**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2011
Aug 22 03:02:24 <rwatkins-mbp> hm.  so if you have two emulators running, how do you palm-run one vs the other?  both are "-d tcp"
Aug 22 03:02:42 <rwatkins-mbp> can you also pass a port?
Aug 22 03:04:50 <DougReeder> ,me waves hello
Aug 22 03:05:20 <rwatkins-mbp> hey doug
Aug 22 03:05:43 * DougReeder .oO(Was it something I said?)
Aug 22 03:05:44 <rwatkins-mbp> if your running two emulators - can you target palm-run against one vs. the other?
Aug 22 03:06:07 <fxspec06> rwatkins: i think it's the last one to run
Aug 22 03:06:11 <fxspec06> has priority
Aug 22 03:06:14 <DougReeder> the other tools have a flag, so I assume so-
Aug 22 03:06:31 <DougReeder> -d
Aug 22 03:06:42 <TravisAntonio> Danny Phantom
Aug 22 03:06:45 <DougReeder> -l to list devices
Aug 22 03:06:45 <rwatkins-mbp> both are "-d tcp" but .. i want to pick which.
Aug 22 03:06:46 <TravisAntonio> (Random thing)
Aug 22 03:06:53 <rwatkins-mbp> [ryan@workmac tmp]$ palm-run --device-list
Aug 22 03:06:53 <rwatkins-mbp> "emulator" {a03610f68d474976c51caa9edbffa9919002408d} tcp 56697
Aug 22 03:06:54 <rwatkins-mbp> "emulator" {1335449191d71bd0f0a3cc61b00a2ad4f9ba285d} tcp 56441
Aug 22 03:07:09 <DougReeder> You cabb give the long tdentifier to -d
Aug 22 03:07:17 <rwatkins-mbp> ah, ok
Aug 22 03:07:51 <rwatkins-mbp> trying to maybe polish off a version w/ atleast some basic pre3 support, so runnign both emulators
Aug 22 03:08:57 <plov> is palm really strict about app quality?
Aug 22 03:09:05 <plov> like when you create an app/publish
Aug 22 03:09:09 <Tibfib> plov: I wish they were more
Aug 22 03:09:22 <DougReeder> Yeah.
Aug 22 03:09:41 <DougReeder> Um, yeah, I wish they were.
Aug 22 03:09:48 <plov> so somewhere between apple who has complete say what gets approved, and android who doens't care at all?
Aug 22 03:10:14 <DougReeder> If you don,
Aug 22 03:10:39 <DougReeder> If it doesn"
Aug 22 03:10:42 <plov> because at the moment i dont have an actual device to test on, i'm just going by the emulator
Aug 22 03:10:46 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Hardly Normal doing a fire sale on them.
Aug 22 03:10:56 <rwhitby> Hendikins: link?
Aug 22 03:10:58 <rwatkins-mbp> they have complete say, its not just a .. rigorous QA.
Aug 22 03:11:11 <DougReeder> If it doesn'nt grossly clash with the webOS UI, and doesn,t
Aug 22 03:11:16 <Hendikins> rwhitby: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/exec-tech/harvey-norman-sells-touchpad-at-100/story-e6frgazf-1226119630371
Aug 22 03:11:24 <dwc-> Hendikins: time to buy yours back?
Aug 22 03:11:35 <DougReeder> ...doesn't use forbident APIs, you're in
Aug 22 03:11:49 <dwc-> doesn't have the wrong linebreaks
Aug 22 03:11:57 <rwatkins-mbp> heh
Aug 22 03:11:58 <Hendikins> dwc-: I am! (Plus 8 others for a mix of spares, gifts and other people)
Aug 22 03:12:19 <dwc-> hmm, accessories at half off, not bad
Aug 22 03:12:27 <DougReeder> ,me smiles
Aug 22 03:12:28 <plov> how about a specific scenario, there's 10 news feed apps lets say, yours is the worse feature wise and last to get published, would you get denied?
Aug 22 03:12:34 <rwatkins-mbp> there are uiRevision: 2 apps where you can get to a scene w/o a backbutton in the TP catalog.
Aug 22 03:13:02 <rwatkins-mbp> plov: no, you'll get in.
Aug 22 03:13:33 <plov> you get complete control of your app? like you can pull your app any time?
Aug 22 03:14:15 <DougReeder> App pulls are manual, and take as long as getting a new version approved
Aug 22 03:14:45 <plov> wow really? so updates go through manual review? yikes
Aug 22 03:15:13 <Hendikins> rwhitby: I've got 3 people who want them so far, plus a gift for my mother, a spare, one for me, and 3 others that I'll pass on to people at cost.
Aug 22 03:15:15 <rwatkins-mbp> its likely more a matter of what they've managed to automate than a design choice to make pulling a manual thing.
Aug 22 03:15:48 <DougReeder> In normal times, updates get the once over.  I had two diferent updates pass in 1 business day,
Aug 22 03:16:36 <rwatkins-mbp> i had my initial submission go thru in less than 24 hrs, but that was in the heady days of getting apps in before TP Launch Day.
Aug 22 03:16:40 <fxspec06> hey Hendikins
Aug 22 03:16:58 <fxspec06> looks like you could have kept it after all: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/exec-tech/harvey-norman-sells-touchpad-at-100/story-e6frgazf-1226119630371
Aug 22 03:16:59 <plov> i got ya, last thing about app catalog since i'm new/can't see the catalog, all personal information like name,address,email,"company name" are hidden to users right? when i publish they see my username only?
Aug 22 03:17:10 <Tibfib> plov: correct
Aug 22 03:17:25 <Tibfib> so go forth and buy nomnomnom and review it!
Aug 22 03:17:37 <fxspec06> oh whoops i'm behind, looks like you were the one who gave that to rwhitby
Aug 22 03:17:40 <plov> lol i just mentioned i dont even have a device yet
Aug 22 03:17:41 <fxspec06> i apologize. -.-
Aug 22 03:17:47 <DougReeder> Currently the app scanner is broken, and apps with JAvaScript services get reject. The you email Lisa, and she gets them unrejected
Aug 22 03:19:14 <Tibfib> oh jeez
Aug 22 03:19:21 <Tibfib> I wish the dev portal worked properly
Aug 22 03:19:47 <DougReeder> Apps that run on both phones and tablets currently must be manually approved.
Aug 22 03:20:17 <Tibfib> smh
Aug 22 03:20:26 <plov> what? i thought apps needed to be able to handle both?
Aug 22 03:20:28 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: got a mockup back from dan
Aug 22 03:20:29 <Tibfib> ;)
Aug 22 03:20:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> YAY!
Aug 22 03:20:34 <Tibfib> s/;)/:)/
Aug 22 03:20:37 <Tibfib> looking good
Aug 22 03:20:47 <Tibfib> the ad is a bit big, have to done it down ;)
Aug 22 03:20:56 <Tibfib> but it'll be fancy and animated
Aug 22 03:21:23 <DougReeder> plov - apps can be limited to classes of devices, such as Pre,
Aug 22 03:21:48 <DougReeder> ...Pre/Pre+/Pre2
Aug 22 03:22:41 <Tibfib> okay time to submit nomnomnom
Aug 22 03:24:05 <ramitos> any non-USA dev got a 99$ Touchpad?
Aug 22 03:25:27 <plov> trying to find css documentation for enyo framework don't see any?
Aug 22 03:25:37 <Tibfib> css is css
Aug 22 03:25:39 <plov> just wanted to know what css properties are useless
Aug 22 03:25:48 <Tibfib> what do you mean?
Aug 22 03:26:03 <plov> ex: changing font
Aug 22 03:26:07 <plov> touchpad only has certain fonts
Aug 22 03:26:20 <pitpit24> hello
Aug 22 03:26:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: these guys don't deserve to be on the internet
Aug 22 03:26:54 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: no, they don't
Aug 22 03:27:27 <Guest27203> are they really getting rid of webos? :(
Aug 22 03:28:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, Guest27203, they're not
Aug 22 03:28:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HP is just ceasing to produce hardware
Aug 22 03:28:33 <fudge_> oh
Aug 22 03:29:14 <fudge_> pardon me if anyone agree's with hp for doing so, but i think they should proceed to develop devices using the WebOS operating system
Aug 22 03:29:18 <fudge_> it has so much to offer
Aug 22 03:29:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> agreed
Aug 22 03:30:40 <plov> box-shadow doesn't seem to do anything either?
Aug 22 03:30:51 <Tibfib> yeah, I don't think it does
Aug 22 03:31:42 <fudge_> so is there anything else fun to do with the 1st gen pre aside from loading webos 2.0 on it?
Aug 22 03:32:35 <twbbas> makes a good skipping stone
Aug 22 03:32:46 <fudge_> lol
Aug 22 03:33:00 <fudge_> i switched to a centro. my pre has problems catching phone calls in time :(
Aug 22 03:33:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> box shadow is not yet supported on webOS unfortunately
Aug 22 03:33:19 <Tibfib> fudge_: mine did too
Aug 22 03:33:22 <javispedro> even from the maemo/meego communities we think that it is rather sad that another non-perverted Linux manufacturer is leaving :(
Aug 22 03:34:01 <fudge_> Tibfib: ever found a fix?
Aug 22 03:34:23 <Tibfib> get less phonecalls
Aug 22 03:34:27 <fudge_> rofl
Aug 22 03:34:32 <Tibfib> only fix. pre- is super slow
Aug 22 03:34:40 <Tibfib> so dangit
Aug 22 03:34:43 <fudge_> im starting college now, i'll be getting more phone calls now
Aug 22 03:34:49 <Tibfib> can I submite a meta-update while a full update is in the queue?
Aug 22 03:34:53 <twbbas> college is all about texts
Aug 22 03:35:04 <twbbas> Tibfib: don't think so
Aug 22 03:35:09 <Tibfib> crud
Aug 22 03:35:23 <funkatron> http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/article/2011/08/rough_pc_14-5206151.jpg
Aug 22 03:35:48 <Tibfib> funkatron: ever get an answer to your backbone question?
Aug 22 03:35:56 <fudge_> i'll be willing to trade a couple pre- boards for a pre+ board
Aug 22 03:36:17 <funkatron> Tibfib: not yet. I think you could use jQueryMobile
Aug 22 03:36:26 <fudge_> pre was by far the best phone i've ever owned
Aug 22 03:36:30 <Tibfib> hmmmmm
Aug 22 03:36:51 <Tibfib> funkatron: looking for ui widgets, right?
Aug 22 03:36:52 <funkatron> it looks like they support tablet-esque layouts now too
Aug 22 03:36:54 <funkatron> right
Aug 22 03:38:07 <Tibfib> hmmm
Aug 22 03:38:11 <funkatron> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0b1/
Aug 22 03:38:15 <Tibfib> is jo phone focused atm?
Aug 22 03:38:49 <fxspec06> jquery is awesome
Aug 22 03:38:54 <fxspec06> i love jquery
Aug 22 03:39:06 <fxspec06> i think i said that in here once
Aug 22 03:39:07 <Tibfib> zepto > jquery
Aug 22 03:39:23 <Tibfib> funkatron: hmm, that looks doable
Aug 22 03:39:39 <fxspec06> what's zepto
Aug 22 03:39:47 <Tibfib> a minimalist version of jquery
Aug 22 03:39:51 <Tibfib> much smaller
Aug 22 03:40:21 <fxspec06> oh, jquery is huge. i'll have to google zepto
Aug 22 03:40:56 <fxspec06> that's a sick demo funkatron
Aug 22 03:41:19 <funkatron> jQueryMobile is pretty nice
Aug 22 03:41:29 <Tibfib> funkatron: come out good on touchpad?
Aug 22 03:41:43 <funkatron> if you're installing an application, I think the size of the library becomes much less of an issue
Aug 22 03:41:51 <funkatron> if your'e delivering over the web, fo sho
Aug 22 03:42:04 <funkatron> Tibfib: it's adequate
Aug 22 03:42:22 <Tibfib> hmm
Aug 22 03:42:28 <Tibfib> what about android and iOS?
Aug 22 03:42:32 <funkatron> better
Aug 22 03:42:36 <Tibfib> hmm
Aug 22 03:42:47 <Tibfib> I also just needed jquery for one simple thing
Aug 22 03:42:52 <Tibfib> was much easier to use zepto
Aug 22 03:43:02 <Tibfib> err, much lighter for my simple need
Aug 22 03:43:28 <funkatron> fo sho
Aug 22 03:43:48 <fxspec06> jquery looks easier to use than enyo.. am i wrong
Aug 22 03:44:14 <funkatron> they are accomplishing different things
Aug 22 03:44:18 <fxspec06> true
Aug 22 03:44:35 <funkatron> do you mean jQueryMobile looks easier?
Aug 22 03:44:44 <fxspec06> yeah
Aug 22 03:44:48 <fxspec06> that demo
Aug 22 03:45:23 <funkatron> I'd say it's easier to accomplish these simple examples, yes
Aug 22 03:45:27 <rwatkins-mbp> jQueryMobile seems easier to learn, but I dont think I like the "enhance html tags w/ code" model for more complicatd projects.
Aug 22 03:45:43 <funkatron> that too
Aug 22 03:46:03 <Tibfib> DANGIT DERKE
Aug 22 03:46:04 <fxspec06> enyo does make things easy to understand
Aug 22 03:46:05 <funkatron> I think you end up doing similar things for more complex work, and I'd say Enyo does a bit more to encourage better organization
Aug 22 03:46:13 <Tibfib> Y U NO LIKE NOMNOMNOM BEST?
Aug 22 03:46:13 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/new-touchpad-tips-apps-accessories
Aug 22 03:46:50 <funkatron> Testing on 3.0.2, the jQmobile demos for 1.0b2 work well
Aug 22 03:46:54 <Tibfib> nice
Aug 22 03:47:01 <fxspec06> nice!
Aug 22 03:47:06 <funkatron> only think is that I think the CSS anims are not accelerated, so they basically don't happen
Aug 22 03:47:17 <funkatron> it will look nicer on iOS/Android
Aug 22 03:47:17 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 22 03:47:34 <Tibfib> enyo animates based on what is accelerated
Aug 22 03:47:46 <funkatron> what.
Aug 22 03:47:54 <Tibfib> s/based on/using/
Aug 22 03:48:17 <Tibfib> translate3d is accelerated iirc
Aug 22 03:48:20 <Tibfib> so they use that one a lot
Aug 22 03:48:24 <Tibfib> instead of different ways
Aug 22 03:48:25 <funkatron> gotcha
Aug 22 03:49:27 <rwatkins-mbp> Tibfib: hey, atleast you were not setup against "Kindle"
Aug 22 03:49:30 * Tibfib just puts review notes for nomnomnom update as "OM NOM NOM NOM"
Aug 22 03:49:37 <Tibfib> rwatkins: haha fair point
Aug 22 03:49:56 <funkatron> what.
Aug 22 03:50:08 <Tibfib> funkatron: see precentral
Aug 22 03:50:10 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/new-touchpad-tips-apps-accessories
Aug 22 03:50:20 <Tibfib> WE LOST TO FACEBOOK
Aug 22 03:50:21 <Tibfib> DANGIT
Aug 22 03:50:43 <funkatron> "coming soon"
Aug 22 03:50:48 <funkatron> I see a lot of "coming soon"
Aug 22 03:50:53 <funkatron> "coming soon"
Aug 22 03:51:08 <rwatkins-mbp> much like in Pivot on launch day.
Aug 22 03:51:15 <Tibfib> funkatron: WE WIN!
Aug 22 03:51:16 <funkatron> rwatkins-mbp: were you in the "apps with words you read" category?
Aug 22 03:51:17 <Tibfib> WE WIN!
Aug 22 03:51:20 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 03:51:28 <fxspec06> actually Tibfib
Aug 22 03:51:33 <fxspec06> you lost to Tea Reader
Aug 22 03:51:35 <Tibfib> I seriously got second to tea reader
Aug 22 03:51:39 <Tibfib> fxspec06: I KNOW
Aug 22 03:51:42 <Tibfib> derek likes it better
Aug 22 03:51:44 <Tibfib> lame-o
Aug 22 03:51:44 <funkatron> fuckin tea reader
Aug 22 03:51:52 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 22 03:52:22 <funkatron> I'm going to murder Kessler!
Aug 22 03:52:29 <Tibfib> he probably likes a vertical list better than article cards
Aug 22 03:52:29 <funkatron> but actually
Aug 22 03:52:33 <rwatkins-mbp> I like how all the apps have pretty much a "(This is the name you really know)" after it.
Aug 22 03:52:33 <Tibfib> HE NEEDS TO TRY THE LATEST!
Aug 22 03:52:40 <fxspec06> at elast you were mentioned. MY GAME wasn't even mentioned
Aug 22 03:52:41 <funkatron> it always makes me sad when they say Spaz is just a Twittere client
Aug 22 03:52:45 <funkatron> -e
Aug 22 03:52:53 <funkatron> you got game
Aug 22 03:52:56 <Tibfib> Twittr clint?
Aug 22 03:53:06 <fxspec06> i got poker game
Aug 22 03:53:08 <funkatron> twtr
Aug 22 03:53:15 <fxspec06> probably the only poker game on the pad
Aug 22 03:53:31 <rwatkins-mbp> so you win the poker game category, not the game category.
Aug 22 03:53:39 <funkatron> Radiant HD (Light)  Supersonic HD (Sound)
Aug 22 03:54:04 <rwatkins-mbp> sad that "Camera" needs to be a 3rd party app.
Aug 22 03:54:40 <rwatkins-mbp> and good that there never really was a non-palm Email app.
Aug 22 03:55:41 <Tibfib> funkatron: Spaz (micro-blogging [twitter, identi.ca, status.net])
Aug 22 03:55:48 <funkatron> better
Aug 22 03:56:00 <funkatron> then list 3 applications that don't exist
Aug 22 03:56:13 <Tibfib> hahaha
Aug 22 03:56:14 <dwc-> rwatkins-mbp: maybe if there were documentation for the palm email service
Aug 22 03:56:26 <Tibfib> AND PUT A FLIPPING TEA READER APP BEFORE NOMNOMNOM?
Aug 22 03:56:27 <funkatron> "maybe if there were documentation"
Aug 22 03:56:28 <funkatron> fixed.
Aug 22 03:56:36 <PatrickC_TP> haeffb: ping
Aug 22 03:56:36 <Tibfib> ARE YOU RACIST AGAINST FOOD OR SOMETHING BRO?
Aug 22 03:56:40 <funkatron> yep
Aug 22 03:56:41 <dwc-> I wanted to make a fair number of changes to how the palm email client sends email, but I couldn't figure out a bunch of those things
Aug 22 03:56:44 <funkatron> food racist
Aug 22 03:57:02 <rwatkins-mbp> dwc-: true.
Aug 22 03:57:44 <Tibfib> chocolate > tea
Aug 22 03:59:12 <akanster> did someone say food?
Aug 22 03:59:14 <funkatron> that's very true
Aug 22 03:59:20 <akanster> http://foodgawker.com/
Aug 22 04:00:20 <funkatron> if I knew it was that kind party, I woulda put my dick in the mashed potatoes!
Aug 22 04:00:30 <akanster> red foxx!
Aug 22 04:00:35 <funkatron> :hfive:
Aug 22 04:01:27 <funkatron> actually I believe it was Mantan Moreland
Aug 22 04:01:35 <Tibfib> akanster: that is an awesome website
Aug 22 04:02:00 <PatrickC_TP> any good notes apps made for the tp?
Aug 22 04:02:08 <funkatron> "Gluten Free Lemon Fritters"
Aug 22 04:02:12 <funkatron> "notes"
Aug 22 04:02:21 <funkatron> I heard you can type on computers these days
Aug 22 04:02:56 <PatrickC_TP> funkatron: sometimes I want to write a memo kn my touchpad
Aug 22 04:02:56 <akanster> Tibfib: makes you want to lick your monitor, huh?
Aug 22 04:02:59 <rwatkins-mbp> TapNote
Aug 22 04:03:02 <PatrickC_TP> my*
Aug 22 04:03:10 <funkatron> I can't wait for Graphite to come out so I don't have to support all these stupid users
Aug 22 04:03:13 * PatrickC_TP looks it up
Aug 22 04:03:18 <Tibfib> funkatron: lol
Aug 22 04:03:29 <funkatron> PondNotes (sp?) seems good
Aug 22 04:03:37 <Tibfib> funkatron: using cotweet?
Aug 22 04:03:41 <akanster> gah, i think you're right funkatron.  Not redd fox
Aug 22 04:03:51 <funkatron> Tibfib: no because you stopped helping I gave up
Aug 22 04:03:53 <fudge_> everyone i know over on another irc wants to buy a touchpad, but no where has them for sale anymore :(
Aug 22 04:03:58 <Tibfib> :(
Aug 22 04:03:58 <Tibfib> sorry
Aug 22 04:04:05 <funkatron> another Internet Relay Chat?
Aug 22 04:04:07 <Tibfib> I'll do it
Aug 22 04:04:09 <fudge_> yea
Aug 22 04:04:16 <funkatron> it's like an alternate dimension
Aug 22 04:04:18 <EdLin> fudge_ ebay, at $200 and up.
Aug 22 04:04:23 <fudge_> lol
Aug 22 04:04:28 <uncola> I passed out the amazon $99 link like candy on my other channels and a few people bit
Aug 22 04:04:34 <akanster> irc on internet2
Aug 22 04:04:45 <rwatkins-mbp> ebay: today + 14days = $120
Aug 22 04:04:48 <dwc-> EdLin: don't pay more than retail
Aug 22 04:04:58 <rwatkins-mbp> ebay: today + 28days = $60
Aug 22 04:05:01 <funkatron> what rwatkins said
Aug 22 04:05:17 <funkatron> people need to not buy things.
Aug 22 04:05:18 <Bmyers> sold mine for 11,000 on ebay
Aug 22 04:05:25 <funkatron> actually maybe that was the problem
Aug 22 04:05:39 <rwatkins-mbp> such a fine line between clever and .. stupid.
Aug 22 04:05:41 <Tibfib> can you access apis to change device volume in 3.0?
Aug 22 04:05:58 <funkatron> if you're really stupid you can buy it here http://www.pcsuperstore.com/browse/Handhelds/999/HP/
Aug 22 04:06:00 <EdLin> Bmyers 11,000 what, Italian Lira?
Aug 22 04:06:05 <Tibfib> MXN
Aug 22 04:06:08 <funkatron> bitcoins bro
Aug 22 04:06:18 * funkatron fires up his GPU miner
Aug 22 04:06:20 <Shadyman> oshi--
Aug 22 04:06:28 <Shadyman> that'd be, like, eleventy billion dollars
Aug 22 04:06:35 <akanster> you can mine bitcoins?
Aug 22 04:06:47 <Shadyman> gold is old and busted
Aug 22 04:06:49 <Tibfib> what can't you mine for these days?
Aug 22 04:06:51 <Shadyman> bitcoins are the new hotness.
Aug 22 04:06:57 <Shadyman> Tibfib: pr0n? Oh wait.
Aug 22 04:07:03 <rwatkins-mbp> they ya go !  buy a dozen TPs to mine bitcoins.
Aug 22 04:07:10 <Shadyman> ^
Aug 22 04:07:18 <TravisAntonio> hey guys" this is the song god will play when the worlds end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCfiqY05BpA
Aug 22 04:07:30 <Tibfib> TravisAntonio: are you rickrolling us again?
Aug 22 04:07:31 <EdLin> rwatkins-mbp yeah, use those dozen adneros for something!
Aug 22 04:07:36 <akanster> rwatkins-mbp: and heat your home from all those TPs
Aug 22 04:07:39 <PatrickC_TP> rwatkins-mbp: tapnote is nice, but it only supports dropbox.. which I don't normally use.. thanks! it'll work for now :-)
Aug 22 04:07:41 <TravisAntonio> No
Aug 22 04:08:05 <EdLin> or whatever that mobile GPU is called
Aug 22 04:08:09 <funkatron> hey, at least he said thanks
Aug 22 04:08:09 <Tibfib> TravisAntonio: awww, that's too bad. Because I'll never click on one of your links ever again. hope it's not too good ;)
Aug 22 04:08:14 * EdLin never was up on the trademark of the day
Aug 22 04:08:23 <rwatkins-mbp> i wanna know when the accessories go on firesale, cuz the TPs make very fine photo frames.
Aug 22 04:08:26 <TravisAntonio> Hahahhaha
Aug 22 04:08:28 <TravisAntonio> Naaah
Aug 22 04:08:35 <TravisAntonio> Before it was a joke for Android fans
Aug 22 04:08:35 <Tibfib> rwatkins: +1
Aug 22 04:08:37 <Tibfib> touchstone
Aug 22 04:08:41 <TravisAntonio> But that's a cool song for the end of the world
Aug 22 04:08:43 <PatrickC_TP> rwatkins: haha
Aug 22 04:08:43 <TravisAntonio> For real.
Aug 22 04:08:51 <rwatkins-mbp> have one - a much nicer feature than I expected.
Aug 22 04:08:52 <Tibfib> what was I working on...
Aug 22 04:08:54 <Tibfib> hmmm
Aug 22 04:09:00 <crazy8> guys....im having trouble installing webos doctor 3.0.2
Aug 22 04:09:05 <funkatron> rwatkins-mbp: yes, maybe I can go back in time and not pay $150 for the accessories
Aug 22 04:09:13 <crazy8> im running lion osx, and it wont let me install the driver
Aug 22 04:09:14 <funkatron> I'm sorry crazy8
Aug 22 04:09:24 <akanster> lol funkatron, still pissed about that purchase?
Aug 22 04:09:24 <funkatron> that is not enough information.
Aug 22 04:09:29 <TravisAntonio> crazy8: There's a Guide at Precentral for OSX Lion.
Aug 22 04:09:31 <Tibfib> my sincerest apologies to you and your family
Aug 22 04:09:34 <funkatron> akanster: eh. at the end of the day, not really
Aug 22 04:09:36 <crazy8> sweet
Aug 22 04:09:39 <crazy8> thx travis
Aug 22 04:09:46 <funkatron> it's just money
Aug 22 04:09:48 <TravisAntonio> crazy8: You're welcome.
Aug 22 04:09:55 <Tibfib> :() :() :() :() :() :() :() :() :()
Aug 22 04:10:05 <rwatkins-mbp> so .. app now pretty much works on pre3 - lets go see what I broke on the version that runs on probalbly 300k more devices.
Aug 22 04:10:30 <fxspec06> guys, i can't wait for my monsterous massive 20lb touchpad arrives at my doorstep tomorrow morning
Aug 22 04:10:31 <akanster> rwatkins-mbp: all 12 Pre 3s out there?
Aug 22 04:10:33 <fxspec06> this morning*
Aug 22 04:10:43 <rwatkins-mbp> akanster: indeed.
Aug 22 04:10:44 <Shadyman> fxspec06: That's no moon!
Aug 22 04:10:57 <fxspec06> huh
Aug 22 04:11:01 <TravisAntonio> fxspec06: 20lb? I thought it was 30lb.
Aug 22 04:11:02 <rwatkins-mbp> was mostly done, wanna roll that back into master before poking at anhy other features.
Aug 22 04:11:07 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: dan is sending over the images tomorrow :)
Aug 22 04:11:19 <Tibfib> HEY this will qualify me for brown belt!
Aug 22 04:11:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> YES! :-)
Aug 22 04:11:28 <Tibfib> FITZGERALD YEAH!
Aug 22 04:11:28 <fxspec06> it's at least 20lbs
Aug 22 04:11:37 <fxspec06> and it cuts the skin on your fingers i hear
Aug 22 04:11:42 <fxspec06> i cant' wait for that
Aug 22 04:11:53 <PatrickC_TP> Tibfib: what's the app?
Aug 22 04:11:58 <Tibfib> rimshaht
Aug 22 04:12:04 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 22 04:12:05 <funkatron> HP covered these firesale units with razor blades
Aug 22 04:12:07 <TravisAntonio> fxscpec06: I'm finally buying mine tomorrow.
Aug 22 04:12:10 <funkatron> and Leo A's urine
Aug 22 04:12:11 <fxspec06> i'm so excited, i actually have been working out. and cutting the skin on my fingers in preparation.
Aug 22 04:12:27 <funkatron> actually that went in a much darker direction than I anticipated
Aug 22 04:12:28 <PatrickC_TP> will it be a "qualifying" :-)
Aug 22 04:12:31 <Tibfib> what a classy guy: http://www.precentral.net/new-touchpad-tips-apps-accessories#comment_446082
Aug 22 04:12:36 <Tibfib> He tipped his hat to me
Aug 22 04:12:40 <Tibfib> and he made the other app
Aug 22 04:12:53 <Tibfib> PatrickC_TP: if yours qualified and rimshaht doesn't, I'll be pissed
Aug 22 04:12:59 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 22 04:13:01 <Tibfib> it's gonna be fancy
Aug 22 04:13:08 <PatrickC_TP> ooo
Aug 22 04:13:08 <Tibfib> well at least the ad for nomnomnom is
Aug 22 04:13:09 <Tibfib> >.<
Aug 22 04:13:14 <PatrickC_TP> how much?
Aug 22 04:13:17 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 22 04:13:18 <webhostbudd> any tablets still available?
Aug 22 04:13:20 <webhostbudd> lol
Aug 22 04:13:26 <Tibfib> PatrickC_TP: freee
Aug 22 04:13:28 <funkatron> yes, in your mom
Aug 22 04:13:32 <Tibfib> so you can get it
Aug 22 04:13:39 * PatrickC_TP might buy apps *once he gets paid!*
Aug 22 04:13:48 <PatrickC_TP> </rant>
Aug 22 04:13:58 <funkatron> fascinating
Aug 22 04:14:01 <akanster> thats not a rant
Aug 22 04:14:03 <Tibfib> that was a rant?
Aug 22 04:14:05 <PatrickC_TP> I haven't gotten paid yet, so I can't buy anything yet
Aug 22 04:14:16 <PatrickC_TP> I was suppose to get paid a week ago
Aug 22 04:14:17 <Tibfib> PatrickC_TP, don't ever change
Aug 22 04:14:26 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 04:14:28 <PatrickC_TP> Tibfib: why? lol
Aug 22 04:14:42 <Tibfib> life would be less entertaining, less stressful
Aug 22 04:14:54 <PatrickC_TP> and without money, there is no app buying
Aug 22 04:14:59 <fxspec06> PatrickC_TP: because i need someone to get mad at!
Aug 22 04:15:03 <akanster> wow Tibfib, that's a standup guy, rsanchez1
Aug 22 04:15:05 <Tibfib> $2 is nothing.
Aug 22 04:15:12 <Tibfib> akanster: I know, my respect for him just rose
Aug 22 04:15:19 <Tibfib> didn't really have an opinion before
Aug 22 04:15:37 <PatrickC_TP> a good notes app, that syncs between touchpad and phone, I would probably buy
Aug 22 04:15:40 <fxspec06> rsanchez1 said my app was worthless and he couldn't understand why anyone would buy it
Aug 22 04:15:44 <funkatron> http://www.pcsuperstore.com/browse/Handhelds/999/HP/
Aug 22 04:15:47 <funkatron> oops
Aug 22 04:15:59 <fxspec06> actually that's too much
Aug 22 04:16:01 <Tibfib> fxspec06: link?
Aug 22 04:16:02 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 04:16:03 <fxspec06> he only said "I don't see the point. Even if its only 99 cents, that's a lot for,quite literally, nothing. "
Aug 22 04:16:15 * PatrickC_TP can't click the link... :/
Aug 22 04:16:16 <fxspec06> so that's fair. i can see why he would say that
Aug 22 04:16:17 <Tibfib> I CAN GET AN HP TABLET!
Aug 22 04:16:20 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/quick-app-clearview
Aug 22 04:16:21 <funkatron> I love it when people are like "your preferences are invalid because they differ from my preferences"
Aug 22 04:16:26 <webhostbudd> Tibfib
Aug 22 04:16:27 <webhostbudd> nice
Aug 22 04:16:28 <Tibfib> fxspec06: well it is dude.
Aug 22 04:16:32 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 22 04:16:42 <linuxuz3r> hey
Aug 22 04:16:54 <fxspec06> HEY. i need to make money
Aug 22 04:16:56 <linuxuz3r> there is a flashplayer update for touchpad
Aug 22 04:17:03 <fxspec06> and people know what it is, they don't have to buy it
Aug 22 04:17:05 <akanster> lol fxspec06, ok he was being a dick there
Aug 22 04:17:06 <funkatron> also comments should never be allowed on anything ever
Aug 22 04:17:17 <funkatron> hey.
Aug 22 04:17:42 <PatrickC_TP> funkatron: lol
Aug 22 04:17:43 <Tibfib> fxspec06: honestly when a simple app like that makes front page over a less than simple app, devs will get angry
Aug 22 04:17:56 * PatrickC_TP needs that bluetooth keyboard...
Aug 22 04:18:03 <akanster> heh, with all this webOS news this weekend, I missed the real news.  Apparently Libya went all gangsta last night
Aug 22 04:18:03 <Tibfib> funkatron: users suck
Aug 22 04:18:23 <Tibfib> NOMNOMNOM
Aug 22 04:18:34 <fxspec06> lol, i honestly couldn't understand why it hit front page. like. that was under the ropes released. pretty much for a few people that may have wanted it. and it hit the front page
Aug 22 04:18:46 <funkatron> under the table you mean?
Aug 22 04:18:50 <Jordan8> does box.net still give the free 50gb storage for new TP purchases?
Aug 22 04:18:55 <Tibfib> Jordan8: yes afaik
Aug 22 04:18:56 <fxspec06> like i didn't tell anyone about it
Aug 22 04:18:59 <funkatron> right
Aug 22 04:19:04 <funkatron> under the radar
Aug 22 04:19:08 <fxspec06> yeah radar*
Aug 22 04:19:10 <funkatron> anyway
Aug 22 04:19:16 <funkatron> again
Aug 22 04:19:23 <funkatron> this is why comments should never be allowed
Aug 22 04:19:45 <Tibfib> funkatron: I don't know why this is so funny, but it made me actually lol: "To maintain equilibrium, eating will only be permitted while pooping. Please RT."
Aug 22 04:19:53 <Jordan8> alright, thanks Tibfib
Aug 22 04:20:03 <funkatron> because the majority of those who find themselves compelled to comment say, in essence, "you are wrong for liking what you like"
Aug 22 04:20:20 <funkatron> Tibfib: it's funny because it's true
Aug 22 04:20:37 <funkatron> also, almost all comments are stupid.
Aug 22 04:20:39 <Tibfib> funkatron: haha
Aug 22 04:20:45 <Tibfib> where did it come from?
Aug 22 04:20:47 <Tibfib> think of it yourself?
Aug 22 04:20:55 <fxspec06> lollllllllllllll
Aug 22 04:20:55 <Tibfib> funkatron: except for 5 star reviews. those are always good
Aug 22 04:22:43 <funkatron> Tibfib: all me baby
Aug 22 04:22:51 <funkatron> also, reviews are almost all terrible.
Aug 22 04:23:09 <funkatron> sometimes they coincide with your ends, but typically they come from the same insanity
Aug 22 04:23:21 <Tibfib> funkatron: there's some wit behind that grizzly exterior
Aug 22 04:23:35 <funkatron> of course, anyone reading this who left a 5-star review for Spaz HD is excepted
Aug 22 04:23:45 <Tibfib> right, o' course
Aug 22 04:23:47 <Tibfib> nomnomnom too
Aug 22 04:23:49 * funkatron is just a big bear cub
Aug 22 04:24:22 <Tibfib> oh gosh my pc is running mega slow
Aug 22 04:24:31 <funkatron> LOOK WHO IS READY FOR WORK
Aug 22 04:25:24 <Tibfib> alright I'm off
Aug 22 04:25:25 <Tibfib> night everyone
Aug 22 04:25:30 <funkatron> night chuckles
Aug 22 04:26:09 <fxspec06> later tib
Aug 22 04:26:20 <fxspec06> i think i'm going to bed too
Aug 22 04:26:27 <PatrickC_TP> cya Tibfib 
Aug 22 04:26:28 <fxspec06> gotta set a alarm so i don't miss UPS
Aug 22 04:26:34 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 22 04:26:53 <shodan45> I don't suppose the author of "drPodder" is in here?
Aug 22 04:27:05 <fxspec06> worst case scenario is i wake up to see a sticker on my door saying they tried and tried and tried and nearly kicked the door down but nobody was home so they will try again tomorrow
Aug 22 04:27:10 <PatrickC_TP> isn't that haeffb?
Aug 22 04:27:25 <shodan45> Jamie Hatfield
Aug 22 04:29:09 <PatrickC_TP> fxspec06: 2 out 7 of the reviews are negative..
Aug 22 04:29:21 <fxspec06_> for?
Aug 22 04:29:57 <PatrickC_TP> wildn
Aug 22 04:30:07 <fxspec06_> oh 2 out of 7
Aug 22 04:30:08 <fxspec06_> i know
Aug 22 04:30:12 <fxspec06_> i've read them all
Aug 22 04:30:12 <PatrickC_TP> some are pretty bad bugs
Aug 22 04:30:17 <fxspec06_> uhm, no
Aug 22 04:30:23 <fxspec06_> some are morons
Aug 22 04:30:29 <PatrickC_TP> like non-responsiveness to touch
Aug 22 04:30:34 <fxspec06_> guy breaking his finger smashing his screen
Aug 22 04:30:38 <fxspec06_> is a moron
Aug 22 04:30:42 <fxspec06_> another guy can't find sound
Aug 22 04:30:47 <fxspec06_> because he can't look in options
Aug 22 04:30:50 <fxspec06_> another moron
Aug 22 04:31:00 <fxspec06_> doesn't sound like a bug to me
Aug 22 04:31:04 <fxspec06_> k goodnight guys
Aug 22 04:31:07 <PatrickC_TP> ok..
Aug 22 04:31:08 <PatrickC_TP> night
Aug 22 04:31:24 <fxspec06_> watch the youtube video
Aug 22 04:31:35 <fxspec06_> it rebutes everything
Aug 22 04:31:36 <PatrickC_TP> ok
Aug 22 04:31:49 <PatrickC_TP> I'm off to bed too :-)
Aug 22 04:31:56 <PatrickC_TP> night all
Aug 22 04:32:02 * PatrickC_TP goes to watch vid
Aug 22 04:32:50 * shodan45 is reminded of http://xkcd.com/937/
Aug 22 04:55:54 <twbbas> Got my update done
Aug 22 04:56:06 <twbbas> packaging and then gonna submit
Aug 22 04:56:24 <twbbas> then tomorrow I start work on the next update that has to be out by end of week
Aug 22 04:56:29 <twbbas> :\
Aug 22 04:58:01 <maik> hi from touchpad :)
Aug 22 04:59:15 <linuxuz3r> me too hi from touchpad
Aug 22 04:59:26 <linuxuz3r> maik, what client you using
Aug 22 04:59:50 <maik> wirc, naturally
Aug 22 05:00:00 <plov> no such thing as background services for enyo?
Aug 22 05:00:30 <maik> doh
Aug 22 05:02:39 <em> I just placed an order for a 100 dollar touchpad. someone here tell me why i've made a great decision.
Aug 22 05:02:51 <robobot[1]> it's only $100
Aug 22 05:02:59 <robobot[1]> so whatever
Aug 22 05:03:01 <em> you have convinced me.
Aug 22 05:03:05 <jrabbit> its more powrful then a roomba?
Aug 22 05:03:37 <robobot[1]> em: my logic is flawless
Aug 22 05:05:03 <em> robobot[1]: I have seen you make one argument and it was flawless. So by induction it would seem so.
Aug 22 05:05:20 <maik> its good hardware at a pretty good price.  I'd say its worth it
Aug 22 05:05:45 <maik> even if the os is subpar
Aug 22 05:07:16 <em> does it come with apps on it? Will there still be apps I can put on it?
Aug 22 05:07:21 <maik> anyone find any good deals on touchpad accessories like cases or touchstones?
Aug 22 05:07:31 <maik> yes and yes
Aug 22 05:07:37 <dwc-> it's a bot conversation
Aug 22 05:07:38 <robobot[1]> accessories cost more than the tablet itself
Aug 22 05:07:43 <jrabbit> maik: touchstones are like $5 at verizon
Aug 22 05:07:53 <dwc-> those are the phone touchstones
Aug 22 05:07:57 <jrabbit> oh
Aug 22 05:07:57 <jrabbit> :(
Aug 22 05:08:01 <jrabbit> damnit
Aug 22 05:08:06 <robobot[1]> only worthwile accessory is the touchstone dock which is selling for about $70
Aug 22 05:08:20 <maik> ugh
Aug 22 05:08:20 <dwc-> robobot and boten emma
Aug 22 05:08:26 <jrabbit> thats almost as another otuchpad
Aug 22 05:08:30 <maik> they should come down...hopefully
Aug 22 05:08:31 <dwc-> em: the app store isn't closing [yet?]
Aug 22 05:08:39 <jrabbit> who needs charging, I'll just buy another ;)
Aug 22 05:08:41 <dwc-> so you should be able to get apps for awhile
Aug 22 05:09:01 <robobot[1]> i'll dock one touchpad onto the other and they can sustain each other
Aug 22 05:09:03 <dwc-> my personal opinion is that the store will stay up for at least 2 years
Aug 22 05:09:06 <maik> em: make sure you buy Emergency Lights :-)
Aug 22 05:09:08 <jrabbit> robobot[1]: hahaa
Aug 22 05:09:26 <maik> perpetual touchpad machine
Aug 22 05:09:27 <dwc-> (to cover all the at&t veer users on contract plans)
Aug 22 05:09:32 <jrabbit> is their touchstone stuff an open standard?
Aug 22 05:09:37 <maik> nope
Aug 22 05:09:43 <jrabbit> >:(
Aug 22 05:09:47 <azakus> B&N still in stock 16GB: http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-TouchPad-Tablet-with-16GB-Memory-WiFi-12GHz-Black/e/886111788637?itm=2&usri=touchpad
Aug 22 05:09:56 <twbbas> Question: If I have a phone app that runs in the mojo emulation window on TP and I check "tablet" for the availability in the catalog, does it say "For TouchPad" next to the item in the App Catalog?
Aug 22 05:10:09 <maik> and they admitted they were going to start looking I to NFC a few weeks back
Aug 22 05:10:20 <jrabbit> maik: hmm?
Aug 22 05:11:09 <webhostbudd> seems like a good deal at barnes and noble
Aug 22 05:11:31 <webhostbudd> any coupon codes for it hahaha
Aug 22 05:11:32 <jrabbit> i think i have a B&N gift card..
Aug 22 05:11:42 <maik> err, I guess that would have been go replace touch to share
Aug 22 05:11:54 <maik> to*
Aug 22 05:12:10 <jrabbit> I don't really need two nor do I know anyone who wants one
Aug 22 05:12:24 <NuSuey> In compliance with shipping regulations, some item(s) in your order cannot be sent to Kosice in Slovakia (Slovak Republic).
Aug 22 05:12:25 <NuSuey> crap
Aug 22 05:12:27 <NuSuey> btw hi guys
Aug 22 05:12:29 <bpadalino> touch to share uses the coils to pair, but data goes over bluetooth apparently ..
Aug 22 05:12:59 <rwhitby> coils to authenticate, bluetooth to transfer URL, normal network for data
Aug 22 05:13:11 <bpadalino> there you have it
Aug 22 05:13:12 <maik> right.  they were talking about moving it all to NFC since it can do all of that
Aug 22 05:13:24 <NuSuey> nobody going to europe in the few weeks?
Aug 22 05:13:30 <plov> there's no such thing as content providers (android) in webos ?
Aug 22 05:13:45 <maik> or at least that's what I thought I remember reading
Aug 22 05:15:18 <PuffTheMagic> anyone know if its possible to disable the upswipe gesture from an app?
Aug 22 05:16:54 <jrabbit> rwhitby: sounds like bump
Aug 22 05:17:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Adora: ping
Aug 22 05:17:55 <plov> if you have 5 different email apps, there's no such thing as clicking a link on your browser and being prompted which email app to use?
Aug 22 05:18:28 <jrabbit> plov: their called intents.
Aug 22 05:18:49 <plov> oh right, in android, but they dont exist in webos?
Aug 22 05:18:52 <Hendikins> rwhitby: TouchPads are disappearing faster than free beer.
Aug 22 05:18:54 <jrabbit> no clue :)
Aug 22 05:19:17 <rwhitby> Hendikins: Adeliade city store told me they never had any to sell
Aug 22 05:19:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rwhitby: the way some of these Android developers are acting would make you very disappointed
Aug 22 05:19:50 <rwhitby> Hendikins: nearest is 15km away. I can't be bothered.
Aug 22 05:20:11 <rwhitby> IGNTNUNLMTD: why would I be disappointed in how Android developers act?
Aug 22 05:20:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> some of those working on TouchDroid... or claiming to
Aug 22 05:20:25 <zomg> Apparently Barnes and Noble still had/has TouchPads
Aug 22 05:20:33 <zomg> Someone tweeted about it a couple of minutes ago
Aug 22 05:20:35 <azakus> zomg: just posted the link
Aug 22 05:20:36 <webhostbudd> yes
Aug 22 05:20:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they have no respect for the lines of illegal and legal
Aug 22 05:20:40 <webhostbudd> i just ordered one
Aug 22 05:20:43 <webhostbudd> too bad you pay tax
Aug 22 05:20:44 <webhostbudd> o well
Aug 22 05:20:47 <webhostbudd> it was worth the $6
Aug 22 05:20:53 <webhostbudd> im okay with that
Aug 22 05:20:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> talking about and sharing code they shouldn't be on IRC
Aug 22 05:21:01 <rwhitby> IGNTNUNLMTD: that's nothing new
Aug 22 05:21:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> some people are just so selfish they'll ruin the party for everyone, no matter what :-/
Aug 22 05:22:16 <zomg> Eh, TouchPad is now a bestseller on amazon... Even though they didn't even discount it
Aug 22 05:22:18 <Hendikins> rwhitby: BS. They sold them to staff according to Whirlpool users who were there.
Aug 22 05:22:26 <maik> are webOS internals working on an android port? doesn't seem like sometg
Aug 22 05:22:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I've also had a ton of people today ask me where they can pirate webOS apps... really pissed me off
Aug 22 05:22:38 <maik> thing you guys would focus on
Aug 22 05:22:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, maik, they're not
Aug 22 05:22:57 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Here is a list of stores known to be out: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1637857&p=51#r1005
Aug 22 05:22:57 <maik> what did the TouchDown people do?
Aug 22 05:23:03 <zomg> I'm  more interested in putting those Xserver things on the TouchPad =)
Aug 22 05:23:16 <zomg> I managed to get one cheaply through a friend who lives in the states
Aug 22 05:23:24 <robobot[1]> lol if amazon sold touchpad to staff...to keep room in the market for their own upcoming tablet
Aug 22 05:23:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> maik: they're an independent group of Android developers hell bent on getting Gingerbread to run on the TouchPad
Aug 22 05:23:56 <maik> I gathered that much.  did they do something wrong?
Aug 22 05:26:39 <maik> man I would kill for a nice terminal app
Aug 22 05:26:55 <webhostbudd> me too
Aug 22 05:28:00 <rwhitby> maik: their first act (which they have since withdrawn) was to redistribute a modified doctor
Aug 22 05:28:25 <Txyru> woot
Aug 22 05:28:27 <plov> how long is bn.com been selling it for discount?
Aug 22 05:28:28 <Txyru> ordered 4 touchpads
Aug 22 05:28:33 <plov> because i'm surprised it's still not sold out
Aug 22 05:28:38 <maik> oh.  I take it that's a no-no
Aug 22 05:28:58 <grandy> 2 hours
Aug 22 05:29:11 <plov> ah i guess demand is dropping a lot
Aug 22 05:29:37 <ziplock503> funny how on bn.com 32g is 599 lol and 16g is 101
Aug 22 05:30:06 <grandy> Product Total $101,848.05
Aug 22 05:30:11 <grandy> barnes lets me order 999
Aug 22 05:30:20 <plov> do it
Aug 22 05:30:36 <plov> and you sure 2 hours? looked at the time stamp of slickdeals and it looks like 25mins ago
Aug 22 05:31:31 <rwhitby> Hendikins: apparently there is a law in SA that you can't say "only one per customer" - some guy tried to stand up to the HN manager on it, and got the cops called on him. left the store in handcuffs with one touchpad
Aug 22 05:31:44 <crazy8> guys....im having trouble updating my touchpad to 3.0.2, ive downloaded the sdk and installed the nova drivers
Aug 22 05:31:46 <Txyru> at least he got one.
Aug 22 05:31:55 <crazy8> but then webos doctor tells me the drivers are too new
Aug 22 05:31:58 <Hendikins> rwhitby: !!
Aug 22 05:32:12 <crazy8> what can i do?
Aug 22 05:32:21 <maik> I bought my 32 at Wal-Mart Saturday morning before the local store got their price adjustment.  I went back in later that day and they let me return it and then buy it at the new price
Aug 22 05:32:48 <rwhitby> Hendikins: "cause the manager wouldnt actually say he was going to stop me from buying 2, caus he knew it was illegal..... but he said he was only going to charge me for one and if i took 2 it would be theft"
Aug 22 05:32:55 <maik> rwhitby: hah, lame
Aug 22 05:33:46 <EdLin> rwhitby he didn't know the golden rule.
Aug 22 05:33:54 <EdLin> whoever's got the gold, makes the rules. ;-)
Aug 22 05:34:37 <Hendikins> rwhitby: I'll see how many my minions can get. If they can get enough, I'll just send one over.
Aug 22 05:34:45 <Hendikins> As a donation to the cause.
Aug 22 05:35:30 <EdLin> I might have an extra one too, it looks like HP SMB is sending me one after-all, but I want to get them to cancel the order 'cause I'm not really into the ebay/craigslist hassle.
Aug 22 05:36:22 <rwhitby> Hendikins: I'll pay the cost, no worries
Aug 22 05:36:24 <EdLin> that lady from HP shouldn't have sent out the tweet saying that the HP SMB orders were really out of stock.
Aug 22 05:37:37 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Have to see how many I can get first. I've got somebody who might be able to raid Wagga Wagga and/or Albury for me.
Aug 22 05:38:09 <Hendikins> Trying to get stock in any capital city would be a dead loss now.
Aug 22 05:40:33 <plov> anyone not able to connect to https://www.discover.com/shopdiscover/cbb/barnesandnoble ?
Aug 22 05:40:56 <grandy> i cant
Aug 22 05:41:11 <plov> sucks 15% is a sweet discount
Aug 22 05:41:16 <grandy> take off the s
Aug 22 05:41:20 <grandy> http://
Aug 22 05:44:35 <Rotund> Can someone help me? I'm trying to make my app open a login window. How do I launch a browser? and preferably get the response back ;)
Aug 22 05:45:44 <Rotund> sorry. in Enyo
Aug 22 05:46:04 <twbbas> Today I got more downloads than I did in the past 2 weeks of my free app
Aug 22 05:46:14 <hemna> http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/21/switched-on-the-webos-triangle/
Aug 22 05:46:21 <grandy> whats your app
Aug 22 05:46:22 <hemna> interesting article/take on the whole debacle
Aug 22 05:46:38 <grandy> i bet alot of people will start devving for webos
Aug 22 05:46:56 <twbbas> grandy: Differences by Zone303
Aug 22 05:47:07 <twbbas> grandy: Are you a dev?
Aug 22 05:47:07 <siestacat> hey guys
Aug 22 05:47:21 <siestacat> how do I get keyboarf to show in xterm?
Aug 22 05:47:33 <siestacat> or another termiml for tp
Aug 22 05:47:40 <siestacat> ?
Aug 22 05:48:33 <dtzWill> siestacat: keyboard should/will show if you don't have a bt keyboard connected
Aug 22 05:48:37 <dtzWill> siestacat: and if you're running 3.0.2
Aug 22 05:48:52 <siestacat> I'm running 3
Aug 22 05:49:01 <siestacat> 3.0.2 will not update
Aug 22 05:49:35 <crazy8> same here
Aug 22 05:49:37 <siestacat> dtzWill
Aug 22 05:49:48 <siestacat> so....
Aug 22 05:49:52 <siestacat> yeah
Aug 22 05:50:00 <Rotund> grandy: working on a Yahoo! Fantasy Football app
Aug 22 05:50:08 <siestacat> just gives me an error
Aug 22 05:50:14 <Rotund> dealing w/ frickin oauth
Aug 22 05:50:20 <dtzWill> siestacat: so..... the version you have doesn't support the virtual keyboard, it's a known issue that the update fixes
Aug 22 05:50:25 <siestacat> same with other TP in my fsmily
Aug 22 05:50:43 <siestacat> how do I update dtzwill
Aug 22 05:50:54 <siestacat> no access tk computrr
Aug 22 05:50:55 <crazy8> try webos doctor
Aug 22 05:50:56 <twbbas> Goodnight #webos
Aug 22 05:50:59 <siestacat> to*
Aug 22 05:51:04 <crazy8> nm
Aug 22 05:51:23 <dtzWill> siestacat: idk, tbh sorry :/
Aug 22 05:51:31 <dtzWill> are servers just swamped b/c of huge tp sales?
Aug 22 05:51:35 <dtzWill> didn't think people ever had problems previously.
Aug 22 05:52:35 <siestacat> probaboy
Aug 22 05:52:50 <siestacat> but dunno
Aug 22 05:53:03 <rwhitby> silly people buying a $100 touchpad and expecting it to work properly ... ;)
Aug 22 05:53:36 <siestacat> lol
Aug 22 05:54:16 <siestacat> oh, question
Aug 22 05:54:24 <siestacat> anyone know how to pejnt
Aug 22 05:54:35 <siestacat> print* to other printers
Aug 22 05:54:40 <siestacat> like a brother
Aug 22 05:54:49 <grandy> penis to printer?
Aug 22 05:54:52 <siestacat> I dont buy hps
Aug 22 05:55:00 <siestacat> grandh lol
Aug 22 05:55:02 <Hendikins> The Whirlpool thread is mayhem at the moment.
Aug 22 05:55:19 <siestacat> I mean print from TP to other brand printers
Aug 22 05:55:25 * PsWii60 follows grandy into a dark avenue. Hey test my crowbar!
Aug 22 05:55:26 <akanster> Hendikins: whirlpool?
Aug 22 05:55:32 <Hendikins> Killing this device may be the best marketing decision HP ever made.
Aug 22 05:55:46 <Hendikins> akanster: whirlpool.net.au - an Australian broadband and technology discussion site.
Aug 22 05:55:51 <akanster> ah
Aug 22 05:55:56 <siestacat> anyone?
Aug 22 05:56:09 <grandy> Hendikins imagine if you bought one 3 weeks ago at $600
Aug 22 05:56:16 <grandy> would you ever buy an HP product again
Aug 22 05:57:08 <siestacat> lol
Aug 22 05:57:41 <grandy> if i was russel brandt i'd be fuckin PO'd
Aug 22 05:58:07 <Hendikins> grandy: I got one last week at RRP. I only returned it this morning.
Aug 22 05:58:21 <Hendikins> But I'll buy it again later, being a no box return they won't flog it.
Aug 22 05:58:30 <Hendikins> (And they've confirmed they'll hold it)
Aug 22 05:58:52 <grandy> for less than $100?
Aug 22 05:58:52 <grandy> :D
Aug 22 05:59:14 <Rotund> Anyone know about how many were sold?
Aug 22 05:59:32 <Rotund> And how to open the browser from Enyo?
Aug 22 06:10:43 <webhostbudd> i cant wait to see the massive influx of users on this irc haha
Aug 22 06:10:45 <webhostbudd> just wait
Aug 22 06:12:48 <zomg> Who knows
Aug 22 06:12:59 <zomg> Many people might've bought TouchPad's for their family too so might not really care about it
Aug 22 06:13:03 <zomg> At least I know a few who did
Aug 22 06:13:22 <zomg> but yeah, probably still gonna get some new people at least
Aug 22 06:13:30 * plov shocked bn.com still not sold out
Aug 22 06:13:55 <jacques> I wish they would put the 32GB on sale
Aug 22 06:14:07 <cxreg> psst, that's really a nook color with a new label on it
Aug 22 06:15:22 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Apparently Taree still has stock, so they're not all gone.
Aug 22 06:15:44 <Hendikins> But they're disappearing. Wagga and Albury had nil.
Aug 22 06:16:06 <DonnyCrane> Hendikins: be nice if they had more stock of the accessories though
Aug 22 06:16:13 <rwhitby> Hendikins: never block a good tweet with facts!
Aug 22 06:16:16 <cxreg> is anyone discounting the touchstone?
Aug 22 06:16:26 <cxreg> i never got one
Aug 22 06:16:34 <Hendikins> DonnyCrane: Would be. I've got minions all over the place trying to get hold of them... even Simon Wright wants one! :P
Aug 22 06:17:02 <ArtworkAD_> hi
Aug 22 06:17:35 <DonnyCrane> Hendikins: touchstone and case for me, thanks :)
Aug 22 06:17:49 <Hendikins> DonnyCrane: Yeah, import those. Seriously.
Aug 22 06:18:15 <ArtworkAD__> is there a way to see user rating of my app? Currently I have no webOS device so  I cant view my app in app catalog
Aug 22 06:19:07 <DonnyCrane> Hendikins: my local HN was surprisingly optimistic they'd receive their shipment of accs, after the demand today
Aug 22 06:19:10 <DonnyCrane> so will see
Aug 22 06:19:18 <DonnyCrane> but will probably order from amazon once their prices get realistic
Aug 22 06:19:55 <Hendikins> Keeping check of that Whirlpool thread is a full time job by itself!
Aug 22 06:20:11 <DonnyCrane> that too
Aug 22 06:20:11 <Hendikins> Good thing I've been on empty cars for the last couple of hours.
Aug 22 06:20:30 <DonnyCrane> :P
Aug 22 06:20:42 <cxreg> just bought one of the 16G from bn
Aug 22 06:20:59 <DonnyCrane> Hendikins: much prefer the carouser title... less work, more laughs. :)
Aug 22 06:23:05 <Necrosan[c]> if its unofficial, shouldn't it be ##webos?
Aug 22 06:23:14 <Necrosan[c]> I am reporting this violation to freenode staff, thanks.
Aug 22 06:23:21 <plov> it is official
Aug 22 06:23:30 <Necrosan[c]> HP runs this channel?
Aug 22 06:23:41 <hotdp> Morning
Aug 22 06:23:46 <plov> Necrosan[c]: https://developer.palm.com/content/community/irc.html
Aug 22 06:23:52 <dtzWill> not *this* channel, they run #webos
Aug 22 06:23:59 <dtzWill> oh dear
Aug 22 06:24:00 <dtzWill> i'm in webos
Aug 22 06:24:02 * dtzWill sheepish
Aug 22 06:24:03 <hucksy> lol
Aug 22 06:24:09 <dtzWill> my apologies, but regardless :)
Aug 22 06:24:29 <rwhitby> Necrosan[c]: any reason for the sudden interest in the channel name?
Aug 22 06:24:41 <dtzWill> as that article describes, it's not /official/ but it's definitely okay with the right people :)
Aug 22 06:24:49 <Necrosan[c]> rwhitby: curious because i joined ##webos (which one would assume is associated with a channel like this)
Aug 22 06:24:55 <Necrosan[c]> and it was entirely empty =P
Aug 22 06:24:59 <plov> well it's officially unofficial!
Aug 22 06:25:03 <Necrosan[c]> hehe :)
Aug 22 06:25:04 <Necrosan[c]> OK
Aug 22 06:25:09 <rwhitby> Necrosan[c]: curious, but about to report it to freenode staff?
Aug 22 06:25:30 <Necrosan[c]> rwhitby: They really are serious about the #/## stuff...
Aug 22 06:25:30 <Hendikins> DonnyCrane: I don't have to worry about the madness for myself though, I've got my return to go back and re-buy. :P
Aug 22 06:25:37 <Necrosan[c]> It's almost my duty to report it
Aug 22 06:25:47 <rwhitby> Necrosan[c]: not in the 6 years I've had # channels here
Aug 22 06:26:02 <Necrosan[c]> rwhitby: You're somewhat right... It really depends on the project I suppose.
Aug 22 06:26:25 <plov> so can anyone tell me if i'm going down the right track, i want to see all the images on the device, use palmservice to retrieve?
Aug 22 06:26:32 <rwhitby> Necrosan[c]: but please do report it, so the HP staff here don't need to waste there time on IRC any more ...
Aug 22 06:26:32 <plov> and throw it into a carasoul?
Aug 22 06:26:42 <rwhitby> s/there/their/
Aug 22 06:27:45 <Necrosan[c]> rwhitby: I didn't mean to sound offensive, if I came off that way I apologize =P
Aug 22 06:27:47 <cxreg> rwhitby: bitter much?
Aug 22 06:28:02 <dtzWill> wait, hp links it from their website
Aug 22 06:28:08 <dwc-> technically, an HP employee does run it now, afaik
Aug 22 06:28:08 <rwhitby> cxreg: not really, how about you?
Aug 22 06:28:11 <dtzWill> surely that counts for being official enough for that policy?
Aug 22 06:28:15 <dwc-> unless he's still a contractor
Aug 22 06:28:19 <Necrosan[c]> but they state its unofficial, so. its a tough call
Aug 22 06:28:25 <dtzWill> they just don't mod it, afaik
Aug 22 06:28:30 <Necrosan[c]> i think it fits the criteria for # status
Aug 22 06:28:32 <Necrosan[c]> personally
Aug 22 06:28:43 <rwhitby> cxreg: in the past 48 hours, homebrew got 300,000+ new customers :)
Aug 22 06:28:47 <cxreg> rwhitby: more feeling like "dumped by an ugly chick"
Aug 22 06:29:09 <rwhitby> cxreg: that assume you were going out with her in the first place
Aug 22 06:29:11 <cxreg> heh
Aug 22 06:29:28 <plov> i am shocked there is no api to access the camera
Aug 22 06:29:33 <Shadyman> plov: There is.
Aug 22 06:29:34 <Necrosan[c]> there isn't?
Aug 22 06:29:39 <Necrosan[c]> that would be STUPID
Aug 22 06:29:40 <plov> oh? what's it called?
Aug 22 06:29:45 <webhostbudd> what kind of video applications can you use
Aug 22 06:29:58 <Shadyman> it's in the documentation under "multimedia"
Aug 22 06:30:18 <dwc-> there's a instagram style app
Aug 22 06:30:28 <dwc-> there's also qr code things
Aug 22 06:32:24 <Shadyman> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/javascript-libraries/media-capture.html
Aug 22 06:33:09 <Shadyman> g'nite
Aug 22 06:33:13 <plov> how does that doc fair for enyo
Aug 22 06:33:43 <Necrosan[c]> is there an INPUT_TYPE_VIDEO?
Aug 22 06:48:33 <akanster> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=selectPhone&phoneId=5623&archetypeId=12331 - $5 leather case for those new touchpads
Aug 22 06:51:40 <kesne> plov: You wanted info on media capture?
Aug 22 06:54:05 <naughty_david> $100 ?
Aug 22 06:58:05 <plov> kesne: yea
Aug 22 06:58:21 <kesne> plov: What for?
Aug 22 06:58:45 <plov> to look it over?...
Aug 22 06:59:07 <hotdp> Any one seen cheap accessory's in eu?
Aug 22 07:02:24 <kesne> plov: I mean, what sort of app are you looking to make
Aug 22 07:04:56 <Radix-wrk> is there any decent video player like vlc/mplayer that will play straight xvid's without needing to be reencoded for webos?
Aug 22 07:05:18 <dwc-> there is an mplayer for webos... I haven't gotten around to trying it
Aug 22 07:06:04 <dwc-> http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-webos/
Aug 22 07:06:05 <jrabbit> Radix-wrk: well you'd want stuff encoded with whatever decoder chips it has
Aug 22 07:06:24 <jrabbit> though the cpu is pretty powerful
Aug 22 07:07:03 <Radix-wrk> cheers dwc-
Aug 22 07:07:19 <Radix-wrk> jrabbit: yeah, reencoding sucks though ;)
Aug 22 07:08:21 <jrabbit> Radix-wrk: you can even stream as you encode though :P
Aug 22 07:09:37 <Radix-wrk> jrabbit: yeah.. I use airvideo on my ipad for that kind of thing. but it's not so useful when you're on the go and don't have 3g
Aug 22 07:14:22 * DonnyCrane jabs Radix-wrk in the ribs
Aug 22 07:14:39 <Radix-wrk> Denny Crane!
Aug 22 07:19:03 <ArtworkAD> In german forums they say that webOS will no longer be updated, but isnt it just that HP will no longer produce devices? I am a bit confused about that
Aug 22 07:21:15 <hotdp> ArtworkAD: i understand :)
Aug 22 07:21:19 <hotdp> I think all are
Aug 22 07:24:10 <ArtworkAD> I just wanted to ask what is the correct news. I understand that there will be no more devices from HP for webOS but which will webOS be developed in the future and which phones will use it are open questions to me
Aug 22 07:24:28 <kesne> Photoshop 3D sucks
Aug 22 07:25:04 <hotdp> ArtworkAD: I don't think there is any
Aug 22 07:25:07 <hotdp> yet
Aug 22 07:27:05 <ArtworkAD> "I don't think there is any yet" in reference to what? just did not get it...
Aug 22 07:27:49 <plov> no one knows ArtworkAD
Aug 22 07:28:41 <plov> from hp themselves supposedly webos will still be worked on but the webos staff would be reduced, but it's kind of something they say
Aug 22 07:28:43 <ArtworkAD> ok thats an answer^^
Aug 22 07:28:44 <hotdp> ArtworkAD: in reference to "correct news"
Aug 22 07:28:48 <ArtworkAD> ok
Aug 22 07:28:59 <hotdp> We all wait for a statement
Aug 22 07:29:31 <plov> ArtworkAD: because they can say yes webos will still be developed, then tomorrow say no it's done... you know?
Aug 22 07:29:54 <plov> since there is nothing to holding to developing webos further
Aug 22 07:30:01 <plov> holding them*
Aug 22 07:36:24 <plov> eh even if it dies supposedly touchdroid is making progress
Aug 22 07:36:29 <kesne> who wants to help me with game logic
Aug 22 07:37:27 <plov> what kind of game
Aug 22 07:38:33 <kesne> That's a sekrit
Aug 22 07:39:15 <plov> what if i'm developing the same kind of game
Aug 22 07:39:47 <Tommy> plov: then you should make it for a platform that isn't webOS, so you can actually put it on a device
Aug 22 07:40:06 <kesne> Haha!
Aug 22 07:40:20 <kesne> plov: I doubt your are, and even if you are, mine will sell better
Aug 22 07:40:21 <Tommy> yay, someone with a sense of humor
Aug 22 07:41:10 <Tommy> anyone hear any updates about onSale's stock of touchpads?
Aug 22 07:42:39 <Tommy> i refuse to believe i actually got 2 touchpads, given i ordered as late as i did after the whole intertubes were in a frenzy over them
Aug 22 07:42:56 <kesne> Who is onSale?
Aug 22 07:43:19 <Tommy> the last seller who (claimed to) have touchpads
Aug 22 07:43:29 <Tommy> i'm in australia now so i couldn't pick one up in store
Aug 22 07:44:16 <Tommy> bought it through amazon, but i never trust 3rd party sellers through amazon to be accurate with their stock
Aug 22 07:46:23 <sephiap> Tommy: I'm in the same boat, they're not for sale with them anymore so I presume it went through OK...
Aug 22 07:50:38 <dwc-> just keep trying to buy from places that let you cancel/return unopened at no cost
Aug 22 07:50:43 <dwc-> until you have one in hand
Aug 22 07:51:17 <Tommy> sephiap: it says estimated ship date 25th-30th, and yeah onSale is gone from amazon's list of vendors for the touchpad
Aug 22 07:51:20 <Tommy> sephiap: now all we can do is pray.
Aug 22 07:51:36 <Tommy> dwc-: that's the problem, there are NONE left.
Aug 22 07:51:40 <mots_> hey, I'm trying to develop an xbmc remote for the touchpad :)
Aug 22 07:51:50 <Tommy> i have zero interest in the touchpad honestly
Aug 22 07:52:03 <Tommy> but a 1.2ghz tablet with an adreno 220 for $150, come the fuck on
Aug 22 07:52:14 <Tommy> i'm not a retahd, i'll hope someone puts android on it
Aug 22 07:52:16 <mots_> but I'm not able to configure the eclipse plugin to allow me to test my application
Aug 22 07:52:30 <mots_> it doesn't show the emulator as option in the run configuration
Aug 22 07:52:37 <dwc-> bn had them in stock not too long ago
Aug 22 07:52:39 <dwc-> dunno about now
Aug 22 07:52:49 <mots_> and I don't have a touchpad yet (shipping from US to EU takes some time)
Aug 22 07:52:53 <mots_> any help?
Aug 22 07:53:24 <Tommy> eclipse plugin for webOS?
Aug 22 07:53:28 <Tommy> didnt know there was one o.o
Aug 22 07:53:29 <mots_> yeah
Aug 22 07:54:01 <mots_> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/eclipse.html
Aug 22 07:54:38 <Tommy> i'll take your word for it
Aug 22 07:57:25 <sephiap> Tommy: I know! I picked up two, to ship via bundlebox... here's hoping *fingers crossed*
Aug 22 07:57:50 <sephiap> hoping that quite a few people picking them up will be looking to contribute to the homebrew scene
Aug 22 07:58:03 <Tommy> sephiap: bn.com has them in stock...
Aug 22 07:58:04 <Tommy> 16gb and 32gb
Aug 22 07:58:13 * hotdp is looking at win mobile, but it hurts :S
Aug 22 07:58:42 <Tommy> sephiap: honestly, i know you hate to hear this, but tons of people are just looking to throw android on it :|
Aug 22 07:58:49 <sephiap> well, onsale should be OK, they had good ratings etc
Aug 22 07:59:00 <sephiap> yeah I'm following touchdroid, no idea why though
Aug 22 07:59:15 <sephiap> I thought the issue with the TP was the HW, not the OS, can't see how Android is going to change that
Aug 22 07:59:19 <Tommy> sephiap: if i could dual boot webOS/android it'll be my perfect tablet
Aug 22 07:59:26 <Tommy> that's what i wish i could do on my phone
Aug 22 07:59:37 <Tommy> sephiap: lol, what's wrong with the hardware?
Aug 22 07:59:51 <Tommy> i think the touchpad is the only webOS device where hardware ISN'T the problem
Aug 22 07:59:52 <sephiap> I just sold my transformer as it was a laggy piece of crap, kept crashing all the time, people want that? :P
Aug 22 08:00:08 <Tommy> http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-TouchPad-Tablet-with-16GB-Memory-WiFi-12GHz-Black/e/886111788637
Aug 22 08:00:23 <Tommy> sephiap: lol, apparently millions of people do, imagine that
Aug 22 08:00:25 <plov> they say bn.com sold out awhile ago
Aug 22 08:00:33 <sephiap> Tommy: most of the word since the discontinuation has been frustration at the HW, with rumours being the palm/HP guys wanted to can it as it was underpowered by today's standards
Aug 22 08:00:35 <Tommy> in fact, more people want that than any other OS on the planet :o
Aug 22 08:00:36 <sephiap> but, this is all conjecture.
Aug 22 08:00:43 <Tommy> plov: check the link
Aug 22 08:00:46 <mots_> webOS looks nice, but there are barely any applications :/
Aug 22 08:00:56 <mots_> an ideal approach would be a dalvin port imo
Aug 22 08:01:04 <Tommy> sephiap: 1.2ghz snapdragon with an adreno 220 is _not_ underpowered.
Aug 22 08:01:07 <Tommy> dalvik*
Aug 22 08:01:11 <plov> well the word is they sold out but the site hasn't updated, and people are getting rejected orders
Aug 22 08:01:12 <sephiap> aye like what the playbook has, the 'android player' layer
Aug 22 08:01:13 <mots_> yeah, typoed
Aug 22 08:01:24 <Tommy> plov: ah, i see
Aug 22 08:01:34 <sephiap> Tommy: I think it was the comparison of using cortex A8 cores vs the A9s on the market
Aug 22 08:01:35 <Tommy> sephiap: and look how well that's selling ^_^
Aug 22 08:01:39 <sephiap> ala iPad 2 etc
Aug 22 08:01:40 <plov> which makes sense because either no one is buying or bn.com has an endless stock pile
Aug 22 08:01:47 <mots_> anyways, I'm trying to dev my first webos app right now
Aug 22 08:02:08 <mots_> anyone (except me) interested in an tablet friendly xbmc/boxy/plex remote?
Aug 22 08:02:26 <Tommy> sephiap: iPad 2 has the best hardware of any tablet on the market, doesn't mean the touchpad is any worse than the rest
Aug 22 08:02:43 <sephiap> Tommy: I'm simply stating what I've read
Aug 22 08:02:48 <sephiap> not saying x is better than y
Aug 22 08:02:49 <Tommy> the acer iconia, asus transformer, xoom, etc all have identical chipsets... no better than the HP
Aug 22 08:03:04 <Tommy> i know, i'm just sayin, i don't think that's the case with why it didn't sell so well
Aug 22 08:03:09 <plov> mots_: why not develop with a webkit browser?
Aug 22 08:03:14 <sephiap> lol I didn't say that it was
Aug 22 08:03:14 <Tommy> they're just continuing the excuse the pre/+/2/3 have
Aug 22 08:03:18 <sephiap> merely that it was a criticism
Aug 22 08:03:25 <Tommy> i didn't say you said it was, now did i?
Aug 22 08:03:27 <plov> mots_: are you using enyo?
Aug 22 08:03:28 <sephiap> haha
Aug 22 08:03:29 <Tommy> i'm simply saying i don't think it is.
Aug 22 08:03:31 * sephiap hugs Tommy 
Aug 22 08:03:34 <mots_> plov, I'm trying to
Aug 22 08:03:46 * Tommy hopes sephiap is a girl, doesn't enjoy penis
Aug 22 08:03:54 <mots_> but first steps on webOS, only dev'd for desktop (qt, wx) and android so far
Aug 22 08:03:55 * sephiap knows you enjoy it really :>
Aug 22 08:03:59 <Tommy> nuuuuuuu
Aug 22 08:04:07 <Tommy> i knew a girl with a name close to your nick actually
Aug 22 08:04:11 <Tommy> her name was sopheap
Aug 22 08:04:14 <mots_> I'm familiar with eclipse, so I thought that would be a good option
Aug 22 08:04:18 <Tommy> s/was/is, she's alive
Aug 22 08:04:20 <plov> mots_: just use webkit browser
Aug 22 08:04:25 <plov> like safari / chrome
Aug 22 08:04:27 <sephiap> I had a pre- since launch, devved a few apps which I never submitted, mojo was a bit convoluted but quite simple.
Aug 22 08:04:29 <mots_> for testing?
Aug 22 08:04:35 <plov> yea
Aug 22 08:04:36 <mots_> or that online IDE thingie?
Aug 22 08:04:43 <TravisAntonio> Helou
Aug 22 08:04:46 <plov> for testing
Aug 22 08:04:47 <sephiap> I think  the whole 'if you can make websites you can write for webOS' was a load of crap
Aug 22 08:04:54 <TravisAntonio> 4.01 am :) lol
Aug 22 08:05:12 <sephiap> I'm yet to meet many webdevs (outside of serverside scripting) who had even a remote knowledge of MVC / design patterns D:
Aug 22 08:05:17 <mots_> also, how do I get the eclipse plugin to create an enyo application?
Aug 22 08:05:21 <Tommy> 6:02pm :) lol
Aug 22 08:05:25 <mots_> i tried new webos application
Aug 22 08:05:31 <Radix-wrk> 4.02pm
Aug 22 08:05:33 <mots_> but the result looks very tablet-unfriendly
Aug 22 08:05:36 <TravisAntonio> Tommy: damn where do you live?.
Aug 22 08:05:44 <Tommy> TravisAntonio: new york city, but i'm not there now.
Aug 22 08:05:51 <Tommy> i'm currently in townsville, qld, au
Aug 22 08:05:58 <plov> mots_: i have no idea, what does the eclipse plugin do even? just try browser + using a cmd line tools
Aug 22 08:06:07 <TravisAntonio> Tommy: oh I see... :P
Aug 22 08:06:42 <TravisAntonio> Plov: make the work more easier.
Aug 22 08:07:00 <Tommy> Radix-wrk: ausfailure = my new home.
Aug 22 08:07:15 <Tommy> i'm applying to schools here next semester and hopefully staying for a longlongtime.
Aug 22 08:07:40 <Radix-wrk> heh.. you should've hit harvey norman today if you wanted a touchpad ;)
Aug 22 08:07:53 <Radix-wrk> I got one to play with
Aug 22 08:08:21 <Tommy> Radix-wrk: lol, i ordered 2 today, hoping they actually come through
Aug 22 08:08:22 <Tommy> 32GB
Aug 22 08:08:33 <Radix-wrk> good luck! :)
Aug 22 08:08:53 <TravisAntonio> Radix-wrk: I'm jealous!. I'm going to buy mine tomorrow I mean today because is 4:05 am lol.
Aug 22 08:09:42 <Radix-wrk> TravisAntonio: good luck finding one - sounds like they're sold out everywhere now or close to it
Aug 22 08:10:01 <TravisAntonio> HP is restocking today
Aug 22 08:10:04 <TravisAntonio> :)
Aug 22 08:10:14 <TravisAntonio> And some more shops
Aug 22 08:10:21 <Radix-wrk> is hp.com selling direct still then?
Aug 22 08:10:29 <TravisAntonio> Yep
Aug 22 08:10:39 <TravisAntonio> I just hope they do it at noon
Aug 22 08:10:48 <TravisAntonio> Because I'm going to the bank at noon
Aug 22 08:15:49 <Tommy> TravisAntonio: wow, they're restocking? never wouldve expected that
Aug 22 08:16:08 <TravisAntonio> Yes
Aug 22 08:16:13 <TravisAntonio> They said this monday
Aug 22 08:16:36 <TravisAntonio> Because they're getting all the Touchpads back from staples
Aug 22 08:16:43 <TravisAntonio> Like 220,000
Aug 22 08:16:50 <Tommy> lol
Aug 22 08:17:00 <Tommy> it'd be really funny if this was a huge ploy to get webOS devices into customers' hands
Aug 22 08:17:13 <Tommy> and then once they realize they like them, wham WE'RE BACK IN BIDNESS
Aug 22 08:17:16 <Radix-wrk> if it was a ploy they should've done it aaaaages ago
Aug 22 08:17:34 <Tommy> Radix-wrk: no shit, there's been zero (sorry, i'm in #webos, i mean close to zero) interest in webOS for a long time
Aug 22 08:17:56 <TravisAntonio> Yep...
Aug 22 08:18:23 <TravisAntonio> But anyways new customers when they use WebOS they won't leave...
Aug 22 08:18:39 <Radix-wrk> it's what google has done at the last three google I/O's for the - and they sent extra devices to all devs at one point too
Aug 22 08:18:56 <Radix-wrk> for the/for android
Aug 22 08:20:09 <TravisAntonio> Guys check what I have planned to make on webos devices (specially the Touchpad due to adreno 220)   http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/292022-t-possibly-trakyng-games-projects.html
Aug 22 08:20:30 <Tommy> Radix-wrk: forget the I/O's, i got a free droid just for going to a free developer lab
Aug 22 08:20:30 <Tommy> i'm not even a developer :S
Aug 22 08:30:16 <TravisAntonio> Tommy: check your pm.
Aug 22 08:32:56 <tomhut> Morning everyone.
Aug 22 08:33:49 * gokr waiting for price drop to arrive to UK...
Aug 22 08:33:49 <TravisAntonio> Mornin
Aug 22 08:33:51 <TravisAntonio> Tom
Aug 22 08:33:51 <Alanrogers> Hi
Aug 22 08:34:04 <Alanrogers> Gokr - I've reserved every touchpad in about 50 miles
Aug 22 08:34:13 <tomhut> gokr: likwise
Aug 22 08:34:18 <tomhut> *likewise
Aug 22 08:34:18 <gokr> Alanrogers: Hehe, I have one reserved in Edinburgh :)
Aug 22 08:34:22 <gokr> Where I am right now.
Aug 22 08:34:59 <gokr> Alanrogers: Have you talked to any of the stores or?
Aug 22 08:34:59 <tomhut> havnt been able to reserve any in london
Aug 22 08:35:10 <Alanrogers> If it happens, I think it will be like Oz, where it happened in the afternoon - first they need the staff to come in, then they need to tell retail partners what to charge etc
Aug 22 08:35:29 <Alanrogers> No but I've been onto HP and the staff expect a price cut but they don't know how much or when but are guessing today.
Aug 22 08:35:30 <gokr> Perhaps I should reserve one for tomorrow too then.
Aug 22 08:36:01 <Alanrogers> gokr - if you reserve one from Argos or PC world they will hold it until the close of business tomorrow and it will disappear off the stock checkere
Aug 22 08:36:15 <gokr> Alanrogers: Yeah, same with Comet, right?
Aug 22 08:36:21 <Alanrogers> I think so
Aug 22 08:37:50 <gokr> Ok, one reserved at Comet too. The first one at Argos.
Aug 22 08:38:08 <gokr> But hell if I pay 429 pounds for it :)
Aug 22 08:38:41 <Alanrogers> I forgot comet and so have just reseved all the ones in the area!
Aug 22 08:39:04 <gokr> Funny thing, you can order from Amazon and get it delivered internationally *IFF* is actually is Amazon selling it. But their other "resellers" typically don't do international orders.
Aug 22 08:39:15 <tomhut> got one reserved at comet :D
Aug 22 08:39:19 <gokr> Hehe.
Aug 22 08:39:37 <gokr> SO I have the wireless keyboard, the touchstone and the case. But no pad :)
Aug 22 08:40:09 <mots_> hm
Aug 22 08:40:16 <gokr> So that might be a hint - you may order such accessories from Amazon and have them delivered through UPS. Worked for me.
Aug 22 08:40:25 <mots_> I'm trying to do the enyo tutorial atm
Aug 22 08:40:27 <gokr> But you get a charger with a US connector of course.
Aug 22 08:40:30 <Alanrogers> In all those companies, someone is watching the stock control system and thinking "what the hell?"
Aug 22 08:40:33 <mots_> but all I get is: [20110822-10:36:25.604955] error: Not allowed to load local resource: file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js
Aug 22 08:40:34 <mots_> [20110822-10:36:25.605035] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: MyApps is not defined, index.html:9
Aug 22 08:40:36 <mots_> help?
Aug 22 08:41:04 <gokr> mots_: Running in emulator?
Aug 22 08:41:09 <mots_> gokr, yes
Aug 22 08:41:38 <mots_> only get a white screen in chrome, too
Aug 22 08:41:49 <gokr> Hmm, odd. Have you tried a sample?
Aug 22 08:42:24 <mots_> white screen in chrome
Aug 22 08:42:27 <gokr> I think the actual URL for pointing to Enyo in index.html is not used in webOS. But for Chrome to work it needs to point correctly on your laptop.
Aug 22 08:42:41 <TravisAntonio> Mots: go at line 9 in indezx
Aug 22 08:42:43 <mots_> gokr, so full path?
Aug 22 08:42:45 <TravisAntonio> And check myapps
Aug 22 08:42:49 <TravisAntonio> Is not defined.
Aug 22 08:43:10 <gokr> I use ""../../../enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js""
Aug 22 08:43:24 <plov> just use full path to enyo.js from your machine
Aug 22 08:43:27 <mots_> TravisAntonio, well I'm only basically doing the tutorial so far
Aug 22 08:43:30 <gokr> And I copied enyo to that location on my laptop.
Aug 22 08:43:36 <mots_> I do have a enyo.kind({
Aug 22 08:43:36 <mots_>   name: "MyApps.XBMCRemote",
Aug 22 08:43:36 <mots_>  in xbmc.js
Aug 22 08:43:42 <plov> as long as the path ends in 1.0/framework/enyo.js the emulator will work too
Aug 22 08:43:42 <TravisAntonio> Take out file:///
Aug 22 08:43:45 <TravisAntonio> Is not needed
Aug 22 08:43:49 <gokr> plov: Right.
Aug 22 08:43:49 <TravisAntonio> In the index.html
Aug 22 08:44:02 <TravisAntonio> If youre going to test thru the device.
Aug 22 08:44:15 <mots_> i don't have file:// in there
Aug 22 08:44:20 <mots_> seems like the emulator did that
Aug 22 08:44:24 <gokr> mots_: What plov said.
Aug 22 08:44:24 <TravisAntonio> Oh.
Aug 22 08:44:46 <TravisAntonio> Check the route good
Aug 22 08:46:52 <plov> ugh i need to call hp to cancel an order... but you know im going to be on hold for 2 hrs from everyone trying to call to make orders
Aug 22 08:47:21 <tomhut> plov: you should okish, the deal is relatively unknown in the uk
Aug 22 08:47:25 <pipposanta> hi
Aug 22 08:47:33 <plov> oh im in US
Aug 22 08:47:38 <mots_> http://ompldr.org/vYTA0MQ/XBMC%20Remote.zip
Aug 22 08:47:41 <Hendikins> plov: What is the order for? I've got a whole list of people who would take it off your hands and reimburse you for the expense of getting rid of it.
Aug 22 08:47:42 <pipposanta> hi
Aug 22 08:47:44 <tomhut> plov: sorry didn't realise
Aug 22 08:47:50 <pipposanta> ops double hi
Aug 22 08:47:53 <mots_> could anyone take a quick look?
Aug 22 08:47:53 <Hendikins> These things are utterly unobtainable in Australia.
Aug 22 08:48:07 <mots_> doesn't render in neither chrome nor emulator
Aug 22 08:48:21 <pipposanta> anyone here could answwer me a little question about webos porting on pc?
Aug 22 08:48:27 <plov> Hendikins: it's unprocessed order / back order or something which i dont need anymore
Aug 22 08:48:42 <mots_> is the deal arriving in europe, too? if yes I'd cancel my US order and get a local one
Aug 22 08:48:49 <plov> wouldnt mailing to AU be like 30$ USD
Aug 22 08:48:53 <kesne> mots_: What's the problem with this app?
Aug 22 08:49:01 <pipposanta> or better why if I take the content of the sdk image adn try to open and html of and app i shows a blank page?
Aug 22 08:49:04 <gokr> mots_: Something is arriving we think, not sure how much.
Aug 22 08:49:06 <tomhut> mots_: not sure, looking like it will do in the next hour or so.
Aug 22 08:49:11 <mots_> kesne, doesn't render in chrome and the emulator
Aug 22 08:49:28 <tomhut> mots_: stock has been removed in the last few mins from the hp uk store, somethings happening.
Aug 22 08:50:13 <kesne> mots_: Copy the framework (everything in 1.0/framework/) to the same folder as the app, run it there.
Aug 22 08:50:27 <mots_> keep me updated, if its <=100�/16GB, I'll get an EU one
Aug 22 08:50:29 <mots_> :)
Aug 22 08:50:55 <tomhut> mots_: keep an eye on http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/292923-uk-touchpad-firesales-notification-page.html
Aug 22 08:51:10 <Hendikins> plov: 30 bucks is nothing if you can't get hold of the device.
Aug 22 08:51:45 <kesne> mots_: Just tested it, works perfect
Aug 22 08:53:36 <mots_> kesne, so I just have to copy all the files from enyo/1.0./framework to my app root?
Aug 22 08:53:45 <kesne> Well
Aug 22 08:53:54 <kesne> What I do is copy the entire 1.0 folder
Aug 22 08:53:59 * Hendikins has a WebOS fan and potential developer in Brisbane who would kill for a TouchPad right now.
Aug 22 08:54:10 <kesne> And throw that somewhere
Aug 22 08:54:38 <plov> Hendikins: why cant you just wait till they restock in the US?
Aug 22 08:54:43 <plov> and have someone ship a bunch to you
Aug 22 08:54:48 <kesne> I generally put it in my apps folder (where all of my apps are kept) and call it using <script src="../1.0/framework/enyo.js">
Aug 22 08:55:04 <Hendikins> plov: Is there an estimated time for that? I thought the product was dead.
Aug 22 08:56:26 <plov> this week
Aug 22 08:57:00 <plov> they aren't making anymore, but they are moving the warehouse stock to... wherever to keep it to ship/sell
Aug 22 08:57:26 <mots_> damnit
Aug 22 08:57:35 <gokr> Hendikins: I think you can buy from Amazon and get it delivered to AU, but it will be $593.
Aug 22 08:57:36 <mots_> why won't this work
Aug 22 08:57:51 <gokr> Hendikins: I see that "Electronica" reseller does international shipping.
Aug 22 08:58:06 <gokr> Unfortunately at a silly price.
Aug 22 08:58:17 <mots_> i have apps/XBMC Remote/index.html and apps/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js
Aug 22 08:58:24 <Hendikins> Not after any of this silly price stuff.
Aug 22 08:58:26 <mots_> <script src="../enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
Aug 22 08:58:35 <mots_> doesn't work
Aug 22 08:58:36 <mots_> :<
Aug 22 08:59:07 <mots_> Hendikins, you could try shipito.com or sth
Aug 22 08:59:11 <mots_> never used it, though
Aug 22 08:59:15 <gokr> No, wait. A 32Gb for $546 is also available for international shipping.
Aug 22 08:59:43 <Hendikins> mots: This isn't for me. I've got mine. I'm doing some scouring outside the normal channels.
Aug 22 09:00:08 <plov> always ebay
Aug 22 09:00:51 <mots> so
Aug 22 09:01:02 <mots> any idea why my stupid app doesnt work?
Aug 22 09:01:41 <plov> Hendikins: if your friend wanted 32gb..
Aug 22 09:01:59 <plov> shouldve known uh 10 hrs ago because i cancelled 2x 32gb ones that were pretty much mine
Aug 22 09:03:19 <plov> mots: are you using the full path?
Aug 22 09:03:36 <mots> plov, relative one
Aug 22 09:03:42 <mots> but full path didnt work, either
Aug 22 09:03:44 <mots> :<
Aug 22 09:03:56 <plov> whats the full path to the file?
Aug 22 09:04:01 <plov> what browser are you using?
Aug 22 09:04:56 <mots> plov, chrome and C:\Users\mots\workspace\enyo\1.0\framework
Aug 22 09:05:48 <plov> ok well i'm not 100% on windows, but take that file path
Aug 22 09:05:51 <plov> paste it into chrome
Aug 22 09:05:53 <plov> does it load?
Aug 22 09:06:28 <Hendikins> plov: 10 hours ago the AU sale hadn't even been announced, but I think he's content with "any".
Aug 22 09:07:21 <mots> plov, yes
Aug 22 09:07:40 <mots> I could try to fix my archlinux install if linux is the prefered dev platform
Aug 22 09:07:55 <plov> use that path
Aug 22 09:07:58 <mots> but tbh i can't be bothered right now, last update broke pretty much everything :)
Aug 22 09:08:48 <plov> if it still doesn't work, open up javascript console in chrome and see if there's any errors there
Aug 22 09:09:41 <mots> Not allowed to load local resource: file:///C:/Users/mots/workspace/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js
Aug 22 09:09:43 <mots> i see
Aug 22 09:09:50 <mots> seems like it didn't accept the switch
Aug 22 09:10:15 <plov> oh remove the c:/
Aug 22 09:12:25 <mots> now I get a 404
Aug 22 09:12:26 <mots> :P
Aug 22 09:12:39 <mots> i think somehow chrome doesn't accept the --allow-file-access-from-files switch
Aug 22 09:13:21 <plov> ohhh yea
Aug 22 09:14:38 <plov> try the other switches?
Aug 22 09:14:46 <plov> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial2.html
Aug 22 09:14:53 <plov> i'm using safari, so forgot all about that
Aug 22 09:19:06 <mots> tried all of them
Aug 22 09:19:39 <tomhut> precentral forums loading for anyone?
Aug 22 09:19:54 <mots> using C:\Users\mots\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe --allow-file-access-from-files  -disable-web-security --enable-file-cookies to start chrome atm
Aug 22 09:21:10 <Alanrogers> Hah - the guy from my local comet just phoned me "oh you are sure you want to reserve this touchpad? You've picked the right product?" - I guess he's narked I've reserved the only one in stock!
Aug 22 09:21:37 <tomhut> Alanrogers: haha just ordered one from comet myself.
Aug 22 09:21:59 <Alanrogers> I let him put the 32gb back in stock
Aug 22 09:22:08 <tomhut> Alanrogers: thats nice of you :P
Aug 22 09:22:56 <Alanrogers> I love firesales, brings out all the scrougers and cheapskates like me - people who pay peanuts and then expect the best
Aug 22 09:25:07 <tomhut> Alanrogers: sales of any type always bring out the best in people :)
Aug 22 09:25:13 <tomhut> consumerism at its finest haha
Aug 22 09:26:03 <Alanrogers> However since we live on treasure island, I doubt we will get a decent price cut - wonder if the Pre 3 will go down by a lot?
Aug 22 09:27:34 <tomhut> Alanrogers: Somehow I doubt it, I don't think the manufacturing run was big enough
Aug 22 09:28:02 <tomhut> Alanrogers: still appalled they put it on sale literally hours before announcing they where discontinuing it.
Aug 22 09:28:38 <Alanrogers> Yep - A lot of people hadn't even had them delivered when the news broke that they were EOL - to be fair, absolutely nobody in the WebOS business unit knew what was happening, they found out from the press statement
Aug 22 09:29:57 <tomhut> Alanrogers: Not blaming the WebOS guys at all, they have been astonishing over the years
Aug 22 09:30:38 <Alanrogers> Yeah, those guys have been really stiffed, they can't even trust their own bosses now
Aug 22 09:30:52 <tomhut> Alanrogers: all my sympathy goes out to them.
Aug 22 09:32:47 <rrix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/buy-HP-Touchpad-101-95-/170685540651 lol
Aug 22 09:36:35 <rwhitby> rrix: enterprising soul
Aug 22 09:36:43 <rrix> Indeed
Aug 22 09:36:55 * rrix sleep
Aug 22 09:37:05 <rwhitby> maybe I should sell links to http://bit.ly/phd-ac on ebay
Aug 22 09:37:07 <gokr> I wonder if the firesale is Dewitt's idea to try to buy some time before they manage to sign another manufacturer.
Aug 22 09:41:46 <Alanrogers> No chance, it actually hurts the odds of that because you can no longer estimate ARPU (Average return per user) - how many people currently owning a touchpad actually want a tablet or are simply cheap. If that was the plan they would simply keep selling them at a reduced price while looking for a licenssee
Aug 22 09:42:22 <onr> "Well I picked up 40 of them today for a new vodka bar. Now all I need is someone to create an app for my vodka menu.
Aug 22 09:42:52 <Alanrogers> As for Dewitt, don't take any notice of him, he's completely out of the loop - he found out what was happening in the Press release along with the public.
Aug 22 09:53:34 <tomhut> from hotels via pre central " Just confirmed that the UK price for the Touchpad will be £89 for 16GB and £115 for 32GB. Prices will be communicated to resellers this morning and updated on websites by this afternoon."
Aug 22 09:53:42 <tomhut> *hot deals uk
Aug 22 09:58:00 <Alanrogers> I wonder how many people are picking them up to quickly flip on ebay?
Aug 22 09:58:09 <hotdp> tomhut: do you know a retailer that delivers to eu?
Aug 22 09:58:35 <tomhut> hotdp: sorry, no
Aug 22 09:59:31 <Alanrogers> Remember if you are buying online go via a cashback site first to get additional off
Aug 22 09:59:35 <sephiap> tomhut: hotdeals url? please?
Aug 22 09:59:43 <tomhut> http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-touchpad-firesale-starts-hp-touchpad-9-7-inch-tablet-pc-16gb-glossy-black-uk/999602?page=8
Aug 22 09:59:58 <sephiap> merci :)
Aug 22 10:00:10 <tomhut> remember, take pricing with a pinch of salt until we hear through official channels
Aug 22 10:01:45 <sephiap> I've already ordered some 32GB's from the states, will try ordering a couple in the UK too incase there are any problems... so not too hung up atm :)
Aug 22 10:02:17 <sephiap> but those prices look good, I think it'll be 99 / 149 GBP, the usual 1 USD = 1 GBP shenanigans UKers get subjected to
Aug 22 10:03:35 <Alanrogers> Maybe - HP is so keen to get this mess off their hands as quick as possible, I could see £89 just to get rid of them as quick as possible
Aug 22 10:04:05 <zenitram> you should also wait for it being sold on France and Germany
Aug 22 10:04:19 <zenitram> the rest of europe will probably be 99€ / 149€
Aug 22 10:04:25 <zenitram> which is a slightly better deal for you
Aug 22 10:04:42 <sephiap> well, the US ones worked out at like 91 GBP for 32GB
Aug 22 10:05:05 <zenitram> i got the 32gb at 150€
Aug 22 10:05:05 <sephiap> + ~12 GBP shipping on each, so hoping that goes through fine more than anything
Aug 22 10:05:21 <zenitram> amazon lightning sale... 150$ + shipping + customs, to Spain
Aug 22 10:06:11 <zenitram> anyway when they're on UK, if they get to Amazon, act fast
Aug 22 10:06:24 <zenitram> half of Europe, where Amazon UK ships to, is waiting too for that event
Aug 22 10:06:55 <goz2> zenitram: any signs of TPs going in sales in Germany?
Aug 22 10:07:08 <zenitram> goz2: no idea
Aug 22 10:07:14 <zenitram> they should
Aug 22 10:07:29 <zenitram> they were launched at least in UK, France and Germany
Aug 22 10:07:37 <zenitram> and I imagine they must do anything with that stock
Aug 22 10:07:40 <gokr> tomhut: So in theory, picking up late today of a reserved one would be those prices ? ARgos and COmet?
Aug 22 10:09:42 <Alanrogers> You'd have to wait and see what the retailer says - comet is open til 8pm so if the news is slow to filter best bet to get the reduction
Aug 22 10:10:22 <tomhut> goz2: depends on the chain, some will be quick to adjust, some may take a day or two.
Aug 22 10:10:29 <sephiap> being in france does not help when it comes to reserving and collecting, sacrebleu!
Aug 22 10:10:56 <zenitram> sephiap: it is also sold in france, I imagine price will also drop there
Aug 22 10:11:23 <zenitram> at least Fnac had it yesterday (went searching for shops that would ship to Spain)
Aug 22 10:11:29 <sephiap> zenitram: I know, I get paid in CHF though, get better conversion rates on GBP than EUR atm..
Aug 22 10:11:46 * sephiap is such a cheap-skate :>
Aug 22 10:12:06 <Alanrogers> The big question is - why anyone get some unicorn tears... I mean a white touchpad? It's still on the UK site as "coming soon" - I wonder if they actually made any?
Aug 22 10:14:01 <tomhut> Alanrogers: Im sure a few made it off the production line. Not sure if they will make it into inventory though.
Aug 22 10:14:24 <Alanrogers> And there is that even more prized item - the 7" Touchpad Go.
Aug 22 10:14:53 <tomhut> Alanrogers: Doubt that ever made it into mass production sadly, webOS seems like the perfect fit for a 7" display though.
Aug 22 10:22:06 <sephiap> so, what do we reckon, will this massive upsurge in the webOS userbase make it more likely a suitor will appear to license the OS?
Aug 22 10:22:58 <tomhut> sephiap: doubt it, they will 'think beyond' the firesale
Aug 22 10:23:47 <Alanrogers> Can't see it - $99 devices bring out cheapskates not people who are interested in tablets, you'll still never convince most of them to pay the market value for a tablet.
Aug 22 10:24:11 <sephiap> it does raise an interesting question about the perceived value of these devices though
Aug 22 10:24:54 <sephiap> Apple obviously has the halo to command high prices, but uptake of Android tablets (comparatively) has been smaller
Aug 22 10:25:17 <sephiap> the article about Amazon's Kindle tablet being a loss leader, and this firesale proving the concept, was an interesting one
Aug 22 10:25:31 <sephiap> (again, based on conjecture, but food for thought)
Aug 22 10:27:36 <Alanrogers> At the moment, it's pretty true that there is an ipad market and really nothing else
Aug 22 10:28:35 <sephiap> this is the problem, people are equating 'tablet' with 'iPad'
Aug 22 10:28:52 <sephiap> much the same way as iPod became synonymous with the term 'mp3 player' for a while
Aug 22 10:28:58 <sephiap> very sad D:
Aug 22 10:29:27 <plov> lol funniest thing ive heard about the whole HP thing
Aug 22 10:29:37 <plov> imagining leo falling to the knees and yelling HURDDDDDD!
Aug 22 10:34:03 <tomhut> HP german store has it listed for €99
Aug 22 10:34:39 <plov> hows europe doing? are people running around trying to get it like in the US over the weekend?
Aug 22 10:34:44 <tomhut> http://h20386.www2.hp.com/GermanyStore/Promotion.mvc/GetPromotionCategory?PromotionCategoryId=RC148&jumpid=re_r11638_de/de/hho/psg/sezame_hpstore-ot-li-pu_chev/hpstrwebos
Aug 22 10:34:45 <plov> making major news sites
Aug 22 10:36:37 <hotdp> wuhu
Aug 22 10:37:42 <klausa> shit.
Aug 22 10:37:50 <klausa> my local hp never carried any.
Aug 22 10:37:54 <klausa> so no price reduction for me.
Aug 22 10:42:35 <zenitram> klausa: wait for Amazon UK/US/DE to carry it. they ship to most european countries
Aug 22 10:42:44 <zenitram> anyway be patient because they might release it on a lightning sale
Aug 22 10:43:40 <zenitram> i just made this. you might find it useful euroguys:
Aug 22 10:43:41 <zenitram> http://talgo.itram.es/touchpad/
Aug 22 10:43:52 <klausa> I don't care anymore. My friend is coming back from us in two weeks and he got 2 for me, of course for a little bit more then he paid for them, but whatever - it's still nothing compared to what would I pay for any other tablet.
Aug 22 10:44:16 <klausa> 525/625 PLN
Aug 22 10:44:24 <klausa> so that comes about to...
Aug 22 10:44:43 <klausa> $181/215
Aug 22 10:45:11 <zenitram> 125/150€
Aug 22 10:45:46 <klausa> Huh, when you convert it to euro it doesn't look that bad :D
Aug 22 10:46:07 <zenitram> i paid 150€ for a Amazon 32gb one shipped to Spain
Aug 22 10:46:28 <zenitram> it's still cheap. here for 150€ you can only get a cheap chinese android crappy tablet
Aug 22 10:47:42 <hotdp> german store is kin of slow
Aug 22 10:47:58 <hotdp> any other sites with eu shipping?
Aug 22 10:48:18 <madnificent> zenitram: tahnks
Aug 22 10:48:41 <zenitram> hotdp: amazon is your best bet so far
Aug 22 10:49:13 <zenitram> caution: my tracker might not track the lightning sales if they do appear
Aug 22 10:49:22 <zenitram> so don't rely only on it
Aug 22 10:49:38 <klausa> zenitram: I know.
Aug 22 10:49:39 <hotdp> zenitram: amazon has the "old" price?
Aug 22 10:49:48 <klausa> My friend bought one for like ~600 PLN.
Aug 22 10:49:57 <klausa> Battery is good for like... 2 hours.
Aug 22 10:50:03 <klausa> Resistive touchscreen.
Aug 22 10:50:07 <klausa> Android 2.2.
Aug 22 10:50:08 <zenitram> hotdp: they still do, they don't even sell itselves anywhere other than UK
Aug 22 10:50:10 <klausa> Crappy as fuck.
Aug 22 10:50:50 <tomhut> pre 3 is €79 in germany
Aug 22 10:51:06 <hotdp> tomhut: WHERE????
Aug 22 10:51:50 <tomhut> hotdp: let me get the link
Aug 22 10:51:55 <hotdp> thanks..
Aug 22 10:52:00 <tomhut> hotdp: website is crawling
Aug 22 10:52:22 <hotdp> omg, i need to have one, did you see other prices?
Aug 22 10:52:54 <klausa> You know that germany have QWERTZ layout, do you?
Aug 22 10:53:05 <hotdp> Yer i know..
Aug 22 10:53:49 <hotdp> but the uk store should follow the prices right?
Aug 22 10:54:33 <hotdp> tomhut: is it hp's store?
Aug 22 10:54:37 <tomhut> yes
Aug 22 10:54:42 <tomhut> they shoudl
Aug 22 10:55:19 <tomhut> carphonewarehouse.com is down :D
Aug 22 10:56:02 <klausa> It's fucking crazy.
Aug 22 10:56:11 <klausa> DE store is now crawling like hell.
Aug 22 10:56:15 <tomhut> yup
Aug 22 10:56:41 <phoque_uni> it's unavailable here
Aug 22 10:56:46 <hotdp> omg i want!
Aug 22 10:56:50 <phoque_uni> not the cheapest but the most reliable way to do a DDoS
Aug 22 10:56:57 <tomhut> haha
Aug 22 10:57:39 <zenitram> how much is the 32gb one in the .de store?
Aug 22 10:57:43 <phoque_uni> 130 EUR
Aug 22 10:58:01 <hotdp> omg.. damn store!
Aug 22 10:59:32 <klausa> http://h20386.www2.hp.com/GermanyStore/Product.aspx?pdetail=P183841
Aug 22 10:59:35 <klausa> Link to Pre3
Aug 22 10:59:43 <phoque_uni> how much?
Aug 22 10:59:59 <tomhut> €79 i believe
Aug 22 11:00:01 <hotdp> "Service Unavailable - DNS failure"
Aug 22 11:00:02 <phoque_uni> wow
Aug 22 11:00:03 <phoque_uni> what?
Aug 22 11:00:29 <klausa> tomhut: Yup.
Aug 22 11:00:47 <mots> so, does hp DE work for anyone?
Aug 22 11:00:49 <hucksy> damn hp store :)
Aug 22 11:00:53 <hucksy> nope
Aug 22 11:01:00 <mots> i'd love to see their logs :D
Aug 22 11:01:13 <tomhut> Really hope all the webs faithul manage to get what they want
Aug 22 11:01:26 <tomhut> and the deal lurkers don't get them all
Aug 22 11:01:33 <hucksy> a minute before, the site was open but when i add the touchpad to the basket... a popup: "undefined"
Aug 22 11:01:35 <hucksy> :)
Aug 22 11:01:42 <mots> yeah, had that too
Aug 22 11:01:57 <mots> tomhut, on slickdeals there was a guy with 92 pieces
Aug 22 11:02:01 <hucksy> but atm, not even that
Aug 22 11:03:50 <gokr> I got a gateway timeout, and now "Service Unavailable".
Aug 22 11:04:01 <hucksy> :) yeah
Aug 22 11:04:12 <gokr> So the backend probably said byebye.
Aug 22 11:04:18 <hucksy> oh, the touchpad site is open
Aug 22 11:04:27 <hucksy> but no luck when i try to add
Aug 22 11:04:27 <Alanrogers> I have three in my germany basket - just trying to pay
Aug 22 11:04:37 <gokr> Hehe.
Aug 22 11:04:47 <hotdp> Alanrogers: same her
Aug 22 11:04:58 <leiru> wow
Aug 22 11:05:04 <leiru> ddos
Aug 22 11:05:29 <zenitram> my sources tell me HP France shop is also down
Aug 22 11:08:23 <leiru> so, i wouldn't buy hp servers - they seem to be crappy
Aug 22 11:08:39 <zenitram> it's not the servers, it's what is running inside them :P
Aug 22 11:08:58 <tomhut> zenitram: HP enterprise software...
Aug 22 11:09:13 <tomhut> they should exit that business and concentrate on making good hardware
Aug 22 11:09:14 <tomhut> oh...
Aug 22 11:09:26 <zenitram> exactly
Aug 22 11:09:33 <zenitram> the small business US store was IN ASP
Aug 22 11:09:36 <zenitram> not ASP.net even
Aug 22 11:09:40 <tomhut> haha
Aug 22 11:10:07 <zenitram> france store is already down, yet the price is still the old one. common backends?
Aug 22 11:10:32 <tomhut> zenitram: guessing euro stores all run on one backend
Aug 22 11:10:45 <hucksy> bad idea in this case ;)
Aug 22 11:11:22 <tomhut> hucksy: probably not worth their while investing in more hardware for one day
Aug 22 11:11:31 <tomhut> hucksy: this is why the cloud rules
Aug 22 11:12:45 <hucksy> uhm... i think its worth if a company like hp which sells 2 pcs per second can sell anything in a whole country for (maybe) hours
Aug 22 11:12:53 <hucksy> *cant
Aug 22 11:13:08 <hucksy> ok, anything only.. but still
Aug 22 11:13:12 <hucksy> *online
Aug 22 11:13:14 <hucksy> meh
Aug 22 11:14:19 <hotdp> are all the places offline?
Aug 22 11:15:13 <hucksy> i heard that there are more staates with problems, but only france/germany is bad for HP i think
Aug 22 11:15:48 <hotdp> I see
Aug 22 11:15:57 <hotdp> I just i will get one and a pre 3 :P
Aug 22 11:16:03 <hotdp> Did someone see the veer price?
Aug 22 11:16:09 <hucksy> me too ;)
Aug 22 11:16:13 <hucksy> 59
Aug 22 11:16:14 <hucksy> eur
Aug 22 11:16:32 <Hendikins> Well, Whirlpool users love the TouchPad.
Aug 22 11:16:48 <rwhitby> Hendikins: till they try and buy apps?
Aug 22 11:17:09 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Actually it seems most of them don't even realise they're missing paid apps.
Aug 22 11:17:55 <mots> wow, hp's server products are really convincing
Aug 22 11:18:04 <mots> good thing they're refocusing their company on those
Aug 22 11:18:14 <hucksy> :D
Aug 22 11:18:21 <Hendikins> What I find most interesting is how many bought it looking to put Android on it, then found they actually like WebOS.
Aug 22 11:19:02 <Hendikins> Killing it may be the best marketing they ever did for WebOS.
Aug 22 11:19:11 <gokr> I hope UK stores will drop prices later today - I have two reserved TPs :)
Aug 22 11:19:34 <phoque_uni> does anybody know how much the veer is in the german store?
Aug 22 11:19:36 <hucksy> [13:15] <Hendikins> Killing it may be the best marketing they ever did for WebOS. <- ack
Aug 22 11:19:42 <hotdp> Hendikins: yer lets hope a buyer sees that :D
Aug 22 11:19:43 <hucksy> 59eur
Aug 22 11:19:48 <phoque_uni> thanks
Aug 22 11:19:54 <hucksy> np
Aug 22 11:21:18 <mots> so
Aug 22 11:21:27 <mots> who actually managed to place an order  @ HP DE?
Aug 22 11:21:34 <phoque_uni> gf says "Take a Pre3 to be on the safe side. In case the Veer page loads again, take that one instead"
Aug 22 11:21:37 <phoque_uni> :-D
Aug 22 11:21:53 <Hendikins> hucksy: It is sad, but the way it sold in Australia today speaks for itself.
Aug 22 11:22:19 <hucksy> yep
Aug 22 11:22:32 <Hendikins> With the size of the queues and number of phone calls Harvey Norman stores got today, they could have sold 5 or more times what they had.
Aug 22 11:22:45 <Hendikins> Some of the stores in cities had queues hundreds deep.
Aug 22 11:23:30 <hucksy> funny... how all the people even know about that (that fast..)?
Aug 22 11:23:46 <Hendikins> The media.
Aug 22 11:24:16 <hucksy> hm ok, right. the biggest german newssite hast an article about the firesale in US
Aug 22 11:24:29 <hucksy> but not about the german
Aug 22 11:24:55 <Hendikins> hucksy: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/exec-tech/harvey-norman-sells-touchpad-at-100/story-e6frgazf-1226119630371 (and other mainstream media)
Aug 22 11:24:57 <klausa> There is dropbox app for webOS?
Aug 22 11:25:12 <hucksy> ah k
Aug 22 11:25:30 <tomhut> klausa: think its built in system wide
Aug 22 11:25:39 <phoque_uni> not really
Aug 22 11:25:44 <zenitram> WTF
Aug 22 11:25:49 <phoque_uni> each app has to re-implement the API itself
Aug 22 11:25:54 <zenitram> a HP Touchpad in eBay Spain for 3€.... +299€ shipping
Aug 22 11:26:11 <klausa> yeah, if I can browse my files I'm good.
Aug 22 11:26:20 <Hendikins> I just hope they realise that WebOS devices will move if the price is right, and that there is in fact a market for it.
Aug 22 11:26:47 <klausa> Hendikins: They are losing shitload of money on that 'sale'.
Aug 22 11:27:17 <Hendikins> klausa: True. But they probably could have moved units without losing so much.
Aug 22 11:27:48 <Hendikins> As far as reductions go, that was a ridiculous cut.
Aug 22 11:28:21 <mots> if they made lots of money with apps, they could be selling those as loss leader
Aug 22 11:28:23 <Alanrogers> Sure you can find a market for any product, if you are willing to take losses of over $150 per unit - means nothing about the inherent value of the product
Aug 22 11:28:25 <klausa> Components of touchpads are $300 alone.
Aug 22 11:28:34 <mots> like sony did with the ps3
Aug 22 11:28:39 <klausa> Not to mention marketing, shippiing, etc etc.
Aug 22 11:28:51 <klausa> mots: That's not a good comparision.
Aug 22 11:29:08 <sephiap> argh damn you DNS errors
Aug 22 11:29:17 <Alanrogers> mots - it's impossible - they take a 30% cut of apps which generally retail for a couple of dollars, they would need every user to spend in the region of $500 on apps to breakeven - it's a non-starter.
Aug 22 11:29:18 <Hendikins> mots: Well... that could be difficult. But there would be happy medium somewhere.
Aug 22 11:29:19 <mots> klausa, of course 99$ are too extreme
Aug 22 11:29:31 <klausa> mots: Consoles are more or less useless without games.
Aug 22 11:29:34 <mots> but slight  losses could be acceptable
Aug 22 11:29:47 <klausa> While I'm not gonna pay for any app on my Touchpad, ever.
Aug 22 11:30:03 <klausa> If someone manages to write good ssh client, then I'll be happy to shell out some cash.
Aug 22 11:30:04 <Hendikins> Besides, getting a userbase by this method that actually likes it could result in future sales if products existed.
Aug 22 11:30:11 <klausa> But other than that - I don't see reason to.
Aug 22 11:30:24 <klausa> I mean - there's no apps that I would pay for.
Aug 22 11:31:47 <fxspec06_> touchpad is out for delivery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 22 11:31:53 <sephiap> has anyone got a pre3 through DE?
Aug 22 11:32:47 <hucksy> nope
Aug 22 11:32:57 <hucksy> still trying to buy on hp.de
Aug 22 11:33:35 <sephiap> you're getting DNS errors and references too I guess?
Aug 22 11:33:45 <fxspec06_> i'm gonna have to watch my window all day long -.-
Aug 22 11:33:46 <rwhitby> klausa: you gotta buy http://bit.ly/phd-ac ;)
Aug 22 11:33:54 <sephiap> good thing HP have such 'scale' ;)
Aug 22 11:35:11 <klausa> BTW, I wonder wheter I'll be able to purchase anything from App Catalog, at all.
Aug 22 11:35:29 <rwhitby> klausa: where are you located?
Aug 22 11:35:36 <klausa> Poland.
Aug 22 11:35:54 <rwhitby> make sure you choose UK for your app catalog country
Aug 22 11:36:26 <rwhitby> or Germany if that's easier for the credit card side of things
Aug 22 11:36:55 <rwhitby> Poland is never going to get paid apps, you can be sure of that.
Aug 22 11:37:58 <klausa> We'll see when I get mine on 5/6 September whether I'll be able to buy that.
Aug 22 11:38:05 <klausa> But you have my word, I'll try :)
Aug 22 11:40:21 <klausa> So what's the deal with no SSH clients on webOS.
Aug 22 11:40:34 <Alanrogers> Klausa - I have no interest in paying for apps either, just want a cheap tablet for lying on the sofa
Aug 22 11:40:54 <klausa> XTerm and OpenSSH have that little impact on battery, or just nobody gives a shit?
Aug 22 11:41:09 <rwhitby> what impact?
Aug 22 11:41:37 <tomhut> "If only they had developed an tablet where the screen would fade and need replacing with fresh HP consumables, they wouldn't be in this situation now." :-P
Aug 22 11:43:25 <klausa> rwhitby: I thought XTerm requires XServer to be running (which, I imagine, webOS isn't running internally) - and that I imagine requires much CPU power - which in turns turns 8h of batery life to 4.
Aug 22 11:43:29 <klausa> Or am I wrong?
Aug 22 11:43:56 <rwhitby> XServer uses select(), just like any other event-driven app.
Aug 22 11:45:02 <rwhitby> when the device is asleep and clocks are off, it doesn't matter how many processes are suspended.
Aug 22 11:46:41 <klausa> 13:40 <@rwhitby> XServer uses select(), just like any other event-driven app.
Aug 22 11:46:49 <klausa> I have actually no idea what that means.
Aug 22 11:47:04 <rwhitby> it means it only does stuff when you do stuff.
Aug 22 11:48:08 <klausa> Yeah, but I imagine running XTerm does much more stuff in the background than, say, mail app.
Aug 22 11:48:28 <klausa> Which equals shorter battery life.
Aug 22 11:48:36 <klausa> Unless I'm mistaken - then that's great.
Aug 22 11:48:52 <rwhitby> sure, but only when you're doing stuff
Aug 22 11:50:22 <klausa> So it runs around 8 hours 'normally' - how much can I expect it to last with XTerm open?
Aug 22 11:50:29 <klausa> (TouchPad, I mean.)
Aug 22 11:50:55 <zenitram> but why XTerm?
Aug 22 11:51:00 <zenitram> isn't there any native terminal app?
Aug 22 11:51:02 <rwhitby> dunno, I'll be happy to hear your test results
Aug 22 11:51:28 <jrabbit> zenitram: I'm sure someone can write one.
Aug 22 11:51:33 <jrabbit> theres one in nodejs
Aug 22 11:51:34 <jrabbit> for osx
Aug 22 11:51:59 <rrix> The only node ones I could find either use tty plugin, which isn't in the webos biuld, or didn't have source available
Aug 22 11:52:13 <zenitram> aren't there any ssh clients?
Aug 22 11:52:30 <jrabbit> https://github.com/unconed/TermKit
Aug 22 11:52:53 <rrix> Not really. There was SDLterminal but it only works in webos 2.x or 1.x
Aug 22 11:52:56 <jrabbit> porting that to webos' js/webkit probably wouldn't be too hard
Aug 22 11:53:09 <rrix> I just checked out the code for it and lo and behold there's no build files for it, so ...
Aug 22 11:53:59 <klausa> I think I saw putty for webOS, but it wasn't adjusted for TouchPad, so whatever.
Aug 22 11:53:59 <rrix> termkit, I thought this was something different
Aug 22 11:54:51 <jrabbit> rrix: its flashy and reimagines the terminal but not exactly :)
Aug 22 11:55:10 <rrix> Yes, this was the thingy I was thinking of
Aug 22 11:55:15 <rrix> the frontend is weird :)
Aug 22 11:55:19 <rrix> but the backend, let's see
Aug 22 11:56:03 <zenitram> this might work
Aug 22 11:56:04 <zenitram> http://antony.lesuisse.org/software/ajaxterm/
Aug 22 11:56:53 <klausa> I just want to able to connect to my remote screen sessions.
Aug 22 11:56:57 <klausa> Then, I'm happy.
Aug 22 11:57:15 <rrix> zenitram: ajaxterm is a python thing, it works if you install python through ipkg-opt
Aug 22 11:57:18 <jrabbit> xterm works then :P
Aug 22 11:57:27 <rrix> But porting it to node is a no-go
Aug 22 11:57:39 <rrix> It uses pty, again node.js on webos doesn't have pty/tty support
Aug 22 11:57:49 <jrabbit> atleast theres coffeescript :\
Aug 22 11:58:13 <jrabbit> lol how did they manage to remove ttys?
Aug 22 11:58:38 <rrix> Used the Source :P
Aug 22 11:58:49 <rrix> There's also anyterm which ... doesn't work for some reason
Aug 22 11:59:00 <rrix> "Subprocess terminated" when I run it
Aug 22 11:59:05 <rrix> or rather connect to it
Aug 22 11:59:09 <jrabbit> and why on earth would you want to remove ttys.
Aug 22 11:59:22 <rrix> jrabbit: to keep people from using them
Aug 22 11:59:31 <jrabbit> rrix: oh you mean you can ACCESS them
Aug 22 11:59:36 <jrabbit> thats totally different
Aug 22 12:00:02 <rrix> wha?
Aug 22 12:00:17 <rrix> There's still TTY on the device, there's just not a node.js tty plugin
Aug 22 12:00:22 <rrix> that's what I was trying to say :)
Aug 22 12:00:26 <jrabbit> :P
Aug 22 12:00:39 * jrabbit doesn't really care anout nodejs
Aug 22 12:01:04 <rrix> well, backend services are written in Node
Aug 22 12:01:10 <rrix> Unfortunately :)
Aug 22 12:01:48 <leiru> phone lines dead
Aug 22 12:01:52 <leiru> server dead
Aug 22 12:01:55 <leiru> pre3!
Aug 22 12:01:56 <jrabbit> might as well be perl to me :P
Aug 22 12:01:57 <klausa> Can't you just recompile node?
Aug 22 12:02:14 <klausa> I'd imagine that would be easier than shoving xserver on?
Aug 22 12:02:24 <rrix> By some definitions of easier
Aug 22 12:02:29 <rrix> xserver isn't clobbering system files
Aug 22 12:02:42 <rrix> I don't trust rwhitby *that* much :P
Aug 22 12:02:43 <jrabbit> system files schmistem files
Aug 22 12:04:49 <rrix> I really need control-c in xterm. I keep fatfingering :\
Aug 22 12:05:29 <zenitram> can't backend stuff be programmed on C / C++?
Aug 22 12:06:47 <rrix> I don't know the exact rules if you want it in the appcat, but you can do that for homebrew
Aug 22 12:06:56 <rrix> Which I tried with Anyterm but it doesn't work on the device
Aug 22 12:07:33 <jrabbit> zenitram: yeah the pdk has buildtools for it
Aug 22 12:08:24 * rrix clones termkit and sees what he can do with it
Aug 22 12:08:56 <jrabbit> rrix: http://twitter.com/#!/TermKit/status/80841281055625216
Aug 22 12:09:14 <jrabbit> theres a freendoe chan and beginings of a linux port effort
Aug 22 12:09:35 <rrix> Nice
Aug 22 12:09:54 * fxspec06_ just left a msg on door for UPS guy to honk
Aug 22 12:10:37 <jrabbit> rrix: http://twitpic.com/55o3gp
Aug 22 12:10:58 <jrabbit> its plausible!
Aug 22 12:11:33 <fxspec06_> you can run anything on the touchpad..
Aug 22 12:11:35 <rrix> it would appear so
Aug 22 12:11:39 <klausa> jrabbit: That tweet is over two months old.
Aug 22 12:11:49 <jrabbit> yes
Aug 22 12:12:01 <rrix> why is my connection so slow, I should not be downloading at 136kib
Aug 22 12:12:05 <jrabbit> klausa: two months of hackage!
Aug 22 12:12:10 <jrabbit> its good news
Aug 22 12:13:07 * rrix wonders if termkit's backend could even be used with a "standard" frontend
Aug 22 12:13:14 <rrix> Could I attach screen on it?
Aug 22 12:13:35 <rrix> TermKit is not a....
Aug 22 12:13:41 <rrix> ...Full terminal emulator. It does not aim to e.g. host 'vim'.
Aug 22 12:14:18 <fxspec06> if you had the right drivers, there are mini-usb to hdmi / dvi converters
Aug 22 12:14:21 <rrix> Sounds like a no-go for me
Aug 22 12:14:28 <NuSuey> fxspec06, hai
Aug 22 12:14:34 <fxspec06> hello all
Aug 22 12:15:10 <fxspec06> good morning NuSuey
Aug 22 12:15:18 <NuSuey> i bought the touchpad from B&N .. through shipito .. BUT......
Aug 22 12:15:27 <fxspec06> uh oh..
Aug 22 12:15:29 <NuSuey> now i receive a error from B&N .. that ..
Aug 22 12:15:42 <rrix> It has been shipped on a GHOST TRAIN?
Aug 22 12:15:48 <NuSuey> Unable to process order. Please call 1-877-379-0036, or 212-414-6024, if outside U.S.
Aug 22 12:15:56 <fxspec06> so call the number!!!!!!!!!
Aug 22 12:15:59 <fxspec06> =O
Aug 22 12:16:09 <NuSuey> tried. didnt work.. guess it needs some numbers more
Aug 22 12:16:19 <NuSuey> some international thingies or something
Aug 22 12:16:25 <rrix> +1?
Aug 22 12:17:05 <NuSuey> tried now. dont work
Aug 22 12:17:14 <rrix> maybe their phone line is overloaded, lol
Aug 22 12:17:27 <NuSuey> i used the Contact Customer Service .. on BN site
Aug 22 12:17:32 <fxspec06> wait, barns andnobel sells touchpads?
Aug 22 12:17:39 <NuSuey> so, i wait for the mail
Aug 22 12:17:40 <NuSuey> yup
Aug 22 12:17:40 <rrix> yeah
Aug 22 12:17:50 <fxspec06> heh
Aug 22 12:17:51 <fxspec06> brb
Aug 22 12:18:01 <NuSuey> btw. now in germany HP is selling hp touchpads for ~ 99 euros
Aug 22 12:18:08 <NuSuey> maybe i should cancel B&N ;/
Aug 22 12:18:14 <NuSuey> if there was a possibility to do so
Aug 22 12:18:16 <NuSuey> but i cant
Aug 22 12:19:24 <zenitram> you can call the US number using Gmail
Aug 22 12:19:26 * rrix goes to find a snack while the rest of this repo clones
Aug 22 12:20:24 <NuSuey> zenitram, eh? how the hel.. then i would need to have some cash on my google account call thingie..
Aug 22 12:21:04 <rrix> No food in my part of the fridge :(
Aug 22 12:22:05 <rrix> Mile's walk to mexican food? y/y
Aug 22 12:23:15 <NuSuey> i have pizza in the fridge at work
Aug 22 12:23:27 <rrix> gimme :P
Aug 22 12:23:36 <rrix> it's 5:20, need breakfast since I'm not gonna sleep
Aug 22 12:25:54 <NuSuey> its 14:22 (2:22pm) here allready
Aug 22 12:26:07 <NuSuey> havent eaten for hours
Aug 22 12:28:11 <sephiap> argh is anyone having any luck getting through the cart process on DE?
Aug 22 12:28:15 <leiru> i am trying for an hour now to place my order on HP germany
Aug 22 12:28:25 <phoque_uni> me too
Aug 22 12:28:28 <sephiap> yeah it keeps timing out
Aug 22 12:28:33 <sephiap> c'mon HP, take my money!
Aug 22 12:29:04 <sephiap> I get to 'please wait' on SimpleCart but it never resolves.
Aug 22 12:29:37 <NuSuey> leiru, you are from?
Aug 22 12:29:44 <NuSuey> sephiap, you too?
Aug 22 12:30:08 <sephiap> switzerland atm
Aug 22 12:30:14 <tomhut> official uk pricing
Aug 22 12:30:17 <tomhut> £89/£115
Aug 22 12:30:21 <tomhut> from HP teelesales
Aug 22 12:30:24 <tomhut> *telesales
Aug 22 12:30:48 <NuSuey> tomhut, what what?
Aug 22 12:31:15 <tomhut> UK pricing
Aug 22 12:32:26 <Alanrogers> Hot damn I reckon 2pm?
Aug 22 12:32:29 <sephiap> tomhut: did they give an ETA for the prices?
Aug 22 12:32:31 <tomhut> likewise
Aug 22 12:32:40 <tomhut> sephiap: they said keep an eye on the website for further information
Aug 22 12:32:45 <fxspec06> hm
Aug 22 12:32:46 <gokr1> tomhut: But can't see new pricing in Argos/Comet yet AFAICT.
Aug 22 12:32:50 <tomhut> sephiap: and to expect an announcement shortly
Aug 22 12:35:25 <gokr1> If they match those prices then I will be buying both that I have reserved :)
Aug 22 12:35:52 <tomhut> from what i can tell most high street stores will be putting new pricing in place for tomorrow
Aug 22 12:37:14 <gokr1> tomhut: Hmmm, ok.
Aug 22 12:38:33 <phoque_uni> nothing to see here
Aug 22 12:38:38 <phoque_uni> please, everybody leave the store now
Aug 22 12:38:55 <zenitram> NuSuey: (went to have lunch) Gmail (Google Voice) calls to US are free
Aug 22 12:39:17 <NuSuey> zenitram, you cant have google voice in slovakia :)
Aug 22 12:39:21 <NuSuey> google voice is US only
Aug 22 12:39:22 <NuSuey> ;)
Aug 22 12:39:28 <NuSuey> cant activate
Aug 22 12:39:36 <fxspec06> does anyone know how to make a free trial?
Aug 22 12:39:41 <zenitram> not Google Voice
Aug 22 12:39:43 <zenitram> from Gmail
Aug 22 12:39:49 <zenitram> if you set the language from English(US)
Aug 22 12:39:58 <zenitram> you can call using the Google Talk at the side
Aug 22 12:40:53 <directhex> pre3!
Aug 22 12:42:47 <sephiap> argh google de won't ship to switzerland?! nooo!
Aug 22 12:42:57 <sephiap> err hp de*
Aug 22 12:43:10 <hotdp> :o
Aug 22 12:43:12 <hotdp> dns error here
Aug 22 12:43:18 <fxspec06> is there any palm supported way to do free trial app
Aug 22 12:43:20 <NuSuey> zenitram, i'll try when i come home.. im at work now
Aug 22 12:43:30 <zenitram> ok, it works, at least in spain
Aug 22 12:43:36 <NuSuey> sephiap, are you in the webpage? can you check if it ships to slovakia?:D
Aug 22 12:43:53 <zenitram> they only ship to Germany
Aug 22 12:43:54 <zenitram> nowhere else
Aug 22 12:43:58 <sephiap> ^this
Aug 22 12:44:03 <NuSuey> zenitram, evil bastards
Aug 22 12:44:09 <directhex> sooo, why isn't the webos internals terminal app showing in preware?
Aug 22 12:44:10 <sephiap> I was hoping switzerland was close enough, :(
Aug 22 12:44:19 <NuSuey> zenitram, oh. but i have a colleague from germany..hhmhmh..
Aug 22 12:44:28 <zenitram> your best bet is probably Amazon
Aug 22 12:44:34 <zenitram> if/when they sell it there
Aug 22 12:44:36 <phoque_uni> any news if O2 will drop the price on the Veer too in Germany?
Aug 22 12:47:36 <NuSuey> bah. still no email from B&N
Aug 22 12:47:37 <NuSuey> gr
Aug 22 12:48:21 <gokr1> tomhut: Darnit, my first reservation ends today ;)
Aug 22 12:48:36 <LABcrab> Hey people!  What do i do with the webOS doctor?  Can i use it with Linux?
Aug 22 12:48:41 <LABcrab> gokr1: HP TouchPad?
Aug 22 12:48:43 <tomhut> gokr1: likewise
Aug 22 12:48:46 <phoque_uni> LABcrab, yes, you can
Aug 22 12:48:49 <tomhut> gokr1: there is always hp.com
Aug 22 12:48:52 <phoque_uni> it's a .jar file
Aug 22 12:48:52 <onr> someone in the forum tells amazon is secretly producing webos tablets
Aug 22 12:49:01 <phoque_uni> java -jar webosdoctorimage
Aug 22 12:49:03 <phoque_uni> or something
Aug 22 12:49:05 <zenitram> there is stock from Amazon on Amazon UK, at full price
Aug 22 12:49:16 <gokr1> Yeah, I have one reserved at Argos being released today, and one at Comet released tomorrow.
Aug 22 12:49:16 <rwhitby> onr: what's the source?
Aug 22 12:49:25 <loic_m> onr> not sure it's real
Aug 22 12:49:30 <zenitram> some people from Slickdeals bought the US version at full price at Amazon and then asked for a price match and they did it
Aug 22 12:49:34 <zenitram> it might work on amazon UK
Aug 22 12:50:17 <LABcrab> phoque_uni: Aimes-tu les lions de mer?  Est-ce que le fichier permet d'accéder la TouchPad, même sous Linux?
Aug 22 12:50:26 <phoque_uni> LABcrab, sorry, german.
Aug 22 12:50:28 <phoque_uni> :-D
Aug 22 12:51:02 <onr> rwhitby: his feelings, https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=88778#p88778
Aug 22 12:51:12 <gokr1> hp.com... well, they don't deliver to the whole Europe, do they?
Aug 22 12:51:31 <rwhitby> onr: oh, speculation.
Aug 22 12:53:42 <gokr1> By the way, when you say "hp.com" what URL are you actually referring to?
Aug 22 12:56:16 <phoque_uni> h212312.www13132.hp.com, isn't it obvious?
Aug 22 12:56:17 <phoque_uni> ;-)
Aug 22 12:56:35 <LABcrab> phoque_uni: Does accessing the TouchPad with the doctor work with Linux
Aug 22 12:56:45 <phoque_uni> LABcrab, yes
Aug 22 12:56:45 <gokr1> phoque_uni: That url does not fly for me.
Aug 22 12:56:49 <cba123> I just got a TouchPad, but can't seem to get Preware installed.  It's just stuck on "Installing" in webos quickinstall.  Any ideas?
Aug 22 12:56:52 <phoque_uni> but what do you mean by "accessing"?
Aug 22 12:56:59 <phoque_uni> gokr1, I was only joking
Aug 22 12:57:12 <gokr1> Oh.
Aug 22 12:57:22 <Hendikins> cba123: Don't have the device in USB drive mode when installing.
Aug 22 12:57:28 <phoque_uni> LABcrab, the webOS Doctor is for restoring the TP to factory defaults
Aug 22 12:57:38 <phoque_uni> you can gain shell access using novaterm
Aug 22 12:57:40 <cba123> It isn't in USB drive mode
Aug 22 12:57:44 <phoque_uni> wich is also available for Linux
Aug 22 12:57:48 <cba123> Hendikins, It isn't in USB drive mode
Aug 22 12:58:06 <LABcrab> phoque_uni: How safe is it to install Android?
Aug 22 12:58:20 <phoque_uni> LABcrab, you cannot install Android yet
Aug 22 12:58:29 <phoque_uni> people in #touchdroid are trying to get it to run
Aug 22 13:00:06 <Shadows`work> so android and ubuntu and webos triple boot?
Aug 22 13:00:08 <Shadows`work> would be win
Aug 22 13:03:51 <LABcrab> Shadows`work: But Ubuntu isn't really built for tablets.
Aug 22 13:04:50 <cba123> Hendikins, I rebooted the Touchpad, and it installed
Aug 22 13:09:53 <gokr1> Anyone knows if these Carphonewarehouse stores actually normally carry stock? Wondering if it is worth walking by any of them.
Aug 22 13:09:56 <gokr1> In UK that is.
Aug 22 13:10:59 <leiru> i was able to order via phone!
Aug 22 13:11:00 <leiru> pre3!
Aug 22 13:12:12 <hotdp> leiru_ uk ?
Aug 22 13:13:06 <sephiap> leiru: which country are you in?
Aug 22 13:13:55 <leiru> germany
Aug 22 13:14:37 <leiru> you can order touchpads there too, €99
Aug 22 13:14:49 <loic_m> leiru> any link ?
Aug 22 13:14:59 <leiru> +49 180 5736324
Aug 22 13:15:28 <sephiap> yeah but they don't ship out of germany, which sucks for me :P
Aug 22 13:15:32 <booto> is there a standard webos terminal app?
Aug 22 13:16:26 <gokr1> Interesting, so many people in this channel now... before this started we were around 140 I think.
Aug 22 13:18:37 <leiru> i think soon will drop amazon.co.uk
Aug 22 13:18:38 <leiru> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0054689MQ/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_g147_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1CWZSTQ39BGNA5DYHFCG&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294
Aug 22 13:19:01 <matbee|cottage> boop
Aug 22 13:20:44 <gokr1> amazon co uk delivers to Sweden, nice.
Aug 22 13:20:54 <gokr1> But price is still... too steep :)
Aug 22 13:21:26 <PatrickBregman> does anyone know of a webshop in Germany which still caries the Touchpad?
Aug 22 13:22:22 <leiru> PatrickBregman: http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/90420268/hp-touchpad-32gb-webos.asp?agent=760
Aug 22 13:22:32 <leiru> PatrickBregman: http://www.t-online-shop.de/hp-touchpad-fb368ua-24-6cm-dual-core-1gb-32gb-bt-webos--88255/?ref=affilinet
Aug 22 13:22:44 <LABcrab> So now that webOS Doctor is done downloading, what do i do?  Sorry, the instructions erased.
Aug 22 13:22:55 <PatrickBregman> hmm :/ no discount yet there :(
Aug 22 13:23:30 <LABcrab> And this is the Jar.  How do i run it in Ubuntu?
Aug 22 13:24:33 <PatrickBregman> Guess I'll wait for my order from the US of A :(
Aug 22 13:26:17 <LABcrab> When i connect the tablet to my laptop, nothing happens!  :O
Aug 22 13:29:50 <Lazar_Dobrescu> what did you want to happen?
Aug 22 13:30:42 <madnificent> has hp announced a low price for the eu?
Aug 22 13:31:14 <fxspec06> LABcrab: what'd you do to your pad?
Aug 22 13:32:16 <LABcrab> fxspec06: Locked password.
Aug 22 13:32:23 <Lazar_Dobrescu> is it in dev mode?
Aug 22 13:32:23 <leiru> LABcrab: set exucatable flag while installed Java
Aug 22 13:32:44 <LABcrab> leiru: Done.  Now i'm at the "connect phone to computer" screen, nothing happens.
Aug 22 13:32:48 <gokr1> madnificent: Not yet, I think tomhut have some info from stores etc that indicates the new price will come into effect for tomorrow - for "high street stores".
Aug 22 13:32:51 <fxspec06> oh you can't login to it.
Aug 22 13:32:54 <Lazar_Dobrescu> is your phone in dev mode or in recovery mode?
Aug 22 13:33:08 <tomhut> yes, high street tomorrow, hp.com in the coming hours by the looks of things
Aug 22 13:33:33 <madnificent> gokr1: but I'd need to order it online for sure... belgium doesn't stock them, I think
Aug 22 13:33:38 <fxspec06> press and hold power and volume up, and hit the card button (may take more than one time). The tab will reboot. AS SOON as it turns off, press and hold volume up to put into recovery mode. you will see lightning bolt
Aug 22 13:33:41 <LABcrab> fxspec06 & Lazar_Dobrescu: The tablet is in USB drive mode but the screen is password locked.
Aug 22 13:33:50 <Lazar_Dobrescu> it must not be in usb drive mode for doctoring
Aug 22 13:33:54 <madnificent> so i should be able to order them from hp.com for cheap in the next few hours?
Aug 22 13:34:03 <Lazar_Dobrescu> do what fxspec06_ said to put it in recovery mode
Aug 22 13:34:08 <fxspec06> when you see lightning bolt plug in w/ usb and next should appear
Aug 22 13:34:16 <fxspec06> (why isn't there any documentation on this?)
Aug 22 13:35:02 <LABcrab> fxspec06: i know!  :D  i see a USB logo.  Restart?
Aug 22 13:35:29 <SteveNM> hello all
Aug 22 13:35:45 <LABcrab> fxspec06: Because they don't want people to steal phones or tablets?
Aug 22 13:35:52 <SteveNM> Have you gotten many questions about the HP Touchpad recently?
Aug 22 13:36:07 <Lazar_Dobrescu> LABcrab: they provide the doctors so they should provide the doc to use them anyway
Aug 22 13:36:46 <fxspec06> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover >>> this is the documentation, unofficial
Aug 22 13:36:54 <LABcrab> Lazar_Dobrescu: USB logo = start again?
Aug 22 13:36:55 <SteveNM> I was lucky enough to get a touchpad 32GB this last weekend :)
Aug 22 13:36:56 <fxspec06> also that page is for pre, not touchpad updated yet
Aug 22 13:37:07 <Lazar_Dobrescu> usb logo or usb drive logo?
Aug 22 13:37:21 <Lazar_Dobrescu> I'm not sure for touchpads but for phone I think big usb logo with nothing else on screen is recovery mode
Aug 22 13:37:51 <SteveNM> Lazar, do you see me?
Aug 22 13:37:53 <fxspec06> it should be lightning bolt
Aug 22 13:38:07 <LABcrab> Lazar_Dobrescu: It's not lightning bolt like fxspec06 says.
Aug 22 13:38:09 <Lazar_Dobrescu> SteveNM: see you? Are you on a webcam
Aug 22 13:38:21 <Lazar_Dobrescu> LABcrab: he knows best :) make it a lightning bold.
Aug 22 13:38:21 <SteveNM> Just see that I am in the room, thanks :)
Aug 22 13:38:57 <SteveNM> It is hard to believe that i have used the IRC for 17 years
Aug 22 13:39:28 <LABcrab> fxspec06: But you can't remove the battery like the instructions say!
Aug 22 13:39:59 <madnificent> can i, as a belgian, order from the german hp site?
Aug 22 13:40:07 <Lazar_Dobrescu> LABcrab: I dont think you should need to
Aug 22 13:40:14 <Lazar_Dobrescu> do as fxspec06_ said earlier
Aug 22 13:40:17 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: does the German HP site have a discount already then?
Aug 22 13:40:17 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/288502-solved-well-i-bricked-my-touchpad.html
Aug 22 13:40:20 <Lazar_Dobrescu> reboot it then hold volume up
Aug 22 13:40:36 <hucksy> PatrickBregman: jep
Aug 22 13:40:42 <LABcrab> fxspec06: All i see is the USB logo.
Aug 22 13:40:44 <sampson> LABcrab: is your touchpad charged
Aug 22 13:40:56 <sampson> and is it in devmode
Aug 22 13:40:57 <PatrickBregman> hucksy: why can't I find it then >_<
Aug 22 13:40:58 <hucksy> but the german shop is down
Aug 22 13:41:03 <PatrickBregman> ah, that explains :)
Aug 22 13:41:11 <hucksy> 2-3 hours now
Aug 22 13:41:21 <hucksy> dont buy hp servers, i think ;)
Aug 22 13:41:27 <fxspec06> that wasn't a very good link
Aug 22 13:41:28 <LABcrab> sampson: Partly.
Aug 22 13:41:29 <fxspec06> ****e. Restart/Start-up you device holding the Power button and the Volume Up button (This boots the device into Recovery Mode) You will know if you are successful if you see the USB logo on your screen.
Aug 22 13:41:31 <PatrickBregman> That's the best reason to react to this, yes XD
Aug 22 13:41:42 <fxspec06> THERE, that's how you do it
Aug 22 13:41:45 <sampson> partly?
Aug 22 13:41:45 <fxspec06> do that
Aug 22 13:42:34 <fxspec06> usb logo should show up. so yes, it's usb logo, i thought it was lightning. i could have got confused
Aug 22 13:42:57 <fxspec06> let me know if you don't see the next button after you connect
Aug 22 13:43:00 <fxspec06> could be a driver issue
Aug 22 13:43:12 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/3083898-post1.html
Aug 22 13:43:31 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: no, but i'd like to know in case it receives the discount in the near future.
Aug 22 13:43:37 <sampson> if you enabled dev mode before imploding your touchpad try opening a novaterm console while your phone is in the usb logo mode
Aug 22 13:43:41 <SteveNM> I am researching how to hack the Touchpad before I even try.  Does anyone have a suggested step-by-step guide that they recommend?
Aug 22 13:43:47 <sampson> if it doesn't pop up then your computer is not setup properly
Aug 22 13:43:57 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: I suppose you should be able to. I want to try it as well (ordering from the Netherlands)
Aug 22 13:44:05 <LABcrab> fxspec06: Ubuntu.
Aug 22 13:44:19 <Lazar_Dobrescu> SteveNM: what do you mean by hack?
Aug 22 13:44:24 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: ah, i won't be alone trying then :)  the dutch store doesn't stock it either?
Aug 22 13:44:31 <PatrickBregman> I already have a grouporder coming from the USA, but that's gonna be quite expensive I think... So if I can get one from Germany as well, I might be able to sell it off
Aug 22 13:44:42 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: hmm... I didn't even know they had a Dutch store XD
Aug 22 13:44:46 <SteveNM> lazar, overclock, homebrew, etc
Aug 22 13:45:01 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: they have a belgian store, how could they not have a dutch one? :P
Aug 22 13:45:07 <LABcrab> Is it true that they will bury the TouchPad?
Aug 22 13:45:10 <PatrickBregman> that's try :)
Aug 22 13:45:25 <PatrickBregman> LABcrab: it sure looks like it, they said they will be dropping support
Aug 22 13:45:41 <LABcrab> PatrickBregman: Literally bury it like Atari buried ET?
Aug 22 13:45:45 <SteveNM> Lab, they are discontining it.  I am looking forward to when they start dumping PCs
Aug 22 13:45:48 <madnificent> also, the 32GB model has an updated cpu as well, am i missing anything else?
Aug 22 13:46:02 <LABcrab> madnificent: 1.2 Ghz instead of what?
Aug 22 13:46:06 <leiru> madnificent: you mean the white 64gb?
Aug 22 13:46:26 <madnificent> leiru: ah, that's where my confusion hopped in, i guess
Aug 22 13:46:37 <Lazar_Dobrescu> SteveNM: you can get Preware Homebrew Documentation app in app catalog.
Aug 22 13:46:41 <madnificent> so the 16GB and the 32GB models are roughly the same?
Aug 22 13:47:06 <phoque_uni> madnificent, they are the same, except for flash memory size
Aug 22 13:47:12 <Lazar_Dobrescu> they are the same, except one has 16GB the other 32GB
Aug 22 13:47:16 <madnificent> ok, thanks
Aug 22 13:47:55 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: hmm... I can only find a HP promotional store :( No product store...
Aug 22 13:49:01 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: odd, then I must've been mistaken a few moments ago
Aug 22 13:49:13 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: got a link to the .be store maybe?
Aug 22 13:49:30 <leiru> http://t.co/vKCZ8QC
Aug 22 13:49:34 <leiru> american guys
Aug 22 13:49:38 <leiru> barnes and nobles
Aug 22 13:49:50 <LABcrab> i have to use Windows fxspec06?
Aug 22 13:49:57 <SteveNM> Yep, sold out already
Aug 22 13:50:08 <leiru> oh i just saw it :/
Aug 22 13:50:10 <SteveNM> fatwallet.com reported it about 15 minutes ago
Aug 22 13:51:34 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: it didn't pop up when i googled it just now... so i guess i may have been mistaken
Aug 22 13:51:51 <PatrickBregman> well, we all are humans :) Stuff like that happens
Aug 22 13:52:08 <madnificent> you are what ?!?!?!
Aug 22 13:52:16 <SteveNM> see you in a bit.  I need to go run an errand
Aug 22 13:53:05 <HattCzech_work> morning, all
Aug 22 13:53:25 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: ah, i went to hp.com and then tried to search for the touchpad for belgium.  the site still looked the same, but the touchpad wasn't on there.  given an unclear brain, that probably explains my error.
Aug 22 13:57:14 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: well, I believe HP was saying that customers from the Netherlands should buy from the UK Store... So I think you should be able to order it outside of Belgium
Aug 22 13:57:27 <PatrickBregman> I am actually gonna try to do it in Germany, euro is easier than british pounds :)
Aug 22 13:57:56 <mots> so
Aug 22 13:58:10 <mots> did anyone succeed in ordering a touchpad anywhere in the eu?
Aug 22 13:58:11 <PatrickBregman> oi! Amazon.de just upped the price O.o
Aug 22 13:58:21 <PatrickBregman> mots: mine should be on it's way
Aug 22 13:58:31 <PatrickBregman> a friend of mine did a grouporder
Aug 22 13:58:36 <mots> PatrickBregman, where did you get it?
Aug 22 13:58:37 <klausa> mots: I asked my friends to grab one for me from US, but I suppose that doesn't count.
Aug 22 13:58:45 <matbee|cottage> I have no idea where the hell to buy a touchpad
Aug 22 13:58:47 <matbee|cottage> in canada
Aug 22 13:58:47 <mots> klausa, yeah, same thing here
Aug 22 13:58:54 <mots> but I'd prefer a EU one
Aug 22 13:58:58 <mots> usps is slow as fuck
Aug 22 13:59:01 <mots> and they might break it
Aug 22 13:59:06 <matbee> usps will break it
Aug 22 13:59:12 <matbee> i bought a solar panel through usps
Aug 22 13:59:16 <klausa> He's coming back from US 5.09
Aug 22 13:59:16 <matbee> it came in a billion pieces
Aug 22 13:59:21 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: yea,h I'd prefer to use euro as well
Aug 22 13:59:23 <PatrickBregman> mots: I don't know, I'd have to try and get to him...
Aug 22 13:59:24 <klausa> Only thing I worry about is customs.
Aug 22 13:59:37 <LABcrab> hello!  i cannot use the Doctor with Ubuntu!  Help please!
Aug 22 13:59:40 <klausa> (And guys at airport playing catch with his luggage)
Aug 22 13:59:44 <eberon> local radio shack has 1 left this morning
Aug 22 14:00:06 <PatrickBregman> I'm trying to get one from Germany as well, damn you HP store :(
Aug 22 14:00:24 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: huh?  i still see the expensive price on amazon.de
Aug 22 14:00:38 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: oh, upped, not dropped
Aug 22 14:00:42 <madnificent> sheesh, dumb bran
Aug 22 14:00:43 <madnificent> brain
Aug 22 14:02:24 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: good morning :)
Aug 22 14:03:37 <phoque_uni> hooray, the Pre3's somehow dropped from my shopping cart
Aug 22 14:03:46 <gokr1> mots: I have two reserved in stores in Edinburgh. So yeah, but not at discounted price.
Aug 22 14:05:21 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: 'too much work makes jack a dull boy' (if you remember the screensaver from the early debian days)
Aug 22 14:05:45 <PatrickBregman> madnificent: it was also the font test text from some Windows machines, right?
Aug 22 14:06:03 <matbee> so, did you guys hear of MS giving out free phones to webos dev's?
Aug 22 14:06:37 <madnificent> PatrickBregman: i haven't toyed with windows enough to know, but it may certainly have been so!
Aug 22 14:07:01 <PatrickBregman> matbee: yeah, but it requires you to have actually published some apps
Aug 22 14:07:04 <madnificent> matbee: it was in the forums iirc, palm will write you a letter of recommendation
Aug 22 14:07:12 <matbee> oh yeah?
Aug 22 14:07:25 <matbee> that'd be awesome
Aug 22 14:07:32 <matbee> It's sad to see this huge evacuation
Aug 22 14:08:12 <gokr1> Btw, met a guy here at the conference who works for the Mango team. Or actually, he works on the stuff coming after the stuff that comes after Mango :). Perhaps I should pump him a bit.
Aug 22 14:09:05 <madnificent> i don't think i will continue to develop for phones.  i loved webos and i was willing to spend time on the development of it, but i don't like other platforms as much
Aug 22 14:09:53 <PatrickBregman> Windows Phone looks nice, but I dislike Java/Android and don't have the money for an iDevice...
Aug 22 14:10:53 <phoque_uni> madnificent, same here
Aug 22 14:11:00 <cwayne> apparently there's free WP7 devices for anyone published in webos app catalog
Aug 22 14:11:16 <phoque_uni> cwayne, I know
Aug 22 14:11:27 <cwayne> phoque_uni: cool
Aug 22 14:11:31 <phoque_uni> does one have to develop a WM app in order to get one?
Aug 22 14:12:03 <madnificent> phoque_uni: yeah, that's what i wanted to ask... i'd look at it, but i'm not sure i'd dev for it
Aug 22 14:12:05 <Alanrogers> It's amazing how Palm and then HP managed to string so many people along for so long - and are still doing it "don't worry, good things in the future"
Aug 22 14:12:41 <madnificent> Alanrogers: even without that news, i would've devved for webos.  i'd do it again as well
Aug 22 14:12:42 <dgarbs> at least right now, if I was a webos dev, I would try to pump out a few apps to capitalize on the amount of new users
Aug 22 14:13:05 <dgarbs> since the catalog is so small, exposure is huge
Aug 22 14:13:08 <madnificent> what i seriously dislike, is them blatantly changing course, regardless of the effects for current devs AND (more importantly) current users
Aug 22 14:13:16 <Alanrogers> Dgarbs - right - there will be a surge that will last about a month - best to fill your boots while you get the chance.
Aug 22 14:13:27 <dgarbs> I guess time will tell
Aug 22 14:13:37 <dgarbs> i hope webOS has a future but w ho knows
Aug 22 14:13:46 <madnificent> no matter how much they sell now, you will not make a profit from it
Aug 22 14:13:57 <madnificent> given the sales i've seen so far, it's kind of sad
Aug 22 14:14:07 <kevets> almost 7000 guests on the PC forums - not sure how much it normally has but that seems pretty strong
Aug 22 14:14:08 <PatrickBregman> indeed, most users want it to install Android on it :(
Aug 22 14:14:13 <PatrickBregman> waste of hardware...
Aug 22 14:14:22 <PatrickBregman> at least try to install Meego then :P
Aug 22 14:14:34 <gokr1> If a hw manufacturer steps up to the plate - we should be back to business I think. And possibly in a better shape too since the user base got a bump out of this.
Aug 22 14:14:46 <roue> the OS doesn't matter to regular users. They care about the available software.
Aug 22 14:14:54 <Alanrogers> Kevets - a lot of people asking 1) Does this run Android? 2) Where's the document editing? and 3) This has no HDMI out port?
Aug 22 14:14:57 <gokr1> But an announcements needs to come within a few weeks, otherwise all devs will have left.
Aug 22 14:15:04 <kevets> lol yeah
Aug 22 14:15:19 <madnificent> to me, they are looting the beauty of webos.
Aug 22 14:15:22 <klausa> roue: It OS has most of the functionality baked in - no, they don't.
Aug 22 14:15:23 <madnificent> it hurts a bit
Aug 22 14:15:34 <kevets> Alanrogers: well at least 2 of those 3 can easily be resolved by developers and future hardware partners (hopefully)
Aug 22 14:15:37 <Alanrogers> I think that's a pipe-dream - even if they could sign an agreement tomorrow, you'd have to be looking at at least a year for new hardware unless they rushed junk onto the market
Aug 22 14:15:38 <madnificent> it's like the touchpad is being forced into prostitution
Aug 22 14:15:53 <klausa> Honestly, only app I really care about is ssh client.
Aug 22 14:16:04 <madnificent> incf klausa
Aug 22 14:16:14 <klausa> ?
Aug 22 14:16:55 <madnificent> right, that's klausa++ in C
Aug 22 14:17:04 <dgarbs> 90% of the touchpads bought this weekend will not get android
Aug 22 14:17:15 <madnificent> (and I should've written (incf klausa), i guess
Aug 22 14:17:35 <dgarbs> only the uber geeks are going to do that
Aug 22 14:17:48 <ramitos> i believe people that are buying TP's without knowing webOS will like it
Aug 22 14:18:00 <klausa> Holy shit, someone who writes lisp outside of Hacker News or #lisp.
Aug 22 14:18:01 <ramitos> and maybe the platform can survive
Aug 22 14:18:04 <klausa> Nice to meet you.
Aug 22 14:18:05 <roue> until they can't play angry birds.
Aug 22 14:18:19 <klausa> roue: They can!
Aug 22 14:18:22 <roue> really?
Aug 22 14:18:24 <klausa> Isn't it awesome?
Aug 22 14:18:26 <klausa> Yup.
Aug 22 14:18:30 <roue> had no idea.
Aug 22 14:18:30 <madnificent> klausa: lol, you write lisp?
Aug 22 14:18:49 <Alanrogers> Sure but ain't going to pay market value for a tablet that's the problem with a firesale - you suck in all the em... "thrifty" users
Aug 22 14:18:49 <klausa> madnificent: No, but I friend who *loves* it and I hear about it *a lot*.
Aug 22 14:19:01 <roue> maybe there is hope after all :P
Aug 22 14:19:04 <klausa> So I know a little bit, by accident.
Aug 22 14:19:30 <Tibfib> w00t got the order confirmation for my touchpad
Aug 22 14:19:36 <ramitos> i learned LISP at school this year, and i actually like it :)
Aug 22 14:19:42 <klausa> Which lisp?
Aug 22 14:19:44 <klausa> Clojure?
Aug 22 14:19:46 <klausa> Scheme?
Aug 22 14:19:53 <madnificent> i try to shut up about it as much as i can... loosing webos is one of those stabs through my heart.  seeing devs learn java, c, or c++ are other stabs :)
Aug 22 14:19:57 <ramitos> i thik
Aug 22 14:20:01 <ramitos> common lisp
Aug 22 14:20:02 <klausa> At sschool probably means Scheme.
Aug 22 14:20:08 <klausa> Oh, wow!
Aug 22 14:20:10 <ramitos> think
Aug 22 14:20:12 <madnificent> klausa: common lisp.  i'd be in doubt to say that scheme is bad.  i seriously dislike clojure at themoment
Aug 22 14:20:28 <madnificent> and i need to wake up
Aug 22 14:20:39 <ramitos> its not a normal language, but its fun
Aug 22 14:20:39 <madnificent> wait, this is lisp talk on #webos... surreal
Aug 22 14:20:49 <rboatright> Well, since webos is programed in Javascript, and since Javascript is scheme written with C like syntax, you ought to be right at home.
Aug 22 14:21:01 <LABcrab> Does anyone have *any* clue on how to use Doctor with Ubuntu?
Aug 22 14:21:12 <gokr1> I am working on using Smalltalk for webOS app development...
Aug 22 14:21:20 <Tibfib> LABcrab: people in #webos-internals would be more likely to know
Aug 22 14:21:42 <madnificent> rboatright: that's one of the reasons why i don't mind javascript
Aug 22 14:21:50 <rboatright> LABcrab -- should just work...  what's the problem?
Aug 22 14:22:03 <madnificent> though comparing javascript and scheme is still somewhat odd.  comparing javascript in common lisp is just silly.
Aug 22 14:22:04 <ramitos> rboatright the thing is that LISP has a really weird but fun syntax
Aug 22 14:22:22 <klausa> But yeah, I'm kind of fond of Lisp, since I guy I met at #lisp-pl bought 2 Touchpads for me:)
Aug 22 14:22:41 <rboatright> (L)ots of (I)nfernal (S)tupid (P)arenthesis
Aug 22 14:22:48 <phoque_uni> LABcrab, it's just a .jar file. just use "java -jar <file>"
Aug 22 14:22:52 <madnificent> klausa: cool
Aug 22 14:23:01 <ramitos> rboatright, LOL :)
Aug 22 14:23:28 <madnificent> lisp simply allows you to write stuff in days, that would've taken weeks in other systems
Aug 22 14:23:41 <klausa> LISP IS LIKE LIVING IN THE JETSONS, EVERYTHING IS RETRO BUT YOU GET A FLYING CAR
Aug 22 14:23:52 <LABcrab> phoque_uni: Yeah, but nothing happens on the screen it asks you to connect the phone.  rboatright
Aug 22 14:24:08 <phoque_uni> did you download the correct doctor?
Aug 22 14:24:10 <klausa> Lisp = Lots of Insignificant Stupid Parentheses
Aug 22 14:24:16 <phoque_uni> and what are you trying to do by the way?
Aug 22 14:25:02 <ramitos> i learned LISP in the IA class. so my exercices were very IA focused
Aug 22 14:25:08 <klausa>  we are the lisp, prepare to be enclosed in parentheses, resistance is futile
Aug 22 14:25:27 <ramitos> AI*
Aug 22 14:25:36 <madnificent> ramitos: it's sad that lisp became big in AI, it's really as good in ai as it is in many many other fields
Aug 22 14:25:57 <klausa> 2parentheses1lisp
Aug 22 14:26:04 <klausa> Some people use LISP for everything and then, suddenly, bracket
Aug 22 14:26:22 <klausa> http://geekfun.pl/lisp_via_d4rky.png
Aug 22 14:26:43 <phoque_uni> LABcrab, what are you trying to do
Aug 22 14:26:54 <klausa> Aaaand done, I don't have any more lisp-quotes.
Aug 22 14:27:02 <ramitos> madnificent i really don't know. I didn't used it in any real world problem other that AI algorithms :S
Aug 22 14:27:38 <johnfromnix> klausa: hilarious stuff
Aug 22 14:28:18 <madnificent> ramitos: as do most people... and that's how something utterly great doesn't get used
Aug 22 14:29:12 <madnificent> ramitos: that, and people making fun of what they don't know.  it's like java priests trying to convince python followers that either of them is best.  no one looks at facts, or so it seems.
Aug 22 14:29:15 <larss> klausa please find some more, we need more noise in the channel
Aug 22 14:29:34 <klausa> I have 100+ more, but in polish.
Aug 22 14:30:06 <klausa> I guess I could paste them, but I would be probably the only one to understand.
Aug 22 14:30:49 <Tibfib> we could pretend we understand and laugh along?
Aug 22 14:31:02 <ramitos> madnificent i think its also because its syntax. I think i C sintax. When i'm programming LISP i allways have to stop some time to remember what i've learned.And i was the best in class, and every time i had to stop to try to remember whow things are done
Aug 22 14:31:04 <Tibfib> LOL THAT'S HILARIOUS!!!
Aug 22 14:31:19 <Tibfib> YOU'RE KILLING ME klausa!!!
Aug 22 14:31:35 <klausa> Tibfib: No, I didn't want to kill you.
Aug 22 14:31:39 <klausa> I'm to young to go to prison.
Aug 22 14:31:45 <klausa> Shit, I'm gonna get raped?
Aug 22 14:31:50 <ramitos> klausa  LOL :D
Aug 22 14:32:36 <madnificent> ramitos: but it grows on you... it took me less time to learn the lisp syntax than it took me to learn the syntax of algol like languages
Aug 22 14:33:04 <klausa> I agree.
Aug 22 14:33:09 <fxspec06> wooo i made a facebook fan page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wildn-Video-Poker/257205427630548
Aug 22 14:33:28 <ramitos> madnificent yes, it grows. At the end of the class is fast fast fast code ^^
Aug 22 14:33:30 <madnificent> ramitos: it's a point that's quite often unfairly made against lisp.  the syntax in itself is rather simple and pretty.  especially as it integrates so nicely with extensions you can make as a user... but i do understand that it scares people
Aug 22 14:33:48 <klausa> Reverse Polish (hooray, we did something important in CS history!) Notation is fucking weird when you look at it first time, but when you get used to it you start to really aprreciate it.
Aug 22 14:34:36 <ramitos> madnificent the thing is: at the benigning almost everyone at my class hated-it. At the end, everyone liked to code in LISP and think its fun :)
Aug 22 14:35:29 <madnificent> ramitos: the world could've contained more solutions, if only we hadn't made so much dumb decisions.
Aug 22 14:35:35 * madnificent is off for a second
Aug 22 14:35:42 <ramitos> madnificent :)
Aug 22 14:35:44 <madnificent> probably back in 30 minutes or so
Aug 22 14:39:29 <leiru> wheew
Aug 22 14:40:06 <leiru> it's like christmas and bday the same day, 99€ TP and 79€ pre 3 in europe
Aug 22 14:40:45 <rboatright> if pre3's were multi-band and supported US bands I would have you buy me one.  :-)
Aug 22 14:41:00 <PatrickBregman> Too much LISP here... *runs back to #django* :P
Aug 22 14:41:19 <PatrickBregman> leiru: where?
Aug 22 14:42:08 <PatrickBregman> I could certainly use a new phone :P
Aug 22 14:42:27 <LABcrab> Faile.
Aug 22 14:42:28 <phoque_uni> leiru, PatrickBregman, they're all sold out
Aug 22 14:42:35 <PatrickBregman> damn :(
Aug 22 14:42:37 <dcousineau> no such thing as too much lisp
Aug 22 14:43:05 <phoque_uni> I am desperately trying to get to checkout
Aug 22 14:43:16 <LABcrab> The recovery fails.
Aug 22 14:43:57 <mots> damn
Aug 22 14:44:01 <mots> still no luck
Aug 22 14:44:02 <dwc-> palm eurostore doesn't have that pricing :\
Aug 22 14:44:05 <LABcrab> 4%
Aug 22 14:44:10 <LABcrab> 8%
Aug 22 14:44:14 <LABcrab> 9%
Aug 22 14:44:25 <PatrickBregman> dwc-: yeah :( for that price I want a Pre3 :)
Aug 22 14:44:46 <LABcrab> Big arrow and 12%!  Arrow points to a chip!  :D
Aug 22 14:44:55 <PatrickBregman> Veer is kinda cheap: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B004YZF14C/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_g23_i6?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1Z5CJMG40DRGHAN8WMV5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375173&pf_rd_i=301128
Aug 22 14:45:09 <phoque_uni> but only kinda
Aug 22 14:45:15 <phoque_uni> it was 60 EUR before
Aug 22 14:45:33 <PatrickBregman> yeah :(
Aug 22 14:45:47 <javispedro> I love it that Amazon has been suggesting me for a while to buy a Veer and a Pre3 as they are "commonly sold together".
Aug 22 14:46:21 <dwc-> hmm, if euro pre3s don't have any US 3g bands, travelers just get screwed?
Aug 22 14:46:35 <esser> dwc-: they get data-screwed
Aug 22 14:46:41 <esser> but voice and EDGE data will still work
Aug 22 14:46:44 <PatrickBregman> I couldn't care less, I am not planning any trips to USA
Aug 22 14:46:50 <PatrickBregman> the other side of the globe though... :P
Aug 22 14:46:57 <esser> on either t-mobile or AT&T, depending on whom your provider has a roaming agreement with
Aug 22 14:47:02 <dwc-> yea, I know voice/edge works. that's on the 2g quad-band radio
Aug 22 14:47:19 <esser> dwc-: AT&T uses the EU bands for 3G
Aug 22 14:47:34 <esser> so if your provider roams with them, you should be able to get high-speed data
Aug 22 14:47:37 <esser> but it will cost a fortune
Aug 22 14:47:38 * dwc- is on t-mobile with EDGE anyways
Aug 22 14:47:39 <plov> did anyone order from bn.com last night?
Aug 22 14:48:01 <PatrickBregman> unless you have T-Mobile in the Netherlands, you can buy data for outside of the NEtherlands pretty cheap them
Aug 22 14:48:09 <PatrickBregman> I believe €15 for a week of unlimited data
Aug 22 14:48:18 <PatrickBregman> dunno if other T-Mobile's also do that...
Aug 22 14:48:22 <esser> PatrickBregman: if you're happy with EDGE in the US, yeah
Aug 22 14:48:47 <esser> T-Mobile NL will def roam on T-Mobile US
Aug 22 14:48:49 <PatrickBregman> I suppose T-Mobile roams with T-Mobile, and they have 3G in mayor cities
Aug 22 14:48:59 <esser> hence AWS band, hence your euro pre won't like it
Aug 22 14:49:13 * dwc- pays $5/mo for unlimited data, so is fine with not having 3G bands
Aug 22 14:49:44 <esser> yeah i actually use an unlocked iPhone 4 on T-Mobile US because I don't actually need high speed data *in* the US; only when i travel to europe
Aug 22 14:50:16 <directhex> rboatright, according to the bottom of the box: UMTS 900/1900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900
Aug 22 14:50:33 <LABcrab> 100% recovered TouchPad.  Success.  Thanks!  :D
Aug 22 14:50:37 <klausa> dwc-: Wow, whwere do you live?
Aug 22 14:50:38 <PatrickBregman> yay you!
Aug 22 14:50:52 <dwc-> klausa: usa
Aug 22 14:51:20 <klausa> Huh.
Aug 22 14:51:22 <PatrickBregman> hmm... I'm thinking about getting the HP Veer... Any reason why I shouldn't? (except the stopped support)
Aug 22 14:51:29 <dwc-> 2G only though
Aug 22 14:51:32 <klausa> Ah.
Aug 22 14:51:46 <dwc-> old dumbphone data plan
Aug 22 14:52:09 <dwc-> well, actually I could probably put it in a 3g dumbphone and they wouldn't complain
Aug 22 14:52:18 <dwc-> but they'd probably get upset if I put it in a 3g smartphone
Aug 22 14:53:19 <esser> dwc-: yeah, they read user agents on web use
Aug 22 14:53:27 <dwc-> directhex: if it's 900/1900/2100, the 1900 will work at 3g in some places in the US
Aug 22 14:53:27 <esser> so if you drop it in a t-mo 3G smartphone,
Aug 22 14:53:32 <esser> they wull just not route your traffic
Aug 22 14:53:34 <esser> it will say like
Aug 22 14:53:38 <esser> "Please upgrade your plan"
Aug 22 14:53:39 <esser> etc etc
Aug 22 14:54:10 <esser> dwc-: directhex: don't take that for granted. with that frequency set, you must use AT&T to use 3G. and your provider may just not have a peering agreement with them
Aug 22 14:54:33 <esser> for example, O2 does, but T-Mobile (any euro country) def does not
Aug 22 14:54:37 <dwc-> I was thinking more of for AT&T customers
Aug 22 14:54:44 <plov> dudeeeeeeessszssseesm grr
Aug 22 14:54:53 <plov> bn.com orders pretty much all got cancelled from yesterday
Aug 22 14:55:32 <pakl> plov: wha? cancelled?  How about the onsale amazon ones?
Aug 22 14:55:35 <directhex> esser, if you're able to afford transatlantic data roaming, you can afford to buy an iphone 5 locally then throw it away at the end of your visit - it's likely a cheaper option than paying £10 per megabyte
Aug 22 14:55:49 <plov> pakl: i dont know, didnt order from them
Aug 22 14:56:05 <esser> directhex: i dont use my US SIM in europe
Aug 22 14:56:23 <dwc-> I would get a prepaid sim card rather than pay for roaming data in the US
Aug 22 14:56:26 <plov> my bestbuy orders need to ship though!
Aug 22 14:58:17 <Alanrogers> man.. I can't believe HP are stringing this out for UK customers, either have the bloody sale or say something
Aug 22 14:58:55 * dwc- disappears to see what the palm HQ campus store has for sale
Aug 22 14:59:11 <dwc-> (hopefully some cheap stuff in-stock)
Aug 22 14:59:45 <PatrickBregman> Alanrogers: or just EU customers in general
Aug 22 15:00:00 <PatrickBregman> AFAIK the only country that had sales is the US of A :(
Aug 22 15:00:28 <Alanrogers> PAtrick - they have had it in Germany this morning
Aug 22 15:00:39 <PatrickBregman> damnit... missed it again :(
Aug 22 15:00:52 <onr> PatrickBregman: dont worry. hp will have to sell all touchpads for $99. what else they can do?
Aug 22 15:01:01 <PatrickBregman> yeah, that's true
Aug 22 15:01:19 <PatrickBregman> I also hope to get my hands on a WebOS phone, would be a nice replacement for my aging Nokia N900
Aug 22 15:01:29 <leiru> pre 3 out on germany store
Aug 22 15:01:41 <leiru> they just called me that my phone order was cancelled
Aug 22 15:01:55 <leiru> as they submitted it, when it just got empty
Aug 22 15:01:56 <esser> the Veer thing is kind of a shame
Aug 22 15:01:59 <leiru> :((
Aug 22 15:02:02 <esser> that is totally the form factor i am looking for
Aug 22 15:02:14 <esser> i dont give a flying fuck about 7" screens and surround sound on my phone
Aug 22 15:02:37 <PatrickBregman> esser: yeah, I saw that... WTF is with that resolution? O_O
Aug 22 15:02:40 <Bmyers> wait till u r older
Aug 22 15:02:44 <klausa> It's a shame you can't get decent canbyar QWERTY with normal OS now.
Aug 22 15:02:47 <madnificent> leiru: where?
Aug 22 15:02:59 <madnificent> leiru: at that price I might order a pre3 as well
Aug 22 15:03:05 <klausa> Only contender is Droid Pro I think, but that's not even available outside US.
Aug 22 15:03:14 <esser> klausa: yeah. Blackberry Pearl was farking awesome
Aug 22 15:03:28 <klausa> I had Nokia E63 for 2 years.
Aug 22 15:03:31 * gokr1 trying to run an Enyo app on Pre 2 - bundling whole Enyo...
Aug 22 15:03:52 <klausa> Now I'm running Desire Z and I think that candybar is superior to slider.
Aug 22 15:04:13 <klausa> canbyar qwerty to slider qwerty that is, I can't even look at phones without hardware keyboard anymore.
Aug 22 15:04:27 <PatrickBregman> yeah, hardware keyb. is a requirement for me as well
Aug 22 15:04:30 <PatrickBregman> it's just awesome
Aug 22 15:04:52 <klausa> If symbian weren't more or less dead I'd get E6 (and if it weren't so damn expensive).
Aug 22 15:05:06 <klausa> Nokia E6 look really awesome.
Aug 22 15:05:08 <Bmyers> do any other BT KB's work with TP?
Aug 22 15:05:18 <Bmyers> aside from hp's?
Aug 22 15:05:45 <Lumiere> I would assume any BT keyboard would work, but I doubt you'd get any of the keybindings
Aug 22 15:05:52 <Lumiere> for things like card view and volume
Aug 22 15:06:16 * Lumiere just wishes the BT keyboard had some keyboard bindings for things like changing cards
Aug 22 15:06:24 <esser> Bmyers: nobody in my family has ever needed glasses :D
Aug 22 15:06:26 <klausa> VGA resolution at 2.5" is even more than iPhones.
Aug 22 15:07:18 <klausa> Or at least really near that.
Aug 22 15:07:21 <Bmyers> esser:  had to go with an evo or wear glasses. luv'n the evo..
Aug 22 15:07:23 <klausa> 330PPI.
Aug 22 15:09:01 <esser> i am rather fond of my iPhone 4 aside from the fact that it's a bit too large
Aug 22 15:09:10 <esser> if it were about 75% of it's current size, i would be ecstatic
Aug 22 15:09:35 <Shadows`work> iphone 4 is TOO large?
Aug 22 15:09:44 <Shadows`work> double you tee eff
Aug 22 15:09:45 <esser> yes
Aug 22 15:10:06 <Shadows`work> worlds smallest hands?
Aug 22 15:10:28 <esser> no, i just dont like to notice a phone in my pocket
Aug 22 15:10:44 <esser> if the iphone 4 didn't exist, i would have bought the veer. unlocked. in cash. from the store. day of release
Aug 22 15:10:49 <johnfromnix> esser, I'm with you. Pre-format is best size for me too
Aug 22 15:10:53 <Shadows`work> i have a d1, which is bigger than an iphone 4
Aug 22 15:10:57 <Shadows`work> and i don't feel it in my pocket
Aug 22 15:11:15 <esser> Shadows`work: i'm pretty sure that this is exactly why they make phones in multiple form factors
Aug 22 15:11:25 <esser> what is total blow for me, might be great for you, and vice versa
Aug 22 15:11:43 <Shadows`work> 4.3" = perfect
Aug 22 15:12:01 <plov> veer..lol
Aug 22 15:12:12 <esser> i was happy as a clam with my LG C1300 for ages
Aug 22 15:12:17 <esser> until some douche decided that i need mobile email
Aug 22 15:12:53 <Bmyers> i like watching video on my phone. 4.2" form factor is good for that
Aug 22 15:12:58 <Shadows`work> 4.2?
Aug 22 15:13:24 <Bmyers> evo
Aug 22 15:13:49 <directhex> http://yfrog.com/z/h4s6bgp
Aug 22 15:13:50 <Shadows`work> evo is not 4.2
Aug 22 15:14:02 <Bmyers> was i 1/10th of an inch off?
Aug 22 15:14:02 <Shadows`work> evo is 4.3 :)
Aug 22 15:14:15 <Bmyers> 4 and change. hows that?
Aug 22 15:14:19 <Shadows`work> that .1 matters!
Aug 22 15:14:28 <Shadows`work> you don't want it to feel left out and then turn itself off!
Aug 22 15:14:36 <klausa> I don't even know what size my phone has.
Aug 22 15:14:43 <klausa> And honestly, I don't give a shit.
Aug 22 15:14:50 <klausa> I just wish it had better OS.
Aug 22 15:14:56 <Shadows`work> is it webos? :3
Aug 22 15:15:02 <Bmyers> Shadows`work: thats what she said..
Aug 22 15:15:06 <madnificent> the pre and pre2 have the perfect screen size for my usage
Aug 22 15:15:14 <madnificent> i'd dare to try out the veer, but i don't know about it
Aug 22 15:15:14 <klausa> Shadows`work: I have HTC Desire Z.
Aug 22 15:15:25 <Shadows`work> isn't that on Gingerbread?
Aug 22 15:15:31 <klausa> It is.
Aug 22 15:15:40 <Shadows`work> it'll last you until ICS :p
Aug 22 15:15:47 <phoque_uni> jeez... everything sold out, yet the HP servers won't come back up
Aug 22 15:15:52 <klausa> Whatever.
Aug 22 15:15:54 <esser> obviously, the most perfect phone ever created is the Nokia 3360
Aug 22 15:15:59 <ctladvance> Ugh it's to small for me, I have an iPhone 4, if they launch an iPhone 5 with a bigger screen I will probably buy it
Aug 22 15:16:04 <klausa> I'm not changing it for two years.
Aug 22 15:16:10 <ctladvance> By EOY
Aug 22 15:16:15 <Shadows`work> klausa: ICS will get on the desire z
Aug 22 15:16:16 <Shadows`work> lol
Aug 22 15:16:25 <klausa> Shadows`work: I don't think it will.
Aug 22 15:16:28 <ctladvance> An that's the pre that's to small
Aug 22 15:16:42 <klausa> Shadows`work: But it'd be really cool if it did.
Aug 22 15:16:46 <Shadows`work> klausa: why not?
Aug 22 15:16:55 <Shadows`work> i mean, htc's only mostly douchey
Aug 22 15:18:07 <klausa> I'm pretty sure there's DesireZ successor just right around the corner - that *will* get ICS, but I doubt they'd port it to old hardware.
Aug 22 15:18:08 <Shadows`work> i will say android isn't the best, but there's far worse you could be using
Aug 22 15:18:32 <klausa> But I'm pretty sure some guys at xda-dev will get it running in no time.
Aug 22 15:18:38 <directhex> android is the best worst OS.
Aug 22 15:18:48 <madnificent> Shadows`work: fact is, that OSs for smartphones are generally a mess
Aug 22 15:18:49 <Shadows`work> klausa: cyanogenmod
Aug 22 15:18:55 <madnificent> Shadows`work: and that includes webos, to some extent
Aug 22 15:18:58 <Shadows`work> XDA is full of tards
Aug 22 15:19:07 <directhex> the next "proper" keyboarded android phone is the sony xperia pro, which is basically the xperia play, with a keyboard instead of playstation pad
Aug 22 15:19:19 <Shadows`work> define 'proper'?
Aug 22 15:19:32 <directhex> Shadows`work, not a stupid toy like the htc chacha?
Aug 22 15:19:43 <Shadows`work> motorola droid 3 is currently the keyboarded champion
Aug 22 15:19:47 <klausa> I think I liked Symbian on my E63 better.
Aug 22 15:19:49 <klausa> Really.
Aug 22 15:19:50 <directhex> Shadows`work, not available in yurp.
Aug 22 15:19:58 <Shadows`work> directhex: no milestone variant?
Aug 22 15:20:02 <klausa> I mean - android is... ok enough.
Aug 22 15:20:02 <esser> not to try to build a racial stereotype here, but android is a godsend for the japanese phones. before android, i never once saw a japanese phone with a usable UI
Aug 22 15:20:08 <esser> it was all total overcomplicated crap
Aug 22 15:20:29 <klausa> Shadows`work: There was no Milestone 2, if I recall correctly.
Aug 22 15:20:33 <sephiap> esser: I remember seeing some with an optical trackpad for UI navigation (?!?)
Aug 22 15:20:42 <klausa> Ah, there was.
Aug 22 15:20:58 <Shadows`work> there is a milestone 2
Aug 22 15:20:58 <directhex> Shadows`work, i don't think the original milestone got a proper release, let alone later ones. the headline moto phones at the moment are the defy and atrix.
Aug 22 15:21:00 <Shadows`work> just not a 3
Aug 22 15:21:00 <Shadows`work> yet
Aug 22 15:21:08 <klausa> Never saw picked up by any carrier here.
Aug 22 15:21:16 <Shadows`work> droid 2 was rather meh
Aug 22 15:21:27 <Shadows`work> droid 3 is heavily improved
Aug 22 15:21:38 <Shadows`work> bionic is basically a souped up DX2/Atrix
Aug 22 15:22:07 <Shadows`work> though if i was in europe i'd probably have an SGS2
Aug 22 15:22:14 <esser> sephiap: yeah, see. they just kept tacking on features, and wondering why their phones weren't selling
Aug 22 15:22:21 <klausa> Oh, btw - those optical trackpads are absolute SHIT.
Aug 22 15:22:23 <esser> when the real problem was that a PhD couldn't figure out how to use the damned features
Aug 22 15:22:24 <klausa> I hate it.
Aug 22 15:22:34 <klausa> D-Pad on my Nokia was miles beter.
Aug 22 15:22:46 <Shadows`work> oh i hate optical trackpads
Aug 22 15:22:47 <klausa> I mean - I can't hold it down to scroll, I need to swipe million times.
Aug 22 15:22:50 <Shadows`work> i know people that swear by em
Aug 22 15:23:03 <esser> i liked the rollerball on my BB Pearl a lot
Aug 22 15:23:07 <siestacat> guys
Aug 22 15:23:12 <esser> it's too bad that the build quality of it was rather poor and needed replacing every 6 months
Aug 22 15:23:13 <Shadows`work> you could probably pick up an unlocked d3, it is a world phone
Aug 22 15:23:13 <siestacat> I'm making meet doctor
Aug 22 15:23:17 <kevets> hopefully everybody's seen this http://scobleizer.com/2011/08/21/hps-2000-webos-patents-and-how-they-could-reshape-everything/
Aug 22 15:23:20 <siestacat> and get a make error
Aug 22 15:23:30 <siestacat> it cant find the doctor I downpoaded
Aug 22 15:23:34 <klausa> I *think* that on blackberrys and nokia they have some kind of 'momentum' if you swipe fast enough, it scrolls more than 1 item.
Aug 22 15:23:39 <klausa> But not on Android.
Aug 22 15:23:40 <kevets> by getting more devices out in the field, HP may have done itself a favor in how much they can get for webOS
Aug 22 15:23:58 <siestacat> anyone know whats up?
Aug 22 15:24:18 <Shadows`work> my moms curve has an optical clicking trackpad
Aug 22 15:24:19 <Shadows`work> it's weird
Aug 22 15:24:41 <siestacat> friend has that
Aug 22 15:24:52 <Shadows`work> the *really* wierd thing is the original bb storm
Aug 22 15:24:56 <Shadows`work> that clicking screen
Aug 22 15:25:02 <esser> i dunno if webos is really so much more usable than a lot of people claim
Aug 22 15:25:09 <siestacat> screen?
Aug 22 15:25:10 <esser> when my gf got her pre, it took her about a month to figure everything out
Aug 22 15:25:13 <esser> and she's not dumb
Aug 22 15:25:27 <kevets> lol at first i read that as "and she's not that dumb"
Aug 22 15:25:33 <directhex> esser, webos behaviour is deterministic. android behaviour is not.
Aug 22 15:25:41 <Shadows`work> i read it like that too kevets
Aug 22 15:25:55 <Shadows`work> i wonder if my touchpad is going to ship or not
Aug 22 15:25:59 <kevets> my wife figured out her pixi alright and can use it as well as her old bb curve which it replaced
Aug 22 15:26:35 <kevets> and there's no trackball to get screwy and kill the phone, although she did have the touchscreen break and that killed all functionality till got replaced under warranty
Aug 22 15:26:44 <esser> i dont think android is trying to be deterministic
Aug 22 15:26:47 <fxspec06> ah where is the UPS guy
Aug 22 15:26:49 <esser> i think it's trying to be predictive
Aug 22 15:26:50 <fxspec06> the suspense is killing me
Aug 22 15:26:52 <kevets> but the new bb phones are kind of interesting. specs are getting up there and the touchscreens are here
Aug 22 15:26:57 <Shadows`work> fxspec06 busy being raped for his touchpads
Aug 22 15:27:21 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 15:27:25 <Shadows`work> 'QUICK, HE'S GOT TOUCHPADS, GET HIM'
Aug 22 15:27:44 <fxspec06> i wonder if anyone is doing UPS heists today
Aug 22 15:27:51 <pakl> fxspec06: LOL
Aug 22 15:28:45 <Shadows`work> 08/21/2011 	HP DIRECT - SMB 	160.55 	
Aug 22 15:28:49 <Shadows`work> still a hold
Aug 22 15:31:56 <matbee> i just got the biggest bs review of my mojo app because of a touchpad user
Aug 22 15:32:13 <matbee> "it is tetriable do not by this"
Aug 22 15:32:18 <matbee> 0 stars
Aug 22 15:32:24 <esser> tetriable, eh
Aug 22 15:32:24 <kevets> wow
Aug 22 15:32:33 <kevets> still figuring out the keyboard i see :)
Aug 22 15:32:42 <esser> well obviously you need to work on making your app more awefum and less tetriable
Aug 22 15:32:58 <kevets> is it a tetris app?
Aug 22 15:34:22 <esser> mmm tetris
Aug 22 15:36:16 * halfhalo-work yawns
Aug 22 15:36:50 <zenitram> http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/tablets/product-detail.html?oid=5107125 <--- white 64gb appeared on the HP UK website
Aug 22 15:37:06 <fxspec06> tetriable!
Aug 22 15:37:13 <fxspec06> able to tetris
Aug 22 15:37:26 <directhex> hah!
Aug 22 15:37:35 <directhex> pre3 works better with my car kit than my android phone did
Aug 22 15:37:56 <madnificent> zenitram: expensive :)
Aug 22 15:38:18 * halfhalo-work wants pre3 nowkthxby
Aug 22 15:38:22 <zenitram> madnificent: yeah, but all of the touchpads are showing full price in the UK
Aug 22 15:38:44 <madnificent> zenitram: s/uk/eu/
Aug 22 15:38:58 <zenitram> not .de
Aug 22 15:39:08 * madnificent checks .de
Aug 22 15:39:19 <zenitram> they sold them for a while on .de at 99€
Aug 22 15:39:41 <madnificent> zenitram: seriously?!  i can't find the link
Aug 22 15:40:13 <zenitram> they were removed apparently
Aug 22 15:40:33 <madnificent> looks like it, i see them at 399 and 499
Aug 22 15:40:34 <madnificent> what a mess
Aug 22 15:40:38 <directhex> halfhalo-work, they're nice.
Aug 22 15:40:46 <zenitram> that's on the HP site
Aug 22 15:41:03 <zenitram> on the shop they were 99€ and.. 129€? or something like that
Aug 22 15:41:14 <madnificent> zenitram: shop? seriously, what the hell?
Aug 22 15:41:15 <halfhalo-work> directhex: I know.  But I want either a VZW or ATT one.  So thats what I'm attempting to get
Aug 22 15:41:27 <madnificent> zenitram: link me to the shop?  i didn't even know they had one
Aug 22 15:41:50 <zenitram> madnificent: it *was* here: http://h20386.www2.hp.com/GermanyStore/Promotion.mvc/GetPromotionCategory?PromotionCategoryId=RC154
Aug 22 15:41:54 <directhex> halfhalo-work, good luck with that
Aug 22 15:42:06 <halfhalo-work> It shall happen!
Aug 22 15:42:32 <madnificent> zenitram: :(
Aug 22 15:43:01 <halfhalo-work> mostly because I cheat.
Aug 22 15:43:17 <zenitram> they only shipped to germany
Aug 22 15:43:37 <madnificent> zenitram: ah, would've been useless anyways
Aug 22 15:45:12 <zenitram> i still can't understand what will happen with the 64gb now
Aug 22 15:45:31 <halfhalo-work> we built them, so now we have to get rid of them
Aug 22 15:45:56 <madnificent> zenitram: i wouldn't mind that taking a month or two, i still need to get over the fact that leo killed hp
Aug 22 15:47:12 <Lazar_Dobrescu> halfhalo-work: the question is how to get our hands on those that are gotten rid of :)
Aug 22 15:47:31 <Lazar_Dobrescu> would be so awesome to get an att one
Aug 22 15:47:40 <halfhalo-work> cheat like I did and get an internship :p
Aug 22 15:48:20 <Lazar_Dobrescu> you think they'll dump the box on you? :p
Aug 22 15:52:08 <onr> is "relayster" good name for a software company?
Aug 22 15:52:46 <sugardave> imo, no
Aug 22 15:52:54 <onr> why not?
Aug 22 15:53:00 <sugardave> uh
Aug 22 15:53:03 <sugardave> I don't like it
Aug 22 15:53:10 <onr> okay
Aug 22 15:53:19 <sugardave> that's just me :D
Aug 22 15:55:51 <Alanrogers> What does it even mean?
Aug 22 15:56:07 <Alanrogers> You are relaying stuff? Like chicken eggs or something?
Aug 22 15:57:06 <sugardave> I think I feel it sounds like copycatting: Napster, Trapster, etc.
Aug 22 15:58:16 <fxspec06> ...akanster, etc
Aug 22 15:58:17 <onr> it was going to be the name of a cdn service
Aug 22 15:58:30 <Alanrogers> Call it Applez - you will have absolutely no problem
Aug 22 15:58:50 <sugardave> My Crow Soft
Aug 22 15:58:51 <fxspec06> or, if you don't want to get sued, call it Mapple
Aug 22 15:58:57 <akanster> fxspec06?
Aug 22 15:59:07 <akanster> heh, just read up
Aug 22 15:59:10 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 16:00:28 <matbee> hohum
Aug 22 16:04:21 <webhostbudd> bn.com
Aug 22 16:04:24 <webhostbudd> lol
Aug 22 16:05:31 <plov> webhostbudd: they cancelled your order ?
Aug 22 16:06:30 <webhostbudd> probably
Aug 22 16:06:40 <webhostbudd> ive been trying to get in touch with them all day
Aug 22 16:06:59 <webhostbudd> of course im sure everyone else is doing the same thing
Aug 22 16:07:13 <zenitram> news for hp.de: ALL of their system is down, phone orders too
Aug 22 16:07:15 <Tommy> edude03: fuck that guy
Aug 22 16:07:22 <plov> webhostbudd: it says to call them right?
Aug 22 16:07:26 <webhostbudd> yes
Aug 22 16:07:26 <edude03> ;_;
Aug 22 16:07:30 <plov> i got the same thing, several too, think it's cancelled
Aug 22 16:07:37 <webhostbudd> probably
Aug 22 16:07:38 <edude03> Good morning to you too Tommy :P
Aug 22 16:07:55 <Tommy> edude03: sup brah
Aug 22 16:08:00 <webhostbudd> that makes me somewhat upset, but ill just wait for amazon / newegg to get on board if bn doesnt go trhough
Aug 22 16:08:38 <Tommy> webhostbudd: i'm hoping my 2 touchpads come through as well, from onSale
Aug 22 16:08:47 <webhostbudd> yea, we will see i guess
Aug 22 16:08:52 <webhostbudd> staples had the for $50
Aug 22 16:08:55 <webhostbudd> its a shame i missed that one
Aug 22 16:08:59 <webhostbudd> man would that be a deal
Aug 22 16:09:02 <edude03> Not too much Tommy
Aug 22 16:09:02 <NuSuey> webhostbudd, oh.. you got the .. Unable to process order. Please call 1-877-379-0036, or 212-414-6024, if outside U.S. ..thing?
Aug 22 16:09:08 <webhostbudd> yes
Aug 22 16:09:11 <NuSuey> OH
Aug 22 16:09:14 <NuSuey> so im not the only one
Aug 22 16:09:15 <fxspec06> i'm hoping my UPS will successfully make the trip to my house
Aug 22 16:09:17 <webhostbudd> mhmmm
Aug 22 16:09:21 <fxspec06> and soon
Aug 22 16:09:23 <webhostbudd> im sure they ran out of stock
Aug 22 16:09:30 <webhostbudd> but still let people order
Aug 22 16:09:32 <NuSuey> webhostbudd, nobody answer the call on the number?
Aug 22 16:09:35 <webhostbudd> exactly
Aug 22 16:09:41 <webhostbudd> ive called multiple times this morning
Aug 22 16:09:45 <webhostbudd> but all of their agents are busy
Aug 22 16:10:07 <plov> cause like 90% of the ppl who ordered got cancelled, they ran out of stock fast
Aug 22 16:10:19 <NuSuey> thats possible
Aug 22 16:10:20 <plov> but site never updated
Aug 22 16:10:23 <Tommy> yeah i'm thinking the same happened with onSale, who i ordered through :(
Aug 22 16:12:00 <matbee> we need a channel just to post links to available touchpads
Aug 22 16:12:03 <matbee> for us ircers
Aug 22 16:12:20 <matbee> by the time a tweet reaches my feed, its dead
Aug 22 16:12:34 <Tommy> lol
Aug 22 16:12:43 <Tommy> matbee: i think they're all gone
Aug 22 16:13:10 <matbee> i hope someone at palm can help us dev's out
Aug 22 16:13:26 <dwc-> wow
Aug 22 16:13:41 <dwc-> this is a long line (outside hpalm)
Aug 22 16:14:05 <dwc-> iI see a dkirker
Aug 22 16:14:12 <webhostbudd> wait for amazon / newegg
Aug 22 16:14:28 <maik> has anyone had trouble with their TouchPad and "Trust Always" for SSL certificates not working?
Aug 22 16:14:39 <maik> it adds the cert but for some reason it keeps prompting me about the certificate
Aug 22 16:15:13 <dwc-> webhostbud: I am als looking for pre2
Aug 22 16:15:56 <fxspec06> matbee: they should give them out for free to devs
Aug 22 16:16:04 <matbee> something
Aug 22 16:16:27 <fxspec06> they have to keep a pile somewhere too, for warranty purposes
Aug 22 16:16:30 <matbee> i'd buy it for $99, as long as it was a comfortable and an non-emotionally distraught process
Aug 22 16:16:48 <matbee> hammering hp.com/touchpad isn't working
Aug 22 16:17:00 <fxspec06> set up a 1 click button on amazon
Aug 22 16:17:01 <matbee> and bestbuy/FS's employees buy all of their stock anyway
Aug 22 16:17:09 <PuffTheMagic> .
Aug 22 16:18:05 <dwc-> hpalm employees here seem not distraugt mat
Aug 22 16:19:15 <directhex> wake me when the touchpad prices hit the UK.
Aug 22 16:19:41 <fxspec06> that's awesome, dwc-
Aug 22 16:20:33 <webhostbudd> so.....
Aug 22 16:20:55 <pc500> Anyone get one of the HP tablets?
Aug 22 16:21:13 <pc500> Seems to be  crashing cdw.com, but they seem to have it now:  http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/HP-SmartBuy-TouchPad-Wi-Fi-16GB/2414076.aspx?ContractID=0
Aug 22 16:21:14 <sugardave> I have at least one
Aug 22 16:21:44 <sugardave> but I've had it for a while now
Aug 22 16:22:31 <pc500> ahhh
Aug 22 16:22:42 <pc500> Getting them in the fire sale is proving harder that I would have thought.
Aug 22 16:23:17 <sugardave> yeah, you should have gotten one while they were around :P
Aug 22 16:23:58 <pc500> Didn't have the money :)
Aug 22 16:24:02 <Tibfib> sugardave!
Aug 22 16:24:11 <sugardave> Tibfib!
Aug 22 16:24:17 <Tibfib> my 154th favorite hp employee!~
Aug 22 16:24:17 <webhostbudd> rediculous
Aug 22 16:24:18 <pc500> But more realistically, I'd have bought a new PC first than my 5  year old junk.
Aug 22 16:24:27 <sugardave> wow, I'm peaking!
Aug 22 16:24:36 <Tibfib> webhostbudd: your inability to spell ridiculous is ridiculous
Aug 22 16:24:48 <webhostbudd> yea
Aug 22 16:24:48 <Tibfib> sugardave: you might make top 100 soon!
Aug 22 16:24:49 <webhostbudd> i know
Aug 22 16:24:53 <sugardave> sweet
Aug 22 16:24:54 <onr> is creatreasure good name for an online gaming company?
Aug 22 16:25:19 <dwc-> nice fire sale
Aug 22 16:25:24 <Tibfib> I think the name doesn't matter much, the product does
Aug 22 16:25:47 <Tibfib> sugardave: my touchpad comes today :) :) :)
Aug 22 16:25:54 <sugardave> woohoo!
Aug 22 16:25:59 <Bmyers> sugardave: \o/
Aug 22 16:26:04 <fxspec06> Tibfib: ME TOO! High five!
Aug 22 16:26:05 <dwc-> accessories are 75% off
Aug 22 16:26:12 <Tibfib> fxspec06: :hifive:
Aug 22 16:26:16 <Tibfib> dwc-: ooh where?
Aug 22 16:26:22 <fxspec06> also I agree that the product matters more than the name
Aug 22 16:26:40 <fxspec06> proof: apple
Aug 22 16:26:58 <dwc-> palm hq
Aug 22 16:27:02 <Tibfib> proof: spotify
Aug 22 16:27:22 <fxspec06> wth does spotify mean anyways
Aug 22 16:27:27 <Tibfib> no clue
Aug 22 16:27:41 <sugardave> Bmyers: you getting a TouchPad?
Aug 22 16:27:49 <Tibfib> yay, record nomnomnom sales yesterday
Aug 22 16:28:10 <Bmyers> i have 1 on order. we'll see if i get it.
Aug 22 16:28:27 <LordDragon> hey all
Aug 22 16:28:30 * Tibfib ordered a TP from HP.com saturday night
Aug 22 16:28:33 <Tibfib> got charged
Aug 22 16:28:36 <Tibfib> got confirmation email
Aug 22 16:28:40 <Tibfib> we'll see
Aug 22 16:28:50 <fxspec06> i think my record was opening day. other than that, yesterday tied my record
Aug 22 16:28:54 <Tibfib> it was after they were out of stock technically
Aug 22 16:28:55 <LordDragon> i snagged a TP for 99 bucks on amazon last night
Aug 22 16:29:06 <matbee> :(
Aug 22 16:29:19 <LordDragon> why sad matbee?
Aug 22 16:29:22 <maik> i'm disappointed they didn't put a volume switch on the touchpad :(
Aug 22 16:29:22 <matbee> someone here has to buy an extra one
Aug 22 16:29:24 <matbee> so i can buy it from you
Aug 22 16:29:26 <fxspec06> no touchpad for matbee
Aug 22 16:29:31 <Tibfib> fxspec06: actually you are right
Aug 22 16:29:38 <Tibfib> my initial day beat yesterday here too
Aug 22 16:29:40 <LordDragon> matbee: aww. why not order one yourself?
Aug 22 16:29:47 <matbee> LordDragon, I can't get an order through
Aug 22 16:29:53 <matbee> buy buttons are disappearing
Aug 22 16:29:58 <Tibfib> matbee: keep trying
Aug 22 16:30:04 <Tibfib> they show up every once in a while
Aug 22 16:30:04 <fxspec06> =) day 1 is strange, it sets the bar for all the other days
Aug 22 16:30:04 <Bmyers> buy bye
Aug 22 16:30:07 <matbee> im too disgruntled
Aug 22 16:30:08 <matbee> :(
Aug 22 16:30:16 <LordDragon> matbee: arg that sucks. you gotta catch it at the right time
Aug 22 16:30:28 <matbee> i feel as if i wont get one at this price
Aug 22 16:30:35 <LordDragon> i heard HP is gonna do one more batch of TP
Aug 22 16:30:44 <matbee> and all thats gonna be left is assholes who horded them
Aug 22 16:31:11 <dwc-> man
Aug 22 16:31:18 <dwc-> how am I gonna carry al this stuff
Aug 22 16:31:43 <Loudergood> I'm sure that the bottom is going to drop out of the second hand market matbee
Aug 22 16:32:03 <matbee> what do you mean?
Aug 22 16:32:08 <matbee> refurb's?
Aug 22 16:32:25 <LordDragon> http://mashable.com/2011/08/22/hp-touchpad-tablet/
Aug 22 16:32:29 <madnificent> matbee: yup, and they'll run android on it ;_;
Aug 22 16:32:34 <matbee> lol
Aug 22 16:32:35 <LordDragon> "Meanwhile, PCWorld reports that HP is promising a second wave of TouchPad units in the next few days for people that want a chance to get a tablet on the cheap."
Aug 22 16:32:37 <fxspec06> not only is TP best seller in tablets,also best seller in electronics
Aug 22 16:32:46 <Tibfib> yayaya
Aug 22 16:33:19 <LordDragon> does webos have a "VLC" like player? for playing lots of different video formats?
Aug 22 16:33:49 <Tibfib> hmm, I don't think so
Aug 22 16:33:58 <Tibfib> kalemsoft media player might
Aug 22 16:34:08 <matbee> i hope this is an enormous elaborate scheme to displace the ipad as #1
Aug 22 16:34:15 <matbee> because it surely worked
Aug 22 16:34:28 <madnificent> matbee: i'd be relieved and i'd start working on webos again :)
Aug 22 16:34:30 <maik> haha
Aug 22 16:34:34 <Tibfib> matbee: there are probably still more iPad's out there
Aug 22 16:34:40 <maik> HP's reputation took a huge hit because of this
Aug 22 16:34:45 <Tibfib> aye
Aug 22 16:34:46 <madnificent> LordDragon: you can probably compile vlc for it though
Aug 22 16:34:51 <fxspec06> LordDragon: someone at webosworld got ubuntu working on the pad
Aug 22 16:34:54 <matbee> Tibfib, yeah, but at this rate, they'd move more touchpads than ipad's in a month
Aug 22 16:34:58 <fxspec06> webosroundup*
Aug 22 16:35:14 <Tibfib> fxspec06: lots of people have done that
Aug 22 16:35:18 <matbee> that alone would create so much mindshare
Aug 22 16:35:31 <NuSuey> you are not being displayed on a 22' LCD screen and your text is in COMIC SANS! :O the evilnesssssss
Aug 22 16:35:32 <Tibfib> I'll probably do it
Aug 22 16:35:33 <matbee> much like how the pc beat the shit out of mac's
Aug 22 16:35:55 <ianbeck> Except that PCs still sold at a profit; HP would be selling at a large loss for every unit
Aug 22 16:35:56 <LordDragon> what media syncing solutions are available for macs ?
Aug 22 16:36:05 <matbee> ianbeck, yeah i realize this
Aug 22 16:36:20 <matbee> but, taking a hit to gain mindshare would be cool
Aug 22 16:36:22 <matbee> but this is for real
Aug 22 16:36:24 <matbee> webos is dead
Aug 22 16:36:29 <dwc-> anyone else here in the palm hq line?
Aug 22 16:36:47 <madnificent> ianbeck: but for market share, it could be worth the investment.  it's the best way to get into a market.  you'll immediately have enough buyers for apps and you'll have users which get to know webos
Aug 22 16:36:49 <HattCzech_work> anyone having issues with sounds just stopping on their touchpad?
Aug 22 16:37:03 <ianbeck> madnificent: Only matters if people are buying enough apps that the profit makes up for the loss
Aug 22 16:37:09 <rwatkins-tp> HattCzech_work: all the ttime
Aug 22 16:37:21 <HattCzech_work> rwatkins-tp: is there a fix? :/
Aug 22 16:37:27 <ianbeck> madnificent: Or if the loss is supported elsewhere (like Xbox for Microsoft)
Aug 22 16:37:32 <HattCzech_work> is this a hardware issue or software?
Aug 22 16:37:43 <dwc-> I sew halfhalo
Aug 22 16:37:44 <rwatkins-tp> HattCzech_work: dunno but drives me nuts
Aug 22 16:37:47 <madnificent> ianbeck: not really, it's simply one of the few ways to get into a market.  after this they could release new tablets and they'd receive more attention in the media
Aug 22 16:38:01 <HattCzech_work> same here... i'm rebooting it right now... that seems to fix it :)
Aug 22 16:38:23 <HattCzech_work> i'm glad someone else is
Aug 22 16:38:32 <HattCzech_work> makes me think it's NOT a hardware issue
Aug 22 16:38:33 <dwc-> see
Aug 22 16:38:43 <HattCzech_work> or a common defect :) hahaah
Aug 22 16:38:47 <rwatkins-tp> happens when I use headphones too .. music stops working after some period of non-use
Aug 22 16:38:58 <LordDragon> so no one uses webos with their macs ?
Aug 22 16:39:08 <maik> if the OS wasn't totally fucked then this might be a brainiac move by HP.  but the truth is the thing didn't sell because it got bad reviews for being unreliable and slow
Aug 22 16:39:14 <rwatkins-tp> reboot always fixes it for me
Aug 22 16:39:17 <ianbeck> LordDragon: HP Play will get your music over
Aug 22 16:39:37 <sebastianha> LordDragon: I use it with my MacBook but not with MacOS :) (Linux)
Aug 22 16:39:45 <HattCzech_work> rebooting doesn't want to work right now :/
Aug 22 16:39:52 <HattCzech_work> fantastic
Aug 22 16:39:58 <maik> so unless HP comes out next week and says "Here's an update to webOS that fixes EVERY problem.  By the way, TouchPad2 is due out next summer and it will crush the competition.  And oh ya, sorry investors but we lied to you."  this is the end
Aug 22 16:40:00 <ianbeck> LordDragon: I use Missing Sync for my Pre, but I don't think it supports TouchPad
Aug 22 16:40:03 <rwatkins-tp> HattCzech_work: had that too
Aug 22 16:40:05 <NuSuey> HattCzech_work, ty si z ceska? :o
Aug 22 16:40:14 <LordDragon> ah thanks ianbeck
Aug 22 16:40:22 <LordDragon> :)
Aug 22 16:40:32 <webhostbudd> is it really that slow?
Aug 22 16:41:03 <HattCzech_work> NuSuey: mluvim trochu cesky
Aug 22 16:41:08 * sugardave kills maik.
Aug 22 16:41:11 <sugardave> maik is dead
Aug 22 16:41:12 <ianbeck> webhostbudd: Depends who you talk to; I don't find it slow (and 3.0.2 helped a lot). But in a direct comparison with iPad2, for instance, yes it will feel slower and less responsive
Aug 22 16:41:16 <maik> just like HP
Aug 22 16:41:19 <maik> twist the knife :(
Aug 22 16:41:30 <NuSuey> HattCzech_work, len trochu? -.^ .. kde byvas?
Aug 22 16:41:53 <HattCzech_work> gotta head out to lunch, back in a bit
Aug 22 16:42:03 <maik> webhostbudd: run and use a few PDK apps and you'll see it's noticeably slower
Aug 22 16:42:10 <fxspec06> maik: compared to a mclaren f1, my nissan sentra is slow too
Aug 22 16:42:20 <maik> i'm not comparing it to anything except itself
Aug 22 16:42:29 <webhostbudd> i see
Aug 22 16:42:31 <webhostbudd> thats too bad
Aug 22 16:42:42 <maik> it's faster after a fresh boot than it is after running a few apps
Aug 22 16:42:44 <maik> it's freaking windows
Aug 22 16:42:49 <webhostbudd> i liked the way the interface was laid out
Aug 22 16:42:49 <maik> Windows*
Aug 22 16:43:11 <fxspec06> i like windows
Aug 22 16:43:15 <fxspec06> but webos is linux......
Aug 22 16:43:26 <fxspec06> sorry to say
Aug 22 16:43:32 <webhostbudd> you are missing the point
Aug 22 16:43:44 <webhostbudd> windows was like that for ages
Aug 22 16:44:08 <maik> i was being facetious
Aug 22 16:44:16 <fxspec06> if you don't know how to manage your computer, then it was like that. my windows has never been like that
Aug 22 16:44:25 <fxspec06> i take care of my computer
Aug 22 16:44:40 <LordDragon> anyone read ebooks on webos? is kindle for webos compatible with epubs ?
Aug 22 16:44:44 <hotdp> any EU places where its for sale to a good price?
Aug 22 16:44:45 <mots> are there some enyo app templates available? i.e. only app layouts without any functionality
Aug 22 16:44:56 <maik> fxspec06: the problem is the vast majority of people don't know, and that's why you need to build stupid-proof products
Aug 22 16:44:58 <maik> and when you don't, this happens
Aug 22 16:45:03 <mots> I'd quite like a layout similar to the photo app for my xbmc remote
Aug 22 16:45:10 <mots> but it's a pita to copy together
Aug 22 16:45:16 <maik> it would be great if everyone was like you, but the truth is the people who are buying the products simply aren't
Aug 22 16:45:21 <fxspec06> stock webos without preware / patches is stupid proof
Aug 22 16:45:37 <fxspec06> runs just fine here
Aug 22 16:45:55 <rwatkins-tp> any odd issues with publishing to Beta distribution I should know about?
Aug 22 16:46:25 <ianbeck> rwatkins-tp: Now that the RSS feeds are dead, probably not
Aug 22 16:46:31 <Tibfib> heh, yeah
Aug 22 16:47:00 <rwatkins-tp> gonna put out a beta of Paper Mache w/ pre3 support and some other minor changes
Aug 22 16:47:09 <rwatkins-tp> heh
Aug 22 16:47:14 <PuffTheMagic> HP order receipt
Aug 22 16:47:14 <PuffTheMagic> Your order is approved and being sent to order management.
Aug 22 16:47:15 <PuffTheMagic> yay!
Aug 22 16:48:11 <maik> fxspec06: the fact remains, the product failed and it's largely due to the OS and the reviews it received
Aug 22 16:48:37 <fxspec06> i wouldn't call it failed if 500,000 ppl bought it in 3 days
Aug 22 16:48:55 <fxspec06> the reviews were great
Aug 22 16:49:13 <maik> haha, you can't use people buying good tech at dirt cheap prices because the manufacturer is pulling out of the market as a sign of success
Aug 22 16:49:20 <klausa> fxspec06: They are losing over $200 on every sale.
Aug 22 16:49:28 <maik> use the number of units sold _before_ HP dropped the price
Aug 22 16:49:39 <fxspec06> okay, so it failed
Aug 22 16:49:41 <fxspec06> so what
Aug 22 16:49:43 <madnificent> did the touchpad just raise price on amazon.de again?
Aug 22 16:49:46 <fxspec06> it's still a great product
Aug 22 16:49:58 <fxspec06> who cares if it failed. people are buying my apps. and the product is awesome
Aug 22 16:50:05 <fxspec06> i wish every webos product failed like the touchpad
Aug 22 16:50:15 <LordDragon> what apps are yours fxspec06?
Aug 22 16:50:30 <ianbeck> fxspec06: Ha, yeah. WebOS phones failed for me in a much less profitable fashion
Aug 22 16:50:38 <fxspec06> wild'n video poker, and clearview
Aug 22 16:50:48 <maik> fxspec06: so what?  that was my whole point was the product failed.  most of us are bitter about it.  that's all i was saying
Aug 22 16:50:56 <madnificent> ianbeck: same here
Aug 22 16:51:05 <LordDragon> fxspec06: what does clearview do?
Aug 22 16:51:44 <fxspec06> well honestly the phones were never a huge success, and a lot of people would say the reviews were never great. BUT i was not a webos user, ever, and i looked for phones and the pre+ was the one i decided to buy. out of all the available phones. without knowing about any of this community
Aug 22 16:52:11 <iluminator101> what package system does webos use?
Aug 22 16:52:19 <fxspec06> clearview is a clearcard app. lets you see your wallpaper when you got apps running, something that is impossible
Aug 22 16:52:25 <Alanrogers> I see people are clearing out Dixons online store on the basis that they will refund the difference at 6pm once the price difference hits (assuming it is 6pm).
Aug 22 16:52:45 <fxspec06> you can maximize it to fill the screen, or minimize it to view w/ your other cards
Aug 22 16:53:15 <fxspec06> http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/clearview-for-hp-touchpad.584/
Aug 22 16:53:24 <Tibfib> iluminator101: ipk
Aug 22 16:53:30 <Tibfib> if that is what you are referring to
Aug 22 16:53:58 <Tibfib> time to make rimshaht
Aug 22 16:54:05 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD:^
Aug 22 16:54:07 <iluminator101> i mean like does it use .deb or .rpm?
Aug 22 16:54:08 <fxspec06> doo it tib
Aug 22 16:54:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> !!!!!
Aug 22 16:54:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-)
Aug 22 16:54:20 <fxspec06> i'm still brainstorming a new app
Aug 22 16:54:27 <fxspec06> any ideas
Aug 22 16:54:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm glad you're sticking around, fxspec06
Aug 22 16:54:52 <fxspec06> well it wasn't a touch choice
Aug 22 16:54:57 <fxspec06> after this weekend
Aug 22 16:55:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> right
Aug 22 16:55:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 22 16:55:23 <webhostbudd> so
Aug 22 16:55:27 <webhostbudd> any other sites left?
Aug 22 16:55:30 <fxspec06> what new app do you want IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 22 16:55:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hmmm
Aug 22 16:55:42 <shades> ARE THEY SELLING MOREE?
Aug 22 16:55:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ...jesus
Aug 22 16:55:49 <fxspec06> NOT RIGHT NOW
Aug 22 16:55:49 <shades> DID THEY SELL OUT AGAIN?
Aug 22 16:55:50 <shades> damn caps
Aug 22 16:55:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 22 16:56:03 <shades> it was stuck on
Aug 22 16:56:13 <shades> and I didn't realize it until i hit enter
Aug 22 16:56:28 <Tibfib> YOU ARE A LIAR
Aug 22 16:56:40 <Tibfib> I ALWAYS KNOW WHEN I'M CAPPSING IT UP
Aug 22 16:56:44 <LordDragon> was skype ever ported to webos?
Aug 22 16:56:48 <cwayne> CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
Aug 22 16:56:50 <fxspec06> good prank: hardwire someone's keyboard to keep caps lock on
Aug 22 16:56:57 <Tibfib> lolol
Aug 22 16:57:03 <cwayne> fxspec06: aka billy mays mode
Aug 22 16:57:05 <Tibfib> LordDragon: skype is supported on verizon 2.1
Aug 22 16:57:08 <Tibfib> and in webOS 3.0
Aug 22 16:57:10 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 16:57:19 <Tibfib> poorly, apparently
Aug 22 16:57:33 <PatrickBregman> guys, is it right that the UK has it's sale *now*? If so, where can I get a Touchpad?
Aug 22 16:57:50 <Tibfib> PatrickBregman: see slickdeals.net
Aug 22 16:57:52 <LordDragon> Tibfib: will the touchpad have 3.0 ?
Aug 22 16:57:53 <Tibfib> there will be details.
Aug 22 16:57:58 <Tibfib> LordDragon: the touchpad already has 3.0
Aug 22 16:58:00 <PatrickBregman> tnx
Aug 22 16:58:12 <LordDragon> Tibfib: ah awesome. so then it should have skype :)
Aug 22 16:58:13 <Alanrogers> Likely to start at six pm - try Dixons online but it's likely that all of the stock has already gone as people bank on Dixons refunding the difference - I've just bought one on that basis.
Aug 22 16:58:17 <ianbeck> Tibfib: Is there any way to save an article to Instapaper without opening the detail view in NomNomNom?
Aug 22 16:58:17 <Tibfib> go to the forums, then "hot details" then the touchpad topic
Aug 22 16:58:22 <Tibfib> LordDragon: it is a little buggy apparently
Aug 22 16:58:25 <Tibfib> ianbeck: nosir
Aug 22 16:58:41 <LordDragon> Tibfib: ah ok. well something is better than nothing i guess
Aug 22 16:58:50 <ianbeck> Tibfib: Consider that a request, then :-)
Aug 22 16:58:54 <shades> hp said it woudl restock omday
Aug 22 16:59:04 <Tibfib> ianbeck: I have been going back and forth whether I want to allow holding onto an article for advanced options
Aug 22 16:59:04 <shades> but they all sold out already or something? or they never actually restocked??
Aug 22 16:59:08 <rwatkins-tp> +1
Aug 22 16:59:08 <shades> waht gives
Aug 22 16:59:11 <Tibfib> article preview*
Aug 22 16:59:15 <Tibfib> whether the card or the list
Aug 22 16:59:18 <ianbeck> Tibfib: I'd use it, FWIW
Aug 22 16:59:28 <cxreg> is chuq coming back?
Aug 22 16:59:38 <Tibfib> ianbeck: I'll ask around and see what peeps think
Aug 22 16:59:38 <Tibfib> thanks
Aug 22 17:00:44 <ianbeck> The My Apps download numbers are so screwy
Aug 22 17:01:06 <Tibfib> they don't match up at all with using "My webos apps"
Aug 22 17:01:13 <Tibfib> I just go with that
Aug 22 17:01:44 <ianbeck> Doesn't My WebOS Apps just show you the total from the root My Apps page?
Aug 22 17:01:56 <fxspec06> these guys will price match
Aug 22 17:01:57 <fxspec06> http://www.johnlewis.com/231328027/Product.aspx
Aug 22 17:02:06 <Tibfib> ianbeck: yeah
Aug 22 17:02:12 <Tibfib> and it just keeps track of per day
Aug 22 17:02:21 <Tibfib> the detailed reports are super crazy
Aug 22 17:02:37 <ianbeck> Yeah, those are the numbers that are messing with my head; just jumped almost 300 downloads between now and two hours ago, which can't be right
Aug 22 17:02:40 <hotdp> fxspec06: when?
Aug 22 17:02:49 <ianbeck> The detailed numbers are the same as they were a couple hours back
Aug 22 17:02:56 <ianbeck> Which is to say, totally inaccurate, but whatever :-)
Aug 22 17:02:58 <fxspec06> not sure, found it in the post here http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/292466-uk-touchpad-firesale-8.html
Aug 22 17:04:10 <rwatkins-tp> anyone figured out how often the app download stats update?  seems slower now
Aug 22 17:04:27 <Tibfib> rwatkins: daily for paid
Aug 22 17:04:27 <ianbeck> They seem to settle down and stop changing for me 2-3 days back
Aug 22 17:04:43 <sugardave> if everyone in the channel sends me $2 I can make the portal update
Aug 22 17:04:50 <sugardave> go
Aug 22 17:05:23 <rwatkins-tp> seemed more than that for free a couple weeks ago, but now seems daily or.
Aug 22 17:05:34 <Tibfib> free is hourly I think
Aug 22 17:05:36 <Tibfib> supposed to be
Aug 22 17:05:41 <fxspec06> new day at 4p, first update shortly after, two more updates before i go to bed at 12p, another update when i wake up at 8a, and two more updates at 11a and 12p. ---> EST. those are my observations for paid apps
Aug 22 17:06:00 <fxspec06> i have no idea about 12a to 8a
Aug 22 17:06:29 <rwatkins-tp> so whenever the Hampstead decide to run the wheel I guess.
Aug 22 17:06:35 <rwatkins-tp> hamsters
Aug 22 17:06:49 <rwatkins-tp> autocorrect ftw
Aug 22 17:07:28 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 17:11:04 <Txyru> hey webos devs you can get a free wp7 if you ask apparently...
Aug 22 17:11:07 <Txyru> free is free.
Aug 22 17:11:14 <Tibfib> yep
Aug 22 17:11:22 * Tibfib asked
Aug 22 17:11:47 <Txyru> what did they say>?
Aug 22 17:11:48 <Tibfib> you know, I just made a semi-decent app background
Aug 22 17:11:50 <Tibfib> that's crazy
Aug 22 17:12:03 <Tibfib> Txyru: still getting back to me
Aug 22 17:12:07 <Txyru> ah
Aug 22 17:12:18 <Txyru> I should ask and see if they send one :
Aug 22 17:12:20 <Txyru> :P*
Aug 22 17:13:08 <haeffb-pre> Tibfib: talk to a champion?
Aug 22 17:13:13 <fxspec06> Tibfib: that's a lie, we all know you can't make backgrounds
Aug 22 17:13:23 <Tibfib> fxspec06: shush you
Aug 22 17:13:38 <Tibfib> haeffb: perhaps
Aug 22 17:14:52 <plov> well thats the biggest BS ever
Aug 22 17:15:13 <rwatkins-tp> only backgrounds that don't scroll properly
Aug 22 17:15:16 <plov> called bestbuy, rep is like she sees i was one of the first to place an order when bestbuy.com went live
Aug 22 17:15:27 <plov> but my order got processed like 3 hours later than everyone elses
Aug 22 17:15:55 <esser> FILO ftl
Aug 22 17:16:25 <plov> basically i probably aint gonna get it, thats some messed up ordering system
Aug 22 17:16:36 <PuffTheMagic> Txyru: ask who?
Aug 22 17:16:39 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib: ^^
Aug 22 17:16:48 <Txyru> PuffTheMagic, some manager at microsoft
Aug 22 17:17:00 <PatrickBregman> aargh, Amazon UK is not dropping prices :(
Aug 22 17:17:04 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: guy from microsoft poaching devs
Aug 22 17:17:07 <Txyru> I have to quickly publish something to the palm store
Aug 22 17:17:10 <PatrickBregman> and Dixons is already sold out apparently :(
Aug 22 17:17:14 <Txyru> must have free phones./
Aug 22 17:17:47 <PatrickBregman> :P
Aug 22 17:18:04 <Txyru> Tibfib, let me know if they ask a lot of questions :P
Aug 22 17:18:12 <Tibfib> hah
Aug 22 17:21:01 <gokr1> 115 at Dixons!
Aug 22 17:21:13 <PatrickBregman> gokr1: yeah, if you can get through
Aug 22 17:21:13 <gokr1> Ah. Unavailable.
Aug 22 17:21:14 <Txyru> questions like "what app have you published" perferably.
Aug 22 17:21:14 <shades> wtf is dixons
Aug 22 17:21:36 <esser> dixons is some UK trollstore
Aug 22 17:22:08 <directhex> dixons stores group international is a brand of high street electronics stores that's so hated, they renamed all their "dixons" stores to something else
Aug 22 17:22:23 <phoque_uni> webOS left the worst taste possible in my mouth
Aug 22 17:22:33 <sugardave> I don't know....
Aug 22 17:22:39 <esser> phoque_uni: stop trying to eat the phone
Aug 22 17:22:44 <Tibfib> there's some pretty nasty food out there
Aug 22 17:22:55 <phoque_uni> I was inofficially promised a dev device at one of the events
Aug 22 17:23:01 <phoque_uni> never heard of anyone again
Aug 22 17:23:13 <phoque_uni> spent hour after hour crafting an app
Aug 22 17:23:17 <phoque_uni> and then this
Aug 22 17:23:27 <esser> http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/25068f8a-a128-45b6-a70c-05c4dfa2bdd1/hp-smartbuy-touchpad-wi-fi-32gb-fb356utaba-tablets#25
Aug 22 17:23:28 <Tibfib> phoque_uni: then it sounds like you are ready to leave
Aug 22 17:23:37 <phoque_uni> now I don't even get one of the firesale devices (nor your fault but still annoying)
Aug 22 17:23:40 <esser> added an hour ago,
Aug 22 17:23:42 <esser> sold out 27 mins ago
Aug 22 17:23:54 <Tibfib> phoque_uni: who is "you"?
Aug 22 17:24:03 <phoque_uni> idk... Palm
Aug 22 17:24:05 <Tibfib> there aren't a lot of palm employees in here actively listening
Aug 22 17:24:10 <phoque_uni> i know
Aug 22 17:24:12 <Tibfib> complaining in here is usually not effective
Aug 22 17:24:20 <fxspec06> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/238580/hp_touchpad_fire_sale_is_a_recipe_for_tablet_success.html
Aug 22 17:24:35 <fxspec06> seems like I am not the only one who thinks that this tablet is 'succeeding'
Aug 22 17:24:48 <hemna> heh $100mill loss = success?....winning!
Aug 22 17:24:51 <goz2> is 16 gigs on touchpad totally not enough?
Aug 22 17:24:59 <cwayne> imagine if this was just a genius marketing ploy to gain market penetration and to attract new customers/devs
Aug 22 17:25:06 <dcousineau> it's not
Aug 22 17:25:10 <fxspec06> it's not
Aug 22 17:25:13 <cwayne> hence the word imagine
Aug 22 17:25:19 <dcousineau> I am and it' snot genius
Aug 22 17:25:25 <dcousineau> it's highly retarded
Aug 22 17:25:28 <dcousineau> "OOH just kidding"
Aug 22 17:25:36 <dcousineau> "Well sorry HP we don't trust you, your dev community is *gone*"
Aug 22 17:25:50 <dgathright> Well, no tablets other than the iPad have sold any significant numbers.  This is the first time someone has been able to create the fever the iPad has.
Aug 22 17:25:50 <cwayne> dcousineau: lol buttbhurt
Aug 22 17:25:53 * fxspec06 is staying
Aug 22 17:26:00 * cwayne is staying
Aug 22 17:26:07 <dcousineau> cwayne: not butt hurt, realistic
Aug 22 17:26:09 <dcousineau> individuals are here
Aug 22 17:26:15 <dgathright> Just goes to show that the price of the Touchpad, and all the other non-iPad tablets, is way too high.
Aug 22 17:26:17 <dcousineau> but big names, who's gonna invest with the fragility?
Aug 22 17:26:21 <haeffb-pre> "they're not that smart"
Aug 22 17:26:22 <fxspec06> other people are staying also
Aug 22 17:26:23 <madnificent> hemna: if they only lost 100 milion on it, then it'd be a bargain
Aug 22 17:26:33 <fxspec06> any dev who LEAVES right now is not smart
Aug 22 17:26:35 <fxspec06> IMO
Aug 22 17:26:53 <esser> the money on these things is definitely not in the hardware
Aug 22 17:26:56 <dgathright> frewsxcv: Agreed.
Aug 22 17:27:06 <rwatkins-mbp> Tibfib: nomnomnom - when user hasnt set credentials, it might be nice if the error message told them where to go, or even open the pref dialog for them ...
Aug 22 17:27:07 <fxspec06> but hey, more space for me to make money off a tiny app catalog with large customer base
Aug 22 17:27:15 <javispedro> there are $100 tablets
Aug 22 17:27:20 <fxspec06> i'll just keep pushing out apps
Aug 22 17:27:20 <javispedro> so this proves nothing
Aug 22 17:27:21 <rwatkins-mbp> re: IP support
Aug 22 17:27:31 <fxspec06> it proves that people have the touchpad
Aug 22 17:27:32 <Tibfib> rwatkins: what do you mean?
Aug 22 17:27:34 <cwayne> fxspec06: lol, I like your thinking
Aug 22 17:27:35 <dgathright> the $100 Android tablets are absolute junk
Aug 22 17:27:47 <rwatkins-mbp> meaning if I click "Share with Instapaper" it says "You must login first!"
Aug 22 17:27:47 <fxspec06> it proves that people have it. the price doesn't matter. PEOPLE HAVE TOUCHPADS
Aug 22 17:27:53 <Tibfib> rimshaht can play audio!
Aug 22 17:27:55 <dgathright> Those truly are $100 tablets.  the Touchpad is a $500 tablet sold at $100.
Aug 22 17:27:55 <Tibfib> mwahahaha!
Aug 22 17:28:00 <fxspec06> they could have GIVEN THEM AWAY and people will still have touchpads
Aug 22 17:28:03 <rwatkins-mbp> might be nice if it said " .. in the Preferences in the app menu"
Aug 22 17:28:10 <Tibfib> for what?
Aug 22 17:28:14 <Tibfib> OH
Aug 22 17:28:17 <rwatkins-mbp> or just open it for them.
Aug 22 17:28:17 <fxspec06> webos in people's hands === SUCCESS. no matter how it happened
Aug 22 17:28:19 <Tibfib> when sharing to instapaper/
Aug 22 17:28:21 <rwatkins-mbp> ya
Aug 22 17:28:22 <Tibfib> trying to share
Aug 22 17:28:27 <Tibfib> umm yeah probably
Aug 22 17:28:30 <Tibfib> :)
Aug 22 17:28:31 <dcousineau> numbers are good
Aug 22 17:28:34 <dcousineau> and it's great for us now
Aug 22 17:28:35 <hemna> fxspec06, not if it's the last webos in people's hands
Aug 22 17:28:37 <dcousineau> growth is better
Aug 22 17:28:41 <dcousineau> that won't happen
Aug 22 17:28:44 <fxspec06> this is growth
Aug 22 17:28:49 <dcousineau> this is not growth
Aug 22 17:28:51 <dcousineau> this is liquidation
Aug 22 17:28:53 <fxspec06> it's not the last webos in people's hands
Aug 22 17:28:56 <hemna> exactly
Aug 22 17:28:56 <rwatkins-mbp> and RIL to probably but I dont use that option.  :)
Aug 22 17:29:00 <dcousineau> growth is hp going back to manuf. and ordering more devices
Aug 22 17:29:01 <fxspec06> HP said they are continuing webos
Aug 22 17:29:01 <dgathright> hemna: It won't be.  We'll have many more webOS devices produced, just not by HP.
Aug 22 17:29:06 <fxspec06> yes
Aug 22 17:29:09 <hemna> growth is a continuing process....this is simply a liquidation
Aug 22 17:29:21 <hemna> fxspec06, on printers
Aug 22 17:29:22 <dcousineau> will the devices come out in time to compete with the people who learned the lesson from this debacle?
Aug 22 17:29:34 <fxspec06> since when did IRC become the place to stick up for webos
Aug 22 17:29:37 <fxspec06> this is the dev channel
Aug 22 17:29:39 <dcousineau> if it takes 1 year to come out with a new device, but between now and then android pulls a huge price drop
Aug 22 17:29:46 <hemna> wow that new printer has an awesome ui.....print.
Aug 22 17:29:48 <dgathright> Sadly, we're at least 9 months away from a new webOS device, IMO.
Aug 22 17:29:49 <fxspec06> i shouldn't be fighting for my platform in here.
Aug 22 17:30:01 <dcousineau> I'm not bashing webOS
Aug 22 17:30:07 <dcousineau> i'm bashing the massive fuckup HP made
Aug 22 17:30:08 <esser> dont fight for platforms in general. be agnostic
Aug 22 17:30:10 <dcousineau> I still have my touchpad
Aug 22 17:30:15 <esser> especially if you're looking to make money as a developer
Aug 22 17:30:29 <fxspec06> it's not dead
Aug 22 17:30:29 <dcousineau> but being realistic, HP killed my platform
Aug 22 17:30:36 <fxspec06> i just don't see how it's dead
Aug 22 17:30:39 <Tibfib> jerks
Aug 22 17:30:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HP fucked up, but webOS still kicks ass and will live. We done? Okay, good.
Aug 22 17:30:42 <fxspec06> how can anyone be so shortsighted
Aug 22 17:30:44 <fxspec06> to think
Aug 22 17:30:45 <hemna> I love WebOS.   I want to see it move forward, but there is no indication that it will as of date.   I hope that changes...but it has to change quickly or it's dead
Aug 22 17:30:48 <fxspec06> that this is the LAST device ever
Aug 22 17:30:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it isn't
Aug 22 17:30:54 <fxspec06> does anyone here come from the future?
Aug 22 17:30:59 <fxspec06> who here owns a delorian?
Aug 22 17:31:00 <rrix> i do
Aug 22 17:31:06 <fxspec06> like seriously
Aug 22 17:31:11 <fxspec06> if anyone here comes from the future
Aug 22 17:31:11 <esser> i almost bought one a couple of months ago
Aug 22 17:31:18 <fxspec06> i will agree and admit defeat
Aug 22 17:31:40 <rrix> fxspec06: werent you one of the guys raging hard on friday? ;)
Aug 22 17:31:54 <PatrickBregman> damnit, does anyone know if zones.com ships international?
Aug 22 17:31:58 <fxspec06> i was very sad on friday
Aug 22 17:32:08 <twbbas> So... anyone looking into writing cross-platform apps now after this announcement by HP?
Aug 22 17:32:15 <fxspec06> but this changes everything.
Aug 22 17:32:19 <Tibfib> twbbas: we are for spaz
Aug 22 17:32:22 <twbbas> I'm attending a 2 day live WP7 event on learning how to program
Aug 22 17:32:24 <dcousineau> twbbas: if they oss enyo
Aug 22 17:32:33 <twbbas> It's an internet event
Aug 22 17:32:39 <Tibfib> we might do some jquery mobile + backbone.js + underscore + minpubsub + phonegap
Aug 22 17:32:39 <rwatkins-mbp> for app version number - can only have 3 parts - major.minor.patch.  does it just parseInt for each to figure out largest number?
Aug 22 17:32:41 <Tibfib> haha.
Aug 22 17:32:46 <rrix> fxspec06: i agree, things look very good for us
Aug 22 17:32:54 <rwatkins-mbp> ie is "1.1.1" the same as "1.1.001" ?
Aug 22 17:33:04 <klausa> 19:29 <fxspec06> but this changes everything.
Aug 22 17:33:07 <klausa> What changes what?
Aug 22 17:33:09 <klausa> Firesale?
Aug 22 17:33:13 <dgathright> What baffles me is that HP is taking a $100 million hit ditching the hardware, yet still won't open-source Enyo.
Aug 22 17:33:14 <Tibfib> rwatkins-mbp: I dunno there
Aug 22 17:33:26 <Tibfib> rwatkins: I believe you are right
Aug 22 17:33:31 <dcousineau> dgathright: from a mgmt perspective: enyo is part of a sellable package
Aug 22 17:33:33 <fxspec06> not just the firesale, but everything that has occured since the firesale began friday night
Aug 22 17:33:34 <Tibfib> as in 1.1.10 is newer than 1.1.1
Aug 22 17:33:41 <dcousineau> dgathright: it would be like removing the gold plating from your car before you sell it
Aug 22 17:33:44 <fxspec06> the firesale represents more than just a firesale
Aug 22 17:33:47 <dcousineau> dgathright: to them
Aug 22 17:33:50 <rwatkins-mbp> hm.  trying to come up with a versioning for beta releases that track production releases.
Aug 22 17:34:16 <rrix> fxspec06: its hundreds of thousands of people now using webos
Aug 22 17:34:21 <Tibfib> rwatkins-mbp: evens are production, odds are beta
Aug 22 17:34:22 <fxspec06> there is the palm blog post, the tweets from richard kerris, the post from chuqi
Aug 22 17:34:24 <rrix> yo hiemanshu
Aug 22 17:34:26 <Tibfib> 0.6 vs 0.7
Aug 22 17:34:31 <fxspec06> the hundreds of thousands of people using webos
Aug 22 17:34:33 <hiemanshu> hey rrix
Aug 22 17:34:37 <rwatkins-mbp> Tibfib: ya, that ship has already sailed.
Aug 22 17:34:42 <Tibfib> rwatkins: haha
Aug 22 17:34:55 <fxspec06> why would HP be selling these devices to people if they were to not support it? HP told us there is a future for webos
Aug 22 17:34:57 <hiemanshu> rrix: still trying to get hold on a touchpad :(
Aug 22 17:34:57 <madnificent> rwatkins-mbp: what Tibfib said
Aug 22 17:34:59 <dgathright> dcousineau: That's if you think the webOS platform is diminished somehow by Enyo being open sourced.  It won't be.  Open sourcing Enyo will make the platform more valuable.
Aug 22 17:35:22 <rrix> hiemanshu: d'ohhh
Aug 22 17:35:23 <klausa> fxspec06: Because they want to get rid of that stuff.
Aug 22 17:35:23 <dcousineau> dgathright: yo'ure preaching to the choir. I fully stand in teh FOSS enyo camp
Aug 22 17:35:27 <madnificent> rwatkins-mbp: i keep track in git, which makes it a tad easier to manage.  but it's far from perfect.  i normally make a mess
Aug 22 17:35:48 <Tibfib> dcousineau: FOSS ENYO FOR LIFE :fistbump:
Aug 22 17:35:51 <dcousineau> dgathright: from MGMT's perspect oss'ing enyo doesn't make as much sense *IF* they're intending on selling off WebOS
Aug 22 17:35:54 <klausa> They are losing $200 on *every single one* of them being sold for that price.
Aug 22 17:35:54 <dcousineau> Tibfib: WORD
Aug 22 17:36:02 <rwatkins-mbp> its more for shoving out multiple beta releases toward a single production release.
Aug 22 17:36:10 <fxspec06> i think everyone knows that
Aug 22 17:36:31 <dgathright> dcousineau: Yeah, agreed.  This whole debacle just shows how idiotic HP mgmt is.
Aug 22 17:36:33 <fxspec06> you have too look at it this way: they are making $99 off every single one of them being sold for that price
Aug 22 17:36:34 <klausa> They would never see *any* of cash from touchpads sold.
Aug 22 17:36:50 <klausa> They only doing it to minimize they losses.
Aug 22 17:36:50 <webhostbudd> sooo
Aug 22 17:36:50 <esser> HP management is idiotic if you see it from the perspective of wanting webOS to succeed.
Aug 22 17:36:56 <klausa> fxspec06: No, they do not.
Aug 22 17:37:00 <fxspec06> yes they do
Aug 22 17:37:12 <fxspec06> OKAY they can 1. throw them in the ocean and NOT see any money
Aug 22 17:37:19 <fxspec06> or 2. sell them for $99 and get marketshare
Aug 22 17:37:28 <rwatkins-mbp> think i may just give up and just always increment the beta version as a patch and just keep track for myself what they match to in productions.  ah well.
Aug 22 17:37:41 <klausa> fxspec06: They are getting some money back.
Aug 22 17:37:48 <klausa> But they are not making any profit on them.
Aug 22 17:37:51 <esser> this headline says it all http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/19/hp_p10000/
Aug 22 17:38:04 <fxspec06> klausa: it's profit if they would never be sold in the first place
Aug 22 17:38:24 <klausa> No, it's smaller loss.
Aug 22 17:38:27 <esser> the touchpad was a gamble by a relatively small group at HP to convince management of the worth of this consumer space with an astounding success
Aug 22 17:38:34 <esser> but as a whole, HP desperately wants out of the consumer space
Aug 22 17:38:41 <esser> the margins are shrinking and it's cut-throat competitive
Aug 22 17:38:42 <fxspec06> klausa: if they kept it the same price, and never had this firesale, they would NEVER make as much money as they are now. there is NO denying that. and NOW, THEY HAVE MARKETSHARE
Aug 22 17:39:00 <johnfromnix> IMO they are intent on losing by cancelling/selling at $99.. If they wanted webOS to succeed they wouldn't have tarnished the platform like this :(
Aug 22 17:39:06 <fxspec06> they are making MORE MONEY OFF THIS FIRESALE than if they kept the product at $499
Aug 22 17:39:12 <klausa> fxspec06: Sure they are.
Aug 22 17:39:16 <esser> hell, if i were HP, i'd try to get the fuck out of this space as fast as human possible
Aug 22 17:39:19 <dcousineau> they are minimizing losses
Aug 22 17:39:19 <fxspec06> so how is this failing?
Aug 22 17:39:21 <klausa> But in the end of the ay it doesn't matter.
Aug 22 17:39:31 <fxspec06> how does it not matter?
Aug 22 17:39:32 <dcousineau> there's a difference between selling at a loss to grow market share
Aug 22 17:39:34 <dcousineau> a la Xbox
Aug 22 17:39:38 <dcousineau> and dumping inventory
Aug 22 17:39:38 <fxspec06> i see more money from this klausa
Aug 22 17:39:42 <fxspec06> it matters to me
Aug 22 17:39:45 <fxspec06> it affects me personally
Aug 22 17:39:47 <fxspec06> directly
Aug 22 17:39:49 <dcousineau> if they were continuing manuf. this would be an investment
Aug 22 17:40:02 <johnfromnix> dcousineau: exactly.. they could still have sold at a loss and not damaged the platform
Aug 22 17:40:04 <klausa> dcousineau: Game console really aren't good analogies to that.
Aug 22 17:40:08 <craiger> anybody find a $99 touch pad on sale anywhere today?
Aug 22 17:40:16 <webhostbudd> yea
Aug 22 17:40:20 <twbbas> craiger: barnes and noble might still have them
Aug 22 17:40:20 <webhostbudd> im looking for one aswell
Aug 22 17:40:23 <dcousineau> klausa: not the best, but it's the most visible example of selling at a loss to grow marketshare to profit on software, etc. slaes
Aug 22 17:40:23 <webhostbudd> right
Aug 22 17:40:25 <webhostbudd> right
Aug 22 17:40:32 <craiger> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862#edit41815736   << is that up to date?
Aug 22 17:40:33 <webhostbudd> because bn cant even fill my order from yesterday
Aug 22 17:40:36 <craiger> (availability list)
Aug 22 17:40:38 <webhostbudd> they massively screwed up
Aug 22 17:40:58 <dgathright> Hopefully they at least sell the "Touchpad" brand to a new partner to produce.  Would be stupid to not allow someone to make a Touchpad 2.  But then again, that would make too much sense.
Aug 22 17:40:59 <Tibfib> craiger: typically it is
Aug 22 17:41:05 <Tibfib> Yeah it is
Aug 22 17:41:23 <Tibfib> craiger: that thread has seen more than 40,000 posts
Aug 22 17:41:24 <klausa> dcousineau: Yeah, but even if you assume they have 10% of game price, that's still more than 30% HP makes on $5 app.
Aug 22 17:41:30 <kevets> just posted: http://gdgt.com/discuss/palm-post-mortem-what-could-have-been-fog/   shows how much was being worked on... dang
Aug 22 17:41:38 <kevets> mostly stuff that had been rumored before
Aug 22 17:41:39 <klausa> Not to mention games sale at *much*, *much* bigger volume.
Aug 22 17:41:45 <kevets> thought the talk of a webos Foleo device was interesting
Aug 22 17:41:46 <craiger> ok, so just  keep watching that thread then
Aug 22 17:41:49 <dcousineau> klausa: well rather than selling at a loss expecting a return on expesnive games, they'd sell at a loss expecting to sell future devices at a profit
Aug 22 17:41:50 <esser> there is also a serious question here of whether HP will survive as a comnpany.
Aug 22 17:41:59 <esser> it's most recent reporting was disasterous
Aug 22 17:42:39 <dcousineau> klausa: like I said, not a perfect example, but close enough to illustrate how selling at a loss *could* be beneificial, but no matter how you intend to recoup it all hinges on continuing to produce something
Aug 22 17:43:07 <klausa> fxspec06: It doesn't matter at the end of the day because you can't just write off money pumped into manufacturing and say "Oh, well, shit. Guess we got 1/10 of that back, maybe be waste another billions and try whether it'll work this time."
Aug 22 17:43:32 <klausa> dcousineau: You believe that even 1/10 of new TouchPads owner would buy them at regular price?
Aug 22 17:43:36 <klausa> New model, that is?
Aug 22 17:43:38 <esser> lol the shareholders will eat you alive
Aug 22 17:43:40 <madnificent> does anyone know what a touchpad actually costs for hp?
Aug 22 17:43:42 <klausa> I think that less than 1% would.
Aug 22 17:43:43 <fxspec06> how does it not matter
Aug 22 17:43:50 <madnificent> esser: they should eat him alive right now
Aug 22 17:43:50 <klausa> madnificent: Over $300.
Aug 22 17:43:51 <fxspec06> how does 500,000 people having webos not matter
Aug 22 17:43:59 <dcousineau> klausa: maybe. Though it would be a longer sale, as wlel as volume would drive down component costs
Aug 22 17:44:03 <esser> http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/07/hp-touchpad-parts-analyzed-manufacturing-cost-similar-to-the-ip/
Aug 22 17:44:06 <esser> ^ prod cost
Aug 22 17:44:12 <klausa> fxspec06: Becaus that's riddiculously small number.
Aug 22 17:44:20 <klausa> iPad has sold in what
Aug 22 17:44:23 <madnificent> klausa: that's 210 euros... not that extreme...
Aug 22 17:44:25 <klausa> 40m already?
Aug 22 17:44:25 <fxspec06> but it's not
Aug 22 17:44:33 <Tibfib> fight fight fight fight!
Aug 22 17:44:35 <klausa> And they still made maybe
Aug 22 17:44:35 <fxspec06> look i understand the numbers
Aug 22 17:44:40 <Tibfib> someone get angry and go crazy!
Aug 22 17:44:41 <dcousineau> klausa: if there was a large enough ecosystem of apps and fellow users, I could see a $250 touchpad doing well. at a large enough volume you could conceivably source components, assemble, sell, and still profit on that amount
Aug 22 17:44:48 <dcousineau> klausa: *potentially*
Aug 22 17:44:48 <klausa> You just don't undestand what they mean.
Aug 22 17:44:51 <fxspec06> but i'd like to see 500,000 people buy your app
Aug 22 17:44:58 <esser> if the eco system consists of, say, 5 million people
Aug 22 17:45:04 <fxspec06> the webos userbase before the touchpad was 20,000, TOPS
Aug 22 17:45:07 <fxspec06> for all phones
Aug 22 17:45:10 <esser> and the purchase rates are, let's say a median between ipad and android rates
Aug 22 17:45:16 <esser> just for the sake of argument (it will be less than that)
Aug 22 17:45:19 <esser> you will still go broke
Aug 22 17:45:27 <fxspec06> how is multiplying that by 25, A BAD THING FOR WEBOS
Aug 22 17:45:32 <fxspec06> please. explain THAT part to me
Aug 22 17:45:36 <fxspec06> i don't care about anything else
Aug 22 17:45:45 <klausa> dcousineau: even then it wouldn't make much money.
Aug 22 17:45:46 <fxspec06> tell me how 20,000 ---> 500,000 is a bad thing
Aug 22 17:45:55 <klausa> fxspec06: It's not a bad thing.
Aug 22 17:45:57 <dunivan> any stats on hp sales?
Aug 22 17:45:59 <fxspec06> right
Aug 22 17:46:02 <klausa> It just doesn't change a fucking thing.
Aug 22 17:46:03 <fxspec06> exactly
Aug 22 17:46:08 <dcousineau> klausa: no, but it's a vicious market. you'd have to suck up small profit margins for the near future
Aug 22 17:46:08 <fxspec06> that is the bottom line here
Aug 22 17:46:13 <fxspec06> that's the only thing that matters
Aug 22 17:46:16 <fxspec06> is the userbase
Aug 22 17:46:25 <directhex> fxspec06, HP have a legal obligation to their shareholders to maximize profits. the question is how many shareholders are happy with speculative "long game" investment, i.e. "spend a few billion now, get it back in 5-10 years"
Aug 22 17:46:31 <klausa> dcousineau: Oh, come on - even apple probably doesn't make any money on App Store.
Aug 22 17:46:33 <fxspec06> 360 isn't going away, no matter if microsoft stops making consoles
Aug 22 17:46:33 <directhex> fxspec06, most shareholders are interested in short term gains only
Aug 22 17:46:41 <Tibfib> klausa: lolz
Aug 22 17:46:41 <dunivan> right, but we will not have support or new hard ware
Aug 22 17:46:47 <klausa> They paid what - $1,5b to developers?
Aug 22 17:46:48 <fxspec06> this isn't just a short term gain
Aug 22 17:46:49 <dcousineau> klausa: Apple makes money because they're apple and they cornered the market
Aug 22 17:47:03 <dcousineau> klausa: yes they make money on the app store, and they make close to 50% profit on their devices
Aug 22 17:47:12 <Tibfib> klausa: right, 1.5b to developers. that's the 70% to devs
Aug 22 17:47:16 <Tibfib> 30 they kept
Aug 22 17:47:22 <Tibfib> 30%
Aug 22 17:47:23 <esser> apple makes huge fucking shopping carts of platinum bricks on it's appstore
Aug 22 17:47:32 <directhex> fxspec06, it's cutting losses on their hardware, to try & make the software retain some value
Aug 22 17:47:33 <klausa> That's 600 million dolars.
Aug 22 17:47:40 <dwc-> awww
Aug 22 17:47:42 <fxspec06> but the BOTTOM LINE: 500,000 webos users
Aug 22 17:47:45 <dcousineau> the biggest continued failing in this market is attempting to compete with Apple
Aug 22 17:47:45 <fxspec06> up from 20,000
Aug 22 17:47:47 <fxspec06> in two months
Aug 22 17:47:50 <Tibfib> klausa: that's nothing. right?
Aug 22 17:47:52 <fxspec06> that's the bottom line
Aug 22 17:47:54 <fxspec06> that's the number
Aug 22 17:47:54 <dwc-> the palm store was out of touchstone docks and cases :(
Aug 22 17:47:58 <klausa> I think infrastacture of Apple Store costs more or less that much omey.
Aug 22 17:48:01 <klausa> mone*
Aug 22 17:48:03 <klausa> fuck
Aug 22 17:48:05 <klausa> *money
Aug 22 17:48:07 <klausa> *App Store
Aug 22 17:48:10 <dcousineau> klausa: really?
Aug 22 17:48:13 <ianbeck> fxspec06: if the userbase has no chance of growth, then that 20,000 => 500,000 won't matter a bit because we can't sustain app sales long-term for either number
Aug 22 17:48:14 <dcousineau> klausa: no.
Aug 22 17:48:22 <ianbeck> fxspec06: Only matters if they license it quick, in most likelihood
Aug 22 17:48:24 <esser> the problem with your assumption is that you will actually sell the app
Aug 22 17:48:31 <esser> iOS is the only market that has strong app sales
Aug 22 17:48:44 <klausa> fxspec06: It may matter to you.
Aug 22 17:48:47 <madnificent> esser: for the few apps that work
Aug 22 17:48:47 <esser> if it's anything less, you're look at less than 1 percent of users spending money, in the end
Aug 22 17:48:49 <ianbeck> And iOS does not have strong app sales for the majority of developers, based on every estimation I've read
Aug 22 17:48:52 <klausa> That userbase inceased tenfold.
Aug 22 17:48:58 <madnificent> esser: i don't want to be an iOS dev
Aug 22 17:49:00 <klausa> It doesn't chage a flying fuck for HP.
Aug 22 17:49:03 <esser> so you're look at like, 5000 people looking to be app buyers
Aug 22 17:49:04 <esser> at the most
Aug 22 17:49:08 <fxspec06> they already said they were looking to license webOS
Aug 22 17:49:09 <esser> you can't live off that
Aug 22 17:49:14 <fxspec06> did everyone here miss that?
Aug 22 17:49:14 <dcousineau> ianbeck: true. the iOS market is great for Apple, but it's so flooded it sucks for individual devs
Aug 22 17:49:21 <fxspec06> like seriously
Aug 22 17:49:26 <fxspec06> was I the only person here who read that
Aug 22 17:49:32 <madnificent> fxspec06: to whom?  who will want it?  doesn't seem that viable to me
Aug 22 17:49:34 <Tibfib> esser: webos users are good at buying apps
Aug 22 17:49:35 <dcousineau> fxspec06: we're not stupid. We just don't believe what we read until it happens
Aug 22 17:49:37 <esser> fxspec06: microsoft will kill itself with a rusy spoon before it lets that happen
Aug 22 17:49:43 <Tibfib> we've just never had a lot of them.
Aug 22 17:49:54 <esser> MS is going to kill, steal, threaten, extort, and flood everyone with free gear to prevent webos from being adopted as another competitor
Aug 22 17:50:00 <esser> and they have the cash to make it happen
Aug 22 17:50:00 <dwc-> now to plug in my TOUCHPAD
Aug 22 17:50:07 <dwc-> well, actually I shoudl get some work done first now
Aug 22 17:50:10 <madnificent> Tibfib: but we're getting different webos users now... not the buying kind.  we're getting the dirt cheap kind
Aug 22 17:50:16 <klausa> fxspec06: Maybe they will.
Aug 22 17:50:17 <fxspec06> HP: touchpad will be #2 tablet...... 6 months later, and touchpad is #2 tablet
Aug 22 17:50:17 <rrix> ms is competing?
Aug 22 17:50:20 <Tibfib> madnificent: right
Aug 22 17:50:21 <dcousineau> madnificent: the Groupon kind :P
Aug 22 17:50:53 <klausa> That still means - HP is out of webOS devices buisness.
Aug 22 17:51:04 <klausa> Maybe someone else will pick up where they left.
Aug 22 17:51:06 <klausa> Maybe.
Aug 22 17:51:15 <klausa> I won't believe until I see one.
Aug 22 17:51:17 <fxspec06> maybe. i'd say it's highly likely
Aug 22 17:51:25 <ianbeck> I hope so; just pessimistic given upper management's apparent lack of any commitment to webOS
Aug 22 17:51:27 <rrix> i would too
Aug 22 17:51:31 <fxspec06> i'd say it's more likely that nobody would pick up webos
Aug 22 17:51:38 <rrix> everyone is looking to differentiate. enter webos
Aug 22 17:51:39 <fxspec06> more unlikely*
Aug 22 17:51:41 <klausa> Even if they will - they will be NOWHERE NEAR level of sales of TouchPad.
Aug 22 17:51:56 <fxspec06> again, how do you know this?
Aug 22 17:51:59 <dunivan> i think thats crap
Aug 22 17:52:01 <dcousineau> as long as HP's willing to sell patents
Aug 22 17:52:07 <fxspec06> a lot of people think ipad is crap
Aug 22 17:52:11 <dcousineau> given the patent nuclear war
Aug 22 17:52:11 <esser> webos has a very small chance in the european market.
Aug 22 17:52:13 <rrix> the touchpad is an instrjment of mindshare at the very least, now.
Aug 22 17:52:17 <dcousineau> noone wants to take on a liability without a shield
Aug 22 17:52:18 <madnificent> ianbeck: you can leave 'to webOS' out of that ;)
Aug 22 17:52:24 <fxspec06> the touchpad is a money pit right now
Aug 22 17:52:25 <dunivan> if samsung made the galaxy tab 10.1 for 99 bucks, it will make the hp sale look like a garage sale
Aug 22 17:52:26 <fxspec06> for developers
Aug 22 17:52:27 <klausa> fxspec06: I don't know, have you seen sales numbers on well, any tablet other than iPAd?
Aug 22 17:52:30 <ianbeck> madnificent: Ha ha, yeah
Aug 22 17:52:34 <dcousineau> and promises to defend are kinda worthless given how easily Apple stepped around google to sue individual Android vendors
Aug 22 17:52:35 <klausa> Newsflash: nobody wants them.
Aug 22 17:52:39 <klausa> Except for geeks.
Aug 22 17:52:40 <esser> dunivan: accurate.
Aug 22 17:52:45 <linuxjacques> samsung is giving away 10.1 tabs with some TVs now
Aug 22 17:53:04 <fxspec06> klausa: yes, they all suck
Aug 22 17:53:08 <madnificent> linuxjacques: hp did the same with their printers, if you hadn't noticed
Aug 22 17:53:14 <linuxjacques> (see BB's ad this weekend)
Aug 22 17:53:14 <fxspec06> but now people have touchpads
Aug 22 17:53:16 <madnificent> linuxjacques: pre-webos tablets that is.  they run android
Aug 22 17:53:27 <rrix> klausa: my mum asked me to pick one up for her. some art major friends have. i think youre wrkng
Aug 22 17:53:29 <fxspec06> why wouldn't someone who bought and liked the touchpad want another one
Aug 22 17:53:31 <dunivan> i didnt even buy a touchpad for 99
Aug 22 17:53:50 <esser> i've ordered one because it's cheaper than a kindle
Aug 22 17:54:00 <rrix> small cases, but its more widespread, watching
Aug 22 17:54:02 <klausa> rrix: Nobody was of course hyperbole.
Aug 22 17:54:20 <dunivan> the sale price is over today right?
Aug 22 17:54:21 <klausa> But comparing number to Apple number, you can actually say that nobody wants them.
Aug 22 17:54:39 <rrix> comparing to apple is stupid, sorry
Aug 22 17:54:49 <fxspec06> okay, and comparing to microsoft windows nobody wants linux
Aug 22 17:54:54 <fxspec06> that's smart
Aug 22 17:54:56 <klausa> No, saying that Apple deosn't exists it's stupid.
Aug 22 17:54:56 <rrix> rigut
Aug 22 17:55:02 <esser> another thing to remember here is, apple hasn't actually thrown a punch in this fight.
Aug 22 17:55:04 <rrix> who said that?
Aug 22 17:55:05 <klausa> fxspec06: On desktop computers?
Aug 22 17:55:07 <klausa> Abosulutely.
Aug 22 17:55:08 <esser> they haven't even *tried* to counter competition yet
Aug 22 17:55:13 <dcousineau> you don't ignore apple's existence
Aug 22 17:55:15 <klausa> Nobody sane wants it.
Aug 22 17:55:17 <klausa> Maybe OS X.
Aug 22 17:55:27 <klausa> But running Linux on desktop is fucking chore.
Aug 22 17:55:33 <klausa> And yeah, nobody wants them.
Aug 22 17:55:36 <rrix> lol
Aug 22 17:55:37 <madnificent> klausa: is not, it's easy
Aug 22 17:55:41 <fxspec06> bad analogy
Aug 22 17:55:53 <rrix> i get the feeling klausa is just trolling at this point
Aug 22 17:55:54 <klausa> madnificent: No, it's not.
Aug 22 17:55:59 <dcousineau> you accept the fact that apple's marketing is locked in
Aug 22 17:56:09 <klausa> I mean - maybe set up is relatively similar to windows.
Aug 22 17:56:10 <dcousineau> and it's not based on anything physical
Aug 22 17:56:17 <dcousineau> and that kind of marketing can't just be uprooted overnight
Aug 22 17:56:23 <dcousineau> it took a decade of work
Aug 22 17:56:24 <klausa> Settuing up web browser and email is maybe easy.
Aug 22 17:56:30 <fxspec06> Apple definitely exists, and in order to beat Apple, whoever takes them on needs to copy them exactly
Aug 22 17:56:31 <madnificent> klausa: in fact, the last few years i'd argue that it's vastly simpler.  it installs simpler, you have the package manager to support your software (no/less malware).
Aug 22 17:56:39 <shadeslayer> ^^ true that
Aug 22 17:56:49 <fxspec06> look at the touchpad: same weight and dimensions as iPad 1
Aug 22 17:56:53 <rrix> linux has consistently proven itself to work better in The Real World. to say thats not true is blindness or trolling
Aug 22 17:56:59 <madnificent> klausa: my brothers both run linux, and one of them really isn't the it guy.  he never asks anything about issues, it just works.
Aug 22 17:57:01 <esser> here's another fact for you: if you're a device maker that tries to compete with apple's tablet head to head in the US anytime in the next 5 years or so, you're going to get fucked up
Aug 22 17:57:06 <shadeslayer> the problem is ... people coming from a Windows/OS X background are new to the concept of package management
Aug 22 17:57:07 <madnificent> klausa: it used to be different, that's true
Aug 22 17:57:11 <esser> apple is going to kick the shit out of you and your family and then kill your dog.
Aug 22 17:57:17 <fxspec06> esser: so true
Aug 22 17:57:27 <rrix> this is boring.
Aug 22 17:57:30 <shadeslayer> heh
Aug 22 17:57:36 <klausa> Linux is better.
Aug 22 17:57:41 <klausa> Then 5 years ago.
Aug 22 17:57:54 <rrix> theres just a room full of people yelling at the walls now
Aug 22 17:58:05 <dunivan> chuq you here
Aug 22 17:58:16 <klausa> But it's still *nowhere* near to ready for your mom and dod.
Aug 22 17:58:18 <klausa> *dad.
Aug 22 17:58:20 <fxspec06> unless HP or HTC or Samsung can buy $50B in mobile device parts UP FRONT, then -NOBODY- ahs a chance at taking on Apple.
Aug 22 17:58:24 <Tibfib> dunivan: no
Aug 22 17:58:31 <fxspec06> but by this theory, nobody should ever even try
Aug 22 17:58:32 <klausa> *Your* mam or dad *maybe* is able to figure it out.
Aug 22 17:58:39 <dunivan> he didnt quit did he tibfib?
Aug 22 17:58:46 <klausa> But in general - nope, not there.
Aug 22 17:58:47 <dunivan> nah, apple is beatable
Aug 22 17:58:47 <fxspec06> because nobody ever had a chance
Aug 22 17:58:48 <Tibfib> dunivan: he is not in this channel
Aug 22 17:58:54 <Tibfib> dunivan: he didn't quit afaik
Aug 22 17:58:56 <fxspec06> dunivan - of course they are beatable
Aug 22 17:59:00 <rrix> he didnt quit
Aug 22 17:59:07 <fxspec06> but someone has to try first
Aug 22 17:59:09 <dunivan> you just wont do it by investing money up front then saying i quit
Aug 22 17:59:19 <fxspec06> nobody has invested in it yet
Aug 22 17:59:22 <dunivan> 48 days people, thats how long hp gave webos
Aug 22 17:59:28 <dunivan> palm kept it alive for 3 years
Aug 22 17:59:28 <Tibfib> 49 I think
Aug 22 17:59:32 <fxspec06> it's a better plan then NOT quitting and NEVER getting the marketshare
Aug 22 17:59:37 <klausa> And Shuttleworth putting bleeding edge THAT ISN'T FUCKING READY even for developers to use into most popular Linux distro, really isn't helping.
Aug 22 17:59:40 <klausa> Like really.
Aug 22 17:59:42 <fxspec06> would you rather they sold 100,000 over the course of a year?
Aug 22 17:59:47 <akanster> The Kin lasted a day longer
Aug 22 17:59:50 <fxspec06> or get 500,000 into people's hands, RIGHT NOW
Aug 22 18:00:02 <Tibfib> akanster: oh, I was thinking we lasted a day longer than kin
Aug 22 18:00:02 <fxspec06> which is better klausa?
Aug 22 18:00:07 <madnificent> klausa: i'm not particularly happy with the latest ubuntu release either, yet still, it does more than windows does
Aug 22 18:00:08 <dunivan> but you all forget half the selling value of the touchpad wont ever come out
Aug 22 18:00:09 <klausa> I had friends that installed Windows after last ubuntu update.
Aug 22 18:00:12 <Tibfib> harry potter > twilight fxspec06
Aug 22 18:00:15 <dunivan> thnd thats touch to share
Aug 22 18:00:22 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 18:00:25 <fxspec06> f twilight
Aug 22 18:00:36 <fxspec06> harry potter ftw
Aug 22 18:00:36 <Tibfib> sharkboy > vampire
Aug 22 18:00:42 <akanster> Tibfib: meh I dont know any more.  You may be right
Aug 22 18:00:52 <linuxjacques> lol, I went on vacation to WA, and happened to pass through Forks
Aug 22 18:00:52 <Tibfib> akanster: I think you are
Aug 22 18:00:53 <fxspec06> shark week was two weeks ago
Aug 22 18:01:02 <linuxjacques> whole town is a twilight tourist trap now
Aug 22 18:01:19 <linuxjacques> a bit sad
Aug 22 18:01:31 <Tibfib> linuxjacques: oh is that where it is filmed?
Aug 22 18:01:33 <Tibfib> or based?
Aug 22 18:01:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib... can't wait to see those mockups!
Aug 22 18:01:40 <linuxjacques> Tibfib: both
Aug 22 18:01:48 <Tibfib> gotcha
Aug 22 18:01:51 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD: you never gave me an app idea
Aug 22 18:02:01 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: tehe app will be done today
Aug 22 18:02:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> jsdhfaksjdhask?!!?
Aug 22 18:02:06 <Tibfib> if I get the images soon
Aug 22 18:02:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ROFL
Aug 22 18:02:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's excellent
Aug 22 18:02:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> send me your paypal email once it's done
Aug 22 18:02:27 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD: where do i begin with  jsdhfaksjdhask and what does it do
Aug 22 18:02:30 <Tibfib> kk
Aug 22 18:02:34 <klausa> fxspec06: Of course 500k at loss.
Aug 22 18:02:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and fxspec06: I'll be brainstorming app ideas in the car
Aug 22 18:02:39 <klausa> If they want cash.
Aug 22 18:02:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> goign to Best Buy now to get my money
Aug 22 18:02:45 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: you know you don't have to send me the $5 if you don't want
Aug 22 18:02:46 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 22 18:02:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I promised
Aug 22 18:03:06 <Tibfib> it's 5 measily dollars
Aug 22 18:03:17 <Tibfib> s/measily/measly/
Aug 22 18:03:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> regardless, a promise is a promise
Aug 22 18:03:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 22 18:04:27 <klausa> fxspec06: But that doesn't mean they lost $100000000 on them.
Aug 22 18:04:32 <klausa> Read that number.
Aug 22 18:04:43 <klausa> Out loud, if that helps you.
Aug 22 18:04:56 <klausa> (They actually lost much, much more, but whatever.)
Aug 22 18:05:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> klausa, the said they lost 70 million
Aug 22 18:05:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> as much as apple spends on advertising
Aug 22 18:05:15 <klausa> Who said that.
Aug 22 18:05:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so save it
Aug 22 18:05:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> one of their reps
Aug 22 18:05:33 <akanster> ooh, just read this in the forums - "If you are a developer, you can write off the Touchpad as an expense on your taxes."
Aug 22 18:05:35 <klausa> Link?
Aug 22 18:05:39 <akanster> thanks Uncle Sam!
Aug 22 18:05:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> one sec
Aug 22 18:05:45 <shadeslayer> akanster: hah what :D
Aug 22 18:06:01 <klausa> That's very, very, very low.
Aug 22 18:06:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> klausa: I'll also ask for a link to your number, please
Aug 22 18:06:06 <fxspec06> LINK?!
Aug 22 18:06:10 <fxspec06> akanster
Aug 22 18:06:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> or did you just fucking make it up, klausa?
Aug 22 18:06:16 <rrix> akanster: lolwat
Aug 22 18:06:27 <akanster> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=17620
Aug 22 18:06:46 <klausa> IGNTNUNLMTD: I multiplied cost of touchpad-price they are selling for and multiplied it by half million.
Aug 22 18:07:12 <klausa> You can do that math for yourself to check out wheter I did any mistakes there.
Aug 22 18:07:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do you own one, klausa?
Aug 22 18:07:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do you own a TouchPad or any webOS device?
Aug 22 18:07:50 <klausa> I'm gonna get mine at beginning of September.
Aug 22 18:08:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so you don't
Aug 22 18:08:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and are you a webOS developer?
Aug 22 18:08:25 <klausa> Maybe I'll become one.
Aug 22 18:08:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> like I thought, you're not worth my or anyone else's time in here. ignored.
Aug 22 18:09:24 <hotdp> lol
Aug 22 18:09:46 <klausa> Yeah, way to discuss.
Aug 22 18:09:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for god sakes, what happened to this channel?
Aug 22 18:09:54 <rrix> thats slightly non-excellent behavior
Aug 22 18:10:01 <akanster> IGNTNUNLMTD: HP Leo'd it.
Aug 22 18:10:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> evidently
Aug 22 18:10:07 <rrix> IGNTNUNLMTD: i half million touchpads happened
Aug 22 18:10:10 <directhex> elop'd
Aug 22 18:10:12 <hotdp> lol
Aug 22 18:10:14 <ianbeck> akanster: Ha ha, awesome
Aug 22 18:10:20 <akanster> ;)
Aug 22 18:10:23 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: the good people were all that were left at webOS
Aug 22 18:10:23 <rrix> elopocolypse 2.0, indeed
Aug 22 18:10:30 <fxspec06> great link akanster, +1
Aug 22 18:10:32 <Tibfib> got more popular, the crappy people came
Aug 22 18:10:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: :-(
Aug 22 18:10:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yep
Aug 22 18:10:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the Android krew
Aug 22 18:10:48 <directhex> rrix, we're contractors for nokia on meego and hp on touchpad ¬_¬
Aug 22 18:10:58 <fxspec06> it's a catch 22
Aug 22 18:11:16 <fxspec06> we want more but we don't want crap. if we don't want crap then we won't get more
Aug 22 18:11:21 <rrix> directhex: "just one more device, lol"
Aug 22 18:11:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah seriously fxspec06
Aug 22 18:11:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> alright, well I'm off to bestbuy
Aug 22 18:11:32 <directhex> rrix, and previously on maemo!
Aug 22 18:11:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> get my $450
Aug 22 18:11:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'll think of app ideas in the car, fxspec06
Aug 22 18:12:07 <fxspec06> i shouldn't use the word crap
Aug 22 18:12:08 <rrix> directhex: i love nokia but i could never work on anything besides qt, they shaft communities too hard
Aug 22 18:12:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> maybe we can collaborate
Aug 22 18:12:14 <rrix> repeatedly
Aug 22 18:12:20 <rrix> with claw hammers
Aug 22 18:12:26 <fxspec06> thanks IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 22 18:12:43 <DanielC|Mac> seems to me all HP needed was a viral ad campaign and a release price of 300-350
Aug 22 18:13:20 <DanielC|Mac> coming from some random asshole that bought one for 99 :P
Aug 22 18:13:25 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 18:13:56 <robotx> some hints how to use "Unified Diff Creator" with two files?
Aug 22 18:14:05 <Tibfib> open unified diff creator
Aug 22 18:14:07 <Tibfib> open first file
Aug 22 18:14:09 <Tibfib> open second file
Aug 22 18:14:17 <Tibfib> create or something
Aug 22 18:14:20 <Tibfib> PROFIT
Aug 22 18:14:44 <Tibfib> I thought it was pretty straightforward, is it not?
Aug 22 18:15:04 <rrix> profit usually isnt
Aug 22 18:15:05 <robotx> oh really so easy...and i thought i have to copy the files together..
Aug 22 18:15:31 <rwatkins-mbp> "diff -r -u /path1 /path2"
Aug 22 18:17:54 <robotx> thanks i will try it
Aug 22 18:18:18 <akanster> some insight to how the HP/Palm thing went down - http://gdgt.com/discuss/palm-post-mortem-what-could-have-been-fog/
Aug 22 18:19:45 <phoque_uni> fuckin password recovery dialog wont work in Firefox or Chromium
Aug 22 18:19:54 <phoque_uni> HP is so freaking annoying
Aug 22 18:20:02 <Tibfib> phoque_uni: THEN LEAVVE
Aug 22 18:20:24 <phoque_uni> WWAT?
Aug 22 18:23:37 <rrix> wut
Aug 22 18:23:53 <rrix> why is everyone so grumpy
Aug 22 18:24:09 <cwayne> lol
Aug 22 18:24:09 <hiemanshu> because no more touchpads :(
Aug 22 18:24:32 <rrix> hp suit in the punchbowl but we dont need to take it out on eachother.
Aug 22 18:24:44 <rrix> shit, not suitlol
Aug 22 18:25:01 <madnificent> NO, LET'S TAKE IT OUT ON rrix
Aug 22 18:25:02 <rrix> silly XS onscreen :/
Aug 22 18:25:06 <madnificent> rrix: you bastard!
Aug 22 18:25:09 <rrix> madnificent: :<
Aug 22 18:25:14 <madnificent> ;)
Aug 22 18:25:14 <rrix> i didnt mean to
Aug 22 18:25:21 <rrix> ;-;
Aug 22 18:25:54 <sugardave> wtg
Aug 22 18:26:06 <sugardave> now what am I supposed to tell my family?
Aug 22 18:26:31 <madnificent> sugardave: what? why? how? for whom?
Aug 22 18:27:23 <Tibfib_> rrix: he's just been complaining about webOS and HP for the best few days
Aug 22 18:27:31 <Tibfib_> and yes, I'm probably grumpy
Aug 22 18:27:59 <Tibfib_> s/best/past/
Aug 22 18:28:09 <dawm|laptop> fudge
Aug 22 18:28:10 * esser sets rrix on fire
Aug 22 18:28:13 * rrix nods
Aug 22 18:28:14 <dawm|laptop> i knew i should have bought 2 tps
Aug 22 18:28:29 <rrix> let the trolls burn themselves out, dont feed them
Aug 22 18:28:31 <dawm|laptop> guy at work wants to pay me $300 for my 16gb that i dont even have yet
Aug 22 18:28:45 <rrix> esser: i wear kevlar when im on the internet
Aug 22 18:28:56 <directhex> i might have a 32gb within 22 hours. maybe.
Aug 22 18:29:00 <esser> rrix: kevlar is flammable
Aug 22 18:29:03 <dawm|laptop> kevlar isnt exactly fireproof
Aug 22 18:29:10 <sugardave> good to know
Aug 22 18:29:12 <dawm|laptop> nomex..
Aug 22 18:29:22 <rrix> er, nomex
Aug 22 18:29:25 <sugardave> so, flamethrowers and knives for the guys in kevlar
Aug 22 18:29:28 <rrix> i havent coffeed
Aug 22 18:29:33 <craiger> kevlar is carcenogenic too
Aug 22 18:29:38 <sugardave> woo!
Aug 22 18:29:41 <rrix> so is california
Aug 22 18:29:58 <craiger> if you're willing to wait
Aug 22 18:30:10 <esser> yeah but california is way more fun of a way to die than a fireball
Aug 22 18:31:50 <esser> heh http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20095518-94/near-death-webos-is-more-popular-than-ever/
Aug 22 18:36:20 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/accidental-userbase
Aug 22 18:36:23 <fxspec06> wow
Aug 22 18:37:07 <fxspec06> last night the precentral forums set a record for most simultaneous users -- more than 10,000
Aug 22 18:37:56 <Alanrogers> Mainly asking "how do I word process on this?" "how do I put Android on this?"
Aug 22 18:38:06 <madnificent> fxspec06: all looking how to get android running on the thing
Aug 22 18:38:33 <madnificent> that makes the touchpad popular, not webos
Aug 22 18:38:34 <Alanrogers> That's before you get into the more out there conspiracy theories "Samsung made HP sell each touchpad at a massive loss before they would start making the hardware!"
Aug 22 18:39:06 <maik> hah
Aug 22 18:39:09 <gokr1> Note: Before this started we had about 140 people on this channel.
Aug 22 18:39:11 <madnificent> Alanrogers: I wouldn't mind that.  if webos lives on, and hp played a relatively clean game, i'd be back in
Aug 22 18:39:17 <Alanrogers> "that makes the touchpad popular" - it makes cheap stuff popular - I have friends texting me saying "I got one of those touchpad thing - what do I do with it?, what's it for?"
Aug 22 18:39:26 <iluminator101> is a there linux kernel 3.01 kernel port for webos; if so where?
Aug 22 18:39:31 <gokr1> Alanrogers: Tell them to send it to me :)
Aug 22 18:39:36 <madnificent> Alanrogers: they should give it to europeans that like webos
Aug 22 18:39:49 <maik> iluminator101: look up preware and uberkernel
Aug 22 18:39:53 <fxspec06> madnificent: that's not a nice thing to say
Aug 22 18:39:58 <fxspec06> not true either
Aug 22 18:40:08 <maik> unless you're genuinely looking for linux
Aug 22 18:40:10 <Alanrogers> There is a massive bubble at the moment, a lot of people are buying as many as they can to flip - trick is to get out before the bubble collopses (or live in the UK where you can simply send the stuff back to the retailer)
Aug 22 18:40:40 <madnificent> fxspec06: i think you're misinterpreting it.  i'm not saying that other people can't like it.  i'm saying that i, as a eu citizen which has devved webos, would like a touchpad.
Aug 22 18:40:44 <gokr1> Alanrogers: Should I let my reservation at Argos slip? It ends like in... 24 min. Well, I won't make it to that store anyway.
Aug 22 18:41:02 <Alanrogers> Just re-reserve it as soon as it expires
Aug 22 18:41:38 <fxspec06> and I'm saying that there's plenty of people who bought the TouchPad who have never owned webOS before, that genuinely wanted a webOS device
Aug 22 18:41:38 <madnificent> fxspec06: make that "i think i should've been clearer"
Aug 22 18:41:52 <fxspec06> Adora!
Aug 22 18:42:05 <madnificent> fxspec06: yes, but seriously.  would they text Alanrogers to ask 'what do i do with this?'
Aug 22 18:42:14 <Alanrogers> Fxspec06 - yeah as long as it was $99 - ask them again at full price
Aug 22 18:42:24 <fxspec06> ugh.
Aug 22 18:42:29 <fxspec06> Adora -- save me
Aug 22 18:42:34 <madnificent> Adora: best of luck with whatever happens to you Adora
Aug 22 18:42:59 <Alanrogers> I'm sure there are some people in there who will love WebOS but who can tell in the current frenzy?
Aug 22 18:45:03 <haeffb-pre> hey, what if Amazon has a webOS tablet in the works...?
Aug 22 18:45:06 <craiger> pcconnectionexpress.com just sold out
Aug 22 18:45:13 <matbee> the prices on HP are back to $399 :(
Aug 22 18:45:32 <fxspec06> haeffb-pre: nothing is outside the realm of possibility
Aug 22 18:45:39 <fxspec06> it wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit
Aug 22 18:45:55 <haeffb-pre> have they already announced Android?
Aug 22 18:46:01 <twbbas> HP still plans to put webOS on printers and PCs
Aug 22 18:46:02 <twbbas> http://allthingsd.com/20110822/hp-webos-still-coming-to-pcs-and-printers-pre3-launching-in-limited-markets/?mod=socialflow
Aug 22 18:46:07 <haeffb-pre> or was that just speculation?
Aug 22 18:46:16 <ianbeck> haeffb-pre: I think people have been speculating Android because of their Android app store
Aug 22 18:46:18 <fxspec06> Amazon, B&N, hell I'd take coca-cola as a hardware maker, if they said they wanted to put webos on tablets
Aug 22 18:46:31 <shadeslayer> matbee: still $99 here
Aug 22 18:46:33 <fxspec06> i don't see why it matters at all
Aug 22 18:46:39 <fxspec06> Acer is a possibility
Aug 22 18:46:43 <fxspec06> Asus
Aug 22 18:46:49 <fxspec06> put webOS on all of them
Aug 22 18:47:06 <ianbeck> twbbas: Ha ha, I love the picture with that article
Aug 22 18:47:26 <twbbas> lol ya
Aug 22 18:47:27 <fxspec06> sell them at convenience stores, supermarkets, resteraunts
Aug 22 18:47:29 <twbbas> just a flesh wound!
Aug 22 18:47:44 <ianbeck> "I'll bite your arm off!"
Aug 22 18:47:46 <dgathright> “We are continuing with our webOS-on-Windows work,” DeWitt said.  Well, that confirms that webOS on PCs will be running on top of windows, and not a separate boot process.  That's news to me.
Aug 22 18:47:48 <fxspec06> i don't really care how they get it into hands
Aug 22 18:48:02 <fxspec06> dgathright: we already knew that
Aug 22 18:48:06 <twbbas> dgathright: They've already said it will run in a "browser" inside windows
Aug 22 18:48:42 <twbbas> Woot! I just got my first twitter spam after I mentioned the TouchPad :D :D
Aug 22 18:48:51 <robertjw> is there any inventory left anywhere?
Aug 22 18:48:57 <matbee> anyone here have a spare touchpad they want to sell for $140?
Aug 22 18:49:12 <fxspec06> twbbas: like 6 new followers this weekend were spammers
Aug 22 18:49:21 <matbee> :'(
Aug 22 18:49:26 <dgathright> ah.  I was always hoping it would just boot straight to webOS.  Still, better than nothing though.  Wonder if it would be possible to hack onto a Chromebook.
Aug 22 18:49:52 <esser> what the hell is "webos-on-windows"
Aug 22 18:50:02 <fxspec06> it's exactly what it sounds like
Aug 22 18:50:07 <fxspec06> it's webos, on windows
Aug 22 18:50:10 <esser> why
Aug 22 18:50:13 <fxspec06> why not
Aug 22 18:50:13 <ianbeck> esser: They've been dangling that carrot since Feb 9th; absolutely no details ever, though
Aug 22 18:50:22 <fxspec06> why not?
Aug 22 18:50:30 <esser> fxspec06: because nobody needs two OSs?
Aug 22 18:50:36 <matbee> you guys are silly
Aug 22 18:50:38 <twbbas> It's webOS in a browser window on top of windows
Aug 22 18:50:39 <fxspec06> but who cares? it won't cost extra
Aug 22 18:50:40 <directhex> depends what "webos" means in the context.
Aug 22 18:50:43 <craiger> because 640K ought to be enuf for anybody
Aug 22 18:50:44 <fxspec06> omg i'm not doing this again
Aug 22 18:50:44 <matbee> webOS is just a web app
Aug 22 18:50:47 <Tibfib_> MY TOUCHPAD IS HERE
Aug 22 18:50:50 <fxspec06> OMG
Aug 22 18:50:51 <matbee> which runs web apps
Aug 22 18:50:52 <twbbas> Tibfib_:!!!!!
Aug 22 18:50:57 <fxspec06> ;AGIJAFDSOHSFDBSFDUIFBUIKN
Aug 22 18:51:02 <fxspec06> your UPS guy beat my UPS guy
Aug 22 18:51:02 <matbee> :(
Aug 22 18:51:03 <kevets> lol   http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-TouchPad-Tablet-with-16GB-Memory-WiFi-12GHz-Black/e/886111788637?itm=2&usri=hp%2Btouchpad
Aug 22 18:51:04 <Tibfib_> inorite!!!??
Aug 22 18:51:04 <fxspec06> i'm suing UPS
Aug 22 18:51:08 <kevets> 15,934 people like this on FB
Aug 22 18:51:11 <dwc-> my touchpad is here!
Aug 22 18:51:18 <craiger> PC Connection 32 GB [pcconnectionexpress.com]  --- site crashed, phones jammed... sold out
Aug 22 18:51:18 <fxspec06> ASLDKIUSHFIUBHFKIUFVNDXLKIUN
Aug 22 18:51:22 <directhex> dwc-, my pre3 is here. nyerr nyerr.
Aug 22 18:51:25 <dwc-> I beat your UPS guy with my driving to palm hq
Aug 22 18:51:26 <fxspec06> another UPS guy beat my UPS guy
Aug 22 18:51:26 <dgathright> matbee: No quite.  There are many many many components to webOS that are not HTML/CSS/JS
Aug 22 18:51:41 <twbbas> My TouchPad is here!
Aug 22 18:51:43 <dwc-> directhex: plenty of people in line this morning with me had pre3s
Aug 22 18:51:48 <directhex> dwc-, heh
Aug 22 18:51:48 <fxspec06> okay, this is just getting ridiculous
Aug 22 18:51:49 <twbbas> (well it's been here for a while) ;)
Aug 22 18:51:51 <fxspec06> screw you guys
Aug 22 18:52:09 <dwc-> overheard one employee saying apparently those vzw pre3s are going to be turned off
Aug 22 18:52:10 <RagingMind> now that basically every retailer is out of stock for the TP, I wonder how many devices are "in the wild" now
Aug 22 18:52:19 <twbbas> RagingMind: like 400k-500k
Aug 22 18:52:32 <fxspec06> not yet
Aug 22 18:52:35 <matbee> insane
Aug 22 18:52:37 <fxspec06> i'd say 100k right now
Aug 22 18:52:47 <fxspec06> the rest are all in the mail
Aug 22 18:52:48 <matbee> my apps downloads have doubled
Aug 22 18:52:48 <twbbas> well yeah, definitely the most of them have to ship
Aug 22 18:52:49 <fxspec06> or on ebay
Aug 22 18:53:00 <dgathright> Yeah, at most 100k.  I know dozens of people that bought one, but no one has it in their hands yet.
Aug 22 18:53:02 <twbbas> matbee: I got more downloads on my game in the past 2 days than I did in the past 2 months
Aug 22 18:53:05 <matbee> haha
Aug 22 18:53:14 <fxspec06> twbbas what is your game
Aug 22 18:53:17 <linuxjacques> twbbas: which game?
Aug 22 18:53:21 <Tibfib_> ALRIGHT WHERE'S MY KNIFE
Aug 22 18:53:24 <twbbas> Differences by Zone303
Aug 22 18:53:28 <fxspec06> up your ass Tibfib_
Aug 22 18:53:32 <onr> any new touchpad users here?
Aug 22 18:53:32 <twbbas> I just submitted an update last night to enable the in-app purchasing
Aug 22 18:53:36 <fxspec06> ; )
Aug 22 18:53:38 <esser> fxspec06 seems upset.
Aug 22 18:53:46 <fxspec06> his UPS guy beat mine =(
Aug 22 18:53:49 <matbee> :'(
Aug 22 18:53:51 <kevets> dwc-: what Pre 3's? :)
Aug 22 18:53:58 <twbbas> Tibfib_'s about to NomNomNom his TP up
Aug 22 18:53:59 <kevets> *vzw specifically
Aug 22 18:54:02 * fxspec06 gets his knife ready
Aug 22 18:54:16 <RagingMind> so the dev that already had apps as of now-ish will benefit from the fire sale, but with no stream of new devices it'll be hard for any new apps to make much?
Aug 22 18:54:35 <kevets> holy moly if a vzw pre3 dropped i'd probably flip
Aug 22 18:54:43 <twbbas> RagingMind: I expect the next 2 weeks to be epic for app sales and then after that it'll die down for about a year
Aug 22 18:55:58 <iluminator101> can you run meego apps on webos
Aug 22 18:56:29 <onr> iluminator101: which apps you want to run on webos?
Aug 22 18:56:54 <iluminator101> onr i was just wondering in general
Aug 22 18:57:49 <Tibfib_> touchpad is booting!
Aug 22 18:57:55 <twbbas> Tibfib: Nice!
Aug 22 18:58:01 <twbbas> Tibfib: It's epic isn't it? :D
Aug 22 18:58:02 <onr> iluminator101: technically possible
Aug 22 18:58:18 <ianbeck> twbbas: Epically long, that is ;-)
Aug 22 18:58:21 <esser> does the TP have a USB port?
Aug 22 18:58:22 <matbee> I just want a touchpad
Aug 22 18:58:23 <ianbeck> Freaking long boot times
Aug 22 18:58:31 <onr> esser: mini usb
Aug 22 18:58:52 <twbbas> ianbeck: Lol, I was talking about the device
Aug 22 18:59:03 <twbbas> but ya, the boot time of webOS devices is horrible
Aug 22 18:59:05 <Tibfib> except it is not seeing my wifi network
Aug 22 18:59:08 <Tibfib> oopsy
Aug 22 18:59:12 <Tibfib> huzzah!
Aug 22 18:59:14 <Tibfib> complain on irc
Aug 22 18:59:19 <Tibfib> touchpad knows what is up
Aug 22 18:59:37 <twbbas> lol
Aug 22 18:59:41 <esser> onr: any idea if it it can be used in serial mode?
Aug 22 19:00:04 <sugardave> I just boot mine once and then make sure it doesn't run out of juice
Aug 22 19:00:37 <onr> esser: dont know
Aug 22 19:00:50 <fxspec06> i am def gonna want a touchstone for touchpad
Aug 22 19:00:53 <pepone> Tibfib: doesn't make sense, that new users don't buy apps after two weeks of get a TP.
Aug 22 19:01:01 <fxspec06> not necessary for pre, but TP makes a ton of sense
Aug 22 19:01:05 <gokr1> Alanrogers: Can order from comet - you probably already knew.
Aug 22 19:01:08 <goz2> esser: it's charging and sending files from pc for what I know
Aug 22 19:01:12 <gokr1> It is 115, 32gb.
Aug 22 19:01:56 <robertjw> gokr1: link?
Aug 22 19:02:03 <gokr1> comet.co.uk
Aug 22 19:02:18 <gokr1> Make sure you add it to the basket and go to checkout - it will lower when in the basket.
Aug 22 19:02:24 <AndChat|> Is cdw oversold on TP? It just let me put an order through on the 32gb
Aug 22 19:02:30 <gokr1> Gtta run, ciao
Aug 22 19:02:41 <twbbas> fxspec06: I actually like the TS for my Pre more than my TP
Aug 22 19:02:47 <fxspec06> hmm really
Aug 22 19:02:52 <twbbas> fxspec06: I mount it on my wall next to my bed
Aug 22 19:02:55 <sugardave> the puck is cool
Aug 22 19:03:08 <Tibfib> twbbas: that's awesome
Aug 22 19:03:08 <fxspec06> it's not really a puck, more like a cake
Aug 22 19:03:10 <Tibfib> updside down?
Aug 22 19:03:14 <twbbas> Tibfib: yep
Aug 22 19:03:16 <sugardave> I was hoping I could set my phone on the TouchPad one, but it doesn't work
Aug 22 19:03:17 <Tibfib> nice
Aug 22 19:03:20 <twbbas> BUT
Aug 22 19:03:25 <twbbas> I'm moving to Android in a month
Aug 22 19:03:27 <twbbas> >.>
Aug 22 19:03:33 <twbbas> I can't keep my Pre for another year
Aug 22 19:03:34 <fxspec06> =O *GASP*
Aug 22 19:03:34 <rwatkins-mbp> pre3 for $75?  in EU only?
Aug 22 19:03:40 <fxspec06> frankenpre2!!!!!!!
Aug 22 19:03:50 <twbbas> fxspec06: Yeah, I know. I'm gonna do that today/tomorow
Aug 22 19:03:57 <kevets> what?
Aug 22 19:03:58 <twbbas> buttt I have an upgrade available
Aug 22 19:03:58 * Tibfib will hopefully be moving to a wp7 device
Aug 22 19:04:05 <phoque_uni> rwatkins-mbp, they're all sold out, arent they?
Aug 22 19:04:09 <Tibfib> at&t + sim cards = choice
Aug 22 19:04:13 <bmidgley_> "hopefully"?
Aug 22 19:04:13 * fxspec06 still has hopes for pre3 on verizon
Aug 22 19:04:19 * twbbas is on Sprint
Aug 22 19:04:21 <kevets> i'd switch to att for a $75 pre3
Aug 22 19:04:22 <twbbas> no hope there
Aug 22 19:04:24 <kevets> jeebus
Aug 22 19:04:31 <rwatkins-mbp> hm.
Aug 22 19:04:46 <fxspec06> there's always hope in everything
Aug 22 19:04:55 <fxspec06> until there is no hope left
Aug 22 19:04:56 <twbbas> I know that the Pre 3 can't be "sprintified" in the same way as the Pre 2... but is there ANY chance that it can be made to work on Sprint?
Aug 22 19:04:59 <kevets> this week has been insane
Aug 22 19:05:02 <fxspec06> and even then there is still hope
Aug 22 19:05:20 <rwatkins-mbp> best not to get worked up about a pre3 i guess.  will show up on ebay if they dont make them available to devs or in the US.
Aug 22 19:05:58 <ianbeck> I just wish the Veer were on Verizon :-\
Aug 22 19:06:09 <directhex> we never got the veer in the UK
Aug 22 19:06:19 <ianbeck> No way I'm going back to AT&T, but looks like Verizon will never get webOS again (unless we get lucky with a licensor)
Aug 22 19:06:44 <RagingMind> twbbas, you'd have to fiddle with the modem to give it a sprint esn, and I'm not sure how that'd work or if it's possible
Aug 22 19:06:45 <Tibfib> <--- never makes calls
Aug 22 19:06:45 <ianbeck> directhex: Lame, wasn't aware that it hadn't made it across the water
Aug 22 19:06:48 <Tibfib> at&t works great
Aug 22 19:06:49 <rwatkins-mbp> ya, its usually GSM first because you can use unlocked ones easily.
Aug 22 19:07:28 <ianbeck> rwatkins-mbp: Sadly, AT&T doesn't have any service in the one semi-remote place that I regularly need it. Would rather be using GSM in general
Aug 22 19:07:33 <robertjw> cdw is sold out
Aug 22 19:07:36 <directhex> ianbeck, i have a final shipping-grade pre3 though :p
Aug 22 19:08:05 <ianbeck> directhex: I now hate you a little bit with the hatred born of jealousy :-P
Aug 22 19:08:07 <Alanrogers> I notice tempers are starting to get a little hot on Pre-central from carpet-baggers who are turning saying "Sure it was only $99 but it doesn't do X" - that's the problem with people who buy on the cheap - they are cheap! (like me)
Aug 22 19:08:09 <hiemanshu> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/HP-SmartBuy-TouchPad-Wi-Fi-16GB/2414076.aspx
Aug 22 19:08:21 <rwatkins-mbp> at&t sucks just about as much where i am most of the time - manhattan.
Aug 22 19:08:58 <HattCzech_work> hiemanshu: think that will actually work?
Aug 22 19:09:06 <hiemanshu> I think
Aug 22 19:09:31 <hiemanshu> HattCzech_work: doesn't?
Aug 22 19:10:46 <HattCzech_work> trying it now :)
Aug 22 19:10:49 <robotx> orderd now  8 TP each for 99 € just to use it as a mirror in my bathroom...thank you!
Aug 22 19:10:54 <HattCzech_work> (link works, just wondering about the ordering)
Aug 22 19:11:00 <dawm|laptop> hiemanshu: Availability: Call
Aug 22 19:11:08 <hiemanshu> yeah :(
Aug 22 19:11:10 <dawm|laptop> looks like their stock is in question
Aug 22 19:11:19 <hiemanshu> robotx: from?
Aug 22 19:11:29 <robotx> germany
Aug 22 19:11:35 <robotx> hp site
Aug 22 19:12:02 <phoque_uni> robotx, are they back in stock?
Aug 22 19:12:17 <robertjw> I just spoke with a cdw rep and he confirmed that they are out of stock
Aug 22 19:12:21 <kevets> lol robotx
Aug 22 19:12:55 <goz2> robotx: I would like to get just one from that same site, but it appears to be very busy
Aug 22 19:13:26 <hiemanshu> robotx: ugh, I would love to get one :/
Aug 22 19:13:30 <hotdp> and not sending outside germany
Aug 22 19:13:31 <madnificent> robotx: what price?!
Aug 22 19:13:34 <robotx> phoque_uni I don't know the website is not loading ;)
Aug 22 19:13:42 <madnificent> robotx: link me?
Aug 22 19:13:54 <directhex> ianbeck, http://imgur.com/95ulb
Aug 22 19:13:58 <madnificent> oh, they only sell to germans :(
Aug 22 19:13:58 <phoque_uni> robotx, ok, you're out of luck then
Aug 22 19:13:59 <phoque_uni> :-D
Aug 22 19:14:24 <robotx> and just kidding about the mirror btw ;)
Aug 22 19:14:40 <ianbeck> directhex: That's just mean :-)
Aug 22 19:15:18 <goz2> directhex: pretty thing
Aug 22 19:15:52 <robotx> phoque_uni: i have got my TP weeks ago...so yes I m out of luck
Aug 22 19:16:10 * hotdp hopes to get a Pre 3
Aug 22 19:16:24 * HattCzech_work is with hotdp on that
Aug 22 19:16:42 <Alanrogers> Interesting Ars Technica are saying 1000 WebOs developers have been in touch with Microsoft to try and get their free phone and other goodies.
Aug 22 19:16:44 <madnificent> a veer and a touchpad, that'd make me happy as a get lost gift
Aug 22 19:16:53 <pakl> Did the HP website have some available earlier on today??
Aug 22 19:17:07 <madnificent> Alanrogers: i'd be interested as well for the free phone, but it wouldn't be fair.  i don't intend to dev for webos
Aug 22 19:17:13 <madnificent> s/webos/windows/
Aug 22 19:17:33 <HattCzech_work> madnificent: just don't tell them that ;)
Aug 22 19:18:11 <directhex> ianbeck, been trying to get it since friday - was out on friday when DHL tried to deliver, and they're terrible for redelivery/collection
Aug 22 19:18:11 <Bmyers> i thought that was the pre 2
Aug 22 19:18:22 <madnificent> HattCzech_work: doesn't sound particularly fair though
Aug 22 19:19:18 <HattCzech_work> valid point
Aug 22 19:19:41 <HattCzech_work> i'm currently developing for any platform, so i'm up for a test phone
Aug 22 19:19:48 <HattCzech_work> (for work)
Aug 22 19:19:54 <HattCzech_work> personal is webos :)
Aug 22 19:20:09 * haeffb-pre would need to use a WP7 device to decide whether I would want to dev
Aug 22 19:20:24 <Alanrogers> I'm curious to see how much different mango phones are
Aug 22 19:20:26 <madnificent> i'm in doubt though, as we do intend to support more smartphones in our coming startup... wp7 would fit in that, but it'd be a different entity looking at the development of those apps
Aug 22 19:20:27 <haeffb-pre> so its fair
Aug 22 19:20:37 <madnificent> Alanrogers: how certain is it that you'll get a phone from them?
Aug 22 19:21:14 <madnificent> and more importantly, how much time do i have to take my broken webos heart and poke it with a microsoft stick
Aug 22 19:21:16 <Alanrogers> From the sound of it, as long as you have had an app published in the app store and there is a way to verify that - then they are happy to give you a phone
Aug 22 19:21:43 <hotdp> I looked at win7 today its just so fare away from webOS
Aug 22 19:22:23 <madnificent> hotdp: for the startup, it's not our choice, which is why accepting it wouldn't be that bad.  i don't want to /use/ it, but that's not something of their concern
Aug 22 19:22:43 <madnificent> hotdp: the effect for them is, that apps are supported on it... i guess
Aug 22 19:25:00 <Bmyers> what this about if u r a published app devel'r ? who will give you a phone?
Aug 22 19:25:07 <HattCzech_work> Alanrogers: is there a signup page for this? or am i just supposed to respond to that guy's tweet about it>?
Aug 22 19:25:11 <rrix> Why am I taking an intro level data structures class?
Aug 22 19:25:16 <HattCzech_work> Bmyers: microsoft
Aug 22 19:25:28 <Bmyers> linky?
Aug 22 19:25:30 <rrix> university is silly.
Aug 22 19:25:39 <Alanrogers> Dunno to be honest - Is it in his profile information?
Aug 22 19:27:01 <madnificent> if anyone has anything, be sure to let me know... i guess i'm interested
Aug 22 19:27:25 <square> HP hold music is wearing on me
Aug 22 19:27:51 <Tibfib> gosh this puppy is slow
Aug 22 19:27:58 <Tibfib> restoring ~50 apps
Aug 22 19:28:01 <Tibfib> 10 of em being pdk
Aug 22 19:28:02 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 22 19:28:52 <HattCzech_work> Tibfib: there are so many apps on mine... and i'm like... but these are phone apps... i don't want these on here :)
Aug 22 19:29:03 <haeffb-pre> ThePhone@Microsoft.com
Aug 22 19:29:08 <twbbas> Tibfib: Downloaded NomNomNom yet?
Aug 22 19:29:26 <haeffb-pre> Bmyers: ^
Aug 22 19:29:30 <madnificent> haeffb-pre: so basically, you mail them and ask them for a phone?  saying that you've been a webos dev?
Aug 22 19:29:34 <Tibfib> twbbas: nope
Aug 22 19:29:40 <HattCzech_work> haeffb-pre: what information do you provide?
Aug 22 19:30:09 <Bmyers> haeffb-pre: did u contact that address for one?
Aug 22 19:30:28 <haeffb-pre> madnificent: tell him you are webOS developer and want to know more about WP7
Aug 22 19:30:43 <dawm|laptop> i got his reply email
Aug 22 19:30:49 <dawm|laptop> didnt cleary state anything about free phones
Aug 22 19:30:52 <haeffb-pre> haven't asked for phone yet...
Aug 22 19:30:58 <dawm|laptop> except to contact your local mobile champ and start a relationship
Aug 22 19:31:10 <dawm|laptop> from there you may request a device
Aug 22 19:31:21 <dawm|laptop> but the phone section was kinda vague on information
Aug 22 19:31:27 <sugardave> heh
Aug 22 19:31:46 <Tibfib> poor lil tp
Aug 22 19:31:46 <haeffb-pre> search @BrandonWatson on twitter
Aug 22 19:31:49 <madnificent> do they have dev tools for *nix? (i know i know, but i mean it)
Aug 22 19:31:50 <Tibfib> just reset itself
Aug 22 19:31:55 <onr> guys, what kind of games you would like to play on webos?
Aug 22 19:31:56 <Tibfib> I'm sorry I have so many apps
Aug 22 19:32:01 <haeffb-pre> madnificent: no
Aug 22 19:32:02 <Tibfib> onr: tower defense
Aug 22 19:32:03 <Tibfib> rpg
Aug 22 19:32:04 <Tibfib> or
Aug 22 19:32:13 <Tibfib> tower defense OR rpg
Aug 22 19:32:21 <haeffb-pre> onr: none
Aug 22 19:32:29 <Tibfib> still no good tower defense games.
Aug 22 19:32:30 <madnificent> haeffb-pre: no way to run native apps on it?
Aug 22 19:32:31 <Bart-> lol
Aug 22 19:32:35 <Bart-> no games onr
Aug 22 19:32:41 <haeffb-pre> Er, I mean IRC
Aug 22 19:32:47 * madnificent doesn't play games on webos either
Aug 22 19:32:56 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 22 19:32:57 <dawm|laptop> https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/105723283831390209
Aug 22 19:32:58 <haeffb-pre> because I usually win
Aug 22 19:33:08 <dawm|laptop> even the major is suggesting it
Aug 22 19:33:23 <onr> Tibfib: like crusade of density?
Aug 22 19:33:55 <Tibfib> onr: well better than that
Aug 22 19:34:03 <Tibfib> but I'd prefer a final fantasy style game
Aug 22 19:34:54 <Bmyers> http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/22/webos-developers-flocking-to-windows-phone-microsoft-director-says/
Aug 22 19:35:27 <Tibfib> go touchpad go!
Aug 22 19:35:32 <hotdp> "   BrandonWatsonBrandon Watson       Yes! Love to see the #wpdev ecosystem embracing devs everywhere (and #webOS in particular) - "
Aug 22 19:38:05 <twbbas> Tibfib: NomNomNom made the list!!! http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/10-apps-for-your-new-hp-touchpad/3899
Aug 22 19:38:25 <twbbas> "This Google Reader app has to be included on the clever name alone."
Aug 22 19:38:30 <twbbas> rwhitby ^
Aug 22 19:38:47 <matbee> haha
Aug 22 19:39:02 <kevets> oh cool and that lcars clock made it on there too which some guy on the forums just did from somebody asking for it
Aug 22 19:39:04 <johnfromnix> Tibfib: congrats
Aug 22 19:39:26 <rwatkins-mbp> wow, congrats
Aug 22 19:39:31 <square> the average wait was one minute my ass
Aug 22 19:39:42 <fxspec06> but i hate zdnet
Aug 22 19:40:02 <fxspec06> good job on making a nice app Tibfib, but no congrats for making zdnet
Aug 22 19:40:05 <fxspec06> =p
Aug 22 19:40:21 <fxspec06> (i hope you understand)
Aug 22 19:40:58 <twbbas> I don't like one writer there in particular
Aug 22 19:41:06 <Tibfib> oh goodness
Aug 22 19:41:07 <fxspec06> kesne what did you do to my UPS delivery man
Aug 22 19:41:16 <Tibfib> twbbas: WHOA
Aug 22 19:41:17 <Tibfib> thanks!
Aug 22 19:41:21 <twbbas> No problem :D
Aug 22 19:41:57 <twbbas> Tibfib: Too bad he wasn't like "And NomNomNom obviously had some great beta-testers since I didn't find a single bug!"
Aug 22 19:42:02 <twbbas> :p
Aug 22 19:42:02 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 19:42:10 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 19:42:18 <Tibfib> phew touchpad restarted once more
Aug 22 19:42:23 <Tibfib> but looks like everything is restored
Aug 22 19:42:26 <twbbas> nice
Aug 22 19:42:32 <fxspec06> oh crap
Aug 22 19:42:32 <twbbas> go download apps
Aug 22 19:42:37 <fxspec06> should i download the 3.0.2 doctor
Aug 22 19:42:39 <fxspec06> in preparation
Aug 22 19:42:40 <Tibfib> gotta update to 3.0.2
Aug 22 19:42:48 <fxspec06> ARGH. okay downloading now
Aug 22 19:42:52 <twbbas> fxspec06: yeah. I've heard HP's servers are overloaded
Aug 22 19:42:54 <Tibfib> crap
Aug 22 19:42:58 <Shadows`work> twbbas
Aug 22 19:42:59 <twbbas> so OTA update doesn't work
Aug 22 19:43:03 <Shadows`work> overloaded is an understatement
Aug 22 19:43:04 <Shadows`work> lol
Aug 22 19:43:09 <Tibfib> I didn't even get a firesale
Aug 22 19:43:13 <Tibfib> :(
Aug 22 19:43:20 <twbbas> Tibfib: Ask for refund!
Aug 22 19:43:25 <madnificent> twbbas: s/'s servers are/ is/
Aug 22 19:43:39 <square> good luck getting in touch with someone to ask
Aug 22 19:43:44 <Tibfib> oops
Aug 22 19:43:49 <Tibfib> forgot swiping an app down closes it
Aug 22 19:43:52 <Tibfib> used to maximize it
Aug 22 19:43:52 <twbbas> hahhaa
Aug 22 19:43:53 <Tibfib> >.<
Aug 22 19:43:55 <twbbas> fail
Aug 22 19:43:57 <craiger> tigerdirect and compusa are both down
Aug 22 19:44:03 <twbbas> Tibfib: turn it around and go WHEEEE
Aug 22 19:44:05 <fxspec06> damn, i need a direct link or serial number
Aug 22 19:44:17 <Tibfib> heheh
Aug 22 19:44:20 <Tibfib> twbbas: first think I did
Aug 22 19:44:27 <twbbas> fxspec06: can't you go to webos-internals.org and find links there?
Aug 22 19:44:34 <Tibfib> s/think/thing/
Aug 22 19:44:50 <Tibfib> 3.0.2 seems to be downloading. we'll see
Aug 22 19:44:51 <fxspec06> oh sure. i was there, but i didn't even see the link even though it hit me in the face
Aug 22 19:44:56 <twbbas> fxspec06: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Wifi_Only
Aug 22 19:45:09 <fxspec06> yeah, i got it
Aug 22 19:45:16 <fxspec06> 800KB/s
Aug 22 19:45:19 <Tibfib> yep dling
Aug 22 19:45:26 <twbbas> fxspec06: that's 5 times my internet speed
Aug 22 19:45:42 <fxspec06> it's slow on mine. i've seen it go to 1.1MB/s before
Aug 22 19:45:47 <twbbas> dang
Aug 22 19:45:51 <twbbas> that's like uber fast
Aug 22 19:45:51 <fxspec06> and i'm on wireless n
Aug 22 19:46:10 <dawm|laptop> fxspec06: you do know that means nothing
Aug 22 19:46:28 <dawm|laptop> youre providers modem is only 10mbit
Aug 22 19:46:37 <rwatkins-mbp> wonder if unthrottle patch also affects os update downloads
Aug 22 19:46:43 <cwayne> does the touchpad app catalog show you non-touchpad apps that you can dl and run in the mojo emulator?
Aug 22 19:46:49 <dawm|laptop> wireless n is only useful over the LAN
Aug 22 19:46:50 <oil> Tibfib: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/10-apps-for-your-new-hp-touchpad/3899
Aug 22 19:46:55 <oil> nomnomnom gets mention
Aug 22 19:47:07 <oil> " This Google Reader app has to be included on the clever name alone."
Aug 22 19:47:08 <twbbas> cwayne: Yes but TouchPad apps are usually at the top of the list
Aug 22 19:47:18 <twbbas> oil: you're late
Aug 22 19:47:20 <dawm|laptop> oil, old news
Aug 22 19:47:25 <oil> sorry, was at work
Aug 22 19:47:40 <twbbas> oil: I beat  you by like 10 mins
Aug 22 19:47:43 <twbbas> lol
Aug 22 19:47:48 <Tibfib> oil: WIN
Aug 22 19:47:53 <rwatkins-mbp> so with 10x users now, anyone hacked a Spotify install yet for the TP?
Aug 22 19:47:55 * oil flys to twbbas house and gets stabby
Aug 22 19:48:04 <cwayne> twbbas: hmm, so all apps will still show up though?
Aug 22 19:48:05 * twbbas gets anti-air guns
Aug 22 19:48:41 <twbbas> cwayne: Apps that are marked by the dev for the TouchPad, yeah. But some devs pulled their phone apps if they don't work
Aug 22 19:48:57 <twbbas> well marked that they run on the TP, not built FOR the TP
Aug 22 19:49:21 <twbbas> TouchPad-specific apps show "For TouchPad" next to it on the list
Aug 22 19:49:29 <twbbas> phone apps don't have that
Aug 22 19:52:47 <Tibfib> fxspec06: downloading the update is working jsut fine on my touchpad
Aug 22 19:53:48 <fxspec06> that's good to know Tibfib
Aug 22 19:53:59 <fxspec06> i'll probably just do that then
Aug 22 19:54:23 <kevets> just saw this http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/jo2oz/iama_hp_web_os_employee_amaa/
Aug 22 19:54:24 <oil> oh man, Tibfibs got a tp now
Aug 22 19:54:24 <kevets> nice
Aug 22 19:54:29 <oil> time to get to work on wirc
Aug 22 19:54:40 <Tibfib> oil: I KNOW RIGHT>???
Aug 22 19:54:52 <Tibfib> once I get my update dl'd
Aug 22 19:54:58 <Tibfib> time to install preware
Aug 22 19:54:59 <craiger> compusa/tigerdirect sold out by the time i got thru on the phone
Aug 22 19:55:00 <Tibfib> and some apps
Aug 22 19:55:04 <Tibfib> funkatron: IT'S HERE!
Aug 22 19:55:16 <akanster> your TP?
Aug 22 19:55:21 <Tibfib> YESSIR
Aug 22 19:55:25 <funkatron> oh yay
Aug 22 19:55:27 <uncola> those ask me anything reddit threads are sometimes bullshit
Aug 22 19:55:32 <dcousineau> you know I love the touchpad and all
Aug 22 19:55:35 <kevets> yeah i could imag
Aug 22 19:55:37 <kevets> ine
Aug 22 19:55:40 <dcousineau> but seeing "TP" all the time hearkens me back to my boyscout days
Aug 22 19:55:40 <uncola> because the person saying "hi, I'm harrison ford, ask me anything"  is not really harrison ford
Aug 22 19:55:43 <dcousineau> where TP == toilet paper
Aug 22 19:55:47 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 19:55:55 <kevets> i'm having fun reading anything i can find though
Aug 22 19:56:00 * kevets getting nothing done lately
Aug 22 19:56:30 <kevets> well, getting a little done. not that bad lol
Aug 22 19:56:41 <akanster> dcousineau: TP TP TP TP TP!
Aug 22 19:56:51 <Tibfib> dcousineau: do you still have tp?
Aug 22 19:56:58 <Tibfib> or have you run out of TP?
Aug 22 19:57:02 <dcousineau> run out of TP
Aug 22 19:57:05 <dcousineau> more TP in mail tomorrow
Aug 22 19:57:06 <Tibfib> never use used TPs
Aug 22 19:57:18 <dcousineau> Just used your palm?
Aug 22 19:57:22 <matbee> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF25a/321957-321957-5102710-5102712-5102712-5102931.html?jumpid=ex_r11694_ca/en/any/psg/ca-touchpad-launch-mu_chev/webos
Aug 22 19:57:22 <akanster> haha
Aug 22 19:57:23 * dcousineau BADUMP CHISH
Aug 22 19:57:26 <matbee> will they credit my CC?
Aug 22 19:57:34 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 19:57:41 <Tibfib> dcousineau: my rimshot app will help us all with that
Aug 22 19:57:45 <matbee> wait, theres no buy button
Aug 22 20:03:48 <leiru> UK guys here?
Aug 22 20:03:50 <leiru> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/touchpad-tablet-pc-32gb-10834969-pdt.html
Aug 22 20:04:19 <leiru> 115 pounds for 32gb => 131 euro
Aug 22 20:04:22 <Draecos> says that none of the stores near me have one
Aug 22 20:04:27 <leiru> just delivers to uk stores
Aug 22 20:04:54 * madnificent needs one in belgium
Aug 22 20:05:05 <madnificent> though needs is a big word
Aug 22 20:05:29 <twbbas> Woot! My touchpad shipped!!@!~@
Aug 22 20:05:51 <twbbas> From HP
Aug 22 20:06:14 <hiemanshu> ugh
Aug 22 20:06:16 <Tibfib> hey, it's chuq!
Aug 22 20:06:20 <hiemanshu> and we still cant order one :(
Aug 22 20:06:24 <akanster> twbbas: your 3rd now?
Aug 22 20:06:36 <akanster> hey chuqui
Aug 22 20:06:40 <madnificent> good luck chuqui
Aug 22 20:06:47 <fxspec06> it's chuqi
Aug 22 20:06:51 <fxspec06> !!
Aug 22 20:06:52 <chuqui> hey all.
Aug 22 20:06:53 <cwayne> chuqui!
Aug 22 20:07:08 <fxspec06> any good news chuqi?
Aug 22 20:07:18 <twbbas> akanster: nahhh. I had 3 before HP announcement. 1 was a loaner, 2 were from Staples. We returned the 2 to staples friday morning and during this weekend we placed orders for 6 through various retailers hoping at least some go through. So, this is the 1st one that's gone through out of our 6. :D
Aug 22 20:07:37 <akanster> wow
Aug 22 20:07:42 <directhex> Comet's website has imploded :/
Aug 22 20:07:42 <cwayne> twbbas: shoulda kept the staples ones... they price matched
Aug 22 20:07:50 <twbbas> cwayne: Yep, shoulda
Aug 22 20:07:58 <twbbas> cwayne: it was before HP announced they were doing firesale
Aug 22 20:08:00 <twbbas> :\
Aug 22 20:08:12 <fxspec06> can't worry about the past
Aug 22 20:08:25 <twbbas> wait wtf
Aug 22 20:08:27 <cwayne> twbbas: ah :/
Aug 22 20:08:32 <twbbas> Estimated Ship Date: 08/22/2011
Aug 22 20:08:33 <twbbas> Estimated Delivery Date: 08/22/2011
Aug 22 20:08:35 <twbbas> Same day?!?!
Aug 22 20:08:46 <Tibfib> w00t
Aug 22 20:09:26 <hotdp> welcome back chuqui
Aug 22 20:09:28 <leiru> chuqui! :)
Aug 22 20:09:35 * hotdp hopes chuqui will be allright
Aug 22 20:09:37 <chuqui> fxspec06:  my badge worked when I came to the office. that's a start.
Aug 22 20:09:44 <rwatkins-mbp> heh
Aug 22 20:10:12 <Tibfib> hmm the installation of the update itself seems to be having issues
Aug 22 20:10:14 <Tibfib> downloading didn't
Aug 22 20:10:27 <Tibfib> chuqui: any info on the update servers?
Aug 22 20:10:30 <fxspec06> how's the overall mood there?
Aug 22 20:12:40 <chuqui> I'll do fine. right now, I'm just trying to focus on waht we need to do to fix this and what I can do to help richard make this thrive.
Aug 22 20:12:54 <Tibfib> I knew I shouldn't have closed the update card
Aug 22 20:13:00 <Tibfib> but the "wheeeeeeeee!" was too tempting
Aug 22 20:13:05 <twbbas> Tibfib: lollll
Aug 22 20:13:05 <chuqui> if that changes, or they decide they don't need me, I'll get a new job. But I'm not even thinking that now. I'm telling all the recruiters no. Won't conflict my committment.
Aug 22 20:13:21 <akanster> Tibfib: I was playing with those sounds for like 15 mins straight
Aug 22 20:13:32 <akanster> the creak when you pull down is awesome!
Aug 22 20:13:34 <Tibfib> oh it turns out I needed to close the card!
Aug 22 20:13:38 <Tibfib> DOUBLE WIN!
Aug 22 20:13:49 <Tibfib> update process didn't start properly the first time
Aug 22 20:13:57 <cwayne> chuqui: I like your attitude
Aug 22 20:14:06 <Tibfib> chuqui: best of luck to all of you
Aug 22 20:14:17 <chuqui> this isn't my first trip on this roller coaster. that makes it a bit easier.
Aug 22 20:14:26 <kevets> good luck chuq!  sorry, that was lame
Aug 22 20:14:34 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 22 20:14:37 <twbbas> haha
Aug 22 20:14:37 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 20:14:38 <kevets> any idea what the next step is?
Aug 22 20:14:46 <madnificent> chuqui: thanks
Aug 22 20:15:04 <akanster> hang in there chuqui...
Aug 22 20:15:15 <HattCzech_work> so did hp hang on to some of these devices so developers can get a hold of one?
Aug 22 20:15:16 <ramitos_> chuqui, hang in there :)
Aug 22 20:15:19 <Tibfib> my touchpad already has a lot of fingerprints
Aug 22 20:15:21 <Tibfib> ooops
Aug 22 20:15:44 <Log1x> Tibfib: they are fingerprint magnets. gotta get one of the screen things or a case
Aug 22 20:15:52 <Tibfib> I have a case
Aug 22 20:15:55 <Log1x> or just carry the cloth that came with it on you forever
Aug 22 20:15:55 <Draecos> ooo
Aug 22 20:15:55 <Tibfib> but not a screen protector
Aug 22 20:15:59 <Tibfib> Log1x: heh, that
Aug 22 20:16:01 <Draecos> comet seems promising UK peeps
Aug 22 20:16:09 <Draecos> slow but seem to have one in the basket
Aug 22 20:16:11 <rwatkins-mbp> considering screen protector just for the matte finish.
Aug 22 20:16:13 <fxspec06> omg they come with a cloth
Aug 22 20:16:29 <rwatkins-mbp> glossy screens on everything these days is annoyoing at times.
Aug 22 20:16:52 <fxspec06> the cloth alone is worth the $99
Aug 22 20:16:56 <akanster> rwatkins-mbp: you can turn off the device and use the screen as a mirror  sometimes!
Aug 22 20:16:56 <fxspec06> =D
Aug 22 20:17:25 <fxspec06> akanster: or you can use the camera app..
Aug 22 20:17:37 <chuqui> thanks, all. now, I gotta go dig into the mailboxes. apologize in advance for being quiet today, lots to do.
Aug 22 20:17:49 <fxspec06> good luck chuq! thanks for stopping by
Aug 22 20:17:57 <esser> hrm
Aug 22 20:18:03 <error454> is it just me that thinks the touchpad packaging smell like awesomeness? I feel like they captured the scent of electronics nostalgia and somehow packaged it
Aug 22 20:18:09 <directhex> Draecos, comet is gone.
Aug 22 20:18:19 <directhex> Draecos, and i got as far as the verified-by-viza page before it dies
Aug 22 20:18:20 <esser> touchpad dies at the same time that tripoli falls to the rebels. obviously, this suggests both correlation and causation
Aug 22 20:18:27 <directhex> Draecos, none for home delivery or in store left
Aug 22 20:18:28 <Log1x> error454: haha i didn't smell it but i felt pretty good waling out of walmart with it after paying $99 with its like heavy nice boxing/packaging/etc.
Aug 22 20:18:32 <Log1x> walking*
Aug 22 20:18:33 <rwatkins-mbp> good luck dealing with the email faster than it comes in
Aug 22 20:18:37 <Draecos> bawls
Aug 22 20:18:45 <fxspec06> error454: every now and then i open my pre and or pre2 box and catch a whiff of what it smells like, damn it is nice
Aug 22 20:18:52 <directhex> Draecos, i hope they didn't charge my card 20 times :/
Aug 22 20:18:53 <Log1x> hahahaha
Aug 22 20:18:58 <akanster> esser: The HP/Libya Conspiracy... I smell a book deal!
Aug 22 20:19:14 <esser> akanster: i've already begun writing it, and if you try to muscle in on me, i will sue you.
Aug 22 20:19:22 <madnificent> esser: and at the sametime pukkelpop had some unholy rain coming over the camp, actually made people die at the festival! (this is a local thing).  god hates us all, quickly change religion!
Aug 22 20:19:34 <error454> if i could apply the scent as a cologne and head to a geek convention...
Aug 22 20:19:43 <Draecos> wouldnt be good directhex
Aug 22 20:19:44 <esser> error454: you know, it's probably at least mildly toxic
Aug 22 20:19:56 <directhex> Draecos, i guess i'll find out soonish
Aug 22 20:20:03 <akanster> esser: Have you ever seen Apotheker and Gaddafi in the same room at the same time? Nope.  Dun dun dun!
Aug 22 20:20:12 <esser> i mean, electronics and ink are neither really made of sunshine and flowers
Aug 22 20:20:19 <esser> both are mostly incredibly poisonous
Aug 22 20:20:20 <Draecos> directhex, wasnt impressed with Carphone whorehouse
Aug 22 20:20:28 <Draecos> phoned at 8:45
Aug 22 20:20:39 <Draecos> "our opening hours are 8-9pm
Aug 22 20:20:44 <Draecos> erm its not 9pm..
Aug 22 20:20:46 <rwatkins-mbp> source of bugs for today?  multiview != multiView
Aug 22 20:20:52 <error454> esser: probably but it still smells good
Aug 22 20:22:07 <directhex> Draecos, heh! when i was trying to get my pre3 from dhl, i called on saturday at 9, 10, and 11. - "this dhl warehouse is closed. try again between 8 and 12 on saturday"
Aug 22 20:22:27 <Draecos> hate
Aug 22 20:22:34 <Draecos> makes me want to stab them in the eyes
Aug 22 20:22:51 <esser> error454: i talked to this teenager once around Potoru in Sierra Leone. he was having a lot of unprotected sex, and i told him to stop that. he said something to the effect of "have you seen where i live?"
Aug 22 20:23:03 <esser> same basic idea.
Aug 22 20:23:05 <esser> toxic, but meh
Aug 22 20:23:10 <Draecos> seems like comets ecommerce systems are suffering
Aug 22 20:25:52 <directhex> Draecos, just a bit.
Aug 22 20:25:57 <Draecos> gah
Aug 22 20:26:04 <Draecos> saying none available to my address
Aug 22 20:26:32 <esser> Draecos: are they too good for your home?
Aug 22 20:26:40 <directhex> Draecos, told you :p
Aug 22 20:26:46 <Draecos> guess so esser
Aug 22 20:27:03 <Draecos> ive got my family in the US to order one anyway but im impatient
Aug 22 20:27:32 <directhex> Draecos, fingers crossed for argos tomorrow. and i'll visit staples to see if they have any
Aug 22 20:27:42 <Draecos> yes directhex
Aug 22 20:27:59 <Draecos> im hoping there will be some in the CPW stores in Bham
Aug 22 20:28:08 <Draecos> i think there are around 3-4 to choose from
Aug 22 20:28:20 <Draecos> as well as all the other stores
Aug 22 20:28:26 <Draecos> *tech* stores
Aug 22 20:28:38 <directhex> tech stores are too obvious.
Aug 22 20:28:42 <directhex> everyone will go there
Aug 22 20:28:50 <directhex> my top tip: debenhams :p
Aug 22 20:28:52 <Draecos> yer i know but I can get there earlyish
Aug 22 20:33:49 <RagingMind> (repeat from wosi) why is my TP using upnp to ask my router to forward a port to it?
Aug 22 20:34:32 <madnificent> RagingMind: maybe it feels trapped
Aug 22 20:35:36 <directhex> despite all my rage i am still webos in a cage
Aug 22 20:35:46 <twbbas> http://www.webosdaily.com/post/9262209641/hp-will-resupply-retailers-with-touchpads
Aug 22 20:36:02 <fxspec06> i bet they made over 1 mil
Aug 22 20:36:12 <fxspec06> probably 2 mil
Aug 22 20:36:25 <webhostbudd> but spent 8 mil on hardware hahah
Aug 22 20:36:58 * PsWii60 sends hordes of lemmings over directhex
Aug 22 20:37:14 <fxspec06> holy sht
Aug 22 20:37:18 <fxspec06> lines will form all over
Aug 22 20:37:21 <Bmyers> was there ever a netflix webos in the works?
Aug 22 20:37:21 <fxspec06> everywhere
Aug 22 20:37:37 <fxspec06> i just got taxes in the mail, i may need to camp overnight
Aug 22 20:37:50 <fxspec06> i would totally camp out for a touchpad
Aug 22 20:37:57 <webhostbudd> ha
Aug 22 20:38:17 <webhostbudd> im lucky cdw didnt run out before i purchased one there
Aug 22 20:38:27 <webhostbudd> if b&n fills my order i might have 2 .....
Aug 22 20:38:39 <Bmyers> bb has mine in the mail
Aug 22 20:39:00 <fxspec06> but do i really need two all for myself
Aug 22 20:39:06 <hiemanshu> well, I cant even get one in India, without having someone buy it and ship it for me :(
Aug 22 20:39:08 <webhostbudd> nope
Aug 22 20:39:23 <fxspec06> i think i do
Aug 22 20:39:25 <twbbas> fxspec06: yeah you do
Aug 22 20:39:29 <twbbas> touch-2-share
Aug 22 20:39:30 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 22 20:39:36 <fxspec06> touchpad-2-touchpad
Aug 22 20:39:43 <fxspec06> back and forth
Aug 22 20:39:54 <Bmyers> is that like helmet to helmet?
Aug 22 20:40:01 <webhostbudd> id tape the touchpads together
Aug 22 20:40:06 <fxspec06> no, it's like that movie "stuck on you"
Aug 22 20:40:07 <webhostbudd> and use them like dual monitors
Aug 22 20:40:07 <rwatkins-mbp> 6 mill loss on hardware is nothing.
Aug 22 20:40:19 <webhostbudd> but it sure as hell isnt gain
Aug 22 20:40:29 <Bmyers> yeah, make it up on volume..
Aug 22 20:40:30 <fxspec06> it is. it's marketshare
Aug 22 20:40:34 <rwatkins-mbp> what do you think 100 employees x 6 months costs?
Aug 22 20:40:35 <fxspec06> lol, what volume
Aug 22 20:40:41 <webhostbudd> this is true
Aug 22 20:40:43 <sephiap> most people picking up the pre3 when it discounts in the UK & France too?
Aug 22 20:40:46 <hotdp> Bmyers!!
Aug 22 20:40:50 <webhostbudd> it was actually a good decision on there part
Aug 22 20:40:55 <fxspec06> their*
Aug 22 20:40:56 <Bmyers> hotdp !! \o/
Aug 22 20:40:57 <webhostbudd> market share on webos is never a bad thing
Aug 22 20:41:01 <webhostbudd> yea
Aug 22 20:41:02 <webhostbudd> wow
Aug 22 20:41:05 <Bmyers> how the heck are you man?!
Aug 22 20:41:12 <the20year2> are there any good RDP apps like teamviewer for webos?
Aug 22 20:41:14 <Tibfib_> first app purchase: gemini
Aug 22 20:41:16 <Tibfib_> looking gooood
Aug 22 20:41:16 <hotdp> I am great, long time no see?
Aug 22 20:41:34 <directhex> sephiap, already got mine, full price
Aug 22 20:41:34 <madnificent> if they'd have priced it at 250, then it'd have been market share.  now i think it's mostly there for the cheap people.  note: i wouldn't be able to afford it at 250 euros, 250 dollars maybe.  then again, if the sales would've been good, i'd have bought one at 500.
Aug 22 20:41:35 <Bmyers> yeah, summer vacation, kids, yada yada
Aug 22 20:41:41 <hotdp> :)
Aug 22 20:41:45 <Bmyers> you get a TP hotdp ?
Aug 22 20:41:47 <hotdp> but your fine?
Aug 22 20:41:52 <hotdp> I got a tp yes :)
Aug 22 20:41:57 <Bmyers> as well as a dad can be..
Aug 22 20:41:59 <fxspec06> where is mine
Aug 22 20:42:02 <Tibfib_> second: periodic table
Aug 22 20:42:05 * fxspec06 checks window
Aug 22 20:42:14 <sephiap> directhex: what's the app support like? I hear most apps aren't marked (pre- owner) for pre3 atm?
Aug 22 20:42:50 <Bmyers> i got one coming in the mail. honestly, if HP didnt firesale them I might not have bought one.
Aug 22 20:42:59 <fxspec06> most aren't, some are though i hear
Aug 22 20:43:11 <twbbas> Tibfib_: Download Differences yet? :D
Aug 22 20:43:21 <twbbas> Tibfib_: and your app wasn't your first purchased app? :p
Aug 22 20:43:23 <Tibfib_> third glimpse
Aug 22 20:43:24 <Bmyers> trying to sell them at the same price as ipad seemed a little pretentious
Aug 22 20:43:29 <Tibfib_> twbbas: noo, I'm not paying for that crap
Aug 22 20:43:33 <twbbas> bahaha
Aug 22 20:43:57 <directhex> sephiap, there are gaps. no facebook for pre3 :p
Aug 22 20:44:13 <fxspec06> anyone know how to do a free trial without a server
Aug 22 20:44:17 <madnificent> directhex: that may be a good thing ;-)
Aug 22 20:44:21 <sephiap> weird, I'd have thought the mojo apps would've scaled out the box.
Aug 22 20:44:21 <Tibfib_> differences acquired
Aug 22 20:44:21 <directhex> madnificent, no comment
Aug 22 20:44:39 <madnificent> directhex: LoL, wasn't serious either
Aug 22 20:44:42 <directhex> sephiap, the important apps work though - carbon, preware, nyan cat
Aug 22 20:44:42 <Bmyers> whats the plans for the devel company hotdp ?
Aug 22 20:44:43 <Tibfib_> need for speed is pretty good, right?
Aug 22 20:45:01 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/webOSzombie
Aug 22 20:45:24 <sephiap> directhex: don't suppose you have any sample pics from the camera do you? can't find any online
Aug 22 20:45:38 <sephiap> interested to see how it performs
Aug 22 20:46:13 <directhex> sephiap, can of red bull? http://yfrog.com/z/khe9kayj
Aug 22 20:46:16 <hotdp> Bmyers: what are you thinking on?
Aug 22 20:46:20 <directhex> sephiap, i have a shaky hand, so i can't really take photos
Aug 22 20:46:27 <Tibfib_> 4th, big boss
Aug 22 20:47:00 <Bmyers> hotdp: I was wondering about you two and what your plans are now?
Aug 22 20:47:15 <rwatkins-mbp> directhex: run any enyo apps yet?
Aug 22 20:47:49 <directhex> rwatkins-mbp, i'd love an example
Aug 22 20:48:01 <directhex> rwatkins-mbp, i can upload screenshots of any enyo apps
Aug 22 20:48:56 <rwatkins-mbp> lemme chuck up a beta build of Paper Mache, wondering if flickering is in the emulator only
Aug 22 20:48:59 <Tibfib_> any apps I should get now?
Aug 22 20:49:01 <sephiap> it's not a bad image, bit grainy mind but that could just be lighting
Aug 22 20:49:03 <Tibfib_> other
Aug 22 20:49:11 <Tibfib_> CONNECT 4
Aug 22 20:49:13 <Tibfib_> HECK YES
Aug 22 20:49:16 <sephiap> I've bought 3 touchpads, wondering if I should get a few pre3s aswell D:
Aug 22 20:49:25 <sephiap> eugh, gadget lust
Aug 22 20:49:31 <hotdp> Bmyers: we have not done any real webos work since NYC, but other stuff :)
Aug 22 20:49:41 <flare576> sephiap, yes, buy 3, and send one my way ;)
Aug 22 20:50:09 <hotdp> Good night
Aug 22 20:50:12 <sephiap> haha I'm buying them to upgrade family members from dumbphones & crappy laptops etc
Aug 22 20:50:19 <madnificent> sephiap: as you'll then have a touchpad which doesn't match a pre3, you should send a TP my way.
Aug 22 20:50:25 <Bmyers> hotdp: yeah it was a last hoora for others too, NYC. Great party anyways..
Aug 22 20:50:32 <sephiap> not to just pimp out with loads of devices
Aug 22 20:50:36 <madnificent> sephiap: also, it's fun to liberate the family :)
Aug 22 20:50:44 <Bmyers> ah well..
Aug 22 20:50:48 <Bmyers> l8r hotpd!!
Aug 22 20:50:55 <sephiap> aye, at that cash didn't make sense not to :)
Aug 22 20:51:20 * sephiap waits for hp uk to start selling pre3 cheap
Aug 22 20:51:37 <badwill> sephiap: you reckon HP direct will be best bet on the pres?
Aug 22 20:51:40 <PsWii60> HP has officially said that the Pre 3, first introduced in February, will not be sold in the U.S. at all. It will be sold unlocked in the the U.K. and France only for approximately $75. It can roam on the EDGE networks of both AT&T and T-Mobile, but doesn't support full 3G for either carrier.
Aug 22 20:51:46 <rwatkins-mbp> directhex: http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache.beta_1.1.001_all.ipk
Aug 22 20:52:18 <sephiap> badwill: I heard the same as PsWii60
Aug 22 20:52:19 <dwc-> PsWii60: do you have a source I can link people to for that?
Aug 22 20:52:23 <rwatkins-mbp> email me for test account if you can load it up : ryan@ryanwatkins.net
Aug 22 20:52:32 <badwill> sephiap: oic
Aug 22 20:52:37 <millenomi> by the way
Aug 22 20:52:41 <millenomi> for both sides
Aug 22 20:52:43 <PsWii60> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391519,00.asp?kc=PCRSS05039TX1K0000762
Aug 22 20:52:50 <millenomi> EU wanting to buy TPs, US wanting to buy Pre 3s
Aug 22 20:52:51 <millenomi> https://bongous.com/
Aug 22 20:53:00 <millenomi> I can't vouch for it yet
Aug 22 20:53:09 <Draecos> PsWii60, did they say when for the Pre3 in the UK?
Aug 22 20:53:12 <millenomi> but apparently some may be in need :)
Aug 22 20:53:12 <directhex> rwatkins-mbp, installed
Aug 22 20:53:18 <RagingMind> I'd seriously consider ditching verizon if I could get a pre3...
Aug 22 20:53:21 <Bmyers> that hitler thing is funny.
Aug 22 20:53:21 <sephiap> Draecos: no, just an updated as and when
Aug 22 20:53:23 <PsWii60> no
Aug 22 20:53:26 <Draecos> k
Aug 22 20:53:29 <sephiap> "hp will let us know"
Aug 22 20:53:31 <dwc-> PsWii60: thanks
Aug 22 20:53:44 <Draecos> annoying cos im working away soon for 6 months
Aug 22 20:54:20 <directhex> rwatkins-mbp, well it runs, but needs credentials
Aug 22 20:54:21 <badwill> sephiap: you got any cases yet?
Aug 22 20:54:33 <rwatkins-mbp> directhex: ya.  1 sec
Aug 22 20:55:00 <leiru> any tipster mentioned eurostore from palm?
Aug 22 20:55:08 <sephiap> badwill: nah, I have an old incase case for iPad1 I never used, given the TP dimensions are p.much the same will use that :)
Aug 22 20:55:24 <madnificent> leiru: i'm scanning this channel and haven't found anything yet.  if you discover, be sure to let me know
Aug 22 20:55:26 <badwill> ahh i see
Aug 22 20:55:53 <madnificent> leiru: there is http://talgo.itram.es/touchpad/ if you haven't reached that one yet
Aug 22 20:55:53 <sephiap> badwill: download the 3.0.2 SDK and start playing around
Aug 22 20:55:57 <directhex> rwatkins-mbp, this works nicely!
Aug 22 20:56:00 <sephiap> enyo looks fun
Aug 22 20:56:12 <rwatkins-mbp> directhex: does it look ok when the panels slide back n forth?
Aug 22 20:56:21 <directhex> rwatkins-mbp, yes.
Aug 22 20:56:21 <madnificent> leiru: the german store may have dropped its price, but i can't reach it (and it will not ship to me)
Aug 22 20:56:28 <badwill> sephiap: aye, will do
Aug 22 20:57:00 <leiru> madnificent: the german store were selled out this afternoon and the site is still down as public news mentioned it
Aug 22 20:57:04 <sephiap> I really want to get mplayer or alike running on touchpad, I know it was done on the pre but not sure how well
Aug 22 20:57:11 <leiru> and noobs still want to buy from there.
Aug 22 20:57:12 <sephiap> sounds like a lot of work anyway
Aug 22 20:57:26 <madnificent> sephiap: you should be able to compile it
Aug 22 20:57:33 <rwatkins-mbp> directhex: nice.  i think the only bigger pre3 issues is the activity buttons resize.  and some of the messages in a folder or article view should be clickable to do what they say.
Aug 22 20:57:36 <leiru> people that never ever knew webOS and want to sell them or wtf
Aug 22 20:57:46 <dwc-> http://mplayer-webos.googlecode.com/svn/trunk
Aug 22 20:57:54 <sephiap> madnificent: I intend to, I checked out the source, when I have my TPs I will start playing
Aug 22 20:58:54 <madnificent> sephiap: no easy way to test without an available touchpad
Aug 22 20:58:59 <akanster> has anyone had any app updates approved recently?
Aug 22 20:59:55 <madnificent> akanster: a price drop, non TP, yes
Aug 22 21:00:19 <akanster> ?
Aug 22 21:01:17 <Tibfib_> twbbas: differences is REALLY nice
Aug 22 21:01:18 <fxspec06> how big is a jump from 4gb to 8gb, to anyone who has experienced it
Aug 22 21:01:19 <Tibfib_> good jopb
Aug 22 21:01:22 <fxspec06> RAM
Aug 22 21:01:31 <cwayne> fxspec06: 2x
Aug 22 21:01:34 <sephiap> I do hope that the homebrew scene explodes for webOS 3.x from all this :/
Aug 22 21:01:42 <fxspec06> cwayne, thanks
Aug 22 21:01:52 <JustinHoMi> sephiap, haha yeah, I don't think the WebOS has ever been more popular!
Aug 22 21:01:56 <twbbas> Tibfib_: Thanks! I submitted an update last night that opens up the in-app items and I have a big update almost done.
Aug 22 21:02:07 <madnificent> akanster: yes, i have been able to get a metadata update in the past few days.  took the weekend to get it accepted, iirc
Aug 22 21:02:19 <akanster> gotcha
Aug 22 21:02:20 <sephiap> JustinHoMi: hope this is the new Amiga! ;)
Aug 22 21:02:46 <RagingMind> and for those that are curious.  my mysterious port forward is for skype
Aug 22 21:03:07 <Tibfib_> twbbas: what does the thumb icon do?
Aug 22 21:03:15 <fxspec06> i think i'm going to do it. jump to 8gb.
Aug 22 21:03:15 <twbbas> Tibfib_: tap it :D
Aug 22 21:03:27 <fxspec06> my computer will be a lot happier
Aug 22 21:03:28 <Tibfib_> twbbas: I dunno what it did
Aug 22 21:03:29 <Tibfib_> haha
Aug 22 21:03:38 <epyon22_pre-> is there any online retailers doing the $100 to deal?
Aug 22 21:03:41 <dawm|laptop> fxspec06:  be sure the os supports it
Aug 22 21:03:49 <Tibfib_> just spent $14 on apps
Aug 22 21:03:49 <Tibfib_> yay
Aug 22 21:03:54 <dawm|laptop> otherwise its a waste
Aug 22 21:03:57 <twbbas> Tibfib_: We added that feature after watching our Mom try to play it. She likes to move her finger around on the screen while looking.
Aug 22 21:04:10 <fxspec06> it's W7, i have 64bit, and gateway p7811fx. it's fully supported researched etc
Aug 22 21:04:23 <Tibfib_> twbbas: ah okay
Aug 22 21:04:26 <Tibfib_> I see what it does
Aug 22 21:04:30 <dawm|laptop> i dont care what the computer is
Aug 22 21:04:41 <dawm|laptop> make sure win7 64 will use all ofit
Aug 22 21:04:51 <twbbas> Tibfib_: scoring and Villo integration is coming by end of the week
Aug 22 21:04:58 <twbbas> along with 80 new levels
Aug 22 21:05:00 <dawm|laptop> what game?
Aug 22 21:05:03 <Tibfib_> twbbas: slick
Aug 22 21:05:08 <twbbas> dawm|laptop: Differences by Zone303
Aug 22 21:05:13 <dawm|laptop> gotcha
Aug 22 21:05:33 <twbbas> We were gonna submit the big update last night but like I told you then, we had some... memory issues
Aug 22 21:05:39 <twbbas> lol
Aug 22 21:05:50 <Tibfib_> dang I suck at this
Aug 22 21:05:53 <twbbas> haha
Aug 22 21:05:57 <twbbas> use the hint!
Aug 22 21:05:57 <fxspec06> it better use all of it!
Aug 22 21:06:01 <Tibfib_> can't get the blue one
Aug 22 21:06:24 <twbbas> Tibfib_: FYI, green is easiest and red is hardest... usually. We didn't work too hard to make it in the right order
Aug 22 21:06:39 <Tibfib_> heh
Aug 22 21:06:45 <Tibfib_> my brain doesn't work that way
Aug 22 21:07:32 <Tibfib_> twbbas: want me to email some feedback later?
Aug 22 21:07:42 <twbbas> Like, my brother did the photoshopping and as he was doing that he assigned difficulty levels to it but we didn't change anything after that first time
Aug 22 21:07:47 <Tibfib_> I still CAN NOT find a blue one
Aug 22 21:08:06 <twbbas> Tibfib_: please do
Aug 22 21:08:13 <Tibfib_> kk will do
Aug 22 21:08:17 <kesne>  <3
Aug 22 21:08:26 <fxspec06> oh man 1600? =O they make 1600 now? i don't even think my laptop supports that
Aug 22 21:08:27 <fxspec06> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211566
Aug 22 21:08:29 <twbbas> Also, nothing's *stupid hard*... if you're looking at it, you'll see the difference
Aug 22 21:08:38 <Tibfib_> then I'm stupid
Aug 22 21:09:05 <twbbas> lol
Aug 22 21:09:13 <twbbas> Tibfib_: which level?
Aug 22 21:09:13 <klausa> fxspec06: It will downclock them.
Aug 22 21:09:15 <Tibfib_> where's blue?
Aug 22 21:09:17 <klausa> It should at least.
Aug 22 21:09:20 <Tibfib_> on the house level
Aug 22 21:09:21 <Tibfib_> fall
Aug 22 21:09:24 <Tibfib_> set 1
Aug 22 21:09:26 <Tibfib_> level 2
Aug 22 21:09:29 <Tibfib_> I think
Aug 22 21:09:34 <twbbas> does it say 1-2 in top bar?
Aug 22 21:09:38 <fxspec06> is more really better here? has anybody heard of adata
Aug 22 21:09:38 <Tibfib_> oh
Aug 22 21:09:40 <Tibfib_> it says 1-3
Aug 22 21:09:46 <twbbas> oh haha
Aug 22 21:09:51 <twbbas> blue is definitely hard on that one
Aug 22 21:10:10 <twbbas> especially after you already found orange
Aug 22 21:10:31 <Tibfib_> can you keep the backlight on?
Aug 22 21:10:52 <Tibfib_> FOUND IT
Aug 22 21:10:57 <twbbas> Tibfib_: Hmm, I haven't though of that. I'll look into it.
Aug 22 21:11:01 <twbbas> haha
Aug 22 21:12:05 <Log1x> fxspec06: adata is fine. ram is ram. also it'll probably just run at 1066-1333mhz despite it being 1600 unless your laptop's bios lets you change it
Aug 22 21:12:30 <fxspec06> my lappy is 1333 right now i think, lemme check
Aug 22 21:12:48 <Tibfib_> twbbas: my only "complaint" is that when looking at portrait images, the images are rotated, but nothing else in the app is
Aug 22 21:13:32 <fxspec06> 1066, ddr3 dual channel
Aug 22 21:13:35 <Log1x> fxspec06: http://www.piriform.com/speccy pretty ok little freeware app for system info if you're on windows
Aug 22 21:13:39 <Tibfib_> it would be pretty hard to change now
Aug 22 21:13:42 <twbbas> Tibfib_: Yeah =\. About 25% of the images are like that.
Aug 22 21:13:45 <fxspec06> current ram. i use cpu-z
Aug 22 21:13:45 <Log1x> yeah 1066 is ddr3's standard. everything above that is technically overclocked with today's chipsets
Aug 22 21:13:51 <Tibfib_> but at the very least the "next level" popup could be rotated
Aug 22 21:14:02 <Tibfib_> as well as the images in the toolbar
Aug 22 21:14:06 <Tibfib_> text would be harder
Aug 22 21:14:18 <twbbas> Yeah
Aug 22 21:14:28 <Tibfib_> kesne should have code to detect rotation status
Aug 22 21:14:31 <Tibfib_> without actually rotating
Aug 22 21:14:41 <kesne> say what?
Aug 22 21:14:43 <twbbas> I remember seeing him talk about that a while back
Aug 22 21:14:47 <kesne> Oh
Aug 22 21:14:47 <kesne> Yes
Aug 22 21:14:50 <kesne> I have that
Aug 22 21:14:54 <twbbas> kesne: Can I take a look? :D
Aug 22 21:14:55 <Tibfib_> kesne: can you put it on webos101?
Aug 22 21:15:07 <kesne> Tibfib_: yeah, give me a few
Aug 22 21:15:12 <Tibfib_> thanks mate
Aug 22 21:15:13 <twbbas> thanks
Aug 22 21:15:48 <twbbas> Tibfib_: Have you found the easter egg? :D
Aug 22 21:15:57 <Tibfib_> OH man, I LOVE my touchpad
Aug 22 21:15:58 <sugardave> IT'S NOT EASTER
Aug 22 21:16:03 <Tibfib_> been waiting SOOO LONG
Aug 22 21:16:09 <twbbas> glad to hear it Tibfib_
Aug 22 21:16:18 <Tibfib_> periodic table is going to be awesome for chem this year
Aug 22 21:16:22 <twbbas> nice
Aug 22 21:16:23 <Tibfib_> I ALMOST want to go do homework
Aug 22 21:16:28 <kesne> Okay
Aug 22 21:16:29 <sugardave> hehe
Aug 22 21:16:30 <kesne> Quick question
Aug 22 21:16:32 <twbbas> I'm done with Chem for the rest of my life, thankfully
Aug 22 21:16:34 <kesne> Then I'll post my stuff
Aug 22 21:16:38 <dwc-> can I choose to restore my palm pre's data on my touchpad later? or is this only a one-time setup thing
Aug 22 21:16:42 <Tibfib_> twbbas: heh, ap this year :)
Aug 22 21:17:04 <kesne> I have a regular HTML app, but when I launch it on the device, it just sits there loading forever
Aug 22 21:17:06 <fxspec06> so would i see any difference in getting 1600 ram and downclocking or should i look for 1066 ram?
Aug 22 21:17:21 <sugardave> kesne: n00b
Aug 22 21:17:22 <kesne> I forgot what code to use to signal it's ready
Aug 22 21:17:25 <dwc-> fxspec06: none.
Aug 22 21:17:32 <kesne> sugardave: This is my first non-enyo/mojo app
Aug 22 21:17:42 <fxspec06> stupid ram, it's always JUST ram.
Aug 22 21:17:43 <dwc-> the clocks are on the motherboard, not in the RAM chips
Aug 22 21:17:49 <Tibfib_> kesne: PalmSystem.stageReady()
Aug 22 21:17:52 * Tibfib_ guesses
Aug 22 21:17:52 <dwc-> the speed rating is the highest it will go to
Aug 22 21:17:54 <Tibfib_> something like that
Aug 22 21:17:55 <sugardave> if (window.PalmySystem && PalmSystem.stageReady) {PalmSystem.stageReady();}
Aug 22 21:17:57 <fxspec06> i see
Aug 22 21:18:02 * Tibfib_ WINS
Aug 22 21:18:04 <Tibfib_> I WIN I WIN
Aug 22 21:18:08 <twbbas> Tibfib_: Actually I don't think I'd need the rotating code if I just rotate the images based on if the image is portrait or not
Aug 22 21:18:09 <fxspec06> Tibfib_ loses
Aug 22 21:18:09 <dwc-> so yes you can run ram slower than its max
Aug 22 21:18:12 * sugardave kills Tibfib_.
Aug 22 21:18:22 <Tibfib_> twbbas: oh lol
Aug 22 21:18:25 <Tibfib_> that's true
Aug 22 21:18:29 <sugardave> that's two I've killed today
Aug 22 21:18:33 <fxspec06> i see. well then it would make sense to buy the 1600 in case i upgrade, then i'd have the 1600
Aug 22 21:18:37 <Tibfib_> sorry sugardave
Aug 22 21:18:58 <fxspec06> and it'd run cooler, which is ALWAYS a plus
Aug 22 21:19:33 <dwc-> where's all the people with tablets to tell me if I can choose to restore my palm pre 2's data onto my touchpad later
Aug 22 21:19:54 <PuffTheMagic> how do I prevent background-color from overriding background
Aug 22 21:19:56 * dwc- is impatient
Aug 22 21:19:59 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ in css obviously
Aug 22 21:20:03 <RagingMind> dwc-, when you log into your profile it gives you the option of previous devices that you can restore from
Aug 22 21:20:08 <epyon22_pre-> fxspec06: I'd say get the 1600 if its not too expensive
Aug 22 21:20:44 <fxspec06> it's not, $57 for 8gb of laptop ram is super reasonable
Aug 22 21:20:52 <dwc-> RagingMind: and I can log out of the profile (impostah?) and log back in later and get the same prompt?
Aug 22 21:20:55 <fxspec06> especially when considering prices two years ago
Aug 22 21:20:59 <Tibfib_> glimpse is cool
Aug 22 21:21:04 <epyon22_pre-> fxspec06: you could always oc it up to 1600 I did that with mine cause my mb doesn't technically support it
Aug 22 21:21:07 <RagingMind> dwc-, no clue about that one
Aug 22 21:21:12 <Tibfib_> PuffTheMagic: background-color: black
Aug 22 21:21:21 <Tibfib_> pastebin if that's now what you meant
Aug 22 21:21:25 <sugardave> dwc-: you might be able to make it run the first-use app again, but I'm not sure
Aug 22 21:21:29 <Tibfib_> alrighty
Aug 22 21:21:31 <dwc-> well, I guess I can always doctor it
Aug 22 21:21:32 <fxspec06> hrm good plan. my CPU oc'd to 3.45 :D (dual core)
Aug 22 21:21:32 <Tibfib_> time to get preware on this baby
Aug 22 21:21:44 <dwc-> thanks for the info ragingmind/sugardave
Aug 22 21:22:00 <fxspec06> then i'd need a SSD and it will be maxed maxed maxed
Aug 22 21:22:05 <epyon22_pre-> fxspec06: I'm at 3.6 quad :-P lol
Aug 22 21:22:11 <oilsworkn> dwc-: your tp showed up?
Aug 22 21:22:26 <fxspec06> i would have got a quad core, but my mobo don't support it. unfortunately.
Aug 22 21:22:39 <fxspec06> it's socket p, but the bios never got the quad core support update
Aug 22 21:22:46 <Shadyman> Bahahaha, hpshopping.ca phone service is experiencing a technical difficulty :x
Aug 22 21:22:46 <fxspec06> which is sad
Aug 22 21:23:04 <epyon22_pre-> fxspec06: man that sucks
Aug 22 21:23:05 <Shadyman> "Your call is important to us. Unfortunately, we are experiencing a technical difficulty which should be resolved shortly."
Aug 22 21:23:21 <fxspec06> so i got next best thing: the most badass laptop dual core ever made, x9100
Aug 22 21:23:22 <Bmyers> "due to the popularity of our products.."
Aug 22 21:23:25 <Shadyman> seeing as how they just opened for business monday at 8 after going down for the weekend at 8pm on friday
Aug 22 21:23:34 <Shadyman> So yeah, their sales line is getting hammered
Aug 22 21:23:40 <epyon22_pre-> called best buy and "we are out of hp touchpads" is on their automated msg
Aug 22 21:23:42 <linuxjacques> http://www.precentral.net/coming-soon-touchpad-fire-sale-part-2
Aug 22 21:23:49 <Shadyman> epyon22_pre-: Indeed.
Aug 22 21:23:57 <Shadyman> And.. WANT PRE 3
Aug 22 21:24:13 <Tibfib_> what's the latest preware version?
Aug 22 21:24:27 <sugardave> last one I got was 1.7.0 I think
Aug 22 21:24:28 <RagingMind> Tibfib_, 1.7.3
Aug 22 21:24:33 <Tibfib_> RagingMind: thanks
Aug 22 21:24:33 <sugardave> or that one
Aug 22 21:24:36 <Tibfib_> sugardave: thanks
Aug 22 21:24:39 <SineOt> Hey y'all
Aug 22 21:24:46 <sugardave> hi SineOt
Aug 22 21:24:49 <epyon22_pre-> lol I was gonna say 1.7.1 lol
Aug 22 21:25:03 <dwc-> I'm at 2.8ghz with a "dual core"
Aug 22 21:25:05 <SineOt> Spent like 20 minutes talking with the HP WebOS rep at the Best Buy in the area, and geezzzzzz
Aug 22 21:25:06 <fxspec06> http://ark.intel.com/products/35431 beats all i3's and a most of previous gen's quad cores. it was #21 cpumark til january this year
Aug 22 21:25:09 <dwc-> (p4 hyperthreading)
Aug 22 21:25:24 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/SirKneeland/status/105722013993271296
Aug 22 21:26:06 <epyon22_pre-> dwc-: my old p4 is sittin at almost 3 from 2.6 and it has alway run cool
Aug 22 21:26:10 <Tibfib> is ipkg.preware.org no longe rused for feeds?
Aug 22 21:26:11 <fxspec06> and it overclocks VERY nicely. i can do 3.59 for a bit, haven't tried it in a while though
Aug 22 21:26:12 <Tibfib> >.<
Aug 22 21:26:20 <fxspec06> some guy got it to 4.0 O.O
Aug 22 21:27:07 <fxspec06> alright guys where's this UPS guy. i'm getting very impatient
Aug 22 21:27:20 <RagingMind> I just installed 1.7.3 today
Aug 22 21:27:36 <Tibfib> I can't find any version higher than 0.9 in the ipkg.preware.org
Aug 22 21:27:37 <Tibfib> oh well
Aug 22 21:27:38 <Tibfib> should work
Aug 22 21:27:42 <Tibfib> just will update it
Aug 22 21:27:47 <epyon22_pre-> my phenom black edition are really good value for the money I have it oc'ed from 3.2 to 3.6ish
Aug 22 21:27:57 <fxspec06> that's good
Aug 22 21:28:04 <sugardave> Tibfib: 1.7.0 is on get.preware.org
Aug 22 21:28:12 <PuffTheMagic> yo someone help me with some css
Aug 22 21:28:21 <fxspec06> i've been contemplating drilling holes in the bottom of my case to make airflow better
Aug 22 21:28:22 <dawm|laptop> no
Aug 22 21:28:23 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: I can "help" you
Aug 22 21:28:29 <Tibfib> oh
Aug 22 21:28:32 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: paste it
Aug 22 21:28:49 <Shadyman1> Heh, the automated phone system for hpshopping.ca is up now, though when it transfers to the 'existing order' area, it gets a busy signal. Their system is down too.
Aug 22 21:28:50 <Shadyman1> lewl
Aug 22 21:29:00 <PuffTheMagic> i cant paste it but i can describe the issue
Aug 22 21:29:18 <fxspec06> check out this guy, post #30: http://forum.notebookreview.com/gateway-emachines/505982-x9100-results-7815u-3.html crazy stuff
Aug 22 21:29:19 <PuffTheMagic> or
Aug 22 21:29:20 <PuffTheMagic> better yet
Aug 22 21:29:20 <kesne> Woop
Aug 22 21:29:26 <SineOt> Everything has been absolutely hammered
Aug 22 21:29:30 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib: sugardave you have TPs right?
Aug 22 21:29:31 <Shadyman1> Giggity
Aug 22 21:29:38 <Tibfib> yessir
Aug 22 21:29:38 <kesne> WHO WANTED THIS
Aug 22 21:29:39 <kesne> http://webos101.com/Detect_Orientation_Without_Rotating_(Enyo)
Aug 22 21:29:41 <sugardave> si
Aug 22 21:29:53 <SineOt> it got a point on saturday that calling ANYWHERE and asking for the electronics department would get them to go "We don't have any Touchpads"
Aug 22 21:30:00 <twbbas> thanks kesne: Both me and Tibfib wanted it
Aug 22 21:30:12 <kesne> twbbas: No worries. It's far from pretty, but it works
Aug 22 21:30:13 <twbbas> haha "le code"
Aug 22 21:30:18 <fxspec06> oh dude for detect orientation, just check for window resize
Aug 22 21:30:44 <twbbas> fxspec06: what if the window doesn't resize?
Aug 22 21:30:53 <sugardave> it does
Aug 22 21:31:04 <sugardave> but there is onorientationchange
Aug 22 21:31:05 <twbbas> :o
Aug 22 21:31:10 <dwc-> epyon22_pre-: I have no reason to overclock it really... it runs fine, the gpu is more limited than the cpu, and I don't like the heat/noise :)
Aug 22 21:31:13 <kesne> sugardave: That rotates the app
Aug 22 21:31:24 <fxspec06> lol, it does
Aug 22 21:31:32 <kesne> The whole point is to detect it, while keeping the orientation the same
Aug 22 21:31:34 <twbbas> kesne's code is for when app isn't rotating
Aug 22 21:31:34 <sugardave> I haven't looked at what you wrote
Aug 22 21:31:39 <fxspec06> but sugardave's way is better
Aug 22 21:31:41 <dwc-> and... I don't know what you mean by a p4 running cool... the only thing hotter, iirc was the 1.4ghz tbirds :p
Aug 22 21:31:46 <fxspec06> for mojo i use window resize
Aug 22 21:31:48 <kesne> sugardave's way doesn't work
Aug 22 21:31:57 <fxspec06> well then try my way dangit!
Aug 22 21:31:58 <sugardave> mine just listens for an event
Aug 22 21:32:12 <sugardave> I mean that's the event to listen for
Aug 22 21:32:19 <fxspec06> k i gotta go eat, bbs
Aug 22 21:32:21 <twbbas> do a gladiator style orientation change battle
Aug 22 21:32:24 <twbbas> see which one is best
Aug 22 21:32:25 * fxspec06 prays for touchpad to arrive
Aug 22 21:32:41 <sugardave> but ther's also a ApplicationEvents kind that you can use (if you're doing Enyo)
Aug 22 21:32:46 <kesne> sugardave: But again, that rotates errything
Aug 22 21:33:00 <sugardave> listening for an event does not rotate everything :/
Aug 22 21:33:41 <sugardave> why not just listen for acceleration and check position then?
Aug 22 21:33:52 <sugardave> 4 times a second or 30, your choice
Aug 22 21:34:51 <dwc-> hmm, so I've restored stuff from phone backup... this includes messaging messages... I assume this is a one-time one-way sync... too bad.
Aug 22 21:35:00 <dwc-> new messages will only be on one or the ohter
Aug 22 21:35:34 <edude03> hmm I wonder if the guy who made Rilly is here
Aug 22 21:35:40 <eurisko> hi
Aug 22 21:36:11 <eurisko> any news regarding webos future?
Aug 22 21:36:25 <akanster> nothing official yet
Aug 22 21:38:30 <dwc-> meh, vpn and wifi settings not migrated over, too bad
Aug 22 21:38:42 <eurisko> what are they going to do with the pre3?
Aug 22 21:39:18 <dwc-> last known news on pre3: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391519,00.asp?kc=PCRSS05
Aug 22 21:39:27 <edude03> Hopefully sell me one eurisko :P
Aug 22 21:39:44 <eurisko> i need devices so bad
Aug 22 21:39:46 <SineOt> Pre3 is canned for the US, and on sale in the UK and France, and already sold out in Germany
Aug 22 21:39:49 <edude03> OH my god.
Aug 22 21:40:18 <edude03> Dear European friends, if the P3 really goes on sale for $75, I will pay $150 for someone to ship me one
Aug 22 21:40:25 <eurisko> but now i aint buying for reg price
Aug 22 21:40:37 <klausa> edude03: 75 Euro
Aug 22 21:40:41 <klausa> that's difference
Aug 22 21:40:43 <edude03> oh :|
Aug 22 21:40:46 <edude03> This is true
Aug 22 21:41:02 <klausa> $110
Aug 22 21:41:06 <klausa> -ish
Aug 22 21:41:09 <Shadyman> Still
Aug 22 21:41:20 <Shadyman> I'd pay 150 for that
Aug 22 21:41:24 <dwc-> http://www.precentral.net/coming-soon-touchpad-fire-sale-part-2 hey! I was in that line!
Aug 22 21:41:55 <klausa> I don't know where you can get one.
Aug 22 21:42:07 <klausa> If you find place for that price, I'll try to arrange something.
Aug 22 21:42:13 <dwc-> the UK stores, probably
Aug 22 21:42:15 <eurisko>  but the pre3 was already sold?
Aug 22 21:42:25 <edude03> Ok ok 150 if you can, 200 max
Aug 22 21:42:28 <klausa> dwc-: You mean brick&mortar?
Aug 22 21:42:28 <HattCzech_work> dwc-: in the picture, too?
Aug 22 21:42:35 <SineOt> Pre3 was sold out in Germany, apparently, eurisko
Aug 22 21:42:47 <dwc-> klausa: dunno, I know online stores had them...
Aug 22 21:42:52 <SineOt> and hasn't price dropped in the UK or France, if I'm reading the Precentral article right
Aug 22 21:42:54 <dwc-> but since I'm not in the UK, I never looked for a B&M
Aug 22 21:43:03 <dwc-> HattCzech_work: maybe. resolution is pretty bad
Aug 22 21:43:16 <HattCzech_work> true, it was a small picture
Aug 22 21:43:30 <dwc-> if there was a timestamp on the picture, I'd be able to tell
Aug 22 21:43:54 <dawm|laptop> if i have touchpad unchecked in the app submission, does that mean it wont be shown to tp users?
Aug 22 21:43:55 <sugardave> kesne: oh I see you are using acceleration, +1 Enyo points to you
Aug 22 21:44:08 <dawm|laptop> i have no sshots is why i ask, and its crying about it
Aug 22 21:44:10 <kesne> sugardave: Haha, why do you say that?
Aug 22 21:44:17 <eurisko> well li hope amazon uk drops the price for both so i can afford them
Aug 22 21:44:18 <Bmyers> sugardave: \o/
Aug 22 21:44:39 <sugardave> kesne: I figured you deserve at least one point...
Aug 22 21:44:53 <SineOt> Hmm, anyone tried picking up a Touchpad from onSale over Amazon?
Aug 22 21:44:59 <kesne> ..
Aug 22 21:45:01 <kesne> :(
Aug 22 21:45:02 <dawm|laptop> so wait..
Aug 22 21:45:15 <dawm|laptop> sdk 3 doesnt have 2.x images?
Aug 22 21:45:24 <eurisko> i did its on regular price
Aug 22 21:45:26 <dawm|laptop> only tp
Aug 22 21:45:27 <rwatkins-mbp> woot, got the retweet.  :)
Aug 22 21:45:35 <leiru> http://www.shopping.hp.com/can/handheld/iPAQ/1/storefronts?jumpid=re_r11694_webos_topnav_psg_may2011_smartphones
Aug 22 21:45:40 <dwc-> the download server must be hozed...
Aug 22 21:45:50 <dwc-> this download is going very slowly
Aug 22 21:45:56 <craiger> any touchpad's for sale out there?
Aug 22 21:46:03 <dwc-> leiru: ? buying an iPaq?
Aug 22 21:46:08 <leiru> veer, pre, pre2, and some other all for $49
Aug 22 21:46:09 * craiger has been reloading slickdeals.net all day
Aug 22 21:46:12 <uncola> SineOt, I bought two yesterday
Aug 22 21:46:19 <dawm|laptop> awesome
Aug 22 21:46:26 <SineOt> uncola: through onSale?
Aug 22 21:46:27 <dwc-> craiger: you missed the 5 minutes that tigerdirect/compusa had them huh?
Aug 22 21:46:31 <dawm|laptop> my macbook screen is too small for tp emu
Aug 22 21:46:35 <leiru> oh fuck
Aug 22 21:46:36 <craiger> yah, i actually got thru to them on the phone
Aug 22 21:46:40 <linuxjacques> leiru: but all out of stock
Aug 22 21:46:41 <leiru> everything out of stock
Aug 22 21:46:42 <craiger> gone in seconds
Aug 22 21:46:47 <akanster> leiru: well the HP iPAQ Glisten is in stock!
Aug 22 21:46:54 <SineOt> and for only 199!
Aug 22 21:46:56 <SineOt> what a deal
Aug 22 21:47:00 <uncola> SineOt,  yeah onsale
Aug 22 21:47:11 <SineOt> uncola: you had the order confirmed/shipped yet?
Aug 22 21:47:15 <uncola> no not yet
Aug 22 21:47:24 <uncola> oh yeah, it was confirmed.  but not shipped
Aug 22 21:47:26 <SineOt> what time did you order?
Aug 22 21:47:33 <SineOt> so it says "shipping soon" on Amazon?
Aug 22 21:47:49 <uncola> yes
Aug 22 21:48:08 <klausa> BTW, guys - TPad have Gorrilla Glass so it should be scratch resistant, right?
Aug 22 21:48:14 <uncola> I ordered yesterday around like.. 1pm?  something like that
Aug 22 21:48:21 <uncola> er, 1pm hawaii time
Aug 22 21:48:27 <eurisko> i think this price drop can make webos survive what do u guys think?
Aug 22 21:48:45 <SineOt> uncola: apparently that's just a placeholder that Amazon puts in for the step between the order shipping and the payment actually transferring to the seller
Aug 22 21:48:51 <rwatkins-mbp> depends on if management can do something amazing, rather than trip over themselves again.
Aug 22 21:49:09 <SineOt> so some people have been saying that just because it says shipping soon doesn't mean you actually have one in stock for you :B
Aug 22 21:49:09 <twbbas> Me running the Amazon Appstore Android emulator on my TouchPad browser: https://www.box.net/shared/u89smclpaygl9jix6c85
Aug 22 21:49:17 <SineOt> so I'm fretting over it
Aug 22 21:50:06 <dawm|laptop> wtf.. how do you rotate in the emulator?
Aug 22 21:50:20 <eurisko> they dont have to do somethig amazing is just doing things right. which they didn't
Aug 22 21:50:22 <edude03> hey rwatkins-mbp was it you who wrote paper mache?
Aug 22 21:50:27 <dwc-> eurisko: depends. someone else has to start making devices
Aug 22 21:50:35 <rwatkins-mbp> edude03: ya, thats me.
Aug 22 21:50:44 <dwc-> no devices = eventual death
Aug 22 21:51:01 <johnfromnix> dawm: function keys... F6-F9 i think
Aug 22 21:51:18 <eurisko> i dont think no one will catchc webos
Aug 22 21:52:09 <dawm|laptop> yeah they arent working
Aug 22 21:52:21 <rwatkins-mbp> dawm|laptop: depends on if the app is rotation locked or not.
Aug 22 21:52:35 <rwatkins-mbp> had that brain fart w/ my own app the other night.
Aug 22 21:52:36 <PuffTheMagic> is there a fly in from bottom/top enyo transition by any chance?
Aug 22 21:52:46 <dawm|laptop> well my mojo apps keep opening sideways in the emulator
Aug 22 21:52:50 <dawm|laptop> all i need is sshots damn it
Aug 22 21:53:17 <edude03> rwatkins-mbp Awesome! No chance you could get it working with Read it Later eh?
Aug 22 21:53:38 <dawm|laptop> i guess ill have to wait till i have my touchpad
Aug 22 21:53:47 <dawm|laptop> or go on the pc and download sdk3
Aug 22 21:54:00 <rwatkins-mbp> edude03: I think the Instapaper API Terms forbid that.  But toyed with the idea of doing it down the road perhaps as a new app.
Aug 22 21:55:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Adora: ping
Aug 22 21:55:23 <dawm|laptop> odd
Aug 22 21:55:25 <Adora> IGNTNUNLMTD:  pong
Aug 22 21:55:38 <dawm|laptop> 'the center button blinks when new notifications arrive.' on a touchpad?
Aug 22 21:55:53 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-: i think +500k TP's bought them some time
Aug 22 21:55:54 <rwatkins-mbp> http://www.instapaper.com/api/terms - "Apps must not include support for any other services that compete with or are substantially similar to Instapaper, unless the app uses only the “Add Bookmark” and/or “Verify Credentials” methods from this API."
Aug 22 21:56:13 <PuffTheMagic> rwatkins-mbp: lame
Aug 22 21:56:22 <dawm|laptop> does esc not work in the emulator now? this is totally poop
Aug 22 21:56:22 <rwatkins-mbp> indeed
Aug 22 21:56:35 <PuffTheMagic> rwatkins-mbp: guess we cant make a super zotero,mendeley,instapaper app
Aug 22 21:56:53 <rwatkins-mbp> unless you abandon the api and screenscrape.
Aug 22 21:57:01 <PuffTheMagic> hell no
Aug 22 21:57:02 <eurisko> back
Aug 22 21:57:23 <eurisko> i was saying i don't believe , that webos will be left for a slow death
Aug 22 21:58:02 <dawm|laptop> how do you minimize shit in sdk3
Aug 22 21:58:06 <dawm|laptop> this is seriously pissing me off
Aug 22 21:59:23 <dawm|laptop> anyone?
Aug 22 21:59:36 <twbbas> dawm|laptop: go to card view? press home key
Aug 22 21:59:38 <dawm|laptop> sdk3 emulator is fucking shit
Aug 22 21:59:39 <eurisko> right now i am just dumb with hp management decisions, i can't really understand them!!! are they taking something?!
Aug 22 21:59:45 <dawm|laptop> i only have esc
Aug 22 21:59:59 <twbbas> dawm|laptop: uhh... I don't know then
Aug 22 22:00:00 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: not all made it to customers though.... but yea...
Aug 22 22:00:02 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: the toaster can come in from the bottom to top
Aug 22 22:00:03 <matbee_> :(!!
Aug 22 22:00:12 <matbee_> amazon has the touchpad listed as 399.99 now
Aug 22 22:00:15 <matbee_> wth!!
Aug 22 22:00:17 <dwc-> I'm on a 30mbit connection and it got maybe 20% done and died
Aug 22 22:00:23 <dwc-> matbee_: not all retailers have reduced prcies
Aug 22 22:00:25 <eurisko> matbee, wich one?
Aug 22 22:00:31 <matbee_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0056UOUHS/ref=ord_cart_shr
Aug 22 22:00:32 <dwc-> unless this is sold by amazon
Aug 22 22:00:42 <dawm|laptop> whats the keycombo for HOME on a stupid ass macbook
Aug 22 22:00:42 <dwc-> Ships from and sold by Quality Photo.
Aug 22 22:00:47 <matbee_> oh
Aug 22 22:00:49 <dwc-> fn-one of the arrow-keys
Aug 22 22:00:52 <matbee_> what does that mean
Aug 22 22:00:55 <matbee_> its not amazon?
Aug 22 22:01:01 <dwc-> amazon is the marketplace
Aug 22 22:01:19 <dwc-> other companies can put their stuff up
Aug 22 22:01:22 <dwc-> and also fulfill orders
Aug 22 22:01:24 <dawm|laptop> fucking christ
Aug 22 22:01:26 <dawm|laptop> thank you
Aug 22 22:01:35 <dwc-> dawm: get a real computer! *ducks*
Aug 22 22:01:39 <PuffTheMagic> sugardave: i didnt see bottom/top in enyo.transitions
Aug 22 22:01:46 <dawm|laptop> now the emulator froze
Aug 22 22:01:52 <matbee_> so, I'm due for an upgrade
Aug 22 22:02:01 <matbee_> :(
Aug 22 22:02:18 <dawm|laptop> WTF
Aug 22 22:02:25 <dawm|laptop> now im at the lock screen?
Aug 22 22:02:40 <matbee_> guh
Aug 22 22:02:46 <matbee_> does anyone have a link to a touchpad?
Aug 22 22:02:51 <matbee_> or are they seriously all gone
Aug 22 22:02:54 <dawm|laptop> all gone
Aug 22 22:02:56 <dawm|laptop> for now
Aug 22 22:03:06 <dawm|laptop> ebay is your best bet if you MUST have one
Aug 22 22:03:10 <SineOt> matbee_: check slickdeals they have a page that gets updated really quick with what is, and isn't, in stock
Aug 22 22:03:10 <dawm|laptop> expect to pay a premium
Aug 22 22:03:26 <dawm|laptop> how in the hell do you get to the lock screen on the emulator..
Aug 22 22:03:33 <SineOt> the best bet is to buy one at full price and fight with HP to get them to reimburse the difference :Q
Aug 22 22:03:55 <twbbas> SineOt: That's what I did
Aug 22 22:03:57 <twbbas> It shipped out today
Aug 22 22:04:08 <twbbas> I got it full price from HP.com Saturday
Aug 22 22:04:20 <dwc-> if it's HP small business, they've alreayd said they'll fix those
Aug 22 22:04:23 <dawm|laptop> locked up again
Aug 22 22:04:31 <dawm|laptop> this emu is poop
Aug 22 22:04:43 <matbee_> hmm
Aug 22 22:04:44 <eurisko> the touchpad is on the same price in france http://www8.hp.com/fr/fr/products/tablets/index.html
Aug 22 22:05:05 <matbee_> ebay?
Aug 22 22:05:08 <matbee_> ill end up paying normal price
Aug 22 22:05:08 <matbee_> lol
Aug 22 22:05:19 <matbee_> paying 2x the price is lame.
Aug 22 22:05:26 <dawm|laptop> try 3
Aug 22 22:05:35 <dawm|laptop> 16gbs for 300+ on ebay
Aug 22 22:05:37 <matbee_> 3x is even more lame and less likely
Aug 22 22:05:42 <dawm|laptop> and theyre selling
Aug 22 22:05:44 <matbee_> id rather go without
Aug 22 22:05:46 <dawm|laptop> those are bidded prices
Aug 22 22:05:46 <zenitram> stores in france are offering it at german price
Aug 22 22:05:48 <zenitram> at least fnac
Aug 22 22:07:07 <dwc-> Hey, we noticed you looking at tablets on Amazon.com and thought you might be
Aug 22 22:07:07 <dwc-> +interested in today's Woot deal:
Aug 22 22:07:12 <dwc-> Woot: ViewSonic gTablet 10.1-Inch Multi-Touch Tablet - $239.99 + $5 shipping -
Aug 22 22:07:14 <dwc-> heh.....
Aug 22 22:07:38 <eurisko> eheh
Aug 22 22:08:14 <dawm|laptop> d
Aug 22 22:08:17 <linuxjacques> :-\
Aug 22 22:08:22 <eurisko> i had a 199$ tablet 7 months ago an archos
Aug 22 22:08:41 * dwc- wasn't looking at tablets on amazon.com... no siree... not all weekend.
Aug 22 22:09:21 <eurisko>  for the price it's nice, it boots linux , the screen sucks
Aug 22 22:09:39 <dawm|laptop> woot just scored 4 more touchpads
Aug 22 22:09:47 <dawm|laptop> thank you overstock.com
Aug 22 22:10:29 <klausa> dawm|laptop: huh?
Aug 22 22:10:34 <klausa> I don't see them anywere.
Aug 22 22:10:39 <webhostbudd> probably so
Aug 22 22:10:42 <dgathright> dawm|laptop: Got a link? I know people that are looking.
Aug 22 22:11:10 <dawm|laptop> i got the last ones
Aug 22 22:11:27 <dawm|laptop> im kidding
Aug 22 22:11:33 <dawm|laptop> the only thing they have is the keyboard
Aug 22 22:11:38 <dawm|laptop> and not a good price either
Aug 22 22:11:54 <SineOt> yeah, not at 69$
Aug 22 22:11:54 <dwc-> My Hp Touchpad (Paperback)
Aug 22 22:12:02 <SineOt> at that point it's most of the cost of the tablet itself
Aug 22 22:12:02 <dwc-> look, a light-weight touchpad!
Aug 22 22:12:31 <PsWii60> where
Aug 22 22:12:35 <dawm|laptop> altho
Aug 22 22:12:41 <dawm|laptop> if you want to kill a website
Aug 22 22:12:47 <dawm|laptop> post on twitter that they have touchpads in stock
Aug 22 22:12:48 <dawm|laptop> and BAM
Aug 22 22:12:50 <dawm|laptop> server down
Aug 22 22:12:54 <PsWii60> lol
Aug 22 22:13:02 <PsWii60> that's cute
Aug 22 22:13:06 <dawm|laptop> the HP TouchPad DDoS
Aug 22 22:13:22 <webhostbudd> yes
Aug 22 22:13:37 <rwatkins-mbp> TouchPads in STOCK! - http://www.apple.com/store/
Aug 22 22:13:42 <webhostbudd> hp touchpads have been killing the interwebs lately
Aug 22 22:13:44 <webhostbudd> no
Aug 22 22:13:59 <dawm|laptop> im meaning a small site
Aug 22 22:13:59 <webhostbudd> TouchPads in STOCK! - http://www.google.com/
Aug 22 22:14:05 <webhostbudd> lol
Aug 22 22:14:06 <dawm|laptop> like geekhq or someshit
Aug 22 22:14:09 <webhostbudd> yea
Aug 22 22:14:19 <dawm|laptop> im surprised tigerdirect went down tho
Aug 22 22:14:20 <rwatkins-mbp> put that behind a t.co redirect and - bam!
Aug 22 22:14:28 <dawm|laptop> i was certain they had some decent power
Aug 22 22:15:31 <webhostbudd> hopefully cdw fills my order unlike b&n
Aug 22 22:15:38 <webhostbudd> anyone else try them?
Aug 22 22:15:40 <dawm|laptop> nope
Aug 22 22:15:44 <dawm|laptop> they dont have them
Aug 22 22:15:50 <dawm|laptop> availaibility: CALL
Aug 22 22:15:51 <webhostbudd> not now
Aug 22 22:15:56 <webhostbudd> i ordered before that happened
Aug 22 22:16:05 <webhostbudd> when their servers were mega glitchy
Aug 22 22:16:07 <dawm|laptop> i wish HP would stop dicking around tho
Aug 22 22:16:14 <dawm|laptop> i ordered before it went live
Aug 22 22:16:14 <webhostbudd> what do you mean?
Aug 22 22:16:18 <webhostbudd> o haha
Aug 22 22:16:19 <dawm|laptop> but still snuck the $99
Aug 22 22:16:27 <dawm|laptop> still didnt ship today
Aug 22 22:16:48 <dawm|laptop> i ordered before the slickdeals thread reached 10 pages
Aug 22 22:16:55 <dawm|laptop> so i know im near the top of the damn list
Aug 22 22:17:09 <SineOt> the waiting game is the worst
Aug 22 22:17:48 <dawm|laptop> indeed
Aug 22 22:17:56 <dawm|laptop> i think my apps are glitched in the catalog
Aug 22 22:18:06 <dawm|laptop> and i cant update them wo/ tp sshots apparently
Aug 22 22:18:10 <dawm|laptop> and the emulator is uber stupid
Aug 22 22:18:18 <dgathright> webhostbudd: When did you order from B&N? I did last night at ~9pm PDT and haven't received a cancellation notification yet.
Aug 22 22:18:30 <dawm|laptop> like my apps are listed as pixi/veer and tp compatible ....
Aug 22 22:18:47 <dawm|laptop> but when i goto update it and select pre/pre2 im instructed that the form is invalid without tp sshots
Aug 22 22:19:01 <dawm|laptop> so pissed
Aug 22 22:21:45 <JustinHoMi> dgathright, I ordered mine last night at 12:28am EST and I *just* got a cancellation notice
Aug 22 22:22:35 <Bmyers> bb shipped mine
Aug 22 22:22:37 <dgathright> Just checked B&N, one of my orders is "Not Yet Shipped" and the other is "Unable to process order"  So maybe I'm 1 for 2.  We'll see.
Aug 22 22:23:13 <Txyru> dgathright, when did you order
Aug 22 22:23:18 <dgathright> Odd though, the 2nd order I made (a few minutes later) is the one that is "Not Yet Shipped".
Aug 22 22:23:26 <JustinHoMi> mine still says unable to process order
Aug 22 22:23:42 <Txyru> I ordered last night at like 7pm pst
Aug 22 22:23:52 <JustinHoMi> Txyru, on B&N?
Aug 22 22:23:56 <Txyru> amazon
Aug 22 22:23:57 <dgathright> Txyru: Looks like 10:26pm PDT
Aug 22 22:23:58 <pc500> dgarbs:  - cdw:  cancelled
Aug 22 22:24:04 <pc500> dgarbs:  - B&N:  cancelled
Aug 22 22:24:17 <pc500> dgarbs:  - office depot:  Manager called and not available for pickup.
Aug 22 22:24:21 <JustinHoMi> dgathright, which order was at 10:26, the first or the second?
Aug 22 22:24:24 <pc500> dgarbs:  - Local best buy "didnt' have any".
Aug 22 22:24:32 <pc500> So I'm SOL
Aug 22 22:24:39 <PsWii60> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2103532/hp-lose-usd400m-touchpad-price-cuts
Aug 22 22:24:55 <Txyru> Time:	
Aug 22 22:24:55 <Txyru> 	22:22:03 PDT
Aug 22 22:24:56 <dgathright> JustinHoMi: 10:22pm & 10:26pm
Aug 22 22:24:58 <Txyru> was my order
Aug 22 22:24:59 <Txyru> actually.
Aug 22 22:25:23 <PsWii60> According to IHS Isuppli, a 16GB Touchpad costs $306 to make, while the 32GB model costs $318.
Aug 22 22:25:24 <PsWii60> Read more: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2103532/hp-lose-usd400m-touchpad-price-cuts#ixzz1VnbNic7o
Aug 22 22:25:24 <PsWii60> The Inquirer - Computer hardware news and downloads. Visit the download store today.
Aug 22 22:25:28 <PsWii60> :(
Aug 22 22:25:36 <JustinHoMi> yours were after mine.... i'd say it's unlikely that they'll go through, unless B&N is processing orders in reverse
Aug 22 22:25:54 <klausa>  PsWii60 Actually, I used the same methodology to calculate that and only got yelled at for being a moron.
Aug 22 22:25:55 <edude03> rwatkins-mbp that's annoying : /
Aug 22 22:26:02 <dgathright> I seriously doubt HP produced 2 million Touchpads
Aug 22 22:26:08 <javispedro> I doubt it costs $300
Aug 22 22:26:11 <javispedro> it probably costs $100.
Aug 22 22:26:21 <javispedro> not including sw, services, etc.
Aug 22 22:26:26 <kirksutton> teardown showed it similar manufacture cost as ipad
Aug 22 22:26:38 <dgathright> A teardown widely reported 3 or 4 days ago was $250 in manufacturing costs per TP
Aug 22 22:26:41 <javispedro> so, $100 :)
Aug 22 22:26:48 <eurisko> 400 million is peanuts
Aug 22 22:26:51 <dawm|laptop> 318
Aug 22 22:26:53 <dawm|laptop> not 250
Aug 22 22:27:04 <dgathright> not the ones I read.  but who knows
Aug 22 22:27:06 <javispedro> or do you think apple gets to be the company with largest profits in the world by selling a device that costs $300+ to manufacture?
Aug 22 22:27:13 <dawm|laptop> 318 came from when it actually launched
Aug 22 22:27:14 <kirksutton> yeah the first ones put it at 318
Aug 22 22:27:18 <dawm|laptop> prices may have changed since then
Aug 22 22:27:27 <klausa> javispedro: They are selling it at $499.
Aug 22 22:27:28 <dawm|laptop> but all these were probably made at the 318 price point
Aug 22 22:27:36 <klausa> Thats $200 per device.
Aug 22 22:27:45 <klausa> Multiply that by number of iPads and it would seem about right.
Aug 22 22:27:49 <javispedro> klausa: totally too low for sw.
Aug 22 22:28:01 <dgathright> Regardless, 250 or 318, both are believable and are close enough.  $100? Not so much.
Aug 22 22:28:04 <rwatkins-mbp> if they had done the firesale 30 times - maybe once a month for 2.5 yrs, id' still be cheaper than the 12.5 bil marketcap loss from the announcement.
Aug 22 22:28:06 <javispedro> so I doubt it unless you're already including sw and services in the $300.
Aug 22 22:28:15 <klausa> sw?
Aug 22 22:28:18 <klausa> As in software?
Aug 22 22:28:19 <javispedro> software.
Aug 22 22:28:25 <dawm|laptop> that article says 306 for 16gb and 318 for the 32
Aug 22 22:28:27 <dwc-> touchpad for public sector isn't sold out yet :p
Aug 22 22:28:36 <dwc-> but you probably need a PO
Aug 22 22:28:37 <klausa> iOS for iPhone was surely bitch to develop.
Aug 22 22:28:49 <eurisko> rwatkins, that's the truth but they don't care about it. that way they buy paper the next day
Aug 22 22:28:51 <klausa> But shoving it onto iPad must have been really cheap.
Aug 22 22:28:59 <javispedro> klausa: ask hp.
Aug 22 22:29:07 <klausa> javispedro: Ask HP what?
Aug 22 22:29:14 <klausa> How much Apple spent on iOS?
Aug 22 22:29:17 <Bmyers> rwatkins-mbp:  yeah right..
Aug 22 22:29:19 <javispedro> how easy it was to shove something designed for a handset on a tablet
Aug 22 22:29:20 <dawm|laptop> $2.34
Aug 22 22:29:23 <eurisko> this is just a company being sunk just like elop is doing with nokia
Aug 22 22:29:31 <javispedro> how many years wasted,e tc.
Aug 22 22:29:36 <Bmyers> they didnt figure in the hit in the pants of stock value when scrubbing webos from the future
Aug 22 22:29:36 <dawm|laptop> not wasted
Aug 22 22:29:41 <rwatkins-mbp> and that assumes zero revenue for the app sales over those 2.5 hrs.
Aug 22 22:29:44 <rwatkins-mbp> yrs.
Aug 22 22:30:19 <dawm|laptop> hr
Aug 22 22:30:20 <dawm|laptop> hrm
Aug 22 22:30:24 <Bmyers> webos experience lends itself well to html 5 experience
Aug 22 22:30:26 <dawm|laptop> your mom jokes dont work well on facebook
Aug 22 22:30:36 <dawm|laptop> since their mom is probably on there
Aug 22 22:30:52 <Bmyers> does hulu work on the TP?
Aug 22 22:30:53 <eurisko> 2 weeks ago i belevied the future players were android,ios and webos, now probably is going to be android , ios and well Windows Phone
Aug 22 22:30:54 <klausa> javispedro: Millions of cheap chineese android tablet prove that it is, acutally, easy.
Aug 22 22:30:58 <dawm|laptop> yes Bmyers
Aug 22 22:31:10 <Bmyers> sweet
Aug 22 22:31:13 <klausa> Well, million is overstatement.
Aug 22 22:31:13 <dawm|laptop> netflix no
Aug 22 22:31:15 <dawm|laptop> :|
Aug 22 22:31:18 <Bmyers> :(
Aug 22 22:31:18 <klausa> But I'gll go with hundreds.
Aug 22 22:31:32 <Bmyers> at least theres something
Aug 22 22:31:51 <dawm|laptop> i have people texting me as if they know me
Aug 22 22:31:53 <dawm|laptop> and i dont know who they are
Aug 22 22:31:58 <dawm|laptop> asking how and whre to get a tp..
Aug 22 22:32:02 <dawm|laptop> seriously? gtfo
Aug 22 22:32:15 <dgathright> eurisko: Windows Phone won't ever take off and become a solid 3rd competitor.  While I still doubt webOS has a chance, amazingly the future looks brighter for that possibility than it did a week ago.
Aug 22 22:32:17 <Bmyers> i posted your cell # on slickdeals
Aug 22 22:32:19 <dawm|laptop> i got one cause i got one before it all hit the fan
Aug 22 22:32:21 <Bmyers> was that ok?
Aug 22 22:32:25 <dawm|laptop> no these are friends of friends
Aug 22 22:32:30 <dawm|laptop> fucktards
Aug 22 22:32:47 <dawm|laptop> i mean i ordered mine like 2 days ago
Aug 22 22:32:52 <Bmyers> sell them yours for a profit
Aug 22 22:32:53 <dawm|laptop> and your asking me today where to get one?
Aug 22 22:32:57 <dawm|laptop> i wish i bought 2
Aug 22 22:32:59 <dawm|laptop> just for that reason
Aug 22 22:33:14 <eurisko> dgathright, now because it haves a userbase only in US! not in the rest of the world. ANd after 2 years? Where are the devices?
Aug 22 22:33:16 <Bmyers> give them haeffb cell #, hes got a few  coming
Aug 22 22:33:21 <eurisko> the new devices?!
Aug 22 22:33:24 <crazy8> any irc apps for touchpad? or any in development?
Aug 22 22:33:27 <dawm|laptop> i didnt know shit was gonna blow up like that
Aug 22 22:33:30 <crazy8> just curious
Aug 22 22:33:33 <dawm|laptop> crazy8: wirc
Aug 22 22:33:36 <dawm|laptop> homebrew
Aug 22 22:33:44 <onr> if someone make a android/ios emulator app, webos will survive forever
Aug 22 22:33:46 <crazy8> ok
Aug 22 22:34:00 <rwatkins-mbp> ah there ya go .... ios emulator app for a mobile device.
Aug 22 22:34:01 <dawm|laptop> HEY BITCH
Aug 22 22:34:05 <dgathright> eurisko: New devices will likely come, just not from HP.  And Touchpads are being sold around the world.  Not just the US.
Aug 22 22:34:06 * dawm|laptop points at funkatron 
Aug 22 22:34:08 <rwatkins-mbp> jobs would lurve that one.
Aug 22 22:34:10 <Bmyers> i figured devs and stuff would care but lines at OD before they open sat morn?
Aug 22 22:34:17 <crazy8> hows wirc run?
Aug 22 22:34:28 <dawm|laptop> idk if the tp version is ready
Aug 22 22:34:31 <dawm|laptop> but theres the phone one
Aug 22 22:34:33 <dawm|laptop> works good
Aug 22 22:34:41 <crazy8> cool
Aug 22 22:34:41 <funkatron> hello
Aug 22 22:34:45 <funkatron> bitch
Aug 22 22:34:46 <dwc-> Bmyers: lines, but didn't matter. they'd all been sold via ship-to-store the night before :P
Aug 22 22:34:48 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 22 22:35:02 <Bmyers> exactly
Aug 22 22:35:12 <rwatkins-mbp> webos app emulator for iOS and Android == PhoneGap.
Aug 22 22:35:18 <dawm|laptop> people started buying them merely because they heard they were selling out
Aug 22 22:35:19 <eurisko> dgathright, that's not really truth US, canada,france,germany,uk ... and only us/canada at the cheap price for now.
Aug 22 22:35:19 <onr> how much can i make if i make an emulator, and sell it for $9.99?
Aug 22 22:35:32 <dawm|laptop> if its selling out, it must be good
Aug 22 22:35:33 <eurisko> onr ?!
Aug 22 22:35:33 <Bmyers> even walmart starting answering their phones likes "Walmart, we dont have any touchpads"
Aug 22 22:35:35 <klausa> onr: not much.
Aug 22 22:35:42 <klausa> Most people will pirate it.
Aug 22 22:36:05 <eurisko> in worst case it should be turned open source!
Aug 22 22:36:10 <eurisko> totally
Aug 22 22:36:15 <dgathright> eurisko: Well, I said "around the world", and by that I mean North America, Europe, and Australia.  Dunno about Asia.
Aug 22 22:36:25 <onr> so how the heck i can feed myself?
Aug 22 22:36:35 <klausa> dgathright: It's not in most of europe though.
Aug 22 22:36:37 <dawm|laptop> make a good app?
Aug 22 22:36:45 <Txyru> onr, make it steal money from the user.
Aug 22 22:36:46 <klausa> Just .fr, .de and .uk
Aug 22 22:36:49 <dawm|laptop> my $1.99 app buys my groceries and sometimes gas
Aug 22 22:37:06 <dawm|laptop> and helped me buy my house ;p
Aug 22 22:37:13 <directhex> so, what crap should i be installing on my pre3?
Aug 22 22:37:21 <onr> then whats wrong with $9.99 that brings 1 million apps into webos?
Aug 22 22:37:22 <DanielC|Mac> write web OS for iOS and android? i think that's the wrong approach
Aug 22 22:37:30 <Txyru> onr, make an app that users can plan their day, and send it back to yourself secretly so you cans ee when the user is out of their house then you can rob them.
Aug 22 22:37:38 <DanielC|Mac> android app VM for web os would be better
Aug 22 22:37:39 <DanielC|Mac> :)
Aug 22 22:37:47 <onr> DanielC|Mac: ios and android emulator for webos
Aug 22 22:37:53 <DanielC|Mac> ah okay
Aug 22 22:37:56 <eurisko> onr port webos to ipad
Aug 22 22:38:00 <dawm|laptop> i miss the days when there werent as many idiots in here
Aug 22 22:38:06 <DanielC|Mac> or port iOS to touchpad
Aug 22 22:38:06 <eurisko> i would give you 200$
Aug 22 22:38:07 <DanielC|Mac> O.o
Aug 22 22:38:13 <eurisko> :D
Aug 22 22:38:14 <rwatkins-mbp> your talkin out your ass about having an iOS emulator running on webOS.
Aug 22 22:38:16 <dawm|laptop> so funkatron whats up
Aug 22 22:38:23 <Txyru> is it even possible to port ios to anything non apple?
Aug 22 22:38:29 <rwatkins-mbp> can we take this discussion elsewhere?
Aug 22 22:38:31 <DanielC|Mac> i dont see why not?
Aug 22 22:38:31 <klausa> Txyru: technically?
Aug 22 22:38:33 <Txyru> you would have though someone would have tried it by now.
Aug 22 22:38:36 <klausa> yeah, sure.
Aug 22 22:38:37 <rwatkins-mbp> its clearly going to be a copyright violation.
Aug 22 22:38:38 <klausa> in reality?
Aug 22 22:38:38 <eurisko> just kidding :D
Aug 22 22:38:39 <dawm|laptop> omg.. the noobs..
Aug 22 22:38:39 <klausa> nope.
Aug 22 22:38:44 <dgathright> dawm|laptop: lol.  It used to be so civil & calm around these parts.
Aug 22 22:38:50 <DanielC|Mac> hackintosh works for AMD machines
Aug 22 22:38:53 <funkatron> dawm|laptop: users.
Aug 22 22:38:57 <Txyru> klausa, thats what I thought.
Aug 22 22:38:57 * dwc- has no idea what the ios emulator EULA says
Aug 22 22:39:01 <klausa> Because you had no users?
Aug 22 22:39:05 <dawm|laptop> we almost need a dev channel
Aug 22 22:39:11 <dawm|laptop> oh wait.. thats what this is
Aug 22 22:39:16 <DanielC|Mac> i dont see why you couldnt port iOS to a non apple hardware
Aug 22 22:39:17 <maik> s/is/was/
Aug 22 22:39:18 <rwatkins-mbp> dawm|laptop: no kidding!
Aug 22 22:39:19 <maik> :P
Aug 22 22:39:21 <Txyru> just rename this to #touchpad
Aug 22 22:39:35 <dawm|laptop> it would have to be ##touchpad
Aug 22 22:39:38 <dwc-> DanielC|Mac: EULA
Aug 22 22:39:45 <Bmyers> 202 ppl in #webos, is that a record?
Aug 22 22:39:46 <funkatron> DanielC|Mac: that's cool, but this is #webos. not #magicshit
Aug 22 22:39:49 <maik> there are some protections in the OS X kernel regarding CPU crypto keys, etc
Aug 22 22:39:53 <dgarbs> out of curiosity, how hard is it to work with enyo vs something like, say, titanium mobile
Aug 22 22:39:54 <DanielC|Mac> dwc- i didnt say it would be legal
Aug 22 22:39:55 <dgathright> wow, these are actually a lot of people in #touchpad
Aug 22 22:40:01 <dgathright> these = there
Aug 22 22:40:02 <maik> not sure how the iOS kernel is
Aug 22 22:40:06 <dwc-> well then...
Aug 22 22:40:06 <DanielC|Mac> dunno
Aug 22 22:40:08 <Bmyers> 335 in touchdroid
Aug 22 22:40:11 <DanielC|Mac> i wouldnt care for it
Aug 22 22:40:18 <javispedro> Bmyers: and what they're doing there?
Aug 22 22:40:26 <DanielC|Mac> android app emulator = oracle on your case though
Aug 22 22:40:30 <Txyru> is there a full force of people working on android->touchpad?
Aug 22 22:40:31 <maik> talking about how they wish they could talk to webOS developers, probably
Aug 22 22:40:35 <Bmyers> calling each other stupid moslty
Aug 22 22:40:37 <dawm|laptop> so
Aug 22 22:40:41 <Txyru> I got an email from an oracle employee today
Aug 22 22:40:46 <dawm|laptop> all you tards goto #firesale
Aug 22 22:40:49 <Txyru> asking me some questions about an app I had
Aug 22 22:40:53 <dawm|laptop> this actually is a developer channel
Aug 22 22:40:59 <maik> ya!
Aug 22 22:41:01 <funkatron> e/ignore DanielC|Mac
Aug 22 22:41:03 <Txyru> he was trying to install an android apk on his blackberry...
Aug 22 22:41:03 <maik> gtfo!
Aug 22 22:41:05 <webhostbudd> too late for that i think
Aug 22 22:41:07 <Txyru> Im like.... ...
Aug 22 22:41:13 <DanielC|Mac> funkatron: um okay?
Aug 22 22:41:21 <DanielC|Mac> what did i do to you
Aug 22 22:41:51 <funkatron> let's not forget the /ignore command.
Aug 22 22:41:59 <dawm|laptop> i hope this eventually fades away
Aug 22 22:42:04 <dawm|laptop> this is seriously stupid
Aug 22 22:42:04 <funkatron> it will.
Aug 22 22:42:08 <maik> dawm|laptop: "this" ?
Aug 22 22:42:19 <Bmyers> i think he meant earth
Aug 22 22:42:20 <dawm|laptop> noobs and their wishful thinking
Aug 22 22:42:20 * rwatkins-mbp wishes /ignore worked on the palm dev forums.
Aug 22 22:42:26 <funkatron> oh god
Aug 22 22:42:27 <eurisko> guys is anyone here using the palm emulator on lion?
Aug 22 22:42:28 <funkatron> the dev forums.
Aug 22 22:42:33 <maik> BUT ZOMG IOS ON TOUCHPAD WOULD BE K-RAD!
Aug 22 22:42:36 <dwc-> rwatkins-mbp: isn't there a "foes" list in phpbb?
Aug 22 22:42:36 <funkatron> eurisko: yes.
Aug 22 22:42:39 <dawm|laptop> rwatkins: there is an ignore/block user
Aug 22 22:42:59 <rwatkins-mbp> dwc-: ya, though there was but couldnt find it recently
Aug 22 22:43:05 <dawm|laptop> ./<r4|)
Aug 22 22:43:17 <onr> Txyru: well, there is a way to convert android binary into blackberry playbook capable one
Aug 22 22:43:19 <rwatkins-mbp> prob is that people talk back anaya2
Aug 22 22:43:35 <dawm|laptop> my ignore list just got longer
Aug 22 22:43:44 <DanielC|Mac> so are all of you against the #touchdroid channel then?
Aug 22 22:43:47 <Bmyers> safari is stupid fast on the TP
Aug 22 22:43:56 <funkatron> :ughh:
Aug 22 22:44:00 <rwatkins-mbp> *sigh*
Aug 22 22:44:01 <Bmyers> :)
Aug 22 22:44:04 <dawm|laptop> no
Aug 22 22:44:20 <maik> i don't think so.  android is at least a nice, mostly open platform
Aug 22 22:44:25 <dawm|laptop> we're againsts foolish users that believe anything is possible but have no real knowledge of what theyre talking about
Aug 22 22:44:41 <rwatkins-mbp> ok, who's got the ops around here?  time to start punting ...
Aug 22 22:44:43 * javispedro notes that an iOS "emulator" is not out of the question...
Aug 22 22:44:51 <maik> and if/when HP finally gives webOS the boot, it would be nice to have something else to go to
Aug 22 22:44:53 <dawm|laptop> reminds me of the app request thread on P|C
Aug 22 22:44:56 <dgarbs> chill out guys
Aug 22 22:45:03 <maik> an iOS emulator on the touchpad?  yes, that is out of the question
Aug 22 22:45:09 <dawm|laptop> "i need an app that will turn off my lights and control my ceiliing fans"
Aug 22 22:45:10 <DanielC|Mac> lol you all are an angry bunch huh
Aug 22 22:45:21 <dawm|laptop> we are developers that have been here years
Aug 22 22:45:23 <javispedro> maik: ah, I was talking more like run iOS apps
Aug 22 22:45:26 <dawm|laptop> you have been here for hours
Aug 22 22:45:26 <rwatkins-mbp> just a low tolerance for stupidity
Aug 22 22:45:30 <webhostbudd> if only they would open source webos
Aug 22 22:45:34 <webhostbudd> that would be nice
Aug 22 22:45:34 <scythefwd> My coworkers know I'm into palm.. they told me to go and get my touchpad... I think I'll pass... HP doesn't need my money apparently
Aug 22 22:45:35 <dawm|laptop> no
Aug 22 22:45:39 <Tibfib> rwhitby: ping
Aug 22 22:45:40 <webhostbudd> if they dont update it of course
Aug 22 22:45:44 <maik> javispedro: so running Mach-0 binaries written in objective-C on linux?
Aug 22 22:45:56 <dawm|laptop> maik: you just use a binary convertor
Aug 22 22:45:59 <javispedro> maik: I've done that
Aug 22 22:46:02 <maik> ohhhh, one of those, right....
Aug 22 22:46:12 <javispedro> maik: the missing part obviously is UIKit.
Aug 22 22:46:18 <javispedro> what binary convertor =)
Aug 22 22:46:19 <fxspec06> anyone want a really good clock app for the touchpad?
Aug 22 22:46:28 <fxspec06> like timepiece
Aug 22 22:46:30 <dawm|laptop> binary convertor = native arch VM
Aug 22 22:46:31 <fxspec06> for pre
Aug 22 22:46:41 <javispedro> maik: UIKit is well documented, so reimplementing it is fully doable. but rather large... and boring, and tedious.
Aug 22 22:46:50 <dgarbs> i would like some clocks that aren't deathly ugly for exhibition mode
Aug 22 22:47:05 <maik> javispedro: if there's one thing the internet is full of, it's people with time on their hands
Aug 22 22:47:13 <oilsworkn> LCARS clock is the only clock to use in exhibition
Aug 22 22:47:24 <dwc-> maik: oh, I thought that was "porn"
Aug 22 22:47:25 <dgarbs> ?
Aug 22 22:47:33 <fxspec06> hmm
Aug 22 22:47:37 <oilsworkn> its free in the catalog
Aug 22 22:47:40 <maik> dwc-: well there's only so much porn, you know?
Aug 22 22:47:45 <maik> free porn in the catalog!?!?!?
Aug 22 22:47:45 <oilsworkn> search it for LCARS
Aug 22 22:47:58 <fxspec06> i will as soon as the truck pulls up
Aug 22 22:48:06 <fxspec06> he's got an hour and 15 minutes
Aug 22 22:48:12 <fxspec06> before i freak out =)
Aug 22 22:48:26 <dawm|laptop> so, is the sdk2 gone?
Aug 22 22:48:34 <dawm|laptop> cause i dislike having to test everything in a tp emu
Aug 22 22:48:39 <funkatron> lcars bro
Aug 22 22:48:39 <maik> javispedro: so how did you get a mach0 binary to run?
Aug 22 22:48:41 <funkatron> lcars
Aug 22 22:48:57 <javispedro> maik: I wrote a loader, a linker, and a barebones objC runtime.
Aug 22 22:49:14 <onr> objC runtime?
Aug 22 22:49:51 <dawm|laptop> smells funny in here
Aug 22 22:49:55 <dawm|laptop> lots of ass talking
Aug 22 22:50:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^
Aug 22 22:50:09 <Bmyers> no that was me, shell fish for dinner..
Aug 22 22:50:14 <Bmyers> sorry.
Aug 22 22:50:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06: got a Mac?
Aug 22 22:51:12 <fxspec06> nope, no mac
Aug 22 22:51:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 22 22:51:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because I thought of an app idea
Aug 22 22:51:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that I think many would like
Aug 22 22:51:33 <dawm|laptop> shut it
Aug 22 22:51:34 <fxspec06> oh ya
Aug 22 22:51:41 <fxspec06> i hear ups wheels
Aug 22 22:51:42 <fxspec06> oh yea
Aug 22 22:51:43 <dawm|laptop> keep stuff to yourself man
Aug 22 22:51:43 <fxspec06> brb
Aug 22 22:51:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ?!
Aug 22 22:52:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dawm|laptop: who are you talking to?
Aug 22 22:52:01 <dawm|laptop> we're all competition remember
Aug 22 22:52:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 22 22:52:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hah
Aug 22 22:52:16 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 22 22:52:18 <dawm|laptop> we can help
Aug 22 22:52:22 <dawm|laptop> but giving is against the rules
Aug 22 22:52:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'll PM fxspec06 then
Aug 22 22:52:35 <dawm|laptop> he doesnt have a mac
Aug 22 22:52:36 <dawm|laptop> i do
Aug 22 22:52:36 <oilsworkn> funkatron: the LCARS exhibition clock is pretty good, i've been using it on my tp
Aug 22 22:52:48 <funkatron> oilsworkn: engage
Aug 22 22:53:18 <dawm|laptop> how is your social network going IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 22 22:53:24 <PuffTheMagic> 10296 root      25   5  273m 126m  39m R 90.5 13.7   1:37.59 WebAppMgr
Aug 22 22:53:26 <dawm|laptop> i think you were doing soemthing like that
Aug 22 22:53:28 <PuffTheMagic> WTF IS THIS SHIT!
Aug 22 22:53:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dawm|laptop: good memory!
Aug 22 22:53:37 <PuffTheMagic> 90 percent cpu
Aug 22 22:53:38 <dawm|laptop> PuffTheMagic: mojo emu?
Aug 22 22:53:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> we're building a new version with cleaner code
Aug 22 22:53:43 <PuffTheMagic> NO
Aug 22 22:53:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and a snazzy new theme
Aug 22 22:54:05 <dawm|laptop> nice
Aug 22 22:54:24 <dawm|laptop> fxspec06: needs to hire a designer imho..
Aug 22 22:54:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> can't remember, you a car guy?
Aug 22 22:54:28 <dawm|laptop> yes
Aug 22 22:54:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah good
Aug 22 22:54:38 <dawm|laptop> <- 06 STi
Aug 22 22:54:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> excellent
Aug 22 22:54:50 <dawm|laptop> <- 98 Neon 2.4T drag car
Aug 22 22:54:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> all stock?
Aug 22 22:55:00 <dawm|laptop> sti is stock cept for bushings and coilovers
Aug 22 22:55:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh yeah I remember our whole discussion now
Aug 22 22:55:04 <oilsworkn> <- pos honda
Aug 22 22:55:06 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 22 22:55:15 <nohorse> I'm rage-bug-fixing my app this week
Aug 22 22:55:18 <maik> <- saturn sl1
Aug 22 22:55:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you did stuff with a lot of Neon forums, yeah?
Aug 22 22:55:23 <fxspec06> awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwh yeah
Aug 22 22:55:29 <error454> PuffTheMagic: i posted a message in the dev forum on that
Aug 22 22:55:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06: check PM
Aug 22 22:55:36 * fxspec06 got his touchpadd =D
Aug 22 22:55:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> !
Aug 22 22:56:00 <dawm|laptop> yes
Aug 22 22:56:21 <dawm|laptop> i run a local one, own a domain on another one and some vanity email domains
Aug 22 22:56:36 <dawm|laptop> i honestly dont remember why we were talking in the first place
Aug 22 22:56:47 <dawm|laptop> but i remmeber talking
Aug 22 22:57:09 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/BrynaAtHP/status/105767967840665600
Aug 22 22:57:11 <twbbas> Important ^
Aug 22 22:57:23 <matbee_> Im getting so close to buying atouchpad, but each selection i change does a POST request back to the server
Aug 22 22:57:25 <matbee_> and that times out
Aug 22 22:57:31 <matbee_> :'(
Aug 22 22:57:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dawm: I think we were in a flamewar about some weird shit and then got friendly over cars
Aug 22 22:58:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 22 22:58:04 <matbee_> and now i get a server is too busy error
Aug 22 22:58:09 <dawm|laptop> oh yeah
Aug 22 22:58:14 <dawm|laptop> i was talking shit
Aug 22 22:58:17 <dawm|laptop> for no reason
Aug 22 22:58:23 <dawm|laptop> and you bossed up on me in a PM
Aug 22 22:58:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
Aug 22 22:58:35 <oilsworkn> jerk
Aug 22 22:58:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yep
Aug 22 22:58:37 <dawm|laptop> it was the old, shit there he is, stop talking about him
Aug 22 22:58:45 <dawm|laptop> when someone joins
Aug 22 22:58:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahahah
Aug 22 22:58:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh man
Aug 22 22:59:01 <maik> matbee_: where at?
Aug 22 22:59:03 <dawm|laptop> and you were like. what did i do to you?
Aug 22 22:59:08 <dawm|laptop> got a problem bro?
Aug 22 22:59:13 <dawm|laptop> jk ;p
Aug 22 22:59:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, pretty sure I still have the transcript too
Aug 22 22:59:25 <dawm|laptop> i dont recall bro being used
Aug 22 22:59:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, I don't use bro
Aug 22 22:59:31 <fxspec06> omg it's picture time!
Aug 22 22:59:35 * fxspec06 runs to grab camera
Aug 22 22:59:39 <dawm|laptop> fxspec06: stupid
Aug 22 22:59:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> twitpic dat shit, fxspec06
Aug 22 22:59:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 22 22:59:45 <maik> you and a few hundred thousand other people
Aug 22 22:59:46 <dawm|laptop> is it a tp?
Aug 22 22:59:50 <dawm|laptop> it has its own camera..
Aug 22 22:59:54 <dawm|laptop> go get a mirror
Aug 22 23:00:06 <maik> lol how do i take a picture with my touchpad?
Aug 22 23:00:08 <maik> where do i get facetime?
Aug 22 23:00:16 <dawm|laptop> and better yet
Aug 22 23:00:16 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 22 23:00:19 <maik> can i sync my itunes?
Aug 22 23:00:25 <dawm|laptop> take a picture of the front facing camera facing the mirror
Aug 22 23:00:30 <dawm|laptop> so we get the uber infinity effect
Aug 22 23:00:35 <oilsworkn> still waiting for apple to opensource facetime like they said long ago
Aug 22 23:00:40 <matbee_> damnit, I got two post requests in
Aug 22 23:00:41 <matbee_> so close :P
Aug 22 23:00:44 <maik> that would be cool
Aug 22 23:01:05 <maik> matbee_: where?
Aug 22 23:01:28 <matbee_> im sorry, but, the less requests the better haha
Aug 22 23:01:42 <maik> :P  well once you get yours ordered let me know, someone i know is wanting to nab one and he missed out
Aug 22 23:01:48 <matbee_> ive been dying
Aug 22 23:01:49 <maik> so i said i'd look around
Aug 22 23:01:53 <maik> hope you get one
Aug 22 23:01:56 <matbee_> my friend bought two and gave one to his grandfather
Aug 22 23:01:58 <matbee_> i was liek wtfbbq
Aug 22 23:01:59 <maik> site is probably getting hammered atm
Aug 22 23:02:01 <maik> haha
Aug 22 23:02:26 <matbee_> damn, my shopping cart died
Aug 22 23:02:26 <dawm|laptop> ok
Aug 22 23:02:31 <dawm|laptop> this is funny as hell
Aug 22 23:02:38 <dawm|laptop> this is someones dating profile information
Aug 22 23:02:39 <dawm|laptop> i do karate iam a green belt hope to be a black belt in 2 years i take cardio kicboxing to keep in shape i love to be out door my favorite season is winter because i like to ice skate and i like to ice fish i better much like any kind of music i will try anything once i like to have fun i like to laugh i like to stay active i going back to school for hair style something i always want to do famuly i s most importnat thing to because the
Aug 22 23:02:40 <dawm|laptop> alwys there for me
Aug 22 23:02:51 <matbee_> dawm, is that a girl?
Aug 22 23:02:55 <dawm|laptop> i just copy and pasted..
Aug 22 23:02:57 <dawm|laptop> yes a girl
Aug 22 23:02:59 <matbee_> wtf
Aug 22 23:03:03 <matbee_> i expect that from a douchebag bro
Aug 22 23:03:04 <dawm|laptop> one huge ass sentence
Aug 22 23:03:14 <Bmyers> favorite color?
Aug 22 23:03:52 <dawm|laptop> i find the spelling and the lack of punctuation funny
Aug 22 23:03:55 <dawm|laptop> not the content
Aug 22 23:04:15 <Shadyman> https://twitter.com/#!/caseorganic/statuses/105745210545405952
Aug 22 23:05:07 <Bmyers> thats funny
Aug 22 23:05:14 <dwc-> khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Aug 22 23:05:44 <dwc-> meh, I miss the back gesture
Aug 22 23:05:58 <fxspec06> https://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/105776896196878337
Aug 22 23:06:11 <fxspec06> sry* i really didn't mean to post that in here
Aug 22 23:06:22 <fxspec06> but that works anyways =D
Aug 22 23:06:25 <Shadyman> haha
Aug 22 23:06:41 <dawm|laptop> http://tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/2011/08/22/your-local-pizza-place-is-trying-to-tell-you-something/?xrs=synd_facebook
Aug 22 23:07:05 <dawm|laptop> fxspec06: do an infinity mirror shot with it
Aug 22 23:07:16 <dawm|laptop> front camera facing mirror, take picture
Aug 22 23:07:30 <dawm|laptop> picture in picture in picture in picture...
Aug 22 23:07:40 <fxspec06> loll
Aug 22 23:08:52 <Hendikins> Hrm, Amazon UK marked down the TouchPad. Pity they won't ship to AU.
Aug 22 23:09:08 <matbee_> :(
Aug 22 23:09:28 <Hendikins> And they ran out.
Aug 22 23:10:46 <dawm|laptop> hed
Aug 22 23:11:03 <dawm|laptop> Hendikins: ill sell you a almost new nintendo DS XL (brown)
Aug 22 23:11:19 <dawm|laptop> ive used it maybe 3 times, has "modcart" and 8gb microsd
Aug 22 23:11:28 <dawm|laptop> almost a touchpad
Aug 22 23:11:40 * haeffb gives up on reading the backlog in here
Aug 22 23:11:43 <kesne> rawr
Aug 22 23:11:48 <haeffb> anybody want to summarize?
Aug 22 23:11:51 <dawm|laptop> haeffb: nothing important
Aug 22 23:11:54 <dawm|laptop> noobs being noobs
Aug 22 23:12:00 <dawm|laptop> ios ported to webos
Aug 22 23:12:05 <dawm|laptop> droid ported to webos
Aug 22 23:12:11 <dawm|laptop> millions of apps available
Aug 22 23:12:24 <Bmyers> same old same old
Aug 22 23:12:25 <dawm|laptop> ported as in emulator app
Aug 22 23:12:39 <Bmyers> and bb shipped my touchpad
Aug 22 23:12:55 * haeffb not getting spike in app sales. :(
Aug 22 23:13:06 <Bmyers> huge spike in my free app
Aug 22 23:13:12 <dawm|laptop> haeffb: same, i just resubmitted an meta update since lots of options had changed
Aug 22 23:13:22 <dawm|laptop> i wasnt being listed as PRE compatible
Aug 22 23:13:29 <dawm|laptop> just vixi and tp
Aug 22 23:13:31 <Bmyers> adora has been quiet lately..
Aug 22 23:13:42 <rwatkins-mbp> lovely, its impossible to select "Pre3" on the app catalog submission process for a 3.0 app.
Aug 22 23:13:48 * haeffb needs to write more popular apps
Aug 22 23:13:50 <Bmyers> not so many cupcakes and kitten tweets
Aug 22 23:14:00 <dgathright> lame, B&N just canceled my two orders. :(
Aug 22 23:14:03 * dawm|laptop needs to not be lazy and finish apps in progress
Aug 22 23:14:16 <dawm|laptop> one paid and 2 free apps.. sooo wish i could charge for the one free one tho
Aug 22 23:14:31 <dawm|laptop> but i have a feeling id get sued
Aug 22 23:14:59 <haeffb> phone apps still outselling TP app
Aug 22 23:15:20 <directhex> haeffb, which app?
Aug 22 23:15:37 <haeffb> Done!, Noted!, Myles, pondNotes
Aug 22 23:16:05 <Bmyers> haeffb: whats with pondNotes? how did u come up with that one?
Aug 22 23:16:21 * haeffb assumes it's not people interested in productivity/business apps that are purchasing at fire sale prices...
Aug 22 23:16:23 <AHelper3> dammit, enyo
Aug 22 23:16:27 * AHelper3 breaks a table
Aug 22 23:16:32 <haeffb> Bmyers: http://smallpondapps.com
Aug 22 23:16:43 <haeffb> <-- bigfish@smallpondapps.com
Aug 22 23:16:59 <haeffb> well, that was the plan, anyway. Until HP killed it.
Aug 22 23:17:16 <Bmyers> funny.
Aug 22 23:17:26 <Bmyers> p'd in ur pond
Aug 22 23:17:32 <haeffb> really, I just liked the dragonfly and needed a name to match it.
Aug 22 23:17:40 <haeffb> dragonflyapps was already used
Aug 22 23:17:45 <Bmyers> it's real cute..
Aug 22 23:18:33 <Bmyers> gotta go mow
Aug 22 23:18:35 <Bmyers> c u l8r
Aug 22 23:19:23 <kesne> Damnit
Aug 22 23:19:24 * haeffb needs to call Sam's Club to see if they'll credit me the price difference...
Aug 22 23:19:32 * kesne hates rendering 3D models
Aug 22 23:19:52 <maik> man it would be nice to have a simple document/spreadsheet editor
Aug 22 23:19:59 <AHelper3> a scroller in a pane in a slidingpane = wtf
Aug 22 23:21:32 <dwc-> why can't I add skype contacts on the TP... it's only offering me to put them into the palm profile and google accounts
Aug 22 23:22:06 <dwc-> it had no problem using the existing skype contacts, after all
Aug 22 23:22:14 * haeffb may have lost the receipt from Sam's Club. :(
Aug 22 23:23:44 <Tibfib> oh haeffb 
Aug 22 23:24:38 <Tibfib> are there any patches for adding launcher tabs?
Aug 22 23:26:02 <haeffb> fortunately, Sam's Club can print you a receipt up to two years after purchase...
Aug 22 23:26:33 <haeffb> Tibfib: yes, there's a patch. But the new tabs are hard-coded.
Aug 22 23:26:38 <haeffb> I think
Aug 22 23:27:08 <Tibfib> hmmm I'll look harder
Aug 22 23:29:46 <HattCzech_work> Tibfib: or you could write a patch ;)
Aug 22 23:31:20 <nohorse> I have a message from the GBU concerning loaners: someone is working on getting the prices down to discount levels.  best to return in the timeframe until we hear more.
Aug 22 23:31:36 <fxspec06> https://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/105782575339012096
Aug 22 23:31:45 <fxspec06> this is incredible
Aug 22 23:31:57 <fxspec06> i haven't even turned it on yet lol
Aug 22 23:32:20 <klausa> I have pics of mine, but it's still few thousand miles away from me.
Aug 22 23:32:35 <directhex> fxspec06, if i get a touchpad, i will take pics of it with my pre3. and i will take pics of my pre3 with my touchpad :p
Aug 22 23:32:37 <Adora> fxspec06:  no, this is incredible!  http://twitter.com/#!/incrediblewebos
Aug 22 23:32:48 <akanster> fxspec06: looks like you polished it first )
Aug 22 23:32:52 <akanster> :)
Aug 22 23:33:13 <fxspec06> Adora: lol
Aug 22 23:33:22 <dawm|laptop> fxspec06: needs a webOS developer sticker on the back :P
Aug 22 23:34:06 * oil has still never gotten a webosinternals sticker :(
Aug 22 23:34:13 <dawm|laptop> :|
Aug 22 23:34:37 <klausa> GMaps says mine is 4000 miles away from me.
Aug 22 23:34:54 <Shadyman1> Dear HP Shopping Canada.. "Average wait time over the past half hour of 2 minutes? Really.
Aug 22 23:34:55 <rwatkins-mbp> Adora: any way to get an enyo app for Pre3 thru to the Beta catalog?
Aug 22 23:35:05 <Shadyman1> That must just be the calls that got answered, not the folks still waiting :p
Aug 22 23:35:41 <Adora> rwatkins-mbp:  requires same manual crap
Aug 22 23:36:03 <rwatkins-mbp> Adora: so .. email sent. can you do manual or point me at who to bother?
Aug 22 23:36:21 <Adora> I am the person to bother
Aug 22 23:36:31 <Adora> will get back to you tonight
Aug 22 23:36:35 <rwatkins-mbp> cool thx!
Aug 22 23:36:56 <Adora> I'm off for a while, haven't eaten today, which sounds like a marvelous idea onw
Aug 22 23:36:58 <Adora> * now
Aug 22 23:37:08 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 22 23:37:18 <rwatkins-mbp> gotta do it sometimes.
Aug 22 23:37:53 <dawm|laptop> fxspec06: http://www.st1ck3rs.com/webos/  :P
Aug 22 23:38:21 <plov> think the easiest thing anyone could ever have done was order from hp small business when ppl didnt know they were selling them there yet
Aug 22 23:38:27 <plov> but it was at full price
Aug 22 23:38:31 <plov> mine actually shipped
Aug 22 23:38:34 <rwatkins-mbp> dinner here too
Aug 22 23:41:29 <ramitos> i can't believe that i just bought a 16g touchpad in amazon uk :|
Aug 22 23:41:47 <dawm|laptop> are u not in th uk?
Aug 22 23:42:16 <kesne> What are these HP webOS Developer stickers?
Aug 22 23:42:26 <ramitos> i'm in Portugal
Aug 22 23:42:36 <ramitos> i'm since friday trying to buy one
Aug 22 23:42:45 <scasplte3> is there any app for TP that will let me use my finger as an input device? Like drawing basically
Aug 22 23:43:03 <dawm|laptop> kesne: vinyl decals
Aug 22 23:43:17 <gokr> ramitos: Try amazon.co.uk - I just managed to order two for 89 a piece. They delivered to Sweden fine.
Aug 22 23:43:45 <gokr> ramitos: Ah, that is what you just did. :)
Aug 22 23:43:51 <kesne> dawm|laptop: How many do you get for buying it?
Aug 22 23:44:02 <javispedro> amazon UK is already out of stock though
Aug 22 23:44:05 <ramitos> gokr :) 5 minutes later the price come back to 399
Aug 22 23:44:13 <dawm|laptop> its each, so 1
Aug 22 23:44:21 <gokr> Yeah, my order is on the back burner.
Aug 22 23:44:23 <dawm|laptop> but i could give you 2
Aug 22 23:44:25 <dawm|laptop> for 1
Aug 22 23:44:27 <dawm|laptop> buddy
Aug 22 23:44:44 <kesne> dawm|laptop: Is this your dealeo?
Aug 22 23:44:48 <gokr> And I do have a reservation at Comet tomorrow - unfortunately they seem to be playing a game called "oh no, price in store is still 429".
Aug 22 23:44:54 <dawm|laptop> yes st1ck3rs is mine
Aug 22 23:45:05 <kesne> dawm|laptop: Well then, I'm buying one right now!
Aug 22 23:45:26 <dawm|laptop> itll be in the mail tomorrow then
Aug 22 23:46:05 <kesne> w00t!
Aug 22 23:47:38 <fxspec06> i love my touchpad
Aug 22 23:47:50 <oil> lol
Aug 22 23:48:09 <maik> anyone come across good deals on cases or touchstones?
Aug 22 23:48:39 <Shadyman> maik: Still waiting on my 50% off ones from my EPP
Aug 22 23:48:48 <maik> ooh how'd that work?
Aug 22 23:49:11 <Shadyman> 50% off 32GB touchpad (down to $250 from 500), and 50% off accessories
Aug 22 23:49:34 <Shadyman> order status: order has been sent to the warehouse
Aug 22 23:49:45 <maik> oh
Aug 22 23:49:49 <Draecos> ramitos, thanks for the heads up
Aug 22 23:49:58 <Draecos> ordered
Aug 22 23:49:59 <kesne> I want a cheap touchpad touchstone
Aug 22 23:50:06 <Draecos> see if it actually gets processed
Aug 22 23:51:10 <webhostbudd> cmon cdw
Aug 22 23:51:42 <ramitos> Draecos, np
Aug 22 23:52:19 <Draecos> suspect it wont but its one of the very few etailers that is allowing you to purchase now
Aug 22 23:52:42 <Draecos> just hope it comes in the next weeks as Im off out the country in 2 weeks :/
Aug 22 23:55:48 <fxspec06> yay update available
Aug 22 23:56:03 <Draecos> nn all
Aug 22 23:57:46 <Meetoman> anybody got the $100 tablet?
Aug 22 23:57:48 <Meetoman> it's sold out =(
Aug 22 23:58:00 <PsWii60> well, obviously people got it then ;)
Aug 22 23:59:56 <Meetoman> HP =|  I've lost respect for them
Aug 23 00:00:44 <grandy> farts.com now has touchpads for $99
Aug 23 00:01:09 <dawm|laptop> kesne: sitting in the mailbox now
Aug 23 00:01:10 <dawm|laptop> wow
Aug 23 00:01:13 <dawm|laptop> craigslist..
Aug 23 00:01:18 <kesne> Love you
Aug 23 00:01:19 <dawm|laptop> so many want to buy listings for touchpads
Aug 23 00:01:24 <Shadyman> Meetoman: Because you couldn't get one? :x
Aug 23 00:01:25 <dawm|laptop> some nearing $300
Aug 23 00:01:56 <dawm|laptop> HP really should have done $99 out of the gate for atleast a week
Aug 23 00:02:01 <dawm|laptop> then back to normal pricing
Aug 23 00:02:51 <dawm|laptop> i threw in 2 extra bonus stickers :P
Aug 23 00:03:06 <dawm|laptop> aka free advertising :P
Aug 23 00:03:29 <Shadyman> dawm|laptop: Their resellers would KILL them.
Aug 23 00:03:51 <dawm|laptop> or a rebate
Aug 23 00:04:04 <kesne> Okay
Aug 23 00:04:09 <kesne> So, who wants to find me sound effects?
Aug 23 00:04:15 <dawm|laptop> hah good luck
Aug 23 00:04:39 <Shadyman> PEWPEWPEW
Aug 23 00:05:27 <kesne> Whoever helps me find them gets a free copy of Camera for TouchPad, a free copy of the app I'm working on, and a Villo Pro Dev Account
Aug 23 00:05:51 <Shadyman> wtf's a villo pro?
Aug 23 00:06:04 * Shadyman headtilts
Aug 23 00:06:23 <kesne> Shadyman: Do you know what Villo is?
Aug 23 00:06:36 <Shadyman> mmm... no? :x
Aug 23 00:06:44 <twbbas> kesne: Have you guys announced the details of Villo Pro yet?
Aug 23 00:06:45 <kesne> Shadyman: villo.net
Aug 23 00:06:45 <dawm|laptop> its like feint
Aug 23 00:06:51 <kesne> twbbas: Nope!
Aug 23 00:06:54 <dawm|laptop> or gamecenter
Aug 23 00:06:57 <kesne> Villo Pro Dev doesn't exist.
Aug 23 00:06:57 <Shadyman> a public bicycle rental program?
Aug 23 00:07:05 <twbbas> kesne: I may be interested if it's the right price
Aug 23 00:07:05 <kesne> Shadyman: ".net"
Aug 23 00:07:18 <kesne> twbbas: Like I said, it doesn't exist ;)
Aug 23 00:07:28 <twbbas> doesn't exist...yet?
Aug 23 00:07:31 <twbbas> or just doesn't exicst
Aug 23 00:07:38 <twbbas> s/exicst/exist
Aug 23 00:07:51 <kesne> Well, publically, it doesn't exist
Aug 23 00:08:10 <twbbas> gotcha
Aug 23 00:09:22 <Shadyman> kesne: " Villo for developers and users is currently free."
Aug 23 00:09:34 <kesne> Shadyman: Pro Dev is different
Aug 23 00:09:55 <Shadyman> indeed.
Aug 23 00:09:56 <dawm|laptop> Shadyman: key word is currently
Aug 23 00:09:59 <dawm|laptop> hence the pro eventually
Aug 23 00:10:04 <Shadyman> ah
Aug 23 00:10:15 <Shadyman> Is there some kind of fallback in case the service goes down? Some kind of P2P network?
Aug 23 00:10:33 <dawm|laptop> caching?
Aug 23 00:10:46 <dawm|laptop> i have an acct but i havent even messed with it
Aug 23 00:10:55 <Shadyman> i mean, like, if the service goes away
Aug 23 00:11:09 <Shadyman> all these apps will be tied into it for these features, and they'd become unusable
Aug 23 00:11:14 <kesne> Shadyman: You mean like hacked, or dies?
Aug 23 00:11:19 <Shadyman> Yes.
Aug 23 00:11:27 <twbbas> not an answer lol
Aug 23 00:11:36 <Shadyman> I'm thinking more 'dies'
Aug 23 00:12:19 <kesne> Shadyman: We have funding figured out for 2+ years, running off of what we currently have.
Aug 23 00:12:25 <kesne> Which is not a lot
Aug 23 00:12:27 <kesne> So we're fine
Aug 23 00:12:50 <fxspec06> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 23 00:13:08 <Shadyman> kesne: Fair enough.
Aug 23 00:13:20 <kesne> Shadyman: And if we're on the brink, we'll opensource everything.
Aug 23 00:13:30 <kesne> So you could host it yourself without interruption.
Aug 23 00:13:38 <Shadyman> Fair enough.
Aug 23 00:13:56 * Shadyman ponders the merits (and threats) of round-robin API hosting
Aug 23 00:14:13 <kesne> And Pro Dev is just special, 99% of users won't be affected by it's introduction
Aug 23 00:14:37 <Shadyman> So.. what kind of sound effects?
Aug 23 00:14:45 <dawm|laptop> pro dev gives you a backdoor into the device
Aug 23 00:14:51 <dawm|laptop> and lets you nab contacts and emails
Aug 23 00:15:01 <kesne> dawm|laptop: We get that already
Aug 23 00:18:23 <craiger> any live sites with the 99$ deals?
Aug 23 00:19:07 <dawm|laptop> plenty
Aug 23 00:19:10 <dawm|laptop> but out of stock
Aug 23 00:19:16 * craiger nods
Aug 23 00:22:00 <akanster> http://twitter.com/#!/webOSdev/status/105795777271562241
Aug 23 00:23:29 <dawm|laptop> nice
Aug 23 00:23:31 <|Jason8|>  We do expect the loaner program to be reinstated
Aug 23 00:23:33 <|Jason8|> interesting
Aug 23 00:23:55 <dtzWill> holy damn you can get partila refunds on dev devices?
Aug 23 00:23:57 <dawm|laptop> so those that were able to use the 50% coupon lucked out
Aug 23 00:24:13 <dawm|laptop> all my dev devices were free :|
Aug 23 00:25:52 <Shadyman> net! split!
Aug 23 00:25:55 <fxspec06> unable to sign into profile after doctor
Aug 23 00:29:01 <Shadyman> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17655
Aug 23 00:29:14 <Shadyman> "Updates to the Device Discount and Loaner Programs", from @webosdev
Aug 23 00:29:47 <fxspec06> firesale price
Aug 23 00:30:17 <fxspec06> i'm keeping this
Aug 23 00:30:24 <fxspec06> i'll probably buy it asap
Aug 23 00:30:44 * fxspec06 has a 32gb pad! for cheeeeeeeeeeeeap!
Aug 23 00:30:52 <dawm|laptop> lame
Aug 23 00:30:57 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 23 00:31:15 <Shadyman> fxspec06: Winning
Aug 23 00:31:19 <dawm|laptop> http://twitter.com/?lang=en&logged_out=1#!/download
Aug 23 00:31:21 <dawm|laptop> no webos love
Aug 23 00:31:58 <dawm|laptop> Tibfib: https://twitter.com/webosworld/status/105798088580530176
Aug 23 00:32:07 <fxspec06> Shadyman: No kidding! I signed up for the loaner program like, a couple days before the announcement
Aug 23 00:32:47 <oil> http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/105795095588118528
Aug 23 00:34:23 <akanster> as the loaned a 32GB?
Aug 23 00:34:53 <akanster> looks like it was!
Aug 23 00:36:38 * twbbas wants a loaner touchpad go
Aug 23 00:39:54 <Ryoken|Desktop> Is there a 'hosts' file or equilvent in webos, and is there any way to edit it.. Just got a TouchPad, and want to block most advertising sites the same way I do on my computers and iphone..
Aug 23 00:40:18 <dawm|laptop> get preware
Aug 23 00:40:25 <dawm|laptop> then get the adblock patch
Aug 23 00:45:30 <Ryoken|Desktop> Is there anyway to customize the list of what's blocked, incase I want to allow something, or specifically block something ?
Aug 23 00:45:51 <dawm|laptop> i think its a general safe list
Aug 23 00:46:02 <dawm|laptop> not as aggresive
Aug 23 00:46:45 <Ryoken|Desktop> It's a step in the right direction, thats for sure :)
Aug 23 00:47:47 <dawm|laptop> but you could always ssh or novaterm into the device and change the hosts file
Aug 23 00:47:49 <dawm|laptop> its linux
Aug 23 00:49:01 <Ryoken|Desktop> That's what I did with my iPhone.. but I wasn't sure about it, and was hoping there was an easier way lol
Aug 23 00:50:17 <fxspec06> okay, my touchpad is officially stuck on the terms and conditions screen.
Aug 23 00:50:39 <fxspec06> server error
Aug 23 00:50:40 * haeffb thinks my belt color is not so special anymore...
Aug 23 00:51:18 <dawm|laptop> HAHA
Aug 23 00:51:52 <Shadyman> fxspec06: How's your net connection?
Aug 23 00:52:31 <dawm|laptop> who ordered saturday night from HP.com ?
Aug 23 00:52:37 <dawm|laptop> did it ship yet?
Aug 23 00:52:46 <DaDirtyPanda> im sure you can edit in notepad
Aug 23 00:52:51 <fxspec06> it's fine lol
Aug 23 00:53:16 <dawm|laptop> Ryoken|Desktop: you should get preware regardless
Aug 23 00:53:18 <fxspec06> the HP servers are swamped right now
Aug 23 00:53:25 <dawm|laptop> you can also get internalz pro from preware
Aug 23 00:53:29 <Ryoken|Desktop> dawm|laptop -- already got it :)
Aug 23 00:53:29 <DaDirtyPanda> are they still selling pre2's?
Aug 23 00:53:30 <dawm|laptop> itll let you edit files
Aug 23 00:53:38 <Ryoken|Desktop> preware that is..
Aug 23 00:53:51 <dawm|laptop> you could edit the hosts file without sshing or novaterming in
Aug 23 00:54:20 <Ryoken|Desktop> Awesome :)
Aug 23 00:57:00 <fxspec06> i'm gonna reboot my router
Aug 23 00:57:10 <fxspec06> and my cable modem
Aug 23 00:57:17 <fxspec06> they don't seem to like new devices..
Aug 23 00:57:34 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 23 00:57:51 <dawm|laptop> i havent once rebooted my router or moden since i bought this house last year
Aug 23 00:58:02 <dawm|laptop> i love my buffalo
Aug 23 00:58:09 <dawm|laptop> wep and wpa
Aug 23 00:58:20 <dawm|laptop> im all kinda of compatible
Aug 23 00:58:48 <Shadyman> That's what SHE said?
Aug 23 00:59:05 <dawm|laptop> yup
Aug 23 00:59:11 <dawm|laptop> TWSS
Aug 23 01:02:48 <fxspec06> WOOO!
Aug 23 01:02:50 <fxspec06> it was my router
Aug 23 01:02:58 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 23 01:04:08 <fxspec06> except now that i'm past terms and conditions, i'm still seeing "we were unable to sign you in. please try again in a few minutes or contact HP for help resolving this problem."
Aug 23 01:04:25 <dawm|laptop> i think you should contact HP
Aug 23 01:04:43 <fxspec06> try #2 worked
Aug 23 01:04:44 <fxspec06> phew
Aug 23 01:04:48 <dawm|laptop> if you call them from a Pre or Pixi wait times are halved
Aug 23 01:05:12 <fxspec06> really? that's nifty
Aug 23 01:05:22 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 23 01:05:48 <Bmyers>   http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-32GB-Wi-Fi-9-7in-Black-/160636745487?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item2566b2370f#ht_500wt_1403
Aug 23 01:05:55 <Bmyers> that guy has to be pissed..
Aug 23 01:06:37 <DaDirtyPanda> that sucks
Aug 23 01:07:40 <fxspec06> oh man that sucks
Aug 23 01:08:40 <dwc-> and the seller might even get a partial refund on his purchase if original
Aug 23 01:09:49 <Bmyers> OH, that does suck..
Aug 23 01:09:54 <Bmyers> didnt think of that..
Aug 23 01:10:18 <Ryoken|Desktop> Ya I feel bad for the people bidding on ebay before this all happened..
Aug 23 01:11:23 <rwhitby> Tibfib: pong
Aug 23 01:11:55 <dawm|laptop> Ryoken|Desktop: a lot are bidding after this..
Aug 23 01:12:00 <dawm|laptop> check out craigslist
Aug 23 01:12:03 <dawm|laptop> tons of WTBs
Aug 23 01:12:19 <dawm|laptop> in my area (Detroit) some are willing to pay $300 for a 16gb
Aug 23 01:12:31 <Raio> lol
Aug 23 01:12:32 <Ryoken|Desktop> If there were more I would have got as many as my CC would cover lol
Aug 23 01:12:42 <dawm|laptop> hah
Aug 23 01:12:46 <Ryoken|Desktop> But alas, I think I got the last two in Atlantic Canada
Aug 23 01:12:47 <dawm|laptop> thankfully my cc hasnt arrived yet
Aug 23 01:12:54 <dawm|laptop> but if i have a chance to snag another, i will
Aug 23 01:13:09 <Ryoken|Desktop> Though I'm still on the hunt for 3 more, for family..
Aug 23 01:13:13 <Bmyers> anything touchpad is getting flagged on CL in my area
Aug 23 01:13:17 <fxspec06> my network is JAMMED lol
Aug 23 01:13:21 <Ryoken|Desktop> I don't hold out hope though lol
Aug 23 01:13:34 <dawm|laptop> that auction was at $100 on the 13th..
Aug 23 01:13:39 <dawm|laptop> hah
Aug 23 01:14:02 <dawm|laptop> and there was a battle near the end
Aug 23 01:14:47 <Bmyers> still sad.. the dude was all "I SNIPED A TOUCHPAD!!"
Aug 23 01:15:06 <Bmyers> then he got up from the computer and turned on the TV
Aug 23 01:15:33 <Bmyers> to watch HP say "We're pulling out and zipping up"
Aug 23 01:15:40 <Bmyers> DONE
Aug 23 01:16:31 <dawm|laptop> did the noobs go to bed?
Aug 23 01:16:55 <dwc-> never
Aug 23 01:17:03 <dwc-> Bmyers: ...
Aug 23 01:17:14 <kesne> dawm|laptop: No, I'm still here
Aug 23 01:17:14 <Bmyers> ? I'm not a noob
Aug 23 01:17:16 <dwc-> so, if I had an extra TP here, you'd flag it just because you didn't want me to sell it?
Aug 23 01:17:58 <Bmyers> no really, i just noticed that everything in my area on CL was getting flagged.
Aug 23 01:18:05 <Ryoken|Desktop> I'm a noob to the touchpad.. though hoping to fix that over the comming days..
Aug 23 01:18:08 <Bmyers> i haven't flagged anything. f
Aug 23 01:18:42 <dwc-> oh
Aug 23 01:18:48 <dwc-> nm, interpreted it the other way
Aug 23 01:18:52 <Bmyers> i sold my pre 2 for 250 on the 19th..
Aug 23 01:19:08 <dwc-> good timing? I just bought 4 for $200
Aug 23 01:19:13 <Bmyers> OH
Aug 23 01:19:16 <Bmyers> man...
Aug 23 01:19:20 <Bmyers> NIB?
Aug 23 01:19:24 <dwc-> and now I have to ship them/pass them out to my friends
Aug 23 01:19:30 <dwc-> nib?
Aug 23 01:19:35 <Bmyers> new
Aug 23 01:19:37 <Bmyers> in
Aug 23 01:19:38 <dwc-> yes
Aug 23 01:19:38 <Bmyers> box
Aug 23 01:19:50 <dawm|laptop> Bmyers:  they were $49 on hp.com
Aug 23 01:19:54 <dwc-> I didn't get any to resell to people I don't know
Aug 23 01:20:03 <Bmyers> yeah i missed that sale
Aug 23 01:20:04 <dwc-> they were $50 at the palm HQ store this morning
Aug 23 01:20:15 <Bmyers> missed that one too
Aug 23 01:20:17 <Bmyers> still there?
Aug 23 01:20:27 <Bmyers> be sweet to sell one for 250 and replace it for 50
Aug 23 01:20:28 <dwc-> I uhhh doubt it
Aug 23 01:20:41 <dwc-> but someone might know
Aug 23 01:20:43 <dwc-> (I don't)
Aug 23 01:20:52 <dwc-> there were limits on touchpad purchases
Aug 23 01:20:56 <dwc-> none on accessories or phones
Aug 23 01:21:07 <dawm|laptop> ugh
Aug 23 01:21:15 <dawm|laptop> with aname like that.. you can just tell
Aug 23 01:24:09 <Bmyers> i'd like a pre 3 really
Aug 23 01:24:16 <Bmyers> bigger is better
Aug 23 01:24:34 <rwhitby> Bmyers: my Pre 3 should arrive late next week
Aug 23 01:24:48 <Bmyers> u have access to those downunder?
Aug 23 01:25:38 <rwhitby> I am a global citizen
Aug 23 01:25:43 <Bmyers> i guess since u r getting one..
Aug 23 01:26:00 <rwhitby> the device has so far transited from China to Ireland to Finland and is on the way to Australia.
Aug 23 01:26:13 <Bmyers> ah well. i'll have to stick to my evo i guess.
Aug 23 01:26:29 <Bmyers> maybe evo 3d if i get bored
Aug 23 01:31:00 <onr> turkish gov is going to buy 15-million tablets. maybe Leotheker could convince them :P
Aug 23 01:37:23 <LarrySteeze> *sigh* for some reason, I can't connect to freenode via mirc on my tethered connection :-(
Aug 23 01:38:28 <LarrySteeze> anyone around?
Aug 23 01:38:39 <haeffb> Bmyers: get another pre2 and then frankenPre your OG pre
Aug 23 01:38:53 <LarrySteeze> you can still find pre2's?
Aug 23 01:38:54 <haeffb> then throw the Evo in the trash
Aug 23 01:39:13 <AndrewX192> Where can I get a touchpad still? (I ordered one already, but I'm in search of another)
Aug 23 01:39:55 <Bmyers> haeffb: i don't like the small screen. pre3 is a little larger isn't it? Still couldn't use it on sprint
Aug 23 01:39:58 <PuffTheMagic> damn HP changed their SMB site
Aug 23 01:40:01 <PuffTheMagic> the order status page is gone
Aug 23 01:40:09 <PuffTheMagic> cant check my status any more
Aug 23 01:40:28 <onr> lol. apple didnt sell ipads that much
Aug 23 01:40:36 <AndrewX192> Mine is still "processing"
Aug 23 01:40:42 <Shadyman> ^
Aug 23 01:40:42 <Bmyers> bb?
Aug 23 01:40:43 <haeffb> go to walmart and get some cheater glasses
Aug 23 01:40:55 <LarrySteeze> Anyone know how I'll be able to order the pre3 from one of the european stores?
Aug 23 01:41:24 <Bmyers> have you seen the folks who hang around walmart? buncha dorky kids asking "Do you have Touchpads here?".. I hate going to walmart..
Aug 23 01:41:34 <haeffb> lol
Aug 23 01:41:41 <LarrySteeze> lol
Aug 23 01:41:42 <Shadyman> lol
Aug 23 01:41:55 <AndrewX192> Bestbuy is out of stock
Aug 23 01:41:57 * haeffb thinking about buying HP iPAQ Glisten, AT&T - it's the only phone available from HP.com
Aug 23 01:42:11 <twbbas> tempting
Aug 23 01:42:17 <Bmyers> who need glasses now?
Aug 23 01:42:34 <Bmyers> s ^
Aug 23 01:43:06 <LarrySteeze> I had bought 4 of them...and bought 2 more from BJ's yesterday...
Aug 23 01:43:26 <LarrySteeze> but I'm thinking I'm going to need to return the two I bought at BJ's. :-(
Aug 23 01:43:36 <Bmyers> nice website haeffb , sorry HP left u hanging..
Aug 23 01:44:04 <LarrySteeze> when I called today to see if they could price match them yet (I paid full price originally), they told me there was a memo sent out saying that BJ's won't be lowering the price O.o
Aug 23 01:44:10 <haeffb> meh. it's nothing compared to what I went thru with the real job
Aug 23 01:44:39 <Bmyers> really ?
Aug 23 01:44:53 <AndrewX192> http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html
Aug 23 01:45:50 <haeffb> "Bolder Five-Year Direction"
Aug 23 01:45:53 <haeffb> his bold approach will be felt in all three of our organizational units (program delivery,
Aug 23 01:45:53 <haeffb> administration and operations) and will impact everyone. It will reduce our workforce by
Aug 23 01:45:53 <haeffb> approximately 1,200. Since March of 2010, we have already reduced our staff by 403 employees
Aug 23 01:45:53 <haeffb> and will need to reduce by another 793 to reach our goal. It will result in closing 135 facilities
Aug 23 01:45:53 <haeffb> and eliminate the need for about 740 pieces of equipment.
Aug 23 01:46:43 <haeffb> going from 6300 employees to 5100, 10 district offices to 7
Aug 23 01:46:54 * haeffb works in an office that is closing
Aug 23 01:46:58 <Shadyman> boo
Aug 23 01:47:11 <Bmyers> ouch
Aug 23 01:47:15 <LarrySteeze> Where are you located haeffb?
Aug 23 01:47:21 * haeffb is one of the lucky ones
Aug 23 01:47:25 <Bmyers> money is scarce all over
Aug 23 01:47:34 <Bmyers> keeping your job tho? or a job?
Aug 23 01:47:38 <haeffb> httphttp://www.modot.org/bolderfiveyeardirection/
Aug 23 01:47:50 <haeffb> oops, too many https
Aug 23 01:47:59 <haeffb> LarrySteeze: Missouri
Aug 23 01:48:00 <LarrySteeze> Our company just acquired another...and is going to cut about 130 jobs (a company that is currently, before the acquisition, 230 employees)
Aug 23 01:48:51 <LarrySteeze> because after the acquisition, it won't need those employees anymore...I'm one of the lucky ones as well, fortunately
Aug 23 01:49:06 * haeffb took a demotion to stay in my current locatoin
Aug 23 01:49:09 <haeffb> location
Aug 23 01:49:17 <LarrySteeze> Boston
Aug 23 01:49:21 <haeffb> but the new job is awesome
Aug 23 01:49:26 <Bmyers> well my boss is a total dick so, there ya go.
Aug 23 01:49:35 <haeffb> been there, done that.
Aug 23 01:49:39 <LarrySteeze> your new job is awesome?
Aug 23 01:49:46 <haeffb> yes, it is
Aug 23 01:49:57 <Bmyers> <--- self-employed
Aug 23 01:50:37 * haeffb covers eight counties, work with county commissions, cities, citizens to resolve transportation issues
Aug 23 01:50:44 <haeffb> "fix this pothole"
Aug 23 01:50:45 <LarrySteeze> what do you do
Aug 23 01:50:52 <LarrySteeze> ah
Aug 23 01:50:59 <LarrySteeze> DOT?
Aug 23 01:51:06 <haeffb> Area Engineer for MoDOT
Aug 23 01:51:40 <haeffb> ^H^H^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HH^H^H^
Aug 23 01:51:54 <haeffb> oops, now I'll get all kind of stalkers
Aug 23 01:52:00 <Bmyers> yup
Aug 23 01:52:01 <LarrySteeze> lol
Aug 23 01:52:07 <twbbas> haeffb: Already stalking
Aug 23 01:52:07 <LarrySteeze> well not from me...I'm not in MO
Aug 23 01:52:16 <Bmyers> i liked MO
Aug 23 01:52:17 <LarrySteeze> and I never am
Aug 23 01:52:24 * twbbas used to live in KS
Aug 23 01:52:27 <Bmyers> branson seemed nice
Aug 23 01:52:35 <haeffb> twbbas: sorry
Aug 23 01:52:42 <twbbas> haeffb: it was awesome
Aug 23 01:52:49 <Bmyers> yeah, sorry to hear that
Aug 23 01:52:53 <twbbas> my favorite place I've lived so far
Aug 23 01:53:01 <haeffb> midwest is cool
Aug 23 01:53:06 <twbbas> Everyone thinks KS is all farm land but eastern kansas is built up
Aug 23 01:53:11 <twbbas> I lived in a nice suburb
Aug 23 01:53:11 <haeffb> except for the weather
Aug 23 01:53:15 <twbbas> well, yeah it's hot
Aug 23 01:53:22 <haeffb> or cold
Aug 23 01:53:27 <twbbas> lol not cold
Aug 23 01:53:31 * twbbas also lived in MN
Aug 23 01:53:33 <LarrySteeze> I used to live in mpls
Aug 23 01:53:37 <haeffb> or cool
Aug 23 01:53:37 <LarrySteeze> i loved it actually
Aug 23 01:53:40 <Bmyers> minnie no place
Aug 23 01:53:50 <twbbas> LarrySteeze: I used to live in Lakeville
Aug 23 01:54:00 <twbbas> Nice town
Aug 23 01:54:24 <fxspec06> i've dissappeared
Aug 23 01:54:30 <fxspec06> into touchpad-land
Aug 23 01:54:33 <fxspec06> i'm never coming back
Aug 23 01:54:35 <Bmyers> so whats ur plan with tp devel now haeffb  ?
Aug 23 01:54:36 <twbbas> fxspec06: Did you see you were mentioned on this week's webOS weekly?
Aug 23 01:54:45 <fxspec06_> hmm again?
Aug 23 01:54:47 <twbbas> Ya
Aug 23 01:54:49 <fxspec06_> link
Aug 23 01:54:50 <fxspec06_> lol
Aug 23 01:54:55 <twbbas> www.precentral.net ;)
Aug 23 01:55:07 <fxspec06_> again? another precentral article
Aug 23 01:55:14 <twbbas> you're famous
Aug 23 01:55:22 <twbbas> girls are gonna be all over you
Aug 23 01:55:25 <fxspec06_> yippee!
Aug 23 01:55:27 <fxspec06_> i hope so
Aug 23 01:55:28 <twbbas> gonna have to use the touchpad to keep them away
Aug 23 01:55:29 <fxspec06_> it's about time
Aug 23 01:55:48 <fxspec06_> touchpad deflector shield, on!
Aug 23 01:55:58 <twbbas> just use an app
Aug 23 01:56:03 <haeffb> Bmyers: kind of wait and see
Aug 23 01:56:11 <twbbas> use the sports app. That'll keep them away
Aug 23 01:56:17 <LarrySteeze> I'm a bit sad there are people porting android to the touchpad
Aug 23 01:56:31 <haeffb> "This whole "TouchPad thing" is going to show HP that they need to sell them at a loss and throw android on them but make their money back on apps"
Aug 23 01:56:35 <twbbas> LarrySteeze: I have mixed feelings about it
Aug 23 01:57:05 <twbbas> how would they make money on apps with Android on it?
Aug 23 01:57:08 <LarrySteeze> Eh? how can you throw android on it but make the money back on apps?
Aug 23 01:57:08 <twbbas> doesn't make sense
Aug 23 01:57:23 <haeffb> that's the caliber of post in #touchpad
Aug 23 01:57:38 <Txyru> Yes, its a really good business lesson, people will buy something when its almost free.
Aug 23 01:57:42 <Txyru> :P
Aug 23 01:57:46 <twbbas> I already had android running in my TP browser today: https://www.box.net/shared/u89smclpaygl9jix6c85
Aug 23 01:58:21 * haeffb was able to get webOS running on my TouchPad today. It was awesome!
Aug 23 01:58:47 <LarrySteeze> the only reason to throw android on it is to get the apps for it...
Aug 23 01:59:09 <haeffb> "Pandora app sucks its scaled. lol. It works though atleast."
Aug 23 01:59:18 <haeffb> uh. It's a radio app.
Aug 23 01:59:21 <ramitos> LarrySteeze Android dont have very Honeycomb apps
Aug 23 01:59:31 <haeffb> wtf would you need it to run full screen?
Aug 23 01:59:42 <dawm|laptop> haeffb: how did you do it?
Aug 23 01:59:51 <dawm|laptop> get webOS running
Aug 23 02:00:02 <haeffb> I rooted it
Aug 23 02:00:05 <dawm|laptop> heh engadget article on the Opal
Aug 23 02:00:24 <Shadyman1> wireless phone vs wifi... Fight!
Aug 23 02:00:36 <dawm|laptop> http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/22/opal-the-7-inch-hp-tablet-that-almost-was/
Aug 23 02:00:52 <LarrySteeze> *shrug* I have a couple android tablets for dev testing...I just don't like android, too clunky
Aug 23 02:01:03 <LarrySteeze> that's why I don't understand why people want to put it on the TP
Aug 23 02:01:05 <haeffb> ok, this is funny...
Aug 23 02:01:08 <haeffb> "bah.. WebOS work is done as a 'team' because before yesterday, both WebOS users knew each other :)"
Aug 23 02:01:21 <LarrySteeze> -_-
Aug 23 02:01:22 <Shadyman1> haha
Aug 23 02:01:26 <Shadyman1> trollface
Aug 23 02:01:40 <Tibfib> ah it's good to finally have a touchpad
Aug 23 02:01:41 <dawm|laptop> LarrySteeze: its not that they want it on a touchpad
Aug 23 02:01:51 <dawm|laptop> its that they want it on a cheap $99 tablet that isnt cheap
Aug 23 02:02:01 <LarrySteeze> I understand that
Aug 23 02:02:14 <dawm|laptop> the $99 droid tablets from china are pure ass
Aug 23 02:02:19 <LarrySteeze> but it still makes me mad...I almost feel like it's ignorance
Aug 23 02:02:23 <fxspec06> okay as i was saying before i left, touchpad deflector shield: ON
Aug 23 02:03:04 <Shadyman1> hehe
Aug 23 02:03:12 <dawm|laptop> like ignorance?
Aug 23 02:03:15 <dawm|laptop> its IS ignorance
Aug 23 02:03:21 <fxspec06> twbbas: where's the article?
Aug 23 02:03:23 <dawm|laptop> i cannot stand to use a droid phone
Aug 23 02:03:23 <fxspec06> link plz
Aug 23 02:03:31 <dawm|laptop> hidden options is stupid
Aug 23 02:03:45 <dawm|laptop> you honestly dont know where to tap and hold to find that menu
Aug 23 02:03:48 <LarrySteeze> but then again, the Palm Pre (minus) is the only device I've ever "camped" in front of a store for
Aug 23 02:04:10 <dawm|laptop> i happend to goto bestbuy with a broke HTC Mogul the day they had the price mistake
Aug 23 02:04:13 <dawm|laptop> it was destiny
Aug 23 02:04:19 <Shadyman1> hehe
Aug 23 02:04:26 <dawm|laptop> i wanted it, but i didnt want to pay that much for a phone at that time
Aug 23 02:04:28 <Shadyman1> I'd camp for a pre3
Aug 23 02:04:29 <dawm|laptop> so $99 was a steal
Aug 23 02:04:48 <dawm|laptop> then when i found out how easy apps were to make, i was set
Aug 23 02:04:57 <Shadyman1> yeah
Aug 23 02:05:00 <twbbas> fxspec06: http://tinyurl.com/3n95drd
Aug 23 02:05:01 <dawm|laptop> hardest part was thinking of what to make
Aug 23 02:05:18 <jrabbit> dawm|laptop: rss feed reader!
Aug 23 02:05:23 <haeffb> still hardest part
Aug 23 02:05:28 <jrabbit> dawm|laptop: gpg mail
Aug 23 02:05:33 <haeffb> jrabbit: too late
Aug 23 02:05:43 <jrabbit> heh
Aug 23 02:05:54 <jrabbit> haeffb: it could suck! :p
Aug 23 02:05:59 <dawm|laptop> i made swapndrop cause i wanted it
Aug 23 02:06:00 <LarrySteeze> I want to buy a pre3
Aug 23 02:06:04 <fxspec06> thanks
Aug 23 02:06:09 <dawm|laptop> mycokerewards was a forum request i just happened to stumble upon
Aug 23 02:06:16 <haeffb> doesn't matter if it sucks, so long as it has an awesome name
Aug 23 02:06:26 <dawm|laptop> and ailium stalled due to hardware
Aug 23 02:06:28 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: so where can I get my hands on TIDE? testing feeds?
Aug 23 02:06:31 <haeffb> Tibfib: ^^^^^^^
Aug 23 02:06:42 <haeffb> Tibfib: yes
Aug 23 02:06:47 <dawm|laptop> haeffb: hah i had the best name
Aug 23 02:06:49 <dawm|laptop> PreJeweled
Aug 23 02:06:55 <dawm|laptop> but had to can that when the app cat came along
Aug 23 02:07:01 <haeffb> stoopid app cat
Aug 23 02:07:16 <twbbas> ya app cat ruined everything!
Aug 23 02:07:38 <dawm|laptop> I WISH
Aug 23 02:07:46 <dawm|laptop> i had mycokerewards for the hot apps contest
Aug 23 02:07:51 <dawm|laptop> the idea came way after
Aug 23 02:08:00 <dawm|laptop> so woulda won some more $
Aug 23 02:08:04 * haeffb made it into the top 50
Aug 23 02:08:05 <LarrySteeze> prejeweled...is that still around?
Aug 23 02:08:11 <dawm|laptop> its swap & drop now
Aug 23 02:08:16 <LarrySteeze> ah
Aug 23 02:08:18 <dawm|laptop> prejeweled is still on precentral i think
Aug 23 02:08:24 <LarrySteeze> out of homebrew i'm assuming?
Aug 23 02:08:31 <dawm|laptop> long long long time
Aug 23 02:08:42 <dawm|laptop> infact i think i got a $1 donation from prejeweled last month
Aug 23 02:08:44 <haeffb> back before HP supported webOS
Aug 23 02:08:51 <haeffb> s/before/when
Aug 23 02:09:02 <dawm|laptop> way before the hotapps contest too
Aug 23 02:09:04 <haeffb> dawm|laptop: that is awesome
Aug 23 02:09:19 * haeffb hasn't gotten a donation for Agenda in ages
Aug 23 02:09:31 <haeffb> of course, I took down the donation link when Palm broke it
Aug 23 02:09:31 <dawm|laptop> i never put a donation button in mycokerewards
Aug 23 02:09:37 <dawm|laptop> and i totally should have
Aug 23 02:09:43 <dawm|laptop> has like 30k downloads
Aug 23 02:09:43 <haeffb> yes!
Aug 23 02:09:43 <LarrySteeze> I feel sad I didn't know that...I'm sorry haeffb.
Aug 23 02:10:04 <haeffb> it still works on 1.4.x
Aug 23 02:10:07 <haeffb> just not 2.x
Aug 23 02:10:12 <haeffb> er...or...3.x
Aug 23 02:10:12 <dawm|laptop> why not?
Aug 23 02:10:26 <Tibfib> haeffb: yes to testing feeds?
Aug 23 02:10:27 <dawm|laptop> 2.x didnt like comments in json
Aug 23 02:10:32 <dawm|laptop> ie sources.json
Aug 23 02:10:41 <haeffb> undocumented API to retrieve calendar data, Palm made it stop working
Aug 23 02:10:46 <dawm|laptop> oh gotcha
Aug 23 02:10:46 <haeffb> Tibfib: yes
Aug 23 02:10:49 <LarrySteeze> well then
Aug 23 02:11:13 <LarrySteeze> being that I'm at cape cod on vacation with the family...and I'm tethered just to be in here...I'm thinking I should head out
Aug 23 02:11:13 <Tibfib> mmkay
Aug 23 02:11:16 <haeffb> they sorta gave an agenda view in 2.x (exhibition)
Aug 23 02:11:25 <esser> LarrySteeze: go have a vacation
Aug 23 02:11:27 <LarrySteeze> I was only supposed to be on for a minute to get some work done
Aug 23 02:11:36 <LarrySteeze> have a good one all!
Aug 23 02:11:41 * esser waves
Aug 23 02:11:58 <haeffb> 20:33 to 21:08
Aug 23 02:12:27 * haeffb hates when I glance at IRC "for a minute" and end up staying for hours
Aug 23 02:12:40 * Shadyman1 rocks out to his streaming (alpha-version) last.fm webos app
Aug 23 02:14:51 <twbbas> http://www.asktp.com/upload/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=314#.TlMHMpXOs_c.twitter
Aug 23 02:14:54 <twbbas> $80 TP
Aug 23 02:15:32 <Tibfib> I miss the back gesture.
Aug 23 02:17:45 <haeffb> you'll get over it
Aug 23 02:17:52 <haeffb> hey, check this out.
Aug 23 02:17:59 <haeffb> play on the TP for a half hour.
Aug 23 02:18:03 <haeffb> Then pick up your Pre2.
Aug 23 02:18:10 <haeffb> it looks f'in TINY!!!!!
Aug 23 02:18:13 <dawm|laptop> ok
Aug 23 02:18:14 <dawm|laptop> soo
Aug 23 02:18:15 <twbbas> hahaha
Aug 23 02:18:27 <dawm|laptop> i just had torchwood on, never seen it before, wasnt really watching or listening to it either
Aug 23 02:18:34 <dawm|laptop> i looked up.. 2 naked guys going at it..
Aug 23 02:18:39 <dawm|laptop> i couldnt find the remote fast enough
Aug 23 02:18:41 <dawm|laptop> wtf starz
Aug 23 02:18:52 <haeffb> on torchwood?
Aug 23 02:18:56 <twbbas> hahaha
Aug 23 02:19:08 <dawm|laptop> yep.. not watching that show ever
Aug 23 02:19:24 * haeffb been watching on amazon streaming
Aug 23 02:19:30 <haeffb> but not the starz versoin
Aug 23 02:19:33 <dawm|laptop> not to offend anyone or anything but
Aug 23 02:19:55 <dawm|laptop> i think its a new episode of torchwood:miracle day or something, i recall them spamming commercials all day for it
Aug 23 02:20:13 <dawm|laptop> but i dont want to see that, i should have never looked up
Aug 23 02:20:31 <haeffb> on the other hand, Game of Thrones...
Aug 23 02:21:09 <dawm|laptop> yep
Aug 23 02:21:14 <dawm|laptop> fantasy factory marathon
Aug 23 02:21:20 <dawm|laptop> way better
Aug 23 02:23:47 <Tibfib> autocorrect is pretty dang good
Aug 23 02:24:04 <haeffb> on 3.0.2
Aug 23 02:24:13 <haeffb> kinda sucky on 3.0.0
Aug 23 02:24:26 <haeffb> as noted in EVERY REVIEW OF THE TOUCHPAD
Aug 23 02:25:52 <haeffb> it's nice to sometimes get good reviews: "At the end of the day, I despise Evernote for webOS. I hate that there's frequently a five to ten second 'busy icon' swirling as Evernote mandatorily syncs with the cloud. Noted! by Tiger Country Software is a much better app that has a lot of the same basic functionality, including 'syncing with the cloud' but not having to ... And what's most important: it's always there immediately, so your cool idea doesn't have t
Aug 23 02:25:52 <haeffb> ime to go bye-bye."
Aug 23 02:26:18 <haeffb> 5 stars, my good fellow
Aug 23 02:26:44 <Bmyers> good 4 u haeffb
Aug 23 02:27:09 <haeffb> Bmyers: got your TP yet?
Aug 23 02:27:17 <Bmyers> its in ohio
Aug 23 02:27:22 <Bmyers> wednesday
Aug 23 02:27:29 <haeffb> cool
Aug 23 02:27:31 <Bmyers> should be here
Aug 23 02:27:49 <haeffb> fedex and ups are happy with HP... :)
Aug 23 02:27:55 <Bmyers> need a good note taking app for it
Aug 23 02:28:21 <Bmyers> tomorrow, fishing hopefully.. wed, TP
Aug 23 02:28:23 <haeffb> I hear ianbeck's TapNote is pretty nice
Aug 23 02:28:34 <Bmyers> i was gonna check that out..
Aug 23 02:28:50 <Tibfib> nice job haeffb 
Aug 23 02:29:00 <haeffb> http://smallpondapps.com/wp-content/uploads/ipk/
Aug 23 02:29:29 <Bmyers> heh, giving up?
Aug 23 02:29:50 <haeffb> no, I've been giving it away on Precentral since the beginning
Aug 23 02:29:56 <rwatkins-mpb> ya, a well written review is nice.
Aug 23 02:30:00 <haeffb> only charge if you get it from the catalog
Aug 23 02:30:23 <Bmyers> interesting approach. how did that work out for ya?
Aug 23 02:30:34 <haeffb> ok,
Aug 23 02:30:37 <rwatkins-mpb> so .. Pre3 version beta release read - http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/beta.html
Aug 23 02:30:40 <rwatkins-mpb> ready
Aug 23 02:30:50 <haeffb> many people who download from Preware also buy from the catalog
Aug 23 02:30:56 <Tibfib> hah I still have yet to use nomnomnom
Aug 23 02:31:02 <Tibfib> that's sad.
Aug 23 02:31:09 <haeffb> it's kind of a "try before you buy" for smarter people... :)
Aug 23 02:31:20 <twbbas> Tibfib: That's like a chef not eating his own food. Suspicious...
Aug 23 02:31:24 <Bmyers> so, not alot of purchases?
Aug 23 02:31:29 <rwatkins-mpb> haeffb: heh, ya i think its a nice approach.
Aug 23 02:31:43 <dawm|laptop> fruit ninja on facebook
Aug 23 02:31:43 <dawm|laptop> woot
Aug 23 02:31:45 <Tibfib> gosh ALL I want is my pre2 to forward sms to my touchpad.
Aug 23 02:31:45 <rwatkins-mpb> tempted to just buy nomnomnom so i dont have to compile and build each time.  :)
Aug 23 02:32:14 <Bmyers> going to bed soon.
Aug 23 02:32:20 <rwatkins-mpb> waiting on my app catalog $50 coupon then going on a buying spree.
Aug 23 02:32:24 <Tibfib> twbbas: well I've been using it for a loooongg time. I'm more interested in what I haven't been able to try out
Aug 23 02:32:29 <Bmyers> any netflix recommendations ?
Aug 23 02:32:41 <twbbas> Numb3rs
Aug 23 02:32:42 <dawm|laptop> RUBBER
Aug 23 02:32:44 <twbbas> 24
Aug 23 02:32:46 <dawm|laptop> sriously
Aug 23 02:32:50 <twbbas> Exam
Aug 23 02:32:51 <dawm|laptop> watch the movie called RUBBER
Aug 23 02:32:59 <twbbas> Exam is a good mind movie
Aug 23 02:33:07 <dawm|laptop> im not gonna lie.. it seems stupid, but its actually really good
Aug 23 02:33:14 <dawm|laptop> killer car tire
Aug 23 02:33:22 <twbbas> Stuck is bad
Aug 23 02:33:35 <twbbas> Some homeless guy gets hit by a car and gets stuck in the windshield
Aug 23 02:33:39 <Bmyers> it does
Aug 23 02:33:52 <dawm|laptop> RUBBER is about a tire that kills people and things
Aug 23 02:33:55 * haeffb has 2691 Done users, 1510 Done beta users
Aug 23 02:34:00 <dawm|laptop> makes zero sense, but its actually entertaining
Aug 23 02:34:26 <dawm|laptop> if you dont watch it, atleast put it in your instant queue
Aug 23 02:34:30 <dawm|laptop> its totally worth a watch
Aug 23 02:34:38 <haeffb> so, nearly 2:1 catalog vs preware
Aug 23 02:34:39 <Bmyers> q'n it up
Aug 23 02:34:51 <Bmyers> haeffb:  how were the pondnote sales?
Aug 23 02:35:01 <haeffb> and there's at least some overlap, preware users who purchased the cat version
Aug 23 02:35:07 <haeffb> dismal
Aug 23 02:35:14 <dawm|laptop> bmyers : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G5pyFhmAqE
Aug 23 02:35:28 <dawm|laptop> genre: WTF?
Aug 23 02:35:46 <Bmyers> andy gibb?
Aug 23 02:36:03 <haeffb> 195 total downloads - thru two versions. Say 150 users?
Aug 23 02:36:06 <Bmyers> the guy from xanadu?
Aug 23 02:36:30 <Bmyers> haeffb:  well maybe it'll pick up for a while
Aug 23 02:36:37 <haeffb> whatever
Aug 23 02:37:01 * haeffb is sticking to writing things I need. If someone else wants it, great... 
Aug 23 02:37:10 <haeffb> if not, at least I have it
Aug 23 02:37:11 <dawm|laptop> wow i actually found the good trailer too
Aug 23 02:37:17 <dawm|laptop> theres a few others that suck
Aug 23 02:37:24 <dawm|laptop> this one nails it
Aug 23 02:37:58 <haeffb> dawm|laptop: I saw that in Netflix, but the premise seemed...sketchy
Aug 23 02:38:05 <dawm|laptop> apple offering refurb ipad1's for $299..
Aug 23 02:38:13 <dawm|laptop> haeffb: its stupid but not a waste of time
Aug 23 02:38:15 <haeffb> but I'll check it out based on your rec
Aug 23 02:38:36 <Bmyers> good enough. thx dawm.. c u guys l8r
Aug 23 02:40:38 <dawm> yup
Aug 23 02:40:58 <haeffb> whoa. how many dawm's are there?
Aug 23 02:41:09 <dawm> one here in the office (desktop)
Aug 23 02:41:17 <dawm> and one in the living room (laptop)
Aug 23 02:41:35 <dawm> i cant play fruitninjafrenzy with a laptop touchpad.. i need a mouse
Aug 23 02:43:05 <PatrickC_TP> its: "uiRevision": "2",
Aug 23 02:43:08 <PatrickC_TP> correct?
Aug 23 02:43:10 <dawm> scored 100+ higher on desktop :P
Aug 23 02:43:12 <haeffb> 2
Aug 23 02:43:16 <haeffb> not "2"
Aug 23 02:43:21 <PatrickC_TP> haeffb: so no ""?
Aug 23 02:43:23 <PatrickC_TP> ok
Aug 23 02:43:24 <PatrickC_TP> thx
Aug 23 02:43:35 <haeffb> but you can't submit to the catalog that way
Aug 23 02:43:44 <PatrickC_TP> not trying to
Aug 23 02:44:58 <haeffb> dammit dawm now two dudes on GOT.
Aug 23 02:45:17 <PatrickC_TP> on what?
Aug 23 02:45:21 <haeffb> "not that theres anything wrong with that"
Aug 23 02:45:29 * PatrickC_TP likes the XS kb :-)
Aug 23 02:48:39 <donnyjoe> <3
Aug 23 02:54:32 <LarrySteeze> hmmm
Aug 23 02:54:55 <PatrickC_TP> hey LarrySteeze
Aug 23 02:55:17 <LarrySteeze> way too small to use the webclient lol
Aug 23 02:55:25 <rwatkins-mpb> wow.  400 downloads yesterday, already *100* today, and its like only a couple hrs in ..
Aug 23 02:55:34 <PatrickC_TP> wow
Aug 23 02:55:40 <PatrickC_TP> rwatkins-mpb: on what?
Aug 23 02:55:47 <PatrickC_TP> LarrySteeze: what is?
Aug 23 02:55:48 <rwatkins-mpb> Paper Mache
Aug 23 02:56:36 <PatrickC_TP> wow
Aug 23 02:57:00 <Shadyman1> Ffffffuu--
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