**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 19 02:59:57 2011 Sep 19 03:00:02 shouldn't you be learning C? you've been talking about it for ages Sep 19 03:00:13 I thought it was Obj C? Sep 19 03:01:05 akanster: obj. c once I get a mac Sep 19 03:01:15 bpadalino: that was got a game that'll never happen Sep 19 03:01:17 lol Sep 19 03:01:35 i see Sep 19 03:02:34 I need VB so I can port my app to Roku Sep 19 03:04:30 Yeah uhhhhh I had to look that up, haha. Sep 19 03:04:34 Roku doesn't use VB. :T Sep 19 03:05:37 it uses something similar Sep 19 03:05:45 * akanster is on the Roke dev page too. Sep 19 03:06:09 Roku* :P Sep 19 03:06:17 yeah, that one :) Sep 19 03:06:21 lol Sep 19 03:07:29 Then learn what Roku uses, not the "similar" thing. :T Sep 19 03:07:55 lol Sep 19 03:09:44 http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/entry.php?b=4 Sep 19 03:11:36 well damn, now I want a Roku more than ever. Sep 19 03:11:49 lol Sep 19 03:12:00 its the same price as Apple TV and does tons more Sep 19 03:14:03 I've got a Boxee Box, because well. <3 Sep 19 03:14:16 I already use my XBOX for Netflix and Hulu Plus. I have a WD TV for everything else and I'm out HDMI ports :) Sep 19 03:14:26 we know SineOt, we know :P Sep 19 03:28:10 http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233 Sep 19 03:34:39 SPAM! Sep 19 03:38:04 lol Sep 19 03:44:14 * rwhitby agrees with |Jason8| Sep 19 03:45:19 <|Jason8|> People being upset has been bugging me for a while, now. Sep 19 03:46:34 |Jason8|: but think of it, the HP employees have had how long to get them? Sep 19 03:46:39 |Jason8|: agreed. The public had their right to buy a TouchPad at RRP. Any angst about not being able to get one at firesale prices is their problem, not HP's. Sep 19 03:46:43 * PatrickC is the writer of that forum post Sep 19 03:46:54 <|Jason8|> So? Sep 19 03:47:29 PatrickC: I think you have a narrow view of what a HP employee is. Sep 19 03:47:30 I agree with NuttyBunny's comment also, how do they expect a platform to grow without letting developers get them? Sep 19 03:47:54 rwhitby: employee == someone who works there Sep 19 03:48:02 correct? Sep 19 03:48:07 PatrickC: if you think developers are getting firesale touchpads ahead of general public, you're not watching what's actually happening Sep 19 03:48:27 PatrickC: HP employees in Australia, for example, have had no better ability to get a touchpad than anyone in the public. Sep 19 03:48:46 rwhitby: I'm saying developers *should* be able to get them before the general public Sep 19 03:48:50 Perhaps you are thinking of HP employees who happen to work in the building surrounding the Sunnyvale shop. Sep 19 03:49:08 PatrickC: I'm saying that too. you're not saying that in your forum post though. Sep 19 03:49:18 I did in my comment Sep 19 03:49:30 after NuttyBunny brought up developers Sep 19 03:49:40 "Do you think that we (the consumer market) should get first crack at them?" Sep 19 03:50:05 my comment under |Jason8|'s says the thing about developers Sep 19 03:50:11 NuttyBunny's post I agree with. Your's I do not. Sep 19 03:50:12 I'll update the main post too Sep 19 03:50:27 rwhitby: read below NuttyBunny's post Sep 19 03:50:35 I'm updating mine as we speak Sep 19 03:50:44 I'm referring to the main post, not the revisionist version. Sep 19 03:51:12 rwhitby: I'm fixing the main post now Sep 19 03:54:43 rwhitby, |Jason8|: original post updated Sep 19 03:55:26 <|Jason8|> ooo Sep 19 04:51:42 you can keep your loaner tablet for $150. not a bad deal Sep 19 04:52:37 I just updated the Astronomy Picture of the Day app to version 1.0 - it has descriptions and copyright stuff now. much more useful Sep 19 04:55:45 nohorse: yeah, bummed that I waited so long on the loaner program :< Sep 19 04:55:55 been pretty much a crap shoot to find one Sep 19 04:56:51 easy to find them at full original price ;) Sep 19 04:57:50 yeah, too bad my funds aren't exactly open to dropping full price ;P Sep 19 05:17:13 she says she wants it for drip use Sep 19 05:18:01 oops wrong channel Sep 19 05:18:50 lol Sep 19 05:19:16 <|Jason8|> welp Sep 19 05:19:22 that was about an electronic cigarette lol Sep 19 05:19:38 i came in here to ask the probably stupid question "meta doctor is destructive, yes?" Sep 19 05:20:32 <|Jason8|> :v Sep 19 05:20:43 <|Jason8|> extremely stupid Sep 19 05:20:44 <|Jason8|> however Sep 19 05:20:47 <|Jason8|> i don't know the answer Sep 19 05:25:52 i've decided i've had enough BS trying to build a cross compiling system, and that it would be easier for me to fark everything up by installing ubuntu on the touchpad Sep 19 05:30:16 meta-doctor is potentially destructive of your data, but usually leaves /media/internal alone Sep 19 05:31:46 there is a method of repartitioning which can be done without having to doctor Sep 19 05:32:41 the big on screen icon that looks like it indicates "please insert a processor" is a bit disturbing. Sep 19 05:33:40 and so is the fact that i'm sitting at 12% and nothing appears to be happening. i assume that it's a long process, though Sep 19 05:35:20 is 2gig enough to build a development environment, i wonder? Sep 19 05:39:40 ugh, it's a tux logo. :D Sep 19 05:44:08 EricBlade: I hope you're running the doctor on the command line, so you can see the console log, rather than flying blind. Sep 19 05:44:28 ran it from windows Sep 19 05:44:55 doesn't matter. Sep 19 05:45:23 i just ran the jar from explorer .. oh well. already done and restoring my data it says Sep 19 05:49:27 ok reentering all my account passwords makes this not a process i want to repeat often Sep 19 06:18:23 i probably should've configured the doctor to auto load preware and stuff Sep 19 06:22:33 hmm. my device is ridiculously fast after doing this. do we crap up like windows, or is it probably more likely that some of the "speed" patches don't really do much Sep 19 06:30:38 EricBlade: boot time is dependent upon number and size of apps installed Sep 19 06:30:59 normal speed is dependant on how many background synergy services are checking and syncing Sep 19 06:33:35 howdy folks! Sep 19 06:33:46 howdy ajay_! Sep 19 06:34:20 i hope whoever it was that was searching for the touchstones at a reasonable price finally found them? Sep 19 06:34:33 (sorry i forget nicks quick!) Sep 19 06:35:43 EricBlade: How's it going? Sep 19 06:38:13 oh damn, some fool is sellin his 64gb TP+acc for $589. eek Sep 19 06:42:41 eh, sleepy in here for sure.. anyways, if anyone hasn't hit it yet, hp's havin a pretty good sale on accessories atm, case for $20, touchstone for $25 (if was already in cart).. oh some are getting case for free, i'm not so lucky Sep 19 06:45:50 when oh when are they going to have the Touchpads though? ;p Sep 19 06:45:56 Need a tablet to go with my keyboard Sep 19 06:53:20 ajay_: how do I get that $25 touchstone? :p Sep 19 06:55:34 Xuzz: you have to have had them in your cart first.. Sep 19 06:55:46 i had one in my cart from earlier today… too bad, didn't get it :( Sep 19 06:56:17 they're a tricky bunch.. i was lucky to have touchstones in my cart, if only i had the cases i think they woulda been free! makes it hard for me to decide if i should buy them at $20 or not, hrmm.. Sep 19 06:56:25 sineot: nah, i heard it works well w/ your pre! Sep 19 06:56:48 gah, save+Restore is not restoring my bluetooth profiles.. and i forgot it doesn't save the new mode switchers profiles, OOPS! Sep 19 06:57:12 sineot: I thought you had one tho? Sep 19 06:57:23 hey rod! Sep 19 06:57:49 ajay_: you can ship it to me for $20 :) Sep 19 06:57:50 :p Sep 19 06:58:40 rod! Oh I just had a ponderance.. i don't suppose you have any good videos of you speaking about homebrew stuff? pref on a more technical level.. (i'm still having trouble thinking of good user group mtg content) Sep 19 06:59:09 just the nyc dev day video on youtube Sep 19 06:59:27 Xuzz: I'm not sure exactly which you're talking about, but with all the smileys i assume there's some joke involved Sep 19 06:59:47 :) Sep 19 06:59:56 ajay_: no, i'm serious, if you want to ship it to me for $20 + shipping i'll paypal you. Sep 19 07:00:01 but, you'd have to trust me to do that. Sep 19 07:01:11 Damn, $25 for a touchstone. If I could have gotten it for that i'd gotten a 2nd Sep 19 07:01:38 if i didn't just become flat ass broke, i'd buy a couple extras Sep 19 07:01:44 i guess the folks predicting further accessory price drops may be correct.. (but damn, they've got some major inventory i didn't realize!) Sep 19 07:01:57 i do know i'm calling HP tomorrow and seeing if they'll give me the price difference on the stuff i obught two weeks ago Sep 19 07:02:12 I still need a case, so I'll probably buy it now Sep 19 07:02:40 Wish I gotten one of the $50 Pre 2's Sep 19 07:02:44 EricBlade: I keep thinking about calling them about PMs (PriceMatch) but never feel confident enough after a retailler spent a bunch of time verifying my claim only to say no (I didn't expect the verification) Sep 19 07:02:49 wrea: ditto! Sep 19 07:03:35 ok i need a window manager on this thing.. suggestions? Sep 19 07:03:38 * ajay_ hates shipping, major reason for being a lazy ebayer Sep 19 07:04:06 * ajay_ is trying to think of a name of a window manager that would be like a joke, mind.. failling.. Sep 19 07:05:27 wrea: i pray for $75 pre3s [for all] Sep 19 07:07:06 $75 AT&T Pre 3's even Sep 19 07:07:16 with extra RAM added in Sep 19 07:07:33 I'm a verizon man myself.. (I wonder if the Vzw ones can be hacked to do dual ATT/VZW.. hrmm..) Sep 19 07:08:02 extra ram? Ooo, I didn't hear about that.. nor did i hear how big the usb is.. (hoping 32+ but will see..) the 64gb panda touchpad woulda been sweet tho :( Sep 19 07:08:17 ajay_, We can nly dream Sep 19 07:08:43 * ajay_ needs to figure out exactly how "World phones" work.. Sep 19 07:09:40 rwhitby: does the extra RAM help? Sep 19 07:09:52 i know the TMCs on my pre2 and TP are annoying as all.. Sep 19 07:10:15 Ive never gotten TMC on my TP Sep 19 07:10:16 ajay_: there is no extra RAM Sep 19 07:10:21 Pre 3 has less ram than Pre 2 Sep 19 07:10:25 ?! Sep 19 07:11:02 AT&T Pre 3 has 16GB flash, but same RAM as EU Pre 3 (which has less available RAM to Linux than Pre 2 due to single core cellular architecture) Sep 19 07:11:23 Pre 3 is effectively 380MB instead of 512MB Sep 19 07:11:57 wait, pre+->512mb (166mhz) ram, pre2->512(200) pre3.. (speed unavail) oh my.. Sep 19 07:11:58 my "with extra RAM added in" is a dream, not a statement. Sep 19 07:14:22 rwhitby: could i ask you to briefly explain what the diff is btwn the pre2 and pre3 that causes the latter to have less ram avail? and the (easier?) q is has that effected performance in your opinion? (assuming you have a pre3) Sep 19 07:14:45 Pre 2 has separate modem chip, with it's own ram chip. Sep 19 07:14:51 Pre 3 modem shares system RAM. Sep 19 07:15:34 means you get TMC errors on Pre 3 Sep 19 07:15:50 oh.. that is .. unfortunate. i wonder if that's true for cdma too.. Sep 19 07:15:52 eek Sep 19 07:15:58 yep Sep 19 07:16:05 hmm. how to get a window manager to start instead of a giant terminal window.. Sep 19 07:16:26 but i already get TMCs on my Pre2 and TP! (I long thought (smugly?) w/ my Vz Pre+ that TMCs were something of the past, w/ nothing to do w/ me! alas..) Sep 19 07:16:52 EricBlade: are you running ubuntu? There's a (from brief examination) GREAT ubuntu setup script, it'll setup lxde or .. another Sep 19 07:17:12 yeah.. just installing lxde right now Sep 19 07:17:14 but i think you just need to edit some files.. xsession? gconf? hrmm.. Sep 19 07:17:44 EricBlade: check this script (again, assuming ubuntu, it didn't work on my debian): http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/295909-easy-autoconfiguration-ubuntu.html Sep 19 07:18:22 rwhitby: so do you run pre2 day to day over your pre3? (or run all? or is this too many personal questions? :) Sep 19 07:18:46 I have run a Pre 3 for just over a week now Sep 19 07:19:31 are the frequencies the exact same in Oz as Eu? Somebody w/ a Eu Pre3 was just complaining to me that they're missing one of ATT's bands so it kinda sucks for him.. Sep 19 07:19:56 oh i guess it varies by carrier.. Sep 19 07:21:10 my choice of carrier (being unlocked GSM I can choose on a whim what carrier I use) supports all four bands, so I can use almost any phone from anywhere. Sep 19 07:21:34 EU Pre 3 doesn't do 850 for AT&T. Sep 19 07:22:26 yeah, so he often drops down to edge (1x?), and has dropped calls.. if it supports all 4, it'd be good to have a phone that has all 4, so if it can't pick up one you'd be good w/ another no/ Sep 19 07:25:07 no webOS phone does all four Sep 19 07:26:10 rwhitby: well sure, i just meant in general or for best pref Sep 19 07:28:14 thanks for the link ajay. makes me remember how much i hate stupid package dependencies in ubuntu. wtf do i need ghostscript for. grr. Sep 19 07:28:53 EricBlade: haha.. i love debian/ubuntu pkg dependencies actually! What you need ghostscript for? I couldn't tell you, but i'm willing to be money that if it says it needs it, it needs it Sep 19 07:29:02 s/be/bet Sep 19 07:29:05 and printer support. printer support and the size of it all just absolutely infuriates me. Sep 19 07:29:17 oh yeah, ok i see what you mean now Sep 19 07:29:41 i saved almost 200mb on my netbook (on a 3.4gig system partition) just by removing ghostscript and printer support Sep 19 07:29:56 but ubuntu fought with me every step of the way to do it without uninstalling wholesale chunks of the system Sep 19 07:29:58 EricBlade: in that case i'd just figure out what the script is installing that depends on that, and then just use the rest of the script (assuming you're ok tweaking a script) Sep 19 07:30:51 hm, this is confusing, but looks like optimal pricing is to buy 3 touchstones.. (for about what i paid for 1 orig? world is crazy sauce!) Sep 19 07:30:55 hell i'll probably just end up redoing this and configuring it so that the X programs all just run with my desktop computer as the viewer anyway Sep 19 07:31:20 EricBlade: umm.. no offense, but doesn't that, uh, ruin the point? ;^) Sep 19 07:31:21 since i mostly just want this to try my hand at seeing if i can recompile some things for arm Sep 19 07:32:28 i am absolutely serious about developing for this platform, if it will continue to stay afloat. there is -so- much wasted potential here Sep 19 07:33:01 EricBlade: serious.. i tried to compile some stuff though and it was pretty difficult.. dunno why Sep 19 07:33:27 with WIDK? Sep 19 07:33:33 wrea: w/ anything ;^) Sep 19 07:34:12 Well, I've been compiling stuff fine. Sep 19 07:34:33 hmm. after a while, that script threw a crap ton of messages about various things not existing on the display, and then it seems to have frozen, after starting up the window manager Sep 19 07:35:08 I dont see much in running a wm in a wm Sep 19 07:35:22 Or a chroot on the tp in general Sep 19 07:36:17 i don't seem to be able to cross compile squat successfully. i've had several compiles succeed, but then they'd just run on the intel. Sep 19 07:36:23 ATT isnt offering the Veer for a $0.01 anymore Sep 19 07:36:36 * ajay_ LOVES the chroot on ubuntu.. and the wm! feel its necessary Sep 19 07:36:42 s/ubuntu/TP Sep 19 07:37:05 ok well it's functional now.. if there were a window manager designed for the tablet, then we'd be all hukt up Sep 19 07:37:16 wrea: was that w/2-yr contract? eek.. better to get one for $50 Sep 19 07:37:43 Yeah, with a 2yr Sep 19 07:37:45 * ajay_ would love to see android or meego in a chroot, more tablet-friendly WMs Sep 19 07:37:56 lol we could run our touchpad enyo apps inside the chrome browser in the chroot. Sep 19 07:37:57 * ajay_ barfs at thought of 2 year contracts Sep 19 07:38:03 wrea: how much do they sell it for now? Sep 19 07:38:06 booyaksha! Sep 19 07:38:09 ajay_, already did. Although it went in for repair right after I got it Sep 19 07:38:11 ok i gotta run to the store brb Sep 19 07:38:15 cya EricBlade Sep 19 07:38:18 eighthree, Back at $99 Sep 19 07:38:26 wrea: most curious o-O Sep 19 07:38:42 wrea: nice, think i'm gonna pick one up for fun.. Sep 19 07:39:30 ... and there's the dreaded "please throw away any cards you're not using".. sigh Sep 19 07:39:42 followed by a total lockup Sep 19 07:41:55 I had to send in my Veer because it had 15 or so stuck pixels Sep 19 07:42:52 * ajay_ just realized his pre+ has a dead pixel.. crap! maybe i can take it into sunnyvale Sep 19 07:43:15 wrea: ouch! - which colour of veer do you folks have btw :D Sep 19 07:43:28 EricBlade: how many cards do you have open? or.. Sep 19 07:43:39 and second question: are you holding it wrong, err, third q.. Sep 19 07:44:16 Black Sep 19 07:44:21 i had trouble compiling w/ the widk AND the chroot, so i'm probably just cursed :) Sep 19 07:44:31 btw. just cause some of you folks weren't awake earlier.. if anyone is looking for a spare pre3 Sep 19 07:44:44 non-att , qwerty, uk version.. Sep 19 07:44:47 The veer is the size of the screen on my gf's dumb phone, which is pretty small to begin with Sep 19 07:44:54 * ajay_ needs to buy something for $2.02 from hp.com. hrmm.. Sep 19 07:45:05 ajay_: why $2.02 ? Sep 19 07:45:17 * ajay_ wishes the touchpad had a detachable microusb.. Sep 19 07:45:31 eighthree: why, to save $5.25 (s/h) of course! :) Sep 19 07:45:37 s/pad/stone Sep 19 07:45:41 ohhh~ Sep 19 07:45:51 If I could only afford any Pre 3 Sep 19 07:46:01 the microusb ports bother me so much D: Sep 19 07:46:06 wrea: from what rod said, it doesn't sound so appealing Sep 19 07:46:20 Yeah Sep 19 07:46:23 eighthree: more or less than not having one? Sep 19 07:47:20 i would love to play w/ a bigger form factor and have a front-facing camera (need friends w/ skype now!! actually i don't play w/ any on my TP, so/but..!).. oh and TTS and sms-to-TP Sep 19 07:47:20 ajay_: agree on the shared memory on those things.. sad, but I don't have any webOS phones apart from the veer and i want to do all that touch to share and call/sms sharing on my touchpad Sep 19 07:47:35 yeah thats probably the major selling point for me.. Sep 19 07:48:08 * ajay_ wonders if there are homebrew (or hpalm?!) folks working on getting TTS to veer, or sms to rest Sep 19 07:48:18 ajay_: i like having those microusb ports, its just difficult to insert -- D: and no cover.. Sep 19 07:48:45 i would honestly LOVE an "invite" or "attendees" upgrade for the calendar on the 2.x devices Sep 19 07:48:45 http://www.amazon.com/HP-Veer-webOS-Phone-Black/dp/B00505SPYS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1316418475&sr=8-2 Sep 19 07:48:51 eighthree: I liked the cover on my Pre+ at first, but the more i use my pre2, the more i realize i don't really need it.. Sep 19 07:48:57 veer is 0.01 on amazon through att Sep 19 07:49:15 thats contracted tho Sep 19 07:49:16 right? Sep 19 07:49:21 Yeah Sep 19 07:49:30 when you can get a $15 touchstone, getting a $13 power adapter seems .. silly Sep 19 07:49:56 ya Sep 19 07:49:57 i got my touchstones for $8 ea Sep 19 07:49:58 at amazon Sep 19 07:50:25 I got mine for $5 w/ free shipping from Verizon Sep 19 07:50:35 wrea, now thats a steal Sep 19 07:50:41 free shipping with me too :P Sep 19 07:50:44 amazon prime <3 Sep 19 07:50:48 Free 2 day at that Sep 19 07:50:50 oh i meant the TP TS's Sep 19 07:51:13 eighthree, still got mine cheaper :P Sep 19 07:51:25 fair nuff ;P Sep 19 07:52:21 I got extra oem charging thingies for $2/ea through amazon too.. Sep 19 07:52:39 i bought mine at a local store that gets random shit.. this was about 8 or 9 months ago... they had it priced for like $18 with 75% off all cell phone accessories Sep 19 07:52:41 so the pre chargers don't charge the TP right? something about amps or something? Sep 19 07:52:48 my usb ports on my power bricks aren't very keen with webOS devices Sep 19 07:52:57 so it ended up being 4.50... i picked up 3 or 4 (all of them) Sep 19 07:53:13 weird Sep 19 07:53:28 ajay_: something like that Sep 19 07:53:42 OMG how did it get so late Sep 19 07:53:43 ?! Sep 19 07:53:56 i was going to try to get to palm early.. :( gtg Sep 19 07:54:00 eighthree, I'd be nice to get extra oem charging stuff for $2 though Sep 19 07:54:29 ajay_, get me some stuff :P Sep 19 07:54:35 have fun folk! sorry to start the big price discussion and bounce! haven't even decided what to do yet ! gah.. ;^) Sep 19 07:54:41 wrea: for serious? Sep 19 07:54:51 and for free :P Sep 19 07:54:57 haha, yeah right Sep 19 07:54:57 wrea: no boxes or anything but… its fine.. Sep 19 07:55:05 ajay_: aweee byes ;( Sep 19 07:55:18 eighthree, I wouldnt care for that price Sep 19 07:55:48 i better run. been fun folks. have a good night Sep 19 07:56:01 cheers Jack87 Sep 19 07:56:11 wrea: you develop apps? Sep 19 07:56:28 before i leave. how full featured is you view voicemail for using google voice? Sep 19 07:56:33 is it just for voicemail? Sep 19 07:56:42 eighthree, mostly under the hood stuff like adhoc and such Sep 19 07:57:43 * ajay_ can't figure out youview+gVoice.. and is made about voogle.. Sep 19 07:58:02 Jack87: haven't tried that app Sep 19 07:58:08 wrea: Ahh! I see Sep 19 07:58:32 Jack87: were you thinking of making an app for that :D? Sep 19 07:58:35 hum... ajay_ says voogle. i should look into it Sep 19 07:58:47 i'd pay $10 for a patch for webOS to integrate google voice Sep 19 07:58:52 eighthree, haha no. i just want to know what to buy Sep 19 07:59:03 Jack87: ahh apps wise Sep 19 07:59:03 Anyone know if anywhere sells the little end bits for international plugs on the HP power charger (the one that looks like a D cell battery) - I'd like to collect the UK/EU/US/AU set Sep 19 07:59:37 RagingMind: on their respective market sites / ebay or amazon.. why are you collecting o-O Sep 19 07:59:39 Radix-wrk, have you tried amazon? Sep 19 07:59:45 hp's site should have them to Sep 19 08:00:52 so. curious. how hard would it be to port android over to PRE phones? ~ Sep 19 08:01:35 eighthree, not easy. but why? although it has been done via memboot Sep 19 08:01:42 on an original pre Sep 19 08:01:43 Jack87: so far I've only ever seen the whole charger sold.. I just want the interchangeable end bits for the charger so I can use it when I travel Sep 19 08:01:53 idk. just wondering because folks have been able to port it over touchpad Sep 19 08:02:02 Radix-wrk: AHhh! Sep 19 08:02:06 eighthree, what are you getting at the palm store? Sep 19 08:02:28 wrea: nothing. but I'm waiting for my pre3's to arrive ^^ Sep 19 08:02:32 albeit selling 1 >: Sep 19 08:02:56 * Xuzz is waiting as well… maybe will ship today! Sep 19 08:02:58 Radix-wrk, i saw them about a month ago.. just the ends. but i cant seem to find them now Sep 19 08:03:21 what is this google icon on the touchpad site?? http://o7.no/mVLmA7 Sep 19 08:03:25 Found this: seems to have them and with a new charger - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-OEM-HP-TOUCHPAD-INTERNATIONAL-POWER-CHARGER-ADAPTER-/140602837943?pt=US_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item20bc950bb7 Sep 19 08:03:27 is it an actual app? Sep 19 08:03:54 eighthree, gmail/google talk Sep 19 08:04:06 an app? or.. Sep 19 08:04:09 like the integration Sep 19 08:04:15 integration im sure Sep 19 08:04:28 maps and all Sep 19 08:04:45 eighthree, where did you order pre 3s from? Sep 19 08:04:56 Jack87: eBay :P Sep 19 08:05:05 i got mine from palm eurostore. :\ Sep 19 08:05:10 eighthree: how much was yours? Sep 19 08:05:10 were tehy expensive? EU version? Sep 19 08:05:21 $450/520 respectively Sep 19 08:05:31 mine was $350 total for shipping, but it's AZERTY Sep 19 08:05:36 er, including shipping Sep 19 08:05:40 Qwerty for both Sep 19 08:05:50 thats the total w/shipping for both as well Sep 19 08:05:58 crazy how QWERTY costs an extra $100 Sep 19 08:06:01 at least Sep 19 08:06:11 convenience has its price Sep 19 08:07:12 where ya at Xuzz Sep 19 08:07:16 Canada here x) Sep 19 08:07:34 Xuzz, is the pre3 worth it? Sep 19 08:07:51 Jack87: no idea, hasn't arrived Sep 19 08:07:54 eighthree: San Francisco Sep 19 08:08:03 ahhh Sep 19 08:08:41 i dunno as if i can justify getting one.. as it would be to be used as a dev device. (i am not leaving sprint any time soon) Sep 19 08:08:53 I miss the bay area Sep 19 08:09:23 sprint :( sad times.. Sep 19 08:09:38 iPhone arriving @ sprint ruined everything :( Sep 19 08:09:50 no more of that platinum/premium program.. Sep 19 08:09:50 etc. Sep 19 08:11:52 Jack87: you develop apps? Sep 19 08:12:56 nah not directly. i just hang out in #webos-internals and break things Sep 19 08:13:30 eighthree, yeah stupud iphone... but they started doing away with all the good shit like 2 years ago Sep 19 08:13:54 Jack87: ahh.. Sep 19 08:15:28 my justification for getting Pre 3: 1.) iPhone's battery is failing, replacing costs a lot. 2.) Can't upgrade, will cost $600 to upgrade + renew a 3 year contract that i don't want to renew (@$120/mo) Sep 19 08:15:35 i hate the 3 year contract b.s. here in canada :P Sep 19 08:15:45 wtf, $120/mo? Sep 19 08:15:50 yea Sep 19 08:15:50 how is that even possible? Sep 19 08:16:16 plus, three year contract… ugh :( Sep 19 08:16:21 Im getting some usb cables to test ext power host mode Sep 19 08:16:53 $30 = Data, $60 for main phone, $15 for "caller ID" , "Visual Voicemail" and should-be-free shit. Sep 19 08:17:06 $105 + 12% tax.. Sep 19 08:17:08 117$ Sep 19 08:17:12 eighthree, im sorry. that does not sound fun at all Sep 19 08:17:15 so i guess 117 really not 120 :p Sep 19 08:17:57 well voogle is filled with negative reviews.. so thats out Sep 19 08:18:04 also, if some shit happened to your phone.. say you have an iPhone 4, it got stolen or w/e Sep 19 08:18:16 the company will only let you replace it with a 3GS :) Sep 19 08:18:26 and youview only does voice mail... but than again voice mail listening is the only thing i cant do gon google voice website Sep 19 08:18:53 eighthree, thats if you are insured? you get a lesser model? Sep 19 08:19:14 is that for all phone or just iphones? either way its lame Sep 19 08:19:18 doesn't matter from what it looks like.. my friend got shafted, he's on his old blackberry now.. after 2mo. with new phone.. Sep 19 08:19:31 Jack87: you're with sprint though right? isn't there a marriage between google voice and sprint? Sep 19 08:19:44 http://www.google.com/googlevoice/sprint/ Sep 19 08:20:40 eighthree, yes. but i dont want to combine my phone numbers Sep 19 08:21:04 i like having two different numbers it is handy at times Sep 19 08:21:23 you can. Sep 19 08:21:30 although i did migrate both phone numbers to use google voice (which renders my call to personal voicemail useless) Sep 19 08:21:38 Thats the second option Sep 19 08:22:09 option 2 allows you to use your gv number on your phone Sep 19 08:22:10 yup... so on webos there is no actual way of listening to voicemails via phone Sep 19 08:22:12 this can be turned off etc. Sep 19 08:22:26 well i guess i can call my own gv number. but its such a pain in the ass to weed through all my voice mails Sep 19 08:23:16 theres a few things that make my head scratch when it comes to webOS.. Sep 19 08:23:22 ill have to look and see if anything has changes Sep 19 08:23:32 * EricBlade waves at Jack87 Sep 19 08:23:39 1.) attendees on calendar app (which is in their demo video for original pre) Sep 19 08:23:45 2.) visual voicemail. Sep 19 08:23:52 i cant figure out why i cant listen to them via google's mobile site so annoying Sep 19 08:23:56 EricBlade, hello Sep 19 08:24:01 hi jack :) Sep 19 08:24:02 what format is it being served in? Sep 19 08:24:23 * EricBlade wrote GVoice, the version currently in review has voicemail support Sep 19 08:24:42 EricBlade, Gvoice eh? Sep 19 08:25:07 eighthree, i am not sure. i cant figure it out. but it errors out.. it used to actually work Sep 19 08:25:19 Jack87: oh interesting. Sep 19 08:25:29 EricBlade: oooh that blue Gvoice app yes? Sep 19 08:25:48 is it not in the catalog yet? Sep 19 08:25:50 eighthree: yeah.. it was supposed to be blue like Google Voice is .. except that it doesn't come out that way when you apply mobile gamma Sep 19 08:26:07 whats mobile gamme :S? Sep 19 08:26:12 gamma* Sep 19 08:26:13 XD Sep 19 08:26:36 EricBlade, how do i hunt down your app? Sep 19 08:26:45 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ericblade.googlevoiceapp Sep 19 08:26:47 mobile devices such as pods and tablets tend to calculate their display gamma quite differently from our PCs, so things look very different Sep 19 08:26:47 theres on there Sep 19 08:26:54 thank you eight Sep 19 08:26:54 EricBlade: ah gotcha Sep 19 08:27:07 weird why i cant search for it in catalog on device Sep 19 08:27:16 Jack87: hmm.. it worked a little bit ago Sep 19 08:27:47 EricBlade, maybe its about to transition to the new version? Sep 19 08:27:58 i see it Sep 19 08:27:58 ya. its not working lame Sep 19 08:28:01 EricBlade: cool app btw .. i should try it. Sep 19 08:28:02 really? Sep 19 08:28:36 i even had it send me a link via sms and i keep getting the "This aplication is not available for your model" error Sep 19 08:28:41 * Jack87 is using pre2 Sep 19 08:28:46 ohhh it is touchpad/pre3 sorry :( Sep 19 08:28:53 :( Sep 19 08:28:53 ah Sep 19 08:29:39 with so many people with pads around, i forget to ask "what device" first Sep 19 08:29:44 EricBlade: if you need any help with UI/UX -- hit me :D Sep 19 08:29:55 how hard? Sep 19 08:30:15 as hard as you can Sep 19 08:30:16 http://www.timothygarcia.ca/i/vulpe_1.png Sep 19 08:30:16 yup there it is on the TP :) but i dont actually need it on the TP lol Sep 19 08:30:22 http://www.timothygarcia.ca/i/vulpe_2.png Sep 19 08:30:36 http://www.timothygarcia.ca/i/vulpe_3.png --- web based stuff but :p Sep 19 08:31:10 looking at the screenshots it looks pretty sweet. well done EricBlade Sep 19 08:31:52 would there be a way to create the service sort of like a patch to integrate with the phone app itself or Sep 19 08:32:27 i have a feeling that the phone app is locked down to palm apps only Sep 19 08:32:34 it be neat to some how to voip via google talk Sep 19 08:32:34 but i haven't really looked into it Sep 19 08:33:19 EricBlade, you can always make patches to be applied for those who dont mind doing homebrew for the extra features Sep 19 08:33:34 as in phone app patechs to allow integration of your app Sep 19 08:34:34 that whole voip thing keeps rattling around in the back of my head like returnables in my trunk Sep 19 08:34:43 hum... i wonder if i install the enyo frame work on the pre2 how well Gvoice would do Sep 19 08:35:21 its not an -old- device Sep 19 08:35:27 wasn't it released this year? Sep 19 08:35:54 No, the Veer was though Sep 19 08:36:05 when did the pre2 get released Sep 19 08:36:11 i don't know of any reason why it wouldn't .. however, the hack that i use to send commands via the web browser, which is used for listening to voicemail, doesn't seem to work on the pre3 emu Sep 19 08:36:32 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/298326-enyo-pre-pre2-veer-working.html Sep 19 08:37:24 if that does work, how do you get the app, and get it to the device? Sep 19 08:37:37 morning Sep 19 08:37:38 eighthree, pre2 was officially released late last year.. didnt really start getting into peoples hands till feb of this year though Sep 19 08:37:55 ahh.. yeah. why isn't 2.2 released for these devices, veer included by now.. Sep 19 08:37:57 EricBlade, i would have to pull it from the touchpad manually Sep 19 08:37:58 whats the hold up Sep 19 08:38:00 or ask you for ipk lol Sep 19 08:38:26 good lord this touchpad compiles stuff quick Sep 19 08:38:53 or maybe i'm just used to compiling multi gig software with visual studio Sep 19 08:39:11 prolly the second one :) Sep 19 08:39:46 EricBlade, do you have a pre2? Sep 19 08:40:00 touchpad is my first palm device since we used to call them "organizers" Sep 19 08:40:16 haha nice Sep 19 08:40:19 ditto that Sep 19 08:40:42 i was going to ask if you could test it using the enyo framework... :-? but i suppose not Sep 19 08:40:51 how does the tp know which touchstone it's docked on? Sep 19 08:41:04 eighthree, it can tell? Sep 19 08:41:08 yeah.. Sep 19 08:41:13 i don't think it does, although i was under the impression from the manual, that it was able to Sep 19 08:41:14 oh wow. thats intreasting Sep 19 08:41:21 when i dock it downstairs, it launches my calendar.. Sep 19 08:41:31 in my room its the Facebook Sep 19 08:41:38 ill have to test it when i try it on my office tp Sep 19 08:41:39 o.O Sep 19 08:41:57 thats prolly a bad thing for me Sep 19 08:42:17 i was going to see if i could manually do touch to share because i thought it only used the touching to trigger the tts Sep 19 08:42:32 but with that being the case. maybe it does actually use the coil to transmit data Sep 19 08:42:51 are there any documentations for that actually.. Sep 19 08:42:53 or Sep 19 08:43:02 not that i know of Sep 19 08:43:10 was just going to digg around Sep 19 08:43:21 the documentation for writing apps.. is so mind blowingly tedious. Sep 19 08:43:23 but ya with two touchpads.. it does tts... but it needs BT Sep 19 08:43:39 would the touch stone have id's? Sep 19 08:43:59 EricBlade, its late so im going to hit the haye... do you hang out here often? so i can pick your brain about gvoice another time Sep 19 08:44:28 sure thing Sep 19 08:44:34 touch to share sucks Sep 19 08:44:53 considering your app is designed for the pre3 as well as tp it might actually work on the pre2 using enyo Sep 19 08:45:29 the pre3 support is only a side effect of "it ran in the emulator and all i had to do was move some buttons around to make it all fit" Sep 19 08:45:32 EricBlade: the only implementation of it sucks.. is there a way to tap that Sep 19 08:45:38 and create other services for that Sep 19 08:45:57 EricBlade, hehe i will cross my fingers.. Sep 19 08:45:58 eighthree: the dev manual for the tts service says that it's only capable "right now" of transmitting urls Sep 19 08:46:23 adios guys been fun chatting. Sep 19 08:46:31 cheers Jack87 Sep 19 08:46:51 i wish it was able to transmit more than that..im sure its capable of it --- but not really implemented Sep 19 08:47:41 i haven't even been able to get it to do -that- between the two touchpads here Sep 19 08:49:04 was it meant to be able to? Sep 19 08:49:09 i thought it was just pre3 + touchpad Sep 19 08:49:52 i don't know. i do remember reading something in the manual about "if they have the same webOS login", but i'm not sure if that is a requirement or not, or anything else Sep 19 08:51:53 touchpad to touchpad tts works as well Sep 19 08:54:00 oh? does it need to be on top of the gesture button Sep 19 09:01:33 argh, so close yet so far, wtf does "unsupported hardcode properties" mean Sep 19 09:11:05 hi everyone! Sep 19 09:11:24 hi! Sep 19 09:11:31 hi hasnobrains Sep 19 09:11:57 ello Sep 19 09:12:39 dow anyone knows why some apps stay static while you sliding up or down and some of them for example goes up and then moving back? Sep 19 09:12:51 did you got what I mean? Sep 19 09:17:14 no? Sep 19 09:31:31 yeah i got that. Sep 19 09:31:35 oops he's gone X: Sep 19 09:39:08 anyone know where the icons for "just type" services is located ? Sep 19 09:42:04 holy crap it -does- know what touchstone you put it on Sep 19 09:58:01 hello, i got this error when trying to upload the app. Some of the required information is missing. Please be sure to fill in the App Info, Distribution and Support pages for all countries/languages in which you distribute your app. i found in a forum that i should share the screenshots to all countries. but i don't see any option for that. anybody know it?? Sep 19 10:02:41 oh i found the reason, thanks. i should fill up details for other languages in app info tab. or i should delete them. Sep 19 12:11:45 hi gays howto change graphics resolution in webos3 Sep 19 12:34:27 hi Sep 19 12:36:54 whos has experience with perl programming language on webOS? Sep 19 13:31:36 hello, is there a way to have apt-get on the webos Sep 19 13:31:37 thank you Sep 19 13:36:41 sanesto123: you could use the ubuntu chroot Sep 19 13:37:49 sanesto123: you can use the ubuntu chroot for apt-get or the optware-advanced-command-line for ipkg-install Sep 19 13:54:16 is it necessary to provide a website for support when uploading an app? i just gave a domain name i own.will they reject the app? should i actually host one or shall i use customer support systems like uservoice or getSatisfaction or simply do nothing? Sep 19 13:55:53 I read that it would be necessary, but never tried Sep 19 13:56:36 create a forum thread on precentral.net and point the support URL there Sep 19 13:56:45 I think a website on a freehoster with screenshots, description and e-mail address is enough Sep 19 13:57:37 I have always done what rwhitby said. but now I use the webosroundup forums Sep 19 13:57:49 how much time will they take to review the app? Sep 19 13:58:09 about 3-4 days usually Sep 19 14:01:45 and if the app gets rejected by the auto-scanner? how long does it usually take for manually reviewing? Sep 19 14:02:05 read on the forums something about 3 weeks :-/ Sep 19 14:05:27 lol. thanks guys. i will try free hosting. Sep 19 14:06:57 thisisit: you can also just create a blog on wordpress.com or the like Sep 19 14:14:47 thisisit: why not just use a forum thread? quicker/easier :) Sep 19 14:16:06 well, i already gave a domain. and why should i redirect it to forum thread. Sep 19 14:16:23 better to host, when i already have to do some work Sep 19 14:16:35 indeed, you owe it to your customers to create a useful site for them Sep 19 14:16:42 PatrickC: that's true... thanks for this idea - I was actually worried about creating a website :D Sep 19 14:17:49 for years now I'm delaying to create a website of all my projects Sep 19 14:18:12 PatrickC just gave me a reason to delay it for another few years ;) Sep 19 14:19:15 haha Sep 19 14:22:45 pcworld: it's called github, and it suffices for me so far :) Sep 19 14:23:49 madnificent: but that would force my projects to be opensource if I don't want to pay, doesn't it? Sep 19 14:24:01 * rwhitby bbt Sep 19 14:25:58 pcworld: yup Sep 19 14:26:24 pcworld: for tasks@hand, i used the precentral forums, they're nice enough to give you a board (or whatever it's called) Sep 19 14:27:23 madnificent: I want tasks@hand in enyo! now :P Sep 19 14:27:28 (kidding) Sep 19 14:27:33 but srsly.. plz :) Sep 19 14:27:40 it wouldn't be a problem for me to set up a CMS Sep 19 14:28:00 PatrickC: no can do. if i'd had a tablet and some time, i would've supported it. i even started the development at a certain time. Sep 19 14:28:07 CMS is easy :) Sep 19 14:28:20 madnificent: if I wanted a board I'd just create a new subforum and made my beta forum public ;) Sep 19 14:28:35 lol Sep 19 14:28:46 madnificent: emulator serves as a good device Sep 19 14:28:56 especially on win tablets :P Sep 19 14:31:17 i don't use windows, i use emacs Sep 19 14:31:41 this was about operating systems, right? Sep 19 14:32:11 no.. the emulator runs on windows/osx/linux Sep 19 14:32:13 PatrickC: to be fair, i really believed that WebOS could become the blast with hurd on top of it Sep 19 14:33:33 PatrickC: i've ran the emulator btw. but for the profits that tasks@hand made, it really doesn't make sense to develop for a device i don't own. i hope that tasks@hand will receive development efforts from others. intelligen is looking into that Sep 19 14:33:50 i doubt it though Sep 19 14:35:07 I hope they do. I need a good tasks app that syncs between phones Sep 19 15:32:22 weird...why does Win7 sometimes reverse the order of my open windows in the task bar? Highly annoying. Sep 19 15:33:14 task bar == bottom bar? Sep 19 15:33:32 yeah Sep 19 15:33:42 I've never seen that happen Sep 19 15:33:49 sugardave: you work on the enyo team? Sep 19 15:33:52 hey EricBlade :D so it worked :D? Sep 19 15:34:02 re: touchstone stuff Sep 19 15:34:05 hey PatrickC Sep 19 15:34:12 hey eighthree Sep 19 15:34:17 sugardave: because Windows is crap? Sep 19 15:34:25 I have multiple outlook windows open, and the main one is supposed to be on the left, and new ones get added to the right...then sometimes I go to hit my reader and I end up hitting the wrong one Sep 19 15:34:35 pcworld: a likely reason, yes Sep 19 15:34:40 PatrickC: no, SWAT team Sep 19 15:34:44 ah Sep 19 15:35:08 * PatrickC needs to talk to someone on the enyo team Sep 19 15:35:20 halfhalo was Sep 19 15:35:20 sugardave: anyone from the enyo team ever get on irc? Sep 19 15:35:34 * halfhalo hides Sep 19 15:35:36 he /might/ be able to answer my question Sep 19 15:35:41 mattsmcnulty Sep 19 15:35:55 sugardave: so HP is mentioning pretty often that Enyo is multiplatform - but how should it be if we aren't allowed to use it??? Sep 19 15:36:22 halfhalo: can I have the contacts app inside of a pane in my app w/o using a com.palm appid? Sep 19 15:36:24 pcworld: that's a great question! Sep 19 15:36:31 if I could answer it, I would :D Sep 19 15:36:50 you assume that since I was on the enyo team I know _anything_ about enyo... Sep 19 15:37:33 PatrickC: HattCzech_work is working on something similar, I believe Sep 19 15:38:12 sugardave: thanks for confirming what a mess HP is... ;) Sep 19 15:39:31 sugardave: I know. that's what I was asking for :) Sep 19 15:39:44 I think it was Shane Robison who said that...might send him an email and ask him about it ;) HP email address are surprisingly easy to figure out Sep 19 15:40:17 lol Sep 19 15:40:31 is Shane Robinson in Palm GBU? Sep 19 15:41:53 sugardave: because I'm not sure if @palm.com or @hp.com :) Sep 19 15:42:00 emails are cheap Sep 19 15:42:32 psst...and it's Robison Sep 19 15:42:34 no n Sep 19 15:42:43 thanks Sep 19 15:43:03 I'll just send to hp.com, hpwebos.com, palm.com Sep 19 15:43:19 maybe I'm lucky and receive a response that's not auto generated Sep 19 16:00:44 iPhone users now have card view via Jailbreak Sep 19 16:01:17 ok? Sep 19 16:01:49 so webos is still envied enough for people to pay $1.99 to have something similar on their iPhone Sep 19 16:11:39 PatrickC: it looks neat. except the fun in the card system is flicking to close it up.. Sep 19 16:11:50 PatrickC: i dislike the tiny (x) icon to close it Sep 19 16:11:50 yeah Sep 19 16:12:01 that's changable (iirc) Sep 19 16:12:16 and I like the pulling down to slingshot on the touchpad :D Sep 19 16:12:22 I hope my pre3 does that Sep 19 16:12:38 me too Sep 19 16:12:39 its fun :D Sep 19 16:12:47 did you check out "card flick" Sep 19 16:12:50 for the iphone? Sep 19 16:12:58 its an actual business card trading application.. Sep 19 16:13:12 you share business cards by flicking up, like on webos Sep 19 16:13:13 ;D Sep 19 16:14:51 lol Sep 19 16:15:00 * PatrickC doesn't own an iOS device :P Sep 19 16:15:33 ooh Sep 19 16:15:58 * eighthree is surrounded by apple devices that's slowly being shelved for webOS devices xD Sep 19 16:16:10 i guess i fancy discontinued stuff now o-o Sep 19 16:16:39 lol Sep 19 16:16:59 * PatrickC was gonna go iPhone 5.. but I hope we move to AT&T so I can use my Pre3!!! :D Sep 19 16:17:41 who's we Sep 19 16:18:24 PatrickC: you got a Pre3? Sep 19 16:18:50 akanster: yes.. an AT&T version Sep 19 16:18:54 eighthree: my family Sep 19 16:18:57 I'm 15 :) Sep 19 16:19:05 how did you acquire one? Sep 19 16:19:11 ebay Sep 19 16:19:34 ohh Sep 19 16:19:37 wow 15 Sep 19 16:19:41 go to school hehehe Sep 19 16:19:52 akanster you looking for a pre 3? Sep 19 16:19:59 nope Sep 19 16:20:05 eighthree: I'm in school right now :) Sep 19 16:20:06 :) Sep 19 16:20:13 akanster: why not?! Sep 19 16:20:14 lol Sep 19 16:20:38 PatrickC: ha xD Sep 19 16:20:52 * halfhalo waits until said pre 3 gets locked out of the system due to being unreleased Sep 19 16:20:59 haha Sep 19 16:21:30 And black SUVs speed up to his house and men with guns run out screaming, "Return the device!" Sep 19 16:22:59 * PatrickC doesn't think that will happen :) Sep 19 16:24:53 * halfhalo does Sep 19 16:25:30 * PatrickC knows it won't happen Sep 19 16:25:45 * halfhalo begs to differ Sep 19 16:25:45 but think what you will Sep 19 16:26:03 pretty sure they would Sep 19 16:26:09 * halfhalo will rent a car to make this happen Sep 19 16:26:45 I'll buy the guns! Sep 19 16:27:05 wooo! Sep 19 16:27:15 i'll buy the george w. bush masks! Sep 19 16:27:48 who's got the nun outfits? Sep 19 16:27:57 The Town? Sep 19 16:28:13 decent movie Sep 19 16:37:54 http://www.hpwebos.com/robots.txt haha Sep 19 16:51:17 User-agent: Vampires Sep 19 16:51:17 Disallow: /neck lol Sep 19 17:04:22 who here wants to build me a google tasks app? Sep 19 17:04:22 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 19 17:04:25 http://googleappsdeveloper.blogspot.com/2011/05/getting-organized-with-tasks-api.html Sep 19 17:04:29 DougReeder? :) Sep 19 17:04:32 hey Sep 19 17:04:56 Google tasks is not heirachical - tasks can" Sep 19 17:05:06 ... can't have subtasks Sep 19 17:05:28 as long as their is categories, I'm find Sep 19 17:05:31 fine* Sep 19 17:05:37 that's a deal-breaker for Outline Tracker Sep 19 17:06:12 I don't really *need* sub-tasks... it would be nice Sep 19 17:06:25 many people don't Sep 19 17:06:33 but a free tasks app that syncs to multiple devices would be nice Sep 19 17:06:45 * DougReeder nods Sep 19 17:07:26 * PatrickC thinks he found DougReeder's next app :) Sep 19 17:09:17 I really expected that DB8 would be synced between devices. Without that, there's little reason to use a webOS phone with a webOS tablet or desktop Sep 19 17:09:53 DougReeder: DB8 being? Sep 19 17:09:58 * PatrickC hasn't looked into it yet Sep 19 17:10:25 It's the NoSQL database that came with webOS 2 Sep 19 17:10:57 ah Sep 19 17:24:10 LoneStar_DpOnR: ping? Sep 19 17:41:29 j #touchpad Sep 19 17:41:43 ooops. sorry peeps Sep 19 18:14:23 AAAAWWWWW YEEAAAAH! The build of IE10 on windows 8 supports css transitions. Sep 19 18:15:02 IE... WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Sep 19 18:15:10 WHYYYYYYYYYNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Sep 19 18:15:19 because IE sucks? Sep 19 18:15:34 Hmm you better check yourself before you wreck yourself..... Sep 19 18:15:50 CTLAdvance: !! Sep 19 18:15:53 IE < IE9 sucked Sep 19 18:16:15 I have... I hate not just the rendering engine but the UI still blows Sep 19 18:16:24 IE9 was better but didnt have support for alot of CSS stuff. And now it seems the build of EI on W8 has included support for it Sep 19 18:17:08 hmm UI is clean and crisp, not sure what blows about it. Really I have tabs, a home, for/back and 3 icons for settings and favs Sep 19 18:17:19 no wasted space for chromes slanted tab Sep 19 18:18:10 Rendering engine can handle more than chrome can.. though I havent seen v14 side by side. Sep 19 18:37:36 anyone have CTLAdvance's email? PM it to me if you have it Sep 19 18:37:39 important Sep 19 18:37:43 or his twitter handle Sep 19 18:46:43 are app purchases linked to the account, not the device? Sep 19 18:47:02 so when i delete a palm profile for my veer to switch over to a pre 3, would that delete the license for that.. or? Sep 19 18:47:22 they are tied to your account Sep 19 18:47:48 so they will appear and download on the pre 3 (assuming they are compatible with it, of course) Sep 19 18:48:15 halfhalo: weird. some hp rep told me if i delete my veer's profile to allow for pre 3, i'd have to repurchase??? Sep 19 18:48:34 for some apps, maybe Sep 19 18:48:55 IE if there are two different applications, one for veer and one for pre/pre2/pre3 Sep 19 18:49:29 its really lame that my apps or w/e is synced in my account isn't on some list i can see on the manage Sep 19 18:49:37 page Sep 19 18:49:46 o hi Sep 19 18:49:55 * eighthree pokes seretogis Sep 19 18:50:05 * seretogis winks at eighthree. Sep 19 18:51:36 just unboxed my pre^3 :D Sep 19 18:51:37 Wonder if, or when I'll get an email back from palm Sep 19 18:51:54 yay gratz seretogis Sep 19 18:51:58 wrea: for what Sep 19 18:52:16 Regarding GPL compliance Sep 19 18:54:21 heyaz! Sep 19 18:54:25 Hey Sep 19 18:54:46 quick q -- is devicetool.jar the only way to skip the sim check on a 1.4.5 device? (internet's slow, so 25mb is gonna take like 10 min, gah!) Sep 19 18:55:24 damn, noticed a dead pixel in this pre+ screen, just called support, and they said i have 5 days left in my warranty.. aye!! Sep 19 18:55:59 ajay_: aiayah! Sep 19 18:56:15 (I bought this phone off someone and barely touch it, so it was luck) Sep 19 18:56:37 heh Sep 19 18:59:28 i dont know why they need me to do interactive steps with the phone, that's not going to verify a dead pixel.. Sep 19 18:59:43 CTLAdvance: ping Sep 19 18:59:45 good lord, pulling the battery cover off of the pre^3 is .. gut-wrenching. Sep 19 18:59:56 lol Sep 19 18:59:59 I nearly fainted. twice. Sep 19 19:00:00 really??? lol Sep 19 19:00:04 why? Sep 19 19:00:46 the way you have to hold the phone, keyboard out, while you pry it off, is scary Sep 19 19:02:46 the pre3 really isn't intended to have a user-replaceable battery is it? Sep 19 19:03:13 I hope so Sep 19 19:03:13 well, I definitely don't see myself popping it open every day to swap them out like I did with my Evo. Sep 19 19:03:34 its user replaceable, just a pain to do it Sep 19 19:03:51 hrm Sep 19 19:05:24 that stinks Sep 19 19:05:34 halfhalo: have you played with a pre3 yet? Sep 19 19:05:40 si Sep 19 19:06:13 the ppi is pretty nice Sep 19 19:06:19 cool Sep 19 19:06:25 seretogis: which carrier? Sep 19 19:06:40 it's a UK one, I'm going to be putting it on an AT&T pay-as-you-go plan Sep 19 19:06:56 ah Sep 19 19:06:58 for at least a few months. my evo is toast and totally not worth signing a new two year contract right now Sep 19 19:07:07 * PatrickC is thinking of going AT&T pay-as-u-go Sep 19 19:07:20 for my pre3 Sep 19 19:07:31 I might switch over to a better Android or WP7 phone later this year or next year. Sep 19 19:07:53 I'm going to (hopefully) switch over to AT&T for good Sep 19 19:07:56 from sprint Sep 19 19:07:59 AT&T pay as you go has a maximum data limit of 500mb which is ridic Sep 19 19:08:04 yeah I'm on sprint right now too Sep 19 19:08:17 max data of 500mb?! Sep 19 19:08:21 that stinks Sep 19 19:08:31 I get a nice 22% discount on AT&T from my employer, so I may go with them long-term too Sep 19 19:08:43 I've used 40gb data on my pre2 over wifi only this month Sep 19 19:09:23 yeah, I couldn't use my evo on my home wifi network (it's not dual band and the 2.4ghz network is totally saturated) and I used about 2.5gb each month with it Sep 19 19:09:45 http://ompldr.org/vYWZiYw Sep 19 19:09:46 lol Sep 19 19:10:24 off to AT&T I go Sep 19 19:10:25 lates folks Sep 19 19:10:30 cya Sep 19 19:13:08 PatrickC: you still here omg school is important! Sep 19 19:13:35 eighthree: I'm homeschooled haha Sep 19 19:13:36 you use your phone a lot too it seems… 40GB just on your phone omfg Sep 19 19:13:43 lol Sep 19 19:13:44 how is that possible.. Sep 19 19:13:53 easily Sep 19 19:13:59 * halfhalo debates skipping his next class Sep 19 19:14:00 have a 6GB plan and it rarely reaches the max Sep 19 19:14:01 on IRC almost 24/7 lol Sep 19 19:14:03 PR0N Sep 19 19:14:12 lol irc doesn't take up that much bandwidth Sep 19 19:14:33 it's all those stories about children and lambs Sep 19 19:14:44 seretogis: I thought you could just payg for another bucket of data? Sep 19 19:15:09 sugardave: whaa Sep 19 19:15:24 eighthree: after some time, you'll understand Sep 19 19:15:40 sugardave: yes father. Sep 19 19:15:41 also, do you get corporate discounts on pay-as-you-go? Sep 19 19:15:55 seretogis is away now i think dwc- ~ Sep 19 19:16:06 yea, looks like it Sep 19 19:16:23 patricKc: IRC 24/7 does not take up that much data Sep 19 19:16:31 even if you are on fserve channels with spammy bots Sep 19 19:16:36 dwc-: I also download massive files Sep 19 19:16:43 and email a lot, and run a website Sep 19 19:16:46 I used to support ~1000 users under 100gb/mo Sep 19 19:16:48 and do FTP transfer Sep 19 19:16:54 all on your phone? Sep 19 19:17:01 yep :) Sep 19 19:17:08 that's why he needs a pre3 Sep 19 19:17:13 needs that HSPA+ Sep 19 19:17:24 HSPA+ is ridiculously marketed as 4G Sep 19 19:17:27 pisses. me. off. Sep 19 19:17:33 yes Sep 19 19:17:38 21MBPs Sep 19 19:17:46 maybe Sep 19 19:17:52 ROGERS rep told me, "It's not really 4G, but telus started marketing HSPA+ as 4G so we tagged along.." Sep 19 19:17:55 my home internet is 3MBPs Sep 19 19:17:58 and by we she meant, all of the carriers.. Sep 19 19:18:32 sugardave: even if I had 10mbps, I would be thrilled Sep 19 19:18:51 Time Warner Cable has up to 15Mbps now Sep 19 19:19:18 we dont have any cable out by my house Sep 19 19:19:22 i have 15mbps Sep 19 19:19:23 :) Sep 19 19:19:31 PatrickC: move Sep 19 19:19:33 only landline/DSL.. which is 3MBPs max Sep 19 19:19:35 sugardave: no Sep 19 19:19:46 DSL is lame Sep 19 19:19:57 * PatrickC loves his log cabin :) Sep 19 19:20:09 that sounds awesome and gross at the same time XD Sep 19 19:20:14 the word log i mean Sep 19 19:20:27 Hard to believe you can't get cable where there is DSL...I can't get DSL and there's cable everywhere Sep 19 19:20:32 http://o7.no/ppTxhQ Sep 19 19:20:38 shit upload speed ugh D: Sep 19 19:20:52 i need to further cap the folks downstairs using wireless :P Sep 19 19:21:15 we had no cable internet for the longest time Sep 19 19:21:31 comcast refused to invest in the network until they got a bunch of tax breaks or something Sep 19 19:21:38 the best internet here in the GVA is downtown vancouver.. Sep 19 19:21:43 ohhh Sep 19 19:21:44 yeah.. Sep 19 19:21:59 verizon is looking for that as well to bridge optic from bellevue to dt seattle :p Sep 19 19:21:59 so we had our 768kbps dsl and WE LOVED IT Sep 19 19:22:08 eighthree: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1491381891.png (guess they upgraded me :) Sep 19 19:22:20 rawr! Sep 19 19:22:30 Austin Tayxus Sep 19 19:22:33 *in accent* Sep 19 19:22:40 sweet sugardave Sep 19 19:23:00 awesome sugardave Sep 19 19:23:03 wtb ;p Sep 19 19:23:13 it would be like $2500 to get comcast out here Sep 19 19:23:19 they would have to run the lines... Sep 19 19:23:20 100mbps is 78$ CAD/mo here Sep 19 19:23:22 Space? Sep 19 19:24:44 * PatrickC can't wait to get his Roku XS today!! :E Sep 19 19:24:46 :D * Sep 19 19:25:28 damn, I wish you could make the bt keyboard work in first use Sep 19 19:26:06 that would be awesome Sep 19 19:26:11 sugardave: shouldn't we be hinting that to *you* Sep 19 19:26:15 :) Sep 19 19:26:19 heh Sep 19 19:27:26 PatrickC: as they say "But does it run Linux?" Sep 19 19:28:02 sugardave: I wonder if BT profiles could be included in the doctor just as Wifi is! Hrmm..! (that'd be _nice_!) Sep 19 19:28:27 ajay_: lol Sep 19 19:30:27 not sure why I jumped on the Touchpad bandwagon but I barely use mine. Sep 19 19:30:36 * akanster just isn't a tablet person Sep 19 19:32:14 akanster: cheapest, full featured, digital photoframe :P Sep 19 19:32:34 seretogis: (just catching up on what i missed when comp battery died) why don't you see yourself changing your pre3 battery daily? lasts longer? 2.2 better optimized? or just cuz its a pain? Sep 19 19:32:53 I just realized buying pre3 batteries is going to be .. difficult if not expensive. doh! Sep 19 19:33:11 eighthree: that would require a touchstone Sep 19 19:33:48 ajay_: he is away. Sep 19 19:34:02 akanster: or a case Sep 19 19:34:03 PatrickC: I don't know if that was lol material :) akanst: did you get a TP before or after fire? after its irresistible.. Sep 19 19:34:22 or a business card holder! Sep 19 19:34:23 ajay_: after :) Sep 19 19:34:26 lol Sep 19 19:35:03 ajay_: does the pre3 not use the same battery as the pre2/pre+/pre-/pixi/pixi+? Sep 19 19:35:04 PatrickC: are you saying his nick randomly throws out "lol"s? Sep 19 19:35:12 err, that was meant to eightthree Sep 19 19:35:24 * PatrickC is lost Sep 19 19:35:48 PatrickC: do the pixi and pre use the same battery? Woa I didn't even know that. Last I heard the pre3 has a bigger battery.. 1400 I think? Sep 19 19:36:07 pixi and pre use same battery, yes Sep 19 19:36:15 figured the pre3 did the same Sep 19 19:37:14 I mean, they could just optimize the OS, but no, abigger battery is easier.. ;| Sep 19 19:37:47 PatrickC: oh it's only 1230.. that's not even worth changing it, silly palm Sep 19 19:39:51 PatrickC: man, from centro to pre2 with the same battery, that's quite a streak to end.. odd Sep 19 19:40:03 ajay_: ebay? Sep 19 19:40:09 the oems will make batteries for everything Sep 19 19:40:33 i'm getting less motivated for a pre3 by the detail i hear.. Sep 19 19:40:51 dwc-: what about ebay? Sep 19 19:41:14 lol Sep 19 19:41:25 i thought you already had one ajay_ Sep 19 19:41:33 reading this thread on P|C for all these people saying the pre2 gets way better battery life than the pre/+.. i wouldnt agree Sep 19 19:41:43 eighthree:hopefully today Sep 19 19:43:01 but after hearing rod talk about TMCs (due to less RAM), sere talking about difficulty of removing battery, thinking about availability of batteries.. (I have 2 spare pre* batteries, and i've multiple times drained all 3 in a day on my pre2..) Sep 19 19:43:19 overthinking it. Sep 19 19:43:19 . Sep 19 19:43:32 or, my initial desire was underthinking it! Sep 19 19:43:33 yeah Sep 19 19:43:39 I'm on a veer silly. Sep 19 19:43:39 no Sep 19 19:43:45 you are overthinking it Sep 19 19:44:01 PatrickC: make you case Sep 19 19:44:06 r Sep 19 19:44:12 its awesome Sep 19 19:44:17 end of story Sep 19 19:44:18 oh, in that case.. Sep 19 19:44:59 the prospect of only being able to use a pre3 for 2-4 hours before having to plug it in for an hour is _not_ appealing at all Sep 19 19:45:39 that's like, getting an electric car with a 30 mile radius or something Sep 19 19:49:02 how do you currently use your device ajay_ Sep 19 19:50:04 and anyways, it's good for the cmty to have these facts come out, the unavailability of US pre3s is frustrating beyond all hell, so if you don't want it.. well, then life's perfect! Sep 19 19:50:39 eighthree: what do you mean? the usual, email, web, as a phone, little bitta apps.. Sep 19 19:50:51 for 2-4 hours straight o-O Sep 19 19:51:18 eighthree: no. It dies anyways Sep 19 19:52:07 i know it's not just me, i'm reading P|C right now and people are like "It doesn't matter what the phone can do if the battery dies at noon" Sep 19 19:52:14 i take the transit for about 2hours / one way Sep 19 19:52:41 on a veer it has approx. 45% left after rigorous use Sep 19 19:52:54 then i charge it at work.. :P Sep 19 19:52:55 someone else mentioned they get to 3p w/ moderate usage Sep 19 19:53:18 theres no proper testing.. Sep 19 19:53:24 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 19 19:53:44 was there a uhm what do they call it.. a "control" device? Sep 19 19:53:46 DougReeder: hey! Sep 19 19:54:04 maybe if i could turn off the autosync stuff Sep 19 19:54:13 bob may have more modifications/patches or apps Sep 19 19:54:16 than say sally Sep 19 19:55:03 my iPhone 3GS for example, within 2years, its battery is completely dead.. whilst someone i know with an iPhone 3gs who got it around the same time i did still manages without an extended battery pack X) Sep 19 19:55:47 he could have described his use of his phone the same way i have, except that wouldn't be so accurate Sep 19 19:55:56 i mean, if i don't use my phone and have data off it can last 24 hours, maybe more, but otherwise.. i'm not saying anything that i expect to be news to anyone. hell, I've had multiple palm employees make the same critiques to me Sep 19 19:56:06 they just don't care about doing battery optimization, the engineers were clear on that fact Sep 19 19:56:23 aye Sep 19 19:56:23 ("they" being the managers/higher-ups that control what people can work on) Sep 19 19:56:48 getting a pre3 though, you'd have already figured out for yourself if you were going to use this for a looooong time or "for now" Sep 19 19:59:04 my original intention was to get a pre3 and use it til it was getting whatever, and then move onto whichever good (non-iOS) device came out that had gestures. (HP would have likely never sold a phone to me of their own engineering) Sep 19 19:59:56 ajay_: mm Sep 19 20:00:06 i wouldn't be worried regardless.. Sep 19 20:00:06 http://www.last.fm/robots.txt haha Sep 19 20:00:14 when it seemed impossible to get, i craved it more. but getting a (likely) unsupported device with all these issues.. i want to stay on webOS, but.. current situ makes it tough Sep 19 20:00:42 PatrickC: what a strange pasttime you have! :) Sep 19 20:00:54 ever used a webos phone full-time? ajay_ Sep 19 20:00:54 wha? huh? lol Sep 19 20:01:01 looking through robots Sep 19 20:01:03 eighthree: I have Sep 19 20:01:06 lol Sep 19 20:01:09 found on twitter Sep 19 20:01:15 http://www.google.com/robots.txt Sep 19 20:01:17 eighthree: ? Sep 19 20:01:23 * PatrickC uses a web webos phone full time Sep 19 20:01:33 ajay_: use a webos phone as your main phone Sep 19 20:01:34 does that mean 24 hours a day? only if it's plugged in!! lol Sep 19 20:01:55 no i meant like. as your primary device Sep 19 20:02:07 eighthree: only smartphone i've ever used, remember how i said i can't ever get it to last more than 4 hours a day? Sep 19 20:02:18 Ahhh Sep 19 20:02:32 ajay_: time for a new battery haha Sep 19 20:02:36 err, take that back, i used android phones for 2 months before getting this Sep 19 20:02:42 ah roger Sep 19 20:02:42 :) Sep 19 20:02:47 no sprint Sep 19 20:02:48 :P Sep 19 20:02:58 PatrickC: oh it's cool, as i mentioned earlier (that 83 musta missed) I run through 3 batteries a day regularly Sep 19 20:03:13 lol Sep 19 20:03:23 get a touchstone, plug it in an external power backup thingy Sep 19 20:03:26 like uhh Sep 19 20:03:30 lol Sep 19 20:03:37 that's why a pre3 with TMC and no spare battery isn't appealing Sep 19 20:03:37 http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php Sep 19 20:03:44 3 batteries a day? Sep 19 20:03:46 jeez Sep 19 20:03:48 put the battery from a touchpad into a phone Sep 19 20:03:50 :D Sep 19 20:03:55 and then put it in your bagpack Sep 19 20:04:05 then just Sep 19 20:04:17 3 batteries a day is when i don't have access to AC, otherwise I would plug it in. An external battery pack is appealing, but also damn $$$ Sep 19 20:04:23 place your phone on top of your bag ;P where the touchstone is directly underneath it Sep 19 20:04:24 that's only $100 Sep 19 20:04:35 tada Sep 19 20:04:38 wireless charging x) Sep 19 20:04:38 lol Sep 19 20:04:50 i wonder if pre3 batteries are available.. Sep 19 20:04:52 * WinterMute recently updated the firmware on a droid phone & now it's going for between 4 & 6 days on a single charge Sep 19 20:04:53 (and how much) Sep 19 20:05:05 get a pacemaker implanted in you, and have a touchstone surgically implanted :P Sep 19 20:05:10 before the update it would just about last for a day Sep 19 20:05:14 WinterMute: that's what i need.. Sep 19 20:05:25 WinterMute: can you please apply that update on my pre2? ;^| Sep 19 20:05:35 hehe Sep 19 20:05:45 which phone is it WinterMute Sep 19 20:05:48 PatrickC: uhh, pacemakers TAKE energy, not provide it, last i checked! :) Sep 19 20:05:55 lol Sep 19 20:05:56 HTC Wildfire Sep 19 20:06:00 ooh Sep 19 20:06:14 Any news about the future of webos? Just aquired a touchpad, and I tend to like the obscurity. Sep 19 20:06:25 PatrickC: did you see that clip (it was shown on TDS) of DCheney and his heart plugin? crazy.. Sep 19 20:06:27 hallo moijk o/ Sep 19 20:06:31 mots: webos lives, hw doesnt Sep 19 20:06:45 ajay_: no? Sep 19 20:07:00 that's kind of scary, how is webos going to survive without hardware? Sep 19 20:07:03 moj: haha Sep 19 20:07:03 oops, moij Sep 19 20:07:27 WinterMute: licensing to other hw manufactured Sep 19 20:07:33 * WinterMute does rather like the SDK/PDK for webos though, seems way better than droid madness Sep 19 20:07:33 manufactures* Sep 19 20:08:19 is preware likely to help battery life on a pre2? Sep 19 20:08:33 depends Sep 19 20:14:57 * PatrickC goes to talk to his hosting company Sep 19 20:17:21 PatrickC: everything -but- school eh! Sep 19 20:17:51 while I do school :) Sep 19 20:17:57 like I said, I'm homeschooled Sep 19 20:23:24 ajay_: external battery pack powered by pre batteries even... make a mintyboost Sep 19 20:25:50 how much of WebOS is closed source? Sep 19 20:26:11 I mean would the community be able to continue the development like any other linux-distro? Sep 19 20:26:52 The UI is all closed Sep 19 20:27:04 Most all the services are closed Sep 19 20:27:06 huh. Sep 19 20:27:08 that's where all the money is Sep 19 20:27:19 new plan Sep 19 20:27:24 clone the operating system Sep 19 20:27:37 This all thats open: http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.2/index.html Sep 19 20:28:30 I have a soft spot for dead oses. with my four Amigas sporting misc versions of the wonderful AmigaOS. Sep 19 20:28:43 but I do hope HP does something useful with Palms legacy. Sep 19 20:28:45 WEBOS ISNT DEAD SHUTUP Sep 19 20:29:24 oh well, with uncertain future. Sep 19 20:29:27 they're alive enough to keep paying me, so there's that Sep 19 20:29:36 if they are relying on people to use the framework for Android and iOS apps, then it is, imo Sep 19 20:31:19 hi Sep 19 20:32:03 hi leiru Sep 19 20:32:43 hey leiru Sep 19 20:33:04 just returned from: https://twitter.com/#!/twtomcat/status/115834717923852289 Sep 19 20:33:27 sugardave: I was discussing today with a guy who have done a lot of development on android, and he feels HP did create a good buzz but miss the market. If instead of the sale to get rid of inventory they have undercut the hp touchpad in price taking a loss for a while to shoehorn themself into a markedshare. I don't know anyone of my fellow tech friends who didn't want to get a hp touchpad all of a sudden just because of price. And most of the Sep 19 20:33:27 m are devs. Sep 19 20:33:58 yeah, it would have been a better plan Sep 19 20:35:52 i doubt if there is any plan @ hp Sep 19 20:35:58 whether better or worse Sep 19 20:36:00 :P Sep 19 20:36:21 i'm somehow in an sarcastic mood Sep 19 20:36:30 lol Sep 19 20:37:40 The time frame from buying palm to quitting the market doesn't sound like a well thought of plan. Sep 19 20:38:35 but anyhow, is sdml ported to webos? sdl? Sep 19 20:38:39 * PatrickC is really about to buy Advanced Browser Sep 19 20:39:33 PDL is SDL based Sep 19 20:39:46 sfml, sdl or any other nice crossplatform lib Sep 19 20:40:29 oops i always forget about this thing (chat :) Sep 19 20:41:21 chat? lol Sep 19 20:41:42 meh, PDK I meant Sep 19 20:42:00 dwc-: ooo, i like the idea of building a battery pack!! (mintyboost?) Sep 19 20:42:22 moijk: I go to the OS/2 user group meetings occassionally, so i think i can relate to your amigas :) Sep 19 20:42:40 PatrickC: I do like the advanced browser for sure! Sep 19 20:42:48 supposedly universe is going to see an update sometime too.. Sep 19 20:43:04 * PatrickC contacted them about doing a giveaway at TSF Sep 19 20:43:21 TSF? either way, did they get back to you? Sep 19 20:43:51 PatrickC: wow, going to actually pay for something? Sep 19 20:43:52 ajay_, I was a os/2 user from Warp a while after IBM tossed in the towel. it was a wonderful os, esp warp connect and warp 4 Sep 19 20:43:59 Tibfib: yep Sep 19 20:44:08 ajay_: Tablet Support Forum Sep 19 20:44:13 hmm, portable power packs aren't too expensive after all.. Sep 19 20:44:14 and I just sent the email :) Sep 19 20:44:45 ajay_, from warp to a while… Sep 19 20:45:04 Tibfib: I'm going to wait and see if they'll do a giveaway, and if they won't. I'm gonna buy it :) Sep 19 20:45:08 PatrickC: oh.. huh! are you involved with them? cool regardless Sep 19 20:45:15 ohh ok got it, ignore last stmt Sep 19 20:45:33 ajay_: yeah. I was the second person working there :) Sep 19 20:45:59 if you guys have any apps you would like to see a giveaway for (besides angry birds) let me know Sep 19 20:45:59 meij: I was a user from '96 til.. dunno. i have MULTIPLE OS/2 boxes around, i should probably do something with thme.. Sep 19 20:46:10 maybe i can get a pre3 and bundle OS/2 boxes and sell it for $1k Sep 19 20:46:52 PatrickC: oh so many apps! graphite (wait is it out yet? :) and.. other ones whose names escape me!! :) Sep 19 20:47:02 ok gtg Sep 19 20:47:10 ajay_: I'll PM you my email. you may flood with requests :) Sep 19 20:47:27 ajay_: WAIT! look at PM first :) Sep 19 20:47:47 PatrickC: oh, that was slow timing bro :) Sep 19 20:47:47 "The time frame from buying palm to quitting the market doesn't sound like a well thought of plan." .. it sounds to me like Leo said "i don't know anything about hardware, so we'll just jettison that." Sep 19 20:47:59 * PatrickC wonders if we could get MPR giveaway Sep 19 20:48:06 EricBlade1: would you want to? Sep 19 20:48:19 ajay_: huh? lol Sep 19 20:48:30 EricBlade1: or "forget about everything that the company is, how can we be like something i recognize?" Sep 19 20:48:47 PatrickC: I had trouble reading your messages until i inserted them logically after the approrpiate line of mine :) Sep 19 20:49:04 haa Sep 19 20:49:14 man these giveaways are not going to go well for me if i don't enter! Sep 19 20:49:17 moijk: i keep wanting to go check out the latest vers of OS/2 (eComStation), but i just don't ahve the time to play with random junk anymore Sep 19 20:49:24 maybe i shouldn't make suggestions! :) Sep 19 20:49:26 ajay_: lol Sep 19 20:49:30 EricBlade1: yeah these guys are all into it.. Sep 19 20:49:32 ajay_: why not? :P Sep 19 20:49:36 haha Sep 19 20:49:51 you can always enter :P Sep 19 20:49:52 did any of the auction or craigslist apps get a TP update? Sep 19 20:50:00 PatrickC: can you enter for me? I forget to check ) Sep 19 20:50:01 :) Sep 19 20:50:03 AuctionMate did Sep 19 20:50:06 nice Sep 19 20:50:07 sugardave: may i ask how long you've been with palm? Sep 19 20:50:09 i think i own that one Sep 19 20:50:16 ajay_: I can email you :P Sep 19 20:50:20 can't enter for you Sep 19 20:50:29 ajay_: i think there were CL and eBay apps recently updated Sep 19 20:50:29 or tweet you Sep 19 20:50:33 PatrickC: we'll split the app, it'll be great :) Sep 19 20:50:39 haha Sep 19 20:51:02 do you want the user interface or the back-end? Sep 19 20:51:12 EricBlade1: not very long, I came on after HP bought them. I started at the end of May Sep 19 20:51:24 crazy sob Sep 19 20:51:46 ok i really gtg hopefully i can make a business of rooting android phones soon! Sep 19 20:51:53 ajay_: both Sep 19 20:51:55 :P Sep 19 20:52:19 greater risk, etc. It's times like these, though, that really test your sanity Sep 19 20:52:28 PatrickC: hmm, this mighth get complicated.. Sep 19 20:52:29 ok bye! Sep 19 20:56:16 Hey everyone! Sep 19 20:56:38 But... Sep 19 20:56:41 hi webos ! I'm glad you're still alive Sep 19 20:56:41 You're dead. Sep 19 20:56:42 :P Sep 19 20:56:50 webos: how do you feel about HP's decision? Sep 19 20:57:01 bahah Sep 19 20:57:13 :O!! Sep 19 20:57:18 what is this TRICKERY! Sep 19 20:57:28 haha Sep 19 20:57:44 LOL Sep 19 20:57:49 hahahaha Sep 19 20:57:58 * eighthree tear Sep 19 20:58:06 sorry, I just don't like to use the root user in ubuntu chroot :) Sep 19 20:58:16 * NuttyBunny changes his nick in the config Sep 19 20:59:56 webOS zombie eats 'em all. Sep 19 21:00:24 and, the question was... anyone has tried to use a usb to serial converter with their touchPad using USB host mode? Sep 19 21:00:39 (or should I ask that in #webos-internals ? :) Sep 19 21:00:52 #webos-internals :P Sep 19 21:01:01 i haven't maybe @ internals Sep 19 21:01:10 brown chicken brown cow Sep 19 21:01:25 * NuttyBunny doesn't need no stinking bluetooth keyboard :) I got my usb keyboard working.. hehehe Sep 19 21:01:47 lol Sep 19 21:02:23 at least should work for me until my bt keyboard comes Sep 19 21:02:29 :D Sep 19 21:05:59 PatrickC: Is there a way to make the chroot register the ESC key? Sep 19 21:06:11 hmm.. I don't think so Sep 19 21:06:22 I believe that Xecutah documents how they do it Sep 19 21:06:27 actually Sep 19 21:06:37 that's with the virtual keyboard Sep 19 21:06:45 which I disabled right now :P Sep 19 21:07:25 lol Sep 19 21:07:33 I have no clue lol Sep 19 21:08:26 hehehe... ok, thanks :P Sep 19 21:08:32 funkatron is gone... :/ Sep 19 21:08:54 gone? for the day? Sep 19 21:12:13 for good Sep 19 21:12:16 he's done with webos Sep 19 21:12:19 see twitter Sep 19 21:13:08 hmm.. we might be doing an advanced browser giveaway! Sep 19 21:14:26 I can understand his frustration tbh Sep 19 21:14:28 sugardave: sorry, was busy working. i hope everything works out for the people at Palm. At least you haven't invested your whole life into the company only to have the company tossed around like it has. Sep 19 21:15:15 the pre3 is a fantastic device.. the guy at AT&T that sold me a sim for it was entranced by it Sep 19 21:15:15 EricBlade1: oye, i see you figured out that touchstone id :P Sep 19 21:15:40 eighthree: yeah i've got two touchstones and two touchpads here, wasn't too difficult to check. it is freaky though! Sep 19 21:16:24 seretogis: Shiny baubles captivate morons. Sep 19 21:16:38 HP's lack of doing anything obvious is utterly beating down the enthusiasm that I have for this platform. Sep 19 21:16:53 PatrickC: most of us are gone Sep 19 21:17:10 I'm done. Sep 19 21:17:16 Tibfib: really? Sep 19 21:17:20 sorry to see you go Sep 19 21:17:21 just waiting for some new phones to come out Sep 19 21:17:28 they said "ok we'll jettison the hardware". did they not expect that people would expect them to follow that up shortly in a day or two, with what they were going to do after? Sep 19 21:17:29 htc radar or iPhone 5 Sep 19 21:17:41 PatrickC: why are you stickng around? Sep 19 21:17:58 cause I love webOS. I can't imagine using any other phone Sep 19 21:18:07 I may come back if HP gets its act together. but not going to waste my time while they do that. Sep 19 21:18:12 I'm going to stick with webOS as long as I can Sep 19 21:18:46 this is actually worse treatment than IBM gave OS/2, at least with OS/2, they -tried-. It became quite clear that IBM has absolutely no idea how to sell things to consumers, though. Sep 19 21:18:52 my pre2's buggyness is starting to get on my nerves :/ Sep 19 21:19:30 what's buggy Tibfib? Sep 19 21:19:40 specifically? Sep 19 21:19:55 device menu only works 1/2 the time Sep 19 21:19:56 some specificty would be nice Sep 19 21:19:59 Going from WebOS to iphone? Sep 19 21:20:03 random pauses Sep 19 21:20:07 resets Sep 19 21:20:09 lags Sep 19 21:20:21 scrollers stop working Sep 19 21:20:25 have to restart the app Sep 19 21:20:34 app gets stuck in card mode and can't be maximized Sep 19 21:20:42 Isn't that kind of like having sex with a beautiful woman then she turns around with a raging cock and says "Now it's my turn" Sep 19 21:20:43 hrm, that's unsettling Sep 19 21:20:48 my pre2 is coming tomorrow Sep 19 21:20:55 if you swipe over it, it scrolls Sep 19 21:21:02 summatusmentis: it will be awesome for a while Sep 19 21:21:05 I've had mine for 6+ months Sep 19 21:21:10 that's really all I'm hoping for Sep 19 21:21:18 hmm more like 11 months Sep 19 21:21:20 actually Sep 19 21:21:22 Tibfib: You sure it's not just an app that only runs in card sized, not touchpad resolution? Sep 19 21:21:31 Khaytsus: yes. Sep 19 21:21:32 I like webOS enough, and I'm on a pre- now. I just want something to tide me over until we can see what actually happens to webOS Sep 19 21:21:35 I am talking about pre2. Sep 19 21:21:37 k Sep 19 21:21:55 Khaytsus: there are NO apps that only run in card size. Sep 19 21:22:11 On the Pre, yes, got it Sep 19 21:22:31 not on the touchpad either... or are there? Sep 19 21:22:58 I think Khaytsus is talking about the non-maximized mojo emulator Sep 19 21:23:01 AFAIK there are some apps which only run in phone resolution on the Touchpad Sep 19 21:23:18 Not full screen, maybe not "card sized" either Sep 19 21:23:31 summatusmentis: ah. Sep 19 21:23:56 Tibfib: welcome to the club - for myself i didn't found a mobile OS for myself and i am doing some html5 gaming and node.js game server foo in the meanwhile. Sep 19 21:24:23 webOS FOREVER Sep 19 21:24:34 since win8 is html/js Sep 19 21:24:36 I might dev there Sep 19 21:24:47 oilsworkn: os/2 4ever! Sep 19 21:24:57 oilsworkn: amiga os 4ever! Sep 19 21:25:03 * oilsworkn installed win8 in emu, not impressed Sep 19 21:25:04 or I might pony up and learn a new language Sep 19 21:25:15 oilsworkn: yeah, me neither Sep 19 21:25:23 but it's like a pre-alpha Sep 19 21:25:40 leiru: there are still people that run OS/2 Sep 19 21:25:40 but they said they're not really taking feedback Sep 19 21:25:50 AKA, its not going to change much Sep 19 21:25:58 summatusmentis: sure, thats why i am wirting that Sep 19 21:26:27 oilsworkn: yeah, we'll have to see how ti does Sep 19 21:26:39 I do some work with an open source distributed filesystem that still supports OS/2, because there are people who's infrastructure is fully dependent on that OS Sep 19 21:26:54 bbl Sep 19 21:27:07 no start menu,only "start screen thing" Sep 19 21:27:18 long-term, I'll see how I feel abou webOS, but for now, I'm sticking with it Sep 19 21:27:48 trying to decide if the loss of decent cell service is worth the ability to use a veer as my primary phone Sep 19 21:27:55 its easy to love webOS even with what HP has (not) done, since the options are so shitty :) Sep 19 21:28:15 lol Sep 19 21:28:43 I'm actually sort of motivated by wp7/win8, but will have to see Sep 19 21:29:03 also the devices I have are sitll working nicely no weird problems, I had one "bad" pre2 but thats sold now :) Sep 19 21:29:24 if only HP could fix the backup server problem... Sep 19 21:29:27 i look at ios and think "no thank you walled garden", i look at android and it feels like a hodgepodge of disconnected pieces Sep 19 21:29:34 summatusmentis: for myself every developing was put on freeze and on hold since the announcement. and also for my company, that customers maybe was paid for letting writiting webOS apps @ us source: http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen-maerkte/hp-bezahlt-prominenten-unternehmen-die-apps-475334/ Sep 19 21:29:56 oilsworkn: pretty much Sep 19 21:30:07 http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiwo.de%2Funternehmen-maerkte%2Fhp-bezahlt-prominenten-unternehmen-die-apps-475334%2F Sep 19 21:30:14 (translated by google) Sep 19 21:30:25 and windowsphone, never really looked at long enough to form an opinion Sep 19 21:30:32 it was a big news in germany, cause it leaked Sep 19 21:30:47 oilsworkn: I pretty much feel the same Sep 19 21:31:51 oilsworkn: true but lately I've been looking at iOS thinking, "That sure is one pretty awesome walled garden" Sep 19 21:32:12 and having just switched to a sprint pre2 like 2 weeks ago, i feel like i have time to wait for hp to figure out who they want to work with to bring more devices to market Sep 19 21:33:25 I would say iOS is number two but I can not like it because I can not fix its shortcomings, not even the small ones, and it has so many and knowing apple they will never make it into system I would like Sep 19 21:37:13 sconix: at least the pre3 was released over there :) Sep 19 21:37:33 oilsworkn: well it was not that important to me since I use Veer :) Sep 19 21:37:39 as a main device I mean Sep 19 21:37:49 ah Sep 19 21:38:13 they should have released the pre3 before the touchpad and veer Sep 19 21:38:50 yup Sep 19 21:39:24 yeah Sep 19 21:39:38 * PatrickC is gonna love T2S Sep 19 21:39:49 t2s? Sep 19 21:39:57 Touch-2-Share Sep 19 21:40:05 ah Sep 19 21:40:14 my pre3 should be arriving soon Sep 19 21:40:23 * halfhalo refuses to call it that. it will always be tap-to-share for him Sep 19 21:40:31 lol Sep 19 21:40:40 halfhalo: still T2S Sep 19 21:40:44 does the pre3 even have whats needed to do touchtoshare? Sep 19 21:40:50 tts, not t2s. Sep 19 21:40:53 or is it like the veer Sep 19 21:41:03 oilsworkn: it has it iirc Sep 19 21:41:05 where it can if they update the software Sep 19 21:41:19 it has it out of the box afaik Sep 19 21:41:21 the pre3 has the software needed, the veer does not Sep 19 21:41:21 yes it works nicely with pre3/TS Sep 19 21:41:27 hopefully veer gets it Sep 19 21:41:35 ah Sep 19 21:50:45 * oilsworkn is not looking forward to being without internets when he moves :/ Sep 19 21:52:22 even if its only a day or so, its a day too long! Sep 19 21:52:53 steal wifi Sep 19 21:53:17 ill have to scope out the neighborhood with my laptop this evening >:) Sep 19 21:57:32 at least my 28 inch monitor gets back from warranty repair tomorrow Sep 19 21:57:49 back to tri-monitor setup Sep 19 21:58:00 idk how people manage with only 1 screen Sep 19 21:58:05 jeez, what do you do with 3 monitors? Sep 19 21:58:14 everything Sep 19 21:58:14 * SineOt weeps for the Touchpad Go. :'< Sep 19 21:58:16 at once Sep 19 21:58:17 By having small desks Sep 19 21:58:20 One 24" is plenty for me Sep 19 21:58:46 at work i run 2 19s, at home right now its 2 19s Sep 19 21:58:52 the 28incher goes in the middle Sep 19 21:58:58 I have 5 monitor setup -.- Sep 19 21:59:06 lol Sep 19 21:59:07 2 21s at work. 4:3 goodness :) Sep 19 21:59:20 4x 23" and 1x 46" Sep 19 21:59:21 3 is just perfect Sep 19 21:59:34 Clark008: pic? Sep 19 22:00:05 3 video cards? or are you using one of those splitter things Sep 19 22:00:07 I have some things running on it that I can't show =p Sep 19 22:00:20 clark has never heard of the minimize button Sep 19 22:00:23 2 cards 5770, eyefinity supports 3 display each Sep 19 22:00:33 ah Sep 19 22:00:55 nah, they take up fullscreen, running mad Sep 19 22:01:05 hexacore 4ghz, 16ram Sep 19 22:01:19 the 3 barely fit on my desk that is actually just a table Sep 19 22:01:35 I have one of those 6' tables Sep 19 22:01:40 table* Sep 19 22:01:44 are you guys talking about the new tri-core webos phones that samsung are building? Sep 19 22:01:59 what?! Sep 19 22:02:08 they're building webos phones? Sep 19 22:02:21 no, I was referencing a hilarious thread on precentral I'm afraid Sep 19 22:02:33 oh Sep 19 22:02:33 http://forums.precentral.net/future-webos-smartphones/296093-rumor-samsung-lunch-new-webos-tri-core-super-smart-phones.html Sep 19 22:03:13 I wouldn't mind samsung making webos phones, they make nice phones Sep 19 22:03:31 rumors :( Sep 19 22:03:45 * oilsworkn has a feeling its ios or android jerks playing tricks Sep 19 22:03:47 lol, he replies with "I will try to post the link soon." Sep 19 22:04:07 lol Sep 19 22:04:17 later on he says he can't copy/paste because of security on the website that disallows him from doing so Sep 19 22:04:24 it's pretty epic. Sep 19 22:04:28 right Sep 19 22:04:31 haha Sep 19 22:04:51 troll Sep 19 22:04:59 next he is going to reply with "problem?" Sep 19 22:05:17 I'm lovin' my touchpad Sep 19 22:05:20 I don't think he's even a troll, just deluded Sep 19 22:05:30 I'm lovin' my UK pre3 :D Sep 19 22:05:36 need to pair it with my touchpad Sep 19 22:05:56 seretogis: probably, hows that quote go? don't assume malice when it could easily be ignorance? Sep 19 22:06:12 I want a pre 3 =\ Sep 19 22:06:59 Anyone want a tp case for 16 + shipping? I can buy two on hp and then send one of them, since I dont need two Sep 19 22:07:37 I would, but shipping would be just as much :x Sep 19 22:08:20 woot! my logitech keyboard came in! Sep 19 22:08:29 Shadyman, not in the US? Sep 19 22:08:33 I have an extra touchstone Sep 19 22:10:09 oilsworkn: have you looked at the IKEA Vika desks? Sep 19 22:11:15 i've only ever used this folding table Sep 19 22:11:42 * oilsworkn googles it Sep 19 22:11:50 is there anything different between the mytical AT&T Pre3 and the UK one? other than potentially branding and possibly default softwre? Sep 19 22:11:53 * akanster has a Vika desk. Sep 19 22:12:00 what is homebrew Sep 19 22:12:09 see, if i changed desks, i would totally go to one with drawers haha Sep 19 22:12:20 those look like they dont have drawers Sep 19 22:12:48 this is my ikea desk - http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20057854#/90057855/ Sep 19 22:13:00 oilsworkn: you buy the top and legs seperately. I they they have table legs with drawers Sep 19 22:13:04 96x25 numerar countertop. huge. Sep 19 22:13:24 I wanted that that 7" touchpad Sep 19 22:13:27 rwatkins: 16GB flash. 850 MHz UMTS. Sep 19 22:13:46 I want funnel cakes. Sep 19 22:13:57 riskish2: see http://bit.ly/phd-ac for the answer to your question Sep 19 22:14:19 I believe your question is even answered in the screenshots. Sep 19 22:14:30 * oilsworkn bets rwhitby is coming up on enough for 3 boats now Sep 19 22:14:31 screenshots you can't properly see! Sep 19 22:14:42 * akanster is still baffled by that one :) Sep 19 22:14:50 akanster: actually, you can now. you need to update your app catalog client Sep 19 22:14:52 rwhitby: hm. thx Sep 19 22:15:08 rwatkins: but still the same measly 380MB RAM for both Pre 3's. Sep 19 22:15:12 rwhitby: oh, I meant in the browser Sep 19 22:15:27 akanster: oh, right. yeah. Sep 19 22:16:52 I can likely do w/o the 16GB Sep 19 22:17:46 and assume that 1900mhz is sufficient for 3G in the US ... Sep 19 22:19:13 the real question is, why isn't anyone talking like a pirate? Sep 19 22:19:42 may just suck it up and by a QWERTY one as dev loaners do not seem to be forthcoming Sep 19 22:20:10 oilsworkn: ARGGHHH Sep 19 22:20:36 talk like a pirate you say? Sep 19 22:20:53 why are you bastards not seeding... my down speeds are shit! Sep 19 22:21:06 hah nice Sep 19 22:25:16 hmm. theres a guy with a kin in this class. The only phone that managed to sell less. Sep 19 22:25:46 heh Sep 19 22:27:17 the 1900 mhz band alone is kind of sad for 3G in Seattle Sep 19 22:27:42 I kept bouncing from 3G to Edge during my trip through Seattle from downtown to the outer edges Sep 19 22:27:59 it's fine though Sep 19 22:28:01 You in Washington too? Sep 19 22:28:32 washington ftw? Sep 19 22:28:44 socalftw Sep 19 22:28:50 <-- washington Sep 19 22:28:51 yeah I live in Seattle Sep 19 22:29:03 halfhalo: we outnumber you! Sep 19 22:29:16 Palm Springs, Washington Sep 19 22:29:24 it's okay though, West Coast Power! Sep 19 22:29:30 eighthree is in Vancouver BC Sep 19 22:29:43 I'm in the south sound Sep 19 22:29:55 North West FTW Sep 19 22:30:04 i'm in south seattle! Sep 19 22:30:06 BBQrainshorts Sep 19 22:30:16 I used to live and grew up in the Bay Area Sep 19 22:30:21 * oilsworkn is like "akanster is in yakima, too?" Sep 19 22:30:30 bbut then realized you must have been here when i posted that image Sep 19 22:30:44 * halfhalo laughs at your weather Sep 19 22:30:44 No offense but I hate Yakima, lol Sep 19 22:30:47 South Seattle is occasionally scary. ;D Sep 19 22:30:54 yes agreed Sep 19 22:30:56 i'm occasionally scary! Sep 19 22:30:58 >.< Sep 19 22:30:58 :D Sep 19 22:30:59 :O! Sep 19 22:31:07 * oilsworkn takes no offense Sep 19 22:31:08 yay for Delite Bakery though <3 Sep 19 22:31:12 totally Sep 19 22:31:14 Yakima is like a ghetto Reno Sep 19 22:31:15 :D CAEK Sep 19 22:31:15 and the Station Sep 19 22:31:34 sounds japanese :P Sep 19 22:31:40 the indian casinos are all on the res Sep 19 22:31:43 mmm ube cake Sep 19 22:31:46 delicious ube cake Sep 19 22:31:49 and pan de sal Sep 19 22:32:15 i miss mexican food Sep 19 22:32:19 Me too Sep 19 22:32:24 oilsworkn: I love that image :) Sep 19 22:33:17 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/299694-hp-tp-next-run-already-sold-spoken.html Sep 19 22:33:35 basically if you haven't got a TP by now, you're screwed Sep 19 22:33:40 =( Sep 19 22:33:43 * Mousey is screwed Sep 19 22:33:54 I will sell you a touchpad*! cheap! (*or a comparable product as determined by the seller) Sep 19 22:34:04 lol Sep 19 22:34:18 halfhalo: substitute a BB Playbook! Sep 19 22:34:50 that would be cruel... it would be a speak-and-spell! Sep 19 22:35:40 wrea: lol, a ghetto Reno Sep 19 22:35:52 poor tp, comparable to a speak-n-spell? Sep 19 22:36:12 we don't speak of the p******* around here Sep 19 22:36:18 ET loved the speak-n-spell! Sep 19 22:36:40 hey, look! i typed p******* and it asterisked it out automatically! P*******! Sep 19 22:36:44 I do love going to Miner's when I am there though Sep 19 22:37:05 fxspec06: hey, why are you typing my password? Sep 19 22:37:27 hunter2 Sep 19 22:37:55 * oilsworkn goes to miners like once a week Sep 19 22:38:22 i think everyone who has ever been to yakima has eaten there Sep 19 22:39:45 I was there in June after i went to Hanford Sep 19 22:41:06 we could have had a little webos meetup haha Sep 19 22:41:15 indeed! Sep 19 22:41:31 a weep-in Sep 19 22:41:37 heh Sep 19 22:42:56 philbw was in yakima from portland and we met up Sep 19 22:43:08 I love Portland Sep 19 22:43:20 i approve of portland Sep 19 22:43:29 heh Sep 19 22:43:41 * rwhitby has no sympathy for anyone who wants a touchpad but cannot get one. should have bought it at full price if you want it so much. Sep 19 22:43:55 Vancouver > Portland > Seattle > most-other-places Sep 19 22:44:02 Driving downtown is nuts though Sep 19 22:44:06 rwhitby: haha Sep 19 22:44:20 * rwhitby approves of Portland too. especially the public transport system. Sep 19 22:44:37 honestly, I had no in-depth experience with webOS until my firesale-TouchPad Sep 19 22:44:49 and because of that I have two TPs, a veer, and a pre3 :P Sep 19 22:44:55 There is a great pizza place in east portland Sep 19 22:45:51 * halfhalo laughs at public transportation, mainly because socal lacks it. Sep 19 22:45:52 * oilsworkn just wishes he had another tp incase this one breaks Sep 19 22:46:55 halfhalo: heh, I remember when Collateral with Tom Cruise came out.. all the LA people were like, "we have trains?" Sep 19 22:47:50 lol Sep 19 22:47:54 damn straight. whenever i read something about LA putting in a new part of a train line I go "wait, that actually exists?" Sep 19 22:47:57 i thought that movie was based in NYC? Sep 19 22:48:15 a weep in LOL Sep 19 22:56:37 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#c39896 Sep 19 22:56:41 how long has that been there Sep 19 22:58:32 (j/w) Sep 19 22:59:13 a long time Sep 19 22:59:21 whys that fxspec06 Sep 19 22:59:56 pre^3 2.2? "a long time" ? Sep 19 23:00:07 oh Sep 19 23:00:15 a few weeks :) Sep 19 23:00:19 2.2.0 (Pre3 format only) Sep 19 23:00:34 I've had it around the time i got my touch pad firesale ^^ Sep 19 23:00:34 k Sep 19 23:06:18 there are Pre3s? Sep 19 23:06:27 of course Sep 19 23:06:40 I'd like an ATT Pre3 pls Sep 19 23:06:56 get in line? Sep 19 23:07:07 you could use a UK one Sep 19 23:08:35 i hear the UK is no good here. oh well Sep 19 23:09:55 how much are people paying for these Pre3s? Sep 19 23:09:57 the uk one works for the most part. limited 3g and no 4g vs the att one though Sep 19 23:10:44 I paid about US$480 for mine I think Sep 19 23:10:56 I'm using the UK one now in Seattle Sep 19 23:11:06 I gave my Pre2 to my buddy who was dying with his Pre- Sep 19 23:11:10 * PatrickC shakes fist at http://co.cc Sep 19 23:11:11 seretogis: ebay? Sep 19 23:11:12 and bought an HTC HD7 Sep 19 23:11:14 yeah Sep 19 23:11:58 I decided to get a Pre 3 for now (my EVO took a fall and is slowly dying) since most new Android phones are 4.3"+ behemoths Sep 19 23:11:58 that's out of my price range for the Pre3 but i'm glad to hear it works. Sep 19 23:12:11 I picked up a veer out of contract for $99 Sep 19 23:12:34 yeah I have a veer too, solid phone Sep 19 23:12:39 and it's so CUTE. ;D Sep 19 23:23:35 matbee: how do you like WP7? Sep 19 23:44:09 akanster: i've only ever tried it at pax last year.. Sep 19 23:44:21 it probably isnt very the same now ;p Sep 19 23:44:39 I'm going to pax next year Sep 19 23:46:01 it's a little more like webOS now than it was at pax, 83 Sep 19 23:46:56 Are we sure SDL in webos is in anyway customized? Sep 20 00:03:25 http://www.flickr.com/photos/crazy-ivory/5098888565/ - deathwish kitty! Sep 20 00:06:38 noradtux|away: the UK one will have limited US 3G... only AT&T where they have 1900mhz service Sep 20 00:06:45 err Sep 20 00:06:52 nohorse is gone, nevermind Sep 20 00:14:26 bah, can't get kalemsoft media player to work on the pre3 :( Sep 20 00:16:50 oh crap once i enable developer mode (to bypass activation) I can't go back huh?? Sep 20 00:17:01 nope Sep 20 00:17:13 oh shit Sep 20 00:17:22 have to reflash I think Sep 20 00:17:24 doctor! Sep 20 00:17:28 no doctor available Sep 20 00:17:37 what phone? at&t pre3? Sep 20 00:17:43 shit Sep 20 00:17:53 anyone in here use Joomla? Sep 20 00:17:58 have some questions. Sep 20 00:18:01 there must be a way.. Sep 20 00:18:02 you can use the UK pre3 doctor can't you? you'll just lose the telenav stuff? Sep 20 00:18:20 ajay: erase all data from the phone Sep 20 00:18:20 seretogis: I definitely don't want to lose anything since i may never be able to get it back Sep 20 00:18:30 under reset options Sep 20 00:18:56 also, the mintyboost is http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ Sep 20 00:19:12 mmm minty Sep 20 00:19:39 PatrickC: /j #joomla Sep 20 00:20:01 akanster: i did. but they are very quiet Sep 20 00:20:02 lol Sep 20 00:20:19 ask and wait Sep 20 00:20:49 thats what im doing. but i hate waiting lol Sep 20 00:21:36 OHHH that's what that mintyboost thing you guys were teling me about, haha.. Sep 20 00:23:20 dwc-: sounds like a good idea.. Sep 20 00:23:35 I need to build one of those Sep 20 00:24:06 dwc-: ftw! Sep 20 00:25:04 akanster: omg, all these days i've been typing /join and wasting SO many keystrokes! Sep 20 00:25:37 Power a usb wifi card with it Sep 20 00:25:42 ajay: heh Sep 20 00:26:33 oh woa i have another palm profile i didn't even know about (palm support told me about it) haha.. Sep 20 00:27:50 hmm, the pre3 has a front-facing camera, so it's got to have wifi-compatible skype, correct? Sep 20 00:28:26 or is it 3g skype on all carriers? Has anyone tested this? Maybe this is a thing to bring over from the pre3.. (wonder how portable the touchpad version is) Sep 20 00:28:50 wrea: or a keyboard, etc? Sep 20 00:29:42 Yeah Sep 20 00:33:57 i'm still curious if a touchpad could just have a HDD plugged into it and be good to go Sep 20 00:34:48 ajay, Automount script would be a bonus Sep 20 00:35:39 wrea: i'm first wondering if the mass storage drivers are already there or if they'd need to be compiled.. Sep 20 00:38:53 Probably at least includes fat32 Sep 20 00:40:51 well, duh it does Sep 20 00:41:06 ext2, ext3 and fat32 are compiled in Sep 20 00:41:56 If you want anything else you could compile the modules and install them or have an alpha kernel enable them if it isnt supported yet in those kernels Sep 20 00:42:35 I think one of them might have ntfs, not sure Sep 20 00:48:54 So.. Does WebOS run on Qnix? *honest question* Sep 20 00:49:10 or how does Qnix relate to the version of busybox that webos uses? Sep 20 00:49:47 or "not at all" Sep 20 00:51:06 * Shadyman nods Sep 20 00:51:18 Awkward silence usually indicates a "LMGTFY" link is inbound. Sep 20 00:54:05 I'm going to go ahead and say Yeah, no relation. Sep 20 00:56:01 wrea: external storage != file system Sep 20 00:56:34 Shadyman: QNX intrigues my brain highly. dunno about Qnix Sep 20 00:56:47 QNX then. Never spelled it, only said it :x Sep 20 00:58:06 ajay, True, been looking into the .config and USB_STORAGE is set to y Sep 20 00:58:45 Shadyman: i don't know about a lmgtfy link, i think that's your job :) Sep 20 00:58:58 wrea: sweet! I assume that's all that's needed.. Sep 20 00:59:29 I'm pretty disappointed with the video playing on the Pre 3 right now :/ KalemSoft Media Player is borked, and m.playon.tv doesn't work either -- the Flash Player never maximizes / shows content but I can hear audio just fine. Sep 20 00:59:52 the file notifier daemon doesn't go across filesystems, so if I mount a usb drive inside my TP, its files won't appear in my apps :( Sep 20 01:00:23 LOl i just discovered that you can tap the name of the bookmark in the "Add to Launcher" dialog to change the name that you save it as. Too bad it's not obviousi n the interface! Sep 20 01:01:50 ajay, if I remember correctly yes Sep 20 01:02:37 wrea: Awkward. I can't remember my ssh key password. Sep 20 01:03:35 gj Sep 20 01:04:12 Oh. Derp. Sep 20 01:04:25 Maybe because my username doesn't have an account on my TP. Hurr durr Sep 20 01:04:30 * Shadyman ssh's root@.. Sep 20 01:05:01 wrea: any luck on the USB side of things? Sep 20 01:05:33 seretogis: eek Sep 20 01:06:31 seretogis: maybe this is some conspiracy to make me/us not want pre3s, because the bad news keeps comin! Sep 20 01:06:37 haha Sep 20 01:06:55 I will take them off your hands for the low, low price of 29.99! Sep 20 01:06:58 Shadyman, waiting on my cables Sep 20 01:07:08 halfhalo: how about $2999 Sep 20 01:07:14 because, you know, pre3's cause kittens to die Sep 20 01:07:14 wrea: Ah. Still haven't come across my USB hubs. WTF? Sep 20 01:07:24 halfhalo: I thought that was masturbation? Sep 20 01:08:46 random question: am I the only person that prefers using a code editor for .txt files to word? Sep 20 01:09:04 * ajay wonders if that could be a euphemism for a female master... Sep 20 01:09:35 * NuttyBunny_TP uses a usb keyboard with a self-made cable :P Sep 20 01:09:43 * halfhalo prefers a rock and chisel to word Sep 20 01:09:53 Tibfib_: i like vi for all Sep 20 01:10:06 interesting Sep 20 01:10:09 seretogis: is sing playon a much superior experience to say rdp? Sep 20 01:10:30 VI > all Sep 20 01:10:33 s/sing/usin Sep 20 01:10:38 when it works.. :/ Sep 20 01:10:45 works perfectly on my TP Sep 20 01:10:51 and, hilariously, on my veer Sep 20 01:10:53 but not on my pre3 Sep 20 01:10:55 go figure. Sep 20 01:13:39 grrr... this eclipse is for x86 :S Sep 20 01:17:32 seretogis: what don't you like about the rdp approach? does playon grab _just_ the video? Sep 20 01:17:50 yeah, it streams the video over to you as flash video Sep 20 01:18:12 oh weird Sep 20 01:18:29 seretogis: ok so that's the same problem you complained about earlier -- flash :) Sep 20 01:19:05 has anyone gotten the kindle app to work on a phone? Sep 20 01:19:24 the forum says 'functional,' and maybe i'm confused, but i don't find it thus! Sep 20 01:20:17 ( i only tried on a pre2) and seemed like it made the phone funky for a bit.. /me didn't know til today that kindle used opengl.. (does that make it hybrid? hrmm..) Sep 20 01:31:12 ( i only tried on a pre2) and seemed like it made the phone funky for a bit.. /me didn't know til today that kindle used opengl.. (does that make it hybrid? hrmm..) Sep 20 01:32:48 evening Sep 20 01:32:54 thank you internet for having directions on how the pieces and cardboard fit back into this box: http://i51.tinypic.com/qrgsjc.jpg Sep 20 01:34:33 umm no: "Only one of these three so far (Spaz HD) is built to be an exclusive and fully-featured Twitter client, while the other two serve purposes outside of just connecting you to the micro-blogging network" Sep 20 01:43:59 Krispy Kremes and Touchpads don't mix. Sep 20 01:44:18 Just sayin' Sep 20 01:44:23 creamy touchpad Sep 20 01:44:26 lol Sep 20 01:44:35 do touchpads blend? Sep 20 01:44:39 No. Sep 20 01:44:54 But they do make julienned fries Sep 20 01:47:20 hooray! my desk is clean... all receipts are off Sep 20 01:48:07 Anyone here familiar with the BSD license Sep 20 01:48:11 ? Sep 20 01:48:52 yep Sep 20 01:50:44 Is releasing the code, modified or not, compulsory under the license? Sep 20 01:55:35 wrea: googling should have good enough answers Sep 20 01:56:55 woot Sep 20 01:56:56 a usb hub Sep 20 01:57:01 just where I wouldn't expect to find it Sep 20 01:57:23 wrea: In my laptop bag :x Sep 20 01:57:30 durr Sep 20 01:58:40 I have the license if front of me, I'm reading it as yes you have to, but I've always been under the assumption that you didnt have to Sep 20 01:58:59 ... and so it begins .. or continues .. http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/09/hp-lays-off-more-than-100-at-webos-gbu/ Sep 20 01:59:12 The lack of sleep last night isnt helping with my comprehension today Sep 20 01:59:24 hope no one i've met here is any more significantly affected than they already have been Sep 20 02:00:44 Damn hp support. Got a VM telling me they had my phone shipped to the wrong repair facility. Sep 20 02:03:16 BSD license does not require releasing source Sep 20 02:03:32 requires you include the copyright notice. Sep 20 02:03:36 usually. Sep 20 02:08:22 Okay, thats what I thought Sep 20 02:09:10 assuming youre actually looking at a BSD license. Sep 20 02:09:57 http://pastebin.com/5pqhJNzf Sep 20 02:10:21 Looks like if you do redistribute the code, you have to include the copyright notices Sep 20 02:10:30 right Sep 20 02:10:51 you dont have to redistrubite, just if you do, in source or binary, it must retain the copyrigth notice. Sep 20 02:11:30 Seems I woke up enough to finally comprehend it :P Sep 20 02:25:34 Oooh. Pre2 touchstone dock at verizon wireless for $4.97 Sep 20 02:34:08 yay, I finished two goals for this app! Sep 20 02:35:07 not a single update to the app store today :( Sep 20 02:36:53 well get on it Eric, we need some Gvoice updates! ;) Sep 20 02:37:12 but if it makes you feel better, my bf is developing a brand new tip-calculator app ;p Sep 20 02:37:34 how does one *really* quit an app on webos? Sep 20 02:37:52 seems like apps continue backgrounding despite card flicking Sep 20 02:38:10 StayInSkool_: most apps don't have services associated with them Sep 20 02:38:26 the apps themselves should have options in the preference for 'run in background' or 'check every X minutes', or something Sep 20 02:38:29 the chat app does it seems Sep 20 02:38:50 ah. makes sense. are those the node.js services? Sep 20 02:40:46 * DougReeder_ waves hello Sep 20 02:43:06 StayInSkool_: I think so. Headless apps, essentially Sep 20 02:43:21 that's cool Sep 20 02:43:45 webOS is pretty cool generally. I just wish it was less sluggish on the TP :/ Sep 20 02:43:56 * DougReeder_ nods Sep 20 02:44:07 sluggish? Hm. Sep 20 02:44:20 you on 3.0.2? Sep 20 02:44:24 yeah. laggy animations, apps taking 10+ to launch sometimes etc Sep 20 02:44:27 yep Sep 20 02:44:36 with uberkernel without the overclock Sep 20 02:45:04 and all that log disabling fun Sep 20 02:45:23 sounds like something's hogging cpu time Sep 20 02:45:45 yeah, webOS. Sep 20 02:45:45 do all your apps launch instantly? Sep 20 02:45:54 StayInSkool_: No, it's normal. Sep 20 02:46:09 not 10s though Sep 20 02:46:30 facebook takes at least 10 secs to launch most of the time. adobe reader even longer (on small pdfs) Sep 20 02:46:38 hm. Sep 20 02:47:05 my apps use hidden cards, so you have 2 card overhead before something usable is displayed Sep 20 02:47:06 i got 6s to the "Loading your account" page Sep 20 02:47:26 sometimes a UI will just freeze for 5 or more secs like it just did, and won't react Sep 20 02:47:59 the browser likes to do that amidst innocent scrolling Sep 20 02:48:43 I guess we can't have everything, given html/js uis Sep 20 02:49:18 and don't forget the DOM Sep 20 02:49:20 its inc won't beat native compiled apps, esp at graphics intensive tasks? Sep 20 02:49:49 too ahead of its time :-) Sep 20 02:50:24 now, I wonder how hard it'd be to make a custom keyboard. I'd love to split the default one into two halves Sep 20 02:50:47 to lessen the thumb travel time Sep 20 02:51:35 That would be nice. You might follow the custom kehboard thread on webos-internals Sep 20 02:52:22 thanks, I will! Sep 20 02:53:18 I really want to like webOS more. it makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways. minus the performance issues I actually prefer it to my ios devices. very well thought out and designed Sep 20 02:53:29 overclock time? :D Sep 20 02:53:49 I tried the 1.5ghz overclock. didn't notice much diff Sep 20 02:59:12 I don't see much difference with 1.5GHz, but I think every bit helps **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 20 02:59:56 2011