**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 08 02:59:57 2011 Sep 08 03:01:53 aja: how so Sep 08 03:03:09 Wow PC _just_ picked up the hulu story? eek Sep 08 03:03:35 riskish2: they just send out a lot of email, at least in the beginning.. really trying to move people to biz accts :) Sep 08 03:05:05 oh Sep 08 03:05:30 riskish2: nothing that'd make me not sign up Sep 08 03:05:54 ive met the founders a few times. cool guys. Sep 08 03:09:06 riskish2: i was curious today what the business deal between them and HP was.. Sep 08 03:09:25 (so if you ever see them, please ask for me :) Sep 08 03:13:21 * ajay is going to continue to grr until he can get google voice calls into skype Sep 08 03:13:24 (for free) Sep 08 03:25:14 riskish2: me and the otter were going to work on a slydial app, doesn't look like that's happenin.. and i ported tuxPaint as well Sep 08 03:26:45 did you really just call me the otter? :] Sep 08 03:30:45 I got kismet compiled, but I get an error during configure thatll hamper the use of it Sep 08 03:34:34 wrea: on the TP? Sep 08 03:34:52 Yeah Sep 08 03:35:10 I'm guessing it can't bump the driver into monitor mode? Sep 08 03:35:36 Probably not. Going to end up using the tp in usb host mode Sep 08 03:35:43 kesne: ping Sep 08 03:36:06 Sup Sep 08 03:36:11 I'll PM Sep 08 03:36:23 wrea: How's the USB host mode hunt going? Sep 08 03:36:52 Well, ive heard usb keyboards working Sep 08 03:36:58 Just got to have ext. power Sep 08 03:38:04 probably just a setting on one of the power management ICs Sep 08 03:40:30 checking For mac80211 support in netlink library... libnl detected but no support for mac80211 your kernel is probably too old for mac80211 or nl80211 upgrade your kernel then reinstall the latest netlink to get mac80211 support. Sep 08 03:43:04 well, the ath6000 drivers are actually kinda new. Sep 08 03:43:43 Yeah. Right now there is no monitor support and nothing in sight to change that Sep 08 03:45:18 Looks like there's plenty of room physically inside the TP though Sep 08 03:45:32 maybe time for one of these Wifi+FM+everything radio chips? ;) Sep 08 03:46:04 heh Sep 08 03:46:25 * ajay says damn touchpad.. now i think i need a wifi printer!! gah Sep 08 03:46:31 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/atheros-ar6000-creating-access-point-ad-hoc-849267/ ? Sep 08 03:46:32 (made by hp at that..) Sep 08 03:46:52 ajay: You don't need a wifi printer. Sep 08 03:47:00 a wired ethernet one works as well Sep 08 03:47:08 ie my CP1518ni Sep 08 03:47:30 aaand.. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath6kl Sep 08 03:47:53 Shadyman: okay, then i'll revise.. s/wifi/networked Sep 08 03:47:58 :D Sep 08 03:48:58 all these pre3 files are causing bluetooth to not start.. oops :) Sep 08 03:50:28 * ajay has already covered up the hp logo on the back of his TP.. Sep 08 03:50:54 sacriledge! ;) Sep 08 03:51:04 some version of Tux take its place? Sep 08 03:51:32 Shadyman: that's a good idea.. i just went with a wordpress "make web not war" sticker since it was convenient :) Sep 08 03:51:58 maybe one of these new-style Tuxes with an HP logo on its belly Sep 08 03:52:15 Shadyman: how about no HP logo anywhere on the device.. :) Sep 08 03:52:18 haha Sep 08 03:52:52 changing that initial logo to whatever-i-wanted used to be so easy on the pre, dunno why it's being so difficult on the TP Sep 08 03:52:56 so are there any secondary-source ipkg repos anywhere? ie homebrew, etc? Sep 08 03:53:23 I cant find where libnl even checks to see if mac80211/nl80211 support is available Sep 08 03:53:59 how about using the ath6kl driver? :D Does that help any? Sep 08 03:54:23 Its a kernel level thing, not driver level Sep 08 03:54:53 only the internals repo afaik Sep 08 03:55:02 Shadyman: that driver go on the touchpad or what? Sep 08 03:55:19 oh kernel level Sep 08 03:55:21 That driver is already on the tp Sep 08 03:55:33 isn't the tp using just the ath6k? Sep 08 03:56:01 doesnt really matter at this point Sep 08 03:56:07 kay Sep 08 03:56:09 Neither support monitor mode Sep 08 03:56:13 boo Sep 08 03:58:49 Maybe I'll poke some values into the power management ICs and see if anything lights up on USB host :x Sep 08 03:58:53 or otherwise blows up Sep 08 03:59:29 figuring out this libnl thing is one of the last things I need to fix before I clean up the makefiles and maybe try submitting them Sep 08 03:59:36 yay Sep 08 04:00:00 the pm8901 seems like it's dealing with big loads, like the battery, whereas the pm8058 looks like it's more for smaller loads Sep 08 04:00:05 maybe i'll try poking the 8058 first. Sep 08 04:00:12 I'm seeing if my friend has the necessary cable to test with a uss stick Sep 08 04:01:07 damn my pre2 is goin to start getting cranky at all these reboots trying to figure out bluetooth MAP! gah.. Sep 08 04:01:07 Your nick looks awfully familiar to me for some reason Sep 08 04:02:30 I wish I had a Veer. A tiny wardriver for my car Sep 08 04:02:40 ok about that time.. Sep 08 04:02:43 If I didnt want my tp with me Sep 08 04:04:24 ooo Sep 08 04:05:06 hmmm /sys/devices/virtual/usb_gadget Sep 08 04:06:37 appears to be http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ Sep 08 04:09:24 er /sys/bus/i2c/devices/6-0055/pm8058-gpio/subsystem/devices/usb_gadget Sep 08 04:11:00 Okay, silly links. Sep 08 04:11:03 /sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget Sep 08 04:18:28 what are you trying to do? Sep 08 04:18:36 Shadyman, you have anyway to test anything? Sep 08 04:19:34 not much Sep 08 04:19:48 I'm actually reading over http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1051282.html at the moment Sep 08 04:23:18 I know it's a *droid conversation mainly, but it discusses the MSM7*27 chips and USB OTG Sep 08 04:24:54 only OTG male to female cables on ebay come from china and i dont want to wait that long Sep 08 04:25:20 I got one from china Sep 08 04:25:25 they are cheap though. Sep 08 04:25:26 Not sure if it passes the sense pin though Sep 08 04:25:49 i've got one here Sep 08 04:29:24 * Freman rocks back and forth waiting for his 3 touchstone's to arrive from ebay Sep 08 04:30:57 I got a touchstone, but no phone to use it Sep 08 04:32:34 Someone got an extra Veer? :P Sep 08 04:33:45 ebay? Sep 08 04:34:11 I hope those are either for a touchpad, or dirt cheap Sep 08 04:34:15 craigslist? Sep 08 04:34:36 the toucstone for the phone i ended up getting for free Sep 08 04:35:02 how does the touchstone work anyways Sep 08 04:35:20 black voodoo magic Sep 08 04:35:26 ^^ Sep 08 04:35:50 with a little bit of electricity, but mostly magic Sep 08 04:36:32 witch craft possibly? Sep 08 04:36:47 na Sep 08 04:36:54 its just clean magic :) Sep 08 04:37:09 powered by the pure awesomeness of Palm Sep 08 04:37:12 (not HP) Sep 08 04:38:05 ^^right Sep 08 04:38:25 if only HP would work some magic to make those touchpads appear back in stock :( Sep 08 04:40:42 touchstones work via induction - essentially the touchstone is one half of a transformer, and the touchpad/phone is the other half Sep 08 04:45:31 why donn't more cell phones use that Sep 08 04:46:20 i wonder. Sep 08 04:47:28 relatively newish tech - my toothbrush does it, but not with the beauty of a touchstone (toothbrush actually slots down over the coil in the base) Sep 08 04:48:57 must. order. touchstone. Sep 08 04:49:07 $5, vzw Sep 08 04:53:07 anyone here use inkscape Sep 08 04:55:34 CTLAdvance: I have before Sep 08 04:55:54 Whats the trick to getting the png's to save without a white background Sep 08 04:57:00 I think its time I upgrade my Photoshop from ... version 7 to cs 5 Sep 08 04:57:47 thats one heck of an upgrade lol Sep 08 04:58:32 yes, and its well overdue Sep 08 04:58:57 Icons dont come out clear from PS7... CS 5 handles them better Sep 08 04:59:07 esp at 64x64 Sep 08 05:10:23 CTLAdvance: ping Sep 08 05:10:31 ewww pong Sep 08 05:10:32 pong Sep 08 05:10:43 Whats up Sep 08 05:10:44 CTLAdvance: what did you need w/ inkscape? Sep 08 05:10:51 I've used it for icons before Sep 08 05:11:02 I need to know how to get it to save icons with a transparent background Sep 08 05:11:14 hmm.. I haven't figured that out yet Sep 08 05:11:18 I changed the doc properties, but the png's still show the white Sep 08 05:11:25 haeffb pointed me to inkscape, maybe he knows? Sep 08 05:11:42 I just used MS Paint and painted the bg black (eww, I know) Sep 08 05:11:59 lol Sep 08 05:12:28 it looks a lot better then white though.. lol Sep 08 05:13:26 CTLAdvance: my first icon ever http://www.box.net/shared/0893bkymst8mumdji0s7 haha Sep 08 05:13:52 lol Sep 08 05:14:06 I've managed to do it but I can't remember how Sep 08 05:14:17 something like dragging a select box around the area and saving the selection Sep 08 05:18:17 http://hpcloud.com Sep 08 05:21:15 hmm Sep 08 05:23:02 my TP is acting up.. bad Sep 08 05:28:10 Do you guys with TPs have laptops as well? Sep 08 05:29:21 yes Sep 08 05:29:58 Do you find the tablet replacing things that your laptop commonly does? Sep 08 05:30:20 I only have a laptop atm and barely use it...find myself laying in bed surfing the web on my pre because its smaller...was considering getting rid of the laptop for a tablet Sep 08 05:31:25 no Sep 08 05:32:17 IM on the laptop > IM on the tablet Sep 08 05:32:25 browsing on the laptop is mostly > browsing on the tablet Sep 08 05:32:31 typing is definitely better on the laptop Sep 08 05:33:31 the pre browser doesn't hold a candle to say, firefox, even without addons Sep 08 05:34:00 yea thats for sure Sep 08 05:34:24 what I do use it for is looking stuff up briefly Sep 08 05:34:49 or as a second screen to watch a video or something Sep 08 05:41:23 so hp is going 100% Software now Sep 08 05:42:58 no, they're keeping all the enterprise stuff still Sep 08 05:45:41 rwhitby: you wanted telstra usage didn't you? Sep 08 05:47:24 s/telstra/bigpond/ (see they're about as separate in my head as they are IRL) Sep 08 06:11:17 hm Sep 08 06:54:57 Freman: I can test it, but I doubt I'll use it much Sep 08 07:02:23 Hey folks Sep 08 07:12:27 * EricBlade chuckles. got email from the webos approval people they asked me to provide a google account for them to test with. really? you guys don't have any spare google accounts? Sep 08 07:12:31 * EricBlade :) Sep 08 07:25:16 EricBlade: lol Sep 08 07:29:00 I think they aren't allowed to just create one. Sep 08 07:38:58 rwhitby still a ways from testing :D Sep 08 07:45:50 EricBlade: if there are 1000 submissions, do you expect them to create 1000 gmail accounts ? ;) Sep 08 07:46:56 it was rather difficult to locate an email address that i didn't already have attached to a google account! Sep 08 07:48:10 thankfully i didn't have to resort to "eblade@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com" Sep 08 08:01:50 hihi Sep 08 08:07:51 eh, weird Sep 08 08:08:16 how can I access the USB partition without an active profile? Sep 08 08:08:32 I activated a new Veer and am trying to get my data from one phone to the other Sep 08 08:09:04 #*DEVMODE# only shows me the devmode enabler app Sep 08 08:09:17 but wont let me switch to other apps or connect to USB Sep 08 08:27:44 devmode -> reboot, devmode -> bypass Sep 08 08:28:00 or, wait until after you activate the new phone to put the data on it Sep 08 08:41:08 am i correct in seeing that only "RowGroup" and "Input" support autoLinking, meaning converting text inside them to clickable URLs? i thought i saw that feature somewhere for other types of things, but can't recall where Sep 08 08:56:04 Oh neat Sep 08 08:56:21 The TouchPad charger is compatible with the changeable plugs of the Pre 2 charger Sep 08 08:56:42 I can just put my euro type head to it :) Sep 08 09:08:08 * Ironsight reads topic Sep 08 09:08:49 what is bridging? Sep 08 10:12:03 deep is anyone on here? Sep 08 10:12:32 enyo.keyboard.typeNumber isn't really a number-exclusive keyboard setup.. is there one that is like number-only that i could use? Sep 08 10:13:14 hi Sep 08 10:13:20 hiya Sep 08 10:14:17 I want to query the calendar events from the command line with luna-send, but I get "permission denied": luna-send -n 1 -a com.palm.calendar luna://com.palm.db/find '{"query": {"from": "com.palm.calendarevent:1"}}' Sep 08 10:14:30 querying other db's works, what am I doing wrong? Sep 08 10:15:09 btw, I'm completely new to webos development but have some year of web dev experience Sep 08 10:15:17 some yearS... ;-) Sep 08 10:15:34 np Sep 08 10:15:45 what is this for mojo or enyo Sep 08 10:16:20 hmm, I can tell it's webOS 2.1 on my Veer Sep 08 10:16:29 ah veer mojo then Sep 08 10:17:13 haven't touched mojo yet , also new but doing touchpad stuff (enyo, webos3) Sep 08 10:17:22 I see Sep 08 10:17:25 but it seems like somewhere you literally don't have the permissionns Sep 08 10:17:36 looking up stuff on google to see if i can find something for you Sep 08 10:17:51 haven't found something useful yet Sep 08 10:18:23 maybe this: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/db8.html#Permissions Sep 08 10:18:49 thats reverse Sep 08 10:19:06 the calendar events is the built in calendar, correct? Sep 08 10:19:07 that means? Sep 08 10:19:11 yes Sep 08 10:20:40 the reason I want to do this: somehow all the Google calendar events got assigned to "undefined" after removing that account, I'm not the only one with this problem, and so I'd like to find a way to delete those events Sep 08 10:21:05 ah Sep 08 10:21:20 so I started looking up luna queries ;-) Sep 08 10:22:08 yeah sry m8, not so sure. Sep 08 10:22:12 thats gotta suck tho. Sep 08 10:22:40 those entries are all on the local device-only right? Sep 08 10:22:52 also waiting for 2.2 to come out ;( Sep 08 10:26:12 on the precentral forums, some people said that they are synced to the palm profile, so doctoring won't work Sep 08 10:26:52 they should have sticked with SQlite, that would have made my life easier ;-) Sep 08 10:49:11 wtf Sep 08 10:49:26 I've had the touchpad for a total of 2 hours and it's already got a scratch on the back Sep 08 10:49:34 Just how easily does this thing get scratches :P Sep 08 10:50:00 Must've been there from the factory since I can't think of anything that would've scratched it... Sep 08 10:50:14 mine isn't scratched up, but I also have a case on mine Sep 08 10:50:27 I had it for ~2 weeks before getting the case though and no scratches Sep 08 10:50:35 it got fingerprints like crazy, but no scratches Sep 08 10:50:59 Yeah, it would be odd if it got them that easily... Must be a fault from the manufacturing or something Sep 08 10:51:11 Well, not a big deal but it strikes me a bit odd Sep 08 12:28:37 eighthree: I managed to delete those events, I accidentally edit the wrong permissions file... Sep 08 12:29:49 edited... Sep 08 12:49:24 Hi All Sep 08 13:26:16 how rude Sep 08 13:26:22 how rude Sep 08 13:26:24 rebooting the ircd :( Sep 08 13:26:26 damn up arrow Sep 08 13:26:33 shoot the a-hole who designed this keyboard Sep 08 13:45:06 wtf? 7-21 days delivery... Why don't people say that before you buy something! ARGH! Sep 08 13:51:29 but you wont buy it if they do that! Sep 08 13:56:07 has anyone here incorporated or formed an llc Sep 08 14:50:51 I need a palm qa developer to approve my app update already.... Sep 08 14:51:02 pretty significant patch incorporated Sep 08 14:56:59 are there any webos developers on here today? Sep 08 14:57:07 ACTION  Sep 08 14:57:21 I'll send you a basket of goodies if you get your QA department to approve my app update already Sep 08 14:57:22 jthawkins: what's up? Sep 08 14:57:33 :) Sep 08 14:57:38 I don't work for palm :) Sep 08 14:57:42 just a developer Sep 08 14:57:49 yeah Sep 08 14:57:53 oh i do actually have a question Sep 08 14:58:05 whats the story with licesensing enyo apps for ios / android using phonegap Sep 08 14:58:15 no-go right now Sep 08 14:58:26 bummer Sep 08 14:58:31 sugardave might be able to help with the approval though ;) Sep 08 14:58:35 i would happily pay a licesensing fee to be able to do that Sep 08 14:58:41 I forget what department he is in Sep 08 14:58:50 jthawkins: when did you submit it? Sep 08 14:58:58 @sugardave, what is your favorite beer? Sep 08 14:59:36 jthawkins: well, I would take your beer, but I have nothing to do with app submissions :D Sep 08 14:59:46 lol Sep 08 14:59:48 :) Sep 08 14:59:52 oh, chuqui is on :) Sep 08 15:00:16 sugardave: what department you in? Sep 08 15:00:24 PatrickC: Submitted about 24 hours ago... but it fixes an issue with loading saves, which im getting dinged in the ratings on Sep 08 15:00:31 OST is what they call us now Sep 08 15:00:39 but I am on the SWAT team Sep 08 15:00:41 well... dinged = 4.8 instead of the 5 i have been running :/ Sep 08 15:00:43 jthawkins: it takes a few days Sep 08 15:00:50 jthawkins: what app? Sep 08 15:00:58 AnimatePro! Sep 08 15:01:07 ah, I've seen it around Sep 08 15:01:09 just dropped yesterday on the store Sep 08 15:01:15 haven't bought it yet... Sep 08 15:01:21 not sure I need it... /yet/ :) Sep 08 15:01:22 wait until the patch comes out Sep 08 15:01:26 price goes down Sep 08 15:01:28 :) yeah Sep 08 15:01:37 I"m considering free + ad supported with a few in app purchases Sep 08 15:01:44 like stop animation camera, and youtube export Sep 08 15:01:46 or... promo-code ;) Sep 08 15:02:02 stop-animation would be awesome lol Sep 08 15:02:07 true, i'll give you a promo if you'll give me a nice friendly review :) Sep 08 15:02:22 yeah, the plugin i have right now takes a single picture, or a picture every 5 seconds :) Sep 08 15:02:24 that, I can do :) Sep 08 15:02:30 so you can just set it on auto, and keep moving the scene Sep 08 15:02:38 I'll PM you about the review situation right now. as its kinda wonky Sep 08 15:02:47 k Sep 08 15:04:36 k have a code for you, but campaign doesn't start till tomorrow, so you might have to wait a bit for it to go active Sep 08 15:04:44 that's fine Sep 08 15:05:32 see PM about the situation Sep 08 15:23:45 netslpit.... Sep 08 15:26:09 its all fun and games till someone takes down a node and causes a netsplit. Sep 08 15:39:27 ATTENTION: Just got a mail from HP, AZERTY Pre 3 going on sale at 17:00 today apparently! http://images.luzernsolutions.com/images/palm-bundle/hp-pre3-bundle-eng-web.html Sep 08 15:39:44 25 minutes from now Sep 08 15:40:00 what kind of sale? Sep 08 15:40:41 £170 unlocked sim free (shame it's azerty) Sep 08 15:41:53 * PatrickC is Us Sep 08 15:41:54 US* Sep 08 15:43:10 Correction: the e-mail was from Palm Eurostore not HP Sep 08 15:53:24 hello there Sep 08 15:55:37 Hola Sep 08 15:58:43 for pdk, the app is only allowed to link with libs in PalmPDK/device/lib ? if i use anything else i'd have to static link? Sep 08 15:59:06 like basic libs suchs as openssl which i know exists... i can't use the system lib? Sep 08 16:05:52 AZERTY pre 3 now in stock at palm eurostore!! Sep 08 16:11:26 ip.zip Sep 08 16:12:34 firesale being £299.00 Sep 08 16:12:59 £169.99 Sep 08 16:13:38 ah Sep 08 16:13:45 getting an error message not allowing me to download the content of any emails, anyone has any idea Sep 08 16:13:54 AZERTY, not QWERTY Sep 08 16:14:14 130 for a different keyboard. nice. Sep 08 16:14:37 hmm, so panes. if your views are an html sontent kind that gets dynamically loaded, when you switch between the views, the html content in the deactivated view gets wiped out :/ Sep 08 16:15:10 /msg rwatkins I saw your question yesterday. the user imports the xml so size varies but my examples have been consistently around 7-8KB Sep 08 16:15:18 that can be handy I guess, but what if I want that document to stick around? Sep 08 16:15:28 sugardav1: panes perhaps, but not sliding panes Sep 08 16:15:39 bah, I don't want sliding panes Sep 08 16:15:42 that didn't work right... Sep 08 16:15:48 so webSQL is a little overkill for 7k Sep 08 16:16:17 I find localstorage the easiest to deal with unless "size matters" Sep 08 16:17:21 hmm Sep 08 16:18:29 anyone running such email issuez Sep 08 16:20:50 sugardave: are you sure? I swear I have a HtmlContent kind on my login page, and it still had content when I showed it after logout. Sep 08 16:21:02 rwatkins: well, it's not there :/ Sep 08 16:21:09 I"m doing some weird things, though Sep 08 16:21:39 hm, started using screen. Binding things to Ctrl-A not so good for someone with emacs keybindings burned into my brain. Sep 08 16:21:41 the view uses xhrGet to load a base starting html into the html content, then code takes over to dynamically update those divs via AJAX Sep 08 16:21:45 getElementsByTagName Sep 08 16:21:52 and both use the same base html Sep 08 16:22:03 it may be how I'm creating them Sep 08 16:22:04 ah, I just use srcId to fill the kind. Sep 08 16:22:15 (need to look through a bunch of wtf am I doing code) Sep 08 16:24:53 wrong keyboard. Sep 08 16:26:15 what would I be looking into to set all the keys and vars that I want considering that they would be different depending on the input xml Sep 08 16:28:52 just convert the xml into whatever convenient javascript object format, then stringify the object to persist it Sep 08 16:29:26 for PaperMache I save the vast majority of the metadata in localstorage. Sep 08 16:30:03 on startup I pull it out of local storage into a js object, then stringify and save it out with each change to that object. Sep 08 16:30:17 its fast, I can work directly with a js object, and its not async. Sep 08 16:31:27 ok Sep 08 16:31:54 jthawkins: ping Sep 08 16:32:04 :) Sep 08 16:32:43 i got file deletion to work Sep 08 16:32:49 using the fortune cookie service example Sep 08 16:33:14 so HP just needs to approve my update so i can push a new one Sep 08 16:33:43 awesome! Sep 08 16:33:51 I was actually pinging u about that :) Sep 08 16:34:25 yeah :) the service stuff is really neat in webos Sep 08 16:34:30 props to their devs Sep 08 16:34:55 umm... did anyone else get an email from tabletsupportforum. Sep 08 16:34:57 ? Sep 08 16:35:01 whats a good timeout for stop animation photos... 5 seconds? Sep 08 16:35:26 hmm.. variable? 1, 2, 5, 10? Sep 08 16:36:33 k, variable it is Sep 08 16:37:03 well, 1 second won't work probably b/c you have to wait for the mediacapture service to store the photo, then render to canvas Sep 08 16:37:07 but 2 seconds is probably doable Sep 08 16:37:35 so... it looks like Samsung is buynig Meego Sep 08 16:37:37 how quick can you get your hands in and out of a scene is really the question though Sep 08 16:37:40 http://www.usamarketnews.com/featured/6037/samsung-setting-up-to-go-with-meego-os.html Sep 08 16:38:02 zombie number 2 Sep 08 16:38:23 the thing about zombie number 1 though, is that it doesn't have any hardware Sep 08 16:39:58 well i wanna write javascript to browser, so my options are: webos or phonegap. Sep 08 16:40:36 not exactly interested in learning objective c, silverlight or a bunch of other isolated technologies. Sep 08 16:40:47 like java >_> Sep 08 16:41:00 or you know, C and QT Sep 08 16:41:09 or whatever it is that meego uses Sep 08 16:41:26 indeed, there is wider appeal in those, but neither exactly forward looking. Sep 08 16:41:50 well, define forward looking Sep 08 16:42:15 the web model of building things is coming, to desktop to mobile, one way or another. Sep 08 16:42:37 HP maybe not able to wait it out long enough, but they picked the right direction. Sep 08 16:42:54 hrm Sep 08 16:45:38 Samsung buying nokia? Sep 08 16:45:40 dont think so Sep 08 16:45:53 also the N9 is not yet released, the info is wrong. Sep 08 16:47:27 not nokia Sep 08 16:47:30 meego Sep 08 16:48:14 Nokia has pretty much put all it's eggs in the WP7 basket Sep 08 17:07:56 The N9's meego looks good to me Sep 08 17:08:25 I would consider buying it, but it will be like over 500eur which is a bit steep Sep 08 17:08:35 especially when the CEO said, we are going WP7 not Meego Sep 08 17:10:48 The N9 is a slick phone, just wish it had a slide out keyboard Sep 08 17:11:37 meego basically has less "big name app" support than webOS right? Sep 08 17:12:11 if webOS is dead, Meego is myth Sep 08 17:12:29 wtf is meego Sep 08 17:13:44 maemo is... Sep 08 17:17:04 Maemo kinda mergered into Meego in the N9 afaik Sep 08 17:19:00 yeah, I think was eaten by may be the best analogy Sep 08 17:19:52 hm guys .. can you help me? I've set up eclipse and web os SDK 2.1 and Virtual Box 3.2. Now I'm trying to run a hello world application and it used to run .. but now it doesn't find the device (emulator in this case).. what can I do about that? Sep 08 17:24:26 how are you trying to run it in the emulator Sep 08 17:24:31 is it via a commandline? Sep 08 17:26:34 no - it's via the web os plugin I've downloaded within eclipse Sep 08 17:26:46 I've started the emulator using the .bat file though Sep 08 17:28:52 Aoi-re: what OS are you using? Sep 08 17:29:20 I'm on Windows 7 32-bit.. so is eclipse and the JVM as well as VirtualBox Sep 08 17:30:26 Aoi-re: bummer...well, can you use the palm-* tools from the command line? Sep 08 17:30:50 so if you havea source dir, you can try: palm-run [source_dir] Sep 08 17:31:14 okay - will try that.. why bummer? does it run on 64-bit better? Sep 08 17:31:15 or if you have an .ipk you can do: palm-install the.ipk Sep 08 17:31:27 I mean .. the funny thing is: it DID work once .. yesterday or so Sep 08 17:31:45 Does anyone know if there is a way to disable tasks syncing on 1.4.5? Sep 08 17:31:46 Aoi-re: no, just easier to check on a system where you have novaterm Sep 08 17:32:11 oh.. I think I've installed novaterm though .. Sep 08 17:32:19 Aoi-re: may be as simple as changing USB ports, killing Java, or maybe go into device manager and disable/re-enable the USB ports Sep 08 17:32:45 even though I'm trying to use an emulator? not my real phone? Sep 08 17:32:53 oh Sep 08 17:32:54 sorry Sep 08 17:33:00 I'm thinking devices Sep 08 17:33:20 ah .. no .. my bad .. i'm trying to run my hello world app on the emulator (at first) Sep 08 17:33:23 well, if the command line tools don't work, something is screwy with your java Sep 08 17:33:38 if they do work, then something is screwy with eclipse Sep 08 17:33:42 okay hang on trying that - and thank you for helping Sep 08 17:35:00 palm-run also reports "no devices found" Sep 08 17:35:14 well, I'd bounce the emu first Sep 08 17:35:23 i wish the camera worked on the emu Sep 08 17:35:25 in WIndows, it sometimes gets a little screwy Sep 08 17:35:40 ok so what do you suggest? restarting it? or .. reinstalling? Sep 08 17:35:43 I never had issues in Ubuntu, but I've had to restart the emu a lot since I moved back to Windows Sep 08 17:35:49 just restart it Sep 08 17:36:11 if i plug in a local web cam, would the emulator pick up on the camera device? Sep 08 17:36:19 sorry for another stupid question: how do I do that in VirtualBox? Sep 08 17:36:19 jthawkins: no Sep 08 17:36:40 Aoi-re: just kill it and run palm-emulator again Sep 08 17:36:44 sugardave: thats a bummer; but thanks for the info Sep 08 17:36:54 ah okay Sep 08 17:36:55 jthawkins: it would be cool, though :D Sep 08 17:37:13 sugardave: :) agreed, it would make testing much easier Sep 08 17:38:41 what is everyones thoughts on in app items? Sep 08 17:39:03 i'm trying to decide wether to pack a nice feature in an item, or drop it in the package Sep 08 17:39:09 strange .. I restarted the emulator using the commandline and then retried palm-run, yet it still does not find the device :/ Sep 08 17:40:09 anyone having trouble loading the App Catalog on TP? Sep 08 17:40:36 probably overwhelmed by the traffic of people downloading my app Sep 08 17:40:38 sorry about that Sep 08 17:40:39 :) Sep 08 17:41:29 hah Sep 08 17:48:25 is it possible to use a palm pre plus without a sim card ? i.e. as a pda, music player, wifi browser, and such Sep 08 17:49:54 Famic_: you can put it in dev mode, I'll find a link Sep 08 17:50:07 DraX: ping Sep 08 17:50:35 Aoi-re: that sucks...looks like you're on the reboot plan Sep 08 17:50:46 Famic_: Bit limited but hey: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Sep 08 17:50:47 haydn: I was using it with a sim card previously, and afaik dev mode was still activated when I removed it. Any info can be useful though :) Sep 08 17:52:05 haydn: looks interesting, ty Sep 08 17:52:09 yes apparently I'm rebooting .. that's also another solution I've just read somewhere Sep 08 17:52:17 I'll report back .. damn I hate it.. Sep 08 17:52:28 Aoi-re: not been a windows user long? ;) Sep 08 17:52:58 lol Sep 08 17:52:59 windows actually never made me reboot except for installing it .. my windows box ran several months without a reboot - and I was using it for Photoshop and games Sep 08 17:53:26 you are an anomaly, I am in wonder :P Sep 08 17:53:34 I've now even tried to restart palm novacom and palm tcprelay drivers .. no luck :/ Sep 08 17:53:43 err .. not drivers, services Sep 08 17:53:54 I find Windows OK until something goes wrong, then I can never figure out how to fix it without rebooting. At least with Linux it pretty much tells you what's wrong in the logs Sep 08 17:53:58 one last thing you MIGHT try Sep 08 17:54:01 before rebooting Sep 08 17:54:23 is go into task manager and kill every java process you can find...which might impact other things ,so make sure you really want to do that Sep 08 17:57:32 does anyone have an example of how to do in app items? Sep 08 17:57:56 jthawkins: I think there is an article on the developer blog Sep 08 17:58:02 maybe Sep 08 17:58:33 searching again... Sep 08 18:00:06 jthawkins: this might be useful: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/in-app-payment.html Sep 08 18:01:47 Thanks, I've actually seen that before but had trouble seeing how i tell my js source that a feature has been purchased Sep 08 18:03:19 jthawkins: you use the service Sep 08 18:03:30 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/in-app-payment.html Sep 08 18:03:44 and get the item info, I presume...if there's no info, it hasn't finished purchasing Sep 08 18:06:10 ah cool, and the list of purchased items will be avilable off line as well? Sep 08 18:06:45 that I don't know Sep 08 18:06:52 I would err on the side of "no" Sep 08 18:07:35 hm I'll probably end up rebooting .. but say: if I want to develop for the HP Veer (I basically just want to see if/what I can make), which is WebOS 2.1.1 .. I should use the SDK 2.1.1, right? not 3.0.2 (even though it offers other images to test the software on o_O?) Sep 08 18:08:15 jthawkins: actually, looks like receipts are stored for the app for each item purchased Sep 08 18:08:24 no clue how to access them, but there it is Sep 08 18:08:31 yeah :) appreciate the info Sep 08 18:09:49 Aoi-re: you can use the latest SDK, but you need to write no Enyo code and stick with Mojo or other HTML app Sep 08 18:10:35 hm.. should I install the latest SDK then - what do you think? Sep 08 18:11:05 I would install the latest one, but I always do that :D Sep 08 18:11:27 ookay ... hm then uninstalling yay.. D: Sep 08 18:11:42 it should uninstall the old when you install the new Sep 08 18:12:00 never trust a windows installer ^^ Sep 08 18:12:04 hehe Sep 08 18:12:07 good point Sep 08 18:12:26 I really do like windows ... but I think I'd not be using Windows if I wasn't that used to it Sep 08 18:20:18 Looks like I might have finally got an (AZERTY :<) Pre 3 :D Sep 08 18:40:49 Xuzz: nice Sep 08 18:45:50 Aoi-re: once you get used to linux you'd find it impossible to go back to Windows without pulling all your hair out! Sep 08 18:49:37 Xuzz: omg how where and how much XD Sep 08 18:50:25 eighthree: palm eurostore £170 Sep 08 18:50:36 so jealous.. Sep 08 18:50:44 would there be a chance for me to nab one Sep 08 18:50:54 Went on sale at 17:00 BST: http://images.luzernsolutions.com/images/palm-bundle/hp-pre3-bundle-eng-web.html Sep 08 18:51:09 its euro tho Sep 08 18:51:10 only shipping to Europe Sep 08 18:51:12 Still in stock apparently, only ships to some euro countries Sep 08 18:51:18 aw Sep 08 18:51:45 azerty vs. querty Sep 08 18:52:55 in canada atm :( Sep 08 18:54:59 i could deal with shipping only to EU, but need a QWERTY Sep 08 18:55:29 yeah Sep 08 18:55:30 haydn: not true about going to linux; it depends on the distro Sep 08 18:55:34 bn Sep 08 18:55:49 new Ubuntu (11.10) is driving me CRAZY with citrix Sep 08 18:55:58 miss debian + xfce4 Sep 08 18:56:02 stupid keyboard. Was gonna mention the azerty Sep 08 18:56:17 can't you just remap keys? Sep 08 18:56:33 I did that on a german laptop I had at work. still drove me nuts Sep 08 19:01:10 hrm ~$285 USD for the azerty pre3... Sep 08 19:02:12 somebody who knows how gif tracking works...so, GA mobile says that you can maually request the gif from your server and then "you must embed in your mobile site." Why? Haven't you already made the request? Does it REALLY have to flow all the way into the document on the mobile device? Sep 08 19:02:16 but then you have to use azerty Sep 08 19:02:41 sugardave they do that just to make it complicated. Sep 08 19:02:47 COMPLICATED I SAY Sep 08 19:03:07 reeeeeeeeeeemap Sep 08 19:03:22 how do they know if it's in the html you send to the browser, it's just a damn .gif Sep 08 19:03:27 * halfhalo laughs manically Sep 08 19:03:30 it's not like it can call home or anything Sep 08 19:04:13 sugardave: is that requesting the gif vs using a script tag? Sep 08 19:04:22 oh jesus... my laptop is trying to sync 50 megs over wifi... Sep 08 19:04:28 dwc-: yeah, you request it directly Sep 08 19:04:54 and I have it Sep 08 19:05:03 man :( still no luck .. reinstalled sdk, rebooted .. Sep 08 19:05:05 but GA still says tracking is not installed Sep 08 19:05:12 i dunno, maybe there is some antiquated browser that doesn't actually get the gif until you stick it in the dom? Sep 08 19:05:15 the tracking is done based on hits to gif on the google-analytics server Sep 08 19:05:47 right, so when I request it with a valid account ID, it should at least show that tracking is on Sep 08 19:05:50 I'd think Sep 08 19:06:11 not sure what the tracking looks like exactly Sep 08 19:06:27 it could also be GA is being slow and not updating the tracking status Sep 08 19:06:46 iirc, the javascript usually document.write's an img tag so the browser requests the tag with the UA- id on it Sep 08 19:06:50 halfhalo: true, and my test from the other week may have had an incorrect account id Sep 08 19:07:20 dundun.... Sep 08 19:07:22 dwc-: I'm basically using the server-side method and mapping it into js functions...can't just use ga.js directly Sep 08 19:07:48 * halfhalo needs this class to start, then to end so he can go steal some ram and make his server work Sep 08 19:07:52 server-side method? Sep 08 19:07:56 that script doesn't like you to report stats from documents loaded from file:// Sep 08 19:08:13 right, because the referer tag is of less use Sep 08 19:08:32 dwc-: well, the call it "mobile website" method...and provide JSP/PHP snippets to do it that way Sep 08 19:08:50 and those snippets build a request for the gif with certain parms, etc....then you get the gif back Sep 08 19:09:02 and then they say "embed into document" Sep 08 19:09:15 but I don't think I should have to do that/can't get that to work anyway :P Sep 08 19:09:15 you know what's funny? I can't use the emulator, but I can use the actual phone .. odd .. really really odd Sep 08 19:09:19 ah, so basically it does what ga.js does Sep 08 19:09:23 right Sep 08 19:09:28 but server-side, gotcha Sep 08 19:10:09 I think you should have to do that (or pre-render the output from ga.js or the php/jsp version) Sep 08 19:10:17 and embed either one of those in your app Sep 08 19:10:29 At what times of the day do they update the download count on my webos developer page? Sep 08 19:10:52 dwc-: but my thought is that if I build the ajax request and get the gif back, shouldn't that be enough? Sep 08 19:11:22 it's going to be a local gif now when I put it in the document, so it's not like they can know that part happened Sep 08 19:11:43 and it doesn't come wrapped in a link or have any js or anything like that Sep 08 19:11:46 I'm not sure that works if you're pullign the local link Sep 08 19:11:48 it just is Sep 08 19:12:03 I guess I don't know what exactly you're doing, but as long as you make something so that the browser makes the appropriate call to the GA-hosted gif with the appropriate params, you should be fine Sep 08 19:12:19 okay, I will eventually make this work Sep 08 19:12:26 thanks for your input :D Sep 08 19:13:36 http://code.google.com/mobile/analytics/docs/web/ ? Sep 08 19:18:24 sounds like your webpage -> your server -> their provided /ga.{php,jsp,etc} -> your server makes call to google analytics gif Sep 08 19:18:49 wow guys I figured out why the emulator didnt like me :O Sep 08 19:19:00 it's because I somehow managed to break my emulator image :/ Sep 08 19:19:13 I did palm-emulator --reset=IMAGE and it worked afterwards Sep 08 19:19:13 so one possible reason you're not seeing anything is if your webserver doesn't allow the webserver user outbound connections Sep 08 19:21:43 dwc-: I can do anything, it's webOS! Sep 08 19:21:48 lies Sep 08 19:23:10 $250 CAD for the PRE3 AZERTY Sep 08 19:23:11 D: Sep 08 19:27:26 a corollary question would be, I have now received a .gif image and let's assume that I MUST put it in my document...how do you take a .gif response as binary and turn it into an element? Sep 08 19:29:01 sugardave: are you accouting for any headers that may be in a normal direct gif request from google, but not in your hacked up method? Sep 08 19:30:24 sugardave: an element requires a path Sep 08 19:30:25 no.....I'm trying easy things first Sep 08 19:30:40 ya, I dont think its that easy Sep 08 19:30:56 so, you'd need to write your gif binary blob and save it somewhere Sep 08 19:31:00 presumably Sep 08 19:31:03 rwatkins: wth not?!?! they make it sound that easy on the mobile website page :P Sep 08 19:31:12 I integrated google mobile tracking into a rails mobile website - so not using the script method. was not trivial. Sep 08 19:31:26 rwatkins: oh, awesome Sep 08 19:31:31 used this: https://github.com/moneyspyder/GA-Ruby-Expanded-Mobile-Tracking/tree/master/RailsApplication1/ Sep 08 19:31:47 cool, thanks! Sep 08 19:31:47 code here may be helpful to work thru what you need to deal with passing along. Sep 08 19:37:06 Sep 08 19:37:44 or rather Sep 08 19:37:57 Sep 08 19:37:58 dwc, oooo, how about Sep 08 19:38:07 hmmm Sep 08 19:38:55 I dont think your issue is embedding the image in the dom, its getting the correct headers and url passed in your code requesting the image. Sep 08 19:39:14 in js can you new Image() something? Sep 08 19:39:23 BB__ (or BB_, idk): http://twitter.com/mpt45/status/111880578579697665 Sep 08 19:40:27 that ruby code requests the image on behalf of the browser, but requires header info present in the html page request to the server to make an acceptable image request to google. Sep 08 19:41:14 and I think part of that is storing the cookie. Sep 08 19:41:17 rwatkins: that's probably a big part of it, too...I'm going to see if I can get the same info Sep 08 19:41:46 this time the cookie needing to be stored for you domain, not googles, as the browser is never making a request to google. Sep 08 19:41:50 so the server has to proxy the cookie info. Sep 08 19:42:32 once your proxying cookie data, you know you've headed down the path of madness though. Sep 08 19:42:44 yeah, this sounds undesirable Sep 08 19:43:06 proxying cookie data? ugh Sep 08 19:43:17 I've done it and see other systems that do this for tracking purposes, but just looks like chaos. Sep 08 19:54:04 anyone know how to get internet on the emulator, through a proxy (using vbox) Sep 08 19:54:25 what's your vbox networking setup look like? Sep 08 19:54:42 Hi Shadyman Sep 08 19:55:05 Adapter 1: PCnet-FAST III (NAT) Sep 08 19:56:07 not seeing anywhere to set up the proxy Sep 08 19:56:18 and unfortunately webos doesn't have a setting for that Sep 08 19:56:20 you shouldn't have to set up a proxy Sep 08 19:56:37 what OS is your vbox host? Sep 08 19:56:42 well, its not connecting to the web, and im behind a proxy, so its my only assumption Sep 08 19:56:45 Windows XP Sep 08 19:57:02 ohh... your host is behind a proxy Sep 08 19:57:08 *nod* Sep 08 19:57:46 there is a non-gui way to set a system proxy Sep 08 19:58:27 oh? that is news to me Sep 08 19:58:42 now I should only have to worry about "proxying" cookies for one entity anyway...so that should make it a little simpler Sep 08 19:59:54 jthawkins: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12252&start=0 Sep 08 20:00:33 oh oh that looks promising Sep 08 20:00:38 sugardave: just the one google cookie Sep 08 20:00:50 there's also this Sep 08 20:00:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_Emulator_Networking_Proxy_Firewall Sep 08 20:01:07 which socksifies the entire luna manager Sep 08 20:01:16 rwatkins: I mean I can just store everything I'd need in an app cookie and can use that to build my request Sep 08 20:01:35 and not worry about "is this cookie for the right visitor" Sep 08 20:01:39 it's always the same visitor Sep 08 20:03:41 ya, and I guess you just make up your own user id the first time. Sep 08 20:04:42 right, some hash of the device id or something Sep 08 20:05:02 well, now all my play time is gone, it will have to wait for a new lull Sep 08 20:08:41 dwc: sweet, that worked great for the proxy Sep 08 20:16:23 oh, sounds like good news is coming on the GVoice app front, the approval guy was just playing with the app and called me with it :D Sep 08 20:18:14 EricBlade: haha nice Sep 08 20:18:39 EricBlade: wait, GVoice app? care to explain? Sep 08 20:18:46 or point me to a websit? Sep 08 20:18:51 I've been looking for a decent one Sep 08 20:19:03 summatusmentis: http://www.ericbla.de/gvoice-webos Sep 08 20:20:49 EricBlade: ooh, enyo only Sep 08 20:20:53 that's still sorta neat Sep 08 20:21:02 I just want one with notifications on my pre Sep 08 20:24:27 screenshots man, screenshots Sep 08 20:24:51 first thing after app description and feature summary should be a screenshot :) Sep 08 20:25:11 and with a screenshot, I often dont even need that. Sep 08 20:25:30 yaya google voice Sep 08 20:25:58 EricBlade: the bluetooth thing will be awesome Sep 08 20:26:54 rwatkins: http://ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/?page_id=7 Sep 08 20:27:55 i'll make a front page for the blog, i've been doing actual paying work since i submitted that.. other than some bug fixes and layout adjustments that will go into the first update Sep 08 20:33:30 ah ok. love me some sliding panes Sep 08 20:34:00 probalby dont need the grabbutton on the left most pane Sep 08 20:43:30 in app items service (palm payment service) is coming back with an error on getItem Sep 08 20:43:36 just says offline basically Sep 08 20:43:45 is it b/c this doesn't work in the emulator? Sep 08 20:47:44 no Sep 08 20:47:50 need to be able to get to the app catalog Sep 08 20:51:55 rwatkins: you're probably right. i couldn't figure out -why- apps have a grab button on the left hand panes that doesn't seem to do anything Sep 08 20:52:56 ok, it truly drives me insane that notifications are all queued while the touchpad is in Exhibition mode Sep 08 20:53:30 dashboard things show up, but the BannerMessages all queue Sep 08 20:53:45 so when i take it out of exhibition mode, the last 200 skype messages all slide by one by one Sep 08 20:54:40 don't send banners in exhibition mode? :D Sep 08 20:55:18 oh when other apps are in exhibition, I see Sep 08 20:55:26 can't you group them like email does? Sep 08 20:55:34 not my app Sep 08 20:55:46 it's the stock messenger Sep 08 20:55:49 ah Sep 08 20:56:06 it groups them on the dashboard, but i guess they don't expect you to leave messenger running while in exhibition Sep 08 20:56:08 oh skype, was thinking you were talking about your gvoice app Sep 08 20:56:15 I"m on the phone, so only half-brained Sep 08 20:56:34 hell i don't even have messenger running, ti's coming from Synergy Sep 08 20:56:40 yep Sep 08 21:14:51 hmm. it's not the alerts that are queued .. it's that the skype synergy plugin just sucks Sep 08 21:17:26 woo so Sep 08 21:17:41 my update went through right. well. my screenshots are all sideways. Sep 08 21:17:50 actually they're vertical when they should be sideways. Sep 08 21:17:57 i've noticed that a ton on the catalog Sep 08 21:17:59 HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN Sep 08 21:18:06 and then you rotate your device and it rotates the image Sep 08 21:18:13 i KNOW Sep 08 21:20:34 so you end up turning your head sideways Sep 08 21:37:34 rotation lock Sep 08 21:43:15 big thanks to whomever fixed my screenshots. =) Sep 08 21:47:58 good lord my webserver is slow wtf Sep 08 21:51:19 anyone know what our user-agent is in the webos browser? i'm searching my logs and not seeing anything obvious Sep 08 21:52:29 oops, found it. hpwOS/3.0.2 Sep 08 21:57:54 EricBlade: Who's your host Sep 08 21:58:08 eighthree: it's sitting on a computer right next to me Sep 08 21:58:22 ahh. what setup is it ;o Sep 08 21:59:26 it's a 3.2ghz core 2 with 6 gig ram, running a wamp Sep 08 21:59:42 rwhitby: Could I borrow some of your time trying to fix this webOS Doctor issue? I'm afraid it's a bit above my skill level Sep 08 22:00:35 errade: does it reboot or hang at that point? Sep 08 22:01:01 Hangs at that point Sep 08 22:01:08 ahh wamp >< Sep 08 22:02:03 errade: what it's likely to be doing at that point is trying to recover a flash memory filesystem error. you can try a battery pull and re-run doctor a couple of times first. Sep 08 22:02:40 I've repeated the process 4 times now - I let the first alone for 35 minutes with no progression Sep 08 22:02:58 Have also attempted novacom reinstall and redownloaded the doctor (though as you say, it seems that's not the issue) Sep 08 22:03:28 errade: this time the issue is on the device Sep 08 22:05:05 f me Sep 08 22:05:20 couldn't remember my mysql password. Sep 08 22:05:22 finally got it Sep 08 22:05:26 changed it to something new I could remember Sep 08 22:05:31 and I must have mistyped it twice. Sep 08 22:05:33 fudge. Sep 08 22:05:57 whoopsie Sep 08 22:06:18 my webOS emulator for anything less than the resolution of the touchpad is still borked Sep 08 22:06:23 showing the large touchpad icons :| Sep 08 22:06:42 rwhitby: I'm looking at the wiki; seems it's not a Bootie issue since I can enter recovery mode. You think it's the NVRAM partition? Sep 08 22:08:29 errade: no, it's a USB partition filesystem corruption Sep 08 22:08:41 nothing to do with bootie or nvram or doctor or novacom Sep 08 22:13:47 rwhitby: I'll be honest, I'm struggling to find the relevant wiki page Sep 08 22:14:38 rwhitby: Strike that - just found it :p Sep 08 22:30:12 touchpad is glitchin Sep 08 22:33:01 rwhitby: Think there may be an underlying problem; can't enter recovery mode now. Instead of the USB sign, I get a bang and the URL www.palm.com/ROM Sep 08 22:35:19 if you get any screen logo at all, it means bootie is still in place and recovery is available Sep 08 22:36:17 erggh, so it just turns out mysqladmin hated my new passworde Sep 08 22:36:39 rwhitby: Understood - will keep trying. Thanks, I do appreciate it Sep 08 22:37:23 errade: if the hang persists at that point, then you need to do the lvm clobbering procedure in the wiki Sep 08 22:37:43 errade: if that fails to fix it, then it's a hardware problem with the flash memory Sep 08 22:42:00 OH yay apparently it was so slow due to DNS resolution, once i specified my hostnames, it got really quick Sep 08 22:42:57 rwhitby: How was Sydney? I couldn't do any events because of nasty work rostering (getting up at 4 in the morning for work and living 1hr+ out of town isn't conducive to it!) Sep 08 22:47:16 rwhitby: webOS Doctor is at 28% and counting. I owe you one. Sep 08 22:47:59 Hendikins: lots of fun, and great to meet Richard. Sep 08 22:49:19 * Hendikins nods Sep 08 22:50:19 Sure beats the being yelled at, sworn at, spat at and paperwork I've been dealing with in the last couple of days. Sep 08 22:54:24 hmmm what does webos suppor in the way of push notifications? Sep 08 22:54:52 umm. Sep 08 22:58:06 rwhitby: Have donated to show my appreciation. Good night :) Sep 08 23:04:55 hmm. 350MB RAM free on my touchpad, and i can't open a card Sep 08 23:06:48 so everyone should go download wild'n 1.4.1 Sep 08 23:06:55 like, everyone. kthxbye Sep 08 23:20:59 anyone know of a better image manipulation app than "Image Worker"? Sep 08 23:34:21 Hi all, anyone having trouble downloading woqi 4.3.1? Sep 08 23:36:37 rwhitby: i figured out wordpress a little better, put some screenshots and info on the front page, moved the blog/comments to a second page Sep 08 23:51:36 * EricBlade chuckles at the app store getting the review classifications all screwey.. "Positive reviews: ... this game sucks, don't buy it." Sep 09 00:17:36 the wIRC dev is here right? I heard something about an update? Sep 09 00:19:39 its been driving me nuts lately Sep 09 00:20:08 there's a #wirc Sep 09 00:20:26 oh? Sep 09 00:20:29 4 more new apps (webos newsletter email) Sep 09 00:20:37 true dat Sep 09 00:20:39 where? Sep 09 00:20:52 * dwc- pulls out touchpad to claim them before they run out Sep 09 00:20:54 link Sep 09 00:22:02 dunno, it doesn't have a link in it Sep 09 00:22:09 I can pastebin it though, hold Sep 09 00:22:13 k Sep 09 00:23:57 gentlemen Sep 09 00:23:59 It's official Sep 09 00:24:38 ? Sep 09 00:25:20 ? Sep 09 00:26:58 ? Sep 09 00:27:07 http://pastebin.com/4NR0zjBF Sep 09 00:27:08 hey guhs Sep 09 00:27:50 thanks dwc- Sep 09 00:28:30 (had to remove all the links, since they're tied to my email) Sep 09 00:32:00 wow finally got some of them lol Sep 09 00:32:03 thx Sep 09 00:32:12 much obliged sir Sep 09 00:32:29 anybody have wirc? Sep 09 00:35:36 sure Sep 09 01:05:57 anybody else get an email with a bunch of free app codes? Sep 09 01:06:07 yep Sep 09 01:06:10 17:21 < dwc-> http://pastebin.com/4NR0zjBF Sep 09 01:06:13 they keep up like this, and i'll own the app store, without paying for it .. *bonus* Sep 09 01:07:03 I hope they share more love with our overseas brethen Sep 09 01:07:11 and more phone apps, not just touchpad ones Sep 09 01:07:39 i guess a lot of people must've got 'em the app store is slowing to a halt Sep 09 01:08:29 I was actually able to claim with those codes this time Sep 09 01:08:36 I rode the failboat last time Sep 09 01:09:37 i got one of the two sets they did before, the first one, it took me too long to realize they were serious Sep 09 01:09:45 :) Sep 09 01:10:23 I've managed to get all of them before the slickdeals/fatwallet/etc'ers kill the store Sep 09 01:10:37 luckily I've had time to tap teh touchpad a few times Sep 09 01:11:00 (and good thing I've been taking it to work even though I dont' use it) Sep 09 01:20:25 * haeffb watching Modern Family thru Video Flood HD Sep 09 01:21:15 framerate is a bit low Sep 09 01:24:43 Y'know, what ever happened to that whole HP cloud music thing? Sep 09 01:31:49 i've got more apps on my touchpad now than on my ipod. i still use my ipod apps more though Sep 09 01:32:04 each ipod app, i look at, though, and i go "this doesn't translate to a sizeable screen" Sep 09 01:36:07 * haeffb still looking for iPhone 5 on Sprint Sep 09 01:37:40 still looking for an iphone 27 Sep 09 01:37:43 i'll give it a year Sep 09 01:38:07 lol Sep 09 01:40:52 Hmm... http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2011/09/bluetooth-goodfet-for-n900.html Sep 09 01:41:06 bluetooth GoodFET. Drool. Sep 09 01:41:14 * Shadyman ponders Touchpad GoodFETting Sep 09 01:42:13 I'll have so much fun once I get some time.. $7 bluetooth modules from dealextreme, they have TX/RX and the Serial Profile. Sep 09 01:42:17 bluetooth Everything. Sep 09 01:42:23 wth is going on? http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/hp-transfers-webos-the-pc-group-the-games-afoot-171631 Sep 09 01:42:27 Whoa, way curious now. Samsung released an app for their Mango handsets that adds GLONASS? Sep 09 01:42:55 Bmyers: Exactly what they said was going to happen. They're moving the software side away from the hardware side. Sep 09 01:43:18 That article is full of trolololing anyways Sep 09 01:43:52 Actually, all that article is is trolling. Sep 09 01:45:20 trolololing sounds better.. Sep 09 01:46:12 hmm. I'm bored. Maybe I should get bluez compiled for the tp so I can enable btscan Sep 09 01:46:37 hmm. BT packet sniffing? Sep 09 01:47:20 I has a lapcat :D Sep 09 01:48:31 Just a basic scanning capability. Just finds nearby discoverable devices Sep 09 01:49:27 ah Sep 09 01:49:28 I can separate it into another package so you dont need bluez by default Sep 09 01:50:10 It's be cool to have a notification panel applet to turn on or off kismet w/o going to xterm Sep 09 02:23:28 app cat freaking out again? Sep 09 02:24:07 uhm Sep 09 02:24:11 yeah Sep 09 02:24:24 pretty sure it's down. power outage in southern CA Sep 09 02:24:32 wrea: do you have a wifi monitor mode running? Sep 09 02:30:07 webOS's servers in in socal? Sep 09 02:31:15 more likely up in sunnyvale Sep 09 02:36:02 fxspec06: photfunia.. cant get there from here.. Sep 09 02:36:50 Argh... Sep 09 02:36:59 I think I killed the catalog Sep 09 02:37:28 it was me b/c I tried to redeem a US code with my Mexico profile, let's just wait till they reboot their servers ;) Sep 09 02:39:42 profiling is just wrong.. Sep 09 02:40:58 Bmyers: You did not live in the phone era :P Once you activated the phone, the phone was stuck to a region and there was no way to change that Sep 09 02:41:37 i what? Sep 09 02:43:11 the Pre, Pre+, Pre2, Pixis, all were locked to the region they were first activated Sep 09 02:43:43 With the TouchPad at least we have the option to create a new profile in another country and use it :D Sep 09 02:44:42 yeah. i have a pre. been around a little long than you think.. Sep 09 02:45:16 what about the pre3? Sep 09 02:45:21 aah, sorry, I just don't remember you being around here ;) Sep 09 02:45:22 i think its weird that it gets locked like that ;( Sep 09 02:45:28 http://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/111992157937745920 Sep 09 02:45:42 rwhitby could enlighten us on Veer/Pre3, I think they work the same as the TouchPad Sep 09 02:46:16 NuttyBunny: no, phones work the same - you need Impostah to activate Sep 09 02:46:43 I'm gonna start hating these promo code giveaways. The make the app catalog servers just fall over and I cant use the app. Sep 09 02:47:00 rwhitby: Thanks, good to know for when (and if) I get myself a Pre 3 to test the messaging plugins :) Sep 09 02:48:26 Does Impostah do anything re: account location restrictions? Sep 09 02:49:24 Shadyman: It lets you first activate your phone in a different region than yours to say, use the US app catalog while living in another country Sep 09 02:49:43 you still need a US card to buy paid apps, but at least it gives you the possibility Sep 09 02:50:02 (US Profile, needs US, Canada or Mexico credit card) Sep 09 02:51:20 also, if you have a touchpad, you can choose the region on that, and then put the same profile on a phone to change the phone region Sep 09 02:52:37 But, there's no "easy" way to change a profile region, is it? I think my profile is still stuck to Mexico... which means no promo codes for me... *sigh* Sep 09 02:56:37 NuttyBunny: Nope, you can't just change a region outright, AFAIK Sep 09 02:56:50 but if you make a new profile, you don't get all your apps copied over, AFAIK? Sep 09 02:58:40 Shadyman: Exactly, and I have my pretty hefty share of apps, free and paid Sep 09 02:58:47 yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 09 02:59:57 2011