21:39:09 lol Aug 17 21:39:12 nomnomnom: -------- Aug 17 21:39:17 twbbas: So are mine, but mine are artificially inflated because of the $50 credit Aug 17 21:39:30 ianbeck: Mine's a free app so that really has hardly an affect Aug 17 21:39:34 Oh, nice! Aug 17 21:39:35 not really flated ianbeck Aug 17 21:39:38 lol Aug 17 21:39:42 s/flated/inflated/ Aug 17 21:39:52 The only affect it'd have on my app is that people go to the catalog looking to buy paid apps and download my free one Aug 17 21:39:54 often times people would have bought it anyway, they just had the promo Aug 17 21:41:15 twbbas, summatusmentis: any issues with nomnomnom beta? Aug 17 21:41:30 Tibfib: Maybe; $50 credit really helps make $5 an impulse buy, though. I suspect I'm getting sales I otherwise would have missed out on thanks to the credit Aug 17 21:41:51 ianbeck: yeah that's true. It helps, but I don't think you can completely discount increased sales Aug 17 21:41:57 Tibfib: I haven't tested the instapaper integration yet Aug 17 21:41:59 I'm hoping not :-) Aug 17 21:42:01 I still need to get an account Aug 17 21:42:17 I have to leave now to get ready for dinner for my Mom's birthday Aug 17 21:42:19 woot, IP integration! Aug 17 21:42:31 twbbas: see you there Aug 17 21:42:36 rwatkins: yessir! Aug 17 21:42:53 Ah, I have to get nomnomnom and glimpse, right? Aug 17 21:43:01 YES Aug 17 21:43:07 twbbas: should mention it is free on the twitter Aug 17 21:43:07 I got Glimpse yet I haven't really used it that much Aug 17 21:43:09 * PatrickC just thinks they sound cool Aug 17 21:43:18 Tibfib: Thanks. Aug 17 21:43:28 what the keycommand in the emulator to rotate the display? Aug 17 21:43:29 Still haven't got Glimpse, myself. Can't think of any usecase for it Aug 17 21:43:30 NuttyBunny: nomnomnom will make all of your wildest dreams come true Aug 17 21:43:41 rwatkins: f6-f9 Aug 17 21:43:44 on windows Aug 17 21:43:44 rwatkins: F6-F9 Aug 17 21:43:45 * PuffTheMagic has to poop Aug 17 21:43:48 hm. Aug 17 21:43:49 Mac, too Aug 17 21:43:59 * Tibfib dunnos bout the fancy mac's Aug 17 21:43:59 PuffTheMagic: thanks for sharing Aug 17 21:44:00 :) Aug 17 21:44:01 lol Aug 17 21:44:03 I won a touchpad via launchline app on facebook ... hurry up and get here!!!!! Aug 17 21:44:09 nice Aug 17 21:44:12 ziplock503: awesome! Aug 17 21:44:14 what game should i play while pooping Aug 17 21:44:19 PuffTheMagic: NOMNOMNOM Aug 17 21:44:23 ergh, ummm Aug 17 21:44:23 hide the turtle Aug 17 21:44:31 PuffTheMagic: Big Boss Aug 17 21:44:32 not so much in the ... emulator image I'm messing with now Aug 17 21:44:39 PuffTheMagic: Potty Racers Aug 17 21:45:00 clever Aug 17 21:45:31 rwatkins: If you're on a Mac laptop, you might need to hold the "function" key to get the F keys recognized Aug 17 21:46:51 "$100 Discount Had a GREAT Effect" is that Affect or Effect? Aug 17 21:46:52 booting the TP emulator to see if its just a 2.2 emulator image issue. or .. user error. Aug 17 21:47:23 twbbas: whatever you choose, be confident Aug 17 21:47:29 lol Aug 17 21:47:32 Tibfib: Lol I'm pretty sure it's effect Aug 17 21:47:37 twbbas: effect Aug 17 21:47:42 woot! Aug 17 21:47:48 * Tibfib has googled multiple times to figure out the difference and can never remember Aug 17 21:47:50 * twbbas is now confident Aug 17 21:47:55 Tibfib, I think it will be great, but my wildest dreams... dunno ;) I have nutty dreams ;) Aug 17 21:47:58 We were affected by the great effect Aug 17 21:48:30 can effect not be a verb? Aug 17 21:48:35 searching my C drive for *.ipk lol c'mon tweed! Aug 17 21:48:53 and affect not a noun? Aug 17 21:48:59 I'll effect your face? Aug 17 21:49:28 Effect is typically a noun Aug 17 21:49:43 ya, not user error. sdk 2.2 may not support .. rotation keys. Aug 17 21:49:46 It can be used as a verb, though: "I effected great change" Aug 17 21:49:55 :( Aug 17 21:50:06 sooo, I'm never gonna remember the difference is what you're telling me Aug 17 21:50:19 Typical usage: effect is a noun, affect is a verb Aug 17 21:50:29 * Tibfib will hold to that Aug 17 21:50:32 Affect is only a noun if you're talking about the emotion on someone's face Aug 17 21:50:40 I can feel the effect. It affected me greatly. Aug 17 21:50:50 Yeah, exactly Aug 17 21:50:50 ^ that helps, no? Aug 17 21:50:55 WHAT IS THAT AFFECT ON YOUR FACE? Aug 17 21:51:06 Tibfib is a lost cause :( Aug 17 21:51:09 haha. Aug 17 21:51:15 School doesn't start for a week, I'm fine Aug 17 21:51:18 subject exhibits flat affect. Aug 17 21:51:57 wirc-enyo almost as nick completion Aug 17 21:52:03 nice Aug 17 21:52:17 http://fuckgpl.com/ -- lol Aug 17 21:52:39 haha Aug 17 21:52:45 Ha, awesome Aug 17 21:53:30 people who dont like GPL just want to steal your code Aug 17 21:53:30 * twbbas ponders if he should add his app's name into the image in case it gets posted on WOR Aug 17 21:53:35 fuck GPL haters Aug 17 21:53:44 what program would I use to view source code of .ipk? Aug 17 21:53:44 (since I'm posting in their forums) Aug 17 21:53:59 ziplock503, a text editor Aug 17 21:54:06 PuffTheMagic: haha Aug 17 21:54:07 once you extract the source Aug 17 21:54:09 I tried that Aug 17 21:54:20 ziplock503, an ipk is a compress archive Aug 17 21:54:20 how to extract source then? Aug 17 21:54:27 ar -x Aug 17 21:54:42 k ty Aug 17 21:54:57 Tibfib, see pm Aug 17 21:55:11 and what's code to close back up? Aug 17 21:55:34 palm-package should work Aug 17 21:56:09 BAH Aug 17 21:56:17 GPL is fun. Aug 17 21:56:42 Best thing about uploading that image to dropbox is that I just edited it and now it's edited whenever someone clicks that link :) Aug 17 21:57:32 twbbas: you could totally spam whoever links to it Aug 17 21:57:43 helpful --> small ads --> HUGE Ads Aug 17 21:57:46 lolz Aug 17 21:58:00 or replace with goatse Aug 17 21:59:40 twbbas: instapaper work for ya? Aug 17 22:00:36 Tibfib: Haven't tested it yet. Igotta go now Aug 17 22:00:39 for reals this time Aug 17 22:00:40 oh yeah Aug 17 22:00:43 cyaaa Aug 17 22:04:25 someone give me the biggest freaking open source app they can think of Aug 17 22:04:54 spaz hd Aug 17 22:04:57 OpenOffice Aug 17 22:04:58 or Universe Aug 17 22:05:05 that's an open source app? Aug 17 22:05:15 by open source, I mean webos open source app Aug 17 22:05:15 halfhalo-work: the Linux kernel Aug 17 22:05:16 a Aug 17 22:05:24 halfhalo-work: spaz hd Aug 17 22:05:26 definitely Aug 17 22:05:27 and have spaz-hd Aug 17 22:05:33 NOMNOMNOM Aug 17 22:05:37 NOMNOMNOMONOMNOMNOMNOM Aug 17 22:05:42 halfhalo-work: Foursquare for webOS Aug 17 22:05:46 that's a good one Aug 17 22:05:47 OK FINE I WILL GET NOMNOMNOM Aug 17 22:05:53 Y U NO HAVE NOMNOMNOM???? Aug 17 22:06:03 I do, but not the source Aug 17 22:06:10 oh Aug 17 22:06:25 and foursquare... i like it Aug 17 22:06:43 is nomnomnom source open? Aug 17 22:06:50 yes Aug 17 22:07:07 yessir Aug 17 22:07:09 * oil pulls and package/install Aug 17 22:07:13 you can nomnom on the nomnomnom source code. nom Aug 17 22:07:13 Tibfib, why is it not in preware? Aug 17 22:07:15 PuffTheMagic: GPL as well Aug 17 22:07:28 Tibfib, get with the damn program! Aug 17 22:07:35 PuffTheMagic: because I only want those who will package it up themselves to get it for free Aug 17 22:07:40 Kind of defeats the purpose of releasing it as a paid App Catalog app if you also publish it to Preware Aug 17 22:08:06 ianbeck, not really, Preware only touches a small fraction of the webos world Aug 17 22:09:05 PuffTheMagic: not anymore Aug 17 22:09:15 anyone who cares about webOS nowadays has preware Aug 17 22:09:16 Still a small fraction that might help fund future development if you leave it App Catalog-only Aug 17 22:09:22 (phones only) Aug 17 22:09:37 ianbeck, anyone willing to pay for it would donate too, Aug 17 22:09:46 just put a donate like up for the preware version Aug 17 22:09:52 No one donates unless you are wosi sadly Aug 17 22:09:55 PuffTheMagic: What a lovely fantasy Aug 17 22:10:07 spaz gets very FEW donations Aug 17 22:11:58 I must be getting hungry; normally I'm not so combative. :-\ Apologies for the hostile response, PuffTheMagic Aug 17 22:12:11 But I do think it unlikely that most people will donate, even if they'd be willing to buy an app Aug 17 22:12:40 well how many of you actually have apps that are both for free and for sale? Aug 17 22:12:45 haeffb Aug 17 22:13:07 dr.podder? Aug 17 22:14:06 well on a side now Aug 17 22:14:07 note Aug 17 22:14:17 im trying to add a space to inputbox Aug 17 22:14:20 buts its not showing up Aug 17 22:14:27 is there some trick im missing? Aug 17 22:14:33 PuffTheMagic: we had to do some crap in spaz hd with that Aug 17 22:14:49 it doesnt appear when its html Aug 17 22:14:58 ? Aug 17 22:15:07 ahh Aug 17 22:15:12 damn richtext entry Aug 17 22:15:22 yeah Aug 17 22:15:27 check out the source Aug 17 22:15:30 oil, why are we using richtext for the channel/message input? Aug 17 22:15:53 so it works correctly multiline Aug 17 22:15:59 if you type more then the width of the box Aug 17 22:16:14 mhtyjfyjyjfhjgjhjhjfjhfyjvnyfjhnmgjuvgjvf  v g g g g ffhhthffbfbf fbtf f  fh f f cb fbc f cb Aug 17 22:16:25 nice Aug 17 22:16:32 oil: exactly why we do it in spaz Aug 17 22:16:40 where are the ipk's kept ? var/ ?? Aug 17 22:17:42 var/lib/software? Aug 17 22:18:29 no Aug 17 22:18:47 oil, so how do I add a space now, doing + Aug 17 22:18:54 + " " does not work Aug 17 22:19:11 and   shows that Aug 17 22:19:13 and not a space Aug 17 22:20:07 * halfhalo-work bets \\s might work Aug 17 22:20:22 * Tibfib DOUBTS IT Aug 17 22:20:35 PuffTheMagic: really, check it what we do in spaz hd Aug 17 22:20:40 funkatron had to do this Aug 17 22:21:20 Tibfib, so you are suggesting a randomly explore a whole projects code when i dont even know what im looking for? Aug 17 22:21:27 \" + alert('foo'); Aug 17 22:21:37 Not sure I've tried adding just a space, but using Range works for me for inserting text; thought I had a snippet example of this somewhere. I'll see if I can find it Aug 17 22:25:00 where are the ipk's kept on the phone?? Aug 17 22:25:07 var/something Aug 17 22:25:44 trying to tweak an app so I can use it Aug 17 22:26:19 help a noon out Aug 17 22:26:21 noob Aug 17 22:26:24 PuffTheMagic: Set allowHTML to true? Aug 17 22:26:41 ziplock503: where the apps are stored is not to play in Aug 17 22:26:41 PuffTheMagic: Not sure if this will work in your instance, but here's how I insert text: https://gist.github.com/6c8c9f35654f7bb8f4a1 Aug 17 22:27:02 and ziplock503: do you have permission from the developer to tweak the app? Aug 17 22:27:03 I was gonna copy it to my C drive Aug 17 22:27:05 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications for the source to isntalled apps. Aug 17 22:27:33 ziplock503: if the app is closed source, you are not allowed to tweak apps Aug 17 22:27:34 I'm trying to take the broken app jonathans card to use it for my own starbucks card Aug 17 22:27:36 Yeah, definitely ask permission before you start fiddling with other peoples' applications Aug 17 22:27:44 unless you have permission Aug 17 22:27:48 I once had someone who said that they had "fixed" my app and wondered if I would integrate it Aug 17 22:27:56 *really* felt uncomfortable Aug 17 22:27:57 lol Aug 17 22:28:06 Dude, just ask Aug 17 22:28:10 I'm not gonna publish it lol Aug 17 22:28:16 If I fix it for you, it's even easier than you fixing it Aug 17 22:28:19 I never touch someone else's source unless I have permission/open soirce Aug 17 22:28:25 Or don't tell me you've been browsing all my source files :) Aug 17 22:28:32 ziplock503: its illegal.. Aug 17 22:28:46 so is torrents :( Aug 17 22:28:56 Two wrongs don't make a right Aug 17 22:29:05 * rwatkins found the source to Pandora and the Music app particularly helpful when writing his own. Aug 17 22:29:07 And its not illegal to use BitTorrent, it depends on what you download Aug 17 22:29:09 do you use torrents? Aug 17 22:29:19 its broken app I just wanna use it for starbucks Aug 17 22:29:20 singmajesty: yep Aug 17 22:29:32 ziplock503: its illegal w/o permission Aug 17 22:29:36 unless its open source Aug 17 22:29:43 so .. its not your code to use and distribute. Aug 17 22:29:50 how do I know if its open source Aug 17 22:29:56 ask? Aug 17 22:29:57 Ask the developer, when in doubt Aug 17 22:30:00 or check github Aug 17 22:30:15 how do I do that Aug 17 22:30:31 Wow, Best Buy trying to give back remaining stock of Touchpads? Aug 17 22:30:41 code is copywrite by default. github public repo also does not necessarily mean its GPL or MIT licensed. Aug 17 22:30:55 rwatkins: true Aug 17 22:30:59 Almost have StyleMatters finished... Aug 17 22:31:03 ziplock503: use the contact in the app? Aug 17 22:31:09 singmajesty: I thought it was done? Aug 17 22:31:11 * singmajesty puts his head down to finish up Aug 17 22:31:15 With code completion Aug 17 22:31:19 ah Aug 17 22:31:20 will you look at app and tell me if I can? Aug 17 22:31:22 psh Aug 17 22:31:23 enyo? :) Aug 17 22:31:26 Yeah Aug 17 22:31:35 Jcard or Jonathans card for webos Aug 17 22:32:06 Here's an example: Aug 17 22:32:07 http://pastie.org/2388219 Aug 17 22:32:22 ziplock503: really all it did was display an image. You can load up an image of your starbucks card on your phone any which way you like... save it locally and use internalz/photo album, host it on a webserver, stick it inside an app, whatever floats your boat. Aug 17 22:33:00 That code produces the identical result as the original StyleMatters "Checkboxes" example Aug 17 22:33:01 rwatkins: true, only the open source projects get to be free on github though, there are other paid repos Aug 17 22:33:05 silly haxe, trix are for kids! Aug 17 22:33:11 lol Aug 17 22:33:24 I decided not to do a copy-and-paste... Aug 17 22:33:25 great I just gotta find out where to get the barcode image Aug 17 22:33:40 Even though I can use generic objects, like you normally do for Enyo, you don't get completion that way Aug 17 22:33:55 So what's the fun of having a sample with code completion, without being able to use it? Aug 17 22:34:06 so it's been reformatted to have completion Aug 17 22:34:25 what does the code completion gain? Aug 17 22:34:32 (which means that I generally typed "bu.cap" instead of "button.caption" Aug 17 22:34:48 awesome Aug 17 22:35:53 Like this: Aug 17 22:35:54 http://www.joshuagranick.com/code/haxe/js/enyo/CodeComplete.png Aug 17 22:35:57 Adora!! Aug 17 22:36:10 You see how it is giving me the whole list of available properties for an HFlexBox? Aug 17 22:36:24 Same thing if you type "enyo.", it will give you the full list of kinds Aug 17 22:36:38 "new Sli" will give you Slider, ProgressSlider, etc. Aug 17 22:36:54 singmajesty: thats also just possible without knowing the code. things like pabbrev get you alot of that. Aug 17 22:36:58 http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PredictiveMode Aug 17 22:36:58 and this will be available to me? :) Aug 17 22:37:47 singmajesty: what coding program is that? Aug 17 22:37:58 Supported in FlashDevelop, FDT, TextMate, Eclipse, Emacs, Vim, gedit, geany, etc: http://haxe.org/com/ide Aug 17 22:38:02 That's FlashDevelop Aug 17 22:38:24 ooooo eclipse Aug 17 22:38:41 if only the linked worked for downloading the palm plugin for offline install... Aug 17 22:38:45 FlashDevelop is my favorite. Very fast. Lightweight, but very powerful Aug 17 22:38:52 Tends to have the best/fastest completion Aug 17 22:38:56 textmate ftw Aug 17 22:39:04 emacs ftw Aug 17 22:39:12 singmajesty: webos plugin? Aug 17 22:39:15 ianbeck, how is that code supposed to work when there is no selection Aug 17 22:39:15 I'm going to post my StyleMatters sample once I'm done Aug 17 22:39:19 Which should be today Aug 17 22:39:34 Yeah, I created files for Enyo for full API completion Aug 17 22:39:37 PuffTheMagic: You'd need to place the cursor prior to invoking the replaceSelection method Aug 17 22:39:52 PuffTheMagic: If you're just trying to add a space to an input box that doesn't have focus, probably not useful Aug 17 22:40:00 ianbeck, the cursor is placed.... there is just no selection Aug 17 22:40:18 singmajesty: we need a Webos (for palm-package -install) for FlashDevelop :) Aug 17 22:40:30 PuffTheMagic: There's a focused input with a cursor, but no selection object? That's bizarre Aug 17 22:40:55 Oh, dur Aug 17 22:41:00 PatrickC: For SDK, or PDK? Aug 17 22:41:03 ianbeck, there is no text selected... not saying anything about a selection "object" Aug 17 22:41:10 singmajesty: sdk Aug 17 22:41:16 I have FlashDevelop set up to do that all already for NME (Flash-like PDK apps for webOS) Aug 17 22:41:18 pdk I use VS for Aug 17 22:41:33 I could set it up so you can hit Ctrl+Enter to package and run Aug 17 22:41:41 that would be awesome Aug 17 22:41:42 PuffTheMagic: Ah, gotcha; selection object contains ranges, and a range can span 0 characters (just a cursor) Aug 17 22:41:50 Right now I just have a batch file in the directory, so I right-click and select "Execute" if I want to run it on the device Aug 17 22:42:04 Otherwise Ctrl+Enter opens it in a browser Aug 17 22:42:43 * PatrickC would love to have sdk integration with flashdevelop Aug 17 22:42:47 PuffTheMagic: So replacing on an empty range should just insert the text rather than replacing existing selected text Aug 17 22:42:53 I'll install it today (flashdevelop) Aug 17 22:43:45 so nobody will tell me where the ipk 's are? Aug 17 22:43:58 I'll let you know when I post the sample Aug 17 22:45:21 ianbeck, i did a forceFocus before calling the function and that doesnt help either Aug 17 22:46:04 Does it insert non-whitespace strings? Might be afflicted with the same space-related problems as other methods Aug 17 22:47:11 singmajesty: thanks Aug 17 22:47:13 you got my email? Aug 17 22:47:14 ya it inserts _ Aug 17 22:47:19 if i tell it to Aug 17 22:47:57 PuffTheMagic: Does it work if you allowHTML? Aug 17 22:48:00 sweet I found them Aug 17 22:48:15 PuffTheMagic: the input kinds run _.trim() Aug 17 22:48:20 Or are you guys talking about something other than spaces in RichText kinds, now? :) Aug 17 22:48:25 which removes initial and end whitespace Aug 17 22:48:34 Tibfib, ahh, custom type time! Aug 17 22:48:39 lol Aug 17 22:48:40 OH MY GOSH Aug 17 22:48:45 THAT'S WhAT WE DO IN SPAZ HD Aug 17 22:48:55 which is why I was trying to refer you to it. Aug 17 22:48:55 thanks for wasting my time HP Aug 17 22:49:02 if someone types a space dont u think they want it? Aug 17 22:49:11 D'oh! I'd forgotten about the trimming Aug 17 22:49:21 PuffTheMagic: yeah, it's a pretty stupid decision Aug 17 22:49:39 Tibfib, there are no shortages of those Aug 17 22:49:51 hear, hear! Aug 17 22:50:13 they must think devs are retarded or something Aug 17 22:50:27 they must hold our hands the whole time Aug 17 22:51:04 I don't see trim in RichText or Input Aug 17 22:51:21 singmajesty: IT HAPPENS Aug 17 22:51:21 singmajesty: It's way low down Aug 17 22:51:24 somehow, somewhere Aug 17 22:51:27 in setDomValue or something Aug 17 22:51:47 I see it in BasicRichText setDomValue Aug 17 22:51:53 But RichText extends Input Aug 17 22:51:58 Oh, maybe it is in BasicInput? Aug 17 22:51:58 input does it tooo. Aug 17 22:52:29 RichText extends Input, but implements BasicRichText for the actual input component Aug 17 22:53:01 Can you just override the getDomValue method? Aug 17 22:53:13 Or is that were the custom kind comes in? :) Aug 17 22:53:17 where Aug 17 22:53:17 GOSH I love amazon prime Aug 17 22:53:34 im so confused now Aug 17 22:53:36 Might require two kinds: one overridden BasicRichText, and one overridden actual element that replaces the input with your new BasicRichText kind Aug 17 22:53:56 anyone think teh touchstone is worth it? Aug 17 22:54:12 for touchpad Aug 17 22:54:17 nope Aug 17 22:54:22 I love the Touchstone, myself Aug 17 22:54:22 usb ftw Aug 17 22:54:33 ianbeck: I absolutely love it for my pre Aug 17 22:54:44 don't know if it is worth $70 to me though for my touchpad Aug 17 22:54:50 If you want to use a bluetooth keyboard, makes a big difference Aug 17 22:54:52 perhaps on a sale. Aug 17 22:54:54 Yeah, it's really pricey Aug 17 22:55:06 Might get cheaper later Aug 17 22:55:16 touchstones are always worth it - the only question is whether you can afford it yet. Aug 17 22:55:21 cheaper direct from hp as well Aug 17 22:55:22 ++ Aug 17 22:55:28 is there any way to find out what could be causing a luna restart Aug 17 22:55:32 Tibfib, i can just override the method cant i Aug 17 22:55:37 like, some sort of log... Aug 17 22:55:44 PuffTheMagic: probably Aug 17 22:56:05 https://github.com/funkatron/Spaz-Enyo/blob/master/source/javascript/SpazRichText.js Aug 17 22:56:17 then use " " Aug 17 22:56:57 * Tibfib just bought the hp case Aug 17 22:57:01 Tibfib Aug 17 22:57:05 haeffb Aug 17 22:57:21 ok, got nomnomnom and glimpse Aug 17 22:57:23 14 off at amazon Aug 17 22:57:32 + free 2 day shipping Aug 17 22:57:54 * haeffb doesn't use the Touchstand Aug 17 22:58:04 ++ Aug 17 22:58:06 NuttyBunny: good man Aug 17 22:58:23 PuffTheMagic: all my apps are available free in Preware or paid in the catalog Aug 17 22:58:35 that guy! Aug 17 22:58:47 haeffb, i think the key is pressing the donations first, then selling it Aug 17 22:58:53 can do it after its been free forever Aug 17 22:58:59 * ziplock503 won 2 touchpads off facebook and a trip! Aug 17 22:59:07 oh comeon Aug 17 22:59:16 lol Aug 17 22:59:28 ziplock503, you must now leave Aug 17 22:59:33 lol Aug 17 22:59:45 ditto Aug 17 22:59:59 don't have them yet :( Aug 17 23:00:07 pre2 sprint ftw Aug 17 23:00:12 * haeffb was under the impression that I could view and modify a closed source app as much as I'd like, as long as I don't reuse/distribute the code... Aug 17 23:00:23 haeffb: as long as no one knows Aug 17 23:00:26 Leaving nomnomnom review: app is crap, doesn't drive my car by itself, zero start Aug 17 23:00:40 NuttyBunny: that's a generous review Aug 17 23:00:43 for instance, modify the weather channel app to remove ads. Aug 17 23:00:45 NuttyBunny: I will publicly shame you until your own country kicks you out. Aug 17 23:00:48 they won't help me with that haeffb Aug 17 23:01:11 * ziplock503 crys Aug 17 23:01:26 ah, cool! folders! :D Aug 17 23:01:29 well, you could try google... Aug 17 23:01:32 haeffb: well that's kind of 'lame' Aug 17 23:01:38 I NEED Aug 17 23:01:41 GOOD NEWS Aug 17 23:01:44 does anyone have any? Aug 17 23:01:47 will pay top dollar Aug 17 23:01:54 Tibfib got you more chocolates Aug 17 23:01:54 NomNomNom now has instapaper and readitlater support Aug 17 23:02:02 Adora: I bought nomnomnom Aug 17 23:02:03 updating being submitted this evening Aug 17 23:02:03 woot Aug 17 23:02:04 Tibfib: this is very good news! Aug 17 23:02:09 Adora, I just saved $500 on my auto insurance. Aug 17 23:02:28 Tibfib: Actually I'm already liking it, great interface! :D Aug 17 23:02:32 Adora: Pacman is making a comeback Aug 17 23:02:34 thanks man! Aug 17 23:02:38 Tibfib: has anyone else mentioned yet how alignment gets off when you have a bunch of feeds / folders? Aug 17 23:02:41 Tibfib: yes, that's kinda "lame", but is it illegal per DMCA ? Aug 17 23:02:56 because I think that's what's happening with me Aug 17 23:02:58 Adora: hmmm, nope Aug 17 23:03:04 Adora: can you send me a ss? Aug 17 23:03:09 yesyes Aug 17 23:03:12 Adora: follow less feeds. problem solved. Aug 17 23:03:12 nomnomnom Aug 17 23:03:18 Tibfib: my nomnomnom bug is when I go back to home, there are no folders Aug 17 23:03:25 alright time for sleep Aug 17 23:03:26 linuxjacques: did you email me? Aug 17 23:03:31 night all Aug 17 23:03:32 Tibfib: no :-\ Aug 17 23:03:51 linuxjacques: oh, nevermind. someone had a different issue Aug 17 23:04:01 it's as if the folders are there, but invisible Aug 17 23:04:01 Tibfib: my nomnomnom bug is that I don't use feed readers. Make it a different app. Aug 17 23:04:15 because when I tap around, I get articles to read Aug 17 23:04:20 Make it a twitter app. I'd use that. Aug 17 23:04:25 haeffb: been there done that Aug 17 23:04:28 see spaz hd Aug 17 23:04:36 Tibfib, does it do offline reading? Aug 17 23:04:39 not yet Aug 17 23:04:43 hm. Ok. make it a netflix app Aug 17 23:04:51 netflix+++ Aug 17 23:05:00 haeffb: $500000000 Aug 17 23:05:04 nomnomnom: now with Netflix! Aug 17 23:05:08 linuxjacques: hmmm, that's not good Aug 17 23:05:10 I'd buy that for $2.99 Aug 17 23:05:11 lol Aug 17 23:05:16 * rwatkins wonders if enyo SlidingPane apps are gonna multiview or not when run in landscape mode .. Aug 17 23:05:25 (was loling at the netflix comment) Aug 17 23:05:27 on a device like ... say a pre3. Aug 17 23:05:33 I REALLY wish bugs would happen to me so I could Aug 17 23:06:05 debug them Aug 17 23:06:15 * Tibfib thanks everyone for not posting so he could complete his thought Aug 17 23:06:32 I would pay $2.99 for a netflix app! Aug 17 23:07:06 Adora: I've also been playing with having a vertical list instead of cards Aug 17 23:07:22 PatrickC, 3 dollars for a app that just allows you to add to insta queue? Aug 17 23:07:26 oh noes Aug 17 23:07:32 I want djay app for touchpad Aug 17 23:07:34 PuffTheMagic: that allows me to watch Aug 17 23:07:40 PatrickC, thats not allowed Aug 17 23:07:42 period Aug 17 23:07:46 yet Aug 17 23:07:49 not part of their open API Aug 17 23:07:52 EVER! Aug 17 23:08:02 I would pay for the official Aug 17 23:08:03 Tibfib, Review left :) Aug 17 23:08:07 thanks man! Aug 17 23:08:22 np :) Aug 17 23:08:56 err, if(review_rating > 3) { return "Thanks!" } else { return "You're dead to me" } Aug 17 23:09:08 7 more to go Aug 17 23:09:35 NuttyBunny - did u buy wildn yet Aug 17 23:09:39 Adora: I feel like this screenshot could be used as blackmail Aug 17 23:09:53 Tibfib: watch it =] Aug 17 23:09:54 Dunno why that happens, I'll get it fixed Aug 17 23:09:59 thanks! Aug 17 23:10:02 blackmail is good! Aug 17 23:10:26 i still had add a damn space! Aug 17 23:10:34 fxspec06: done :) Aug 17 23:10:42 how do you have soooo many feeds? Aug 17 23:10:44 that's crazy. Aug 17 23:10:48 coollollloooioooo Aug 17 23:11:07 what screenshot?! Aug 17 23:11:14 PatrickC: you're too young Aug 17 23:11:21 no I'm not.. Aug 17 23:11:27 I'm never too young :P Aug 17 23:11:28 6 more to go Aug 17 23:11:30 said the 15 year old Aug 17 23:11:36 yep Aug 17 23:11:37 * Tibfib waits for it Aug 17 23:11:42 said the 17 year old Aug 17 23:11:45 bingo Aug 17 23:11:48 the 15 year old who's a black belt :) Aug 17 23:11:51 brows* Aug 17 23:11:55 Tibfib: no color miniicon? Aug 17 23:12:03 rwatkins: not atm Aug 17 23:12:10 wasn't planning on it Aug 17 23:12:17 you know what beats a black belt? a guy with throwing knives. Aug 17 23:12:20 wircer! Aug 17 23:12:26 or a guy with a gun. Aug 17 23:12:29 chuck norris Aug 17 23:12:33 ok, no more app buying for today :) Aug 17 23:12:42 NuttyBunny: why not? :) Aug 17 23:12:43 or indiana jones Aug 17 23:12:44 ya, interesting choice. grey is the default, but lots are full color. like, say, email. Aug 17 23:12:57 Yeah, shoulda good with color Aug 17 23:13:17 would be nice if there was UX consistency for color or grey miniicons. Aug 17 23:13:30 I like color better personally Aug 17 23:13:33 PatrickC, gotta work (still several things missing here) Aug 17 23:13:46 me too Aug 17 23:13:47 lol Aug 17 23:13:49 * oil is going to go full color all the way now that it works Aug 17 23:13:49 bpadalino: jhihyuhh Aug 17 23:14:33 PuffTheMagic: jhihyuhh right back atcha Aug 17 23:15:10 where are ipk's kept I'm looking for tweed in my backups .. help plz I paid for it Aug 17 23:15:10 nice bug - you refresh a list with a swipeable item waiting on confirmation .. Aug 17 23:15:20 and it cancels it. Aug 17 23:15:25 Does the Touchstone comes with power adapter? Aug 17 23:15:29 (TP) Aug 17 23:15:30 say when you get a new email while trying to delete. Aug 17 23:15:47 NuttyBunny: yes Aug 17 23:15:59 5 more to go Aug 17 23:16:12 it has a non-removable USB cord that plugs into an included wall charger Aug 17 23:16:16 NuttyBunny: don't forget to leave a nice review plz ; ) Aug 17 23:16:18 singmajesty: what are you counting down? Aug 17 23:16:23 haeffb: so it isn't *that* expensive, considering the power adapter is about $20 Aug 17 23:16:44 singmajesty: awesome Aug 17 23:16:45 fxspec06: lemme play with it for a while, but yes, I'll leave a nice review :) Aug 17 23:16:50 the power adapter is about $3 on ebay Aug 17 23:16:54 amazon cheaper Aug 17 23:16:57 well, not the touchpad adapter Aug 17 23:17:10 lol k thx bak 2 work Aug 17 23:17:16 * haeffb has $48 of promo code to spend yet. Aug 17 23:17:37 4 more Aug 17 23:18:03 How many more samples I need to finish until I have my copy of Style Matters finished Aug 17 23:18:07 The whole thing has code completion Aug 17 23:18:19 UGH! move package! Aug 17 23:18:21 Adora: so where's a good place to just report general webOS bugs? Aug 17 23:18:26 Once I'm done I'm going to post the sample and the instructions for building Enyo apps with code completion Aug 17 23:18:44 like say the icon an an app detail page is scaled up and fuzzy, while the ones in the index list are ok? Aug 17 23:19:16 singmajesty, Adora: why would my dev device ship out from Kansas? Aug 17 23:19:16 Adora: fixed Aug 17 23:19:17 rwatkins: let me stand in for Adora and say "your mom" Aug 17 23:19:38 PatrickC: because they have a shipping/warehouse location in Kansas? Aug 17 23:19:51 I've always gotten them from Sunnyvale Aug 17 23:19:58 so I was just wondering Aug 17 23:20:02 Things: they change. Aug 17 23:20:12 I don't like change! Aug 17 23:20:16 * Tibfib wonders where said warehouse is and the best way to infiltrate Aug 17 23:20:18 hm. mom's very pleasant to talking the feedback but not so effective in doing anything with it. Aug 17 23:20:18 obama! Aug 17 23:20:26 but on the bright side, its already closer to my house :) Aug 17 23:20:35 PatrickC: Loaners are likely shipped from Sunnyvale, but if you're buying a TouchPad they're going to be shipping it from a commercial warehouse Aug 17 23:20:44 rwatkins: sadly, your mother is still better at it than we are Aug 17 23:20:44 ianbeck: mine are loaners Aug 17 23:20:52 PatrickC: No idea, then :-) Aug 17 23:21:21 Adora: So there isn't a good place to report general WebOS bugs, then? I've been wondering that, too Aug 17 23:21:23 *sigh* Aug 17 23:21:42 jira-incoming@hpwebos.com please. :/ Aug 17 23:21:50 for app catalog stuff, report it on the dev forums Aug 17 23:22:01 I thought there was a web form? Aug 17 23:22:13 ya, guess so. thx Aug 17 23:22:13 for everything else, report it on the user forums Aug 17 23:22:31 Blech Aug 17 23:22:41 Tibfib: I doubt anyone's paying much attention, though Aug 17 23:22:50 those are the two places I know are monitored Aug 17 23:22:57 :/ .. it still hasn't been received by ups.. Aug 17 23:22:57 * oil reports problems to adora so they get handled :) Aug 17 23:22:57 user forums? Aug 17 23:23:08 don't tell that to twbbas_, he just submitted a feature request on the web form Aug 17 23:23:09 whenever i post in the forums i hear crickets Aug 17 23:23:10 Adora: Palm/HP has a web form, but doesn't monitor it? Aug 17 23:23:12 * Adora handles oil's mom Aug 17 23:23:18 Adora always fixes things :) Aug 17 23:23:35 thats hot Aug 17 23:23:51 wow.. lol Aug 17 23:24:01 oil: you need your sig to say "yo, I'm in WebOS internals. I'm big stuff" Aug 17 23:24:03 uh. Aug 17 23:24:04 webosnewbie isn't here.. good :P Aug 17 23:24:04 why isn't it showing /var/usr/palm/applications as a folder ?? Aug 17 23:24:06 then peeps'll reply Aug 17 23:24:23 ziplock503: it? Aug 17 23:24:35 Tibfib: maybe i should Aug 17 23:24:43 in terminal Aug 17 23:24:48 HEY! we have more users in #webos than in #webos-internals Aug 17 23:24:49 SUCCESS Aug 17 23:24:50 novaterm Aug 17 23:24:53 * PuffTheMagic imagines adora handling oil's mom Aug 17 23:24:56 oil: just put "do you know who I am?" at the end of every post Aug 17 23:25:00 lol Aug 17 23:25:13 we should ALL do that Aug 17 23:25:22 handle oil's mom? Aug 17 23:25:26 every time i hear that i think the response is going to be "i'm the juggernaut bitch" Aug 17 23:25:39 press 1 if you've met the legendary rod whitby Aug 17 23:25:40 singmajesty: Someone mentioned I should talk to you about alternate programming langs. Aug 17 23:25:42 1 Aug 17 23:25:51 imagine adora handling oil's mom? Aug 17 23:25:54 lol Aug 17 23:25:56 not sure what you're saying, tib Aug 17 23:25:58 fib Aug 17 23:26:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSuvOVH0aSQ Aug 17 23:26:14 haeffb: no, put "do you know who I am?" Aug 17 23:26:16 at the end Aug 17 23:26:50 * haeffb going outside to enjoy the weather. We get like two good days a year in Missouri. Aug 17 23:27:09 * Tibfib bets haeffb is taking his TouchPad outside to play with it Aug 17 23:27:24 straying no futher than the wifi connection Aug 17 23:27:39 only books see sunlight lol jk Aug 17 23:27:39 lol Aug 17 23:27:42 nooks Aug 17 23:28:02 yay for nick completion Aug 17 23:28:02 * Tibfib hifives rwhitby Aug 17 23:28:15 WHATT? Aug 17 23:28:23 how is there someone in here with a T name befor me Aug 17 23:28:24 jerk Aug 17 23:28:32 lol Aug 17 23:28:45 gokr: Yo Aug 17 23:28:46 * Tibfib changes name to Tabfib Aug 17 23:28:48 you are the 6th one Aug 17 23:28:55 burn! Aug 17 23:28:55 no I'm not. Aug 17 23:28:55 * PatrickC hides Aug 17 23:29:02 I'm the 2nd T Aug 17 23:29:06 What type of alternate programming languages are you looking for? Aug 17 23:29:08 usually first Aug 17 23:29:09 not here Aug 17 23:29:17 PatrickC: YEAH I AM Aug 17 23:29:24 PatrickC: Y U NO READ? Aug 17 23:29:32 wirc doesn't like you then Aug 17 23:29:58 singmajesty: Not really looking - I am working on using Jtalk (Smalltalk) Aug 17 23:30:11 ive... got to go.. Aug 17 23:30:12 bbl :P Aug 17 23:30:13 COFFESCRIPT OR GTFO Aug 17 23:30:19 Have a first silly demo working. Aug 17 23:30:22 SPELING OR GTFO Aug 17 23:30:24 * Tibfib bets Patrick got in trouble Aug 17 23:30:28 hahah Aug 17 23:31:05 so funkatron, I found a spaz hd Aug 17 23:31:06 bug Aug 17 23:31:18 I know, crazy Aug 17 23:31:21 PandaPad! Aug 17 23:31:30 but it is for multiple users, so I probably have to fix it >.< Aug 17 23:31:40 http://www.precentral.net/hp-france-outs-white-64gb-touchpad-1-5ghz-processor Aug 17 23:31:46 funkatron: we don't reject duplicate mentions Aug 17 23:31:55 Oh. I see why that happens Aug 17 23:32:09 https://github.com/gokr/jtalk/tree/master/webos/hellojtalk Aug 17 23:32:09 today there was a tweet to @spaz and @tibfib Aug 17 23:32:18 white :-( Aug 17 23:33:07 Oh, okay Aug 17 23:33:10 bbl Aug 17 23:33:11 Tibfib: that was dumb! Aug 17 23:33:14 8D Aug 17 23:33:14 So Jtalk is a little bit like Coffee Script? Aug 17 23:33:17 Compiled Javascript? Aug 17 23:33:21 funkatron: SORRY Aug 17 23:33:23 I TRY AND I TRY Aug 17 23:33:31 "Qualcomm Snapdragon processor 1.5 GHz dual-core APQ8060" last I checked, there was no 1.5GHz APQ on Qualcomm's site Aug 17 23:33:34 *cries* Aug 17 23:33:55 So long as you can generate Javascript objects that look like the ones used for Enyo, traditionally, you should be safe Aug 17 23:34:06 Where it gets tricky is if you want to rely on standard prototypical inheritance Aug 17 23:34:14 Enyo don't play that ;) Aug 17 23:34:18 How come I have to setup my credit card to use a promo code? Aug 17 23:34:29 If you want to extend kinds like classes, you'll have to wrap the API Aug 17 23:34:37 Tibfib_: what can I do to get a sidebar in NomNomNom that lists my items? Aug 17 23:34:41 with your own objects that *do* use a standard inheritance model Aug 17 23:35:14 Has anyone had trouble with a PrevNextBanner not appearing? Aug 17 23:35:53 funkatron: ARG Aug 17 23:36:05 I've been thinking about that for a while Aug 17 23:36:09 haven't find the right balance yet Aug 17 23:36:13 s/find/found/ Aug 17 23:36:35 why can't I get a spell check that fixes my typing to what I meant for it to say Aug 17 23:36:48 singmajesty: Got it. Will be strictly on a "use" basis for now. Aug 17 23:37:13 funkatron: would you still want the cards? or do you want the article list to replace the cards? Aug 17 23:37:17 Tibfib_: I just like viewing the list over there. I know it's traditional, but would like the option Aug 17 23:37:35 Adora wants it too Aug 17 23:37:36 Tibfib_: Me, I like lists. Big fan of Reeder and the Helvetireader style Aug 17 23:37:40 FREAKING power users Aug 17 23:37:49 funkatron: okay, I think I have a solution Aug 17 23:37:51 Tibfib_: others may be different of course. Viewing options FTW Aug 17 23:37:57 The interesting bit is the IDE, itching to move it to Enyo. Aug 17 23:38:21 funkatron: I was considering morphing teh cards and a list, but I don't think I will Aug 17 23:38:25 *nod* Aug 17 23:38:26 I think I'll have them as separate options Aug 17 23:38:37 yeah, what if it was just a diff view option? Aug 17 23:38:53 "Article Previews": "Cards" Aug 17 23:38:58 || "List" Aug 17 23:39:00 right Aug 17 23:39:04 3 left Aug 17 23:39:13 * Tibfib_ wonders what singmajesty is counting off Aug 17 23:39:30 I'm almost done with my Style Matters application! Aug 17 23:39:37 Style Matters ... with *CODE COMPLETION* Aug 17 23:39:44 (enter dramatic music) Aug 17 23:39:48 nice Aug 17 23:39:52 Once I'm done I'm posting it all Aug 17 23:39:55 And what is diff about it? Aug 17 23:40:01 I basically have the whole Enyo API mapped out Aug 17 23:40:05 it's hace right? Aug 17 23:40:10 All 171 files Aug 17 23:40:11 s/hace/haxe/ Aug 17 23:40:13 Yeah Aug 17 23:40:26 But it feels a lot like Javascript, still Aug 17 23:40:35 funkatron: I'll just ask some other people what they think, but that looks like what I'll do Aug 17 23:40:38 Written in Haxe? Aug 17 23:40:42 You can literally copy and paste { kind: "Button", caption: "Hello" } style code straight over Aug 17 23:40:52 okay, now bbl Aug 17 23:41:02 ...but you don't get code completion that way. That's why I'm rewriting Style Matters, to show it done in a way that gives you completion Aug 17 23:41:13 Tibfib_: sounds good dude Aug 17 23:41:18 Works in Eclipse, FlashDevelop, TextMate, vim, emacs, etc. Aug 17 23:41:38 URL? Aug 17 23:41:40 bbl!! Aug 17 23:42:05 I'm posting the URL... Aug 17 23:42:07 after I finish Aug 17 23:42:10 3 examples left Aug 17 23:42:15 That's what I'm counting down :) Aug 17 23:42:22 why isn't there a var/usr/palm/applications folder on my phone?? is it different now? Aug 17 23:42:22 oil-(totally_awesome_nick_completion_separator)- wirc iz cool Aug 17 23:42:41 It is /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Aug 17 23:42:54 ash bastards Aug 17 23:42:55 ty Aug 17 23:43:01 ash=ahh Aug 17 23:46:27 * haeffb is back from the outdoors Aug 17 23:46:37 man shredded wheat rocks my bowels Aug 17 23:46:46 * haeffb leaves again Aug 17 23:46:52 lol Aug 17 23:51:40 Tibfib_: I cannot use the promo code apparently! Aug 17 23:54:22 singmajesty: anon objects map close enough to js syntax for copy/paste of Enyo templates? Aug 17 23:58:51 Yep, pretty much Aug 17 23:59:10 The only thing that doesn't map directly is when it is enyo.HFlexBox instead of "HFlexBox" Aug 17 23:59:23 Since the reference enyo.HFlexBox isn't defined Aug 17 23:59:43 Well, actually it is... Aug 18 00:00:07 But instead of using enyo.HFlexBox as the "created" class, I use it as the base for a generic { kind: "enyo.HFlexBox } object Aug 18 00:00:26 Anyway, makes more sense in practice :) Aug 18 00:00:37 so you can do components = [ new Button () ]; Aug 18 00:00:53 which really is components = [ { kind: "enyo.Button" } ]; Aug 18 00:01:15 whereas components = [ new enyo.Button () ] in Javascript will make everything blow up Aug 18 00:01:43 * singmajesty puts his head down to finish Aug 18 00:10:01 Where is Patrick.. that tard Aug 18 00:10:02 https://store.popcap.com/cart.php?a=track_a&oid=11287&installtag=&cid=fba:offline Aug 18 00:10:11 half off bejeweled blitz for PC since its offline Aug 18 00:11:22 Tibfib_: hmm? Aug 18 00:15:17 is there still a downloadable zip of the latest Enyo somewhere? Like what Palm did with the Enyo Preview? Aug 18 00:15:37 its in the SDK...? Aug 18 00:15:46 but not standalone... ? Aug 18 00:15:59 yeah, figured that. My SDK won't boot for some reason. Aug 18 00:16:16 so yeah, wondering if there is a standalone copy downloadable somewhere Aug 18 00:18:07 dgathright_: unzip it from the 3.0.2 doctor Aug 18 00:18:20 ah, good idea, thanks Aug 18 00:27:44 2 left Aug 18 00:27:50 Yeesh, that was a big one Aug 18 00:32:52 One left. Sweet, that was a easy one Aug 18 00:33:17 thats what she said Aug 18 00:33:51 zing Aug 18 00:35:03 * haeffb goes for the easy laugh, and often fails Aug 18 00:40:57 Done! Aug 18 00:41:01 Now to write my post about it Aug 18 00:41:19 (that's what she said?) Aug 18 00:41:47 D'oh. Closed IRC by accident Aug 18 00:49:27 IRC will probably forgive you Aug 18 00:52:16 singmajesty: wirc-enyo is building to a testing feed release Aug 18 00:53:00 Sweet Aug 18 00:53:26 Maybe I could use TouchPad + TouchStone + keyboard for IRC Aug 18 00:53:36 While I work on my desktop Aug 18 00:53:42 Might be fun Aug 18 01:04:08 hey guys, what is the accelerometer event in the touchpad browser? Aug 18 01:05:36 yo yo, wut up Aug 18 01:18:43 Tibfib_ I be back Aug 18 01:19:29 Tibfib_: Your notifications are wrong Aug 18 01:19:44 * twbbas makes a note of that for when Tibfib_ gets back Aug 18 01:27:03 anyone know about the touchpad browseR? Aug 18 01:27:26 wesbos: I have a TouchPad. What do you need to know? Aug 18 01:27:49 looking to expose the accelerometer via the browser Aug 18 01:28:12 like most webkit browsers you can bind to the deviceorientation or devicemotion event Aug 18 01:28:56 wesbos: I'm sorry but I don't know much about that. For what it's worth, I've never heard of that. Aug 18 01:29:14 Ah yeah Aug 18 01:29:29 I'm writing a script to normalize all the events accross all the browsers Aug 18 01:29:41 cool Aug 18 01:29:50 mozilla/ipad/chrome/ android are all different Aug 18 01:34:55 wesbos: I know how! Aug 18 01:35:22 lets give this uberkernel another try... why not Aug 18 01:35:37 *Ghostbusters is on HDnet btw Aug 18 01:37:35 kesne: yeah? Aug 18 01:37:43 do share :) Aug 18 01:37:48 ooh installed w/ no reboot loop or anything Aug 18 01:37:51 most excellent Aug 18 01:38:08 document.addEventListener('acceleration', function(rawData){}, false); Aug 18 01:38:09 I think Aug 18 01:38:31 let me give that a shot Aug 18 01:39:47 kesne: no dice, where did you read this? Aug 18 01:39:59 wesbos: I use it in my app Aug 18 01:40:20 oo, would you be able to check what the event is called? Aug 18 01:41:03 ugh Aug 18 01:41:07 I need to find a cheap mac Aug 18 01:41:11 wesbos: What do you mean? Aug 18 01:41:15 twbbas: Macbok air Aug 18 01:41:29 twbbas: I built a sweet hackintosh for 800 bucks Aug 18 01:41:40 kesne: binding to acceleration doesn't trigger anything Aug 18 01:41:42 I'm hoping for one below $500 Aug 18 01:41:47 I don't care if it's old Aug 18 01:41:57 oh nice uberkernel has a 150/1100 screenstate3 setting in govnah Aug 18 01:41:58 It just needs to be able to run xcode and iOS SDK Aug 18 01:42:04 wesbos: this is the code I use right inside of my app: Aug 18 01:42:05 this.accelerationListener = this.handleAcceleration.bind(this); Aug 18 01:42:05 document.addEventListener('acceleration',this.accelerationListener ,false); Aug 18 01:42:25 LOL I should get this one: http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Desktop-M8950LL-1-0-GHz-PowerPC/dp/B00009LIG5/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1313631571&sr=1-1 Aug 18 01:42:30 Think that'll run Xcode ;) Aug 18 01:42:35 kesne: and that runs on the touchpad browser? Aug 18 01:42:51 wesbos: In an app, at least Aug 18 01:42:54 lol emac Aug 18 01:43:04 $25 bucks though... hey Aug 18 01:43:06 why not Aug 18 01:43:08 lol Aug 18 01:43:13 it won't run xcode Aug 18 01:43:16 doubt it at least Aug 18 01:43:22 128MB RAM? ehhhhh Aug 18 01:43:28 lol Aug 18 01:43:43 $25 might be on the high side Aug 18 01:43:47 haha Aug 18 01:43:54 couldn't imagine going back to something like that Aug 18 01:44:01 doesnt look like they opened it up to the browser :\ Aug 18 01:44:01 as i type on my laptop with 4GB RAM Aug 18 01:44:34 twbbas: I'll sell you my PC laptop for $500! Just hack OS X onto it Aug 18 01:45:04 kesne: It's possible to install OS X on a PC? Aug 18 01:46:01 twbbas: Sure. Aug 18 01:46:04 any sign of a 2.2 sdk? Aug 18 01:48:08 anyone know of a site-crawling tool for aspx/js pages? Aug 18 01:48:10 man this thing is complicated to install OS X on a PC Aug 18 01:50:03 I bet it would be better just to buy a cheap mac mini Aug 18 01:57:40 hi all! Aug 18 01:58:19 Hey guys Aug 18 01:58:27 It took me longer than expected, but I finished posting: Aug 18 01:58:27 http://www.joshuagranick.com/blog/2011/08/17/style-matters-for-haxe-js-a-kitchen-sink-enyo-example/ Aug 18 01:58:44 You can download Style Matters, written in a way that you can have full code completion Aug 18 01:59:05 This isn't meant to replace the traditional way of making Enyo applications, but to provide an alternative, depending on your tastes Aug 18 01:59:16 nice Aug 18 01:59:21 sweet Aug 18 01:59:24 In many ways it is very much the same, but code completion for the API makes a big difference, at least for me Aug 18 01:59:41 The post explains a bit on how it varies, how you can get the sample, and what you need to give it a try Aug 18 01:59:57 I would definitely recommend FlashDevelop on Windows, but plugins are available for Eclipse, TextMate and other editors Aug 18 02:00:21 And writing objects can be done in a { generic: "Way" } Aug 18 02:00:29 There just isn't completion that way, not usually Aug 18 02:00:39 (Though there will be in FlashDevelop in a couple days, heard from the developer) Aug 18 02:01:00 So var button = new Button (); button.caption = "Hi!"; is the way you can create objects for completion Aug 18 02:02:34 twbbas: try out da instapaper? Aug 18 02:03:41 Tibfib: Oi! I got distracted Aug 18 02:03:49 I've been looking at cheap macs Aug 18 02:03:52 * Tibfib shakes fist Aug 18 02:04:07 now I remember why I opened up Chrome in the first place... to buy my instapaper subscription >.> Aug 18 02:04:18 Tibfib: I also found a bug Aug 18 02:04:25 nice Aug 18 02:04:27 what is it? Aug 18 02:04:33 twbbas: it can be free Aug 18 02:04:41 wait maybe not a bug anymore Aug 18 02:05:04 I think it might have just been a problem with my TPad Aug 18 02:05:13 I left for about 4 hrs and I only had "2 unread" Engadget articles Aug 18 02:05:16 in my notification Aug 18 02:05:22 but I had 19 unread articles on Reader site Aug 18 02:05:31 Maybe the wifi goes to sleep when it's off for a while? Aug 18 02:05:41 Because now it's showing the correct amount in the notification Aug 18 02:05:49 ah could be Aug 18 02:06:11 hmm, that's odd Aug 18 02:06:19 any interesting logs? Aug 18 02:06:45 * twbbas loads up lumberjack Aug 18 02:07:01 no logs listed Aug 18 02:07:02 >.> Aug 18 02:07:15 shmeh, leave it Aug 18 02:08:09 * Tibfib is submitting teh update Aug 18 02:10:53 wtf paypal isn't letting me use my debit card to pay for instapaper Aug 18 02:11:10 and my paypal account is borked so I can't pay with that either Aug 18 02:11:11 twbbas: you don't have to pay to use it in nomnomnom Aug 18 02:11:24 Tibfib: Really? Aug 18 02:11:29 Doesn't it use the api? Aug 18 02:11:31 oil, my wikipedia and zombie shirts have shipped Aug 18 02:11:38 twbbas: the quick-add api doesn't require payment Aug 18 02:11:41 * oil too Aug 18 02:11:42 :D Aug 18 02:11:44 Wewt Aug 18 02:11:50 Too bad I can't use paper mache though Aug 18 02:11:52 oil: pumped Aug 18 02:11:56 lol Aug 18 02:12:21 Tibfib: an activity button would be nice Aug 18 02:12:26 for the login screen Aug 18 02:12:34 on the preferences popup? Aug 18 02:12:38 ya Aug 18 02:12:56 FINE Aug 18 02:13:02 DOOOO IT Aug 18 02:13:06 it takes like 2 secs Aug 18 02:13:35 yeah, they are actually already activity butons Aug 18 02:13:36 Woot! Instapaper thing worked Aug 18 02:13:38 just not activated Aug 18 02:13:40 o Aug 18 02:13:44 even easier Aug 18 02:14:46 there done Aug 18 02:16:28 dont bend to peer pressure tibfib Aug 18 02:16:50 NomNomNom already has a 1/4 of the total downloads koto player has. Aug 18 02:16:56 :O Aug 18 02:17:00 stupid lack of 2.0 on legacy devices Aug 18 02:17:05 ya that Aug 18 02:18:18 oh well, happy to have the money Aug 18 02:18:37 twbbas: did you see my conversation with funkatron about the list? Aug 18 02:18:48 article preview list Aug 18 02:19:39 Tibfib: nope Aug 18 02:20:08 basically it's just going to be an option Aug 18 02:20:29 article previews: card || list Aug 18 02:20:34 no morphing Aug 18 02:20:54 k Aug 18 02:21:06 I wish my idea could work :( Aug 18 02:21:21 There wouldn't be a way to have a sliding pane from the left with a list? Aug 18 02:21:31 then full article pane is on the right Aug 18 02:21:57 not really Aug 18 02:22:00 oh well Aug 18 02:22:03 it's okay Aug 18 02:22:05 I can't think of a way Aug 18 02:27:14 I wonder what would happen if I click the submit button more than once Aug 18 02:28:49 you get all your app sales multiplied by the amount of times you clicked Aug 18 02:29:04 ah, where? how? :D Aug 18 02:53:31 wow, precentral has a rough crowd Aug 18 02:54:34 pigsflew: really? :P That's the reason many people has migrated to webos Roundup and other forums Aug 18 02:55:01 i added wOR to my reader feed not too long ago Aug 18 02:55:06 NomNomNom ? Aug 18 02:55:10 i'm starting to think i really will flee there Aug 18 02:55:36 I wish WOR was a little more professional. I think I'd like it more Aug 18 02:55:47 but really, the readers at P|C just keep roasting Tim et al Aug 18 02:56:00 I do like WOR though Aug 18 02:56:02 and I'd sort of feel bad leaving :/ Aug 18 02:56:13 I like Tim Aug 18 02:56:18 me too Aug 18 02:56:19 yeah Tim seems nice Aug 18 02:56:27 I almost met him at a meetup near me Aug 18 02:56:31 I couldn't go though Aug 18 02:56:38 He used to live right near where I live Aug 18 02:56:55 Apparently only 1 other person showed up at the meetup lol Aug 18 02:56:59 eek Aug 18 02:57:00 lame Aug 18 02:57:25 i have a problem with the meetup nearest me... it's about a 40 minute drive, and I don't have a car Aug 18 02:57:29 I like Precentral's podcast more than WOR's though Aug 18 02:57:34 I met rod whitby at Oscon Aug 18 02:57:41 lucky Aug 18 02:57:41 twbbas: I honestly can't sit through either Aug 18 02:57:50 ahhh yeah ..cool dude Aug 18 02:57:52 ziplock503, nice Aug 18 02:57:58 only could this palmcast because they talked about NomNomNom Aug 18 02:58:03 Tibfib: I don't usually go to them live. I like to listen to TIMN and Precentral while coding. Aug 18 02:58:03 lol Aug 18 02:58:13 i cannot do that Aug 18 02:58:13 he fixed my pre2 kb Aug 18 02:58:20 I listen to TIMN while mowing lawns Aug 18 02:58:28 when i'm coding i need there to be no lyrics or words in whatever i'm listening to Aug 18 02:58:29 I can't do it while coding Aug 18 02:58:35 eh Aug 18 02:58:36 * Tibfib listens to music like none other Aug 18 02:58:41 timn?? what's this I need more podcast! Aug 18 02:58:46 this is my next Aug 18 02:58:46 This Is My Next Aug 18 02:58:50 best podcast ever. Aug 18 02:58:50 SAME CHARACTERS AGAIN Aug 18 02:58:59 I love having same characters in my name as tibfib Aug 18 02:59:02 I'll find it on drpodder Aug 18 02:59:12 twbbas: copycat Aug 18 02:59:16 nou Aug 18 02:59:41 I like how Dieter's on the TIMN podcasts now Aug 18 02:59:45 sweet, feed added Aug 18 02:59:46 he's like the HP/Palm rep there Aug 18 02:59:49 I have 14 plays a day average on last.fm, and that takes into account that I had a last.fm account for a year without ever scrobbling Aug 18 02:59:54 I listen to lot of video game podcast along with central and wor **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 18 02:59:56 2011