**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 18 02:59:56 2011
Aug 18 03:00:05 <Tibfib> pigsflew: really is the best podcast
Aug 18 03:00:10 <Tibfib> I get bored with others
Aug 18 03:00:16 <twbbas> My favorite place to listen to podcasts is while driving
Aug 18 03:00:18 <Tibfib> although I have been enjoying WPCentral lately
Aug 18 03:00:53 <pigsflew> I was actually wondering if P|C's sister sites had the same amount of thrashing
Aug 18 03:00:57 <Tibfib> might be because I know very little about WP7, so the podcast is educational... while Precentral they just repeat stuff I already know
Aug 18 03:01:06 <Tibfib> s/know/read/
Aug 18 03:01:07 <ziplock503> my 2 I feel like I can't get pulled over listen to podcast lol
Aug 18 03:01:32 <twbbas> it's so nerdy driving down the road listening to tech podcast lol
Aug 18 03:01:36 <twbbas> at least that's how I feel
Aug 18 03:01:38 <pigsflew> i'm inclined to think that they might see a lot of skepticism *because* of mobile nations, and other things bringing fans of one thing to another
Aug 18 03:01:46 <pigsflew> lol
Aug 18 03:01:47 <twbbas> ooo mobile nations podcast, forgot that
Aug 18 03:01:48 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 18 03:01:50 <twbbas> I listen to that too
Aug 18 03:01:54 <Tibfib> any good?
Aug 18 03:01:59 <twbbas> ya
Aug 18 03:02:03 <twbbas> Rene is a good host
Aug 18 03:02:03 <ziplock503> lol bose earbuds with mic ftw
Aug 18 03:02:04 * Tibfib will have to try it out
Aug 18 03:02:06 <pigsflew> It's a nice way to catch up on the big things
Aug 18 03:02:14 <Tibfib> that's what thisismynext is for
Aug 18 03:02:16 <twbbas> I thought Rene would try to push Apple the majority of the time but he balances it out
Aug 18 03:02:20 <ziplock503> engadget podcast is good
Aug 18 03:02:44 <Tibfib> thisismynext podcast is a good version of the engadget podcast
Aug 18 03:03:02 * Tibfib hasn't enjoyed the engadget podcast post-topolsky
Aug 18 03:03:13 <ziplock503> feed link drpodder can't find it
Aug 18 03:03:33 <ziplock503> I guess I can google lol
Aug 18 03:03:34 <Tibfib> thisismynext.com
Aug 18 03:03:38 <ziplock503> ty
Aug 18 03:03:50 <ziplock503> thought dieter was at verge ?
Aug 18 03:04:07 <Tibfib> same thing
Aug 18 03:04:12 <ziplock503> ahhhh
Aug 18 03:07:14 <ziplock503> feed added
Aug 18 03:09:32 <twbbas> PhoneGap Build is pretty neat
Aug 18 03:09:37 <twbbas> I'm playing around with it
Aug 18 03:10:49 <ziplock503> what's it do
Aug 18 03:11:00 <twbbas> You write an app in JS, HTML, and CSS and their servers do all the compiling and spit out packages for iOS, webOS, Android, Blackberry, and Symbian
Aug 18 03:11:15 <ziplock503> sick!
Aug 18 03:11:18 <twbbas> Ya man
Aug 18 03:11:40 <ziplock503> that's a money maker
Aug 18 03:11:42 <twbbas> I've heard writing in Phonegap is very similar to mojo too
Aug 18 03:11:48 <twbbas> since HP like contributes to it or something
Aug 18 03:12:13 <ziplock503> if they got that to android des we would have lots more apps
Aug 18 03:12:13 <twbbas> woot!
Aug 18 03:12:18 <ziplock503> des=dev
Aug 18 03:12:28 <twbbas> I have an apk, ipk, wgz, and ota all packaged :)
Aug 18 03:12:35 <twbbas> Yeah
Aug 18 03:12:46 <twbbas> I think I may port my enyo apps to phonegap
Aug 18 03:12:53 <pigsflew> man, i've now done webos native, android native, and ios native
Aug 18 03:12:56 <twbbas> and at least easily deploy it to Android
Aug 18 03:13:10 <pigsflew> and only wOS native *doesn't* make me want to never do mobile again
Aug 18 03:13:19 <pigsflew> but phonegap does alleviate it a lot
Aug 18 03:13:19 <twbbas> eh
Aug 18 03:13:20 <ziplock503> nice why put all your eggs in one OS
Aug 18 03:13:23 <twbbas> ya
Aug 18 03:13:36 <twbbas> The only problem with Phonegap is that I NEED a Mac to use the iOS part of it
Aug 18 03:13:36 <pigsflew> the iOS app was back a few years
Aug 18 03:13:49 <pigsflew> that's true of any ios development
Aug 18 03:14:01 <twbbas> Well, the only reason I need it is to get my developer certificate or something
Aug 18 03:14:04 <twbbas> and well, testing
Aug 18 03:14:04 <NuttyBunny> can't you just use a Hackintosh?
Aug 18 03:14:18 <pigsflew> Technically illegal, NuttyBunny
Aug 18 03:14:27 <pigsflew> against their TOS anyway
Aug 18 03:14:33 <twbbas> Yeah and I may be doing a cross-platform app for a client soon
Aug 18 03:14:40 <twbbas> He may pay for my Mac
Aug 18 03:14:46 <pigsflew> That's what I did
Aug 18 03:14:47 <pigsflew> :)
Aug 18 03:14:55 <twbbas> lol nice
Aug 18 03:14:56 <NuttyBunny> pigsflew: so, I have to buy an expensive computer, pay an expensive fee to have the "privilege" to develop for their platform?
Aug 18 03:15:01 <pigsflew> yeah
Aug 18 03:15:03 <pigsflew> pretty much
Aug 18 03:15:04 <twbbas> Yep
Aug 18 03:15:12 <pigsflew> and they make you jump through all these really awkward hoops
Aug 18 03:15:23 <NuttyBunny> and how they're still alive? :D  hehehe
Aug 18 03:15:30 <pigsflew> getting our QC team to be *able* to test the app was a show
Aug 18 03:15:35 <pigsflew> on the other hand
Aug 18 03:15:42 <pigsflew> the iOS Simulator is *fantastic*
Aug 18 03:15:54 <pigsflew> and the android emulator makes me want to stab people
Aug 18 03:16:21 <pigsflew> so the actual development of android apps makes me wonder how there are any android devs
Aug 18 03:16:41 <NuttyBunny_TP> the webos one is decent, unless you need to test pdk apps
Aug 18 03:16:56 <twbbas> I love being able to use chrome for enyo
Aug 18 03:16:59 <twbbas> that's a huge win
Aug 18 03:17:07 <pigsflew> I haven't done anything in pdk for webOS
Aug 18 03:17:25 <NuttyBunny_TP> oh yes, best thing ever!! chrome ftw
Aug 18 03:20:04 <twbbas> well, I'm off
Aug 18 03:20:08 <twbbas> good night webos
Aug 18 03:22:50 <NuttyBunny_TP> is it me or cards don't updage themselves while minimized on touchpad??
Aug 18 03:23:24 <NuttyBunny_TP> update
Aug 18 03:23:47 <pigsflew> is it the irc client that isn't?
Aug 18 03:24:07 <pigsflew> (also, what irc client are you using, and is it touchpad sized, because i want one bad)
Aug 18 03:42:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06: That's a good thread
Aug 18 03:42:23 <NuttyBunny_TP> wirc enyo :-)
Aug 18 03:42:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> with that poll
Aug 18 03:43:41 <Jake_M> you guys seen this? lololol http://twitter.com/#!/mikecane/status/103968229390692352
Aug 18 03:44:20 <Jake_M> i've seen some people upset but oh my god
Aug 18 03:44:22 <Jake_M> i actually laughed
Aug 18 03:44:36 <Jake_M>  If you press and hold a link to Open In New Card, it puts that Card in a Stack. I don?t want the damn Card in a stack!
Aug 18 03:44:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> more proof that it's Best Buy's fault
Aug 18 03:44:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> AND people are damn stupid
Aug 18 03:44:56 <Jake_M> well yeah best buys retarded.
Aug 18 03:45:13 <Jake_M> i'm pretty sure they go to like
Aug 18 03:45:21 <Jake_M> macrumors.com and hire those people on their forums
Aug 18 03:45:31 <Jake_M> a bunch of ignorant fanboys who just spit out APPS ARE THE BEST LOL
Aug 18 03:45:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hah, yep
Aug 18 03:45:41 <Jake_M> apps are just native versions of the website..
Aug 18 03:45:44 <Jake_M> and then theres games
Aug 18 03:47:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I swear... if my Pre2 automatically installs 2.1 124
Aug 18 03:47:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm going to rage
Aug 18 03:47:15 <Jake_M> you meta doctor?
Aug 18 03:47:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no
Aug 18 03:47:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Verizon 2.1
Aug 18 03:47:36 <Jake_M> what are you on then? 2.0.1?
Aug 18 03:47:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have Build 114
Aug 18 03:47:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> of 2.1
Aug 18 03:47:42 <Jake_M> i'm so confused
Aug 18 03:47:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> don't worry about it
Aug 18 03:47:52 <Jake_M> ohhhh i see
Aug 18 03:47:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have to though
Aug 18 03:47:53 <Jake_M> okay
Aug 18 03:47:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> gotta remove all my crap
Aug 18 03:48:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> incase it decides to go and try the upgrade
Aug 18 03:48:17 <Jake_M> i've heard that the verizon meta doctor works better than the 2.1 OTA
Aug 18 03:48:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, if you don't want Skype
Aug 18 03:48:35 <Jake_M> oh does it have skype?
Aug 18 03:48:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> which I do
Aug 18 03:48:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, the VZW one does
Aug 18 03:48:44 <Jake_M> oh nice
Aug 18 03:48:47 <Jake_M> lucky
Aug 18 03:50:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so I changed some data in the appinfo.json files in some OEM apps... what happens to those, then, in the update?
Aug 18 03:50:56 <Jake_M> from what i remember OTA just overwrites changes
Aug 18 03:51:02 <Jake_M> everything else stays the same
Aug 18 03:51:11 <pigsflew> wow man that link had so much rage
Aug 18 03:51:14 <Jake_M> because when you OTA you kept preware etc
Aug 18 03:53:21 <rwatkins> http://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/hp-touchpad-in-2012/
Aug 18 03:53:29 <rwatkins> but maybe replace the sale to Google rather than Apple
Aug 18 03:53:31 <PatrickC> kesne: ping
Aug 18 03:53:35 <kesne> What up
Aug 18 03:53:49 <PatrickC> I sent an email about the dev program
Aug 18 03:54:00 <PatrickC> I'll have a tp to help with on friday
Aug 18 03:54:01 <kesne> I saw
Aug 18 03:54:01 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 18 03:54:14 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 18 03:54:15 <rwatkins> $1bil for Palms patents seems a hell of alot cheaper than $12bil for Motorolas.
Aug 18 03:54:20 <Jake_M> "HP cannot execute"
Aug 18 03:54:31 <Jake_M> no big deal they're only like one of the biggest computer companies ever
Aug 18 03:54:36 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny_TP: how's it run?
Aug 18 03:54:37 <Jake_M> nah they're going under man
Aug 18 03:55:17 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD: retweet me plz
Aug 18 03:55:21 <oil> PatrickC: mention highlighting/beeping doesnt work
Aug 18 03:55:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> absolutely fxspec06
Aug 18 03:55:27 <oil> so if he isnt looking he wont see that lol
Aug 18 03:55:28 <Tibfib> no retweet me! retweet me!
Aug 18 03:55:32 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 18 03:55:36 <PatrickC> oil: lol
Aug 18 03:55:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> done
Aug 18 03:55:38 <fxspec06> no i want to get this thread noticed
Aug 18 03:55:47 <Tibfib> fxspec06: what are you referring to?
Aug 18 03:55:55 <dwc-> IGNTNUNLMTD: where do you find your build #?
Aug 18 03:55:56 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/site-feedback/291720-how-your-experience-here-pre-central.html
Aug 18 03:56:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> in Device Info
Aug 18 03:56:20 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/104020936197550080
Aug 18 03:56:36 <Jake_M> theres like 4 convos going on
Aug 18 03:56:38 <dwc-> mine just says HP webOS 2.1.0 ?
Aug 18 03:56:40 <Jake_M> and i cannot understand you people
Aug 18 03:56:54 <dwc-> (unlocked gsm pre2)
Aug 18 03:56:58 <rwatkins> never read the precentral forums to begin with - huge amount of uninformed noise.
Aug 18 03:57:09 <dwc-> kinda like irc!
Aug 18 03:57:12 * Tibfib googles his app names every once in a while to help out
Aug 18 03:57:18 <Tibfib> that's about it.
Aug 18 03:57:44 <Tibfib> hmmm, I just used google to refer to a site search.
Aug 18 03:57:48 <dwc-> IGNTNUNLMTD: also, per vzw's upgrade notes, it'll either prompt you to upgrade, or you can trigger it yourself
Aug 18 03:58:05 <fxspec06> rwatkins: it's got a ton of info on it, and there's lots of ppl that use it that are smart and are enjoyable that you can't really find elsewhere
Aug 18 03:58:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it said it WILL upgrade it when I plug it in next
Aug 18 03:58:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I will NOT be held hostage by an OTA update
Aug 18 03:58:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 18 03:58:29 <Tibfib> you tell em IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 18 03:58:30 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 18 03:58:41 <Jake_M> i feel like there was some tool
Aug 18 03:58:43 <Jake_M> back in like
Aug 18 03:58:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> mostly because sconix' stuff is not yet compatible
Aug 18 03:58:44 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD is a go getta
Aug 18 03:58:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and that's scary
Aug 18 03:58:54 <Jake_M> forever ago that stopped OTA
Aug 18 03:58:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I can't live without sconix patches
Aug 18 03:59:02 <rwatkins> fxspec06: forums are endlessly timeconsumign to keep up with just to get solid info.  i have my limit at the dev forums @palm.
Aug 18 03:59:18 <Jake_M> http://twitter.com/#!/therealsconix/status/103944162168152064
Aug 18 03:59:29 <fxspec06> lol ya, i have my limit everywhere. threshold is not very high, ever
Aug 18 03:59:33 <rwatkins> and even there there is a certain level of stupid I dont wnat to put up with.
Aug 18 03:59:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Jake_M: \o/
Aug 18 03:59:46 * Tibfib hates forums too
Aug 18 03:59:58 <Tibfib> IRC is the bst.
Aug 18 03:59:59 <Jake_M> what does that mean
Aug 18 04:00:04 <Tibfib> it is also the best.
Aug 18 04:00:11 <dwc-> IGNTNUNLMTD: guess this is wrong then? http://support.vzw.com/pdf/system_update/pre2_instructions.pdf
Aug 18 04:00:20 <rwatkins> "@font-face doesnt seem to be working?" like search!  makes me wanna just shoot them.
Aug 18 04:01:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dwc-: We'll see. If I wake up tomorrow and my Pre2 doesn't know it's own name, it will have been infected by the Taint of Verizon
Aug 18 04:01:51 <dwc-> lol...
Aug 18 04:02:18 <dwc-> it'd be pretty rude of them to upgrade your dvice without letting you confirm
Aug 18 04:02:36 <Jake_M> well i mean
Aug 18 04:02:43 <Jake_M> upgrades are USUALLY good
Aug 18 04:02:44 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 18 04:02:46 <dwc-> though, I guess windows and mac and chrome do that
Aug 18 04:02:53 <dwc-> unless you configure them not to
Aug 18 04:02:55 <fxspec06> not my windows
Aug 18 04:03:00 <dwc-> not mine either
Aug 18 04:03:18 <fxspec06> windows 7 made it easier to turn off
Aug 18 04:03:20 <rwatkins> which is why so much of the world is stuck on IE6.
Aug 18 04:03:22 <fxspec06> for the first time in history
Aug 18 04:03:28 <dwc-> no, win7 made it worse, imo
Aug 18 04:03:36 <dwc-> it keeps telling me I have potential security problems
Aug 18 04:03:36 <fxspec06> vista was worse
Aug 18 04:03:43 <dwc-> because I have it set to download only
Aug 18 04:03:44 <Jake_M> you can turn off that
Aug 18 04:03:46 <Jake_M> i did
Aug 18 04:03:52 <dwc-> I skipped vista
Aug 18 04:03:54 <Jake_M> in Action Center
Aug 18 04:03:57 <Tibfib> WELL YOU BETTER FIX IT!
Aug 18 04:04:00 <fxspec06> yeah action center
Aug 18 04:04:05 <fxspec06> where nobody gets any
Aug 18 04:04:12 <fxspec06> -.-
Aug 18 04:04:14 <Tibfib> http://instantrimshot.com
Aug 18 04:04:15 <dwc-> where's that
Aug 18 04:04:24 <Jake_M> bottom right
Aug 18 04:04:26 <Jake_M> the Flag icon
Aug 18 04:04:29 <Jake_M> click that and go to Security
Aug 18 04:04:34 <Jake_M> turn off messages about Windows Update
Aug 18 04:04:39 <Jake_M> mines currently not monitoring
Aug 18 04:04:44 <dwc-> oh, score
Aug 18 04:04:47 <dwc-> thanks!
Aug 18 04:04:50 <Jake_M> ye
Aug 18 04:04:54 <Jake_M> tibfib is my favorite
Aug 18 04:05:16 <Tibfib> I better be
Aug 18 04:05:30 <Tibfib> although I will accept second, only to the illustrious rwhitby
Aug 18 04:05:35 <dwc-> and I can turn off the "no antivirus" warning too
Aug 18 04:05:52 <Jake_M> who is first for rwhitby
Aug 18 04:05:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> someone make an instant rimshot app for webOS
Aug 18 04:06:03 <Jake_M> there is one
Aug 18 04:06:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> is it pretty?
Aug 18 04:06:11 <Jake_M> it has like sadtrombone and shit
Aug 18 04:06:12 <Jake_M> no
Aug 18 04:06:13 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 18 04:06:15 <Tibfib> instantNOMNOMNOM
Aug 18 04:06:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yuck
Aug 18 04:06:18 <Tibfib> that's my next app
Aug 18 04:06:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: YES
Aug 18 04:06:41 <Tibfib> I am totally making an instant rimshot app
Aug 18 04:06:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I would pay $1.50 for a gorgeous instant rimshot app with no farts
Aug 18 04:06:49 <Jake_M> because its so hard
Aug 18 04:06:49 <Tibfib> No alternate sounds
Aug 18 04:06:50 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 18 04:06:51 <Tibfib> just a rimshot
Aug 18 04:06:53 <Tibfib> gorgeous
Aug 18 04:06:56 <Tibfib> I'll get dan to help me out
Aug 18 04:06:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously
Aug 18 04:07:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do it
Aug 18 04:07:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I would pay
Aug 18 04:07:07 <Tibfib> heh, it'd be free
Aug 18 04:07:14 <Jake_M> charge 20 dollars
Aug 18 04:07:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hell, I'd COMMISSION it
Aug 18 04:07:21 <Tibfib> how much we talking?
Aug 18 04:07:23 <dwc-> kickstarter?
Aug 18 04:07:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: name your price
Aug 18 04:07:34 <Jake_M> say 20
Aug 18 04:07:38 <pigsflew> lol
Aug 18 04:07:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> don't say 20
Aug 18 04:07:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 18 04:07:42 * Tibfib imagines blog post "You know I was thinking, there are no quality rimshot apps out there."
Aug 18 04:07:48 <pigsflew> that is fantastic
Aug 18 04:07:50 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: $5
Aug 18 04:07:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> exactly
Aug 18 04:07:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> done
Aug 18 04:07:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> DONE.
Aug 18 04:07:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> DEAL.
Aug 18 04:08:03 <Tibfib> okay, I'll email dan and ask him :)
Aug 18 04:08:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I hereby commission you to make an instant rimshot app that is gorgeous.
Aug 18 04:09:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you can send me your paypal info by email
Aug 18 04:09:14 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: find me a sound file
Aug 18 04:09:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> k
Aug 18 04:09:42 <Jake_M> http://instantrimshot.com/audio/rimshot.mp3
Aug 18 04:09:50 <Tibfib> dunno its license
Aug 18 04:09:55 <Tibfib> gotta make sure I'm legal to use it
Aug 18 04:10:00 <Jake_M> make your own
Aug 18 04:10:03 <Jake_M> studio record
Aug 18 04:10:06 <Tibfib> lolz.
Aug 18 04:10:08 <Jake_M> pay 200 dollars per hour to use a studio
Aug 18 04:10:11 <Tibfib> again, find me a sound file
Aug 18 04:10:15 <Jake_M> spend 3 hours perfecting the sound
Aug 18 04:10:24 <Tibfib> profit!
Aug 18 04:10:26 <Jake_M> dude you gotta go all out on this
Aug 18 04:10:55 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: and if you can find a nomnomnom sound, that'd be the only other alternate sound I'd add
Aug 18 04:11:18 <Jake_M> theres a funny one of a guy saying it in Garrys Mod 2
Aug 18 04:11:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I could RECORD that while eating the 25 pounds of gummy worms at the office
Aug 18 04:11:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 18 04:11:34 <Jake_M> eugh, disgusting
Aug 18 04:11:36 <Tibfib> hahaah
Aug 18 04:11:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it was a Woot sale
Aug 18 04:11:47 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 18 04:11:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 93% off 5lbs bags
Aug 18 04:11:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so we bought 5
Aug 18 04:11:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lulz
Aug 18 04:11:59 <oil> lol
Aug 18 04:12:03 <Tibfib> w00t ftw
Aug 18 04:12:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> $1 a piece
Aug 18 04:12:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> \o/
Aug 18 04:12:26 <dwc-> it's 30kb, can you just use it off the website and cache it locally?
Aug 18 04:12:48 <dwc-> hah. I saw that sale.
Aug 18 04:12:51 <fxspec06> damn, i wanna mek that app
Aug 18 04:12:54 * dwc- had no use for 5lb of worms
Aug 18 04:12:58 <fxspec06> but screw it i'll let tib make it
Aug 18 04:13:05 <fxspec06> i'm too tired to make an app right now
Aug 18 04:13:08 <fxspec06> i need bet
Aug 18 04:13:09 <fxspec06> bed*
Aug 18 04:13:10 <dwc-> you should make competing ones
Aug 18 04:13:15 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 18 04:13:15 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 18 04:13:23 <Jake_M> mine will be better
Aug 18 04:13:28 <fxspec06> jake will use ares
Aug 18 04:13:31 <fxspec06> i'll use mojo
Aug 18 04:13:32 <Jake_M> yeah
Aug 18 04:13:33 <Tibfib> so it'll be slow!
Aug 18 04:13:34 <Jake_M> i'll use ares
Aug 18 04:13:34 <fxspec06> and tib will use enyo
Aug 18 04:13:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
Aug 18 04:13:40 <Jake_M> it'll have *500* different sounds
Aug 18 04:13:45 <Jake_M> all variations of a rimshot
Aug 18 04:13:47 <Tibfib> Jake_M: BLOATWARE
Aug 18 04:13:48 <PatrickC> YEAH! my touchpad will be here friday!!!!!
Aug 18 04:13:50 * Tibfib WINS WINS
Aug 18 04:13:50 <Jake_M> techno rimshot, jazz drumset
Aug 18 04:13:52 <Jake_M> WAT
Aug 18 04:13:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wait... what platform will this be for, Tibfib?
Aug 18 04:13:58 <Jake_M> you call my apps bloatware
Aug 18 04:14:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Enyo or Mojo?
Aug 18 04:14:06 <fxspec06> mine will have one sound, but it will be an amazing sound
Aug 18 04:14:07 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: enyo, touchpad
Aug 18 04:14:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah, k
Aug 18 04:14:14 <fxspec06> i'll have my friend andrew record it
Aug 18 04:14:15 <Tibfib> fxspec06: not if I get that sound first
Aug 18 04:14:22 <Tibfib> andrew likes me better.
Aug 18 04:14:22 <fxspec06> a REAL drummer
Aug 18 04:14:28 <Jake_M> yeah i'll get my friend to record it
Aug 18 04:14:37 <fxspec06> i'll get travis barker to record it!
Aug 18 04:14:40 <Jake_M> MY APPS ARE NOT BLOATWARE
Aug 18 04:14:50 <Tibfib> fxspec06: but seriously, if you want to get him to record that and send it over, that'd be awesome
Aug 18 04:14:58 <Tibfib> Jake_M: only your 500 sound rimshot app
Aug 18 04:15:02 <fxspec06> lol i'll send him a FB message
Aug 18 04:15:08 <Jake_M> its better than your 1 sound rimshot app
Aug 18 04:15:19 <PatrickC> singmajesty: ping
Aug 18 04:15:33 <Tibfib> I bet I'll get a lot of support emails, "Can you add _____ sound?"
Aug 18 04:15:37 <Jake_M> you will
Aug 18 04:15:39 <Tibfib> My response. "No thanks."
Aug 18 04:16:08 * Tibfib names it "Badoomp skshhhh"
Aug 18 04:16:11 <fxspec06> k cool, i'll let you know when he responds
Aug 18 04:16:32 <Tibfib> just kidding, I'll wait for rwhitby to come up with a good name
Aug 18 04:17:48 <Jake_M> we didn't decide who is first in rwhitby's book
Aug 18 04:17:50 <Jake_M> if you're second
Aug 18 04:17:56 <Jake_M> oil, jauder, or puffthemagic
Aug 18 04:18:01 <Tibfib> no, I'm second TO rwhitby
Aug 18 04:18:15 <Jake_M> to who
Aug 18 04:18:20 <Tibfib> you
Aug 18 04:18:24 <Jake_M> bullshit
Aug 18 04:18:36 <Jake_M> rod doesn't live in america
Aug 18 04:18:43 <Tibfib> oh, yeah, he doesn't count.
Aug 18 04:18:49 <Tibfib> well tehn
Aug 18 04:19:00 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: so I'm thinking about replacing the +, refresh, and settings  icon when you are viewing a feed
Aug 18 04:19:00 <Jake_M> we need an #americawebOS
Aug 18 04:19:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: with what?
Aug 18 04:19:16 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: do you find yourself using them while reading a feed?
Aug 18 04:19:19 <fxspec06> ok i'm going to bed
Aug 18 04:19:24 <Jake_M> later
Aug 18 04:19:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> night fxspec06
Aug 18 04:19:29 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: feed options, "Mark all read", a progress bar
Aug 18 04:19:41 <Tibfib> err, IGNTNUNLMTD: feed options: "Mark all read", a progress bar
Aug 18 04:19:44 <fxspec06> later guys. i need a weekend off soon
Aug 18 04:20:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: yeah, or at least give the option to choose which set of controls to use
Aug 18 04:20:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I want to see and try what you just said, though
Aug 18 04:20:35 <Tibfib> I don't want a ton of options
Aug 18 04:20:39 <Tibfib> don't want to be windows
Aug 18 04:20:58 <Tibfib> the only icon you MIGHT access from the article view is settings
Aug 18 04:21:04 <Tibfib> refresh does nothing visible
Aug 18 04:21:09 <Tibfib> adding a feed can wait
Aug 18 04:21:47 <Jake_M> you should make it when you refresh, it makes a giant flash and plays this loud sound
Aug 18 04:21:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good point
Aug 18 04:21:56 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 04:22:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I got you a Creative Commons sound, btw
Aug 18 04:22:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> in FLAC format
Aug 18 04:22:20 <Tibfib> but flac doesn't work on webOS
Aug 18 04:22:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> want me to do the conversion, or do you?
Aug 18 04:22:31 <Tibfib> oh, if you can, that'd be great
Aug 18 04:22:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> will do
Aug 18 04:22:47 <Tibfib> awesome, thanks
Aug 18 04:22:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> to what format?
Aug 18 04:22:53 <pigsflew> I have discovered something important today
Aug 18 04:23:00 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: eh, whatever. mp3 or wav
Aug 18 04:23:03 <pigsflew> the Doctor's sonic paper responds to RFID
Aug 18 04:23:11 <dwc-> mencoder -ao ...
Aug 18 04:23:14 <Tibfib> wav is probably higher quality, I think
Aug 18 04:23:17 <pigsflew> s/sonic/psychic/
Aug 18 04:25:28 <kesne> Is PuffTheMagic here?
Aug 18 04:25:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: check yo' mail
Aug 18 04:25:41 <Tibfib> thanks
Aug 18 04:26:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> got a paypal?
Aug 18 04:26:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if so, send me the address
Aug 18 04:26:58 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD, pay me once I finish it
Aug 18 04:27:04 <Tibfib> not before
Aug 18 04:27:19 <Tibfib> I gotta make sure dan's on board :)
Aug 18 04:27:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah k
Aug 18 04:28:50 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: got a link to the file page? for info on the creative commons license?
Aug 18 04:29:01 <PuffTheMagic> kesne, no
Aug 18 04:29:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://beta.freesound.org/people/Babij/sounds/115813/
Aug 18 04:29:08 <PuffTheMagic> my nick is just in the list
Aug 18 04:29:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: Sampling Plus 1.0 license
Aug 18 04:29:33 <kesne> Damn, I was going to brag about sales numbers
Aug 18 04:29:55 <PuffTheMagic> tool
Aug 18 04:30:01 <Tibfib> thanks IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 18 04:30:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> np
Aug 18 04:30:09 * PuffTheMagic goes back to wirc-enyo dev
Aug 18 04:30:35 <kesne> Anybody here use winre?
Aug 18 04:30:56 <PatrickC> winre?
Aug 18 04:31:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Jake_M, are you Jakeeeee on P|C?
Aug 18 04:32:34 <kesne> Oops, I mean weinre
Aug 18 04:32:37 <Tibfib> you know, I would add a "boom, roasted" sound to the rimshot app
Aug 18 04:32:43 <Tibfib> too bad I can't legally
Aug 18 04:32:51 <Jake_M> yes
Aug 18 04:33:24 <kesne> Tibfib: It's only illegal if you get caught.
Aug 18 04:33:35 <kesne> Jake_M: Nobody likes you
Aug 18 04:33:37 <Tibfib> bah. have some integrity kesne
Aug 18 04:33:41 <Jake_M> why not
Aug 18 04:33:46 <kesne> Haha, integrity...
Aug 18 04:34:06 <Tibfib> kesne: some day you'll learn what that word means
Aug 18 04:34:08 <Tibfib> it's a big one
Aug 18 04:34:09 <Tibfib> ;)
Aug 18 04:34:21 <kesne> Haha, I just choose not to have integrity
Aug 18 04:34:21 <Jake_M> why not
Aug 18 04:34:25 <kesne> Or morals.
Aug 18 04:34:46 <Jake_M> WHY NOT
Aug 18 04:34:58 <kesne> But hey, whatever gets the ladies.
Aug 18 04:35:10 <Tibfib> got that right
Aug 18 04:36:00 <Jake_M> igntunlmtd
Aug 18 04:36:01 <Jake_M> what
Aug 18 04:36:41 <rwhitby> Tibfib: Rimshaht
Aug 18 04:36:51 <Tibfib> BOOM
Aug 18 04:37:07 <Tibfib> it's official
Aug 18 04:37:39 <rwhitby> my work here is done
Aug 18 04:37:41 * rwhitby bbl
Aug 18 04:37:47 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 18 04:37:47 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 18 04:37:52 <Tibfib_> goodnight everyone
Aug 18 04:38:33 <Jake_M>  BYE
Aug 18 04:38:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Jake_M: your "ok" post made me snort water that I was drinking
Aug 18 04:38:41 <Jake_M> lolol
Aug 18 04:38:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I laughed so hard
Aug 18 04:38:45 <Jake_M> thats all i could think
Aug 18 04:38:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
Aug 18 04:38:52 <Tibfib_> link?
Aug 18 04:39:03 <Jake_M> oh god hold on
Aug 18 04:40:07 <Shadyman1> Jake_M: TWSS?
Aug 18 04:40:19 <Jake_M> what
Aug 18 04:40:46 <Jake_M> yo
Aug 18 04:40:49 <Jake_M> they deleted that thread
Aug 18 04:40:51 <Jake_M> the one i said ok in
Aug 18 04:41:16 <Tibfib_> aww,
Aug 18 04:41:19 <Tibfib_> cyaa
Aug 18 04:41:21 <Jake_M> no wait
Aug 18 04:41:26 <Jake_M> well its not as funny if it ell you
Aug 18 04:41:26 <Tibfib_> AND I"M BACK
Aug 18 04:41:28 <Jake_M> nevermind bye
Aug 18 04:41:33 <Tibfib_> byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeee
Aug 18 04:54:24 <Jake_M> can any of you help this guy
Aug 18 04:54:25 <Jake_M> http://twitter.com/#!/GFS/status/104051165964156928
Aug 18 04:55:42 <pigsflew_> hm... i don't think that would be a very good idea, but i'd point him at metadoctor
Aug 18 04:55:56 <pigsflew_> to get up to date using his device's info
Aug 18 04:57:23 <pigsflew> the only gsm device i've ever owned is my pre2, which is now a frankenpre2 on sprint, so not so much gsm anymore
Aug 18 05:09:38 <NuttyBunny_TP> Anyone else has problems with flash and the Touchpad losing audio? It has done it twice today. Annoying
Aug 18 05:13:50 <PatrickC> Adora might know
Aug 18 05:14:05 <Adora> probably not
Aug 18 05:14:32 <PatrickC> <NuttyBunny_TP> Anyone else has problems with flash and the Touchpad losing audio? It has done it twice today. Annoying
Aug 18 05:25:30 <pigsflew> I've had it happen once or twice in the last two months, not more than that
Aug 18 05:26:21 <pigsflew> and, I also wrote a script which monkeys around with asound, so while it's unlikely, it could be my own tinkering at fault
Aug 18 05:26:54 <pigsflew> (and as for flash, i loves me some youtube on this thing)
Aug 18 05:27:35 * PatrickC mumbles at microsoft
Aug 18 05:27:42 <PatrickC> their support is terrible
Aug 18 05:28:14 <oil> unless you pay for it
Aug 18 05:28:56 <CTLAdvance> They roll out the red carpet when you pay
Aug 18 05:30:33 <PatrickC> their student programs are suppose to be for homeschoolers too, but they don't have a way for homeschoolers to sign up..
Aug 18 05:34:45 <dwc-> why are you using flash for youtube... isn't there a youtube app?
Aug 18 05:35:18 <PatrickC> not on the tp
Aug 18 05:35:27 <dwc-> really? that's lame
Aug 18 05:36:11 <CTLAdvance> did PatC get a tp finally?
Aug 18 05:36:19 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: FRIDAY! :D
Aug 18 05:37:36 * CTLAdvance looks to update to 64gb touchpad 4g
Aug 18 05:37:39 * CTLAdvance sighs
Aug 18 05:37:54 <CTLAdvance> AGH! I NEED A 4G touchpad ..... ugh
Aug 18 05:38:54 <PatrickC> I'll have a 3g touchpad on friday
Aug 18 05:40:09 <CTLAdvance> no you will have a wifi touchpad using a tether
Aug 18 05:40:14 <CTLAdvance> not a touchpad on 3G
Aug 18 05:40:15 <CTLAdvance> :)
Aug 18 05:40:23 <PatrickC> yep :)
Aug 18 05:40:49 <CTLAdvance> did I mention that I hate tethering? :) I guess I am picky
Aug 18 05:41:07 <CTLAdvance> now to figure out what to spend this 50 dollars on
Aug 18 05:43:45 <rwhitby> easy, 50 copies of Preware Homebrew Documentatio
Aug 18 05:43:48 <rwhitby> n
Aug 18 05:48:18 <DraX> i'd really like a time machine with which i could spend some quality time with the IMAP committee
Aug 18 05:48:22 <DraX> and a club bat
Aug 18 05:48:25 <DraX> s/club/clue/
Aug 18 05:50:12 <DraX> that's a LART for the old, and a ban hammer for the young :P
Aug 18 05:52:51 <PatrickC> :/ there are only illegal torrents of win 8.. I wanted official.. I guess no win8 for me yet..
Aug 18 05:54:56 <dwc-> and what faults are you finding with imap at the moment
Aug 18 05:54:56 <dwc-> 21:20 < Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: eh, whatever. mp3 or wav
Aug 18 05:54:59 <dwc-> oops
Aug 18 05:56:11 <DraX> annoying to parse quasi-sexp responses, untagged responses getting in the way of implementing an async client easily, UIDVALIDITY
Aug 18 05:57:07 <PatrickC> night all
Aug 18 05:59:04 <dwc-> doesn't that just mean you need to be able to accept certain commands at any time?
Aug 18 05:59:11 <dwc-> if you didn't have them, it'd be almost synchronous?
Aug 18 06:02:05 <kesne> twbbas_: you around?
Aug 18 06:03:04 <DraX> it's bad enough that few attempt to write libraries for it. I can't find an ocaml or haskell library at all
Aug 18 06:08:36 <dwc-> tbh, that unrelated stuff is what makes imap that much better than pop
Aug 18 06:09:07 <dwc-> otherwise you'd have to keep polling for certain things
Aug 18 06:09:27 <DraX> well you end up doing that anyway
Aug 18 06:09:37 <DraX> since IDLE doesn't notify about flag changes
Aug 18 06:09:52 <dwc-> and your different clients would see different views of the inbox
Aug 18 06:10:01 <dwc-> flag changes, imo aren't a big thing to need to be up to date all the time
Aug 18 06:10:11 <DraX> gmail app on android for example uses IMAP for the actual messages, but syncs using a seperate protocol
Aug 18 06:10:12 <dwc-> unlike, deleted messages, new messages, etc
Aug 18 06:10:24 <DraX> because actually snycing with imap is _really_ hard to do correctly for a large set of messages
Aug 18 06:10:37 <DraX> and you could implement tagged IDLE responses
Aug 18 06:11:03 <dwc-> IDLE was not part of the original rfc, iirc
Aug 18 06:11:14 <dwc-> it was added reasonably later
Aug 18 06:12:02 <DraX> but untagged responses are in the original rfc
Aug 18 06:12:09 <DraX> SELECT is untagged
Aug 18 06:12:13 <dwc-> yea...
Aug 18 06:12:35 <dwc-> the untagged responses get you a lot of the interactivity without continual polling
Aug 18 06:12:43 <dwc-> (without having the idle extension)
Aug 18 06:12:52 <DraX> how?
Aug 18 06:13:00 <DraX> without IDLE it won't update on new messages
Aug 18 06:13:26 <DraX> you have to issue a SELECT to get new message notifications without using IDLE
Aug 18 06:13:39 <dwc-> won't it? can't you get untagged exists
Aug 18 06:13:40 <DraX> well you odn't get new message notifications
Aug 18 06:13:51 <DraX> exists/select have to be called
Aug 18 06:13:52 <dwc-> or recent
Aug 18 06:13:53 <DraX> to get the response
Aug 18 06:13:59 <DraX> which is polling
Aug 18 06:14:14 <DraX> unsolicited responses will only come with IDLE
Aug 18 06:14:35 <dwc-> hmm, I thought those came mixed in with the other stuff
Aug 18 06:14:47 <DraX> they do, if you ask for them :)
Aug 18 06:14:55 <DraX> or have IDLE on
Aug 18 06:15:28 <dwc-> I thought if you retrieved a message, you could get the unrelated changes
Aug 18 06:15:57 <dwc-> I haven't had to deal with imap proto stuff in awhile
Aug 18 06:16:07 <DraX> i've not seen at least gmail imap do that
Aug 18 06:16:54 <dwc-> I'm not that fond of gmail imap, tbh
Aug 18 06:17:46 <DraX> gmail is a mismatch for imap
Aug 18 06:17:52 <dwc-> mutt and tbird often seemed to have issues... message statuses aren't handled all that well, because of the way they work in gmail-on-the-web... "folder"/label support... well...
Aug 18 06:18:20 <DraX> the better way to deal with gmail imap is to use the gmail extensions
Aug 18 06:18:30 <DraX> SELECT "All Mail'
Aug 18 06:18:37 <DraX> and fetch for (X-GM-LABELS)
Aug 18 06:18:49 <DraX> and forget about trying to deal with the folders
Aug 18 06:20:02 <dwc-> yea, but who wants to write a whole special imap handler just for gmail
Aug 18 06:20:18 <DraX> people who only care about gmail
Aug 18 06:20:18 <dwc-> that's supposed to be half the point to using a standard like imap ...
Aug 18 06:20:59 <DraX> i like gmails approach to email, just not necessairly the web client
Aug 18 06:21:54 <dwc-> I like parts of it... for webmail, gmail is pretty good
Aug 18 06:22:42 <dwc-> the filters is weak, the search is weak (isn't google a search company?), the spam filter isn't bad, but isn't really trainable, so if it likes to eat your mail, you're screwed
Aug 18 06:23:02 <dwc-> the labels paradigm ... well, doesn't work with imap
Aug 18 06:23:40 <dwc-> I prefer threads to conversations
Aug 18 06:24:34 <DraX> i do prefer full threading
Aug 18 06:24:38 <DraX> instead of the flat-threads/conversations
Aug 18 06:25:48 <dwc-> I make it work for some stuff, but I just can't make it my primary email
Aug 18 06:26:51 <DraX> i have a truncated message in my gmail account
Aug 18 06:27:05 <DraX> it ends with Message-ID: <X[20\r\n\r\n
Aug 18 06:29:57 <dwc-> oh yea, gmail on the web also annoys me with its [message truncated] and its reconversationing every 100, and it's --show quoted text-- that hides different text
Aug 18 06:30:57 <DraX> the reconversationing centrithreads that i've muted is highly annoying
Aug 18 09:25:25 <tomhut> morning all
Aug 18 11:36:54 <tomhut> omnomnomnomnomnomnom
Aug 18 12:17:09 <tabasko> morning and evening :)
Aug 18 12:38:33 <tomhut> Hey
Aug 18 12:48:16 <tomhut> hey IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 18 12:48:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 'morning
Aug 18 12:48:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> how are ya'?
Aug 18 12:48:43 <tomhut> good thanks, in sqlhell though :P
Aug 18 12:48:46 <tomhut> yourself?
Aug 18 12:49:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not bad, just got to work, not in sqlhell... in Drupal hell
Aug 18 12:49:09 <tomhut> haha
Aug 18 12:49:25 <tomhut> writing a bunch of json apis today
Aug 18 12:53:12 <tomhut> and wondering if i should hold off for a 1.5ghz touchpad
Aug 18 12:55:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> why, when you can get one now?
Aug 18 12:55:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> mine's 1.5
Aug 18 12:56:03 <tomhut> which one?
Aug 18 12:56:33 <tomhut> though only the 64gb & '4g' ones where
Aug 18 12:57:06 <NuttyBunny_TP> hey all :-)
Aug 18 12:57:19 <tomhut> hey NuttyBunny_TP
Aug 18 12:57:30 <NuttyBunny_TP> They all can do 1.5Ghz
Aug 18 12:57:43 <tomhut> overclocking?
Aug 18 12:58:23 <tomhut> same die used in the 1.2 and 1.5ghz variants just clocked diferently?
Aug 18 12:59:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> exactly
Aug 18 12:59:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same exact proc
Aug 18 12:59:31 <tomhut> whats the procedure for over clocking? (in a nutshell)
Aug 18 12:59:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> install Preware, install Govnah, install your kernel of choice, profit.
Aug 18 13:00:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's just a bunch of taps
Aug 18 13:00:20 <tomhut> very nice
Aug 18 13:00:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no coding or command line stuff required
Aug 18 13:00:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> at all
Aug 18 13:00:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> all UI-based
Aug 18 13:00:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> couldn't be easier
Aug 18 13:00:34 <tomhut> surprised
Aug 18 13:01:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Yep, and webOS Internals makes it all possible
Aug 18 13:01:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so it's worth donating: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/291652-webos-internals-web-thon-2011-lets-show-our-love.html
Aug 18 13:01:43 <tomhut> Yes, great bunch of people
Aug 18 13:02:38 <tomhut> will send a donation their way
Aug 18 13:16:09 <matbee> what is upppp
Aug 18 13:23:58 <Hendikins> Heh, showed my TouchPad to an iFad owner tonight, who reckoned that if it was available when he got his device he would have bought one of these instead.
Aug 18 13:24:30 <tomhut> haha
Aug 18 13:25:10 <rwatkins> too bad the software was not nearly up to snuff when the iPad was released a year and a half ago.
Aug 18 13:27:39 <tomhut> Hopefully catalogue of apps will start growing soon
Aug 18 13:28:13 <Hendikins> I was very upfront about that.
Aug 18 13:29:19 <Hendikins> But WebOS (and homebrew!) really impressed them.
Aug 18 13:30:14 <Hendikins> (Went for coffee with about half a dozen friends/contacts)
Aug 18 13:31:36 <Hendikins> We had 3 tablets there _
Aug 18 13:32:00 <PuffTheMagic> wirc-enyo is shaping up nice
Aug 18 13:32:08 <Hendikins> One each Android/WebOS/iOS.
Aug 18 13:33:22 <tomhut> what did people think
Aug 18 13:33:34 <tomhut> compared with the iPad and Android tab
Aug 18 13:44:27 <Hendikins> tomhut: They love the way WebOS works, as well as the fact it is so simple to do homebrew if you want.
Aug 18 13:44:55 <Hendikins> And even though it isn't production quality, the X11 + Ubuntu chroot raised eyebrows.
Aug 18 13:46:23 <tomhut> Hendikins: glad to hear
Aug 18 13:47:25 <Hendikins> Which reminds me, should really send a few simoleons towards WebOS Internals.
Aug 18 13:47:48 <tomhut> haha, been a while since Iv heard that word used.
Aug 18 13:48:07 <Hendikins> Should I say a few quid instead?
Aug 18 13:48:48 <twbbas> That awkward moment when I haven't worn my retainer for the past year and I just put it in 2 hrs before an orthodontist appointment.
Aug 18 13:49:10 <tomhut> Hendikins: Not at all! Brought back memories of a mis-spent childhood. Raising families and then killing them all leaving to grieve.
Aug 18 13:49:38 <tomhut> *killing them and leaving one to grieve.
Aug 18 13:49:49 <tomhut> I played the sims like a sick and twisted serial killer.
Aug 18 13:52:05 <summatusmentis> twbbas: I have a tendency to do that for flossing
Aug 18 13:52:19 <twbbas> lol
Aug 18 13:52:45 <twbbas> I don't even understand why I'm still going to this orthodontist
Aug 18 13:52:57 <twbbas> I haven't had braces for like 4 years yet he keeps telling me to come back every summer
Aug 18 13:52:57 <tomhut> twbbas: do you enjoy the pain?
Aug 18 13:53:01 <twbbas> NO
Aug 18 13:53:28 <tomhut> :P
Aug 18 13:53:43 <twbbas> I get my wisdom teeth out next week :S
Aug 18 13:53:54 <twbbas> That'll be fun
Aug 18 13:55:04 <tomhut> twbbas: some of mine have come/starting to come through, need to see the dentist to make sure its ok
Aug 18 13:55:11 <summatusmentis> mine weren't bad when I got them out
Aug 18 13:55:34 <summatusmentis> didn't even fill the fun drug perscription
Aug 18 13:55:48 <twbbas> My childhood consisted of my baby teeth being pulled
Aug 18 13:55:53 <tomhut> Day they started to really hurt I had a presentation at fruit int in the morning, was great timing.
Aug 18 13:55:55 <twbbas> I only lost 2-3 teeth naturally
Aug 18 13:56:14 <tomhut> *inc
Aug 18 13:56:19 <twbbas> lol
Aug 18 13:57:06 <twbbas> My wisdom teeth don't hurt yet, we're just trying to squeeze it in before I head back to college for the year
Aug 18 13:57:59 <summatusmentis> yeah, mine didn't either when I had them out.
Aug 18 14:04:14 <fxspec06_> oh no............
Aug 18 14:04:31 <tomhut> fxspec06_: oh no?
Aug 18 14:04:31 <fxspec06_> i'm extremely sad right now.
Aug 18 14:04:39 <tomhut> fxspec06_: why :(
Aug 18 14:05:05 <fxspec06_> i put in notes that my update was 1.4.5 compatible. i couldn't check the box. and now it's only 2.x.
Aug 18 14:05:17 <fxspec06_> my entire 1.4.5 userbase is now excluded
Aug 18 14:05:18 <tomhut> aww
Aug 18 14:05:21 <fxspec06_> ='(
Aug 18 14:05:30 <fxspec06_> and it runs perfectly
Aug 18 14:05:35 <fxspec06_> I PUT AT THE TOP OF NOTES
Aug 18 14:05:55 <fxspec06_> **IMPORTANT** -- For some reason, I was unable to select minimum OS version of 1.4.5. This app was designed to support 1.4.5 from the very beginning, and has been tested and DOES in fact run on all Pre / Pre + 1.4.5 devices. Please make sure that this update pushes to those users!
Aug 18 14:06:18 <summatusmentis> ping AD
Aug 18 14:06:22 <summatusmentis> umm
Aug 18 14:06:23 <fxspec06_> but nope......... 2.x only. i have important users on 1.4.5 with this game, and they should get this update
Aug 18 14:06:25 <summatusmentis> ping Adora
Aug 18 14:06:38 <fxspec06_> Adora: ping
Aug 18 14:06:58 <summatusmentis> dude, she's not here right now
Aug 18 14:07:11 <fxspec06_> lol
Aug 18 14:07:34 <fxspec06_> i just woke up, still fuzzy right now. not a good way to start the day
Aug 18 14:07:51 * fxspec06_ inhales, exhales, repeats....
Aug 18 14:14:40 <twbbas> It's like 7AM CA time
Aug 18 14:14:40 <singmajesty> Why couldn't you choose 1.4.5?
Aug 18 14:14:47 <singmajesty> 7:12 :)
Aug 18 14:14:57 <twbbas> fxspec06_: Did you package it with the use V1 flag?
Aug 18 14:15:06 <fxspec06_> i have no idea. every update before it was 1.4.5 compatible
Aug 18 14:15:27 <fxspec06_> twbbas what's that
Aug 18 14:15:28 <twbbas> fxspec06_: Did you add something 2.x or 3.x specific?
Aug 18 14:15:32 <summatusmentis> twbbas: I read that as "It's like 7AM Canada time" and was confused for a moment
Aug 18 14:15:35 <twbbas> Let me look up the flag
Aug 18 14:15:38 <fxspec06_> i don't think so
Aug 18 14:15:42 <fxspec06_> i'm 99% sure i didnt
Aug 18 14:15:51 <twbbas> You have to package is with a -- flag in order to make it 1.4.5 compatible if it uses 2.x or 3.x specific features
Aug 18 14:15:57 <twbbas> s/is/it
Aug 18 14:16:06 <twbbas> 1 sec, I'll look it up
Aug 18 14:16:16 <summatusmentis> or even if you've got a newer version of the SDK right?
Aug 18 14:16:33 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yeah, that may cause it
Aug 18 14:16:48 <fxspec06_> i palm packeged it w/ the newer version, would that do it
Aug 18 14:16:50 <Hendikins> Do we notice anything unusual in this screenshot? http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/palmprofile.png
Aug 18 14:17:18 <Hendikins> (Aside from a whole bunch of personal details blanked out)
Aug 18 14:17:32 <twbbas> fxspec06_: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/command-line-tools.html#palm-package
Aug 18 14:17:37 <twbbas> Look at --use-v1-format
Aug 18 14:17:42 <twbbas> That's what you need to package it with
Aug 18 14:17:48 <summatusmentis> Hendikins: they're using Seamonkey?
Aug 18 14:17:48 <fxspec06_> ok
Aug 18 14:18:17 <Hendikins> summatusmentis: Heh, no. My use of SeaMonkey (whilst unusual) is not the point of the screenshot.
Aug 18 14:18:38 <summatusmentis> :)
Aug 18 14:18:49 <Hendikins> I find it far more interesting that my Pre2 is showing up as "Palm Pre2 (Telstra Australia)".
Aug 18 14:19:13 <Hendikins> Given Australia is not a launch country for any phones and Telstra has never carried a WebOS device.
Aug 18 14:19:15 <summatusmentis> oh, I wouldn't know if that's odd or not
Aug 18 14:19:33 <Tibfib> anyone experienced with SSL?
Aug 18 14:19:36 <PatrickC> hey all
Aug 18 14:19:43 <Hendikins> (And the device isn't running carrier-specific firmware either)
Aug 18 14:19:48 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I use it every day :)
Aug 18 14:19:57 <summatusmentis> hi PatrickC
Aug 18 14:20:03 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: soo SSL is httpS, right?
Aug 18 14:20:22 <Hendikins> No.
Aug 18 14:20:30 * Tibfib uses SSL every day, but not from a programming perspective
Aug 18 14:20:36 <Tibfib> Hendikins: can you enlighten me?
Aug 18 14:20:44 <Hendikins> SSL is Secure Sockets Layer. HTTP is not the only thing you can use it for.
Aug 18 14:21:00 <Tibfib> ah
Aug 18 14:21:01 <summatusmentis> right, httpS uses SSL, but that's not exclusively it's use
Aug 18 14:21:03 * Hendikins uses SSL with IRC on some networks, for example.
Aug 18 14:21:04 <Loudergood> https is just http+ssl
Aug 18 14:21:21 <Loudergood> and with email
Aug 18 14:21:22 <Tibfib> so how would I go about using SSL for NomNomNom?
Aug 18 14:21:36 <singmajesty> What does NomNomNom *do*, anyway?
Aug 18 14:21:41 <Tibfib> google reader client
Aug 18 14:21:46 <singmajesty> Probably the most hype I've heard for any application without... okay
Aug 18 14:21:53 <singmajesty> (hearing about what it does) :)
Aug 18 14:22:01 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 18 14:22:06 <summatusmentis> what is does is PURE AWESOME
Aug 18 14:22:09 <summatusmentis> that's it
Aug 18 14:22:16 <Tibfib> what summatusmentis
Aug 18 14:22:16 <Loudergood> no kidding, I know who I'm hiring for marketing if I ever have the funds.
Aug 18 14:22:17 <Tibfib> said
Aug 18 14:22:22 <PatrickC> singmajesty: you get the enyo completion done?
Aug 18 14:22:37 <singmajesty> http://www.joshuagranick.com/blog/2011/08/17/style-matters-for-haxe-js-a-kitchen-sink-enyo-example/
Aug 18 14:23:04 <singmajesty> Soon, I think FlashDevelop will also have additional support for completion on generic objects
Aug 18 14:23:20 <singmajesty> So you not only will get completion for: var button = new Button (); button.caption = "Hello World"
Aug 18 14:23:38 <singmajesty> You could also get completion for: new Button ( { caption: "Hello World" } );
Aug 18 14:24:07 <Tibfib> that's awesome
Aug 18 14:24:36 <PatrickC> just downloaded the zip
Aug 18 14:24:42 <PatrickC> will try it out later :)
Aug 18 14:25:17 <Tibfib> haha. I don't think webosroundup will ever review NomNomNom, and if they do, I bet they won't like it.
Aug 18 14:25:39 <PatrickC> fxspec06_: ping
Aug 18 14:26:01 <Tibfib> developing your own apps + writing app reviews = bad
Aug 18 14:26:35 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I could review Nomnomnom
Aug 18 14:26:44 <Tibfib> don't
Aug 18 14:26:49 <PatrickC> tomorrow I get my touchpad
Aug 18 14:26:57 <PatrickC> you can read my past reviews
Aug 18 14:26:59 <Tibfib> So can anyone help me with SSL?
Aug 18 14:26:59 <PatrickC> if you want
Aug 18 14:27:04 <Tibfib> I just want to know the basics
Aug 18 14:27:06 <Tibfib> any links?
Aug 18 14:27:17 <Tibfib> couldn't find anything super relevant on google
Aug 18 14:28:59 <Tibfib> lots of spam
Aug 18 14:29:49 <NuttyBunny_TP> damn, stupid TP, losy
Aug 18 14:30:14 <NuttyBunny_TP> lost audio, this is getting annoying
Aug 18 14:30:35 <PatrickC> singmajesty: is that a regular, packagable app?
Aug 18 14:30:39 <fxspec06_> whats up pat
Aug 18 14:30:48 <NuttyBunny_TP> so late.. bbl
Aug 18 14:31:07 <PatrickC> fxspec06_: what extra villo features did you add, and where did you get the docs?
Aug 18 14:31:15 <fxspec06_> there were no docs
Aug 18 14:31:21 <Tibfib> you have to use the force
Aug 18 14:31:23 <fxspec06_> just cloud backup
Aug 18 14:31:30 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 18 14:31:35 <PatrickC> how did you get the api?
Aug 18 14:31:40 <Tibfib> with the force
Aug 18 14:31:42 <fxspec06_> there was no api
Aug 18 14:31:44 <fxspec06_> there were no docs
Aug 18 14:31:47 <fxspec06_> nobody helped me
Aug 18 14:31:50 <Tibfib> just the force
Aug 18 14:31:52 <PatrickC> you wrote it..?
Aug 18 14:32:00 <fxspec06_> i used the force
Aug 18 14:32:05 <Tibfib> bingo!
Aug 18 14:32:31 * PatrickC wants to learn the force
Aug 18 14:32:42 <Tibfib> you're too young
Aug 18 14:33:04 <PatrickC> aww
Aug 18 14:33:05 <PatrickC> :/
Aug 18 14:33:17 <PatrickC> (says the 17 year old)
Aug 18 14:33:26 <Tibfib> oh no, got a bad review for nomnomnom
Aug 18 14:33:33 <Tibfib> wonder what it says
Aug 18 14:33:42 * PatrickC can't check till tomorrow
Aug 18 14:33:44 <tomhut> :(
Aug 18 14:33:51 <tomhut> will have to buy a touchpad and offset it with a good one
Aug 18 14:33:51 <PatrickC> Tibfib: when does your tp get in?
Aug 18 14:33:55 <tomhut> nomnomnomnomnom
Aug 18 14:34:01 <PatrickC> tomhut: dooooo it
Aug 18 14:34:03 <Tibfib> dunno yet
Aug 18 14:34:11 <Tibfib> weekend hopefully
Aug 18 14:34:16 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 18 14:34:24 <PatrickC> get a loaner/dev discount?
Aug 18 14:34:35 <tomhut> PatrickC: me?
Aug 18 14:34:40 <Tibfib> PatrickC: purchased.
Aug 18 14:34:53 <PatrickC> tomhut: Tibfib
Aug 18 14:34:58 <PatrickC> Tibfib: thru palm?
Aug 18 14:35:02 <Tibfib> yes
Aug 18 14:35:06 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 18 14:35:18 <PatrickC> you pay on the $599 or the $499 price?
Aug 18 14:35:26 <Tibfib> 499
Aug 18 14:35:44 <PatrickC> nice! you get the loyalty discount?
Aug 18 14:35:56 <Tibfib> yep
Aug 18 14:36:12 <PatrickC> so $324?
Aug 18 14:36:31 <Tibfib> kind of
Aug 18 14:36:50 <PatrickC> well, plus tax and shipping..
Aug 18 14:37:07 <Tibfib> sure, we can go with that
Aug 18 14:37:19 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: you around?
Aug 18 14:37:38 <fxspec06_> k using that worked
Aug 18 14:37:43 <Tibfib> the force?
Aug 18 14:37:44 <fxspec06_> i'm allowed to submit as 1.4.5
Aug 18 14:37:56 <fxspec06_> yes i'm using the force against HP's app cat submission process
Aug 18 14:38:00 <fxspec06_> thanks for advice guys
Aug 18 14:38:10 <Tibfib> no problem
Aug 18 14:38:15 * fxspec06_ wipes sweat off forehead w/ lightsabre
Aug 18 14:38:21 <Tibfib> careful
Aug 18 14:39:01 <Tibfib> anyone willing to send me a screenshot of the bad nomnomnom review(s)?
Aug 18 14:39:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> there are bad reviews? where do those people live? I have to "talk" with them
Aug 18 14:40:11 <Tibfib> well my review average went to 4.9
Aug 18 14:40:19 <Tibfib> so I'm guessing I got a 1-3 review
Aug 18 14:40:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'll check
Aug 18 14:40:54 <Tibfib> thanks
Aug 18 14:43:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: 12 fives, 1 four
Aug 18 14:44:08 <Tibfib> hmmm
Aug 18 14:44:10 <pc-world> Anyone have an idea how to calculate remaining screen space in a scene? I have to calculate that because I want a scroller in the remaining space, and scrollers need absolute high
Aug 18 14:44:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: "More sharing options would be great!"
Aug 18 14:44:27 <Tibfib> (5*12 + 4) / (13*5)
Aug 18 14:44:33 <Tibfib> irc needs to do math for us
Aug 18 14:44:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah haha
Aug 18 14:44:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it would be easy to write a script for that
Aug 18 14:44:54 <pc-world> Tibfib: Google can that do too ;)
Aug 18 14:45:11 <Tibfib> my math is fuzzy
Aug 18 14:45:21 <PatrickC> 65
Aug 18 14:45:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 64/13= 4.92
Aug 18 14:45:46 <PatrickC> oh lol
Aug 18 14:45:49 <Tibfib> yeah, what I put * 5 = 4.92
Aug 18 14:45:58 <PatrickC> thought that was 2 separate problems :P
Aug 18 14:46:02 <Tibfib> dang, I didn't know a single 4 star review would do that
Aug 18 14:46:02 <PuffTheMagic> scrollers are a pain in the ass
Aug 18 14:46:08 <pc-world> (5*12 + 4) / (13*5) = 0.98 (if you're talking about that ;))
Aug 18 14:46:10 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: all they wanted were more sharing options?
Aug 18 14:46:13 <Tibfib> did they give ideas?
Aug 18 14:46:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope
Aug 18 14:46:19 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: yesir
Aug 18 14:46:21 <Tibfib> oh come on
Aug 18 14:46:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> useless review is useless
Aug 18 14:46:24 <Tibfib> I don't know wha tyou want
Aug 18 14:46:29 <Tibfib> facebook perhaps
Aug 18 14:46:35 <Tibfib> hmm, what's the enyo api
Aug 18 14:47:33 <Tibfib> is sharing via google plus easy?
Aug 18 14:47:37 <Tibfib> is there even an open api?
Aug 18 14:48:31 <Tibfib> well whooptydoo, I can't even look for the api
Aug 18 14:48:39 <PatrickC> why?
Aug 18 14:49:15 <Tibfib> <18
Aug 18 14:49:25 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 18 14:49:31 <Tibfib> and PatrickC, I swear, if you brag about how you cheated the system, I will ignore you forever
Aug 18 14:49:31 <dwc-> lie like pat?
Aug 18 14:49:36 <Tibfib> dwc-: too late
Aug 18 14:49:51 <Tibfib> you can't change your age once you set it
Aug 18 14:50:03 <PatrickC> you can make a new acct..
Aug 18 14:50:08 <dwc-> http://blog.programmableweb.com/2011/07/18/the-unofficial-google-plus-api-wait-which-one/
Aug 18 14:50:16 <Tibfib> PatrickC: no thanks
Aug 18 14:50:23 <PatrickC> or use an email where you didn't give your age
Aug 18 14:50:29 <Tibfib> dwc-: hey, just was reading that page
Aug 18 14:50:33 <PatrickC> (like a business email) which I have
Aug 18 14:50:54 <Tibfib> nah, I don't want to sign out from gmail every time I want to use google plus
Aug 18 14:50:57 <dwc-> you probably googled the same search terms
Aug 18 14:51:09 <Tibfib> "google plus sharing api"
Aug 18 14:51:34 <dwc-> or you could different browser, (rudimentary) multi-session support, etc.
Aug 18 14:52:48 <Tibfib> shmeh, I'll wait for an official api
Aug 18 14:52:52 <Tibfib> doesn't look to be anything that good
Aug 18 14:53:03 <Tibfib> dwc-: not worth the effort
Aug 18 14:53:11 <Tibfib> I don't care about google+ that much
Aug 18 14:53:34 <PatrickC> facebook/twitter's where its at
Aug 18 14:53:34 <dwc-> I different browser anyways
Aug 18 14:53:57 <dwc-> just to keep my work stuff separate from personal
Aug 18 14:54:12 <Tibfib> Yeah I probably should do that
Aug 18 14:54:15 <Tibfib> but I don't
Aug 18 14:56:07 * Tibfib considers posting tl;dr: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17474
Aug 18 14:59:45 <PatrickC> my touchpad is in Memphis! YEAH!
Aug 18 15:02:50 * pc-world hates CSS...
Aug 18 15:03:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> pc-world: HOW?!
Aug 18 15:03:45 * Tibfib hates CSS too
Aug 18 15:03:48 <directhex> oh, wait, speak of the devil... Subject: 	Shipping Notification from Palm Store
Aug 18 15:03:49 <pc-world> because it never does what I want it to do
Aug 18 15:04:05 <Tibfib> editing CSS in chrome is awesome though
Aug 18 15:04:13 <Tibfib> 10000000000000x better than emu
Aug 18 15:04:14 <pc-world> yeah, but not for Mojo
Aug 18 15:04:16 <Tibfib> live changes frtw
Aug 18 15:04:18 <PatrickC> directhex: you waiting for a touchpad too?
Aug 18 15:04:29 <Tibfib> "for reals, the win"
Aug 18 15:04:29 <directhex> PatrickC, pre3.
Aug 18 15:04:36 <PatrickC> AWESOME!!
Aug 18 15:04:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh, I thought you meant in general
Aug 18 15:04:49 <directhex> except i'm in london tomorrow ¬_¬
Aug 18 15:04:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not just for webOS
Aug 18 15:04:53 <pc-world> I can learn programming languages relatively fast, but don't get along with CSS for some years now
Aug 18 15:05:02 <Puffy_TP> css isnt bad
Aug 18 15:05:02 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 15:05:08 <Puffy_TP> im just not good at it yet
Aug 18 15:05:11 <Tibfib> css is awful.
Aug 18 15:05:11 <PatrickC> I don't like css that much either
Aug 18 15:05:19 <PatrickC> that's why I have Jake_M
Aug 18 15:05:31 <Tibfib> although I think I know it fairly well now
Aug 18 15:05:31 <pc-world> IGNTNUNLMTD: I don't really come along with it for websites too
Aug 18 15:05:39 <Puffy_TP> Tibfib: dont make any QT guis then
Aug 18 15:05:42 <Puffy_TP> they use css now too
Aug 18 15:05:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> pc-world: what do you mean?
Aug 18 15:05:54 <Tibfib> heh, I'm afraid I'll be using CSS my entire life
Aug 18 15:05:56 <directhex> 1	Shipment information received	 DUBLIN - IRELAND, REPUBLIC OF	15:40
Aug 18 15:05:58 <directhex> now to wait...
Aug 18 15:06:12 <Puffy_TP> Tibfib: nothing to be afraid of there
Aug 18 15:06:31 <Tibfib> Puffy_TP: yeah, I don't hate it as much as I used to
Aug 18 15:06:37 <pc-world> IGNTNUNLMTD: I mean that I neither come along with CSS for webOS nor for websites in general
Aug 18 15:06:51 <Loudergood> beats the heck out of doing each element manually
Aug 18 15:07:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what does "come along" mean in that context; forgive me, I'm a stupid american
Aug 18 15:07:12 <pc-world> if I can solve one problem with CSS, I have another issue
Aug 18 15:07:36 <pc-world> IGNTNUNLMTD: I'm a stupid German, sorry, I meant to get along :D
Aug 18 15:07:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah hahaha
Aug 18 15:07:47 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 15:08:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so you do every element manually?
Aug 18 15:08:12 <Puffy_TP> Tibfib: when r u getting a TP?
Aug 18 15:08:23 <Tibfib> it is on its way
Aug 18 15:08:27 <Tibfib> this weekend hopefully
Aug 18 15:08:35 <Puffy_TP> nice
Aug 18 15:08:55 <Puffy_TP> you and PatrickC are gonna be pigs in shit
Aug 18 15:09:09 <Tibfib> thanks for that image
Aug 18 15:09:14 <PatrickC> I get mine tomorrow
Aug 18 15:09:20 <PatrickC> and yeah.. thanks lol
Aug 18 15:09:24 <pc-world> IGNTNUNLMTD: how do you mean every element manually? I use to not style any element if possible :)
Aug 18 15:09:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what did that look like on a website?
Aug 18 15:10:22 <pc-world> not good, that's why I don't have a real website atm
Aug 18 15:10:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and btw, someone at Engadget must really hate me... they deleted EVERY comment I ever made
Aug 18 15:10:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I bet next, they'll show up at my house and try to kill my dog
Aug 18 15:11:08 <RagingMind> SO many deals on touchpads when I'm broke... *sigh*  HPalm, you have me as a customer, but it might have to wait till I get my tax refund next year :(
Aug 18 15:11:09 <Tibfib> probably
Aug 18 15:11:15 * PatrickC doesn't read engadget anymore
Aug 18 15:11:23 * Tibfib does via RSS
Aug 18 15:11:26 <Tibfib> NOMNOMNOM
Aug 18 15:11:34 <Tibfib> actually, I don't even use NomNomNom to read my feeds
Aug 18 15:11:36 <Tibfib> that's sad.
Aug 18 15:11:39 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 15:11:43 <Tibfib> no touchpad ftl.
Aug 18 15:11:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :9
Aug 18 15:11:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :( *
Aug 18 15:11:50 <PatrickC> RagingMind: you thought of a loaner?
Aug 18 15:12:06 <Tibfib> right, dcousineau?
Aug 18 15:12:45 <Tibfib> or am I off my rocker?
Aug 18 15:12:52 <RagingMind> I'm not really a developer, though I've toyed with the idea.  I'm too A.D.D. to sit and teach myself something like JS or C
Aug 18 15:12:58 <directhex> i should try setting up an ubuntu chroot on the pre3, that'll be fun and painful and fun
Aug 18 15:13:05 <Puffy_TP> were you ever on a rocker?
Aug 18 15:13:11 <Tibfib> Puffy_TP: nope, couch atm
Aug 18 15:13:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I had 1500 likes on Engadget... it wasn't like I was a hated member
Aug 18 15:13:20 <dcousineau> Tibfib: yo'ure wrong, always
Aug 18 15:13:25 <dcousineau> Tibfib: like nomonomnom though
Aug 18 15:13:41 <Tibfib> nomnomnom is wrong like me, or you like nomnomnom?
Aug 18 15:13:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 18 15:13:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I think he likes the app, but YOU are wrong
Aug 18 15:14:05 <dcousineau> IGNTNUNLMTD: correct
Aug 18 15:14:06 <Tibfib> eh, that works
Aug 18 15:14:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> okay, Localscope is a pretty gorgeous app
Aug 18 15:14:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously.
Aug 18 15:14:22 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: what does it do?
Aug 18 15:14:22 <Tibfib> ooh pics?
Aug 18 15:14:29 <dcousineau> who did listed?
Aug 18 15:14:33 <dcousineau> "Listed"?
Aug 18 15:14:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> one sec
Aug 18 15:15:17 <dcousineau> ooh it is pretty
Aug 18 15:16:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://ignitionunlimited.com/wp-uploads/quick/touchpad_2011-18-08_111157.png
Aug 18 15:16:37 <Tibfib> oooh nice
Aug 18 15:16:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Note that Mike's Exxon is hell.
Aug 18 15:16:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 18 15:16:53 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 18 15:17:19 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: how much is the app?
Aug 18 15:17:26 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 18 15:17:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> uh, 2.99 I think?
Aug 18 15:17:28 <dcousineau> 2.99 iirc
Aug 18 15:17:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yep, must be
Aug 18 15:17:38 <Tibfib> cheap-o
Aug 18 15:17:48 <dcousineau> yeah was just looking at it
Aug 18 15:19:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have 17 bookmarked apps to buy
Aug 18 15:19:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> with the coupon
Aug 18 15:19:45 <PatrickC> I don't have the coupon :'(
Aug 18 15:19:52 <Tibfib> I have a feeling I will never bookmark an app
Aug 18 15:19:57 <PatrickC> I will
Aug 18 15:19:59 <Tibfib> if I want something cheap, I'll buy it.
Aug 18 15:20:00 <dcousineau> but yeah lited is pretty
Aug 18 15:20:01 <Puffy_TP> http://ompldr.org/vOXk5eA/wirc-enyo_2011-18-08_111123.png
Aug 18 15:20:02 <directhex> do we have any idea yet how enyo apps will look on a non-tablet form factor? the word was that the pre3 would run enyo apps, but without a 2.2 sdk there's no 2.2 emulator to see what the damage is
Aug 18 15:20:05 <dcousineau> http://cl.ly/3g1G2v400P1p180B3s22
Aug 18 15:20:07 <Tibfib> $3 is nothing
Aug 18 15:20:17 <dcousineau> just really light
Aug 18 15:20:22 <Tibfib> dcousineau: ooh, that's pretty too
Aug 18 15:20:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> OMFG beautiful Puffy_TP
Aug 18 15:20:30 <dcousineau> Tibfib: itsa free too
Aug 18 15:20:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dark theme as well?
Aug 18 15:20:42 <PatrickC> Puffy_TP: OOO nice
Aug 18 15:20:55 <PatrickC> directhex: I run enyo on my pre2
Aug 18 15:21:22 <directhex> PatrickC, how does stuff look?
Aug 18 15:21:25 <Tibfib> Puffy_TP: looking good
Aug 18 15:21:58 <PatrickC> directhex: not perfect. its not scaled for phones yet
Aug 18 15:22:05 <pc-world1> just throwing in the question again... :)
Aug 18 15:22:05 <pc-world1> Anyone have an idea how to calculate remaining screen space in a scene? I have to calculate that because I want a scroller in the remaining space, and scrollers need absolute high
Aug 18 15:22:17 <Puffy_TP> its only getting better
Aug 18 15:22:17 <Puffy_TP> IGNTNUNLMTD: no themes yet
Aug 18 15:22:17 <Puffy_TP> just pretty much need to add PM support and we will start making testing feed releases
Aug 18 15:22:21 <pc-world1> (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17492&p=87746)
Aug 18 15:22:53 <dcousineau> pc-world1: if its enyo theres a technique, if its not *shrug*
Aug 18 15:23:02 <Tibfib> pc-world1: that's while you use flex boxes
Aug 18 15:23:07 <Tibfib> scrollers can have flex
Aug 18 15:23:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I want a pretty Exchange-supported Tasks app
Aug 18 15:23:15 <Puffy_TP> pc-world1: sum up the heights of the stuff that is currently rendered, then subtract that from window.innerHeight
Aug 18 15:23:31 <pc-world1> I'm using Mojo, not Enyo :)
Aug 18 15:23:41 <PatrickC> Puffy_TP: can't wait!
Aug 18 15:23:53 <pc-world1> Puffy_TP: I remember trying that already, but I'll try again
Aug 18 15:23:53 <Tibfib> otherwise, you can do window.innerHeight - this.$.top.getBounds().height - this.$.bottom.getBounds().height
Aug 18 15:24:04 <pc-world1> Tibfib: I'm using Mojo
Aug 18 15:24:08 <PatrickC> dcousineau: how much is Listed?
Aug 18 15:24:14 <dcousineau> PatrickC: free
Aug 18 15:24:17 <Tibfib> pc-world1: fudge
Aug 18 15:24:30 <PatrickC> awesome! cloud integration for multiple devices?
Aug 18 15:24:35 <PatrickC> your app?
Aug 18 15:24:37 <Tibfib> pc-world1: use absolute positioning for the top and bottom
Aug 18 15:24:43 <Tibfib> and then margin-top and margin-bottom for your scroller
Aug 18 15:24:50 <dcousineau> PatrickC: wish it was mine
Aug 18 15:24:55 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 15:25:07 <PatrickC> I use CloudMemos by Rimmin right now
Aug 18 15:25:14 <dcousineau> PatrickC: but its not. Currently it's the barest of bones. Create lists, create tasks in said list. checkmark and delete tasks
Aug 18 15:25:15 <dcousineau> thats it
Aug 18 15:25:18 <PatrickC> I like to have my memos sync between devices
Aug 18 15:25:28 <PatrickC> hmm.. I might try it out
Aug 18 15:25:31 <pc-world1> Tibfib: So then using the scene scroller instead of a seperate one? Or still a seperate one?
Aug 18 15:25:38 <dcousineau> I'd love to get ahold of the author
Aug 18 15:25:39 <Tibfib> ummm
Aug 18 15:25:42 <Tibfib> you could do either
Aug 18 15:25:42 <dcousineau> see if he oss's it
Aug 18 15:25:54 <Tibfib> dcousineau: FORK AND SELL, FORK AND SELL
Aug 18 15:26:09 <pc-world1> Tibfib: And then giving the scroller the full screen width/height?
Aug 18 15:26:43 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: nick highlighting/notification coming before first testing feed release?
Aug 18 15:26:50 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny!
Aug 18 15:26:55 <Tibfib> pc-world1: erggh, I dunno dude. mojo sucks
Aug 18 15:27:01 <PuffTheMagic> notifications in the dock?
Aug 18 15:27:21 <Tibfib> pc-world1: I've got it
Aug 18 15:27:25 <Tibfib> use scene scroller
Aug 18 15:27:28 <PatrickC> like if someone says your nice/PM's you
Aug 18 15:27:33 <Tibfib> absolute positioning for top and bottom elements
Aug 18 15:27:36 <PatrickC> and on the phone, you get a notification
Aug 18 15:27:42 <Tibfib> then just put spacers in the top and bottom of the scroller
Aug 18 15:27:49 <pc-world1> Tibfib: thanks
Aug 18 15:27:50 <Tibfib> <div style='height: 50px'></div>
Aug 18 15:27:55 <NuttyBunny> hey all
Aug 18 15:28:05 <pc-world1> Tibfib: I'd use Enyo, but I've been working on the app for about a year and I don't want to lose all the effort and time I put in
Aug 18 15:28:13 <Tibfib> yeah understood
Aug 18 15:28:43 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: wirc questions should be asked in #wirc  ;)
Aug 18 15:28:51 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: lol
Aug 18 15:29:00 <pc-world1> I'll wait until Enyo gets more mature
Aug 18 15:29:04 <PuffTheMagic> no, those are annoying and not high on my todo list
Aug 18 15:29:04 <PuffTheMagic> mention highlighting is half done
Aug 18 15:29:04 <PuffTheMagic> already have the prefs where you can add words
Aug 18 15:29:04 <PuffTheMagic> just have to make it actually highlight
Aug 18 15:29:04 <PuffTheMagic> gonna get auto sender coloring in there too
Aug 18 15:29:17 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, no, really, PuffTheMagic sent me there yesterday :D
Aug 18 15:29:20 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 18 15:29:24 <PatrickC> I saw
Aug 18 15:29:24 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: you should allow straight up regex for highlighting
Aug 18 15:29:27 <Tibfib> that'd be soo awesome
Aug 18 15:29:40 <PuffTheMagic> we have had a irc chan for wirc for 2 years + now
Aug 18 15:29:40 <PuffTheMagic> use it
Aug 18 15:29:50 <dcousineau> sweet then I could put in the full iso standard regex for emails
Aug 18 15:29:54 <pc-world1> join #wirc
Aug 18 15:29:57 <pc-world1> upps
Aug 18 15:32:45 <tomhut> *joins*
Aug 18 15:33:56 <PatrickC> azakus: ping
Aug 18 15:36:29 * halfhalo-work yawns
Aug 18 15:36:54 <pc-world1> Tibfib: how exactly to do the absolute positioning? position:absolute, and top: 0px; left: 0px; for the top element, right? And what for the bottom element?
Aug 18 15:37:11 <Tibfib> position:absolute; bottom:0px; left: 0px;
Aug 18 15:37:41 <pc-world1> Tibfib: ahh thx, I forgot about the bottom property
Aug 18 15:37:47 <Tibfib> :)
Aug 18 15:37:52 <halfhalo-work> gah.  my ear hurts
Aug 18 15:38:24 <halfhalo-work> my left ear was bitten by something, so now I can't use my earbuds with it
Aug 18 15:39:31 <NuttyBunny> Hey Adora!
Aug 18 15:39:31 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: a nargal?
Aug 18 15:39:44 <halfhalo-work> lets go with that
Aug 18 15:40:00 <matbee> blurp
Aug 18 15:40:04 <matbee> sup sweet cheeks
Aug 18 15:42:46 <Tibfib> hmm, any other "more" options for articles? "keep unread" is the only one I can think of
Aug 18 15:43:00 * halfhalo-work is to lazy to go get a soda right now
Aug 18 15:43:09 <Tibfib> grab me one while you're at it
Aug 18 15:43:50 <halfhalo-work> damnitall.  I'm out of change, and don't want to walk to the other place.  no soda for me
Aug 18 15:45:26 <Tibfib> does anyone care about "liking" stuff on google reader?
Aug 18 15:45:34 <halfhalo-work> dunno
Aug 18 15:45:46 <halfhalo-work> gogogadget smartdjlist!
Aug 18 15:45:53 <kevets> Tibfib: heard a nice shoutout for nomnomnom on the recent palmcast. nice goin man
Aug 18 15:46:02 <dcousineau> Tibfib: meh.
Aug 18 15:46:04 <Tibfib> kevets: thanks!
Aug 18 15:46:12 <Tibfib> dcousineau: yeah, that's what I thought
Aug 18 15:46:27 <Tibfib> if I get more than 3 people asking for it, I'll add it
Aug 18 15:47:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: You know you were featured on the PalmCast, right?
Aug 18 15:48:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for NomNomNom
Aug 18 15:48:12 <NuttyBunny> nomnomnom makes me hungry
Aug 18 15:48:16 <Tibfib> umm, I heard NomNomNOm was tim's app of teh week
Aug 18 15:48:25 <Tibfib> was there more? >.<
Aug 18 15:51:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, that was what I mean
Aug 18 15:51:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> t
Aug 18 15:56:52 <pc-world1> Tibfib: Works so far. But how to make the background of the top and bottom intransparent?
Aug 18 15:57:18 <Tibfib> background-color: transparent ?
Aug 18 15:57:38 <pc-world1> that's what it actually is, but I want it to be intransparent
Aug 18 15:57:46 <sugardave> pc-world1: I think with top/left/bottom/right you don't tell it px, just a number?
Aug 18 15:57:59 <Tibfib> sugardave: you tell it px
Aug 18 15:58:02 <sugardave> hmmm
Aug 18 15:58:13 <Tibfib> I think people only ever do "0"
Aug 18 15:58:14 <Tibfib> not "50"
Aug 18 15:58:20 <pc-world1> yeah in px
Aug 18 15:58:22 <sugardave> maybe it defaults to px
Aug 18 15:58:26 <Tibfib> 0 would be the same thing as "0px"
Aug 18 15:58:31 <sugardave> k
Aug 18 15:58:32 <Tibfib> "50" would be the same as "0px"
Aug 18 15:58:36 <pc-world1> but that's not the issue
Aug 18 15:58:49 <Tibfib> pc-world1: you want it semi-transparent?
Aug 18 15:58:58 <Tibfib> opacity: .5
Aug 18 15:58:59 <Tibfib> works
Aug 18 15:59:08 <pc-world1> wait a moment
Aug 18 15:59:13 <Tibfib> or background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.5)
Aug 18 16:00:14 <pc-world1> I want the background to be non-transparent
Aug 18 16:00:31 <pc-world1> of the top and the bottom
Aug 18 16:00:49 <pc-world1> so that when I scroll the top doesn't get mixed with the scroller content
Aug 18 16:01:28 <Tibfib> so opaque.
Aug 18 16:01:36 <Tibfib> give it a background-color
Aug 18 16:01:49 <Tibfib> or perhaps you want to give it a z-index
Aug 18 16:02:09 <pc-world1> what's the standard background-color in Mojo scenes?
Aug 18 16:02:28 <Tibfib> dunno
Aug 18 16:02:31 <Tibfib> some grey
Aug 18 16:02:48 <Tibfib> pc-world1: look in the reference area of the sdk
Aug 18 16:05:00 <pc-world1> trying to get the color via screenshot and gimp
Aug 18 16:05:21 <pc-world1> #e4e4e2
Aug 18 16:08:03 <pc-world1> but still doesn't work
Aug 18 16:08:06 <pc-world1> screenshot: http://www.abload.de/img/beta_2011-18-08_175936675p.jpg
Aug 18 16:08:34 <pc-world1> when scrolling, the top and bottom are transparent somehow
Aug 18 16:09:04 <Tibfib> pc-world1: just use menu's
Aug 18 16:09:09 <Tibfib> view menu, command menu
Aug 18 16:09:43 <pc-world1> no, menus aren't suitable there (there will be some widgets in the top), and menus look ugly for this case
Aug 18 16:10:08 <Tibfib> gotta disagree
Aug 18 16:10:22 <Tibfib> but your app, your choice
Aug 18 16:10:29 <pc-world1> in the top there'll be a textfield, so menus don't work there
Aug 18 16:10:36 <Tibfib> You'll have to play with the css to get it right
Aug 18 16:10:48 <Tibfib> pc-world1: a filter field?
Aug 18 16:10:55 <singmajesty> Mojo FTW
Aug 18 16:11:00 <pc-world1> no, normal textfield
Aug 18 16:11:03 <Tibfib> Mojo FTL.
Aug 18 16:11:10 <singmajesty> Hah
Aug 18 16:11:19 <Tibfib> pc-world1: I don't see how that means you can't have a menu.
Aug 18 16:11:21 <singmajesty> I almost thought about providing code completion for Mojo ;)
Aug 18 16:11:33 <Tibfib> oh gosh
Aug 18 16:11:35 <Tibfib> that would be awful
Aug 18 16:11:42 <singmajesty> Mojo would probably be easier than Enyo, since it follows a more standard object/prototype model
Aug 18 16:11:49 <pc-world1> Tibfib: Because you can't include text fields in menus...
Aug 18 16:12:07 <Tibfib> I guess I don't understand..
Aug 18 16:12:14 <singmajesty> Hey, just for fun
Aug 18 16:12:53 <singmajesty> Every system has its downsides
Aug 18 16:13:07 <pc-world1> Tibfib: z-index: 5000 did the trick, thanks :)
Aug 18 16:13:11 <singmajesty> I wish that Enyo was a little more ... prototypical
Aug 18 16:13:24 <singmajesty> You can't really subclass anything
Aug 18 16:13:30 <pc-world1> I wish Enyo was a bit more OOP-ish :)
Aug 18 16:13:40 <singmajesty> yep
Aug 18 16:13:44 <pc-world1> I'd like to see Interfaces working
Aug 18 16:13:45 * halfhalo-work likes mojo
Aug 18 16:13:55 <pc-world1> but I think Enyo is way more OOP-ish than Mojo
Aug 18 16:14:01 <singmajesty> For now, though, I've got it workiing with two definitions for each object
Aug 18 16:14:15 <PatrickC> hey singmajesty
Aug 18 16:14:16 <pc-world1> the only way to make "subclasses" in Enyo is to use protoype.js' Class.create
Aug 18 16:14:22 <Tibfib> mojo is awful in comparison to enyo
Aug 18 16:14:23 <singmajesty> so "enyo.Button" has caption, className, etc
Aug 18 16:14:27 <Tibfib> it is sooo difficult to do anything
Aug 18 16:14:44 <singmajesty> "enyo.ButtonInstance" has getCaption, setCaption, getClassName, setClassName, show, hide, etc
Aug 18 16:14:53 <Tibfib> my complaint with enyo is how tough it is to reference functions from another kind
Aug 18 16:15:09 * Tibfib has solution
Aug 18 16:15:11 <sugardave> cheat
Aug 18 16:15:15 <Tibfib> so you have events: { }
Aug 18 16:15:18 <halfhalo-work> cheating is good
Aug 18 16:15:20 <PatrickC> can anyone access this thread? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1999&Itemid=337
Aug 18 16:15:24 <singmajesty> use the sender?
Aug 18 16:15:32 <singmajesty> sender.callMethod () ?
Aug 18 16:15:32 <sugardave> enyo.application.MyApp = new MyAppKind();
Aug 18 16:15:34 <Tibfib> I want global : { functionName: "localFunctionName"
Aug 18 16:15:48 <pc-world1> PatrickC: no
Aug 18 16:15:49 <sugardave> var MyApp = enyo.application.MyApp; MyApp.someFunction();
Aug 18 16:16:05 <Tibfib> so then whenever I call this.global.functionName() it calls it
Aug 18 16:16:13 <pc-world1> my problem with Enyo is that sooo many features are still missing we had in Mojo
Aug 18 16:16:14 <Tibfib> sugardave: can you do that with any kind?
Aug 18 16:16:15 <PatrickC> hrmm.. singmajesty may be able to answer my question then
Aug 18 16:16:20 <singmajesty> public static function MyPublicFunction () {}
Aug 18 16:16:26 <sugardave> Tibfib: I don't see why not
Aug 18 16:16:32 <singmajesty> OtherClass.MyPublicFunction ();
Aug 18 16:16:55 <PatrickC> singmajesty: is it easy to integrate the PDK with Visual Studio?
Aug 18 16:17:05 <Tibfib> sugardave: my idea was golden
Aug 18 16:17:21 <Tibfib> events: {}, published: {}, global: {}
Aug 18 16:17:31 <singmajesty> If I write something for the PDK in Visual Studio, I say that I have an existing project, then I enter in the command-line arguments for debug, build, etc.
Aug 18 16:17:41 <singmajesty> Would be nice if we had a ready-made template, but not know
Aug 18 16:17:49 <singmajesty> not now
Aug 18 16:18:15 <singmajesty> Honestly, I do most of my work in FlashDevelop, because I code in Haxe a lot more than C/C++
Aug 18 16:18:34 <singmajesty> Haxe NME is the library I used for my PDK games
Aug 18 16:18:45 <sugardave> Tibfib: submit a feature request :
Aug 18 16:18:47 <sugardave> :D
Aug 18 16:18:52 <Tibfib> that no one reads
Aug 18 16:19:35 <pc-world1> Tibfib: Thanks again for helping me with the scroller, it's working now as it should
Aug 18 16:19:43 <Tibfib> sweeet
Aug 18 16:20:22 <singmajesty> PatrickC: I have a couple C++ samples here: http://www.joshuagranick.com/code/pdk/
Aug 18 16:20:30 <singmajesty> The compile script is done in a batch file
Aug 18 16:20:43 <singmajesty> You can set it up in a batch file, then use Visual Studio to run the file ...
Aug 18 16:20:49 <singmajesty> Or can probably integrate more deeply
Aug 18 16:21:10 <singmajesty> If you haven't done compiling and publishing for the PDK before, that should help give you a working example, with some of the arguments you need
Aug 18 16:21:56 <PatrickC> thanks!
Aug 18 16:22:02 <PatrickC> yeah, this will be my first pdk
Aug 18 16:22:58 <singmajesty> Cool, then check those samples out ...
Aug 18 16:23:16 <PatrickC> thanks
Aug 18 16:23:23 <singmajesty> They include an "SDLStage" class which can take care of initialization, the main loop, frame rate throttling, etc, for you
Aug 18 16:23:35 <mcahornsirup> Hi. Is WebOS 2.1.1 supporting Enyo at all? or is Enyo only available on 3.x
Aug 18 16:23:41 <PatrickC> on the dev site, it says that the PDK integrates with Visual Studio...
Aug 18 16:23:45 <singmajesty> You can either use it as-is and begin playing with code, or you can use it as a starting point for your own stuff
Aug 18 16:23:50 <PatrickC> mcahornsirup: Enyo is currently 3.x only
Aug 18 16:24:06 <PatrickC> singmajesty: I'll probably do both. thanks!
Aug 18 16:24:09 <singmajesty> Enyo, like Mojo, is a HTML/JS/CSS framework
Aug 18 16:24:24 <singmajesty> It's optimized for tablets, but work is being invested to round out phone support
Aug 18 16:24:28 <PatrickC> well, *included* on 3.x only
Aug 18 16:24:39 <PatrickC> singmajesty: I run it on my phone haha
Aug 18 16:24:49 <singmajesty> Enyo will be released for webOS phones as soon as we can
Aug 18 16:25:03 <PatrickC> singmajesty: the arm toolchain is needed? correct?
Aug 18 16:25:15 <singmajesty> So feel free to use a different framework for phones, or wait until Enyo for phones is ready :)
Aug 18 16:25:27 <mcahornsirup> Sounds promising : )
Aug 18 16:25:37 <singmajesty> PatrickC: On Linux and Mac, the toolchain is included. For Windows, download the ARM toolchain from Code Sourcery
Aug 18 16:25:43 <pc-world1> singmajesty: Any word on licensing of Enyo yet?
Aug 18 16:25:57 <pc-world1> singmajesty: I think it has a cause why they optimized Enyo to work on iOS too
Aug 18 16:26:00 <singmajesty> The word is, we would love for Enyo to be FOSS
Aug 18 16:26:01 <PatrickC> singmajesty: ok, downloading I now (I'm on windows)
Aug 18 16:26:12 <singmajesty> We just need to work on it internally, and we are
Aug 18 16:26:27 <PatrickC> so making enyo licensed is being worked on? :)
Aug 18 16:26:38 * Tibfib might make custom "GlobalFunctions" kind
Aug 18 16:26:39 <singmajesty> We'll see
Aug 18 16:26:52 <singmajesty> Personally, I believe that cross-platform is critical
Aug 18 16:27:05 <pc-world1> singmajesty: No, toolchain is not included in the Linux SDK, there's not even an official Linux PDK
Aug 18 16:27:12 <singmajesty> Yes there is
Aug 18 16:27:19 <pc-world1> ?!
Aug 18 16:27:21 <singmajesty> Since webOS 3.0.0 SDK, there's an official Linux PDK
Aug 18 16:27:27 <sugardave> Tibfib: it's going to break in headless apps
Aug 18 16:27:42 <Tibfib> sugardave: right
Aug 18 16:27:45 <sugardave> the only way to communicate between windows is enyo.application
Aug 18 16:27:46 <pc-world1> singmajesty: I know there's a /opt/PalmPDK, but it doesn't work (I think)
Aug 18 16:28:09 <pc-world1> still using MacOSX-PDK with Linux toolchain in Ubuntu
Aug 18 16:28:10 <singmajesty> I work in Developer Relations, specifically slanted towards PDK development
Aug 18 16:28:16 <sugardave> but I guess you could make a kind and include it everywhere that just manages it for you
Aug 18 16:28:19 <singmajesty> I was using Linux full-time when I joined :)
Aug 18 16:28:31 <singmajesty> There was a Linux SDK project that was unfinished
Aug 18 16:28:36 <halfhalo-work> crazy linux people
Aug 18 16:28:40 <singmajesty> But now we have Linux builds, based off the Mac ones
Aug 18 16:28:49 <Tibfib> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17500
Aug 18 16:29:01 <pc-world1> singmajesty: ok, I may try it eventually, but the OS X-one works good so far
Aug 18 16:29:03 <singmajesty> So since the 3.0.0 SDK, we have had official Linux builds, which are similar to the Mac ones but built specifically for Linux
Aug 18 16:29:29 <singmajesty> There are some nice extras. For example, since 3.0.2, the warnings all went away
Aug 18 16:29:45 <pc-world1> singmajesty: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html: "but be aware that PDK development is not currently supported on Linux"
Aug 18 16:29:49 <singmajesty> So you can compile without the wl,-allow-undefined-shlibs or (whatever that flag is)
Aug 18 16:29:56 <singmajesty> Well, that's out-dated
Aug 18 16:30:04 <sugardave> Tibfib: I read it :D
Aug 18 16:30:16 <Tibfib> but do you dig it?
Aug 18 16:30:20 <pc-world1> but it keeps developers away from webOS, because they don't know it's outdated...
Aug 18 16:30:48 <sugardave> I think I like #b better
Aug 18 16:31:15 <singmajesty> Strange. Let me see what the deal is with that
Aug 18 16:31:35 <singmajesty> It is possible that they've left that warning there, because I don't think we have the host emulator libraries completed for Linux
Aug 18 16:31:49 <singmajesty> So you can't compile hybrid plugins and run them in the emulator on Linux
Aug 18 16:31:50 <pc-world1> singmajesty: Are these warnings gone in 3.0.2 too?:  "warning: libnapp.so, needed by /opt/PalmPDK_/device/lib/libSDL.so, ..."
Aug 18 16:31:57 <singmajesty> That's what I'm talking about
Aug 18 16:32:10 <singmajesty> You compile, it doesn't complain about libpiranha and all that
Aug 18 16:32:24 <pc-world1> that would be great
Aug 18 16:32:30 <pc-world1> maybe I should give it a try
Aug 18 16:32:33 <singmajesty> Give it a try. Yeah
Aug 18 16:32:47 <singmajesty> You can always rename your /opt/PalmPDK directory to something else, then install the SDK and see how it goes
Aug 18 16:33:09 <singmajesty> I personally like it a lot better than the one I had hacked together before
Aug 18 16:33:21 <pc-world1> singmajesty: What you were talking about are emulator libs, not host libs, didn't you?
Aug 18 16:33:40 <pc-world1> host libs are x86, emulator libs i686 I think
Aug 18 16:33:51 <pc-world1> what I need are armv7 libs and i686 libs
Aug 18 16:34:55 <singmajesty> I don't know if the host i686 libs work
Aug 18 16:34:58 <singmajesty> I haven't tested them
Aug 18 16:35:04 <singmajesty> But the device ones work perfectly
Aug 18 16:35:13 <singmajesty> As well as the device compiler
Aug 18 16:35:19 <pc-world1> emulator (i686) libs shouldn't differ from the OS X ones
Aug 18 16:35:45 <singmajesty> At its worst, the Linux PDK should include identical files to the Mac one, so you should be alright
Aug 18 16:35:51 <pc-world1> I think the host libs (x86) are thought to run SDL apps without using the emulator
Aug 18 16:35:55 <singmajesty> I'd love to hear how it works for you
Aug 18 16:36:10 <pc-world1> I remember trying it and it didn't work, but I'll do again
Aug 18 16:36:19 <singmajesty> For sure, the device stuff works
Aug 18 16:36:41 <singmajesty> If you want to run it on your host computer, you would want to use g++ and install the dev packages for libsdl, libgles, etc.
Aug 18 16:36:48 <pc-world1> I'll first download 3.0.2 PDK, I'm still on 3.0.0
Aug 18 16:37:07 <pc-world1> no, I don't need to, I only do plugin development in C++ (with no graphical output)
Aug 18 16:38:21 <singmajesty> So has anyone tried the Enyo/Haxe stuff?
Aug 18 16:38:27 <singmajesty> Would a screencast be helpful?
Aug 18 16:39:06 <PatrickC> I don't know Haxe... so..
Aug 18 16:39:27 <singmajesty> If you know Javascript, you basically know it
Aug 18 16:39:35 <PatrickC> and I don't get my touchpad till tomorrow
Aug 18 16:39:38 <singmajesty> It isn't like Coffee Script, which is basically a new language
Aug 18 16:39:48 <PatrickC> I somewhat know Javascript :)
Aug 18 16:40:03 <PatrickC> but C++ is more important atm
Aug 18 16:40:48 <halfhalo-work> lies
Aug 18 16:40:53 <singmajesty> haha
Aug 18 16:40:57 <halfhalo-work> LIES I TELL YOU
Aug 18 16:41:04 <PatrickC> singmajesty: should I learn all I can of C++ before I start in pdk?
Aug 18 16:41:11 <Tibfib> lies
Aug 18 16:41:24 <PatrickC> cause I know that with mojo, you can kinda get by w/o knowing js
Aug 18 16:41:29 * Tibfib is on halfhalo's side here
Aug 18 16:41:29 <PatrickC> much of js*
Aug 18 16:41:35 <Tibfib> no you can't
Aug 18 16:41:38 <Tibfib> you have not gotten by
Aug 18 16:41:46 <PatrickC> Tibfib: umm.. I have
Aug 18 16:41:56 <PatrickC> s/have/did/
Aug 18 16:41:57 <Tibfib> copying and pasting others' code is not getting by
Aug 18 16:42:09 <PatrickC> in enyo I didn't copy/paste
Aug 18 16:42:12 <Tibfib> asking questions for basic javascript questions is not getting by
Aug 18 16:42:14 <halfhalo-work> I will only say this once.  if you try to do mojo/enyo without knowing js it will be a cluster*$&#
Aug 18 16:42:20 <PatrickC> in enyo I used the docs
Aug 18 16:42:29 <pc-world> PatrickC: I don't know anything about C++
Aug 18 16:42:35 <pc-world> and I got a whole FTP plugin working
Aug 18 16:42:36 <Tibfib> great. you still asked lots of basic javascript questions
Aug 18 16:42:54 <PatrickC> pc-world: what did you use for the plugin?
Aug 18 16:43:03 <pc-world> I read the half of a bad book and started working
Aug 18 16:43:07 <pc-world> (I hate C/C++)
Aug 18 16:43:10 <PatrickC> and I'm looking more toward a game. not hybrid :)
Aug 18 16:43:14 <pc-world> C/C++ with some libs
Aug 18 16:43:28 <singmajesty> When I wanted to get a hold on C++, I got this book: http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Through-Game-Programming-Second/dp/1598633600
Aug 18 16:43:32 <singmajesty> It really helped me
Aug 18 16:43:35 <pc-world> okay, a game may be more challenging
Aug 18 16:43:42 <singmajesty> Understanding vectors, pointers, structs, etc.
Aug 18 16:44:03 <halfhalo-work> I OWN THAT BOOK
Aug 18 16:44:09 <PatrickC> singmajesty: I do better with online tutorials then books.. :/
Aug 18 16:44:10 <singmajesty> Depending on which direction you want to take, beyond basic understanding of C or C++, you may want to become more familiar with SDL, and/or OpenGL ES
Aug 18 16:44:21 <halfhalo-work> have never, ever, EVER opened it though
Aug 18 16:44:22 <singmajesty> Well, I liked the book because everything was a little game
Aug 18 16:44:34 <singmajesty> Literally, I just sat down, and typed out every game he presented
Aug 18 16:44:37 <pc-world> What I hate on C++ is that I have to mix both C and C++ to get something working, and it isn't real OOP
Aug 18 16:44:40 <PatrickC> singmajesty: does webos support sdl?
Aug 18 16:44:40 <singmajesty> Had 40-50 games at the end of the book
Aug 18 16:44:47 <halfhalo-work> I also had one that was all vb, did run through that book though.  was easy enough
Aug 18 16:44:49 <singmajesty> Then I knew C
Aug 18 16:45:00 <pc-world> and just to concatenate some strings is horror
Aug 18 16:45:06 <singmajesty> SDL is a cross-platform abstraction framework
Aug 18 16:45:07 <pc-world> PatrickC: yes of course
Aug 18 16:45:15 <singmajesty> In webOS, your application runs on top of SDL
Aug 18 16:45:26 <singmajesty> Instead of going lower and talking to hardware specific stuff
Aug 18 16:45:54 <singmajesty> Yeah, when I had to deal with const char* to combine strings, I was like, wha?
Aug 18 16:45:56 <pc-world> I wish we could use Java for plugins
Aug 18 16:46:03 <singmajesty> That's when I realized the C is just plain simple
Aug 18 16:46:15 <PatrickC> pc-world: thats what PuffTheMagic did with wirc
Aug 18 16:46:19 <singmajesty> I kept thinking there was something I didn't know about C. I did know it. I just expected there to be more
Aug 18 16:46:36 <PuffTheMagic> what did I do?
Aug 18 16:46:39 <pc-world> singmajesty: yeah, I often still don't understand why I get thos const char* err msgs, but I get around them somehow
Aug 18 16:46:43 <singmajesty> pc-world: I almost have hybrid stuff working with haxe
Aug 18 16:46:44 <PatrickC> use Java for the plugin
Aug 18 16:46:51 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 18 16:46:52 <PuffTheMagic> no didnt
Aug 18 16:46:56 <singmajesty> pc-world: using C++ strings makes it a lot easier
Aug 18 16:46:57 <PuffTheMagic> wirc never has used java
Aug 18 16:47:01 <PatrickC> and then had something compile it to C
Aug 18 16:47:24 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC: i was pulling your chain the other day
Aug 18 16:47:24 <singmajesty> Hybrid communication in Haxe looks like this:
Aug 18 16:47:34 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: ...
Aug 18 16:47:39 <PuffTheMagic> but u obviously did not realize like every one else
Aug 18 16:47:39 <singmajesty> ExternalInterface.addCallback ("exposedMethodName", internalFunctionCallback);
Aug 18 16:47:40 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 16:47:45 <pc-world> singmajesty: yes, I do it when I can, but I have to use some C libs, including the PDL, that work with standard C strings
Aug 18 16:47:51 <PatrickC> no, I'm still new to coding lol
Aug 18 16:47:53 <singmajesty> ExternalInterface.call ("javascriptMethod", parameter, "parameter");
Aug 18 16:48:01 <pc-world> is HAXE ActionScript?
Aug 18 16:48:06 <sugardave> PatrickC: make Battlefield Earth: The Game in javascript
Aug 18 16:48:14 <twbbas_> PatrickC: Know any good websites for cheap macs?
Aug 18 16:48:25 <PatrickC> twbbas_: craigslist
Aug 18 16:48:32 <twbbas> eh
Aug 18 16:48:34 <twbbas> I don't like cragislist
Aug 18 16:48:35 <PatrickC> would a mac mini be ok?
Aug 18 16:48:42 <twbbas> I always think I'm gonna get murdered
Aug 18 16:48:51 <singmajesty> Every C++ string has a method called c_str() that turns it into a const char*
Aug 18 16:48:53 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 16:49:00 <halfhalo-work> MUUURDUR
Aug 18 16:49:02 <singmajesty> So work with it as a C++ string, then convert at the end
Aug 18 16:49:06 <PuffTheMagic> use C or leave, no C++
Aug 18 16:49:09 <twbbas> my brother once bought something from a guy that was wanted in 20 states
Aug 18 16:49:15 <twbbas> he didn't realize he was wanted until after
Aug 18 16:49:20 <singmajesty> MUCH easier than allocating new memory for concatenating your own const char* arrays
Aug 18 16:49:28 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas: what is green?
Aug 18 16:49:30 <tomhut> PatrickC: mac minis are fine, just make sure you get one with a 9400m or better
Aug 18 16:49:32 <pc-world> singmajesty: that's what I do, I mix C and C++ strings
Aug 18 16:49:34 <singmajesty> Haxe NME is a Flash-like framework
Aug 18 16:49:40 <Tibfib> that sounds dirty
Aug 18 16:49:42 <singmajesty> So the API is basically identical to Flash
Aug 18 16:49:44 <twbbas> PuffTheMagic: huh?
Aug 18 16:49:45 <tomhut> PatrickC: if you are  buying 2nd hand
Aug 18 16:49:47 * halfhalo-work learned js from http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/544755.JavaScript
Aug 18 16:50:03 <singmajesty> In fact, apps will compile to Flash or C targets (Windows, Mac, Linux, webOS, Android, iOS) from the same code, without platform specifics
Aug 18 16:50:05 <pc-world> singmajesty: I don't have any clue of Flash...
Aug 18 16:50:18 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: 3.6 rating
Aug 18 16:50:20 <singmajesty> It's easy to use, and higher level, similar to how Java would be
Aug 18 16:50:22 <Tibfib> no wonder ....
Aug 18 16:50:32 <halfhalo-work> Tibfib: its from 03.  I got it when it was new
Aug 18 16:50:39 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 18 16:50:39 <singmajesty> Though there are people who would argue that Flash is nicer than Java
Aug 18 16:50:39 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas: i meant s/what/was/
Aug 18 16:50:40 <PuffTheMagic> but nm
Aug 18 16:50:40 <pc-world> singmajesty: Possible to communicate with C/C++? I have some C libs I'd need to use
Aug 18 16:51:08 <singmajesty> Yeah, but there should really be an easy to use template for that. Not one yet
Aug 18 16:51:11 <Tibfib> I learned javascript from Head Start: Javascript and w3schools.com
Aug 18 16:51:12 <pc-world> singmajesty: Is HAXE a scripting language or a framework? If a framework, then what's the scripting language?
Aug 18 16:51:14 <singmajesty> You can include C++ code
Aug 18 16:51:16 <Tibfib> (whoops)
Aug 18 16:51:23 <singmajesty> Haxe is a scripting language
Aug 18 16:51:26 <Tibfib> and more recently, javascript the good parts
Aug 18 16:51:31 <twbbas> hmm I could get a nice mac mini for $400
Aug 18 16:51:32 <singmajesty> It is ECMAscript, like Javascript and Actionscript
Aug 18 16:51:37 <tomhut> twbbas: what specs
Aug 18 16:51:52 <singmajesty> NME is a framework for games, that uses a Flash-like API
Aug 18 16:51:53 <PuffTheMagic> i have a PPC mac mini that runs BIP and Git
Aug 18 16:51:56 <pc-world> singmajesty: That sounds good. prototype-based or OOP?
Aug 18 16:52:04 <singmajesty> OOP
Aug 18 16:52:06 <twbbas> tomhut: http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/sys/2535222096.html
Aug 18 16:52:08 <pc-world> nice
Aug 18 16:52:09 <halfhalo-work> mmmm..... powerpc.......
Aug 18 16:52:16 <singmajesty> class, interface, typedef, inline, macro, etc.
Aug 18 16:52:23 <pc-world> wow
Aug 18 16:52:23 <pc-world> is there a libcurl-bridge?
Aug 18 16:52:24 <PatrickC> twbbas_: the one I was gonna direct you to is discontinued :/
Aug 18 16:52:31 <singmajesty> NME has libcurl built-in
Aug 18 16:52:39 <PuffTheMagic> pc-world: bridge?
Aug 18 16:52:56 <singmajesty> var loader = new URLLoader ();
Aug 18 16:52:59 <twbbas> I just need a mac that can run xcode. That's it.
Aug 18 16:53:05 <twbbas> that's all I'll use it for
Aug 18 16:53:06 <singmajesty> loader.addEventListener (Event.COMPLETE, loader_onComplete);
Aug 18 16:53:11 <pc-world> PuffTheMagic: bridge between C and HAXE
Aug 18 16:53:15 <PuffTheMagic> gross, xcode
Aug 18 16:53:17 <singmajesty> loader.load (new URLRequest ("http://www.google.com"));
Aug 18 16:53:23 <PatrickC> twbbas_: willing to spend $600?
Aug 18 16:53:36 <twbbas> PatrickC: $400 or less
Aug 18 16:53:38 <pc-world> singmajesty: I'd need to use functions directly from C
Aug 18 16:53:42 <PatrickC> hrmm....
Aug 18 16:53:44 * halfhalo-work likes xcode.  it installs git for him!
Aug 18 16:53:44 <tomhut> twbbas: good machine for the money
Aug 18 16:53:44 <PatrickC> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/812530-REG/Apple_MC815LL_A_Mac_mini_Desktop_Computer.html
Aug 18 16:53:46 <pc-world> (not just some HTTP requests)
Aug 18 16:53:53 <PatrickC> that's a good deal, comes with Parallels free
Aug 18 16:54:09 <halfhalo-work> ugg, parallels
Aug 18 16:54:13 <singmajesty> Currently, I use Haxe for two main purposes
Aug 18 16:54:20 <halfhalo-work> stupid program has issues with my mouse
Aug 18 16:54:22 <singmajesty> Javascript applications, for Jo, Enyo, etc.
Aug 18 16:54:34 <singmajesty> Web Applications with code completion, error checking, etc.
Aug 18 16:54:42 <singmajesty> Then I use Haxe with NME for compiled games
Aug 18 16:54:48 <twbbas> PatrickC: I want a used one. Preferably one that has a scratch/dent in it but still works.
Aug 18 16:54:49 <singmajesty> SDL, OpenGL ES, etc.
Aug 18 16:54:54 <pc-world> wait, what? You can use Haxefor JS apps? How does this work?
Aug 18 16:55:01 <singmajesty> You write your code in Haxe
Aug 18 16:55:07 <singmajesty> Hit compile, it generates Javascript
Aug 18 16:55:20 <singmajesty> I have "externs" for Enyo so you can get full code-completion on the API
Aug 18 16:55:33 <pc-world> What would Enyo-code look like in Haxe?
Aug 18 16:55:41 <singmajesty> It could look like this:
Aug 18 16:55:51 <singmajesty> { kind: "Button", caption: "Hi!" }
Aug 18 16:55:54 <singmajesty> or like this:
Aug 18 16:56:01 <singmajesty> new Button ( { caption: "Hi" } );
Aug 18 16:56:03 <singmajesty> or like this:
Aug 18 16:56:11 <singmajesty> var button = new Button (); button.caption = "Hi";
Aug 18 16:56:34 <singmajesty> The last example has full code completion
Aug 18 16:56:44 <pc-world> so you can do whole webOS GUI (not SDL) apps with Haxe?
Aug 18 16:56:44 <singmajesty> The second has partial, though soon full in FlashDevelop only
Aug 18 16:56:47 <PatrickC> twbbas_: http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/sys/2550701082.html
Aug 18 16:56:49 <singmajesty> The first does not have code completion
Aug 18 16:56:51 <singmajesty> http://www.joshuagranick.com/blog/2011/08/17/style-matters-for-haxe-js-a-kitchen-sink-enyo-example/
Aug 18 16:57:12 <PatrickC> singmajesty: will your code-completion work in Visual Studio?
Aug 18 16:57:35 <PatrickC> twbbas_: I might call on that one.. seems like what you are looking for
Aug 18 16:57:43 <singmajesty> http://haxe.org/com/ide
Aug 18 16:57:55 <singmajesty> PatrickC: You would be better off giving FlashDevelop a try
Aug 18 16:57:58 <twbbas> PatrickC: lol $1
Aug 18 16:58:09 <twbbas> PatrickC: That's definitely a murder situation
Aug 18 16:58:10 <PatrickC> twbbas_: that's just so it shows up in every search
Aug 18 16:58:14 <singmajesty> FlashDevelop has the best completion of any editor I have used
Aug 18 16:58:15 <PatrickC> tons of people do that
Aug 18 16:58:27 <singmajesty> It supports Haxe out-of-the-box
Aug 18 16:58:40 <PatrickC> twbbas_: they want more then $1
Aug 18 16:58:41 <singmajesty> I am going to try and do a screencast today so that I can show it all in action
Aug 18 16:58:47 <pc-world> singmajesty: Haxe looks very promising! Where to find more out about it?
Aug 18 16:59:00 <singmajesty> Well, there's two different entry points here...
Aug 18 16:59:02 <singmajesty> Javascript or C
Aug 18 16:59:10 <singmajesty> I might suggest, try the Javascript first
Aug 18 16:59:30 <singmajesty> The best place to start is to check out the blog post, install an editor and the compiler, then pop open one of the samples
Aug 18 16:59:36 <pc-world> (webOS SDK 3.0.2 download ready, will try the PDK)
Aug 18 16:59:37 <singmajesty> I have a basic one, and the full Style Matters one
Aug 18 16:59:53 <singmajesty> If you are on Linux, I used a plugin for gedit
Aug 18 16:59:59 <singmajesty> It worked okay, not as nice as FlashDevelop
Aug 18 17:00:11 <singmajesty> There also are plugins for vim, emacs, Eclipse, geany, etc.
Aug 18 17:00:17 <singmajesty> I haven't tried them all
Aug 18 17:00:26 <pc-world> I use geany as normal text editor, and Komodo Edit for webOS dev
Aug 18 17:00:32 <pc-world> (Ubuntu 10.10)
Aug 18 17:00:40 <Tibfib> anyone use google reader's keep unread function a lot?
Aug 18 17:01:11 <pc-world> Tibfib: Is there any option like this? I think it's really annoying that articles get marked as read when I open one
Aug 18 17:01:25 <kevets> the tv at my client today is on financial news and i just saw a thing talking about HP's stock spiking
Aug 18 17:01:28 <Tibfib> pc-world: heh, in nomnomnom or google reader?
Aug 18 17:01:38 <pc-world> Google Reader, as you asked ;)
Aug 18 17:01:40 <pc-world> I have no TP
Aug 18 17:01:43 <kevets> hopefully thats a good sign their numbers are good
Aug 18 17:01:43 <Tibfib> gotcha
Aug 18 17:01:45 <Tibfib> there is a way
Aug 18 17:01:47 <pc-world> on my Pre2 I'm using Feeder
Aug 18 17:01:53 <Tibfib> and I'm trying to figure out how it is supposed to work
Aug 18 17:02:12 <pc-world> but Feeder should have a keep-unread function too
Aug 18 17:02:45 <akanster> http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/18/hp-spinning-pc-business-bloomberg-reports/ - wait, what?
Aug 18 17:02:46 <Tibfib> I think it just doesn't work properly
Aug 18 17:03:36 <Tibfib> sooo keep as unread kind of sucks it looks like
Aug 18 17:03:46 <Tibfib> it should be a manual flag
Aug 18 17:03:48 <Tibfib> but it isn't
Aug 18 17:03:57 <Tibfib> google reader will automatically mark it as read if you view it later
Aug 18 17:04:06 <Tibfib> sooo, I'm not going to bother with that
Aug 18 17:04:15 <Tibfib> you can star stuff to read it later
Aug 18 17:04:53 <pc-world> singmajesty: so is the /opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc a x86 toolchain for Linux?
Aug 18 17:07:00 <singmajesty> That's an ARM toolchain
Aug 18 17:07:05 <singmajesty> for the device
Aug 18 17:07:11 <singmajesty> is there an x86 toolchain?
Aug 18 17:07:22 <singmajesty> You might be able to get away with using g++ for x86 builds
Aug 18 17:07:33 <pc-world> I meant for a x86 PC
Aug 18 17:07:37 <singmajesty> Or you can download Code Sourcery's toolchain if you like
Aug 18 17:07:50 <pc-world> i don't need x86 builds, just i686 and armv7
Aug 18 17:08:02 * pc-world leaving now, wants to eat something :)
Aug 18 17:08:23 <pc-world> singmajesty: Thanks for your assistance, will have a look into Haxe a bit further
Aug 18 17:11:03 <fxspec06> oh my god
Aug 18 17:11:08 <fxspec06> i made the front page at precentral
Aug 18 17:11:10 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 18 17:11:26 <fxspec06> you've got to be shitting me
Aug 18 17:11:27 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/quick-app-clearview
Aug 18 17:11:49 <fxspec06> please, excuse my language
Aug 18 17:13:26 <Tibfib> umm yeah
Aug 18 17:13:33 <Tibfib> I was informed a nomnomnom review was in the works
Aug 18 17:13:34 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 18 17:13:49 <fxspec06> i don't get why they put THAT app on the front page, and not wildn
Aug 18 17:13:52 * fxspec06 facepalm
Aug 18 17:14:11 <Tibfib> +1 this everyone: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17500
Aug 18 17:14:17 <Tibfib> or provide a better solution :)
Aug 18 17:14:58 <Tibfib> anyone have a menu-icon of an eye?
Aug 18 17:15:03 <Tibfib> for marking all as read?
Aug 18 17:15:22 <Tibfib> a check mark could work
Aug 18 17:15:39 <Tibfib> buutttt, an eye would be better
Aug 18 17:16:02 <singmajesty> I use a checkmark for my "Mark as Read" feature
Aug 18 17:16:11 <Tibfib> singmajesty: no confusion?
Aug 18 17:16:23 <Tibfib> I think that's what I'll end up doing
Aug 18 17:16:23 <singmajesty> Not in this case
Aug 18 17:16:31 <Tibfib> I think there might be in mine
Aug 18 17:16:38 <Tibfib> it would be kind of a random button
Aug 18 17:16:41 <singmajesty> I might superimpose the checkmark on top of another icon, like a page with a check mark
Aug 18 17:17:04 <Tibfib> lol, you don't know my photoshop skills
Aug 18 17:17:08 <Tibfib> but that's a good idea
Aug 18 17:18:44 <akanster> Tibfib: glyphish has an eye icon
Aug 18 17:19:00 <Tibfib> ooh
Aug 18 17:19:02 <fxspec06> Tibfib: i would totally +1 that if i knew what you were talking about. but i will soon, i'm gonna be writing a digg app in enyo so i'll probably run into all these problems
Aug 18 17:19:34 <Tibfib> hmm, I think I can make the check mark list icon
Aug 18 17:19:43 <singmajesty> You can always create your own global namespace, right?
Aug 18 17:19:48 <singmajesty> globals = {};
Aug 18 17:19:59 <singmajesty> globals.index = 1;
Aug 18 17:20:07 <singmajesty> globals.coolStuff = "Yes!";
Aug 18 17:20:44 <singmajesty> I guess, the smarter the Enyo factory becomes, the more that code completion melts down :)
Aug 18 17:21:21 <Tibfib> singmajesty: yep, we fake it in spaz hd
Aug 18 17:21:29 <Tibfib> window.AppUtils = {}
Aug 18 17:21:33 <Tibfib> not good
Aug 18 17:21:49 <Tibfib> considering we have to do that means enyo needs to improve
Aug 18 17:21:51 <singmajesty> enyo.globals = {}
Aug 18 17:22:17 <singmajesty> But there already is enyo.application for global stuff, right?
Aug 18 17:22:21 <Tibfib> sure
Aug 18 17:22:28 <Tibfib> but that's not what it is intended for
Aug 18 17:22:33 <singmajesty> I see
Aug 18 17:22:36 <Tibfib> I feel like we're hacking at it to fix a problem in the framework itself
Aug 18 17:22:44 <Tibfib> s/problem/oversight/
Aug 18 17:22:47 <singmajesty> *sigh* I understand that feeling well...
Aug 18 17:22:58 <singmajesty> Enyo is not designed to be written any other way than a big JSON blog
Aug 18 17:23:00 <singmajesty> blob
Aug 18 17:23:01 <singmajesty> hah.
Aug 18 17:23:07 <Tibfib> hah yes
Aug 18 17:23:12 <singmajesty> I think that probably is to make it easier to work with Ares
Aug 18 17:23:21 <singmajesty> But I don't want to work with Ares, personally
Aug 18 17:23:32 <singmajesty> I love having a fast, native editor on my machine
Aug 18 17:23:49 <singmajesty> ...and Javascript basically never has code completion
Aug 18 17:24:10 <singmajesty> But once you do have code completion, you realize you don't always want a big blob
Aug 18 17:25:01 <Tibfib> singmajesty: If I hadn't just restarted with enyo, I'd seriously check out haXe
Aug 18 17:25:17 <Tibfib> I want to develop apps quickly at this point, not figure out how to do so :/
Aug 18 17:25:41 <singmajesty> I'm using this approach to make my first Enyo application
Aug 18 17:25:55 <singmajesty> It has been *great* to be able to learn the API without hunting through documentation
Aug 18 17:26:05 <singmajesty> "enyo." and I can see all the kinds that are available
Aug 18 17:26:10 <Tibfib> that's true
Aug 18 17:26:13 <Tibfib> that'd be slick
Aug 18 17:26:20 <singmajesty> I'll make a screencast today, if I can
Aug 18 17:26:27 <kevets> nice avatar Tibfib, on that palm.com link lol
Aug 18 17:26:30 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 18 17:26:37 <Tibfib> oil_ says he always pictures me as kevin
Aug 18 17:26:46 <Tibfib> even though he's seen real pictures of me
Aug 18 17:27:01 <singmajesty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzKA-vCgPXk
Aug 18 17:27:17 <Tibfib> :)
Aug 18 17:27:34 <Tibfib> huge office fan here
Aug 18 17:27:47 <singmajesty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi6uH1njhNA&feature=related
Aug 18 17:28:03 <kevets> i saw the episode where the new HR lady comes in and thinks he's a mental case the other night
Aug 18 17:28:23 <Tibfib> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv1gHyGb5U&NR=1
Aug 18 17:28:25 <kevets> "I am SO gonna bang her" kills me
Aug 18 17:28:27 <Tibfib> kevets: great one
Aug 18 17:29:38 <singmajesty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35WMHDe2qRQ&feature=related
Aug 18 17:30:28 <Tibfib> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdXX-dmPC5o&feature=related
Aug 18 17:32:02 <Tibfib> and the best of all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0nc5u67QxE&feature=related
Aug 18 17:32:44 <singmajesty> (and easier to hear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9UJfHeSdgY&feature=related)
Aug 18 17:32:52 <singmajesty> Oh, nevermind
Aug 18 17:32:58 <singmajesty> It turned into a dumb song :(
Aug 18 17:33:04 <siestacat_> [2011-08-18 17:05:41] (LunaSysMgr) user.warning: org.webosinternals.navit-maps: Warning: indicated new content, but not active., palmInitFramework347:2527
Aug 18 17:33:05 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 18 17:33:10 <siestacat_> what's that?
Aug 18 17:33:11 <Tibfib> singmajesty: I looked for a while for a good one
Aug 18 17:33:16 <siestacat_> navit won't start
Aug 18 17:33:18 <Tibfib> siestacat_: you can ignore it
Aug 18 17:33:27 <funkatron> yeah, that's not your issue
Aug 18 17:33:32 <Tibfib> funkatron!
Aug 18 17:33:41 <funkatron> hey
Aug 18 17:33:43 <singmajesty> KAHN??!!!
Aug 18 17:33:52 <funkatron> gonna ship this afternoon
Aug 18 17:35:42 <matbee> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/scriptjunkie/archive/2011/08/18/html5-powered-vnc-implementation-novnc-let-s-you-access-remote-systems.aspx
Aug 18 17:35:43 <matbee> :)
Aug 18 17:35:53 <kevets> lol scooping it back into the pot
Aug 18 17:35:54 <singmajesty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bGSKKqn-yk&feature=related
Aug 18 17:35:57 <Tibfib> funkatron: slick
Aug 18 17:36:04 <funkatron> :slick:
Aug 18 17:36:06 <Tibfib> what do you think the cost will be for by sat?
Aug 18 17:36:30 <funkatron> by saturday? probably like $40 at least
Aug 18 17:36:56 <Tibfib> ffffffff
Aug 18 17:37:13 <Tibfib> okay, then just get ground
Aug 18 17:37:16 <funkatron> it will cost me like $20 at least to ship normal ground I bet
Aug 18 17:37:31 <Tibfib> stupid shipping
Aug 18 17:37:39 <siestacat_> Tibfib : navit won't start, I'm screwed, can't ignore it?
Aug 18 17:37:49 <Tibfib> siestacat_: that is not the error you are looking for
Aug 18 17:37:58 <kevets> anyone need a pre plus with a shot modem?
Aug 18 17:38:06 <siestacat_> Tibfib : kk, brb
Aug 18 17:39:06 <kevets> im either gonna try and sell it or make it a full time Stardust machine for my daughter
Aug 18 17:39:06 <siestacat_> [2011-08-18 17:35:40] (LunaSysMgr) user.crit: org.webosinternals.navit-maps: Error: {"errorCode": "ERROR", "errorText": "Invalid file."}, palmInitFramework347:2527
Aug 18 17:39:16 <siestacat_> what about that?
Aug 18 17:39:18 <Tibfib> that looks more relevant
Aug 18 17:39:19 <sugardave> that's probably it
Aug 18 17:39:35 <PatrickC> hey
Aug 18 17:39:55 <PatrickC> kevets: stardust? lol
Aug 18 17:42:36 <kevets> lol yeah my 2 yr old loves that app
Aug 18 17:42:57 <kevets> she calls it the fireworks game
Aug 18 17:44:20 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 18 17:45:10 <PatrickC> c'mon Sourcery G++
Aug 18 17:48:16 <PatrickC> and installed!
Aug 18 17:49:11 <PatrickC> singmajesty is Da bomb!
Aug 18 17:49:25 <singmajesty> You have it working?
Aug 18 17:49:33 <PatrickC> its compiling now
Aug 18 17:49:37 <singmajesty> Sweet
Aug 18 17:49:48 <PatrickC> stuck at the "installing package" part though..
Aug 18 17:49:57 <singmajesty> Do you have a device plugged in?
Aug 18 17:50:05 <PatrickC> I ran the build-device.cmd
Aug 18 17:50:07 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 18 17:50:13 <singmajesty> What is the error?
Aug 18 17:50:22 <PatrickC> it doesn't show one
Aug 18 17:51:26 <kevets> that novnc thing looks sweet
Aug 18 17:51:31 <sugardave> this will surely be fascinating to watch as it unfolds.  alas, I have errands to attend
Aug 18 17:51:33 <PatrickC> novno?
Aug 18 17:51:42 <PatrickC> sugardave: what will?
Aug 18 17:51:48 <PatrickC> novnc*
Aug 18 17:52:08 <Tibfib> sugardave: +1
Aug 18 17:53:18 <kevets> http://kanaka.github.com/noVNC/vnc.html
Aug 18 17:53:35 <kevets> wonder if the webos browser would handle it
Aug 18 17:53:54 <singmajesty> Which sample are you using?
Aug 18 17:53:58 <singmajesty> 01-Getting-Started?
Aug 18 17:54:02 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 18 17:54:08 <singmajesty> Download it again. Should be fixed now
Aug 18 17:54:16 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 18 17:54:40 <singmajesty> I went from ../../ on Linux to "..\..\" on Windows, instead of "..\\..\\"
Aug 18 17:54:56 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 18 17:55:54 <dwc-> now make it a regex string so it can be "\\.\\.\\\\\\.\\.\\\\"
Aug 18 17:56:07 <dwc-> err two too many \\ in the middle
Aug 18 17:56:26 <Tibfib> \-('-')-/
Aug 18 17:56:58 <PatrickC> packaging/installing now
Aug 18 17:58:05 <Jake_M> i'm sorry but THIS: http://twitter.com/#!/mikecane is absolutely ridiculous. i don't know what to do or what to say.
Aug 18 17:58:31 <dwc-> it's twitter. just ignore it?
Aug 18 17:58:34 <Jake_M> i know but
Aug 18 17:58:45 <Jake_M> its not just that
Aug 18 17:58:49 <Jake_M> its precentral too
Aug 18 17:58:51 <PatrickC> singmajesty: still won't install..
Aug 18 17:58:53 <Jake_M> and WOR
Aug 18 17:59:07 <PatrickC> I even went into the dir and did palm-install myself..
Aug 18 17:59:07 <Jake_M> the HP earnings call will tell all today
Aug 18 18:00:14 <Jake_M> sorry to be ignorant but does anyone know what time the earnings call is?
Aug 18 18:00:17 <Jake_M> 2 PM PST?
Aug 18 18:00:22 <dwc-> so wait for the call... and ignore stuff still then
Aug 18 18:00:59 <dwc-> bet hp's website has that info
Aug 18 18:01:04 <dwc-> but that's a good guess
Aug 18 18:01:11 <dwc-> most earnings calls are after close of US markets
Aug 18 18:01:24 <dwc-> so it can't be before 1pm PT
Aug 18 18:02:11 <PatrickC> singmajesty: seems the ipk is broken.. hmm..
Aug 18 18:02:19 <PatrickC> I'll let it run for a bit and see what happens
Aug 18 18:02:47 <Jake_M> PALO ALTO, Calif., Aug 04, 2011 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- HP (NYSE: HPQ) will conduct a live audio webcast of its conference call to review its financial results for the third fiscal quarter ended July 31, 2011.
Aug 18 18:02:47 <Jake_M> The call is scheduled for Thursday, Aug. 18 at 5 p.m. ET/2 p.m. PT and will be available at http://www.hp.com/investor/2011Q3webcast.
Aug 18 18:03:11 <kevets> so we think this Autonomy deal will include all hardware like tablets and phones too?
Aug 18 18:03:15 <kevets> if its all the PSG group stuff
Aug 18 18:03:52 <oilsworkn> whats goin on?
Aug 18 18:03:54 <dwc-> maybe one of these days I should listen to an earnings call for a company I own stock in
Aug 18 18:03:57 <kevets> could this be good for webos?
Aug 18 18:04:03 <Jake_M> uhmm
Aug 18 18:04:15 <kevets> http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/technology/hp_pc_spinoff/
Aug 18 18:04:22 <Jake_M> right
Aug 18 18:04:58 <PatrickC> singmajesty: why do you use ..\\..\\Export instead of ../../Export ?
Aug 18 18:05:22 <singmajesty> Feel free to change it
Aug 18 18:05:26 <singmajesty> I had it all working ...
Aug 18 18:05:27 <Jake_M> so what exactly would be happening with a "spinoff"?
Aug 18 18:05:33 <singmajesty> Then on someone's computer, maybe XP, they had a problem
Aug 18 18:05:33 <PatrickC> I'll try
Aug 18 18:05:42 <Jake_M> just a new "company" owned by HP that makes HP stuff
Aug 18 18:05:44 <singmajesty> So I made a few changes without testing them, since I was on Linux at the time
Aug 18 18:05:44 * oilsworkn hopes webos doesn't get lost in the shuffle :(
Aug 18 18:05:58 <summatusmentis> they made a lot of talk about doubling down on webOS
Aug 18 18:06:03 <kevets> www.autonomy.com is getting hammered right now
Aug 18 18:06:04 <summatusmentis> I expect they won't lose it
Aug 18 18:06:08 <twbbas> making webOS its own company! :p
Aug 18 18:06:11 <kevets> trying to figure out what they're all about
Aug 18 18:06:17 <Jake_M> it is its own company? :S
Aug 18 18:06:29 <oilsworkn> "lets spin it out and call it palm!"
Aug 18 18:06:32 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 18 18:06:34 <Jake_M> genius
Aug 18 18:06:34 <twbbas> haha
Aug 18 18:06:43 <Jake_M> HP announces new spinoff: Palm Inc
Aug 18 18:06:47 <dwc-> it could be spun-off like agilent, or it could just run as a wholly owned subsidiary
Aug 18 18:06:48 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 18 18:06:50 <singmajesty> PalmSource?
Aug 18 18:06:52 <Jake_M> Palm will be selling webOS phones
Aug 18 18:07:06 <Jake_M> wow this is fantastic news for webOS users
Aug 18 18:07:08 <kevets> FacePalm
Aug 18 18:07:10 <Jake_M> Palm is a great company
Aug 18 18:07:11 <tomhut> singmajesty: yes, lets split the os and hardware divisions
Aug 18 18:07:22 <kevets> its the new WebOS Facebook phone!
Aug 18 18:07:43 <summatusmentis> I really would like to see webOS licensed, but I'm skeptical it's gonna happen
Aug 18 18:07:58 <Jake_M> it'd do better than what it is doing
Aug 18 18:08:54 <summatusmentis> isn't this whole spin-off thing just analyst conjecture, currently?
Aug 18 18:09:14 <summatusmentis> as well as the effect that it'll have on webOS
Aug 18 18:10:13 <kevets> yeah
Aug 18 18:10:34 <PatrickC> singmajesty: still didn't work.. hrmm..
Aug 18 18:17:37 <summatusmentis> there's not even any indication that the PSG is getting spun-off
Aug 18 18:17:42 <Tibfib> yay
Aug 18 18:17:45 <Tibfib> mark all as read button works
Aug 18 18:17:50 <tomhut> :D
Aug 18 18:17:51 <summatusmentis> or rather, the webOS Business Group
Aug 18 18:17:54 <Tibfib> and my article list works too
Aug 18 18:18:02 <directhex> that'd make no sense. hp are spending every resource they have, and more besides, on webos
Aug 18 18:19:18 <PatrickC> singmajesty: I think it might be my g++ install that's borked...
Aug 18 18:23:55 <dwc-> wait, what?
Aug 18 18:23:57 <tomhut> I'm off for dinner, later everyone
Aug 18 18:24:00 <dwc-> hp is spending every resource they have?
Aug 18 18:24:08 <dwc-> I better sell my stock then
Aug 18 18:24:17 <dwc-> because if that's the best they can do....
Aug 18 18:34:22 <pc-world> singmajesty: a Haxe screencast would be pretty cool
Aug 18 18:34:41 <pc-world> do you think it's more effective to create an Enyo application in Haxe?
Aug 18 18:57:39 <esser> it's sad that i remember HP buying Compaq as a fairly recent event in my memory
Aug 18 18:57:44 <esser> but it was like 10 *years* ago
Aug 18 18:58:37 <summatusmentis> I remember that too
Aug 18 18:58:47 <summatusmentis> I was upset then as well, I liked Compaq
Aug 18 18:59:20 * akanster <3 the iPaq
Aug 18 19:01:05 <esser> i miss this thing http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html
Aug 18 19:01:20 <linuxjacques> yes, ipaq was my first linux handheld
Aug 18 19:01:30 <dcousineau> I have that silver ipaq around somewhere
Aug 18 19:01:47 <dcousineau> esser: there's a picture of me in diapers leaning on the keyboard of one of those
Aug 18 19:01:51 <dcousineau> actually not that one the portable II i think
Aug 18 19:01:59 <funkatron> that ain't got shit on the SX-64 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_SX-64
Aug 18 19:02:24 <esser> funkatron: i had a 64, and the the 128 Desktop
Aug 18 19:02:30 <dcousineau> haha, looks like an oscilloscope
Aug 18 19:02:32 <esser> dcousineau: i'm the first computer nerd in my family
Aug 18 19:02:43 <dcousineau> esser: my dad technically was
Aug 18 19:02:49 <dcousineau> wel not technically
Aug 18 19:02:52 <esser> http://oldcomputers.net/c128d.html
Aug 18 19:02:54 <esser> that thing ROCKED
Aug 18 19:02:59 <akanster> looks like that thing Will Smith was selling in The Pursuit of Happyness
Aug 18 19:03:27 <dcousineau> heh everything we're linking is older than I am
Aug 18 19:03:37 <Tibfib> akanster: great movie
Aug 18 19:04:10 <akanster> yup
Aug 18 19:10:00 <Tibfib> woot, touchpad case shipped
Aug 18 19:10:13 <Tibfib> will get here before the touchpad. dangit
Aug 18 19:10:49 <twbbas> lulz
Aug 18 19:11:01 <twbbas> have fun folding the flap in and out
Aug 18 19:11:06 <Tibfib> oh I will
Aug 18 19:11:17 <summatusmentis> "In addition, HP reported that it plans to announce that it will discontinue operations for webOS devices, specifically the TouchPad and webOS phones. HP will continue to explore options to optimize the value of webOS software going forward."
Aug 18 19:11:23 <summatusmentis> are we screwed?
Aug 18 19:11:26 <summatusmentis> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110818006301/en/HP-Confirms-Discussions-Autonomy-Corporation-plc-Business
Aug 18 19:11:32 <Tibfib> everyone's screwed eventually
Aug 18 19:11:34 <twbbas> I call a hoax
Aug 18 19:11:39 <twbbas> They are not dumping webOS
Aug 18 19:12:58 <akanster> this does not instill confidence :(
Aug 18 19:13:09 <summatusmentis> well, so either, the article is completely lying
Aug 18 19:13:38 <twbbas> or we should all leave #webos tonight
Aug 18 19:13:49 <summatusmentis> or, they're spinning of PSG, which which will then license webOS?
Aug 18 19:14:02 <twbbas> Only one way to find out!
Aug 18 19:14:17 <twbbas> tminus 1 hr 48 mins
Aug 18 19:14:36 <Tibfib> aww man... if they abandon webos
Aug 18 19:14:39 <Tibfib> I just made a killer app
Aug 18 19:14:41 <Tibfib> lol.
Aug 18 19:14:56 <Tibfib> first one that might actually make me money
Aug 18 19:15:24 <fxspec06> huh, they're leaving webos
Aug 18 19:15:32 <twbbas> raise your hand if you're gonna listen to the earnings call tonight
Aug 18 19:15:35 * twbbas raises hand
Aug 18 19:15:43 * Tibfib will read liveblog
Aug 18 19:15:43 <PatrickC_> what are we raising hands about?
Aug 18 19:15:48 <twbbas> raise your hand if you're gonna listen to the earnings call tonight
Aug 18 19:15:51 <twbbas> that
Aug 18 19:16:03 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: doesn't say they're abandoning webOS
Aug 18 19:16:04 <twbbas> bye Patrick
Aug 18 19:16:15 <summatusmentis> just says devices
Aug 18 19:16:15 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: yeah, just article speculation
Aug 18 19:16:22 <Tibfib> I doubt they will
Aug 18 19:16:25 <fxspec06> wow, all that article says is that they will consider a broad range of options
Aug 18 19:16:26 <Tibfib> but that'd be sucktastic.
Aug 18 19:16:40 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: that's not all the article says
Aug 18 19:17:28 <summatusmentis> that certainly is part of what the article says
Aug 18 19:17:55 <fxspec06> hmm
Aug 18 19:18:00 <fxspec06> business wire
Aug 18 19:18:08 <kevets> maybe this Automation company will hook up one of their OEM partners with some WebOS goodness
Aug 18 19:18:20 <summatusmentis> we might al be screwed
Aug 18 19:18:31 <summatusmentis> now I'm all antsy
Aug 18 19:18:32 <kevets> *autonomy
Aug 18 19:18:34 <fxspec06> look, it says it will discontinue operations for webos devices
Aug 18 19:18:43 <fxspec06> it will continue with software
Aug 18 19:18:51 <fxspec06> this could mean they are making a deal w/ a hardware maker
Aug 18 19:19:01 <fxspec06> a big name, like HTC
Aug 18 19:19:01 <summatusmentis> possibly
Aug 18 19:19:12 <fxspec06> and they will continue pushing the software forward
Aug 18 19:19:17 <fxspec06> i see no reason for anyone to panic
Aug 18 19:19:22 <summatusmentis> but it might also mean they're taking the software and putting it on things that people don't care about
Aug 18 19:19:30 <twbbas> What if they go on the business call and are like "Pre 3 available tomorrow in USA!" and then go "[stingray] available tomorrow as well!" and then "TouchPad GO is coming that same day too!!!"
Aug 18 19:19:34 <fxspec06> it could be that also, it's a wait and see
Aug 18 19:19:38 <Tibfib> twbbas: lol
Aug 18 19:19:47 <twbbas> I would literally start clapping in my house
Aug 18 19:19:49 <NuttyBunny> I just read the announcement... I'm already panicking
Aug 18 19:20:01 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: in some ways you're right, they're not saying DOOMSDAY
Aug 18 19:20:17 <summatusmentis> but they're also not saying WEBOS ON ALL THINGS, AND THEY'LL ALL BE AWESOME
Aug 18 19:20:48 <PatrickC> finally.. wirc decides to work :)
Aug 18 19:20:59 <twbbas> If the future of webOS was a movie, we'd need some Samuel L Jackson to save us.
Aug 18 19:21:11 <PatrickC> yes
Aug 18 19:21:15 <thehodge> http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/18/its-official-hp-kills-off-webos-phones-and-the-touchpad/
Aug 18 19:21:19 <twbbas> wtf
Aug 18 19:21:25 <thehodge> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/08/18/hp-announces-it-will-discontinue-touchpad-stop-webos-device-development/?awesm=tnw.to_1ARB7&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=tnw.to-other&utm_source=t.co&utm_content=spreadus_master
Aug 18 19:21:30 <thehodge> looks to be confirmed
Aug 18 19:21:32 <twbbas> WTF
Aug 18 19:21:34 <twbbas> HP SAID THAT?
Aug 18 19:21:50 <thehodge> indeed
Aug 18 19:21:50 <twbbas> no source?
Aug 18 19:22:00 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 18 19:22:14 <akanster> I am actually in the middle of fixing my Enyo app as these links are popping up
Aug 18 19:22:15 <twbbas> where's the source of HP saying this
Aug 18 19:22:22 <Tibfib> oh come on
Aug 18 19:22:23 <akanster> WTF?
Aug 18 19:22:30 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 18 19:22:32 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 18 19:22:33 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 18 19:22:39 <twbbas> PLEASE HP DON'T DO THIS
Aug 18 19:22:47 <thehodge> you can see why though
Aug 18 19:22:51 <fxspec06> no, i can't
Aug 18 19:22:51 <PatrickC> why won't they load!
Aug 18 19:22:57 <twbbas> Maybe they'll just license it then
Aug 18 19:23:05 <fxspec06> twbbas: that's what i am thinking
Aug 18 19:23:09 <twbbas> they just said that THEY will discontinue
Aug 18 19:23:12 <fxspec06> so we have two hours left
Aug 18 19:23:15 <fxspec06> an hour and a half
Aug 18 19:23:16 <twbbas> omg
Aug 18 19:23:22 <fxspec06> who wants to join my freak-out party?
Aug 18 19:23:33 * akanster joins
Aug 18 19:23:35 <thehodge> they are continuing development of webos
Aug 18 19:23:36 <jweinberg> lol
Aug 18 19:23:39 <thehodge> just not the touchpad or devices
Aug 18 19:23:40 <jweinberg> I JUST started learning WebOS
Aug 18 19:23:42 <jweinberg> oh well...
Aug 18 19:23:49 <summatusmentis> thehodge: nothing says that
Aug 18 19:24:03 <thehodge> HP will continue to explore options to optimize the value of webOS software going forward.
Aug 18 19:24:05 <NuttyBunny> kesne has already left us...
Aug 18 19:24:13 <fxspec06> webos left us about 2 mins ago
Aug 18 19:24:17 <Tibfib> well, should I go wp7 or iOS
Aug 18 19:24:18 <Tibfib> hmmmm
Aug 18 19:24:25 <Tibfib> I don't have a mac to program iOS
Aug 18 19:24:25 <fxspec06> good question tib
Aug 18 19:24:26 <PatrickC> sugardave: say it ain't so!
Aug 18 19:24:29 <akanster> Tibfib: no Android?
Aug 18 19:24:33 <Tibfib> I hate android
Aug 18 19:24:40 <Tibfib> so probably not haha
Aug 18 19:24:44 <akanster> lol
Aug 18 19:24:53 <fxspec06> but the robot is so cute
Aug 18 19:25:03 <akanster> lol my TP is in the mail
Aug 18 19:25:07 <summatusmentis> if webOS dies forever, I'll likely go iOS
Aug 18 19:25:10 <ctladvance> So HP is to stop selling webos
Aug 18 19:25:17 <ctladvance> WoW
Aug 18 19:25:18 <twbbas> If they stop making webOS devices and they don't license it... I'm gonna Frankepre2 on Sprint and stay with it FOREVER
Aug 18 19:25:21 <Tibfib> I'll go iOS probably
Aug 18 19:25:25 <Tibfib> :'(
Aug 18 19:25:32 <fxspec06> i probably will too
Aug 18 19:25:38 <fxspec06> =|
Aug 18 19:25:52 <fxspec06> if it's dead, ios it is
Aug 18 19:25:55 <ctladvance> As i suspected last year webos has been upward
Aug 18 19:26:02 <ctladvance> Ipaqed
Aug 18 19:26:07 <PatrickC> Tibfib: same here
Aug 18 19:26:24 <twbbas> How can they kill the TouchPad when it's only been a month and a half since launch?
Aug 18 19:26:28 <Tibfib> yes yes, ___ called it
Aug 18 19:26:30 <Tibfib> well done
Aug 18 19:26:30 <twbbas> That just doesn't make sense
Aug 18 19:26:39 <thehodge> twbbas:  very very poor sales
Aug 18 19:26:42 <gaurav_> wow
Aug 18 19:26:48 <gaurav_> is this a nightmare?
Aug 18 19:26:49 <gaurav_> someone pinch me
Aug 18 19:26:53 <twbbas> They don't improve the training of Best Buy employees?
Aug 18 19:26:56 <twbbas> They just discontinue it?
Aug 18 19:27:01 <ctladvance> Yep
Aug 18 19:27:10 <twbbas> I hope this is all wrong when the call starts
Aug 18 19:27:13 <ctladvance> Gone like compaq
Aug 18 19:27:16 <ctladvance> Iowa
Aug 18 19:27:18 <fxspec06> omg if this is all wrong
Aug 18 19:27:18 <ctladvance> Ipaq
Aug 18 19:27:38 <ctladvance> Well this sucks
Aug 18 19:27:45 <fxspec06> idk, that was a very bad rhetorical statement
Aug 18 19:27:50 <ctladvance> Can I keep my loaner then?
Aug 18 19:28:00 <fxspec06> ctladvance: really, mine is in the mail
Aug 18 19:28:01 <ctladvance> I can send it back if they want
Aug 18 19:28:05 <akanster> you will be charged full price ctladvance
Aug 18 19:28:07 <fxspec06> i blame oil, he killed webos
Aug 18 19:28:16 <PatrickC> fxspec06: so is my loaner
Aug 18 19:28:18 <Tibfib> It's ALL oil's fault
Aug 18 19:28:26 <NuttyBunny> chuqui: ??
Aug 18 19:28:30 <ctladvance> Ok I'll send it back with best buys 200k touchpads
Aug 18 19:28:31 <PatrickC> akanster: you are charged at developer discount
Aug 18 19:28:34 <oil> :(
Aug 18 19:28:36 <PatrickC> chuqui: HELP!!!
Aug 18 19:28:53 <Tibfib> :'(
Aug 18 19:28:55 <akanster> PatrickC: developer discount on a discontinued device... sure, sign me up
Aug 18 19:28:55 <twbbas> Everyone at Palm is probably freaking out right now
Aug 18 19:29:02 <NuttyBunny> this doesn't make sense
Aug 18 19:29:02 <ctladvance> Webos internals to become iOS internals?
Aug 18 19:29:05 <chuqui> hello?
Aug 18 19:29:10 <summatusmentis> I expect everyone at Palm has been told
Aug 18 19:29:13 <NuttyBunny> chuqui.. help us!
Aug 18 19:29:17 <chuqui> no, actually, we aren't. at least, not that I know of.
Aug 18 19:29:19 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: I don't think so
Aug 18 19:29:21 <fxspec06> chuqi what are we going to do
Aug 18 19:29:36 <twbbas> Should I stop working on my update for my app? :(
Aug 18 19:29:44 <chuqui> okay, what rumor are we working on now?
Aug 18 19:29:47 <funkatron> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/110818b.html
Aug 18 19:29:52 <funkatron> this press release ^^^
Aug 18 19:30:00 <fxspec06> yes, the freaking press release
Aug 18 19:30:05 <Tibfib> "In addition, HP reported that it plans to announce that it will discontinue operations for webOS devices, specifically the TouchPad and webOS phones. HP will continue to explore options to optimize the value of webOS software going forward."
Aug 18 19:30:05 <ctladvance> Oh it's official now as well
Aug 18 19:30:09 <thehodge> and its confirmed
Aug 18 19:30:24 <dcousineau> fuck me sideways
Aug 18 19:30:24 <fxspec06> omg it's official.
Aug 18 19:30:27 <akanster> "HP will continue to explore options to optimize the value of webOS software going forward. "
Aug 18 19:30:29 <NuttyBunny> ouch
Aug 18 19:30:30 <ctladvance> KaBOOM
Aug 18 19:30:32 <kevets> what!
Aug 18 19:30:32 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 18 19:30:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HTC better buy this
Aug 18 19:30:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> NOW
Aug 18 19:30:37 <kevets> oh my
Aug 18 19:30:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> or RIM
Aug 18 19:30:41 <kevets> sell to HTC
Aug 18 19:30:42 <Tibfib> no, not rim
Aug 18 19:30:46 <ctladvance> On the table or in bed
Aug 18 19:30:50 <dwc-> summatusmentis: nobody tells employees first. that's how leaks happen.
Aug 18 19:30:51 <Tibfib> I will leave if RIM buys webOS
Aug 18 19:31:14 <ctladvance> Rim has and
Aug 18 19:31:17 <ctladvance> Qnx
Aug 18 19:31:21 <summatusmentis> dwc-: but they don't warn people on the ground like chuqui?
Aug 18 19:31:23 <kevets> does webos have any patents from the palm days?
Aug 18 19:31:26 <summatusmentis> that seems, awful
Aug 18 19:31:30 <dwc-> summatusmentis: no.
Aug 18 19:31:31 <Tibfib> well, I'm glad I at least got two days worth of sales from NomNomNom
Aug 18 19:31:35 <summatusmentis> kevets: yeah, palm had a buttload of patents
Aug 18 19:31:35 <dcousineau> such bullshit
Aug 18 19:31:37 * PatrickC cries
Aug 18 19:31:37 <Tibfib> glad my months of effort were worth it.
Aug 18 19:31:40 <NuttyBunny> and.. the webos connect events?
Aug 18 19:31:40 <akanster> This feels like a kick in the nuts
Aug 18 19:31:42 <ctladvance> Glad I bought an iPhone ;)
Aug 18 19:31:44 <dwc-> esp wrt merger/acquisitions/etc
Aug 18 19:31:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> this... is the definition of betrayal
Aug 18 19:31:50 <dcousineau> glad I never upgrade my plan
Aug 18 19:31:52 <Tibfib> ctladvance: really, you don't have to be a dick
Aug 18 19:31:52 <kevets> google bought motorola for patents...
Aug 18 19:32:00 <dwc-> that's the sort of thing that can get people in BIG trouble for insider trading
Aug 18 19:32:05 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 18 19:32:07 <dcousineau> though know I have 2 wonderful tablets that will gather dust
Aug 18 19:32:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ctladvance: go die
Aug 18 19:32:07 <summatusmentis> it's important to remember that we don't really have that much information
Aug 18 19:32:13 <summatusmentis> beyond the couple sentences
Aug 18 19:32:15 <kevets> FS: RARE Palm Pre2!!! Collectors item
Aug 18 19:32:26 <twbbas> http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/hp-kills-off-touchpad-and-all-webos-devices.615/#post-6028
Aug 18 19:32:30 <twbbas> Read that, that could happen
Aug 18 19:32:31 <akanster> the eBay resale value of TouchPads just took a plummet
Aug 18 19:32:35 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> I'm not gonna miss this...
Aug 18 19:32:35 <dcousineau> seriously though they just dropped the goddamned touchpad
Aug 18 19:32:39 <Tibfib> Adora: :'(
Aug 18 19:32:41 <NuttyBunny> Adora!!!!!!!!!! helpp!
Aug 18 19:32:46 <Codhisattva> wtf http://allthingsd.com/20110818/breaking-hp-makes-big-shift-on-webos-exiting-hardware-business/
Aug 18 19:32:58 <thehodge> yep Codhisattva
Aug 18 19:33:05 <chuqui> This is all new. Learning it as everyone else is. so hang loose. I'm looking to see what details I can get.
Aug 18 19:33:06 <Tibfib> can people not assume we are talking about this?
Aug 18 19:33:17 * dcousineau gives chuqui a virtual hug
Aug 18 19:33:20 <fxspec06> what is happening...........
Aug 18 19:33:21 <ctladvance> This is sad
Aug 18 19:33:23 * Tibfib joins dcousineau
Aug 18 19:33:28 <NuttyBunny> Thanks chuqui
Aug 18 19:33:31 <summatusmentis> dwc-: you win, chuqui didn't know either
Aug 18 19:33:31 * twbbas makes it a group hug
Aug 18 19:33:32 <kevets> open source WebOS and license it out like android
Aug 18 19:33:35 <akanster> yeah, hang in there Palm guys :(
Aug 18 19:33:36 <fxspec06> i'm probably going to cry all night
Aug 18 19:33:36 * PatrickC joins dcousineau and Tibfib 
Aug 18 19:33:37 <chuqui> I don't think this is anything negative on webOS. '
Aug 18 19:33:40 <chuqui> honestly.
Aug 18 19:33:40 <ctladvance> This throws a wrench in my tablet plans
Aug 18 19:33:45 <twbbas> http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/hp-kills-off-touchpad-and-all-webos-devices.615/#post-6028
Aug 18 19:33:48 <twbbas> Look at it that way
Aug 18 19:33:58 <Tibfib> I'm okay with licensing
Aug 18 19:33:59 <twbbas> HP could make a spinoff company that makes webOS devices instead of HP itself
Aug 18 19:34:01 <Tibfib> but that still sucks
Aug 18 19:34:08 <dcousineau> chuqui: do us a favor and do what you can to spin enyo out and into an OSS license so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle
Aug 18 19:34:14 <Tibfib> YEAH!
Aug 18 19:34:16 <akanster> chuqui: You guys need a post on the developer blog to assure us.  It feels like the sky is falling
Aug 18 19:34:19 <kevets> WebOS is too good to just disappear
Aug 18 19:34:27 <twbbas> +1
Aug 18 19:34:36 <NuttyBunny> +1 akanster
Aug 18 19:34:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> +1
Aug 18 19:34:39 <kevets> HP literally didn't know what to do with it
Aug 18 19:34:47 <NuttyBunny> I'm starving and I don't want to leave...
Aug 18 19:34:48 <dcousineau> there's still hope, enyo is pretty badass
Aug 18 19:35:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I had hope that HP wasn't a stupid, uninspired company
Aug 18 19:35:11 <Tibfib> urghh, I don't want to go iOS
Aug 18 19:35:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> guess I was wrong
Aug 18 19:35:13 <dcousineau> kevets: and it sucks too cause Google threw us a bone by fracturing the android market with its motoroal purchase
Aug 18 19:35:14 <Tibfib> it would be so frustrating
Aug 18 19:35:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I won't go to iOS
Aug 18 19:35:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm going WP7
Aug 18 19:35:31 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: hang in there, I don't think we need to jump to that conclusion yet
Aug 18 19:35:32 <Tibfib> WP7 would have the same growing pains as webOS, which I'm kind of tired of
Aug 18 19:35:35 <kevets> yeah the door is open for a good competitor to come in
Aug 18 19:35:43 <kevets> Microsoft is getting their shit together
Aug 18 19:35:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the biggest thing that sucks is that all of us won't be a community anymore
Aug 18 19:35:50 <Tibfib> :'(
Aug 18 19:35:52 <summatusmentis> I'm really hopeful of licensing
Aug 18 19:35:54 <NuttyBunny> we will stay in webOS until we know exactly what's going to happen
Aug 18 19:35:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same
Aug 18 19:35:58 <summatusmentis> but I suppose we'll see
Aug 18 19:35:58 <fxspec06> i am too summatusmentis
Aug 18 19:36:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'll even take SAMSUNG at this point
Aug 18 19:36:09 <Tibfib> I wonder where the wosi guys will go
Aug 18 19:36:12 <summatusmentis> they need to announce licensing soon though
Aug 18 19:36:14 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD: that would be even better than HTC
Aug 18 19:36:15 <chuqui> akanster:  working on it. stay tuned.
Aug 18 19:36:16 <Tibfib> If rod goes wp7, I'll go wp7
Aug 18 19:36:20 <fxspec06> but less likely
Aug 18 19:36:25 <PatrickC> same here
Aug 18 19:36:26 <dwc-> ok, I need to stop looking at this channel or I won't get anything done today
Aug 18 19:36:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, it'd be worse, because all of Samsung's stuff is plastic shit
Aug 18 19:36:33 <NuttyBunny> dwc-, same here :P
Aug 18 19:36:37 <ctladvance> I am shocked I think I blame the CEO
Aug 18 19:36:44 <PuffTheMagic> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Aug 18 19:36:44 <ctladvance> Not oil this time
Aug 18 19:36:45 <DraX> wow, touchpad issues wOSBrowser in user-agent, pre3 sends webOSBrowser
Aug 18 19:36:46 <DraX> fail
Aug 18 19:36:52 <chuqui> more info is coming. My suggestion is everyone just try to not freak too much until we can get that info released.
Aug 18 19:37:03 <Tibfib> kk
Aug 18 19:37:04 <Tibfib> thanks
Aug 18 19:37:04 <funkatron> thanks chuqui
Aug 18 19:37:11 <ctladvance> Boo
Aug 18 19:37:14 <fxspec06> is there a webos-moralSupport channel
Aug 18 19:37:15 <ctladvance> Boom
Aug 18 19:37:17 <akanster> thanks chuqui
Aug 18 19:37:17 <twbbas> I will be listening to the HP earnings call
Aug 18 19:37:22 <ctladvance> Sanding has licensed webos
Aug 18 19:37:26 <ctladvance> Sanding
Aug 18 19:37:28 <ctladvance> Ugh
Aug 18 19:37:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Sanding?
Aug 18 19:37:35 <NuttyBunny> thanks chuqui , that's the same thing I say, we stay put till you tell us to really freak out :D
Aug 18 19:37:36 <Tibfib> Samsung?
Aug 18 19:37:41 <summatusmentis> thanks for the info chuqui
Aug 18 19:37:42 <ctladvance> Samsung
Aug 18 19:37:48 <Tibfib> welll, I don't really feel like coding anymore
Aug 18 19:37:50 <fxspec06> thanks chuqi
Aug 18 19:37:50 <Tibfib> hmmmmm
Aug 18 19:37:55 <fxspec06> samsung has?
Aug 18 19:37:56 <ctladvance> Ugh iOS auto fix... Must shut it off
Aug 18 19:38:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you can still have your $5, Tibfib
Aug 18 19:38:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-(
Aug 18 19:38:08 <ctladvance> I hope that's the news
Aug 18 19:38:15 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: :'(
Aug 18 19:38:20 <summatusmentis> well, so, next question is, will the new device makers be on sprint?
Aug 18 19:38:22 <ctladvance> It would be good
Aug 18 19:38:23 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib, keep doing so until chuqui says otherwise :)
Aug 18 19:38:24 <Codhisattva> Samsung has their own mobile OS project
Aug 18 19:38:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Bada
Aug 18 19:38:30 <twbbas> omg is rwhitby sleeping right now? He's gonna wake up to this mess....
Aug 18 19:38:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and it SUCKS
Aug 18 19:38:32 <ctladvance> Bada?
Aug 18 19:38:33 <ctladvance> Ha
Aug 18 19:38:37 <fxspec06> i really need to like, go out and run or something right now
Aug 18 19:38:42 <fxspec06> or drink a gallon of vodka
Aug 18 19:38:51 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: some one has to wake him up ;)
Aug 18 19:38:53 <dcousineau> I mean I was excited for the pre 3
Aug 18 19:38:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec, Boston for drinks tonight?
Aug 18 19:39:01 <fxspec06> too far away
Aug 18 19:39:03 <fxspec06> no money
Aug 18 19:39:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dammit
Aug 18 19:39:04 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: Hop across the ocean and wake him
Aug 18 19:39:05 <leiru> errm
Aug 18 19:39:12 <summatusmentis> twbbas: he'll wake up to more information
Aug 18 19:39:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
Aug 18 19:39:17 <summatusmentis> and the full picture
Aug 18 19:39:17 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yep
Aug 18 19:39:22 <dcousineau> but I can't justify buying it when my contract is up
Aug 18 19:39:28 <Tibfib> dcousineau: same
Aug 18 19:39:40 * Tibfib starts browsing wp7 phones
Aug 18 19:39:53 <fxspec06> my contract is up in september
Aug 18 19:39:53 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: In fact I hope our cries and laments will reach him in no time... we'll be tormenting him in his dreams and he'll wake up ;)
Aug 18 19:39:57 <dcousineau> Tibfib: I would say ew but msft has been good on devrel
Aug 18 19:39:59 <ctladvance> chuqui: Does HP want their dev loaner devices back now
Aug 18 19:40:04 <akanster> haha
Aug 18 19:40:04 <summatusmentis> the thing is, all the cool stuff about webOS 3.0 is dependent on the hardware stuff
Aug 18 19:40:04 <leiru> okay guy, i'll need a beer
Aug 18 19:40:08 <PatrickC> I hope not
Aug 18 19:40:14 <PuffTheMagic> they should give out more loaner devices
Aug 18 19:40:14 <summatusmentis> and the hardware stuff is no longer being done by HP
Aug 18 19:40:15 <Tibfib> dcousineau: I can't decide to go iOS or WP7
Aug 18 19:40:22 <PatrickC> iOS
Aug 18 19:40:27 <Tibfib> iOS sucks, and WP7 sucks for other reasons
Aug 18 19:40:29 <twbbas> #webOS may start trending today
Aug 18 19:40:31 <dcousineau> Tibfib: honestly I'll jump to iOS
Aug 18 19:40:32 <twbbas> for the first time
Aug 18 19:40:33 <mikedg> :(
Aug 18 19:40:35 <fxspec06> for the first time
Aug 18 19:40:36 * oil will use his pre- till it turns to dust in his hands
Aug 18 19:40:39 <akanster> and to think, some people dropped $500 on these less than a month ago!
Aug 18 19:40:42 <dcousineau> Tibfib: I mean fuck, noone else can compete :(
Aug 18 19:40:57 <Tibfib> dcousineau: same, I dunno
Aug 18 19:41:13 <summatusmentis> akanster: like me
Aug 18 19:41:20 <PatrickC> haha we have 134 people :P
Aug 18 19:41:27 <twbbas> WEBOS IS TRENDING
Aug 18 19:41:30 <Tibfib> I'll probably buy the iPhone 5 if this happens
Aug 18 19:41:35 <thehodge> heh
Aug 18 19:41:41 <Tibfib> screw you, twitter
Aug 18 19:41:41 <thehodge> I've got a dev one
Aug 18 19:41:49 <thehodge> but the app store still only has 1 app
Aug 18 19:41:51 <kevets> oh snap
Aug 18 19:41:54 <dgathright> :(
Aug 18 19:42:03 * kevets hopes WebOS doesn't become more of a laughingstock
Aug 18 19:42:06 <kevets> ehh
Aug 18 19:42:07 <PatrickC> thehodge: a dev what? iPhone 5?
Aug 18 19:42:15 <thehodge> HP tablet
Aug 18 19:42:15 <twbbas> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/webostrending.png
Aug 18 19:42:19 <oil> appstore dies, preware keeps going
Aug 18 19:42:20 <chuqui> ctladvance:  no. no changes there.
Aug 18 19:42:27 <thehodge> HP ran a hack day in england about 2 months ago PatrickC
Aug 18 19:42:27 <summatusmentis> kevets: too late, at this point
Aug 18 19:42:40 <thehodge> and the prize was a tablet
Aug 18 19:42:48 <kevets> yeah summa... its been that way for a while lol
Aug 18 19:42:50 <thehodge> but we've never got it showing apps in the store
Aug 18 19:42:58 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 18 19:43:00 <kevets> its always an explanation when i tell people i use a pre
Aug 18 19:43:07 <Tibfib> after thinking for sooo long, "just wait, we'll get there"
Aug 18 19:43:08 <Tibfib> :(
Aug 18 19:43:13 <kevets> like "no, really, it's good!"
Aug 18 19:43:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-(
Aug 18 19:43:20 <PatrickC> kevets: same here
Aug 18 19:43:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HP betrayed us
Aug 18 19:43:23 <PatrickC> :'(
Aug 18 19:43:28 <millenomi> the news is so stupid it's not even funny.
Aug 18 19:43:31 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> how we couldn't make webOS trend on Feb 9 but now it is??
Aug 18 19:43:32 <PatrickC> if this happens..
Aug 18 19:43:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> especially as developers
Aug 18 19:43:34 <millenomi> that is all.
Aug 18 19:43:36 <summatusmentis> we don't know that HP betrayed us
Aug 18 19:43:36 * PatrickC kicks HP
Aug 18 19:43:56 <summatusmentis> we only know that HP isn't planning to continue it's own hardware business
Aug 18 19:44:10 <dcousineau> they better announced goddamned quickly
Aug 18 19:44:15 <twbbas> "hp is also discontinuing operations for its laptop, desktop and server devices.its called a hardware spinoff company"
Aug 18 19:44:18 <dcousineau> WebOS as much as we love it is fragile
Aug 18 19:44:20 <kevets> Apple Pre4
Aug 18 19:44:23 <kevets> ugh
Aug 18 19:44:30 <PatrickC> ugh.. I'm gonna eat lunch
Aug 18 19:44:30 <uncola> how are you guys holding up?
Aug 18 19:44:32 <PatrickC> bbl
Aug 18 19:44:32 <dcousineau> it's been shifted around too much
Aug 18 19:44:34 <uncola> I just heard the news
Aug 18 19:44:36 <uncola> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/h-p-discontinues-webos-handsets-tablets-2011-08-18
Aug 18 19:44:37 <PatrickC> NOT GOOD uncola
Aug 18 19:44:40 <dcousineau> uncola: :|
Aug 18 19:44:40 <PatrickC> not good!
Aug 18 19:44:45 <uncola> :/
Aug 18 19:44:52 <kevets> uncola: the prayer circle is to your left
Aug 18 19:44:55 <kevets> lol
Aug 18 19:45:02 <uncola> now I actually feel GOOD about buying my blackberry playbook at full price
Aug 18 19:45:11 <summatusmentis> I'm expecting either hardware spinoff, or licensing
Aug 18 19:45:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> get out of here
Aug 18 19:45:12 <Draecos> ok . so i've just logged on to find out webOS is deaded
Aug 18 19:45:15 <Draecos> ?
Aug 18 19:45:19 <Tibfib> looks like it
Aug 18 19:45:23 <summatusmentis> no
Aug 18 19:45:25 <summatusmentis> no it doesn
Aug 18 19:45:27 <summatusmentis> doesn't
Aug 18 19:45:32 <Tibfib> it kinda does
Aug 18 19:45:34 <kevets> someone has to swoop in and help out
Aug 18 19:45:37 <ctladvance> It is for now
Aug 18 19:45:38 <kevets> could HTC buy WebOS
Aug 18 19:45:41 <summatusmentis> it looks like, as of now, hardware is not being made by HP
Aug 18 19:45:43 <kevets> like they bought 51% of beats
Aug 18 19:45:46 <matbee> this is awesome
Aug 18 19:45:46 <twbbas> HP could be making a spinoff hardware company that handles all of their hardware
Aug 18 19:45:53 <matbee> this means that I can get a cheap touchpad!
Aug 18 19:45:54 <matbee> !!!
Aug 18 19:45:54 <Draecos> that would be good
Aug 18 19:45:58 <ctladvance> Maybe in 1 year we will get a samsung or htc
Aug 18 19:46:01 <Draecos> so would HTC being webOS bitches
Aug 18 19:46:02 <matbee> plummet prices, PLUMMET!
Aug 18 19:46:04 <Tibfib> matbee: wonderful!
Aug 18 19:46:07 <Tibfib> :/
Aug 18 19:46:07 <linuxjacques> HP should spinoff webos and call the spinoff palm
Aug 18 19:46:12 <Draecos> :)
Aug 18 19:46:17 <twbbas> linuxjacques: jokes already been done lol
Aug 18 19:46:19 <matbee> im so happy haha
Aug 18 19:46:20 <linuxjacques> damn
Aug 18 19:46:25 <kevets> I still think Facebook should buy WebOS so they can make the FacePalm
Aug 18 19:46:25 <linuxjacques> I haven't read all the backlog
Aug 18 19:46:28 <twbbas> s/jokes/joke's
Aug 18 19:46:30 <akanster> lol @ fzammetti - http://twitter.com/#!/fzammetti/status/104277047727235073
Aug 18 19:46:43 <linuxjacques> HP should opensource webos
Aug 18 19:46:53 <linuxjacques> (that's not a joke)
Aug 18 19:46:57 <matbee> just give me a cheap touchpad, amen.
Aug 18 19:46:59 <kevets> lol akanster
Aug 18 19:47:18 <kevets> that post + his background pic is great
Aug 18 19:47:54 <chuqui> hey, guys. I'm going to have to sign off for some meetings soon. will be back later. hang on, we'll get you details as soon as wel can on what this means.
Aug 18 19:48:02 <akanster> good luck
Aug 18 19:48:04 <ctladvance> They will prob regret this move, hardware is a stable income source, ESP when your software sucks
Aug 18 19:48:06 <fxspec06> thank you chuq
Aug 18 19:48:14 <Tibfib> chuqui: thanks
Aug 18 19:48:15 <Draecos> gl Chuqui
Aug 18 19:48:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> gl chuqui
Aug 18 19:48:24 <fxspec06> good luck, we love you regardless
Aug 18 19:48:25 <Tibfib> chuqui: best of luck to all at hp
Aug 18 19:48:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> +1 fxspec06
Aug 18 19:48:31 <Tibfib> you've been awesome :)
Aug 18 19:48:31 <twbbas> chuqui: Thank youy.
Aug 18 19:48:35 <twbbas> chuqui: Thank you.
Aug 18 19:48:37 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Thanks chuqui !!
Aug 18 19:48:41 <summatusmentis> chuqui: thanks, we'll all be waiting with bated breath
Aug 18 19:48:55 <chuqui> thanks, all. I have no idea what the details are, but honestly? I don't think this is bad for webOS.
Aug 18 19:48:57 <Draecos> guess it all makes sense now why there hasnt been all this hard marketing push of late
Aug 18 19:49:09 <Tibfib> chuqui: better get that info out there soon
Aug 18 19:49:20 <PatrickC> chuqui: thanks
Aug 18 19:49:20 <chuqui> I'll be back with info when I have it.
Aug 18 19:49:30 <PatrickC> thanks!
Aug 18 19:49:34 <dcousineau> chuqui: if you're ever in Dallas I'll buy you a beer.
Aug 18 19:49:35 <Draecos> tbh id be more than happy with someone like HTC taking on the hardware
Aug 18 19:49:35 * Tibfib meant the "not bad" part
Aug 18 19:49:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> chuqui: if you're ever in Boston I'll buy you a house
Aug 18 19:49:50 <dcousineau> Draecos: that was the original hope when palm was up for sale
Aug 18 19:49:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 18 19:49:52 <chuqui> (and I'm at chuq@palm.com, if you need to catch me by email for some reason)
Aug 18 19:49:54 <rwatkins_> thx, n good luck.  gonna be an interesting nyc dev meetup in 2 hrs.
Aug 18 19:49:58 <chuqui> back later.
Aug 18 19:50:06 <muesli> bummer
Aug 18 19:50:08 <dcousineau> rwatkins_: oh shit haha :|
Aug 18 19:50:14 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/fakeprecentral/status/104276828876845056
Aug 18 19:50:16 <dcousineau> how auspicious having the meetup today
Aug 18 19:50:16 <Draecos> dcousineau, yer i know
Aug 18 19:50:29 <Tibfib> rwatkins: oh dang
Aug 18 19:50:37 <dcousineau> Draecos: would like to see it happen, it may still happen what with google's blunder
Aug 18 19:50:41 <dcousineau> you know what
Aug 18 19:50:43 <singmajesty> "HP will consider a broad range of options that may include, among others, a full or partial separation of PSG from HP through a spin-off or other transaction."
Aug 18 19:50:47 <dcousineau> I'm convinced Steve Jobs is a wizard
Aug 18 19:50:50 <Draecos> i think it would be a good buy
Aug 18 19:50:53 <singmajesty> "HP reported that it plans to announce that it will discontinue operations for webOS devices"
Aug 18 19:51:02 <dcousineau> and he needed to be the largest market cap company to cast his ultimate spell
Aug 18 19:51:04 <rwatkins_> well that was a fun, but brief ride.  time to seel the patents and close shop i bet.
Aug 18 19:51:06 <singmajesty> "HP will continue to explore options to optimize the value of webOS software"
Aug 18 19:51:11 <dcousineau> "Mine Comeptitorsus Becomeus Stupidus"
Aug 18 19:51:29 <linuxjacques> HP, do one good thing and opensource webos
Aug 18 19:51:29 <singmajesty> What we are seeing is that webOS devices will not be under the HP brand
Aug 18 19:51:37 <HattCzech_work> sooo... uhhh... what's with the engadget article?
Aug 18 19:51:39 <singmajesty> However, there may be a spin-off company
Aug 18 19:51:44 <ctladvance> They must have a device manufacturer ready to go
Aug 18 19:51:46 <singmajesty> Either way, webOS software is still in play
Aug 18 19:51:49 <ziplock503> wtf hp!!! :(
Aug 18 19:51:50 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: all we know for sure is that HP is not making devices
Aug 18 19:51:52 <kevets> lets hope so
Aug 18 19:51:53 <dcousineau> it's like stupid is a venerial disease and all of apple competitors have been doing it under the bleachers in a calilgula-esque orgy
Aug 18 19:51:56 <matbee> webos software is the beezneeez
Aug 18 19:51:58 <twbbas> lmao: https://twitter.com/#!/fakeprecentral/status/104276828876845056
Aug 18 19:51:58 <kevets> someone that can pump out more devices
Aug 18 19:51:59 <ctladvance> Mm toast
Aug 18 19:52:02 <twbbas> oops
Aug 18 19:52:14 <twbbas> I meant this: https://twitter.com/#!/zhephree/status/104278109116833792
Aug 18 19:52:14 <singmajesty> I remember when Palm was potentially going to be purchased...
Aug 18 19:52:22 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: spinoff is possible, or licensing is possible
Aug 18 19:52:26 <singmajesty> How many people wanted Palm to be purchased by HTC or another company, because of hardware
Aug 18 19:52:32 <Draecos> so given HP is tradionally a hw co... why spin off the hw and by sw?
Aug 18 19:52:36 <singmajesty> We will see what the next announcement holds
Aug 18 19:52:37 <ziplock503> htc webos with beats???
Aug 18 19:52:44 <twbbas> I think the most likely thing is that HP is making a spinoff company for all of its hardware, including hardware for webOS devices.
Aug 18 19:52:49 <singmajesty> Either way, webOS as an operating system is still in play
Aug 18 19:52:49 <uncola> I still think if RIM should have bought palm
Aug 18 19:52:59 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: to an extent, yes
Aug 18 19:53:00 <singmajesty> Potentially with greater hardware support
Aug 18 19:53:02 <qillerneu> :-\ Can we at least have open source enyo now?
Aug 18 19:53:05 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> twbbas: yes, they'll call it Palm
Aug 18 19:53:06 <singmajesty> We will see
Aug 18 19:53:09 <Hendikins> My crystal ball is in the shop, so I'm not making any predictions.
Aug 18 19:53:19 <summatusmentis> but spinoff/licensing needs to be announced soon, otherwise webOS is in limbo
Aug 18 19:53:21 <ziplock503> bbm on webos yummy
Aug 18 19:53:25 <dcousineau> either they have no intentions or they are just plain fucking stupid in their announcement then, singmajesty. They could have left some details giving the comunity hope instead of causing the major uprorar
Aug 18 19:53:33 <dcousineau> *uproar
Aug 18 19:53:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HP stock is down nearly 7%... suck on that
Aug 18 19:53:46 <dcousineau> we're killing all webos devices
Aug 18 19:53:47 <singmajesty> Remember that this announcement comes alongside the HP quarterly earnings
Aug 18 19:53:50 <dcousineau> oh by the way we MIGHT do something
Aug 18 19:54:00 <linuxjacques> if webos is to survive, it cannot have another lost year of development
Aug 18 19:54:05 <dcousineau> no it can't
Aug 18 19:54:08 <linuxjacques> like it did during the HP acquisition
Aug 18 19:54:08 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: except that it occurred before
Aug 18 19:54:14 <dcousineau> frankly the dev community is too small
Aug 18 19:54:25 <dcousineau> webos can ill afford a migration
Aug 18 19:54:31 <ctladvance> HP could suffer worse if the economy tanks and they can't afford to buy Corp software... Google almost failed
Aug 18 19:54:45 <twbbas> these next 68 mins can not come fast enough
Aug 18 19:54:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> aaaaaaand HPQ keeps on tanking
Aug 18 19:54:50 <rwatkins_> kill the product sell the patents and make a profit.  looks good from their side.
Aug 18 19:55:13 <funkatron> hey, where are the #webos channel logs
Aug 18 19:55:16 <fxspec06> hp stock is going down, down, in an earlier round
Aug 18 19:55:23 <ctladvance> Bluechip owners must need a quick buck then
Aug 18 19:55:25 <oil> funkatron: in the topid
Aug 18 19:55:27 <oil> c
Aug 18 19:55:31 <fxspec06> and they didn't even go down swinging
Aug 18 19:56:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they went down looking, shying away from the pitch
Aug 18 19:56:11 <summatusmentis> is the earnings call a place where other decisions would be announcd?
Aug 18 19:56:13 <summatusmentis> announced*
Aug 18 19:56:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> possibly
Aug 18 19:56:43 <summatusmentis> because this whole "in limbo" thing makes me nervous
Aug 18 19:56:46 <ctladvance> We would have heard by now though
Aug 18 19:56:51 <ctladvance> Generally
Aug 18 19:56:52 <funkatron> oil: thx, derp.
Aug 18 19:57:13 <ziplock503> this is crazy
Aug 18 19:57:26 <summatusmentis> ctladvance: you think it would have come up alongside "we're not making webOS devices anymore"?
Aug 18 19:57:28 <akanster> so this might be the last time we share laughs in here...
Aug 18 19:57:41 <ziplock503> gasp
Aug 18 19:57:50 * oil will be here loling tomorrow
Aug 18 19:57:52 <summatusmentis> guys, if chuq is optimistic, I'm willing to reserve judgement
Aug 18 19:57:56 <Tibfib> oil: haha.
Aug 18 19:57:58 <ctladvance> All I am saying is that if it did we would have heard it by now
Aug 18 19:58:14 <Tibfib> not necessarily
Aug 18 19:58:23 <oil> if i had a blog my top story would be "nomnomnom kills webos"
Aug 18 19:58:27 <ryaxnb> :(
Aug 18 19:58:34 <kevets> www.precentral.net blew up it looks like
Aug 18 19:58:34 <twbbas> oil: hahahaha
Aug 18 19:58:35 <rwatkins_> "eats webos"
Aug 18 19:58:35 <akanster> blame Tibfib
Aug 18 19:58:36 <fxspec06> EVERYONE RETWEET THIS
Aug 18 19:58:37 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/KingNoso11/status/104279585113378816
Aug 18 19:58:37 <ryaxnb> webOS is dead :(
Aug 18 19:58:40 <Draecos> im just going to eat iced buns and drink beer
Aug 18 19:58:46 <Draecos> this will be fine
Aug 18 19:58:50 <ryaxnb> does anyone know why engadget is down
Aug 18 19:58:56 <Draecos> slight distrubance in the force, nothing else
Aug 18 19:59:04 <fxspec06> ryaxnb: because webos is bringing everything down right now.......
Aug 18 19:59:05 <Hendikins> I must say though, I'm rather unimpressed. I buy a gadget, and a week later this happens.
Aug 18 19:59:11 <summatusmentis> ryaxnb: NOTHING has said that webOS is dead
Aug 18 19:59:12 <twbbas> Tibfib: NomNomNom eats the HP TouchPad.
Aug 18 19:59:22 <ryaxnb> fxspec06, really?
Aug 18 19:59:22 <Tibfib> sorry guys :(
Aug 18 19:59:23 <ctladvance> fxspec06: I was thinking the same
Aug 18 19:59:32 <ctladvance> Get them into your profile
Aug 18 19:59:35 <ryaxnb> is webos really big enough news to bring down Engadget?
Aug 18 19:59:36 <ziplock503> what time is the next news?
Aug 18 19:59:37 <akanster> Dieter left PreCentral on time
Aug 18 19:59:47 <twbbas> ryaxnbn: webOS is trending on Twitter.
Aug 18 19:59:53 <ctladvance> Yes he did
Aug 18 19:59:55 <ryaxnb> huh
Aug 18 20:00:02 * summatusmentis stops participating until we have more info
Aug 18 20:00:06 <twbbas> ryaxnb: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/webostrending.png
Aug 18 20:00:11 <fxspec06> ryaxnb: i've seen engadget go down from ios news
Aug 18 20:00:21 <ctladvance> They will sell so many touchpads and come out and say just kidding
Aug 18 20:00:27 <kevets> engadget works here
Aug 18 20:00:27 <fxspec06> it wouldn't surprise me if webos has become big enough to bring down major sites
Aug 18 20:00:31 <ctladvance> Twitter trend joke
Aug 18 20:00:52 <ryaxnb> nothing compared to osama bin laden being dead
Aug 18 20:01:08 <ryaxnb> funnily enough, i originally typed it like this: Nothing compare to barrack obama being dead
Aug 18 20:01:12 <ryaxnb> damn similar names
Aug 18 20:01:15 <Draecos> slight disturbance in the force, nothing else
Aug 18 20:01:47 <summatusmentis> yeah, Obama as a last name and Osama as a first name make the two names incredibly similar
Aug 18 20:01:50 <summatusmentis> don't be stupid
Aug 18 20:01:52 <Draecos> got to remain optimistic - please dont make me go to android
Aug 18 20:01:52 <twbbas> Omg: Look at the other trending topics.... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/webostrending2.png
Aug 18 20:02:04 <ryaxnb> i like android
Aug 18 20:02:16 <Draecos> me 2 but i prefer webOS :)
Aug 18 20:02:26 <ryaxnb> i use android
Aug 18 20:02:27 <singmajesty> Who is Justin?
Aug 18 20:02:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I would never buy an Android device or an iOS device
Aug 18 20:02:28 <singmajesty> :)
Aug 18 20:02:36 <ryaxnb> IGNTNUNLMTD, what would you buy?
Aug 18 20:02:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I guess WP7 or a dumbphone, then
Aug 18 20:02:53 <kevets> Beiber killed WebOS??
Aug 18 20:03:03 <Draecos> damn him!
Aug 18 20:03:06 <Tibfib> IT WAS BIEBER
Aug 18 20:03:07 <Draecos> damn him to hell!
Aug 18 20:03:13 <singmajesty> KAAAAHN!!!
Aug 18 20:03:17 <ziplock503> paul wall signed to young money!!!
Aug 18 20:03:17 <ryaxnb> WP7 sucks, android is much better
Aug 18 20:03:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> burn him with fire
Aug 18 20:03:19 <thehodge> I bet apple announce the date of there next press event tommorrow
Aug 18 20:03:23 <ryaxnb> what'sso bad about android?
Aug 18 20:03:23 <akanster> lol ziplock503
Aug 18 20:03:24 <ziplock503> rumor tho
Aug 18 20:03:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Android is slow as shit, ryaxnb
Aug 18 20:03:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it FEELS slow
Aug 18 20:03:44 <kevets> I liked WebOS cause it was different from everything else
Aug 18 20:03:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> at least iOS doesn't feel like shit
Aug 18 20:03:47 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/TheTylerBayne/status/104281608814739456
Aug 18 20:03:49 <ryaxnb> i thought webos was often criticized as slow
Aug 18 20:03:51 <NewWebOSDEvelope> Hey guys, I just bought a touchpad!
Aug 18 20:03:53 <akanster> IGNTNUNLMTD: depends on your hardware/rom choice
Aug 18 20:04:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> akanster: the interface still lags
Aug 18 20:04:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> always
Aug 18 20:04:16 <ryaxnb> funkatron, you are not related to ars's funktron are you?
Aug 18 20:04:16 <Tibfib> funkatron: lolololol, I didn't pay attention to the initial name change
Aug 18 20:04:18 * Draecos beats funkatron
Aug 18 20:04:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> never used a device yet where it didn't
Aug 18 20:04:21 <Tibfib> I was about to apologize to you.
Aug 18 20:04:24 <singmajesty> NewWebOSDEvelope evolved from newbie to expert pretty quickly :)
Aug 18 20:04:37 <ryaxnb> the UX lagging should be gone with Android 4
Aug 18 20:04:46 <Tibfib> I think I'll go iOS
Aug 18 20:04:49 <Tibfib> 5 looks to be decent
Aug 18 20:04:50 <ryaxnb> IGNTNUNLMTD, most of that lag is due to HW accel UI not existing
Aug 18 20:04:56 <funkatron> haha
Aug 18 20:04:56 <fxspec06> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=0cd8af5f994f9328f39373016e4380f6&lastaction=login&f=5&t=17510
Aug 18 20:04:57 <Tibfib> finally will have final fantasy tactics
Aug 18 20:05:00 <ryaxnb> Tibfib, you should wait for Android 4...
Aug 18 20:05:07 <Tibfib> no, I hate android
Aug 18 20:05:08 <funkatron> ryaxnb: I used to peruse the ars forums
Aug 18 20:05:13 <Tibfib> really, it is terrible
Aug 18 20:05:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and so who makes up for that, ryaxnb? what OEM?
Aug 18 20:05:15 <funkatron> not much for a few years tho
Aug 18 20:05:16 <summatusmentis> this.
Aug 18 20:05:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Android feels cheap and dirty as shit
Aug 18 20:05:24 <ryaxnb> i think it'll clean up a lot of those "inconsistent and slow" things about android
Aug 18 20:05:36 <Tibfib> android is too ugly for me to use
Aug 18 20:05:37 <Tibfib> I'm sorry
Aug 18 20:05:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yep
Aug 18 20:05:45 <singmajesty> Android reminds me of Windows Mobile
Aug 18 20:05:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> horrifying
Aug 18 20:05:51 <singmajesty> The new Windows Mobile, I guess
Aug 18 20:05:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and ads in almost everything
Aug 18 20:06:01 <ryaxnb> android is nice
Aug 18 20:06:02 <kevets> singmajesty: true
Aug 18 20:06:03 <ianbeck> Uh, did I miss something or did HP just kill my app business?
Aug 18 20:06:06 <matbee> singmajesty, yeah, i noticed that...
Aug 18 20:06:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, Android isn't nice
Aug 18 20:06:08 <ianbeck> Guess I shouldn't have gone dark to focus on work this morning
Aug 18 20:06:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> go away
Aug 18 20:06:14 <akanster> the new Windows Phone is pretty pimp
Aug 18 20:06:19 <Tibfib> ianbeck: join the club!
Aug 18 20:06:25 <singmajesty> I stuck with my Treo while the RAZR, Blackberries and iPhone became popular
Aug 18 20:06:26 <akanster> WinMobile is the one that sucked
Aug 18 20:06:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, I'll go WP7
Aug 18 20:06:30 <singmajesty> My Treo was just plain ... useful.
Aug 18 20:06:31 <ryaxnb> i must admit, i can't deny the slowness of the responsiveness
Aug 18 20:06:32 <rwatkins_> indeed.  party's over.
Aug 18 20:06:34 <singmajesty> I still feel that way about webOS
Aug 18 20:06:47 <summatusmentis> ianbeck:
Aug 18 20:06:58 <singmajesty> webOS *is* different when you have a Veer, Pre 2, Pre 3...
Aug 18 20:06:59 <summatusmentis> sorry, enter too soon
Aug 18 20:07:11 <akanster> heh, I have an updated to submit
Aug 18 20:07:13 <summatusmentis> there's NO indication that webOS is dead
Aug 18 20:07:14 <ryaxnb> but Android 4 is supposed to have hW accel ui
Aug 18 20:07:17 <singmajesty> Running Javascript on the device just has additional overhead
Aug 18 20:07:25 <summatusmentis> just that HP is not going to be making hardware
Aug 18 20:07:28 <ryaxnb> guys, the main reason Android 2 is slow is the UX
Aug 18 20:07:38 <ryaxnb> it's software accel, like running os x on a imac G3.
Aug 18 20:07:42 <Tibfib> ryaxnb: yeah it sucks, so it is slow
Aug 18 20:07:52 <ryaxnb> this causes all sorts of problems and is to be fixed in Android 4
Aug 18 20:08:01 <ryaxnb> by using the GPU already on most Android phones.
Aug 18 20:08:09 <ctladvance> Webos is much slower than honeycomb
Aug 18 20:08:23 <uncola> I hope android 4 shows a big improvement because I'm not impressed by honeycomb or 2.2
Aug 18 20:08:23 <Tibfib> I think I'll buy a iPhone 5.
Aug 18 20:08:28 <ctladvance> Honeycomb is much slower than iOS
Aug 18 20:08:30 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> 3 apps in my queue, but I'M STILL ON webOS UNLESS CHUQUI TELLS OTHERWISE. :)
Aug 18 20:08:35 <ryaxnb> Tibfib, you really should see how Android 4 does...
Aug 18 20:08:42 <akanster> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17510
Aug 18 20:08:45 <ryaxnb> i hate iOS and i think you will grow to realize how limited it is
Aug 18 20:08:49 <Tibfib> ryaxnb: OKAY. FINE I WILL LOOK AT IT.
Aug 18 20:08:59 <Tibfib> but honestly, I don't like the direction google is going
Aug 18 20:09:00 <ryaxnb> compared to the openness and flexibility of something like webos, android, or etc.
Aug 18 20:09:06 <ryaxnb> which is?
Aug 18 20:09:08 <dcousineau> at thist point my ipod touch hasn't been terrible. it's not webos but not terrible
Aug 18 20:09:08 <Tibfib> I don't really like google as a company when it comes to android
Aug 18 20:09:19 <Tibfib> pretend to be open
Aug 18 20:09:19 <singmajesty> Yeah, I got an iPod Touch for development a while back...
Aug 18 20:09:25 <dcousineau> Google has fractured the android market, at this point I think Tibfib and I crave stability
Aug 18 20:09:26 <Tibfib> super ugly
Aug 18 20:09:38 <singmajesty> knowing it was a wifi device, I naively expected to be able to hook up to a Starbuck's wifi and create a profile
Aug 18 20:09:40 <singmajesty> Nope.
Aug 18 20:09:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Android is fragmented and ruthlessly ugly
Aug 18 20:09:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do NOT WANT
Aug 18 20:09:45 <ryaxnb> hmm... well i think google is planning to keep the software development independent, and sell off Moto Mobility HW division to say Huwaei
Aug 18 20:09:51 <qillerneu> yeah, keep some of that $50 for apps still in the queue :)
Aug 18 20:09:51 <singmajesty> Device provisioning is also no walk in the park
Aug 18 20:09:52 <Tibfib> buying a phone manufacturer
Aug 18 20:09:52 <summatusmentis> dcousineau: stability, and quality software
Aug 18 20:10:02 <singmajesty> Makes me feel scared to use anything other than XCode :)
Aug 18 20:10:08 <ryaxnb> without the patents and some select group El Goog decides to keep
Aug 18 20:10:09 <dcousineau> singmajesty: :P
Aug 18 20:10:12 <Tibfib> maaannn, I have to learn obj x
Aug 18 20:10:13 <Tibfib> obj c
Aug 18 20:10:25 <eberon_> Titanium!
Aug 18 20:10:29 <Tibfib> yeah probably
Aug 18 20:10:29 <singmajesty> Finally, come on!
Aug 18 20:10:33 <rwatkins_> PhoneGap
Aug 18 20:10:33 <ryaxnb> Tibfib, developing for android is much better than iOS development. i didnot know you were a developer
Aug 18 20:10:34 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: you're jumping to conclusions pr. quickly
Aug 18 20:10:44 <ryaxnb> you get the ability to plug in to the system, like on webOS
Aug 18 20:10:45 <Tibfib> yes I am
Aug 18 20:10:45 <singmajesty> Could you really apt-get applications from the Ubuntu ARMel repositories on an iPad?
Aug 18 20:10:49 <singmajesty> Like you can on webOS?
Aug 18 20:10:52 <ctladvance> Titanium has a monthly fee
Aug 18 20:10:52 <singmajesty> That's fun ;)
Aug 18 20:10:59 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: just thinking about the future if what seems to be happening is happening
Aug 18 20:11:04 <akanster> summatusmentis: he has invested all this time and effort, he has a right to be frazzled
Aug 18 20:11:06 <ctladvance> Phi gap is better unless you need widgets on iOS
Aug 18 20:11:09 <ryaxnb> you get the ability to develop in your choice of language and IDE
Aug 18 20:11:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ryaxnb: STOP ADVERTISING AT US... we don't want to hear it
Aug 18 20:11:14 <ryaxnb> k fine :(
Aug 18 20:11:15 <rwatkins_> Titanium also compiles to native widgets, not a webkit renderer.
Aug 18 20:11:19 <singmajesty> Titanium also took 76 seconds to compile to my device. EVERY TIME
Aug 18 20:11:22 <singmajesty> Killed me :)
Aug 18 20:11:23 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I understand that, but it's really uncertain
Aug 18 20:11:26 <Hendikins> singmajesty: Well, the main thing I've said about the TouchPad is that I like it as a lightweight touchscreen X11 device. Guess that's all it will be for me. :P
Aug 18 20:11:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> shit, gotta go
Aug 18 20:11:33 <Tibfib> ryaxnb: 80% of people here are developers
Aug 18 20:11:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but I'll be back
Aug 18 20:11:36 <ryaxnb> wait, the TouchPad has X11?
Aug 18 20:11:40 <singmajesty> xecutah
Aug 18 20:11:42 <summatusmentis> akanster: I don't disagree, but it seems important to try to remember that nothing is certain yet
Aug 18 20:11:42 <singmajesty> xserver
Aug 18 20:11:43 <ryaxnb> that's cool...
Aug 18 20:11:44 <singmajesty> xterm
Aug 18 20:11:49 <ryaxnb> yeah, iOS has xserver too
Aug 18 20:11:54 <ryaxnb> i think android does as well
Aug 18 20:11:57 <ziplock503> I'm just a nerd
Aug 18 20:11:59 <singmajesty> You can apt-get from the Ubuntu repositories
Aug 18 20:12:01 <ryaxnb> i use the iOS one once.
Aug 18 20:12:09 <Tibfib> :/ :\ :/ :\
Aug 18 20:12:12 <ryaxnb> singmajesty, what does that mean?
Aug 18 20:12:14 <singmajesty> Run Chromium, Filezilla, etc, without modifying them
Aug 18 20:12:21 <singmajesty> You fire up a terminal
Aug 18 20:12:32 <ryaxnb> i can do that with any xserver if my xclient is a x86 box..
Aug 18 20:12:37 <singmajesty> Type "apt-get install libreoffice chromium-browser g++ filezilla" ...
Aug 18 20:12:45 <singmajesty> And it downloads and installs it all on your device
Aug 18 20:12:46 <SubtleGradient> Sencha is hiring. We really want to hire as many of the core webOS engineers as we can
Aug 18 20:12:49 <singmajesty> It's just kind of a fun thing
Aug 18 20:13:09 <ryaxnb> how the heck does that work?
Aug 18 20:13:12 <summatusmentis> ryaxnb: all of the stuff singmajesty is describing is done _natively_
Aug 18 20:13:16 <Codhisattva> http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-hps-webos-tablet-foxhole-appliance.html
Aug 18 20:13:22 <fxspec06> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110818006393/en/HP-Reports-Quarter-2011-Results-Initiates-Company
Aug 18 20:13:24 <singmajesty> Right, you can write and compile C code, Haxe code, etc, on the device
Aug 18 20:13:25 <Codhisattva> embedded webOS in cars and appliances
Aug 18 20:13:29 <ryaxnb> sounds like Meego type stuff...
Aug 18 20:13:33 <singmajesty> Hey, does anyone know where I can post a screencast?
Aug 18 20:13:38 <akanster> And Sencha Touch is out - http://twitter.com/#!/DavidKaneda/status/104282201763487745
Aug 18 20:13:41 <singmajesty> YouTube has a 15 minute limit, and Vimeo has a 500 MB limit
Aug 18 20:14:07 <SubtleGradient> akanster: I'm working on Sencha Touch 2.0 as we speak. Actually a bunch of people are
Aug 18 20:14:11 <Tibfib> Dangit, I was wanting to intern at palm next summer.
Aug 18 20:14:18 <DraX> ryaxnb: the degree to which the touchpad is a hacker's paradise of a device is amazing. all the application source just sitting on the device, trivial to get a shell on the device, etc
Aug 18 20:14:24 <ryaxnb> cool
Aug 18 20:14:39 <ryaxnb> i don't like "hacking" android in the traditional sense of trying to make it Linux
Aug 18 20:14:41 <singmajesty> I have an Enyo screencast and I can't figure out where to post it! :)
Aug 18 20:14:48 <SubtleGradient> DraX: and they will likely be pretty cheap to get pretty soon
Aug 18 20:14:57 <DraX> ryaxnb: i don't like hacking webos in the traditional sense of trying to make it Linux :)
Aug 18 20:14:59 <singmajesty> NDK development on Android is not for the feint of heart
Aug 18 20:14:59 <rwatkins_> SubtleGradient: I assume thats just the js/html/css layer - not how a physical device exposes it to the webkit instance.
Aug 18 20:14:59 <SubtleGradient> singmajesty: vimeo?
Aug 18 20:15:05 <singmajesty> 500 MB limit
Aug 18 20:15:11 <ryaxnb> but in the Consumer Electronic sense, both iOS and android are pretty hackable if you get root, you can do stuff like customize almost anything
Aug 18 20:15:16 <DraX> ryaxnb: i do like being able to modify my tablet apps without a struggle
Aug 18 20:15:25 <singmajesty> I'm trying to compress, but I keep losing the ability to read text in the video
Aug 18 20:15:31 <ryaxnb> i think that's doable on android...
Aug 18 20:15:33 <DraX> the webos SDK gives me root on my device
Aug 18 20:15:39 <ryaxnb> depends on a lot if the app is Open source.
Aug 18 20:15:47 <DraX> the source for many of the on the androdi are not open
Aug 18 20:15:52 <akanster> SubtleGradient: you work for Sencha?
Aug 18 20:15:55 <DraX> the source for most of the palm apps is justo n the device
Aug 18 20:16:02 <DraX> since it's JS
Aug 18 20:16:06 <dtzWill> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_S_EdZ_I8 seems appropriate right about now
Aug 18 20:16:10 <DraX> palm decided to not try and obfuscate it
Aug 18 20:16:11 <dtzWill> just saying...
Aug 18 20:16:20 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Codhisattva: That's what I wanted to hear, good news :D thanks!
Aug 18 20:16:23 <ryaxnb> well any OS has closed source apps as dominant among the App Store type apps, except linux
Aug 18 20:16:28 <SubtleGradient> akanster: yeah, I'm on the Core team
Aug 18 20:16:28 <DraX> there is even a (really crappy) vi on the device
Aug 18 20:16:31 <ryaxnb> but yeah, palm was nice not to obfuscate it
Aug 18 20:16:36 <funkatron> I see SubtleGradient has arrived to poach 8D 8D
Aug 18 20:16:37 <akanster> SubtleGradient: sweet!
Aug 18 20:16:42 <jhojho> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
Aug 18 20:16:45 <SubtleGradient> funkatron: you know it ;)
Aug 18 20:16:46 <akanster> SubtleGradient: poach me!
Aug 18 20:16:50 <rwatkins_> ambulance chasing?
Aug 18 20:16:59 <DraX> ryaxnb: of all the apps i've instaled free and paid, only one has had its source obfuscated
Aug 18 20:17:04 <ryaxnb> neat
Aug 18 20:17:07 <ryaxnb> that's very rare
Aug 18 20:17:13 <Tibfib> SubtleGradient: I can tell you when stuff sucks and when it is awesome?
Aug 18 20:17:16 <DraX> and the obfuscation method was trivial to reverse
Aug 18 20:17:16 <Tibfib> hiring one of those?
Aug 18 20:17:25 <ryaxnb> don't some webOS apps use just a JS layer around native C or C++ code though
Aug 18 20:17:30 <ryaxnb> particuarly games
Aug 18 20:17:34 <summatusmentis> no
Aug 18 20:17:39 <summatusmentis> there are either native C code
Aug 18 20:17:40 <akanster> ryaxnb: Hybrid apps
Aug 18 20:17:42 <matbee> DraX, trivial to reverse, but not understand :p
Aug 18 20:17:43 <dcousineau> ryaxnb: back in the day
Aug 18 20:17:46 <summatusmentis> or JS code
Aug 18 20:17:48 <SubtleGradient> Tibfib: Sure
Aug 18 20:17:51 <summatusmentis> some run with both
Aug 18 20:17:58 <ryaxnb> ah
Aug 18 20:18:01 <DraX> matbee: no it was a really bad obfuscation method
Aug 18 20:18:03 <Tibfib> SubtleGradient: where do I sign up?
Aug 18 20:18:09 <DraX> matbee: it was reversed into fully normal code, with complete variable names, etc
Aug 18 20:18:19 <matbee> :-/
Aug 18 20:18:26 <DraX> only thing that was messed up was indenting, just ran it through a reindenter
Aug 18 20:18:30 <matbee> ha
Aug 18 20:18:32 <matbee> crazy
Aug 18 20:18:33 <ryaxnb> i dont suppport code obfuscation
Aug 18 20:18:37 <matbee> so youve probably viewed my source :'(
Aug 18 20:18:39 <ryaxnb> i'm an OSS fan
Aug 18 20:18:45 <Tibfib> ryaxnb: got a touchpad?
Aug 18 20:18:48 <ryaxnb> NO
Aug 18 20:18:50 <ryaxnb> er, no
Aug 18 20:18:53 <ryaxnb> sorry,  caps :(
Aug 18 20:18:55 <akanster> scream!
Aug 18 20:19:01 <Tibfib> was going to recommend my OSS app, but NEVERMIND THEN
Aug 18 20:19:10 <ryaxnb> i use a bunch of Linux computers
Aug 18 20:19:22 <ryaxnb> almost all the code on them is of course open.
Aug 18 20:19:34 <ryaxnb> i hardly use windows anymore :/
Aug 18 20:19:48 <ryaxnb> do you guys use Linux on your desktop/laptop?
Aug 18 20:20:07 <kevets> nope, but i probably could
Aug 18 20:20:13 <ryaxnb> linux is fun
Aug 18 20:20:13 <kevets> nothing i really do needs it to be windows
Aug 18 20:20:14 <leiru> ryaxnb: yes.
Aug 18 20:20:15 <DraX> at work
Aug 18 20:20:17 <gokr> yup. Since many years.
Aug 18 20:20:23 <DraX> freebsd at home
Aug 18 20:20:27 <ryaxnb> mmm, bsd.
Aug 18 20:20:29 <ryaxnb> also fun.
Aug 18 20:20:31 <ctladvance> Not since w7 launched
Aug 18 20:20:36 <kevets> as long as i can have an office suite and rdp into servers... we're good
Aug 18 20:20:45 <DraX> work desktop runs a custom ubuntu distro though
Aug 18 20:20:47 * gokr trying to get a grip on latest news...
Aug 18 20:20:50 <DraX> and work laptop
Aug 18 20:20:53 <ryaxnb> windows 7 led me to try windows again, but ultimately it was back to Linux
Aug 18 20:20:57 <dawm|laptop> wow
Aug 18 20:21:00 <dawm|laptop> wtf..
Aug 18 20:21:00 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: your OSS app also runs in chrome :)
Aug 18 20:21:05 <SubtleGradient> Windows 8 may be interesting
Aug 18 20:21:11 <dcousineau> eh
Aug 18 20:21:16 <dcousineau> windows 8 is an awkward grab
Aug 18 20:21:18 <ryaxnb> windows 8 sounds a bit to radical
Aug 18 20:21:23 <kevets> changing job in 2 weeks, might give a linux install a shot
Aug 18 20:21:25 <ryaxnb> i like Unity as my next-gen desktop
Aug 18 20:21:31 <kevets> they'll think im so cool!
Aug 18 20:21:31 <dawm|laptop> just saw that press release.. wtf hp
Aug 18 20:21:41 <linuxjacques> wtf indeed.
Aug 18 20:21:47 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: if you run some flags
Aug 18 20:21:50 <ctladvance> When 7 launched we converted all remaining boxes... Which was really only 3
Aug 18 20:21:53 <twbbas> dawm|laptop: This sums it up: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/webostrending2.png
Aug 18 20:21:55 <ryaxnb> hp killed its most promising project because HP doesn't know how to run a small type enterprise
Aug 18 20:22:12 <ryaxnb> they're huge and bureacratic, like IBM before they reinvented themselves as a service company
Aug 18 20:22:27 <ryaxnb> they will either do an IBM type reinvention as something cooler or they will die
Aug 18 20:22:41 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: right
Aug 18 20:23:07 <ryaxnb> IBM is now huge, but not anywhere near as bureaucratic
Aug 18 20:23:26 <dawm|laptop> new
Aug 18 20:23:28 <dawm|laptop> news
Aug 18 20:23:29 <dawm|laptop> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/official-hp-is-evaluating-strategic-alternatives-for-the-personal-systems-group/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+webosroundup+%28webOSroundup%29&utm_content=FaceBook
Aug 18 20:24:07 <ryaxnb> anyone think BlackBerry will gain some WebOS customers?
Aug 18 20:24:22 <akanster> lol nope
Aug 18 20:24:23 <Tibfib> ryaxnb: no
Aug 18 20:24:23 <ryaxnb> i mean, WebOS was originally a blackberry type platform for the consumer
Aug 18 20:24:28 <kevets> doubt it as their phones haven't changed in forever
Aug 18 20:24:33 <Tibfib> not really ryaxnb
Aug 18 20:24:36 <dawm|laptop> kevets:  ..
Aug 18 20:24:37 <akanster> I think iOS or Android
Aug 18 20:24:43 <dawm|laptop> the torch is almost a pre clone
Aug 18 20:24:44 <ryaxnb> kevets, that's a lie although blackberry is still kinda crap
Aug 18 20:24:53 <kevets> they are trying...
Aug 18 20:25:05 <leiru> dawm|laptop: and what shall these empty phrases tell me?
Aug 18 20:25:06 <ryaxnb> the Torch 2 has a 1.2ghz proc and 768MB ram, 640x480 screen and a HTML5 browser
Aug 18 20:25:10 <Hendikins> Given I don't like any of the alternatives at the moment, I think I'll just be staying on the dead platform.
Aug 18 20:25:17 <ryaxnb> it's trying to be modern.
Aug 18 20:25:22 <akanster> ryaxnb: and an even worse app selection than webOS
Aug 18 20:25:27 <kevets> the torch did look the most promising
Aug 18 20:25:32 <ryaxnb> yeah, BB kinda sucks
Aug 18 20:25:36 <kevets> did that ever make its way to verizon?
Aug 18 20:25:37 <Droogie> webos dead?
Aug 18 20:25:43 <akanster> and shitty development tools
Aug 18 20:26:01 <dawm|laptop> leiru:  ?
Aug 18 20:26:09 <ryaxnb> kevets, for VZW Blackberry offers the Bold 99x0 series
Aug 18 20:26:26 <leiru> dawm|laptop: these empty phrases with no content that are qouted.
Aug 18 20:26:35 <kevets> yeah. those are the ones that i was saying hadn't really changed in forever
Aug 18 20:26:36 <leiru> from apotheker in this article.
Aug 18 20:26:40 <ryaxnb> with 2.8" 640x480 near-300dpi screen, physical keyboard, 1.2ghz proc, 768MB RAM, 2GB ROM, and HTML 5 browser,  voice search (like Just Type...)
Aug 18 20:26:46 <dawm|laptop> not blank here
Aug 18 20:26:49 <ryaxnb> no, its' changed quite a bit.
Aug 18 20:26:52 <kevets> if they sold a version of the torch for vzw i probably would have looked at it when i was shopping for my pre2
Aug 18 20:27:00 <ryaxnb> oh, and HW acceleration.
Aug 18 20:27:05 <ctladvance> HP should pack webos for use on generic tabs
Aug 18 20:27:08 <ryaxnb> it even has a Adreno 205 gpu
Aug 18 20:27:11 <ryaxnb> which is new
Aug 18 20:27:16 <ctladvance> Like the 10.1 or aced
Aug 18 20:27:23 <ryaxnb> before, BBs had no GPU
Aug 18 20:27:30 <kevets> well then
Aug 18 20:27:36 <leiru> RIM is dead.
Aug 18 20:27:42 <kevets> i've kind of written them off lately i admit
Aug 18 20:27:50 <Tibfib> our channel members are rising rapidly
Aug 18 20:28:04 <PatrickC> any updates?
Aug 18 20:28:17 <leiru> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20082841-17/rim-to-lay-off-2000-employees/
Aug 18 20:28:18 <kevets> some sort of voice input would be nice to see one day... that's one thing i've always admired on the android phones
Aug 18 20:28:19 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: and they're all pessimistic naysayers
Aug 18 20:28:31 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: hey, that's me!
Aug 18 20:28:53 <nohorse> 'this is my next' will be liveblogging the HP news in 30 minutes...
Aug 18 20:28:54 <ryaxnb> kevets, RIM's implementation is a combination of voice input and Just Type, only works for search/dialing and works with the integrated BlackBerry Search
Aug 18 20:29:02 <leiru> Tibfib: what time is it @ you?
Aug 18 20:29:06 <ryaxnb> unlike Android where it also works for dictation
Aug 18 20:29:12 <Tibfib> 3:26 pm here
Aug 18 20:29:18 <kevets> so kind of like a glorified voice dialer
Aug 18 20:29:19 <leiru> uhm
Aug 18 20:29:28 <leiru> <- 22:26
Aug 18 20:29:36 <leiru> pr 10:26pm
Aug 18 20:29:37 <Tibfib> heh fun
Aug 18 20:29:41 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 20:29:57 <ryaxnb> also can do Bing search, search your contacts, text people, interact with calendar, do a bing maps search
Aug 18 20:30:08 <ryaxnb> and get directions via Bing Maps
Aug 18 20:30:16 <DraX> Tibfib: my timezone is cooler than yours :P
Aug 18 20:30:21 <Shadyman1> lool
Aug 18 20:30:32 <Tibfib> DraX: OH NO YOU DIDN'T!
Aug 18 20:30:38 <PatrickC> DraX: Central Time is BEST!!!
Aug 18 20:30:46 <ryaxnb> since BB has kinda partnered with Bing to get the integrated Bing & Bing Maps on every BB
Aug 18 20:30:52 <ziplock503> westcoast !! PST time
Aug 18 20:30:56 <DraX> pacific
Aug 18 20:30:58 <halfhalo> holy carp my bouncer works on this wifi
Aug 18 20:31:00 <leiru> lol
Aug 18 20:31:06 <leiru> gmt+1 ftw!
Aug 18 20:31:14 * Tibfib wishes he was GMT
Aug 18 20:31:15 <ziplock503> london?
Aug 18 20:31:16 <Tibfib> that'd be the best.
Aug 18 20:31:24 <akanster> Tibfib: yessir!
Aug 18 20:31:42 <kevets> do we have access to bing maps on 2.1.0?
Aug 18 20:32:11 <ctladvance> Yes but not hps bing maps
Aug 18 20:32:13 <leiru> germany
Aug 18 20:32:30 <ziplock503> ah
Aug 18 20:32:38 <kevets> uhh yeah that'd be a problem conidering my only location service that works is google location services
Aug 18 20:32:44 <kevets> ug
Aug 18 20:33:36 <fxspec06> where link to live press conference
Aug 18 20:33:49 <fxspec06> so i can have it wen i wake up from my nap
Aug 18 20:34:10 <Shadyman1> Slashdot is trolling.
Aug 18 20:34:17 <Shadyman1> I see a lot of rumors and not a lot of fact
Aug 18 20:34:23 <Tibfib> well, glad I finally am about to get my touchpad
Aug 18 20:34:23 <Bajan> so what is on the wish list for Touchpad 2?
Aug 18 20:34:27 <Tibfib> </s>
Aug 18 20:34:44 <akanster> haha Tibfib
Aug 18 20:35:00 * twbbas is gonna go watch a tv show for the next 30 mins before the earnings call
Aug 18 20:35:09 * Tibfib might go for a run
Aug 18 20:35:17 <PatrickC> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17510
Aug 18 20:35:46 <Tibfib> PatrickC: thanks, PatrickC, we've only seen that link 20000 times
Aug 18 20:36:00 <PatrickC> this is the first I've seen it
Aug 18 20:36:38 <ziplock503> I need to get high and get starbucks
Aug 18 20:36:42 <rtyler> grrrr
Aug 18 20:36:51 <leiru> *looking at the touchstone with the pre2*
Aug 18 20:37:07 <leiru> okay, bye touchstone, or what?
Aug 18 20:37:15 <leiru> soon theres an iphone there. :/
Aug 18 20:37:18 <dcousineau> http://i.imgur.com/vLLWu.png
Aug 18 20:37:22 <nohorse> thisismynext.com
Aug 18 20:37:33 <Tibfib> anaya from the forums is sooo annoying
Aug 18 20:37:36 <ziplock503> iphone or droid hmmm (sad day)
Aug 18 20:37:38 <Tibfib> I wish he would just stop posting.
Aug 18 20:37:41 <Draecos> i had tech
Aug 18 20:37:45 <ziplock503> lol
Aug 18 20:37:47 <Draecos> always gets you excited
Aug 18 20:37:53 <Draecos> then kicks you in the nuts
Aug 18 20:37:54 <akanster> dcousineau: :(
Aug 18 20:38:16 <akanster> wait, will we get dev Pre 3s?
Aug 18 20:38:20 <Draecos> sorry that should be i HATE tech
Aug 18 20:38:43 <rwatkins_> can probably have all the dev Pre3s you want now.
Aug 18 20:38:59 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 18 20:39:07 <rwatkins_> sux to be someone that bought one yesterday tho
Aug 18 20:39:41 <Draecos> glad I didnt buy the TP now
Aug 18 20:39:47 <Tibfib> well at least I got the touchpad cheap.
Aug 18 20:39:47 <Draecos> was so looking for how to finance it
Aug 18 20:39:50 <nohorse> i hope we get to keep the loaner devices
Aug 18 20:40:15 <rwatkins_> Im sure they're trygin to figure out what to do with the tons Best Buy is shipping back, I doubt they want the loaners.
Aug 18 20:40:29 <akanster> rwatkins_: 2 days.  they can still return them
Aug 18 20:40:29 <maik> what the god damn hell HP
Aug 18 20:40:54 <rwatkins_> akanster: ya, dont think Best Buys return policy is that good for the one I bought July 1 at midnight.
Aug 18 20:41:04 <rtyler> hmm, I'm trying to reset my devices with the Doctor, it seems to get stuck on the "Battery Charging" part, even though the battery is 92%
Aug 18 20:41:14 <rtyler> rwatkins_: I bought last week at Best Buy, preparing to head back over there :/
Aug 18 20:41:27 <akanster> really?
Aug 18 20:41:32 <akanster> rtyler: ^
Aug 18 20:41:36 <rtyler> really
Aug 18 20:41:54 <akanster> rwatkins_: sorry, I thought you meant the Pre 3s that just launched in Europe
Aug 18 20:42:11 <ryaxnb> they launched in europe?
Aug 18 20:42:16 <ziplock503> best buy is mad now.. wait til everyone returns there touchpad
Aug 18 20:42:20 <rwatkins_> by various meanings of "launched".
Aug 18 20:42:22 <funkatron> "launched"
Aug 18 20:42:27 <ryaxnb> i thought HPALM was discontinuing because they were dead
Aug 18 20:42:36 <ryaxnb> did anyone actually get a pre 3?
Aug 18 20:42:41 <Lazar_Dobrescu> yes
Aug 18 20:42:44 <Lazar_Dobrescu> some europeans :)
Aug 18 20:42:44 <ryaxnb> those are gonna be your textbook hella rare item
Aug 18 20:42:48 <ziplock503> in uk
Aug 18 20:42:48 <Tibfib_> bbiab
Aug 18 20:43:06 <ryaxnb> they'll be collectable some day in the future
Aug 18 20:43:14 <ryaxnb> as the last thing Palm ever made
Aug 18 20:43:39 <rwatkins_> HP made.  Palm made the Pre2
Aug 18 20:43:43 <Mousey> =(
Aug 18 20:43:48 <Mousey> ^---
Aug 18 20:44:56 <ziplock503> hp made it but didn't design it
Aug 18 20:45:00 <JenP> hi all!
Aug 18 20:45:37 <summatusmentis> hi
Aug 18 20:46:29 <PatrickC> #HPwebOS is an awesome software platform and now we can explore the best hardware partner for it. #onward. /via @richardkerris
Aug 18 20:46:33 <rwatkins_> ha
Aug 18 20:46:54 <PatrickC> licensing?
Aug 18 20:46:55 <JenP> wow...shocking news
Aug 18 20:46:57 <summatusmentis> explore is crappy word
Aug 18 20:47:06 <summatusmentis> that means they don't have a plan
Aug 18 20:47:15 <Tammyk> shush, it's inspirational.
Aug 18 20:47:19 <flare576> true, but honestly, what was the #1 complaint about webos phones?
Aug 18 20:47:27 <flare576> I've gone through 7 Pres
Aug 18 20:47:31 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: don't crush my glimmer of hope
Aug 18 20:47:37 <flare576> and I'm nice to my devices.
Aug 18 20:47:42 <rwatkins_> HP makes hardware but not in the game for thier own software?  Uh ok.
Aug 18 20:47:48 <rwatkins_> nice try.
Aug 18 20:47:53 <flare576> rwatkins_: they make BIG hardware
Aug 18 20:48:06 <flare576> they have no metrics or knowledge of what people want to keep in their pocket
Aug 18 20:48:48 <rwatkins_> webos is a great technology choice, it just didnt make it
Aug 18 20:48:59 <PatrickC> I hope they license...
Aug 18 20:49:05 <rwatkins_> happens alot - see NeWS and others.
Aug 18 20:49:28 <rwatkins_> right bet for the long term but HP couldnt ride it out that loing.
Aug 18 20:49:31 <Shadyman1> PatrickC: They will
Aug 18 20:49:44 <gokr1> Kinda fun that they talked about "marathon" etc...
Aug 18 20:49:46 <PatrickC> Shadyman1: hope
Aug 18 20:50:15 <PatrickC> Adora: what do we do with loaners?
Aug 18 20:50:30 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: why would you do anything?
Aug 18 20:50:33 * PatrickC thinks Adora is in meetings too.. but ya never know
Aug 18 20:50:36 <summatusmentis> they're still HP products
Aug 18 20:50:40 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: they might want them back?
Aug 18 20:50:41 <rwatkins_> still a full invite list for the NYC dev meetup, and was presenting too.  gonna be interesting.
Aug 18 20:50:43 <PatrickC> early
Aug 18 20:50:48 <ctladvance> Also can I get my loaner price changed to it's discounted price
Aug 18 20:50:48 <summatusmentis> I doubt it
Aug 18 20:51:02 <PatrickC> ctladvance: yeah
Aug 18 20:51:04 <funkatron> PatrickC: strongly suggest that you just be quiet and wait for more informaiton.
Aug 18 20:51:14 <ctladvance> I'm happy to send it back then
Aug 18 20:51:31 <ctladvance> Patc did they confirm that already
Aug 18 20:51:43 <JenP> this just sucks. I was in the middle of getting my apps ready for touchpad
Aug 18 20:51:46 <PatrickC> ctladvance: you get it at your tier's discount
Aug 18 20:51:50 <ctladvance> No
Aug 18 20:51:54 <ctladvance> I mean
Aug 18 20:52:10 <ctladvance> If HP drops it to 499 instead of 599
Aug 18 20:52:11 <ctladvance> Or less
Aug 18 20:52:19 <rtyler> $99
Aug 18 20:52:21 <rtyler> :D
Aug 18 20:52:26 <ctladvance> :)
Aug 18 20:52:36 <PatrickC> ctladvance: the dev pricing is based on $499
Aug 18 20:52:51 <ctladvance> We need to watch the desert for places HP might dump the touchpads
Aug 18 20:52:52 <PatrickC> I have confirmation from multiple hp peoples
Aug 18 20:53:06 <ctladvance> Think atari was it?
Aug 18 20:53:49 <rwatkins_> they'll store them with the Palm Folios
Aug 18 20:53:55 <ctladvance> Ugh
Aug 18 20:54:16 <javispedro> Foleo!
Aug 18 20:54:19 <kevets> oh my
Aug 18 20:54:21 <ctladvance> Maybe they will announce different plans
Aug 18 20:54:21 <ctladvance> I hope
Aug 18 20:54:35 <rwatkins_> s/Folios/Foleos/
Aug 18 20:54:47 <akanster`> they let us down.  I dunno how else to interprete this
Aug 18 20:54:53 <ctladvance> Like devices will continue to be developed by samsung
Aug 18 20:54:56 <ctladvance> Think webos on 10.1
Aug 18 20:55:17 <summatusmentis> ctladvance: they almost have to
Aug 18 20:55:20 <directhex> i nearly bought a touchpad today. and i bought a pre3 yesterday. i feel rather gutted.
Aug 18 20:55:22 <PatrickC> think of webos on iphone hw
Aug 18 20:55:26 <PatrickC> or Evo hw
Aug 18 20:55:27 <summatusmentis> otherwise, webOS is in limbo
Aug 18 20:55:31 <maik> why the hell bother licensing a platform that isn't being developed on?
Aug 18 20:55:32 <Mousey> limbOS
Aug 18 20:55:32 <Boopop> So...webOS is dead? 0.o
Aug 18 20:55:39 <summatusmentis> NO
Aug 18 20:55:42 <akanster`> ctladvance: you realize that plan isn't working out so well for Microsoft and WP7.  Balmer himself admitted sales have been bad
Aug 18 20:55:44 <PatrickC> Boopop: NO
Aug 18 20:55:44 <Mousey> Boopop: no, just on death row
Aug 18 20:55:46 <rtyler> directhex: are you directhex as in Mono contributor?
Aug 18 20:55:52 <ctladvance> Maybe we will get a 4.5" slab
Aug 18 20:55:54 <summatusmentis> nothing is dead
Aug 18 20:55:57 <Boopop> How does that work? lol
Aug 18 20:56:01 <Mousey> only dooooooomed!
Aug 18 20:56:02 <ctladvance> Yep
Aug 18 20:56:14 <directhex> rtyler, er, no, that was the other guy, with the evil goatee. evildoers all have goatees.
Aug 18 20:56:15 <Mousey> first you alienate all your open source developers
Aug 18 20:56:19 <PatrickC> ctladvance: I'll take an Evo/Evo 3D with webOS please
Aug 18 20:56:23 <Hendikins> Boopop: Might as well be.
Aug 18 20:56:24 <Mousey> then you scoff at all the work that was done
Aug 18 20:56:39 <summatusmentis> who is scoffing?
Aug 18 20:56:41 <Mousey> ugh, i SO don't want' android
Aug 18 20:56:47 * Mousey is just bitter
Aug 18 20:56:58 <rtyler> directhex: I recognize you from years gone by ;)
Aug 18 20:56:59 <rtyler> anyways
Aug 18 20:57:00 * Mousey is sure nobody is really scoffing open source developers
Aug 18 20:57:06 <Mousey> openly
Aug 18 20:57:06 <rtyler> I bought my TP last week, heading back to return it now
Aug 18 20:57:12 <rtyler> I got burned on OpenMoko
Aug 18 20:57:15 <rtyler> got burned on Maemo
Aug 18 20:57:18 <rtyler> gettin' burned again
Aug 18 20:57:21 * rtyler shakes his fists
Aug 18 20:57:28 <summatusmentis> WE DON'T KNOW THIS
Aug 18 20:57:30 <Boopop> If they'd flipping get their act together and release phones the day they announce them
Aug 18 20:57:33 <Hendikins> Apple is evil and I don't particularly like Android. Ah well.
Aug 18 20:57:35 <Boopop> THEY MIGHT GET SOMEWHERE
Aug 18 20:57:40 <PatrickC> I'm going to keep my webos products till they die!
Aug 18 20:57:52 <NuttyBunny> STOP WITH THAT UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!!
Aug 18 20:57:56 <rtyler> heh
Aug 18 20:57:57 <directhex> rtyler, we were subcontracted to develop maemo. and meego. and the bloody touchpad!
Aug 18 20:57:59 <Mousey> all caps
Aug 18 20:58:04 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: YES!!
Aug 18 20:58:06 <rtyler> directhex: heh
Aug 18 20:58:17 <Mousey> it's all so disheartening
Aug 18 20:58:17 <rtyler> directhex: you work for that Gtk company or what?
Aug 18 20:58:19 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: this
Aug 18 20:58:36 <rtyler> summatusmentis: if there were other companies shipping webos devices, I wouldn't return it
Aug 18 20:58:45 <twbbas> The earnings call has started streaming
Aug 18 20:58:46 <akanster> Ouch - http://twitter.com/#!/kellabyte/status/104295002930286592
Aug 18 20:58:48 <twbbas> Just music right now
Aug 18 20:58:50 <directhex> rtyler, something like that
Aug 18 20:58:53 <summatusmentis> rtyler: you've got a while, to return it right?
Aug 18 20:59:38 <directhex> rtyler, mostly gstreamer, telepathy & webkit as core competences
Aug 18 20:59:45 <PatrickC> twbbas: link
Aug 18 20:59:49 <rtyler> summatusmentis: probably
Aug 18 20:59:49 <summatusmentis> rtyler: so why not wait and see what pans out in the next few days
Aug 18 21:00:02 <summatusmentis> because at this point, we know almost nothing
Aug 18 21:00:06 <ryaxnb> http://web.me.com/jadespace/Ars/201108/webos_final_destination.jpg
Aug 18 21:00:18 <ryaxnb> an old post by someone who was spot on at predicting webos death :(
Aug 18 21:00:33 <rtyler> ryaxnb: heh
Aug 18 21:00:37 <ryaxnb> an apple fanboy who i hate, but nice piece of artwork
Aug 18 21:00:38 <Mousey> man, that did NOT take long
Aug 18 21:00:52 <PatrickC> ryaxnb: we don't know that yet
Aug 18 21:01:05 <ryaxnb> PatrickC, okay, well than webOS HW death
Aug 18 21:01:09 <rtyler> summatusmentis: meh, I'm not in love with the device enough to wait
Aug 18 21:01:18 <PatrickC> ryaxnb: there we go
Aug 18 21:01:21 * rtyler shrugs
Aug 18 21:01:40 <twbbas> PatrickC: http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=71087&p=irol-EventDetails&EventId=3561763
Aug 18 21:02:00 <akanster> http://twitpic.com/683vbi <- lol
Aug 18 21:02:23 <rtyler> that update was released at the beginning of Aug :/
Aug 18 21:02:46 <fxspec06> 5p
Aug 18 21:03:01 <kevets> how do you think the conference call will go?
Aug 18 21:03:05 <rtyler> heh
Aug 18 21:03:15 <PatrickC> I've got to go
Aug 18 21:03:16 <fxspec06> kevets: does anyone really have any idea
Aug 18 21:03:16 * PatrickC leaves
Aug 18 21:03:32 <fxspec06> besides richard kerris himself
Aug 18 21:03:34 <kevets> pretty much lol
Aug 18 21:03:40 * NuttyBunny falls asleep to the conference music... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Aug 18 21:03:43 <kevets> it begins
Aug 18 21:03:43 <kevets> Okay, we're sitting on hold waiting for the call to start. HP is playing  the most depressing possible music here -- lonely delay steel guitar.  Somewhere Jon Rubinstein is walking alone on a beach, wondering when  we'll all have a margarita once again.
Aug 18 21:03:44 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 18 21:04:01 <NuttyBunny> +1
Aug 18 21:04:11 <fxspec06> i feel like i'm meditating
Aug 18 21:04:13 <akanster> so they didn't find a hardware partner before announcing this?
Aug 18 21:04:18 <rtyler> heh
Aug 18 21:04:20 <kevets> HOPEFULLY they did
Aug 18 21:04:23 <fxspec06> am i supposed to close my eyes during this part?
Aug 18 21:04:30 <NuttyBunny> does the conference call work on the TouchPad? :D
Aug 18 21:04:38 <kevets> i've never been as interested in a conference call. this is sad
Aug 18 21:04:41 <fxspec06> NuttyBunny: they stopped supporting it, probs not
Aug 18 21:04:45 <Loudergood> akanster: that was my facepalm reading of that tweet
Aug 18 21:05:11 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: they put that music so you'll take it calmly
Aug 18 21:05:17 <summatusmentis> akanster: we don't know, they ought to have
Aug 18 21:05:25 <fxspec06> here we go!
Aug 18 21:05:33 <fxspec06> regina
Aug 18 21:05:41 <akanster> summatusmentis: Kerris' tweets reads like that
Aug 18 21:05:44 <kevets> conference call music: In The Air Tonight
Aug 18 21:05:49 <kevets> CMON!
Aug 18 21:05:54 <fxspec06> it's started here alredy
Aug 18 21:05:58 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: :/
Aug 18 21:06:01 <thomaschaaf> hello
Aug 18 21:06:05 <thomaschaaf> can someone pdate me
Aug 18 21:06:09 <thomaschaaf> what is happening
Aug 18 21:06:16 <kevets> just following along on the liveblog
Aug 18 21:06:19 <summatusmentis> akanster: it says "we can now explore"
Aug 18 21:06:20 <PatrickC> we don't know anything yet
Aug 18 21:06:22 <kevets> http://live.thisismynext.com/Event/HP_Q3_2011_earnings_call
Aug 18 21:06:24 <summatusmentis> which means almost nothing
Aug 18 21:06:30 <fxspec06> VP is speaking
Aug 18 21:06:41 <akanster> summatusmentis: means they are just begining
Aug 18 21:06:51 <rtyler> this is the most traffic precentral.net has seen ever :P
Aug 18 21:06:57 <Tibfib> anyone have a direct link to precentral's live coverage?
Aug 18 21:07:00 <Tibfib> DIRECT
Aug 18 21:07:03 <Tibfib> not to an ifrmae of it
Aug 18 21:07:05 <summatusmentis> akanster: that's how I read it too, that they don't have a plan, but we'll see
Aug 18 21:07:05 <PatrickC> PLEASE!
Aug 18 21:07:07 <trsohmers> Greetings Programs
Aug 18 21:07:10 <weboswatcher> so like i wonder how much advance notice the palm business unit got on this one
Aug 18 21:07:14 <trsohmers> Oh the humanity!
Aug 18 21:07:26 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: you don't want to be in here
Aug 18 21:07:30 <akanster> first comment on This is my Next -- "Tech industry news is better than a day-time soap opera. I'm completely addicted!"
Aug 18 21:07:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I've already seen all of this
Aug 18 21:07:35 <Loudergood> Tibfib: http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=35afeb8f60/height=500/width=550
Aug 18 21:07:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dug
Aug 18 21:07:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> duh*
Aug 18 21:07:47 <Greg117> haha, just opened my new touchpad ;)
Aug 18 21:07:49 <twbbas> ok the earnings call is boring already
Aug 18 21:07:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the latest tweet from Richard Kerris is good
Aug 18 21:07:54 <twbbas> I'm gonna stick to the live blog
Aug 18 21:07:56 <Tibfib> Loudergood: you rock
Aug 18 21:07:58 <twbbas> while I watch netflix
Aug 18 21:08:12 <weboswatcher> you think they got a week's warning about the announcement?
Aug 18 21:08:29 <Loudergood> also, change the numbers at the end for nice scaling
Aug 18 21:08:31 <fxspec06> leo is speaking
Aug 18 21:08:35 <rtyler> I wonder if they're going to annoucne a partnership to ship Windows Phone 7, just like Nokia!
Aug 18 21:09:58 <thomaschaaf> would love if they'd opensource webos :)
Aug 18 21:10:08 <NuttyBunny> I just want to remind you, we all felt like crap on Feb. 9, and webOS lived on.
Aug 18 21:10:20 <thomaschaaf> NuttyBunny: what was on Feb 9th?
Aug 18 21:10:39 <fxspec06> the announcement of the death of webos
Aug 18 21:10:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 18 21:10:48 <trsohmers> Sorry guys… probably going to be returning my touchpad this evening or tomorrow
Aug 18 21:11:06 <fxspec06> "our touchpad has not been gaining enough traction in the marketplace"
Aug 18 21:11:10 <NuttyBunny> there it goes
Aug 18 21:11:56 <Tibfib> IT'S DEAD
Aug 18 21:11:57 <rwatkins_> here we go
Aug 18 21:11:59 <fxspec06> we have been tracking webos
Aug 18 21:11:59 <Tibfib> WE'RE ALL DEAD
Aug 18 21:12:03 <rtyler> heh
Aug 18 21:12:03 <Tibfib> IT'S ALL DEAD
Aug 18 21:12:11 <rtyler> GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER! *chuckles*
Aug 18 21:12:12 <fxspec06> he said developers
Aug 18 21:12:15 <fxspec06> he's talking to us
Aug 18 21:12:21 <rtyler> fxspec06: but did he say it three times?
Aug 18 21:12:29 <rwatkins_> optimize the "value"
Aug 18 21:12:32 <rtyler> heh
Aug 18 21:12:37 <fxspec06> he said it once..
Aug 18 21:12:39 <rwatkins_> so .. sell he patents.
Aug 18 21:12:42 <thomaschaaf> will there be a sell of for the touchpads?
Aug 18 21:12:42 <kevets> developers x infinity
Aug 18 21:12:51 <thomaschaaf> would love to get one for 100 bucks or so :)
Aug 18 21:12:56 <rwatkins_> s/he/the/
Aug 18 21:12:57 <kevets> HP is announcing they will have a yard sale
Aug 18 21:13:00 <kevets> aww
Aug 18 21:13:01 <fxspec06> to shut down the webos hardware operations
Aug 18 21:13:04 <NuttyBunny> hardware operations
Aug 18 21:13:06 <rtyler> thomaschaaf: buy it from Best Buy after I return mine
Aug 18 21:13:08 <fxspec06> by what date?
Aug 18 21:13:15 <Tibfib> oh dang
Aug 18 21:13:15 <fxspec06> 12 / 4 / 2011..... i believe he said
Aug 18 21:13:17 <thomaschaaf> rtyler: so bad?
Aug 18 21:13:24 <Tibfib> "Continuing to execute current device approach is not in the best interest of HP and shareholders."
Aug 18 21:13:25 <rwatkins_> I'm sure this annoucement effectively closed it all down.
Aug 18 21:13:27 <thomaschaaf> oh end of '11
Aug 18 21:13:27 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06, something like that
Aug 18 21:13:30 <kevets> DEVICE SHUTDOWN?
Aug 18 21:13:30 <rtyler> thomaschaaf: I'm doing a secure erase now before returning
Aug 18 21:13:32 <thomaschaaf> thats really soon
Aug 18 21:13:37 <kevets> my shit better not shutdown
Aug 18 21:13:37 <kevets> lol
Aug 18 21:13:49 <Tibfib> "Continuing to execute current device approach is not in the best interest of HP and shareholders."
Aug 18 21:13:57 <Tibfib> "webOS devices will be shut down by the end of 2011."
Aug 18 21:13:59 <Tibfib> oops ^
Aug 18 21:14:10 <eberon_> damn it, the liveblog is moving on, I want more explanation on shutdown!
Aug 18 21:14:10 <thomaschaaf> what is the stock market saying?
Aug 18 21:14:16 <trsohmers> devices will be shut down?
Aug 18 21:14:16 <rtyler> they'll toggle the killbit on all your devices ;)
Aug 18 21:14:18 <fxspec06> Q4 2011
Aug 18 21:14:25 <trsohmers> Meaning the catalog will be killed?!?!
Aug 18 21:14:28 <rtyler> heh, derek's funny
Aug 18 21:14:29 <kevets> my pre2 is gonna explode
Aug 18 21:14:32 <rwatkins_>  #webosinternals get on it and rebuild the server side!
Aug 18 21:14:33 <rtyler> "(not that you care)"
Aug 18 21:14:34 <thomaschaaf> woops -6%
Aug 18 21:14:37 <fxspec06> he said "hardware" operations
Aug 18 21:14:57 <NuttyBunny> Really? I returned to programming after 5 years, to THIS? ;)
Aug 18 21:15:02 <kevets> lol
Aug 18 21:15:21 <rtyler> turns out node.js doesn't fix everything
Aug 18 21:15:24 * rtyler ducks
Aug 18 21:15:50 <rwatkins_> ok, logging off and heading to the webOS dev meetup "HP TouchPAd Launch Party". should be a rager!
Aug 18 21:16:01 <kevets> everyone's gonna be so wasted
Aug 18 21:16:07 <rwatkins_> http://www.meetup.com/The-New-York-webOS-Software-Developers-Meetup/events/17253600/
Aug 18 21:16:08 <rtyler> rwatkins_: have fun
Aug 18 21:16:15 <dgathright> lol
Aug 18 21:16:15 <rwatkins_> will do
Aug 18 21:16:19 <eberon_> rwatkins: wish I could join yas!
Aug 18 21:16:25 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD: come pick me up, lets go to new york
Aug 18 21:16:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahaha
Aug 18 21:16:30 <kevets> all those devs are gonna be hitting the bar
Aug 18 21:16:31 <fxspec06> i'm along the way
Aug 18 21:16:47 <Deihmos> good thing i did not hang on to this platform like some poeple
Aug 18 21:16:50 <dawm|laptop> i think we would be better off is Palm stayed Palm
Aug 18 21:16:57 <fxspec06> i'd totally go to NY tonight
Aug 18 21:17:05 <Deihmos> Palm would have filed bankrupcy
Aug 18 21:17:13 <kevets> We need some pitchforks
Aug 18 21:17:25 <Tibfib> dawm: it would have been the same result
Aug 18 21:17:28 <Tibfib> just sooner
Aug 18 21:17:29 <rtyler> I keep one in my briefcase at all times
Aug 18 21:17:34 <dawm|laptop> prolly but atleast we wouldnt have been dragged out for months
Aug 18 21:18:26 <Sargun_Screen> :[
Aug 18 21:18:44 <Deihmos> Rubenstein dragged Palm down with those crappy devices they kept bringing out
Aug 18 21:18:48 <kevets> gonna be a merry christmas for webos
Aug 18 21:18:57 <kevets> guess i will have to scratch touchpad off my xmas list
Aug 18 21:18:59 <rtyler> kevets: cheap devices!
Aug 18 21:19:08 <kevets> ah true
Aug 18 21:19:33 <PatrickC> I'm still buying my touchpad
Aug 18 21:19:39 <kevets> i'd like one
Aug 18 21:19:40 <PatrickC> webOS FOR LIFE
Aug 18 21:19:43 * NuttyBunny still wants his TouchPad Go
Aug 18 21:19:43 <rtyler> heh
Aug 18 21:19:47 <PatrickC> its arriving tomorrow
Aug 18 21:19:56 * kevets will go down with the ship
Aug 18 21:19:57 <dawm|laptop> patrick
Aug 18 21:20:00 <fxspec06> PatrickC
Aug 18 21:20:02 <leiru> m(
Aug 18 21:20:03 <dawm|laptop> i dont know if its still valid
Aug 18 21:20:07 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: check UPS, they recalled it an hour ago!
Aug 18 21:20:09 <rtyler> PatrickC: return it immediately and rebuy one after the price plummets :D
Aug 18 21:20:13 <dawm|laptop> but i have a link for bejeweled blitz for PC for half off
Aug 18 21:20:17 <dawm|laptop> from yesterday when it was down
Aug 18 21:20:25 <trsohmers> "We have been tracking webOS... we were successful at launching the software, but we are exploring options to leverage the software in the future. However, our devices were not successful.
Aug 18 21:20:26 <trsohmers> Due to market conditions, continuing to execute in this market space no longer makes sense for HP's shareholders."
Aug 18 21:20:42 <thomaschaaf> wounder what twtomcat will be doing ...
Aug 18 21:20:54 <thomaschaaf> or actually is doing right now
Aug 18 21:20:59 <trsohmers> They are recalling the touch pads?!?!
Aug 18 21:21:22 <PatrickC> they better not be
Aug 18 21:21:47 <thomaschaaf> isn't it funny that they just anounced the white touchpad
Aug 18 21:21:50 <thomaschaaf> yesterday or so?
Aug 18 21:21:55 <directhex> thomaschaaf, "announced"
Aug 18 21:22:03 <PatrickC> yeah lol
Aug 18 21:22:06 <NuttyBunny> and the Pre3 is being delivered already in Europe
Aug 18 21:22:08 <directhex> i think they decided to sell stock that's been piling up at fire sale prices
Aug 18 21:22:12 <trsohmers> OVERVIEW: HP Hates consumers!
Aug 18 21:22:21 <directhex> pre3 hardware's been ready for ages
Aug 18 21:22:24 <rtyler> trsohmers: having worked with consumers, I hate them too :P
Aug 18 21:22:37 <trsohmers> So basically HP is going to be the new IBM
Aug 18 21:22:43 <kevets> 150 in the room now lol
Aug 18 21:22:45 <trsohmers> as in moving out of the consumer industry
Aug 18 21:22:45 <fxspec06> RT: I hate consumers just as much as rtyler and HP
Aug 18 21:22:45 <kevets> nice
Aug 18 21:23:01 <Deihmos> Hp will probably jump on Windows 8
Aug 18 21:23:06 <gokr1> I think "webOS devices" refers to the division in HP called that. Not actual devices in our hands.
Aug 18 21:23:11 <PatrickC> I'll stick with webos till the end
Aug 18 21:23:29 <fxspec06> PatrickC: this is the end
Aug 18 21:23:32 <fxspec06> you're at it
Aug 18 21:23:39 <PatrickC> fxspec06: the end of my devices
Aug 18 21:23:47 <PatrickC> I will stick with them till they die
Aug 18 21:23:49 <singmajesty> Richard Kerris:
Aug 18 21:23:51 <singmajesty> "#HPwebOS is an awesome software platform and now we can explore the best hardware partner for it. #onward."
Aug 18 21:23:59 <PatrickC> singmajesty: old news :)
Aug 18 21:24:09 <singmajesty> Well, I've been busy uploading videos :)
Aug 18 21:24:12 <dcousineau> they have precious little time to find a hardware partner and push devices to the market
Aug 18 21:24:16 <Deihmos> which manufacturer will actually want to use webos
Aug 18 21:24:17 <singmajesty> New to me :)
Aug 18 21:24:23 <PatrickC> you should be busy fighting for us!
Aug 18 21:24:24 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 18 21:24:25 <dcousineau> yeah love the earnings call
Aug 18 21:24:31 <dcousineau> WE DIDNT GAIN TRACTION
Aug 18 21:24:36 <dcousineau> no shit
Aug 18 21:24:39 <gokr1> singmajesty: Like your stuff btw.
Aug 18 21:24:40 <dcousineau> 1.5 months?
Aug 18 21:24:50 <singmajesty> Screencast coming...
Aug 18 21:24:52 <qillerneu> "We will increase our investment in #Enyo for the #HPwebOS platform"
Aug 18 21:24:54 <qillerneu> meh
Aug 18 21:24:59 <halfhalo-work> well then
Aug 18 21:25:08 <leiru> singmajesty: these messages or news or stements from the biz guys are always the same, even if they were failing
Aug 18 21:25:08 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: hai
Aug 18 21:25:12 <PatrickC> singmajesty: shouldn't you be in a meeting saying "DON'T DROP WEBOS"
Aug 18 21:25:12 <NuttyBunny> richardkerris : We will increase our investment in #Enyo for the #HPwebOS platform
Aug 18 21:25:16 <singmajesty> I gave up on YouTube and Vimeo and decided to host on my own server
Aug 18 21:25:24 <leiru> we was the winner, but then...
Aug 18 21:25:37 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/richardkerris/status/104301902585544704
Aug 18 21:25:41 <singmajesty> I'm still traveling out of the country to go to webOS connect events
Aug 18 21:25:45 * gokr1 dreams of Samsung + webOS.... yumyum!
Aug 18 21:25:46 <fxspec06> "We will increase our investment in #Enyo for the #HPwebOS platform" -- richard kerris
Aug 18 21:25:50 <savs> Is this a wake?
Aug 18 21:25:56 <singmajesty> This is really a decision on hardware, not software
Aug 18 21:26:15 <NuttyBunny> you guys are still coming to the Mexico webOS Connect, right? :)
Aug 18 21:26:21 <singmajesty> Yep, I'll be there
Aug 18 21:26:23 <PatrickC> the Nashville one!
Aug 18 21:26:34 <Deihmos> if there is no hardware where is the future for webos?
Aug 18 21:26:35 <PatrickC> wait, you are coming to the Nashville one? :)
Aug 18 21:26:39 <linuxjacques_> The Houston one!
Aug 18 21:26:40 <fxspec06> webos made 256 million and lost 332 million
Aug 18 21:26:48 <PatrickC> Deihmos: licensing
Aug 18 21:26:55 <Deihmos> who would want to use it
Aug 18 21:27:02 <PatrickC> I hope HTC
Aug 18 21:27:09 <Deihmos> can't even get carriers to take the phone
Aug 18 21:27:12 <leiru> a samsung device will not get into my house.
Aug 18 21:27:18 <PatrickC> the hw sucks
Aug 18 21:27:25 <singmajesty> My first PalmOS phone was a Samsung :)
Aug 18 21:27:37 <singmajesty> Currently, OEMs have a choice of Android or... Android
Aug 18 21:27:48 <singmajesty> Actually, I guess Windows Phone 7 might be an option, but not sure
Aug 18 21:27:49 <kevets> fxspec06: hmm and i just saw this one from earlier https://twitter.com/#!/richardkerris/status/104291781906153472
Aug 18 21:27:55 <kevets> i'm optimistic
Aug 18 21:28:00 <singmajesty> webOS is a platform that really IS open
Aug 18 21:28:05 <gokr1> I had a Galaxy I before this Pre2 and that hw is really good.
Aug 18 21:28:08 <kevets> hell its linux based
Aug 18 21:28:09 <kevets> right?
Aug 18 21:28:12 <Deihmos> I think HP is just cutting the losses before they pile up even higher
Aug 18 21:28:14 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 18 21:28:21 <PatrickC> ^ levels
Aug 18 21:28:30 <PatrickC> kevets* stupid auto correct haha
Aug 18 21:28:33 <singmajesty> Because this is an earnings call, I think that ultimately, it is about HP as a brand and company
Aug 18 21:28:36 <kevets> hah
Aug 18 21:28:36 <rtyler> if HP can't afford the risk of a webOS hardware division, why the hell would anybody else
Aug 18 21:28:41 <singmajesty> Creating a new company changes the equation for earnings
Aug 18 21:28:42 <trsohmers> Android is linux based
Aug 18 21:28:49 <madnificent> rtyler: because it will cost a lot less now that hp is ditching it
Aug 18 21:29:01 <singmajesty> Or, taking your strengths (webOS software) and trying to pair that with the strengths of others (hardware)
Aug 18 21:29:16 <kevets> in a way WebOS is kind of bigger than HP
Aug 18 21:29:21 <kevets> in its potential at least
Aug 18 21:29:29 <gokr1> trsohmers: Well, Android uses the kernel, but not much else of what is commonly called "Linux".
Aug 18 21:29:39 <PatrickC> kevets: yeah. webOS is 5 letters, and HP is 2
Aug 18 21:29:40 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 18 21:29:45 <kevets> WAY bigger!
Aug 18 21:29:46 <madnificent> kevets: you can say a lot, but hp has a lot of potential.  you should study the company before making a bold claim :)
Aug 18 21:29:51 <trsohmers> gokr1: True… I was very surprised when I got this touchpad a week ago
Aug 18 21:30:00 <Loudergood> luna isn't very open..
Aug 18 21:30:00 <kevets> i'm just being dilusional i know
Aug 18 21:30:14 <PatrickC> kevets: I'm keeping a glimmer of hope
Aug 18 21:30:17 <kevets> i like me some HP servers
Aug 18 21:30:28 <kesne> Hey guys!
Aug 18 21:30:31 <kesne> What's new?!
Aug 18 21:30:32 <trsohmers> Hello
Aug 18 21:30:34 <trsohmers> Heh
Aug 18 21:30:34 * PatrickC mutters
Aug 18 21:30:37 <Deihmos> there goes any developers that were interested in the platform
Aug 18 21:30:44 <PatrickC> kesne: not now.. :/
Aug 18 21:30:45 <trsohmers> OK! Let's take bets on what HP stock will be like tomorrow
Aug 18 21:30:49 <Deihmos> there might never be a document editor
Aug 18 21:31:00 <PatrickC> Deihmos: Tide
Aug 18 21:31:03 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 18 21:31:03 <gokr1> I just got into the platform - and I am not giving up yet. Hell, it might even turn out for the best.
Aug 18 21:31:16 <NuttyBunny> Deihmos: yep, here we go again, Documents to Go all over again
Aug 18 21:31:23 <Deihmos> have no idea what that is
Aug 18 21:31:37 <fxspec06> trsohmers: Straight line, going in the direction opposite of 'up'
Aug 18 21:31:48 <kesne> So, I'll let you guys decide what platform I go to next. iOS, WP7, or Android?
Aug 18 21:31:55 <trsohmers> fxspec06: Exactly what I was predicting
Aug 18 21:31:59 <singmajesty> Okay, Enyo (with code completion!) screencast is live:
Aug 18 21:32:00 <singmajesty> http://www.joshuagranick.com/videos
Aug 18 21:32:04 <PatrickC> kesne: iOS
Aug 18 21:32:04 <NuttyBunny> kesne: go Meego
Aug 18 21:32:05 <PuffTheMagic> kesne, we dont care where you go!
Aug 18 21:32:07 <directhex> kesne, QNX
Aug 18 21:32:07 <trsohmers> kesne: Android all the way… we do have some awesome developers
Aug 18 21:32:14 <singmajesty> Everyone is probably *much* busier discussing other topics...
Aug 18 21:32:14 <trsohmers> Android FTW
Aug 18 21:32:19 <singmajesty> But it is there, nevertheless
Aug 18 21:32:32 <fxspec06> kesne: Go with webOS! Oh, wait..
Aug 18 21:32:40 <Tibfib> well this is going well
Aug 18 21:32:43 <kevets> Symbian man
Aug 18 21:32:45 <kesne> I made a bit investment with Villo :(
Aug 18 21:32:47 <kevets> its the future
Aug 18 21:32:48 <kesne> Well shit
Aug 18 21:33:06 <thomaschaaf> umm http://twitter.com/#!/richardkerris/status/104301902585544704
Aug 18 21:33:09 <thomaschaaf> what does that mean?!
Aug 18 21:33:13 <Deihmos> expect to see a massive drop in touchpad prices
Aug 18 21:33:20 <PatrickC> kesne: they said the hw is gone
Aug 18 21:33:24 <PatrickC> kesne: #HPwebOS is an awesome software platform and now we can explore the best hardware partner for it. #onward. /via @richardkerris
Aug 18 21:33:28 <Deihmos> might even get one free with a laptop
Aug 18 21:33:32 <fxspec06> thomaschaaf: it means "fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you"
Aug 18 21:33:54 <thomaschaaf> fxspec06: ? sounds more like a we will continue the software side..
Aug 18 21:33:56 <kesne> PatrickC: Unless they announce a hardware partner this week, I'm jumping ship
Aug 18 21:34:00 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, yes HW is dead, and if they dont get webos on a new device before year is up, webos is gonna be dead too
Aug 18 21:34:24 * NuttyBunny dies as well
Aug 18 21:34:30 <Tibfib> umm, if they don't already have one, it might be dead already
Aug 18 21:34:30 <PuffTheMagic> i hope they announce a release partner in 8 days
Aug 18 21:34:34 <fxspec06> PuffTheMagic: i sadly sadly sadly sadly sadly agree
Aug 18 21:34:49 <kesne> I'll give them two weeks, actually
Aug 18 21:34:51 <fxspec06> like . one year is barely hanging by threads
Aug 18 21:34:53 <kesne> But cease all development
Aug 18 21:35:02 <fxspec06> two years is just ..........
Aug 18 21:35:04 <thomaschaaf> Nope webOS died :( except if it goes open source
Aug 18 21:35:05 <ianbeck> Even if they get a new hardware deal it'll be a tough call to continue development
Aug 18 21:35:06 <Tibfib> if they don't already have a "hardware partner"
Aug 18 21:35:11 <ianbeck> Done nothing but support new hardware for months now
Aug 18 21:35:15 * PuffTheMagic changes his wish for launch partner to 15 days
Aug 18 21:35:23 <kevets> "WebOS would require significant investments over the next five years, generating risk without clear rewards."
Aug 18 21:35:23 <trsohmers> webOS+Android
Aug 18 21:35:24 <directhex> i'm going to /part. this channel is far too depressing right now.
Aug 18 21:35:27 <flare576> I bought my touchpad a week ago... if they don't have a partner in another 2, it's going back 'cause I can't afford a device that will never expand :(
Aug 18 21:35:32 <fxspec06> i will say this: i am NOT beginning any new webos apps until i hear a partnership
Aug 18 21:35:34 <Tibfib> directhex: fairwell
Aug 18 21:35:35 <kevets> they are either gonna sell it off or open source it
Aug 18 21:35:39 <Tibfib> farewell?
Aug 18 21:35:40 <Tibfib> hmmm
Aug 18 21:35:42 <kevets> i think the former
Aug 18 21:35:48 <directhex> the latter.
Aug 18 21:35:51 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 18 21:35:54 <kevets> ha
Aug 18 21:35:56 <trsohmers> I doubt they would be able to sell it
Aug 18 21:36:03 <kevets> i'd like them to can it an open source it
Aug 18 21:36:05 <trsohmers> Well, maybe Google would buy it for the patents
Aug 18 21:36:06 <fxspec06> who are they going to sell it to?
Aug 18 21:36:11 <fxspec06> apple?
Aug 18 21:36:23 <Tibfib> HP, thanks, really, thank you.
Aug 18 21:36:25 <PuffTheMagic> they dont need to sell it, just license it off
Aug 18 21:36:33 <dcousineau> no they need to sell it
Aug 18 21:36:34 <kevets> they can make some cash off it
Aug 18 21:36:40 <thomaschaaf> why would I license it?
Aug 18 21:36:40 <dcousineau> who teh fuck is going to license it without the patents
Aug 18 21:36:44 <dcousineau> its a full out war right now
Aug 18 21:36:44 <fxspec06> they can, but it sounds like they DON'T WANT TO
Aug 18 21:36:45 <kevets> lol
Aug 18 21:36:54 <fxspec06> it's been A YEAR
Aug 18 21:36:56 <kevets> they are morans
Aug 18 21:36:58 <fxspec06> a full year
Aug 18 21:37:04 <thomaschaaf> why would a manufacturer choose webos over android..
Aug 18 21:37:21 <kevets> stupid android messing up all the fun
Aug 18 21:37:23 <rtyler> thomaschaaf: because they're morons? :P
Aug 18 21:37:24 <PuffTheMagic> cause every android user that sees webos wishes it was on thir fun
Aug 18 21:37:25 <nohorse> +1 for open source
Aug 18 21:37:25 <flare576> Man... I had just convinced myself to stay true on the WebOS train... and now the conductor decided to drive the train off a bridge and "Hope there's a rail to catch us"
Aug 18 21:37:25 <Tibfib> thomaschaaf: because google bought motorola
Aug 18 21:37:27 <Tommy> trsohmers: i think they could definitely sell it
Aug 18 21:37:40 <madnificent> they should open source it \o/
Aug 18 21:37:47 <fxspec06> they won't
Aug 18 21:37:51 <Tommy> lol, they *should*, says who?
Aug 18 21:37:52 <trsohmers> The only companies that would buy it would be Apple and Google
Aug 18 21:37:52 <fxspec06> it won't ever be open sourced
Aug 18 21:37:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> It is clear that Leo Apotheker belongs in kindergarten
Aug 18 21:37:53 <PuffTheMagic> how would open sourcing it help?
Aug 18 21:37:54 <linuxjacques> I agree. open source it.
Aug 18 21:37:55 <Tommy> that wouldn't benefit them at ALL
Aug 18 21:37:58 <kevets> "We're basically biding our time until the Q&A -- really hoping someone asks about licensing webOS."
Aug 18 21:37:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> he has no fucking idea what he's doing
Aug 18 21:37:59 <trsohmers> and I would only want Google to buy it
Aug 18 21:38:00 <madnificent> Tommy: SAYS I!
Aug 18 21:38:12 <Tommy> madnificent: i'd love it if they did, but come on, it wouldn't benefit their company
Aug 18 21:38:27 <PuffTheMagic> selling makes no sense
Aug 18 21:38:36 <PuffTheMagic> it doesnt need to get sold to get new HW partners
Aug 18 21:38:40 <PuffTheMagic> that is what is needed
Aug 18 21:38:44 <fxspec06> they've got to spend money to shut down webos
Aug 18 21:38:52 <Deihmos> they made such a loss paying 1.2 billion for Palm
Aug 18 21:39:01 <thomaschaaf> wow hp is going basurk http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHPQ
Aug 18 21:39:03 <dcousineau> PuffTheMagic: selling makes perfect sense given everyone is suing everyone
Aug 18 21:39:10 <thomaschaaf> -7.15 % right now
Aug 18 21:39:17 <Tommy> Deihmos: yeah, and they made all of the same mistakes
Aug 18 21:39:23 <dcousineau> PuffTheMagic: who wants to risk new software with new violations with a strong patent portfolio?
Aug 18 21:39:35 <madnificent> Tommy: indeed
Aug 18 21:39:40 <Deihmos> i am pretty sure the veer and the crappy pre 3 all came from palm
Aug 18 21:40:07 <Deihmos> i think HP just realizes that they will have to invest too much money to make a dent in the market
Aug 18 21:40:12 <Tommy> anyone here have a touchpad?
Aug 18 21:40:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yup, I do, gladly
Aug 18 21:40:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I love it
Aug 18 21:40:25 <NuttyBunny> aah!! lost audio!
Aug 18 21:40:30 <NuttyBunny> me 2 :D
Aug 18 21:40:40 <dcousineau> me 3
Aug 18 21:40:41 <NuttyBunny> 32Gb beast
Aug 18 21:40:42 <Tommy> now i'm glad i never got a webOS device
Aug 18 21:40:46 <flare576> Tommy: yup, why?
Aug 18 21:40:48 <Tommy> support? lolz
Aug 18 21:40:53 <Tommy> how many new apps you think you're getting
Aug 18 21:40:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> a bunch
Aug 18 21:40:58 <Tommy> flare576: i was just curious
Aug 18 21:41:00 <trsohmers> Goodbye Touchpad :(
Aug 18 21:41:05 <Tommy> apparently they sold like fire in hell
Aug 18 21:41:10 <trsohmers> I only knew you for a week...
Aug 18 21:41:14 <NuttyBunny> *1
Aug 18 21:41:15 <NuttyBunny> *1
Aug 18 21:41:16 <NuttyBunny> *1
Aug 18 21:41:17 <fxspec06> q&a time
Aug 18 21:41:17 <NuttyBunny> :D
Aug 18 21:41:20 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: oh yeah, developers wanna support a platform that's been canceled
Aug 18 21:41:23 <Tommy> gg
Aug 18 21:41:28 <flare576> Q&A time...
Aug 18 21:41:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> why don't you go burn yourself to death?
Aug 18 21:41:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fucking troll
Aug 18 21:41:44 <rtyler> heh
Aug 18 21:41:54 <kesne> I have four tablets.
Aug 18 21:41:59 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: all i said is i'm glad i didn't buy one, i considered it
Aug 18 21:42:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> gloves are off now, let's burn PreCentral to the ground like a bunch of rioters
Aug 18 21:42:09 <trsohmers> I have three tablets right now
Aug 18 21:42:10 <Tommy> i was just thinking about it yesterday in fact
Aug 18 21:42:12 <NuttyBunny>  /ignore Tommy
Aug 18 21:42:19 <trsohmers> actually four tablets, including the touchpad
Aug 18 21:42:20 <kevets> lol
Aug 18 21:42:24 <Tommy> lol @ announcing ignores
Aug 18 21:42:29 <Tommy> that's what 14 year old girls do
Aug 18 21:42:35 <fxspec06> "three and a half tabs"
Aug 18 21:42:35 <Tibfib> rwhitby: ping
Aug 18 21:42:44 <millenomi> um: https://twitter.com/#!/richardkerris/statuses/104291781906153472
Aug 18 21:42:52 <millenomi> sorry if it was already posted, didn't see it in my scrollback
Aug 18 21:43:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it was, but that's okay
Aug 18 21:43:10 <kevets> yeah i like that thinking
Aug 18 21:43:21 <PatrickC> I hope he's right
Aug 18 21:44:00 <weboswatcher> apothekar wants to run an enterprise software company and is getting his wish
Aug 18 21:44:11 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/TheMrsThomsen/status/104304770696749058
Aug 18 21:44:12 <trsohmers> And it will fail
Aug 18 21:44:13 <kevets> wtf are these questions
Aug 18 21:44:21 <ianbeck> Investors
Aug 18 21:44:25 <haeffb> Tibfib: good idea
Aug 18 21:44:36 <ianbeck> Have to say everything in doublespeak lest someone doesn't take them seriously
Aug 18 21:44:36 <trsohmers> Business questions… where the hell are the tech blog questions?!?
Aug 18 21:44:38 <weboswatcher> this is why apple and google keep those huge cash stockpiles around
Aug 18 21:44:48 <rtyler> fxspec06: good find, resembles my sentiments :)
Aug 18 21:44:49 <Tibfib> haeffb: what is?
Aug 18 21:44:57 <kevets> "CAN I HAS WEBOS?"
Aug 18 21:45:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://twitter.com/#!/jaaksi/statuses/104307041681670144
Aug 18 21:45:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://twitter.com/#!/jaaksi/statuses/104307041681670144
Aug 18 21:46:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> whoops
Aug 18 21:46:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but it did need two posts
Aug 18 21:46:15 <haeffb> oh, I thought your ping was troll-related...
Aug 18 21:46:20 <akanster`> what does that even mean?
Aug 18 21:46:22 <Tibfib> LOL: "4:43 pm Standing offer: I will pay any analyst $50 to ask if the computer is no longer personal."
Aug 18 21:46:25 <Tibfib> haeffb: it was
Aug 18 21:46:43 <leiru> haeffb: may i troll you? was this an invention?
Aug 18 21:46:44 <leiru> :D
Aug 18 21:47:20 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: who is that?
Aug 18 21:47:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> works at Palm
Aug 18 21:47:31 <leiru> ;)
Aug 18 21:47:35 <Tibfib> big dog at palm
Aug 18 21:47:37 <trsohmers> Anyone want to buy a 32GB touchpad? :P
Aug 18 21:47:45 <kesne> trsohmers: How much?
Aug 18 21:47:47 <kesne> I actually would
Aug 18 21:47:50 <rtyler> $50!
Aug 18 21:47:53 <trsohmers> $1
Aug 18 21:47:54 <trsohmers> lol
Aug 18 21:47:54 <PatrickC> $75
Aug 18 21:47:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> PatrickC: Senior VP of webOS
Aug 18 21:47:58 <madnificent> perhaps I should make tasks@hand free now...
Aug 18 21:48:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> $600
Aug 18 21:48:02 <leiru> lol
Aug 18 21:48:04 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: AWESOME!
Aug 18 21:48:10 <trsohmers> I'd do it for $400 heh
Aug 18 21:48:20 <leiru> brawhahaha.
Aug 18 21:48:25 <Tibfib> I think regardless, this is the death of webOS
Aug 18 21:48:28 <trsohmers> HOPEFULLY I can return it
Aug 18 21:48:31 <Tibfib> sooo many devs are going to jump ship
Aug 18 21:48:35 <Tibfib> myself possibly included
Aug 18 21:48:37 <singmajesty> "We will continue webOS platform full speed! #webOS"
Aug 18 21:48:40 <PatrickC> I wont
Aug 18 21:48:42 <Draecos> what a complete crock of shit
Aug 18 21:48:45 <PatrickC> singmajesty: saw that!
Aug 18 21:48:47 <Draecos> sorry but it is
Aug 18 21:48:49 <kevets> REALLY?
Aug 18 21:48:50 <kevets> Q: "Okay. Leo, can you give us your views between the synergies between the printer business and enterprise business."
Aug 18 21:48:52 <kevets> CMON
Aug 18 21:48:54 <Tibfib> Draecos: to what?
Aug 18 21:48:55 <leiru> singmajesty: dream further.
Aug 18 21:49:00 <madnificent> I'm in doubt... but I might... if there's /any/ sign of life, I'll do my best to support it
Aug 18 21:49:01 <singmajesty> That's Ari Jaaski
Aug 18 21:49:04 <dcousineau> Tibfib: understandible. I won't be jumping ship, BUT one needs critical mass
Aug 18 21:49:05 <Draecos> Tibfib, this whole situ
Aug 18 21:49:05 <fxspec06> I'll invest $10,000 in that touchpad, but then I'll sell it tomorrow for $1 on ebay
Aug 18 21:49:09 * madnificent wants hurd back
Aug 18 21:49:11 <rtyler> kevets: don't you start badmouthing synergies
Aug 18 21:49:11 <singmajesty> He's head of webOS platform development
Aug 18 21:49:16 <dcousineau> Tibfib: We need reassurance soon
Aug 18 21:49:20 <kevets> lol
Aug 18 21:49:22 <Tibfib> dcousineau: agreed
Aug 18 21:49:30 <Draecos> Tibfib, sorry im struggling to see passed the red mist atm
Aug 18 21:49:36 <trsohmers> Hey guys, who knows… maybe the touchpad will be a collectible in 20 years
Aug 18 21:49:40 <dcousineau> If they told us continued software updates and new devices within 6 months
Aug 18 21:49:42 <Tibfib> "we're going full speed, unless HP decides to stop us"
Aug 18 21:49:49 <nohorse> I was going to bring chumby to webOS :(
Aug 18 21:49:52 <Tibfib> Draecos: oh it sucks
Aug 18 21:49:53 <dcousineau> but we need a hardware partner  posthaste
Aug 18 21:49:57 <weboswatcher> thing i'll miss most is the touchstone
Aug 18 21:50:02 <kevets> Draecos: whoa that is kind of ironic... the first user on the forums to post about their Pre3 was named RedMist
Aug 18 21:50:06 <kevets> it was a warning shot
Aug 18 21:50:09 <Draecos> heh
Aug 18 21:50:23 <Draecos> im more pissed that I might have to buy a new device
Aug 18 21:50:23 <leiru> i was hard  betting on webos, even declined a mac and iphone for deloping for iOS, which markets are far better.
Aug 18 21:50:27 <azakus> PatrickC: you pinged?
Aug 18 21:50:32 <leiru> now, what hp has to offer me.
Aug 18 21:50:33 <akanster`> dcousineau: with WP7 and Android, what partner is going to dedicate that kind of resouces to webOS?
Aug 18 21:50:35 <leiru> a dead platform
Aug 18 21:50:43 <leiru> and i get new devices for free.
Aug 18 21:50:44 <trsohmers> WOW
Aug 18 21:51:03 <dcousineau> akanster`: exactly
Aug 18 21:51:09 <kevets> someone needs to bring up a question about webos or there will be some angry nerds out there
Aug 18 21:51:12 <trsohmers> The kin lived for 48 days before being announced it was going to be kiled
Aug 18 21:51:14 <fxspec06> I think twitter stopped sending me emails
Aug 18 21:51:19 <weboswatcher> seriously touchstones, why does nobody else do proper touchstone equivalents
Aug 18 21:51:19 <trsohmers> The Touchpad lasted 49 days
Aug 18 21:51:19 <kesne> Ohhh
Aug 18 21:51:24 <weboswatcher> powermat is not cutting it
Aug 18 21:51:24 <kesne> Angry birds spin-off
Aug 18 21:51:28 <kesne> Called Angry Nergs
Aug 18 21:51:30 <kesne> *Nerds
Aug 18 21:51:41 <flare576> I'd buy it.
Aug 18 21:51:45 <kevets> throwing pitchforks at HP
Aug 18 21:51:49 <fxspec06> here, a webos question
Aug 18 21:51:53 <haeffb> flinging android tablets at HP
Aug 18 21:51:58 <kevets> lol
Aug 18 21:52:10 <nohorse> webos question
Aug 18 21:52:14 <haeffb> weboswatcher: patents?
Aug 18 21:52:23 <twbbas> kesne: I will make that game for the discontinued webOS products and play it on my 2009 Pre every day
Aug 18 21:52:34 <kevets> haha
Aug 18 21:52:40 <kesne> Disgruntled Avians
Aug 18 21:52:41 <kevets> i'd play some Angry Nerds
Aug 18 21:52:49 <dcousineau> playing it right now
Aug 18 21:52:51 <kevets> it can be all webos themed
Aug 18 21:53:04 <twbbas> We throw Pres with sharp slider extended at HP
Aug 18 21:53:10 <kevets> oh yeah
Aug 18 21:53:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and Leo can be the end boss
Aug 18 21:53:20 <PatrickC> azakus: it was about jstop.. but now that webos is dead...
Aug 18 21:53:34 <leiru> at least... i could strengthen my JS skills and soon be hired as javascript ninja after beeing 2 years frontend developer at a mobile company.
Aug 18 21:53:35 <trsohmers> "We'll look at all the options"
Aug 18 21:53:39 <flare576> "Let me try to answer this: We don't care.  We dont' have a plan, and we dont' care"
Aug 18 21:53:42 <Tibfib> REALLY, they have no CURRENT paln on webOS?
Aug 18 21:53:44 <kevets> A: (Leo) "Let me try to answer this. What the board and management team  has been working on is to look at all over our options, and we need to  look at all of the strategic options. The announcement today will allow  us to look much more closely... over time a decision will crystallize.  That's all I can say right now."
Aug 18 21:53:44 <Tibfib> PATHETIC
Aug 18 21:53:47 <dcousineau> I love his answers
Aug 18 21:53:48 <kevets> wow that was some bs
Aug 18 21:53:55 <dcousineau> WHY ANNOUNCE NOW IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOURE DOING?
Aug 18 21:53:57 <dcousineau> fuck you leo
Aug 18 21:53:58 <nohorse> regarding webos and the future of webos, we are looking at options concerning the software. the software has been recieved very well.  looking at 3rd party devices, licensing, etc to extract value out of webOS
Aug 18 21:54:01 * PatrickC leaves
Aug 18 21:54:06 <leiru> so, webOS wasn't a real fail for me
Aug 18 21:54:07 <NuttyBunny> he mentioned licensing!
Aug 18 21:54:09 <fxspec06> he just said he is looking to license it
Aug 18 21:54:14 <weboswatcher> yeah over/unders on how much advance notice the palm team got?
Aug 18 21:54:15 <trsohmers> "Regarding the future of webOS, we are looking at all of our strategic options regarding
Aug 18 21:54:15 <trsohmers> the software. The software has been received very well, everyone likes it. We will be looking at all possible business models, from licensing to any other possibility, to look at how to extract value from webOS."
Aug 18 21:54:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Leo needs to be returned to Kindergarten, where he belongs
Aug 18 21:54:19 <trsohmers> That was Leo
Aug 18 21:54:22 <weboswatcher> i'm guessing everyone but senior leadership found out today
Aug 18 21:54:25 <kesne> Yeah
Aug 18 21:54:28 <kesne> So I'm outta here
Aug 18 21:54:30 <kevets> extract value
Aug 18 21:54:36 <kevets> oh boy
Aug 18 21:54:39 <dcousineau> adora and chuq have been at a loss
Aug 18 21:54:45 <dcousineau> chuq put on a strong face for the kids
Aug 18 21:55:06 <dcousineau> "And that was a very practiced non-answer"
Aug 18 21:55:08 <dcousineau> fucking gold
Aug 18 21:55:15 <ianbeck> So HP announces webOS is dead, claims that they will be going strong on it, but don't actually have any plans? Uh, right. Confidence, inspired
Aug 18 21:55:23 <dcousineau> seriously
Aug 18 21:55:35 <linuxjacques> yeah.
Aug 18 21:55:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> he literally has no idea what he's doing
Aug 18 21:55:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> he has no idea how to run a company
Aug 18 21:55:49 * flare576 glances down at his touchpad, a tear forming in the corner of his eye "no, baby, I don't think you're coming home with daddy tonight."
Aug 18 21:55:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> or make announcement
Aug 18 21:56:09 <trsohmers> "Perhaps HP should "continue to explore options to optimize the value" of Leo Apotheker."
Aug 18 21:56:21 <dcousineau> IGNTNUNLMTD: no he doesn't, at least not run a company who isn't already #1
Aug 18 21:56:38 <CTLAdvance> kesne why u leaving us?
Aug 18 21:56:40 <dcousineau> I mean seriously, did they think that buying Palm would cure their ills and they would have record sales in the eve of the iPad2 launch?
Aug 18 21:56:42 <NuttyBunny> analyze THIS! :P
Aug 18 21:56:43 <dcousineau> fukcing seriously
Aug 18 21:57:12 <fxspec06> i'm torn
Aug 18 21:57:23 <kesne> CTLAdvance: Well, I'm meeting with everyone later today to discuss possibilities.
Aug 18 21:57:24 <fxspec06> i'm already bipolar, this is not helping at all
Aug 18 21:57:29 <Tibfib> dangit I wish I had a mac
Aug 18 21:57:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Why Tibfib?
Aug 18 21:57:43 <Tibfib> so I could do iOS dev
Aug 18 21:57:44 <nohorse> dumping another year of investiment into the platform would have been nice.  we are so at the beginning of the tablet game.  everone but apple is in pure R&D mode.  I'm really suprised the HP was not putting more int R&D as a longer term investment.  they have a strong history of R&D.
Aug 18 21:57:45 * haeffb feels concerned for my friends who left other jobs to join webOS...
Aug 18 21:57:45 <fxspec06> to make ios apps
Aug 18 21:57:48 <DraX> are you guys still talking about this?
Aug 18 21:57:49 <fxspec06> me too.
Aug 18 21:57:51 <trsohmers> "Congratulations to Mark Hurd's mistress lady -- you are now officially the butterfly whose effect killed Palm."
Aug 18 21:57:52 <trsohmers> HAHA
Aug 18 21:57:55 <fxspec06> still talking about this?!?!?
Aug 18 21:57:58 <weboswatcher> apothekar: webOS is a great...for me to piss on
Aug 18 21:58:04 <fxspec06> are you serious Drax
Aug 18 21:58:07 <DraX> yes
Aug 18 21:58:13 <CTLAdvance> So I guess it is time to send the touchpad back
Aug 18 21:58:17 <fxspec06> you're speaking with people who have invested their lives into webos
Aug 18 21:58:17 <Tibfib> haeffb: yeah, seriously
Aug 18 21:58:22 <CTLAdvance> I dont think we will see any new devices in the near future
Aug 18 21:58:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> DraX: DIAF
Aug 18 21:58:25 <CTLAdvance> or near 1 year
Aug 18 21:58:31 <fxspec06> yea
Aug 18 21:58:36 <DraX> :D
Aug 18 21:58:38 <CTLAdvance> ugh
Aug 18 21:58:44 <fxspec06> agfhdghishgiahirgeuishibdhifbdhixbxfgunkxfbhfduv
Aug 18 21:59:02 <weboswatcher> actually does the personal systems division include their monitors?
Aug 18 21:59:02 <kesne> CTLAdvance: We've already begun secret ventures into Android and WP7, so we're looking into transitioning to those exclusively.
Aug 18 21:59:20 <leiru> https://twitter.com/#!/glebd/status/104294045299392512
Aug 18 21:59:20 <fxspec06> kesne: shhhh
Aug 18 21:59:25 <twbbas> kesne: Are you talking about Villo?
Aug 18 21:59:25 <Draecos> if a company like HTC had any sense they'd be picking up the phone to ring HP about now.
Aug 18 21:59:26 <leiru> HP decided to stick to its core skill—production of printer ink.
Aug 18 21:59:27 <fxspec06> noah be upset
Aug 18 21:59:50 <fxspec06> http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/18/hp-not-walking-away-webos-exclusive-details/
Aug 18 22:00:00 <ianbeck> Ha ha, man; Leo's responses to questions about webOS and PCs are downright comical
Aug 18 22:00:02 <fxspec06> An insider has given us details from an all-hands meeting HP just held with employees in the webOS Global Business Unit in light of today’s announcement that HP will no longer make webOS devices. In the meeting, webOS GBU VP Stephen DeWitt made it clear that HP intends to continue to work on webOS and likely intends to license it. DeWitt was adamant, saying several times “We are not walking
Aug 18 22:00:02 <fxspec06> away from webOS.” He detailed a plan to try to determine what the platform’s future will look like within the next two weeks, although he admitted that “Clearly, we don’t have all the answers today.”
Aug 18 22:00:05 <ianbeck> How many words can you use to say absolutely nothing?
Aug 18 22:00:16 <kesne> twbbas: that's part of it
Aug 18 22:00:41 <twbbas> I literally no desire to finish this update of my app
Aug 18 22:00:42 <kesne> twbbas: Though, a lot of where Villo goes it out of my hands.
Aug 18 22:00:46 <Draecos> so HP you bastards, I've got to find a phone that has a physcial keyboard that I like
Aug 18 22:00:53 <Draecos> which is very few these days
Aug 18 22:01:03 <dcousineau> so stupid
Aug 18 22:01:04 <dcousineau> so stupid
Aug 18 22:01:14 <dcousineau> earth shattering announcement, hey we have a plan, whats the plan, we don't know
Aug 18 22:01:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> did you expect anything else from them?
Aug 18 22:01:30 <CTLAdvance> Kesne - I have been working IOS and Android since March
Aug 18 22:01:30 <dcousineau> IGNTNUNLMTD: sadly yes
Aug 18 22:01:33 <fxspec06> wow, i have the TIMN page article, and i'm so upset right now that when i look away from dead center on the HP logo, it begins pulsating
Aug 18 22:01:39 <Tibfib> Can we just all agree to walk away from webOS?
Aug 18 22:01:39 <dcousineau> IGNTNUNLMTD: I would have expected a stealth deal or some shit
Aug 18 22:01:39 <CTLAdvance> will be adding WP7 in the near future
Aug 18 22:01:46 <kesne> CTLAdvance: We've been working with it for over a year.
Aug 18 22:01:55 <dcousineau> I want enyo licensed so spazHD can walk away intact
Aug 18 22:01:55 <Draecos> Tibfib, i think it might be that
Aug 18 22:01:56 <ianbeck> Tibfib: Meet you over on Windows 7? :-)
Aug 18 22:01:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dcousineau: all they can do is sell overpriced ink... they're shit at everything else
Aug 18 22:02:01 <leiru> the message seems to be clear: [...] to look at how to extract value from webOS."
Aug 18 22:02:04 <Meetoman> is it true!!!
Aug 18 22:02:06 <Meetoman> OMG =(
Aug 18 22:02:07 <CTLAdvance> with what
Aug 18 22:02:09 <leiru> i think, hrm okay
Aug 18 22:02:16 <Tibfib> ianbeck: wp7, eh?
Aug 18 22:02:18 <leiru> extract what you want biz-suckers
Aug 18 22:02:22 <Meetoman> chuqui, do you need a job?
Aug 18 22:02:27 <Tibfib> Can't decide whether to go iOS or wp7
Aug 18 22:02:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same
Aug 18 22:02:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> er
Aug 18 22:02:34 <ianbeck> Tibfib: Migrated to webOS to get away from iOS
Aug 18 22:02:34 <Tibfib> WP7 would be better for dev honestly
Aug 18 22:02:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, not same
Aug 18 22:02:39 <Meetoman> I like WebOS tho =(
Aug 18 22:02:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> WP7, Tibfib
Aug 18 22:02:42 <Meetoman> omg =(
Aug 18 22:02:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> let's do it
Aug 18 22:02:45 <kesne> Is oil here?
Aug 18 22:02:48 <Meetoman> how can they do this to us?
Aug 18 22:02:54 <Meetoman> this is the best platform to develop on
Aug 18 22:02:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they don't care about anything but money
Aug 18 22:03:00 <dcousineau> WP7 has good dev support, Koenig (DFW dallas rep) hands out wp7 phones like crazy at events
Aug 18 22:03:10 <linuxjacques> very short term money at that.
Aug 18 22:03:23 <Meetoman> Blackberry should've bought WebOS
Aug 18 22:03:29 <Tibfib> no, stop
Aug 18 22:03:31 <Meetoman> and intergrate their shitty system
Aug 18 22:03:34 <Tibfib> RIM buying webOS would have been pathetic.
Aug 18 22:03:38 <Meetoman> I can't believe this =(
Aug 18 22:03:38 <Tibfib> Anyway
Aug 18 22:03:39 <singmajesty> http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/18/hp-not-walking-away-webos-exclusive-details/
Aug 18 22:03:40 <CTLAdvance> WP7 has ungodly amounts of dev support from ms
Aug 18 22:03:51 <Tibfib> I think I'll get WP7, and maybe an iPod touch
Aug 18 22:03:53 <CTLAdvance> not so much a community, more or less a parent child relationship
Aug 18 22:04:01 <haeffb> singmajesty: "There will be staff reductions." :(
Aug 18 22:04:11 <dcousineau> there's the question
Aug 18 22:04:18 <Tibfib> singmajesty: it isn't the same mate. Sorry :(
Aug 18 22:04:35 <dcousineau> singmajesty: that's a non answer. I want to stay with WebOS I do
Aug 18 22:04:35 <Meetoman> =(
Aug 18 22:04:40 <trsohmers> OH NO THEY/SHE DIDNT!
Aug 18 22:05:07 <trsohmers> From my understanding, she just said that the reason that webOS didn't catch on was because Palm didn't push it...
Aug 18 22:05:14 <twbbas> webOS is trending again
Aug 18 22:05:15 <dcousineau> if they're doing staff reductions how does that assure me webos will improve
Aug 18 22:05:32 <rtyler> twbbas: heh, nice catch
Aug 18 22:05:34 <ianbeck> singmajesty: Does it matter if you aren't walking away from webOS? After all, best case scenario we're looking at months without profits on a platform that has consistently failed to perform. Why are things suddenly going to change now that HP has killed their hardware barely a month after releasing their new tablet?
Aug 18 22:05:34 <Tibfib> rwhitby is awake
Aug 18 22:05:39 <rtyler> twbbas: not for the right reasons
Aug 18 22:05:44 <fxspec06> the dinosaur has awoken
Aug 18 22:05:58 <singmajesty> I love webOS
Aug 18 22:05:59 <twbbas> rtyler: It was trending right before the call too
Aug 18 22:06:05 <singmajesty> Personally, webOS feels like a "real" operating system
Aug 18 22:06:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes
Aug 18 22:06:11 <singmajesty> Instead of a gadget launcher
Aug 18 22:06:11 <twbbas> rtyler: Funny though, the other trending topics at the time were this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21217021/webostrending2.png
Aug 18 22:06:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Android doesn't
Aug 18 22:06:14 <singmajesty> So I'm hopeful
Aug 18 22:06:17 <ianbeck> singmajesty: So do I, but what an operating system without hardware isn't much use
Aug 18 22:06:25 <ianbeck> singmajesty: And hope has consistently failed to pay the bills for me
Aug 18 22:06:26 <leiru> ianbeck: +1
Aug 18 22:06:30 <singmajesty> I think that Android has been a success because, honestly, what else were companies like Motorola supposed to do?
Aug 18 22:06:34 <singmajesty> Their software was horrible
Aug 18 22:06:37 <Meetoman> =*(
Aug 18 22:06:42 <Meetoman> so long
Aug 18 22:06:43 <dcousineau> android feels like feature phone to me honestly
Aug 18 22:06:51 <Meetoman> I feel so dumb
Aug 18 22:06:54 <singmajesty> It might be interesting if there were more webOS device choices
Aug 18 22:06:59 <Meetoman> I feel betrayed by HP
Aug 18 22:07:02 <singmajesty> Imagine if there was a new webOS phone every month or two?
Aug 18 22:07:11 <nohorse> the palm hardware eng:  this poor people...
Aug 18 22:07:11 <Meetoman> Apple has one phone per year
Aug 18 22:07:12 <rtyler> Meetoman: I'm sure support groups will crop up for you :P
Aug 18 22:07:13 <fxspec06> i disagree. the software alone is amazing
Aug 18 22:07:14 <dcousineau> singmajesty: it would have been. I don't think webOS can survive the deep freeze required to wait out for more devices
Aug 18 22:07:17 <Tibfib> singmajesty: we all love webOS. WE really do. We want it to succeed. We REALLY do. HP doesn't seem to be willing to work to get webOS to succeed.
Aug 18 22:07:21 <singmajesty> I think that there is something special in the webOS platform. Honestly, I personally like the hardware, too
Aug 18 22:07:22 <dcousineau> Meetoman: apple is apple stop trying to think about them
Aug 18 22:07:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Lesjak is a stupid bitch
Aug 18 22:07:25 <singmajesty> I like my Pre 3 :)
Aug 18 22:07:27 <ianbeck> singmajesty: That's my nightmare; I can barely keep up with TouchPad and Pre3 in short succession
Aug 18 22:07:34 <akanster`> except for the TP, we are in the same exact position we were in last year
Aug 18 22:07:37 <Meetoman> =(
Aug 18 22:07:42 <fxspec06> singmajesty: i love the ahrdware also
Aug 18 22:07:46 <singmajesty> So, I'm curious to see what happens
Aug 18 22:07:46 <Meetoman> they just released these products
Aug 18 22:07:53 <singmajesty> This doesn't sound like a death knell ... at all.
Aug 18 22:07:57 <rwhitby> morning
Aug 18 22:07:57 <Tibfib> Yes it is.
Aug 18 22:07:57 <singmajesty> In fact, who knows?
Aug 18 22:07:59 <dcousineau> akanster`: only last time the sale was announced first
Aug 18 22:08:00 <fxspec06> Meetoman: THEY HAVEN'T EVEN RELEASED THE PRE 3 YET
Aug 18 22:08:05 <Tibfib> rwhitby: morning
Aug 18 22:08:08 <fxspec06> it's shipped to like 1,000 ppl
Aug 18 22:08:17 <dcousineau> rwhitby: shitty morning eh :|
Aug 18 22:08:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rwhitby: morning :-(
Aug 18 22:08:19 <singmajesty> For now, I know the software is continuing...
Aug 18 22:08:24 <singmajesty> and we'll see what tomorrow brings.
Aug 18 22:08:28 <Tibfib> for what purpose?
Aug 18 22:08:29 <fxspec06> rwhitby: good morning, hope your day is better than ours was
Aug 18 22:08:30 <dcousineau> we will
Aug 18 22:08:34 <Tibfib> HP doesn't even have  plan.
Aug 18 22:08:42 <Meetoman> whats gona happen to us?
Aug 18 22:08:43 <flare576> Ok, question:  If HP would have come out and said "Hey, we're not going to make any more devices, but HTC has a slider and slate ready for Q2 release next year." what would your thoughts have been?
Aug 18 22:08:49 <Meetoman> are we alone?
Aug 18 22:08:51 <ianbeck> And top management is just spouting double-speak and trying to redirect focus to recent acquisition
Aug 18 22:08:53 <singmajesty> They recently consolidated the Personal Systems Group all under one roof
Aug 18 22:08:53 <dcousineau> flare576: excited
Aug 18 22:08:56 <leiru> rwhitby: :(
Aug 18 22:09:07 <singmajesty> This might not be sudden
Aug 18 22:09:18 <fxspec06> flare576: it doesn't matter. that question is moot
Aug 18 22:09:20 <flare576> dcousineau: same... but instead the come out and basically said "we're not giving up, but we have no plan"
Aug 18 22:09:21 <Meetoman> Luckily I havn't developed for Enyo yet, otherwise I'd feel more screwed
Aug 18 22:09:22 <fxspec06> because it didn't happen
Aug 18 22:09:23 <nohorse> how many htc or samsung phone run on qualcom chips?  webos only runs on quallcomm
Aug 18 22:09:39 <Deihmos> I switched from webos to android. imo webos feels like a feature phone in comparison
Aug 18 22:09:40 <dcousineau> singmajesty: if anything thinking along those lines scares me more. they were ready. If they were going to truly keep webos going why consolodate with their failing PC business?
Aug 18 22:09:43 <linuxjacques> last I checked, pre was OMAP
Aug 18 22:09:48 <Deihmos> no office suite
Aug 18 22:09:56 <dcousineau> flare576: that's corp speak for we're giving up please don't rape our stocks
Aug 18 22:10:05 <trsohmers> The pre was a TI OMAP 3530
Aug 18 22:10:17 <flare576> dcousineau: hah, hopefully not true, but possible none-the-less
Aug 18 22:10:18 <trsohmers> same as the Beagleboard development board, and the Motorola Droid
Aug 18 22:10:49 <dcousineau> flare576: I want to hope
Aug 18 22:11:06 <trsohmers> I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Aug 18 22:11:11 <dcousineau> "Question about driving the storage business in the future. These people are witnessing a murder and talking about the weather."
Aug 18 22:11:15 <dcousineau> good fucking comment :|
Aug 18 22:11:18 <Meetoman> I duno, I feel betrayed by HP
Aug 18 22:11:26 <leiru> singmajesty: that step was definetly the death of webOS.
Aug 18 22:11:30 <Meetoman> I'll never buy another HP computer again
Aug 18 22:11:30 <rtyler> off to best buy to return the TP I bought last week, it's been fun while it lasted :(
Aug 18 22:11:35 <Meetoman> I'll only buy their printers from now
Aug 18 22:11:45 <leiru> singmajesty: signed everyone that it isnt riaable
Aug 18 22:12:08 * haeffb looks at date on receipt for TP from Sam's Club...
Aug 18 22:12:25 <Tibfib> hmmm, I wonder if should sell my TP
Aug 18 22:12:36 <Tibfib> BAH, I've waited this long, I'm playing with it.
Aug 18 22:12:37 <Meetoman> I'll get it from you if you feel it's free
Aug 18 22:12:40 <dcousineau> need to find my TP receipt
Aug 18 22:12:47 <dcousineau> no need for 2
Aug 18 22:12:52 <leiru> erm i meant
Aug 18 22:13:03 <haeffb> decision point: send the receipt to HP to get my $50 or send the TP back to Sam's Club?
Aug 18 22:13:08 <leiru> lprofitably {adv} platform
Aug 18 22:13:32 <haeffb> Tibfib: the nice thing is that you can still write whatever apps you want for it.
Aug 18 22:13:43 <haeffb> on the other hand, you have to write whatever apps you want for it.
Aug 18 22:13:44 <Tibfib> haeffb: true
Aug 18 22:13:50 <leiru> haeffb: that nobody will download.
Aug 18 22:13:52 <dcousineau> Tibfib: and srsly you got it on the cheap
Aug 18 22:13:55 <leiru>  :D
Aug 18 22:14:04 <Tibfib> dcousineau: yeah, if I paid more for it, I'd send it  back
Aug 18 22:14:38 <Tibfib> well at least no one gets refunded money for buying apps when the return their touchpad
Aug 18 22:14:43 <Tibfib> Nomnomnom :'(
Aug 18 22:15:03 <nohorse> In response to a direct question about licensing to HTC or Samsung, HP VP Todd Bradley pointed out that to date webOS is designed to work on a single set of silicon � Qualcomm � and that many potential licensees would likely want to see webOS support other chipsets. He did not elaborate further on potential partners
Aug 18 22:15:16 <trsohmers> That's BULLSHIT
Aug 18 22:15:18 <trsohmers> nohorse:
Aug 18 22:15:25 <trsohmers> That's total BS
Aug 18 22:15:41 <trsohmers> Everything before HP bought palm was TI chips
Aug 18 22:16:14 <dgathright> "Designed to work" is the key part of that statement.
Aug 18 22:16:27 <trsohmers> and they are all based off of ARM Cortex A9's… so it should run on OMAP, Freescale, Tegra, anything
Aug 18 22:16:47 <dcousineau> I think tehy're talking radio chipsets
Aug 18 22:16:52 <dcousineau> not cpus
Aug 18 22:16:54 <trsohmers> Heh, then again I had iOS almost working on a Xoom, and it wasn't "designed" to work on that either
Aug 18 22:16:58 <trsohmers> True
Aug 18 22:17:12 <Meetoman> HP screwed us!
Aug 18 22:17:17 <dcousineau> for fucks sake it's linux
Aug 18 22:17:22 <dcousineau> it'll run on anything with minimal porting
Aug 18 22:17:23 <Meetoman> let's march to their campus!
Aug 18 22:17:26 <bnceo> so
Aug 18 22:17:29 <dcousineau> drivers would be the only issue
Aug 18 22:17:32 <dcousineau> and it's a non issue
Aug 18 22:17:36 <nohorse> just wondering how quickly they might be abble o slap webOS on an existing phone from another hardware man
Aug 18 22:17:36 <bnceo> has anyone gotten KBed from this channel becaues of the news?
Aug 18 22:17:40 <Meetoman> first symbian, then webos
Aug 18 22:17:46 <Meetoman> what's next? =(
Aug 18 22:17:55 <PatrickC> bnceo: don't think so yet
Aug 18 22:18:01 <dgathright> I don't think HP screwed us.  where would webOS be if HP hadn't bought it? Dead.  Palm would have been bought, stripped of it's patents, and shut down.
Aug 18 22:18:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dgat
Aug 18 22:18:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> shuddup
Aug 18 22:18:19 <Meetoman> i know
Aug 18 22:18:27 <bnceo> dgathright: I would have it die now than me invest more $$ into something lingering
Aug 18 22:18:31 <Meetoman> now I need to find a new platform to develop on
Aug 18 22:18:32 <bnceo> I mean die then
Aug 18 22:18:41 <trsohmers> Does anyone have a ROM image of the original pre?
Aug 18 22:18:43 <Meetoman> bnceo, agreed!
Aug 18 22:18:59 <trsohmers> I'll look into seeing if I could flash that onto an original Moto Droid...
Aug 18 22:19:02 <bnceo> trsohmers: 1.4.5 is still out
Aug 18 22:19:03 <Meetoman> they pushed Enyo, and everybody starts to develop on Enyo
Aug 18 22:19:05 <trsohmers> Same processor and system on a chip
Aug 18 22:19:23 <trsohmers> bnceo: I've only been in the webOS scene for a week… any links?
Aug 18 22:19:30 <Meetoman> what's gona happen to Chuqui?
Aug 18 22:19:32 <bnceo> webos-internals.org
Aug 18 22:19:42 <bnceo> Meetoman: don't ask about people and their jobs please
Aug 18 22:19:47 <bnceo> it's rude, especially here
Aug 18 22:19:51 <Meetoman> ok =(
Aug 18 22:19:56 <Meetoman> sorry
Aug 18 22:20:05 <Meetoman> if anybody needs a job we are hiring
Aug 18 22:20:15 <bnceo> ppl got real lives. they don't need to think about getting a pink slip
Aug 18 22:20:22 <Tibfib> "we" being ... ?
Aug 18 22:20:34 <Meetoman> the company I am working for
Aug 18 22:20:42 <Tibfib> ..........................
Aug 18 22:20:51 <nohorse> is warming up to the idea of webOS on alternative hardware.
Aug 18 22:21:09 <dgathright> bnceo: You really think webOS's future is worse off now than it was yesterday?  At least now it has a chance to succeed in a way HP clearly couldn't do by themselves.
Aug 18 22:21:15 <bnceo> no
Aug 18 22:21:16 <funkatron> WHY YES I WOULD LOVE TO WORK FOR YOUR MYSTERY COMPANY
Aug 18 22:21:18 <trsohmers> Well I may be able to assist with that… I'm just not too familiar with the backend of webOS
Aug 18 22:21:35 <bnceo> I wish that it would have died last year as opposed to stringing me along without a clear plan
Aug 18 22:21:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Meetoman: what do you do?
Aug 18 22:21:56 <haeffb> something to do with meetings, I guess
Aug 18 22:22:00 <Meetoman> I am a programmer, I develop for iOS, Android, and WebOS
Aug 18 22:22:07 <Meetoman> WP7 and Asp.net
Aug 18 22:22:10 <bnceo> trsohmers: go to #webos-internals if you want to help out on any hacking or development
Aug 18 22:22:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, I have no interest in Android kthnxbye
Aug 18 22:22:51 <Meetoman> are you good with python?
Aug 18 22:22:56 <Meetoman> or objective C?
Aug 18 22:23:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Python
Aug 18 22:23:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> is my thing
Aug 18 22:23:48 <Meetoman> are you based in SF?
Aug 18 22:24:06 <trsohmers> Wow! Job hiring through IRC!
Aug 18 22:24:07 <Meetoman> where are you based?
Aug 18 22:24:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope, Boston, but I'm always open to a summer internship for next year :-P
Aug 18 22:24:12 <trsohmers> I haven't seen this since the late 90s
Aug 18 22:24:19 <trsohmers> Boston/Cambridge FTW
Aug 18 22:24:22 <Meetoman> send me a PM
Aug 18 22:24:40 <Tommy> lol boston
Aug 18 22:24:51 <Bajan> ZDnet has stories out already
Aug 18 22:25:05 <trsohmers> Tommy: You don't like Boston?
Aug 18 22:25:20 <Tommy> i lived in MA for like 14 years, and no.
Aug 18 22:25:37 <Tommy> not the worst city out there, but definitely not my first choice
Aug 18 22:26:02 <Meetoman> I rejected a job offer at Boston before
Aug 18 22:26:02 <Meetoman> lol
Aug 18 22:26:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> trsohmers: you Boston?
Aug 18 22:26:13 <trsohmers> Suburbs and Cambridge
Aug 18 22:26:33 <Tommy> brb rebooting to linux again
Aug 18 22:28:16 <akanster`> A history of webOS - http://moconews.net/article/419-hp-gives-webos-devices-the-boot-a-history-in-links/
Aug 18 22:28:19 <Tommy> k
Aug 18 22:28:58 <Tommy> akanster`: i still can't believe how poorly webOS was handled by palm/HP...
Aug 18 22:29:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> trsohmers: near the Middle East?
Aug 18 22:29:07 <Tommy> so disappointing that such a solid OS is killed in like 2 years :\
Aug 18 22:29:12 <robotx> whats going on with HP and WebOS?
Aug 18 22:29:17 <Tommy> well, it seems like 2, probably closer to 4 lol
Aug 18 22:29:19 <robotx> they stop production?
Aug 18 22:29:22 <Tommy> robotx: they killed it off, yeah
Aug 18 22:29:22 <trsohmers> Middle East? I'm just outside of Worcester
Aug 18 22:29:43 <trsohmers> brb
Aug 18 22:30:50 <docholiday> so that's how HP does marathons :(
Aug 18 22:31:17 <Tommy> "February 2, 2010: Analyst Predicts Bright Future For Palm�s WebOS"
Aug 18 22:31:25 <trsohmers> Back
Aug 18 22:31:25 <Tommy> lol, his credibility went down the toilet
Aug 18 22:31:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> trsohmers: I thought you said "suburbs of Cambridge"
Aug 18 22:31:35 <tomhut> hey all
Aug 18 22:31:39 <Tommy> trsohmers: i was up closer to lowell
Aug 18 22:31:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> which is where the Middle East club is
Aug 18 22:31:48 <Draecos> the biggest problem here is that a box shifter bought a software company and expected to operate in the same way
Aug 18 22:32:00 <Draecos> sorry bought a company for the software
Aug 18 22:32:01 <trsohmers> I work in Cambridge and live near Worcester
Aug 18 22:32:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 18 22:32:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> k
Aug 18 22:33:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I work in Waltham this summer
Aug 18 22:33:27 <Tommy> Draecos: except, the phones weren't selling for shit whether palm or HP was in charge
Aug 18 22:33:43 <Draecos> thats called marketing tommy
Aug 18 22:33:44 * Tommy waits for Google to buy webOS from HP
Aug 18 22:33:54 <Tommy> Draecos: yeah, and they both suck at it
Aug 18 22:33:58 <Draecos> i see adverts for Android and iphone EVERY day
Aug 18 22:34:00 <Draecos> yep
Aug 18 22:34:03 <Tommy> that's also called having 3 devices that are all almost identical
Aug 18 22:34:10 <Draecos> iphone adverts almost every other ad break
Aug 18 22:34:12 <Tommy> none of which impress anyone
Aug 18 22:34:15 <Draecos> palm and hp both fucked it up
Aug 18 22:34:21 <Draecos> yep
Aug 18 22:34:25 <Tommy> Draecos: advertise all you want, you have the pre, pixi and veer, and that's it.
Aug 18 22:34:28 <zylogz80> what's up #amiga?
Aug 18 22:34:29 <Tommy> no variation
Aug 18 22:34:43 <Draecos> not to mention crippling the pixi
Aug 18 22:34:46 <Tommy> and i'm not saying some people don't love them, but they're not my style, not my form factor, so that alone kept me out
Aug 18 22:34:47 <Draecos> zylogz80, :)
Aug 18 22:35:02 <Deihmos> all the pre lines flopped yet they kept making it
Aug 18 22:35:18 <Deihmos> pre, veer, pre 2, pre plus wtf
Aug 18 22:35:29 <Draecos> zylogz80, I had an Amiga twice and felt pissed when Commodore/ESCOM etc fucked up the same way
Aug 18 22:35:33 <Tommy> yeah seriously
Aug 18 22:35:37 <CTLAdvance> So do we know what the deal is
Aug 18 22:35:43 <zylogz80> I almost look forward to being "that guy" who uses a dead OS and keeps the device operating for years past its prime
Aug 18 22:35:45 <Tommy> just try making one phone that's closer to the other ones that sell like hotcakes
Aug 18 22:35:49 <CTLAdvance> I know they are dead, did they say anything on licensing
Aug 18 22:35:53 <Tommy> either a candybar all touchscreen or a landscape sliding qwerty
Aug 18 22:35:58 <funkatron> Oh Draecos, this feels so like Commodore/Amiga.
Aug 18 22:36:01 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: nothing yet.
Aug 18 22:36:01 <funkatron> *sigh*
Aug 18 22:36:06 <Draecos> funkatron, yep
Aug 18 22:36:09 <Deihmos> who is going to want to pay licensing fees for webos
Aug 18 22:36:14 <Draecos> funkatron, but I found linux
Aug 18 22:36:18 <Draecos> so im happy
Aug 18 22:36:24 <Tommy> Deihmos: nobody, because it doesn't sell
Aug 18 22:36:34 <zylogz80> no one is going to license now that there's Googorolla with a patent chest
Aug 18 22:36:40 <Tommy> Deihmos: i'm hoping google (only because android is open source) chooses to buy webOS and OSS/integrate it
Aug 18 22:36:42 <Deihmos> when there is windows phone 7 and android with no licensing fees
Aug 18 22:36:45 <Draecos> actually screw the hw and hp
Aug 18 22:36:54 <Draecos> the biggest thing i'll miss is the community
Aug 18 22:36:57 <Tommy> zylogz80: you act like apple/msft didn't just pick up tons of patents on their own
Aug 18 22:37:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yep
Aug 18 22:37:06 <Tommy> oh my god, now GOOGLE has patents, holy shit now we won't go anywhere with technology
Aug 18 22:37:16 <Tommy> msft/aapl had them, but that's fine.
Aug 18 22:37:17 <Tommy> just not GOOGLE.
Aug 18 22:37:38 <Deihmos> Tommy, I don't see that happening. Webos is a total flop. It has very little value at this point
Aug 18 22:37:45 <fxspec06> this is disaster
Aug 18 22:37:52 <fxspec06> like honestly
Aug 18 22:37:56 <fxspec06> this is total disaster
Aug 18 22:38:04 <fxspec06> this is probably worst thing that could have happened
Aug 18 22:38:16 <fxspec06> HP buys webos, decides not to make phones, or tablets, or computers anymore
Aug 18 22:38:18 <haeffb> fxspec06: yep. Tommy and Deihmos both here at the same time.
Aug 18 22:38:19 <Deihmos> didn't anyone see this coming? I am not surprised at all
Aug 18 22:38:33 <Draecos> Deihmos, tbh me neither
Aug 18 22:38:34 <zylogz80> fxspec06, yes I would say that killing the platform qualifies for "this is probably worst thing that could have happened"
Aug 18 22:38:44 <Draecos> its still salt in the wounds though
Aug 18 22:38:56 <zylogz80> I am surprised that HP has decided to call it quits on being a direct to consumer company. That's a major shift.
Aug 18 22:39:04 <zylogz80> I listened to the earnings call
Aug 18 22:39:12 <Draecos> jealous of IBM ya think?
Aug 18 22:39:31 <zylogz80> HP's strategy is to dump all direct-to-consumer business and become a B2B solutions provider like Red Hat but with their own enterprise hardware stack
Aug 18 22:39:46 <Tommy> Deihmos: i think there's enough in webOS (the patents for the cards multitasking alone) to greatly improve something like android
Aug 18 22:39:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol, good luck
Aug 18 22:40:01 <Tommy> plus, whoever buys webOS can take their chances suing RIM for copying the UI
Aug 18 22:40:13 <Tommy> and i think those are pretty good chances, it's a copy/paste job
Aug 18 22:40:16 * Draecos heads over to #anonymous to sort out some ddos shit
Aug 18 22:40:19 <zylogz80> that is who will buy webOS. A patent troll. And we'll all lose.
Aug 18 22:40:36 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06, got the domain, do you have a place to host it? :)
Aug 18 22:40:41 <Tommy> zylogz80: that's why i want googow to buy it, they're not known for trololollin
Aug 18 22:40:54 <Tommy> if apple buys it, they're the ultimate patent troll
Aug 18 22:40:55 <Tommy> msft ain't much betta
Aug 18 22:41:19 <CTLAdvance> fxspec06 - we will prob see it on printers soon
Aug 18 22:41:38 <CTLAdvance> and they can lag when trying to do wireless printing
Aug 18 22:42:04 <zylogz80> meh. I'm going to use my TouchPad until the Synergy and Palm Profile servers die and it wont boot anymore.
Aug 18 22:42:09 <CTLAdvance> At least we can all say, when this is all said and done, I have apps on a printer os.. and toaster, and fridge
Aug 18 22:42:25 <zylogz80> I might even buy a spare when they are 30$ at Kmart.
Aug 18 22:42:32 <CTLAdvance> icebox, tv, toilet
Aug 18 22:42:35 <Tommy> zylogz80: LMFAO, the fact that that would happen makes me smile
Aug 18 22:42:35 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 18 22:42:39 <CTLAdvance> I would payt that
Aug 18 22:42:55 <Tommy> i would pay like, $150 for a touchpad
Aug 18 22:42:55 <CTLAdvance> mmm... sad
Aug 18 22:43:30 <Deihmos> I can't wait for a windows 8 tablet
Aug 18 22:43:34 <zylogz80> I paid full price on launch day. Waited outside of Best Buy. Me and some angry dude dropping his box off at geek squad.
Aug 18 22:43:44 <Tommy> ew, $398 for a touchpad wtf
Aug 18 22:43:47 <Deihmos> zylogz80, that was smart
Aug 18 22:44:08 <Deihmos> I woul dbuy it if it was 100
Aug 18 22:44:31 <Tommy> zylogz80: i'm not sure why the touchpad didn't sell, i know why the pre/pixi/veer didn't, but the touchpad has good hardware/form factor and runs a good OS
Aug 18 22:44:32 <madnificent> zylogz80: LoL
Aug 18 22:44:54 <madnificent> Tommy: because no one really wants a tablet... but apple can sell anything they build...
Aug 18 22:45:01 <madnificent> Tommy: make that needs a tablet
Aug 18 22:45:21 <zylogz80> I switched from Android for the TouchPad. Android 3.0 is fucking mess.
Aug 18 22:45:26 * gokr1 wonders what will happen to TP prices since I intend to buy one on sunday...
Aug 18 22:45:27 <NuttyBunny> Today I died a little...
Aug 18 22:45:30 <Deihmos> You don't don't jknow why? it's not like the tablet market is that huge
Aug 18 22:45:33 <Tommy> madnificent: umm, android tablets have like a 20% marketshare, which is quite significant considering they came so much later than ipad
Aug 18 22:45:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Fuck this, I'm going to play Mass Effect
Aug 18 22:45:54 <Tommy> zylogz80: yeah, 3.0 was basically a beta build, just like 2.0 was (hence 2.0 only being on one phone)
Aug 18 22:46:03 <Tommy> zylogz80: that's why 3.1 came out so quick, and 3.2 is out now i believe
Aug 18 22:46:05 <tomhut> Maybe they can licence it cheeply to htc to make a wide range of good quality and cheeper hardware options
Aug 18 22:46:11 <Deihmos> I wouldn't buy a tablet. I don't see what purpose it would serve
Aug 18 22:46:11 <leiru> madnificent: :(
Aug 18 22:46:17 <tomhut> can't see samsung getting invalid, busy with android, bada and wp7
Aug 18 22:46:21 <tomhut> *involved
Aug 18 22:46:27 <leiru> madnificent: it was a great time to work with you. :)
Aug 18 22:46:30 <Tommy> the acer iconia is $398 with a $100 gift card from walmart
Aug 18 22:46:33 <Tommy> considering it >.<
Aug 18 22:46:56 <leiru> madnificent: sorry, i see this situation some kind of pessimistic.
Aug 18 22:47:07 <Tommy> Deihmos: i get tired of doing everything on the go on a 4" screen >.<
Aug 18 22:48:02 <CTLAdvance> the 10.1 is slick
Aug 18 22:48:02 <trsohmers> Where is the Iconia with $100 gift card?
Aug 18 22:48:05 <madnificent> hey leiru
Aug 18 22:48:08 <CTLAdvance> though not as good of a deal
Aug 18 22:48:09 <trsohmers> all I see is $50 gift card
Aug 18 22:48:09 <Tommy> trsohmers: walmart
Aug 18 22:48:11 <Deihmos> the most i do is surf the net and email. I wouldn't want to use such a large device on the go. If I need somethign larger I will take my HP netbook
Aug 18 22:48:14 <trsohmers> Link?
Aug 18 22:48:19 <Tommy> k
Aug 18 22:48:23 <madnificent> leiru: all is not lost yet!  we don't know what's coming
Aug 18 22:48:46 <Hendikins> Ultimately the TouchPad will continue to do what I bought it for. A lot of what I do with it is X11 based.
Aug 18 22:48:48 <madnificent> I'm not jumping ship at the moment.  It's merely time to stare hyperactively.
Aug 18 22:48:50 <Tommy> trsohmers: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Silver-Black-16GB-Touchscreen-10.1-Iconia-Entertainment-Tablet-PC-with-Google-Android-3.0-Honeycomb-OS-3-Bonus-Games/17048394
Aug 18 22:49:00 <Tommy> "& Bonus $100 eGift Card"
Aug 18 22:49:06 <leiru> madnificent: it was dead before that announcement.
Aug 18 22:49:13 <leiru> just look at my sales
Aug 18 22:49:24 <leiru> and look the ones of my iOS friends
Aug 18 22:49:25 <madnificent> yeah the sales are impressive, just not in a good way
Aug 18 22:49:33 <Tommy> lol
Aug 18 22:49:35 <trsohmers> Pretty good deal...
Aug 18 22:49:37 <madnificent> leiru: but look at my android friends!
Aug 18 22:49:49 <madnificent> it seems to be Android < WebOS << iOS
Aug 18 22:49:59 <Tommy> leiru: i was just saying not too long ago that new apps aren't going to come to webos and i'm glad i didn't grab a webos device, and someone in here disagreed and said they'd get software support >.>
Aug 18 22:50:06 <Tommy> madnificent: what, for sales?
Aug 18 22:50:06 <EdLin> WebOS was in a lot of ways better than iOS.
Aug 18 22:50:16 <Tommy> EdLin: i don't think he's talking OS quality
Aug 18 22:50:20 <trsohmers> In Sales: webOS << Android < iOS
Aug 18 22:50:30 <madnificent> trsohmers: not as far as I can see
Aug 18 22:50:41 <EdLin> Tommy well, in hardware, everything was better than Palm's fischer-price implementation.
Aug 18 22:50:42 <trsohmers> Madnificent, have you looked at tablet share numbers?
Aug 18 22:50:47 <Tommy> trsohmers: i think he meant developer sales
Aug 18 22:50:53 <Tommy> EdLin: fisher-price, and i know
Aug 18 22:51:04 <epyon22_pre-> so I just heard about hp I feel like somone died lol
Aug 18 22:51:23 <Tommy> trsohmers: android holds a 20% market share in tablets and much more than that in phones
Aug 18 22:51:32 <trsohmers> About that
Aug 18 22:51:32 <EdLin> epyon22_pre- yeah, I decided, after having gotten rid of my Pre, to drop by for old-time's sake for the funeral.
Aug 18 22:51:35 <Tommy> phones they're at what, 43%?
Aug 18 22:51:47 <trsohmers> Android has about 43 percent in phones, iOS has like 20, and blackberry as 18
Aug 18 22:51:56 <trsohmers> has*
Aug 18 22:51:57 <Tommy> trsohmers: yeah
Aug 18 22:52:11 <madnificent> Tommy, trsohmers: yes indeed
Aug 18 22:52:13 <Tommy> so apple has 4x the tablet sales, but android has more than 2x the smartphone sales, and let's face it, there are many more smartphones than tablets
Aug 18 22:52:17 <madnificent> developer sales, app sales that is
Aug 18 22:52:24 <Boopop> I wonder, did HP not think to "Crunch the numbers" before they bought Palm?
Aug 18 22:52:28 <Tommy> madnificent: yeah, that's what i thought you meant
Aug 18 22:52:31 <Boopop> Or at the very least, immediately after...
Aug 18 22:52:31 <leiru> lol
Aug 18 22:52:40 <leiru> i just received my black belt coupon
Aug 18 22:52:45 <leiru> brawhaha
Aug 18 22:52:46 <Tommy> Boopop: they thought "oh hey, we can get great success by doing the same thing palm is doing"
Aug 18 22:52:48 <trsohmers> Boopop: They did, and at that point, it was reasonable to think they would be #2 in tablets
Aug 18 22:52:49 <epyon22_pre-> I'm gonna be picking up a nexus s soon because of this news. might try and get a cheap tablet too
Aug 18 22:52:58 <Tommy> trsohmers: no it wasn't
Aug 18 22:52:58 <trsohmers> #2 and tablets and #3 in smartphones
Aug 18 22:52:59 <pigsflew> :/
Aug 18 22:53:00 <Deihmos> remember when andorid was in the same boat as webos
Aug 18 22:53:13 <Tommy> a year ago the motorola xoom was already out, why would you think you could outsell it when you hadn't ever sold shit
Aug 18 22:53:16 <Boopop> It seems ridiculous to me that only now have they changed their mind and decided it's not possible
Aug 18 22:53:20 <Tommy> Deihmos: it never was, ever... the G1, the first android phone, sold very well
Aug 18 22:53:23 <trsohmers> Tommy, the Motorola Xoom came out Feburary 24th
Aug 18 22:53:24 <trsohmers> of this year
Aug 18 22:53:31 <trsohmers> Get your facts straight
Aug 18 22:53:37 <Tommy> trsohmers: damn, feels like longer
Aug 18 22:53:39 * Tommy scratches head
Aug 18 22:53:50 <Boopop> Oh well
Aug 18 22:53:55 <trsohmers> The Samsung Galaxy tab 7 inch with Android 2.2 came out in October/November of 2010
Aug 18 22:53:57 <Tommy> it's crazy how fast everything moves with android
Aug 18 22:53:57 <Boopop> at least my HP Microserver won't screw me over
Aug 18 22:53:59 <trsohmers> and it had HORRIBLE sales
Aug 18 22:54:20 <Tommy> trsohmers: that's because google told all mfr's not to bother making tablets until 3.x
Aug 18 22:54:21 <Tommy> and sammy didn't listen
Aug 18 22:54:28 <trsohmers> Yep
Aug 18 22:54:49 <Spanska> Tibfib_: do you have some time?
Aug 18 22:55:05 <trsohmers> I just hope Blackberry and RIM dies out within two years
Aug 18 22:55:17 <pigsflew> no
Aug 18 22:55:27 <pigsflew> don't wish that
Aug 18 22:55:35 <Tommy> trsohmers: i'm also considering the vizio 8" honeycomb tablet for $298 from walmart
Aug 18 22:55:53 <Tommy> they hyped it up big with a superbowl commercial and everything, yet i didnt even hear it was released
Aug 18 22:56:04 <Mousey> android, do not want
Aug 18 22:56:07 <Mousey> =(
Aug 18 22:56:18 <Hendikins> trsohmers: Competition is a good thing.
Aug 18 22:56:19 <Tommy> Mousey: so stick with webOS, you're one of very few who does want it :\
Aug 18 22:56:23 <pigsflew> if webos does go, they're the only company to have *tried* to learn anything from palm
Aug 18 22:56:25 <fxspec06> this is so bad
Aug 18 22:56:33 <fxspec06> pre 3 is not going to states guys
Aug 18 22:56:35 <fxspec06> uk only
Aug 18 22:56:35 <Hendikins> I don't have to like the competition, but we're worse off without them.
Aug 18 22:56:42 <Tommy> Hendikins: RIM doesn't provide competition, they only provide BBM and that's the only reason people buy their shit
Aug 18 22:56:54 <Tommy> they haven't had any major improvements in a long while
Aug 18 22:56:58 <Hendikins> Tommy: It is still competition per se.
Aug 18 22:57:00 <fxspec06> 64gb touchpad? UK only
Aug 18 22:57:12 <Hendikins> fxspec06: AU was supposed to get that.
Aug 18 22:57:19 <fxspec06> oh whoop there u go
Aug 18 22:57:25 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: I got the domain, do you have a place to host it?
Aug 18 22:57:29 <Tommy> Hendikins: yeah but look at where their sales are going, they're driving themselves out of the market
Aug 18 22:57:49 <fxspec06> i can probably build a server with spare pre parts
Aug 18 22:57:56 <fxspec06> and extra touchpads
Aug 18 22:57:56 <trsohmers> Competition in number of handsets is good, but I think having 3 OSs is good
Aug 18 22:57:57 <tomhut> Any guesses on when touchpad prices will fall?
Aug 18 22:58:08 <trsohmers> It was really a fight between Windows Phone 7 and webOS
Aug 18 22:58:11 <fxspec06> i just found a stockpile of touchpads in the walmart wastebin
Aug 18 22:58:13 <trsohmers> and then a fight between Android and iOS
Aug 18 22:58:17 <NuttyBunny> Greetings and Welcome to GKG! Thank you for choosing to register webosisdead.com with GKG.
Aug 18 22:58:32 <fxspec06> hmm
Aug 18 22:58:34 <fxspec06> lemme see
Aug 18 22:58:34 <Tommy> fxspec06: wanna sell me a touchpad for cheap?
Aug 18 22:58:36 <trsohmers> NuttyBunny, I can host it
Aug 18 22:58:37 <fxspec06> i can talk to some ppl
Aug 18 22:58:42 <Tommy> tomhut: tomorrow lol
Aug 18 22:58:46 <fxspec06> i know someone who would host it.
Aug 18 22:58:52 <pigsflew> if they can get QNX together and on a phone, and webOS really dies, that's the only place that might not be a ludicrous downgrade
Aug 18 22:58:56 <fxspec06> let me get back to you
Aug 18 22:58:57 <tomhut> Tommy: Haha good point, will pick one up
Aug 18 22:58:57 <trsohmers> NuttyBunny: You want me to host it?
Aug 18 22:59:24 <NuttyBunny> trsohmers: sure, we only need a page saying: "webOS IS NOT DEAD!" ;)
Aug 18 22:59:25 <Mousey> maybe HP will GPL WebOS, and then we can use it to update openmoko! ^_6
Aug 18 22:59:30 <Mousey> augh, my eye!
Aug 18 22:59:31 <trsohmers> lol
Aug 18 22:59:46 <epyon22_pre-> haha that would be funny
Aug 18 22:59:48 <tomhut> Going to continue development on webOS myself, try fill some of the holes that will be left
Aug 18 22:59:53 <leiru> haha
Aug 18 23:00:36 <leiru> https://twitter.com/#!/robinson_k/status/104324563252420608
Aug 18 23:00:51 <trsohmers> NuttyBunny: Did you seriously buy that?
Aug 18 23:01:27 <NuttyBunny> trsohmers, call me a fanboy, enough trash for webOS for today
Aug 18 23:01:44 <trsohmers> Is that a yes or a no?
Aug 18 23:01:45 <trsohmers> lol
Aug 18 23:01:53 <zylogz80> Uncouth to speak ill of the dead?
Aug 18 23:02:07 <NuttyBunny> It's a yes, I'll sell it to the Android fanboys here :D
Aug 18 23:02:14 <pigsflew> oh for those heady days of 2009
Aug 18 23:02:19 <madnificent> Mousey: that would be a dream come true.  if i'd have my way, that would be it.  oh, and google would endorse it stating something like, "meh, Oracle no be cool"
Aug 18 23:03:03 <Mousey> seems like it'll never happen. HP bought Palm for the patents, clearly they don't have big (good?) plans for any of the actual IP
Aug 18 23:03:42 <Tommy> NuttyBunny: sell what?
Aug 18 23:03:54 <NuttyBunny> webosisdead.com of course
Aug 18 23:04:35 <Tommy> lol
Aug 18 23:05:13 <pigsflew> so. I'm going to start #mourning-webos now, there will be no talking, only silent weeping.
Aug 18 23:05:25 <madnificent> we should make an open source alternative of webos, based on webkit and the likes and running on rooted android phones
Aug 18 23:06:03 <madnificent> all we really need is a posix compatible environment with drivers
Aug 18 23:07:08 <trsohmers> Well, last day I can return the touchpad is tomorrow
Aug 18 23:07:13 <ryaxnb> hey.
Aug 18 23:07:22 <ryaxnb> we have 150 users
Aug 18 23:07:32 <ryaxnb> no one leave the channel, bask in the glow
Aug 18 23:07:36 <pigsflew> mad, we could stuff an android app wrapper for enyo and mojo apps
Aug 18 23:07:42 <twbbas> TIMN has a podcast up
Aug 18 23:07:45 <esser> i think about a third are just watching the spectacle
Aug 18 23:07:47 <twbbas> talking about the week
Aug 18 23:08:02 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/104327934294245376
Aug 18 23:08:12 <ryaxnb> i want an android app wrapper
Aug 18 23:08:16 <trsohmers> pigsflew and madnificent how would you suggest doing that?
Aug 18 23:08:21 <ryaxnb> because that would make a lot of webos users switch to android
Aug 18 23:08:34 <ryaxnb> trsohmers, figure out how HP coded the runtime
Aug 18 23:08:46 <ryaxnb> code a reverse engineered version as an android app
Aug 18 23:08:53 <zylogz80> all you need is enyo and a webkit browser
Aug 18 23:08:56 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: really? and I just got wildn' :P
Aug 18 23:09:06 <zylogz80> I could have enyo apps running on android in a week
Aug 18 23:09:10 <trsohmers> Well… I guess this is goodbye, Touchpad
Aug 18 23:09:13 <trsohmers> it has been a fun 2 weeks
Aug 18 23:09:18 <zylogz80> but it is a complete violation of the license
Aug 18 23:09:25 <zylogz80> and would be litigation city
Aug 18 23:09:25 <trsohmers> but… I'm sorry, we just can't go on together
Aug 18 23:09:25 <ryaxnb> you should definitely make a reverse engineered version...
Aug 18 23:09:27 <pigsflew> enyo might be easy, just put the enyo js in and run in a webview like phonegap
Aug 18 23:09:41 <ryaxnb> 150 USERS!
Aug 18 23:09:52 <ryaxnb> that's unusually high
Aug 18 23:09:58 <fxspec06> NuttyBunny: I will continue wildn support and updates.
Aug 18 23:10:02 <fxspec06> but no more new apps
Aug 18 23:10:40 <zylogz80> if there was anyone decent in HP's upper management they'd just GPL enyo at very fucking least. I've never had so much fun writing code. I am going to miss this platfor,m.
Aug 18 23:11:10 <pigsflew> numbers guys
Aug 18 23:11:17 <zylogz80> I'm going to release my app for free and earlier than I'd expected. I was going to charge but fuck it. we've all had a rough time,
Aug 18 23:11:22 * pigsflew shakes fist
Aug 18 23:11:24 <Deihmos> I have not heard or seen anything from ruby
Aug 18 23:11:25 <zylogz80> https://github.com/zylogz80/Red-It/tree/1.0
Aug 18 23:11:29 <Spanska> oh my god.. can't believe the news
Aug 18 23:11:29 <zylogz80> for anyone who wants it
Aug 18 23:11:56 <fxspec06> this is so sad
Aug 18 23:12:02 <fxspec06> so sad
Aug 18 23:12:03 <zylogz80> I'll submit it to the app catalog tonight
Aug 18 23:12:59 <ryaxnb> ah :( we lost  a bunch of users
Aug 18 23:13:07 <akanster> zylogz80: I was looking forward to your reddit client too :(
Aug 18 23:13:14 <madnificent> trsohmers: because I want to have a smartphone that helps me in my daily tasks, and I didn't find android to be sufficient
Aug 18 23:13:19 <akanster> zylogz80: Any plans to continue development?
Aug 18 23:13:34 <madnificent> trsohmers: I don't know what the life-expectancy of my pre2 is
Aug 18 23:13:35 <dawm|laptop> why is there more BAD webOS news than GOOD
Aug 18 23:13:41 <ryaxnb> madnificent, wait what you responding to
Aug 18 23:13:47 <trsohmers> madnificent: Wasn't asking why… I was asking how
Aug 18 23:13:55 <zylogz80> akanster, yeah but not at the pace I was initially planning on
Aug 18 23:13:55 <pigsflew> i wanted to make a tp svn browser
Aug 18 23:14:08 <madnificent> ryaxnb: to making an open source alternative for webos
Aug 18 23:14:14 <zylogz80> akanster, I'd planned to charge but to put a lot of work into major updates
Aug 18 23:14:20 <ryaxnb> madnificent, can't you use Android
Aug 18 23:14:24 <zylogz80> akanster, now I'll just put a little into it here and there
Aug 18 23:14:30 <akanster> :(
Aug 18 23:14:31 <ryaxnb> and hope for the best from WebOS licensing
Aug 18 23:14:51 <madnificent> trsohmers: you can use the custom kernels that were built for android.  you can run a posix environment on top of that (with bash and the likes if you want) and you can use the drivers that were made for those devices
Aug 18 23:15:00 <madnificent> ryaxnb: you can use their kernel
Aug 18 23:15:01 <twbbas> Quote from TIMN Live Podcast right now "HP just rage quit with webOS"
Aug 18 23:15:05 <Tommy> ryaxnb: he doesnt like android
Aug 18 23:15:07 <akanster> zylogz80: lmao "Red It: A Reddit browser for a dead OS"
Aug 18 23:15:18 <ryaxnb> Tommy, then he needs to be convinced ;)
Aug 18 23:15:23 <ryaxnb> wait, live podcast?
Aug 18 23:15:24 <Tommy> LOL
Aug 18 23:15:26 <ryaxnb> gimme gimme
Aug 18 23:15:26 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 18 23:15:32 <ryaxnb> linky?>
Aug 18 23:15:35 <Tommy> nah man, let him enjoy his flailing OS while he can
Aug 18 23:15:39 <twbbas> www.thisismynext.com
Aug 18 23:15:42 <twbbas> look at the live podcast
Aug 18 23:15:46 <Tibfib_> twbbas: ther enow
Aug 18 23:15:56 <twbbas> Tibfib_: "HP just rage quit"
Aug 18 23:15:59 <twbbas> I loved that
Aug 18 23:15:59 <twbbas> lol
Aug 18 23:16:07 <Tibfib_> lol
Aug 18 23:16:39 <Deihmos> so all those people that bought a touchpad just got screwed. eventhough it wasn't that many
Aug 18 23:16:52 <akanster> wow, Palm guys are reporting the recruiter emails are coming in hard
Aug 18 23:17:13 <Deihmos> well half of them will get the axe soon
Aug 18 23:17:20 <Deihmos> there is money in recruiting
Aug 18 23:17:41 <Deihmos> they shoudl fire rubenstein
Aug 18 23:17:43 <leiru> best time to leave the iceberg
Aug 18 23:17:45 <Deihmos> he was a joke
Aug 18 23:17:56 <akanster> Rememeber, remember, the eighteenth of August
Aug 18 23:18:07 <Deihmos> he was facinated with tiny phones that no one wants
Aug 18 23:18:14 <nohorse>  TIMN Live Podcast right now "HP just rage quit with webOS"
Aug 18 23:18:17 <nohorse> links
Aug 18 23:19:10 <Tommy> who here actually thinks any manufacturer would want to license webOS, and why
Aug 18 23:19:14 <pigsflew> oh thank god there's beer
Aug 18 23:19:27 <robotx> facebook will license webos
Aug 18 23:19:32 <dawm|laptop> well motorola wont be
Aug 18 23:19:34 <Tommy> lol
Aug 18 23:19:42 <Tommy> dawm|laptop: why would ANY manufacturer?
Aug 18 23:19:47 <dawm|laptop> why not
Aug 18 23:19:50 <Tommy> android sells like hotcakes, it's open source and it's free.
Aug 18 23:20:02 <Tommy> webOS has never sold decently, ever, and you'd need to pay for production
Aug 18 23:20:04 <pigsflew> tommy because hope stands always a beacon against incredible adversity
Aug 18 23:20:08 <Tommy> high risk, low reward
Aug 18 23:20:23 <Tommy> pigsflew: manufacturers don't give a fuck about your little cinderella story, they care about their bottom line
Aug 18 23:20:33 <Jordan8> Something I see more likely Tommy is Google buying it for the patents, than putting some of the features of webos into android.
Aug 18 23:20:36 <ryaxnb> webos has veered off a cliff
Aug 18 23:20:37 <Tommy> and their bottom line is better off selling android phones than it is taking the risk on webOS
Aug 18 23:20:39 <pigsflew> wow
Aug 18 23:20:42 <pigsflew> mean
Aug 18 23:20:43 <ryaxnb> ;)
Aug 18 23:20:48 <Tommy> Jordan8: i already talked about that, said i want it to happen
Aug 18 23:20:55 <pigsflew> I was joking man
Aug 18 23:20:56 <Tommy> i hope they OSS webOS then integrate some parts
Aug 18 23:21:05 <dawm|laptop> soo sad
Aug 18 23:21:05 <ryaxnb> that's my new slogan WebOS has Veered off a cliff.
Aug 18 23:21:08 <Tommy> it'd be nice to be able to still use webOS if you want to
Aug 18 23:21:14 <dawm|laptop> the best mobile OS that never had a chance
Aug 18 23:21:25 <Jordan8> Oh, I missed that conversation :p. But yeah, it'd be nice if that happened(coming from an android user).
Aug 18 23:21:32 <ryaxnb> Tommy, i think what'll happen is they will license it, it will bomb again, and then something bad will happen
Aug 18 23:21:42 <pigsflew> tommy why you got to kick me when i'm down?
Aug 18 23:22:09 <Tommy> pigsflew: just being realistic, man
Aug 18 23:22:23 <Tommy> dawm|laptop: i'd have to agree with that sentiment
Aug 18 23:22:35 <Tommy> i've never seen a product that was so smooth, polished and powerful fail so miserably
Aug 18 23:22:55 <ryaxnb> i think someone will license webos
Aug 18 23:23:01 <ryaxnb> but i think itll bomb again
Aug 18 23:23:01 <Tommy> why
Aug 18 23:23:13 <ryaxnb> Tommy, because there are like 20 phone manufactuures
Aug 18 23:23:15 <Tommy> what's the motivation for a manufacturer to license an OS that has proven it just doesn't sell
Aug 18 23:23:16 <ryaxnb> all bets on LG
Aug 18 23:23:22 <dawm|laptop> wait
Aug 18 23:23:23 <ryaxnb> LG phones dont sell either.
Aug 18 23:23:26 <dawm|laptop> what about kyocera
Aug 18 23:23:27 <Tommy> ryaxnb: there could be 500, android sells better than webOS, case closed.
Aug 18 23:23:29 <Jordan8> LG seems most likely.
Aug 18 23:23:39 <Tommy> lol the G2X sold, but had horrible issues
Aug 18 23:23:39 <ryaxnb> but takeing a risk is something a poor company does
Aug 18 23:23:41 <dawm|laptop> or that other one
Aug 18 23:23:42 <ryaxnb> a failing company
Aug 18 23:23:47 <dawm|laptop> hanwanuwe
Aug 18 23:23:59 <Tommy> huawei
Aug 18 23:24:33 <Tommy> ryaxnb: yeah, but if you're a failing company (i.e. motorola 2 years ago) you're going to hedge your bets on an OS you know can pull you out of that hole
Aug 18 23:24:39 <ryaxnb> i dont think
Aug 18 23:24:47 <ryaxnb> i think youll try any strategy that will work
Aug 18 23:24:47 <leiru> why i am reading a chat where i have to think about where the future of my OS where ever will be? or not?
Aug 18 23:24:57 <ryaxnb> including risky ones (webOS)
Aug 18 23:24:59 <Tommy> ryaxnb: and since when has the webOS strategy worked?
Aug 18 23:25:02 <leiru> why i am not sitting in an ios chat talking on my 10.000 revenue.
Aug 18 23:25:05 <ryaxnb> it MAY work
Aug 18 23:25:06 <Tommy> "any strategy that will work", webOS never has, Android always has.
Aug 18 23:25:10 <leiru> damn, i do smth. wrong.
Aug 18 23:25:11 <Tommy> track records.
Aug 18 23:25:14 <ryaxnb> android has not plenty of times
Aug 18 23:25:18 <ryaxnb> look at LG or Moto
Aug 18 23:25:25 <Tommy> ryaxnb: moto?
Aug 18 23:25:27 <dawm|laptop> yeah driod has shitty devices
Aug 18 23:25:32 <Tommy> android SAVED motorola from bankrupcy with the droid
Aug 18 23:25:37 <dawm|laptop> there arent 5 billion good ones
Aug 18 23:25:39 <akanster> dawm|laptop: yeah but they sell
Aug 18 23:25:42 <ryaxnb> and then moto started losing money again
Aug 18 23:25:46 <Tommy> and LG has released one smartphone in the US, i wouldn't call it a failure yet
Aug 18 23:25:52 <ryaxnb> after the Droid and Droid X honeymoon
Aug 18 23:25:52 <dawm|laptop> cause their free or pushed on consumers with no knowledge
Aug 18 23:26:02 <ryaxnb> Tommy, dude theyve released like 10 in the USA (LG)
Aug 18 23:26:06 <Tommy> dawm|laptop: lol the droid wasn't free
Aug 18 23:26:08 <ryaxnb> at least.
Aug 18 23:26:08 <Tommy> ryaxnb: with android?
Aug 18 23:26:08 <dawm|laptop> half the iphone users have one just because its an iphone not because its any good
Aug 18 23:26:10 <akanster> dawm|laptop: does it matter?  Why couldnt HP do the same
Aug 18 23:26:12 <ryaxnb> yes
Aug 18 23:26:14 <Tommy> they have the G2X, what else
Aug 18 23:26:22 <ryaxnb> a bunch of varieties of Optimus One
Aug 18 23:26:32 <ryaxnb> one with Windows Phone 7
Aug 18 23:26:34 <Tommy> oh right, that's a mid range phone and it sold very well.
Aug 18 23:26:40 <Tommy> yeah i meant android
Aug 18 23:26:42 <trsohmers> LG has the Revolution on Verizon
Aug 18 23:26:50 <ryaxnb> yeah, that.
Aug 18 23:26:56 <trsohmers> so the G2X and Revolution in the US
Aug 18 23:26:56 <Tommy> how long's the revolution been out?
Aug 18 23:26:58 <trsohmers> oh
Aug 18 23:27:06 <trsohmers> Revolution has been out since May 26th
Aug 18 23:27:07 <trsohmers> I believe
Aug 18 23:27:27 <Tommy> i'd have to look up sales figures to say whether or not it's been a success, i honestly don't know
Aug 18 23:27:30 <trsohmers> I'm pretty sure it was the 26th… or maybe that was just the scheduled release date… I forget
Aug 18 23:27:30 <Tommy> i've been gone from the US since early june
Aug 18 23:28:00 <Jordan8> Revolution didn't sell to good Tommy, the alternatives(charge, thunderbolt) were just better spec wise & released pretty much the same time.
Aug 18 23:28:22 <ryaxnb> LG Enlighten
Aug 18 23:28:33 <Tibfib> well I think I'll finish up this nomnomnom update
Aug 18 23:28:34 <ryaxnb> not out yet
Aug 18 23:28:36 <Tibfib> and then I'm done
Aug 18 23:28:42 <twbbas> Tibfib: I got the latest beta installed
Aug 18 23:28:42 <dawm|laptop> do we all get free pre3s now/
Aug 18 23:28:53 <twbbas> Tibfib: I suggest you highlight the list item on tap
Aug 18 23:28:54 <Tommy> dawm|laptop: you get NOFINK
Aug 18 23:28:55 <Tibfib> twbbas: looking good?
Aug 18 23:28:59 <Tibfib> twbbas: dangit good point
Aug 18 23:29:01 <ryaxnb> there's also the Optimus Net andOptimus Pro
Aug 18 23:29:05 <Tibfib> SCREW GOOD POINTS
Aug 18 23:29:08 <halfhalo-work> lola
Aug 18 23:29:13 <halfhalo-work> lol*
Aug 18 23:29:24 <ryaxnb> and the Optimus Pad
Aug 18 23:29:24 <Tommy> optimus 3D, but it hasn't released in the US, god knows why
Aug 18 23:29:28 <Tommy> they gave them out at I/O ages ago
Aug 18 23:29:28 <twbbas> Tibfib: Also why make the pane sliding if it really isn't?
Aug 18 23:29:33 <ryaxnb> yes it has under ATT
Aug 18 23:29:39 <Tibfib> it can slide to the left <---
Aug 18 23:29:41 <twbbas> Tibfib: oh nvm. It goes fullscreen
Aug 18 23:29:44 <ryaxnb> that's it it's called the thrill 4g
Aug 18 23:29:44 <twbbas> yep
Aug 18 23:29:46 <Tommy> ryaxnb: the optimus 3D? um, no.
Aug 18 23:29:51 <ryaxnb> called the thrill 4g
Aug 18 23:29:56 <Tommy> wtf
Aug 18 23:30:17 <Tommy> oh jesus
Aug 18 23:30:26 <twbbas> Tibfib: What about having a different background color for each type of feed in the list?
Aug 18 23:30:30 <twbbas> Like my original idea
Aug 18 23:30:31 <Tommy> when did that release?
Aug 18 23:30:32 <trsohmers> oh LG had the G Slate
Aug 18 23:30:37 <ryaxnb> it'll be out tommorow or something
Aug 18 23:30:49 <trsohmers> But it sold horribly
Aug 18 23:30:50 <Tommy> ......lol
Aug 18 23:30:50 <twbbas> Tibfib: Also, it's not a fading list at the top
Aug 18 23:30:51 <ryaxnb> oh, nvm not out yet
Aug 18 23:30:52 <Tibfib> twbbas: not now
Aug 18 23:30:54 <ryaxnb> sep 4
Aug 18 23:30:54 <twbbas> k
Aug 18 23:30:55 <Tommy> so as i said, it hasn't been released in the US yet
Aug 18 23:30:58 <Tibfib> twbbas: it's really hard with a virtual list
Aug 18 23:30:59 <Tommy> fuckin guy
Aug 18 23:31:00 <ryaxnb> no for some reason
Aug 18 23:31:03 <twbbas> Tibfib: ah
Aug 18 23:31:06 <Tommy> isn't that exactly what i said?
Aug 18 23:31:09 <ryaxnb> it was planned to be
Aug 18 23:31:16 <Tommy> like, word for word, "for some reason it hasn't been released yet, it was given out at I/O ages ago"
Aug 18 23:31:21 <ryaxnb> i remember an early august release date, but they delayed it again and again
Aug 18 23:31:22 <Tommy> and now you're like OH YA, FOR SOME REASON IT HASN'T
Aug 18 23:31:24 <Tommy> ...no shit.
Aug 18 23:31:32 <ryaxnb> yeah, i feel kinda stupid :(
Aug 18 23:31:40 * Tommy canes ryaxnb 
Aug 18 23:31:49 * ryaxnb whacks Tommy with a Tibfib
Aug 18 23:31:55 <Tibfib> ?
Aug 18 23:32:06 <Tommy> lol
Aug 18 23:32:10 * Tommy slaps ryaxnb around a bit with a large trout
Aug 18 23:32:15 <ryaxnb> lol
Aug 18 23:32:27 <akanster> app sales over the next couple of weeks should be interesting
Aug 18 23:32:31 <twbbas> Tibfib: What about adding a thumbnail of the article picture on the very left side of the list item?
Aug 18 23:32:33 <leiru> just received an email from my graphical designer that it would be a nice idea to buy a mac ^^
Aug 18 23:32:35 <oil> oh great, tommy is back...
Aug 18 23:32:39 <Tibfib> twbbas: too much work
Aug 18 23:32:40 <Tommy> oil: i never left.
Aug 18 23:32:42 <twbbas> heh
Aug 18 23:32:50 <twbbas> it'd look good :)
Aug 18 23:32:50 <Tibfib> I don't think it's worth it
Aug 18 23:32:53 <leiru> oil, i'll blame you for that
Aug 18 23:32:57 <Tommy> oil: but if you really want to start something, i did mention marketshare, and you said something about it turning around
Aug 18 23:32:57 <Tibfib> I just want to finish one more feature
Aug 18 23:33:01 <twbbas> ya
Aug 18 23:33:01 <Tibfib> then I'm done with nomnomnom
Aug 18 23:33:03 <Tommy> how's that workin out
Aug 18 23:33:04 <twbbas> :\
Aug 18 23:33:10 <ryaxnb> optimus net is the other phone btw
Aug 18 23:33:13 <Tibfib> rwhitby: ping
Aug 18 23:33:23 <halfhalo-work> no more nomnomnom updates? :(
Aug 18 23:33:24 <oil> why would i want to start something
Aug 18 23:33:25 <rwhitby> Tibfib: hi
Aug 18 23:33:34 <Tommy> i wonder if the prices of phones can go below free
Aug 18 23:33:39 <Tibfib> rwhitby: can you op up and kick some trolls?
Aug 18 23:33:41 <Tommy> i wonder if AT&T would pay me to take a palm pre plus
Aug 18 23:33:43 <Tommy> off contract
Aug 18 23:33:59 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: webOS is kind of dead.
Aug 18 23:34:03 <ryaxnb> otimus one, optimus 2x, optimus net, and some optimus pro
Aug 18 23:34:38 <ryaxnb> oh and the lg genesis which is on us cellular
Aug 18 23:34:48 <ryaxnb> its a optimus one with a keyboard from what i can tell
Aug 18 23:34:54 <ryaxnb> does that count?
Aug 18 23:35:02 <gokr1> Kinda interesting (and disheartening if he is correct): http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hps-webos-conundrum-sell-the-ip-or-try-licensing/55450
Aug 18 23:35:12 <robotx> "The condemned live longer."
Aug 18 23:35:25 * Tibfib will go wp7, and buy a iPod Touch
Aug 18 23:35:28 <rwhitby> Tibfib: best thing is to just take a 24h break from the channel. Trolls don't have a long attention span.
Aug 18 23:35:43 <Tibfib> rwhitby: kicking does well in the meantime.
Aug 18 23:35:47 <Tommy> ryaxnb: most of their optimus phones are called something different but they're the same
Aug 18 23:35:57 <Tommy> ryaxnb: optimus T, optimus V for t-mobile/virgin... same phone
Aug 18 23:36:04 <ryaxnb> Tommy, im aware of that, i was only listing ones with differnces
Aug 18 23:36:10 <Tibfib> WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FAIR AND JUST CHANNEL OP. POOOP.
Aug 18 23:36:42 <leiru> rwhitby: i hope that in even in more than 24hrs, maybe 3 days everything gets better.
Aug 18 23:36:49 <Tommy> Tibfib: i've come here to figure out what most people think HP will do with webOS
Aug 18 23:36:50 <leiru> let's see.
Aug 18 23:36:57 <Tommy> because i'd lovelovelove to see it open sauced or sold off to google
Aug 18 23:37:02 <Tommy> (then open sauced afterwards)
Aug 18 23:37:07 <leiru> but the impact i really great
Aug 18 23:37:17 <ryaxnb> The Optimus One, Optimus Letter series, Thrive, Phoenix, vortex, are the same
Aug 18 23:37:22 <Tommy> hell, google could buy webOS then make motorola webOS phones
Aug 18 23:37:37 <pakl> Tommy: opening would be interesting
Aug 18 23:37:49 <leiru> even my iOS designer is writing me an email (he's not writing me on anything else) that it would be a nice idea to buy a mac
Aug 18 23:38:04 <leiru> *but the impact is really great
Aug 18 23:38:09 <leiru> s/i/is
Aug 18 23:38:10 <Tommy> pakl: it'd be amazing, i'd get great multitasking in android and you guys would get all the webOS lovin you want
Aug 18 23:38:12 <PatrickC> any news?
Aug 18 23:38:13 <ryaxnb> The apex (hires screen) optimus pro (lowres screen, kb) optimus chat (kb), genesis (kb), optimus me (low end) and optimus net (sequel)
Aug 18 23:38:27 <ryaxnb> are all different from the core Optimus One line
Aug 18 23:38:29 <Tommy> pakl: you could just buy an android phone with an unlocked bootloader and throw webOS on it if you really don't like android
Aug 18 23:38:37 <ryaxnb> via something significant enough to not make it the same model
Aug 18 23:38:46 <Jordan8> my thoughts exactly @ the multi tasking comment Tommy :p
Aug 18 23:38:48 <pakl> Tommy: a very interesting idea
Aug 18 23:38:54 <leiru> everybody is talking to me, having even nothing to do with webOS, that it is dead now
Aug 18 23:38:56 <leiru> wow
Aug 18 23:39:00 <rwhitby> Tibfib: you have 5 seconds
Aug 18 23:39:00 <Tommy> ryaxnb: the Epic is still a galaxy S, even with a keyboard.
Aug 18 23:39:03 <Tommy> not different.
Aug 18 23:39:07 <dawm|laptop> PIXI is gone from sprint's site
Aug 18 23:39:12 <leiru> almost iOS devs
Aug 18 23:39:12 <Tibfib> rwhitby: what?
Aug 18 23:39:16 <ryaxnb> Tommy, i consider a kb a significant difference.
Aug 18 23:39:18 <rwhitby> Tibfib: ignore that last message
Aug 18 23:39:29 <ryaxnb> the Epic is different in other ways anyway, for instance it has a flash
Aug 18 23:39:34 <Tommy> ryaxnb: so GSM/CDMA is a significant difference
Aug 18 23:39:41 <ryaxnb> it is, but it's technical
Aug 18 23:39:43 <hij1nx> what is the license on webOS?
Aug 18 23:39:45 <Tommy> ....
Aug 18 23:39:46 <Tommy> lol
Aug 18 23:39:56 <hij1nx> lets fork it =)
Aug 18 23:39:57 <ryaxnb> it means you cant use the same cyanogenmod version
Aug 18 23:40:00 <Tommy> pakl: the thing is, HP has ZERO reason to open source it, that'd be throwing money down the drain... so what i hope happens is that google buys it for more patents and then open sources it alongside android
Aug 18 23:40:02 <ryaxnb> other than that it doesn' tmatter
Aug 18 23:40:26 <hij1nx> +1 fork
Aug 18 23:40:35 <Tommy> lol @ forking a closed source OS
Aug 18 23:40:36 <Tommy> good luck
Aug 18 23:40:44 <pakl> Tommy: couldn't HP open source it, and still license it to hardware manufacturers so they could sell it on their devices?
Aug 18 23:40:46 <hij1nx> is it closed? thats why i asked
Aug 18 23:40:50 <ryaxnb> yes it is closed
Aug 18 23:40:54 <ryaxnb> thanks for asking.
Aug 18 23:40:55 <pakl> Tommy: (they could benefit from the OS community's patches)
Aug 18 23:40:57 <Tommy> pakl: if it's open source, manufacturers could use it for free
Aug 18 23:40:58 <trsohmers> I agree with Tommy
Aug 18 23:41:09 <ryaxnb> Tommy, unless it was GPL..
Aug 18 23:41:12 <trsohmers> pakl: How would they benefit? They already said they aren't going to use it
Aug 18 23:41:15 <ryaxnb> like all GPL throughout
Aug 18 23:41:15 <Tommy> eh
Aug 18 23:41:17 <trsohmers> for more devices
Aug 18 23:41:31 <Tommy> i think the only way HP is letting it go is for cash
Aug 18 23:41:33 <pakl> trsohmers: they'd benefit from licensing, e.g., to HTC
Aug 18 23:41:43 <ryaxnb> i think webos might be interesting to HTC or LG
Aug 18 23:41:44 <Tommy> either licensed (no one wants it) or selling it as a package (google, heaven forbid apple/msft)
Aug 18 23:41:54 <akanster> you guys think open source is magic?  There are still major issues to contend with.
Aug 18 23:41:58 <Tommy> ryaxnb: yeah, every manufacturer wants an OS that has already flopped in the public's eye
Aug 18 23:42:08 <Tommy> akanster: issues with what?
Aug 18 23:42:11 <ryaxnb> i really do think LG might want it , because they're taking losses
Aug 18 23:42:18 <Tommy> ryaxnb: that'd double their losses
Aug 18 23:42:25 <PatrickC> I hope that they do license it out
Aug 18 23:42:30 <ryaxnb> it might, they might be willing to do the honored strategy of taking risks
Aug 18 23:42:37 <Tommy> lol
Aug 18 23:42:43 <Tommy> you act like LG is a failing company
Aug 18 23:42:44 <ryaxnb> it's not like they have to make every phone they make a webos phone
Aug 18 23:42:45 <hij1nx> i guess this opens up the opportunity for a new OSS Node.js based mobile OS
Aug 18 23:42:52 <Tommy> you realize they're one of two significant LCD manufacturers on the planet right?
Aug 18 23:42:59 <Tommy> LG and Samsung make like 90% of smartphone displays
Aug 18 23:43:20 <Tommy> their /phones/ don't sell well, that doesn't mean they're looking to dump money into trying to fix that part, they're not desperate
Aug 18 23:43:24 <ryaxnb> im aware that LG is doing not well
Aug 18 23:43:26 <trsohmers> And if it is open sourced and driven by community patches, it would be easier for someone to go around them
Aug 18 23:43:27 <ryaxnb> er, not bad
Aug 18 23:43:34 <Tommy> so then why would they be taking risks
Aug 18 23:43:36 <ryaxnb> but of course they want to fix that part
Aug 18 23:43:41 <Tommy> unnecessary ones at that
Aug 18 23:43:44 <shades> why did webos die?
Aug 18 23:43:50 <Tommy> if they want to fix their phones, they should make better phones. with android.
Aug 18 23:43:52 <shades> http://allthingsd.com/20110818/breaking-hp-makes-big-shift-on-webos-exiting-hardware-business/
Aug 18 23:43:53 <Tommy> that's what they're going to focus on
Aug 18 23:43:57 <ryaxnb> it's not dumping money; it's probably like $5 a phone for webos
Aug 18 23:44:03 <ryaxnb> it could be similar to android's legal fees
Aug 18 23:44:07 <trsohmers> And why would they license it to HTC or anyone else…HTC and others won't like it if they won't support it
Aug 18 23:44:09 <Tommy> ryaxnb: oh right, R&D doesn't mean shit right?
Aug 18 23:44:16 <trsohmers> HTC, LG, etc aren't going to support the OS themselves
Aug 18 23:44:17 <ryaxnb> no, i mean for the license...
Aug 18 23:44:23 <shades> it's only a choice of android or iOS now...
Aug 18 23:44:27 <ryaxnb> HP still owns the OS and wants to license it out
Aug 18 23:44:27 <Tommy> ryaxnb: yeah, but you need someone to put the OS on the phone
Aug 18 23:44:38 <Tommy> drivers, kernel, shit needs to be made
Aug 18 23:44:46 <Tommy> it's not like "okay i licensed it, now the software works great with the hardware"
Aug 18 23:44:46 <ryaxnb> true
Aug 18 23:45:11 <Tommy> when motorola was putting all of their bets on android, they hired an android development team of _350_ engineers... that's more than google has on the android development team
Aug 18 23:45:13 <ryaxnb> but it costs money to warp android to a phone too
Aug 18 23:45:18 <twbbas> *sigh* I just got an email with "Huge savings on the newest products from HP - including the all-new HP TouchPad!"
Aug 18 23:45:18 <pakl> well, remember drivers and kernel are linux
Aug 18 23:45:21 <Tommy> exactly, and LG's already invested that money
Aug 18 23:45:25 <twbbas> The email was from HP
Aug 18 23:45:32 <ryaxnb> no , you have to do it for every new phone.
Aug 18 23:45:35 <PatrickC> regardless of what happens.. I will be a webos user for a long time to go
Aug 18 23:45:38 <Tommy> twbbas: lol what price now?
Aug 18 23:45:56 <Tommy> PatrickC: i respect that, but app support is going to be atrocious, that's why you'll end up migrating :\
Aug 18 23:45:58 <twbbas> Tommy: Same price after $100 discount
Aug 18 23:46:09 <twbbas> Tommy: No new prices announced
Aug 18 23:46:12 <PatrickC> so $399?
Aug 18 23:46:18 <twbbas> for 16GB, yes
Aug 18 23:46:19 <PatrickC> oh.. $499 ok
Aug 18 23:46:21 <Tommy> twbbas: lame
Aug 18 23:46:27 <PatrickC> 32gb is where its at
Aug 18 23:46:32 <Tommy> i'd rather save another $100 and get a 16GB acer iconia
Aug 18 23:46:38 <Tommy> $298 baybay
Aug 18 23:47:36 <shades> what's going to happen to webos now?
Aug 18 23:47:51 <Tommy> shades: we're hoping it gets sold to another company then open sourced
Aug 18 23:47:59 <Tommy> but nobody has a clue what HP's going to do
Aug 18 23:48:15 <Tommy> i'd laugh if they just sued blackberry for the playbook using the same UI, turned into patent trolls
Aug 18 23:48:30 <epyon22_pre-> we should raise money and a community and buy it
Aug 18 23:48:40 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 18 23:48:41 <pakl> If HP had priced the touchpad at $300/$400, would it have flown off the shelves?
Aug 18 23:49:01 <pakl> Everyone seems to get excited when it gets cheaper
Aug 18 23:49:01 <Tommy> pakl: it's $399 for 16gb right now
Aug 18 23:49:03 <Tommy> still didn't help
Aug 18 23:49:48 <shades> so uh
Aug 18 23:49:57 <shades> i should quit developing for webos now?
Aug 18 23:50:07 <Tommy> yup
Aug 18 23:50:14 <shades> and go to my only other options of android or webos?
Aug 18 23:50:19 <shades> erm ios i meant
Aug 18 23:50:25 <pakl> shades: you started?  I was still waiting to find out if I should use Mojo or Enjo :)
Aug 18 23:50:29 <shades> i don't like android because of how personal information reapy it is
Aug 18 23:50:31 <Tommy> lol, and iOS requires $99/year for the SDK, plus a mac to develop on
Aug 18 23:50:46 <shades> no, the fee is just to have it in the appstore i think
Aug 18 23:50:53 <Tommy> shades: you don't have to use any personal info... just don't use the google services
Aug 18 23:50:53 <shades> you don't need a mac to develop on either..
Aug 18 23:51:02 <Tommy> shades: the sdk is only for OSX
Aug 18 23:51:04 <shades> the phone is useless with out a google account
Aug 18 23:51:10 <Tommy> shades: not true at all!
Aug 18 23:51:16 <pepone> webOS Sdk is nicer than the iOS
Aug 18 23:51:21 <Tommy> get your own email client, your own calendar, and use amazon's app store
Aug 18 23:51:27 <shades> you mean, was, nicer than the iOS
Aug 18 23:51:31 <Tommy> before amazon came out with the app store, yes, i agree, android market was absolutely necessary
Aug 18 23:51:43 <Tommy> but now, shit, build it from AOSP and do what you want
Aug 18 23:52:12 <shades> sprint is going to kill it's unlimimted data plan once it's filled by ifones and/or androids 8 C
Aug 18 23:52:21 <shades> webos was never popular enough to reap all their bandwidth
Aug 18 23:52:39 <Jordan8> idt they will
Aug 18 23:52:40 <shades> and i was a diehard palm fan, it looks like it's finally ready for it's grave ;(
Aug 18 23:52:59 <Jordan8> that's a major selling point they have.
Aug 18 23:53:00 <shades> oldschool palm was the shit
Aug 18 23:53:16 <twbbas> "Leo fell to his needs and cried 'HURDDD!!!!!' loudly at the sky" - Quote from TIMN live podcast right now
Aug 18 23:53:26 <fxspec06> LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Aug 18 23:53:44 <shades> wtf am I going to do now?
Aug 18 23:53:52 <shades> i have another brick of a device?? 8 C
Aug 18 23:54:04 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/thoughts-apotheker-and-why-we-re-potentially-concerned
Aug 18 23:54:04 <twbbas> "The hitler fail videos tomorrow are going to be awesome"
Aug 18 23:54:11 <fxspec06> DKES from 8.2.10
Aug 18 23:54:16 <robotx> just calm down shades
Aug 18 23:54:36 <leiru> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/08/18/hp_to_spin_off_pc_business_to_focus_on_enterprise_software.html
Aug 18 23:55:12 <akanster> to focus on software and services?  Why didn't Leo just go back to SAS?
Aug 18 23:55:53 <akanster> SAP*
Aug 18 23:56:08 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/digikat-software/291912-palm-ends-support-webos-1-4-x.html
Aug 18 23:56:16 <fxspec06> no more 1.4.x apps...........
Aug 18 23:57:27 <shades> D 8
Aug 18 23:57:33 <shades> the empire is crumbling!!
Aug 18 23:58:45 <rtyler> well chaps
Aug 18 23:58:47 <rtyler> it's been fun
Aug 18 23:58:54 <rtyler> I returned my TP and bought an Android tablet instead
Aug 18 23:59:03 <rtyler> I guess i'll go learn Java or some crap O_O
Aug 18 23:59:12 <leiru> ouch
Aug 19 00:00:28 <rtyler> I suppose I should leave the channel now
Aug 19 00:00:35 <rtyler> and delete the SDK and novacomd from my machine :-P
Aug 19 00:00:44 <dawm|laptop> quitters
Aug 19 00:00:48 <pakl> rtyler: there may be hope:  Breaking : Zuckerberg "to acquire" WebOS intellectual property and rename it "FacePalm".
Aug 19 00:00:53 <dawm|laptop> webOS 4 LIFE
Aug 19 00:01:05 <RagingMind> even if it's rescued somehow I'm hoping I get a TP for cheap
Aug 19 00:01:17 <ryaxnb> amazon should buy webos
Aug 19 00:02:03 <akanster> http://twitpic.com/685xbd - phnx is now open source
Aug 19 00:03:38 <rtyler> pakl: I had a hearty belly laugh over that
Aug 19 00:04:28 <pakl> rtyler: it was RT from @reillyusa
Aug 19 00:06:11 <dcousineau> yeah doctoring my TP right now for a return
Aug 19 00:06:16 <dcousineau> granted have another one on the way
Aug 19 00:06:19 <dcousineau> had purchased 2
Aug 19 00:06:23 <dcousineau> will keep my dev discounted one
Aug 19 00:06:31 <dcousineau> GF doesn't want hers anymore and I want mah cash back
Aug 19 00:06:41 <ziplock503> damn
Aug 19 00:06:52 <akanster> L(
Aug 19 00:06:54 <akanster> :(
Aug 19 00:07:03 <dcousineau> yeah
Aug 19 00:07:12 <dcousineau> have half a mind to return the other but i'll feel better in the morning
Aug 19 00:07:17 <dcousineau> plus $200? not goddamned bad.
Aug 19 00:07:53 * haeffb considers buying dev discounted devices
Aug 19 00:08:06 <haeffb> wonder if they have a few 7" tablets laying around
Aug 19 00:08:22 <haeffb> and/or an unlocked Pre3
Aug 19 00:08:25 <fxspec06> read this
Aug 19 00:08:25 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/round-table-hp-dumps-webos#comments
Aug 19 00:08:40 <pakl> dcousineau: $200? So multiple discounts apply?
Aug 19 00:09:04 <ziplock503> I'm waiting on mine for Facebook contest
Aug 19 00:09:21 <dcousineau> nein
Aug 19 00:09:32 <pakl> dcousineau: the developer discount is that much?
Aug 19 00:09:37 <ziplock503> htc webos with beats?
Aug 19 00:09:43 <dcousineau> for some
Aug 19 00:09:49 <dcousineau> they had teired discounts
Aug 19 00:10:00 <dcousineau> plus I bought w/ discount after $100 price reduction
Aug 19 00:10:01 <Spanska> just thinking I bought the TP a few weeks ago
Aug 19 00:10:11 <Spanska> I like it though..
Aug 19 00:10:27 * rtyler decides to leave 
Aug 19 00:10:32 <rtyler> it's been fun #webos
Aug 19 00:10:35 <rtyler> all six days of it
Aug 19 00:13:37 <dcousineau> I still love the device
Aug 19 00:13:41 <dcousineau> just no need for 2 of them
Aug 19 00:13:46 <dcousineau> now that it's a cheap hackable
Aug 19 00:16:07 <zylogz80> updated my app's website http://www.linkedlistcorruption.com/redit/
Aug 19 00:16:13 <zylogz80> sumbitted it to the app catalog
Aug 19 00:16:42 <zylogz80> should be available as soon as HP accepts it
Aug 19 00:20:14 <Meetoman> we are doomed!!
Aug 19 00:23:42 <pakl> So HP is going into software, by buying a software company called "Autonomy"??
Aug 19 00:30:56 <CTLAdvance> This explains why HP got beats
Aug 19 00:30:59 <CTLAdvance> HTC*
Aug 19 00:31:20 <twbbas> I really wish the developer blog put out a post about the future products like the Pre 3
Aug 19 00:31:23 <twbbas> and TouchPad Go
Aug 19 00:31:34 <twbbas> It's not clear right now what's going on
Aug 19 00:31:47 <CTLAdvance> nope
Aug 19 00:31:53 <CTLAdvance> This explains everything
Aug 19 00:32:05 <CTLAdvance> They must have known this a while ago
Aug 19 00:32:19 <rwhitby> twbbas: I expect anything which is not for sale today will not be on sale in the future
Aug 19 00:32:27 <CTLAdvance> I would say they knew this as far back as May or even further
Aug 19 00:32:44 <twbbas> rwhitby: That's what I fear
Aug 19 00:33:01 <CTLAdvance> ok I need to change my day to day tablet strategy
Aug 19 00:33:11 <twbbas> I have a half upgrade available now and a full upgrade available on Oct. 1st
Aug 19 00:33:11 <CTLAdvance> hmm..
Aug 19 00:33:16 <twbbas> What to buy on Sprint...
Aug 19 00:33:37 <Cerealklr> twbbas: I bought a VZW Pre+ and made my own upgrade. I'm not giving up on WebOS yet, even if HP has.
Aug 19 00:33:54 <twbbas> Cerealklr: I'm debating whether to frankepre a Pre 2 or not
Aug 19 00:34:13 <Cerealklr> The nice thing about WebOS is how simple it is to program for. If I'm the last developer for it, I'll still be able to get by.
Aug 19 00:34:34 <twbbas> I just don't know if I'll be able to pass up an iPhone 5 or a shiny new Android phone on October 1st
Aug 19 00:34:40 <Cerealklr> twbbas: It'll take steady hands, a T5 screw driver, and a steady resolve
Aug 19 00:34:45 <Cerealklr> but it isn't actually too difficult.
Aug 19 00:34:50 <twbbas> that's what I've heard
Aug 19 00:34:56 <twbbas> I heard it takes like 15 mins tops too
Aug 19 00:35:11 <Cerealklr> Well, if you have the above three, yes. I only had the last one, so it took me about an hour.
Aug 19 00:35:15 <Cerealklr> =P
Aug 19 00:35:20 <twbbas> haha
Aug 19 00:35:30 <Tibfib> josh good angry
Aug 19 00:35:32 <twbbas> well I'm off to comtemplate my future programming
Aug 19 00:35:34 <Tibfib> s/good/got/
Aug 19 00:35:54 <CTLAdvance> twbbas_: wait
Aug 19 00:35:59 <ziplock503> yeah I got sprint pre2 I'm good for 6 months
Aug 19 00:36:14 <Spanska> I hope we will get much more information soon
Aug 19 00:36:30 <dawm|laptop> im waiting for the epic to go free w/ upgrade
Aug 19 00:36:36 <dawm|laptop> sadly
Aug 19 00:36:47 <dawm|laptop> but my pre2 will do me just fine
Aug 19 00:37:15 <dawm|laptop> i hate droid but its pretty much the only option on sprint
Aug 19 00:37:22 <CTLAdvance> WebOS has now officially been ipaqed
Aug 19 00:37:25 <CTLAdvance> :/
Aug 19 00:37:26 <Cerealklr> By the by, rwhitby, what are your plans now? Have you given much thought to it yet?
Aug 19 00:37:27 <dawm|laptop> ;(
Aug 19 00:37:35 <CTLAdvance> And Lemke told me it would not be
Aug 19 00:37:42 <CTLAdvance> oh well
Aug 19 00:37:56 <dawm|laptop> sprint doesnt even list the pixi anymore
Aug 19 00:37:58 <rwhitby> Cerealklr: business as usual. WebOS Internals has never depended on the support of the vendor.
Aug 19 00:38:29 <CTLAdvance> Now they should take androids backend and make their own webOS distro
Aug 19 00:38:29 <Cerealklr> That's good to hear. Has anyone started kicking around the possibility of getting WebOS running on other hardware?
Aug 19 00:38:45 <CTLAdvance> I am sure it can be to hard for you Rod
Aug 19 00:39:08 <ziplock503> I'm want that sweet patch .. so they can't wipe us
Aug 19 00:39:10 <ziplock503> :)
Aug 19 00:39:11 <CTLAdvance> And say, WebyComb OS
Aug 19 00:39:13 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Aug 19 00:45:04 <fxspec06> guys
Aug 19 00:45:12 <fxspec06> does this mean that NDA has been lifted? ; )
Aug 19 00:45:20 <fxspec06> (j/k)
Aug 19 00:46:02 <Tibfib> hey anyone care about opening up the real URL of an image?
Aug 19 00:46:08 <Tibfib> in nomnomnom?
Aug 19 00:46:56 <Tibfib> also, anyone read xkcd?
Aug 19 00:47:30 <pakl> Tibfib: only when someone sends me a link to xkcd
Aug 19 00:47:37 <Tibfib> hmmmm
Aug 19 00:47:46 <Tibfib> I need some peeps read it often
Aug 19 00:47:49 <Tibfib> or other webcomics
Aug 19 00:47:56 <Tibfib> that have punchlines/jokes in when you hover over the image
Aug 19 00:48:05 <Cerealklr> Tibfib: I do, why?
Aug 19 00:48:20 <Tibfib> Cerealklr: do you consider the hover text to be a "spoiler" kind of?
Aug 19 00:48:33 <Tibfib> what you be annoyed if it was automatically showed?
Aug 19 00:49:15 <Cerealklr> Tibfib: Not really. It usually was more entertaining after reading the comic though, so I usually just keep the mouse away until i've finished reading, though.
Aug 19 00:49:16 <pakl> fxspec06: is anything still under NDA since 3.0.2 came out??
Aug 19 00:49:27 <Tibfib> Cerealklr: okay
Aug 19 00:49:33 <Tibfib> in that case, I'll make it tap to show
Aug 19 00:49:42 <Cerealklr> pakl: The forum is still private, so it's safe to assume the NDA still applies.
Aug 19 00:49:51 <trsohmers> I read xkcd quite a bit
Aug 19 00:50:57 <Tibfib> trsohmers: I pose you the same question ^
Aug 19 00:51:10 <fxspec06> pakl: yes. that is all that i am allowed to say.
Aug 19 00:51:19 <trsohmers> Hmm… I usually read the alt text after the comic
Aug 19 00:51:29 <Tibfib> so would it be lame if it was auto-shown?
Aug 19 00:51:50 <trsohmers> I like it how it is now
Aug 19 00:51:55 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 19 00:52:03 <Tibfib> this is for my google reader app
Aug 19 00:52:06 <Tibfib> there is no "hover" event
Aug 19 00:52:11 <trsohmers> But I won't go into an uproar like the Gawker/Gizmodo redesign
Aug 19 00:52:36 <trsohmers> lol
Aug 19 01:03:15 <LarrySteeze> hello there
Aug 19 01:04:24 <Cerealklr> hello
Aug 19 01:05:32 <LarrySteeze> interesting news today, huh?
Aug 19 01:05:32 <CTLAdvance> oh we can talk about 2.1 finally?
Aug 19 01:05:53 <kevets> I see we havent burned the place down yet
Aug 19 01:06:07 * rrix just woke up and read precentral
Aug 19 01:06:43 <Cerealklr> rrix: Reccomendation: Go back to sleep, pretend it never happened.
Aug 19 01:06:49 <rrix> This just stinks of Elop's burning platform bullshit
Aug 19 01:07:10 <rrix> Som executive gets a wild hair up his ass and everyone else has to play damage control
Aug 19 01:07:46 <LarrySteeze> heh
Aug 19 01:07:57 <LarrySteeze> yeah...
Aug 19 01:07:58 <rrix> While months later more than half of Nokia's software BU has nothing to do with winphone still
Aug 19 01:08:41 <kevets> rrix this is just a bad dream
Aug 19 01:08:49 <LarrySteeze> believe it or not, I got several phone calls today from people asking if I heard the news...from people who aren't webos users...
Aug 19 01:09:02 <LarrySteeze> simply because they know my tie-in
Aug 19 01:09:37 <LarrySteeze> I'll be honest...while I have high-hopes that this could mean licensing for better hardware, I don't have high expectations
Aug 19 01:09:39 <rrix> kevets: I fell asleep to a bad dream, i wouldn't be surprised
Aug 19 01:09:39 <Cerealklr> Figures. Our mindshare is gargantuan when it's bad news.
Aug 19 01:10:20 <Spanska> Other platform just suck ;)
Aug 19 01:10:23 <Spanska> platforms
Aug 19 01:11:19 <Spanska> webOS is the only platform with proper PIM applications, even though, in my opinion, they regressed compared to what they were in Palm OS
Aug 19 01:11:35 <LarrySteeze> I really do blame it on the hardware, the whole downfall...the biggest thing anyone I talked to didn't like about webos wasn't even the lack of apps...it was the slowness (think stock devices)
Aug 19 01:12:22 <Tommy> Spanska: what's PIM?
Aug 19 01:12:24 <LarrySteeze> with better hardware, this could have certainly been fixed...at announcement time, the devices have always been on par with what was being released at the time...but then it was another 6+ months (depending on the device) before it even came out
Aug 19 01:12:43 <pakl> LarrySteeze: You don't think the main problem was apps?
Aug 19 01:12:51 <Tommy> LarrySteeze: meh, the touchpad was on par with or better than 99% of tablets out there in hardware
Aug 19 01:12:56 <Tommy> and it didn't sell for shit.
Aug 19 01:13:06 <Tommy> your argument holds water with the phones, not with the touchpad, there's no reason for that thing to not sell
Aug 19 01:13:08 <kevets> I think they are going to address this hardware concern head on with whatever partnerships we see next
Aug 19 01:13:15 <Spanska> Tommy: Personal Information Manager
Aug 19 01:13:19 <Tommy> kevets: lol, but now you're assuming partnerships
Aug 19 01:13:27 <pakl> LarrySteeze: The biggest complaint I ever heard was apps. "It costs as much as an iPad, but no apps."
Aug 19 01:13:31 <Spanska> Tommy: contacts, calendar, tasks, memos
Aug 19 01:13:39 <kevets> I'm hopeful for that, yes
Aug 19 01:13:42 <Tommy> Spanska: and what's wrong with google syncing everything to your gmail account?
Aug 19 01:13:53 <kevets> hp couldnt execute bc they dont do phones well
Aug 19 01:14:02 <Tommy> kevets: they didn't do any phones, the phones were palm's
Aug 19 01:14:05 <Spanska> Tommy: Google doesn't even have recurrent tasks
Aug 19 01:14:17 <CTLAdvance> What saddens me is that they had the pre3 working back in feb, they could have launched it then, I am not sure what held them up so long, even if it did launch with 2.1
Aug 19 01:14:20 <Tommy> you mean, a calendar event that happens every so often?
Aug 19 01:14:22 <kevets> and hp took over palm
Aug 19 01:14:33 <Tommy> kevets: yeah but HP didn't bother designing any new phones since they bought palm
Aug 19 01:14:37 <CTLAdvance> and failure to launch is why I jumped to IOS in March
Aug 19 01:14:37 <Tommy> they used designs palm already had afaik
Aug 19 01:14:39 <Spanska> Tommy: no, a task, which is different than a calendar event
Aug 19 01:14:49 <Tommy> Spanska: okay, what's the functional difference
Aug 19 01:15:05 <pakl> CTLAdvance: Seems like a good reason.  I wonder if they had some form of Enyo on that Pre3 in Feb.
Aug 19 01:15:12 <kevets> ok blame palm if you want dude
Aug 19 01:15:31 <Tommy> kevets: both companies handled it horribly
Aug 19 01:16:12 <kevets> palm os was successful when it was out before because of their hardware partnerships, and I hope it can get back to that one day
Aug 19 01:16:18 <Tommy> Spanska: oh i see, a task has to be done /by/ a certain time while an event happens /at/ a certain time?
Aug 19 01:16:18 <Spanska> Tommy: when the calendar event occurs, if nothing special is done and time passes, it's gone. A task will stay active until it is marked completed and a recurrent one will recreate itself after a given amount of time based on the creation of the previous task or the date the previous task was completed, for example
Aug 19 01:16:29 <Spanska> Tommy: exactly!
Aug 19 01:16:32 <Tommy> yeah yeah, i see
Aug 19 01:16:35 <pakl> CTLAdvance: I just felt paralyzed not knowing whether to work with Mojo or Enyo.
Aug 19 01:16:36 <CTLAdvance> Pakl - Who cares about enyo, I think it only adds to the lag
Aug 19 01:16:36 <Tommy> i've never used tasks before, i just put everything in my calendar
Aug 19 01:16:41 <Spanska> I use that so much on my old Palm
Aug 19 01:16:42 <Tommy> interesting concept though
Aug 19 01:16:42 <CTLAdvance> and even
Aug 19 01:16:46 <CTLAdvance> mojo would suffice
Aug 19 01:16:49 <Tommy> Spanska: does google even have tasks in android?
Aug 19 01:16:59 <Tommy> i've never tried looking for/using them
Aug 19 01:17:03 <Spanska> Tommy: I use to do that too, but I definitely preferred tasks when I understood how to use them
Aug 19 01:17:40 <pakl> CTLAdvance: I just think HP gave developers confusing messages/paralysis
Aug 19 01:17:43 <Spanska> Tommy: I'm not even sure they do.. and that sucks, I think it's one of the basic apps that should just come with the device
Aug 19 01:18:03 <CTLAdvance> I think HP bought PALM and didnt know what to do with it
Aug 19 01:18:13 <Tommy> Spanska: well there are like 600 tasks apps in the market
Aug 19 01:18:16 <LarrySteeze> Tommy: I think the game was lost before the TouchPad was launched.
Aug 19 01:18:18 <Tommy> so i'm not worried if they don't include it
Aug 19 01:18:34 <Spanska> none would probably sync with Outlook
Aug 19 01:18:35 <Tommy> and yes, since february 2009 android has had gmail tasks support
Aug 19 01:18:36 <dawm|laptop> the game was lost when they screwed over the sprint pre- owners
Aug 19 01:18:37 <Tommy> :P
Aug 19 01:18:43 <Tommy> LarrySteeze: perhaps
Aug 19 01:18:50 <dawm|laptop> no plus, no pre2 no nothing
Aug 19 01:18:54 <Tommy> lol
Aug 19 01:18:58 <dawm|laptop> speaking of which
Aug 19 01:19:09 <dawm|laptop> did anyone archive the EAS sprint 2.0 doctors?
Aug 19 01:19:14 <dawm|laptop> er EAP
Aug 19 01:19:23 <dawm|laptop> i was thinking about it earlier today
Aug 19 01:19:36 <LarrySteeze> and apps are much more important now than they were two years ago...yes, they still had their importance, but I still think the importance has gone up in some regards...
Aug 19 01:19:50 <LarrySteeze> though I also think in the coming years, the importance of apps will go down to virtually zero
Aug 19 01:19:59 <Tommy> ..........
Aug 19 01:20:03 <Tommy> how do you figure
Aug 19 01:20:36 <LarrySteeze> HTML5 and other web-based technologies are becoming more and more developed
Aug 19 01:20:45 <Tommy> yeah, which is great for when you have a good connection
Aug 19 01:21:11 <LarrySteeze> when I say coming years, I don't mean 12 months
Aug 19 01:21:16 <LarrySteeze> and
Aug 19 01:21:18 <pakl> Tommy: don't most smartphones locally cache their HTML5 apps?
Aug 19 01:21:23 <Tommy> LarrySteeze: some people go underground.
Aug 19 01:21:28 <LarrySteeze> beyond that, html5 can be downloaded
Aug 19 01:21:34 <Tommy> pakl: i don't know
Aug 19 01:21:42 <Tommy> LarrySteeze: so then why wouldn't you just do it in java rather than downloading html5
Aug 19 01:21:47 <pakl> Tommy: On iDevices, HTML5 apps are locally cached
Aug 19 01:21:47 <Tommy> what's wrong with a java app for android
Aug 19 01:22:00 <LarrySteeze> html5 is lighter
Aug 19 01:22:25 <LarrySteeze> hell, you can even throw in ajax if you want
Aug 19 01:23:21 <LarrySteeze> my point, however, is not specifically on html5...it's on the fact that "universal" web-based technologies are going to take over, especially with the growing acceptance of hardware accelleration within those communities
Aug 19 01:23:47 <Tommy> hmm
Aug 19 01:23:55 <Tommy> as long as apple lets them use hardware acceleration :P
Aug 19 01:23:58 <Tommy> coughflashcough
Aug 19 01:24:54 <LarrySteeze> I also think it will be driven by the developers, not by the manufacturers. On the dev side, why wouldn't you want to develop an app once that can be run on all devices? There is obvious incentive for the manufacturers to want their own proprietary development, both for quality control and for exclusivity
Aug 19 01:25:17 <LarrySteeze> flash is a different story. Flash is a proprietary, far from open, development environment
Aug 19 01:25:27 <LarrySteeze> and flash is very taxing on processing poewr
Aug 19 01:25:29 <LarrySteeze> *power
Aug 19 01:25:39 <pakl> right - in contrast, webkit is open, and supports html5
Aug 19 01:25:43 <LarrySteeze> this is simply terrible in a mobile environment
Aug 19 01:25:59 <Cerealklr> LarrySteeze: Not entirely. the SWF file format isn't proprietary. It's the _reccomended_ (but not necessary) flash editor and file format this is proprietary
Aug 19 01:26:18 <Cerealklr> LarrySteeze: Furthermore, the same argument could, in that vein, be applied to Sun Java
Aug 19 01:26:32 <LarrySteeze> you're right, it could be
Aug 19 01:26:44 <LarrySteeze> I can go on record now that I've never been a fan of java
Aug 19 01:26:45 <rrix> And it regularly is :)
Aug 19 01:26:57 <LarrySteeze> I've hated java since version 1
Aug 19 01:27:00 <CTLAdvance> fav engadget comment on hp/palm
Aug 19 01:27:02 <CTLAdvance> They must have been Palm-ing themselves in the bathroom for too long.
Aug 19 01:27:02 <Cerealklr> LarrySteeze: I personally agree that HTML5 should win out in the end, but I don't think we need to demonize other languages for it. Besides, HTML5 isn't anything but a markup language. You meant modern web technologies on the whole.
Aug 19 01:27:05 <pakl> I think people ragging on Java are thinking of java version 1 applets.
Aug 19 01:27:26 <rrix> No, just java in general
Aug 19 01:27:43 <LarrySteeze> html 5 is only an example...I originally stated "modern and evolving web technologies"
Aug 19 01:28:05 <LarrySteeze> or something to that effect
Aug 19 01:28:28 <pakl> java is neither particularly taxing on CPU, not is it proprietary anymore. So the same objections to Flash do not apply.
Aug 19 01:28:56 <Cerealklr> pakl: Read what I said above about Flash and Java.
Aug 19 01:29:21 <Cerealklr> the SWF format is not proprietary, which is what the laymen thinks of when somebody says "Flash"
Aug 19 01:29:39 <pakl> Cerealklr: ah, I see
Aug 19 01:29:39 <Cerealklr> Further more, open source alternatives to the flash player exist now
Aug 19 01:29:45 <Cerealklr> though most of them aren't yet fully featured
Aug 19 01:30:09 <Cerealklr> Flash isn't a bad thing -- it just isn't the good thing we're all hoping web technologies can be.
Aug 19 01:30:36 <rrix> I wonder if HP really has any reason at all to keep from opening up webOS development
Aug 19 01:30:44 <LarrySteeze> we're beyond my point though. I personally feel that web technologies will win out over what is traditionally thought of as native development
Aug 19 01:30:52 <rrix> http://i.imgur.com/SqWOy.jpg <== off topic, wtf shaved bear
Aug 19 01:30:59 <pakl> rrix: someone earlier said that it's not in their interest to open it
Aug 19 01:31:15 <rrix> pakl: I see the exact opposite
Aug 19 01:31:20 <LarrySteeze> because using web technologies, you can also create native applications, and you're actually cutting DOWN the number of runtimes required
Aug 19 01:31:22 <Cerealklr> LarrySteeze: I don't fully agree because of WebOS. I think the difference is native development will become web languages, just as it has with WebOS
Aug 19 01:31:33 <rrix> The only benefit they had in keeping it closed was that they could control the hardware
Aug 19 01:31:39 <pakl> rrix: I agree.  My thought was that they could open it, but license it for commercial use
Aug 19 01:31:44 <dawm|laptop> i wonder what would happen if i doctored my sprint pre2 w/ the EAP sprint 2.1 doctor
Aug 19 01:31:51 <LarrySteeze> cerealklr: that's exactly what I am saying
Aug 19 01:31:52 <rrix> the GPL allows for commercial use
Aug 19 01:31:57 <rrix> as do all Free licenses
Aug 19 01:32:09 <CTLAdvance> Mr. Rube, if your in here, I will drink margaritas with you any time
Aug 19 01:32:11 <Cerealklr> LarrySteeze: but that's still considered an app then. Or at least, it is now. =P
Aug 19 01:32:16 <pakl> rrix: well, release it under a license that would require royalties for commercial use
Aug 19 01:32:25 <LarrySteeze> because as I said, why would you write multiple times instead of writing once
Aug 19 01:32:30 * rrix shrugs
Aug 19 01:32:33 <rrix> maybe
Aug 19 01:32:38 <rrix> Probably better for thme, yes
Aug 19 01:32:40 <CTLAdvance> However, I will not go to mexico to do it
Aug 19 01:32:58 <LarrySteeze> it is, but it's conceptually different...and WebOS still has it's propietary side to it
Aug 19 01:33:44 <LarrySteeze> I think apple had the right idea at the BEGINNING before they opened up native development...it's just that the world wasn't ready for it
Aug 19 01:33:46 <Cerealklr> proprietary? Not really. The SDK is open sourced
Aug 19 01:34:01 <LarrySteeze> perhaps proprietary wasn't the right word choice
Aug 19 01:34:07 <rwhitby> webOS is not open source
Aug 19 01:34:36 <pakl> LarrySteeze: You're talking about back when they were pushing web apps?
Aug 19 01:34:49 <Cerealklr> rwhitby: Sorry if I was unclear, but my meaning was that I can read all of the code layered on top of JS to build up the SDK. =P
Aug 19 01:35:06 <LarrySteeze> pakl: yes
Aug 19 01:35:19 <LarrySteeze> pakl: though I think they should be able to be run both natively OR through the browser
Aug 19 01:35:31 <pakl> LarrySteeze: if HTML5 and local caching were more well entrenched by then, apple's original plan could have worked.
Aug 19 01:35:33 <dawm|laptop> rwhitby:  any idea as to what would happen if i doctored my frankenpre2 with the EAP 2.1 sprint doctor?
Aug 19 01:36:07 <LarrySteeze> or even through the "cloud" but bypassing the browser (well, the os would technically be the browser...so it would be much like google's chromeos)
Aug 19 01:36:10 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: you'd have a lot of bugs which are not in the final 2.1 release?
Aug 19 01:36:19 <dawm|laptop> well obviously
Aug 19 01:36:28 <LarrySteeze> pakl: again, exactly what I was saying :P
Aug 19 01:36:31 <twbbas_> rwhitby: Have you guys been able to get access to a Pre 3 doctor yet? And do you know if SMS-sharing would be capable of being a homebrew-addon?
Aug 19 01:36:32 <dawm|laptop> what about using the 2.0.1 and getting the OTA update
Aug 19 01:36:46 <rwhitby> twbbas_: no and don't know
Aug 19 01:36:51 <twbbas_> dang
Aug 19 01:37:03 <LarrySteeze> brb
Aug 19 01:37:08 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: there is no sprint ota update
Aug 19 01:37:25 <CTLAdvance> I hope chuq has news for us tomorrow
Aug 19 01:37:35 <dawm|laptop> why did i get an OTA update when i metadoctored?
Aug 19 01:37:41 <CTLAdvance> but other then in the coming months I fear nothing will be revieled
Aug 19 01:38:25 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: that would have been a minor ROW 2.1.0 adjustment, not a sprint OTA
Aug 19 01:38:33 <dawm|laptop> oh true
Aug 19 01:38:54 <dawm|laptop> i guess i could pull the sprint apps from it tho
Aug 19 01:39:12 <CTLAdvance> look at it this way, rod got a free server
Aug 19 01:39:14 <CTLAdvance> :)
Aug 19 01:39:22 <NuttyBunny_TP> Heeeey, how're holding up? :-)
Aug 19 01:39:53 <Cerealklr> NuttyBunny_TP: Well, speeking personally, I could use a huge hunk of dark chocolate and a stiff root beer right about now.
Aug 19 01:40:00 <Cerealklr> /s/speeking/speaking
Aug 19 01:41:15 <Cerealklr> I'm off to work off some pentup frustration on the treadmill. Might as take "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" literally. Be back in a while
Aug 19 01:41:40 <mattsmcnulty> If it doesn't kill you, you can still license yourself
Aug 19 01:41:49 <LarrySteeze> lol
Aug 19 01:41:52 <halfhalo> hah
Aug 19 01:42:12 <LarrySteeze> well...I certainly hope HP goes to a licensing stage and doesn't simply sit on it or open source it
Aug 19 01:42:29 <pakl> It makes sense that HP dropped 10% today, but it's a little funny that Autonomy dropped 5.4% too :)
Aug 19 01:43:06 <NuttyBunny_TP> pakl: well, they refused webOS as well, they deserved it
Aug 19 01:43:11 <LarrySteeze> because while I would love the open-sourceness of it, I fear it would be relegated to the back except for hobbyists and non-commercial devs
Aug 19 01:43:21 <fxspec06> i still can't believe it
Aug 19 01:43:23 <fxspec06> webos is dead
Aug 19 01:43:40 <LarrySteeze> what?
Aug 19 01:43:45 <LarrySteeze> where does it say webos is dead?
Aug 19 01:44:03 <fxspec06> hp killed it
Aug 19 01:44:06 * NuttyBunny_TP kicks fxspec06
Aug 19 01:44:09 <fxspec06> webos is flopping on the deck
Aug 19 01:44:11 <pakl> NuttyBunny_TP: Who else refused webOS?  Autonomy?
Aug 19 01:44:17 <LarrySteeze> hp killed webos or webos killed their development?
Aug 19 01:44:22 <LarrySteeze> of devices
Aug 19 01:44:28 <fxspec06> hp killed it
Aug 19 01:44:52 <NuttyBunny_TP> hahaha.. I killed wirc-enyo 
Aug 19 01:44:56 <fxspec06> "Well, let's be real here. When you see the reaction of the lower level executives, it's pretty clear that they had no idea this was coming either. Quite frankly, Leo just put HP in a huge bind. If they had already committed to carriers (some recent rumors indicated they had), then this could be grounds for some major lawsuits. Quite frankly, to be at this stage of introduction for the new
Aug 19 01:44:56 <fxspec06> hardware, and just quit, with millions and millions put forth for hardware already, is idiotic. I'm flabbergasted that the board hasn't already called a meeting to fire the guy. He just took one of the largest technology companies on Earth, and put it on the chopping block. How is this, in any way, shape, or form, good for shareholder value?"
Aug 19 01:44:56 <NuttyBunny_TP> brb
Aug 19 01:45:03 <fxspec06> "I was looking forward to the Pre 3 and seeing if it was a phone I would get my wife, and then, later, myself. I was excited seeing the unveiling by RedMist on his thread. The TouchPad Go was just around the corner. HP has already become the number 2 brand in tablet sales (everyone is sucking behind the iPad, but HP sucked the least in such a short time). And he pulls the plug NOW?! Why not wait
Aug 19 01:45:03 <fxspec06> until you've had the chance to see if all of the hardware would pull in the sales? Even worse, instead of just dropping the TouchPad to $300 and moving tons of units already built for a small loss and gaining marketshare, the moron makes this PR disaster, and makes all of the hardware on retail shelves, and in HP stock, absolutely worthless! Now, instead of eating $30 per TP, you have to eat at
Aug 19 01:45:03 <fxspec06> least $330, and risk multiple lawsuits! BRILLIANT!"
Aug 19 01:45:06 <LarrySteeze> I didn't read that part. I only read that they were killing their device development
Aug 19 01:45:11 <fxspec06> ------http://forums.precentral.net/3073594-post16.html
Aug 19 01:47:04 <pakl> fxspec06: wow. great post.
Aug 19 01:48:17 <kevets> yeah, yesterday I was honestly thinking what a good week it was shaping up to be for webos in general
Aug 19 01:48:29 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 19 01:48:30 <kevets> not quitw
Aug 19 01:48:31 <pakl> kevets: yeah, the TP was apparently #2 on amazon?
Aug 19 01:48:35 <kevets> quite
Aug 19 01:48:45 <fxspec06> =[
Aug 19 01:49:14 <kevets> yeah, and fcc filings for a 7incher... pre3 trickling in... verizon got 2.1.0...
Aug 19 01:49:27 <kevets> all good things by my eye
Aug 19 01:50:01 <pakl> kevets: agreed
Aug 19 01:50:30 <kevets> I just wonder how long it will take for the next big announcement
Aug 19 01:50:43 <pakl> Maybe someone can start a petition online to fire Apotheker
Aug 19 01:51:11 <kevets> lots of people hanging in limbo, thinking of developers putting in work on this stuff
Aug 19 01:51:19 <NuttyBunny_TP> kevets: I heard 2 weeks
Aug 19 01:51:22 <fxspec06> maybe we should have listened to all the whiners all along. =|
Aug 19 01:51:53 * haeffb goes to start another software company: evenSmallerPondapps.com
Aug 19 01:51:59 <fxspec06> lmfao
Aug 19 01:52:07 <kevets> speculation is gonna be running wild... could build some hype if some company wants to make a splash
Aug 19 01:52:22 <fxspec06> it would be a small splash
Aug 19 01:52:28 <haeffb> ooh. ad for Galaxy 10.1 Tab
Aug 19 01:52:31 <kevets> maybe
Aug 19 01:52:51 <fxspec06> suddenly the galaxy sII looks very appealing.
Aug 19 01:53:09 <kevets> everything is gonna seem small when you are competing with iOS and Android.
Aug 19 01:53:19 * haeffb now hoping rumors of iPhone on Sprint area true. :(
Aug 19 01:53:30 <haeffb> are
Aug 19 01:53:45 <fxspec06> i may have to get an iphone 5 on verizon if it comes
Aug 19 01:53:49 <haeffb> iOS seems to suck less than Android
Aug 19 01:53:55 <kevets> all I know is I'm not gettin an iphone and I'm not crazy about android
Aug 19 01:54:23 <kevets> iOS does suck less than android. if I had to id choose that
Aug 19 01:54:25 <fxspec06> what sucks is that webos is no longer an option. =|
Aug 19 01:54:46 <dawm|laptop> it almost never was an option
Aug 19 01:54:51 <dawm|laptop> on any survey or form
Aug 19 01:55:08 <kevets> but I would feel like just another iphone user rather than doing something a little different than everyone else
Aug 19 01:55:12 <fxspec06> i believed in it, but believing in something does not make it exist
Aug 19 01:55:52 <fxspec06> this is out of control, literally
Aug 19 01:55:56 <dawm|laptop> maybe HP had a power failure and all the clocked turned to 4/1 and this is a big joke
Aug 19 01:56:08 <mattsmcnulty> this is officially depressing.
Aug 19 01:56:18 <pakl> dawm|laptop: I think Apotheker just got nervous and acted irrationally
Aug 19 01:56:35 <dawm|laptop> idiot
Aug 19 01:56:37 <fxspec06> he's saving his own ass
Aug 19 01:56:41 <fxspec06> he can go f himself
Aug 19 01:56:53 <fxspec06> HP should just shut down their company
Aug 19 01:56:55 <Tibfib> haeffb: iPhone > WP7 ?
Aug 19 01:57:03 <fxspec06> they're going to whither into nothingness now
Aug 19 01:57:11 <halfhalo> wp7 is pretty slick.  but I do love me some webos
Aug 19 01:57:19 <dawm|laptop> wasnt it just this morning there was an article about EU getting all the new hardware and everyone else getting the shaft
Aug 19 01:57:22 <dawm|laptop> then this shit hit
Aug 19 01:58:00 <fxspec06> yep.
Aug 19 01:58:11 <pakl> A large hardware company says "let's not do hardware anymore. let's buy a software company in the UK and do software."
Aug 19 01:58:20 <pakl> dawm|laptop: you're right, it does sound like 4/1
Aug 19 01:59:50 <haeffb> Tibfib: not enamored of what I've seen of WP7
Aug 19 01:59:59 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 19 02:00:02 <fxspec06> no, this sounds like 9/11
Aug 19 02:00:10 <pakl> lol
Aug 19 02:00:10 <Tibfib> I would go iOS if I had a mac
Aug 19 02:00:15 <Tibfib> can't dev :/
Aug 19 02:00:42 <LarrySteeze> I'm not entirely surprised by their decision to cut webos device development though, considering what they are doing with the pc division. And remember, there was talk about the focus on enterprise when leo came on board a year or so ago
Aug 19 02:00:56 <NuttyBunny_TP> Tibfib: so you're stuck with webOS for the time being?
Aug 19 02:01:06 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny_TP: I'll
Aug 19 02:01:09 <Tibfib> nevermind
Aug 19 02:01:12 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 19 02:01:16 <webOSFan> HAY GUYZ I JUST BOUGHT A TOUCHPAD
Aug 19 02:01:17 <Tibfib> I'll probably get the sea ray
Aug 19 02:01:24 <Tibfib> funkatron: me too
Aug 19 02:01:24 <NuttyBunny_TP> argg
Aug 19 02:01:25 <funkatron> oh I did that joke already
Aug 19 02:01:28 <rwhitby> hey funkatron
Aug 19 02:01:34 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny_TP: I'll probably buy the sea ray
Aug 19 02:01:37 <funkatron> rwhitby: this is how it's supposed to be
Aug 19 02:01:41 <funkatron> like the Atari ST
Aug 19 02:01:44 <funkatron> or BeOS
Aug 19 02:01:46 * rrix did just buy a touchpad though :\
Aug 19 02:01:50 <funkatron> IN THE STREETS
Aug 19 02:01:50 <pakl> Tibfib: put your TouchPad money towards a Mac Mini :P
Aug 19 02:01:53 <Tibfib> rrix: me too.
Aug 19 02:01:56 <fxspec06> funkatron: sega dreamcast
Aug 19 02:01:59 <rrix> funkatron: Didn't palm buy beo-- oh wait
Aug 19 02:02:05 <funkatron> hellz yes, I have a dreamcast
Aug 19 02:02:09 <funkatron> and an amiga
Aug 19 02:02:15 <Tibfib> pakl: eh, I want my touchpad though
Aug 19 02:02:21 <Tibfib> got it cheaper than a mac mini too
Aug 19 02:02:23 <rwhitby> Matt's understandably not taking it well: https://twitter.com/#!/mattsmcnulty/statuses/104366090871771137
Aug 19 02:02:24 <javispedro> rrix: nah, that was PalmSource ;)
Aug 19 02:02:26 <funkatron> haha yes, much cheaper
Aug 19 02:02:32 <rrix> Oh right
Aug 19 02:02:37 <rrix> Silly palm source
Aug 19 02:02:38 <Tibfib> rwhitby: yeah
Aug 19 02:02:48 <rrix> talk about mismanagement
Aug 19 02:03:09 <Tibfib> I hope the palm guys get to keep their jobs
Aug 19 02:03:15 <Tibfib> or get good jobs from other places
Aug 19 02:03:18 <Tibfib> :(
Aug 19 02:03:24 <rwhitby> funkatron: just got word that the film crew that was planned to come to australia to do a mobile expressionist feature on me has been cancelled.
Aug 19 02:03:44 <rwhitby> it was meant to be next weekend.
Aug 19 02:03:46 <Tibfib> rwhitby: wait really?
Aug 19 02:03:55 <rrix> Ugh.
Aug 19 02:04:08 <rwhitby> still waiting for word on the Sydney event on the 7th.
Aug 19 02:04:21 <rwhitby> was hoping to score a Pre 3 at that event
Aug 19 02:04:29 <akanster> well damn.. I added metrix to my app and never looked at the stats ;)
Aug 19 02:04:35 <akanster> 4 months ago
Aug 19 02:04:37 <LarrySteeze> I'm mostly frustrated because even if HP does decide to license out webos, it's going to be so long before a device is released with it that webos will lose whatever traction it did have. Similarly, I do see incentive for companies like HTC to grab it based on google's new acquisition
Aug 19 02:04:41 <Tibfib> nomnomnom :'(
Aug 19 02:05:19 <rwhitby> in other news, my Pre 3 ordered from HP UK is somewhere in a DHL sorting facility in Germany
Aug 19 02:05:37 <LarrySteeze> hey, at least you'll get one
Aug 19 02:05:47 <haeffb> only positive scenario is if HP licensed to HTC or someone months ago and new devices are ready to ship.
Aug 19 02:05:51 <rwhitby> Tibfib: did you hear how the PreCentral guys loved the name ? ;)
Aug 19 02:06:01 <Tibfib> rwhitby: I did, I did
Aug 19 02:06:02 <Tibfib> ;)
Aug 19 02:06:08 <Tibfib> there was a reason I didn't reject it you know
Aug 19 02:06:10 <fxspec06> rwhitby: that's awful, i'm sorry to hear the event has been cancelled.
Aug 19 02:06:24 <Tibfib> you come up with the gold, I make sure it IS real gold
Aug 19 02:06:24 <haeffb> rwhitby: is the UK Pre3 usable in US?
Aug 19 02:06:24 <LarrySteeze> haeffb: sadly, I don't see that happening
Aug 19 02:06:32 <rrix> haeffb: they would have announced that today if that was the case.
Aug 19 02:06:40 <rwhitby> haeffb: GSM yes, 3G prob not.
Aug 19 02:06:55 <LarrySteeze> I think it depends on the carrier
Aug 19 02:07:14 <haeffb> isn't there like only one carrier now?
Aug 19 02:07:19 <rrix> Well, three will soon only be one US gsm carrier, shouldn't be a hard choice *ducks*
Aug 19 02:07:21 <LarrySteeze> t-mo 3g bands are usually compatible
Aug 19 02:07:38 <LarrySteeze> well, at least for the next couple year
Aug 19 02:07:38 <LarrySteeze> s
Aug 19 02:08:16 <LarrySteeze> it will take time for the ATT merger to finalize, then even longer to actually merge the networks. they won't be able to do it overnight, and just because they'd be alienating an entire carrier's worth of customers
Aug 19 02:08:30 <funkatron> rwhitby: that stinks. alas.
Aug 19 02:08:46 <Tibfib> LIFE STINKS. ALAS>
Aug 19 02:08:51 <LarrySteeze> verizon/alltel still isn't completely done
Aug 19 02:09:07 <LarrySteeze> and that was 3 or so years ago
Aug 19 02:09:23 <LarrySteeze> let alone the size of t-mobile vs alltel
Aug 19 02:16:18 <Tibfib> well I think I'm done with NomNomNom
Aug 19 02:17:07 <NuttyBunny_TP> offline support?
Aug 19 02:17:14 <Shadyman1> oh mann did I get trolled at work today
Aug 19 02:17:19 <Shadyman1> wearing a webos shirt :(
Aug 19 02:17:24 <funkatron> ouch
Aug 19 02:17:41 <Shadyman1> trolled by customers, even
Aug 19 02:17:44 <Tibfib> ouch
Aug 19 02:17:46 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny_TP: nah
Aug 19 02:17:47 <fxspec06> Tibfib: sorry dude.
Aug 19 02:18:01 <kevets> wow interesting, phnx app devs released their source code and are going to make phnx free
Aug 19 02:18:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: done?
Aug 19 02:18:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-(
Aug 19 02:18:19 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny_TP: if I have hope of continued purchases, I'll add it
Aug 19 02:18:23 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: done working on it
Aug 19 02:18:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-(
Aug 19 02:18:38 <kevets> picked a great day to finish it Tibfib!
Aug 19 02:18:42 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 19 02:18:47 <NuttyBunny_TP> I paid for nomnomnom, I demand updates ;-)
Aug 19 02:19:02 <Tibfib> I thought about allowing people to email me their receipts and refunding them
Aug 19 02:19:06 <Tibfib> and pulling the app
Aug 19 02:19:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I don't even want to go near PreCentral right now
Aug 19 02:19:11 <rwhitby> Tibfib: you got promo codes?
Aug 19 02:19:13 <Tibfib> but, I'll keep it in for now
Aug 19 02:19:19 <Tibfib> rwhitby: yeah, why?
Aug 19 02:19:34 <rwhitby> Tibfib: send one my way?
Aug 19 02:19:38 <Tibfib> sure
Aug 19 02:19:41 <Tibfib> why? ;)
Aug 19 02:19:47 <Tibfib> US ?
Aug 19 02:19:50 <rwhitby> US
Aug 19 02:20:13 <Tibfib> look at rwhitby boss me around, and me do exactly what he says
Aug 19 02:20:22 <rwhitby> Tibfib: why? cause it's a kick-ass RSS reader
Aug 19 02:20:25 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 19 02:20:35 <Tibfib> ay, that it is
Aug 19 02:20:47 <rwhitby> pity about the name though
Aug 19 02:20:49 <Tibfib> I guess you definitely earned one for naming it
Aug 19 02:21:15 <Tibfib> regardless of all the webos work you've done
Aug 19 02:21:28 <kevets> http://twitter.com/#!/phnxapp/status/104338557119897602
Aug 19 02:21:55 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?promocode=THIS-IS-NOT-IT-3634f
Aug 19 02:22:34 <Shadyman1> Eh, WebOS lives on
Aug 19 02:22:46 <Shadyman1> HP just doesn't want to stick around in the tablet hardware business
Aug 19 02:23:06 <NuttyBunny_TP> bbl, gonna shake the sadness away
Aug 19 02:23:15 <Shadyman1> With alcohol?
Aug 19 02:23:47 <bradmeister1_> I'm too sad to drink
Aug 19 02:23:52 <Larry> wow
Aug 19 02:24:26 <Shadyman1> Dear HP: http://emotibot.net/pix/490.jpg
Aug 19 02:24:30 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 19 02:24:31 <fxspec06> https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23webos
Aug 19 02:25:23 <rrix> I remember when unwiredben wrote about this for apr1 one year https://twitter.com/#!/agentdero/status/104341787035971584 :P
Aug 19 02:25:27 <funkatron> http://gim.ie/oZG
Aug 19 02:25:47 <Shadyman1> haha
Aug 19 02:25:52 <Tibfib> funkatron: I try and use you gotta be kitten me as much as possible
Aug 19 02:26:41 <funkatron> YES
Aug 19 02:27:04 <Tibfib> I almost make it too obvious, to the point where it isn't funny
Aug 19 02:27:15 <Tibfib> "you gotta be KITTTTTTTEEEENNNNNN me"
Aug 19 02:27:25 <Tibfib> it doesn't work as well in actual conversation
Aug 19 02:27:33 <bradmeister1_> I think a downfall Hitler video for webos might cheer me up...is anyone making one yet?
Aug 19 02:27:47 <kevets> oh how I love those
Aug 19 02:27:49 <Shadyman1> Heh. "TouchPad Demo Day Focus" document, I just got now for this weekend
Aug 19 02:27:52 <Shadyman1> Sigh.
Aug 19 02:28:06 <summatusmentis> you guys, I'm so bummed right now
Aug 19 02:28:49 <kevets> lol poor timing http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/features/software/3297012/webos-guide-why-the-hp-touchpad-may-be-the-tablet-for-you/
Aug 19 02:28:50 * rwhitby tweets https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/104378469919629313 :)
Aug 19 02:29:02 <kevets> taken from dvorak's twitter
Aug 19 02:29:31 <Tibfib> rwhitby: war profiteer
Aug 19 02:29:37 <Shadyman1> ^^
Aug 19 02:29:53 <Tibfib> funkatron: you should enjoy the next nomnomnom update
Aug 19 02:29:58 <Tibfib> gives you your stupid vertical list
Aug 19 02:29:58 <Shadyman1> Give it a month or so, we'll see WebOS on HTC or whatnot
Aug 19 02:30:04 <Tibfib> a month?
Aug 19 02:30:08 <Tibfib> :comeon:
Aug 19 02:30:14 <Shadyman1> (random-generic-timeframe)
Aug 19 02:30:23 <Shadyman1> It's not like HTC isn't rolling in phones
Aug 19 02:30:26 <funkatron> Tibfib: nice.
Aug 19 02:30:41 <Tibfib> IT BETTER BE NICE
Aug 19 02:30:51 <fxspec06> dude, a month
Aug 19 02:31:02 <Tibfib> give or take 12
Aug 19 02:31:05 <rrix> Shadyman1: I doubt it
Aug 19 02:31:09 <fxspec06> unless they've been making them since august last year
Aug 19 02:31:18 <fxspec06> then, no
Aug 19 02:31:38 <Shadyman1> So.. Where's my Pre3, dammit
Aug 19 02:31:51 <rwhitby> mine is in a DHL sorting facility in Germany
Aug 19 02:31:52 <LarrySteeze> well, there was a webos port for the evo 4g at one point
Aug 19 02:31:59 <Tibfib> I never got to make "rimshaht" :'(
Aug 19 02:32:03 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: I'll spend some of HPs money on PHD
Aug 19 02:32:37 <LarrySteeze> but alas, i have a long day tomorrow
Aug 19 02:32:40 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: do it now
Aug 19 02:32:41 <fxspec06> i would make it, but my webos development has been postponed
Aug 19 02:32:42 <summatusmentis> RIGHT NOW
Aug 19 02:32:45 <LarrySteeze> I should hit the sack
Aug 19 02:32:52 <Tibfib> nah
Aug 19 02:32:57 <Tibfib> I doubt dan cares enough
Aug 19 02:33:00 <LarrySteeze> have a good night y'all
Aug 19 02:33:04 <Tibfib> the images are teh actually important part
Aug 19 02:33:05 <fxspec06> later larry
Aug 19 02:33:08 <Tibfib> and most time consuming part
Aug 19 02:33:12 <fxspec06> yep
Aug 19 02:33:14 <Tibfib> bye larry
Aug 19 02:33:22 <summatusmentis> the one thing that might redeem HP in my mind is if they magically got the Pre3 on Sprint
Aug 19 02:33:29 <CTLAdvance|2> What a day
Aug 19 02:33:54 <Tibfib> a wonderful, terrible, awful, scary, hurtful, depressing day.
Aug 19 02:33:54 <LarrySteeze|Dump> err...it was supposed to say LarrySteeze|DumpedByHP...but I guess that is just as humorous
Aug 19 02:33:54 <funkatron> yes, and maybe if they give out a free orgasm on demand machine, too
Aug 19 02:33:56 <fxspec06> summatusmentis: it still needs to come to u.s. for that to happen. and i don't see that happening.
Aug 19 02:34:06 <Tibfib> LarrySteeze|Dump: huzzah
Aug 19 02:34:08 <fxspec06> lmfao
Aug 19 02:34:17 <LarrySteeze|Dump> forgot about character limits
Aug 19 02:34:26 <CTLAdvance|2> lysol
Aug 19 02:34:30 <fxspec06> larreysteeze is taking a dump
Aug 19 02:34:35 <CTLAdvance|2> lol
Aug 19 02:34:38 <Tibfib> yeah I tried to change my name to TIIIIIIIIIIIBBBBBFFFFFIIIIBBBB once, didn't work
Aug 19 02:34:57 <LarrySteeze|Away> actually
Aug 19 02:35:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: how was it a wonderful day?
Aug 19 02:35:07 <CTLAdvance|2> So the q now, is there going to be any life left in webos by way of license, printer, toaster or toilet
Aug 19 02:35:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 19 02:35:13 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: before like 10 am
Aug 19 02:35:15 <Tibfib> it was great
Aug 19 02:35:18 <CTLAdvance|2> And should we then send back touchpads
Aug 19 02:35:19 <Tibfib> went out to breakfast with some friends
Aug 19 02:35:36 <Tibfib> had a huge pancake
Aug 19 02:35:38 <Tibfib> it was delicious
Aug 19 02:35:41 <fxspec06> i love pancakes
Aug 19 02:35:42 <CTLAdvance|2> awesome
Aug 19 02:35:48 <Tibfib> had sparkling conversation
Aug 19 02:35:58 <CTLAdvance|2> then around 12PM things started looking dim
Aug 19 02:36:05 <CTLAdvance|2> then around 3PM shit hit the fan
Aug 19 02:36:10 <akanster> put license in README?
Aug 19 02:36:13 <fxspec06> it was right before 3pm
Aug 19 02:36:16 <CTLAdvance|2> then around 5PM everything went in the crapper
Aug 19 02:36:17 <fxspec06> like 2:58pm
Aug 19 02:36:24 <akanster> where does that stuff typically go?
Aug 19 02:36:26 <CTLAdvance|2> close enough
Aug 19 02:36:35 <CTLAdvance|2> shit officially hit the fan from Larry's dump at 3
Aug 19 02:36:47 <rwhitby> akanster: usually in a LICENSE file
Aug 19 02:36:51 <fxspec06> from like 2:58pm - 5pm was webos limbo, and tears & jeers hour
Aug 19 02:36:52 <akanster> ah
Aug 19 02:36:58 <CTLAdvance|2> we informed Chuqie at 3:12PM
Aug 19 02:37:01 * akanster is open sourcing his apps
Aug 19 02:37:07 <Shadyman1> ^
Aug 19 02:37:13 <fxspec06> and 5pm ---> on has been webos zombie time
Aug 19 02:37:15 <CTLAdvance|2> at 3:30 he was like hu wutz
Aug 19 02:37:20 <Tibfib> akanster: shoulda done that before
Aug 19 02:37:24 <CTLAdvance|2> oh shit I have random meetings, but this is good for webOS
Aug 19 02:37:28 <akanster> meh, I know
Aug 19 02:37:29 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 19 02:37:31 <CTLAdvance|2> at 5:30 half of dev rel was fired
Aug 19 02:37:37 <rwhitby> akanster: nice work
Aug 19 02:37:41 <fxspec06> not even funny..
Aug 19 02:37:44 <akanster> Tibfib: especially since I hadnt touched a few in months
Aug 19 02:38:03 <rwhitby> akanster: cc @webosinternals so I can RT your announcements
Aug 19 02:38:05 <Shadyman1> akanster: Normally I'd say "giggity" here, but I'm too depressed.
Aug 19 02:38:06 <CTLAdvance|2> ok maybe not
Aug 19 02:38:26 <CTLAdvance|2> but per HP they said they were going to  reduce the work force
Aug 19 02:38:37 <Shadyman1> Dear HP: Open-source Touchpad kernel plz?
Aug 19 02:38:37 <CTLAdvance|2> this has the smell of Duke Nukem... 13 years later
Aug 19 02:38:40 <CTLAdvance|2> Pre4
Aug 19 02:38:41 <akanster> rwhitby: the first - https://github.com/akanster/Hacker-News-Reader-for-webOS/  . I'll tweet in a bit.  New to github, cleaning up
Aug 19 02:38:56 <fxspec06> omg pre 4.. coming soon: 2021
Aug 19 02:39:01 <Tibfib> YES!
Aug 19 02:39:01 <fxspec06> perfect phone
Aug 19 02:39:07 <CTLAdvance|2> This phone will be EPIC
Aug 19 02:39:16 <fxspec06> omgomgomg i can't wait
Aug 19 02:39:19 <CTLAdvance|2> octocores on Arm16
Aug 19 02:39:24 <fxspec06> THE PHONE YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
Aug 19 02:39:30 <twbbas_> 1 yr of battery life
Aug 19 02:39:37 <CTLAdvance|2> WHAT< DID YOU THINK I WAS GONE FOREVER
Aug 19 02:39:42 <rrix> It's got balls of steel, too
Aug 19 02:39:52 <CTLAdvance|2> IVE GOT BUTTONS OF STEEL BITCH
Aug 19 02:39:58 <twbbas_> it has both a portrait and landscape physical keyboard
Aug 19 02:40:00 <CTLAdvance|2> WHY AM I TYPING IN CAPS
Aug 19 02:40:01 <twbbas_> sliders
Aug 19 02:40:06 <Tibfib> soo when's that sea ray coming out
Aug 19 02:40:09 <twbbas_> but still thinner than the iphone
Aug 19 02:40:12 <fxspec06> someone should make a webos movie
Aug 19 02:40:20 <twbbas_> Tibfib: never
Aug 19 02:40:27 <Tibfib> ARGGHH
Aug 19 02:40:27 <CTLAdvance|2> its the I JUST DID YOUR MOM LAST NIGHT< DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT phone
Aug 19 02:40:38 <twbbas_> fxspec06: Isn't it just like all of those boy meets girl movies?
Aug 19 02:40:38 <rrix> fxspec06: "I got fucked, repeatedly: The webOS Story"
Aug 19 02:40:44 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 19 02:40:48 <CTLAdvance|2> With enyo 1.5
Aug 19 02:40:49 <twbbas_> HP buys Palm. HP spend too much money on Palm. HP breaks up with Palm.
Aug 19 02:40:57 <twbbas_> boy meets girl
Aug 19 02:41:02 <fxspec06> or how about a webos video game, where you attempt to sell the phone to people but nobody wants to buy it
Aug 19 02:41:06 <CTLAdvance|2> boy does girl
Aug 19 02:41:10 <CTLAdvance|2> boy leaves girl
Aug 19 02:41:15 <twbbas_> :\
Aug 19 02:41:22 <Shadyman1> It'd be a jerk move to apply for a dev-program touchpad/phone now, huh?
Aug 19 02:41:25 <CTLAdvance|2> boy wasted to much time palming themselves in the stall
Aug 19 02:41:33 <Tibfib> you know, I am kind of excited about WP7
Aug 19 02:41:43 <Tibfib> pretty attractive
Aug 19 02:41:44 <twbbas_> someone make a tycoon game for webOS
Aug 19 02:41:44 <fxspec06> Shadyman1: do it. maybe they will announce that they don't want the devices back
Aug 19 02:41:50 <CTLAdvance|2> WP7 Mango has cards just like webOS
Aug 19 02:41:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I want an HTC Trophy if webOS doesn't get licensed
Aug 19 02:42:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> WAIT, fxspec06, NOW I GET TO BE A BITTER ASSHOLE ON SOME OTHER OS' FORUM!
Aug 19 02:42:16 <Shadyman1> Though the phones are US only.
Aug 19 02:42:20 <CTLAdvance|2> I would like to try the N9 with WP7
Aug 19 02:42:26 <CTLAdvance|2> though I will prob have the i5
Aug 19 02:42:38 <PuffTheMagic> fxspec06, hey u trying to steal my idea
Aug 19 02:42:38 <Tibfib> what's the current best WP7 phone out there?
Aug 19 02:42:41 <Tibfib> HTC trophy?
Aug 19 02:42:49 <PuffTheMagic> i was talking about making a HP game last night
Aug 19 02:42:53 <fxspec06> psh that was my idea
Aug 19 02:42:58 <fxspec06> o lol
Aug 19 02:43:05 <CTLAdvance|2> Samsung
Aug 19 02:43:34 <CTLAdvance|2> Tibfib, I would wait as long as possible till mango phones launch
Aug 19 02:43:36 <fxspec06> i would like to dev for ios more than any else. build on js, full webkit, tons of support, no cocky whiny xda...
Aug 19 02:43:46 <Tibfib> CTLAdvance|2: that is the current plan
Aug 19 02:43:47 <Tibfib> just curious
Aug 19 02:43:50 <CTLAdvance|2> phonegap fxspec06
Aug 19 02:43:54 <CTLAdvance|2> hit all of them
Aug 19 02:43:55 <fxspec06> yeah
Aug 19 02:43:57 <fxspec06> yeah
Aug 19 02:44:00 <CTLAdvance|2> 7 os's er.... 6 now
Aug 19 02:44:04 <fxspec06> that's looking very good
Aug 19 02:44:10 <fxspec06> no 6.5 os's
Aug 19 02:44:30 <CTLAdvance|2> WP7 support is supposed to launch with or around mango
Aug 19 02:44:49 <dto> hello everyone.
Aug 19 02:45:22 <CTLAdvance|2> tibfib - did you have a q
Aug 19 02:45:39 <CTLAdvance|2> I also just got phonegap working fine on 3.0 to.... ARG!
Aug 19 02:46:01 <Tibfib> CTLAdvance|2: nope
Aug 19 02:46:03 <CTLAdvance|2> Well time to focus on Android till I buy another mac
Aug 19 02:46:10 <summatusmentis> wait, half of devrel was fired?
Aug 19 02:46:14 <CTLAdvance|2> no
Aug 19 02:46:16 <Tibfib> CTLAdvance|2: phonegap support for WP7 by mango release?
Aug 19 02:46:16 <CTLAdvance|2> I was joking
Aug 19 02:46:20 <summatusmentis> oh
Aug 19 02:46:25 <CTLAdvance|2> But they did say there would be staff reductions
Aug 19 02:46:28 <summatusmentis> that's semi-reassuring
Aug 19 02:46:34 <summatusmentis> I do remember seeing that
Aug 19 02:47:36 <CTLAdvance|2> Thats what I have heard
Aug 19 02:47:41 <CTLAdvance|2> its also listed in a few places now
Aug 19 02:47:51 <CTLAdvance|2> I am not sure if build is working or not
Aug 19 02:47:55 <Tibfib> well dang
Aug 19 02:48:01 <CTLAdvance|2> but I havent seen an sdk yet
Aug 19 02:48:01 <Tibfib> what app do I make for WP7?
Aug 19 02:48:09 <Tibfib> I guess I'm not really going to do any app development for a while
Aug 19 02:48:13 <summatusmentis> you're really going WP7?
Aug 19 02:48:13 <CTLAdvance|2> I would start porting WebOS apps
Aug 19 02:48:14 <Tibfib> all good, got other crap to do
Aug 19 02:48:16 <CTLAdvance|2> then make new ones
Aug 19 02:48:34 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: until we get info/new devices on webOS
Aug 19 02:48:49 <CTLAdvance|2> Mango is slick
Aug 19 02:49:02 <CTLAdvance|2> I also like the looks of IOS 5
Aug 19 02:49:14 <CTLAdvance|2> I hope they launch a bigger screened iphone
Aug 19 02:49:15 <summatusmentis> I'm sorta leaning iOS5
Aug 19 02:49:22 <summatusmentis> maybe android
Aug 19 02:49:27 <CTLAdvance|2> So I can upgrade my I4
Aug 19 02:49:33 <summatusmentis> sorta depends on whether or not iOS5 comes to sprint
Aug 19 02:49:39 <dto> everyone: may i ask a question about the HP news of canceling the touchpad? i'm interested in webos because of 1. being a historical palm fan and 2. the activity card stuff looking really great, and 3. my dad works at HP so maybe i could have got a discount.
Aug 19 02:49:48 <CTLAdvance|2> Android has failed on multitasking as far as I can tell
Aug 19 02:49:50 <dto> but if its a sore topic i will not ask :)
Aug 19 02:49:53 <CTLAdvance|2> Mango destroys it
Aug 19 02:49:58 <CTLAdvance|2> so does IOS
Aug 19 02:50:06 <CTLAdvance|2> but that will change
Aug 19 02:50:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> at this point you couldn't pay me to buy an Android device
Aug 19 02:50:08 <CTLAdvance|2> I think
Aug 19 02:50:17 <CTLAdvance|2> I have the 10.1
Aug 19 02:50:21 <CTLAdvance|2> and I have to say
Aug 19 02:50:25 <CTLAdvance|2> it is slick after restart
Aug 19 02:50:34 <summatusmentis> dto: go ahead and ask, we may not have the answer
Aug 19 02:50:35 <CTLAdvance|2> then android tries to manage its own memory....
Aug 19 02:50:35 <CTLAdvance|2> ...
Aug 19 02:50:37 <CTLAdvance|2> fail
Aug 19 02:50:39 <dto> summatusmentis: ok. here goes.
Aug 19 02:51:03 <summatusmentis> my research group is gonna be using android, maybe it makes sense for me to get something
Aug 19 02:51:05 <dto> btw my dad works in completely unrelated stuff (enterprise storage software) so he can't offer anything interesting about it
Aug 19 02:51:10 <dto> :)
Aug 19 02:51:24 <summatusmentis> I'm gonna try and tide over until there are more announcements
Aug 19 02:51:26 <summatusmentis> or rather, if
Aug 19 02:52:08 <CTLAdvance|2> yeah
Aug 19 02:52:13 <PuffTheMagic> is there a damn lol app for webos?
Aug 19 02:52:22 <CTLAdvance|2> I was going to make the touchpad my daily device too...
Aug 19 02:52:28 <CTLAdvance|2> now I think its going back
Aug 19 02:52:32 <summatusmentis> I still am
Aug 19 02:52:37 <summatusmentis> I like my TP a lot
Aug 19 02:52:39 <dto> well i guess my question is, what will happen to webos?
Aug 19 02:52:44 <PuffTheMagic> touchpad is still most open device to hack on
Aug 19 02:52:49 <PuffTheMagic> use it for what ever you want
Aug 19 02:52:50 <CTLAdvance|2> Thats true
Aug 19 02:52:51 <PuffTheMagic> fuck hp
Aug 19 02:53:04 <dto> because it looked 1. awesome to use and 2. ive been experimenting with running Lisp stuff on tablets
Aug 19 02:53:04 <PuffTheMagic> i was happy when the pre came out
Aug 19 02:53:05 <CTLAdvance|2> but I was looking from a user standpoint... where I couldnt care less about hacking on it
Aug 19 02:53:13 <dto> brb
Aug 19 02:53:14 <PuffTheMagic> and i finally had linux in my hand
Aug 19 02:53:15 <Abyssul-TP> I got a new frisbee!
Aug 19 02:53:16 <summatusmentis> dto: no one really knows. HP still owns it, there's talk of licensing, or spinning off the hardware unit
Aug 19 02:53:34 <CTLAdvance|2> they should sell it to htc or samsung
Aug 19 02:53:39 <CTLAdvance|2> they would probably pay for it
Aug 19 02:53:45 <CTLAdvance|2> recoup som investment
Aug 19 02:53:46 <Abyssul-TP> Hmmmm samsung
Aug 19 02:53:52 <CTLAdvance|2> more then they will ever make from it
Aug 19 02:53:59 <CTLAdvance|2> WebOS with Touchwiz
Aug 19 02:54:12 <CTLAdvance|2> TouchPadWoz
Aug 19 02:54:18 <summatusmentis> they lose all patents if they sell it
Aug 19 02:54:32 <flare576> summatusmentis, don't think HP cares anymore
Aug 19 02:55:02 <Tibfib> what would they need the patents for?
Aug 19 02:55:13 <CTLAdvance|2> I think they hoped it would have enterprise traction, but it didnt
Aug 19 02:55:23 <summatusmentis> well, they gave it all of 49 days
Aug 19 02:55:30 <summatusmentis> or something ridiculous
Aug 19 02:55:33 <flare576> CTLAdvance|2, not near enough time
Aug 19 02:55:40 <CTLAdvance|2> well for enterprise it is missing alot of encryption support
Aug 19 02:55:54 <summatusmentis> but so is everything else
Aug 19 02:55:55 <CTLAdvance|2> so as it stood, device was dead for large companies
Aug 19 02:55:58 <flare576> 6 months to overtake BB?  with no lead in? and no killer device?
Aug 19 02:56:02 <CTLAdvance|2> IOS meets the criteria
Aug 19 02:56:04 <CTLAdvance|2> sadly
Aug 19 02:56:06 <CTLAdvance|2> and Blackberry
Aug 19 02:56:13 <Shadyman1> flare576: a rock could overtake blackberry
Aug 19 02:56:16 <CTLAdvance|2> and orig winmo
Aug 19 02:56:17 <CTLAdvance|2> 6.5
Aug 19 02:56:18 <summatusmentis> well, but blackberry always has
Aug 19 02:56:31 <Tibfib> twbbas_, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis: preware feed updated
Aug 19 02:56:36 <CTLAdvance|2> yes it has
Aug 19 02:56:38 <summatusmentis> danke
Aug 19 02:56:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I haven't even added the feed yet; will do tomorrow
Aug 19 02:56:57 <dto> summatusmentis: it's frustrating the way the market works because of Apple. everyone expects every product launch to be a Big Bang like when apple introduces something. nobody at best buy or hp apparently imagines that a products sales can pick up a little while into things. like the frigging playstation 3!!!
Aug 19 02:57:11 <summatusmentis> dto: no one else is willing to innovate
Aug 19 02:57:11 <Shadyman1> ^^^
Aug 19 02:57:21 <summatusmentis> palm was, but didn't have the cash
Aug 19 02:57:26 <Shadyman1> er, ^^ to dto
Aug 19 02:57:29 <summatusmentis> right
Aug 19 02:57:53 <dto> hi Shadyman1
Aug 19 02:58:05 <Shadyman1> If only Apple wasn't so... Closed.
Aug 19 02:58:12 <dto> perhaps this event will generate big publicity for webos and people will look into it just to see what they might be missing.
Aug 19 02:58:23 <CTLAdvance|2> I think its to late now
Aug 19 02:58:23 <summatusmentis> I doubt it
Aug 19 02:58:25 <dto> ive been to best buy so many times the last month and never noticed the touchpad
Aug 19 02:58:28 <summatusmentis> the media is jumping all over it
Aug 19 02:58:28 <Tibfib> Oh yeah, I might do 1 more update to nomnomnom
Aug 19 02:58:30 <CTLAdvance|2> Even if they did
Aug 19 02:58:31 <Tibfib> get the webview going
Aug 19 02:58:33 <CTLAdvance|2> HP has wrote it off
Aug 19 02:58:44 <dto> probably because at first glance it looks like all the other 293829 tablety things in that part of bestbuy
Aug 19 02:58:56 <summatusmentis> we're pretty much sitting ducks until wbeOS gets licensed
Aug 19 02:58:58 <CTLAdvance|2> I dont think they expected the touchpad to work out like their windows 7 slate
Aug 19 02:58:58 <dto> how do i pronounce webos?
Aug 19 02:59:07 <flare576> I'm still hoping they come out with an announcement with a hardware partner soon.
Aug 19 02:59:09 <CTLAdvance|2> (which was enterprise friendly)
Aug 19 02:59:10 <summatusmentis> I say web-Oh-Ess
Aug 19 02:59:16 <Shadyman1> web Oh Ess
Aug 19 02:59:16 <flare576> Web O S
Aug 19 02:59:25 <summatusmentis> flare576: they said expected timeframe was 12-18 months
Aug 19 02:59:29 <summatusmentis> that's a long-ass time
Aug 19 02:59:31 <flare576> Web Operating System.
Aug 19 02:59:31 <dto> oh, are people here familiar with the TouchSmart TM2? i adore mine and run linux on it
Aug 19 02:59:45 <Shadyman1> dto: It's pretty epic
Aug 19 02:59:50 <flare576> summatusmentis, that's.... disgusting.
Aug 19 02:59:52 <Shadyman1> dto: I sold a few of them
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