**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 04 02:59:57 2011 Sep 04 03:00:40 I just got a veer. this thing ain't half bad. Sep 04 03:01:15 No, it's really surprisingly nice. I was impressed with the speaker quality when I played with it on the Feb 9th event Sep 04 03:01:26 Even in a loud room it was easily understandable Sep 04 03:01:49 yeah speaker did give me a pleasant surprise Sep 04 03:02:10 now I'm on wirc with it, its awesome. Sep 04 03:03:46 only downside is I can't charge it and listen to music in the car, no touchstone. Sep 04 03:04:09 dpivs: if you want I can give you one of mine... I kind of have plenty :p Sep 04 03:04:26 I've got uh, like 4 of them? and only one phone now that I've replaced my Pixi with a Nexus S :< Sep 04 03:05:28 oh haha thanks SineOt its not my main phone though so no biggie. thanks though. Sep 04 03:05:47 I want the pre 3 =\ Sep 04 03:06:23 Yeah, I waited and waited and waited for news of the Pre3, because I know hands down that the Pre3 could have held it out against most modern handsets... And then this whole thing happened Sep 04 03:07:10 they were selling it in .uk Sep 04 03:07:11 yeah I waited for pre 3 too, eventually out of frustration just switched to iphone. Sep 04 03:08:01 yeah, but no Pre3 on Sprint. With the discounts I have right now I'm really, really adverse to switching off to another carrier Sep 04 03:08:30 got the veer from a friend for cheap, mainly cuz I like to collect 'palm' devices. I have palm in quotes cuz its an hp device. Sep 04 03:08:43 I was less interested in the Pre3 when i realizrd it only displayed thre-quarters more lines of info. Sep 04 03:09:21 yeah, seems to becoming a collector's item Sep 04 03:09:37 those poor, short lived devices Sep 04 03:09:49 I think the pre 3 is quickly becoming a collector's item, haha Sep 04 03:10:22 dpivs, but hah, the Veer is basically a Palm device. The FCC filings for it had Palm slapped all over it, so I don't think HP really even had much of a play in any of its design Sep 04 03:10:43 touchpad, veer and pre3 were palm devices Sep 04 03:12:23 clark008. yup they definitely were. man, the kb on the veer is nice n' snappy. Sep 04 03:13:39 twbbas_: ping? Sep 04 03:13:59 alright I'm outty for now, have a good labor day weekend guys, and gals if there are any. Sep 04 03:17:03 fxspec06: ping? Sep 04 03:17:43 Clark008: I thought touchpad was designed post HP acquisition Sep 04 03:18:54 I think that it was designed with one foot in Palm and the other in HP, while the Veer was entirely with both feet still in Palm. Sep 04 03:46:43 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/296898-how-do-you-put-hd-movie-tp.html Sep 04 03:48:07 lol Sep 04 04:20:17 I am such a nerd I almost don't want to go to a party tonight so I can spend more time writing code Sep 04 04:24:52 which would leave you more satisfied tomorrow? Sep 04 04:46:01 EricBlade-TP: go to the party Sep 04 04:46:13 i know the feeling.. but go Sep 04 04:46:23 you will then realize that the party was a huge waste of time Sep 04 04:46:29 and go home and code more. Sep 04 04:46:33 goodnight folks Sep 04 04:53:11 are there any pre3 enyo apps out there? on device or in the app catalog? Sep 04 04:53:34 are there any pre3s out there? How many? Sep 04 04:53:44 not many. Sep 04 04:55:06 though possibly ~30 of them have used my app Sep 04 04:57:41 the problem is, devs got almost no advance warning, the catalog was snafued, then the hardware gotnaxed Sep 04 04:57:57 lol fxspec06_ Sep 04 04:58:23 As devs are actually able to get updates through, more apsnfor the pre 3 will be available. Sep 04 04:59:08 My update was submitted in the 2nd wek of aug, but stil hasn'nt gotten through yet. Sep 04 04:59:36 seems like the enyo sliding panes on the emulator perform wildly different than on the device Sep 04 04:59:48 flicker like crazy on the emulator, but not on the device. Sep 04 05:00:09 and on the device they are way slow to slide, or for scrollers in them to scroll Sep 04 05:00:37 but like the back gesture works apparently "buttery smooth" so .. wtf. Sep 04 05:01:00 i dont really like them honestly Sep 04 05:01:12 would be nice to know if "its just me" or other enyo apps on the pre3 are equally borked. Sep 04 05:02:30 so knowing if there like .. were any enyo apps on the pre3 would help. Sep 04 05:03:49 The version of Enyo on the Pre3 is officially not complete. Sep 04 05:04:23 ya, clearly. but apparently good enough for @adora to give it the thumbs up and publish my app anyway. Sep 04 05:05:46 I imagine at this point they expect that people who have Pre3s would be power users in every sense of the word :p Sep 04 05:05:53 and could deal with half completed things Sep 04 05:07:44 Chuq's words were something to the efect - it's there if you want to use it. Sep 04 05:08:16 or, .. if you can deal with the bugs. Sep 04 05:08:23 for what I wrote its essentially functional. Sep 04 05:09:07 there are a couple things - images w/o higher rez versions, a couple webkit bugs and some slight variatios on menu placement Sep 04 05:09:12 but basically works, other than the glaring perf issue Sep 04 05:13:57 I.... hmmm. I have my two macs setup to sync using magical network login and mobile profiles, but apparently whenever you try to change what it synced via the mobile profile system preferences option it just crashes. funfun. Sep 04 05:19:22 [shrugs] I use Unison to sync Sep 04 05:20:26 ok well apparently the airplane mode on this doesn't do a damn thing Sep 04 05:20:37 really... Sep 04 05:20:38 not on the emulator no Sep 04 05:20:39 Its syncing fine, thats not the issue. the issue is I want to change what syncs (Don't want music/movies/etc synced between the ssd on the mac mini and on the air. the main home directory is actually on a usb hard drive) Sep 04 05:21:05 I turned on airplane mode at 12 50 .. I was receiving mesa Sep 04 05:21:13 messages here until 100 Sep 04 05:21:34 and I just turned WiFi on but its still in airplane mode Sep 04 05:23:02 and somehow I just got it into a mode where the screenshot camera would trigger when hitting the home button Sep 04 05:23:29 I'll post a screen of it in WiFi on but in airplane mode tomorrow Sep 04 05:23:51 thats normal Sep 04 05:24:07 you can individually toggle bluetooth/wifi while in airplane Sep 04 05:24:20 that makes... no? sense Sep 04 05:25:05 airplane mode really should totally disable all radios... Sep 04 05:25:08 It does when you realize that 3G/4G connections were supposed to be included in those options Sep 04 05:25:33 airplane mode does when you toggle it on. after that you can turn individual radios back on, like, say, wifi if your flight has in flight wifi Sep 04 05:26:05 Yeah, you can toggle them on afterwards. Sep 04 05:26:26 I see. I think the definition of airplane mode has always been to shut off the radios Sep 04 05:26:49 EricBlade-TP it does. AFTER it does then you can turn them back on. Sep 04 05:26:58 well anyway time to go party even though I'd rather be codi g. hopefully tomorrow I'll say the party was better than coding Sep 04 05:27:01 buut Sep 04 05:27:12 doubt it Sep 04 05:27:13 if you turn one radio on then it shouldn't be in airplane mode anymore Sep 04 05:27:33 bbl Sep 04 05:34:48 gf is hogging my touchpad Sep 04 05:37:00 get a second, they're cheap Sep 04 05:37:35 yes, because you can still find them for 99 :P Sep 04 05:38:41 yeah, good luck :T Sep 04 05:39:17 because of course, once they were priced at 99, then everyone feels unwilling to pay more for it, even if its worth more than that to them. Sep 04 05:39:46 honestly? I can afford to drop 99$ but I couldn't afford dropping 250$ for one Sep 04 05:40:48 250$+ I should say, since eBay prices are creeping upwards :( Sep 04 05:41:00 6 weeks. they'll creep downwards. Sep 04 05:41:25 I hope so. Sep 04 05:42:34 I really doubt they'll be able to do anything to build on this momentum. its going to fizzle out. Sep 04 05:44:52 I just wish the driver supported monitor mode Sep 04 05:45:12 time machine backup plus profile sync all over a 135Mbps wifi link? why not... Sep 04 06:01:44 anyone know of if it would be possible to create a "connector" for Picasa to work with the albums apps in webOS ? Sep 04 06:02:20 I believe it would be, yeah Sep 04 06:02:23 Not sure how though Sep 04 06:02:59 I want to try, but have no clue where to start. Any tutorials, help or simply pointing to the right direction would be appreciated :) Sep 04 06:04:40 I think there's a tutorial discussing it on the Palm developer site Sep 04 06:06:26 The tutorial for the Synergy Connector is related to Contacts though, it was helpful ... but I have no clue how to interacts with the photos app Sep 04 06:06:56 hey! Sep 04 06:07:07 anyone knows the appid for amazon kindle? Sep 04 06:07:08 Hey Sep 04 06:07:31 I've got a couple palm pixi's I can't activate Sep 04 06:07:42 is there anything I can do with a hack's rom to make them do anything interesting/ Sep 04 06:08:05 what do you mean? Sep 04 06:18:12 imperfect-: #*DEVMODE# ? Sep 04 06:19:29 then "Call"? Wonder if that works on the pixi Sep 04 06:20:07 Well Sep 04 06:20:12 The phones are worthless to me Sep 04 06:20:14 i've got two Sep 04 06:20:18 i can't activate them Sep 04 06:21:47 imperfect-: Use the unlocking tool. Sep 04 06:22:06 What, to activate them? Sep 04 06:22:13 I don't care about that I've got other phones Sep 04 06:22:18 I just wanted to fool around w/ webos Sep 04 06:24:35 imperfect-: Use the dev unlocking tool. Sep 04 06:25:12 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Sep 04 06:25:20 imperfect-: Go there ^^ Sep 04 06:28:00 Thanks. Sep 04 06:38:33 Hi, I managed to get my hp touchpad frozen after messing around with the ubuntu install. Is there any option to hard reset it? Sep 04 06:38:46 the screen is completely frozen Sep 04 06:38:52 <|Jason8|> hold the power and the home for 15+ seconds Sep 04 06:38:56 hold up and power and count to 30 seconds Sep 04 06:38:57 did. Sep 04 06:39:01 still doing it Sep 04 06:39:12 let it discharge completely ;) Sep 04 06:39:22 :( Sep 04 06:39:41 no, really, the two button thing should work Sep 04 06:39:55 what is home? Sep 04 06:40:00 the button on the face Sep 04 06:40:04 <|Jason8|> one below screen Sep 04 06:40:04 ok Sep 04 06:40:07 and teh power buton Sep 04 06:40:23 ok Sep 04 06:40:26 got it :) Sep 04 06:40:27 yay Sep 04 06:40:33 :) thank u Sep 04 06:40:51 Topic LOCKED. I LOL'd. http://forums.hpwebos.com/t5/webOS-Software/TouchPad-and-Android/td-p/354918 Sep 04 06:40:56 it's not called "home", it's "Center" (the manual said) Sep 04 06:41:14 webOS calls it "Core Navi" Sep 04 06:41:22 Hey! Listen! Sep 04 06:41:33 LOL Sep 04 06:41:45 you sent me back 15 years! Sep 04 06:41:53 It happens :) Sep 04 06:41:56 GET BACK Sep 04 06:42:07 <|Jason8|> UNAUTHORIZED software Sep 04 06:42:12 <|Jason8|> wtf does that mean? :v Sep 04 06:42:47 software that isn't WebOS or Palm-related Sep 04 06:42:48 it means that the only authorized software for the TouchPad is the one that is delivered through the app catalog Sep 04 06:43:09 ^ Anything beyond that, you're on your own for support.. ie preware Sep 04 06:43:12 or through HP/Palm webpage Sep 04 06:43:14 exactly Sep 04 06:43:16 but there's a massive homebrew community Sep 04 06:43:18 so preware is okay Sep 04 06:43:34 <|Jason8|> :v Sep 04 06:43:40 HP/Palm embraces homebrew :) Sep 04 06:43:47 another question, any idea the maximum size I can have for a linux partition if I have a vanila webos? Sep 04 06:44:07 vanila as in which device? Sep 04 06:44:14 hp touchpad Sep 04 06:44:17 vanilla webos install takes ~1.3GB IIRC Sep 04 06:44:36 so if I have a 12 gb, I can give 10 to linux? Sep 04 06:44:38 ok Sep 04 06:44:41 sure Sep 04 06:44:43 I use 7 Sep 04 06:44:48 cool :) Sep 04 06:44:59 you have a 12 or 32gb?? Sep 04 06:45:02 and any idea how to turn off the keyboard in xserver? Sep 04 06:45:06 12 gb Sep 04 06:45:17 got it yesterday :) Sep 04 06:45:21 my head just exploded Sep 04 06:45:53 why? Sep 04 06:46:08 because Touchpads come in 16Gb, 32Gb and 64Gb sizes Sep 04 06:46:10 not 12 :P Sep 04 06:46:21 ohh it is 16 :D Sep 04 06:46:54 yeah, so, 10gb for linux is fine... overkill for me, but you can do it Sep 04 06:47:09 as for the vkb, you need to install tweaks from Preware Sep 04 06:48:17 any links? I searched for turning off keyboard, but the ones I got was not relevant Sep 04 06:48:47 search terms in google would also be fine :) Sep 04 06:49:47 Boo. "Your service account does not allow Internet connection sharing. Contact Palm for help." Sep 04 06:50:29 time for the preware version i guess Sep 04 06:50:32 Free tether to the rescue! Sep 04 06:51:30 yarr Sep 04 06:51:56 Yay Sep 04 06:51:59 Photo effects Sep 04 06:52:01 I can sleep now Sep 04 06:54:49 I'm so good Sep 04 06:55:16 erm. *hunts for freetether security options* **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 04 07:05:54 2011 Sep 04 07:19:18 /wi/win 10 Sep 04 07:45:00 heyy guys Sep 04 07:45:18 has anyone used blackberry's alice.js on webos? Does it work? Sep 04 07:45:30 i tried their demo via phonegap but it doesnt seem to work Sep 04 07:45:34 but it works in the browser Sep 04 07:58:00 win 10 Sep 04 08:08:49 How does the webos browser enable Javascript creations of css3 transitions? It doesn't work via app, but the browser does work... Sep 04 08:09:10 do we have to reload the css in our app? Sep 04 11:21:55 apparently, someone is making a google music wrapper Sep 04 13:19:13 hi Sep 04 13:21:17 i am having some serious problem with my preware Multimessaging plugin (again) Sep 04 13:21:43 somehow my IM accoung (icq) wont connect Sep 04 13:21:52 my status is active but the account isnt active somehow Sep 04 13:22:20 i reinstalled the plugin and everything worked fine until it somehow broke again out of nothing , somehow Sep 04 16:05:43 My touchpad came with a dead pixel :0 Sep 04 16:05:51 what will HP do? Sep 04 16:06:44 nothing. Sep 04 16:07:40 :0 Sep 04 16:10:29 is there some fix for dead pixels? Sep 04 16:10:53 Yeah. Sep 04 16:10:55 Train yourself to ignore it. Sep 04 16:13:07 I know, it's only one, and I can't see it the majority of the time but it's annoying. Sep 04 16:13:24 So i know theres a "dead pixel fixer" for webOS Sep 04 16:13:33 its $2.00, don't think it'll work on tp Sep 04 16:13:45 why not? Sep 04 16:14:10 you can't fix dead pixels... Sep 04 16:14:21 your "dead" pixel might be a "stuck" pixel... which can be fixed Sep 04 16:14:33 ... Sep 04 16:15:40 RoBz: It's kind of hard to fix hardware defect with software. Sep 04 16:15:59 not if its a stuck pixel Sep 04 16:18:22 don't need to pay $2 for that either Sep 04 16:21:03 http://www.google.com/search?q=stuck+pixel+fixer Sep 04 16:21:56 shoulda used lmgtfy Sep 04 16:22:45 lol Sep 04 16:22:45 WinterMute :0 Sep 04 16:23:01 the wintermute? Sep 04 16:23:09 Wii hb? Sep 04 16:23:16 don't you ask me that every time you see me? Sep 04 16:23:21 lol Sep 04 16:23:27 never thought I'd see you in a webOS place Sep 04 16:24:07 buy a tp? Sep 04 16:24:22 I just used a stuck pixel fixer, seems to be dead Sep 04 16:24:25 :( Sep 04 16:24:30 damn Sep 04 16:24:33 hp will send me a new one Sep 04 16:24:34 £89 is kind of hard to say no to :p Sep 04 16:24:36 or else Sep 04 16:24:49 I had to travel half way across my state to get one. Sep 04 16:25:11 I didn't leave my house :p Sep 04 16:25:42 internet Sep 04 16:25:43 really? you care that much about a dead pixel? Sep 04 16:25:47 Yes Sep 04 16:25:48 I do Sep 04 16:25:58 I spent $149 on this and it's not going to have a dead pixel Sep 04 16:26:02 lol Sep 04 16:26:13 you must realize how ridiculous that sounds? Sep 04 16:26:20 sure do Sep 04 16:26:24 anyway, anyone know much about the SDK stuff? I built one of the PDK samples but the runit stuff doesn't seem to be working Sep 04 16:26:25 but it bugs me Sep 04 16:26:38 well good luck getting one. Sep 04 16:26:43 they will send me one. Sep 04 16:26:48 lol Sep 04 16:26:50 Maybe two for my troubles? Sep 04 16:26:52 lol Sep 04 16:28:23 on with live chat now Sep 04 16:28:32 it costs like $30 an hour to call them :/ Sep 04 16:39:58 so I'm wanting to increase a2dp/bluetooth audio volume Sep 04 16:40:11 it appears that the volume package for touchpad just issues `amixer set 'AIF1 Boost' 1`. all of the available amixer things to tweak are listed here: http://pastebin.falz.net/142 Sep 04 16:40:20 bt_sco_rx and bt_sco_tx exist but I would think they're for headset audio since they're mono. one can issue things like `amixer set 'bt_sco_tx',5 3` to tweak it. anyone have any idea which of these would relate to bluetooth a2dp stereo audio? Sep 04 17:00:26 is the zagg invisishield any good for the touchpad Sep 04 17:10:06 bodyguardz are good Sep 04 17:10:18 hmm wish the pair to my evo worked consistently Sep 04 17:10:44 least u can get it to pair Sep 04 17:10:55 my wildfire doesnt see it at all Sep 04 17:11:00 yea I've made and recurvdd a call Sep 04 17:11:10 and txt works fine Sep 04 17:12:10 lol i cant recieve or send texts w/ my pre 2 Sep 04 17:12:16 & pad Sep 04 17:19:27 bodyguarz? Sep 04 17:19:36 fxspec06_, try rebooting? Sep 04 17:19:41 that happens ALL of the time with my pre2 Sep 04 17:19:49 ill reboot and see all of my missed texts Sep 04 17:19:53 no it just not supported. when it paired**** Sep 04 17:19:59 oh Sep 04 17:20:21 I'm just looking for a screen protector Sep 04 17:21:51 ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH why won't these elements show. grr. Sep 04 17:23:05 fxspec06_: if using enyo, check it out in the browser Sep 04 17:23:24 nope. wildn. making a tutorial Sep 04 17:23:58 for dummies Sep 04 17:24:43 bodyguardz Sep 04 17:24:50 google it siestacat Sep 04 17:25:28 oo oo Sep 04 17:25:28 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bodyguardz Sep 04 17:28:20 I googled Sep 04 17:28:45 Need something cheaper Sep 04 17:28:49 my screen got a scratch :0 Sep 04 17:29:10 I just called webOS butler service for my dead pixel, the lady didn't understand what a dead pixel was. I hung up. Sep 04 17:57:54 can someone tell me what there is equivalent to the NSdictionary for ios that I an use with webos? Sep 04 17:58:12 I want to set a key to retrieve a value Sep 04 17:58:40 persisted when the app closes? Sep 04 17:58:46 no Sep 04 17:58:48 javascript hash Sep 04 17:58:52 indeed Sep 04 17:59:01 NSDictionary = {}; Sep 04 17:59:13 NSDictionary.foo = bar; Sep 04 17:59:22 baz = NSDictionary.foo; Sep 04 17:59:59 or NSDictionary = new Object(); if your still wish the language were more verbose. Sep 04 18:00:32 sorry my programming understanding is weak Sep 04 18:03:55 I think i would want it persisted when the app closes. Sep 04 18:04:21 It`s supposed to be like a library created after parsing an xml file Sep 04 18:06:06 html5 localStorage then - http://diveintohtml5.org/storage.html Sep 04 18:06:58 with webOS there is also db8, but there be dragons. Sep 04 18:07:44 thanks. I'll do some reading and come back Sep 04 18:08:47 actual dev disucssion here, amazing Sep 04 18:09:02 I actually haven't looked into db8. skipped it when reading the Enyo guide. Sep 04 18:19:17 rwatkins: don't get used to it... Sep 04 18:20:25 any info on the 303 update Sep 04 18:21:59 I think the thermocouple on my water heater has gone bad...no pilot lighting :( Sep 04 18:22:30 may be time to get one of those fancy tankless water heaters Sep 04 18:34:44 190 people but so little discussion... Sep 04 18:36:41 I was poking around looking for a tracking app.. we should have that capability Sep 04 18:36:55 or google latitude Sep 04 18:43:24 what kind of tracking Sep 04 18:43:46 there's a handful of gps tracking and report-location-to-website sorts of apps Sep 04 18:44:59 woo got tutorial done. now i needa do hands. because people don't know poker hands. =p Sep 04 18:47:54 just found latitude updater in preware.. that looks nice actually Sep 04 18:48:25 just looking for something like that for now Sep 04 18:59:31 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 04 19:01:25 How long have app updates been taking since the App Catalog was "fixed"? Sep 04 19:04:18 erm Sep 04 19:04:20 5 days Sep 04 19:04:26 7 days counting weekends Sep 04 19:05:03 Long than it was, but endurable. Sep 04 19:05:17 kinda sux. =| Sep 04 19:05:44 The app scanner rejected my apps for entirely new spurious reasons. :-( Sep 04 19:05:58 it rejected it? Sep 04 19:06:05 So, gotta wait more days for un-rejection. Sep 04 19:06:16 I think app update times are totally random. Last one took me less than 36 hrs. Sep 04 19:06:16 really? you ahve to wait for unrejection Sep 04 19:06:17 wow Sep 04 19:06:36 i think app updates only happen on wednesdays Sep 04 19:06:43 and monday mornings Sep 04 19:06:47 if you're special. Sep 04 19:07:14 got my last one on Thursday. Sep 04 19:07:15 My app has a JavaScript service, but also runs under 1.4.5 Sep 04 19:07:41 Still rejecting my app for calling its own JavaScript service. Sep 04 19:08:01 Still thinks getAccountInfo is a non-public API Sep 04 19:08:44 I don't think it rejected my app for calling makeDirs last time. Sep 04 19:10:02 damn Sep 04 19:10:07 that stinks =| Sep 04 19:10:40 Oh! I generate the serviceId on the fly -- that's why its rejecting the call to makeDirs. Stupid mistake, but at least comprehensible. Sep 04 19:10:55 Didn't see that when I read the e-mail before -- too annoyed. Sep 04 19:11:54 Anyone submitted a new app since the app catalog was "fixed"? Sep 04 19:12:18 yes, I submitted on 8/31 Sep 04 19:13:36 Has it passed yet? Sep 04 19:14:21 yes, it passed on 9/1 Sep 04 19:14:51 Wow, nice to know something is working. Sep 04 19:15:37 no services. enyo only. webOS 2.2+ this time around, but was correctly flagged for Pre3 and TouchPad. Sep 04 19:17:02 How'd you handle the varying screen size? SlidingView? Sep 04 19:17:24 hmm Sep 04 19:17:35 i'm thinking about cancelling the phone version of my game Sep 04 19:17:43 Why? Sep 04 19:17:54 and checking off the 'HD' version as phone compatible Sep 04 19:18:03 what.... the..... helll.... I opened my google apps account (by login in via gmail.com instead of the crazy google.com/a stuff, which itself is amazing) and lion asked if I wanted it to set that account up for me locally. amazing Sep 04 19:18:04 unified Sep 04 19:19:16 I find all the "HD" versions annoying, from a customer point of view they should generally be unified Sep 04 19:19:24 well mine is Sep 04 19:20:02 but i didn't want to take the chance that the review team would mark it correctly Sep 04 19:20:15 so i released a separate version Sep 04 19:20:32 fxspec06 Yeah... I agree with the unified stuff. blame apple. Sep 04 19:20:51 i'd rather blame oil. Sep 04 19:20:56 psh Sep 04 19:21:09 Blame HP for a confused strategy for supported frameworks. Sep 04 19:21:14 but apple is at fault as well Sep 04 19:21:28 * halfhalo blames hp Sep 04 19:21:44 * fxspec06 points angry finger at HP Sep 04 19:21:57 k i gotta do more work Sep 04 19:24:21 I saw a review for the Touchpad that says you can touch your Pre to your touchpad and it'll put whatever is on the phone onto the touchpad, what is this feature called? Sep 04 19:25:49 touch to share Sep 04 19:25:50 Touch-to-Share. But it's basically a demo at present. Sep 04 19:28:44 it'll never happen - it was meant for the touchpad and the pre3 and beyond :( Sep 04 19:29:02 The Veer has the hardware for it. Sep 04 19:29:17 but not the OS Sep 04 19:29:22 But I would guess any future device manufacturer would use NFC instead. Sep 04 19:31:55 the coils are only used for device authentication first .. all data is sent over bluetooth Sep 04 19:32:24 yup Sep 04 20:18:33 What's going on? Sep 04 20:31:20 for those asking about the CVS case its db decibel electronics sku 847577 for iPad works with tp Sep 04 20:59:50 what cvs case Sep 04 21:07:06 ipad1 leather case with that folds Sep 04 22:06:37 * Tibfib_ should donate $.74 to wosi: http://www.precentral.net/precentral-community-raises-16-699-26-webos-internals Sep 04 22:16:08 Tibfib_: lol Sep 04 22:18:34 actually, I should donate $.73 Sep 04 22:19:12 * oil uses koto exclusively for music on his phone now :) Sep 04 22:19:25 * oil is glad he talked Tibfib_ into spacebar=pause/play Sep 04 22:19:35 hah Sep 04 22:20:45 Got some motivation today to do it for the touchpad Sep 04 22:25:09 my tutorial. is. incredible. Sep 04 22:32:38 tut on? Sep 04 22:32:58 tutorials give me hope Sep 04 22:36:35 tutorial in my game Sep 04 22:36:52 on my game. about my game. anything and everything about my game. you can find out, in my game Sep 04 22:37:10 o video poker. I will be buying. Sep 04 22:37:36 sweeeeeet. update should hit tomorrow. no tutorial in that one Sep 04 22:37:37 I have an addiction to satisfy Sep 04 22:37:53 HD? Sep 04 22:38:09 but. the tutorial is almost finished. and i'm forcing everyone to finish it before they can play again. Sep 04 22:38:22 or touchpad sized I mean? Sep 04 22:38:23 it uses high resolution images Sep 04 22:38:28 lol Sep 04 22:45:05 how long do you guys reckon a laptop should last? Sep 04 22:45:13 * jackster is considering whether to get a new MacBook Pro Sep 04 22:46:55 ive got an 08 unibody Sep 04 22:47:27 no problems with it so far Sep 04 22:47:45 two to three yrs Sep 04 22:47:45 I have a 486dx2 laptop which works Sep 04 22:47:52 So I'd say they last pretty long Sep 04 22:47:58 if handled properly Sep 04 22:48:00 :P Sep 04 22:48:24 of course the battery is sorta dead in it so need to keep it plugged in but besides that... :D Sep 04 22:48:48 10 years Sep 04 22:48:53 to 20 years Sep 04 22:48:54 easily Sep 04 22:49:11 but that's MY laptops. idk about other ppl =P Sep 04 22:49:12 prob with new macbooks is the battery isnt swapable. Sep 04 22:49:32 that way you buy a new one instead of a new battery :O Sep 04 22:49:42 yep. Sep 04 22:49:42 fxspec06_: my boss usually holds his macbook from one of the corners with his fingers Sep 04 22:49:49 Trying to get people into thinking "when the battery is dead, it's dead" Sep 04 22:49:53 He did that in an Apple store Sep 04 22:50:02 The salesperson freaked out slightly Sep 04 22:50:03 :D Sep 04 22:50:08 lol Sep 04 22:50:16 omgyou are holding it wrong! Sep 04 22:50:20 (that's what she said?) Sep 04 22:50:42 Well try holding it like that and you'll notice it's really easy to accidentally drop it... Sep 04 22:50:45 :D Sep 04 22:51:07 Coincidentally my boss has needed his macbook replaced almost yearly because of certain... accidents Sep 04 22:51:10 =) Sep 04 22:51:23 11" macbook air perhaps, harder with a 17" macbook pro Sep 04 22:51:39 get bigger fingers Sep 04 22:51:39 lol Sep 04 22:51:44 Yeah Air is pretty light Sep 04 22:51:59 she got a zagg shield for the touchpad Sep 04 22:52:03 and her touchpad she didn't get one Sep 04 22:52:07 big difference when carrying it Sep 04 22:52:16 I can't carry hers by the corner. Sep 04 22:55:46 Hi All Sep 04 22:56:28 hi Sep 04 22:57:02 Anyone aware of any WebOS DLNA/UPNP projects in development? Sep 04 22:59:48 just cross compiled the Platinum UPnP SDK to run on my pre3 to start creating a DLNA controller, don't want to waste my time if someones working on something similar Sep 04 23:00:17 BHome - UPnP Media Player: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.bluestarsoftware.bhome&applicationid=9185 Sep 04 23:00:32 Check that out Sep 04 23:02:32 Guess that's not available on Pre3 yet as it doesn't show up in my app list, either that or it's not in the UK app store... doesn't look like a dlna controller either, just player Sep 04 23:02:51 just player, just touchpad Sep 04 23:03:43 Tibfib_: ping Sep 04 23:04:08 Any idea what libraries that runs on? Sep 04 23:04:36 :-| Sep 04 23:04:49 noon dev here Sep 04 23:04:52 noob Sep 04 23:05:21 ;P Sep 04 23:09:03 rwatkins: ping Sep 04 23:11:37 yo Sep 04 23:11:56 rwatkins: would you be willing to open source your scroll bars? Sep 04 23:12:55 Tibfib: its not exactly all setup to be a generic component Sep 04 23:13:06 rwatkins: oh? Sep 04 23:13:08 how does it work? Sep 04 23:13:24 if you wanna look thru the source code and 'borrow' some of the code, go ahead tho Sep 04 23:13:40 nomnomnom is gpl Sep 04 23:13:43 okay with that? Sep 04 23:14:53 there's an updateScroll function in Article.js - it goes looking for the right node, and calculates a scrollbar based on boundaries, height and offset Sep 04 23:15:30 feel free to re-use the logic in yours, its like a dozen lines for most of the work Sep 04 23:16:03 alrighty, thanks Sep 04 23:27:34 direct me towards html5 canvas tutorials? Sep 04 23:28:59 The Far Cry Fowl canvas game tutorial on the developer site was helpful for me. Sep 04 23:29:16 thank you Sep 04 23:29:20 Just uses images, no drawing on the canvas. Sep 04 23:29:47 Far Out Fowl, my bad. Sep 04 23:30:01 far cry addiction? Sep 04 23:31:05 No, thankfully. Sep 04 23:40:30 hi Sep 04 23:42:01 :/ my touchpad has a crack on its bezel Sep 04 23:42:59 yay Sep 04 23:43:05 got swipe to mark unread working in nomnomnom Sep 04 23:44:28 halfhalo: don't you have like 7? Sep 04 23:44:44 Tibfib only 3 Sep 04 23:44:51 oh no Sep 04 23:44:52 the one that cracked was my main one :( Sep 04 23:45:04 :( Sep 04 23:45:24 hmmm how to represent a star with a width of 4 pixels? Sep 04 23:46:56 3x3 Sep 04 23:48:00 hmmm Sep 04 23:48:03 I don't think I will Sep 04 23:48:38 wth.... the air managed to break its mail cache Sep 04 23:48:55 not a good day for you halfhalo Sep 04 23:49:02 rwatkins: as a customer, I don't expect all my phone apps to work on my tablet. And vice versa. Sep 04 23:49:37 Tibfib well its all backed up via time machine.... and on another computer... and all the accounts are gmail so nothing is actually lost, but its still a pain. Sep 04 23:49:43 NuttyBunny: hows the TouchPad? Sep 04 23:50:52 haeffb: great, thanks! :D Sep 04 23:52:02 It is pretty freaking nice to have my dev env synced between all of my computers though. That makes it worth it. Sep 04 23:55:00 so you plan to donate it to webOS internals...or me? Sep 04 23:57:46 wow. every time i reboot my touchpad. 3 updates available. app catalog, adobe reader, and quickoffice. EVERY TIME. Sep 04 23:57:51 WTH Sep 04 23:58:21 annoying Sep 04 23:58:30 does anyone have this problem Sep 04 23:58:39 and NuttyBunny: you got a tp? i though t you had one? Sep 04 23:59:13 fxspec06_, the other one is a loaner Sep 05 00:00:02 ooh i see. why give it back? Sep 05 00:00:11 firesale price.. Sep 05 00:00:42 YAY my tutorial works! and only forces you to use it once! Sep 05 00:01:11 fxspec06_: no, I still have both.. long story short: I still don't know if I'll have to return it, but in the meantime I want to have mine, just in case :) Sep 05 00:02:03 man i wish i had native fb messeging on ma touchpad, that would be the icing on the cake for meh Sep 05 00:02:05 ohhhhhhhhh i seee. Sep 05 00:02:23 you do, with NuttyBunny's messaging plugin Sep 05 00:02:28 NuttyBunny: there's no one left to give them back to Sep 05 00:02:29 (amirite)? Sep 05 00:03:37 rMcL: You can use facebook chat within the facebook page in the browser ;) Sep 05 00:04:12 haeffb: really? well, Adam hasn't answered emails for several days Sep 05 00:04:44 i hope that means that i won't be charged anything if i keep it Sep 05 00:05:01 =p Sep 05 00:07:31 fxspec06_, last thing I knew was that they'll charge at firesale price (149) Sep 05 00:07:35 plus shipping Sep 05 00:08:37 ya which isn't bad Sep 05 00:08:39 i'll take it Sep 05 00:08:44 ;) Sep 05 00:09:54 nuttybunny, yes thats good and works just the messaging app would be so much more elegant no? Sep 05 00:09:57 yeah, even if I have to pay that for the loaner, I'd keep it :) I just needed to have my backup Sep 05 00:10:08 im just being a picky Sep 05 00:10:31 rMcL: No, I want it as well, it's in the queue, right after NuttyPad Sep 05 00:10:53 oh are you a developer? im not aware of whos who ive jsut joined Sep 05 00:10:53 i want it too! Sep 05 00:11:11 NuttyBunny is a rabbit Sep 05 00:12:04 Whats nuttypad btw? Sep 05 00:12:20 NuttyBunny is a Bunny Sep 05 00:13:10 rMcL: http://twitpic.com/6fpag9 Sep 05 00:13:13 that's nuttypad Sep 05 00:16:49 Ugh, had this cell number 1 day and already getting people calling for the last guy that had it. Sep 05 00:16:51 nerdrage Sep 05 00:17:14 RAGE Sep 05 00:17:33 well, technically I still have my old number.. it won't expire for a few months Sep 05 00:17:48 They couldn't port it over going from prepaid to prepaid Sep 05 00:17:59 from a different company, even though they own it. Sep 05 00:18:04 herpa derp Sep 05 00:19:52 still not sure what nuttypad is lol Sep 05 00:20:04 an appppp Sep 05 00:20:50 ah notepad for sketching with stylus it seems Sep 05 00:22:08 destinal, rMcL: yes, a notepad, but with finger or stylus (I don't have stylus) :D Sep 05 00:22:11 is it hard to port numbers in the US? Sep 05 00:22:35 It's supposedly easy to port them in Canada. Sep 05 00:22:47 ah i see Sep 05 00:22:47 Really easy over here in UK Sep 05 00:22:51 sounds good Sep 05 00:22:55 hows it coming Sep 05 00:23:38 NuttyBunny: so, uh, how does such a thing work in Enyo? Sep 05 00:24:13 whats enyo? Sep 05 00:24:26 For some reason I haven't the faintest idea about how arbitrary sketching in an image would work in javascript generally Sep 05 00:24:35 Fun fun. My Pre 2 has decided it shall not play any audio unless the headphones are plugged in... Even if I restarted the damn thing Sep 05 00:24:39 >_> Sep 05 00:24:53 zomg: bad connection inside socket Sep 05 00:24:58 No idea Sep 05 00:25:03 destinal: capture "mouse" events, dragging events specifically, then join the points with lines, it's not -that- hard Sep 05 00:25:07 It worked fine earlier today, before I plugged the headphones in Sep 05 00:25:13 zomg: that was a statement, not a question ;) Sep 05 00:25:24 Ha =) Sep 05 00:25:36 destinal: of course, I've played quite a lot with movement with photofun, so, it was just almost natural Sep 05 00:26:34 well at least I can blame this if the alarm does ring in the morning and I'm late for work Sep 05 00:26:37 =) Sep 05 00:27:09 oh Sep 05 00:27:14 hitting it fixed it :P Sep 05 00:28:28 Oh except it's still not playing some of the sounds Sep 05 00:28:52 Sometimes I feel like going back to the iphone :P Sep 05 00:29:04 Does anyone know of anyway to make advanced web browser the default one? Sep 05 00:29:06 and sometimes when using the iphone I felt like going back to nokia Sep 05 00:29:18 amount of quirks: Pre 2 > iPhone > * > Nokia Sep 05 00:29:19 =) Sep 05 00:32:46 lol Sep 05 00:32:53 amount of features: Pre 2 > iPhone > * > Nokia Sep 05 00:32:55 * Shadyman ducks Sep 05 00:33:27 What no Pre3 in that list? ;) Sep 05 00:34:45 we'd have to have them in north america to try :P Sep 05 00:38:26 NuttyBunny: you think there's any reasonable way to export drawings to a PC? Sep 05 00:38:33 sounds fairly challenging.. Sep 05 00:38:48 maybe just take screen shots Sep 05 00:38:53 we have png Sep 05 00:38:56 at least Sep 05 00:39:08 and we'll have printing Sep 05 00:39:13 PNG's not bad Sep 05 00:40:04 Shadyman: perhaps something like that, but reliability is an important factor too :D Sep 05 00:40:27 heh Sep 05 00:40:28 yay Sep 05 00:40:34 swipe to mark read/star Sep 05 00:40:36 slick Sep 05 00:40:38 So haydn.. When are you shipping us some pre3s? :D Sep 05 00:42:28 tbh it tells you something when you can set an alarm in a nokia Sep 05 00:42:34 turn the entire phone off completely Sep 05 00:42:49 and it will still ring at the time you set the alarm Sep 05 00:43:05 I'm not sure if any other maker's phone I've used do that.. =) Sep 05 00:44:53 hmm i wonder. maybe i should give away 1,000 copies of clearview, and put the promo code inside wild'n video poker Sep 05 00:45:44 that would leak. wouldn't work. =| Sep 05 00:46:49 Ah, reminds me of the glorious day when I rickrolled a a couple thousand nokia employees... =) Sep 05 00:47:12 Some internal email mixup when I was subcontracting there, some guy ended up mailing apparently nearly the entire company Sep 05 00:47:28 Reply all -> Link to rickroll Sep 05 00:47:30 Profit Sep 05 00:47:31 =) Sep 05 00:47:43 lmfao Sep 05 00:48:13 There was some people reply alling "please remove me from this conversation" etc. Sep 05 00:48:23 I just sent "Go to this address to unsubscribe" Sep 05 00:48:31 lollllll Sep 05 00:48:44 another rick roll.. Sep 05 00:48:56 infite loop. head asplode Sep 05 00:50:34 so the pre3 has the same chip that could be nice Sep 05 00:50:48 but I'm partial to a large screen Sep 05 00:57:58 I think i might start workingon AiliumHD tomorrow Sep 05 00:59:53 what's ailium Sep 05 01:00:01 is it anything like adium Sep 05 01:21:54 AiliumHD: Good for what ails you Sep 05 01:25:25 fxspec06: just a random ass name for a game Sep 05 01:27:34 basically TPify it (graphics, grid metrics ..etc) Sep 05 01:29:23 i also need to make sure my twitter lib still works Sep 05 01:35:38 hello? Sep 05 01:38:09 I didn't do it. Sep 05 01:38:54 Liar. Sep 05 01:39:03 yup Sep 05 01:39:05 haha Sep 05 01:41:05 Surprising quiet.... Sep 05 01:41:15 *surprisingly Sep 05 01:44:05 So, um, does anyone know how to work MediaCapture in enyo? Sep 05 01:47:48 diddy did it Sep 05 01:58:14 does anyone have segmentation fault with SSH under xterm? Sep 05 02:17:40 remember when the HTC Hero was the phone to have.. only because it had flash.. Sep 05 02:34:05 dawm: lol Sep 05 02:35:20 amazon has a tablet Sep 05 02:35:37 YOUR MOM HAS A TABLET Sep 05 02:36:17 she does? i didn't think she was into those things Sep 05 02:36:59 lol, USA today headline: Amazon tablet could take on iPad Sep 05 02:37:25 that's a cool app. that usa today Sep 05 02:42:40 usa today is an awesome app Sep 05 02:42:55 If I made another google reader app, I'd try out the usa today ui Sep 05 02:44:51 oh come on Sep 05 02:45:01 yeah. it's really. how do i put it. alive Sep 05 02:45:01 stupid css differences in chrome and the touchpad Sep 05 02:45:09 blame gogle Sep 05 02:45:11 google Sep 05 02:45:15 f google. Sep 05 02:45:46 i say that, yet i only use google search engine Sep 05 02:45:57 hah Sep 05 02:46:19 but google search is different. that's the google i support Sep 05 02:46:35 * Tibfib loves chrome Sep 05 02:46:35 lol Sep 05 02:48:20 dakani: what's up with mediacapture? Sep 05 02:50:09 twbbas_: you around? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 05 02:59:57 2011