**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011 Aug 25 03:00:01 3 of them headed to people with pre-, 3 headed to people who've never had a webos device before Aug 25 03:00:35 if you can find someone (employee? they disconnected the phone in the store) who can confirm that they still have them Aug 25 03:00:45 I can head over and look Aug 25 03:00:50 YaY!!! Aug 24, 2011 10:29 PM Arrived at FedEx location KEASBEY, NJ Aug 25 03:01:10 I don't usually drive to work, but palm HQ is only ~2 mi away Aug 25 03:01:25 Dang, white 64gb tp is sexy: http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/say-hello-to-my-little-friend-white-64gb-wi-fi-touchpad.748/#post-7045 Aug 25 03:02:18 * hemna likes black Aug 25 03:02:31 (... or if anyone hears they get more touchpads in, I'll definitely stop by) Aug 25 03:02:51 :) Aug 25 03:02:56 I'll just call up all my friends at palm, and see what they say Aug 25 03:03:00 :-P Aug 25 03:03:04 sounds good :) Aug 25 03:03:28 * summatusmentis checks student discounts on verizon Aug 25 03:03:49 err... AT&T Aug 25 03:03:56 dwc-, you selling any? Aug 25 03:04:08 any what Aug 25 03:04:12 phones Aug 25 03:04:37 I wasn't planning to pick up any more... the ones I've picked up for friends, etc. Aug 25 03:04:55 ahh Aug 25 03:05:14 I suppose if there's a bunch of people that want them, I don't mind picking up more though Aug 25 03:05:34 (assuming they have them) Aug 25 03:05:35 did you get pre 2's? Aug 25 03:06:16 6. Aug 25 03:06:23 5 gsm, 1 vzw Aug 25 03:06:51 I think at&t use gsm Aug 25 03:06:52 does hulu suck or what? Aug 25 03:07:05 I use netflix Aug 25 03:07:08 yes, att uses gsm Aug 25 03:07:18 I use netflix too... on my touchpad Aug 25 03:07:32 o rly? Aug 25 03:07:33 netflix on the TP? Aug 25 03:07:40 yup! Aug 25 03:07:44 Heard of playon? Aug 25 03:07:49 www.playon.tv Aug 25 03:07:53 You run a server on your computer Aug 25 03:07:59 go to m.playon.tv on your touchpad Aug 25 03:08:01 ooh nice!! Aug 25 03:08:05 and then stream from computer to touchpad Aug 25 03:08:06 yah I have playon via the ps3 here Aug 25 03:08:11 14 day free trial for playon Aug 25 03:08:16 you should put that on youtube, you would get a million hits Aug 25 03:08:17 hopefully netflix is out by end of that trial Aug 25 03:08:17 :) Aug 25 03:08:20 oh Aug 25 03:08:27 14 day trial :( Aug 25 03:08:30 :\ Aug 25 03:08:33 how much is it a month Aug 25 03:08:34 hopefully netflix app is out Aug 25 03:08:38 Ironsight: not sure Aug 25 03:08:42 didn't look into it Aug 25 03:08:47 was too excited to watch netflix Aug 25 03:08:58 I might pay like 2 dollars a month for a server like that... Aug 25 03:09:09 since netflix is really doing all the work Aug 25 03:09:10 my guess would be $10 Aug 25 03:09:14 $5/mo Aug 25 03:09:16 screw thta Aug 25 03:09:18 just looked Aug 25 03:09:21 oh Aug 25 03:09:22 not bad Aug 25 03:09:24 hrm Aug 25 03:09:27 since it's not just netflix streaming Aug 25 03:09:28 or an $80 one-time fee Aug 25 03:09:30 it's like tons of other shows Aug 25 03:09:32 yeah, 10 would have been stupid Aug 25 03:09:36 or $40 annually Aug 25 03:09:40 http://www.playon.tv/buy/ Aug 25 03:09:43 40 a year, not bad Aug 25 03:09:52 that's doable Aug 25 03:10:10 I don't know why you wouldn't use the $80 forever cost then Aug 25 03:10:13 that's 3.33 cents a month Aug 25 03:10:28 x100 Aug 25 03:10:32 "Fixed one-time cost. No annual fees. Your license is valid for the life of the product." Aug 25 03:10:32 because nothing is forever? Aug 25 03:10:54 wonder if you could hook up vlc Aug 25 03:11:07 because netflix app will be out before forever Aug 25 03:11:07 to stream a rectangle on your screen Aug 25 03:11:23 Ironsight: do you expect it to go away after 2 years Aug 25 03:11:31 because otherwise, you come out ahead Aug 25 03:11:40 no, but I expect my touchpad to break within 2 Aug 25 03:11:45 I have 2 kids Aug 25 03:12:11 stuff breaks Aug 25 03:13:07 http://preware.is.awesome.com/ doesn't work Aug 25 03:13:37 it works when it's put where it's supposed to go Aug 25 03:13:48 yep. read the directions closely grandy Aug 25 03:15:27 i put it in the feeds Aug 25 03:15:29 it doesn't work Aug 25 03:15:34 i get a bunch of errors Aug 25 03:16:18 holy crap, the veer is $0.01 with a new plan? Aug 25 03:16:26 Hi all. I am using the adobe reader on webos. How can I look at files I moved over through usb? I attached my tablet to my computer and put a pdf file in the "downloads" folder. In this folder was another PDF which I had downloaded through the tablet web browser and was showing up in the pdf reader. What am I doing wrong? Aug 25 03:17:08 grandy: what directioins are you following Aug 25 03:17:47 grandy: did you reboot afterwards? Aug 25 03:18:12 absolutely not doubledub Aug 25 03:18:54 i just clicked update feeds Aug 25 03:19:13 I can't remember when I did it on my pre2, but you have to at least close prepare, if not reboot first Aug 25 03:19:23 preware Aug 25 03:20:03 worked after reboot Aug 25 03:20:14 :-) Aug 25 03:20:44 sms: sounds like you are doing it right. Aug 25 03:21:04 silly autocorrect Aug 25 03:21:10 smr Aug 25 03:22:11 just tried it and my PDFs showed up Aug 25 03:23:17 So, er, am I dense? Or is there no MSN messenger on the TP? Aug 25 03:23:21 * Shadyman headscratches Aug 25 03:23:32 Anyone know how to transfer a pdf file to the hp tablet? Aug 25 03:23:49 smw: Email, box.net, bluetooth, USB Aug 25 03:24:06 You're not dense Aug 25 03:24:11 There isn't Aug 25 03:24:12 easiest would be to plug it in USB to your computer and save it on the drive Aug 25 03:24:18 rrix: Not yet, at least *shifty* Aug 25 03:24:28 Shadyman, after transfering by USB, adobe reader can't find it Aug 25 03:24:42 Shadyman, it doe not show up under "my touchpad" Aug 25 03:24:43 Shadyman: Correct. WOSI has messaging plugins for 2.x and 1.x, eventually they'll get ported over :P Aug 25 03:24:47 smw: try rebooting the device, I've noticed that also Aug 25 03:25:01 summatusmentis, it only works after a reboot?! Aug 25 03:25:21 How to watch Netflix (and Hulu!) on the HP TouchPad: http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/how-to-watch-netflix-and-hulu-on-the-touchpad.750 Aug 25 03:25:38 hmm, my package of unknown contents has made it to kansas Aug 25 03:25:48 wheres instructions to overclock to 1.7ghz Aug 25 03:26:43 grandy: http://tinyurl.com/3v3dwop Aug 25 03:26:46 Looks like you're not on a Windows PC. You'll need it to run PlayOn. Aug 25 03:26:47 =/ Aug 25 03:26:57 grumble grumble mutter mutter Aug 25 03:26:58 summatusmentis, any way to pull the battery out? lol Aug 25 03:26:59 (yeah, i'm a jerk :x) Aug 25 03:27:37 summatusmentis, I appear to have frozen my tablet... Aug 25 03:28:18 palyon is windo$e only Aug 25 03:28:58 what if, by way off chance, you're a mac AND a webos user? Aug 25 03:29:07 Bmyers, maybe it runs in wine? Aug 25 03:29:31 or, virtualbox, but that would suck alot of resources Aug 25 03:29:43 either way really is dodgy Aug 25 03:29:46 lame Aug 25 03:29:56 perhaps there's a clone of it out there Aug 25 03:31:27 smw: Hold down power + home button for 15 seconds Aug 25 03:31:34 twbbas: how does it work? does it run a browser (on-screen or off-screen?) and then just capture it? or does it act like a web browser itself? Aug 25 03:31:40 twbbas, thanks Aug 25 03:31:50 dwc-: It runs in the browser on the TP. Nothing appears on the computer. Aug 25 03:32:03 It's just a server that runs in the task bar of your windows Aug 25 03:32:25 hmm, wonder how that server component works Aug 25 03:32:34 * dwc- wonders why it has to run on a pc, for one Aug 25 03:32:39 It works on a Mac Aug 25 03:32:41 http://www.playon.tv/support/playon-for-mac Aug 25 03:32:47 You just have to kind of hack it Aug 25 03:33:02 parallels.... to run windows Aug 25 03:33:06 aww Aug 25 03:33:23 that means it doesnt run on mac.. Aug 25 03:33:33 "PlayOn is Windows-only software Aug 25 03:33:39 I didn't read that guide until just now Aug 25 03:33:50 yeah, i know i can run windows and then run windows programs on that VM.. Aug 25 03:33:51 maybe it would work in wine Aug 25 03:34:03 Still, you CAN get it running if you don't have a PC Aug 25 03:34:29 summatusmentis, it did not work Aug 25 03:34:30 if I am running a VM, I do have a PC Aug 25 03:35:10 * Ironsight runs off to play some garrys mod Aug 25 03:35:48 twbbas, do you have any idea why pdf files in the Downloads directory (moved there over usb would not show up in "My TouchPad" in the adobe pdf reader? Aug 25 03:36:26 smw: Nope. It should scan the whole usb drive for pdf files. Aug 25 03:36:50 does the pdf thing need the media indexer? Aug 25 03:37:24 dwc-, I know nothing about it. However, from what is happending I would guess yes Aug 25 03:40:09 dwc-, twbbas, would the media indexer also find my avi file? Aug 25 03:40:29 It sounds like the media indexer is not running on stuff on send over with usb Aug 25 03:40:43 dwc-: no idea. I don't think avi is supported Aug 25 03:40:43 it may have crashed... it does on the phones sometimes Aug 25 03:40:48 avi is not supported though, iirc Aug 25 03:40:50 Have you tried restarting? Aug 25 03:41:36 whoever zachary is THANK YOU Aug 25 03:41:49 free multi format video player for touchpad Aug 25 03:41:50 :) Aug 25 03:46:15 yay! my onSale TP shipped! Aug 25 03:48:07 yay Aug 25 03:48:32 DanielC|Mac: More formats than the photo/video app? Aug 25 03:49:21 im gonna try it now Aug 25 03:50:10 whoa, ijust got a touchpad shipped from OnSale… surprised about that Aug 25 03:51:24 wow Aug 25 03:52:33 who has the hp case for thier touchpad? Aug 25 03:52:44 me Aug 25 03:53:25 uh oh Aug 25 03:53:36 you got the touchstone too? Aug 25 03:53:41 crazy8: Yep Aug 25 03:53:50 on the order status, it shows me my order, but when i hit view, it says Order number is not found in the Vista. Please contact an Account Rep or Manager for more information Aug 25 03:54:24 I've already been charged, and I got a confirmation email on the 20th Aug 25 03:54:34 do you charge it with the front flap covering the screen, or no Aug 25 03:54:55 crazy8: In portrait, I can't put the flap behind the TP. In landscape, the flap goes behind it and charges fine. Aug 25 03:54:55 Xuzz, so onSale actually shipped devices? Aug 25 03:55:02 when the flap is on the back it doesnt sit flush Aug 25 03:55:06 ah ok Aug 25 03:55:07 If I put the flap behind it in portrait, it slides off the dock Aug 25 03:55:11 yeah Aug 25 03:55:17 Landscape, not a problem Aug 25 03:55:25 hemna: yeah, a few Aug 25 03:55:37 do you feel that the touchstone feels kind of cheap? Aug 25 03:55:44 dont get me wrong, i lilke the tech Aug 25 03:55:58 crazy8: I'd say it's worth $40 most to me Aug 25 03:56:11 but it doesnt feel like its worth $80 when they were selling it at that price Aug 25 03:56:25 The original phone touchstone sold for $70 at launch IIRC Aug 25 03:56:29 yeah, i was thinking 40 is the max Aug 25 03:56:29 Now, it's $5 from Verizon Aug 25 03:56:43 nice Aug 25 03:56:48 I have a few Aug 25 03:56:58 I mounted one on my wall next to my bed Aug 25 03:57:11 that is awesome Aug 25 03:57:13 What's the Apple Dock worth, I'd put the Touchstone about $10 above that.. Aug 25 03:57:28 I plan on modding my next phone to work with the touchstone Aug 25 03:57:34 it's just too handy to not use anymore Aug 25 03:57:36 i wish i could find a inductive charger for my phone Aug 25 03:57:37 the apple dock is probably overpriced too Aug 25 03:57:43 Yes Aug 25 03:57:45 It's Apple Aug 25 03:57:53 i dont wanna give up my rad metal back though Aug 25 03:57:58 And even more than that, it's part of the iOS line.. Aug 25 03:58:06 square: you can mod pretty much any phone to work with the touchstone Aug 25 03:58:17 using the same back Aug 25 03:58:41 http://www.androidcentral.com/evo-4g-modded-charge-palm-touchstone Aug 25 03:58:50 even the iphone? Aug 25 03:59:14 probably not the iphone Aug 25 03:59:48 nonremovable batteries ftl Aug 25 04:00:07 there is a video player on preware. Touchplayer but it doesn't install Aug 25 04:00:51 whoa Aug 25 04:00:54 steve jobs? Aug 25 04:01:01 really? Aug 25 04:01:16 He's too uptight for this to be a hoax.. Aug 25 04:01:42 my idol has resigned Aug 25 04:01:44 he has to retire. can't work forever Aug 25 04:01:51 Plus he's dying.. Aug 25 04:02:49 he's not retiring... Aug 25 04:03:01 little time left makes you reflect on how you want to spend it. Aug 25 04:03:32 he is a smoker right Aug 25 04:03:51 the vegan steve jobs is a smoker. sure. Aug 25 04:03:58 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 25 04:05:23 I don't know anythign about the guy Aug 25 04:05:35 All I know he is the CEO of Apple Aug 25 04:05:51 and likes to wear black turtlenecks Aug 25 04:06:25 He's the man behind Pixar and Apple.. I mean really, even if you personally hate him, you gotta give him props.. Aug 25 04:07:29 yea.. the man looks pretty good in a turtleneck. that's not easy. Aug 25 04:07:33 is there a way to transfer files to the tp wireless? Aug 25 04:07:48 box.net.. Aug 25 04:07:58 Deihmos: it's been doing that to me too Aug 25 04:08:06 created some great things, but also a brutally mean manager. Aug 25 04:08:10 scp Aug 25 04:09:35 like transfer stuff from my pc wireless. Wish it had dlna support Aug 25 04:10:02 I'm sure it's for personal reasons, but he couldn't have stepped down at a more triumphant time. Aug 25 04:10:13 Deihmos: yeah it wont install i was talking about it earlier Aug 25 04:10:32 Indeed, this is the best time for him to go.. Apple has never been stronger. Aug 25 04:10:46 Apple has more money than the US govt on hand Aug 25 04:10:48 he should have liquidated some more of his stock first though, heh Aug 25 04:10:49 Apple could do Nothing for the next decade and just live off of their cash on hand.. Aug 25 04:11:06 don't they give3 to charity? Aug 25 04:11:10 he must be in pretty bad shape Aug 25 04:11:24 I always hear abotu Bill Gates and Charity. Never hear anythign about Apple Aug 25 04:11:34 We don't know if Apple donates or not.. they never talk about it.. Likewise with Jobs Aug 25 04:11:35 wonder what he's going to do with all that $ - hes not really been much of a philanthropist Aug 25 04:11:39 of course they do Aug 25 04:11:43 tax deductible Aug 25 04:11:49 Effectively, he's making his medical leave permanent. Aug 25 04:12:09 2011-08-25T03:50:29.862937Z [5094] webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Error: ERROR: native parser didn't like '{"errorText": "Unable to run command: /usr/bin/ar p /media/internal/.developer/com.wordpress.mobilecoder.touchplayer_1.0.1_all.ipk control.tar.gz | /bin/tar -O -z -x --no-anchored -f - control | /bin/sed -n -e 's/^Package: //p' 2>&1", "stdErr": , "returnValue": false, "errorCode": -1, "stage": "failed"}', palmIn Aug 25 04:13:11 Bill Gates is not Microsoft. Apple is not Jobs. Aug 25 04:13:32 root@TouchPad:/var/log# /usr/bin/ar p /media/internal/.developer/com.wordpress.m Aug 25 04:13:33 obilecoder.touchplayer_1.0.1_all.ipk control.tar.gz | tar tvf - Aug 25 04:13:33 /usr/bin/ar: /media/internal/.developer/com.wordpress.mobilecoder.touchplayer_1.0.1_all.ipk: File format not recognized Aug 25 04:13:33 Bill Gates gives away tons of money, Apple owes it to its shareholders. Aug 25 04:13:37 hrm..... Aug 25 04:14:00 I can't seem to find Edit Ringtones for contacts with a replacement phone. Aug 25 04:14:06 Apple doesn't give it to their shareholders either, they keep it in a bank incase they ever need to buy a country or something lol Aug 25 04:14:34 buy Micronesia and chage the name to Macronesia ;-) Aug 25 04:15:11 Why is the ability to have contact specific ringtones missing :-( Aug 25 04:15:31 Buy Turkey, and change it to Chicken. Aug 25 04:17:11 * Ironsight wants a turkey leg now with bbq sauce Aug 25 04:17:25 can anyone please tell me why I can't change contact rings on WebOS v1.4.5.1 nor the settings transferred from Save/Restore? Aug 25 04:20:22 dwc-: looks like a broken package Aug 25 04:21:16 yea, it's a precentral 404 page Aug 25 04:21:19 as it turns out Aug 25 04:21:29 77kb for a 404 page. Aug 25 04:23:30 Ziomatrix theres a patch for that Aug 25 04:23:31 NM Aug 25 04:28:35 hmm Aug 25 04:29:57 hey, anyone with a touchpad out of the us/canada countries by chance? Aug 25 04:30:53 Out of meaning from the US/Canada, or a country Other than the US/Canada ? Aug 25 04:31:32 does anyone know how without worked in prototype Aug 25 04:31:45 i figured it might use splice Aug 25 04:31:52 but when i try using splice i get this error Aug 25 04:31:59 this.setup.nicks.indexOf(nick) Aug 25 04:32:01 oops Aug 25 04:32:06 this.setup.nicks.indexOf(nick) Aug 25 04:32:08 eggg Aug 25 04:32:09 grr Aug 25 04:32:41 Uncaught typerror: converting circular structure to json Aug 25 04:33:43 wow... hp stock is in the dirt compared to 4 months ago Aug 25 04:33:49 PuffTheMagic: that means your trying to modify/enumerate an object which references itself (at least in this case) Aug 25 04:33:50 but it's slowly coming back Aug 25 04:34:03 http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=HPQ#symbol=hpq;range=6m;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=; Aug 25 04:34:14 halfhalo: im just trying to remove something from an array Aug 25 04:34:25 i use indexOf to get the index Aug 25 04:34:34 then do a splice(idx,1) Aug 25 04:36:03 Splice can't cause that error, I presume it's from you debugging statement. Aug 25 04:38:19 * DougReeder waves goodnight. Aug 25 04:40:54 <{DV8}> Ěű Aug 25 04:41:30 can anyone clarify why Setting Ringtones is now missing in Contacts for WebOS v1.4.5.1? Aug 25 04:47:32 Ooo Aug 25 04:47:43 Can we do buttons that are sideways? IE have text rotated 90 degrees Aug 25 04:47:50 hey all' Aug 25 04:48:50 Tibfib_: ping Aug 25 04:48:51 I'mma go right ahead and say "no", because I've yet to see one. Aug 25 04:49:04 Shadyman: sure, you can rotate content Aug 25 04:49:20 Hmm Aug 25 04:49:24 Toolbar up the side of the screen? Aug 25 04:49:33 -webkit-transform: rotate(90deg); Aug 25 04:49:43 hmmmmm Aug 25 04:50:45 apply 180 to the whole document and really confuse them. Aug 25 04:50:59 hahaha Aug 25 04:51:17 rwatkins-mbp: You win 1 internet Aug 25 04:51:59 thanks, should come in handy Aug 25 04:52:28 Well, don't you go losing internets now, they don't grow on trees Aug 25 04:54:10 can anyone outside of the US please check if the Groupon Mobile app appears in the AppCatalog? Aug 25 04:54:30 rwatkins-mbp: you do windows mobile dev? Aug 25 04:55:42 PatrickC_TP: sup can you forward me that email you where gonna forward me yesterday? Aug 25 04:55:58 LoneStar99: I need your email :) Aug 25 04:56:02 PM me if you like Aug 25 04:56:06 PatrickC_TP: not personally no. or atleast not native app dev. Aug 25 04:56:26 ok Aug 25 04:56:32 umm where's the camera app? haha Aug 25 04:56:33 my company has a WP7 app, and I do some web work for it. Aug 25 04:56:42 I'm looking for someone with a mac that does Wp7 dev Aug 25 04:56:49 to see if Parallel is needed Aug 25 04:57:02 PsWii60: in th app catalog if you are looking on the TouchPad :) Aug 25 04:57:07 uh, you need Windows7 for WP7 dev. Aug 25 04:57:10 its .99 IIRC Aug 25 04:57:11 ahh lame Aug 25 04:57:22 rwatkins-mbp: that's what I was afraid of Aug 25 04:57:34 much like you need OSX for iOS dev. Aug 25 04:58:15 yeah.. figured Aug 25 04:58:45 Do I have to do a downgrade to get Set Ringtone in Contacts back? Aug 25 04:58:50 but hey, Android or webOS take your pick. Aug 25 05:00:21 android :( Aug 25 05:01:17 I want to be able to set ringtones for contacts again. :-( Aug 25 05:04:57 I'm not the only one with this problem, check out the comment sections: http://www.precentral.net/oqjayfmn Aug 25 05:05:33 is it a joke that I have to pay $1 to use my camera? Aug 25 05:05:49 maybe someone will write a free camera app Aug 25 05:06:05 hey guys does any one have a keymap for the touchpad using CHroot Aug 25 05:06:45 I have a Pre Plus recent placement with doctored to v1.4.5.1 and the set ringtones is missing from edit contacts. What do I do? Aug 25 05:07:42 Is it possible to change the icons of bookmarks in the browser, or in the Launcher ? Aug 25 05:10:49 Ryoken|Desktop: on the TouchPad I dont think so - you can on webOS 2.x Aug 25 05:17:26 I'm basically having the same problem as a few of the commenters here: http://www.precentral.net/oqjayfmn Aug 25 05:22:08 So apparently webkit will only rotate what was visible when it was horizontal Aug 25 05:22:25 so if my 700px-long object only has 50px visible, it'll only rotate 50px. Aug 25 05:31:38 Has anyone used this? http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-js-service-framework . Do you know if this gives all apps unrestricted root access? Could it be a security risk? Aug 25 05:32:25 I believe Internalz Pro uses it Aug 25 05:37:13 PatrickC_TP, is it a security risk? Aug 25 05:37:29 smw: not sure Aug 25 05:37:39 PatrickC_TP, on android, you normally install a superuser app that requests your permission before giving root Aug 25 05:38:11 PatrickC_TP, so you could give it to your trusted wifi app but not a pirated game :-) Aug 25 05:38:40 I have no clue about android :) Aug 25 05:38:48 I've been on webOS for the past 2 years Aug 25 05:57:08 hmm Aug 25 05:57:18 im getting installation failed on my mac with the novacom drivers Aug 25 06:03:04 * Ironsight tries to find a decent font for irc... Aug 25 06:08:45 smw: only the apps which use it Aug 25 06:08:58 any voice recorders built for the tp? Aug 25 06:09:18 rwhitby, in other words, any app that feels like acting maliciously :-) Aug 25 06:09:38 smw: apps in the app catalog can't use it of course Aug 25 06:09:51 smw: anything you sideload, you takes your chances. Aug 25 06:10:15 rwhitby, I disagree. That is what sandboxing is for :-P Aug 25 06:10:31 smw: sure, and webOS homebrew doesn't have it. Aug 25 06:10:44 ok Aug 25 06:10:47 I'm off to bed Aug 25 06:10:48 no disagreement. patches welcome ;) Aug 25 06:10:48 nigh all Aug 25 06:10:51 night* Aug 25 06:11:13 rwhitby, of course. It was easier to just pay $7 for that media player app :-P Aug 25 06:11:40 rwhitby, I think it was worth $7 :-) Aug 25 06:12:07 smw: I hear http://bit.ly/phd-ac is a good one too. Aug 25 06:13:05 Oh shoot Aug 25 06:13:35 rwhitby, wtf?! that is palm.com?! Is it official or something? Aug 25 06:13:48 ah nm Aug 25 06:14:03 it is the app store info Aug 25 06:15:22 rwhitby, they charge for it :-P Aug 25 06:15:47 smw: check the author ;) Aug 25 06:16:29 rwhitby, Some guy named rob Aug 25 06:16:35 what is your point? :-P Aug 25 06:17:02 rwhitby, I would be against buying it... but 431 5 star ratings can't be wrong Aug 25 06:17:23 rwhitby, have you made a fortune off it yet? ;-) Aug 25 06:18:25 If I had, would I be spruiking it here? Aug 25 06:35:06 soooo Aug 25 06:35:23 anyone got a touchpad to sell at cost for a webos dev? Aug 25 06:41:58 there was some work being done on an mplayer port. I'd love to see it on the TP it was great on the phones. but controls were strictly physical keyboard Aug 25 06:42:11 it would need an overlay for controls on the TP Aug 25 06:54:11 Woop woop Aug 25 07:06:51 hi jordan Aug 25 07:09:16 Jack87 yo Aug 25 07:09:23 Jack87 Do I know you? Aug 25 07:10:05 kesne: why would you address him if you didn't know him? lol Aug 25 07:10:14 Yes! Aug 25 07:10:18 Tommy: He said "hi jordan" Aug 25 07:10:20 I am Jordan. Aug 25 07:10:23 oh, i see. Aug 25 07:10:27 Jack87: Okay, remind me here. Aug 25 07:10:30 i figured jordan was a nick in here Aug 25 07:10:30 It's late, forgive me Aug 25 07:10:32 Jack :) Aug 25 07:10:35 lol Aug 25 07:10:44 Jack87: I know a lot of jacks. Aug 25 07:10:46 Give me a second... Aug 25 07:10:55 jack of all trades? Aug 25 07:12:01 Tommy: Jack of none Aug 25 07:13:24 master of none. Aug 25 07:13:30 I am the master of all. Aug 25 07:13:45 hotdp: Okay, I know I've asked this already, but what's up with your username Aug 25 07:13:52 You never answered me last time! Aug 25 07:15:20 kesne: he wants some hot double penetration Aug 25 07:15:21 duh Aug 25 07:17:08 Tommy: I wish! Aug 25 07:17:20 o.o Aug 25 07:17:26 kesne: u gay? Aug 25 07:17:49 oh wait i forgot this is #webos, topic change. Aug 25 07:17:53 kesne: you get a touchpad? Aug 25 07:18:37 Tommy: Yes! Aug 25 07:18:45 Tommy: To the latter question Aug 25 07:19:06 kesne: i'm jelly Aug 25 07:19:20 i'm refreshing hp.com all the time to see when they'll be getting them in stock again :( Aug 25 07:19:44 heh Aug 25 07:19:52 Get the android one! Aug 25 07:19:59 trololo Aug 25 07:20:59 :( I paid 29.99 for last keyboard at office depot and I can't justify paying a pent more now. most places are selling at 34.99 + shipping+ tax... sad :( Aug 25 07:21:29 I have no touchpad accessories :( Aug 25 07:21:33 Except for a case Aug 25 07:21:41 kesne: lol, android touchpad? Aug 25 07:21:49 Tommy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-32GB-running-Android-/230664585087?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item35b4ae3f7#ht_500wt_1152 Aug 25 07:22:04 lol gonna sell for a ton if it's legit Aug 25 07:22:18 maybe it's the qualcomm test unit Aug 25 07:22:29 seems to be Aug 25 07:22:51 honestly dude, if HP just put android on all of the rest of their remaining stock of touchpads, they could sell them all for $400 apiece Aug 25 07:23:03 probably a much better idea than selling them for $99-150 Aug 25 07:23:16 trololo Aug 25 07:23:26 i doubt Aug 25 07:23:44 why would anyone want an android TP? lameness Aug 25 07:23:49 eurisko: you doubt an android tablet with a 1.2ghz qualcomm processor and adreno 220 would sell for $400? Aug 25 07:23:50 anyway selling them for 99 is playn stupid Aug 25 07:24:03 Jack87: because it's not a tegra 2, and that's the only thing you can find in android tablets these days Aug 25 07:24:10 no i don't doubt tommy Aug 25 07:24:19 i doubt that someone will bought it Aug 25 07:24:29 come on... look at the galaxy tabs Aug 25 07:24:35 look at their price... Aug 25 07:24:39 they don't sell the rest is bull shit Aug 25 07:24:56 the asus iconia 16gb is $400, and that sells. Aug 25 07:25:10 and it's just another tegra 2 tablet, like all the rest Aug 25 07:25:37 Tommy: fyi... that ebay ad... its not rally running android. its just a generic ad that some moron put up who doesn't know what they are talking about Aug 25 07:25:41 200,000 units by now? Aug 25 07:25:50 Jack87: k Aug 25 07:26:06 eurisko: would you rather sell at a moderate and steady pace for $400 or sell them all at once for $99? Aug 25 07:26:36 Tommy, i agree with you i would never take that agreesive price drop Aug 25 07:26:39 think of the money HP is losing Aug 25 07:26:41 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2103532/hp-lose-usd400m-touchpad-price-cuts Aug 25 07:26:57 but i would make a price cut Aug 25 07:27:07 oh of course Aug 25 07:27:10 $400 would be a price cut Aug 25 07:27:18 for something arround 349$ , 399$ Aug 25 07:27:21 but the fact is, it'll sell faster with android than with webOS Aug 25 07:27:30 eurisko: didn't i say sell it for $400? lol, you just repeated what i said Aug 25 07:27:43 but not with android Aug 25 07:27:48 right, because you prefer webOS Aug 25 07:27:56 the hp objective is to implement webos Aug 25 07:27:58 i'm talking from a business decision standpoint, not a "well i prefer this OS" standpoint Aug 25 07:28:01 it may not be generic but it seems fake as hell Aug 25 07:28:11 Jack87: doubt it, look at the videos Aug 25 07:28:12 i am talking from a business standpoint tommy Aug 25 07:28:29 eurisko: so you're assuming HP will license webOS in the future Aug 25 07:28:36 rather than just selling it off Aug 25 07:28:46 you guys do know HP is the number one computer maker in the world... the money they are losing is chump change for them Aug 25 07:28:53 no i am not, saying what hp should have done Aug 25 07:28:53 business standpoint would dictate that putting android on it would be admitting defeat. They want to get webOS into as many hands as possible. Aug 25 07:28:59 they are about to put up 11billion to buy out a company Aug 25 07:29:51 Jack87: you do know they're selling off their PC business as well Aug 25 07:30:01 from what we're hearing, that seems to be the case at least Aug 25 07:30:32 kesne: ping Aug 25 07:30:38 hotdp: yo Aug 25 07:30:45 Tommy, just calm down, maybe something like agilent will happen Aug 25 07:30:48 nothing more Aug 25 07:30:50 I am pretty sure i told you last time Aug 25 07:30:53 eurisko: agilent? Aug 25 07:31:01 hotdp: You never did Aug 25 07:31:01 It stands for Deep Penetration because of the size Aug 25 07:31:08 Haha Aug 25 07:31:12 Well then Aug 25 07:31:26 eurisko: i'm totally calm, i don't care what happens to HP in all honesty Aug 25 07:31:45 hotdp: the size of your webOS handset, of course Aug 25 07:31:51 Tommy: yup Aug 25 07:31:53 you use the veer right? ;) Aug 25 07:32:03 * kesne is afraid of rwhitby Aug 25 07:32:18 agilent was the old hp lab equipement division Aug 25 07:32:18 * Shadyman is afraid of the trolls Aug 25 07:32:39 Shadyman: who's trollin? Aug 25 07:32:42 kesne: we are all afraid of rwhitby Aug 25 07:32:47 not meee Aug 25 07:33:02 they kept being one of the players in the industry side by side with tektronix Aug 25 07:33:06 he's a nice fella, if i was gonna get banned it would've happened by now, so i just take it no further and no worries mate :D Aug 25 07:34:03 so i think some new company will acomomodate the pc division, i don't really believe it will be "sold" to some asian company Aug 25 07:34:36 but regarding computers i couldn't care less Aug 25 07:34:47 i never had a hp computer Aug 25 07:35:20 * Jack87 thinks webOS is much better fit to the TP Aug 25 07:35:32 hehe I am wircing, browsing web, and watching that video all at once Aug 25 07:35:56 do you guys think hp will ditch the calculators business? Aug 25 07:36:31 if they're ditching the entirety of PSG, it was pointed out to me today that calcs is under that Aug 25 07:36:39 Does anyone happen to remember what that site was which listed the stores selling touchpads cheaply? Aug 25 07:37:11 slickdeals? Aug 25 07:37:51 Don't think it was that Aug 25 07:37:58 jo does it make sense to overclock the tp for chroot Aug 25 07:38:09 touchpadtracker.com Aug 25 07:38:45 Yeah was more like that but the list was longer :D Aug 25 07:42:35 zomg: i think you can be sure there are none left Aug 25 07:42:48 Yeah was just looking out for a friend Aug 25 07:43:12 There was some euro sites mentioned on that other page I saw, since no european store seems to have them discounted yet they might have some stocked Aug 25 07:44:42 I think I saw one eruo store discounting Aug 25 07:44:47 or maybe that was just the pre 3 Aug 25 07:44:56 * Jack87 wanted pre 3 for $75 Aug 25 07:47:02 zomg: Argos hat the TP Aug 25 07:47:35 so did play.com Aug 25 07:47:45 _had_ Aug 25 07:47:48 Yeah :P Aug 25 07:49:36 Perhaps I'll get one of those touchstone charging docks Aug 25 07:49:49 since mine is going to come with the american charger which isn't compatible with the euro outlets Aug 25 07:51:02 zomg: if its the same charger as for the Pixi/ Pre etc... they will work with UK of you get the correct conector Aug 25 07:51:25 shame as Palm use to supply them with all the adaptors Aug 25 07:52:19 Yeah my Pre 2 UK ver. came with the schuko plug in addition to the wonky british one Aug 25 07:52:44 Someone said the pre 2 charger would work with the touchpad but it would probably be slower than charging with its own one Aug 25 07:59:18 correct Aug 25 07:59:26 the phone chargers are 1A max Aug 25 07:59:33 the touchpad charger is 2A max Aug 25 08:00:11 if you have the screen on, and are charging off a usb port (500mA) it is questionable whether you will have a net charge Aug 25 08:16:09 actually most usb ports provide a good amount over .5a Aug 25 08:16:18 because of all the shit that people connect to them Aug 25 08:16:35 but yes its still slower charge and insufficient for tablet Aug 25 08:20:27 ive gotta admit, the webos is pretty damn good Aug 25 08:20:34 -the Aug 25 08:40:44 completely offtopic: Anyone know why hulu decided to block hp touchpads? Aug 25 08:41:28 i think its something to do with licensing, more $ and all that Aug 25 08:41:38 hp needs to pay them for them to ok hulu Aug 25 08:42:21 wait, they expect the device maker to pay for the users to have the privilege of watching ads? Aug 25 08:42:36 well i think it cuts into hulu+ territory Aug 25 08:42:38 and if that is the case, why does it work on computers? lol Aug 25 08:42:42 which they dont like or something Aug 25 08:42:46 ok Aug 25 08:44:28 most tablets are blocked anyway Aug 25 08:44:33 exception is ipad Aug 25 08:45:18 I HAVE BLAME Aug 25 08:45:26 HOMELESS BLAME Aug 25 08:45:52 and Aug 25 08:45:58 i am going to go get a gyro! Aug 25 08:49:06 hulu blocked the TP already? Aug 25 08:49:07 :D Aug 25 08:49:07 blegh Aug 25 08:49:34 popular! Aug 25 08:49:44 hulu blocked the TP between monday afternoon when I showed it to a co-worker, and tuesday morning Aug 25 08:50:09 do they block by user-agent? Aug 25 08:50:19 unclear Aug 25 08:50:24 (to me at least) Aug 25 08:50:37 think it's based on flash Aug 25 08:50:43 they block by the flash's user agent Aug 25 08:50:43 and not browser header Aug 25 08:50:58 ok fine "version id" Aug 25 08:51:02 :-) Aug 25 08:51:02 oh well hulu is forcing me to pirate Aug 25 08:51:25 I already got a real media player installed :-) Aug 25 08:51:27 ... right. Aug 25 08:51:45 lonequid, now I need to find some way to have shows automatically transfered to the tablet! Aug 25 08:52:07 im going to try to get sabnzbd installed in the chroot Aug 25 08:52:10 ;o Aug 25 08:52:18 lol Aug 25 09:02:09 hello, i cannot find a way to close the application in webos mac simulator. the esc key doesn't seem to work. please help Aug 25 09:03:11 webos 3.0.2.652 Aug 25 09:05:31 thisisit: which application? Aug 25 09:06:05 all applications Aug 25 09:06:36 infact i am using photos application right now Aug 25 09:06:56 is it only possible to use the terminal to close the application? Aug 25 09:12:11 I would like to know that as well... the emulator is... kinda weird in that aspect :( Aug 25 09:13:04 i just reset the vm Aug 25 09:13:44 still no luck Aug 25 09:14:37 anyway the arrow keys work. but cannot minimize or close the application Aug 25 09:14:41 please help Aug 25 09:17:37 just one way i could manage this. opening help gives a small time interval to close the cards. but when loading the hello world application it is not possible Aug 25 09:20:05 someone help Aug 25 09:21:56 thisisit: try home key Aug 25 09:22:17 there is no home key in my keyboard Aug 25 09:22:27 like virtual keyboard? Aug 25 09:22:52 no regular keyboard Aug 25 09:23:26 there is no home key in my keyboard. it is an apple keyboard. lol Aug 25 09:27:14 I guess hulu blocked webos Aug 25 09:28:15 as if they have a webos app? Aug 25 09:28:27 what was the point of that? Aug 25 09:29:09 not even the mac virtual keyboard works. Aug 25 09:30:52 supposedly ORB let's you stream hulu/netflix to your tablet Aug 25 09:38:35 i had to use a virtual keyboard. home key. thanks plov. home key worked. thatnks Aug 25 09:38:44 *thanks plov Aug 25 09:49:06 Anyone around to answer an utter n00b question Aug 25 09:49:57 ask and you'll find out Aug 25 09:49:58 I have a touchpad. I have installed Preware, and through it OpenSSH and SDLTerminal. How do I get those programs to launch? There's nothing in the application list pages. Aug 25 09:50:36 whats SDLTerminal? :o Aug 25 09:50:51 openssh is CLI only Aug 25 09:51:02 yeah, so how do I get to a CLI? Aug 25 09:51:17 terminal app, xterm, novaterm, sshd, etc Aug 25 09:51:32 SDLTerminal is the only terminal package in preware's lists... and it doesn't show up as a thing I can start. Aug 25 09:52:10 I'm not wedded to that, anything that'll let me get to the CLI from on the device itself (rather than via novaterm) will do... Aug 25 09:52:13 does preware update stuff for me? Aug 25 09:52:49 or will it tell me if theres an update? Aug 25 09:52:55 not automatically. and it won't give you a notification of updates either unless you launch it Aug 25 09:53:15 firedrake: I think the best supported at the moment is the xecutah/xserver/xterm combination Aug 25 09:53:23 but it is in the testing feeds, not in the main feeds Aug 25 09:53:34 dwc-, pointers to instructions most welcome Aug 25 09:54:08 dwc-: well I mean in preware it'll tell me? thats all I was wodnerign because I didn't see any way to check Aug 25 09:54:17 Firedrake: onesec theres a blgo post I used thats most excellent Aug 25 09:54:24 Firedrake: http://www.dragonarmydropout.me/2011/08/getting-terminal-onto-your-touchpad.html Aug 25 09:54:32 jrabbit: yes. the main screen that has 'updates, installed apps, available apps, etc' Aug 25 09:54:40 Thanks, jrabbit. I'll try it. Aug 25 09:55:30 I haven't had much of a chance to see which packages are available for touchpad Aug 25 09:56:08 there was a different xterm package, and terminus, that I use on my pre2 Aug 25 09:57:16 dwc-: have you used connectbot before on android? Aug 25 09:57:25 I don't think so. Aug 25 09:57:31 esp. connectbot irssi Aug 25 09:57:45 I have no android device, so probably not? Aug 25 09:58:00 a hacked connectbot with double tab bound to alt-a Aug 25 09:58:30 what do I need alt-a for? Aug 25 09:58:39 ah well its fairoy mature on android and well liked if you need any roadmap for supporting extra keys and such Aug 25 09:58:53 irssi :P Aug 25 09:59:23 ahh. I believe there are current improvements going on for this xecutah/xterm combo Aug 25 09:59:33 and they give a list of key combos for screen on long tap Aug 25 09:59:36 I don't even know what alt-a does Aug 25 09:59:45 oh you're not involved? Aug 25 09:59:54 switches windows Aug 25 10:00:12 I use ctrl n/p and alt-[1-90qwerty...(etc)] Aug 25 10:00:33 ctrl a goes to the next most recent active window Aug 25 10:00:47 no, I'm not involved with any of the terminal projects Aug 25 10:00:52 the behavior changes every few releases and patch cycles with debian Aug 25 10:17:03 Yay, I have an xterm. But no onscreen keyboard. Hmm. Rotation lock is on but has no effect, XS keyboard is selected in tweaks, what have I missed? Aug 25 10:17:18 Firedrake: you need 3.0.2 Aug 25 10:17:53 jrabbit, aha, "System Updates"... ta. Aug 25 10:19:09 Thanks again; I'll go away and download it, and probably come back in a panic later. :-) Aug 25 10:26:14 anyone willing to sell a tp at cost to a webOS dev who got his order cancelled by onsale? Aug 25 10:46:44 any reason not to update my stock touchpad? Aug 25 10:52:14 hey, I've been trying to format my webos app for the touchpad... what part of the html do I change and what do I change it to? Aug 25 10:52:32 can someone tell me what "lsusb" returns when they have a pre2 plugged in? Aug 25 10:57:37 * gokr possibly have my first silly little app to publish :) Aug 25 10:57:50 Not really interesting to anyone though. Aug 25 10:59:56 and who said there wouldn't be new developers for webOS ;) Aug 25 11:02:08 i filed a bug against freedesktop.org so the touchpad JustWorks(tm) as a portable player device for syncing in Linux media player apps. Aug 25 11:03:02 rwhitby: its definitely wrong :) Aug 25 11:18:28 wooo Aug 25 11:18:32 i just got a ton of apps Aug 25 11:18:39 (including homebrew docs) Aug 25 11:19:20 also my downloads shot sky high for clearview, just overnight Aug 25 11:34:36 directhex: Bus 002 Device 019: ID 0830:8042 Palm, Inc. Aug 25 11:37:00 leiru, dev mode enabled, yes? Aug 25 11:43:11 directhex: yep and not in usb mode Aug 25 11:43:19 usb-drive-mode Aug 25 11:44:42 leiru, if you disable dev mode, it'll be 0830:0844, if my pattern recognition is working Aug 25 11:46:16 directhex: no its the same? Aug 25 11:47:03 leiru, that sounds odd - the touchpad, pre3, and pre- all use 08x4 for regular mode, and 08x2 for dev mode Aug 25 11:47:23 mom Aug 25 11:47:24 Bus 002 Device 062: ID 0830:8044 Palm, Inc. Aug 25 11:47:35 ah now i see the difference Aug 25 11:47:52 (that was off) Aug 25 11:48:15 anyone with a pixi, pixi plus, or pre plus, want to lspci it? Aug 25 11:49:37 um, lsusb Aug 25 11:49:41 a PCI mobile phone would be interesting Aug 25 12:10:27 ppk gripes about webOS Aug 25 12:10:28 http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2011/08/twelve_steps_fo.html Aug 25 12:10:39 I wonder if he even ever tried Mojo, Enyo or the SDK... Aug 25 12:11:48 Some of the points are good but I don't really think just having jQuery out of the box and nothing else would be a really brilliant idea Aug 25 12:12:16 And at least personally I've found the SDK very, very easy to use - much more so than any other mobile device SDK's Aug 25 12:13:43 eclipse, though. blurgh Aug 25 12:13:58 Never used that, I just used the command line tools Aug 25 12:14:15 Oh and of course the emulator Aug 25 12:14:27 Those are quite the time savers in my opinion Aug 25 12:16:47 this article was written today? what the Aug 25 12:17:07 wouldve been more impressive if it was written a few months ago Aug 25 12:18:19 I see people have started to pop up on the internet with Panda pads Aug 25 12:25:51 mornin' Aug 25 12:32:08 guys does the box.net also working for german users? Aug 25 12:38:42 Well that was odd. Aug 25 12:39:00 I went out to dinner after work with the mate from Google, and was showing him some of the stuff with the TouchPad. Aug 25 12:39:36 And the waitress not only asked about the tablet, but knew what Linux was and commented that it was interesting that Linux applications could be run on it! Aug 25 12:40:03 A waitress at a diner is the last person I expect to hear anything like that from :P Aug 25 12:40:53 that is surprising.. did you get her number? ;) Aug 25 12:41:56 hehe Aug 25 12:46:05 how old was she? Aug 25 12:46:30 because younger people now know about linux and more techy stuff Aug 25 12:47:28 would not be surprised if in like 10 years the younger generation 90% of them knew some basic scripting Aug 25 12:47:58 plov: with how consumer tech is going I'd suspect the complete opposite Aug 25 12:48:35 see I think it's going just the opposite too... everyone's a consumer and even tech junkies live at a higher level of abstraction Aug 25 12:49:07 there will always be the types who seek to understand how things actually work Aug 25 12:49:23 so they finished the android port? Aug 25 12:51:49 johnfromnix: My lanyard reads "gaydar.com.au" Aug 25 12:52:06 So that would imply that getting her number wasn't really a priority to me. Aug 25 12:53:46 plov: its a possible future. Aug 25 12:58:16 enyo question, how to hide-unhide a div element? I had it but I forgot how to :@ Aug 25 12:58:51 .show()? Aug 25 12:59:04 thats in jquery atleast Aug 25 12:59:33 mmm.. lemme see Aug 25 13:00:47 nope, that wasn't Aug 25 13:01:25 or perhaps I did something wrong elsewhere Aug 25 13:02:55 i was just guessing based on jquery Aug 25 13:03:18 iirc the full way is showelement or something Aug 25 13:03:29 check the mdn js docs. Aug 25 13:04:25 NuttyBunny: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript Aug 25 13:04:41 Not mozilla nor eyno specific :) Aug 25 13:04:51 But a great refrence for straight javascript Aug 25 13:05:22 Yep, it's in my bookmarks, but I remember there was a enyo specific way to do it Aug 25 13:06:14 ah :) Aug 25 13:07:15 NuttyBunny: this.$.myelement.show() Aug 25 13:07:59 so it does have jquery :P Aug 25 13:08:09 leiru: not working... I'll do it with a static image Aug 25 13:10:33 is there a clearly prefered todo list app? Aug 25 13:13:06 for tp? no idea Aug 25 13:15:24 well webos in general Aug 25 13:15:30 hmm is there a way to "lock" the browser scrolling so you can swipe inside of a flash app? Aug 25 13:16:54 lonequid: no idea Aug 25 13:17:03 i want to play defend your castle :( Aug 25 13:17:23 mybe try and run it fullscreen? i.e. straight ot the swf Aug 25 13:17:27 tried that Aug 25 13:18:24 hm Aug 25 13:20:45 double tap on the flash element Aug 25 13:24:03 is it just me or are android users jerks Aug 25 13:24:06 it seems like Aug 25 13:24:18 i mean i guess maybe i'm a jerk too Aug 25 13:25:05 fxspec06: whats worse is I'm a linux and mac user too! Aug 25 13:25:14 thats like 3x the jerkiness right? Aug 25 13:25:25 no way! Aug 25 13:25:28 mac users aren't jerks Aug 25 13:25:33 people that hate mac users are jerks Aug 25 13:25:50 jrabbit you're not an OpenBSD desktop user though, those are the worst. ;-) Aug 25 13:26:01 and linux users are fine, unless you're hardcore 'OMFG LINUX4LYFE L33T A;GNADSF;NUGASIGU' and you have zero credentials Aug 25 13:26:32 I was like /version me until i saw the zero credentials bit Aug 25 13:26:59 i don't hate mac users Aug 25 13:27:03 i hate the company Aug 25 13:27:15 and i disapporve of many mac users Aug 25 13:27:42 but more than likely it is none of you guys Aug 25 13:28:22 * rwhitby-tp is typing on a mac ;-) Aug 25 13:28:41 it's the people who just buy it without making an informed purchase. maybe i am wrong but i don't think people go to a car dealership and ONLY buy a car based on the brand name. they do some comparison shopping Aug 25 13:28:44 EdLin lol: OpenBSD desktop is super hardcore (and hard to imagine) Aug 25 13:28:59 and look into the cars specs some Aug 25 13:29:11 johnfromnix yeah, considering the state of ports on OpenBSD. :) Aug 25 13:29:11 rwhitby-tp, I get a segmentation fault when running synergyc from the ubuntu chroot :( Aug 25 13:29:23 but the same is to be said about many pc users Aug 25 13:29:41 and those are a lot of the people switching to macs because they buy the cheapest junk pc and complain and windows sucking Aug 25 13:29:45 why run it in the chroot? Aug 25 13:30:26 apple has such a great busines smodel i am jealous Aug 25 13:30:36 rwhitby-tp, I've always run it as a user in ubuntu on my machine, I run it as a user in the chroot (webos, not root) Aug 25 13:33:15 can I mount and run ubuntu without installing ubuntu on my pc? There WAS a way mentioned by someone a while back, just said it is slower. Aug 25 13:33:36 Tibfib_: ping Aug 25 13:34:07 siestacat, you can boot it from CD Aug 25 13:34:21 or from USB drive Aug 25 13:34:23 siestacat: or from a usb drive and you can get write access Aug 25 13:34:31 NuttyBunny++ Aug 25 13:34:34 NuttyBunny: hey! Aug 25 13:35:12 f*ck it, stupid preview, Y DONT U WORK?! Aug 25 13:35:23 PatrickC_TP, hey! Aug 25 13:35:36 what did you break now? lol Aug 25 13:37:10 preview of the last picture taken in nuttycam, it isn't working. It's supposed to be shown with setShowing(true), but it doesn't! Aug 25 13:37:52 Great, now where the fuck I left the laptop charger?! Aug 25 13:38:07 sorry for the cursing... Aug 25 13:38:48 lol Aug 25 13:38:55 at least you are making progress ;) Aug 25 13:39:08 well, guess I'll have to finish it on the TP, laptop says it has just 10 mins left :S Aug 25 13:40:13 * NuttyBunny thanks PuffTheMagic for TIDE, rwhitby-tp and friends for Firefox on Ubuntu on TP, oil for wIRC :) brb Aug 25 13:42:19 I could even publish it from the TP if I wanted to Aug 25 13:44:36 how? Aug 25 13:45:25 palm-package + firefox... I even can take the screenshots here Aug 25 13:45:57 morn'n Aug 25 13:57:51 wow. clearview is crushing everything Aug 25 13:58:11 sales are sky high Aug 25 13:59:55 NuttyBunny Aug 25 14:00:02 and directhex Aug 25 14:00:07 I was referring to installing it on my tp Aug 25 14:02:47 siestacat: you mean creating a file and mounting it as a filesystem? Aug 25 14:03:55 whats the trick to installing touchplayer w mpeg ? Aug 25 14:05:06 quickinstall says i dont have all the dependencies Aug 25 14:06:18 Anyone planing to have a go at Bada - I see samsung dropped the 2.0 SDK today. Aug 25 14:06:37 Why go Bada when you can go phonegap and build for bada Aug 25 14:06:38 ? Aug 25 14:07:42 good point Aug 25 14:10:07 Anyone see this? Aug 25 14:10:09 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/25/alleged-hp-touchpad-running-android-appears-can-be-yours-on-eba/#disqus_thread Aug 25 14:10:18 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/25/alleged-hp-touchpad-running-android-appears-can-be-yours-on-eba Aug 25 14:10:35 * Hendikins smacks somebody down for spamming PreCentral on Whirlpool. Aug 25 14:13:38 CTLAdvance: but why¨? Aug 25 14:14:17 Bada is a world of hurt Aug 25 14:14:39 Never played with it - Samsung certainly seem to be pumping a ton of money into it Aug 25 14:16:50 CTLAdvance: wow.. $2000 Aug 25 14:16:55 lol Aug 25 14:17:46 NuttyBunny: welcome back ;) Aug 25 14:18:38 whats 2000? Aug 25 14:18:45 that touchpad Aug 25 14:18:49 thx Aug 25 14:18:53 Its at 710USD right now Aug 25 14:19:44 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-32GB-running-Android-/230664585087?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item35b4ae3f7 Aug 25 14:20:00 I wonder if this was actually shipped like this as the person claims Aug 25 14:20:21 I dont know why anyone would ever pay for android 2.2 Aug 25 14:20:39 on a touchpad Aug 25 14:20:59 you don't pay for android, you pay for the work involved in putting it into the tp Aug 25 14:22:40 that's so stupid Aug 25 14:22:53 that's the most idiotic thing i have ever seen Aug 25 14:23:16 or heard of Aug 25 14:23:32 i feel dumber just by thinking about it Aug 25 14:23:52 fxspec06: lol Aug 25 14:23:55 what? paying for android? or using android on the tp? Aug 25 14:24:13 apparently they are paying for a $149 touchpad with android 2.2 Aug 25 14:24:18 user claims it came this way Aug 25 14:24:25 paying $700 for an android touchpad Aug 25 14:24:26 so really hes not paying for that Aug 25 14:24:32 yep Aug 25 14:24:33 loool Aug 25 14:24:41 wait came from HP? that way? Aug 25 14:24:46 maybe it was a test unit Aug 25 14:24:47 no Aug 25 14:24:51 it didn't come from HP Aug 25 14:24:53 oh nvm Aug 25 14:24:55 :) Aug 25 14:25:06 The person claims that it did Aug 25 14:25:09 thats all I am saying Aug 25 14:25:10 well I heard they hacked webos onto an ipad for a comparison Aug 25 14:25:24 that's a flat out lie Aug 25 14:25:28 so if that claim from some news article Aug 25 14:25:48 Google probably sent it to him Aug 25 14:25:49 my 2 TP 32s arriving at anytime today =) Aug 25 14:26:01 jrabbit: it was enyo on the ipad browser Aug 25 14:26:25 like seriously Aug 25 14:26:31 $710? Aug 25 14:26:33 FOR WHAT Aug 25 14:26:35 NuttyBunny: ah Aug 25 14:26:48 2.2 is like garbage Aug 25 14:26:49 i can't understand that Aug 25 14:26:54 yes i know Aug 25 14:26:55 fxspec06: lol thats hilalrious that someone would pay that much Aug 25 14:26:56 hell 2.3 is like garbage Aug 25 14:26:58 even for honeycomb Aug 25 14:27:00 theres comparable android tablets Aug 25 14:27:03 $710 Aug 25 14:27:07 for 32gb w/ honeycomb Aug 25 14:27:09 honeycomb isnt garbage Aug 25 14:27:11 WTF Aug 25 14:27:12 but its not awesome Aug 25 14:27:23 paying that much for it is just... Aug 25 14:27:27 why Aug 25 14:27:34 what would be neat Aug 25 14:27:35 HP wishes they could get that for a touchpad Aug 25 14:27:45 is a DEX emulator for webos Aug 25 14:27:45 F android Aug 25 14:27:55 android people won't pay that much for an android device Aug 25 14:28:03 Hello Aug 25 14:28:05 if HP were to put android on the touchpad and sell it same price Aug 25 14:28:09 android people usually dont even pay for apps Aug 25 14:28:11 it would have done JUST as bad Aug 25 14:28:26 yeah, ebcause they torrent them Aug 25 14:28:26 all Aug 25 14:28:32 fn crooks Aug 25 14:28:33 CTLAdvance: plus we block ads :3 Aug 25 14:28:44 android is big because most user came from dumb phones... and couldnt care less to buy an app Aug 25 14:28:58 or wont unless its free, with or without adds Aug 25 14:29:00 ads Aug 25 14:29:04 android is big because most user are dumb phones... Aug 25 14:29:11 FIFY Aug 25 14:29:54 No good news about device for Developer? Aug 25 14:30:00 Damn is OOS everywhere Aug 25 14:30:03 not yet iMarck90 Aug 25 14:30:10 and on my country is not coming no more :( Aug 25 14:30:49 Ah ok thanks :( Aug 25 14:30:51 Anyprecentral.com admins here? Aug 25 14:32:12 iMarck90, what country is that? Aug 25 14:32:18 Italy Aug 25 14:32:27 is coming to end of year Aug 25 14:32:56 but no more... Aug 25 14:33:24 webos connect event? Aug 25 14:34:21 spinning waiting scrim while trying to install touchplay from preware.. any one have luck installing this? Aug 25 14:35:00 Looks like if you have a loaner - 149 + shipping Aug 25 14:35:02 to keep it Aug 25 14:35:09 no further discounts Aug 25 14:35:43 NuttyBunny only the event on italy Aug 25 14:35:46 But no device Aug 25 14:35:58 HP is currently flashing all remaining touchpads to android 2.2 for this firesale Aug 25 14:36:00 We don't have any webOS device (Pre 3 and Touchpad) Aug 25 14:36:19 iMarck90: we don't have those in Mexico either :( Aug 25 14:36:28 :( Aug 25 14:36:49 PatrickC_TP: Do you still have your loaner Aug 25 14:36:51 in fact, we officially have ONLY the first gen GSM Pre (minus) on Telcel :@ Aug 25 14:37:03 CTLAdvance: yes Aug 25 14:37:13 but I have the ones I bought sitting down stairs in their box Aug 25 14:37:47 fxspec06: you said clearcard was doing good? like how good? Aug 25 14:37:53 I'm not a certified developer Aug 25 14:38:09 How i develop? without a device? Aug 25 14:38:15 use the emulator Aug 25 14:38:21 it's doing well Aug 25 14:38:55 Is not the same.. i developing for iOS, i have an iPhone and it everything ok... when i developing on iPad i have always need a friend or beta tester Aug 25 14:39:00 to test the application Aug 25 14:39:16 sweet Aug 25 14:39:38 PatrickC_TP: it was 39th in Productivity last night, this mroning it's 31st Aug 25 14:39:40 If HP don't want webOS die, provide some device for developer Aug 25 14:39:44 iMarck90: the emulator will work for about 90% of the stuff Aug 25 14:39:48 developers* Aug 25 14:39:53 out of a lot Aug 25 14:39:56 iMarck90: they are working on it Aug 25 14:40:00 fxspec06: awesome! Aug 25 14:40:09 so now you have some money to buy the touchpad! :D Aug 25 14:40:30 i have no money patrick Aug 25 14:40:37 i have had no money Aug 25 14:40:40 once they pay you Aug 25 14:40:47 that could be a while Aug 25 14:40:54 is clearcard not .99? Aug 25 14:41:02 once you get to 100, they pay you the following month Aug 25 14:41:14 I hope Patrick is not only for certified dev Aug 25 14:41:23 dude i know Aug 25 14:41:38 iMarck90: it shouldn't be. Aug 25 14:41:41 pay day has come and gone Aug 25 14:41:46 it should be for all devs once they get it up Aug 25 14:41:46 i haven't made 100 on anything Aug 25 14:41:53 i have no money Aug 25 14:41:57 like i said, and like i have said Aug 25 14:41:58 I loose 4 days Aug 25 14:42:02 for have it Aug 25 14:42:07 I buy from amazon UK Aug 25 14:42:21 but Amazon UK sell product don't have, after 2 days removed all order Aug 25 14:42:33 and now is impossible to found a touchpad Aug 25 14:43:09 fxspec06: how many downloads does clearcard have? Aug 25 14:43:25 iMarck90: I believe HP is suppose to start selling again today Aug 25 14:43:49 I only hope accept mine credit card, i have friend on USA Aug 25 14:43:52 not enough Aug 25 14:44:02 hope he can send me the device if accept my credit card Aug 25 14:44:07 this channel is pretty active Aug 25 14:44:08 nice Aug 25 14:44:58 Bmyers, seems like the precentral feed is empty, ask rwhitby if he knows the reason :) Aug 25 14:45:20 NuttyBunny: thx Aug 25 14:45:22 NuttyBunny: I tried to download an app from the PC feed last night and it wouldn't download Aug 25 14:45:36 webos quickinstall really hates me Aug 25 14:45:37 haha Aug 25 14:45:43 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/ <- it's empty :D Aug 25 14:46:19 I didn't know that's where the PC feed was :P Aug 25 14:46:24 NuttyBunny: that's correct. we don't host the packages, since we don't have redistribution rights for packages on PreCentral Aug 25 14:46:28 rwhitby: Preware should respond to this with a "file not found" or something similar, not locking up ;) Aug 25 14:46:38 NuttyBunny: patches welcome Aug 25 14:46:50 Ok :) Aug 25 14:47:20 * NuttyBunny extends his TODO queue Aug 25 14:47:36 A good book to buy for development on WebOS? Aug 25 14:47:41 I found only 2 Aug 25 14:47:46 none Aug 25 14:47:47 Practical Palm Pre WebOS Projects Aug 25 14:47:53 All books are outdated Aug 25 14:47:57 Palm WebOS Aug 25 14:48:03 damn! :( Aug 25 14:48:13 rwhitby the problem im having is that when i start webos quickinstall with my tablet plugged in the program sits there and does nothing Aug 25 14:48:17 any ideas? Aug 25 14:48:22 could it be permissions? Aug 25 14:48:51 nope, webos quick install is closed source, so I can't debug it for you. you'll need to talk to Jason on his PreCentral threads. Aug 25 14:49:13 ah Aug 25 14:49:14 morning twbbas Aug 25 14:49:16 will do Aug 25 14:49:16 Mojo Framework is dead? Aug 25 14:50:07 not really Aug 25 14:50:20 Mojo is old, yes. but still works on the TouchPad/Pre3 Aug 25 14:50:30 I would go with Enyo though, if I were you Aug 25 14:50:32 hey PatrickC_TP Aug 25 14:50:40 Enyo is good? Aug 25 14:50:46 Enyo is amazin Aug 25 14:50:49 Enyo is just a js framework Aug 25 14:50:49 amazing* Aug 25 14:51:02 your better making a regular webapp to package in an ipk Aug 25 14:51:04 Awesome Aug 25 14:51:21 then use phonegap or titanium and hit all of the os's Aug 25 14:51:24 I think to use Enyo Aug 25 14:52:12 iMarck90: CTLAdvance has a point Aug 25 14:52:17 Ares need to update right? i just read on the forum Aug 25 14:52:20 are you looking to go cross platform? Aug 25 14:52:34 you have a touchpad yet? and what update are you talking about? Aug 25 14:52:58 Ares IDE i read on the forum need to be update Aug 25 14:53:03 on, I thought you said "Are" not Ares :) Aug 25 14:53:05 on topic i don't remember URL Aug 25 14:53:08 yeah it does Aug 25 14:53:14 It would be a dumb idea to just solely focus on WebOS right now. Aug 25 14:53:14 it is still Mojo IIRC Aug 25 14:53:33 iMarck90: like CTLAdvance said, go phonegap Aug 25 14:53:34 CTLAdvance is only for fun =) Aug 25 14:53:39 go cross platform :) Aug 25 14:53:44 I highly recommend to still dev for webOS but do so using something that gets you on many more devices Aug 25 14:54:02 also you can make your app consistent so if I pick up an android its the same as IOS or WebOS Aug 25 14:54:07 Thanks for the tips about PhoneGap ;) Aug 25 14:54:24 Anyway i really want a touchpad because WebOS, i think WebOS is better then Android and iOS Aug 25 14:54:29 * PatrickC_TP loves his Bluetooth keyboard, and the music app on webOS :) Aug 25 14:54:35 and it is Aug 25 14:54:45 rwhitby: trying to install touchplayer from preware, spinning spinning spinning. Any sage advise? Aug 25 14:54:47 sadly there's no way to publish enyo apps for the pre3 to the palm app catalog Aug 25 14:55:03 PatrickC_TP: My order errored out and I didnt know it until touchpads were sold out everywhere Aug 25 14:55:10 So now I am left with my loaner Aug 25 14:55:15 But HP don't have a good strategy... Aug 25 14:55:18 CTLAdvance: ouch Aug 25 14:55:22 yeah Aug 25 14:55:33 Titanium can developing for webOS? o.O Aug 25 14:55:34 Bmyers: a lot of people (including myself) are having that issue Aug 25 14:55:37 Luckily I get to keep the loaner for the same price, 149 Aug 25 14:55:43 Bmyers: ask the dev of the package why it is broken Aug 25 14:55:50 they arent giving program discounts though Aug 25 14:56:02 thx Rod Aug 25 14:56:20 anyone contacted the developer of touchplayer ? Aug 25 14:56:42 Bmyers, why him? it's not his fault Aug 25 14:56:43 Bmyers: I hear that if you download the IPK direct from Precentral, and install with webOS Quick Install it works Aug 25 14:56:50 Bmyers: it's most likely a missing Location field in the Source line Aug 25 14:57:10 NuttyBunny: who's fault do you think it is? Aug 25 14:57:13 i tried quickinstall but it said i was missing a dependency Aug 25 14:57:35 Bmyers: did you download he IPK direcly? Aug 25 14:57:38 directly* Aug 25 14:57:46 PatrickC_TP: yes Aug 25 14:57:51 weird Aug 25 14:57:56 do i need an ffmpeg package? Aug 25 14:58:01 in addition Aug 25 14:58:17 rwhitby, you're right, his fault for not specifying that users should download it from precentral and install it locally Aug 25 14:58:32 oh and also phonegap is available for WP7... I am just not sure where to get the source or if it is only available through build Aug 25 14:58:44 NuttyBunny: no, his fault for not complying with the published packaging standards for homebrew Aug 25 14:58:48 its not included in the master api package Aug 25 14:59:40 rwhitby: right :) Aug 25 14:59:54 thanks for clarifying that for me Aug 25 15:01:39 NuttyBunny: but it's an easy mistake to make, so don't blame him too harshly Aug 25 15:04:09 Did we ever get the doctor for the touchpad Aug 25 15:04:53 i think my problem is 64bit windows but i could be wrong Aug 25 15:04:56 Looks like there is a second device now that came packed with 2,2 Aug 25 15:05:05 and they provided a rom dump Aug 25 15:05:09 this is interesting Aug 25 15:05:55 10 dollar hdmi? Aug 25 15:06:09 my bad guys haha Aug 25 15:06:37 I wonder if these actually shipped with 2.2 as they claim they have Aug 25 15:07:01 CTLAdvance: for 3.0.2? Aug 25 15:07:02 yeah Aug 25 15:07:09 huh? Aug 25 15:07:17 2.2 what? android? Aug 25 15:07:19 you asked if we ever got the touchpad doctor Aug 25 15:07:25 No, 2 people now claim android 2.2 shipped on touchpad from HP Aug 25 15:07:30 one of them has now dumped the rom Aug 25 15:07:34 lol Aug 25 15:07:41 oh Aug 25 15:07:42 lol Aug 25 15:07:45 Well, there were at least 3 Pixis with 2.x on them Aug 25 15:07:48 why.. why.. would they ship android on the touchpad? Aug 25 15:08:02 PatrickC_TP, because android is the future! Aug 25 15:08:05 Well it could be a number of reasons Aug 25 15:08:05 the future sucks, but still Aug 25 15:08:13 directhex: NEVER Aug 25 15:08:17 webOS FOREVER Aug 25 15:08:17 like the apple iphones with pics from their manufactoriung facility Aug 25 15:08:29 * NuttyBunny slaps directhex Aug 25 15:08:42 Y U SAY NONSENSE IN #webos ? Aug 25 15:08:46 hehehe Aug 25 15:09:16 could be a joke, it could be a mistake, or it could be some sinister plan to protect webOS from being on so many cheaper devices Aug 25 15:09:25 then when they have a partner you want a new webOS device Aug 25 15:09:31 :) Aug 25 15:10:43 If Android is the future, then the future is grim :/ Aug 25 15:10:51 Windows 8 is the future Aug 25 15:10:54 Ryoken|Desktop, that's what i said! Aug 25 15:11:04 HP will surely make a webOS play with Windows 8 on arm tablets Aug 25 15:11:09 though it may not be HP anymore Aug 25 15:11:41 why not? Aug 25 15:11:56 HP aren't in the consumer space anymore. except for printers Aug 25 15:11:56 HP may firesale its pc business Aug 25 15:12:06 CTLAdvance: I hope not Aug 25 15:12:09 whoeever buys PSG will do whatever they feel like Aug 25 15:12:12 They already announced it Aug 25 15:12:16 HP PCs were good Aug 25 15:12:22 Now they are looking for ways to do it Aug 25 15:12:31 Well there is a big selling point for webOS now, it has just had a signifigant jump in marketshare now that (almost) all of the TouchPads are sold.. Aug 25 15:12:55 Apot is really a software guy, he lacks the vision to steer HP, which is why they need to jump from consumer devices Aug 25 15:13:00 pfft touchpad. a toy. manly men use pre3's Aug 25 15:13:29 directhex: would you like to send me one so I could become a "man"? :) Aug 25 15:13:42 pft Pre3? Manly Men suffer through Android Aug 25 15:13:47 PatrickC_TP, sorry, it's in constant use. you'll have to make do. Aug 25 15:14:03 I'll stick when iOS for my phone devices.. Tablets are the only place I have room for new stuff ;) Aug 25 15:14:30 It used to be Manly men suffered through WinMo but Android did good work taking that space... Aug 25 15:14:33 directhex: aww Aug 25 15:14:38 EdLin: remember i told you we get hit hard by storms? they're talking about evacuating the rockaways for the hurricane Aug 25 15:14:40 lol Aug 25 15:14:49 PatrickC_TP: oh you got a touchpad, nice! Aug 25 15:14:52 yep Aug 25 15:14:57 16, $99? Aug 25 15:14:58 Tommy: where are you? Aug 25 15:14:59 like were Aug 25 15:15:00 he has 6 now Aug 25 15:15:07 PatrickC_TP: back in the US finally. Aug 25 15:15:13 nope. 32GB for about 135 Aug 25 15:15:15 PatrickC_TP: i didn't get one, my orders were canceled :\ Aug 25 15:15:19 Tommy: where in the USA :) Aug 25 15:15:23 that stinks Aug 25 15:15:28 NYC, where i've always been since you knew me lol Aug 25 15:15:29 I see the HP store changed from Coming Soon to Sold Out.. hope that doesn't mean more aren't coming :( Aug 25 15:15:39 Ryoken|Desktop: i noticed that as well... Aug 25 15:15:52 Tommy: and they are preparing you all for a hurricane? Aug 25 15:15:57 sugardave: you got any insider info on whether or not hpalm is getting more in stock? Aug 25 15:15:59 PatrickC_TP: yeah Aug 25 15:16:08 wow Aug 25 15:16:11 PatrickC_TP: i live on a beach, on a small peninsula (11697, google it) Aug 25 15:16:34 and we get nailed by floods all the damn time when storms come, my parents lost a car to water that was like chest deep back in the 90's Aug 25 15:16:40 hey Aug 25 15:16:50 hey siestacatontp Aug 25 15:17:05 sleeping cat, why can't i get a touch pro :( Aug 25 15:17:10 someone with an android tp is dumping everything over on rootzwkki Aug 25 15:17:14 we had some major floods here last year. Aug 25 15:17:20 tommy touch pro? Aug 25 15:17:26 siestacatontp: oh, touchpad Aug 25 15:17:27 yep I noted that a few minutes ago Aug 25 15:17:35 sorry, that was a freudian slip, owned a touch pro a long while ago Aug 25 15:17:48 lll Aug 25 15:17:58 tommy guess HP hates you Aug 25 15:18:10 its a plot to make you become a win7 developer Aug 25 15:18:12 siestacatontp: i ordered from onSale and they canceled it, as expected Aug 25 15:18:20 siestacatontp: i'm an android user Aug 25 15:18:25 I have no interest in putting Android on my Touchpad.. Aug 25 15:18:28 wp7 has the least appeal of any mobile OS to me Aug 25 15:18:34 lol Aug 25 15:18:40 rootzwiki Aug 25 15:18:44 my order probably goes android, webOS, iOS, wp7 Aug 25 15:18:47 some guy downloading his rom Aug 25 15:18:50 Siestacat - Why, MS sends free devices to published devs Aug 25 15:18:53 unloading* Aug 25 15:18:53 iOS is the second most appealing OS to me Aug 25 15:19:11 webOS, android, ios Aug 25 15:19:16 CTLAdvance: I'm getting one soon Aug 25 15:19:26 like in a few months Aug 25 15:19:32 PatrickC_TP: well you obvs don't care about customization lol Aug 25 15:19:38 webOS has just as little of that as iOS Aug 25 15:19:41 PatrickC Aug 25 15:19:42 Why Aug 25 15:19:49 webOS, iOS, Android Aug 25 15:19:53 Are you published yet in the catalog? Aug 25 15:19:54 that's the biggest reason i'm an android user, truth be told Aug 25 15:19:59 CTLAdvance: cause, I wan o do winmo dev Aug 25 15:20:02 You can get a free device Aug 25 15:20:14 CTLAdvance: I have 6 apps in the catalog and am a brown belt Aug 25 15:20:18 ok Aug 25 15:20:20 i really really wish the webos alarm screen allowed setting different day-of-week alarms Aug 25 15:20:21 lol brown belt Aug 25 15:20:26 Yeah you should email Brian Watson Aug 25 15:20:30 * halfhalo-work has an invisible belt of doom Aug 25 15:20:35 directhex: there's a patch for that for phones Aug 25 15:20:41 PatrickC_TP, oh? Aug 25 15:20:50 CTLAdvance: I've already emailed him, and talked over the phone with my local rep Aug 25 15:20:52 i have a brown belt because i wade waist deep in PatrickC_TP's bullshit all day Aug 25 15:20:53 directhex: yep Aug 25 15:20:59 Tommy: ... Aug 25 15:21:05 LOL funneh. Aug 25 15:21:09 i'm jk PatrickC_TP , i love yew Aug 25 15:21:33 PatrickC_TP, can't see anything... knowing my luck, it's for 2.1 only Aug 25 15:21:47 I think it is Aug 25 15:21:54 why aren't you on 2.1? Aug 25 15:22:00 Tommy: lol Aug 25 15:22:23 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3692 Aug 25 15:22:27 i will barter with someone for a touchpad Aug 25 15:22:33 PatrickC_TP, because it shipped with 2.2.0? Aug 25 15:22:35 you can have a G1 and a feature phone Aug 25 15:22:55 Tommy: $350 Aug 25 15:23:00 + shipping Aug 25 15:23:00 PatrickC_TP: get fucked Aug 25 15:23:01 :) Aug 25 15:23:04 $230 on craigslist Aug 25 15:23:14 lol, actually, I don't have any that I would sell Aug 25 15:23:15 tbh Aug 25 15:23:16 for a 32GB Aug 25 15:23:21 ... Aug 25 15:23:25 i don't want a 16gb Aug 25 15:23:27 how about 135 for a 32GB> Aug 25 15:23:29 no one excitdd? Aug 25 15:23:29 i want a 32gb, for 200 or less Aug 25 15:23:32 s/>/?/ Aug 25 15:23:33 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3692 Aug 25 15:23:45 who cares Aug 25 15:23:47 PatrickC_TP: when i can get it, i will Aug 25 15:23:47 siestacatontp: if its android, not really Aug 25 15:23:50 its crapdroid Aug 25 15:23:50 siestacatontp, he's just protecting his intellectual property :o Aug 25 15:23:51 :) Aug 25 15:23:52 siestacatontp: go to #touchdroid Aug 25 15:24:11 no tommy, fuking spammrrs Aug 25 15:24:15 CTLAdvance: how much you wanna bet there are going to be more touchpads running android than webOS by the time all of this is done Aug 25 15:24:19 wait was that #touchdroid he should go to or #touchmyself Aug 25 15:24:21 ? Aug 25 15:24:25 siestacatontp: they'll care a lot more than this channel Aug 25 15:24:32 I well bet that is false Aug 25 15:24:42 most people buying a webSO tablet will leave it with Webos Aug 25 15:24:47 lol Aug 25 15:24:56 except. the people who are buying are ones that just want a cheap tablet to put android on Aug 25 15:24:59 only because they just bought it as a cheap tablet Aug 25 15:25:09 Not really Aug 25 15:25:21 the ones waiting in line outside stores aren't people who just want any tablet, they buy ipads Aug 25 15:25:26 Less than 5% of the overall firesale will put android on it Aug 25 15:25:35 siestacatontp: BTW, posting links to illegal material will get you banned from this channel Aug 25 15:25:51 illegal? Aug 25 15:25:57 CTLAdvance: unfortunately it's impossible to calculate, but we'll see the # of cyanogenmod installs once that makes it to tablets Aug 25 15:26:02 have they successfully put android on touchpad yet? Aug 25 15:26:04 yep, contains HP and Qualcom proprietary IP Aug 25 15:26:07 flashing android is illegal rwhitby? Aug 25 15:26:19 rwhitby: have you looked through the files that were dumped to confirm that? Aug 25 15:26:24 or are you assuming what he's putting up? Aug 25 15:26:25 siestacatontp: the image on that device contains more than AOSP Aug 25 15:26:44 Tommy: I saw the video like everyone else, and have conversed with people who have a file list Aug 25 15:26:51 rwhitby: it's completely possible he's not dumping the proprietary items, and you're threatening with a ban Aug 25 15:26:52 Tommy, there is no way the majority of users will install this Aug 25 15:27:00 rwhitby, sorry didn't think that it was illegal... Aug 25 15:27:16 i bet its extremely buggy (if its even running atm) Aug 25 15:27:20 CTLAdvance: lol, 350,000 people have cyanogenmod on their devices at this point, iirc Aug 25 15:27:21 You assume everyone wants android, and that everyone buying this is interested in installing android on it Aug 25 15:27:27 plov: you haven't seen the video have you Aug 25 15:27:37 siestacatontp: and even if it wasn't illegal, it would be grossly off-topic Aug 25 15:27:37 CTLAdvance: look at marketshare, obviouslly everyone wants android Aug 25 15:27:40 ok thats 350k out of tens of millions Aug 25 15:27:46 im getting the the point where i think ill keep webos on it because i like it alot Aug 25 15:27:50 I would say thats probably less than 1% of android users Aug 25 15:27:54 CTLAdvance: it's also just ONE custom build. Aug 25 15:28:09 that's cyanogenmod alone, not the hundreds of others that exist for so many devices Aug 25 15:28:10 well, it has to do with touchpad rwhitby Aug 25 15:28:11 so how do i get a fullscreen pre game to run in portrait rather than landscape on TP? Aug 25 15:28:20 a webOS ddvice Aug 25 15:28:23 siestacatontp: then you should post it in #touchpad Aug 25 15:28:28 siestacatontp: that is not a webOS device Aug 25 15:28:34 Regardless I would still put a safe bet behind less than 1% of android users actually mod their device Aug 25 15:28:45 but you will never know :) Aug 25 15:28:59 I'd put it more at 5% Aug 25 15:29:07 CTLAdvance: depends how easy it is... Aug 25 15:29:27 CTLAdvance: if it's a one click solution that's on android market, it'll be much higher than if it requires modifying the partitions on an sd card and booting from that, catch my drift? Aug 25 15:30:09 I could see that bringing it to around 5% easily Aug 25 15:30:14 that would increase the number Aug 25 15:30:27 of course Aug 25 15:30:35 but only time will tell how difficult it is to modify Aug 25 15:30:53 anyways, i wouldn't want to be GROSSLY OFF TOPIC, so let's switch back to webOS discussion since there's so much going on with its production Aug 25 15:31:16 Tommy: feel free to move your discussion to #touchdroid where it belongs Aug 25 15:31:21 yep Aug 25 15:31:27 anyone know of anywherreeee i can get an HP TouchPad with HP WebOS installed on it? Aug 25 15:31:40 rwhitby: didn't i just say we should switch the topic to webOS? Aug 25 15:31:45 keep up, it's already been handled. Aug 25 15:31:49 there's a channel for that too #touchsales Aug 25 15:31:57 Last note, until they release the source for 3.x I doubt you will see any major adoptation of android on the touchpad Aug 25 15:32:13 lol Aug 25 15:32:25 CTLAdvance: that's very true too, but again, grossly offtopic. Aug 25 15:32:34 let's talk less about android 3.x and more about webOS :) Aug 25 15:32:48 well.... apparently there is a line for the Palm Campus store again. Good times... Aug 25 15:33:57 i bought a HP iPad, how come my iTunes won't sync with it? Aug 25 15:34:10 i got the one with more GBs Aug 25 15:35:01 haha Aug 25 15:35:04 well, I g2g Aug 25 15:35:06 bb; Aug 25 15:35:09 bbl* Aug 25 15:36:17 wow, been a long time since I've seen someone kicked Aug 25 15:36:22 way to go Aug 25 15:36:26 sugardave: i'm just that special. Aug 25 15:36:47 for some as yet to be solidified new definition of "special" Aug 25 15:37:00 hah Aug 25 15:37:37 app cat down? Aug 25 15:37:46 maik... lol Aug 25 15:38:33 what? i just want to sync my iTunes to my iPad Aug 25 15:38:59 oh oops Aug 25 15:39:01 Makes me want to pull out my HP iPod.. Aug 25 15:39:03 there Aug 25 15:39:09 lol Aug 25 15:39:49 does SDL Haptic stuff work on the Touchpad? Aug 25 15:40:28 or, more generally, what's the smallest WebOS version since SDL Haptic started working, if it ever has? Aug 25 15:41:30 anyone know if HP is getting more stock of touchpads? Aug 25 15:41:51 Yes they are Aug 25 15:42:02 Hopefully they will limit sale of 1 per customer or order Aug 25 15:44:36 can someone tell me what the stated purpose of this channel is? Aug 25 15:45:10 well pre firesale we had around 95 consistent members, now the channel is at 204 Aug 25 15:45:12 discussion of webos and webos devices Aug 25 15:46:08 I guess that's close...I was looking for "#webOS app development" :P Aug 25 15:46:32 sugardave: theres #webos-internals which is also relevant Aug 25 15:46:54 sugardave: its fine here and there I think I don't think theres a devel channel Aug 25 15:46:59 sugardave: highfive! Aug 25 15:47:13 jrabbit: this _is_ the devel channel. Aug 25 15:47:53 supposed to be anyways Aug 25 15:48:02 anyone else having trouble with the app catalog on TP? Aug 25 15:48:15 halfhalo-work: :) Aug 25 15:48:53 Bmyers: Its working fine for me. Aug 25 15:50:03 halfhalo-work: thx. not fine 4 me. get a gray triangle "action could not be completed" Aug 25 15:50:43 Bmyers - You may need to doctor your pad Aug 25 15:50:48 before you touch it again Aug 25 15:50:51 :) Aug 25 15:51:03 jrabbit: the thing with #webos-internals is that it's for "unofficial" dev ;) Aug 25 15:51:09 hmm. app mgr install an app cat update Aug 25 15:51:35 s/install/installed Aug 25 15:51:52 new Pivot, probably Aug 25 15:52:09 sugardave: ah Aug 25 15:53:25 app cat update is for australian sales Aug 25 15:53:36 woo! Aug 25 15:53:45 did you buy all of the apps yet, Rod? Aug 25 15:53:49 thats great. mines not working tho. Aug 25 15:54:00 sugardave: my devices all have US app catalog on them Aug 25 15:54:02 Did someone say update ?! :-P Aug 25 15:54:04 says cant be complete when i open it Aug 25 15:54:17 that sucks Aug 25 15:54:19 rwhitby: oh yeah! :D Aug 25 15:54:28 any of you have any good app suggestions Aug 25 15:54:28 there will never be an australian-only app. there are lots of us-only apps. ergo, use US app catalog on your device, not australian. Aug 25 15:54:39 http://bit.ly/phd-ac is a good one Aug 25 15:54:53 hey, anyone know where I can find a good from the ground up reference for enyo development? Aug 25 15:54:57 v5.0.1600 is latest app cat version? Aug 25 15:55:29 that's what I have Aug 25 15:55:36 it failed a couple of updates last night Aug 25 15:56:23 i keep getting ""try again later" when i open hp app cat on my tp Aug 25 15:56:41 rwhitby yeah i know its a good app but without knowing why webos quickinstall doesnt work right i cant get it installed Aug 25 15:57:07 U must have that link on key command rwhitby lol Aug 25 15:57:27 Caleb, whats wrong? Aug 25 15:57:51 my goodnessssss people need to stop calling hp about the stupid touchpads Aug 25 15:57:55 when i plug the tablet into my computer and start webos quickinstall it just freezes and does nothing Aug 25 15:58:01 i cant even get a response to a real problem -_- Aug 25 15:58:03 im not sure if its a permissions thing Aug 25 15:58:13 or what Aug 25 15:58:34 Java updated? Corrupt fi Aug 25 15:58:40 File* Aug 25 15:58:55 ive downloaded it a few times Aug 25 15:59:00 and java is up to date Aug 25 16:00:17 U could always install it with palm-install Aug 25 16:00:29 really now Aug 25 16:02:45 seems i need the palm sdk right Aug 25 16:02:59 Or just novacom Aug 25 16:03:16 i have that Aug 25 16:03:50 Open cmd and use palm-install (file.ipk) Aug 25 16:04:14 Or is it "novacom palm-install (file.ipk)"? Aug 25 16:04:52 Its always good to have the sdk anyways though if u wish Aug 25 16:05:34 Has novabroswer, novaterm, and putyy automatically configured to login to the device comm Aug 25 16:05:43 Terminal, not comm Aug 25 16:05:51 just: palm-install the.ipk Aug 25 16:05:51 nice Aug 25 16:06:05 hello JustinHoMi a fello tarheel Aug 25 16:06:44 im not seeing the command in the Palm folder with the novacom stuff Aug 25 16:07:12 it's in a bin directory somewhere under the SDK install location Aug 25 16:07:17 What os caleb. Aug 25 16:07:18 should be in your path, though Aug 25 16:07:29 windows 7 64bit Aug 25 16:07:38 i guess ill install the sdk Aug 25 16:07:44 He should be able to use cmd.exe Aug 25 16:07:50 Right? Aug 25 16:08:02 sure, but I don't think he has the SDK installed Aug 25 16:08:18 Abyssul-TP thought it came with novacom Aug 25 16:09:11 Not sure. Dont remember if novacom allows cmd.exe commands of novacom without the sdk Aug 25 16:09:54 i just opened novaterm Aug 25 16:10:24 That logs you into the device but that could work too. Aug 25 16:10:30 you can probably use just novaterm, but the SDK is good to have and palm-install is easier :D Aug 25 16:10:42 yeah ill do that Aug 25 16:10:43 s/novaterm/novacom/ Aug 25 16:10:44 ah wtf Aug 25 16:10:44 Add the ipk to your usb drive of your tp Aug 25 16:11:03 so i can slap it into usb drive mode Aug 25 16:11:44 can you just un-ar it and bounce Luna? Aug 25 16:11:49 never tried that Aug 25 16:12:02 sugardave: yes, but no Aug 25 16:12:11 hmm Aug 25 16:12:28 app cat broken :( Aug 25 16:13:06 dr it ya think? Aug 25 16:13:14 No lol Aug 25 16:15:20 gah, a shop 50 miles away has some stock, but by the time I get there they will be gone Aug 25 16:15:42 I want my tickle me elmo dammit Aug 25 16:18:46 Ironsight : I did the same thing and ended up getting w Aug 25 16:18:48 2* Aug 25 16:19:49 oooh that's why Aug 25 16:19:57 I forgot about the time difference Aug 25 16:20:05 they've been open for only 15 minutes Aug 25 16:20:35 run Aug 25 16:20:40 psssh Aug 25 16:20:54 it's a college town, I bet in the next 5 minutes they are all gone Aug 25 16:21:38 takes me an hour to get there Aug 25 16:25:58 Ironsight, in Westwood (area around UCLA there was a line of people outside bestbuy) Aug 25 16:26:15 Ironsight, this was on Sunday. Then they told everyone they were sold out. Aug 25 16:26:38 employees probably bought them all Aug 25 16:26:59 Ironsight, I thought it was no problem and came at 9:30. There were 15 people waiting Aug 25 16:27:19 Ironsight, nope, they sold them at the end of the day Saturday Aug 25 16:28:11 Ironsight, Now that I have the touchpad, I have an HP laptop, desktop, netbook, and tablet Aug 25 16:28:14 :-) Aug 25 16:28:42 my 2nd, 3rd, 4th laptops were hp/compaq Aug 25 16:28:53 then I switched to asus gaming laptops Aug 25 16:29:00 cool Aug 25 16:29:11 Ironsight, I go for whatever is cheapest... Aug 25 16:29:13 got my g74 a couple of weeks ago Aug 25 16:30:02 gtx 560 2 gig video card, 8 gigs of ram, 1tb storage, 17.3" screen, wifi, 4g, good screen :) Aug 25 16:30:03 Ironsight, the netbook I got in a raffle I didn't need to pay for. The tablet was the cheapest... ever and the laptop and desktop were bargin deals. Somehow HP always has the cheapest stuff Aug 25 16:30:10 nice Aug 25 16:30:54 I spent 1200 for this laptop, and 630x2 for the g60's with gtx260's in those Aug 25 16:31:19 oh yeah, and i7 in this baby Aug 25 16:31:20 :) Aug 25 16:31:37 :-) Aug 25 16:31:39 but it's HEAVY Aug 25 16:31:45 9 freakin pounds Aug 25 16:31:50 is it possible to install preware on a touchpad w/o connecting it to a computer? Aug 25 16:32:05 shodan45, according to the instructions yes Aug 25 16:32:13 ironsight Aug 25 16:32:17 that is a nice laptop Aug 25 16:32:26 :) Aug 25 16:32:36 mine is an '08 w/ similar, i.e. exactly half, the specs Aug 25 16:32:41 Ironsight where are said instructions? Aug 25 16:32:42 nearly maxed Aug 25 16:32:48 and it weighs like 29lbs Aug 25 16:32:49 * Ironsight looks it up Aug 25 16:32:57 ohh and the speakers on this thing are great Aug 25 16:33:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware#Installing_Preware Aug 25 16:33:26 I haven't maxed the ram in this yet to 16 gigs Aug 25 16:34:13 Ironsight: that's the page I was looking at... where/which option is the "I left my usb cable at home" option? Aug 25 16:35:00 3rd option Aug 25 16:35:06 which one is for the touchpad Aug 25 16:35:22 or just use 1.7.0 Aug 25 16:35:24 nevermind Aug 25 16:35:29 you need your cord Aug 25 16:35:30 :( Aug 25 16:35:38 i have a cord Aug 25 16:35:53 I thought there was a cableless option since I thought I saw it on a youtube video Aug 25 16:36:25 oh it is Aug 25 16:36:26 :D Aug 25 16:36:35 do you have a terminal app on your tablet? Aug 25 16:36:55 Ironsight: that's the main reason I want preware - I want a terminal app :/ Aug 25 16:37:23 does the normal appstore working at the moment? Aug 25 16:37:28 i coudln connect ot it? Aug 25 16:37:33 keep trying Aug 25 16:37:46 it's under alot of load of people updating their brand new touchpads Aug 25 16:37:59 Ironsight not if there isnt one on the appstore Aug 25 16:38:06 ouch Aug 25 16:38:09 umm Aug 25 16:38:27 so, there is or isn't a terminal app in the "HP App Catalog"? Aug 25 16:38:28 then I guess you have to wait until you can do a normal install Aug 25 16:38:33 hmmm Aug 25 16:38:48 I would think there would be a terminal emulator Aug 25 16:38:49 its funny that i use palm-install and it cant find java.exe Aug 25 16:39:04 install java? Aug 25 16:39:11 lol its installed Aug 25 16:39:23 o.O Aug 25 16:39:42 Caleb: where is it looking? Aug 25 16:39:44 windows or mac? Aug 25 16:39:47 I wish Java was installed on the TouchPad itself.. :( Aug 25 16:39:47 windows Aug 25 16:40:01 java would be nice Aug 25 16:40:18 jrabbit all i did was navigate the the ipk i downloaded and used palm-install Aug 25 16:40:19 full on java apps Aug 25 16:40:35 And in the browser, I use a few sites that use Java.. Aug 25 16:40:56 runescape? Aug 25 16:41:04 ;) Aug 25 16:41:14 so is there a rule or something against terminals in the hp app store? Aug 25 16:41:33 Nope :p saveyoutube lol and a few ones for work Aug 25 16:42:28 so Aug 25 16:42:39 I think runescape would rock on the touchpad Aug 25 16:42:48 it sucks on a pc though Aug 25 16:42:50 lol Aug 25 16:42:53 Caleb: maybe you don't have $PATH set? Aug 25 16:43:10 i bet this would be tons easier in linux Aug 25 16:43:39 and how is that done in windows? Aug 25 16:43:49 from what I saw of the preware install video on youtube, it looked pretty easy in windows Aug 25 16:44:09 What I'd like to see is MechCommander.. it's from the Win9x erra, so CPU and graphics wise it should be dooable.. and it's a style of game that would lend itself well to a tablet/touch interface.. Aug 25 16:44:10 might wanna youtube search that Aug 25 16:44:43 if it was a dos game you would be set Aug 25 16:45:03 Speaking of DOS.. Scorched Earth Aug 25 16:45:27 linux has a scorched earth clone Aug 25 16:45:39 so it might be portable if someone got on it Aug 25 16:45:40 All the clones are meh.. I've seen a bunch :( Aug 25 16:45:42 Ironsight which video have you seen because ive seen the guy on an apple Aug 25 16:46:05 ahh found one Aug 25 16:46:18 k Aug 25 16:47:16 if you can't do it like he does, just open a command prompt, and navigate to your java directory and java -jar c:\path\to\blah.jar Aug 25 16:48:38 i still dont understand why i cant get webos quickinstall working Aug 25 16:48:52 pebkac Aug 25 16:48:57 did you put the thing in developer mode? Aug 25 16:49:32 yeppers Aug 25 16:49:57 did you set a password for dev mode? Aug 25 16:50:06 yes is that bad? Aug 25 16:50:08 yes Aug 25 16:50:11 redoctor Aug 25 16:50:27 ooooh that sucks Aug 25 16:50:39 im stupid Aug 25 16:50:42 :/ Aug 25 16:50:50 i remember the instructions saying not to do that haha Aug 25 16:50:50 novaterm -y PASSWORD -c login Aug 25 16:50:57 that unlocks the device Aug 25 16:51:00 note: needs sdk Aug 25 16:51:06 i have the sdk Aug 25 16:51:14 i think it's -y Aug 25 16:51:20 some flag. check novaterm --help Aug 25 16:51:21 well there ya go Aug 25 16:51:24 the -c login is the main bit Aug 25 16:51:44 if it worked, "novaterm" will drop you into a root shell Aug 25 16:53:08 cd /tmp && wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/preware-bootstrap.sh && sh /tmp/preware-bootstrap.sh ? Aug 25 16:54:27 i get an error Aug 25 16:54:35 blah Aug 25 16:54:47 the quesion mark is not meant to be added Aug 25 16:54:49 failed to load main class Aug 25 16:54:55 blah bla Aug 25 16:57:38 when i run novacom from a term it doesnt see it and when i run the .jar it doesnt seems to find the java stuff it needs Aug 25 17:03:30 http://ws.hpwebos.com/webosdoctor/serialnumberinitial.htm Aug 25 17:04:58 250+ person deep line outside the Palm store Aug 25 17:05:06 directhex i dont see an option for -y Aug 25 17:05:12 dwc-: thats because of the lottery Aug 25 17:05:30 dumb lottery Aug 25 17:05:34 ok the device is seen Aug 25 17:05:40 * dwc- isn't eligible as a non-employee Aug 25 17:05:49 lol Aug 25 17:05:55 I just wanted to pick up a couple more phones Aug 25 17:05:59 lol Aug 25 17:06:11 and saw the line, and said "hmm, they must have touchpads" Aug 25 17:06:32 was about an hour before they bothered to mention it was employee only Aug 25 17:06:32 its -r Aug 25 17:06:50 yeah.... not going to touch the whole campus store thing Aug 25 17:07:07 i think i have a doctor problem. Aug 25 17:07:08 I might check back later Aug 25 17:07:16 hopefully all the touchpad buyers will be gone Aug 25 17:07:16 my tp resets before the dr completes Aug 25 17:07:25 and thats messing up my app cat Aug 25 17:07:40 tried on mac os x and parralells w7 Aug 25 17:07:43 well, best buy is completely sold out now Aug 25 17:07:51 I thought they have been Aug 25 17:07:58 no, they had stock today Aug 25 17:08:08 sold out quick though Aug 25 17:08:23 are there any drivers that need be installed in order to Doctor on Windows? Aug 25 17:08:32 b&m only Aug 25 17:08:35 right? Aug 25 17:08:38 they removed the item from their database now Aug 25 17:08:42 the doctor will install the drivers Aug 25 17:08:52 correct Aug 25 17:09:03 yea, mine haven't had any Aug 25 17:09:18 only one shop within 50 miles of me had one Aug 25 17:09:22 ah weird Aug 25 17:09:37 they sold out in about 20 mins Aug 25 17:09:45 my friend's gets to the part where it asks him to plug in, and then nothing happens Aug 25 17:10:17 yes, you need the novacom driver I think Aug 25 17:11:16 and how do you get that? Aug 25 17:11:20 wait, there are/were "palm stores"? Aug 25 17:11:27 sorry, I'm a Mac person, never done a doctor on Windows Aug 25 17:11:40 shodan45: 1 palm store, outside palm HQ, sunnyvale, ca Aug 25 17:11:45 well, inside actually Aug 25 17:11:47 dwc-: ahhh Aug 25 17:11:50 Windows users: When connecting your device to the computer for the first time, you will be prompted to install new hardware. Click Next to start the device installation. You may get a message regarding Novacom drivers not being installed. If so, you can disregard it. Once your device is installed, proceed with the Preware installation. Aug 25 17:12:06 Ironsight: it took 20 minutes to sell 1 touchpad? really? Aug 25 17:12:25 more than 1 I'm sure Aug 25 17:12:54 either that, or they took 20 minutes getting it from the back like normal Aug 25 17:12:56 directhex that command doesnt drop me into a root shell Aug 25 17:12:58 oh, you said the one place had one Aug 25 17:13:05 chuqui: WHERE well written post about Tim C Aug 25 17:13:08 archdemon: novaterm doesn't? Aug 25 17:13:14 nope Aug 25 17:13:15 it was a figure of speech, the only place that had one Aug 25 17:13:25 i started the terminal in admin mode Aug 25 17:13:46 navigated to novacom and did the command and it just drops me to the same line Aug 25 17:13:49 they had at least one Aug 25 17:14:56 * Ironsight gets some lunch Aug 25 17:15:36 dev mode is on Aug 25 17:16:11 ill turn it off then on Aug 25 17:16:28 you need dev mode on to novaterm Aug 25 17:16:33 yes Aug 25 17:16:37 i restarted dev mode Aug 25 17:17:08 does the thing have to be in usb drive mode or just regular mode Aug 25 17:20:13 * jmichaelx is unboxing his brand spanking new hp touchpad right at this very moment Aug 25 17:20:26 UPS truck just pulled away :-D Aug 25 17:20:51 sorry if yours comes with android installed :( Aug 25 17:21:07 that would kinda suck Aug 25 17:21:47 touchpads coming with android installed? Aug 25 17:21:48 That would be my luck lol, since I want webos, I would get one with droid on it Aug 25 17:22:09 yeah, so far like 2-3 testing units were found delivered Aug 25 17:22:48 wtf? from where were these things supposedly delivered? Aug 25 17:22:49 a real firesale. Aug 25 17:22:52 caleb: regular mode Aug 25 17:22:55 yeah Aug 25 17:22:59 dwc- ? Aug 25 17:23:05 10:13 < Caleb> does the thing have to be in usb drive mode or just regular mode Aug 25 17:23:08 jmichaelx: according to engadget there's one up on ebay right now Aug 25 17:23:22 they already ripped the roms of one in #touchdroid Aug 25 17:23:24 ahh well Aug 25 17:23:24 jackster: yeah for liek $700 >_> Aug 25 17:23:32 cheaper than an iPad Aug 25 17:23:34 :-P Aug 25 17:23:37 ahhh Aug 25 17:23:46 dwc- when i do novacom -l it lists the device Aug 25 17:23:47 not that they are doing it legally Aug 25 17:23:47 Ironsight: oh thats where that was from? Aug 25 17:23:54 quallcom Aug 25 17:23:59 but when i try to get into the root shell it just goes to the next line Aug 25 17:24:02 mine just arrived from office depot... never been out of the box Aug 25 17:24:15 it was a testing os or something they figure Aug 25 17:24:41 Caleb: did you do start-novacomd? Aug 25 17:25:20 nope Aug 25 17:25:54 try that maybe if it exists on your platform Aug 25 17:26:10 all i see is novacmd.exe Aug 25 17:26:26 Caleb: from the PDK/SDK? Aug 25 17:26:37 let me check pdk Aug 25 17:26:59 because it loads an OSX launchd entry here it'd load a service in windows likely Aug 25 17:27:15 how can itell Aug 25 17:27:18 Caleb: its installed in nova/bin/* for me Aug 25 17:27:19 what does novacom -t open tty:// do? Aug 25 17:28:10 give me a # Aug 25 17:28:24 well im in Aug 25 17:28:52 what next? Aug 25 17:29:16 that's your root prompt Aug 25 17:29:24 now you do ... whatever it was you were trying to do Aug 25 17:29:35 * dwc- missed that part Aug 25 17:29:44 take off dev mode pass Aug 25 17:30:32 isn't that on the touchpad itself? Aug 25 17:30:38 in the developer mode screen? Aug 25 17:30:45 it doesnt let you set an empty pass Aug 25 17:30:53 yay bugs! Aug 25 17:31:04 ohhh Aug 25 17:33:35 ok. I don't know the rest Aug 25 17:33:47 doctor doctor, give me the news, I gotta bad case of lovin you Aug 25 17:34:06 wewt Aug 25 17:34:10 got preware installed Aug 25 17:34:12 good Aug 25 17:34:15 if you're feeling adventurous Aug 25 17:34:17 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher Aug 25 17:34:45 or ... rm -rf..... nevermind Aug 25 17:34:52 that would be bd Aug 25 17:34:54 bad* Aug 25 17:34:58 setop complete, device restarting! :-D Aug 25 17:35:30 * Ironsight hands halfhalo some raid bug killer Aug 25 17:36:00 HAH Aug 25 17:36:01 NO Aug 25 17:39:58 rwhitby Aug 25 17:41:39 sup guys Aug 25 17:42:10 so is anyone trying this android thing on their tablets? Aug 25 17:42:17 no Aug 25 17:42:22 not I Aug 25 17:42:27 i don't know why you'd want to downgrade it, but i guess some people want to Aug 25 17:42:35 I have 2 android devices, I want a webos one Aug 25 17:42:36 :) Aug 25 17:42:56 as long as it dual-boots Aug 25 17:42:58 why not Aug 25 17:43:08 i ahve linux and windows dual boot, but i barely touch windows Aug 25 17:43:13 but its there incase i need it. Aug 25 17:43:14 i thought about the whole dual boot thing as well, but i do like webos more Aug 25 17:43:22 valid point Aug 25 17:43:44 preware is nice Aug 25 17:43:47 linux may not have the 'apps' but it does what it does very well Aug 25 17:43:58 matbee indeed Aug 25 17:44:05 and it's great for developing Aug 25 17:44:07 yeah Aug 25 17:44:46 how close is QNX to WebOS? Aug 25 17:44:56 install the emulator and find out Aug 25 17:44:56 qnx is like an unpolished version of webos Aug 25 17:44:57 :) Aug 25 17:45:00 Bajan: not very Aug 25 17:45:03 very unpolished Aug 25 17:45:17 its focus and goal was not balanced Aug 25 17:45:26 webos has synergy, like a bawsss Aug 25 17:46:00 I love how webOS was developed and the Pre was developed, they used natural objects and used them for inspiration Aug 25 17:46:01 can't wait for FedX to arrive Aug 25 17:46:11 matbee: do you have any idea what youre talking about? Aug 25 17:46:27 rwatkin-mbp, in regards to what? Aug 25 17:46:36 qnx and webos Aug 25 17:46:39 yes Aug 25 17:47:08 why? Aug 25 17:47:13 so you realize that the analogy betweenthe two is Linux under Luna for webOS == QNX Aug 25 17:47:24 heh Aug 25 17:47:26 and its fairly polished since its been around since the 80s. Aug 25 17:47:33 Léo Apotheker's theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O70CiZnXdLs Aug 25 17:47:33 you're not getting it. Aug 25 17:47:38 8D Aug 25 17:47:40 Linux has been. Aug 25 17:47:44 QNX has not. Aug 25 17:47:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX Aug 25 17:47:51 iOS is also based off of unix Aug 25 17:48:01 and android Aug 25 17:48:07 what is your point? Aug 25 17:48:15 QNX is an oooold RTOS. i had a SAN running QNX once. Aug 25 17:48:16 you just don't get it, rwatkins-mbp Aug 25 17:48:25 ios is based off fairy dust Aug 25 17:48:29 it's magic Aug 25 17:48:39 oh, and meego Aug 25 17:48:52 my point is there is a difference between the UI layer and the underlying OS. Aug 25 17:50:05 my order from amazon uk was cancelled for stock problems Aug 25 17:50:15 i want to kill someone Aug 25 17:50:22 i want a touchpad Aug 25 17:50:27 me too Aug 25 17:50:33 some dude in irc bought 7... Aug 25 17:50:46 it should be like apple store Aug 25 17:50:58 i are just able to buy two Aug 25 17:51:03 I had cancelled from OnSale yesterday really felt letdown Aug 25 17:51:14 yeah, and all buildings should be made of glass panels Aug 25 17:51:20 :) Aug 25 17:52:00 Ironsight i understood what i wanted to say, right? :) Aug 25 17:52:05 i'm not an apple fanboy Aug 25 17:52:11 I hear ya Aug 25 17:52:12 :) Aug 25 17:52:15 :) Aug 25 17:52:28 * Ironsight smacks his intel turbo boost monitor for crashing Aug 25 17:52:38 who is http://www.dragonarmydropout.me/ > Aug 25 17:52:47 hey how can i get rid of the keyboard in the ubuntu chroot? Aug 25 17:53:08 turn the screen off Aug 25 17:54:17 sugardave: where is the appropriate place to post a bug with the touchpad? Aug 25 17:54:20 hardware? Aug 25 17:54:25 youre so funny it hurts sugardave Aug 25 17:54:29 HattCzech_work: /dev/null Aug 25 17:54:37 Woot Aug 25 17:54:42 rwatkins-mbp: that sounds like an excellent spot Aug 25 17:56:27 HattCzech_work: erg, I guess the regular HP support forums...unless there's one on the dev forum Aug 25 17:57:27 there's a hardware section in the dev ones Aug 25 17:59:14 you going to ask about why the sound dies all the time? Aug 25 17:59:55 just point it out Aug 25 18:00:05 and see if it's being worked on Aug 25 18:00:31 but who knows at this point :) Aug 25 18:00:35 would be nice to get fixed - was trying to use my TP as my iPod replacement a well Aug 25 18:00:44 not so good when it sound dies randomly and need to reboot. Aug 25 18:00:51 exactly Aug 25 18:00:57 sounds great when it works... Aug 25 18:01:01 yep Aug 25 18:01:02 then just stops :/ Aug 25 18:02:57 what is / normally mounted as? Aug 25 18:03:01 readwrite? Aug 25 18:03:36 nvm readonly Aug 25 18:08:24 so is... mojo for the touchpad? Aug 25 18:08:34 or is it for the pre's? Aug 25 18:08:40 Mojo apps will run on the TouchPad Aug 25 18:08:51 full screen? Aug 25 18:09:17 you can Aug 25 18:09:21 uiRevision: 2 Aug 25 18:10:45 where do you put that? Aug 25 18:11:01 appinfo.json or somethin/ Aug 25 18:11:03 ? Aug 25 18:12:29 exactly Aug 25 18:13:04 I can't login to precentral.com for some reason....where else can I get TouchPlayer? Aug 25 18:13:18 .net* Aug 25 18:13:36 almex`: if you have preware installed and the feeds are up, you should be able to get it from there Aug 25 18:13:47 is the preware package fixed? Aug 25 18:13:57 what's wrong with it? Aug 25 18:14:04 got stuck at install Aug 25 18:14:55 it's probably not the package, but if there are issues you'll have better luck in #webos-internals Aug 25 18:15:05 thanks Aug 25 18:19:12 i take it that buttons in the browser sometimes do not work... Aug 25 18:19:31 ugh Aug 25 18:19:47 If it doesn't work, zoom in a little. Aug 25 18:19:56 i hate trying to optimize a section of code when it can hardly be optimized any more Aug 25 18:21:13 nope, even if zoomed ib, does nor work... this is a button on preware sign-up page Aug 25 18:21:20 oh well Aug 25 18:21:59 weeeeee i think i did it. Aug 25 18:22:45 hola Aug 25 18:26:35 * Bajan does a lil dance arrival Aug 25 18:30:12 anyone else playing around ith the ubuntu chroot? Aug 25 18:30:39 apparently the preware site has problems with new account registration atm? Aug 25 18:30:43 I don't know if it's related, but ever since the vz 2.1 OTA update was forced upon me (oh crap I forgot to stop the updated), i'm getting TMC all over the place.. :( Aug 25 18:31:14 cwayne: i have it (on pre), haven't played around much yet tho.. Aug 25 18:31:39 i've never got TMC on 2.1 Aug 25 18:31:42 jmichaelx .. I just signed up, it hung on the page, but when I navigated away, I was logged in lol Aug 25 18:31:56 ajay_: hmmm Aug 25 18:32:22 cwayne: i was thinking of using it shortly now, but my phone's too stupid for me to use it.. ;| Aug 25 18:32:27 Ryoken|Desktop: ok, thx.... it also does not seem to send a confirmation email (not right away, at least) Aug 25 18:32:37 ajay_: aw damn Aug 25 18:33:13 Nope.. no email.. but the downloads work :) Aug 25 18:35:28 ok, the precentral site is more than a little sitty Aug 25 18:35:32 shitty* Aug 25 18:36:19 remind me to think simple next time i try to optimize shitty code? Aug 25 18:39:07 ok, i am sure it isn't too difficult, but atm how to install apps from precentral beats the hell out of me Aug 25 18:40:12 howdy Aug 25 18:41:57 jmichaelx: webosinternals.org Aug 25 18:42:06 holy schiesse it got quiet in here for a few minutes.... Aug 25 18:42:22 WELLLLLLLLLLLL LETS MAKE SOME NOISE Aug 25 18:44:29 fxspec06: many thanks Aug 25 18:47:31 can I use a wifi profile from the touchpad for my frankenpre/ Aug 25 18:47:47 yes Aug 25 18:48:13 and save/restore backs that up, right? Aug 25 18:50:51 save/restore backs your stuff up to a folder on the disc Aug 25 18:50:58 drive* Aug 25 18:51:11 is there any sort of JS shell/interpreter Aug 25 18:51:21 where i can test small parts of code Aug 25 18:51:31 * PuffTheMagic is really missing python right now Aug 25 18:51:46 PuffTheMagic: node has a repl which may be usefull Aug 25 18:52:03 no dom or anything, but it's js Aug 25 18:52:17 ahh yes forgot about that Aug 25 18:52:50 thanks Aug 25 18:53:42 PuffTheMagic: I'm looking into python on webos currently. :) Aug 25 18:53:55 jrabbit: looking into? Aug 25 18:54:04 * PuffTheMagic has python on webos already Aug 25 18:54:11 PuffTheMagic: well intregating it Aug 25 18:54:12 well Aug 25 18:54:21 integrating how? Aug 25 18:54:28 enyo etc Aug 25 18:54:40 what does that mean exactly? Aug 25 18:55:00 PuffTheMagic: enyo is the frontend in javascript Aug 25 18:55:12 right.... Aug 25 18:55:28 so where does python come in? Aug 25 18:59:58 theres no reason enyo has to be done in javascript :P Aug 25 19:00:14 um Aug 25 19:00:16 interfacing with it is largely in json (for layout) Aug 25 19:00:28 huh Aug 25 19:00:33 anyone on sprint have a current prl? :) Aug 25 19:02:55 http://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/106802825828376576 Aug 25 19:03:09 anyone who wants a promo has to go find it =p Aug 25 19:04:34 there's plenty left.. i do believe Aug 25 19:05:08 k gotta go take down patio, hurricane coming. bbl Aug 25 19:07:52 fxspec06_: uk or.. UK? hrmm.. Aug 25 19:08:09 oh got it Aug 25 19:10:23 Ok, nuttycam submitted :D Aug 25 19:12:02 ok, another dumb question... so i download quick install, and the instructions say then to run quick install... how does one do that? Aug 25 19:12:57 If you have Java installed, you click/double click it. Aug 25 19:13:02 sugardave: where Aug 25 19:13:08 's this touch ubuntu? Aug 25 19:13:21 (or if anyone else knows, feel free to let me know) Aug 25 19:13:32 ok, i thought java was installed, but maybe not Aug 25 19:13:50 nevermind, found the guide Aug 25 19:16:18 do you install linux 32 bit java? Aug 25 19:18:13 jmichaelx: I keep seeign refrences to restarting java Aug 25 19:18:30 on the device itself ofc Aug 25 19:19:00 ok... not making too much sense. i'll try to do that Aug 25 19:19:14 jmichaelx: no it has no good for you Aug 25 19:23:58 jrabbit: i did not understand that last line Aug 25 19:24:35 sorry, disregard both things :) Aug 25 19:25:50 i may well be overly simple. but i see instructions that tell you to download and install java.... i doenload java, but do not see how to install it Aug 25 19:27:15 if i click 'open' in the downloads tab, it tells me mime type not recognized Aug 25 19:27:18 Who has submitted an app Monday or later and got it approved already? Aug 25 19:27:51 twbbas: everyone but you Aug 25 19:27:58 :-( Aug 25 19:28:04 =( Aug 25 19:28:17 not me Aug 25 19:28:23 sorry, "cannot open mime type' Aug 25 19:28:29 i'm terrible at submitting at the right times Aug 25 19:28:43 my updates are always ready by like friday. i gotta make them ready for sunday night Aug 25 19:29:06 I submitted late Sunday night :-( Aug 25 19:29:19 it should go thru friday Aug 25 19:29:57 It's just an update dangit Aug 25 19:30:03 i know Aug 25 19:30:06 =| Aug 25 19:30:51 could someone please tell me how one installs java once its downloaded? Aug 25 19:30:51 look on the bright side, if you're lucky you can get a brand new 32gb touchpad for only $1,000 Aug 25 19:33:04 fxspec06: man I'd happily sell my 32gb TP for $1k! Hell, even original retail and i'd be stoked! :) Aug 25 19:33:17 here's your chance: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-32GB-running-Android-/230664585087?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item35b4ae3f7 Aug 25 19:33:22 fxspec06 wrt wifi profile, can you just poke it onto the device? or does it have to be installed at doctor time? Aug 25 19:34:27 is the hp site down? Aug 25 19:34:31 fxspec06: ah, it's the bounty that's driving up the price.. Aug 25 19:34:33 on the touchpad, you have to enter your wifi profile before you log into your palm profile. the os lets you do that Aug 25 19:34:55 DaDirtyPanda: it could be, if they're ready to put more pads up for sale Aug 25 19:35:03 in which case, everybody grab your seats Aug 25 19:35:51 DaDirtyPanda: looks fine to me, what URL you runnin? doubt they need to pull the site down everytime they change inventory :) Aug 25 19:36:16 fxspec06: 21,000 hits on that thing Aug 25 19:36:26 lol Aug 25 19:36:31 nm its ok, my browser was acting funky Aug 25 19:36:44 you shoulda seen precentral last friday Aug 25 19:36:49 10,000 hits in 4 hours Aug 25 19:36:51 on one thread Aug 25 19:38:37 finally got my TP working right i think. Aug 25 19:38:55 drank the koolaid and asked for 2nd's Aug 25 19:39:09 CAUSE I'M A REAL WEBOS'r Aug 25 19:39:11 oh how nice, "Expanding opportunities for your apps" email from HP. so thoughtful Aug 25 19:39:15 ok about that time to bounce.. Aug 25 19:39:23 WOOOO Aug 25 19:39:31 Paid apps for Australia and New Zealand App Catalogs --- Building on the recent addition of HP webOS App Catalogs for Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Hong Kong, we’re excited to announce that developers will be able to offer paid apps in the App Catalogs for Australia and New Zealand as well. Aug 25 19:39:36 yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Aug 25 19:39:55 i'm cashing that check in right now.. Aug 25 19:39:58 but that raises the question, why not all of them Aug 25 19:40:17 gotta run to the bank with all my NZ, Au and hong kong sales Aug 25 19:41:07 I bet that when I check those boxes off, my sales go up Aug 25 19:41:18 but that will be impossible to link Aug 25 19:41:45 too many variables right now to graph Aug 25 19:42:46 fxspec06: you'll have to hire someone to do all that! :) Aug 25 19:42:56 214 here Aug 25 19:43:01 more than i ever remember Aug 25 19:43:16 ajay_: i don't make enough to be able to hire somebody Aug 25 19:43:19 hrmm.. my beta app is avail in all countries already. wonder why so many have to change. eh.. Aug 25 19:43:20 but, some day, i will Aug 25 19:43:44 fxspec06: i was semi-joking, since you said your sales will go up, i said you'll have to hire someone to track, bc you'll be able to :) Aug 25 19:43:50 eh, see yaz! Aug 25 19:43:51 lol Aug 25 19:43:57 patrick probably works for pretty cheap Aug 25 19:44:07 i cannot work with him Aug 25 19:44:15 of course, child labor laws would be tricky lol Aug 25 19:44:16 i wouldn't hire him if he paid me to work for me Aug 25 19:44:23 Hm. Trying to hunt down a Palm Pre 2 Aug 25 19:44:39 lol Aug 25 19:45:11 ah Aug 25 19:45:16 Anyone here know the difference between an OMAP4 and Snapdragon processor? Aug 25 19:45:28 Snapdragon is from Qualcomm Aug 25 19:45:30 my pre 2 will be given to webos-internals when I change platforms Aug 25 19:45:43 bahhh Aug 25 19:45:53 Hmmmm... http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-Palm-Pre-2-Unlocked-Smartphone-NEW-INSTOCK-US-SELLER-/250880141648 Aug 25 19:45:55 Shadyman1 - I was aware of that lmao Aug 25 19:46:36 omap is TI Aug 25 19:48:02 I'd imagine they'r eboth ARM-based Aug 25 19:48:28 no thanks for the help a bit ago.... Aug 25 19:48:29 Well in a list of compatable OMAP4 processors the Touchpad was listed:/ Aug 25 19:51:14 Shadyman1: why a pre2? Aug 25 19:51:29 directhex: because we don't have any pre3s in north america :( Aug 25 19:52:23 PDunny: ARM isn't like x86. There are important differences between most chips. the differences between varios ARM variants is considered one of the biggest problems for non-android mobile OSes, since it takes time & work to port a kernel onto a different chip Aug 25 19:54:57 mmmmmmmm i like my new icon Aug 25 19:55:30 just got my touchpad via UPS. Unpacking it now. :) Aug 25 19:55:55 EdLin: Fun times Aug 25 19:56:14 EdLin: i just got mine from UPS within the last hour Aug 25 19:56:18 :-D Aug 25 19:57:26 Incredible i try everywhere no one touchpad in stock Aug 25 19:57:29 no one!!! Aug 25 19:58:02 iMarck90: it's been that way, with only very rare exceptions, since saturday afternoon Aug 25 19:58:17 gee, do you guys think it'd be easier to install an IPK if i had the touchpad connected to my computer? Aug 25 19:58:28 Yeah. Aug 25 19:58:34 lol Aug 25 19:58:34 palm-install foo.ipk Aug 25 19:58:47 i just tried five different ways to get this thing to change Aug 25 19:58:47 Damn i want it... No news from HP, no news from Chuq Aug 25 19:58:56 before i realized it wasn't even connected.... Aug 25 19:58:57 "now comes the fun part" ;-) Aug 25 19:58:58 i don't want buy on ebay Aug 25 19:59:07 iMarck90: i'm with you on that Aug 25 19:59:12 Everyone sell at crazy price. Aug 25 19:59:16 which tutorial give you success to isntall optware and chroot? Aug 25 19:59:19 directhex: That and pre3 are selling for like $600 on ebay :( Aug 25 19:59:19 and i just heard that best buy may be getting some more today Aug 25 19:59:36 Shadyman1: that's mad. Aug 25 19:59:42 HattCzech_work: So go sit at bestbuy? :D Aug 25 19:59:48 directhex: Are you in Europe? :D Aug 25 20:00:08 Shadyman1: i bought mine before HP pulled the trigger. ÂŁ300 full price. it shipped 19 minutes before the announcement was made ¬_¬ Aug 25 20:00:17 Ffffffuuuuuu--- Aug 25 20:00:19 iMarck90: in the US, they can be ordered on ebay for less than $250 in some cases Aug 25 20:00:36 On ebay italy people sell also at crazy price 560 $ Aug 25 20:00:43 yikes Aug 25 20:00:50 jmichaelx i live in Italy Aug 25 20:01:11 with shipping on my country, the price is crazy Aug 25 20:01:36 We don't have Touchpad in Italy, because is coming (no more...) to end of years Aug 25 20:01:39 I mean, if anyone can find a firesale pre 3 and ship it to me... Aug 25 20:01:39 year* Aug 25 20:03:07 there's no such thing as a firewale pre3 yet! Aug 25 20:03:15 :o Aug 25 20:03:48 i mean, I consider $150 for a pre2+touchstone pretty good.. A local chain is selling a Pre (regular) refurbished for $150 Aug 25 20:04:07 there've been rumours of a new price in the press for days, but it never got sent out to many resellers, and the lowest price a week ago was ÂŁ300 direct from palm Aug 25 20:04:18 if the price drops, then that's another matter Aug 25 20:04:43 I really don't understand, why HP don't sell for first the device for developer Aug 25 20:04:46 the palm eurostore has sold out of pre3s bought by people who are *guessing* that the price will drop, and *guessing* that they can claim a refund on the difference retroactively Aug 25 20:04:50 They say webOS is not dead Aug 25 20:04:59 But without developers everyone know is dead. Aug 25 20:05:02 directhex: That's a lot of guessing Aug 25 20:05:11 iMarck90 - This is a marketing ploy honestly Aug 25 20:05:11 iMarck90: Well, we're all here :D Aug 25 20:05:19 PDunny: You're not the first person to suggest that. Aug 25 20:05:28 :D Aug 25 20:05:28 How was HP going to get the userbase to make webOS worthwhile? Aug 25 20:05:32 PDunny after 2 months and no new application Aug 25 20:05:37 everyone sell it on ebay Aug 25 20:05:43 Shadyman1 - Cause it is completely obvious? Aug 25 20:05:48 ^ Aug 25 20:05:58 Now everyone want, but after don't have no more app and update Aug 25 20:06:02 curious - what kind of integration exists between touchpad and veer right now? Aug 25 20:06:02 no one want it Aug 25 20:06:11 tap to share? Aug 25 20:06:25 iMarck90 - And someone else will be on their list of prospective consumers or developers? Aug 25 20:06:31 Shadyman1: just tap to share? Aug 25 20:06:37 among other things Aug 25 20:06:38 I want webOS Aug 25 20:06:49 Shadyman1: happen to know the other things? Aug 25 20:06:54 anyone here have a veer and a touchpad? Aug 25 20:06:56 This is my first experience with webOS and quite frankly I am extremely impressed Aug 25 20:06:59 Shadyman1: yes, it's a lot of guessing. i thought ÂŁ300 was a good price tbh, compared to rumoured N9 prices Aug 25 20:07:01 uses the same palm account, so you have the same contacts, etc? Aug 25 20:07:01 webos rocks Aug 25 20:07:04 PDunny: touchpad? Aug 25 20:07:14 drobbins - Yes Aug 25 20:07:21 PDunny: yep, cool. You can make it go faster too Aug 25 20:07:34 Them PDunny Aug 25 20:07:36 PDunny: via preware and uberkernel. You can get the cores going at 1.5GHz Aug 25 20:07:39 lol, i was just following a gude on precentral for getting hulu to work. it tells you to rename libflashplayer.so to libflashplayer.bak, then run a sed+regex on libflashplayer.so.... but it isn't there Aug 25 20:07:45 PDunny: and tweak the settings to make it amazingly responsive Aug 25 20:07:49 I don't like the marketing from Nokia because is strange Aug 25 20:07:51 jmichaelx: lolol Aug 25 20:07:52 guide* Aug 25 20:07:53 drobbins - Mine is at 1.72 Aug 25 20:07:59 PDunny: ah :) Aug 25 20:08:02 He say we believe on Windows Phone 7 Aug 25 20:08:04 PDunny: what kernel are you using? Aug 25 20:08:11 but sell the N9 with MeeGo Aug 25 20:08:14 IDK can't remember Aug 25 20:08:18 Not Uber the other one lol Aug 25 20:08:22 ;) Aug 25 20:08:38 and for convince developers Nokia send to they a N950 Aug 25 20:08:42 I also have Ubuntu up and running Aug 25 20:08:45 I have one of this Aug 25 20:09:14 Check out #Touchpad-Ubuntu if you want to help work on getting a more friendly version of Ubuntu up and running Aug 25 20:09:26 It this a good marketing, but only if can want support MeeGo and WP7 Aug 25 20:09:31 Not only one. Aug 25 20:09:47 blargh, now i want a touchstone Aug 25 20:09:56 He also gift the N9 on sweden (if i remember good) Aug 25 20:10:07 They* Aug 25 20:10:15 PDunny: use ssh on the touchpad? Aug 25 20:10:20 Also me want a touchpad for webOS Aug 25 20:10:23 PDunny: I have some performance tweaks for sshd. Aug 25 20:10:26 it a great operating system Aug 25 20:10:38 and can compete without problem with iOS and Android Aug 25 20:11:01 But where? Aug 25 20:11:14 Is this the question... after loosing 4 days Aug 25 20:11:26 PDunny: I have gentoo running on mine. Working on funtoo linux but busy at work. Aug 25 20:11:44 drobbins - Ever heard of Ubuntu Mobile? Aug 25 20:11:46 I understand we can only buy on ebay... Aug 25 20:12:13 PDunny: yep, ever heard of Gentoo? Aug 25 20:12:31 Heard of yes Aug 25 20:12:37 PDunny: I'm the guy who created Gentoo Aug 25 20:12:41 coolio Aug 25 20:12:48 I don't understand why Palm Eurostore hasn't special prices Aug 25 20:12:51 thus my interest in Gentoo/Funtoo (www.funtoo.org) Aug 25 20:13:04 Is it touchscreen friendly? Aug 25 20:13:20 not by default :) Aug 25 20:13:23 it's ssh-friendly Aug 25 20:13:23 IE, can I right click? Aug 25 20:13:25 and xterm friendly Aug 25 20:13:58 drobbins: did you get Gentoo in a chroot, or on the actual metal? Aug 25 20:15:06 anyone know of any MIDI controller type apps for webOS? Aug 25 20:16:28 uff.. Aug 25 20:18:25 someone get me 50% off zagg.com code plss Aug 25 20:19:00 http://retailmenot.com Aug 25 20:19:05 none there Aug 25 20:19:07 only 20% Aug 25 20:19:19 on a different note... http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/the-webos-community-its-personal/ Aug 25 20:24:23 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17750 Aug 25 20:24:24 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/25/alleged-hp-touchpad-running-android-appears-can-be-yours-on-eba/ Aug 25 20:24:35 sold 87 device... Aug 25 20:24:41 -.- Aug 25 20:26:08 I would like to know him how many devices have bought Aug 25 20:32:04 wtf! Aug 25 20:32:15 97 sold, more than 10 available Aug 25 20:32:26 It incredible Aug 25 20:32:30 We are developer Aug 25 20:32:33 And.. That's not a hot price. it's a ripoff. Aug 25 20:32:36 and don't have a f***** device Aug 25 20:32:39 rwhitby: any idea when the patch to be able to full screen the chroot will be released? Aug 25 20:33:07 This sell a device he pay 99 $ to 210$ Aug 25 20:33:13 incredible... Aug 25 20:33:17 ^^ Aug 25 20:33:24 dude's rich now. Aug 25 20:34:02 100 sold Aug 25 20:34:15 Flipping is one way to make money.... Aug 25 20:35:11 Khaytsus: Yeah, but that's why most retailers had a 1-per-household thing Aug 25 20:35:19 My wife got a 32G off ebay for $190 shipped, so not too bad a flip there Aug 25 20:35:23 Shadyman1: Yeah Aug 25 20:36:17 I could have bought 15x 32GBs if I wanted. Aug 25 20:36:21 Good thing the retailer I got mine from didn't have 1 per house.. just wish they would have had more :( Aug 25 20:36:23 but I didn't feel like being a jerk Aug 25 20:36:37 Ryoken|Desktop: They didn't have more because people were buying 5 or 10 Aug 25 20:36:41 * Shadyman1 shifties. Aug 25 20:36:56 I got 2, a 16 and a 32.. was looking for 3 more.. Aug 25 20:37:21 I got two 32s, and one's coming through from EPP Aug 25 20:37:25 Maybe I'll give one to my dad Aug 25 20:37:32 buy a cover, etc for him Aug 25 20:37:36 touchstone Aug 25 20:37:38 That's what I got the 16gb for.. Aug 25 20:37:40 Anyone going to sell one to me in the UK? :( Aug 25 20:37:54 Why do you all have so many? 0.o Aug 25 20:37:57 My father is ill, so this will be great for him to check mail and news when he's stuck in bed.. Aug 25 20:38:07 see, if I'da known everyone was going to want one like this, I *would* have bought more. Aug 25 20:38:09 Boopop: I need one for each appendage Aug 25 20:38:15 sugardave: So.. 5? Aug 25 20:38:18 =/ Aug 25 20:38:20 yep Aug 25 20:38:22 awwyeah Aug 25 20:38:24 4 16s and a 32 Aug 25 20:38:25 I don't buy on ebay, because i live on Italy and with shipping the price is not goo Aug 25 20:38:27 good* Aug 25 20:38:31 er, wait, does 'head' count as an appendage? Aug 25 20:38:37 if so, then 6, sugardave Aug 25 20:38:45 Really hope to HP, WebOS Dev or Palm EuroStore... Aug 25 20:38:46 well, I have one from work already Aug 25 20:39:07 Sell 106... Aug 25 20:39:10 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-16GB-Wi-Fi-9-7in-Black-HOT-PRICE-/160642617767?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item25670bd1a7#ht_500wt_1156 Aug 25 20:39:17 What the.... Aug 25 20:39:25 107 Aug 25 20:39:33 108 Aug 25 20:39:44 I only want one :( Aug 25 20:39:51 Boopop idem :( Aug 25 20:39:52 I'd laugh if he just set QTY=1000 and was going to go buy them as they showed up Aug 25 20:39:58 Boopop: I plan to give them as gifts to people Aug 25 20:39:59 I'm having trouble downloading the 3.0.2 update. Aug 25 20:40:02 Only one damn, no one sell on my nation Aug 25 20:40:06 EdLin: Give it time Aug 25 20:40:29 EdLin: It downloads in the background. That and everyone's trying to download it. Aug 25 20:40:37 On the 16gb the update took about 20 min, and on my 32gb it took over an hour lol.. Aug 25 20:40:43 I was browsing the web the second they cut the prices here in the UK Aug 25 20:40:46 still couldn't get one =/ Aug 25 20:41:06 Half of the EU was waiting for that sale though heh.. Aug 25 20:41:23 ^ Aug 25 20:41:26 I loosing 4 days Aug 25 20:41:27 I doubt half of the EU has been interested in webOS devices however =/ Aug 25 20:41:31 and no one have it Aug 25 20:41:32 They sold out here in stores after less than half an hr.. I got the last 2 in Atlantic Canada as far as anyone knows lol Aug 25 20:41:34 for a year* Aug 25 20:41:46 or like Amazon UK sell it but don't have on stock and after 2 days removed the order -.- Aug 25 20:41:57 Ryoken|Desktop: Our Staples store had Doorcrashers on Saturday.. Except everyone was lined up for the Touchpads instead. Aug 25 20:42:13 hello did someone already installes ubuntu successfull? Aug 25 20:42:27 technikfreak: I'm not sure. Aug 25 20:42:39 I think I heard that someone did Aug 25 20:42:55 on the tp because where i could set on the meta doctor the gb size? Aug 25 20:43:03 People only lined up at Futureshop here.. Staples hasn't drop their price online so I guess no one got in line.. but they still only had 2 left when I showed up 10 min after opening.. started with 10 heh Aug 25 20:43:17 114 O.O Aug 25 20:43:23 anyoen saw the video with the guy that bought the touchpad and said it booted android instead Aug 25 20:43:27 How many device have this?? Aug 25 20:43:49 The Soruce had 5 in stock according to their site, but they sold them all the night before to staff.. they had a line up and a lot og angry people when they found out who they sold them to lol Aug 25 20:43:54 WHAT THE HELLL!!!! Aug 25 20:43:55 HP TouchPad 16GB, Wi-Fi, 9.7in - Black **HOT PRICE!!** Aug 25 20:43:56 high_touch ( 7 ) 100.0% Aug 25 20:43:56 Quantity: 285 Aug 25 20:44:02 he have 285 device!!! Aug 25 20:44:26 Where he take this device???? Aug 25 20:44:35 It impossible!! Aug 25 20:45:09 ^ Aug 25 20:45:12 I call BS Aug 25 20:45:15 "He" could have been a reseller/warehouse that just decided to keep the stock and sell it on ebay rather than sending it to stores/back to HP.. I've seen it happen before. Aug 25 20:45:22 true Aug 25 20:45:27 -.- Aug 25 20:45:56 Adora! Hey! Aug 25 20:46:02 Maybe is part of AMAZON UK Aug 25 20:46:17 because Amazon UK sell HP Touchpad but removed all order, don't sell no one. Aug 25 20:46:21 haha Aug 25 20:46:40 I hate amazon uk Aug 25 20:46:54 I loose 2 days for nothing -.- Aug 25 20:47:17 It sucks, but on the plus side we are finding out the Market & Masses are willing to pay for a non-iOS Tablet.. $210 - $250.. If only they could make them that cheep then HP would be a real force.. Aug 25 20:48:25 Damn i want a Touchpad Aug 25 20:49:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1RyqQTvyQ Aug 25 20:51:03 I can't seem to find any documentation about writing Synergy messaging services, has anyone seen any? Aug 25 20:51:07 iMarck90: Wow. Just go on and on about it, eh? Aug 25 20:51:52 Give it a month or two and I'm sure eBay will have a flood of touchpads in the $100 range.. Aug 25 20:52:26 Probably still over fire sale prices, but yeah it'll settle down Aug 25 20:52:30 Khaytsus i want try webOS Aug 25 20:52:35 And I bet there will be people selling used ones that didn't like the device Aug 25 20:52:56 Khaytsus: That'll be Nobody! ;) Aug 25 20:53:02 Speaking of which... LIttle lags here and there, no biggie. But what is up with typing and rotating? You can't type for like 5-10 seconds! Aug 25 20:53:22 Khaytsus: on 3.0.2? Aug 25 20:53:23 Ya you won't get them for $99 or less.. but I can see $120-180 as reasonable.. Aug 25 20:53:26 I found it to be true in several different apps.. yes, 3.0.2 Aug 25 20:53:27 anyone else getting "can't find account number in vista" error? Aug 25 20:53:51 I mean if they are selling new for $210 on eBay, then in the $100's is reasonable for a used product.. Aug 25 20:54:15 And by then the hype will hade died down.. Aug 25 20:55:20 did the touchpad add launcher tabs patch get removed or something? Aug 25 20:56:08 maik: I installed it hte other day Aug 25 20:56:09 I had the rotation-keyboard lag so many times setting up the wifes various email addresses last night I had to turn off rotation lock Aug 25 20:56:16 i can't find it :/ Aug 25 20:56:47 It was there last night, cause that's when I installed it. Aug 25 20:56:48 Saw it in Settings (adding email accounts), the market app, in the browser.. Aug 25 20:58:04 mojo swapscene on the touchpad is slow as molasses. Aug 25 20:58:47 Otherwise, the wife really likes the touchpad. She used it for several hours last night. Aug 25 20:59:00 Only annoyin thing is youtube in the browser, gotta hit the full screen button every time Aug 25 20:59:45 what can i do to speed up dom content loading on touchpad swapscene Aug 25 20:59:50 There needs to be a true YouTube app, like iOS has :/ Aug 25 20:59:51 it's SO SLOW >.> Aug 25 20:59:56 arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 25 21:00:04 lol mojo Aug 25 21:00:08 Ryoken|Desktop: Yeah.. Android's is nice as well Aug 25 21:01:04 Shadyman1: it's a phone app that works w/ touchpad with the same exact code Aug 25 21:01:24 high res and all Aug 25 21:02:16 http://twitter.com/#!/RkNRollaAyatola/status/106832480459436032 Aug 25 21:05:00 i feel so guilty when i call tech support and ask to be transfered to sales Aug 25 21:05:10 but if i call sales directly, i wait on hold for an hour Aug 25 21:05:16 ... Aug 25 21:05:38 if i call tech support and get transfered i wait less than 5 minutes Aug 25 21:05:39 thats nice of you fxspec06 - is it touchpad only for that promo? Aug 25 21:06:32 when i say wait on hold for an hour, i dont mean i speak to someone after waiting for an hour, it means i quit trying after an hour Aug 25 21:07:16 there's also phone versions Aug 25 21:07:21 on each site, respectively Aug 25 21:07:33 i have an update in the works i'm planning to submit friday Aug 25 21:07:45 please, tell me what you guys think of my new icon? ------ http://i.imgur.com/w7U6t.png Aug 25 21:08:38 fxspec06: sweet Aug 25 21:08:39 corners are a littly choppy Aug 25 21:08:41 otherwise, nice Aug 25 21:08:44 guys, is the pre3 worth getting? Aug 25 21:08:55 for <$100, yes Aug 25 21:08:56 first thought, looks sharp but i wouldn't know its a poker / card game Aug 25 21:09:02 thanks lonequid Aug 25 21:09:04 fxspec06: yeah edges that is all Aug 25 21:09:04 lonestar* Aug 25 21:09:15 Tibfib, its not where im looking :) Aug 25 21:09:17 Draecos: Why, can you get one for <$100? :D Aug 25 21:09:19 hmm ya edges Aug 25 21:09:20 so that answers that Aug 25 21:09:22 :) Aug 25 21:09:39 I'd get one for <$200 actually Aug 25 21:09:44 more than that, probably not Aug 25 21:09:48 this is Ł199 Aug 25 21:10:25 which is way more than $199 :) Aug 25 21:10:30 hah Aug 25 21:10:35 hope the eurostore is cheaper Aug 25 21:10:38 I was considering getting the Pre 3 when it launched Aug 25 21:10:42 Madness? This is SPARTAAAAA Aug 25 21:10:45 zomg: Me too. Aug 25 21:10:51 But since it seems they just gimped it entirely for Finland Aug 25 21:10:52 I'm not going to Aug 25 21:11:14 hi there, can one of you help me out... my touchpad seems to be a bit bricked... it stucks at 12% on "webos doctor"... any idea how to get a complete rom into that machine?... Aug 25 21:11:19 Well, gimped it for all countries except where it's officially sold because of their moronic country-lockins Aug 25 21:11:54 anyone know whats new in the new App Catalog release? Aug 25 21:12:48 anyone by chance have a touchpad out of the us/canada area? just need a super quick check of something Aug 25 21:13:26 * twbbas is in the US and has a TouchPad Aug 25 21:13:43 * Tibfib points at the twbbas guy Aug 25 21:14:02 * twbbas points at Tibfib Aug 25 21:14:09 woo, new screenshots, including pre3 versions. http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/screenshots.html Aug 25 21:14:55 rwatkins: good question Aug 25 21:14:59 rwatkins-mbp: Looking good Aug 25 21:15:06 and that too Aug 25 21:15:12 * twbbas wants a Pre 3 Aug 25 21:15:19 rwatkins-mbp: oeh! me likes! Aug 25 21:15:21 But, I'll have to settle for Android Aug 25 21:15:29 your app, I presume? Aug 25 21:15:31 now to .. package and submit to the Beta catalog. Aug 25 21:15:33 ya Aug 25 21:15:42 lookin' good :) Aug 25 21:15:46 thx! Aug 25 21:16:30 twbbas everyone want a Pre 3, touchpad but... no one have it or can buy only at crazy price on ebay Aug 25 21:16:32 high resolution icons on the pre3 look good too Aug 25 21:16:42 *reads the FAQ* hmm, syncing between devices :) Aug 25 21:16:53 I really hope my TouchPad order passes and I can get a Pre3 now :) Aug 25 21:17:05 my tp will be here tomorrow ;D Aug 25 21:17:17 PatrickBregman: ya, thats kinda the point :) Sync your article read positon between your TouchPad, Pre3, or ... iOS device. Aug 25 21:17:25 I wouldn't consider $210 for a touchpad to be a crazy price on ebay.. Just go back one week from today and look at the prices lol Aug 25 21:17:29 I ordered at Fnac, and my order is still preparing Aug 25 21:17:59 How to get regular Hulu.com website working again on the TouchPad: https://twitter.com/#!/JayCanuck/status/106826083873202176 Aug 25 21:18:03 rwatkins-mbp: an IOS device... That would mean spending a whole lo- o wait, no, OS X 10.7 is practically iOS :P (sorry for the flame) Aug 25 21:18:11 rwatkins-mbp: how much Pre3 specific code did you need? Aug 25 21:18:15 Ryoken for me i live in Italy i need also to pay shipping Aug 25 21:18:22 akanster: not .. that much. Aug 25 21:18:42 check for device, reorder components? Aug 25 21:18:44 Still iMarck90, a far cry from the $400-500 USD they were selling for.. Aug 25 21:19:02 I do some UI adjustments for the size - some css based on media queries, some code looking at if multiView = true. Aug 25 21:19:25 i hide and show a few components based on multiView and the screenwidth. Aug 25 21:19:37 like moved Share to the app menu as there is less room in the toolbar. Aug 25 21:19:45 yeah, if I want to order a Pre3 here and now I have to settle for an AZERTY model (living in a QWERTY region) and still pay €450 with shipping and taxes >_< Aug 25 21:19:48 Added support for the Back gesture and a few things. Aug 25 21:20:01 I don't understand Ryoken, why i pay 210 for a product sell 99$, remember HP is still unclear and could leave webOS Aug 25 21:20:12 one dialog has to layout 3 buttons vertically rather than horizontally, but just programatically change the layoutKind Aug 25 21:20:31 i cant believe the prices the TPs are going for on ebay Aug 25 21:20:46 some nearly the price they were on the HP store 2 weeks ago Aug 25 21:20:50 bonkers Aug 25 21:20:53 Because they product doesn't sell for $99 when no one has any to sell.. Aug 25 21:21:09 rwatkins-mbp: is paper mache open Aug 25 21:21:20 Draecos: really? Aug 25 21:21:22 And if there are no devices for developers, No app Aug 25 21:21:26 rwatkins-mbp: for point #5 in your FAQ, would it not be possible to run a very lightweight server, bound to localhost to handle the bookmarklet? Aug 25 21:21:31 yep akanster Aug 25 21:21:31 The power of platform is the app Aug 25 21:21:35 akanster: open source? no. free $? yes. Aug 25 21:21:36 was selling for Ł399 here Aug 25 21:21:47 just seen one BIN for Ł350 Aug 25 21:21:48 :O Aug 25 21:22:06 thieving gypsies Aug 25 21:22:13 are there some webos cracks in here, who can help me with my bricked device :-) Aug 25 21:22:32 annoys me that people have just cashed in on it when there are people that genuinely want one Aug 25 21:22:34 like me :D Aug 25 21:23:07 Protorix: I have no idea how to do it or what to do, but I've read numerous times here that if your device is still capable of powering up you should be able to "doctor" it back to running... Aug 25 21:23:09 PatrickBregman: I dont understand. you can patch the browser and just cross launch or make an ajax request, but its not possible to run JS code from teh browser in the webview. Aug 25 21:23:13 maybe Google can tell you more with that Aug 25 21:23:36 rwatkins-mbp: ow... in that case, just ignore what I said :) Aug 25 21:23:46 yes, i have also read that it is more or less impossible to brick it, but webos doctor always stucks at 12% Aug 25 21:24:37 in that case, I don't know anything anymore :) Aug 25 21:24:47 maybe check the logs to see if there's any record of that? Aug 25 21:24:55 I mean the IRC logs, as linked in the topic Aug 25 21:25:01 rwatkins-mbp: looks like you still use the sliding panes Aug 25 21:25:19 akanster: ya, works rather well for that. Aug 25 21:25:24 yes it logs something, but I´m not that the crack... so I can see the logs but I don´t know what all that means, well the device is now low on juice ... Aug 25 21:25:46 rwatkins-mbp: you are not worried about screen size? Aug 25 21:25:47 when i saw the first enyo email demo I realized that sort of thing was perfect for this kinda UI Aug 25 21:25:59 that's something that I *did* read, you need a 33% or higher charge I believe Protorix Aug 25 21:26:55 akanster: the sliding pane kind does this automatically based on the width. Aug 25 21:27:10 Yes, but this are two things, you need at least 25% of charge, but the low on power issue and the 12% stuck issue are two different things... damnit I just played a bit with that preware and than, it restarted the whole time ... Aug 25 21:27:12 ooh Aug 25 21:27:19 ya. sweet. Aug 25 21:27:38 try it in a browser, just drag the window wider or smaller and it .. just changes. Aug 25 21:28:08 oh that's right. I remember that behaviour from the old enyo mail demo Aug 25 21:28:29 ya, clearly a framework built with multiple resolutions in mind. worked well here. Aug 25 21:30:03 I had to ditch the toaster that slides in from the right, but that stuff was all accessible in the main Preference panel as well. Aug 25 21:30:44 I planned the app knowing i'd be supporting phones so didnt write myself into a corner with some features. Aug 25 21:31:46 ok, i am impressed with the touchpad Aug 25 21:31:49 hi guys Aug 25 21:31:55 just got 2 tps :) Aug 25 21:32:02 :D Aug 25 21:32:22 Where Eric? Aug 25 21:33:04 man does hp suck for killing it Aug 25 21:35:01 its a great 100-150 tablet huh? Aug 25 21:36:04 I imagine the MacBook Air would make a great $200 laptop as well. Aug 25 21:36:21 Bmyers: it's a sweet tablet Aug 25 21:36:29 would probably fly right off the shelves too! Aug 25 21:36:35 does it feel heavy 2 u? Aug 25 21:36:52 sorry, busy working. :) got 2 at Best Buy yesterday Aug 25 21:36:53 rwatkins-mbp: almost any modern specced laptop would fly off the shelves at that price Aug 25 21:36:59 rwatkins-mbp: no doubt. this is admittedly my first tablet, and would never have purchased a more expensive one Aug 25 21:37:41 so some best buy stores had them yesterday? Aug 25 21:37:44 Unfortunately, the more i use it, it impresses me less and less. If I'd paid $600 for one of these, i'd have driven it to HP HQ and htrown it thru their windows. Aug 25 21:37:57 i thought best buy was permanently out of stock Aug 25 21:38:11 the vision is right, the execution is poor. Aug 25 21:38:25 EricBlade: i am more impressed the more i use it Aug 25 21:38:31 I just hope someone ports OpenTTD to the TouchPad Aug 25 21:38:35 Then I'm happy Aug 25 21:38:36 =) Aug 25 21:38:50 * jmichaelx looks up OpenTTD Aug 25 21:38:54 lol, $20 from bn Aug 25 21:39:25 anyone else get that? Aug 25 21:39:26 OpenTTD already runs on N900 and some WinMo devices so I'd gather having it on the TouchPad would not be impossible Aug 25 21:39:45 so clearly people are using the same profile on several of the TPs they're hording. Aug 25 21:39:51 zomg: i'm sure it wouldn't be impossible at all Aug 25 21:39:59 getting a large bump in Update/Restores Aug 25 21:40:15 zomg: would it possibly just be a matter of compiling it? Aug 25 21:40:36 Hm, think it uses SDL? Aug 25 21:40:42 If that's available then maybe Aug 25 21:40:50 rwatkins-mbp: interesting, my updates are about 1/10 of the uniques currently Aug 25 21:41:06 Would probably need some minor changes to allow easier use on a device with no physical buttons though Aug 25 21:41:24 i have 555 new, 87 restores today so far. Aug 25 21:41:38 zomg: yea, i guess there are things like that to take into account Aug 25 21:41:42 i've done all the logging and other patches .. but the unit just keeps getting slower and slower Aug 25 21:41:45 but had like 44 and 9 last week. Aug 25 21:42:08 and that was after an update trailed off Aug 25 21:42:08 so you're at like 20% mostly Aug 25 21:42:19 i had an app update around the ... 8th. Aug 25 21:42:35 but cleary none of those 87 today actually had the version prior to the 8th. Aug 25 21:42:41 and my app does not exist on non-TP devices yet. Aug 25 21:42:49 i am currently answering phone calls for a tv station for work, and i decided to try getting the feed for the station on it, which works (flash video) .. but it starts out super fast and extremely poor quality, and then it ramps up to a middlingly-bad quality, and moving like a slide show. Aug 25 21:43:07 hmm Aug 25 21:43:46 i can pick up the SD or HD ver on my PC right next to it, using the same connection, with no hitches at all .. the touchpad can barely handle the SD ver in a tiny window, it seems Aug 25 21:43:50 woop Aug 25 21:43:52 de Aug 25 21:43:53 loop Aug 25 21:44:16 and just scrolling thru apps, and the extremely long delays between when an app shows, and when it starts responding, are driving me nuts Aug 25 21:45:21 the messenger app also has horrible pause/responsiveness issues Aug 25 21:45:32 there are some pretty awful performance issues on the device to be sure Aug 25 21:45:36 it's still the only tablet i'd want Aug 25 21:45:42 http://dustyreagan.com/hps-touchpad-is-the-ultimate-business-dashboard/ -- I'm trying this! Aug 25 21:46:04 yo Aug 25 21:46:08 party people Aug 25 21:46:09 lol Aug 25 21:47:11 the eurostore is credit card payment or paypal? Aug 25 21:47:54 ya touchstone is sweet Aug 25 21:48:04 Update Thur 25th 9pm : Aug 25 21:48:04 No new orders can be taken for this Product at this time. No change expected to that position before 31st August Aug 25 21:48:08 NOOOOO!!! Aug 25 21:48:10 neat and all for the Pre, but amazingly useful with the TP. Aug 25 21:48:38 * eurisko is going to hang himself Aug 25 21:49:06 i don't actually think Enyo is very amenable to the dynamic analysis v8 does either Aug 25 21:50:47 The messenger app is absolutely terrible. I've received like 6 messages on it on my Skype, over the course of the day. I work with a dozen different groups that all use Skype, it's -constantly- going off on PC and iPod Aug 25 21:51:07 so, i need to figure out how I can mitigate these issues, and make this into something i love :) Aug 25 21:51:41 my impression of the messenger app is that it's trying to make it so you only get messages in one place, the "active" one Aug 25 21:51:45 and does a really awful job of it Aug 25 21:51:49 http://www.wirelessandmobilenews.com/2011/08/hp-touchpad-oficial-statement-hp-online-best-place-to-buy-hp-touchpad-no-pre-3-no-att-hp-touchpad.html Aug 25 21:55:22 i was super excited to see it had skype support built in Aug 25 21:55:47 but my gf and i are both logged into the skype app, and i can see only about half a dozen of my hundred or so logged in people, and can't even locate the person next to me Aug 25 21:57:13 just got a confirmation about a TP order on saturday. never got any other email from HP Aug 25 21:58:01 i had given up on hp and ordered one sunday from BB Aug 25 21:58:08 it's already here. Aug 25 21:58:33 Sell the extra one on ebay, so you end up getting your current one free ;) Aug 25 21:59:07 what the going rate now for a 32gb? (not the $11,000 on w/android) Aug 25 21:59:58 Well $210 is the current rate for 16gb's.. at least the buy-it-now price.. Aug 25 22:00:40 not the "going ahead, make my day buy it now price" but completed items Aug 25 22:01:07 I think the buy it now price is cheeper than the auction prices at the moment lol Aug 25 22:01:21 yikes Aug 25 22:01:52 Ok, anyone using the music app had any issues with skips in audio ? Like for a fraction of a second the audio drops off ? Aug 25 22:02:43 I'm assuming you all saw the hulu fix? Aug 25 22:02:54 tell me about the hulu fix Aug 25 22:03:03 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hulu_Fix Aug 25 22:03:04 did u try the hulu fix? Aug 25 22:03:07 it works Aug 25 22:03:10 i just tried it Aug 25 22:03:12 figured it would Aug 25 22:03:22 i love this thing Aug 25 22:03:23 until hulu blocks "WIN 10" Aug 25 22:03:29 that might block windows computers... Aug 25 22:03:48 i'm assuming that stands for Windows Flash Player v 10 Aug 25 22:04:09 there's at least two other easy things other than that string they could detect on :P Aug 25 22:04:11 i bet they'll block based on user agent next Aug 25 22:04:15 i dont understand why hulu went out of their way to block it in the fist place? Aug 25 22:04:26 i'm sure its a content provider thing Aug 25 22:04:33 (r ^) Aug 25 22:04:35 these content companies are pretty archaic Aug 25 22:05:01 the user agent mod broke the app catalog though Aug 25 22:05:04 not sure why Aug 25 22:05:25 fix hulu and break app cat? Aug 25 22:05:30 So no one else has had any issues with the music player ? Aug 25 22:05:44 user agent mod doesn't do anything for hulu Aug 25 22:05:48 hulu isn't blocking us based on that Aug 25 22:05:59 that is why there is content that is available in hulu free, that isn't available in hulu plus (that sure is intuitive), and content available when viewed in a browser that is not available when using the hulu desktop app Aug 25 22:06:00 Ryoken|Desktop: other than the volume is too low and the sound stops working randomly? Aug 25 22:06:00 http://twitter.com/#!/jaaksi/status/106848352213286912 Aug 25 22:06:01 it works in the browser, but i couldn't use the app catalog after modding it Aug 25 22:06:04 ridiculous Aug 25 22:06:46 Sond just stops, or drops off for a fraction of a second then back to normal.. Almost like would happen with CD's back when they first came out lol.. Aug 25 22:06:54 contracts with content providers specify where its allows to stream to. Aug 25 22:07:12 yeah Aug 25 22:07:18 i don't really mind breaking the rules though Aug 25 22:07:26 we're still watching their stupid ads Aug 25 22:07:29 haeffb: hey, are you around? Aug 25 22:07:33 price to license Glee from Fox to stream to a mobile phone is less than the price to stream to a tablet. Or a TV. Aug 25 22:08:36 dgarbs: and try an explain that to Comcast when they come asking why they pay X to license Glee to show cable subscribers, but 1/5 X to stream it over the internet. Aug 25 22:08:58 Anyone know when the dev portal allowed you to submit an app for AU/NZ? Aug 25 22:09:56 so unless you wanna pay $40/month for your Hulu, this cat and mouse game is gonna continue. Aug 25 22:10:41 http://www.bestbuybusiness.com/bbfb/en/US/adirect/bestbuy?cmd=catProductDetail&showAddButton=true&productID=BB11466865 Aug 25 22:10:48 It available from here 32GB Aug 25 22:10:59 But you think work? Aug 25 22:11:32 rwatkins-mbp: welcome to the future Aug 25 22:11:39 there's a reason I don't have cable tv Aug 25 22:11:59 http://www.bestbuybusiness.com/bbfb/en/US/adirect/bestbuy?cmd=catProductDetail&showAddButton=true&productID=BB11484429 Aug 25 22:12:01 64GB WHITE Aug 25 22:12:05 $692 Aug 25 22:12:12 ooo Aug 25 22:12:43 16gb bb link? Aug 25 22:12:50 wow nice Aug 25 22:12:55 trying to install touchplayer from preware.... taking a very, very long time Aug 25 22:12:59 no img :( Aug 25 22:13:23 jmichaelx -- it won't work.. Aug 25 22:13:45 Ryoken|Desktop: why is that? Aug 25 22:13:49 iMarck90, dawm|laptop: will those orders go through? Aug 25 22:13:55 No 16GB only 32 Aug 25 22:13:56 no idea Aug 25 22:14:15 I don't know if working... Aug 25 22:14:17 You need to download it from palmcentral.net Aug 25 22:14:23 apparently i have another TP coming from HP Aug 25 22:14:31 didnt think the order went thru Aug 25 22:14:43 since i hadn't heard from them since sat Aug 25 22:15:07 so the android bestbuy tps were real? Aug 25 22:15:09 chuqui: any updates from your side about developers being able to order some? Aug 25 22:15:25 i installed touchplayer w quick install Aug 25 22:15:30 I'm getting 'cannot add to cart' Aug 25 22:16:17 Anyone here submitted an app/update on Monday or later and got it approved already? Aug 25 22:17:20 twbbas: you're the only one, you already asked ;) Aug 25 22:17:45 HattCzech_work: nothing to report. still a work in progress. Aug 25 22:17:59 NuttyBunny: People that submitted their app to be sold in AU/NZ are getting their apps approved already. I think the portal only allowed that like tuesday and later Aug 25 22:18:13 I submitted an update to my app Sunday night and it hasn't been approved yet :( Aug 25 22:18:13 twbbas: yeah. we just turned that on. Aug 25 22:18:25 twbbas: I'm just messing with you, I really don't know :) Aug 25 22:18:32 they're working through them. midnight oil in the app review team again. Aug 25 22:18:40 chuqui! Aug 25 22:18:50 chuqui: Isn't it like a first-come first-serve type thing though? Aug 25 22:18:57 And my free app went straight to AU/NZ automatically :D Aug 25 22:18:59 ok, how do we know how much he shipping/tax on a loaner is if we decide to keep it? Aug 25 22:19:06 chuqui: i'm guessing your advice would be to get one at a local store if we manage to find one? Aug 25 22:19:47 twbbas: not exactly. Aug 25 22:20:07 hmm? Aug 25 22:20:19 twbbas: I heard that chocolate can speed things up ;) Aug 25 22:20:26 NuttyBunny: Tibfib told me that Aug 25 22:20:29 that's only for Adora Aug 25 22:20:29 NuttyBunny: we'll…. Aug 25 22:20:30 * NuttyBunny hides from Adora Aug 25 22:21:02 PCrush sell final price Aug 25 22:21:04 any news on non-NDA'ing 2.2? Aug 25 22:21:04 http://www.pcrush.com/subcat/1276/Tablets?refid=1643 Aug 25 22:21:08 time to go vkb mode Aug 25 22:21:14 Damn why i don't live in USA? Aug 25 22:21:21 have an enyo pre3 app, already in the beta catalog, w/ screenshots ... Aug 25 22:21:26 with shipping on Italy is crazy price. Aug 25 22:21:31 Hi chuqui, I sent an email about my apps in review limbo. Any word? Aug 25 22:21:47 akanster: When'd you submit? Aug 25 22:21:58 submitted on the 19th Aug 25 22:22:11 new app or update? Aug 25 22:22:22 full update Aug 25 22:22:30 dang Aug 25 22:22:39 I submitted a full update Sunday night Aug 25 22:22:49 the "submit date" keeps changing tho Aug 25 22:22:50 akanster: passed all of those over to the review team. they're looking into things. We were all in meetings for a while today, about stuff of which I can't speak. Aug 25 22:22:52 I know other people that submitted a full update Sunday afternoon already got theirs reviewed days ago Aug 25 22:23:14 akanster: Oh dang. Mine does too! Aug 25 22:23:25 ah! the future of webOS is being decided in the meetings! Aug 25 22:23:36 "The WebOS" Aug 25 22:23:38 I hope it involves more devices Aug 25 22:23:45 NuttyBunny: I will hunt you down! Aug 25 22:23:50 :) Aug 25 22:24:22 hehehe... I just wanted to say it ONCE, just to see how it does feel Aug 25 22:24:28 no like Aug 25 22:24:33 "no me gusta" Aug 25 22:24:54 there sure are a few apps that don't rotate Aug 25 22:25:56 dawm|laptop: hmm, needs a business login or calling on the phone Aug 25 22:26:21 On Palm EuroStore France Touchpad and pre out of the stock Aug 25 22:27:31 COMMERCIAL TOUCHPAD 1.5G 32GBWL 4G BLACK Aug 25 22:27:48 lulz Aug 25 22:28:04 not 1g not 3g not 4g but 1.5g!! Aug 25 22:28:12 are there touchpads with more RAM in them or is bestbuy for business just on crack Aug 25 22:28:28 whoops, forgot to say Thanks chuqui! Aug 25 22:28:45 bb4biz didn't let me order Aug 25 22:28:49 like wtf Aug 25 22:29:41 how long til that phone number to create an account dies Aug 25 22:30:14 are you guys still able to place the order? Aug 25 22:30:33 Incredible every last sell touchpad and pre 3 on Palm Store is sold Aug 25 22:30:45 it's been like that iMarck90 Aug 25 22:30:48 Do you think there is hardware for developers? I don't think no more. Aug 25 22:30:50 people anticipating the price drops Aug 25 22:31:07 Palm Eurostore is not OOS yesterday and have normal price Aug 25 22:33:04 oh, nice to see there are some very knowledgeable people on channel. so, hopefully, we can make this an awesome device instead of this "meh" that i'm feeling towardsi t right now. Aug 25 22:33:14 PsWii60: that's supposed to be the processor speed Aug 25 22:36:24 hmm, installed a theme, but can't figure out how to use it Aug 25 22:36:47 as soon as i'm done with my work for the day, i'm installing the dev kit, and seeing what we can build for this thing Aug 25 22:37:25 did skype make it onto the pre3? Aug 25 22:44:00 so posting to the Beta catalog, anyone know how long this normally takes? Aug 25 22:44:22 they say "24 hrs" but last time it was "overnight". Aug 25 22:46:55 hm, so my order got charged and has shipped. 32GB TP. but appears to only be 1 of 2. :/ Aug 25 22:47:06 hmm, is it possible to install themes? maybe these are just for pre's? Aug 25 22:47:49 jmichaelx: a theme is essentually just a patch to the system files. it just "is" there isnt really any "using" it. Aug 25 22:47:58 http://www.entercomputers.com/hp-fb454ut-touchpad.html This have on stock but normal price Aug 25 22:48:13 really think everyone buy at 399$? Aug 25 22:48:18 lol Aug 25 22:48:28 eternity stock Aug 25 22:48:41 rwatkins-mbp: well, to the extet that i installed a theme, and i do not know how to use it there is.... Aug 25 22:48:47 extent* Aug 25 22:49:11 suggestion for the people who work on the official websites, when i googled "how to make a webos app", i ended up rapidly on a path to hell, following links that led me through a bunch of outdated versions of the sdk and stuff. might be worth putting links on the old pages to the up-to-date pages Aug 25 22:49:32 EricBlade: developer.palm.com Aug 25 22:50:10 current sdk smack there on the home page. Aug 25 22:50:24 rwatkins-mbp: yes, i found my way eventually to something up to date, but google originally found my way to old versions very quickly, i had to search a little more dilligently to locate the up to date. Aug 25 22:50:51 EricBlade: unfortunately HP has no ability to change other peoples web pages. Aug 25 22:51:23 Some company have Touchpad on stock but only normal price Aug 25 22:51:33 why don't sell with the fire sale? Aug 25 22:51:52 rwatkins-mbp: i'm talking about developer.palm.com. Aug 25 22:52:21 I ended up all over the 2.1 release and had to actually dig to find the 3.0 release Aug 25 22:52:49 so i'm suggesting that the 2.x pages be updated to have a pointer saying "hey this is old stuff" :) Aug 25 22:53:07 EricBlade: the broke images all over the place might be a clue that those are not the place to start. Aug 25 22:53:21 my guess is they're nolonger even linked, but an artifact of a crappy CMS. Aug 25 22:55:08 * EricBlade shrugs. i'm new, i don't know any better. other new people will experience the same thing. Aug 25 22:56:13 but, yay, i am done with work and can down my network interfaces, so i cani nstall this thing. Aug 25 22:57:05 if you go 3.0, all you really need from the SDK is the enyo JS files. then just crank up Chrome and go write code. Aug 25 23:02:24 umm.. got a problem with the installer. "Out of disk space -- Volume: C: required space: 621629KB, available space: 218328KB. Free some disk space and retry." .. Actual amount of space free: 69,046,222,848 Aug 25 23:05:55 would someone recommend to me a decent file manager for the TP? Aug 25 23:07:25 hmm, the tp does not see my cups printer... Aug 25 23:07:56 solution, buy new HP printer. Aug 25 23:08:10 While they still make them :p Aug 25 23:08:14 rwatkins-mbp: lol Aug 25 23:09:15 HP would be horrified (justifiably perhaps) that my printer is a deskjet 940c, and approximately 10 years old Aug 25 23:10:09 I get a new printer whenever I have something to print.. cheeper than getting more ink.. Aug 25 23:10:17 until recently, this was my printer : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT_Laser_Printer Aug 25 23:11:49 HP horrified, Steve Jobs proud. Aug 25 23:12:24 940c? <-- 850c Aug 25 23:13:51 free app pack from palm huh Aug 25 23:15:55 nice. easy way to not write your own camera app, just give away the 3rd party one written. Aug 25 23:17:07 is there a way to tell if the text of a Kind is being wrapped around? Aug 25 23:17:17 ie, the textbox is too small Aug 25 23:17:51 wow Aug 25 23:17:56 dwc-: you use an 850c? Aug 25 23:17:57 I have 3 textboxes in an hflexbox, and I want one to disappear if it's too squished Aug 25 23:18:01 I wish my app was featured there Aug 25 23:18:04 tons of downloads :D Aug 25 23:18:44 last.fm app is progressing well Aug 25 23:19:37 it's an asston more work than I thought it would be :x Aug 25 23:20:01 no built-in camera app is sort of a weird thing Aug 25 23:20:20 not to mention no alarm clock (that i have noticed, at least) Aug 25 23:20:27 Is there a free camera app ? Aug 25 23:20:40 Palm is giving Camera for TouchPad away Aug 25 23:20:44 Check the blog Aug 25 23:20:58 link ? It's not free in my App Catalog lol Aug 25 23:21:12 jmichaelx: clock has alarm. Aug 25 23:21:35 Check @Palm on twitter Aug 25 23:21:43 jmichaelx: yep Aug 25 23:21:53 rwatkins-mbp: ty, i assumed it almost had to be there somewhere Aug 25 23:22:28 Pff US only Aug 25 23:22:32 as long as inventories last, eh Aug 25 23:22:38 dwc-: damn, i've been beat out again...i didn't think anyone would have stood a chance against my 940c Aug 25 23:22:48 I wish they'd link with the promo codes so I can just click Aug 25 23:23:09 I wish the codes would work in Canada :/ Aug 25 23:23:25 BTW, anyone who has SplashID on their phone can get a promo code for SplashID HD for the touchpad. see the touchpad hd patches thread on precentral Aug 25 23:24:55 ok, not seeing anything about the camera app Aug 25 23:25:01 in the blog, that is Aug 25 23:25:14 it's in the blog, top post Aug 25 23:26:25 ok, i clicked on a link that brought me to an older blog entry Aug 25 23:28:57 what!!!!!! Aug 25 23:29:02 palm is giving camera way!? Aug 25 23:29:07 i just bought it! Aug 25 23:29:18 maybe htey'll give you a refund! Aug 25 23:29:18 firesale! Aug 25 23:29:21 and a firesale! Aug 25 23:29:39 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 25 23:29:39 man a whole $.99 down teh Tube! Aug 25 23:29:51 To be fair, it's 99cents.. you've lost more money than that dropping a coffee on the way to your car :p Aug 25 23:30:01 they should refund me full price and send me extra $9,999 in my paycheck next month! Aug 25 23:30:43 so many #$@^&^%#*! passwords to (not) keep track of Aug 25 23:30:44 Hm. How do I change my country? :x Aug 25 23:30:48 and give me manicure. and ice cream Aug 25 23:30:50 its like when people are leary of subscribing to use Paper Mache - its like a whole $3 to try it out! Aug 25 23:30:57 you pay more than that for your latte. Aug 25 23:30:57 fxspec06: just be glad you didn't just buy audobon birds Aug 25 23:31:07 lol wth is audobon birds Aug 25 23:31:11 i saw fluffy birds Aug 25 23:31:14 is that the same thing Aug 25 23:31:24 and Marco will likely refund you if you ask. Aug 25 23:31:38 that poor guy Aug 25 23:31:40 he'll lose 70c Aug 25 23:31:49 nah, i only did it to support him in the first place ; ) Aug 25 23:31:59 i really couldn't care less about the camera Aug 25 23:32:01 it sucks Aug 25 23:33:56 I used promo codes for each app palm gave away to support those developers Aug 25 23:34:06 thanks for the heads up on the apps twbbas Aug 25 23:34:15 no problemo Aug 25 23:34:23 I got the $15 free bird thing lol Aug 25 23:34:33 that dev better thank me :D Aug 25 23:34:54 the free bird thing? Aug 25 23:35:02 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 25 23:35:13 argh I just bought glimpse last night Aug 25 23:35:35 well I can't get any of them. US-only :( Aug 25 23:35:48 omg Aug 25 23:35:49 and I can't change my country in my webos account. Aug 25 23:35:53 I hope they have Canadian codes by tomorrow.. I'd like to add the bird one to my fathers Touchpad.. Aug 25 23:35:56 i so would have got that Aug 25 23:36:01 Ryoken|Desktop: Indeed Aug 25 23:36:08 i just so happened to spend $30 on apps this morning -.- Aug 25 23:36:15 fxspec06: the free bird thing as in I used the promo code to support the dev Aug 25 23:36:17 My parents live out in the country.. so it would be nice for them.. Aug 25 23:36:25 He gets 70% of $15 for each person that uses that promo code Aug 25 23:36:37 sweet Aug 25 23:36:52 I don't regret anything I paid for, even if it was all free tomorrow.. Aug 25 23:36:54 some guy who wants to free birds? Aug 25 23:36:59 that's nice Aug 25 23:37:05 lol Aug 25 23:37:20 But no way would I pay $15 on the bird book lol Aug 25 23:37:54 lol, ok Aug 25 23:38:04 Yay.. looks like we got paid apps for Australia finally Aug 25 23:38:15 i had to clear 60gigs of space on my D: drive to get the SDK to install, when it was trying to install to C: and said it need 600megs Aug 25 23:38:37 60 gigs? Aug 25 23:38:43 clean your tmp folder Aug 25 23:38:52 D: is my temp folder lol Aug 25 23:39:04 That's why I always make sure I have 2+TB of free space at all times.. if I run low, it's time for some more HDD's Aug 25 23:39:12 i have a spare 100gig drive that i use as my temp for everything Aug 25 23:39:20 Shadyman1: can you confirm they don't work? Aug 25 23:40:22 rwhitby: That which don't work? Aug 25 23:40:48 Shadyman1: the 6 pack promo codes Aug 25 23:41:08 damn this app catalog is slow Aug 25 23:41:12 "Not valid for your region". Aug 25 23:41:16 s/region/country Aug 25 23:41:21 they're country-specific. Aug 25 23:41:26 ah yeah, they say in the post it's US only Aug 25 23:41:38 boo :( Aug 25 23:41:44 every day I'm glad I didn't trust them and registered mine as US Aug 25 23:42:07 hehe Aug 25 23:42:29 You should be able to change the country, like in iTunes.. Aug 25 23:43:15 Do you need to have a cc to use the promo codes? Aug 25 23:43:21 ok, i don't yet have webos 3.0.2 or something Aug 25 23:43:30 can't get the camera app Aug 25 23:43:30 RobbieJ: Yes. Aug 25 23:43:34 You have to have one on your account. Aug 25 23:43:40 it doesn't charge it though if you use promo codes Aug 25 23:45:22 ok, this app catalog is VERY freaking slow Aug 25 23:45:37 I don't find it any slower than iTunes.. Aug 25 23:45:49 Which isn't saying much.. but still Aug 25 23:46:40 i am totally unfamiliar with itunes, so you may well be right Aug 25 23:46:50 dude Aug 25 23:46:58 idk how ppl can say that itunes is slow Aug 25 23:47:06 Because it is.. Aug 25 23:47:08 that's suck a weak argument Aug 25 23:47:14 iTunes on Windows is kind of a pain in the ass, I'll give them that Aug 25 23:47:14 it's not slow Aug 25 23:47:16 not for me Aug 25 23:47:19 it's not though Aug 25 23:47:29 It's slow on MacOS, and Really slow on Windows. Aug 25 23:47:31 i have a 60+gb library, and it's not slow at all. Aug 25 23:47:37 my little iPod 4 runs much smoother than this device for the most part, which is annoying. Aug 25 23:47:41 i cannot imagine why so many people use itunes to begin with Aug 25 23:47:41 i can take a video for you Aug 25 23:47:47 and show you how not slow it is Aug 25 23:47:52 it's certainly not faster, but the ipod is much smoother Aug 25 23:47:52 Not talking about the Library, though that's another story, was talking about the App Store Aug 25 23:48:03 oh well Aug 25 23:48:04 And store in general.. Aug 25 23:48:07 i use it for the library Aug 25 23:48:13 the player itself Aug 25 23:48:25 So do I.. It's the best out there, even on Windows, but it's slow lol Aug 25 23:48:32 hi guys, anyone has experience with haxe and webos? Aug 25 23:49:09 kuba_: webos can play flash Aug 25 23:49:41 hey webos. is there a standard set of icons for enyo apps? I've seen icons in the 1st party apps (like email and what not) but I don't see a way to use them except to copy the pngs into my app and I don't know if the licensing allows that. Aug 25 23:49:53 onr: but is there any way to sell flash game in app catalog? Aug 25 23:50:17 zylogz80: You're allowed to use those icons in your webOS app Aug 25 23:50:20 can I build in swf into webos app? Aug 25 23:50:21 I think for the Canadian Catalog, they should give us a promo code for Need for Speed.. it's about eh only non-angry birds app in the Catalog that catches my eye lol Aug 25 23:50:43 zylogz80: SDK license allows use of files in webOS apps Aug 25 23:50:44 yofel: what are you doing in here? you're supposed to be in #kde Aug 25 23:50:53 rwatkins, twbbas thanks! Aug 25 23:51:21 kuba_: why dont you use enyo? Aug 25 23:51:24 Well, forget the charging, the Touchstone is hmandy as a stand when I'm on the train. Aug 25 23:51:30 * zylogz80 is thinking about using danrabbit's elementary icon theme and modifying them but having stock webosy ones would be nice... Aug 25 23:51:44 * Hendikins can, however, use it for charging on certain trains. Aug 25 23:51:47 glyphish is a nice icon set Aug 25 23:52:57 onr:I have ready for publish flash game, which I am going to publish for iOS and Android, and it would be great to publish it for webos Aug 25 23:53:10 ooh, glyphish is nice Aug 25 23:54:05 they're CC - wonder what the proper attribution method is. Aug 25 23:54:11 to this game I dont need haxe actually but I asked fo future, if it worth to invest time in it Aug 25 23:54:15 yeah, only downside is if you don't want to pay to license it you have to include a mention of it somewhere in the app saying you used them Aug 25 23:54:16 * zylogz80 downloads Aug 25 23:54:38 but if you already have an info/about page, then you can just stick it in there Aug 25 23:54:43 SineOt, you know what - I don't think I can use these. My app is GPLed Aug 25 23:54:55 my TP says it's downloading the audubon book , but if it is, it's going at sub-dial-up speeds Aug 25 23:55:05 zylogz80: oh GPL! Aug 25 23:55:15 yeah that's why I was looking at Elementary Aug 25 23:55:22 and then just modifying the colors and what not Aug 25 23:57:43 i honestly believe it is going to take an hour or more to dl this audubon birds book Aug 25 23:57:51 so what about embeding swf into webos app:)? Is there any way to do that? Any control like webView or something which can load swf? Aug 25 23:58:35 aaaaa Aug 25 23:58:40 er, oops Aug 26 00:00:26 jmichaelx: it's a big app Aug 26 00:00:39 786.7mb it says Aug 26 00:01:21 just found out I have a third touchpad on the way from HP. lolz. forgot about that one. Aug 26 00:01:30 I'm swimming in these damn things Aug 26 00:01:45 zylogz80: I'll more than happily take one off your hands Aug 26 00:01:50 " Aug 26 00:01:51 (or two if you have spares) Aug 26 00:01:56 SineOt, OVER MY COLD DEAD BODY Aug 26 00:02:08 * zylogz80 will be using TouchPads 30 years from now Aug 26 00:02:17 zylogz80: don't say that, because at this point I WILL KILL YOU TO GET AT THEM >:O Aug 26 00:02:22 HAHHAHA Aug 26 00:03:33 zylogz80: Um, I bet you said that about Palm OS too? Aug 26 00:04:04 Never used Palm OS. Switched to webOS when the TouchPad came out. Aug 26 00:04:11 talk about a slap in the face :P Aug 26 00:04:23 From? Aug 26 00:04:26 Android Aug 26 00:04:32 k Aug 26 00:04:45 hrm, xvkbd crashes attempting to enter caps. Aug 26 00:05:23 man, here I am having dealt with a Sprint Pixi for nearly two years and I'm having an ass of a time finding a touchpad :p Aug 26 00:06:08 Touchpads aren't hard to find.. fire up ebay lol Aug 26 00:06:14 SineOt: hey, you're in a country where they released phones - that makes one of us. Aug 26 00:07:41 Hendikins: Yeah, I suppose. Aug 26 00:07:46 ok, guys, maybe i'm retarded, but, i'm following the app tutorial on the palm site at https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial2.html .. once i get thru to page 2 to test it with chrome, i get absolutely nada. Aug 26 00:07:51 Ryoken|Desktop: Tell someone something wroth $500 can be had for $200 and it's an awesome deal. Tell them it can be had for $100, but only available for $200, and it's a terrible deal. Aug 26 00:07:51 No wifi on the Sprint Pixi was just so bad. :< Aug 26 00:08:23 Khaytsus.. then we need to stop telling them about the $100 part.. Aug 26 00:08:30 Ryoken|Desktop: there you go Aug 26 00:08:58 rats... my audobon app download failed and has to start over >_> Aug 26 00:09:01 soo... where should my framework be after installing everything? Aug 26 00:12:26 dwc-: mine is downloading, but at a ridiculously slow speed Aug 26 00:12:41 SineOt: I've got a mate in Brisbane who has been using WebOS phones since the GSM Pre+ was released, and he can't get a TouchPad for love or money. If nothing shows up I'm giving him my spare. Aug 26 00:13:13 Khaytsus: In the latter case, they know it is because somebody is a profiteering bastard on-selling for twice the price. Aug 26 00:13:22 People tend to resent that. Aug 26 00:13:40 jmichaelx: does webos have a bw monitor? Aug 26 00:13:46 palm pre and pixi can run flash? Aug 26 00:14:01 dwc-: bw monitor? Aug 26 00:14:07 bandwidth Aug 26 00:14:31 yea.... i know what you mean, but don't know whether or not it has one Aug 26 00:15:14 dwc-: my guess is that a person would have to install an app for that Aug 26 00:15:20 oh, where'd you get the ridiculously slow speed guess from Aug 26 00:15:57 hm, should be easy to make a live bw monitor app Aug 26 00:17:07 kuba_: Pixi, no, Armv6; Pre can as long as it's running 2.0 or higher Aug 26 00:17:53 SineOt: thank you Aug 26 00:19:53 can I run flash in emulator, because it looks that there is a problem with it Aug 26 00:21:00 hey all Aug 26 00:21:48 after neary 45 minutes, app catalog has only downloaded about a thried of the audubon birds book Aug 26 00:21:53 third* Aug 26 00:22:19 It's not small.. Aug 26 00:22:26 hm, sounds like it may be a busy day for the app catalog servers. Aug 26 00:22:29 HP scale! Aug 26 00:22:41 And doesn't the touchpad have a bandwidth limiter for downloads ? Aug 26 00:22:42 that's a good thing! Aug 26 00:22:59 can't install uberkernel Aug 26 00:22:59 ok, tutorial should link to the "Getting Started with the Emulator" page first, which i had to hunt down Aug 26 00:23:01 Ryoken|Desktop: mine doesn't : Aug 26 00:23:08 can someone look at the Kong log? Aug 26 00:23:10 siestacat: #webos-internals Aug 26 00:23:53 you really wanna avoid the emualtor till you need to. so much faster to dev in Chrome. Aug 26 00:24:14 launch chrome, start the debugger/inspector and then review the console for errors. Aug 26 00:24:44 Ok the pauses in the music player are annoying, it happens once almost every song, seemingly at random :/ Aug 26 00:24:44 Chromium FTW Aug 26 00:25:29 anyone know how you change the default browser Aug 26 00:25:44 in webOS? Aug 26 00:25:51 its not an officially supported thing Aug 26 00:25:58 i see Aug 26 00:26:59 this is the first platform that sells a browser that is basically the same as the stock browser Aug 26 00:29:50 jmichaelx: mine is done downloading... we'll see if it installs Aug 26 00:29:50 Why is it only me having these audio problems with the Music app :/ Aug 26 00:30:09 and... it failed ... again Aug 26 00:30:19 time to go look at logs Aug 26 00:31:22 http://www.isthetouchpadinstock.com/ Aug 26 00:31:24 something that would make this os look a ton better, is if H-dragging was disabled if there was no where to H-drag to. Aug 26 00:40:56 Tibfib: ping Aug 26 00:41:19 hmm. tutorial authors get an A for effort, and a smack in the ass for failure to include the actual data files, after each step, or an explanation as to when you were replacing parts of the last step's data, or adding to it. Aug 26 00:42:03 EricBlade1: what tutorial are you following? and what language(s) do you know? Aug 26 00:43:45 PatrickC_TP: the one at https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial2.html . i work in primarily PHP and UnrealScript. I have a bit of experience in Javascript, and I'm about 20 years out of date on C and C++. Aug 26 00:44:51 ya'll see the free apps? Aug 26 00:45:00 free apps? Aug 26 00:45:14 yay! Aug 26 00:45:15 clearview is now 16th in productivity Aug 26 00:45:18 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 26 00:45:19 =O Aug 26 00:46:43 o thats paid apps.. Aug 26 00:46:51 but free with promo code Aug 26 00:46:54 MY APP Aug 26 00:46:56 IS FREE Aug 26 00:47:03 which one??? Aug 26 00:47:09 Camera for TouchPad Aug 26 00:47:11 well this is awesome Aug 26 00:47:16 nice, just grabbed it Aug 26 00:47:18 i can't use the P key in my chroot Aug 26 00:47:19 lol Aug 26 00:47:24 guess you'll be seeing some monies coming your way Aug 26 00:47:26 Download it! Everyone! Aug 26 00:47:31 pass that link around Aug 26 00:47:35 its on slickdeals Aug 26 00:47:38 i paid for camera yesterday Aug 26 00:47:39 so i think you're gonna rake it in Aug 26 00:48:00 kesne: I already did lol Aug 26 00:48:33 kesne: how does that work? Aug 26 00:48:39 clearview has moved up 13 spots in productivity, in just about 24 hrs Aug 26 00:48:43 they giving you the % you would have made from sales? Aug 26 00:48:43 bnceo: What do you mean? Aug 26 00:48:51 kesne: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3246370 Aug 26 00:48:53 since your app is free Aug 26 00:48:59 over 6k views Aug 26 00:49:19 bnceo: They just pay me as if it's a real download Aug 26 00:49:21 i envy you right now Aug 26 00:49:27 gotcha. awesome Aug 26 00:49:33 I bought the app already tho =) Aug 26 00:49:43 there...just gave you 70 cents Aug 26 00:49:44 enjoy lol Aug 26 00:49:53 tho you should make it for the Pre3 since it does have a front camera too =) Aug 26 00:49:57 kesne: I bet you're gonna make a crap ton of money now Aug 26 00:50:01 if the camera app doesn't do front Aug 26 00:50:09 he is Aug 26 00:50:16 especially now that it's on slickdeals Aug 26 00:50:18 (If he already isn't making a crap ton of money) Aug 26 00:50:18 bnceo: I need a pre3 to test though Aug 26 00:50:23 ya ya Aug 26 00:50:25 I know =( Aug 26 00:50:27 I already was, heheheh >:D Aug 26 00:50:32 I figured lol Aug 26 00:50:37 kesne: i'll take some of that Aug 26 00:50:38 I saw how many reviews you got Aug 26 00:50:49 twbbas: make sure to leave reviews plz! Aug 26 00:50:51 kesne: I bet it'll be featured in Pivot next month Aug 26 00:50:52 i'll review your game Aug 26 00:50:57 fxspec06: Will do. thanks Aug 26 00:50:58 soon Aug 26 00:50:59 twbbas: I asked them to do it Aug 26 00:51:10 yeah i've been asking as many ppl as i can Aug 26 00:51:14 fxspec06: Oh, I have a surprise for you. Aug 26 00:51:19 oh really Aug 26 00:51:22 i'm excited Aug 26 00:51:26 i love your surprise already Aug 26 00:51:30 =D Aug 26 00:51:47 fxspec06: It's a secret though Aug 26 00:51:49 fxspec06: Did you find the easter egg in my app? Aug 26 00:51:51 dear god, i installed Glimpse, and it took over a minute to accept input from the time it launched Aug 26 00:51:54 mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Aug 26 00:52:12 twbbas: nope, i haven't got the chance to use it Aug 26 00:52:14 hope there's some OS updates that will address crap like that Aug 26 00:52:17 i got so many apps today Aug 26 00:52:26 i've only used a little over half of them Aug 26 00:52:27 how do I get the 6-pack Aug 26 00:52:33 if i havent spent all of my 50 dollars yet Aug 26 00:52:45 the catatlog seems to want to use only 1 promo code Aug 26 00:52:56 just enter the code when you hit purchase Aug 26 00:52:57 right? Aug 26 00:52:58 I wish they would hurry up and post some codes for us Canadians :( Aug 26 00:53:01 differences Aug 26 00:53:33 damn canadiens, think they know what they talking aboot Aug 26 00:53:52 when u hit purchase it uses the credit card doesnt it? Aug 26 00:54:06 Ehm, this how do I "back" from the Preware preferences menu? Aug 26 00:54:12 We should have gotten the 6-pack first, after all we got the Fire Sale first lol Aug 26 00:56:07 so really this is bullshit Aug 26 00:56:14 Grr.. I thought maybe it was the overclocking that was causing the audio issues in the Music app.. but it just happened again :( Aug 26 00:56:24 how do i use a new promo code if i havent used all of my 50 dollar credit Aug 26 00:56:43 Wait, you got a credit o_0 Aug 26 00:56:49 at least on mine puff, hitting purchase brings up a modal window Aug 26 00:56:58 that window has the option to purchase and then one below it that says promo code Aug 26 00:57:03 im afraid to hi purchase Aug 26 00:57:08 lol its 1 dollar Aug 26 00:57:16 test on the camera app ;) Aug 26 00:57:21 Hit purchase, then it prompts you for how.. Aug 26 00:57:28 i dont want that shit ;) Aug 26 00:57:31 ok, i thought the app that i first saw this preferences style in was broken, but seriously, the default way for webos to have dropdown boxes, shows their current setting on the left, with the name of them on the right, and the dropbox to change them being a click on the name? Aug 26 00:57:39 Then don't get any of the free apps :p Aug 26 00:58:02 How to I go to Luna manager from the Preferences menu Aug 26 00:58:09 ya fuck Aug 26 00:58:13 it just bought that shit Aug 26 00:58:16 no modal dialog Aug 26 00:58:20 this is bullshit Aug 26 00:58:30 must be because you have that code added to your profile or something Aug 26 00:58:41 I'm not sure exactly what the Palm people are thinking, but in English we read left-to-right. Aug 26 00:59:00 I'm honestly confused as to how to navigate the Preware menu Aug 26 00:59:07 Oh nm Aug 26 00:59:17 selective blindness Aug 26 00:59:53 not uncommon,dihydrogen, open source software tends to do things differently for no other reason than "it's different" or "i didn't know how to do it the right way" Aug 26 01:00:08 Yeah I couldn't find the [back] arrow on the screen Aug 26 01:00:12 my brain just ignored it for an hour Aug 26 01:00:16 with the free app, do you tap purchase and then enter the code? Aug 26 01:00:24 Yes Aug 26 01:00:29 puirchase, then "use promo code" Aug 26 01:00:38 after you enter your card information if you haven't alraedy done it Aug 26 01:00:42 Bmyers: NO Aug 26 01:00:49 how do pdk apps load so much faster than the other apps Aug 26 01:00:52 PuffTheMagic: ? Aug 26 01:00:57 not if u already have the 50 dollar credit Aug 26 01:01:12 i didnt get the credit. whats up with that? Aug 26 01:01:20 How did you get credit ? I want Credit :/ Aug 26 01:01:33 people who got early TPs got a credit Aug 26 01:01:44 pff Aug 26 01:01:48 firesalers do not Aug 26 01:01:51 drank the koolaid too late i guess Aug 26 01:01:59 what's up, #webOS???? Aug 26 01:02:03 Why not spend the $50, then get your free apps :p Aug 26 01:02:15 not $50 worth of apps I want? Aug 26 01:02:31 The way things are going, there may never be lol Aug 26 01:03:04 * haeffb might add a $50 app, then buy it and get $35 in cash... Aug 26 01:03:19 lol Aug 26 01:04:11 I'm so used to android that this is a really weird/unique experience for me Aug 26 01:06:07 is there a google voice app thati ntegrates to the messaging and stuff? btw, my Skype account -finally- logged in and is visible everywhere - after almost 24 hours Aug 26 01:07:25 what is the golden rule of UI design? all user input must be dealt with within... 0.1 sec? Aug 26 01:08:18 sorry i'm negative nancy around here, but this does not live up to my experience with any other device on the market now Aug 26 01:10:33 haeffb: are you scamming the app cat again? Aug 26 01:11:19 nah. It'd take more time than $35 is worth Aug 26 01:11:38 got the TP, wifie likes it Aug 26 01:12:08 and i guess i have another coming. Aug 26 01:12:27 ordered one from hp on sat and just got a confirmation a few hours ago Aug 26 01:12:36 fuckin webos butler service Aug 26 01:12:49 Bmyers: if you don't want it, I'll buy it :p Aug 26 01:12:51 5 day lag time for order confirmation isnt too bad for a server company i guess Aug 26 01:13:16 i was going to be happy with just one Aug 26 01:13:27 FREE SPARKLE HD. ok, i've just justified this purchase. Aug 26 01:13:28 not gonna hoard them like haeffb Aug 26 01:13:36 I ordered one from HP SMB on saturday and got it yesterday Aug 26 01:13:37 is sparkle good? Aug 26 01:13:38 We had a 4 day lag between buying and… Order cancellation. As icing on the cake they still haven't released the hold on the funds. :T Aug 26 01:13:50 SineOt: nice.. Aug 26 01:13:57 Microcenter cancelled my order from Saturday and they're still holding my funds >.> Aug 26 01:14:10 camp best buys delivery trucks :D Aug 26 01:14:22 slash their tires Aug 26 01:14:25 steal the TPs Aug 26 01:14:28 EricBlade: I'm trying to do one better… Butter up the store GM to hold one for me :U Aug 26 01:14:28 consider it a short term loan Aug 26 01:14:43 A short term loan without any interest, yeah Aug 26 01:14:50 there's interest.. Aug 26 01:14:53 All while ensuring you can't buy from somewhere else Aug 26 01:14:54 but u pay it Aug 26 01:15:00 not them. Aug 26 01:15:10 SineOt: :) i heard yesterday that some had shown up in a store in Indiana about 4pm. I showed up at my local store at 4:30pm, they said "a truck will be here maybe with some about 5." i stood and waited at their receiving door. Aug 26 01:15:29 they handed me one, and by the time i was finished paying for it, a flash mob had started behind me Aug 26 01:15:31 they gotta love ppl like u Aug 26 01:15:51 EricBlade: ahhhhhhhh, damn it. Yeah we have no idea when our BB store will be getting any, which makes it a LOT tougher to do Aug 26 01:15:54 well we did go and dink around at their 3-D TV display Aug 26 01:16:19 they consider the store a low traffic store so their entire stock they had going into the sale was a measly 22 units total between the 16 and 32 Aug 26 01:17:12 There was a total of 25 units in my whole down, spread over 3 stores.. Aug 26 01:17:29 The one I ordered from BestBuy.com is on it's way from Fresno, CA by turtle Aug 26 01:17:38 hehe Aug 26 01:17:40 guhghghghh this whole thing is just driving me up the wall Aug 26 01:17:43 I prefer backwards donkey Aug 26 01:18:06 i really hate how apps force certain orientations too Aug 26 01:18:16 i prefer to operate with the charging jack on my left, but some apps make me flip it Aug 26 01:18:50 the other two from HP.com - no idea. I have order confirmation yesterday (from order Saturday), but no shipping info.\ Aug 26 01:19:09 I know the feeling of slow orders.. When I ordered my Windows 7 tablet, it went from Calf, to Toronto, to Vancouver [ to clear customers.. wait I through Toronto had their own customs area .. ], then across the country to Nova Scotia where I am.. Aug 26 01:28:01 TP is in Ohio Aug 26 01:29:55 Sparkle runs smooth as silk. why can't all the rest of the apps do that? Aug 26 01:30:35 maybe it's time to invest in speeding up the ol' webkit Aug 26 01:32:31 EricBlade: yup, it's a build checked out in October 2009 with a lot of webOS specific tweaking done Aug 26 01:32:42 i'm really sad with this Aug 26 01:32:44 of course it also misses out on all the speed tuning done in the almost 3 years since Aug 26 01:33:03 palm eurostore will not have stock tomorow Aug 26 01:33:05 SineOt: that's pretty significant, it was a terrible slug back then. not sure how much better it is now Aug 26 01:33:09 or ever Aug 26 01:33:33 now, it's "really pretty nice" Aug 26 01:34:00 i guess i'll have to learn to build native apps if this can't be solved, because the web apps performance is just terrible everywhere Aug 26 01:34:04 between all the new features that ease eye candy and the massive overhauls of the JS engine I'm sure that a modern webkit behind webOS would make things scream Aug 26 01:34:43 i didn't realize until i got into the SDK that the majority of apps are webkit stuff. it all makes sense now. Aug 26 01:35:21 Yup. Lots of webkit Aug 26 01:36:24 It's why I wouldn't be surprised by the rumors of HP higher ups wanting to kill the hardware because "webOS" ran so much better on an iPad-an enyo app is basically all pure JS and HTML, and with iOS using such a modern, heavily tweaked webkit to provide its rendering engine I'm sure enyo apps just flew like bats out of hell Aug 26 01:38:47 i'd guess we have much much slower storage devices than the iDevs too, but not real sure Aug 26 01:38:53 either that or it's loading a ton more stuff regualrly Aug 26 01:39:14 hmm. time to go out for the evening. bbl, then i'll learn all about developing apps, and hopefully can make some good stuff out of this Aug 26 01:41:13 So, I know it's not as cheap as the hpshopping.com site, but hey.. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-Palm-Pre-2-Unlocked-Smartphone-NEW-INSTOCK-US-SELLER-/250880141648 Aug 26 01:41:15 ordered mine. Aug 26 01:47:46 sold mine Aug 26 01:47:52 for 250 Aug 26 01:48:07 sans ts Aug 26 01:49:10 my daughter liked kung fu panda story book.. Aug 26 01:49:44 thx for putting up that free 6 pack app link Aug 26 01:50:03 Bmyers: If she liked that, she'll love Camera for TouchPad! Aug 26 01:50:20 Such a pity that six pack is for US profiles only. Aug 26 01:50:22 dl'd that too. u still get yours right? Aug 26 01:51:04 I mean sure, I'm using a US profile because it dates back well before they gave a damn about AU, but this doesn't exactly provide incentive for Australians to use AU profiles. Aug 26 01:51:11 they still pay u for the downloads kesne Aug 26 01:51:30 Bmyers: of course Aug 26 01:51:40 the fact that you dont live in the US is of no consolation to you? Aug 26 01:51:58 kesne: good for you. Aug 26 01:52:25 cant believe hp doesnt provide such a thing out of the box Aug 26 01:53:06 sugardave: still sleeping? Aug 26 01:53:52 anyone had touchpad issues with PDK games? Aug 26 01:54:08 suuuure Aug 26 01:54:13 (other than me) Aug 26 01:54:17 been getting a lot of that lately Aug 26 01:54:19 NOT Aug 26 01:54:28 ??? Aug 26 01:54:35 hey u ever write enyo apps? Aug 26 01:54:41 or , release any? Aug 26 01:54:46 hawx and nova have whiteness for textures. Aug 26 01:54:50 humm Aug 26 01:54:52 never released any, no Aug 26 01:55:13 u waiting the the easter of webos? Aug 26 01:55:37 I can't submit new apps :( Aug 26 01:56:07 u cant? Aug 26 01:56:19 hes not allowed Aug 26 01:56:27 so the app catalog can't keep up with the traffic? who'd a thunk? Aug 26 01:56:42 you switched jobs correct sugardave ? Aug 26 01:57:05 Bmyers: I'm still at HP :D Aug 26 01:57:19 Then get us some touchpads.. Aug 26 01:57:21 but we can't submit new apps Aug 26 01:57:23 :p Aug 26 01:57:32 I might be able to update my old apps Aug 26 01:57:45 its like keystone cops at every turn Aug 26 01:57:47 and I might do that for Scan Do! when/if I ever get some time Aug 26 01:58:06 i wasnt sure if u had taken that job. i guess u did Aug 26 01:58:17 aint that a bitch eh? Aug 26 01:58:47 hows being low man on the totem pole in a spin off group feel? Aug 26 01:58:54 :) Aug 26 01:59:15 heh, we're not spun off yet :P I have my project ;) Aug 26 01:59:32 touchpad 2? Aug 26 01:59:35 Overclocking the touchpad to 3 ghz and beyond? Aug 26 01:59:46 heh, no...SWAT project Aug 26 01:59:59 Scouring the wearhouse for stray touchpads to sell ? :p Aug 26 02:00:28 well what do you do there? Aug 26 02:01:28 Bmyers: I'm on the SWAT team...so basically "whatever we need to work on" and right now I'm working with a partner to bring their app to webOS Aug 26 02:01:48 netflix!!! Aug 26 02:01:50 that's what I was doing in Vancouver, meeting with them Aug 26 02:01:52 oh, cool. that was the BC thing? Aug 26 02:01:52 cow clicker Aug 26 02:02:00 Hey so, I didn't update WebOS before I installed the preware stuff Aug 26 02:02:02 birth control O.o Aug 26 02:02:04 netflix is in CA, not Canada Aug 26 02:02:06 does this mean I need to uninstall them first Aug 26 02:02:07 :( Aug 26 02:02:44 nevermind, sugardave, I'll run netflix on my iPad2 Aug 26 02:02:54 * sugardave kills haeffb. Aug 26 02:03:08 who's next? Aug 26 02:03:14 Man, I feel really bad for some of the in store webOS reps! Talked with a few of them in my adventures to find them. Next round of hires was supposed to fly out to Denver to get trained on monday, and now they don't have jobs any more. Aug 26 02:03:35 Originally signed on for a 2 year term, and they're all going to get laid off with under 2 months of it completed. :( Aug 26 02:03:46 lame Aug 26 02:04:04 yeah Aug 26 02:04:09 I hate that people are going to lose their jobs, but glad I still have mine Aug 26 02:04:25 sugardave: I feel the same about mine... Aug 26 02:04:25 did u relocate? Aug 26 02:04:26 Yeah… Especially that second batch that are getting laid off before they even got to start and make a single pay check. That's got to be a huge slap in the face. Aug 26 02:04:40 Bmyers: no, that's one of the awesome parts Aug 26 02:04:54 good for u Aug 26 02:05:07 burn any bridges at the last job? Aug 26 02:05:14 hell no ;) Aug 26 02:05:19 unfortunately I don't have any webOS device to test my simple game (based on flash) on real device, iand Emulator doesn't support it. Is there anyone to help me with it? We can share eventually profits;) It is flood type game so performance won't be problem. Aug 26 02:05:20 even better. Aug 26 02:06:01 Saddest part is that in talking with one of them, she was saying how the Touchpad was finally getting to the point in mindshare where people would come in wanting to ask about the Touchpad in particular, instead of stumbling upon it after coming in wanting to ask about the Tab/Xoom/Playbook etc. Aug 26 02:06:02 audubon wont install Aug 26 02:06:04 grrrr.. Aug 26 02:06:30 I'll be riding this webOS train until I die or it does...then see what happens. I'm more of an ad-hoc person, anyway Aug 26 02:06:46 u r Aug 26 02:06:54 u'll land on your feet. Aug 26 02:07:01 either way... Aug 26 02:07:03 if anyone is interested in please PM, I can show some screens Aug 26 02:07:43 sugardave: if you ever stumble across one, I'd sure love a Touchpad Go ;P Aug 26 02:07:54 SineOt: what's that? Aug 26 02:07:54 i might port my guyrules app to enyo Aug 26 02:08:00 for my own enjoyment Aug 26 02:08:19 its a free app anyway so what the heck Aug 26 02:08:34 Bmyers: enyo is fun Aug 26 02:08:38 The 7" Touchpad that made its way through the FCC in ATT 3G flavor about a week and a half ago. Aug 26 02:08:40 after you get past the frustrating Aug 26 02:08:40 Bmyers: have you done any Enyo? It's so easy Aug 26 02:08:53 just what we did at the NYC thing Aug 26 02:09:00 Do I need to uninstall all of the old ipks to update webos Aug 26 02:09:01 other than that, not much Aug 26 02:09:02 SineOt: oh! The TouchPad No....yeah, no Aug 26 02:09:17 Touchpad No, haha. Aug 26 02:09:40 app cat is a bit slow Aug 26 02:09:41 you would classify enyo as fun after mojo? Aug 26 02:09:52 Bmyers: it might take a few hours/days to get used to it, but it is great Aug 26 02:10:01 (i cant get audubon birds to install) Aug 26 02:10:17 Enyo is way better than Mojo, take it from me Aug 26 02:10:20 Remember - HP is an enterprise software company now Aug 26 02:10:27 i'll have a whack at it.. i know a few smart mo-fo who know enyo.. Aug 26 02:10:43 as evidenced by their HP.com store, the app catalog, ... Aug 26 02:10:50 enterprise like, space, the final frontier ? Aug 26 02:11:09 no no, it's entepWise Aug 26 02:11:16 you know what would be nice on the touchpad? Aug 26 02:11:24 wirc.. that would be sweet.. too bad.. Aug 26 02:11:31 Arrived at FedEx location PERRYSBURG, OH Aug 26 02:11:35 :D Aug 26 02:11:42 next stop.. my door step Aug 26 02:11:51 enyo-wirc is under development Aug 26 02:12:18 i know, i saw the devs here so I had to raz 'em Aug 26 02:12:18 of course two of the apps in the free list i already purchased with the free $50 Aug 26 02:12:23 I'd like to see Bejeweled and Plants vs Zombies on the touchpad.. Aug 26 02:12:39 which are the free apps... I haven't even looked Aug 26 02:13:04 audubon, sparkle hd, kung fu panda book, camera, and something else Aug 26 02:13:16 Does Preware for Touchpad support Terminal? Aug 26 02:13:18 and something else again Aug 26 02:13:30 apparently I have to spend my $50 before I can get them for free, though... Aug 26 02:13:43 u cant use the code? Aug 26 02:13:53 FYI: to those who don't have a touchpad yet, I have an order of 20 Touchpads I put through today via a phone call to newegg (they sold them at the $99 a piece). I intend to sell them at cost, with no profit, when they arrive, to people who develop or wish to develop Aug 26 02:14:21 u got 2k around to do ppl favors? Aug 26 02:14:37 i'm not giving them away for free Aug 26 02:14:46 in the end it will be at no cost to me Aug 26 02:14:51 no, but floating 2k for kicks. Aug 26 02:14:58 on your CC? Aug 26 02:14:59 Maybe he's also the guy with 200 that's being sold on ebay ;) Aug 26 02:15:11 Bmyers: some people have bought way more than 20 over on Slickdeals Aug 26 02:15:26 whoa! Aug 26 02:15:29 I've seen people putting in orders for 50+, and there was someone who put through… Get this: 10 orders of 20 units. Aug 26 02:15:33 well...I want to encourage development Aug 26 02:15:43 20 units each, rather. So 200 total. Aug 26 02:16:11 the most powerful force in the universe Aug 26 02:16:16 and if I can't find 20 people who want to develop and buy the tablets, I'm sure I'll have no problem finding other buyers Aug 26 02:16:24 Bmyers: the $50 credit to early adopters is a promo code Aug 26 02:16:31 A lot of these people are putting in orders that size in the hopes of turning around and selling them on ebay for 2-3x the cost, so if LarrySteeze|Away wants to sell them at cost to people who want to develop, then by all means, do it Aug 26 02:16:44 I don't think you'll have trouble finding 20 people who say they want to be developers lol Aug 26 02:16:46 so when I go to buy, and press "Use Promo Code" it uses the $50 credit Aug 26 02:16:55 I think it's a noble cause. Aug 26 02:17:08 Ryoken|Desktop, they should goto published developers that werent able to get one Aug 26 02:17:11 not just any schmo Aug 26 02:17:23 Do beta catalog apps count? :< Aug 26 02:17:42 LarrySteeze: that sounds great, LarrySteeze Aug 26 02:17:59 I've been a part of the community since the 6/6 release, I want to encourage it in any way possible...and if I can ensure that developers or people interested in development are able to get ahold of one, I'll do what I can Aug 26 02:18:17 I would have bought more, but it was the most my wife would let me order :P Aug 26 02:18:37 great wife, i had to give my one to get one.. Aug 26 02:18:47 oh don't worry...she has one Aug 26 02:18:53 I had previously purchased 4 Aug 26 02:19:13 one for myself, one for her, and two for two of my developers Aug 26 02:19:19 So wait, NewEgg still has some if you call them ? Aug 26 02:19:30 they did this morning Aug 26 02:19:36 what did newegg say when u ordered 20? Aug 26 02:19:53 the girl on the line laughed at first and asked if i was serouis Aug 26 02:19:55 *serious Aug 26 02:19:55 thats more that some locals stores around here had in stock Aug 26 02:20:01 but beyond that, it was no problem Aug 26 02:20:28 u have apps out from your developers? Aug 26 02:20:30 it appears that free apps makes people go to the app cat Aug 26 02:20:33 webos apps? Aug 26 02:20:38 LarrySteeze: I am definitely interested in it, to say the least. We've had nothing but a miserable time trying to find any of them anywhere Aug 26 02:21:26 Bmyers: not at the moment, but the touchpad purchase was my attempt at motivation Aug 26 02:21:41 mine too Aug 26 02:21:51 i have a few mojo apps out there Aug 26 02:22:06 but i did go full bore like sugardave when enyo came out Aug 26 02:22:12 brb Aug 26 02:22:23 now with the firesale, and all that Aug 26 02:22:32 it's been interesting watching the whole thing Aug 26 02:22:38 Yeah, I didn't put too much effort into Enyo because I was in wait and see mode. At least now I know there's a metric ton of these tablets out there. Aug 26 02:23:01 drop in the bucket compared to the roid's and ipads Aug 26 02:23:34 at $600, i'm not interested in a tablet Aug 26 02:23:49 at 150? sure, pass me some koolaid.. Aug 26 02:24:16 which is exactly why our primary focus is iOS and Android. I do, however, plan to start with a webapp in order to get as much market penetration as possible Aug 26 02:24:57 LarrySteeze: You use a framework or devel each platform? Aug 26 02:24:59 then port the webapp to the various frameworks Aug 26 02:25:16 phonegap or titanium or something? Aug 26 02:25:22 no Aug 26 02:25:29 I'm intrigued by phonegap Aug 26 02:25:37 but I hadn't planned on using it Aug 26 02:25:50 do u offer very platform intensive apps? Aug 26 02:26:16 if not, you may want to consider a framework Aug 26 02:26:18 no, the most intensive it gets is querying remote databases Aug 26 02:26:30 then for sure check it out Aug 26 02:26:42 write once, deploy many.. Aug 26 02:26:57 phonegap lends itself well Aug 26 02:27:06 since it's sort of html/js/etc based Aug 26 02:27:24 then the platform api's are just black boxes you poke at.. Aug 26 02:28:10 where do I enter promo codes? Aug 26 02:28:26 akanster: click purchase Aug 26 02:28:36 then there is a spot for the code Aug 26 02:28:38 gotcha Aug 26 02:28:51 i'll research it a bit more deeply Aug 26 02:28:51 hadnt set up a credit card Aug 26 02:29:05 dont think u need one akanster Aug 26 02:29:17 checkout phonegap LarrySteeze Aug 26 02:29:27 most of our project is server intensive, light on the client Aug 26 02:29:35 their build platform might be fully baked by now. Aug 26 02:30:03 you submit your code to their server and it sends you the app for all the platforms you select Aug 26 02:30:12 webos, ios, android, crackberry, etc Aug 26 02:30:28 hmm Aug 26 02:30:39 hmm Aug 26 02:30:40 lists and stuff and ez pz stuff for phonegap Aug 26 02:31:35 write yourself a backend DBI in json/xml and u r on your way Aug 26 02:32:08 you have experience with phonegap? Aug 26 02:32:15 so is there something broken in the app submission process? have a beta catalog app 'published' but page does not appear to be there Aug 26 02:32:35 i was in their beta program Aug 26 02:33:01 brb Aug 26 02:33:25 phonegap to me seem the most "webos" like of the framework bunch. Aug 26 02:33:47 html/js/css source for phonegap Aug 26 02:34:42 if i were to roll out something new, thats what I would do these days. worry about my app and let someone else do the porting.. Aug 26 02:35:12 unless it's a game or platform intensive openGL , etc.. Aug 26 02:35:42 but, backend db and display query results? framework all the way.. Aug 26 02:36:06 and audubon fails to install once again. Aug 26 02:41:23 ok, the $50 is gone Aug 26 02:41:36 * haeffb supports small developers Aug 26 02:41:38 D: Aug 26 02:41:44 haeffb: LIKE ME!? Aug 26 02:41:53 yes, ones like you. Aug 26 02:41:58 not you, just ones like you Aug 26 02:42:02 go buy his camera app Aug 26 02:42:07 lols Aug 26 02:42:10 harsh Aug 26 02:42:27 do purchase stats update in real time? Aug 26 02:42:30 ok, I'll go buy kesne's camera app Aug 26 02:42:43 haeffb: Get the free ones Aug 26 02:42:45 garbs: No Aug 26 02:42:49 haeffb: I mean, the free one Aug 26 02:42:55 haeffb: I mean, use the coupon Aug 26 02:42:58 are you excited for tomorrow, kesne Aug 26 02:43:05 garbs: What do you mean? Aug 26 02:43:12 to see your download stats Aug 26 02:43:21 Oh Aug 26 02:43:24 Heh, yeah Aug 26 02:43:30 I've already sold about 5k Aug 26 02:43:40 nice, that's pretty impressive Aug 26 02:43:47 your app definitely appeals to just about everyone Aug 26 02:43:47 n Aug 26 02:43:51 no niche there* Aug 26 02:44:03 meh. I have a Canon Rebel Aug 26 02:44:13 don't need to take pix with my TouchPad Aug 26 02:44:15 lol Aug 26 02:44:22 try taking a front facing shot with that rebel Aug 26 02:44:30 *sigh* Another day gone by, another day my app hasn't been reviewed Aug 26 02:44:30 but I'll let Palm give kesne another $0.70 Aug 26 02:44:42 twbbas: yeah, something's broken Aug 26 02:44:50 My app submission date keeps moving up Aug 26 02:44:54 * haeffb submitted saturday Aug 26 02:44:54 they updated the catalog today Aug 26 02:44:56 same thing Aug 26 02:44:57 Keeps moving to today's date Aug 26 02:45:09 Good thing I haven't submitted lately Aug 26 02:45:16 garbs: they added a "retry" button Aug 26 02:45:20 so annoying because my update adds in in-app items :( Aug 26 02:45:25 is it possible to get any new webos device for extremally low price or everything is soldout:)? Aug 26 02:45:27 so, when the app cat fails you don't have to close and reopen Aug 26 02:45:32 finally Aug 26 02:45:35 that was so annoying Aug 26 02:45:35 which is a good thing tonight... :) Aug 26 02:45:48 yeah, the catalog seems to be getting hit hard? Aug 26 02:46:07 I still have $0.11 to spend and I can't get the cat to load anymore Aug 26 02:46:35 11 apps that sell for $x.99 Aug 26 02:46:55 PLEASE MAKE YOUR APPS AN EVEN MULTIPLE OF $1 Aug 26 02:47:00 thank you Aug 26 02:47:05 nou Aug 26 02:47:39 garbs: Well that $15 Birds app is like almost a gig (what my brother told me) and Palm is giving it away for free... so.... Aug 26 02:47:45 * haeffb will shoot anyone who says they'll spend $0.99 on an app, but not $1 Aug 26 02:47:49 ahh Aug 26 02:47:55 no interest in birds :( Aug 26 02:47:56 haeffb: heya, do you happen to have a code snippet somewhere showing the cancellation of an alarm in enyo? Aug 26 02:48:18 erm... Aug 26 02:48:19 a dollar is alot of money Aug 26 02:48:27 .99 is better.. Aug 26 02:48:33 pow! Aug 26 02:48:34 garbs: I used the promo code just to support the developer Aug 26 02:48:36 :) Aug 26 02:48:40 one down. next? Aug 26 02:48:47 good point, can I do that without downloading? Aug 26 02:48:55 garbs: Just cancel the download when it starts Aug 26 02:49:01 cool, will do Aug 26 02:49:13 Mine didn't download successfully anyways Aug 26 02:49:17 along with a few other apps Aug 26 02:49:21 Yeah it's 786MB Aug 26 02:49:23 just looked lol Aug 26 02:49:27 wow Aug 26 02:49:34 lots of birds I guess Aug 26 02:49:41 are they angry? Aug 26 02:49:43 Flashpass: looks like "no" is the correct answer Aug 26 02:49:44 im sure that keeps it loading faster than having to pull all that from the web Aug 26 02:49:46 don't look angry Aug 26 02:50:01 dude what's with the birds apps Aug 26 02:50:08 Bubble Birds and Audobon Birds don't install for me Aug 26 02:50:16 haeffb: hrm, would you mind glancing at mine and letting me know if you see why it might not be working? Aug 26 02:50:18 me either Aug 26 02:50:30 How much did Angry Birds pay Palm to make it so other bird apps don't work? Aug 26 02:50:36 lol Aug 26 02:50:37 * haeffb looks around the room... Aug 26 02:50:39 got angry birds but that wouldnt open Aug 26 02:50:43 don't see it. Aug 26 02:50:54 Sparkle HD is so fun and smooth Aug 26 02:50:59 no lag whatsoever Aug 26 02:51:22 ok I'm off Aug 26 02:51:24 goodnight #webos Aug 26 02:51:26 dayum, that bird app developer is going to make a fortune Aug 26 02:51:29 later Aug 26 02:51:30 ^ Aug 26 02:51:33 millions! Aug 26 02:51:36 ok cya Aug 26 02:51:55 :D Aug 26 02:52:08 * haeffb is going to raise the price of all my apps, just in case Palm selects one for a promo pack.. Aug 26 02:52:17 I think I've confused the app catalog Aug 26 02:52:21 pondNotes Deluxe. $99.99 Aug 26 02:52:32 d'lux eh? Aug 26 02:52:37 I went to enter a promo code and let the screen time out Aug 26 02:52:42 now it still says "Purchasing..." Aug 26 02:52:50 but I have no promo place to enter >.< Aug 26 02:52:55 how many people would download a $99.99 app if it was free? All of 'em! Aug 26 02:52:58 I want HP to use me in Pivot Aug 26 02:53:35 I want HP to reconsider the Touchpad Aug 26 02:54:13 "just some dude who isn't the kid developer anymore" Aug 26 02:54:27 kesne: or they'll just make their own camera app, apple style Aug 26 02:54:27 :P Aug 26 02:54:45 I just want them to commit to supporting the hardware that they have out there right now, and to not horribly half ass things going forward. Aug 26 02:54:46 So now that I have paid apps.. is there a good ssh client available? (or should I just stick with xecutah/openssh) Aug 26 02:54:52 garbs: If they do that, I will literally kill them. Aug 26 02:54:58 haha Aug 26 02:55:02 that's something apple would do Aug 26 02:55:08 take developer idea, integrate it Aug 26 02:55:09 It was HP's idea for me to make a camera app Aug 26 02:55:14 o rly? Aug 26 02:55:23 Yeah Aug 26 02:55:26 I was at a workshop Aug 26 02:55:30 I'm amazed it doesn't come with one by default Aug 26 02:55:30 ah Aug 26 02:55:34 And like 20 HP guys told me to do it Aug 26 02:55:43 Because I was the only guy who could figure out Enyo mediacapture Aug 26 02:56:00 every company should do that though. if outside devs come up with something awesome, buy it from them and make it stock Aug 26 02:56:18 sine0t: a lot do. Aug 26 02:56:23 i agree Aug 26 02:56:27 where do you think defrag and calculator came from in windows? Aug 26 02:56:55 they weren't originally developed by msft devs Aug 26 02:57:24 so is the app cat down for everyone? Aug 26 02:57:26 kesne: if there an api to the camera app? Aug 26 02:57:33 Bmyers: Yessir Aug 26 02:57:40 kesne: after they send you $100k from this promo pack, you'll be OK if they develop a camera app Aug 26 02:57:41 coolio.. where at? Aug 26 02:57:42 LarrySteeze: more need to, and it needs to not be seen as a negative to have a company do that Aug 26 02:57:55 haeffb: Well, that's true enough Aug 26 02:58:09 I'd be okay for that. Aug 26 02:58:15 If they gave me money Aug 26 02:58:20 Just don't steal it. Aug 26 02:58:52 seems like there are a quite a few successful devs in this channel Aug 26 02:59:15 garbs: nothing but winners here Aug 26 02:59:21 haeffb, well nvm think I found it...forgot to call call() on the alarm haha Aug 26 02:59:24 if by successful you mean their power and internet haven't been turned off yet then, yeah. Aug 26 02:59:45 ah...granola bras...a dev's best friend Aug 26 02:59:46 sugardave: winners and people who defected to android... Aug 26 02:59:51 err...bars, not bras **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 26 02:59:57 2011