**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011 Aug 24 03:00:06 "but the flash game has to be located locally" Aug 24 03:00:26 @kesne if you are a developer could you just make me the basic thing so all i have to do is import it. Ill give you a promo code for my game if you do. its a tron lightcycle game the first in the app market place Aug 24 03:00:45 starsoccer9: sure Aug 24 03:00:50 cool thanks Aug 24 03:00:54 But only because I'm procrastinating Aug 24 03:01:01 lol Aug 24 03:01:10 procrastinating on what Aug 24 03:01:11 kense wouldn't procrastinate, he'd just do it ;) Aug 24 03:01:21 kense is awesome that way Aug 24 03:01:40 and also do u have a skype or email instead of chatting hear Aug 24 03:01:43 here Aug 24 03:01:56 and a credit card number? Aug 24 03:02:01 lol Aug 24 03:02:12 no i just would rather not say my email here Aug 24 03:02:13 I AM NOT KENSE Aug 24 03:02:15 DAMNIT Aug 24 03:02:19 i wish tivo supported youtube playlists Aug 24 03:02:27 there Aug 24 03:02:28 i could be on the couch watchign this shit on the big screen Aug 24 03:02:31 I give up Aug 24 03:02:37 KENSE!~ Aug 24 03:02:55 @ keenstudios so can you make the game Aug 24 03:03:09 yeah, I'll give you the framework code Aug 24 03:03:15 "if you port my game to webOS, I'll give you a free copy." Aug 24 03:03:21 lol Aug 24 03:03:23 awesome deal Aug 24 03:03:30 lol Aug 24 03:03:33 haha Aug 24 03:03:45 Hey guyz, it's like 2 minutes of work Aug 24 03:03:57 I'm sorry that I'm not a total dick like you guys. Aug 24 03:04:02 <3 Aug 24 03:04:05 Hugs and kisses Aug 24 03:04:11 someday, kesne, someday Aug 24 03:04:24 Who's kesne Aug 24 03:04:26 starsoccer9: BTW, keenstudios is a top developer, we just like to have fun. Aug 24 03:04:40 the orignal "boy genius" Aug 24 03:04:45 Haha Aug 24 03:04:49 haeffb: no, that's kense Aug 24 03:04:58 one or the other. I get them confused. Aug 24 03:05:23 :( Aug 24 03:05:38 I reckon kense knows how oil feels now Aug 24 03:05:45 lol Aug 24 03:06:23 so, #touchdroid talking about how Qualcomm techs put Android on some TouchPads, and then somehow, HP accidentally sent them to BestBuy. Aug 24 03:06:36 lol Aug 24 03:06:50 thats not good. Aug 24 03:06:59 so, apparently, all they have to do is locate these mystical Android-running Touchpads, and everything is golden Aug 24 03:07:19 It'll be interesting when the Qualcomm lawyers get involved. Those guys are better than Apple and HP combined. Aug 24 03:07:32 except that AndroidCentral has outbid everyone for them. Aug 24 03:07:40 to get an "exclusive" story Aug 24 03:07:54 * rwhitby has gizmodo deja vu Aug 24 03:08:07 which, by the way, might prevent them from getting Android running on the TouchPad. Aug 24 03:08:45 ah, I just remembered we're logging that channel Aug 24 03:08:46 I'm ok with that. Aug 24 03:09:55 * haeffb wonders why none of these Android-running TouchPads surfaced before this weekend... Aug 24 03:10:15 beeecause none were sold? Aug 24 03:10:31 ^ Aug 24 03:10:38 heh Aug 24 03:10:59 oh yeah. Forgot about that. Aug 24 03:11:08 and you could find android tablets for cheaper. Aug 24 03:11:24 I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't want Android on his touchpad.. Or, well, anywhere else lol Aug 24 03:11:45 * halfhalo is behind the tree in this pic: http://www.precentral.net/coming-soon-touchpad-fire-sale-part-2 Aug 24 03:13:08 grats? Aug 24 03:13:42 hey Aug 24 03:13:43 i really want to try meego on my tp Aug 24 03:13:53 anyone install themes with webos installer? Aug 24 03:14:06 " all you have to do is get lucky at best buy and pick one out that has it preinstalled" Aug 24 03:14:26 why would you put meego on the TP? Aug 24 03:14:37 and further, why would you talk about it in a webOS channel Aug 24 03:15:29 meego is like webos's brother who always 1ups him Aug 24 03:15:35 and meego is very cool Aug 24 03:15:41 have u ever played with it Aug 24 03:15:42 "i don't have 100% confirmation but it looks like what happened is HP sent Qualcomm some demo units" Aug 24 03:15:47 excpet without the significant numbers of users Aug 24 03:16:03 starsoccer9: I used maemo in the pre-meego days Aug 24 03:16:06 well Aug 24 03:16:14 i gotta say after today, that enyo is pretty cool Aug 24 03:16:21 i concede Aug 24 03:16:30 whats enyo? Aug 24 03:16:33 fxspec06: too late. Aug 24 03:16:36 (mojo still has more flexibility) Aug 24 03:16:43 haeffb++ Aug 24 03:16:51 webOS is dead Aug 24 03:17:06 webos isnt dead Aug 24 03:17:11 but the touchpad is Aug 24 03:17:14 enyo is that round toy w/ a string Aug 24 03:17:20 amirite? Aug 24 03:17:26 a yoyo? Aug 24 03:17:33 there it is Aug 24 03:17:40 lol i still like meego Aug 24 03:17:47 I really want to believe that webOS isn't dead Aug 24 03:17:54 but I'm really skeptical that it's still alive Aug 24 03:18:01 heh well Aug 24 03:18:04 well some things say its not Aug 24 03:18:06 i vote alive Aug 24 03:18:21 * haeffb votes sorta zombie-like Aug 24 03:18:23 I'm gonna give it 18 months Aug 24 03:18:24 * halfhalo votes alive Aug 24 03:18:28 except without eating brains Aug 24 03:18:33 webos is not said says HP exec Aug 24 03:18:37 whatever u can take from that Aug 24 03:18:37 :p Aug 24 03:18:38 HP ruined everything Aug 24 03:18:41 dead* Aug 24 03:18:49 they are saying quickoffice is coming Aug 24 03:18:49 * haeffb pisses on Leo again. Aug 24 03:18:51 which would be neat Aug 24 03:18:56 psh Aug 24 03:19:04 The HP exec told Bloomberg that the company will continue to support and update the WebOS software, despite having pulled out of production of hardware running the OS. Aug 24 03:19:24 HP also said they were doubling-down on webOS Aug 24 03:19:32 my TP is still amazing Aug 24 03:19:34 we all see where that went Aug 24 03:19:36 fxspec06: this. Aug 24 03:19:49 so this means updates? Aug 24 03:19:51 :) Aug 24 03:20:03 in theory Aug 24 03:20:12 fxspec06: your TP will disappear at midnight Aug 24 03:20:18 I hope, I don't want my flash version falling off the planet Aug 24 03:20:19 lol Aug 24 03:20:32 at midnight! =O Aug 24 03:20:45 * fxspec06 puts his huge subwoofer against his door Aug 24 03:20:48 i just wanna put a damn theme on it Aug 24 03:20:51 and it wont work Aug 24 03:20:54 enjoy while it lasts. At least you got to taste enyo. Aug 24 03:21:04 yeah Aug 24 03:21:15 i've got 10% of a digg app complete Aug 24 03:21:23 8% Aug 24 03:21:33 but the 8% is awesome Aug 24 03:21:40 I love my tp Aug 24 03:21:41 at this rate you'll be starting soon ;) Aug 24 03:21:55 hah Aug 24 03:21:58 fxspec06: how do you think Mojo is more flexible than Enyo? Aug 24 03:22:13 also, digg? Aug 24 03:22:16 people still use that? Aug 24 03:22:18 lol Aug 24 03:22:20 it's probably due to my lack of understanding of enyo so far Aug 24 03:22:23 rwhitby: lol Aug 24 03:22:31 did died with the v4 redesign Aug 24 03:22:34 I thought only spambots were on digg? Aug 24 03:22:35 digg* Aug 24 03:22:36 sugardave: it's more bendy? Aug 24 03:22:45 lol Aug 24 03:22:51 from what i've learned so far it's definitely better. but ATM i'm better at mojo, so i say it's more flexible Aug 24 03:23:07 ah, I see Aug 24 03:23:09 dude, you are tripping Aug 24 03:23:21 nah digg is pretty cool Aug 24 03:23:45 Enyo > Mojo Aug 24 03:23:58 not a lot of people use it is true, but maybe i'll make this a free app and half a million peeps will start using it again Aug 24 03:25:47 what was that thread that had the status of various retailers? Aug 24 03:25:59 have any been available since saturday? Aug 24 03:26:08 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862 Aug 24 03:27:29 aha: a picture of the SUV that crashed into the school playground... http://www.change.org/petitions/macon-r-i-school-macon-mo-put-concrete-barriers-between-the-elementary-playground-hwy-63?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=own_wall#signatures Aug 24 03:27:55 I'm just hoping HP still has a lot left.. Or I'm quick enough to pounce.. Need 3 more for family :-( Aug 24 03:27:56 fxspec06: it's good to have dreams. Aug 24 03:28:01 21K posts on that thread... holy crap Aug 24 03:28:10 lol Aug 24 03:28:34 Ryoken|webOS: I bet all the hp employees are buying them for family and friends Aug 24 03:28:48 I know I would.. Aug 24 03:28:52 alot of people just bought 5 like me Aug 24 03:29:14 btw hp as 250,000 Aug 24 03:29:18 tp Aug 24 03:29:33 it was in an article from an hp employe Aug 24 03:29:39 bought 5 from where/ Aug 24 03:29:50 hp employees have to buy through hpshopping Aug 24 03:30:00 no we don't Aug 24 03:30:18 Boo Aug 24 03:30:31 i bought 5 tp Aug 24 03:30:44 I was at radioshack today and the employees were chatting about doing the ebay thing themselves Aug 24 03:30:47 jeeze, 5 of them ? Aug 24 03:30:59 * sugardave wants 5. Aug 24 03:31:04 more Aug 24 03:31:06 lol Aug 24 03:31:08 * halfhalo has 3 Aug 24 03:31:08 what do you want with 5 of them ? Aug 24 03:31:12 more is good. Aug 24 03:31:14 yea 5 Aug 24 03:31:16 ^ Aug 24 03:31:20 I got 2.. One for me, one for parents Aug 24 03:31:25 that's a lot of crazy birds Aug 24 03:31:35 I bought one for me Aug 24 03:31:41 hey i gotta question.. Aug 24 03:31:45 Need 3 more for aunt, uncle, and cousin. Aug 24 03:31:46 and a freind of mine bought 10 and is turning them into expensive remote controls that sell for about 150 200 on a good day Aug 24 03:31:47 it says the touchpad plays mp4 natively Aug 24 03:31:47 parents and bro bought 3 Aug 24 03:31:52 but.. what the hell do u use to play it? Aug 24 03:32:04 Android Aug 24 03:32:06 * maik duckdodgeflee Aug 24 03:32:11 The picture app Aug 24 03:32:12 I'd like a few, but I also want to figure out a touchstone setup for my motorcycle.. Aug 24 03:32:21 fallchild: the app called "videos" Aug 24 03:32:33 or that has "videos" in the name Aug 24 03:32:33 ^ Aug 24 03:32:52 wow Aug 24 03:32:55 im retarded Aug 24 03:33:04 i guess i stopped reading after photo Aug 24 03:33:05 gotta run guys. I will see you all tomorrow Aug 24 03:33:24 summatusmentis: 3 tps but asking for my pre2? lol Aug 24 03:33:34 halfhalo: Lucky, though, not having to go through hpshopping to get it.. Up here in Canada the phone lines were jammed for the $250 32GB EPP Aug 24 03:33:58 We stood in line at the palm store. for hours. Aug 24 03:34:13 want preee Aug 24 03:34:23 oil_pre: my parents bought the 3 tps, I just provided the info/mechanisms Aug 24 03:34:25 bpadalino: I want to give them as gifts to people Aug 24 03:34:25 I was on hold for the us HP line for 3 hrs before the connection cut out.. Aug 24 03:34:32 oil_pre: but yes, I still want your pre2 :) Aug 24 03:34:33 sugardave: ah, that's a good idea Aug 24 03:34:35 anyone know an easy util that will poll hp Aug 24 03:34:48 's website and notify when that page is changed/in stock? Aug 24 03:34:48 been meaning to call HP and see if they have a pre2/veer in stock Aug 24 03:34:48 scottj: Let's make an app for hunting touchpads :p Aug 24 03:34:57 how.. meta Aug 24 03:34:58 bpadalino: plus I don't own my own already :D Aug 24 03:34:59 but I doubt they do at this point Aug 24 03:35:06 sugardave: oh, well then 1 would be good to keep Aug 24 03:35:09 i converted breaking bad mkvs Aug 24 03:35:11 exactly Aug 24 03:35:12 looks pretty damn good Aug 24 03:35:15 on the tp Aug 24 03:35:35 summatusmentis: I bet you can get one cheap now Aug 24 03:35:38 I wish if had native N Aug 24 03:35:49 Mkv and AVI support Aug 24 03:35:55 i know Aug 24 03:35:58 oil_pre: via HP? when I checked ebay a couple days ago, they were still ~$200 Aug 24 03:36:06 i downloaded like 15 converting apps Aug 24 03:36:10 idk Aug 24 03:36:13 and ones that say free Aug 24 03:36:17 then it asks you to pay Aug 24 03:36:22 right before u click convert Aug 24 03:36:26 lol lame Aug 24 03:36:26 oil_pre: no big deal, just curious if you knew something I didn't Aug 24 03:37:04 I'm still sort of considering snagging a pixi if I still can Aug 24 03:38:26 has anyone been sucessful at setting up a linux build enviroment using a sandbox in virtualbox? Aug 24 03:38:56 for cross compile to arm7 Aug 24 03:39:40 http://ebook.online-convert.com/convert-to-pdf for books Aug 24 03:40:59 I hope amazon updates their Kindle app.. It's a little flakey as it is. Aug 24 03:44:16 summatusmentis: a Pixi? really? Aug 24 03:44:37 sugardave: apparently some of the sprint stores in MSP still have them new, in stock Aug 24 03:44:56 and I want a new webOS device to hold me over for a while Aug 24 03:45:04 keep me away from iOS temptation Aug 24 03:46:25 oic Aug 24 03:48:21 the other option is pre2, which I'm also considering Aug 24 03:48:38 or, I suppose, switching to AT&T for a veer Aug 24 03:48:43 which would get me T2S Aug 24 03:48:50 allegedly Aug 24 03:51:57 eh, verizon is still selling the pre2 for $399 Aug 24 03:51:58 boo Aug 24 03:53:30 okay, so now i've got to play angry birds Aug 24 03:53:34 until i find the glitch Aug 24 03:53:50 glitches!!!!!!! Aug 24 03:53:51 :) Aug 24 03:54:05 glitch, easter egg Aug 24 03:54:20 some scenes, if you just let it sit there, the structure will fall down on its own Aug 24 03:54:21 I love glitches in games. Aug 24 03:54:24 :P Aug 24 03:54:41 lol really Aug 24 03:54:46 BAM Aug 24 03:54:55 I now have template for webOS Aug 24 03:54:56 i bought the rio one too Aug 24 03:55:01 seasons isn't available yet Aug 24 03:55:12 So.. Touchpads have been selling out everywhere.. What about phones? Aug 24 03:55:12 I used my app credit on rio Aug 24 03:55:16 any sales at all? Aug 24 03:55:35 allegedly if you call HP you can get the phones at firesale price Aug 24 03:55:35 phones are sold out everywhere as well Aug 24 03:55:38 I haven't gotten to it Aug 24 03:55:48 but I heard that a couple days ago Aug 24 03:57:04 jesus angry birds crashed again Aug 24 03:57:05 well maybe if I manage to get through with them about modifying my order Aug 24 03:57:07 how do i fix that Aug 24 03:57:18 fxspec06: angry birds... crashed? Madness and/or sparta. Aug 24 03:57:31 yeah Aug 24 03:57:44 the high definition version that came pre-installed Aug 24 03:57:49 went boom Aug 24 03:57:58 preinstalled? I had to install it on mine. Aug 24 03:58:10 i think it was, maybe it wasn't Aug 24 03:58:43 ran fine for me Aug 24 03:58:47 need for speed runs good Aug 24 03:58:57 did u guys disable all the logging shit? Aug 24 03:59:01 yes Aug 24 03:59:08 these birds are pissed Aug 24 03:59:24 fallchild: if you install the 3.0.2 update, some of the logging patches aren't needed Aug 24 03:59:34 does anyone know why they're so angry Aug 24 03:59:41 yeah summatusmentis Aug 24 03:59:44 fxspec06: the pigs stole their eggs. Aug 24 03:59:54 it does run faster tho Aug 24 04:00:02 and taking off that damn download cap Aug 24 04:00:14 i downloaded the update with the limiter and it took forever Aug 24 04:00:33 hmm? what logging shit Aug 24 04:10:30 OH MY GOD Aug 24 04:10:35 HE FINALLY LEFT Aug 24 04:11:24 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293608-i-turned-onsale-bbb.html#post3093495 Aug 24 04:11:25 omg Aug 24 04:11:32 loloololoolooool Aug 24 04:11:35 keenstudios now? Aug 24 04:11:36 that guy is PISSED Aug 24 04:11:46 lol Aug 24 04:12:16 That guy I made the flash thing for Aug 24 04:12:19 Is an idiot Aug 24 04:12:20 that sale was ~2 days ago Aug 24 04:12:33 I don't understand why people are so upset Aug 24 04:12:42 woot takes longer to process orders Aug 24 04:12:53 He's storing plain-text, un-encrypted passwords in .txt files on an open ftp server Aug 24 04:13:41 that guy has some anger issues, no wonder his son is crying for 2 days straight Aug 24 04:13:45 i wouldn't wanna be around him either Aug 24 04:20:46 ok i cant stay up any longer Aug 24 04:20:48 goodnight peeps Aug 24 04:20:59 invalid thread specified Aug 24 04:21:02 can't hit that url Aug 24 04:21:31 "Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" Aug 24 04:21:38 i do believe it got BALEETED Aug 24 04:21:49 probably for teh stoopidity Aug 24 04:21:55 he can cry about that now too Aug 24 04:22:20 judging from teh title, he wanted to go crying to the BBB about how it wasn't fair that he didn't get a TP? Aug 24 04:43:06 * Ironsight throws an angry bird in the room, "Fire in the hole!!!" Aug 24 04:47:49 wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Aug 24 04:48:59 hmmm, touchpad bug Aug 24 04:49:20 if you lock rotation, phone mojo apps still rotate Aug 24 04:50:13 except they rotate backwards Aug 24 05:15:13 dwc-: yes i believe i noticed that when playing a youtube video. i full screened the youtube video, only to have it rotate upside-down on me. Aug 24 05:15:52 maybe it just likes to play certain things with a certain rotation ? :P (Since your audio has to be positioned a certain way... unless you're using ear phones) Aug 24 05:16:21 no, I think what it is is that the container doesn't rotate, but the phone emulator thing does Aug 24 05:16:38 if you turn rotation lock off it works just fine Aug 24 05:16:53 so it ends up upside down Aug 24 05:24:24 Mojo itself is rotating, just not the actual "card"? Aug 24 05:32:05 silkscreen video has a fixed orientation regardless of app Aug 24 05:32:13 fullscreen Aug 24 05:32:53 its just how the decoder works atm. see comments from Ben on the dev forums Aug 24 05:48:57 hey Aug 24 05:49:28 anyone use the griffin elan folio case from vzw? Aug 24 05:49:34 the iPad one? Aug 24 05:49:40 its only $10 Aug 24 05:49:48 really considering it Aug 24 05:51:04 HP case too expenvise Aug 24 05:52:32 $35 Aug 24 05:52:45 for what? Aug 24 05:52:53 HP case Aug 24 05:53:07 officedepot got it 19.99 Aug 24 05:53:17 instore tho Aug 24 05:53:20 griffin elan portfolio for ipad1 is only 10 though Aug 24 05:53:36 and I don't have od near me Aug 24 05:53:52 ah Aug 24 05:54:02 any1 ever used it? Aug 24 05:54:23 looks like it doesn't block speakers or volume rocker Aug 24 05:54:40 nor camera or button at bottom Aug 24 05:54:44 siesta, do you have a staples? Aug 24 05:55:00 maybe you can get them to pricematch Aug 24 05:55:01 yeh Aug 24 05:55:05 st8ples heee Aug 24 05:55:10 here* Aug 24 05:55:44 thats still 10 more than griffin Aug 24 05:55:54 I'm looking for something cheap Aug 24 05:56:05 this only cost 149 Aug 24 05:56:05 yeah but it'll fit Aug 24 05:56:15 and wont block the speakers Aug 24 05:56:21 he griffin? Aug 24 05:56:27 the* Aug 24 05:56:41 the griffin fita Aug 24 05:56:45 fits* Aug 24 05:56:53 by the looks of it Aug 24 05:57:08 oh sweet Aug 24 05:57:15 most ipad 1 cases fit Aug 24 05:57:20 good Aug 24 05:57:21 does it prop the pad up? Aug 24 05:57:26 yes Aug 24 05:57:41 this one has openings in *just* the right spots Aug 24 05:57:53 so I think I'll buy Aug 24 05:58:13 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Griffin-Technology-Elan-Passport-for-iPad-Portfolio/14575857 Aug 24 05:58:18 is this what you're looking at Aug 24 05:59:08 nope Aug 24 05:59:12 hold on Aug 24 05:59:17 I'll link you Aug 24 05:59:57 https://store.griffintechnology.com/ipad/original-ipad/elan-folio-ipad Aug 24 06:00:09 http://www.bestbuy.com/nex/product/sku/2842056?code= Aug 24 06:00:09 http://www.bestbuy.com/nex/product/sku/2842092 Aug 24 06:00:16 $10 on vzw site Aug 24 06:01:12 PsWii60: if only we could order those. I'm not going 40 miles for a maybe one in stock Aug 24 06:01:21 hmm Aug 24 06:01:26 word Aug 24 06:01:30 looks like it'll fit? Aug 24 06:01:44 crazy8 yeah Aug 24 06:01:50 good cheap fix Aug 24 06:02:07 my local bb has 1 Aug 24 06:02:35 I mean tp Aug 24 06:02:55 crazy8 I'll give you vzw link Aug 24 06:03:47 k Aug 24 06:04:35 on the other hand, bestbuy does appear to have touchpad touchstone docks.... Aug 24 06:04:43 which is more than I can say for office depot Aug 24 06:05:23 crazy8 http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&accessoryId=46407 Aug 24 06:05:30 hey guys check this page: www.isthetouchpadinstock.com Aug 24 06:05:41 thx Aug 24 06:05:51 loool Aug 24 06:06:16 travisantonio rofl Aug 24 06:06:26 All the HP stock accessories are on sale at BB now too... Aug 24 06:06:26 * dwc- assumes that is like issonyhackedthisweek Aug 24 06:06:35 50% off Aug 24 06:06:55 crazy8 I've done some research and lots seem to use/like that case Aug 24 06:07:14 amr thats still $25 Aug 24 06:07:28 for frigging case Aug 24 06:07:40 $10 is better Aug 24 06:07:52 Anyway, its 2am heew Aug 24 06:07:56 been uo Aug 24 06:07:59 up* Aug 24 06:08:05 goodnight Aug 24 06:08:10 i think i like the official hp case, because it doesnt cover the bezel..... Aug 24 06:08:12 night Aug 24 06:08:22 I don't use the bezel? Aug 24 06:08:26 goodnight Aug 24 06:09:02 stock case is ok... protects fully and cleans the screen as you carry it (a kind of microfiber on the inside cover. BB will price match staples at 19.99 Aug 24 06:09:09 ok Aug 24 06:09:33 you mean office depot? Aug 24 06:21:35 hi folks Aug 24 06:26:10 why hello there! Aug 24 06:44:24 I miss Lost Aug 24 06:46:07 no you dont Aug 24 06:47:04 screen protectors for 20$... Aug 24 06:47:12 i guess they are hard to make Aug 24 06:49:42 get some cling film and tape Aug 24 06:50:01 you opened the boX?! Aug 24 06:51:24 you guys know if the touchpad's form factor is very similar or not to another tablet? Aug 24 06:52:10 hmmm ie: buy an alternate screen protector meant for said tablet? Aug 24 06:52:11 i read somewhere the dimensions are very similar to the ipad 1 Aug 24 06:52:16 but i cant confirm Aug 24 06:52:24 low, yea Aug 24 06:53:03 plov: I dunno... I think the old ipad1 ones may be close.. Aug 24 06:53:10 ooo here ya go plov Aug 24 06:53:11 http://zapp5.staticworld.net/news/graphics/219243-big_tablets_chart_original.jpg Aug 24 06:53:15 I saw one on a touchpad last week and it overhung a little bit on the sides Aug 24 06:53:35 Compares touchpad to ipad and xoom Aug 24 06:54:46 you guys going to screen protector yours? i think that's the only accessory i'd buy Aug 24 06:55:24 I 'm not going to bother Aug 24 06:55:46 I don't like the plastic feel between my fingers and the glass surface Aug 24 06:56:12 I've had my ipad in a case and with an invisible shield since i got it Aug 24 06:56:17 I ordered the folding case thing today Aug 24 06:56:30 it kind of looks crappy Aug 24 06:56:37 the hp case? Aug 24 06:56:47 yeah Aug 24 06:56:53 that thing is 30$! Aug 24 06:56:58 that's 1/3rd of your tablet ha Aug 24 06:57:14 wel, its $50 retail here Aug 24 06:57:20 19 at officedepot Aug 24 06:57:20 but I get it for 50% off Aug 24 06:57:45 yeah, you guys get better prices on things in the US Aug 24 06:57:58 if you got a free car are you only gonna use free tires? Aug 24 06:58:10 huh Aug 24 06:58:44 ziplock503-pre: analogy is more like would you justify paying 1/3rd of the cost of the car for new tires Aug 24 06:59:02 I was just bein lazy Aug 24 06:59:08 the accessories will be on clearance soon enough Aug 24 06:59:17 they are now Aug 24 06:59:23 where? Aug 24 06:59:25 officedepot and bestbuy Aug 24 06:59:34 they're full price here still at bestbuy Aug 24 06:59:39 hp marked them down online Aug 24 06:59:40 I was just there today Aug 24 06:59:40 a little bit Aug 24 06:59:43 look on the site Aug 24 07:00:03 I got touchstone for 40 today orig 80 Aug 24 07:00:03 the folio is $25 at bestbuy.com Aug 24 07:00:29 $20 officedepot Aug 24 07:00:39 the thing is, if I get one, I'll have to get another Aug 24 07:01:04 lol I might go tomorrow and get case .. dunno about keyboard Aug 24 07:01:16 yeah, I didn't think the keyboard was worth it Aug 24 07:01:22 in stores only Aug 24 07:01:24 staples had them for 40% off before the firesale tho Aug 24 07:01:25 29 now Aug 24 07:01:28 if you search hp touchpad on the officedepot site it changes it to tablets Aug 24 07:01:41 square: i get the same thing on bestbuy.ca Aug 24 07:01:41 square: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/277890/HP-Custom-Fit-FolioStand-For-HP/#tab3 Aug 24 07:01:46 thanks Aug 24 07:01:51 basically shown ipads and playbooks Aug 24 07:01:54 ah i thought i really was going to get one from bn, but no Aug 24 07:02:03 canceled like all the rest Aug 24 07:02:10 I almost ordered from bn as well Aug 24 07:02:11 I was lied to several times by store employees Aug 24 07:02:25 so far its up to onSale and asktp.com Aug 24 07:02:47 onSale looks like a bust tho Aug 24 07:03:13 i already got a few 16gb's, you guys think it's worth it for a 32gb for 188$? Aug 24 07:03:20 i feel like i overpaid Aug 24 07:03:28 lol Aug 24 07:04:03 i could still refuse delivery, it's still in transit Aug 24 07:05:10 not bad Aug 24 07:07:19 plov: well... I would have paid $199... I was shocked to see how low the price went Aug 24 07:08:39 yeah id pay that on craigslist Aug 24 08:23:58 Hendikins: about? Aug 24 08:33:42 night guys, take it easy Aug 24 08:34:21 night Aug 24 08:40:25 rwhitby: do you know that that country thing is about? Aug 24 08:40:32 Tommy: my order has disappeared from amazon. 'yay', no touchpads for me -- any update for you? Aug 24 08:41:37 sephiap http://i.imgur.com/CYskN.jpg Aug 24 08:43:10 EdLin: ? Aug 24 08:43:22 ohhh I was on amazon UK, order still there :D Aug 24 08:43:27 sephiap: i didn't get an email about it... Aug 24 08:43:33 sephiap my tracking dashboard app showing that it is shipped and coming. Aug 24 08:44:12 EdLin: ok, good to know Aug 24 08:44:40 Tommy: I was on the UK portal. but the onSale facebook page is getting rammed with people suddenly seeing their orders disappear Aug 24 08:44:45 yeah, I was up early Sunday morning, I don't think it lasted more than an hour before it was sold out at bestbuy.com Aug 24 08:44:49 sephiap: still shows the same thing, delivery est 25-30 of august Aug 24 08:45:10 EdLin: i had no idea the price drop was coming, i was in australia... got screwed by that Aug 24 08:45:35 Tommy australia had it at the low price for about an hour at a certain store. Aug 24 08:46:47 Harvey such-and-such, forgot the name of the store. Aug 24 08:46:52 harvey norman Aug 24 08:46:53 EdLin: lol that wouldn't help me much Aug 24 08:47:04 no major electronics stores in townsville, and i didn't have a shipping address there Aug 24 08:47:09 * booto managed to get one from hn in .au Aug 24 08:47:21 booto congrats. Aug 24 08:47:33 there were about 3 left in the stack they were selling by the time I got to the front of the queue Aug 24 08:47:40 line* Aug 24 08:47:45 front of the line. Aug 24 08:47:57 Tommy thanks for the translation. Aug 24 08:48:00 what, queue is fine Aug 24 08:48:14 you bogan ass mf'er Aug 24 08:48:19 DonnyCrane: No. Aug 24 08:48:24 line, queue... whichever floats your boat Aug 24 08:48:32 it's queue! Aug 24 08:48:49 DonnyCrane: Send me a whim. Aug 24 08:48:54 I still cant find one :( Aug 24 08:48:57 booto I can tell you're australian, as the British are more firm on their insistence on imperial usage. ;-) Aug 24 08:49:05 lol Aug 24 08:49:17 my point was - people ahead of me grabbing multiple units were making me nervous as I saw the piles of the units getting smaller and smaller Aug 24 08:49:20 EdLin: i'm glad you've finally learned to tell an aussie and a brit apart Aug 24 08:49:32 don't mistaken booto for a pommie, he won't appreciate that Aug 24 08:49:33 Tommy aussies curse more as well. Aug 24 08:49:49 not quite as much as Russians, but who does? Aug 24 08:49:58 Hendikins: enroute. Aug 24 08:50:15 EdLin: i like how you're telling me about australians on my first day back in the US Aug 24 08:50:27 what's a pommie? Aug 24 08:50:33 Tommy I don't need to travel a lot to see the world, I live in Brooklyn. Aug 24 08:50:43 EdLin: oh yeah, TONS of aussies and brits in brooklyn Aug 24 08:50:51 oh wait, that's right, there's not really many at all Aug 24 08:51:00 Tommy I've seen australians in Brooklyn, and Brits elsewhere. Aug 24 08:51:04 sephiap: (australian?) colloquial term for someone of british descent Aug 24 08:51:10 EdLin: not saying you can't find one, saying you don't see many Aug 24 08:51:24 Tommy I see lots of Russians. Aug 24 08:51:28 ..... Aug 24 08:51:31 okay. Aug 24 08:51:41 i see lots of jews, doesn't mean i know what aussies are like because i'm from brooklyn :) Aug 24 08:52:08 ahh I see, thanks booto Aug 24 08:52:43 Tommy I was friends with someone who was both. ;-) Aug 24 08:52:57 (aussie and jewish.) Aug 24 08:52:58 'magine that, jews are everywhere Aug 24 08:53:06 Tommy true. Aug 24 08:53:29 it's a conspiracy, of course. Aug 24 08:53:30 the whole world needs lawyers Aug 24 08:53:37 can't rule the world without living everywhere. Aug 24 08:53:45 lol @ ruling the world Aug 24 08:54:08 well, not yet, but the elders have been working on it. ;-) Aug 24 08:54:26 why do you think they say the internet runs on protocols? Aug 24 08:55:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_elders_of_zion (for those who don't get my poor joke) Aug 24 08:55:34 EdLin: http://gothamist.com/2011/07/08/local_tv_reporter_warns_of_bike_lan.php Aug 24 08:55:56 jews hate bike lanes, always have, you've seen it in billysburg i'm sure... look at the excuse this jew comes up with lololol Aug 24 08:56:03 WHAT IF THERE WAS A TERRORIST IN THE BIKE LANE, HOLY FUCK Aug 24 08:56:29 Tommy yeah, I've seen it in billyburg. I don't know why people hate the lane. Aug 24 08:56:45 EdLin: nor do i, maybe it's not kosher, we need a rabbi to bless bike lanes Aug 24 08:57:01 but she literally says how a bike lane goes right next to the israeli embassy, and "what if a terrorist was on a bike" Aug 24 08:57:12 as if a terrorist needs a bike, and can't just walk up to the israeli embassy Aug 24 08:57:15 Tommy yeah, like, they can't be on foot. Aug 24 08:57:19 yeah. Aug 24 08:57:27 watch the video for the lulz Aug 24 08:57:32 Tommy I guess they need to crash the bike into the building to be effective. Aug 24 08:57:45 lmao Aug 24 08:58:07 EdLin: jews don't have as much practice as muslims with being terrorists, maybe she just doesn't understand how the whole bombing thing works Aug 24 08:58:23 http://gothamist.com/2011/05/12/children_of_molesty_orthodox_rabbi.php Aug 24 08:58:37 halp, halp, i need a hubby and my daddy rapes sleeping women on airplanes Aug 24 08:58:54 ewww Aug 24 08:59:38 Tommy: please take that elsewhere Aug 24 08:59:57 /j #elsewhere Aug 24 09:00:15 rwhitby I'm used to his brand of trolling, it is getting tiresome though. Aug 24 09:00:17 it's empty in there Aug 24 09:00:27 EdLin: trolling? i do believe you were carrying the conversation along, sir Aug 24 09:00:37 scroll up if you don't believe me Aug 24 09:00:40 if the channel allows continued behaviour like that, it will end up like #touchdroid Aug 24 09:00:53 that's not going to hapen Aug 24 09:00:58 s/hapen/happen/ Aug 24 09:01:09 lol, touchdroid has 140 more people Aug 24 09:01:29 rwhitby: in your opinion, what's gonna happen with webOS... sale, license, or demise Aug 24 09:02:35 Tommy: it's not the number of people, it's the behaviour and respect (or lack thereof) that those people show each other Aug 24 09:03:11 rwhitby: well, a lack of respect can be in many forms, arrogance is one Aug 24 09:03:21 this channel has plenty of that to go around, regardless if it's direct criticism or not Aug 24 09:04:58 I think you mistake people uphold the standards of the channel as arrogance. Aug 24 09:05:05 s/uphold/upholding/ Aug 24 09:05:42 especially with your history of advocacy of other platforms in a platform-specific development channel Aug 24 09:07:01 rwhitby: spare the kick and spoil the troll *coughs* :-) Aug 24 09:07:43 DonnyCrane: a kick is the last resort of a rational IRC society Aug 24 09:08:20 when the conventions of the channel are obvious and enforced, people who act outside of those conventions soon leave of their own accord. Aug 24 09:11:01 rwhitby: in a perfect world, maybe. appreciate your point of view though. Aug 24 09:11:51 DonnyCrane: agreed. however we've only ever kicked 3 people from webos-internals in 2 years - in some channels it seems to be a daily occurance. Aug 24 09:12:24 I believe, just like with children, it's a matter of setting clear boundaries. Aug 24 09:13:44 rwhitby: that's an impressive record Aug 24 09:14:03 DonnyCrane: it's due to the majority of folks in there, not just one person. Aug 24 09:14:17 *nods* Aug 24 09:14:33 the WebOS community I like very much, I missed that after I had to stop having a Pre. Aug 24 09:15:02 I'm glad to be back on board with my touchpad. :) Aug 24 09:16:10 webos devs certainly seem to be... saner... than their droid counterparts :) Aug 24 09:16:37 DonnyCrane you'd be crazy too if you had to deal with Java. ;-) Aug 24 09:17:24 though I do admit to having an android phone now. Aug 24 09:17:24 EdLin: 'tis the reason why i got into infrastructure instead... programming java did my head in. Aug 24 09:17:33 horrid, horrid langauge. Aug 24 09:17:44 *language Aug 24 09:18:02 yeah, it has the worst features of C++ and none of it's good ones. Aug 24 09:18:16 its* Aug 24 09:18:37 i'm hoping that the talk of oracle taking over hp is just that - talk Aug 24 09:18:51 because the oracle/sun merger was not a pretty thing. Aug 24 09:19:00 I hope so too, look at what they did to Sun, Java, Solaris, etc. Aug 24 09:19:08 ... mySQL... Aug 24 09:19:14 yeah, that too Aug 24 09:19:43 but I don't recall mySQL being part of the sun merger. Aug 24 09:19:53 that was a seperate acquisition, iirc. Aug 24 09:20:14 sun bought mysql in 2008 Aug 24 09:20:20 ah, ok Aug 24 09:20:27 ergo, inherited by oracle when they bought sun :) Aug 24 09:20:44 sun must have treated mysql much better, because I didn't notice. ;-) Aug 24 09:20:56 EdLin: if it Aug 24 09:20:59 aint' broke... Aug 24 09:21:26 DonnyCrane Oracle is more interested in suing everyone who uses Java than supporting its community. Aug 24 09:21:54 EdLin: well, larry wants another jet/yacht/f1 team, gotta fund it somehow! Aug 24 09:22:43 DonnyCrane Larry Ellison liked the previous HP CEO a lot too, I was hoping that the guy who replaced him would be better, but I guess not.... Aug 24 09:23:06 (he said Mark Hurd was another Steve Jobs.) Aug 24 09:23:23 isn't mark hurd now working for oracle? Aug 24 09:23:27 I don't like Steve Jobs, but they're not exactly in the same league. Aug 24 09:23:39 Technikfreak I think so, Larry took his old buddy on board. Aug 24 09:23:50 Technikfreak: On September 6, 2010 Hurd was named co-president and member of the board of Oracle Corporation Aug 24 09:23:56 EdLin: agreed Aug 24 09:24:06 thats crazy if you now some of these ppl you had everytime a job and earn many money Aug 24 09:24:22 but as a normal worker life is hard :-) Aug 24 09:24:38 Technikfreak that's what it's all about, look at corporate board membership sometime, its very incestuous. Aug 24 09:24:41 heh Aug 24 09:24:45 speaking of worker life Aug 24 09:24:49 it's that time Aug 24 09:24:51 * DonnyCrane departs Aug 24 09:25:00 DonnyCrane later Aug 24 09:25:15 EdLin: cheerio Aug 24 09:27:15 how do I poll a function regularly in enyo? Aug 24 09:27:19 e.g. once/second Aug 24 09:29:00 rwhitby: you holding up the channel's standards have nothing to do with your arrogance, and you also never answered my platform-related question Aug 24 09:29:11 so why don't we keep it on topic Aug 24 09:30:20 Tommy: my webOS devices work the same today as they did a week ago. Anyone who purchases consumer electronics for what it might be in the future (including potential apps) rather than what it is today, will always be disappointed. Aug 24 09:31:10 From that perspective, I have no information about what HP might to on which to base an opinion, and don't really care all that much. Homebrew will continue on regardless of what they do. Aug 24 09:31:16 rwhitby: i don't recall asking about a purchasing decision Aug 24 09:31:23 s/might to/might do/ Aug 24 09:31:49 i asked out of curiosity and nothing more, i'm not buying a webOS phone regardless of what they do with webOS Aug 24 09:32:41 it looked like a loaded question to me, you didn't give him an option of "will live on as long as people write for it" Aug 24 09:32:52 is there anyway to get the multitasking to work in cards like it did in 3.0.0? Aug 24 09:33:34 such as wirc would update when it wasnt focused on Aug 24 09:33:34 EdLin: that's why I didn't answer the question asked ;) Aug 24 09:33:36 now it doesnt Aug 24 09:33:55 rwhitby have you stopped beating your wife? ;-) Aug 24 09:34:55 EdLin: if new devices don't come out, the OS will die, period. Aug 24 09:34:58 tehsu maybe you could ask that in #wirc Aug 24 09:35:07 there aren't enough pre's and pixi's to keep it going forever, phones break Aug 24 09:35:14 well, it happens with videos too Aug 24 09:35:19 so its not just wirc Aug 24 09:35:24 Tommy maybe, but it might last as long as people have the devices, and that's what matters. :) Aug 24 09:35:31 EdLin: oh yeah, 2-3 years. Aug 24 09:35:39 the OS will survive for 2-3 years, of course that's the only thing that matters Aug 24 09:35:51 i'm sure developers don't want to eat food for longer than that Aug 24 09:36:21 Tommy it isn't like WebOS doesn't have skills that you can't use elsewhere. Web programming and Linux programming, pretty straightforward at that. Aug 24 09:36:24 http://www.pcworld.com/article/238686/touchpad_feverwhy_do_we_suddenly_love_webos.html Aug 24 09:36:29 ^^^lol, because it's cheap. Aug 24 09:36:58 zdnet are internet trolls, it's no wonder that they run download.com as a spyware factory now. Aug 24 09:37:02 EdLin: yeah, but if you make an amazing application that you put 8 months of work into, you've only got 16 months or so to profit off of it, and at a weaning rate as less people keep their devices Aug 24 09:38:14 what if samsung or htc drop a device with webOS Aug 24 09:38:16 Tommy if I wanted to only profit from mobile apps monetarily, I'd be a full time iOS programmer. Aug 24 09:38:28 ziplock503: they'd need HP to license it to them, or sell it to them, which was the original question i asked Aug 24 09:38:41 they are going to license it out Aug 24 09:38:52 EdLin: and you'd be lost in the shuffle like the other 10 million people that think the same thing Aug 24 09:38:54 i want 4" webos phone Aug 24 09:38:55 ziplock503: oh yeah? since when Aug 24 09:39:12 http://pastie.org/2421463 Aug 24 09:39:20 since couple days ago and a month or so ago they said they would entertain the idea Aug 24 09:39:21 i don't quite get how enyo.bind works Aug 24 09:39:28 can anyone help me with that? Aug 24 09:39:40 Uncaught ReferenceError: getPlayers is not defined Aug 24 09:39:50 htc buys 51% of beats for smartphone exclusive .. pre 3 had beats Aug 24 09:40:31 so does the touchpad. Aug 24 09:40:39 yeah Aug 24 09:40:50 smartphone exclusive Aug 24 09:40:51 pre 3 is practically stillborn..... Aug 24 09:41:10 yup Aug 24 09:41:16 anyone? Aug 24 09:41:26 but if they got phones made and gave them to htc Aug 24 09:41:30 a pity, I was looking forward to seeing a bigger WebOS smartphone. Aug 24 09:41:33 who knows Aug 24 09:42:00 im good for 6 months Aug 24 09:42:13 Hey all Aug 24 09:42:18 hi Aug 24 09:42:32 Touchpad arrived today :) pre 3 en route later this week Aug 24 09:42:46 tomhut lucky you. :) Aug 24 09:42:55 Im going to resell them on ebay later Aug 24 09:42:58 …joking Aug 24 09:43:03 I assume you're in Europe. Aug 24 09:43:07 Yes, London Aug 24 09:43:42 Will be a bit odd living in HP's ecosystem that never was. Aug 24 09:43:47 tomhut do you know what 3g bands the Pre 3 supports? Aug 24 09:44:19 EdLin: not sure yet :( Aug 24 09:44:29 If i can get more i will and ship them off to you lot Aug 24 09:44:46 if not, I guess that gsmworld or something site will have the specs. Aug 24 09:44:46 EdLin: 900/1900/2100 Aug 24 09:45:03 would have ordered more yesterday but they debit the full £300 before refunding you, don't think the bank/wedding fund would be too happy! Aug 24 09:45:08 rwhitby oh, that means it'll work on part of AT&T's range, and not at all 3g on tmobile. Aug 24 09:45:10 EdLin: for the UK version. US version (which will probably never be released) is 850/1900/2100 Aug 24 09:45:23 wait, it won't. Aug 24 09:45:25 EdLin: correct, that has been validated by topolsky Aug 24 09:45:37 on the 1900 band in metro areas Aug 24 09:45:46 rwhitby tmobile needs that 1700 upload band. Aug 24 09:45:59 EdLin: correct Aug 24 09:45:59 whats the odds of seeing touch to share on the pre2 via hp or homebrew? Aug 24 09:46:22 AT&T on 19000 in metro areas Aug 24 09:46:30 pre2 does not have the hardware Aug 24 09:46:36 rats Aug 24 09:46:38 of course, if the atandt/tmobile merger goes through, 1700/2100 will be repurposed to LTE anyway. Aug 24 09:46:43 neato! i guess will work Aug 24 09:47:17 should do Aug 24 09:48:24 rwhitby does Veer have the hardware? Aug 24 09:48:31 yes Aug 24 09:48:54 I should add a picture of that to http://bit.ly/veer-disassembly Aug 24 09:50:33 rwhitby lol, it gave up its body to science. ;-) Aug 24 09:51:03 EdLin: under the metallic tape on the backplate you can see both coils Aug 24 09:51:40 smaller one for the charging, and a larger radius coil for the inductive token transfer Aug 24 09:57:17 rwhitby cool. I love the way that Palm and HP WebOS devices innovate in ways like that (touchstone and tap to transfer) Aug 24 09:59:00 rwhitby did you ever manage to figure out the veer or pre 3's touch to transfer stuff without bricking? Aug 24 09:59:31 EdLin: yeah. My Hello! homebrew app does transfer of generic data between two devices. Aug 24 09:59:41 neat. :) Aug 24 09:59:41 They've also released the API for it since then. Aug 24 10:00:02 APIs are for sissies. ;-) Aug 24 10:01:13 real men write their own printf(3) routines Aug 24 10:01:25 they crippled the API too. Aug 24 10:02:03 restricted the mimeType to text/html, when it's clear that the binaries have strings in them which support image transfer and other stuff Aug 24 10:03:18 rwhitby do you think they had any plans to support those in a future revision? Aug 24 10:03:30 no way to tell Aug 24 10:03:38 yeah, true. Aug 24 10:04:22 it would be good for transfering, say a photo you took with your veer, to your touchpad. Aug 24 10:05:15 without having to use a cloud service or social network first. Aug 24 10:05:24 or a usb cable. Aug 24 10:05:54 * rwhitby bbl Aug 24 10:06:06 rwhitby later Aug 24 10:06:15 I need to eat breakfast anyway. Aug 24 10:06:31 bfn Aug 24 10:57:50 hey Aug 24 10:58:12 anyone with a touchpad, an XBMC installation and some spare time around here? Aug 24 11:12:56 mots_: I would like to help, but my tp is still in mail :/ Aug 24 11:13:25 it should come before end of week, hopefully Aug 24 11:16:44 oh Aug 24 11:16:46 so is mine Aug 24 11:16:49 ;P Aug 24 11:18:34 mots_: but I can test it out with emulator + my xbmc -box. But you might have already done that :P Aug 24 11:18:54 yeah, I'm just curious if it's performant on a real device Aug 24 11:20:44 hopefully it boots up fster then the vbox vm Aug 24 11:20:56 they kind of make vmware look bad :P Aug 24 11:21:01 **virtualbox Aug 24 11:21:36 jrabbit: you mean webos emulation on vbox? Aug 24 11:21:54 I expect booting on real tablet is pretty same Aug 24 11:22:14 yes its pretty slow on my machine Aug 24 11:22:23 of course it depends lot, on what hardware youre running :) Aug 24 11:22:29 the kernel boots fairly reasonably Aug 24 11:22:37 but then it takes a whiel for wbeos to load Aug 24 11:22:59 with ssd + couple years old macbook it boots as wast as my android phone used to Aug 24 11:23:01 probably does loading betetr on flash media then a laptop harddrive Aug 24 11:23:03 *as fast Aug 24 11:23:20 my mbp still has platters :P Aug 24 11:23:53 that makes difference :P Aug 24 11:24:34 especialy if its orginal 5200rpm :) Aug 24 11:40:20 guys does anyone knows if the eurostore ships to countries not listed in the home screen? Aug 24 11:40:29 hopefully :P Aug 24 11:40:58 i am hoping to get the pre3 friday... Aug 24 11:41:03 eurisko Aug 24 11:41:12 The german one only ships to germany Aug 24 11:42:15 arh Aug 24 11:42:26 i am fscked Aug 24 11:42:28 I would have one shuipped for Denmark :S Aug 24 11:42:31 But that was no go Aug 24 11:42:39 I don't know about the other stores Aug 24 11:42:44 but they have it at full price Aug 24 11:43:03 i am really afraid that the developer devices programs by the time they get back don't have hardware left for us Aug 24 11:43:27 the developer device program only have the products at full price.. Aug 24 11:44:22 but maybe they lower it Aug 24 11:44:43 i am getting tired of the emulator Aug 24 11:44:56 it eats me time Aug 24 11:45:14 I would like a cheap pre 3 Aug 24 11:45:26 but i don't see how i could get one at the moment Aug 24 11:47:17 on ebay they are more expensive than in the eurostore Aug 24 11:48:12 #OUT OF STOCK! Update Wed 24th 10am : Sorry, No stock will be available for order for the remainder of this week Next Update: Fri 26th 10am" Aug 24 11:48:29 their store is gonna explode on friday, then Aug 24 11:48:40 only if they lower the price? Aug 24 11:49:22 well the problem is if they don't ship to portugal Aug 24 11:49:42 i would buy it at the current listed price 349? Aug 24 11:49:50 from hp Aug 24 11:49:56 the uk one want? Aug 24 11:50:21 hotdp, the store will explode when hundreds of thousands of people sit there hammering refresh to see if the price has dropped Aug 24 11:50:36 thereby fuelling speculation that the store is down because the price has dropped Aug 24 11:50:43 http://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secpBRMZMU8oTE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB437AA-ABU Aug 24 11:51:03 i think 349? is a good price for february device :) Aug 24 11:52:21 i just don't understand why is it still running 2.2 but nevermind Aug 24 11:56:41 eurisko, 2.2 is problematic. Aug 24 11:56:41 Didn't HP send out an internal email this morning giving staff first punt at what's left of the stock? I doubt there are any pre3s left, most people seem to have preordered them on the gamble that HP will refund the difference Aug 24 11:59:10 refund the difference of what?! Aug 24 11:59:26 the pre 3 didn't have any price drop as far as i know Aug 24 11:59:34 i mean official price drop Aug 24 11:59:38 eurisko, there's an expected price drop on the pre3. rumoured numbers are between £50 and £100 Aug 24 12:00:06 maybe they get their expections wrong :) Aug 24 12:00:27 eurisko, i dunno, i paid £300 Aug 24 12:11:21 so i call hp number, they just opened.. and 1 hour wait what the Aug 24 12:13:40 tje pre 3 has a big prcie drop Aug 24 12:13:43 i htin 70 euro in germany Aug 24 12:14:32 I rang Dixons this morning to process a refund and the the first thing the recorded message said was "We have no touchpads" (or words to that effect). Aug 24 12:16:21 you guys seen that hp phishing site? lol Aug 24 12:16:44 identical clone of the hp site except the TLD was like .org.uk Aug 24 12:17:02 oh fu- Aug 24 12:18:02 no but i bet some people did get scammed by it Aug 24 12:18:10 since people are just punching in their credit cards to any site Aug 24 12:18:50 plov: hopefully its not an identity scam Aug 24 12:18:57 doesnt palm eurostore sopport paypal? Aug 24 12:18:58 plov: and they jsut charge the money Aug 24 12:19:02 *support Aug 24 12:24:10 is it possible to reset the whole touchpad if something with preware or chroot going wriong?? Aug 24 12:26:07 i am a little confused, hp states that the veer will get support? Aug 24 12:26:18 but the pre 3 not? Aug 24 12:28:59 eurisko - I think they mean in the US, where the veer was officially released - otherwise I think they run into legal issues of selling the Touchpad with TTS share capabilities and nothing to share with... Aug 24 12:29:15 And I guess Germany which is the other place it came out Aug 24 12:29:51 the same logic applies to to the pre 3 in germany, and uk... Aug 24 12:30:02 worrying observation: there is no pre3 doctor on palm.com/rom Aug 24 12:30:43 Yes - but that message was in conversation with a US site, which is why they were talking about the veer, if they ever actually talk to a UK site, I guess they will say the same about the Pre3 - if you follow me Aug 24 12:31:15 Because in a US context, there is no Pre3 and in a UK one, there is no Veer Aug 24 12:31:17 oh i understand now Aug 24 12:31:38 i thought the veer was also sold in europe Aug 24 12:31:41 sorry Aug 24 12:31:58 Just germany as far as I am aware (anyone want to correct me?) Aug 24 12:32:27 Alanrogers, there are some used from there but all unlocked maybe imports?! Aug 24 12:32:53 no it was also sold there "O2 Germany has confirmed that they will have the Veer in May " Aug 24 12:33:00 on wikipedia Aug 24 12:33:07 yep Aug 24 12:33:13 directhex maybe they will add it later on Aug 24 12:33:30 eurisko, i hope so. rather worrying otherwise Aug 24 12:33:30 veer was sold in germany Aug 24 12:33:35 (since june, i tink) Aug 24 12:33:47 all unlocked as far as i know Aug 24 12:34:02 *think Aug 24 12:34:17 directhex i think i will wait for things to clear up, to make a buy Aug 24 12:35:26 there are already used veer from 180? it's a nice price Aug 24 12:35:47 but i don't know if i would get used to such a small screen Aug 24 12:37:48 veer lol... Aug 24 12:38:05 who would want a small chubby phone Aug 24 12:39:06 it's like good women Aug 24 12:39:44 i have a pre3. which is, surprisingly, a little smaller than my htc hero Aug 24 12:39:46 it feels bigger Aug 24 12:40:22 Hey, is it true that onSale is cancelling orders?? Aug 24 12:40:58 hp phone design really missed the mark to me, they're going the small size bulky thickness while everyone else is going big size , but thin Aug 24 12:41:38 plov, at least it fits in a human pocket Aug 24 12:41:45 i think touchpad is the same? Aug 24 12:41:50 it's thicker than most other tablets Aug 24 12:42:53 and heavier# Aug 24 12:42:55 eurisko: i think a lot of women rather not have a small chubby phone, in the end think it comes down to display for everyone Aug 24 12:43:13 besides girls carry their phones in their hand bags Aug 24 12:43:15 Nicer to hold but not as nice on the eye Aug 24 12:44:32 oh come on, the veer it's not my nokia e63 it's way better, and it doesn't pretend to be the galaxy s II Aug 24 12:44:44 diferent phone Aug 24 12:44:55 that vertical style of sliding qwerty keyboard really miss the mark to me too, it's like they're trying to design for smartphones 2 years ago Aug 24 12:44:55 i would swap the e63 quite fast for the veer Aug 24 12:46:02 eurisko: but it needs to be a galaxy sII is my pointttt, because no one is buying the veer for what it was going for Aug 24 12:46:16 i think that a real keyboard it's essential, normally i use email on the old e63 because it's faster than the galaxy s II it sucks to use the keyboard Aug 24 12:46:32 I'd really like a Pre2 with a horizontal slider Aug 24 12:46:40 yea but make it a sliding bar style, not the horiztonal slider Aug 24 12:46:53 the best design for me is the e7-00 Aug 24 12:47:09 it's the perfect hardware design Aug 24 12:47:13 in my oppinion Aug 24 12:48:01 of course it runs something older than my grandmother, instead of meego... Aug 24 12:51:41 * NuttyBunny greets everyone (damn crickets) Aug 24 12:52:49 NuttyBunny: yes, it is true. some have had cancellation emails and their cards refunded already, all we can do is wait and see. Aug 24 12:53:42 That's not good... not good at all... I need it to be in NC before sunday (before friday actually, so it can get on time)... grrr Aug 24 12:53:43 BB supposedly might have some in stores Aug 24 12:54:01 but i'm sure after today that'll be all sold out Aug 24 12:54:16 not out there, my friend already went, asked, called, everything.. and nothing Aug 24 12:54:25 oh and hp home store will be getting them... today? pretty high chance it's today Aug 24 12:54:39 NuttyBunny: https://www.facebook.com/notes/onsale/update-about-hp-touch-pads/10150261415311008 Aug 24 12:55:32 pretty sure when hp home store re-stocks it will not sell out fast, i think they have a huge supply, probably will take a full day of orders for them to sell out Aug 24 12:56:44 sephiap: Thanks, I think I'm screwed, my card hasn't been charged.. and I think it will stay that way... Aug 24 12:57:07 plov, the problem with hp home store is that I need an US credit card, and I'm from Mexico Aug 24 12:57:27 oh Aug 24 12:57:29 mine has been charged, but it's a prepaid card so I don't know if they can simply reverse it :/ Aug 24 12:58:09 * plov will be glad when everything is completely sold out and done with Aug 24 12:58:21 * sephiap will be glad when he has his touchpad & pre3 combo Aug 24 12:58:40 can't wait to start developing for it :D Aug 24 12:58:54 you're in EU? Aug 24 12:59:53 yes Aug 24 13:00:00 i got the feeling when christmas comes, a lot of people will see touchpads in their gift wrap Aug 24 13:00:17 haha indeed Aug 24 13:00:29 some time to get some apps in the catalog then ;) Aug 24 13:00:44 http://t.co/Q5YCoHS <-- NOT GOOD :( But very funny nonttheless :D Aug 24 13:00:59 well i wonder how successful android on touchpad will be Aug 24 13:01:24 if they can get android 3.x full functional with all working drivers, i'm sold Aug 24 13:01:41 not very, I've seen tweets of people already loving webOS even when they bought their TouchPads with hopes of using Android on them Aug 24 13:02:12 i think it depends on the direction webos will go too, if it's pretty much done and no more updates Aug 24 13:02:16 and all that Aug 24 13:03:38 Well, HP said they'll continue with the software division of webOS, and I'm pretty sure I read they'll issue updates for some phones and the TP (I'm assuming Pre2, Veer and Pre3) Aug 24 13:04:08 of course, they may be lying, or their plans may change in the future (as always) Aug 24 13:04:11 well is it going to be a bunch of minor bug fix releases or major updates that stay competitive, etc. Aug 24 13:05:32 dunno, but the TP hardware is really nice, I hope they're major updates :D Aug 24 13:07:10 TP for now needs really important tweaks Aug 24 13:07:16 yer Aug 24 13:07:23 i find my TP very bugge :S Aug 24 13:07:27 special the browser Aug 24 13:07:38 the single device i tried, was unresponsive UI and browser Aug 24 13:07:42 something not right Aug 24 13:07:54 even a pre 2 is way faster Aug 24 13:08:42 I also hope they get fixed but i don't get my hopes to high :P Aug 24 13:09:05 i doubt Aug 24 13:09:48 they took forever to actually release the devices to market, it will take a 2xforever do something after they are sold Aug 24 13:15:17 Eurisko - I found that as soon as I did the update to the latest version of the OS, then it was pretty responsive - however the browser is no better than poor Aug 24 13:17:57 Alanrogers: same here Aug 24 13:18:24 The Preware patches also make a big difference Aug 24 13:18:26 Universe for TP would be nice dkirker Aug 24 13:23:09 does anyone here use advanced browser for TP? Aug 24 13:23:09 Exciting Aug 24 13:27:36 sup guys Aug 24 13:28:25 hey Aug 24 13:28:57 hey Aug 24 13:29:08 I almost read webosos instead of wesbos ;) Aug 24 13:29:09 matbee saw your weather app in the tp app catalog library the other day Aug 24 13:29:18 wait, what? Aug 24 13:29:20 I find you guys all over the app catalog Aug 24 13:29:28 it wasnt developed for the touchpad Aug 24 13:29:28 but hey Aug 24 13:29:30 cool :P Aug 24 13:29:33 matbee productions? Aug 24 13:29:35 yeah Aug 24 13:29:38 yeah ok Aug 24 13:29:41 its on tp Aug 24 13:29:45 tp catalog Aug 24 13:29:48 yeah Aug 24 13:29:57 palm may have marked it touchpad capable Aug 24 13:30:09 ohwell Aug 24 13:30:10 they did Aug 24 13:30:39 I got a pretty awesome review from some guy Aug 24 13:30:48 "very tetriable app" Aug 24 13:30:54 anyone using the Wordpress app on the TP? Aug 24 13:31:07 NuttyBunny: haha happens all the time ;) Aug 24 13:32:16 someone recommend me a screen protector for touchpad! Aug 24 13:32:30 Ah, nevermind about the app. I couldn't find my draft on the page, turns out I have to "publish" it as a draft Aug 24 13:32:44 plov, Any protector for iPad 1st gen should work Aug 24 13:33:01 perfectly? the ipad1 seems a bit bigger than tp? Aug 24 13:34:05 I didn't compare them side by side, but I'm almost sure they're the same size (a friend has one and they're the same size to me) Aug 24 13:36:48 I use a Skinomi screen protector Aug 24 13:37:47 20$ lol ? well dang Aug 24 13:39:10 they are $18 mention skinomi25 for a 25% discount when ordering Aug 24 13:42:52 hi one question about enyo and sending enmails Aug 24 13:43:19 is it possible to send emails in the background? without opening the app? Aug 24 13:47:41 you want to send an email from your app without opening the email app? Aug 24 13:47:49 no it is not possible Aug 24 13:47:58 it's a security protocol in place by webos Aug 24 13:48:19 is there a feed for preware that xterm/xecutah is in? trying to add it back to my phone Aug 24 13:48:35 you -could- create a webservice that accepts GET/POST parameters which sends an email Aug 24 13:48:55 kevets, testing feeds maybe?? Aug 24 13:49:03 hmm can't see uberkernel from preware ? Aug 24 13:49:14 thought those were on. let me make sure Aug 24 13:49:33 that was it /idiot Aug 24 13:51:09 any ideas on why i cant see any kernels in preware? Aug 24 13:51:39 F-GT: device? version? Aug 24 13:51:40 F-GT: they will show if you add the feed with the exact name and feed otherwise it wont go Aug 24 13:51:46 hp touchtab Aug 24 13:52:06 heh touchtab Aug 24 13:52:08 latest Aug 24 13:52:21 kevets, F-GT: Isn't UberKernel on the stable feeds for TouchPad? Aug 24 13:52:31 i cant see any kernels Aug 24 13:52:50 i only ever got kernels by adding the kernel testing feeds from the wiki Aug 24 13:53:01 name had to be webos-kernels-testing Aug 24 13:53:23 and then url is http://preware.is.awesome.com/ add and reboot phone Aug 24 13:53:31 UberKernel is on the stable feed, I have it, no testing kernels here :) .. TP 3.0.2 Aug 24 14:00:56 can't wait to finally get a TP, i hope hp ships soon Aug 24 14:01:42 can't wait to finally get my TP, hope onSale ships or cancels soon :@ Aug 24 14:03:34 my TP is on the way from FedX arrives tomorrow Aug 24 14:04:09 I didn't get a cancellation from OnSale yet Aug 24 14:04:28 is HP.com supposed to be getting more in today Aug 24 14:04:36 I haven't received even a shipping email so I think I'm screwed... Aug 24 14:05:00 yes I saw a coming soon msg instead of out of stock Aug 24 14:05:21 anyone got a confirmation from Fnac yet? Aug 24 14:05:39 I just hope one or the other pans out I am getting quite nervous now Aug 24 14:05:46 argh... 9am here, gotta bo... bbl :D Aug 24 14:10:31 NuttyBunny_Pre2, did you get the email about shipping on thursday and another tracking email will be sent? Aug 24 14:10:34 i did.. kinda pissed Aug 24 14:10:51 my buddy got his TP today.. he ordered it 2hrs after i did and i ordered before the world went nuts Aug 24 14:11:00 amazon is cancelling tp orders in the uk Aug 24 14:11:20 :o why? Aug 24 14:12:10 they don't have stock, and don't seem to expect that they'll get more Aug 24 14:12:31 dawm_: No emails whatsoever. I've emailed onSale (in the night), I'm still waiting Aug 24 14:12:38 dawn_ you have not gotten yours? where did you order from? Aug 24 14:12:51 ah ok Aug 24 14:13:01 I *should* have gotten a mail from Fnac by now... nothing new :( Aug 24 14:16:46 goodbye means god be with you Aug 24 14:17:09 oops :) Aug 24 14:17:10 god by ye Aug 24 14:17:56 oh onsale Aug 24 14:18:00 i ordered form hp.com Aug 24 14:18:01 from Aug 24 14:19:02 got confirmed from HP and I have tracking Aug 24 14:19:17 on the way to NJ and then NY now Aug 24 14:19:44 so if things go as planned I get mine on the 25th Aug 24 14:20:08 the ones I ordered for my nephews were from onsale Aug 24 14:20:50 I ordered early on the 21st so I figured first come first served Aug 24 14:21:46 there's a package floating around heading to my zip code with a reference number matching my order number Aug 24 14:22:03 grab it Aug 24 14:22:31 I wish I could get a Pre3 Aug 24 14:22:35 still waiting to see what happens with the pre3 pricing - i paid full price for mine a week ago Aug 24 14:22:43 but netiher I or my buddy have gotten updates since the "whoops we're behind on shipping" email Aug 24 14:22:52 but both of us have such packages in the system Aug 24 14:22:55 word is they're going to stop selling the device on its own - bundle in all the accessories for <£100 Aug 24 14:23:01 but where does that leave me? Aug 24 14:23:10 Aug 24, 2011 2:54 AM Aug 24 14:23:12 Arrived at FedEx location Aug 24 14:23:12 OLIVE BRANCH, MS Aug 24 14:23:22 yes Aug 24 14:23:34 that seems to be the first stop Aug 24 14:23:38 thanks, matbee. so maybe i will try the webservice... Aug 24 14:23:42 then a depot in KY Aug 24 14:24:10 I wonder where the main wharehouse is Aug 24 14:24:22 3am packages should reach the KY hub for redist in time for the next departure Aug 24 14:24:35 must be Olive Branch Aug 24 14:29:00 my touchpad wants to update itself Aug 24 14:29:10 how dare it Aug 24 14:29:14 boshhead, to 3.0.2? Aug 24 14:29:17 is this the kill signal they are sending out? :P Aug 24 14:29:29 lol Aug 24 14:29:31 directhex: 3.0.2 68 Aug 24 14:29:43 Yes, it will be useless. I will be happy to take the useless electronic waste off your hands. Aug 24 14:29:48 boshhead, 3.0.2 is the release that fixes the crippling slowness of 3.0.0 Aug 24 14:29:48 everyone... buy your touchpad for $99... oh here comes the kill signal :P Aug 24 14:29:55 I can give you pre-paid shipping number. Aug 24 14:30:37 the begging is getting very clever Aug 24 14:32:15 oh no Aug 24 14:32:27 what if they are trying to take out all webos users with an exploding update? Aug 24 14:32:34 they really are trying to kill webos! Aug 24 14:33:56 that'll really kill the market share... Aug 24 14:34:28 would hurt their licensing ability too.. hm Aug 24 14:34:45 its probably safe to install Aug 24 14:36:49 soo Aug 24 14:37:01 anyone else notice in the android TPs from bestbuy video/sshots? Aug 24 14:37:11 the build number includes the date Aug 24 14:37:50 how many of those were there? huh Aug 24 14:37:54 thought it was only 1 Aug 24 14:39:34 hi, when I tap on a list item the row gets huge padding, how can I change this? what is the selected css property? Aug 24 14:41:31 theres 2 Aug 24 14:41:47 one ha a build date of something 08-2011 Aug 24 14:41:58 another is 2011-03-25 Aug 24 14:43:10 I have not even received my TP and am more interested in WebOS than Android Aug 24 14:43:16 what kind of stuff do people run in xserver on their phones? tryin to see what other people do here Aug 24 14:45:33 tabasko, here? Aug 24 14:49:36 anyone know where i can get a cheap touchstone? Aug 24 14:50:05 are the Pre stones compat with the TP? Aug 24 14:50:21 i believe officedepot for $39? Aug 24 14:50:32 only in stores and none in my area Aug 24 14:51:18 CDW has them for 34 but then charges 15 for shipping Aug 24 14:54:47 dawm_, no they're not Aug 24 14:55:07 kevets, xterm is plenty enough reason for xserver Aug 24 15:02:54 http://ompldr.org/vYTE5ZA Aug 24 15:02:57 comments, thoughts? Aug 24 15:03:52 xterm is pretty great indeed Aug 24 15:04:56 what is baz Aug 24 15:05:57 kevets, i'd like banshee though :p Aug 24 15:07:09 banshee looks interesting eh Aug 24 15:09:50 beerock: you'll love webOS more than Android :D Aug 24 15:10:26 I really think your right, NuttyBunny Aug 24 15:11:32 i can vouch Aug 24 15:11:37 NuttyBunny is always right Aug 24 15:11:42 The $149 price point made me "buy" but WebOS is what is making me "want" Aug 24 15:11:55 hey nutty, what's your app in the catalog again? for pad? Aug 24 15:11:58 I've tried webOS, iOS4, Android 2.1, and I just can't stand them. webOS is superior, we only lack apps :( Aug 24 15:12:16 Deihmos: hp.com has them for $55 free ship Aug 24 15:12:16 fxspec06: it's not released yet Aug 24 15:12:37 oh jeez. well when is it? =p Aug 24 15:12:41 i have a credit, kinda Aug 24 15:12:53 cheap tp touchstones? Hells yes! Aug 24 15:12:59 not HP credit, but a credit i have inherited from my ginormous resources Aug 24 15:13:13 I like Android in general but that for a phone, I have had a 2.x on Tablets and its boring Aug 24 15:14:28 any suggestions where to stay posted for WebOs info? Aug 24 15:14:40 fxspec06, this week, 2 apps, and perhaps the next week I can finish the third one Aug 24 15:15:30 nice! i'm pretty sure I'll have enough credit left, so I'll more than likely return the favor to you Aug 24 15:16:01 wow, sales today are higher than previous five days Aug 24 15:16:01 cool, thanks! Aug 24 15:16:23 and average is WAY higher than it was from before the 19th Aug 24 15:16:37 I regret not releasing my apps before :@ Aug 24 15:16:41 yeah Aug 24 15:16:47 fxspec06 - what's your app? Aug 24 15:16:51 i hurried up and got my stuff out there. Aug 24 15:16:57 clearview and wildn video poker Aug 24 15:17:07 Right - I'll check them out Aug 24 15:17:08 i wish the hardware was better so i would have been able to release my app instead of trying to make it PDK and learn C++ along the way Aug 24 15:17:23 pretty bad that my mojo game crawls.. Aug 24 15:17:28 er not even mojo really Aug 24 15:17:37 mojo swapscene is SLOW Aug 24 15:17:41 >.> Aug 24 15:17:49 it's not emulated properly Aug 24 15:17:53 IMO Aug 24 15:18:02 carphone warehouse has the pre3 in stock. only £480 Aug 24 15:18:50 "only" Aug 24 15:18:51 wow, non HD sales are up too! Aug 24 15:19:06 possibly because of the RETURN of legacy support, and the added support for Veer and Pixi Aug 24 15:19:36 i had zero phone sales for 7 days straight, and today it's on par w/ my touchpad apps Aug 24 15:19:43 fxspec06, which apps? Aug 24 15:20:06 wildn poker for phone & pad, clearview pad only Aug 24 15:20:15 is it true the touchpad doesn't charge over a normal microusb cable? Aug 24 15:20:24 i should send that in DMs from now on, just so you guys don't have to read it over and over lol Aug 24 15:21:16 so accessories are now discounted as well? Aug 24 15:21:21 i just found out about that Aug 24 15:21:26 It's weird how many people will get to use TTS simply because they will never be able to get phone hardware even if they wanted to Aug 24 15:21:27 yes Aug 24 15:21:33 mots_, seems so Aug 24 15:21:38 hm Aug 24 15:22:05 how do you charge it then? does it have a seperate charging plug? Aug 24 15:22:16 (i ordered one from the us, but am from the eu) Aug 24 15:22:22 mots - also if you are using a windows box - safety remove device doesn't work - you need to go in explorer and eject it - yes it comes with a charging plug Aug 24 15:23:06 HattCzech_work: how much for case? and touchstone? individually Aug 24 15:23:25 mots_, comes with the mains charger. or there's touchstone, which is easier Aug 24 15:24:03 I picked up a case today but the touchstones are too expensive (or I am too cheap). Aug 24 15:24:33 Alanrogers: $39 is expensive? Aug 24 15:24:38 half price accessories at pc world. Aug 24 15:24:48 same on Office Depot Aug 24 15:25:18 http://www.shopping.hp.com/accessories-store/touchpad?jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/ipg/lateralnav_touchpad_accessories Aug 24 15:25:30 NuttyBunny: that's a fair price, I would maybe argue that is the price it should have been from the beginning Aug 24 15:25:32 I am in the UK - it's more than that here. £34 is still more than I'm willing to pay for a device I only paid £89 for. Aug 24 15:25:51 $79 is a tad too high. but it IS a phenominal item Aug 24 15:26:13 fxspec06: I really think that if the TP had been released at half the original price, lots of people should've bought them Aug 24 15:26:34 lol Aug 24 15:26:38 Alanrogers: Think of it in relation of the original device price :) Aug 24 15:26:39 too late, but i do agree Aug 24 15:27:37 do you think Apple hired shills to promote negativity about the TP? Aug 24 15:28:26 Nuttybunny - I'm the new generation of touchpad owners - too cheap to pay full price and too cheap to even pay the touchstone unless it was say £9.99 Aug 24 15:29:06 now that is cheap :) Aug 24 15:29:07 Alanrogers: LOL.. in time you'll see that the device and OS is really worth much more than what you paid for it :D Aug 24 15:29:52 You can see the cheap owners starting to appear on the forums "I already paid $99 for the device, now you want me to pay $1.50 for an app? Are you crazy?" - ;0 Aug 24 15:30:31 * halfhalo-work is almost free of the tyrannical grip of hpalm! Aug 24 15:30:32 well they should have gone whole hog and got an iPad Aug 24 15:31:00 i've spent about £15 on apps for my pre3 so far Aug 24 15:31:06 haven't touched the pad app store Aug 24 15:32:25 I had a look last night - any way to fliter out phone apps? Aug 24 15:32:46 hi. how can i get my ios on my touchpad? i want it to run faster and give me a giant penis Aug 24 15:33:00 that's how i get that, right? with ios? Aug 24 15:33:20 maik: there's an app for that ;) Aug 24 15:33:33 ya, and i need ios to run apps Aug 24 15:34:03 hmm, someone just left a review for clearview and I quote: "Was expecting this to make all cards see-thru, when it runs from the app, it only makes a single card see thru that you can't seem to do anything from...don't see much purpose in it. Hopefully I am attempting to use correctly, if I am, I don't see the value. Gave it 3 stars because it does do what it says... Would be great if it would Aug 24 15:34:05 work on all apps." Aug 24 15:34:11 How does he suppose I go about doint that? Aug 24 15:34:33 haha Aug 24 15:34:40 fxspec06: Perhaps the description isn't clear enough Aug 24 15:34:42 fxspec06: globally override opacity? Aug 24 15:34:57 yeah, i updated my review of the app w/ a rebuttal Aug 24 15:35:02 i'll be updating the description shortly Aug 24 15:40:00 maik: it's just not possible Aug 24 15:40:08 it's not an opacity thing Aug 24 15:40:10 not at all Aug 24 15:40:50 fxspec06: i was being facetious Aug 24 15:40:55 o ok lol Aug 24 15:41:04 good word, facetious Aug 24 15:41:08 i gotta start using that ; ) Aug 24 15:41:44 hey there Aug 24 15:41:54 so may touchpads are received Aug 24 15:41:54 fxspec06: So the idea with clearview is that you normally have lots of apps up preventing you from seeing your wallpaper, but this provides a "window" app that lets you see it? Aug 24 15:42:03 so than i ahve to fll laod it and than install preware or Aug 24 15:42:10 yep, that's it pakl Aug 24 15:42:11 to sue the "hidden" stuff Aug 24 15:42:23 Finish your rebuttal with "and with that, I bid you good day sir" Aug 24 15:42:55 fxspec06: be happy you're not getting iOS-style reviews. :) Aug 24 15:43:09 the only problem with it right now is detecting wallpaper change when in card view. i have it on a timer, but as unwiredben has mentioned in a thread on the dev forums, setTimeout has been disabled on non-active windows Aug 24 15:43:15 and setInterval Aug 24 15:43:34 rotation or max and minimizing will force a refresh Aug 24 15:43:35 fxspec06: "FXSpec06 is a liar and a scam artist and a thief." That's the iOS crowd for you. Aug 24 15:43:42 lol Aug 24 15:43:52 fxspec06: this guy seems at least somewhat balanced :) Aug 24 15:44:07 so if anyone has any ideas on hwo to detect a wallpaper change when in card view, i'm all ears (or eyes) o.O Aug 24 15:45:06 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do?storeName=storefronts&catLevel=1&landing=rts_tablet&category=rts_tablet&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/lateralnav_touchpads Aug 24 15:45:16 should i have save the complete webis before i tried with the preware things? Aug 24 15:45:27 they added 2 coming soon there Aug 24 15:45:31 "This is a great app but it does not currently have this feature, I have given the app one star until the developer provides it" Aug 24 15:45:50 Alanrogers: lol Aug 24 15:46:30 You see those sorts of reviews on the android market all the time Aug 24 15:48:10 http://xkcd.com/937/ Aug 24 15:49:42 CYeong_: Yeah.. averaging is not good, it's good to show the distribution Aug 24 15:57:21 why did the price go up for palm phones on hp.com? Aug 24 15:58:31 offer/demand Aug 24 16:00:57 <[owen]> anyone around? Aug 24 16:01:19 no Aug 24 16:01:25 I'm not Aug 24 16:02:00 <[owen]> lol, having a few problems with getting the sdk setup on linux Aug 24 16:02:14 <[owen]> i cant get apps to run when using elipse Aug 24 16:05:38 owen -- did you install the plugins Aug 24 16:06:10 <[owen]> to eclipse yes Aug 24 16:07:10 and you run by using the menu, "run | run as | webOS application" Aug 24 16:07:15 and it doesn't work? Aug 24 16:07:28 hi. is the hp webos bluetooth keyboard working with OSX as well? Would be nice : ) Aug 24 16:07:39 hey Aug 24 16:07:53 mcahornsirup: it's a bluetooth keyboard. it should work with any computer with bluetooth reciever Aug 24 16:07:59 should / will Aug 24 16:08:02 so, anyone use griffin folio for ipad1 for their touchpad Aug 24 16:08:06 its only 10 Aug 24 16:08:35 i wouldn't. i would only use a case designed for TP Aug 24 16:08:36 has anyone seen a TP that continually has the battery draining on...won't charge on the TS or with charger...and after you turn it off to save whatever battery is left....won't wake up after being on the charger for 8hrs? Aug 24 16:09:11 <[owen]> nope i get a connection refused error Aug 24 16:09:28 thnks Aug 24 16:09:33 fxspec06 why Aug 24 16:09:33 siestacat: I used my friends case that has a bluetooth keyboard in it similar to the griffin folio Aug 24 16:09:34 worked great Aug 24 16:09:41 cool Aug 24 16:09:49 I'll get that hen Aug 24 16:09:51 just gotta be careful with ipad1 cases Aug 24 16:09:56 why? Aug 24 16:09:58 make sure it's a slip in Aug 24 16:09:59 then* Aug 24 16:10:07 what do you mean? Aug 24 16:10:17 this one is like form fitting Aug 24 16:10:24 I'll link you Aug 24 16:10:44 kk Aug 24 16:10:51 seistacat: because it's an expensive device, and to use something that wasn't designed nor intended to use with is dangerous, and you could end up paying a hefty price for it at some point Aug 24 16:11:07 in the end it's your decision Aug 24 16:11:15 fxspec06 this was $149 Aug 24 16:11:22 just want to keep the scratches odd Aug 24 16:11:25 off* Aug 24 16:11:49 http://www.enlightenedfamily.net/wp-content/uploads/ipad%20griffin%20folio.jpg Aug 24 16:11:57 if it looks like that one it'll fit decently Aug 24 16:11:59 [owen]: you get a connection error? is the emulator running when you try to run it? Aug 24 16:12:11 just beware if it coveres the volume buttons it may be difficult to use them Aug 24 16:12:14 *may* Aug 24 16:12:20 and it'll probably muffle your sound Aug 24 16:12:22 [owen]: do you have all the correct novacom drivers installed? Aug 24 16:12:36 http://www.verizonwireless.com:80/b2c/store/accessory?&a Aug 24 16:12:36 <[owen]> yep as far as i know Aug 24 16:12:46 this one has openings where everything ia Aug 24 16:12:56 verisozon seems to be session based link didn't work Aug 24 16:13:05 if its$10 I say you should be fine Aug 24 16:13:34 [owen]: try going to run configurations, and check the default 'target' tab and make sure it says 'emulator' Aug 24 16:13:57 so $10 one will work? Aug 24 16:14:02 griffin lean folio? Aug 24 16:14:06 elan* Aug 24 16:14:10 [owen]: also make sure "copy projects to target" box is checked Aug 24 16:16:03 siestacat: i mean, they're similar dimensions. it will "work" in the sense that it will prevent your cats from walking over it when it's shut. just don't expect it to fit perfectly or protect it the same as a case that was designed for it >.> maybe it will, maybe it won't Aug 24 16:16:08 you can be our test dummy =) Aug 24 16:17:45 lol Aug 24 16:18:00 seems like quite a few tp users use this Aug 24 16:18:16 I don't wanna spend 25 to protect 149 Aug 24 16:18:47 we're a bunch of cheap bastards aren't we? Aug 24 16:19:04 though i did lol when walmart tried to sell me a 2 year protection plan Aug 24 16:19:13 i asked if they were going to replace it if it broke within 2 years Aug 24 16:19:21 LOL mail, same Aug 24 16:19:24 maik8 Aug 24 16:19:30 maik* Aug 24 16:19:46 hah - I had that as well - "do you want to buy this £108 protection plan?" - "Dude, it cost £89, do I look like I'm on drugs?" Aug 24 16:20:08 rofl Aug 24 16:20:31 Alanrogers, i had that at argos Aug 24 16:20:39 Good news for German early adoptors, HP have said they will refund as far back as 01/07/2011 Aug 24 16:21:02 Alanrogers, i'm waiting to hear some good news for pre3 early adopters Aug 24 16:21:29 the checkout guy said I wouldn't buy it either Aug 24 16:21:43 Surely something will happen there as well after they fix the sale price for that? It's shameful that they dropped the bomb the day after the first wave got theres! Aug 24 16:35:13 Alanrogers: just tell them you want to buy a second one Aug 24 16:35:24 instead of a protection plan Aug 24 16:36:34 morning Aug 24 16:36:44 dwc - hah! Aug 24 16:38:03 hello chuqui Aug 24 16:38:22 hope things are less hectic over there Aug 24 16:39:33 i was trying eurostore ireland, they ship to portugal Aug 24 16:39:43 so i think they will ship to anywhere on eurozone Aug 24 16:39:52 let's wait for the friday Aug 24 16:40:16 eurikso - who knows, they seem to be make up the plan as they go along Aug 24 16:41:00 i hope that on the friday that store doesn't have the price cut Aug 24 16:41:10 so i can get the device :) Aug 24 16:41:27 and later receive a refund, if the price is droped :) Aug 24 16:48:15 hey chuq Aug 24 16:49:01 I hope that the eurostore decides they'll ship one to me in the US :) Aug 24 16:49:36 i can have something shipped to london (or even picked up in london) but no pre3 deals yet? Aug 24 16:49:52 uhhh @HP allowed squatters to order LARGE number of touchpads and pre3s in Europe via phone (while online store down) Aug 24 16:50:03 this is all but great news Aug 24 16:50:26 might be worth ordering and hoping for the price drop rwatkins Aug 24 16:50:39 for the investment of two-way shipping in case you decide to return it Aug 24 16:51:52 hm. Aug 24 16:52:44 dwc-: eurostore pre3 out of stock - not so sure other stores will be so good about refunding price drop? Aug 24 16:53:33 i also think w/ my app I have a fairly good case to get a dev device from HP. Aug 24 16:53:56 not really pushing that angle yet, as they are clearly .. busy with bigger issues. Aug 24 16:54:35 wtf, now the touchstones are out of stock as well? argh Aug 24 16:55:02 buying a touchstone yesterday was Smart :) Aug 24 16:55:28 all the other stores are OOS too, afaict Aug 24 16:55:36 at least, the ones that I checked that shipped to me Aug 24 16:55:41 or rather, would be willing to Aug 24 16:56:13 my hope is that price drops will come before they get their stock and ship to me, so I'll have time to cancel if they don't Aug 24 16:56:38 waiting to see if datavis comes thru with their promised order on the TouchPads. Aug 24 16:56:47 bah, I might as well order one for $60 or more on Amazon :@ Aug 24 16:57:26 <[owen]> still cant manage to get an app to run in the emulator Aug 24 16:57:30 got mine for about that from B&H a few weeks ago. Aug 24 16:57:57 [owen]: did you check the target? Aug 24 16:58:18 always check the target Aug 24 16:58:21 and double-check Aug 24 16:58:24 just to be sure Aug 24 16:58:27 <[owen]> yep i did, i get default device or device name " " Aug 24 16:58:34 then squeeze the trigger Aug 24 16:58:47 you should see emulator Aug 24 16:58:52 whats the "back" gesture in teh emulator again? trying to support onBack in enyo Aug 24 16:59:04 rwatkins-mbp: it's gone, I think Aug 24 16:59:16 sugardave: ugh. lovely. Aug 24 16:59:22 <[owen]> nope, i havent got that option Aug 24 16:59:36 feedback from first beta tester for Pre3 version of Paper Mache "Back Gesture doesnt work!" Aug 24 16:59:57 you have apanta installed? and the sdk update link installed? Aug 24 16:59:58 oh dear Aug 24 17:00:05 i have eclipse indigo, 3.7 Aug 24 17:00:12 do a help --> check for updates Aug 24 17:00:19 <[owen]> yep done all that like Aug 24 17:00:19 you'll have to listen to that from Mojo, I guess :/ Aug 24 17:00:31 i'd try reinstalling eclipse then Aug 24 17:00:40 you'll keep your workspaces Aug 24 17:00:59 sugardave: I assume I can setup the listener, I had it when i was running 0.9 on the Pre2, but just need the emulator to simulate it. Aug 24 17:01:03 can you palm-install? Aug 24 17:01:09 or palm-run Aug 24 17:01:50 <[owen]> yes i can palm-install Aug 24 17:02:37 ah, so its "Esc" for back. just need to handle it and get it to not do "home" somehow. Aug 24 17:02:56 rwatkins-mbp: oh, I thought you tried that already :P Aug 24 17:03:14 sugardave: ya, havent emulated a phone in ages, forgot it was Esc. Aug 24 17:04:05 how about the latest java updates? Aug 24 17:04:15 <[owen]> i keep everything upto date Aug 24 17:04:20 x32 and x64 Aug 24 17:04:24 hrmm Aug 24 17:04:49 i would say reinstall, but that doesn't help find the problem Aug 24 17:05:02 so, what do you use for a word processor on webos? does anyone know if Scratch is the only viable option, and does it (or something that natively edits files) run on a TouchPad? Aug 24 17:06:51 <[owen]> tried reinstalling nothing Aug 24 17:07:49 or if there is a notes app that comes on the touchpad for at least writing offline text of some sort? Aug 24 17:08:36 bestbuy has disabled their online stock checker for the touchpad Aug 24 17:08:42 it will always say unavailable Aug 24 17:08:58 but some stores are recieveing stock today Aug 24 17:09:05 start making phone calls Aug 24 17:13:03 dawm_: bestbuy is receiving more stock....?? I thought they were sick and tried of the touchpad... Aug 24 17:13:20 apparently they made happy time with HP Aug 24 17:13:30 lol Aug 24 17:14:06 it was quite litterally a few hours from BB demanding HP to take em back Aug 24 17:14:18 and then wham on twitter saying theyre sellign them again Aug 24 17:14:19 I still can't believe I had one in my hand, and returned in to BB Aug 24 17:14:25 Should have waited 1 day Aug 24 17:14:26 fool Aug 24 17:14:29 :P Aug 24 17:14:41 i mean stores were telling people they were recalled and pulling them from the shelves Aug 24 17:14:50 then hours later putting htem back on the shelves and limiting 1 per Aug 24 17:14:52 wait a couple monts and they'll all start showing up on ebay. Aug 24 17:15:03 maybe eventhe mythical 64GB PandaPad Aug 24 17:15:13 dundundun Aug 24 17:15:18 costcentral was selling the white 64gb wifi last night Aug 24 17:15:20 rwatkins, you can order the 64 Aug 24 17:15:24 from hp.com Aug 24 17:15:27 I am trying to get a hold of one of those Aug 24 17:15:31 its buried under the education section Aug 24 17:15:32 for how much? Aug 24 17:15:37 i dont recall Aug 24 17:15:49 lemme find the link Aug 24 17:16:34 heh Aug 24 17:16:38 HP says COMING SOON Aug 24 17:16:41 isntead of out of stock Aug 24 17:16:47 ha Aug 24 17:18:09 ugh im gonna have to dig in my history Aug 24 17:18:13 i dont know how i got to the page i did Aug 24 17:18:46 or an unlocked 3G one. mmm. Aug 24 17:19:15 wait a while, much cheaper. like my NeXT cube. Aug 24 17:19:39 $10k at launch $300 with a NeXT Dimension Board, color display and all the works a few yrs later. Aug 24 17:19:50 nice Aug 24 17:20:18 nvm Aug 24 17:20:25 it appears the TP was pulled from the edu site Aug 24 17:23:27 Someone was selling the panda Touchpad? Really? I thought that was a mythical beast - such a slap-dash looking thing as well - "So we'll do a white touchpad but it's too much effort to change the front, just slap a new case on the back" Aug 24 17:24:08 the 64gb used to be on this page Aug 24 17:24:09 http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/sites/public_sector/Touchpad/index.asp Aug 24 17:24:13 but its a 404 now Aug 24 17:24:22 It was on the UK site for a bit with "coming soon" Aug 24 17:26:12 i think it looks better w/o the white frame actually Aug 24 17:26:38 and i'd match my white iphone 3GS ;) Aug 24 17:27:20 good lord, Touchpads = Unicorns Aug 24 17:27:26 I'm convinced by this point :I Aug 24 17:27:40 SineOt: doesnt look like that from my app download stats ... Aug 24 17:27:43 If I could get one, I'd drawn an actual panda on the back and then sell it on ebay "One of a kind PandaPad - yours for $900" Aug 24 17:28:00 rwatkins-mbp: unicorns have magic, y'know! Aug 24 17:28:08 Alanrogers: a decal would look better :P Aug 24 17:28:58 Sad to say developers will not see much cash out of me, I spend a £1.50 on Comicshelf HD but couldn't see anything else I want to buy Aug 24 17:29:24 I can't even find a Touchpad to buy, let alone to buy apps with. :P Aug 24 17:29:47 but people might call it the pPad Aug 24 17:29:50 hah - BTW, that's not a knock against developers, just nothing there that I could think of a use for Aug 24 17:30:17 It's almost as if everything is conspiring against me. Costco had a TON of them, probably 400+, but they all got shipped back to HP… Best Buys in the areas have only been getting maybe 10-15 units in stock and those go in about 20 minutes. Aug 24 17:30:18 the HP case for the TP is now $29.99 on hp.com Aug 24 17:30:42 onSale is dicking us around like WHOA with our order so now we have no idea if we're getting one from there or not. >:C Aug 24 17:30:53 hp is dicking me Aug 24 17:30:58 the touchpad case is $30 at office depot Aug 24 17:31:01 i ordered before the huge mess Aug 24 17:31:09 er, 20 Aug 24 17:31:16 my buddy ordered 2hrs after i did and his arrived toda Aug 24 17:31:20 mine hasnt shipped Aug 24 17:31:31 actually Aug 24 17:31:44 i ordered it for him thru remotedesktop cause he couldnt get it to reflect the pricing Aug 24 17:31:46 Dawn - I ordered mine in the UK online when the prices were rumoured to drop but hadn't yet, and banked on getting a refund - if I hadn't I'd just send it back (which reminds me where's dixons with my other touchpad) Aug 24 17:32:02 opps Dawm not Dawn Aug 24 17:32:07 :) Aug 24 17:32:18 one of the rare few that notice and correct themselves Aug 24 17:32:19 i like you Aug 24 17:32:42 Yeah, I've been following the SlickDeals thread and there's people who ordered after us with onSale but got 1 day shipping and have had them show up and even a few people who ordered around the same time but went with regular shipping have them arrive. :I Aug 24 17:32:49 We paid for 2 day and not a peep out of the company. Aug 24 17:33:05 they had something on FB Aug 24 17:33:08 onSale did Aug 24 17:33:10 I have a feeling they'll end up with Amazon banning them from the site and an FFF rating with the BBB. Aug 24 17:33:15 hey, mine is supposedly shipping tomorrow Aug 24 17:33:25 square: hp told me that too Aug 24 17:33:37 i want to believe Aug 24 17:33:40 Yeah, but it's basically been a crock of shit to put it nicely. They were supposed to contact everyone about their orders shipping monday… Nothing. Aug 24 17:33:43 but i ordered friday night Aug 24 17:34:01 Said yesterday that they planned to have all cancelled orders flushed and contacted by the end of the night… Nothing. Aug 24 17:34:01 still waiting to hear anything at all from onSale here... Aug 24 17:34:04 i ordered saturday afternoon Aug 24 17:34:30 the email i got from HP was just a mass mail BCC Recipents Aug 24 17:34:38 basically a blanket email Aug 24 17:34:57 Worst part is that even if we wanted to cancel the order, we have to do it over the phone-but onSale's phone lines have been dead for days now. Aug 24 17:35:02 I have yet to get any kind of generic email from HP Aug 24 17:35:15 square SMB? or normal HP Aug 24 17:35:22 We're sitting here cards at the ready for the next batch to show up on HP's site. Aug 24 17:35:26 SMB Aug 24 17:35:29 Not sure I can actually be bothered to go in to a best buy, but people are reporting seeing them there? Aug 24 17:35:31 mine was normal Aug 24 17:35:35 oh Aug 24 17:35:45 Thank you for your purchase of the HP TouchPad. Due to the overwhelming demand for this product as a result of the significant price reduction, we were unable to ship your recent order with our usual promptness. We expect that all units will be shipped by Thursday August 25, 2011 and you will receive delivery of your TouchPad on the appropriate date after that given the shipping option you selected at the time you placed your order. Aug 24 17:35:45 Aug 24 17:35:46 We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. Be the first to know when your unit ships by clicking here for your order status. Aug 24 17:35:46 Aug 24 17:35:46 We hope you will give us at the HP Home & Home Office Store the opportunity to serve you again in the future. Aug 24 17:36:04 pakl: depends on the store. They've had stock trickling in here and there but it's REALLY hard to get unless you're willing to line up in front of the store well before opening. Aug 24 17:36:21 I've heard reports of some people lining up at 6am (!!!) at the Best Buys to try to get one. Aug 24 17:36:24 yes Aug 24 17:36:34 bestbuy has glitched their product locator thing Aug 24 17:36:40 touchpads will always be unavailable Aug 24 17:36:45 but stores have stock Aug 24 17:36:48 some stores Aug 24 17:37:02 I kind of wish I waited so I could have gotten one from Best Buy Aug 24 17:37:02 limit one per Aug 24 17:37:10 instead of having to wait a week for shipping Aug 24 17:37:19 i wish i went to BBY when i was out doing arrends Aug 24 17:37:24 Our stores have been pretty terrible about stock. Had 22 of them at the start of this thing, those went in about 20 minutes… New stock arriving was about 14 units, from what I had heard. Aug 24 17:37:30 dawm|laptop: the online stock checker is a side effect of the site being down for maintenance last night... it's not up now because the regular site is back and there's no store-stock check because htey're not doing ship-to-store Aug 24 17:37:33 When I went there there was a sign out front saying they were out Aug 24 17:37:45 Some stores in the middle of no where back east have been getting like 120+ in new stock. :I Aug 24 17:38:13 I would call hp and cancel my order and run to best buy,but i dont wanna risk it Aug 24 17:38:24 run to bby then cancel Aug 24 17:38:30 or call bby Aug 24 17:38:54 calling is basically useless Aug 24 17:39:05 HELLO WORLD Aug 24 17:39:09 no one knows anything and above all else they'll lie to you just to keep you out of the store :I Aug 24 17:39:17 yeah Aug 24 17:39:23 hey guys, im trying to copy the kindle app off my touchpad, so that i can load it onto my uk profile, as its not in the store Aug 24 17:39:38 copy the folder Aug 24 17:39:41 rebuild the ipk Aug 24 17:39:43 i've created a us profile and got kindle install, and im connected via nova Aug 24 17:39:54 does anyone know where it actually installs to? Aug 24 17:40:45 i think its /media/cryptfs/apps/palm Aug 24 17:40:48 is that right? Aug 24 17:40:58 something like that Aug 24 17:41:15 cool, so i just copy it off Aug 24 17:41:23 repackage with palm install Aug 24 17:41:27 hard reset Aug 24 17:41:30 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Aug 24 17:41:32 d'oh. one of my pre3 orders got cancelled Aug 24 17:41:37 and then reinstall? Aug 24 17:41:38 I doubt that is going to work with the kindle app Aug 24 17:42:02 and not clear if the app requires services or stores data elsewhere you're gonna need. Aug 24 17:42:31 it's worth a try though Aug 24 17:42:36 sure Aug 24 17:42:42 is there no touchpad emulator yet? Aug 24 17:42:54 RobbieJ: there has been for months Aug 24 17:43:12 there is somone that's hacked sideloading to kindle - you may want to look for that article to see where files may be that you'll need. Aug 24 17:43:24 RobbieJ: http://developer.palm.com/ Aug 24 17:43:26 How are apps downloaded to the device, anyways? over https? Aug 24 17:44:11 SineOt: by "magic"! Aug 24 17:44:24 Hey anyone here use nomnomnom? Aug 24 17:44:27 rwatkins-mbp: those damned unicorns! Aug 24 17:44:47 Tibfib: I do but am at work without tp Aug 24 17:44:57 linuxjacques: how's your performance? Aug 24 17:45:00 I just got a touchpad myself Aug 24 17:45:16 Performance is decent here, pretty laggy in article viewing Aug 24 17:45:17 Tibfib: sliding the stacks is a bit laggy Aug 24 17:45:22 kk Aug 24 17:45:26 Working to improve that Aug 24 17:45:31 I think I have a bit so far Aug 24 17:45:32 :-D Aug 24 17:45:39 sliding anything seems laggy from time to time in unpredictable ways Aug 24 17:45:45 yeah Aug 24 17:45:54 Spaz, Paper Mache, nomnomnom, Email ... Aug 24 17:45:55 it doesn't help I have to render more controls Aug 24 17:46:30 hmm, right now I load more articles if you get 5 from the last one Aug 24 17:46:40 perhaps I should render new ones WHEN you get to teh last article Aug 24 17:46:47 kindle is available now? did i miss something Aug 24 17:47:05 Tibfib: youre using your own kind for this, not a virtual list? Aug 24 17:47:20 rwatkins-mbp: for the article previews I'm using my own stuff Aug 24 17:47:24 the card previews Aug 24 17:47:40 I have done SOME work trying to extend the virtual repeater kind Aug 24 17:47:45 but it didn't work out too well Aug 24 17:47:51 snapscroller suck soo much Aug 24 17:47:55 ^sugardave Aug 24 17:47:59 sugardave^ Aug 24 17:48:02 ^sugardave Aug 24 17:48:04 heh Aug 24 17:48:31 my new favorite thing is a virtual carousel Aug 24 17:48:35 ooh what's that? Aug 24 17:48:39 what is that Aug 24 17:48:43 lol Aug 24 17:48:45 holy crap Aug 24 17:48:50 by far the smoothest snap scroller kind in the sdk Aug 24 17:48:50 is that what I should be using in nomnomnom? Aug 24 17:48:54 (that I've seen) Aug 24 17:48:54 OH MY GOSH Aug 24 17:49:01 is it what I am using? Aug 24 17:49:04 a day ago i set up a prank site that looked like a hp site with the touchpad Aug 24 17:49:04 or should be? Aug 24 17:49:06 I mean, it has a snap scroller in it Aug 24 17:49:06 it's now viral Aug 24 17:49:31 Tibfib: sounds like it Aug 24 17:49:35 fudge balls Aug 24 17:49:42 the virtual carousel just hold 3 views, current left and right Aug 24 17:49:44 i gotta try that Aug 24 17:49:46 https://twitter.com/sirkneeland/status/106418153696919552 Aug 24 17:49:51 you know, it's like the carousel Aug 24 17:49:52 HP Canada is done Aug 24 17:49:53 but virtual Aug 24 17:49:57 i wonder how long itll take me to get one working. lol Aug 24 17:50:07 sugardave: oh, only 3 visible? Aug 24 17:50:10 how do I find out about more obscure enyo api features? "cd /usr/palm/applications ; ack " Aug 24 17:50:12 ERRR Aug 24 17:50:13 1 visible Aug 24 17:50:17 Tibfib: only one visible Aug 24 17:50:18 so much better than the API docs. Aug 24 17:50:18 right Aug 24 17:50:20 can you hack it to get 4 visible? Aug 24 17:50:23 ...3 Aug 24 17:50:41 * Tibfib goes to work Aug 24 17:51:01 Tibfib: you can proably make 3 virtual carousels Aug 24 17:51:02 Tibfib has a quest Aug 24 17:51:05 in one pane Aug 24 17:51:22 that seems odd Aug 24 17:51:40 why would I want that? Aug 24 17:51:45 well, what are you trying to do, have 3 independently scrolling areas in one pane? Aug 24 17:51:46 or, how would that work? Aug 24 17:51:49 no Aug 24 17:51:55 sugardave: have you used nomnomnom? Aug 24 17:51:55 okay, then nevermind :D Aug 24 17:51:57 no Aug 24 17:52:02 tsk tsk Aug 24 17:52:06 very busy :D Aug 24 17:52:09 I need a high performance horizontal scroller Aug 24 17:52:16 square: http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability-business.html Aug 24 17:52:22 i guess thats your email Aug 24 17:52:28 i need, i need, i need, what about what sugardave needs Aug 24 17:52:55 i need a koto player for touchpad Aug 24 17:53:29 Tibfib: ah, well I was thinking you could use the virtual carousel because it has a snap scroller in it and you could then make it not snappable...it SHOULD behave like a regular horizontal scroller then but give you the performance improvement I've noticed Aug 24 17:53:50 but I see where you're going now...your elements are not devicewidth Aug 24 17:53:53 sugardave: I just need to modify it so it has 3 views on a view Aug 24 17:54:14 OR I can put three articles per carousel page Aug 24 17:54:20 3 elements in a view? Aug 24 17:54:25 Tibfib: is the nomnomnom scroller anything like the spaz hd? Aug 24 17:54:26 but then I have issues when users open a single article Aug 24 17:54:27 yeah, I would do that :D Aug 24 17:54:33 fxspec06: whatcha mean? Aug 24 17:54:48 sugardave: when you tap on an article card, a full item view is opened Aug 24 17:55:03 okay Aug 24 17:55:03 lemme find a screenshot Aug 24 17:55:17 http://tibfib.com/wp-content/uploads/item-view.png Aug 24 17:55:21 in spaz you have three columns on the screen. so for nomnom you'd have like those three columns but you can swipe left and right Aug 24 17:55:32 so I need to focus the article in the left Aug 24 17:55:38 which I couldn't do if three are on a page Aug 24 17:55:44 I could modify the page Aug 24 17:55:48 fxspec06: yeah Aug 24 17:56:07 nifty Aug 24 17:56:13 hah Aug 24 17:56:20 talking about old computer/game places in another channel Aug 24 17:56:27 egghead software was brought up Aug 24 17:56:36 ironically thats what onSale used to be Aug 24 17:56:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egghead_Software Aug 24 17:57:18 sugardave: I'm sure the carousel is the answer Aug 24 17:57:24 just gotta find solutions to my other issues Aug 24 17:58:18 and then amazon bought it Aug 24 17:58:19 strange Aug 24 17:58:52 In 2001, Amazon purchased Egghead for $6.1 million. Egghead.com now redirects to Amazon's software pages. Aug 24 18:03:14 oh hey for all ppl complaining that beats volume is too low Aug 24 18:03:30 GET BETTER HEARING Aug 24 18:03:34 when you're listening on speakers, that forces you to turn the volume up Aug 24 18:03:44 that brings more power to the speakers Aug 24 18:03:45 Tibfib: +1 Aug 24 18:04:21 so when you turn it up to 60, and the volume is equivelant of a pre at 40, your speakers will have better dynamics Aug 24 18:04:30 because they have more power Aug 24 18:04:33 sugardave: ergg, virtual carousel almost works. Aug 24 18:04:39 just a random thought Aug 24 18:04:53 another issue is that in portrait mode, less articles fit the page Aug 24 18:04:58 so I'd have to modify the page Aug 24 18:05:03 i have to have music at one of the top 3 vol levels to be useful. so ... not so useful. Aug 24 18:05:09 hey guys Aug 24 18:05:13 hey twbbas Aug 24 18:05:19 I just thought of something on how to get netflix on webos Aug 24 18:05:23 solution - crank up all files via mp3gain. so .. again less than ideal for audio quality. Aug 24 18:05:25 you know how you can run ubuntu? Aug 24 18:05:25 hola Aug 24 18:05:34 what about running a virtualbox inside ubuntu of win xp Aug 24 18:05:35 ubuntu can't run netflix either Aug 24 18:05:41 VMCEPTION Aug 24 18:05:42 cwayne: yeah, I know Aug 24 18:05:46 twbbas: OUCH OUCH OUCH Aug 24 18:05:53 could it be done? Aug 24 18:06:05 you're starting to sound like Pat Aug 24 18:06:05 that'd be epic Aug 24 18:06:09 haha Aug 24 18:06:11 only if you have ARM WIn XP Aug 24 18:06:21 oh Aug 24 18:06:24 yeah, was gonna say, vbox is virtualization, requires the same arch Aug 24 18:06:25 well I'll look into it Aug 24 18:06:27 Greetings from Amazon.com, Aug 24 18:06:27 We're writing to inform you that your order 002-8320248-9150628 from onSale has been canceled because the item(s) you purchased were out of stock. Please return and place your order again at a later time Aug 24 18:06:32 well, well.... just received email from Amazon "we cancelled your order because the item is out of stock... sorry, blah blah" Aug 24 18:06:37 I'm installing ubuntu right now on my TP Aug 24 18:06:42 Bajan, ah, yes, the same Aug 24 18:06:45 sugardave: any ideas? Aug 24 18:06:49 I had one of my orders canceled, I'm hoping the second one comes through Aug 24 18:06:51 grrrrr Aug 24 18:07:03 twbbas: no you aren't ;) you're just installing some of the ubuntu files on it Aug 24 18:07:15 apparently when you hit "send to multiple addresses", it splits it into 2 orders Aug 24 18:07:15 waiting for HP.com to open up Aug 24 18:07:15 sugardave: I think I might be able to make my own "virtual carousel" Aug 24 18:07:17 NuttyBunny: yeah that's what I mean Aug 24 18:07:17 with 5 items Aug 24 18:07:20 hmmm Aug 24 18:07:25 maybe Aug 24 18:07:31 Tibfib: I'm pondering...I'm sure there is some wild hackery you could do...but it might be better to look at how the carousel uses its scroll strategy kind Aug 24 18:08:16 <[owen]> ok novacomd doesnt start Aug 24 18:08:32 <[owen]> :: Starting Palm Novacom service [BUSY] Aug 24 18:08:45 <[owen]> should be [DONE] Aug 24 18:09:33 yey, i think it's working Aug 24 18:09:56 i've removed the kindle app, and reinstalled from my ipk Aug 24 18:10:00 and it starts Aug 24 18:10:05 time for a factory reset Aug 24 18:10:12 what is it you're trying to do? Aug 24 18:10:16 I think I won't get a TP Touchstone at all... *sigh* Aug 24 18:10:23 get kindle onto my touchpad Aug 24 18:10:31 <[owen]> wait a minute Aug 24 18:10:32 best buy $40. Aug 24 18:10:34 admgecko: are you unable to get it from the app store? Aug 24 18:10:39 rwatkins-mbp: wait rly? Aug 24 18:10:40 dang Aug 24 18:10:42 im in the uk Aug 24 18:10:45 I should go to BB Aug 24 18:10:55 summatusmentis: really. Aug 24 18:11:03 I need to ask them about a refund on the price difference anyway Aug 24 18:11:26 i have 1, just bought 2 more. love exhibition mode on a TP. so useful. Aug 24 18:11:53 HP should keep selling TPs at cost and then make up the diff on accessories. Aug 24 18:11:59 I need to wait until I get paid though Aug 24 18:12:10 yearly bonus just came thru today. :) Aug 24 18:12:37 I have invoices I need to bill out Aug 24 18:12:44 except theyre selling it at less than cost Aug 24 18:14:31 in simpleton terms can someone vaguely explain what exactly an AJAX request is? Aug 24 18:14:48 dot dot dot Aug 24 18:15:25 office depot just changed my search term of "touchpad" to "tablets" Aug 24 18:16:21 like say for Digg, serverside uses PHP. i would be able to use an AJAX "WebService" request to get data from @digg Aug 24 18:16:30 PHP / PERL Aug 24 18:16:39 @digg? like on twitter? Aug 24 18:16:44 digg.com* Aug 24 18:16:58 do they have a public API? (I think they might) Aug 24 18:17:04 ajax allows you to request a url via javascript and get back the content of that url. Aug 24 18:17:13 they do, but it's written in PERL Aug 24 18:17:17 their serverside stuff doesn't matter Aug 24 18:17:25 whether there is an API for waht you want or what you do with that data has nothing to do with Ajax. Aug 24 18:17:25 do they have a web service API Aug 24 18:17:32 http://developers.digg.com/documentation Aug 24 18:17:49 PEAR Aug 24 18:17:51 http://developers.digg.com/toolkits Aug 24 18:18:00 pick your poison? Aug 24 18:18:03 ajax makes an HTTP request, their perl/php is going to be responding with something Aug 24 18:18:17 note that only in special cases can you use ajax on one site to get data from another site. Aug 24 18:18:39 webOS app being a 'special case'. Aug 24 18:19:00 You can easily install the Services_Digg2 package using the PEAR command line utility under Windows, UNIX, and OSX. Aug 24 18:19:17 Python 2.5 client implementation for Digg's new writable API created by the developers at Digg. It makes it simple to consume and interface with the Digg API. Aug 24 18:19:44 that just means it's an implementation of what you're trying to do in python Aug 24 18:20:48 i'm gonna try an ajax request and see if it responds Aug 24 18:23:45 bah, ordered my TouchStone from Amazon, hoping they get some on Sept 1 (yeah, keep dreaming)... they're supposed to ship to Mexico... if it works, fine, if it doesn't, well, tough luck :( I'd better go back to programming Aug 24 18:26:11 well, its factory reset Aug 24 18:26:27 time for the moment of truth, will the ipk work with my uk palm profile Aug 24 18:27:41 good luck! Aug 24 18:30:07 its installing..... Aug 24 18:30:53 NuttyBunny: ping Aug 24 18:30:56 icon's there Aug 24 18:31:01 IT RUNS :) Aug 24 18:31:01 twbbas, hey Aug 24 18:31:06 NuttyBunny: can I pm you real quick? Aug 24 18:31:15 sure Aug 24 18:31:26 any user agent mods for the touchpad? Aug 24 18:31:37 dgarbs, nope Aug 24 18:32:10 dgarbs: for what purpose? Aug 24 18:32:26 viewing ipad optimized sites Aug 24 18:32:35 getting past hulu limitations Aug 24 18:32:54 i think i'd be a worthy mod, if possible Aug 24 18:33:32 yey, logged in, can see all my books Aug 24 18:33:41 now just need to update touchpad to 3.0.2 Aug 24 18:33:50 and save the ipk in a safe place Aug 24 18:34:49 dgarbs: I think it's possible Aug 24 18:34:53 hasn't been done yet Aug 24 18:34:54 how do i make a oauth request Aug 24 18:34:56 tib u would know Aug 24 18:35:03 I think it has been done on <2.x Aug 24 18:35:07 thanks for the info Tibfib Aug 24 18:35:15 fxspec06: actually I have never used oauth Aug 24 18:35:22 read up on the documentation Aug 24 18:35:22 I'm sure with the hulu blockage, it's only a matter of time Aug 24 18:35:27 k Aug 24 18:35:32 then check out jsOauth Aug 24 18:36:06 grrr developing is such a slow process Aug 24 18:36:13 esp wen u want it to move quickly lol Aug 24 18:37:59 fxspec06: trying to cash in on all the new users? Aug 24 18:38:48 i'm just making a digg app Aug 24 18:39:04 for myself, but i'll probably let others use it. possibly for a price Aug 24 18:39:05 that's a bit of a niche given the downfall of digg :p Aug 24 18:39:26 who knows. maybe they'll revert back to v3 and they will get their userbase back Aug 24 18:39:33 (psh yeah right) Aug 24 18:39:37 haha exactly Aug 24 18:39:44 little late for t hat Aug 24 18:39:57 did any one see this http://amzn.to/ouGOMk? Aug 24 18:40:10 tablets are selling like mad now Aug 24 18:40:31 you're late to the game Aug 24 18:40:40 they've been on firesale for a while now Aug 24 18:41:01 yeah but to knock the Kindle off the top spots on Amazon is a pretty big feat Aug 24 18:41:36 sell kind for 1/5 the retail price and I'm sure it'd move back to the top Aug 24 18:41:40 kindel for $20. Aug 24 18:41:43 srsly Aug 24 18:41:49 kindle Aug 24 18:42:11 omg guys Aug 24 18:42:16 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 24 18:42:27 i got a pell grant Aug 24 18:42:32 not a loan, a grant Aug 24 18:42:43 for college Aug 24 18:42:44 grats Aug 24 18:42:46 congratulations Aug 24 18:42:47 thanks Aug 24 18:42:56 aren't those formulaic? Aug 24 18:43:51 not sure, i know it's based on income. but for one year, it's pretty relieving. and exciting Aug 24 18:47:35 summatusmentis: yeah but its full price at amazon Aug 24 18:48:24 it didn't use to be Aug 24 18:48:34 jszejner: it is now, yeah, since the stores that had it price dropped have sold out Aug 24 18:48:40 leaving only the full priced stores with it in stock Aug 24 18:49:01 I'm hopeful, one of my amazon orders hasn't been cancelled yet Aug 24 18:49:13 mine is still open Aug 24 18:49:27 but guessing it'll get canceled as well Aug 24 18:49:31 nice. im half tempted to buy one though idk if i wanna pay full price yet Aug 24 18:50:14 yet? full price is pretty much the only way to get them anymore Aug 24 18:50:28 allegedly HP home will have them at deep discounts again soon, but it's unclear when Aug 24 18:50:31 Our onSale order hasn't been cancelled yet… But we aren't sure if we're getting it or not. Aug 24 18:50:46 I've heard of 2 others that had their orders cancelled Aug 24 18:50:58 They've been sending out cancellation emails today though and we haven't received one yet, so fingers crossed. Aug 24 18:51:12 hemna: I ordered 3, but shipped them to 2 different places, which apparently separates them into 2 orders Aug 24 18:51:23 one of those orders got cancelled Aug 24 18:51:41 SineOt: yeah, I got one cancellation email Aug 24 18:51:50 hoping the other one stays open Aug 24 18:52:00 dang Aug 24 18:52:01 summatusmentis: when did you order, how many, and what shipping? Aug 24 18:52:18 I ordered 2, standard shipping Aug 24 18:53:04 SineOt: Sunday morning, 3 total (sent to 2 different addresses, 2 to one addr, 1 to another, the 1 order got cancelled) Aug 24 18:53:07 standard shipping Aug 24 18:53:16 We ordered 2 16gbs around 2:25 PST or so and sprung for the 2nd day shipping… If they DID ship, they'd be getting here either today or tomorrow. Aug 24 18:53:28 But without a tracking number it's impossible to tell. Aug 24 18:54:14 Can't even tell from reading SlickDeals if the 2nd day shipping is via Fedex or UPS. At least then we'd have a rough idea of when to expect the packages… If they do show up. Aug 24 18:54:17 I think Fedex jsut stole my tablet Aug 24 18:54:42 their website claims it was delivered without signature on my front porch 5 minutes ago Aug 24 18:54:47 jrabbit: ouch Aug 24 18:54:55 SineOt: my order would've been around the same time Aug 24 18:55:01 then again Aug 24 18:55:13 their website also has it leaving the depot then checking back in Aug 24 18:55:27 i think usps stole a mp3 player i ordered from ebay somone even faked my signature Aug 24 18:56:02 does HP insure their shipments if fedex doesn't figure it out? Aug 24 18:56:03 I had DHL leave a 250$ monitor on the curb once! It wasn't even in a brown box, it was in the big bright retail one. :I Aug 24 18:56:54 srsly I think I'm going to call hp and or fedex in about 10-20 minutes nd report it stolen Aug 24 18:57:33 unless the guy is so lazy he fills in the things on his scanner before even delivering them Aug 24 18:57:51 I'd believe that Aug 24 18:58:24 ^See above about DHL Aug 24 18:58:35 didn't even want to make the 20 foot walk up the driveway Aug 24 18:59:16 in the past though companies have been pretty decent about stuff like that… I had it happen to an iPod of mine. Then again with Apple they tend to go well above and beyond what they need to do Aug 24 18:59:29 Ah hell. :( Aug 24 18:59:37 summatusmentis: we just got the cancellation email from onSale Aug 24 19:00:14 >:( Aug 24 19:00:19 locally I've had problems with UPS leaving 630 dollar computers on my doorstep (in a not so great neighborhood) (in the rain) without even knocking on the door Aug 24 19:00:37 * summatusmentis holds a seance in the middle of the road to try and ensure that mine comes through Aug 24 19:00:57 summatusmentis: if you bought via Amazon, be sure to leave negative feedback with Amazon. The Amazon seller contract states that you aren't supposed to sell stock that you can't fulfill in a timely manner Aug 24 19:01:05 ahh onSale, go die in a fire. Aug 24 19:01:14 SineOt: will do Aug 24 19:01:22 I definitely bought via amazon Aug 24 19:01:31 yeah I already put in a report too, bastards Aug 24 19:01:38 And taking 72+ hours to cancel an order when Amazon provides us with a date that says it should be arriving today? Yeah, I'd say that's selling stock you can't fulfill Aug 24 19:01:55 Datavision sold me mine, and they didn't even have the stock in house, they sent me an email telling me "But we have a HP tracking #!!!" Aug 24 19:01:56 I've heard talk that they had 100,000 orders with only about 10,000 units in stock~ Aug 24 19:02:08 my amazon order is showing "likely to be delivered" between tomorrow and the 30th Aug 24 19:02:09 Selling stuff you don't have in house is bull Aug 24 19:02:09 it's a bitter pill to swallow when all these people are hoarding to sell on eBay and others are trying to buy for family etc Aug 24 19:02:23 Ironsight: that's what a drop seller does basically Aug 24 19:02:27 sephiap: how many people are actually hoarding Aug 24 19:02:27 but at least you're getting one Aug 24 19:02:41 summatusmentis: lots, if the slick deals thread is any indication Aug 24 19:02:43 summatusmentis: judging by eBay and craigslist, quite a few Aug 24 19:02:48 ugh Aug 24 19:02:51 they have been a few people who ordered 25+ of them Aug 24 19:02:51 I *should* have mine next week :/ Aug 24 19:03:03 what?!? 25? that's ridiculous Aug 24 19:03:11 someone had an order for 100 XD Aug 24 19:03:11 Datavision ordered about 7000 from hp Aug 24 19:03:14 * summatusmentis refreshes inbox again Aug 24 19:03:24 people who bought them to resell for a proffit should be stabbed Aug 24 19:03:30 ^this Aug 24 19:03:39 * oil has had both his orders canceled now Aug 24 19:03:52 yeah, I'm pretty bummed Aug 24 19:04:03 I would like to see them forced to eat the Touchpads they hoarded. Aug 24 19:04:05 if ours get cancelled, I don't know what we're gonna do Aug 24 19:04:05 tried to order self-pity pizza, can't speak french, attempt failed Aug 24 19:04:07 i thought HP was getting more today? Aug 24 19:04:07 they're sendign the driver back >_> Aug 24 19:04:12 going to be ultra bummed if I can go to the Feb 9th event to see the Touchpad launched, and then NOT get one in the end Aug 24 19:04:15 now no touchpads nor pizza. I am sad. Aug 24 19:04:22 Rumor is HP will have more tomorrow Aug 24 19:04:27 HP is getting more sometime today if the site and twitter accounts are to be believed Aug 24 19:04:29 so it Aug 24 19:04:32 ahh Aug 24 19:04:36 somewhere from 250,000-500,000 units Aug 24 19:04:41 wow Aug 24 19:04:44 then everyone should be able to get one Aug 24 19:04:46 but there's no indication of when or how many will actually be going up Aug 24 19:04:49 I hope so! Aug 24 19:04:50 is this US only though? Aug 24 19:04:54 probably US only yeah Aug 24 19:05:00 HP Canada is out for good Aug 24 19:05:01 They waiting on a boat from china? Aug 24 19:05:08 hope the hurricane doesn't nab em Aug 24 19:05:15 as I use a US prepaid card, and onSale still has $300+ pending on it, bastards Aug 24 19:05:17 Ironsight: I think it's probably a lot of the stock that got returned from retailers Aug 24 19:05:21 I have a US address for if HP US gets them :) Aug 24 19:05:33 I know Costco dumped all of their stock back to HP (asshooollleesssss) Aug 24 19:05:36 as do I, but if I can't use the funds on my card I'm a bit stuffed Aug 24 19:05:48 they had 400+ in stock the day before the price drop, but wouldn't sell any ;_; Aug 24 19:06:11 best buy was jerks about the whole thing Aug 24 19:06:16 Costco's loss.. they anyone who did have them got a lot of walkin traffic all days.. Aug 24 19:06:41 considering I have bought about 2000 dollars worth of stuff from best buy in the last month, makes me wonder why Aug 24 19:06:43 fingers crossed, still not cancellation email Aug 24 19:06:44 yeah, Best Buy was just confusing and then on top of that doesn't exactly have the most trust worthy employees Aug 24 19:06:52 Futureshop down the street sold out in 5min, but they had people coming in all day, have to assume a few got other stuff while they were there.. Aug 24 19:06:57 "oh we don't have any..!" Aug 24 19:07:12 BB has mininum wage employees like everywhere else, never trust them. Aug 24 19:07:14 SineOt: they would much rather buy them all then sell any Aug 24 19:07:31 wow that guy ran like hell Aug 24 19:07:38 at least they dont get to use their employee discount on them Aug 24 19:07:39 I got my g74 gaming laptop from them, then found out best buy version is gimped Aug 24 19:07:39 haha Aug 24 19:07:39 (driver delivered it_ Aug 24 19:07:45 * NuttyBunny sends flying kicks everywhere Aug 24 19:08:23 I lucked out and just got the dock cheep at Staples.. they finally dropped the price.. Aug 24 19:08:34 SineOt: I ordered shortly after https://twitter.com/#!/webOSquire/status/105388625985945600 Aug 24 19:08:38 huh?... on a TouchPad log: ROTATION DONE [ Jose <3 you all! SysMgr team is the best!!! 06/17/11 Bye.... :) ] Aug 24 19:08:51 NuttyBunny: saw that Aug 24 19:09:09 weird :) Aug 24 19:09:59 did you see the HP UK Touchpad tour videos? :] Aug 24 19:10:31 SineOt: great :D Aug 24 19:10:49 I wonder when HP is gonna kill the touchpad commercials.. I've seen one today already.. heh Aug 24 19:12:13 weird... nuttycam 0.0.1 worked, and 0.0.2 won't. I'll have to debug.. bbl Aug 24 19:13:18 NuttyCam? :] Aug 24 19:14:40 The only still picture app for webos? Aug 24 19:15:29 there are 2 Aug 24 19:15:35 NuttyCam and something else Aug 24 19:22:44 yay I have my touchpad its rebooting with config :3 Aug 24 19:22:56 does it chrage of computer's USB ports? Aug 24 19:23:03 I don't see any feedback that it is Aug 24 19:23:15 (I have a mac which should support extra usb power too) Aug 24 19:23:25 I don't know! Depends, I guess, on if it'll request more. Aug 24 19:23:25 * Ironsight plays the gummy bear song for his 13 month old Aug 24 19:23:55 hm it says it needs to be plugged nito its own charger to charge "reliably" Aug 24 19:23:58 :( Aug 24 19:24:15 ipoo can charge off my mac do they not use a standard method of askinf for more power? Aug 24 19:24:42 the reliably bit is probably to cover their bases since not every USB port will provide the extra juice Aug 24 19:24:54 probably Aug 24 19:24:57 no, they do, it's just that the device has to ask in the first place Aug 24 19:27:27 It sucks that the dock only charges when the tablet is in portrait mode :/ Aug 24 19:27:49 Seriously? No landscape? Aug 24 19:28:03 IT SUCKS THAT THE ANGRY BIRDS SOUND ONLY HAPPENS IN ONE ORIENTATION Aug 24 19:28:30 Ryoken|Desktop: doesn't it work in landscape? Aug 24 19:28:33 pretty sure it does. Aug 24 19:28:37 Ooo.. it works on only one landcape mode, with the button to the right.. Aug 24 19:28:44 try turning it 180 ... nvm Aug 24 19:28:48 I couldn't throw the birds in angry birds - it just keeps scrolling the screen Aug 24 19:29:09 Alanrogers: you have to hold the slingshot >.< Aug 24 19:29:10 doing it wrong? Aug 24 19:29:15 Alanrogers: sounds like a personal problem Aug 24 19:29:24 That''s a little annoying, as the HP case I have, when using it in my lap, has the button on the left .. But I can live with it :) Aug 24 19:29:41 cwayne: wish I could give you a rimshot sound from my app Aug 24 19:30:09 Hah - I've played Angry birds on Android and the PC so I know how to do, for some reason nothing seems to happen on the Touchpad version - maybe I'll need to reinstall it Aug 24 19:30:10 RIMSHAHT Aug 24 19:30:33 lol Aug 24 19:30:56 Oh and it's a shame that the photo gallery doesn't sync to Picasa Aug 24 19:31:20 IT'S ALL A SHAME Aug 24 19:31:24 LIFE'S A SHAME Aug 24 19:31:32 Alanrogers: This is Palm, not Google :P Aug 24 19:31:42 lies Aug 24 19:32:02 EdLin: You get around Aug 24 19:32:22 Okay, but seriously, my biggest want right now on my TouchPad is sms forwarding from my paired phone. Aug 24 19:32:34 it is pretty nice. Aug 24 19:32:46 I REALLY WANT THAT Aug 24 19:32:59 Running 3.0.2 update on my wifes just-opened touchpad.. Update takes foever.. Oh well. Aug 24 19:33:01 I wonder if it could be patched in while we wait Aug 24 19:33:15 bah, 2.2 doctor hasn't been released right? Aug 24 19:33:21 or the doctor that has sms forwarding? Aug 24 19:33:26 Does anyone know if the WebOS app store will be maintained by HP? I know there are alternatives that probably at some point will have to look into.. Aug 24 19:33:44 Khaytsus: it will be continued to be maintained Aug 24 19:33:57 no information has indicated otherwise Aug 24 19:33:59 I guess they will keep it open at some minimal level while devices are under warrenty Aug 24 19:34:05 Tibfib: that's good... time will tell what happens there I suppose. ie: App updates, new apps, etc Aug 24 19:34:23 Alanrogers: ummm Aug 24 19:34:30 They haven't abandoned webOS itself Aug 24 19:34:32 so app catalog is a go Aug 24 19:34:43 There have been a few app updates since the sale started.. so hopefully developers don't abandon webOS.. Aug 24 19:35:01 Wife got it for doing minor input into spreadsheets in her classroom and various media related stuff.. But didn't realize that the office suite in it is read-only... Aug 24 19:35:08 whats the best way to get a ssh client on my touchpad? Aug 24 19:35:23 Khaytsus: google docs will work on it. Aug 24 19:35:24 Khaytsus: allegedly document editing is coming soon Aug 24 19:35:32 Yeah because HP have shown that you can put your trust in them. Like the guys who bought Pre 3's and found them EOL before they were delivered Aug 24 19:35:38 as-in, within the week Aug 24 19:36:04 jrabbit: Cool deal. Haven't looked at the app store at all, figured I'd update it first thing since I heard 3.0.2 fixed some issues Aug 24 19:36:10 Huh, apparently you can get the 64GB White Touchpad for 250? Not sure where Aug 24 19:36:46 someone said Costco earlier? Aug 24 19:36:52 jrabbit: Oh, in the browser.... Right, she probably will not have network access all of the time. We'll have to see. Aug 24 19:37:04 $100 for 3g and 32GB? that seems like a lot Aug 24 19:37:13 oh wow, i realy suck at oauth Aug 24 19:37:15 not really summatusmentis Aug 24 19:37:25 $120 is for 3g on iPad Aug 24 19:37:26 something like that Aug 24 19:37:29 fxspec06: oauth sucks at ouath Aug 24 19:37:31 I guess so Aug 24 19:37:37 cwayne: lol Aug 24 19:37:49 i give up for now Aug 24 19:37:55 cwayne: Which and whose version of OAUTH? great thing about standards, there are so many to choose from. Aug 24 19:37:59 fxspec06: oauth + js === super suck Aug 24 19:38:37 summatusmentis: 100$ for 3G, 32GB, and GPS Aug 24 19:38:51 at least I'm assuming the 3G version has GPS Aug 24 19:38:57 lol. i'm trying to follow funkatron's implimentation, and it's hard. i'll just have to read and learn spaz i guess Aug 24 19:39:04 SineOt: oh, GPS Aug 24 19:39:04 Touchpad doesn't have GPS? Aug 24 19:39:05 yeah Aug 24 19:39:10 Khaytsus: wifi one doesn't Aug 24 19:39:13 Wow, wth :) Aug 24 19:39:24 Khaytsus get around? Most gadget geeks wanted a $99 touchpad, so did I. :) Aug 24 19:39:25 fuuuuck Aug 24 19:39:29 sugardave: y u no optimize nomnomnom? Aug 24 19:39:31 onsale just cancelled my order Aug 24 19:39:38 Khaytsus plus I'm a former Pre owner. Aug 24 19:39:40 btw: i have a 32gb wifi pad, and i used accuweather yesterday, and it found where i was Aug 24 19:39:48 and Centro, but Centro wasn't webos. Aug 24 19:39:48 EdLin: Wife got interested in it for some reason, got it on ebay for eh, $40 over fire sale prices with shipping, so not bad Aug 24 19:39:51 is there any way to still get a cheap touchpad? (EU or US) Aug 24 19:39:54 mots_: lalalalalalalalalalalala, mine is still open, stop telling me about them cancelling all these Aug 24 19:39:56 sooooooooooooo yeah the gps works in mine Aug 24 19:39:59 fxspec06: wifi networks can map to geologcation Aug 24 19:40:02 Khaytsus not bad for eBay. Aug 24 19:40:05 need it to test it my enyo app Aug 24 19:40:07 hmm i see Aug 24 19:40:10 fxspec06: that's not gps Aug 24 19:40:26 Khaytsus I guess Palm went out with a bang. Aug 24 19:40:31 EdLin: yeah, we hit a few places but it was too late, so next thing I know she text's me "32g off ebay $190 shipped" Aug 24 19:40:31 Muahaha, fear my wireless DSLR controlled with a Touchpad :p Aug 24 19:40:48 Shadyman: Bluetooth? Aug 24 19:40:52 GPS works on the 16gb and 32gb Wifi touchpads.. Aug 24 19:40:52 Wifi :D Aug 24 19:40:54 Khaytsus: it's the same on the iPad. 3G model gets an AGPS chip since often it's bundled onto the same board as the 3G chip Aug 24 19:40:57 Even without wifi. Aug 24 19:41:14 Ryoken|Desktop: really? even in airplane mode, it'll get a fix? Aug 24 19:41:14 The AGPS is actually part of the Snapdragon CPU, FWIW Aug 24 19:41:20 SineOt: Erokay.. one of my Android tablets has a GPS but yeah :) Aug 24 19:41:29 It works at my parents where there are NO wifi routers for about 10km ;p; Aug 24 19:41:32 *lol Aug 24 19:41:38 ah Aug 24 19:41:41 ok I'm wrong Aug 24 19:41:51 but it might be faster to do a MAC resolve then boot up the GPS Aug 24 19:41:54 That android tablet may have its own GPS system Aug 24 19:42:03 s/system/chip Aug 24 19:42:11 Khaytsus: you can do a separate chip, just Apple has always had the GPS and 3G modem on one board. I assumed from all the talk about the Touchpad that the wifi was lacking GPS and that GPS would be bundled onto the 3G modem board Aug 24 19:42:11 I was 95% sure there was no GPS in the wifi touchpads Aug 24 19:42:13 but I could be wrong Aug 24 19:42:24 yeah, that's what I thought too Aug 24 19:42:28 Shadyman: Sure, it does. That's why I was confused this wouldn't. Aug 24 19:42:33 summatusmentis: There's no satellite GPS, it uses AGPS Aug 24 19:42:51 That's what I'm sticking to until i'm proved otherwise :p Aug 24 19:43:22 Shadyman: I thought AGPS just triangulated your position based on cell towers or whatever, then connected to the satellites with a better idea of where it was Aug 24 19:43:23 http://www.dragonarmydropout.me/2011/08/getting-terminal-onto-your-touchpad.html so is this a good guide? Aug 24 19:43:27 and which ones were available Aug 24 19:43:43 summatusmentis: you're right. Aug 24 19:43:43 summatusmentis: In this case it triangulates based off of WiFi access points Aug 24 19:43:46 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Because-Girlfriend/232872403422710 Aug 24 19:43:47 haha Aug 24 19:44:08 Shadyman: Ryoken|Desktop just said he can get it to find a location without a wifi connection Aug 24 19:44:11 Shadyman.. then how does my GPS work in a wifi deadzone ? Aug 24 19:44:18 * Shadyman stares. Aug 24 19:44:24 Buh? Aug 24 19:44:26 I mean there are NO networks Aug 24 19:44:37 what are you using to see if it's finding a GPS fix? Aug 24 19:44:37 maybe none strong enough to show up Aug 24 19:44:41 if that's accurate, it's clearly not triangulating Aug 24 19:44:53 There are none, my parents live ona farm and there is nothing around. Aug 24 19:45:06 * Shadyman eyes Ryoken|Desktop warily. Aug 24 19:45:32 Rural Canada still exists :p Aug 24 19:45:50 Shadyman: and further, if there's no GPS chip, it's not AGPS anyway Aug 24 19:45:59 Hm. Maybe it uses cell tower triangulation? that'd be kinda weird though, as it'd have to be on-chip, since I don't think there is any cell-type accomodations at all Aug 24 19:46:19 I'd think it wouldn't have a 2G/3G radio at all. Aug 24 19:46:21 if it was using that, why wouldn't you be able to use 3G? Aug 24 19:46:22 Using Cell towers on a Wifi model wouldn't make sense.. Aug 24 19:46:31 ^ Aug 24 19:46:57 someone stick it into linux mode and probe around for some ttyUSB or other ttys that are active? Aug 24 19:47:17 They must just have a seperate GPS chip.. I mean you don't HAVE to have it bundled with 3G.. Aug 24 19:47:21 This update will finish someday I assume.... Wow. Aug 24 19:47:38 Ryoken|Desktop: Indeed. 3G is a totally new CPU Aug 24 19:47:41 Ryoken|Desktop: everything I had heard suggested they didn't Aug 24 19:47:42 summatusmentis: I'd bet that the AGPS with cell towers doesn't need data etc Aug 24 19:47:44 Ryoken|Desktop: No, you don't. most Android tablets have GPS, and they just download empheris data to speed up startup. Aug 24 19:47:47 but I could be completely wrong Aug 24 19:48:36 jrabbit: well, the triangulation is used to download the empheris data, like Khaytsus said Aug 24 19:48:41 http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1365&doc_id=232628&f_src=designnews_gnews Aug 24 19:48:48 summatusmentis: erm.. what.. heh Aug 24 19:48:49 so, you could triangulate, but if there's no wifi, you'd need a way to get that data Aug 24 19:49:10 Khaytsus: the triangulation finds a location, the empheris data helps find the GPS Aug 24 19:49:13 summatusmentis: empheris data = predictive data based on your location to speed up calculation of where the sats are, vs downloading the data slowly from the sats. Aug 24 19:49:17 Nothing to do with triangulation. Aug 24 19:49:19 yes, I understand that Aug 24 19:49:26 the triangulation gets you a location Aug 24 19:49:31 Hmm. Maybe the Atheros card is hiding something? Aug 24 19:49:46 Ah okay so you mean the GPS method itself, okay... Aug 24 19:49:55 Khaytsus: triangulation for location, get empheris data, then connect to sats Aug 24 19:49:57 Here's a better teardown. http://www.techrepublic.com/videos/dojo/hp-touchpad-teardown-and-hardware-analysis/6254112 Aug 24 19:50:02 so, no touchpad for me? Aug 24 19:50:08 summatusmentis: um. Yeah, we'll go with that.. Aug 24 19:50:46 so, my point is, if you're using a cell chip to triangulate against towers, in an area without wifi, you're still not gonna get empheris data if the TP doesn't have a net connection Aug 24 19:51:01 right? Aug 24 19:51:13 Yes, Android typically downloads it from ftp sites over wifi :) Aug 24 19:51:25 right Aug 24 19:51:38 Usually you get ephemeris data from the satellites :p Aug 24 19:51:45 Shadyman: yeah, if you wait long enough Aug 24 19:51:51 they burst transmit it every now and then Aug 24 19:52:05 but assuming it came preloaded with a satellite dictionary and has proper date/time set, it should be good to go Aug 24 19:52:18 though I think those dictionaries are only good for 30 or 90 days, no? Aug 24 19:52:23 so, either, the TP has a real GPS chip in it, or there's no way Ryoken|Desktop is getting a lock on his location without wifi? Aug 24 19:52:33 Yes, empheris data is really stale after 7 days Aug 24 19:52:57 I guess it's possible it caches empheris data as soon as it hits wifi Aug 24 19:53:55 tp has no gps chip Aug 24 19:54:16 er wifi tp Aug 24 19:54:39 does anyone have an extra touchpad he could sell me without too much markup? Aug 24 19:54:45 I'd really love to finish my xbmc remote Aug 24 19:54:46 ;D Aug 24 19:54:46 I'm still not sure how it could lock on at my parents farm then o_0 Aug 24 19:54:56 Ryoken|Desktop: Hax. Aug 24 19:55:16 Ryoken|Desktop: same way some people got android touchpads from bestbuy Aug 24 19:55:30 they lied? Aug 24 19:55:41 or just a weird config? Aug 24 19:56:47 Hmmm. http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-hp-touchpad/6253940?seq=66&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto Aug 24 19:56:51 What's that chip do? Aug 24 19:57:03 it's awfully close to an antenna connector... Aug 24 19:57:41 shady Aug 24 19:57:48 search google for touchpad gps chip Aug 24 19:57:56 and read all the articles that say the wifi has no gps chip Aug 24 19:58:19 What antenna connector? :) Aug 24 19:58:53 I'm confused then as to how it found the location then :/ Aug 24 19:58:56 http://www.cypress.com/?mpn=CY7C63823-SXC ? Aug 24 19:58:56 gah google is such a bad search engine hen you know what you want Aug 24 19:59:18 need chrome2webos :P Aug 24 20:00:11 Khaytsus: To the left of that chip Aug 24 20:00:19 the circular thingy Aug 24 20:01:11 User Interface Creator25 Integrated Circuit Creator25 Analog Creator25 1 Creator25 CSR Creator25 BC63B239A04IYBE Creator25 BlueCore6ROM - Single Chip Solution, V2.1+EDRCreator25 csr, 63B23, 9A04U, 824BF22 Aug 24 20:01:47 bluetooth? Aug 24 20:01:52 Sounds like bluetooth. Aug 24 20:02:29 Though they also make plenty of GPS-type combination chips *shifty* Aug 24 20:02:50 not getting any part hits on csr's website though Aug 24 20:04:01 Jesus christ, this update has been running for like 30 minutes and NOW it says it'll install _after_ I plug it in, battery is <50%. What has it been doing for 30 minutes?? Aug 24 20:04:23 Khaytsus: Plug it in? :) Aug 24 20:04:32 Obviously I did, but.. wth Aug 24 20:04:38 Khaytsus.. when I did the updates, the 16GB one did it in ~10min, my 32gb one sat for about 2hrs lol Aug 24 20:04:45 Geez Aug 24 20:04:51 To the wall plug or just to a usb port? Aug 24 20:05:10 Shadyman: Point isn't about the charging, it's about what it was doing for 30m Aug 24 20:05:17 I figured it was just their servers getting hammerd with all the new sales.. Aug 24 20:05:22 Downloading and unpacking. Aug 24 20:05:30 If I were it, I wouldn't try updating firmware/OS without a good amount of battery Aug 24 20:05:44 It _was_ at like 70% :P Aug 24 20:05:45 the xterm/xserver are pretty small.. nice Aug 24 20:05:50 heh Aug 24 20:05:58 Anywho Aug 24 20:06:04 brb time to see if HPShopping is less hammered today Aug 24 20:06:08 gah...my order was just canceled Aug 24 20:06:09 bleh Aug 24 20:06:34 In any case, i'm farily sure that there's some voodoo involved in either my touchpads of the map app lol Aug 24 20:06:55 Ryoken|Desktop: Maybe you got the special model with GPS, like the Indian dude who got the Android model Aug 24 20:06:58 ;) Aug 24 20:07:01 how do i mark all as read on pad Aug 24 20:07:09 I'm not that lucky.. Aug 24 20:07:25 I don't even know how I managed to get these two units lol Aug 24 20:07:31 nvm >.< Aug 24 20:07:40 who was it I was talking to about termikit? Aug 24 20:07:43 *termkit Aug 24 20:07:56 I tend to find that Wifi location is pretty darn accurate, but then again, I have an Android phone which is constantly updating Google with data, so it would be Aug 24 20:07:57 Store down the road had a lineup an hr before they opened.. the one I went too had people coming in, but no lineup lol Aug 24 20:09:18 I went to Best Buy on sunday morning 45m before they opened, 5th in line.. Aug 24 20:09:28 But they were only selling to people who'd bought online Aug 24 20:10:15 I was in line at The Source, but they didn't have any despite what their site said.. then I drove to Staples, and they had 2 left 30min after opening.. Futureshop had the lineup, with 20 people waiting for 5 touchpads lol Aug 24 20:10:49 Ryoken|Desktop: Staples here said they had 'em until like 20 minutes after opening. They had 'em listed at $50 on their website but I heard they didn't actually sell them at that price Aug 24 20:11:26 When I left here in the am, staples still had regular price on the site, but the store had been told to make them down. Aug 24 20:12:00 that's how it was on Saturday for us in Canada Aug 24 20:12:15 I'm in Canada ;) Aug 24 20:12:19 Ah. Aug 24 20:12:23 NS. Aug 24 20:12:31 Future Shop/Best Buy jumped the gun and dropped it friday evening. Aug 24 20:12:39 I think it was supposed to wait until sunday AM Aug 24 20:12:42 how do i know which webos version I have? Aug 24 20:12:54 jrabbit: Settings > Device Info Aug 24 20:13:02 ah Aug 24 20:15:08 I hope someone finds a way to support WLM in the messenger app.. ( properly.. not the futurepr0n way ) Aug 24 20:16:00 Ryoken|Desktop, phone? or tp? Aug 24 20:16:17 Touchpad.. Aug 24 20:16:27 hm no keyboard for xterm I guess I coudl use 3.0.2 :P Aug 24 20:16:56 got the ipad user agent up on running on my touchpad Aug 24 20:17:01 Ryoken|Desktop: ah, that, you'll have to wait in the queue, I still have 3 apps to release before I can work on the Messaging Plugins. But it's being worked on, believe me, I want that as well :D Aug 24 20:17:11 not all that helpful so far Aug 24 20:17:16 Nice to know it's gonna be worked on :) Aug 24 20:17:40 it's being postponed, but not abandoned Aug 24 20:17:49 (unlike HP) Aug 24 20:20:01 I really hope HP finds someone else to build webOS tablets.. would be a shame for it to die.. Aug 24 20:20:12 gogo htc Aug 24 20:22:12 Wife had an iphone in the past and has a lot of itunes music, is it easy enough to sync to the touchpad? Aug 24 20:22:44 NuttyBunny: I got ubuntu up and running. Install the lxde thing now :D Aug 24 20:22:58 s/install/installing Aug 24 20:23:09 twbbas, meh... ok, install it, you'll have fun :) Aug 24 20:23:11 HP Play? Aug 24 20:23:12 twbbas! Aug 24 20:23:18 Tibfib! Aug 24 20:23:25 hai Aug 24 20:24:08 hai Aug 24 20:24:29 Tibfib: Adora favors you :( My update still hasn't been approved yet Aug 24 20:24:43 she must have a thing for chocolate Aug 24 20:24:46 sorry :( Aug 24 20:25:01 I should add a chocolate game pack. Then she'll approve it faster Aug 24 20:28:17 So, is there a way to change the icons for bookmarks in the browser/launcher ? Aug 24 20:28:52 Tee-hee, finally got through to hpshopping Aug 24 20:29:11 my EPP order is still in place. They're dropping the TP to $150 Aug 24 20:29:48 I need a Touchstone Aug 24 20:29:55 best buy Aug 24 20:30:31 me too. Aug 24 20:31:05 * NuttyBunny is in Mexico Aug 24 20:31:14 You could take your chances at Best Buy/etc, then go back when the price drops and pricematch it Aug 24 20:31:27 but AFAIK the accessories haven't dropped yet Aug 24 20:31:32 I got mine for $40cad at Staples.. Aug 24 20:31:37 * Shadyman1 blinks. Aug 24 20:31:38 In store. Aug 24 20:31:42 Shadyman, accesories are at 50% Aug 24 20:31:44 wtf. Aug 24 20:31:47 hax. Aug 24 20:31:51 Online it's still full price. Aug 24 20:32:14 Stupid cordless phone. Aug 24 20:32:23 Phone vs Wifi... FIGHT! Aug 24 20:32:26 Keyboards were the only things still full price there.. and I didn't want one of them anyway.. Aug 24 20:32:45 of all the weeks for me to be off work at staples. Aug 24 20:32:46 derp. Aug 24 20:32:57 well, I go back in on Friday, maybe they'll have some left over :p Aug 24 20:33:09 Call them up and tell them to put one aside for you :p Aug 24 20:33:20 I could do that. Aug 24 20:33:24 That's what they did with the touchpads :p Aug 24 20:33:36 Or get someone who works there to buy one for you, and you can pay them back when you're there.. Aug 24 20:33:49 Actually, they only hold for 24h Aug 24 20:34:07 Assuming you know someone who works there heh.. Aug 24 20:34:22 heh Aug 24 20:34:27 I have the GM on facebook :p Aug 24 20:35:17 When I worked retail it was never a problem to get an employee to put stuff aside for another employee.. Aug 24 20:35:36 ^ Aug 24 20:36:00 Even if it was against the "rules" Aug 24 20:36:00 Though, to be fair, I would have bought the touchpads friday evening anyways, I was just saving the manager the trouble of pricematching :p Aug 24 20:36:10 Nah, they're pretty strict about the 24h thing. Aug 24 20:36:30 For the touchpads, it was more like a half-a-working-day thing. Aug 24 20:37:07 stupid xterm >_> Aug 24 20:37:10 But whatever, I got 2 touchpads and one service plan, so they're happy Aug 24 20:37:30 $20 to keep the managers happy is a small price ;) Aug 24 20:37:43 does the messaging app work in multi user xmpp? Aug 24 20:39:06 how much is HP's Personal Systems Group worth? Aug 24 20:39:13 onr: An asston. Aug 24 20:39:31 They own the majority of the PC market Aug 24 20:40:03 IMO, they're just goign to spin it off into, like, "HP Computers", kinda like Motorola did with Moto Mobility, etc Aug 24 20:40:34 PSG has very slim margins Aug 24 20:40:49 walmart has accessories marked down Aug 24 20:40:51 FYI Aug 24 20:40:58 They probably want to separate off the occasional losses on the PSG side from the wins on the IPG side Aug 24 20:41:00 * Shadyman1 shrugs Aug 24 20:42:01 ah, touchpad accessories are marked down online at staples too Aug 24 20:42:01 I don't know how HP's computers dominate.. when I worked at a school we would end up RMAing almost 20% of all HP shipments.. Dell was ~10%, and Apple was 5% ( but with Apple, they would deliver the replacement computer next day.. HP and Dell you waited a few for it to come in.. ) Aug 24 20:42:43 And I've never been happy with anything HP I've owned, before the touchpad.. Aug 24 20:42:50 Depends.. was this during the NVidia graphics card kerfuffle? Aug 24 20:43:09 otherwise, really, HP just sells a ton more, hence they have more that need RMAs Aug 24 20:43:14 * Shadyman1 shrugs Aug 24 20:43:16 It was never a videocard.. it was always mobo, or hdd, or whatever.. Aug 24 20:43:40 well, HDDs are made by samsung/WD/Hitachi/Seagate, but okay :) Aug 24 20:44:15 In theory, selling more shouldn't change the % that needs to be sent back.. It became a rule at the school that HP stuff had to be in by the beginning of summer, so those that would fail would do so before the beginning of the school year.. any computers needed during the school year would alwyas be Dell.. Aug 24 20:44:51 nod Aug 24 20:46:52 Meanwhile, in the Touchpad camp.. $15 for a power cable seems like cheap insurance Aug 24 20:47:11 ttp://techcrunch.com/2011/08/24/samsung-were-not-buying-hps-pc-business/ Aug 24 20:47:20 onr: Good :) Aug 24 20:47:49 I got a second one also, when I got the dock.. though I'll be honest, I didn't know the dock came with it's own cable/adaptor, I assumed it would use the one that came with the Touchpad itself.. heh Aug 24 20:47:50 kinda unrealistic, but I keep hoping that the PSG at HP will split off into it's own company and within a week start making Pre3s and TPs again. *stuck in fantasy land* Aug 24 20:48:13 RagingMind: That's a fantasy land I'll live in for a while, if you don't mind Aug 24 20:48:31 HP could start making webOS tablets again.. I mean what held them back was marketshare and price, HP now has some marketshare to build on. Aug 24 20:48:40 I always enjoy company :) Aug 24 20:48:51 All they need is to get a better pricepoint. Aug 24 20:48:51 I don't think their expertise is in making tablet-style hardware though Aug 24 20:49:19 the TP is a bit bulky, and the glossy back just doesn't make sense Aug 24 20:49:20 I think they want to court off the tablet hardware biz to someone awesome like HTC Aug 24 20:49:31 but it IS pretty... :) Aug 24 20:49:35 Indeed Aug 24 20:49:44 Though the TP Case should take care of that shiny back, no? :) Aug 24 20:49:53 Indeed, it makes me thing of a big iPhone 3GS.. Aug 24 20:50:02 Clean lines and black.. Aug 24 20:50:05 I've been setting my TP down on oven mits that are spread over my apartment until I get a case Aug 24 20:50:16 heh Aug 24 20:50:22 I've been setting it down on the cleaning cloth Aug 24 20:50:42 I got the HP case that folds up, and one of the HP bag things with the design on the side.. Aug 24 20:50:56 ah, HP Mini bags? ;) Aug 24 20:51:14 Or a shoulder/messenger bag? Aug 24 20:51:16 THe fold up case gets dirty when you use it as a stand, then rubs off on the screen when you fold it up again.. Aug 24 20:51:21 Mini bag.. Aug 24 20:51:27 is buying webos a reasonable move for samsung? they already have an OS called bada Aug 24 20:51:35 I have a carrying case from my netbook that I've been using, I just need some protection actually stuck to the front and back of my TP Aug 24 20:51:41 bada? It sounds bad-a. Aug 24 20:51:43 I have a WLM messenger bag I use for my Windows tablet heh Aug 24 20:52:08 brb going to call my boss-type-dude and see if he has any info on where to find a pre+/pre2/whatnot Aug 24 20:52:17 TBH I like Bell > Rogers, so I'm thinking Pre+ Aug 24 20:52:59 there's always taking a couple devices and franken-ing them together ;) Aug 24 20:53:19 hehe Aug 24 20:53:24 story of my life: https://twitter.com/#!/germboy/status/106455930287308800 Aug 24 20:53:35 are the pre2 and pre/pre+ cell modules interchangeable? Aug 24 20:53:38 yes Aug 24 20:53:41 Yup Aug 24 20:53:42 ! Aug 24 20:53:51 duuuude Aug 24 20:53:59 that's how people have been getting Pre2s on sprint Aug 24 20:54:00 that's hot. Aug 24 20:54:05 pre2 is a billion times better than pre+ Aug 24 20:54:08 k brb Aug 24 20:54:21 Shadyman1, ask around in #webos-internals and search the precentral forms Aug 24 20:54:24 *forums Aug 24 20:56:23 or just head over to the wiki, where it's on the front page Aug 24 20:56:39 that too Aug 24 20:57:29 Tibfib: yes Aug 24 20:57:35 wow precentral is so crowded Aug 24 20:57:41 it needs more forums Aug 24 20:58:49 ?touchpad Aug 24 20:59:03 precentral sucks at all Aug 24 20:59:23 read these topics: Aug 24 20:59:24 http://www.precentral.net/webos-o-s-campaign-save-our-platform Aug 24 20:59:32 http://www.precentral.net/switching-away-webos-spe-has-you-covered-1 Aug 24 21:00:50 sucks at all? Aug 24 21:01:28 so...the touchpad can't play html5 video? Aug 24 21:01:46 it can't? Aug 24 21:02:17 hang on a second Aug 24 21:02:50 do you t hink ipad user agent would cause youtube to serve up html5 vids? Aug 24 21:03:48 i think you need to go to youtube.com/html5 to opt in first Aug 24 21:04:14 ok, lets see Aug 24 21:04:30 has anyone tried it on a stock touchpad? Aug 24 21:05:08 on chrome it shows you what your browser supports, and gives you a link to opt-in Aug 24 21:06:07 did smo read smth. about developers on "webOSCOnnect"? Aug 24 21:06:25 'cause i was interviewed per mail just 1 day before the great bash (thursday) Aug 24 21:07:39 youtube.com/html5 says it supports it.. Aug 24 21:07:43 Just not webm Aug 24 21:07:56 Video Tag and h.264 are good to go. Aug 24 21:08:08 yep Aug 24 21:08:12 looks good actually Aug 24 21:08:29 it launches the streaming player Aug 24 21:08:38 Anything that lets me not use flash is a good thing. Aug 24 21:08:47 doesn't appear to be playing though O_o Aug 24 21:08:54 though a lot of youtube content is not actually supported Aug 24 21:09:37 yeah Aug 24 21:09:45 but it doesnt look like html5 is playing Aug 24 21:09:58 :( Aug 24 21:10:04 one more try Aug 24 21:10:24 Tibfib: its kinda weird since the same guy wrote "if you think webos sucks, visit our android/iphone/blabla central" and "save our webos" Aug 24 21:10:30 So apparently you can use a Pre2 from Rogers on Bell with a Bell SIM card, you just need to unlock it Aug 24 21:10:35 onr: oh Aug 24 21:10:38 no, not really Aug 24 21:10:44 he wants to keep webOS alive Aug 24 21:10:53 but he also wants to keep users to the network Aug 24 21:11:18 "There was an error playing the file" Aug 24 21:11:23 no html5 from youtube anyway Aug 24 21:11:50 Hello. Could someone provide links to howtos on web apps conversion to webos? It's unclear to me if we can keep all our js/css libs in head or if we need to use depend.js Aug 24 21:12:07 dgarbs: maybe worth trying one of the basic html5 video tests on the web Aug 24 21:13:06 * PatrickC_TP has all the touchpad accessories now :) Aug 24 21:13:32 magic Aug 24 21:13:41 office depot had a sale Aug 24 21:13:41 Tibfib: guess what I'm doing Aug 24 21:14:03 I decided to not get the keyboard.. I rather like the Touchpad's onscreen keyboard.. Aug 24 21:14:23 dgarbs: http://www.jplayer.org/latest/demo-01-video-supplied-m4v/ Aug 24 21:14:26 Tibfib: Nomnomnomnomnom Aug 24 21:14:34 does it work? Aug 24 21:14:36 In an emergency I could use my MS Bluetooth keyboard I guess.. I have that for my Windows tablet.. Aug 24 21:14:38 I like the VKB, but I like a real in better Aug 24 21:14:43 tomhut: get a touchpad ??? Aug 24 21:15:00 Tibfib: yes :D case and touchstone with it at a very nice discount Aug 24 21:15:01 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis, nomnomnom beta heading your way Aug 24 21:15:06 tomhut: awesome! Aug 24 21:15:09 get nomnomnom? Aug 24 21:15:11 Tibfib: pre 3 coming later in the week/next week Aug 24 21:15:20 Tibfib: first thing I did after updating to 3.0.2 Aug 24 21:15:21 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis, focusing on performance Aug 24 21:15:24 tomhut: :) Aug 24 21:15:26 excellent Aug 24 21:15:27 can't wait Aug 24 21:15:31 and Rimshaht? Aug 24 21:15:34 :-P Aug 24 21:15:40 still waiting on two images from dan Aug 24 21:15:42 Tibfib: will watch/clone the repo tonight Aug 24 21:15:44 he may have missed my email Aug 24 21:15:53 tomhut: I can give you private feed access Aug 24 21:15:56 email me Aug 24 21:15:59 nomnomnomRSS at gmail Aug 24 21:16:25 strange Aug 24 21:16:31 havent had a credit card in ages Aug 24 21:16:41 just got one today and per the usual call and activate the card Aug 24 21:16:48 i thought it was automated but nope Aug 24 21:16:54 rang straight thru to a csr Aug 24 21:16:59 annoying Aug 24 21:17:18 Tibfib: done Aug 24 21:17:29 tomhut: thanks I'll send over the deets Aug 24 21:18:04 Tibfib: thanks! Aug 24 21:19:38 Tibfib: got a couple of apps I want to blast out, will try get it authorised on company time once iv finished this iPad app in nov. Aug 24 21:20:02 nice Aug 24 21:20:05 didn't know you were a dev Aug 24 21:21:28 Tibfib: yes, iOS stuff mainly. Aug 24 21:21:46 nice Aug 24 21:22:39 well, I g2g. just dropped in to say hi Aug 24 21:22:50 PatrickC_TP: cya Aug 24 21:22:59 cya tomhut Aug 24 21:24:05 App recommendations from the group? Aug 24 21:24:18 For touchpad Aug 24 21:24:43 wordpress Aug 24 21:24:46 and nomnomnnom Aug 24 21:24:47 box.net is essential Aug 24 21:24:50 Angry birds Aug 24 21:24:51 gemini is pretty good Aug 24 21:25:06 paper mache is awesome if you're into instapaper Aug 24 21:25:12 Tibfib: will get it Aug 24 21:25:20 wow, there's a hurricane coming to massachusetts friday Aug 24 21:25:24 saturday* Aug 24 21:25:25 tea reader :P Aug 24 21:25:32 dgarbs: haters gonna hate Aug 24 21:25:36 hahaha Aug 24 21:25:37 dgarbs: have you tried nomnomnom? Aug 24 21:25:47 yes Aug 24 21:25:55 what would you like to see from it? Aug 24 21:26:05 i just like the simplicity of tea reader more Aug 24 21:26:09 your app is beautiful though Aug 24 21:26:15 a nonanswer Aug 24 21:26:17 just doesn't match the way i read feeds as much Aug 24 21:26:17 ;P Aug 24 21:26:25 dgarbs: you can use vertical lists now Aug 24 21:26:29 o rly? Aug 24 21:26:31 if that's what you were waiting for Aug 24 21:26:32 yeah Aug 24 21:26:38 they aren't fully fleshed out, but they work Aug 24 21:26:38 Tibfib: oooo Aug 24 21:26:39 do you have slide to mark as read? Aug 24 21:26:42 ever see reeder on ios? Aug 24 21:26:49 dgarbs: it does not Aug 24 21:27:03 i kind of like that feature, although tapping is easier i suppose Aug 24 21:27:15 I'll look into it Aug 24 21:27:19 part of me likes to dismiss an item without even having to load it in the pane though Aug 24 21:27:28 however, it WILL mark items as read as you scroll Aug 24 21:27:34 (as an option) Aug 24 21:27:39 i'll give it another go tonight Aug 24 21:27:41 Thanks for the suggestions everyone Aug 24 21:27:44 i saw that it was updated but not much more Aug 24 21:27:54 dgarbs: please let me know what else you would like to see from it Aug 24 21:28:00 will do Aug 24 21:28:10 it's your audience that nomnomnom lacks; that I'd like to match Aug 24 21:28:17 s/match/gain/ Aug 24 21:28:31 honestly, i love reeder on the iphone Aug 24 21:28:34 haven't tried it on an ipad Aug 24 21:28:37 that's what I come from Aug 24 21:28:40 ah Aug 24 21:28:43 never used it Aug 24 21:28:51 is there a lite version? Aug 24 21:29:07 not sure Aug 24 21:29:10 i don't think so Aug 24 21:29:33 I'll make an effort to use your app and see if I can recommend some stuff Aug 24 21:29:47 dgarbs: please do Aug 24 21:29:54 nomnomnomrss at gmail is best Aug 24 21:31:39 Can we leave js libs in head or do we have to add them to depend.js? Aug 24 21:31:51 Tibfib: nomnomnom can roundhouse kick chuck norris Aug 24 21:32:17 retweeted Aug 24 21:32:18 ;) Aug 24 21:33:05 Tibfib: haha, done Aug 24 21:33:19 no, I meant I retweeted that Aug 24 21:33:33 but you are welcome to Aug 24 21:33:34 hah Aug 24 21:33:54 I retweeted you Aug 24 21:34:30 Yo dawg.. We heard you like to retweet... Aug 24 21:34:56 anyone was able to add australia / new zealand via metaupdate? Aug 24 21:35:15 to paid apps as distribution place? Aug 24 21:35:29 um Aug 24 21:35:31 had to do full update. Aug 24 21:35:45 ok.. i need to talk to someone at HP now Aug 24 21:35:47 my TP shipped Aug 24 21:35:52 but the tracking shows it was delievered Aug 24 21:35:54 awesome: http://fgnass.github.com/spin.js/ Aug 24 21:35:57 to a completely different state Aug 24 21:37:27 dawm_: its a new feature HP offer Aug 24 21:37:35 dawm_: its called shipping roulette Aug 24 21:37:47 dawm_: they used a smiler process to select their new CEO Aug 24 21:37:48 lol http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/24/hulu-blocks-hp-touchpad/ Aug 24 21:37:54 "HP TouchPad finally popular enough to be blocked by Hulu" Aug 24 21:37:57 dawm_: and which departments to close down Aug 24 21:38:00 hahahaha Aug 24 21:38:09 Well done guys! Aug 24 21:38:47 we are now in the same bucket as google tv *shudder* Aug 24 21:39:43 i wonder if that HP calc will be on firesale too Aug 24 21:40:38 Tibfib: yep, great. Aug 24 21:40:42 but old :) Aug 24 21:40:51 ;P Aug 24 21:41:08 . Aug 24 21:41:34 Tibfib: pro-tip: as metaupdate doesn't offer you australia and new zealand for nomnomnom, do a ful update and add them Aug 24 21:41:42 to be one of the first paid apps there :) Aug 24 21:41:49 leiru: oh sweet Aug 24 21:41:50 will do Aug 24 21:41:52 as = if Aug 24 21:42:00 I should have a new update out soon Aug 24 21:42:01 anyone with touchpads care to comment on the touchpad->touchpad skype experience? i see anecdotal stuff that it's a bit "choppy", but if so how "choppy" are we talking about? Aug 24 21:42:10 oh nice Aug 24 21:42:12 i tried yesterday a meta update and it wasnt offered Aug 24 21:42:14 the tracking number they gave me Aug 24 21:42:19 is for a package from 2010.. Aug 24 21:42:19 its choppy event between TP <-> PC Aug 24 21:42:20 but today with full update i am able to Aug 24 21:42:26 s/event/even/ Aug 24 21:42:32 my TP shipped last year to the wrong person? Aug 24 21:42:46 lol Aug 24 21:43:02 like enough it'd be frustrating? have been thinking i'd buy one for the wife and one for her mother as dedicated skype tablets, but now i'm dubious Aug 24 21:43:12 lol Aug 24 21:43:38 only done it once or twice. audio was fine, video was ... poor. Aug 24 21:44:17 dawm_: LOL. Tracking numbers are often reused Aug 24 21:44:17 i can usually take crappy video if the audio is ok when on skype. but maybe not the wife or mom dunno. Aug 24 21:44:23 http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq323/sheldo13/P1070701.jpg Aug 24 21:44:28 thinking of getting this for winter, only $700 Aug 24 21:44:31 hooptie Aug 24 21:44:35 cut up some number decals for the doors Aug 24 21:44:48 dawm_: Well, no one can say they didn't see you Aug 24 21:44:52 paint it red and put some lightning mcqueen decals on it Aug 24 21:45:08 dawm_: I don't think HP calculators is part of the palm unit or pc group Aug 24 21:45:43 well i figure, its gonna cost me atleast 600 for winter tires/rims, plus a new alignment since id have to raise my car up to clear snow, plus the wear and tear from salt/snow Aug 24 21:45:53 id be better parking the sti and driving a beater Aug 24 21:45:56 salt is a killer Aug 24 21:46:19 haha http://www.joeydevilla.com/2011/08/24/hipster-dog-comments-on-yesterdays-earthquake/ Aug 24 21:48:26 calculators are listed under PSG Aug 24 21:49:07 (fwiw) but it's only the tablet + phone hardware they're getting out of, the fate of the other PSG items is unknown atm Aug 24 21:49:38 http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-information/analyst-relations/index.html has enough info to figure out the rough breakdown of product lines by business groups Aug 24 21:50:57 oh, bummer Aug 24 21:51:17 according to annual report PSG covers everything except basically servers + printers + networking gear + software, in a nutshell Aug 24 21:51:19 though, I guess not that I'm using any of the HP calcs I have now Aug 24 21:51:55 thanks rwatkins-mpb, since getting touchpads is such a guessing game at this point i'll wait and see for myself Aug 24 21:52:18 dawm_: I thought you already had a neon? Aug 24 21:52:23 RT iirc Aug 24 21:52:29 yes Aug 24 21:52:35 not a winter one Aug 24 21:52:41 oh Aug 24 21:52:45 that one has no heat, no insulation, no nothing Aug 24 21:52:54 \/\/\/\/\? Aug 24 21:53:08 at most ive owned 3 neons at once Aug 24 21:53:19 wtf? Aug 24 21:53:38 ive had like 7 i think Aug 24 21:53:46 a dodge neon for every season? Aug 24 21:53:57 not all at once Aug 24 21:54:29 you ever owned the original plymouth ones? Aug 24 21:54:32 had a 98 w/ the gf, then i got a 97 , traded that for a 02, bought a 95 then sold it, bought a 98 for my mom, bought my 98 thats in the garage Aug 24 21:54:36 those looked so rinky dink Aug 24 21:54:39 same car different decals Aug 24 21:54:53 How reliable is the simulator in terms of CSS support? Aug 24 21:54:59 interfaSys: very Aug 24 21:54:59 there was no difference between the plymouths or the dodges Aug 24 21:55:09 hulu works with the user agent patch Aug 24 21:55:11 for the alarm service, i understand the minimum interval is 5 min? Aug 24 21:55:16 dgarbs: oh? Aug 24 21:55:20 rwatkins: correct Aug 24 21:55:21 nvm, i lied Aug 24 21:55:25 want code to cheat that? Aug 24 21:55:33 but can you circumvent this by using teh calendar version and set it to 2 sec from 'now' ? Aug 24 21:55:37 yes Aug 24 21:56:02 what does hulu use to to do its blocking? Aug 24 21:56:06 ok. i want logout to close and restart my app, so ... going to window.close after i set a launch alarm. :) Aug 24 21:56:06 dawm_: you got pics of your 98? Aug 24 21:56:13 Tibfib: thx. Aug 24 21:56:15 are you on facebook? Aug 24 21:56:17 i have some there Aug 24 21:56:25 rwatkins-mpb: http://pastebin.com/kkueiRGb Aug 24 21:56:28 hi all Aug 24 21:56:33 link? Aug 24 21:56:38 anyone got a hold of a pre3 ? Aug 24 21:56:40 1 sec Aug 24 21:56:42 talking to HP Aug 24 21:56:46 Tibfib: seems that today only a metaupdate is needed Aug 24 21:56:52 I was wondering why I wasn't seeing the familiar faces Aug 24 21:56:56 leiru: oh really? Aug 24 21:56:56 I was in the wrong chatroom lol Aug 24 21:56:59 I'll do that now Aug 24 21:57:04 you will need the old screenshots and have to set your marks on australia and new zealand Aug 24 21:57:04 my onSale order hasn't been canceled yet! Aug 24 21:57:08 Thank you Tibfib. A bummer about missing shadows and masks... Aug 24 21:57:17 Tibfib: woot, thx! Aug 24 21:57:19 interfaSys: yeah :/ Aug 24 21:57:23 akanster my onSale order shipped!!! Aug 24 21:57:27 rwatkins-mpb: np, thank haeffb for that Aug 24 21:57:28 call the number and they will tell you Aug 24 21:57:31 I've read about battery and signal strength issue, wanted to get more reviews Aug 24 21:57:35 akanster, http://www.facebook.com/dawmd, friend me or dig thru the photos i believe their public Aug 24 21:57:41 ziplock503: did you order via Amazon? Aug 24 21:57:42 haeffb: woot, thx! Aug 24 21:57:43 I think I'm going to rewrite the mojo emu Aug 24 21:57:50 if you call macmall they can tell you if your order was shipped out canceled Aug 24 21:57:52 ya amazon Aug 24 21:57:57 -800-760-0300 Aug 24 21:57:58 Tibfib: yes, did an full update and after that an meta update... yesterday tried to add them by meta update (wasnt able) Aug 24 21:57:58 LarrySteeze: oh? Aug 24 21:58:02 macmall ^ Aug 24 21:58:24 and the to call onSal (1 hour wait time) its the same number but 888 instead of 800 lol Aug 24 21:58:27 well...not a complete rewrite. It just bothers me that it loads mojo apps in such a small state Aug 24 21:58:48 ziplock503: meh, no time to stay on hold. Thanks though. I'll just wait for it Aug 24 21:58:52 onSale will give you tracking # macmall can only tell you if its been shipped or canceld Aug 24 21:58:59 macmall has zero hold time Aug 24 21:59:03 call!! Aug 24 21:59:05 fyi, I'm looking for a solid pdk dev to work on some projects with Aug 24 21:59:09 -800-760-0300 Aug 24 21:59:12 let me know if you want to help! Aug 24 21:59:19 what kind of projects? Aug 24 21:59:20 (partnership, split profits) Aug 24 21:59:27 LarrySteeze: pm if interested ;) Aug 24 21:59:45 now if i can only get my asktp tracking # Aug 24 22:00:34 ziplock503: thanks macmall Aug 24 22:00:42 no prob Aug 24 22:00:54 ziplock503: I meant, that's macmall Aug 24 22:01:29 akanster, https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1028713951966.5549.1048858191&type=1 Aug 24 22:01:36 looks like hulu blocks based on the flash player Aug 24 22:01:39 how dirty Aug 24 22:01:42 some but definitely not all my pictures of it Aug 24 22:02:11 macmall is onsale same company Aug 24 22:02:19 really? Aug 24 22:02:31 ya Aug 24 22:02:35 the CSR said they weren't, wished me a happy afternoon and hung up Aug 24 22:02:38 they share stock Aug 24 22:02:38 dgarbs: dirty dirty Aug 24 22:02:51 actually Aug 24 22:02:59 onsale merged with egghead software back in 2000 Aug 24 22:03:01 just call and say i wanna check my order and then give them the amzon order # Aug 24 22:03:03 then amazon bought egghead software Aug 24 22:03:07 so really onsale is amazon Aug 24 22:03:25 whatevas the sites look the same as each other Aug 24 22:04:09 macmall can only tell you if its shipped or canceld ... but onSale 888-760-0300 can give you tracking # if you wait on hold for an hour Aug 24 22:04:24 yay, onsale/amazon shipped Aug 24 22:04:28 woot Aug 24 22:04:30 leiru: submitted! Aug 24 22:04:35 dawm_: I remember egghead! Aug 24 22:04:42 im honestly glad i did not have this CC when the firesale started Aug 24 22:04:52 lol Aug 24 22:05:10 i just got a single 32gb (already have a 16) Aug 24 22:05:23 1 got single 16 .. shipped on the 22nd Aug 24 22:05:27 would have gotten the 32 in the first place, but i bought it pre-order and at the point it wasn't worth the difference Aug 24 22:05:28 i got* Aug 24 22:05:51 oh well box.net 50gb cloud storage Aug 24 22:06:17 hp says it shipped Aug 24 22:06:23 just recycled tracking # Aug 24 22:06:47 akanster, you see the pics? Aug 24 22:07:12 if I set a calendar alarm now or in the past, does it fire immeidately then? Aug 24 22:07:23 not in the past Aug 24 22:07:30 it gets expunged i believe Aug 24 22:07:37 hm Aug 24 22:07:38 i cannot lookup anything in the past on my google calendar Aug 24 22:07:57 dawm_: yup. Did you replace the engine? Aug 24 22:08:02 so I'll set it to "now plus one second" and it should be good enough to restart the app after closing it Aug 24 22:08:10 it was already replaced when i bought it, i just redid it for turbo Aug 24 22:08:22 its a 2.4 stratus motor instead of the normal 2.0 neon engine Aug 24 22:09:16 nice Aug 24 22:09:36 the setup is good for 300whp Aug 24 22:09:43 if i can get it tuned right Aug 24 22:09:52 its running full standalone (open sourced) Aug 24 22:10:14 i replaced the clutch a few weeks back, wasnt able to shift while the engine was running, was hoping it ws just a bad clutch Aug 24 22:10:18 URGGH Aug 24 22:10:25 but honestly i havent driven it on the road since jan 3rd 2007 (when i bought it) Aug 24 22:10:31 I wish app performance could just be a setting in appinfo.json Aug 24 22:10:42 "runGood":"YES" Aug 24 22:11:04 what is this "driving" you speak of? Aug 24 22:11:05 lmao Tibfib Aug 24 22:11:27 DraX: lemme guess, you are in SF? Aug 24 22:11:30 :) Aug 24 22:11:33 akanster: yes Aug 24 22:11:46 i could just as well have been in nyc :) Aug 24 22:12:05 possibly portland, i did portland without driving for 4 years Aug 24 22:12:10 neon, now theres a pos car Aug 24 22:12:11 lol Aug 24 22:12:25 idgaf how fast str-4's were, crapolaaaa Aug 24 22:12:30 srt* Aug 24 22:12:41 lol Aug 24 22:13:00 dawm_: heh, I like that huge manual open next to the engine Aug 24 22:13:03 akanster, also ive got 2 garages and a carport, i could easily add a 3 car to my collection Aug 24 22:13:15 get an s5 Aug 24 22:13:17 now theres a car Aug 24 22:13:19 :) Aug 24 22:13:30 DanielC|Mac, i have a 06 subaru sti Aug 24 22:13:31 im good :P Aug 24 22:13:38 my boy has an 06 scoobie Aug 24 22:13:45 white/bronze rims on 35lbs Aug 24 22:13:48 portland!!!!! Aug 24 22:13:48 its nice. Aug 24 22:14:24 ziplock503: i went to college there Aug 24 22:14:25 is it anything like Portlandia? Aug 24 22:14:29 i got my subie in march Aug 24 22:14:37 akanster: some of it at least Aug 24 22:14:40 so i havent had time to acquire winter shoes Aug 24 22:15:06 I can't live in a place that requires "winter shoes" Aug 24 22:15:21 i can travel to such place Aug 24 22:15:24 as much as i would love to drive it in the winter, it would be cheaper for me to buy a beater Aug 24 22:15:28 but live, mehh Aug 24 22:15:40 miami ftw Aug 24 22:15:59 DanielC|Mac: i got out of florida as soon as i could :P Aug 24 22:16:04 heh, Miami is awesome. Aug 24 22:16:16 i wanna move to boston possibly later on Aug 24 22:16:22 that place is pretty boss Aug 24 22:16:37 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1798137027062.101132.1048858191&type=1 Aug 24 22:16:38 my sti Aug 24 22:17:20 dawm_: I want to see your gymkhana vid!! Aug 24 22:17:25 hah Aug 24 22:17:27 buy me tires Aug 24 22:17:30 and ill make one Aug 24 22:17:51 gymkhana 4 is nuts Aug 24 22:18:00 i preferred the subie tho :\ Aug 24 22:19:09 Hmm, I put an avi on the touchpad, copied it over, but doesn't show in the Videos app. Anywhere specific to put it? Aug 24 22:19:40 hmm, walmart has the TP Touchstone for $35 now Aug 24 22:19:43 are you sure it's a supported type? Aug 24 22:19:54 No.. Not at all, not sure what are offhand. Aug 24 22:19:55 the touchpad has pretty awful codec/container support Aug 24 22:19:57 anybody changed platforms yet? Aug 24 22:20:20 DraX: just use the 7 dollar video player Aug 24 22:20:25 Khaytsus, if it's supported it should show up no matter where you put it on the drive Aug 24 22:20:25 .avi's work without a hitch Aug 24 22:21:09 DanielC|Mac: yeah i know... Aug 24 22:21:17 k Aug 24 22:21:24 but yes native support would be nice. Aug 24 22:21:56 one thing i keep meaning to do is try and make bhomepro (dlna client) work with the pay video player Aug 24 22:22:00 haven't gotten around to it yet though Aug 24 22:22:07 wooo Aug 24 22:22:13 wild'n HD is now a top app! Aug 24 22:22:26 DanielC|Mac, it depends on what's IN the avi too Aug 24 22:22:43 RagingMind: yeah i know Aug 24 22:22:45 KalemSoft Media Player or something? What player? Aug 24 22:22:48 DraX, i can't find official documentation on what it supports Aug 24 22:22:51 yes kalemsoft Aug 24 22:22:57 seems unable to play anything with high profile Aug 24 22:22:59 Hmm. If I've got some JSON like ({ this:that, the:other, ... }), and some JSON in a variable, how do I just add it in there? just ..., varname })? Aug 24 22:23:03 it plays eztv torrents and my class lectures Aug 24 22:23:06 thats all i needed it for Aug 24 22:23:16 Hmmf.. Maybe later then. Aug 24 22:23:25 Assuming varname is a JSON object Aug 24 22:23:34 high profile like mkv or what Aug 24 22:23:41 im not to keen on file format Aug 24 22:23:49 mp4 Aug 24 22:23:59 it cannot play mkv Aug 24 22:24:30 can kalemsoft play mkv Aug 24 22:24:34 Shadyman: you can use enyo.mixin or iterate through the second object and add each property to the first on Aug 24 22:24:35 yea Aug 24 22:24:49 for (var p in obj) {...} Aug 24 22:24:54 i downloaded the trial from the website. not sure how the trial is suppose to work but it plays Aug 24 22:25:08 Shadyman: make sure to be aware that's by ref not a copy Aug 24 22:25:17 right Aug 24 22:25:19 all js Aug 24 22:25:20 Shadyman: so if you mutate an object, it will mutate in both places Aug 24 22:25:26 DraX: kay Aug 24 22:25:27 hey someone mentioned fixing the browser to use hulu Aug 24 22:25:30 http://i.imgur.com/c8tIG.jpg GOGOGOGOGO Aug 24 22:25:36 what patch or whatever would i need to use Aug 24 22:25:53 sugardave: did that ga trick work out for you? Aug 24 22:25:56 sugardave: I'd imagine mixin would be more efficient than a for() loop? Aug 24 22:26:15 DraX: I got to work on it a little bit, no dice yet but I wasn't very far Aug 24 22:26:20 Can I throw something out there that will probably get me flamed to the end of the world? Aug 24 22:26:35 oh it's Patrick.....B Aug 24 22:26:47 haha Aug 24 22:26:54 * PatrickC_TP is still around ;) Aug 24 22:27:01 umm wtf the page isnt showing any stock Aug 24 22:27:11 how the hell is "GOP News" above me in "Top News" ? Aug 24 22:27:11 Tibfib: did you and the email? Aug 24 22:27:18 yes Aug 24 22:27:24 been busy Aug 24 22:27:25 Shadyman: you could probably also do some prototype trickery, especially if v8 supports __proto__ Aug 24 22:27:31 SineOt: the 2 TPs that I wasn't sure about earlier I just got confirmation of shipping Aug 24 22:27:34 rwatkins: the microsoft dude? Aug 24 22:27:39 rwatkins: what news app do you have? Aug 24 22:27:42 Well then. Aug 24 22:27:47 rwatkins: hahaha Aug 24 22:27:47 at this rate I'll be behind nomnomnom soon! Aug 24 22:27:49 it looks like v8 does do __proto__ Aug 24 22:27:51 onSale can go to hell! Aug 24 22:27:52 wrong irc channel Aug 24 22:27:54 I got my 3 tps today Aug 24 22:27:55 1 lef Aug 24 22:28:00 SineOt: sorry :-/ Aug 24 22:28:02 DAY FIVE OF THE UNICORN HUNT CONTINUES Aug 24 22:28:03 DraX: Hmm. How would I go about doing that? Is there a tutorial somewhere? Aug 24 22:28:06 LarrySteeze: hm? Paper Mache is my app. ya used to work at MSFT. 10 yrs ago Aug 24 22:28:16 Shadyman: object2.__proto__ == object1; Aug 24 22:28:17 err Aug 24 22:28:19 long time no talk! Aug 24 22:28:19 s/==/=/ Aug 24 22:28:21 STALKING THROUGH THE WILD BRUSH OF THE INTERNET IN SEARCH OF THIS ELUSIVE BEAST Aug 24 22:28:23 rwatkins: you're going down man Aug 24 22:28:25 down town Aug 24 22:28:32 Tibfib: indeed. crazy Aug 24 22:28:33 Shadyman: that has copy on write conventions Aug 24 22:28:34 SineOt: HP is supposed to open more sales tomorrow Aug 24 22:28:37 SineOt: looking for some tps? Aug 24 22:28:41 drat, two movies to the touch pad now, neither show Aug 24 22:28:49 sign up on the website for notifications Aug 24 22:28:50 it's been what, 11, 12 years? Aug 24 22:28:51 Yup. We had an order for 2 16s that got cancelled earlier today. Aug 24 22:28:55 DraX: That makes it copy instead of write? Aug 24 22:29:03 er, yeah Aug 24 22:29:03 Shadyman: it makes it copy on write Aug 24 22:29:09 Cancelled on the day they were SUPPOSED to arrive since we sprung for 2nd day shipping. >:C Aug 24 22:29:11 LarrySteeze: jog my memory? Aug 24 22:29:30 rwatkins-mpb: in my book, you get 1st place for free apps :) Aug 24 22:29:37 DraX: Cool :D Aug 24 22:29:37 SineOt: who'd you order from? Aug 24 22:29:38 Howdy! Aug 24 22:29:45 is Palm webOS SDK 2.0.0.201011241508 com.palm.pdt.feature.feature.group <- the correct plugin to use for eclipse? Aug 24 22:29:51 no memory to jog, I'm just jonesin...humor me, I just got back from vacation... Aug 24 22:29:55 Shadyman: i'm half kidding.. but that should actually work Aug 24 22:30:01 PatrickC_TP: onSale via Amazon. Aug 24 22:30:10 Is there a way to release beta apps in the palm store? Aug 24 22:30:12 Anyone here experienced with the CHRoot for ubuntu? Aug 24 22:30:13 Really early, too… But I guess not early enough. Aug 24 22:30:16 DANGIT Aug 24 22:30:16 SineOt: they canceled all orders Aug 24 22:30:16 Tibfib: ha, thx Aug 24 22:30:17 Shadyman: what it does is it sets object2's prototype to object1, so when a lookup fails in object2 it goes up the prototype chain to do the lookup Aug 24 22:30:25 why'd you have to go and cuss in your 5 star nomnomnom review Aug 24 22:30:27 tsk tsk Aug 24 22:30:31 gonna get removed. Aug 24 22:30:33 Shadyman: but assignment is done on object2, not by traversing the prototype chain Aug 24 22:30:34 PDunny: #webos-internals would be of more help Aug 24 22:30:46 rwatkins-mpb: on a serious note, big ups on your work. I'm a big fan. Aug 24 22:31:01 PatrickC_TP: no they didn't, people have been receiving orders and summatusmentis just got a confirmation that the order for 2 got shipped Aug 24 22:31:06 Shadyman: http://javascript.crockford.com/prototypal.html Aug 24 22:31:21 Shadyman: very good description of a different, and imho, correct way to do OO in js Aug 24 22:31:23 SineOt: my uncle had his order ship Aug 24 22:31:26 LarrySteeze: cool, glad you've found it useful. Aug 24 22:31:28 was suppose o arrive today Aug 24 22:31:31 got canceled Aug 24 22:32:02 So, so far enyo on a Pre3 seems kinda sucky. Aug 24 22:32:03 PatrickC_TP: have you done any more research on md5? Aug 24 22:32:27 LarrySteeze: not much Aug 24 22:32:34 Shadyman: it's totally worth poking at Self at some point Aug 24 22:32:38 lets talk over PM Aug 24 22:32:43 Shadyman: if you're a nerd at least :) Aug 24 22:32:49 ok Aug 24 22:32:57 DraX: indeed. Aug 24 22:33:51 But yeah, hoping that HP gets more in stock and spends the time and effort to get their servers working reliably. Aug 24 22:34:01 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping Aug 24 22:34:06 The moment those go live the internet is going to come crashing down on it like a ton of bricks Aug 24 22:34:07 pong Aug 24 22:34:20 wassup PatrickC_TP Aug 24 22:34:32 PatrickC_TP: I bet you your uncle has his order confirmed, and the website showed a shipping timeframe Aug 24 22:34:37 IGNTNUNLMTD: you said there was a messaging button on the Hp kb? Aug 24 22:34:48 I just got an email saying that my order shipped Aug 24 22:34:50 PatrickC_TP: sell me two of your TPs ;P Aug 24 22:34:51 yeah, in the upper right hand corner Aug 24 22:34:57 summatusmentis: IIRC, his order shipped Aug 24 22:35:02 are there tps left? Aug 24 22:35:06 IGNTNUNLMTD: that's a notification button Aug 24 22:35:06 where can i order? Aug 24 22:35:12 SineOt: umm.. no.. :) Aug 24 22:35:17 they are for my family Aug 24 22:35:22 Shadyman: the other thing i really like to do is function MyObject() { var that = {}; var private_var = 1; that.my_function() { return private_var;} return that;} Aug 24 22:35:28 PatrickC_TP: I find that hard to believe Aug 24 22:35:37 Shadyman: objects are a poor man's closure are a poor man's object Aug 24 22:35:48 PatrickC_TP: yeah, it works really well for messaging Aug 24 22:35:54 summatusmentis: like I said, IIRC Aug 24 22:36:08 err that.my_function = function() {} ... Aug 24 22:36:09 IGNTNUNLMTD: like, if you get a msg, just click I and enter? Aug 24 22:36:15 Apparently HP will be opening sales of TP again at 7 AM Pacific O.o...I thought it wasn't going to be until Sep. 14 Aug 24 22:36:31 LarrySteeze: source? Aug 24 22:36:36 DraX: LOL Aug 24 22:36:40 it opens the notification list and you can quickly jump to the newest message from there Aug 24 22:36:41 no good source...just the rumor mill Aug 24 22:36:49 IGNTNUNLMTD: ah Aug 24 22:36:54 i miss js :( Aug 24 22:37:11 IGNTNUNLMTD: I got all the accessories today. they were on sale :) Aug 24 22:37:13 is Palm webOS SDK 2.0.0.201011241508 com.palm.pdt.feature.feature.group <- the correct plugin to use for eclipse? Aug 24 22:37:15 HP updated the page for the Touchpad from "out of stock" to "coming soon" so it's a safe assumption more stock is incoming Aug 24 22:37:17 excellent Aug 24 22:37:21 you'll love 'em Aug 24 22:37:26 SERIOUSLY? Aug 24 22:37:46 someone has the username "em"... things like that shouldn't be allowed Aug 24 22:37:49 SineOt, i thought they dropped webos? Aug 24 22:37:52 and CSRs have mentioned the 24th as a possible date for new stock Aug 24 22:37:56 don't make me change my name to "lol" again Aug 24 22:38:02 they did, and they're getting rid of all the hardware Aug 24 22:38:04 lol Aug 24 22:38:13 takes time to empty things out of warehouses and boats Aug 24 22:38:37 i wonder if i could get one Aug 24 22:38:46 i really like to get my hands on one of them Aug 24 22:39:04 IGNTNUNLMTD: I already love the keyboard and case :) Aug 24 22:39:33 Well, HP's next batch is probably going to be your only decent hope now :p Aug 24 22:39:56 yeah Aug 24 22:39:57 Few places that over sold their stock are refilling with HP warehouse shipments to cover their initial orders and aren't taking any more Aug 24 22:40:14 i wish they still produce the touchpad and sell it for 99bucks Aug 24 22:40:29 other places are being dicks and taking 96 hours to contact you to go "OH oops no stock sorry cancelled" Aug 24 22:40:39 If they could produce the touchpad for $99, HP would own the tablet market.. Aug 24 22:40:50 yeah, HP is taking a loss on this, I'm sure of it Aug 24 22:41:00 they should have just launched it at 299 and lost ~3$ on parts Aug 24 22:41:03 Tibfib: fine! don't know if one has to do it for OSS too (spaz hd or froscon 2011 hd) Aug 24 22:41:12 summatusmentis: I read somewhere it takes them ~2xx to make them Aug 24 22:41:22 yeah, the part cost is something like 298$ for the 16gb and 304$ for the 32gb Aug 24 22:41:26 I think the cost to produce the touchpad was $250 or so.. Aug 24 22:41:32 leiru: sorry? Aug 24 22:41:39 it's good to see that this channel has gone slightly more back to normal Aug 24 22:41:49 yeah Aug 24 22:41:56 but with 209 people :) Aug 24 22:42:09 what happened to out little ~100 person family? :) Aug 24 22:42:26 Insanity! Aug 24 22:42:28 :) Aug 24 22:42:28 It had a babyboom Aug 24 22:42:40 Is there a way to release beta apps in the palm store? Aug 24 22:42:51 interfaSys: yes Aug 24 22:42:55 is the Pre plus any good/ Aug 24 22:42:57 ? Aug 24 22:43:02 chose beta as the selection Aug 24 22:43:05 HP would be smart to release a new WebOS tablet though.. now that they have a market share to build on.. Aug 24 22:43:07 Ironsight: depends Aug 24 22:43:07 Ironsight, who is your provider? Aug 24 22:43:11 recommend the pre2 over the preplus Aug 24 22:43:12 er carrier Aug 24 22:43:13 at&t Aug 24 22:43:16 pre2 Aug 24 22:43:21 unlocked pre2 Aug 24 22:43:26 hey dawm|laptop Aug 24 22:43:31 * Ironsight checks ebay for the pre2 Aug 24 22:43:34 Ryoken|Desktop: HP stock would double tank if they turned back around and started producing hardware again Aug 24 22:43:36 dawm_c* Aug 24 22:43:38 oh gosh that nextbench q&a makes me sick Aug 24 22:43:39 anyone have any idea why PDK games seem to have issues with textures not loading on touchpad? Aug 24 22:43:42 Steve Jobs just resigned o_0 Aug 24 22:43:48 haha Aug 24 22:43:48 wtf?!?! Aug 24 22:43:50 HAHAHA Aug 24 22:43:57 yeah.. right... Aug 24 22:44:00 :P Aug 24 22:44:06 link or it didn't happen Aug 24 22:44:07 ;) Aug 24 22:44:14 It was just announced on CNN Aug 24 22:44:42 it's not on news.google.com Aug 24 22:44:49 whoa Aug 24 22:44:49 http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-apple-ceo-cnbc-reports/ Aug 24 22:44:49 probably said, "Well crap, we aren't going to sell any more ipads this year" Aug 24 22:44:50 tim took is taking Aug 24 22:45:02 lol Aug 24 22:45:02 took Aug 24 22:45:05 http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-apple-ceo/ Aug 24 22:45:25 PatrickC_TP: Thank you :) Aug 24 22:45:35 https://twitter.com/#!/CNBC/status/106495231528153088 Aug 24 22:45:36 lol Aug 24 22:45:40 they misspelled resigns Aug 24 22:45:49 Time to watch the stock! :U Aug 24 22:45:58 I doubt it'll go too far down Aug 24 22:46:06 I don't Aug 24 22:46:10 he is that company Aug 24 22:46:17 I don't know, it could go down as far as HP's did. Aug 24 22:46:31 oh come on apple will survive Aug 24 22:46:36 yeaaaah Aug 24 22:46:38 with eurisko here Aug 24 22:46:41 In after hours trading it's already down 68 cents Aug 24 22:46:50 because it's "magic" Aug 24 22:46:51 :) Aug 24 22:46:58 Steve bought a TouchPad Aug 24 22:47:01 Oh, no doubt that Apple would survive. They could basically sell nothing for a few years and still keep on goin' Aug 24 22:47:06 i bet woz bought one Aug 24 22:47:10 I made a basic search and came up dry Aug 24 22:47:13 http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-apple-ceo/ Aug 24 22:47:15 woz is the man Aug 24 22:47:18 it did this on webos 3.0.2 before any patches Aug 24 22:47:20 oi my bad Aug 24 22:47:22 woz came to my school in spring Aug 24 22:47:24 didn't mean to paste that Aug 24 22:47:24 good man Aug 24 22:47:25 I mean, the company will survive Aug 24 22:47:26 :) Aug 24 22:47:31 Apple could sell nothing for the better part of a decade and just live off their cash on hand if they wanted too lol Aug 24 22:47:31 I was doing this on NOVA. the game loaded and recognized my keypresses Aug 24 22:47:40 but still Aug 24 22:47:43 but as soon as I was actually in game, the textures were replaced with whiteness Aug 24 22:47:59 is this something wrong with my tab? Aug 24 22:48:09 The Church of jobs is losing its leader. Aug 24 22:48:09 this might mean apple goes back to producing innovative commercial failures! Aug 24 22:48:15 he resigned so he could hop in his spaceship and avoid the 2012 disaster Aug 24 22:48:16 instead of boring commercial sucesses Aug 24 22:48:29 Tim Cook is a pretty good choice for successor though Aug 24 22:48:31 bbl\ Aug 24 22:48:40 steve jobs resigns as ceo lol Aug 24 22:48:47 he's been leading the pack for a while now anyway Aug 24 22:48:51 who is Tim Cook, I don't recognize that name Aug 24 22:48:57 COO, interim CEO Aug 24 22:48:57 COO of apple Aug 24 22:49:06 ah Aug 24 22:49:07 Ceo more like? Aug 24 22:49:08 tim cook Aug 24 22:49:08 :) Aug 24 22:49:11 hes gay Aug 24 22:49:14 Tim Cook is COO, long rumored to be running most of the show behind the scene anyways Aug 24 22:49:15 Bob Johnson Aug 24 22:49:15 He's been the guy running it for the last year or so.. Aug 24 22:49:15 went to TCU i think Aug 24 22:49:18 is he the asian guy? Aug 24 22:49:24 or was it auburn Aug 24 22:49:28 Gristle McThornbody for Apple CEO Aug 24 22:49:30 whatever. Aug 24 22:49:31 certainly not the persona jobs is, but not too shabby Aug 24 22:50:04 i know what happened steve jobs was caught in a line for a touchpad Aug 24 22:50:07 Wonder if it's for health reasons? Aug 24 22:50:15 BREAKING NEWS: Tim Cook buys HP as first motion as CEO Aug 24 22:50:26 I think the only person who could match Steve Jobs in persona is Johnathan Ives Aug 24 22:50:36 larry ellison Aug 24 22:50:39 woz should be invited back Aug 24 22:50:47 danielc: I'd poop my pants Aug 24 22:54:15 you my friend need adult diapers Aug 24 22:54:35 if they did that just for litigation purpose, it would be a great move Aug 24 22:55:01 apple nowadays don't nothing more but to litigate... Aug 24 22:55:23 jobs went out on top Aug 24 22:55:28 they passed exxon mobil Aug 24 22:55:31 i think he's happy Aug 24 22:55:48 for minutes?! come on... Aug 24 22:56:02 how long has bill been out of the game now? Aug 24 22:56:08 the point is the company is doing very very well Aug 24 22:56:08 as ceo Aug 24 22:56:16 especially in the state of the world economy Aug 24 22:57:10 * PatrickC_TP wants a gesture bar on the HP BT Keyboard Aug 24 22:57:32 Indeed, as CNN put it, this is the best time for him to go, while they are in a very strong position.. even if Tim Cook makes mistakes, they have a nice wad of cash that they can afford a blunder or two.. Aug 24 22:58:50 aahaha Aug 24 22:58:57 my best buy has a message when you call them Aug 24 22:59:01 "We're out of stock of the HP TouchPad? Aug 24 22:59:05 yeah they invest some in me, i am a huge failure Aug 24 22:59:10 s/?/" Aug 24 22:59:16 twbbas: haha Aug 24 22:59:28 I'm calling them about the hp bt kb Aug 24 22:59:33 I hope they don't get mad lol Aug 24 22:59:41 lololo Aug 24 22:59:56 don't start by saying hp Aug 24 23:00:03 yeah trying to track down one on Saturday was like that, pick up the phone and they'd right off the bat say they didn't have any Touchpads in stock Aug 24 23:00:13 Start by asking if they have any TouchPads ;) Aug 24 23:00:16 See what happens when I resign from apple, steve leaves :P Aug 24 23:00:22 I'm sure they will get a kick out of it ;) Aug 24 23:00:41 wow Aug 24 23:00:42 yea SineOt, I called Office Depot saturday and I said "Do you guys have the..." an she cut me off and said "NOPE!@!@!" Aug 24 23:00:47 hp might get bought out by oracle Aug 24 23:00:47 wtf Aug 24 23:00:53 LOL @ twbbas Aug 24 23:00:57 and steve jobs just stepped down Aug 24 23:00:59 twbbas: ouch Aug 24 23:01:07 hah, I called Best Buy today to get them to give me a partial refund on my TP originally, and explained the situation, the woman goes "yes, I know all about what HP did" Aug 24 23:01:11 I heard that radioshack was answering the phone with a blurb that they are out of touchpads Aug 24 23:01:20 lol Aug 24 23:01:26 Wal-Mart was doing that too Aug 24 23:01:38 I like the TP case though Aug 24 23:01:44 wtf Jobs stepped down? Aug 24 23:01:46 it's interesting Aug 24 23:01:49 no more black turtle necks? Aug 24 23:01:49 its amazing Aug 24 23:01:51 twbbas: inorite Aug 24 23:01:54 Walmart should have been "We still have lots of touchpads, but they are for staff only." Aug 24 23:01:54 twbbas: you missed it Aug 24 23:01:59 PatrickC_TP: it changes nothing Aug 24 23:02:15 Tibfib: huh? Aug 24 23:02:20 steve jobs stepping down Aug 24 23:02:20 twbbas: maybe it's a requirement of holding the CEO position Aug 24 23:02:25 lol Aug 24 23:02:47 apple is still destroying everyone, doing smart things, and probably will in the future Aug 24 23:02:49 it doesn't change nothing Aug 24 23:02:51 it changes his job Aug 24 23:02:58 rimshot! Aug 24 23:03:04 yeah, I think our Best Buy was doing the same thing. I know they got more in stock but everyone refused to say they did Aug 24 23:03:14 If it doesn't change nothing, then it changes everything :p Aug 24 23:03:29 lol\ Aug 24 23:03:35 uugh...onsale canceled my order Aug 24 23:03:46 CYeong_: welcome to the party Aug 24 23:03:55 ahahaha I just got off hold and said "Do you guys have the wireless keyboard for the HP TouchPad in stock?" and the guy immediately said "no, we don't... but wait, the keyboard? Let me check" Aug 24 23:04:08 haha :) lets just wait for the hp one Aug 24 23:04:08 twbbas: haha Aug 24 23:04:12 lol Aug 24 23:04:23 can Larry Elison revive WebOS? Aug 24 23:04:27 i hope my touchpad actually ships tomorrow Aug 24 23:04:29 but i'm afraid that i mihgt not be able to get one from hp site, since paypal doesnt work properly there Aug 24 23:04:46 ooh...stave jobs resign... Aug 24 23:05:03 bbl Aug 24 23:05:21 Jobs should take over HP.. clearly they need some leadership at the moment.. Aug 24 23:05:22 CYeong_: yeah, that's what we're hoping for… Going to be bummed if we miss that too Aug 24 23:05:29 I love how Office Depot autocorrects any searches for "HP TouchPad" to "Tablets" on their site Aug 24 23:06:12 twbbas: loads of sites are doing it, its hillerious Aug 24 23:06:19 uugh, the last time i missed the 32gb from hp because paypal decided to choose not to work at that moment Aug 24 23:06:23 the first tablet to pop up is the playbook Aug 24 23:06:23 so i cant check out lol Aug 24 23:06:37 twbbas: carphone warehouse put a huge banner on their homepage asking people not to ring them Aug 24 23:06:43 ahaahaha Aug 24 23:06:54 When you search Touchpad on Futureshop, you get taken to iPads.. Aug 24 23:07:20 WE'RE WINNING! THE GOOGLES ARE AGAINST US! Aug 24 23:07:50 lol Aug 24 23:08:27 http://media.phonehouse.com/cpw-sales/static/images/service_messagee__banner_hp.png Aug 24 23:08:59 dawm_: lollll Aug 24 23:09:04 lol Aug 24 23:09:44 lol Aug 24 23:10:36 * twbbas wants a touchpad bt kb for under $30 Aug 24 23:10:37 Larry Elison will be taking over WebOS and use his magic to revive it Aug 24 23:10:51 twbbas: staples Aug 24 23:10:54 price match Aug 24 23:11:01 it will be called OraclePad Aug 24 23:11:07 powered by WebOS Aug 24 23:11:11 * Hendikins got two of them at 39AUD. Aug 24 23:11:11 PatrickC_TP: they only price match when it's in stock at other stores Aug 24 23:11:51 twbbas: unless the employee is too jaded to care, or is too new to know Aug 24 23:11:58 twbbas: we showed them the receipt of the touchstone we just bought, when we bought the last, and they price matched Aug 24 23:12:19 hah actually too bad there's so much bad blood now between hp and oracle, oracle could maybe use a thin client frontend Aug 24 23:12:35 I can't even find the bt kb on the Staples website Aug 24 23:12:43 twbbas: hey have them Aug 24 23:12:45 they* Aug 24 23:12:50 I saw it today Aug 24 23:13:48 * dwc- wants a charging dock but doesn't wnat to pay staples $80 for it Aug 24 23:13:58 dwc-: again Aug 24 23:14:01 pricematch Aug 24 23:14:03 dwc-: bit of plywood and a USB cable Aug 24 23:14:03 I did i Aug 24 23:14:06 http://www.staples.ca/ENG/Catalog/cat_sku.asp?CatIds=&webid=357051&affixedcode=WW Aug 24 23:14:11 That;s the keyboard Aug 24 23:14:13 PatrickC_TP: no receipt. nobody else in the area has it in stock Aug 24 23:14:24 ah Aug 24 23:14:33 I have *a* keyboard... that I got for ... something like $20 Aug 24 23:14:36 Ryoken|Desktop: That's Canadian :\ Aug 24 23:14:41 but... I need a dock! Aug 24 23:14:44 well, want Aug 24 23:14:51 Try changing .ca to .com .. works sometimes lol Aug 24 23:14:54 welp Aug 24 23:15:01 SineOt: can you take apart your dock and give me schematics for the charging circuit? :) Aug 24 23:15:02 ive got my TP serial number, but tracking is still flawed Aug 24 23:15:09 did you guys read michaeldell's tweets? Aug 24 23:15:14 dwc-: it you buy it and they change the price, they will refund you he difference Aug 24 23:15:17 http://www.zdnetasia.com/michael-dell-bickers-with-hp-on-twitter-62301777.htm Aug 24 23:15:21 dwc-: oh, you want an inductive one?~ ;P Aug 24 23:16:03 So can you charge the touchpad with any inductive charger? Aug 24 23:16:15 where is that aknaster guy Aug 24 23:16:23 "low stock" over by my sisters... "in stock" 13 miles away... Aug 24 23:16:28 You can grab one for like $20 at Vermizon for one of their phones, just a little pad Aug 24 23:16:40 that's ~$13 of gas/car use for the round-trip Aug 24 23:16:54 Khaytsus: the Touchstone does its own thing, I believe, and isn't part of the Que or whatever standard Aug 24 23:16:57 dwc-: you get 2 miles to the gallon? Aug 24 23:16:59 :/ Aug 24 23:17:11 I'm not sure where the charge circuitry is in the touchpad, but I haven't been able to get my phone charger to say hi to it Aug 24 23:17:19 PatrickC_TP: estimated cost based on federal reimbursement rates Aug 24 23:17:26 sh Aug 24 23:17:27 includes maintenance, gas, etc Aug 24 23:17:37 http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/08/24/2251249/Steve-Jobs-Resigns-As-Apple-CEO Aug 24 23:17:40 hell hath frozen over Aug 24 23:17:46 lol Aug 24 23:18:18 so.. the "control" button on the bt kb is sym? Aug 24 23:19:48 Shadyman: Yes, the deity has left the Church of Jobs. Aug 24 23:20:14 ^ Aug 24 23:20:19 I was waiting for that. Aug 24 23:20:19 yep Aug 24 23:20:22 likewise Aug 24 23:24:21 No youtube app, just in the browser? Hmff.. Aug 24 23:25:21 anybody recommend any screen protectors for the tp? Aug 24 23:25:22 Khaytsus, hp didn't want to pay for licensing a "real" youtube app Aug 24 23:25:32 Yo, if Oracle buys webos, we might have a chance again! Aug 24 23:25:49 F that. Oracle would kill it in a second. Evil company. Aug 24 23:26:01 ^^^ Aug 24 23:26:11 And there's be no chance at open sourcing anything Aug 24 23:26:18 dgathright is right on both counts Aug 24 23:26:28 oracle will just sue people Aug 24 23:26:55 At this point, Oracle can't do much worse than HP seems to be.. Aug 24 23:27:17 Ryoken|Desktop, hp are incompetent at evil. oracle are experts Aug 24 23:27:42 Whoracle would also start throwing lawsuits at WebOS INternals Aug 24 23:27:44 At least Oracle won't leave people in Limbo like HP has been doing.. Aug 24 23:28:21 Ryoken|Desktop: Right, like MySQL. Oh wait. Aug 24 23:28:24 Ryoken|Desktop, you sound new to oracle. Aug 24 23:29:03 I just don't view them as being as evil as most others do.. but then again I don't hate most companies as much as everyone else does.. excep Oil.. Screw the Oil companies. Aug 24 23:29:32 I'd rather be in limbo than dead. In the words of Lloyd Christmas, "So you're sayin' there's a chance?" Aug 24 23:30:00 hp is trying to *become* oracle. that's why they killed off consumer devices Aug 24 23:30:10 that seems like someone who'd buy webos to you? Aug 24 23:30:56 * oil gets pinged, goes to read, oh Aug 24 23:32:00 i really like oracle Aug 24 23:32:03 Adora: reviewing wirc > chatting on irc Aug 24 23:32:15 * Adora reviews oil's mom Aug 24 23:32:19 but technically, both could be the done at the same time! Aug 24 23:32:24 i think they are a good company, they do what one can expect Aug 24 23:32:50 and they have good services, and they integrated quite well sun Aug 24 23:32:53 I just had to plug in for a sec to send an email before heading to the airport to pick up my mother Aug 24 23:33:03 which...omg Aug 24 23:33:05 heh Aug 24 23:33:31 Adora: So…. any Touchpads at HQ today? :) Aug 24 23:33:48 if my situation wasn't stressful enough, now dieter's going to be swamped with the news about jobs Aug 24 23:33:52 * eurisko is close to cut it's wrists Aug 24 23:34:05 dgathright: line around the building, same as every other day this week Aug 24 23:34:14 crazy Aug 24 23:34:20 adora, this is a august full of news Aug 24 23:34:20 lol, wow Aug 24 23:34:28 Adora: did everyone in line get one? :p Aug 24 23:34:32 not a silly season Aug 24 23:34:33 i am amazed the 32GB models are going for ~$280 on ebay Aug 24 23:34:36 because if so I'll just drive up there >:C Aug 24 23:34:42 Any idea how long it is? Just a few miles away ATM Aug 24 23:34:52 bpadalino, that show that cut was exagerated Aug 24 23:35:11 eurisko: sure - it'll be a good experiment to see what the market rate really is for them .. Aug 24 23:35:25 a few years ago everyone thought apple was going under. now they have more cash on hand than the US government Aug 24 23:36:05 i still remember, i bought my ibook for something like 689$ on a closing reseller here Aug 24 23:36:06 lol Aug 24 23:36:11 overheard at apple HQ: "how do we get people to stop talking about the touchpad and pay attention to us again" Aug 24 23:36:20 haha Aug 24 23:36:22 hahah Aug 24 23:36:23 nice Aug 24 23:36:24 crappy laptop indeed Aug 24 23:36:35 lol Aug 24 23:36:49 the hp ceo should resign Aug 24 23:36:50 lol Aug 24 23:36:52 hey, in terms of casing, the iBook G3 was killer. SO customizable Aug 24 23:37:07 bit of rubbing alcohol and a ziplock and you were free to do whatever you wanted to it Aug 24 23:37:33 SineOt it was so fscking slow, and the ergonomics! Aug 24 23:37:58 (first gen iBook G3 was, for some reason, entirely made of clear plastic with white paint on the inside of it, instead of… Y'know. Just using white plastic) Aug 24 23:38:09 Oh, the clamshell one? Aug 24 23:38:09 but the best notebook i ever had was the powerbook G4 12", EVER! Aug 24 23:38:11 What's the quickest way to condense a JSON array into one long string of text with no separators? JSON.stringify, then string-replace {, ", :, and , with ""? Aug 24 23:38:14 The clamshell one was terrible Aug 24 23:38:22 I guess it's the second gen iBook G3 that I'm thinking of Aug 24 23:38:50 i had g3 glamshell Aug 24 23:38:54 clamshell Aug 24 23:39:53 it was 350 mhz or something, the jump to the powerbook g4 was huge. Aug 24 23:40:09 i still have the powerbook g4 Aug 24 23:40:14 i love it Aug 24 23:41:05 i hate these widescreen notebooks nowadays... why do they think we all watch tv/movies on 12" notebooks? Aug 24 23:41:09 yeah the white G3 was 500mhz Aug 24 23:42:03 lol, touchdroid fell apart http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391767,00.asp Aug 24 23:42:16 dgathright: just now following me? Aug 24 23:42:20 :) Aug 24 23:42:55 i don't really understand touchdroid, if someone wants android buy one. Aug 24 23:43:01 oil: lol, yeah. I was amazed I wasn't already. Mah bad. :) Aug 24 23:43:16 even after walking around together and eating awesome NYC pizza Aug 24 23:43:25 more if someone wants an android i will swap an archos 101 16 gb for a touchpad Aug 24 23:43:28 om nom nom Aug 24 23:43:30 you rolling your luggage around Aug 24 23:43:30 haha Aug 24 23:43:49 * dgathright tries not to look like a tourist Aug 24 23:43:52 eurisko: I'm gonna run haiku/ppc on my powerbook :) Aug 24 23:44:28 I see touchdroid as a "hey webOS really is dead, at least I have something that can get upgraded down the line" Aug 24 23:44:40 haiku/arm on touchpad... now THERE's a better idea than wasting time on android Aug 24 23:44:50 if HP kills webOS a year down the line, at least you'd have the option of running a kind of recent android build Aug 24 23:45:14 Dead one year old webOS will still be better than Android. Aug 24 23:45:21 I don't like Android on tablets designed for Android, I doubt I'll like an old version of Android on a a touchpad.. Aug 24 23:45:23 lol Aug 24 23:45:28 ehehe at least something with a different flavour :) Aug 24 23:46:20 * oil still thinks they should be working at android in a card Aug 24 23:46:29 everyone knows it android 2.2 sucks hard time on someting with more than 4" Aug 24 23:46:36 where i just select that card and it goes full screen and now its android Aug 24 23:46:40 LOL Aug 24 23:46:53 dgathright, indeed man Aug 24 23:47:14 webos is better than honeycomb to me, because it has a simple yet "get's it done" interface Aug 24 23:47:31 honeycomb needs updates Aug 24 23:47:33 and I don't need to "jailbreak" Aug 24 23:47:44 and I don't need a task manager app Aug 24 23:47:49 just like webos 3 Aug 24 23:47:56 and I don't need a "youtube" app Aug 24 23:48:11 yeah Aug 24 23:48:26 lol, yeah, just the fact that there is a task manager app is enough proof that yer doin wrong Aug 24 23:48:27 everyone is rushing out to market because of the ai-pedes Aug 24 23:49:21 * eurisko help what did i deserve to have to use visual studio Aug 24 23:50:02 you don't have to use visual studio Aug 24 23:50:20 for what webos or android? Aug 24 23:50:30 windows ce Aug 24 23:50:38 oh lol Aug 24 23:50:46 nevermind then Aug 24 23:50:59 the best part not even the fscking emulator works Aug 24 23:51:13 webos emulator doesn't fully work Aug 24 23:51:28 for instance, no opengl, but it works enough for other apps Aug 24 23:51:33 what's wrong with the emulator? Aug 24 23:51:34 well this one doesn't even launch the application Aug 24 23:51:53 that sucks :( Aug 24 23:52:00 How much slower is the emulator comprared to the real thing for web apps? Aug 24 23:52:18 webos emulator is smooth as silk Aug 24 23:52:29 it's virtualbox :) Aug 24 23:52:39 at least on my i7 with 8 gigs of ram Aug 24 23:52:44 :S Aug 24 23:52:51 interfaSys, the webos emulator runs an x86 version of webos, in a regular x86 VM Aug 24 23:53:04 hence why it's fast Aug 24 23:53:13 no cpu emulation needed Aug 24 23:53:18 this is fine for everything except hybrid/PDK apps, where the "x86 webos" thing is a problem Aug 24 23:53:25 yeah Aug 24 23:53:41 need to use my hardware to test my c++ stuff Aug 24 23:53:59 OK, so if I find the emulator sluggish, it won't be any better on the real thing then... Aug 24 23:54:11 well, unless your computer is garbage Aug 24 23:54:15 then the emu will be slow Aug 24 23:54:35 it runs quite well on my SU4100 Aug 24 23:54:47 which is slow cpu Aug 24 23:55:53 So is it worth installing UberKernel and/or OCing the touchpad ? Aug 24 23:56:19 I'm testing on a Core2 6600@3ghz Aug 24 23:56:36 PlayBook emulator runs fine Aug 24 23:57:00 Maybe it's the graphics card Aug 25 00:03:15 Cmon app review team it's been 3 days and my update hasn't been approved :( Aug 25 00:03:21 interfaSys: should run fine at that Aug 25 00:03:24 updates are supposed to be fast Aug 25 00:03:59 thx oil Aug 25 00:04:35 twbbas, maybe they are trying to hold your interest in developing for the platform until after the smoke blows over ;) Aug 25 00:04:39 * oil is running core2 quad and the emu is snappy Aug 25 00:05:02 I played with a real one and transitions were sluggish, but I thought it was fixed with 3.0.2 and thought it would be hardware limited, so I'm surprised... Aug 25 00:05:19 RagingMind: but his interest would grow if it got updated and all the new users could get hte update Aug 25 00:06:01 Hi all. Anyone know of good apps that keep data locally? For example, I was really excited about the khan academy app until I saw that I need a constant internet connection. Aug 25 00:06:07 RagingMind: Holding my interest would be approving my update that allowed in-app items to be purchased by the thousands of people downloading my app daily Aug 25 00:06:19 ah, hehe Aug 25 00:06:26 Are there any apps for backing up youtube videos or downloading webpages to read offline? Aug 25 00:06:36 smw: instapaper for downloading webpages Aug 25 00:06:43 look for paper mache by rwatkins Aug 25 00:06:45 twbbas, thanks Aug 25 00:07:12 twbbas, even the translator app requires internet! Aug 25 00:07:17 rwatkins: I expect a commission on this free download headed your way Aug 25 00:07:27 twbbas, it is as if they have given up on the idea of a program running locally! Aug 25 00:07:49 Also, anyone know if there is a google maps app? Or should I just use maps.google.com? Aug 25 00:07:56 ok theres a new device manufacturer rumor now Aug 25 00:08:00 this one seems legit Aug 25 00:08:15 bonus points for a map program that is local (not google) :-) Aug 25 00:08:26 ndrive Aug 25 00:08:31 50% off right now Aug 25 00:08:35 cool Aug 25 00:09:02 twbbas, just curious, how big has this room grown since the touchpad firesale? :-) Aug 25 00:09:08 HASBRO is thinking of getting into the smartphone market Aug 25 00:09:15 it doubled Aug 25 00:10:00 twbbas, I am now thinking of getting into webos dev now that I have one of these :-) Aug 25 00:10:00 eh, less than doubling .. but close .. somewhere around 112 beforehand .. 120 .. now it's 196 Aug 25 00:10:20 don't forget many touchpads just arrived Aug 25 00:10:29 they will be arriving over the next few days Aug 25 00:11:01 dawm: source? Aug 25 00:11:06 my brain Aug 25 00:11:11 last question I can think of right now. Any good podcast downloaders? Aug 25 00:11:32 simple podcatcher? Aug 25 00:11:42 I think that's the name Aug 25 00:11:45 smw: if you want to hack on it a bit, navit is free Aug 25 00:11:48 twbbas, thanks :-) Aug 25 00:11:54 dwc-, what is navit? Aug 25 00:12:19 http://www.navit-project.org/ Aug 25 00:12:28 smw, it's free map/navigation software Aug 25 00:12:35 cool Aug 25 00:13:31 twbbas, can not find instapaper. However, when I searched it I found paper mache Aug 25 00:14:02 instapaper is the service Aug 25 00:14:04 is it on preware? Aug 25 00:14:06 not an app Aug 25 00:14:19 oh Aug 25 00:14:19 everyone who says webos sucks should code for windows ce Aug 25 00:14:29 like a punishment Aug 25 00:14:49 joking :) Aug 25 00:14:54 twbbas, how is something which downloads stuff locally a service? lol Aug 25 00:15:02 webos just needs a lot of walk Aug 25 00:15:07 technically, they say that because app a b or c isn't on there, but they forget the devs never had a chance to make them since the thing was out for only a month Aug 25 00:15:30 smw: Instapaper is a website that allows you to save webpages to read later. Papermache taps into that website and downloads your "saved" stuff in the background Aug 25 00:16:06 Ironsight, webos devices has been out for over 2 years and didn't get that much. i don't think that's the problem though Aug 25 00:16:30 twbbas, in that case I am going to try to find another one. Thanks for the tip though :-) Aug 25 00:16:55 twbbas, I am so pissed that all software is a service :-P Aug 25 00:19:23 Is there a way to set default app when Exhibition starts ? Or even just set the default clock to be used lol.. rather annoying to change it each time.. Aug 25 00:19:35 Ryoken|Desktop: It should save which app was loaded last Aug 25 00:19:43 niiiice. when downloading a file with spaces in it in the TouchPad browser, it converts them to %20. So when you view your documents, it shows the spaces as %20 (and Touchpad provides no facility for renaming the files, unless you connect it to yoru computer :P) Aug 25 00:20:14 who reads spaces? I read %20 Aug 25 00:20:21 (I'm still super thrilled that I got this for $100, but now I know why :P) Aug 25 00:22:43 boshhead, ?! Aug 25 00:22:51 lots of browsers do that Aug 25 00:23:11 doesn't mean webOS can't be different and do it right Aug 25 00:23:14 boshhead, I paid $123! Aug 25 00:23:17 eurisko: save the file to the _filesystem_ with the %20s embedded, instead of spaces? Never had that happen to me before. But I've only used firefox on a desktop computer. Aug 25 00:23:35 smw: +all taxes/fees/shipping, that was what mine totaled too. Aug 25 00:23:56 eurisko: I don't mean the display in the address bar (where it actually displays as real spaces)... i mean saving to the filesystem. Aug 25 00:24:50 if the fs where file is doesn't support spaces Aug 25 00:25:04 it comes with the %20 Aug 25 00:25:04 as far as user interfaces goes, the %20 conversion is an artifact of sub-optimal protocols that don't accept spaces within certain parameters. There's really never a good reason for displaying that to the user. Aug 25 00:25:16 eurisko: The filesystem is vfat, which does support spaces. Aug 25 00:25:29 I haven't hacked my touchpad up yet, I'm just talking about default behavior here. Aug 25 00:25:35 then it should take them out Aug 25 00:26:10 boshhead, can you just do one more check what is the webserver Aug 25 00:26:30 or can you point it to me Aug 25 00:26:34 i am curious Aug 25 00:26:54 eurisko: the webserver is my desktop because it's the best way i have of transferring files to my touchpad until i download the SDK and novaterm and whatnot. Aug 25 00:27:01 apache running on my desktop. Aug 25 00:27:32 the webserver should have nothing to do with it tho Aug 25 00:27:46 ok then Aug 25 00:27:48 I know the filename on my webserver doesn't have %20s in it :P Aug 25 00:28:33 I'm not a fan of "the cloud" or whatever, as you may be able to tell :) Especially not on a device that has one foot in the grave. Aug 25 00:28:47 twbbas, it looks like simple podcaster does not download, it streams :-\ Aug 25 00:28:59 I'll make my own damn cloud. Aug 25 00:29:07 yo Aug 25 00:29:07 smw: I think the pro version downloads Aug 25 00:29:16 ok Aug 25 00:31:59 Did someone compile a set of CSS conversion rules when moving from Chrome to WebOS? Everything looks huge on the Touchpad emulator. Aug 25 00:32:15 What webOS really needs is more versions of Angry Birds.. Like Rio and Seasons.. Aug 25 00:32:56 Ryoken|Desktop, they have them Aug 25 00:33:12 I only saw the original Angry Birds.. Aug 25 00:33:12 I have seasons on my phone, and I saw rio available for the tp Aug 25 00:33:22 if only I got any update for them... Aug 25 00:34:26 interfaSys, set your screen resolution to 1024x768 for a true representation of what it wil look like Aug 25 00:34:40 will* Aug 25 00:34:41 Ryoken|Desktop: Rio is definitely there Aug 25 00:35:06 but what webOS really needs is a Kindle app for UK users :-( Aug 25 00:35:18 interfaSys, and I don't suggest using chrome as much as using safari to test Aug 25 00:35:23 WOOT Aug 25 00:35:34 Humm.. it's there now, wasn't last night when I looked o_0 Aug 25 00:35:39 weird Aug 25 00:35:45 jackster, there's no kindle in the uk version? sad... I like it on mine Aug 25 00:36:03 RagingMind: I know, I was gutted when I saw it wasn't out Aug 25 00:36:15 there's pReader :) Aug 25 00:36:23 it used to be that if you hadn't updated from 3.0 you could install the US version then update Aug 25 00:36:25 RagingMind, until you get a version working (maybe some hack in the future) you can convert your books with calibre Aug 25 00:36:28 but I already updated Aug 25 00:36:32 it works really well, especially the "native" one that's in preware Aug 25 00:36:34 Ironsight: I've tried full screen in virtualbox, but font is still too big, compared to both Chrome and the PlayBook. Aug 25 00:36:42 pReader, you say? Aug 25 00:36:56 so should hp drop webos? Aug 25 00:37:00 interfaSys, what is your screen resolution in the OS you code in? Aug 25 00:37:04 now steve jobs is gone Aug 25 00:37:06 lol Aug 25 00:37:22 jackster, yeah. but I haven't tried the one in the app cat in a long while. it's a bit slower cause it's mojo only Aug 25 00:37:33 mine is 1600x900 for instance, so it will look smaller, if I set my screen to 1024x768 on my computer, it will be closer to what it will look like on that tablet Aug 25 00:37:33 linuxuz3r: if anything Apple will be even more iOS centric now that Tim Cook's in charge Aug 25 00:37:40 there's one in preware that uses the PDK and loads a LOT faster Aug 25 00:37:44 Ironsight: On that screen, it's 1920x1200 Aug 25 00:37:51 jackster, i was jk Aug 25 00:37:55 :-P Aug 25 00:38:03 interfaSys, set it to 1024x768 to test Aug 25 00:38:03 <3 regex Aug 25 00:38:05 :) Aug 25 00:38:22 using no zooming Aug 25 00:38:25 how can I get this app on my touchpad https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.zumobi.todayshow ? Aug 25 00:38:46 smaller resolution on tablets makes things bigger Aug 25 00:39:36 Ironsight: I just did, but got the same result Aug 25 00:40:07 so adjust your font sizes in your code to compensate Aug 25 00:40:08 Ironsight: It's probably because I'm using Sencha and it's not detecting the tablet properly Aug 25 00:40:23 use a smaller font Aug 25 00:40:24 :) Aug 25 00:40:34 But if it's just me, then I'll just update the base class :) Aug 25 00:40:51 I was just wondering if others ran into the same issue, but apparently not :) Aug 25 00:41:10 buttons are pretty huge as it is for many apps Aug 25 00:42:53 PsWii60: try browsing to http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.zumobi.todayshow on the touchpad Aug 25 00:43:14 it's not in the app store? Aug 25 00:43:18 oh, might not be available for the touchpad Aug 25 00:43:20 cause I searched and din't see it Aug 25 00:43:22 ahh :( Aug 25 00:43:23 Available for: Aug 25 00:43:23 Palm Pre, Palm Pre2 Aug 25 00:43:30 damn it Aug 25 00:43:38 I remember it on the orig pre ;P Aug 25 00:44:02 So is it official that webos will continue getting updates? Aug 25 00:44:16 (official updates) Aug 25 00:45:20 * Ironsight reads http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/ Aug 25 00:45:37 as official as it ever was Aug 25 00:45:40 Ironsight: it's already had one since that was published. Aug 25 00:45:55 epic Aug 25 00:45:56 ;) Aug 25 00:46:06 for the Pre 3 no less. Aug 25 00:46:48 is the pre3 unlockable to run on at&t (as a phone, not as a smartphone) Aug 25 00:47:01 aka, I don't want their data service Aug 25 00:47:01 the uk pre3s are unlocked Aug 25 00:47:12 all known Pre 3's are unlocked. Aug 25 00:47:46 perhaps I should find one, would be nice to have my phone and my tablet working in sync Aug 25 00:48:52 16 gig cell phones?!! sick Aug 25 00:49:44 all publicly released pre3s are unlocked at least Aug 25 00:49:46 oooh ouch, sick price tag Aug 25 00:50:20 Why in the _world_ does outlook exchange setup ask for a web server address?? Aug 25 00:50:30 589 or 629... guess pre3 for me... Aug 25 00:50:31 because it uses OWA, probably Aug 25 00:50:33 * Ironsight looks at pre2 Aug 25 00:50:44 It doesn't do real exchange? Aug 25 00:50:46 meh Aug 25 00:51:05 n Aug 25 00:51:19 "real" exchange? Aug 25 00:51:29 microsoft tunnels it all over port http anyways Aug 25 00:51:47 already messed up my TP after 5 minutes.. Aug 25 00:52:53 I've never seen "https://" in exhcnage, ever Aug 25 01:02:11 Ironsight, 8 gig on pre3. and only 5.5 usable Aug 25 01:03:26 does pre2 talk to touchpad? Aug 25 01:03:33 it can Aug 25 01:03:36 :D Aug 25 01:03:47 they are a decent price on ebay, 150 dollars or so Aug 25 01:03:48 it does not even have 4g connection Aug 25 01:03:51 but not the touch to share Aug 25 01:04:06 I don't do 4g Aug 25 01:04:08 Ironsight: they were $49 during the firesale Aug 25 01:04:08 or 3g or something Aug 25 01:04:09 or 3g Aug 25 01:04:23 dawm oooh man Aug 25 01:04:44 I'm guessing they sold out Aug 25 01:04:45 :( Aug 25 01:04:51 no pre in the US :P Aug 25 01:05:20 i'm sure pre 2's went majorly up in price due to the touchpad firesale Aug 25 01:05:37 $49 from hp.com when they had some Aug 25 01:05:42 the pre2 is still $200 if you get it in a verizon store Aug 25 01:05:49 but $49 if you order online Aug 25 01:05:54 so is the storm 2 Aug 25 01:05:55 lol Aug 25 01:06:24 touchstone dock slowly going down in price Aug 25 01:07:00 not a dock Aug 25 01:07:04 a stand maybe Aug 25 01:07:05 but not a dock Aug 25 01:07:57 $49 online for a pre2 if you sign up for a 2-year contract Aug 25 01:08:16 Full retail: $399... 2 year contract: $199, -$150 online discount Aug 25 01:08:23 it's called touchstone dock by hp Aug 25 01:08:32 SoulShadow will you touch my stones Aug 25 01:08:34 because it does put it in that exhibition mode or w/e Aug 25 01:08:39 grandy: only on tuesdays Aug 25 01:08:58 if anyone signs a 2 year contract for a pre2 i will laugh my ass off Aug 25 01:09:28 I signed a 2 yr contract with a pixi 2 months ago Aug 25 01:09:36 jk no I'm smart Aug 25 01:09:42 tee hee pixi dust Aug 25 01:09:49 my dad got a 2 yr contract with pixi last november Aug 25 01:09:53 he loves it though Aug 25 01:09:54 well, that's okay though Aug 25 01:09:56 the pixi is a great little phone Aug 25 01:09:59 that wasn't like.. last week Aug 25 01:10:14 the veer is nicer... I played with one in the ATT store and it was SO cute Aug 25 01:10:19 pre2 is 100 on their site without a contract... Aug 25 01:10:23 I think I'd really like it Aug 25 01:10:23 but so unpracticle Aug 25 01:10:24 lol Aug 25 01:10:25 yeah, the veer is awesome Aug 25 01:11:17 veer is same.. Aug 25 01:11:40 You know, the only reason I never got a Pixi is that it was crippled. The Veer is rather less so. Aug 25 01:13:33 I hope hp.com fixes their website for the next fire sale Aug 25 01:13:48 vbscript ftl Aug 25 01:14:07 lol Aug 25 01:14:21 VB anything FTL. Aug 25 01:14:29 i never thought the ordering systems on these websites was so disconnected from the inventory system Aug 25 01:14:33 Worst beer in Australia? VB! Aug 25 01:14:41 kinda made their server side of their business look sad Aug 25 01:14:48 b&n and amazon BOTH took my money Aug 25 01:14:55 only to return it later because their software is shit Aug 25 01:15:25 oil: I had that happen with HP AU Aug 25 01:16:21 * twbbas is watching netflix on his touchpad Aug 25 01:16:47 twbbas: how? Aug 25 01:16:59 using playon on my computer and going to m.playon.tv on the tp Aug 25 01:17:03 it works great Aug 25 01:17:06 netflix, afaik, requires either silverlight (not available on linux), or .. oh, okay. Aug 25 01:17:15 14 day free trial of playon ftw Aug 25 01:17:20 hopefully netflix is out by then Aug 25 01:17:30 (the OR there was a special chip, called a sigma chip, that can do the decryption.. which comes with some hardware media players) Aug 25 01:17:44 I wish that chip were available as a PCI-Express card or something Aug 25 01:18:13 Then again the new intel processors have the "Intel insider" or whatever, so that may be an alternative for non-windows operating systems in the future, one can hope. Aug 25 01:18:15 * Ironsight wonders why they can make an android version of netflix, but it would just killll them to make one for linux... since android and linux are sooo different Aug 25 01:18:33 Ironsight: hrmm, I didn't know that. Aug 25 01:18:52 Ironsight: I wonder how that works, and if it it requires any special hardware on teh phone, or if it's a pure software implementation. Aug 25 01:18:55 yeah, I got it on my samsung galaxy tab Aug 25 01:19:12 Because if it's a pure software implementation, there's no technical reason why someone couldn't figure out hwo to make that work on linux i dont think. Aug 25 01:19:22 microsoft just doesn't want silverlight on linux :( Aug 25 01:19:36 silverlight works on linux, PlayFair doesn't. Aug 25 01:19:37 unless it's embedded Aug 25 01:19:49 PlayFair being silverlight's DRM tech Aug 25 01:19:59 the only silverlight on linux is a free one without the drm needed for netflix Aug 25 01:20:05 and it's community developerd Aug 25 01:20:09 developed* Aug 25 01:20:15 but.. PlayFair has to be implemented either in software or hardware. On Windows, it is implemented in software. On embedded media players, my understanding was that it's generally hardware (sigma chip) Aug 25 01:20:33 And I'm not sure where this android thing fits into that, thats news to me. Aug 25 01:21:03 I have netflix on... my nintendo ds, my roku2, my windows 7, my android tablet... Aug 25 01:21:11 my wii, and my 360 Aug 25 01:21:27 my ps3, xbox, pc, laptop, tivo Aug 25 01:21:30 3ds that is, not ds regular Aug 25 01:21:47 i guess tvs with apps would use a chip Aug 25 01:22:24 I dunno how they did it on wii Aug 25 01:23:13 well Aug 25 01:23:19 it has to be software on all the consoles Aug 25 01:23:27 they never shipped with the intention of netflix Aug 25 01:23:52 and for ps3, they ported webkit to the ps3 for the UI Aug 25 01:24:00 i guess if they want it bad enough they will make it Aug 25 01:24:03 I know 3ds has some pretty tight security Aug 25 01:24:15 it phones home if you will Aug 25 01:24:48 I want Hulu more... I already have netflix on my wii Aug 25 01:24:51 then again, if we're talking about re-implementing something from an existing software implementation, that already exists on windows (PlayFair). Although it would presumably be easier to start from something that worked on "linux" (however hacked up it was) Aug 25 01:25:01 man touch2share between 2 TPs is sweet Aug 25 01:25:09 there is a hulu desktop client for linux Aug 25 01:25:25 yes Aug 25 01:25:30 boshhead, yes, but none of my linux boxes can play flash video Aug 25 01:25:31 that uses flash Aug 25 01:25:43 *at a watchable speed* Aug 25 01:25:44 RagingMind, 64 bit? Aug 25 01:25:58 bad video drivers? Aug 25 01:25:59 Ironsight, a late P3, and an older atom Aug 25 01:26:09 RagingMind: get a better video card. Aug 25 01:26:11 oh Aug 25 01:26:47 does that p3 have agp or pcie? Aug 25 01:27:05 well, let me add a caveat to that: Video acceleration within flash is flakey on linux, and I'm not entirely sure how supported it is. My understanding is that Flash is starting to get support for that, but acceleration of flash is definently not as good on linux as it is on windows. Aug 25 01:27:24 Thx all for the help. gbye Aug 25 01:27:25 Acceleration of h264 is just fine though, you just need a modern nvidia/ati card. Aug 25 01:27:27 Dual CPU (not core) Pentium 3 1.26 Ghz with a gforce 6200 and a 1.6Ghz Atom with intel graphics Aug 25 01:27:41 RagingMind: yeah, that card is too old. Aug 25 01:28:04 the P3 is PCI only (but there is 4bit pci) Aug 25 01:28:08 intel graphics will kill ya :( Aug 25 01:28:12 this gay bacon is seriously stale.. no wonder it was on clearance Aug 25 01:28:17 its like candy jerky.. Aug 25 01:28:20 gay? Aug 25 01:28:25 gay bacon strips Aug 25 01:28:31 the bacon liked other boy bacon? Aug 25 01:28:32 google or youtube it Aug 25 01:28:48 o.O Aug 25 01:29:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzvwxN4QOA Aug 25 01:31:09 or Aug 25 01:31:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlkfd9Cm920&feature=related Aug 25 01:31:29 i'm offended. that's clearly not a substitute for bacon and i resent the implication that a gay person would think so. Aug 25 01:32:19 boshhead++ Aug 25 01:33:07 it all started from this video Aug 25 01:33:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1_04GLrPs&feature=related Aug 25 01:33:10 candy bbq Aug 25 01:33:23 bbq foods w/ candy products Aug 25 01:37:00 #webos almost at 200? Aug 25 01:37:11 akanster: if you wanna read my long ass thread http://bit.ly/24turbo Aug 25 01:37:18 199 are you out of your mind Aug 25 01:37:20 more pix, but like 60 pages Aug 25 01:39:03 hey dawm_, i'll check it out Aug 25 01:40:22 http://www.amazon.com/9-7-Touchpad-16GB-WiFi-1-2GHz/product-reviews/B0056UOUC8/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar Aug 25 01:40:55 wait Aug 25 01:40:59 are those onsale reviews Aug 25 01:41:02 or tp reviews Aug 25 01:41:10 cause if its tp reviews those fuckers need to die Aug 25 01:42:05 thats not a 'forum' to review a seller Aug 25 01:42:22 I was just trying to figure out the same thing Aug 25 01:42:33 but it's not enough reviewers to be for the device. Aug 25 01:42:58 but wow...it's for the device Aug 25 01:42:58 true Aug 25 01:43:02 but yeah Aug 25 01:43:05 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=touchpad&x=0&y=0 Aug 25 01:43:09 you click the one link and it sends you to another seller Aug 25 01:43:50 it's too bad everyone rated it so poorly because of the one seller Aug 25 01:46:25 woah Aug 25 01:46:36 got a shipping confirmation from Amazon for my touchpad yesterday Aug 25 01:46:49 I didn't order a touchpad from Amazon Aug 25 01:46:49 what people dont know Aug 25 01:46:56 or maybe the wiki page was flawed Aug 25 01:47:07 egghead software merged with onsale in 2000 Aug 25 01:47:13 it almost tanked Aug 25 01:47:16 amazon bought egghead Aug 25 01:47:28 so that means onsale is amazon Aug 25 01:47:37 or part Aug 25 01:47:39 er part of Aug 25 01:47:41 I didn't buy from onsale either Aug 25 01:48:17 whats friday the 26th? Aug 25 01:48:17 oh, that's spam...I thought it was strange. Aug 25 01:48:18 woot Aug 25 01:48:24 TP will be here a week after i ordered it Aug 25 01:48:29 What spammer sends out "shipping confirmations"? Aug 25 01:49:47 greetings Aug 25 01:52:34 "We're temporarily unable to display all your orders below." Aug 25 01:58:35 does anyone know if there's a way to change the colors of the buttons hidden under a swipableItem? Aug 25 01:58:50 its css Aug 25 01:58:53 you can change everything Aug 25 01:59:53 oil, how do you get to them? you address their captions using weird syntax like confirmCaption: enyo._$L() cancelCaption: enyo._$L() Aug 25 02:00:08 you probably want something like .enyo-confirmprompt .enyo-button-negative for cancel Aug 25 02:00:14 or enyo-button for cancel Aug 25 02:00:21 -negative is for delete Aug 25 02:00:25 no Aug 25 02:00:27 this goes in your css Aug 25 02:01:09 .enyo-confirmprompt .enyo-button {background: #00ff00;} Aug 25 02:01:15 will make the cancel button green Aug 25 02:01:35 oh - weird and interesting Aug 25 02:01:58 its a webpage Aug 25 02:02:03 you use css to style it Aug 25 02:02:13 where would I put that? I don't have a style sheet for my app, I just mess with style tags programatically where required Aug 25 02:02:32 create an appname.css file somewhere Aug 25 02:02:37 and include it in your depends.js file Aug 25 02:02:44 ok, cool Aug 25 02:02:48 well, thanks very much Aug 25 02:02:51 I apprecieate that Aug 25 02:03:01 debugging in chrome++ Aug 25 02:03:10 right click > inspect element = everything you want to know Aug 25 02:06:12 yup, worked a charm. thanks oil :) Aug 25 02:06:16 np Aug 25 02:06:49 i like it when #webos is about writing apps for webos :) Aug 25 02:11:17 lies Aug 25 02:11:36 shutup you Aug 25 02:12:13 oh, adora is back, pretend to be working Aug 25 02:12:23 oil: that must be hard for you Aug 25 02:12:27 you're doing very well, everyone...very well! Aug 25 02:12:32 im good at pretending to work Aug 25 02:12:35 * Adora shuffles back off again Aug 25 02:12:37 alt+tab master Aug 25 02:12:40 Adora: thank you mister granger Aug 25 02:12:40 haha Aug 25 02:12:55 alright everyone, back on your heads! Aug 25 02:17:07 sorry for noob question, but: do app review comments made on touchpad app catalog show up in the webos 1.4.5/2.x app catalog on the handsets? Aug 25 02:20:26 bartholemew: if the app is visible on both devices, yes Aug 25 02:23:14 OH JESUS YOU GUYS STOP SUBMITTING APPS Aug 25 02:23:20 don't you know my mother is in town? Aug 25 02:23:43 Adora: they all just found out AUS was added Aug 25 02:23:44 :-( Aug 25 02:23:49 put her to work! :D Aug 25 02:23:51 and rod is on a twitter campaign to get everyone to switch their apps Aug 25 02:23:58 blame rwhitby! Aug 25 02:24:00 :) Aug 25 02:24:02 no apps for rod Aug 25 02:24:06 * Adora goes on strike Aug 25 02:24:10 lol Aug 25 02:24:14 Blame canad.. I mean Australia! Aug 25 02:24:27 wirc needs to be approved so i can do an update right after for the aussies Aug 25 02:24:35 :) Aug 25 02:24:36 I submitted an update Sunday night and it hasn't been reviewed yet :-( Aug 25 02:30:21 * oil notes the silence that falls when apps getting reviewed becomes the topic of discussion xD Aug 25 02:30:26 twbbas thats because... Aug 25 02:30:28 I AM THE LAW Aug 25 02:30:56 * twbbas doesn't get it Aug 25 02:31:03 judge dredd Aug 25 02:31:14 * twbbas still doesn't get it Aug 25 02:31:48 remaking judge dredd = lol Aug 25 02:32:03 crazy storm right now Aug 25 02:32:06 like a war movie Aug 25 02:32:11 lightning is so frequent Aug 25 02:32:15 Ya dawm. Same here Aug 25 02:32:16 like a strobe Aug 25 02:32:19 oh, back to 199 Aug 25 02:32:26 looks like metro airport is under attack Aug 25 02:32:40 Battle of Detroit Aug 25 02:32:44 i tried for a video but its all black cause it doesnt catch the slight changes only the big ass ones Aug 25 02:32:58 strange thing is.. no thunder Aug 25 02:33:08 Too bad Detroit would look better after a battle Aug 25 02:33:13 haha Aug 25 02:33:18 it would have an excuse Aug 25 02:33:26 Yep Aug 25 02:33:39 And lions wouldn't have to lose anymore Aug 25 02:39:56 heh Aug 25 02:40:00 aapl is dipping Aug 25 02:40:05 IGNTNUNLMTD: yay, got the final icons Aug 25 02:40:21 for Rimshaht? Aug 25 02:40:36 yes Aug 25 02:40:41 ! Aug 25 02:40:43 :) Aug 25 02:40:51 Adora: rimshaht is coming your way Aug 25 02:41:03 well, tomorrow probably Aug 25 02:43:51 * twbbas watches Tibfib get approved before him Aug 25 02:43:54 :p Aug 25 02:44:07 err Tibfib_ Aug 25 02:44:15 Muffle system logging lags my shit to a crawl Aug 25 02:44:24 grandy: you're doing somethign wrong. Aug 25 02:44:32 twbbas: people love teh rimshahts Aug 25 02:44:42 what can I say? Aug 25 02:45:34 but no one loves teh diffs Aug 25 02:45:43 rimwhat? Aug 25 02:45:50 * Adora washes Tibfib's mouth out with soap Aug 25 02:45:54 Adora: *ahem*, rwhitby named it Aug 25 02:46:23 another app named by rwhitby... he's on a roll Aug 25 02:46:27 rwhitby is the official namer for my apps Aug 25 02:46:34 apparently Aug 25 02:47:18 bbl Aug 25 02:47:35 "Profanity, mild - Disclaimer" Aug 25 02:48:11 or "Sexual humor - Disclaimer". not sure. Aug 25 02:50:02 a drum roll ? Aug 25 02:50:09 guys, I want a veer Aug 25 02:50:10 (lol I amuse myself to no end) Aug 25 02:50:12 realy badly Aug 25 02:50:19 summatusmentis: I want a Sprint Pre 3 Aug 25 02:50:22 make it happen Aug 25 02:50:27 and I'll get you a veer Aug 25 02:50:28 no, eff eye Aug 25 02:50:30 ewe* Aug 25 02:50:37 typing is hard Aug 25 02:50:42 I want a Touchpad Go Aug 25 02:50:43 sprint buys Tmobile. there. Aug 25 02:50:56 sprint isn't gonna buy t-mobile Aug 25 02:50:58 I want a full line of webOS phones from entry level to flagship Aug 25 02:51:02 they don't have the cash Aug 25 02:51:06 indeed. just about as likely. Aug 25 02:51:21 twbbas: the thing here is, a veer is feasible Aug 25 02:53:36 and. AND. Best Buy gave me $472 back from my original TouchPad purcahse Aug 25 02:54:22 twbbas: assuming palm still has some at HQ, that wouldn't run you very much. $25 for each old phone, $50 for a pre2 or a veer Aug 25 02:54:32 my TP has .. issues. Some cracks, and it seems like a couple points on the screen nolonger respond to a touch. Aug 25 02:54:47 dwc-: I meant new phones at all of those levels... well maybe the Veer as the entry level one Aug 25 02:54:51 so likely returning my Best Buy TouchPad for the refund, as long as the discounted one I orderd comes thru. Aug 25 02:55:03 rwatkins-mbp: can't you get the price diff? Aug 25 02:55:04 rather than getting the $ back. Aug 25 02:55:08 twbbas: yes... they have new ones Aug 25 02:55:09 why? Aug 25 02:55:31 dwc-: where? I can't go buy one at my sprint store Aug 25 02:55:37 wait, we're prety sure HP has sold out all of their phone stock right? Aug 25 02:55:37 twbbas: yes, but I would rather turn this flakey one in for a full refund and get a brand shiny new one for the $100. Aug 25 02:55:46 palm HQ in sunnyvale Aug 25 02:56:15 ask someone who works there how their stock is... tue midday they still had a pile of all the phones Aug 25 02:56:26 except they were out of unlock codes for the veers Aug 25 02:57:56 dwc-: can they sell those? Aug 25 02:58:05 they were! see above pricing. Aug 25 02:58:09 hey Adora, care to chime in? Aug 25 02:58:27 * dwc- picked up 7 phones between monday and tuesday Aug 25 02:58:35 7? dang Aug 25 02:58:35 how do i edit feeds on preware Aug 25 02:58:38 i typed them in wrong Aug 25 02:58:41 I'm still on a pre- Aug 25 02:58:49 2 have gone to the people who asked for them Aug 25 02:59:27 dwc-: can I officially ask for one, if you ever decide to keep doing this? Aug 25 02:59:34 or if it becomes available again Aug 25 02:59:37 or whatever **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011