**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 27 02:59:57 2011 Aug 27 03:03:55 c|oneman: I am using Titanium Studio rather than regular Eclipse Aug 27 03:04:57 but which part of the information are you wanting? Aug 27 03:05:40 I found the updated page: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/eclipse.html Aug 27 03:05:55 I'm wanting to setup eclipse so i can start making apps Aug 27 03:06:17 im following the instructions on the above link Aug 27 03:06:24 I'd still recommend Titanium Studio rather than Eclipse Aug 27 03:06:32 the plugins work the same way Aug 27 03:07:12 eclipse has busted javascript indenting that's painful Aug 27 03:07:58 ok Aug 27 03:08:03 anything else I should know? Aug 27 03:08:14 yay irc from touchpad this app should be for sale Aug 27 03:08:34 Freman: what u mean by busted Aug 27 03:08:40 and should have its own tabbed interface instead of the card intreface Aug 27 03:08:44 haeffb: how much better is titanium Aug 27 03:08:55 and would it be easy and painless to switch Aug 27 03:08:57 and is it free Aug 27 03:08:58 the web isnt exactly fully of webos development books Aug 27 03:09:03 ; ) lol lots of questions Aug 27 03:09:22 http://bugmenot.com/view/appcelerator.com Aug 27 03:09:30 c|oneman: no enyo stuff, but there's pretty much anything you want about mojo u can find Aug 27 03:10:00 c|oneman: that's what #webos is for Aug 27 03:10:30 and that Aug 27 03:11:32 free, somewhat better Aug 27 03:11:36 painless Aug 27 03:11:50 I can't wait to learn enough to really develop something instead of just do speed teaks Aug 27 03:11:54 i'll have to check it out Aug 27 03:11:55 on ubuntu, at least. Not sure how difficult it would be on Windows Aug 27 03:12:03 eclipse can be a PAIN sometimes. (sometimes) Aug 27 03:12:06 you can install both Aug 27 03:12:17 TItanium Studio IS eclipse Aug 27 03:12:26 but a better version Aug 27 03:12:35 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Aug 27 03:12:43 sounds awesome Aug 27 03:12:48 it's based on eclipse/aptana Aug 27 03:12:55 my two favorite things Aug 27 03:13:08 great, even the dev tools have fragmentation ;) Aug 27 03:13:53 sublime2 Aug 27 03:13:57 nice editor Aug 27 03:15:03 * haeffb relies on javascript validation. sugardave writes valid code without help Aug 27 03:15:18 I use the errors :P Aug 27 03:15:41 i like things that are highlited Aug 27 03:15:45 because i am blind Aug 27 03:15:56 big fonts, and highlighted Aug 27 03:15:59 =D Aug 27 03:16:15 titanium studio has themes Aug 27 03:16:35 fxspec06: Why'd you suspend the promo codes? Aug 27 03:16:44 because Aug 27 03:16:52 derek is going to do an app giveaway Aug 27 03:17:02 on precentral Aug 27 03:17:23 are there new 6-pack codes available yet? Aug 27 03:17:25 and they weren't being used anyways. -.- two days, they should be gone Aug 27 03:17:32 oh hey Aug 27 03:17:43 9 UK out of 100? yeah forget it Aug 27 03:17:57 fxspec06: Heh, well okay Aug 27 03:18:08 lol Aug 27 03:18:32 i'll get teh word out on P|C, and maybe he'll review it as well Aug 27 03:18:55 rwhitby: ping Aug 27 03:18:58 i believe it deserves to be reviewed in depth, moreso than clearview Aug 27 03:19:06 but what the hell do i know Aug 27 03:19:10 argh, all those HP promo codes are used? Aug 27 03:20:08 maik: yeah, I spent all of my $50 promo code on other stuff so I could get the 6-pack, then found the codes were all used :( Aug 27 03:20:39 ok I guess the app crashes some Aug 27 03:21:21 and Audubon Trees continues to fail to install Aug 27 03:21:51 good wallpaper site go Aug 27 03:22:01 kinda lame that pc said the codes would be valid until the 31st, but you can't expect HP to pay for the tens of thousands of downloads they'd undoubtedly get Aug 27 03:22:04 oh man quake is in the prepare cat.. I am never going to get work done Aug 27 03:22:13 *preware Aug 27 03:22:35 jake Aug 27 03:22:37 maik: WOR says Palm will update the codes "soon" Aug 27 03:22:40 interfacelift.com Aug 27 03:22:51 wor? Aug 27 03:22:58 webosroundup Aug 27 03:23:56 yeah i just didn't know if there was a better one Aug 27 03:23:56 waiting on that 6pack to get aussie codes Aug 27 03:24:04 there was this really sweet flash website that has badass wallpapers Aug 27 03:24:05 oh cool Aug 27 03:26:16 is there a different video app that plays mp4s? Aug 27 03:26:47 mp4s should play... Aug 27 03:26:59 er, x264 Aug 27 03:27:10 it seems them but won't play them Aug 27 03:27:14 sees Aug 27 03:28:23 maik: that should play, too, but has to be profile level 3 (whatever that means) Aug 27 03:29:03 I have about two hundred video files and it won't play any of them Aug 27 03:29:10 well whatever I have won't play and I'm not about to reencode them all Aug 27 03:29:23 haha win, the touchpad has VI on it ;) Aug 27 03:29:29 hell yeah Aug 27 03:29:30 underneath it all Aug 27 03:29:33 of course Aug 27 03:29:40 is rod asleep? Aug 27 03:29:41 well fark, my *router* has VI on it. Aug 27 03:29:44 it even has ls! Aug 27 03:29:58 sugardave: though it doesn't do ls -al color=auto Aug 27 03:30:03 no Aug 27 03:30:11 I'll have to recompile it with that :p Aug 27 03:30:24 er, crosscompile. eww. Aug 27 03:30:34 screw that.. Aug 27 03:30:40 cross compiling is a pain Aug 27 03:30:41 * Shadyman1 downloads busybox source to his touchpad and compiles natively Aug 27 03:31:24 yeah, a dual core 1.5 gigahertz using -O3 should be able to compile pretty quick Aug 27 03:31:27 gentoo is where it's at Aug 27 03:31:55 If anyone's curious.. http://erroraccessdenied.com/node/1690 Aug 27 03:32:06 that's my preliminary poke around into the touchpad Aug 27 03:32:10 does gentoo do arm? Aug 27 03:32:53 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-arm.xml Aug 27 03:33:13 eh, i just want to compile the odd command here and there Aug 27 03:33:29 I wonder if madwifi compiles under busybox... Aug 27 03:33:38 er, ath5k? Aug 27 03:34:31 ooh, look like it does Aug 27 03:34:33 :) Aug 27 03:34:36 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-arm.xml Aug 27 03:34:46 Heh. Aug 27 03:34:56 * Shadyman1 points up 7 comments Aug 27 03:35:17 any way to get GCC onto the touchpad? should i look into busybox for that? Aug 27 03:35:30 Shadyman1, did you see that drobbins has it working? Aug 27 03:35:32 wonder if nettrom or redboot will work on hp touchpad Aug 27 03:35:36 full gentoo install Aug 27 03:35:36 :) Aug 27 03:35:49 as a chroot for now :D Aug 27 03:35:53 heh Aug 27 03:36:03 I'm checking out: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-arm.xml?part=1&chap=10 Aug 27 03:36:44 well, we should be able to use our own bootloader on weos-internal's site Aug 27 03:37:03 chroot would be more practical though Aug 27 03:37:09 less danger Aug 27 03:37:23 oh good, my borderlands dlc's are done downloading Aug 27 03:37:26 peace Aug 27 03:37:51 any answer guys? even a "nope, no way" would be nice :( Aug 27 03:38:35 idk what GCC is Aug 27 03:38:45 ParadoxQuine, Optware has that Aug 27 03:38:48 fair enough :P Aug 27 03:38:55 yeah check the optware Aug 27 03:39:04 if i don't know what it is, it's usually in optware lol Aug 27 03:39:10 heh Aug 27 03:39:20 really? i did ipkg install gcc and it couldnt find it, do i need to add a new repo? Aug 27 03:39:40 ParadoxQuine, look at the wiki for Optware. Aug 27 03:39:46 wow these birds lay supereggs Aug 27 03:39:54 and i hate conway twitty Aug 27 03:40:01 wat Aug 27 03:40:21 lol conway twitty. family guy Aug 27 03:40:24 Weird. wifi goes over eth0 Aug 27 03:40:32 ka6sox: thanks very much, I'll read their wiki page in case i can get it there Aug 27 03:40:34 isn't eth0 a local? Aug 27 03:40:39 lo is Aug 27 03:40:47 loopback, that is Aug 27 03:41:14 ParadoxQuine: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Cross_Compiling Aug 27 03:41:17 is that what you need? Aug 27 03:42:06 i hope not. i'd rather compile natively on the touchpad itself than crosscompile on my machine, though i'm no systems guru Aug 27 03:42:15 ^ Aug 27 03:42:50 idk i just googled gcc webos Aug 27 03:42:51 lol Aug 27 03:42:56 thought it might help :) Aug 27 03:43:16 haha, good try :P Aug 27 03:44:00 doesn't TIDE do that too? Aug 27 03:44:11 i know someone said they compiled something on the touchpad using TIDE and something Aug 27 03:44:12 TIDE? Aug 27 03:44:15 I don't think TIDE does any compiling Aug 27 03:44:23 Touchpad IDE Aug 27 03:44:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Tide Aug 27 03:44:37 Hmm. WifiInterfaceName=eth0; WanInterfaceName=ppp0 Aug 27 03:44:45 available on a Touchpad with Preware near you :) Aug 27 03:44:47 i know you can compile some how Aug 27 03:44:59 /etc/palm/luna.conf is full of juicy settings :D Aug 27 03:45:07 I think you need the chroot/optware to do it Aug 27 03:45:20 but I don't know for sure Aug 27 03:46:11 Ooh, list of apps to launch at boot and apps to keepalive >:D Aug 27 03:46:23 oops Aug 27 03:47:03 Hmm. DemoMode=false. Ruh oh. Aug 27 03:48:52 that's good? Aug 27 03:49:04 that means that it isn't in demo mode I would think lol Aug 27 03:49:15 i would think that's a good thing...unless you were hoping for a brick Aug 27 03:49:19 :D Aug 27 03:49:41 I'd imagine it means that the demo units only need a setting disabled to be un-demo'd Aug 27 03:49:43 lol Aug 27 03:49:44 * Shadyman1 whistles. Aug 27 03:50:02 you can only change that if you have TIDE/Internalz/Novaterm close :) Aug 27 03:50:22 well, that and the permanent "DEMO UNIT NOT FOR RESALE" sticker on the back.. Aug 27 03:50:35 anyone know where I add my comp's publickey so ssh will work? Aug 27 03:50:35 anyone get hulu hack to work on stock kernel, mine freezes after first ad, works fine on the eagle kernel Aug 27 03:50:45 mine works on stock kernel Aug 27 03:51:06 i did the sed command to replace it with WIN 10 and hulu works. works as in plays video, not works as in "is watchable" :P Aug 27 03:51:07 I thought hulu killed the TP's browser? Aug 27 03:51:16 you can change flash's useragent Aug 27 03:51:21 ParadoxQuine, I *know* it can be done. Aug 27 03:51:22 cool Aug 27 03:51:24 it has been done. Aug 27 03:51:41 sorry, which has been done? Aug 27 03:52:20 gcc on a TP Aug 27 03:53:43 is there a patch for that ? like the old spoof agent patch Aug 27 03:56:06 Bahahaha, best binary name ever.. "AtomicParsley" Aug 27 03:56:50 wow Aug 27 03:56:55 someone tried to rip off kesne Aug 27 03:57:01 by making a free camera Aug 27 03:57:03 app Aug 27 03:57:05 and it sucks Aug 27 03:57:09 =) Aug 27 03:57:16 * Shadyman1 shrugs Aug 27 03:57:22 wowwww Aug 27 03:57:27 Making a camera app isn't hard. Making one that doesn't suck takes a bit more Aug 27 03:57:27 ripping off your own friend Aug 27 03:57:38 fxspec06: what's the name? Aug 27 03:57:48 oh wow it been out since august 16, i just never saws it Aug 27 03:57:54 digicamera lite: still life Aug 27 03:58:00 (terrible name) Aug 27 03:58:03 ah Aug 27 03:58:03 lolololol Aug 27 03:58:12 what a name for an app Aug 27 03:58:12 was wondering if it was another one Aug 27 03:58:15 * PatrickC_TP whistles Aug 27 03:58:20 guys Aug 27 03:58:28 i'm gonna add a "post on myspace" button on webosworld Aug 27 03:58:30 good or bad? Aug 27 03:58:31 :P Aug 27 03:58:36 good! Aug 27 03:58:40 lol myspace Aug 27 03:58:43 baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad Aug 27 03:58:47 dude Aug 27 03:58:51 MySpace? lol Aug 27 03:58:52 myspace was in like 10 yrs ago Aug 27 03:58:57 umm.. who uses that anymore lol Aug 27 03:59:01 actually i should make the webos world facebook page Aug 27 03:59:02 LOL Aug 27 03:59:09 with all 7 of its viewers Aug 27 03:59:17 lol Aug 27 03:59:20 wildn facebook page has like 5 likes Aug 27 03:59:24 So any consensus on how to grow a VirtualList to fit its container? Aug 27 03:59:26 total Aug 27 03:59:31 including myself Aug 27 03:59:55 vflex Aug 27 04:00:11 but VirtualList needs a set height to show up Aug 27 04:00:25 otherwise it's all WTF? Aug 27 04:00:26 height:100% Aug 27 04:00:39 Doesn't work Aug 27 04:00:45 the app cat running slow for anyone else? Aug 27 04:00:47 css Aug 27 04:00:51 protip: flex: 1, Aug 27 04:00:53 lol Aug 27 04:00:57 lol Aug 27 04:01:00 Jake_M: I swear, if that fixes it... Aug 27 04:01:03 if it looks fucked up Aug 27 04:01:04 haha Aug 27 04:01:05 we think new promo codes will come tomorrow? Aug 27 04:01:05 or doesn't work Aug 27 04:01:07 add flex: 1, Aug 27 04:01:08 i promise Aug 27 04:01:14 i learned that when making the webos world hd app Aug 27 04:01:33 Pretty sure Iv'e tried it, but at this point i'll try anything :p Aug 27 04:01:38 (that still isn't out yet) Aug 27 04:02:00 Jake_M: I want the webOS world hd app! Aug 27 04:02:13 PatrickC_TP: it's not ready yet Aug 27 04:02:22 it'll be featured "in the coming months Aug 27 04:02:53 lol Aug 27 04:02:59 Jake_M: hurry up! Aug 27 04:03:00 when i actually feel like opening eclipse and not getting pissed off Aug 27 04:03:00 :) Aug 27 04:03:17 lol Aug 27 04:03:18 PatrickC_TP, patience grasshopper. Aug 27 04:03:24 why use eclipse? Aug 27 04:04:49 hope someone comes out with a useragent change patch soon : D Aug 27 04:05:15 hey does everyone else find desktop version google docs runs too slow on tp to use? Aug 27 04:05:17 oh man rod just made my day Aug 27 04:05:17 lol Aug 27 04:05:25 how? Aug 27 04:06:40 he's cool like that Aug 27 04:06:53 rwhitby is amazing Aug 27 04:08:03 anyone else ever have an issue OTA'ing to 3.0.2? Aug 27 04:08:06 ParadoxQuine: you and me both Aug 27 04:08:13 it finishes downloading for me, and then just stops Aug 27 04:08:17 and I have to re-download it again Aug 27 04:11:22 PatrickC_TP: its always been that way. its just bugged. gotta keep doing it over and over until it downloads in full Aug 27 04:11:36 wow Aug 27 04:11:41 I'm just gonna doctor Aug 27 04:11:50 it didn't do that on my other 4 devices Aug 27 04:12:42 hehehe, your other 4... I just want one more... a 32gb Aug 27 04:13:13 well, I had 6 at one time :) Aug 27 04:13:21 now I'm down to 4 Aug 27 04:13:35 want to be down to 3? Aug 27 04:14:00 I wish I could.. but only *1* is mine :/ Aug 27 04:14:12 the rest are other members of the families Aug 27 04:14:18 gotcha Aug 27 04:14:38 will you have the opportunity to get more? Aug 27 04:14:46 possibly Aug 27 04:14:54 I'm watching, but unsuccessful so far Aug 27 04:15:03 Hmm. If I load images into items in VirtualLists, do I need to do anything to make it resize or refresh its sizing? Aug 27 04:15:25 HattCzech_to: you already have a tp? Aug 27 04:15:27 I scroll down to the bottom, and it bounces down past what appears to be about the combined height that the pictures added Aug 27 04:15:37 HattCzech_tp * Aug 27 04:16:02 guys my roommate is looking for an app that you can like..draw with and save images...like note taking but drawing Aug 27 04:16:05 touchpad Aug 27 04:16:14 any like that? i don't know very many of the touchpad apps :| Aug 27 04:16:23 yeah, I'm on my 16gb tp... I want a 32gb and I'm going to sell this one to a friend Aug 27 04:16:36 Jake_M: NuttyBunny is working on one Aug 27 04:17:23 roger that Aug 27 04:17:27 Jake_M: i have one for you Aug 27 04:17:39 LoneStar99: Drops? Aug 27 04:18:02 Jake_M: oh, he wants a drawing one? NuttyBunny's is for notes Aug 27 04:18:08 but could be used for drawing I guess Aug 27 04:18:44 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=in.bobc.dr.tp Aug 27 04:18:45 jake m: just draw is flinstone simple but it works... Aug 27 04:18:45 like Aug 27 04:18:46 drawing notes Aug 27 04:18:47 lol Aug 27 04:19:22 thanks guys <3 Aug 27 04:19:30 Jake_M: like hand writing notes? that's what NuttyBunny's app will do Aug 27 04:19:59 for all of you who missed the recent post on the HP developer blog: http://webosworld.com/2011/08/26/hp-wants-to-listen-and-learn-2/ Aug 27 04:20:44 Jake_M: you can draw notes they are also instantaly viewable via any brower (recommend) safari or chrome Aug 27 04:20:46 I still can't believe that HP released a statement that said the popularity of the $99 touchpad showed interest in webOS Aug 27 04:20:59 thanks Aug 27 04:21:22 I guess you tell the investors what they want to hear, but the firesale only proved that people don't want $400-500 tablets, they want $100-250 tablets Aug 27 04:21:31 That thread is awesom, but I don't know where to start.... Aug 27 04:21:49 buy it and if you do not honestly like it will paypal your money back. Aug 27 04:26:20 between a webos bug, eclipse bugs, and learning all this stuff with many tabs open... it's taken me 4 hours to do... nothing Aug 27 04:27:49 Freman: welcome to the world of coding =) Aug 27 04:27:57 one of us Aug 27 04:28:01 one of us Aug 27 04:28:29 once had a bug that took me 24 hrs to find, turned out to be a 1 black pixel Aug 27 04:28:31 usually I load up my editor, bang out 4000 lines of code, go have lunch while the test suite runs Aug 27 04:29:01 damn 4000 lines would take me days Aug 27 04:29:33 maybe weeks LOL Aug 27 04:30:05 it's in perl, so it's really only one line :D Aug 27 04:30:39 hmmm wonder if I can use node.js to work around my bug... seems a bit harsh to write a whole service to find out if the basic auth failed... Aug 27 04:34:17 Jake_M: I shoved it in a VFlexBox and flex:1'd it :P Win. Aug 27 04:35:02 If it works and it shouldn't, use //. If it should work and doesn't, use flex: 1 Aug 27 04:36:02 omg guys what should i do? my 2nd core isn't running! i switch to govnah but it maxes, but as soon as i minimize my card ti stops runing?!@ omg i'm so afraid that my touchpad isn't working proberly >>< Aug 27 04:36:26 Step 1: Ritalin Aug 27 04:36:43 Step 2: ??? Aug 27 04:36:48 Step 3: PROFIT! Aug 27 04:37:27 alright folks i am out, need to wake up at 6am Aug 27 04:37:30 laters Aug 27 04:37:33 nite Aug 27 04:37:35 later lonestar Aug 27 04:37:47 hmm. does kind: "Image" cache images for your session? Or does it grab them new every time? Aug 27 04:38:30 every new instance it grabs it Aug 27 04:38:35 every time you request it Aug 27 04:38:42 you can grab it and hide it, then show it later Aug 27 04:39:03 Just weighing my options. Aug 27 04:39:07 or put it in a variable and call that Aug 27 04:39:11 Shadyman1: NICE Aug 27 04:39:18 i told you man Aug 27 04:39:22 flex: 1, is where it's at Aug 27 04:39:23 anyone have issues starting the webosdoctor.jnlp ? Aug 27 04:39:30 oh flex 1 works? Aug 27 04:39:34 Yeh Aug 27 04:39:36 Go figure. Aug 27 04:39:38 fxspec06: I believe that govnah automatically shuts off the second core when not needed Aug 27 04:39:39 sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Aug 27 04:39:46 I had to put it in a vflexbox though Aug 27 04:39:48 PatrickC_TP: but but but but btu Aug 27 04:39:48 hemna: I've never had a .jnlp Aug 27 04:39:57 i want both MAXED!?@#%$?$# LIKE wtf Aug 27 04:39:57 fxspec06: what? Aug 27 04:40:04 i have 3 posts and i don't know anything Aug 27 04:40:09 and my 2nd core is broken Aug 27 04:40:12 ="( Aug 27 04:40:18 the download webosdoctor link on the hpwebos.com/Profile page sucks down a jnlp file Aug 27 04:40:27 Right now I've got 6 VirtualLists, each one's items have images. Was just wondering if consolidating > reloading images every time Aug 27 04:40:34 why do you want both maxed? that'll kill batery life Aug 27 04:40:36 I'm leaning towards Yes. Aug 27 04:40:38 battery* Aug 27 04:41:04 fxspec06: if you are concerned, talk to the guys in #webos-internals Aug 27 04:41:08 i don't care! i'm an angry n00b who doesn't understand anything about anything and think that i know better than people who know things Aug 27 04:41:54 whargarbl Aug 27 04:42:11 brb Aug 27 04:42:17 PatrickC_TP Aug 27 04:42:27 you can't tell that i'm joking Aug 27 04:42:28 seriously Aug 27 04:42:30 http://pastebin.com/QCX90Lax Aug 27 04:42:33 don't go talking to ppl plz Aug 27 04:42:38 that's my exception starting the webosdoctor Aug 27 04:42:40 >.> Aug 27 04:42:43 lol Aug 27 04:42:47 like wow Aug 27 04:42:54 fxspec06: The kid gloves were on. Aug 27 04:43:32 fxspec06: after the last thing about being an angry n00b... I figured it out haha Aug 27 04:43:45 Shadyman1 Aug 27 04:43:59 haha Aug 27 04:44:00 create an image variable at app launch for every image Aug 27 04:44:11 then whenever you generate a virtual list Aug 27 04:44:32 copy the variable Aug 27 04:44:39 it'll be faster than loading from the disc Aug 27 04:44:43 disk* Aug 27 04:45:07 not sure I follow Aug 27 04:45:21 you can store images.. in variables? Aug 27 04:45:23 var myImage = new Image(); Aug 27 04:45:29 oo Aug 27 04:45:35 myImage.src = "images/myawesomeimage.png"; Aug 27 04:46:07 yeah you can store images in variables lol Aug 27 04:46:13 you can store anything in variables Aug 27 04:46:22 you can store a whole app in a string if you like Aug 27 04:46:23 And then listImage = myImage? or how would that reference go? Aug 27 04:46:29 True Aug 27 04:46:37 lol that'd be pointless Aug 27 04:46:39 mp3 files as BLOBs yay Aug 27 04:47:26 hmm idk, i'd have to think more but it's late Aug 27 04:48:30 where are you guys getting webosdoctor? Aug 27 04:48:44 idk the enyo image kind, but you can try for src just to put variable name Aug 27 04:48:49 might work Aug 27 04:48:56 maybe Aug 27 04:49:04 it quite literally takes <1s though to get the images for one list.. i'm talking 75x75px images or so Aug 27 04:49:04 if not i'm sure you can find it on stackoverflow Aug 27 04:49:05 or google Aug 27 04:49:06 I get mine from the webOS internals site Aug 27 04:49:33 you can google "javascript image caching' Aug 27 04:49:40 see if there's any open source scripts Aug 27 04:49:40 just that if you switch back and forth between lists, i'd rather have it not have to re-download Aug 27 04:49:42 kk Aug 27 04:49:48 i'll add that to the TODO list. Aug 27 04:49:50 thanks Aug 27 04:49:50 there's a bunch of things u can do Aug 27 04:49:51 lol Aug 27 04:49:59 but yeah i think i'm off to the sack Aug 27 04:50:04 getting that time Aug 27 04:50:06 later Aug 27 04:50:45 gl Aug 27 04:50:58 ditto Aug 27 04:50:59 ty Aug 27 04:51:25 PatrickC_TP, thnx Aug 27 04:51:28 the jnlp doesn't work Aug 27 04:55:42 Hrm. You know what would be a nice gesture to the community? If any remaining Touchpads were sold off to existing webOS device owners. One TouchPad per device serial. Aug 27 04:58:54 * PatrickC_TP has about 7 webOS phones Aug 27 04:58:58 and 4 touchpad Aug 27 04:59:02 touchpads* Aug 27 05:01:02 I wish I had more webos devices... being able to touch things together to make things happen... that's sexy Aug 27 05:04:14 http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/new-app-idea.777/ Aug 27 05:06:57 * [Author] touches Freman Aug 27 05:07:58 * Freman makes things happen Aug 27 05:09:10 I've got 4 webOS phones. Aug 27 05:09:38 I'm mainly thinking of the people who a. already have a phone and b. couldn't get a firesale touchpad. Aug 27 05:09:50 got success from setPreferences... ok so it thinks it saved the preference... why is it missing next time I launch it :( Aug 27 05:11:24 21:52 < Hendikins> Hrm. You know what would be a nice gesture to the community? If any remaining Touchpads were sold off to existing webOS device owners. One TouchPad per device serial. Aug 27 05:11:33 ... but a lot of us already have them Aug 27 05:11:40 so that would just put them on the market again Aug 27 05:11:51 at higher prices Aug 27 05:11:59 dwc-: ...and a lot don't. Exclude devices with a TouchPad on the same profile. Aug 27 05:12:23 you all rock Aug 27 05:12:26 And lets face it, a lot will just end up on fleabay regardless. Aug 27 05:13:29 that's true Aug 27 05:13:55 hemna: how big is your jnlp file? Aug 27 05:14:07 * dwc- guesses from the message that it's 0 bytes Aug 27 05:14:55 Apparently some Australian HN stores didn't sell their demo units, but now have authorisation from HP to do it. I know a couple of people trying to snap those up. Aug 27 05:15:27 Hendikins: Uh, wow. They must have been live units, then. Up here ours run demo software that you can't nuke Aug 27 05:16:48 Here's a question. Could you nuke that by doctoring it? Aug 27 05:16:48 Shadyman1: you can always find some way to nuke it.. I'm sure? :) Aug 27 05:16:57 up here they all have to be RMA'd. Aug 27 05:17:08 well yes, but that's out of the average joe customer's ability Aug 27 05:17:27 the store should docor it before selling it Aug 27 05:17:28 doctor* Aug 27 05:17:53 I can't imagine the stores are set up for that, though :p Aug 27 05:18:35 they're taking back everything under RMA, I'd imagine they're either going to doctor it and remove the permanent sticker on the back and resell as refurbished, or use them for 'refurbished' parts for warranty repairs Aug 27 05:18:47 all hey need is a computer with java -.- Aug 27 05:19:07 And to know what they're doing. Aug 27 05:19:24 Hendikins: they just have to run a .jar file Aug 27 05:19:27 PatrickC_TP: and to get the serial # unblacklisted so it could log into a proifle? Aug 27 05:19:52 dwc-: does HP actually blacklist the s/n? Aug 27 05:19:57 apparently so Aug 27 05:19:57 dwc-: Word is that the serial numbers of the AU demo units were unblacklisted. Aug 27 05:20:07 it makes sense... Aug 27 05:20:16 otherwise people could accidentally leave themselves logged in on a demo unit Aug 27 05:20:32 and then this way you can hardcode some stuff Aug 27 05:20:39 iirc, the apps on there are not part of the default install :) Aug 27 05:20:48 (default end-user install) Aug 27 05:24:05 well, I'm off to bed Aug 27 05:24:07 night all Aug 27 05:28:17 yay, so I've built an app that knows if it has a stored set of credentials and pulls a basic service request... now I need to make multiple service requests and store the resulting data for an hour as a cache (to prevent further requests)... what's the easiest way to store data on this thing? Aug 27 05:28:32 I'm pondering fetching as text, saving then loading from the fs Aug 27 05:28:52 hi all, I'm trying to use novacom and keep getting "failed to connect to server" Aug 27 05:29:02 I know I have the settings right and dev mode is on Aug 27 05:29:34 I'm on Mac OS X 10.7. what am I doing wrong? Aug 27 05:29:36 balrog, what are you trying to do? Aug 27 05:29:49 novaterm? or novacom? Aug 27 05:29:49 log in to a novaterm shell on the touchpad Aug 27 05:29:53 well either or Aug 27 05:29:55 neither works Aug 27 05:30:21 balrog, there is an issue with it...are you signed up with Palm as a dev? Aug 27 05:30:30 you mean free dev? Aug 27 05:30:41 if so the forums have info on how to fix that. Aug 27 05:30:44 umm I can sign up ... I really just got my touchpad. Aug 27 05:30:53 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/db-service.html <- not super useful... Aug 27 05:30:56 I plan on doing some dev with it, time permitting :) Aug 27 05:31:28 balrog, look there. Aug 27 05:31:52 all right. Aug 27 05:32:55 any particular place on the forums? Aug 27 05:34:20 I can't seem to find this :/ Aug 27 05:35:01 novaterm -l doesn't work either. Aug 27 05:35:20 balrog, google is your friend :D Aug 27 05:35:35 I did that :/ Aug 27 05:35:43 otherwise I wouldn't be here. Aug 27 05:35:48 interesting Aug 27 05:35:56 * balrog does more searching anyway Aug 27 05:36:00 I thought chuqui posted the fix Aug 27 05:38:38 well I'm not having all that much luck Aug 27 05:38:43 or so it seems. Aug 27 05:39:33 I really hate it when I see a fix in IRC but nobody bothers to put it in a non-transtient place for people to find. Aug 27 05:39:54 :( Aug 27 05:40:08 anybody using wirc? Aug 27 05:40:11 that's the problem with IRC, and why people at one project I work with don't like it. Aug 27 05:40:17 use/using Aug 27 05:41:28 I'm not even sure if it's not a Mac-side issue *sigh* Aug 27 05:41:42 seems there is a "fix" but its in Early Access :( Aug 27 05:42:06 and not everyone can get Early Access? Aug 27 05:42:27 so, previously when I've made this app I've just dumped some values to disk and re-downloaded them when the disk version was more than an hour old... no simple way to do that here is there... Aug 27 05:42:30 that sucks, since I pretty much can't use this touchpad for dev *at* *all* Aug 27 05:42:37 balrog, look here: Aug 27 05:42:42 opensource.palm.com Aug 27 05:42:48 in the downloads section Aug 27 05:42:58 novacom was there. Aug 27 05:43:07 download novacom-mac and compile it? Aug 27 05:43:51 I think its a binary iirc. Aug 27 05:44:04 yeah seems so Aug 27 05:44:17 forgot they pulled those out Aug 27 05:45:08 anyone here familiar with the email API? Aug 27 05:45:20 probably would be better to ask at -internals Aug 27 05:45:33 that package hasn't seemed to help Aug 27 05:46:00 balrog, this is a case where you *might* need to reboot...(awful as that seems) Aug 27 05:46:10 reboot my Mac? Aug 27 05:46:11 there might be a kext with it. Aug 27 05:46:18 iirc there is a kext with it. Aug 27 05:46:21 I don't see one, but maybe Aug 27 05:46:24 * balrog runs kextstat Aug 27 05:46:38 it appears to use com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice Aug 27 05:46:47 jaf0, -internals won't know that one as its a Palm App Aug 27 05:47:14 figured that. Aug 27 05:47:16 jaf0: vaguely... but not that well Aug 27 05:47:36 ahh, ok Aug 27 05:48:05 hmmms should probably store the password with the keymanager Aug 27 05:48:22 balrog, it is a simple problem of a rename iirc Aug 27 05:48:46 ka6sox: I know the old version of novaterm has a badly named launchdaemon plist Aug 27 05:48:49 but if nobody posted it I'll probably spend a while searching thru irclogs. Aug 27 05:48:59 SDK 3.0.2 appears to have fixed that Aug 27 05:49:01 balrog, yes, that is the issue Aug 27 05:49:03 is this what you're referring to? Aug 27 05:49:23 dwc: method: launch Aug 27 05:49:24 yes, that was what people were saying..but was that a 10.6 issue or 10.7? Aug 27 05:49:33 10.7. apparently they tightened security. Aug 27 05:49:40 webOS 3.0.2 fixes it Aug 27 05:49:51 what I'm having now is just a hard failure to connect Aug 27 05:49:54 will reboot though Aug 27 05:49:55 brb Aug 27 05:49:56 jaf0: what about it? Aug 27 05:50:24 is there a different method to automatically send a (support) email or is that disabled for anti-spam measures? Aug 27 05:51:57 I'm not aware of one, but I would strongly reconsider sending automatic emails from your users without so much as a confirmation in the app where they can see what is sent Aug 27 05:52:46 well, it's a dialog that they can enter their message ... Aug 27 05:52:59 and then hit send (and close) to mail it... Aug 27 05:53:12 I would launch the email app and just prefill the to/subject/text Aug 27 05:53:28 that's how it is right now... Aug 27 05:53:38 * jaf0 was trying to save the victim a step. Aug 27 05:56:49 hah. hp touchpad 4g. coming soon. Aug 27 05:56:53 * dwc- somehow doubts that Aug 27 05:57:25 reboot, no better :( Aug 27 05:57:44 balrog, ask again in the forums if you have added yourslef. Aug 27 05:57:51 novacom -l ... it seems to try and then "failed to connect to server" Aug 27 05:58:28 admittedly I do not use Lion (resisting)...but chuqui said it works Aug 27 05:58:42 now that might have been an EA release Aug 27 05:58:42 does he ever show up on IRC? Aug 27 05:58:50 weekdays Aug 27 05:58:51 true :/ Aug 27 05:58:51 but yse Aug 27 05:58:52 okay. Aug 27 05:59:00 he will be here. Aug 27 05:59:14 well if I don't figure it out, I'll ask him Aug 27 05:59:24 balrog, Good Plan Aug 27 05:59:29 balrog: name rings a bell - have we collaborated before? Aug 27 05:59:48 rwhitby: umm maybe, if you go by a different name somewhere? Aug 27 05:59:56 nope, rwhitby everywhere Aug 27 05:59:58 I'm mainly involved in emulation stuff Aug 27 06:00:06 and I've dabbled with adium support among other things Aug 27 06:00:09 nslu2-linux, openwrt, openmoko, webos-internals Aug 27 06:00:22 sheevaplug? Aug 27 06:00:30 only via optware Aug 27 06:00:32 (it is similar to nslu2-linux) Aug 27 06:00:34 ahh Aug 27 06:00:38 probably on the old optware channel Aug 27 06:00:46 that'd be it then Aug 27 06:00:54 when I was trying to run optware on my old hard drive shell with 16MB of RAM Aug 27 06:00:59 I've since upgraded to a sheevaplug Aug 27 06:01:07 kept getting OOMs ;) Aug 27 06:01:07 balrog: optware is available for the touchpad too Aug 27 06:01:18 yeah, I see. Aug 27 06:01:28 not gonna do me any good if novaterm don't work. Aug 27 06:03:05 balrog: for lion, get the latest SDK Aug 27 06:03:25 is what I've heard. I haven't updated yet. Aug 27 06:04:14 anyone have any suggestions for a good rss reader (touchpad)? Aug 27 06:04:17 I have the latest sdk. Aug 27 06:04:32 version: novacom-21 it reports Aug 27 06:04:36 ffolkes, the only RSS feed stuff I use is the stuff built into glimpse Aug 27 06:06:13 rwhitby: yeah I have the right version Aug 27 06:06:50 hmm Aug 27 06:06:56 where does one find glimpse? its not in the app store Aug 27 06:07:22 it is Aug 27 06:07:32 I just got it last night Aug 27 06:07:49 hmm Aug 27 06:08:04 im searching for "glimpse" and all that comes up is 20000 leagues under the sea and a finland book Aug 27 06:08:35 ffolkes, where are you? Aug 27 06:08:45 in my room Aug 27 06:08:45 jk Aug 27 06:08:48 usa Aug 27 06:08:55 you are right Aug 27 06:09:01 that's all I'm getting on my search now too Aug 27 06:09:02 did they pull it? Aug 27 06:09:06 guess so. Aug 27 06:09:08 let's see Aug 27 06:09:08 any idea what's the utun0 network interface that shows up? Aug 27 06:09:25 ha. Aug 27 06:09:27 balrog, tun/tap interface Aug 27 06:09:28 localhost is busted Aug 27 06:09:54 I'd be more inclined to blame the catalog for being borked, but let me pull up the page... Aug 27 06:09:54 ka6sox: do you have a Mac? Aug 27 06:09:58 yes Aug 27 06:10:00 can you tell me what's in your /etc/hosts file? Aug 27 06:10:04 ka6sox / everyone else.. the app store seemed -really- screwed up tonight Aug 27 06:10:08 I think mine is missing the localhost line Aug 27 06:10:20 EricBlade, i noticed that too Aug 27 06:10:23 i keep getting errors Aug 27 06:10:31 on "recommended" i was only pulling up a single app, and all searches failed.. got tons of "retry" boxes Aug 27 06:10:39 127.0.0.1 localhost Aug 27 06:10:39 255.255.255.255 broadcasthost Aug 27 06:10:39 ::1 localhost Aug 27 06:10:39 fe80::1%lo0 localhost Aug 27 06:10:51 well, clicking on the html page I made last night Aug 27 06:11:05 boht v4 and v6 Aug 27 06:11:05 yeah thanks Aug 27 06:11:05 I get an expired (expected) and then an action could not be completed. try again later. Aug 27 06:11:08 sooo... Aug 27 06:11:10 * dwc- blames the appcat Aug 27 06:11:12 I'm missing the first line! Aug 27 06:11:17 d0h! Aug 27 06:11:34 sed -i -e 1d /etc/hosts? Aug 27 06:12:06 no idea, something removed it :( Aug 27 06:12:27 anyway thanks for putting up with me Aug 27 06:12:45 greeeeeeat Aug 27 06:13:04 quick office can't open the file I just spent 10 minutes getting to the touch pad :( Aug 27 06:14:08 balrog, stupid Q Aug 27 06:14:15 did you put your TP into devmode? Aug 27 06:14:35 yeah I did Aug 27 06:14:52 turns out my /etc/hosts was messed up and therefore localhost would not resolve to 127.0.0.1 Aug 27 06:16:39 ka6sox: I'm probably the only one who has bizarre issues like this. lol Aug 27 06:16:52 is there an app repo with patches for the browser? Aug 27 06:17:28 balrog, probably not.... Aug 27 06:17:42 tolland, do you have preware? Aug 27 06:17:45 (installed) Aug 27 06:20:51 Heh, apparently HN Albury won't sell their demo claiming it is stuck in Italian. Aug 27 06:21:14 aren't demos unusable because you can't create a WebOS account on them, or is that bad information? Aug 27 06:21:58 hmm. interesting. i just noticed my clock on my touchpad is 10 minutes off Aug 27 06:24:27 tell them you speak italian Aug 27 06:24:40 so you'll take it off their hands for an extra $10 off Aug 27 06:25:36 I've suggested mate in Albury does that, or more plausibly, says a relative does. Aug 27 06:30:19 i got nothing to do with my tablet :T Aug 27 06:30:24 there really isn't much apps for it Aug 27 06:31:15 write some ;) Aug 27 06:31:45 what's the best IRC client though? Aug 27 06:31:52 think wirc from homebrew Aug 27 06:32:13 okay. do I need to run fstab fixer? Aug 27 06:32:22 seems no Aug 27 06:32:23 t Aug 27 06:32:26 its the only client I think :P Aug 27 06:32:39 okay. Aug 27 06:32:46 seems it's open source too. Aug 27 06:32:57 can I do something like enyo.WebService.password = 'defaultpassword' and have it used for all webservice requests? Aug 27 06:34:07 still no SASL support ;( Aug 27 06:35:56 think it's mainly the big name apps you don't see, without some bigger developers joining in Aug 27 06:36:30 kind of makes it hmm Aug 27 06:37:18 any type of apps from google is non-existent, makes me think that means they will never join in Aug 27 07:11:44 Google only cares about Android and iOS. Aug 27 07:12:01 I've had that stated (off the record) from a couple of sources within. Aug 27 07:12:22 balrog: yeah I was dissapointed. Aug 27 07:12:33 balrog: I'm sure irssi will be usable in a termal soon. Aug 27 07:12:42 of course that's all they care about, that's where the numbers are. Aug 27 07:13:43 also if you use a bnc you won't be able to see any of your channels with wirc until you /join them Aug 27 07:14:44 irssi-proxy is nice... Aug 27 07:15:04 PsWii60: its can't fjoin... oh wait right I heard it doesn't liek force joins Aug 27 07:15:32 ya u gotta type /join #channel to get the card to pop up Aug 27 07:15:37 it's one card per channel Aug 27 07:16:35 odd. seems like wirc would just respond to the JOIN even if it didn't initiate Aug 27 07:17:21 dunno if cards are the best way for an irc client Aug 27 07:17:23 * PsWii60 shrugs Aug 27 07:18:44 yeah tabs would probably be betetr :\ Aug 27 07:18:53 maybe cards per network. Aug 27 07:19:10 yeah, cleaner / more logical that way Aug 27 07:19:21 or let the user figure it out Aug 27 07:19:37 but I'm gonna have to say at this point Aug 27 07:19:41 wirc doesn't work with bnc's Aug 27 07:19:49 flawlessly, to say the least Aug 27 07:21:07 huh. skimming the src, it seems like it should work Aug 27 07:21:25 maybe one of these days when I get around to running a proxy for my wirc, I'll be bothered enough to look at it Aug 27 07:22:04 yeah, dunno.. Aug 27 07:22:15 For those who have played with the Debian chroot, does dbus work properly? Aug 27 07:31:08 Hendikins: dunno, only just testing it now for the first time Aug 27 07:33:24 hahahaha oh man.. HP is the ones that ported android to their own tablets and shipped em Aug 27 07:33:29 http://pastebin.com/QPsHtHYi Aug 27 07:33:52 an email from my friend from qualcom Aug 27 07:34:40 so someone on the inside did it Aug 27 07:34:51 strange Aug 27 07:36:45 maybe a disgruntled employee Aug 27 07:36:56 or a simple mistake Aug 27 07:38:46 rwhitby: Ditto Aug 27 07:38:49 Ironsight: it's neither of those things Aug 27 07:39:42 Ironsight: from the file listing of the dumped image, it's obvious that the image is a manufacturing test program harness Aug 27 07:40:04 used for each and every single touchpad produced on the factory production line Aug 27 07:47:15 So being in the wild is simply poor quality control? Aug 27 07:47:36 when your doing a fire sale of a million devices, some mistakes are gonna be made Aug 27 07:47:58 even five nines quality will produce the two that we've seen Aug 27 07:48:38 there probably have been some before, but never got reported in the press cause HP wasn't selling them at $99 Aug 27 07:51:05 some punter would have got it and said "this doesn't work" and returned it to the ship Aug 27 07:51:06 if I extend the a kind do I need to republish it's "published" properties? Aug 27 07:59:44 ~seen error454 Aug 27 07:59:53 woops, wrong channel Aug 27 08:07:18 rwhitby, makes sense Aug 27 08:09:55 Ironsight: the "Production Test Tool" app you can see in the video is a dead giveaway Aug 27 08:11:57 so hello again Aug 27 08:13:43 which vnc viewer is thef astest on the tp? Aug 27 08:13:47 xtihgt or Aug 27 08:14:00 and what is a good music player Aug 27 08:14:00 if it starts with vnc, its not fast Aug 27 08:14:16 is there a smiliar thing that i could control windows pc? Aug 27 08:14:22 maybe not via pixel Aug 27 08:20:02 ?? Aug 27 08:20:54 I think if you were to do "vnc" via just xserver routing, it would work better to a linux computer Aug 27 08:21:21 what do they call that... connecting 1 device to another's xserver Aug 27 08:23:25 like so... Aug 27 08:23:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jCespaoYcc Aug 27 08:23:46 yeah, synergy Aug 27 08:24:02 it's in the WIDK. compile it up and use it. Aug 27 08:24:25 cool stuf Aug 27 08:24:28 stuff* Aug 27 08:24:35 god I hate this keyboard Aug 27 08:30:00 goddamn Aug 27 08:30:00 okay Aug 27 08:30:01 hi Aug 27 08:30:03 everybody Aug 27 08:37:45 Ironsight : but this applciation is jsut running on windows Aug 27 08:38:08 just saying, vlc runs like crap Aug 27 08:38:16 teamviewer runs like crap Aug 27 08:38:36 it's made basically to help your braindead buddy fix his computer from 100 miles away Aug 27 08:38:50 not run decent apps Aug 27 08:39:12 or as at&t uses it for, to spy on their employees Aug 27 08:41:11 this thing seems to be running the same request half a dozen times :( Aug 27 08:41:24 * Freman boots wireshark to confirm the debug logs Aug 27 08:44:24 yep... it is Aug 27 08:46:45 so Aug 27 08:47:26 question is why... I only call this.$.serviceListing.call() once Aug 27 08:48:59 hmmm delete the app from the emulator then run again and it's fine Aug 27 09:38:26 o Aug 27 09:38:30 yo Aug 27 09:44:25 whatever happened to microsoft 'inviting' webos developers to developer for windows mobile? Aug 27 09:46:20 they invited :) Aug 27 09:46:42 not looked into it too much further but I get the impression the deal wasnt 'that' good Aug 27 09:46:50 but thats just from tweets Aug 27 09:47:29 you are correct Aug 27 09:48:31 didnt they want a £99 subscription plus app submission before getting test devices or something? Aug 27 10:31:29 wow this is awesome.. Aug 27 10:31:41 the doctor fails to download the same as the OTA update Aug 27 11:22:05 dawm, which doctor? Aug 27 11:39:17 TP Aug 27 11:39:28 it just finished hto, but i started it at like 500 Aug 27 11:40:17 and for the record Aug 27 11:40:21 even tho it doesnt say its charging Aug 27 11:40:27 my TP is charging off my laptops USB Aug 27 11:41:32 yeah charging from a usb is slow but works Aug 27 11:41:50 well, it kind of works Aug 27 11:41:58 it will charge off USB while the screen is off Aug 27 11:42:04 very slowly Aug 27 11:42:21 and you should try charging your phone off the TP wall charger... charges super fast Aug 27 11:43:45 neat thing, is i've got a little usb-battery thing that came with my cell phone, that can also power up the tp. it doesn't provide near enough juice to charge it, but it will generally maintain Aug 27 11:44:24 oh i know about the wall charger Aug 27 11:44:31 but im doctoring Aug 27 11:45:10 hi Aug 27 11:45:47 sucks tho Aug 27 11:45:54 ive got tons of Pre wall chargers Aug 27 11:47:11 yesterday I had success booting webos 3.0 on my pc.. now the question is... can I make the mouse pointer appear...? Aug 27 11:48:10 no Aug 27 11:49:07 I was asking because I used the emulator image... and in the emulator there is a pointer. Aug 27 11:50:02 ok Aug 27 11:50:13 no Aug 27 11:50:19 heh Aug 27 11:50:21 in the emulator you're running it in windows Aug 27 11:50:22 how do i turn off webos recommending me to add a new search everytime i visit a site with a search Aug 27 11:50:28 the cursor is not in the emulator Aug 27 11:50:35 its in windows over the emulator window Aug 27 12:03:27 im kind of surprised at these companies that sell like screen protectors and cases Aug 27 12:03:42 they have over 30 employees and all that etc. lol Aug 27 12:04:07 i guess that works when you're selling some piece of film for 30 dollars Aug 27 12:05:14 one of them is even listed on nasdaq Aug 27 12:07:29 dawm|laptop are you sure the cursor is not part of the emulator... it really seems hp/webos style Aug 27 12:12:28 how can i test if the light sensor is broken? Aug 27 12:13:15 strange Aug 27 12:13:18 hotdp, laungh the Device Information app Aug 27 12:13:28 in it's app menu there is a diagnostics section Aug 27 12:13:34 i cant get one of my google hosted emails to work on the tp, all my other accts (google hosted and gmail) work tho Aug 27 12:13:37 says unknown error Aug 27 12:13:45 it will run through a bungh of tests... one of them is the ALS (Ambient Light Sensor) Aug 27 12:14:35 cryptk is it quick test? Aug 27 12:15:17 when poepl call i can not hear them and they not me, and when i take it up to the ear the screen does not get black :( Aug 27 12:15:51 did you use a headset? Aug 27 12:16:19 no it has been conencted to my tp but my bluetooth is oss Aug 27 12:16:22 off* Aug 27 12:16:30 it works fine when i take it on speaker Aug 27 12:16:37 hotdp, that would be the proximity sensor then Aug 27 12:16:39 not the light sensor Aug 27 12:16:50 and it only takes a couple of minutes to run through the whole thing Aug 27 12:18:46 proximity works fine in the test :S Aug 27 12:19:42 hmm the screen does not get darker in the light sensor test :S Aug 27 12:20:00 its my dev nyc phone i guess there is no way it can get fixed :( Aug 27 12:30:45 hmm progress bar is too wide... do I wrap it in a box.... or attempt to apply margins - it's already ignoring padding Aug 27 12:31:17 in a mojo app Aug 27 12:31:21 how do i disable autorotation Aug 27 12:31:55 upper right rocner Aug 27 12:31:56 corner Aug 27 12:32:00 pull that menu down Aug 27 12:32:02 lol Aug 27 12:32:02 rotation lock Aug 27 12:32:03 no, in the app specifically Aug 27 12:32:15 you cant for an app Aug 27 12:32:18 well that blows Aug 27 12:32:29 http://i.imgur.com/7Ghb3.jpg looks good that way.. not so much rotated Aug 27 12:32:47 let pandora know they need to fix it Aug 27 12:32:57 com.palm.webos.ipkbuilder.PackageBuilderException: java.io.IOException: file "C:\Users\Shannon\AppData\Local\Temp\net.fremnet.nodeusage_1.0.0_all.ipk" could not be deleted Aug 27 12:33:01 that... that is annoying Aug 27 12:33:05 dawm|laptop: i'm editing it myself Aug 27 12:33:17 pandora is still old Aug 27 12:33:30 make a patch Aug 27 12:33:36 so everyone can enjoy it Aug 27 12:33:49 it requires a little bit of fuckary with the images too Aug 27 12:33:59 and a few bugs / needs a few back buttons Aug 27 12:34:09 and i disabled ads so i probably shouldn't Aug 27 12:34:47 lesson learned - don't attempt to change the height of a progress bar by setting height in css... Aug 27 12:35:18 we cant change the bookmark thumbnail on the tp? Aug 27 12:41:53 wait what Aug 27 12:41:56 there's a pandora app? Aug 27 12:47:56 yes Aug 27 12:55:25 hah Aug 27 12:55:42 patrick will be happy to hear ailium works on the TP Aug 27 12:55:48 altho barely uses the scree Aug 27 12:59:36 and the TP has the power to run my canvas app at full speed wo/ lag Aug 27 12:59:38 ;D Aug 27 13:01:04 what is alium? Aug 27 13:04:33 a game i had to shelf Aug 27 13:05:00 started making it as a PDK game, but i dont know c++ so i was learning as i went Aug 27 13:05:07 then just forgot about it Aug 27 13:05:46 it was pretty much all done in the js/canvas version Aug 27 13:05:57 just too slow on the pre and audio latency was horrid Aug 27 13:20:21 I don't suppose enyo provides any built in method of parsing date formats - I've found enyo.g11n.DateFormat but that seems to be all about formatting dates with no-option to parse Aug 27 13:20:40 sorry enyo.g11n.DateFmt Aug 27 13:20:40 FYI: The problem was dust in the jack connector Aug 27 13:32:47 could someone point me in the right direction, i'm trying to mount the ext3fs partition at boot up. Aug 27 13:32:56 i type echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab Aug 27 13:33:05 followed by mount -a Aug 27 13:33:18 and i get the error- mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on ext3 failed: No such file or directory Aug 27 13:33:25 did you try #webos-internals? Aug 27 13:33:37 or are you gonna bounce from all the webos related channels pasting the same stuff Aug 27 13:33:50 its their guide, id ask them Aug 27 13:34:00 * rwhitby guesses Inky_ never actually created an ext3fs partition Aug 27 13:34:17 and yes, #webos-internals, not here. Aug 27 13:35:03 cheers, sorry long long time since i've used irc, wasn't sure where i should be Aug 27 13:42:24 Freman: you could try http://www.datejs.com/ Aug 27 13:47:28 ok, so, i'm finally busting into trying to wrap my head around developing an app. just for a test, i'm trying to build something that will log me into google. seemed simple. oops. i'm getting an error back "Origin file:// is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin" .. what do I need to research to get around this, so I can get into it from my local file? Aug 27 13:47:42 researching that specific error is not coming up very helpful Aug 27 13:52:12 did palm fix the app cat 6 pack yet Aug 27 13:55:14 EricBlade: You have to pass certain flags to chrome assuming that's what you're using Aug 27 13:56:04 --allow-file-access-from-files --disable-web-security Aug 27 13:59:09 woot, thank you rrix, i'd read that option on two different sites, and they both said "THIS DOES NOT WORK IN WINDOWS" .. doh Aug 27 13:59:51 heh Aug 27 13:59:55 I take it they worked/ lol Aug 27 14:01:51 yeah. i already had allow file access, had to add disable web sec Aug 27 14:05:10 now just to figure out why it is that i'm getting a 403 instead of a login auth, and considering that this may be why other people implement 6 pages of code for something that appears to take about 3 lines Aug 27 14:14:43 rwhitby: you know anything about the custom application code thing? Aug 27 14:16:23 ok... that's enough of this for tonight Aug 27 14:16:33 night all Aug 27 14:21:01 hmm. i must be a special kind of retard to not understand this Aug 27 14:23:00 # The 'EnableFitWidth' parameter lets us control the default behavior of ScrollView. Aug 27 14:23:55 private browsing too Aug 27 14:34:15 ok, that's it, i'm pretty sure i am functionally retarded Aug 27 14:45:22 YAY i finally got it. 3 hrs later. Aug 27 14:45:44 "NOTE: You can not create an image file in /media/cryptofs larger than 2GB." is this still true? Aug 27 14:47:51 hi Aug 27 14:49:58 is there a way to edit webos config files to make a cursor appear while it's running on a pc? I noticed there is a cursor while using the emulator but not while booting it on a pc.. I think because it thinks it's a touchpad Aug 27 14:50:47 pipposanta: look at the code they use to emulate the pointer device for vbox Aug 27 14:51:05 or how its configured Aug 27 14:51:12 you probably jsut need to configure x11 Aug 27 14:51:21 jrabbit: yes - 2GB limit Aug 27 14:51:23 jrabbit I searched it for a while... could you point me to it? Aug 27 14:52:51 /etc/x11 Aug 27 14:53:36 jrabbit there is no /etc/x11 Aug 27 14:54:06 I donno Aug 27 14:54:09 jrabbit I think it's all based on luna Aug 27 14:54:15 running webos on bare better on x86 sounds silly Aug 27 14:54:38 pipposanta: why don't you instead copy off the crud and run it in a working linux Aug 27 14:54:40 ok now how the hell do i dtermine what came back from the server ... sigh Aug 27 14:55:14 jrabbit I think in this way I can achieve a faster booting os Aug 27 14:55:21 lol. Aug 27 14:57:38 any other with an idea on how to solve? :-) Aug 27 14:58:44 hi webos Aug 27 14:59:12 anyone have any experience putting a VirtualList in a toaster or popup? Aug 27 14:59:34 I have a virtual list that'll render and display fine in a pane but just doesn't appear if it is in a toaster or popup Aug 27 14:59:50 I tried setting lazy to false for the toaster or popup and it didn't help Aug 27 15:00:45 zylogz80: can you check the HTML in chrome to see if it's being rendered? Is it a flex: 1 issue? Aug 27 15:01:41 haeffb, I'm developing on my touchpad - I've had weird occurrences with a lack of flex specified before. lemme start throwing it in random places Aug 27 15:01:57 haeffb, I'm developing on my touchpad - I've had weird occurrences with a lack of flex specified before. lemme start throwing it in random places Aug 27 15:02:05 haeffb could I ask you a question? Aug 27 15:02:50 no! Aug 27 15:02:53 well...OK> Aug 27 15:03:51 good lord I HATE non-typed languages Aug 27 15:04:17 especially when there doesn't seem to be a way to actually list the components of any particular variable Aug 27 15:04:40 EricBlade: ? Aug 27 15:04:48 haeffb since I would like to release to the community the work I did with booting webos 3.0 to pc.. but I would like to release it in a usable way.. Is there a way to display a cursor in web os? Aug 27 15:05:20 haeffb: javascript. i hate it. A LOT. trying to figure out what a specific variable contains is apparently impossible Aug 27 15:05:41 pipposanta: 1) I do not know. 2) That's probably a better question for #webos-internals. Aug 27 15:06:03 EricBlade: it's entirely possible Aug 27 15:06:06 haeffb webos-internals is not for hardware? Aug 27 15:06:26 no, that would be #touchpad-internals or something. Aug 27 15:06:37 webos-internals is for the internals of the OS Aug 27 15:06:51 haeffb ok, never imagined... thanks very much! Aug 27 15:06:59 EricBlade: what is your development environment? Aug 27 15:07:04 Chrome? Aug 27 15:07:08 haeffb: you have my undivided attention :) probably learning a language and a platform simultaneously is not a good idea, but here i am anyway. yes, Chrome. Aug 27 15:07:25 and you have the developer tools open in chrome? Aug 27 15:07:33 ctrl-shift-J ? Aug 27 15:07:41 enyo-wirc in the testing feeds yet? Aug 27 15:08:02 ctrl-shift-I Aug 27 15:08:22 but the console is where you need to look... Aug 27 15:08:30 use this.log(myVariable); Aug 27 15:08:34 they appear to do the same thing Aug 27 15:08:48 pipposanta: as i told you earlier Aug 27 15:08:51 webos is a touch OS Aug 27 15:08:56 no mouse cursor Aug 27 15:09:05 and you're work booting on a pc? Aug 27 15:09:11 you flashed the image to a drive.. Aug 27 15:09:13 congrats Aug 27 15:09:30 haeffb: ok, apparently my var is an array. now, how do i figure out what's contained within it? Aug 27 15:09:31 get a touchscreen monitor and be happy Aug 27 15:10:23 what does the console show? Aug 27 15:10:40 TypeError -> arguments: Array[2] .. oh, there's a -> arrow next to that. maybe i can click on that Aug 27 15:11:08 haeffb, had to put the VirtualList in a fadeScroller. The fadeScroller had to have a width explicitly specified via css and had to have flex 1. Aug 27 15:11:12 hmm. that just gives me "log" and a "DOMWindow" object Aug 27 15:11:59 EricBlade: this.log("Tags in updateTags:", inEvent.tags); Aug 27 15:12:07 pondNotes.updateTags(): Tags in updateTags: ["Quotes", "four", "one", "party", "reallylongtagherethatgoesonforever", "three", "two", "wildlife"] Aug 27 15:12:30 that's what the console shows me when I log a variable that's an array Aug 27 15:12:53 but what you showed is not the output of this.log() Aug 27 15:12:53 haeffb: hmm. Aug 27 15:13:05 it's the output of an error Aug 27 15:13:36 ah Aug 27 15:13:48 ok i have no this.log() then Aug 27 15:14:09 you want to pastebin some code for us to look at? Aug 27 15:16:42 sure thing. it's just a modified version of step 3-4 of the enyo tutorial on the dev site, modified to login to google instead of get RSS feeds. http://pastebin.com/gBspvH1y Aug 27 15:16:52 i'm trying to figure out what is coming back to the LoginReceived function Aug 27 15:17:47 haha Aug 27 15:18:06 #touchpad might as well be called #webos_vs_droid Aug 27 15:20:42 EricBlade: you can log it out in case of json with: console.log(enyo.json.stringify(response)); Aug 27 15:21:30 leiru: "undefined" "undefined" Aug 27 15:22:25 also with just inResponse? --> console.log(enyo.json.stringify(inResponse)); Aug 27 15:22:33 without that .query Aug 27 15:22:34 this.log(inSender, inResponse); Aug 27 15:23:25 then the console should show something like enyo.Instance with an arrow you can click to see details Aug 27 15:23:42 haeffb: wow. nice. Aug 27 15:24:01 * haeffb <3's this.log Aug 27 15:24:06 and Chrome Aug 27 15:24:25 i was always using console.log and stringify. Aug 27 15:24:36 thats a lot shorter and more comfortable Aug 27 15:25:11 oops sure yeah one sec Aug 27 15:25:25 i guess i followed the example too closely there :D Aug 27 15:27:52 uh... it looks like it barfed random letters and numbers Aug 27 15:28:31 hah Aug 27 15:28:43 saying hello can start a riot in #touchpad Aug 27 15:28:45 haeffb: got titanium Aug 27 15:28:59 ok, looks like it's returning text. that is not at all what i was expecting. Aug 27 15:29:00 thank god the apanta library includes the word "this" Aug 27 15:29:16 i had a version in eclipse that didn't recognize this Aug 27 15:29:22 and kept changing it to thistory Aug 27 15:29:23 so... anyone know what's new in the app catalog update? Aug 27 15:29:28 whenever i typed this. Aug 27 15:29:46 RMind: i'm guessing it either works now, or it's utterly broken now. Aug 27 15:30:25 I don't see a difference yet Aug 27 15:30:40 ok, so, since apparently i'm getting back a bunch of text, how do i get that parsed back into an object i can understand? Aug 27 15:31:42 fxspec06_: my titanium keeps doing thistory :( Aug 27 15:32:11 it's fixed in the NEXT apanta update Aug 27 15:32:16 3.5 Aug 27 15:32:19 but it's not out yet Aug 27 15:32:23 so i'm not updating apanta Aug 27 15:32:42 i can't find the apanta beta site Aug 27 15:32:54 ok, how many total n00bs have come through here in the last week? Aug 27 15:33:09 how they could ever realease a version that changes this. to thistory. is beyond my belief Aug 27 15:33:13 kriebz: i account for at least a dozen of them myself Aug 27 15:33:23 this. has got to be the most used phrase in JS Aug 27 15:33:27 ah, there's a #touchpad, too Aug 27 15:34:07 kriebz: last count was 173 Aug 27 15:34:28 fxspec06_: dumb Aug 27 15:34:43 I didn't realize that it started after my last update Aug 27 15:34:58 but that makes sense Aug 27 15:35:34 3.0.4 Aug 27 15:35:57 EricBlade: what kind of text? Aug 27 15:36:21 3.0.5 was scheduled for friday Aug 27 15:36:26 but i don't know what happened to it Aug 27 15:36:27 haeffb: it's a google login auth key and some other stuff that i don't know what it's used for Aug 27 15:36:53 is it JSON? Aug 27 15:37:12 is there an issue with the Enyo version of wirc? it sits on a spinner for me Aug 27 15:37:18 wish the facebook app would save my feed preference like the phone facebook app Aug 27 15:37:46 I wish the facebook app would hide the stupid game updates that I have turned off in the web app. Aug 27 15:37:52 facebook app is useless for me Aug 27 15:38:05 also Aug 27 15:38:09 haeffb: umm.. i'm not smart enough to know the answer to that yet. Aug 27 15:38:13 the ability to load more 'stories' Aug 27 15:38:24 you hit the bototm of the list and thats it.. no more Aug 27 15:38:49 the facebook app feels very unfinished Aug 27 15:38:49 when you log inResponse, does it show something like {googleAuth: "some string", otherStuff: "other string"} Aug 27 15:39:10 no, it's just straight text no obvious formatting except a newline after each field Aug 27 15:39:52 is it a error message? Aug 27 15:40:05 no it's the authorization keys Aug 27 15:40:16 pastebin with the keys XXXXXX'd Aug 27 15:40:50 or not, if you want us to all login to your google account Aug 27 15:41:07 it's just SID=blahblah \n LSID=blahblah \n Auth=blahblah \n Aug 27 15:41:15 as i remember google auth right, you send your account details and get a token. then you can make further req. with that token Aug 27 15:42:00 exactly, and me being a total javascript noob, i'm not quite getting how to parse that into something i can use Aug 27 15:43:08 in PHP, it would be $_POST['Auth'] Aug 27 15:43:11 hmm.. i remember darkly i used regexp once. Aug 27 15:43:42 you could use string.split('/n'); Aug 27 15:43:43 not sure if its the perfect way Aug 27 15:44:02 to get an array of each of the substrings. Aug 27 15:44:59 then indexOf("=") to find where to use substr() or substring() Aug 27 15:45:01 http://w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_obj_string.asp Aug 27 15:45:17 or regexp if you want to spend the rest of the day figuring it out Aug 27 15:45:58 * haeffb installing an ad-free Accuweather on wife's TouchPad Aug 27 15:48:26 i wonder, as i am not affected by the big explosion of app downloads for the touchpad just in case of the paid ones, if my ipk is floating around the net Aug 27 15:48:29 hmmm Aug 27 15:48:55 haeffb: did your downloads multiplied alot? Aug 27 15:49:23 leiru: hard to tell, really. They haven't exploded. Aug 27 15:49:41 but I don't think my app appeals to the "get a cheap tablet" crowd Aug 27 15:49:49 I think the big explosion mainly happened with free apps Aug 27 15:50:09 and the ones in the 6-pack !!! Aug 27 15:50:30 My user base for my free game doubled by Sunday and then doubled again by Thursday Aug 27 15:50:45 twbbas: nice Aug 27 15:50:57 It's because most people that bought a cheap tablet don't want to pay for apps lol Aug 27 15:52:46 I've spent about 15gbp on apps for my pre3 Aug 27 15:54:09 haeffb: WHERE U GET AD FREE ACCUWEATHER Aug 27 15:54:17 i simply haven't found anything useful app wise Aug 27 15:54:32 * fxspec06_ has Aug 27 15:55:09 I'd still like to get Enyo wirc working Aug 27 15:55:41 oopsie Aug 27 15:57:24 you should talk to the people developing it Aug 27 15:59:17 fxspec06_: added // to a certain line Aug 27 15:59:34 sweet, now i've finally made my login box work. there goes 5 hrs. :D Aug 27 15:59:54 now to figure out how to get my login box to go away and have something useful come up Aug 27 16:00:35 directhex: it's open-source and I'm sure oil, PuffTheMagic, et al. would welcome some assistance Aug 27 16:05:46 haeffb: do you have a designer or are you doing graphics too? Aug 27 16:06:31 I don't "have" a designer. I've had a couple of friends do stuff for me in the past, but have also done some of my own Aug 27 16:08:34 i'm asking myself how i could motivate my one after the mite.touch flop and the hp announcement. Aug 27 16:09:29 haeffb: my friends often do icons for my oss on webos - but for a really styled app i would have to give % of earnings Aug 27 16:09:29 * haeffb doesn't have much motivation until we hear of new hardware Aug 27 16:10:13 haeffb: me too, but this waiting and doing nothing in my spare time is so boring Aug 27 16:15:55 hm, maybe i try a webapp with backbone.js ... but my amazement remains limited. Aug 27 16:17:05 could write me a blog in rails. Aug 27 16:17:16 i would call it: "the angry webOS nerd" Aug 27 16:17:19 :) Aug 27 16:19:17 =( Aug 27 16:19:23 * fxspec06_ just had post removed at precentral Aug 27 16:19:29 Look, "bro", I don't like the way you talk to people here, and neither me or anyone else wants to read any posts with the word "bro" in it. This isn't a "bro" or "bra" site, nor is it a place to have long troll posts. Please refrain in the future from using said words, especially when referring to people who actually give a damn. Thanks so much kind sir, -fx Aug 27 16:21:04 i try to make the site better, but i never help =( Aug 27 16:21:54 look, bro. Aug 27 16:22:08 woohoo! over 2,000 downloads! I expected like 50! Aug 27 16:22:12 skype sucks on the TouchPad. Aug 27 16:24:09 rails? you should use node.js and run it on your phone Aug 27 16:26:18 sugardave! :) Aug 27 16:35:50 grrr...Amazon didn't notify me before charging for Prime. Aug 27 16:42:05 woo Aug 27 16:45:50 guess I have a year to finish Pushing Daisies now Aug 27 16:48:55 if it's barely renewed you might be able to get them to cancel it early Aug 27 16:49:30 but, my friends have mentioned that they got a warning before their amazon student prime expired Aug 27 16:51:17 ok, so the google api docs, say that you have to send the auth key back to them every time you ask for something. but they don't specify -how- heh Aug 27 16:52:35 which google service? Aug 27 16:53:26 ultimately, trying to get to Voice, but i can't get to any of them at the moment Aug 27 16:53:48 i get my auth key, and then everything else i try just forwards me back to the main sign on if i try to GET it, or 403 Forbidden if I try to POST it Aug 27 16:54:11 you send it as a parameter in the get/post request Aug 27 16:54:59 var parms{authkey: thekey,...}; this.$.webservice.call(parms); Aug 27 16:55:01 is the pattern Aug 27 16:55:03 in Enyo Aug 27 16:55:19 but you need to know what authkey parm actually IS to send the right one Aug 27 16:56:23 leiru: heya, I downloaded Froscon and took a look, nice job :D Aug 27 16:57:10 so, i send it as authkey=RHGRFGH88dfgh.. Aug 27 16:57:11 ? Aug 27 16:57:31 mornin' Aug 27 16:58:04 EricBlade: but you need to know what they expect the name/property of the key to be...it may not be authkey, that was just an example Aug 27 16:58:34 that's the problem :-S Aug 27 16:59:05 they API stuff should be documented enough to let you know what parms to send to it :S Aug 27 16:59:32 i have another client that sends it in as a RequestHeader "GoogleLogin auth="+key .. the docs just say that you have to send it with every request Aug 27 16:59:54 auth is probably the name of the parm, then (guessing) Aug 27 17:01:29 EricBlade: so you can probably do something like modify the header every time you send a request or just make sure you have it in your own parms/request string Aug 27 17:02:01 Tibfib_: I sent you an email as promised Aug 27 17:03:56 sugardave: driving me nuts. argh. i've got the key, i've tried sending it back as every possible thing i can think of, leaning towards "Auth=" which is how I received it to begin with, and still just getting Forbidden Aug 27 17:06:42 does webos css not take % for resizing images? Aug 27 17:07:15 EricBlade: well, once you figure it out...document it at webos101.com if you would :D Aug 27 17:07:53 sugardave: well i definitely will post it somewhere. i just don't even know how to go about debugging this. Aug 27 17:08:19 are you using authsub or clientlogin or ... ? Aug 27 17:08:46 clientlogin Aug 27 17:12:11 try an http header Authorization Aug 27 17:12:29 value GoogleLogin auth=RHGR... Aug 27 17:12:45 how do i set that with enyo? Aug 27 17:13:19 dunno, I've never done enyo :p Aug 27 17:13:51 you can drive xhr directly with enyo.xhr() Aug 27 17:14:22 if you look in the API docs in dom/xhr.js Aug 27 17:15:00 but, I would say Aug 27 17:15:21 try making an API call with that auth header outside of enyo and see Aug 27 17:15:58 then at least we'll know if you're barking up the wrong tree still Aug 27 17:17:49 * EricBlade is sort of a retard that doesn't know how to do this in any kind of javascript, with or without enyo .. i can do it in php though Aug 27 17:19:26 well, try it in php Aug 27 17:19:58 I'm not a web dev either, so I'd be looking it up too Aug 27 17:25:54 hmm. well, i've managed to, i think, send the call via xhrPost(), still getting 403 Aug 27 17:26:09 chrome won't tell me what the outgoing headers were though so i am not positive i'm correctly doing that Aug 27 17:26:37 HOLY CRAP i got in. Aug 27 17:26:42 * EricBlade dances Aug 27 17:26:52 so... what was the answer? Aug 27 17:27:05 i used enyo.xhrGet() Aug 27 17:27:19 with the Authorization: GoogleLogin auth=FJGHFG header Aug 27 17:27:42 seems like it should work for a post then too, on a valid post url anyways Aug 27 17:28:16 now, to figure out how to actually do this in enyo Aug 27 17:30:29 enyo.xhrGet() sounds like you're doing it in Enyo :P Aug 27 17:31:19 yeah but using the webservice encapsulation Aug 27 17:32:13 set the headers property? Aug 27 17:32:18 hi Aug 27 17:32:26 headers: null Aug 27 17:32:26 Optional additional request headers as a JS object, e.g. { "X-My-Header": "My Value", "Mood": "Happy" }, or null. Aug 27 17:34:51 yea i just found that, trying Aug 27 17:37:36 * EricBlade DANCES A JIG Aug 27 17:37:56 thank you everyone for helping me become a little less retarded Aug 27 17:38:07 I have following problem: on webOS 2.1 I get SDL events for GPS updates. That does not work on 2.2 anymore ... Aug 27 17:38:08 the first one is free Aug 27 17:38:34 where there changes in the PDK api? Aug 27 17:38:40 is there a full-screen terminal app I can download and install via Preware on my TouchPad? Aug 27 17:39:01 noradtux: potentially...I don't know PDK at all, unfortunately Aug 27 17:39:19 * dwc- notes he has no access to a 2.2 sdk Aug 27 17:39:38 oh, hrm...puppies! Aug 27 17:39:48 where?! Aug 27 17:40:13 * dwc- gets distracted and wanders off Aug 27 17:41:27 yay. touchpad dock shipped Aug 27 17:42:00 Scheduled For Early Delivery On: Tuesday, 08/30/2011, By End of Day Aug 27 17:42:03 Originally Scheduled For Delivery On: Wednesday, 08/31/2011, By End of Day Aug 27 17:42:09 and it's even showing up early? Aug 27 17:45:51 aaaaaaaand CRASH goes Chrome's javascript interpreter Aug 27 17:49:01 subtracting an int from a string is apparently bad Aug 27 17:49:25 esp when you pipe the bad int into something that's expecting a string Aug 27 17:51:19 and enyo.json.parse() halts execution of the script without throwing an error. interesting. Aug 27 17:55:47 I tried to render 1,000,000 dom nodes Aug 27 17:55:51 It didn't work Aug 27 17:56:10 this is my shocked face: :| Aug 27 17:58:08 poop Aug 27 17:58:30 hya guys. im trying to connect my touch pad under archlinux and just cant get it connected , anyone have a few minutes to help? Aug 27 18:00:53 zeltak: i think ppl @ #touchpad can help you Aug 27 18:01:03 kk thx leiru Aug 27 18:05:35 mmm no offense but #touchpad seems like a bunch of teenageres flaming each other :) Aug 27 18:05:52 at least in the last 5 minutes :) Aug 27 18:06:10 thats what is happening Aug 27 18:07:03 it does that Aug 27 18:07:11 that's why I usually don't hang out there Aug 27 18:07:15 zeltak: really looks so :D Aug 27 18:07:31 was this channel created by Android freaks? Aug 27 18:07:49 and when I do, it's more to see who seems to have dev or hacking blood...so I can redirect traffic to the appropriate channels Aug 27 18:08:27 alright...now I'm really away Aug 27 18:08:53 i know its not a tochpad support channel but anyone using linux an novacom? Aug 27 18:09:57 zeltak: yes, I do (but no TP) Aug 27 18:11:17 pc-world: im trying to use novacom on arch. i see the toucpad with lsusb but cant get it to connect Aug 27 18:11:47 tried on ubuntu with same results..any tips/stuff i can try? is there a way to get preware without a usb connection? Aug 27 18:12:13 without usb conn I don't think so Aug 27 18:12:27 did you install the novacom deb from the SDK page? Aug 27 18:12:44 zeltak: you did put the touchpad in dev mode right? :) Aug 27 18:12:49 yes i think so Aug 27 18:12:52 zeltak: did you enable dev mode? Aug 27 18:12:54 DraX: yes its in the dev mode Aug 27 18:12:56 (I assume devmode is already on ;)) Aug 27 18:13:02 yup its on Aug 27 18:13:11 pc-world standard maessig nicht Aug 27 18:13:16 hey zeltak, did you put it in dev mode? Aug 27 18:13:32 sugardave: pc-world et al: yeah the touchpad is in dev mode :) Aug 27 18:13:36 haha Aug 27 18:13:41 lol Aug 27 18:14:01 technikfreak: yeah I know ;) Aug 27 18:14:06 did you install the novacom deb from the SDK page? Aug 27 18:15:25 i installed the novacom from the arch repo: palm-novacom 1.0.76-1 Aug 27 18:15:38 pretty sure its from the sdk page Aug 27 18:15:50 hmmm I'd rather install the official and latest one Aug 27 18:16:02 zeltak: what happens if you want ssh trough $ novaterm Aug 27 18:16:09 the TouchPad probably needs the latest Aug 27 18:16:28 pc-world: ok let me try on the ubuntu machine.. mind pasting the link to the latest novacom? Aug 27 18:16:35 the repo has probably some old one Aug 27 18:16:56 leiru: cant ssh as well Aug 27 18:17:01 zeltak: wait a second Aug 27 18:17:06 sure pc-world Aug 27 18:18:27 32 bit: https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/3.0.2.652/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_1.0.76_i386.deb Aug 27 18:18:41 kk thx pc-world let me try that Aug 27 18:18:44 64 bit: https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/3.0.2.652/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_1.0.76_amd64.deb Aug 27 18:19:13 thx let me install this. now after its installed any other stpes? Aug 27 18:20:20 maybe reboot, connect the device and type "novacom -l" and see if there are any devices Aug 27 18:20:34 kk Aug 27 18:21:01 kk novacom -l finally sees something :) Aug 27 18:21:12 'topaz-linux' Aug 27 18:21:29 OMG YOU HAVE A TOPAZ?! Aug 27 18:21:34 oh, nevermind Aug 27 18:21:38 ?? Aug 27 18:21:48 a little joke :D Aug 27 18:21:52 (im a neewb) Aug 27 18:21:54 ahh ok :) Aug 27 18:22:29 topaz is the codename for the TouchPad Aug 27 18:22:43 where did you have problems with? Quick Install? Aug 27 18:23:14 cool :) mm i actually tried quick install on Arch not ubuntu Aug 27 18:23:22 should i try quick install on ubuntu? Aug 27 18:25:06 ok seeme to qork Aug 27 18:25:16 thx pc-world and the rest of the guys..appriciate it Aug 27 18:25:41 you're welcome :) Aug 27 18:26:30 weird on arch i have the same exact novacom version but oh well...off to play with the homebrew :) Aug 27 18:29:19 jrabbit: I *DON'T* *WANT* irssi in a terminal Aug 27 18:29:24 and wirc is open source Aug 27 18:29:33 just have to get my toolchain up and running ;) Aug 27 18:29:49 heh Aug 27 18:34:44 * halfhalo yawns Aug 27 18:34:59 DanielC|Mac: want to test this new version... ? http://smallpondapps.com/wp-content/uploads/ipk/ Aug 27 18:35:24 is it updated on the app store Aug 27 18:35:56 not yet Aug 27 18:36:48 [14:30] to print from the touchpad Aug 27 18:36:48 [14:31] do you need a wireless HP printer? trying to add my lexmark and it's failing Aug 27 18:37:00 PsWii60: yes. Aug 27 18:37:08 I wonder if CUPS IPP printing works Aug 27 18:37:18 so nothing other than HP printers work Aug 27 18:37:27 fags. Aug 27 18:37:29 and not all HP printers Aug 27 18:37:33 or Google cloud print (windows only and silly) Aug 27 18:37:40 its too freaking hot down here. I sort of miss being in sunnyvale already. Aug 27 18:37:52 maybe there are other apps that can add lexmark printers to the tablet Aug 27 18:38:39 I couldn't imagine spending $500 on this and then finding that out... Aug 27 18:40:20 PsWii60: no Aug 27 18:40:46 go figure Aug 27 18:41:31 PsWii60: when I found out, I went on a rampage and rape, pillage and plundered half the town Aug 27 18:41:46 haha Aug 27 18:41:55 that's what I did yesterday Aug 27 18:41:59 it's a small town, but... Aug 27 18:42:05 when HP was handing out expired app codes. Aug 27 18:42:36 PsWii60: maybe the weren't expired, but not yet activated Aug 27 18:42:38 *they Aug 27 18:42:53 it takes 24h till promo codes get activated Aug 27 18:43:11 'sorry this code has reached its max users' would be a weird error msg for that Aug 27 18:43:30 ah Aug 27 18:43:43 to be fair, they weren't expired when they were handed out. You were just too slow. Aug 27 18:44:13 to be fair there should have been enough to go around until the date mentioned LOL Aug 27 18:44:24 I tried it like 12 hrs later Aug 27 18:44:31 hey pc-world Aug 27 18:44:50 hi Patrick Aug 27 18:45:02 but anyway Aug 27 18:45:04 PM? Aug 27 18:45:34 isn't an app all it would take to get non-HP printers working from the touchpad? Aug 27 18:45:51 or is it something that the OS is preventing Aug 27 18:46:07 I thought you only needed any wireless printer and its IP? Aug 27 18:46:13 PatrickC_TP: yeah why not Aug 27 18:46:20 probably more "not enabling" than "not preventing" Aug 27 18:46:22 my lexmark doesn't work Aug 27 18:46:26 PsWii60: HP wants to sell its own printers Aug 27 18:47:01 omfg i think my head is going to explode. could someone who might be familiar with the enyo tutorial at https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial4.html explain to me .. just how the hell it is that getListItem ever gets called? Aug 27 18:47:07 they would have to implement cups to do it Aug 27 18:47:24 pc-world: i hear Apple is going to get into the printer business now Aug 27 18:47:39 yeah this definitely reminds me of a crapple situation Aug 27 18:47:46 use our shit or gtfo Aug 27 18:48:03 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/onion-new-apple-ceo-cook-is-thinking-printers/10950 Aug 27 18:48:47 the onion's legit Aug 27 18:48:59 haha Aug 27 18:49:43 EricBlade: onSetupRow: "getListItem", Aug 27 18:50:21 haeffb: yes, but what causes that to happen? there's nowhere that i can find, other than when the program is first run, that that can be called? Aug 27 18:50:50 any time the VIrtualRepeater needs to render a row, its onSetupRow method is called Aug 27 18:51:45 i.e. initially to setup the visible rows, and then anytime you scroll Aug 27 18:52:43 so how do the rows get added to it? i'm seeing it only ever called at program start, which results in 0 rows Aug 27 18:52:57 EricBlade: do you return true? Aug 27 18:53:35 i return true if there's something in the list Aug 27 18:53:47 there is an array of objects that are being rendered in the repeater... Aug 27 18:54:03 when that array changes, you need to refresh the repeater Aug 27 18:54:28 and then it calls getListItem() with a number starting at 0 and increasing, until the getListItem() returns False? Aug 27 18:55:10 no, setupRow Aug 27 18:55:15 (I think) Aug 27 18:56:16 omg that is so twisted Aug 27 18:56:22 no...not exactly Aug 27 18:56:47 it calls onSetupRow (which in your case is getListItem) for any row that needs to be rendered Aug 27 18:57:00 that is exactly what it's doing .. wow Aug 27 18:57:28 when getListItem returns false, it doesn't render THAT row Aug 27 18:57:37 and then it stops calling Aug 27 18:58:15 so since my [0]th data entry was empty, it would never add anything to the list Aug 27 18:59:14 ah, yes, I see that now. I'm more familiar with VirtualList Aug 27 18:59:52 so, anyway, if your data changes, you have to re-render the VirtualRepeater Aug 27 19:00:51 Is the dude that was looking for a TP TouchStone still here? Aug 27 19:01:02 that seems really really bizarre, but i guess i understand it now Aug 27 19:02:08 and now setCaption is blowing up, so i'm assuming that i have scope wrong somewhere Aug 27 19:03:49 ooo 3-pack of stylus for $6.77 that sounds good.. (I think? :) Aug 27 19:04:41 Well! That was a bust. Been up since 5, spent a few hours camping Best Buy… P: Aug 27 19:04:55 I did manage to get a keyboard though. Just need to get the tablet to go with it. Aug 27 19:04:59 SineOt: Well, camping's always fun! :) Aug 27 19:05:10 And on that note: Batteries? How in the world do you get to them :B Aug 27 19:05:27 on the keyboard? the cover slides off Aug 27 19:05:33 I got a 32gb TP for my dad, now I want to sell it (while the mkt is ripe) and buy him a 16gb later, but he has no confidence in my ability to buy it later.. Aug 27 19:05:33 the battery cover, that is Aug 27 19:05:47 there is an instruction sheet in the box... :) Aug 27 19:05:58 it took me a minute to figure out the battery cover on that kbd! I looked for an instruction sheet even but musta lost it quick! Aug 27 19:06:07 haeffb: this was an extra 25% off since it was open box Aug 27 19:06:14 and the one thing missing..? the instruction sheet :P Aug 27 19:06:31 just push the battery cover to the...left? or right...? Aug 27 19:06:36 one or the other Aug 27 19:06:40 or maybe i didn't lose my instruction sheet, and it never came w/ one.. that's more likely. Aug 27 19:07:53 Hmm. Well, I got it paired! :U just need to figure out how to get the battery cover off Aug 27 19:09:05 oh, i thought you left in protest of the battery cover.. :) Aug 27 19:09:23 those papers that come w/ the Kbd say it comes with rechargeable batteries.. grr! Aug 27 19:09:28 I left in protest of not knowing what keys mapped to what in OSX! XD Aug 27 19:09:47 I… Kind of found that the card key maps to command. And command w leaves the channel! Aug 27 19:09:48 ajay: where'd you find a tp touchstone? Aug 27 19:09:57 dwc-: check hh gregg Aug 27 19:10:03 they price matched for me Aug 27 19:10:30 * haeffb going to mow the lawn Aug 27 19:10:34 to what price? Aug 27 19:10:40 35 or 39 Aug 27 19:10:45 if all else fails, a hammer will remove the battery cover Aug 27 19:10:48 let me check the invoice Aug 27 19:10:51 hm, not bad Aug 27 19:10:58 dwc-: slickdeals, $40 Aug 27 19:11:08 slickdeals is not a vendor! Aug 27 19:11:11 39.99 Aug 27 19:11:17 24.99 for case Aug 27 19:11:18 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?p=42284133 Aug 27 19:11:43 dwc-: haha.. fticomputer. It's not a vendor, it's just where i found it, which is what you asked, technically :) Aug 27 19:12:01 ajay: I take it yours has OEM Duracells? Never even seen batteries that get marked as Original Equipment before Aug 27 19:12:01 im surprised apple didnt sue HP for copying their packaging Aug 27 19:12:44 why would they care about a product with <1% market share? Aug 27 19:12:51 This product is currently out of stock. Please remove the product from your cart to continue. Aug 27 19:12:54 bah Aug 27 19:13:02 (hhgregg) Aug 27 19:13:06 SineOt: i didn't notice, funny :) Aug 27 19:13:33 SineOt: we should probably sell them, probably net a good penny Aug 27 19:13:34 pc-world: wouldnt be the first time they went after something Aug 27 19:13:34 Aug 27 19:13:45 infinitesimal Aug 27 19:15:00 Having unboxed a number of Apple products, the packaging is hardly infinitesimal! Aug 27 19:15:36 SineOt: i meant the threat was irrelevant to apple Aug 27 19:15:38 oh hey, I don't need this $40 touchstone after all Aug 27 19:15:44 regardless, the packaging from HP is very nice Aug 27 19:15:49 I just got a shipped notification from officedepot Aug 27 19:15:58 dwc-: call your local store Aug 27 19:16:04 i went in they had plenty Aug 27 19:16:13 or try and convince walmart Aug 27 19:16:18 DanielC|Mac: ah Aug 27 19:16:23 alas, there are no local stores Aug 27 19:16:30 ah that sucks Aug 27 19:16:42 the nearest store is ... Aug 27 19:16:54 i also bought my touchpad last saturday from them Aug 27 19:16:58 :) Aug 27 19:17:13 went right when they opened Aug 27 19:17:14 We've been trying to track down a touchpad this entire last week :( Aug 27 19:17:14 lol Aug 27 19:17:20 Still no luck Aug 27 19:17:22 i have been too Aug 27 19:17:27 my mother is nagging me for one Aug 27 19:17:33 4 states away... Aug 27 19:17:47 wait, 5 Aug 27 19:17:54 what is? Aug 27 19:18:03 sorry, updated wirc :) Aug 27 19:18:09 CA-AZ-NM-OK-AR- Aug 27 19:18:22 TN Aug 27 19:18:37 my state! Aug 27 19:18:39 the nearest hhgregg local store Aug 27 19:18:46 really.. wow Aug 27 19:19:01 yea, 5 states! no problem! Aug 27 19:19:26 actually it sounds worse if I use TX instead of OK Aug 27 19:20:15 and after all that is when i find out im not actually getting objects out of this i'm still just getting strings. argh. break time. Aug 27 19:20:33 I wonder how long the crew knew they were going to do this, the TP truly is #1+ Aug 27 19:20:36 ;^) Aug 27 19:32:03 ok, just bought 3 styluses, i hope i find that a useful purchase.. ;^) (in theory for ~$7 i should be good, but damn i've been buying a lot of 'little' things for this big TP! :) Aug 27 19:35:57 ttfn.. Aug 27 19:41:07 so which software is now good for palying lviestreams Aug 27 19:44:11 Hmm Aug 27 19:44:19 Trust hardware in the UK still seem to have touchpads in stock Aug 27 19:44:35 I talked to them a few days ago and they said they were awaiting confirmation of the price reduction Aug 27 19:44:39 then they went out of stock Aug 27 19:44:43 now they have 10 again 0.0 Aug 27 19:44:51 still at full price however Aug 27 20:08:27 * qacat is not at the baltimore developer event. Aug 27 20:36:19 Anybody here actually work at HP? Aug 27 20:37:41 kesne not sure Aug 27 20:37:51 Caleb: That's not helpful. Aug 27 20:38:16 there are people here who work for HP, but whether they are active at this moment in time is another matter Aug 27 20:38:43 dwc-: Also not helpful. Aug 27 20:39:02 well, why don't you ask what you actually want to know then :p Aug 27 20:39:27 dwc-: It's a question for the HP people, not you. Aug 27 20:39:50 pdc@palm.com, there you go Aug 27 20:40:04 pcworld: That email takes forever. Aug 27 20:40:34 then ask your personal account manager (if you have one) Aug 27 20:40:53 I wonder if my old account manager still works at HP Aug 27 20:40:56 I doubt it Aug 27 20:41:14 who? Aug 27 20:41:16 Anyways, none of these answers are helpful. Aug 27 20:41:37 then why are you on irc? Aug 27 20:42:02 pcworld: I was hoping dkirker or someone would be here Aug 27 20:42:08 pcworld: Rob is my old one Aug 27 20:42:32 hmm never heard of a Rob (so probably no longer working there) Aug 27 20:44:17 Rob Katcher Aug 27 20:44:38 was he in devrelations? Aug 27 20:44:55 Hi, can anyone help me with the Tax ID Number and the W-8BEN form for a developers account? Aug 27 20:45:04 pcworld: I think he was mainly PR Aug 27 20:45:28 www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8ben.pdf Aug 27 20:45:43 JamesC: what country you're in? Aug 27 20:45:48 The UK Aug 27 20:45:58 dwc- thanks for the help... Aug 27 20:46:25 if I ever want to put an app in the App Catalog I'll have this to do too... :( Aug 27 20:47:02 Yeah, its a pain. Is it possible for me just to sort out my own taxes, and only sell in the EU? Aug 27 20:47:21 JamesC: no Aug 27 20:47:28 I don't think so Aug 27 20:47:53 even when only distributing free apps you have to do this sh*t Aug 27 20:48:18 I would have to set up a company even if I don't intend to make money Aug 27 20:48:37 I'm applying as an individual Aug 27 20:49:14 problem is I'm not sure if I could use any tax number when I have no company (Germany) Aug 27 20:49:51 for luck I can at least distribute via Preware Aug 27 20:50:09 Yeah, I guess preware is the best option for now Aug 27 20:50:29 but the PreCentral feed is pretty buggy (only one screenshot, no developer name/link, no category) Aug 27 20:50:53 and WebOS Internals doesn't accept closed-source apps in their feeds Aug 27 20:52:05 the touchpad doesn't have netstat? step backwards from the phone! Aug 27 20:52:41 Do iOS or Android developers have to do all this US tax stuff? Aug 27 20:52:59 Android not I think Aug 27 20:53:02 iOS yes Aug 27 20:53:32 (from what I read when I did research on this topic a few months ago) Aug 27 20:53:48 Hmm, android was my next platform to target, so thats good. Aug 27 20:55:21 but I'm not 100% sure on how this would work for free apps Aug 27 20:55:47 err *paid Aug 27 20:56:09 still hoping for Enyo to become open-sourced, then I could target both webOS and Android Aug 27 20:56:33 pcworld: Don't count on it Aug 27 20:57:18 I don't, that's why I haven't started developing in Enyo yet Aug 27 20:57:53 interesting is that they did iOS-specific changes in the framework code Aug 27 20:58:17 but maybe only for testing Enyo on the iPad when they hadn't have their hardware ready Aug 27 20:58:36 pcworld: Or maybe because they want to open source Aug 27 20:59:29 But in order to do that, there's so much bureaucracy crap to go through in order to do it, it just got lost on it's way Aug 27 20:59:47 I guess the employees don't even know if that's gonna happen (as always) Aug 27 21:01:18 if they don't want to lose all devs completely they should open-source it or at least license it for use on other platforms Aug 27 21:02:12 ok so where is the camera app? Aug 27 21:05:16 anyone living outside the us area by chance? Aug 27 21:08:04 Flashpass: Yeah. Aug 27 21:09:00 klausa: would you mind just doing a super quick test? just goto the app catalog and see if the app "Groupon Mobile" is available? Aug 27 21:10:06 I don't have Touchpad yet, sorry. Aug 27 21:10:16 ah okay, thanks anyway Aug 27 21:10:18 Nor any webOS device. Aug 27 21:10:42 I guess you're just here for the company? hehe Aug 27 21:12:36 i've almost got my app half working! woo Aug 27 21:14:02 Flashpass: Yeah, got curious what's going on since Firesale. Aug 27 21:14:25 And I'm waiting for my TouchPad to arrive with my friend when he's coming back from US on Sept. 5th :) Aug 27 21:14:59 Flashpass, Groupon Mobile by DNS Mobile? Aug 27 21:16:38 EricBlade: what app? Aug 27 21:16:48 EricBlade: what app? Aug 27 21:16:59 lol. i'm working on a google voice interface Aug 27 21:17:09 it seemed like a simple thing to learn with. little did i know Aug 27 21:17:26 new language, new platform, lots of new concepts Aug 27 21:17:43 taken me all damn day just to get my inbox's main index up Aug 27 21:17:58 Enyo or Mojo? Aug 27 21:18:15 enyo Aug 27 21:18:32 no fear, I'm developing on my app for 10 months now and not released yet :P Aug 27 21:19:10 10 months is not an extremely long time for a decent app Aug 27 21:20:08 so, now i need to come up with a way to locate a specific div out of a giant chunk of html, and graft it into the enyo interface Aug 27 21:20:18 I hope it'll be decent and users will like it Aug 27 21:20:20 by id? Aug 27 21:20:28 klausa: yes! Aug 27 21:20:48 x.getElementById? Aug 27 21:21:02 pcworld: it's currently all in a string though Aug 27 21:21:20 you can turn it into a domnode Aug 27 21:21:34 will be automatically parsed Aug 27 21:21:51 but that could be resource heavy if you just need one div Aug 27 21:22:09 otherwhise, use indexOf and get the part that you eed Aug 27 21:22:18 *need Aug 27 21:22:26 locating the beginning part is easy, locating the end might be a nightmare Aug 27 21:23:15 indexOf(firstindex, "") ? Aug 27 21:23:29 there are plenty of other divs in between though Aug 27 21:23:44 you could count them Aug 27 21:23:57 or let webkit just parse the entire string ;) Aug 27 21:24:14 i think i've located a function that will do the locating of the item within the DOM .. now how do i re-insert the node into the middle of a enyo object? Aug 27 21:24:15 you could basically implement a sax parser, instead of just using the damn DOM :) Aug 27 21:24:55 DraX: where's the advantage? Aug 27 21:25:09 pcworld: it was sarcasm Aug 27 21:25:26 ok lol sry :D Aug 27 21:25:31 can i just setContent() on a enyo element with a dom node, and have it spectacularly explode? Aug 27 21:26:21 could be the case that it have to be parsed twice, but who cares Aug 27 21:26:36 try it Aug 27 21:27:04 EricBlade: are you scraping the google voice pages? Aug 27 21:27:07 isn't there an API? Aug 27 21:27:40 yes, there is one Aug 27 21:27:44 there's unofficial APIs Aug 27 21:27:52 DraX: yes and no Aug 27 21:28:05 btw, Voogle has been open-sourced, you could look at its source code ;) Aug 27 21:28:20 voogle is a piece of junk... I've already looked at the source code :p Aug 27 21:28:28 well, i tried my idea there, and it was a spectacular display. it looks like my web browser just vomited code Aug 27 21:28:30 lol Aug 27 21:28:48 btw, anyone who's used voogle, your login and password were sent in plaintext in a way that it's logged in the most common apache/etc log file formats Aug 27 21:28:58 on the author's server Aug 27 21:29:12 ??!? Aug 27 21:29:23 on the *author's* sever?! Aug 27 21:29:25 at least, that's what the source says Aug 27 21:29:38 i haven't found any decent looking voice apps, so i figured i'd start my own to get a feel for this Aug 27 21:29:44 the feeling is a giant freaking headache, but hey why not Aug 27 21:30:36 didn't want to hold you up ;) Aug 27 21:30:55 hmm. interesting. voogle is $1.99, but it's open source. that's an abnormal thing Aug 27 21:31:29 he open-sourced it when HP made their press release Aug 27 21:31:38 btw, that's not abnormal Aug 27 21:32:01 wirc/Koto player are both open source, and there are paid versions in the appcat Aug 27 21:33:16 * pcworld leaves now Aug 27 21:35:38 :D Aug 27 21:35:48 I just successfully frankenpre'd my Pre 2 for Sprint :D Aug 27 21:35:56 why yes, it does look like, at least at a glance, that the voogle thing all went through the author's server Aug 27 21:37:13 yea, see the part where https is used? to talk to google Aug 27 21:37:18 see all the kandutech urls? those are all http Aug 27 21:37:38 and all the params are passed in http get Aug 27 21:38:49 twbbas: noice Aug 27 21:39:18 Pre 2 is infinitely better than Pre- Aug 27 21:39:33 I'm glad to see some "For TouchPad" apps were Fat Packed when I logged into my profile Aug 27 21:40:09 twbbas: yessir Aug 27 21:40:22 I previously had different profiles on my phone and touchpad Aug 27 21:40:48 wheres patrick.. Aug 27 21:42:06 well, nope, this isn't working at all Aug 27 21:42:46 dwc: well i see a bunch of https calls but with the passwords in clear text on the urls. not sure if that makes a huge difference. in any case, yeah, even if he wasn't intentionally logging, he's still got everyone's passwords Aug 27 21:43:15 ok, attempting to jam this string into the DOM and then parse it, is apparently not working well Aug 27 21:46:50 DOMparser works though woo Aug 27 21:47:21 patrick.. you annoying tard.. where are you.. Aug 27 21:47:48 lol Aug 27 21:48:43 ive got good news for him Aug 27 21:48:54 ailium (js/canvas) runs flawlessly on TP Aug 27 21:49:02 i guess that 1.2ghz dual core can handle it :P Aug 27 21:49:13 hahahaha Aug 27 21:50:01 omg google maps loads up in like 3 seconds Aug 27 21:50:08 no more 15 second load time Aug 27 21:50:11 and 95% failure rate Aug 27 21:50:37 you must not be on edge Aug 27 21:50:38 now to actualyl find documentation on how to -use- a domparser Aug 27 21:50:46 * dwc- gets that *all* the time Aug 27 21:50:58 dwc-: Nope. Sprint Pre 2 Aug 27 21:51:03 I just converted Aug 27 21:51:08 nice Aug 27 21:51:15 EricBlade: haven't been paying attention Aug 27 21:51:20 you need a dom parser? Aug 27 21:51:22 or what? Aug 27 21:51:26 for the .ipk do you just put it in your downloads folder via USB? Aug 27 21:51:46 if I have a .ipk file that I want to install or whatever Aug 27 21:51:47 Tibfib: i've got the javascript domparser giving me a document object, now i need to figure out how to pull out the element i want and reattach it somewhere else Aug 27 21:51:56 hmmm Aug 27 21:52:02 EricBlade: try out zeptojs Aug 27 21:52:20 it is a min version of jquery Aug 27 21:52:26 much lighter and efficient for mobile Aug 27 21:52:58 Is there a way to play a sound file with it using the device volume and not the media volume? Aug 27 21:58:25 KalemSoft Media Player for WebOS << anyone know if this can handle 720p on a Touchpad? Aug 27 21:58:41 why can I not use getElementsByTagName here.. cry Aug 27 22:00:09 Will using the WebOS Internals PDK work with doing things with the touchpad? Aug 27 22:02:15 yes Aug 27 22:02:22 same as the HP PDK/SDK will Aug 27 22:02:57 Thanks Aug 27 22:03:07 Where's PatC when you need him Aug 27 22:03:16 I need him to tell me how to install enyo on my Pre 2 :D Aug 27 22:03:59 you should have installed 2.1.0 and enyo on your pre- :p Aug 27 22:04:08 I had 2.1 but not enyo Aug 27 22:04:15 My Pre- was so slow with 2.1 Aug 27 22:04:19 excuse the newbishness Aug 27 22:04:21 what is enyo Aug 27 22:04:36 DanielC|Mac: It's the newest javascript framework from HP that is used to make apps for the TouchPad and future phones Aug 27 22:04:46 Mojo is the old framework Aug 27 22:05:07 You can still write touchpad apps in Mojo but the best thing to do is to write touchpad apps in enyo. Aug 27 22:10:02 Tibfib: did the css3 hack work on spaz? Aug 27 22:10:21 mojo apps have a mojo app menu Aug 27 22:10:23 which looks weird Aug 27 22:10:25 leiru: oh, I haven't really worked on it there Aug 27 22:10:34 been working on nomnomnom performance Aug 27 22:11:20 twbbas, summatusmentis: ping Aug 27 22:11:32 i asked sugardave if he could test ist on my froscon app - which has a giant x/y scroller with many dom nodes. Aug 27 22:11:32 wudup Aug 27 22:11:40 hey Aug 27 22:11:45 i am not sure if i do it wrong or if it just does not work Aug 27 22:12:03 twbbas, so do you care about the mini scroller for feed swapping? Aug 27 22:12:14 twbbas: did you say you were looking at a launch facebook feature in an app? Aug 27 22:13:02 Tibfib: What mini scroller? Aug 27 22:13:06 Flashpass: Huh? Aug 27 22:13:12 twbbas: the horizontal scroller Aug 27 22:13:23 Tibfib: Oh the thing at the top? Aug 27 22:13:25 when you tap on the feed title when viewing a feed Aug 27 22:13:31 yeah Aug 27 22:13:33 umm Aug 27 22:13:47 I actually use it a lot to see if any new articles came in while I was reading Aug 27 22:13:51 but that's the only thing I use it for Aug 27 22:13:53 twbbas: not sure if it was you, but walk talking to someone about launching the facebook app and prepopulating the share box Aug 27 22:14:13 Flashpass: I think I talked about that like 2-3 weeks ago. I think the bug was fixed with the latest update. Aug 27 22:14:42 twbbas: was it? for me it shows a blank screen in the right pane Aug 27 22:15:17 twbbas: any chance I could get a pastebin of your fb launch code for comparison? Aug 27 22:15:20 Flashpass: I've been having that happen for me too lately when I load up the app normally. Maybe that's a new bug? But, last I heard was that the bug with launch params didn't work. Aug 27 22:15:30 err s/didn't work/was fixed Aug 27 22:15:44 I don't use the crossapp launching of FB in any of my apps Aug 27 22:15:49 I was just asking for a future app Aug 27 22:15:54 ah ok Aug 27 22:16:04 ummm @MannyMan on Twitter uses it I believe Aug 27 22:16:05 im unsure whether to put it in or not Aug 27 22:16:09 He was having trouble with the bug before Aug 27 22:16:13 then it got updated and fixed it Aug 27 22:16:22 okay i'll talk to him about it Aug 27 22:16:38 I believe the blank pane is a new bug and isn't related to the old one of params Aug 27 22:16:45 It happens to me a lot when I just load up the app Aug 27 22:17:01 I have to hit the Statuses or News button on the left Aug 27 22:17:08 oh you think it's unrelated Aug 27 22:17:39 yes Aug 27 22:18:23 ok thanks Aug 27 22:19:14 SOOO MUCH TO DO IN NOMNOMNOM Aug 27 22:21:33 anyone know if we have getElementById() on device? Aug 27 22:22:33 patch makers hang out here? Aug 27 22:22:50 Optimo_: more in #webos-internals Aug 27 22:23:01 alrighty Aug 27 22:24:13 EricBlade: it's js so yes Aug 27 22:24:43 15:00 < twbbas> DanielC|Mac: It's the newest javascript framework from HP that is used to make apps for the TouchPad and future phones Aug 27 22:24:46 dwc--: getElementById() is a relatively recent implementation, is why i ask Aug 27 22:24:47 future phones, eh Aug 27 22:29:35 dwc--: Future phones will have enyo, yes? Aug 27 22:29:41 (assuming someone licenses) Aug 27 22:30:06 well... I think a lot of people thought the pre3 was the future phone Aug 27 22:30:22 pre3 has enyo./ Aug 27 22:30:32 according to precentral.net Aug 27 22:30:39 and according to people that own it Aug 27 22:30:45 good point Aug 27 22:30:46 oh really Aug 27 22:30:53 I hadn't heard that Aug 27 22:32:13 so then TP+pre3+future phones, if any Aug 27 22:32:43 but since nobody has those and nobody's holding their breath on updates for the other phones, if you want to write for a phone, ... Aug 27 22:32:51 well, almost nobody Aug 27 22:32:51 mojo! Aug 27 22:32:59 maybe LG or someone like that will license webos :/ Aug 27 22:33:03 Yeah, I stopped making phone apps :\ Aug 27 22:33:04 that would be cool Aug 27 22:33:08 TouchPad is where it's at right now Aug 27 22:33:13 for sure! Aug 27 22:33:22 I'd love to have a webos phone Aug 27 22:33:25 I dunno, alot of pre2's were sold Aug 27 22:33:36 sooo anyone else have record sales yesterday? Aug 27 22:33:46 Wouldnt have minded the Pre2 at $50 with the student discount Aug 27 22:33:52 Tibfib: I've been having record downloads day after day of my free game Aug 27 22:33:57 I bought 6 pre2 for $50 Aug 27 22:33:58 Everyone's getting their touchpads delivered Aug 27 22:34:03 for friends... they're all spoken for though Aug 27 22:34:17 you can find them on CL in my area for ~100 Aug 27 22:34:21 My luck :P Aug 27 22:34:24 When/IFFFF i get mine from davavision, I will probably buy a few games Aug 27 22:34:29 twbbas: basically same here Aug 27 22:34:31 if I'd known more people wanted them, I would have picked up another box or something Aug 27 22:34:33 that need for speed game for one Aug 27 22:34:35 it was gooood the first day Aug 27 22:34:39 shmeh teh second Aug 27 22:34:52 then has been getting better and better nearly every day Aug 27 22:35:04 I wonder how long this will continue Aug 27 22:35:09 Anyone know if there's a way to see daily purchases of in-app items besides looking at sales report @ end of month? Aug 27 22:35:33 absolutely love multitasking/cards, reminds me of maemo Aug 27 22:35:47 and soon meego Aug 27 22:35:54 I only had a n770 Aug 27 22:35:59 twbbas: doesn't look like it Aug 27 22:36:20 ALRIGHT TIME TO OPTIMIZE THIS PUPPY Aug 27 22:36:46 what do you all think of this color for my sno rims Aug 27 22:36:47 http://jdmego.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/92-1-111809.jpg Aug 27 22:36:50 too pink? Aug 27 22:36:56 I really liked the pre1 when it was out Aug 27 22:37:01 sno? Aug 27 22:37:10 yeah too pink Aug 27 22:37:14 heh Aug 27 22:37:16 dawm: make it easy to find in the snow Aug 27 22:38:18 yah Aug 27 22:38:28 i need to paint the wheels since theyre pretty beat up Aug 27 22:38:37 figure why not make a statement Aug 27 22:38:48 there are better statements to make/. Aug 27 22:39:01 make a statement and blind people all in one go Aug 27 22:40:14 different rims, same car Aug 27 22:40:14 http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4978/2481/24943740006_large.jpg Aug 27 22:40:35 i think it looks nice :P Aug 27 22:40:56 o.o Aug 27 22:41:43 holy crap I haven't patched in a while on my phone Aug 27 22:41:47 609 patches available :o Aug 27 22:41:51 homebrew rocks! Aug 27 22:42:00 yeah Aug 27 22:42:03 and like 5 for touchpad Aug 27 22:42:08 35* Aug 27 22:42:35 * Tibfib needs moar TP patches Aug 27 22:42:41 Every time I would login to my sabayon linux box, like 600+ updates Aug 27 22:42:54 if I left it for a week Aug 27 22:43:35 windows 7 is pretty update heavy Aug 27 22:44:13 yeah Aug 27 22:44:52 Windows can be pretty annoying about it though, forced updates that reboot your computer without asking sometimes Aug 27 22:45:02 while you are in the middle of doing something Aug 27 22:45:12 I turn off autoupdate Aug 27 22:45:22 oh I did, got sick of that crap Aug 27 22:45:24 for just that reason Aug 27 22:45:35 I wish I could give it a mask of things to autoinstall and not autoinstall Aug 27 22:45:45 malware defender, sure. everything else, ask Aug 27 22:46:07 that would be intuative Aug 27 22:46:16 yea, that's why it doesn't exist :p Aug 27 22:46:28 Ironsight: There are not such things. Aug 27 22:46:29 exactly Aug 27 22:46:45 As 'forced updates' that update 'without asking'. Aug 27 22:46:59 If they do on your PC, that's not Windows, there's somethign else going on. Aug 27 22:47:12 * Ironsight nods Aug 27 22:50:31 anyone have any idea where the C sample app this page is referring to? Aug 27 22:50:33 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/quick_start_c.html Aug 27 22:50:59 i downloaded the sample/docs but can't find anything related to it Aug 27 22:51:06 its in the SDK/PDK Aug 27 22:51:22 hmm okay Aug 27 22:51:33 patrick.... Aug 27 22:52:06 any idea which directory? Aug 27 22:52:14 wqindows? Aug 27 22:52:42 program files\palm\PDK\share\samples Aug 27 22:53:00 or on mac/linux /opt/Palm/PDK/share/samples Aug 27 22:53:28 hmm i have /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/samplecode Aug 27 22:53:35 hmm. looks like the addChild family of functions is broken in enyo Aug 27 22:53:44 that might be it Aug 27 22:53:49 i still have SDK 2.0 on this machine Aug 27 22:53:53 * Ironsight looks at pre|central's wallpapers Aug 27 22:54:31 i have a mojo dir with some stuff in it Aug 27 22:55:09 any of these? Aug 27 22:55:10 http://pastebin.com/qvXfZmFU Aug 27 22:55:23 it would be in the PDK dirs Aug 27 22:55:36 kk Aug 27 22:57:08 i don't think i have a PDK fir Aug 27 22:57:24 dir* Aug 27 22:58:02 bah i'll just start with the docs Aug 27 22:58:17 it might also be on the github Aug 27 22:58:33 https://github.com/palm/pdk-samples Aug 27 22:59:00 tiltodemo is a ball/maze game Aug 27 22:59:17 shapespin is just that a spinning shape (OGL) Aug 27 22:59:20 i dont recall what simple is Aug 27 22:59:32 oh nice thanks Aug 27 23:00:00 alot of the phone pdk games dont work on the touchpad, and when i say that i mean almost all of the 'big' name games Aug 27 23:00:17 * Ironsight wonders why the sample javascript code diplays perfect in wordpad, and not in notepad Aug 27 23:00:25 displays* Aug 27 23:00:29 most of the little guy dev games work surprisingly well altho gfx arent proper resolution Aug 27 23:00:42 line endings Aug 27 23:00:50 hell my attempt at a PDK works well, altho it doesnt fill the screen Aug 27 23:00:58 did EA pull the NFS game? Aug 27 23:01:08 I HOPE NOT Aug 27 23:01:09 huh? Aug 27 23:01:11 ive restored twice my TP and it never downloaded Aug 27 23:01:11 which games? Aug 27 23:01:14 altho i have it on my phone Aug 27 23:01:19 almost all the GLU games are broke Aug 27 23:01:26 all that i own and tried Aug 27 23:01:29 so i'm guessing HP wants devs to use enyo for app development and C/C++ for games? Aug 27 23:01:40 seems like their C/C++ tutorials are oriented towards gaming Aug 27 23:01:40 nova, jumpoclock,hero of sparta, wacky minigolf Aug 27 23:01:53 I can't blame em Aug 27 23:01:55 boltR: enyo is for GUI, C/C++ are for performance and portability, right? Aug 27 23:01:58 hello i have tried the org.webosinternals.messaging_3.0.6_armv7 but it doesn"t work tp does anyone know? Aug 27 23:01:58 sdl is fast Aug 27 23:02:14 you can do a normal app in c++ Aug 27 23:02:19 but its just easier in JS Aug 27 23:02:29 you cant really do advanced games in JS Aug 27 23:02:30 yeah Aug 27 23:02:32 balrog: not so sure because their enyo tutorials are geared towards making full-fledged apps Aug 27 23:02:33 yup Aug 27 23:02:38 or anything that requires performance Aug 27 23:02:39 and when you do, the system (phone) cant handle it Aug 27 23:02:39 hmm Aug 27 23:02:43 :[ Aug 27 23:02:51 dawm: you mean a full-fledged game in JS? Aug 27 23:02:54 for example, my js/canvas game gets like 15fps on the phone Aug 27 23:02:56 i kind of prefer to make a app in C/C++ Aug 27 23:02:59 but steady 30 on TP Aug 27 23:03:09 the PDK version is steady 30 on both Aug 27 23:03:11 the most I have seen on javascript was like... pacman done by google Aug 27 23:03:15 alot of overhead for a JS game Aug 27 23:03:17 that's still not bad Aug 27 23:03:31 can you mix JS and C/C++? Aug 27 23:03:31 phone wise Aug 27 23:03:33 yes Aug 27 23:03:36 that's good Aug 27 23:03:37 hybrid aka plugin app Aug 27 23:03:49 you can put the critical code in a plugin Aug 27 23:03:59 majority of the 'little guy' developer games are JS Aug 27 23:04:04 yep Aug 27 23:04:08 you can have enyo be your front-end/launcher Aug 27 23:04:20 can you have it for your GUI elements in game? Aug 27 23:04:24 wirc is hybrid Aug 27 23:04:32 balrog, sure why not Aug 27 23:04:36 but wirc isn't enyo yet? Aug 27 23:04:39 you just have the plugin do your 'crunching' Aug 27 23:04:45 to be honest I actually like WebOS so far Aug 27 23:04:48 (just got my touchpad) Aug 27 23:04:54 wirc-enyo isnt done Aug 27 23:04:57 (will probably order another when more stock arrives) Aug 27 23:04:59 lucky :) Aug 27 23:05:01 dawm: I heard... Aug 27 23:05:03 but the wirc-mojo is still JS/plugin Aug 27 23:05:14 balrog: hybrid apps can not receive multi-touch events Aug 27 23:05:21 ^^ what he said Aug 27 23:05:21 Tibfib: that's not good. Aug 27 23:05:25 no, it's not Aug 27 23:05:27 is it something that will be fixed? Aug 27 23:05:30 (in 4.1 or so) Aug 27 23:05:32 who knows. Aug 27 23:05:34 I sure hope so. Aug 27 23:05:40 multi-touch events are important. Aug 27 23:05:47 yeah Aug 27 23:05:53 we hope they fix it, we dunno Aug 27 23:06:06 are there bug reports on it? Aug 27 23:06:37 yeah Aug 27 23:06:39 they know about it Aug 27 23:06:42 it's a limitation Aug 27 23:06:54 well it shouldn't be that hard to fix for them :( Aug 27 23:07:07 There's alot of nice SDL opensource games out there to use for an engine, if you can get the engine to compile, then make your content. Might take a while, but you can then port it to windows/mac/linux/webos/etc Aug 27 23:07:10 as for enyo ... is it on phones? Aug 27 23:07:27 or only on the touchpad? Aug 27 23:07:37 sorry I'm new to this :) Aug 27 23:09:10 youre in the right place, asking the right questions, so its good Aug 27 23:09:37 also for those of you who code on the Mac ... what IDE do you guys use? Aug 27 23:09:48 I'm familiar with Xcode but I do realize it probably lacks builtin support Aug 27 23:10:32 i hate IDE's :( Aug 27 23:10:38 xcode for pdk Aug 27 23:10:41 i should learn xcode Aug 27 23:10:43 anything really for sdk Aug 27 23:10:53 i use komodo (on both mac and my windows machine) Aug 27 23:11:07 xcode 4 is pretty and functional Aug 27 23:11:07 the pdk has templates for xcode, which simplify things Aug 27 23:11:11 just turn on line numbers in prefs Aug 27 23:11:17 are they pre-installed in the /Developer folder? Aug 27 23:11:19 OK, well, now that i'm thoroughyl fed up with Javascript.. it's really time to take a break now. Unfortunately, the tutorials for coding seem to have left out an important step -- how the hell do you get your app in progress to a device? Aug 27 23:11:30 pre installed into xcode if you had xcode installed prior Aug 27 23:11:41 yeah I keep Xcode installed Aug 27 23:11:48 and with xcode Aug 27 23:11:55 you can test it out too Aug 27 23:12:06 don't see it pre-installed, however! Aug 27 23:12:08 :( Aug 27 23:12:08 without dumping it to a device Aug 27 23:12:33 dawm: that's useful Aug 27 23:12:44 it's probably not all that hard to make it dump to a device, too Aug 27 23:12:55 just a cmdline script to compile for device Aug 27 23:13:15 it has host libs and device libs Aug 27 23:13:27 I can't find templates though Aug 27 23:13:27 so you can build for mac , and also build for device Aug 27 23:13:43 go in xcode and do new project or something Aug 27 23:13:56 wait did I install the codesourcery toolchain... Aug 27 23:14:06 actually it's part of PDK Aug 27 23:14:09 i can go get on my laptop and see, i havent tried it with the 3.0 sdk yet Aug 27 23:14:10 yeah I did go into xcode Aug 27 23:14:17 no templates, 3.0.2 sdk Aug 27 23:14:36 (3.0 is broken with Lion; 3.0.2 works great but my hosts file was messed up) Aug 27 23:14:41 when i say templates i mean project types (it preloads the build lib info n stuff) Aug 27 23:14:54 like sdl app, ogl app, plugin(hybrid) Aug 27 23:15:02 ill brb Aug 27 23:15:21 ok Aug 27 23:16:03 how the hell do you get your app to the device?! Aug 27 23:16:40 package it (palm-package), then palm-install Aug 27 23:16:50 or preware, etc however you want to deal with the ipk Aug 27 23:17:01 after that, you can be lazy and rsync or whatever Aug 27 23:17:59 dwc-: damn that was easy. nice if i could've found it in the docs though! Aug 27 23:18:19 it is in the docs Aug 27 23:18:44 somewhere, i'm sure :D Aug 27 23:24:16 morf.js is pretty nice Aug 27 23:25:06 Bajan: when i open up xcode and do new project its under User Templates > Palm PDK Aug 27 23:25:16 as well as Mac OS X> Other Aug 27 23:32:00 someone needs to a homebrew app to enable private browsing Aug 27 23:32:11 i noticed in /etc/palm/browser.conf there is an option Aug 27 23:33:44 is there a guide for getting access to the terminal from an app? Aug 27 23:34:18 dawm Aug 27 23:34:25 i think there is a homebrew app that does that Aug 27 23:34:26 let me check Aug 27 23:34:52 sdlterminal doenst work on the TP btw Aug 27 23:35:19 i have a preware patch called private browsing Aug 27 23:35:25 gonna try this Aug 27 23:35:26 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/292847-terminal-access-touchpad-preware.html#post3083385 Aug 27 23:35:43 id like to toggle it tho Aug 27 23:35:51 >adds an option to the webOS browser that will prevent adding new items to the browser history. it can be toggled with a menu item Aug 27 23:36:00 tp compatible tho? Aug 27 23:36:04 let me try Aug 27 23:36:07 i have it installed Aug 27 23:36:08 already Aug 27 23:37:16 yep it works Aug 27 23:37:24 changes the toolbar to red Aug 27 23:37:28 to indicate private browsing Aug 27 23:37:36 did they reallow the promo codes Aug 27 23:37:38 6pack Aug 27 23:37:39 yet Aug 27 23:39:49 fxspec06: yeah and they're gone I think Aug 27 23:43:28 thanks boltR Aug 27 23:43:38 i didnt see it Aug 27 23:43:46 yep np Aug 27 23:49:10 whats triton Aug 27 23:50:44 the pre- node js service framework Aug 27 23:51:02 gah, stupid autocorrect Aug 27 23:52:00 "its the abandoned framework that node replaced." Try to autocorrect THAT lion! Aug 27 23:54:21 Hrm, apparently Australian demo units have a productSku value of FB472UA#UUF. Aug 27 23:55:09 Using Impostah to override this to FB427UA#UUF enables activation of them. Aug 27 23:56:18 (This is via Whirlpool, I don't have such a unit) Aug 27 23:59:46 * Tibfib wants a wifi app installer Aug 28 00:00:08 connecting a phone via usb is lame Aug 28 00:00:15 a touchpad? way worse Aug 28 00:00:21 Tibfib, do it! Aug 28 00:00:31 ka6sox: I would Aug 28 00:00:50 but I don't know enough to do it Aug 28 00:01:29 Tibfib: there's already novacom support over TCP for the emulator Aug 28 00:01:45 we should be able to do the same for a device as well I imagine Aug 28 00:01:56 that'd be awesome Aug 28 00:03:31 * EricBlade returns to tackle this stupid problem. gVoice is giving me a JSON block and a HTML block all wrapped in what is claimed to be a XML block. why? who the hell knows. it's a mofo to parse. Aug 28 00:06:22 EricBlade: how enterprisey Aug 28 00:06:24 =) Aug 28 00:06:58 zomg: i hate javascript, i don't know javascript, but i'm insistent that this can be done, i just haven't yet figured out how Aug 28 00:07:34 Is the result coming via an XMLHttpRequest? Aug 28 00:07:54 it's coming from enyo Aug 28 00:08:25 i'm getting it back as text at the moment Aug 28 00:08:41 oil: wirc is pretty good. how soon do you think there will be an Enyo build . Aug 28 00:08:45 EricBlade: responseText or something? Aug 28 00:08:58 Never used Enyo :P Aug 28 00:09:10 zomg: i guess so? i'm really not too familiar with the normal methods. about as familiar as i am with HP's framework -- not at all Aug 28 00:10:45 so, anyway, the JSON gives me a bunch of stuff and then I need to match up each block of the JSON with a block of the HTML Aug 28 00:10:56 anyone here knows how to start lxsession automatically after starting Ubuntu Chroot in xecutah? searched the forum and wiki and didnt find any direction for that Aug 28 00:11:09 Well it should be simple if you managed to get to the JSON :) Aug 28 00:11:35 zomg: that one was easy, a simple function call. getting any meaningful info out of the html is totally elusive Aug 28 00:12:41 Ah so it's just some blob of markup that you don't actually intend to put into the document? Aug 28 00:14:25 well i was going to just take the whole DIV and jam it in here, but i can't manage to locate the proper divs Aug 28 00:14:34 EricBlade: Yo dawg, we heard you like data, so here's data in your data so you can parse while you parse? Aug 28 00:15:08 Shadyman1: right Aug 28 00:15:27 robotek HD is fun Aug 28 00:15:30 and free Aug 28 00:15:35 ultimately, i'd like to actually seperate the useful data from the html, but first i need to locate the useful data Aug 28 00:16:30 Did you actually get the HTML parsed into an object or is it just a string? Aug 28 00:19:57 zomg: i've tried a few different things for trying to parse it, and i'm just not getting what i need here Aug 28 00:22:09 I wonder if DOMParser exists on webOS Aug 28 00:22:20 yes but it's blowing up all over the place on me Aug 28 00:22:55 if i run it on the whole string, i end up with the entire html section urlencoded .. if i run it just on the html section ,it throws error after error Aug 28 00:23:27 o_O Aug 28 00:31:19 either i'm retarded, or this is just not possible to do this from this direction Aug 28 00:31:38 or both Aug 28 00:32:26 even with the DOMParser, I can't figure out how to access anything once I get it parsed Aug 28 00:35:21 EricBlade: iirc it should produce a DOMDocument, then you can use stuff like doc.getElementById or whatever Aug 28 00:35:45 hey Aug 28 00:41:07 zomg: hmm. that might be a better approach. i'm trying that, now, though, but the JSON parser won't take it once it's in the form of a document Aug 28 00:41:42 Why would you need to give it to the JSON parser if it's a document? Aug 28 00:42:12 well i have a handle to the json block, but inside it is all text. and, it's now unhelpfully urlencoded Aug 28 00:42:57 If it's inside an element in the doc, it should be quite straightforward to extract the contents and then urldecode it Aug 28 00:50:34 i don't nkow. i'm going to go to sleep and then spend all day tomorrow trying to figure out why i can't get this :-S thanks for the help peoples :) Aug 28 00:50:35 bbl Aug 28 00:51:20 enyo tutorial is a bit messy Aug 28 00:51:37 too much jumping around and editing things Aug 28 00:52:23 yeah some guy on the forum railed on me yesterday for pointing that out Aug 28 00:52:34 really? Aug 28 00:52:34 i was like wtf? Aug 28 00:52:50 i spent an hour trying to debug why my app wasn't working Aug 28 00:53:00 and then i discovered it's because they added something to their query call Aug 28 00:53:09 yeah i just spent all day turning it into a half-working google app Aug 28 00:53:17 actually.. more like 1/8th working Aug 28 00:53:46 heading out now, though. i started on this at 6am when i couldn't sleep, and now i'm about to faceplant on the keys. good luck :) Aug 28 00:53:53 lol Aug 28 00:53:55 later Aug 28 00:57:54 okay, anyone up for a usability problem? Aug 28 00:58:00 no Aug 28 00:58:06 dawm's out Aug 28 00:58:19 robotek hd is great Aug 28 00:58:36 haeffb: you around? Aug 28 00:59:12 patrick..... Aug 28 00:59:27 dawm|laptop: cherish this time Aug 28 00:59:51 i just want to get him excited and then procrastinate another few months Aug 28 01:00:04 but with that.. the JS version of ailium is practically done Aug 28 01:00:11 i just need to rework it for touchpad Aug 28 01:00:17 Tibfib: what sort of usability problem? :P Aug 28 01:00:22 and finish it Aug 28 01:00:55 Soooo, in nomnomnom there are articles "cards": http://tibfib.com/wp-content/uploads/itemcards.png Aug 28 01:01:11 Currently they are dynamically built Aug 28 01:01:14 and in a snapscroller Aug 28 01:01:16 snapping per card Aug 28 01:01:30 however, the performance gets awful once you get around 40-50 cards Aug 28 01:01:41 load dynamically Aug 28 01:01:54 ... Aug 28 01:01:57 Tibfib: what dawm|laptop said Aug 28 01:02:04 right, I should delete them Aug 28 01:02:10 That's not a usability issue though :P Aug 28 01:02:15 LEMME FINISH DANGIt Aug 28 01:02:16 Tibfib: When one hits an index of -2, clear it out. Aug 28 01:02:21 as soon as one is offscreen load it with the prev/next data Aug 28 01:02:36 only keep like 4 or 6 offscreen Aug 28 01:02:37 Keep a record of what you're displaying, what you can display, and where you're displaying it Aug 28 01:02:46 dawm|laptop: see that's what I'd like to do Aug 28 01:03:17 also Aug 28 01:03:22 add some arrow keys at the bottom Aug 28 01:03:28 so you can cycle Aug 28 01:03:34 Tibfib: dawm|laptop is right. Aug 28 01:03:37 For once... Aug 28 01:03:39 the problem is, creating the card itself is fairly intensive Aug 28 01:03:53 enough that there is a little bit of lag while scrolling Aug 28 01:04:00 load offscreen Aug 28 01:04:06 enough that there is a little bit of lag while scrolling Aug 28 01:04:13 fix it then Aug 28 01:04:23 Tibfib please, continue Aug 28 01:04:27 make NomNomNom overclock TP to 2GHz Aug 28 01:04:28 why does my tp randomly 'sync accts' Aug 28 01:04:34 twbbas: yes please Aug 28 01:04:46 make NomNomNom close all other running apps Aug 28 01:04:55 Right, so I can mess with the dynamic rendering Aug 28 01:04:56 OR Aug 28 01:05:01 dynamic is the way to go Aug 28 01:05:08 no or Aug 28 01:05:12 there is a fancy virtual carousel kind that does this for you Aug 28 01:05:16 use that Aug 28 01:05:18 the issue is, it is full screen only Aug 28 01:05:22 oh lame Aug 28 01:05:28 recreate it Aug 28 01:05:29 Tibfib: Fuck that, dynamic Aug 28 01:05:42 fair enough. Aug 28 01:05:55 Tibfib: Also, offload all of your background processing to node Aug 28 01:06:03 kesne: planned Aug 28 01:06:26 Tibfib: Good. You can load and cache articles in the background, which would speed things up. Aug 28 01:06:35 Basically, all of your ajax should happen in Node Aug 28 01:11:03 are there any cheap screen protectors for the tp yet? Aug 28 01:11:09 so this was GOING to be a usability question.... >.< Aug 28 01:12:44 dawm: Slickdeals founds a few Aug 28 01:12:52 dawm: its called the palm cover Aug 28 01:12:53 get it Aug 28 01:12:55 be done Aug 28 01:13:03 ? Aug 28 01:15:17 the official palm case/cover thing Aug 28 01:15:23 it protects your screen Aug 28 01:15:28 fuck stickers Aug 28 01:15:35 i like stickers Aug 28 01:15:53 http://store.griffintechnology.com/tablet-1/hp-touchpad/screen-care-kit-hp-touchpad Aug 28 01:15:55 a brand i trust Aug 28 01:15:57 you'd like my birthday cards from my grandma then Aug 28 01:17:21 that griffen one is garbage Aug 28 01:17:29 i bought it Aug 28 01:17:29 Tibfib: yo dawg Aug 28 01:17:30 its crap Aug 28 01:17:33 get a zagg Aug 28 01:17:39 haeffb: hey Aug 28 01:17:41 nevermind for now Aug 28 01:17:47 but thanks :) Aug 28 01:17:48 EWWW Aug 28 01:17:50 Zagg... Aug 28 01:18:00 * kesne shudders... Aug 28 01:18:06 whats wrong with zagg Aug 28 01:18:07 wish i could remember where i got the one for my pre Aug 28 01:18:10 that one was awesome Aug 28 01:18:12 aside from their high prices Aug 28 01:20:01 i think it was phantom skinz Aug 28 01:23:26 they're $14.95 w/ coupon (and you get 2) Aug 28 01:25:08 heh Aug 28 01:25:18 cheapest 16gb TP on ebay is $219shipped Aug 28 01:25:37 ... more than 10 available. 16 sold Aug 28 01:25:45 zero rating seller Aug 28 01:26:46 outrageous Aug 28 01:31:17 hah Aug 28 01:31:36 i got a retweet.. altho it was in regards to something i retweeted so it doesnt really count Aug 28 01:31:45 http://twitter.com/#!/SirKneeland/status/107624403600289792 Aug 28 01:33:03 nutrageous Aug 28 01:34:16 geez.. when did patrick get a life? Aug 28 01:34:36 dawm: he must have taken yours. Aug 28 01:34:46 * haeffb still thinking about this Epic 4G on ebay Aug 28 01:34:50 yeah i havent been around much, other than idling Aug 28 01:35:01 haeffb: how much? Aug 28 01:35:14 $225 Aug 28 01:35:35 hmmm Aug 28 01:35:39 that's pretty good Aug 28 01:35:47 would help me decide whether to move to Android or iPhone Aug 28 01:36:08 in October when the iPhone comes to Sprint Aug 28 01:36:31 is it new? Aug 28 01:36:35 Hrm, somehow I doubt the validity of this: https://twitter.com/#!/HPhomeAU/status/107586269978177536 Aug 28 01:36:39 cause theres others cheaper even BIN's Aug 28 01:37:42 yep, theres one for $200 Aug 28 01:38:31 im waiting for it to drop, and maybe use my upgrade Aug 28 01:39:04 149 is still too much for me to blow on something that will be a dev device Aug 28 01:39:35 I need to upgrade two phones. If the iPhone is on Sprint in Oct...makes it a more difficult decision Aug 28 01:39:59 I figure playing with an Android phone now would help Aug 28 01:40:42 #3 HS football player in the country from Springfield (MO) Hillcrest on ESPN now Aug 28 01:41:04 just scored a TD Aug 28 01:41:34 blah blah Aug 28 01:41:57 anyone use advance browser and realize that flash video lags in it Aug 28 01:42:14 bliss. Aug 28 01:43:49 haeffb: where? Aug 28 01:46:34 where what? Aug 28 01:47:00 WHERE ARE THE COOKIES? Aug 28 01:47:59 Um... https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/anatomy-of-a-control.html Isn't it missing a { after create: function() ? Aug 28 01:48:31 shades: yep! Aug 28 01:48:38 congrats, you found a doc bug! Aug 28 01:48:50 the first doc bug ever!!! Aug 28 01:48:51 you win the prize of reporting it Aug 28 01:48:56 Tibfib: WOOT. Aug 28 01:49:00 can I have a cookie? Aug 28 01:49:02 s/first/millionth/ Aug 28 01:49:05 ^ Aug 28 01:49:09 the Cookies are gone. Aug 28 01:49:12 :( Aug 28 01:49:24 * Tibfib sneaks Shadyman1 a cookie Aug 28 01:49:24 Tibfib: found and stole them ALL Aug 28 01:49:25 I reject your reality and substitute my own. A reality with cookies. Aug 28 01:49:34 * Ironsight gives Shadyman1 a cookie Aug 28 01:49:44 * Tibfib takes back his snuck cookie Aug 28 01:49:52 giveToShadyman1(enyo.cookie.get("")); Aug 28 01:50:00 mmm, null cookie. Aug 28 01:50:16 less calories Aug 28 01:50:27 less flavor Aug 28 01:51:01 * haeffb still wonders what the hell kesne was wanting to know. Aug 28 01:51:20 I think where the epic was $200 Aug 28 01:51:29 * kesne forgot Aug 28 01:52:17 the football game is in Joplin Aug 28 01:52:18 Tibfib: Where the streets have no name? Aug 28 01:52:36 where the streets were ripped up and carried away Aug 28 01:53:07 Shadyman1: dang, a u2 and a mythbusters reference in the same hour. YOU'RE HIP Aug 28 01:53:41 Tibfib: YOU TAKE THAT BACK. :( Aug 28 01:53:48 Meanie. Aug 28 01:54:04 * Ironsight gives Shadyman1 his black 1950's glasses Aug 28 01:54:05 isn't U2 kind of .... uh ... old ? Aug 28 01:54:14 yeaaah Aug 28 01:54:22 is old hip now? Aug 28 01:54:24 Shadyman1: you're an older generation hipster Aug 28 01:54:25 reminds me of a joke... Aug 28 01:54:55 Tibfib: So, not a hipster hipster? Aug 28 01:55:06 an old hipster is not a hipster Aug 28 01:55:10 When I turned 40, my wife gave me a UB40 cd, when she did the next year, I gave her a cd aswell, U2 Aug 28 01:55:11 Good. Aug 28 01:55:11 I don't drink starbucks chai lattés. Aug 28 01:55:35 he lies Aug 28 01:55:49 Ironsight: that's not a joke. That's an amusing anecdote. Aug 28 01:56:13 The Aristocrats! Aug 28 01:56:27 s/joke/amusing anecdote there all fixed Aug 28 01:57:08 where have all the noobs gone? Aug 28 01:57:31 they are out doing fun stuff on a saturday night Aug 28 01:58:05 like going to a justin beiber concert, or watching saw 28 3D Aug 28 01:58:12 hey! Aug 28 01:58:31 * Tibfib likes that movie Aug 28 01:58:49 I wasn't going to see Glee until I found out it wasn in 3D...totally seals the deal for me Aug 28 01:58:58 s/wasn/was/ Aug 28 01:59:14 IT'S IN 3D?????? Aug 28 01:59:15 * Ironsight sticks Tibfib in a swimming pool full of razorblades and tells him to swim out... Aug 28 01:59:51 * Tibfib rides on sea turtle backs' to vitory Aug 28 01:59:55 hm. Aug 28 01:59:58 I think that means I lost. Aug 28 02:00:42 did you make a rope made from your own back hair? Aug 28 02:01:02 that hair is precious Aug 28 02:01:06 used head hair. Aug 28 02:01:13 lulz Aug 28 02:01:25 erggh, someone make nomnomnom render more dynamically Aug 28 02:01:36 or rather, smart about rendering dynamically Aug 28 02:01:41 * Ironsight gets back ontopic Aug 28 02:03:34 are app reviews stuck? Aug 28 02:03:47 ive had one waiting on a meta update for a couple days now Aug 28 02:03:58 I submitted one Sunday that was approved today Aug 28 02:04:03 or late yesterday Aug 28 02:04:13 its strange tho Aug 28 02:04:17 cause i updated 2 apps Aug 28 02:04:21 one got updated Aug 28 02:04:29 other has been ready for review for 2days Aug 28 02:05:36 Palm wants you to feel you're really getting your money's worth with these app reviews Aug 28 02:07:27 Is it difficult to port software from linux native to WebOS? The Transport tycoon seems to be identical to the ubuntu version Aug 28 02:07:55 probably not Aug 28 02:08:03 if it used SDL, chances are it was easy Aug 28 02:08:45 I'd be highly interested in a QtNX port, but unfortunately I don't have the skills to do it, nor the time to upskill. Aug 28 02:09:25 And I know at some point at least the Qt demo apps ran on WebOS. Aug 28 02:12:09 most wanted for touchpad: spotify app, hulu app, sms forwarding, strategy games Aug 28 02:12:14 and now, I'm off. Aug 28 02:13:09 what games? Aug 28 02:13:10 most wanted for touchpad: KOTO PLAYER Aug 28 02:13:27 Tibfib_: i'll give you things if you make it Aug 28 02:13:44 Is there a easy way to save websites to view offline for the touchpad? Right now i'm trying to run a spider on my PC to save a site in a HTML format, however it's taking a while and i haven't tested it yet Aug 28 02:18:21 I could do with xbmc remote, tapatalk, Napster, trillian or msn messenger, better browser, google voice Aug 28 02:46:41 who hollard Aug 28 02:56:13 what's the best terminal software for 3.x Aug 28 02:56:39 Xecutah Aug 28 02:57:27 the20yrlaptop: SDL stuff is trivial to port. folks can make easy money with such apps in the catalog. Aug 28 02:58:34 im trying to unzip a file on my TP Aug 28 02:58:50 hoping some sort of terminal program would work for that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 28 02:59:57 2011