**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 10 02:59:58 2011 Sep 10 03:02:07 Holy crap Sep 10 03:02:16 hpshopping.ca: Your order has been shipped! Sep 10 03:05:08 Impressive. I only ordered it a week before the announcement was made ;) Sep 10 03:05:58 Yay employee purchase plan :D Sep 10 03:06:18 you work for hp ? Sep 10 03:09:06 * EricBlade cheers Shadyman Sep 10 03:09:07 Well, not really Sep 10 03:09:33 I'm an Event Sales Rep with a marketing company that does HP's in-store stuff in Canada Sep 10 03:09:52 aka I'm "That HP Guy" in Staples/Best Buy/Costco/wherever Sep 10 03:11:00 but my TP EPP order still had to go through the HP internal buyer Sep 10 03:11:06 Shadyman, what part of the country? Sep 10 03:11:17 PatrickC: Ottawa Sep 10 03:11:48 The marketing company and the HP office that deals with marketing are both pretty much next door to each other in Mississagua Sep 10 03:11:51 * PatrickC has no clue where that is :) Sep 10 03:12:04 nation's capital.. 4 hours northeast of Toronto Sep 10 03:12:16 ah.. canada lol Sep 10 03:12:19 im in the US :) Sep 10 03:12:21 hehe Sep 10 03:13:09 bbl Sep 10 03:14:06 PsWii60: So no, I don't work for HP, but I wear their logo all day while I'm in retail stores representing them ;) Sep 10 03:15:11 lol Sep 10 03:15:56 didnt have to be gone long lol Sep 10 03:16:01 ok.. time to work on the app :) Sep 10 03:16:01 heh Sep 10 03:16:12 you get discounts on everything hp? Sep 10 03:16:40 PsWii60: Not everything, no. Sep 10 03:17:08 but I think we're getting into 'uncomfortable' territory for me here ;) Sep 10 03:17:25 * Shadyman needs an adult! Sep 10 03:17:31 lol Sep 10 03:17:44 * PatrickC needs to get this permissions fixed! Sep 10 03:17:56 PatrickC: Which? Sep 10 03:17:57 but first.. to get this.log working.. Sep 10 03:18:01 media Sep 10 03:18:20 Shadyman: lol @ uncomfortable territory. Sep 10 03:18:34 I didn't ask you for your badge ID unless your % off gives that away :P Sep 10 03:18:58 hehe Sep 10 03:19:06 hmm.. anyone have this.log working? i cant seem to get it ro fire.. Sep 10 03:19:06 nah Sep 10 03:19:08 to* Sep 10 03:19:11 24.851% Sep 10 03:19:22 ahh badge number 18101480849 Sep 10 03:19:24 PatrickC: does it specifically have to be this.log? Sep 10 03:19:34 PsWii60: No badge number :) Sep 10 03:19:36 thats what the example uses Sep 10 03:19:39 heh Sep 10 03:19:47 PatrickC: try console.log ? Sep 10 03:19:54 * PatrickC tried Sep 10 03:19:56 tries* Sep 10 03:20:00 it might be an inheritance thing Sep 10 03:20:44 PsWii60: Either way I'm not holding myself out as an HP employee in here ;) Sep 10 03:20:56 I'll leave that for the real HP employees Sep 10 03:21:04 lol k Sep 10 03:21:06 * PatrickC loves ubuntu :) Sep 10 03:21:17 ^ Sep 10 03:21:22 KDE > Gnome Sep 10 03:21:28 Shadyman, get OTG working? :P Sep 10 03:21:34 ick. kde Sep 10 03:21:44 wrea: If I could find where I put my USB hubs, maybe. Sep 10 03:21:59 once i give something media permissions, how to i revolk those permissions? Sep 10 03:22:00 I've got *2*. They can't have gone THAT far. Sep 10 03:22:06 revoke* Sep 10 03:22:23 haha Sep 10 03:22:42 Shadyman, it worked! Sep 10 03:22:45 console.log worked Sep 10 03:22:48 whee Sep 10 03:22:51 now.. im getting errors! Sep 10 03:22:55 * PatrickC *sigh* Sep 10 03:23:00 Yay! (I think?)( Sep 10 03:24:11 hmm... Sep 10 03:24:21 com.palm.mediapermissions is not running. Sep 10 03:27:20 and the dev site isnt very helpful :/ Sep 10 03:27:23 wrea: Anythign you want me to try with my microUSB to USB dongle? Sep 10 03:27:39 wrea: Could it have anything to do with (IIRC) the sense pin on the microUSB? Sep 10 03:28:20 Tibfib, u around? Sep 10 03:28:52 * PatrickC takes a look at Koto's code.. though not sure where *to* look Sep 10 03:30:27 well, that's interesting. I got a "lots of broken graphics" review on my app. I can't recall anywhere that I used any graphics, other than the logo.. Sep 10 03:31:01 Well, actually confirming host mode with ext. power would be good Sep 10 03:31:02 http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/showthread.php?80-Wild-n-Video-Poker-HD-App-showcase-and-Giveaway Sep 10 03:31:24 I'm thinking OTG is a combo of software and the sense pin Sep 10 03:32:17 wrea: I'm not sure this adapter actually *uses* the sense pin. I might have to crack it open and pull the line high Sep 10 03:33:02 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 10 03:33:10 * PatrickC pasts log Sep 10 03:33:16 maybe DougReeder could help :) Sep 10 03:33:21 PatrickC: hm? Sep 10 03:33:35 * DougReeder smiles "with what?" Sep 10 03:33:36 Tibfib, it was with mediapermissions Sep 10 03:33:43 i fixed it *almost* Sep 10 03:33:54 http://pastebin.com/euv6ydmX Sep 10 03:33:55 ............... Sep 10 03:34:00 DougReeder, with that ;) Sep 10 03:34:08 almost. Sep 10 03:34:12 Tibfib, what? Sep 10 03:34:24 yes.. it now calls, and onSuccess fires. Sep 10 03:34:29 but i get the above error Sep 10 03:34:30 looks like you have an internal database error. Sep 10 03:34:36 Tibfib, i know that Sep 10 03:34:40 but idk what that is/means Sep 10 03:34:40 oh Sep 10 03:35:00 you should probably try fixing that Sep 10 03:35:16 sounds like it is a device problem and not necessarily your code problem Sep 10 03:35:28 http://pastebin.com/53FEsyac <- is my scene Sep 10 03:35:28 try the code on a diff device Sep 10 03:35:31 if same error Sep 10 03:35:34 you screwed the pooch Sep 10 03:35:40 fxspec06: Done. Sep 10 03:35:46 Tibfib, umm.. i only have one touchpad i can use atm Sep 10 03:35:55 you have a pre2. Sep 10 03:36:00 its enyo Sep 10 03:36:04 Sorry, I haven't dealt with media permissions, and the error messages don't suggest anything to me. Sep 10 03:36:17 haven't you bragged about having enyo on your pre2 for the last 4 months? Sep 10 03:36:22 i can email someone the IPK if they r willing to try Sep 10 03:36:38 Tibfib, yes. but mediapermissions and mediacapture r 2 of the things that dont work on phones Sep 10 03:36:55 thats quite a few women on your contact list EricBlade Sep 10 03:36:58 goooood to know Sep 10 03:37:02 plov: all fake Sep 10 03:37:07 lol Sep 10 03:37:08 Does it happen in the Emu,ator? Sep 10 03:37:22 DougReeder, cant use the emu.. dont have vbox installed, and im not installing it Sep 10 03:37:25 hmm.. *thinks* i think i've got 2 guys on my list Sep 10 03:37:31 i only have 512mv RAM... Sep 10 03:37:33 http://img0.humorsharing.com/public/files/posts/images/1005/statistics-008.jpg Sep 10 03:38:08 mb* Sep 10 03:38:22 Despite the time it takes, you might want to re-doctor. Sep 10 03:38:37 DougReeder, im going to make sure its a device issue first Sep 10 03:38:50 bbl Sep 10 03:41:45 EricBlade: are they all old though ha Sep 10 03:42:31 plov: depends on what you mean by "old". I'm getting "old". Sep 10 03:45:49 if you gotta say that, already means theyre old :P Sep 10 03:47:02 hmmm, I'm considering buying a new air with my app sales Sep 10 03:47:35 Doing that well? Sep 10 03:48:02 umm, I should probably save the money Sep 10 03:48:05 buttttt Sep 10 03:48:23 * DougReeder smiles Sep 10 03:48:43 shadyman: sweeeeeeeeeeeet. if anyone else wants to win one go ahead and post =) Sep 10 03:48:44 Tibfib: save it to pay for next year's dev fees? :x Sep 10 03:48:46 ppl saving money is what's slowing the economic recovery Sep 10 03:48:57 Shadyman: hmmm? Sep 10 03:49:03 everyone should just go out and buy stuff Sep 10 03:49:05 jacques: hah. Sep 10 03:49:20 I have tuition to pay for in the future. Sep 10 03:49:38 Tibfib: don't forget about books. books are a pain. Sep 10 03:49:44 that to Sep 10 03:50:29 perhaps I should wait until I find out what scholarships I got and so forth Sep 10 03:50:49 that would be prudent Sep 10 03:51:08 bah prudence Sep 10 03:55:19 * oil votes air Sep 10 04:05:57 Spend it as fast as you get it is my motto. What if you get hit by a bus next month? Sep 10 04:06:14 another valid point Sep 10 04:06:16 lol Sep 10 04:08:20 Plenty of old men living in garrets can tell you how that worked for them Sep 10 04:09:47 So, who's going to write the MetaWatch library for webOS? Sep 10 04:12:08 * haeffb googles "garrets" Sep 10 04:13:49 * haeffb wonders if the garret has high speed internet Sep 10 04:17:55 metawAtch notification Mode corresponds to banner messages - could be nice to patch all banners through to the MetaWatch Sep 10 04:19:16 sSorry, too many 19th century novels. s/garret/trailer/ Sep 10 04:23:49 soo python seems cool Sep 10 04:25:22 DougReeder: I have the apk.. but no android device to run it on to even see it Sep 10 04:26:24 Nor I. I'm full up on projects right now anyway. Sep 10 04:27:08 I've got a friend who uses Android, I'll suggest it to him. Sep 10 04:28:37 So many cool toys, so little time. Sep 10 04:30:21 WHAT THE Sep 10 04:30:30 some tool took the username 'tibfib' for the college board Sep 10 04:31:45 The docs specifically mention communication from robots - we'll have no excuse for not receiving messages from our robotic overlords! Sep 10 04:38:25 hat 2 lines/packet, it takes 48 packets to write a whole screen! Sheesh. Sep 10 04:38:45 Tibfib: HAH Sep 10 04:41:02 Tibfib: lolllllllllll Sep 10 04:41:22 you should make a temp account and bribe him Sep 10 04:41:30 tell him never to use that account ever Sep 10 04:41:50 and force him to give you the email and password Sep 10 04:42:11 * DougReeder waves goodnight Sep 10 04:42:16 * fxspec06 too Sep 10 04:42:19 night Sep 10 04:46:33 anyone want to test an app? I need to check something on a different device Sep 10 04:46:39 logging required Sep 10 04:49:20 hmm. i'm trying to get the Pre3 emulator image to work, anyone happen to have that functional right now? i downloaded the SDK-2210.vmdk.zip and used the "palm-emulator --install" command to install it, but afterwards, virtualbox just complained that the file was missing. So, I made my own new emulator, setup like the one for my Touchpad, and it appears to just lock up Sep 10 04:50:33 * PatrickC hates the Precentral feeds Sep 10 04:50:57 anyone wanna hook me up with a pre3? Sep 10 04:52:47 precentral is missing 1 line from the Packages file to do minwebosversion..... *1 line!* Sep 10 05:00:51 wow flickr.. wow Sep 10 05:01:40 what? Sep 10 05:01:42 what happened? Sep 10 05:01:45 hmm. i guess i have to run palm-emulator to start the other one, it doesn't just show up in the menu like the first one did Sep 10 05:02:03 that pre3 ATT thing on the front page is such a tease :( its depressing Sep 10 05:02:17 hmm... not finding libjpeg even though i set ldflags to it Sep 10 05:03:47 EricBlade: it doesn't show up in the HP Emulator (or whatever the name is) thingy? Sep 10 05:04:18 i had to run it first from the "palm-emulator" command to configure it. the palm-emulator install command doesn't actually set it up Sep 10 05:04:43 ah Sep 10 05:04:57 eighthree: what pre3 att thing? Sep 10 05:05:03 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/298205-t-pre3-16gb-not-sale.html Sep 10 05:05:05 :( Sep 10 05:05:20 I'm off to bed all Sep 10 05:05:27 well, my app -starts- on the pre3 Sep 10 05:05:37 eighthree: it still only has 380MB total RAM Sep 10 05:05:41 night PatrickC Sep 10 05:05:45 if you want to help me with the app.. email me at patrickappcreator -at- gmail (dot) com Sep 10 05:05:50 night eighthree Sep 10 05:05:57 rwhitby: nice point, but i still want it D: Sep 10 05:08:05 ok my app -runs- on pre3. now, how do i switch panes? lol Sep 10 05:08:39 home key on your keyboard Sep 10 05:08:44 ? Sep 10 05:09:14 yeah but panes in the enyo view Sep 10 05:10:03 figured it out Sep 10 05:10:09 had to drag the right hand border over Sep 10 05:11:27 my WebView hack does not work in the Pre3 emu Sep 10 05:17:41 Damn, cant set webkit to not build gtk related stuff Sep 10 05:19:25 am i correct that all of the Pre-3's in the wild are running 480x800 display, and that they are the only units that run 2.2, and therefore, the only phone units that have Enyo ? Sep 10 05:20:02 how cute, pre3 looks so much like pre/pre2 you can almost forgive it for not being OMAP based :) Sep 10 05:20:51 EricBlade: well a lot of people have loaded up enyo on earlier devices, but if you mean the only phones that ship with Enyo, yes Sep 10 05:21:29 I'm not sure about the resolution but about 2.2 / enyo stock , yeah Sep 10 05:21:52 well, ok, i can only realistically set a min-ver of 2.2, and i shouldn't have to worry about smaller screens? Sep 10 05:22:09 EricBlade: until veer gets an upgrade Sep 10 05:22:14 (if it does) Sep 10 05:22:18 Or unless Pre2 does. Sep 10 05:22:23 "in the wild" ... probably the *released* ones Sep 10 05:22:54 EricBlade: plus I wouldn't be surprised if we see 2.2 hacked onto earlier devices Sep 10 05:23:01 I would guess you could make that assumption, for now Sep 10 05:23:13 given what the 2.2 emu looks like booted at lower res Sep 10 05:23:13 can you not detect resolution? Sep 10 05:24:18 i want to know what my design targets are, is all. i'll worry about 320x400 when i have to Sep 10 05:46:34 Hey, Is anyone here? Sep 10 05:47:16 likely Sep 10 05:47:27 Lol Sep 10 05:48:06 Well, I am playing with HaXe devlopment for the WebOS platform, and don't seem to be able to get Box2d working on it Sep 10 05:50:47 not something I'm familiar with, but maybe someone else is Sep 10 05:51:28 Ah right, Thats ok. How do you write apps for WebOS? PDK or Enyo? Sep 10 05:51:48 hp should throw out two word reviews and tell people to say something useful Sep 10 05:51:53 me? I don't Sep 10 05:55:54 Ah right Fair enough! I'm looking into getting into development for a hobby, but I would like a multiplatform solution (WebOS, iOS + Android) with A nice language :P Sep 10 06:03:47 vfxguynz: yeah thinking the same too.. Sep 10 06:08:10 eighthree, Im just looking at a few things.. Have you played with HaXe? Sep 10 06:08:24 vfxguynz: nope. whats that. Sep 10 06:08:51 Its a cross-platform language (kinda like ActionScript) Sep 10 06:08:57 and it compiles for multiple targets Sep 10 06:09:17 I can get basic flash games ported to webos Sep 10 06:09:50 But can't get Box2D ported! haha Sep 10 06:14:04 whats Box2D Sep 10 06:14:35 is HAXE actively being developerd Sep 10 06:14:39 developed* Sep 10 06:24:48 hmm.. ok, how to dynamically change the size of my popup window between touchpad and pree.. *thinks* Sep 10 06:25:17 i still haven't figured out how to fix the damn emulator thinking its a touchpad Sep 10 06:25:19 :((((( Sep 10 06:41:58 hello. can anyone help me make xserver be in landscape mode? I've done much searching to no avail. I found screen shots of xecutah running in both portrait and landscape modes, but no info on how to change it.. Sep 10 06:43:51 just start it with tp in landscape Sep 10 06:44:19 I'm on a pre plus.. forgot to mention. Sep 10 06:44:31 will that work? Sep 10 06:44:41 oh Sep 10 06:44:44 then I dunno Sep 10 06:45:18 nope. :( Sep 10 06:45:57 wanna trade? :D pre for tp? Sep 10 06:46:11 kidding.. Sep 10 06:46:35 you sure the screenshots you saw were from a pre? Sep 10 06:53:09 SDL 1.3 looks pretty cool.. cross compilable Sep 10 06:54:25 lol Sep 10 06:54:35 i would trade a 32GB for a PRE3 D; Sep 10 06:59:24 I'd pick up an 850MHz Pre3 if it became available, but I can't see that happening. Anyone dissected a Pre3 yet? Sep 10 07:02:51 guy complaining he can't figure out how to make a call on gvoice .. uh.. do you not see the button labelled "Place Call" .. or the "Call" button on every individual msg ? Sep 10 07:03:46 hahah Sep 10 07:03:49 funny XDDD Sep 10 07:05:01 Only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity - and I'm not sure about the former. Sep 10 07:05:28 my pre plus is overclocked. and is running webos 2.1 Sep 10 07:05:36 bah. wheres the 2.2 :( Sep 10 07:05:43 My Pre+ got sold for parts. Sep 10 07:05:48 wow, i got a perfect voice mail transcription .. it was google's voicemail talking to my cell phone's voicemail though Sep 10 07:05:59 so... why is a pre 3 better? Sep 10 07:06:25 EricBlade: aha Sep 10 07:06:31 webos3 ? Sep 10 07:06:51 @smash : it has 2.2 afaik. Sep 10 07:06:55 smash: bigger better faster has 2.2? Sep 10 07:08:06 faster at 850mhz? my preplus is faster. Sep 10 07:08:24 850MHz UMTS frequency, not CPU speed. Sep 10 07:08:45 ah. I feel silly. Sep 10 07:09:24 Also known as the AT&T model. Sep 10 07:10:30 I require an 850MHz handset because I use Telstra. The other two Australian providers just don't cut it for me. Sep 10 07:10:33 right. :p why can providers not just have a common system? bah. gsm? Sep 10 07:10:34 i want ;( Sep 10 07:10:43 all of this is depressing me Sep 10 07:10:52 i ditched my iPhone and got three veers and two touch pads lol Sep 10 07:10:57 now only the pre3 is left D: Sep 10 07:11:35 feh. later. Sep 10 07:11:43 feh? Sep 10 07:41:44 so, anyone know if there's anything special I'll need to do to get my app to work on Pre3, other than just get HP to adjust the minimum version level? Sep 10 08:03:08 EricBlade: no clue :( sorry m8 Sep 10 08:03:14 call em! Sep 10 08:54:47 wrea: hey Sep 10 08:54:53 have you tried compiling it? Sep 10 10:30:23 hello Sep 10 10:32:13 hi Sep 10 10:41:29 Hi i read i have to ptach fstab but i can't see it in the preware. Sep 10 10:41:42 Do i still have to patch that even if i have the latest WebOS and Wirc? Sep 10 10:41:45 are you on 1.4.5? Sep 10 10:42:20 no, only if you made an OTA-update from an older webOS version to 1.4.5 Sep 10 10:42:46 ok Sep 10 10:42:54 * Daghdha pokes at wirc "WORK!!" Sep 10 10:44:54 hi Sep 10 10:45:26 it like... works :-) Sep 10 10:49:36 it does! shocking! Sep 10 10:51:26 so who tried android yet on to, and will that be in preware eventually? Sep 10 10:55:35 bit of a pity webOS has tiny back buttons everywhere instead of using a left swipe Sep 10 10:56:12 back buttons everywhere? Sep 10 10:56:23 on my hp veer I just swipe left in the "swipe-area" Sep 10 10:56:31 (from right to left) Sep 10 10:56:38 no gesture area on the touchpad Sep 10 10:56:46 ah .. okay Sep 10 10:56:53 doesn't stop me swiping when i've been using my pre, though :) Sep 10 10:57:13 I really like my veer :) it's cute and does most of the stuff I want it to Sep 10 10:57:53 i really like my original pre Sep 10 10:58:00 but i think you're preaching to the choir ;-) Sep 10 10:58:41 ah.. well I remember having a palm device back when there were still PDAs from like .. Psion Sep 10 11:02:53 morning Sep 10 11:03:17 I had an old b&w palm lol Sep 10 11:06:16 hehe I don't have mine anymore Sep 10 11:06:47 i didn't. the pre was my first palm device. Sep 10 11:06:55 and i guess only palm device, since the Touchpad has HP on the back ;-) Sep 10 11:08:49 I wasn't lucky enough to get a TP :/ Sep 10 11:20:43 I wonder if a patch could add a back gesture Sep 10 11:21:07 I mean they sorta have one for card view Sep 10 11:21:30 maybe a arch or something Sep 10 11:28:24 TP has no gesture area, so, difficult Sep 10 11:36:40 not realy Sep 10 11:37:00 do it similar to the gesture from the bottom Sep 10 11:46:47 but then the back gesture would have to be on-screen Sep 10 12:33:06 pcworld: the card minimize gesture is on screen Sep 10 12:33:15 just from the bottom edge Sep 10 12:33:41 hello, i am trying to add a command menu icon, i want to put the icon botton left so i put some emty items but still the icon is not really close to the left. this is the code. help if you find anything wrong in my code. this.storyMenuAttr.items[1].items.push({icon:" "},{},{},{},{},{},{},{},{},{},{},{},{},{},{} ); Sep 10 12:33:42 but a start from the bottom and an arc back to the bottom is easy Sep 10 12:34:25   psuedo gesture area Sep 10 12:37:21 hi Sep 10 12:37:45 again looking for a keyboard Sep 10 12:38:23 how about the apple keyboard? Sep 10 12:38:36 siestacat: the bluetooth one from palm? Sep 10 12:38:40 er, hp Sep 10 12:38:48 I can't get it Sep 10 12:39:03 where are you located? Sep 10 12:39:07 maine Sep 10 12:39:10 bangor Sep 10 12:39:23 it's nowhere near me Sep 10 12:39:32 dawm|tp: that's what I wanted to say :) Sep 10 12:39:40 ah well. I have one here which I don't need, but I'm from germany :p Sep 10 12:40:05 yeah, Germany is a ways off Sep 10 12:40:09 hmm Sep 10 12:40:12 is it possible to load another javascript to the scene assistant?? my first-assistant.js is getting crowded. Sep 10 12:40:25 I suppose the USB ports don't work? Sep 10 12:41:14 eclipse crashes because of the document size Sep 10 12:41:29 JVM, too expensive Sep 10 12:41:32 nvm* Sep 10 12:41:42 looking at the Microsoft 6000 Sep 10 12:45:43 and programming keys? Sep 10 13:13:44 any H1N1 out there allowing for a wii remote or ps3 remote to be paired with the touchpad? Sep 10 13:14:28 hb* Sep 10 13:14:35 not h1n1 rofl Sep 10 13:26:57 Bluetooth kb? Sep 10 13:30:17 hmmm, swine flu probably isn't good for a touchpad Sep 10 13:30:50 it will be epic win in angrybirds Sep 10 13:56:01 is chrootin ubuntu how safe, or is there bricking risk? :] Sep 10 13:59:47 hm.. does anyone have an idea of how to get the whole portion of a number if I do 7 : 2 ? with mod (%) I can get the rest, but what about the amount of times 2 fits into 7 ? Sep 10 14:03:25 7 / 2 = the number of times 2 fits into 7 Sep 10 14:03:52 yeah that's right.. but just what JavaScript function would I use to get that "3"? Sep 10 14:03:57 floor? Sep 10 14:04:03 with a name like that .. pfff Sep 10 14:04:21 ah.. will try Sep 10 14:04:21 er, Math.floor() Sep 10 14:04:28 http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_floor.asp Sep 10 14:04:54 thank you - yeah I suppose this one solves it Sep 10 14:05:33 u gotta do diff Sep 10 14:05:51 or (7 / 2) - (7 % 2) Sep 10 14:06:14 var mynum = Math.floor((x * 10) / (2 * 10)) / 10 Sep 10 14:06:58 i think. something. because javascript doesn't round up / down consistently. Sep 10 14:07:00 I'm trying to display a timestamp-like value in a h:m:s manner Sep 10 14:07:03 there is some trick Sep 10 14:08:11 i got a algorithm that rounds to a dec pt Sep 10 14:08:39 yeah, it only rounds whole numbers Sep 10 14:08:43 I think floor does the trick .. at least it seems to work as expected Sep 10 14:09:08 so you have to do the * 10 or 100 or 1000 then / to get precision Sep 10 14:09:09 I always want to take the whole portion of a "float" number .. the rest will be retrieved using mod Sep 10 14:11:00 you can use is in webOS apps? Sep 10 14:11:37 is that a question relating to mine? Sep 10 14:11:39 Math.round(num * 100) / 100 Sep 10 14:12:04 what is that one for? Sep 10 14:12:24 that's for 2 dec points to the right.. so for 0 dec points just Math.round() or Math.floor() should work fine for you. Sep 10 14:12:35 round a number to a hundredth precision Sep 10 14:13:14 before using floor? Sep 10 14:13:30 I'm sorry I feel a bit irritated Sep 10 14:13:36 lol Sep 10 14:15:45 if you're doing a date, you can get a new date and then tell mojo to format it Sep 10 14:15:52 or enyo Sep 10 14:16:21 I have a start date object and a current one .. Sep 10 14:16:22 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/661562/how-to-format-a-float-in-javascript Sep 10 14:16:27 that's for extra reading Sep 10 14:16:37 extra credit ;) Sep 10 14:16:42 and I am getting the difference .. but that one is all seconds Sep 10 14:17:31 so I have to adjust that number of seconds (difference) to display as h:m:s. I will go read that though - thanks :) Sep 10 14:17:49 var myTime = new Date(); var currentTime = Mojo.Format.formatDate(myTime, {time : 'short'}); Sep 10 14:18:12 not sure what the enyo code is.. but there's another ex. k got 2 go shower got a wedding to attend later Sep 10 14:18:30 Mojo works fine for me Sep 10 14:20:41 or you could stringify the date object, split it, put it into your own variables and parse it.. always 300x ways to do somehting Sep 10 14:21:31 thanks I think it will work.. if it won't I'll just try a different approach Sep 10 14:22:20 EricBlade: ping? Sep 10 14:23:46 anyone on archlinux who succeeded connecting its touchpad to novacomd ? Sep 10 14:24:23 I've got this : novacom_usb_rx_thread:413 -- usbll(00000000) error: reading packet, result(-1), errno 9 when I launch it Sep 10 14:27:40 okay I've found the solution there : http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_archlinux Sep 10 14:31:50 oh no.. JavaScript doesn't have a function similar to SGN, right? So I can't find out the leading sign of a number easily.. probably with some division or something .. Sep 10 14:36:59 ah well I'll just use if (x > 0) .. works good Sep 10 14:37:06 does anyon e have icq runing on the tp? Sep 10 15:04:25 wrea: there? Sep 10 15:04:29 hi Sep 10 15:08:38 thomaschaaf!! Sep 10 15:08:58 hola! Sep 10 15:09:05 just ordered a Touhcpad :) Sep 10 15:09:07 yesterday! Sep 10 15:09:34 really exited about it.. but qvc has not started shipiigin yet Sep 10 15:09:54 its a.m.a.z.i.n.g. :) Sep 10 15:12:15 thomaschaaf, yeah. no go so far. ran into a cinfigure issue Sep 10 15:25:10 23 Sep 10 15:25:12 er Sep 10 15:39:15 sorry am on the road and got disconnected Sep 10 15:40:56 guys? still there? Sep 10 15:44:16 PatrickC: ? Sep 10 15:45:57 yep Sep 10 15:46:22 PatrickC: What happened to you phone? Sep 10 15:46:40 idk Sep 10 15:46:57 it booted.. but it didn't boot Sep 10 15:47:05 if that makes sense Sep 10 15:47:08 PatrickC: which one? Sep 10 15:47:16 pre- Sep 10 15:48:21 PAtrickC: what clock speed did you want to mak eit go? Sep 10 15:51:47 I wanted to make it boot.. at any lock speed Sep 10 15:54:28 PatrickC: what speed did you want to make it go? Sep 10 15:54:41 any speed Sep 10 15:54:46 as long as it booted Sep 10 15:55:28 PatrickC: Did you hear what I am trying to do currently with webos? Sep 10 15:55:39 nope Sep 10 15:55:46 really want to upgrade webkit :) to make it future proof Sep 10 16:04:00 thomaschaaf: cool :) Sep 10 16:08:05 so, any idea what would break sms notifications? I'm not getting any sound or banner across the bottom anymore :( Sep 10 16:09:58 hm.. maybe restart your phone completely? Sep 10 16:10:23 (not resetting, just restarting I suppose) .. though I do believe that you've already tried that Sep 10 16:11:50 divStar: checkout phpjs.org for some useful functions including date Sep 10 16:12:10 sorry would hve said something sooner but got busy at worm Sep 10 16:12:26 ah - thanks .. I've already solved my issue using simple math, floor and the module operator Sep 10 16:26:07 hello all, im thinking of switching back over to a webos phone Sep 10 16:26:19 is the pixi still worth using? Sep 10 16:30:46 i Sep 10 16:30:52 hi Sep 10 16:31:19 hi all Sep 10 16:31:55 hi Sep 10 16:32:02 anybody know the command to run enyo from the browser? here's what i've been trying: open -a google\ chrome index.html --allow-file-access-from-files --disable-web-security Sep 10 16:32:13 but it doesn't seem to recognize those last arguments Sep 10 16:32:45 oh, and i'm trying to run it within the enyo app's folder, hence the index.html Sep 10 16:33:23 * fudge_i3 wishes he sticked with his beloved webos phone Sep 10 16:37:32 anyone? Sep 10 16:39:59 yup Sep 10 16:40:02 yup yup Sep 10 16:40:23 wow steve lemke's really into his nissan leaf Sep 10 16:40:31 just checking the twitters Sep 10 17:03:33 why can't I find the terminal emulator in the QuickInstall or PreWare menus? Sep 10 17:03:55 terminal emulator? Sep 10 17:04:05 xterm? Sep 10 17:04:18 look up xecutah and xterm Sep 10 17:04:28 webos native terminal emulator Sep 10 17:06:13 nothing comes up for either of those Sep 10 17:33:08 it's in preware, if youa dd the testing feeds Sep 10 17:36:33 ok, I'll look for that Sep 10 17:40:35 oh man, so *thats* what those instructions were I read so long ago and didn't understand Sep 10 18:27:26 hi folks! Sep 10 18:35:11 hello? is it… me you're… looking for? Sep 10 18:49:23 dpivs: nope, I'm looking for the TV remote Sep 10 19:07:32 hm.. does playing a system sound using mojo framework require something super-natural? or does the emulator not support playing those sounds? I wanted to play some system sound upon timer stop .. but somehow no error, but no sound either :/ anyone an idea? Sep 10 19:14:18 i can't remember the emulator playing sounds Sep 10 19:14:24 hm it seems that the emulator doesn't play the systemsounds .. my phone did though Sep 10 19:14:26 does it make any noise? Sep 10 19:14:44 actually you're right .. from what I see it doesn't Sep 10 19:15:32 though it does have some windows directsound (at least VirtualBox shows it in the session information) Sep 10 19:17:06 Video and audio playback is not currently supported in the emulator. (https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/audio.html) --> okay .. now it's clear Sep 10 19:19:28 ah ha Sep 10 19:19:31 so it doesn't Sep 10 19:19:56 yeah - even though Virtual Box recognizes some sort of Audio device .. but then again it might be my soundcard .. Sep 10 19:20:08 oh well.. I'll just test on the phone Sep 10 19:20:17 I have never gotten audio to work Sep 10 19:20:18 i don't think it's your sound card, unless it's my sound card too, heheh Sep 10 19:20:21 but some say it can work Sep 10 19:20:26 just not mp3's Sep 10 19:20:29 there's no codec for it Sep 10 19:20:32 in the emu Sep 10 19:20:45 I'm trying to play system sounds Sep 10 19:20:57 * Tibfib shrugs Sep 10 19:21:00 or rather: I WAS trying ^^ Sep 10 19:34:36 The EMulator has NEVER supported that for webOS... its alot worse then just using the phones in the first place Sep 10 19:36:36 you have to modify some files to play audio in the emulator Sep 10 19:50:16 Hi! Sorry to ask a may supied question but how i can turn off data connections i have no data plan :( Sep 10 19:50:43 i have wifi at work at home so why? or is it needed :( Sep 10 19:53:11 Webosnewbie: it's in preferences and accounts in the phone app Sep 10 19:55:58 haydn Sytem preferences accounts? Sep 10 19:56:55 haydn it's a Veer Sep 10 20:02:02 dang, even after using javascript for 2+ years I find myself learning stuff by reading books Sep 10 20:02:18 javascript: the good parts + eloquent javascript. Sep 10 20:02:51 Webosnewbie: Open the phone app, click the menu pull down and it's in there Sep 10 20:03:50 haydn i got it THX man! Sep 10 20:06:24 haydn u are awesome man have nice weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sep 10 20:20:58 wow there's such a nice application provided in the mojo framework part .. "stylematters" - it shows a huge lot of what you can use to create applications :D Sep 10 20:24:55 i've only looked at the Enyo ver, which is nice, but it could definitely have so much more Sep 10 20:29:00 divStar: you are 2 years late to the party Sep 10 20:29:22 is the hp market down right now? I keep getting failed downloads Sep 10 20:29:51 well tbh I only bother to programm for webos, because I have a Veer and because I think I might be able to do the stuff I am missing myself .. Sep 10 20:29:56 besides it's a nice adventure Sep 10 21:42:51 Well crap Sep 10 21:42:53 Oh, hi mark. Sep 10 21:44:46 I totally cannot do any coding today Sep 10 21:47:11 fingers broken? Sep 10 21:47:30 Thankfully no - haven't had that problem in years Sep 10 21:48:05 But I am sick, so not only is my head stuffy and dripping things that're unpleasant, but just moving hurts Sep 10 21:48:23 Also I look like Rudolph the reindeer now. Sep 10 21:48:48 eh, i had a fever earlier this week Sep 10 21:49:10 This is my second cold in three weeks - returning to school is fun like that. Sep 10 21:49:16 lol Sep 10 21:51:52 hey Sep 10 22:03:38 cold's suck Sep 10 22:04:27 yep.. my brother had a cold a few days ago .. seems like some cold wave going around and making its move .. Thankfully it didn't caught me (yet) Sep 10 22:04:51 didn't catch* Sep 10 22:05:13 It will. We're all about to be plunged into a sneezy doom. Sep 10 22:05:22 The coldpocalypse is upon us! Sep 10 22:05:26 nooo D: I refuse Sep 10 22:05:39 * Nilium would laugh maniacally but can't stop sneezing Sep 10 22:05:52 it's alright .. you can save it up for later :-) Sep 10 22:06:19 I'll go jump into my bed and simulate some serious sleeping Sep 10 22:08:02 Finally, got access to paid apps from Sweden using Usunlocked! Sep 10 22:08:41 klausa: works. Sep 10 22:09:10 Using what? Sep 10 22:09:27 usunlocked.com Sep 10 22:09:39 Just bought rio HD. :-) Sep 10 22:09:51 Ok, thanks, I'll bookmark that! Sep 10 22:10:18 My touchpad should be here yesterday, but I'll probably have it on monday... Sep 10 22:11:13 So, you need to get a paypal account and get funds into it. Then you can get a virtual visa through usunlocked.com - but you will have to upload a pic of your passport and a utility bill to get verified on usunlocked. Sep 10 22:11:43 what's a utility bill? Sep 10 22:11:52 But that went quickly. Then it took a few business days to get the card issued' Sep 10 22:12:02 That sound a little bit like a identity theft TBH. Sep 10 22:12:09 Like for sxample your electricity bill. Sep 10 22:12:41 I wonder what they need that for o-o Sep 10 22:14:48 They also do shipping, so I think they want to try to verify that you actually live there. Sep 10 22:16:24 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 10 22:17:08 To me they seemed the most legit of these companies - and they use paypal. Some others I found, and that was mentioned in the forum use webmoney and liberty reserve etc, and that was really tricky and expensive for me at least. Sep 10 22:17:16 I don't think I'd hand a passport and bill to someone like that Sep 10 22:19:03 soo.... 13 inch air vs 15 inch pro? Sep 10 22:21:03 11" Air. Sep 10 22:21:52 Anyway, any paid apps recommendations? :-) Got 100 dollars burning in my virtual visa. Sep 10 22:22:33 Paid apps for webOS? Sep 10 22:22:41 klausa: 15" is my preferred size Sep 10 22:22:48 would rather not go down from that. Sep 10 22:22:54 gokr: omnomnomnom Sep 10 22:23:11 Go buy 11" Air and big-ass display. Sep 10 22:23:24 13" air Sep 10 22:24:30 soooo tempting Sep 10 22:29:56 Tibfib: Yours right? Seems to be a nice app. Ok, I'll bite. Sep 10 22:30:04 yessir Sep 10 22:30:07 good man! Sep 10 22:30:42 :-) Sep 10 22:30:59 gokr , if you want to do GTD-style task management, Outline Tracker is good, in my not-so-humble-opinion. Sep 10 22:31:26 Tibfib: bought. Sep 10 22:31:36 noice Sep 10 22:31:52 big update coming to it next week Sep 10 22:31:58 just gotta submit it today Sep 10 22:33:11 Yeah Sep 10 22:33:37 noticed some feedback there in the comments thread. Like keep unread. Sep 10 22:34:05 yep Sep 10 22:34:11 coming very soon Sep 10 22:34:14 gokr, if you want Sep 10 22:34:23 pm me your email and I'll pass along the ipk Sep 10 22:34:58 Na, I can wait for the update - I just installed it. :-) Sep 10 22:34:59 You offer the ipk after he's bought it?? ;P Sep 10 22:35:16 ;) Sep 10 22:35:18 app is open source Sep 10 22:35:36 anyone can package and install it Sep 10 22:35:51 odd .. I had trouble with freeTether .. but when using USB I don't have trouble .. or maybe I just don't notice .. Sep 10 22:40:24 Tibfib: Ah, it was in Preware... oh, well, supporting dev is fine with me. Sep 10 22:40:37 hmm? Sep 10 22:40:42 nomnomnom isn't available through preware Sep 10 22:44:42 gaaaah you can use negative array indices in javascript. wtf Sep 10 22:44:55 lol Sep 10 22:45:31 Arrays are just specialized associative arrays. Sep 10 22:46:30 funny thing is JavaScript doesn't have a function to retrieve whether a number is positive or negative (SGN) Sep 10 22:46:30 You can use strings as array indices. Sep 10 22:46:52 except maybe using regex.. Sep 10 22:47:41 Ah, but what function do you want? There's positive and negative zero. Sep 10 22:47:53 Tibfib: Ah, ok, preware just finds it because I just bought it. Sep 10 22:48:03 ah, makes sense Sep 10 22:49:05 nah it doesn't matter.. I've just checked against expression being greater than zero Sep 10 22:49:11 If you want to distinguish positive and negative zero, check if 1/x is greater than zero (where x is thu number) Sep 10 22:49:30 hehe yeah that's what I did Sep 10 22:50:57 There are SGN functions that return zero if the number is equal to zero. Sep 10 22:51:44 well I think I expected a function which would take a number as an argument and return true if the number is positive, otherwise return false .. Sep 10 22:52:19 but then again .. what if I didn't pass a number, but a string by accident? then it should probably throw an exception or something which I could catch using try-catch Sep 10 22:53:26 I think you need to explicitly check for that -- I'm not sure that numbers in JavaScript ever throw an exception. Dividing by zero gives you a NaN. Sep 10 22:53:59 yeah that's why that function would have to check against NaN and throw the exception if NaN is the case Sep 10 23:03:11 hey guys Sep 10 23:03:26 lol honor thy nda when did that become part of the topic Sep 10 23:04:29 Always been there. Sep 10 23:05:16 i'm still annoyed that fuckingnda.com no longer exists Sep 10 23:17:49 The lack of gestures on the TP is getting on my tits Sep 10 23:18:34 interesting Sep 10 23:18:44 ? Sep 10 23:18:47 That's quite a mental picture Sep 10 23:19:14 * DougReeder waves goodbye Sep 10 23:39:26 so webOS on the evo 4g Doable Sep 10 23:43:00 no Sep 10 23:54:14 no. Sep 11 00:04:40 hey fxspec06_ my butt smells tonight Sep 11 00:09:49 anyone know if the facebook chat patch is working again in 1.4.5 for the pixi? Sep 11 00:10:29 hey dawm my armpits smell tonight Sep 11 00:10:39 you should get that looked at.. Sep 11 00:10:42 they smell like active deoderant Sep 11 00:10:53 only your nose is supposed to smell Sep 11 00:11:03 they are emitting odor Sep 11 00:11:24 awesome Sep 11 00:11:41 hey, i was wondering fudge_i3 Sep 11 00:12:01 i have some fudge i just made. i need to give it to someone. would you be willing to package it for me? Sep 11 00:12:28 u trollin' Sep 11 00:12:30 lol j/p....... Sep 11 00:13:08 sorry. that was a bit rude. not really my thing Sep 11 00:13:15 lol Sep 11 00:13:18 no worries Sep 11 00:13:36 everyone plays that same joke on me over at another irc server Sep 11 00:13:42 lol Sep 11 00:14:03 ya. do u have a pixi or pre? Sep 11 00:14:16 i got a pre+, pre2, and touchpad Sep 11 00:15:12 nice Sep 11 00:15:19 which devices do you have? Sep 11 00:15:34 i used to have 4 pre's 2 pixi's Sep 11 00:15:41 now i just have 1 pixi Sep 11 00:15:45 why so many Sep 11 00:15:49 are you a drug dealer? Sep 11 00:15:56 lol no, i bought them from ebay Sep 11 00:16:19 they all had different problems, so i just combined all the working parts into a new phone Sep 11 00:16:31 but its not new Sep 11 00:16:45 looked new :3 Sep 11 00:17:01 i want to go back to my pixi, but i have a verizon one Sep 11 00:17:05 while i have sprint service Sep 11 00:17:47 LOL @dawm Sep 11 00:18:09 i wish i had a pixi. is that odd? Sep 11 00:18:25 i want a pixi 2. like, a pixi, with the pre3 processor. Sep 11 00:18:32 veer Sep 11 00:18:40 no way. i want that pixi keyboard Sep 11 00:18:53 lol same reason why i want to go back to it Sep 11 00:18:54 and no slider. nonono slider =D Sep 11 00:19:06 pixi is like perfect phone w/ crap processor Sep 11 00:19:12 ^ Sep 11 00:19:21 i have a centro atm, but i broke the touch panel Sep 11 00:19:31 was walking home with it in my hand while it was raining Sep 11 00:19:40 was too drunk to put it back in my pocket Sep 11 00:19:55 lmao Sep 11 00:20:03 nice goin Sep 11 00:20:18 yea, wasn't my best idea Sep 11 00:22:19 hey al Sep 11 00:22:21 all* Sep 11 00:24:19 hi patrickc Sep 11 00:24:52 hey fudge_i3 Sep 11 00:26:41 WOOP WOOP Sep 11 00:26:43 Heh Sep 11 00:29:21 kesne: how do u like that tablet support forum Sep 11 00:29:27 fxspec06: They're okay Sep 11 00:30:58 they're alright Sep 11 00:31:37 not very knowledgable about webos it seems..? maybe that's just a first impression Sep 11 00:31:54 They're mostly android cross-overs Sep 11 00:32:02 So by default, I hate most of them Sep 11 00:33:16 lol Sep 11 00:33:32 fxspec06: What main Villo features were you looing forward to? Sep 11 00:33:50 ranks Sep 11 00:33:59 that's #1 on my list Sep 11 00:34:20 everything else is secondary. but ranks is like. everything to me lol. Sep 11 00:34:58 fxspec06: Haha, alright Sep 11 00:35:26 fxspec06: We finalized the 0.9 spec of that like last night, want me to send you the synopsis? Sep 11 00:35:43 not tonight. lol. remind me tomorrow. Sep 11 00:35:54 or i'll get a hold of you tomorrow Sep 11 00:36:29 fxspec06: Alright Sep 11 00:36:44 fxspec06: It's a little bit clunky, but I think it gets the job done Sep 11 00:36:54 but that sounds great!. so are they... ready to implement then? Sep 11 00:37:15 Well, not just yet. The spec was finalized, now I have to go off and make it. Sep 11 00:37:43 But that's pretty minor, really. I have most of the queries written up, just need to type it up in one coherent API. Sep 11 00:37:51 ohhh okay. i see. well no rush take your time. i have other things to do so i'm not asking you to break your back over it Sep 11 00:39:03 actually yeah, go ahead and send the synopsis. i can lazily take a read tonight Sep 11 00:39:13 ;) thanks also. Sep 11 00:39:22 Heh, no worries Sep 11 00:39:31 I just needed to get stuff done, it's been a while Sep 11 00:39:37 Finally got info.villo working perfectly. Sep 11 00:39:48 Worked out the conversion process, it's slick. Sep 11 00:40:10 nice Sep 11 00:40:25 i need to get stuff done too. but i keep running into LIFE Sep 11 00:40:41 Haha, likewise Sep 11 00:40:46 Stupid school started for me Sep 11 00:40:55 yep. same here. Sep 11 00:41:21 i have to attend "Stupid school" twice a week. Sep 11 00:41:24 Where do you go to school? Sep 11 00:41:49 local community college in worcester ma Sep 11 00:41:57 quinsigamond Sep 11 00:42:10 Ah Sep 11 00:42:13 Fun, haha Sep 11 00:42:20 if i get a 4.0 then hopefully i'll get a full scholarship to somewhere nice Sep 11 00:43:11 Oh, that'd be nice, haha Sep 11 00:45:04 k cool. got it. looking forward to it. when it comes, i'm def going to make it nice =) Sep 11 00:46:06 i'm not very fond of the leaderboards.. ranks.. well they're just super cool Sep 11 00:46:21 for my game anyways. =p Sep 11 00:52:37 fxspec06: You around? Sep 11 00:55:00 yeah Sep 11 00:56:03 what's up kesne? Sep 11 00:56:21 Is there any way to add one object to another object? Sep 11 00:56:29 heh Sep 11 00:56:32 Like, say I have {fruits: {}} Sep 11 00:56:41 object.otherobject = otherobject Sep 11 00:57:05 oil: Yes, but the problem is that otherobject is already populated with things Sep 11 00:57:26 {"fruits": { Sep 11 00:57:30 And then stuff Sep 11 00:57:31 like Sep 11 00:57:41 mixin Sep 11 00:57:49 enyo.mixin will merge objects Sep 11 00:58:02 I'm not using enyo D: Sep 11 00:58:02 my experience with mixin is that it sucks ass Sep 11 00:58:03 haha Sep 11 00:58:08 heh Sep 11 00:58:22 it only works.... ... sometimes Sep 11 00:59:08 hmm Sep 11 00:59:11 sugardave: Any way to to it in pure JS without hell? Sep 11 00:59:48 so you want to add apples{} inside of {fruits: {}} Sep 11 01:00:01 fxspec06: I need it inside of fruits Sep 11 01:00:09 obj.fruits.apples = apples Sep 11 01:00:11 We need to go deeper. Three levels. Sep 11 01:00:15 yeah what oil said Sep 11 01:00:20 oil: But it's already populated Sep 11 01:00:23 http://javascriptweblog.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/a-fresh-look-at-javascript-mixins/ Sep 11 01:00:36 oil: That'll overwrite whatever's in apples Sep 11 01:00:39 oh hmm. Sep 11 01:01:17 depends on what you mean by "add" Sep 11 01:01:21 then you have to loop through apples on each and append Sep 11 01:01:28 you need to learn javascrpt kesne Sep 11 01:01:31 are you just appending to an array, or merging all the properties? Sep 11 01:01:35 you could make a custom copyObject function that recursively calls itself on the subobjects Sep 11 01:01:43 even patrickC learned the if statement! comeon! Sep 11 01:01:46 and if you're merging the properties you need to define what happens when they collide. Sep 11 01:01:46 oil: I just wanted to know if there was some method I was missing Sep 11 01:01:48 haha Sep 11 01:03:44 for(var i = 0; i = obj.fruits.apples.length; i++){if (apples[i]=="whatyouwant"){//dostuffhere};}; Sep 11 01:04:19 like if the property already exists, but is an object, do you replace it or extend that object as well? Sep 11 01:04:47 also for statements are slow.. i like reverse do ... while loops Sep 11 01:05:15 if a for loop is why your js app is slow, you're not doing anything interesting. Sep 11 01:06:17 lol Sep 11 01:06:21 it's proven that a do{}while(--i); is far faster executed than for(){}; Sep 11 01:06:42 fxspec06: For is easier Sep 11 01:06:50 lolllll extremely Sep 11 01:06:51 sure. save 3ms off my app startup time. while it spends 2000 on dom work. Sep 11 01:07:32 I like this guy. Sep 11 01:08:12 sugardave, oil, fxspec06: I just wrote my own one. I was only asking if there was some basic method that I was missing. Sep 11 01:08:45 if you're doing things that require checking a few things every few seconds.. like say a poker app.. =p reverse do/while can make a diff between snappy and zippy. whatever that diff is. lmao Sep 11 01:09:21 fxspec06: I think you havent actually done performance testing, but are jsut guessing. Sep 11 01:09:53 unless you've got a *massive* number of loop iterations every few seconds its not gonna matter. Sep 11 01:10:39 good point. it's cool to understand though. neat concept Sep 11 01:11:33 I did some basic performance testing with an old version of villo with loops Sep 11 01:12:06 I tried stuff, and found that realistically, even up to a 10ms difference really doesn't matter Sep 11 01:12:09 "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Knuth Sep 11 01:12:11 sugardave, ping? Sep 11 01:12:33 and .. he knows a few things about programming. Sep 11 01:13:33 i think i read that from him. that's why i stopped worrying about it. Sep 11 01:14:37 optimization schmoptimization? Sep 11 01:14:40 one thing that the reverse loop DID help me on though, was the score incrementing on settimeouts. say you win 1000 points... well the score has to increment 1000 times on a timer. and it needs to set that extremely fast. for() was slow.. and the do..while was faster. *shrugs* Sep 11 01:15:55 or increment X times over a period of one second, eventually arriving at 1000. Sep 11 01:16:20 I was going to say something profound Sep 11 01:16:23 But then I forgot Sep 11 01:16:25 haha Sep 11 01:16:37 lol Sep 11 01:17:17 Arthur works for me Sep 11 01:17:21 Well, with me, really Sep 11 01:18:01 who is that? Sep 11 01:18:23 kesne: do you know about push() Sep 11 01:18:32 fxspec06: Only works with "arrays" Sep 11 01:18:42 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yep. Sep 11 01:18:46 oil: @ArthurThornton Sep 11 01:19:01 * oil still has no clue Sep 11 01:19:07 Which aren't really arrays Sep 11 01:19:17 oil: He was an intern at HP, he's a developer Sep 11 01:19:23 ah Sep 11 01:19:33 isn't he like 17 Sep 11 01:19:40 18 Sep 11 01:19:41 older then kense Sep 11 01:19:50 oil: But that's not saying much Sep 11 01:19:56 I'm 17 Sep 11 01:20:06 I learned how to do if statements before I started with webOS! Sep 11 01:20:07 heh Sep 11 01:20:16 you can almost smoke cigarettes and gamble! Sep 11 01:20:24 oil: Oh boy oh boy oh boy! Sep 11 01:20:26 i learned how to if statements on my ti83+ when i was 12 Sep 11 01:20:45 wow, the typical webOS dev is younger than Javascript itself? Sep 11 01:20:49 fxspec06: I learned mine on my TI84 :P Sep 11 01:20:53 oil: he has a long way to go to gamble Sep 11 01:20:57 i learned conditional statements in LOGO in 4th grade xD Sep 11 01:21:26 oil: Nobody likes you Sep 11 01:21:32 and im fine with that Sep 11 01:21:42 rwatkins: I don't know if I'd say that Sep 11 01:21:54 rwatkins: I'm just the original kid developer Sep 11 01:22:06 LOL Sep 11 01:22:23 I want Javascript 2.0 Sep 11 01:22:24 there are a few really young webOS devs - seems like they were born about the same time the language was invented. Sep 11 01:22:26 That's what I want Sep 11 01:22:30 crazy Sep 11 01:22:46 rwatkins: Born in 1994, so I've got it beat! Sep 11 01:22:52 jesus Sep 11 01:22:52 by a year. Sep 11 01:23:01 lol Sep 11 01:23:02 Haha, still Sep 11 01:23:07 kids younger than me are in the NFL now Sep 11 01:23:18 first 1990's kid started thursday Sep 11 01:23:34 Real men play rugby Sep 11 01:23:45 says someone who isn't yet a man Sep 11 01:23:51 lol Sep 11 01:24:43 i'd been in college for a few years before there was a 'world wide web' Sep 11 01:24:47 I never said I was Sep 11 01:25:08 hmm... sugardave hides from the NuttyBunny ... *sigh* Sep 11 01:25:24 well, I'll do things the dirty way, and if Palm rejects it, I'll blame him ;) Sep 11 01:25:38 NuttyBunny: dont you know how that goes? once you get a job at palm you stop talking in #webos Sep 11 01:25:46 heh Sep 11 01:26:30 oil: argh... so, I'm stuck with Forums support at the moment per my belt color? :) Sep 11 01:26:42 lol, like belts mean anything Sep 11 01:26:47 hahahaha Sep 11 01:27:00 ya, they get you loaner hardware. or not. Sep 11 01:27:01 I know, I know :D Sep 11 01:27:01 patrickc got a brownbelt before learning the if statement Sep 11 01:27:06 LOL Sep 11 01:27:18 Is that true? Sep 11 01:27:21 yes Sep 11 01:27:25 =[ Sep 11 01:27:30 and I really actually laugh this time Sep 11 01:27:37 because of his "app" count Sep 11 01:27:39 rwatkins: Loaner hardware doesn't really exist anymore Sep 11 01:27:50 kesne: yes, hence the sarcastic comment. Sep 11 01:28:01 and the discounts Sep 11 01:28:16 rwatkins: It pays to read, I suppose, haha, sorry Sep 11 01:28:21 * oil has no belt, still got a touchpad before it was released Sep 11 01:28:34 * kesne is a white belt. Sep 11 01:28:36 black belts could get 6 TP's at 50%! yay!!! Sep 11 01:28:39 That's how bad I am. Sep 11 01:29:00 i'm the beginner belt. w/e it is Sep 11 01:29:10 * NuttyBunny was qualified as brown as well, even with 1 app Sep 11 01:29:10 what is it, 10 apps for that next one up? Sep 11 01:29:29 hmm. anyone happen to know how to remove a specific item from a Dashboard's layer stack? attempting to clone it's list of layers, then set it back minus the one i want to remove, just leaves me with a blank single layer Sep 11 01:30:20 EricBlade: Dunno, but you could use javascript's array.splice? Sep 11 01:30:34 this.$.dashboard.item.remove() <<<< don't listen to me, i have no idea what i'm talking about Sep 11 01:30:37 dashboardItem.destroy() Sep 11 01:30:43 my app is a mess... again.. :( Sep 11 01:30:47 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html#palm/system/Dashboard.js Sep 11 01:30:50 [06:22 PM] oil has no belt, still got a touchpad before it was released << me too :\ Sep 11 01:31:01 "Public methods exist for adding and removing layers, ..." Sep 11 01:31:04 see Sep 11 01:31:58 shhh! Sep 11 01:32:02 haha Sep 11 01:32:05 :) Sep 11 01:32:24 lol Sep 11 01:32:42 *awkward silence* Sep 11 01:32:43 multitouch events being not supported properly under enyo is NO FUN :S Sep 11 01:34:36 rwatkins: yeah it says that. . but it seems to be wrong Sep 11 01:35:47 EricBlade: Palm's documentation? wrong? never!!! ;) Sep 11 01:36:06 palm's documentation is more of a suggestion Sep 11 01:36:13 there is a push() for adding one, there is a pop() for removing the top one Sep 11 01:36:24 directly deleting the item from the layers list doesn't do it Sep 11 01:39:12 aha, copy the existing one and setLayers() on it did work, once i realized i was copying ints instead of objects .. oops. what a mess. Sep 11 01:40:24 thats what she said Sep 11 01:50:02 I give up.. gonna see a movie. bbl Sep 11 01:51:18 ok guys, torture test time. Send a text message to 951-99-WEBOS, that's my test number. Don't say anything you wouldn't want in a screenshot (names, numbers, profanity will be blurred), don't say anything i wouldn't want to have in a screenshot :) Sep 11 01:51:51 that's 9519993267 for those who are alpha challenged (i know a lot of modern phones don't have those alphas) Sep 11 01:57:20 I hear there's going to be another update in first week of Oct Sep 11 02:00:34 well since no one responded to my invitation to test, i've discovered that the webOS spell checker has -no idea- what to do when you feed it Vogon poetry Sep 11 02:06:28 lmao Sep 11 02:06:37 it didn't self destruct to end the pain? Sep 11 02:08:10 that was a successful meetup :) Sep 11 02:08:12 it actually accepted "gabbleblotchits", but i think only because it had no idea what else it might've been Sep 11 02:08:48 hey EricBlade Sep 11 02:09:37 hi! Sep 11 02:15:20 ok i think i just need to figure out now, why it is that on -some- devices, the icon i use for addBannerMessage appears completely garbled on my device, but not on others. And why sometimes on any devices, it has a totally incorrect icon. I'm guessing that might be a webOS problem, though Sep 11 02:25:54 no one touchpad is the same? Sep 11 02:28:14 it really looks like a memory thing, but i don't know if my image is triggering a bug .. well, i'm guessing not, because i just disabled the image, and it's still giving garbage Sep 11 02:39:01 screenshot from what should be going out as first update .. http://ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/?attachment_id=65 Sep 11 02:43:10 GRUNTBUGGLY! Sep 11 02:43:16 I'm totally using that. Sep 11 02:51:23 i am really getting annoyed by having to reboot my device every time i want to open the app catalog **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 02:59:56 2011