**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 05 02:59:57 2011 Sep 05 03:08:54 Is it possible to access previous Pivot issues? Sep 05 03:18:09 akanster: no Sep 05 03:18:34 :( Sep 05 03:18:36 Negative review for my Instapaper client "Boo, doesnt support ReadItLater". Sep 05 03:18:40 WTF?! Sep 05 03:19:15 Like a bad review for XBOX360 "Boo, doesnt support Playstation games". Sep 05 03:19:59 wow Sep 05 03:20:28 LOL... negative reviews on Freecam: "Takes pictures as it says"... ok.. but... "Camera for Touchpad is much better, even though 99¢" ... and 1 star .. :S Sep 05 03:20:39 I would so love to be able to respond to reviews. Like 3 Stars "No technical reason why it shouldnt work with a free Instapaper account." Sep 05 03:21:08 lol negative review for clearview, "doesnt make every card clear" Sep 05 03:21:20 the technical reason is I dont screen scrape the website of someone else's commercial service! The provided API is subscription only. Sep 05 03:21:29 the thinking behind that is pretty amazing... you read the description, you know what the app does, you download it and complain it doesn't do something else. Sep 05 03:21:32 2 stars: "ignores touchpad rotation" ... it's a freaking free touchpad! Sep 05 03:22:03 camera, not touchpad Sep 05 03:22:04 hehehe Sep 05 03:22:57 Maybe time for app description to have a notes section responding to comments I guess. lame, but maybe necessary. Sep 05 03:23:01 isn't using the touchpad as a camera a bit ... awkward Sep 05 03:23:07 shhhh Sep 05 03:23:11 don't tell anyone Sep 05 03:23:14 lol Sep 05 03:23:17 hehehe Sep 05 03:23:27 don't tell kesne!! Sep 05 03:24:26 it's not as awkward as holding it in front of your face when showing a picture of your face! Sep 05 03:24:46 while someone is taking a picture of you holding your touchpad with a picture of your face over your face Sep 05 03:24:47 haha, isnt that Ben's twitter pic? Sep 05 03:25:04 but he got one waay before we did Sep 05 03:31:58 who actually wants to take pictures with the touchpad Sep 05 03:32:14 use your cell phone Sep 05 03:32:19 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 05 03:32:34 hai Sep 05 03:32:38 Deihmos people playing around with the camera to see how the pics are Sep 05 03:32:54 lame Sep 05 03:33:00 Taking pictures would come in handy with TouchNote Sep 05 03:33:11 i think alot of people dont use their phones ... as phones. So the TP is a fairly decent replacement for almost all of their smartphone. Sep 05 03:33:40 The now-dead 3G version even more so. Sep 05 03:34:08 you'll want to take pictures with the TouchPad to play with photofun (tm) Sep 05 03:34:17 I find my phone can do a lot more Sep 05 03:34:56 to me is a complement Sep 05 03:39:50 I'm pretty sure not, but is there a way for an end user to launch an app in a way that would pass diferennt launchParam than usual? Sep 05 03:40:23 by manually launching it from the command line. Sep 05 03:40:53 Of course, but I mean ordinary users Sep 05 03:41:34 or some other rogue app launching it ... Sep 05 03:42:07 but in the course of 'normal events' likely no. Sep 05 03:43:10 but then I also see odd things like wierd version numbers of my app in the logs, so Im sure there are a few people out there hacking random crap in Sep 05 03:43:44 Charming. Sep 05 03:44:15 I suppose I could check if the volume down key is depressed. Sep 05 03:44:37 Is that sync or asynch? Sep 05 03:47:11 * haydn hates night shifts Sep 05 03:53:38 hi, looking for a bluetooth keyyboard that's not the offcial hp one that I an use with my tp Sep 05 03:53:55 can't find official one anywhere near me Sep 05 03:54:05 apple wireless keyboard works Sep 05 03:54:38 so does the MS one Sep 05 03:54:50 which Ms. one? Sep 05 03:55:11 and apple's regular one? Sep 05 03:55:16 for computers? Sep 05 03:55:18 http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/bluetooth-mobile-keyboard-6000 Sep 05 03:55:35 i use that one for pc.. and it works w/ tp too.. Sep 05 03:55:46 90$ Sep 05 03:55:48 too much Sep 05 03:55:57 do any work with tp? Sep 05 03:58:00 I presume most will work - more a question of special function keys. Sep 05 03:59:10 special function keys? Sep 05 03:59:30 brightness, card view key, etc Sep 05 03:59:57 yeah, this MS one works awesome. i just paired it. and the windows key worked perfectly as the card key Sep 05 04:00:08 i didnt know there were special function keys Sep 05 04:00:13 i can try now if u like Sep 05 04:00:24 i'd have to un pair and pair again tho lol Sep 05 04:00:35 windows key doubles as card view? Sep 05 04:00:39 yeah Sep 05 04:00:39 that's nice Sep 05 04:00:43 mhmm Sep 05 04:00:46 hmmmm Sep 05 04:01:51 When I got my tp I phoned the Butler service to ask how to generate keyboard shortcuts, and how to change the keyboard to Dvorak. Sep 05 04:02:06 lol Sep 05 04:02:17 I called butler this morning Sep 05 04:02:22 omg that so mean Sep 05 04:02:28 lady didn't know what a dead pixel was Sep 05 04:02:38 it's one that isn't alive! Sep 05 04:03:29 my accessories are all due to arrive wed. i hope sooner! Sep 05 04:03:49 I have sympathy for the worker - minimum wage in India has to be a pittance. But i have little for the managers who prepare them so poorly. Sep 05 04:04:13 lol Sep 05 04:05:02 hmmm Sep 05 04:05:07 Does India even have a minimum wage? They used to be Socialist? Sep 05 04:05:19 any bluetooth windows keyboards under $30? Sep 05 04:09:47 and is the official one nice? Sep 05 04:12:30 woah 30 for keyboard in stock at local bb Sep 05 04:13:46 one last question Sep 05 04:13:56 is a screen protector needed? Sep 05 04:14:07 I notice a tiny scratch right now Sep 05 04:16:28 <|Jason8|> I've got an InvisibleShield on mine Sep 05 04:16:34 <|Jason8|> Hate scratched screens Sep 05 04:17:00 my screen never gets scratched just dirty Sep 05 04:20:28 ill eventually get a screen protector for mine Sep 05 04:20:37 but yeah no scratches for me Sep 05 04:20:42 i got one of those stylus Sep 05 04:20:49 Iused screen protectors on my phones , but it eventually seemed unneccesary. Sep 05 04:21:57 I have a microscopic scratch on tp Sep 05 04:22:03 othereise it gets dirty Sep 05 04:22:18 15$ for a piece of plastic seems high though Sep 05 04:23:18 yep Sep 05 04:27:27 so uh Sep 05 04:27:34 dunno what I should do Sep 05 04:27:46 will definatwly pick up a keyboard tomorrow Sep 05 04:27:57 $30 b&m Sep 05 04:29:49 that's a steal Sep 05 04:31:40 anything else I should buy? Sep 05 04:31:46 I've got the official case Sep 05 04:33:01 Touchstone Sep 05 04:33:21 Hrm, my Veer shit itself. Pulled it out of my pocket to see an activation screen. Sep 05 04:35:07 touchstone just glorified charger Sep 05 04:35:51 I find it usefully for my touchpad Sep 05 04:36:35 Very useful for touchpad - I actually use mine more as a stand than a charger. Sep 05 04:37:36 I got the case though Sep 05 04:37:42 I use that as a stand Sep 05 04:38:11 keeps your device fully charged. Easy to grab and take with you. I set Exhibition mode to show my daily agenda Sep 05 04:41:03 I've got a 16Ah battery with me. I keep my touchstone, 2 phones and a mobile hotspot plugged in to it. That way I only charge one thing at night. Sep 05 04:44:50 hmm Sep 05 04:45:12 so definite keyboad Sep 05 04:45:22 zaggshield worth it? Sep 05 05:39:47 yay non-US promo codes! http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/09/good-things-like-promo-codes-come-to-those-who-wait.html Sep 05 05:48:56 probably already taken Sep 05 05:53:55 yeeehaaa Sep 05 05:54:04 my touchpad arrived Sep 05 05:54:21 cant wait end of workday to start tinkering with it Sep 05 05:54:24 hey all Sep 05 05:54:48 PatrickC_TP: howdy Sep 05 05:55:10 tabasko: touchpad I assume? :) Sep 05 05:55:24 yeah, arrived today :) Sep 05 05:55:36 :) Sep 05 05:55:40 you'll love it Sep 05 05:55:50 * PatrickC_TP had to have a chat with HP today Sep 05 05:56:03 dundun... Sep 05 05:56:15 well, my touchpad won't charge on the touchstone anymore Sep 05 05:56:24 but the other touchpads charge fine Sep 05 05:56:25 I falled in love with webos when trying out emulator, I hope its as good with real hardware Sep 05 05:56:37 tabasko: just slower Sep 05 05:56:42 tabasko: its better imo Sep 05 05:56:48 rwhitby: time to overclock :P Sep 05 05:56:51 morning rwhitby Sep 05 05:56:57 tabasko: yep :) Sep 05 05:57:08 1.8GHz seems to be a good speed Sep 05 05:57:37 my TP will be couch potato, but how much 1.8GHz affects on battery? Sep 05 05:57:55 it hasn't affected mine too much Sep 05 05:59:19 it only goes at top speed when it needs to Sep 05 06:05:33 heh going full tilt with no workload would just be a waste of power Sep 05 06:06:02 and isn't only one core used unless two are needed also? Sep 05 06:06:16 yes Sep 05 06:06:46 Caleb: No, they're not. Sep 05 06:06:51 Caleb: I just got mine Sep 05 06:07:04 my tp has a dead pixel :o Sep 05 06:07:12 :( Sep 05 06:08:18 does any know of any app that would let me add emails to calendars? Sep 05 06:08:34 youp: emails to calendars? Sep 05 06:08:43 i mean single emails Sep 05 06:08:49 not the whole account naturally Sep 05 06:09:41 oh, when you set up the account, only select the "Calendars" option Sep 05 06:09:44 i just want to reference an email on a given day kind of stuff, not so crazy concept :) you can do that in thunderbird and outlooks Sep 05 06:09:47 The amount of touchpads on e-bay seem to be getting less and less each day, might have to buy 1 soon before they run out :( Sep 05 06:10:14 youp: oh.. no clue Sep 05 06:10:15 sorry Sep 05 06:10:23 no prob thanks Sep 05 06:11:24 * PatrickC_TP wanted to get some coding done, but just got done spending time with the fam.. Sep 05 06:11:32 I guess I'll have to get it done later today :) Sep 05 06:11:52 if you write email to calendar app I will buy it :) Sep 05 06:12:25 youp: sorry, already have like 3 apps I'm doing :) Sep 05 06:12:45 PatrickC_TP! Sep 05 06:12:51 * PatrickC_TP hides Sep 05 06:13:55 akanster: what's going on? :) Sep 05 06:14:48 not much, enjoying the 3 day weekend Sep 05 06:15:15 cool Sep 05 06:15:25 * PatrickC_TP has school tomorrow :/ Sep 05 06:15:30 does anyone know if mots_ did get his/her touchpad? :) Sep 05 06:15:55 he/she did have pretty nice looking xbmc remote going Sep 05 06:18:39 wow.. the official box.net app is no where near as nice as the third-party one Sep 05 06:18:54 third-party has a ton more features Sep 05 06:22:25 you guys are going to get the first public teaser of my app! Sep 05 06:22:55 https://www.box.net/shared/90507ub1qhogbbvnqehz :) Sep 05 06:23:20 Hrm, app? Sep 05 06:23:29 see screenshot Sep 05 06:25:14 awesome Sep 05 06:25:29 the beta is closed, unless you are willing to contribute to the building of it. its open source (not on github yet) Sep 05 06:25:35 rwhitby: really? thanks Sep 05 06:27:17 Please make it Pre3 compatible... tempted to go back to my Pre- until more apps become available =P Sep 05 06:27:49 haydn: working on it, its enyo.. does the pre3 ship with enyo? Sep 05 06:28:02 first, touchpad, then phones Sep 05 06:29:46 PatrickC_TP: webosdoctorp220mantawr\resources\webOS\nova-cust-image-mantaray.rootfs\usr\palm\frameworks\enyo in my extracted version of pre3 doctor, yeah Sep 05 06:30:00 festival: cool Sep 05 06:30:03 do you have a pre3? Sep 05 06:30:13 not yet, no Sep 05 06:30:21 ahw Sep 05 06:30:35 as wondering if it had a more updated version of Enyo that worked better on phones Sep 05 06:31:40 not sure, why do you think enyo on TP wouldn't work well on phones? Sep 05 06:32:03 because it doesn't? Sep 05 06:32:10 I've ran it on my phone since it came out Sep 05 06:32:24 ahhh Sep 05 06:32:32 there are a ton of bugs Sep 05 06:32:36 hi patrick :) Sep 05 06:32:54 like, I have a fix so that I can use scrollers/swipe-to-delete.. but its not in the release version of enyo Sep 05 06:33:02 her EricBlade Sep 05 06:33:10 I haven't had much time to mess with the app. sorry Sep 05 06:33:14 for anyone, seeking advice on what type of thing to use here.. i want to press a button, and have a window pop up with a bunch of information in it. Needs to be able to contain a potentially large scrolling list. "Popup" doesn't seem to be well suited for this Sep 05 06:35:54 * PatrickC_TP yawns Sep 05 06:36:04 its 130am here.. I'm off to bed.. school tomorrow :/ Sep 05 06:36:05 night all Sep 05 06:37:25 what i don't want to do is open a whole seperate card Sep 05 06:38:04 hmm.. look at Spaz HD and Nomnomnom (both open source) they have a preference popup that scrolls Sep 05 06:40:48 box now has a free desktop app???? O_o Sep 05 06:42:01 for enterprise customers they do have Sep 05 06:43:33 no Sep 05 06:43:36 for free no Sep 05 06:43:37 now* Sep 05 06:43:38 for all Sep 05 06:43:50 http://box.net/simpleshare IIRC Sep 05 06:46:53 hybrid apps are officially supported by palm, correct? Sep 05 06:47:08 hey Matbee_ get the latest beta? Sep 05 06:52:03 hehe, didnt wait for end of day. This is awesome Sep 05 06:52:15 just downloading firmware update Sep 05 06:52:44 I tried to accesss app catalog with old firmware and it did give me error disk01010 etc :s Sep 05 06:56:43 hmm. how to get the view size ? Sep 05 08:02:09 Note to self, Need for Speed on TouchPad is really quite enjoyable. Sep 05 08:05:54 I wish I still lived in the bay area. Couldve gotten a deal at the hp store Sep 05 08:10:04 Hendikins: which NfS? The "old" hot pursuit runs fine here, but NFSU is kinda broken for me :( Sep 05 08:10:12 hi, is there a way to have simulator running with webOS 1.4.5? Sep 05 08:10:52 PatrickBregman: The "old" Hot Pursuit. Sep 05 08:35:33 any idea how I could buy webos apps? Im living in scandinavia. Using proxys or something? Sep 05 08:41:39 tabasko: wherE? Sep 05 08:41:51 hotdp: finland Sep 05 08:41:57 oki :) Sep 05 08:42:09 or at least, I would like install kindle app, but cant see it :/ Sep 05 08:42:15 *find it Sep 05 08:42:26 on TP ? Sep 05 08:42:30 yeah Sep 05 08:42:42 what country did you choose the first time? Sep 05 08:42:51 finland :/ Sep 05 08:42:55 bummer Sep 05 08:42:59 should have been usa Sep 05 08:43:05 so now Im locked in finland? Sep 05 08:43:10 yer Sep 05 08:43:22 what if I reset whole device? Sep 05 08:43:30 if some homebrew stuff can help i don't know Sep 05 08:43:35 nothing helps Sep 05 08:43:48 reset does not help Sep 05 08:43:58 but if some homebrew helps i dont know Sep 05 08:46:06 tabasko: look into impersonator homebrew or something like that. You do have to make a new account set to the USA though :( Sep 05 08:46:20 maybe you can login to your account online and change your country? Sep 05 08:46:31 Ill check that Sep 05 08:46:55 PatrickBregman: i am kind of sure that you can not change it Sep 05 08:47:17 I read that somewhere online... I may be wrong ofcourse Sep 05 08:48:08 PatrickBregman: impersonator is not in preware catalog? Sep 05 08:49:12 tabasko: take a look at this: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/234045-change-palm-profile-but-keep-patchs-preware.html Sep 05 08:49:35 otherwise, I have no clue :( Sep 05 08:54:21 PatrickBregman: thank you, still. I didnt find that patch :/ Sep 05 08:54:48 I should have thinked before just clicking my country when app catalog asked Sep 05 08:54:59 I just thinked I can change it still somewhere :P Sep 05 08:57:02 <{DV8}> Ìû Sep 05 09:03:08 yeaah, I foind kindle ipk Sep 05 09:03:26 its beta tought, but main thing that I can now read my books with TP :) Sep 05 09:04:27 doesn't tp come with kindle? Sep 05 09:04:33 in USA yes Sep 05 09:04:34 not mine :/ Sep 05 09:04:43 I ordered this thing from UK Sep 05 09:04:43 oh Sep 05 09:04:46 ok Sep 05 09:05:40 I didn't think there were multiple doctors per country Sep 05 09:08:56 odd thing is, I dont even see paid applications Sep 05 09:08:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYtSR1CNhw Sep 05 09:09:28 this guy from russia seems to see them still Sep 05 09:12:57 tabasko: where did you find it? Sep 05 09:13:06 the Kindle ipk, that is :) Sep 05 09:13:16 PatrickBregman: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6W2L9R12 Sep 05 09:13:18 here :) Sep 05 09:13:24 tnx :) gotta install them all :D Sep 05 09:13:36 no problem :) Sep 05 09:13:53 I installed via palm-installer USBm but maybe there is another options too Sep 05 09:14:50 I have webOS Quick Install laying around somewhere Sep 05 09:14:55 it worked before :3 Sep 05 09:22:21 nice :) Sep 05 09:26:16 hmm, what if I just erase backup, restore TP and try change my location again Sep 05 09:37:31 Running any PDK app on TP speeds up Exhibition apps... :-\ Sep 05 09:41:05 thanks tabasko, it worked :) Sep 05 09:45:00 anyone know if it's possible for an enyo app to download a file, store it somewhere, and then call another app to do something with it? Sep 05 09:45:24 and/or reference it directly Sep 05 10:07:49 store it in /media/internal Sep 05 10:12:20 how to store it ?:) Sep 05 10:12:38 i only know so far how to do database stuff Sep 05 10:12:44 as far as storage goes Sep 05 10:16:43 i only see a way in the api reference to store images Sep 05 10:30:30 Hello folks Sep 05 10:30:51 is there any way to get css fixed positioning to not suck on the webos browser? Sep 05 10:38:56 dammit, even the main web browser can't make it stream media from https Sep 05 10:41:02 crap i guess i need to write my own service to go and get files . meh. Sep 05 10:42:14 unless i can call the browser somehow and tell it to save a file rather than attempt to play it Sep 05 11:09:10 does setting the mime type not work? Sep 05 11:11:54 apparently even thru the browser, all file transfers go through the download service thing, which screws everything up pretty much Sep 05 11:12:11 there are a number of http control headers that pertain to file downloading Sep 05 11:12:18 http://www.ryboe.com/tutorials/php-headers-force-download Sep 05 11:13:59 so far i've managed to find a hack around every single limitation the os has presented me wrt accessing google voice, but if there's -no- way to download arbitrary data with the correct access tokens, then that last feature is just screwed. Sep 05 11:16:03 what do you mean correct access tokens? Sep 05 11:16:21 cookie values? Sep 05 11:17:30 the google auth token. i read a message a few days ago, that implied that any app that was trying to download files from secure services was basically screwed on webos Sep 05 11:21:07 i don't know the technical details behind it **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 05 11:28:15 2011 Sep 05 11:48:14 hello, i was trying the filterlist in emulator. as i was testing i didn't see any filter icon in the command menu area. is it because i am using the emulator or is it because i didn't add the button to the command menu? Right now when i type something in the keyboard, the filter field pops up. (i don't have an original device with me now) Sep 05 11:58:45 please help Sep 05 12:01:46 hello, anyone? Sep 05 12:30:04 Hi all Sep 05 12:33:06 hello Sep 05 12:33:20 do you know how to explicitly call the filterlist ? Sep 05 12:33:59 i want to show the filter field when one touches the search icon in the command menu Sep 05 12:36:52 hi Sep 05 12:38:03 ah, sorry guys I've been out of the webOS dev loop for a bit. So I can't help you Sep 05 12:40:45 hello anyone know how to do this? Sep 05 13:13:44 this.controller.get("filterFieldId").mojo.open() Sep 05 13:13:46 something like that... Sep 05 13:13:55 look at the documentation. Sep 05 13:31:18 thanks Tibfib_ that worked. thanks a lot Sep 05 13:31:46 np Sep 05 13:40:45 how do i get the orientation of the device in pdl? i can PDL_SetOrientation but how do i get it Sep 05 13:41:21 Tibfib_: if the filterlist is not opened with a command menu button, how else can we invoke it? is there any hardware button in webos devices to show the keyboard? because in simulator the keyboard pops up when i start typing. Sep 05 13:42:10 are you talking about the touchpad or phones/ Sep 05 13:42:11 ? Sep 05 13:43:16 both. the ones with resolution 320*480 and 1024 * 768 Sep 05 13:43:42 pixi already got one keyboard Sep 05 13:44:29 thisisit: in your appinfo.json, is your app uiRevision 2? Sep 05 13:45:35 i use both. Sep 05 13:45:51 hmmmmm? Sep 05 13:46:57 I gotta go. Sep 05 13:47:03 ok Sep 05 13:47:13 but basically if you are uiRevsion 2, there is no way for the user to invoke the keyboard Sep 05 13:47:20 you have to provide a button for the user to do so Sep 05 13:47:31 oh ok. Sep 05 13:47:32 if you are uiRevision 1, then there's a keyboard button Sep 05 13:47:43 bbl Sep 05 13:47:47 keyboard button in the screen? Sep 05 13:47:54 or is it a hardware button? Sep 05 13:48:08 Tibfib_ Sep 05 13:50:27 i presume it is a hardware button. because i don't see any menu icon in the screen. Sep 05 13:54:52 if you have a mojo app. and it's not using uiRevision 2, a keyboard button appears on the screen automatically Sep 05 14:06:54 fxspec06: hmm, you guys were talking about the webos 3.0 simulator. i was asking about the original device Sep 05 14:09:11 same on the original device dude................. Sep 05 14:10:56 i didn't mean a uiRevision : 1 app running in touchpad. i was asking about running an app in phones, and whether there is a button to pop up the keyboard while using the filter field Sep 05 14:12:14 what keyboard? the only keyboard on phones is the physical keyboard Sep 05 14:12:46 oh that's it. i was asking that. Sep 05 14:12:48 thanks Sep 05 14:20:36 can you connect ps3 dualshock to touchpad? Sep 05 14:30:39 does ipad sleeves go well with touchpad? :)= Sep 05 14:32:24 They're almost exactly the same size, so I'd say so Sep 05 14:38:08 I'm usuing a iPad CVS case its a lil tight as the tp is thicker but its nice Sep 05 14:41:07 aha, I knew I recognized your name khaytsus Sep 05 14:41:20 ipad2 doesnt fit the bill though Sep 05 14:50:10 klausa: Here? Sep 05 14:50:45 * gokr getting closer to accessing US paid apps... Sep 05 14:52:59 In case anyone wonder - yes, you can erase your TP, create a new profile, pick a new country (like US) and off you go. The only problem is getting a credit card with a US billing address to use. I am trying usunlocked.com, will see if it works. Sep 05 14:53:07 gokr: I did today get my TP, and dummy me put finland as country for app catalog :( Sep 05 14:53:22 No problem - as I just wrote :) Sep 05 14:53:23 rwhitby: ing? Sep 05 14:53:27 ping Sep 05 14:53:28 gokr, okay :D Sep 05 14:53:55 You go into.... eh, "Device info" I think it is called - pick the erase (the one at the top - erasing only apps and their data). Sep 05 14:54:08 That will start it all over - then pick English and US. Sep 05 14:54:19 And of course you create a new profile for that. Sep 05 14:54:24 gokr, I will try that Sep 05 14:54:38 Anyway, so now I have much more free apps - and I have the Pivot magazine (nice) etc. Sep 05 14:55:23 Only thing left is finding a credit card with billing address in US (that is needed) - first I was trying to get one using Webmoney etc etc, but it will get costly and getting Webmoney was not easy. Sep 05 14:56:08 So www.usunlocked.com is what I am trying out, will report back if I get it to work. But I think someone wrote in the forum and reported that it does work. Sep 05 14:56:48 tabasko: You got a wifi only TP, right? Sep 05 14:56:57 gokr: yeah Sep 05 14:56:59 And btw, from where did you manage to buy it? Sep 05 14:57:11 gokr: ebay, UK :) Sep 05 14:57:27 I ordered before HP announcement, so I paid too much Sep 05 14:57:29 Ah. I got mine when I visited Edinburgh during the firesale. Sep 05 14:57:37 ouch, how much? Sep 05 14:57:46 I paid 250 punds :P Sep 05 14:57:48 I got away with 115 pouds.n Sep 05 14:57:51 pounds. Sep 05 14:57:59 (32 Gb) Sep 05 14:58:06 damn Im stupid, but whatever, I didnt see that coming :P Sep 05 14:58:11 16Gb :D Sep 05 14:58:19 tabasko: But I think you can get money back. Sep 05 14:58:27 Not sure about details though. Sep 05 14:58:44 Eh,oh. Ebay. Nah. Sep 05 14:58:48 gokr: hmm, that might be hard Sep 05 14:58:51 yeah Sep 05 14:58:57 But hey, cheer up - it is a collectors item soon! :) Sep 05 14:59:13 it was company called digigood, which is just selling new products on ebay Sep 05 14:59:40 i should get my touchpad this week Sep 05 14:59:48 gokr: yeah, it hurts to think I would have get one for my gf with this price, but this is really neat device Sep 05 14:59:53 I also had two confirmed from Amazon uk for 89 a piece - but those darn bastards just deleted my orders. Sep 05 15:00:02 and people are starting to install ubuntu's and androids on these, so Sep 05 15:00:12 imagine that, gokr Sep 05 15:00:13 lol Sep 05 15:00:26 gokr: you should demand gift card or something for that! Sep 05 15:00:44 its not right just sell air and raise emprty hopes :) Sep 05 15:00:58 Yeah, well - they just wrote that "Sorry, we just realized we are not going to get anymore in stock so ... touch luck" :) kinda. Sep 05 15:01:06 tough. Sep 05 15:01:15 they're free to cancel your order any time they want lol Sep 05 15:01:47 gokr: btw, remember about keyboard layout changing? Sep 05 15:01:58 there is pretty interesting article in webosinternals Sep 05 15:02:04 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Changing_keyboard_layout_on_Touchpad Sep 05 15:02:06 Mmmm, I did google about that - but haven't gotten around trying to fix anything. Sep 05 15:02:10 Oooh.... Sep 05 15:02:18 havent checked it out yet, because Im still in work :) Sep 05 15:02:48 Oh, brutal. Nice! Sep 05 15:02:49 Does anyone have experience with managing in-app items here? Sep 05 15:03:27 tabasko: I am playing with www.jtalk-project.org - writing webOS apps in Smalltalk. Sep 05 15:03:29 seems like keyboard layout changing is possible, but really needs som e tinkering Sep 05 15:04:13 Oh, slick: "Just finished patching script that is run on a TouchPad, generates needed layout from JSON file and then patches LunaSysMgr on the fly." Sep 05 15:04:39 Neat :P Sep 05 15:05:03 Btw... terminal app for TP? Sep 05 15:05:19 I just googled about that :P Sep 05 15:05:40 preware should have app called terminus, but I dont have tried it yet Sep 05 15:06:30 Terminus doesn't work on the TP as far as I know. Sep 05 15:06:39 you'll want to run xecutah, xserver and xterm Sep 05 15:06:47 Kaerey: what about SDLTerminal Sep 05 15:07:18 I haven't tried that one yet. is it updated for the touchpad? Sep 05 15:07:41 * gokr dinner... Sep 05 15:08:02 I've been playing around with the UbuntuChroot for the most part. Sep 05 15:08:47 I got gnome running last night before the device stopped rebooting Sep 05 15:08:50 hmm, seems like xserver method is only one for now Sep 05 15:09:32 Kaerey: wow, did ubuntu+gnome run well? Sep 05 15:09:50 except for the launcher on the left side wouldn't autohide Sep 05 15:10:02 so full screen windows were covered up on the left side Sep 05 15:10:46 and the libgtkstylus trick to get right click didn't work Sep 05 15:10:48 If I remember, ubuntu dock uses compiz which needs acceleration from graphics card Sep 05 15:10:56 its no wonder if it doesnt work Sep 05 15:11:08 there is also unity 2d, maybe it works better Sep 05 15:11:18 yeah I'm going to try that today. Sep 05 15:11:59 I starteded with the autosetup of ubunutu available in the precentral webos development forums, installed netbook-launcher-efl on top of it, then edited the autostart script to not autostart lxde Sep 05 15:12:26 once into netbook-launcher-efl, I installed ubuntu-netbook and could run gnome-session after that Sep 05 15:12:52 I should have tried. gnome-session --session=unity-2d but it stopped working before I got that far Sep 05 15:18:47 How can I make the default choice of a radio group be selected? Sep 05 15:29:06 is there a replacement for PDL_GetCallingPath or do I need to do something specific to get the cwd set to the app path? Sep 05 15:29:18 running test code via novacom atm Sep 05 15:35:32 what is the offset and count in filterFunction? filterlist? Sep 05 15:41:21 hello anyone.. Sep 05 15:46:40 hi Sep 05 15:47:15 hi Sep 05 15:48:49 anyone know what is offset and count in filterlist filterFunction Sep 05 15:48:51 ? Sep 05 15:50:47 so i havent been keeping up, if i import a pre3 to the US, will it work? Sep 05 15:54:57 It'd always work Sep 05 15:55:03 thisisit: this help any? http://www.webos101.com/FilterList Sep 05 15:55:04 You mean 3G? Depends on what your carrier is. Sep 05 15:55:26 You might get EDGE data if the frequencies don't match your particular carrier. Sep 05 15:55:28 i mean app store Sep 05 15:57:32 App store will be US if it hasn't been activated abroad yet - or it can be changed if the person who activated it used impostah I believe. If they activated it without impostah it'll be their countries app store Sep 05 15:58:38 * haydn has an un-activated pre3 sitting next to me :) Sep 05 15:59:44 and an activated 1 which has just run out of battery.... doh! Sep 05 16:04:10 WinterMute: not really Sep 05 16:29:38 hello, i have a big list to show. around 500k rows. i was thinking about the sqlite, but i found that webos don't support database which is already created before the first run. so i am considering storing the whole data as javascript array or json. any other idea to speed up? what about converting the json to sqlite database before the first run? please help if anyone worked around the same problem Sep 05 16:32:54 guys? Sep 05 16:35:54 is the wirc client in the catalog the same as the version in preware Sep 05 16:36:05 no Sep 05 16:36:18 for now, the wirc client in the catalog doesn't support SSL Sep 05 16:36:47 the one in preware doesn't donate money to/support the authors Sep 05 16:36:49 When is late summer ending? Sep 05 16:36:52 does it solve the scrolling issues Sep 05 16:37:46 no Sep 05 16:59:12 I see Sep 05 17:01:16 hey dwc- Sep 05 17:01:48 don't think it's worth your time for me personally to get the veer considering unlocking cost Sep 05 17:01:55 it'll be the same as buying off ebay / amazon Sep 05 17:02:17 since i dont use att Sep 05 17:17:30 hmm Sep 05 17:17:36 anyone use this as a keyboard? Sep 05 17:17:36 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109237 Sep 05 17:17:40 for touchpad Sep 05 17:23:05 asphalt 6 takes forever to install Sep 05 17:24:06 if you have a laptop why would you use the tp with a keyboard over it ? Sep 05 17:24:34 i heard it is almost 1gig Sep 05 17:41:15 asphault 6 is 1 gig uncompressed Sep 05 17:41:23 only about 500mb downloadedish Sep 05 17:50:27 app store tells me my profile is inactive? it worked yesterday w paid apps and everything. anyone else got the same issue atm? Sep 05 17:59:42 wow walmart took down all touchpad on website Sep 05 18:02:17 took down? Sep 05 18:02:31 ya. it was there last week. now it's not there. Sep 05 18:02:47 in recently viewed items list, it's there... i click and page unavailable Sep 05 18:02:57 makes sense Sep 05 18:03:02 they don't want it :D Sep 05 18:43:40 hey all Sep 05 18:43:53 yo PatrickC Sep 05 18:43:59 hey Sep 05 18:44:04 like the UI now in Your Radio? Sep 05 18:44:35 yay but i need some streaming from my music collection ;) Sep 05 18:44:54 UPnP Sep 05 18:45:24 heh Sep 05 18:45:32 that's coming (maybe) :) Sep 05 18:47:05 * PatrickC wonders why wubi doesn't work... Sep 05 18:47:16 in #ubuntu.. hopefully I'll get it fixed lol Sep 05 18:50:11 wow.. 1600 users in 1 channel is too many lol Sep 05 18:53:27 my dog just dragged my new touchpad off my desk... it fell about 3-4 feet. seems perfectly fine though knock on wood :O Sep 05 18:53:36 lol Sep 05 18:53:42 hotdp: can't you use BHome or DLNA AC player (or whatever it's called) Sep 05 18:53:48 Hi Patrick Sep 05 18:53:54 hey Sep 05 18:54:41 *AV Sep 05 18:54:47 haydnh: he's giving me feedback on my app :) Sep 05 18:57:23 haydnh: I have looked at it Sep 05 18:57:41 I don't think they are so good, also i would like it to have radio stations Sep 05 18:57:54 so its the ultimate music app :D all my music and all radio Sep 05 18:58:01 hotdp: do you know how to access/use UPnP? Sep 05 18:58:14 if you do, we can collaborate on it :) Sep 05 18:59:47 * PatrickC ponders if he should just give up and post the source on github... and stop keeping it *super* private... Sep 05 19:01:30 I have Platinum DLNA SDK (what xbmc uses) cross compiled and running on my Pre3 already, need to license it or release your software as FOSS though Sep 05 19:02:04 I don't want to do FOSS though Sep 05 19:02:18 it'll be OSS, but it'll be pay-for in the app at Sep 05 19:02:20 cap* Sep 05 19:02:23 cat** Sep 05 19:06:15 Oooooh just seen a TP on ebay that's 8 miles from me and reasonably priced... 30 mins left and 0 bids... *crosses fingers* Sep 05 19:14:21 haydnh: good luck bidding :) Sep 05 19:14:27 night all Sep 05 19:18:25 I wish there was more tutorials >.> Sep 05 19:18:46 when i save an attachment in an email, where does it save? Sep 05 19:19:44 /media internal I think, let me check Sep 05 19:19:47 it is not saved in downloads Sep 05 19:20:47 i do not see them there either Sep 05 19:21:06 I just downloaded an attachment on the Pre3 and it goes to /media/internal/downloads Sep 05 19:21:07 i copied my vpn keys from an email, and i do not see them there :( Sep 05 19:21:29 they don't start with a "." do they? Sep 05 19:21:33 no Sep 05 19:21:38 i am using internalz Sep 05 19:21:44 and hidden ffiles are on Sep 05 19:22:04 *shrug* Sep 05 19:22:58 man this thing is soemtimes confusing, nothing is saved in where I expect :( Sep 05 19:23:50 youp: in /var/file-cache iirc Sep 05 19:24:08 youp: what device? Sep 05 19:24:14 touchpad Sep 05 19:24:53 and what file extention? Sep 05 19:25:08 crt or key Sep 05 19:25:54 file cache files are scrambled names :9 Sep 05 19:26:12 yeah Sep 05 19:26:24 there is a patch for phones to save to /media/internals/downloads Sep 05 19:26:31 but not the touchpad yet Sep 05 19:26:38 open it w/ internalz Sep 05 19:26:49 and click on "copy Ro user storage" in the appmenu Sep 05 19:27:53 to* Sep 05 19:28:08 thanks, Sep 05 19:28:24 i hate the way it handles where shit has to go :( Sep 05 19:28:59 yeah Sep 05 19:29:01 now have to go through the dropbox method Sep 05 19:29:11 not very secure Sep 05 19:29:11 hoping the patch comes soon Sep 05 19:29:35 hoe so, thanks Sep 05 19:32:00 twbbas, summatus-, Tibfib_, NuttyBunny, and any other beta testers: git/svn? Sep 05 19:32:04 private repo Sep 05 19:33:01 ok great, now i cannot find where dropbox folder is :( Sep 05 19:33:13 in the downloads folder Sep 05 19:33:30 no it is not there Sep 05 19:33:54 when i browse dropbox with documents, i see my dropbox folders Sep 05 19:34:02 internalz cannot see those under downloads Sep 05 19:34:06 i do not get it Sep 05 19:34:07 oh Sep 05 19:34:18 you are trying to use the quickoffice thing? Sep 05 19:34:19 Stupid ebay! signed me out with 10 seconds left on the auction... Sep 05 19:34:53 i am connected via novacom putty , and it is not listed via the proxy session Sep 05 19:35:11 that's out of my league... Sep 05 19:35:20 #webos-internals might be able to help Sep 05 19:36:19 thanks Sep 05 19:38:41 youp: try use the find command to find it. If the folder is called "dropbox" and you want to search the whole fs: Sep 05 19:38:50 cd / Sep 05 19:38:55 find . -type d -name dropbox Sep 05 19:39:14 the folder name is case sensitive on the search Sep 05 19:39:31 yeah i should try that thanks Sep 05 19:42:43 i finally managed to copy my ciles to .vpn via boxnet, kind of ridiculous that i had to go through cloud to get to the touch pad that is 10 cm away from me :( Sep 05 19:43:41 surely if you saved the attachment from e-mail you could have done the same find as above but on the file (find . -type f -name ) Sep 05 19:43:42 it's probably faster that way anyway Sep 05 19:43:44 i wish bluetooth worked like other bt devices, not sure i tried to use for sharing files but it does not work Sep 05 19:44:32 Why not just plug it in via usb and copy the files? Sep 05 19:44:45 or you could scp Sep 05 19:44:55 ssh is not working for some reason :( Sep 05 19:45:18 i have couple ssh servers at home here and i cannot ssh to any of them, cannot even find the ip Sep 05 19:45:48 when i use it under xterm on touchpad it gives me segfault Sep 05 19:46:19 i mean ssh command Sep 05 19:48:08 i have ssh installed, i use novaproxy to root the device then I fire "ssh myname@myserver" on putty terminal, it says connection times out. i wonder if anyone does it the way i am trying to do on the tablet Sep 05 20:17:53 hmmph, the ssh server on my touch pad isn't running Sep 05 20:18:13 uh will veer ever support enyo apps? Sep 05 20:33:53 ok, i think this app is just about -done- done. just need to re-write two bits of the interface. i'm having a really hard time deciding what i want to do with one of those bits, though Sep 05 20:34:46 does it support calling? Sep 05 20:35:29 only thing that i'm aware of that it doesn't support is listening to voicemails, because i can't come up with -any- way to get around having to pass it through the download manager, which can't download from https Sep 05 20:35:51 so, yes, it does calling. also no way to edit contacts from the app, haven't figured out an api for that Sep 05 20:38:11 i'm going to try to figure out if i can download the voicemail files thru node.js somehow, but if that turns out to be a bust, then i'm pretty limited. My C and C++ skills are about 22 years rusty. Sep 05 20:38:39 22 years is a long time Sep 05 20:38:41 man Sep 05 20:38:49 make me feel old why don't you Sep 05 20:38:57 * PatrickC isn't even that old hahaha Sep 05 20:39:32 use of enyo.scrim should be banned Sep 05 20:39:39 why? Sep 05 20:39:44 is there an alternative to PDL_GetCallingPath? Sep 05 20:40:01 it's a horrible UI design imo Sep 05 20:40:20 * WinterMute was just playing with the PDK examples & one of them uses PDL_GetCallingPath which I see is marked as deprecated & always returns ./ Sep 05 20:40:30 if a connection is slow or on it's way to time-out user is locked out... Sep 05 20:40:46 * PatrickC was thinking of using a scrim... Sep 05 20:40:48 testing code run via novacom obviously doesn't set the path Sep 05 20:41:24 i think it's useful for really specific things, like loading local files? Sep 05 20:41:44 or logging into a service so I user can't interrupt the login Sep 05 20:41:52 s/i/the/ Sep 05 20:42:06 how would they interrupt it Sep 05 20:42:26 network connections would be a bad place to scrim in my opinion Sep 05 20:42:48 any operation that takes time should be able to be cancelled Sep 05 20:43:01 plov: interrupt it like, clicking another button, re-entering text into a field, etc. Sep 05 20:43:06 EricBlade: it doesn't take long Sep 05 20:43:37 well that accuweather app, scrims everytime you change location, because it gets update data Sep 05 20:43:47 err data for the new location Sep 05 20:43:49 join touchpad Sep 05 20:43:53 ups ;) Sep 05 20:44:09 when the accuweather app works right, it's great. but it doesn't always work right Sep 05 20:44:11 honestly, that's really annoying to me, it should present old data or no data, and update when it gets it not black out the entire app till it does Sep 05 20:44:45 any torrent apps Sep 05 20:44:47 yeah if you bring it up after it's loaded something, but you don't have a connection now, it will just blank everything, and give you the "No network connection" error. Sep 05 20:45:05 blizz5243: not afaik Sep 05 20:45:20 apps that force reload themselves when they get focus drive me -nuts-. i get it all the time on my iPod too Sep 05 20:45:45 the webos browser does it too. makes it impossible to load data for later review offline Sep 05 20:45:51 yeah I hate that Sep 05 20:45:57 yeah Sep 05 20:46:01 good thing there's an offline browser Sep 05 20:46:08 who wants to build a browser??? Sep 05 20:46:11 any takers? :) Sep 05 20:46:13 dude Sep 05 20:46:16 i want Opera to build a browser Sep 05 20:46:18 ditto on someone making a better browser Sep 05 20:46:54 I want firefox to build it Sep 05 20:46:58 or Chrome Sep 05 20:47:09 webos has been getting on my nerves, it's so unintuitive and slow the more i use it Sep 05 20:47:22 I quite like it Sep 05 20:47:33 patrickC: what kind of browser Sep 05 20:47:57 and the browser on the touchpad doesn't seem to reload when it gets focus Sep 05 20:48:02 i'm starting to feel the performance of javascript as being not fast enough Sep 05 20:48:11 hmm. i need to figure out what's going on with my app's icons. The dashboard icon is showing up as just a default moon-icon on my device, but it works fine on my gf's .. and i don't know how to set the icon for the app itself. Sep 05 20:48:16 riskish: a new webos browser Sep 05 20:48:27 like a downloadble webos app? Sep 05 20:48:31 yeah Sep 05 20:48:38 like Universe or Advanced Browser Sep 05 20:48:45 but, free or Open Source :) Sep 05 20:48:52 wintermute: load a page, do something else for a while, shut off the internet connection, then refocus the browser. blank screen, "No Network Connection." Sep 05 20:51:36 bbl Sep 05 20:51:49 ping me if needed, I'll check back occasionally :) Sep 05 20:56:09 great.. "USB connection failed. Please toss away all cards and try again." Sep 05 20:56:19 I got that Sep 05 20:56:28 i have no cards Sep 05 20:56:33 reboot iirc Sep 05 20:56:37 and the computer is saying "Please insert disk in drive H" Sep 05 20:57:27 the power button isnt working either Sep 05 20:58:23 i wonder if HP really wonders why their system didn't take off Sep 05 20:58:32 luna manager won't run either Sep 05 20:58:53 everything else is working fine, except for power button and usb Sep 05 21:12:16 QUESTION TIME :) who would be interested in a third-party gmail app? Sep 05 21:13:45 why aren't more apps written using the pdk? they perform so much better Sep 05 21:14:43 because, web apps are easier to write Sep 05 21:15:10 i'd be interested in a lot of additional features in the stock email app Sep 05 21:15:29 EricBlade: I'm talking about a full email app made by a third party Sep 05 21:15:34 here's near current progress on my voice app.. http://www.ericbla.de/gva3.jpg Sep 05 21:15:37 I found Gmail's api Sep 05 21:16:04 looks a lot nicer :) Sep 05 21:21:52 * dawm__ downloads 3.0sdk Sep 05 21:24:21 oh nice, i did make the graphics uber huge ;P Sep 05 21:25:35 341x341 blocks ;P Sep 05 21:25:50 is there a way to right align a button in a toolbar? icons work, but buttons dont (enyo") Sep 05 21:26:09 align: "right" works for a kind: "Icon", but not kind: "Button" Sep 05 21:27:14 anyone good with jquery here? Sep 05 21:27:27 EricBlade but your app does look good Sep 05 21:27:30 id use it Sep 05 21:28:08 link? Sep 05 21:28:28 ah cool. I see it Sep 05 21:28:30 well, thank you. i of course patterned it after all the other two-pane apps out there. i'd like to make that Overview look better, but I just can't decide what i want to do with it. Sep 05 21:28:39 EricBlade: what is it coded in? Sep 05 21:28:48 javascript Sep 05 21:29:40 when do you expect to release it Sep 05 21:30:19 i was hoping to get it into review this weekend, but maybe this week sometime soon i hope. Sep 05 21:30:38 awesome Sep 05 21:36:50 * NuttyBunny looks through the room at Adora.... com.nuttybunny.photofun ? :) Sep 05 21:37:35 that won't ping her Sep 05 21:37:37 this will Sep 05 21:37:45 Adora: please????? :) Sep 05 21:37:51 im really happy my dell monitor rotates, it makes it real easy to use the emulator in tablet resolution in portrait mode Sep 05 21:38:04 no head tilt :D Sep 05 21:38:59 PatrickC, where in the hell were you when the east coast got the hurricane Sep 05 21:39:04 you wre gone for like 4 days Sep 05 21:39:18 umm.. I'm not on the east coast haha Sep 05 21:39:23 I'm in Tennessee Sep 05 21:39:29 and I was? Sep 05 21:39:30 yeah well where were you Sep 05 21:39:39 I was *in* tennessee Sep 05 21:39:59 did you get a life for a brief moment? Sep 05 21:40:11 maybe lol Sep 05 21:40:38 youre lucky i remembered to tell you that ailium worked well on the TP Sep 05 21:40:44 for 4 days i waited for you to join.. Sep 05 21:40:46 4 DAYS! Sep 05 21:41:20 * PatrickC hangs head Sep 05 21:41:25 well, where's my beta? Sep 05 21:41:40 you already had the most current ;p Sep 05 21:41:47 im installing 3.0, 2.1 and 1.4.5 again Sep 05 21:42:06 ah Sep 05 21:42:11 3.0.2* Sep 05 21:42:14 im about to start asking the noob questions Sep 05 21:42:25 that's my job! Sep 05 21:42:44 thankfully ailium is still pure js, no mojo Sep 05 21:42:52 cool Sep 05 21:42:58 my app is enyo, so... Sep 05 21:43:12 NuttyBunny: local file or shoutcast first? Sep 05 21:43:15 gonna have to figure out how to make it not load in a phone card Sep 05 21:43:32 "uiRevision": 2 Sep 05 21:43:36 gotcha Sep 05 21:43:43 appinfo.json Sep 05 21:43:49 also how to make the app menu not mojo Sep 05 21:43:59 build it in enyo :) Sep 05 21:44:02 pretty sad seeing some apps using the mojo app menu and others using the enyo Sep 05 21:44:11 the mojo one just doesnt flow Sep 05 21:44:17 does the app rely on *any* other mojo parts? Sep 05 21:44:36 huh? Sep 05 21:44:54 is there a new version of cupcake.js? Sep 05 21:44:58 well, the current app uses mojo for the appmenu you said Sep 05 21:45:11 so, does it use mojo for anything else? Sep 05 21:45:15 no i didnt Sep 05 21:45:19 it has no appmenu Sep 05 21:45:25 ah Sep 05 21:45:30 weird. i define a new button, and it refuses to call it's onclick Sep 05 21:45:33 but i dont like seeing apps on the tp using the mojo menu when its tp compat Sep 05 21:45:43 well, just reference enyo in the index.html and use the enyo appmenu kind Sep 05 21:45:47 ailium is pure js running in the index.html Sep 05 21:45:51 doesnt use anything Sep 05 21:46:19 i was gonna use cupcake.js for storage but i know thats mojo Sep 05 21:48:45 there Sep 05 21:48:58 1.4.5, 2.1.0, 3.0.2 emulators ;D Sep 05 21:54:15 PatrickC, Local file first Sep 05 21:54:35 that'll take longer though :P Sep 05 21:58:57 really? then do the shoutcast thing first :P Sep 05 21:59:07 haha Sep 05 21:59:12 I'll look into it Sep 05 21:59:22 shoutcast might not be as easy as I think... Sep 05 22:00:15 sugardave: ping? Sep 05 22:06:13 hah Sep 05 22:06:15 that was easy Sep 05 22:06:32 what was? Sep 05 22:06:46 the uirevision Sep 05 22:07:08 ugh.. i had this all designed for the pre screen ratio Sep 05 22:07:09 enyo help anyone? :) Sep 05 22:07:14 now i gotta rework it for TP Sep 05 22:07:17 so much screen to use Sep 05 22:07:33 NuttyBunny: depends haha Sep 05 22:07:46 var paws = document.getElementById('pause'); Sep 05 22:07:48 err oops Sep 05 22:08:28 paws = pause haha Sep 05 22:08:48 yah durr :) Sep 05 22:09:10 Does anyone know how to nicely resize a PDK hybrid plugin to the size of it's flex container? My plugin handles resizes nicely and I can see the setWidth methods for the plugin, however how to I get the dimensions of the flex element? Help appreciated Sep 05 22:10:30 fudge Sep 05 22:10:50 NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17713/SadTouchPad.JPG Sep 05 22:10:57 welp i guess off to photoshop to ponder up a new layout Sep 05 22:11:10 does it still work? Sep 05 22:11:32 its not mine Sep 05 22:11:34 fudge? :P Sep 05 22:11:41 but its a very sad picture Sep 05 22:11:41 yes fude Sep 05 22:11:51 320x480 doesnt scale to 1024x768 Sep 05 22:12:00 so i gotta rethink the game board Sep 05 22:12:12 Cute, I didn't expect it to shatter like that everywhere. Pretty neat. Sep 05 22:12:19 I like the lines radiating out from the impact spot Sep 05 22:12:41 kinda sucks about the TP ui Sep 05 22:12:42 care to elaborate? Sep 05 22:13:02 my candyUI that i was gonna use is pretty darn close to the TP ui Sep 05 22:13:06 so much for being special Sep 05 22:13:49 Curious how that happened.. You can see the highest impact lines like it got banged on the edge on a sharp surfce, like the corner of a desk or something Sep 05 22:14:01 dwc-: get enough people interested in a veer? Sep 05 22:15:37 wow how the heck did that pic happen... fell down the stairs? Sep 05 22:15:50 kevets1: no clue Sep 05 22:15:53 its not mine Sep 05 22:16:12 that's good Sep 05 22:18:19 yeah Sep 05 22:18:28 * PatrickC forgot he doesn't have the sdk on this computer Sep 05 22:18:33 have to use USB mode :q Sep 05 22:18:35 :/ * Sep 05 22:18:43 * halfhalo has the sdk on his new lappytop Sep 05 22:18:56 halfhalo: I just installed ubuntu Sep 05 22:19:01 so I need to download it Sep 05 22:19:08 * halfhalo has the sdk in his ubuntu vm as well Sep 05 22:19:32 * halfhalo also has the sdk on his windows machines using automagical syncing tools Sep 05 22:22:07 yay activedirectory! but boo the broken mobile client sync on lion! Sep 05 22:25:32 http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7663/ahdfudge.png Sep 05 22:25:38 so much whitespace :P Sep 05 22:26:15 dawm: play three games at once Sep 05 22:26:21 LOL Sep 05 22:27:02 dawm: have online multi-player w/ chat and have have the screen be chat and the other be gameplay :) Sep 05 22:27:18 you are smoking something Sep 05 22:27:46 i will rework the board dimensions Sep 05 22:28:15 i hope the larger graphics dont hurt the performance because i dont wanna play around in PDK anymore Sep 05 22:28:57 also Sep 05 22:29:07 the wallpapers in the emulator.. arent tp compat :P Sep 05 22:32:17 Don't drink and plank! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYyc-CXA36M&NR Sep 05 22:37:41 I thought you had to drink to plank? Why else would that appeal to anyone? Sep 05 22:37:51 brisbane planking association!? Sep 05 22:40:09 had a bit of plank in the park Sep 05 22:41:54 forum down again? Looks like PC is the latest web victim of the TP firesale lol Sep 05 22:44:09 http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/09/05/2038244/HP-Moves-WebOS-From-PC-Group-What-Next Sep 05 22:49:18 It's so hot the soldering on my glasses melts if I stand outside too long. Sep 05 22:52:28 wtf Sep 05 22:52:40 is it all of a sudden 'text me' hour? Sep 05 22:53:13 yes Sep 05 22:53:21 what's your number, I'll text you too Sep 05 22:53:36 no Sep 05 22:53:41 lol Sep 05 22:53:56 2 ex's and another chick ive been talking to all of a sudden all text me at the same time Sep 05 22:54:43 they are kniving Sep 05 22:54:47 the moon and stars are aligned Sep 05 22:55:11 the continental plates are rubbing against each other causing magnetic fluctuations that are affecting their brains Sep 05 22:58:02 sounds like a steamy romance novel Sep 05 22:58:11 continental plates rubbing Sep 05 22:58:14 oh yea Sep 05 22:58:23 hahaha Sep 05 23:01:24 i can text you too Sep 05 23:01:38 ok, every now and then my app is spewing "error: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILELGAL, /mainApp/index.html:1" .. wtf ? Sep 05 23:01:43 *ILLEGAL Sep 05 23:01:52 EricBlade: it's ILLEGAL Sep 05 23:02:11 maybe you should only run code that complies w/ the law Sep 05 23:02:22 how the hell am i supposed to track down an error if the only traceback i'm getting is in index.html ? Sep 05 23:10:54 I want to pipe tweets from a user into my app, what's the best way of going about doing this? Sep 05 23:29:37 hey all Sep 05 23:30:08 hello PatrickC_TP Sep 05 23:30:15 hey Caleb Sep 05 23:30:25 hows it goin Sep 05 23:30:51 goin good Sep 05 23:30:54 Hi Sep 05 23:31:09 transferring the Ubuntu SDK to my flash drive so I can install it :) Sep 05 23:31:21 hey haydnh Sep 05 23:31:42 Okay, so I'm trying to parse some XML in my enyo app - does anyone have a good resourse explaining how best to do this? Sep 05 23:32:03 only 100MB left of transfer :) Sep 05 23:32:08 I've got a Document Object of the XML file, but how to actually go about parsing it I'm somewhat at a loss, and I don't see anything in the enyo api. Sep 06 00:12:00 i am so glad i didnt do pixel graphics Sep 06 00:12:11 just rebuild a larger board and apply the styles ;D Sep 06 00:15:51 Ebonwumon: after you've run the Parse on it to make it into a Document, then basically, you have to inspect it's DOM tree. what do you want to do with it? Sep 06 00:16:50 EricBlade, I'm learning a lot about DOM elements right now actually. It's slow-going. Basically it's an RSS feed for a site and I want to parse out the title, put that one place in my app and parse out the content and put that in a different pane. Sep 06 00:17:30 you can use getElement* and getElements* to find whatever pieces you need Sep 06 00:18:14 Okay so right now I'm sitting at it returning a series of NodeList objects with a single element within each of them. Sep 06 00:18:24 <Ebonwumon> How do I actually get the title text out of it? Sep 06 00:18:50 <EricBlade> i'm thinking .textContent like with html objects .. but not really sure Sep 06 00:19:36 <Ebonwumon> That gives me undefined's =\ Sep 06 00:19:41 <Ebonwumon> I'll keep looking. Sep 06 00:19:45 <Ebonwumon> Thanks for the help Sep 06 00:20:28 <Ebonwumon> Oh hey! Sep 06 00:20:44 <Ebonwumon> textContent actually works. I just had to invoke .item() on the NodeLIst first. Sep 06 00:31:36 <PatrickC_TP> ok, I just installed java jre 7, and the SDK doesn't see it.... Sep 06 00:32:56 <PatrickC_TP> wait, just found out that java isn't installed, but it is.. hmm.. odd Sep 06 00:34:12 <Ebonwumon> PatrickC_TP, are you on a 64-bit system and you installed a 64-bit java Sep 06 00:34:16 <Ebonwumon> or a 32-bit one Sep 06 00:34:20 <PatrickC_TP> 32bit Sep 06 00:34:20 <Ebonwumon> I seem to recall there being issues with that Sep 06 00:34:24 <Ebonwumon> I could be completely wrong though Sep 06 00:54:09 <Da|Mummy> if aspect ratio 16:10 is 1.6, and 4:3 is 1.33333333, what would 16:9 be? Sep 06 01:00:42 <haydnh> errr... 16 / 10 = 1.6, 4 / 3 = 1.33, 16 / 9 = 1.78... Sep 06 01:00:44 <EricBlade> ok, 2-stage message deletion and call placing .. can't get the "end call" thing to work.. but wtfever. if my gf can't break this program and doesn't become thoroughly confused by it, this is gold Sep 06 01:01:26 <DougReeder> od Sep 06 01:01:30 <Da|Mummy> hmm, how didnt i figure that one out i wonder...thx haydnh Sep 06 01:01:41 <rwhitby> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ka6soxs-show <- touchpad teardown live Sep 06 01:01:58 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 06 01:02:00 <EricBlade> i -really- wish i could install dev packs via wifi, running out to the living room to get the other pad every 10 minutes is driving me nuts. but at least it's exercise Sep 06 01:03:53 <Shadyman> EricBlade: SSH? Sep 06 01:05:07 <DougReeder> UStream: all the waiting of real life, without the personal contact. Sep 06 01:05:34 <EricBlade> Shadyman ? Sep 06 01:06:06 <wrea> Thanks, watvhing now rwhitby Sep 06 01:07:33 <DougReeder> I sure hope he's using a grounding heel strap. Sep 06 01:07:55 <rwhitby> the device is bricked Sep 06 01:08:01 <DougReeder> Ah. Sep 06 01:09:06 <haydnh> How long does it take to find a screwdriver? ;P Sep 06 01:10:09 <haydnh> "touchpad tear down" should be renamed for "hunt for red screwdriver" :) Sep 06 01:10:26 * DougReeder smiles Sep 06 01:11:08 <haydnh> btw, if I see that happening to jhojho's pre3 I will cry! Sep 06 01:12:49 <rwhitby> haydnh: no, this is a dead touchpad from the CM7 guys Sep 06 01:14:47 <DougReeder> Ah, for the Apple II days, when you popped the case open with your fingers, and everything was there to be seen. Sep 06 01:15:10 <kevets1> dang Sep 06 01:15:20 <calcmandan> what's folks Sep 06 01:15:26 * kevets1 just turned on the touchpad teardown livestream Sep 06 01:15:29 <haydnh> I still have a Sun ultra 60 in my wardrobe, they were nice things to work on. :) Sep 06 01:15:35 <calcmandan> damned autocorrect Sep 06 01:15:46 <haydnh> it'll probably be a collectors item at some point! Sep 06 01:17:40 <kevets1> so is this teardown of a broken touchpad? looking for anything in particular? Sep 06 01:27:40 <Shadyman> wtf ads Sep 06 01:28:40 <Shadyman> Ads? In MY Ustream? It's more likely than you think. Sep 06 01:31:39 <dawm> wow Sep 06 01:31:42 <dawm> this looks way too cool Sep 06 01:33:42 <dawm> whoa.. the png is 3mbs.. Sep 06 01:34:14 <Shadyman> Hmm. Cypress touchscreen controller Sep 06 01:34:25 <dawm> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8986/ahdle.png Sep 06 01:34:33 <dawm> that looks way too cool for what the game actually is Sep 06 01:34:35 <Shadyman> Strange, since the only thing I found on I2C was a MaxTouch device, which is an Atmel thing. Sep 06 01:37:40 <Shadyman> I'd also like to note that the LiPo is HUGE. Sep 06 01:37:48 <EricBlade> alright, i think this is it. i just need to fix my icon problems, and figure out how to submit. woot. Sep 06 01:38:17 <EricBlade> my gf is no longer able to break my app Sep 06 01:38:44 <EricBlade> i should probably get the 12 year old to play with it, just to make sure, however, i'd like to have my touchpad still functioning Sep 06 01:41:02 <PatrickC> ok. Tibfib_ ping? Sep 06 01:41:10 <PatrickC> question about the media indexer Sep 06 01:41:11 <dawm> PatrickC, Sep 06 01:41:13 <dawm> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8986/ahdle.png Sep 06 01:41:16 <dawm> to intense? Sep 06 01:41:19 <dawm> er too Sep 06 01:41:45 <PatrickC> dawm: NO! Thats amazing! lol Sep 06 01:41:49 <dawm> lol Sep 06 01:41:49 <PatrickC> that looks so nice Sep 06 01:41:58 <dawm> yeah but is it too misleading? Sep 06 01:42:03 * PatrickC tears up at the beauty Sep 06 01:42:05 <PatrickC> i dont think so Sep 06 01:42:50 <PatrickC> if anyone has experience with the media indexer, they can help. doesnt have do be Tibfib_ :) Sep 06 01:43:06 <Shadyman> ka6sox-away: don't puncture the lipo. don't puncture the lipo. don't puncture the lipo Sep 06 01:43:16 <dawm> lol well im off to watch some tv.. Sep 06 01:43:32 <PatrickC> cya Sep 06 01:44:14 <haydnh> They're in #webos-teardown Sep 06 01:44:27 <Shadyman> ah Sep 06 01:51:09 <Tibfib_> dawm: that ailium splash image looks awesome Sep 06 01:58:10 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: quick question on media indexer: im using the example from Palm's site, but when my app is granted media permission access, the log doesnt fire.. Sep 06 01:58:26 <PatrickC> and i dont see the media files Sep 06 01:58:26 <Tibfib_> I don't know what you mean Sep 06 01:58:32 <Tibfib_> what log? Sep 06 01:58:47 <PatrickC> getPermSuccess: function(inSender, inResponse) { this.log("Get Permissions success, results=" + enyo.json.stringify(inResponse)); }, Sep 06 01:59:11 <PatrickC> following this page: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/media-permissions.html Sep 06 02:00:20 <Tibfib_> well make sure the logs actually work. Sep 06 02:00:51 <PatrickC> hmm.. ok Sep 06 02:00:57 <Tibfib_> alrighty, I'm off Sep 06 02:00:58 <PatrickC> ill log a button i know works Sep 06 02:00:59 <Tibfib_> cyaa Sep 06 02:01:08 <PatrickC> cya Sep 06 02:01:30 <Tibfib_> actually quick question Sep 06 02:01:36 <Tibfib_> PatrickC: did you update nomnomnom? Sep 06 02:02:09 <Nilium> Anyone happen to know if the GCC __sync_* built-ins work on webOS? I'm guessing no, since I'm pretty sure they aren't implemented for ARM. Sep 06 02:02:34 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: yes :) Sep 06 02:02:37 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC: do you find it funny that theres someone in here with a similar name to my game? Sep 06 02:02:39 <PatrickC> and it works very nicely now Sep 06 02:02:44 <Tibfib_> did you have any issues on install PatrickC? Sep 06 02:02:49 <PatrickC> dawm|laptop: yes haha Sep 06 02:02:52 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: no Sep 06 02:02:54 <PatrickC> why? Sep 06 02:02:55 <dawm|laptop> copy cats :P Sep 06 02:02:57 <Tibfib_> okay thanks Sep 06 02:03:00 <Tibfib_> had a couple reports of that Sep 06 02:03:02 <Tibfib_> not sure the issue Sep 06 02:03:24 <PatrickC> ok Sep 06 02:03:25 <Tibfib_> okay, now I'm off Sep 06 02:03:34 <PatrickC> im just wanting to fix this bug.. :/ Sep 06 02:03:37 <PatrickC> time to see if logs work Sep 06 02:10:55 <PatrickC> any idea why this.log wont work? http://pastebin.com/tYJYM9gH Sep 06 02:17:42 <DougReeder> I usually put log statements at the beggining of methods, so exceptions don't prevent logging. Sep 06 02:18:24 <DougReeder> event.stopPropagation(); // argument is called "inEvent" not "event" Sep 06 02:24:27 <PatrickC> ok.. i added the log level, but it still doesnt work http://pastebin.com/Cb6uUzhY Sep 06 02:25:56 <DougReeder> What happens if you set a breakpoint in the method? Sep 06 02:27:13 <dawm|laptop> that event var is still spelled wrong Sep 06 02:28:42 <PatrickC> dawm|laptop: which event var? Sep 06 02:28:49 <dawm|laptop> the last one in button handler Sep 06 02:28:55 <dawm|laptop> as DougReeder pointed out Sep 06 02:28:58 <dawm|laptop> its inEvent not event Sep 06 02:29:11 <PatrickC> ah Sep 06 02:29:18 <PatrickC> just fixed it Sep 06 02:30:02 <PatrickC> log still doesnt work Sep 06 02:30:11 <PatrickC> but now i get a error: [20110905-21:24:49.629414] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'drag ging' of undefined, /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js: 10,846 Sep 06 02:30:55 <dawm|laptop> drag ging? hah Sep 06 02:31:40 <haydnh> Is that a ginger bloke in a dress? Sep 06 02:31:48 <PatrickC> thats an exact copy of the log lol Sep 06 02:32:19 <PatrickC> but dawm|laptop: its like that because thats where the line break is in the cmd line Sep 06 02:32:26 <dawm|laptop> yes i know Sep 06 02:32:59 <PatrickC> any idea why i would get that error? Sep 06 02:33:07 <dawm|laptop> jelly beans Sep 06 02:33:12 <Shadyman> Unicorns. Sep 06 02:33:19 <EricBlade> guessing you're passing something incorrect to that part of Enyo Sep 06 02:33:20 <Shadyman> Or because there's a space somewhere it shouldn't be Sep 06 02:33:38 <EricBlade> that line in enyo is getting something undefined Sep 06 02:33:39 <PatrickC> hmm.. ill run my files thru jslint Sep 06 02:33:43 <EricBlade> when it's expecting to not be Sep 06 02:33:43 * PatrickC prepares to cry Sep 06 02:33:46 <DougReeder> Set a breakpoint, and find what statement of yours triggers it. Sep 06 02:34:15 <EricBlade> well, i think i'm ready for submitting. anyone want to place bets on how long it takes HP to shoot me down? Sep 06 02:34:21 <Shadyman> a year Sep 06 02:34:23 <EricBlade> http://www.ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/ Sep 06 02:35:10 <dawm|laptop> 313? Sep 06 02:35:25 <dawm|laptop> oh yeah your local Sep 06 02:35:34 <Bmyers> EricBlade: looks nine Sep 06 02:35:35 <Bmyers> nice Sep 06 02:36:34 <DougReeder> Ok, shower time [goes AFK] Sep 06 02:36:38 <PatrickC> cya Sep 06 02:37:27 <Bmyers> anyone use github for mac? Sep 06 02:38:24 <Bmyers> i cant find where to put a github url to pull to my machine Sep 06 02:38:36 <dawm|laptop> huh? Sep 06 02:38:39 <dawm|laptop> just get git Sep 06 02:38:44 <dawm|laptop> and command line Sep 06 02:38:48 <PatrickC> Bmyers: in the command line Sep 06 02:39:03 <Bmyers> hmm Sep 06 02:39:14 <PatrickC> git clone git://github.com/path/to/file.git Sep 06 02:39:18 <PatrickC> and then if in a git dir Sep 06 02:39:21 <PatrickC> git pull Sep 06 02:40:08 <Nilium> Yeah, probably better to just use a terminal for that Sep 06 02:40:12 <Nilium> The github app is kind of wonky Sep 06 02:40:45 <Bmyers> eww.. terminal. wtf did i get a mac for? Sep 06 02:41:38 <halfhalo> because? Sep 06 02:41:54 <Bmyers> cause it was cheap.. Sep 06 02:42:07 <halfhalo> lies Sep 06 02:42:35 <youp> hey people quick question, how do you do ctrl+d in xterm on touchpad? Sep 06 02:42:39 <youp> in xserver Sep 06 02:43:00 <youp> i just ping a server and i cannot stop it :) Sep 06 02:43:29 <Shadyman> haha oops :x Sep 06 02:44:01 <youp> good thing is that i am pinging my vpn box and it works, bad thing i cannot stop pinging, Sep 06 02:44:39 <haydnh> I was trying the keys for xterm earlier, couldn't find them! Had them yesterday :( Sep 06 02:44:46 <youp> shoot Sep 06 02:44:51 <haydnh> Try gesture and d (gesture is control) Sep 06 02:45:04 <EricBlade> dawm|laptop: yeah? where you at? i'm in plymouth Sep 06 02:45:09 <dawm|laptop> wayne Sep 06 02:45:16 <haydnh> or gesture C (which never works for me), sometimes just C on it's on seems to do a control c though Sep 06 02:45:44 <haydnh> s/trying the keys/trying to find the keys/ Sep 06 02:46:20 <EricBlade> how the hell do you "Gesture-C" Sep 06 02:46:28 <youp> pressing both shifts should be ctrl Sep 06 02:46:41 <youp> yeah gesture Sep 06 02:47:24 <dawm|laptop> EricBlade: im in wayne down by the airport Sep 06 02:48:22 <fxspec06_> gesture - c Sep 06 02:48:31 <youp> btw do you know .bashrc works for webos xterm fine? Sep 06 02:48:47 <fxspec06_> press hold the area below screen and hit - c Sep 06 02:48:50 <fxspec06_> gesture - c Sep 06 02:48:54 <haydnh> Ericblade: put 1 finger on gesture are and leave it there and then hit c Sep 06 02:49:30 <youp> gesture stuff does not work for me Sep 06 02:49:31 <PatrickC> there is no gesture area on the touchpad :) Sep 06 02:49:45 <haydnh> gesture+i is tab, can never remember what pipe is though which is a pita Sep 06 02:49:49 <fxspec06_> i find thumb works best. also be sure to not put finger in the middle of gesture area, or when you lift your finger it will pop into card view Sep 06 02:50:06 <EricBlade> i gesture at my touchpad frequently, but i don't think it has an area for it. Sep 06 02:50:35 <fxspec06_> your g/f gestured my touchpad all night long Sep 06 02:50:45 <fxspec06_> k gnite, school tomorrow =( Sep 06 02:50:57 <Shadyman> lol Sep 06 02:51:04 <haydnh> wow it was a bad joke but you don't have to leave because of it! ;P Sep 06 02:51:07 <haydnh> nn Sep 06 02:51:07 <fxspec06_> first day of college attempt #4 Sep 06 02:51:21 <youp> shoot xterm does not read .bashrc Sep 06 02:51:25 <fxspec06_> maybe i'll finish a semester this time Sep 06 02:51:34 <haydnh> OK... TP is now bought from ebay... damn money grabbing gits! Sep 06 02:51:47 <Caleb> haydnh: how much you get it for? Sep 06 02:55:20 <crazy8> probably paid too much Sep 06 02:55:21 <crazy8> :( Sep 06 02:56:16 <youp> does anyone use ssh on touchpad? Sep 06 02:56:51 <haydnh> Yep... too much :( Sep 06 02:57:10 <haydnh> not too bad a deal for the current e-bay prices but still too much :( Sep 06 02:57:25 <youp> why did not you wait for hp deal Sep 06 02:58:06 <haydnh> Don't think the new TPs are coming to UK Sep 06 02:58:12 <youp> ohh well **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 06 02:59:56 2011