**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 20 02:59:56 2011 Sep 20 03:00:17 ...and battery life is not a problem for me - my devices spend all thier time on TouchStones Sep 20 03:09:13 seretogis: it's not for lack of submitting.. i have an update in the queue. if i could have multiple updates, i would :P Sep 20 03:12:48 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/09/hp-lays-off-more-than-100-at-webos-gbu/ update: 525. :-\ Sep 20 03:14:05 my last update went through in one business day - after being rejected and automatically un-rejected :-S Sep 20 03:16:13 jeezus. that's a lot of people Sep 20 03:16:22 man Sep 20 03:16:28 so what's left then? Sep 20 03:16:34 sugardave Sep 20 03:17:17 HP webOS by sugardave Sep 20 03:17:35 im just trying to make light of a tragic situation, sorry Sep 20 03:18:11 wait, tragic? what? Sep 20 03:19:26 HP webOS staff lay-offs Sep 20 03:19:56 :(( Sep 20 03:21:34 <|Jason8|> welp Sep 20 03:21:46 <|Jason8|> continuing support looks to be a pipe dream Sep 20 03:21:48 <|Jason8|> thanks, HP. Sep 20 03:22:50 They clearly don't want them to get those employee-only firesale touchpads. Sep 20 03:23:09 if I'm the last one waving the flag, do I get to have webOS by default? that would e sort of awesome Sep 20 03:23:09 HP, where good products go to die Sep 20 03:23:19 sugardave: hehe Sep 20 03:23:33 <|Jason8|> HP, where bad products live on... and on... and on... Sep 20 03:24:17 trollface Sep 20 03:25:02 <|Jason8|> name one good product that HP has continued to support. Sep 20 03:25:50 umom Sep 20 03:25:57 final answer, bob Sep 20 03:26:30 <|Jason8|> sup PsWii60 Sep 20 03:26:34 <|Jason8|> want a mogul? Sep 20 03:27:28 umoms, you? Sep 20 03:27:30 sugardave: hope everything goes as well as it can for yourself and your colleagues, mate. Sep 20 03:28:40 rwhitby: thanks, we do, too :D Sep 20 03:30:28 How many people are there currently in webOS GBU? Sep 20 03:35:27 * sugardave raises his hand. Sep 20 03:35:37 and there are some other people Sep 20 03:38:05 * DougReeder_ makes a moue Sep 20 03:38:56 were there more than 10000? Sep 20 03:39:33 He probably cant answer that Q Sep 20 03:41:12 Anyone know how we should format the app catalog description Sep 20 03:41:21 does it accept regular line breaks finally? Sep 20 03:46:44 DougReeder_: really, I have no clue and I'm too lazy to try and figure it out :P Sep 20 03:46:59 good man! Sep 20 03:47:56 On the TouchPad certainly - you might nened to add a & for phones Sep 20 03:49:40 Well, I'm caught up on my comics - time for bed. Sep 20 03:50:02 * DougReeder_ waves goodnight. Sep 20 03:50:22 night Sep 20 03:51:05 http://allthingsd.com/20110919/layoffs-at-hps-palm-division/ - it's gone up to 500 now :( Sep 20 03:56:25 i hate it when i leave irc idle.. ;^) Sep 20 04:05:41 open source webOS!! come on HP, do one thing right!! Sep 20 04:06:42 why would they want to do that Sep 20 04:08:07 wrea: palm called me back tellingme _not_ to ship my phone to the touchpad repair facility.. at least they learned something from their mistake w/ ur phone? ;^) Sep 20 04:09:05 Great :P Sep 20 04:09:25 CTLAdvance: it seems to accept standard line breaks, but you can't see it when you review the entry Sep 20 04:09:38 ok thats interesting Sep 20 04:09:39 ajay, Did they give you an address to send it in your email? Sep 20 04:09:39 webOS should've been on HP's laptops.... how hard was it to put a $30 mobile arm chip in their laptops? Sep 20 04:09:48 500 people could fix everything that's wrong with their website in one day Sep 20 04:10:02 Bux, It runs on x86, no need for an arm Sep 20 04:10:06 Bux - Actually it should have been a skin for windows Sep 20 04:10:14 with a webkit instance included Sep 20 04:10:21 x86 is very inefficient Sep 20 04:10:23 it could have switched windows and webOS apps Sep 20 04:10:32 for battery life Sep 20 04:10:45 Bux, no one would have bought that, or paid extra Sep 20 04:10:52 would have had to integrate with windows Sep 20 04:11:06 dualboot? Sep 20 04:11:18 but its irrelevant now, windows 8 will become atrix like I assume phone with W8, drop it in the dock... boom desktop Sep 20 04:11:22 yeah Sep 20 04:11:28 wrea: I think so, do you want me to check? Sep 20 04:11:39 that's probably what they thought Sep 20 04:11:41 No not dual boot, a skin, integrate it with the system manager/com Sep 20 04:11:46 ajay, Yes please Sep 20 04:11:54 then it could have had a card for windows apps and webOS apps Sep 20 04:12:23 They could still do it for windows 8.... make webOS the default interface for it I bet. Sep 20 04:12:26 wrea: 300 East Capote Central, Suite 100 Pharr, TX Sep 20 04:12:34 windows 8 will dominate unless Microsoft messes it up Sep 20 04:12:47 damnit, the Verizon Pre3s aren't good to go.. :( Sep 20 04:12:50 I have noticed this. I get 15 minutes more batter with windows 8 on wifi, and 45 min with it off compared to windows 7 Sep 20 04:12:56 like restrict its licenses Sep 20 04:13:01 * ajay shakes fist.. Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllm!! Sep 20 04:13:06 win8 is goign to be a walled garden Sep 20 04:13:24 Official apps only in the phone-type thing Sep 20 04:13:29 Well it will be, MS has exceptions to its favorite partners Sep 20 04:13:30 regular everything in the full desktop, though Sep 20 04:13:30 ajay, f***ers, thats where they had me send mine to Sep 20 04:13:49 VA3MWL - They already have a dev kit Sep 20 04:14:00 you could port your webOS apps to W* new interface Sep 20 04:14:04 W8 Sep 20 04:14:31 It came bundled with the latest IE10 build, and I must say that I no longer need chrome and Safari to dev for webOS Sep 20 04:14:33 all I want is windows 8 on my phone so I can carry around my desktop Sep 20 04:15:07 or at least 80% of it Sep 20 04:15:17 Windows 8 also uses far less memory... it is completely reopt... Sep 20 04:15:55 I could see a webOS skin ontop of windows 8 easily. Could be a start menu icon, then boom cards and switching, webOS app, W8 HTML apps, and Desktop apps Sep 20 04:16:20 wrea: is that wrong?? Sep 20 04:16:55 the whole thing was weird to me.. Sep 20 04:17:08 ajay, that isnt the phone repair facility Sep 20 04:17:18 I think that would be to big of a project though... for the (little?) payoff Sep 20 04:18:18 wrea, thats where they had me send mine and now they're 'expediting shipping' to the correct place Sep 20 04:19:36 wrea: oh what what! Sep 20 04:20:16 i jokingly asked the person that called me -- maybe i should still ship it to the wrong addy and they'll ship me back a TP Sep 20 04:20:23 lol Sep 20 04:20:33 * ajay 's humor is clearly not aligned with too many, she didn't laugh ;^) Sep 20 04:20:41 I wouldve Sep 20 04:21:14 wrea: I think doing customer service is hard, because you don't know if people are stupid/confused and need to be clarified/rectified, or what. Especially hard when your native language isn't english Sep 20 04:21:43 TRC USA 360A Americas Suite 200 El Paso TX79907 Sep 20 04:22:12 OHH!! I think this is big news? I ran into Citrix the other day, and asked them what's the deal with the webOS app, and he said "It's done" as in, "the coding is long complete"!?! Sep 20 04:23:35 Ive never had to deal with citrix directly, but it was used by some at the refinery i worked at Sep 20 04:23:53 we use it at work for the terminals Sep 20 04:24:03 as far as citrix new, the receiver app was shipping on all touchpads!! hp ftl.. Sep 20 04:24:24 (I thought of that because i wish they came through w/ netflix, i just borrowed a password just to realize it doesn't work on linux... nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!) Sep 20 04:24:34 wrea: So you think I should ship it there? Sep 20 04:25:26 I got a box with a shipping label after I sent it out (The email they sent never said anything about them paying for shipping to the place) and thats the address on it Sep 20 04:27:41 ooo.. so i should wait for the box? I definitely don't want to pay for shipping.. (of course, w/ 5 days left in warranty it might behoove me to be careful!) Sep 20 04:27:43 I didnt think to look until tonight because I thought they gave me the right address the first time Sep 20 04:27:45 anyone else noticing netstat being... wrong? Sep 20 04:28:15 ajay, If you called today, it'll be there tomorrow if it is like mine Sep 20 04:28:32 Its ups 2nd day air Sep 20 04:28:35 wrea: oo that'd be rad.. i called in the afternoon, but they called me back in the evening Sep 20 04:28:47 wrea: where are you? 2nd day, doesnt that mean 2 days from now? Sep 20 04:28:56 she told me though, if i received a box, not to use it :) Sep 20 04:29:49 Weird, then maybe that address is wrong too. Let me know what that one says when you get it Sep 20 04:30:00 how do you run into citrix? like, their building? ;) Sep 20 04:30:40 seretogis: which netstat, and wrong like how? Sep 20 04:31:14 (random factoid, the citrix building on great america parkway/tasman used to be an HP building) Sep 20 04:31:29 netstat from preware, for pre3 -- it shows a lot of differently sized entries in the history for the mobile network and wifi sections but it does not show a total (as I would expect) on the main screen Sep 20 04:31:52 * dwc- has not a pre3 Sep 20 04:32:14 the main screen sometimes lags though, e.g. after a counter reset it doesn't always reset right away Sep 20 04:32:44 CTLAdvance: because it'd be nicd Sep 20 04:32:48 nice Sep 20 04:32:53 :) Sep 20 04:33:54 dwc-: conference Sep 20 04:34:26 oh it was like a joke, haha.. s/Citrix/Citrix reps\/booth dudes/ Sep 20 04:34:27 oh boy there was an update to the german language pack in HP Play today. :| Sep 20 04:36:04 sorry to change topics, but isn't this kind of abnormal? http://www.zumodrive.com/share/ewv8NDMwZD Sep 20 04:36:10 hmm, as soon as you said that my free app spider sense went off.. Sep 20 04:36:14 running 2 kernels at once Sep 20 04:36:18 fudge_palm: was there a topic? ;^) Sep 20 04:36:29 dwc-: sounds like it's not all its cracked up to be.. Sep 20 04:36:37 lol Sep 20 04:36:51 eh just didn't want to be rude Sep 20 04:37:00 oh fudge, palm! Sep 20 04:37:16 lol Sep 20 04:38:15 any way I can rid of both kernels? preware won't allow me to install recovery kernel and uberkernel refuses to install Sep 20 04:38:48 zumodrive Sep 20 04:38:50 Generating preview Sep 20 04:38:59 ... it's a png.... just show it to me and let the browser handle it? Sep 20 04:39:00 fudge_palm: my internet is too shitty for me to load your image.. but that sounds like a surprising state.. what's the error? (or is that in the link?) Sep 20 04:39:13 A server error has occurred. Please try again later. Sep 20 04:39:18 oh, I see you're stuck on it too. Sep 20 04:39:32 well, it's basically just a screen shot of my launcher Sep 20 04:39:51 it shows both palm kernel and uber kernel installed Sep 20 04:40:05 1 sec, lemme upload to photobucket Sep 20 04:40:07 zumodrivestorage-- Sep 20 04:43:48 photobucket really needs a webos app Sep 20 04:43:59 ok about that time to go.. Sep 20 04:44:04 I thought photobucket had synergy integration? Sep 20 04:44:32 not afaik Sep 20 04:44:34 it does, but to get the url for the picture is a whole different story Sep 20 04:44:46 fudge_palm: that's a very appropriate topic for this channel (I believe, unless it's a #woi topic) sorry i can't help, but good luck! Sep 20 04:46:55 http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh274/RobertR_93/?action=view¤t=photos-temp-0jpg-28.jpg Sep 20 04:47:08 is what my launcher shows Sep 20 04:59:46 HP handed out pink slips to employees in its webOS Global Business Unit on Monday. The computer company wouldn't say how many workers it was letting go, but rumors suggest over 500 people are now unemployed. Sep 20 05:07:28 Fffffffuuuuuu-- Sep 20 05:09:41 howdy howdy howdy Sep 20 05:09:55 good lord the webos alarm clock app is garbage Sep 20 05:10:30 I would kill for a rdp touchpad app :/ Sep 20 05:10:47 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/299752-tigervnc-touchpad.html ? Sep 20 05:11:32 no, rdp, not vnc Sep 20 05:12:01 fine :( Sep 20 05:12:11 most vnc apps will do rdp, at least desktop-wise Sep 20 05:12:33 but yeah, probably not that one Sep 20 05:13:51 I would say most vnc apps can't do rdp since its completely different and a closed protocol Sep 20 05:14:55 Fair enough. Sep 20 05:15:01 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/state_web_summer Sep 20 05:18:26 rdesktop works in the Ubuntu chroot Sep 20 05:19:20 hmm, no listing for layoffs in the CA state EDD database Sep 20 05:19:24 as of 9/14 anyways Sep 20 05:19:35 not under Hewlett-Packard or Palm Sep 20 05:23:01 rwhitby: oh thanks, that's a bit more in depth than I'm prepared for at this hour though Sep 20 05:25:38 hey all Sep 20 05:25:43 hi Sep 20 05:26:02 * PatrickC decided its time for an open beta Sep 20 05:26:21 be expecting links to the forums and the github repo soon for Your Radio! :) Sep 20 05:27:12 cool Sep 20 05:27:49 forums almost ready Sep 20 05:29:55 wrea: can you check something for me? Sep 20 05:30:09 Sure Sep 20 05:30:26 I'll PM you. its not ready for the public yet :) Sep 20 05:30:38 ok Sep 20 05:31:00 do we have any sort of file viewer available Sep 20 05:31:03 on preware Sep 20 05:31:13 Internalz? Sep 20 05:31:21 CTLAdvance: I need to PM u... Sep 20 05:38:30 if you are interested in beta testing Your Radio, PM me and you'll be the first to get the forum address Sep 20 05:40:45 hmm, so 500 people is like half of palm Sep 20 05:41:10 lol Sep 20 05:41:28 or, well, was half of its 2007 size Sep 20 05:41:43 can't imagine there were hugely expanded Sep 20 05:41:45 since then Sep 20 05:42:22 let's see if we can fin da mor erecent report... Sep 20 05:46:32 "As of May 31, 2009, we had a total of 939 employees" Sep 20 05:46:59 wow Sep 20 05:47:03 over half Sep 20 05:47:13 again, 2 years old, but yea, probably not hugely expanded Sep 20 05:47:25 probably lost some during the merger anyways Sep 20 05:48:00 actually, HP pushed more people into Palm after the merger Sep 20 05:48:57 a lot more? Sep 20 05:49:52 if we say 950 people, lost 50 to duplicated functions, so 900, how much more than 10% would they expand Sep 20 05:49:59 dunno Sep 20 05:50:27 there must be nothing more demoralizing than having a product that you worked on for years get discontinued and firesaled Sep 20 05:50:33 then getting shitcanned yourself Sep 20 05:50:39 :( Sep 20 05:51:41 yea... Sep 20 05:54:13 can you force the touchpad to disconnect from the host pc Sep 20 05:54:19 from the touchpad? Sep 20 05:54:25 when its in usb mode Sep 20 05:57:07 Your Radio open beta now available at http://awesomeapps.cz.cc/forum ! Sep 20 05:57:16 go now, register, download, have fun :) Sep 20 05:57:47 pull the plug? Sep 20 05:58:02 so i was rooting for webos, but i think it's time to call it quits Sep 20 06:02:24 if there is no decently major webos update before the android for touchpad release i think half the touchpad owners will switch over Sep 20 06:06:45 * PatrickC is off to bed Sep 20 06:06:54 I've got enough done for tonight :) Sep 20 06:07:08 I'll wait and see the download numbers tomorrow :) Sep 20 06:15:10 boop di boop Sep 20 06:15:18 plov: aw Sep 20 07:03:03 auctions for AT&T PRE3 Sep 20 07:03:06 is all over ebay now Sep 20 07:07:57 * EricBlade pokes idly thru the stuff in libWebKit.so .. discovers a "UserAgentOverride". Sep 20 07:09:37 * eighthree pokes EricBlade Sep 20 07:09:42 Wish I had the build system for webkit Sep 20 07:09:56 * EricBlade ows Sep 20 07:10:54 wrea: where is it Sep 20 07:11:00 EricBlade: rawr :B Sep 20 07:11:05 what are you guys up to.. Sep 20 07:11:18 eighthree, palm Sep 20 07:11:18 need to sell a pre3 Sep 20 07:11:22 D: Sep 20 07:11:34 heh: I like this ebay listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Touchstone-free-unlocked-HP-Pre-3-4G-Smartphone-AT-T-GSM-UMTS-850-QWERTY-/280742180821?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item415d89b7d5#ht_6889wt_1141 Sep 20 07:11:43 yeah sillyness Sep 20 07:11:50 $750 for a touchstone, and you get a free 16GB Pre 3 for free :) Sep 20 07:12:17 I'm not sure if they must provide the pre3 with that Sep 20 07:12:23 or they could chose to exclude the "free" Sep 20 07:12:26 can't sell the pre3, right? :P Sep 20 07:12:30 I got the stock on, but it includes nothing for the stuff palm put in Sep 20 07:12:47 dwc-: haven't tried selling it yet :P Sep 20 07:13:00 dwc-: mainly. just asking folks here if they're keen on one.. Sep 20 07:13:10 hm, it's that same mokono mikyaki again Sep 20 07:13:13 eighthree: 8 or 16 GB ? Sep 20 07:13:20 * dwc- wonders why they have so many Sep 20 07:13:21 8 Sep 20 07:13:25 might take some loss on it Sep 20 07:13:29 meh - got two of those already :) Sep 20 07:13:34 ;p Sep 20 07:13:37 i know this rwhitby Sep 20 07:13:38 ;p Sep 20 07:13:49 if its a developer here that is looking for one Sep 20 07:14:00 i'd feel better taking a 100-200 loss Sep 20 07:15:01 Looked further and it seems like WebCore and WebKit are the only things LGPL, rest looks like BSD. Sep 20 07:29:45 wrea: >.< Sep 20 07:29:55 i tried the ie10? testing site on my touchpad and veer Sep 20 07:30:06 surprisingly not bad tbh Sep 20 07:30:17 did acid3 test.. i think it got 96/100 Sep 20 07:30:18 x) Sep 20 07:30:51 Want to edit a couple of perl scripts for me? :P Sep 20 07:31:03 why Sep 20 07:31:06 what forr Sep 20 07:31:12 do i get candy & beads Sep 20 07:32:14 Build scripts for webkit, add in a --palm switch so it'll build the stuff we need Sep 20 07:32:32 just tell me what to do Sep 20 07:32:37 ill doo it Sep 20 07:33:30 http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/WebKitTools/Scripts/build-webkit?rev=54000 Sep 20 07:33:37 http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/WebKitTools/Scripts/webkitdirs.pm?rev=54000 Sep 20 07:33:45 omg spam Sep 20 07:33:55 ohz noez Sep 20 07:35:47 so what exactly do you want me to do :P Sep 20 07:54:53 wrea you got a pre3 Sep 20 07:54:53 ? Sep 20 07:55:21 nope Sep 20 07:56:32 ow ;( Sep 20 07:57:28 i want to figure out the app ID for skype Sep 20 07:58:10 hmm Sep 20 07:59:13 want it for my cutesey veer Sep 20 07:59:27 Thatd be cool Sep 20 08:00:09 you have a veer? Sep 20 08:00:24 In for repair, but yeah Sep 20 08:01:41 repair?? for what ;( Sep 20 08:03:19 screen Sep 20 08:03:25 it was brand new too Sep 20 08:03:37 maybe its com.palm.skype? Sep 20 08:09:05 nyup. false. Sep 20 08:09:11 some line? Sep 20 08:09:15 on the screen i mean. Sep 20 08:14:32 eighthree, a bunch of stuck pixels Sep 20 08:14:48 ow ;( Sep 20 08:23:55 hmm Sep 20 08:27:19 :D Sep 20 08:29:06 eighthree, is it in /usr/palm/ipkgs ? Sep 20 08:29:17 umm i don't have a pre3 on hand atm :X Sep 20 08:29:25 :( Sep 20 08:29:51 its not there in /usr/palm/ipkgs in the doctor image Sep 20 08:30:24 for pre3? yeah. but on the app store its apparently released ... Sep 20 08:30:29 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/299966-skype-now-downloadable.html Sep 20 09:10:39 wonder if you can port the camera app from pre3 Sep 20 09:10:41 to touchpad Sep 20 09:10:41 :O Sep 20 09:39:01 wrea: u still here? Sep 20 09:39:03 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/index.php?packageid=com.palm.app.skype Sep 20 09:41:52 too bad it doesn't work on veer Sep 20 09:47:04 divStar: did you try it ;O Sep 20 09:47:14 wait isn't it an enyo app or.. Sep 20 09:47:24 i don't have access to the ipk so :\ Sep 20 09:47:39 it says webos 2.20 ... Sep 20 09:47:45 oh lol Sep 20 09:47:45 veer has 2.1.2 or 2.1.1 Sep 20 09:47:52 I'm not sure but if you do Sep 20 09:48:08 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/298326-enyo-pre-pre2-veer-working.html Sep 20 09:48:18 and do impostah Sep 20 09:48:19 or something.. Sep 20 09:48:21 if it fixes it Sep 20 09:48:32 not sure o-o Sep 20 09:49:29 hmm.. might be worth a check - thanks! Sep 20 09:51:18 let me know if it works divStar ! Sep 20 09:55:46 nah.. I am not trying it right now - I've bookmared the page though Sep 20 10:00:33 best of luck to those formerly working at HP/Palm Sep 20 10:03:38 aye madnificent Sep 20 10:12:57 http://androidcommunity.com/touchpad-android-port-continues-hw-acceleration-more-video-20110920/ Sep 20 10:15:31 I wish I'd have gotten a touchpad :( but I wasn't lucky enough Sep 20 10:16:02 hey divStar you happen to be wanting a pre3 ;P? Sep 20 10:16:24 eighthree: you selling one? Sep 20 10:16:32 yer Sep 20 10:16:38 not ATT if thats what u want Sep 20 10:18:55 akanster* Sep 20 10:19:05 ? Sep 20 10:19:23 I'd want one .. but you'll probably want a pretty high price for it :p Sep 20 10:19:34 what's "high" divStar Sep 20 10:19:44 i wouldn't be making profit out of it.. Sep 20 10:19:51 and it ships within north america Sep 20 10:19:54 or wherever you are ;P Sep 20 10:20:15 heh well then it sucks for me - I'm from Europe (Germany) :D.. Sep 20 10:20:41 I do have paypal though .. or a bank account Sep 20 10:21:00 ah wel.. whats your max :P Sep 20 10:21:04 rather, budget Sep 20 10:21:42 hm... you and me know that the Pre3 is more worth than it was sold for in the end .. Sep 20 10:22:03 actually I think I'd rather have a touchpad than a pre3 since I've got a Veer and am pretty happy with that one Sep 20 10:23:07 besides .. it kinda feel uncomfortable to buy/sell from someone you don't really know - no offense please Sep 20 10:23:28 i have an extra 32GB touchpad but selling that to my sister X) Sep 20 10:23:49 heh.. well family certainly goes first Sep 20 10:24:30 divStar: true about the price~ but i didn't get it at -THAT- price x) Sep 20 10:25:09 ah .. so yours is a bit older then, hm? still.. why not keep that great piece :p Sep 20 10:25:27 no Sep 20 10:25:32 both NIB Sep 20 10:25:38 nib? Sep 20 10:25:40 THAT i mean the cheap price Sep 20 10:25:48 i got it at the inflated price x: Sep 20 10:25:51 and new in box Sep 20 10:26:04 ah .. so you had yours already and simply used your chance to get another one? Sep 20 10:28:05 nawh. Sep 20 10:28:24 seller was suspicious, set a dispute Sep 20 10:28:25 but.. Sep 20 10:28:29 didn't work ut Sep 20 10:28:32 out* Sep 20 10:28:37 so.. ended up getting 2 :| Sep 20 10:28:45 ah.. hm okay.. Sep 20 10:28:54 since i won a bid $80 US cheaper than that one Sep 20 10:28:55 bleh Sep 20 10:28:59 shouldn't have bid but.. Sep 20 10:29:05 surprisingly -won- Sep 20 10:29:24 actually you know .. it's thrilling to get it .. Sep 20 10:29:33 but once you have it .. you often don't know what to do next xD Sep 20 10:29:48 its replacing my veer Sep 20 10:29:53 as much as i like it. Sep 20 10:30:07 i like taking photos.. it just doesn't cut it X: Sep 20 10:30:12 esp. without autofocus Sep 20 10:30:23 I love my Veer .. the only thing I don't like are those bugs every now and then Sep 20 10:30:41 like .. sometimes the display staying black and not responding to button presses until put on the Touchstone Sep 20 10:30:55 photos like this: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/timothygarcia/017KfFzLg7DyIGgMhxQ1q0qpE0XUUBkLRk4t90lp37rFJDYTDLjp7Bt3zGnu/photo.jpg.scaled.1000.jpg Sep 20 10:30:57 :P Sep 20 10:31:11 yeah can get sluggish Sep 20 10:31:25 what is this taken with? not a veer, right? Sep 20 10:31:32 no iphone Sep 20 10:31:39 I see Sep 20 10:31:58 well .. I love the photos taken with the N7.. I was really surprised about the quality Sep 20 10:32:01 my brother has one Sep 20 10:32:06 iPhone for this too:http://o7.no/nUT3rO Sep 20 10:32:07 or was it N8? can't remember Sep 20 10:32:36 autofocus makes a lot of difference Sep 20 10:32:57 well I usually use my phone for music.. Sep 20 10:33:08 and emails .. don't really make any pics Sep 20 10:33:24 though what I don't like about the veer music app is that it doesn't have any equalizers :/ Sep 20 10:33:37 even my old shi**y samsung jet s8000 had some Sep 20 10:34:10 well thats part 2. the audio jack :( Sep 20 10:34:16 i like the magnetic stuffs but... Sep 20 10:34:23 wrong nudge and it slips out Sep 20 10:34:38 yeah.. that too, but it isn't that bad.. Sep 20 10:34:58 a bit worse is the fact that it's difficult to put the phone in a bag or something without the audio jack disconnecting Sep 20 10:35:11 and then sometimes the music becomes choppy for a millisecond D: Sep 20 10:35:14 and sort of "jumps" Sep 20 10:35:32 oh :( Sep 20 10:35:35 I think it has something to do with the downscaling .. like .. it happens when the cpu downscales Sep 20 10:54:35 holy smokes. the number is 525 now?!? Sep 20 13:59:28 is it actually allowed to make an app free in the App Catalog, but let the user have to pay through the app? Sep 20 13:59:51 (for example via PayPal) Sep 20 14:02:04 the catalog/store does have in-app purchases Sep 20 14:03:14 pc-world: or you can do something like donation-ware Sep 20 14:03:21 that's basically what i did Sep 20 14:03:51 dwc-: but only for webOS 3 - and really, I don't want to use HP's system just for it to be stopped in a few weeks. Sep 20 14:04:09 then do something in-app Sep 20 14:04:13 I would like to "sell" my app without having to use HP's crap, but still distributing the app "for free" in the App Catalog Sep 20 14:04:31 for me, i have it ping my server... if they've donated, i remove ads Sep 20 14:04:38 HattCzech_work: yes, that's my question - we're still allowed to use our own things like PayPal, right? Sep 20 14:04:46 yeah Sep 20 14:04:55 tis not apple :p Sep 20 14:05:10 like expanding features... you could purchase upgrades or something Sep 20 14:05:15 maybe I'm making it free for one day, then the user has to pay Sep 20 14:05:26 so the app review team is able to review it :D Sep 20 14:05:42 it usually takes longer than a day ;) Sep 20 14:05:52 just make it typical shareware Sep 20 14:05:54 but you could have a switch that you flip once it goes live Sep 20 14:05:59 I think it lasts for 30 days or so Sep 20 14:06:02 HattCzech_work: that's what I wanted to say ;) Sep 20 14:06:11 i did that for mine Sep 20 14:06:30 divStar: 30 days is too much I think... Sep 20 14:06:31 because i was sharing infomration with a homebrew app of mine, and that's technically not allowed Sep 20 14:06:35 D: .. does anyone have a baseball bet at hand? Sep 20 14:06:40 I need to kill some tomcat D: Sep 20 14:06:43 so i turned that off until after the app was published, then turned it on Sep 20 14:06:59 HattCzech_work: lol Sep 20 14:07:08 :) Sep 20 14:07:21 then your application would be easy to get to work, no^^? Sep 20 14:07:30 just make it receive a certain value and you're good Sep 20 14:07:34 you can actually replace your plugin/PDK app with an executable that links to non-whitelisted libs I guess, but haven't tested Sep 20 14:08:30 i mean, it's all js... so you could get a json tree with a function in it and use that Sep 20 14:08:33 and you can also replace the whole JS code with things grabbed from a server... Sep 20 14:08:39 to do anything you want :) Sep 20 14:08:44 exactly Sep 20 14:08:49 the auto scanner is more or less zero effective Sep 20 14:09:06 the only thing which could get a little complicated is to trick out the jailer Sep 20 14:09:26 so if you want full file system access without having to tell the user to turn devmode on Sep 20 14:10:09 anyone worked with the PayPal API yet? Sep 20 14:10:28 I'll probably just do it manually than having to worry about it Sep 20 14:43:32 oh hey Sep 20 14:43:40 gotta go Sep 20 14:43:43 love all of you Sep 20 14:45:45 * halfhalo yawns Sep 20 14:55:55 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038245/66-children-crammed-8-seater-van-China.html Sep 20 14:57:14 this suprises you how? Sep 20 15:00:58 hi there. have a question on touchpad webos. I set up different alarm clocks. every time I restart luna or the TP I have to open up the alarm section in the clock application (applications->clock) to make the alarm come up in the top task bar. Sep 20 15:39:02 LBP: the alarm will go off, just the notification will show when you load the clock Sep 20 15:39:17 i don't like having the alarm in the notification area Sep 20 15:51:31 roy-pre1011: ping-a-ling Sep 20 15:53:28 racist Sep 20 15:55:05 sugardave: pong Sep 20 15:57:20 campfire, one moment please Sep 20 15:57:23 howdy! Sep 20 15:58:14 so (quick?) q -- activating a 2.x device over wifi w/o doctoring -- easy or hard? Sep 20 15:59:13 Is it possible to get the wifi profile into the device w/o a doctor? Sep 20 16:00:51 I don't think so, but #webos-internals is going to be the best place to find out Sep 20 16:01:23 yeah i was meaning to ask if i should ask in #woi instead Sep 20 16:02:01 ajay_: 2.x device may not be doable w/o doctoring Sep 20 16:02:08 but internals is the place to ask Sep 20 16:04:40 HattCzech_work: already on it :) Sep 20 16:07:37 sugardave: img drag click issue? check post 3.0.2 releases. Sep 20 16:07:51 yeah, I saw your post and Ben's response Sep 20 16:07:56 I got my workaround out of that Sep 20 16:08:16 mine's a little different with the htmlcontent being a view in a virtual carousel, but the issue is the same Sep 20 16:08:29 ya, hopefully the 'fix' gets 'fixed'. Sep 20 16:08:49 I fixed mine a little differently...put requiresDomMousedown: true on my htmlcontent Sep 20 16:09:10 but, it kind of messes up the ability to drag the scroller if you try on the actual Sep 20 16:09:18 so, tradeoffs Sep 20 16:10:02 ya, eating up my events is not nice. Could just subclass the HtmlContent kind to fix it, but would prefer not. Sep 20 16:10:14 yeah, I'm out of time on this project Sep 20 16:10:18 so, Mr. Right Now it is Sep 20 16:11:18 ya, thats often the case. atleast at work. when its my personal project atleast the call is mine - I can release whenever i want. Sep 20 16:12:11 sugardave: you mentioned before about wrapping around another call to a service, right? Sep 20 16:12:31 do you know how i can access content to the contact info for the peoplepicker? Sep 20 16:12:56 i'm able to get the overlay and popup to not be seen, but i can't seem to access the data inside the popup Sep 20 16:13:05 and it might be restricted, so i'm wondering about that Sep 20 16:13:44 wouldnt be accessing a different app be crossbrowser scripting? Sep 20 16:14:09 and isnt it forbidden by the engine? I dunno if WebOS works around that somehow Sep 20 16:17:28 HattCzech_work: this sounds familiar. If you can access the popup, though, and make it be invisible, can you not access its components? Sep 20 16:18:10 anyone w/ a pre3 here? how does skype work with it? (how well, and how -- 3g or wifi?) Sep 20 16:18:16 sugardave talking in #webos again? must have been canned? Sep 20 16:18:26 not even close :P Sep 20 16:18:48 good. how else are we supposed to get new infos?!? Sep 20 16:18:50 personally I think verizon should demand Pre3 for all existing palm-using customers, so that we can upgrade ;) Sep 20 16:18:57 ajay_: don't have skype on my pre3, but it should do wifi like the TouchPad one does Sep 20 16:19:13 and not 3g only like the vzw pre2 does? Sep 20 16:19:17 lol Sep 20 16:19:27 heh, not sure 100%, but I would hope so Sep 20 16:19:46 doesn't the vzw pre2 use cell minutes? Sep 20 16:19:52 carrier being a dick? not surprised Sep 20 16:19:52 sugardave: doesn't skype come on all pre3s? (Else how to use the front-facing camera?) Sep 20 16:20:47 to take duckface pictures of yourself without needing a bathroom mirror? Sep 20 16:20:52 front-facing camera? Sep 20 16:21:12 my pre3 seems to be missing that Sep 20 16:21:26 fail Sep 20 16:21:37 maybe my new one will have it :D Sep 20 16:21:56 halfhalo: yes it does, for voice, but assumingly video skype on a VzPre3 would use data, but nobody knows Sep 20 16:23:10 sugardave: oo, with words like that you're likely to be burned at the stake :) Sep 20 16:24:30 BRING IT! Sep 20 16:24:45 * halfhalo will steal said pre3 before any burning occurs Sep 20 16:25:18 * RagingMind will steal the pre3 from halfhalo while he's watching the burning Sep 20 16:25:27 sugardave: any chance webOS internals could get some pre3s? sounds like they don't have a single vz nor att one.. Sep 20 16:26:27 i think they're all coming from over seas Sep 20 16:26:38 azerty or whatever Sep 20 16:27:12 there are no vzw ones or att ones because its not HPs decision to give away hardware branded for another company. Sep 20 16:27:13 damn having 2 profiles w/ different apps on them is slightly annoying! Sep 20 16:27:16 oil: exactly Sep 20 16:27:46 shipped to jhojho because he is in scotland or somewhere like that Sep 20 16:27:51 and he is going to ferry them back to the states Sep 20 16:28:08 like a drug mule Sep 20 16:28:10 rwatkins: maybe you missed the news, the Vz/ATT ones are out Sep 20 16:28:11 haha Sep 20 16:28:27 ajay_: At this time, we don't know about future developer device availability Sep 20 16:28:27 well they are on ebay... that's far from an actual release Sep 20 16:28:31 you mean "are being auctioned on ebay"? Sep 20 16:28:34 idk how he is going to swallow the balloons with pre3s in them Sep 20 16:28:44 * ajay_ imagines jhojho the pre3 mule Sep 20 16:28:55 oilsworkn, he wouldn't be swallowing Sep 20 16:28:57 ajay_, yup Sep 20 16:29:07 * halfhalo wants pics Sep 20 16:29:17 RagingMind: I was going to say.. ;^) Sep 20 16:29:18 sugardave: i can't believe you regurgitated line that sounds like it came from a lawyer Sep 20 16:29:27 I'm sure an apple employee can also auction off his iPhone5, but that doesnt make them "available". Sep 20 16:29:35 sugardave: maybe they can get one of yours! :) Sep 20 16:29:41 oilsworkn: I cut and pasted that one from campfire :P Sep 20 16:29:41 i bet the auction in the bar was exciting Sep 20 16:29:47 oilsworkn: haha.. Sep 20 16:30:06 each palm employee has their own personal monkey who threatens them at gunpoint to recite the company line. then throws poop everywhere. Sep 20 16:30:09 webOS internals aren't just 'developers,' they're more on the realm of gods Sep 20 16:30:21 ajay_: well, the one I have now is a work one, I'm only getting one personal one Sep 20 16:30:21 srsly sugardave, make something happen Sep 20 16:30:29 halfhalo: not all, just the ones in the public eye :) Sep 20 16:30:41 I have a couple of Pre 2s and a +! Sep 20 16:30:45 no, no, all of them. mine was named bob. Sep 20 16:30:51 and a partridge in a pear tree! Sep 20 16:30:56 I'd love a Pre 2 Sep 20 16:31:09 I'm still on a Pre+, hoping for some sweet ebay deal... or the mobile phone gods to take pity on me Sep 20 16:31:25 * oilsworkn puts on his gi and blackbelt and heads to sugardaves office to hand out asskickings Sep 20 16:31:28 * ajay_ wishes he grabbed the $50 VzPre2 when it was avail.. doh!! Sep 20 16:32:00 were they firesaling gsm (att or unlocked) pre2's too? Sep 20 16:32:07 yup Sep 20 16:32:11 damn Sep 20 16:32:11 * halfhalo has shelf of them now Sep 20 16:32:39 I don't know if it is the Pre3 or webOs 2.2 by itslef, but when trying to launch an app from the launcher I often end up scrolling to the next page... Any idea about that ? Sep 20 16:33:07 I have normal-sized-fingers afaik o_O Sep 20 16:33:20 lucky for me i sold my extra VzPre2 mere weeks before announcement.. (mere yards from where hp had paid for rwhitby to speak.. oh, the irony of it all) Sep 20 16:33:34 as far as you know is right sausage hands Sep 20 16:33:56 the TP will charge from a USB port VERY slowly as long as the screen is turned off Sep 20 16:34:05 Famic: this isn't your first device i assume? Sep 20 16:34:10 RagingMind yup. Sep 20 16:34:12 i wonder if the mintiboost thing or whatever will charge a tp Sep 20 16:34:17 RagingMind: will it? i haven't seen the charging icon Sep 20 16:34:29 ajay_: I had a Pre+ before, I didn't have that problem with it Sep 20 16:34:39 ajay_, I doesn't say it it, but I've been checking the battery level Sep 20 16:34:42 I might try working on adhoc again today Sep 20 16:34:43 Famic: just double-checking.. ;^) Sep 20 16:34:50 Famic: patches? Sep 20 16:35:04 RagingMind: interesting.. but i guess very slowly isn't wholly useful then :) Sep 20 16:35:09 it will trickle charge off of usb (and also when you charge it when it is completely dead it will trickle charge until it has enough power for the power chip to kick in) Sep 20 16:35:15 oilsworkn: I have a few, but I think it was happening before I applied any Sep 20 16:35:17 i wonder if the scrollspeed/sensitivity patches cause that problem Sep 20 16:36:11 * ajay_ needs to disable the caps lock key on the TP.. grr on it! Sep 20 16:36:22 though, i dont have them installed, and i dont have such a problem Sep 20 16:36:54 HP wall charger: 5.3V 2000mA, the car charger I just bought: 5V 2100mA... but the car charger is just *barely* able to charge the TP when the screen is on Sep 20 16:37:33 huh Sep 20 16:37:36 only if there was a smaller touchpad Sep 20 16:37:42 * oilsworkn looks at sugardave Sep 20 16:37:49 haha.. read my mind! :) Sep 20 16:37:58 and it gives me a warning about the charger not putting out enough juice Sep 20 16:38:18 a smaller TP would be spiffy... but for now I'm focused on finding myself a pre3 Sep 20 16:38:37 a smaller TouchPad you say? Sep 20 16:38:42 * halfhalo is trying to get pre3's as well. Sep 20 16:38:44 I have NO idea what you are talking about Sep 20 16:38:46 sugardave the webos sugardaddy? Sep 20 16:38:48 LIES Sep 20 16:38:52 damnit, why are these novacom gets failing, arg Sep 20 16:39:54 oh maybe it's related to this device's flakey usb port Sep 20 16:40:15 but i kept it covered ! (haha, turns out damage to be concerned about is not so much dust/etc) Sep 20 16:40:47 RagingMind: if I had them, I'd give out devices to people Sep 20 16:40:53 sugardave: i can't seem to find the control with the data in it Sep 20 16:41:14 i could see that there were two controls, but couldn't locate the data inside it Sep 20 16:41:40 do they have anything like the old inspector? Sep 20 16:41:52 chrome dev tools :D Sep 20 16:41:55 so i can view the information while on the emulator? Sep 20 16:42:03 oh Sep 20 16:42:05 has to be in the emu or i can't access contact info Sep 20 16:42:06 hmmm Sep 20 16:42:22 I wonder if emulator host mode still works Sep 20 16:42:38 host mode? Sep 20 16:42:49 aka magic sauce? Sep 20 16:43:02 i like magic sauce Sep 20 16:43:03 it's the one where you set up a tunnel (optional) to some port on the emu and then you can run the app in a browser Sep 20 16:43:20 that sounds good to me Sep 20 16:43:36 hang on a sec Sep 20 16:45:32 running apps in a browser... through the emulator... BRILLIANT! Sep 20 16:45:43 reminds me of a guinness commercial Sep 20 16:46:14 geez, that took forever to find: https://developer.palm.com/content/content/api/dev-guide/tools/emulator.html#new-beta-feature-emulator-host-mode Sep 20 16:46:27 so, has been around since 1.4.1...probably still works? Sep 20 16:47:08 that sounds like exactly what i need Sep 20 16:47:11 thanks Sep 20 16:47:21 good luck! Sep 20 16:48:00 makes me want to remote into home and try it right now... oh, i can do that! :) yay TP with ubuntu Sep 20 16:48:08 hehe Sep 20 16:50:11 "unable to find device"?! what novacom? I see it rght there!! Sep 20 16:50:32 hii Sep 20 16:50:46 oh damn, typing that made it work.. creepy! Sep 20 16:51:02 oh, anyone know where i can find vpn connection info in webos 3? Sep 20 16:51:09 hey ajay.. typing what Sep 20 16:51:09 i want to see why it's not connecting Sep 20 16:52:04 eighthree: typing my complaint to novacom in the channel made it work! Sep 20 16:52:39 lol yaay! great success Sep 20 16:52:43 palm must have some bot that controls whether my novacom works well or not, that sits in this channel Sep 20 16:52:57 that may be! Sep 20 16:53:18 * ajay_ looks at sugardave, wonders if he's a bot Sep 20 16:53:30 most definitely is Sep 20 16:53:34 :o oooh flirty Sep 20 16:53:37 yup Sep 20 16:53:46 * HattCzech_work has met sugardave and knows he at least doesn't LOOK like a bot Sep 20 16:53:49 * ajay_ then wonders if transformers are bots.. i guess so Sep 20 16:53:54 unless he is very advanced Sep 20 16:53:54 do palm folks ever hangs out here Sep 20 16:53:55 i met him in NYC Sep 20 16:54:01 eighthree: yes Sep 20 16:54:12 he was in one of those little shuttle cases Sep 20 16:54:15 * HattCzech_work wishes he could have gone to NYC Sep 20 16:54:23 eighthree: there's multiple here now! (git im! :) Sep 20 16:54:40 I hope they're not the one who just got booted :( Sep 20 16:54:53 outside smoking a cigarette and someone is all "oh, you're the one we're supposed to blame!" Sep 20 16:55:03 hah Sep 20 16:55:07 hahaha Sep 20 16:55:08 it transcended into meatspace Sep 20 16:55:19 eighthree: i musta missed that.. but i'm sure they weren't :) Sep 20 16:55:35 I totally should have built a life-sized Wheel O' Blame for NYC Sep 20 16:55:36 dammit Sep 20 16:55:44 too late now Sep 20 16:55:55 sugardave: do you know where vpn connection logs are? Sep 20 16:55:58 lol Sep 20 16:55:58 or is it... Sep 20 16:56:07 yes halfhalo, shutup, it is Sep 20 16:56:17 do we know of planned software updates :p Sep 20 16:56:25 because these 'failed to authenticate. try again.' messages are bogus... i know my vpn info... and i know it works... :/ Sep 20 16:56:33 if they're working on one.. Sep 20 16:56:43 HattCzech_work: erg, no...have not ever tried a VPN connection Sep 20 16:56:47 also just sold the extra pre3 :4 Sep 20 16:56:48 let me see if someone is around Sep 20 16:56:58 okay, cool Sep 20 16:57:02 eighthree: hp claims they still <3 webos Sep 20 16:57:14 eighthree: sign up for early access. read the forums. Sep 20 16:57:15 claims :) Sep 20 16:57:40 some of us are a bit fanatical, but we like webos as well... and wish hp loved it as much as we do Sep 20 16:57:49 * rwatkins needs a pre3 to figure out why sliding panes in enyo on it seem to be ... slow. Sep 20 16:57:56 rwatkins: the palm developer forums aye? will doodly Sep 20 16:58:15 * ajay_ wants to do a google hangout on his TP.. :( Sep 20 16:58:28 but of course only slow on teh device, not the emulator. :/ Sep 20 16:58:40 HattCzech_work, /var/log/vpn.log Sep 20 16:58:47 wrea: thanks Sep 20 16:58:50 yay! Sep 20 16:58:52 np Sep 20 16:59:29 ajay_ it doesn't work? ooh the g+ api exists.. limited but hopefully will have hangout access Sep 20 16:59:45 ajay_, get a build of google's plugin for arm :p Sep 20 17:00:05 hi wrea.. have you not slept Sep 20 17:00:19 HattCzech_work: claims, because, they said they were doubleing down and all behind it right up till the day they killed it Sep 20 17:00:23 Not very much, no Sep 20 17:00:33 so im not too trusting Sep 20 17:00:37 eighthree: I hadn't tried, but i just assumed it doesn't (cuz most things..) Sep 20 17:00:51 wrea: haha.. probably would be easy under chromium.. Sep 20 17:01:07 why? Sep 20 17:01:09 oh you know what else would be fun? A ChromiumOS chroot in webOS, then we could have netflix!!! Sep 20 17:01:23 wrea : you must be from europe.. or something Sep 20 17:01:34 ajay_: get on it Sep 20 17:01:40 If by europe you mean the US, then yes Sep 20 17:01:43 I need more sleep.. on my crusade to work :((( Sep 20 17:02:21 someone should tear apart the netflix addition to chrome and see how it ticks Sep 20 17:02:27 oilsworkn: i'm with you... and i strongly dislike (might i even use the word 'hate'?) leo Sep 20 17:02:29 oil: eek! i need more space for that.. :( Sep 20 17:02:35 ajay_, but I'm pretty sure it'll be x86 Sep 20 17:02:51 RagingMind: there's a chromiumOS arm build. And anyways, it's OSS Sep 20 17:02:53 ajay_: i thought it was all "cloud operating system" Sep 20 17:03:00 what do you need local storage for? Sep 20 17:03:01 xD Sep 20 17:03:13 oil: um, for building/running the "OS" :) Sep 20 17:03:15 ajay_, but is there a netflix plugin for the arm build? :P Sep 20 17:03:19 pron on the woods Sep 20 17:03:28 or install Android on the TP, then PhoneGap your Enyo app! Sep 20 17:03:30 ajay_: it was mostly a joke :) Sep 20 17:03:32 RagingMind: oh.. uhh.. Sep 20 17:03:41 but chromeos can't take that much space Sep 20 17:03:44 i mean, its just a browser Sep 20 17:03:47 oil: I know :) Sep 20 17:04:09 nooo Sep 20 17:04:13 webos :y Sep 20 17:04:16 and hte guys working to get android working dual boot need to throw all that away and get it working in a card Sep 20 17:04:17 RagingMind: I dunno, are chromeOS apps tied to architechture? That seems.. backwards Sep 20 17:04:33 are chromeos "apps" not html5? Sep 20 17:04:37 oil: that'd be HOT! get on it. :) Sep 20 17:04:50 ajay_: i would if i knew where to start or what to do to make it happen lol Sep 20 17:04:51 I'm just guessing that the netflix one uses some special drm stuff Sep 20 17:04:53 some chromeos apps may be tied to arch now Sep 20 17:05:02 my skillset isn't so good for that stuff Sep 20 17:05:06 oil: just make a android chroot, should be all Sep 20 17:05:19 me neither :) Sep 20 17:06:18 it's funny, i didn't think i'd ever care, but turns out.. i wish chromeOS was arm-only, no x86-ness :) (And meego, and..) Sep 20 17:06:32 * ajay_ was freaked out hearing all the "android on x86" talk at intel dev forum last wk Sep 20 17:06:35 wrea: have you looked through the vpn logs before and found any useful info? Sep 20 17:06:50 i keep seeing connected and disconnected, but it's not telling me WHY it disconnected Sep 20 17:07:04 nope, it doesnt support openvpn, so ive never used it. Just knew where the log was Sep 20 17:07:13 okay, thanks Sep 20 17:07:13 I just noticed that some parts of the address book are in intalian instead of being in french... I have "Nouvelle adresse de courriel" (new email address) but then "Nuovo indirizzo IM", "Nuovo indirizzo", "Nuovo URL"...wtf Sep 20 17:08:42 heh Sep 20 17:09:47 oh, its the 20th, yay app payment Sep 20 17:11:55 i do love how the dev portal and what ends up in paypal is never the same Sep 20 17:12:02 thats awesome Sep 20 17:12:53 0 === 0, mine is alawys right :D Sep 20 17:14:03 hey oils what apps do you have :"o Sep 20 17:14:18 awe sugardave Sep 20 17:14:35 sugardave doesn't count Sep 20 17:17:03 or, it adds up Sep 20 17:17:05 but only US sales Sep 20 17:17:06 hmmm, so that's fairly frustrating... i can connect to a vpn ONCE per reboot Sep 20 17:17:25 sugardave: blocked still makes like $30-40 a month Sep 20 17:17:37 and wIRC a little more, that i split with puffy and wi Sep 20 17:17:50 tsktsktsk Sep 20 17:18:19 blocked, date published: 12-18-2009 Sep 20 17:18:23 lols Sep 20 17:18:34 hey, that's a movie date per month. webOS, supplementing developers' mating habits since 2010 Sep 20 17:19:01 ah, but i spend it all on blow and hookers Sep 20 17:19:12 good man~ Sep 20 17:19:56 same thing Sep 20 17:19:59 lol Sep 20 17:20:11 * halfhalo randomly gets like 16 dollars at a time from app payments... which is weird, because his apps were pulled Sep 20 17:20:22 and never actually made it to the real catalog Sep 20 17:20:47 time for some food.. Sep 20 17:20:54 be back in a bit Sep 20 17:21:48 i only get a check once it adds up to 100 Sep 20 17:21:59 maybe thats a currency thing? Sep 20 17:22:12 USD and EUR have to be over 100 each to get a check for that? Sep 20 17:22:25 like, 110 USD and 80 EUR = not getting EUR payment? Sep 20 17:22:32 its a check if you go over 100 or if it has been 6 months Sep 20 17:22:39 i know that Sep 20 17:22:56 but im thinking its currency specific Sep 20 17:23:13 there are 2 buckets, not one Sep 20 17:27:40 I can has a bucket? Sep 20 17:32:11 oilsworkn: last I remember, USD and EUR buckets were separate Sep 20 17:32:36 well, i figure as much Sep 20 17:59:25 ok about that time.. Sep 20 18:18:47 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 20 18:26:30 Ah, implementing backspace keys - is there anything more glorious in programming? Sep 20 18:31:23 sugardave: emulator host mode doesn't seem to work... gives me options for pre and pixi, but no touchpad :/ Sep 20 18:31:31 and it looks like it's formatting it for the device Sep 20 18:31:53 chop off the query part of the URL Sep 20 18:31:56 touchpads back in stock if anyone looking... http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/278394/TABLET-TCHPAD-32GB-97-HP-BLK/ Sep 20 18:32:24 dwc-: think that'll actually work? Sep 20 18:32:44 DougReeder: thanks, that worked Sep 20 18:34:23 HattCzech_work: dunno, but I have one Sep 20 18:34:37 did hp actually stopped webos hardware business? or is it a marketing trick? Sep 20 18:34:37 i have a 16gb, but would like a 32gb Sep 20 18:34:52 thisisit: as far as anyone can tell, they stopped Sep 20 18:35:17 You don't lay off 525 people for a marketing trick Sep 20 18:35:29 dwc-: insufficient stock Sep 20 18:35:35 only 525? Sep 20 18:36:27 taking the trick too far lol Sep 20 18:36:32 HattCzech_work: yep, not available now Sep 20 18:36:43 I was able to add to cart to verify that it was around Sep 20 18:36:48 * DougReeder shrugs "some may transfer to other parts of HP" Sep 20 18:36:50 s/around/in stock/ Sep 20 18:36:51 i was too slow... thanks for the update, though Sep 20 18:36:53 they fled a lot of developers. Sep 20 18:36:59 now when I refresh it says my cart has changed and out of stock Sep 20 18:37:33 so that lasted like... 10 minutes. Sep 20 18:38:08 Anyone have any idea how many people are in webOS GBU? Sep 20 18:38:32 how much was it at Office Depot? Sep 20 18:39:16 $150 Sep 20 18:39:21 Thanks, Sep 20 18:39:29 my poor co-worker Sep 20 18:39:32 I told him to hurry Sep 20 18:39:44 he had it in his cart, then went to check his email for OD coupons Sep 20 18:39:58 dwc-: i was doing the same thing :) haah Sep 20 18:40:05 Back to waiting for HP SMB Sep 20 18:40:21 it's always easier to ask for a coupon to be applied retroactively Sep 20 18:40:28 if you think it'll go out of stock Sep 20 18:40:44 sure it ever was in stock? Sep 20 18:40:46 ahh, i didn't know that Sep 20 18:40:52 dwc-: got it in his cart Sep 20 18:41:32 how did you find out they had them? Chance? Sep 20 18:41:42 slickdeals's twitter feed Sep 20 18:41:50 ... which is how I knew it'd go really fast Sep 20 18:41:56 ah Sep 20 18:41:57 ;) Sep 20 18:43:01 oh man, slickdeals is killing officedepot.com ... I was just going to go price accessories since I was there... Sep 20 18:44:06 what port would webos be on if i have dev mode enabled? and do i need to do some sort of pdk install to access it? Sep 20 18:45:30 dwc-, yeah slow as hell here too Sep 20 18:45:45 I couldnt even get to the page in time Sep 20 18:46:26 I'm having all TCP connections get closed, seemingly randomly, and was wondering if there's a sentinel that kills connections after a certain amount of time or something? Sep 20 18:47:00 Has anyone else encountered that behavior? Basically it's whacking streaming and SSH connections. Sep 20 18:47:05 (At the same time) Sep 20 18:48:11 sigh. stupid OD redirected my search for touchpad to "tablets" Sep 20 18:48:23 no, idiots, I want touchpad accessories Sep 20 18:48:46 did you mean tablet accessories? Sep 20 18:48:59 showing results for ipad accessories Sep 20 18:49:12 Did you mean Ipad? Sep 20 18:49:15 arr too late Sep 20 18:49:19 "it looks like you're trying to buy a touchpad" -clippy Sep 20 18:49:21 lol Sep 20 18:49:26 dwc-: loool Sep 20 18:50:00 hah Sep 20 19:14:47 DougReeder: is there a way to get an actual touchpad to go through that host mode? Sep 20 19:15:15 I'm not sure Sep 20 19:15:48 Wait, I think so, you just have to tunnel to a different port. Sep 20 19:15:48 it's not hosting anything on 8080, but i'm wondering if you could Sep 20 19:15:56 do you know which port? :) Sep 20 19:16:17 i'm connected to the device, but the device isn't hosting whatever that stuff was on 8080 Sep 20 19:16:27 What's the port for the Emulator? Sep 20 19:16:39 5522 (but i think 10022 worked as well) Sep 20 19:16:58 i tried 10022 and it somehow connected to the emu again Sep 20 19:17:10 but i closed that and connected the touchpad and tried again, and it worked Sep 20 19:17:17 but no hosting of apps :/ Sep 20 19:17:26 and ssh/sftp isn't quite working Sep 20 19:17:39 you could use netstat to see what's listening on what port Sep 20 19:17:51 no netstat :) Sep 20 19:17:53 :( Sep 20 19:18:04 windows? Sep 20 19:18:21 wouldn't i want to do netstat on the touchpad? Sep 20 19:18:24 Honestly, I've never tried to use a device in Host mode - I only use Host mode to tweak layout. Sep 20 19:19:03 i wish i had known about host most, that would have been awesome a while back... Sep 20 19:19:14 and will still hopefully be helpful when i get home Sep 20 19:19:36 HattCzech_work, unless you have your touchpad connected to the computer via a wifi network or USBnet mode... it would be a program on the computer that listens on a port and communicates through novacom Sep 20 19:19:57 i have the touchpad connected to my computer through usb on port 10022 Sep 20 19:20:18 but the host mode was port forwarding 8080 on the emulator to a list of apps Sep 20 19:20:30 my physical touchpad is not forwarding that port Sep 20 19:20:37 10022 is a network port, not a USB one. so something has to either relay the commands or you're not in standard devmode Sep 20 19:21:27 I'm not even sure if the touchpad usb gadget supports usbnet, I know the phones do (for usb tethering) Sep 20 19:21:34 i know it's a network port, but that's how i would typically connect to it through putty when i connect to usb Sep 20 19:22:21 good question, i've installed freetether, but haven't really tried it through the touchpad Sep 20 19:22:30 i'd need the usbnet drivers, which might differ for the touchpad Sep 20 19:22:33 Is port 5581 open on a device? I was never sure what was being tunneled to what. Sep 20 19:22:42 there's some sdk magic at work then Sep 20 19:23:20 5581 is the local (computer) port that connects to the port 8080 on the device Sep 20 19:23:30 (from what i understand) Sep 20 19:24:07 You could use the firewall API to open port 8080 Sep 20 19:25:37 but i don't know if that host thing will be running on that port Sep 20 19:25:48 i don't know what the process is that i'd be looking for on 8080 Sep 20 19:27:51 Do you have to have a process idea to open a port in the firewall? Sep 20 19:28:13 s/idea/ID Sep 20 19:28:23 probably not, but i just doubt it will be running, so i don't think there would be a point in opening it Sep 20 19:29:27 What's your objective in getting Host Mode operating? Sep 20 19:29:55 run apps from my touchpad on my computer :) Sep 20 19:32:24 Yeah, I thought that would be a great way to avoid the need for local syncing - but Palm/HP never was interested in that - or it was inherently inefficient Sep 20 19:35:34 if i had more time, i'd play with this and figure it out (which i will still try to do) Sep 20 19:41:03 hey Sep 20 19:41:24 anyone know of a good gvoice client for webos? Sep 20 19:41:35 which OS? Sep 20 19:41:42 I'm only interested in texting, and I have a Pixi and a touchpad Sep 20 19:41:54 so 1.4.5 and 3 Sep 20 19:42:05 on the pixi, your option (I think, maybe not) is Voogle Sep 20 19:42:12 on TP, there's GVoice Sep 20 19:42:14 I have it Sep 20 19:42:19 Voogle may only be 2.x Sep 20 19:42:25 google sucks Sep 20 19:42:31 voogle* Sep 20 19:42:35 I've got it Sep 20 19:42:40 it's opensource, I believe Sep 20 19:42:41 random spas outs Sep 20 19:42:44 but it's also the only otoin Sep 20 19:42:46 option* Sep 20 19:42:47 doesn't download new messages Sep 20 19:43:03 won't login to my account Sep 20 19:43:07 what's gvoice? Sep 20 19:43:27 I see gv text Sep 20 19:43:38 maybe that's what I'm thinking of Sep 20 19:43:41 in the catalog (I'm on my tp right now Sep 20 19:43:47 the one on the TP works pretty well Sep 20 19:43:52 no listening to messages though Sep 20 19:43:54 that's $3 thouh Sep 20 19:44:01 granted Sep 20 19:44:08 don't care about listening to messages Sep 20 19:44:10 it's EricBlade's app, iirc Sep 20 19:44:25 hi guys. i am back after being without internet for 10 hours. i survived. Sep 20 19:44:37 and google broke gvoice :( Sep 20 19:44:41 hey Sep 20 19:44:46 its broke? Sep 20 19:44:54 I was about to buy it Sep 20 19:44:57 if i hit the "suspend" button on My Apps, will I be able to unsuspend it? Sep 20 19:45:13 voogle broke too Sep 20 19:45:24 Ericblade it doesn't work? Sep 20 19:45:26 siestacat: :D i've already got a fix, and i've sent a letter to Google pointing out their error Sep 20 19:45:49 when will the fix be available? Sep 20 19:46:07 I need a good texting app pretty quick Sep 20 19:48:10 are you pushing the fix now? Sep 20 19:49:08 I'm trying to suspend the current one, but the suspend button is gone! Sep 20 19:49:11 EricBlade: is your app gonna support listening to voicemail at some point? Sep 20 19:49:38 I'm just looking for a good texting solution Sep 20 19:49:48 summatusmentis: the update that's in the pipeline does right now, as long as you have flash set to run in your browser Sep 20 19:49:49 when will it be fixed? Sep 20 19:50:27 EricBlade: neat Sep 20 19:50:45 so the only other thing I want then is a different color scheme :) Sep 20 19:50:48 I'll buy as soon as its fixed Sep 20 19:50:52 i'm going to have to cancel that update, and resubmit it then Sep 20 19:51:50 which takes how long? Sep 20 19:52:07 will it be ready for purchase in 2 hours? Sep 20 19:52:53 it takes days for updates to go through Sep 20 19:53:21 oh :( Sep 20 19:53:34 no texting for me for awhile then Sep 20 19:54:30 siestacat: pretty unlikely. give me a few minutes to work this out, though Sep 20 19:54:39 ok Sep 20 19:54:41 i'm concerned with trying to stop people from buying it at the moment Sep 20 19:55:51 yeah Sep 20 19:58:43 oh wait Sep 20 19:58:51 Eric, yours is gvoice? Sep 20 19:59:14 I was going to download gvoice text from forwebos.com Sep 20 20:00:31 yeah mine is GVoice Sep 20 20:00:52 i don't know if GVText is broken Sep 20 20:02:04 oh Sep 20 20:02:13 yours looks better and cheaper Sep 20 20:03:28 well i can confirm that setting the "UserAgentOverride" string in your browser config will break the app catalog Sep 20 20:05:13 Is PNG the only image format that apps can use? Sep 20 20:06:52 it's preferred, not sure if it's the only Sep 20 20:08:11 join #drupal Sep 20 20:08:16 i guess i write a review for my own app that warns people. sigh. Sep 20 20:09:16 jszejner: why? Sep 20 20:09:36 HattCzech_work: lol im working on drupal stuff right now Sep 20 20:09:58 ahhh ok Sep 20 20:10:01 i just always join webos when im on irc. oh and i missed the slash (doh) Sep 20 20:10:34 my banner icon is screwed up on the TouchPad (but not the emulator), and I'd like to try a different format to see if that fixes it. Sep 20 20:10:39 ok i'm going to submit an update Sep 20 20:10:44 hehehe, gotcha :) Sep 20 20:10:51 hi Sep 20 20:10:58 DougReeder: i get that too. I also get that on the Facebook app. I think there's a problem in the banner code. Sep 20 20:11:47 Ah in the Facebook app? Could you add that to the thread on the dev forums? (I don't use Facbook) Sep 20 20:12:24 DougReeder: its messed in a bunch of apps. Sep 20 20:12:45 I packaged up Spotify for the TP and see it there most of the time too. Sep 20 20:13:01 I think HP will pay more attention the the Facebook app than various 3rd part apps. Sep 20 20:13:05 does the touchpads's facebook app have a fb chat? Sep 20 20:13:31 DougReeder: link to thread? Sep 20 20:13:52 possibly. Sep 20 20:14:23 fudge_palm: not afaik Sep 20 20:14:27 I'll have to dig the htread up... Sep 20 20:15:12 oh. it'd be of great benefit if the fb chat was integrated into the messaging app Sep 20 20:15:41 it's the only downfall to webos imo. Sep 20 20:15:48 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17042 Sep 20 20:16:05 fudge_palm: there was a patch somwhere might not work for the tp though Sep 20 20:16:42 fudge_palm: do you have preware? Sep 20 20:17:01 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17042 Sep 20 20:17:25 and https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=18320 Sep 20 20:17:27 yea. I do. I don't own a touchpad, but a pixi Sep 20 20:17:42 the fb chat spoof patch no longer works afik Sep 20 20:17:48 and upside down - thats pretty good Sep 20 20:18:00 afaik* Sep 20 20:18:00 fudge_palm: ah then nvm sorry i couldnt help Sep 20 20:18:57 lol it's ok. Sep 20 20:19:08 rwatkins have you discovered any image format which works around the bug? Sep 20 20:19:31 DougReeder: no, though havent worked that hard Sep 20 20:20:11 Doubling the size (so the device is reducing it) makes it appear consistenly upside-down for me. Sep 20 20:21:04 my app icon is not that vastly different upside down, so maybe a so-so fix for now. Sep 20 20:21:27 or .. reverse the image. :) Sep 20 20:22:21 I use the smae icon for Dashboards, so can't save it upside down Sep 20 20:22:24 i have the luxury of an app where essentially almost all my users are 3.0 Sep 20 20:25:29 how do i remove an installed Feed in Preware please? Sep 20 20:26:52 Ooooh, hey tripling the dimensions of my icon makes it appear correctly. Damn if that isn't the oddest workaround. Sep 20 20:27:02 ha Sep 20 20:27:10 i've been using a 32x32 and i nearly always get garbage or incorrect app icon for the banner Sep 20 20:27:30 Scale it up to 72x72 Sep 20 20:29:53 i created my app icon at 7 different sizes - but none at 72px. ugh Sep 20 20:30:26 Try using your 96x96 Sep 20 20:31:10 dont have a device setup here at the moment to repro, but wanna atleast change teh code here before i let it slip my todo list Sep 20 20:31:50 * DougReeder grinning "I can reccomend a good to-do list app" Sep 20 20:31:54 got a beta release heading out shortly w/ text selection / share so gonna try and slip that fix in and see. Sep 20 20:31:58 ha Sep 20 20:32:08 it doesn't seem to matter if there's a dashboard up or not, i can get it to happen when there's no dashboard Sep 20 20:32:15 my todo is "TODO.txt" in my app docs folder. :) Sep 20 20:32:30 Hey, use what works for you. Sep 20 20:33:55 rwatkins: text selection work well? Sep 20 20:34:05 icon size seems irrelevant as well Sep 20 20:34:08 would you mind sharing your solution on webos101? Sep 20 20:34:15 Tibfib_: no issues so far. Sep 20 20:34:16 I know of the one css property Sep 20 20:34:55 the only somewhat confusing thing is it give the "copy" option - which is fine, but my app only uses whats selected - not whats on the clipboard. Sep 20 20:35:32 so -- you can copy, and paste into something else, but since anything can be in teh clipboard, I only use whats currently selected. Sep 20 20:36:08 thats really about it - set the CSS to allow selection. then then standard methods to get text selection, edit it, etc. Sep 20 20:36:37 Its adora pet feature, so I'm sure it will get some testing love. Sep 20 20:36:50 s/adora/adora's/ Sep 20 20:38:23 -webkit-user-select: text then window.getSelection(); Sep 20 20:38:26 adora gets what adora wants? Sep 20 20:38:49 rwatkins: what would the use of window.getSelection() be for? Sep 20 20:38:57 to get the content of the selection. Sep 20 20:38:58 doesn't it show the "copy" popup ? Sep 20 20:39:16 yes, but I want the contents of the selection, not the contents of the clipboard. Sep 20 20:39:24 right, why? Sep 20 20:39:37 this isn't a technical question. Just wondering why you would need that in your app Sep 20 20:39:38 because .. the clipboard could potentially contain something else - not the article content selected. Sep 20 20:39:52 say I copy a url for pasting into the "add url" dialog. Sep 20 20:40:13 I dont want to share that url, I want to share the text selected from the article - even if they dont hit 'copy' Sep 20 20:40:31 OH. you have a "share" button Sep 20 20:40:38 ah, yes. Sep 20 20:40:51 smart Sep 20 20:40:58 I can do that in nomnomnom Sep 20 20:41:00 so share today shares the article - title and url. now you can share just a quote from the article. Sep 20 20:41:05 oilsworkn: isn't that what stopped wirc from getting in the feeds for so long? Sep 20 20:41:14 "adora gets what adora wants" Sep 20 20:41:31 gonna know what side your bread is buttered on. Sep 20 20:42:21 wanting to get a release out before the next Pivot magazine. :) Sep 20 20:43:34 rwatkins: nice Sep 20 21:16:45 hi Sep 20 21:17:41 pls can somebody help with Mojo.Event.hold in list widget ? Sep 20 21:20:24 i previously considered it unethical to write a review on my own app, but it's ok for me to do that saying that it's currently not working, since i can't suspend it from the app catalog, right Sep 20 21:21:33 EricBlade: I would contact a dev relations person right away Sep 20 21:22:03 Tibfib_: other than via here and @adora i don't know who to contact? Sep 20 21:22:18 @dkirker I belive Sep 20 21:22:21 @webosdev Sep 20 21:22:23 twitter works well Sep 20 21:22:29 I can give you emails if you want Sep 20 21:25:14 lol.. i tried using a 256 icon to fix the icon problem, when i click on a banner, the whole OS locks up Sep 20 21:25:44 definitely a pointer problem Sep 20 21:26:00 probably be easiest to submit the update and have it escalated. Sep 20 21:26:19 oh gosh society fails. "Used to be Instagram. Now its Instagram 2.0. Next its going to be Instagram acoustic & Instagram remixes. LOL :D" Sep 20 21:26:25 "Instagram 2.0, Stride 2.0. Is it just me or is everyone stealing Justin's 2.0 idea?" Sep 20 21:26:50 justin bieber did not start versioning. Sep 20 21:27:04 Tibfib_: no, he totally did Sep 20 21:27:06 Tibfib_: yeah i had an update in the pipeline, i had to request rejection on it so that i could put a new update in with the fix for it, and it's taking forever for that to get approved too Sep 20 21:27:21 EricBlade: escalate it via twitter/email Sep 20 21:28:02 sadly twitter is often more effective than email Sep 20 21:28:08 whining always seems to work. Sep 20 21:30:40 so getting my macbook tomorrow Sep 20 21:30:44 :) Sep 20 21:30:45 Tibfib_: it's all this JustinBieberWeb2.0 stuff that makes Twitter more effective than email Sep 20 21:30:53 haha Sep 20 21:31:07 still haven't decided between 13" air or 15" pro Sep 20 21:31:21 air Sep 20 21:31:27 YOU ACT LIKE YOU HAVE A CHOICE Sep 20 21:31:39 I went to best buy and of COURSE they didn't have a 13" air on display Sep 20 21:31:44 they had a 13" pro Sep 20 21:31:48 and I really liked the size actually Sep 20 21:31:54 didn't like the 11" air though. Sep 20 21:31:54 there is this little thing called an apple store Sep 20 21:32:08 lol. not in manhattan Sep 20 21:32:13 *ahem* kansas Sep 20 21:32:33 heh Sep 20 21:32:36 if I were going to get a new mac, I'd probably get an 11" MBA Sep 20 21:32:47 Tibfib_: wait... KU? Sep 20 21:32:56 summatusmentis: KSU Sep 20 21:32:58 big difference Sep 20 21:33:08 oh right... do you know a Landon Fowles? Sep 20 21:33:09 I looked at the 11" airs, but the 13" fits me much better. slightly bigger screen, faster, and bigger ssd Sep 20 21:33:19 summatusmentis: hmmm, maybe Sep 20 21:33:36 17". Sep 20 21:33:40 I only know him through GSoC Sep 20 21:33:55 summatusmentis: looks like I have one mutual friend on facebook Sep 20 21:34:06 is it me?!? Sep 20 21:34:09 so yes, I know him very well Sep 20 21:34:22 with one of these http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC914 Sep 20 21:34:22 oh wait, I would never be friends with you on FB, what was I thinking :-P Sep 20 21:34:39 heh, I save facebook for my real friends ;) Sep 20 21:34:46 rwatkins: goodness no Sep 20 21:34:59 if it had a gpu built in, possibly Sep 20 21:36:05 for some wonderful reason, my app payment was about 200-300 more than I had calculated from the sales reports Sep 20 21:36:14 MBP has a decent GPU to drive it. Sep 20 21:36:34 right Sep 20 21:36:47 I would be more likely to get the display with a 13" air than a 17" pro Sep 20 21:36:57 but MBA is so flipping skinny Sep 20 21:37:06 more. screen. realestate. Sep 20 21:37:07 it fits in a manila envelope! Sep 20 21:37:45 big editor window, chrome open, chrome debugger open and emulator open! Sep 20 21:38:33 right now I'm sitting at 1920x1200 + 2 x 1600x1200 plus a TP with antoehr 1024x768. :) Sep 20 21:38:50 its all about the number of pixels Sep 20 21:38:55 so.... do you just wear sunglasses all the time? Sep 20 21:39:02 from all that backlight in your face? Sep 20 21:39:37 heh, your face probably glows in the dark Sep 20 21:39:42 i just say "window -> tile" none of this hidden window nonsense. :) Sep 20 21:40:15 oh boy google + is open to all now. Sep 20 21:40:45 I wish I could get a cheap wp7 device Sep 20 21:41:03 I'm weary of entering a new contract Sep 20 21:41:24 I'd like to see a wp7 device with a decent keyboard Sep 20 21:41:30 the one sprint has is pretty mediocre Sep 20 21:41:37 dell venue pro seems to be decent Sep 20 21:41:53 seems the majority of the issues were firmware/software related Sep 20 21:42:11 Tibfib_: ebay! Sep 20 21:42:13 which have been fixed Sep 20 21:42:30 but then you have to use a dell phone Sep 20 21:42:37 lol Sep 20 21:42:40 which just feels wrong Sep 20 21:42:46 the Samsung Focus is the best all round one I've played with Sep 20 21:42:50 summatusmentis: yeah, that's a tough one Sep 20 21:42:50 it's like those Dell DJ things they used to sell Sep 20 21:43:12 * halfhalo has samsung focus for media Sep 20 21:43:21 AND I actually saw another one in the wild! Sep 20 21:43:39 heh Sep 20 21:43:43 the issue I have with wp7 is the same issue I have with iOS/android Sep 20 21:43:52 I saw someone using one at a bar.. it was surreal Sep 20 21:43:53 single app focus, no easy way to tell what else is running Sep 20 21:43:54 $260 is best buy it now price Sep 20 21:44:01 halfhalo: like it? Sep 20 21:44:33 meh. I tried using it as a main phone, but I couldn't. WebOS spoils you to much Sep 20 21:44:34 $200 for samsung focus Sep 20 21:44:35 not bad Sep 20 21:44:39 halfhalo: this. Sep 20 21:44:40 :/ Sep 20 21:44:42 that's what I'm afraid of Sep 20 21:44:46 pre3 Sep 20 21:44:48 boom Sep 20 21:44:48 I need newsroom wherever I go Sep 20 21:44:49 done Sep 20 21:44:54 halfhalo: GIVE ME ONE Sep 20 21:44:56 Tibfib_: you're never going to like anything the same way Sep 20 21:45:02 I can't afford one Sep 20 21:45:07 GIVE ME ONE Sep 20 21:45:13 I've been seriously considering trying to get one Sep 20 21:45:21 although, I am pretty dang tired of webOS 2.X's buggyness Sep 20 21:45:23 * halfhalo has yet to pick one up Sep 20 21:45:25 is 2.2 better? Sep 20 21:45:34 I'm also not on gsm, so it'd be mostly useless Sep 20 21:45:46 gsm ftw Sep 20 21:45:51 I hate at&t. but gsm ftw. Sep 20 21:45:53 gsm is ftw Sep 20 21:45:58 although i need a new sim card Sep 20 21:46:00 indeded Sep 20 21:46:03 for the purty icon Sep 20 21:47:00 I'm seriously considering switching, but like... the service around here apparently just isn't as good Sep 20 21:47:35 hmmmmmmm 200 for a WP7 device is not bad Sep 20 21:47:36 lol Sep 20 21:47:50 summatusmentis: that's at&t for you. Sep 20 21:48:05 especially considering I got more money from app payments than I was expecting Sep 20 21:48:14 I'm happy with Att. they have service. unlike sprint. Sep 20 21:48:25 Tibfib_ use it to buy uk pre 3! Sep 20 21:48:26 sprint has pretty decent service around here Sep 20 21:48:37 at&t apparently doesn't Sep 20 21:48:49 well luckily I don't make calls.. so my carrier is unimportant Sep 20 21:49:13 thats assuming your carriers data network in your city doenst suck. Sep 20 21:49:22 true Sep 20 21:49:24 data matters Sep 20 21:50:21 * Tibfib misses engadget review scores Sep 20 21:50:28 lol Sep 20 21:50:36 I mean, I sometimes make calls, I try not to, but I do Sep 20 21:50:50 * halfhalo thinks tibfib should suck it up and buy pre3 and be happy, instead of buying winphone and then bitching about it Sep 20 21:50:54 Tibfib: This is my Next has em :) Sep 20 21:51:08 akanster: but they don't go that far back Sep 20 21:51:14 oh Sep 20 21:51:17 yeah Sep 20 21:51:18 I prefer timn Sep 20 21:51:37 also, Vlad finally joined them! Sep 20 21:51:54 * Tibfib never had a good/bad opinion on vlad Sep 20 21:52:06 hey everyone Sep 20 21:52:18 halfhalo: how much will it cost? Sep 20 21:52:20 he doesn't the UK-stuff-we'll-never-see-in-the-US reviews :) Sep 20 21:52:21 what's that about a skype on the app catalog for some phones??? Sep 20 21:52:24 does* Sep 20 21:52:25 and where would I even get it from? Sep 20 21:52:36 NuttyBunny: for pre3 I think Sep 20 21:52:38 NuttyBunny: seems to be pre3 only Sep 20 21:52:40 from what I can tell Sep 20 21:53:02 mm... Sep 20 21:53:02 Tibfib: just JustinBieberTweet about it, someone will probably be able to point you to a place Sep 20 21:53:18 * NuttyBunny cries Sep 20 21:53:25 summatusmentis: :hfive: Sep 20 21:54:06 rwhitby, oil: ping Sep 20 21:54:51 you know, I don't have much of a desire for a pre3 to be honest. Sep 20 21:54:58 I did. before it was DOA Sep 20 21:55:05 I want updates. I want improvements. Sep 20 21:56:10 that I can get behind Sep 20 21:57:35 is there a wp7 channel on freenode? Sep 20 21:58:18 http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/20/hands-on-with-hps-unreleased-white-touchpad-and-pre-3-for-atandt/ Sep 20 21:59:23 I really like the phrase "faux-G" Sep 20 22:00:44 that white TP looks sweet Sep 20 22:01:26 white is nice, but the first thing I'm likely to do is put it in a black case to keep it from getting messed up. Sep 20 22:01:47 heh Sep 20 22:13:19 hmm. where would i report bugs in webos itself ? Sep 20 22:14:09 got a webOSombie sticker for my TP and pre3! Sep 20 22:15:07 perfectly stting atop of the HP logo Sep 20 22:15:28 if you (accidentally or on purpose) hold down the volume up or down buttons on the bluetooth keyboard for more than half a second or so, you have to reboot your touchpad to recover from the continuous beeping Sep 20 22:15:45 how can I change the palm profile associated with my device ? Sep 20 22:24:46 anyone knows if there is a way to change profile? I can't find anything about that on the web, except one person who had to make a "full reset" of the device Sep 20 22:28:31 EricBlade : ever solve your app problem? Sep 20 22:28:33 Tibfib:? Sep 20 22:28:36 back from work Sep 20 22:28:53 oil: nnnnnevvvvvvvvverrrrmind Sep 20 22:29:07 lol Sep 20 22:30:20 siestacatontp: google made an inadvertent change that broke processing of some data. i've notified hp and google of the various problems, and are trying to get that resolved on both ends Sep 20 22:30:54 ok, so I shouldn't purchase yet? Sep 20 22:31:16 i wouldn't recommend it Sep 20 22:33:01 working in non-enyo framworks a bunch now - but constantly type 'this.log()' all. the. time. Sep 20 22:33:11 *sigh* Sep 20 22:33:50 console.log==win Sep 20 22:34:21 this.log so much better as is shows where it was called - got that burned into my brain working in enyo. hard to unlearn. Sep 20 22:39:43 * Tibfib always uses console.log Sep 20 22:41:23 tree.log() Sep 20 22:41:55 <3 this.log() Sep 20 22:42:40 well console.log will give the line number Sep 20 22:42:42 so it works out Sep 20 22:42:55 doesnt this.log use console.log when in chromes? Sep 20 22:43:35 hey Sep 20 22:43:37 guys Sep 20 22:43:44 quick question Sep 20 22:43:49 its way ot Sep 20 22:44:23 I'm 22, yet google plus says I have to be over 18 to use google plus Sep 20 22:44:28 oil: yes, but you get the kind and method from which that log was invoked. Sep 20 22:44:36 any circumvents I scan attempt? Sep 20 22:44:37 most of the time Sep 20 22:44:37 by default. Sep 20 22:45:02 rwatkins: i know, i use this.log over console.log because of that Sep 20 22:45:21 but this.log just calls console.log with that added info when in chrome Sep 20 22:45:26 interesting Sep 20 22:45:29 right Sep 20 22:45:33 i dont remember console.log alone working on-device Sep 20 22:45:39 well looks like I won't be using enyo in the future.... Sep 20 22:45:43 oil: I RARELY debug on device Sep 20 22:45:44 whyfor? Sep 20 22:45:46 oil: it does Sep 20 22:46:01 oil: working on other stuff Sep 20 22:46:21 oil: it does - I use it from non-enyo objects. Sep 20 22:46:38 hm Sep 20 22:47:26 oil: it works Sep 20 22:47:37 but console.log("hi", variable, variable) doesn't work Sep 20 22:47:43 see, gay Sep 20 22:47:49 console.log("hi " + variable) does Sep 20 22:47:59 oil: right, I rarely debug on device Sep 20 22:48:00 other way is one less space Sep 20 22:48:14 Tibfib: try to debug a hybrid in chrome :( Sep 20 22:48:20 :'( Sep 20 22:48:32 I'm so sorry Sep 20 22:48:35 lol Sep 20 22:48:50 sometimes i fake inputs from the plugin so i can test other things in chrome Sep 20 22:52:01 * oil waits for ups guy to deliver monitor Sep 20 22:52:49 oil: nice, what size? Sep 20 22:53:04 28 Sep 20 22:53:09 niceeee Sep 20 22:53:34 getting returned after warranty repair Sep 20 22:53:47 broke 1 month inside warranty :) Sep 20 22:53:54 that's both good and bad Sep 20 22:53:56 (1 month before it ended that is) Sep 20 22:54:14 yeah, it was cheap, i wasn't expecting it to last Sep 20 22:54:17 hanns-g Sep 20 22:54:26 hopefully it means you used up the bad karma of it breaking within warranty Sep 20 22:54:44 hmmmm Sep 20 22:54:53 the one i had before this one went out just outside the warranty Sep 20 22:54:58 same monitor Sep 20 22:55:04 so i knew it was coming Sep 20 22:55:18 lol Sep 20 22:55:20 this --> hopefully it means you used up the bad karma within warranty so once it is out of warranty it'll work well Sep 20 22:55:28 no Sep 20 22:55:34 it will probably break in another 2 years Sep 20 22:56:10 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sep 20 22:56:13 okay bbbbbbbl Sep 20 22:59:16 huh Sep 20 22:59:26 er oh my desktop prolly hah Sep 20 23:02:59 got my dell 2001FPs like ... 7+ yrs ago? both still perfect. Sep 20 23:08:26 ohh Sep 20 23:08:41 lies Sep 20 23:10:25 rwatkins: yeah, i got 2 19inch xerox displays that I've had for like 8 years Sep 20 23:10:33 they're what im using right now :) Sep 20 23:10:40 for the 28 inch, i get what i pay for Sep 20 23:10:44 which is not much Sep 20 23:10:56 or is it... Sep 20 23:11:05 nice thing about the older ones is they're 4x3 Sep 20 23:11:11 harder to find those now Sep 20 23:12:47 yeah, these 19s are 4:3 Sep 20 23:12:55 they've got a plate of glass over the screen, too Sep 20 23:33:10 re: banner icon problems, the Facebook synergy plugin is popping up with the GVoice icon now Sep 20 23:36:46 hello peopleeee Sep 20 23:39:02 hi eighthree Sep 20 23:39:22 wow. 500+ Sep 20 23:39:37 oh my palm.. you still haven't rested sir wrea Sep 20 23:39:50 500+ what fx Sep 20 23:40:03 layoffs.. Sep 20 23:40:31 oh. yeah. wtf is palm thinking. Sep 20 23:40:32 err HP Sep 20 23:40:42 "It takes years to build a great company. And it only takes one Apotheker shot at the good place to kill it in a matter of days :-(" Sep 20 23:41:03 Yeah. major disappointed.. Sep 20 23:42:21 its like. they are intoxicated by their pc sales that when touchpad wasn't doing what they normally expect sales wise from their other device they wimped out Sep 20 23:43:06 they just fired half of what made webos webos. Sep 20 23:43:52 was it a division or like just bits of every Sep 20 23:44:13 it was the hardware part of webos, sadly Sep 20 23:44:26 apple, google or m$ Sep 20 23:44:39 fxspec06: you realise you're spreading misinformation, right? Sep 20 23:44:47 is prolly gonna nab them Sep 20 23:45:38 rwhitby: which part? the 500+? Sep 20 23:45:50 fxspec06: SW team is untouched Sep 20 23:46:01 HW != webOS Sep 20 23:46:21 okay i see the difference. Sep 20 23:50:08 the only way this can ever be a good thing (for 'webos' only, not these people's lives) is if there is a hardware partner lined up. which there is no evidence of whatsoever. Sep 20 23:51:07 ah HW... Sep 20 23:51:10 man i hate it when 500+ people lose their jobs. i mean it's never a good time to lose your job, but this economy is horrible. i'll stop the topic right there also. Sep 20 23:51:51 well it does sort of put the final nail in the idea that maybe hp will recant. Sep 20 23:52:04 last few words is: i love all my current webos hardware. and i thank the people responsible for building it. <3 portrait slider, and <3 the keyboards... Sep 20 23:55:00 hi ericblade Sep 20 23:55:38 agreed fxspec06 Sep 20 23:56:16 I like where the power button is as well, the gesture area and the curves where you can see it Sep 20 23:56:24 heeheh muesli yum Sep 20 23:57:29 when does the app catalogue update? Sep 20 23:57:48 i usually see things change on it a few times a day Sep 20 23:57:49 my pre 2 is especially great. nary a problem. some scuffs around the rubber around the edges..... which is absoultely perfect if you ask me. Sep 20 23:57:54 haven't seen anything today or yesterday Sep 20 23:58:34 OH yay the ubuntu chroot can start apps in seperate cards now. hope that doesn't suck the hell out of the memory Sep 21 00:00:03 fxspec06 : yay! never seen a Pre 2 sadly... Sep 21 00:00:23 eighthree: i can take a picture for you! Sep 21 00:00:41 sure! :) Sep 21 00:00:55 how is the photo quality of the pics it takes? Sep 21 00:00:59 or video Sep 21 00:01:21 same as pre? Sep 21 00:01:35 photo quality is just fine for a portable phone. better than pre. 5mp oil, pre was 3mp Sep 21 00:02:03 i took a vid at my friend's mom's wedding, of my friend, of him singing sweet caroline over the mic, and it came out just fine Sep 21 00:02:28 does it have AF? Sep 21 00:02:32 "it does the job" is what i would say. Sep 21 00:02:38 only pre3 has AF Sep 21 00:03:19 EricBlade: we started 30 xterms in separate cards before getting a TMC on the touchpad Sep 21 00:03:22 the Pre3 Autofocus makes a sound... Sep 21 00:04:00 I wonder what is different between it and say an android Sep 21 00:04:06 EricBlade: of course as soon as someone works out how to do multiple cards with a single X server, we'll move to using that. but there is no work happening on that as far as I know. Sep 21 00:04:07 yeah Xserver isn't exactly a heavyweight thing Sep 21 00:04:45 * rwhitby always prefers 1 inefficient thing that works over 10 efficient things which don't work ... Sep 21 00:07:40 that reminds me, the other day, i saw some X display server thing that was built for connecting the displays of several machines together. i need to find that Sep 21 00:08:23 synergy2? Sep 21 00:08:30 (.sf.net) Sep 21 00:09:58 i thought i had bookmarked it for later research but i can't find anything amongst my thousands of bookmarks. blah. Sep 21 00:10:37 no, this was an actual x server that would let you run a single desktop across multiple machines Sep 21 00:18:49 back.. fell asleep on the train LOL Xp Sep 21 00:19:05 miss your stop? Sep 21 00:19:39 now if only i had some X apps hat i wanted to run besides chrome Sep 21 00:19:39 omg new phone Sep 21 00:19:40 nope.. I go from the end to start Sep 21 00:19:45 this pre2 is _slick_ Sep 21 00:19:50 after taking a ferry and bus Sep 21 00:20:09 another bus after this train... Sep 21 00:20:13 freakin suburbia :( Sep 21 00:20:33 how long is your commute? (time/distance) Sep 21 00:20:35 fx I didn't see your phones pics!!! Sep 21 00:20:53 1.45 h.mm Sep 21 00:21:37 50km across 4 cities :p Sep 21 00:21:47 grats summatusmentis :D Sep 21 00:23:02 im eating a piece of my bday apple pie Sep 21 00:23:09 eighthree: I'm excited :) Sep 21 00:23:26 oooh happy birthday to youuuuuuu Sep 21 00:23:38 *birthday beats* jk jk Sep 21 00:24:04 summatusmentis: setting it up now? :D? Sep 21 00:24:43 Wish I had a Pre 2 Sep 21 00:24:49 thank you =) i'll have to celebrate this weekend. Sep 21 00:25:00 or my damn veer Sep 21 00:25:16 wrea: what I thought you had at least that one Sep 21 00:25:22 fx: yay!! how old now? Sep 21 00:25:38 :( sry wrea Sep 21 00:25:53 Had to send in the veer after i got it Sep 21 00:26:02 ugh still rejection pending :( Sep 21 00:26:05 and hp/palm support blew it Sep 21 00:26:18 I'm on my veer right now... idk if I want to ever replace this as my commuter phone.. no one can read my screen Sep 21 00:26:19 i'm 9 Sep 21 00:26:21 =) Sep 21 00:26:33 ericblade: rejection?? Sep 21 00:26:58 yeah i had to request rejection on an update to send a new one Sep 21 00:27:19 fx: happy 9th birthdaaaay! you can't eat all of that pie at your age .. that's why you have to give it all to me kthnx, Sep 21 00:27:41 50km... 30mi. 1:45... Sep 21 00:27:50 ericblade: wow.. how long does it take.. a week Sep 21 00:27:54 that's not too bad, but the transfers is more killer Sep 21 00:27:59 here's a pic of a pre 2. it's the one i got originally, and traded for the vzw one: http://i.imgur.com/g0EUT.jpg (p.s. i'm really 23) Sep 21 00:28:03 dwc-: longer by car Sep 21 00:28:44 * halfhalo hearts 15min commute Sep 21 00:28:56 hot pic fx :)) Sep 21 00:29:12 * dwc- commutes ~1.5hrs ~18 mi Sep 21 00:29:21 eighthree: already done :) Sep 21 00:29:43 * halfhalo 's soon to be expanded phone collection http://yfrog.com/kfrogesj Sep 21 00:30:05 upside down... Sep 21 00:30:21 yeah... i blame ms. Sep 21 00:30:38 oh hey, and if you flip it and then zoom, it un-flips it Sep 21 00:30:42 wow dwc- ... mine cuts through the cities... Sep 21 00:30:45 wow dude wth. you're going to make me download an image and manually flip it myself Sep 21 00:31:08 eighthree: one or two transfers... but the transfer is not so great Sep 21 00:31:26 if you're gonna hold me at gunpoint, at least take my money -.- Sep 21 00:31:38 * dwc- takes fxspec06's phones instead Sep 21 00:32:14 ahaha Sep 21 00:32:26 where are you from wrea? Sep 21 00:32:27 i only have two =( well only a pre and pre 2. i mean i have a few dumbphones as well Sep 21 00:32:43 washington state Sep 21 00:33:02 halfhalo: is that an HP frisbee?!?!?! Sep 21 00:33:09 yes, yes it is. Sep 21 00:33:11 or an HP paper plate? Sep 21 00:33:12 I have.. 2 touchpads, 3 veers, 1 pre 3 ( was 2 but you guys didn't want one.. so ) Sep 21 00:33:19 * fxspec06 wants an HP frisbee! Sep 21 00:33:28 MINE Sep 21 00:33:39 * fxspec06 thinks HP should start selling HP frisbee's in replace of HP webos hardware -.- Sep 21 00:33:46 is it a frisbee or some paper signage Sep 21 00:33:50 actually make that webos frisbee's. Sep 21 00:34:08 wrea: used to take king county metro a lot :DDD Sep 21 00:34:12 its a nylon type giant frisbee Sep 21 00:34:22 wrea: I still have my orca pass Sep 21 00:34:46 you know what would be totally cool: you know the adora bobble head app? what if someone made webos bigheads Sep 21 00:34:46 oooh fancy Sep 21 00:34:48 fxspec06: After failing to advertise the frisbees, they'll spin it off into it's own company 4 months later and sell the remaining frisbes at a loss. Sep 21 00:35:01 akanster: lol Sep 21 00:35:11 rwhitby bobblehead Sep 21 00:35:18 no BIGHEAD. Sep 21 00:35:21 and become the #2 frisbee maker in the us at the same time Sep 21 00:35:48 then send mixed messages about it's future in the frisbee making business Sep 21 00:35:53 were any pre3s sold in us? Sep 21 00:35:53 i want webos people all over my walls. you know like the sports bigheads, you can get michael vick lifesize etc Sep 21 00:36:48 fxspec06: FATHEADS! Sep 21 00:36:48 they would still be the best frisbee's ever made. Sep 21 00:37:03 siestacatontp: not by HP, but plenty for sale on ebay Sep 21 00:37:11 siesta: not really... but there are bits of att pre3's being sold on ebay for like 700 Sep 21 00:37:17 YES! FATHEADS! Sep 21 00:37:23 aren't fatheads stickers though? Sep 21 00:37:36 rwhitby bobbleheads Sep 21 00:37:37 700? Sep 21 00:37:39 damn Sep 21 00:37:39 how did people acquire these AT&T Pre3s they are selling on ebay? Sep 21 00:37:43 I wish I had one Sep 21 00:37:47 stuck on a pixi Sep 21 00:37:49 lol Sep 21 00:38:06 yeah, they're stickers. that's fine. http://www.fathead.com/ Sep 21 00:38:08 akanster: through microsoft... jk.. idk.... Sep 21 00:38:19 i'd buy some webOS hero action figures though! Sep 21 00:38:28 fxspec06: can these be customised lol Sep 21 00:38:37 fxspec06: what would be the super powers Sep 21 00:39:26 what about pre2s? Sep 21 00:39:32 any pennies for sale? Sep 21 00:39:35 rwhitby: have you considered going into the action figure business? Sep 21 00:39:39 of those* Sep 21 00:39:56 hey rwhitby have you gotten any att pre3's yet Sep 21 00:40:20 anyone selling cdma pre2s? Sep 21 00:40:42 I need one Sep 21 00:41:02 how do cdma phones work when you switch devices.. Sep 21 00:41:16 CDMA pre2 Sep 21 00:41:19 I need one Sep 21 00:41:28 ebay has plenty siestacatontp Sep 21 00:41:40 how much Sep 21 00:42:30 * halfhalo is about | | close to busting out lgmtfy Sep 21 00:42:47 heheh halfhalo Sep 21 00:42:58 ~150 is a good deal i'd say. if you use your head to think about it. Sep 21 00:43:19 eighthree: you call VZW/Sprint and read them the ESN of the phone you want to switch to Sep 21 00:43:22 do you need to unlock them Sep 21 00:43:49 akanster: interesting..and weird :-p!! Sep 21 00:44:13 $150?1! Sep 21 00:44:15 oh, and make sure the person that used the phone last doesn't have any outstanding debts or they will refuse the request Sep 21 00:44:18 eighthree: you dial *228, hit opt 2,type the # you want to activate the phone w/, type billing account password, and VOIALA it's done. Sep 21 00:44:49 yep. it has to be clean. MSN. Sep 21 00:44:54 my touchpad was 150 Sep 21 00:44:58 PARTY!! Sep 21 00:45:10 fxspec06: you can do it electronically now? Sep 21 00:45:10 well that sucks akanster Sep 21 00:45:13 "pah-atay" Sep 21 00:45:21 sticking with my pixi Sep 21 00:45:23 siestacatontp what? Sep 21 00:45:29 akanster: since like 2003 or so Sep 21 00:45:33 akanster: i've been activating phones on verizon over the air w/o talking to anyone for years now Sep 21 00:45:34 well damn Sep 21 00:45:37 vzw and sprint will let you change esn from their websites as well Sep 21 00:45:45 eightthree pre is as much as tp Sep 21 00:45:55 I'm using pageplus Sep 21 00:46:02 ooh the more you know rainbow Sep 21 00:46:09 page plus? Sep 21 00:46:13 yes Sep 21 00:46:18 * halfhalo is off to class. good times... Sep 21 00:46:19 Verizon reseller Sep 21 00:46:25 amazing sercixe Sep 21 00:46:26 halfhalo: no sleeping! Sep 21 00:46:26 well.. touchpad is still 300 hardware cost wise Sep 21 00:46:33 very cheap Sep 21 00:46:34 cheers halfhalo!! have fun Sep 21 00:48:12 is it possible for a touchstone like surface that is like the size of a desk.. and charge multiple devices at once? Sep 21 00:49:07 things i hate about webos: why does most every app use icons for various actions, that don't actually indicate anything about what those things do? Sep 21 00:49:08 ooh white Pre3 and touchpad pix Sep 21 00:49:11 on engadget Sep 21 00:49:36 ericblade: giveth examples Sep 21 00:50:04 later halfhalo, remember to work hard and get those a's Sep 21 00:50:06 err touchpad* Sep 21 00:50:38 like, in mail, how do arrows pointing backwards become "reply"? Sep 21 00:51:29 yeah Sep 21 00:51:35 a box sitting on top of another box in facebook is apparently a file transfer Sep 21 00:51:37 that posses me off Sep 21 00:51:41 pisses* Sep 21 00:51:48 idk but I knew what it meant without much thought Sep 21 00:51:52 the "pin" icon that looks like a rubbert stamp, is "check in" .. Sep 21 00:52:02 eighthree: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gU_FUjrs1wo/TUD8JKtkKbI/AAAAAAAAEk4/6nZgzwwWBmA/s1600/HowToChargeiPhone4.jpg - like this? Sep 21 00:52:13 eighthree: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/299941-there-any-way-get-rod-whitby-pre-3-a.html ;) Sep 21 00:52:18 then again.. I'm a ux designer := Sep 21 00:52:21 :p Sep 21 00:52:38 EricBlade: arrows pointing backwards has been 'reply' since the beginning of email history Sep 21 00:53:30 white touchpad is so sexy with the not so visible fingerprints Sep 21 00:54:58 I'd rather just use silly looking pushbuttons, than icons that don't make sense. Sep 21 00:55:37 EricBlade: those icons are universal Sep 21 00:55:42 lol rwhitby that post had chest hair removal offers rofll Sep 21 00:56:22 ericblade: there must be some book to read that has universal icon definitions.. personally.. haven't encountered any icons I didn't understand Sep 21 00:56:34 http://cdn.freedownloadaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/iscribe.png Sep 21 00:56:49 i mean, that program has got to be pretty old... Sep 21 00:57:45 that engadget post with the att pre3 is so depressing :( Sep 21 00:57:45 i don't know. i've never used anything with pretty gui button pictures. Sep 21 00:57:45 the aborted phonepix Sep 21 00:59:43 cli mastah! Sep 21 01:01:45 you know what. if hp released some of the new touchpads with white casing.. even if they increased the price .. I bet people would still buy it Sep 21 01:04:02 especially if they put a picture of a fruit on the back, and increased the price again by around $700 Sep 21 01:04:35 looolll Sep 21 01:09:07 I'm home brb :p Sep 21 01:35:50 oooh touch-to-share Sep 21 01:37:25 Xuzz: installed Hello! yet? Sep 21 01:38:17 rwhitby: so far, only preware and Facebook Sep 21 01:47:11 i want a white touchpad, looks sexy Sep 21 01:52:33 DaDirtyPanda, can always paint yours Sep 21 02:07:40 Hey Adora! Sep 21 02:07:44 * CTLAdvance waves Sep 21 02:11:25 Adora: Are you still around? Sep 21 02:19:56 http://www.ebay.com/itm/330607734672 Sep 21 02:22:08 $800. screw that. Sep 21 02:24:26 lol... its not 4g either Sep 21 02:24:36 did you see them show it on engadget Sep 21 02:25:04 I am curious as to why they couldnt show the software... maybe it was a printer configured build ;) Sep 21 02:26:21 http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/20/hands-on-with-hps-unreleased-white-touchpad-and-pre-3-for-atandt/ Sep 21 02:33:19 http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20109152-75/microsoft-employees-phone-tweet-leads-to-ouster/ Sep 21 02:33:20 hah Sep 21 02:41:23 I like how they're calling everything FauxG Sep 21 02:43:14 You know what? I've spent a lot of time researching Windows Phone 7 the past couple days, and it really is a sorry-ass platform. Sep 21 02:43:27 Your joking? Sep 21 02:43:34 webOS is miles ahead both in terms of completeness of the OS and the staggering homebrew community Sep 21 02:43:35 no Sep 21 02:43:40 not in the slightest Sep 21 02:44:11 homebrew community maybe, nowhere near as close in completeness... and mango puts WP7 miles ahead Sep 21 02:44:18 hell it even brings in cards Sep 21 02:44:26 where's my file manager? Sep 21 02:44:31 you clearly need to use them next to each other Sep 21 02:44:39 hmm last time I checked there isnt one in webOS Sep 21 02:44:52 is there? Sep 21 02:44:53 oh, really? search Internalz in the App Catalog Sep 21 02:44:57 there is. Sep 21 02:45:01 oh really Sep 21 02:45:03 it graduated Sep 21 02:45:04 Yes. Sep 21 02:45:09 It certainly did. Sep 21 02:45:16 well then... good point :) Sep 21 02:45:17 and you can still get the more powerful HB version Sep 21 02:45:37 filebrowser is my bare-minimum requirement for a smartphone Sep 21 02:46:09 if I can't access the file structure from the phone, then it's not a mobile computer replacement Sep 21 02:47:04 not for me, at least Sep 21 02:47:21 and that's really sad... because the only choice left then is Android Sep 21 02:47:26 really, really sad Sep 21 02:48:08 speaking of internalz Sep 21 02:48:14 well file manager is a moot arguement really, maybe not if you are hardcore, but everything else on WP7 is far more polished. Shall we begin to even discuss the core OS and how much more opt it is Sep 21 02:48:17 no lag Sep 21 02:48:22 1ghz single core Sep 21 02:48:24 no lag Sep 21 02:48:26 I was just noticing today that it seems to have more problems with (non-local) image links than letting the web browser deal with them Sep 21 02:48:31 Sound works without issue Sep 21 02:48:42 I get an X broken image instead on https:// links Sep 21 02:48:55 wondering if anyone else noticed the same, or if it's just me again Sep 21 02:50:49 Well apparently I didt know internals was in the catalog. so I am not sure :) Sep 21 02:50:51 Sound works without issue? uh, and you're claiming it doesn't on my Pre 2? Sep 21 02:51:05 Sound never worked right on any version of webOS Sep 21 02:51:09 lol Sep 21 02:51:11 okay Sep 21 02:51:32 then again I dont patch the hell out of my phones anymore so that could be the issue Sep 21 02:52:17 when I choose a phone for myself, I don't give a shit what general consumers want/will use/etc Sep 21 02:52:23 so I factor in homebrew Sep 21 02:52:37 my Pre 2 is as stable and as polished as can be Sep 21 02:52:45 Sure... thats fine. And I retract my offer on that as webOS wins that front Sep 21 02:52:49 or statement Sep 21 02:54:17 so as soon as Windows Phone gets its homebrew stuff together (which is more difficult considering unlike with webOS, MS doesn't like the homebrew community very much), I'll reconsider Sep 21 02:54:25 Listen, before I dropped webOS for IOS, I was using all 3 styles for a month, webOS is no where near IOS or WP7 compared to OS stability, ease of use. But if you truely like a workhorse, I guess thats why you have what you have Sep 21 02:54:32 Sure, you need more then they offer Sep 21 02:54:51 but the past few days of "Will I switch to Windows Phone?" research ends in a resounding "NO!" for now Sep 21 02:55:15 Yeah, it sounds like it, or IOS are not a good match for you Sep 21 02:55:22 And android is just a mess Sep 21 02:55:25 agreed Sep 21 02:55:28 I'd never go Android Sep 21 02:55:55 the thing is, the iOS homebrew community is excellent Sep 21 02:56:00 Even honey comb is garbage... Sep 21 02:56:19 shame Apple makes you feel like a damn convict for adding shit to iOS that they should have Sep 21 02:56:33 Yes and know, there are reasons for that Sep 21 02:56:49 yeah, I don't get the people who wanna downgrade from webOS 3.0.2 to Honeycomb Sep 21 02:56:50 IOS just works, you cant mess it up, its reliable, safe and secure Sep 21 02:57:01 <|Jason8|> you can't mess it up? Sep 21 02:57:04 honeycomb, I thought it was 2.3.5 Sep 21 02:57:05 <|Jason8|> ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Sep 21 02:57:15 <|Jason8|> ahahahahaha Sep 21 02:57:26 and that's where my needs are not met. "reliable, safe and secure" is boring Sep 21 02:57:29 useless Sep 21 02:57:33 constrained Sep 21 02:57:34 If you dont jailbreak it, you cant break IOS. Sep 21 02:57:38 its contained Sep 21 02:57:48 self contained... same approach WP7 has Sep 21 02:59:01 unless you are lucky enough to break it out of its walled garden through some exploit, like jailbreakme.com Sep 21 02:59:02 <|Jason8|> Bull. Sep 21 02:59:13 <|Jason8|> I deal with crazy assholes all the time that break iOS Sep 21 02:59:29 <|Jason8|> They open an app and it just crashes out back to the home screen Sep 21 02:59:40 ok, thats breaking IOS how? Sep 21 02:59:40 <|Jason8|> Camera is a big one. Sep 21 02:59:51 <|Jason8|> It's built-in OS functions **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 21 02:59:57 2011