**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:57 2011 Aug 30 03:00:04 EricBlade: The volume on the earphone jack blew me away with headphones. Musta been your ipod things. Aug 30 03:00:23 ed well, two years late Aug 30 03:00:24 apple negates Beats? :p Aug 30 03:00:26 probably. i do get a somewhat better sound through the FM-radio adapter in the car Aug 30 03:00:39 than with my ipod. but the radio in the car is a Ford, so it sucks Aug 30 03:00:45 the car is a Ford, so it sucks too Aug 30 03:00:53 :D Aug 30 03:03:57 so.. should I follow one of the stock common layouts for apps, or make my own stuff. Aug 30 03:04:14 keeping in mind that i have absolutely zero artistic ability Aug 30 03:04:49 goodnight everyone Aug 30 03:04:56 in that case, make your own stuff, of course. Aug 30 03:05:14 anyone drop $500 on beatd headphones yet? ;-) Aug 30 03:05:18 is it possible to access the accounts list, and get passwords from it? Aug 30 03:05:28 lowlevel: i have a friend that got $200 ones Aug 30 03:05:29 night Tibfib_ Aug 30 03:05:31 beats rather Aug 30 03:05:48 psh. If I'm going to spend 500 on headphones I'll go get another pair of shures. Aug 30 03:05:53 they sound pretty amazing on her iPhone, but not $200 amazing Aug 30 03:06:07 same here Aug 30 03:06:12 halfhalo yeah, beats headphones are overpriced and not very good for monitoring. Aug 30 03:06:40 yeah, looked like massive profit anyway Aug 30 03:06:59 I'd kill for a cheap set of grado cans right now Aug 30 03:07:05 Beats are like all other Monster products.. a way to dispose of hard earned income. Aug 30 03:07:15 yup Aug 30 03:07:19 * haeffb has hard earned income! Aug 30 03:07:21 college makes me broke lol Aug 30 03:07:26 where do I sign up? Aug 30 03:07:31 monoprice.com > monster cables ;-) Aug 30 03:07:36 college makes me broke until I get paid from college. Aug 30 03:07:55 coat hanger > monster cables Aug 30 03:08:36 beats is a better investment than monster cables Aug 30 03:08:48 Ryoken|Desktop someone was a pretty good guitarist (well, very good) on youtube, he was playing through a 50 watt marshall with yellow cables. Someone said "your tone is in those cables is it, where did you get them at?" he said "radio shack" :) Aug 30 03:09:32 I love how I get a BlackBerry Playbook ad on *Pre*Central Aug 30 03:09:44 I got in an argument at Radio Shack when they told me you Require monster cables to get true 1080p.. trying to sell me a hundred dollar 1.5ft cable.. Aug 30 03:10:05 Ryoken|Desktop yeah, the shack has gotten into the monster cable business now too. Aug 30 03:10:16 Ryoken|Desktop time to go to monoprice.com instead Aug 30 03:10:17 Why were you shopping at Radioshack to begin with..? :P Aug 30 03:10:30 Radio Shack is a lot like Monster Cables.. selling basic stuff at inflated prices :) Aug 30 03:10:59 all B&Ms do that Aug 30 03:11:38 Satellite you can get monster cables online too, so it's not neccesarily a B&M problem. :) Aug 30 03:12:02 as long as it's not an S&M problem, I'm fine Aug 30 03:12:18 well since B&Ms overprice everything, yes it is a B&M problem :) Aug 30 03:12:51 haeffb: ping Aug 30 03:12:54 also, I was in a town called Independance, Virginia, which had one street in the whole town, the main street. They had a movie theatre, a restaurant, and a Radio Shack. Before the internet, they were the best at being everywhere. Aug 30 03:13:44 wow, button states add a lot of (feeling) of extra value Aug 30 03:13:58 radioshack also used to be neat Aug 30 03:14:05 until they got rid of the radios Aug 30 03:14:14 contradude yeah, electronic parts, ftw. Aug 30 03:14:18 * Hendikins heads off to hand deliver his spare TouchPad to a mate in Brisbane who couldn't get one. Aug 30 03:14:20 now there is a place called skycraft in Orlando that's like that Aug 30 03:14:34 has like Apollo era NASA equipment on the walls Aug 30 03:14:45 I could waste a paycheck in there without blinking Aug 30 03:15:57 is there any chance of our browser getting more optimised? Aug 30 03:16:08 did they release the source to the ? Aug 30 03:16:12 pong Aug 30 03:16:12 contradude no Aug 30 03:16:14 *browser Aug 30 03:16:16 PatrickC_TP: Aug 30 03:16:25 contradude maybe HP will update things one last time. Aug 30 03:16:30 haeffb: what file would I look in for the sliding panes? Aug 30 03:16:42 do you think they will open source webos Aug 30 03:16:43 ? Aug 30 03:16:47 http://www.github.com/haeffb Aug 30 03:16:52 contradude I don't think so, they want someone to buy it. Aug 30 03:17:01 haeffb: I'm in the pondNotes repo Aug 30 03:17:17 they should stay in the software business Aug 30 03:17:26 contradude they should stay in business. Aug 30 03:17:28 become the next Microsoft, hopefully with less evil Aug 30 03:17:29 haeffb: I'm wondering which of the tons of files to look in :) Aug 30 03:17:40 https://github.com/haeffb/pondNotes/blob/master/notes/source/pondNotes.js Aug 30 03:17:46 they're not getting out of the software business. the software business is where they want to be. Aug 30 03:17:50 EdLin , they've been trying hard to kill themselves off Aug 30 03:17:51 sorry, just using the link myself Aug 30 03:17:57 contradude Apokathary is making it into the next SAP, not the next MS. Aug 30 03:18:13 or whatever his name is. Aug 30 03:18:18 Stupid products? Aug 30 03:18:25 I know who they are Aug 30 03:18:26 EdLin: I'd say it's neither SAP or MS. Aug 30 03:18:28 I hate AP Aug 30 03:18:31 *SAP Aug 30 03:18:44 and the touchpad's autocorrect Aug 30 03:18:48 contradude Apokathary used to be CEO of SAP, until he had to resign after 9 months after a scandal. Aug 30 03:18:50 haeffb: ah, I was looking at the noteview.is file Aug 30 03:18:51 js* Aug 30 03:19:19 EdLin: I know. he really should have given webOS a decent chance Aug 30 03:19:21 ...and I never claimed that I know what I'm doing... Aug 30 03:19:28 instead of the half arse thing Aug 30 03:19:41 thats true Aug 30 03:19:50 contradude he wanted it to fail, because he liked the idea of making HP into SAP. Aug 30 03:20:01 SAP is a clusterflump Aug 30 03:20:01 * haeffb slaps Bmyers with a small perch Aug 30 03:20:11 why would you want anything to suck that much Aug 30 03:20:12 (no large trout available at this time) Aug 30 03:20:12 ? Aug 30 03:20:18 This actually reminds me of a story from the Queensland railways where the crew replacing the sleepers on a branch line ran in to the crew ripping it up. Aug 30 03:20:30 contradude because if all you know is sucking, blowing sounds like a scary concept. Aug 30 03:20:35 out of season? Aug 30 03:20:55 EdLin lol. still makes me sad Aug 30 03:21:12 sorry, watching this weather gal on TV Aug 30 03:21:20 I bought the touchpad to remain a part of this incredible community Aug 30 03:21:30 she keeps gesturing Aug 30 03:21:36 it makes me sad to think this may be my last webOS device Aug 30 03:21:40 contradude I used to have a Pre, I know what you mean. Aug 30 03:22:07 Heh, I ordered a Pre2 the other day Aug 30 03:22:10 contradude I was a big Palm fanboy, loved PalmOS. Aug 30 03:22:12 Hendikins: uh. lol. Aug 30 03:22:24 I'm a Rom dev for an android Rom and the way webOS is setup is incredible. makes android look like a toy Aug 30 03:22:27 sold my pre 2 and bought touchpads instead Aug 30 03:22:29 but they got the support Aug 30 03:22:57 hpshopping.com was selling off most of their phones for $99 Aug 30 03:23:07 * haeffb heard betamax was better than VHS too Aug 30 03:23:10 haeffb: The thing is though, you can see the similarity. One side of the company trying to get things working and in to the market whilst another part is killing it. Aug 30 03:23:15 EdLin: I owned a tapwave Zodiac2 before my treo755p Aug 30 03:23:17 hmm. is there something i need to do to include an image into my package? Aug 30 03:23:18 contradude Android doesn't have much of Linux under the hood, it's a kernel, and enough stuff to make Davlik run, and that's about it. Aug 30 03:23:29 betamax was better but vhs had porn.. Aug 30 03:23:31 http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/handheld/iPAQ/1/storefronts/FB324AA%2523ABA Aug 30 03:23:50 contradude cool, I have a treo 680, had a Centro, and have a T|X. Aug 30 03:23:57 Bmyers: never heard that explanation before. But that would explain it. Aug 30 03:24:12 again, completely true.. Aug 30 03:24:17 Hendikins: definitely. It's sad. but true. Aug 30 03:24:34 :-( Aug 30 03:24:39 but wait. webos has porn, doesn't it? Aug 30 03:24:49 Shadyman love that URL, iPaq. lol Aug 30 03:24:52 well I'll be here until the end Aug 30 03:24:54 tiny toons.. Aug 30 03:24:57 EdLin: I know :x Aug 30 03:25:01 tastie toons.. Aug 30 03:25:31 Shadyman I was worried that HP would iPaq Palm, had no idea that they'd jettison Personal Systems. Aug 30 03:25:38 sigh. that's probably not enough to save webOS Aug 30 03:25:40 Hmm. How strong does the pre2 touchstone hold teh phone? I'm thinking of mounting a touchstone in my car Aug 30 03:25:53 Shadyman if it's like the Pre-, not very. Aug 30 03:26:04 * haeffb uses one in my truck Aug 30 03:26:07 EdLin: PSG isn't going anywhere. If anything, in a year or so, it'll move to, like, HP Computers or something Aug 30 03:26:10 open source seems to me the way Aug 30 03:26:22 Shadyman yeah, someone will buy it. Aug 30 03:26:28 if you were a hardware manufacturer Aug 30 03:26:39 Not sure they'll sell PSG.. HP's the #1 PC manufacturer in the world Aug 30 03:26:41 and hp came to you and said Aug 30 03:27:01 Shadyman make that "was", that's exactly what they said they're doing in an SEC filing. Aug 30 03:27:14 "hey, palm went down in flames, we cut our losses and ran, but you should by this os from us".. Aug 30 03:27:20 the fatal flaw for Betamax was its tapes were limited to 60 minutes - not long enough for a movie. Aug 30 03:27:21 what would you say? Aug 30 03:27:25 EdLin: Eh Aug 30 03:27:37 Shadyman selling PSG Aug 30 03:27:37 Depends what the SEC says, then Aug 30 03:27:49 Shadyman the SEC won't protest. Aug 30 03:28:13 PCs are low margin Aug 30 03:28:20 ^ Aug 30 03:28:32 software, high margin ? Aug 30 03:28:39 Tablets are low margin, unless you're Apple Aug 30 03:28:42 not from where I'm standing Aug 30 03:28:45 heh Aug 30 03:28:48 but maybe its my platform.. Aug 30 03:28:50 Shadyman as Doctor Kevorkian said, there is nothing against the law about death. If HP wants to commit suicide, that's not the SEC's concern. Aug 30 03:28:59 EdLin: Heh. Aug 30 03:29:06 hmm. i'm trying to put an icon on my titlebar, and it just doesn't seem to be accessing it. following the example in StyleMatters, and it's just not doing it :| Aug 30 03:29:11 * EdLin steals a line from Wall Street Journal Aug 30 03:29:15 the real issue though was - VHS had more rental movies (like say .. apps!) and once it won that war, better tech didnt matter. Aug 30 03:29:20 for what it REALLY cost HP, they could have made it a sucess Aug 30 03:29:40 the SEC and the Government should be concerned Aug 30 03:29:49 ^ Aug 30 03:29:50 if HP goes under, it's another big hit on the defecit Aug 30 03:29:56 fxspec06_ lol Aug 30 03:29:58 rwatkins: yep. I still can't play Netflix on my TouchPad Aug 30 03:30:24 HP's PSG, if it were its own company, would supposedly be a Fortune-60 company. Aug 30 03:30:24 :( Aug 30 03:30:45 playon.com Aug 30 03:30:46 Shadyman that doesn't surprise me, PSG is 40% of HP Aug 30 03:30:50 yep Aug 30 03:31:04 i like playon's workaround for running there software on a mac Aug 30 03:31:16 they tell you to get a PC Aug 30 03:31:21 haha Aug 30 03:31:32 lol Aug 30 03:31:41 or run a VM Aug 30 03:31:42 that's lazy though Aug 30 03:31:58 orb works really well Aug 30 03:32:02 but i guess i'm lazy because my game doesn't run on iOS Aug 30 03:32:05 lazy, or a small company focusing on the correct, larger market? Aug 30 03:32:05 and its free Aug 30 03:32:09 haeffb: a touchstone in your truck? Aug 30 03:32:19 Bmyers opendns says they aren't responding Aug 30 03:32:22 rwatkins: yep, that's right too Aug 30 03:32:58 for playon you mean? Aug 30 03:33:10 yeah Aug 30 03:33:29 oh, its playon.tv Aug 30 03:33:32 haeffb: you aren't on the WOR forums? Aug 30 03:33:37 Shadyman: yes. it's mounted on a horizontal surface, and works fine Aug 30 03:33:42 * EdLin spanks contradude for posting the wrong URL Aug 30 03:33:42 is a Chroot of android possible? Aug 30 03:33:44 you sure it's not playon.words Aug 30 03:33:46 haeffb: Sexy. Aug 30 03:34:01 yeah. you should see the photo Aug 30 03:34:10 fxspec06_ lol Aug 30 03:34:16 * contradude fails at life Aug 30 03:34:31 haeffb: http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/FB337AA%2523AC3 + http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/FB338AA%2523AC3 ftw? Aug 30 03:34:54 Not that I really have horizontal surfaces in the car.. Aug 30 03:34:56 contradude anything is possible, practical is another story. Aug 30 03:35:04 oh man $30 online Aug 30 03:35:05 =O Aug 30 03:35:09 oh, yes, I have an HP vehicle power charger Aug 30 03:35:19 oh nvm, that's the old one. Aug 30 03:35:23 ^ Aug 30 03:35:39 touchstone for touchpads are $35 in-store, IIRC Aug 30 03:35:40 I was in the probable category Aug 30 03:35:51 and the jeep has an AC inverter that works OK too Aug 30 03:35:52 i was in walmart and they're still $80 Aug 30 03:36:00 eww Aug 30 03:36:09 staples was $40, but i couldn't get out there today Aug 30 03:36:09 fxspec06_: offer them $20 and see if they bite Aug 30 03:36:09 eewww Aug 30 03:36:10 fxspec06_: Get them to ring it up/pricecheck it. Aug 30 03:36:15 you were AT walmart? Aug 30 03:36:19 ^ Aug 30 03:36:27 most stores haven't even gotten around to printing the new tags yet Aug 30 03:36:29 you got to admit, he was brave to admit to being there. Aug 30 03:36:29 yes, walmart has good prices Aug 30 03:36:36 walmart is illegal in NYC. Aug 30 03:36:38 as it's usually a once-a-week thing Aug 30 03:36:46 i happily pay MORE and go local when i can Aug 30 03:36:51 where I live, walmart is middle-upper class Aug 30 03:37:07 walmart is also the closest place to my house that sells anything Aug 30 03:37:09 11 bux for a quart of rustoleum, SOLD.. at least i dont have to go to walmart Aug 30 03:37:10 haeffb downtown detroit? Aug 30 03:37:12 there's lower than walmart Aug 30 03:37:17 haeffb: If your idea of going high-brow is shopping at Walmart, Youuuuuu might be a redneck. Aug 30 03:37:20 * Shadyman ducks Aug 30 03:37:28 "might" ? Aug 30 03:37:31 argh.. metrix locked up my browser again... Aug 30 03:37:58 how can HP Play take 4 hours to sync 3,000 songs Aug 30 03:37:58 who hollard Aug 30 03:38:06 and then take 15 mins to sync 1,500 Aug 30 03:38:08 haeffb ah, wrong geographical disadvantage. Aug 30 03:38:12 i don't get it Aug 30 03:38:38 does your walmart have a mcdonalds? Aug 30 03:38:54 no, but my mcdonalds has french fries Aug 30 03:39:01 and chicken nuggets Aug 30 03:39:03 french cuisine Aug 30 03:39:19 my walmart has an AWESOME subway Aug 30 03:39:42 nope. mine has a Mc-eD's Aug 30 03:39:46 why would you want to eat in a walmart, is my question Aug 30 03:40:03 because it's cheap Aug 30 03:40:05 my walmart has nothing but an auto center Aug 30 03:40:07 it's not Aug 30 03:40:08 and convenient Aug 30 03:40:12 fxspec06_ "awesome" and "subway" shows you've never eaten in a real deli in your life. Aug 30 03:40:13 they dont have a $ menu there Aug 30 03:40:14 $5 footlong? Aug 30 03:40:24 it tastes good Aug 30 03:40:27 it's too small to have a "restaurant" Aug 30 03:40:30 i've eaten at a deli too Aug 30 03:40:38 it's just nice to have fast food every now and then Aug 30 03:40:48 i don't have it often, so i sure as hell enjoy it when i do Aug 30 03:40:56 and i'm allowed to Aug 30 03:41:03 becasue i'm an american Aug 30 03:41:12 lol Aug 30 03:41:29 tim hortons or die.. Aug 30 03:41:39 :D Aug 30 03:41:49 * haeffb is almost ashamed to admit...my walmart isn't "super" Aug 30 03:42:07 you can't even buy a steak there Aug 30 03:42:07 cause u live in mizzura Aug 30 03:42:25 tunein is a great app Aug 30 03:42:29 =( neither is mine. i have to go another 20 mins (either east or north) to find a "super" wally world Aug 30 03:42:37 meh. Sam Walton was born and raised in mizzura Aug 30 03:42:48 i can literally go 20 mins in any direction and hit a walmart tho Aug 30 03:42:58 including 3 mins from my house Aug 30 03:43:28 timbits... Aug 30 03:43:37 nom Aug 30 03:43:53 u must be a canuk Aug 30 03:44:04 any decent touchpad sip solution? Aug 30 03:44:06 or in maine or something Aug 30 03:44:54 canuckerrific Aug 30 03:45:21 MA Aug 30 03:47:25 was it difficult to go from mojo to enyo? Aug 30 03:47:36 no Aug 30 03:47:53 only for the first few days Aug 30 03:48:33 thinking of porting an app from mojo to enyo just for the halibut Aug 30 03:49:10 well, started really but Aug 30 03:49:29 then an earthwuake hit, then a hurricane Aug 30 03:49:34 then the great flood.. Aug 30 03:49:46 Bmyers do it, Touchpad phone-app emulation sucks. Aug 30 03:49:47 damn, someone really doesn't want you to port that Aug 30 03:49:56 prolly snow this week Aug 30 03:50:05 please, for the love of god, don't port your app to enyo! Aug 30 03:50:14 EdLin: it does Aug 30 03:50:14 no more disasters Aug 30 03:50:30 fxspec06_: the earth has no gravity Aug 30 03:50:40 it just sucks.. Aug 30 03:50:52 damnit! i believe in gravity Aug 30 03:51:13 Bmyers plus, from a marketing perspective, you'll have twice as many entries in the app catalog for your app, one with the coveted "touchpad" status. Aug 30 03:51:41 p.s. my app is a mojo app, runs full screen, and has the coveted "touchpad" status Aug 30 03:51:45 just some ajax stuff with a web db backend Aug 30 03:51:49 and it's HD, awesome etc Aug 30 03:51:56 fxspec06_ cool. :) Aug 30 03:52:06 so you don't NEED to port to enyo. it can be done in MOJO w/ same effect Aug 30 03:52:23 but learning enyo is fun. and kinda neccessary if you want to keep moving forward Aug 30 03:52:25 i suppose. you changed the window thing ? Aug 30 03:52:41 or mode 2 Aug 30 03:52:44 Bmyers: add "uiRevision": 2 to your appinfo.json Aug 30 03:52:45 whatever it is Aug 30 03:52:46 I do kind of wish that HP hadn't done a new framework. Aug 30 03:52:55 "uiRevision":"2" Aug 30 03:52:59 right Aug 30 03:53:05 yeah what haeffb said Aug 30 03:53:06 fxspec06_: no "2" Aug 30 03:53:11 just 2 Aug 30 03:53:13 i'm gonna try that right now and see what happens Aug 30 03:53:22 I wish HP would put the new framework on old phones :) Aug 30 03:53:22 * haeffb ducks! Aug 30 03:53:24 it works either way for me Aug 30 03:53:31 any enyo apps flagged 'Pre3' in the app catalog yet? Aug 30 03:53:49 if they really think enyo is better and they want people to use it Aug 30 03:53:50 fxspec06_: yes, but you're special Aug 30 03:53:54 lol Aug 30 03:53:59 it can't only be for touchpads and those small number of pre3s Aug 30 03:54:19 special, i most certainly am. in more ways than one. and most, not the good kind Aug 30 03:54:22 dwc- HP wants people to use WebOS?! Aug 30 03:54:40 oh yea... Aug 30 03:54:47 HP wants the opposite of people to use webOS Aug 30 03:55:00 so that would mean that HP wants webOS to use people Aug 30 03:55:05 Samsung perhaps the savior. Aug 30 03:55:18 in Soviet RUSSIA, WebOS uses YOU! Aug 30 03:55:56 * EdLin goes back to lurking and not recycling ancient memes Aug 30 03:56:13 inSoviet Russia, memes recycle YOU. Aug 30 03:56:14 * haeffb doesn't have a windows PC, so playon.tv ain't gonna cut it Aug 30 03:56:49 at my desk at the moment - OSX laptop, Win7 PC, Ubuntu file server. Aug 30 03:56:55 * haeffb goes to finish Dumb & Dumber on the TouchPad Aug 30 03:57:07 haeffb: you dont have a PC? Aug 30 03:57:11 oh, and touch TouchPads and a Pre2 I guess. Aug 30 03:57:14 * fxspec06_ would rather look at his 47" HDTV Aug 30 03:57:21 s/touch/two/ Aug 30 03:57:25 Bmyers mac Aug 30 03:57:32 technically I could dual boot to Win7. But I don't *want* to. Aug 30 03:57:33 cross platform FTW! Aug 30 03:57:45 when did u get that? Aug 30 03:57:58 * fxspec06_ was here when he got that Aug 30 03:58:00 i think Aug 30 03:58:07 or he deleted windows off his PC Aug 30 03:58:23 hm.. Aug 30 03:58:28 Ubuntu Aug 30 03:58:39 oh right.. Aug 30 03:58:44 sugardave: wanna b Aug 30 03:58:56 wait...if I ran Win7, I COULD JUST WATCH NETFLIX ON MY LAPTOP Aug 30 03:59:08 and playon.tv would be irrelevant Aug 30 03:59:10 brilliant Aug 30 03:59:14 haeffb DRM and Linux don't mix. Aug 30 03:59:32 at least, desktop linux. Aug 30 03:59:36 well, so long and thanks for all the fish haeffb Aug 30 03:59:38 Android is trying to go there. Aug 30 03:59:57 haeffb: now that's the way to use your head Aug 30 04:00:05 or I could watch netflix on my TV like fxspec06_ Aug 30 04:00:19 even better Aug 30 04:00:19 but you CANT watch porn on your betamax Aug 30 04:00:27 are you sure? Aug 30 04:00:37 and I can't hold my TV in my lap Aug 30 04:00:44 i wikapedia'd it Aug 30 04:00:46 its true Aug 30 04:00:53 haeffb and you can't watch porn with your TV in your lap Aug 30 04:00:54 it was on the internet? Aug 30 04:01:09 yup, i worked the google machine and checked Aug 30 04:01:10 EdLin: true. The TV keeps falling off my lap Aug 30 04:01:32 and, with that, I'm done for the evening Aug 30 04:01:55 l8r haeffb Aug 30 04:02:00 see ya Aug 30 04:02:16 time for me to make like a baby and head out Aug 30 04:02:28 c ya! Aug 30 04:02:44 i've been syncing music since i woke up this morning Aug 30 04:02:53 it's still going Aug 30 04:02:56 unbelievable Aug 30 04:03:00 fxspec06_ sounds like you're getting a syncing feeling. Aug 30 04:03:13 lol Aug 30 04:03:26 fxspec06_ with what software, HP? Aug 30 04:03:32 fxspec06_ use doubletwist. Aug 30 04:03:33 yep Aug 30 04:03:44 i may have to doctor Aug 30 04:04:12 I use doubletwist, synced several gigs in less than 30 minutes. Aug 30 04:04:19 much less Aug 30 04:04:37 i tried doubletwist back in the pre days, but i stopped using it mainly because it wouldn't sync my playlist names on the pad Aug 30 04:04:44 on the pre* Aug 30 04:04:51 but that was limitation of the pre Aug 30 04:04:53 maybe they've fixed that. Aug 30 04:04:57 yeah Aug 30 04:05:17 but i still need to get these stupid undeletable playlists off somehow Aug 30 04:05:19 babys head out? I would have thought that would have ended in "pooping" Aug 30 04:05:45 dwc-: that's old school Aug 30 04:05:45 i should hack the music app Aug 30 04:05:47 dwc- birth of a baby, I guess. Aug 30 04:05:57 i'm gonna import the music app into eclipse Aug 30 04:06:01 dwc- though for you, the two are identical Aug 30 04:06:02 titanium* Aug 30 04:06:07 and write my own damn script Aug 30 04:06:14 and just delete ALL THE PLAYLISTS Aug 30 04:06:17 MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Aug 30 04:06:54 then i'll fix everything that's broken with it Aug 30 04:07:02 and never tell anyone and keep for myself Aug 30 04:07:06 then you'll have doubletwist. Aug 30 04:07:09 MUAHAHA MUAHAHA MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA Aug 30 04:07:40 * EdLin wanders off Aug 30 04:07:42 brb Aug 30 04:07:48 "make like a tree and leave" "make like a banana and split" we're talking 1970's memes Aug 30 04:08:10 before there was even a concept of memes Aug 30 04:08:21 this is it, the end of the line Aug 30 04:08:36 i spend all day, and damn thing still puts tons of dupes on it Aug 30 04:08:43 FU, hp play. Aug 30 04:08:50 time to get an iPad Aug 30 04:08:53 for real Aug 30 04:09:10 or stop listening to music. your choice. Aug 30 04:09:21 the fact that every six pack comes out when I'm working frustrates me Aug 30 04:09:22 ar Aug 30 04:12:10 how do you use HP play on touchpad? Aug 30 04:13:03 music app Aug 30 04:14:03 yayayayayyyyyyy Aug 30 04:14:05 onclick_btnDeletePlaylist: function (sender, event) Aug 30 04:14:05 { Aug 30 04:14:05 this.$.popupConfirmDelete.openAtCenter(); Aug 30 04:14:05 }, Aug 30 04:14:05 Aug 30 04:14:06 Aug 30 04:14:06 onConfirmDelete: function () Aug 30 04:14:07 { Aug 30 04:14:07 this.log(); Aug 30 04:14:08 this.deletePlaylist(); Aug 30 04:14:08 this.$.popupConfirmDelete.close(); Aug 30 04:14:09 }, Aug 30 04:14:14 (sorry for hijack) Aug 30 04:14:19 I see Aug 30 04:15:59 people are stupid Aug 30 04:17:15 "I cant log into your app, why?" when the error message says specificaly "No Instapaper subscription found for Paper Mache requires you have a paid Instapaper subscription. blah bla" Aug 30 04:17:27 READ Aug 30 04:17:36 READ PEOPLE READ! Aug 30 04:17:39 I'm so sorry man Aug 30 04:18:04 lots of dumb users out there now Aug 30 04:18:26 indeed. Aug 30 04:18:36 let us take care of support >:-) Aug 30 04:18:54 its like the second line of the app description in the catalog too. Aug 30 04:19:30 users just install like everything Aug 30 04:19:41 and hope it all works Aug 30 04:19:54 I would think an app thats essentially all about long form reading .. people might .. read? but no. Aug 30 04:20:41 lol Aug 30 04:21:01 seriously though Aug 30 04:21:15 send support to the precentral.net forums Aug 30 04:21:19 You'd think the bright red text in the store might be a hint too Aug 30 04:21:47 OMG I DID IT Aug 30 04:21:49 THEY'RE GONE Aug 30 04:21:52 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 30 04:22:05 * fxspec06_ is a l33t hax0r Aug 30 04:22:20 lll Aug 30 04:22:20 and a genius Aug 30 04:22:23 and a scholar Aug 30 04:22:25 lol Aug 30 04:22:35 and a gentleman Aug 30 04:22:41 lol Aug 30 04:23:17 lmao Aug 30 04:23:27 now i have to get rid of this code....... Aug 30 04:23:38 because it deletes the playlist every time you play a song on the playlist Aug 30 04:23:39 lmao Aug 30 04:24:04 hiiiiii Aug 30 04:24:07 woooooo that was actually easier than i thought it'd be Aug 30 04:24:12 hi Oot Aug 30 04:25:16 fxspec06_ is also someone who uses the enter key too much ;) Aug 30 04:26:16 lol, yes this is true Aug 30 04:27:14 especially late at night when my mind is not where it should be Aug 30 04:29:35 he knows I use my enter key too much? XD Aug 30 04:49:48 http://dev.dorothybrowser.com/2011/07/15/1310718300000.html + pdk Aug 30 05:01:59 My modal dialog isn't popping up, even though I called this.$.dialogName.openAtCenter(). Thoughts? Aug 30 05:03:32 Everything else on the card's GUI is frozen, so I'm guessing it pops up *under* everything else :x Aug 30 05:07:03 well, now I just have to wait for my DNS to finish Aug 30 05:07:14 and my new domain, and email accounts will be ready :) Aug 30 05:07:25 hey dkirker Aug 30 05:07:32 hi Aug 30 05:17:29 Woo Aug 30 05:19:07 well this might be a dumb question, but i don't really see any examples in the examples .. say i have two panes, and i want to have a list in one of them with selectable items that will load data in the other one. much like the mail app, or any other app. guess i'm going pretty "standard" :D .. what sort of control would i use for the selectable items? Aug 30 05:21:07 Likely a VirtualList or Repeater Aug 30 05:22:45 Keane: what? Aug 30 05:23:35 yes, but what do i use to contain the content, between the VirtualList and the content Aug 30 05:23:39 PatrickC_TP: Keane is a british band. Aug 30 05:23:46 i'm going with buttons for the moment, though it's terribly ugly Aug 30 05:24:33 wow.. stupid auto correct lol Aug 30 05:24:44 EricBlade: huh? Aug 30 05:24:49 * PatrickC_TP adds kesne to autocorrect Aug 30 05:25:22 kesne*: what happened? :) Aug 30 05:25:32 rwatkins: my existing VirtualRepeater has Items inside it, with dividers and buttons and stuff inside that Aug 30 05:25:35 PatrickC_TP: 5000 downloads hapened. Aug 30 05:25:39 on? Aug 30 05:25:53 EricBlade: I need something similar, so let me know what you find :) Aug 30 05:26:01 PatrickC_TP: Camera Aug 30 05:26:06 AWESOME1 Aug 30 05:26:08 !* Aug 30 05:26:14 the camera app`? Aug 30 05:26:21 I bet the promo had something to do with it.. since they did it 2 times.. Aug 30 05:26:46 kesne: so can you tell how many codes they gave out for each 6pack ? Aug 30 05:26:52 so on Item click fire an event, then have the container of the two panes tell the other pane to load the correct thing. Aug 30 05:26:58 rwhitby: 1000 Aug 30 05:27:25 kesne: is that public knowledge, or something you were told in confidence? Aug 30 05:27:36 rwhitby: We just complained a bit, and all of the failed transactions were dumped into the regular ones. Aug 30 05:27:43 rwhitby: I was told nothing in confidence. Aug 30 05:27:55 rwhitby: You guys were just as surprised as I was about this. Aug 30 05:27:55 kesne: thanks Aug 30 05:28:17 rwhitby: Also, that 1000 numbers is based on what I can see from numbers, I may be off Aug 30 05:28:35 rwatkins: so, just use Items? Aug 30 05:29:01 EricBlade: its not totally clear to me what your doing, but my app is structured very much like the email app. Aug 30 05:29:09 kesne: you get reimbursed for this, right? Aug 30 05:29:53 I use SlidingPane and Views. One view contains a VirtualList of SwipeableItems Aug 30 05:30:04 PatrickC_TP: Mmhm Aug 30 05:30:16 rwhitby: is your app open source? Aug 30 05:30:26 I use sliding panes and I'm having trouble Aug 30 05:30:30 kesne: awesome! Aug 30 05:30:30 onclick of an item in that list, I call an "onSelect" event that the containing Pane uses to then call into the "Content" view. Aug 30 05:30:43 kesne: how's the villo site coming? Aug 30 05:30:50 * PatrickC_TP hasn't checked to see if it was up yet Aug 30 05:31:00 PatrickC_TP: I told you, 2 months Aug 30 05:31:18 the entire site/service is down for 2 months? Aug 30 05:31:44 I'm not asking about the new one, but rather the old one Aug 30 05:32:04 which seems to be back up Aug 30 05:32:48 is there a function that gets called after create()? These modaldialogs don't like being called from create() Aug 30 05:33:03 they show up behind my sliding panes :( Aug 30 05:33:17 ready() Aug 30 05:33:22 oo Aug 30 05:33:57 I'm off to bed, night all Aug 30 05:34:07 Nite PatrickC_TP Aug 30 05:34:10 but if your talking popups you may want componentsReady(). read the docs. Aug 30 05:34:13 EricBlade: email me what you find out :) Aug 30 05:34:17 night Shadyman Aug 30 05:34:43 PatrickC_TP: It's up Aug 30 05:34:46 PatrickC_TP: looks like "Item" is fine, might need to style it though Aug 30 05:34:54 EricBlade: cool Aug 30 05:34:59 kesne: I saw Aug 30 05:35:06 I just decided to go to the site lol Aug 30 05:35:13 I came, I saw, then I had lumber. Aug 30 05:36:45 Okay WTF. I've got to be doing something wrong. this.$.popup.openAtCenter() doesn't work in ready() either.. still ends up behind the slidingpanels. Is there some kind of bring-to-front function? Aug 30 05:37:24 Shadyman: Call it onload Aug 30 05:37:26 I'm doing an "if username cookie... else popup asking for login/password Aug 30 05:37:36 hmm. it's probably bad when you lock Chrome up Aug 30 05:38:09 kesne: onLoad of what? Aug 30 05:38:34 Shadyman: The app? Aug 30 05:38:38 hm Aug 30 05:39:11 Shadyman: Aug 30 05:39:12 Uh Aug 30 05:39:23 Shadyman: debug in Chrome. read console messages. Aug 30 05:39:27 {kind: "ApplicationEvents", onload: "onload"} Aug 30 05:39:33 make an onload function Aug 30 05:39:34 BAM Aug 30 05:39:49 EricBlade: that's not usually a good thing lol Aug 30 05:51:22 kesne: BAM it is. Aug 30 05:51:39 Shadyman: I know my stuff Aug 30 05:51:44 kesne: I just had to nuke the .openAtCenter from create() first :P Aug 30 05:51:47 Hey, it's Jack87 Aug 30 05:51:53 Otherwise it never actually "loads" Aug 30 05:52:56 Derp Aug 30 05:52:58 Shadyman: Well duh Aug 30 05:54:48 kesne: hello! Aug 30 05:55:20 did you ever get a reply back for your email? Aug 30 05:56:38 hmm. i want to have the things stay obviously selected somehow. item not good for that apparently Aug 30 05:57:23 rwhitby: I believe HP told one of the blog reporters 1000 was the limit for each code they could do Aug 30 05:57:44 but told another blog they have ability to do unlimited Aug 30 05:57:46 haha Aug 30 05:58:14 but in the end they ended up leaving the 1000 limit from what I have observed Aug 30 05:59:28 kesne: good call on making camera app :-) Aug 30 05:59:41 Jack87: Heh, yeah Aug 30 05:59:43 Jack87: Nope Aug 30 06:02:52 is it possible to make a sliding pane that can be adjusted so that the two panels take up whatever sizes the user wants? Aug 30 06:03:00 EricBlade: Yes. Aug 30 06:03:25 I've just never done it before. Aug 30 06:03:31 The options are there, though Aug 30 06:04:11 I have Aug 30 06:04:13 i will research Aug 30 06:04:20 kesne: You would :p Aug 30 06:04:56 nice thing about this, is it allows a retard like me to actually build an interface that isn't total garbage. on the other hand, the default interface looks so boring Aug 30 06:05:30 EricBlade: Just set width: "203px" Aug 30 06:07:31 So what's the deal with no HWACCEL in SDL? Where is the limitation at? Aug 30 06:08:59 kesne: ? Aug 30 06:09:12 EricBlade: To change it Aug 30 06:09:17 Parse user input Aug 30 06:09:32 well yes i see that, but i thought perhaps there was a built in way to let the user just use the slide toolbar things to move them Aug 30 06:10:13 oh Aug 30 06:10:49 hmm. my gf just yelled "MY TOUCHPAD DOESN'T HAVE ANY SOUND" .. uh oh Aug 30 06:13:58 EricBlade: Take a Slider thingy (forgot the kind name), divide it by 100, times it by 1024 (assuming landscape), and set the width of one of the panes to that, and flex the other one. Aug 30 06:23:34 hmm. oh well. it'd be nice to have that built in. i don't really want to write custom junk to deal with the dragging, since i have no idea what i'm doing yet Aug 30 06:25:55 Hey can anyone help me with an Eclipse build problem? Aug 30 06:28:13 EricBlade: It's easy Aug 30 06:28:44 ninudesi: What's up? Aug 30 06:29:05 ninudesi: I just installed the SDK Aug 30 06:29:06 [02:24am] neer2005: k Aug 30 06:29:06 [02:24am] ninudesi: went through https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/eclipse.html#starting-the-application Aug 30 06:29:06 [02:24am] neer2005: kk Aug 30 06:29:06 [02:24am] ninudesi: but I don't see Aug 30 06:29:07 [02:24am] ninudesi: Run > Run Configuration .... Mojo Aug 30 06:29:07 [02:24am] ninudesi: as a choice Aug 30 06:29:07 [02:24am] ninudesi: Mojo's nowhere there at all Aug 30 06:29:08 [02:24am] ninudesi: lol Aug 30 06:29:15 sooo that's my problem Aug 30 06:29:23 I just got my TouchPad and I wanted to start developing on it Aug 30 06:29:26 What do you see? Aug 30 06:29:48 okay so in Run > Run Configuration Aug 30 06:29:54 I see....... Aug 30 06:30:14 Http preview, iron python run, iron python unitted, java applete, java application, jython run Aug 30 06:30:16 jython unittest Aug 30 06:30:26 pydev django.... etc etc. then WebOS Application Aug 30 06:30:29 and XSL Aug 30 06:30:37 that sounds like a nightmare Aug 30 06:30:44 ninudesi: "webOS Application" Aug 30 06:30:51 right so I did that Aug 30 06:31:07 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/eclipse.html#starting-the-application Aug 30 06:31:12 says from their latest documentation Aug 30 06:31:18 it should be "Mojo" Aug 30 06:31:27 It doesn't matter Aug 30 06:31:30 webOS == Mojo Aug 30 06:31:33 webOS also == Enyo Aug 30 06:32:17 gahhh okay Aug 30 06:33:02 http://ericbla.de/gva.jpg Aug 30 06:33:22 EricBlade: There's already a GV Text app Aug 30 06:33:35 i didn't write that one though :) Aug 30 06:33:45 heh Aug 30 06:34:01 soooooo Aug 30 06:34:03 novacom error: err -99 "Command: run file:///bin/mkdir -p /media/internal/.developer Aug 30 06:34:04 Reply:req:auth" Aug 30 06:34:05 and from what i saw on the reviews of the existing ones, they don't even have a call option Aug 30 06:34:10 that's the error I'm getting now Aug 30 06:34:46 EricBlade: Make the app prettier Aug 30 06:35:05 i would love to, the default enyo stuff is -so- bland. Aug 30 06:35:11 Widen the left column Aug 30 06:35:18 EricBlade: Not if you knoe how to use it ;) Aug 30 06:35:22 ^ Aug 30 06:35:40 kesne: i don't.. yet. Aug 30 06:35:50 EricBlade: Then don't blame Enyo ;) Aug 30 06:36:04 i'm not blaming it as a whole, just it's default Aug 30 06:36:49 Even its default can be sexy Aug 30 06:37:04 * rwhitby prefs bland interfaces that don't get in the way of the content Aug 30 06:37:34 I'll pay more for no unnecessary decorations that have no contextual purpose Aug 30 06:37:58 * EricBlade posts the current version for $5 ;) Aug 30 06:38:01 jk Aug 30 06:38:56 actually, i just noticed something there looking at those shots.. in Chrome, i'm able to access people's pictures, just by taking the url that google feeds me, and adding https://www.google.com/ in front of it. that doesn't work on device Aug 30 06:38:57 @EricBlade or @kesne can you guys please help Aug 30 06:39:06 I can't even get a simple helloworld to work here Aug 30 06:39:08 I'd pay for a version I could run on my phone Aug 30 06:39:21 ninudesi: i just use Komodo Edit, i have no idea what you're getting int Aug 30 06:39:21 I did the Run > Run Configuration Aug 30 06:39:52 so you don't use Eclipse at all? Aug 30 06:40:03 i don't even know what Eclipse is Aug 30 06:40:24 ninudesi: I use Eclipse, but I set it up about 2 years ago and haven't touched it since. Aug 30 06:40:33 hahaha Aug 30 06:40:40 yeah I'm more of an iOS dev myself Aug 30 06:40:42 so I'm always on Xcode Aug 30 06:40:49 Ew Aug 30 06:40:58 okay no hating....I'm Android also Aug 30 06:41:05 that's why I use Eclipse Aug 30 06:41:11 You're all macs! Aug 30 06:41:12 i just copied the enyo toolkit to c:\src\enyo, made a dir called c:\src\webos, make a new project dir inside that one, and then start following the tutorial Aug 30 06:41:27 Notepad++ Aug 30 06:41:37 Dashcode Aug 30 06:41:42 TextMate peeps Aug 30 06:41:45 it's sooo sexy Aug 30 06:41:54 cat > $filename Aug 30 06:42:05 so simple, no advanced features and always works Aug 30 06:42:30 okay so are you doing all terminal based compilation then Aug 30 06:42:30 ? Aug 30 06:42:53 no, I cheated, I used eclipse Aug 30 06:43:05 spent the first 7 hours of my coding window making it.... almost work Aug 30 06:43:14 hey Freman sooo if you are using Eclipse Aug 30 06:43:16 please help me out Aug 30 06:43:24 I can't even get F'ing helloworld to work here Aug 30 06:43:30 wasn't saying it was working :D Aug 30 06:43:32 installed everything Aug 30 06:43:34 LOLOL Aug 30 06:44:01 but run > run configurations Aug 30 06:44:05 and did the WebOS option Aug 30 06:44:24 Main, Target, Parameters, and Common Aug 30 06:44:24 you've booted the emulater once? Aug 30 06:44:31 yeah..... Aug 30 06:44:37 emulator works Aug 30 06:44:40 like a champ Aug 30 06:44:45 cos the emulater option didn't show for me until I ran it once Aug 30 06:45:03 are you on a Mac or PC? Aug 30 06:46:08 wow, i can tell i'm learning a new programming language. i just looked up and noticed i had 120 tabs open Aug 30 06:46:58 hehe Aug 30 06:47:10 I found the api page and had 2 tabs open both with ctrl+f hooked up Aug 30 06:47:28 ninudesi pc Aug 30 06:47:39 okay np Aug 30 06:48:07 sooo when I just did a basic File > New > Basic Application Aug 30 06:48:13 just set it to be "Camera" Aug 30 06:48:19 then went to Run > Run Configuration Aug 30 06:48:26 chose WebOS ...created a profile Aug 30 06:48:34 then when I try to run the app....... Aug 30 06:48:54 I get this.... Aug 30 06:49:02 novacom error: err -99 "Command: run file:///bin/mkdir -p /media/internal/.developer Reply:req:auth" Aug 30 06:49:23 *blink* Aug 30 06:49:28 yeah exactly! Aug 30 06:49:29 lol Aug 30 06:49:31 that looks like it's trying to run on a tablet Aug 30 06:49:45 I do have my touchpad plugged in Aug 30 06:50:02 okay unplugged it Aug 30 06:50:04 let's try now Aug 30 06:50:20 new error? Aug 30 06:51:08 yes Aug 30 06:51:10 you're right Aug 30 06:51:13 ....now it says... Aug 30 06:51:29 unable to find default device Aug 30 06:52:32 req:auth? do you have a developer-mode password set? Aug 30 06:52:35 developer mode is ON for the touchpad Aug 30 06:52:43 EEeekkkk you're right Aug 30 06:52:46 lemme turn that shit off Aug 30 06:55:58 dwc- that’s how i know the error ;) Aug 30 06:56:19 novaterm -c login Aug 30 06:56:20 go back into your run configuration and make sure it’s pointed at the emulater (easiest way is to leave the tablet unplugged for this step) Aug 30 06:56:26 oh Aug 30 06:56:34 Shadyman yes, that’s how I removed the password :D Aug 30 07:03:59 I started the Emulator and my macbook air fans go on full force Aug 30 07:04:03 shiiiiiieeeet Aug 30 07:06:25 yayyyyy and it works Aug 30 07:06:32 Thanks guys :) Aug 30 07:06:54 Okay now question.... how can I get the same HelloWorld app running on the hardware? Aug 30 07:07:07 I know the password on the TouchPad Aug 30 07:07:35 how are you supposed to send the password into Eclipse Aug 30 07:07:47 to authenticate when pushing the app over since that's what's failing Aug 30 07:21:34 i think you're not supposed to set the password on the device. there's a command line switch to at least some of the utilities to provide the password, but i have no idea what Aug 30 07:22:21 yeah soooo i have set a password Aug 30 07:22:28 but now when I want to remove it Aug 30 07:22:31 it won't remove it Aug 30 07:22:35 #FAIL Aug 30 07:22:46 it won't let me Aug 30 07:25:01 ninudesi: which os are you using? Aug 30 07:25:12 latest Aug 30 07:25:14 3.0.2 Aug 30 07:25:27 on the other machine... Aug 30 07:25:41 I'm on Mac OSX Aug 30 07:25:53 10.6.8 Aug 30 07:26:01 is there a novacom for osx? Aug 30 07:26:09 pretty sure Aug 30 07:26:15 it's built in Aug 30 07:26:47 someone mentioned earlier Aug 30 07:26:48 novaterm -c login Aug 30 07:27:32 yes Aug 30 07:27:35 erm Aug 30 07:27:42 in windows, if I do a: Aug 30 07:27:51 novacom -c login -r my_password_here Aug 30 07:28:04 commands following that will work fine as if there was no password Aug 30 07:28:18 okay but when I do novaterm -c login Aug 30 07:28:25 within Terminal on OSX Aug 30 07:28:40 how does it know to connect with my TouchPad? Aug 30 07:30:01 I bet it installs a driver Aug 30 07:30:09 just usb vid/pid, I imagine... Aug 30 07:30:17 yeah Aug 30 07:30:22 okay well I ran that Aug 30 07:30:40 can you try: novacom -c login -r whatever_your_password_is Aug 30 07:30:40 ? Aug 30 07:30:40 output --> "Device does not require authentication" Aug 30 07:31:53 okay soooo Aug 30 07:32:10 novaterm -c -r my_password Aug 30 07:32:27 yields .... that "unsupported command(-r)" Aug 30 07:32:34 you need a command to follow -c Aug 30 07:32:53 gahhh -c login your'e right Aug 30 07:32:54 one sec. Aug 30 07:33:34 okay it executed it Aug 30 07:33:46 and received another command prompt Aug 30 07:33:48 done Aug 30 07:34:23 @booto you are the MAN Aug 30 07:34:28 installed on the Tablet OS Aug 30 07:34:29 :) Aug 30 07:34:32 *touchpad Aug 30 07:34:36 ROCK ON brotha Aug 30 07:35:08 ty very much :D Aug 30 07:35:40 np (I went through exactly the same annoyance after setting a password but w/ win7 as the pc-side os) Aug 30 07:36:10 yeah dude what a waste of a ngiht Aug 30 07:36:14 it's 3:32am Aug 30 07:36:15 lol Aug 30 07:36:17 hehe Aug 30 07:36:23 spent 6hrs on this shit Aug 30 07:36:25 trying to figure it out Aug 30 07:36:35 sounds like my friday lasat week Aug 30 07:36:43 that'll teach you to set a password ;) Aug 30 07:36:44 soooo is there a way to make this so it's not showing up as a Palm Pre device Aug 30 07:36:58 but as a full screen touchpad? Aug 30 07:38:29 rwhitby i found my way to dev before finding any dev - and being security concious, when presented with the opertunity to set a password, i did :) Aug 30 07:40:08 ninudesi yes “uiRevision”: 2 Aug 30 07:40:25 Freman: if I have physical access to your device, I can remove your password with two commands from a connected computer. Aug 30 07:40:32 needs to go in appinfo.json Aug 30 07:40:37 should that go into your JSON parameter set Aug 30 07:40:42 when compiling? Aug 30 07:40:48 in run config? Aug 30 07:40:55 oh k k k Aug 30 07:40:58 makes sense Aug 30 07:41:31 rwhitby I know that, but when I found the development app I wasn’t sure it was just usb or wireless too Aug 30 07:42:46 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/config/appinfo.json.html Aug 30 07:43:05 Hey all you people thanks so much for all your help Aug 30 07:43:16 im out...good night and best of luck developing Aug 30 07:43:23 I'm going to push for developing a camera app Aug 30 07:43:30 and putting it out on the market within a week or so Aug 30 07:43:41 if you all want to help collaborate lemme know Aug 30 07:43:47 ninu AT ninu DOT net Aug 30 07:44:29 there needs to be a camera app on this device stock Aug 30 07:45:59 there are camera apps already Aug 30 07:46:22 any that are free? Aug 30 07:46:23 please do tell Aug 30 07:46:26 I haven't seen any Aug 30 07:46:28 yep Aug 30 07:46:41 name? Aug 30 07:46:52 thats because the catalog is pretty bad at promoting things that are actually good Aug 30 07:47:00 digilife search for that Aug 30 07:47:11 i think that's what it's called Aug 30 07:47:36 the one thats .99 cents is free too with a promo code, expires today or tomororw Aug 30 07:47:51 all those promo codes are invalid Aug 30 07:47:52 US promocode ;) Aug 30 07:47:57 i've tried so many of them Aug 30 07:48:12 on the web and all of them yield an output saying .... yeah we're sorry it's been used up too many times Aug 30 07:48:14 no good Aug 30 07:49:05 anyway, for example pandora... didn't think webos had the pandora app because when i click music and look at 'top' apps Aug 30 07:49:18 you'd expect the app with 4,000+ reviews to be there... Aug 30 07:49:31 oh its there if you scroll twice down... Aug 30 07:49:36 HAHA Aug 30 07:51:11 well cool thanks for heads up Aug 30 07:51:21 have a good night @plov Aug 30 07:51:24 ciao Aug 30 08:59:57 now... do I motivate myself to code... or do I allow fatigue to take me over Aug 30 09:16:22 I think it’s time for an early night Aug 30 09:45:16 installing package Downloads/com.palm.app.kindle_0.10.494660_all.ipk on device "mantaray-linux" Aug 30 09:45:21 wonder what this'll do :) Aug 30 09:50:27 nope. display doesn't scale, and refuses to log me in due to a supposed lack of interwobbles Aug 30 11:21:42 hi guys ;) Aug 30 11:43:13 good morning all. Can you remove feeds that are added in preware? Aug 30 11:43:35 yes, swipe to delete Aug 30 11:44:30 sweet, I knew it was going to be something simple....thanks rwhitby. Aug 30 11:47:05 having trouble adding the kernel feed, what is the address for that one? Aug 30 11:58:48 would be sweet if webos 3.1 is going to be a MAJOR update Aug 30 11:59:05 for the f kernels Aug 30 11:59:23 only ones I can find 1.5 and stock Aug 30 12:01:09 Well I have to give Telstra credit for something - mirror.aarnet.edu.au is unmetered over 3G. Nice when I decide to mess with the Ubuntu chroot and I'm not at home. Aug 30 12:02:40 is preware.is.awesome.com not correct? Aug 30 12:03:12 beerock: read and follow the Testing Feeds page *PRECISELY* Aug 30 12:03:34 one mistake, and it will not work. If it doesn't work, you've made a mistake. Read it again. Aug 30 12:04:57 And if you're not prepared for the risk of hosing your device... leave the kernel testing feeds alone. Aug 30 12:06:25 Since 8 June 2011 access to webOS app catalog feeds is no longer available to third party developers or applications. Aug 30 12:06:32 what does that mean rwhitby ? Aug 30 12:06:40 you get access to the web os app catalog feeds? Aug 30 12:06:49 No, it means you don't. Aug 30 12:06:49 not since 8 June Aug 30 12:07:12 right, just wondering if some people close to the webos team do Aug 30 12:07:32 it's either public or it's not. there is no middle ground. Aug 30 12:07:40 I still think that was silly - I don't even look at apps on my phones outside of preware now. Aug 30 12:09:03 A question - how easily can you find the total number of webOS apps in the official app catalog? Aug 30 12:09:34 how easily? Aug 30 12:10:00 yes, can you tell me the total number of webOS apps in the official app catalog Aug 30 12:10:25 no, i have no clue Aug 30 12:10:27 when the feeds were open, you could see it in Preware Aug 30 12:11:57 i dont understand the point of this :c Aug 30 12:12:34 if you don't want people to know how many apps are in your catalog, what's an easy way to stop it? close the feeds. Aug 30 12:13:03 oh ok, that's the reason why they closed it? seems silly Aug 30 12:13:12 i dont know why thats closed info Aug 30 12:13:47 there was no specific reason given for closing them Aug 30 12:14:30 oh ok.. then whyd you bring it up heh Aug 30 12:15:13 21:32 plov: Since 8 June 2011 access to webOS app catalog feeds is no longer available to third party developers or applications. Aug 30 12:15:17 you brought it up. Aug 30 12:15:25 and asked me what it meant Aug 30 12:15:56 well i meant the # of apps in the app catalog Aug 30 12:16:09 oh, draw your own conclusions from that. Aug 30 12:16:10 * rwhitby bbl Aug 30 12:26:37 i see some kernel and patches for 3.0.3, how Aug 30 12:26:46 some people have access to 3.0.3? Aug 30 12:27:06 * beerock is re-reading more............. Aug 30 12:30:13 that took care of it, thanks for the support rwhitby, I did not know the names of the feeds were important Aug 30 13:46:46 beerock: the shouting in step 1 wasn't clear enough? Aug 30 13:47:00 "If you make any error in this feed name, the URL below will not be replaced by the real URL when the device is rebooted, and you will not get access to the feeds. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE FEED NAME CORRECT!" Aug 30 14:04:58 is it possible that stock music app media permissions have been revoked -.- Aug 30 14:19:20 Well, I'm down to a single TouchPad now. Aug 30 14:21:58 I'm minus a Pre+ too. Aug 30 14:28:41 hardware dissolves? Aug 30 14:29:40 well i just doctored Aug 30 14:30:39 couldn't stand it any longer Aug 30 14:30:41 dwc-: Nah. Flogged TouchPad #2 and Touchstone #2 to a webOS user in Brisbane at cost, and the phone went too for an as yet to be determined sum. Aug 30 14:31:17 His Pre+ is scratched to buggery, and I don't use mine. Aug 30 15:00:00 sooo... I have way to many phones on me atm. Aug 30 15:03:45 getting weird looks for having the Pre r and veer out at the same time Aug 30 15:08:13 I get weird looks for having two, but with >1.0 phones per capita in Australia, some people must have two or more. Aug 30 15:08:38 I have four on me Aug 30 15:08:53 That would be a bit much. Aug 30 15:09:13 two pre 2's, a veer, and a winphone Aug 30 15:09:33 * Hendikins carries a Pre2 and a Veer. Aug 30 15:09:58 the pre 2's are purely for monopoly in class Aug 30 15:10:32 My Pre2 is my personal phone. My work SIM is in the Veer. Aug 30 15:11:17 the veer has my Sim in it and is acting as a hotspot for the other devices Aug 30 15:24:52 wooo buying an online book in class using tablet Aug 30 15:30:55 hello how could i install synergy on hp touchpad Aug 30 15:32:08 omg Aug 30 15:32:11 http://t.co/cZQhwhE Aug 30 15:32:22 "In an interview with Reuters, HP's personal systems group executive vice president Todd Bradley said HP recognizes the importance of tablet computing and may consider bringing back the TouchPad." Aug 30 15:32:44 lol Aug 30 15:33:12 they're sooo unorganized Aug 30 15:33:24 no kidding Aug 30 15:33:30 they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery ¬_¬ Aug 30 15:34:24 it's funny though, that only after they've sold like a million of these things and ppl want more, that NOW they realize it's an importance Aug 30 15:35:35 remains to be seen if they can sell them at $250 rather than $100 though. Aug 30 15:36:29 they'll need a new product at this point Aug 30 15:36:32 http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/30/hp-could-revive-the-touchpad-says-former-webos-vp/ Aug 30 15:36:39 nobody will buy them at 250 when they realize they could have got them at 100 Aug 30 15:37:45 well I'm sure they have a nice, clear, well thought out plan if they do decide to reverse and re-enter the market. Aug 30 15:37:51 not. Aug 30 15:39:05 lol, yeah. Aug 30 15:39:17 dgarbs: I think a lot of people would buy them at $250. selling something for $100 on sale doesn't make it worth $100 Aug 30 15:39:24 time to sell to samsung, as even if they go back, webOS is not ever going to be a priority for Leo. Aug 30 15:39:40 or get a new CEO. Aug 30 15:40:25 samsung is interested more in bada than webos. they have launched a new version of bada and an ad service for it, recently Aug 30 15:42:37 bada's big in asia. but a bust outside. Aug 30 15:43:11 who buys a wave when they can have a galaxy? Aug 30 15:50:05 So I'm working through learning the enyo API, I'm mostly following along with the tutorial application on the palm site, and I got that working, so I decided to take a look at the reference docs and set up a slidingPane layout Aug 30 15:50:06 http://pastie.org/2454956 Aug 30 15:50:52 That's the code I got, and it doesn't exactly work. All that I see rendered is two distinct grey sections, the right one showing a drop shadow over the left - I assume that the sliding pane layout. Aug 30 15:50:57 But the content isn't loading =\ Aug 30 15:57:26 hardware people are probably all fired now Aug 30 15:57:56 but now would be a good time for a new CEO though Aug 30 16:13:05 Ebonwumon: you load this up in Chrome and run the Insepctor and review for any errors in the console? Aug 30 16:15:49 no errors rwatkins Aug 30 16:16:25 Ebonwumon: sounds like time for a few "this.log()" in most of your functions. Aug 30 16:17:01 That'll log to the console? Aug 30 16:17:11 yes and indicate which function is logging Aug 30 16:17:53 you can also set break points in Chrome an explore the call stack, etc. Aug 30 16:22:20 Okay cool. None of my functions are being called. So now that I'm not operating under that assumption I can probably fix the problem. Thanks rwatkins. Aug 30 16:31:45 HP!! I don't want a discount on your printers!! I want you to bring back the TouchPAd!! :) Aug 30 16:32:18 lol Aug 30 16:32:23 just got t hat email as well Aug 30 16:32:25 you knew they were collecting those emails for some other purpose than just alertiing you, right? Aug 30 16:34:12 Wait how much of a discount on printers are we talking here? Aug 30 16:34:17 * Ebonwumon didn't get such an email :( Aug 30 16:34:37 25% Aug 30 16:34:51 "You'll save 25% off all printers, ink, HP accessories, and PCs starting at or above $599." Aug 30 16:36:27 I got that just now as well Aug 30 16:36:39 Sweet sweet deal Aug 30 16:36:52 ESP on ink Aug 30 16:37:06 i like how they say yea more touchpads definitely early last week... 1 week + later and there might not even be any Aug 30 16:37:26 ctladvance: you're going to order 600$ worth of ink? Aug 30 16:37:39 I have a feeling that they relaunch at a higher price Aug 30 16:37:59 They are prob also waiting for all touchpads to come back to them Aug 30 16:38:08 yea rumor article that they may start production again Aug 30 16:38:16 I see 199 and 299 Aug 30 16:38:23 I bet they still sell out Aug 30 16:38:38 nah, 250-300~ Aug 30 16:38:48 or 350 Aug 30 16:39:07 350 is too steep Aug 30 16:39:30 they go for 250-300 on ebay right now, i dont know why they would price lower when people want to buy for that much Aug 30 16:39:58 I wondered this before the rumors Aug 30 16:40:08 If HP has all touchpads then they co Aug 30 16:40:16 Completely control price Aug 30 16:40:21 either way i dont think they would be able to stay competitve even at that price with amazon coming out with a dirt cheap tablet Aug 30 16:40:36 They could find that 300 still sells out Aug 30 16:41:01 Can't compare to amazon till it's released Aug 30 16:41:28 well i meant in the 'long' run Aug 30 16:41:39 because the amazon tablet will be more appealing unless it really sucks Aug 30 16:41:48 since its an android tablet Aug 30 16:42:31 Well depends if it's 3.0 or 2.3 Aug 30 16:43:05 If it's 2.3 it will suck, unless amazon subs the price with kindle and amazon app and shopping store Aug 30 16:43:21 it'll be honeycomb i'm sure, i mean it really doesn't cost them more for going honeycomb Aug 30 16:43:55 price will be subsidized that's why it'll be 'cheap' Aug 30 16:43:56 They prob can't use honey comb if they make to many amazon changes Aug 30 16:44:03 i'm guessing 300$~ pricing Aug 30 16:44:18 Remember this only works if amazon makes money off it Aug 30 16:44:22 hey, I didn't get a 25% off hp printers Aug 30 16:44:44 hp printers are like free lol Aug 30 16:44:55 they'll give them away for all they care Aug 30 16:44:56 dwc-: it has to be $599 or more Aug 30 16:44:58 Google blocks the use of 3.0 if you customize Aug 30 16:45:01 Slot Aug 30 16:45:07 A lot Aug 30 16:45:27 Printers don't have to be Aug 30 16:45:29 Only pcs Aug 30 16:45:39 Ink is also 25 off Aug 30 16:45:51 I can stock up my officejet pro Aug 30 16:45:54 ctladvance: amazon has the second largest android store i think, (behind the actual android market) so i'm guessing thats how they'll regain profit, push kindle/their own app store Aug 30 16:46:33 You have completely missed mu comment Aug 30 16:46:35 Google has very strict rules on honeycomb Aug 30 16:47:02 i never heard of that Aug 30 16:47:04 They may not allow amazon to completely amazon out a tablet Aug 30 16:47:13 Thus they need to use 2.3 Aug 30 16:47:33 Yes, this is why 3.2 source isn't out Aug 30 16:48:01 well it isn't out because it's not released Aug 30 16:49:20 oh actually it's out Aug 30 16:49:58 Well 3.0 and 3.1 source isn't out either Aug 30 16:50:50 "The TouchPad could be resurrected" lol are you kidding me Aug 30 16:50:52 Touchwiz on 3.0 is very scaled back, it's also why they took extra time to launch it Aug 30 16:50:58 no, there's a reason for that Aug 30 16:51:11 for some of the 3.x source not being released, forgot the reason why Aug 30 16:51:18 Google is controlling the source they even admitted it Aug 30 16:51:25 right Aug 30 16:51:32 They have a pr for it Aug 30 16:51:39 there's a reason why, i forgot, they mentioned it at google io Aug 30 16:51:52 but it has nothing to do with skins Aug 30 16:51:55 They are controlling it based on customizations Aug 30 16:51:59 Yes it does Aug 30 16:52:05 Okay, I just got the email - you lot neglected to mention that PCs are included in their 25% off offer. Aug 30 16:52:14 They want a similar ui across all of it Aug 30 16:52:20 no, someone mentioned that Aug 30 16:52:47 You lot neglected to bold it, mention my name in the line and scream it in all caps until I came out of my slumber and noticed it. Aug 30 16:52:51 =P Aug 30 16:53:27 Ebonwumon: "You'll save 25% off all printers, ink, HP accessories, and PCs starting at or above $599." :P Aug 30 16:53:41 regardless anyway, the amazon tablet is a go Aug 30 16:53:51 (20 mins ago) Aug 30 16:54:48 and they dont need to do any major skins for it, all they have to do is emphasis kindle app / buying kindle books and their own app market Aug 30 16:55:28 Yes, but I am not sure I that is in violation of the 3.0 rules :) Aug 30 16:55:29 We shall see Aug 30 16:56:04 I don't think it will matter when windows 8 launches on arm Aug 30 16:56:11 none of it is, because if google didn't want there to be other app stores, they wouldnt allow anyone to run one Aug 30 16:56:15 People will adopt that Aug 30 16:56:40 but yea basically i don't think hp should be caring so much about how to capitalize on more touchpad sales and more focus on webos Aug 30 16:56:58 or else they'll never have people wanting a touchpad unless its 100$ Aug 30 16:59:15 which seems kind of hard considering how hp loses anyone with talent Aug 30 17:16:20 * jmichaelx is growing ever fonder of his touchpad Aug 30 17:16:56 its ok Aug 30 17:17:37 well, i also have little to compare it to, besides my low-end android phone (of which i am also fond) Aug 30 17:17:39 touchpads are awesome Aug 30 17:17:52 i had an iPad 2 Aug 30 17:18:03 but didnt like it, and apple have this 14 day return policy in the uk Aug 30 17:18:05 so just took it back Aug 30 17:18:09 the touchpad is much cooler Aug 30 17:18:20 of course it was only £89 compared to £500 for the iPad Aug 30 17:18:25 which may have something to do with it... Aug 30 17:18:48 plus, i am really looking forward to installing the chrooted ubuntu, which would not be an option on many devices Aug 30 17:19:18 needs headphone out, physical keyboard, and some sd slots, full usb slot wouldnt be bad eitherl Aug 30 17:19:20 Okay, so I'm trying to get a Toolbar on top of a SlidingPane. And I want the toobar to span all of the panes, without breaks in between. Aug 30 17:19:49 yea, i paid $129... there is just no arguing with it having been that cheap.... but alas, these tablets are worth a lot more than that Aug 30 17:20:26 My concern with what HP did is it might lower the value of a tablet in the public eye. Aug 30 17:20:40 DaMummy|PND: i admit to having been baffled by the lack of SD card slot Aug 30 17:21:31 default touchpad sucks, why no filebrowser? Aug 30 17:21:39 i'm mad (or sad) that these six-pack deals are lasting only a few hours Aug 30 17:21:48 Why is there a need for a file browser DaMummy|PND? Aug 30 17:21:54 I got mine for 125 Aug 30 17:21:59 clear Aug 30 17:22:00 32gb Aug 30 17:22:02 seriously, how do people keep scatching these up within an hour of release Aug 30 17:22:07 no filebrowser is another downer, but android is the same way Aug 30 17:22:37 Because there are so few of them Aug 30 17:22:47 i am going to die laughing if the "cancelation" ends up being a marketing stunt Aug 30 17:22:55 that would be genius Aug 30 17:23:07 i keep loling at the 'while supplies last' line Aug 30 17:23:12 just because apple has managed to dumb down the personal computer, doesnt mean everyone should follow suit Aug 30 17:23:21 Ebonwumon: oh, so after they screw thereselves over, they manage to screw over everyone else's profit margins? Aug 30 17:23:23 cxreg: yes.. it would be clever Aug 30 17:23:27 that might not be *too* bad ..... Aug 30 17:23:45 cxreg: that would be hilarious, although i really do think that HP has no idea what its doing Aug 30 17:23:50 i agree, sadly Aug 30 17:23:58 i dont mind rooting and enabling homebrew, but that shouldnt be necessary to play a video file, and delete a text file off your tablet Aug 30 17:24:11 dwc-, that's the thing though. Companies will NEVER sacrifice profit margins (HP nonwithstanding, they're incompetent). So that means either no more tablets, or tablets will become cheap pieces of crap. Aug 30 17:24:38 you can profit on loss leaders Aug 30 17:24:45 Sony subsidizes their PS3, why shouldn't HP subsidize their tablet... Aug 30 17:24:46 definitely Aug 30 17:24:46 cf. game consoles Aug 30 17:24:51 pakl: i thought so too Aug 30 17:25:00 they should have done this from day one Aug 30 17:25:11 because sony makes it up on video games many times faster than HP will at 30% of $1 apps Aug 30 17:25:12 sell a million of them at dirt cheap Aug 30 17:25:13 get a market Aug 30 17:25:22 DaMummy|PND: then buy the kalemsoft video player Aug 30 17:25:37 dwc-: microsoft always benefitted from piracy, and even encouraged it secretly Aug 30 17:25:43 for the xbox 3rd parties essentially insisted that microsft lower the price of the console and take a cut of game sales. Aug 30 17:25:53 mindshare and marketshare are extremely valuable, worth more than the sale price Aug 30 17:26:09 cxreg: the idea of pricing these things the same as touchpad 2's was the first indication that things were not going to go well Aug 30 17:26:13 No one is going to buy enough applications for HP to recoup the 200$ they lost on each and every tablet Aug 30 17:26:31 apps. accessories. printer ink. ... Aug 30 17:26:53 no, those are lost dollars. but a living platform means interested buyers which means profits Aug 30 17:27:18 rrix: right, but if these things had been priced at $299/$399, instead of $499/$599, they might have had something Aug 30 17:27:20 better than losing $1.2B :p Aug 30 17:27:27 jmichaelx: they still wouldn't be making money Aug 30 17:27:41 The cost of parts alone on these are 320$ Aug 30 17:27:58 Factor in marketing, R&D, salaries, and you're losing massive amounts of money Aug 30 17:28:00 The thing is how many people want a tablet, and if they do, do they want any tablet, or an iPad Aug 30 17:28:04 rrix: no, but they'd be close to breaking even, and if they were going to have any chance of getting a foot in the market, it would have taken that Aug 30 17:28:10 You can say "mindshare" at the end of the day, but mindshare doesn't pay bills. Aug 30 17:28:25 ctladvance: how'd you get 125? Aug 30 17:28:33 rrix, being top north american computer manufacturer does. Aug 30 17:28:36 for 1.2 billion they could sell 500k a month for 24 months at a $200 loss each. Aug 30 17:28:37 They have enough in the bank to do it Aug 30 17:28:37 marketing? what marketing? lmao Aug 30 17:28:42 I got a 30/ discount Aug 30 17:28:42 i never ever saw a touchpad ad Aug 30 17:28:51 and i just want a 32gb... i've been trying to get one for 3 weeks now... (maybe more) Aug 30 17:29:07 i saw touchpad ads on hulu.... buti don't own a TV Aug 30 17:29:10 I want a pandapad Aug 30 17:29:12 why'd you get a discount? one of those online codes? :) Aug 30 17:29:22 Save30hp Aug 30 17:29:27 Ebonwumon: "shareholder value". You can't just burn through billions of dollars in the short term for theoreitcal longterm gains. Shareholders will murder you Aug 30 17:29:49 I got.a case as well to push me over 150 Aug 30 17:29:51 rrix: Not necessarily. One word: Bing. Aug 30 17:29:51 rrix - better to announce the 'change of plan' and lose $20 billion in market cap? Aug 30 17:30:31 Bing has had tons of money dumped on it, now it is starting to pay off Aug 30 17:30:40 so did Xbox. Aug 30 17:30:45 And pay off big it may Aug 30 17:30:48 Yep Aug 30 17:30:51 Well, Microsoft still spent $2b on Bing... Aug 30 17:30:52 so did IE. Aug 30 17:30:54 *spend Aug 30 17:31:05 spend on IE killed Netscape. Aug 30 17:31:09 IE isn't in the same scale as Bing ;) Aug 30 17:31:15 btw, did anyone besides the market analysts hear the part where HP lowered guidance for Q4 Aug 30 17:31:36 And bing will start to recoup at this rate it should pass google in 5 to 10 years in the us Aug 30 17:31:53 Bing peered search Aug 30 17:31:58 * jmichaelx vaguely hopes that samsung winds up with webOS Aug 30 17:31:59 Powered Aug 30 17:32:03 ...nah. Bing won't overtake Google, but you can still make a lot of money being the 2nd biggest ad network. Aug 30 17:32:29 If enough money is dumped into it, it will Aug 30 17:32:31 ctladvance: i used that one for the docks i ordered Aug 30 17:32:36 Were approaching 40/ estimates Aug 30 17:33:36 What should have happened is Nokia should have bought Palm instead of HP, but the timing made is impossible. Aug 30 17:33:43 *it Aug 30 17:34:02 HaloMan: ugh, please no Aug 30 17:34:04 By the time Palm came to sell, Nokia's new CEO wasn't in charge yet. Aug 30 17:34:08 Nokia is a sinking ship. Aug 30 17:34:24 Nokia is a sinking ship because they didn't have a platform. Aug 30 17:34:32 nokia keeps buying platforms Aug 30 17:34:36 and failing to do anything with them Aug 30 17:34:36 Nokia is a sinking ship because they had too many platforms. Aug 30 17:34:37 If they'd bought WebOS, it would have sold all their problems. They're good at hardware too. Aug 30 17:34:48 anyone know if you can get a veer via the developer device program? i see them on ebay for $150ish Aug 30 17:34:51 ...they had lots of incomplete or old-fashioned platforms. Aug 30 17:35:18 Also, they could have used the Palm brand in the US Aug 30 17:35:21 exactly what Nokia needed "oh, here's yet another platform we're thinkign about ..." Aug 30 17:35:41 Maemo/Maego isn't finished. Symbian was too old and incompentent. Dumping the lot for WebOS would have been a perfectly sound strategy Aug 30 17:36:17 and would they have the balls to just say "We dump it all now, go build webOS!" I think no. Aug 30 17:36:37 they can barely try and say that now with WP7. Aug 30 17:36:39 rwatkins: I think so. That's what they're doing with Windows Phone, which is a bigger gamble. Aug 30 17:37:24 WP7 is less of a gamble, because if they invest heavily and it fails, Microsoft likey buys them up. Aug 30 17:38:10 or some other hardware vendor already heavily invested in WP7. Aug 30 17:38:37 Hm. Maybe. Not their outdeal outcome. And look at what happened with the Sidekick. Aug 30 17:39:04 not saying MSFT would be successful owning Nokia, but htey could easily afford it if/when they fail. Aug 30 17:39:17 When they fail, sure. They'd struggle now, though Aug 30 17:39:29 Nokia are a very big company. Aug 30 17:39:37 which is why you pay them to move to WP7 and then wait and see. Aug 30 17:39:57 Ma could buy them today Aug 30 17:39:58 But that isn't what ms wants Aug 30 17:40:25 Vendors have to much importance to get in the cell phone Game Aug 30 17:40:53 They could buy them comfortably Aug 30 17:40:53 I actually think Windows has a decent shot in the long-run. Aug 30 17:41:12 Windows 8 should explode on arm Aug 30 17:41:28 ESP as people get ready to upgrade, buy docks etc Aug 30 17:41:53 Microsoft traditionally takes the long view, and they know just giving up on mobile is not an option. Aug 30 17:42:02 Yep Aug 30 17:42:11 MS will offer the same applications running on phone, tablets and PCs. It's pretty compelling in the long-run. Aug 30 17:42:33 That's why wp7 and w8 are getting closer, soon the pc and mobile device will be one unit Aug 30 17:42:38 W8 is on that path Aug 30 17:42:40 when did that work Aug 30 17:42:50 write once, fail everywhere Aug 30 17:43:09 the big issue MSFT has is they traditionally have an extremely strong commitment to backward compatability. Aug 30 17:43:14 Well it hasn't as windows was never written to do that Aug 30 17:43:26 torchie: The difference between PCs/tablets/phones is shrinking. Aug 30 17:43:33 Attic was a bag of fail as it was some Linux embeded cob job Aug 30 17:43:39 Atrix Aug 30 17:43:44 even if they try and abandon that, its just part of how they work. Aug 30 17:44:14 If you fail to see this is the future u fail... Hard Aug 30 17:44:24 Apple just says "ya, that worked 6 months ago, but not now. Tough luck" Aug 30 17:44:37 It's never been done right, iOS taught us that Aug 30 17:44:48 Yep Aug 30 17:44:49 shrinking so much that if you put an atom, arm, or i7 in all three form factors one of them will be screwing up Aug 30 17:45:35 Actually they all work on par now with some of the atoms, and arm, i7 sill mostly stay pc now Aug 30 17:45:37 Okay, seriously, I can't get this working. Is there something I'm missing? I just want to have a pageHeader above a slidingpane, but if I set the main Kind to vflexlayout the slidingpane doesn't even show up Aug 30 17:46:12 atom is useless Aug 30 17:46:14 But with the advance of the I7 it is almost on battery par with arm Aug 30 17:46:21 So it's all evening out Aug 30 17:46:30 The diff is cooling Aug 30 17:46:32 Now Aug 30 17:46:47 almost on battery parm with which arm? Aug 30 17:46:52 an omap 3430? Aug 30 17:47:04 Ebonwumon: download the Precentral News app, and look at their code Aug 30 17:47:08 Some o the new ones are getting 8 to 10 hours Aug 30 17:47:14 I5i7 Aug 30 17:47:16 on what mAh rating of battery? Aug 30 17:47:16 they have a persistent header with sliding panes under it. Aug 30 17:47:23 Kay thanks rwatkins Aug 30 17:47:30 you don't just stuff 5000 mAh into a cellphone, even if it's a dinnerplate android Aug 30 17:47:47 We're quite not there yet, but it's clear the future is high-level and hardware-independence. Palm knew it, Google know it, Microsoft know it and even Apple know it. Aug 30 17:48:13 * jmichaelx likes atom CPUs, and uses them on his two primary desktops Aug 30 17:48:14 (webOS, Android, .NET, LLVM) Aug 30 17:48:26 by the time an x86 gets 10 hours on a 1500mah an ARM will get 4 days Aug 30 17:48:40 You can buy win 7 slates today on i5 that will get 8 to 12 hours Aug 30 17:48:48 Though it's about an inch thick Aug 30 17:49:11 sweet, so by the time those win7 slates get to 8 mm thick the ipad will be 4 mm thick? Aug 30 17:49:24 ipad will be -1mm thick Aug 30 17:49:29 1500? Lol I think the touchpad had several thousand Aug 30 17:49:33 so thick you can't even see it if you turn it sideways Aug 30 17:49:35 But for Aug 30 17:49:45 touchpad's aroudn 5000mah i think Aug 30 17:49:45 touchpad battery is 6300 mAH Aug 30 17:49:51 whoa. Aug 30 17:49:57 By the time the iPad gets 4mm thick, Windows will be running on ARM ;) Aug 30 17:49:59 torchie: You know windows 8 is launching on arm? Aug 30 17:50:00 that's a big Aug 30 17:50:08 you want thin device go back and dig out your old motorola razor. thin as possible isnt really that big a deal. Aug 30 17:50:09 its a big sucker that battery is. Aug 30 17:50:11 So arm will be the ultramobile stuff Aug 30 17:50:16 Boo Aug 30 17:50:18 Boo Aug 30 17:50:20 Boom Aug 30 17:50:23 "windows 8 will run on arm" Aug 30 17:50:25 what does that even mean Aug 30 17:50:36 is crysis going to magically rosetta itself onto my tablet? Aug 30 17:50:43 yes. Aug 30 17:50:52 Microsoft are making Windows 8 for ARM. No x86 backwards compatibility. Aug 30 17:50:52 its using cryengine. it can do anything. Aug 30 17:51:01 Windows 8 is already running smoothly on tegra chips dc 1ghz powering android tabs Aug 30 17:51:21 is my legacy software going to suddenly, like a michael bay transformer, Aug 30 17:51:26 Windows NT has never been reliant on x86. They used to make NT for Alpha etc. Aug 30 17:51:31 completely change its interface paradigms for a tablet? Aug 30 17:51:47 torchie: They're introducing a whole new touch-based interface too. Aug 30 17:51:50 And ms will have a x86 emulator most likely for software that solely needs to be compiled for arm Aug 30 17:51:55 the touch based interface is the good part Aug 30 17:52:04 If they don't just compile it Aug 30 17:52:21 but then they tried to hamfist something that appeared to be windows 7 into the side Aug 30 17:52:40 because at microsoft, the selling point is legacy compatibility Aug 30 17:52:42 period Aug 30 17:52:49 Ie8 will be both a desktop when needed and touch friendly whenyou need that Aug 30 17:52:54 Win 8 Aug 30 17:52:56 Lol Aug 30 17:53:24 I think they are moving away from so much legacy compatible Aug 30 17:53:28 The idea is that Microsoft transition existing 400m+ users towards touched-based applications that work on desktop, tablet and mobile. Aug 30 17:53:35 ESP if it's on arm Aug 30 17:53:46 AFAIK Windows 8 on tablets will be like a large Windows Phone Aug 30 17:53:48 High-level, based around .NET. Buy once, run everywhere. Aug 30 17:53:53 nohorse: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/05/new-to-developer-device-program-hp-veer-for-att/ Aug 30 17:53:57 a large windows phone without the actual architecture of windows phone Aug 30 17:53:59 Yep Aug 30 17:54:10 Khaytsus: Their strategy is to merge Windows Phone and Windows. Aug 30 17:54:13 A new os design Aug 30 17:54:13 windows 8 touch is html5 and whatever they like to buzz about these days Aug 30 17:54:17 It won't be like Win 7 or Vista on tablets where you run "normal programs".. Aug 30 17:54:19 Ally of revamp is going on Aug 30 17:54:25 windows phone 7 is silverlight/.net Aug 30 17:54:31 torchie: They're going to make architecture irrelevent. Aug 30 17:54:42 architecture will never be irrelevent. Aug 30 17:54:45 Windows Phone and Windows will eventually be the same OS. Aug 30 17:54:51 Windows 8 has lots of html5 and is for it's apps and interface Aug 30 17:54:54 Exact same codebase. Aug 30 17:54:59 And also normal . Net stuff Aug 30 17:55:26 This is what is happening with iOS and Mac os Aug 30 17:55:36 if you really need more battery life, then my suggestion is carry an external batttery with a USB port on it. this one http://bit.ly/n89L4L is 7800 mAH. this 2600 mAH unit is about the size of 2 "C" cells... http://bit.ly/n3PB6X Aug 30 17:56:40 Btw I believe the galaxy tab 10.1 or touchpad have around 7000mah out of box Aug 30 17:56:43 They haven't revealed details, but it's been suggested that the Windows 8 HTML layer is above Silverlight/.NET. Aug 30 17:57:05 Not being revealed until next month... Aug 30 17:57:12 Could be, they have said you can make straight html5 stuff for it Aug 30 17:57:21 It will be a layer in the os I believe Aug 30 17:58:02 They have revealed many details actually Aug 30 17:58:13 They even have a blog now Aug 30 17:58:26 ctladvance: Touchpad is 6800mAh, IIRC Aug 30 17:58:28 Rumor is they give away a windows 8 tab as well Aug 30 17:58:36 Ok close enough :) Aug 30 17:58:41 LiPoly :D Aug 30 17:58:42 They haven't revealed any specifics. Aug 30 17:58:50 A few UI details so far. Aug 30 17:58:56 Nothing big picture. Aug 30 17:59:19 If you havent seems any specifics the. You aren't in the right channel Aug 30 17:59:22 Then Aug 30 17:59:41 But no big picture, that's correct Aug 30 17:59:58 Shadyman touchpad is 6300 mAH Aug 30 18:01:42 It would make more sense for HP to make webos into it's windows 8 interface for HP pcs and tabs Aug 30 18:01:50 Then an app Aug 30 18:02:17 I think they fail to see that Aug 30 18:02:20 good evening Aug 30 18:03:31 "HP will be manufacturing a limited quantity of TouchPads with webOS during our fourth fiscal quarter 2011, which ends October 31." Aug 30 18:03:43 Nice Aug 30 18:04:25 hey NuttyBunny, can you name the source/url? Aug 30 18:04:36 http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/More-TouchPads-on-the-Way/ba-p/68749 Aug 30 18:04:39 just posted Aug 30 18:04:53 "Despite announcing an end to manufacturing webOS hardware, we have decided to produce one last run of TouchPads to meet unfulfilled demand" Aug 30 18:05:05 does anyone know what it means if my order says its shipping the 3rd of September? Aug 30 18:05:33 Which part of that is confusing? Aug 30 18:06:04 This is the hey. You should buy them now ata slightly higher price blog post Aug 30 18:06:12 It will never be made again Aug 30 18:07:40 god their server suck. page failing to load. Aug 30 18:08:00 That's titanium performance at it's best Aug 30 18:08:01 doesn't say much really, just that theyre making one last run Aug 30 18:08:10 unknown when or how many Aug 30 18:08:24 also doesn't state whether it'll be the same price Aug 30 18:08:41 oh, but definitely by oct 31 Aug 30 18:09:09 what's a good text editor app for touchpad? Aug 30 18:09:21 emacs Aug 30 18:09:46 Nano Aug 30 18:10:00 Nano is in Optware and is packaged on Preware. Aug 30 18:10:21 i kind of wonder if this last run is pretty much to get it in more hands type marketing or if they're just dumb or what lol Aug 30 18:11:07 thanks, and frontend related? ;) Aug 30 18:11:26 clear the parts chain. Aug 30 18:12:11 plov: let's them prolong the decision pocess so they can fingure out the stupidest thing to do Aug 30 18:12:46 i am sure this has been asked many times, but is there a terminal emulator than can be installed for the TP, or is that solely done on a PC using novacom? Aug 30 18:13:41 What? One last run? *falls out of chair* Aug 30 18:13:45 jmichaelx: xecutah is the only option really at this point Aug 30 18:14:01 rwatkins: ty Aug 30 18:14:27 which is kinda like using a sledgehammer to open a walnut. Aug 30 18:15:27 are pdk plugins jailed or something? Aug 30 18:15:34 oh shit whats this http://ompldr.org/vYTRpeQ/wirc-enyo_2011-30-08_141008.png Aug 30 18:16:35 DraX: yes Aug 30 18:16:58 lame Aug 30 18:17:18 if optware (command line) is not your thing, tapnote is a simple text editor. seems to only work with dropbox, but if that's ok, then it's a good one. Aug 30 18:17:48 Tide is an editor too Aug 30 18:18:00 it can read/write to any file on the device Aug 30 18:18:05 there's quickoffice as well, depends on your needs Aug 30 18:18:12 but I prefer TIDE :) Aug 30 18:18:17 quickoffice dont have syntax highlighting Aug 30 18:18:31 and doesnt have free reign of your device Aug 30 18:18:41 and doesnt have Tides file picker :D Aug 30 18:20:25 lemme recap... Aug 30 18:20:28 emergengy fstab fixer? Aug 30 18:20:35 emergency* Aug 30 18:20:35 BUT I PREFER TIDE!!!! :) Aug 30 18:21:46 more touchpads on the way Aug 30 18:22:41 see you! Aug 30 18:24:46 I don't see that Tide is available. is there a specia preware feed to get to it? Aug 30 18:26:18 its in the testing feed Aug 30 18:29:25 thanks puff i se it now Aug 30 18:29:37 TP-only? Aug 30 18:30:35 Is there any documentation about how Enyo works with CSS? Aug 30 18:32:23 what do you mean exactly? Aug 30 18:32:45 for example you can use the className property Aug 30 18:34:53 Yeah, I get that. I'm not totally sure what I'm looking for, but the complete lack of discussion in the documentation is a bit odd. Aug 30 18:34:57 woot! got Spotify copied over to TP Aug 30 18:35:41 There's very high-level design documentation and programming documentation, but virtually nothing bridging the gap between them Aug 30 18:40:24 I guess what I'm saying is that WebOS apps have a very specific look and whether there's any documentation out there to help achieve it. Aug 30 18:41:08 Can tide let you make HTML pages and call them in the browser Aug 30 18:41:09 There was a UX/UI guideline doc with webOS 1.x and Mojo, but nothing similar for Enyo and the TP. Aug 30 18:41:27 Oh, there's a UX guideline for Enyo. Aug 30 18:41:43 But it's very "Things should look like this" not "This is how you do it" Aug 30 18:41:44 HaloMan: Enyo Design Guide? Aug 30 18:42:04 I think you have to get this feeling by using apps Aug 30 18:42:17 HaloMan: StyleMatters. Sample Code. Aug 30 18:42:30 rwatkins: Hm. That's a good idea. Aug 30 18:42:33 that's why I can't imagine developing sth. for the TP without having a device to use Aug 30 18:42:50 Yeah, I'm using the TouchPad. Aug 30 18:43:01 But buttons are automatically WebOS-like Aug 30 18:43:05 yet other things aren't. Aug 30 18:43:11 And headers look WebOS-y Aug 30 18:43:13 but nothing else Aug 30 18:43:50 So it feels like it's really easy to get certain things shadowy but a real pain the backside for other stuff Aug 30 18:43:54 and that's a bit odd. Aug 30 18:43:58 hmm. why do webServices return successful results, when you are not online? Aug 30 18:44:33 EricBlade: because for some reason "0" is considered success. Aug 30 18:44:55 I skipped all that crap and rolled my own interface to normal web services. Aug 30 18:46:02 0 exit code! :) Aug 30 18:46:05 It's also not a good sign that the API browser doesn't look right on the TouchPad. Aug 30 18:46:38 enyo.xhr.request and then just do it yourself. Aug 30 18:49:17 http://www.amazon.com/wiki/Paul_Feyerabend/ref=wp_la_6 that's actually kind of neat Aug 30 18:49:56 well, we killed gimmiebar... bah Aug 30 18:51:49 orly Aug 30 18:52:41 anyone else tried skype with the touchpad? feels like the touchpad is completely un-usable when you have a video call Aug 30 18:52:58 and video lags to the point where it's not in worth it Aug 30 18:53:09 even*, to keep it on Aug 30 18:53:20 I've used it once Aug 30 18:53:25 I called myself on my laptop Aug 30 18:53:36 never tried to do anything else during the call Aug 30 18:53:50 calling seems ok, just video is choppy and tablet begins to lag Aug 30 18:54:22 I didn't have anything to compare it to (receiving the same stream on a laptop, say) Aug 30 18:55:15 and I don't do video calls ... ever, so I have nothing to compare it to Aug 30 18:55:41 it worked for me the single time I tried it Aug 30 19:10:00 i hear touchpad-to-touchpad on skype is really bad .. but i never ever make video calls and very very rarely audio calls Aug 30 19:11:33 EricBlade: Wanna try? Aug 30 19:12:17 i'm trying to get logged into work at the moment right now, so it'll have to pass for an hour or two Aug 30 19:12:28 k Aug 30 19:25:25 Hm. I'd imagine set/getitem from localStorage would be mainly for things needed across sessions and not for temporary storage? Aug 30 19:25:49 Or is it still preferred over global variables? Aug 30 19:29:44 Shadyman: i don't see why it would be Aug 30 19:33:04 okay, not to be the one to say i told you so, but didn't i say that HP was probably going to make more touchpads? Aug 30 19:33:11 yeah i'm pretty sure that was me Aug 30 19:33:41 =D Aug 30 19:34:09 Shadyman: otoh, depending on what you're doing there may be a better alternative to both localStorage and globals :) Aug 30 19:36:27 DraX: a Session Key that I have to send with every request to the server until I get a new one Aug 30 19:37:10 Shadyman: i'd probably have an object to represent the "client" for the server Aug 30 19:37:18 and store the session key on there Aug 30 19:37:44 otoh, it's possible that it might be reuseable across instances of the app Aug 30 19:37:49 so maybe localStorage is the right choice for it Aug 30 19:38:35 http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/More-TouchPads-on-the-Way/ba-p/68749 Aug 30 19:41:46 True, you'd use the sessionKey to get a playlist from the server, and likely would be used in a Service as well Aug 30 19:42:16 Right now it doesn't have its own service, but that could change Aug 30 19:43:23 wish there was a guide on what kinds of items should be stored in what kind of storage. I know there is the HP Best Practices page, but it doesn't go into much as far as data stores Aug 30 19:44:34 in a single-threaded language without global-scope initalization issues (in C++ you can only safely intialize a POD in global-scope) i have a hard time buying that globals are the big bad that they're sometimes made out to be though Aug 30 19:44:55 True Aug 30 19:45:36 probably a good idea to give them big scary names like MY_SCARY_GLOBAL_VAR Aug 30 19:45:43 so as to avoid namespace conflicts Aug 30 19:45:50 and it's not a great idea to have 200 of them Aug 30 19:45:54 OMG_A_LION_GET_IN_THE_CAR_>:3 Aug 30 19:45:55 but otherwise, meh Aug 30 19:46:36 but per-app globals wouldn't be available to other apps, though, right? Aug 30 19:46:51 whereas with localStorage you can make them available if you choose, IIRC Aug 30 19:47:15 i don't know what the security restrictions are on localStorage, but generally yes Aug 30 19:47:22 no other app is going to run in the same context as yours :) Aug 30 19:47:28 hehe Aug 30 19:47:47 I think there was a way to share your localStorage data with another app specifically Aug 30 19:47:52 in the browser i think localStorage is same-domain by default Aug 30 19:47:56 like .allow("com.you.enyo.whatever") Aug 30 19:48:21 unless I'm thinking of another storage thing Aug 30 19:48:55 perhaps db8 :) Aug 30 19:50:07 db8 putPermissions Aug 30 19:50:31 yeah Aug 30 19:50:41 there's actually sweet F-all for localStorage examples on the dev center site :x Aug 30 19:50:59 okay question .... I have my TouchPad connected to my Mac and a friend of mine has his touchpad connected as well to his Mac. He has set a PIN for his Touchpad Aug 30 19:51:00 no surprise threre, they're kind of lacking Aug 30 19:51:01 and confusing Aug 30 19:51:07 but can't reset it so there is no password at all Aug 30 19:51:14 is there a way to reset this via Terminal or some command? Aug 30 19:51:14 DB8 looks like massive overhead, though Aug 30 19:51:27 s/massive/relatively larger Aug 30 19:54:05 novaterm -c login -r your_password Aug 30 19:54:13 that command works only for the Developer Mode Aug 30 19:54:15 from what I know Aug 30 19:54:24 if you have a password setup for the developer mode Aug 30 19:54:30 but what about the actual tablet password Aug 30 19:55:15 Shadyman: agree Aug 30 19:55:49 webos needs Newton's soup :( Aug 30 19:56:27 lol @ making more touchpads Aug 30 19:57:49 Is there a way to reset the PIN? Aug 30 19:59:48 if your "friend" has "purchased" a pre-owned tablet than you can just re-doctor it. Aug 30 20:01:12 hi everyone Aug 30 20:01:40 I'm fine ... apps can install etc fine on mine .... I was just curious that's all Aug 30 20:01:47 I know I'm not going to set a pin on mine Aug 30 20:02:07 novaterm -c login -r your_password Aug 30 20:02:15 if you run that in OSX in terminal you can reset your password Aug 30 20:02:21 for the developer mode Aug 30 20:02:34 I wasn't sure if that will do the same thing for the pin also..... Aug 30 20:02:38 was just curious that's all Aug 30 20:02:44 I don't want to try doing that on mine Aug 30 20:02:52 and risk screwing up my tablet Aug 30 20:03:08 so wondered if anyeone else has ever reset the password so there is no pin via command line Aug 30 20:04:21 I'm loving the TIDE editor. any plans for dropbox integration? or is there a local looking folder that is really my dropbox? Aug 30 20:06:07 How does enyo work with css. If I have {kind:"PageHeader", content:"Hello"} how would I change it in CSS? Aug 30 20:06:11 Is pageheader a class? Aug 30 20:06:22 not exactly Ebonwumon Aug 30 20:07:10 There _is_ a class associated with it. But there are a BUNCH of classes. if you render an enyo screen in Chrome, you can use Inspect Element to view the details. Aug 30 20:07:30 find it in chrome Aug 30 20:07:51 Ah, right. Why didn't I use the inspector - that was obvious xD Aug 30 20:07:52 Thanks guys Aug 30 20:08:50 lol yeahhh Aug 30 20:08:54 i wish there was documentation or somethinggg :( Aug 30 20:09:37 You can also use className. Enyo's documentation is a bit iffy IMO. Aug 30 20:10:35 a bit? Aug 30 20:10:36 lol Aug 30 20:11:53 I take it the builtin video player doesnt play h264? Aug 30 20:13:13 it does,but only in "weird" containers Aug 30 20:13:14 mp4, mov Aug 30 20:13:20 anyone know where to find wifi networks on webos 3? Aug 30 20:13:26 as in a file Aug 30 20:13:45 a file? Aug 30 20:13:55 the file or database storing the information for your wifi networks Aug 30 20:14:05 looks like the app catalog is down :( Aug 30 20:14:30 I wonder if that'd change if one compiled and installed gst-plugins-ugly as thats where you get the gstreamer plugin for x264 Aug 30 20:14:55 wrea: what you need is support for avi and mkv containers, not h264 Aug 30 20:15:12 well and xvid Aug 30 20:15:18 but that's a codec :) Aug 30 20:15:27 or just install kalemsoft Aug 30 20:17:33 avi should be supported, the corresponding plugin is installed on the touchpad Aug 30 20:18:09 tbh I havent used the video player yet :P Aug 30 20:18:12 Okay, another question. I have a toolbar with a button and an image. I want the image to be aligned to the right, and the button aligned to the left. Aug 30 20:18:24 Is there a way to do this in enyo, or do I have to hack around in css? Aug 30 20:20:16 dgarbs i'm not sure Aug 30 20:20:33 I think I found it, but it appears to be encrypted Aug 30 20:20:44 http://pastebin.com/NPr5V5LD <-- anyone here know eclipse and willing to help me with this rather bizarre plea for help? :) Aug 30 20:21:01 (it is webos sdk related) Aug 30 20:25:14 Muhb, just ask your question, if someone knows they'll help Aug 30 20:29:08 Wait a second, toolbar's look different to everything else by default? Aug 30 20:31:02 Ebonwumon, it's hard to describe, hence the pastebin... the question is there. But basically, I'm trying to mirror the palm-webos-sdk eclipse plugin, and install it in eclipse's dropins folder, or reference its location using the older "links" folder method of referencing remote plugins, but I'm not having much luck. Aug 30 20:31:23 I've never understood why the Touchpad has two separate themes living side-by-side... Aug 30 20:31:37 Eclipse fails to load the plugin and logs some bizarre error method to the Error Log View, asking for a missing "artifacts" file, which as far as I can tell is clearly there. Aug 30 20:31:48 Oh I missed the pastebin. Aug 30 20:35:31 i wish i could log out of -some- of my accounst in the messenger program Aug 30 20:36:28 i wish the messenger app wasn Aug 30 20:36:32 't horribly slow Aug 30 20:37:57 oh boy, HP just sent me a special 25% discount on printers, ink, accessories, and "hp computers priced at $599 or higher". hmm. too bad they don't have any touchpad accessories! Aug 30 20:38:07 EricBlade: on phone you can log out of some of the im accounts with a patch Aug 30 20:38:10 is anyone else having trouble with the webos app store? Aug 30 20:38:27 Yeah, it's struggling. Aug 30 20:38:32 following on from the earlier question, can i stop email collection? Aug 30 20:38:34 I wonder if HP weren't anticipating the demand. Aug 30 20:39:14 my imap server only accepts a certain number of connections, and the mail app seems to hold a bunch open Aug 30 20:39:14 oh christ, after i login, the messaging app starts taking forever to respond Aug 30 20:40:25 can i shut down mail? Aug 30 20:43:43 ok i just tested out skype .. it is terrible Aug 30 20:43:53 the video performance is just crap. Aug 30 20:44:04 looks like we're back in 1995 Aug 30 20:44:14 and that's between a pc and the tp Aug 30 20:44:28 also, the video chat program doesn't recognize landscape orientation Aug 30 20:46:35 isn't the camera in the landscape orientation? Aug 30 20:47:28 no, it's not Aug 30 20:51:57 no, the camera is stuck to portrait, no way to change it. Also the display is inverted (it takes the pictures inverted horizontally) Aug 30 20:55:27 The camera is not "stuck to portrait." The camera, like any camera produces a grid of pixels which are passed to the software in a fixed orientation. It is the SOFTWARE's responsibility to rotate those pixels into the correct orientation for the current display. Aug 30 20:58:19 *sigh* Aug 30 21:03:40 this speeds the touchpad up like 10000% http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230912 Aug 30 21:12:34 PsWii60: oooold news, and uNixPsycho's latest F4 kernel already clocks both cores Aug 30 21:12:52 nice Aug 30 21:13:13 any other app recommends? Aug 30 21:13:23 besides those ones at the bottom Aug 30 21:14:10 tholl583xx: what's your imap server settings set to wrt how often to check? Aug 30 21:14:38 NuttyBunny: are you looking at the sent video and expecting it to be a mirror image of you? Aug 30 21:14:47 rboatright: it comes out to the same meaning -- the video chat does not recognize landscape orientation for video Aug 30 21:15:00 it doesn't rotate the incoming video? Aug 30 21:15:05 it does when it's in audio alone mode, but as soon as you enable video, it rotates portrait Aug 30 21:15:31 dwc-: the camera captures what it sees, but shows you an inverted image, just like if you were looking into a mirror Aug 30 21:15:42 i really dislike the number of apps i've run into that enforce a specific orientation Aug 30 21:15:47 NuttyBunny: are you looking at the local display of what you are or the stream on the other end? Aug 30 21:16:10 dwc-: Local display. The other end sees what the camera see Aug 30 21:16:21 (so, it's ok) Aug 30 21:16:23 that is typical for local display Aug 30 21:16:37 it throws people off if they are looking at themselves and it is not as if they were looking in a mirror Aug 30 21:16:43 (ichat does it too, e.g.) Aug 30 21:17:05 but it's confusing for people taking pictures with the TP camera... the pictures appear mirrored ;) I hope I won't get bad reviews because of that Aug 30 21:17:36 mediacapture is supposed to support exif rotation/mirroring, but doesn't on the touchpad :( Aug 30 21:18:02 people taking pictures with the camera should get what the camera sees Aug 30 21:18:36 hmm. anyone familiar with the Touchpad keyboard that HP is selling? Curious if it has any touchpad-specific features, and also if it can be used with other devices? If they'll honor their 25% discount on that, I might have to get some Aug 30 21:18:59 looking at how the recently-free camera app does it... it shows you mirror image in the preview, but the saved picture is correct Aug 30 21:19:56 dwc-: yep, that's the way it works... you'll see my problem later with photofun (I have to mirror the frame as well) ;) Aug 30 21:20:23 teh TP keyboard has different modifier keys and specially labeled keys for touchpad functions Aug 30 21:20:28 so uNixPsycho is the best kernel so far? Aug 30 21:20:57 PsWii60: he's the main developer :) Aug 30 21:21:31 oh Aug 30 21:21:52 you know what'd be cool? ... if you could click on a skype contact in the messaging app and also pull up a phone call to them Aug 30 21:22:29 so any other apps to make it run even faster? Aug 30 21:22:37 dwc-: do you know if it will pair to other devices as well? i have bluetooth on nearly all my computers here, an ipod, a wii, and i think the ps3 does bt as well. do you have one? Aug 30 21:22:38 instead of having to pull open the video calling app and find them in the list Aug 30 21:23:03 PsWii60: Most TP's will crash at 1.9Ghz :) You want to make it go faster? :D Aug 30 21:23:03 dunno if I want to remove tap ripple since that's kind of unique to webos Aug 30 21:23:04 dwc-: Open a conversation to them, then click the "SKYPE" word in the upper right hand corner, then click the "Voice" or "Video" icon Aug 30 21:23:14 lol no, just wondering Aug 30 21:23:31 it will pull up the contact list, pause for about 2 seconds, and then pull up the call window Aug 30 21:23:51 EricBlade: d'oh! Aug 30 21:23:53 PsWii60: In fact, I've found that 1.5-1.7Ghz are pretty good speeds, no need to go faster than that :) Aug 30 21:23:59 (thanks) Aug 30 21:24:10 k Aug 30 21:24:21 my evo 3d is 1.2 :P Aug 30 21:24:28 dwc-: yeah it'd be nice if it were more obvious than that, i stumbled across that accidentally, while checking to see if someone on both my skype and gtalk list were online on both Aug 30 21:24:34 PsWii60, so is my Pre 2 Aug 30 21:24:40 lol Aug 30 21:24:50 1.2 dual core? Aug 30 21:25:04 nope, single :) Aug 30 21:25:07 :P Aug 30 21:25:13 but it has webOS, and your doesn't :D Aug 30 21:25:14 hehehe Aug 30 21:25:17 lol Aug 30 21:25:22 mine has apps :P Aug 30 21:25:40 ok, you beat me on that ;) Aug 30 21:25:45 hehe Aug 30 21:44:46 hello I have a question regarding the messaging app Aug 30 21:45:22 liar Aug 30 21:45:24 no, it doesn't reconnect automatically Aug 30 21:45:36 some of my google talk contacts that I know are online do not show up as being online Aug 30 21:46:17 ah, perhaps its because of the ridiculously high keepalive value that Palm uses, I usually log out and relogin Aug 30 21:46:19 is this common? Aug 30 21:47:05 a bit Aug 30 21:47:17 a last badge of devices "to meet demand"? Aug 30 21:47:27 how do I log out of a google account? I though it was just native to the webOS design Aug 30 21:48:06 change status to offline and then back online Aug 30 21:48:10 it logs all your accounts out Aug 30 21:49:03 ok I will try that Aug 30 21:49:04 thanks! Aug 30 21:50:59 so the TouchPad is back Aug 30 21:55:14 that is good news Aug 30 21:55:58 did everyone get a email from HP today? Aug 30 21:57:29 what are the good news? Aug 30 21:57:35 no email here Aug 30 21:57:40 no email here Aug 30 21:58:02 what does the email entail Aug 30 21:58:10 stock soon to those that left their email addresses Aug 30 21:58:23 * Ironsight just got an email from datavis canceling my order :( Aug 30 21:58:27 I left my email Aug 30 21:58:31 and spinning off the PC and WebOS products Aug 30 21:58:37 I can't believe they're going to manufacture more, just to sell at a loss *now* Aug 30 21:58:45 guess I won't be getting into webos development Aug 30 21:59:06 Samsung rumored to be interested Aug 30 21:59:27 meh Aug 30 22:00:01 http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/More-TouchPads-on-the-Way/ba-p/68749 Aug 30 22:00:07 HOW ABOUT SOME PRE3s.. bitches Aug 30 22:01:00 LOL that is what I want too Aug 30 22:01:02 http://ct.techrepublic.com/clicks?t=1015018707-32ccf0b94c2d08245f1edcce2c63366b-bf&brand=TECHREPUBLIC&s=5 Aug 30 22:02:50 i just find that funny Aug 30 22:02:58 it's like people asking for free lunch Aug 30 22:03:09 and the company is giving Aug 30 22:03:26 tanstaafl Aug 30 22:03:34 I hope they don't sell to people who are going to sell on ebay limit quantities so everyone who wanted one can get one Aug 30 22:03:44 yeah yah... Aug 30 22:04:04 they discovered a mistake was made Aug 30 22:04:54 example, i buy one, my grandmother one, my nephew one,my 2 sisters, my dad, and i get 6 touchpads one per person and i get to sell 5 :) Aug 30 22:05:06 my dog wants one Aug 30 22:05:06 oh i forgot my mother Aug 30 22:05:12 lol Aug 30 22:05:29 well? my guinea peg wants one also then Aug 30 22:05:39 pig Aug 30 22:06:07 final resul 700~900$ profit on ebay Aug 30 22:06:31 conclusiion, hp is losing that. Aug 30 22:06:33 http://ct.techrepublic.com/clicks?t=1015018801-32ccf0b94c2d08245f1edcce2c63366b-bf&brand=TECHREPUBLIC&s=5 Aug 30 22:06:55 this is prolly the reason there has been some progress Aug 30 22:07:06 revenue form ads Aug 30 22:09:46 so is there a native touchpad remote access/VNC app besides garbage like "logmein" etc. browser-based thangs Aug 30 22:11:07 I think I may have solved my webOS SDK eclipse plugin problem. Aug 30 22:11:28 at least I now have a version of it that can be installed offline. Aug 30 22:12:06 there needs to be a teamviewer app Aug 30 22:12:26 YOU NEED TO BE A TEAMVIEWER APP Aug 30 22:12:43 errm Aug 30 22:12:45 hai. Aug 30 22:12:48 tightvnc or realvnc imo Aug 30 22:13:10 either or Aug 30 22:20:51 what if HP's got some crazy lateral disruption plan in the works Aug 30 22:35:50 nice, I got my touchpad case today Aug 30 22:46:39 if someone actually came up with an exhibition mode program that would allow me to use my touchpad as a 4th monitor on my system, i would go to the ends of the earth for a touchstone Aug 30 22:46:53 bah Aug 30 22:47:53 sounds completely possible if someone wanted to port synergy to webos Aug 30 22:48:08 i'd like one anyway, but if i can't interact with the touchpad while it's in exhibition, what use is it Aug 30 22:48:42 NETSPLITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Aug 30 22:49:07 EricBlade: you can intereact with it in exhibition Aug 30 22:49:21 for example on a pre2 w/ facebook Aug 30 22:49:23 Vult: being able to operate the touchpad from the keyboard/mouse is entirely different than using it as a display. i'd love to be able to set it down on the touchstone on my desk, and bam have an addon display Aug 30 22:49:25 i can swipe thru status updates Aug 30 22:49:43 dawm|laptop: the manual gave me the impression that exhibition mode disables input ? Aug 30 22:49:47 nope Aug 30 22:49:55 works just fine Aug 30 22:50:38 if i could set it to run the LCARS Clock as a screen saver, and then when i want to use it as a fourth or fifth display, that would just make this the coolest thing ever. EVER. Aug 30 22:50:45 home button/slide up exits exhibition, but otherwise works like usual Aug 30 22:51:09 oh, well, that enhances my opinion of it quite a bit. Aug 30 22:52:51 I would have liked some other I/O options MicroSD HDMI Aug 30 22:53:03 Get Glimpse or Flixi (my app :D), open browser, navigate to lcars page - you've got your screensaver :) Aug 30 22:53:20 qillerneu: there's quite a nice lcars clock on the app store right now, free Aug 30 22:53:35 it matches my very nice desktop tri-monitor lcars screensaver quite well Aug 30 22:54:08 unfortunately, without the touchstone, it's kind of useless .. unless you can turn on exhibition mode some other way? Aug 30 22:55:03 manually, but that's annoying Aug 30 22:59:31 qillerneu: where do you turn that on at? Aug 30 23:07:42 EricBlade: open the exibition app Aug 30 23:07:47 at the bottom Aug 30 23:08:14 theres also a patch that will automatically turn on exhibition mode when you launch the exhibition app Aug 30 23:08:23 instead of showing the config screen Aug 30 23:09:12 hmm. nice. but, can't disable the original clock from being in the list? ugh Aug 30 23:09:41 well Aug 30 23:09:45 it needs atleast one app to run probably Aug 30 23:09:47 er one mode Aug 30 23:09:59 if you selected none it wouldnt serve a purpose Aug 30 23:10:05 why hasn't my dock been delivered yet Aug 30 23:10:12 yeah i've got 6 other apps no matter which ones i select, it won't let me unselect the clock Aug 30 23:10:16 or, if it has, why hasn't pack n' track on my phone told me about it yet :) Aug 30 23:10:33 again Aug 30 23:10:35 i said Aug 30 23:10:44 its probably DEFAULT that way so that you dont UNCHECK them all Aug 30 23:10:56 or the TIME portion is built in to the exhibition Aug 30 23:11:04 dont like it? dont use it Aug 30 23:11:19 or make something better Aug 30 23:12:35 it won't let me turn off the stock clock being in the list at all, and as soon as i start it, it goes there. *shrug* if i can turn the mode on, and write a different manager, i'll do that someday perhaps :P Aug 30 23:16:10 EricBlade: after you choose xy-app on the exibition screen, next time exhibition is startet, this xy-app starts it's exhibition Aug 30 23:16:53 and you don't have to choose it again - but if you build & reinstall your own app, you have to choose it again and again for testing exhibition mode Aug 30 23:17:09 leiru: that's not the behavior i am seeing. all i get is the clock. oh well Aug 30 23:17:53 you can't choose another mode in the upper left, thats activated in the options? Aug 30 23:21:12 EricBlade: 01:11:59 < leiru> EricBlade: after you choose xy-app on the exibition screen [..] <-- i mean not the options with the checkmarks, the exhibition screen itself Aug 30 23:21:58 OH, didn't see the system menu drop down. nice. Aug 30 23:22:04 now i can annoy my gf with more star trek stuff Aug 30 23:22:07 thank you much :D Aug 30 23:22:47 haha Aug 30 23:22:55 that is getting left on it ALL the time now. :D Aug 30 23:22:56 ^ another thing that should be made more obvious Aug 30 23:31:23 anyone know how I would save a base64 encoded string into a file Aug 30 23:35:25 CTLAdvance: by mentioning base64 encoded does that mean you (also) want to know how to base64 encode a string? Aug 30 23:35:35 does webOS have any good PDF viewers? Aug 30 23:35:42 nope I have a base 64 encoded file already Aug 30 23:35:45 hey DraX... that used to be my nickname. Sort of. Aug 30 23:35:46 need to save the contents Aug 30 23:36:17 CTLAdvance: oh, so you want to decode it and write it to a file? Aug 30 23:36:21 yes Aug 30 23:36:32 well mainly the write to file part I need Aug 30 23:36:35 Rakko, it has, uh... adobe reader. Aug 30 23:36:51 CTLAdvance: in node? Aug 30 23:37:10 well now I am using JS, I havent done anything with node.js Aug 30 23:37:12 oh, adobe reader... I've heard that's good ;) Aug 30 23:37:23 so is that the only way or is there a straight forward way to do it Aug 30 23:37:55 well, if the file is binary Aug 30 23:38:02 you're going to need something like node's Buffer() class Aug 30 23:38:37 new Buffer(my_b64_string, 'base64') will decode it into a buffer Aug 30 23:38:43 not sure about the writing part Aug 30 23:38:52 because of the sandboxing/jailing Aug 30 23:39:04 the writing part is just using the file api Aug 30 23:40:51 basically, strings in js are speced to be unicodeish Aug 30 23:41:05 so generally you can't actually store binary data in a js string Aug 30 23:41:11 so you need something like buffer Aug 30 23:44:23 ok so node will be my best bet with this? Aug 30 23:44:57 i think so Aug 30 23:45:51 damn Aug 30 23:46:00 ok is there a good place to start with this Aug 30 23:47:26 yo Aug 30 23:48:03 so I need to edit /etc/hosts and I have internalz pro but is read only Aug 30 23:48:28 and under xterm.... good luck on the tp keyboard...... Aug 30 23:48:49 any suggestions? Aug 30 23:49:18 CTLAdvance: there is a hello world servicein the hp/palm dev site Aug 30 23:49:26 it mostly worked when i did it Aug 30 23:50:16 for those that missed it Aug 30 23:50:18 http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/More-TouchPads-on-the-Way/ba-p/68749 Aug 30 23:51:00 Bah. The touchpad's email client gives ODT files a QuickOffice-ish icon in the attachment dialog, but QuickOffice doesn't support Open Document :( Aug 30 23:51:53 so here is a related question, canvas creates a 64bit encoded png Aug 30 23:52:01 which works fine when loading in an image tag Aug 30 23:52:07 but how to quickly save that locally Aug 30 23:53:08 Tptg: remount the root filesystem as readwrite and do what you want in internalz Aug 30 23:53:14 mount / -o rw,remount Aug 30 23:53:22 then when you're done -o ro,remount Aug 30 23:53:25 k Aug 30 23:54:18 is there a terminal available outside of x11/xterm? Aug 30 23:54:35 CTLAdvance: crazy idea, you might be able to send the data url to download manager Aug 30 23:55:54 CTLAdvance: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17642 that thread implies there is no way to write to a file, binary or not, from just a normal UI app Aug 30 23:56:00 Tptg: no, not yet Aug 30 23:56:33 roger Aug 30 23:56:43 Thats what I thought Aug 30 23:56:52 I cant seem to get that to work either Aug 30 23:57:01 I shall get ubuntu chroot going net Aug 30 23:57:03 next Aug 30 23:57:04 though I am still trying to call the mojo service request Aug 30 23:57:18 I think I need to use the palm.call library Aug 30 23:58:41 ben seems to have an example Aug 30 23:58:49 need to feed the kidders and then I will take a look Aug 31 00:10:13 * LarrySteeze wants a pre 3 :-\ Aug 31 00:11:36 * Xuzz does too Aug 31 00:11:44 I want a pony Aug 31 00:11:58 anyone here have one? Aug 31 00:12:10 apparently rwhitby does, as of his tweet a few seconds ago! Aug 31 00:12:21 ah...he finally got one? Aug 31 00:12:22 ;) Aug 31 00:12:23 my order was cancelled today Aug 31 00:12:31 It was received today rwhitby? Aug 31 00:12:37 * halfhalo grumbles Aug 31 00:12:40 rwhitby gets all the cool toys, duh :P Aug 31 00:12:41 yes, 5 minutes ago Aug 31 00:12:45 did you activate it yet? Aug 31 00:12:48 via Finland Aug 31 00:13:13 (I was trying via Ireland, but apparently all the Pre 3's there are now… gone. Possibly to England.) Aug 31 00:13:29 see if the site will let you get the doctor...I've been trying to get people to give it to me all day! Aug 31 00:13:45 Xuzz: mine went China -> Ireland (purchased from UK store) -> Finland -> Australia Aug 31 00:13:56 rwhitby: yeah, this was from a Ireland-based reseller Aug 31 00:15:36 so all the way around the world. Aug 31 00:22:41 wow Aug 31 00:27:09 that show on ABC Family, Pretty LIttle Liars Aug 31 00:27:11 they all have Pre's Aug 31 00:27:17 but have some FAKE ass OS on em Aug 31 00:27:22 looks like webos, but totally not Aug 31 00:29:00 I guess that would be where the lying comes in Aug 31 00:30:29 * oil loves it when an actor is talking on a touchscreen phone and the screen is on Aug 31 00:31:37 error: Uncaught ReferenceError: Mojo is not defined Aug 31 00:31:41 wtf? Aug 31 00:31:49 or when actors were using the iPhone 2G upside down Aug 31 00:31:49 this is from a 1.x mojo app Aug 31 00:31:55 hemna: Aug 31 00:32:02 is the mojo js missing from the index.html? Aug 31 00:32:11 let me check. Aug 31 00:33:08 or whatever the startup html file is Aug 31 00:33:26 oil: Aug 31 00:33:32 thats me: Aug 31 00:33:42 may I partake: Aug 31 00:33:46 no: Aug 31 00:33:46 O.o Aug 31 00:33:53 :(: Aug 31 00:34:06 that looks weird Aug 31 00:34:12 oil: Aug 31 00:34:16 yeah he did it wrong Aug 31 00:34:18 its :): Aug 31 00:34:35 what the heck Aug 31 00:34:42 after I type your name, it shows nothing Aug 31 00:34:42 that's a happy face. I wanted a frowny face Aug 31 00:34:49 idk what to say Aug 31 00:34:50 lol Aug 31 00:35:00 rumor has it you got a pre 3 too, you jerk Aug 31 00:35:14 i dont have a pre3 Aug 31 00:35:21 oh Aug 31 00:35:25 well then you're not a jerk anymore Aug 31 00:35:29 awesome Aug 31 00:36:00 i like not being a jerk Aug 31 00:36:04 lies Aug 31 00:36:45 that's good Aug 31 00:36:50 I like that you like not being a jerk Aug 31 00:36:59 I hope you like that Aug 31 00:37:07 oh i do Aug 31 00:37:18 good. then I like that you like that I like that you like not being a jerk Aug 31 00:37:33 its getting a bit out of hand now Aug 31 00:37:46 I like that it's getting a bit out of hand now Aug 31 00:37:53 I'm just that type of guy Aug 31 00:38:59 so I was thinking... how does it look on the Veer when you have an AdMob ad? Surely you lose 1/4 of screen real estate Aug 31 00:39:15 adblock ftw Aug 31 00:39:34 * oil has to get a pre3 now Aug 31 00:39:50 ... Aug 31 00:40:58 halfhalo: go find me a sprint pre3 lying around and mail it to me Aug 31 00:41:17 * halfhalo is not at palm anymore Aug 31 00:41:28 get canned? Aug 31 00:41:36 halfhalo is at hp now Aug 31 00:41:37 ? Aug 31 00:41:38 internship ended last thurs Aug 31 00:41:45 so here is the question Aug 31 00:41:53 ah Aug 31 00:41:57 halfhalo: no sprint pre 3 Aug 31 00:42:01 verizon pre 3 Aug 31 00:42:05 halfhalo: did you "borrow" office supplies one last time? Aug 31 00:42:08 node.js, looks like node.js is built into the system, meaning I can tap into it Aug 31 00:42:11 or tap it Aug 31 00:42:16 if you will? Aug 31 00:42:42 hell, I didn't manage to get myself a pre 3 while I was there Aug 31 00:42:57 halfhalo: internship fail Aug 31 00:43:57 the out-of-box plastic covering the touchpad screen and back is literally better than any protective adhesive i could have bought for it Aug 31 00:44:01 what a sweet hack Aug 31 00:44:37 * oil took that plastic crap off as soon as he took it out of hte box Aug 31 00:44:58 * halfhalo is off to class Aug 31 00:45:06 i'm ocd and i heard it's a fingerprint magnet Aug 31 00:45:09 so that never crossed my mind Aug 31 00:54:25 wow implementing a service just to save a png... Aug 31 00:54:27 ugh Aug 31 00:54:36 ok lets see how fast this can be done Aug 31 00:54:49 another service? -x- Aug 31 00:55:38 node Aug 31 00:55:41 node.js Aug 31 00:55:53 looks like what I have to do Aug 31 00:56:05 since the download manager wont work with a local file Aug 31 00:56:19 or a 64bit encode PNG file Aug 31 00:56:49 or so it seems Aug 31 00:59:41 hm. yet again i find myself wishing i had more gstreamer modules on webos. Aug 31 01:00:06 What are you looking for? Aug 31 01:01:30 libgstvorbis would be nice. and now i'm wondering if libgstzbar would be the solution to the lack of decent barcode scanners Aug 31 01:01:58 generally speaking, moar plugins! Aug 31 01:02:07 ugggh my mail app is taking on the order of minutes to perform operations Aug 31 01:03:24 is there a list of service URI Aug 31 01:03:53 directhex, set up WIDK and compile the ones you want? Aug 31 01:04:41 wrea, yeah, that's what i'll end up doing. i didn't know if i'd find the time, but given i now have multiple POC projects blocking on gstreamer, i've little excuse Aug 31 01:05:14 I was thinking about doing it. But a friend wants kismet on the thing, so im trying that atm. Aug 31 01:05:46 scratchbox. yippee. that was always so much fun for maemo dev Aug 31 01:05:56 lol, yeah. Aug 31 01:06:11 Last time I used sb was when I had my n770 Aug 31 01:10:48 "On Ubuntu /bin/sh is a symbolic link to dash. This will cause errors with the make stage command below, as some of the scripts assume bash" Aug 31 01:10:48 ARGH, #!/bin/bash isn't freaking rocket science! Aug 31 01:10:48 if your script ain't posix sh, don't use #!/bin/sh. christ on a bike Aug 31 01:11:28 How do I rename an HP TouchPad? Aug 31 01:11:50 device info? Aug 31 01:12:08 Ah good, thanks. Aug 31 01:12:12 Just got my device 10m ago. Aug 31 01:12:29 #touchpad is working for me in wirc ? something happen to that channel? Aug 31 01:12:30 get a sword, tap it on each shoulder with it, and say "i dub thee sir XXXXXX" Aug 31 01:12:46 is=isnt Aug 31 01:16:24 ziplock503: it's working here Aug 31 01:17:16 Siestacat: you around? Aug 31 01:18:06 I'll try again Aug 31 01:19:05 says (+cnrt) on top instead of (+cnt) what's that mean? Aug 31 01:19:41 of course, there's no 2.2.0 doctor, so yet again that's a problem for me ¬_¬ Aug 31 01:20:21 directhex: run any enyo apps on the pre3? Aug 31 01:20:32 rwatkins, i've experimented. Aug 31 01:20:33 wondering if perf on all of them suck, or just mine. Aug 31 01:20:55 Red It doesn't start up. kindle refuses to log in, citing lack of interwebs. papier mache works okay, but is very sluggish Aug 31 01:21:09 oh, and the notifications are busted on papier mache Aug 31 01:21:30 hm, how so? using the latest 1.1.002 beta? Aug 31 01:21:53 just a white rectangle. as the notification on pre3 Aug 31 01:22:26 hm. time to finish downloading the production SDK image and see I guess Aug 31 01:22:54 also, is it a general webos "thing" that it seems to do new mounts for every app started, but never cleans them up? after a couple of days, "mount" shows hundreds of entries Aug 31 01:23:08 lol.. i've got nothing open but Stickam on my touchpad, and it's throwing regular "Too Many Cards" errors. ugh Aug 31 01:24:33 gonna check the new sdk image and unless it repros there, likely going to submit for release flagged for Pre3 anyway Aug 31 01:25:03 performace is crap, and I can always metadata update it if people just bitch too much. Aug 31 01:25:32 figure there are not enough people with them to complain, and hopefully get a dev one before too long. Aug 31 01:28:42 rwatkins, the 2.2 situation seems bad. no emulator image for testing, no doctor for fucking fuckups. :( Aug 31 01:28:42 anyway, bedtime. Aug 31 01:29:19 directhex: SDK just released today Aug 31 01:29:41 having the speakers on the "bottom" of the device is annoying Aug 31 01:29:47 though apparently the vmdk contains no setting for 480x800 when installed. hmm. Aug 31 01:30:33 rwatkins, sweet! Aug 31 01:31:20 Error: Sorry, that is not a valid serial number. Aug 31 01:31:24 still no doctor though :( Aug 31 01:32:14 ya, thats kinda annoying Aug 31 01:32:25 the prerelease vmdk had the right res I thought...hmm Aug 31 01:32:42 directhex: You can't do it through the site Aug 31 01:32:55 but you should be able to do it via contacting support directly Aug 31 01:33:52 there is a way to set the res when the vm is started Aug 31 01:34:13 rwatkins: do you have a pre 3? Aug 31 01:34:32 but I believe there was some scaling going on for 2.2 Aug 31 01:36:59 hmm. "we have decided to produce one last run of TouchPads to meet unfulfilled demand" .. losing $200+ per device, and they order more? Aug 31 01:37:36 EricBlade: they were already ordered Aug 31 01:37:39 Parts chain people, parts chain. Aug 31 01:37:41 local stores here jacked tne  Aug 31 01:37:53 jacked the price Aug 31 01:38:00 they were trying to decide whether or not to cancel the order (have to pay penalties if they did) Aug 31 01:38:01 rwatkins, installing the 2.2.0 sdk for me shows image presets for pre3, pre & pixi res Aug 31 01:38:01 yeah. tall window is tall. Aug 31 01:38:07 the sold the ones already boxed and shipped, they now are putting together the ones they already ordered the parts for. Aug 31 01:38:21 the source, futureshop Aug 31 01:38:33 i see. they should sell them in kit form for $50 haha Aug 31 01:38:52 directhex: hm, will put the file back to its original name and try again. last time there was some voodoo around the filename Aug 31 01:39:22 anyway, bed FOR REAL Aug 31 01:40:01 ya, just give me the white shell and I'll make a 32GB PandaPad Aug 31 01:41:34 ah, there we go. have my pre3 image. god knows why the vmdk file name matters. Aug 31 01:41:58 consistent naming would be ... nice. Aug 31 01:43:38 But thatd be too easy Aug 31 01:43:38 lol... https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17900&view=unread#unread "I need 25 32gig touchpads, 12 16gig, and 15 64gig .. and 10 pre 3's" Aug 31 01:45:26 lol Aug 31 01:51:03 * oil needs 52 touchpads and 10 pre3s too Aug 31 01:51:40 to make a bed out of them and roll around on it Aug 31 01:51:45 naked Aug 31 01:53:02 it is people like this dude who kept many, many people from laying hands on a $99/$149 TP to begin with Aug 31 01:53:03 I just want one pre2 Aug 31 01:53:31 put me down for 50 tp's and 30 pre3's Aug 31 01:53:53 the entitlement in that off-topic forum is hilarious Aug 31 01:54:00 sign me up for 50 32GB's, too... but i also want 20-30 64GB's Aug 31 01:54:02 ill take 69 touchpads Aug 31 01:54:41 i mean if you can get them... get them. I don't have any hate. What really pisses me off are the people in the craigslist classifieds posting how you shouldn't buy b/c it is not worth it... my email to one today: Aug 31 01:54:57 and if i can sign up for a few dozen with 3G/4G, i would apprecite it so, so very much Aug 31 01:55:03 Hey Dumbass, Aug 31 01:55:03 Aug 31 01:55:03 How is 250 a 250% markup from $99? You might want to go back to remedial math you ignorant fucktard. Also, I recommend an economics class. It is called supply and demand. These things are a bitch to find and since there is a ton of homebrew development going on, people want to have these. Part of this is also related to hype. People pay more, this is their perogative. I assume you are just a pissy little girl who got sand Aug 31 01:55:03 in her vagina because you didn't get up in time to get one. Get a life and let the market deal with itself. Stupidass! Aug 31 01:55:03 Sincerely, Aug 31 01:55:03 A little smarter than you Aug 31 01:55:04 http://memphis.craigslist.org/sys/2572482323.html Aug 31 01:57:07 nope Aug 31 01:57:12 joshsage: i have not re-sold any touchpads, but i authored my own raging CL post, similar to yours, against someone who was posting "warnings" against people who were reselling their TP's for $150-$200 Aug 31 01:57:15 but yep on the markup error haha Aug 31 01:57:38 the person called this reselling a scam... Aug 31 01:57:46 it's not a scam Aug 31 01:58:49 jmichaelx, i mean i don't hate people trying to make a buck. I got two and contemplated flipping.. But I am in law school and my fiance is in phd/mba.... We use the shit out of out 32gb tp's. Doc editing is sweet now too. I really don't care so much about android b/c as it is right now, my bat life DOMINATES Aug 31 01:59:08 <|smash> hello. my email app seems broken. my account syncs fine, but when I open a message, I see no content. just the subject. Aug 31 01:59:44 no, it is certainly not a scam. if i knew i could have picked one up on CL for $180, i would have. as it was, i spent 2 hours on the road to get mine, and spent $140 (with tax, at office depot). i would have happily paid $40 in profit in someone and saved my time/gasoline Aug 31 02:00:08 to someone* Aug 31 02:00:46 if i'd had the opportunity to empty my bank account on purchasing these, and resell them at 25% higher, i'd have done it, no questions asked. Aug 31 02:01:21 or at 150% higher... Aug 31 02:01:45 joshsage: yea, i am gradually liking my TP more and more... i like android, but honestly webOS is too nice to ditch, and i was attracted by the ability to install a chrooted ubuntu... Aug 31 02:01:50 <|smash> hp made a bad move imho Aug 31 02:01:52 well, obv i would take more ;) if i'd been paying attention over that weekend, I would've done it Aug 31 02:02:12 their bad move was trying to sell it at hte same price as the ipad Aug 31 02:02:16 jmichaelx: yeah, i'm starting to like it more too, once i got over the "it's not smooth like a mobile device, it's jerky, like a computer" Aug 31 02:02:18 i got her and myself all 3 accessories and we use the mess out of them! Aug 31 02:02:20 hp made a terrible and stupid move.... epic stupid Aug 31 02:02:37 ericblade, did you oc and do the log fixes? Aug 31 02:02:43 mine is smoooooth now Aug 31 02:02:46 joshsage: i totally believe you. i feel bad that i have one, and my gf does not Aug 31 02:02:51 joshsage: patches yes, log fixes, yes. not oc'ing Aug 31 02:03:10 hmm... may oc would be the missing link. Mine is smooth Aug 31 02:03:39 EricBlade: yes, it can be a little jerky. i have also noticed the brief freezing occasionally, but it does not bother me at all Aug 31 02:03:55 joshsage: maybe. . but i compare it to my ipod. not only do apps almost always launch instantly on my ipod, but i have -never- had an app wait more more than a second, let alone a minute, for input to take Aug 31 02:04:14 oc'ing is tempting, but if i fry this thing, i won't be able to replace it... way to poor Aug 31 02:04:16 too* Aug 31 02:04:26 <|smash> rockin my pre plus.. :p not to be a jerk.. but general touchpad chat is in #touchpad I need help with ma email! Aug 31 02:04:49 |smash: jerk! Aug 31 02:04:54 (sorry) Aug 31 02:04:58 <|smash> guilty. lol Aug 31 02:05:01 lol Aug 31 02:05:31 yea, i apologize to all webos devs who have had their irc channel trashed as of the past few weeks Aug 31 02:06:05 <|smash> anyone have any idea what might be up with my email app tho? I can read my mail. it really sucks. Aug 31 02:06:36 |smash: I AM SURE I HAVE NO ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT HAVE YOU DONE THE UPGRADE ALREADY TO 3.0.2? Aug 31 02:06:39 <|smash> I guess I could open up debian chroot and install pine... lol Aug 31 02:06:53 ok, sorry.... accidentally hit caps lock Aug 31 02:07:04 <|smash> um, no. 2.1 palm pre plus.. Aug 31 02:07:15 |smash: did you do a debian chroot? Aug 31 02:07:38 ach, on a palm pre... now i really wanna know if you did a linuc chroot Aug 31 02:07:38 <|smash> yeah! did that break it? Aug 31 02:08:03 |smash: i cannot see how that would break anything, but debian on a phone would be so sweet Aug 31 02:08:15 <|smash> its cool. Aug 31 02:08:30 |smash: did you install a gui with it? Aug 31 02:08:35 <|smash> I don't see how that would break it either. Aug 31 02:08:52 an X? Aug 31 02:08:57 <|smash> icewm is the only thing I can get to work so far. Aug 31 02:08:57 and* Aug 31 02:09:20 |smash: that would be as heavy a gui as i'd want on a phone anyways Aug 31 02:09:44 <-- #touchpad Aug 31 02:09:51 <|smash> yeah. there is lxde but it won't work. also matchbox..$ Aug 31 02:09:54 haeffb: joining you Aug 31 02:10:28 where is the NuttyBunny? Aug 31 02:10:36 HAEFFB! Aug 31 02:10:39 i am using lxde (at least the panel) on a little zipit z2 (which is pretty sweet, i might add) Aug 31 02:10:48 <|smash> definitely not going to install gnome. :p Aug 31 02:11:17 what's up LarrySteeze ? Aug 31 02:11:27 |smash: you should install the ubuntu gui on chroot and run wine to run the webos emulator Aug 31 02:11:29 |smash: installing gnome would be ridiculous.... but then i wouldn't even install gnome on a desktop Aug 31 02:11:40 * jmichaelx initiates DE flame war Aug 31 02:12:01 <|smash> I had one of those. the keyboard was poop imho. and no touch. that's what I learned to use pine on! lol Aug 31 02:12:27 <|smash> lmfao @ larrySteeze Aug 31 02:12:51 |smash: yea, the keyboards are not perfect... if i do much, i ssh into it when possible Aug 31 02:13:15 hi does anyone here having a problem making a devolper account Aug 31 02:13:24 <|smash> yeah.. but then what's it for? you know? lol Aug 31 02:14:04 |smash: i use mine to play pandora more than anything right now Aug 31 02:14:30 <|smash> because if you are on a device you can ssh into things with... it can do what the zip it can do. yeah! pandora. right on. Aug 31 02:15:45 yea, but i do not need to ssh into it all the time.... and i like being able to play internet radio streams, or pandora, on a device that uses 5kw.... and that is with the speakers Aug 31 02:16:20 5w, rather Aug 31 02:16:34 5kw would be a rather extreme device ;-D Aug 31 02:17:07 <|smash> right on. yeah. I like my pre. didn't need the zip it any more. it was cool tho. Aug 31 02:17:22 <|smash> agreed. lol Aug 31 02:17:48 i want to be another zipit or two... i had heard that they could be had for $15 recently, and forgot to look around Aug 31 02:18:03 s/be/buy Aug 31 02:18:48 #phonegap Aug 31 02:18:51 JOIN Aug 31 02:18:55 <|smash> crazy. got mine for 40. like 2 years ago. Aug 31 02:19:35 |smash: it's just that the company that makes them does not support them anymore, so it's firesale time... kinda like TPs Aug 31 02:19:56 heh Aug 31 02:20:07 <|smash> ah. Aug 31 02:20:16 but they are cool, and i'd like a few more for possible robotics projects down the road Aug 31 02:20:23 i jus subbed an update, and instead of hte "your app has been submitted" email, this time i got a "your app is being reviewed" email Aug 31 02:20:39 <|smash> how long till apple buys google? or vice versa? lol Aug 31 02:20:44 fxspec06: sounds like good news Aug 31 02:20:58 well i have no idea what it means Aug 31 02:21:24 just because it's a different email doesn't mean it'll go thru any faster Aug 31 02:21:42 fxspec06: yea, i giess it sounds (to me) slightly better than just an acknowledgement that it was submitted (although might be the exact same thing) Aug 31 02:22:13 lol i hope it means they'll look at it sooner. but i don't see how that's possible unless they hired more people Aug 31 02:22:30 which i guess could happen Aug 31 02:23:10 fxspec06: well, i would certainly say that there has been a rather extreme spike in interest for TP apps Aug 31 02:23:32 woot Aug 31 02:23:42 an update is available for wildn? Aug 31 02:24:53 hey all Aug 31 02:26:35 LarrySteeze: not YET Aug 31 02:26:44 there is an update available for me! Aug 31 02:26:53 but right now Aug 31 02:26:55 hey fxspec06 Aug 31 02:27:01 what update? Aug 31 02:27:06 "Your App Is Being Reviewed" Aug 31 02:27:10 ah Aug 31 02:27:18 Wild'n? Aug 31 02:27:26 App catalog so needs to cache its data requests. geesh. Aug 31 02:28:04 half tempted to go in there and re-write it. Aug 31 02:28:53 r there any apps that are Enyo and have access to the on-device audio files? Aug 31 02:29:21 uh, the default Music app. Aug 31 02:29:32 I didn't find that app in the SDK Aug 31 02:29:39 can we still use it for reference?' Aug 31 02:30:02 I'm not an HP lawyer, but I'm sure you can. Aug 31 02:30:17 Adora: you there? Aug 31 02:30:23 I want to make sure before I do :) Aug 31 02:30:26 or sugardave Aug 31 02:30:39 nobody's gonna stop you from reading the source code for it. Aug 31 02:30:46 rwatkins: trye Aug 31 02:30:49 true* Aug 31 02:30:58 I wrote my first mojo app with a large amount of reading of Music and Pandora. Aug 31 02:31:10 rwatkins: what was it? Aug 31 02:31:21 hell of alot better info than the docs. Aug 31 02:31:36 yeah Aug 31 02:31:36 never released - streaming music application for Thumbplay. Aug 31 02:31:56 I work better with using working source as my documents, and then the actual docs whenever I need Aug 31 02:32:39 neither app is a "simple example" though. but an example that works. Aug 31 02:32:53 that's all I need Aug 31 02:33:13 I just want a good example on how they display/use the music handling Aug 31 02:33:58 *sigh* pre3 Enyo is still the 3.0.0 one, not 3.0.2 one. And dog slow. :/ Aug 31 02:34:22 wow... the music app has tons of source.. Aug 31 02:34:38 which music app Aug 31 02:34:45 the stock touchpad one Aug 31 02:34:48 indeed. Aug 31 02:35:19 hmm.. I wonder if they are using a node service in here..? Aug 31 02:35:27 look at email too. most of the "main" HP apps are pretty complicated and clearly written by several people with different styles. Aug 31 02:35:29 * PatrickC_TP decides to take a further look Aug 31 02:36:37 46 lines in the depends Aug 31 02:36:40 .js* Aug 31 02:37:52 when i said neither were a "simple example" i ment it. Aug 31 02:38:01 yeah.. I see that Aug 31 02:42:45 weird.. I don't see where they push the main js file... Aug 31 02:48:10 PatrickC_TP: the main bit is in source/app.js Aug 31 02:48:38 rwatkins: I know, but I didn't see where they pushed that Aug 31 02:48:55 because it wasn't in the index.html, it was in the main.html Aug 31 02:49:18 right, index.html loads the launcher, which loads the main.html card Aug 31 02:49:34 its a nowindow app Aug 31 02:49:40 so the first card starts hidden Aug 31 02:50:14 yeah, found that out Aug 31 02:50:16 thanks :) Aug 31 02:50:30 now, to find out why it won't display my main scene Aug 31 02:54:17 ok.. now I did it.. :P Aug 31 02:54:36 the app works, but it pushes the musicapps main stage, not mine lol Aug 31 02:57:48 what I just did will probable make the app mad, but ohwell.. lol Aug 31 02:59:02 if i don't specify what Kind something is, then .. what is it? Aug 31 02:59:14 not sure Aug 31 02:59:20 yep.. I broke it lol Aug 31 02:59:31 one of my bits that are still leftover from the tutorial app is a field that i'm using that does not have a Kind specified, so I don't really know what iti s **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 31 02:59:57 2011