**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 02:59:56 2011 Sep 11 03:03:23 EricBlade: you have to do that? Sep 11 03:06:58 touchpad has the ability to feel so slow even with 2 cores Sep 11 03:07:33 didnt reviews say theyre impressed with webos but disappointed in the hardware letting it down? Sep 11 03:07:47 i feel like webos is letting the hardware down Sep 11 03:10:26 plov: Because of the dumbass logging. Sep 11 03:10:35 Turn all of that off and you'll be surprised how much faster it feels Sep 11 03:11:16 hmm ok i'll look into that Sep 11 03:12:24 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide.html Sep 11 03:12:33 A bit tldr but.. stick with it Sep 11 03:12:40 You DON'T have to do any overclocking etc if it goes that far Sep 11 03:12:59 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/287848-my-hp-touchpad-seems-running-so-fast-2.html#post3027858 <- the meat of it Sep 11 03:14:05 Apparently every time you touch anything, launch anything, etc, it's logged. Sep 11 03:14:15 And apparently uploads logs to HP or something Sep 11 03:16:09 will somebody explain to me the obsession with coconut water? Sep 11 03:16:34 Makes you poop Sep 11 03:16:43 wtf? Sep 11 03:16:54 so basically, they left logging on all devices? Sep 11 03:17:11 Clark008: By design apparently Sep 11 03:17:19 bah Sep 11 03:17:21 Clark008: Make it easier for them to diagnose errors Sep 11 03:17:32 fiik.. It does help a lot to turn all of that off. Sep 11 03:17:35 yeah, but all devices? Sep 11 03:17:46 test devices maybe, small groups Sep 11 03:17:47 My wife's TP went from me not wanting to TOUCH it to being usable. Sep 11 03:18:00 so I take it you sold your nc? Sep 11 03:18:01 there is no turning "off" logging, you can minimalize it to only log errors Sep 11 03:18:04 Just randomly laggy.. Sep 11 03:18:09 Clark008: No, it's my wife's TP Sep 11 03:18:13 ahh Sep 11 03:18:25 for $100, get a dozen =p Sep 11 03:18:32 Although at some point I'm going to sell the NC Sep 11 03:18:41 yeah, I haven't used nc in a long while Sep 11 03:18:43 I never use it anymore.. Always use the DS7 Sep 11 03:18:51 ds7? Sep 11 03:18:55 Dell Streak 7 Sep 11 03:19:06 ahh, that got discontinued... Sep 11 03:19:09 Tegra 2, has GPS, microphone... Sep 11 03:19:12 No it didn't. Sep 11 03:19:12 went on a discount too Sep 11 03:19:16 should've picked one up Sep 11 03:19:30 And yes there was a Staples "$100 off all in store tablets" discount. Sep 11 03:19:35 Which is when I picked it up Sep 11 03:20:12 so $200? Sep 11 03:20:20 It's not discontinued. Tmobile isn't selling it anymore I think, but the wifi version is still sold. And has been seen at trade shows with HC 3.2 on it Sep 11 03:20:25 Yeah, $200 Sep 11 03:21:08 nice Sep 11 03:21:10 cm7 now? Sep 11 03:22:05 Nah, that's one of the only problems with it, not much dev on it. Although I got lucky and someone compiled a kernel with tun.ko in it, so I can use openvpn. I was a bit miffed with it for a while before I had that. Sep 11 03:22:34 how's dell's stage ui? Sep 11 03:23:00 The stock ROM is fine though... after adding tun.ko... Only problem I have with it is sometimes audio "freezes" and anything that tries to play audio freezes and I gotta reboot... seems to haappen once or twice a week Sep 11 03:23:08 FIIK, I don't use it :0 Sep 11 03:23:18 It's just a launcher. I use LPP Sep 11 03:23:19 lol Sep 11 03:23:34 I used it for about 10 minutes and went ummmmmmmmmmmmm no Sep 11 03:23:38 interesting to see dieter bohn's name liking that post Sep 11 03:23:49 (engadget/thisismynext blogger) Sep 11 03:24:07 I think I'm going to wait for other 7" tabs Sep 11 03:24:21 7" is the perfect size. 10" I'd never carry Sep 11 03:24:27 I agree Sep 11 03:24:29 7" fits in all of my pants :) Sep 11 03:24:35 same Sep 11 03:25:16 Bed time for me, and we probably better stfu before someone gets upset ;) Sep 11 03:25:23 :o Sep 11 03:25:36 I'm going to tweak the TP Sep 11 03:26:09 too bad the 7" webos tab never made production, I would've loved that one Sep 11 03:31:23 Khaytsus: "7" fits in all of my pants" --> Giggity. Sep 11 03:32:20 * Shadyman coughs Sep 11 03:33:21 just set logging to minimal w/o doing the preware patches and yea Sep 11 03:33:30 already seems snappier Sep 11 03:42:27 Shadyman: nook2 is nice that way, fits anywhere, would be cool to have a webos tablet that small and light Sep 11 03:42:50 Khaytsus: ^ Sep 11 03:44:03 instead of everyone else trying to port android to touchpad, they should be trying to port webos on all the other tablets! Sep 11 03:45:00 I'm sure some are / will Sep 11 03:45:07 or just make an android app emulator and have everyone stop whining about lack of apps? Sep 11 03:45:17 ;) Sep 11 03:48:15 i like webos only problem is the apps are horrible and no ad-hoc networking support Sep 11 03:48:49 wait a minute. touchpads cant handle files over 1.9gb in size? Sep 11 03:49:05 the os can't i dont think Sep 11 03:49:25 ? Sep 11 03:49:28 so how do i play media files that are over 2gb other then cropping them apart? Sep 11 03:50:02 you don't ? Sep 11 03:50:22 are you serious? Sep 11 03:50:30 The OS can handle it just fine Sep 11 03:50:41 Da|Mummy: are we talking about the /media/internal partition? Sep 11 03:50:44 fat32 is crappy - what do you want? Sep 11 03:50:45 bpadalino: is it fat16? Sep 11 03:50:45 the FAT32 partition that the media is stored on by default can't. Sep 11 03:50:55 fat32 should be 4gig max Sep 11 03:51:00 but fat32 can do 4gb :| Sep 11 03:51:12 maybe someone forgot to make it an unsigned int Sep 11 03:51:17 either way, ive got 20gb movie files i was hoping to play Sep 11 03:51:19 Da|Mummy: you didn't at any point reformat that disk did you? Sep 11 03:51:27 no i didnt format anything Sep 11 03:52:08 i dont have my touchpad with me atm, but i just read somewhere that it cant handle files over 1.9gb and i was like o_O Sep 11 03:52:24 o_O Sep 11 03:52:44 * Shadyman shrugs and reformats /media/internal to ext3 Sep 11 03:53:19 anything important on media/internals? Sep 11 03:53:23 where is the os? Sep 11 03:53:53 I wouldn't reformat it Sep 11 03:53:53 /media/interal is what shows up on USB when you plug it in Sep 11 03:54:08 what are we reformatting? Sep 11 03:54:10 so it wont mess with os stuff? Sep 11 03:54:16 Da|Mummy: it absolutely will Sep 11 03:54:38 /media/cryptofs is mounted from encrypted files on /media/internal Sep 11 03:54:41 * PatrickC is lost Sep 11 03:54:41 well damn, i dont want a limit of 2gb files Sep 11 03:54:55 thats not even enough for 720p Sep 11 03:54:58 and /media/cryptofs/apps is where all the apps in the catalog get installed to Sep 11 03:55:07 let alone some of my 20gb 1080p movies Sep 11 03:55:58 seriously hp, wtf. the 64kb/sec download limit was one thing, the underclocking a cpu is another thing, but 2gb filesize limit? Sep 11 03:56:19 it's kind of a filesystem portability thing .. which fs would you format it with ? Sep 11 03:56:27 that works with osx, windows and linux natively ? Sep 11 03:56:32 ^ Sep 11 03:56:36 i want ext2 like all my other things Sep 11 03:56:50 ext2 doesn't work for 95% of the users out there Sep 11 03:56:51 i was pissed off when i had to use win to install preware Sep 11 03:56:52 bpadalino: Does OSX read NTFS? Sep 11 03:57:05 Da|Mummy: Why'd you have to use windows for that? Sep 11 03:57:07 shades: i don't know for sure Sep 11 03:57:08 Da|Mummy: uh why would you have to use windows Sep 11 03:57:16 i didnt? Sep 11 03:57:18 Uh. Sep 11 03:57:19 no Sep 11 03:57:20 no Sep 11 03:57:22 no. Sep 11 03:57:24 fuckers Sep 11 03:57:25 ;) Sep 11 03:57:31 I've done it in windows and ubuntu Sep 11 03:57:38 and xubuntu, kubuntu, etc. Sep 11 03:57:48 i had a missing library trying with linux over wine Sep 11 03:57:58 Da|Mummy: there's native linux support Sep 11 03:58:00 no need wine Sep 11 03:58:03 enable dev mode, plug it in, wget the .ipkg, then palm-install Sep 11 03:58:06 oh you fuckers.... Sep 11 03:58:22 palm-install package.ipkg Sep 11 03:58:28 ipk* Sep 11 03:58:30 yay linux command line Sep 11 03:58:32 er, yeah. Sep 11 03:58:33 Da|Mummy: just get the SDK for linux Sep 11 03:58:36 but anyway, back to current problem, how to i get ext2 on touchpad? Sep 11 03:58:44 Very carefully? Sep 11 03:58:49 Da|Mummy: so, hmmmmm Sep 11 03:59:10 I'd DD the fat32 partition to an image file on your computer Sep 11 03:59:33 as a backup Sep 11 03:59:54 seriously hp, 2gb? wtf? i woulda been fine with 4gb like normal fat32 limit Sep 11 04:00:28 Da|Mummy: yeah I think it's been reported to hp as an issue, no idea the status Sep 11 04:00:35 I wonder what's causing the issue though Sep 11 04:00:49 i doubt they see that as an issue, they probably advertise it as a feature Sep 11 04:01:37 i guess i just found a whole new reason to install ubuntu on TP Sep 11 04:02:31 good luck with that :) Sep 11 04:02:34 info.villo is sex Sep 11 04:03:22 wat Sep 11 04:03:53 kesne: I want 0.9.5 now... Sep 11 04:03:57 plz :) Sep 11 04:04:07 PatrickC: Right now, there's not a WHOLE lot new in it Sep 11 04:04:15 kesne: hey, long time no seee Sep 11 04:04:20 :D Sep 11 04:04:21 Tibfib: Hey babe Sep 11 04:04:27 PatrickC: Most restructuring Sep 11 04:04:27 documented? lol Sep 11 04:04:34 PatrickC: Haha, nope. Sep 11 04:04:40 PatrickC: It's easier to use now, though Sep 11 04:04:45 that's good Sep 11 04:04:51 PatrickC: Start converting without the file! Sep 11 04:04:52 kesne: flirting with me? Sep 11 04:04:53 get on my level Sep 11 04:04:57 then we can talk Sep 11 04:05:03 I was talking with some devs tonight who are using it in their apps Sep 11 04:05:08 had a meetup tonight Sep 11 04:05:11 Tibfib: My apps sell more, therefore, I win. Sep 11 04:05:21 PatrickC: Awesome! Sep 11 04:06:04 you ummm win. Sep 11 04:08:13 Da|Mummy: my experience is that you can't play 720 or 1080 video anyway (especially not considering the screen res), so why bother? Sep 11 04:08:45 /dev/mapper/store-media on /media/internal type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 ,errors=remount-ro) Sep 11 04:08:48 only question is whether it's a 32 bit or 16bit fat Sep 11 04:09:42 EricBlade, why no 720 or 1080? Sep 11 04:10:27 Da|Mummy: because (a) there's not enough display pixels for 1080, (b) so far i have yet to be able to play a 480 without it chugging Sep 11 04:10:56 what player? Sep 11 04:11:24 i haven't tried from local media, though, i stream from the network. there's definitely not much of a point to 1080, though, you can't physically play at that res Sep 11 04:11:44 Da|Mummy: windows shows fat32 when usb drive connected... hmmm Sep 11 04:13:21 EricBlade, i understand touchpad resolution isnt made for 1080, but many of my movies are already in 1080, or at least in 720p, and ive got a 600mhz cpu device that will play 480p no problem Sep 11 04:13:50 the fact that you cant play a 480p video with perfection sounds like a big problem Sep 11 04:14:04 i've only tried over a network, so that may be the source of that Sep 11 04:14:06 and tp handles 1080p youtube videos just fine Sep 11 04:14:43 serious? i thought they were joking when they said flash could do 1080 Sep 11 04:14:56 :/ Sep 11 04:15:13 even my desktop can't do 1080 with a flashplayer, streaming it Sep 11 04:16:47 lol my laptop can play 1080 Sep 11 04:16:48 for the moment, re-encoding things for carrying them on your mobile devices is sort of a fact of life, at least until capacities go up. :| Sep 11 04:16:59 * EricBlade shrugs Sep 11 04:17:03 but i have to let it queue because it cant download it fast enough Sep 11 04:17:10 buffer* Sep 11 04:17:44 i always find it funny that we require multiple hundreds or even thousands of megahertz to do things that the Amiga 2000 used to do Sep 11 04:17:48 without even slowing down Sep 11 04:18:04 nobody wants to optimize these days Sep 11 04:18:18 and flash is by far the worst piece of crap ever Sep 11 04:18:40 flash is a pain Sep 11 04:18:44 in '95 when i started selling electronics, people were just amazed by computers that could do "full screen full motion video" .. usually cut-frame and at "full-screen" 320x240 Sep 11 04:19:21 EricBlade: that's because at the time, it was cutting edge Sep 11 04:19:27 is that when you bought your desktop that cant play 1080p files? :| Sep 11 04:19:30 the Amiga 2k would easily playback 640x480 full screen 8 years prior Sep 11 04:20:13 its no wonder amiga scene is still thriving with new software Sep 11 04:21:45 oh i can play 1080p fine, just not in flash Sep 11 04:29:18 PuffTheMagic: is TIDE PDK? Sep 11 04:29:36 * oil thinks its enyo/node Sep 11 04:30:47 when I try and hold to paste, it doesn't work Sep 11 04:30:52 so I figured it was pdk Sep 11 04:31:20 its because its not an input Sep 11 04:31:59 ah Sep 11 04:32:02 * Tibfib is buying 13" air once app payments arrive Sep 11 04:32:11 Tibfib: good for you Sep 11 04:32:25 lol. Sep 11 04:33:25 * PatrickC_TP is getting a MB... /soon/ Sep 11 04:33:30 in the coming months :P Sep 11 04:37:50 I want the wirc enyo ipk Sep 11 04:38:55 PsWii60: its not in preware yet Sep 11 04:39:02 and not functioning 100% yet\ Sep 11 04:39:02 I know :( Sep 11 04:39:11 I still wanted to give it a test drive Sep 11 04:39:18 I've used it, and it isn't the /best/ I would stick with Mojo till its ready Sep 11 04:39:38 the problem with the older builds is it doesn't have the features I want Sep 11 04:39:40 they usually post things like that on the gig Sep 11 04:39:42 git* Sep 11 04:39:48 like? Sep 11 04:39:56 show all channels Sep 11 04:40:02 without having to type /join #channel Sep 11 04:40:11 -and- all chans NOT on separate cards Sep 11 04:40:42 then check the git repo Sep 11 04:41:26 enyo is in the repo? Sep 11 04:43:34 take a look Sep 11 04:49:34 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 11 04:51:08 I should have reset the TouchPad earlier if I wanted to find anyone actually here. Sep 11 04:53:56 hey Sep 11 05:07:19 I'm off to bed Sep 11 05:07:21 night all Sep 11 05:28:16 * DougReeder waves goognight Sep 11 05:48:16 No dice. :( Sep 11 05:48:30 Hmph. Really wanted that one to work... Sep 11 05:50:02 I'm surprised that wasn't built in to the Advanced Browser app too. Sep 11 05:50:17 *either Sep 11 06:22:00 hello Sep 11 06:47:45 hello Sep 11 06:48:42 oleh Sep 11 06:50:41 ehlo Sep 11 06:51:35 has anyone handled zoom+pan by yourselves in an app? Sep 11 06:53:53 250 Sep 11 08:29:31 played with a lenovo tablet running honeycomb, after the first touch I alreard missed webos ;( Sep 11 09:26:53 anyone know where files transferred into the touchpad via bluetooth might end up? Sep 11 09:34:25 hmm. looks like they end up in "/var/palm/jail/de.metaviewsoft.printimage/tmp" .. wtf is that Sep 11 09:35:06 that's the bind mount of /tmp into a jail Sep 11 09:35:59 ohhh ok .. so every app gets one? Sep 11 09:36:50 every app gets the *same* one Sep 11 09:36:56 yea Sep 11 09:37:31 every jail'd app gets a "filesystem" that "looks like" the original one Sep 11 09:37:35 (for the most part) Sep 11 09:38:46 for convenience (since it's not for security), there's a bunch of directories that are bind mounted so they can be shared amongst them all Sep 11 09:39:37 and i presume like any normal unix /tmp is cleared on reboot Sep 11 09:40:14 even better Sep 11 09:40:18 root@TouchPad:/var/log# df -k | grep -v jail | grep /tmp Sep 11 09:40:18 tmpfs 40960 624 40336 2% /tmp Sep 11 09:40:18 tmpfs 32768 12 32756 0% /var/tmp Sep 11 09:44:23 not sure what you're getting at there Sep 11 09:44:40 a tmpfs only exists while the system is booted. Sep 11 09:45:13 it's backed by ram(+swap), and isn't really persisted to disk, so if you reboot it's gone Sep 11 10:13:06 hey guys, anybody on vator.tv? Sep 11 10:43:25 Bought the squeezebox control app - really good. Sep 11 13:33:38 morning all Sep 11 13:34:45 yay theres a webos channel Sep 11 13:35:08 got a touchpad last night, loving it so far... webos needs a good ssh/irc client Sep 11 13:35:22 there is a great IRC client Sep 11 13:35:26 it has a good IRC client Sep 11 13:35:30 I'm on it right now Sep 11 13:35:30 never tried it on touchpad though Sep 11 13:35:32 orly? what's it called? Sep 11 13:35:37 wIRC Sep 11 13:35:54 i'll have to check that out Sep 11 13:36:49 there's xterm for ssh jnix Sep 11 13:36:53 jnix: Last night? Craigslist from someone who didn't want to keep it? Sep 11 13:37:07 but it lacks modifier-keys till now Sep 11 13:37:09 Khaytsus: yep Sep 11 13:37:24 loswillios: xterm? orly? i guess i wasn't searching the right terms in the market Sep 11 13:37:31 jnix: via preware Sep 11 13:37:36 xecutah + testing.prewar.org Sep 11 13:37:41 xecutah + testing.preware.org Sep 11 13:37:45 jnix: Heh! How much? Sep 11 13:38:12 Khaytsus: 32GB for 80$ from a friend who hates it because he can't logon to his campus wifi Sep 11 13:38:16 i got lucky Sep 11 13:38:24 i've been wanting one of these so bad Sep 11 13:38:55 jnix: Oh, heh cool. Yeah the enterprise wireless is not configurable at all. If it doesn't manage to guess, it fails Sep 11 13:39:05 =/ Sep 11 13:39:11 too bad HP abandoned it so quickly Sep 11 13:39:18 My wife has the same problem where she works.. Someon gave me a link to a tweak to make to the wpa_supplicant I'm going to try Sep 11 13:39:34 Khaytsus: the 'guts' look like linux Sep 11 13:39:50 shouldn't be hard to do at all if they're using traditional linux stuff for connectivity Sep 11 13:39:59 Because it is? Linux kernel, dunno what the runtime etc is.. not gnu.. Sep 11 13:40:06 OpenEmbedded Sep 11 13:40:10 if i can get root access.... Sep 11 13:40:12 But the wpa supplicant is special, can't just replace it Sep 11 13:40:37 jnix: www.webos-internals.org Sep 11 13:41:30 Khaytsus: most of the userspace is in fact busybox or gnu utils. Sep 11 13:41:42 heh... the Dell Network(tm) blocks webos-internals.org Sep 11 13:41:43 rwhitby: do you know whether there a way to route sound to a pulseaudio Sep 11 13:41:50 *server on the network? Sep 11 13:41:56 (the part that is underneath webOS at least. webOS itself of course is not GNU) Sep 11 13:41:57 jnix: If yours feels laggy, there's lots of logging you can turn down which will help. My wifes TP felt REALLY SLOW until I did it. Sep 11 13:42:08 mine does feel rather laggy Sep 11 13:42:11 rwhitby: Aha cool Sep 11 13:42:13 i haven't had a chance to mess with it too much Sep 11 13:42:23 jnix: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide.html Sep 11 13:42:23 i got it then went to oktoberfest and got sloshed Sep 11 13:42:28 jnix: I presume you've read http://bit.ly/phd-ac already ? Sep 11 13:42:31 Very step by step, but stick with it. Sep 11 13:42:39 Khaytsus: thank you Sep 11 13:43:56 jnix: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/287848-my-hp-touchpad-seems-running-so-fast-2.html#post3027858 <-- this is really what makes it faster, the turning down of apps and such. Sep 11 13:44:15 jnix: You don't need to overclock it, I personally avoid that sort of thing, especially on mobile devices Sep 11 13:44:17 awesome Sep 11 13:44:30 rwhitby: because I don't see module-tunnel.so or thelike on the device Sep 11 13:45:18 loswillios: no idea about pulseaudio servers Sep 11 13:45:30 so far i've only downloaded angry birds... Sep 11 13:45:36 using my droid incredible for internet hehe Sep 11 13:49:38 wh ohollard Sep 11 13:56:08 i have a problem with webos 2 emulator. i added webkit-gradient styling to the filterlist and found that the command menu icon is not transparent, so now there is a grey square around back icon in command menu when i scroll (only when i start scrollling). is it a just a problem with the emulator or have anyone seen the problem with the phone too . (infact webos 3 emulator shows no problem) Sep 11 13:56:33 what does the "Make it So"patch do? Sep 11 14:03:46 WinterMute: changes the text of the justtype bar to "make it so" Sep 11 14:31:57 lol, not really a must have patch then :p Sep 11 14:40:45 hey Sep 11 16:11:08 did anything become of gtalk or skype apps or linphone on apart from the verizon pre2 Sep 11 16:43:15 hello all, I keep getting Connection refused when I try to ssh my touchpad with ssh -p 10022 root@localhost Sep 11 16:43:55 however, I can access the touchpad with novaterm Sep 11 16:44:37 I tried to reinstall many times with pdk-device-install install but still no luck Sep 11 16:44:56 I'm out of ideas Sep 11 16:55:53 is there a way to do a per application nojail? Sep 11 16:56:10 or a custom jail config with suid Sep 11 17:25:26 good morning peeps Sep 11 17:27:15 good evening Sep 11 17:38:20 noon Sep 11 17:41:34 i'm trying to get all of the keys working on my touchpad keyboard (paired with a linux desktop), but i don't get a scancode for 3 of them (brightness controls and virtual keyboard button) Sep 11 17:42:10 could somebody with the touchpad keyboard and a touchpad please try running showkey -a while pressing those keys and let me know the scancodes? Sep 11 17:51:29 here's a free music player. dropbox music player. http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/dropbox-xmlplaylist-player.893/#post-8327 Sep 11 17:58:49 turawk: this tool is not present on the touchpad Sep 11 18:03:35 belkiss: thanks for checking. i was thinking maybe there is a kernel patch that lets the touchpad see these keys but i didn't see it on the webos-internals patches Sep 11 18:25:09 is there a way to do a per application jail config? Sep 11 18:59:58 hey Sep 11 19:00:00 all Sep 11 19:00:43 hi there Sep 11 19:04:23 hi :) Sep 11 19:05:35 wow - seems like we're rather quiet tonight ;) Sep 11 19:08:18 any tips for someone switching from pre- to pre3... any pitfalls to watch out for? Sep 11 19:10:15 is there any way to remove the Youtube app, or at least disable auto launching whenever i click on a youtube link? Sep 11 19:11:17 how deep are you willing/able to dig into the system? Sep 11 19:11:59 migth be a pre-setup handler you might be able to find and disable... Sep 11 19:12:48 i'm willing to root around a bit Sep 11 19:13:06 and i can always doctor the phone if i break something too badly Sep 11 19:13:11 but i don't know where to even start looking Sep 11 19:13:46 the youtube app is so horrendously broken that i'd rather just use the mobile youtube site Sep 11 19:14:22 I'd try to "grep" for the yt app name - might be you'll find the proper config file Sep 11 19:14:58 unless it's hard-coded in the browser app Sep 11 19:15:13 i think it must be in the browser somewhere Sep 11 19:15:21 because the browser throws those links at the youtube app Sep 11 19:15:35 me_here: other than remembering to do a save/restore if you want to copy save games etc I found Pre- -> Pre3 plain sailing Sep 11 19:15:45 so there's a link handler of some kind that recognizes and then breaks youtube links Sep 11 19:16:24 first guess would be the mime type - probably yt has a specifc type... but I didn't have to fiddle with that so far, so just guessing Sep 11 19:17:24 havdn: good to know... I'll receive one next week and would love a smooth transistion :) Sep 11 19:18:48 i suspect it's filtering based on the contents of the link Sep 11 19:18:59 because for certain embedded youtube videos it works fine in the browser Sep 11 19:19:13 when you type a phrase in webos and hit enter, it'll search the phrase in say google if you set it to google, doesn't do that after i installed a few patches, anyone know? Sep 11 19:19:23 err in the browser* Sep 11 19:19:37 and anyway the video itself is just a flash object, and there's nothing in the link that should trigger a mime type handler Sep 11 19:20:33 also why is the unthrottle patch recommended for touchpad? the patch description is for pre... and i don't see downloads being throttled for touchpad Sep 11 19:20:36 adam_: oops, right - so it looks like checking the url... wich probably is hard-coded. Sep 11 19:20:48 (which) Sep 11 19:21:35 i'm sure it lives in one of the browser's .js files Sep 11 19:22:19 prov: unthrottle: "if it ain't broken, don't try to fix it" (the was a thread on precentral a few days ago iirc) Sep 11 19:22:52 adam_: the proper "grep" ought to catch that within the .js Sep 11 19:23:11 in fact, i'll bet that hte same kind of patch that enabled browser downloading could disable the youtube app from launching Sep 11 19:23:35 adam_: whatever "proper" is :/ Sep 11 19:25:18 where's the pipe on the veer keyboarD? Sep 11 19:25:58 adam_: hm, you then might have a look at that path then. Sep 11 19:26:28 (patch - fiddling with wirc on pre-, sorry) Sep 11 19:28:29 sym-x Sep 11 19:28:31 got it Sep 11 19:36:08 if I buy an app on my tp, will it be free on the phone that shares the tp's profile? or vice versa? Sep 11 19:37:01 yes.. I am going to buy an app.. :-) as long as it does ^ lol Sep 11 19:39:52 PatrickC_TP: the app has to be able to run on the phone. So, yes, if you're buying a mojo app it'll be free on the same profile devices Sep 11 19:40:03 if you buy an enyo app, obviously you won't be able to use it Sep 11 19:40:04 ok cool Sep 11 19:40:07 or fat-packed Sep 11 19:40:12 yes, or fat-packed Sep 11 19:40:40 some devs put out the same app enyoized, and charge for both the enyo app, and the mojo app, but they're "separate" apps Sep 11 19:40:49 (HD vs. non-HD, as an example) Sep 11 19:41:45 yeah Sep 11 19:41:48 I've seen that Sep 11 19:41:59 so, obviously, those apps aren't free in that way Sep 11 19:42:01 the app I'm looking to buy works on phones/touchpad Sep 11 19:42:11 Paper Basketball Pro Sep 11 19:42:36 but in general, if it's fat-packed or a mojo app, it ought to be available on both devices once you buy it if they're on the same profile Sep 11 19:43:26 ok cool Sep 11 19:48:08 kesne: ping? Sep 11 19:49:51 dawm|laptop: how's ailium coming? Sep 11 19:50:07 havent done much since i last spoke about it Sep 11 19:50:10 been busy in RL Sep 11 19:50:13 ah' Sep 11 19:50:23 RL... who needs RL :P Sep 11 19:55:05 kesne: ping Sep 11 19:55:40 nice /me just bought a veer for 100 euro from ebay Sep 11 19:55:48 fxspec06: he must be afk. I've pinged him, and was in a PM chat with him, and he hasn't responded yet Sep 11 19:57:15 rwhitby? Sep 11 19:59:24 SimpsonTP: Don't say that - I'm desperately trying not to buy any more gadgets this month!! Sep 11 20:00:43 hmm. dev q.. i've got a noWindow app that runs around, and spawns it's own window for ui stuff. suddenly, the UI has stopped responding to me (everything still scrolls, but all the other controls are completely dead) .. and the only thing coming in from the logs is from the noWindow app .. what might be going on? Sep 11 20:05:37 haydn, sorry Sep 11 20:06:59 ohhh no, this is definitely a bug in the framework Sep 11 20:10:31 EricBlade: Don't worry, HP are still supporting it... honest Sep 11 20:11:02 since i've re-written my list format, any controls that are beyond the first page, fail to fire Sep 11 20:13:51 why does webOS not like zip files... why? Sep 11 20:17:16 PatrickC_TP: Preware -> unzip Sep 11 20:17:35 I have it (I think) Sep 11 20:17:41 I did ipkg-opt install unzip Sep 11 20:19:21 PatrickC_TP: Unzip can unzip stuff Sep 11 20:22:04 still won't work Sep 11 20:22:12 'zip flags 1 and 8 are not supported' Sep 11 20:29:10 Just open up the terminal and unzip it Sep 11 20:29:11 dawg Sep 11 20:43:01 kesne: umm.. that was the log from the terminal Sep 11 20:43:31 PatrickC_TP: what kind of crazy zip file? Sep 11 20:43:37 idk Sep 11 20:43:42 kesne emailed it to me Sep 11 20:43:58 and the extension is just .zip... Sep 11 21:02:22 are there built-in aocons i can use or do i need to pull them from example apps and include them in my app? Sep 11 21:39:27 this place used to be poppin. now its nottin Sep 11 21:42:51 anyone know if the box.net account is limited to 25MB uploads/ Sep 11 22:01:19 does uberkernel provide any performance benefits without overclocking? Sep 11 22:17:37 http://ompldr.org/vYWI3Ng/tide_2011-11-09_181015.png Sep 11 22:17:51 oh dang Sep 11 22:18:04 2nd touchpad just went through in bank account Sep 11 22:18:11 not a nice surprise Sep 11 22:18:17 PuffTheMagic: noice Sep 11 22:18:51 what is it Sep 11 22:19:14 text editor? Sep 11 22:19:20 lol Sep 11 22:20:37 does webos clear the cache whenever you exit the browser? Sep 11 22:21:07 because websites seem to load 3-4x faster on my laptop than on my touchpad Sep 11 22:22:17 PsWii60, more than a text editor, its a code editor, has highlighting and shit Sep 11 22:22:27 ahh nice Sep 11 22:31:00 what do you mean, went through in bank account Sep 11 22:31:08 it went through and ate your bank account? Sep 11 22:31:53 PuffTheMagic: that. looks. awesome. Sep 11 22:33:15 hello, my touch pad seems to have reset itself and lost the installed applications, along with it the hp app catalog. Is there any way to install the hp catalog other than doctoring the touchpad? Sep 11 22:34:27 the app catalog is not there? Sep 11 22:34:29 it doesnt work like that so yeah.. um doctor.. Sep 11 22:34:48 i love these stories people come up with when they do something stupid such as delete the app cat app Sep 11 22:34:48 well actually he may be able to dawm Sep 11 22:35:04 if you goof around, expect to doctor Sep 11 22:35:05 i was able to delete the stock music app and reinstall it Sep 11 22:35:28 fxspec06, thanks Sep 11 22:35:30 :) well, I didn't delete it. I installed uber kernel, removed it, and when the app rebooted, every application installed seems to have disappeared Sep 11 22:35:43 that doesnt happen, but ok Sep 11 22:35:46 vrthra: have you rebooted your touchpad Sep 11 22:36:01 it came back up after reboot, do you mean once again? Sep 11 22:36:02 and ran the emergency recovery tool in preware Sep 11 22:36:21 so you're saying the app catalog is there now? Sep 11 22:36:28 -- emergency recovery tool - didn't know about it, I will check Sep 11 22:36:45 actually i meant to say emergency reconstruction utility Sep 11 22:36:47 preware is gone too Sep 11 22:37:01 vrthra: that sound like cryptofs is not mounted, first try rebooting Sep 11 22:37:06 ok Sep 11 22:37:19 reboot first then report back Sep 11 22:37:34 booting.. Sep 11 22:39:33 no change. How do I check cryptofs? Sep 11 22:41:17 vrthra: do you have command line access? novaterm etc Sep 11 22:41:48 yes Sep 11 22:41:57 getting it up now, Sep 11 22:43:08 what should I check for? Sep 11 22:43:21 well first see is there anything in /media/cryptofs Sep 11 22:43:58 well, there are a few directories Sep 11 22:44:04 nothing inside the dirs though Sep 11 22:44:25 ok so then the cryptofs has been resetted for some reason, never seen that happen Sep 11 22:44:48 oh wow Sep 11 22:44:48 don't think that there is any other possibility than doctor, or you could try full erase as well Sep 11 22:44:57 but as said never seen that so don't know if there is a fix Sep 11 22:45:00 could it be that some application created the dirs on the mount point? Sep 11 22:45:01 yeah.. uhm.. that's pretty much not supposed to happen Sep 11 22:45:22 well to make sure that it really is cyrptofs see type: df Sep 11 22:45:25 hey sconix !!! Sep 11 22:45:33 maybe there's a webos virus or something. Curious: do you remember the LAST thing you did before that happened? Sep 11 22:45:34 if there is an /media/cryptofs entry then its mounted but it has been wiped Sep 11 22:45:42 no entry :) Sep 11 22:45:50 there is cryptodb, cryptofilecache Sep 11 22:45:53 PatrickC_TP: well hey there Sep 11 22:45:55 no cryptofs though Sep 11 22:45:58 fxspec06: seriously... Sep 11 22:46:10 fxspec06: he said he installed uberkernel and then uninstalled it.. Sep 11 22:46:13 long time no see Sep 11 22:46:13 definitely not the cause Sep 11 22:46:16 nothing mounted on /media/cryptofs Sep 11 22:46:20 vrthra: so there is no cryptofs with /media/cryptofs mount point? Sep 11 22:46:25 no Sep 11 22:46:34 hmm then its not mounted not sure how to fix that either :) Sep 11 22:46:54 as i said 10 minutes ago.. doctor. Sep 11 22:47:00 PatrickC_TP: yes been busy with other stuff for the summer and now when its over I have been busy with getting webOS code uptodate :) Sep 11 22:47:12 :-) Sep 11 22:47:59 fxspec06: I was following tutorial for getting ubuntu, Sep 11 22:48:33 fxspec06: then went over and tried optimization steps Sep 11 22:48:34 fxspec06: see.. exactly what i said Sep 11 22:48:48 first the story was i installed uberkernel then removed it and now its broke Sep 11 22:48:51 now the truth comes out Sep 11 22:49:01 hey no reason to be hard on him Sep 11 22:49:07 :/ Sep 11 22:49:10 be honest from the get go Sep 11 22:49:15 makes it easier to help fix the problem Sep 11 22:49:34 iirc.. you need to metadoctor to get ubuntu working anyways Sep 11 22:49:38 it would have made it easier. but maybe he didn't realize that would have had an effect Sep 11 22:49:39 well, uberkernel was the thing that asked me to reeboot Sep 11 22:50:14 I did ask if I should doctor Sep 11 22:50:25 that was my first question. Sep 11 22:50:40 and i answered yes you need to over 10 minutes ago Sep 11 22:50:42 but for ubuntu Sep 11 22:50:46 you need to metadoctor Sep 11 22:50:51 in order to build the proper partition Sep 11 22:51:21 next time you need help, be sure to include as much information / details on what you were doing, and explain exactly what happened, and when, and anything that could have effected it Sep 11 22:51:29 fxspec06: sure Sep 11 22:51:34 this way we can propperly diagnose and be a big happy family Sep 11 22:51:47 and i wont pick on you Sep 11 22:52:27 :) thank you, but I suppose my question was misunderstood. I went over, doctored my tp, got ubuntu on it, and was trying out various kernels Sep 11 22:52:58 then I noticed that my tp was getting frozen once in a while (the touch ripple seems to freeze) Sep 11 22:53:01 what kernels did you try before uberkernel, and did any of them crash? Sep 11 22:53:10 uberkernel is the first Sep 11 22:53:35 it freezed often. If that is what you mean Sep 11 22:54:06 so I tried retracing my steps back Sep 11 22:54:25 uberkernel works good for me Sep 11 22:56:13 dawmlaptop: and a nitpick about my question: I asked if there was a way to install hp catalog, and you said I deleted the catalog. So I defended by telling what happened. Sep 11 22:56:55 losing the mount for cryptofs is deleting the catalog Sep 11 22:57:03 dawlaptop: which was that I didn't delete it manually. Sep 11 22:57:34 dawlaptop: true, but your reply suggested I did that intensionally Sep 11 22:58:01 any way, thanks, :) Sep 11 22:59:39 you can still install the catalog vrthra Sep 11 22:59:52 whats a good terminal emulator? Sep 11 23:00:06 I suppose, but I got to get the cryptofs mount back Sep 11 23:00:57 unless you have /media/cryptofs/apps intact, nothing will work and a doctor will be required Sep 11 23:00:58 you can extract the doctor and look in usr/palm/applications to find the app catalog Sep 11 23:01:04 ok Sep 11 23:01:25 fxspec06: no you cant Sep 11 23:01:30 there is no place to install it Sep 11 23:01:31 plov: xecutah in testing.preware.org Sep 11 23:01:37 since the cryptofs isnt mounted Sep 11 23:01:43 again, unless you have /media/cryptofs/apps intact, nothing will work and a doctor will be required Sep 11 23:01:52 that dir is there Sep 11 23:01:56 /media/cryptofs/apps Sep 11 23:02:10 is there anything inside of it? Sep 11 23:02:11 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/BrowserServerPlugins Sep 11 23:02:16 just a directory Sep 11 23:03:45 one more question, from this situation, is there a way I can save my profile info (accounts)? Sep 11 23:04:03 its already saved Sep 11 23:04:19 oh, doctoring does not wipe it? Sep 11 23:04:30 your webOS profile stores everything Sep 11 23:04:38 what apps you had installed (non-homebrew) Sep 11 23:04:44 preferences, accounts ..etc Sep 11 23:04:45 it backs up nightly. if you can i would do a manual backup right now Sep 11 23:04:57 ok Sep 11 23:05:12 also i would install save/restore with webos quick install and back up your cookies (if there are any left) Sep 11 23:05:19 that lessens the pain :) thank you Sep 11 23:05:38 fxspec06: there are no apps installed, save/restore isnt gonna find anything Sep 11 23:06:43 oh yes. i forgot that save restore depends on the actual apps themselves being installed. oh well Sep 11 23:06:48 lol Sep 11 23:12:32 http://ompldr.org/vYWI3cw/tide_2011-11-09_190404.png Sep 11 23:12:37 with replace and replace all :D Sep 11 23:14:44 cheap nook: http://1saleaday.com/ Sep 11 23:16:31 btw PuffTheMagic - thanks for developing freeTether :) .. I filed a ticket a few days ago, but I can't reproduce the bug when connecting via USB .. so maybe it was a problem on my Veer .. or maybe it's a wifi or bluetooth thing only.. anyway.. good night everyone Sep 11 23:17:25 http://img.ly/images/1946200/full Sep 11 23:18:08 damn bugs Sep 11 23:29:06 leiru: good one Sep 11 23:29:37 javascript ninja on his way :) Sep 11 23:35:15 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/298447-touchpad-screen-can-see-electrodes-grid-fashion.html Sep 11 23:35:27 my touchpad has electrodes! I CAN SEE THEM! manufacture defect! Sep 11 23:41:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkMAgPqaXE&t=0m7s Sep 11 23:41:16 thats what i think about your electrodes Sep 11 23:42:46 did i just get rick rolled Sep 11 23:42:53 lol Sep 11 23:43:07 you just got dumbed Sep 11 23:43:16 divStar, Veers have some issue apparently Sep 11 23:45:16 not a rick foll >.< Sep 11 23:45:38 wow Sep 11 23:45:44 fxspec06: you are dumb Sep 11 23:46:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qe6V_P6olA Sep 11 23:46:26 I Am Legend 2 Trailer .. Sep 11 23:46:32 seriously? i thought he died Sep 11 23:47:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rickroll Sep 12 00:08:03 bye Sep 12 02:28:01 Any chance that there's a way now, or in the future will be, to access the Touchpad camera from within flash on a site, like for tinychat for example ? Sep 12 02:28:56 hey folks :) Sep 12 02:29:51 i want a nice clean slate for my VEER, but when I did that last time.. it restored via Palm Cloud's backup thing.. how do i make it so that its a 100% clean slate Sep 12 02:30:35 supposedly turning off backups first should do it Sep 12 02:30:47 I have found a reboot afterwards can help Sep 12 02:30:50 oh my goodness Sep 12 02:30:58 I just found a killer feature for nomnomnom Sep 12 02:31:34 I want deets, now Sep 12 02:31:57 also, the "mark as read while scrolling" thing seems to be broken in weird ways in the most recent beta Sep 12 02:32:06 liar Sep 12 02:32:08 no Sep 12 02:32:10 not liar Sep 12 02:32:18 be back in a sec Sep 12 02:34:04 ohhh kay Sep 12 02:35:01 so, it only sometimes actually does it Sep 12 02:35:08 other times, nothing gets marked as read Sep 12 02:36:49 doubledub-tp: turn off backups, and then use the doctor -- then it should be clear when i start over? Sep 12 02:36:59 what happens when i delete the device off my profile? Sep 12 02:45:08 not sure **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 12 02:59:57 2011