**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 01 02:59:57 2011
Sep 01 03:00:51 <jacques> anyone else have their $50 promo code disappear?
Sep 01 03:01:17 <rwhitby> jacques: they were only valid to the end of august
Sep 01 03:01:22 <HattCzech> never had one, so couldn't say
Sep 01 03:02:06 <jacques> going to check my email
Sep 01 03:03:41 <rwatkins> "You'll have until December 31, 2011 to use the $50 App Catalog credit." ?
Sep 01 03:03:56 <jacques> 20.10 USD	1/1/2012 03:00
Sep 01 03:03:58 <jacques> yeah
Sep 01 03:04:08 <jacques> so why is it not working when I try to buy things anymore :-\
Sep 01 03:04:43 <rwatkins> its the 25% HP product discount for those that signed up for alerts that should expire today
Sep 01 03:05:12 <rwatkins> i have yet to get my $50 as HP is still going around in circles trying to validate my purchase.
Sep 01 03:05:52 <jacques> the $50 promo is 36 characters. I really don't want to type it in manually
Sep 01 03:09:04 <Bmyers> anyone got one of these? http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Glare-Protector-Detachable-Multi-Angle-Aurum/dp/B005IG6WEO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_5
Sep 01 03:15:31 <EricBlade-TP> kevets  I would love to get my app on a phone too however I don't have access to a phone device and have no idea how you could reasonably fit a touchpad dual pane interface to fit onto a tiny display
Sep 01 03:16:43 <rwatkins> you put a multi pane display on a phone by having each pane navigate rather than slide
Sep 01 03:17:19 <EricBlade-TP> I need to figure out ways around my two bugs that are working in chrome and not in webOS though, and then I'm mostly ready
Sep 01 03:17:37 <roy-pre1011> Tibfib: You around?
Sep 01 03:18:08 <jaf0> any js guru around?
Sep 01 03:18:16 <rwatkins> EricBlade-TP: compare the screenshots here: http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/screenshots.html
Sep 01 03:18:51 <rwatkins> TouchPad and Pre3 all the same app and components.  Sliding panes turn into Pane navigation automatically based on screen width
Sep 01 03:20:45 <EricBlade-TP> so theoretically a dual pane sliding view app should just work
Sep 01 03:20:57 <rwatkins> indeed
Sep 01 03:21:02 <EricBlade-TP> on a pre3. if there were any pre3s
Sep 01 03:21:15 <rwatkins> or in chrome if you just drag you window fairly narrow.
Sep 01 03:22:05 <rwatkins> thats the impressive Enyo demo - running email in Chrome and then you drag the window smaller and "boom!" like magic it just fixes the layout.
Sep 01 03:22:08 <rwatkins> live.
Sep 01 03:23:09 <EricBlade-TP>  yea well the email app is completely useless with qtys o
Sep 01 03:23:17 <EricBlade-TP> largish qtys  of email
Sep 01 03:24:13 <rwatkins> how much is "largish"?  I have 700 messages in my inbox, and email is fine.
Sep 01 03:24:30 <EricBlade-TP> I'm going back to my pod for email because I can have email open with 20 folders and the rest of the system still runs
Sep 01 03:25:29 <rwatkins> dunno whats wrong with your email - I have 70+ folders, 700 msgs in my inbox and likely email in the folders going back 20 yrs.
Sep 01 03:25:36 <EricBlade-TP> Watkins I have maybe 250 messages across 3 accounts and 8? folders. loading mail slows the whole thing nearly to a halt, and I can't launch any other cards until I close mail and wait several minutes
Sep 01 03:25:53 <rwatkins> and thats one of two accounts.
Sep 01 03:26:03 <Shadyman> Hmm. If I've got a JSON object like this: http://pastebin.com/CYhHFZu6 , what's the most efficient way to get the one that's size:"medium"? (Assuming there is no particular order to them)
Sep 01 03:26:14 <EricBlade-TP> well if my toucjpad had the whole email jndex it wojkd be 80,000+
Sep 01 03:27:57 <EricBlade-TP> the spellchecker in wirc  seems less functional than other apps
Sep 01 03:28:39 <rwatkins> _.select(obj, function(item) { return item.size == "medium"} ).first()
Sep 01 03:28:50 <EricBlade-TP> btw those paper mache  screen shots show a much nicer interface than the three pane layout in mail.  the small, touches there make a big difference I bet
Sep 01 03:29:29 <Shadyman> rwatkins: WIN
Sep 01 03:29:30 <rwatkins> assuming you use underscore to get each() and first().  otherwise write your own iterator
Sep 01 03:29:41 <Shadyman> oh
Sep 01 03:29:42 <Shadyman> hm
Sep 01 03:30:06 <rwatkins> there are enyo versions of those I think - check the API docs.
Sep 01 03:30:21 <rwatkins> EricBlade-TP: thx
Sep 01 03:31:50 <EricBlade-TP> ok dumb question ..  what does the led in the home button signify?
Sep 01 03:32:24 <wrea> notification alert
Sep 01 03:32:38 <wrea> new email, im, facebook etc
Sep 01 03:32:42 <rwatkins> var medium = null; enyo.forEach(jsonObj, function(item) { if (item.size == "medium") { foo = item } });
Sep 01 03:32:57 <rwatkins> assuming there is only one medium, otherwise that gets you the last one.
Sep 01 03:33:33 <EricBlade-TP> I was thinking it wAS a storage access light its on and off pretty regularly
Sep 01 03:34:07 <rwatkins> ha, hdd led instead of mail notification.  nice.
Sep 01 03:34:34 <EricBlade-TP> yeah it just turned on for no obvious reASon after being off for some timr
Sep 01 03:34:43 <jaf0> rwatkins:
Sep 01 03:35:33 <rwatkins> its because Blackberry does it.   business people like having a soft LED tell them there is new email.
Sep 01 03:35:42 <rwatkins> jaf0:
Sep 01 03:40:28 * sugardave has become Death.
Sep 01 03:40:46 <EricBlade-TP> I'd like to have a lot of indicators. that'd be nice.  make it hitchhiker guide like haha
Sep 01 03:42:07 <EricBlade-TP> another thing I didn't see in the manual, in one corner of the display there is something that looks like either an infrared receiver or a light sensor of some kind..
Sep 01 03:44:41 * DougReeder waves hello
Sep 01 03:45:18 * DougReeder yawns "excuse me"
Sep 01 03:45:56 <rwatkins> its a slot for the sim card for the 3g version.  which this is not.
Sep 01 04:05:35 <rwatkins> ok, its 12:01 - where's my new Pivot?
Sep 01 04:11:47 <DougReeder> Heh.
Sep 01 04:30:50 <edude03> hey rwatkins did you find some pre3s yet ?:P
Sep 01 04:32:49 <EricBlade-TP> Watkins no its a spot literally in the upper corner of the display.
Sep 01 04:33:21 <EricBlade-TP> must be somethingmimportant my screen protector also had a tiny cutout for it
Sep 01 04:39:49 <jaf0> hey rwatkins?
Sep 01 04:41:16 <rwatkins> yes?
Sep 01 04:45:00 <Shadyman> Hmmmm. /proc/tty/drivers shows "usbserial            /dev/ttyUSB   188 0-253 serial"... I posit that if I can get it to produce power, I should be able to make it USB Host a serial link
Sep 01 04:45:26 <Shadyman> s/produce power/drop 100mA on USB+5V
Sep 01 04:46:03 <jaf0> you used array.forEach before?
Sep 01 04:46:23 <jaf0> in enyo?
Sep 01 04:47:33 <wrea> When doing make stage, glib errors saying it needs to have me disable building in thread support
Sep 01 04:48:43 <PatrickC_TP> argh..
Sep 01 04:48:48 * PatrickC_TP kicks cygwin
Sep 01 04:48:49 <rwatkins> jaf0: yes
Sep 01 04:48:56 <PatrickC_TP> jaf0: hey!
Sep 01 04:50:14 <jaf0> forEach(inArray, function) --- how do you define the function, like how do you reference array, is it $?
Sep 01 04:50:36 <jaf0> @patrickC_TP sup sup sup.
Sep 01 04:50:41 <PatrickC_TP> nm
Sep 01 04:50:59 <PatrickC_TP> where is the meeting place? do you think that Chick-Fil-A/Starbucks would be fine?
Sep 01 04:51:07 <PatrickC_TP> or should we try and get a conference room?
Sep 01 04:51:42 <rwatkins> enyo.forEach(inArray, inFunc, inContext) or just javascipt Array.forEach() ?
Sep 01 04:51:58 <jaf0> right...
Sep 01 04:52:15 <rwatkins> enyo.forEach(myArray, function(item) { /* stuff */ } );
Sep 01 04:52:17 <jaf0> @rwatkins: right, but in the function, how do you reference the array?
Sep 01 04:52:29 <jaf0> ok.
Sep 01 04:52:34 * PatrickC_TP hates cygwin
Sep 01 04:52:38 <rwatkins> just create an anonymouse function.  the arg is each element of the array
Sep 01 04:53:23 <EricBlade-TP> I think I'm going to take tomorrow to document All of the code that I've got as well as writing a journal or blog or something detailing various things I've learned since coming to the webOS community not that any of you care but I figured itnwould be han
Sep 01 04:53:23 <EricBlade-TP> dy for helping me to remember stuff and maybe help some other total noobs
Sep 01 04:53:26 <jaf0> function(x) { if (x==desiredvalue) return true; return false } ?
Sep 01 04:54:00 <rwatkins> return will not exit the forEach
Sep 01 04:54:37 <HattCzech> can anyone help me with peoplepicker? or a more specific question... can i put it in a list instead of a popup?
Sep 01 04:54:41 <jaf0> ok. i think i got it now...
Sep 01 04:54:47 * jaf0 squints for a while.
Sep 01 04:55:08 <jaf0> @patrickC_TP i suppose. somewhere cheap. me broke.
Sep 01 04:55:12 <rwatkins> var flag = false; enyo.forEach(array, function(item) { if (item.x =="bar) { flag = true; } });
Sep 01 04:55:14 <EricBlade-TP> ok time to leave the evening job bbl
Sep 01 04:55:17 <rwatkins> if flag == true ...
Sep 01 04:55:18 <PatrickC_TP> jaf0: same here
Sep 01 04:55:25 <PatrickC_TP> I don't know of any cheap places though..
Sep 01 04:55:32 <PatrickC_TP> I can check around at hhotels, bbut idk
Sep 01 04:55:50 <jaf0> naah, hehe. BNA.
Sep 01 04:55:55 <jaf0> free wifi?
Sep 01 04:55:58 <jaf0> power points.
Sep 01 04:56:06 <jaf0> food court
Sep 01 04:56:08 <jaf0> security
Sep 01 04:56:08 <PatrickC_TP> does BNA have meeting places?
Sep 01 04:56:17 <jaf0> baggage claim #1 ;)
Sep 01 04:56:19 <PatrickC_TP> I've only been there once
Sep 01 04:56:21 <PatrickC_TP> haha
Sep 01 04:56:55 * PatrickC_TP goes to find an alternative to Cygwin
Sep 01 04:58:18 <ka6sox> l i n u x
Sep 01 04:58:22 <Shadyman> ^
Sep 01 04:58:50 <PatrickC_TP> ka6sox: when you can't install linux, then what?
Sep 01 04:58:55 <Shadyman> livecd
Sep 01 04:58:59 <HattCzech> virtualbox with ubuntu?
Sep 01 04:59:02 <Shadyman> liveUSB?
Sep 01 04:59:10 <ka6sox> what Shadyman says
Sep 01 04:59:21 <Shadyman> Hm. According to http://www.kernel.org/pub//scm/linux/kernel/git/jejb/storage-tree/drivers/usb/otg/msm_otg.c , there might be some GPIO that needs to be poked to enable USB OTG. Hmmm.
Sep 01 04:59:28 <HattCzech> if you're doing webos emulation, then you have virtualbox
Sep 01 04:59:29 <wrea> wubi?
Sep 01 04:59:47 <PatrickC_TP> wrea: tried wubi
Sep 01 04:59:52 <jaf0> wubi?
Sep 01 04:59:56 <PatrickC_TP> bootloader didn't properly install
Sep 01 05:00:04 <jaf0> patrickc: dualboot!
Sep 01 05:00:10 <wrea> weird, never had problems with that
Sep 01 05:00:12 <jaf0> who needs Win7 anyway?!
Sep 01 05:00:20 <PatrickC_TP> jaf0: not allowed to repatriation :)
Sep 01 05:00:24 <PatrickC_TP> and this is for XP
Sep 01 05:00:38 <sugardave> it's probably easier to figure out how to use cygwin correctly...
Sep 01 05:00:41 <HattCzech> PatrickC_TP: do youhave virtualbox installed?
Sep 01 05:00:54 <PatrickC_TP> HattCzech: computer has 512 MB RAM
Sep 01 05:00:58 <HattCzech> sugardave!... i don't suppose you could answer my peoplepicker question
Sep 01 05:01:00 <jaf0> patrick: install ubuntu to a USB and boot?
Sep 01 05:01:02 <HattCzech> ouch
Sep 01 05:01:06 <HattCzech> buy more ram? :)
Sep 01 05:01:09 <PatrickC_TP> sugardave: I installed cygwin correctly
Sep 01 05:01:12 <PatrickC_TP> it errors out
Sep 01 05:01:17 <sugardave> use
Sep 01 05:01:18 <jaf0> patrick: exactly why you need to run ubuntu.
Sep 01 05:01:20 <sugardave> not install
Sep 01 05:01:20 <PatrickC_TP> HattCzech: not worth it, I'm getting a mac soon
Sep 01 05:01:34 <PatrickC_TP> sugardave: I can't use it if it errors out
Sep 01 05:01:34 <HattCzech> good idea... pro or air?
Sep 01 05:01:38 <HattCzech> (or desktop?)
Sep 01 05:01:38 <sugardave> HattCzech: doubtful, but go ahead
Sep 01 05:01:42 <PatrickC_TP> HattCzech: pro probably
Sep 01 05:01:48 <PatrickC_TP> but maybe ini
Sep 01 05:01:49 <PatrickC_TP> mini*
Sep 01 05:01:57 <HattCzech> nice, i'd want one if they didn't have a glossy screen
Sep 01 05:02:01 <sugardave> PatrickC_TP: so you can't run the cywin shell?
Sep 01 05:02:07 <HattCzech> can i use peoplepicker in a list instead of the popup?
Sep 01 05:02:15 <rwatkins> glossy screens are indeed annoying
Sep 01 05:02:24 <PatrickC_TP> sugardave: I can, but it gels me that /usr/bin/sed and /usr/grep aren't found
Sep 01 05:02:39 <sugardave> PatrickC_TP: did you install them?
Sep 01 05:02:44 <PatrickC_TP> yes
Sep 01 05:02:49 <PatrickC_TP> I installed everything
Sep 01 05:03:00 <sugardave> everything...that's quite a lot
Sep 01 05:03:04 <PatrickC_TP> and su doesn't work, nor does sudo, or make (which I also intsalled)
Sep 01 05:03:05 <PatrickC_TP> I know
Sep 01 05:03:07 <PatrickC_TP> 1GB
Sep 01 05:03:10 <PatrickC_TP> approx
Sep 01 05:03:41 <sugardave> it's odd that the shell can run, yet seems to know about no binaries
Sep 01 05:03:53 <PatrickC_TP> yeah
Sep 01 05:03:56 <sugardave> HattCzech: no idea, is it a special kind?
Sep 01 05:04:07 <PatrickC_TP> I need cygwin for phonegap (I think?)
Sep 01 05:04:14 <PatrickC_TP> the #phonegap channel isn't very helpful
Sep 01 05:04:17 <sugardave> like, you must have done something weird when you installed it
Sep 01 05:04:19 <HattCzech> it's a palm one... to access it, the kind is com.palm.library.contactsui.peoplePicker
Sep 01 05:04:30 <sugardave> because I have never seen anything like that before
Sep 01 05:05:54 <riskish> just submitted my first webos app to the app catalog. now to wait for approval.
Sep 01 05:06:02 <sugardave> HattCzech: I am too exhausted to look at it atm :/, is it failing to render or something?
Sep 01 05:06:03 <Shadyman> oneEyed.oneHorned.blind.purple.peoplePicker ?
Sep 01 05:06:12 <riskish> anyone know how long it usually takes?
Sep 01 05:06:37 <HattCzech> the popup appears, i just don't want it in a popup
Sep 01 05:07:11 <HattCzech> i have to define the kind, then call pickPerson() on it
Sep 01 05:07:16 <PatrickC_TP> riskish: a few days
Sep 01 05:07:27 <riskish> patrickC_TP: cool
Sep 01 05:08:17 <sugardave> HattCzech: have you tried extending it yet?
Sep 01 05:08:33 <HattCzech> what do you mean?
Sep 01 05:09:22 <sugardave> make your own kind of that type and override stuff
Sep 01 05:09:37 <sugardave> cut/paste liberally :D
Sep 01 05:11:38 <HattCzech> hmmm, heheh
Sep 01 05:11:43 <HattCzech> i may have to do that
Sep 01 05:13:21 <jaf0> @rwatkins: does the forEach have any indexing capability? does it know which iteration it's on?
Sep 01 05:14:19 <Shadyman> jaf0: For each loops generally don't
Sep 01 05:14:33 <Shadyman> jaf0: Unless you explicitly put in a counter of some kind, ie "i++"
Sep 01 05:14:51 <jaf0> shadyman: its the "enyo.forEach" function.
Sep 01 05:15:04 <Shadyman> not sure
Sep 01 05:15:23 <jaf0> i don't suppose the array object itself knows which it is, i suppose I could add "index": #
Sep 01 05:15:37 <rwatkins> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/array/foreach
Sep 01 05:15:46 <sugardave> it's the second argument to the function
Sep 01 05:15:58 <sugardave> fn(item, index){...}
Sep 01 05:16:06 <sugardave> usually
Sep 01 05:16:14 <sugardave> that's what it was in Prototype's each
Sep 01 05:16:37 <onr> "enyo" sounds like an air conditioner brand, or flash heater
Sep 01 05:16:39 <rwatkins> its also in plain javascripts Array.forEach
Sep 01 05:16:52 <sugardave> there you go
Sep 01 05:17:05 <rwatkins> docs people, read the docs.  :)
Sep 01 05:17:18 <jaf0> i did but didn't quite grasp it ryan :)
Sep 01 05:17:27 <jaf0> (i actually had that link up in FF)
Sep 01 05:17:43 <rwatkins> onr: rather than the greek goddess of war?
Sep 01 05:17:47 <sugardave> it is confusing when you first start learning that stuff...it was for me
Sep 01 05:18:07 <rwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enyo
Sep 01 05:18:41 <sugardave> somebody with a production TP tell me what build/version it's on?
Sep 01 05:18:46 <onr> rwatkins: yeah. enyo is just a pretty brand for small household appliances
Sep 01 05:19:47 <rwatkins> "Enyo is responsible for orchestrating the destruction of cities ...  Enyo inflicted horror and bloodshed ..."
Sep 01 05:19:54 <PatrickC_TP> umm.. this is a little old, isn't it? <SCRIPT language="JavaScript">
Sep 01 05:21:25 <rwatkins> sugardave: where do you find build # ?
Sep 01 05:21:46 <sugardave> rwatkins: if you tap the version
Sep 01 05:21:52 <onr> rwatkins: http://www.tefal.co.uk/
Sep 01 05:22:19 <rwatkins> ah.
Sep 01 05:22:29 <rwatkins> 3.0.2 build 68
Sep 01 05:22:48 <sugardave> thanks!
Sep 01 05:31:08 <{DV8}> Ìû
Sep 01 05:55:22 <riskish> how do we change the icon that the app displays, the one you click, on the tablet?
Sep 01 05:58:32 <riskish> is webOS being shut down by hp? or is it uncertain?
Sep 01 06:02:31 <jaf0> riskish:
Sep 01 06:02:44 <jaf0> which app?
Sep 01 06:03:16 <jaf0> appinfo.json -> icon: "path_to_icon.png",
Sep 01 06:03:17 <riskish> oh i mean on an app im building
Sep 01 06:03:19 <riskish> oh
Sep 01 06:03:44 <riskish> thats easy
Sep 01 06:04:01 <jaf0> there's also splashicon: "foo.png",
Sep 01 06:04:09 <riskish> oh nice
Sep 01 06:09:20 <kesne> Dawg
Sep 01 07:38:47 <EricBlade> ok, how the heck can i debug what is going on differently in https requests between chrome, and webos ?
Sep 01 07:40:21 <EricBlade> i've got several that work both places, and several that only work on Chrome.  i'm going insane.
Sep 01 07:41:31 <EricBlade> i attempted to use xhr, but that just resulted in a syntax error occuring somewhere in enyo
Sep 01 07:51:06 <EricBlade> figured out my problem with xhr (misread "url" for "uri") but still can't get it to work properly
Sep 01 07:51:17 <ka6sox> hape, ping?
Sep 01 08:56:33 <EricBlade> wow i guess flash-on-linux still sucks pretty much . i load a flash thing, it plays for a couple minutes, i hear 'BING" then I get the HP logo as it reboots.
Sep 01 09:04:28 <ka6sox> is BT-spp supported in jails?
Sep 01 09:08:52 <hotdp> http://vr-zone.com/articles/hp-touchpad-at-comex-2011-draws-huge-angry-crowd/13460.html
Sep 01 09:09:08 <smash> anyone know why music app won't see my music? I can play it through steaming player through internalz..
Sep 01 09:11:50 <hotdp> smash: what format is it?
Sep 01 09:12:22 <smash> mp3. same tunes I had on here before..
Sep 01 09:13:34 <hotdp> så no fancy flac lossless ?
Sep 01 09:13:38 <hotdp> ect
Sep 01 09:16:44 <smash> nope. I was even playing them in dosbox with mpxplay.. well.. kind-of playing them.. lol very stuttery.
Sep 01 09:17:52 <smash> also, I have shut the thing off. coooold boot. even took the battery out.
Sep 01 09:18:51 <smash> trying preware 'rescan' thing...
Sep 01 09:19:54 <smash> no love.. also I renamed my music folder to Music.. just in case... no pun intended.. :p
Sep 01 09:21:04 <smash> installed amigo and it sees nothing either..
Sep 01 09:29:06 <smash> guess I'll just cry about it.. :((
Sep 01 10:58:59 <Freman> so... could I upload enyo to my webserver and dev on there (eventually pushing to my touch pad)
Sep 01 10:59:52 <pcworld> as long as it's not public nobody will care I think
Sep 01 10:59:56 <Freman> couldn’t expect preferences and stuff to work could I?
Sep 01 11:00:33 <pcworld> what do you mean?
Sep 01 11:00:38 <Freman> yeh I don’t mean for the code to be available beyond being part of the application I’m developing - I’m just finding it a pain to be tethered to a virtual machine
Sep 01 11:01:23 <Freman> being able to log into my machine and use regular text editors and just hit refresh in chrome... would be more useful - I might actually get something done :D
Sep 01 11:04:02 <ArtworkAD> Hi, how long does it take to get an approve for my update?
Sep 01 11:04:11 <ArtworkAD> its been in queue for 7 days now
Sep 01 11:06:48 <Freman> I’d imagine it depends on the backlog, staff availability, public holidays, the length of a piece of string
Sep 01 11:09:08 <pcworld> and bugs...
Sep 01 11:10:28 <pcworld> nothing abnormal when an app becomes stuck in a queue (@Adora)
Sep 01 11:10:35 <ArtworkAD> I have a massive bug in my app that needs to be updated...hope the hurry^^
Sep 01 11:10:44 <ArtworkAD> they*
Sep 01 11:11:31 <pcworld> if it takes more than two weeks I'd write e-mails to pdc
Sep 01 11:11:45 <pcworld> what apps do you have in the app catalog?
Sep 01 11:12:32 <ArtworkAD> Just one "smsflatrate", pcworld I remember you helped me in the forum with my sms stuff it really worked out thank you :)
Sep 01 11:14:19 <pcworld> did you get that contacts input field working?
Sep 01 11:17:10 <ArtworkAD> yes I use the people picker, but I forgot that a contact can have multiple phone numbers so in my update I a second view is pushed where the user can make a selection
Sep 01 11:17:23 <ArtworkAD> push*
Sep 01 11:17:34 <ArtworkAD> awwww my keyboard is messed up^^
Sep 01 11:18:20 <pcworld> but you still need to use the ppl picker, or did you get autocomplete working?
Sep 01 11:19:06 <ArtworkAD> no I could get the stuff that we extracted from simulator to get working, It was to complex^^^
Sep 01 11:19:14 <ArtworkAD> couldnt
Sep 01 11:20:19 <pcworld> I think it wouldn't have worked since the access to the contacts-db is denied for non-com.palm.*-apps
Sep 01 11:21:33 <ArtworkAD> yep, I only can be done with people picker
Sep 01 11:30:11 <technikfreak45> does anyone worked synergy plugins like icq on the hP ptuchpad??
Sep 01 11:32:40 <pcworld> I've heard the messaging plugins don't work on the TP currently
Sep 01 11:32:55 <technikfreak45> thats so said
Sep 01 11:55:13 <Freman> hehe my brother in law, his kids, his wife all have skype... I wonder how hard it would be to rig this thing to call all 5 of them (and his ipad) simultaniously :D
Sep 01 12:09:44 <Khaytsus> Doubt the mobile client does conferencing
Sep 01 14:16:38 <fxspec06> gmorning
Sep 01 14:46:03 <CTLAdvance> does webOS not support box shadow
Sep 01 14:47:36 <phoque> yes
Sep 01 14:48:45 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Sep 01 14:49:13 <CTLAdvance> -webkit-box-shadow: 10px 10px 5px #888;
Sep 01 14:49:13 <CTLAdvance>  
Sep 01 14:49:24 <CTLAdvance> something like that should work then correct
Sep 01 14:53:19 <plov> i might be wrong, last time i tried, didnt seem to support it
Sep 01 14:54:10 <CTLAdvance> yeah doesnt seem any shadows are working text or box
Sep 01 14:55:03 <plov> mcgriddles and sugar+coffee = whoaaa
Sep 01 14:56:21 <CTLAdvance> some sort of shadow is suppoerted, look at panels in the email app
Sep 01 14:56:41 <CTLAdvance> unless thats like a transparent png or painted div
Sep 01 15:00:15 <CTLAdvance> yeah looks like its not supported
Sep 01 15:22:30 * rwatkins-mbp needs to start using screen to avoid these duplicate logins.
Sep 01 15:22:48 <halfhalo> hah
Sep 01 15:23:18 <rwatkins-mbp> i forget to logut on my PC at home.  left myself logged in there for a week wen I went on vacation recently
Sep 01 15:23:30 <halfhalo> bouncer ftw
Sep 01 15:25:04 <rwatkins-mbp> hm
Sep 01 15:26:16 <rwatkins-mbp> woot, new version in catalog.  less than 36hr review turn around time!
Sep 01 15:37:32 <RagingMind> CTLAdvance, I recall someone in here saying that box shadows were only supported since 3.0.2
Sep 01 16:00:53 <CTLAdvance> well I am on 3.0.2 and its not working:)
Sep 01 16:00:58 <CTLAdvance> So looks like they arent
Sep 01 16:01:31 <CTLAdvance> Also anyone notice any issues with the photos app not properly viewing png based images
Sep 01 16:02:34 <CTLAdvance> I guess I need to further test this
Sep 01 16:03:24 <CTLAdvance> oh wait
Sep 01 16:03:26 <CTLAdvance> ....
Sep 01 16:03:54 <Tommy> sigh, who ever thought it was a good idea to only give offers of touchpads to those who signed up for email updates
Sep 01 16:04:21 <sbromwich> are there more touchpads available, or is the last run just for those who've already ordered?
Sep 01 16:05:42 <CTLAdvance> wait
Sep 01 16:05:47 <CTLAdvance> where did you see that tommy
Sep 01 16:06:07 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: HP announced it
Sep 01 16:06:11 <CTLAdvance> link
Sep 01 16:06:13 <CTLAdvance> ?
Sep 01 16:06:17 <CTLAdvance> I signed up :)
Sep 01 16:06:40 <Tommy> no link, find it yourself
Sep 01 16:06:43 <CTLAdvance> people didnt seem to care that day... now look at everyone muwahahahaha
Sep 01 16:07:06 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: i was just refreshing the page 300x a day
Sep 01 16:07:10 <Tommy> didn't sign up for updates
Sep 01 16:07:15 <CTLAdvance> oy
Sep 01 16:07:55 <CTLAdvance> I think HP changed the market forever with firesale prices
Sep 01 16:08:06 <CTLAdvance> lenovo just launched a 200 dollar android tab
Sep 01 16:08:41 <twbbas> Amazon is supposedly making a cheap tablet too
Sep 01 16:08:54 <twbbas> But I agree, tablet prices will go down in the future
Sep 01 16:09:07 <twbbas> Maybe not the iPad... but other alternatives won't launch for same price as iPad
Sep 01 16:09:32 <CTLAdvance> yep
Sep 01 16:10:05 <sugardave> karma's a bitch, they say
Sep 01 16:10:46 <sugardave> I just think she has a wicked sense of humor
Sep 01 16:11:17 <twbbas> http://www.somethingofthatilk.com/comics/278.jpg
Sep 01 16:11:23 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: orly
Sep 01 16:11:30 <Tommy> twbbas: the amazon tablet's 7" though
Sep 01 16:11:45 <twbbas> Really?
Sep 01 16:11:57 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: the acer iconia A500 16GB wifi was $299 at best buy long before the HP firesale :S
Sep 01 16:12:08 <twbbas> Still... I bet the average person would buy a $200 amazon tablet over a $500 iPad
Sep 01 16:12:11 <twbbas> even if it's smaller
Sep 01 16:12:14 <Tommy> so it's not like all tablets were incredibly expensive before HP threw away $400M on tablets
Sep 01 16:12:34 <Tommy> twbbas: well, amazon's coming out with a kal-el (quad core tegra 3) 10.1" tablet next year
Sep 01 16:13:01 <twbbas> maybe that's the one I thought about
Sep 01 16:13:15 <twbbas> is that the one that's "hundreds" cheaper than the iPad?
Sep 01 16:14:06 <Tommy> no, that's the 7" i believe
Sep 01 16:14:12 <Tommy> which comes out Q3 from what they say
Sep 01 16:14:13 <CTLAdvance> Many people are launching Kal-el so its not like amazon will be the only one
Sep 01 16:14:27 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: orly? how many kal-el devices have been announced?
Sep 01 16:14:44 <Tommy> last i checked zero, and nvidia said it wouldn't even be out till next year, the nexus was rumored to have it but obviously not
Sep 01 16:15:15 <Tommy> anyways this isn't webOS discussion, #android-offtopic if you want to talk about android tablets
Sep 01 16:17:15 <dockett> I need to get with a dev to make a photography portfolio app
Sep 01 16:17:39 <Tommy> i'm gonna develop an android theme for webOS
Sep 01 16:18:42 <dockett> Tommy that sounds like a fail to me
Sep 01 16:19:07 <Tommy> dockett: 'twas a joke, i don't code and i sure as hell wouldn't want to muddle up multiple OS'
Sep 01 16:19:16 <Tommy> i lurv android, but c'mah, use it or don't use it
Sep 01 16:19:17 <rwatkins-mbp> enyo theme for apps, or you just gonna hack the default files?
Sep 01 16:19:36 <rwatkins-mbp> cuz someone making other actual enyo themes would be ... good.
Sep 01 16:19:40 <Tommy> rwatkins-mbp: anyone that gets a theme for one OS on another OS is an absolute failure >.<
Sep 01 16:20:36 <dockett> I think I'm going to update my sticker theme for the tp once I get everything
Sep 01 16:20:40 <rwatkins-mbp> if your talknig about themeing the enitre OS perhaps.  but providing a couple other non-default enyo themes would show people how to theme their apps.  which would be good.
Sep 01 16:20:56 <rwatkins-mbp> there is support for it in the framework, but not really used
Sep 01 16:23:27 <HattCzech_work> (late) morning, all
Sep 01 16:32:48 <NuttyBunny> There: http://twitter.com/#!/cesarneg/status/109300838928883712
Sep 01 16:32:53 <NuttyBunny> hello all :)
Sep 01 16:33:24 <Tommy> rwatkins-mbp: i don't know what enyo means
Sep 01 16:33:57 <Tommy> sup NuttyBunny
Sep 01 16:35:35 <NuttyBunny> hey
Sep 01 16:39:41 <fxspec06> ugh. =( i'm sick
Sep 01 16:40:05 <Tommy> sadface
Sep 01 16:40:10 <Tommy> fxspec06: this'll make you feel better, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqwAmqr-gCU&feature=player_embedded
Sep 01 16:41:10 <fxspec06> lol
Sep 01 16:41:23 <fxspec06> omg lmao
Sep 01 16:41:32 <Tommy> :)
Sep 01 16:41:33 <fxspec06> is that matt damon
Sep 01 16:41:39 <Tommy> i don't think so.
Sep 01 16:41:41 <Bmyers_> i dont have any poptarts or enough style gel for the flock-o-seagulls hair :(
Sep 01 16:41:48 <Tommy> but it's a real commercial they aired, on actual television
Sep 01 16:41:54 <Tommy> which makes me bust up thinking about seeing that
Sep 01 16:41:55 <fxspec06> it looks like him on the left. i swear
Sep 01 16:42:59 <Tommy> hmm
Sep 01 16:43:58 <Tommy> google can't find it
Sep 01 16:53:42 <HattCzech_work> anyone updated xserver to the new version? 0.8.4? doesn't seem to open since i upgraded
Sep 01 16:54:02 <kesne> Why did I ever open source anything
Sep 01 16:57:39 <kesne> Jack87|Away: Pingity ping
Sep 01 16:58:22 <ka6sox-zzzz> kesne, so you could be famous?
Sep 01 16:58:31 <kesne> Haha
Sep 01 17:03:21 <kesne> NuttyBunny: Ping
Sep 01 17:04:40 <HattCzech_work> does putty work on the touchpad when dev mode is enabled?
Sep 01 17:04:52 <HattCzech_work> or just novaterm?
Sep 01 17:09:21 <Tommy> aww kesne left
Sep 01 17:09:33 <Tommy> i was gonna tell him a funny story about open source helping people :P
Sep 01 17:34:05 <fxspec06> wirc for $4.29
Sep 01 17:34:28 <twbbas> Saw that
Sep 01 17:34:38 <twbbas> It's been in the app cat a while
Sep 01 17:34:43 <fxspec06> lol i'm slow
Sep 01 17:34:48 <twbbas> they just added uirevision: 2 in this update
Sep 01 17:34:51 <twbbas> and back buttons
Sep 01 17:34:56 <twbbas> it's not the enyo version yet
Sep 01 17:35:06 <fxspec06> well ya i got it form preware
Sep 01 17:35:11 <fxspec06> i'll support it when i can
Sep 01 17:35:19 <twbbas> I'm gonna buy it once the enyo version gets released
Sep 01 17:35:30 <fxspec06> i gotta buy books soon =(
Sep 01 17:35:35 <twbbas> I already did that :\
Sep 01 17:35:37 <twbbas> hit me hard
Sep 01 17:35:40 <fxspec06> and a touchstone
Sep 01 17:35:49 <twbbas> touchstones are like $8 at the Palm store
Sep 01 17:35:53 <twbbas> fly to california
Sep 01 17:35:55 <fxspec06> touchpad touchstone
Sep 01 17:35:57 <twbbas> yeah
Sep 01 17:35:59 <twbbas> touchpad ones
Sep 01 17:36:03 <fxspec06> $8? lol
Sep 01 17:36:04 <twbbas> all hp accesories are $8
Sep 01 17:36:12 <twbbas> reg chargers are $5
Sep 01 17:36:18 <twbbas> pixis are $27
Sep 01 17:36:24 <twbbas> I'll show you the pic
Sep 01 17:36:42 <jmichaelx> touchpad touchstone for $8?
Sep 01 17:36:57 <fxspec06> if you live in california
Sep 01 17:37:00 <twbbas> http://www.fatwallet.com/static/attachments/110703_palm_sale.jpg
Sep 01 17:37:05 <twbbas> oh mb
Sep 01 17:37:14 <twbbas> I read it wrong earlier
Sep 01 17:37:24 <twbbas> I thought it said "ALL HP ACCESSORES" $8
Sep 01 17:37:45 <twbbas> They must be out of touchpads and touchpad chargers
Sep 01 17:37:52 <twbbas> touchpad touchstones*
Sep 01 17:37:55 <fxspec06> nj
Sep 01 17:37:59 <dwc-> palm store might be closed by now
Sep 01 17:38:09 <jmichaelx> damn, would someone stop in and grab me one? i'll pay postage + cost of one venti latte :-D
Sep 01 17:38:17 <dwc-> btw, when they say "touchpad charger"
Sep 01 17:38:23 <twbbas> It's prob regular charger
Sep 01 17:38:25 <dwc-> they mean an extra 2A wall charger + usb cable
Sep 01 17:38:28 <halfhalo> stupid store
Sep 01 17:38:30 <twbbas> yeah, I corrected it
Sep 01 17:38:31 * dwc- picked one up last week
Sep 01 17:38:40 <halfhalo> only let me buy one tp touchstone
Sep 01 17:38:52 * twbbas only needs 1 touchpad touchstone
Sep 01 17:38:55 <dwc-> wait, what?
Sep 01 17:39:03 <dwc-> I was in the store on monday before you were
Sep 01 17:39:15 <dwc-> and they said they were out of the TP accessories but the keyboards
Sep 01 17:39:21 <twbbas> the keyboard is nice
Sep 01 17:39:28 <twbbas> I use it for both my computer and my touchpad
Sep 01 17:39:38 <halfhalo> dwc- haha
Sep 01 17:41:30 <dwc-> I totally would have bought one for the $21 or whatever it was :/
Sep 01 17:43:28 <jmichaelx> touchstones $55.99 + free shipping on HP site
Sep 01 17:43:40 <halfhalo> yeah... had a coworker pick me up another when he got his stuck
Sep 01 17:44:28 <plov> did you guys end up buying screen opriotectors?
Sep 01 17:44:31 <plov> protectors*
Sep 01 17:44:45 <fxspec06> i'm not
Sep 01 17:44:49 <sugardave> I don't use those
Sep 01 17:44:55 <sugardave> it feels better without it
Sep 01 17:45:06 <twbbas> I don't need one with my official case
Sep 01 17:45:09 <fxspec06> i got a case, but i really don't see the point. i went through that phase a long time ago and they're a waste of money
Sep 01 17:45:30 <twbbas> The only time I need to protect the screen is when it's in my backpack and the official case works fine
Sep 01 17:45:30 <sugardave> my case is starting to get stretched around the power button, though :/
Sep 01 17:45:32 <plov> well
Sep 01 17:45:40 <jmichaelx> fxspec06: which is a waste of money?
Sep 01 17:45:40 <twbbas> sugardave: Mine did that a while ago :(
Sep 01 17:45:44 <twbbas> Same with the usb part
Sep 01 17:45:47 <halfhalo> sugardave same with both of mine
Sep 01 17:45:47 <plov> considering i'll be using my tablet while in the bathroom
Sep 01 17:45:50 <fxspec06> the screen protector
Sep 01 17:45:52 <plov> feels more sanitary
Sep 01 17:45:53 <fxspec06> it's gorilla glass
Sep 01 17:46:13 <twbbas> I heard taking the TP out and massaging the case brings it back to form but it didn't work for me
Sep 01 17:46:20 <twbbas> Maybe I'm just not a good massager
Sep 01 17:46:26 <plov> no but seriously gorilla glass isn't scratch proof
Sep 01 17:46:29 <fxspec06> if it gets a scratch, so what. it's mine. adds character
Sep 01 17:46:33 <sugardave> twbbas: hmmm, I will try that
Sep 01 17:46:54 * halfhalo had ordered one of the roocases for his
Sep 01 17:46:57 <fxspec06> if after five years of owning it it's still in perfect condition, you never used it
Sep 01 17:46:58 <twbbas> sugardave: Is the little sliver above the usb port way stretched out? Mine is
Sep 01 17:47:21 <sugardave> I haven't noticed it....mine is plugged in about 95% of the time, though
Sep 01 17:47:40 <twbbas> Mine's never plugged in
Sep 01 17:47:46 <twbbas> maybe once a week
Sep 01 17:47:59 <fxspec06> mine's usually plugged in a lot. str8 to the computer
Sep 01 17:49:27 <plov> did they stop producing touchstones?
Sep 01 17:49:47 <fxspec06> i hope not. most wanted accesory.
Sep 01 17:50:11 <plov> i think they have
Sep 01 17:50:22 <fxspec06> i called my local staples though and the guy, (who admittedly sounded like he didn't know anything), said they weren't going to be getting any more
Sep 01 17:50:26 <plov> seems it's sold out or being hiked up in price
Sep 01 17:51:15 <CTLAdvance> ugh plov... you touch your pad in the bathroom?
Sep 01 17:51:29 <plov> who doesnt?
Sep 01 17:51:31 <CTLAdvance> but dont we all....
Sep 01 17:51:33 <fxspec06> THAT'S unsanitary!
Sep 01 17:52:42 <plov> the touchstone is cool, but i dont really see the charging useful since a tp has really good battery life
Sep 01 17:53:06 <plov> seems like an over-priced cool stand to me heh
Sep 01 17:54:04 <SineOt> It's like it is on the phones. Even with an awesome battery life, the touchstone makes it simple to keep it topped off and ready to go at a moments notice
Sep 01 17:54:19 <CTLAdvance> if the touchstone was like 20 bucks, it would probably have done better
Sep 01 17:54:29 <rwatkins-mbp> its makes a great dashboard in exhibition mode.  and the intent was that the TP would also know which stand was wehre - so you could have a work one and a home one that did differentthings.
Sep 01 17:54:47 <fxspec06> it reduces the chance of a crack around usb port
Sep 01 17:54:52 <rwatkins-mbp> say, show agenda view at work, photos at home.
Sep 01 17:54:54 <CTLAdvance> at 80 the touchstone was the biggest joke I have ever seen, really is 80 dollars worth the one second it takes to plug it in
Sep 01 17:55:11 <CTLAdvance> and as for a stand, i have a paper stand at my desk that works well enough
Sep 01 17:55:16 <SineOt> yeah, but when the tablet is 499, 80 doesn't seem that bad
Sep 01 17:55:22 <SineOt> but now it's redonk
Sep 01 17:55:48 <rwatkins-mbp> and you can buy a paper notebook for 50 cents that works great too, but I prefer to use a computer for that.
Sep 01 17:55:56 <CTLAdvance> at 499 an ipad doesnt sound so bad either....
Sep 01 17:56:25 <fxspec06> at 499 i can think of 499 other things i can buy with my money
Sep 01 17:56:54 <CTLAdvance> if you are worried about a crack near the usb port you are doing something wrong, I am not saying the touchstone was bad...
Sep 01 17:57:05 <CTLAdvance> just that I think 80 dollars was to high
Sep 01 17:57:15 <CTLAdvance> even 40 I would think is better
Sep 01 17:57:22 <fxspec06> for $499, you could buy a 32g touchpad, touchstone, case, and $250 worth of apps
Sep 01 17:57:32 <CTLAdvance> today
Sep 01 17:57:33 <CTLAdvance> yes
Sep 01 17:57:38 <CTLAdvance> not when it launched
Sep 01 17:57:38 <cwayne> CTLAdvance: i'd say 40 would be about twice as good
Sep 01 17:57:41 <SineOt> I agree that it was too high though. I think HP priced it the way they did to try to get it to seem more "quality"
Sep 01 17:57:44 <plov> yea but after 10$ you'll be done with the 'worth it' apps lol
Sep 01 17:57:56 <fxspec06> that's not true either
Sep 01 17:58:08 <CTLAdvance> I agree
Sep 01 17:58:14 <CTLAdvance> Hp priced iitself out of the market
Sep 01 17:58:15 <fxspec06> i got at lest $60 of apps here. and they're all worth it
Sep 01 17:58:30 <SineOt> I know they went 499 originally to make it seem totally "quality" but really, really failed hard there
Sep 01 17:58:47 <plov> wtb a better browser
Sep 01 17:58:49 <SineOt> I was hoping that they'd have a 499 MSRP and do sales on it right off the bat for like 150+ off
Sep 01 17:59:41 <SineOt> THAT would have been a good move because you'd have it getting big billing in circulars with a massive "Save 200$!" flying around it... And if the firesale has shown anything, it's that you make the savings big enough people will buy one just to buy one
Sep 01 17:59:41 <plov> well, at 400 it wouldve still struggled to make an impact
Sep 01 17:59:56 <CTLAdvance> I think 300 would have been a sweet spot
Sep 01 18:00:00 <CTLAdvance> to start
Sep 01 18:00:20 <SineOt> yeah, if they had done even a 499 MSRP and then basically mandated a 200$ sale all the time? that'd be killer
Sep 01 18:00:30 <plov> yea, something to sell out , take minimum profit short term, capitalize on popularity long term
Sep 01 18:00:32 <destinal> CTLAdvance: touchpad cost like $300 to make though
Sep 01 18:00:49 <destinal> not counting R&D etc
Sep 01 18:00:50 <plov> nah less than 300
Sep 01 18:00:51 <CTLAdvance> well touchpad cost around 200 based on advertised prices
Sep 01 18:01:08 <CTLAdvance> HP probably was able to build them closer to 100 to 150
Sep 01 18:02:10 <CTLAdvance> I think based on advertised prices ifixit put them around 200 - 220?
Sep 01 18:02:15 <CTLAdvance> I dont have the link
Sep 01 18:02:29 <plov> anyway, i think the way theyre trying to profit on app sales is dumb
Sep 01 18:02:38 <SineOt> iSuppli put it at about 298-304 for the 16GB
Sep 01 18:03:44 <twbbas> $320 for 32GB I read
Sep 01 18:04:10 <twbbas> and all that's just for the parts... not labor, right?
Sep 01 18:04:16 <CTLAdvance> yes
Sep 01 18:04:28 <plov> hp is one of the largest pc manufacturers, i doubt they're paying full price for parts...
Sep 01 18:04:38 <CTLAdvance> nope
Sep 01 18:04:48 <smash> I fixed my issue with the music player not seeing my music. I opened internalz, then the info for my music folder. then changed the folder to read only. then back to normal. odd, but it worked. maybe file permissions were messed? my system runs linux.
Sep 01 18:05:06 <halfhalo> note to self: veer == great device for playing monopoly on in class
Sep 01 18:05:06 <smash> my pc I mean.
Sep 01 18:05:24 <smash> :p or doom..
Sep 01 18:05:39 <pcworld> smash: fileindexer sees changes in the filesystem and indexes the folder
Sep 01 18:06:24 <pcworld> smash: hiding, renaming or moving a folder works often too (on webOS 2.1)
Sep 01 18:06:50 <smash> yes. I know. thank you. I had tried re-scanning with preware. and those things. :p
Sep 01 18:07:16 <smash> maybe it was the hiding and unhiding. I did that too.
Sep 01 18:07:54 <pcworld> and sometimes a reboot is needed too
Sep 01 18:08:14 <smash> I found out its a good idea to flash my preplus to 1.4 before 2.1 is a good idea too.
Sep 01 18:09:59 <smash> yes. a reboot usually fixes that. but not this time. I tried everything that I could think of and then some. :p I now know what to do next time! heh
Sep 01 18:11:54 <smash> webos would be kind-of lame without the webos internals and other community development.. imho
Sep 01 18:12:33 <pcworld> sure
Sep 01 18:12:41 <smash> I think hp should just make webos free. android style.
Sep 01 18:13:00 <fxspec06> android is free?
Sep 01 18:13:08 <fxspec06> why dou you think hp should make webos "free"
Sep 01 18:13:21 <CTLAdvance> lol HTC doesnt think Android is free.
Sep 01 18:13:23 <smash> so development can flurish.
Sep 01 18:13:36 <rwatkins-mbp> free is magic pixie dust that just 'makes it better'
Sep 01 18:13:37 <SineOt> ASOP is "free"
Sep 01 18:13:42 <fxspec06> what is your definition of "free"?
Sep 01 18:13:45 <SineOt> Android isn't
Sep 01 18:14:08 <smash> flourish. yeah you are right. they claim it is open tho..
Sep 01 18:14:21 <pcworld> they should be definitely make Enyo opensource imo
Sep 01 18:14:39 <fxspec06> making enyo open source is entirely different than making webos open source
Sep 01 18:14:43 <rwatkins-mbp> enyos source is readable.  its just not redistributable.
Sep 01 18:14:55 <fxspec06> smash: anyone can develop for webos
Sep 01 18:15:34 <pcworld> nobody was talking about making webOS opensource ;)
Sep 01 18:15:49 <smash> I am aware.. okay. I have no merit for my previous statement. :p
Sep 01 18:16:05 <pcworld> rwatkins-mbp: and that's the problem
Sep 01 18:16:35 <CTLAdvance> does webkit have a zoom css style
Sep 01 18:16:51 <fxspec06> nope
Sep 01 18:16:57 <rwatkins-mbp> pcworld: i see no problem with that.  id' rather the webOS team focus on making it work well on the webOS version of webkit, not deal with random other browser bugs in it.
Sep 01 18:16:58 <smash> pcworld.. I agree. I don't like closed systems in any context.
Sep 01 18:17:13 <fxspec06> you can do stretch x and stretch y
Sep 01 18:17:47 <fxspec06> those arent the commands but it's possible i just cant think right now.
Sep 01 18:18:04 <rwatkins-mbp> their hands are clearly full already with existing work - having to then support other browsers is a burden they dont need.
Sep 01 18:18:19 <smash> yeah.. don't 'they' say webos is scalable?
Sep 01 18:18:57 <pcworld> lol they did on Feb9, but never again
Sep 01 18:19:31 <rwatkins-mbp> its pretty scaleable.  cf. screenshots of may app running on both a TP and a Pre3.
Sep 01 18:19:33 <fxspec06> it is
Sep 01 18:19:35 <rwatkins-mbp> same code.
Sep 01 18:19:46 <rwatkins-mbp> http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/screenshots.html
Sep 01 18:19:54 <CTLAdvance> actually
Sep 01 18:19:56 <EricBlade> i imagine the os itself is just as usefula s any other linux.  however, the browser, and enyo are pretty goddamn demanding
Sep 01 18:20:10 <smash> well.. they were going to put out a 7inch tablet, yeah? I doubt they were going to fragment webos to another version for that device alone..
Sep 01 18:20:24 <rwatkins-mbp> the 7inch was the same resolution as the TP
Sep 01 18:20:28 <rwatkins-mbp> 1024x768
Sep 01 18:20:38 <smash> damn! I want it.
Sep 01 18:20:47 <SineOt> ;_;
Sep 01 18:20:53 <SineOt> that just makes me want a Touchpad Go all the more
Sep 01 18:21:05 <SineOt> that rumor that they have a bunch of parts ready to build just makes it all the worse
Sep 01 18:21:45 <rwatkins-mbp> take the guts out of your TP and hook them to a 7" display.
Sep 01 18:22:12 <smash> me too. *sigh*.. if webos was open it would maybe be less of a pipe dream to port it to an available 7inch device? eh?
Sep 01 18:23:03 <SineOt> This IdeaPad A1 is pretty killer looking. :x
Sep 01 18:23:45 <smash> I'm not jumping the webos ship till my pre dies. then if I can't get a pre 3 replacement. not worth it for a pre 2..
Sep 01 18:24:01 <smash> sineot, lenovo?
Sep 01 18:24:19 <SineOt> smash: yeah. 7", 8GB for 199
Sep 01 18:24:42 <CTLAdvance> Thems nook color prices
Sep 01 18:25:01 <smash> yeah. I've been drooling over that.. lol
Sep 01 18:25:01 <Lumiere> I think the interesting thing is
Sep 01 18:25:13 <Lumiere> I think eReaders will outlast tablets
Sep 01 18:25:32 <Tommy> SineOt: http://phandroid.com/2011/09/01/toshibas-at200-tablet-announced-10-1-inch-display-only-7-7mm-thick/
Sep 01 18:26:15 <smash> I think hardware is becoming consolidated and eventually you will choose an os just like you do on a pc..
Sep 01 18:26:50 <Tommy> SineOt: dude, the lenovo has android 2.3, single core processor, who the hell cares
Sep 01 18:27:02 <Tommy> you can get a galaxy tab (the original) for cheap if you really want a crappy 7 inch tablet
Sep 01 18:27:06 <CTLAdvance> alot more than you think
Sep 01 18:27:20 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: yeah because they're dumb, look at the pricy of galaxy tabs
Sep 01 18:28:40 <Optimo> who announces a 7mm thin tablet and doesn't show a side-view
Sep 01 18:28:47 <Tommy> you can spend $99 more than that lenovo and get an acer iconia, 10.1" honeycomb tablet with a dual core processor
Sep 01 18:28:50 <SineOt> Or... I could get an IdeaPad A1, new, for the price of a used Galaxy Tab? I'm not sure that's a very good argument
Sep 01 18:29:15 <Tommy> SineOt: oh, i was talking about a new galaxy tab.
Sep 01 18:29:56 <SineOt> Tommy: I very much so doubt that the Tab 7.7 would come close to 199 in terms of price point
Sep 01 18:30:05 <Tommy> 7.7?
Sep 01 18:30:16 <Tommy> SineOt: that's not even in the same ballpark in specs, it has a super amoled plus screen for christ's sake
Sep 01 18:30:36 <Tommy> and it has android 3.2, not 2.3, quite the different experience
Sep 01 18:30:56 <SineOt> and quite the different price
Sep 01 18:30:57 <Tommy> anyone who buys a tablet with a phone OS is dumb :|
Sep 01 18:31:21 <Tommy> SineOt: $99 more, acer iconia, android 3.x, dual core tegra 2
Sep 01 18:31:25 <directhex> hm. when you quit a contract early in the UK, you just pay the remaining months, right? 'cos that means you can get a pre3 for £252
Sep 01 18:33:31 <SineOt> can it browse the internet for cheap; if yes, go hog wild
Sep 01 18:33:34 <Tommy> the pre 3 doesn't have 1700mhz UMTS does it?
Sep 01 18:33:49 <dwc-> it does not
Sep 01 18:33:56 <Tommy> SineOt: lmao, then go grab a chinese tablet for $99
Sep 01 18:34:18 <SineOt> and get something even worse than the A1?
Sep 01 18:34:30 <dwc-> 11:21 < smash> I think hardware is becoming consolidated and eventually you will choose an os just like you do on a pc..
Sep 01 18:34:32 <Tommy> well, you just said, internet + cheap = go hog wild
Sep 01 18:34:39 <dwc-> ... you mean how you just pick to run os x on a dell? ;)
Sep 01 18:34:52 <dwc-> you still need hardware and driver support
Sep 01 18:34:59 <Tommy> dwc-: with android tablets, absolutely, look around, there isn't one (except the shitty ones running a phone OS) that don't have a tegra 2
Sep 01 18:35:11 <Tommy> every single honeycomb tablet on the market has a tegra 2 chipset, how am i supposed to be impressed
Sep 01 18:35:18 <smash> tommy, a 'phone os' is just your view. I haven't had cell service on my pre plus for more than a year. and I use it everyday. and it boots ubuntu.. so 'phone os' is bs. imho
Sep 01 18:35:35 <Tommy> smash: when google says android 2.x is for phones, 3.x is for tablets at this point, it's not my opinion
Sep 01 18:35:58 <Tommy> 2.x was made for phones, and they specifically told manufacturers to not make tablets with it because it's trash... i use gingerbread daily, kthx, i know it'd suck on a tablet
Sep 01 18:36:42 <dwc-> Tommy: not sure why that was directed to me
Sep 01 18:37:14 <Tommy> lol me neither
Sep 01 18:37:27 <Tommy> should've been directed at smash
Sep 01 18:37:50 <halfhalo> shouldacouldawoulda
Sep 01 18:38:28 <smash> I understand what you mean. I thought you ment mobile oses at all on a tablet was dumb.
Sep 01 18:39:08 <smash> I was thinking 'he wants desktop windows on a tab? wtf?'
Sep 01 18:39:08 <Tommy> hell no, leave desktop OSes to desktops
Sep 01 18:39:15 <Tommy> hahah i've seen it, and meh.
Sep 01 18:39:34 <smash> agreed. the umpcs lol.
Sep 01 18:39:41 <Tommy> i just mean, when google specifically says "this OS is not made for a tablet, we know it won't work well on one, wait it out"... then companies release tablets with that OS... it fails.
Sep 01 18:39:58 <Tommy> that's why the galaxy tab sold like fire in hell
Sep 01 18:40:29 <Tommy> once honeycomb came out, android grabbed 20% marketshare in tablets
Sep 01 18:41:02 <smash> giant phone Os. yeah.. bad idea. but manufacturers need that cash.. and people know android. so it sells. sad.
Sep 01 18:41:37 <Tommy> it doesn't sell though, lol
Sep 01 18:41:48 <Tommy> find me one tablet that's sold well with android on it, that didn't have honeycomb
Sep 01 18:41:55 <Tommy> the dell streak? galaxy tab? lololol right.
Sep 01 18:42:01 <smash> 'oh android. I've heard of that. google makes it. so its good. I'll take it!'
Sep 01 18:42:03 <CTLAdvance> the galaxy tab did
Sep 01 18:42:08 <Tommy> it sold well?
Sep 01 18:42:09 <CTLAdvance> not blockbuster but it sold
Sep 01 18:42:21 <CTLAdvance> yes, I dont see honeycomb selling much better
Sep 01 18:42:38 <smash> yeah. I looked at it in officemax. eh..
Sep 01 18:42:38 <CTLAdvance> its selling, but no android tab has been blockbuster
Sep 01 18:42:56 <smash> the original galaxy I mean.
Sep 01 18:44:00 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: well, last i checked the galaxy tab was a giant flop for samsung
Sep 01 18:44:06 <Tommy> but i guess you know their sales figures better than they do
Sep 01 18:44:17 <smash> that's because its all the same basically. slight hardware variations. same story with hardware. hail the homogeny
Sep 01 18:44:32 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I think at its first price it was
Sep 01 18:44:39 <Tommy> lol...
Sep 01 18:44:47 <smash> *same story with software.. :p
Sep 01 18:44:47 <Tommy> so you're gonna say the TouchPad was a great success too right?
Sep 01 18:44:51 <Tommy> OMG THEY COULDN'T KEEP THEM IN STOCK
Sep 01 18:45:37 <PsWii60> :x
Sep 01 18:45:42 <smash> it would have been. THEY RAN OUT! has that happened  to any android device?
Sep 01 18:45:49 <Tommy> yes?
Sep 01 18:45:55 <Tommy> Evo 3G sold like hotcakes when it released
Sep 01 18:46:05 <Tommy> Sprint set all sorts of sales records for their company with it, couldn't keep it in stock for weeks iirc
Sep 01 18:46:06 <cwayne> they never ran out of them
Sep 01 18:46:08 <smash> I don't know. lol
Sep 01 18:46:11 <Tommy> cwayne: orly?
Sep 01 18:46:18 <cwayne> Tommy:
Sep 01 18:46:27 <cwayne> they got hard to find
Sep 01 18:46:33 <cwayne> but not IMPOSSIBLE to find
Sep 01 18:46:35 <Tommy> okay...
Sep 01 18:46:40 <Tommy> and we're talking about a phone on sprint
Sep 01 18:46:44 <Tommy> that DIDN'T lose HTC $400M
Sep 01 18:46:54 <Tommy> in fact, HTC even _profited_ off of them, oh my god
Sep 01 18:46:54 <smash> options are good. homogeny
Sep 01 18:47:05 <cwayne> Tommy: because of carrier subsidies
Sep 01 18:47:15 <cwayne> apples and oranges
Sep 01 18:47:25 <Tommy> cwayne: oh i'm sorry, did i bring it up?
Sep 01 18:47:32 <Tommy> smash> it would have been. THEY RAN OUT! has that happened  to any android device?
Sep 01 18:47:54 <Tommy> the day the xoom goes up for sale for $99, you'll see them sell twice as fast as the touchpad, don't kid yourself
Sep 01 18:47:54 <cwayne> Tommy: has anyone ever told you you're impossible to debate with?
Sep 01 18:48:05 <Tommy> cwayne: they usually just say i should be a lawyer
Sep 01 18:48:20 <cwayne> Tommy: nah, you're no lawyer.  you're just a troll.
Sep 01 18:48:37 <Tommy> lol, k
Sep 01 18:49:01 <Tommy> someone asks me "has any android device sold out", i point out one that was hard to find, and you say "apples to oranges" to me.
Sep 01 18:49:11 <Tommy> the difference is, HTC didn't stop producing the evo 4g
Sep 01 18:49:32 <smash> yeah. false sense of options. lol you get android or ios. now act like there is competition.
Sep 01 18:49:40 <Tommy> because they hadn't determined it was such a giant failure they have to quit making it
Sep 01 18:49:46 <Tommy> smash: or wp7 :\
Sep 01 18:50:17 <Tommy> smash: let's be honest though, i never had options to start with, i'm a t-mobile customer... webOS never graced my carrier, hence why i asked if the pre 3 had UMTS 1700mhz
Sep 01 18:50:19 <smash> yeah.. osx linux windows.
Sep 01 18:50:29 <Tommy> or bada
Sep 01 18:50:46 <smash> beos?
Sep 01 18:51:09 <Tommy> http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-wave-3-smartphone-ushers-in-bada-2-0-trio-at-ifa-2011-01175771/
Sep 01 18:51:45 <dwc-> those are all options
Sep 01 18:51:53 * dwc- has webos devices and t-mobile
Sep 01 18:52:03 <Tommy> dwc-: i can't deal with EDGE, sorry
Sep 01 18:52:22 <dwc-> well, then it's that you don't like your options
Sep 01 18:52:41 <Tommy> dwc-: so you consider unlocking a phone and using it at 150kbps a legitimate option to use that OS?
Sep 01 18:52:49 <dwc-> yes
Sep 01 18:52:50 <Tommy> if that's the case, conversation over.
Sep 01 18:52:53 <Tommy> okay. over.
Sep 01 18:53:06 <dwc-> it's also an option to unlock the phone, and get your data plan from somewhere else and use it over wifi
Sep 01 18:53:28 <dwc-> nice to see you're so open-minded
Sep 01 18:53:30 <Tommy> great idea, lemme bring 2 phones everywhere
Sep 01 18:53:44 <Tommy> i don't like my email being synced to my smartphone wherever i go, i'll just use it over wifi
Sep 01 18:53:56 <dwc-> who said anything about the second device being a phone?
Sep 01 18:54:09 <Tommy> lol, so a TABLET and a phone everywhere i go
Sep 01 18:54:16 <dwc-> who said anything about the second device being a tablet?
Sep 01 18:54:24 <smash> cool. maybe a sign of the future? competition is good for business. it sparks innovation. lack of inspires lazy producers. people just accept the same crap when there is no innovation. see us government/population. :p
Sep 01 18:54:40 <Tommy> smash: see DOJ shooting down t-mo acquisition
Sep 01 18:55:12 <dwc-> mifi's are pretty small, and you certainly wouldn't be the only person who carried one around
Sep 01 18:55:37 <Tommy> lol
Sep 01 18:55:44 <dwc-> but since you've already decided that all these "options" aren't even options
Sep 01 18:55:53 <dwc-> then yes, you "have no options"
Sep 01 18:55:59 <Tommy> okay, so mifi with what carrier, dwc-
Sep 01 18:56:06 <Tommy> let's figure out some prices, since it's such a viable option
Sep 01 18:56:07 <cwayne> Tommy: any of them
Sep 01 18:56:16 <dwc-> my friend has his on clear
Sep 01 18:56:21 <Tommy> cwayne: i'm asking for his input, so i can show him why this would be the dumbest idea ever
Sep 01 18:56:28 <Tommy> dwc-: okay for starters, i'm off at school in binghamton, clear isn't here.
Sep 01 18:56:32 <dwc-> it also replaced his verizon dsl
Sep 01 18:56:50 <Tommy> i looked into clear/sprint 4G mifi, there's no wimax in binghamton at my new apt
Sep 01 18:57:11 <dwc-> do they have 3g?
Sep 01 18:57:13 <dwc-> I believe so
Sep 01 18:57:25 <smash> I was using mifi from pre plus with a laptop... a-okay. people are spoiled. lol
Sep 01 18:57:43 <Tommy> dwc-: clear doesn't use 3G, it's 4G-only
Sep 01 18:57:49 <dwc-> wrong.
Sep 01 18:57:53 <Tommy> and sprint's 3G/4G mifi has 3GB of 3G on their plan
Sep 01 18:58:04 <Tommy> there's no such thing as unlimited 3G, only unlimited 4G
Sep 01 18:58:14 <Tommy> ah what the hell, we'll go with those prices
Sep 01 18:58:26 <dwc-> so?
Sep 01 18:58:31 <dwc-> it's an *option*
Sep 01 18:58:44 <Tommy> lol
Sep 01 18:58:46 <smash> eh. I had unlimited 3G.. but that was pre-bandwidth cap.
Sep 01 18:58:56 <dwc-> it's not like you get unlimited 3g or 4g on at&t either
Sep 01 18:59:02 <Tommy> so, $280 for the mifi
Sep 01 18:59:07 <dwc-> or unlimited 3g/4g on tmobile
Sep 01 18:59:09 <plov> unlimited 4g verizonnnnnn
Sep 01 18:59:27 <smash> that's where I was. 3G tho.
Sep 01 18:59:28 <Tommy> then $45/mo for 3GB of 3G.
Sep 01 18:59:40 <Tommy> plus the cost of the phone plan, plus the cost of the phone
Sep 01 18:59:54 <Tommy> great option, you're much more of a troll than i am
Sep 01 19:00:39 <Tommy> plov: i pay $60/mo for unlimited errything except data, which is technically unlimited but only HSPA+ until 2GB
Sep 01 19:01:15 <cwayne> Tommy: he didn't go in a channel about webos and start talking about android
Sep 01 19:01:20 * halfhalo pays something like 80 a month for the a and t and t's and is happy with it
Sep 01 19:01:25 <Tommy> cwayne: i'm not talking about android, am i?
Sep 01 19:01:32 <smash> premium prices for premium service. people are soooo spoiled. if you can't get blazing fast data everywhere you can take life anymore? lmao. go for a walk without looking at a screen once in a while.
Sep 01 19:01:42 <Tommy> the whole reason this conversation was brought up is because i was talking about not being able to have webOS on t-mobile
Sep 01 19:02:03 <Tommy> dwc-: another great thing about your option is that, if you wanted your email to sync and google voice messages to come through etcetc, you need your phone on, all day, with wifi turned on.
Sep 01 19:02:06 <Tommy> good. luck.
Sep 01 19:02:14 <CTLAdvance> so I had a hunch but it wasnt confirmed until it was admitted by the source, tommy is one of those college student folks who knows everything....
Sep 01 19:02:23 <CTLAdvance> and binghamton makes me completely understand
Sep 01 19:02:29 <CTLAdvance> fandroid
Sep 01 19:02:34 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: lol, binghamton?
Sep 01 19:02:38 * Tommy scratches head
Sep 01 19:02:46 <Tommy> what about binghamton makes you understand me? i'm not from here
Sep 01 19:02:54 <smash> British!
Sep 01 19:02:59 <Tommy> LMFAO
Sep 01 19:03:00 <smash> ah! noooo!,
Sep 01 19:03:03 <Tommy> binghamton, new york you fuck
Sep 01 19:03:09 <Tommy> www.binghamton.edu
Sep 01 19:03:16 <smash> well. you act brittish.
Sep 01 19:03:19 <CTLAdvance> yep exactly
Sep 01 19:03:20 <Tommy> hahahahahahaha
Sep 01 19:03:25 <CTLAdvance> well not british
Sep 01 19:03:25 <sbromwich> british, old chap
Sep 01 19:03:29 <CTLAdvance> british arent fandroids
Sep 01 19:03:30 <smash> burn! lol
Sep 01 19:03:35 <CTLAdvance> or dont act like them
Sep 01 19:03:37 <cwayne> no, he just acts like a fucking asshat
Sep 01 19:03:42 <Tommy> .........
Sep 01 19:03:45 <halfhalo> yup
Sep 01 19:03:53 <Tommy> i'm a fandroid, even though i'm telling you i'm disappointed i can't get 3G with webOS on t-mobile
Sep 01 19:03:56 <Tommy> fucking dolt
Sep 01 19:03:59 <smash> okay. yes. asshat.
Sep 01 19:04:15 <CTLAdvance> mm, chipper day to be an asshat, i might say
Sep 01 19:04:16 <Tommy> release a pre3 with 1700/2100mhz UMTS tomorrow, you'll see me in the store buying it
Sep 01 19:04:28 <smash> your being a jerk about it tommy old boy.
Sep 01 19:04:35 <cwayne> mmm yes quite
Sep 01 19:04:36 <CTLAdvance> old boy or old girl
Sep 01 19:04:40 <Tommy> smash: lol, this guy's such a moron
Sep 01 19:04:41 <sbromwich> old thing
Sep 01 19:05:05 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: where are you from, fella?
Sep 01 19:05:53 <dwc-> lol... they're not even releasing a pre3 with 850/1900/2100
Sep 01 19:06:00 <halfhalo> sugardave: you know what I noticed about the thinkgeek messenger bag? I can fit like 18 tablets in it and still have room for more.  its_amazing_
Sep 01 19:06:02 <smash> who's what? 's make things possessive. this guy's what?
Sep 01 19:06:03 <dwc-> certainly not going to be one with 1700
Sep 01 19:06:14 <Tommy> dwc-: yeah but who cares about that, AT&T is a jooooke
Sep 01 19:06:38 <dwc-> ' also make things contractions, like "you're" instead of "your"
Sep 01 19:06:41 <dwc-> :p
Sep 01 19:07:22 <Tommy> lol
Sep 01 19:07:33 <Tommy> CTLAdvance: where in new york are you from, fella?
Sep 01 19:07:35 <sugardave> halfhalo: it is the ultimate TouchPad looter's bag for sure
Sep 01 19:07:52 <dwc-> sugardave / halfhalo: thinkgeek bag of holding?
Sep 01 19:08:00 <halfhalo> yes
Sep 01 19:08:29 <Tommy> aww, he's upset... i'll let him be.
Sep 01 19:08:46 <Tommy> ttfn, bbl, lol, omg, bbq
Sep 01 19:08:53 <smash> agreed. regardless, I have no respect for people that can't back up their opinions with evidence or example so they use insults. good luck being a lawyer like that tommy.
Sep 01 19:10:16 <CTLAdvance> albany
Sep 01 19:10:40 <smash> no hard feelings. just saying..
Sep 01 19:11:50 * smash thinks tommy must have some deep seeded personal issues to be such a jerk over cellphones.
Sep 01 19:14:16 <smash> anyway. later kids! I just wanted to report my problem is not a problem anymore.
Sep 01 19:22:27 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: PIIIING!!!??
Sep 01 19:23:51 <dwc-> NuttyBunny: nice camera app... does kesne hate you now?
Sep 01 19:26:05 <NuttyBunny> dwc-, sort of  :)
Sep 01 19:27:32 <dwc-> (I downloaded it this morning, haven't tried it yet)
Sep 01 19:32:56 <kesne> I
Sep 01 19:32:57 <kesne> Am here
Sep 01 19:52:39 <leiru> that touchstone dock is awesome
Sep 01 19:52:53 <dwc-> it's amazingly simple but somehow seems much more elegant than the phone touchstone
Sep 01 20:01:06 <hotdp> is there any "cheap" HP Touchstone Charging Dock for TouchPad in EU?
Sep 01 20:01:45 <leiru> hotdp: did not find any :/
Sep 01 20:02:06 <hotdp> :(
Sep 01 20:02:19 <hotdp> what did you do?
Sep 01 20:02:45 <leiru> hotdp: i think there was, but hp store germany is totally out of stock
Sep 01 20:02:56 <leiru> hotdp: i ordered for the full price.
Sep 01 20:03:08 <hotdp> germany or uk?
Sep 01 20:03:13 <leiru> germany
Sep 01 20:03:16 <hotdp> oki
Sep 01 20:05:30 <leiru> with bad grace
Sep 01 20:06:11 <leiru> or better: reluctantly
Sep 01 20:06:32 <leiru> some german idioms are hard to translate
Sep 01 20:13:28 <CTLAdvance> wow
Sep 01 20:13:38 <CTLAdvance> HTC is launching a 4.7" wondows mango phone
Sep 01 20:15:36 <Loudergood> you mean a small tablet for making calls
Sep 01 20:18:51 <twbbas> CTLAdvance: Actually, that phone is the size of an Evo
Sep 01 20:18:59 <twbbas> it has a small footprint for the screen size
Sep 01 20:19:04 <CTLAdvance> which evo
Sep 01 20:19:10 <CTLAdvance> I dont remember a 4.7" evo
Sep 01 20:19:17 <CTLAdvance> evo 1 was 4.3
Sep 01 20:19:27 <twbbas> Evo 3D
Sep 01 20:19:34 <twbbas> I'm talking the footprint of the phone
Sep 01 20:19:36 <twbbas> not the screen size
Sep 01 20:19:48 <twbbas> The 4.7" HTC Mango phone is 130mm tall
Sep 01 20:20:18 <CTLAdvance> ah
Sep 01 20:20:20 <CTLAdvance> ok
Sep 01 20:20:29 <CTLAdvance> yeah that might make sense
Sep 01 20:20:41 <CTLAdvance> Is the 3d the same size screen?
Sep 01 20:20:43 <twbbas> the top bezel on it is super slim
Sep 01 20:20:50 <twbbas> the 3D is 4.3" screen IIRC
Sep 01 20:20:53 <CTLAdvance> i dont think it is
Sep 01 20:21:00 <CTLAdvance> ok thats what i thought
Sep 01 20:21:22 <twbbas> the 3D is 127mm tall
Sep 01 20:22:17 <PsWii60> <Loudergood> you mean a small tablet for making calls
Sep 01 20:22:23 <twbbas> The Galaxy S II for Sprint is 129.9mm tall
Sep 01 20:22:24 <twbbas> 4.5" screen
Sep 01 20:22:32 <PsWii60> no, that's this one you're referring to -> http://pocketnow.com/android/samsungs-galaxy-s-wifi-36-is-an-android-smartphone-sans-phone
Sep 01 20:22:42 <twbbas> ^ now THAT'S a tablet for making calls
Sep 01 20:22:56 <Loudergood> that's just ANOTHER one
Sep 01 20:23:02 <PsWii60> lol
Sep 01 20:23:05 <hemna> hehe
Sep 01 20:23:08 <PsWii60> first 5" smartphone I've seen
Sep 01 20:24:47 <CTLAdvance> this wopuld have been a great webos phone
Sep 01 20:24:53 <CTLAdvance> the pre3 should have been this :)
Sep 01 20:25:13 <twbbas_> I'm upgrading to the Sprint SGII when it comes out
Sep 01 20:25:26 <twbbas_> I was gonna get the next webOS phone but... it'll be like at least a year until we see another one
Sep 01 20:25:40 <twbbas_> I saw that PuffTheMagic is gonna try to port webOS to the Sprint SGII :D
Sep 01 20:25:45 <twbbas_> That would be epic
Sep 01 20:27:20 <PsWii60> why would you want webOS on an android phone
Sep 01 20:28:01 <CTLAdvance> why would you want android on any phone?
Sep 01 20:28:03 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Sep 01 20:28:09 <RobbieJ> apps :p
Sep 01 20:28:43 <twbbas_> ^ That's the only reason
Sep 01 20:28:49 <CTLAdvance> ick aside from the mainstream ones, most of the android apps are mediocre
Sep 01 20:28:53 <twbbas_> But, webOS on SGII hardware... epic
Sep 01 20:29:09 <twbbas_> it's what webOS has been needing for a long tie
Sep 01 20:29:12 <twbbas_> s/tie/time
Sep 01 20:30:36 <twbbas_> ok I'm off
Sep 01 20:32:11 <CTLAdvance> all of teh chipsets are somewhat similar
Sep 01 20:32:18 <CTLAdvance> we need a generic webos installer
Sep 01 20:33:26 <CTLAdvance> infact HP should do that, then they could charge 19.99 per os load
Sep 01 20:33:29 <CTLAdvance> :)
Sep 01 20:34:17 <CTLAdvance> Then again I bet we see windows 8 installed on everything when it gets launched
Sep 01 20:34:38 <CTLAdvance> by individuals i mean
Sep 01 20:35:18 <EricBlade> hmm. interesting. i was going to try the mobile-web ver of google plus, but it refuses to send it to my touchpad
Sep 01 20:38:40 <rwatkins-mbp> I've spent an entire day trying to figure out why my template in sencha touch does .. nothing.  ARGH
Sep 01 20:42:37 <EricBlade> i've spent all of two days aside from time sleeping and at my day job, trying to figure out why my app fails on device but not on chrome :(
Sep 01 20:43:27 <EricBlade> and since i've spent this long on it, it -must- be something incredibly simple that i don't currently have any understanding of, because that's just how it goes
Sep 01 20:44:46 <rwatkins-mbp> EricBlade: device or emulator?
Sep 01 20:45:03 <EricBlade> it doesn't work on device or in emulator
Sep 01 20:45:12 <rwatkins-mbp> try tossing in a bunch of this.log() 's and review http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/
Sep 01 20:46:06 <kesne> dawm__:
Sep 01 20:46:08 <kesne> PING
Sep 01 20:46:40 <EricBlade> i was trying to figure out last night if ares was useful for enyo, and it doesn't seem to be?  i've posted my problem, also with some bits of code here .. https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17935  .. what's happening, is that i'm getting entirely different results back from the google, when i run it on device vs in chrome
Sep 01 20:46:48 <rwatkins-mbp> I can even see the property change on the object, but its not rendering WTF?!
Sep 01 20:47:11 <rwatkins-mbp> you can use areslog and aresdebug, just not the ares ui builder
Sep 01 20:47:31 <rwatkins-mbp> log still shows logs from the emu/device, and debug allows you to inspect and debug.
Sep 01 20:48:44 <rwatkins-mbp> for one you cant set the user agent in an enyo request
Sep 01 20:50:09 <EricBlade> it didn't work before i did that either, was just something i was trying.
Sep 01 20:51:00 <EricBlade> ok, that ares log is seriously awesome.
Sep 01 20:51:38 <rwatkins-mbp> and also you cant make non-async xhr calles in webOS
Sep 01 20:51:53 <CTLAdvance> rwatkins, phonegap and sencha?
Sep 01 20:51:58 <rwatkins-mbp> CTLAdvance: ya
Sep 01 20:52:37 <CTLAdvance> nice
Sep 01 20:52:46 <rwatkins-mbp> literally been at this for hours.  MVC setup with controllers and views, trying to update a component and its template w/ data.
Sep 01 20:53:08 <CTLAdvance> I am using phonegap and making my own UI elements
Sep 01 20:53:13 <rwatkins-mbp> get data.  get componenet.  component has tenmplate.  update() changes property of component.
Sep 01 20:53:18 <rwatkins-mbp> component does not render new data.
Sep 01 20:53:26 <rwatkins-mbp> like .. WTF?!
Sep 01 20:54:18 <dawm__> kesne, ?
Sep 01 20:54:37 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: ping
Sep 01 20:55:24 <EricBlade> rwatkins-mbp async or non-async, it gives me the same result -- a different response than what i'm expecting.  which would indicate to me, that it's sending out something different
Sep 01 20:56:28 <rwatkins-mbp> EricBlade: so you get a response, you just get different content in the response from google if its from chrome vs from webOS?
Sep 01 20:57:25 <EricBlade> rwatkins-mbp: exactly.  All the ways I've tried, from Chrome, I get the expected { ok:true } response back from google.  when I do it from webos, it ships me a full html page
Sep 01 20:58:08 <rwatkins-mbp> use chrome inspector to gather the full heeaders and body of your request.  then dig into your app and get all of the same on the webOS side and compare.
Sep 01 20:58:46 <rwatkins-mbp> clearly whats ultimately sent in the api request differs - you need to get down to the raw headers and body and compare.
Sep 01 20:59:16 <EricBlade> exactly. that's what i'm trying to figure out how to achieve?
Sep 01 20:59:42 <EricBlade> i'm not asking anyone else to debug it for me, just for help in figuring out -how- to debug it :D
Sep 01 21:00:54 <rwatkins-mbp> I'd start by JSON.stringify'ing the xhr object and look thru it just before you make the request
Sep 01 21:01:25 <rwatkins-mbp> certainly abandon the enyo service kinds for the moment
Sep 01 21:01:53 <EricBlade> hmm. trying this Ares debugger thing, i hit Launch, and it tries to start the app, but it's just sitting at the glowy-icon-in-the-card-index
Sep 01 21:02:00 <rwatkins-mbp> and if thats not gonna get what you need, either run a packet sniffer on the host for the emulator ...
Sep 01 21:02:27 <rwatkins-mbp> I havent used the debugger much -- seems a little flakey,  but the log tool is nice.
Sep 01 21:02:42 <rwatkins-mbp> and failing packet sniffing, ping @unwiredben :)
Sep 01 21:03:18 <rwatkins-mbp> but he covers the forums pretty well
Sep 01 21:03:26 <EricBlade> " Not allowed to load local resource: file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js, :0"
Sep 01 21:06:44 <EricBlade> now i can't get the app to run on emulator at all without getting that error. argh.
Sep 01 21:08:14 <EricBlade> had to repackage it from command line
Sep 01 21:09:19 <rwatkins-mbp> looks like you have the wrong path to enyo
Sep 01 21:11:05 <EricBlade> looks like it's expecting me to copy enyo into the package
Sep 01 21:11:15 <rwatkins-mbp> no
Sep 01 21:11:38 <rwatkins-mbp> you need to leave enough of the enyo path alone so that the packager can recognize it and rewrite it
Sep 01 21:12:06 <EricBlade> ../../enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js
Sep 01 21:12:47 <rwatkins-mbp> I use ../enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js so yes
Sep 01 21:13:46 <EricBlade>  Not allowed to load local resource: file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js, :0
Sep 01 21:14:02 <EricBlade> this is from Ares btw if i package it outside of Ares itw orks fine
Sep 01 21:14:26 <rwatkins-mbp> leave Ares the F alone.  it doesnt support Enyo at all.
Sep 01 21:14:37 <rwatkins-mbp> at all.
Sep 01 21:14:53 <EricBlade> thought you said the debugger worked :D
Sep 01 21:15:10 <rwatkins-mbp> the logger and debugger are generic device tools
Sep 01 21:15:31 <rwatkins-mbp> Ares gui / app builder was written to mojo, not enyo.
Sep 01 21:15:47 <rwatkins-mbp> and likely uses pre-3.0 enyo tools to build
Sep 01 21:16:31 <rwatkins-mbp> use the tried and true path, dont experiment with other stuff that "might" work until you've got a solid process. :)
Sep 01 21:16:48 <rwatkins-mbp> so .. command line build, not Ares.  Chrome, not Opera.  etc etc.
Sep 01 21:17:21 <EricBlade> if i tell it to go straight to /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js it loads, but then it dies on something in depends, which i don't even see in my app view there.  OK, so, Ares debugger not an easy option
Sep 01 21:19:42 <NuttyBunny> haeffb, ping again?
Sep 01 21:19:54 <haeffb> You nutty, nuttybunny
Sep 01 21:19:55 <EricBlade> ok, so i've added one tool to my work, the ares log thing, which is slightly nicer than palm-log
Sep 01 21:20:29 <haeffb> is it all good now? Or do we need to try to change the addressee?
Sep 01 21:31:48 <EricBlade> wth? i jsut randomly get "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL (index.html:1)" ?
Sep 01 21:36:17 <EricBlade> hmm. no clues in reading the source
Sep 01 21:44:09 <EricBlade> so, i've moved to the packet sniffer, but i'm not sure it's telling me anything useful considering things are encrypted
Sep 01 21:56:10 <EricBlade> GOD BLESS AMERICA
Sep 01 21:56:16 <EricBlade> er...
Sep 01 21:56:31 <EricBlade> that was a fill-in for the large qty of swear words i wanted to type
Sep 01 21:56:52 <EricBlade> if i make the request non-secure, it works
Sep 01 22:00:35 <EricBlade> er.. my bad, that was a one-time occurence. crap.
Sep 01 22:14:05 <rwhitby> morning
Sep 01 22:16:25 <siestacat> hello
Sep 01 22:42:00 <EricBlade> i've had enough. i give.
Sep 01 22:43:09 <EricBlade> is there some way to call the web browser to make this request for me then close it? haha
Sep 01 23:07:58 <EricBlade> oh yay for the first time, today, my touchpad's clock is right
Sep 01 23:09:09 <haeffb> twice a day?
Sep 01 23:09:54 <EricBlade> no, that would be a stopped clock. it was running fine, but it was enver right
Sep 01 23:12:35 * haeffb will give a free copy of pondNotes to anyone who cares to beta test...
Sep 01 23:12:51 <haeffb> special limited-time offer
Sep 01 23:17:45 <rwhitby> haeffb: I won't say no to a promo code ;)
Sep 01 23:17:59 <rwhitby> I can test it on a Pre 3 for you
Sep 01 23:18:53 <rwatkins-mbp> rwhitby: run any enyo apps on that pre3 yet?
Sep 01 23:19:17 <EricBlade> i would love to, what is it?
Sep 01 23:19:52 <haeffb> rwhitby: http://smallpondapps.com/wp-content/uploads/ipk/
Sep 01 23:20:00 <haeffb> or do you need an actual promo code?
Sep 01 23:20:30 <haeffb> heh. it's not in the catalog in AU yet. :)
Sep 01 23:20:38 <rwatkins-mbp> ha
Sep 01 23:21:20 <kesne> yo
Sep 01 23:21:36 <kesne> How can I render a javascript Image() into an Enyo kind?
Sep 01 23:22:45 <rwhitby> haeffb: US promo code
Sep 01 23:24:28 <haeffb> rwhitby-pre: pm
Sep 01 23:25:30 <EricBlade> oh, beautiful.
Sep 01 23:25:37 <EricBlade> every time i connect to my PC i get "Device not recognized"
Sep 01 23:26:29 <EricBlade> windows help: "reconnect device. If this error still occurs, replace the device."  helpful, Microsoft.
Sep 01 23:27:57 <kesne> Nobody knows?
Sep 01 23:29:29 <rwatkins-mbp> kesne: not clear what you asking
Sep 01 23:29:30 <Deihmos> When I tether to the tp wirc  is unable to connect. Gives an sasl error
Sep 01 23:29:58 <rwatkins-mbp> you've already fetched an image, and .. want to use enyo to display it?
Sep 01 23:30:01 <kesne> rwatkins-mbp: I'm creating an image in Javscript using "new Image();"
Sep 01 23:30:12 <kesne> I want to dump it into an enyo component somehow
Sep 01 23:30:25 <rwatkins-mbp> image has no src?
Sep 01 23:30:36 <kesne> Image has a src.
Sep 01 23:30:50 <kesne> But there's some manipulation happening
Sep 01 23:31:26 <rwatkins-mbp> enyo Image kind only takes a src property
Sep 01 23:31:50 <kesne> Well, can I create a dom node somehow?
Sep 01 23:33:39 <rwatkins-mbp> any of the controls are a bunch of nodes - make a generic Control and then get that dom node
Sep 01 23:34:18 <rwatkins-mbp> .hasNode() returns that controls dom node.
Sep 01 23:34:29 <rwatkins-mbp> then go and manually append your own image node perhaps.
Sep 01 23:35:27 <kesne> Hmm
Sep 01 23:35:31 <kesne> Can I use appendChild?
Sep 01 23:35:49 <rwatkins-mbp> once you've got the dom node you can do whatever you want
Sep 01 23:35:50 <haydn> Hi All, anyone know how I can contact @warthogkernel other than twitter? (or how to send a PM on twitter I guess!)
Sep 01 23:38:42 <haydn> btw, I'm not in the wrong place, he does the warthog kernels for webos I believe - I'm not after a twitter irc channel! ;)
Sep 01 23:39:20 <EricBlade> kesne: theoretically you should be able to .. i tried that with something, though, and it just threw errrors
Sep 01 23:39:41 <kesne> EricBlade: Doesn't seem to be working for me
Sep 01 23:39:50 <dwc-> haydn: rwhitby said @warthogkernel is jhojho on irc
Sep 01 23:39:59 <kesne> this.$.bHolder.node.appendChild(img);
Sep 01 23:46:53 <haydn> Is PM on irc /<name> ? haven't irc'ed in a long time!
Sep 01 23:47:03 <SineOt> haydn: /msg <name>
Sep 01 23:49:42 <kesne> EricBlade: Thoughts?
Sep 01 23:51:32 <EricBlade> kesne: i didn't know about the "node" attribute, new to me
Sep 01 23:51:36 <EricBlade> i was just trying random stuff
Sep 01 23:51:51 <kesne> EricBlade: How'd you add a child then?
Sep 01 23:53:08 <EricBlade> i ended up doing something different, i didn't need to add a child
Sep 01 23:57:04 <haydn> Any devs looking for a qwerty pre3? (looking for a good home for 1 rather than whoring on ebay)
Sep 01 23:59:14 <rwatkins-mbp> haydn: possibly yes
Sep 02 00:00:02 <rwatkins-mbp> just released my enyo app for the pre3, but having a hard time fixing enyo perf issues w/o actual device.
Sep 02 00:03:25 <haeffb> haydn: yup
Sep 02 00:03:41 <haeffb> and rwatkins-mbp is an iOS developer in disguise
Sep 02 00:03:48 <rwatkins-mbp> heh
Sep 02 00:09:40 <kesne> haydn: I am
Sep 02 00:16:15 <haydn>  /haeffb did you get that last msg? xchat seems to be ignoring my posts!
Sep 02 00:16:46 <haydn> note to self, proof read ;)
Sep 02 00:26:26 * haydn test
Sep 02 00:35:39 <SineOt> having comments you made on the webOS developer blog sit in "moderation" for over a week is kind of disheartening
Sep 02 00:47:24 <EricBlade> is receiving a notification supposed to light up the screen, display the notice, then turn it back off?  that's a bit annoying.
Sep 02 00:47:26 <dawm|laptop> so w/ the pre3 doctor, does this mean we can have 2.2 on frankepre?
Sep 02 00:47:54 <SineOt> Oh that's just cruel: A seller on Amazon is using Amazon Fulfillment (meaning, the Touchpads are sitting in an Amazon owned warehouse and had been, at one point, owned by Amazon) but charging 269$ for a 16GB :(
Sep 02 00:49:04 <wrea> Well, at this point that just like me wanting the Pre2 from hp for $50. Not going to likely happen
Sep 02 00:53:23 <SineOt> wrea: it'd be like finding a seller that would sell you a Pre2 for $180, but the device actually ships straight from HP :p
Sep 02 00:53:49 <wrea> True.
Sep 02 00:54:17 <SineOt> just the fact that the seller doesn't even have any stock-Amazon has it, and they've been selling it for 99-that makes it cruel
Sep 02 00:55:29 <SineOt> I'm bummed that the Pre3 didn't have Beats Audio built into it! That would have been amazing.
Sep 02 01:09:08 <NuttyBunny> kesne: There, my app can now be reviewed everywhere.  There was no need to make all that fuzz in WOW. The update is already uploaded and waiting for review.
Sep 02 01:25:53 <kesne> EricBlade: I owe you a thanks, you surprisingly helped me.
Sep 02 01:25:54 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas_: :D
Sep 02 01:31:03 <EricBlade> kesne: you're welcome. I felt especially unhelpful, though
Sep 02 01:31:54 <EricBlade> it's nice to have only been here for a week and already being helpful instead of having people go "omg there's that blade guy again"
Sep 02 01:32:01 <EricBlade> they probably still do that, just behind my back now
Sep 02 01:35:44 <EricBlade> lol. my gf just noticed that the emulator has a battery meter. so, i clicked on it.  she says "someone set it at ... 69.. dude"
Sep 02 01:36:09 <Loudergood> the software is full of silly things like that
Sep 02 01:37:09 <fxspec06> great
Sep 02 01:37:24 <fxspec06> unix is pissed and rod may shut down the testing feeds because of a few bad apples
Sep 02 01:37:33 <fxspec06> =(
Sep 02 01:37:49 <fxspec06> i feel bad
Sep 02 01:38:23 <rwhitby-pre> fxspec06: there will always be a way for folks in here to get the stuff
Sep 02 01:38:53 <fxspec06> okay, that's good to know.
Sep 02 01:39:42 <rwhitby> but I am very tempted to just change the URL for the feeds, so that instructions copied from the wiki page become out of date.
Sep 02 01:41:48 <fxspec06> that may not be a bad idea. it's really up to everyone who works on them. if you guys think it would make it easier to test and make better kernels / patches / apps then do what you need to do
Sep 02 01:41:50 <kesne> rwhitby: What happened?
Sep 02 01:42:13 <fxspec06> kesne: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/289961-f15b-f15c-test-kernels-14.html
Sep 02 01:42:23 <fxspec06> that's just one page, the whole thread is the same thing
Sep 02 01:48:34 <kesne> Oh lord
Sep 02 01:48:43 <kesne> I fell sorry for you guys
Sep 02 01:53:35 <dawm|laptop> kesne: thats what happens when you get a whole lot of noobs at once
Sep 02 01:53:40 <dawm|laptop> idiocy
Sep 02 01:54:01 <Tommy> lol
Sep 02 01:55:02 <Tommy> reminds me of when the Droid came out in 2009, a flood of newbies into the android space, that's when #android stopped being useful :(
Sep 02 01:57:48 <fxspec06> precentral isn't what it used to be
Sep 02 01:57:55 <fxspec06> for better and for worse
Sep 02 01:58:37 <Tommy> sigh
Sep 02 01:58:37 <Bmyers> meh
Sep 02 01:58:48 <Tommy> i hate how palm/hp wanted to be apple.
Sep 02 01:59:00 <Tommy> started on one carrier, one device
Sep 02 01:59:28 <Bmyers> their devices didnt seem very apple like in appearance
Sep 02 01:59:53 <Tommy> lol why, because they had a slideout keyboard and gesture area?
Sep 02 02:00:06 <Tommy> i didn't say they wanted to make an iphone, i said they wanted to be apple
Sep 02 02:00:06 <Bmyers> small and smaller screens
Sep 02 02:00:18 <Tommy> make all of the hardware, make the OS, one carrier, one device
Sep 02 02:00:29 <Tommy> even when they expanded to other carriers, it was the same phone
Sep 02 02:00:32 <Bmyers> one successful device
Sep 02 02:00:36 <Tommy> i'm on t-mobile, would love to mess with webOS
Sep 02 02:00:44 <Bmyers> instead they went with two mediocure ones
Sep 02 02:01:08 <Tommy> Bmyers: yeah, but even the 2 are the same
Sep 02 02:01:15 <Tommy> just slideout or fixed keyboard
Sep 02 02:01:17 <Bmyers> small and smaller
Sep 02 02:01:44 <Bmyers> should have had a 4 inch device
Sep 02 02:01:50 <Tommy> true story.
Sep 02 02:01:55 <Bmyers> but instead came out with pixi
Sep 02 02:02:05 <Bmyers> when everyone else was going big..
Sep 02 02:02:16 <Tommy> iphone stayed smallish
Sep 02 02:02:21 <Tommy> 3.5 till the day they die
Sep 02 02:03:13 <Bmyers> i went to evo after my pre
Sep 02 02:03:21 <Bmyers> really liked the form factor
Sep 02 02:03:28 <Bmyers> hated the soft kb
Sep 02 02:03:33 <Tommy> i think that's too big (no jokes plz)
Sep 02 02:03:38 <Tommy> i want 4"
Sep 02 02:03:46 <Tommy> 4.3, meh, 4.5, meh
Sep 02 02:04:08 <Bmyers> i'm dig'n the TP tho
Sep 02 02:04:18 <Bmyers> quirky as it is
Sep 02 02:04:20 <Tommy> yeah i couldn't grab one... yet.
Sep 02 02:04:41 <Bmyers> grabbed a 32 from BB
Sep 02 02:04:43 <LarrySteeze> anyone here have a pre 3?
Sep 02 02:04:50 <Bmyers> in the minutes they were in stock
Sep 02 02:04:59 <Tommy> Bmyers: i was in australia
Sep 02 02:05:07 <Bmyers> boo hoo..
Sep 02 02:05:17 <Bmyers> get a digery-doo instead ?
Sep 02 02:05:29 <Tommy> nah
Sep 02 02:05:39 <Bmyers> too big for ya?
Sep 02 02:05:46 <Bmyers> they make mini ones
Sep 02 02:05:52 <EricBlade> ok guys bbl have a good night
Sep 02 02:07:20 <Bmyers> rumors of a 2nd batch, you might get one yet.
Sep 02 02:07:25 <Bmyers> or scalped off ebay
Sep 02 02:08:07 <wrea> There will be one last run. No price or date though
Sep 02 02:09:05 <Bmyers> i have another on order with HP supposedly
Sep 02 02:09:27 <Bmyers> got a conf last week, nothing on shipping it tho
Sep 02 02:09:52 <Bmyers> "ported" one of my mojo apps with the appinfo uiversion thing
Sep 02 02:09:57 <Bmyers> worked like a champ
Sep 02 02:10:14 <JenP> hi all!
Sep 02 02:10:21 <wrea> Hi JenP
Sep 02 02:10:22 <Bmyers> ogm magnum..
Sep 02 02:10:30 <JenP> LOL Bmyers!!!!!!
Sep 02 02:10:32 <Bmyers> its the QOS
Sep 02 02:10:34 <JenP> hiya
Sep 02 02:10:36 <Bmyers> hi
Sep 02 02:10:45 <Bmyers> u change jobs ?
Sep 02 02:10:54 <JenP> nope not yet
Sep 02 02:11:07 <Bmyers> ok, i got an email when i was on vaca
Sep 02 02:11:21 <Bmyers> not sure if it was an all-call or what
Sep 02 02:11:22 <JenP> Yup I'm working on that issue now
Sep 02 02:11:32 <JenP> call out to friends
Sep 02 02:11:36 <kesne> JenP: Whoah
Sep 02 02:11:38 <kesne> It's you
Sep 02 02:11:47 <JenP> Hi Kesne!
Sep 02 02:11:55 <Bmyers> ah, well this friend was in a cabin in the woods, no power, no internet, no phone, etc,,
Sep 02 02:12:06 <JenP> ohhhh my favorite place to be
Sep 02 02:12:11 <JenP> did you think of me LOL
Sep 02 02:12:19 <kesne> 17 filters
Sep 02 02:12:28 <Bmyers> yeah, i did. pm me..
Sep 02 02:12:30 <Bmyers> ;)
Sep 02 02:12:36 <JenP> LOL
Sep 02 02:12:42 <Bmyers> get your TP yet?
Sep 02 02:13:16 <JenP> no i was stupid and decided not to get it when I had the chance then changed my mind too late in the game
Sep 02 02:13:39 <Bmyers> its a fun device
Sep 02 02:16:04 <kesne> http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5w508JSgm1qbmvcto1_500.png
Sep 02 02:16:32 <fxspec06> kesne: lolololoollllllllllllllllll
Sep 02 02:17:36 <wrea> lol. Yes!
Sep 02 02:17:55 <wrea> I'm watching The Office right now
Sep 02 02:18:02 <kesne> I love The Office
Sep 02 02:19:16 <wrea> I'll be pissed if Darryl doesn't become the manager.
Sep 02 02:22:09 <CTLAdvance> evening
Sep 02 02:22:18 <nebula> hey
Sep 02 02:26:41 <JMac255> anyone know if a way to dl torrents on the tp?
Sep 02 02:35:44 <{DV8}> Ìû
Sep 02 02:35:46 <dawm|laptop> this is awesome
Sep 02 02:35:47 <dawm|laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5OZCWaJBdc
Sep 02 02:37:41 <kesne> CTLAdvance: Yo
Sep 02 02:37:48 <CTLAdvance> YO
Sep 02 02:38:37 <kesne> CTLAdvance: Haha
Sep 02 02:39:13 <CTLAdvance> Whats up
Sep 02 02:44:33 <dawm|laptop> http://team-touchdroid.com/
Sep 02 02:44:35 <dawm|laptop> nice
Sep 02 02:44:37 <dawm|laptop> dual boot video
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